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April 24, 2024 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Anti Israel Protests ERUPT All Over US, Occupy 2.0, TX ARRESTS Protesters w/Ari Jacob | Timcast IRL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		the the anti-israel protests that have erupted at universities
		over this past couple of weeks have expanded
		And now more universities, more cities are starting to see these massive protests emerge.
		People are not too happy with the current state of Israel.
		But I think what's happening is as more police begin to arrest more protesters and generate more media attention, as Fox News and other cable outlets plaster this story all across television, more people learn about it, and just like Occupy Wall Street, the movement gets bigger.
		And so, I actually have a question for the audience, right as we start, for those that want to chat.
		Give me two cents.
		Have we seen anything this big since Occupy Wall Street?
		We've got encampments popping up at now Harvard, I'm hearing.
		We've got UT Austin mass arrests.
		The governor is saying they will not tolerate antisemitism, which kind of sounds like he's arresting people for hate speech.
		And then you've got, of course, Serge is telling us he's hearing something going on in Utah.
		We've got Yale.
		We've got Columbia.
		We've got marches in the streets of New York for this.
		So it certainly seems like this could be the biggest nationwide movement since Occupy.
		Now, I know the Summer of Love riots were massive, but that was a flash in the pan of riots and protests.
		These are actual encampments.
		So that's specifically what I'm saying.
		So we'll talk about that story.
		That one's pretty big.
		Then, of course, ladies and gentlemen, TikTok.
		The bill that may ban it has been signed by Joe Biden.
		It is.
		It's here.
		So whether or not TikTok now divests, we will see.
		The CEO says they're going to fight this, but this could mean TikTok becomes a U.S.
		owned company or is shut down entirely.
		So we'll talk about that.
		Plus, we got some Joe Biden gaffes.
		He read the teleprompter again and said, four more years, pause.
		And I kid you not.
		He once again called for freedom over democracy.
		And I just, he keeps doing it.
		We don't know why.
		And then we have Elon Musk's battle with Brazil over, I'm sorry, not with Brazil, with Australia over free speech.
		But the Brazil thing is happening too.
		So we'll talk about that.
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	And joining us to talk about this and much more is Ari Jacob.
unidentified		Hi, nice to see you.
		Nice to be here at the new studio.
		Yeah, like you said, my full name is Ari Adna, but everybody can call me Ari.
		I am an influencer, marketing, and creator development specialist.
		I am an ex-talent agent, and I started one of the first TikTok talent agencies.
		Over the course of my 20-year career, I worked with dozens of brands, celebrities, social media, and reality stars, and I survived a Taylor-Lorenz media hit job, and now I am a full-time creator.
		You can find me on my YouTube channel.
		I talk about peeling back the curtain of the And thanks for hanging out.
		space and if you want to help me beat Taylor Lorenz on YouTube I need like
		10,000 more subs so you can find it at little miss Jacob TV and I'm little miss
		Jacob everywhere so congrats on the new studio it's amazing yeah and thanks for
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		hanging out Seamus Coughlin is still here yes yeah you can't get rid of me I
		I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
		We make animated cartoons.
		We released one last week, last Thursday, where Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens are on the whatever podcast debating whether Israel or Palestine has a higher body count.
		Very funny.
		Please go watch it if you haven't.
		We're releasing a cartoon tomorrow on the trans issue.
		I think you guys will enjoy that as well.
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hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I'm Hannah Glover Rimlow.
		I don't run a YouTube channel, but I am part of Scanner News.
		That's scnr.com.
		I'm really grateful to be a part of that team.
		You can follow our work at TimCastNews.
		Serge is here.
unidentified		I am indeed.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I hope you guys enjoy the show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here we go, we got the story from the Postmillennial.
		Texas police arrest UT Austin students attempting to set up anti-Israel Gaza camp.
		Governor Greg Abbott threatens more arrests.
		So, a ton of anti-Israel, as Greg Price calls it, pro-Hamas idiots at UT Austin tried to set up an encampment.
		The police moved in and engaged in mass arrests.
		I think we have this tweet here from Greg Abbott.
		He said arrests being made right now and will continue until the crowd disperses.
		These protesters belong in jail.
		Anti-Semitism will not be tolerated in Texas, period.
		Students joining in hate-filled anti-Semitic protests at any public college or university in Texas should be expelled.
		And oh boy!
		This is where things get interesting.
		We have a bunch of stories, right?
		You've got NYPD mass arrests at another anti-Israel protest.
		You've got Columbia negotiating allowing them to stay.
		You've got Harvard protests popping up.
		Even Mike Johnson shows up to Columbia and is threatening these students.
		This is wild.
		TikTok is on the verge of being banned and it all is centered around Israel.
		Here's what's interesting about the first story.
		So we'll get to all of that news.
		But there's a bunch of small stories in the bigger story.
		The first one I think is the most important.
		Is Greg Abbott basically saying he's arresting people for hate speech.
		He's saying these protesters belong in jail.
		Anti-Semitism will not be tolerated.
		Greg Abbott of Texas is saying for their hateful speech they're being arrested.
		Or they should be in jail.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, hate speech is one of these things that I can understand why people want to say things like that, but it's such a danger of free speech that I think you have to tread really carefully.
		This is also something I'm seeing repeated basically with every older politician.
		This is very much sort of an older stance to say, This is the emergence of anti-Semitism on college campuses, whereas younger, you know, protesters, activists are saying, no, you guys have gone too far.
		You're supporting genocide.
		So you're really seeing an ideological clash here.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's also really disturbing and frightening.
		For so many years on college campuses, it's been totally in vogue to say literally anything that you want about white people.
		And even though in the past I've said on this show that I reject this paradigm, of whiteness.
		I think it's something that's been imposed upon us and that certain ethnicities such as the Irish, Italian, Polish, other Catholic ethnicities weren't considered white.
		The reality is people who look like me are considered white, whether that's a label I appreciate or not.
		And these college students have been perfectly comfortable and entitled to say literally anything they want about us, but now that they're talking about one specific minority, it's, oh my gosh, we have to arrest them and throw them in prison.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's funny, and I'm not saying that the rhetoric, yeah, and I'm not saying that hateful rhetoric towards any group is a good thing, but what I am saying is it's really interesting that they were literally able to criticize the majority of this country for years and years and years, and none of them got in any trouble, and then people sit there and go, oh my gosh, they're criticizing other ethnic groups.
		How could this possibly have happened?
		Well, I can tell you how it happened.
		You told them that that was okay for the past several decades, and they got away with it for the past several decades.
unidentified		decades. They don't see the distinction that older generations did. Yeah. What I don't
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		like about this is the the conflation of Israel criticism with anti-semitism. Yeah, that as
		well. And I think it's also important to point out many of these people are anti-semitic.
		And there was a video out of Yale where a Jewish guy is trying to walk through campus
		and they stop him and they block him for literally no reason. And the reason I've heard people
		say is like, oh, but they're acting shady and weird and they're filming. And I'm like,
		dude, you can't just go up to somebody for that reason.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Right? Yeah. Also, Yale's gonna be confused when they find out their founder is Jewish.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Right. Eli Yale. I could be wrong I don't know about that.
unidentified		One thing that I've just seen culturally and working with young people is that we've gotten into this habit of feigning victimhood.
		And so what is the difference between really being threatened and having your feelings hurt?
		And what people are seeing is that if they do the feigning victimhood very well and it works, then they just keep doing it over and over again.
		I don't know, you know, it does get into that freedom of speech thing.
		It's like, are people really being, are they scared for their safety or, or do they just not like what other people are saying?
		Like there was a story of the, of the kid that, um, I think he said that somebody was an illegal alien in his English class and the Mexican kid.
		I'm from Mexico.
		I moved here when I was two and that illegal alien joke was a joke back then.
		I'm, I'm just fine.
		I survived it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, this kid didn't make a joke.
		The kid in school said, was asked to write about aliens, and he said, you're talking about illegal aliens or space aliens?
		And they're like, how dare you!
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I'm totally wrong about Yale, by the way.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I just fact-checked myself.
unidentified		Okay.
		But anyway, yeah, so I don't know.
		What do you think about it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's going on in Texas, look, if Greg Abbott wants to arrest people because they're trying to occupy a public space, keeping other people out and basically seizing territory to create a Chazz Chop kind of situation, then he needs to say that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because what he tweeted out right now is, you're not allowed to protest and be hateful at the same time.
unidentified		Yeah, words matter.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, no, no, no, no.
		That's not okay, Greg.
		If people want to march down the street and say what they want to say, even if I disagree with it, that's what free speech is.
		Yeah.
		I agree with removing these people, however.
		I don't think they should be at Columbia, and it's because they're setting up an occupation.
		Peaceful protests are great, but if they're taking over the common space from other people, and these videos come out where they're like, we're going to link hands and then push them out, okay, you're shut down.
		Now you're occupying territory and taking it away from the people who were there first.
		And that's wrong, and that shouldn't happen.
		Did you see the video?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I think it was from Harvard of people rushing onto the green to start setting up an encampment.
		I mean, it is an intentional, growing position, right?
		This is something that, you know, I think you're probably the best one to talk about this with Occupy Wall Street, but it is something they want to set up an effectively satellite network at college campuses across the U.S., starting predominantly in the Northeast, where a lot of the college already lean towards a, like, leftist, progressive worldview.
unidentified		Well, what is dangerous too is, and I saw this when the whole BLM thing was happening, I was managing all these different TikTok houses and I was totally unaware of politics.
		And the kids were like, this is cool to go and protest BLM stuff.
		And they're like, we want to put a banner outside.
		I'm like, just do whatever you want.
		I mean, if that's the popular thing, and what happens is if that becomes the popular thing to be anti-Semitic, just because people are getting clout or something by, by being that way, you were saying that you were getting called a Zionist.
		I mean, I heard a podcast where there was, like, a Jewish influencer saying that being a Zionist isn't even, like, bad, or, you know, so I don't even know what it is.
		I just know it's unpopular and I don't want to be called that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, Zionist is basically, like, if you're anti-Israel, it's white supremacy, it's racist, it's a catch-all term for people who are not aligned with my worldview.
unidentified		That's what it's turned into, right, at least now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, and it functions the same way.
		Let's say you're like an unrepentant white supremacist marching around in Klan robes.
		They go, haha, you're a white supremacist, and the guy goes, okay.
		Let's say you're like a moderate liberal or classical liberal or right-leaning individual and you don't like racism, and so you say things like, I believe in meritocracy.
		They go, you're a racist white supremacist!
		The Zionist thing There's literal Zionism, where someone believes in the creation of a Jewish state in Israel and they want to have the Holy Land and all of that stuff.
		And then there's varying degrees of how people describe it.
unidentified		And that doesn't have a negative connotation, correct?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It certainly does.
		The idea of wanting to create a country, some people view very negatively, colonization.
		Then there's me and other more libertarian people who are like, I don't think the U.S.
		should be funding foreign military expenditures in whatever Israel is doing.
		And they go, so you think Israel exists?
		And I'm like, there's quite literally a country called Israel.
		Zionist!
		Because in the mind of many of these people, Israel being a fabrication created by, you know, with the whatever, however they want to describe the creation of Israel.
		Anyone who acknowledges that it does exist is also a Zionist.
		And I'm like, I'm not saying it should or shouldn't.
		I don't know.
		It's a country with a government and they have a military and there's a war going on.
		And they're like, so many of these people don't think there is an Israel.
		They say it's Palestine.
		It's occupied Palestine.
		If you call it Israel, you are a Zionist.
		So it's like, I don't even know, dude.
