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Trump Verdict MAY MISTRIAL, Alleged Juror Family PREDICTED VERDICT w/Christina Urso | Timcast IRL
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A Facebook post has emerged where someone claims that they are family members with one of the jurors and they predicted the outcome before it happened.
This seems like a silly, random, nonsensical Facebook post that matters to no one.
But apparently the judge thinks it may be real, submitted a letter to both parties in the Trump trial—it's over already—showing this message, removing the MAGA crazies quote from it.
We'll read the full quote for you.
And now many people are speculating that the judge, with insider information on the jurors, may actually believe this is real.
Otherwise, why would they submit this letter to both parties?
There's a million and one reasons why this may be the case.
I have to wonder what the is going on.
Some are suggesting that Democrats realized Trump's improving in the polls and making tons of money, so they're trying to undo this and walk it back.
Maybe or maybe they're trying to trigger a mistrial to force Trump once again back to New York for another multi-week long trial to jam him up so he can't campaign.
We'll see.
We'll see.
It seems very odd because the Facebook post could very well just be fake.
But, uh, I don't know.
People are giving their reasons, so we'll talk about that.
Plus, we've got a bunch of weird stuff.
I mean, the Hunter Biden prosecution has rested.
We've got left-wing activists calling for the extermination of Republicans in response to Hunter Biden being criminally charged for buying a gun while being a crackhead.
It's the weirdest thing.
And then you've got NATO preparing for a full-scale invasion of Russia.
You know?
So, okay.
That's not fun.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Christina Urso.
christina urso
Thank you.
I'm Christina.
I'm an independent journalist, content creator.
I go by Radix Verum on YouTube.
I am at NotRadix on Twitter.
I'm currently directing and producing my first documentary, Kidnap and Kill, an FBI terror plot on the Michigan Whitmer Fednapping hoax.
You can watch the trailer, support the film, and learn more about it at knkfilm.com.
elad eliahu
Awesome.
Christina, I'm looking forward to hearing a little bit more about that.
Whitmer Case, I'm a journalist here at Timcast News, CNR News, a lot of Yahoo.
Hannah Clare, what's up?
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm back.
I'm also a journalist with SCNR News.
That's Scanner News.
Follow all of our work at Timcast News.
I think a lot's going to have some cool videos going up tomorrow.
Hi, Serge.
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Hey, guys.
Let's get into it.
tim pool
Your camera's all weird, though.
elad eliahu
Yeah, I just used the wide shot.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Well, there you go.
All right, everybody, here's the story from NBC News.
It's a weird one.
Judge in Trump's hush money case raises questions about social media posts claiming to preview jury verdict.
Judge Juan Marchand asked prosecutors and Trump's defense team about a Facebook post that appeared to preview, to preview?
You mean predict, NBC News?
What are you doing?
Today, the court... Actually, let me just see if I can pull up the letter itself.
This is from Brianna Morello.
She has the actual letter.
Dear Counsel, Today the Court became aware of a comment that was posted on the Unified Court System's public Facebook page and which I now bring to your attention.
In the comment, the user Michael Anderson states, My cousin is a juror and says Trump is getting convicted.
Thank you folks for all your hard work.
The comment, now labeled as one week old, responded to routine UCS notice posted May 29th regarding oral arguments in the 4th Department of the Appellate Division unrelated to this proceeding.
The posting entitled, The Appellate Division, 4th Department, will hear oral arguments this morning at 10, and the comment are both viewable, and then here's the link.
And this is signed by Judge Juan Mershon.
It's weird that we're getting this.
Now, Mario Nawfal has a great post.
He says, Judge Mershon edited the Facebook post copy, which is weird.
He did.
Here's the actual post.
Michael Anderson said, Thank you for all your hard against... This is an intentional error.
I'm reading verbatim.
Thank you for all your hard against the MAGA crazies.
My cousin is a juror on Trump's criminal case, and they're going to convict him tomorrow, according to her.
Thank you, New York courts.
Then responded, Now we are married.
One person that lopsided his free speech and said, Well, you just implicated your cousin in a crime if what
you say is true.
It is against the law for a juror to discuss the case before it is ended.
Thank you for shedding light on your cousin's actions.
I don't know if this post is real.
Some random person we don't know posted some stupid Facebook post.
Why is the judge highlighting this and sending the letter to both parties?
It only would benefit Trump.
If this is a legitimate legal proceeding, then Trump's lawyers can now argue for a mistrial, I guess.
I see this, I'd crumple it up, I'd throw it in the garbage.
I'd say, people post stupid things on the internet all the time, what do I care?
Some are suggesting Because the judge knows who the jurors are, that the judge has been able to verify that this person is in fact in some way related to one of the jurors and thus there's legitimate grounds for a mistrial.
I don't know that's true, but the question then is why did the judge send this letter?
hannah claire brimelow
There's something really funny about all of this being disrupted by someone's, like, semi-boomer-y relative on Facebook making a comment.
I think he has to alert the jury of it to keep the idea that this is a legitimate and trustworthy court up, you know?
The internet sleuths are never going to let it go.
It's already dated a week old.
So if he doesn't—if Marshawn doesn't get out in front of it, it's going to look like they are actively suppressing something that could affect the trial.
But again, like, watch out for your relatives on Facebook, man.
They could bring down everything.
elad eliahu
I'm no lawyer or legal expert, but I do think it's significant that the judge was bringing this up and thought to mention it at all.
I'm hoping it's an elaborate troll, though, because that would be the funniest.
Elaborate?
I mean, elaborate enough to get on the news and have to have a judge.
hannah claire brimelow
Or are there multiple comments?
Because even the emojis in the comment from- in the copy that Mershon sent out in the letter look different than the ones that are used in the screenshot we have.
Is this like one guy's relative who's like commenting on all of these things?
elad eliahu
According to an article by Fox 5, it says the profile for Michael Anderson has little publicly available information, but the user identifies himself as a trans, abled, and professional s-poster.
christina urso
Yeah, so there you go.
tim pool
Right.
So why is the judge entertaining this?
christina urso
Which makes it weird, though, because typically they would investigate this stuff anyways before it would ever make it out to the news.
Like, they would have already investigated this and looked into it.
This is weird.
I don't know.
I don't know what it means.
tim pool
So what NBC News is saying, when a defendant who has been convicted by a jury but has not yet been sentenced learns of alleged jury misconduct, he can move to set aside the verdict under New York criminal procedure law.
If a defendant can prove that jury misconduct may have affected a substantial right of the defendant, the remedy is a new trial.
That's bad for Trump.
A new trial means that he once again will not be able to campaign and will be stuck in New York.
They'd lock him down for another six weeks.
Unless Trump's thinking like, I don't know, we get another guilty verdict, we're gonna make another $400 million.
hannah claire brimelow
I was gonna say, this conviction hasn't really hurt Trump, at least so far, the way that I think they wanted it to.
It's not really affecting his His positions with independence.
It's not discouraging people.
It's obviously been a huge fundraising platform for him.
I guess the biggest issue is like if they have to go to retrial, what happens, you know, obviously with sentencing, being July 11th right before the RNC.
That is sort of the big hang up for me right now in terms of how does this affect Trump?
That seems to be where it could snare him the most.
But, you know, if you can make a billion dollars off of a conviction.
elad eliahu
Politically speaking, do you guys think it was better or worse for him to be found guilty?
Like, was he hoping for the jury to find him guilty so he'd be able to advertise and kind of have a rally around the flag effect?
tim pool
Not guilty is better.
elad eliahu
Not guilty is better.
tim pool
Not guilty is better because then he comes out and says they won't stop.
But they got their guilty verdict because they're in a Democrat jurisdiction where the jurors are like, I ain't gonna be the one to stick my neck out.
elad eliahu
And now let me flip it a little bit.
What do you think the Joe Biden administration is hoping for when it comes to this Hunter Biden case?
tim pool
Probably not guilty.
elad eliahu
Because if it comes out as not guilty, then it may look like some impropriety with the Joe Biden administration, like weighing the scale one way or another, not being able to get a fair trial in his favor in Delaware.
Because it's obvious.
The Hunter Biden charges are obvious with the gun charge and the tax evasion, as I understand, are like open and shut cases.
hannah claire brimelow
So if he's able to get away with them... And he was prepared to plead guilty when he had a plea deal.
christina urso
Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
But now he's like, just kidding, I'm not guilty.
elad eliahu
So then it would look biased in that way?
christina urso
I don't really know.
I mean, he's clearly a character.
I don't know one way or the other if they thought it would look better for him to be acquitted because then it just looks like it's not a fair system.
I think that everybody looking at Hunter Biden knows what he did.
Uh, and I think that they want to see him face the same kind of justice everybody else would have to face.
So I think it looks better for Biden if that happens.
And then he says, oh, look, the system works.
There's no favoritism.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
Do you think that there's a certain level of cynicism with the American justice system?
I mean, you know, because you have this documentary coming out about the Whitmer case.
I think there are there's a certain level of people saying, You can't trust a jury anywhere or a judge anywhere because there's so much political bias in everything we do these days.
christina urso
Yeah, I think that's merited.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
elad eliahu
I think there's some saying, like, a good prosecutor could indict a rock or something.
So, like, with all this evidence against Hunter, it would look like the scales were being tipped in one favor if he weren't found.
christina urso
I think that at this point, at least half the country knows that the legal system is corrupt.
Yeah, I think that- Like terribly so.
I don't know that it can be fixed.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and I think that's sort of what Trump's campaign is capitalizing off of right now.
People feel like they knew the system was not good, now they feel like they have this confirmation, and actually supporting Trump, donating to him, doing whatever, is the only way they can take action and sort of fight back.
That's a really powerful sentiment to have at your disposal.
christina urso
Yeah, definitely.
tim pool
I am confused as to why the judge sent this letter over what is an obvious troll post.
hannah claire brimelow
See how the emojis are different?
elad eliahu
Maybe he's trying to cover his basis, like, just in case.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think there must be multiple of these.
That's why we have this one here, but then the other one looks different.
That's my theory, at least.
elad eliahu
It would be good if it were a troll.
hannah claire brimelow
There are no prayer hands in that one.
There's only the celebration emoji.
tim pool
Yeah, it's the same username, though.
The image is different.
elad eliahu
Well, I think they could get to the bottom of this relatively quickly.
I guess actually they'd have to get a search warrant or something, but they could find the information if they were to digitally have communicated this.
christina urso
Yeah, you just depose the person who wrote it.
tim pool
Yeah, but then they gotta subpoena Facebook.
elad eliahu
I think Facebook's cooperating.
christina urso
Yeah, exactly.
elad eliahu
They're cooperating.
I know in the Whitmer case they were cooperating.
christina urso
Oh, they volunteered in the Whitmer case.
hannah claire brimelow
So, does this delay sentencing then?
Like, does this drag out the process in between, or does he still get sentenced on July 11th?
christina urso
No, I don't think that would change.
tim pool
I don't think it changes things, but it does seem like they're trying to goad Trump into filing something based on this.
hannah claire brimelow
Very weird.
christina urso
Yeah.
That could also be the whole point of it.
hannah claire brimelow
Ah, Facebook.
I'm telling you, Facebook and your relatives.
Dangerous.
tim pool
Yeah, but this is an obvious troll post.
Judge Mershawn is just not... I mean, I think it's fair to say Judge Mershawn is suffering from developmental disabilities.
I think that's an honest assessment by anybody who can read or see with their eyes.
And maybe this is just another example of him going on Facebook and going, oh, oh.
And then sending this letter being like, look.
And then it's like, oh, Judge Mershawn, that is just some random guy making a joke.
elad eliahu
Or some law clerks just quickly fumbling this together, super concerned.
He doesn't even look at it, think twice, signs off on it.
I wonder, could there be any legal consequences to a troll post of this?
tim pool
No.
elad eliahu
This magnitude?
tim pool
Just goofing off and posting a joke?
He said the person claimed they married their cousin.
No, when I were married, it's like, okay.
When I first saw this, I was like, why is everyone sharing this?
Like, what is going on?
And then people were saying that because the judge had this letter, they believe that it is at least some circumstantial evidence the judge has looked into it a little bit.
Argument being, one of the jurors' names might be like Rick Anderson or like Sarah Anderson.
And so then getting someone of the same name and like, hey, it's my cousin.
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And she said, you know, the judge is like, uh, I think the letter is to protect himself.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the judge is sending out the letter to say, like, look, we're aware of these things.
You're gone.
There's no bias.
We're telling everyone all this stuff.
I don't know that it necessarily says that it's actually credible.
tim pool
But again, that would mean that the judge is aware of jury impropriety and this may be indicative of it or evidence to that.
So he's trying to protect himself.
hannah claire brimelow
Maybe or just that, like, he knows that there could be a conclusion drawn by the public and he wants to say, like, oh, I was proactive about alerting both sides.
christina urso
They're not even supposed to have the appearance of impropriety.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I always wonder if Mershawn is going to retire from the bench.
What do you do after this?
Do you hang out or what do you do?
Because it just seems like any conservative leaning person who's brought to his courtroom on any charge is now going to be able to be like, but we believe that there's bias in this courtroom.
elad eliahu
Democrats are giving this guy a promotion.
hannah claire brimelow
To where?
elad eliahu
Where does he go?
Who knows?
Maybe he could take a spot somewhere in the administration.
hannah claire brimelow
Gotta call Kathy Hochul and be like, what's your plan for Michelle?
elad eliahu
Maybe a Supreme Court justice position to reward him for what Democrats would view as his patriotism.
Because you know this is a Democrat superhero now, this judge.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I just think he would retire and get a really cushy position at some university.
elad eliahu
Some attorney general or something?
Hey, you never know.
tim pool
I don't know about AG.
But let's jump to this story from AP.
Let's move to the Hunter Biden trial.
We have this from AP.
Hunter Biden's daughter Naomi testifies about her father and his federal gun trial ending first week.
I believe the prosecution has rested as well, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, they rested this afternoon, and she was the second witness they called.
So the prosecution called one of the clerks from the gun shop where Hunter Biden bought his gun to testify, saying, like, no, the form was clear.
The other one is saying, no, there's a reason why it's not.
Naomi's testimony I actually find really sad.
So she's testifying about this time period in 2018 where she went to visit her dad.
She brought her now husband then boyfriend with her.
They were like maybe moving some of his stuff using his truck and and she basically is saying like I didn't see any drug paraphernalia.
