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tim pool
Well, the debate was last night.
I thought it was entertaining.
And Trump got in a bunch of great zingers, but the political analysts started hooting and banging their heads on the table, screaming, Kamala Harris won!
They all high-fived each other.
They formed a circle of jerks and patted each other on the back.
That's how we keep it family friendly here.
Well, here's the news.
In a couple different panels, actually it's either undecided or Donald Trump won among undecided voters.
In fact, we have one viral clip from CNN where an undecided voter says, I just don't know if I can afford the risk of another Kamala Harris administration.
She did not explain what she's going to do.
This was Kamala Harris's to lose.
Trump was already gaining in the polls, he's already winning in Nate Silver's forecast model and in the prediction markets, and Kamala Harris needed an opportunity to tell the American people why she's different, and she didn't do it.
While she may have appeared more collected and more prepared, and that's what political analysts like, she didn't actually articulate anything.
So we're going to get into that, and we'll talk all about the debate, and oh man.
Springfield, Ohio, you poor, poor small town.
I mean, you're poor in the sense that we empathize with all of the migrants that are coming causing problems, but now you're gonna have 10,000 journalists.
And I don't know what's worse, 10,000 corporate press journalists descending on my city, or illegal immigrants who are hunting pets.
It's a tough decision.
It's hard to say.
So we're gonna talk about all that, my friends.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Dale Turner.
daniel turner
Yeah, it's good to be here.
Dale Turner, power of the future, all things energy, climate.
Fossil fuels, etc.
and debate and pets.
So I'm looking forward to talking about all those things.
tim pool
Dude, the stuff coming out of Ohio is nuts.
There's pictures of dead pigs.
The media keeps saying it's false.
We have locals on the ground who are like, I live here and I see cats getting eaten.
And it's just, okay.
So we'll talk about that.
Libby's hanging out.
libby emmons
I'm hanging out.
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm with the Postmillennial and humanevents.com.
Glad to be here.
tim pool
And you made it your, it's your birthday.
libby emmons
It's my birthday, so I made cupcakes, but everyone is too health-conscious to eat cupcakes.
daniel turner
I had one.
I may have a second.
unidentified
Was it good?
daniel turner
It was really good.
Really good.
libby emmons
Good cupcakes.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm going to have one.
They look amazing.
They look like they came from a professional bakery.
libby emmons
Well, it's a Nutella buttercream over a vanilla maple cupcake.
hannah claire brimelow
This is feeling very trad.
I'm getting lots of trad vibes right now.
libby emmons
I just really like, I like baking.
What can I say?
I like cooking.
tim pool
Do you want to tell that joke real quick?
That was so good.
libby emmons
Oh, I can tell you guys my son's knock-knock jokes, so he and his dad, they'll like sit around making jokes.
tim pool
So I'll ask you then, right?
libby emmons
Go for it.
tim pool
Knock-knock.
Wait, wait, are you supposed to say knock-knock?
daniel turner
Yes.
libby emmons
Do you want to do the punchline or do you want me to do the punchline?
tim pool
You do the punchline, so what do I say?
libby emmons
Okay, so knock-knock.
tim pool
Who's there?
libby emmons
Kamala Harris.
tim pool
Kamala Harris who?
libby emmons
I'm sorry, we're not taking questions right now.
tim pool
That's a good one.
I like that.
libby emmons
How old's your son?
unidentified
He's 14.
tim pool
That's clever.
That's a good one.
I was laughing.
unidentified
I like that.
That's a good joke.
hannah claire brimelow
I like that you said now he's just applying that punchline to everything, though.
libby emmons
He had a thing, too.
Then he was like, Mom, how many people from the Kamala Harris campaign does it take to screw in a light bulb?
And I said, I don't know how many.
And he said, I'm sorry, we're not taking questions right now.
It's like every joke, that's the punchline.
unidentified
You're about to get an angry letter from the Harris Walls campaign.
They should take some questions and we wouldn't joke about it.
hannah claire brimelow
It is crazy.
We have a full debate and she still hasn't taken questions.
I'm Hannah Kliff Rimmel.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
We have probably talked more on this air than Kamala has ever talked in her life.
It's crazy.
tim pool
All right, let's get into it.
We've got this from the Postmillennial.
Undecided voters support Trump after the debate, say Harris was vague on policy plans according to a Reuters survey.
This is fascinating.
Quote, I still don't know what she is for, said 61-year-old Mark Kadish, an entrepreneur from Florida.
There was no real meat and bones for her plans.
In the aftermath of Tuesday night's primetime debate, I love this.
I'll tell you my assessment.
undecided voters with six saying after the debate that they would vote for
Trump or were leaning towards supporting him. Three said the same for Harris and
one remained unsure. So we also have the story from the New York Times saying
pundits have said Harris won the debate undecided voters weren't so sure. I love
this. I'll tell you my assessment right I did it I did a morning show breakdown of
you know where I thought we were gonna be in this and my point there's this
great article where NYU gender swapped Trump and Hillary and then had a mock
debate where they had the characters the actors read lines and then asked the
audience who they thought won.
And everybody thought Trump won.
The argument was that people were sexist.
That's why they wouldn't vote for Hillary Clinton.
If you made Trump the woman, then people would vote for the man.
And wrong!
The audience hated the smarmy, snooty, know-it-all attitude of Hillary Clinton.
And that's all Kamala Harris brought.
Frank Luntz even pointed out that Kamala was winning on points, but she was losing on optics.
daniel turner
I'm gonna do it.
tim pool
Exactly.
The weird chin thing.
What was that?
hannah claire brimelow
When she's like this, she's like... The very intense pursing of the lips and shaking her head.
Very strange.
daniel turner
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Very difficult.
tim pool
I'm gonna tell you exactly what I think most undecided people heard the whole debate.
Kamala going... And Trump going...
And I'm explaining this to my friends because they're like, what happened with the debate?
Who won?
And I was like, look, man, if someone is undecided right now, they are not paying attention to politics.
So when Kamala Harris goes, Donald Trump's Project 2025 is going to invert the polarity on our tax system, and I'm going to go optimistic when I invert and go to the Federal Reserve.
And it's just like, I'm hearing words.
I don't know what that means or what you're offering.
So what do they see?
Kamala Harris comes off as condescending, snooty, and indifferent.
Her attitude did not convey urgency or passion.
Donald Trump was angry.
At times it's not good for him, but he conveyed someone who was frustrated and upset with the state of this country.
Now imagine, you're a run-of-the-mill dude, undecided, you don't care about politics, you just want to watch the game with your buddies, and you couldn't get the wings this time around, or better yet, It's Monday night football, and your buddies are like, hey, are we going to come over and watch the game?
It's like, dude, I got to do OT.
Man, I've been putting in extra hours because I got to make ends meet.
It's getting tough out there.
I'm like, oh, come on, man.
Now this guy's frustrated.
He's pissed off.
He worked over the weekend.
His wife came to him and said, we're not going to be able to pay the phone bill.
And he's like, I'll ask for an OT shift.
I'll see if I can pick something up.
And now he's pissed off.
Now he's like, I just wanted to hang out with my buddies once this week, once.
What does he see?
unidentified
Kamala Harris going, mm-hmm, well, it's not my problem.
tim pool
And then he sees Trump angry, saying, this country is being destroyed.
And he's just sitting there with his beer, squeezing it, going, yeah.
So I think Trump's, I think emotions matter more.
The pundits and the politicians, these are midwits.
And that doesn't mean they're stupid.
It means they're slightly above average.
They're sitting there going, that's right.
Kamala had a great line of attack.
Ooh, she got Trump angry.
And we're talking about undecided voters, people who aren't in politics and how they react to the emotion of the night.
daniel turner
Yeah, inside the Beltway crowd loved Kamala last night, but the debate is not for them, right?
They were going to be in the tank for Kamala regardless because they skew to the left.
But I agree with you in the sense that your average American has to be frustrated with the status quo, and they are frustrated with it.
And so what she presented, which were just platitudes, right?
I have a vision for an opportunity economy so that when we invest in the American dreams, That's just, it doesn't really fly.
hannah claire brimelow
A lot of this motion.
daniel turner
Yeah, it doesn't really fly.
So people are frustrated, like, why is everything, why is water so damn expensive, right?
Why is my bill so expensive?
libby emmons
Oh, I was at the movies the other day, and I spent, I paid $7.25 for a bottle of Dasani water.
tim pool
Wow, those are movie theaters.
libby emmons
Yeah, but $7, that's more than you pay, like, from a Central Park vendor.
daniel turner
That's twice a gallon of gas.
libby emmons
It's ridiculous.
It made me mad.
I didn't get anything else.
tim pool
It's eggs.
And I think Trump made these points.
He said, I think two or three times, why haven't you done it now?
That was his closing statement, which was great.
And he had the inflation might be up several points, but for some areas of the economy, it's 20%, it's 30%, it's 40%.
Rent is up something like, what is it?
Do you guys know what rent is up?
hannah claire brimelow
Rent's up, car insurance is up.
tim pool
They're up 20 to 50 percent.
hannah claire brimelow
Car insurance is up 26 percent.
libby emmons
Kamala Harris's plan to fix all of this is to institute price controls on all of these things, which would create its own problems for the entire supply and demand industry.
We'd end up with more supply chain problems.
If you tell people that they can't charge market rate for rents, Why are they going to invest in more properties?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, you can't say we have a housing crisis and then also not offer a reasonable solution.
I think the Harris Walz campaign missed the mark on what the objective of the debate was for them.
They maybe wanted to get under Trump's skin because they think if Trump looks like he's, you know, aggressive or, you know, if they feel the criticism the media always gives him is he rambles, right?
If they felt like they got one of those moments and they felt victorious.
But actually all the pollsters indicated that undecided voters repeatedly said, well, I don't really know what her policies are.
I don't really know her that well.
I don't really know what she's standing for.
I don't know what she's promising.
I mean, fair enough, considering she just sort of announced her policies on her website.
So yes, there are times when maybe she, you know, baited Trump with a crowd size comment.
But ultimately, Kamala Harris, if she was serious about winning undecided voters, would have gone into detail on her policies.
And she just didn't.
unidentified
Kamala.
tim pool
Kamala.
OK.
Have you noticed how they get really angry about that?
In the New York Times Sienna poll, it said C-O-M-M-A comma L-U-H in huge caps.
Like they're really mad.
hannah claire brimelow
They had to have the phonetic spelling out there.
It was fascinating.
libby emmons
One thing that I loved was that Jake Tapper actually pointed this out.
And he said, Vice President Harris began the debate by punting the first question on the
economy on the border.
Another vulnerable issue for Harris.
She also dodged when asked how she would break through the Israel-Hamas war stalemate.
OK, but how?
You know, that's Jake Tapper.
daniel turner
She's going to do it by by doing it, because when we work together to work together, historically, presidential debates... We're unburdened by what has been.
libby emmons
Yeah.
daniel turner
I know nothing is normal anymore, and I think Americans are longing for a sense of normalcy.
Presidential debates, there's normally been three, and they were always thematic.
There was a foreign policy one.
libby emmons
That's a really good point.
daniel turner
There was an economics one.
Last night, or the last two debates have been hodgepodge, everything.
Abortion, the border, foreign policy, and there is too many topics for one debate, but if there was a debate on The economy.
As you were saying, Libby, when she was talking about her plan, her plan, every one of her plans is money.
My small business plan, $50,000.
My housing plan, $25,000.
My family plan, $6,000.
My student loan plan, free student loan forgiveness.
An economic debate would say, where the hell are we getting all this money from, right?
unidentified
It's not a plan to give out money.
libby emmons
Why are we giving away all of this money?
What happened to working hard and figuring your stuff out so that you could take care of things?
People in my family, my cousins who are extremely intelligent, they went to schools that they could afford.
And then, you know, they didn't want to take out a bunch of student loans, so they figured it out.
You know, you save a lot of money for years and years and years to get a down payment on a house, you know?
I mean, you work really hard for that.
When I was a kid, my dad and my stepmom were trying to buy a home, and so she went back to work for a long time.
And like, I remember distinctly, all her money was going to the down payment.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
You know?
People do this when they're saving for retirement, right?
You save money, you work hard to get what you want, and if you have everything given to you, you don't really value it.
And this is something that the lefty billionaires know, and it's why they don't leave any money to their kids.
tim pool
We need to address the most important element of last night's debate.
the zingers. Donald Trump won all of them. Kamala Harris got none, and that's the only thing that
matters in my opinion. Now I'm being a bit facetious.
Obviously, there's sound bites that will come out of this debate that people will prop up. But
when it comes to the short attention span internet economy, do you think someone is going to
have success to get millions of views on a video of Kamala Harris going, well, let me answer that
question. But first, an opportunity It's like, next.
Or are they going to play the clip of Trump going, I'm talking, please remember that one.
daniel turner
They're eating your pets.
unidentified
Yep.
daniel turner
They're eating your pets.
unidentified
Or run, spot, run, four lines.
tim pool
Trump, in three seconds, gets a hilarious clip that is easy to go viral.
That makes Kamala look like she got beat.
I'm going to tell you, man, if the average person doesn't get politics and doesn't like the snooty, condescending, elitist attitude of someone like Kamala Harris, then they're going to want to roast.
And Donald Trump delivered.
To a young guy, let's say he's 26, 27, doesn't care for politics, he's gonna see a clip on Instagram and TikTok of Trump being, saying, she's got no place, or no, no, my favorite one is, maybe you can go wake up Joe Biden, he's probably sleeping, maybe he's spending time on the beach.
Saying things like that, you know that meme where it's all the black dudes and they're going, oh, and the guy's grabbing his face?
libby emmons
I like that meme.
It makes me laugh every time.
tim pool
That meme was applicable to Trump like five to seven times last night.
Kamala did not have one of those.
daniel turner
Yeah, well, she won the Inside the Beltway crowd, right?
Because it was the dignified, it was the, you know, she looked prepared, she looked rehearsed, etc.
But that's not who the voters are.
That's definitely not the undecided voters and at this point of a campaign, and I've worked on a couple of campaigns including presidentials, at this point the only purpose of the debate is to get people to vote.
Why am I going to get off my couch?
I think Jack Posobiec was the one who said, and I love this quote, the biggest threat to the right is the couch.
And I thought, absolutely.
Why am I getting up to go, despite early voting and all that, why am I going to get up?
So Kamala's problem right now is not Trump voters.
They're not flip-flopping.
No Trump voter is leaving Trump to go vote for her.
Her problem is, why do I want to vote for you, Kamala?
Why do I want to get off the couch and vote for you?
We know the enthusiasm behind Obama, right?
And that was legit.
People wanted to go vote for him.
We saw that in 2016.
I think a lot of people wanted to vote against Hillary as well, but there was enthusiasm to go vote.
Why do I want to vote in 2024?
Life sucks.
Everything is expensive.
The country is divided.
I'm tired.
You know, you just mentioned rent and car prices.
I can't afford anything.
Why the hell am I going to vote?
tim pool
So the people that are saying, It is a cope to say that Trump didn't win.
I will stress, especially if you watch my full morning show, Kamala seemed more prepared.