		All I'm saying is we're America and we should just stay out of it.
unidentified		Yeah, I think young people, they don't know, right?
		I don't barely know.
		I mean, I watch you guys and I try to get the information, but it's like, unless you're deep in this, all you see on TikTok, I saw it, you know, back, I think it was 2020, that every, if you, if you like Trump, or if you say you like Trump, then you're a terrible person.
		You can't even say it out loud.
		And so everybody just wants to fit in.
		I mean, young people, you want to fit into the group.
		So if something sounds bad, and then you're just going to go with the flow.
		And I think that could be dangerous as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would say all of these students, they have no idea what they're protesting.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But there's an interesting question around this too because with, you know, Greg Abbott basically tweeting that hate speech will get you arrested, which is hilarious, there's a question of if these people are saying they are Hamas, Are they saying they're a terrorist organization?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and they are.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		But there is a difference, as you mentioned, between that and quote-unquote hate speech.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but what I'm saying is, you have that video where the woman yells, we are Hamas.
		Should she be arrested and charged?
		Say, okay, you've sworn allegiance to a terror organization, and now any crime you commit is in alignment.
		I mean, how do we handle that?
		Do we just say, no, no, if someone is clearly an American college student, they can't possibly be Hamas.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		But why would that be true, though?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, that's what I'm saying.
		That's an absurdity.
		Certainly, radicalized young people could join a terror organization.
		Then is the question, well, all they really did was commit a misdemeanor, therefore they won't be charged with terror.
		No, that's not how the law is supposed to work.
		I think we get into really dangerous territory if we start arresting Columbia College students who are yelling, they are Hamas.
		Not understanding.
		And then what are we going to do?
		Send them to Guantanamo Bay?
		We can't do that.
		But then think about the precedent.
		The precedent being that people could literally swear allegiance to a terror organization, go around committing mass crimes, and then those who are only involved slightly or aren't actively involved in killing but are blockading things, we let them go?
		No, you're part of a terror organization.
		We charge you for it.
unidentified		If you were Greg Abbott, what do you think the message to put out and say would be?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he should have tweeted, Occupying public space without a permit takes that space away from other people who have paid for this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is the seizure of the commons by an ideological group and we won't tolerate it.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		No, I think that makes sense.
		All the loftiness about hate, etc., etc., anti-Semitism will not be tolerated in Texas.
		I mean, again, what about anti-whiteness, anti-blackness?
		Are all forms of hatred or not liking a group of people, not constitutionally protected?
		It seems like it's an overstep.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		It makes me feel like they are looking at what the other governors and college presidents are saying and being like,
		what's the acceptable line your office is putting out?
		Okay, you're saying anti-Semitism, we'll say it too then.
		Like, there's a lack of sort of critical analysis of what the core issue is here.
		Like you're saying, like, occupying a public space for an ideological group,
		especially in a way that potentially, you know, advocates for violence.
		You can see some conflict, like, there are things they could be concerned about.
		But again, it seems like everyone is focusing on the ideological or the ethnic issues.
unidentified		It seems more common sense based versus political and ideological based.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I just think it's funny that Greg Abbott thought criticizing anti-Semitism was like the way to go.
		Because it's hate speech.
		It's like the right has been demanding free speech, but this was a signal to, I guess, like moderate liberals or whatever?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think there's a fear of being considered too soft on people who are perceived to be anti-Semitic and therefore becoming anti-Semitic yourself, right?
		Like, they are trying to fall correctly on the side of this issue when your point is completely valid.
		Like, they can just say this isn't acceptable for this institution, for whatever else.
		They don't have to make it as political as they're making it.
		In fact, I think they're almost making it worse by saying... Yes, it adds more fuel to the fire.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's going to get way worse.
		I just want to mention this.
		I think you're right that the right is kind of fumbling.
		I won't even say the right.
		Conservatives and conservative politicians are fumbling by talking about hate speech, by talking about anti-semitism, etc.
		I mean, there is an obvious strategic win here for conservatives that actually involves talking about our own country instead of other countries.
		When someone comes in here and says that they are Hamas, you go, okay, there are people in the United States of America saying that they're Hamas, okay?
		Like, if we're talking about Affairs in foreign countries where horrific acts of violence are occurring.
		Maybe, maybe that can be for us motivation to figure out who's in our country, who's crossing our borders, what's going on here.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		No, we can't know that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		That would take all the mystery out of the Biden administration.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		We have to be like extremely intensely focused on what's happening in the Middle East.
		We shouldn't be focusing on what's happening at the border.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you know, I think the rights process is really important.
		Like I said the other night, I think that it would be really cool if the American youth rallied for a border wall or rallied for something that would impact domestically, that would help people, that they are going to live beside.
		But instead, this foreign war is basically dominating our news cycle.
		I think it's important that we analyze what's going on.
		On the other hand, it is It is interesting to me that the youth at the most elite institutions in America decided this was the issue that they were willing to do anything for.
		I mean, I was watching interviews with protesters at Columbia today and, you know, their graduation is coming up.
		The schools announced they're going to go fully remote for the rest of the semester or offer online classes.
unidentified		But how long is that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like a week, isn't it?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		It's really, it's not that long.
		It's maybe like two or three weeks.
		They were saying, like, if the university says you can't get your diploma if you're participating in this, would you go without your diploma?
		And she was like, well, this cause is, I'd have to think about it, but this cause is so much bigger than, you know, my diploma.
		It's a small sacrifice to me.
		And you want to be like, and this girl is wearing sunglasses, she's covered, like, you can't identify, I mean, I couldn't identify her, maybe someone on campus could, but there is this, there's a narrative that the people involved in this are having that this is like their big contribution to the world, to It's going to get way bigger.
		During Occupy Wall Street, I'll tell you what happened.
		there is a level of ideological devoutness that they might be willing to adhere to, which
		it makes it concerning that it's spreading throughout the US and seems to be getting
		more chaotic at each school.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's going to get way bigger.
		Yeah.
		During Occupy Wall Street, I'll tell you what happened.
		In the first week, a couple thousand people shot like the- The first weekend, a couple thousand people showed up and protested.
		They left right away.
		That was the first weekend.
		The first week, there was literally five people in the park.
		I was there.
		And we were standing under this big blue tarp in the rain.
		There was nothing in Zuccotti.
		A cop walked over in a trench coat, smiled, and said something like, good luck, and then left.
		And we were like, this is funny.
		And then I asked him, I was like, so is this, is anything happening?
		Like, what are we doing?
		I thought it was fun.
		I was like, you know, being in New York for the first time.
		And they were like, no, it's because everyone's going to be back on the weekend.
		And I was like, oh, OK, cool.
		That next weekend, a bunch of people did show up, and there were big protests and big marches.
		There was no real tents or encampment.
		It wasn't allowed.
		And then during a march, Tony Bologna, they called him, Anthony Bologna, Walked up to four girls who were not in the march and were standing on the sidewalk yelling and sprayed them in the face for no reason.
unidentified		Oh wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then there's a video of them screaming in agony.
		They were just standing on the sidewalk.
		And that video at the time was the most viral video in internet history.
		It got 1.3 million views in a couple of hours.
unidentified		So this is like I'm sorry, what college was that again?
unidentified		This was New York City.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is on Broadway, where this took place, just outside of Zuccotti Park.
		And after this incident, this video goes massively viral.
		You get, I think, SNL or Daily Show, they did a bit called Christopher Maloney from SVU As Tony, Christopher Maloney is.
		Tony Maloney.
		And he's a, it was a bit about a cop who was trigger happy with pepper spray and would go around pepper spraying everybody.
		It was good.
		But that video goes viral and then all of a sudden Occupy, which was a New York protest, turned into a nationwide thing.
		So with these actions, and especially with Greg Abbott saying, it's anti-Semitism, he's basically dumping gasoline on a fire.
		These people have no idea how to deal with mass unrest.
		I gotta be honest, if they did literally nothing, it would have gone away.
		But what happens is...
		New York allows it, and then people start posting videos, it builds attention, then other places start doing it.
		When the cops come in, that's what they're hoping for, so that they can create the propaganda to be like, look, look, help, we're being attacked, oh, the cops are after us.
		Greg Abbott just did them the biggest favor imaginable by saying anti-Semitism will not be tolerated, because now what's going to happen is conservatives are going to say, oh, come on.
		You can't conflate criticizing a country with being anti-semitic, and then you're going to get the left being like, look at this, you see how they're lying.
		Then you're going to get, you know, the right anti-Israel side, and they're all going to be unified against this, and they're going to point the finger at Greg Abbott.
		He is giving them the propaganda they need to rally more people.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think you're right, and this is very difficult for either side to handle strategically, because this is not an issue that really breaks down along party lines the way that issues we tend to see mass protests about, too.
		So, for example, back in 2020, when you had the BLM riots happening, the reality is basically all of the Democratic Party, anti-establishment and pro-establishment, was totally in favor of that movement.
		When it comes to the Israel-Palestine conflict, that breaks down not so much along party lines, but along establishment versus anti-establishment lines.
		And so Joe Biden can't really say a whole lot about this without alienating a large fraction of his voter base.
		And so if this does end up becoming violent, there's a question of whether law and order is going to be enforced or whether they're not allowed to be violent.
		Because we know if the Democratic Party sided with them or the Democratic Party in its totality sided with them, they would literally be able to do whatever they wanted.
		But we don't know that that's the case here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me jump to the story from the post-millennial.
		Mike Johnson threatens to withhold federal funds from Columbia U over Gaza camp while protesters scream, free Palestine.
		If these campuses cannot get control of this problem, they do not deserve taxpayer dollars.
		Are you kidding me?
		It took Israel to get them to finally threaten to pull funding from corrupt universities that are in violation of the Civil Rights Act in so many ways, from racist policies and the DEI stuff to gender, sports, and issues.
		But now that they protest Israel, Mike Johnson personally shows up and says, we're going to pull your funding.
		Okay, good.
		Please pull their funding.
		I hope the protesters keep going now at this point, if it's the only way we're going to get universities to have their funding pulled.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		No, it's completely insane.
		How often is America, I mean, I won't even ask how often, I will just state as a fact, it is Required to trash the United States of America in order to have any kind of social life on a college campus, anywhere in this country, in order to maintain your position as a faculty member.
		You have to, by default, to function in one of these institutions, hate the United States of America and say that you hate the United States of America.
		And now that there are people saying that they hate Israel, we're going to talk about pulling funding?
		These people have said they hate America for decades!
		What was done about it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The deep state must be reeling right now.
		They fund all this woke garbage.
		They put all this money into these alliances.
		I warned this years ago.
		I said, the Democrats trying to court the woke is it's the one ring and they think they're there.
		I'm gonna get the name wrong and piss off Boromir, right?
		Was that the guy who was like, it is a gift, you know, for us to use against our enemies.
		And they're like, no, it can't be wielded.
		You can't do it.
		No one can.
		And like, this is what they thought.
		They thought we'll align ourselves with the woke left.
		And then they love Tick Tock.
		When Donald Trump was saying we got to do something about this, they were like, no,
		no, we like Tick Tock because it was pushing their values.
		And now that Tick Tock is pushing anti Israel and the young people are now staunchly anti
		Israel and rising up in massive protest.
		Now they're trying to pull funding from universities.
		They are reaping what they have sown.
		They funded this.
		We warned them.
		They allowed it to persist when we called for it to stop.
		And now, and now they're mad.
		I'm not going to cry about it.
		I've got no sympathy for them.
		I believe in America First.
		I think we should secure our borders.
