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the Democratic Party.
He's refusing to turn over audio of a conversation with Biden about his health and his prosecution.
You see, the prosecutor is saying, you know, Biden's just a bumbling old fool and he can't remember things and they're never going to get him convicted.
So for that reason, we just can't criminally charge him.
But at the same time, Steve Bannon's going to go to prison for contempt of Congress.
Eric Holder was never held responsible for being in contempt of Congress.
So we're definitely seeing a double standard.
We'll talk about that.
And then we've got some news.
That Ukrainian impeding aid list, some people call it an enemy's list, in which I am included, as well as Jack Posobiec and many Republican members of Congress, is under fire and may be getting defunded thanks to the efforts of members of Congress like Rep Jim Banks.
He sent me a letter saying, I just want to let you know, you're on this enemy's list and I am...
You know, I did a segment where I probably was angrier than I've ever been at this idea that they dare insult me because I'm supposed to be of the opinion they deserve my money.
That's what they're writing.
They write this article, they write this whole map of all these individuals and they say, these people are in the way of us stealing their money.
How dare they?
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matt gaetz
I'm staying this time.
I've never stayed for the third hour.
I've never been able to make it, but I've been inspired by the trip out to the new studio.
So if people hang around for the third hour, we're doing all three.
tim pool
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We have some good ones.
We've got some good questions.
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Joining us tonight, he already shouted himself out.
What's up, Matt?
matt gaetz
Good to be back, man.
I tell you, every rally I go to, everywhere in the country, there's at least one person who walks up and says, you should be on the Timcast more.
So I think our long-form, unscripted conversations are epic.
There's a lot going on.
There's a lot under the surface, you know, ballpark It's a really bad time for the country right now.
We are in a free fall.
We are close to the cliff, and there's a few of us fighting to try to turn away from that ultimate ending.
And I know there's a lot in this audience who are rooting for us, and so looking forward to chatting.
tim pool
You know, I've said it before, you are at least my favorite member of Congress.
matt gaetz
You say the same shit to Thomas Massey.
unidentified
That's not true.
matt gaetz
When he comes on the show, I know because my wife was watching, and she's like, babe, I know this is going to be a real hard night for you.
But you're no longer Tim Foole's favorite member of Congress.
Massey is.
And I'm like, well, you know, I think Massey is my mom's favorite member of Congress.
tim pool
I don't know that I would have said that.
Maybe I would have said he's one of our favorites, but I have a lot of disagreements with Massey.
He's a good dude and we agree on a lot and I respect him fighting back, but there's a lot of things that I've argued and I've read stories about him.
But the stuff you've worked on, I mean, especially, you know, people have complained about the McCarthy stuff after the fact because now we have Speaker Johnson.
I don't care about that.
I want to see someone who actually represents the will of the people.
Afterwards, we cross those bridges.
So, we'll get into all that.
We'll get into all that.
We've got a big show tonight because Ian is here as well.
ian crossland
Hi, everybody.
Yeah, man, I'm glad you're here, Matt.
I'm glad to be here because I feel like you are kind of the needle into the veins of what the hell's happening in the United States and we can either extract data from you or we can give you data to put into the system.
I'm really happy to get a hold of your expertise, man.
matt gaetz
I'm driving out here and I'm like, what is going to be the crazy Ian question that is not an actual question?
That is just testing to see what an accommodating dope I'm willing to be.
So I'm on the hunt.
ian crossland
The water was warm.
matt gaetz
I'm on the hunt.
ian crossland
We're going to talk about the Empire.
I'm talking about the British Empire and the Emperor himself.
matt gaetz
Empire is striking back, actually.
tim pool
Phil is here.
phil labonte
How you doing, everybody?
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
How you doing, Hannah-Claire?
hannah claire brimelow
I'm good.
I've said it before.
I'll say it again.
I'm tonight's diversity hire.
I'm representing all the estrogen in the room.
I'm Hannah Clare Brimel.
I'm a writer for SCNR.com.
Hi, Serge!
unidentified
Hello, Hannah Clare.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
That's not fair.
This is a minority-owned company.
hannah claire brimelow
Sure.
And I'm helping.
I'm gender diversity in this room unless you guys are going to make any announcements tonight.
matt gaetz
So we had this big hearing today on how The FTC is trying to get more authority on – well, not the FTC.
I'm sorry.
Investment vehicles are trying to leverage their power to try to get ESG, DEI, and how they will literally say, like, we're the investment board for one of the largest investment companies in the world, and we're going to vote against directors based on the color of their skin, based on their gender.
It's incredible what's going on.
That's illegal.
But it is – they are bragging about it.
They are abjectly bragging about it.
tim pool
Well, let's start here.
The big news today was House Republicans holding AG Merrick Garland in contempt for withholding Biden-Herr interview audio.
The simple gist of this is there's a Biden health crisis.
He is so unhealthy.
That we can't criminally charge him for his criminal actions.
But, uh, I guess you were there, Matt.
Do you want to break down for us what's going on with this?
matt gaetz
Well, I mean, rah-rah, I guess?
Tim?
I mean, like, just zooming out, okay?
We have a situation where Donald Trump is the leading contender for the presidency.
He's facing unprecedented lawfare.
We have the people who are involved in the state and local prosecutions going to meetings at the White House, communicating with officials at the DOJ, absorbing into their workforce senior officials from the DOJ.
This is the big problem with Merrick Garland and with the Department of Justice.
When we ask for those records, those calendar meetings, those emails that will really reveal to the public a new thing that people need to know, we send letters, we don't issue subpoenas that we're willing to enforce, and we just let that go.
And then meanwhile, we get you leading the A Block on the Timcast with, we have held Merrick Garland contempt because he is holding from us something so rare.
As is Joe Biden potentially being mentally and physically feeble.
I'm like, we just watched this guy probably crap his pants at D-Day, okay?
Like, nothing on the Merritt Garland video is going to be worse than we've already seen, but we choose that!
for the unprecedented power of contempt and then we just we just sort of leave unaddressed the
actual real issue. So yeah, I voted for the contempt. We have a right to the information.
He's the president of the United States. There's an impeachment inquiry. He should have given it
to us. But at the end of the day, I will not take any congratulations for House Republicans
for this move because it is it is like the lowest of low energy action.
And actually, I think it's rather misdirected.
Do you want to live in a world where there's no limiting factor on the ability of any Congress in the future to go root around an investigative file that didn't result in a criminal prosecution?
Do you want to live in that world?
Nobody wants to, but do you think- Does Steve Bannon want to live in that world?
I don't know that that's the best thing for separation of powers either.
tim pool
Why am I leading with this on the A Block?
matt gaetz
You're leading with it because you are so thirsty for anything that we have done that is of any meaning or that anybody is being held accountable for anything, right?
It's like when the families go to SeaWorld, and what the sea lion does is not all that impressive, jumps up, does a flip.
But like, after you've been there with your kids all day, and you've been sitting in that line, and you've paid the 80 bucks, whatever that sea lion does is going to be good, and you're going to applaud, and you're going to pay for the $12 hot dog.
tim pool
I'll give you 95% spot on.
The 5% I'd say is, we lead with what you guys do.
And so the story of the day is that you've held Merrick Garland in contempt, and then the gist of it is we complain about how the only thing that ever gets done is strongly worded letters.
matt gaetz
We did the wrong thing.
We contempted the wrong conduct.
phil labonte
Yeah.
matt gaetz
Right?
I mean, we scored in the wrong end zone.
That is my criticism.
ian crossland
What's the conduct you want to put him in court for?
matt gaetz
Look, I believe that the worst thing going on right now at the Department of Justice is what they're doing to Trump.
It's not even the protection of Biden.
It's what they're doing to Trump.
And there is evidence that they are involved in that.
There are meetings that we know happened at the White House with Nathan Wade and Fannie Willis.
We know there are personnel that literally left senior positions at DOJ to do the career downstream to the Manhattan District Attorney's Office, right?
And so we want the employment records, the references, the correspondence, and Merrick Garland tells us to fuck off, and we fully fund—oh, I'm sorry, we gave him a 7% cut on his budget.
Naughty, naughty Merrick Garland.
But then they hold back, like, video of Joe Biden stuttering, and we act like, God damn it, if we don't get this, we're going to use the awesome power of contempt.
Does that not offend you?
tim pool
I want to mention real quick, because you mentioned the poop into the pants.
So I, because I love ChatGPT, asked it if it was reasonable to assume that Joe Biden crapped his pants, and it was like, no, there is no evidence to suggest this.
And then I said, there's more evidence that Joe Biden crapped his pants than there is that Donald Trump worked for Russia.
There's more.
We actually have a video where he's like squatting down.
matt gaetz
Ask anybody who's had a toddler what that looks like.
tim pool
Here's what I did.
I then asked GPT, if an 81-year-old man standing up during an event squats down, grimaces, stands up, squats a little bit, is it reasonable to assume he may be suffering fecal incontinence?
And it goes, yes, that is reasonable to assume.
And I said, and if it's Joe Biden, no, how dare you?
matt gaetz
Honestly, the same thing happened one time when I was at a party with Bill O'Reilly.
I think he shit his pants and then had to shuffle off.
tim pool
Joe Biden did?
matt gaetz
No, Bill O'Reilly.
tim pool
Oh, wow.
I mean, these things happen.
I don't want to derail into that, but I think you're correct when it comes to why we can't prosecute Joe Biden.
I'll give a little bit to this.
I mean, this is them saying they're not going to criminally charge Joe Biden because he's a doddering old fool and it wouldn't work.
So, we know this already.
That's already been said.
That's the worst thing about it.
There's nothing more to reveal, right?
They've outright said, we won't prosecute him because his brain's gone.
matt gaetz
Did you ever think Joe Biden was going to get prosecuted for these documents?
Did you swallow the hook that hard?
Did you ever believe it?
Right, I mean, like, what are we talking about here, Tim?
He was never gonna get prosecuted for this.
Rob Herr, the guy that they selected to be the special counsel for this matter, was Rosenstein's number, like, right-hand man, henchman.
Whenever we tried to get answers out of Rosenstein, out of the Hillary stuff, it was Rob Herr that was playing, blocking and tackle.
I mean, he is a deep state capo.
The fix was in on this.
tim pool
So I've long resigned.
I rag on the Republican Party quite a bit.
Not nearly as much as Democrats, because the Democratic Party seems unified in their chaos.
But there's, what, like a dozen or so Republican members of Congress who do good things.
And so I don't really expect a whole lot from them other than strongly worded letters.
That's the running meme.
That's all they're going to do.
matt gaetz
I think that Tucker Carlson taught me the power of humiliation is very real, and particularly public humiliation.
And if we can drag these people forward with the power of the subpoena and we can browbeat them, we can alter their conduct.
There will be no drag queen story hour in the month of June on military bases this year because of the way I dog walked Lloyd Austin.
The policy changed as a consequence of that.
We have to do that at great scale in every committee with vertically integrated subpoenas, the way the January 6th committee did.
And instead, we play the typical Washington game.
And you know why?
Those strongly worded letters make people money.
Like imagine you're the corporate entity, right?
And you get those.
There's a whole little cottage industry of like lawyers who used to be congressional staffers who take those letters and they they joust back and forth and like, All their kids are in the same soccer leagues together, and they're part of the same kind of social class of DC, and it's all meant to be professional wrestling.
And the way you know that's the case is because we don't use the power of the purse.
ian crossland
Why not?
matt gaetz
Because it's a corrupt... I mean, this is the essence of our discussions that they always devolve to.
Who is really making the decisions?
The core feature and function of Washington is to ensure that no one ever really looks at the money.
And the way to ensure that happens is to make sure that everybody's voting on all of the money all at once at the most inconvenient time.
So, the government runs out of money on September 30th.
And what they'll do is they'll do a short, they'll say, oh, we're so close to getting those single subject spending bills Gates wants.
And so they'll kick that thing to right up against everybody's Christmas and Hanukkah recess.
And then they will jam us with one of these omnibus bills, where it's you take it all or lose it all.
And they will have bought enough people off with earmarks and a special accommodation for you and a win for you to take home to your district, where we will continue this downward slide that I warned about at our open.
ian crossland
What are these vertical integrated subpoenas you mentioned?
matt gaetz
So yeah, I remember we had a great episode.
I still run it on the Gates Network, which people can find on my Rumble stream at Red Matt Gates.
The episode we had with Steve Bannon in my congressional office, and I just returned from the January 6th committee's vault with all of their files.
And here's what they would do.
They would assess a target, and they would say, how does that person communicate?
All their email, all their phone, all of their devices.
How do they move?
Do they have Uber?
Is there a way to check tolls around their house, around their places of work?
And then how do they spend money?
Where do we get their bank records?
I mean, I looked in the Bernie Kerrick file and I could see where that guy bought a cup of coffee from McDonald's in New York City.
And the only file that was totally empty was Steve Bannon's, which I believe was to ensure that they did not have evidence there in those records that they didn't want out for their own reasons, perhaps.
And that was all a surprise to Bannon that we broke on the Timcast.
So that is how you do it.
You go after how they communicate, how they move, how they spend money.
And then once you get a target, any person of significance in this country has all their electronic life on probably at least three or four devices or in places, you know, in clouds or with different servers.
So they would subpoena, you know, both sides of an email, they would subpoena the email service provider, they would go to the assistant, they would go to the spouse that might have access to records or family members, and they got a full picture on people.
And then it was to acquire the target and then to find some basis to do that person.
If you're going to do vertically integrated subpoenas with from Eric Garland, it would be like you just find his bank records, his Uber transactions, I would start with what is the conduct that we know was a connective tissue between the Department of Justice and the state and local entities, right?
We know there were calendared meetings that occurred at the White House.
So let's get all records in and out of that meeting.
Let's get the travel to and from there.
Let's get all the correspondence from the people who attended those meetings in the 24 hours before and after.
If they're not provided by the subjects themselves, you go to their assistants.
If they're not provided by them, you go to their service providers, and eventually you find somebody who's going to give up the information, right?
Who was the biggest witness in the January 6th matter?
It wasn't any of the principals.
It was somebody's assistant, Cassidy Hutchinson, because she had records.
She knew who had attended meetings, and then she was able to lash lies onto things that had occurred with the appearance of validity when, you know, later when that was probed, it was proven false.
tim pool
She lied.