Trump was thrown off base and got angry in several moments.
But we're talking about what matters most.
And it's predicated upon why is it that when undecided voters are paneled, they either say no one or they say Trump?
That's the question.
So I'll tell you this.
The cope is when you go, no, Kamala won.
Kamala actually won.
Well, look, If you're a politico and you're watching and you expect some kind of decorum, sure, maybe Kamala won.
But Kamala won the same way Hillary Clinton won.
And I can pull all these up.
Here you go.
Let's see if I can pull these up.
Politico.
Hillary Clinton won the second debate.
October 2016.
I wonder how that worked out for her.
unidentified
538.
tim pool
Clinton won the debate, which means she'll likely gain in the polls.
If she doesn't, Trump could be tough to beat.
Nate Silver said that in 2016.
She clearly didn't win the debate.
She lost the election.
Miserably to a guy they all predicted could not win.
And so what happens is...
I think it's fair to give Kamala Harris, and I said this even before the debate started, she's going to do better than a lot of people think, and so I'm saying that now for the soundbites, because everybody's coming out saying he's going to mop the floor with her, but I think she'll do better.
Trump had an opportunity.
I do think he missed it.
I don't think he got a clear and decisive victory, but I think he wins out overall for a variety of reasons.
Kamala won political points.
She lost on the image.
Frank Lund said that.
If we're talking about the outcome, the outcome is clear.
Undecided voters are leaning towards Trump after this.
Let me see if I can pull up the CNN clip actually, we're on that for the next segment, where the woman says, I don't know, she didn't articulate her positions, I just can't risk that.
That right there.
hannah claire brimelow
This is the thing that she had to do.
She had to define who she was in more than just platitudes, and she failed.
I mean, all of the—so FiveThirtyEight, which I know you referenced before, has a podcast talking about the election, and all of the analysts pointed out that Hillary Clinton gained in the polls after every single one of the debates.
I don't remember anything she said from the 2016 cycle.
I do remember what Trump said.
I mean, famously, you'd be in jail, right?
Those were clear memories from the debate that voters carried forward, and I think, again, I don't think this was his best performance of all time.
I think that there were obviously some missteps, but generally he was able to land more specific criticisms than she was, and then she also missed the opportunity to find herself and sidestepped specific questions.
Like when she was asked about why didn't the Biden administration repeal the tariffs that Trump—you're critical of them, why didn't you do anything about it?
She just completely ignored the questions, and voters want specifics.
tim pool
Let's pull this up.
We've got this post from Charlie Kirk, undecided voter on CNN panel.
Let's play the video.
Here we go.
unidentified
I think it's important to remember that we are voting for the leader of our country and not who we like the most or who we want in our wedding party, but who is actually going to make our country better.
And we're in an incredibly unique situation where we've had both of the candidates in office before and we've gotten to see what they would do.
And when facts come to facts, my life was better when Trump was in office.
The economy was higher, inflation was lower.
Things were better overall, and now with Kamala's administration, things haven't been so fantastic.
And she's saying she can fix the problems that her administration has caused, but I just don't know if I can afford to take that risk.
Were you leaning towards the former president coming into the night?
Probably.
tim pool
And did you have a forum in 2016 or 2020?
unidentified
I did.
tim pool
Now I want to make sure we show this as well.
A tweet from Frank Luntz where he says the same panel said by an 8-4 margin that Kamala Harris won tonight's debate.
Now I've got questions about this.
I got no problem with criticizing Donald Trump's performance.
He got flustered.
He got angry.
And it's funny because I put that on Twitter and I get people saying, stop riding the fence, Tim.
It's either Trump is good or Trump is bad.
Shut up.
Donald Trump did some things that were good.
I think he won with emotion.
I don't think that he won the politics of it.
So here's my question with this panel and the sentiment.
Obviously, conservatives are going to share the CNN undecided voters saying, you know what?
I don't know.
Kamala just hasn't proven that she can she could do this.
What does it mean to win a debate?
When I watch this and I, as someone who's leaning towards Trump, say I think Kamala did well in terms of what decorum should be, I understand what the pundits are saying.
They think she won.
That's their attitude towards it.
Does that mean my vote has changed?
No.
When these people say Kamala won the debate, does it mean that they will now vote for her?
Or is it fair to say, I think Kamala won the debate because Trump got too angry and didn't give good answers.
That being said, Kamala also didn't explain any of her positions, so I don't know who I'm supposed to vote for.
When New York Times runs an article saying our panelists are undecided, they couldn't figure it out.
When Reuters runs a panel and says actually six out of ten said Donald Trump, it does not seem fair to say that the end result, the material victory, is in winning what a debate should be, but in whether or not you've convinced them to vote for you.
And saying Kamala won is not the same thing as saying, I will now vote for her.
daniel turner
That woman's voice is very shaky, and it's probably because she's on TV.
But she's also probably very nervous to state that position, because that's not the cool position, right?
The cool position is, I like Kamala, right?
So she's probably petrified to say, I can't believe I'm going to say this.
I'm probably going to get beat up for it.
But life was better under president Trump.
So kudos to her for being brave enough to do it.
And I think the average American, I think a lot of Americans, or maybe the majority
of Americans are going to express that same sentiment.
Yeah, I probably would rather have Kamala at my bridal party, but life was better
under Trump and I just have to go that way.
libby emmons
I'm sorry.
I would rather have Trump in my bridal party.
daniel turner
That's what she's saying.
That's what she's saying.
libby emmons
Her line was, who would you rather have in your... Kamala Harris seems like the same kind of girl that would push you into the locker, you know?
daniel turner
Well, Kamala does drink, though, and Trump doesn't.
So, I mean, if you want to have a party, I would rather... Trump doesn't need a drink to have a party.
libby emmons
He doesn't need a drink to have a party.
He has a good time anyway.
You know what I mean?
hannah claire brimelow
I get the sentiment of like, I like this sentiment of like, we are not actually voting for someone that we are going to hang out with.
We're voting for someone who's representing the country.
I think the myth of the, he seems like a person I could have a beer with is actually a disservice to voters.
There are lots of people who do jobs that I don't want to hang out with, but they're very good at what they do.
I'd be happy, like, you know, think of like a very intense defense attorney.
They might be really aggressive.
You may not want to invite them over for game night, but if you're in court, you want the person who's going to do the best job.
And I think that this fear that the candidate has to be someone everyone's really – I mean, Kamala Harris says this all the time.
I'm from the middle class.
I'm from the middle class because she's trying so desperately to connect with voters.
libby emmons
Yeah, but you saw where she grew up in Montreal, like in Westmount.
hannah claire brimelow
It's this beautiful Well, and also you're relatable by your personality, right?
Donald Trump does resonate with people even though he, you know, grew up fairly wealthy.
He obviously built this career.
People still feel like he is someone that they relate to, connect with.
I mean, look at all of the times that his poll numbers have surged after he has been elected.
People feel an emotional connection to him that the Harris-Walls campaign cannot create and they're never going to be able to.
daniel turner
Yeah.
Trump is a known quantity, right?
There's no one who doesn't know who he is, doesn't have strong opinions on him.
He's not going to move the needle on his own likability, favorability, electability.
That's set in stone.
I agree with what Tim was saying, that onus is on the vice president to drive up her electability.
How much did she do that?
She probably did it a little bit, but did she do it enough to overcome for the fact that eggs are $4 a dozen, and that meat is $8.95 a pound, and that my car insurance has gone up 25%?
So the onus is on her.
I do think, to simplistic terms, is it Trump's to lose?
I think she has more responsibility, and that was the advantage she had when it was Biden, because Biden was a known quantity.
People rejected him categorically.
So one of the things I think President Trump missed was I think he should have hit that a little more, right?
The woman who calls me a threat to democracy, who viciously calls me a threat to democracy, is standing here and not one person voted for her.
How'd you get here, Kamala?
Is there a threat to democracy that the Democrat Party threw away the votes of millions of people who voted for Joe Biden?
I'm the threat to democracy.
He should have almost made it comical.
I just think it's fascinating that I'm standing next to you.
Because no one voted for you, and yet here you are.
libby emmons
Well, the other thing, too, is the moderators really did not do Trump any favors.
They fact-checked Trump falsely on an abortion thing.
There are eight states that have absolutely no limits on abortion.
tim pool
They didn't fact-check any of Congress?
libby emmons
It didn't fact check any of her lies, and she had so many lies.
The Project 2025 lie, the Bloodbath lie, the Charlottesville lie.
She lied about January 6th.
She lied about his affiliation with Project 2025.
She lied about immigration.
She lied about Trump's plans for the economy.
At every step of the way, she lied.
They didn't fact-check her on that.
They didn't say anything about that.
And when they did fact-check Trump, they were wrong.
The bill that Chuck Schumer keeps trying to bring up to make abortion federally legislated has no limits on abortion.
It's in there at any point in the pregnancy for the life of the mother, including mental health, which could be anything.
tim pool
You know what I'd have done?
When Kamala said, she said, officers died on January 6th.
Any one of these lies was a perfect opportunity for Donald Trump.
When they say, Mr. Trump response, I just look at David and I'd say, do you want to fact check that?
And then it'd wait.
And it'd be like, what?
And it'd be like, you said you were fact checking in real time, so I don't want to interrupt you as you fact check her because... She's lying.
Yeah, so would you mind?
libby emmons
She just lied repeatedly.
tim pool
Would you mind?
And also, you know, and you could do that every time.
She says the bloodbath thing.
Trump could have just went, You guys are going to fact-check that?
You're not fact-checking that.
Is there a reason why you're not fact-checking that?
Okay, do you want me to say?
Okay, the bloodbath thing was economics.
I was talking about the auto industry.
Next question.
David, how do you pronounce the guy's name?
unidentified
Muir?
Muir.
tim pool
If he wanted to be in the debate, then Trump should have welcomed him back in the debate every step of the way.
I think he should have.
daniel turner
I think the greatest bias that David Muir showed last night was that if the roles had been reversed of the assassination attempt, and God hope it never happens to anybody, if it had been the Vice President or Joe Biden who almost got killed at an event, The opening line to Mr. Trump would have been, President Trump, six weeks ago your opponent was almost killed.
The political violence in this country nearly cost her her life.
Is there something you would like to say to her right now that she survived this assassination attempt?
And do you agree that we have reached a level of political violence that is unattainable?
And do you hold some responsibility?
That would have been the opening damn question!
hannah claire brimelow
A hundred percent.
daniel turner
To Trump.
unidentified
And they didn't even acknowledge it.
They would have blamed him for it.
hannah claire brimelow
He had to bring it up himself.
He was the one who had to bring up his own assassination attempt.
daniel turner
Didn't acknowledge it.
hannah claire brimelow
Which is crazy because the Joe Biden administration, the Biden-Harris administration, I know she wants to have her name attached or at least she used to, they talked about gun violence all the time.
And then suddenly they're sort of like, well, we're not going to talk about it.
Suddenly Kamala Harris is a gun owner.
Did you hear that one?
daniel turner
Yeah, what guns do you own?
hannah claire brimelow
Big twist!
daniel turner
What guns do you own?
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
daniel turner
I didn't know you were a gun owner.
hannah claire brimelow
Very non-specific answer.
daniel turner
That would have been my Trumpism also.
The vice president, you're a gun owner.
Wow, what guns do you own?
When did you buy them?
tim pool
Which one's your favorite?
unidentified
Which one?
daniel turner
Yeah, exactly.
How many magazine clips do you have?
Just use fake terms and catch her because they use fake terms.
Joe Biden would always say, this magazine clip has 45 rounds.
People are like, what the hell is he talking about?
unidentified
We just got so used to him not... Fully semi-automatic.
daniel turner
AR-style 15.
What, you mean it was long?
Right?
AR-style... AR-15 style gun.
tim pool
Yeah.
daniel turner
Oh, what does that mean?
tim pool
It's a semi-automatic rifle.
Are you saying it's a 5.56?
I don't know what you're trying to say with that.
hannah claire brimelow
I think voters knew Trump might get, you know, agitated, he might make some bold claims.
It's not surprising to them that he did that.
Kamala Harris sort of did nothing.
She did not define herself well enough.
And that's why so much of the media coverage afterward is actually like, well, she got Trump to do this.
Oh, well, well, she said this thing to Trump and here's how Trump reacted.
They're acting like she won, but she didn't define herself.
She did not set herself apart.
We don't really know what her policies are other than some fun labels, the opportunity economy, whatever.
And I think long term, that will hurt her, no matter what the polls say.
Like I pointed out before, Hillary Clinton supposedly won all the debates and surged in the polls and somehow lost the election, so... Well, let's jump to this story.
tim pool
During last night's debate, Donald Trump said that Joe Biden hates Kamala.
And then a day later, Joe Biden did this.
He put on a Trump hat.
It's a real photo.
CBS also says Biden wears Trump 2024 hat at Pennsylvania Fire Station to promote unity.
He didn't.
He literally just was handed a hat and put it on.
This is why I hate the machine state.
libby emmons
That's a disgusting headline, and it's a complete lie.
tim pool
It's an opinion.
libby emmons
He just was doing what he was.
And he's also just like, he's like, oh, I'm folksy.
Oh, they give me a hat.
I'll just put it on.
tim pool
Right.
And so this is what the media does.
Joe Biden will be up on stage, you know, and he'll be looking around and he'll go, you know, the economy, we got to, you know, economy.
And then you're just going, what?
But then the media writes in an impassioned speech, Joe Biden said the economy was a central focus of his administration.
It's like, no, he didn't.
He said it.
But then instead of quoting him, He has a stutter.
They write, they paraphrase and give you the idea of what they think he was saying.
Joe Biden put on a Trump hat.
That's the news.
There's nothing else.
I can tell you nothing else.
Joe Biden went to an event.
He was at a fire station.
Someone handed him a Trump hat.
He put it on.
Make up for your mind why he did it or what it means.
For the media to now run this and all these leftists are saying it's because he believes in national unity and he's a good guy.
No!
Who's handed it?
He put it on.
Maybe he didn't even know it said Trump on it.
hannah claire brimelow
He always calls Trump supporters MAGA extremists.
He obviously does not care about unity.
It's so much funnier to me that he didn't really, if you watch the video, he looks a little bit lost.
He puts it on.
And somewhere in the periphery of this video, you know, one of his handlers is like, no, don't do this.
tim pool
I'm going to say this because we're allowed to do it.
Biden wears Trump 2024 hat in endorsement of Trump's reelection.
daniel turner
Wow, he endorsed Trump.
That's great.
tim pool
I mean, if they can say to promote unity, then I can say to endorse Trump.
daniel turner
Why not?
Anything is game.
Anything is game.
I don't think he, you know, you look, he's confused.
I don't think he knew what he was doing.
As a politician, never wear a hat.
tim pool
After he did it, what happened was?
daniel turner
Don't eat, never wear a hat.
tim pool
White House press secretary said he's promoting bipartisan unity.
The media then says, okay, thank you for our talking point.
We'll say that.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, but why hasn't he been doing this for the past three years, right?
Like, he doesn't care about bipartisan unity at all.