I was really proud of him for like dealing with his addiction and stuff like that. And there's
something about it to me that is just like, man, I'm so sorry. Like, I don't think the Biden
family is, I think obviously there's a lot of skeletons in their closet and stuff like that. But there's
a moment where like your daughter is having to come to your defense and be like, no, he was
trying really hard. And then you know that he's like, actually sleeping with like your aunt who just
lost her husband. He's wrecking that family. He's going to go on addiction again. Like he's just
such a chaotic person. It makes me sad for a lot of kids in America who grow up with parents who
are just completely consumed by addiction. Free Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden should not be
tim pool
criminally charged over this.
And he should be criminally charged and investigated over Burisma and things of that nature.
But it was one of our Super Chatters last night who made the point that the national instant background check system requires self-incrimination.
It's a violation of the Fifth Amendment.
And the only reason Hunter Biden is being charged is because he refused to self-incriminate.
I agree.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and I really wanted to hear more from sort of the 2A gun rights community on this case, because again, it does seem like something they would be like, except for the fact that his last name is Biden, we don't think you're being treated fairly.
You know, this is such a messy trial.
It's interesting hearing Abbey Lowell, his defense attorney, one of his arguments is
like well he did not think of himself as an addict and the form is phrased in present
tense because Hunter Biden had just completed this 11 days.
tim pool
Yeah, no, but they had evidence that he did crack like that day or something.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh yeah, and the texts say he was like searching for drugs, but the argument is like he was
sober, bought the gun, then did some more crack, relapsed.
Which is also sort of like that's your best defense?
Like, during opening statements, they have—sorry guys, I spent a lot of time reading about this this week—they have, you know, the prosecutors played clips from his autobiography, which he narrated describing his life in drug addiction, and lol, his defense attorney was like, Because the book came out in 2021.
His mindset at that state is not the same as his mindset in 2018.
So he really didn't think of himself as an addict.
And so when they asked him on this forum, it's a very weird defense.
elad eliahu
On principle, I kind of do agree that he shouldn't be charged.
But if that is what the laws on the book show, then it's what has to go forward.
Because then the double standard wouldn't be held if the shoe was on the other side.
tim pool
Well, I mean, peacetime Tim says you shouldn't charge him, but wartime Tim says I am for this and I think you should get life in prison.
elad eliahu
I think it was a similar strategy with how the Democrats were with the Stormy Daniel case against Trump.
It was really a PR battle more than I think what it had to do with the actual charges.
This case is the same way.
It's a PR and political issue for the Bidens and how they're doing this and how some of these details are being brought up.
There were complicated dynamics on display.
Haley Biden, who is married to Beau Biden, the president's elder son, was summoned by the prosecution to relive a portion of her life where she called it a terrible experience.
She bonded with Hunter Biden over the tragedy of her husband's death in 2015.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and she says that he got him hooked on crack cocaine.
elad eliahu
She eventually got him hooked on crack.
hannah claire brimelow
He got her hooked on crack cocaine.
elad eliahu
Yeah, so again, these are the details that they're dredging up that really is the issue for Biden.
One other big picture thing here is this is in Wilmington, Delaware, where the Bidens are extremely popular.
Joe Biden's been elected to Senate there like a dozen times or something.
So the Bidens are extremely popular there.
Jill Biden's coming to the courthouse there.
It's tough to see how a fair trial would be given there, given the community's biases towards the Bidens, because the Bidens are a big name in Well, in Delaware.
hannah claire brimelow
And Biden has said multiple times, but he just reaffirmed this during an interview when he was in Normandy, saying, you know, it's really simple.
He just responded with the word yes, but he was asked, you know, would you pardon Hunter?
Or is there no possibility that you would pardon Hunter if he were convicted?
he said yes, like I won't pardon him.
And then he's asked, you know, will you respect the outcome of the jury?
Obviously, this is kind of a dig at Trump from the ABC News reporter, but Biden says
yes.
And so there's this there's a cynical part of me that's like he's saying yes because
he knows Hunter's not going to get convicted.
But there's also part of me that is like, well, you've made this big deal out of how
you're not allowed to say things are unfair and this, that and the other.
So you have to say yes.
You're going to respect the system.
Apparently Biden's in contact with Hunter every day.
They talk on the phone, this, that, and the other.
You know, he put out one statement saying, I won't comment on a federal prosecutor, but I am proud of the man my son is.
elad eliahu
In Wilmington, Delaware.
tim pool
I'm not surprised Biden's proud of that.
elad eliahu
In 2020, Biden got nearly 27,000 votes and Trump only got around 3,500.
So just trying to understand where this is, a jury of Biden's peers.
tim pool
How are Delaware and Rhode Island states at this point, you know what I mean?
hannah claire brimelow
I was barely hanging out.
I had read this article or read this data from, you know, after the census every 10 years, they put out a thing being like, here's the ways that we have errors.
And I think Rhode Island was supposed to lose a congressional seat, so they only have like one, but there was an error in the population, so they got to keep two or something like that.
It was really weird.
The trial of Hunter Biden, again, I don't feel like I know enough about gun law to be able to comment.
It does seem like the kind of thing that people who are very pro-gun rights would be saying, this is unfair.
And I think some of the questions that people are raising, while weird and sort of nitpicky, kind of makes sense.
On the other hand, Hunter Biden openly admitted to being an addict.
This has been a big part of his narrative journey.
He's talked about it in his autobiography.
And I don't know that the Biden family has ever really addressed this issue in a way that is sympathetic enough to the American people.
I was honestly almost surprised that this prosecutor, you know, if we believe that Biden's pulling all the strings of the government, which I think it's mostly his staff, but like, how did this even get this far, where they were allowed to do this?
Except for the fact that at one point, you know, he had this plea deal for tax evasion, Hunter Biden did, and also the gun charges, and they were trying to mold them together, and we had a Trump-appointed judge throw that out.
It's just this weird clash of like, what are we allowed to do?
He's the first child of a sitting president to ever be criminally charged like this.
tim pool
Okay, hear me out.
I know everyone's concerned about the 2A ramifications for this case, but for now, what we should do is lock up Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, Jill Biden, Hillary Clinton, Comey, Clapper, Yates.
I don't want to read every name off the list, but we're only getting started.
And so with this, I accept putting all of those people in prison for a very long time.
elad eliahu
At least until we figure out what the heck is going on.
tim pool
That's right.
We gotta put a stop to this.
elad eliahu
Who would I put into prison?
Only somebody who's... I mean, we'd have to go through individual crimes.
I believe in due process still, even for my political enemies.
I think the Democratic Socialist of America needs to be abolished, so the entire political party.
tim pool
I believe in wartime reciprocity.
And so if we keep playing this game of guys, guys, Hunter Biden should go, no, don't care.
I'm completely over it because they're putting Bannon in prison.
Bannon didn't do anything wrong.
They put Peter Navarro in prison.
They're putting Trump in prison.
It's, you know, look, We're in a lawfare stage in this country, and if Republicans just keep sitting back and saying, well, I'll put it this way.
Imagine playing a game of Monopoly where you are watching the other person just take cash out of the bank and stick it into their pile, and you're like, you can't do that, and they go, yeah, I can.
And you're like...
I guess I lose again.
Like, at a certain point, you gotta be like, I'm not playing with you anymore.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
Have you ever played a game with a little kid who just keeps changing the rules so that he can win?
Like, that's sort of the impression I have for so much of this right now.
tim pool
Absolutely.
So at this point, I'm kind of like, given what they asked for, free speech in due process for those who request it.
For anybody who thinks there should be none, then we apply none.
And this means that there's only a microscopic .0002% of people who I would be okay with putting in jail without due process, and it's the people who have advocated for jailing people without due process.
You come to me and say, we should be able to arrest and jail these people.
I'm like, okay, we'll start with you.
There you go.
Look, the gun-controlled people Of all people defending Hunter Biden, I ain't playing that game.
You can't come to me and say you shouldn't be allowed to buy a gun and then defend Hunter Biden when he's doing crack and buys a gun, okay?
hannah claire brimelow
But he had been sober for 11 days!
elad eliahu
I think there's a relatable way, I believe, for President Joe Biden to talk about this.
I don't think it's unique to Hunter Biden to be in the thralls of addiction.
It really goes to show no matter how powerful and well-connected and privileged you are, you are not beyond the realms of becoming a drug addict and ruining your life.
So maybe if Joe Biden talked about it like that, I don't know if that would be politically advantageous.
hannah claire brimelow
But no other addict who had bought a gun under these circumstances would have been given the plea deal that Hunter Biden offered.
This is the conversation about the two-tiered justice system that I think really comes down to this moment.
Again, I'm happy to have a conversation about whether the law that's in play is real.
You know, to your point, if it's the one on the books and he violated it, then there is a level of like, he should be held accountable the way any other American would.
elad eliahu
It's hard to prove if you're a drug addict.
And I think he kind of got screwed over in how they had the contents of his laptop leak.
And then it became obvious.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, he talks about himself as a drug addict.
It's such a weird case because it's in his book that he narrated, right?
And he's also like getting his girlfriend slash brother's widow addicted to crack cocaine.
He had multiple girlfriends come forward and talk about it.
They showed the pictures of him like shirtless and holding a crack pipe.
It's not great.
christina urso
But how many crimes were committed like throughout those pictures like that were not prosecuted,
Like Tim said, I think that there are so many things he should be prosecuted for, like Burisma, like financial crimes, and I think that this, that they're getting him for this, this actually shows the two-tiered system that if this was anybody else, they actually would have been hit with fraud charges and all this other stuff, but this is what they're giving him to make it look like, oh, nobody's above the law.
I don't believe that.
tim pool
I want to jump to this tweet.
This is from Ellen Barkin.
Shout out to Ellen, who is, I believe, was she like a screenwriter or something?
I don't know what she does.
But she's got a couple hundred thousand followers.
She's a prominent Democrat activist on X. And she is absolutely outraged about Hunter Biden's predicament.
She says, what the GOP is doing to Hunter Biden might be the most egregious move yet.
In my opinion, the entirety of the GOP must be removed from our planet by whatever means necessary.
No bloodshed, though, because it's a real crime.
All fall down, you corrupt MFers.
The first thing I want to say is, uh, this is the DOJ under Joe Biden.
Democrats calling out Hunter Biden's crimes is ancillary to the fact that he's being prosecuted by his dad's administration.
Makes you wonder why.
Sure, I don't trust what's going on, but seriously?
The gun control people are in defense of the crackhead who bought a gun and lied on his background check form?
Why are you advocating for background checks if you defend a guy who lied on it?
hannah claire brimelow
This is a really weird time to be alive.
tim pool
Hypocrites!
This is why I'm saying, you know, Will Chamberlain talks about, and I think Jack Posobiec, peacetime conservatives and wartime conservatives.
I don't consider myself conservative, though the left does because they live in Wally World.
But I certainly believe in peacetime classic liberalism and wartime post-liberalism.
That is to say, these people have shown their colors over and over again.
They demand... It's a Mont and Bailey.
We need background checks for guns.
Hunter Biden clearly violates it.
No!
No background checks.
He's fine.
Let him go.
You're corrupt.
Dude, stop listening to these people.
They're not telling you the truth.
hannah claire brimelow
Careful, Tim.
Ellen's gonna send you to Mars, apparently.
tim pool
Yeah, because that's what she meant.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what I mean!
Like, she's saying, like, this really intense thing, and then she's like, but no bloodshed.
That's not what I mean.
Right.
Are you sure that's not what you meant?
unidentified
That's what she just said.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
I think that this is, again, I talk about it sometimes where there are people who are so committed to being Democrats and being part of the progressive part of the country that they don't actually think about their values or ideals.
And so she doesn't care that it's a gun charge.
She doesn't care about anything.
She just cares that anyone with the last name Biden should not be persecuted in any ways.
Forget all the details.
And that is weird.
I mean, even, you know, I think you could say the same thing.
There are some accolades for Trump who would say, you know, he is You could never be touched by anything.
But in this case, this is Joe Biden's administration that's in charge of this.
Again, I'm sort of surprised that this was even allowed to be brought to trial.
Maybe it's just that his crimes are so egregious.
Maybe to your point, they're saying, oh, well, we'll let him get a nice little plea deal on these issues and we'll ignore all the other ones.
It's hard to tell.
But it's sort of illogical hysteria that's going to plague a lot of American politics, especially going into the election.
tim pool
I've been saying Democrats are a zombie horde.
Right?
Some of them are lich kings, meaning they are undead and cognizant of the world around them, and others are just zombies marching forward at the command of the puppet masters.
These people have no idea what's going on.
They don't understand any basic morality or moral philosophy.
They have none.
Their claims, their desires, their policies are non-existent.
One day, women is offensive, so they say, Wemexin, I'm not kidding, with an X, and then the next day they say, Wemexin is exclusive because trans women are women, so just say women.
There is no functioning logic behind their desires.
It is just chaos.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
elad eliahu
I guess the issue here also becomes the weaponization of the DOJ, and once we start seeing Trump be indicted, we're going to see Democrat presidents in the future be indicted by ambitious Republican AGs.
Trump allies have been sentenced to prison time, many of them.
We spoke about Bannon last night.
Trump hasn't been sentenced yet, but Peter Navarro, in the past Paul Manafort, Papadopoulos, Roger Stone.
It's a long list, so if we see a sort of tit-for-tat escalation here is the real issue.
If Trump seeks reprisals when he gets elected, which I think he alludes to sometimes in a kind tone.
hannah claire brimelow
And then the Democrats, like, clutch their brawls.
They're like, he's saying he would lock up his political rivals and opponents.
unidentified
Because what have you guys been doing since 2021?
tim pool
Can someone, like, you probably don't have enough characters to make this list, but could we get a list of all of Trump's associates who have been falsely charged and imprisoned?
elad eliahu
Well I think it's like a flimsy charge is what people really believe, because in Steve Bannon's case, contempt of court has happened in the past, but Steve, contempt of Congress has happened in the past, but Bannon's the one who gets sent to prison for it.
hannah claire brimelow
Navarro's already in prison!
elad eliahu
Navarro's the same, right?
tim pool
I'm looking, the former Trump adviser... Allen Weisselberg?
elad eliahu
Four months after, yep, convicted of contempt of Congress for defying a subpoena related to January 6th.
hannah claire brimelow
It's funny because there are really long lists of people, like Forbes has one, Newsweek has one, but they also stopped tracking them after a while.
Like, if you Google this right away, which I just did, because I used to pull these names pretty regularly when I was reporting, and it would be like 11 Trump's associates, but that one is CNN from 2021.