Claiming, but I guess it was a hearsay thing where she's like, I was told this thing happened, that Donald Trump lunged to try and grab the steering wheel.
And it would imply that Trump has the ability to phase through solid matter, because there's a barrier in the veal.
He can't just do that.
hannah claire brimelow
He's just that good, you know?
tim pool
I don't understand.
Are these people cognizant of their evil?
Do they know that what they're doing is evil?
matt gaetz
I think that there is an intricate system in Washington that brainwashes people, that is well-resourced, that has human talent around it, and that creates kind of a nurturing ecosystem for people to come into that embrace when they feel as though it's the only place for them to turn.
Cassidy, for example, wanted to go down and work after January 6th, was dying to go down to work in Palm Beach County.
Asked me if any of my friends had places where she could stay while she got permanent housing, was eager to go work for Trump.
And then, you know, when that employment situation didn't work out, I don't know if it was personality conflicts, some folks said that they didn't like her contacts with the media, but then all of a sudden she felt isolated and, you know, along comes a Liz Cheney And, I mean, say what you want about the Cheneys, and I've probably said it all, it's not a universe of amateurs.
It's a group of people who've done this for a long time at a very high level.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think that the Justice Department is ultimately a savable institution, or is it sort of so deeply corrupted, there's so much interpersonality issues there, that it's not something that you could just turn over by getting a new AG?
matt gaetz
Personnel is policy there, and you've had a lot of the same people who rotate into the Justice Department, out to big tech, and to big business, and then back to the Justice Department when things change.
Like, if you look at the people who've worked at DOJ and then go and end up working at big tech companies, it is the true revolving door even more than the White House.
And that's why, actually, big tech never gets held accountable, because they want to create just enough virus Where they can then sell themselves and their buddies as the antidote.
Meanwhile, the American people see their interface with the digital world change for the worse.
So I think that personnel is key, but also devolving authority outside of Washington is key.
We've talked about ways to make the U.S.
attorneys who live in the communities, who have to show up at the local grocery store and worship at the local church, more empowered to make their decisions where everything is not run through this praxis up here.
And also with the Justice Department, You know, I think that getting them outside of Washington,
D.C. would be better.
And this is an area where I disagree with President Trump.
President Trump believes Washington, D.C. has become a shithole and that the only way for
America to achieve her greatness is to have a great capital city.
And it has to have our institutions, our buildings.
hannah claire brimelow
You're real estate minded.
matt gaetz
Yeah, like people can't, you know, defecate on the street and live in our parks and green spaces.
That has to be a place of splendor.
And he thinks, like, sending, you know, the FBI to Thule, Greenland, as I would, is improper.
ian crossland
With these subpoenas you're talking about, these vertically integrated subpoenas, if they were issued widely, would it then... So I imagine none of them have been issued yet, but you want these to be issued by the House of Representatives?
matt gaetz
Is that how it works?
I would rate our distribution of subpoenas and enforcement thereof at, like, maybe a D plus, C minus.
And I say that with no joy.
Let me give you an example, Ian.
The House of Representatives in the 218th Congress has never subpoenaed Hunter Biden for testimony in public.
How do you explain that?
If we're shooting for the pin, if we're not laying up, how do you explain that?
tim pool
I kind of think that the establishment, the uniparty, whatever you want to call it, has been in consistent control of Democrats and Republicans for decades.
And in 2016, probably a little bit before that, we started to see insurgency within both parties.
More lefty populists, you have the right populists.
For obvious reasons, I think, we saw tremendous success among right-wing populists in getting into the Republican Party, much to their dismay.
And they're desperately trying to shake loose this MAGA, Trump, or populist faction.
matt gaetz
We're like long COVID, we don't go away.
tim pool
But you look at AOC, and she's supposed to represent the left populist.
Yeah, but she's co-opted.
matt gaetz
Instantly.
ian crossland
What part co-opted her?
tim pool
Well, the moment she gets elected, the moment she wins a primary, she's backtracking her stance on Palestine and Israel.
And the left immediately came out and they were like, we thought you were on our side, and all of a sudden she's like, well, no.
Well, because she has constituents.
Then there was, um... I can't remember the specific moment.
Do you remember when Pelosi came to her and told her to vote?
I think it was the, uh... It was the speaker vote.
Speaker vote, right.
matt gaetz
Right.
tim pool
She said, like you see on the video, on C-SPAN, AOC is voting, I think she was voting, was it she was voting no or something?
matt gaetz
No, no, no, no.
She voted for Pelosi, and what she got for it was a spot on the Financial Services Committee and the Oversight Committee.
Which, for a freshman, is getting paid.
tim pool
She switched her vote.
So there's a video where you see Pelosi yelling at her, and then all of a sudden the vote changes, or something like that happened.
matt gaetz
Well, I think she's sitting there, and they kind of have an interaction, but the deal was cut before that moment.
Because she gets on these two primo committees, and she votes for Pelosi.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think that that moment was intentional then?
Because it makes her look like she's standing up to Pelosi, to her constituents?
matt gaetz
Look, I went through that.
You think I started with 20?
When we opposed McCarthy, we had way more who were just like, we know this guy's corrupt, we know he lies, we know the truth ain't in him, we're never before him.
And then those people stopped coming to the meetings, and next thing you know, they got a real good committee spot.
So it's a part of the...
Economy of Washington, right?
I mean, I wrote in my book about when I first got here in freshman orientation, I really wanted to be on the Armed Services Committee.
I represent a military community.
I thought they'd want to know what my foreign policy views were, what the GDP of my district was relative to the military.
And they were just like, look, you owe $75,000 to the NRCC in the next 10 days.
tim pool
They want to know how many zeros you could put behind a couple numbers.
matt gaetz
And I mean, I showed up with 150 because I figured if they're for sale, like, I mean, you definitely don't want to like pay and not get one.
That's a business opportunity.
And then they said, we think you're a real comer, and put me on judiciary as well.
unidentified
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
That's your pay for pay double, I guess.
matt gaetz
Yeah, and I paid twice.
tim pool
Yeah, I can't remember who told us that story.
matt gaetz
Someone was a... Massey, maybe.
tim pool
I think it was Massey.
matt gaetz
Massey and I made a movie about it on HBO.
We made a movie called The Swamp.
They followed us for a year and they observed how there's like a scoring system and a ranking system and based on your committees and your assignments and whether you're a chairman or have some other goofy title, what you have to fork over to rent those positions.
ian crossland
So you either use your influence by supporting people in the Congress, or you use your money and buy your way out?
matt gaetz
Well, it's actually you just serve as a broker.
So imagine you're some poor schmuck from northeast Arkansas, and like, you know, you don't have a lot of money, and you show up there to orientation, and first they sit you down and they're like, so we're going to need a quarter million bucks from you in the next two years, and we need like a third of it in the next quarter.
And you sit there and you're like, holy shit, how am I going to do that?
Now, we know you're going to be on the Armed Services Committee.
Here's the best steak you've ever had.
It's the best wine you've ever had.
And seated at the table are a bunch of defense lobbyists who are like, Ian, we hear you've got an assessment.
We are going to do the first event to make sure that we get you toward that assessment.
And you start thinking, so wait a second, there's some people who want money and there's some people who want to give it to them.
And if I just act as the pass-through, then I get credit for it?
That's the situation.
And that's how they kind of get you.
tim pool
I imagine they butter you up like crazy when you're a freshman in Congress.
They say, yeah, you got a real good head on your shoulders.
You're a smart guy.
Wow, we'd love to get behind you.
matt gaetz
Yeah, a leadership potential.
That's always the code that you're a real cuck is when they say you're a leadership guy.
ian crossland
We're talking about, like, the country.
You mentioned the country.
I think that I have a similar view to what the country is that you do, which is part of why I get along in political conversations with you like this, that it's like the United States Constitution.
That's a big part of it.
Preserving decentralized authority.
But there's, like, this imperial power, and they're big bankers and stuff, and the king of, or the empire, the emperor of England, the emperor of Britain.
I don't know, in Five Eyes, the spy club, they got the CIA is probably deeply entrenched.
I don't like the liberal economic order, man.
I don't like that America has military bases all over Earth, but what's the next best option?
tim pool
Let me jump to this story so that we can get into that conversation.
matt gaetz
Nice little warm-up amuse-bouche from Ian.
How do we deconstruct the world economic order with a viable solution that is in no way chaotic at the outset?
tim pool
Let's start with this.
Some news.
This is Fox News.
Enemies list of Trumpists and Communists.
matt gaetz
Raise your hand if you're on the enemies list.
tim pool
I am.
Is it just us?
Sergio!
phil labonte
Can we be there because you're there?
Like, we work here.
I'm not on there.
tim pool
Okay, so let's slow down.
You, no.
matt gaetz
Hold on, first of all, Phil.
First of all, Tim got on the enemies list through guilt by association, so you should be able to as well.
phil labonte
I feel like it.
tim pool
So basically what's happened is this NGO in Ukraine published this rollercoaster thing where they list a bunch of individuals, what is it like 300 and some odd individuals, that they say are impeding their access to funding.
Basically what they're saying is you American citizen are in the way of me taking your money.
That deeply offends me.
I get really angry by this.
I'm an American.
I pay taxes.
You are Americans.
You pay taxes.
And these people wrote up a thing mad that as non-U.S.
entities, they want my money to pay their bills.
You can ask nicely, but to tell me I'm in your way of my own money?
I'm glad I am.
So here's what they do.
They have this, uh, connections.
And then they have this big list, here's Donald Trump, and I'm in there somewhere, where am I?
I'm like floating over here, Tim Pool.
Now, I will tell you, what is the most offensive thing about this is- Where am I?
matt gaetz
I don't know where you- I'm in there, bro.
phil labonte
Somewhere.
tim pool
I know, it's hard to find because I don't- you gotta be big, like, you see how the big ones have names on them?
Like they actually label them?
I'd imagine yours would be one of the bigger ones, right?
Marge- there you go!
matt gaetz
Oh, there we go, baby!
ian crossland
Now hold on, hold on!
tim pool
They don't connect you to me over here?
Like, we've had Tucker Carlson, Vivek Ramaswamy, we've had Marjorie Taylor Greene, we've had you, we've had Jim Jordan, we've had all of you on this show and how dare they?
matt gaetz
You should consider yourself very lucky that you made the list even though they're not fans of the show.
tim pool
Right?
So anyway, I know I am deeply offended by this list, but the breaking news now, according to D.C.
Drano, the Ukrainian NGO that started an enemies list, which included U.S.
congressmen and private American citizens, using Biden's State Department funding, has just been defunded thanks to the leadership of Congressman Jim Banks.
So Ian was just bringing up this, like, international liberal economic order, and this is what I really see here.
The war in Ukraine, I watched a video earlier, and it was In an international volunteer group fighting in Ukraine, what we're looking at right now is it's an extra governmental entity using the labor of the American people to fund non-citizens and foreign entities to fight a war for NATO.
We are witnessing war that is extra-governmental at this point.
We did not approve of this.
The American people did not vote for this war.
But we are paying for it whether we want to or not.
And then you've got a video of a British guy, a Canadian guy, a New Zealand guy, and they are fighting, flying Ukrainian flags and killing Russians.
And then they're mad at me for not wanting my money to go towards that.
The United States has become a vassal of an international military cabal.
And it's been for a long time, but now it's plainly visible in front of us.
I'm hoping that what we're seeing with Trump, with you, Representative Gates, is that there's a fracture in the hull of their ship.
matt gaetz
I would suggest that the kryptonite to that That non-governmental, maybe even post-governmental warfare, right, to that liberal world order, it's strong nation-states.
And that's why this very post-governmental regime is turned against people like Trump and Mele and Bukele in El Salvador, who's totally changed that country.
Oh, yeah.
And they fear the sense of pride, strong borders, and just realism that would deconstruct what they've done, I think, to be so damaging.
But, like, to just break down for a moment where I've been on Ukraine, the amendment I filed that might have gotten me on this list was just that we should follow our own laws regarding the end-use monitoring of our own military equipment.
These aren't new laws.
These are laws we've always had, about just like when we send stuff that can shoot into a war zone, we like to keep track of where it goes.
And when I ask under oath, I can't tell you what I hear in the classified briefings, but when I ask in the public hearings under oath, can you testify that we are fully compliant with the law?
The people charged with enforcing and overseeing those laws cannot truthfully do so.
tim pool
Well, we know billions have already been stolen.
We know that there are mayors who are green-lighting fake companies that had just formed to receive U.S.
money, and then these individuals disappear.
We know that Russian forces were able to successfully launch attacks because fortifications were never built, because Ukrainians are just stealing the money.
And then they have the nerve to write this and say that we are in their way of continued stealing of our money, of your money.
hannah claire brimelow
I just think any elected official on this list or anyone seeking office should use this as a point to say, look, look, I don't think we should send it.
They're noticing that I did something.
I said, no, we should not continue to ship money overseas when America has enough to deal with.
matt gaetz
I might tell my detractors, you might think I'm a shitbag, but do you really want to borrow money from China so that your children can go into more debt so that an NGO can call me a shitbag?
tim pool
Do you think that people know that?
matt gaetz
Is that really what you think we ought to spend our money on?
But to the point about how Absurd it is.
We are paying for their pensions, but we also have paid to retire debt that Ukraine incurred before the Russian invasion.
So we are $34.7 trillion in debt.
We go another trillion dollars in debt every hundred days, and we are paying to retire Ukraine's debt.
We are borrowing money from China at a higher interest rate.
To retire lower interest rate debt by Ukraine.
And I have to say, while I am a huge Jim Banks fan, and it is a coup for people in my movement that he seems to be on a glide path to the United States Senate, and he's done the right thing, we cannot declare victory on this one legislative maneuver for this reason.
All we have passed is the House version of the National Defense Authorization Act.
The Senate must pass their version.
So if you don't have a companion measure there, this then becomes the subject of negotiation.
And the people who are involved in these negotiations probably are grieved by this a little less than you and I are.
And so the pressure has to be kept on to not fund this stuff Right now, we have run the first leg in the relay race, but getting the Senate to act, getting this to survive conference, is critical for that to be achieved.
And I'm not sure that would happen.
tim pool
You were mentioning, you know, these people who are like, we're gonna fund you, you gotta go and pay the NRCC.
Can an individual just pay that?
