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Cohen CAUGHT LYING In TV Drama Moment During Trump Trial w/Lauren Chen, Benny Johnson | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
It's a remarkable moment in the Trump trial.
Not only did we get this amazing moment yesterday where Michael Cohen's own lawyer testifies to the House that he's lying under oath, which is kind of an insane thing.
Like, how does this happen?
His lawyer comes out and says, Cohen told me years ago, there's nothing on Trump.
He's got nothing.
And this lawyer saying, Michael, give me anything on Trump and all of your troubles go away.
And Michael's like, I don't have anything.
And now here, and he breaks down the story of why Michael paid Stormy Daniels, how this is currently fake.
I thought that was shocking enough.
Then today, in trial on cross-examination, Michael Cohen was caught in an outright lie so dramatic that news is reporting it as a TV drama moment.
Where he claims he's on the phone talking about this payment and then the lawyer was like, in fact you lied!
And then he like shows the proof and then there's like, they called it a pin drop TV aha moment.
It is absolutely silly that we've not even got to the defense yet.
It's just the prosecution and everyone knows it's fake.
CNN, Fareed Zakaria saying this is illegitimate.
MSNBC legal analysts saying it's illegitimate.
They really screwed this one up.
So we'll talk about that.
And then we got some interesting news pertaining to, we'll talk about what's going on with Harrison Butker and the attempts to ban him.
100,000 signatures on a petition to get him fired from the Kansas City Chiefs.
But we got a whole bunch of different political commentators here tonight, so it should be a great and grand cacophony of unintelligible political commentary.
There we go, it's already begun.
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We've got many guests tonight.
First up, joining us, we've got Lauren Chen.
lauren chen
Hey, thank you for having me.
Always a great time to be with the TimCast crew.
My name is Lauren.
I'm a TPUSA contributor, a BlazeTV host.
You can find my videos on YouTube.
Lauren Chen, the political, I guess, current events channel, mediaholic, entertainment, pop culture.
And I'm also a humble soap salesman.
My mother makes the best bath and body products you will ever try.
You can check them out at clearlypure.etsy.com spelled c-l-e-a-r-l-y-p-u-r.etsy.com and use the code MOM15 to save 15% off a late Mother's Day present.
And yeah, these are the best soaps you'll ever have.
Body scrubs, body butters, you name it, Mama Chen does good work.
tim pool
And also, tomorrow, on The Culture War, on Tenet Media, Lauren Chen, as well as many others, will be having a conversation.
Pearl Davis will be here, and it's going to be exciting and fun.
lauren chen
It's going to be explosive.
It's going to be a good time.
It's going to be many months of Twitter back and forth in the making.
It's going to be great.
tim pool
Yeah, we've got four people showing up, but I guess the main event was, you know, you and Pearl were having this back and forth, so we're now going to have the in-person debate on the On men, women, are women to blame for men's sins?
lauren chen
Is marriage just terrible?
All the good stuff.
The very, very topical conversations.
tim pool
We'll be fun.
Benny Johnson is here.
benny johnson
Yo!
What up?
The salt must flow.
Follow at Benny Johnson.
I'm a guy who traffics in salt.
We just want to have a very salty night.
I want salt shakers.
I got the chat up.
I'm already in the chat.
I'm up like 40 different chats already.
I want salt shakers.
All in the chat.
We're sodium deficient around here.
Gotta get our electrolytes up.
And we're going to have a salty show.
This has been a great day.
It's been a victorious week.
And so we're going to be out here.
If you guys want to follow me, it's at Benny Johnson.
We just passed 2 million subs on YouTube!
So head on over if you don't already subscribe.
I don't have any soap or body wash or anything to sell.
Alright.
We can hook you up, Benny.
lauren chen
Don't worry about it.
benny johnson
Thank you very much.
I'm sure my wife would appreciate that.
And I do brush my teeth at night.
tim pool
Right on.
And ALX is here.
alex alx lorusso
What's up?
I'm the executive producer for Benny Johnson, and I'm also a creator on X.com.
Follow me, at A-L-X.
unidentified
Right on.
tim pool
And Hannah Clare, of course, is hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's going to be a fun show.
I'm Hannah Clare Brimel.
I'm a writer for SCNR.com, Scanner News.
Hi, Serge!
unidentified
Hey, Hannah Clare.
Hey, everybody.
Let's get started.
tim pool
Here we go.
From the Daily Mail, Michael Cohen is torn to shreds—to shreds, you say—by Trump's attorneys in blistering cross-examination over Stormy Daniels' hush money payments.
Man, there's so much to get through in this Trump trial.
We already have two instances where Cohen is caught lying.
The big story that was yesterday, bleeding into today, is that Michael Cohen's own lawyer came out saying, uh, this guy's lying under oath because I already went through these issues with him years ago and I know none of this is true, testified to the GOP or to the House Committee on Weaponization of Government.
And then, before we even get into all of that, we have this moment from the court, which they're calling a TV drama, rare in real life, aha moment, where Michael Cohen claimed that he was on the phone talking about this payment to Stormy Daniels, but as it turns out, they actually have proof he was talking about a prank caller.
It was a short phone call.
They have proof he was talking to this kid on the phone, and he's threatening him, and the kid's like, I'm only 14, man.
And so then he tries lying in court.
This is absolutely fascinating.
The wild thing about it is you end up with even CNN here.
We have this MAGA war room.
Matt Walsh called me out for calling it MAGA.
I say MAGA, I guess.
CNN's Jake Tapper on President Trump's attorney Todd Blanch catching Michael Cohen in a lie today.
This seems pretty bad.
Let's play a quick clip from our good friends over at CNN.
unidentified
Because he's so unbelievable and not to be believed.
jake tapper
Well I think one of the things that they've accomplished today, Blanche is raising his
voice now as he's asking Cohen to say, to ask Cohen if the call records show a conversation
with Schiller about the harassment, not with Trump about Daniels.
So what they're doing here, Ellie, is they have, I guess the effectiveness will be up
to the jury.
But Todd Blanche has now made the point, not only has Michael Cohen lied before Congress, not only has he lied before various judges, not only has he lied in any number of places, he has lied before you today.
Michael Cohen says part of it Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14 year olds this is about the the which of the call what was the call about part
of it was the 14 year old but I know Keith was with mr.
Trump at the time and there was more potentially than this but yeah yeah yeah
benny johnson
busted it's what's the can't wait for that guy to moderate a debate
Isn't that great?
It's gonna be so exciting, actually.
tim pool
You know what the big challenge is with a story like this?
Is that we are so deep and entrenched in the, they're lying about Trump now, eight years, nine years on, that I just assume everyone already knows it's all fake.
lauren chen
Yeah, I realized a few weeks ago I was doing a panel with pro and anti-Trump Republicans.
I had just kind of taken for granted that we basically all, unless you're literally on CNN yourself, know this is all a ruse.
This is all fake.
This is basically just made up to try and wage lawfare against Trump to hurt his campaign.
There are actually still never-Trump Republicans who are convinced, like, this is all real.
He's an actual literal criminal.
He's trying to overthrow democracy.
And it was kind of a wake-up call for me, like, hang on, maybe I'm in a bubble because there are people who still believe this.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's crazy.
The fact that the media's attitude towards this is really what controls a lot of non-politicals' opinion.
Yesterday, they were going after Todd Blanchard, basically saying, like, he's not punching this guy hard enough.
He hasn't done anything on Cohen.
What is he doing?
They're really critical of how he, you know, handled the first day of cross.
And then today we have this evidence and it's like, hey, maybe this team has a plan.
Maybe you're not going to be able to defend what you said yesterday to everyone who you said, the defense has nothing, because it really does come down to tying Michael Cohen.
All of these key witnesses they've had for weeks, they need Michael Cohen to tie all of this together, and he's not credible.
tim pool
The craziest thing was when I heard on the news, they said Cohen is wrapping up the prosecution's case, and I was like, wait, wait.
They've not presented any evidence.
The argument from many of these anti-Trump Republicans and Democrats was they're waiting to drop the bombshell evidence the last minute.
And then they were like, yeah, we had Cohen and he's caught lying and that's it.
Thank you.
benny johnson
So this is a terrible way to close it out.
Like, this is their star witness.
This is like having Nickelback close out your music festival.
unidentified
Hey, Nickelback's huge.
benny johnson
So, I'm trying to think of a better metaphor.
hannah claire brimelow
No, that was good.
That was perfect.
benny johnson
Thank you, Lauren.
unidentified
Controversial already tonight.
benny johnson
Lauren's Canadian, so she has the right to speak on Nickelback.
tim pool
Nickelback had a song, I think, 16 weeks at number one.
And some leftists who were protesting in Chicago made a meme about Nickelback being bad, and then everyone just parroted it.
But they're just some band.
So I debate you, sir.
unidentified
Are we using popular opinion to determine good music, Tim?
tim pool
I mean, I think we'd be better off saying, like, having Cardi B or, like, you know, WAP.
lauren chen
WAP, yeah.
tim pool
You know what I mean?
lauren chen
But that's another song that charted, I guess.
So in terms of, like, well, Nickelback had a song that charted, Cardi B is up there with her WAP also.
benny johnson
I would give anything to hear Nickelback's cover of WAP.
tim pool
That's a good point.
I thought we could AI that.
Anyway, back to your actual point.
benny johnson
I saw Jack Black singing Hit Me Baby one more time on social media, and that was actually, that was banging.
That was a heater.
So my point is that he's a liar.
He's gone to prison for lying, he's been caught in demonstrable empirical lies to Congress, to pretty much every single government agency, he's already written a letter and signed it saying that none of this happened, and his own lawyer is coming out against him.
So the guy who was paid to defend him is coming out saying, In Congress yesterday, this guy is a liar.
And so, the nature of liars is, of course, you have no idea when they're lying, or what they're lying about, and so, you shouldn't involve yourself with liars.
If you have a girlfriend, and she tells you that she's going to the grocery store, and you found out that she didn't go to the grocery store, and she lies to you, and she can't tell you where she went, you gotta dump that girlfriend.
That's an unhealthy relationship.
That is a toxic relationship.
You cannot hang around liars.
You should not be in the council of liars.
And Michael Cohen is their star witness, and he is a dirty rat liar.
And it's blown up.
According to all the people who've come on our program, members of Congress, Trump's lawyers, Alina Haba, they're sitting there in the courthouse looking at the jury, and they're saying, these people aren't convinced.
I don't care if they came from the Upper East Side.
I don't care if they already had predetermined Trump biases, anti-Trump biases.
They're not convinced.
The jurors don't like this.
And nobody wants the... If you have a shred of morality, you don't want to put an innocent man in prison.
You don't want to be the person who voted to put an innocent man in jail or convict an innocent man.
I think... I think it's a bust.
I think today was the bust.
tim pool
I agree, I agree.
But I would not discount, when it comes to closing arguments, When the prosecution is looking at the jury and making their case, I wouldn't be surprised if they say things like, think about Donald Trump and everything you've heard about him and what he's done, here in this courtroom, and take that into consideration when you are going to decide whether he should be free to continue all of the things you've heard he's done
You see my point?
The prosecution is, I believe, they're going to try and frame it as much as possible as, I know it's BS but this is your chance to put him away, just do it.
lauren chen
You just need one.
You just need one.
That's what people are saying the entire time about Bragg, why he brought the case.
look at Trump not like him and convict anyway or be so filled with TDS that they haven't
been paying attention this entire time.
And we've seen with Derek Chauvin that the justice system isn't perfect.
So I think there's definitely a chance that I mean, regardless of whether this case makes
any sense or not, Trump's reputation is going to precede him.
benny johnson
That's what people need.
alex alx lorusso
One, you just need one.
That's what people are saying the entire time about Bragg, why he brought the case.
And previously, people didn't bring the case, not because they didn't think they could prove
a crime, but he is trying to bring in Stormy Daniels and not even list the crime that they're
going after.
And they're just trying to muddy up his reputation and have the most salacious testimony possible.
And then, yeah, the star witnesses for this case, Stormy Daniels and then Michael Cohen,
a convicted perjurer, liar, and not even tell the jury what the crime they're going after
is basically just to damage his reputation even further.
And what you're saying to take everything that you know about Donald Trump into account
when making your decision, regardless if there's the crime that they're trying to.
say that he committed but haven't told the jury yet.
They just want them to act on their beliefs and everything that they think about Donald
Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
Exactly.
Did you see that Mitt Romney did this MSNBC interview and he was saying Biden should have
pardoned Trump.
He should have done everything in his power to prevent this from getting prosecuted because
ultimately it's not working out in their favor.
benny johnson
Mitt Romney wants so bad to be president.
It's really sad.
It's so sad.
hannah claire brimelow
He could unify everybody.
benny johnson
I think the goal for Mitt Romney is to end up in an electoral college tie.
Where neither Biden nor Trump wins, and they find a consensus candidate, and he becomes that candidate.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's his goal.
He was asked, are you going to vote for Trump?
And he's like, well, I could never vote for anyone who has been convicted in a case that implies a sexual battery against a woman, and be like, sir, please see yourself out.
Just head on out.
You're going to retire.
benny johnson
Mitt Romney's always got an angle, man.
alex alx lorusso
He's the Jeb meme.
lauren chen
I like the photo of him with Trump where it looks like Mitt Romney is crying.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, the dinner one.
That's great.
tim pool
I used ChatGPT and it generated a series of projections of which most of them said Trump wins either slightly or in substantial ways, but one of them was a tie.
So basically what I was doing was I was looking at 2020 polling data, taking the results of 2020, taking their polling data, plugging in 2024 polling data currently, and then adjusting the vote totals based on how the polling data is different.
So like if Biden was up by one point in this state, And Trump is up in one point.
This state basically inverts how their vote record would turn out based on party affiliation.
And the first projection it gave me was 269 to 269, which actually some pundits have projected as a strong possibility.
But the end result of that is a Trump-Harris administration.
Because the House chooses the president when it's a tie, and the Senate chooses the vice president.
So they picked- Oh my god.
What a wacky sitcom.
Hold on, what if it's a tie, and then the House chooses Trump and then the Senate chooses Biden?
alex alx lorusso
Oh my gosh.
lauren chen
Trump-Biden.
Are we still operating under the assumption that Biden is going to make it to November?
How do we feel about that?
tim pool
He's already, what, three years past the average life expectancy for an American male, not to mention he's got plates in his brain.
I saw the best tweet ever.
It was a tweet from, like, CNN announces the debate June 27th, and they said, we are about to see the Manhattan Project of Psychoactive Stimulus.
alex alx lorusso
I did see this, yes.