Like, they stopped updating their list because they just got so ridiculously long.
elad eliahu
Hillary Clinton committed a crime by having a private server where there was government and redacted files that she shouldn't have had on private servers and then destroyed all the evidence with software.
They could have gone after her or they could have had her throw somebody under the bus if they wanted, but Trump chose not to prosecute.
His whole campaign was about locking her up, chose not to go through with it in the idea of unity, I guess, but it seems as though the Democrats do not hold back in not only indicting Trump's allies, but Trump himself.
tim pool
Trump thought he was gonna... Trump thought, I won, I'm the president, now I can be in charge.
And he had no idea what he was up against. He should have listened to Schumer.
When Schumer said the intelligence agencies got six ways from Sunday from coming after you.
Trump wasn't paying attention. And I think it's funny that, you know, people talk about Trump's hires.
that he...
He put the people in power who ended up doing these things to his associates.
It's the people he hired.
elad eliahu
Who was the attorney general to who recused himself?
tim pool
Oh, the South Carolina guy.
What was his name?
elad eliahu
It's been so long.
Jeff Sessions.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
elad eliahu
So even when they try to do it right, they can't get it.
tim pool
Nah, the deep state went to Sessions and said, resign now.
Or else.
You're in.
He's like, I'm out.
unidentified
I'm out.
tim pool
Leave me alone.
Leave me alone.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think there's any way to reunify America at this point, or is it just two political factions that are drifting further apart?
tim pool
No way.
I do not see there being a way to unify.
elad eliahu
The political norms kind of ends when you indict Trump.
tim pool
It's not just that.
It's like one group thinks that babies can be aborted at nine months.
It's just, and there's like, look, there's zero logic behind it.
I'm not a staunch pro-lifer, and this is not even the only issue, I am just trying to find the moral consistency and logic for the decisions we make and why we make them.
So I talk to a conservative pro-lifer, they'll give me all the reasons, they'll hammer them down, and I'm like, I completely understand exactly what you're saying, I don't know that I agree, That would be the appropriate way to handle it.
So the argument I would have with, say, any Ben Shapiro or Steven Crowder, is going to come down to, I understand what you're saying, but in the long run, will this result in a negative or positive outcome that we want?
The left's argument is, we have no idea, you're wrong, we want to abort babies at nine months.
No matter what logic you present or ask them, it's just, women can do whatever they want.
The best example, of course, was when we had that liberal feller, Lance, From the surf song.
And he said, a woman could abort whenever she wants her body.
And I said, can she do meth?
And he's like, no, because that intentionally kills the baby.
And then as I hold on there a minute, like, there's no there's there's no morals.
It's just chaos.
It is it is a raging.
It's a cultural fire.
And so if we keep if you You can't walk up to a fire and ask it to kindly leave your home.
And this is what I feel like a lot of conservatives are doing when they say things like, well, if the law says so, you know, well, fortunately we can't do anything because the law doesn't say.
And I'm like, your house is on fire.
You need to just get a fire extinguisher.
Instead, you're going, excuse me, fire.
The door is that way.
What are you doing now?
Now you're going to the other room?
Aw, geez.
As if the fire is going to abide by your logic and laws.
It won't.
It's going to keep spreading.
It's going to keep advocating for catastrophe, the sterilization of kids.
How about that?
Rampant degeneracy and abortions at nine months.
There's no reasoning behind why they want to do these things other than they just want to.
elad eliahu
It's just chaos. Yeah and on the politics of abortion I think Trump navigated that area
masterfully. He early on he was able to appease the pro-life faction of the Republican party.
He was able to appoint some pro-life judges. They end up appealing, not appealing, repealing Roe v
Wade. But now he's saying he doesn't want, he wants to have each state legislate their own way.
So, like, I think he's really being able to not be painted as an extremist, but still have the pro-lifers on his side.
Although he isn't full-throatedly pro-life, like, and he isn't seeking to outlaw abortion in every state.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it is a, it's an interesting issue that we now have on, like, do we have common goals as a nation?
Like, do we have something that we are trying to work towards?
Like, if everyone agreed we don't want abortion anymore, then the argument over like
12 weeks birth, like that would be a very different and I think probably more productive fight.
Whereas if you have one side that says we want them, the other side says we don't, like there's kind
of no compromise. You can make these compromises where everyone's unhappy, but it's not the same.
But you know, I generally think that this split is deepening all the time, but there are moments
where I'm like, maybe there's some Yeah, I have the same feeling.
christina urso
Most of the time I feel like things are so bad that there's very little everybody can agree on now.
There's very little middle ground.
Everything is politicized.
But I also feel like It's gotten so politicized and so polarized and crazy that people are also kind of tuning out of politics altogether.
They're not interested in politics anymore, and I think that that's a good thing, because then I feel like the shift is now more people who see what's happening to our country and don't like it and want it to change for the better, and then there are people that see what's happening, they think it's a good thing, and they want more of that.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's interesting.
Joe Manchin just switched to being an independent, left the Democratic Party.
Obviously, it's very interesting because West Virginia used to be a Democrat stronghold.
It's definitely a Republican state now.
It's one of the only states in the country that went entirely for Trump in 2020.
And he is ushering through this new Immigration bill, he is objecting to a rule that's out
there that's about basically how unaccompanied migrant minors are handled and managed
basically by the federal government.
And he is spearheading, they're calling it bipartisan, but it's him and like 40 Republicans
who have backed it, which is also interesting because when he came out as independent, there
was a question of like, but are you just independent in name only?
Are you still caucusing with Democrats?
What are you doing?
So he has this legislative effort.
He's working with Republicans and his objection to it is that the rules that they're using,
they say, you know, put basically put migrant minor unaccompanied migrants in danger.
They make it so there's no vetting of whoever the sponsor is, who's they're supposed to
send the migrant kid to live with.
And there's no follow up in terms of like home studies to see if they're safe.
It's dangerous.
And I'm sure there are Republicans who are signing on to this.
Maybe they do want child welfare, but also they say we want to stop incentivizing Like, sending minor children across, we want to fight human trafficking.
Like, there is actually a common goal in this even if they're maybe talking about different aspects of what the dangers are, if it's a burden for the American government, the taxpayers, things like that.
So there are these moments where I'm like maybe there is some sort of realignment happening but it's just not enough on the political front.
Maybe you're right.
The fact that it's happening kind of socially, that people are turning inward and saying, well, what are my values?
What am I interested in?
Instead of just paying attention to team politics is really how you would see the shift and the divide.
christina urso
I've also seen it, too, where, like, with the Republicans, they never really cared about, like, prison reform.
Like, I just attended both of the BOP oversight hearings, and I felt like that was, for once, it seemed like that's something they can come together on, that both sides can agree we need to reform the prison system.
elad eliahu
No, because Trump did some prison reform and then got wailed on it for it because it was bad.
I feel like Republicans in principle aren't the party of prison reform.
christina urso
They're not.
They don't care about solitary confinement and it's crazy because we have the political prisoners.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, I was going to say, maybe they'll care about it more in the wake of all the January 6th prisoners.
elad eliahu
Most of the people in jail aren't political prisoners though.
Most of the people in jail are just criminals.
tim pool
Yeah, I would say that is absolutely correct, but I do think the amount of political prisoners that exist is way more than people realize.
Extending well beyond J6.
There's a lot of You know, there's probably tons of stories of some dude who's in New York, L.A., or whatever, and they know that there's a politician who's doing something wrong, and the cop shows up at their house.
I remember reading about Bakersfield in California.
Some dude had evidence of police impropriety, and so they kept trying to find ways to get the crime on him and then lock him up, and they did.
These kinds of things happen a lot.
I'm a big fan of prison reform.
I think Trump was on the right track with it, and I want to see more of it.
We'll see, though.
I think if you were to have a sit-down conversation on prison morality, private versus public, etc., you're going to get garbled, insane nonsense from the left and hypocrisy.
elad eliahu
I think prison reform sounds nice on paper, but let's be specific.
When we're saying prison reform, you guys don't believe in lowering sentences for violent offenders, right?
tim pool
No, I think violent offenders get sent to an island.
elad eliahu
I mean, that sounds like prison reform the other way.
I agree with you.
christina urso
I mean, like, fixing the Federal Bureau of Prisons, you have dilapidated buildings that are falling apart, you have a high suicide rate, there's a lot of problems in the prisons as far as, like, human rights issues.
That is something that everybody should agree on.
They need more staffing.
They're understaffed.
The staff that they have Have a lot of issues.
They have addiction issues, mental health issues.
They have spousal abuse issues.
There's a lot of issues with the federal BOP that should be fixed.
From a bipartisan perspective, I wouldn't see any issues with that.
elad eliahu
I'm sure the jails are extremely corrupt.
tim pool
I've never been, but... My prison reform is, we should abolish maximum security prisons completely.
Completely abolish them.
If you commit a crime that qualifies for a supermax or maximum security, you go to the island.
And the island will just be one of thousands of different islands.
So if you're a violent offender, we say, you have been excised from society for your violent offense through due process, through evidence, we prove beyond a reasonable doubt, and then we say, You're free to go to this island and nowhere else.
And good luck.
You survive.
You're on your own.
I don't see why we're paying for you.
christina urso
I don't see why- Maybe more humane than an actual prison.
elad eliahu
I don't think- It is more humane.
tim pool
I think it is.
That's the point.
You're telling them, we're breaking up.
You've wronged us, so we are saying all the things we build, all the things we sustain, and all the rules we agree to follow, you don't.
So you can go live on an island, and there's fish in the water, and there's critters running around, there's deer.
I'm not talking like a tiny little rock, I'm saying like, you know, maybe a square mile or something.
And then, how many people can reasonably live on it?
Good luck.
That's why I say maximum security.
White collar crimes?
We can keep those prisons.
You don't need much.
Many of these places are like golf courses you can't leave.
And so you're caught committing financial crimes?
Okay, you're going to time out.
We're cutting off your access to the internet.
You're going to wear the white jumpsuit.
You're going to hang out, watch soap operas.
Nobody's concerned about you hurting anybody, but you did kind of screw with the system, so there you go.
And then for a lot of what we see on the streets?
Mental illness?
Mental asylums.
So we gotta stop wasting money on these prisons.
You know, a guy in a major city who joins a gang and then kills somebody, why are we being like, okay, now we're gonna go send you to hang out with your gang to learn more how to be a gangbanger?
Island!
hannah claire brimelow
It's never made sense to me, and I do think to your point, like, Right now, because we don't have any alters, we don't have asylums, we sort of just lump a lot of people together and it creates these very crazy systems.
I mean, when you talk about, you know, some of the violence data that comes out of it, people will always ignore it because they're like, well, the power structure in prison is very weird.
But it's like, so then why is this what we're maintaining?
If any of this, like, I agree, violent offenders, you know, You need to take it really seriously, but I also think that if the objective is to rehabilitate people, we're clearly not doing that.
And so it seems like this is a system that everybody is pouring money into, the taxpayers especially, that we are not seeing results from.
Like, there should be accountability there.
unidentified
So someone said... Where's that shit?
tim pool
I just missed it.
Oh, well.
Someone said, did Tim just realize he's created Cannibal Island?
I just want to stress if... I want you to understand.
If we all live in this society, whether we want to or not, you're born into it, and there are rules that we follow.
Some written, some unwritten.
And we all agree, you know what, we're going to do our best to get along.
And then, y'all come around with a gun, and like, I don't know, shoot a pregnant lady to steal her purse.
You have agreed, you don't care for the rules that we do.
So we say to you, good sir, we are going to exile you.
That's what we used to do back in the day.
Like, hundreds of years ago, exile was a serious punishment because you're on your own, good luck, don't come back.
I'm good with that.
Probably more humane than locking them in prisons where we joke about how they're gonna get raped.
Now we can be like, your worst case scenario is, you have no access to our roads, to our clean running water, to our showers and air conditioning, to our stores.
But you're free to live somewhere else, and if you call that Cannibal Island because that's what they end up doing, I don't see why that's our problem.
Everybody who lives here has the opportunity to abide by the rules and they don't want to.
What do you think is more humane?
Locking them in a cage where we joke about them getting raped by other people, where they could become hardened criminals and join gangs, or...
Go live the way humans lived a thousand years ago.
You're on your own.
elad eliahu
In my experience, criminal justice reform has kind of just been a Trojan horse for anarchy, at least in my experience in New York City.
Criminal justice reform candidates are usually George Soros DAs.
It works in conjunction with that, where they plea down and whatever charges are.
christina urso
It's like a narco-tyranny.
elad eliahu
Yeah, which is a bad thing, which is why I'm actually against criminal justice reform.
And then we see the way that it affects—in principle, again, it sounds nice, but then in practice, I feel like it always ends up going wrong.
It ends up to things like bail reform and cashless bail that we have now in New York City, which again, in principle, sounds nice, but leads to more violent crimes happening on the streets.
So like, on principle, I think it sounds nice, but in practice— Tell me how my prison reform would not result in a reduction of crime.
It's just, it's used as a euphemism, though.
The politicians who say they are for criminal justice reform are George Soros.
tim pool
Then stop using their language.
If the ideas we're attempting to convey are, how do we fix the prison system, don't use the language of the left, and then We need law and order DAs.
elad eliahu
We need not DAs focused on... I don't think that solves the problem.
tim pool
I think the idea of taking a 17-year-old kid who murdered someone to join a gang, putting him in a prison where he then joins the gang, which is in there, and they say, here's how you work in the system, here's how you work outside the system, here's how our gang operates inside and out, part of the gang operates inside and makes money doing so.
I'm like, there's a reason why These people don't fear prison because prison is just another component of how their gang operates.
elad eliahu
If the alternative is island, I'm with you.
If the alternative is, which is what most people do when they talk about criminal justice reform, is only giving him 10 years or 15.
christina urso
How about bringing back, like, medieval forms of, like, they used to have the stacks, they used to have other things.
hannah claire brimelow
We could really be creative about this.
christina urso
No, but for real, like, for people who were non-violent offenders or drug offenders, they throw them in prison, they don't get the rehabilitation that they need, why not do something different, more creative?
tim pool
I think the island is the most humane, and I think the island makes the most sense.
The reason being, if someone is innocent, all you're really doing is saying, like, we're breaking up.
Like, I'm not going to give you my stuff anymore.
So the worst case scenario is, it does suck to get exiled, but if you're innocent, at least no one's putting you in the stocks or whatever.
No one's locking you in a box where you might get raped.
You just have to figure out how to make a fire and, you know, I do think, I'll clarify this too because I was talking yesterday, the island doesn't just mean a desolate island.