		I think we need to bring back jobs into this country.
		I think we need better trade agreements.
		I think Donald Trump had it right.
		He brought auto manufacturing back.
		They wanted to get rid of him.
		They wanted all this garbage.
		They wanted the war.
		And now their foreign policy is being risked.
		I don't care about their foreign policy.
		Israel's a country that can defend itself.
		I agree with that, but I don't see why we're paying for it.
		So if these people want to have a peaceful protest, I can criticize them when they're nasty and they're mean to Jewish people when they are, and that's fine.
		But Mike Johnson to come out now and be like, we're gonna pull your funding.
		I'm like, oh, this is great.
		The deep state and the woke are fighting each other.
		I'm gonna sit back and eat popcorn.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, why are we not ending federal backing of student loans, right?
		Like, there are a lot of ways he could defund colleges, but instead he's only willing to act when it has to do with Israel.
		It's not my favorite look, you know?
unidentified		I have a question, because I went to San Diego State.
		I feel like this is happening at all the Ivy League schools.
		Do you guys think that there's some type of, like, positioning?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Like, if you go to an Ivy League school, you have to have, like, a position on this in order to I think Ivy League universities and a lot of small liberal arts institutions in the Northeast specifically prioritize recruiting students who had a leftist or progressive worldview and they also recruited and encouraged faculty that had a progressive leftist worldview.
		You know, anecdotally, I went to SMU in Dallas, in Texas, and I did have some conservative professors.
		There weren't a lot.
		Typically, professors are overwhelmingly left-leaning in America.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Overwhelmingly.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Overwhelmingly.
		And that's even more true in the Northeast, which tends to already be a left-leaning region.
		And so I think it's twofold.
		I think it's that the schools thought, It's a feather in their cap to have these students that are doing these things.
		And you march for pro-abortion whatever in high school, and oh my gosh, you're for an open border?
		Great!
		This makes us look like we are this loving, welcoming institution.
		We are leaning towards the left ideology that not only do our faculty have, but now we're encouraging it in our administrators.
		And so it just became this echo chamber that did not expect.
		Right, and it's like if a pebble hits your windshield and it shatters, right?
		They didn't realize that there was any way for this to fall back on them in a way that was negative because they don't recognize that there are divisions within their own ideological culture.
unidentified		And I think what you were saying about the BLM thing in 2020 being popular, like I remember Logan Paul jumped on it and all these influencers jumped on it because it was like, well, what's so bad about we just don't support racism and that's okay.
		You know, there was a girl that I spoke to.
		Her name is Lani Sarem.
		She, I think it was 2017 or 2018, when the whole BLM thing was pretty big, she wrote a book and it was on the New York Times bestseller list, but it knocked down the number one book, which is like a CRT book, a BLM book.
		And they took her off the New York Times, said she did shady practices.
		She's the only person to ever be taken off the New York Times bestseller list.
		It destroyed her life.
		I mean, she told me she can't get a loan because people say she's a scam artist.
		And I mean, we already know.
		I think Abigail Schreier that wrote the book about the trans stuff that they won't put on the New York Times bestseller list.
		Anyway, my point is that, you know, that that was everybody went after her because it was like, well, you must be racist because you've knocked off the CRT BLM book.
		But she didn't do any of that, you know, so... Right.
		But it was so much easier for people to jump on that trend.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		And the New York Times bestseller list is biased anyways, I could be wrong, but it's not, like, generated by... 100%, they play all sorts of games.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's not like they, like, calculate the sales and say, oh, you've jumped, like... And she explained it to me, and... In fact... Oh, no, I just wanted to say that the way the New York Times leaves its bestsellers leaves me speechless.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		By Michael Knowles, because his book was a bestseller, and then they didn't put it on the list.
unidentified		Of course.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure if they ever ended up doing that, or if that was ever remedied, but, yeah, they play all sorts of games.
unidentified		Well, and they, if you, you're not supposed to buy your own books, basically, and so if they think that you did, like, let's say they thought you were having a conference and you bought, you know, a bunch of books to give away, all they do is they place a little dagger next to your name, and it basically, most people don't even know what that means.
		Right.
		But they actually took Lani off the list, and she had like 800 articles written about her, how she's this terrible person, and she actually did it the right way.
		She went to like Comic-Cons and stuff, and they pre-sold all the books, so she didn't do it the shady way.
		Anyway.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's an editorial list.
unidentified		But this is how people positioned, right?
unidentified		It was like, well, I don't want to be racist, so I'm gonna support BLM, and that was okay, but this issue is a little bit different, because like you said, it's You're going to piss somebody off.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Right. It's it's it stops being I mean, there are conservatives who are split on this issue.
		There's diversity in thought on the right as well. But I don't think anyone is sort of,
		especially in progressive academia, expected there to be a difference because
		they are out of sync with it's an age thing, in my opinion.
		I think the older, a lot of older Democrats or people who identify as Democrat, they don't realize what's going on in these schools and they don't understand what the youth, how the youth has shifted on this issue.
		And young people are removed from maybe concerns about antisemitism that plagues people of older generations.
		And so they experience this conflict very differently.
		The information they have about it is very different.
		It's much more focused on Palestine.
		And so it's just really interesting to me that, you know, you were asking, like, why is this happening in the Ivy League?
		And I think it's because the Ivy League believes they set the tone for everything that happens in America, and it's just an example of this old institutional elitism that is actually a huge part of the Democratic Party.
unidentified		That's what it is, elitism.
unidentified		Right.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		And this is a big part of the Democratic Party.
		They're the ones who are like, oh, you have to go to college.
		In fact, if you're going to go to college, you should go to the best college ever, the Ivy Leagues.
		And while you're there, become indoctrinated.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And I think you're absolutely right.
		In many ways, this is a question of age.
		I wouldn't even say it's so much the case that younger people don't like Israel.
		That might be the case.
		But I think younger people, at the very least, recognize that you can criticize a country's foreign policy without hating that country, because that's basically what everyone has been doing in their lives with respect to American foreign policy for the past 20 years or so.
		And so, you know, in the same way that I can love America and say I don't love what we're doing overseas, anyone is equally entitled to say, okay, I don't necessarily dislike Israel, but I don't love their foreign policy or what they're doing.
		And so, yeah, I think you're totally correct.
		This is very much an issue of age.
		It's an issue of outlook.
		And also on top of that, I'll add this, people recognize there's like a third layer of not only can you criticize a country's foreign policy without disliking that country, but even if you do dislike that country, that does not mean that you dislike the dominant ethnic group within that country and harbor some kind of racial hatred towards them.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		What about, like, the distrust in the media, too?
		It's like, you don't know where to get the information anymore, and so you're, you know what I mean?
		It's so hard.
		It's like, can anybody just really explain to me what's going on with the media?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		And the mediums where we're getting information are totally different.
		I mean, you are probably the perfect person to talk about this, but the experience of someone
		who consumes all of their news through Instagram, Facebook, TikTok is very different
		than someone who experiences all their news on MSNBC or a traditional cable channel.
unidentified		The ability to discern if an influencer is doing something for clout,
		or like I see Montana Tucker, right?
		I know her very well.
		I think her grandfather was in the Holocaust.
		And so she's speaking about her religion.
		I understand why she's doing that.
		Then there's other people that talk about politics and about these stories,
		and they're doing it just straight for ego.
		This is trending, so I'm gonna talk about it.
		But the problem is people don't have enough information of like who are the good and bad actors out there.
		It's just starting to get really difficult to figure out.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Do you think more influencers are moving into the news sphere to try and like capitalize on a election cycle or something like that?
unidentified		Well, I'll tell you what, there's been a couple articles I read that conservative influencers are becoming more popular with brands, like brands are actually willing to work with conservative influencers.
		And I think that has to do with the fact that, you know, it's not totally a, you know, career,
		you know, suicide basically to talk about Trump anymore or talk about being a conservative.
		There's like the full sun podcast, people like that.
		So it's a little bit cooler, I guess.
		And ultimately brands want to advertise with people that have a following that has adults,
		right?
		And in 2017, the bachelor people, they were the best because if they made an Instagram
		ad, they're like QVC on steroids, right?
		It's like females over the age of 25 in the US and Canada.
		You want, I mean, Jake Paul and Logan Paul back when they were big, you have a bunch
		of 13 year olds that don't have credit cards.
		So you want to have a.
		Uh, adult affluent people that are following you and because it's not so taboo to be conservative, I think we're getting there, uh, that obviously brands want to advertise with those people.
		And so because of that, people are like, well, let's, you know, jump on the conservative.
		Train.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to jump to the next story in the saga.
		We have this from the Post Malone.
		Harvard students erect anti-Israel liberated Gaza camp on campus.
		The story here is actually the video, which I think is really interesting.
		Take a look at this.
		Let's see if we can make it a little bigger.
		Running full speed.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Quickly, as fast as they can, trying to set up tents.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		The craziest camp out.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		Where is this?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		It's Harvard.
unidentified		Oh my gosh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The more media coverage there is of this, the more it will spread to other parts of the country.
		But I also want to show you this.
		And this image, I think, gets into the heart of what we're seeing here and why they're doing what they're doing.
		Ali London says, Palestinian activist appears to realize she has made a big mistake as she verges close to tears as Texas police handcuff her.
		Take a look at this young college student.
		I don't know how old she is.
		She looks super young.
		Super young, and she looks very distressed as she's being arrested.
		She has no idea what she's protesting.
		She's only heard surface-level things.
		She is now being arrested, and the response from conservatives and the police is exactly what the cult was hoping for.
		And I will explain very simply.
		She is now angry and scared, not understanding why she's being arrested or what she did wrong.
		She was told that she was fighting for the good guys.
		The police came and arrested her.
		Well, how can that be?
		She's a good guy.
		Well, it's because the police must be bad guys, right?
		With that fear and anger, when she gets out of jail, and she will, overnight, and it'll be a slap on the wrist, they will then go to her, and not only will they say, see?
		Look what the police do.
		The police are bad.
		You didn't even do anything wrong.
		You're fighting for justice.
		Aren't the police evil?
		They'll direct her fear and anger, which THEY instigated, into her siding with them once more.
		And then...
		They will start to show her all of the posts from people on the right insulting her and laughing at her for being scared and crying, acting as though she had any idea what was going on.
		And they'll say, see, look how evil the right is.
		They're making fun of you while you were doing the right thing.
		That is how the cult recruits.
		So when they're storming campus, when you look at the comparison between the Summer of Love, Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, and the anti-Israel stuff, and you're like, wow, it sure is very similar, it's all just cult building.
		There's no moral issue they care about.
		There's a funny meme I saw where it's, you know the meme of the military guy putting his arms out, protecting the kid?
		It's the military guy going like this, and it's like, protesters, and then the kid in the bed says, the Middle East and the bombs and the knives are still falling on the kid because the guy's nowhere near the kid.
		And that's a good point.
		And then you wonder, what are they doing?
		What is their goal?
		Their goal is to recruit people into their cult who view this country as morally corrupt and evil and wrong.
		That woman will now become an anti-police activist more so than she really was or ever was.
		We've acknowledged on this show that most of these people have no idea what they're protesting.
		We then see a woman like this getting arrested, who's scared and has no idea what's going on.
		The response should be not to make fun of her, but to be like,
		these people are tricking you to get you arrested, to make you angry,
		to entrench you in a world that will cause you harm. We don't want that for you.
		I don't think we on this show are influential nearly enough to actually have that message
		for someone like her, but maybe those who listen might realize this, because I got to tell you,
		you know, even Ali London saying she appears to realize she made a big mistake as she verges
		close to tears. Even Even that.