That was a great one.
lauren chen
All of the methamphetamines just in his coffee.
tim pool
Oh, it's something new!
benny johnson
It's top-tier stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
He doesn't go to Delaware every weekend for nothing.
That's all I'm saying.
alex alx lorusso
Pupils are gonna be black.
The video that we always play.
benny johnson
He's gonna look like an anime.
Yeah, I mean, they keep finding bags of coke everywhere.
The State of the Union was not too long ago.
Bag of Coke in the Capitol.
They just found one.
lauren chen
Wasn't there one in the White House as well?
It's not like they keep cameras there, so we could never know.
benny johnson
And they got DNA.
They got DNA on the bag of Coke, and they won't tell us who it is.
They have the DNA samples.
It's at Quantico.
It's at the FBI labs, and they have the DNA on it.
tim pool
Why tell us they have it?
benny johnson
They're protecting somebody?
tim pool
But, like, why even say – wouldn't they just look at the bag on the ground and look around and then shuffle it under the rug?
Figuratively, you know?
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, right.
benny johnson
The interesting thing about this is that there are only a few people who get waived into the White House.
So, have you ever been to the White House?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, you don't get waived in.
benny johnson
You don't get waived in.
Only family members get waived in.
If you go to the – if I go to the White House – I've been to the White House a couple times – you have to actually go through this humiliating, degrading situation where you stand on a giant rubber mat.
And a German Shepherd, an angry looking German Shepherd, that's massive!
Okay, I don't know where they breed these things.
tim pool
Germany maybe.
benny johnson
It like smells you.
It's super, it's really humiliating.
Literally smells.
And you stand there and it smells you for drugs.
And you have to go through this process to go into the White House.
There's no way somebody's getting a bag of coke into the White House.
No normal person is getting a bag of coke into the White House.
Because you have to go through that process.
tim pool
They give you like a badge first, right?
benny johnson
Yeah, well only afterwards, yeah.
Only afterwards you get your badge, after you've gone through obviously very rigorous training.
alex alx lorusso
You have to be pre-vetted with your social security number, all of that, and like having an appointment.
tim pool
Yeah, way more than airport security.
But you're going through a similar process with wanding and all that.
benny johnson
I would say they don't just waive family members.
tim pool
No, no, no, but they don't even waive them in.
They rush them in.
benny johnson
Like family members.
tim pool
Family members are under guard and brought in through everything because those are the people they're trying to protect from you.
benny johnson
Yeah, but there's another twist here that's very interesting.
So these were in lock boxes that were on the bottom level next to the situation room that normal people don't go into, okay?
So if you're a visitor of the White House, if you're there on a tour and it's just some crankhead kid who just wants to get a Hit blow in the White House.
It'd be just great.
You can tell I've used so many drugs.
I'm so good with my lingo.
I'll stick with assault.
I'll stick with assault memes.
But it wasn't that person.
What I'm saying is, this was at a, you have to know the White House, this was at a entrance that you only go through if you are a member of family or a member of staff.
It wasn't at an entrance that was accessible to a tourist group or to a bunch of kids.
tim pool
Benny, I feel like you're onto something.
We need to make a film in the style of like Harold and Kumar go to White Castle.
It's about some college kids whose dream is to do blow in the White House.
Think about what it would be like in the White House, the one place you can't get in.
And then just the shenanigans of them doing a heist, but it's just to do drugs.
And then that explains how it got there.
unidentified
It's just, you know, to rip a rail off the bust of Teddy Roosevelt.
hannah claire brimelow
You're saying that's the American Dream?
benny johnson
I'm saying that's my American Dream.
Yeah, just laying around on the floor.
Inside of the Capitol Police Bureau.
tim pool
Does anybody check where Hunter's at?
benny johnson
Yeah, that's right.
tim pool
I feel bad for that family.
Because, you know, you look at the Ashley Biden diary, which is now confirmed.
Snopes has confirmed it.
She writes in there that she thinks she was molested.
She writes in there on that same page that her dad was taking showers with her, which she thought were inappropriate.
I think she's making an accusation against her dad.
And it's remarkable that you can have people try to defend that.
So, uh, I gotta tell you, I think Joe Biden abused his kids.
That's why they're kinda, you know, traumatized.
I'll call it that.
Doesn't absolve them of their sin, but, you know.
benny johnson
So just really quickly here, there's a book out about Joe Biden's Secret Service detail when he was Vice President, and women would ask to be taken off the Secret Service detail because Joe Biden was naked so much.
This is a known fact.
This is reported out.
This is in a book from a leftist, okay, for the Washington Post.
But he said that Joe Biden, part of his book was the women would beg to be taken off because Joe Biden would swim naked.
He'd wander around naked.
He'd talk to them completely naked.
And this was at the vice president's residence.
This wasn't in Wilmington.
This was in the center of Washington, D.C.
in one observatory circle where the vice president lives.
It's a military base.
And Joe Biden's just walking around with dick and balls out.
tim pool
This explains corn pop.
Headline.
But it does, like, my theory is that, because he told that story where he's like, I got hairy legs!
The kids, they'd rub my legs and the hair would come up.
You're Corn Pop.
You're just some local dude.
And there's Joe Biden trying to get naked.
He's at the pool and the kids are rubbing his legs and you're like, yo, get away from them kids, dude.
And then he's like, I'm gonna, like, I think Corn Pop challenged him to a fight because Joe was doing this weird stuff with kids.
lauren chen
Corn Pop was the hero all along.
unidentified
Somebody has to find this guy and interview him.
hannah claire brimelow
I need to know.
tim pool
I am dead serious when I think that's probably what happened.
This story that he called the guy Esther Williams, so he challenged him to a fight with a straight.
Get out of here.
In the same breath, he's telling the story, he says the kids are rubbing his legs in the pool.
Corn Pop goes, hey man, you stay away from them kids.
And then Joe Biden whips out a chain and slams it on the ground and they're like, yo, we don't want to fight.
alex alx lorusso
Stories are connected.
There we go.
benny johnson
Stories are connected, I think so.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah, that makes sense.
tim pool
Well, because it was at the pool.
alex alx lorusso
Same speech, yeah.
tim pool
It was the same speech at the pool.
And it's like, why did he tell the story about Corn Pop and the kids rubbing his hairy legs at the same time?
It's because he's imagining that moment.
Yeah.
Look, when you look at the videos of him touching the kids, I'm like, I gotta be honest.
He says the kids are rubbing his legs, he's on video sniffing kids, and then you hear a story about a guy trying to fight him because he called him Esther?
Oh, get out of here, dude.
Corn Pop was trying to protect those kids.
I really do think that.
I do.
benny johnson
That's the movie that needs to be made.
alex alx lorusso
Corn Pop the movie.
benny johnson
With the entire soundtrack.
alex alx lorusso
I watched that.
benny johnson
The entire soundtrack.
Original soundtrack from Nickelback.
tim pool
I was gonna say, we're onto something here.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the Biden family is just not anyone's cup of tea.
Like, I don't know anyone who saw, uh, what is his granddaughter who got married in the White House?
No one looked at that wedding and was like, great.
Like, Everyone sort of just gives it a wide berth.
No one is excited about Biden.
I think it's because there is a lot of sort of dark energy there.
It's not the same reception that you see to not just like Trump's family, but other even Democratic families.
lauren chen
Yeah, like everyone loved the Obamas.
I mean, Michelle Obama, the daughters.
No one is crazy about Jill Biden.
I mean, they'll defend her being a doctor every now and then, but no one's fawning over Jill Biden.
hannah claire brimelow
You don't want that kind of doctor when you have a heart attack.
She can teach English all she wants, but that's not the move.
But you're right, they love the Obamas.
I mean, it's just, there is something off about the family, and they can't do anything to make them marketable.
And that's interesting.
He's been in politics his whole life.
benny johnson
One group of people that don't like the Obamas, and that's 16-year-old American citizens in Yemen.
tim pool
That's true.
Maybe all of the 100,000 Yemeni children who are dead.
benny johnson
Not a big voting constituency though, so he doesn't have to worry about it.
lauren chen
Middle Eastern wedding attendants.
tim pool
I feel bad for Cornpop because I'm imagining what he must have been thinking when he saw Biden get, you know, the vice presidency and then the presidency.
unidentified
He's just sitting there like, my God, what have we done?
tim pool
Yeah.
The people must know.
And then, you know, that's it.
No one ever heard from him again.
lauren chen
But that's why I mean I think I'm looking at Newsom and I think it's really weird that the governor of California is doing national events like he's going to like bookstores in Iowa.
He's doing interviews again nationwide television talking about Biden's accomplishments.
It's like he's campaigning on behalf of Biden because Biden's incapable of doing it.
I just think it's really it's a weird move for him to be doing if he just wants to be governor of California.
hannah claire brimelow
But he doesn't.
I mean, if he doesn't get a chance earlier, he'll run in 2028 for sure.
Not that anyone would want him to, but I guess California?
benny johnson
So Tucker was on Joe Rogan's podcast and he says, Gavin Newsom just called me the other day.
Why is Gavin Newsom calling Tucker Carlson?
Just to check in!
tim pool
Hey!
benny johnson
How you doing, Tucker?
tim pool
I'm gonna go back to what I said in November.
Imagine Joe Biden is doing rallies.
He he's in California for a rally and he's on stage and he says, you know, we're going to we're going to win again for more years.
He grabs his chest.
Newsom throws his jacket, runs at full speed, pulling his sleeves up.
CPR saves the president's life.
And then everyone's shocked and gaffed.
Secret Service, they come, they pull Biden out.
And then, you know, news reports, Biden is in stable condition.
He suffered a, you know, a heart event, but he is OK.
Gavin Newsom then does the entire press junket, every single outlet.
Everyone wants the interview.
You saved the president's life.
What happened?
He says, look, I was doing what any American would have done.
And, you know, and then Joe Biden can come out and say, Ladies and gentlemen, you know, people of America, I think it is just past my time in suffering this injury.
I don't think I can be the leader you need me to be, but there is someone who has proven he has the leadership skills.
hannah claire brimelow
I think even if he had, I mean, that would be an interesting transition.
I think even if Biden had some sort of public undeniable health emergency, the White House would be like, no, he was just pausing for dramatic effect.
They would just try to walk that off as hard as possible.
I don't think Biden wants to leave.
I don't think Jill wants to leave.
lauren chen
I don't think they want to leave either, but I feel like the Democratic Party, they've got to be kind of talking amongst themselves, at the very least thinking like, all right, we are staying, even if it means he's got to go.
Because for them, it's bigger than just Joe Biden.
Right.
tim pool
Joe Biden has a heart attack.
Then Corinne Jean-Pierre is doing the press briefing.
Ducey's like, can you comment on the president suffering a heart attack?
And she goes, he didn't have a heart attack.
That's not what happened.
He was just pausing for dramatic effect.
It's like, we all watched him grip his chest and groan.
It was a metaphor.
And he was making a statement about the state of this country.
lauren chen
He was just moved by his feelings for America.
tim pool
Yeah, he was actually citing the Pledge of Allegiance.
Next question.
hannah claire brimelow
No, they really would.
I mean, anything Biden does, they just try to be like... Like, do you remember there was a while where she was like, no, he has been to the border.
Like, he's been a public official for years and years and years.
Like, everyone can verify that he hadn't been.
alex alx lorusso
And Kamala.
Kamala was saying it, like, she was, like, getting irritated to, like, every reporter asking.
She's like, we've been to the border.
We've been to the border.
tim pool
We're going.
unidentified
Are you guys all delusional?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know what to say here.
And then they were like, no, no, we're going now.
It's fine.
Now that you guys have all called us out.
But it was our idea first.
tim pool
Do they really live in the world where they're like, let's just keep lying.
CNN is no longer backing them.
Anderson Cooper.
I mean, it's funny because we have this Town Hall article pulled up, but because we haven't even got to this other Michael Cohen story.
Anderson Cooper, this is twitchy.
Michael Cohen was cornered in what appeared to be a lie.
Like the Biden administration has lost The corporate press.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
tim pool
So either the plan from the deep state is to, like, I don't know, shuffle out Joe Biden for Gavin Newsom, or Biden is just overplayed and they're just like, we got nothing.
At a certain point, even the stupidest American stops believing it.
unidentified
Yeah.
benny johnson
I think the plan for the deep state is to let Trump win.
I really do.
tim pool
I agree.
benny johnson
I completely believe that Donald Trump is going to win and maybe win by 100 electoral votes.
I think the plan is that Trump's going to win.
I think that is the plan.
All of the evidence that I see, everything from his support of Mike Johnson to sort of this more consensus look for the Republican Party to the floating of Marco Rubio as the Vice President.
He's on the Intel Committee.
He chairs the Intel Committee in the Senate.
I think all of it signals to the decision has been made that we're no longer gonna fight
the inevitability of Donald Trump.
And more importantly, what's happening right now is big bumper cars, big bumpers are being put
on a potential Trump administration.
So a bunch of laws are being passed and a lot of stuff's being put into play
to just kind of like lock in what they have right now with the eventuality,
knowing that they're gonna allow Trump.
And it's not because they like Trump.
I think that they realize that if what happens in 2020, what happened in 2020 happens again,
everyone's gonna lose faith in all of the institutions, all the systems and in the entire regime
and the entire process.
And so they have to kind of like let democracy actually happen and let people get what they want
to reinforce that this is real.
And that's what I believe is gonna happen.
I believe Trump's going to win clearly on election night.
lauren chen
I hope you're right.
I hope Trump frankly is Making deals backstage with the swamp, every establishment politician and bureaucrat there is.
I hope he's shaking all those hands making deals.
But then I hope once he gets into office, he backstabs and betrays every single one of them.
unidentified
Revenge.
alex alx lorusso
Revenge.
lauren chen
The ultimate revenge.
Like they definitely did to him.
So that's my Machiavellian hope for Trump.
alex alx lorusso
Because that was one of his, like, in 2017, that was one of his biggest mistakes is that he had sort of this kind of amnesty towards people that have wronged him in the past.
Like we talk about all the time, he didn't, like, I hope we see dark Trump.
Dark Trump 2024.
Clinton is like, all right, I, you know, it was fun saying you should be in jail, but
you know, we're not going to arrest our political opponents or whatever.
And then he hired like Reince Priebus, all these like establishment people, and then
they all stabbed him in the back.
So to do the same thing in reverse, that would be insane.
lauren chen
I hope we see dark Trump, dark Trump 2024.
tim pool
I want to talk about, go back to what Benny was just saying and start over for a second.
You're saying that you think Donald Trump will win.
