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Trump WINS, Sentencing POSTPONED In NYC Conviction Over SCOTUS Ruling w/Nick Sortor | Timcast IRL
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A major victory for Donald Trump.
tim pool
Earlier today, we learned that the prosecution in the Hush Money case would not oppose his efforts to postpone the sentencing.
The courts have now agreed the sentencing in the Hush Money case is postponed until September because of the Supreme Court ruling on immunity.
Major victory for Trump.
We'll see where that leads, so this won't affect the RNC.
And then, of course, oh boy.
There is a lot of news about Joe Biden.
Other Democrats are now calling for him openly to step down.
Leaked internal polling has come out showing that Biden is underwater everywhere.
And it's looking like the electoral map is around, what, like 330 electoral votes leaning towards Trump?
They're not telling you the truth.
But internal polling shows what they know Biden can't win.
And now they're entertaining perhaps Gretchen Whitmer?
Perhaps Michelle Obama.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Nick Sorter.
nick sortor
Appreciate you having me, Tim.
unidentified
Who are you?
tim pool
What do you do?
nick sortor
I am an independent journalist, pretty, I would say, known for yelling at politicians for a living, confronting them in places like Maui and East Palestine, Ohio.
Also at the Capitol here, right down the road.
And yeah, I mean, there's a hell of a lot to talk about here tonight, especially on that front.
tim pool
Right on.
Yeah, the Biden stuff's gonna be really interesting.
So thanks for hanging out.
nick sortor
Absolutely.
tim pool
Ian is here.
ian crossland
Hello, Tim.
Nick, good to see you.
Hannah Clare as well.
Hi everybody, Ian Crossland, happy to be back.
It's been a while, been a couple of weeks.
tim pool
We were playing Magic earlier.
ian crossland
Yeah, Tim rocked me like three times with some of these new decks he's got.
tim pool
Well, you wiped me out with the Cissé deck instantly.
That was just... Did I?
Yeah, I just was scooped.
ian crossland
It was a bunch of new cards, so a lot of when you're playing with new cards, you gotta read the cards.
That's, you know, it's a steep slope getting up, but once you're up there it plateaus and then you can just rock.
It's like learning the guitar, I think.
tim pool
Yes.
Hannah Clare's hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
I am hanging out.
I don't know anything about magic gathering, but I'm glad you guys had a good time.
I'm Hannah Clare Brimel.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
That's Scanner News.
Follow all of their work at TimCastNews on the internet.
Kellen's here tonight.
unidentified
Yes, I'm filling in for Serge.
He's currently on a mountainside painting a portrait.
tim pool
Is he really?
unidentified
A landscape.
No, no, but I think that would be funny.
He might be.
Who knows?
Honestly, who knows?
tim pool
Let's just say he is.
It's a good image.
unidentified
But yeah, I'm Calum, guys.
Let's get started.
tim pool
Don't forget, it's MAGA month.
Have you guys all changed your profile pictures to American flags yet?
unidentified
No, I have not.
tim pool
This is where every company, you know, you gotta change your profile.
I only changed mine.
I don't know if, like, Tim Casson News or anything changed their profiles, but I put the American flag up.
nick sortor
So did you declare this tonight?
tim pool
I declared this like two years ago.
nick sortor
Oh, okay.
Oh, perfect.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you going to observe?
nick sortor
I will observe MAGA Month.
tim pool
I have declared that July is MAGA Month.
It was like tongue-in-cheek because of Pride Month, and I was like, July is MAGA Month.
Why are we celebrating one day of freedom when we could be celebrating a whole month of freedom?
There we go.
nick sortor
Perfect.
tim pool
Burgers, hot dogs, beers, sitting on a floatie in your pool.
That's what it's all about.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
That's right.
Let's jump to the news, ladies and gentlemen, from CNN.
Trump's sentencing in Hush Money case is postponed until September after Supreme Court immunity ruling.
Donald Trump will not be sentenced on his business fraud conviction until September.
A New York judge ruled Tuesday in the wake of Monday's Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity.
that Elaine's sentencing means the former president is likely to escape any concrete
punishment for his felony conviction during the summer. At the same time, Trump's election bid
has been boosted by President Joe Biden's debate flop that has Democrats wondering whether to
replace their nominee. Talk about just, I mean, since Thursday, like the dam broke.
Everything's coming up Trump.
He is just winning, winning, winning.
The Supreme Court ruling.
When did this come down?
This come down on, uh, it was Thursday, right?
unidentified
The immunity win was yesterday.
nick sortor
It's been a long 24 hours.
hannah claire brimelow
Can you believe that was one day ago?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I was like, that had to be last week.
hannah claire brimelow
You were expecting it to be last week because they don't typically go, like they had to extend their term.
tim pool
Wasn't Friday the last day?
No, they did extend it.
Trump is just winning across the board.
This is nuts.
And I actually expect... I don't know that Judge Mershawn will accept... I don't know if it's going to go to Judge Mershawn.
Is Judge Mershawn the first line in determining whether or not to overturn this conviction?
nick sortor
Yes.
tim pool
He's going to say, screw off.
You're convicted.
nick sortor
I'm actually surprised they even let them delay the sentencing hearing at this point.
I'm shocked by that.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, the Manhattan District Attorney's Office sent this letter saying, well, we think that their claims are meritless, but we would be okay with you delaying it by two weeks, right?
So he was saying, you know, it could go to late July, basically.
And this is interesting.
I don't, you know, I don't think Rashad likes Trump.
I think he'd be happy to see him locked up.
But it is interesting that he was like, it's gonna be a lot more than two weeks.
We really got to review this thing.
nick sortor
Yeah, well, because this throws a monkey wrench in the entire case at this point, because they were actually relying on evidence that was, you know... The case is literally, when Trump was president, he signed a check for his lawyer.
tim pool
And that's evidence.
Out.
nick sortor
So it's done.
Absolutely.
And so when that is your key point of evidence that you're relying on in order to try to get this conviction, and it comes out and the Supreme Court is saying, you know, they haven't said this directly about this case yet, but you know, from every point of view that I've heard at this point, it seems like that's going to be the argument.
hannah claire brimelow
I think Merchant's going to do everything he can not to have it thrown out entirely, but to have a new trial again.
But obviously a new trial would probably not occur before the election.
So all of this right now.
nick sortor
The other thing that happens... So it's not worth anything.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
So this is September 18th.
It's sort of mid to late September.
Hunter Biden goes to trial on his tax stuff on September 5th.
So we're going to have these dueling trials on opposite coasts as everyone sort of looks at these two political families and say, like, what's going on with you guys?
tim pool
Well, because taxation is theft, free Hunter Biden.
I'm kidding on that front.
I'm not a staunch liberal.
hannah claire brimelow
Turns out we're hugely supportive of Hunter Biden.
tim pool
But the gun charge thing, I am all about free Hunter Biden.
He should be pardoned.
And I hope that the conviction gets challenged in the Supreme Court and they overturn that.
hannah claire brimelow
Did they release the sentencing date for that?
tim pool
I don't know.
What I can say, though, is it's not just this one case.
Trump's going to win all of them now.
Like, there's no way any of these other cases can stand.
All of them required evidence that were official duties.
They are using Trump's... And the Supreme Court makes an important point.
Using the president's official duties as evidence of wrongdoing is to indicate that his official duties are components of wrongdoing.
I agree.
I mean, they're all out.
So he's talking to Mike Pence on January 6th, official duties, gone.
He's talking to politicians, states, about election results, contesting the results.
He's the chief law enforcement officer of this country.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, how many lines did we see as the president?
He needed to step in and do whatever, which we know he did, of course, send messages saying, go home, whatever else.
But everyone invoked this as his official responsibility to intercede on January 6th.
So I don't really understand how that case could go forward.
I mean, it is amazing to me that the panic and hysteria has become, well, now we have a king when actually this is something that the Biden administration themselves are probably going to rely on so that no one goes after them in the future.
nick sortor
Well, so the reason that this case in DC for the J6 situation is going to move forward is because the judge is Judge Chutkin, and I don't know if you know anything about Judge Chutkin, but she is a zealot, okay?
She is a left-wing zealot that has, you know, imprisoned Uh, these J6ers for years and years and years, probably the, you know, that wasn't a randomly selected judge.
I know that's what they're trying to say, but she has to be the one at this point to, you know, throw the case out.
She's not going to do that.
So they're going to try to push forward with this case.
And if anything, the J6 one is the one that would have the least merit at this point, given Supreme Court ruling.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
So do you think that this is going to make Never Trumpers more hysterical or what's the effect going to be?
Does anyone look at the Supreme Court's ruling and think, oh, maybe we've gotten this wrong?
nick sortor
Are they not already hysterical enough?
hannah claire brimelow
Is there a ceiling?
nick sortor
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I mean, at this point, you're looking at, I'm sure you guys heard all, you know, yesterday, panic from the left.
These congress people that you'd never heard of in your life that came out of the woodwork and say, well, Joe Biden can just, at this point, he can just use Seal Team Six to take out President Trump or whatever this way.
I mean, just bonkers stuff.
Or I can't even believe that.
It's almost like, are these people this stupid?
tim pool
Or are they?
They literally live in a world where they think being a rogue actor president killing your rivals is official duties.
But hold on, think about this.
Let me just point this out for a second.
The reason why they're upset about this is because Barack Obama murdered 16-year-old Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki, an American citizen.
He was born, I believe he was born in Colorado, and he grew up in San Diego, and he was visiting family that he had in Yemen, and Barack Obama ordered his death.
And that's why they're scared, because to them, they have long known the President has the authority to execute Americans without charge or trial, and now they're scared that they can't do anything if that power is used against their interests.
Now, I'm not going to say the average Democrat understands any of that.
I'm saying at the highest levels, they're like, I don't believe this is a scenario where Democrats or Republicans are really worried that the Democrats are going to drone strike Trump or send Steel Team Six in.
What this really means is Democrats know Donald Trump can order Steel Team Six to go after Democrat assets in foreign countries and ain't nothing's ever going to be done about it.
They've got assets in Ukraine that are probably operating illegally.
You've got people like Hunter Biden, obviously, who operated illegally in Brisbane.
I don't think he's at risk of anything like that.
But imagine, if Barack Obama's killed, and I believe he killed, there's two I can name off the top of my head, Anwar al-Awlaki and Abdulrahman al-Awlaki.
Anwar was accused of being a jihadi, so Obama assassinated him.
And then his son, who was not accused of anything, was killed in a whoopsie-daisy by Obama, Obama's administration claimed.
Think about what happens when Obama murders Americans and they don't do anything about it.
Because Republicans didn't care either.
Now if Donald Trump knows that there's some asset on par with the likes of Anwar al-Awlaki that is assisting Democrats in some way and he targets them, Democrats have no, no, they have no, nothing, they can't do anything about it.
ian crossland
Is this because of the NDAA?
Ever since they signed that thing, National Defense Authorization Act, that gave the president the authority to drone bomb a citizen because they're assumed that they're a terrorist?
tim pool
Well, the NDA didn't do that.
The National Defense Authorization Act is re-upped every year, but in 2012 it was the indefinite detention provision.
It included a provision that would allow the president to basically rendition anyone at any time for any reason.
They could grab you, put a black bag over your head, bring you out to the middle of the ocean, and put you on a boat and torture you for the rest of your life.
ian crossland
That's when I started speaking up about this craziness, and I think the Supreme Court's just solidifying that that is the law right now.
That's how the law reads.
If you want to change the law, get rid of that provision.
nick sortor
I'm fine with it.
tim pool
It just means impeach Obama.
You have to impeach him retroactively for his actions that he took, and that's never going to happen because the Republican Party, for the most part, is totally down with it.
But you gotta impeach him and say, that is a high crime.
We hereby assert that action is a high crime and a misdemeanor or a misdemeanor is not an official act.
Then after you impeach and convict, then you can bring in criminal prosecution.
nick sortor
But I find it really interesting that no other former president, no former president has said anything about this at all.
Nothing about the Supreme Court ruling.
They're radio silent on it and you're like, hmm, I wonder why?
You know, of course they support this.
They actually do.
Joe Biden supports this ruling.
He's just not going to say that.
It's not politically expedient for him.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, it's not on teleprompter, so he doesn't know.
nick sortor
That's right.
hannah claire brimelow
He doesn't know that he supports it or doesn't support it.
I mean, that's the whole thing about all of this, really, which is like, and I said this last night, so I don't mean to be a broken record, but There wasn't a way that the Supreme Court could rule on this issue that would make especially progressives, but just even average Democrats happy, right?
Because all of this is about fear-mongering.
It's about saying, well, now Trump's going to be out of control and you have to go to the polls because otherwise, you know, everything we know falls apart.
When actually, I was referencing this before the show, if you watch the way Australian media and British media are covering this issue, they're reporting that it's a new law.
It's a new law that as long as everyone actually knows the Supreme Court's interpretation of existing law, and that's why the Supreme Court is there to settle these matters.
There is a fundamental belief that somehow this is going to change everything when actually it's clarification of how we already operate as a country.
And again, the hysteria is what they think will drive voters to the polls.
So they need to be mad at the Supreme Court.
They need to be fearful of Trump to have any action with their party.
nick sortor
So in reality, nothing has really changed with this ruling at all because, you know, this wasn't even necessary.
It was always understood that presidents had a level of immunity, right?
But this wasn't a problem until Joe Biden decided to weaponize the DOJ to go after his political opponent.
That's it.
That's the only reason we're even talking about this right now.
ian crossland
There's a little bit of a tangent here, but I've long thought the Supreme Court needs some sort of term limit, because I think with life extension coming up, you're going to see 150-year-olds, 130-year-olds, Ketanji Brown-Jackson 80 years from now could still be on the court.
tim pool
I agree with that.
I wouldn't agree with the idea of, like, term limits, but I do agree with the argument of life extension, because we are going to get to the point where you're right.
Ketanji Brown-Jackson will be hooked up like Mr. House in New Vegas to a gurney with tubes coming out of her, and she's going to be like, Well, I mean, it's sort of like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, though.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
And, like, when the mind goes... So I put it on Twitter.
I'm like, you know, let's... Supreme Court needs term limits.
And I think people assumed that I'm only saying that because I disagreed with this verdict, which I don't, by the way.
But I think now's a good time.
The ball's in your court.
If you believe that they did the right thing, the ball's now in your court.
You have the power to suggest, even though I believe they do the right thing, I still want to see term limits for these people.
hannah claire brimelow
See, I think it speaks more to culture.
I think we should have a culture that believes that we have a generation that can take over power.
Everyone is so power-hungry that really, like, with Ruth Bader Ginsburg, I mean, the rumor was that she was not alive and her staff was just pretending she was so they could continue to issue rulings, right?
Because they knew her as the figurehead.
I'm not saying that's true.
I'm just saying that was the rumor.
You know, but Sandra Day O'Connor stepped down, stepped down really early, fairly young, and she continued to have a life of advocacy and talking about, you know, starting educational programs for children.
It's the person's decision to stay or leave.
And in a lot of these cases, perhaps the justices themselves are power hungry, but also there's a lot of pressure to stay in until it's optimal for the party that they think you align with to replace you.
So that was one of the things that happened with American.
nick sortor
And Ruth Bader Ginsburg, she thought for sure that Hillary Clinton was going to win that election.
She would be able to, you know, because she couldn't really step down before that.
They were having such a hard time even getting Merrick Garland through.
hannah claire brimelow
Later, they were like, you should have stepped down earlier.
Obama could have appointed.
nick sortor
Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, this is the thing about the Supreme Court is like, I agree with you.
Maybe there's a question of like, as we live longer and longer, you know, how long do they want us to court?
On the other hand, if we had a culture that allowed people to retire and transition power, it would work better.
Really, what we're doing to our geriatric leaders right now is kind of crazy.