I actually do feel like there is a little bit of resentment.
Not even a little bit.
I think there's a ton of resentment towards Kamala Harris.
In this moment, he just looks so bewildered and confused that there is a chance he didn't know what he was putting on.
libby emmons
I think he didn't know where he was.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, of course.
He never does.
I think he actually does not like Kamala Harris.
I mean, she let Donald Trump trash him on stage, which twofold works for Donald Trump because she cannot separate herself from the Biden administration.
You notice that she doesn't say Biden's name.
She avoided it as much as possible, but she would say, well, we accomplished this when it was the Biden-Harris administration.
In this case, I can only imagine that Joe Biden in a lucid moment is wondering when he sees these clips why
this lady that she gave a huge platform to, this nice lady who's been following him around for the
unidentified
past couple years, isn't saying anything in his defense. Yeah, I think it's hysterical that she was
daniel turner
trying to promote her foreign policy bona fides by saying a couple days before the Ukraine
invasion she was was over there. And you want to think you're definitely smart, you're talented, you've
made it thus far.
You've been vice president for a hot minute.
You were a senator for about two years.
You're in this room with NATO leaders.
You don't know what the hell is going on.
You have no idea why you're there.
You don't know anything about the military.
You know probably nothing about foreign policy.
And to give you this idea that like on my fourth day in office, I went over to Kiev and convened these world leaders.
I would have loved to have been in that room as she was sitting down with these world leaders being like, what the hell is?
Oh, I didn't know France was going to be here.
Yeah, Madam Vice President, France is going to be here.
hannah claire brimelow
They gave her to the table and they're like, OK, just listen.
It's cool.
And like Trump pointed out, you know, great job.
Russia still invaded.
libby emmons
So you said that Kamala Harris didn't mention Biden last night, and that is substantially true.
She mentioned him to say that she is not Joe Biden, to say that Trump is not running against Joe Biden, and she mentioned him when talking about the Afghanistan withdrawal, which killed 13 servicemen and women.
She laid Joe Biden to rest at the DNC.
Those were the only times that she mentioned him.
I just I've been scanning through.
I pulled up the transcript of the debate just to see, you know, some different things.
And yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous.
hannah claire brimelow
She laid Joe Biden to rest at the DNC.
He went first.
He talked about that she would continue on the work that he has done with his administration.
And then several days later, she came on stage, said goodbye to Joe and basically only talked
about herself from then on.
She does not want to be associated with Joe Biden.
And at the same time, is sort of recycling policies.
I mean, didn't working Kasama Monday point out that like her we have a website?
tim pool
Just a quick correction, Biden did ask for the hat.
He knew exactly what it was.
daniel turner
Oh, he did?
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
That's even funnier!
He does hate her!
That's even funnier.
That's way better.
Rahim Khasan pointed out on Monday that if you go to the code section of her policy page, it's actually lifted off of Biden's.
I mean, she is 100% just another reiteration of the Biden machine, no matter how hard she fights it.
libby emmons
You have to remember, too, there's no Biden machine.
Kamala Harris would be the continuation of the Obama era, and that's sort of part of the goal.
hannah claire brimelow
It's always a rebound.
It was Obama, and now it's Biden.
I want it to be Harris.
I just don't think that that one's going to work as well as I think.
daniel turner
Well, this is what she had to accomplish last night, and as well as she did, and she was prepared, and the media is saying she won.
One of the things that she had to do was she had to explain one of two things.
You're either a brilliant vice president, and this administration is great.
But everyone knows that's false, right?
Because the economy is in terrible shape.
The world is broken out into warfare.
So it's either that or you are this brilliant mind independent of the administration and I just sat there for three and a half years as a coward.
I hid the fact that Biden is mentally incapacitated and I had no ability to put any of my agenda or all these great policy ideas into play.
So you have to elect me and then I will do great things but I haven't been able to do it thus far.
It's one of those two.
And I don't think the audience believes that it's the latter, that you're this gifted mind with these wonderful policies and you just haven't been able to get them through the Biden administration.
People don't believe she's an independent actor separate from Joe Biden.
libby emmons
Well, because she's not an independent actor separate from Joe Biden.
She is intrinsically linked to him.
Feathered.
Yeah.
She is the DEI vice president.
And if she wins, she would be the DEI president.
And there's no getting around that.
And if I were her, I would find that to be kind of humiliating.
And I would go really crazy to make sure that I was differentiating myself, but with actual policy positions.
And she hasn't done that.
Instead, when she did that, you know, one interview, and now she's done one debate, what she said in that interview was that her values hadn't changed.
But she's continually backtracking on things that she previously said were core values.
So if her values hadn't changed, then she is lying to the American people now.
She is lying to voters now.
And even Bernie Sanders, when asked about it, said she's saying what she has to say to get elected.
And I don't know if you guys remember this back in 2008, but you had Obama who was then what?
He was a senator, right?
daniel turner
Two years.
libby emmons
Yeah, and he was going around saying something different to everyone.
He was saying, yes, gay marriage to some people, no gay marriage to other people.
He was going around.
He always had a different answer.
He was talking out of both sides of his mouth.
And I remember talking to, you know, my big lefty friends about it at the time and being like, but he said this and he said this.
He said he's going to bring more troops into Afghanistan.
And they were like, no, he's not going to do that.
Everybody was able to assume that Obama was speaking in code, and that he actually stood for exactly what they wanted him to stand for.
And that's something that Kamala Harris is trying to do, but I don't think it's going to be effective.
Because we've all seen this already.
And we were lied to by Obama.
Everyone thought he was going to be anti-war, even though he said he was going to go into Afghanistan.
And we just got out of Afghanistan.
And now no women in Afghanistan can speak in public or get an education.
And we lost 13 guys trying to get out of there.
And the Taliban had a military parade with all our equipment.
tim pool
Obama was the reverse dog whistle.
He would say something, excuse me, And the war thing's a great point, because Obama had talked about pulling out of Iraq, but surging in Afghanistan, and that's what he ended up doing.
But it was all code.
He would say something, and then people would say, no, no, no, no, he's just saying that.
He's actually, wink, wink, you know?
And then with Donald Trump, Trump's like, I want civil rights for everybody.
Yeah, but he doesn't mean that.
He's actually saying what we want.
These people live in some kind of like, it's like they're wearing drunk goggles, you know, those beer goggles that make everything look warped and twisted.
It doesn't matter what Trump says.
It doesn't matter what Kamala says.
When they look at Kamala, rose-colored glasses might be a nicer way to put it.
Kamala just smiles at the camera and says, I'm gonna help you.
And Trump's going.
libby emmons
Well, those are different glasses.
daniel turner
There was a moment last night that David Muir asked her, Madam Vice President, you once believed this on fracking, you now say the opposite.
You once believed this on the EV mandates, on universal health care, you do the opposite.
And she said, I'm going to get to all three of those.
I'm going to get to all three of those.
But let me talk about violence against women.
And she went on for five minutes for violence against women.
And then they were like, Mr. Trump.
Trump should have been like, oh, what the hell was that?
Like, is she going to answer the question?
Like, she just completely, completely dismissed it.
And she knew she was going to dismiss it.
libby emmons
Yeah, she started talking about that one high school friend who apparently got raped or whatever.
daniel turner
Which was a tragic story.
But that's where President Trump should have said, I'm sorry, she didn't answer the question on fracking.
hannah claire brimelow
There were a couple times like that.
daniel turner
Why did you not answer the question on fracking?
hannah claire brimelow
Right, when he was asked about do you want Ukraine to win the war, which by the way,
I just think that question is kind of gross.
This was a misstep with the CNN town hall.
They tried to push him on this and he said, which he basically said again last night,
I don't want people to die.
I think we should stop the life, the loss of human life.
And they followed up with, I'm going to repeat the question, you know, do you want Ukraine
to win the war?
He said the same thing.
They turned to Kamala Harris and whenever they ask her a question that she avoids, there's
no follow up.
tim pool
There's no pushback.
I have just said define winning the war because that's an important distinction.
hannah claire brimelow
Go.
tim pool
And then when they're like, uh, what are they gonna say?
Do you want Ukraine to restore all of its borders to its original state before the Russian invasion?
To which my response would then be, I don't know if I would prioritize the borders of the country over the dead people.
So long as people are dying, priority number one is end the loss of life.
We can talk about borders after the fact.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like you should have been like, winning is for sports.
We're talking about people dying.
I think you're losing perspective on how critical this crisis is.
daniel turner
Did anyone notice when they were talking about Ukraine and Kamala's passion about the internationally recognized sovereignty of a nation's border?
And I thought, is anyone going to mention that?
hannah claire brimelow
Does she know about ours?
daniel turner
Oh, and that was a missed one.
I love you, Mr. President.
That's where I was hoping you'd be like, I'm sorry.
Did you just talk about sovereign governance?
libby emmons
You made a really good point.
And I had forgotten that we used to have debates that were about specific issues, and that was a big deal.
But this time around, the Biden-Trump debate was on all topics because they knew they weren't going to get another one.
And then this one is the only scheduled one.
So they had to try and hit everything.
And I don't think it's fair to voters to try and do that so that you try and have to try and get like, you know, millions of different policy positions in one spot.
And I also don't think that it's fair to candidates because what you had were the moderators going up there saying, you know, Mr. Trump, why are you just absolutely the worst guy in the history?
And he's going, I'm really not that bad.
And then the question to Kamala is, what's your response to him saying he's not that bad?
tim pool
I don't know what this is from, but there's a cartoon someone posted a day before the debate and they said, is this how the debate's going to go?
And it's a frog and a disgusting looking guy.
And then the debate moderator goes, Mr. Frog, why are you so evil?
You have one second.
And he goes, hello.
And they go, out of time and you're wrong.
And Mr. President, why are you so awesome?
You have all the time you need.
So that's basically how it ended up going down.
We're going to jump to this next story, but before we do, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com to support our work.
Let's jump to this story from The Economist.
Donald Trump says immigrants are eating Springfield's pets.
What?
He repeated the bizarre and false claim in his presidential debate against Kamala Harris.
There is no better example of what the corporate press is than we called a bureaucrat who said it wasn't happening, therefore it's confirmed.
Because I got a video for you guys.
From Nick Sorter, Justin, a resident of Springfield, Ohio, told a reporter he witnessed Haitians in a van capturing cats, claiming they were going to eat them.
Here you go.
Now, I'm going to say this right away.
I am not saying this is true.
I don't know if I believe this guy's story, okay?
Actually, I'll put it this way.
I am neutral as to whether this guy is telling the truth.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I'm not going to impugn his honor.
It's a guy who got interviewed and said he saw it happen.
There are numerous interviews from people saying they see pigs getting decapitated, chickens, ducks being taken, and there are reports of people saying they've heard about pets being taken as well.
Whether or not that's true, I don't know, but you decide.
City manager, corporate press, or local resident, you'll have to pick for yourself.
unidentified
We've lost a whole bunch of cats.
Uh, there was a van loaded, a van pulled over that had over a hundred cats in it with the Haitians.
They said they was eating them.
Actually?
Yeah.
Not fake news?
Not fake news.
So a van was collecting cats and eating them?
tim pool
I watched it happen, yeah.
unidentified
Watched them get pulled over with the cats and admit to the police that they was eating them.
You're not joshing with me.
No, I'm almost 50 years old, buddy.
I don't, nah.
You don't mess around?
No.
tim pool
So, so, I don't, I don't know if I believe that.
I, it's, it's tough to believe.
libby emmons
I don't believe that he's almost 50 because I'm almost 50 and I look better than that guy.
unidentified
Not about looks, it's about policy.
tim pool
From the Post Millennial, Haitian migrants capture geese in Springfield, Ohio, police report.
I'm sitting here, I'm riding on the trail, I'm going to my orientation for my job today, and I see a group of Haitian people, there's about four of them, they all had geese in their hands.
It appears that there is a component of truth to the story, that there are, with 15-20,000 Haitian migrants, that they're capturing animals.
We have a police report here, postmonial reporting.
David reported this, David Creighton, that there's a police report obtained by the Federalist of someone saying they're capturing geese.
We're now seeing on Axe these liberal pundits being like, oh, what's wrong with hunting geese?
And I love this conservative's response is, we finally got liberals okay with hunting.
libby emmons
I mean, I think part of the issue with this whole, you know, cat-pet-Haitians thing is that it really is like a cultural cognitive dissonance.
So you have leftists saying they can't possibly be eating pets because eating pets is bad and they're immigrants and immigrants are good and they would never come in and eat our pets.
But for people who do eat cats, which as we were discussing pre-show, is a thing in plenty of places, eating, you know, cats or dogs or pigeons or whatever else.
The people who do those kinds of things, and that's part of their cuisine, don't think that there's anything wrong with them for the fact that they're doing that.
They don't think that this is a bad thing.
What we have here is probably a situation where we have a lot of illegal immigrants,
and in this case, you know, refugees from Biden's refugee program with his like very
specific countries, what, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, and Haiti, where you could just
come in.
Yeah, and there's no incentive for them to assimilate, and there's no incentive for them
to, you know, become part of American culture or American, adopt American values.
tim pool
You may be wondering, my friends, do Haitians eat cats?
It seems like a crazy story.
Here's what you do.
Take a look at this.
You go to Google.
I ask the question, do Haitians eat cats?
Now I want to stress this.
I am not meaning to disparage Haiti if it is that they eat cats in Haiti.
I don't know.
Different cultures eat different kind of animals.
I don't think we're fans of that, but okay.
We recognize other countries can do whatever.
We're America.
We do America stuff, all right?
I went to Google, I clicked tools, and set a custom range.
I only want to see search results from before August 1st, 2024.
That gives us a month lead time before this story became prominent.
I could probably say September.
What's the first?
From two years ago, Haitian girl crashing at my house talked about eating cats.
Just below that, August 18th, 2015.
I went to Haiti and was served stewed cat.
Here's one from 2011.
Do Haitians eat cats and dogs?
This one says no they don't, right?
This one book also says they don't.
hannah claire brimelow
No, Haiti Report says they, they, uh, contrary to... Oh, I'm sorry, you're right.
tim pool
It says, it says they don't eat cats because they're poor, they eat cats because it's tradition.
So this is from March 27th, 2019 from Haitian Report.
Do they eat cats in Haiti?
They say it's a practice exclusively known to a select group of Haitians found mostly in some countryside villages.
And it's part of, what did it say, it's part of a celebration or something?
Well, as a contrary to popular belief, they don't eat cats because they're poor, they eat because of tradition.
The practice of eating cats in Haiti is not a new habit, but an old tradition started at the time of slavery.
For instance, when runaway slaves hunted, killed, and ate wild cats deep in Haiti's forests and treacherous mountains many years before Haiti became a nation, so the practice of eating cats is just as old as Haiti itself.
They say, Haitians eat cows, goats, sheep, chicken, pork, but cat meat is a delicacy that many people from the country can't resist.
Having a réveillon without a cat is like celebrating Thanksgiving without a turkey.
I don't know what this is.
I don't know if it's true.
Maybe the website's fake, I guess.
But I'll tell you this.