I'm talking about very, very basic infrastructure.
We figure out how many people can reasonably be sustained on it, and there's a big building
with like bunks.
And then you guys sort it out.
You want to be violent?
You want to kill some woman because you stole her purse?
You guys can go figure it out.
You want to join a gang?
So how about this?
This is what they do.
These gangs will go to a minor, a 15 year old.
They'll give him a gun and say, this guy is on our hit list.
You go take care of him because you're only going to jail for three years.
And then when you get out, because you'll be a minor, you're going to say, the gang made me do it.
Then they're gonna put you in juvie for a couple years.
You get out, then you're one of us.
How about this?
unidentified
Sorry dude!
tim pool
Island.
A 15 year old.
Island.
You killed somebody.
Well, I suppose it's fair to say if you're a juvenile, there will be still some extenuating circumstances for, do we really blame the kid, but we cannot let that kid join the gang and go back to where they came from.
So then I think the answer would be for juveniles who do these things, they get exiled to other parts of the country and they have no communication orders with those other people or something like that.
But I think for any adult that's engaging this behavior, If you were to ask me, it's like, hey, you've been falsely accused of a crime, you can get locked in a box where people are going to joke about how you're about to get raped, or island.
I'd say island, two seconds.
I will go fish, I will fend for myself, right?
So the issue with medieval forms of punishment, which gets into the cruel and unusual, which I don't necessarily agree always is, Uh, is that sometimes there are innocent people that are wronged, but I'm not wronging you.
I don't think our society is wronging you by telling you that you're not welcome here anymore.
Like, if someone goes in your house and takes a dump on your floor, you can kick them out.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
It's like saying it's a privilege to be a part of our community, and if you abuse that privilege by violating our laws or, you know, attacking other people, you don't get to be a part of this.
tim pool
I will say this.
I can tell you this for a fact.
One guaranteed way to reduce crime would be to make the punishment for aggravated crimes, you are paraded around the city in a diaper, you are made to crawl and goo goo gaga and say, I'm a stinky baby, I'm a stinky baby, while everyone gets to film you.
I'm not kidding.
When I'm hanging out with these kids, I'm in LA or whatever, they say things like, I haven't gone to jail yet.
They do not fear jail at all.
But what I can tell you is a lot of the shootings that happen, which we think is gang violence, is actually honor retaliations.
Some guy goes on social media and insults another guy, so him and the boys show up at his house and they get revenge.
They say, don't you insult me, right?
These guys would not engage in a crime if they knew the punishment was they're gonna be blasted out on TikTok and Facebook and Instagram in a diaper being made to crawl and told to beg in front of all the people pointing and laughing at them saying, Google Gaga, I'm a stinky baby.
They'd be like, dude, I'm not getting caught, dude.
I will not do that.
That is it.
You will never be hard again.
You will be made fun of.
You will never escape that for the rest of your life.
That would terrify people.
I'm not advocating we do that.
I'm just explaining The current jail system is not a deterrent.
It does not disincentivize.
elad eliahu
It sounds like what we used to do to the tax collectors, the tarring and feathering, almost.
Kind of a version of that.
tim pool
It is, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just think, like, there's a lot of young guys who, they want street cred, they go to jail, and they brag about what they've done.
Ain't nobody gonna be bragging if they're like, I know what you did, goo goo gaga me stinky baby.
Like, dude, you got no credit anymore.
hannah claire brimelow
It's shame as a deterrent because otherwise you say, oh yeah, I did this crime and then I made it through prison and I'm so tough and what have you.
You're kind of reinforcing this image that they have created for themselves and they need to project to be involved in, you know, criminal activity.
tim pool
For a lot of these people, going to prison is a point of honor.
They get tattoos, they mark down how much time they've done and they brag to each other, you don't know what you're talking about, you haven't done time.
Well, take away his time and put him in a diaper and see how much he brags about it.
He's gonna be like, look at my Instagram feed.
Look at me wearing that diaper.
You don't know what I've been through.
People are gonna be like, dude, are you kidding?
Nah.
They'd be terrified for that to happen.
And you gotta make sure you're changing it up.
It's not always putting him in a diaper and making him crawl through the street.
It's just varying things like that, you know?
elad eliahu
I think there's something about our justice system that we don't do cruel and unusual punishments, and we give people some basic rights, and even some of the worst criminals in our country, we're not willing to—we barely do the death penalty.
It's unkosher in most states.
Even in Guantanamo Bay, we don't even kill the people who we think are some of the worst criminals in our— Our whole jail system is cruel and unusual.
christina urso
Exactly!
tim pool
Like, it is a joke that men get raped in prison.
elad eliahu
I think rape in prison is wrong.
tim pool
The fact that we know it happens...
As a society, people laugh about it online, shows that our system is cruel and unusual, it is in violation of the Constitution.
If that's the case, I tell you this, which would you prefer?
Ten years in a maximum security prison, or, you gotta put the diaper on, and we're gonna parade you around and you say, Goo Goo Gah, I'm a stinky baby.
elad eliahu
If, look, if you're in for murder and all you have to do is go around town in a diaper, in a stinky diaper... No, murder's different, murder's the island.
Okay, murder's the island.
Well, you're getting raped on the island, too.
tim pool
No, you're not.
elad eliahu
Why not?
There's gonna be a mess?
Yeah, it feels like it.
Well, that's what happens in regular jail, too.
tim pool
What you're saying is, the island as I view it is nature.
elad eliahu
I was thinking about Jeffrey Epstein.
tim pool
That island has nothing on it.
unidentified
An island where sexual crimes are committed, yeah.
tim pool
You live in the middle of nowhere and you're in the wilderness, you figure it out.
Okay?
If you think you're gonna get raped walking around the woods one day, then don't go to the woods.
If we take a bunch of violent offenders and put them on an island, yeah, then you're going to have a bunch of creepy widows and violent offenders, but I tell you this, the people who are there for rape are probably going to not do so well because the rest of the guys are going to team up and be like, nah.
So the reason I bring up the island thing is because there's already been research on it, and it's dramatically reduced criminal behaviors.
When they forced violent criminals to re-adapt To survival, learning how to set up a fire, find food, and take care of themselves.
It consumed them.
It took away their time and energy towards these violent behaviors.
christina urso
That's interesting, too.
Like, giving them something that maybe makes them feel like they have a purpose.
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it does make a big difference.
christina urso
I think that matters, though.
I think everybody needs to feel like they have a purpose and that they're doing something that contributes in some way.
tim pool
Yeah.
When people have no choice but to work to survive, then it changes you.
Because you're not gonna... On an island where there's like, let's say there's ten guys, and they're fishing.
You can try and steal someone's fish, but then they're gonna fight you, and you're not gonna be able to do it.
So it's like, now you're in this position where the only people who are around you are people who can fend for themselves, for the most part.
You don't have easy victims anymore.
Let's jump to this next story.
We'll have some fun with it on this Friday night.
From the Post Millennial, Chelsea Handler said she had to remind 50 Cent that he can't vote for Donald Trump because he's black.
The racism of these cringe leftists.
Here you go, here you go.
unidentified
You heard about my ex-boyfriend, right?
50 Cent and his support of Donald Trump.
tim pool
Yeah, what's going on between you?
I saw your tweets and I go, wait, what's happening?
unidentified
Because you said he was your favorite ex-boyfriend and then he... What is he doing?
Supporting Trump?
He says he doesn't want to pay 62% of taxes, which, by the way, isn't a plan of Joe Biden's.
That's a lie.
So he doesn't want to pay 62% of taxes because he doesn't want to go from being $0.50 to $0.20.
And I had to remind him that he was a black person.
So he can't vote for Donald Trump and that he shouldn't be influencing an entire swath of people who may listen to him because he's worried about his own personal pocketbook.
So I haven't heard back from him yet, but I am willing to, you know, seal the deal in more ways than one if he changes his mind and publicly denounces Donald Trump.
I might be willing to go for another spin if you know what I'm talking about.
There is nothing like wealthy, liberal, white women.
tim pool
I mean, she's completely wrong because we know for a fact that Biden announced a tax plan not that long ago that would spike almost all taxes through the roof.
This is Forbes, May 7th, 2024.
They literally just updated it right now.
Under Biden tax plan, capital gains tax will exceed 50% in 11 states.
This isn't the only story because we covered this a while ago.
This is, you know, I don't know what to tell you.
Chelsea Handler is a low-cognition human.
I try to be academic in my insults, and she has no idea what she's talking about.
50 Cent does.
He does not want to pay exorbitant taxes, so he'll vote for Trump.
So Chelsea decides that she should be racist, I guess, and tell him that black people aren't allowed to vote for Donald Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, man.
Can you imagine thinking this is going to look good if I say I had to remind my ex-boyfriend that he was black?
What are you talking about, Chelsea Handler?
elad eliahu
Handler shouldn't have even had to come out.
She didn't have to come out and say this because Trump's plan to attract black voters through different campaigns, including celebrities like 50 Cent, is Not going to work at all.
So I don't know why Chelsea Handler has to kind of defend, you know, Democrats against from black people, because, I mean, it's not a good plan.
And there's three officials.
What's his plan?
So there's three officials within the Trump campaign to outline to Politico the former president's strategy to attract more black voters, mainly by using his legal troubles and issues of race in New York more broadly with immigration to try to attract more of them.
tim pool
Hey, well, nothing else worked, so why not?
elad eliahu
The theme is, like you, I'm unfairly persecuted by the criminal justice system, but I don't think this will be a play that works out.
Trump famously pardoned many black rappers.
Kodak Black, I believe.
Lil Wayne as well.
But I don't think black people will vote any less for Democrats now.
Biden will still end up getting 80 plus percent of the Democrat vote, even if Trump picks a black VP.
tim pool
Trump should offer reparations.
Trump should come out and be like, if you vote for me, I will push reparations for the black community.
And the reason why is Trump supporters would vote for him either way.
And so what does it matter?
elad eliahu
I hate the idea of like really trying to, it's so boldly trying to buy off voters.
Not that Trump would be, would be unique in that if he did that, but it's just so blatant and upfront.
tim pool
My point is just to rip it out from underneath Democrats.
elad eliahu
It's crazy how, like, every five, ten years, the conversation of reparations comes on the scene.
tim pool
Every four years.
elad eliahu
Every four years.
There you go.
Completely disappears once Biden's in office, once they're Democrats in office.
Nobody talks about it anymore.
But I remember when I got started seven or eight years ago, oh, yeah, it was a big, big thing to talk about.
I don't know.
It comes in and out.
But this Trump campaign strategy to attract more black voters, I mean, good for you guys for trying.
It will not work.
And if they were relying on it, you're better off reaching out to Hispanics.
hannah claire brimelow
There's all kinds of stuff that political campaigns do for a minute to try and buy voters.
Like, I don't know if you saw this, but Paul Gosar introduced this bill to have the $500 bill have Trump's face on it.
And it prompted all this reflection on the fact that they had been like, we should take Andrew Jackson off the 20 and put Harry Tubman on.
And then, so it got paused under Trump.
This is an Obama thing.
Paused under Trump.
The Biden administration, like, early January, as soon as he was in office, was like, we're bringing it back.
Have you guys heard about this?
unidentified
No.
elad eliahu
They wanted to get rid of the best Democrat off the 20?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
I got an idea.
Trump should offer, if he wants to get more Latino voters, he should offer to give back California.
elad eliahu
No, if anything, he should offer to take more.
tim pool
He should offer to take, uh... He's like, it's two birds with one stone.
Right?
So listen, like, if you're in California, you're Mexico now, exactly what you want.
And we don't want California either.
So it's a win-win for everybody.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, there are all kinds of border communities in Texas that became more red under Trump because they are actually tired of illegal immigration, right?
Like, I don't know that Trump actually has to do anything gimmicky.
Like, he could just keep on keeping on and it would be fine.
I think that the worst part here is that probably someone on the Biden campaign, like, called Chelsea Handler immediately and was like, don't forget to point out these talking points.
It's really important that we don't let people get excited about this 50 cent thing.
elad eliahu
I'm just so not sold on Trump trying to effectively reach out to black voters.
In the past, he did all, we mentioned it earlier, the criminal justice reform.
That was purely a play for black voters that didn't pan out.
Maybe he should double down on other things.
Maybe Trump and the Trump campaign and staffers know something that I don't.
The rally that he held in the South Bronx was a smashing success, although I don't know how politically or electorally relevant that will pan out being.
It was cool that he visited New York, though.
hannah claire brimelow
I just think it's symbolic.
The Bronx visit is just about the fact that Democrats haven't been there.
That part of New York is taken for granted.
elad eliahu
When he's reaching out to the 20% of black people that vote for him, it feels like he's doing too much pandering to them and not rewarding his base enough, if anything.
We need to solve the immigration crisis.
I guess he is trying to tie these issues together, but I don't know how compelled black people would be when he says and talks about immigration swamping us.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, in this case, it seems like 50 Cent is saying, actually, it's the economic issues are what we should talk about more, which is really what they should do.
Because Biden, if you push Biden on it at all, he's a bad record.
elad eliahu
This isn't even the most famous black rapper to come.
Did he come out for Trump explicitly?
Or was it a visit to Congress that he was doing?
But Lil Wayne's more famous than 50 Cent.
So I don't know who cares about this guy.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you care about 50 Cent?
Are you a big fan?
christina urso
No.
elad eliahu
Do you remember 50 Cent?
christina urso
I remember 50 Cent from back in the day.
elad eliahu
In the club?
christina urso
No, I think Lil Wayne's a little bit more.
elad eliahu
Well, if Lil Wayne couldn't convince black people to vote for Trump, I don't know if there's anybody who can.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, 50 Cent endorsed Biden last time, so maybe the fact that he just is converted now is the bigger story here.
elad eliahu
I think we're beating around the bush of how totally irrelevant celebrity endorsements are.
Nobody's being convinced by Chelsea Handler saying anything.
What moron is being convinced by 50 Cent?
It's like, oh yeah, 50 Cent said it.
hannah claire brimelow
She could have not talked about this.
Basically what she's saying is, I'm still thinking about my ex-boyfriend and I'm sad that he's a Republican.
elad eliahu
I didn't know they were a thing.
christina urso
I didn't know that.
hannah claire brimelow
But she's highlighting it so she's actually kind of alone.
tim pool
I worry about people like Chelsea Handler.