It's the deep state plan.
I'm going to ask you to elaborate on it once more.
But before I do, while you were telling us, I went over to chat GPT and I typed in current favorability among independents for Trump is 39% and Biden is 28%.
Assuming this correlates directly to voting and based on the total voter turnout in 2020, calculate the total national electoral vote count for 2024.
It's not science.
It's just, poll the numbers, what do you get?
Yo, it said what you said.
Trump wins by nearly 200 electoral votes based on this estimate.
It's not scientific.
I don't know that this actually matters.
But looking just right now at how independents voted, in 2020 they were favoring Biden, according to the polls.
According to the polls, they're favoring Trump.
ChatGPT just pulls all the total vote counts for each state, makes an estimate based on what the total percentage of people who are independent voters.
It's a range from between 33 and 43 percent.
And then assuming Trump has a 10 percent edge, it calculates what that voter turnout is going to be in each state, and that's the number it gives us.
It varies.
It changes every time you ask.
But I genuinely believe as well that Everything you said, I agree with.
I looked at Mike Johnson supporting Ukraine, Taiwan, Israel, Donald Trump meeting with Mike Johnson, Mike Johnson defending him, and my theory is that with the Israel crisis among Democrats, the youth vote just basically being no to Israel, the Democrats and Republicans unifying on banning TikTok, Then Trump coming out saying I'm the most pro-Israel president and then defending, standing up for Mike Johnson, working with Mike Johnson on this bill.
I'm like, I wouldn't be surprised if the deep state basically went to Trump and said, all right, it's time to compromise.
Let's cut a deal.
And so how, you know, with Joe Biden canceling the military or blocking the military, and I'm like, I think it is being set up right now for a Trump victory.
Matt Walsh was saying last night he thinks Trump wins, but then as soon as he's out, the deep state erases everything he did.
And so it's basically a, you know, give baby his bottle, but then we're going to come in full force after the fact.
benny johnson
Trump was for a new FBI building.
alex alx lorusso
Right?
That's interesting.
benny johnson
You know, I'm a huge Trump fan.
I'm a massive Trump fan.
But this guy wrote The Art of the Deal.
And if you read The Art of the Deal, which of course is sort of Trump in a book, in a single book, it is about doing this style of dealmaking.
And you have to rewind the clock back just a little bit because you have to remember the really good times.
The year was 2018.
There are photos of Dick Durbin and Elizabeth Warren and a bunch of these people in the Oval Office laughing it up with Trump and clapping Trump on the side.
And they were getting along.
They were trying to strike an immigration deal.
They were trying to strike a border deal.
And Trump was wheeling and dealing with them.
This is Donald Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
It's always been one of the ways that he's the best at foreign policy, right?
He can actually negotiate better with foreign leaders.
benny johnson
The guy walked into North Korea.
He walked into North Korea.
I think it was a Photoshop.
There is a photo of him on a skateboard potentially going to North Korea.
alex alx lorusso
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
benny johnson
I don't know.
Maybe we could pull it up.
We could fact check that.
But imagine a world where, and I don't think people put this in perspective, we're at war.
with North Korea.
We are still actively at war with North Korea.
There was never a peace treaty signed.
America is technically at war with North Korea.
So this dictator welcomes the guy who's the president of the country that he's at war with.
The only reason they don't own the entire Korean peninsula is America.
And welcomes him in, claps him on the shoulder.
And you can see Kim Jong-un is like starstruck.
Trump then calls him Thin to troll him in his face.
unidentified
Right?
benny johnson
And laughs in his face.
And he couldn't be having a better time.
Then he meets with Trump like two more times.
This is the nature of the guy.
Make the deal.
Get it done.
Accomplish the mission.
tim pool
I really love... ChatGPT is stupid for a lot of reasons, but now that it has access to the internet, it is speeding up my math in an amazing way.
There was a poll that came out several years ago on sentiment pertaining to Civil War.
benny johnson
Ding the bell!
Ding the bell!
unidentified
Actually, take a shot.
tim pool
So they have this poll where it's by region, there's five regions, and they polled a group of people in each region, and then they separated them by political affiliation, and it was actually quite amazing.
They found in the Midwest, independents overwhelmingly wanted to secede from the Union and create their own Midwestern bloc.
In California, in Oregon, it was Democrats.
In Texas, it was Republicans.
In order to get a national-level sample of this, I had to go through each state, create a spreadsheet, type in the total populations, sample size, and extrapolate all this data.
ChatGPT, you go in and does it for you.
So what I did was, based on those calculations, I said, I asked it, uh, use these figures.
First thing I asked it was, um, what is the percent of voters that are independent?
It says, according to Gallup right now, 40% is the figure of independent voters for the 2024 electorate.
I said, is that the figure you used?
It said, yes.
It broke the numbers down.
And then I said, use those, using these figures, calculate total votes for each state and give me the national electoral count for 2024.
And it literally does.
California 2020 voter turnout, 17.8 million.
Independent voters are 40%, 7.12 million.
Votes for Trump among independents would be 2.78 to Biden's 1.99.
And then it basically goes down and then breaks down how many electoral votes Trump wins in each of these states.
And then it's projecting right now based on the current numbers, 351 for Trump to Biden's 187.
I think it's fair to say we don't know what the actual change is.
You've got the young voters, that's going to change things.
You've got the Israel issues.
You cannot say that 2020's numbers directly correlate to 2024, but I do think it's interesting that it's making these projections based on current polling.
benny johnson
That's a landslide.
That's a 9pm at night, called it, landslide.
Done.
Finished.
tim pool
Yeah, I think.
benny johnson
My view was... What state would be the bellwether there?
What would be the state winning?
What are they talking about?
Minnesota?
They're talking about some random stuff.
tim pool
Minnesota would be huge.
Because they're saying it's Democrat, right?
And they're saying Trump is going to win all of the swing states.
But I tell you, we pulled up... You've covered the Help America Vote Verification story, right?
H-A-V-V?
The SSA.gov story with all the voters who don't have IDs?
benny johnson
Yeah, that's right.
So it's like, that would be the one way to do it.
tim pool
Texas goes blue and Missouri goes blue and your swing states don't matter.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Texas goes blue, they call it for Biden right away.
They say that's it, Trump can't win.
In an upset, surprisingly, Texas, which we knew was trending blue because of transplants from California, actually crossed the threshold.
We're very surprised to see it happen, but that's it.
Your swing states don't matter.
Right now in the polls, the only thing people are tracking are the swing states.
No one considers Texas in play, but when you look at the Social Security Administration website, for some reason, which has not been explained to anyone, no matter how many times people bring it up or ask, how is it that Texas is registering 250,000 voter registrations every two weeks with no IDs?
Now, some have said it's because they're cleaning their voter rolls.
hannah claire brimelow
But didn't one of the states come out and say, no, we're not?
tim pool
Texas said, no, we're not.
This is not true.
We've not tracked this.
They said, we've only added 50,000, not millions.
Then you've got Biden's executive order, which was from 2021, about how any federal agency will issue registrations to people and get them registered to vote for the states at the federal level.
And help produce IDs that would qualify as IDs in those states.
My theory, I should say hypothesis, I don't know the probability, is the federal government is registering tons of people to vote, massive amounts of people.
Who in the federal government and where would this be happening?
I wonder.
And submitting these registrations to the SSA for verification, Texas is unaware, Texas has not registered these voters yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if you get a major bump in registered voters in Texas abruptly in the next couple of months.
And the reason why Texas is saying, we're not seeing this number is because the feds are doing it.
And the feds will then say, we verified, certified, all of these are legit registrations.
Here you go, Texas.
They're good.
And then who are these people?
Where are they coming from?
What's going on?
We don't know.
lauren chen
Well, that's interesting because, I mean, there are reports that I've seen that kind of show America as a whole, it's actually becoming more polarized in that there's always people saying like, oh, well, Texas is becoming blue because of the California transplants.
I've seen studies and polling done that show that actually transplants who are going to the states, who are going to Florida, who are going to Texas and Tennessee, they actually are conservative.
So it's actually we're becoming more polarized that the liberals are staying in California, New York.
And, you know, the few Republicans that are there, they're basically packing up shop and going to where there are like-minded people.
It's actually native-born Texans who are in the cities like Austin and Dallas who are the blue ones.
It's not just the transplants.
So I don't know how that fits into, I guess, the overall shift that Texas is seeing.
But yeah, I mean, I know that for a long time they've been saying like, oh, it's going to be purple because of the transplants.
I think it's going to be purple just because of the urbanites, frankly.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think that is a big factor.
I mean, I think that polarization is something people are experiencing on all levels of governments.
And as, you know, blue states get bluer and red states get redder, you know, inevitably there is a chance we could see the swing state shift over time.
But I think the reality is that most people Look at their state and say, like, well, it doesn't matter if I vote here.
So the biggest factor for me is always looking at, like, who is motivated to turn out for voting.
If you're in Austin and you're like, we're in this terrible red state and we have to go to the polls because it's the only way to do whatever, and you're a Republican in Texas and you're like, but we always go red, so it's fine.
Like, you might actually outnumber them, but you won't if you don't get to the ballot box.
tim pool
I want to clarify real quick, too, because I see someone in the chat saying Missouri is not blue.
I want to clarify.
Help America Vote Verification tracks the amount of people who have attempted to register to vote but do not have IDs.
In Missouri, they are tracking every week around 20 or so thousand attempts at registering from people who don't have IDs.
This could be voter roll cleanup, which would be a misuse of the HAVV system, because the Social Security Administration says the system is only for new voters, and only should be used when new voters attempt to register.
The other big issue is that I believe it was February 17th, Missouri tracked something like 30,000 deceased registration attempts.
Again, this could just be misuse of the system, and they're cleaning their voter rolls.
Probably.
Simple solution, I guess.
I would not be surprised if it did turn out in 2024 in November that the results come in and they say Missouri was an upset and Texas an upset and the pollsters never saw it coming.
And then there's no explanation.
There's no 4 a.m.
vote shift.
It happened.
It's it's it's Oceans 11.
The heist happened two weeks ago.
What you're watching now was was the trick.
hannah claire brimelow
But if Trump does win.
What is the next move for the DNC?
Like, where do they go post-Biden?
lauren chen
Newsom.
He's the only figure in the Democratic Party that I can think of that has any type of nationwide popularity, name recognition.
I mean, I'm really struggling who else.
hannah claire brimelow
I asked because I feel like Biden had basically implied, like, I will be the last old white man for this party.
He had been sort of like, I'm the end of this era and then you'll have, you know,
you know, a more diverse, maybe a bit of color, but there's no one I can think of sort of emerging
as the front man for, I mean, maybe other than Newsom, for the DNC that had fit that description.
lauren chen
It's hard because you have the squad who's very diverse and very progressive,
but they're also pretty polarizing even within their own parties.
There are a lot of Democrats who don't like AOC, who don't like Ayanna Pressley, who don't like Rashida Tlaib, especially with all the Israel stuff going on.
There are a lot of Democrats who are still pro-Israel, so I don't really see them being able to lift any of Those women up so I'm struggling to see aside from Newsom who it is definitely not Kamala Harris.
alex alx lorusso
Jasmine Crockett is the future.
Okay.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay, make that case.
alex alx lorusso
Her clips are hilarious.
Okay, like during the I forgot which one it was.
I think it was the Trump moral.
Oh, yeah, Trump Mar-a-Lago.
She's like Oh yeah, it's in the toilet, in the shitter.
And I'm like, oh my gosh, she is like the future of the Democrat Party.
Just because it encapsulates the level of debate that they're at.
I could see someone like that.
Or, I always joke about this, it's her and Fawny Willis is the dream ticket for the Democrats.
unidentified
Maybe they bring Elizabeth Warren back on the national stage.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't see the appeal though.
She does claim diversity.
alex alx lorusso
I don't see the appeal to her.
She's my senator.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I mean, I think that the... I think this is also true for the MAGA movement.
I do think that there are a lot of really interesting people, but there's not a clear heir apparent to Trump at this point.
lauren chen
Oh, Barron.
unidentified
People are shipping Barron on X. They're writing fanfic of him.
alex alx lorusso
Barron 2040... Barron 2044.
hannah claire brimelow
But before 2044, what are we doing?
tim pool
Benny just sent me, there's a lawsuit filed in 2022 in Arizona, but on March 1st, the DOJ said court finds that Arizona voter registration provisions violate federal law.
benny johnson
Isn't this amazing?
I gotta chill reading this.
I try my hardest not to blackpill.
I'm an optimistic person by nature.
Red pillar or white pillar, but I gotta tell you, I read this straight from our DOJ, so this is the DOJ's.
own website and you can see right here that they are suing they sued and won quickly and won here in the second paragraph the house bill 2492 onerous documentary proof of citizenship requirement for federal elections constitutes a textbook violation of the national voter registration act So this is a quote from our own DOJ suing Arizona, saying that providing a proof of citizenship is a violation.
Wow.
That's crazy.
It's in writing.
tim pool
Now hold on there a minute, because March 1st, 2024, court finds that Arizona voter registration provisions violate federal law.
There it is.
Yo, the court previously ruled that Arizona may not require documentary proof citizenship to vote in a federal election.
hannah claire brimelow
Violates the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Do you see that in quotes?
lauren chen
That's ridiculous.
But this is what's so frustrating.
benny johnson
So asking if you're a U.S.
citizen to vote is now...
unidentified
It's a violation of our civil rights to ask for your assistance here.
benny johnson
Look at this!
tim pool
The U.S.
District Court for the District of Arizona struck down an Arizona requirement that individuals seeking to register to vote must list their birthplace as a prerequisite to registering to vote.
The court ruled that the birthplace requirement of House Bill 2492 violated a federal law that prevents election officials from rejecting voting materials for errors or omissions that are not material to determining a registrant's qualifications to vote.
The court previously ruled that Arizona may not require documentary proof citizenship to vote in a federal election.
unidentified
What?! !
hannah claire brimelow
I just want to put it out there.
tim pool
It's in writing.
lauren chen
Other countries don't have this problem.
In America now, the political climate has been, it's controversial to ask for ID.
It's controversial to make sure someone's a citizen.
Other countries don't do this.
Other countries, even third world countries, you show ID, you show that you're eligible to vote, they count the votes that night, maybe the day after, and you're done, right?
America is basically becoming a joke.
It's crazy that we have to pretend like, oh yeah, this is normal.
This is how elections always are.
This is the way democracy works.
hannah claire brimelow
We're leading democracy around the world, but we can't tell you if this person is here as a citizen who's partaking in this election.
tim pool
Did we miss the story?