Either they're so power hungry they want to stay in power, Joe Biden, or they are being propped up so that the people under them who can't gain that position rightfully on their own can use it to get their will through, Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
tim pool
Let's let's jump to the story.
Ladies and gentlemen, I can't say that I am shocked.
Daily Mail reports breaking news.
Biden admits he, quote, almost fell asleep on stage as he makes a laughable excuse for his disastrous debate against Donald Trump.
Uh, when we were doing story production for the show, I didn't believe this.
I was like, wait, what?
When did that happen?
Biden admitted he almost fell asleep?
unidentified
Wow.
nick sortor
He did at a fundraiser, like literally an hour before the show started because I saw it.
He was, you know, talking, his handlers, you know, didn't have control of him.
And he went over and said something to some people about how, you know, uh, and the reason he's saying that he almost fell asleep on stage was because he had been traveling for, uh, around the world Right before the debate, but that's not even true.
I mean, the man forgot that he was on a seven-day vacation where he didn't wake up until 11 in the morning and had to take an afternoon nap.
I don't know if you guys saw that story earlier as well.
That was in the New York Times saying that.
That's not some right-wing outlet that came out with that.
The New York Times is saying that.
hannah claire brimelow
Because the New York Times, from what I know about it, was saying that his family is starting to blame his support staff around him, that they did not prepare him well enough.
I mean, I think the other part is like we have to look at this word admitted.
I think they're trying to now roll out the latest excuse as to why Biden was not so good.
Oh, he was tired because he was traveling.
That makes you look not strong as a president.
Today in her press conference Corinne Jean-Pierre said, oh well as you know he had a cold and that's why his voice was gruff.
Like it's just lie after lie to present these excuses hoping that you will be sympathetic to him.
I'm not sympathetic to someone who's currently the President of the United States who thinks that they're gonna fall asleep on stage and that's why they are bad at what they're doing and saying that it was a complete lie.
No Americans died on their watch when we know Very basically that 13 Marines did in Afghanistan.
I think all the Americans should be insulted by this.
nick sortor
Well, this is a horrible excuse, especially because there was just that story that came out last week that Biden is only, you know, coherent between 10 a.m.
and 4 p.m.
This just reinforces that as the debate was at, you know, nine o'clock in the evening.
It was within five minutes of the debate starting where everybody, I mean, you looked at X and Everybody was saying the same thing.
The drugs aren't working.
He's asleep on stage.
I don't think this was an approved statement by the Biden team at this point.
ian crossland
It sounds like a dig, like an underhanded attempted dig by Biden.
If he was a young, spry guy, he's like, I was so bored by Trump and the moderators that I was falling asleep.
Then he'd be like, ooh, zing, he got him.
But because he's so old and prone to fall asleep in the middle of these conversations, it's not funny.
It's terrifying, actually.
hannah claire brimelow
Especially because there are reports of him falling asleep in other important meetings, right?
This is something that we now expect from him.
Like, I'm sorry if you're falling asleep while literally taping.
I would never be able to fall asleep in the middle of this.
You need to ace it.
That's not good.
tim pool
I think that journalists are so stupid that Democrats are doing all this on purpose.
Because you had the press briefing where journalists finally started asking questions about this.
One asked whether or not Biden was suffering from dementia.
But these journalists are such, they're such low IQ people.
I'm sure if you asked them, how would they have felt if they did not have breakfast yesterday, they'd act confused.
They'd generally be confused.
And so when they ask these questions, it seems like it's questions Democrats actually want asked, because now is the time they're making the move to replace Joe Biden.
nick sortor
So yeah, it almost seems like all of these hit pieces that came out this weekend, it's not because, oh, these journalists actually care about the good of the country.
They care about winning the election in November, and they know that Joe Biden can't do it.
So they have to replace him.
They have to come out with all of these hit pieces right now and topple him, because they got to put somebody else in there.
The question is, Who?
Can you go around Kamala?
hannah claire brimelow
No, I don't think you can.
One of the things is, I think, and I could be wrong, I've read very basic stuff on this, but all of the money that's been fundraised by the DNC for Joe Biden can only go to Kamala Harris if he drops out.
From what I read about it, I could be wrong on that, but that would be a huge loss.
I mean, that's hundreds of millions of dollars that can't go to Gavin Newsom if they were to try to put him in, or else it has to continue on this ticket of Kamala Harris.
nick sortor
But you can't even get rid of Kamala Harris to begin with because, you know, she's a DEI hire at this point, right?
And so how do you get rid of the first black woman vice president?
How do you kick her out of the way and be like, okay, yeah, we're going to install this white guy out of California.
tim pool
Get her to quit first.
nick sortor
Yeah, get her to quit first.
Well, there you go.
There was somebody floating that said, okay, well, expand to the Supreme Court and put Kamala Harris on it.
I mean, that would get her out of the way, but...
It sounds like a terrible proposition.
hannah claire brimelow
And they're also on unlimited time, right?
Like, they're not going to be able to expand the Supreme Court and get Kamala in before the DNC, before the election.
Even if these things were hypothetically possible, there's no turnaround.
We know how slow government moves.
I mean, Kellan was talking about this before the show, but AOC being like, I'm going to impeach the Supreme Court, right, as soon as we get back.
Like, they're actually kind of on pause right now.
There's only four months until the election.
Kamala is not going to get guaranteed a spot in the Supreme Court before the time comes.
nick sortor
But this sort of confirms everything that we have been talking about, or at least I've been saying on X for months now, is that they only agreed to this early debate because they needed this option.
They needed to have this option where they could nuke Biden, throw him to the side, and still have enough time before the convention to re-nominate somebody else.
tim pool
I think the timing's intentional.
nick sortor
The timing is absolutely intentional.
tim pool
They waited this long on purpose.
They knew they were going to swap out Biden a long time ago, and they dragged this out as long as they could, perhaps because they want to make it very, very difficult to drum up opposition research.
Republicans have no idea who they're up against.
Let me stress this.
Right now, I think it is fair to say, The Republican Party, Donald Trump, and the American people have no idea who the Democrat nominee is.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's either going to be Michelle Obama, Gavin Newsom, Gretchen Whitmer, Hillary Clinton, doubtful, but like, who else?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think they can pull Biden from the ticket.
What if they did it?
tim pool
Michelle Obama, Newsom, with Michelle Obama as president.
ian crossland
Yeah, something like that.
nick sortor
She's been saying for the longest time that she won't do it, but as we know, that doesn't actually mean she won't do it.
tim pool
No, she'll come out and she'll say, we all saw that debate, and our hearts go out to the Biden family, but we can tell he is not prepared for a second term.
So as much as I don't want to do this, I am going to do what is asked of me and then she's on stage.
nick sortor
Okay, but how do you do that without Biden resigning?
You can't say that and then still have Biden as president for the next, you know, six months.
He's gonna have to resign.
tim pool
I think he will.
ian crossland
Well, you also have the DNC.
nick sortor
You think he'll resign?
tim pool
This is how you get rid of Kamala Harris.
Joe Biden resigns.
nick sortor
She becomes president for that.
tim pool
And then Kamala says, there is no reasonable world where I will spend the last four months campaigning instead of doing my duty to this country.
The excuse will be, it's impossible to launch a campaign at such last minute, 11th hour.
I'm gonna do what I can to help this country make it through these next few months, and I am happy to see Michelle Obama run.
And that's how you get past- I gotta say, maybe this is- I should go to Predict It and make this back, because I'll tell you what.
How do you get past Kamala Harris?
You say she's a DEI hire, right?
Many people are like, you can't get rid of her, she's next in line.
Michelle Obama.
If they threw out Kamala Harris and said, Biden's resigning and we're bringing in Newsom, that can't happen.
DEI revolt!
However, Kamala Harris becomes acting president two, three months out, maybe four months, maybe real soon.
Biden says, I'm not a young man anymore.
I've done everything I could.
There are some people who want to step in and I respect it.
I'm resigning.
Kamala Harris takes over as president, says, They say, Kamala, are you going to take over the campaign and run?
She goes, no, I'm going to do my job.
And that is as acting president to help this country through an emergency.
There is absolutely no time or capability for me to launch a campaign.
And I'm fine with that.
Michelle Obama then says, Kamala, that's so magnanimous of you.
I will step up because of you made this sacrifice.
And then the DEI crowd says, Michelle Obama, that's even better.
nick sortor
So for whoever from the DNC is watching this for opposition research, I think I'd use that, actually.
That's a pretty good plan.
tim pool
My proposal was for the deep state.
Joe Biden's on stage at a rally and mid-sentence talking about Batacaf care.
He goes, Gavin Newsom runs out, throws his jacket off, saves the president's life.
They mention in the news that it was a mere cardiac event.
The president is okay, but we don't know if he'll be able to go on.
He's going to resign.
Gavin Newsom then says, I'm no hero.
I was just doing what any good red-blooded American would do.
He goes on every single television station where they all praise him.
Even Fox News says, we may have our disagreements politically, but Gavin, you saved the president's life.
Then Kamala Harris does the whole scenario of, I can't launch a campaign right now.
That would be ridiculous.
I'm going to do my job.
Gavin Newsom says, you know, I wasn't planning on running, but the people have called my name and they've called me to action.
I'd say you get Gavin Newsom.
nick sortor
But then at that point, a lot of what you said makes a hell of a lot of sense for Michelle Obama, but you know, how do you push Camilla out of the way if you're bringing in Gavin Newsom, though.
tim pool
She does the, I am acting president, and I have, you know, she could say something like, how dare you imply that instead of doing my duty during this emergency, I would spend my time campaigning to win power?
No.
And then they promise her something in the back channel.
hannah claire brimelow
I think she's too power hungry.
I don't think she'd be willing to give it up.
unidentified
Even if she said like, oh yeah, I'll definitely step down, she would immediately watch it.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, right.
tim pool
She agrees.
Behind the scenes, they're like, Kamala, here's what you're going to do.
You're going to say you're acting president.
We're going to give it to Newsom or Michelle Obama.
Then we'll make you a Supreme Court justice.
She goes, well, all right, sounds good to me.
Gets up on stage and goes, I'm running!
And they're like, oh.
ian crossland
They kind of did this with Biden in 2020.
They had all these candidates that were running against him, and then all at once, behind the scenes, some discussions were made.
Buttigieg lands on his cabinet, and they all support Biden at once.
I could see them all doing that, including Kamala, just one day.
They're like, the superdelegates have chosen Obama and Newsom, and they've got the support of every Democrat because they go behind the scenes for it.
tim pool
Let's really simplify it.
Open convention at the DNC, everybody chooses Obama Newsom, Kamala Harris says it's the will of the party, and that's the end of it.
There's no complicated story there.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think Biden will leave office.
I think even if, you know, I think he will be on the ticket in November.
Even if they do, he says like, oh, I'm just gonna be a one-term president.
I'm not gonna go for it.
I don't think that he would actually give up the presidency.
I think that there is a desire to stay in power, to end your career on top, aka being the president.
And it's just unlikely to me that, especially given what, six months till inauguration day, he's not gonna leave.
ian crossland
Except that when they do go to the president and they slide that picture of Kennedy across the table and they're like, just remember who's in charge.
They might do that to Biden too and be like, you get to retire now.
And they'll slide a picture of Kennedy across the table.
hannah claire brimelow
He'd be like, I don't understand what this is.
I'm going to continue on.
Jill, what are we doing?
tim pool
He's going to be like, oh JFK, good president.
Yes, Joe.
And an untimely death.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anyway, thanks for coming in.
The CIA guy walks out and he's like, I don't think he got it.
hannah claire brimelow
You know that term, ignorance is bliss?
Like, he can just keep going.
He doesn't need to know.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
This is big news.
We have this tweet, per Puck News, leaked Democrat internal polling from Open Labs.
Ladies and gentlemen, it is substantially worse than anybody realizes.
According to this leaked polling data, internal from Democrats, Joe Biden is down in double digits in several key states.
Even look at New Hampshire, he's down three points.
Wisconsin, four points.
I made this argument earlier that I think if you take the 270 to win map, toss-up states are now lean Republican and lean Democrats are now toss-ups.
After that debate, it was so bad.
And you can actually see this.
Look at this.
The margin drop post-debate because of Biden's performance.
It is two points across the board in basically every state.
He's lost two solid points in key states.
nick sortor
And there's no denying it at this point.
I know you still get people like Jennifer Rubin is on Twitter all day being like, oh, the polls are exactly the same as they were months ago.
And I'm like, OK, well, just look at them, lady.
But, you know, this is clearly a strategic leak.
The Democrats are usually a lot better about keeping things hush hush internally.
And, you know, all of a sudden we got leaked internal polling because they're in scorched earth mode at this point.
Look at, you know, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, places Trump supposedly lost last election.
He's deeply underwater in those territories.
There's no way for him to win with this.
tim pool
You take North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, and I turn them red, Trump wins.
nick sortor
Election's over.
tim pool
Election's over.
But he's also underwater in Wisconsin.
nick sortor
And Michigan.
tim pool
And Michigan.
I mean, that's it!
3-12 Republican.
ian crossland
It was so transparent.
tim pool
This is the internal Democrat data right now.
Take a look at this.
Bobby Barak says, I've seen different maps, but from my calculation, this is the map projection based on OpenLab's new internal polling data, meaning if OpenLab's polling holds, it will be 205 Democrats, 333 Republicans, but I'll tell you what's going to happen.
They're going to have an open convention at the DNC, and they're going to nominate somebody else.
Kamala Harris gets tossed out, and everyone's wondering, what's the political move?
There doesn't need to be one.
She has no choice.
She'll come out and say, I am happy that the people of the convention have spoken.
It's democracy.
We love democracy.
Thank you, everybody.
And that's it.
ian crossland
I get the feeling that she feels humiliated frequently in this position, this season, too.
She wasn't really qualified.
She got picked.
Was she even running for president?
Yeah, she was running for president.
hannah claire brimelow
She dropped out, got a facelift, and came back as his VP.
nick sortor
And after she said that she thought that Biden was a racist and had done things to women and such, too.
ian crossland
Oh, and then slipped like a 180 right after.
nick sortor
How do you go from... But all right, well, I mean, but we know exactly what happened there.
And she's only polling one point higher than Joe Biden in the theoretical polling data that's coming out, you know, Trump versus Kamala matchup.
It's not good.
hannah claire brimelow
She's always been unpopular.
I mean, that's one of the issues.
nick sortor
The moment she stepped foot in office.
hannah claire brimelow
And Biden made her the border czar.
Well, look how well that's going for everybody.
And then she was on a national abortion tour.
She is too hostile of a character.
I don't think that she could actually launch a campaign at this point.
I think she could go back to California and potentially win governorship if Newsom leaves.
nick sortor
That might be the play right there.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's totally a mistake because he's term limited.
Checks out of this situation, goes back to California, becomes the governor, freeing him up to write a book and then run for president.
ian crossland
That's an interesting philosophy.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think your point that it's interesting that there's even a leak at all is a good one to bring up because I think it speaks to the fact that there is intense internal chaos within the Democratic Party.
And I have thought this for a long time.
Democrats are always like, Republicans are all crazy.
We're going to get along, but that's because Republicans are ultimately all people who have different values who are trying to sort it out, whereas if you have a party that's like everyone fall in line and people stop doing that, it's much more divisive.
And I think the fact that they're throwing these polls out would be indicative if it was an intentional leak by someone inside.
The campaign is saying, we can't do this.
We need to force the Biden family to accept that he needs to leave and they will never do that.
nick sortor
Yeah, but I mean, we literally even had leaks out of Camp David this weekend, which, unheard of, unheard of, talking about how the Biden family was blaming, you know, top advisors like Ron Klain and stuff, and putting all the blame from the poor debate performance on his advisors.
hannah claire brimelow
Intense internal division.
nick sortor
Yeah, exactly.