How old is she?
christina urso
She's in her 50s.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
She's a single 50-something-year-old woman.
unidentified
49.
elad eliahu
She's 49?
unidentified
Really?
elad eliahu
Are you saying she looks bad for her age, Hannah Clare?
hannah claire brimelow
I thought she was older.
tim pool
I thought she was 58 or something.
elad eliahu
That's a really pixely picture of her too.
tim pool
But either way, it's like, you know, I remember when she talked about how she wakes up, does drugs, masturbates, goes to bed, wakes up, does drugs again.
And Ben Shapiro was like, she's miserable.
She's absolutely miserable.
And I was like, I don't think so.
I think she's very much in the moment and happy.
But she's headed towards the epitome of nightmare scenarios for a human being.
You know, it is sad, but it is reality that as you get older, you have less and less friends, relationships become harder to maintain, and friends and family begin to die.
It is a reality.
So, you know, everybody's gone through it.
I don't know when the first time it happened to me, I think I was a teenager.
I was like 18, when we found out one of our neighborhood friends had died from a drug overdose.
And it's like a crazy thing when you realize you will never see them again, you will never hear them again.
It's like, You don't really get it when you're a kid because you haven't been around, you haven't been alive that long to witness these things.
Maybe you had a pet die or something like that.
And then you get older and it happens quite a bit.
And then you end up getting messages from friends be like, Hey man, how you been?
Just want to let you know, uh, yeah, Rick passed away.
Uh, a friend of mine, uh, had a, uh, he died in his sleep.
We don't know how he was.
He was like 37 years old.
A kid from my neighborhood.
You know, understanding these things, the one thing that is always there for the average person throughout human history is that they have families.
They always did.
Everyone alive today had a family.
Now, you may have been detached from your family, but everyone had a family.
If you don't have kids, you will be the first life form in your entire genetic lineage to not reproduce.
Chelsea Handler is very much going to end up as an old woman sitting in a house and the kids are going to be outside the apartment or house, that's old lady Handler's place.
She's going to know nobody.
She may be a bit more fortunate than most that she's famous.
elad eliahu
And rich.
tim pool
Yeah, and the women that she influences that are like her.
are going to have a bunch of cats, they're going to be destitute, unable to work, and
Social Security is going to become insolvent in 10 years.
So for someone like her, I could not imagine the amount of drugs she is going to need to do to
overcome the emotional crisis she will experience as more and more of her friends and family die.
I remember when George Burns...
Was that his name?
I don't even really know.
Let me see if that's the guy.
Was that the guy?
The older people know who I'm talking about.
He's a comedian or something.
Yeah, I remember hearing about him dying.
Yeah, he was 100 years old.
He died March 9th, 1996.
Crazy!
He died on my birthday, March 9th, when I was 10 years old.
I didn't know who he was, but I remember hearing about it when I was a kid, and I'm just thinking, I don't know or care what that is or who that is.
It means nothing to me.
But there are a lot of people who were like, wow, I remember watching that guy when I was a kid, and now he died.
And that's going to happen more and more and more.
People die.
This woman is not going to relate to any Gen Z, or TikToker, Gen Alpha, Gen Beta, any of that stuff.
She's gonna be an out-of-touch, uh, let's just call her, um, asynchronous, or, uh, you know, I don't know what the right word might be, but...
It's a curse, I would not wish on my worst enemies.
elad eliahu
She's developing a parasocial relationship with an audience.
She's going on these late night talk shows.
I'm sure she has Instagram friends, but very sad.
Tim, there's something that struck me about what you said in there, a particular part of it, and it was that the first person that you knew that died was from a drug overdose.
It's really sad because that's the first person, it was a drug overdose that killed them.
And the first person I knew who died was also of a drug overdose.
And I feel like that's an extremely common thing, the opioid crisis and drug crisis in our country that we kind of overlook constantly.
But for young people nowadays, it really is the first person who you knew died was somebody in your high school or something overdosing from God knows what.
So I don't know that.
tim pool
I think that, you know, it makes a lot of sense.
elad eliahu
Young kids... Number one killer, I believe, of young... You know, drugs?
tim pool
It was heroin.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
tim pool
And that was like the first time I was like, oh, did you hear so-and-so died?
And I was like, what?
How?
And, you know, a lot of people do have someone where it's like a kid had a medical issue, but it's like young people don't die at the rate older people do, but not once you're in your 30s.
And I know everybody listening, they know it.
Some of you might've got a message, you know, recently, a week ago, a month ago, where they're like, Hey, it's Rick from back home.
How you been?
It's pretty good.
Just calling to let you know, man, that Jim passed away.
He had a heart attack.
And it's like, oh man.
And I get those messages.
And it's like, it's sad.
But for someone like her, her whole thing is, she's going on Jimmy Kimmel.
Jimmy Kimmel's audience is waning.
It's collapsing.
The word I was thinking of was anachronism.
She will be an 80-year-old woman, and there will be no one to listen to any of her cultural references because they won't care.
The cultural references and what is relevant culturally to young people will be dramatically different, and she will be a weird, anachronistic personality.
I would not wish this curse on my worst enemies, but it's coming for the liberals, because this is the world they choose to live in.
elad eliahu
I think she embodies what she was preached to when she was a young woman, and things obviously changed.
Feminism and the way we treat women in our society has obviously changed, and their role in society has obviously changed, and it seems she completely bought into the liberal of feminists.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, but there were feminists who had families.
tim pool
Real quick, this is an important distinction.
This video is going viral now, but it is an old video.
elad eliahu
What was it dated?
tim pool
The video is actually from the 2020 election.
That's why it says flashback.
hannah claire brimelow
Because initially 50 Cent was going to endorse Trump, then at the end he was like, no, I don't like that guy.
I'm going to endorse Biden.
elad eliahu
I don't think 50 Cent, any of these black celebrities endorsing Trump isn't doing a thing.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, the thing is, there were feminists way back in the day who did have children.
Even now, you know, 50% of all women say that they were raised by a mom who identified as a feminist, right?
But I think with Chelsea Handler, feminism and women's role in society, the narrative that's there is part of it.
The other part is just a rising culture of selfishness, right?
To me, that's really more than feminism.
That's what Chelsea Handler embodies to me.
Well, if I had children, I wouldn't be able to do the things I wanted to when I wanted to.
It would be the death of the life that revolves around me.
And that's true at a certain point when you have kids, right?
But there is something more about building a family that is worth it that I think speaks to the human experience and to the soul.
And I think a lot of our culture right now really revolves around sort of self-obsession.
We have Instagram accounts that are telling you how much people like you.
You're constantly thinking about how you are viewed by other people.
What should you be doing?
It's about the self more than it is about the community.
And, you know, I think conservatives talk more about this than I feel like left-wing causes do.
Left-wing causes will say like, oh, it's good for the community, but what they really mean is the individuals that make up this collective group that sort of think they have something in common.
Whereas I think when conservatives talk about community, it really is about this thing that you are actively participating in and contributing to.
And part of that is having family.
Part of that is also just being active in your community. I was listening to
something about Rockefeller and the fact that like he was a workaholic, but
also he taught Sunday school, right? This is something very important. And that's fascinating, right? Because he
obviously felt a devotion to the children that were being raised
in a religion that he also felt devotion to like, all this guy
did was work and teach Sunday school. Fascinating.
tim pool
I just think we've got to get back to the basics and restore
America to look like the Handmaid's Tale.
hannah claire brimelow
I always thought those robes were really cool in the TV shows.
They look kind of glamorous to me.
elad eliahu
I'm not going to pretend I've seen The Hens Maybe.
Have you seen The Hens Maybe?
tim pool
I was kidding, by the way, but it's a few episodes.
elad eliahu
All I've known of it was in the Women's March.
They used to dress in the costumes and now it's like a common symbol.
hannah claire brimelow
I get why you don't like the head covering, but the red robe is cool, man.
I thought that was kind of fun.
tim pool
Wasn't the story like it's like the world, like a war happened and the human population was decimated.
hannah claire brimelow
It's war, but also, like, the fertility rate collapses, from what I know about it.
People stop being able to have children, and there's an idea that it's, like, environmental issues, which, like, the Gilead Society ultimately ends up kind of seeming to solve.
tim pool
Is that what it is about?
hannah claire brimelow
From what I watched, like, mid... I just watched the first two seasons.
elad eliahu
Is it on Netflix?
I'll report back.
tim pool
I'll put it this way.
I can't speak to the Handmaid's Tale, I've never actually seen it.
I've only seen snippets.
But in the general idea of a fertility rate collapse, population decimation, and humanity on the verge of extinction, any civilization that condemns the idea that women should have kids in that scenario deserves to go extinct.
Like pandas?
I don't know why we're trying to save them.
Because they look funny, I guess?
They're so cute!
Yeah, the baby ones are absolutely cute.
Dude, if a species won't reproduce, the species ceases to exist.
hannah claire brimelow
I love those videos where it's like the giant mom panda, we say you're holding its baby and then a caregiver will come like handed an apple and they'll be like, wow, steal this child.
Like, yeah, you guys are not doing great here.
Nope.
tim pool
And that's probably why they're going to go extinct.
But weird.
elad eliahu
We're seeing this play out in many countries.
We're there below.
Japan, dude.
Especially in Asia.
South Korea, Toronto.
tim pool
Let me pull this up.
We got this story from CNBC, actually.
Swipe right, please.
Japanese officials push dating apps in effort to boost birth rates.
The fertility rate in Japan is apocalyptic.
It is the worst we've seen.
People don't realize that in one generation, your country can cease to exist.
If the fertility rate drops to a certain level, like right now, what are we at in the United States, like 1.3 or something?
Or no, no, no, are we less than that?
elad eliahu
With birth rates, but I think we have net positive immigration that puts us... That doesn't count.
tim pool
I'm specifically talking about fertility.
Imagine this.
Imagine the entire generation has no kids.
That means in 20 years, there will be no 20-year-olds.
That means in 40 years, there will be no 40-year-olds.
And that means the aging, retiring generation, there will be no one coming next.
They will eventually lose the ability to work, and then they will starve and die, and there will be nothing.
Japan is facing ever increasingly something like this.
hannah claire brimelow
United States is 1.84.
tim pool
Okay.
elad eliahu
Oh, not bad.
tim pool
Fertility?
elad eliahu
Fertility.
hannah claire brimelow
Fertility, right.
unidentified
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, that's not good though, right?
Remember, replacement is like 2.3.
elad eliahu
Yeah, but in like China, they're at like 0.9.
So we're doubling some of these guys.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, wow.
unidentified
Good.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm so glad the entire world's about to collapse.
tim pool
Japan is at 1.3.
Wow.
Wow, man.
Their current population is 125 million.
hannah claire brimelow
South Korea, I'm on the CIA's website, is 1.12.
Wow.
Isn't that crazy?
Like, it'll all just fall away.
Yeah.
And especially for Japan and South Korea, which are really, have a strong sense of culture and identity that is passed down through your family and through your community.
Like, if you don't produce people, you're literally everything about your culture that's unique goes away.
christina urso
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
It's wild.
I think when people talk about, you know, like, oh, it should be women's choice of kids and whatever else, like, I don't want people who hate children to have them.
On the other hand, like, it matters if your country is having its own children.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
South Korea is 0.81 births per woman as of 2021.
elad eliahu
I think we're going to have a reckoning and have to deal with the consequences of technology and the consequences of feminism that we might have initially thought were good things.
For example, things like birth control obviously make less babies around, the ubiquity of abortion, things like that, birth control.
Teen pregnancy isn't a thing anymore.
A couple of decades ago, it was pretty common.
The unintended consequences to that, although it seems kind of obvious, is less children.
And where does that lead us?
People don't end up having children or as many children as they would have had down the line.
hannah claire brimelow
This is why I think that the decades-long attack on the family is such a bad thing.
Like the idea that the government would sort of make social services that replace the role that the father traditionally used to have.
The idea that we would tell women, actually, it's really important that you're in the workforce and the labor that you do at home is not as important.
I mean, remember, we had a Bureau of Home Economics at one point because we believed that the home and the family unit was central to our economy.
And instead, we've made it about the individual and about keeping women and men in the workforce with as few dependents as possible.
And I just think that that was obviously not about the welfare of our culture.
It was about servitude to the state.
christina urso
And creating consumers.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's awful.
And again, so I really think Melania Trump, you know, should she be first lady again, which I really hope she is.
She's really good at it.
We should forget, be best.
We should make family first, be her initiative.
We should talk about how important it is to value and cherish your family because it's part of our culture.
And that includes having children, but also like being there for your grandparents, being there for your parents as they age.
Like we should stop making it about ourselves only.
It should be about the community, which I think I really, really believe starts with the family.
elad eliahu
We've really come on such a turbulent time socially, culturally, with how the genders view each other.
Some people don't even know what gender they are, and the consequences of that... We just have lost people who need strong families to guide them through life.
Lack of religion, religion decreasing in our society, women out... not out-earning in all cases, but women matching how much men make, make marriages more difficult for whatever reason that we could dive into, but there's so many of these small things.
Christina, what do you think?
christina urso
Yeah, I mean, I think more women are graduating from college, too.
I'm very concerned about, like, young men, the future of young men, because I feel like they're checking out from society.
They're also checking out from dating.
hannah claire brimelow
So we have a culture that treats them like they are A burden.
Not even just like they're not an equal part.
People actively treat, especially young straight men, as if they are society's problem.
I think that's awful.
elad eliahu
I'm conflicted because in and of itself, many of these things aren't bad.
Women graduating at higher rates than men isn't necessarily a bad thing, but some of these unintended consequences that we're seeing as a result of them leading to the decline in births, which is, I don't think, something that we thought was a problem 30 years ago.
Right.
is the issue and then how to deal with that.
Because again, I guess we don't want to, you know, there's no way to put the ketchup back in the bottle or something once this is out of the bag.
tim pool
Toothpaste back in the tube.
elad eliahu
Toothpaste out of the tube.
Once this is out of the bottle, we can't, it's very hard.
I think it's easier to encourage women to have less children than it is to encourage women who have few children to have many more.
tim pool
So.
It's just cultural.
We were talking about this this morning and we talked about the culture war.
If society is showing young women all the movies are women doing masculine things.
You've got either men as the heroes or women as the heroes but even when women are heroes they're doing things associated with masculinity.
What's going to happen?
Humans desire Compliments.
Humans want to know that they're doing the right thing.
They want commendation.
So for young guys, go back 200 years.
What do they want to do?
They wanted to join up.
I want to join the Continental Army.
You know, go back to 7076.
They really wanted to fight.
They wanted to be a part of something.
They wanted to be the great adventurer.