		Like, imagine you are walking down the street and some guy says, hey, do you want to march for, uh, freedom?
		And you go, yeah.
		And you start marching down the street.
		Next thing you know, you're getting arrested and you're freaking out.
		And all of these people are now laughing at you and pointing their fingers at you.
		You'd be mad at them.
		You'd be stressed.
		You'd be scared.
		You'd be like, why are they attacking me?
		Why are they insulting me?
		That's how they make the cult bigger.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I remember with Kyle Rittenhouse, like, you know, that happened about like, I don't know, a year or two after I got like canceled in the New York Times.
		So I already I wasn't political.
		And then I just started watching that though.
		And it's like, that's kind of what got me to change my beliefs and be like, this is kind of more important to be.
		I guess leaning on the right because I saw how they twisted that story and a lot of people probably went the other way right when they first saw all the news about the Kyle Rittenhouse stuff and how he he killed these people that were peacefully protesting or I don't know you know what the whole narrative was but I think a lot of people probably got on the other side similarly.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		There were influencers that, you know, I knew of because of non-political, you know, like lifestyle or whatever content, who when the Kyle Brittenhouse verdict came out, they were like, nobody talked to me about this.
		He killed innocent black people and this and that, which is like not true.
		That's not what happened.
unidentified		I watched every day of the trial because that is real news, right?
		That's a real trial that's happening.
		Nobody can twist the narrative and you could watch the lawyers discussing it.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		There were people who had an emotional reaction to the story and then closed their ears to any of the details, right?
		They already knew how they We're going to feel about it because of a false narrative.
		It's hard to comment on this picture because, you know, I don't know the video or what else is going on there, but I do think that there are people who will say, like, this just makes me want to double down more.
		Like, I will just become even more disenfranchised and it will drive a certain level of, like, well, I got arrested at this protest so now I should do something even bigger because, you know, this confirms my suspicion that the cops are bad and This is a known tactic for anybody who's been to the, what do they call them, excuse me, direct action meetings.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have described in the past as like three different tiers.
		The direct action activists will meet in secret and it'll be like five or six people that are organizing the protest and they intentionally will be like, you know, no one can know what we talk about, don't bring your phone.
		What they want is They're the instigators.
		Well, the organizers and the instigators.
		They want as many young, dumb college kids to form the mass of the protest.
		They need critical mass.
		Then they have people who directly instigate, and then they're the ones who are orchestrating everything behind the scenes.
		The goal being, their friends, who are given the instructions, will throw things at cops, They'll wait for the normies, who are like, yay, I'm marching, to be in a situation where the cops are agitated.
		They will then walk into the middle of the crowd, crouch down, and throw a water bottle high up in the air so that it lands on a cop.
		The cops then say, okay, illegal assembly, disperse or you're under arrest.
		And then these dumb college kids who have no idea what's going on find themselves being shoved, being hit.
		It's panic and chaos.
		Then there's a mass arrest.
		And then while they're in jail, freaking out, being like, what am I going to do?
		My parents are going to be so mad.
		The cultists who organize it are there and they say, let's sing songs together to get through this.
		So they do.
		I'm not kidding.
		In jail, when there's 50 to 100 people, they'll say, hey, everyone, sing along.
unidentified		Build a community.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		Building a connection.
		Then when these young people like freaking out and crying and mostly younger women.
		They're hugging them and saying, take my number, call me if you need anything, you should totally hang out with us, we're gonna make sure you're okay, now we'll sing songs.
unidentified		Makes sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then after this, they get out and they say, see, we were the good guys the whole time, we kept you safe.
		Even though they were the ones who orchestrated the arrest intentionally to Cause panic in these young people.
		Now, I want to say, from what I know, this chick punched a cop.
		I have no idea.
unidentified		You know what I mean?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why she's being arrested.
unidentified		It is easy to manipulate people that don't have the experience or the background to also see how this is going to affect them in the future.
		Like when you're young, you think that you're the best, that nothing could happen to you.
		You could be reckless.
		And then when you realize that there's consequences to these things, you know, you obviously are wanting the support group, right?
		You want to lean towards anybody that's willing to help you.
		So, I could see that.
		Right.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		And I think it's in part because activism became sort of glamorized, especially over the last couple years.
		There was a level of being able to say, like, I went out and I think about what was the Women's March after Trump was inaugurated, and they were like, I can't tell you how many girls I knew were like, and this is my, we stayed up all night making posters, like, check it out.
		It became sort of this trendy thing to do, but there are very serious consequences to going to protests, especially when you don't actually know everyone who's involved in this and what their intentions are.
		And that's one of the problems with it happening on a university campus.
		I mean, you know, if you're in college, you're probably over 18, you're an adult, so you're responsible for your actions.
		It is interesting that generally we are all acknowledging that this is something they're doing because it's like, oh, well, everyone else I know is going to this thing.
		I don't know how many of them are actually super rabidly dedicated to the cause.
unidentified		Yeah, do you guys, have you, is there a cause that has ever made you want to go protest or want in your lifetime?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		War.
		But I don't think it's effective.
		I think it's meaningless and I think it's manipulative.
		So I was, I was protesting in the 2000s when I was a teenager.
		And then of course they're like, the answer is Obama.
		He's, he's going to change everything.
		They just blew up kids, so.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		What about you?
unidentified		Oh, no, there hasn't been anything.
		I mean, like I said, I'm sort of new into even caring, which is, you know, I'm not proud of that, but at least now I'm being awakened.
		You know, we were talking about the red pill term.
		I think it's taken a different meaning now, but in terms of just kind of being awakened to how things really work.
		It's partially because of what happened to me, and I'm like, oh, this is how the New York Times operates, this is how America operates.
		I mean, when I was younger, my cousin, she lives in Mexico, she said, it's so cool that you live in America because you're able to be an entrepreneur and start a business.
		And she's like, you know, in Mexico, It's so corrupt and people, if you mess with somebody that has power or if you start a business and it's successful and knocks out somebody big, they'll just literally burn your business down, you know.
		Hypothetically, what's the word?
		They'll do it.
		They'll actually burn it down or whatever.
		And so, but so when I lived in America, I'm thinking like, oh, this doesn't happen in America.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		But now I'm starting to see I mean, I think things don't happen in America, quote-unquote, because people are – we're supposed to theoretically have laws in a culture that prevent these things, but, you know, if you have – There's still corruption, though, is what I'm saying.
unidentified		It's just not as obvious.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I think corruption becomes more rampant as all parts of culture fall apart, right?
		Like, if you don't have a strong – if you don't have a strong share of ethics and morals, People's behavior becomes more and more self-serving and corrupt on every level, both in terms of government or business or anything else.
		And it's why when I, you know, the image of the girl who's getting arrested, like there is probably a level where even if she did something terrible at this thing, she feels justified in what she's doing.
		And there is a level where people who are involved have a different sense of right and wrong because they feel justified in their actions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're going to jump to the next story because I'm going to disagree with you on this one.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Go for it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Only a little bit.
		But here's a story from the Postmillennial.
		I wish I was more educated.
		Anti-Israel activists at NYU Gaza Camp admit they don't know why they are protesting.
		Okay, look.
		These are just two women.
		It's not indicative of the entire ideology of every single person there, but this is going massively viral.
unidentified		And let me play the... And what would you say is the main goal with tonight's protest?
		I think the goal is just showing our support for Palestine and demanding that NYU stop.
		I honestly don't know.
		Is there something that NYU's doing?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I really don't know.
unidentified		I'm pretty sure they're... Do you know what NYU's doing?
		About what?
		It's about Israel.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Why are we protesting here at NYU?
unidentified		I wish I was more educated.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I'm not either.
		I came from Columbia.
		I was there up at Columbia and we came down.
		They said NYU's convinced we need our support.
unidentified		So I came down.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I heard there's lots of cops.
		Some people were saying it was getting dangerous.
		But does she know why Columbia's protesting?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, because they're not protesting anything.
		I know, it's so funny.
		It is the cause to latch onto and bored college kids who are part of a cult come out and do this.
		That being said, there are legitimate criticisms of Israel that people have with how they've been handling the war, with whether they're going to go into Rafah or not.
		That I totally get.
		With the civilian deaths, I think, the total deaths have been reported.
		By numerous agencies, and I don't know how legit these numbers are, 34,000, and they lump civilians and militants in together, so I think one estimate is around 23,000 or so civilian deaths.
		There's a lot of things you can be upset about, and you're allowed to be.
		You're allowed to be mad at Hamas.
		You're allowed to be mad at Israel.
		Those are okay, and there are people there who are.
		But most of the people there, I would be willing to bet, have no idea what they're there for.
unidentified		But, like, this reminds me of, like, remember those Jimmy Kimmel men on the street?
		They would ask you something like, who's the vice president?
		But the people like that will never make fun of this because it's so polarizing.
		It's like it will never be a thing where it should be kind of made fun of that you, if you go protest something that you don't even know about, that that's ridiculous.
		You know what I'm saying?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		And there are – I mean, I watched this interview with a protester at Columbia and she's like, we want the school to divest from Israel and anything they do that has to do with Israel.
		And there's a level where maybe they can't totally articulate because the next thing she says is like, and then we want them to divest into something else, something better.
		And she can't really say what that is.
		Again, it's sort of this thing about youth.
		They want action.
		They want it now, but they're not really sure what the action is.
		In this case, it's causing a lot of chaos and destruction for people who don't have a clear set of demands.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why, you know, you asked earlier if there was, like, a cause I'd be willing to protest for.
		And, you know, back in the day, it was war stuff.
		But, uh, any well-intentioned person who can pay attention to what's going on quickly realizes that is not the vehicle for getting change.
		And I'll give you a good example, one of my favorite stories and, uh, recurring circumstances from Occupy Wall Street.
		They liked to march around chanting, Antica Pitalista.
		Anti-capitalist.
		And they would go, ah, auntie, Antica Pitalista.
		If you didn't know what they were saying, because it's not English, then what would you do?
		And I remember I was filming and there was some guy who was going, who was chanting.
unidentified		And he was going, ah, ah B, David Estebadista.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He had no idea what he was saying.
		And I immediately turned the camera and I was like, hey, what were you chanting?
		And he's like, oh, I'm chanting with the group.
		And I was like, yeah, what did you say?
unidentified		And he goes, oh, I just, you know, I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's marching with the group, trying to sound out what they're saying with having no idea what it was.
		The dude did not know he was chanting a Marxist slogan.
		Because many of these people, you're on a march, and you're told the purpose of it is the big banks got bailed out and they screwed over the working class.
		And these young people are like, wow, yeah, that's bad.
		Okay, now come chant Marxist slogans.
		But they don't tell you that.
		They just start chanting these things, get you to chant them, you have no idea what's going on.
		Once again you can see it's the same old same old.
unidentified		Do you think it has anything maybe to do with too like the time that we live in that everybody's so hyper online people are so disconnected from like a community of feeling like they belong and so maybe these like protests is like oh I get to like be around people and interact and and like a sense of community maybe?
unidentified		I don't know.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's something to do.
		People always yeah I mean people are always going to want a sense of community.
		That's just part of who we are.
		And what we're seeing here, and what you saw at Occupy, it's actually pretty normal historically.
		We look at the American Revolution, or even something like the Russian Revolution, and you see those and you think, oh well, I guess in Russia everyone who was revolting just wanted communism, and in the American colonies everyone revolting just wanted a constitutional democracy.
		But that's not true.
		People in both circumstances were revolting because they weren't happy with present circumstances.