This is March 1st that this ruling came down that not only you cannot require a claim of citizenship, but you can't even ask them where they're from.
It would seem that what happened was Arizona says, you've got to be a citizen to register.
And the feds were like, no, you don't.
And they said, okay, well, then where are you from?
Not you can't ask that either.
It really does seem and Tucker Carlson pointed this out.
Now we're looking at the HAVV story from these weird numbers that are popping up.
Kind of feels like they're gearing up to have non citizens vote.
lauren chen
Yeah.
I mean, in places like New York, and I think in Boston, there are already areas where not with a federal election or anything like that, but there are already local elections where they are allowing non-citizens to vote.
So they're already starting to introduce that into the Overton window.
So next few years, absolutely, it's going to be an issue on the national level.
benny johnson
It's like the globalist dream, right?
There's no nations.
There's no borders.
Your nationality doesn't matter.
It's kind of where you live.
lauren chen
Everyone's a global citizen.
benny johnson
We're in control of the world, so borders are irrelevant.
hannah claire brimelow
And Arizona's not allowed to do anything to protect its own election integrity, right?
That's what they're saying.
You have to abide by our rules no matter how it affects your state.
benny johnson
The DOJ is fighting them.
They fought them tooth and nail on this.
And they spent, who knows, untold millions, hundreds of millions of taxpayer resources to go fight them to allow the pathway for non-citizens to vote.
tim pool
This is unconstitutional.
Elections, according to the Constitution, are to be determined by the state legislation of each state.
Them using the Civil Rights Act to intervene in state elections is insane.
lauren chen
But I mean, there is a legal precedent for this to be done on the federal level.
Well, I mean, what about a poll tax?
States don't have—we've established they don't have the right to have a poll tax or a literacy test.
So this isn't the first time the federal government has stepped in and said, no, the, I guess, restrictions you're placing are too onerous and you're denying someone's right to vote.
So there's actually pretty good precedent for the federal government to do this.
tim pool
So how did the poll tax work?
Like, it cost money?
Is that what it was?
lauren chen
Yeah.
Yeah, it cost money to vote.
tim pool
Yeah, let's bring that back.
lauren chen
Yes, I agree.
I got kind of heat on Twitter because there was this, I think it was Slate or something, it was a while ago, they posted one of the literacy tests that used to be given before you vote.
And my take was basically, you should be able to do this.
Like, I'm sorry, there's no reason I can think of where you should have a sane government would not be able to do this.
And I had all these people actually know this could be vague, this is impossible.
I'll just say it, I'm not against a literacy test to be able to vote.
I feel like if you're deciding, if you have any say in government, you should be able to read.
Yeah.
tim pool
So I think the issue with the, uh, the literacy tests was that they were intentionally confusing trick questions.
So I pulled it up.
Literacy, this test to be given to anyone who cannot provide, prove a fifth grade education.
So if you can't prove a fifth grade education, that's extremely easy to do for basically everybody.
Draw a line around the number or letter of this sentence.
I'm assuming the one, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Draw a line under the last word in this line, which would be line.
Cross out the longest word in this line, which would be longest.
Draw a line around the shortest word in this line, I'm assuming that would be a?
hannah claire brimelow
These seem kind of fun.
Yeah, I know, right?
unidentified
It's like, can they getcha?
lauren chen
But yeah, the issue was sometimes, at least according to what people were saying online, I don't know if this was true or not, there was no official answer key.
It was based on whatever the The person grading it felt like.
tim pool
Circle I can already see Kamala Harris not I know Circle the first first letter of the alphabet in this line
So that's the a in alphabet right or that I'm nice Yeah, it's the a enough the first first letter of the
alphabet in this line In the space below draw three circles one inside engulfed
by the other Okay
Above the letter X make a small cross. This is really funny draw a line through the letter below that comes earliest in
the alphabet This reminds me of like Trump taking that cognitive test
I gotta be honest.
Draw a giraffe.
benny johnson
I drew a giraffe.
It was a beautiful giraffe.
tim pool
But everyone says that it's a really, really easy, simple thing.
But I will say, and I've got a good memory, they do a thing early in the test where they'll be like, giraffe, airplane, car, pencil.
Repeat those after me.
You do.
And then 20 minutes later they go, what were the four words I said at the beginning of this test?
And you're like, oh wow, giraffe, airplane, pencil, what did I say?
And you have to get four out of four, or can you do, like, cause I know... Well, you don't fail if you miss one, but it's like, that's actually, like, wow.
If you are told, remember these words, don't forget, you will.
But they don't do that.
They say the words and then later on say, okay, now what were those words again?
And if you didn't know, you needed to know them, you might just be like, I don't care about that.
lauren chen
I'm really bad with that.
Anytime there's a movie and like there's someone on a phone call and they're rattling off important information, I'm always thinking if that were me, I would be so dead because I would not remember.
I would not have been paying attention.
I would have forgotten immediately.
hannah claire brimelow
Like this should be an email.
lauren chen
Yeah, basically like write this down, send a text.
tim pool
You know, it's wild to me that there's a consistent effort from Democrats to make it easier and easier and easier to vote.
Because, like, it shouldn't be easy to vote.
lauren chen
Well, there's a TikTok that's going around where there's this leftist saying he believes that even felons who are currently in prison, so like no one reformed, but currently serving in prison, you should be able to vote.
And the reason why he said that is because having it be the case where you cannot vote if you're in prison disproportionately affects people of color, and therefore that's unjust.
It's racist.
And it's like, but that's the mentality that they have.
It's the outcome that matters, and anything that leads to an unequal outcome is not good.
So therefore, equality of outcomes at all costs, even if it means you have people who are currently in prison being able to decide things that might affect, like, penalties for criminals.
hannah claire brimelow
There was a similar lawsuit in North Carolina because they were basically challenging the rules regarding felons getting their voting rights restored.
You know, different states have slightly different policies, but for the most part, you know, you have to be out of jail and then for some states you have to complete your probation.
Sometimes you have to like pay off the fines or whatever.
And two of the organizations that sort of work on this with formerly incarcerated people were like, you're making us spend too much money doing this.
Like people don't get it and don't know about it.
And so therefore you should just get rid of it.
And I was like, I don't think that's the point here.
tim pool
I love question number 20 on the Literature Test.
Spelled backwards, forwards.
unidentified
Why just spell the word?
tim pool
I love it.
benny johnson
That's just backwards.
tim pool
Was it?
benny johnson
Backwards.
tim pool
You literally just spelled the word backwards?
benny johnson
Yeah.
tim pool
Because forwards is unnecessary in that sentence.
alex alx lorusso
I definitely want to see Kamala take this.
lauren chen
People were tripped up by the comma.
So spell backwards, forwards.
Some people were like, oh, you're actually supposed to spell forwards backwards.
But if you look at where the comma placement is, that doesn't make sense.
Right?
If you were to like switch out the words that they're asking you to spell.
tim pool
If it was supposed to be that you'd spell the word forwards, but in reverse, there would be no comma at all.
lauren chen
Exactly, yeah.
But nowadays we'd probably put quotations around what you're supposed to for clarity, so I agree it's not the clearest, but it is still correct.
tim pool
Question 15.
They have quotations around the word they want you to spell.
In the space below, write the word noise backwards, and place a dot over what would be its second letter, should it have been written forward.
Amazing.
hannah claire brimelow
Look, maybe we should have more people taking these into all kinds of circumstances.
Maybe McDonald's should bring this back.
Maybe people should have to do stuff like that so we know that our education system is working because I don't really think it is.
tim pool
Look at 21.
Print the word vote upside down but in the correct order.
That's hilarious.
lauren chen
I mean, I don't have a problem with tests like this.
Even if we say, okay, this is too ambiguous.
Let's make it less ambiguous.
Fine.
I don't think the goal should be to trick people.
But if it's to ascertain, you know, are you literate?
Do you have at least a certain level of like comprehension of what's going on?
unidentified
I don't think that's a bad thing.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, let's jump to this.
We have actually some big news that we've been waiting to get to.
This is from the Postmillennial.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott pardons Daniel Perry after conviction for shooting armed agitator during BLM riots.
I want to clarify many things.
One, Greg Abbott did the right thing.
The circumstances around this, first, I think it is sad when anyone dies.
I think it is sad when conflicts arise, these circumstances.
But understand, Daniel Perry was in his car.
He was armed.
You're allowed to be.
They have stand your ground laws.
When a mob of far leftists were making their way towards his car, one of the individuals was armed with an AK-47.
I believe it was an AK.
And he had it at low ready and in a semi-raised position as he approached the vehicle of this man.
In the street with a large group known to have been riding at the time with news reports all across the country of people who had been shot and some who had been killed.
It is unfortunate this man died.
I hear he was more of like a libertarian guy, and he was, you know, there were a lot of people who were marching with Black Lives Matter who weren't necessarily leftists or whatever, so it's sad, but the idea that you would put Daniel Perry in prison for fearing for his life because a guy with a rifle at low red, he was approaching his car with a mob of people who had been rioting across the country, it's insane.
So shout out to Greg Abbott for this pardon, it was the right move.
I can't believe he got convicted in the first place.
benny johnson
Austin.
tim pool
Yeah.
benny johnson
Austin.
George Soros prosecutor.
tim pool
And how many people were telling us, you gotta go to Austin, man.
You gotta go.
That's where everyone's moving.
They're leaving California.
They're going to Austin.
I was like, I'm not going to Austin.
Are you nuts?
lauren chen
Okay, I'm sorry.
Austin is a terrible place.
I'm sorry.
I was just there.
I was talking about this in the car.
My daughter and I were eating breakfast at a patio.
With the hotel that we're at, three different homeless people within the span of our meal come to yell at us.
It's not a nice place.
Apparently, Savannah and I are saying it's better than it used to be.
unidentified
It's been cleaned up, which is even more... You're like, if this is clean, I don't like it at all.
lauren chen
Exactly!
unidentified
It's terrible.
lauren chen
If you're in Austin, you don't have to live like that.
There are places where there aren't just crazy, drugged-out homeless people everywhere.
Don't come to Nashville, though.
We're filled.
There are other places for you to go.
hannah claire brimelow
I've always loved Dallas.
I mean, it's where I lived for a little while and I think it's great.
The thing is, Texas does have this sort of island in the middle that is very different but also calls the shots in a lot of ways.
I mean, especially when it comes... I remember with a lot of the people who would come to claim asylum or file for immigration stuff, they would file specifically in the Austin district so they would get a more sympathetic judge no matter where they actually were.
I mean, It's sort of Texas's big vulnerability if they want to stay conservative.
unidentified
Right.
lauren chen
And I mean, I grew up in Asia.
I've lived in third world countries, traveled to a lot of them.
There are many third world countries I would rather be than Austin, Texas.
Like, I'm sorry, but it's just it frustrates me how people, you know, in some of these cities, they almost have Stockholm syndrome.
They try to justify, oh, it's like that everywhere.
It's normal.
It's not that bad.
It's not normal.
It's not like that everywhere.
benny johnson
It is that bad.
Look what happens when a communist dictator goes to San Francisco.
Right, you can clean it up over there!
They would never dare let Xi Jinping see what San Francisco actually is because what San Francisco actually is because
we were just there is a place that not only not only did our car get robbed the within 30 minutes of being there
But also when like we went and got in San Francisco like a like in and out and I'm not trying to be too grotesque here
But you get in and out burger you walk outside and there is a man
Just taking crap in the middle of street. Oh, yeah, but and and you want to talk about losing your appetite
You're just like I can't eat this. How do you live like this? How do people look like this?
tim pool
I mean understand, you know, she should pings coming to San Francisco if
You were about to meet your childhood hero. Wouldn't you want to clean up your house?
You know, so Pelosi's like Oh, it's she, he's coming, he's coming!
benny johnson
There's a press conference where Gavin Newsom said that exact same thing.
He says, we're cleaning up for our guests.
This is the exact line that Gavin Newsom used.
tim pool
I'll take it one step further.
I think Gavin Newsom is like, my hero, the communist dictator is about to arrive.
Clean up, let's make it look good.
unidentified
We can clean up for our communist guests, but we will not clean up for our citizens.
hannah claire brimelow
We don't care about them.
benny johnson
Which is at its basis immoral, because those are the people that are paying the taxes.
Those are the people, you know, every, I think every Every urban area or every city at all has to make a choice.
You must make a choice.
Your choice is who do your parks belong to?
Do your parks belong to mothers and children who can play in them safely and without needles and without piss-smelling bums to creep on you and steal from you?
Because there's only one choice.
The parks either belong to the bums and the criminals, and the degenerates, or they belong to the children.
And you should live in places, this should be, if you're looking for a new city, this is what my wife and I just did actually, if you're looking for a new city, a couple years ago when we moved from DC to Tampa, because all the parks in DC, we just had our first child, all the parks in DC Uh, had been turned over to criminals and drug users.
And they were really nice, beautiful parks, and suddenly everywhere was a homeless person sleeping and or living on the park.
And we're like, this is, the city has made a choice to prioritize the criminals instead of the families and instead of the people, the producers in society.
hannah claire brimelow
And then they act like they don't understand where the crime rate goes up.
benny johnson
That's exactly right.
lauren chen
It's crazy, because around 10 years ago, it's almost like in these big cities, D.C., Austin, San Francisco, it's like a decision was made that actually the worst thing anyone could do is be mean to a homeless person and tell them to take a hike.
That is just unthinkable.
Therefore, feces in the streets, needles on the streets, overdosing everywhere, because compassion.
hannah claire brimelow
We can't be mean to the differently housed.
lauren chen
Right.
tim pool
Have you guys ever seen that video from when they were going to ban drinking and driving for the first time?
And you've got people being interviewed and they're like, are you nuts so now I can't enjoy a beer after work while I'm driving home?
So I see this video, and as a younger person growing up decades after that law passed, I'm just like, wow, that's how it used to be, huh?
I imagine, Benny, your kids, you're going to be talking to them when they're like 18 or 20, and you'll be like, here's a photo of a park.
And they'll go, a park?
And you'll be like, we used to have these places where in cities it was green and there were trees and you could play frisbee.
And they're like, you mean like where all the homeless people are taking craps in the camps?
And you're like, yeah, it used to be like a place for families.
alex alx lorusso
They'll go, weird.
benny johnson
Yeah, so in Tampa, if you're homeless, don't move to Tampa.
I'm on my drive to work in the morning.
I'm on my drive to the studio in the morning.
You'll see the occasional bum.
It's Florida.
It's a nice climate.
It's nice weather.
It's sunny a lot.