They wanted to be known for the great works they did.
and women wanted to raise families and they were concerned about who they were going to marry and
how they were going to have a family. Why? Because when the women would go hang out with women,
the women were all talking about the great things they're doing with family and so the younger
women are like, it's being reinforced in you if you want the compliments, if you want people to
cheer for you, it is these things.
We then inundated young people with media of everything you do that is good must be the masculine role and not the feminine role.
So now you have a bunch of young women who want to be CEOs and girl bosses instead of being moms.
hannah claire brimelow
Gross.
tim pool
Girl boss?
elad eliahu
Or would there be a soul-to-fall stream where they could do both, which they can't?
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, absolutely not.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And the insulting thing to me is that feminism destroys femininity.
It tells women that the female role in society is a bad thing.
And so they internalize it and they view it that way.
So when you bring up gender roles and you say something like, women should be, you know, at the home with the family, they're like, how dare you say that?
Why is that a bad thing?
Why is it a negative to say that the women are more apt than men for protecting the family and men are good externally and women are good internally?
hannah claire brimelow
Did you see this thing with Jason Kelsey's wife?
Someone referred to her as a homemaker and he came out and was like, we're equal partners of the home.
She does take care of her house.
It's like rejecting this term homemaker.
I don't understand why homemaker has to be a dirty word.
It should be good.
I don't understand why feminism was able to convince generations of women that being told the things that you are naturally inclined to do, the things you are interested in, actually was somehow saying that you were stupid or weak.
Like, I just don't understand why women bought that other than the fact that they tend to be deeply insecure.
And I don't think that they were raised by women who were able to say, like, the natural traits that you have are positive and they contribute to society in a great way.
You should like yourself the way you are.
It's similar to what I think is one of the long-term effects of birth control, which is that it trains women to treat their bodies like the enemy.
that their hormones that are naturally supposed to occur are actually this big inconvenience and
they stop you in your tracks and whatever else. Like all of these things, these two different
things, the cultural but also the medical intervention on the things that women naturally do
told women that they are supposed to operate differently in society than they are trained.
No wonder they're all anxious and depressed.
tim pool
Everybody at Timcast knows what happens when Allison's out of town.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, we get a lot of food delivered.
It's really great.
It's like, I order cheeseburgers and... I'll come into the studio and Tim will be like, yeah, I ate, you know, crackers and a can of tuna for dinner.
Like, he needs Allison.
tim pool
I'm lucky.
So it'll be like, I'll be like, hey guys, a big food order is coming.
And then they're like, oh, where'd Allison go?
And then, uh, see, I would only admit this because Allison is here, but, you know, she went to go visit family, and for dinner I was dipping, uh, I was dipping, uh, daled bacon in cheese sauce.
I took the cheese sauce out of the fridge, I microwaved it, I pulled the bacon out, and I was just dipping it.
That was dinner.
And so I have no problem pointing out that when it comes to reading the news and pulling up stories and putting the show together and all that, I do a really great job, apparently.
And when it comes to, you know, the house, I don't.
I have no idea what's going on.
I don't know how the washing machine works for the most part.
Obviously, I can turn it on and make it work, but Allison has everything running like a well-oiled machine.
I don't see why.
I don't understand why.
Actually, I take that back.
I'm using it as a turn of phrase.
I totally get it.
Malthusians in the 70s wanted to reduce population.
They got their wish and now the world is facing a serious economic crisis and existential crisis.
So they wanted to convince young women to be like men and put them in the workplace.
hannah claire brimelow
Will you miss South Korea when it's gone?
When its population has collapsed?
tim pool
Yes.
hannah claire brimelow
I think we all will, right?
elad eliahu
And South Korea needs you, it sounds like.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, it's not even South Korea.
It's just the fact that there are countries that will just cease to be as we know them.
They will just not be there because ultimately their populations decided that maintaining being a population wasn't worth it.
elad eliahu
I think a solution here is that conservatives or some conservative-minded women need to reclaim feminism.
I believe in the past it wasn't always completely defined by leftism, to the point now when I think of feminism, I'm thinking of people who believe that sex work is real work, like that seems to be their top of issue mind, and that all women are real women, and that trans women are real women.
That seems to be this, I don't know, second, third, First, second, or third, or fourth wave feminism, but in the past I believe feminism was claimed by the women in the temperance movement or something like that.
tim pool
No, no, I don't agree.
I think you're right, but I think we should only just keep doing what we're doing because liberals are effectively removing themselves by choice from modern politics.
elad eliahu
It looks like they're removing everybody.
tim pool
No, no, no, hold on.
The fertility rate among liberals is really low.
Among conservatives it's a bit higher, but I still believe it's below replacement.
I'm happy with Christian conservatives having a bunch of kids.
Like, the two guests, the two Jeremy's on The Culture War, each had five kids.
And I'm like, that makes me feel good.
hannah claire brimelow
That's twice your placement rate.
There we go.
tim pool
Exactly.
And then, you know, they're a few years away of themselves from having grandkids, too.
And I'm just like, I'm pretty confident that we win just based off of multiplication.
And so if, right now, conservative women already want to be moms, recognize these issues, accept the arguments, and have good relationships with their husbands and their significant others, then you don't gotta do anything.
Like, you're not going to go to a liberal and shame her on having kids.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, well, I think the other part that, you know, conservative women should be happy about is, like, typically if you're a conservative woman and you're dating a conservative guy, he values the fact that you want to have kids and also he wants to be a dad and have children.
Like, one of the messages that I think a lot of young women get is like, oh, well, you'll be doing it by yourself and he's going to be off doing whatever, playing video games, not being helpful.
And, like, the reality is, like, all of the nice, helpful families that I know, like, It's – it is an equal partnership between men and women.
They just don't do exactly the same thing and I think especially conservative men recognize like the work that goes into raising children that they don't necessarily do because they're outside the home.
I think it's really dysfunctional couples that – but by this lie that like ultimately men – I mean if you're dating like a man child, like of course he's never going to step up.
But that's kind of on progressive women who opt into those relationships.
tim pool
Here's the agreement, okay?
I will go out and I will drag an elk back by its neck and lay it before my family and the mother will be there protecting the children while I am fighting the elk.
In all seriousness, I'll go to the grocery store and pick up some fresh elk and bring it home and then we'll have dinner together.
hannah claire brimelow
My family in Canada, my aunt was a forensic psychiatrist for a long time.
She's really successful and she tells this story about how her sons and her husband went out hunting and they killed a deer or something and then they brought it back and they're like, mom, can you clean this?
And she's like, because she's got a medical background, she's an actual doctor, like she literally cleaned and cut up the deer.
This is actually how a lot of families function for a long time now.
Obviously this was just like something they were doing not necessarily for food but it's like there's a relationship between the two things that these people contribute and I think that's like what we forget and what we were told especially because the narrative is that men and women are enemies like this is what's invaded our culture.
tim pool
I read this thing that said the reason women or at least the reason why there's a trope that women love shopping is that it is gathering.
For real.
Women going together to a place and looking at the brightly colored things and then picking the things out that they bring back to the home they're excited for.
And men are goal-oriented, dopamine-triggered, jumping off of buildings and running and playing sports because that's the hunt.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I think it's all – I mean it's – we're wired to do different things and so naturally some of the ways it works out in modern society.
Like with Allison, like yeah, she's good at managing the home but also like she wants you to be healthy and be able to work hard.
So of course she's worried about what you're eating.
Like there is a reason that men and women are complementary.
Like the stereotype – we always saw a video where it's like the guy walking around, the internal monologue is like exits and creepy guy and whatever else and the girl is like da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
That works because she relies on him to contribute something that, like, in the home she might contribute differently.
Like, it's supposed to be a symbiotic relationship.
I don't think that that's bad.
I think it's weird that this is some sort of threat to feminists out there, that your natural tendencies would be weaponized against you.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying, like, conservative women don't need to be told any of this.
They know it, they live it, they feel it themselves.
There's no guy who's going to come to them and explain it to them.
They're going to be like, uh-huh, and?
Liberal women will reject it outright.
So it's just like, okay, let's just have more conservatives have more kids, and then in 20 years, in 40 years, this country is going to be conservative.
elad eliahu
I think the one factor that we've been overlooking here is...
Religiosity, level of religiosity is what I believe is most closely correlated with the number of children you have.
And we've been decreasing in religiosity by a ton over the years.
And even if you call yourself religious today, you're less religious than somebody who called themselves that a decade ago, or 20 years ago, or 30 years ago.
And I don't think we're seeing that trend turn around.
And as long as that is the case, yes, conservatives may have three kids on average instead of the one and a half that liberals may have.
But it's not the five, six or seven that's really thrusting us forward and not just making us just past the line of replacement.
So until we have a reckoning too with that, because even in my understanding, I live next to a very Jewish, Hasidic Jewish community.
They all have a ton of kids.
They all have not one or two, but seven or eight.
Mormons, when I passed through in Pennsylvania, they don't have one or two kids.
They have seven or eight.
One of the fastest growing communities in our country.
Religiosity is what's heavily linked here, and we need to deal with that reckoning, because people are only becoming less religious, and I don't think it's stopping.
It's not even slowing.
Soon enough, we're going to be in a mostly secular country.
christina urso
Yeah, and look how quickly this has happened.
My dad was like one of eight kids.
My grandfather was one of ten kids.
My grandmother, we have like this picture of her, and she's got 78 people.
It's our cousins, grandkids, her kids.
Um the whole family and I just feel like that's not going to be a thing anymore of like a a woman like matriarch with her whole family of 78 people behind her and like families with 10 kids 7 kids except in these communities that you're talking about.
hannah claire brimelow
Well they'll be kids who grow up without cousins right?
They'll be the only kid that maybe all of their their parents and their like siblings had like that that's so strange to me.
My cousins were a huge part of my life growing up.
I mean the collapse of family is sad.
It's a loss.
And I think that again – I think you're right.
It's a religious participation.
I also think it's the selling of like your career is ultimately what makes you who you
are.
This culture of workers and whether it's to have more consumers, whether it's a socialist
thing or whether it's whatever it is, this drive – because when you see about the studies
about South Korea and Japan, often they'll say like, well, women are opting to stay in
their careers.
They say I've gotten this education, I'm working hard.
I don't want to derail it.
I'd rather have my own money and live my life for myself.
And I think that that sale of like your professional acumen and your professional degrees and your
accomplishments there are the be-all and end-all of your life.
To me it parallels religious – the collapse of religious participation because religion
tells you like – especially Christianity, your life goes on after this.
You're living for eternity, et cetera, et cetera.
And so you don't – You have to prioritize things outside your job.
When your life is your job, of course you're like, well, having a family takes away from that.
elad eliahu
What is it?
Multiply and be fruitful?
Be fruitful and multiply?
christina urso
Something like that?
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's different.
Do you feel like the conversations for women about having kids or getting married have changed in the time that you've, you know, been growing up?
christina urso
Oh yeah, definitely.
I don't think...
We didn't have those classes like the home ec classes and stuff.
We did in Catholic school, but not in public school.
I think that's a big part of it.
But I also think technology plays a huge role here because think about like what your grandparents did every single night for fun.
They actually hung out with people.
They played cards.
They weren't watching Netflix.
They weren't on their phones all the time.
They didn't have dating apps, so they met people going out in their community.
Everybody stays inside now.
I think technology is a huge problem.
Phones, people being on their phones.
elad eliahu
They didn't have condoms.
They didn't have birth control.
hannah claire brimelow
It was a crazy time.
elad eliahu
Abortion was illegal.
christina urso
People had sex more because they weren't on their phones.
You had nothing to do.
That was what you did.
elad eliahu
You'd have the kid.
christina urso
Unfortunately, things have changed now.
hannah claire brimelow
But that's interesting, right?
christina urso
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
We have basically put ourselves in a weird abstinence because it's technology-centered socialization.
It's weird.
christina urso
Take away your technology, though.
Take away your phone and see what you do for two days or what you want to do.
elad eliahu
I think the difference is 50 years ago, you're in high school, you go to prom with your date, you knock up your date, she doesn't abort it, you shotgun marry her, and then have four more kids.
Nowadays, you go to prom with your date, she's on birth control forever, if that doesn't work, then she aborts, and then you both go to college.
hannah claire brimelow
You go your separate ways.
elad eliahu
There's no relationship.
And then maybe a decade down the line you guys get married when you're both 30.
unidentified
She's on SSRIs.
christina urso
She's on birth control.
She's on anti-psychotics.
elad eliahu
I mean... And then maybe she could have one child when she decides to settle down.
tim pool
I got some numbers for you.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay.
tim pool
So I did some rudimentary chat GPT math.
I asked it what the current fertility rates among liberals and conservatives were.
I asked how many babies were born.
Based on the fertility rate numbers between liberal conservatives, to calculate how many of those births that were just born were liberal or conservative, give me the number, I then said, assuming the fertility rate remains static, how many children will be born of each group in 20 years?
I then said, I asked, what is the average age at which a person is having children?
It said 27 or 28.
I said, considering that, calculate the next 20 years with the cumulative effect of the next generation having additional children based on these fertility rates.
And the calculation is within 40 years, there will have been 76.68 million conservative births to 58.87 liberal births.
hannah claire brimelow
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Maybe conservatives just need to start picking up more wives like they do in the Middle East.
tim pool
Well, I'm just saying, the point is, we're talking about in 40 years.
The Children of Conservatives will be 20 million, almost 2 to 1, liberals.
Well, not actually 2 to 1, but 20 million more.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a huge difference.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think, I mean, it doesn't, just because you were born to conservative parents, it doesn't guarantee that you'll grow up conservative.
On the other hand, you know, what a culture... Incredibly likely.
It's more likely, but also, like, what a cultural shift if you have more people having children and saying, like, I want a society that supports large families, people who have children, people that value family.
I mean, just the process of absorbing this change is incredible.
elad eliahu
Oh, that's a good question, Tim, right there.
tim pool
And what was the question?
elad eliahu
What is the fertility rate among Christians versus atheists?
tim pool
1.9 for Christians and 1.6 for atheists.
elad eliahu
Oh, that's interesting.
I wonder how they define religious, too.
Because, again, levels of religiosity.
Everybody's a Christian.
hannah claire brimelow
There are tons of people who identify as Christian but aren't actually going to church.
elad eliahu
Or if you're like loosely religious nowadays, or spiritual, you'll call yourself religious.
hannah claire brimelow
Agnostic was the highest growing religion at one point in the country, which is kind of crazy, you know?
elad eliahu
Yeah, I feel like that trend... Look at this.
tim pool
That can't be right.
That's wrong.