		It just happened that certain factions are more organized and were able to use people's distaste with the current system for their own motivation.
		And for better or for worse, right?
		And there's a reason I use two different examples, and it's because sometimes it's really bad and sometimes it's really good, but the reality is when a large group of people get together because they have agreements, they almost never agree on a solution.
		And it tends to be a small, organized minority that proposes and implements a solution.
		Usually it's actually disastrous.
		Usually it's actually disastrous.
		But every once in a while, in history, we have examples of the people who rise to the top actually having good ideas.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		So what do you guys think happens with these protests?
		Like, you know, you mentioned, we talked about this earlier, Columbia's semester is about to end, you know, theoretically, student populations actually disperse from the campuses, they won't have the same critical mass that they do right now.
		Like, does this movement just sort of last through the summer?
		Or is it going to be the next couple weeks really intense, and then go away?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think, what did Columbia has given them an extended deadline saying they're allowed to stay?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they were initially they broke down part of the camp and then they're sort of going back and forth negotiating.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, saying they're not going to call National Guard and they're not going to call NYPD to clear the Gaza camp.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		And it's already been over.
		I mean, NYU basically built a border wall around one of the places that they had that protesters had assembled.
		But again, like I said, these student populations are transient, typically.
		They're not on campus during the summer.
unidentified		Are they all students, too, or is it just like anybody that wants to?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		That's a good question.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a really good question, actually.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		And if they had a big enough encampment, theoretically, more students could be like, yeah, my school's not doing anything.
		I'm out for the summer.
		I'm coming to your encampment over at UT Austin or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There was a...
		An interview on Fox where they asked some guy about what he thought.
		He was a Columbia student.
		He's like, I don't know enough about any of it to have an opinion.
		I just think it's wrong that they're arresting protesters.
		And it's like, there's the virtue signal.
		Even the people there who are like, I don't know what's going on.
		No, this is the student body.
		If you speak out against them, you have shunned yourself at this whole university on TV.
		So yeah, you don't do that.
		That being said, I don't see Columbia Deciding to eliminate their customer base.
		If they, like, this is, this is, it's not so much like, you know, with Occupy Wall Street or BLM, you have protesters in an area with an autonomous zone or something.
		They have to make a decision about whether or not they want the political backlash, whether or not it's going to escalate the protests, who knows?
		These are Columbia's paying customers.
		So what do you do?
		Do you kick them out and then lose paying customers?
unidentified		Interesting.
		What do you think about Bill Ackman and the stuff that he, like, I guess they were like exposing certain students that were on a list or something or that had put their names on a list.
		Do you guys know about that or no?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was a letter that was signed a long time, a while ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think this was last year.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Right after the attacks in October.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, right.
		And it was a letter in support, effectively of, or it was critical of Israel.
		And I don't remember the exact details, but I think it had support for Palestine, conflated as support for Hamas.
		It may have overlapped.
		And then these billionaires basically said... They outed them, right?
unidentified		Or they outed the people that signed it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, the people who signed it, publicly signed it.
unidentified		Oh, okay, okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They said, we're now no longer going to hire any of you.
unidentified		Oh, that's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then they all panicked and started apologizing, saying we didn't realize what we signed.
unidentified		I guess it comes down to what is the accountability for the people that are doing this.
		If there's no accountability, or if they're actually doing something bad, then nothing will happen.
		Or if people actually went BLM, they were like burning things down and all that kind of stuff, and there was still no accountability for that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do we do about this?
		First of all, it's Columbia, so I'm kind of like, Columbia can do what Columbia wants.
		If people who go to the school are being discriminated against, and it's overt discrimination, then I think we've got a civil rights violation.
		And then that actually becomes a matter which the public gets involved in.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But if Columbia has private grounds where you can pay to go to Columbia and then they decide to do what they want, I will just laugh.
		I have no sympathy for the people who fomented this.
		You know, you've got that one professor, that Jewish professor, and I'm just like, Look, man, y'all are part of these institutions that have pushed this ideology while we've been screaming, stop pushing this ideology, and now they're like, oh no, I've caught fire with the thing I've been creating.
		Okay, sorry, I guess.
		Good luck.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's again, I think these institutions are really seeing the fruits of their labor, so to speak, right?
		They specifically wanted and encouraged left-wing progressive, even at times radical, ideology in faculty, students, and staff.
		And at a certain point, they are now facing the product of their own making.
		I think one of the Things that I'm curious about.
		And again, for me, it's really interesting that all the semesters are coming to an end and what will this turn into?
		Because I think a lot of... I wouldn't be surprised if the conversation behind closed doors among administrators is, we just kind of have to wait this out until they move out for the summer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Unless the administrators are like, it's really good this is happening.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's not let anyone realize how much we hate Israel, too.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I think there are... I mean, like, there are professors that have come out in support of these protests.
		Like, it's just...
		It is internal chaos.
		And for me, because I think the university system is really off base of what traditional universities should be, it's sort of good to have them have to re-examine their priorities and their own standards for one another.
		I just don't know that people who have created and cultivated progressive academia have ever considered the fact that they would eat themselves one day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's jump to the next story.
		This is big news.
		From NPR, President Biden signs law to ban TikTok nationwide unless it's sold.
		And it wasn't just that.
		The bill also gives $95 billion in aid to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You literally, you can't do anything without giving billions of dollars in aid to Ukraine.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		It's crazy how they're all linked, you know?
unidentified		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that'd be funny.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like, we have a bill to provide school lunches to children and give seven billion dollars to Ukraine.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's everything, all the time.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		And then when you vote against it, they're like, so you don't want kids to eat lunch?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Crazy.
unidentified		Is this the same bill that was like, last month it was passed through one?
		Yes.
		Okay.
		And I didn't hear that much about the Ukraine and... Well, they put them in one bill.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that was to basically guarantee all these things pass because Congress is corrupt and it's what they do.
		But the component we have here is that TikTok will now be banned unless it's sold.
		And so this is really funny.
		I love this.
		So the reason why TikTok is facing a ban is because of Israel.
		It's because a couple years ago, Donald Trump wanted to ban TikTok because it's pushing far left ideology and things like this.
		But the argument was, oh, it's stealing your data, which I mean, it's taking your data and it's giving it to the Chinese Communist Party in essence, I suppose.
		And the Democrats were like, no, no, don't.
		We won't ban it.
		The Supreme Court blocked it.
		Then October 7th happened and a bunch of content was pro-Israel on TikTok and then a week later it shifted heavily into pro-Israel.
		Many suggested that meant there was an algorithm.
		It was weighted.
		It was pushing pro-Palestinian content.
		Or it could have been organized groups were manipulating TikTok to do this.
		All of a sudden, Democrats now get on board with banning TikTok.
unidentified		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, donors started calling them.
		I mean, this is all true.
		This is all public knowledge.
		It's in numerous interviews.
		Large donors who are Jewish and pro-Israel, so even evangelicals, were calling TikTok, I'm sorry, were calling Democrats not TikTok, and saying, why are you allowing this app to indoctrinate young people in this way?
		Democrats then got on board.
		But my favorite thing about it is all of that is public and true.
		And it's like I've tweeted it probably 12 times.
		But these these Israel derangement syndrome people are like, whoa, look at Tim.
		He's waking up.
		He's figuring it out.
		And I'm like, maybe you should have watched the show when they literally announced it.
		That's exactly what we said when we had the news.
		But this could mean the end of TikTok.
		And I'm for it.
		Don't care.
		Sorry.
		Let me show you this tweet from Nuance Bro.
		He says, I'm going to be petty about this.
		TikTok banned me about two years ago.
		It allegedly wasn't even due to my content.
		They apparently thought I was someone impersonating myself or something.
		I offered to do whatever verification they needed so they could verify that I indeed myself, but they refused and they said the decision was final.
		Pretty sure they just look for any excuse to ban people that aren't leftists, but at the end of the day, it's looking like I'll get the last laugh.
		If they didn't ban me, maybe I'd join others in calling for TikTok not to get banned, but they want to engage in some of the worst censorship of any platform, and then cry about the government doing the same to them.
		Sorry, I have no sympathy.
		And I actually agree with Nuance Bro.
		Now, Lisa Elizabeth, Lisa Reynolds, who actually works here, says, this might be a low IQ post laughing emoji, but- But thanks 1n0 on Lisa.
		But I'll stress, TimCast IRL was banned, and it was because in one segment we were discussing data that showed women in the workplace have the highest rates of depression for all female demographics.
		So like single mothers, married with children, and married with children in the workplace, not working.
		Women who are at work had higher rates of depression compared to all other groups, in any capacity.
		Simply for showing the data, banned.
		And then they make, and it's not the first time either.
		They ban you and you can make a new account.
		And so we've been restricted and censored.
		And I'm telling you, perhaps it is personal bias, but we know that TikTok is pushing like creepy progressive propaganda.
unidentified		You're right about that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They allow some conservative stuff on there, but it is pressure release valve stuff.
		So there's been a lot of people who are like, no, there's conservative content on TikTok, I don't understand.
		I'm like, yes.
		And what they're doing is, 60% is leftist and 40% is conservative.
		That way conservatives feel like they're still here, but they're intentionally suppressing the right and making sure that the left gets front and center stage so that young people lose their mind and cause themselves harm.
		I don't think that should be allowed.
		And although it's bad that they've got warrantless wiretapping on us, that shouldn't be allowed either.
		I'd rather have the United States government spying on me than the Chinese government, because at the very least I can file FOIA requests, I can file lawsuits.
		It's extremely difficult to go up against the U.S.
		government and their surveillance apparatus, but it's impossible to go up against China.
		So I'll take what I can get.
		But I actually agree with NuanceBro.
		TikTok is the most censorious platform followed by Facebook.
		They are the worst.
		And Instagram.
		And I'm supposed to shed a tear for TikTok now that they might get banned unless they sell to U.S.
		interests?
		Sorry, Crimea River.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Also, I just want to mention one thing.
		I do think it's hilarious that they have the option to sell to American interests or to an American company as if that would ever do anything to eliminate the Chinese influence.
		I mean, so much of corporate America is at the beck and call of the CCP.
		Sure.
		Like, of course, it would be better if they were owned by an American company.
		But at this point, I'm just saying, I think it's great to get rid of it.
		I think it's great to get rid of it.
		I'm not I'm thrilled that that clause is even in there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If it's sold to U.S.
		interests, the content will be moderately similar.
		Woke, far-left, psychotic garbage.
		However, it will be a bit more difficult to censor because we will have the ability to sue the owners who are Americans.
		Good luck suing China.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, they ban you, they ban you.
		And now you've got the CEO being like, 175 million Americans are using this app.
		And I'm like, yeah, that's a case for you getting No, exactly.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You're explaining how widespread the problem is.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		China would never.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		They would never allow this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		China doesn't allow the US to run companies in its country.
		Why would we allow China to have ownership control or a stake or a board seat in any capacity that has such a massive influence on our economy, let alone the minds of our young people?
		Yuri Bezmenov, is he still alive?
		He's not alive, right?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He's the former KGB fellow?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's alive?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I was gonna say he's spinning in his grave, so now he's spinning his rocking chair, then.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He's rocking in his chair!
		But no, I would agree with you.
		The Chinese government is not in any way a fan of the United States of America, and we know that they understand the way we think way better than we understand the way that they think.
		No, no, he died a long time ago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He died 30 years ago.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So he's spinning in his grave.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		China has done things like stood in solidarity with George Floyd and the BLM riots and called the American system racist, even though, like, in order to sell Star Wars films in China, Disney has to decrease the size of black actors and their posters, right?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		China's a very racist country, but they also know that racism is something that really tugs at the heartstrings of Americans and that Americans care about.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		They know our buzzwords, yeah.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		They know how to manipulate us.