And you'll see the occasional bum.
Better take a photo because in five minutes, they'll be gone.
And cops will come and get them.
Clean them up.
Be like, the park isn't for you.
This bench isn't for you to piss on and crap on.
It's for families.
It's for children.
It's for taxpayers.
It's for citizens who are abiding by the rules here.
tim pool
Did you see the viral video of a homeless man sleeping in the doorway of a restaurant and they come and splash water on him?
And it was this debate on X. Were they right or were they wrong?
And it's an interesting debate.
This guy is effectively trespassing.
The police won't do anything about it.
I don't think a splash of water is the apocalypse for somebody, but it is a serious challenge, and you're gonna get arrested.
You got a homeless guy sleeping and blocking your door, and he won't move, and the cops won't come, so you're like, I will splash him with water.
Don't be surprised when the cops show up and are like, sir, you assaulted somebody.
That's bad.
You're under arrest.
lauren chen
Yeah, and it's hard because obviously you want to weigh compassion.
And I think, yes, it's the hardest thing in the world, or one of them, I would imagine, to have nowhere to go, like nowhere to sleep.
You have all your belongings with you, I'm not denying it.
But at the same time, like, it's not popular say now, but it's like, It's also not great to be around homeless people.
Like, let's be real.
There are externalities with the homeless issue that extend beyond the homeless people themselves.
You don't want to be the person who has a homeless person sleeping on their front step or in front of their business.
You don't want to be the person who gets mugged or gets assaulted, like Ana Kasparian did, by these homeless people, right?
It's not just the homeless people and their comfort.
It's everyone else's comfort, too.
And I feel like we've forgotten about that.
It's not perceived as tolerant to say, like, our lifestyle matters, too.
tim pool
It's unhoused now?
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like, what?
Who cares?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, home is where the heart is.
So, you know, they're fine.
tim pool
I don't care if they made up a word for it.
I don't care if they called them carless.
lauren chen
It's because it's passive.
Unhoused is passive.
That means like, it makes it seem like it's almost like our fault that we haven't housed them.
Someone needs to house them.
It's just a thing that happened to them.
Homelessness applies ownership of the house.
tim pool
Well, the argument the left made was that a home—you were saying a home was one of the hardest—they initially argued that people's homes come in all different shapes and sizes, and homeless people who live in tents under bridges have homes with family and friends, so it's not right.
What they don't have is a house, which is a specific thing, so they're unhoused people.
And I'm like, yep, they're homeless.
It's a word to describe a thing.
Thank you and have a nice day.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it takes you five minutes to explain it, probably.
lauren chen
But it's the, what's it called?
The treadmill of different terms, because homeless was actually the nice PC thing to call them instead of a hobo, right?
Or a bum.
tim pool
I gotta correct you there.
Hobo meant homeward bound.
unidentified
And so it's like the difference between vagrant to there's the yeah, these are all different. So
tim pool
there's vagabond vagrants, bums, hobo. Hobos were people who were leaving a region and traveling
home after a job had ended. And so you'd see them sitting around, they're dirty, they're carrying
their belongings, but they were leaving hobo, homeward bound. Bums were people who were not
working, homeless.
Then there's like vagrants.
These were criminals who were doing, committing, having, you know, crimes.
And then vagabonds were travelers who milled about and just did random things.
You'd see them one day, you didn't see them the next.
So there you go.
lauren chen
There he goes.
tim pool
Now you know about your homeless.
And this may be of interest to many of you, surprising information.
There is a language, an alphabet of symbols used by vagrants and vagabonds.
providing them with information about where they are and what to expect so for people who travel the country vagabonds basically rail hoppers you'll you'll be like walking in an area that's like in the middle of nowhere and you'll see a sign where someone draws a symbol and these people know what the symbols represent but nobody else and it'll it'll mean things like there are hunters here and it's private property and you're in trouble they'll put signs near train tracks where it'll be like We've never in that it'll be like a circle with like devil horns and you know like a smile and that means train conductors here typically don't care if you hop their trains things like that there's there's some symbols where it's like the house the next house you see on your path typically gives people food crazy
benny johnson
So this proves something that I think is really important, because if you see the corollary between shutting down all of the mental asylums, and the prison population, and the homeless population, there is a perfect inversion, where in the 1970s, our boomer parents went and saw One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, and started crying tears for Jack Nicholson in that fake movie, and sided with Jack Nicholson instead of Nurse Ratched, who's the hero of the movie, much like Much like Corn Pops, the hero of the story was Joe Biden.
Corn Pops was just trying to save the kids from, you know, feeling the hairy legs.
And they sided with that and then there was this big movement, this is how stupid people are, there's a big movement to shut down the asylums.
And without asking a question, why were the asylums there in the first place?
Because you have to deal with an unhealthy and uncomfortable reality that some people don't want to be housed, some people don't want to live in society, some people have deep abiding psychological issues that belong in straitjackets, some people have demonic possession.
And these people, who are either possessed by demons or possessed by something that messed up their brain, they will not subscribe to society.
And so eventually, if pushed enough and allowed to go far enough, they will take a syringe and they will stab your kid as you're walking down the street.
And then it'll be your fault for living amongst an area that allows that to fester, instead of dealing with the realities like the state of Florida does, dealing with the realities that these people have decided to not be part of society.
tim pool
We were talking about this on Tales from the Inverted World Sunday, the new show with Shane Cashman.
If you like ghost stories, subscribe on YouTube.
There was a story I read on Reddit where a woman said that her sister had always been severely mentally impaired.
Her whole life in a wheelchair, drooling, unable to move.
And then she said a couple times in her life when she was alone with her sister, her sister abruptly became fully lucid and went, help me please, I'm trapped in here, I'm trapped!
And I'm like, dude, I think people can be possessed.
I think like a demon has held that woman down.
But I worked in the homeless nonprofit sector.
I worked for homeless shelters.
And you want to know a secret about these places?
They're empty.
They're typically empty.
You know why?
Homeless people don't want to be in them.
So one of the issues I had with one of these shelters was they were fundraising off the notion that they were struggling in at capacity and needed your donations.
And I believe everything they told us was true.
And then one day, I was checking out one of the shelters and it was dead empty.
And I was like, oh, we're empty now.
And they were like, we're always empty, what do you mean?
And I was like, what do you mean we're always empty?
I was like, they're doing marketing based on the fact that we're full.
And they were like, oh, come on.
You know homeless people don't want to be here?
And I was like, are you kidding me?
I'm not gonna go lie to people.
And they were like, look, what we do with the money is we pull up with vans, we give them blankets and water, and we tell them where to find us.
All we can do is offer the space.
They won't take it.
You know why they won't take it?
Because once you go in that shelter, the shelter's in charge.
That's it.
And these people, guess what?
You know what I was told by the people who worked on this?
There's one big reason why they don't want to come to the shelter.
Can you take a guess what that is?
unidentified
Drugs.
tim pool
Drugs.
They want to do drugs and they can't when they're in the shelter.
They can when they're under a bridge.
alex alx lorusso
That's how California can spend like 24 billion or whatever on homelessness and then, you know, no one knows where it went.
tim pool
And isn't the song Under the Bridge literally about doing drugs and that's where they do them?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, in the needle programs in California, San Francisco specifically, you know, they'll say it as like, well, this way we're not spreading disease.
And also we know where this population is and we can offer them services.
We can, you know, I was listening to this interview where they're like in a camp recording this like poor worker who has to be like, here's your needle.
Do you want to try going to rehab?
And the guy's like, no.
tim pool
And I want to clarify real quick.
Someone said it's empty in the day, full at night, dummy.
I worked at a shelter and we would go there at night.
They said they don't stay.
At night, that's when no one wants to be there.
During the day, they might show up and say, can I have some free stuff?
At night, it's when they're like, I'm getting out of here.
Dude, it was infuriating learning that people...
What bothers me the most is the assumption that homeless people are people who have fallen on hard times, and with a little bit of help, we'll get right back to it.
What, maybe half a percent, 1% of homeless people are, I met a guy once, Chicago.
Older black guy, I asked him why he was homeless.
I was like, do you mind?
I had pizza leftover, and I said, hey man, you want some pizza?
He's like, yeah, thanks, brother man.
And then I asked him, if you don't mind, how did you get homeless?
This guy was lucid.
Reasonable.
And he said that he worked at the post office for a really long time.
He got old.
His friends and family, everybody had passed on.
He's mostly by himself.
He's lost touch with everybody.
He had a sister.
He doesn't know where she is.
And then when he got laid off from his job, he has nowhere to go.
He starts getting unemployment.
Unemployment runs out.
Then he can't pay rent.
Then his rent lapses.
Then they kick him out and he couldn't find another job.
He's like, look, man, it's like I worked at the post office for like 16 years.
I can tell you how to work the post office.
I can't work anywhere else.
I try to get a job, but they don't want to hire me, and eventually I just find myself living outside.
Extremely rare.
But that's what they tell you in the movies.
The other homeless people I'd bump into would be the guy with a pocket knife holding a bottle of
wine that he stole from some liquor store and he's stabbing the cork with it going,
unidentified
I was a bad bad bad. Ba ba da da ba ba. And then he'd look at you and go,
tim pool
I'm a bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad. I'm not kidding.
That actually happened.
And you're like, stay away from that guy.
Stay away.
He's not lucid.
lauren chen
So the question is, what do we do?
What do we do about the homeless population?
Because obviously we've looked at places like Portland and Vancouver.
They've tried decriminalizing everything.
It's actually the criminalization of these behaviors.
That's what's bad for homeless people.
It hasn't worked.
It hasn't stopped it.
It's gotten much worse.
We see people overdosing on the streets.
So what do we do?
I mean, Anna Kasparian, she was catching flack for suggesting that actually if someone is mentally incompetent or they are refusing treatment, you make them go.
I mean, what are your thoughts?
Is that like violating individual liberty to not allow someone to be a crazy homeless crack addict?
benny johnson
You're not allowed to harm other people.
Right.
lauren chen
So how far do we extend that externality of harm?
benny johnson
Yeah.
So we went to Kensington in Philadelphia, and if there's anybody watching from the Philadelphia area or aware, this is an entire zombie city, and it's right in the shadow of downtown Philadelphia.
And you can just find people that are literal zombies walking around, just like World War Z.
And they're all drug users.
They all sleep either in their cars or on the street, typically just right on the sidewalk.
And there's clinics.
There's clinics everywhere.
And the city pays to go give these people drugs.
They pay to give them drugs, and then they pay to give them help.
And you can't perpetuate that cycle.
If you perpetuate that cycle, then not only are you going to create more zombies, right?
Think about it as a zombie war.
You're going to create more zombies, but also you're going to tell people this is okay.
And you need to live inside of an area, choose to live inside of an area where people say, that's not okay.
The park is for my children.
The park is not for you.
I am the tax paying citizen.
That's the park that I paid for.
It's not for you.
tim pool
Did you see California spending, was it 5 million and giving alcohol to homeless alcoholics?
benny johnson
Yeah, that's right.
So you perpetuate the cycle instead of breaking it, and this is a breakdown in morality.
Listen, man, if you read the Gospels, I'm a Christian, if you read the Gospels, and you just read the four Gospels of Christ, every chapter There's a demon that's being exercised.
Every chapter there's somebody who's twisted and bent up and like living like a homeless person, sometimes in the hills, sometimes in the graveyards, and it's demonic activity.
I'm not saying that accounts for all of it, but I'm saying that's one thing that we never taught, it's never spoken about in our secular age.
Every other generation, every other group, every other civilization, From back through recorded history, has thought that there is a spiritual element to all of this, and that there's spiritual health as well as physical health.
But for some reason, we drop the atom bomb, and then in our secular world, the world goes completely secular, and then we never speak about spirituality again.
And there's also a spiritual component to all of this.
And I believe that demonic possession and spiritual health has a lot to do with this.
tim pool
So I've got this story that I literally just pulled up because we're going to go with this.
Salon.
They're a lefty publication.
They wrote in October, why are exorcisms on the rise?
Look, I don't know.
There's a lot of stuff I don't know.
I don't know about being dead or the other side of the veil or whatever.
I see people and I can't explain their actions through logic.
There are evil people out there that you're just wondering, what is this?
And I'm sure that your, you know, atheists could say something like, oh, it's some people have chemical imbalances that make them not function properly.
And I'm like, but there are people who are seemingly normal that, like, One day we'll turn evil.
I've experienced this.
People that I knew that were good, normal, compassionate people, and then one day, seemingly became evil.
And I'm like, possession?
Demonic possession?
Whatever that means?
And I think, you know, for a lot of people who are atheists, Because I'm not even saying people who are not Christian, but there are a lot of people who are atheists who would just try to explain it as like, oh, they had a chemical imbalance or something.
And I'm like, saying someone is possessed does not literally mean you believe in the Bible and you're a Christian.
It's just saying that we don't understand that perhaps there are forces beyond our comprehension that are influencing and manipulating people.
I like to think so.
benny johnson
Yeah, well, okay, to bring this all full circle, we started talking about the Trump trial to begin this live.
Stormy Daniels up on the Trump trial saying, Yeah.
Demons possessed my husband, and he was completely possessed.
This is what she's saying.
tim pool
She literally said that?
benny johnson
She said that.
alex alx lorusso
Yes, she did.
benny johnson
She said that.
And she says that now she speaks with demons, and she talks with the spiritual realm.
You can see her newest tattoos.
She has a bathrobe on that, and an iconography of the demon world up and down her arm.
and pentagrams and yeah you know you have to ask yourself in this trial like are you wait wait for real like in the trial she testified recently that her husband is possessed or was possessed we can easily bring it up i'm trying to google it what do i search for i'm gonna easily bring it up alexa gotcha we covered this on the show Oh yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Paranormal possum?
I don't know.
What is this?
Tell me what to pull.
This is amazing.
alex alx lorusso
So she said that the possum part was, she said it was her house was haunted or whatever, and it ended up being a possum living under it, but there is something separate where she said that her ex-boyfriend was possessed.
benny johnson
Spirits inhabited my boyfriend.
alex alx lorusso
Type in talking to spirits.
Daily Mail.
Stormy Daniels.
benny johnson
So, you know.
tim pool
What is it?
Talking to spirits?
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Town Hall has something on it, too.
And then there's a Fox News article from 2023 that says, uh, Stormy Daniels tried to summon spirits, uh, with magic cards during interview.
My eyes were filled with tears.
So this is a pattern for her.
benny johnson
Yes.
hannah claire brimelow
She's been on this one for a minute.
benny johnson
Yes.
hannah claire brimelow
It's wild.