Christian births will be 92.36 million.
No, that's right.
elad eliahu
The Mormons are booming.
tim pool
So Christian births will be 92.36 million to unaffiliated at 39.96.
But the reason for that is this is a predominantly Christian nation, so there's already a 3 or 4 to 1 advantage among Christians for having kids.
So it's not just that their fertility rate is higher, it's that there's substantially more of them as it is.
So long as you instill your values in your children, there will be a whole lot of Christians in the next 40 years.
Should be interesting.
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TokenBlackGuy is the first in.
He says, howdy people!
Ooh, he beat Clint.
There's no Clint.
All right.
Barrett1313 says, not first.
When you go to Super Chats, I'm heading to that poker room you talked about.
Hope to see you at the table sometime.
Would be fun.
Yeah, Charlestown.
That's the local poker stop.
It is a small poker room.
A lot of retirees.
But on Friday and Saturday, the tourists come in to see the shows, and these people don't know how to play poker, and they basically give their money away.
All the all the rounders, they call them.
The people who make a living playing poker know that Friday and Saturday nights the best time to go down because some dude's gonna be drunk and be like, I don't care.
And they're gonna throw their money and you're gonna win it and then you're gonna pay your bills.
Good luck, sir, at the tables.
Good luck.
Steven says, says the further society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it or well.
unidentified
Amen.
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's grab some more.
Henry, back to play, says it's true.
It is an automatic granting of a judgment notwithstanding the verdict, or janov, which would set aside the jury conviction.
It would also be the end of the case because double jeopardy has attached.
Really?
Because he was convicted already and he can't be retried for a crime in which he was convicted?
Oh, I see.
This is not a hung jury or a mistrial.
This is a verdict was handed down after the fact.
That would be interesting, I don't know if that's true, but that actually might be their play.
They don't want Trump in jail, it will help him.
They've got him as a convicted felon.
Now they can come out and claim it's a technicality and this is BS and Trump's only- he's a convicted felon, he only got out because of a technical glitch!
Or something like that.
Especially considering the person's an obvious troll, they'll argue it was a court mistake.
That would be interesting.
hannah claire brimelow
The next couple weeks are going to be so weird, you know?
Let's lead up until July 11th.
It's just a weird, unpredictable time.
christina urso
Yeah, definitely.
tim pool
James B says, look up HR 8081.
So I want to look that up.
I don't know.
I don't know what that is.
elad eliahu
HR8081.
tim pool
The Emperor's Champion says, perhaps Comrade Judge Marchand saw the backlash in attempting
to save his butt.
That's assuming he can think straight and doesn't have TDS.
Or, if that is true, and they use this to effectively nullify and Trump can't be tried again, that would be a power play by them.
Because they're going to come out and say, we know Trump's guilty, but because of a technical error, they can't try him again, but we know he did it.
How is he getting away with this?
That's what they're gonna say.
elad eliahu
So HR 8081 is denying infinite security and government resources allocated towards convicted and extremely dishonorable former protectees act, which is it's trying to strip service secret service away from Trump upon conviction.
This was Thompson.
unidentified
Whoa.
hannah claire brimelow
What?
Filed in April.
elad eliahu
Benny Thompson, Democrat from Mississippi.
tim pool
They're trying to strip Secret Service from Trump.
elad eliahu
I doubt it'll get anywhere.
hannah claire brimelow
It's been referred to the Judiciary Committee.
I don't think it'll go anywhere.
tim pool
Manifested Destiny says it's the best of both worlds.
Mershawn gets out of sentencing Trump while still securing a conviction.
Then the Dems can say Trump got off on a technicality.
Yeah, see?
There you go.
He actually superchatted the 814 well before I even mentioned it, so... Yeah.
That'll be interesting.
This one a lot will enjoy.
Lane Michael says tunnels just found under the Rafah border from Gaza to Egypt.
Why isn't this getting any airtime? No way the USA didn't know.
hannah claire brimelow
Have you heard about all the tunnels under North Korea?
North Korea apparently has a crazy tunnel.
Tunnels to where?
tim pool
To Palestine.
hannah claire brimelow
Right through the earth.
elad eliahu
In Afghanistan too.
unidentified
14,000 miles.
hannah claire brimelow
It's crazy.
elad eliahu
In Afghanistan too, they were like, yeah, there are bunkers under the city and that's where Osama's hiding.
Yeah.
The resupply is likely coming to Hamas through Egypt, which has many sympathizers from the Muslim Brotherhood, but we could save all the Israel chat for another day.
Israel needs to completely invade Rafah, take care of Hamas, and honestly, look up north to Hezbollah, where there seems to be tensions rising.
tim pool
Oh, that's gonna get hot.
elad eliahu
So we could save that for another show.
tim pool
Doc Holliday says, I'm a Timcast member.
I miss the old vlogs of you guys going to the liquor store and brewery, et cetera, shooting range.
Can you do more of those soon for the subscribers?
That's going to be the Boonies!
Boonies HQ on YouTube.
So a lot of that stuff is going to be the Boonies.
We are out in the Boonies.
And we are skating and doing lots of stuff.
We got a swimming hole.
And I wanted to go in the swimming hole, but they told me that it's likely full of parasites.
elad eliahu
A swimming hole?
What is that?
tim pool
It's a pond.
elad eliahu
Oh, okay.
The one across the... It's not across.
tim pool
That's someone else's property.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Our property has a very large swimming hole.
elad eliahu
You know, West Virginia's been growing on me.
I've said a lot of bad things about West Virginia on this show in the past.
I wanted to say, to all you West Virginians, it's a really nice, scenic, it's a beautiful part of America.
A worthy state.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's people.
I think it has a really unique culture and I like it a lot.
elad eliahu
You guys deserve a better senator, though.
Anyway.
tim pool
And we will get one.
And he knows it.
That's why he quit the Democratic Party.
elad eliahu
We'll see.
tim pool
Although, unfortunately, I think what... Who's going to end up as... So who's going to be the governor and who's going to be the new senator?
hannah claire brimelow
Jim Justice won the Senate primary.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So we're not getting a better one.
Sorry.
Never mind.
hannah claire brimelow
Did Patrick Morrisey win the primary for governor?
He's the current AG.
tim pool
I don't know.
Did he?
hannah claire brimelow
Let me look.
elad eliahu
And then you guys have Larry Hogan next door.
tim pool
Oh, that is a crackpot.
elad eliahu
Running for Senate.
But he's good for the Republican...
It would be a Republican like him who would quit in that seat.
tim pool
I give Morsi C+.
I wish he did better.
I wish he did more.
But he's still pretty good.
He's done a lot of good things.
He's done a lot of good things.
You know, it is what it is.
elad eliahu
Let's get him on the show.
hannah claire brimelow
Riley Moore for Congress.
tim pool
Oh yeah, Riley winning is based.
That's based AF.
elad eliahu
We need to shoot a skateboarding video with him in Congress, so.
tim pool
Yeah.
Riley was here at the opening.
He did a kickflip fakie on the bank.
And I'm like, pretty sure it's the only... You know, it annoys me when they're like, I'm a congressman and I skate.
And then they don't really skate.
Like, remember... Who's an annoying guy who lost all of his races in Texas?
unidentified
The guy who looks like... Dado!
tim pool
He's like, I skateboard!
It's like, dude, you can stand on a skateboard.
How dare you?
Riley Moore actually can skate.
He rolled in, and you can tell that Riley was probably super good when he was younger, but he's like a dad now, and he's a state treasurer.
But he did what's called a fakie no-slide, or I guess you... I don't like calling it a half-cab no-slide, but he slid.
He jumped up and he slid on a ledge.
I was like, pretty good!
I was like, wow, he didn't get warmed up.
And he did a kickflip.
That means he jumped in the air.
The board flipped under his feet.
He landed back on it and rolled away, going backwards.
So with that, I'm like, there you go.
He's probably the only member of Congress who can actually skateboard.
But I was talking to him and I was like, yeah, but it's kind of obvious it's going to happen because millennials who grew up skateboarding are now at the age where they're entering politics.
So it's unsurprising that we'll start to see more of this.
hannah claire brimelow
The Skateboarders Caucus is going to be crazy then.
I'm excited to see that.
tim pool
Oh, dude, shout out to Mikey Taylor, one of the greatest skateboarders ever, who is a Republican city councilman in, I think, Thousand Oaks, California.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, I love to hear it, man.
It's amazing to, you know, like I'm growing up and watching him skate and he's one of the best.
And then one day someone was like, you know that he's a Republican city councilman?
I was like, no way.
That's amazing.
And he's awesome.
I mean, he's one of the best skateboarders ever, so.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm glad you're being represented in the government, Tim.
tim pool
I mean, I think he's in Thousand Oaks.
I follow his content.
I don't really pay attention to his political stuff.
elad eliahu
I wonder if Congress would kick you out for shredding on the steps of Congress out there, Mr. Moore.
tim pool
No.
No, because a guy had gay sex in the Senate building.
elad eliahu
That's so true.
Whatever.
tim pool
He got fired, though, didn't he?
elad eliahu
And he took a video and picture of it, too.
I feel like that's... He didn't really do it.
He took video of it to send in his groups to brag and be... Yep.
hannah claire brimelow
Degenerate.
elad eliahu
Anyway.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's change the subject.
Mike Anderson says, as a Michael Anderson, we disavow the transabled-ish poster.
We like our Mike Anderson astronauts and pro athletes better.
elad eliahu
Maybe it was this guy who left the comment.
It might have been this guy.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know, he disavowed.
elad eliahu
Trying to cover his bases.
hannah claire brimelow
He disavowed.
elad eliahu
Now that he sees the heat's on, oh, the judge sent letters.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like, it could be any of Mike Anderson's.
We don't know!
tim pool
Proud Zionist says, it's ironic we get anti-gun Dems on gun charges and not the other laws they break.
This basically comes down to not being political charged.
If this makes Dems against background checks even better.
We've got to get rid of background checks because you see how they weaponize it against Hunter Biden?
christina urso
It's true.
hannah claire brimelow
How could they do this to Hunter Biden?
elad eliahu
It's the Biden DOJ as well, but he's going to get off in Wilmington.
There's no way a jury will find him guilty there.
That's my professional legal opinion.
tim pool
Vincent Current says, Vermont GOP rules bar it from promoting any candidate who is a convicted felon.
hannah claire brimelow
I saw that.
elad eliahu
That's cool.
christina urso
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
Is Trump worried about Vermont?
hannah claire brimelow
I wonder if they'll change their... I don't know that the Republican stronghold of Vermont is much to worry about.
tim pool
Virginia's a swing state now.
This is the latest polling that came out.
It's been changed to toss-up.
elad eliahu
Was it Northam who won there not too long ago in a special... No, Yunkin.
tim pool
Northam lost.
He was the blackface pro-abortion-after-birth guy.
Yeah, that doesn't really fly well.
elad eliahu
I only caught up with him, huh?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, you can only be elected to public office and do blackface if you're Justin Trudeau in Canada.
elad eliahu
Junkin was also elected during the CRT time, which we don't hear much about anymore, but I remember when there was a reckoning with that.
That's... Junkin kind of rode that wave.
We'll see if... I think it's two-year term.
We'll see if he gets re-elected.
tim pool
Was it Northam?
He was the one where he didn't know if he was the Klan member or the guy in blackface?
elad eliahu
Or just didn't say.
hannah claire brimelow
It was rough.
elad eliahu
He didn't want to admit which.
hannah claire brimelow
He was like, I don't know which one's worse.
elad eliahu
Which one do you... would you rather be?
I think blackface is better than Klan member, because Klan members, like...
You're dressed up as a Klan member.
I could be wrong.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
We have to poll the progressive.
tim pool
Which one is worse?
I don't think there's a way out.
hannah claire brimelow
This is a man on the street in New York for you.
elad eliahu
Hannah-Claire, which are you preferring?
The Klan or Blackface?
tim pool
Yeah, which one do you like more?
elad eliahu
Which one?
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Which one do you relate with?
hannah claire brimelow
Do a documentary.
He's a fan.
No, I honestly think you have to pull progressives, right?
Like, I think that it's not up to me.
I'm not the one offended by any of this.
I think you have to ask people, like, which one is worse?
elad eliahu
I'd say distasteful to dress up as a KKK member more than blackface.
Christina?
christina urso
Yes, I don't have an opinion on this.
Although I will say, for the one in the KKK hood, is he representing, like, the FBI here?
hannah claire brimelow
That's true!
christina urso
I don't know, so I'm not sure.
tim pool
Let's go.
Let's read some more.
What have we here?
Devin True says, Russia is a bad actor, and we are antagonizing them with Cuban missile crisis action in Ukraine.
Kennedy stated Soviet offensive weapons fired from Cuba would be an act of war yet here we are.
Yep.
No question.
It's insane.
And the the deep states are trying to trick people into thinking we're not involved.
Yeah, right, dude.
I think the idea that they're trying to find a way to not put Trump in jail and get out of this makes sense.
Because what do they do?
If Trump goes to jail, he's going to get $2 billion overnight.
It's going to be nuts.
See if there was a drop in money given to a daughter's firm.
I think the idea that they're trying to find a way to not put Trump in jail and get out
of this makes sense because what do they do?
If Trump goes to jail, he's going to get $2 billion overnight.
It's going to be nuts.
elad eliahu
If they send him to an island, he'd take over and get elected on the island.
tim pool
It would be like, he's too dangerous to be left alone.
He must go to the island.
And then they think they got him four years later.
We see a ship on the horizon and it's like a wood craft that was manufactured from the trees on the island.
elad eliahu
It'd be like a Napoleon thing where they send him off to some island.
Yeah, we'll never see him.
And then he comes back, raises an arm.
Anyway, I don't want to, that sounds like an insurrection.
tim pool
He's got a bow and arrow.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, we're not allowed to raise armies anymore?
This country's so oppressive.
unidentified
We're not allowed to raise armies.
tim pool
All right.
Emacs Tactical says, as much as I loathe the Bidens, as someone who is an ammunition dealer right outside of Pittsburgh, PA, the 4473 form as a whole fails each and every constitutionally check there.
I agree.
The idea that you have to self-incriminate, it's insane.
So how about we use this, we should all come to the defense of Hunter Biden to nullify the federal background check system.
elad eliahu
I wonder how often these are being, or people are being convicted under this statute.
Because again, under normal circumstances, it seems like it would be pretty hard to prove somebody was a drug addict at that time.