You know, we heard about that Biden's sleeping hours or his awake hours are from 10 to 4.
And I mean, all of this happening at one time.
They're trying to force him out.
ian crossland
I heard that his advisor, when they were prepping for the debate, was basically prepping Biden to face a hostile Trump, a Trump that was going to insult him and make fun of him.
So Biden went in expecting that.
And Trump was just super chill.
Biden just stumbled around on himself.
hannah claire brimelow
That was great.
I always didn't want Trump to come off as hostile because that was the big criticism of him in 2020, right?
That he was too, you know, aggressive and whatever else and it made Biden comparatively look kind of calm and cool.
nick sortor
Yeah, so Biden demanded, the Biden camp demanded that there would be a mute button and no audience.
I think both of those things backfired on Joe Biden because Trump couldn't just Keep speaking.
I mean, there's nothing that he could say.
He could not railroad Biden even if he wanted to.
And, you know, Trump's a showman.
If you have an audience, you're trying to get a reaction out of the audience as well.
There was no audience to get a reaction out of.
And so Biden had more than enough rope to hang himself.
I thought it was perfect.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's also interesting because I could be misremembering here, but I'm pretty sure the first person to talk despite being muted was Biden.
You know, so there was a level of like there were these rules that were supposed to hurt Trump, but it seems like Biden was the one suffering.
And I think ultimately all of this comes down to what is the perception of the American people.
And it's not one that I think is recoverable because they have damaged themselves on two front, right?
Joe Biden looks weak.
He looks lost.
He looks confused.
He looks like he doesn't know what's going on.
He keeps saying Trump is lying, but there are very obvious clear signs that he was lying or at least misremembering, which is also not good.
But then also for months, the mainstream media, which, as we know, is largely an apparatus of progressive or democratic causes, said everything is fine. Anytime a right wing person says
that something's up with Joe Biden's balance or memory or walk or anything, they're crazy. They're
conspiracy theorists. They're, you know, disrespectful to the president. And then he came
on stage and it was not good. He did not seem like a strong, healthy man. You know, what
ian crossland
really kind of cements all this, that he's not going to be the nominee, is that Jake Tapper
and Anderson Cooper are going so hard against him and pointing out that his dementia, or if
it's Alzheimer's, I'm not sure, they're different, obviously. But like, they're basically
controlled by CNN, their company, parent company, which is controlled by Five Eyes, you know,
the imperial spy club, whatever you want to call it, the deep state. And, you know, they're
just, they're just, they're just, they're And so all the signs are there that the deep state has decided to allow this criticism of the guy.
They wouldn't do that if they wanted him to win, and they're not going to let him win if they don't want him to win.
The DNC gets to pick their own candidate with superdelegates.
They have zero chance.
Biden in no way gets any kind of popular opportunity.
It's whatever the DNC wants to do is what they're going to do.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So the polling data extended that shows Biden, Buttigieg, Harris, Newsom and Whitmer, no matter who it is, they're underwater.
Trump only needs North Carolina, Arizona, and I believe Georgia.
So let's do this, let's reset the map and say North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada.
Okay, so that still puts him a little bit shy.
So let's throw in, I guess he would need at least one more.
Buttigieg, they say is, they're claiming Buttigieg is doing the best.
North Carolina, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada.
He would need one more state.
But, to be fair, how are they doing in PA?
Looks like Democrats are doing moderately well in PA.
I think Michigan probably doesn't make the most sense.
The state that makes the most sense is probably going to be PA, which looks like they're all underwater.
So if Trump secures that based on this polling, no matter who they bring in, Trump wins.
I mean, right now, Biden is underwater in PA, Buttigieg is only underwater by 0.4 margin of error, Harris is underwater by 2 points, Newsom by 1.3, and Whitmer by 0.3.
It's Michelle Obama.
nick sortor
It's gotta be Michelle Obama.
There's no other- and look, this isn't something I want to say- Michelle Obama doesn't want to do it!
tim pool
Well, why do you believe- why believe that?
nick sortor
Right.
unidentified
I think that she has a really nice life and she doesn't like this.
tim pool
So did Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
Look, she's not running for office.
I mean, Hillary Clinton was first lady and then ran for governor of New York, right?
Michelle Obama's been hanging out on yachts and raising her kids and doing whatever.
nick sortor
Private jets around the world.
hannah claire brimelow
Going on her podcast.
She did not make any forward political moves when they left the White House.
That's very different from Hillary Clinton, who we know, if they asked her to run, she would run right now.
tim pool
Barack Obama looks over at Michelle and he goes, uh, Michelle, if you don't run, I'm going to jail.
So you gotta do it.
That's it.
nick sortor
But it's also about the Obama legacy as well, because Obama has tied himself so tight to Joe Biden now, especially doing all these fundraisers, going around the country with him, and he's basically dragging Biden along.
It's going to look awful on Obama and his legacy if everybody totally melts down in the Democrat Party.
hannah claire brimelow
It's interesting that you say that.
nick sortor
She is his savior.
hannah claire brimelow
It's interesting that you said it, because I have felt like since Joe Biden announced he was running for office, the Obamas have been trying to distance themselves from him.
nick sortor
Well, they wouldn't endorse him in the primary.
hannah claire brimelow
They wouldn't endorse him.
Anytime they've kind of talked about him, it's been sort of muted.
Even Obama's last tweet being like, bad debate nights happen.
Like, it did not seem like a really strong, supportive argument.
It was sort of like, yeah, I know that guy and like, be nice to him.
It's kind of sad.
nick sortor
But that's not how the people see it, though.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it is how they see it.
I think people know that the Obamas are distant from Joe Biden, and I think that there's a level of like they expected there to be more buddy-buddy Obama presence at the White House.
And I do think Obama, especially his staff, have huge influence on the Biden administration, especially at the staffing level.
But I think Obama himself does not believe that he has a real strong connection with Joe.
It's always seemed to me, the perception for me has been that the Biden family is always trying to I want to pull up this tweet from Glenn Greenwald.
tim pool
Really interesting here.
CNN admits something unbelievably embarrassing.
Many in the media failed to report more on Biden's cognitive issues because they feared, quote, blowback from the White House and Democrats, or worse, age stories angered the White House and the liberal Twittersphere the most.
These people are in a cult, okay?
They are so terrified to offend, they won't say it.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump goes on stage at the Libertarian Convention and gets boos, jeers, and cheers, willing to accept that challenge.
The media on the right has no problem calling out Trump.
Even Laura Loomer, There is no bigger supporter of Donald Trump than Laura Loomer.
Even she called out Trump over his immigration policy for college graduates.
If Laura Loomer can instantly go on Twitter and say, I love Trump, but no way!
And Democrats are like, well, we'd say things about Biden, which are painfully obvious, but the Democrats on Twitter will get mad at us.
That is the world that y'all live in if you're following this media.
nick sortor
What the hell is their job, though, at this point?
If you're telling me that you're scared to report on the White House, why are you reporting on the White House?
tim pool
Because they get invited to the parties!
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, they're just trying to get engagements and try to keep their overblown media companies afloat, right?
They don't want anyone to say, you wrote something I don't like so I'm not going to click on your website anymore.
They need it to be something that people want to come back and people don't want to read hard things.
tim pool
I'll give a shout out to RFK Jr.
We've criticized him several times, and he agreed to do a full show with us.
He's legit.
I've actually criticized Trump quite a bit, though we are supporters of his, and he had no problem with a smile on his face.
He was like, let's sit down, let's do a show.
And more in the works.
It is unsurprising to me that These individuals want to engage with those who have criticized them.
It is, in fact, where you want to be.
Joe Biden should be coming on shows like this because these are the people he needs to convince, but they won't do it.
You know why?
Because they know they can't.
nick sortor
Well, they're going to put him on George Stephanopoulos this weekend, you know, the Clinton, you know, political strategist.
He was a top-level Clinton advisor back, you know, when Bill Clinton was president.
You know, always maintained a close relationship with them.
Pretty much was Hillary's mouthpiece in 2016.
That's the interview that they decided that they were going to do, you know, pretty obviously after this disastrous debate.
I think that airs this weekend or something like that.
hannah claire brimelow
With many, many jump cuts to make it look like there's a rapid discourse.
nick sortor
You know, they put out a video from the White House, and if he's trying to say, you know, a paragraph, there are three jump cuts in it.
I mean, that's exactly how this interview is going to be, too.
Probably a little bit more well done, to the point where it convinces the general public that it's not a jump cut.
tim pool
It's wild to me that, you know, we had Luke Rutkowski on the show, for instance, for a very long time.
And many people in the audience accused Luke of having Trump Derangement Syndrome.
And yet Trump supporters with smiles on their faces come in and sit down next to Luke and say, ask me anything.
And now even Luke has tweeted, I'm voting for the felon over the other word.
unidentified
It took him long enough.
tim pool
My point is really simple.
It's like Trump's people will gladly sit down and debate someone who doesn't agree with
them and they will have that conversation.
That's it.
You can criticize them and they'll say, in fact, I tell you this, if I made a two-hour show, just a list of everything that I thought Trump was wrong about, my email would be slammed with Trump supporters being like, let me come on the show and talk to you about this.
The left is the opposite.
They say, in this scene in an article, The fear among these journalists is that if they report negative stuff, Kareem Jean-Pierre is going to be like, we're not going to let you come to the White House anymore.
They don't want anyone near them.
It's an inversion.
nick sortor
That clearly works on some people, though.
tim pool
Oh, of course.
nick sortor
You've got to be a little bit fair to Joe Biden, though.
I mean, he just did a really hard-hitting interview with Harry Sisson a couple of weeks ago.
Oh, yeah, it was great.
Asked him about his ice cream and whatnot.
tim pool
What flavor ice cream?
nick sortor
It's a chocolate chocolate chip.
tim pool
That's the chocolate chocolate chip.
nick sortor
It's double chocolate chip.
Yeah, and you know, it's a man flavor took him it changed from vanilla bean You know within I don't know how that changed.
So I guess I forgot.
tim pool
I don't know what happened Everybody knows chocolate chocolate chip is the manliest of flavors because those chocolate chips are hard and for someone like Joe Biden whose teeth constantly fall out Suck it till it melts.
ian crossland
I think not only are they afraid of not getting invited to the White House for these things, but they're also afraid that the White House, if they criticize the president or his administration, that they're going to give them the Twitter treatment, that they're going to go in behind the scenes and be like, all right, CNN, no more funding for you for whatever we do surreptitiously behind the scenes.
And that just indicates that the entire deep state mockingbird media apparatus has turned on this administration.
That they're allowing two of their star reporters to criticize so openly and fervently, and which I see no other path than they're not going to get elected.
hannah claire brimelow
The White House, Corinne Jean-Pierre, and also the chief spokesperson for the campaign had to be like, look, we know that that was kind of a rough debate.
I mean, it was so bad they acknowledged it instead of just trying to be like, No, of course he did great.
He was stunned by all of the lies Donald Trump was saying.
It was so bad.
There was no way for them to play it off.
That's critical.
nick sortor
They tried in the beginning.
Well, Jill Biden did it anyway.
You did so good, Joe!
ian crossland
Oh, that was so gross.
You answered every question.
You knew every fact.
And he's like, Uh-huh.
That was crazy.
tim pool
Remember the video of him basically crying on stage?
You see that?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
He really wanted to go home.
I think so.
He's probably really tired.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Jill's talking, and he's sitting there with his face just like this, like, uh-huh.
And people were saying he was crying.
And I'm like, he kind of looks like it.
ian crossland
I bet he's humiliated.
nick sortor
He doesn't want to do this.
He does not want to do it.
But, you know, now they've got, obviously, the family at Camp David this weekend, you know, another leak that came out saying that they were all telling, keep fighting Joe, keep fighting Joe, keep fighting Joe.
That's what they were telling him.
And now you've got Hunter Biden going around to White House meetings with him.
And even to the point where his advisors are asking what the hell is happening.
That's a quote.
From one of the advisors to, I believe it was the New York Times today, they did a report on that.
Nobody knows why Hunter Biden is with him, but that's because, you know, Hunter Biden is the, basically they're being charged at this point to make sure nobody gets too close to Joe Biden to convince him to drop out.
They're like, they're like guard dogs now.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's, I've heard that Joe has been taking advice from Hunter and Hunter's one of his most supporters that is saying, don't drop out.
He and Jill, is that true?
nick sortor
He's the smartest man Joe knows.
ian crossland
knows. So that's a quote from Joe Biden. That's the smartest man he knows.
So I don't know why, you know, that's sad, but that's weird.
Like, I mean, they're probably afraid that if Joe doesn't get into power,
they're going to, the family's going to get arrested and exposed and things
like that.
hannah claire brimelow
I also think no one wants to go out in a moment of weakness, right?
Like, I assume on some level they just want to stay in power because of the benefits and the influence, but also, I doubt that any of them wanted to be like, your dad was so senile and none of you would say anything.
Like, they want it to be on their terms, if at all, and really on their terms is four years from now.
nick sortor
So you're saying they could potentially be trying to prop him up a little bit right now by doing these, like he did this speech yesterday, you know, where I'm sure he was practicing all day for it, you know, after the naps and such, where he comes out and, you know, tries to, you know, in his orange makeup.
hannah claire brimelow
And the rally right afterwards in North Carolina, right?
And his campaign pointed to that, saying, oh, well, he was great then, so obviously it's crazy to even talk about the debate.
Stop talking about it.
I mean, they don't like that answer.
But the reality is that when you're the president of the United States, the leader of any country, you are probably going to be under a tremendous amount of pressure.
And there are probably a lot of moments where you are functioning on very little sleep, under a lot of stress, with a lot of personal issues going on, and you have to be performing at As close to the best as you can.
And if that was Joe Biden's best, then I think all Democrats should sue their party because this is a terrible choice.
ian crossland
I think it was the worst debate performance of all time in American history.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
I'm sure there are some worse debates on the presidential debate, presidential debate.
ian crossland
Televised presidential debate, I should clarify.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, it was pretty rough, but I think the reality is that they, I don't think, I think Biden wants to stay in office.
I think his family wants him to stay in office.
I think his advisors, if they had been smart, would have advised him to be a one-term president two years ago.
And they're all going to have to go down with this ship because there's, I just really don't think that they will, you know, gracefully exit.
And there were a lot of states saying it's too late.
He's on the ballot.
nick sortor
Yeah, but Biden, I think the only reason that Biden wants to continue on, if he does want to continue on, which I think, I don't think that he does, that's just what I would say, but he can't, he doesn't want to be remembered as a one-term president because every one-term president that comes to mind, you know, you think of them as a failure.
hannah claire brimelow
He assured when he was running in 2020 that he was going to be a one-term president because he could honorably step aside for the next generation of Democratic leadership, which was presumably female and of color.
And so theoretically, they have this moment this whole time to say, oh, no, no, we were always going to be a one-term president.
Instead, they launched his reelection campaign.
nick sortor
Somebody at some point intervened and said, nope, that's not what we're doing.
You know, you're going to keep going.
hannah claire brimelow
The Biden family.
The Biden family said we aren't leaving.
No matter what we said to you when we were dealmaking back in the day, we are staying in power.
tim pool
And that's the point about Kamala Harris.
They'll cut a deal with her and say, Kamala, here's what we're going to do.
And she'll go, for sure.
And then she's going to get up on stage and be like, four more years!
And then they're going to go, ah.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know if you know this about politicians, but famously, you're not supposed to trust them.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, but like, is it the deep state who is surprised they could not trust Joe Biden?
ian crossland
What do you mean, trust him?
tim pool
Well, I mean, the idea being that he's a one-term president.
He's a placeholder.
He's going to absorb the sins of the Democratic Party so they could reverse Trump's... They knew reversing Trump policy was going to cause damage to the country.