If there's a member of Congress who gets elected, can some guy walk up and be like, I'm gonna pay so you get on these committees?
matt gaetz
Yes.
By the way, how do you think I got on committees?
Do you think I went to any special interest group?
I went back to my community and said, don't you guys want me on armed services?
If so, everybody here at dinner has to write somewhere between a $10,000 and $25,000 check.
Wow.
And I'm grateful that I live in a community that has enough success and affluence and enough people who think like I think where they pulled out their checkbooks and they doubled up.
But not everyone can do that, and if you can't do that, then you're more susceptible to the lobbyists who then own you.
tim pool
Ian over here can write a check for $75,000 to the NRCC on behalf of Riley Moore and get him on a committee.
matt gaetz
Is Riley Moore in Congress?
tim pool
He just won the primary and he will be in November.
matt gaetz
Yeah, he could do that.
tim pool
That's crazy.
ian crossland
You think you're a generous guy?
unidentified
I am.
tim pool
Is that a campaign donation?
matt gaetz
No, it is.
It's reportable.
The NRCC says... But you can't accept any number?
There's no campaign... Yeah, I think there's an upward limit somewhere, you know, in the hundreds of thousands of dollars.
tim pool
What?
phil labonte
Does it have to go to a PAC first?
matt gaetz
Well, because the NRCC exists to elect Republican members.
But it often is weaponized against the people who have a more populist perspective, because the NRCC runs on special interest money.
I am of no value to the NRCC, because I don't raise money for them, I don't give money to them.
I'm not particularly interested anymore in their perspective on what committees I should serve on, because I think that the people in our movement would think it would be a human rights violation if I got thrown off my committees.
So I don't pay the money.
And so they would far prefer to have fewer people who think like I do and more people who are hamsters on the hamster wheel.
tim pool
Because the reason I brought up someone super chatted, does your show get enough money to start buying off politicians so they can do the right damn thing for once in their lifetime?
matt gaetz
And I'm like... Well, you cannot buy politicians.
You can only rent them.
tim pool
So that's my question.
We go to a member of Congress and say, we're going to pay the NRCC what they are looking for to make sure you get the committees and do the right thing.
matt gaetz
Thomas Massey told the story about how someone thought he could do a real good job on the Ways and Means Committee, and the lobbying group said, this is what we're willing to pay for you to be on the committee, and we need you to share our perspective on these issues.
And I think Thomas pretty much told him to fuck off.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
How do we stop that?
matt gaetz
And he never got on the committee.
Well, we got some people on some committees because we used leverage.
Kevin McCarthy did not want to put Thomas Massey and Ralph Norman and Chip Roy on the rules committee.
And that's the committee that determines what even can be voted on.
What amendments are even going to get the dignity of a vote.
tim pool
How much did it cost to get on that committee?
matt gaetz
Huh?
tim pool
How much does it cost again?
matt gaetz
Well, typically, if you're not someone that's giving upwards of around a million bucks a year, you're not really considered for the Rules Committee.
We can afford that.
But our folks got on the Rules Committee because we said, Kevin, what would you prefer?
This to be the slate of people on the Rules Committee, or for you not to be able to hang your portrait?
He was like sort of a moth to the flame on the portrait deal, but now we got our folks on the Rules Committee, and that's not to say that they think like I think on every issue.
I'm sure they don't, but I know they're not corrupt.
They didn't get there because they bought it.
They got there because we used leverage, and I think that is not a perfect system, but it's definitely the better one.
ian crossland
When they come in and they pay to get someone on a committee, who does that money go to?
matt gaetz
Well, oftentimes the NRCC takes that money and they will use it at times to play in primaries to select the type of person that's likely to participate in this, you know, in this Amway scheme that they have.
tim pool
For people who don't know what the NRCC is?
matt gaetz
Yeah, the National Republican Congressional Committee.
So it is the political wing of the House Republican Conference.
The Democrats have one.
They call it the D-TRIP, the D-triple-C.
tim pool
These are basically like political organizations that help people get elected.
matt gaetz
Yeah, ostensibly their purpose is to achieve the majority.
So you have to have money to do that, and they have the ability in law that you don't have.
They have an ability to buy television advertising that you don't necessarily have at rates that you aren't able to get.
And so they have that primacy in law.
It's one of the reasons we have a two-party system, because we've wrapped our campaign finance laws around a two-party system.
How often?
They exist for that purpose.
They have to raise tens of millions of dollars.
If you want to be the leader of your conference, it's somewhere between $60 and $100 million
that you need to raise.
tim pool
How often?
matt gaetz
Well, every year.
tim pool
Every year you need $60 to $100 million?
matt gaetz
And Kevin McCarthy, to his career, raised about a billion.
And what I said to folks is, you know, what did that cost, right?
When Kevin McCarthy walked into the speakership having raised nearly a billion dollars, not just with the NRCC, but also CLF, other aligned PACs and entities, all of that together, that's a billion dollars worth of IOUs.
And for all of the criticism I take, I turned those IOUs into Confederate money.
tim pool
I love it.
ian crossland
Because they're gifts.
They're considered gifts?
Technically?
matt gaetz
Well, they're considered donations.
ian crossland
Donations.
So what's the tiff or taff?
Is there expectation they're going to get something in return?
If it's a donation, that's not how donations work.
matt gaetz
The mobile home lobby gave their, you know, half a million dollars to these entities just because they wanted people to live better lives.
I'm sure the pharmaceutical industry did never want special treatment, you know.
hannah claire brimelow
A certain way on a bill that might help them.
They would never want anything else.
tim pool
Ian, let me explain something for you.
It's illegal to sell booze, right?
Unless you have a liquor license.
So some teenagers, some college students, got smart one day and said, I know, we'll just sell cups.
The beer is free.
Do you think the police went DRAT?
They got us!
No, they went, nice try, it's called solicitation, you're under arrest for selling beer without a license.
So, what we see here is, you don't need someone to write down, I owe you one favor in Congress, they just come to you and say, remember that 10 million we gave you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, well, you know what that means.
ian crossland
So, if a conversation like that, if it was recorded, would it be illegal?
matt gaetz
Please, it's said daily in the halls of the Capitol, and here's how the parlance works most often.
Oh, Congressman Poole, we'd really love to have your support on that amendment, or we'd really like you to sign this letter, and we'll see you at the fundraiser next week.
It is that direct, it is that proximate, and it is that disgusting.
And the fact that people are willing to do it underneath the murals of Jefferson and Adams, underneath the bust of Washington, it is debasing and unpatriotic.
tim pool
Our culture is fried, that's why.
phil labonte
So do you think, is it better to try to work within that system?
Find people that can actually function in the system the way that it is to actually affect policy that you want?
Or do you think that it's actually better to try to have, to elect lawmakers that will work to change the system?
Because it's so deep.
And it's so complex to actually get things done.
What's an effective means to, if not change policy, produce policy for the people that they actually want?
Because right now, the government's not doing that.
matt gaetz
It is the question.
And I will not come to this conversation with the hubris that I know the answer.
I believe you have to change the incentive structure.
If you want to move the mouse, you have to move the cheese.
And I believe that there is an incentive structure around doing the right thing if you are willing to be bold and relentless, and if you are willing to take the criticism.
I am one of the top fundraisers in the House of Representatives, despite my unwillingness to play this game.
And it's not that I have a whole lot of billionaires who are writing, you know, $6,600 checks to me.
It's that I have 200,000 donors that go to MacAids.com and give me an average of like 80 bucks.
And that I am able to have the resources necessary to win every election I've competed in under that model.
And I've tried to show people that if you do that, the people will be there for you.
And if we didn't do dumb stuff, it wouldn't cost us as much to win elections.
That's the other thing.
The reason Tony Gonzalez needs $9 million to beat Brandon Herrera by 429 votes is because he has a really bad voting record.
If he voted better, it wouldn't have taken $9 million.
Herrera had a million.
Congratulations to Tony Gonzalez, I guess.
He had nine.
But, you know, the establishment looks at that and says, we won.
I look at a race like that and say, we are coming.
If we can align some of these things and answer Phil's question with a bit more precision and depth than I have, then the energy is there for it.
hannah claire brimelow
So what advice would you give to, you know, Riley Moore, who might be the new congressman from West Virginia coming in the fall?
I mean, it sounds like it's a really challenging model if everything is sort of working against you.
matt gaetz
It really is.
And I couldn't give someone advice that could make them sufficiently resilient.
You have to believe that you ran for this job for some reason other than self-aggrandizement or to go be the valet for special interests.
And some people convince themselves that, like, well, I start as a low-level valet,
but I can move up.
And instead of just being the valet for the Corolla, I can be the valet for the Cadillac.
And then after that, the Maserati and the Rolls-Royce.
And I just look at that and say, it's dumb.
It is just, why do you even want to do that?
Wouldn't it be better to lose on the stuff that would save the country rather than just
preside over our decline?
Because these people fear losing an election.
And candidly, I've done this for eight years.
I have my moment in history.
I fear that my kids and grandkids are going to read that I was on the board of directors of this country when we went off the cliff, when it all turned upside down, and when the hope for America was lost.
And I know the people have the right values, but I see every day how disconnected our leaders are from that.
And it is tragic.
And so, like, the question is Phil's question.
Do you go every day and do you do you scrap and claw within that?
And oftentimes the people who do that justify selling out for their own advancement.
So I don't know this individual you're talking about, but I think faith is an important part of it, and mine is not perfect, but I think I've seen how the people of the strongest faith, even not my own faith, but they have strong faith, it gives them a true north that it at least is something to believe in beyond the bullshit that the special interests tell you, and then you literally hire a bunch of people who tell you you're right about everything.
Right?
People don't move up on congressional staffs because they tell their bosses they're wrong and dumb and ugly and lame and cringe.
They move up because they say you're doing great.
And that's what's addictive about it.
phil labonte
The fact of the matter is, like you said, the incentives are all wrong.
So, you're incentivized to, if you take the incentives and you try to work within the system to get things done, you're going to have constituents that are going to say, oh, he's a swamp monster.
You're going to have people saying, oh, he works with people I don't.
Because you have to, to have anything that's effective happen, you have to work with people that are going to make your constituents turn their nose up, right?
If you wanted to do something with, say, AOC, people are going to be like, Yeah, but I let them.
matt gaetz
Look, AOC and I do have legislation together.
We actually think that it's crazy our government's policies on psychedelics and psilocybin and a bunch of the other things that have shown the ability to save people's lives and let them have better marriages and just, you know, Interact in a way that is not criminal or institutionalized, God forbid.
So I will work with anyone and everyone to improve the lives of my constituents.
And you get credit for that, though.
Well, and I need the votes of people who don't agree with me and who don't really buy my shtick, right?
Who say that we want somebody who's going to go and just do the job and not try to create all this trouble.
What I try to sell to those people, and why I think some of them still do vote for me, is whether you agree with me or disagree with me, I'm doing this because I believe it.
And when the people see that in a leader, I think they are willing to give you grace on disagreement if they know you aren't full of shit.
tim pool
What was the reaction after the ouster of McCarthy?
matt gaetz
The first reaction was the one you curated in Miami, Florida.
I had not been outside of Washington since the Alistair McCarthy and everything that had been going on to try to replace the Speaker.
And I did not know.
And I went into that believing that might be the end for me, politically.
And I was okay with that.
I totally zenned out that this could be a suicide mission.
We had to make a change.
You know, the, gosh, what did we have, 800 people that were at that event?
tim pool
Standing ovation.
matt gaetz
They were there for us, and it definitely was a moment I will never forget.
tim pool
Because the one thing that I can say, you know a lot of people have complained about Speaker Johnson for a lot of reasons, but one thing I can say is... I'm one of them.
But you turned a billion dollars in dirty, corrupt, dark money garbage into confetti, as you described it.
And that is an amazing pie in the face for the corruption in D.C.
matt gaetz
Well, I appreciate that, but it is but one hill, because the Empire struck back.
Mike Johnson is a tremendous impressionist.
He can do an impression of anyone.
And I just wish he would do an impression of Mike Johnson from October.
Because the Mike Johnson I sat next to for seven years and talked about every issue with was against warrantless surveillance.
But we all heard him in surveillance when he said, here's everything I believed.
And then they brought me in the back room.
subject spending bills. But what we got was continuing resolutions, an omnibus,
tim pool
billions for Ukraine. But we all heard him in surveillance when he said,
here's everything I believed. And then they brought me in the back room and
when I walked out I decided all my opinions were wrong.
matt gaetz
Well you know what?
ian crossland
Thomas Massie says that he was full of it. That he was in the room with him, in the
skiff with Mike, and he was like, that didn't happen. And he knows that didn't
unidentified
happen. That's what he told us on Tucker Carlson. It was pretty fascinating. Yeah, I was
matt gaetz
not in the skiff with Mike, but what I can say is I would always afford
someone like the ability to have that type of earth-shattering experience. But
if that were to happen, then it is incumbent on you.
To convince the rest of us.
tim pool
Yeah.
matt gaetz
To really convince us.
To get the smart people who really think about these things and who are fully engaged.
And if it is that searing and that meaningful, then you have the obligation as our leader to either convince us or get out of the way.
tim pool
It's the one ring.
Speaker Johnson was handed the ring and he pulled a billbow in his face.
ian crossland
I was thinking of this like he's on the Death Star.
They're like, hello, commander.
Welcome to your new position.
Now here are all the secrets and what we're going to blow up next.
He's like, uh, and they're like, don't think about it.
And there's dudes with guns standing behind him.
And he's like, well, I signed up for this.
tim pool
That's too much credit for him.
ian crossland
Like, we're the Empire.
I want to talk about the Empire.
And I think it's the only Empire on Earth because the Japanese Empire was shredded after World War II.
The Ottoman Empire is no more.
tim pool
It's a British Empire.
ian crossland
Boromir.
tim pool
It's a gift to use against our enemies.
He thinks he can wield the power.
Absolute power tends to corrupt absolute.
ian crossland
You said you're on the board of directors of the Death... You didn't say the Death Star.
I'm going to call it the Death Star.
It's the most powerful military force on Earth.
It's a business corporation.
So, like, how do you function on the board of directors along with Mike Johnson and other people in Congress?
To not to soft landing.
We don't want to blow up the earth.
We don't want do we want American military bases all over the earth?