It just seems like one of those things that they safely just say, yeah, you're obviously
not crackhead right now trying to buy a gun.
unidentified
I was Hunter Biden's, I'm not a crackhead right now.
tim pool
I just had a premonition.
I had a vision.
Hunter Biden gets convicted.
All of the gun groups file briefs on his behalf and join his appeal under the argument that federal background check forms are a violation of our constitutional rights.
It goes to the Supreme Court.
The Supreme Court agrees making someone who has not been convicted of a crime self-incriminate and then charging them for it is a violation of the Constitution.
Therefore, the National Instant Background Check System is hereby dissolved.
That would be the greatest thing ever.
christina urso
I'm on board with that.
hannah claire brimelow
If somehow Biden has a two-way win at the Supreme Court under his presidency, like, twist I did not expect!
elad eliahu
Tim, if Hunter is convicted and then Trump was elected, do you think he should pardon Hunter?
tim pool
Yes.
Trump should absolutely come out and say, and I think all the two-way people would cheer for him if he said, we're not here to argue anything Hunter has done in terms of foreign business dealings.
We're not here to make political arguments about my previous rival's family.
We are here to talk about the violation of the Constitution and how Hunter Biden was forced to self-incriminate, and when he refused to do so, was imprisoned for it.
For that reason, I am calling on the Supreme Court to make the right decision for advocacy groups to file the lawsuits, but in the interim, Hunter Biden will be pardoned of this crime for that reason.
elad eliahu
It's funny because Trump or Biden wouldn't be able to say like, oh yeah, I'd also pardon my son.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm just trying to imagine what sort of like passive aggressive statement that Biden would put out.
tim pool
What if Biden pardons him for that reason?
You can't argue with him.
He's right.
elad eliahu
Trump should have promised to pardon Biden instead of Ross Albrecht at the Libertarian Convention because Hunter is the new face of the Libertarian Party.
Tax evasion.
Crack.
unidentified
Guns.
Oh my gosh, Hunter Biden on a Libertarian ticket.
elad eliahu
Sex workers.
I mean, he's better than Chase Oliver.
I'd rather vote for Hunter Biden than Chase Oliver.
tim pool
Okay, the Libertarian Party is this.
A bunch of Ron Paul fans and then a bunch of people who want certain things that are illegal to be legal.
So there's a guy who's like, he wants to do crack and take his clothes off and he can't.
So he goes to libertarians and he's like, do you think we should be allowed to do drugs and get naked?
And they go, well, yeah, you should do whatever you want.
He's like, sign me up.
So they get this wacky party of crazy ideas, because it's basically a party of people saying, why can't I do this thing that is currently illegal?
hannah claire brimelow
They're fighting for their right to do things they want to do.
unidentified
Look.
tim pool
Chickmicken Returns says, Tim, what are your thoughts on Sheldon Adelson?
He bought Trump and the rest of the GOP, and that's why we didn't get anything Trump promised in the 2016 campaign.
I don't think that's why we didn't get things that Trump promised.
I think Adelson—didn't Adelson want Bolton?
elad eliahu
He's dead now, by the way.
tim pool
Right, but Adelson wanted Bolton, so Trump hired Bolton.
elad eliahu
We don't have a lot to talk about.
I think he's mentioning this on the heels of Miriam Adelson's $100 million donation to Trump.
tim pool
So that he annexes the West Bank.
christina urso
Right.
elad eliahu
You know, I think Adelson's need to be credited and praised for helping Trump get across the finish line.
Trump, we complain about when big donors don't put their money where their mouth is in supporting Trump.
And then when they do, we complain about them.
Why?
I think we know why people like complaining about the Adelsons, but I think they're doing a great mitzvah with the amount of money.
I think these are some of Trump's biggest donors across multiple campaigns.
So instead of being thankful, we're complaining about some of Trump's biggest donors.
unidentified
So where do you line up on the West Bank thing?
elad eliahu
I think we need to annex all of Area A. Area A. So I have a question.
Because you know Camp David Accords, if we're getting into it, all of Area A. And also, people are right when they accuse Israel of ethnic cleansing.
Israel ethnically cleansed all the Jews outside of Gaza.
That is the only ethnic cleansing Israel has ever been responsible for.
tim pool
I mean, they removed the Jews from Gaza.
elad eliahu
They ethnically cleansed them.
There is no longer any Jews in Gaza, which I disagree with.
Yeah, I disagree with the disengagement to begin with.
And now Israel's losing more lives to have to deal with problems that would have been less hard-head-juiced.
tim pool
I have a question for the audience here.
If your options were Joe Biden wins or Donald Trump wins and the U.S.
has to help Israel annex the West Bank, which do you pick?
elad eliahu
Repeat that.
tim pool
You can choose between Biden winning or Trump winning, but the U.S.
has to help Israel annex the West Bank.
elad eliahu
Is this a question?
tim pool
Anyone who wants to answer.
The reason I ask is because Miriam Adelson allegedly, that's the...
hannah claire brimelow
That's her ask?
tim pool
Yeah, right.
She's going to pledge $100 million in helping him get re-elected, but she wants the U.S.
to support Israel's efforts to annex the West Bank.
elad eliahu
Is there the explicit quid pro quo in that, though?
tim pool
I don't know.
elad eliahu
It's a report.
I think she's just...
Between the two of...
tim pool
I'll pull it up.
elad eliahu
Because I think the Adelsons believe that the Republicans would just be more pro-Israel writ large, and that's why they would try to get the Republican elected over the Democrat.
Not because of any specific pro quo.
hannah claire brimelow
I see that in both options, we're still entangled in Israel.
elad eliahu
Aretz is like an Israeli CNN, so take it with a grain of salt.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Well, so they reported that Miriam Adelson, her condition is West Bank annexation.
elad eliahu
I don't think they're going to get that, frankly.
tim pool
I agree.
elad eliahu
It's a great ask.
She could want it.
She's still going to donate.
Trump's not going to be able to okay that.
Parts of the West Bank, I'm cool with.
Area A. We start with that.
What is Area A?
So in the Camp David Accord, it would be better if you asked GBT, but Area A is Israel has complete sovereignty and Palestinians still live there.
Area B is where they have civil control.
Area C is where they have total control.
And the West Bank is kind of divided into three parts.
Explain to me like I'm five.
tim pool
It's gonna be like, I ain't I ain't doing it.
It's gonna be like, no, no, we are not talking about this.
elad eliahu
It's really thinking.
tim pool
It's just like, depends on who's asking.
I said, what is Area A in Israel?
Is that the right question?
hannah claire brimelow
It's asking its censors if it's allowed to do that.
christina urso
It won't do it.
elad eliahu
Tim, I think Wikipedia would be doing a good job if you did, like, Camp David Accords, Area A, B, and C. Yeah, ChattyPT is like, I am not getting involved in this.
christina urso
I will say, as far as Sheldon Adelson goes, I don't like Jonathan Pollard flying back to make a liar on Adelson's private jet, which he did, knowing the damage he did to U.S.
national security.
elad eliahu
Jonathan Pollard was an Israeli spy, an American citizen who was an Israeli spy.
christina urso
He spied for multiple people.
elad eliahu
I believe it was for money and then Trump ended up pardoning him and he was greeted as a hero within Israel despite being a traitor to Israel's greatest ally in America.
So I agree with you.
tim pool
Patrick Gallagher says Biden will pardon Hunter no matter the outcome of the election.
It's his last chance at office.
I think so.
I think Joe Biden's going to put out a bunch of pardons for a whole bunch of Democrats.
Like there's a strong possibility if Trump wins, Biden's going to issue pardons for stuff that's going to make your jaw at the floor.
They're going to be like, he's going to pardon Hillary Clinton because you can pardon before a crime has been charged or indicted.
He's going to be like blanket pardon for sedition for all of these things.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Uh, yeah, ChadTPT says, uh-uh.
We ain't going there.
elad eliahu
Something wrong.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you just break ChadTPT?
tim pool
It says, I do not want to answer that question.
Did you guys see the clip from the Whatever podcast?
elad eliahu
No.
tim pool
Where the woman goes, she says something like, you know, there's these secret agencies, like you've got Mossad, so when it comes to Israel, and he goes, no!
No!
No, we're not talking about this!
And everyone was like, they got mad at him.
Is he Jewish, that guy?
elad eliahu
The Whatever podcast guy?
tim pool
No, but I'm like, I'm not surprised the guy who wants to talk about dating is saying don't talk Israel-Palestine on my show.
You know, it's like, he wants to talk about loose women, not the... He's trying to dunk on the internet, girls.
hannah claire brimelow
This is not his repertoire.
tim pool
Okay, it gave it.
Area A and Israel first are regions of the West Bank where the Palestinian Authority has full civil and security control.
The classification stems from the Oslo Accords, which divided the West Bank into areas A, B, and C, with different levels of administrative control.
Area A includes major Palestinian cities and is meant to be under Palestinian administrative and police authority, while Israel retains control over security matters in other parts of the West Bank.
elad eliahu
I think I had them reversed then.
Then I want area C annexed.
Could you pull up a map of it?
If you look it up on a...
tim pool
Oh, I could probably ask it.
Here, I'll do this.
Draw me a map of it.
elad eliahu
It could produce a map?
tim pool
Uh, it could make images.
elad eliahu
Yeah, because area A, B, and C are very clearly defined.
tim pool
Um... I bet it's gonna be a weird nonsensical map that's like an AI-generated not, like... It's gonna be like a... It's like the map for the Barbie movie.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
unidentified
It just doesn't have the West Bank on there at all.
What?
elad eliahu
What is this?
Holy crap.
Where did it get?
tim pool
I knew it was going to be fake, right?
Like, what is this?
I knew it was going to be some weird fake nonsense.
elad eliahu
GBT wants to make Israel an expansionist country.
unidentified
Look, they're really trying to go... It's got two Area Bs.
tim pool
Yeah, it does.
It's got two Area Bs.
It's got an ARA-A, a VIALT.
It's got a NABDAO.
I knew it was going to do something like this, right?
elad eliahu
But it looks really colorful and cute.
Do you want to just try Google Tim for the A, B, and C?
tim pool
No, this is more fun.
hannah claire brimelow
All right, well.
elad eliahu
Anyway, and maybe a quarter of Gaza.
tim pool
It's okay, this is not a real map of Israel.
elad eliahu
Oh, it's a bit complex, Tim.
You need to understand.
hannah claire brimelow
It's shaming you.
unidentified
Thank you.
elad eliahu
Oh, I like how it tries to actually, uh, but tell him is like a very far left organization
in Israel.
So it's interesting that the sources they try to use.
I'm not familiar with the UN map.
tim pool
I think in a year it'll be able to actually make maps.
It's actually really interesting how quickly it's developing and evolving.
A year ago, you couldn't get text.
in an AI-generated image, now text is starting to appear really well.
elad eliahu
But these political questions are going to be very difficult for it.
So like, for example, if you ask if Taiwan's a country, it'll also give you this weird gobbly go- what?
tim pool
It said, it looks like there was an issue with the polygons for the areas.
I'll correct this and try again and generate the map.
Creating polygons using Shapely directly within Pandas data frame may cause issues.
I'll use a different approach to ensure the polygons are correctly handled in Geopandas.
Let me correct the approach and generate the map again.
elad eliahu
This is third Geopandas.
tim pool
It seems there is a consistent issue with data handling for the polygons in Geopandas.
I will simplify the approach to ensure... Wow, this is great.
It's trying real hard.
hannah claire brimelow
It's trying really hard, yeah.
tim pool
Here's a more straightforward approach to draw a map representation without complex geographic data handling.
Manually plot the areas as colored rectangles.
Oops, an error!
I broke it!
elad eliahu
I got them confused.
Area... I was thinking Area A was Area C. Area C is where Israel has its administered, B is administered by the Palestinian Authority where Israel's security control, and Area A is totally administered by the Palestinian Authority.
Area C is like 50% of the West Bank.
tim pool
Wow, I broke it.
That's unfortunate.
elad eliahu
I think Israel broke it.
Give Israel some credit here, come on.
tim pool
Chat, GPD broke it?
I'm pushing it to the limits.
In a year or so, it's gonna be able to do all of this stuff.
It's gonna be wild.
You're gonna be able to tell it to make a video of Israel conquering Palestine, and it will.
elad eliahu
I'm sad to... I won't try to sidetrack too hard today, but the New York Times... This is a little better, but still wrong.
No, it doesn't have A, B, or C. No, I know.
tim pool
Joran is not a place, and it's certainly not where it is.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
tim pool
And I've never heard of Ehan Pinaya.
But it's... Look, it got pretty close!
You know?
hannah claire brimelow
Like, it's... It's predicted to come.
elad eliahu
At least they gave us the Golan Heights.
unidentified
So...
elad eliahu
And Jerusalem?
Okay.
hannah claire brimelow
Make another that is detailed and just show me.
tim pool
Not detailed.
hannah claire brimelow
Not detailed.
tim pool
So while it's doing that, I guess we're going to start winding down.
So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member to support our work directly, because we rely on you as members to make the show work.
You can follow me on X and Instagram at TimCast.
Again, smash the like button.
Christina, do you want to shout anything out?
christina urso
Yes, my ex, we're calling it ex now, we're officially not on Twitter, I guess, is notradix, N-O-T-R-A-D-I-X, and the documentary ex account is kandkfilm, like the letter K, because...
I didn't want to get a website that was kidnapandkill.com.
That'd be weird.
So kandkfilm is the X and the website kandkfilm.
You can watch the trailer there for the documentary.
You can support it.
You can also find ways to write to the five men who are still wrongly incarcerated.
I have their mailing addresses there.
So that would be great also.
elad eliahu
Absolutely.
It was cool having you to chat a bit today.
My name is Elad Eliyahu.
I'm a field reporter here at TimCast News.
For those who are interested a little bit more in my work, I'm actually covering two events tomorrow in D.C.
The White House will be surrounded by pro-Palestine protesters in the morning and then D.C.
pride during the afternoon.
Check us out on Twitter if you want to see more of that.
Anna Claire?
hannah claire brimelow
It's been so fun being here.
I hope you guys have a great Friday night.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.scnr.com at Scanner News.
Oh, that's totally right.
You need to follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram to see all of his work.
I'm really excited to see what you film on the ground.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Twitter.
Formerly Twitter, I guess.
HannahClaireB.
I'm on Instagram at HannahClaire.B.
Guys, thanks for all the support every night.
I can't talk anymore.
Bye, Serge!
unidentified
See you guys.
tim pool
We'll see you all with clips throughout the weekend and then we're back on Monday.
Thanks for hanging out.
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