Well, and I remember when Target... Well, Tim's trying to find this.
tim pool
I remember when the Target... Yeah, I want to find Stormy Daniels' ex-boyfriend possessed.
Is that what it is?
alex alx lorusso
Let me try and get the exact quote.
benny johnson
It's that, um...
tim pool
Because I see there's like a YouTube video.
benny johnson
There's a clip.
tim pool
Here we go.
benny johnson
I think we got post-millennial.
tim pool
Here we go.
lisa rubin
I love viewers all the time, Chris and Andrea.
I sat through two E. Jean Carroll trials and two cross-examinations of E. Jean Carroll, and I have to tell you, I agree with Sue wholeheartedly.
This was very much what I'd call a nuts and sluts defense.
There was a portion of the cross-examination where Susan Necklace was focused on the fact that Stormy Daniels now claims that she is a medium and that she communicates with dead people and has participated in a tv tv series about the paranormal where she explores things including the fact that at one point an ex-boyfriend of hers was inhabited by spirits she was mocking stormy daniels she wants the jury to think stormy daniels is a liar and she is crazy and she also wants the jury to judge her
For her occupation, and Stormy Daniels gave no ground on that.
As Sue just said, she might be an exotic dancer, an adult film actor, but she was very clear when Susan Necklace used the phrase, selling yourself, to describe what Stormy Daniels was doing on a tour where she was making appearances at clubs.
Stormy Daniels set her straight.
I was not selling myself.
I was dancing.
The implication always was, I am not a sex worker, and I don't have a sign around my neck that says, consent given freely to everyone at any time.
tim pool
Okay.
benny johnson
So they get it.
tim pool
Nuts and sluts.
benny johnson
Jesus.
Uh, my boyfriend was inhabited by spirits as a way to say demonic possession.
tim pool
Yeah.
benny johnson
All right.
And that's the dark, that's the dark arts.
You actually welcome that kind of stuff into your life.
tim pool
And now here she is lying.
Bill Maher proving she's lying.
I mean, that was wild.
lauren chen
Yeah, that clip was crazy.
benny johnson
Liars.
hannah claire brimelow
And this was one of the things they talked about afterwards was that she was always a really risky person to pull for the witness stand because, you know, they're saying, oh, well, they're trying to make her look crazy, the jury.
But what if the jury is like, you summoned a demon?
Like the jury looks at this and is like, this is a dark person and I don't trust her.
benny johnson
There's only one huge winner in all of this, which is Donald Trump, who's been calling this a witch hunt for a very long time.
unidentified
And now he found a witch.
tim pool
You know, what's really funny is that in the podcasting world, especially in the past several years with Joe Rogan, the subject of DMT is massively popular.
It pops up here and then, but it was like there was this period where everybody wanted to know because the idea was that people who have taken DMT have broken through the veil, as they call it, and seen something.
And one of the things people talk about is, you see demons.
And that the people who don't understand what they're seeing think they're just talking to the machine elves, the entities.
But many people say that these are demons offering deals and they're trying to manipulate you into doing things that they want you to do.
So when you see things like this and you're like, what happened to Stormy Daniels that she decided to be evil?
Because her story's not true.
Bill Maher proved she was lying.
So why go on the stand and be evil?
Because I'll tell you what I find.
I find with many people on the right, they are unwilling to lie to win.
Not all of them.
There are a lot of evil people on the right.
Don't get me wrong.
But it's a tendency.
On the left, you have Michael Cohen and Stormy Daniels.
Unquestionable.
You have the prosecutors in the case.
You've got Bragg.
You've got the documents case against Trump.
You've got everyone on MSNBC.
All they do all day.
Like, look at Jen Psaki's book where she's like, Joe Biden didn't look at his watch.
alex alx lorusso
That was insane.
Right, right, right, and it's like- The dignified transfer.
tim pool
Yeah, we watched him do it, and then she gets caught and goes, oops.
She's saying, don't trust the misinformation distributors, trust me, and she's literally lying.
She's evil.
What happened to so many people where they literally said, scruples be damned, I will loot, pillage, and burn, and take whatever I want, and do any amoral thing.
It's insane to me.
lauren chen
Well, they believe the ends justify the means, and they have actually convinced themselves that Trump is so evil, so terrible, that some little white lies in order to make sure he doesn't come into power again, of course they're justified.
But that's basically the entire story of leftists throughout history, is that the ends justify the means.
No matter how many people have to starve, have to kill, you have to kill, you have to rob them of their property, as long as it leads to the utopia or the outcome they want, it's all justified.
tim pool
Demons got it.
lauren chen
Yeah, basically.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, how many times do we hear, like, Trump must be stopped?
That phrase, must be stopped, is a commitment to stopping him at any cost, and there's no moral cost.
I do think that with conservatives, especially religious conservatives, the concept of the truth as it relates to Christianity is something that they kind of hold to a higher standard than, you know, Maybe a secular progressive who's like, but I have to get the thing that I want.
And in this case, I'm part of the hive mind and I want this person to not be elected.
It allows for like guiltless lying.
And even though you pay for it with your soul later, you know, it's worth it now because there's only the here and now to someone who doesn't have anything else in their life.
alex alx lorusso
Yeah.
They have no morals.
unidentified
Right.
alex alx lorusso
So they're throwing it out the window.
benny johnson
Yeah.
Find out.
Go find out.
you know, find out like all your ancestors. Find out. Find out if there's something after the here
and now. And I'm telling you what, like, you know, if you're an atheist, then, you know,
we'll never know. But if I'm right, then you'll know. And if you're on the side of the demons,
if you're on the side, let's take these Trump trials as just like a small microcosm. Are you
on the side of the demons here? Are you on the side of the people that are inhabited by spirits?
Like that's the side you've chosen. The known liars and the Bible says that the native tongue
of Satan is lying. So be very cautious about liars, people that are just lying to you about anything.
So, Michael Cohen is a known, proven liar, went to jail for it.
And then the people who are inhabited by spirits, or the people who, like, do the dark arts.
Is that the side you're actually taking?
And, you know, what's weird is that there's a lot of Christians that would be like, oh, Trump's bad, actually.
I don't like his style.
He's not.
He's not great.
I don't like the way that he talks.
But, okay, you're going to have to explain to me, like, how you're in league with Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen, then.
Like, how you can justify that.
tim pool
And Stormy Daniels talks worse.
So I was, when we were on, I was on with Shane on the Inverted World show, Inverted World Live on YouTube, subscribe.
And it was half in jest, but sort of, I said, I can prove mathematically and scientifically that the woke left is evil.
And I went into this long rant about, you know, life in the universe and stuff, but the simple version is when you're looking at the planets, the stars, when you look at the basic forms of life, the most rudimentary self-replicating proteins, single-celled organisms, multicellular organisms, what life does is organizes free energy into complex systems.
It continues to make more of itself.
It takes this chaos and creates order from it.
And that's life.
Life does this.
It is the one thing we can see life doing.
So when you look at the left and massive campaigns of destroying life, that is the anti-life, that is the antithesis of what life does.
It is a function against our very being.
So you can argue whether it's figuratively or literally not evil.
My point is simply, If the function of life, and we here as humans, is creating order from chaos, the people who attempt to sow chaos and destroy order would be the antithesis of our mission, that would be our evil.
lauren chen
Evil cannot create, it can only destroy.
benny johnson
That's right.
Uh, the nature of Satan is to steal, kill, and destroy.
So, uh, vis-a-vis the Bible, the nature—so all you have to do is take a step back and say, is this stealing, killing, or destroying?
I gotta tell ya, what's the best thing about Trump Term 1?
No new wars.
Not even hard.
Not even difficult.
No new wars.
tim pool
And trying to end them.
unidentified
Yes.
benny johnson
And trying—yes, that's exactly right.
And, you know, he got a lot of flack for walking into North Korea.
I think that's, I would argue that that's probably peak Trump.
tim pool
Yep.
benny johnson
Walking into a nation that we are literally still at war with.
There has been no peace treaty.
They could, they could fire a shot and doing that and bringing that peace and like, I don't know, giving them a Dennis Rodman basketball and Yeah, whatever he did with Kim Jong-un.
tim pool
Let me 10 times that.
Donald Trump crossed the DMZ into enemy territory with no security detail in a sign of good faith and peace for North Korea and they attacked him for it.
They insulted him for it.
benny johnson
That's exactly right.
tim pool
That's exactly right.
And which side are you on, man?
Which side are you on?
benny johnson
do. That's exactly right. Enemy, enemy territory with no security detail. And which side are you
on, man? And you know, which side are you on? Are you on the side that according to multiple
reports decided to continue the Ukraine war, even when there was a peace treaty sitting on the table
that Zelensky was about to sign, that he and Putin had decided the framework of a peace treaty.
And they sent in Boris Johnson to come in and to tear it up, to rip it up and say, no, you are going to shove all of the young people in your country into a meat grinder to die for what exactly?
Nobody can still, like, alliterate that.
alex alx lorusso
Victory at all costs.
benny johnson
That is evil.
Listen, steal, kill, destroy.
Steal, kill, destroy.
There's no more young people left in Ukraine.
lauren chen
There are all those videos of where they're, like, rounding up older men who are literally fighting them.
benny johnson
Women, that's right.
tim pool
They're sending women to fight.
benny johnson
So what's going to happen, man?
I mean, how many kids are going to grow up without dads?
How many homes have been destroyed?
How many families have been destroyed?
This is evil.
Listen, take a step back.
Forget the political parties.
And it's a good comeuppance for somebody like me, who sort of grew up starry-eyed as a teenager in the early aughts, watching 9-11, right?
In high school, perhaps you watched 9-11 live.
Did you watch it live?
Where did you watch 9-11?
I watched it in my freshman class in high school, you know, on one of those wheel-in TVs that they have in public schools, you know, they wheel in the TV, plug it in.
And I, like, to my great shame, was supportive of Iraq and Afghanistan at that time.
I was like, wow!
Okay, good, let's go fight the terrorists.
And that's the one thing with age, and you step back and you have kids, especially having children, and especially becoming a father, and you think, not on my life would I allow you to draft my child and send them off to some desert to die alone.
Like, not on my life.
Would I allow?
I mean, I would leave before I'd let you do that.
Like, I would fight you at my doorstep before I'd allow you to use my children as cannon fodder.
And I would dig my heels into this dirt, and I would not—I wouldn't allow it.
And then you get—the wiser you get, the more you realize that actually— There's no really such thing as angels and demons on the side of war.
It's really just two sides of evil fighting each other for different degrees of evil, and the more you just become viscerally anti-war.
And that's what's happened to me as I've gotten older and wiser, is I've just said, there's actually very little justification ever for the wholesale slaughter of people or in war.
lauren chen
But the problem again is they really come out to defend wars.
Like you have the military-industrial complex, yeah, in line with the corporate press.
benny johnson
Lindsey Graham childless.
alex alx lorusso
Lindsey Graham literally, the other day he went on and he was like, he's making the case for like giving nukes and like starting to use like nukes like casually on cable news.
lauren chen
Oh, he's been on cable news declaring a holy war against Iran for sure.
But it doesn't matter to him.
And it frustrates me because the people like Lindsey Graham, the Liz Cheney's of the world, the warmongers, the neocons, I mean, they're very happy to call you unpatriotic for opposing their war for whatever reasons, even though they're the ones who are offering up Americans to die.
benny johnson
I'm the biggest patriot.
We're having more Americans.
Unlike Liz Cheney and Lindsey Graham, I'm making more Americans.
Liz Cheney has kids.
hannah claire brimelow
Liz Cheney has five kids.
That's what's worse, though.
She's willing to send your kids.
unidentified
She has five kids?
Yeah.
benny johnson
I didn't actually know that.
hannah claire brimelow
She has a bunch of kids.
The thing is, she's okay with sending your kids.
It's not her kids.
That's the part of it.
That's what I find the worst.
Like, they will send middle America's children, they'll send people who are in poverty, who enlist in the military to, you know, make their lives better.
You can be sacrificed, but not her children.
Her children will never be in that position.
benny johnson
That's right.
Let me tell you someone who will never be drafted is Liz Cheney's children.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
benny johnson
I actually didn't know that Liz Cheney had five children.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, she doesn't give off maternal energy, so I couldn't say why.
tim pool
Isn't that the premise of Fortunate Son?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What a good song.
lauren chen
That's a great song.
benny johnson
That's right.
But it's... Listen, it's evil.
If you view the world, it's steal, kill, and destroy.
And then you're able to see people who are stealing, killing, and destroying.
And you're just able to basically say, that's evil.
I'm not saying you have to be a Christian.
I'm just saying that that's a nice framework for what Christians view the world in, and you should judge people by that.
That's a nice little measure to judge people.
Are you stealing, killing, and destroying?
Well, you're probably on the side of the baddies, as they would say.
lauren chen
And I thought it was interesting.
We recently had on social media that whole debate over the atomic bombs in Japan, and I think there's...
You know, there's reasons why it made sense.
It was the way to minimize casualties.
Other people say no, they were ready to give up.
But what I really what I found curious to see is like the almost jingoistic support some people have, like, no, it was good, like they got what they like, when you keep in mind that the targets were mainly civilians.
It's, you know, we look back on World War Two, what the Nazis did, and we wonder how could they dehumanize people so terribly?
But we're still doing it today.
We're still doing it all the time.
We've coded people into, it's okay if we root for them to cheer and die, or cheer for them to die, versus it's not okay, but it's still immoral either way if they're not combatants themselves.
tim pool
It really is fascinating.
We have in the other room almost every single Life magazine ever.
We have the first Life magazine.
So it was originally some other magazine, got bought, rebranded.
And reading about World War II during World War II is so different than reading about
World War II today.
benny johnson
How so?
tim pool
So from what I've read, I've only read a little bit from these magazines, it's, there's very
little politics.
There's very little, it's, it's Germany invaded, they're, they're imperialist, they're, they're
stealing land, we're defending Europe.
It's, it's very simple.
Here's a photo of the battlefield, things like that.
The bombing of Japan, that magazine was not a...
I posted a bunch of photos.
We built the bomb, we did it.
The guy who just massacred all the people in the city smoking a cigarette on the cover, like, no big deal, like, I'm here, baby, we did this.
It starts getting much more political into race, ethnicity, Holocaust stuff later on.
And I think it's fair, I was like, we didn't know what was going on at the time.
So when you're, I think one of the most fascinating things I read was, I looked at the magazine right before D-Day.
And it's like pictures of tanks, tons of tanks in the UK, armaments, troops.