They didn't want to absorb all that damage.
So they send in Joe Biden, who's old and weak, have him do all of the policies that destroy everything, and they get him out.
Then they bring in somebody else like Newsom.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think they wanted to trust him and now they know they can't.
And that's why they're letting their hounds loose.
And I mean, like Anderson Cooper and Jake Tapper.
tim pool
No, no, it's all the plan, man.
It's all the plan.
nick sortor
Well, it's not that they don't trust him because he's basically a puppet at this point.
In my mind, it's because he's not useful anymore because he can't win.
So, you know, of course they'd want to use him for another four years, but they know that they can't.
It's over.
It's over for Joe Biden.
He cannot win.
Everybody knows that at this point.
ian crossland
Even if he's on the ballot, you said he's on the ballot in a lot of states already, I think even if he wins or gets that, then the DNC superdelegates can still say, we choose Nick Sorter.
nick sortor
Isn't that sort of what they did to Bernie in 2016?
ian crossland
As far as I know, yes, I think so.
nick sortor
He couldn't win anyway because of the superdelegates.
Even if he won the majority of states, he still They were going to pick Hillary Clinton.
Yeah, they were going to pick Hillary one way or the other.
ian crossland
And I think it was, is Bill a superdelegate?
Her own husband was one of the people that gets to choose.
That is nuts.
nick sortor
Based on nothing at all than who he wants to pick.
He can pick anybody.
He can pick absolutely anybody.
ian crossland
Do you know how many superdelegates there are?
unidentified
How many of them convene and collude?
nick sortor
I don't know off the top of my head.
I know it's a huge portion of them.
ian crossland
I pray that my friends that consider themselves Democrats understand the danger of allowing a relatively small group of people to just select your candidate.
nick sortor
There's nothing democratic about the Democratic Party.
unidentified
Oh, I know!
hannah claire brimelow
In name only, you might say.
ian crossland
Literally ironic that they would call themselves democratic and work in such a fascistic way that they choose the candidate for you, even though you vote for somebody else.
That's insane.
unidentified
That's what I'm wondering is, right, so we've gone through all these names about who would replace Biden, but with Gen Z supporting, like, just being so anti-Israel, would there be any Democrat that could even have a chance?
Like, I think that's something we haven't talked about.
nick sortor
It's got to be somebody that hasn't talked about the issue, right?
Right now.
And I think, you know, Trump has done pretty good at kind of staying away from that issue for the most part.
You know, he said a little bit more at the debate, but it was just so overshadowed by everything else that was going on with Biden that nobody's really talking about it.
But, you know, I don't know.
Does anybody even know what Gavin Newsom stance on maybe he put out a probably put out a supportive tweet for Israel at one point, but he hasn't been engaged in a lot of Democrats.
hannah claire brimelow
He's postured on both sides.
nick sortor
Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
That's actually not good enough for Democratic voters, which I find fascinating, right?
And it's an age divide in the party.
I think a lot of older Democrats are like, no, we have to be behind Israel 100%.
And younger Democrats say, no, genocide Palestine.
You know what I mean?
So the reality is I don't know, especially four months out from the election, that there
is an obvious contender because I'm sure – I mean how many of these protests were
happening at the University of California campuses, right?
nick sortor
Some of the worst ones.
hannah claire brimelow
Some of the biggest ones were in California, which means that Gavin Newsom had to respond
to them, which I'm sure means that there are progressive activists that think he's
awful and in bed with Israel and whatever else.
This is something that I think there is not an easy way for anyone to navigate away from
and I think ultimately that's why the DNC will rely on scaring people, right?
You can't let Trump be the one to pick the next Supreme Court nomination.
I saw a post on social media where this girl saying, I don't care if he's in a coma, I'm voting for Biden because it's about the staff that's behind him.
And at that point, there's no reason to bring in a new face and trying to have to acclimate all the voters to him.
If you just believe Biden's going to be there sort of in presence only and that you're voting for the staff, you don't need them to swap out a candidate because you don't believe in it anyways.
nick sortor
I can't believe we're at that point where there are legitimately people that are being like, yeah, well, we don't know who's running the country, but you know, they're probably decent people.
I mean, they don't know and they don't seem to care.
They've been told to hate Donald Trump, so they're going to continue hating Donald Trump.
They can't really give you a reason.
unidentified
Vote blue, no matter who.
nick sortor
Vote blue, no matter who.
I was talking to my sister the other day, who is not involved in politics at all.
She liked Joe Biden up until the debate, but now I'm like, so what is your biggest concern with President Trump?
And she's like, oh, well, his Project 2025.
That's the line that they're using at this point where, you know, it's like, oh, well,
Trump is going to he's going to come and he's going to do all these.
Project 2025 isn't even his platform.
It isn't.
It's something that the Heritage Foundation put out.
tim pool
Think Tank drafted a list of policy plans.
hannah claire brimelow
And also like, hey, we'd like to staff this way.
Like it's not that they have been like, because it has nothing to do with Donald Trump at
nick sortor
It's just a think tank putting it out.
But the Democrats are using it as a scare tactic.
So even if you get your news from TikTok, you think that this is all Donald Trump's plan.
tim pool
That's all they got.
Let's jump to this story.
We got this from Interactive Polls.
unidentified
Polly Market.
tim pool
Will Joe Biden drop out of the presidential race?
In May, 13 percent.
In June, 26.
21 percent.
July 2nd, 50 percent.
So those who bought in in May are very, very happy we're there right now.
Now, here's the thing you gotta understand about these betting markets.
It's not like sports betting where you say, like, money line, I think so-and-so's gonna win.
They do, you get paid out.
The way the betting markets work is that you'll go to the betting market, it'll say, chance for Joe Biden to drop out 13 cents, or like, predict it does this.
You'll say, okay, I'll buy 1,000 shares at 13 cents each.
Then, when it jumps to 50, you can sell all those shares.
You profit.
Or you hold onto them, hoping Joe Biden does drop out, and then you'll get a dollar for every share you bought.
But there are a lot of people who made money off this already by buying in that Joe Biden would not be—imagine this.
You go on, predict it.
Check this out.
Will Joe Biden resign during his first term?
26 cents.
So if you bought when it was at 11 cents on June 25th, and it's kind of funny because anybody paying attention like we were, anybody who watches this show, knew the debate was going to be bad.
Imagine if you were like, all right, I'll buy a thousand shares at 11 cents.
Then the debate happened and it jumped to 20 cents.
Now you doubled your money.
ian crossland
Oh, it's higher than after the debate.
tim pool
Of course!
nick sortor
The campaign co-chair coming out today, Jim Clyburn coming out, and then floating the idea of Kamala Harris being at the top of the ticket at this point.
ian crossland
It's crazy.
tim pool
Look at this right here.
nick sortor
And that's why Kamala Harris is up so far today.
tim pool
Unpredicted, Joe Biden is down 19 cents.
So this means, you look at this.
You could have bought Kamala Harris, Newsom at $0.08.
unidentified
Kamala Harris at $0.23.
tim pool
You could have bought shares of Harris, June 26th for $0.05!
Look at that, $0.05!
And now she's at, where she's currently at $0.29.
at 23 cents, you could have bought shares of Harris June 26th for 5 cents!
Look at that, 5 cents!
And now she's at, where she's currently at, 29 cents.
600% return!
Not that I'm advocating anybody do anything like this.
I'm just saying.
I kind of feel like... I bring this up all the time.
We watch the news all day, every day.
We know what Nancy Pelosi's betting on.
I'm like, I should trade stock.
nick sortor
Right.
tim pool
Because I'm like, how am I missing these stories?
We all knew the debate was going to be apocalyptic for Biden.
We could have got in on that.
ian crossland
Tell you though, I had no idea it was gonna be that bad.
His voice.
I don't know if you guys, were you guys just shocked back the moment?
tim pool
On this show, the first word out of his mouth, everyone went, whoa!
ian crossland
I was flipping back and forth from you guys and Luke Rutkowski's show, but I had to like, keep evolving, because I wanted to just lock into the debate itself, and God, the moment his voice, it was just...
It was another man.
I'd never seen it before.
I'd never seen that.
nick sortor
Well, that's when they immediately started dispatching people to start leaking.
Oh, Biden has a cold.
unidentified
You know, they came out and they started... He's had this cold for like six or seven months.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, if you heard him when he was speaking to the press in Paris during the D-Day remembrance or ceremonies, you know, he had a really raspy, gravelly voice that's been going on for a little while.
And at the time they were like, how dare you say that?
It's crazy.
That's fake information that there's anything wrong with his voice.
I mean, the White House, you know, they are there to serve Joe Biden, so the fact that they're lying to the American public to make him look better is not super surprising.
We just don't love that.
But then it was the media just parroted all the same information.
There was no one saying like, no, no, I know that I heard that his voice is bad.
I mean, one of the problems with him on stage the second he started talking is that we had this sort of thought that, Well, maybe it's just like 90 minutes and he'll pull together and he'll drink the Gatorade and whatever else they give him and he'll really come out strong and it was weak from the get-go.
nick sortor
Well, the bar was so low, too.
The bar was so low because, you know, honestly, we, or I, I won't put you guys into it, but I set the bar really, really low based on just, you know, tweeting about it and being like, you know, there's just no way this guy's gonna, this is gonna be, you know, the debate of the century if you're a Trump fan and it's like, You know, and then coming into it, I'm like, OK, well, he just has to not be a corpse and he's going to claim victory because that's all that anybody expected.
But he couldn't even do that much.
I think that's why the betting market was so, you know, skewed toward Joe Biden staying in the race and such before.
And then now it's.
tim pool
This is the news cycle from 2020.
Stay alive, Joe Biden.
Democrats need little from the front runner beyond his corporeal presence.
ian crossland
Well, they're getting less than they need.
No, no, no.
tim pool
When they were claiming it was cheap fakes, when we were calling out Joe Biden's failing health, they knew they were lying the whole time.
That's why I'm saying this is part of the plan.
CNN all of a sudden is like, oh, geez, oh, that performance was terrible.
They knew back in 2020 when The Atlantic wrote this.
They knew the dude was on the verge of death.
ian crossland
I'm wondering, did Jake Tapper not know?
I mean, he was in the room with them, like, 34 feet away from the guy.
So he must have been, like, just rocked to the core by how decrepit Joe had become.
hannah claire brimelow
They practically believe their own propaganda, right?
They are not allowed to question Joe Biden's health and they were told, well, he's fine.
It's fine.
And he really doesn't do that many interviews.
So they were falling in line with the things they were being told.
And I think that's sort of what got them into this mess.
I think there are insiders who know how bad it is and they were sort of hoping everyone would turn a blind eye, but it was so undeniable.
And then everyone, including the voters, but a lot of people in the media, they believe that if the White House says Joe Biden's fine, he's fine.
They believe their own propaganda.
nick sortor
I still think Dana Bash and Jake Tapper were there to save him.
I think they were still on his team, but it was so bad that they couldn't even do anything about it.
I mean, you saw Dana Bash at points, I don't know if you guys saw this video or not, but, you know, there are times where she's on camera, like, pointing to get his attention to be like, look over here, Jake's asking a question.
And, you know, so they were actively trying.
hannah claire brimelow
And they looked stressed to me.
They're professional news people, so they have a bit of a poker face, but there was a level of like, I don't think it was a comfortable position to be in, and I think that was apparent to everyone.
unidentified
We talked about last night on the show when Joe Biden was trying to get off the stage after the debate.
They didn't look shocked.
This is not news to them.
They've known this all along, that Joe Biden's not in a good place.
He's not fit.
ian crossland
When he couldn't bend his knees and his wife had to hold his hand to get him down one step.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I think the reality is, is there anything that Joe Biden could do in the next three weeks to really win back the confidence that he has shaken in the American people?
ian crossland
If I see him going for a jog and like talking normal, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I was about to say golfing.
If he goes golfing and really does whatever he said he was going to do.
nick sortor
If he can get that six handicap again.
tim pool
If he beats Trump.
Trump-Biden golf tournament.
ian crossland
That's where it's at.
hannah claire brimelow
Wasn't that what Dave Portnoy said?
He was like, forget this, it's settled on the golf course.
tim pool
A six handicap.
That's nuts.
That's a ridiculous thing.
hannah claire brimelow
That was what shook Trump the most.
nick sortor
He was just appalled by that.
tim pool
Well, Portnoy had the funny tweet where he was like, nothing Biden said phases Trump until he mentions he has a six handicap.
And then Trump nearly falls off the stage.
nick sortor
Well, then Trump hit him on that, and then he started backtracking a little bit, and then the next sentence was eight-handed.
So it went up.
ian crossland
So not a six, it was an eight.
nick sortor
It became an eight after that.
tim pool
Even eight's crazy.
unidentified
It is.
nick sortor
It's crazy for me, and I grew up golfing.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I love Trump.
I've seen your swing.
I bet he has, you know?
tim pool
Oh, dude, there's so many videos of Biden trying to golf, and it's hilariously bad.
hannah claire brimelow
We watch Leftist Freaking Out when Trump was elected in 2016, but Trump, when he needs a lift, watches Joe Biden golfing, like, just to laugh at him.
ian crossland
So I'm wondering if...
The news media now is all ramped up and afraid of Trump.
And so they're, like Joy Reid, seems very afraid.
Literally, Rachel Maddow seems scared.
But, like, I wonder if the deep state is thinking, like, maybe we can work with Trump actually now.
He's into Israel.
He's into the war machine.
Maybe we can work with this guy.
nick sortor
Are you not getting that vibe? No, not at all. No, no, I think like basically what I said earlier,
I think they're just, you know, they're panicking right now trying to throw Joe Biden out because
they're afraid, you know, President Trump is going to win again. They're terrified of that,
terrified, because it's not, I think this is a little bit different. Maybe they had some control
during the first term, but there were so many things that were learned from that first term.
I think that it's going to come in and we're going to see a totally different second term from Trump
where he's going to, you know, he's kind of at war with these people now, this deep state that
did everything they could to destroy him the first go around.
I think that this is a war.
I think he's going to be, you know, vindictive.
unidentified
And they keep throwing around, they're like, he keeps saying revenge, he keeps saying vindictive, whatever else.
hannah claire brimelow
They use that as a reason that we have to keep Trump out, but why wouldn't you be?
tim pool
I can't remember who tweeted, they said, I think it was Arne McIntyre, Lord give me the Trump the leftists have made up in their delusional minds.
hannah claire brimelow
That's such a good line.
ian crossland
It scares me if the way he does talk about, I mean, he doesn't obsessively talk about, I'm going to destroy the deep state and scatter it to the winds.
I'm quoting Kennedy.
Kennedy said he was going to shatter the CIA into a million pieces and something like that.
So like if you, I hope that that's why I want to get Don, like lay off the rhetoric, brother.
You can still become president and like be a little subversive.
tim pool
He did lay off the rhetoric though.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
When he was asked by Hannity, would you be a dictator, he says, only on day one, and that's to drill for oil and like, what, bring jobs?
nick sortor
Close the border.
tim pool
And then they went, he says he's going to be a dictator.
And then Trump's like, my retribution will be the success of this country and everyone will live well.
And they're like, he proved it!
Trump is not coming out saying he's going to bang an iron fist on the table and then destroy his enemies.
They're making that up.
That's why Orrin was like, Lord, give me!
ian crossland
Trump they've made up in their delusional And it's the people in the media that are making it up.
tim pool
Trump's going to hire people like Bolton again, and we're going to get, in my opinion, a marginally good second term from Trump that will improve things in areas that we like, and there will be negative effects of his presidency, I'm sure.
It's absurd to think he's going to walk in with a golden ticket, a golden brush, and everything's perfect.
We're going to have some bad foreign policy, but I think we're going to have slightly better foreign policy.
We're going to move towards peace slightly away from war.