		The fact that they know how to manipulate us so well, and They're running this service, this social media service, that millions of Americans are using.
		Yeah, it should give people cause.
		And I think, again, it's an argument for banning it to, say, 174 million Americans, whatever the numbers are using it.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		There's a sort of salty post on Axios right now pointing out that the Biden administration, or the Biden re-election campaign, is continuing to be active on TikTok, even though he just signed this bill.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
unidentified		Yeah!
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		It's one of these things that, you know, We talked about Palestine a little bit and there's a division between young left-leaning or progressive voters and older left voters, but I almost wonder if being the president that banned TikTok is going to be just another way that Biden loses the youth vote right now.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I am not necessarily saying that he shouldn't have signed it or that the TikTok ban is bad, I just think that like It is surprising to me that Joe Biden who's trying to be like the cool hip grandpa is now taking away TikTok from these people he's trying to court during an election year.
unidentified		I'm a little torn because I've obviously I basically in 2019 it was when Musical.ly turned into TikTok.
		It's that's when I was representing the biggest tiktokers in the world.
		I represented Charlie D'Amelio, Addison Rae, Charlie, I think, and her sister make $17 million a year.
		And they were just called, you know, high school kids that basically blew up overnight.
		But to see how quickly tiktok has become drunk with power, it seems like I remember in 2019, they were just so happy if I referred them a celebrity that would get on and they would verify just about anybody. And now you're seeing that they,
		and over the years I've seen this, that they are, they do like events for only black creators.
		They do events for only LGBTQ and you know, it's, it's very woke in the sense of that. And then even in the
		beginning, there was like in 2019, there was people I represented that,
		you know, if they, if they danced in a bikini, they,
		they would get banned or they would get you weren't allowed to go live for a
		couple of weeks. And so what happens is like, people start to follow the rules, right? You fall in line.
		Okay, well, I guess I can't post with my shirt off or, you know, with,
		even if you're a guy, so they, they fall in line, but then they also see, okay,
		well, you know, conservatives can't get verified on their.
		Like Joe Pags, he's a big time radio host.
		He has tons of followers and tons of views.
		And he's like, I can't get verified on TikTok for whatever reason.
		And then Evie magazine, Brittany was messaging me because I used to have an in over there.
		Now they don't really pick up my call as much, but I do.
		No, no, TikTok.
		Evie asked me for help because they were they're not able to advertise their I guess it's like anti birth control program or I don't know if it's I don't know what it is.
		They were selling something that was doing well on TikTok.
		And now they got kicked off of the of the shop.
		And I think it's because like either the Washington Post or whoever called in and was like, why is this on TikTok?
		And then they just shut you down.
		I mean, I had a direct access.
		Everybody was nice to me at TikTok.
		And then Taylor Runs writes a bad article and I can't get one person on the phone.
		So it's very much of a class system with the social media things.
		And like, Tim, you're talking about you're experiencing it with YouTube.
		I mean, So many people, I think it's like 86% of people, 13 to 38, want to become content creators.
		Think about what a big population is that.
		And then you're talking about who controls it.
		Facebook or, you know, Meta, TikTok, there's only, it's all these monopolies.
		And I've been paying attention to David Sachs.
		So he has the opposite opinion.
		And I do sort of think it's important to listen to guys like that.
		He's a VC guy.
		He invested in like Facebook, Uber, Airbnb, Smart guy talking to all the people at the top and, you know, he's very much against the TikTok ban.
		So I don't know.
		I don't really know.
		I definitely and then there's a girl that was saying that they're going to start doing class action lawsuits.
		I don't know if that's to the government for shutting down and people losing their income.
		The creator was saying that they don't think that it's going to happen for a long time.
		Like there's going to be a lot of pushback.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They'd lose in two seconds.
		The bill will never actually formally ban TikTok.
		It can't do that.
		It would restrict TikTok from appearing on the app and Play Store and using US servers,
		which means they would simply say the app still exists.
		They're still able to use it.
unidentified		But are they going to tie up this whole thing in litigation for years until-
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, TikTok's going to sue.
		The Supreme Court might even strike this down and say, you can't do this, which is kind of troublesome in essence.
		I mean, China is an adversary of the United States.
		It's tough, I get it, but we can't allow China to have a foothold in our economy this strong, to the point where people would sue the government.
		Like, I'll mention this.
		China controls a portion of our economy.
		It's not a big, well, arguably a big portion with manufacturing, but in TikTok.
		So the U.S.
		government says, okay, this is a problem for us, so we're going to shut it down, and the American people sue the American government to keep China in control of this economic machine.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you have to ask the question, too.
		Let's say this goes to the Supreme Court, and it's argued that this is some kind of First Amendment violation.
		Does anyone in their right mind actually think the reason the Founders penned the First Amendment was so that foreign powers could collect sensitive data on American citizens?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't even care about the data!
		It's sending kids videos of creepy, let's just degenerate behavior, things that will lead them to self-harm, will increase... I don't think it's good.
		However, I do think that should this go through, the end result is, let's say TikTok says, no, we will not divest, you know, ByteDance will not divest, we will not sell.
		The app store and the Play Store.
		Remove the app.
		That's it.
		You can still open up TikTok on your phone.
		You can still watch any TikTok you want.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		People will sell phones that still have TikTok on them.
		No, I'm serious.
		This is like what happened with Flappy Bird.
		People will do that.
		They'll hold onto their phone that has TikTok.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not Android phones. Android phones will simply go to tiktok.us and click download and they're fine.
unidentified		Oh wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the App Store, because Apple is a closed operating system, will not allow you to download
		it through their store. So you'd have to jailbreak the phone and then use an external store.
		But so long as TikTok isn't using US services, you are still allowed to use TikTok. It's not banned.
		So they would sue and they'd say, oh, my business was hurt because of this.
		And they'd say, and what is the problem? It's legislation.
		Congress is allowed to legislate.
		TikTok is not banned.
		You're still able to use it.
		What's the problem?
		The action taken by the government resulted in a smaller audience size?
		I don't think you can sue for that.
unidentified		Well, I think that what makes TikTok so valuable and addictive is really the algorithm that they set up from the very beginning where anybody can basically blow up overnight.
		And I mean, I saw it happen with a lot of people I represented.
		I mean, you had somebody that had 10,000 followers and then Two months later, they had 10 million.
		And so I think what's happening too is even though a lot of the different platforms have tried to copy TikTok and the algorithm, it's like you saw it with Twitter, like to unwind all the code and to like build in what you want.
		It's not that simple.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		It's complicated.
unidentified		It's complex and even I think Chamath and David Sachs were talking about if it does divest like if nobody's gonna go through every line of code and like make sure that there's no like Easter eggs that the Chinese are still in control of or whatever so Yeah, but as far as it being an app that is probably damaging to young people and the way that their brains are forming and all that, 100%.
		But is that something that the government controls or, you know, that we vote on as Americans?
		I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I definitely think that TikTok is ultimately more harmful than it is good for
		Americans.
		The argument that the CEO of TikTok made, especially when he testified before Congress,
		was, well, so many people have businesses and careers that are now TikTok-based, so
		you're actually hurting them economically, and that's terrible, and you can't do that.
		The fact is that we have other forms of social media if you wanted to be an influencer.
		Most influencers aren't just only on one platform.
unidentified		The funny thing is, if you look at the, I think it's TikTok creators, Instagram, they
		were trying to get people to call your local congressman or senator or whatever.
		And all the comments were like, we don't even like you guys don't take care of us anymore.
		You don't pay us.
		Like they were, there was so many influencers, like big accounts, they were, they were turning their back on TikTok.
		And so, um, you know, is YouTube going to become more powerful meta when, if it does get just shut down?
		Yes, but does that give people opportunity to start new things?
		Twitter?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So... The funny thing is, if someone made a social media app right now and just gave everyone fake followers, they'd all be like, oh, TikTok's dumb.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, how do you even verify any of those numbers on any of these social media platforms?
unidentified		That's what we would all ask when TikTok started.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Remember Facebook video?
		So 10 years ago, I'm at a meeting with a big, major cable channel network, And we're talking about YouTube versus Facebook, and I said, well, YouTube's obviously it.
		It's the engagement you want.
		And they were like, yeah, but look at the views you get on Facebook.
		And I was like, but those aren't real views.
		And they were like, it doesn't matter.
		When we go to advertisers and we say, we get a million views on YouTube and 10 million on Facebook, we increase our revenue 10x.
		And then I'm like, how long is that going to, these are not engaging views.
		No one's buying.
		And they were like, Facebook video is it.
		And there was a big scandal where apparently Facebook got sued or something because the video views that advertisers were paying for were, like, not actual.
		So, uh, you know, I'm not gonna accuse TikTok of anything.
		I'm just saying.
		If someone made an app called, um, you know, KitKat.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		TimTalk.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sure, and people signed up, and then all of a sudden it was like, well, I'm on TikTok, KitKat, and Instagram, and I have 10 million followers on KitKat.
		They'd be like, I'm going there.
		Now, you gotta be careful with it.
		If you just gave someone 10 million followers, nobody would believe it.
		Back during the MySpace era, it was really funny to see these bands that were like a random guy, and he had 4 billion plays on his music, and it's just like, dude, you went too far.
		You want to give yourself like 10,000 so it looks like you're an up-and-coming band and then you get the opening act on a tour or something.
		But if you put multi-platinum like, I guess he's going to the club to pick up girls or something.
unidentified		Good luck.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Really troubling, because the way you would usually be able to tell whether the views were authentic was engagement.
		There's just a certain ratio.
		You're going to get a certain number of comments per actual view.
		You're going to get a certain number of upvotes and downvotes per actual view.
		If a video says it has 100,000 views, but then there's five likes and two dislikes, well, it's probably not genuine.
		Don't think you're off, yeah.
		But now that we have AI and these bots are going to be able to be more sophisticated, They'll be able to much more easily fake engagement.
		You used to be able to fake views, but not engagement.
		Now you're going to be able to fake engagement.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to give a shout out to Dave Kross in the regular chat.
		He says, Facebook contributed to the Arab Spring.
		TikTok is, could do that here.
		And that's true.
		And that's why, a big reason why it's a national security threat.
		Whether you agree or disagree doesn't matter.
		The Arab Spring was largely organized through Facebook and Twitter, particularly in Egypt.
		I believe the woman's name was, was it Asma Mahfouz?
		I could be getting the name wrong.
		Used Facebook to organize people to come and protest against the government, and it toppled the government twice.
		So if China has an app with this much influence in the US, Well, good luck, I guess.
		You're going to become a vassal state to the Chinese Communist Party.
		Good luck.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Well, isn't it funny that when social media was used to incite the Arab Spring, you had political leaders like Obama just praising social media platforms as these uncensored paradises and basically suggesting that this is the way for the future and as soon as those same platforms are used.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I'm not talking about TikTok here, but Twitter, Facebook, generally speaking, and particularly Twitter now that Musk is in charge, now that they're being used to give Americans a voice to speak up against our government, now they're dangerous, now they need to be shut down, now we have to be very concerned about what's happening on these platforms.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, to be fair, American platforms are all kinds of messed up and nefarious too, but I think the added element of a foreign national government that has ties to the company's operation is just a risk I'm not willing to take.
		You know, I think TikTok is so interesting because I think it maybe really spurred influencer culture and social media dependence, especially for business, in an unusual way because it blew up during COVID.
unidentified		Yeah, you're absolutely right.