And it's like the US has been sending armaments and troops to the UK to short their defenses amid Germany's conquest or whatever.
Yeah, that's not what we were doing.
We were getting ready for a ground invasion into Europe.
But what the press was reporting is that we were just trying, they didn't tell the American people.
They just said, oh yeah, well, we're defending Britain because we don't want them to get invaded there in LA.
No, we were planning to get a bunch of boats and go storm the beaches.
Crazy, crazy to read what people thought was going on versus what we know now.
It's just, it's night and day.
hannah claire brimelow
It's the American tradition, right?
tim pool
That's right!
hannah claire brimelow
The press guards what we're actually doing from the people.
benny johnson
I think politicizing war, I think that's very interesting that there was no politics involved.
Politicizing war is so cruel to the people that are actually fighting the wars.
tim pool
Let's go to Super Chats!
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button?
One like equals one FJB.
Apparently that does better in getting likes to the show.
And also head over to TimCast.com because we're going to have that members-only call-in show coming up at 10pm and it's going to be a lot of fun, especially with the cacophony of unintelligible political commentary we have going on so far.
We're looking forward to hearing from you.
Clint Torres takes first place as he normally does.
Howdy people, says he.
Kyle says, Vivek or Tulsi for VP?
The VP debates would be legendary against Harris if either is picked.
IMO Tulsi for VP and Vivek for Chief of Staff.
What do you guys think?
lauren chen
I prefer Vivek to Tulsi.
I like both of them, but I love how Vivek wants to absolutely gut the bureaucratic class.
Very excited by that prospect.
I don't think he will be the VP pick, but I'd be happy if he was.
tim pool
The rumor that's been going around for a little while, that I've mentioned several times, is that Trump already picked Rubio.
I don't know if that's true or not.
I've not heard that.
I stress this.
unidentified
Can I explain why people say that?
benny johnson
Why do people that are on the inside of Florida politics tell me this?
And who know DeSantis, Rubio, who fund all these guys, who are billionaires, and this is what they've told me.
And I don't say this because I'm super glad about it.
I don't know Marco Rubio.
He's never been on my show.
I don't have a cell phone number.
I'm not simping for anybody.
I'm just saying.
tim pool
You don't got Rubio's number?
benny johnson
I'm just saying this is what it is.
Is that Rubio ticks a number of boxes that are really good for Donald Trump.
He's fluent in Spanish.
He'll be able to go on Univision.
There's going to be like a Univision debate.
I mean, could you imagine what Kamala Harris is going to do?
She can't even speak freaking English.
Much less Spanish, right?
But beyond that, Rubio's proven that he can actually swing votes, right?
Every single time he's run for Senate, the preponderance of Hispanic voters in Florida vote for him.
But also, he's chair of the Intelligence Committee, and here's the tell.
The meeting with DeSantis.
Donald Trump goes and meets with DeSantis.
Why is that the tell?
Because DeSantis gets to pick who steps into that Senate seat.
And DeSantis and Trump hate each other.
And this was an olive branch that Donald Trump was giving to DeSantis to say, hey, let's negotiate the seat together.
Maybe you put in a donor and then you run for the seat, right?
Your term limited out as governor.
I don't know exactly the details of how that conversation went, but that's the tell.
That was the horse trade.
Again, Trump the horse trader.
That was the horse trade.
And then DeSantis gets his Senate seat and then he goes and fund raises for Trump.
And that's what you're seeing on the back end.
tim pool
The other component is that The rumor going around is that Rubio is basically selling these Bush-era donors on Trump.
benny johnson
Yeah.
tim pool
And there's only one reason for that.
The rumor, of course, is that Rubio is saying, forget Trump, back me.
I'll be the VP.
And bringing this support and money in is effectively uniting the party behind Donald Trump because of Rubio.
I believe that if it is true, and I don't know that's true, it's just a rumor going around.
Apparently you've heard similar things.
Trump will win in November, and not because Rubio is a good candidate who speaks Spanish and can go on Univision, but because Trump cut a deal with the establishment to unify, and they're going to get something from it, so they back off.
Trump wins.
benny johnson
Yes, again, Trump's a dealmaker, and this is a deal that I think gets him the 100 electoral vote victory.
tim pool
So you're gonna make a bet?
Like, you know, election betting odds are, like, predicted or something?
As soon as somebody said to me, like, the rumor... Okay, I want to stress, I have not talked to anyone at the Trump administration.
This is not coming from anyone in his family or anything.
It was literally, like, Politicos and stuff in the Beltway being, like, the rumor going around town is.
And I'm thinking, like, man, I should put a hundred bucks down on Trump to win, like, damn.
benny johnson
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, he's already got the odds, though, so you're gonna win, like, 30 bucks, but still.
benny johnson
I mean, it's gonna be a brutal VP debate.
I mean, for selfish reasons, you of course want that to be Vivek.
Because he would do so well in a VP.
And Tulsi has proven that she can just gut Kamala Harris.
Do you remember the DNC debates?
That is a career ender in a fair world.
Kamala Harris goes away and you never hear from her again.
Because that was such a career ender about locking up black men, using them for slave labor, putting them on murderer's row, putting them on death row, exculpatory evidence, locking up hundreds, tens of thousands of people for marijuana charges.
Tulsi just went.
I mean, it was a napalming.
And it was the end of her, that should have been the end of Kamala's career.
lauren chen
But the thing with Tulsi, I like her overall, but she is overall a leftist.
She's still left on many, many politics and policies.
But I mean, I guess it depends on what kind of VP we're going to be seeing from Trump if he wins after 2024.
If he's just looking for a figurehead, someone to be there, not really do anything like a Joe Biden type of VP, then sure, throw in Tulsi.
She's ethnic.
She's a woman.
But if we actually want like a Dick Cheney, I'm going to get stuff done VP, Vivek all the way.
tim pool
All right, so we got a super chat.
Chase Starkey says RFK is going to be in the debates, and the longer y'all keep gatekeeping and ignoring him, you lose credibility.
Do you think he'll make it to the debates?
Apparently he has the polls, because there's so many.
Some of them have crossed that threshold.
What do you think?
lauren chen
I mean, I think he killed his own credibility when he talked about full-term abortion.
Also, the brain worm thing.
tim pool
The brain worm thing, I wouldn't hold against them.
It's silly.
It's a weird story.
But, you know, look, if the guy's got ideas, he's got ideas.
But the Fulton abortion thing freaked me out.
lauren chen
Yeah, that's insane.
benny johnson
Is it too much to ask for?
I mean, we had a big country.
We got like 400 million people here.
Is it too much to ask for a guy who hasn't had, like, multiple aneurysms and plates in his head, and for a guy who hasn't had brain worms?
Like, is it too much to ask to be, like, running for president?
tim pool
I mean, Trump's crying.
benny johnson
He's getting younger.
They raided Mar-a-Lago to find the Fountain of Youth.
I know they did.
tim pool
Let's, uh, we'll move on.
We're trying to get some more superchats.
RaymondGStanleyJr says, I'm 180 with high BMI.
I would wreck that tiny lady.
So this is a viral video of this, um, this woman who's like a black belt taekwondo world champ and she's got a bo staff spinning it around.
It got like 12 million views.
Because the premise was that a bunch of, the first tweet was, it was from Katherine Brodsky, I don't envy the man or, you know, or bear who encounters this woman or whatever.
And then a bunch of guys saying, your average untrained man could easily take her.
And then a bunch of more lefty individuals being like, no way, man, this woman with proper training would take any man.
The woman is 5'1", 100 pounds.
I'm just like, you know, so this was the big viral debate on X, I suppose.
Can a trained martial artist, black belt, world champion, weighing 100 pounds and coming in at 5'1", win the fight against your average untrained man?
lauren chen
Absolutely not.
There's a reason why even in the UFC, men fighting men, they have weight classes, right?
Because they know if they put someone who's 6'4 against someone who's 5'4, that's going to be a very short, very uninteresting fight.
So to say that a woman who's 5'1, 100-some pounds, could take on your average man, even, you know, someone who's shorter than the average man and weaker, like, still no.
I don't know why women feel like they need to be better than men at physical things.
It's a fight we're going to lose, ladies.
We shouldn't try.
tim pool
So I looked it up, the average male height in the United States is five, or I don't know if it's the United States, but I looked up average male height and weight, and it said 5'8", 199 pounds.
That's a real bad prognosis for this country.
alex alx lorusso
Double the weight.
tim pool
That's pretty bad.
No, I just mean like, these are, the average guy ain't doing too well.
lauren chen
The average woman I think is like 170 pounds, and like 5'3", or 5'4", yeah.
Wow, we are a rotund nation.
5'3 or 5'4.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Wow, we are a rotund nation.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Mercy.
Alright, Mike Z says, a few days ago I asked him to buy me some sushi in jest, but after seeing so many in dire straits, I wanted to give something back.
Please use this to bless someone's day.
hannah claire brimelow
Very cool.
tim pool
Yeah, I will say, you know, if people super chat saying, like, I need help, we've gotten this for the existence of this show.
People have been like, hey, you know, my dog's sick.
And then the past couple of weeks, I paid somebody's rent.
So then everyone, I paid two people's rent, actually.
And so people are like, me, like, I need help, I need help.
And so we've done like a couple hundred bucks to some GoFundMes.
One guy needed dialysis.
But, you know, we can't do it every single night forever.
But if people are super chatting, we'll see what we can do.
Let's grab some more super chats.
Z3 Music Official says, howdy people.
Been homesteading for almost four years.
We're up to 37 chickens, 16 ducks, 2 geese, 5 goats, and tomorrow my wife is getting a miniature cow for her birthday.
That is absolutely amazing and I'm glad to hear it.
That is, that is based AF.
hannah claire brimelow
Does she know she's getting the cow or did we just ruin the surprise?
alex alx lorusso
Surprise.
lauren chen
Oh, you should name the cow Milk Dud.
hannah claire brimelow
Can you imagine you came home and the cow was just like in your living room?
unidentified
That'd be amazing.
tim pool
That's brilliant.
We're gonna do that.
lauren chen
I know.
Liam, my husband, won't let me get a mini cow, but I've always wanted one and I wanted to call it Milk Dud, but he says I'm not allowed.
tim pool
I guess they produce between like one or two gallons a day.
benny johnson
Do you live on a farm?
unidentified
Well, no, and admittedly it'd be hard where we live now, but that's why it's what I spotted.
benny johnson
Are you in an apartment?
lauren chen
No, no, we're half house, but the yard is not cow size.
Actually, mini-cows only need about a half acre.
Fun mini-cow fact.
tim pool
Listen, there is like a half mile away, this farm, with cows.
And it's amazing because in the middle of it is a creek.
When you're driving, you drive over the creek and it's fenced off and it is the most heartwarming thing to see the mama cow and the baby cow standing in the creek together and the baby's drinking the water and you drive past and you're like, I want this.
I want the creek.
I want the cows.
I want to watch them and look at them.
It's amazing.
This is what man was meant to do.
Farm and raise animals and then, you know, eat them.
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
We don't eat them yet.
hannah claire brimelow
It's the circle of life, you know?
tim pool
Yeah.
benny johnson
The city wears on you.
And when you're inside of too heavy of an urban area, the concrete, it all becomes heavy.
It all becomes very brutalist.
Touch grass, it's true.
Yeah.
The moment I got out of here, I just stood out in the middle of the field and just looked at the sun.
lauren chen
It's true, we could not find him for like an hour.
alex alx lorusso
It was amazing.
tim pool
Alright, Tyler Ryle.
I mean, yeah, this is a massive property.
So you walk in the woods or something.
Tyler Riddle says, Tim, my wife and I have been at the hospital since 1.30 p.m.
yesterday.
She just got an epidural and went 4 to 10 centimeters instantly.
Our first baby.
Can't wait to meet them soon.
Long time listener.
Thank you for fighting the culture war.
God bless.
Congratulations.
hannah claire brimelow
I think we've been getting like one or two of these a week for the past like a month of people like at the hospital be like, I am about to become a parent.
tim pool
Well, it's because people, someone super chatted earlier like, is this show only ever complained with no solutions?
And it's like, well, we always tell people like one of the solutions is have kids.
benny johnson
Yes.
tim pool
The left are not having kids.
They're aborting their kids.
They're sterilizing their kids.
And the right is having more and more kids and screaming, have more kids.
And the end result is actually quite simple.
The nation may be below replacement rates.
Infertility.
But if those who believe in freedom, free speech, the Constitution, our traditional moral values and things like this are having more kids, and of their demographic are above replacement, 20 years of the country is conservative Christian.
lauren chen
Only if you don't send them to public schools, though, because otherwise they just brainwash your kids.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
There is resistance to that, but homeschool your kids, and that is a big trend.
benny johnson
Do you know any left-wing family of 10?
No.
tim pool
Well, wait, yes.
lauren chen
They're polycules.
hannah claire brimelow
I think I know one, but again, like, when you grow up in, like, I grew up in New England, so there's, like, you'll have a big Catholic family, but they all vote Democrat because that's, like, the socially acceptable thing to do.
You just have to be active in your children's life if you want to steer them in the directions you want to see them grow up.
tim pool
Indeed.
Let's go, Mike.
Says, Bidens are the same kind of folks who would appear on The Jerry Springer Show in the 90s.
alex alx lorusso
That's pretty accurate.
tim pool
To be fair though, I've got bad news for everybody.
The Jerry Springer Show is fake.
hannah claire brimelow
So he could moderate a debate and he wouldn't need to miss work.
tim pool
I know a guy who went on the Springer show and his show was something like, I'm cheating on my wife with two men or some ridiculous story.
None of it is true.
Like the guy was just some hippie from Philly or something.
And he was like, oh, we literally just called them up and said, hey, here's our pitch.
And they're like, sounds great.
Come on the show.
And they knew it was not true.
And our friends came and we pretended and we fought and they loved the show.
So that's our, you know.
lauren chen
I had a friend appear on House Hunters, and apparently that's also fake.
They won't even let you on the show unless you've already bought your house enclosed, but on the show you're like, which one am I gonna buy?
It's totally fake.
It's not real.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
Reality TV, it's like when you're in Hollywood and you're talking to actors, and they're like, I do a lot of reality TV, and it's like everyone knows it's all scripted, fake.
It's not so much that it's scripted in that you have an expectation of what they want you to do, and there's like directors, and then they edit it in a way to make it look like whatever they want.
benny johnson
I watched election night on 2020 at 2020 the year 2020 it was totally fake.
tim pool
All right, what do we got?