We're going to see better trade agreements.
We're going to see some inflation in some areas.
The tariffs to start will probably be not so fun for people, but it will start to heal in a lot of ways.
It is going to be a mixed bag, as it always would have been, because reform takes time.
But Trump's going to give us incremental gains that we want to see.
ian crossland
I get the feeling that the Empire, and when I say that, I mean the British Empire, it's the only empire left.
They shattered the Japanese Empire.
They shattered the Ottoman Empire.
The Empire is the British Empire that the United States has been co-opted into since 1941.
No, no, no.
tim pool
I got to pause you real quick.
The U.S.
military base is everywhere.
The British Empire is a vassal state.
I know.
ian crossland
What do you even call it anymore?
It's like a conglomeration at this point of God knows what.
But I don't think they expected BRICS to do what it's doing.
I don't think they expected it to take off like it's taking off.
And I think they're desperate to solve this problem because it looks like they could lose and that the British Empire could be disseminated.
tim pool
No, but the British Empire was basically absorbed into the US Empire.
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
It's more of a – because the Emperor doesn't have any power.
He's run by MI6.
Like, the CIA runs the United States.
unidentified
Emperor.
ian crossland
Yeah, Emperor Charles.
But I truly believe they're concerned about BRICS.
tim pool
I think the British Empire shattered.
And after World War II, the U.S.
took over.
The liberal economic order was created with the U.S.
as the primary controlling body.
NATO is a really great example of what this is.
That's Cold War.
And you look at... I was watching Fox News the other morning, and I'm talking to Allison, and they're mentioning all European U.S.
military bases on high alert.
And I was like, why the... do we have military bases all over Europe?
Does Spain have military bases all over other people's countries?
Does France?
Does Germany?
Why does the United States have military bases everywhere?
Is this normal to the American people to be like...
We just put our military bases in other people's countries.
ian crossland
It was when we shattered the Japanese Empire.
unidentified
We put a base in Japan and we shattered the German Reich.
tim pool
We took Europe in World War II.
ian crossland
And Japan.
tim pool
We've occupied Germany since World War II and we still are occupying Germany to this day.
We occupied Japan since World War II and we are still occupying them.
Well, to be fair, Japan in the past several years, I believe under Trump, they finally got the right to rebuild their own army again.
But we're still occupying South Korea.
The United States is occupying all of these countries.
nick sortor
Well, there's so many countries you haven't even heard of that they have troops in at this point.
I believe it was Matt Gaetz that came out not too long ago and was like, why do we still have troops in Nepal?
I have no idea.
It's a great question.
Why do we?
Because they can't shrink the military at this point.
They lose their grip on it.
They're not going to get their $800 billion a year if they're not spending it on this stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
And the message is we are the world's police force for this idea of peacekeeper, right?
Everywhere needs us all the time, so we have to do this no matter what.
And even when we're funding every side of a conflict, it's important that we have troops somewhere else.
I mean, one of the things that bothered me today that Corinne Jean-Pierre said was, you know, a reporter was pressing her about the debate and some of the stuff that Biden had clearly lied about on stage.
And she was going through it.
And, you know, she at one point was like, Afghanistan, it's a really tough decision and whatever else.
But she was saying basically Biden makes decisions so that there are no American men and women in harm's way.
And that's just fundamentally not true.
nick sortor
So that worked out well for the 13 in Kabul?
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
This is fundamentally not true.
And I think that's one of the questions was why do we have military bases everywhere?
Like, do we really need to be there for the good of America?
I mean, meaning the American people or for the good of the government and the industries that props up by having them there?
To me, those are actually different things now.
ian crossland
That's a good question, because, I mean, what the Nazis did was pretty terrifying from my perspective right now is when I'm looking at what the Japanese Empire did.
That was pretty terrifying.
That blitzkrieg they did through the Pacific, the annihilation of the Pacific American fleet, the conquest of the Philippines, all these crazy things that happened really fast, too.
So, like, not having any defensive military capacity globally could allow for a nasty global provocation.
It is not the worst thing to have defensive structures all over the place, but at the same time, what's it costing us?
unidentified
That's what Elad Eliyahu says.
He says, OK, if we are not the global police force, who steps into that role?
Have we set precedent now as the United States in this idea that there's going to be one superpower?
I think that's how they like it.
it. And that's his case for like maintaining our current military industrial complex, you know,
because it will China step in? Will Russia? You just mentioned bricks and the rise of that.
ian crossland
The Chinese are very coordinated. I see a lot of videos out of China. I don't know what's real and
unidentified
what's not a lot of times, but like the way they move together. I think that's intentional.
ian crossland
And they want it. They want you to see these guys like you see them all climbing up the hill,
like a big line, the centipede of all these men just like left, right, left, right, left.
Like they are arming themselves for war right now.
They are training their citizenry for war right now.
Whether or not they're going to war is to be seen, but they're getting ready for war.
And I mean, they are on like a civilian level, like they're just pushing these people to coordinate.
Even the kids, the way they bounce basketballs and then jump to the right and bounce the basketball and jump to the right, like they're training these kids to become soldiers.
That would be my next guess, is that the Chinese would go in and try and become the military police.
But they're like bureaucrats.
They don't want conflict.
I think they just want to defend themselves from the empire.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, to me, all of this is fine and good, and we can talk about our presence across the globe, but why is our border open?
Why are we so bad at letting Chinese weather balloons, clearly a spy balloon, float across the country?
nick sortor
Because it came in at 3 a.m.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm fine if we think that we have a role.
I'm happy to have that conversation.
But ultimately, it seems like we put more effort into sort of keeping other countries stable than we do about doing the basics, aka locking our front door, aka closing our own border.
I mean, this is one of the most egregious parts of the Biden administration, which is that they just completely lie about this all the time.
You know, Biden came in and took down all these Trump policies and then quietly rolled them back out when he just could not get illegal immigration under control.
And even with the deals they're striking, they're trying to make it like there's a minimum level of illegal immigration.
That's fine.
It doesn't make any sense.
And so, you know, I think all of this has to come back to, like, are we doing – is the government functioning in an optimal way to serve the American people?
And whether that's by having military bases that we can deploy our troops to.
In who knows where, or are we making sure their communities are safe by protecting our borders and being sure of who's in the country?
You know, that has to be the priority before we say, well, what are we going to do about the rest of the globe?
Like, we have to have a loyalty to our own people first.
And I think that's what the Biden administration in particular doesn't want to talk about.
They talk about our obligations to everyone else, but not to our own citizens.
ian crossland
I'm very concerned with a conflict with Mexico, to be honest.
Like, I hear people mention it from time to time that we would go to war with Mexico.
Sounds insane because we've been such a dominating force, but as a proxy?
Like, the Chinese and the Russians would use the Mexican front as a proxy, and the cartels may play a ball if they get pissed off enough at the American pressure to try and stop the drugs from coming, or the human trafficking from coming across.
And I mean, what a perfect opportunity to proxy and annihilate our country from the South through Mexico.
hannah claire brimelow
I would rather go to war with Mexico to make sure our border was secure and to stop human trafficking and to stop the flow of illegal drugs than continue to send troops and, you know, not officially send troops overseas and send billions of dollars to other countries where we fight these pretend wars where we pretend like we're not doing anything and we just lie to the public all the time.
I'd much rather— I mean, there is something honorable in the fact that you would be defending something that impacts literally American communities as opposed to saying, oh, we're not doing anything.
We're just pouring all of our money over there and we're funding that side and we're getting these people and we're not sending troops.
We're just going to put them on a ship outside of this conflict.
I mean, that is more—that's so ridiculous to me in comparison to saying, like, look, we have a border.
We have to secure it.
ian crossland
Yeah, we should have, and maybe at this point, military bases on the southern border.
Like, we could spin up six new military bases across the southern border.
I would be open to that.
Like, I would be open to more military bases on the mainland, in the homeland.
tim pool
I hear you.
It is expensive, though, to maintain these bases.
nick sortor
When have they ever cared about that?
tim pool
But I have an idea.
I mean, what if instead of building a bunch of military bases, you know, with infrastructure and personnel, we just built a wall?
ian crossland
Like a big graphene wall.
tim pool
Just a big wall?
ian crossland
Yeah, we should do that.
tim pool
Graphene wall would be very hilarious.
unidentified
What an idea!
nick sortor
Why hasn't anybody thought of this already?
unidentified
I know!
ian crossland
I don't know, but you can electrify that stuff.
tim pool
Electrify the wall?
Maybe put an alligator moat on the other side of it?
nick sortor
Oh, did you see this?
It was a while ago where somebody was like, well, if Trump gets elected, this is how the border is going to look like with a moat with alligators in it.
And I'm like, you know, everybody's like, yeah, this sounds great.
You know, why would you not?
tim pool
There's a river there!
There's already a river there!
nick sortor
Let's put the gators in the water!
ian crossland
We should wall it off, though.
That border needs to be walled off ASAP.
tim pool
I'd like to bring you back to 2015, Ian.
Isn't that crazy?
ian crossland
And that really what bothers me, I think that maybe even the, I'm just going to call it
the empire, whatever it is, whatever this organism is that's controlling the West.
tim pool
The enclave.
ian crossland
Yeah, right.
I don't think that they realized how bad this immigration thing could get and that they
disliked Trump's America first.
You think they knew?
Like Trump, his America obsession with like making America the leader still when the empire
is like, yo, we want to co-op you and make you part of something.
He's like, no, we are America.
They hated him so much that they were just willing to undo whatever he did.
Or their cronies like Biden, they were just going to undo it.
But then it got out of hand.
And now even Britain's suffering from mass immigration out of control.
hannah claire brimelow
Legal immigration in Europe and in the U.S.
didn't start in 2015 and Trump sort of noticed it, right?
This has been going on for years and years and years since the early 2000s.
I mean, even probably before that.
But it's been an ongoing problem in the U.S.
and with some of the crises in the Middle East and some of the other issues, it's spread into Europe and they have been experiencing it.
But it didn't start yesterday.
It didn't start four years ago.
It started decades ago and eventually it became so bad that you're seeing Political parties be elected in European countries where they're saying, hey, we don't think this is OK.
We think that we should cap migration.
We think that we should have a strong national identity that says this is something worth preserving.
And we can't just move in a new people because that's really the argument with illegal migration in the US, which is that Democrats will say, oh, yeah, the birth rate is collapsing and Americans aren't having their own children.
But it's OK because we could just bring in a bunch of people from somewhere else like anyone on the globe is interchangeable.
nick sortor
Paris is no longer Paris.
London is no longer London.
Go to these places right now, and they have been taken over, and there's no going back at this point.
What are you going to do?
ian crossland
Have you seen Marine Le Pen speaking fire-ishly about... There's a reason she just had huge victories.
tim pool
She just won in the national parliament, is that what happened?
ian crossland
This is the French.
She's up for election in France, is that what it is?
hannah claire brimelow
And there's a couple different rounds.
nick sortor
First round, they, I mean, I don't know if I want to say swept, but they got pretty close to it.
tim pool
Let's pull this up.
So this is from the other day, this is NPR.org, key takeaways from France's election round one, where the far right prevails.
Yeah, there was rioting, like crazy rioting from Islamists and leftists, because French people who want their nation, they believe in the French national identity, are starting to take back their country.
They're no longer just going to let it be given away.
The big problem, outside of all of this, fertility.
Outside of all the politics of it is fertility.
French people aren't having enough kids.
People in the United States aren't having enough kids.
That's the issue.
And regardless of what you do, if you want to maintain your country, your national identity, you got to have babies.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
You have to have someone to pass down your unique cultural traditions to, right?
nick sortor
But there would be another way, like, look, there are ways to incentivize people to have children rather than just, you know, shipping people in.
I mean, it's costing a lot more to support these new people that are coming in than to financially support people to have babies, if that's the route you want to go.
tim pool
Can I just, I just want to, I want to read this.
The results from the first round Sunday were National Rally earned 33.15.
The New Popular Front Alliance of center-left socialists, greens and far-left, 28.14.
And Emmanuel Macron's centrist, 20.76.
Voter turnout was high at 59.39.
Look, we're seeing hyperpolarization across the board.
These are terrifying numbers.
The polarization in France is not going to lead to good things.
People who are French and love France and want to see it restored to the beauty of what it was under this ideal French culture, they are up against people who are not citizens and far leftists who want to see the West torn down.
What do you think the end result is going to be?
They're already rioting.
ian crossland
Yeah.
nick sortor
Well, we already knew at this point that, and everybody sort of predicted that, I don't know if you saw the videos and such of them boarding up windows in Paris before the results even came out.
So we already knew that, but how far are they going to take something like that?
How far are they going to go?
And, you know, what do we have to be worried about beyond that?
Because, you know, if the people are waking up and they're finally like, I'm surprised by this result.
I haven't been following this very closely, but, you know, I don't think anybody really expected Europe to finally wake up.
I'm hoping that we see that in the US as well. But go to places in in southern France
and stuff where the crime rate is through the roof. All the locals have been driven out and I don't
know how, what do you do besides mass deportations to fix that stuff at this point. I think
ian crossland
she's talking about arrests too, like like imprisonment for people, stripping people of their
actual citizenship if they adopt Islamist, radical Islamist ideals. I'm not exactly, it's kind of
vague.
nick sortor
It's kind of based.
ian crossland
Some vague rhetoric.
I'm not sure exactly how or what, but people are, obviously, the majority, or I don't know if the majority is the right word, but the plurality, is that the right word?
Thirty-some percent, the most of any of them, seem to support this rhetoric.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's been on the rise.
You mentioned that you can incentivize people to have children and you see this especially in Eastern Europe.
There are a couple of different countries that will say – I think Hungary is one of them where they're saying you don't have to pay income tax if you have a certain number of children.
But there's a couple of them that are doing this because they say we believe in helping our people have their own family.
Rather than saying, hey, it's okay if our native-born population goes away because we'll just bring in whoever, you know, happens to want to come across the border.
And I think this is sort of reflective of the conversation that's happening in France.
Like NPR was reporting on this and one of the things they pointed out was, you know, you'll see a lot of especially young men who are saying, I feel like France doesn't have a place for me anymore and they feel like this is my country and I should be treated differently than I am right now where I'm told that, you know, I'm lowest priority.
And so one of the policies that they're talking about is that, you know, social safety nets, any sort of social programming should be open to French citizens first over immigrants.
And I feel like that is so basic.
The fact that it's an extreme idea is upsetting.
You know, it is one thing if you're a country that says we want to offer aid or we want to be compassionate, you know, you don't want to treat people who are different than you badly.
On the other hand, like if you're a taxpayer and you pay into a social program that's supposed to benefit you, the idea that someone who is not paying into it, it takes priority over you is obviously offensive.
ian crossland
And it's the most Christian thing is to take care of yourself before you try to take care of someone else.
Take the plank out of your own eye before you try and take the speck of dust out of your neighbor's eye or your brother's eye or whatever.
Put your own air mask on before you try and secure the mask of the person next to you.
You have to protect the citizens of the country.
That is primary motive number one.
You support your citizens and then you'll be able to handle influx.
That's the only way.
nick sortor
When did this become controversial though?
Why are we even having to argue about whether or not that should be the top priority of the country?
ian crossland
I think it was, it is a reaction to Trump.
I think that's what it was because he was kind of saying those things.
Well, he wasn't articulating it like that.
People were like, Trump bad, anything Trump says bad, reverse.
And like, what?
No, that doesn't mean let everybody in in any in any capacity.
But it could also happen in cycles.
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's been happening for a long time, right?
nick sortor
But it just accelerated, I mean, so quickly though.
It's almost like, it seems like, you know, overnight almost.
ian crossland
I think it was when they said, come.
When Biden and Harris were like, you can come here.