Are they just going to turn into corporate military bases if we if we give it up the liberal power structure?
matt gaetz
Well, if you look at Before the projection of power that you see now, there was a lot of corporatized force.
Look at Latin America in particular.
The whole concept of the Banana Republic is because United Fruit and Standard Fruit were down in Latin America standing up armies and carving nations out of the wilderness for corporate interests.
So it's not as if no part of the world has never seen what you just described.
But in terms of how I interact with a lot of these folks, Folks know what they're getting with me.
I don't have any secret plays.
I'm very transparent.
I'm very direct with people.
And folks can usually take to the bank that if I'm going to put my mind to something that usually we can be effective.
ian crossland
Do you guys get involved with the World Economic Forum and try and be like, look, we're headed towards a new world order of some sort.
Maybe it won't be the liberal one anymore.
You know, BRICS is obviously making a play, but do you guys get involved with these big corporatists?
matt gaetz
Yeah, but I don't know if I grant the premise, Ian.
I don't know that nationalism is dead.
I look at what's happening in the Western Hemisphere right now.
I mean, look at these elections that we're seeing in Europe.
Look at what's going on in Germany throughout the culture.
I actually believe that we could be in the renaissance of the nation-state.
And that those are the folks that should be more worried about us than us being worried about them.
ian crossland
I'd like to see it, but Canada's the monarchy of Canada.
It's like the King Charles of England is the king of Canada.
You want to call it a nation?
matt gaetz
You totally should have just made them the 14th colony.
ian crossland
And Australia.
matt gaetz
We knew there was oil there.
ian crossland
The emperor is the king of Australia.
matt gaetz
They would be singing Yankee Doodle instead of God Save the King.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I think Western Canada would join America in a lot of ways.
I mean, I think some of them have their own ties to their national identity, but a lot of Canada is unhappy with how they're governed.
They're just sort of the minority because they're run by Justin Trudeau and because they have mass immigration that supports a more progressive government.
matt gaetz
Yeah, but the answer to that isn't deconstructing the globalist entities that are interfering with Canada.
The answer to that is Canadians.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it falls back on the citizenship.
I think we should have more countries that feel as though their citizens are important and cultivate national identity.
matt gaetz
If El Salvador could do it!
I just got back from El Salvador.
I went there to Bukele's inauguration.
This is one of the most impressive people I've ever met.
I'm sitting there looking at a country that was functionally a failed state and now is poised to be the Singapore of the Western Hemisphere.
And I'm thinking, if this country of six million could do this merely by locking up 70,000 people, Then I just, I don't buy that Canada is so under the thumb of the globalists that they can't prevail.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and it seems like essentially it took, I know there's more, it's more complex, but it basically took one guy to turn it around.
I mean, really a lot of these countries need to pick a leader who believes in their citizens and wants to stand by them.
matt gaetz
Yeah, and it's got to be more durable than that, right?
You know, it's got to be more durable than one guy.
But I think in every major movement, there are people who, like, become the beachhead.
And I saw in people in the Congress, people in his government, people in the diplomatic corps, bukele-ism.
Like, arising as this notion of, like, we're going to have a great band.
We're going to have a national campaign that people aren't going to litter here.
This is going to be a beautiful place that people are proud of.
And that's the stuff that I think, like, gets into the younger generation.
Bukele told me the story.
He pulled out a picture of a poor little school in El Salvador, and all of the students there, there was police, there was a chef.
There was a businessman, and he said, at this school last year, all anyone wanted to be for Halloween were gangsters and bandits.
And now every one of them wanted to be something else.
And you compare that to us.
I mean, when I was in El Salvador, Tim, Ginger wants to go sing karaoke, as you know.
She loves her some music.
So we roll out to karaoke, and everywhere is all this stuff about Father's Day.
I'm thinking, do they celebrate Father's Day a different day?
And some of the people at the bar said, oh no, we celebrate Fathers the entire month of June.
We think so much of Fathers.
tim pool
Fathers Month!
unidentified
I was like, ah, we do something else in the month of June.
hannah claire brimelow
But we should.
We should have a culture that is pro-family because that's one of the most effective ways to turn younger generations around, right?
I mean, this idea that you have young students thinking criminals are what they should aspire to be, I think that is something that happens in America as well.
But if other countries can change, hypothetically, America could too.
I just wonder if there are enough people who are willing to act on it day to day.
matt gaetz
I don't know that we aggrandize criminality so much as just virality.
Right?
We've got young people thinking what is good is what is seen instead of like what is making some progress or making things better.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
It's sort of about getting eyes on you as opposed to actually making a difference.
matt gaetz
Yeah.
And look, I deal with it myself, right?
Oftentimes we look at our work and if people are not observing the work we are doing, if we do not draw people in to the mission that we're on in a particular part of the world.
I was real instrumental in getting our troops out of Niger.
To your point about having troops everywhere, right?
But if no one knows that, if no one sees that, are we really making a durable point rather than just taking some action?
It demands balance.
tim pool
I want to jump to this clip that we have of you.
This is a tweet from Rep.
Matt Gaetz, who said, The interim chief investment officer of CalPERS wants more diverse perspective and DEI hires at his company.
matt gaetz
This is five minutes but worth every bit of it and the end is the best.
tim pool
All right, well, let's hit it.
Let's play it so you can hear it.
matt gaetz
Mr. Bienvenu, how much do you invest each year on behalf of how many of your members?
unidentified
We manage a $500 billion portfolio on behalf of our 2.2 million members and beneficiaries.
matt gaetz
And you've highlighted your principal responsibility is return for those beneficiaries, right?
tim pool
Now who is this guy and what does he represent?
matt gaetz
So this guy represents all of California's public workers and he invests all of their money and what they're doing is they're bullying companies to accept DEI and ESG if they want these investments and if they make the investment...
They're actually going in and voting against folks who might be on the board based on the color of their skin.
hannah claire brimelow
And the public workers can't choose to use a different retirement.
matt gaetz
Oh, no.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, no.
unidentified
This is it.
hannah claire brimelow
They have to go with this.
matt gaetz
You're forced to work with this guy.
tim pool
Let's play the clip.
unidentified
The thing that we do every day is about generating returns to pay benefits.
matt gaetz
You've worked there 20 years.
You've been the principal deputy since 2020, right?
unidentified
I was named the deputy chief investment officer in August of 2020, or I'm sorry, in April of 2020.
Okay, great.
matt gaetz
And so I think there's some parallels between what's going on with ESG and DEI.
You don't deny that CalPERS has a DEI agenda, right?
unidentified
CalPERS is all about generating returns to pay benefits, and every topic that we approach is through that lens.
matt gaetz
Well, does DEI improve the returns to your investors?
unidentified
I think part of good governance of a company is having diverse perspectives brought to bear as they manage that company, and I feel strongly about that for the investment team that I lead also.
We want diverse perspectives.
matt gaetz
And what is the evidence that you rely on for the belief that the DEI agenda will produce better returns?
Is there any study, report, analysis?
unidentified
You know, as an investor, I read research reports constantly.
I probably read five, six, eight of them a day.
So over the course of my career, that's probably been thousands.
matt gaetz
I know, I'm just wondering if there's one that kind of sticks in your mind and you say, Congressman, I'm here to do good by these 2.2 million beneficiaries and my embrace of DEI.
This is what I can point to as the evidence that that's helping them.
unidentified
Every data-based study can tell lots of different things, and every data works that way.
That's the way investing works.
And remember that when we're focused on investing, we're focused on how we... Mr. Bambi, you can either decide to study or you can't.
matt gaetz
You can't, right?
unidentified
I found a study that actually CalPERS did.
matt gaetz
CalPERS did this study.
It's entitled Emerging Diverse Manager Data Report.
And I'm citing from the sixth page of report where it says, since inception, current diverse managers generally underperformed non-diverse managers in the asset class in the policy benchmark.
unidentified
Are you familiar with this report?
Can I see a copy of that study, please?
matt gaetz
Well, Mr. Chairman, I seek unanimous consent to enter into the record the emerging diverse manager report published by CalPERS.
Without objection.
I'm not able to show it to you now, but you don't have any basis to disagree with the agency you've been a part of leading, saying that the diverse, the DEI hires aren't doing as well as the non-DEI hires.
unidentified
As I say, when we think about diversity, we think about diverse perspectives being brought to bear on investment decisions.
matt gaetz
Right, but okay, so those are two different things, Mr. Biamini, because on one hand, there's provide returns for my investors, and what your own data says is that your DEI hire is underperformed there.
And then on the other hand, you say, well, these diverse perspectives are really important.
But I worry about the market manipulation and the bullying, because as I review what CalPERS has put out under its own investment guidelines, You brag about the fact that you voted against 768 directors at the companies you invest in most recently, and then in the prior year you'd only voted against 133 directors.
So, is CalPERS voting against people as directors for companies based on their skin color?
unidentified
We take up every vote independently based on the merits of the vote itself.
matt gaetz
Right, but do you ever consider, like, someone's skin color?
Because it's pretty immutable.
People don't choose to be white or black or Asian.
They just are.
unidentified
We choose based on what will make the best oversight.
matt gaetz
You're under oath here, Mr. Bienvenu.
Can you deny, under oath, that CalPERS is voting against directors based on the color of their skin?
unidentified
I can tell you we make every vote based on what'll make that the best board for oversight of that company.
matt gaetz
Right, but the best board is actually not doing so well.
So, Mr. Chairman, let's look at the scorecard.
In the state of Florida, where we aren't pushing ESG and DEI, the Florida retirement system is netting a 7.5% notch for the fiscal year.
May I enter that into the record?
Objection.
Reports only 5.8% for 2022 to 2023.
Can I enter that into the record as well?
tim pool
Without objection.
matt gaetz
So you're not performing as well.
Your own data says that your DEI hires aren't performing as well, and you were there for 20 years, and you applied twice for the chief investment position, and you were passed over for that position twice, and you said you weren't going to apply for it the third time because you'd been passed over twice, and I guess they've hired an immigrant to do that job instead.
Do you think that maybe You were passed over for some of these DEI reasons?
unidentified
CalPERS hiring decisions is their own hiring decisions and I'm not really a part of that
candidate.
Clearly you aren't.
tim pool
You know, so my question to you, Matt, is did you witness the spine be ripped from that man's back, or did he show up without one?
matt gaetz
He was not just a DEI purveyor, he was also a victim.
And, like, there are moments you want to feel bad for these people, but actually the institutionalized racism that is DEI only happens because there are people like that.
Because there are people that are willing to do it.
Imagine being one of the people that was up for one of these board positions and it was just, you were too white.
You didn't get hired.
And then what message does that send all the way down an organization like that and throughout the economy?
And at some point, isn't that why we have antitrust laws?
If there is collusion to literally de-white-ify the entire corporate system in our country, doesn't that seem worse than what Standard Oil was doing?
It does to me.
tim pool
Well, there's a funny meme, and I can't remember who posted it, but they said, isn't it funny that if someone flies an American flag, you know exactly who they're voting for?
unidentified
Yeah.
matt gaetz
Didn't used to be that way, by the way.
tim pool
That's kind of scary, because what that says to me is that there's an invasive force taking over our country.
matt gaetz
And if they're flying it upside down, I know how they're voting in primaries.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
But it's scary.
I mean, you have, you know, when I was at the Trump rallies in 2015, people are flying Mexican flags.
They're outside protesting Donald Trump.
matt gaetz
Isn't that the argument about nationalism?
At some level?
You know, people are flying their flag.
tim pool
Yeah, but they're flying it in the United States, saying, make California Mexico again.
And then you have millions of people crossing the border, they march to this country with their flags of their home nations, illegally enter, and then my favorite thing, Is, uh, I said it sarcastically, Joe Biden claiming he's securing the border by setting a threshold to allow illegal immigration.
Crossing the border is a crime.
matt gaetz
Okay, okay.
Can we get into the Biden border thing?
unidentified
Yeah, of course.
matt gaetz
Okay, so first of all, we get Joe Biden raising his hand at the Democrat debate, saying, I will give the illegal aliens free health care.
We remember that moment, right?
A pretty searing moment.
He gets elected.
They show up at the border, like, waving their Biden signs with their Biden t-shirts.
Kind of obvious that that moment has induced this.
Then they all get here, and then they say, the border's secure.
Remember there was the whole border is secure era?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, they also said he had gone to the border.
Like, we don't know what's going on.
matt gaetz
Well, then after they couldn't maintain that era anymore, they went to, the border is chaos,
but it's actually the Republicans' fault that the border's in chaos.
And we're like, yo, just reinstitute the Trump policies.
Like, no, no, no, we have to have the Lankford bill.
Then we went into that era.
Remember the era where the only way we were going to secure the border was with a bill
that let in 5,000 people every day.
And a bunch of us were like, you actually don't need a bill at all.
You just need to undo the stuff you did to screw with the Trump policies and everything
will be fine.
And lo and behold, here we have with no bill at all, Joe Biden doing the very thing that
we've been calling for the whole time, maintaining the border that Trump did, or at least asserting
he will.
tim pool
But what he's done is...
If you go back to when, I think it was Homan, was that his name?
He says it is a crime to illegally cross the border outside of a port of entry, and he cites the code.
What's happening now is Joe Biden says, oh, we got 10,000 coming across the border every day.
Well, I'm going to make it 1,500.
That's an increase of 1,500 from zero.
It's all illegal.
They should all be deported and arrested and detained.
Why are we allowing any amount of it?
matt gaetz
Well, we shouldn't.
I mean, by the way, and that's not enough.
I mean, we truly have to engage in internal enforcement of our immigration policies at this point or we don't have a country.
And it's simple.
There's no reason an illegal alien should be released into this country if you have the title 42 public health authorities remain in Mexico and safe third country.
Those three things give you a detain or remove option with every illegal immigrant.
hannah claire brimelow
But shouldn't we also disincentivize people coming here illegally?
Like, shouldn't we end birthright citizenship so people don't say, well, I just need to rush to the border and have a kid?
matt gaetz
We're in the minority in the developed world with the way we treat citizenship.
tim pool
I think we're the only country in the developed world that doesn't.
matt gaetz
We get played by third world narcos.
Like, the next generation of cartel talent slip across the border, have their babies, and then they get the full suite of rights that we would afford any American.
And the Chinese get their birthing suites!
unidentified
No, no, no.
hannah claire brimelow
They do it via surrogate, too.
tim pool
This is the crazy thing.