I did a search several different ways and several different times, and I found numerous posts, verifiably, I mean this one right here.
This is from three years ago.
Haitian girls talks about eating cats in Haiti.
Alright?
What is this one?
Twelve years ago, I went to Haiti and was served stewed cat.
I can confirm the meat is really delicious.
So, this is the crazy thing.
The media is saying it's false.
Haitian migrants are not eating cats.
It's like, okay, well, I went on Reddit and found 10-year-old posts of people saying they eat cats in Haiti.
There are now 20,000 Haitians here in Ohio.
So if you were to come to tell me, well, two things.
One, there are reports of them eating cats.
And two, they're now here in Ohio.
If you then said, it's possible and probable that they eat cats in Ohio, I'd say, okay.
hannah claire brimelow
I think part of the problem the liberal mainstream media is having is they don't want to go with the, well, it's a cultural thing in that culture, it's okay, because we would say, but it's not a part of our culture, and if you're going to be in America, we don't treat them that way.
And we can acknowledge that people's attitudes towards pets, even in America, have shifted, right?
I saw this video of this, like, really nice old, like, lady, you know, she's holding someone's new kitten.
She's like, that's so cute.
You know, when I was a kid, we used to drown kittens because there were just so many of them, right?
unidentified
Right?
hannah claire brimelow
Like our culture supports pets in a way that I think maybe other, especially impoverished countries, doesn't.
But I don't think that the problem that I have with all of this is they keep going, like the debate the last night, they're like, well, we talked to the city manager and he says no.
We are also, America is the culture that had to have the, if you see something, say something report.
I mean, there are a lot of people who might see people capturing pets and dogs or geese or whatever and be like, I don't really want to get involved with this situation.
I just know that it'll end badly for me or no one will believe me.
I don't think that one city manager saying we haven't had any reports is actually as reliable.
I actually think this is one where you have to ask the townspeople, have there been big
changes since this influx of people from here arrived?
libby emmons
Well, and you could ask a lot of those people who were at the city council meeting in August,
where clips from that city council meeting were going viral, like the guy saying that
they were just picking up geese out of the parks and cutting their heads off.
But the thing too about like this eating, you know, pets or dogs or cats or whatever,
it was just a couple years ago at the Postmillennial, we broke a story about, you know, an animal
rights activist calling for the Minister of Infrastructure and Communities in Canada,
because you have that, Catherine McKenna, to apologize because there were videos showing
that she was eating a dog in Indonesia in the 90s and bribing her way into a cockfight.
So it's not like an unusual thing.
What's happening here is that Americans who believe themselves to be relativists are looking at this story saying, this couldn't possibly be true because I think it's horrifying.
And the people who are perhaps doing this thing don't think it's horrifying.
daniel turner
And if it is true, there's now a cultural hierarchy, and that's a huge problem for the left.
libby emmons
Even though that is what they keep advocating for with this incinerated border.
daniel turner
Yeah.
Our culture eats cats as part of this voodoo tradition, and that's our culture.
And we can't say that, no, that can't be your culture, because all cultures are equally good.
And I find that repugnant, so therefore you're not possibly doing it, so therefore they don't eat cats.
And if they are eating cats, well then we're acknowledging some cultures are better than other cultures, right?
There are cultures that used to bind women's feet... Well, I was going to talk about there were a bunch of laws... That's culture!
hannah claire brimelow
In Michigan, where they had to specifically go out and ban female genital mutilation.
And I remember reading one report that was like, this is anti-trans.
And then actually no one talked about it anymore because it was about the immigrant communities that had, you know, for whatever reason, whether through legal or illegal immigration, arrived in that country and had different practices that in America, we don't believe in.
The West doesn't support these things.
But that doesn't deny that other countries might have different value systems that say this is actually okay and traditional.
daniel turner
Yeah, and the new culture of Afghanistan, now that we have evacuated so precipitously, doesn't allow women to talk in public, leave the house in public.
That's their culture.
And if you're going to say, well, all cultures are equally beautiful, well, then we have to accept it.
That's totally fine.
And then we're going to start importing that en masse, which we are doing.
So there's a huge problem with cultural relativism here, because the left has to push that we're all equally good.
And quite frankly, not all cultures are equally good.
libby emmons
It is a cultural relativist thing, and I've talked to feminists from the Middle East and Indonesia who are saying, where are the American feminists?
Where are the feminists of the West who are, you know, going to stand up for us as we're forced to wear certain kinds of restrictive clothing, as we're forced to not be educated, as we're forced to have to cover our hair if we don't want to?
You know, you had all these protests in Iran a couple of years ago.
Where were the American feminists standing up for these women?
They were nowhere to be found, because they say, oh, that's just their culture.
We're going to be okay with their culture.
It's a relativist situation, you know, and then that's how you end up... Well, women in the culture are like, we don't like this.
We don't like this.
Please help us.
And that's how you end up with a situation where you have trans activists for Hamas claiming that, you know, in Palestine, in Gaza, you know, whatever you want to call it, Um, being trans is part of liberation.
And it's like, no, being trans in Gaza will get you killed.
Having an abortion in Gaza is completely illegal.
The husband has to be aware of it.
You know, it has to be like this whole thing.
It's super, um, restricted.
It's not really a possible thing.
So they make up all of this stuff.
So you have a left that makes up values to apply to other cultures because they want it to be true.
tim pool
You guys want to eat snapping turtle?
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
We got some.
unidentified
You won't eat a cupcake, but you'll... No, I can't eat that either because it's got soy sauce and sugar and stuff in it.
tim pool
Yeah, so we got kangaroo, alligator.
What else is in there?
libby emmons
Is that that big stack of jerkies out there?
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
I didn't even get a chance to look at it.
daniel turner
I have a problem with the Haitians eating, culturally, I have a problem with the Haitians eating goose now because goose is a Christmas meal.
unidentified
Right?
daniel turner
Like, you should not be eating goose in the summer.
And so, culturally, look, if you're going to live here in America, you should wait until at least winter to have goose.
hannah claire brimelow
Sure, of course.
tim pool
That's right.
Yeah.
daniel turner
The Christmas goose!
Right?
There's a proper way to do it.
tim pool
Or, you wait until they're in season and you're allowed to hunt them, because otherwise they're protected federally.
And the issue is that, like the old passenger pigeon, they'll go extinct if everyone just hunts them.
They'll disappear.
libby emmons
There's this great book by Kinsborough.
Let's jump to this story from ABC News.
called The Changeling, and it has a very detailed description of making turtle soup.
And it's a brutal process, and it's apparently very greasy and kind of disgusting, but he
does it anyway.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from ABC News.
This one flies in the face of David Muir.
So he says Trump is wrong about what's going on in Haiti.
I wonder if he knew that at 7 p.m.
yesterday, ABC News reported Ohio was sending troopers and 2.5 million dollars to a city that has seen an influx of Haitian migrants.
The governor of Ohio will send law enforcement and millions of dollars in health care resources to the city of Springfield as it faces a surge in temporary Haitian migrants.
Something is going on in this town that warrants a massive police presence and millions of dollars.
Now, whether or not Donald Trump is right or not, if someone came to me frantic saying they're eating dogs in Springfield, I'd say, slow down, what are you talking about?
If I heard that it wasn't true, I'd say, tell me what you're hearing about what's going on in Springfield.
I've heard they're not eating dogs, there's something else happening.
What do you uncover?
Trump may be memeing this, Conservatives may be memeing the cats and all that stuff, but it sounds like violent gangs are ruling the streets.
It literally says thousands, what is it, thousands of temporary Haitian migrants have landed in the city in recent years, as long-standing unrest in their home country has given way to violent gangs ruling the streets in Haiti.
So now they're coming here.
Is there reason to believe that perhaps they don't know our laws, our social norms, and it's causing issues?
I'm not, look, I gotta be honest.
If I'm out in the middle of, let's say, me and a Haitian guy fall off a plane.
We have no idea where we are.
Nothing but trees in every direction.
And then I watch him go and grab a goose.
I'm going to be like, okay, well, I don't know, right?
I don't know where we are.
I don't know what the rules are, the norms or the laws.
I'm not going to fault a human being for hunting.
The problem is they're brought here.
They don't know our laws.
They break the laws.
There's numerous reports of ducks and geese going missing and being hunted, being eaten, and that's illegal.
And so these people are coming here thinking they're doing something normal, but they're not allowed to do.
Police and money are being sent in, and the corporate press is going, fake news is not happening.
You're wrong.
daniel turner
I think it's the same with a lot of the gangs that we see from South America.
I did a lot of missionary work in Mexico and in South America.
A lot of those countries are completely fallen, and might is right, right?
The police force is corrupt, the military is corrupt, and so whoever has the most guns is the safest.
That is kind of the culture of a lot of the countries, and then these folks are brought here by the Biden administration, and they just carry that with them.
So you see them taking over hotels, taking over apartment complexes with just arms, because that is their culture.
But now we're back to cultural relativism.
That is their culture.
libby emmons
We see it in Colorado.
We see it in Texas.
We see this, you know, I think James O'Keefe put out a report recently that there are at least 400 gang members operating in the United States all across the country.
There's a bunch in New York.
And there hasn't been any checks on this.
And these are people who are able to get in using Biden's refugee program.
Because you apply as a refugee, you come to the United States, you claim that your life is in danger at home.
And if you're a violent gang member, you're just going to lie.
You come here, you hang out until your refugee case is heard.
And as we reported at the Post Morning, I think Savannah Hernandez figured this out.
A couple of years ago, under the Biden administration, after he had said, everybody come on in, and you had Mayorkas saying, we're not saying don't come, we're saying don't come now, and everybody poured across the border, court dates were being given out five years in advance or more.
And so a big part of what Kamala Harris is touting as her border security bill is actually getting more judges and more border agents to push more paper to get people processed Faster and we've already seen also that once somebody loses an asylum case.
It's not like they're kicked out of the country They just still hang out for more.
No one goes to get them.
We have you know criminals who Commit violent crimes like the guys who?
Attacked the officers in Times Square and I think they got off two of them got off on a thousand dollars bond.
That's it They're illegal immigrants They're being processed for crimes.
They're suspects in crimes.
They don't have any documentation or reason to be here.
Why are they here?
hannah claire brimelow
That was like Lake and Riley's accused killer.
libby emmons
And a couple of that guy's relatives are part of this Trende Aragua gang.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
His brother, his cousin, whatever else?
hannah claire brimelow
He came in under Biden.
He was arrested and convicted of crimes, I believe, in multiple states, including New York.
Ended up in Georgia and is now on trial.
I mean, obviously he hasn't been tried yet, but it's not looking great.
And I just think that this is a problem that we could solve as a country.
If we prioritize the safety of American citizens, we would treat the border like it's an active crisis and secure it in a week.
daniel turner
Obama gave us Mara Salvatrucha, MS-13, right?
That was the beginning of... enough Americans said, like, why is there a Salvadorian, El Salvadorian gang problem in America?
How the hell did this happen, right?
Well, they were brought here during the Obama administration, and now Biden is giving us this Trendaragua gang problem, which is Venezuelan.
the reason why they're here is because we're inviting them in.
And so again, that was an issue that I think Trump hammered a lot last night
and that going back to what you said earlier, Tim, is that if you're just the angry guy,
Trump is angry about that and he should be.
Americans should be angry about that.
Are they angry enough?
I don't know, because this is her responsibility.
The Borders are should have been the response to every question.
Borders are.
You're the Borders are.
tim pool
I think there's going to be a lot of people who are going to say, I don't know a whole lot about what Project 2025 is.
Just seemed like Kamala didn't really care.
She seemed like she was just smug and sure of herself.
And when you come off that way at a time of crisis for somebody, Let me just put it this way.
You ever get into an argument with someone and you're in a heated moment where someone made a mistake and they're not engaging with you on the issue?
They have their arms crossed and they're going, why are you so mad?
Why are you mad?
Is something wrong?
daniel turner
It's called having siblings, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, and it makes you angrier and angrier.
You want to know that they feel your anger and that they're in the same game as you.
So it drives people nuts when you get into a fight and they keep acting like I'm unaffected.
It's actually a tactic for antagonizing to, you know, trying to be snooty and, what's wrong?
You're getting really mad.
Why are you so angry?
Like, what do you want to say?
The fastest way to make someone angry is say, calm down.
libby emmons
That's effective.
I hate that.
tim pool
Exactly.
It pisses people off.
Because they'll be like, why are you saying that?
I'm not angry.
And they'll be like, calm down.
That's what Kamala was doing.
libby emmons
Or even more, it's like you're not listening to what I'm saying.
daniel turner
Yeah, Trump definitely has anger capitalized on the fact that he sees America in crisis.
I think a lot of Americans see America in crisis, economic crime.
Even David Muir tried to chime in, well, the FBI does say that crime is statistically down.
No American believes that.
No American believes crime is down.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, that was one of his best moments when he was like, if you go to that study, A bunch of cities that have major crime problems just didn't report their numbers because that's how the FBI rolls.
And so you cannot treat that like it's accurate because we can't have cities that everyone knows have crime problems just left off the list and then you get these results that are like, seems like it's okay.
daniel turner
Yeah, so I think Trump definitely capitalized on the anger that a lot of Americans feel in crisis moment.
The greatest crisis of all, the existential crisis that even Joe Biden said is the number one threat to our military, the number one threat, it is the number one issue, was of course climate change and it got the closing minute And just to talk about that, because obviously this is my wheelhouse, Kamala Harris and this campaign has ended forever this idea that climate change is an existential threat.
Because existential threats do not stop becoming existential when they poll poorly.
Right?
And so I am sure if you went back to the 1944 debates, where FDR was talking about Nazi Germany, right?
Reagan and Carter talked about the Soviet threat, right?
Because they were existential.
They talked about nuclear threat, because it's existential.
We were told for years, the number one threat facing this nation is climate change.
And even Kamala was like, oh yeah, 30 seconds, big threat, we spent a trillion dollars.
So climate change is dead, if it even exists.
The existentiality of climate change is over and the Democrat Party killed it.
tim pool
I completely agree.
And to stress your point, it wasn't even a topic of debate.
It was a blip on the radar.
The bigger issue was democracy.
They didn't care about climate change.
libby emmons
The other thing too is if you remember back during the 2020 election season after Kamala Harris was selected as the vice president, she and Joe Biden had sort of this campaign platform of four big existential crises that they were going to Good memory.
Yeah, that they were going to use to essentially coerce the American people into doing things.
Climate, racism, the economy, and COVID.
That's what they were.
They screwed up COVID.
They really screwed up on race.
I mean, they made things so much worse between people.
The economy, they tanked.
And climate, as you just said, Kamala Harris basically debunked the whole climate change
thing because for her in that debate, her whole thing when she was asked about climate
change as an existential threat. She started talking about...
You know, home insurance and creating jobs in the climate change industry.
For them, it's an industry.
And that's why they had the, you know, Infrastructure Reduction Act, which Joe Biden admitted should have been called, you know, massive climate spending bill.
They talk about, you know, EV cars and charging stations.
And she said, we have created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs while I've been vice president.
We've invested in clean energy to the point that opening up factories around the world.