They said something publicly, like real early on in his administration.
tim pool
I thought it was Kamala saying, don't come.
ian crossland
Later she was like, don't come.
tim pool
Don't come.
nick sortor
No, nevermind.
ian crossland
After she realized, oh God, what have we unleashed?
So Biden, like, kind of urged people to come to the states.
It was early on.
I don't remember.
I wish I could find the quote or pull off the quote off the top of my head.
And then after that, there was just a surge.
And then Kamala came out and was like, don't come.
Don't.
We made a mistake.
She didn't go that far.
She just said, don't.
Stop, please.
nick sortor
So what's a little bit worrying, and I won't say too much more about this, but like what worries me about these numbers is you still have the majority of people, you know, because only 33% are the ones that are kind of rebuking these policies.
Do not come.
ian crossland
Give it to me Kamala.
nick sortor
You're not coming.
ian crossland
She's serious.
I'm gonna come!
nick sortor
I'm gonna come!
unidentified
That was the meme.
ian crossland
So you were saying, so 67% of the people are not for this?
nick sortor
Apparently they still support what's going on over there because they didn't vote against those policies.
They're voting in favor of the BS that's going on in Europe and France in particular.
Right now.
ian crossland
I think a lot of it comes from ignorance, too, because if you don't know how dangerous it is to allow foreigners en masse into your country in an unmitigated migration, then you might just be like, we got to help everybody.
Right.
And so it's like this form of ignorance.
tim pool
The challenge is, it's always low IQ people, and disinterested people versus passionate people and higher IQ people.
This is why I think we need to restrict voting.
No question.
The voting restriction should be something reasonable and easy, but I believe- Landowners?
Nah, it's too difficult.
Landowners made sense when we had small communities and people were mostly farming.
But then we got to the, with industrialization and offices, people now rent apartments.
They don't intend to own something, they want to move somewhere later.
There's a lot, you know, this is frowned upon by the left almost all the time, but there is a reason to rent.
You're younger, you want to live in the city for a little bit, and then you don't want to spend a lot of money, you don't want to put in a big down payment, you want to work a job, move up, save money, and then get a down payment to buy a house in the suburbs, to have a family, these things can make sense.
But I think we need some kind of minor hurdle that keeps out disinterested people.
ian crossland
Vivek talks about civics tests, like high school civics tests.
tim pool
I think selective service is the perfect option.
In order to vote, you sign up for Selective Service, and in response, they mail you your voter card.
Your voter card entitles you to vote.
Don't have it?
You don't vote.
Signing up for Selective Service is completely optional for men and women.
If you want to vote, you must sign up, and then you get your voter card.
You have skin in the game.
And we haven't had a draft in 50-some-odd years.
I don't expect there to be one.
But if you want a say in how we have wars and who gets sent to war, right now, understand this, men are forced to sign up for Selective Service, and women overwhelmingly are voting for war.
I'm not okay with that.
These women are voting Democrat heavily, and they're voting for war to put men in harm's way.
It's not equality.
If the men want to choose to fight and die for their country and the people they believe in, so be it.
But hold on.
That would mean the men who are forced to fight and die in wars would have a say in whether or not we do.
So I think selective service makes a lot of sense, and that would instantly remove all low-information and disinterested voters.
Democrats would no longer be able to do these big voter drives where they go to rock concerts and say, sign up to vote.
They're gonna be like, if I fill that out, you're saying I can get drafted.
Screw that!
I'm not doing that!
And then it's like, okay.
And then guess what?
All the low information, low IQ, disinterested voters are gone.
And what happens to your country?
It blossoms.
nick sortor
No, I think that's a really interesting idea, and that's the first time I'm ever hearing this, actually, so that's awesome.
But, you know, you're talking about Vivek.
I haven't heard what Vivek was saying, but you're saying it's civics?
ian crossland
Yeah, high school civics test.
tim pool
So, a year and a half ago, Vivek came on the Cultural Podcast, and that was his idea, that he said he was thinking about, but he wasn't sure if it's what he wants to do, and then later said he's moved away from that, and he's considered some kind of civics test.
nick sortor
Oh, really?
Well, see, the only problem with something like that that I can think of right off the bat is, what's the left going to do?
They're going to attack that as racist, they're going to say it's just a literacy test all over again.
How do you respond to that?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think that Selective Service makes more sense because you don't need to be smart to join the Selective Service.
You just need to be willing to serve the country.
And so therefore you get a say in where the country goes and what the country does.
Or who's going to decide for you.
Who's going to be your commander?
You get to decide because you're part of the game.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think we have young people who want to serve the country?
I mean, some of this comes down to patriotism, right?
Someone who is like, yeah, I want to have skin in the game and I believe in this country and want to participate.
They would be like, yeah, no problem.
I'll take civics tests or I'll sign up for whatever.
It's people who don't like America, but also want to say in what's going on who would have an objection to it, in my opinion.
ian crossland
I think there's a lot of people that want to serve the country, a lot of people that are terrified of getting shipped off overseas for some, like Vietnam all over again, a draft to go send people to a meat grinder.
hannah claire brimelow
But even if it's not military service, right?
Like volunteering, running for office, you know, working, you know, in public schools so that you can help, you know, other American citizens get a good education, things like that.
Service doesn't have to be military, hypothetically.
ian crossland
Yeah.
And it'd be a lot better than just complaining online.
Like, I know a lot of people that just...
Post online.
nick sortor
Well, hey, and that's kind of what I do for a living.
ian crossland
I know, but the people that aren't making money doing it, that are just doing it and going to a job they hate and then complaining out of fear.
Like, it's one thing, like, complaining because there's a problem and, like, suggesting solutions.
That's a different story.
But the people that are just like, bad, bad, bad thing, bad thing.
Like, you can serve in other ways.
Maybe that even feels like they're doing their duty, but it's not.
I think that we need more service.
But, I mean, how would you define it exactly?
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, I just think service can be – it could be military and that's great, but it also could be civil, right?
Like you could – I don't remember which president had one of these programs where you like go build roads.
I mean there are things you could do.
unidentified
FDR?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, FDR.
You could do things in service of your country that don't have to be necessarily – don't have to be deploying.
I know typically when we say you serve the country, we mean military and again, no problem if that's the way you want to do it.
But I think the question comes down to do we have young people who feel as though they want to make a difference in their nation or community?
I think so many of them want to talk about America as though it's something that's happening over there without realizing that they could actively be a part of it.
ian crossland
Yeah, if you're doing it right, I think a lot of people are excited because we do need a reinvestiture in our infrastructure.
We need another industrialization.
Like, the New Deal.
Not this goofy thing called the Green New Deal.
I'm talking about a complete revamp of our roads using graphene, putting them in so they last three times longer.
New buildings, new houses, new rails so that the railways don't get warped.
Like, we could send 30 million people to work on taxpayer dollars.
We'd have to print a lot of money, but we might end up making money in the process.
tim pool
The problem is, if we do that, who's going to fund blowing up children overseas?
ian crossland
The British.
nick sortor
And the 800 military bases we were just talking about.
tim pool
Yeah, look, you know, sure we could fix our roads and fix the plumbing and build new housing and schools and libraries, but There are Russians in Ukraine that I just plumb don't like.
ian crossland
I mean, Russia and Alaska are like, I don't know, a hundred miles away from each other, so like an invasion from the north, we would need strong rails to get from the east coast to the west coast in six hours.
We need high-speed rails to get our troops across the country just for national defense.
hannah claire brimelow
I prefer you to write to Pete Buttigieg, who's really managing all of this super well.
ian crossland
And from the South to the North, too.
Like, I'd be open to building a high-speed rail from Los Angeles to Alaska.
unidentified
Why can't we do that?
hannah claire brimelow
Crash and spill chemicals everywhere.
That'd be great, too.
nick sortor
Oh, jeez.
The East Palestine thing.
Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, I confronted him there in East Palestine, Ohio.
Pete Buttigieg, we were talking about.
And, you know, I asked him, like, specifically, You know, why do you keep blaming Trump for all your failures?
You've been in office for years now.
Why do you keep blaming Trump for that?
Because he doesn't actually do anything.
He's not capable of doing anything either.
But the Democrats have been trying to build that high-speed rail out in California for the longest time.
It goes to nowhere.
Who wants to go from Bakersfield to Modesto, California?
You know, it costs $10 billion already and they haven't done anything.
So the question is, you know, because you're talking about, okay, we need to improve our infrastructure and build new rail and stuff.
Are we even capable of doing that anymore?
Where did we go wrong?
Why are we so bad at this now?
ian crossland
Well, there's like a... It's not the money!
No, it's more of an ignorance problem because I think people don't understand the materials that we would use.
We'd use new materials like graphene instead of iron, you know, for our railways.
We'd have like really lightweight, strong rails that would last us 60 years and wouldn't warp.
But once people figure out how, then they get excited and they realize they can.
It's just a matter of, I guess, education about how to do it and then incentivizing people to actually do it by using taxpayer dollars or by subsidizing the private sector and getting industry to go ahead and start building.
I'd love to see that high-speed rail out of California get finished.
I don't know much about it, to be honest.
nick sortor
Well, I think it's a total crap show, and it always has been.
It's how many tens of billions of dollars over budget at this point?
They haven't done anything.
I think that what they've completed so far was an overpass.
That's what I read anyway.
That's the only part of the...
Uh, of the new span that's been built in the past 10 years or something.
Just something crazy.
It's almost like, it's almost a joke at this point.
We've got Gavin Newsom even backing off of it.
hannah claire brimelow
And, you know... Well, he's preparing to run for president.
He can't be associated with failed infrastructure projects.
nick sortor
Exactly, exactly.
ian crossland
We could model off of these foreign countries that are building them.
I think Japan has one now, maybe.
nick sortor
Look at China's high-speed rail network.
It's incredible.
ian crossland
They're ready for war.
They're preparing for war.
They're preparing to ship their troops across the country in a matter of hours.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think they're shipping them.
I think they're just coming across the southern border.
ian crossland
That's true, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm not, like, I wish I was being totally hyperbolic, but again, you see that, like, this stereotype of it's like, oh, people from Mexico are crossing the southern border.
Yes, that does happen, but the majority of people are not.
They're from other South American countries or even China.
What does that tell you?
That they're like, hey, I think I know how to get in there.
nick sortor
But why is nobody answering the question as to how they're getting there?
How are these massive groups of military-age Chinese men getting into Southern California?
Because that's where they're all going now.
Big groups of them.
You're telling me the Chinese don't know this?
The Chinese government tracks every single movement in that country.
They know how these people are getting there.
ian crossland
Do you think they're coming through the Darien Gap in Panama?
nick sortor
No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying they're leaving China And the Chinese government knows that they're coming over here.
But how much of a hand do they have in it?
It seems like they would have to have some sort of a hand to get thousands and thousands of Chinese people into the United States.
ian crossland
Yeah, if they didn't, they'd be contacting our government and be like, give us our people back.
There's people over there.
We want them.
Don't let them be there.
That's obvious.
It seems pretty obvious they want them here.
And to continue on with what you're saying about the Californian high-speed rail, is that a state project?
Is that all state-funded?
That's a problem, because states run out of money really quick.
But if we use the Federal Reserve to print $3 trillion, pay it forward, maybe in eight years that $3 trillion is going to be worth $35 trillion in value because of the amount of cost reduction and things.
That might be a viable investment that we could actually get done.
unidentified
The white pill here is Elon's trying to just put trains on roads via his, uh, the actual semi, the Tesla semi.
And because they're autonomous, you'd have one driver for like 10 Tesla semis, virtually a train on our existing roadways.
So he's, I mean, he's rejecting rails.
tim pool
We're far away from that solution, but it is coming.
Uh, as much as I love my Tesla, ah, dude, this thing has nearly killed me several times.
ian crossland
What kind of things has it done?
tim pool
Well, you cannot rely on self-driving right now.
And with all due respect, I'm a big fan of Elon Musk.
I'm a big fan of self-driving.
I use it most of the time.
But you better keep your hands on the wheel.
I was driving in Hagerstown.
I was going to the skate park.
And there's a car in front of me.
Did not stop abruptly.
Started slowing down and went to make a right turn into a parking lot.
And the Tesla did not stop.
And it is only because I jammed the wheel as hard as I could to the left that I was inches away from hitting this car.
And then it was like, brrp, brrp, brrp, and I was like, Autopilot's engaged, what happened?
And I was like, you were gonna hit that car?
hannah claire brimelow
There was a report like two weeks ago from California of this Tesla in Autopilot crashing into a cop car.
I mean like it's it's I'm happy if you guys want to like I think technology sometimes you have to have people try it and that's sort of the function that Tesla owners are in right now they're trying out the self-driving mode but it's it's not a reliable source right now the other part is like it's coming and I'm assuming this is a newer coming but it also is another infrastructure issue like we talk about it right now with EVs uh I think it's uh Wyoming banned the sale of EVs because they're like look The issue is that we don't have charging ports in enough places and it's causing all kinds of issues and we don't have the money to fund that.
So it's not helping us.
The other part is, on top of that, that if a Tesla gets into an accident and its battery catches on fire, you can't just spray water on it, which conducts electricity, to put the fire out.
So then you have to equip every single fire truck and first responder with, I think it's like a powder that you throw on these kinds of batteries.
tim pool
The issue isn't the electricity.
It's the alkali metal.
hannah claire brimelow
It's not that either one of these things are bad.
tim pool
When you spray lithium with water, you're just, you're oxidizing the lithium, which creates an, I believe, an exothermic reaction.
So you're actually just going, like, you can't mix water and lithium.
hannah claire brimelow
So either way, the point stands, like, you can't just send a regular fire truck to go spray water on this thing.
You have to equip it with another way of putting out these fires.
So again, like, it's not that I am anti, I am anti-technology in so many senses.
But in this case, you know, I love the creativity.
It would be cool.
ian crossland
On the other hand, these are not solutions that we'll get any We need better batteries and roads that charge the cars from underneath.
In Britain, they're experimenting with these.
They've got stretches of roads where it'll charge your electric car as you drive over it.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, Britain's a smaller landmass, so it'll always be easier to make these mass changes than it will in America.
tim pool
No, no, no, we're going to go to SuperChats, so get your last point in.
nick sortor
But where did all this bipartisan infrastructure bill or whatever, the $1.3 trillion, where did all that money go?
Because, you know, you're talking about a lot of it was supposed to be for charging stations and such.
Where have they built these charging stations?
ian crossland
I hope that they are doing underground building, because I haven't seen it.
They've only popped up a small number.
hannah claire brimelow
The secret underground city?
ian crossland
I hope they're getting the wiring done ahead of time, and then they're going to pop all the charging stations up at once, I hope.
Because it doesn't look like a lot's come out of this yet.
nick sortor
Pete Buttigieg was taking some heat for that the other day.
I think Elon Musk even tweeted about it, being like, OK, $10 billion has been spent, and there is one new charging station.
Let me read that again.
One new charging station.
ian crossland
I'd like to see how much of that is administrative costs.
tim pool
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We've got some silly stories for you that you're gonna rather enjoy, and we'll have a good laugh, because we will not be having one tomorrow, as we will be taking off for the holiday weekend, so this will be, we're only gonna have two this week, but we'll read your Super Chats right now.
We hope not.
We hope not.
Well, Raymond, I'm buying it, and I'm going to call it whatever I want from now on.
From now on it's called Vice!
says, Tim, you big city folks come to the woods to tell us how to pronounce names we
grew up with.
Harumph, I say.
Weiss Markets is pronounced Weiss, good sir.
Well, Raymond, I'm buying it and I'm going to call it whatever I want from now on.
From now on it's called Weiss.
Weiss Supermarket.
Now I think it's like, it's German, right?
ian crossland
That's, it'd be Weiss if it was German.
tim pool
It'd be Weiss.