It's a surrogacy.
They'll hire an American woman to carry a Chinese Communist Party child, and then it's born in America, brought right back to China, but has citizenship rights.
matt gaetz
We're literally being reduced to our wombs for the Chinese.
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy.
But this is the thing.
matt gaetz
I feel like it's the last step in one belt, one road, our wombs.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, we hear a lot about mass deportations.
Is Trump going to do it?
I think that would be a great idea, but I don't think it's enough.
We should enforce the laws in our books.
Yes, but we should also revise the laws that encourage people to come here illegally.
matt gaetz
And that requires an attorney general that's willing to write a policy on subject to the jurisdiction thereof around the constitutional provisions of birthright citizenship, and I'm for it.
phil labonte
Matt, you're aware of the people that were arrested, I believe, in New York, essentially ISIS members?
Yeah.
The repercussions of having an open border and having this kind of stuff, because if there's six that were picked up, I mean, I don't think it's six out of 10 million.
I think it's probably a whole lot more.
And it's not just one group.
There are multiple groups that have significant problems with the United States and have, I personally believe, that have used the open border to send people into the United States to cause problems.
matt gaetz
Remember that trip Mike Johnson led House Republicans on down to Eagle Pass?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
matt gaetz
We got there a little bit early and we talked to some of the folks who were there and they said, Congressman, some of the folks angriest about this are FBI and Homeland Security investigations because they had a whole special group here that they'd rounded up that they had questions on based on country of origin, where they were from, not saying everyone was a terrorist, but definitely some people that deserve some extra screening.
And when they found out all of you were coming, those folks were dispersed and just sent out anywhere.
phil labonte
Also, I heard Mayorkas talking about U.S.
installations along the road that they're taking to get here in other countries.
I don't remember, I don't have the clip up here, but I heard Mayorkas talking, I think it was in front of Congress, talking about there are U.S.
installations assisting people that are making the journey.
Which, I don't know the ins and outs of it, but that seems absolutely absurd to me.
But it also doesn't seem out of what the administration would do.
matt gaetz
It's a global network.
We see evidence that it's a global network, and we are a piece of that.
And we fund that.
And I was told by our House leadership that in the last spending bill, the reduction in spending of the NGOs that move people around by 20% was a real concession that we got.
A real win.
ian crossland
What was it up from the year before?
matt gaetz
They've been dealing with sizable increases.
I don't know the percentage.
ian crossland
But they did 20% less over a year?
One year?
matt gaetz
Yeah, but I mean, look, we should not be paying for one cent of our own invasion.
If like the hill we were dying on was the NGOs, then we should have gotten every bit of that.
hannah claire brimelow
That's why I don't understand how we can send more money to Ukraine than we do to our own border.
Like, it seems crazy to me that this was the priority of the Biden administration, and to a certain extent, a lot of Congress.
matt gaetz
I mean, what happened?
Yeah, I had one of the senior leaders of the Marine Corps sitting down, and I asked him, you know, how big his budget was.
He told me, I said, what if we just doubled it?
So I've never had a congressman ask me that before.
Usually folks are asking me to cut money or what could I reposition, but gosh, I could do all these things if I doubled it.
You realize the last authorization we wrote for Ukraine is bigger than the funding of the entire Marine Corps in the United States.
We could give that money to Ukraine for one year or have an entire other Marine Corps.
And at a time when our recruiting is failing, when our facilities in a lot of these bases are, see the barracks moldy and the food's bad, like for our own troops, it sucks to see us doing this where we're not even following our end use monitoring laws, where we're retiring Ukrainian debt service.
And I sort of wonder like what victory looks like.
And when I've asked questions of the Biden admin officials, like, okay, so Does Putin's strategic defeat, that's what they always use, does that mean that Crimea has to be repatriated?
And the answer from all of them is yes.
Right, so this is the new forever war.
And I'm sorry, but I've lived my whole life watching these wars.
phil labonte
There'll be nuclear missiles flying if it's wrong.
matt gaetz
Oh no, I don't believe that.
I think that the goal of the liberal order and the regime is to maintain Ukraine as a weapons and money laundering mecca for the next 30 years.
phil labonte
Yeah, but we have Russian ships off the coast of Florida now.
matt gaetz
I'll be straight with you.
I'm not worried about Russian assets near Florida so much as I am the Chinese ones.
And you know, and I'll explain it because Cuba used to have all these, you know, rusted out Russian facilities.
They barely could get the propane to those places to turn the lights on.
Okay, they were so sucked up into what was going on in Ukraine.
And then over the last Several years, we have seen the Chinese go in with a leveraged buyout of Russian assets in Cuba, and you're seeing new antennas, you're seeing new intel, you're seeing new crews with new manning structures, and that is a Chinese
You know, stationary aircraft carrier 90 miles off my home state.
That worries me less than, like, some Russian vessels sort of wandering by the Florida coast.
ian crossland
Worries you more or less?
matt gaetz
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
The Chinese in Cuba worry me more.
tim pool
I just got an idea real quick.
Just totally.
Yeah.
Because I pulled up this photo for the previous segment where all of these illegal immigrants are wearing shirts that say, Biden, please pull this up, Serge.
Biden, please let us in.
And they have their heads down.
They're acting sad.
I just got an idea.
Here's what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna buy a bunch of properties in like New York, Chicago, and LA.
And then I'm going to rent them out at great rates to young, liberal college kids.
And then after a few months, I'm going to let them know that I've decided to let a bunch of illegal immigrants stay in their apartment free of charge, and they're gonna have to take care of them.
It's on them, but they're good people, so they'll accept it.
And then we'll see what their politics turn into.
hannah claire brimelow
Is this also a reality TV show, or are there hidden cameras?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
matt gaetz
Ladies and gentlemen, the jury, Mr. Poole did not actively engage in human trafficking in this experiment.
ian crossland
Sounds like you're attempting to inoculate their psyche.
tim pool
I let him in.
And it'll only be the illegal immigrants who have been paroled.
matt gaetz
You think them doing something wrong and then charging somebody else for it is something this crew wouldn't do?
tim pool
I am not seriously considering renting out properties.
But my point is, these people come to the border and they say, Biden, please let me in.
It's like, bro, he's not the boss of us.
We live here, too.
You're not asking Biden.
You're basically saying, hey, Biden, stab the American people in the back for me.
matt gaetz
By the way, this is not happening in Florida.
This is happening in New York, this is happening in Chicago, and there's a little bit of, you all wanted these sanctuary policies, you elected leaders who gave you these sanctuary policies, here's your fucking sanctuary.
tim pool
Yes, but it's affecting us politically.
They are giving Democrats free congressional seats, and they're giving them free electoral college votes, and then it's weighted against the American people when it comes to how we run our country.
matt gaetz
Yeah, well that's why I think the administration, the Trump administration, made a mistake in the last go-around by not Why couldn't the Trump administration get that done?
It seems critical to me.
That's a distinct feature.
Yeah, but that doesn't require some new law.
I think we've got the ability administratively to make that change.
hannah claire brimelow
Why couldn't the Trump administration get that done?
It seems critical to me.
matt gaetz
I think at the very beginning, you had people running that decision process
that were afraid of criticism.
hannah claire brimelow
Like a staffing error, you're saying?
matt gaetz
I think these were senior officials.
ian crossland
You know, it turned me off at the very beginning, but I was treating it more like asking me what my religion was or my medical history.
I was like, what?
Who has the right?
Now, in retrospect, they should have supported it more.
matt gaetz
I don't know.
Isn't it kind of like a count of the people in our country?
It seems legit to ask.
hannah claire brimelow
Doesn't it matter how many citizens are here?
matt gaetz
If you're a citizen.
ian crossland
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
So do you think that this is something that there's another way to correct for?
Or do you think that the unknown headcount of how many illegal people are in this country illegally will kind of go on?
matt gaetz
You don't get another census till 2030.
So you get Trump in, you change this policy, and you're on better footing for the next census.
That's the solution.
hannah claire brimelow
But that would come two years into an administration after that.
Is there, like, how many safeguards?
matt gaetz
Yeah, we gotta be ready to run the baton race.
tim pool
Oh, well, you know, this is actually a really, really interesting tactic for a landlord who's trying to evict their young, hippie tenants.
Just invite a bunch of illegal immigrants to live there, and then they'll be put between a rock and a hard place of, do I complain to my friends that my landlord is putting refugees in my house, and then become shunned and ostracized for being far right, or do I just leave?
hannah claire brimelow
But then what do you do with the illegal immigrants who are living in your building?
tim pool
No, they leave right away.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know that they would.
tim pool
Yeah.
matt gaetz
Why?
tim pool
Because the deal you offer them is like, hey, I'm gonna let you stay here for a week and say, okay.
matt gaetz
Oh, so you think desperate people will honor the righteousness of your deal?
tim pool
See, Matt, that's the best part.
They won't go to the police because they're scared of being deported.
matt gaetz
In this country now?
tim pool
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Because you mentioned- I'm not actually suggesting you rent properties out to young people and then move- I'm making a thought experiment point that they would- It's only fun if we get to probe your thought experiment.
hannah claire brimelow
Tim is trolling us live.
tim pool
The point is, they would never accept it.
That hippie, liberal, young people, lefty, pro-illegal immigration would go far right on a dime.
matt gaetz
Oh look, you see those pro-Hamas protests going around everywhere?
Those seem like some pretty sunshine revolutionaries to me.
Any place where they've turned on the sprinkler system, those protests have dissolved like a cheap piece of toilet paper.
tim pool
We suggested to turn the air conditioning off at Columbia and the protest is gone.
Yeah, turn the Wi-Fi off.
hannah claire brimelow
Wi-Fi, they're gone.
They can't tweet about what they're doing, they're gone.
Because you mentioned that Florida is operating so differently than New York and other places, I wanted to ask what your relationship with Governor DeSantis is like.
matt gaetz
Strained, unfortunately.
I wish it wasn't so.
Why?
I think that he takes exception to the people who back Trump, you know, who were Floridians.
A bunch of us did.
And when Ron ran in 2018, he had no bigger supporter than me.
It was a three-person show.
It was me, Casey, and Ron.
And I was really proud to be a part of that campaign.
I was Ron's transition chairman when he was first elected governor.
I was inspired by his leadership style.
But Ron is an extreme introvert.
And I knew that that would be on display in a presidential contest in a way that it might not have been during a governor contest.
And I don't think that makes him a bad person.
I work with people who are introverts and who are really great leaders and effective.
But when you run for president, you have to look like you're enjoying doing it.
And when you saw an energy with the vague, you always see it with Trump was having the best time handing out pizzas, telling stories.
And you know, Ron sort of always be always looked eager for the event to conclude.
And that was not unpredictable.
But, you know, I wish him well.
I'm a cheerleader for the policies that he's put in place.
Ron DeSantis has single-handedly enacted what we've been trying to do in Florida for the last 15 years.
And we're going to be a better state for it, but I can't say we have a strong personal connection anymore.
tim pool
Who do you think is next in line for the governorship?
unidentified
I don't know.
matt gaetz
It's a long time away.
It depends on how it goes in 2024.
And I think it also is just a feature of the rightward move of our state.
I mean, when I came up in Florida politics, we had 200,000 less Republicans than we had Democrats.
We have a million more Republicans than we have Democrats.
We look more like Arkansas than we do Florida and In the 2000s, which is kind of where people think about us politically.
So I think we're going to continue to have unified Republican control.
I think that we need a strong, bold, conservative leader in the mold of Governor DeSantis.
tim pool
Because it's not just that.
That's the easy one because you're from Florida.
But then there's also the heir to MAGA, as it were, like after Trump.
2028.
I mean, who's going to be lining up?
matt gaetz
I just am glad that that's the discussion we're having, because success has many fathers and failure is an orphan.
And, you know, we were here making the case about Trump being uniquely positioned to continue leading this movement at a time when people were saying, well, he's sort of done his part.
What's next?
What's the new flavor that we're going to seize on to?
And I think we understood the unique role that he had to continue to play.
And that's where I am right now.
I'm following President Trump.
I think that if we win, if we build out a great government, if we start delivering on strong administrative action, if we have a Congress that's a partner rather than whatever the Mitch McConnell-Paul Ryan two-headed monster was, if we get all that in place, then we're going to have a lot of great choices.
And we have a lot of great choices.
hannah claire brimelow
I know you won't tell me, but what do you see as your future politically?
Would you go to Florida and be the governor?
Do you want to run for another office?
Do you want to be in Trump's White House?
I mean, what happens to you in November?
matt gaetz
I don't know.
I really don't know.
And I've done this for a long time.
I first got elected to office in 2010.
And what I've learned is that, like, if you start to plan out, oh, well, this cycle, I'm going to run for this.
And then this opportunity opens up.
You know, just like the best laid plans of mice and men to me, I know what my job is now.
We've got to get this Congress fixed.
It cannot keep going like it is.
If we keep making decisions the way we do with the corrupt influences we have, then we're going to lose the country.
And I know that's my role and my job.
There are three quick ethics things that I think would fix a bunch of it.
One, if you ban the lobbyist and PAC money.
Two, if you ban members of Congress from becoming lobbyists or registered foreign agents.
Because so many people who are supposed to be working now for the people are actually thinking about their job on the other side of the wire.
And then the third thing is, for the same reason, you don't let the umpire bet on the game, we should not have members of Congress trading individual stocks.
You do those three things, It will have a really therapeutic effect on the institution.
tim pool
Yeah, but the issue I take with that is, you know, I want to adopt the Pelosi strategy, right?
That's where you track her stock investments and you get rich quick.
You ban Pelosi from trading, how am I going to know what to invest in?
matt gaetz
Just keep playing poker, Tim.
tim pool
That's right, I will.
matt gaetz
Chase the flush draw!
tim pool
I think that if Trump wins and MAGA Republicans win in Congress, and hopefully in the Senate, I think that could trigger not a civil war, but a realignment that forces a lot of Democrats to reprioritize to try and win elections again.
matt gaetz
So if— So they come back to the middle in your theory?
tim pool
They'd be forced to.
matt gaetz
So what you want is— That's not going to happen.
Well— Do you think that these genderless, purple-haired Woketopians are going to wake up one day and be like, you know, if we had more centrist economic policies, maybe we'd get more suburban white lady votes?
tim pool
Those people are lost.