		I mean, that was really the reason Taylor Lorenz, in my opinion, wrote the bad article about me was because at that time, Everything was there was no entertainment happening in Hollywood.
		Everybody was locked in.
		And so I had a bunch of social media stars.
		And so I had like, you know, a golden nugget that everybody wanted.
		And so her talent agency, you know, my opinion, like, that's why she went after me, because I had something valuable, which was these influencers that were creating content on on TikTok.
		But I don't know.
		I think do you think that do you think that Like, these people are allowed to turn up the volume or turn the volume down, right?
		They're allowed to say, you know, you're not allowed to dance around a bikini.
		And I'm not saying there should be more censorship, but is there a reason why you think that they're not turning down the volume on, let's say, anti-Semitism or, you know, war?
		I don't know.
		Like, they decide what they're going to put.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		On all platforms.
		Like, you even look at Elon Musk, right?
		The ADL goes after X, Elon travels to Israel, he comes back, he says, we're going to take this seriously.
		The U.S.
		I don't think actually cares about Jewish people or black people.
		I don't think they care about any of that.
		I think they care about military policy.
		And Israel is a key component in U.S.
		military policy in the Middle East.
		And so they're just like, we can't allow sentiment against this.
		But they're losing that because of TikTok.
		So, when TikTok allows for this massive... I mean, it really is simple.
		When X allows criticism of Israel or antisemitism, the advertisers come down super, super hard.
		What can you do to TikTok?
		Funded by the CCP or external sources, they don't care for the advertiser, they can do whatever they want, they can't control it, so they have to stop it.
		I don't think the issue is Jewish people, I think the U.S.
		is concerned that We're going to have a youth... like, the sentiment in this country among young people is anti-Israel.
		I tweeted this.
		I think support for Israel is done.
		You've got the MAGA side, which is anti-interventionist, many of whom deeply support Israel but are like, but I ain't paying for it.
		And then you have the left populists, which are just like, Israel's evil and they don't want to pay for it.
		Give it 20 to 40 years and U.S.
		military policy in the Middle East is flipped on its head.
		Massive advantage for China and Russia and the BRICS nations.
		So, the Deep State is between a rock and a hard place because, well, they supported it, they ignored the problems, they're super arrogant, and they reap what they've sown.
unidentified		So the platform, though, is able to say, for example, if you talk about gender ideology, you're walking on a... people have gotten suspended, banned, right, on YouTube because they talk about the gender ideology situation.
		And so does that then make it so more people are... so one side, basically, of the argument is silenced and the other is allowed to...
		Uh, grow and be the popular thing, right?
		Um, the fact is we're giving the platforms the ability to shape culture in that way because so many people want to be content creators.
		They say, we got to follow the rules.
		So we're not allowed to criticize, uh, gender ideology and that stuff because YouTube says we're not.
		Um, that's where I think it gets dangerous because who are the people pulling the strings?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If I were going to rank the platforms in terms of free speech, it depends on how reductive you want to get and how small you want to get.
		Gab, for obvious reasons, has a really high free speech rating.
		Minds.com does.
		In terms of the big players right now, Rumble is probably the best, followed by Axe.
		And they go back and forth a little bit, but I do think Rumble is substantially better than Axe on free speech.
		Um, X, for instance, has a misgendering policy, so it's like, what do you do?
		YouTube actually is not as bad as a lot of people claim it.
		Not to claim it is, but it is still, it is a massive leap.
		You go from X and Rumble, and then you're in the gutter of censorship.
		So, I will stress, YouTube is very bad on censorship.
		They're very, very bad.
		I'm just saying, people think YouTube is like, oh, YouTube's so bad they're doing this.
		It's wrong.
		YouTube's bad, agreed.
unidentified		Facebook is insane.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		TikTok is the worst.
		TikTok will censor you in two seconds for no reason, just because they're like, my assumption is behind the scenes, if you run afoul of their narrative, they don't care.
		They don't need to abide by any of the rules.
		There's no contracts and nothing you can do about it.
		They ban you and they laugh.
		Facebook at least has to contend with US lawmakers and lawsuits.
		Facebook is the next worst.
		And then I would say Facebook and Instagram, and then YouTube.
		And so if we were doing like a scale of like, One being the worst censorship platform and 100 being the
		best platform for free speech.
		Rumble is probably like a 93, Axe is like an 85 or 80.
		And then YouTube is 23, Facebook is 15, Instagram is similar, and then TikTok is a 2.
unidentified		Two years ago I got banned for a month for going live and just explaining the lawsuit
		against Taylor Lorenz in the New York Times.
		And the reason was for harassment and bullying.
		And I'm like, what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me let me jump to this story.
		This one's funny from NBC News.
		Metastock plunges 15 percent as company plans to invest heavily in artificial intelligence.
		I also want to shout out the typo in the headline there.
		I wonder if they fixed it yet.
		And nope, they still have not fixed the Hevli-eye.
		So here's the funny thing.
		On TikTok Ban Day, you would think that MetaStock would skyrocket.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's tanking.
		I don't know what the estimated loss is, but it's massive.
		Actually, let me see if I can pull up the MetaStock so you can actually see the massive drop-off.
		Here, take a look at that.
unidentified		Whoa.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a big dip!
		From 493 down to 411.
		That is massive.
		That's what, like 20, almost 20% in a day?
		Is that what it is?
		Over the past five days?
		Oh, okay, so this is after hours?
		Interesting.
		So we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna see what happens when this, they're not giving us the actual numbers, but there were a lot of members of Congress who bought a bunch of metastock right before they all voted to ban TikTok.
		Yep.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's actually really funny.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so this kind of feels pretty good because, you know, I see all these reports and it's like, here's a list of members of Congress who bought stock in Meta just before voting to ban TikTok.
		And it's a lot of people and it's a good amount of money.
		And then when the ban happens, Meta stock plunges.
unidentified		And I was like, I can't believe that's allowed for them to do that, to be able to buy the stocks and all that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why they're all millionaires.
		That's why they're all super rich.
		That's why their salary is $174,000 a year, but half of them are millionaires.
		Or more.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		And for the most part, they don't care that it hasn't changed, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who's gonna vote against it?
		Who's gonna vote to ban what makes you rich?
		It's like, we're all here in this room, it's like, who wants to vote to take away all of our sodas and shut the show down?
		Like, no, no, we're benefiting from it.
unidentified		Exactly.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I mean, look, if our politicians were intelligent enough, economically speaking, to have the kinds of stock portfolios that they have with the income they have, there would be no excuse for our economy to look the way that it looks.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think you're right.
unidentified		Well, I've got to tell you, I watched your episode where you were first talking about the YouTube thing and I was like, I really got to tip my hat to you, Tim, because, you know, it seems like you took it on the chin and you have, you have plans and you have people that, you know, some of these TikTokers, I see them and I'm like, why aren't you focusing on other platforms and getting the email addresses and all that stuff?
		It's hard to run a business when you're totally at the mercy of a platform.
		You're building and doing all these things.
		I would be a lot more stressed out about it, but you just seem to move forward.
		And that's inspiring, I think, because it's not easy to build a business like this.
		And I know because I've been in the industry for a long time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think people go to Congress because they feel like... There's very few people go to Congress because they want to make things better.
		I think they're mostly just slightly below mediocre people who are like, I am just so awful, the only way I will ever matter is if I'm in office, and they're forced to know my name.
		And so that's Congress.
		It's not being funny.
		It's mediocre people, they have limited skills, and they're like, all I have to do is... Look, it's real simple.
		You put on a jumpsuit, you slap the stickers for all the corporate brands that are sponsoring you and funding your candidacy, and they say, hey, we'll give 50 million to your super PAC if, not 50, but like if you're a member of Congress, we'll give you 2 million to your super PAC.
		Just, you know, don't forget us.
		We got a bill that we will want you to put through.
		And then when they're in Congress, what was it, who was it that was telling us, was it Matt Gaetz mentioning this, that you have to pay money to get your committee seats?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		That was Thomas Massey, I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think that was Matt Gaetz.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure, but a congressman came and told us this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Oh, I know.
		This was on the Culture War show.
		It was two former staffers.
		Lisa Reynolds actually was on that show.
		And they were talking about how Matt Gaetz went in and said, I want these committees.
		And they were like, OK, well, then you've got to give us money.
		And he said, what would I get if I gave you a check for $500,000 right now?
		And they're like, oh, you can have any committee you want.
		And that's how the game is played.
		So you have a lot of people.
		I think Matt's great.
		I don't lump him in with these people.
		But you have a lot of people who are just like, you've never heard their name.
		They're in Congress.
		And they're mediocre people who are like, well, I'm worthless.
		Maybe I'll just suckle the teat of the corporate political arm and do as they say, and then people will put my name in the history books, and then they'll get their name written on stone or something, and that's why they do it.
		Then they go, and when it's time to vote, they're like, don't know, don't care, whatever the corporations tell me to do, whatever the intelligence agencies say.
		Look at Mike Johnson, man, that guy's a disappointment.
		Mike Johnson's like, well, I went into the confidential, secure confidential room with the Deep State and came out and now I'm going to do literally everything they say no matter what.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Do you think the effort to oust him is going to work?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's the point?
unidentified		Do you guys think that the TikTok ban or the thing forcing them to divest, do you think that all these people in the government have been briefed by the NSA and CIA and that we'll never know any of the reasons why they all got on board?
unidentified		It's why it's so bipartisan or is it something else maybe more nefarious?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like why they got on board with the TikTok ban?
unidentified		Yeah, because it's a bipartisan thing, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because of Israel.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But this is public knowledge.
		This is not a secret.
		There's no conspiracy.
		After October 7th, there was a bunch of pro-Israel content on TikTok.
		A week went by and it shifted dramatically towards pro-Palestine, which many researchers said, and this part's speculative in opinion, it looked like a weighted algorithm that TikTok either intentionally did this or Foreign countries launched an influence campaign intentionally promoting pro-Palestine content, targeting young people.
		And either way, whether TikTok did it on purpose or foreign countries were launching these things to generate the sentiment, the U.S.
		had no control over it.
		Donors started calling Democrats saying, ban this app, don't allow this.
		And they said, OK.
		And then Democrats got on board instantly saying, you got it.
		Whatever you say, big donors, and it is now they want to ban TikTok.
		Trump's the Trump faction and Republicans wanted to ban it because it's promoting degeneracy and it's it's promoting basically Democrat policies.
unidentified		It used to be that we were very much in tune with like the government.
		Well, maybe not always, but you know, at least I did is like the government knows better about what's best for me, like for the FDA, like something to get approved.
		Like I don't have the sophistication to be able to say, okay, yeah, the Chinese
		have my information and how that is damaging and, and all the different things. But I think
		with, with COVID and everything else, it's like, we don't have the same trust in those
		institutions. And so it's also like, I don't, I don't actually know who has the best interest if they are
		banning it, because this is bad for the information, or if it's you get what I'm
		saying.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		The trust in the government is low and so you – basically everyone is serving their own interests and I think that's probably true.
		I mean there are people who would be on either side of this issue for their own reasons or for reasons they're not disclosing and presenting themselves as being the good guys.
		I mean I think ultimately this is always the gamble with – you know.
		Having any sort of collective government, you know, you have to send someone to represent you and that person has to hopefully have good morals and make decisions that are just.
		What bothers me about all of these bills is that they tend to roll so many things into them, right?
		I think we should vote on AIDS separately.
		I think that this TikTok thing should have been added.
		I think it's very strange.