Isn't it?
unidentified
Somebody call the CEO.
hannah claire brimelow
They must have a pronunciation tab on their About section on their website.
tim pool
Weiss?
Weiss.
Is it Weiss?
unidentified
There's a Weiss potato chips in PA too, like a brand.
tim pool
W-E-I-S though.
unidentified
Right, so I've always heard Weiss, and I'm from the area, so.
tim pool
Right, everyone says Weiss.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But I'm like, if it's German, it'd be Weiss.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Weiss sounds cooler anyway.
unidentified
Let's go.
tim pool
What a good dad.
Yeah, that'd be fun.
I'll be attending the New Kids on the Block concert during your show.
My wife and kids' happiness matters more, I guess.
Please invite said band onto the Culture Show so I can finally get my wife to watch.
hannah claire brimelow
What a good dad.
tim pool
That'd be fun. I'd be totally down for that.
hannah claire brimelow
I like when we get messages like that where it's like dad's like,
my wife's in labor, it's her birthday, I'm going to this thing with my kids.
Like, this is what we need. Active family men in America.
ian crossland
The new kids on the block were huge when I was in third grade.
unidentified
Really?
ian crossland
All the girls loved them so much and we were all so jealous.
hannah claire brimelow
Did I know any of their songs?
nick sortor
You're just aging yourself over there.
hannah claire brimelow
What was their biggest song?
ian crossland
Right stuff.
Oh, oh, oh.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
I remember that one.
All right, Aquafan says, I find it odd to say 4th of July.
I don't celebrate 25th of December.
I celebrate Christmas.
Likewise, I don't say celebrate 4th of July.
I say celebrate Independence Day.
Did you know that the signing was July 2nd?
nick sortor
Hmm.
tim pool
Yeah.
nick sortor
Does he celebrate MAGA month?
I mean, let's see.
tim pool
Are you celebrating MAGA month over there?
MAGA month.
Every corporation's got to change their profile photos to red, white, and blue.
That's what we do.
Mega month.
America month.
We don't just get one day.
Where does it come from?
I assume it has something to do with the ease of dyes back in the day.
Access.
Because basically every country is red, white, and blue.
A lot of them.
You ever see those?
You know what's really funny?
I always love pointing out the Dutch flags that are everywhere.
And they say open on them.
Have you noticed that?
Businesses will fly a Dutch flag with open on it.
And I'm like, is that related to like mercantilism from like back in the days of the Dutch flag would fly and people knew there was a trading post or something?
hannah claire brimelow
There was a Dutch market where I grew up, like a really small store run by the daughter of Dutch immigrants and they always had it and she was like, see, it makes sense here.
tim pool
I think it might.
Maybe I'm just making something up, but.
Dutch mercantilism in the colonies and so they would fly the Dutch flag and people would know it's a trading post and now all the businesses fly a Dutch flag that says open on the flag so people know there's business there.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
It could be.
This is saying that the red, white, and blue are symbolic of different virtues that they wanted.
It doesn't say anything about dye, but I could be wrong.
tim pool
But every country is red, white, and blue.
Russia, France, Dutch, America.
hannah claire brimelow
They're good values.
People want to have these things in common.
tim pool
Red, white, and blue.
Let's go.
How do people with Biden's campaign basically in the gutter, does Trump still need to be strategic with his VP pick, or does he have leeway now to pick Vivek or Tulsi?
He hasn't got leeway, but I think he still should be strategic.
ian crossland
Trump.
tim pool
What did you discover?
ian crossland
There are two flags.
The open flag and the Dutch flag.
They look similar, but they're different flags, actually.
So they're flying the open flag.
It's not the Dutch flag, even though I guess maybe it looks nearly identical.
tim pool
Identical.
It's red, white, and blue.
Red from the top, blue on the bottom.
ian crossland
It says it's the same colors as the Dutch flag.
Red, white, and blue.
Often used by small businesses, shops, and restaurants to indicate that they're open.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
The connection originated from the Dutch flag during the Dutch Golden Age.
So it sounds like you're right.
Dutch ships would fly the flag, but due to the high cost of orange dye, they'd substitute it with red.
And then these red flags would then be left in markets and ports where shop owners and traders would take them.
And sew the word open onto them.
tim pool
My presumption was mostly correct.
ian crossland
Leftover flags from the Dutch.
tim pool
The Dutch would fly flags to the trading post.
People assumed that meant merchants and trade.
And so it has become a tradition in America to fly a Dutch flag with the word open on it.
Now it is the open flag.
Because there was like a gas station with 50 of them.
unidentified
And I was like, it's just weird that you're flying all these Dutch flags.
tim pool
But I get it.
It makes sense.
hannah claire brimelow
You're really pro-Dutch people.
nick sortor
You're not going to learn that on any other podcast.
It's still unclear.
ian crossland
No one knows for sure where, but that's kind of the idea.
tim pool
That's gotta be it.
ian crossland
Conclusion.
Thanks, AI.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Max Reddick says, love to see you call out Destiny on X. I feel like I'm slowly losing more respect for him.
Looking forward to the next time he's on IRL or the Culture War.
Well, this was because we're at this point where I know Destiny's not stupid.
I know the Krasensteins aren't stupid.
So when they make these posts where they're like, well, yeah, but, you know, Joe Biden did this.
I'm like, dude, no one believes you guys actually think this.
nick sortor
You wouldn't shower with your daughter too?
tim pool
But there are stupid liberals that we know are cognitively lacking and they can't comprehend basic You know, political function.
Destiny's a smart guy.
I know he reads the news.
There is no way that he and David Pakman and the Krasensteins are not aware that what they're saying is false.
An example I'd like to give in reference to David Pakman is when, I believe it was, Ted Cruz was on Meet the Press, and they asked him, do you really believe that Ukraine interfered in the election to help Hillary Clinton?
And Ted Cruz was like, It was in the New York Times.
And then you hear a producer start laughing.
And David Pakman, in his video, is like, I can't believe this guy.
They're laughing at him!
And I'm like, I know David reads the news.
I know he read the New York Times and Politico.
I know he knows that story is true.
I'm gonna pull it up.
I'm gonna pull up so you can see.
Ukraine.
Interfere.
Trump.
Politico.
Back in 2017.
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfired.
There you go.
Let's pull this one up.
This is it.
January 11, 2017.
Ukrainian effort to sabotage Trump backfire.
This is what led to Manafort's criminal conviction.
The Ukrainians were trying to help Hillary Clinton win the 2016 election.
Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump
by publicly questioning his fitness for office.
They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption
and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election.
And they helped Clinton allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisors,
a Politico investigation found.
And David Pakman is like, He's so stupid, they're laughing at him.
And I'm like, David, I know you read this.
I know you know the news.
I know you're lying.
Unless you really are stupid, I guess.
I don't know.
Can't use Google?
ian crossland
With Steve and Destiny, I know he's smart.
tim pool
There's no way he's not reading these stories.
ian crossland
He may not be reading because he does talk a lot and listen a lot.
So he might not read as much news.
I don't know.
But he's so smart.
I wonder if he's playing controlled opposition on purpose sometimes.
tim pool
Make money?
ian crossland
Yeah, and to generate controversy, and to get the conversation flowing.
tim pool
Oh, the Krasensteins, for sure.
They're playing the heel.
Like, that's it.
There's no way you follow Elon Musk, you understand the arguments he's made, and the reasons for his actions, and then come out on the other side of it.
Like, when things attack Elon, they come to his defense.
The argument being like, well, he supported their free speech.
And I'm like, yeah, dude.
You cannot live in the same perspective as Elon Musk, and then disagree with these things that are coming in the press.
Because we're not arguing politics.
No one here is arguing, I don't know, tax policy.
We're arguing, is Biden cognitively fit?
And we've known since 2020 and before that the answer is no, and the media has lied about it.
We now know because they're starting to admit it.
Glenn Greenwald roasting them.
They've known the whole time, but they don't want to admit it because they'll lose access.
So when we were pointing out all of these videos of Biden stumbling and bumbling and saying nonsense words, the media called them cheap fakes.
Because they were worried they would lose access to the White House.
That is Destiny.
That is David Pakman.
That is the Krasensteins.
They lie to you because they're scared of losing access.
How fun.
nick sortor
Yeah, I think you have, you know, people say all the time, it's like, oh, well, somebody, uh, somebody like, you know, I know I brought up Harry Sisson a couple times tonight, but he's been in the news a lot.
Harry is not, I, I, look, I've, I've known Harry for over a year now.
He is not a stupid person, but he is saying what is going to, what his, number one, what his base wants to hear, and number two, what the, the, the regime wants to hear.
And it's paying off for him well.
I mean, look, he's getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
He thrives off the controversy.
Because every time somebody like us attacks him, every time I bring up his name on a show like this, his name ID goes up, his TikTok grows.
Fox News was pushing his tweets out yesterday.
hannah claire brimelow
All press is good press.
nick sortor
All press is good press for some of these people, and it's working for him.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
Cameron Keir says, how long until the New York Times starts running stories about the 10% for the big guy?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
They're going to start coming out and saying all of these things are true because the move now is to get Joe Biden to resign.
Or drop out or whatever.
Open convention, maybe?
ian crossland
Yeah, I can see that as a threat behind the scenes, that they're like, look, Joe, we're going public with everything, unless you step aside.
nick sortor
So they're using it as like a bargaining chip at this point, where you step aside.
tim pool
Gabriel Lopez says, life extension is not happening.
We have prevented people from dying earlier, but not extended life in any way.
Genesis 6.3, God, right before the flood, God put a cap of 120 years on us.
Well, my understanding, and this is cursory scientific review, is that the average human being has a potential lifespan of 190 years before absolute collapse.
However, this would require, like, perfect cellular regeneration in line with, like,
standard aging.
So the issue typically is that by the time we reach around 79, 80 years old, the defects
have piled up to the point where an organ fails and then you get a cascade failure.
But generally, based on telomeres breaking down and the aging process, the estimate is
that even with perfect medical intervention, humans can't live past around 190, because
then your cells just collapse.
You turn into jelly.
You're done.
nick sortor
How old do you want to live to, though?
I mean, it seems like after a certain point, I mean, do you want to live much longer than Joe Biden?
tim pool
I want to live until I don't want to live anymore.
The question is, how long do you want to be old?
And so there's these great philosophical discussions that I recommend people Google search and read about.
And the question that people often bring up is, oh, you get old, you don't want to live anymore.
People say, I'm too old.
No, the question is, How old do you want to be and for how long?
So I think research surveys typically find that people, if a person was 24 forever, they'd never want to die.
nick sortor
Sure.
tim pool
Why would you?
And the challenge for the most part for older people The reason why older people get to the point where they say they want to die is not because they're in physical pain.
I mean, some people are.
It's because their friends are all dead.
And it's a culture clash.
So, you know, people really don't understand the... I don't think people think deeply about culture shock and how important it is to understand.
If you today teleported 50 years into the past, it would be very, very hard for you to navigate that world.
How do you set a meeting?
How do you find the news?
What do you do?
Now, we understand TV and news and radio and all that stuff, but you're going to be like, I am not used to having to ask someone to meet me at a location, using a map, having to memorize 30 phone numbers.
Nobody does it anymore.
ian crossland
I used to, that's why.
I used to read through my book of phone numbers and memorize everybody's name and number.
tim pool
But it's worse than that, too, because that's technological shock.
The culture shock would be that if you today went back a hundred years, you would not like it.
Not a single conservative Christian Trump-supporting American would want to live a hundred years ago under blasphemy laws.
You wouldn't want to live under those laws, even Christian ones.
There's a lot of Christians who are probably saying right now, that's great, Yeah, I think they'd not enjoy it.
And I think that's why modern conservatives are fans of free speech.
But going back in the day, swearing in public and getting arrested?
Nah, people would be like, this is a little too much for me.
I kind of think that we've done pretty well, but we're upset about degeneracy.
That I can respect.
ian crossland
Mick Jagger has a lot of young friends.
I was just watching him.
He said a lot of his people his age have died in scenes like that.
I guess that's why I got a lot of young friends.
And he's super youthful for being, what, 85 or whatever the hell he's dancing on stage.
I don't know yet.
80-something, I think.
Pretty impressive.
tim pool
All right.
VeryAngryCitizen says, Tim, your 6 p.m.
video hit home hard.
In 2019-2020, I was able to afford a car payment and small extras.
I'm making $4K more, but on a dime and a nickel budget with zero subscriptions and no extras, barely living.
That was the... I showed the chart where actual household wealth has declined based on inflation.
So it looks like people are making more money.
They're getting raises, but they're actually going down.
And they know it!
And the media's been lying about it.
Walgreens just announced they're shutting down 2,150 locations.
This is insane!
So there's a lot of older people who are going to be like, where do I go to get my medicine?
This happened in San Francisco.
There was a story where they shut down like three or four Dwayne Reeds or something, or Targets.
And these are pharmacies.
And there are elderly people who now, they can't walk two or three blocks.
It's difficult for them.
And now their local pharmacy is gone and they don't know where to go.
nick sortor
But how long can the media get away with lying about it and actually making a difference?
Because at some point you're going to start living it.
You're gonna start knowing it day-to-day-to-day.
You go to the grocery store.
You know, if you go and shop for your own groceries, you know darn well that inflation has been through the roof these past few years.
Your grocery bill is, you know, at least, what, 25-30% higher than it was four years ago?
Zillow... I mean, you just know.
unidentified
A hundred thousand dollars to comfortably afford a home.
nick sortor
It was sixty thousand four years ago.
ian crossland
The narrative is that, like, they'll say, I've raised more money than you did when you were president.
And like, but it's you need to use percentages.
So maybe you raised a million dollars, but if there's ten trillion in circulation, a million is what?
One point one percent.
If there's 2 million in circulation and you raise a million you've raised 50% of the value of so like it's it's the percentage of value of the money not the actual dollar amount and people tell you that they raised more dollars but that doesn't mean that the dollars were more valuable and that's when people start to realize that value is actually a percentage and not an actual a number or then a nominal thing that then they'll start to understand that they're lying to being lied to
Maybe that was a little confusing.
I'll explain that later again.
over and over again.
tim pool
Harry Lawrence says, problem with that theory.
If Biden steps down, Harris becomes president and Speaker of the House becomes VP and President
of the Senate where Dems will no longer have a majority.
No, I don't think that's how it works.
That's the line of succession for the president, but I don't think the Speaker becomes the
VP.
Someone want to fact check that?
nick sortor
Well, I know we were talking about this a little bit earlier where I don't think it's linear.
I think it were to happen where the line of succession comes in when, let's say, you know, the third in line would end up being president of the United States if the president and the vice president both died at the same time or something like that.
I think that's the way that it works.
And in that case, I don't even think The vice president, I think, becomes acting president for... Right, acting president.
Yeah, so it's not linear, I don't believe.
hannah claire brimelow
The speaker of the house doesn't automatically become the vice president.
tim pool
Right, they choose someone, don't they?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I mean, who didn't have a vice president?
Was it, um... I don't know.
tim pool
What happened with Gerald Ford?
hannah claire brimelow
I can't remember.
unidentified
I'll do some Googling quietly over here.
tim pool
Well, let's read some more Super Chats while we're at it.
Kai says, polls are false flag.
Still campaign like you were 10 points behind.
unidentified
Agreed?
ian crossland
Amen, brother.
nick sortor
Yeah, that's a great point, because everybody right now, all this red wave talk that you keep hearing on X, that's exactly what... I mean, you don't want people to feel... Actually, Charlie Kirk, I think, tweeted it out today.
He said, ignore all the polls.
Ignore the polls.
Don't pay attention to them, because people are going to get complacent, and they're going to think, oh, well, you know, what's the point?
I'm not going to waste time going to vote.
There's no point.
Trump's going to sweep.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
nick sortor
And people are saying all 50 states, he's going to win all 50 states.