But you do have a lot of Democrats who aren't purple-haired.
And what's going to happen is they're going to be sitting there saying like, look, we just saw like a five point swing towards the GOP in our district, which is supposed to be D plus 13.
Clearly, this stuff's not working.
We're going to lose an election.
We're going to lose ground.
Donald Trump going to New York, going to San Francisco, going to the Bronx.
I mean, did he go to San Francisco?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
He did, didn't he?
phil labonte
I know that he was in California.
tim pool
California.
phil labonte
But I don't know about San Francisco.
tim pool
I'm hoping that this can force—you don't think there's any hope at all?
matt gaetz
I think that men are leaving the Democratic Party at a rapid rate.
We're at a point where, very soon, the most masculine force in the Democratic Party are going to be the trans women.
They're going to be the ones in charge.
They're going to be the only men left.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's true.
I mean, I don't know what the Democratic Party has to offer men today.
You know, I think it's – I know we talk about this a lot, that the Democratic Party for some people has left them behind.
Their policies are more in line with what the Democrats were like maybe 50 years ago.
But I think ultimately there is – I think a lot of the youngest generation doesn't like either party and so they sort of look at each election sifting out, well, what are my interests and who is most qualified to represent me?
matt gaetz
Like, don't you think that the way the counterculture dynamic has worked in that respect leans right now?
I mean, we're either tied or a little bit up with the under 30 crowd.
And for some reason, me in particular, I do very well with the under 30 crowd.
And I used to be part of that crowd, but it's been a hot minute.
Uh, and so I think it's because, like, when I was in school, all my teachers were these, like, kind of liberal wimps.
I'm sorry, all my teachers were, like, the buttoned-up conservatives, right?
They were all the, like, you know, they all were, like, part of the Rotary Club and, you know, had their hair in the bun, and now they're the liberal wimps.
And so you got students now who are, like, the way to post up on your pansexual teacher is to, like, want to get married and be normal and straight.
tim pool
Yeah, I think the issue is Young people are lonely.
matt gaetz
No, there's a loneliness epidemic.
tim pool
And I think men and women are now seeing that the progressivism has led to just pain and emotional pain and loneliness.
So you're getting a lot of young men.
There was a funny story I heard where there was like a college party and all the guys were drunk and started singing the Star Spangled Banner and the women just looked around like, Like, what do we do?
Because women are going left and men are going right.
Younger guys, I think, you know, you look at Andrew Tate, you look at Jordan Peterson, you can look at the good or the bad, doesn't matter.
Young men are lonely, they're upset, and they're looking for masculine role models, and the Democrats are telling men to F off.
hannah claire brimelow
I think there is definitely an aspect to that.
I also think for the, you know, Fresh 18 to 22 year olds, they were young under Trump's economy and probably watched their parents stress less than they do now trying to set up their own lives.
matt gaetz
What's the cure to loneliness, you think?
tim pool
Friendship?
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's community building, and I think this starts with the family.
I think the nuclear family in America isn't valued enough, but we also see it in the fact that there's less religious participation.
People aren't volunteering at the same rates.
We are ultimately on our screens all the time thinking we're pseudo-connected to people as opposed to actually... The cure for loneliness for men is meaning.
phil labonte
Give them something to do.
Give them something that matters.
tim pool
But think about this.
17 year old kid, young man, sitting in his room, playing video games, saying, I don't know what to do to improve my life.
I don't know where to go.
Imagine one day they decided to go to church.
The people there would instantly be like, you're saved.
We love you.
You're amazing.
Come hang out with us.
We'll show you things.
We'll teach you things.
They're going to meet some guy and he's going to be like, let me show you how to do woodworking or something.
Instant community among people who want to help them and make their lives better.
I think this is probably why A lot of young men are drifting towards Jordan Peterson and, again, for better or for worse, Andrew Tate.
matt gaetz
And Donald Trump.
tim pool
And Donald Trump.
ian crossland
It used to be the military was a big part of a community like that and this weird military where they fired a bunch of people for not getting the... It's like... 8,600 people.
matt gaetz
More than the entire militaries of some of our NATO allies.
ian crossland
Talk about resolute human beings unwilling to waver.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
tim pool
Are they going to bring them back?
matt gaetz
Well, if they come back, they will not be automatically barred, but my legislation to give them full rank restoration and back pay, if we have screwed them over, we have not been able to get a vote on.
tim pool
I think that, you know, I've met many people.
It's not just the vaccine mandate stuff, which was a kick in the balls to many, many good people, but the DEI stuff in the military.
I've met many Officers who said that they've and many I mean like two or three because I don't know a lot of me But a couple I spoke to a couple got a lot of military who watch this show and a lot of enlisted guys But a lot of I've had a couple a handful of officers Tell me that they've resigned their their their commissions because of DEI I had one guy say that it was his dream to retire from the military as an old man and live out the rest of his days and he was leaving in his mid-30s because of DEI
matt gaetz
The old men who are willing to do that are the people who make a great country and lead a great country and inspire generations of service.
And I'll give you one of the DEI stories from this Biden administration.
Lloyd Austin comes in, he says, well, one thing that I'm going to do is I'm going to take everybody's picture off their promotion packet.
Because people's inherent cultural bias could get them to see the picture and not pick someone who isn't like them.
And then, of course, after that happened for a little while, do you think we became a more diverse officer class or a less diverse officer class?
Of course!
And then he had to reverse that policy.
But it just shows that this stuff is driven with such reflex, and it reduces us to our immutable traits.
Like, this is America, not some slave auction.
We're not reduced to our immutable traits.
We are a dynamic, interconnected group of people that ought to be able to judge one another based on what's on the inside, not on the outside.
That used to not even be a controversial view, and now, when you say it, people think you're a racist.
phil labonte
So, Matt, like I said before, I really think the biggest thing that young men need is meaning, which is part of the reason why young men do respond well in the military.
Like, you've got a team together, you've got guys together, you've got bros that you're hanging out with, you don't want to let your team down.
There's a meaning.
You've got a goal.
You can work together.
It's great for young men.
One of the things that I'm thinking about, or that has been on my mind lately, is the fact that when you have a nation of young men without meaning, that have economic problems, you've got a tinderbox of social problems.
Because young guys that don't have stuff to do, they go out and they get into fights.
They go out and they commit crime.
They go out and they do bad stuff.
What kind of policy Is it possible?
Not even should we implement.
What kind of policy is possible to fix that?
Because right now I think that most of the problems that we have come from the fact that the young men are not being given any kind of support from society.
Is that fixable?
matt gaetz
I don't know.
I kind of like go back to the...
Like, the calls of nature, right?
Like, what does a man want?
Like, you want a companion, you want a family, you want a home, you want, you know, shelter.
Like, the caveman wanted certain things, and I think that we're not all that different now.
And the more you deprive people of that, the more it's like, hey, you don't marry someone in this country anymore, you marry their debt.
And you can't even have conversations anymore about being serious with someone if you're not going through how much debt they have.
And that is so sad and debasing and dehumanizing to us.
So that cuts against it.
And then home ownership.
I mean, you just saw the Fed today, Jerome Powell, saying that rates were going to stay the highest ever.
So good luck if you're in your 20s or 30s and you actually want to own something.
So we've moved away from the meaning of companionship, because we've made that harder.
We've moved away from the meaning of home ownership, because when you own stuff, you're
better to it.
And if you don't believe me, think about the way you acted last time you were in a hotel
room versus your own place.
And so I think that the policies that will encourage that.
that will be policies that reduce this deficit.
Again, as we're talking, we're accumulating this debt, deficit, making money more expensive,
and that makes it harder for people to live their dreams and achieve that meaning.
phil labonte
Now you're talking about something that's extremely important to me, mandatory spending.
Everyone knows that Medicare, Medicaid, are the major drivers of our debt,
that we spend more money servicing the debt than we spend on our entire military.
Every single year, we're spending more, and we're only gonna spend more.
There is no plan at all?
What?
No plan?
And how come no one can come up with any type of plan that can even broach... I understand that it's radioactive, But everyone also knows that the dollar is going to be blown up.
You're going to destroy the value of the dollar if people don't want to continue to buy our debt.
So what do we do to fix it?
How do we fix the unfunded liabilities and at the same time not toss grandma and grandpa into the ocean?
matt gaetz
I think every journey starts with a single step.
And on mandatory spending, for me, you start with the Medicaid program.
I would freeze Medicaid and block-grant it to the states and say, this is what you got.
Go innovate.
Go do your thing.
And there'll be some states that'll totally blow it, and their poor population will probably be worse off.
And there'll be some states that'll come up with the way to deploy 5,000 AI doctors to their poorest people or they'll find some way to get primary care to
people faster and easier so that they're not in higher expensive acute care and then
the goal under the federal system we have is that the best practices will
emerge and be copied and that's how you do it as opposed to the system now that we
have built around Medicaid where if you're a state you get more money the
more you spend. When I was a state lawmaker in Florida for every dollar we spent on
Medicaid we drew down a buck 48. Why would you want to spend less? You want to
spend more because that enhances your drawdown.
So what is the maximum we can spend on this population?
And that creates that sense of dependency that makes people, I think, less productive otherwise.
So you start by block granting Medicaid.
I think that creates momentum for other mandatory spending reforms.
ian crossland
You know, I think the way to fix the economy, one way to do it is to focus on GDP rather than the money itself, the gross domestic product.
What are we producing here domestically?
And if we start with hydrogen and we start retrofitting our economy to a hydrogen-carbon fuel system, like a hybrid system, The hydrogen can be run through the methane ports that we already have open, according to Jim Tuer at Rice University.
You can produce this stuff from carbon trash by hitting it with 7,000-degree electricity, called flash-joule heating.
You get hydrogen fuel and you get graphene byproduct.
So it's profitable to create hydrogen.
The key is you've got to convince the carbon industry that we're going to...
Increase your profits.
We're not going to lessen your money because we're going to start using hydrogen fuel.
We're actually going to turn your carbon into graphene and we're going to keep pumping that oil.
We're going to keep drilling for that coal.
And that then will have massive production capacity.
And then the dollar is just automatically worth 10 times more or whatever.
matt gaetz
Because if you're producing more, more people are buying in the dollar.
ian crossland
For sure.
tim pool
So I love it.
ian crossland
It's cheaper.
tim pool
It's amazing.
It's such a great idea.
It aligns very, very well with what I view as the more MAGA-aligned view of the United States.
Unfortunately for you, the deep state, bureaucratic state establishment military industrial complex says, gee, Ian, that's a whole lot of work.
How about we make a bunch of guns and go brown people in foreign countries so that they're forced to use our dollar?
ian crossland
Yeah, they're going to keep doing that.
tim pool
It's not about convincing the carbon industry to adopt new metrics or new systems.
It's about shutting down the cabal of psychotic warmongers.
ian crossland
Or repurposing their focus into a drone destruction program where we're blowing up drones instead of people.
You can even paint the drones brown if you're obsessed with it.
tim pool
That can affect the profits of the corporations, but it doesn't change the fact the likes of Hillary Clinton and her ilk and the Liz Cheney's are thinking if we put more of our young men and women in harm's way in foreign countries, they'll be forced to use the petrodollar.
They don't care about drone program profits or whatever.
They care about can we point a gun at a foreign country so they use the petrodollar.
matt gaetz
Well, it's a carrot and a stick because you go drop, you know, The reason they give the dollar, everyone said, why are we giving 12 million in gender studies to Pakistan?
that's going to occur in the dollar.
Right. So that's...
tim pool
Yep. The reason they give the dollar, everyone said, why are
we giving 12 million in gender studies to Pakistan? So that they spend the dollars. They want more of them because they
They have an incentive to value it because they have value in it.
ian crossland
You're right that the OPEC or this dollar, where they're forcing people to use the U.S.
dollar, that's a problem.
But what's going to happen is some other country is going to start pumping out hydrogen with this flash jewel technology before the United States.
And then the entire world is going to have to pivot and we're going to be... Don't even disagree.
tim pool
And that's why I think Trump is right.
If you look at the direction the MAGA politics, the populist politics are going, it's secure our borders, bring jobs back, get the Americans back to work, better trade agreements so that they're not offshoring our jobs.
matt gaetz
And stop being weird.
tim pool
And stop being weird, for sure.
But Trans-Pacific Partnership, you're out the window.
Then you look at the Clinton, Biden, Obama, deep state garbage, the Cheneys, and it's, we don't want to do anything for the American people.
We don't have to.
We're going to make guns and we're going to bomb people.
And then they have no choice but to use our stuff.
And sooner or later, you're correct, there will be a shift.
Russia just shuts down euro and dollars on their market.
China's dumping dollars.
They've been dumping bonds.
They're going to adopt Bitcoin and gold.
And then one day we're going to wake up and be like, why is the dollar worthless?
You pumped out massive amounts of it.
The war machine was faltering and failing.
And you did nothing at home to build up GDP.
So that's why I like when Trump, he got three billion reinvested in Michigan for auto manufacturing.
Think about how crazy, that was amazing.
And then as soon as Biden comes in, right back to Mexico.
matt gaetz
One way to enhance our GDP is when all the Taiwanese move here because China makes a move on Taiwan.
Everyone's like, oh no, what will we do when China takes Taiwan?
We won't have a blender that speaks five languages anymore.
And I'm thinking like, well, where the fuck do you think these Taiwanese are going to go?
They're not going to stick around.
They're coming here.
You know, so that probably bodes well for us.
We got a little learning to do.
phil labonte
No, no, but the Biden administration would turn them away because they're that kind of smart administration.
matt gaetz
I don't know if that's a fair critique of Biden.
ian crossland
There's a company.
unidentified
I don't care if it's fair.
phil labonte
Screw him.
ian crossland
There's like a private company that's working on this flash fuel production technology for the carbon and the hydrogen.
But what's the good, best way to work with the government?
matt gaetz
for a large private graphene corporation to kind of subsidize- Look, man, I knew I did not learn enough about graphene for this episode, but- You've been here before!
You've had time to prep!
unidentified
I know!
matt gaetz
It's on me!
I had a few other- I was trying to keep Steve Bannon out of jail today.
I'm hoping to talk about that.
Maybe that's our 10 o'clock hour subject.
But if you look at how those things have been scaled with technology principally throughout our nation's history, it's through the DOD.
It's through the military.