So she's talking about it as though It's an industry ripe for monetization, not an existential threat.
And even Greta Thunberg has changed her whole tune.
daniel turner
Now she just hates Jews.
libby emmons
Now she just hates Jews and wanders around in a keffiyeh and she doesn't even notice about the climate anymore.
She's probably just going to take one of Taylor Swift's private jets to the next climate or Palestinian rally thing she doesn't even care about.
She doesn't even care about climate anymore.
She ruined her whole education for no reason.
daniel turner
She has no education for no reason.
If you go back five years, and it's hard to remember, like, pre-COVID, right, pre-George
Floyd, pre-Russia invasion, pre-October 7th, pre-January 6th.
2019, when the world was relatively calm and peaceful and Trump was inevitably going to
win, the economy was great, nothing else was really happening, CNN did a seven-hour town
hall on climate change, and every candidate, that's back when Amy Klobuchar was running,
right, Cory Booker was running.
libby emmons
They had 20 people.
They had 20 Democrats were trying to get that spot.
daniel turner
And the whole thing was about climate change, because they had to create an existential
They had to find that thing that is so ethereal and intellectual that someone like Trump is just too brash to understand, right?
We understand the threat because we're the smart intellectual Democrats.
libby emmons
Trump had a great response to that, which was, have you seen a solar field where you destroy all of this land for these solar panels?
And he talks about wind turbines, which I don't know what the stats are on cancer caused by wind turbines, or if that's even a thing.
I have no idea.
But I do know that putting wind turbines in communities really screws things up.
And also, the wind turbines themselves, when they break down, they're not recyclable.
So they just land, these giant massive things, just land in landfills.
And you can't do anything with them.
And you just have to create more to replace those ones.
And the way that they use them when they put them out in the ocean or whatever, they get corroded really quickly.
So it creates more problems than it actually solves.
Meanwhile, if the climate activists were actually interested in saving the planet, they would go for the most clean and safe energy, which is nuclear power.
tim pool
I want to point this out real quick, because I recently was in Newport, Rhode Island, and it is a Democrat stronghold.
Democrat, Democrat, Democrat, all across the board.
And you guys have been there?
libby emmons
I did the mansion tour when I was a kid.
It's gorgeous.
tim pool
Did you see all the signs everywhere that say to keep it wild, keep the wind out?
It's pictures of wind turbines with circles and lines in the room.
libby emmons
They don't want to screw up their view.
Same thing happens in Jersey, off the Jersey Shore.
They don't want that stuff.
tim pool
Nobody wants to see... I don't mind wind turbines.
I don't know, but people don't like them.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, they have a cost that when initially people were promoting things like solar and wind, they're like, it's fine, you just plant it, everything's okay.
But it's always climate when convenient, it's always environment when convenient.
I remember when Doug Ducey, the former governor of Arizona, was putting up shipping containers to fill in gaps in the border wall.
He got sued by the federal government for a bunch of stuff, but eventually they settled on, well, you're on federal land, and also these are hurting the migration patterns of some sort of, I don't know, Some sort of creature.
unidentified
Illegals.
hannah claire brimelow
It doesn't matter.
No, no, this time it was an animal and not humans running across the border.
Have you seen a solar field?
Do you think a deer is going to cross that?
Do you think anything is going to survive there?
To what end are you saying you're preserving the environment?
libby emmons
Well, you're preserving the environment, but not for people is the thing.
hannah claire brimelow
For the companies that are benefiting.
daniel turner
And she admitted that.
She admitted they have spent a trillion dollars on the climate agenda and how are we doing?
Have you seen a study that our emissions are down, that our air is cleaner, that our water is cleaner?
We know one thing for certain, our utility bills are 30% higher, our gas is higher.
libby emmons
Water is expensive too.
daniel turner
Trillion dollars.
Water at the movie theater is very expensive.
So the trillion dollars went somewhere.
And I hear, defensive of my industry, all the time, big oil, big oil, big oil.
Big green is a really real thing.
If you have a trillion dollars to spend, someone is getting very, very rich.
And those people are invested in electing Harris.
tim pool
We're going to jump to this next story.
So smash that like button.
And here we go.
The Washington Post.
Taylor Swift endorses Kamala Harris for president.
I'm gonna say right off the bat, I think this means they thought Kamala bombed.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes!
unidentified
This was my, as soon as I saw it, I was like, this is the biggest win for Kamala Harris.
hannah claire brimelow
And they immediately started selling friendship bracelets, they're posting on social media with references to her, which the friendship bracelet thing makes me think it was pre-planned because if you already have a product photo shot, you must be pretty prepared.
libby emmons
Do you think Beyonce's gonna come out too?
hannah claire brimelow
That's irrelevant.
tim pool
They've got cartridges lined up for emergencies.
And this debate performance, it is no question the media is going to come out and say Kamala won.
As long as she doesn't pull a Joe Biden, they're going to say she won.
They wanted to.
But also don't forget, they wanted Joe Biden to fail as well.
They were worried about down ticket, so they wanted him out and this gave them their excuse.
Almost immediately after the debate, Taylor Swift shuts down the news cycle and takes over for Kamala Harris.
That says to me that they looked at what happened and they said, we don't think she did well enough.
Launch Taylor Swift.
hannah claire brimelow
I 100% agree.
She also disabled comments on this post, right?
tim pool
All of her posts are disabled though.
hannah claire brimelow
Not always.
Sometimes they're not.
And so it's interesting because she has this post, like she turns her comments on and off and she turned them off for this post, which I find fascinating.
I think part of it is when you read her endorsement of Kamala Harris, she says she champions values and issues that are important to me, but does not name a specific issue.
She's more specific about Tim Waltz's accomplishment.
She mentions women's rights to their body.
She mentions... She disabled all comments.
Yeah, she goes back and forth on it.
unidentified
But that's what I find interesting.
tim pool
No, no, no, but I'm saying there's no post with any available, all of her posts right now, every single one, comments are disabled.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I'm telling you, for her account, she goes back and forth on it.
tim pool
Right, so what, so what, so, the point then would be, sometimes you can comment on all of her posts, or what?
hannah claire brimelow
Sometimes you can comment on her posts, sometimes you can't.
tim pool
All of them, or some of them?
hannah claire brimelow
Uh, from what I remember, like, when she'll announce an album, people are commenting underneath it.
tim pool
Okay, well, she disabled all comments on her entire page.
daniel turner
Maybe she's killed all comments.
hannah claire brimelow
It's because they would just jump to the next post and comment the same thing.
tim pool
Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
But you know who's most likely to do that?
tim pool
As soon as she made the endorsement, they knew comments had to be disabled because it was going to be backlash.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and you know who also is really good at spamming comments on social media when there's something they don't like?
People who are intensely pro-Palestine who think that if you're endorsing a candidate who has not backed that movement entirely that you are actually, you know, involved in genocide.
That's happened to a couple different people on social media.
I won't grandstand on the Taylor Swift thing.
I think this is fascinating.
I think it's so interesting that she could name basically abortion, IVF, and whatever for Tim Waltz, could not give you a specific detail of what Kamala supported.
To me, that means this was pre-written because it was decided before she released her policies.
libby emmons
That's interesting.
daniel turner
I think she shows a great level of disrespect to her fans.
I can't say I'm a fan or not a fan of Taylor Swift.
I'm not a fan, not just because I'm too old.
I don't care about Taylor Swift.
But I do think she shows a great level of disrespect to her fans because she had to cancel a series of concerts in Vienna because of threats of Islamic terrorism.
Islamic terrorism is funded by Iran.
Iran is bankrolled right now because of oil and gas money because the Biden administration, the Biden-Harris administration, lifted every single sanction on Iran.
And now you've endorsed Kamala Harris.
So you're very fans who lost the opportunity to see you, and they pledged to kill tens of thousands of people in Vienna at that concert.
Where did the terrorist plot come from?
It came from the fact that this administration has made Iran very, very rich.
And so to endorse this administration, which is targeting vis-a-vis Hamas, your fans?
Don't tell me you love your fans.
Go up there and sing your songs and do your thing with Travis Kelce and all that.
But your fans' lives were at risk because of Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, and this is the way you thank them for risking their lives to go to one of your stupid concerts.
Shame on you, Taylor.
tim pool
Well, look, I mean, Taylor Swift developed a worldview when she was being trained at Langley that suggests abortion.
And I'm kidding, by the way.
But the conspiracy theory, of course, is that she's a psyop.
I don't think that's the case, but why does Taylor Swift need to endorse anybody?
She's wealthy and well-off, and she could just be like, I don't care.
hannah claire brimelow
You want to hear my theory on this?
I think it's because she's hanging out with Britney Mahomes, and Britney Mahomes got in trouble for liking a Donald Trump post.
They were at the US Open last weekend together, and then this pro-LGBTQ outlet ran this article that her queer fans are deeply troubled that she hugged Britney Mahomes.
Who is anti-whatever and supports Trump.
libby emmons
But she also, Brittany Mahomes, is also maha.
Make America healthy again.
tim pool
But Taylor Swift is just sabotaging her right-leaning fans, and she has them.
hannah claire brimelow
She doesn't care about them that much.
She just works in an industry where it is socially mandated that you're a voting Democrat.
And that's why she can't say why she supports Kamala Harris.
tim pool
If anyone could say whatever she wanted, it's Taylor Swift.
hannah claire brimelow
But she doesn't really care about this.
I mean, this is the thing.
She's a default Democrat.
She talked about, you know, she endorsed Joe Biden last time.
She's talked about regretting not publicly endorsing Hillary Clinton.
Like, for the third time, she's picked the Democrat.
It's not that surprising.
tim pool
Is she friends with Mahomes?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, they hang out all the time.
tim pool
And she's not a default lib.
She's just a shill sellout.
hannah claire brimelow
Or people have friends who are not necessarily of the political spectrum.
daniel turner
She's probably just a shill sellout.
tim pool
I don't know that at this point, You can be, like, look at Shailene Woodley.
Is that her name?
Isn't she married to Aaron Rodgers?
hannah claire brimelow
They were engaged at one point and they broke up.
tim pool
Oh, they broke up, that's sad.
But she actually defended Melania.
When Melania said, you know, she put up the thing saying my husband was attacked, he's a father, he's a grandfather, she retweeted that, and then she was like, look, everybody knows, like, my politics here, I just thought it was nice, and it's like, no, I think she's just scared, and she's actually probably based.
I don't know how you're with someone like Aaron Rodgers and you don't agree with, like, you gotta agree on some things, you know what I mean?
hannah claire brimelow
I think you can agree on stuff, but I have friends that are Democrat.
We're going to vote differently.
They're still my friends.
I think that there is a tremendous amount of pressure on public, especially pop stars, to be Democrats.
And the Kamala Harris campaign depends on allusions to pop stars to seem cool and relevant.
Remember Bratt Summer?
I think we've talked about the fact that her like camo and orange hat.
libby emmons
In the stallion?
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
Was that the thing?
Her camo and orange hat is actually essentially what Chapel Rowan has been using for her merch.
I mean, they really, really think that if they can get enough pop power behind them
that they will just be the default decisions for all young people.
libby emmons
They got the go ahead to use all the Beyonce stuff.
daniel turner
I think it's amazing that these gay activists were so angry that she shook hands or hugged
Patrick Mahomes' wife that they demand a response and they get one.
That anger always comes from the left, right?
You see your leftist friends are the ones saying, if you're going to vote for Donald Trump, my better half, Andrew, is just saying that on his Facebook page.
People after the debate last night, if you're still going to vote for Donald Trump, then just unfriend me right now.
I've never seen anyone on the right have that reaction to the left.
I've never seen anyone on the right say, if you're going to be friends with a Democrat, then we can... I've never seen anyone go up to Chris Pratt and say, if you don't come out right now, we are never going to watch another one of your dinosaur films.
It's always been fascinating to me how the left is so hatefully intolerant.
tim pool
But it's because they don't have policies.
The only thing they have is get in line or else.
On the right it's, I'll convince you, trust me.
daniel turner
They would have been great Nazis.
They really were.
I mean, they were great Nazis.
The left was.
I mean, but just left their conformity or we will kill you.
It's fascinating.
And everyone falls for it.
What you were leaning towards, and I agree with you, if anyone is uncancellable, you would think it would be Taylor Swift.
tim pool
She sets the trend.
daniel turner
But maybe she's not.
Maybe she's not.
Is anyone uncancellable?
Joe Rogan, probably.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think it's a question of cancel.
I think right now she's about to start the final leg of her heiress tour.
And so she doesn't want the end of this big peak career moment to be marred by, oh, I wasn't on the right side with my Hollywood friends.
You know, it's always interesting because there was this big Swifties for Trump movement that I think conservative people that are interested in pop culture kind of know.
Like, you could meet Taylor Swift.
She's not going to want to talk to you about these things.
And you're used to it.
Whereas if you're left-leaning, you really feel like you must have the same values as everyone around you.
And so there's a difference in the emotional pandering.
People who are conservative who listen to Taylor Swift are still going to listen to her.
The most backlash she got this year was in her new album.
There were some religious allusions and there were a couple Christian evangelicals who were like, that's not appropriate.
I'm not going to listen to her anymore.
But it wasn't about economic policy or anything else.
Also, you know, so Donald Trump was asked about this on Fox and Friends, and he said, you know, I prefer Mrs. Mahomes, which is kind of funny.
But he also said, you know, she's always voting left.
It's not that big of a deal.
And I think, you know, it just kind of is what it is.
I find that, you know, the idea that like, Taylor Swift is going to win Kamala Harris the election.
Laughable.
daniel turner
Yeah.
Well, Beyonce was supposed to do it in 2016.
Remember the night before the election, Hillary Clinton had that concert in State College, Pennsylvania with Beyonce, Katy Perry, Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi.
I mean, she had the greatest lineup and they said it was the biggest rally of the election cycle.
But yeah, it was at State College, Pennsylvania or Happy Valley.
If you go to Penn State and you have a Beyonce, Bruce Springsteen, Bon Jovi concert, I'm going to go to that concert.
Of course you are!
Even if I'm not voting for Hillary Clinton.
So they need the celebrity factor.
I just wish they would follow the Michael Jordan mantra, which is, well, you know, Republicans buy sneakers too.
Why would it have been so hard for Taylor Swift to say, you know what, I write music and I love that my fans are all over the spectrum and music brings people together.
I'm not going to get involved.
Why isn't anyone ever able to just...
I mean, we do this for a living, right?
I mean, of course we have to give our opinions.
We're opinion people.
But why do any of these folks feel like they have to alienate folks?
hannah claire brimelow
And she wasn't willing to do it for Biden.
That's the other interesting thing.
I mean, it looked like she might stay out of endorsing anyone when it was Biden, but then Kamala needed her and she was summoned.
And that's kind of fascinating.
tim pool
That's the real reason they had to get Biden out.
They went to Taylor Swift and they said, will you endorse Biden?
She said, absolutely not.
Well, what if we got rid of him?
Well, if it was Kamala, I'd do it.
We gotta get him out.
daniel turner
He's definitely out.
What was the timestamp between her posting that and the debate ending?