Like that's not the attitude that we need to be having right now.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and even if he is, you know, it matters down ticket.
unidentified
Great.
hannah claire brimelow
If you feel like the presidency is locked in, start paying a ton of attention to your congressional races and your Senate races, especially if you live in.
A state like Montana, where it's right on the edge of potentially flipping, pay attention to your state and local races.
If you feel like everything's locked up, you know you're going to go vote, now's the time to research the other candidates that could really impact your life in the legislature that you have to abide by.
tim pool
How do they swap Biden out without affecting the ballots?
I mean, isn't Biden already on the ballot in a bunch of these states?
So if they were to switch him out, then the Democrats can't win.
nick sortor
But there's no way they'll actually allow that to happen, though, because it's the same thing in Ohio.
Like, technically, for the longest time, Biden wasn't actually going to be able to appear on the ballot in Ohio because they weren't going to meet the deadline for him to be on the ballot.
And of course, they pull some strings and change it.
They will get that change.
I don't think they're going to let that be a hurdle.
tim pool
So Carlos Mucha says, fun fact, Joe Biden's birth in 1942 was closer in time to Sherman's burning of Atlanta in 1864 than to the presidential debate in Atlanta this year.
unidentified
Whoa!
nick sortor
Jeez.
tim pool
That's kind of wild, you think about it.
Yeah, and that was, um... What was the other point someone made?
That, um... I think it was Abe Lincoln.
Yeah, Abe Lincoln's assassination is... Joe Biden's older.
We are further away than when he was born from Abraham Lincoln's assassination.
Well, but also now Sherman's march to the sea, huh?
unidentified
That's crazy.
tim pool
That's crazy.
He's an old, old man.
ian crossland
Closer to 50 than I am to 40.
tim pool
All right, Little Baloo says, Ian looks so sexy tonight.
ian crossland
Thanks, homie.
tim pool
And heart-eyed emoji.
ian crossland
It's because I'm not wearing headphones or my glasses.
tim pool
Well, alright.
ian crossland
Also because I did a cleanse.
I'm a different man.
tim pool
Alright, Noah Bodie says Styx was saying a swapped-in candidate would be ineligible in several states.
Know anything about this?
I'm pretty sure.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, they did have that write-in Biden campaign in New Hampshire this year when the DNC was like, forget you, New Hampshire.
South Carolina is going to go first for the primary.
So maybe, you know, they're going to rely on voters to be organized enough to write in Biden and states or whoever they would pick in states where Biden's not on the ticket.
But this is what I go back to.
I think it's going to default to Joe Biden stays on the ticket and they just have to see this mess through.
nick sortor
I don't think the media would be working so hard to tear down Joe Biden right now if there wasn't any way to have a backup.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, they're not doing this, you know... But that makes them think that they're logical and that they have thought about this carefully and made a forward.
I mean, most of them were saying Joe Biden was totally fine until they... Because they were told to!
nick sortor
Yeah, sure!
hannah claire brimelow
And they also believed it.
They didn't believe the clips that were out there.
They didn't consider it a possibility.
Then it became undeniable, and now they're scrambling.
I think this is out of panic, and I think the reality is that it's more likely that he's on the ballot than not.
tim pool
No Name says, Why am I the only person who thinks Newsom looks like Count Chocula?
You are not.
ian crossland
Slick back hair.
Does he have pointy ears?
I gotta get a good look at him.
tim pool
He does kind of, he reminds me of Count Chocula.
ian crossland
His pointy chin.
tim pool
Count Chocula's based, you know?
Delicious chocolate cereal, I got no problem.
ian crossland
Is that a bad thing?
tim pool
A little sugary, I don't know if I'd want to give it to my kids.
Maybe just on his bowl of oatmeal with some cream or something.
ian crossland
Would you guys vote for Frankenberry or Boo-Berry?
unidentified
Boo-Berry.
ian crossland
Boo-Berry was the GM, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I've seen their immigration platform, you know?
unidentified
I'm trying to not be fun.
tim pool
I suppose, you know, the question then is Boo-Berry's dead, right?
ian crossland
Unfortunately.
tim pool
Yeah, and Franken-Berry was reanimated.
ian crossland
I wonder if they slaughtered him.
Boo-Berry and Franken-Berry got together.
Or, uh, Chocula and Franken-Berry got together.
Like, this Boo-Berry guy's too good, take him out.
No, maybe not.
tim pool
I think I'd have to vote for Franken-Berry because he's alive.
hannah claire brimelow
But, you know, a blueberry would never die.
ian crossland
So good.
hannah claire brimelow
You don't have to worry about any sort of security.
You could cut Secret Service for many years.
Save that money for a little while.
tim pool
You know, I'd vote for whichever one would appoint Captain Crunch as their... as their... Commander-in-Chief?
No, no, Chief of... Department of Defense.
Well, because this is a guy who's gonna, when we send him overseas to our enemies, he's gonna slice up the roofs of their mouths and, you know, cause some real damage.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's worth pointing out.
tim pool
All right, let's go.
hannah claire brimelow
Does Trix the rabbit get a cabinet position?
ian crossland
Undoubtedly.
DEI all the way.
unidentified
Aunt Jemima for VP.
tim pool
Wait, that's not a cereal.
nick sortor
I know, but she's been cancelled everywhere else.
Bring her back.
tim pool
Why is the Trix rabbit DEI?
ian crossland
Because of all the rainbow colors.
tim pool
That's Lucky Charms, dude.
unidentified
Lucky Charms would replace Janet Yellen.
ian crossland
Isn't Trix a little rainbowy, too?
tim pool
Lucky Charms has the rainbow in it.
ian crossland
Yeah, Lucky Charms is best.
unidentified
But he's always obsessed with the pot of gold, so maybe he would be a treasury secretary.
tim pool
You know, I imagine the Biden and Lucky Charms guy would not get along.
Because the Lucky Charms guy is always running away from children.
hannah claire brimelow
And he's legitimately Irish, and I feel like Biden's constantly insulting the Irish.
tim pool
Well, he says he's Irish, doesn't he?
hannah claire brimelow
But it's never a flattering thing when he says it.
tim pool
All right.
He did, yeah.
What did he say?
My family's not in prison or something?
hannah claire brimelow
Something like that.
tim pool
Yeah, and Seamus got really offended.
He was banging on the table screaming, he was crying, snot was pouring out of his nose.
hannah claire brimelow
But he's just like that all the time.
tim pool
And he was like, I'm being oppressed!
He's like that all the time.
Let's read some more Super Chats.
hannah claire brimelow
To be fair, he's a white male Catholic.
He probably is oppressed.
tim pool
Brown Bear says, I think the Democrats will drop Kamala Harris without a second thought.
They only care about DEI as long as it's a path to power.
And if Kamala's in the way of that power, she's gone.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you see that Wall Street?
I don't know if you guys got this newsletter on your phone, but it was the Wall Street Journal was like, I can't remember what it was, but basically like diversity isn't making us money.
Hold on, I'll find it.
nick sortor
Yeah, you gotta find that article.
But, you know, talking about Kamala and stuff, I saw this poll on earlier and, you know, usually, you know, the Twitter poll, there's not much to it.
I can hit whatever option and it's not gonna change my life.
But I see somebody saying, would you rather have Joe Biden or Kamala Harris?
I still, you know, for a year now, I have not been able to answer that question.
tim pool
I don't know.
I gotta read this.
Michael Malice tweeted this.
He said, hey Chris Cuomo, when you were at CNN, did you ever catch Caitlyn Collins without his wig on?
unidentified
You see, Scott Presler tweeted out a photo of Caleb Collins, and he said, this is not me.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay, the Wall Street Journal, this is a news alert I got, diversity was supposed to make all of us a lot of money.
It hasn't.
unidentified
Oh gee.
nick sortor
Hot take!
hannah claire brimelow
No way!
nick sortor
Michael Malice.
I don't think you could have him on a YouTube show.
hannah claire brimelow
Sunday, June 30th.
tim pool
Michael Malice?
We haven't met in a long time.
ian crossland
I've been on his YouTube show.
tim pool
Nate Woodworth says, did you see Nyjah Houston's board at the X Games a few days ago?
Was the Statue of Liberty with an American flag behind it?
When he won gold, he purposely showed his deck to the camera.
Dude, I'm gonna tell you, man, I know tons of pro skateboarders.
Nigel Huston is the top of the top in pro skateboarding.
He's probably one of the very few pro skateboarders who's actually worth a lot of money, probably worth millions.
The average professional skateboarder's probably making $40,000 a year.
The industry is collapsing.
Braille skateboards just announced that they've shut down their warehouse.
They have six million YouTube subs.
They shut it down, they tore it all out.
Skateboarding is collapsing.
The industry is in serious trouble and the worst part is the Olympics are coming up.
So if the core skateboard community is not involved and people aren't investing, then it's going to get snatched up by woke corporations and turned into some creepy nonsense that's going to target your kids.
ian crossland
What is your take on why it's been falling apart?
Why it's been shuddering?
tim pool
I think that, well, there's a lot of reasons.
One big one is that skateboarders I feel like the people who are good people who skateboard are interested in having a family and being responsible, and once they do, they shift their focus into home responsibility.
This is true for every industry.
What that leaves, then, the people who are the loudest in the forums, at the skate events, at the skate shops, are people who are less likely to have jobs, less likely to have families, and they're more likely to be woke.
Woke people make young people not want to skateboard.
Fact.
So that's what we're trying to do with with Boonies and with like the Skatepark Project and Martinsburg and all the stuff is be family-friendly and inviting to parents to bring their kids.
But when you've got, you know, degenerate filth, drug addiction, heroin needles, and angry and aggressive 40-year-olds telling people to F off and stay away from their space, Parents ain't gonna bring their kids around.
If kids do not engage in, I'll start here.
If kids don't skateboard, skateboarding dies in 10 years.
Right now, the majority of skateboarders in general are over the age of 30.
So if you're out there and you like skateboarding and you're a pro skateboarder,
you gotta be doing everything you can to target young teenagers and convince them
to start skating and tell parents to get their kids skateboards so that those kids
Get involved, grow up skating, invest in the culture, and help build and create a
Because children are the future, no question, and I feel like most people don't get this.
Especially when you have an industry, and millennials in general, dominated by people who don't have families, don't have kids, and don't care.
What you end up with is, a really good example is what's going on in Martinsburg, with our attempts to build a skate park.
The older guys, who have been there for 10 years, are telling people to F off and get out.
What's a parent gonna do when they pull up and they say, I got my kid a skateboard, I wanna teach him how to skateboard, and you got a bunch of angry, old, politically charged people who are saying, it's our spot, we're the sheriff, get the F out.
They're going to say, okay, this is not the sport we want to have our kids involved in.
So I go to the city, I go to the community and say, we should have a community park, beautification, we should have trees and flowers and planters.
You can bring your kids.
Everyone's going to be really nice.
That's a good thing.
But the woke element in Martinsburg is desperately trying to stop it from happening.
unidentified
It's interesting.
tim pool
And also... So one last point real quick, because we do have to go to the Members Only show.
I was talking to Brett Dasovic and a few other rollerbladers.
Like, how did rollerblading die?
Rollerblading was the biggest sport.
33 million participants in the 90s.
And what a lot of these guys told me is that the older crowd of pro rollerbladers at their peak were gatekeepers.
They didn't want the kooks.
They didn't want the kids.
The kids were dorks.
The kids were in the way.
The skateboard industry said, yeah, those people are lame.
You don't want to be like them.
Come skate with us.
So the kids said yes.
Skateboarding became cool.
Rollerblading became uncool.
Everyone quit rollerblading.
When I was a little kid, I rollerbladed since I was a little kid.
I played street hockey.
ian crossland
Yeah, me too.
tim pool
And then when I was 13, my mom actually got me Backyard Bob rollerblades because everybody was rollerblading.
And then rollerblading became uncool.
Nobody wanted to do it, and so everyone got skateboards.
That was it.
Skateboarding is doing the same thing now as scooting.
Scooting is popular among younger people.
It's becoming more and more prominent.
The scooter kids are laughing and having fun and doing their thing, and they're expanding and rising.
And skateboarders are jaded, angry old men who think they're too cool for everybody else.
ian crossland
I was thinking that also, like, you see also that the people that aren't happy are the loudest, also in football, baseball, and in basketball, and even in soccer, football.
But there's so much money being pumped through those organizations that there's still an incentive for people to go try.
Yeah, that's about it.
tim pool
We gotta go to the Members Only Show, so smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member, we're gonna have that Members Only Show coming up here in just a minute, and as a member you help support all of our endeavors, which includes...
Uh, trying to, uh, build local skate parks and, uh, build culture that will influence young people and be a positive, uh, force.
Uh, go to boonieshq on Instagram if you want to watch me attempt to drop in on the death wall.
You know what I'm talking about.
unidentified
I've seen it.
tim pool
It's actually not me, it's the Muppet that Jack Posobiec gave me.
We had him drop in and it's funny.
hannah claire brimelow
Does he- does he do well?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
You would be shot.
tim pool
It is funny, though.
And I'll tell you, the goal with Boonies is we want to be PG-13.
We want to make content that is family-friendly, is welcoming to skateboarders of all levels, that parents will feel good that their kids are watching.
They're going to say, oh, that's funny and silly, a little rough around the edges, but nothing too bad.
And then the older crowd is going to be like, that's pro skateboarding at its best.
We don't want to do what these other gatekeepers are doing and be super... Look, with all due respect to a lot of the pros that are nice, that we're friends with, they produce content where it's like, uh, I'm gonna upload a video to YouTube of my nollie 360 flip, uh, you know, uh, nollie 360 flip frontside nose grind 180 out.
Who's going to want to watch that?
No disrespect.
Pro skateboarders are going to be like, oh, that's a crazy trick.
Sure.
And then the average person is going to be like, I don't know what that is.
I don't care.
So you've got to make content that is fun and fun and funny.
So head over to TimCast.com if you want to support our endeavors.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast.
Nick, do you want to shout anything out?
nick sortor
Yep, absolutely.
Follow me on x, uh, at Nick Sorter, S-O-R-T-O-R.
And I want to give a shout out real quick to Thomas Massey, who, uh, lost his wife last week.
You know, I, I was, I was going to be at the visitation tonight in Kentucky, but you know, it's here instead.
Uh, this was already pre-planned a while ago.
So, you know, shout out to him, you know, your thoughts and prayers and, uh, we're here for you, man.
ian crossland
I love you, Tom, man.
That wrecked me, brother.
That's, that's hard.
hannah claire brimelow
That's really, it was, it's awful.
ian crossland
Well, thank you for bringing up Thomas.
Prayers for Thomas and his family and everybody you all involved.
nick sortor
They were super close.
Best friends for, you know, high school together.
hannah claire brimelow
The statistics of that are crazy.
nick sortor
It just never happened.
It's unheard of anymore.
All right.
ian crossland
Well, love goes out.
I'm Ian Crossland.
Much pleasure.
Always great to see you, man.
nick sortor
Absolutely, Ian.
It's always a fun time.
ian crossland
Great times.
And follow me on X because sometimes late at night, I'll crack a beer and just start playing music, go live, and it's so fun.
So follow me there and come join some night.
I'll see you later.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, guys, thanks for joining us.
I hope everyone's getting excited for Independence Day.
I don't want to offend our commenters.
Nick, it was so great to have you here.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimmel.
I'm a writer for scnr.com at Scanner News.
You can follow all of our work at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at hannahclaire.b and I'm on Twitter at hannahclaireb.
Thanks for everything you guys do.
Bye, Kellen!
unidentified
See you, Hannah-Claire.
If you guys want updates about just general TimCast IRL stuff and the Culture War show, follow me over at Twitter at KellenPDL.
Thanks, everybody.
It was fun.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in about a minute.
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