For most of our lives, like in Silicon Valley, the most important stakeholder, the most important investor has been the Department of Defense.
And now we're in a really different incentive structure where our brightest minds are not working on Breakthrough technology our best minds are working on how to keep you on a video view for 0.8 seconds longer And you know what's the what's the way to get more likes on a meme?
ian crossland
Not how to get lasers and munitions like if we had DOD Working with graphing corporations to like set up facilities all over the country and be like look We've got them in your district.
We want to put one in every state We want to put one in like three of them in every state Ian's already understanding congressional politics.
matt gaetz
You're going to want to start with the state of the appropriations chairman, the speaker, the key authorizers for armed services.
That's really where you're going to want to sprinkle this imaginary project you're on.
tim pool
We've got to go to Super Chats.
But I'll just do one quick question.
Did you see the Harvard—the news report on the Harvard study about aliens on Earth?
matt gaetz
I did not, and I try to keep up with that information.
tim pool
A Harvard—they call it a study—suggested that UAPs may actually be aliens that are on the far side of the moon.
I am not kidding.
This is what—the report came out of Harvard.
They said they could be humans from the future.
An advanced civilization of humans that we've long lost connection with.
They could be an advanced species of apes that live underground, or they could- I'm not kidding.
They could be elves, fairies, or gnomes.
I'm 100% serious.
matt gaetz
This is a- Well then one of them definitely has to be Bill Kristol.
unidentified
A gnome?
matt gaetz
Doesn't he look sort of like an elf, fairy, gnome?
unidentified
Dwarf.
matt gaetz
Permutation.
ian crossland
His lips.
tim pool
Like a mythical dwarf.
I don't know if the other one is offensive or whatever.
matt gaetz
If it's option three, it's definitely Gilchrist.
tim pool
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And we will read your superchats.
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The first superchat saying, howdy, people!
ian crossland
Howdy, Clint.
tim pool
Howdy.
All right.
Matthew Hammond says, can populist Republicans create a contract like in 1994 that says they will eliminate the D.C.
Circuit Court, pass Massey's Prime Act, pass Congress, can only invest in index fund and duplicate functions in federal agencies?
matt gaetz
Who would believe us if we did?
tim pool
Yeah.
matt gaetz
Right?
I mean, like, every time I turn around, someone's gotten some new lame, like, poll-tested, focused, grouped, like, contract.
How about just, like, do... I would like us to just do stuff.
And trust is built by keeping promises.
And we have broken a lot of them, frankly, as a House Republican conference and around the boldness and the vigor with which we should have pursued the Biden administration.
So, I mean, I'm just, you know, I'm less of a contract guy than just an action guy.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think that the time to pursue the Biden administration is kind of running out?
I mean, he's not polling particularly well.
What are you guys going to get done before the end of the year?
matt gaetz
How do you take seriously any effort to pursue these people while we fully fund them?
Kevin McCarthy's original sin was underwriting the debt for the Biden administration, and subsequent leadership has advanced the spending priorities of these people.
It's like, how could a parent ever have discipline over a child if you just keep giving them more and more allowance no matter what they do?
That's where we are.
unidentified
All right, let's see what we got here.
ian crossland
What do we have?
tim pool
The last campaign says, Howdy, did you hear about the new Texas Stock Exchange?
Is this a sign that Texas is ratcheting towards independence?
Have you heard about this?
They want to compete with a non-woke stock exchange, so Texas is going to launch their own.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
matt gaetz
I'm guessing it's going to be very oil heavy.
tim pool
I'd imagine.
Jonathan Timmon says, Tim, just wanted to say the Castbrew support was amazing.
Appalachian Nights now on sale at Okie Dokie Bakery in Oklahoma City.
I also wish we had a Matt Gaetz repping Oklahoma.
hannah claire brimelow
Is this that guy whose wife owns a bakery?
Because I think that's adorable.
tim pool
Maybe.
But Okie Dokie Bakery is selling Cast Brew coffee.
So go to castbrew.com and pick up Ian's Graphene Dream.
ian crossland
Yeah, let me know if you sell any of that Graphene Dream.
It's a new coffee blend.
Low acidity.
tim pool
Ian's got his own coffee.
ian crossland
Graphene Dream.
Get it now.
matt gaetz
You put it in coffee?
ian crossland
Oh no, we never did.
tim pool
Not graphene.
matt gaetz
I think that's uh... That's just a name.
Try to convince me that I know he's put something in there.
ian crossland
I would advise against eating graphene.
I'm not a doctor though.
tim pool
Pretty sure doctors are advised not to eat.
ian crossland
Yeah, like don't eat steel.
tim pool
Carbon.
ian crossland
Use it for building.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, thanks for coming to Florida and being my boss, truly.
matt gaetz
That is like the one thing I have, is that the people in my district are my boss.
I know that.
I know they're the only people I work for.
But we can't have every Republican move out of the Midwest.
We need those electoral votes, too.
I worry sometimes, every time I meet someone that's like, just move down to your district from Michigan.
I'm like, no, one fewer vote in Michigan.
tim pool
Well, here's one.
Greg Dubia says, Tim, I'm blackpilled after the North Dakota primary election.
North Dakota had a chance to pick Dr. Rick Becker, our version of Gates.
Instead, North Dakota picked a rhino.
I don't want to vote for the rhino or the Democrat.
Thoughts on write-and-vote?
matt gaetz
I had endorsed Becker.
I thought he was the preferred candidate.
Don't know much about North Dakota politics, just thought Dr. Becker was someone who would fight for people's liberty and it's a shrinking group that will, you know, I would say vote still because the hope has to be at this point that if you get Trump in there, courage will be sufficiently contagious and that people who are otherwise spineless will grow a backbone and actually engage.
tim pool
All right.
Zimemaru says, Matt, do you know my Florida Congressman Vern Buchanan, District 16?
If you do, any thoughts on him?
matt gaetz
I know Vern.
He's the dean of our delegation.
Been there a long time.
McCarthy screwed him.
He was actually in line to be the Ways and Means chairman, but McCarthy picked an inferior choice, a guy named Jason Smith from Missouri.
And so, yeah, I like Vern.
Good guy.
He's a car dealer.
Been a pretty successful guy.
tim pool
Alright.
Otaku Magnet says, Matt, are the politicians you work with that are pushing war so hard oblivious to the current anger citizens have towards their warmongering?
Do they think everyone will go along like sheep when they start drafting our kids to die for them?
matt gaetz
I think they're all stuck in a time warp where they think that anyone who wants to impose foreign policy realism is Neville Chamberlain, and anyone who wants to start three wars before lunchtime tomorrow is Winston Churchill.
And they sincerely believe that.
The war pimps are not just on the take.
They have bathed in a self-righteousness.
there's like a moral self-preening with them, with the neocons in both parties, actually. And what's
really crazy is that the Democrat Party has become the pro-war party. When there are these questions
about war powers and war and peace, there is no more anti-war Democrats. Even the people like
Ro Khanna, Ilhan Omar, who I used to work with on matters like war powers, they—you
Ukraine has radicalized the Democratic Party to be the pro-war party.
ian crossland
You're saying like war realists like Neville Chamberlain, because he's the guy known for appeasing Hitler when Hitler invaded Czechoslovakia.
matt gaetz
Neville Chamberlain was the He thought at the time, I'm appeasing Hitler, there's going to be no war in Europe.
ian crossland
And so they think now that if we give seed land to the Russians that they'll just keep going.
matt gaetz
Right.
Somehow they think that Putin in the Donbas and in Crimea is the same thing as Hitler in Poland.
Which is just insane to me.
ian crossland
No, the Germans have been building up a war machine in preparation for that invasion for like a decade before the invasion, or like eight years or something.
matt gaetz
Under the guise of- It was totally different ambitions.
There were different goals.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right, Jacob Bolley says, Tim, crew, and Rep Gates, I'm just so tired of these lackluster Republicans.
They are spineless and won't use their majority.
I'm done.
Either Congress does its job or I run for governor of Wisconsin and pull our state out of the union.
No more jokes.
You know, but what really bothers me is where's a single state to file criminal charges against any of these individuals the way they're going after Trump?
matt gaetz
Is that what we want, Tim?
I mean, there's an element of the Trump stuff that creates such a sadness in me.
I'm 42 years old.
I've given most of my life to the law.
I went to law school.
I was a lawyer.
I've been a state lawmaker, a federal lawmaker.
And to see the law used this way, it doesn't make me want to abuse it.
tim pool
Who said abuse it?
Yeah.
matt gaetz
I don't want the law to be a tool of retribution.
I don't.
And I think that it sucks that they've done this and they've crossed the Rubicon.
I don't think... I'm not like cheerleading some situation where we can go be like, oh sweet, we can do a bunch of extrajudicial punishment to people.
tim pool
What about judicial accountability?
We know that what Bragg is doing is... there's a criminal conspiracy, a seditious conspiracy.
matt gaetz
We have Bragg in the House Judiciary Committee the day after sentencing.
What would you ask him?
tim pool
I mean, the most obvious one is, and it's tough because I know how they weasel their answers around, like when you were questioning the DEI guy, you're like, oh, and they give you this roundabout answer.
First thing we need to know is, has there been any communication between you and anyone in the DOJ?
Yes or no?
matt gaetz
Anyone on your team and anyone on their team.
tim pool
Right.
matt gaetz
Are you aware of any decision that was influenced, informed, in any way?
tim pool
But they're going to try and trick you.
So it's, you know, my approach would always just be, have you had any communications with any, have you or anyone you are working with been in communication with the Department of Justice?
Yes or no.
And then they're going to play their game where they're like... Well, Congressman Poole, there are a lot of communications that happen in the world.
matt gaetz
Communications that happen on the phone, over email, there's some communications that are in person.
tim pool
So that's a yes.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
Appreciate it.
ian crossland
There's even a faptic coupling.
tim pool
That's a yes.
There you go.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
That's a yes.
We'll put that down.
ian crossland
What if they say not to my recollection?
tim pool
And these are the games they play.
This is why I'm not convinced that these, like... And they give me five minutes.
matt gaetz
Doesn't that seem like an insufficient amount of time?
tim pool
But this is why I'm saying we need a red state AG or whatever just to be like, hey, how about this?
Hillary Clinton destroyed public records.
She also has a campaign running in our state.
Is there an overlap between the people in her organization who committed these crimes that we know about and anything her campaign had done?
And then we actually hold them accountable for the things they've done.
Not extrajudicially, not retribution, quite literally, okay, we're not playing games anymore.
We know that there are criminal actions taking place, we're going to start charging people for them.
matt gaetz
And that has to be done not to settle a score, but to set a deterrent.
I've become the biggest cheerleader of Bukele.
He went in with his cabinet at the very beginning and said, I'd like to start the meeting by informing everyone here that the Attorney General will be investigating everyone for their financial situation, including me.
And lo and behold, one of their ministers was a rat in the woodpile and had some bad drug money and got found out.
And that's the kind of thing that wasn't done to punish that guy.
But to set a new standard for a country that wanted to pull itself out of the mire and into a respectable place.
And we kind of almost got to do the same.
As we've descended into third world chaos, we almost need to look to some of the things that countries have done to right the ship.
To your super chat that's going to run for governor, the future of Governor of Wisconsin, this is a beef I have with some folks.
We need people to run for office, but we also need people to run for stuff they can win.
We need populists on the school board, on the county governments.
at the state legislatures and it's so frustrating when I see people who would be an ideal mayor
or they'd be really great cutting their teeth in the state legislature say, oh no, no, no,
what's most important to me is that I run for Congress.
Then they come in like fourth out of seven and are not as capable.
And there are more of us than there are of them, but not if we shoot ourselves in the
hannah claire brimelow
foot.
Right.
And all the funding that went to their campaign could have been more effective for a smaller
matt gaetz
And I hate for it to come back to the money, because as I started out this discussion, I want to build a model that is less about the money and more about, are you inspiring an audience to take action that can get you the most votes?
But at the same time, you have to have resources for any project.
For this podcast, you guys have to have a budget and resources, and that creates an ecosystem where you can thrive economically.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and you have to steward the money well, so especially if you're running for a state office, if you have people in your local community supporting you, wouldn't it be better if you invested the money wisely in a seat that you could win and really make a difference?
If you have bigger ambitions one day, that's great, but why don't we start somewhere that you can affect change?
tim pool
I don't know, maybe this guy's worth a hundred million dollars, you know?
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, if he wants to run for governor, you know?
matt gaetz
Well then his super chat should be more.
He should have more superchats if he's worth a hundred bucks.
tim pool
It was a good superchat.
Here we go.
CT's has met.
Are you going to co-sponsor Ana Paulina Luna's legislation to ban artificial food, uh, food dues?
hannah claire brimelow
Dyes.
tim pool
Okay, dyes.
And high fructose corn syrup.
Those things are poison.
matt gaetz
I am.
unidentified
Yeah.
matt gaetz
I've talked to Ms.
Luna about it.
I've been a part of working on that bill with her and I'm going to co-sponsor it.
She's awesome.
tim pool
One of the biggest investors.
matt gaetz
Have you had her on?
tim pool
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
unidentified
In Congress.
hannah claire brimelow
When we were in Lauren Bobo's office, she came on.
matt gaetz
Oh, right on.
ian crossland
People were cycling in.
tim pool
R.F.K.
Jr., when we interviewed him, it was very obvious to me that there's actually only one thing he deeply cares about.
And I'm being a little hyperbolic.
He obviously cares about a lot of policy issues, but when you ask him about abortion, when you ask him about guns, he says, oh yeah, oh geez, oh yeah.
And then when it comes to toxins in the environment and our food, he lights up.
Electricity surges through him and he says, you've got the biphenyls, you've got the BPEs, plastics, you've got pesticides, he knows all about it, he's pissed about it, and he's right about it.
matt gaetz
So, I've been radicalized by Luke Rutkowski, who says there is a biological war being waged against each of us, and you become susceptible to that if you allow it, and you have to take affirmative steps to become resilient to that.
ian crossland
Dude, I just did an intestinal cleanse for that.
tim pool
Okay, that's great.
ian crossland
I'll tell you all about it.
tim pool
So we actually, we do have plastic water bottles.
matt gaetz
That's in the special hour.
Ian's intestinal cleanse.
phil labonte
No, no.
It doesn't even have to be in the special hour.