Mega Mikey says bold of you to assume Joe Biden would even recover from a heart attack or stroke as he stands currently probably would die right on the spot during a rally as you described.
unidentified
Yikes.
tim pool
Then what for Gavin?
No, I don't think.
As that tweet pointed out, in the debate we are about to see the Manhattan Project of psychoactive stimulants.
We are gonna be like, wow!
And then there was that picture of Joe Biden with the marks on his hand that looked like it came from an IV.
He's getting, oh bro, you know that stuff Joe Rogan talks about?
You know, like the vitamin IV treatments?
lauren chen
He's getting all the baby stem cell therapy that Scientology uses on Tom Cruise, for sure.
tim pool
I would not be surprised if they're giving Biden stem cells.
For real.
lauren chen
The Chinese, I mean, Chinese Communist Party, there's rumors that that's what the leaders do.
tim pool
They get stem cell injections.
Well, look at that guy, what's his name, Brian Johnson, where he gets blood transfusions from his son.
Is that what he does?
lauren chen
Yeah, from his young son.
tim pool
And then he has his blood tested every morning to figure out what he needs to eat, what he's missing, what he's too high of, and things like that.
unidentified
But he looks exactly his age, is why that's weird.
benny johnson
So there's this moment in the interview that he did with Tucker Carlson where he goes, am I not a demon to Tucker?
tim pool
Brian Johnson said that?
benny johnson
Yes.
He says, am I not a demon?
To Tucker.
So Tucker's talking about the spiritual life, right?
And like how this seems unnatural, right?
And some might call it demonic.
Because he's trying to reverse natural aging.
And he goes, am I not a demon?
And Tucker is set back.
He's like, I don't, I'm a Presbyterian.
I don't know.
And he goes, am I not a demon?
And he just looks I texted Tucker afterwards, I'm like, you just talked to a
demon man, and he says, I was totally unprepared.
And the answer is yes.
I was totally unprepared for this interaction.
Wow.
That was a spiritual realm moment.
tim pool
I believe it.
I think there are demons.
I'm not saying...
lauren chen
That guy's weird.
benny johnson
He always looks moist.
You can find...
It's up on Tucker's ex.
tim pool
You can go find the interview.
I want to clarify for people too, because when I say demon, I'm not saying to imagine
like a red guy with horns or like a black shadowy figure.
I mean like a negative spiritual presence of sorts, something beyond our comprehension,
some influence that exists.
Because I didn't believe it, but I have seen people turn evil in an instant, and I've seen
way too much of it in the past several years.
Like it's getting worse.
And I mean it.
People that I knew, normal one day, and then the next day doing Kubrick stairs, hurting
animals and just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, something's wrong here, man.
What happened to you?
Like something in their brain snapped.
I have no idea.
I think.
benny johnson
People need Jesus.
Got it.
Demons.
People need Jesus.
Even Joe Rogan says that now.
tim pool
Does he really?
benny johnson
It's fact.
tim pool
So I did a big segment I think it was today on the Harrison Butker situation where you know everything he said.
He's speaking to a Catholic college and they're like how dare you say How dare you say Catholic things to a Catholic audience?
When he said to the women, I assume many of you are looking forward to your families and your marriages and things like this, and I'm like, yes, they're a bunch of Catholics, of course they agree with him, like what?
They were like, yes.
And the point I made in that segment was, when you look at the logical function of what church and faith did for this country and what's happening without it, it's clear that outside of any religious perspective, the things that Christianity gives to society are massively beneficial and strengthening.
So when we lose people going to church, which is when the whole community comes together and shares in a shared moral tradition, you lose that, you get crime, you get drug abuse, you get horrible scenarios, you get abuse.
So yeah, simply put, from a logical, governmental, secular perspective, religion does great things for society.
lauren chen
Yeah, that's the argument that Jordan Peterson makes in his, uh, cause he's, you know, he's one of those people where you ask him if you believe in God, he'll say, well, I act like I do, which is the same.
I disagree that it's the same, but he's, he's very keen on the, I guess, utilitarian aspect of religion, especially as a Christian.
tim pool
Does he believe in God?
lauren chen
Well, he acts as if he does, which is the same.
tim pool
It's not the same.
lauren chen
It's not the same.
When I've interviewed him, I've tried to push on that.
That's the only answer he would give.
I mean, if you saw the debate he did with Sam Harris, they spent like an hour and a half discussing what is truth, what is belief.
benny johnson
So here's a good example.
We talked about Pennsylvania.
So if you're in the chat, shout out Pennsylvania.
Go to Kensington in Philadelphia and then just drive like 100 miles into Amish country.
And C, do you see any drug-addicted Amish?
Do you see any homeless Amish people?
Do you see any Amish people who are degenerates committing crimes and marching, rallying, and trying to burn down businesses?
Do you see any of that in this religious community that is homogenous and that everybody is part of the same religion and they live together in community and they help each other and they build together?
You see none of that.
It is like two different universes.
It might as well be two different earths, the difference between a hundred miles.
And I can tell you that the difference is a belief in God, the difference is the structure and the meaning and the purpose that religion provides, or just a belief in a greater power provides.
And you can see the differences just a hundred miles apart in the state of Pennsylvania.
tim pool
So a couple of people from the chat, one said, Goddamn, the religious zealotry is cringe.
Others saying religion killing right now in Israel, Gaza.
You need to understand the difference between zealotry, fundamentalism, and like moral tradition.
And so, and this is this is for you guys who said that.
I think you would benefit from, I don't know, moral philosophy and reading these things.
Because the bad exists does not mean the good is bad.
So when I say things like church is good because it brings community together, it is not to say church is bad because wars happen overseas.
These are different things.
And the simplest way I can explain it in terms of a direct analogy is if everyone in the world shared the same moral tradition was as devout as Seamus Coghlan of Freedom Tunes, there'd be no war, there would be no need for police.
And that is a statement of fact, not an opinion.
The challenges arise from when people, when there are people who lack morals, don't share moral tradition, are at odds and dispute with each other, or outright don't care about community.
And so, when you have, let's remove religion from the equation, and simplify it too.
Every Sunday, everyone in the community comes together and hangs out at the community center, and they play tic-tac-toe and connect four and they share food.
That function strengthens community, reduces crime, increases wealth, and what was doing that before?
It was church.
And the people who were following this religion in their small communities weren't going and waging war in Israel and Gaza.
What you're talking about is government corruption, institutional power, massive corporations, but the small church where people are saying, be kind to your neighbors, That's a good thing.
Because there are bad people who use the Lord's name in vain, which is to declare war on a foreign country in the name of God, that's wrong.
That's against the religion.
And I credit Seamus for this, because we were talking about the commandments and how the Ten Commandments logically benefit people in general, whether you're religious or not.
It's not about being as zealous.
I'm not a Christian.
I do believe in God, but I'm not a Christian.
It's as simple as There are people who are in violation of the Ten Commandments when they say, God is on my side, and then go kill people in war.
They are using the Lord's name to justify their desires.
So there's a big difference between coming together with your neighbors and community saying, here's where we agree you should and should not do, and they live together peacefully, and then people being like, hey, that thing you believe, because of it you have to go fight and die overseas so I can have oil.
lauren chen
Also, I mean, regarding Israel-Gaza, like, I'm sorry, but if you think that religion is the only reason that conflict is happening, without religion, it would just be a bunch of, like, ethnic Arabs and Jews hanging out, chilling, having a great time.
I'm sorry, but no.
benny johnson
Yeah, smoking hookah, yeah.
lauren chen
If not for religion, there would be peace.
I don't think so.
benny johnson
No.
No, actually, it's the opposite.
It's called the Golden Rule, right?
It's do unto others.
In fact, the core tenets of freedom is just don't do any harm to other people, actually.
And that's basically how the country's founded.
So when you say that America's founded on Christian principles, it's do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
That's straight from scripture.
That's like the core tenets of the country.
And I think everybody can agree with that in general.
That's how you have a society.
And you want to live in a high-trust society.
Zero-trust societies are what you see in San Francisco, in Philadelphia, in Chicago.
That's the result—in New York, that's the result of a zero-trust society.
You want to live in a high-trust society.
tim pool
All right.
benny johnson
Shared principles and morals.
tim pool
Agreed.
Benzie Box says, once had a leftist tell me the right was far dumber.
I asked if they would agree to a literacy test to vote, and their head exploded.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Imagine that.
They think they're all so much smarter, but the issue is they confer college degrees with intelligence.
They correlate college degree and intelligence, and it's like, that may have been the case a long time ago, but it's not really the case these days.
In fact, maybe an inverse correlation now.
hannah claire brimelow
I would argue also a long time ago, I mean, higher education, getting a college degree has always been a luxury.
It's always been something that people strive to get and it's not always accessible.
There are tons of people who are incredibly intelligent who didn't go to college.
Like, that's just the way our culture has always worked.
But now it's that level of credentialism.
lauren chen
Yeah.
unidentified
It's like checking a box.
lauren chen
Yeah, for sure.
And the overwhelming prevalence of leftist ideology in academia, that's actually pretty new.
If you look at, I think it's 97% of professors report like being Democrats.
That actually wasn't the case in the 60s and the 70s.
And I am pretty sure professors were just as smart back then.
So it's actually, it's an example of the left taking over an institution, which we've seen for many institutions.
It's just so it happens to include academia, which we equate with smart people.
tim pool
We have this, uh, Steve Stevens says, Happy Lagwagon Day!
Uh, indeed!
Happy Lagwagon Day!
For those that, uh, grew up playing the Tony Hawk Pro Skater video games, you know that May 16th, of course, is Lagwagon Day.
And for those that did not know, I could be getting this wrong, but my general understanding of the song, it's a song called May 16th.
It was on the Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 soundtrack.
The song was written, uh, by a dude who was, I guess the story was he was in his apartment, and he looked out his window, and he saw one of his best friends, who he had a falling out with, getting married.
And so, he felt pain seeing that, if not for this stupid argument, he could be there for one of the most important days of his friend's life.
And that's why the line in the chorus is, it's just another Saturday, is because he's lying to himself, saying, none of this matters, it's just another Saturday.
And the song, it's, wow, like, when you learn what the song is about, it really becomes that much more powerful.
So brutal.
He was, like, sad.
His best friend was getting married.
He couldn't be there for him because they had to fight.
And he's just like, nah, just any other day.
There's nothing special going on.
I'm going to ignore it.
And, like, how brutal.
lauren chen
I feel like we don't talk enough about friendship breakups as being heartbreaking.
It's always, like, the romantic breakups.
Friend breakups can hurt just as much, if not more.
tim pool
All right.
May 814 says, Tim, my wife recently lost her job and we're behind on the bills.
Anything will help.
Rbrom, is that, is that what it is?
Well, you're in luck because someone already sent in a super chat saying they wanted to help.
So, uh, uh oh.
The app crashed.
There we go.
Let's see if this one works.
Rbrom, if I can forward that there, looks like, looks like I can.
I can forward you that there a super chat, but I'll double it.
We'll send a hundred bucks.
What's this for?
Literally anything you want.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
I think that makes it a tax-free gift, I guess.
Someone super chatted saying, you know, they said, help someone in need.
I said, okay, there you go.
Someone said they're behind the bills.
We can't do it every single time, but someone super chatted us for it, so.
Remy says, I've worked security for 100 years in Baltimore.
99% of the homeless people are mental health cases with drug problems.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
The people who are just down on their luck never stay homeless for long.
You are correct.
100%.
The experience I had in Chicago and California.
The people who are down on their luck literally hold up a sign saying, I don't need a handout, I need work.
And you walk up to them and say something like, can you carry heavy boxes?
They'll be like, done.
Tell me where to be.
And they are figuring it out.
The problem is the people who are on drugs, who are drunk, or who are mentally ill cannot figure out the steps.
California did something crazy.
This was a couple years ago where they announced that the frequently homeless homeless would fall under state conservatorship and they would seize their bank accounts and their income and then take control of their lives.
And it's an interesting thought because it's basically an asylum.
It's like, okay, you become a ward of the state because you're incapable of taking care of yourself.
The problem is if you are just if it's like if you're a homeless person causing problems and Destroying things and all that, fine.
But the scary thing is if you're just a guy who doesn't have a house, and you're sleeping on a park bench, and you're not crazy, or whatever, and they're like, you are now a ward of the state for sleeping outside, is where, like, it starts to get weird.
lauren chen
Yeah, I feel like if you're gonna do something like that, there should always be an out.
Like, a level that you reach of self-sufficiency, where you can get out of that, so you're not just basically an indentured servant for the rest of your life because you missed a couple rent payments or something like that.
tim pool
All right, here we go.
One more super chat.
Rural Man Life says everyone needs to read Thomas Jefferson's writings in 1800 when he was running for president about his disdaining for cities and how destructive it is to the human condition.
unidentified
Yes.
Wow.
tim pool
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lauren chen
Sure.
So you can follow me on YouTube.
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unidentified
C-L-E-A-R-L-Y-P-U-R.etsy.com.
lauren chen
My mom is still trying to figure out how to do a redirect for an easier domain.
tim pool
We can set that up literally five minutes after the show.
lauren chen
No, no, you can't, because she also forgot the password to the Google.
unidentified
It's like a real thing.
lauren chen
Mom, I love you.
unidentified
We'll figure it out.
tim pool
No, I can set it up in three seconds.
lauren chen
No, but she owns ClearlyPure.com, the domain, so she managed to get it, but then forgot the password.
I love her.
She makes great soaps, though.
Not a web person.
tim pool
Betty, what do you got?
benny johnson
Follow at Benny Johnson on YouTube.
Again, we just crossed two million.
We're really proud of that, but we are really doing our best to try and bring a little extra entertainment to the news cycle and a little extra joy and, like, less blackpilling and less Doomer-ism.
And I watched the chat, okay?
I watched the chat.
I love you all.
Don't be a Doomer.
It's a terrible way to go through life.
We try our best to be uplifting, and it's good, and that's actually contagious when you're around it.
So that's what we try and do.
If you want a little bit of extra lightheartedness in your feed, please give us a follow.
Salt Must Flow.
tim pool
ALX, what up?
alex alx lorusso
At ALX, on X, and free my boy.
tim pool
Right on.
hannah claire brimelow
This has been a fun show.
I can endorse Lauren's Mom Soap.
They gave me some and they're amazing.
So you should check them out at whatever domain you can get a hold of.
I'm Hannah Claire Brimel.
I'm a writer for scnr.com at Scanner News.
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And I'm on X at HannahClaireB.
Bye, Serge!
unidentified
Bye, HannahClaire.
Fellow Romans, have a good night.
Cheers.
tim pool
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