I'm curious to see how quickly she wrote that.
hannah claire brimelow
It was very, very close.
Like I said, I think it's a prepared statement.
libby emmons
It was really quick.
Yeah, it was really quick.
daniel turner
So we're supposed to assume that she was watching it, and as soon as the debate was done, she was like, boom, boom, boom, boom, Instagram hit.
Instagram?
Is that where she uploaded it?
I'd be curious to see the timestamp of when she posted it to the debate ending.
tim pool
22 hours ago.
hannah claire brimelow
And Gavin Newsom in the spin room was like, did you see that Taylor Swift endorsement?
Now he could be on X, you know, seeing it.
Or on the other hand, he could have known it was coming and known that if asked any questions about how Kamala Harris did, you divert to the fact that this big fun pop star has endorsed her.
daniel turner
Yeah, so it just shows that Kamala Harris is completely manufactured, right?
She's a product.
And as a product, she doesn't have positions, she doesn't have policy, she doesn't have a position on her website, she doesn't have a website.
tim pool
They're there now, but it's just Biden's.
daniel turner
It's just Biden's.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So good for her, she got him up.
hannah claire brimelow
Good for her finally getting around to giving us some policies.
unidentified
Yay!
daniel turner
What a big girl!
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, when are we getting our one-on-one interview?
When is she doing the 60-minute – this is Kamala Harris, not Taylor Swift – but when are we getting the 60-minute sit-down that, you know, Clinton did, that Trump did?
Like, I just don't understand why she is this Wonderful, amazing speaker.
I mean, Taylor Swift called her like a calm leader or whatever.
I don't remember.
Why doesn't Harris want to talk to the press?
If she's so great and everyone in the media loves her and every pop celebrity is lining up to endorse her, why not?
daniel turner
Her ideas are so good.
Share them with us.
hannah claire brimelow
Tell us.
daniel turner
Yeah.
Um, the disqualifying factor, and I wish President Trump hit on this more, and maybe he will in the next debate if there is a next debate.
libby emmons
Go ahead.
daniel turner
The disqualifying factor is that for three and a half years, she hid Joe Biden's cognitive abilities, and she did not do it for the benefit of the country.
She didn't do it for the benefit of Joe Biden himself, who, even though I am not a fan, is a human being and is worthy of dignity.
She didn't do it for Joe Biden's sake.
She didn't do it for the country's sake.
She did it for her own power, and that is a disqualifying position for her.
She hid the fact that the nation is in peril because she wanted the job, and that alone should disqualify her.
I wish President Trump would hit that, and that's the answer to every question.
You stood by silently while this country was going to hell, knowing he was senile, because you want his job.
That disqualifies you from anything.
If you were an assistant coach and you watch the team fail and you're like, well I'm going to watch the team fail because I know that I'm going to get to... If I watch Tim Cass fail and I'm like, because I'm going to get the job eventually, that is disqualifying for you.
And that is why she's unworthy of the job.
tim pool
Maybe I should take a picture with a cat and say, I saw the debate and I'm going to endorse Donald Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm a childless cat lady.
I'm not going to vote for Kamala Harris, I'll tell you that.
tim pool
Oh yeah, she called herself a childless cat lady in that thing too.
libby emmons
Yeah.
daniel turner
Taylor did?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, she like signed it like a letter and said Taylor Swift, childless cat lady.
tim pool
This is who they're targeting.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
But the crazy thing is, how many childless cat ladies are there in the U.S.?
daniel turner
I think childless cat lady has to start at a certain age, though.
Taylor Swift is, and I won't presume to ask your age.
tim pool
Was she 35?
daniel turner
Taylor Swift is, like, young.
I think cat lady status doesn't really come in until, like, your late 40s.
unidentified
No!
No, no.
libby emmons
Well, because you have to be less decidedly no kids.
unidentified
That's the bias of the modern era, man.
libby emmons
You know?
Decidedly no kids.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
The door hasn't closed for Taylor Swift on kids.
That's true, though.
tim pool
She's 34.
daniel turner
Yeah, she's too young to be a child.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm deep in the pop culture knowledge over here.
unidentified
There's one thing I know about.
hannah claire brimelow
Sadly, it is white girl pop music.
libby emmons
Well, why not?
hannah claire brimelow
Look, I am who I am.
libby emmons
There's nothing wrong with that.
I'm comfortable with that.
I think you should be.
hannah claire brimelow
Thanks.
tim pool
I'm gonna do some quick math for you while you guys talk.
There are 56 million single women in the United States.
libby emmons
So Adrian Curry posted, childless cat lady for Trump.
Also her cat looks so cool.
Looks like she's got a great cat.
Do you think there will be a second debate?
daniel turner
I kind of hope there is.
I wish there would be a second and a third and a fourth and a fifth.
I think the American people should get the chance to have these questions as often.
There should be a town hall.
libby emmons
There should be a town hall where Kamala Harris has to answer questions unscripted from actual voters.
daniel turner
Absolutely.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think the next one should be on Fox or Newsmax or something, not whatever.
The first one on CNN, you know, it made strategic sense for them to seed stuff.
I think ABC proved that they're in the Biden's pockets.
I mean, the CNN moderators interjected less fact-checking than ABC moderators.
libby emmons
Well, you have to know that the exec who's in charge of ABC from the Disney side is actually one of Kamala Harris's best friends who introduced her to Doug Emhoff on a blind date in the first place, leading to their marriage about 10 years ago.
So that already is so, that's just so much bias right there.
tim pool
Eighteen to twenty-one million single women in the U.S.
who likely own cats, according to basic estimates.
libby emmons
Interesting.
tim pool
Eighteen to twenty-one.
hannah claire brimelow
And Vance's comments from several years ago apparently is going to drive them all into the arms of Kamala Harris.
tim pool
Well, how many of them are over 40?
libby emmons
Kamala Harris is going to let in more refugees to eat your cats.
unidentified
33%.
tim pool
So the estimate is about 6 to 7 million single men over 40 likely own cats.
daniel turner
So that means 66% of them are still of childbearing years and just haven't had kids yet.
They haven't, you know?
I wouldn't call them single catlings.
tim pool
35 is geriatric pregnancy.
I think so.
unidentified
I think after 35 is...
tim pool
Like, a 40-year-old woman can have kids.
libby emmons
Cameron Diaz just had a baby and she's 51.
Oh, really?
Oh, via surrogate?
I thought she had her baby by herself.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm pretty confident it was via surrogate.
I could be wrong.
daniel turner
She may have frozen eggs a long time ago.
libby emmons
I thought she had a baby on her own, but I could have been wrong.
daniel turner
She may have frozen eggs at 30 and then they find... do the little... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
libby emmons
It's so really hard.
daniel turner
It was surrogate?
libby emmons
Surrogate.
I hate that so much.
tim pool
Wait, she's carrying someone else's baby?
libby emmons
No, no.
hannah claire brimelow
Somebody else carried her baby.
She had a surrogate carry her egg.
libby emmons
What it is, is that is actually the... it's the handmaid's tale.
She's the handmaid.
You know, she's the...
She's the wife in The Handmaid's Tale.
You know how The Handmaid's Tale, it'll have like, um, the story is so that the men will, like, pretend to have sex with their wives or whatever, but they'll actually impregnate somebody else.
And that's, like, what happens here, except there's no pretend sex.
It's just IVF, which is very expensive.
tim pool
Wasn't the premise of that, like, the human population was devastated by disease and humans are on the verge of going extinct?
libby emmons
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
It's all kinds of environmental issues that have caused infertility and their birth rate is collapsing.
libby emmons
I don't know if anyone thinks that sounds familiar.
And the rich people can't have children.
And the women of the rich couples, aren't they all just really old too?
No, all of them.
And so they can't do it on their own.
But that's part of it.
tim pool
What should a civilization do if that happens?
libby emmons
Um, what should a civilization do if they're on the verge of collapse?
tim pool
Yeah, I'm not suggesting Handmaid's Tale is right or correct.
I'm saying, like, if we got to the point where fertility dropped to a, like, people were infertile, and the population was collapsing.
libby emmons
We're moving in that direction.
I don't know.
tim pool
What should a civilization do?
I mean, humans will cease to exist.
libby emmons
Yeah, well, humans don't really care that much about humans.
They care more about the planet without humans on it.
tim pool
Well, no, that's liberals.
libby emmons
Yeah, there's a lot of them right now.
tim pool
I mean, I kind of feel like conservatives, their replacement rate is below replacement fertility, even for conservatives.
But as long as I see these videos of people with like six kids that live on the farm or whatever, I'm not too worried about it.
daniel turner
That's Elon Musk's position, right?
libby emmons
Doesn't he have like a ton of kids?
daniel turner
We have to reproduce.
libby emmons
Yeah, we have to.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you see his response to Taylor Swift?
daniel turner
It's a little weird, but the idea that we need to reproduce.
hannah claire brimelow
Elon Musk tweeted at her, OK, fine, Taylor, I'll give you a child and defend your cats with my life.
And now the media is freaking out and they're like, that was such a creepy thing to say.
But I have said for a long time, Elon Musk loves tall, blonde women at the top of their career.
And so, of course, the offer to have children with Taylor Swift was inevitable.
We all knew this was coming.
tim pool
Well, I mean, look, Taylor's got a few more months until its geriatric pregnancy.
And it's funny because I know a bunch of, like, lefty single men are going to be like, that's so creepy that you'd bring that up.
I don't care.
You can call me whatever you want.
libby emmons
It's the truth, though.
I mean, when I was, like, 34, my doctor was like, if you want to have kids, like, now's the time.
You better do it now.
daniel turner
The other thing about Handmaid's Tale is, remember, once the inauguration of President Trump happened in 17, you would always see the women in red robes everywhere.
Another effort that Kamala is trying to do is to scare people, like, if Trump is elected, all these bad things are going to happen.
And they did that with Handmaid's Tale.
But nothing really happened, right?
Like, the world didn't end.
Women weren't all locked up.
And so Kamala has to push this agenda that, like, scary things are going to happen if this guy gets power.
They tried that in 17, and it didn't really work and fizzled out, which is why they talked about climate change.
libby emmons
Well, and people were able to pay for things under Trump, you know?
Like, you could buy eggs and groceries.
I'll never forget that moment when my grocery bill just kept doubling every week, whenever that was.
Was it like 2021 maybe?
Something around there?
But it was like ridiculous.
tim pool
Bacon!
libby emmons
And I stopped buying bacon and I stopped buying meat and I was like, why are my groceries still going up?
I stopped buying all this stuff that's expensive.
tim pool
Oh, I'll tell you what offended me.
I was at a hotel at the RNC and they put out vegan sausage without telling anybody.
libby emmons
Oh, that's disgusting.
daniel turner
At the RNC?
I guess it was the hotel's fault.
tim pool
It's one of the hotels, and I was getting breakfast, and I was having sausage and eggs, right?
I'm trying to cut the carbs, and I grabbed the sausage, I sat down, I looked at it, and I was like, uh, what is this?
And then I cut into it, and it was like a sponge.
And I was like, I don't think this is sausage.
This is vegan.
So I complained and the lady was like, no, it's good.
It's sausage.
And I was like, if I'm allergic to this and it's not sausage, I'll go check.
And then she comes back and she's like, it's not sausage.
I'm sorry.
They tried sneaking out vegan sausages, hoping nobody would notice.
daniel turner
That's because the Beyond Meat stuff has no shelf life and they're selling it at a huge price.
unidentified
It was disgusting.
tim pool
It was like chewing on a sponge.
I'm not kidding.
I took a bite and I was like, what?
This is not food.
daniel turner
Food should not be made in labs.
tim pool
It should be made by critters.
daniel turner
Yes.
And farms and grown and harvested.
tim pool
That's why I think it's funny when there's a picture of the dude carrying the goose.
And everyone's all mad about it.
And it's like, I can understand the anger over violating our laws on protecting migratory birds, violating our social customs and norms, but it is kind of funny to me that a dude eating a goose is weird to people, and they go to the grocery store and get frozen dinosaur-shaped chicken nuggets and then dip them in high-fructose corn syrup.
I'm like, the goose is better for you.
daniel turner
What's weird, if you've ever processed a chicken, if anyone wants to do it, it is gross.
tim pool
Mal's bad too.
daniel turner
Yeah, it's just that it's a nasty process, and we did it for a long time because it is very cost-efficient, but it's just, it's easier to go to Costco and get the two-pack frozen for $4.95.
Processing chickens is pretty brutal.
tim pool
Yeah, but here's the crazy thing.
If you guys went out into not even a rural area, but maybe just the far suburbs where you're allowed to have backyard chickens, you just drive five minutes to the farmer and drop the chickens off, and then he says, you know, come back in a little bit.
And then you come back and he's got the fresh prepared chicken for you, and he says, cook it like a normal chicken like you got from the grocery store, but this is your fresh grown raised chicken.
I gotta tell you, it's easy, it's fun!
First of all, all you gotta do is you put some wood planks on the ground.
Do you do this?
You put the planks on the ground with the rope, and you walk up in the morning and you lift them up and the chickens run and eat the bugs?
Free food!
daniel turner
I don't do that.
We just free-range our chickens.
We let them out.
tim pool
Like grass.
unidentified
Figure it out.
tim pool
They eat everything.
They eat grass.
They like eating clovers and whatever.
And then they make more themselves if you leave them alone.
And then you bring the extra ones over to the dude who does it for you.
Don't get me wrong.
daniel turner
They eat each other too.
Chickens are carnivores.
And they're cannibals.
tim pool
They have no qualms about any kind of incest.
libby emmons
Gross.
unidentified
Yep.
hannah claire brimelow
Their culture's not like ours.
unidentified
Their genetics are different, so... They're not a superior culture.
tim pool
Yeah, their genetics are different, so there's less of a problem of mutations and deformities with inbreeding.
So they actually call it lime breeding with chickens.
Did you ever do this?
daniel turner
Lime breeding is the nice way of saying inbreeding.
tim pool
That's right.
daniel turner
If it's inbreeding, it's a mistake.
If it's deliberate, it's lime breeding.
And they'll do that with horses, with cows, with... You do it with sheep?
Lime bred.
Yeah, I mean, we don't, but yeah, it is done.
unidentified
Okay.
daniel turner
It is done.
And, you know, a lot of people do it with pigs if you're going to eat the kids.
You really shouldn't have a boy pig and a brother or sister pig mate.
And have them reproduce in generations.
But if they're going to mate and have eight little piglets and you're going to raise them fat and kill them and eat them, brother and sister can mate.
It's a little weird.
But you wouldn't want those to intermate, to intermate, to intermate, because that's how you get the apocalypse.
The end state is the apocalypse.
tim pool
Chickens are so stupid, they don't know to drink water when it's hot out.
libby emmons
What?
tim pool
Yeah, it's a big problem.
Have you ever experienced that?
Um, no.
It gets really hot out and chickens won't drink water, and so there's a trick.
What you do is you put seeds in water with ice, and when they try to eat the seeds, they get water.
Otherwise, they don't drink, and you know, chickens are not very smart, but they're very funny.
daniel turner
Yeah, and they're cute.