We could leave that outside.
unidentified
We don't have to.
phil labonte
We're not even talking about it.
ian crossland
All this stuff about loneliness.
I was in the hospital last week and we're not even going to talk about that either.
matt gaetz
What are we doing, Bannon?
Are we going to keep doing Super Chats?
Because I have to give you this Bannon update.
tim pool
Bannon, what's going on?
matt gaetz
What should we do to attend?
tim pool
Bannon, right now.
matt gaetz
Okay, I believe the only way Steve Bannon does not go to jail is if there is a vote at an entity called the BLAG, the Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group.
It is made up of the Speaker of the House, the Majority Leader, the Majority Whip, the Minority Leader, and the Minority Whip.
So the Republicans hold a 3-2 in this.
Bannon is going to petition for an en banc review of this determination to revoke his bail.
When he does, I believe the BLAG should and will take a 3-2 vote for the House to seek leave to file an amicus brief with the en banc court that the January 6th committee was illegitimate.
It was illegitimately formed, it was a runaway committee, it did not have a proper minority member, and whether it's Peter Navarro or Steve Bannon, nobody Nobody should be sitting in a jail cell because they would not comply with the absurd musings of a committee unlike any before in our nation's history.
ian crossland
Talk me through that again.
So he would go to this committee, this five-person committee where there's three people.
And if they vote in favor, then they would create a committee?
matt gaetz
What they would do is they would go to the court and say, we want to tell the court that it is now the official view of the House of Representatives that the January 6th committee was illegitimate.
And then Bannon's lawyers could ask the court to take judicial notice of that vote by the blag, which would then give them a basis to allow his bail to stay in effect.
tim pool
And Republicans can do this with the majority?
matt gaetz
The majority.
The Republicans can do this without even taking a floor vote.
Mike Johnson, Steve Scalise, and Tom Emmer can do it, and it is my belief that they are working toward that end as we speak.
tim pool
Oh, wonderful.
That's good news.
ian crossland
What about Navarro?
tim pool
Huh?
matt gaetz
He deserves the same thing.
tim pool
Yeah, he deserved it yesterday.
He shouldn't even be locked up.
matt gaetz
Should not.
ian crossland
What's the justification that the court was bunk?
If these people were to say, vote 3-2, what would be their justification?
matt gaetz
Oh, sure, yeah.
The legal argument, I mean, if you look at the construction of any committee in Congress, it is informed by the majority party and the minority party providing their members.
And then the minority, pursuant to the legislation that created the January 6th committee, requires a ranking member.
Well, instead of that, Nancy Pelosi kicked off Jim Jordan, kicked off Jim Banks, so we took all of our minority members off and said this is an illegitimate committee.
Nancy Pelosi then put Liz Cheney on.
Didn't make her the ranking minority member.
They put Kinzinger on, too.
They made her the vice chair.
So this thing was not acting in accordance to the House resolution that had established it.
And so its subpoenas were subject to this legal gray area that it's not a crime to say you want a court to resolve that question.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Cameron Keir says the Democrat convention in Chicago will be 1968 all over again.
I agree.
matt gaetz
Wait, you think so?
tim pool
Oh yeah.
We're not going.
We'll be at the RNC.
And it's tough.
It's going to cost us money.
We're going to be losing money on it.
But it's more important.
But not the DNC.
matt gaetz
I don't think there's going to be any drama at the DNC.
I think they're riding with Biden.
hannah claire brimelow
And you think the protesters will think that's cool?
tim pool
Do you remember the 2016 DNC and RNC?
matt gaetz
Yeah.
tim pool
I thought that we were going to see, you know, before the RNC, I'm like, this is going to be a big protest, the Republicans.
Nope, nothing.
Some marching.
At the DNC, a thousand plus people were ripping the barricades down, trying to hop over them and storm into the DNC.
The leftists were livid over Bernie Sanders.
matt gaetz
Oh, so you're saying the Bernie bros were more agitated than the Jeb pinstripe crowd?
tim pool
Yeah, at the RNC, it was kind of just like, oh, Republicans, they're doing their thing.
And I'm like, but we have Trump.
And then at the DNC, it was bedlam.
Wild.
The left is trying to take over the Democratic Party.
matt gaetz
The way you're describing it, it makes me want to watch you cover the DNC so much more than it makes me want to watch you cover the RNC, just to be honest.
tim pool
No, no, no, don't get me wrong.
Ilad Aliyev was probably going to be there on the ground, but I have grown quite fond of living.
So we won't be going to Chicago.
matt gaetz
I don't think we've gone soft, bro.
During the Vice days, you would have been there.
tim pool
You would have been on the ground, getting us the skinny... Well, to be fair, during the Vice days, nobody knew who I was.
So when I'm on the ground, I can mind my own business.
A few years after that, I show up and they're chasing me.
They're running up to me, they're screaming in my face, and they're trying to... What's that like, Tim?
It's literally impossible to actually cover an event.
matt gaetz
Because if they're coming up to you and just... You've just described my afternooner to Ruby Tuesdays.
tim pool
Nice.
ian crossland
You just ask people their name when you meet them?
matt gaetz
No, people are always very kind.
I get a detractor here and there.
tim pool
I love making eye contact with people.
When you're out in public, it's mostly, I would assume 99% of the people are fans.
matt gaetz
Yes.
Well, I'd say it splits about 90-10, truly.
tim pool
Really?
Yeah.
matt gaetz
The worst I ever get- I mean, I know I'm not for everyone, but like, the people who hate us, they do sort of- part of the reason they hate us is they think we might be dangerous.
So sometimes you just get like a sneer.
hannah claire brimelow
Because I think they wouldn't approach you, right?
Probably the people who come up to you like you.
matt gaetz
Well, and I'm super approachable.
I don't mind when people come up and express their displeasure.
I thank them for their feedback.
It's part of the job.
If you don't want to be yelled at, don't do this job.
unidentified
Is it like Democrats who come to you?
matt gaetz
I mean, you know, where I'm from, we've all heard of Democrats in the wild, but we've not really seen one.
It's sort of like the Florida Panther.
ian crossland
The closer you get to one, the more you become like one.
tim pool
I'm in New York, and it's supposed to be Democrats everywhere.
Oh, I love your show, man.
It's really great stuff.
ian crossland
It's hard to adhere to this president right now.
I mean, he's failing.
matt gaetz
I've had people come up to me and tell me, I would never vote for you, but I have newfound respect for you because I watch you on Timcast.
tim pool
Timcast viewers who wouldn't vote for you?
matt gaetz
Yeah.
tim pool
Wow, that's surprising.
matt gaetz
Well, there are people who watch this show who do not agree with you, who are not going to vote the way that you want them to vote, but it's just intellectually provoking for them to observe the discussions.
tim pool
Well, a lot of libertarians, too.
ian crossland
With the DNC, I don't think it's going to be crazy this time, because I don't think the fervor is there, the Bernie people that were betrayed.
matt gaetz
Like, who feels jilted by Joe Biden?
ian crossland
Yeah, no, nothing.
Maybe if they swap out Biden and put somebody in before, there'll be riots.
matt gaetz
Oh yeah, imagine if they skipped over Kamal.
If Gavin Newsom rode in like a white knight, the K-Hive would go crazy.
ian crossland
That could be, that could make some noise.
tim pool
I don't know, like, Kamala is kind of just a mannequin in the background, you know what I mean?
She's not really anything there for anybody.
Is anybody really excited?
matt gaetz
Charlamagne Than God says she's the one with the main character energy.
unidentified
Really?
matt gaetz
Yeah, Biden doesn't have the main character energy, it's Kamala.
hannah claire brimelow
Well he definitely has no energy, that's true.
matt gaetz
But- Just shit your pants energy.
tim pool
Kamala has as energy as any ski energy.
Biden's gone.
Kamala Harris is a non-player character.
ian crossland
I feel like she's biding her time, like, very, like, standing there watching, acting like a native.
matt gaetz
How are they ever going to skip her?
How is the part— They can't!
hannah claire brimelow
They set themselves up so they can't.
matt gaetz
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
They also don't want her.
She doesn't poll well enough for them, which I find fascinating.
They have put themselves in an impossible position.
And for what?
What did they gain from any of this?
matt gaetz
Who do you want to see debating her in the vice presidential debate?
tim pool
Vivek.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I don't want Vivek to be vice president.
I would love to see him tested in Ohio first.
I am really interested in J.D.
matt gaetz
Vance.
I tried to get Vivek to run for that Ohio Senate seat.
hannah claire brimelow
You did?
matt gaetz
I said, Vivek, you've got such great talent.
You're not going to be president.
You should run for the Senate seat in Ohio.
He's very gracious about it.
I love Vivek.
He's cool.
unidentified
He's really cool.
matt gaetz
But he wouldn't so good in the Senate.
Imagine him on the floor of the Senate.
hannah claire brimelow
And in all of these meetings where he gets to question people, he would have been amazing.
matt gaetz
I know.
hannah claire brimelow
Who do you want to see debate Kamal Harris?
matt gaetz
I asked you.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I asked you second.
matt gaetz
I think that Rubio or Vance would smoke her in a debate.
And I've known Rubio for 20 years.
tim pool
I think Rubio's going to be the VP.
matt gaetz
So I think you'd be great.
I really do.
I think you'd be great.
I think you definitely want a senator.
Here's why.
If you really look at the way that these appointments have to go, This notion that the majority leader of the Senate dictates the calendar is a new construct.
We need a vice president that's going to be like John Adams and sit over there in the Senate and preside over the Senate and say, oh, guess what?
You're not going to confirm our nominee to CIA?
Well, I've just decided that we're out of session for six months and the administration will be making some recess appointments.
Like there's a way, there's a way with a vice president who knows the Senate.
To do that.
So you gotta find somebody who gets it enough to be able to execute, but who doesn't have such reverence for it that they're sitting around waiting for, like, you know, Mitch McConnell's replacement to be de-thawed.
tim pool
I don't trust Rubio.
I view him more as an establishment player.
ian crossland
I would love to have him in here.
I don't know him.
If you know him, we should talk.
hannah claire brimelow
I've heard really good things about him.
tim pool
That means a lot coming from you.
matt gaetz
I don't agree with him on everything, by the way.
He talks the same.
tim pool
The rumors that I've heard is that it's already a done deal for VP.
And I've stressed this to an absurd degree.
This is not coming from anyone in the administration.
It's coming from, like, Beltway Politicos.
matt gaetz
Tim, I'm 100% certain this decision has not been made.
unidentified
Alright?
matt gaetz
100% certain.
and there's only one person that's going to make this decision and it's Donald Trump.
This is not so everyone who's like, oh well this person as the insider is going to make
unidentified
the decision. Trump is making this decision. If it's Rubio and the Senate seat opens up
hannah claire brimelow
would you run for Senate? I don't know.
matt gaetz
If I was going to go to an old folks home, the Villages sounds a lot better than the Senate.
By the way, I'll be in the Villages on the 18th of June.
Go to MattGates.com.
hannah claire brimelow
I just read that the average age in the Senate is like 64.
Wow.
Fascinating.
tim pool
I'm not a fan of the Senate at all.
I think we've got to get rid of the 17th Amendment, I believe it is, right?
matt gaetz
If we can't fix the People's House, what hope do we have at the House of Lords?
My thing has to work in the House or it's not going to work there.
ian crossland
How tight are they with the British?
Monarchy.
Who?
Our House of Lords.
matt gaetz
Our Senators?
I don't know.
They don't ever give me the secret handshake.
ian crossland
I wonder how deep they are with the Empire.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, we didn't fly the British flag in Congress.
It always flew the Ukrainian flag, so that's probably more of my concern.
ian crossland
That's the current proxy war of the British Empire.
I feel like we're a late-stage Empire, like in Rome where the Praetorian Guard are in control now, where if the Emperor steps out of line, they kill him and put a new Emperor in.
But Charles was just so backseat, and Elizabeth was so backseat, they're like, Live and let live.
Yeah, I could turn Canada into Britain and just make it part of England if I wanted to, but I'm not gonna, because you'd kill me and then take control.
So I think the CIA is really, I don't know if it's the CIA, MI6, are kind of running the empire.
And we're like business cahoots with them as the United States.
tim pool
And we will find out the answer to that question on the Members Only Call-In Show coming up in just about a minute.
So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends.
Head over to TimCast.com, click join us.
Members are going to call in and talk to us and we're going to talk about issues uncensored!
So it'll get a bit more spicy.
But again, TimCast.com, that'll be in about a minute.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast.
Again, become a member, smash the like button.
Matt, did you want to shout anything out?
matt gaetz
Yeah, go to MattGates.com.
Join the movement.
We need you.
ian crossland
Oh, my pleasure.
Thank you for having me.
Good to see you again, dude.
Yeah, let's go deeper next time in about five minutes.
See you guys.
Ian Crossland.
Catch you later.
phil labonte
Thanks, Matt.
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can catch us this summer on the Destroy All Enemies Tour with Megadeth and Mudvayne.
That starts August 2nd, goes through till September 28th.
This Friday, we have a new video coming out.
You can pre-save now.
The link is in my YouTube page.
The song is called Let You Go.
You can check out our other video called Divine.
It's available on Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, Amazon Music, Deezer.
Thank you, Tim.
Don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
Hannah Clare.
hannah claire brimelow
Matt, are you and Ginger gonna go to Phil's tour this summer?
matt gaetz
Do you like Megadeth?
hannah claire brimelow
Are you a metal fan?
matt gaetz
How could I miss Phil's tour?
hannah claire brimelow
Okay, put him down for some tickets.
unidentified
Megadeth!
phil labonte
Are you into metal?
I can get you in.
matt gaetz
Uh, no.
I'll listen to folk music, but I'd come to listen to you.
phil labonte
There's nothing wrong with folk music.
tim pool
You gotta come play poker sometime at MGM.
matt gaetz
I don't know if that'd go well.
Do you have a poker table over there?
tim pool
We do, it's really nice.
We're setting up the show, so...
hannah claire brimelow
It's a summer of activities for you.
I'm Hannah Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for SCNR.com.
That's Scanner News.
Follow all of our work at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
Follow me on Instagram at HannahClaire.B and on Twitter at HannahClaireB.
Thank you guys for everything you do.
Bye, Serge!
unidentified
See you later, HannahClaire.
matt gaetz
Bye, guys.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at TimCast.com in about a minute.
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