Love the farm life.
unidentified
Yep.
daniel turner
Farmers didn't get any mention in the debate, right?
I mean, we could go through a list of, and this is what frustrates me about not having the three debates that are thematic, right?
If we wanted to talk foreign policy, yes, of course, Israel, Palestine, yes, of course, Russia, Ukraine, but we could talk about NATO, we could talk about South America, we could talk, we didn't mention China!
Right?
Hello, big red elephant in the room.
We didn't mention China, right?
If we talked about domestic policy, farm policy, ag policy, land policy, right?
Gun policy.
There are so many things that the president has power over our lives, and that's wrong.
It's not the role of the president, but that is the way it's constructed.
Exactly.
That's the way it is now.
The president's way too powerful, but if we're going to give this person all this power, Kamala can't, as you were saying earlier, Hannah Clare, her answer can't be, I don't want to talk to the press.
Like, you've got all these great ideas, well what are they?
I don't want to say.
You know, knock knock, who's there?
hannah claire brimelow
You're so great, let us know!
daniel turner
Yes!
Right?
And that's the frustrating thing, is there are so many things I'd like to ask the President and the Vice President, not on gotcha, just honest conversation about really important issues that affect our lives, and we just ignore over them, and we talk about Oh my gosh, we talk about abortion for hours on end, and that is an important issue, but there are so many issues that deserve time.
hannah claire brimelow
It's important, but it's not the major issue that affects everyone's lives, like food production.
tim pool
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All right.
Tim Jake says, Sad day.
Had to say goodbye to one of our cats.
He was 13 and diabetic.
The last several days were really tough, so it was time to let him go.
Sad to hear it, my friend.
Sad to hear it.
I know all too well.
Mr. Bocas.
You know, there's only a few bags left of the Mr. Bocas Pumpkin Spice Experience.
And that'll be the end.
But we're gonna make a, in memoriam, espresso blend called Focus with Mr. Bocas.
And, uh, you know, we'll always remember.
Now we have Seamus the cat.
But I don't call him Seamus anymore.
I call him James.
Because I don't respect the Irish.
daniel turner
Ouch.
Ouch as an Irishman.
tim pool
I'm Irish too.
It was funny because I posted on X in response to the Russia story, you can eat my Irish ass.
And the journalists and the people are like, you're Irish now?
And I'm like, I've always been Irish.
Just because I'm more Irish than I am Korean.
Come on, guys.
Anyway, it's a joke because we jokingly named the cat Seamus because we were hanging out with Seamus.
We caught the cat.
And then I made the joke that we should name the cat Seamus 1 and the cartoonist Seamus 2.
And Seamus was like, you guys are bad friends!
But then, now I call him James.
Because, you know, that's the Anglo version.
We don't respect that.
Seamus, get out of here.
We're James.
daniel turner
Just like Cromwell.
Good job.
Don't let the Irish speak their own language.
tim pool
James, that's right!
He's James now.
That's what I call him.
That's how my cat name became James the Cat.
Alright, Stonebleed says, how many Harris campaign staffers had to take a screw in a lightbulb?
Wrong, they used gaslighting.
daniel turner
Oh, very good.
tim pool
Very good.
All right.
A lad who ate four dozen eggs says, we did it, Tim.
We got Joe Biden to wear a MAGA hat.
There goes Kamala's momentum from yesterday.
I can't believe he did that.
libby emmons
It's very funny.
tim pool
Give me optics, man.
People aren't going to know or care why.
daniel turner
Very odd.
tim pool
It is, in a sense, an endorsement.
Yeah.
Look.
The Trump eating the dogs thing?
I've been saying this since yesterday.
I said it this morning.
I guarantee you, come this weekend, I'll be at the poker table, and some guy's gonna go, you hear they're eating dogs in Ohio?
Yeah, I heard that.
What's that about?
I don't know.
People are saying that migrants are eating dogs.
They're not going to dissect Donald Trump's statement.
They're not going to follow up with a fact check.
They're going to have heard from their buddy who was smoking a cigarette or drinking that some guy, yeah Trump, here's what's gonna happen.
They're gonna be at work and a guy's gonna go, and Trump's saying they're eating dogs now.
What's going on?
Then he's gonna go to the poker table and it's got a purple monkey dishwasher and say, I heard they're eating dogs.
Another guy's gonna hear that and go, what?
Then he's gonna go back to another guy and say, yeah, they're eating dogs now.
And that's all that happens.
So I explain it like this.
Imagine you got three people.
You go to one in the morning, and you say, uh, migrants are eating dogs.
And they're gonna go, that's crazy, what are you talking about?
You go to guy B, they're eating dogs.
He says, you're crazy.
You go to guy C, say the same thing, they all say you're crazy.
But then when guy A meets guy B up for lunch, and he goes, did you hear in this, they're saying they're eating dogs?
daniel turner
I heard that, yeah.
unidentified
You did?
tim pool
You heard that too?
daniel turner
I heard that, yeah.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
And then guy C walks up and goes, hey, are you talking about the meat and dogs?
I heard the same thing.
And they're going, whoa.
Now they think it must be happening because they're hearing it from two other people, when in fact there was one source of information.
unidentified
Yep.
daniel turner
Triangulated.
tim pool
Yep.
Jackie Octavia says, was driving through Wisconsin and saw an anti-criminal immigration billboard paid for by Democrats for Trump.
What?!
Feel a lot better about Wisconsin, but we must keep fighting.
Wow, that's huge.
That's actually a really good strategy.
If you're a former Democrat, don't abandon being a Democrat, but vote for Trump.
And then say you're a Democrat for Trump.
A lot of these Democrats are like, I'm a Republican now, and I know, I know, I know, but go be a Democrat and vote for Trump and send that message.
All right, what's next?
Ginger McIsaac says, I put my finger on why Comrade Kamala bugs me so.
She talks like that spoiled cheerleader whose poop isn't stinky.
Yeah, stinky after all.
libby emmons
I just mean, girl, I think Heather's but not not Winona Ryder.
tim pool
I think both Kamala and Trump had their behavior wasn't so good.
But Trump had the better version of it.
That is, if Trump did what he did with Biden, where he remained calm, Kamala says, if people leave your rallies early, Trump could have just smirked and said, Are we here to talk about my rallies?
Can we get back to the economy?
I'd like to help the American people.
Boom!
She would have been like... But he took the bait.
That being said, Trump being angry is better than being snooty.
So Kamala Harris coming off as condescending and indifferent is not going to play well.
That's why the undecideds, according to Reuters, said Trump All right, let's grab some more.
Polly Puree says, Kamala came off like a high school mean girl.
Very off-putting to women.
daniel turner
Mean girl again.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Kyle says, anyone notice if you ask Chet GPT who shot Trump, it will say no one ever shot at Trump, nor has there ever been an attempt on his life.
Yeah, that was a big story.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's weird.
hannah claire brimelow
It's still that way?
Like Chet GPT will still say that?
tim pool
Some people are still reporting that, yeah.
Let's go.
Chaos for Harmony says, funniest zinger of the debate that no one seemed to catch.
Quote, I don't care about her race.
I'm just saying there were reports that said she's black.
She puts out.
Yeah, I'll say that.
And then she's in full Indian dress.
unidentified
Is that the quote when he said he puts out?
daniel turner
I don't remember that part, but I was like, I don't care.
I don't care.
She says she's black.
I don't care.
I just think it's funny that now she's black.
libby emmons
He didn't say Indian.
That doesn't appear in the transcript.
daniel turner
No, I don't remember that part.
tim pool
Yeah, he didn't say that.
daniel turner
He did have the indifference, like, I don't care.
I don't care what she is.
tim pool
Right.
daniel turner
It's just funny.
tim pool
She can be whatever she wants to be.
libby emmons
He said, I don't know.
I don't know.
All I can say is I read where she was not black, that she put out, and I'll say that.
And then I read that she was black, and that's okay.
Either one was okay with me.
That's up to her.
unidentified
That's up to her.
daniel turner
Not that she put out that she's not black, which she probably didn't do.
hannah claire brimelow
I thought her response body language was weird on that question.
That was one of the times she looked the furthest down and then was just sort of waggling her head.
I think it would have been—she was teed up for this really easy response of being like, my father is black and my mother is Indian.
You know, I am fortunate to be in whatever position that allows me to give some sort of diversity speech.
But she's sort of like—it makes her uncomfortable to talk about her race, which I find funny.
daniel turner
Because everyone wants to be Irish.
tim pool
I want to read this from the regular chat.
Vanguard says, I'm Tim Pool, bald fool.
Please buy my coffee.
Well, I do say that, so, you know.
Thanks for the chat, Vanguard.
Stephen D. Parker Jr.
says, fun fact, Haitian voodoo is practiced widely in Haiti, and like most, if not all, Afro-Caribbean religions include ritual animal sacrifice as a sacrament.
You can Google search this right now about animal sacrifice in New York.
The story's from like a day ago.
libby emmons
Oh yeah, it's crazy.
daniel turner
I have photos that my mom sent me.
It was her neighborhood.
Really?
Send them to Surge and we can put them on that mom and her church was part of the cleanup after they were done with the animal sacrifice.
libby emmons
How disgusting.
daniel turner
Yeah, very disgusting.
Some pigs got out and were running around the neighborhood, but they were brought to a shelter.
tim pool
All right, Melitesta says, Tim Kast should offer to host and moderate the next debate.
Yes, that would be fantastic.
That'll never happen.
Kamala's only going to go to a debate where, she won't go to the Fox debate, she only goes where it's rigged.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's totally not fair because I really would like to see someone ask Kamala Harris what a woman is.
And I know it seems like, you know, a lot of people are just like, it's dumb, but it would let us know what her relationship to reality actually is.
daniel turner
We will know for a fact if Kamala is nervous, if she insists the next debate moderator is George Stephanopoulos.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
daniel turner
And because that means she's desperate because George always in a pinch bails out the Democrat.
tim pool
I want to see a debate moderated by Alex Jones.
But I think it's because Alex would just snap and go off on Kamala and it would like break down to him being like, he would just go on this prolonged rant about the deep state, the things Kamala was involved in.
He'd start naming people specifically, like just imagine him being like, Vice President Harris, the question for you is on Foreign invasion and U.S.
involvement in Ukraine.
Do you think we should put more money in?
And then we start answering.
He will snap back and fact check.
And then within like a minute, he's going to be running off.
General Milley said this!
And when you had, you know, Hillary Clinton come in that room and the advisors were coming... And it would just be great.
unidentified
Just explode on this rant in front of Kamala Harris.
daniel turner
I also think, very quickly, they were anticipating she would do poorly, and that's why they chose September 10th, because they knew that today a huge percentage of the coverage would be on September 11th.
And they could say, whoa, whoa, whoa, look, today is not a day to talk politics.
We are remembering the lives lost.
Or if Trump gloats, it's like, you know what, how shameful that he is talking about this on the day.
But that was deliberately why they chose the 10th.
tim pool
It's not just 9-11, it's Taylor Swift too.
This morning when I woke up and I turned on Fox, it was 9-11 Memorial and they were running the footage of 9-11 from 23 years ago.
daniel turner
As they always do.
tim pool
Right.
So the whole debate stuff was just not in the morning news.
daniel turner
No.
tim pool
Crazy.
daniel turner
Because they thought she was going to do poorly.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and Kamala Harris on stage, it is interesting.
I think you're right.
The proximity to 9-11 is part of it.
I'll also point out the VMAs are tonight, so there are a lot of people who are not interested in politics who are not paying attention to any of that.
libby emmons
Yeah, I am planning to go home and check all the VMA outfits.
hannah claire brimelow
But she also said on stage that January 6th was the biggest attack on democracy since the Civil War.
Which, do you not know what the next day is, my friend?
Do you not know that you're about to go to New York and appear with everybody else?
tim pool
That was crazy.
Fox brought that up, and I think it was Laura Ingraham, and she was just like, 9-11 isn't today.
daniel turner
Wasn't there a debate that they did the day before the Super Bowl or the kickoff of NFL?
There was a presidential debate.
Recently, maybe it was 2020, maybe a Gchat will come in or Super Chat will come in.
There was a presidential debate that they did deliberately that coincided with the NFL and maybe it was Trump-Biden and I can't remember.
So they choose the dates specifically if they think they're going to do poorly and that's why they chose September 10th.
tim pool
I just love that they were like some guy was sitting in an office and he watched the debate and he picks up his phone and he goes, Execute Taylor Swift's plan.
And then she like, Taylor Swift looks around and then she like hits the button.
daniel turner
Tell Taylor it's a go.
tim pool
You know they had that post probably drafted and set up and ready to go.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I think they added the line, as I watched the debate tonight, afterwards.
They had everything else written and then they were like, it needs to be today.
And she was like, okay.
tim pool
All right, it was Order 23.
Was that her album?
What was that album?
1989?
1989, yeah.
Execute Order 89.
That's what it would have said.
Order 89.
And then Taylor Swift hits the button.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's have another super chat here.
Ted Thornton says Kamala is in over her head.
She craves power, is suffering from imposter syndrome and truly incompetent.
Her positions are not clear because she is the epitome of an empty suit.
hannah claire brimelow
She also needs to fire whoever's picking her pantsuits.
They're just not, they're not stepping up here.
libby emmons
What was she?
She was wearing like Chloe at the VMAs.
It was like that beige one.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I mean, she's just picking really weird, dark, neutral colors.
tim pool
Did you guys see that clip that went viral where Kamala said that she wants to ban guns?
And David Muir is like, you said that you want to sign an executive order to ban assault weapons, but such a power doesn't exist.
And then Joe Biden's like, it's unconstitutional.
You can't do that.
And she goes, Joe, instead of saying we can't, how about we say, yes, we can.
And he goes, it's unconstitutional.
libby emmons
We covered that today.
unidentified
That was ridiculous.
tim pool
Just say, yes we can.
hannah claire brimelow
That was a lot of her response to Trump yesterday.
Like, I'm not trying to be negative.
Let's be positive.
daniel turner
And that's their response to everything.
You're not allowed to forgive student loans.
Let's do it anyway.
Like, yes we can.
I can do whatever I want.
hannah claire brimelow
We're the campaign of joy.
unidentified
Let's do it.
tim pool
Oh, Mark Clancy says, after 90 minutes of hearing Kamala's whiny, screeching voice, my head still hurts.
This is another thing, too, that I don't think the left wants to admit.
They love to talk about sexism, but when you bring up that people likely would not want to vote for a woman because of the sound of her voice, they say, you're sexist.
I'm like, whoa, no, no, no, I'm agreeing with you.
So I mentioned this before, that I think Kamala Harris is going to struggle because—actually, it was about AOC.
When AOC did that rally where she was pumping and hooting, I'm like, there's a big difference from a deep-voiced tall man banging on a table and talking in a deep voice and people go like, whoa, and a woman with a high-pitched raspy voice that sounds frail.
And the left attacked me as sexist.
They said, Tim Pool's sexist for saying this.
And I'm like, no, I'm literally saying that other people are sexist and would not vote for Owen because of that.
I believe that's true.
I believe the left is correct.
People are sexist.
So when they see Kamala Harris talking like this, there's a lot of people who are just going to be like, no, no, no, no, I don't care what she's saying.
daniel turner
Yeah, there are gender differences.
Isn't that amazing?
Genders sound different and act different, and people respond to the differences differently.
As you were just saying, let's ask Kamala, what is a woman?
It would be a great conversation, but that's never going to happen.
libby emmons
Well, and it would be great to know if she would respond like Maya Wiley did when she was asked in Congress about that just sometime earlier this summer when she said, a woman is someone who says she is.
daniel turner
Oh, it's beautiful.
libby emmons
That's beautiful.
Yeah, it's almost poetic, right?
But I want to know if Kamala Harris thinks a woman is someone who says she is, or if she thinks a woman is an adult human female.
Because on the one hand, you're writing poetry to craft policy, and on the other hand, you know what reality is.
tim pool
The appropriate question in debate is not, what is a woman?
It's, how would you define woman?
libby emmons
Mm.
tim pool
Because I'll tell you what happens.
If Trump said, Madam Vice President, what is a woman?
She'd say, wow, Donald.
Can't say I'm surprised you don't know what a woman is.
And they'd go, what?
And they'll start clapping.
She'll be like, I can't, you know, every woman in the room knows that Donald Trump can't figure out what a woman is.
And she won't answer the question.
She'll turn into a zinger.
The question is, like, if I was Trump, I'd say something like, you know, we're hearing a lot about this gender stuff in schools, and they're saying that little boys can be girls and little girls can be boys.
And Tim Walz, they call him Tampon Tim because he put tampons for little boys in the bathrooms.
So, you know, Madam Vice President, this is your proposed administration.
How would you define the word woman?
No answer.
daniel turner
Yeah.
libby emmons
She wouldn't be able to say.
tim pool
No zingers, no answers, no responses.
She might try and say, you don't know what a woman is, but I can tell you it's an adult human female.
That's another thing you might want to say.
A woman is an adult human female.
But what would you say it is?
And then she can't answer.
The attack vector for Trump should be, I can't remember who brought this up on the show, bring up Israel.
Every opportunity.
Trump should have brought up Israel.
That was you.
Right.
That's a good point.
Trump should bring up Israel as a wedge issue because it shatters the leftists and the default liberals.
daniel turner
Yeah.
Well, according to last night, Kamala Harris loves Israel, knows it has a right to exist, and wants to defend it.
She loves guns.
She has limits on abortion.
She's not in favor of unlimited abortion.
She loves oil and gas.
She was praising about our oil production numbers.
So it's just funny that this is the new Kamala Harris, right?
tim pool
Trump should have said, they call her killer Kabbalah.
That's what they're saying outside.
They're protesting, saying she's killer Kabbalah because Israel and, you know, and then let her stew on it.
How does she respond to that?
hannah claire brimelow
Have you heard some of the interviews from the protests that was last night in Philadelphia?
They're saying like, I won't vote for Trump or Harris, which they were probably, these progressive activists were probably never going to vote for Trump.
So his campaigner knows that.
Whereas they might have voted for a candidate, they typically would have voted Democrat.
It's an issue that Republicans don't have in the way that the Kamala Harris campaign does.
daniel turner
And that's why they made sure it wasn't Shapiro, because they were hoping that these people would default if it was not the Jew.
tim pool
Oh man, the debate would have been brutal if she picked Josh Shapiro.
Because the protests would be twice as loud, twice as angry, social media would be on fire, she'd have no support.
The Democrats have a real antisemitism problem.
Threw that back at Trump.
And this is another missed opportunity.
She said the Charlottesville hoax to Trump.
daniel turner
Yep.
tim pool
Anti-Semitism.
And Trump said that was debunked.
Everyone knows it's debunked.
Trump didn't articulate the responses well enough.
He did say it was debunked, but he should have said that the full context was, I did condemn the neo-Nazis.
However, Madam Vice President, right now outside, they're calling you killer Kamala, and your supporters are anti-Semites.
libby emmons
Yeah, why didn't he mention that?
Because there were protests out there and we didn't hear a lot about it.
daniel turner
No.
tim pool
But he needed to flip the anti-semitism thing back on her.
He could have easily said the Republican Party doesn't have a problem with anti-semitism, it's the Democrats.
It's the people outside right now screaming and demanding that Kamala Harris stop supporting Israel.
daniel turner
It's the college students across the nation who are shutting down the quads, right?
Who are all the academic leftists.
And they're professors and they're university administrators.
They're the ones who were the anti-Semites.
Missed opportunity, unfortunately, Mr. President.
Missed opportunity.
Which is why we need a second debate.
tim pool
James C. says, I work on the Port of Tampa and we are gearing up for the ILA strike.
This will cause some shorts on imported items.
Strike start first of the month.
Really?
What's going on with that?
I didn't hear about that.
daniel turner
I-L-A, as in the initials?
I-L-A?
tim pool
That's what it says.
It says I-L-A.
daniel turner
I don't know about it.
tim pool
Association.
daniel turner
Yeah.
Huh.
Haven't heard about it.
Port of Tampa's a big one.
That one gets shut down, bad things will happen.
tim pool
Yep.
libby emmons
Yeah, new ILA doubles down on strike threat as shippers brace for port chaos.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, International Longshoremen's Association will shut them down.
libby emmons
Oh, I remember.
unidentified
I went to school with somebody who was in the Longshoremen's Union.
tim pool
I read this thing that said, back in the day, longshoremen contracts on the East Coast said you couldn't feed them lobster more than twice a week.
libby emmons
That was in the old days.
Yeah, that was true in Maine as well.
People who had servants weren't allowed to feed their servants lobster more than twice a week.
tim pool
That's crazy.
libby emmons
I wouldn't because there's Hannah Nightingale, who's at the Postmillennial.
She's from Maine, and she hates lobster.
She's like, there's just too much of it.
I'm just done.
I don't even like it anymore.
tim pool
It's crazy to me.
I could eat steak forever.
libby emmons
I could also eat steak forever.
daniel turner
I could eat lobster and steak forever and never be unhappy.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
So I went to Maine and got fresh lobster and we were just eating.
It was awesome.
I was just in Newport and I got a full lobster and they bring it on a plate and it's the full thing, but the shell just pops right off.
And then you got all the meat right there.
It's delicious.
I could eat it forever.
And then, uh, here's the thing.
Like, I understand they grow up around it all the time.
So like, no, I don't want any more.
There's steak everywhere.
I will eat steak for every meal of the day if I could.
libby emmons
I grew up around a lot of pasta.
I still will eat a lot of it.
I'm happy about it.
tim pool
I'm going to go to the restaurant this weekend and I'm going to get a filet mignon with a lobster tail.
libby emmons
You're making me want to go get some nice filets.
daniel turner
I kind of want to eat right now.
I'm a little hungry, I'm not going to lie.
And I'm a damn good cook.
I should have you guys over for dinner sometime.
I'm a really good cook.
hannah claire brimelow
I believe you.
I will come hang out with you.
tim pool
How far away are you?
Time-wise, how far away are you?
daniel turner
35 minutes.
tim pool
Oh, that's not far at all.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
Can we cook one of your animals or something?
daniel turner
I have a ton of lamb.
I don't always make lamb for my guests because people who dislike lamb really dislike lamb.
tim pool
I love lamb.
daniel turner
I have a ton of lamb.
tim pool
Like gyros.
hannah claire brimelow
I thought you were going to say because you can see them from our dining room window and people feel weird about it.
daniel turner
No, the few that we bring to slaughter, we mix up and we don't know who's who.
And then they're just in the freezer.
Our sheep have, as Andrew says, they have a wonderful life and one bad afternoon.
tim pool
As long as it's food, I'll eat it.
There's a few animals that I won't eat are the American social norm animals.
So, you know, dogs, cats, whales.
libby emmons
Horses.
You don't eat a horse.
tim pool
Yeah, I won't eat a horse.
But, so there's, if I'm starving to death, And, you know, we're out hunting and, like, the world has ended.
I'm gonna eat tree leaves.
I'm gonna eat whatever I can, like, you know what I mean?
But I would likely only eat horse on a rare occasion, but I'm not as off, like, horse is not as off limits as, say, like, a dog or cat.
I'll tell you the one real reason why I would never eat dog.
The principal reason is man's best friend, strong social connection to our culture, and it's just, it feels immoral to do so.
But there's a practical reason.
It's that they say.
If you eat dog, dogs can smell it forever.
daniel turner
Oh.
hannah claire brimelow
Interesting.
tim pool
So you know how dogs can detect cancers and tumors?
A dog can smell when you're about to have a seizure?
Like crazy stuff?
Yeah.
I've heard that if you eat dog, dogs can smell that you've eaten dog and it will create
strained relationships with future dogs.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
So I'm very much in the mind of like, I'd like to be friends with all dogs, even the bad ones, if I can try and be friends with them, and they're willing to be friends.
I see someone's dog and Golden Retriever's all happy and doofy, you want to be friends.
But they say that if you've ever eaten dog, the dog's gonna know.
Yeah.
Dog will look at you.
That's why I wonder, because I see some people and the dogs growl at them just for no reason.
libby emmons
And you're like, Ooh, I wonder if the dog's like, Ooh, you Yeah, well that'd be, I mean, in addition to that just being a horrifying thing to do, specifically from the culture that we're in.
Yeah, you don't eat dog, that's wrong.
Yeah, I would never want dogs to not like me.
I'm always so happy when there's dogs.
tim pool
Yeah, dogs are good people.
libby emmons
Eventually, when I travel less, I would really like to have a dog.
tim pool
You know, as much as people rag on cats, cats are actually pretty good people too.
And I think that's why dogs and cats are like the top pet.
You know, so like James, our cat now, he's a good dude.
He's silly.
And he can be annoying, but he's a good dude, you know?
He's friends.
He's friends with you.
hannah claire brimelow
I like that in America, rabbits are on the fence.
Like, some people have pet rabbits, but then also you could get a nice rabbit at a restaurant.
tim pool
We got rabbit jerky in the other room.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I wouldn't mind eating rabbit.
daniel turner
That's a great point.
What animals are on the cusp?
There are people who have pet rabbits.
I know people who raise rabbits.
tim pool
Turtles.
daniel turner
For food.
Yeah.
tim pool
Turtles are pets and food.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
Turtles too.
daniel turner
I mean, chickens are kind of pets.
Pigs?
Yeah.
Lots of house pigs.
hannah claire brimelow
People will have fish in their, like there are tropical fish that are pets, but there are fish that you catch while you're fishing, and those ones you eat.
tim pool
Well, I'll tell you this.
There's a story of this dude who was at a party, and they were all drinking, and then someone found a slug, and they dared him to put it in his beer and drink it, and then he died.
daniel turner
Yeah, don't joke with slugs.
Whatever bacteria they have.
I remember that exact same report.
unidentified
Yeah.
daniel turner
I was like a dare, you know, because idiot 15-year-old, 25-year-old kids.
Who mentioned tampon tin?
You did, right?
Yeah.
I was thinking about having been a 12-year-old boy at one time.
I can't imagine the 12-year-old boys' bathrooms with the tampon.
tim pool
They destroyed it.
daniel turner
Did you see it?
They're doing Martian ears.
unidentified
I would love to have seen these 12-year-olds.
tim pool
Did you see the story, though?
They ripped it down.
They ripped the tampon dispenser down and destroyed it.
daniel turner
There you go.
libby emmons
I used to have this playwriting professor in college, and she had this play that was about, part of the play was two guys having a fight in a women's bathroom in a bar, like they ended up in there.
And one of them ends up bleeding, and the other one says, you know, I don't have any bandages, but here, use this, and pulls a pad out of a dispenser.
hannah claire brimelow
This happens in that Amanda Bynes movie, She's the Man.
libby emmons
And it seems like that would just never happen.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, she's like pretending to be her brother.
She can play on the soccer team or whatever.
And her roommate finds a box of tampons and she says, oh, well, they're for nosebleeds.
They're really absorbent.
You never do this?
I mean, look, I'm sure they could find a use for them, but that's not helping the female students who actually need the product.
tim pool
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daniel turner
Yeah, Daniel Turner, Power of the Future, powerofthefuture.com.
Shoot me an email, daniel at powerofthefuture.com if you want to talk about energy, environment, fossil fuels, all those fun things.
And if you love sheep and farm life, Bristol Farm Virginia on Instagram.
We are Virginia's premier sheep farm.
Bristol Farm Virginia on Instagram.
Follow us and you'll see some cute dogs and sheep and all the animals.
Thanks for having me on.
libby emmons
Also, you did a crazy thing with the wool.
You like spread it all out.
daniel turner
You follow us!
libby emmons
I see almost all of your posts.
daniel turner
We've put it in the path in the woods to try to keep down.
We have so much damn wool!
We have so much we don't know what to do with it.
libby emmons
Do you have like a spinning wheel?
daniel turner
We've been trying to give it away.
If anyone wants wool for free, you just have to come get it.
We've been trying to give it away.
libby emmons
I would love to know how to do that.
hannah claire brimelow
I want someone to make me a Bristol Farms sweater.
I want a product from your wool.
libby emmons
I think that would be amazing.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't have a purpose for a baby lamb.
You know, a sweater would be cool.
daniel turner
If you guys are always looking for content, we can find someone who knows how to have a spindle and wool, and there's a show.
libby emmons
I feel like I could figure that out.
unidentified
What's the Instagram for it?
daniel turner
Bristol Farm, Virginia.
libby emmons
It's actually a good Instagram.
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm with The Postmillennial.
You can check out what we're doing at thepostmillennial.com and humanevents.com, and also you can follow me on Twitter at Libby Emmons.
I'm also on Instagram, as you just discovered, and you can follow me there, but I think there's a period in the middle.
Libby.Emmons, maybe?
You could also, apparently, I have this newsletter and I, not apparently, I wake up early and write it every day and you could follow that too.
It's thepostmillennial.com slash Libby.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's also your birthday.
libby emmons
Oh, and it's my birthday.
And if anyone wants to see these cupcakes with the Nutella icing.
Oh, I'm going to eat one in the break.
Here's these cupcakes.
I'm very happy with them.
They came out good.
hannah claire brimelow
Thanks for spending your birthday with us.
libby emmons
Yeah, this will be my like third cupcake today.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I'm excited to try mine.
Thanks for spending your birthday with us.
libby emmons
Thanks.
hannah claire brimelow
Daniel, thanks for coming to do some post-debate breakdown.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com, Scanner News.
Follow all of Scanner News' work at TimCastNews on the internet, especially Allaud was on the ground at the protest yesterday.
That's his favorite thing in the world.
I'm sure you guys would be interested in his content.
I'm on Instagram at hannahclaire.b.
I'm on Twitter at hannahclaireb.
Thanks for everything you do.
Have a great night.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in a few minutes, but it's gonna be Brimcast!
hannah claire brimelow
Thank goodness!
tim pool
I'm gonna try and get some sleep because you can tell that I was sick this morning and tonight, so Hannah Clare will take over the uncensored show.
But we'll see you all there in a couple minutes.
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