		There was one of the senators who was talking during debate earlier this week, was mentioning the fact that, you know, the chambers are supposed to go on recess soon.
		So they're saying like, well, we're kind of on a deadline.
		We can't amend this again because then we have to send it to the House, but the House would go on whatever.
		Like, this is not how lawfare is supposed to go.
		Yeah, that's one of the reasons.
		There are a whole bunch of things that are happening that, as the average American voter, you don't have basically the space to run your own life and also be like, well, I've got to stay on my congressman so he doesn't try and pull something nefarious by scheduling a vote at a time when there becomes this deadline.
		And so I think it's a rough time to be an American voter and saying like, well, I don't know where I stand on all these issues, but also I don't know that I can trust everyone who's involved in making it happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's funny though is like 200 years ago, or not even that long ago, let's say like 120 years ago, you're a member of Congress, you'd have no idea what they were doing.
		They'd go and they'd hang out and they'd just be like, whatever, yes, no, maybe, I don't care.
		And then people would just be like, oh, I hope they're doing it.
unidentified		Before social media, you mean, too?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Before radio.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Before radio, like when we were still getting our mail delivered by the Pony Express.
		You know what I'm saying?
		There are so many advances in technology that actually make it easier to keep an eye on what's going on.
		In some ways, it makes it almost more bizarre that we are watching in real time all these kind of crazy things happen.
		When you get, like, what was it, the border security bill, but it wasn't actually the border security bill at all.
		They kept calling it the border bill in the media and then it was actually all foreign aid and they're like, also we could let this many thousand illegal aliens in every year.
		Like, we are able to fact check faster and to catch these things.
		On the other hand, it doesn't dissuade any politician from carrying on business as usual.
unidentified		I find that discouraging.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well then, shall we go to Super Chats?
unidentified		Yeah!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Before we do, my friends, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with all your friends, and head over to TimCast.com, click join us to become a member.
		That way you can watch the uncensored members-only call-in show, which will be coming up at 10pm.
		And I would say to all of our detractors, Have you an issue?
		Well, why don't you actually join the Discord, argue with people, and submit questions, and call in, and make your beef loud and heard by all.
		And we'll actually have that discussion, because y'all are welcome to do that.
		The big issue, however, is that we face censorship.
		That's right, from YouTube.
		And while we are currently discussing things with top men...
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		Now we'll read your superchats and, uh...
		If YouTube allows me to, actually.
		Oh, you know what?
		I have to read this one first.
		It just came in.
		Because it's for Seamus.
unidentified		It's not for Seamus, but I have to read this one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, let's see.
		F the Magician says, the same people that shouted punch a Nazi are now chanting from the river to the sea and death to Israel.
		Seamus, there's a cartoon in there somewhere where, like, either there's a time machine involved or they're just marching down the street chanting death to Israel and then punching themselves in the face.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh, yeah.
		Well, as we all know, right, this charge of being a Nazi or whatever else they'd label you with was never actually sincere.
		It was just an excuse to do violence against you.
		If I call you that, then people can hurt you."
		Or you could do...
		Yeah, yeah, there could be something there.
		There could be something there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You could do basically an homage to that bringing back the World War II soldiers to the future
		one.
		Oh my gosh.
		And this is Antifa calling...
		They use a time machine to bring themselves from ten years ago to the future.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
		That would actually be really good.
		Yeah, that'd be awesome.
		We brought the time machine back in a couple cartoons recently.
		One where they brought Hitler and Stalin back, so maybe they'll keep using it.
unidentified		How long does it take you to make one of those full feature things?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		So we do at least one cartoon a week.
		We do at least one cartoon a week.
		And I have a fantastic team and all of us just really grind to get it done quickly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It takes him like 20 minutes.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		He's just really lazy.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		It's always the night before they all start.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		They don't work on it during the week.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's just the final 12 hours.
unidentified		I'm just always curious about all the pieces that go into it.
unidentified		But I'm sure writing it is the first thing.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the best cartoon, uh, Seamus ever did was when Tim Pool threatened people who didn't buy chickens.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		That was amazing, that was a really good one.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That was a really good cartoon, thank you.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And it was real, I mean, it was just audio I took from you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He took audio from my show where I was like, buy a chicken, maybe you do, maybe you don't, you'll regret it, or something like that, and then, uh, it's actually... Okay, I gotta go back and look it up.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You guys gotta check that one out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was me basically saying, like, If you buy chickens, you'll be happy and outside, but the way it sounded, Seamus turned it into me torturing a guy.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Because you're like, you know, if you don't buy, like, you can either have chickens or you can be surrounded by a mom.
		I can't even, I want to, I want to find, I can't remember what I named it.
		It's like Tim Pool threatens you or something.
unidentified		Do you have like, do you have like different ideas of like what they could be?
		And then you get around with your team and you're like, which one does everybody like?
		And the chickens won one.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, no, I mean, we're just always like, what are we doing now?
		What do we do now?
		Because we have to make them so quickly to keep, yeah, yeah.
		And I just had this idea and I was like, we need to make this.
		It's called Tim Pool Out of Context from Freedom 2.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Did you say you have a podcast where you and your team talk about how you decide what to make or how you go through the process?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		So behind the paywall, after we finish a video, we'll usually record a short podcast on how we made it, what the process was like, the parts we enjoyed, the parts that were difficult, and we just sort of let the audience in on that, or we let the paying members in on that.
		FreedomTunes.com.
		That's cool.
unidentified		That's cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I hung out with them.
		We gotta read some Super Chats.
		Sorry about that, dawg.
		Stephen Says says, first to like, he beat Clint Torres, and that's likely because we launched the show a little earlier on YouTube today.
		Wow.
		Dick Nemo says, Boomers tell you to pull yourself up by your bootstraps but neglect to mention they stole your bootstraps and also put you in debt before you were born.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Ouch.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		You know, I don't blame all boomers for it, because many boomers gave a Star Trek The Next Generation and Deep Space Nine, you know.
		Voyager's okay.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if we could calculate the cumulative student loan debt of all of the protesters involved at the Columbia, you know what I mean?
		Like, every single one of those people, I mean, not all of them, probably are getting really fantastic scholarship based on all sorts of great merits, I'm sure, but a lot of them took out huge loans and are now like, we hate this school, we're gonna protest.
		Maybe you should just drop out and stop paying them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, Alpha Turkey says also, USC has gone remote for classes tomorrow.
		I'm sure the schools are super excited.
		They're like, how much money do we save by going remote?
		And they're like, oh, it's like 30, $40,000 a day.
		I mean, actually, how much do you think it costs?
		Probably Columbia is probably a hundred grand a day or some ridiculous number, right?
		With staff, yeah, staffing, janitors, electricity, the cleaning supplies, the groundskeeping.
		They're probably saving, oh, I mean, like, food, right?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		If you don't have students on campus, you don't have to serve meals.
unidentified		This is in order to prevent what is going on right now?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Or to deter further escalations.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I think some schools are starting to announce preemptively, like, don't protest here, we'll have consequences, we're going online, but... Alright, Brian Egan says, getting tired of lefties claiming binary gender is a social construct that we just made up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, that isn't exactly what they're doing.
unidentified		Agreed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're making up tons of genders.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's projecting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Emperor Champion says, why do so many judges act like they have the power of God and anime on their side?
		Oh, wow.
		Seems like they think they can do whatever they want.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Has he been watching Judge Matt Walsh?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was funny.
		I've only seen clips, but I don't know much about it.
		Someone tweeted that Matt Walsh tried to enforce the death penalty on someone in one of the cases or something.
		I don't know.
		But it was clearly a joke.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		That's hilarious.
		I saw a couple moments of it.
		I thought it was pretty funny.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen it yet, but I guess it's just absolutely satirical.
		He's just goofing off.
		There was one clip I saw that I commented on where he's talking to a woman and she mentions fully nude strip clubs and he's like, fully nude as opposed to what?
		And it's just like, oh heavens me, you wholesome Met Walsh.
		He does not know that there are different kinds of strip clubs.
		And then he's like, well, I was raised by two loving parents, so I have no idea, and I'm like... He's correct, but I also had two loving parents, and I suppose, growing up in a different environment, there are... This is an actually important distinction to be made.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Uh-oh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are strip clubs where women aren't allowed to get naked in any way.
		They're called bikini bars.
		Women are on stage with stripper poles, and they have to wear thick, firm undergarments.
		So they're basically wearing swimwear.
		They strip their clothes off, they dance on the pole, but they're totally covered.
		Then you have topless bars, where it's illegal in some states for women to take their bottoms off.
		So, you know, you can see the top, but you can't see the bottom.
		And then you have some states that allow fully nude, but it's not everywhere.
		I think, like, South Dakota is fully clothed.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		And some of them change based on the alcohol, like if you serve alcohol.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Someone was telling me this in Colorado.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The reason this is important is because people not knowing this, when that child was dancing on stage and taking his clothes off, and it was stripping, we talked about this years ago, people were like, no, no, he's just removing an upper layer of clothing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because they're preying upon the ignorance of the average person who doesn't realize that's actually most strip clubs.
unidentified		I'm glad you brought this up because recently I saw that girl, Nala Ray, with the red hair that left Only Fans for God.
		And while I heard you say that, you know, this is good that we're kind of getting away from debaucherous ideals and going more towards, I don't know, faith-based stuff, but I know what the back end of OnlyFans looks like because when I was basically left almost destitute, somebody was like, why don't you represent OnlyFans, girls?
		And I was like, well, I've never even been on it, so I don't even know.
		You know, so show me how it works.
		And I saw the back end, somebody that makes, you know, 200 grand a month.
		She's like, yeah, I just hire chatters.
		The actual girl is 10 steps removed from it.
		She gets to take the pictures and la la la, but then there's somebody.
		I was on the back end and I saw the messages that the chatters have to deal with.
		I mean, they're humiliating, they're gross.
		You think about the men that are cheating on their wives, they talk about how they're cheating.
		I'm like, if I had to be a chatter, the toxicity that it would bring to my life, it would be devastating for me.
		And I just had two hours of that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This should be illegal.
unidentified		It's fraud.
unidentified		Agreed.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Not just for the fraud reasons.
unidentified		I spoke out about Nala, and I said, because she painted this picture as though, you know, she didn't talk about the chatters and all that stuff, and she also said that, oh, well, this is how I make money now.
		I go live on TikTok, and I talk about God, and I'm very modest addressed, and this is how I make my money now.
		What that message is saying to somebody that maybe wants to leave OF is, uh, yeah, you can absolutely be a content creator and be a, you know, get attention and do it this way.
		And you're going to be able to make money.
		The reality is that, um, that girl Nala Ray has not gone live on Tik TOK in four months.
		So how, how did she, how can she say that that's how she makes money now?
		That's a lie.
		You don't have to lie if you want to get people to go to God.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you have, on OnlyFans, and I think everybody realizes this, or a lot of people do, you're not talking to the woman.
		You're talking to staff.
		And it's often guys.
		I think that should be fraud.
unidentified		It is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's fraudulent.
		You are saying, hey, give me money, you can talk to me.
		But then they're like, okay, talk to this guy.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're catfishing, basically.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, that should be illegal.
unidentified		And why wouldn't you want to expose that when you supposedly left for God?
		Is it because in case you go back to it, you don't want all your customers to know that you were defrauding them?
		I don't know what the motivation is, but it's like, you don't... And I always say this to people that want to be content creators.
		It's like, just be honest, be yourself, accept your faults.
		Remember 8 Mile and Eminem when he... Oh, when he disses himself?
		Yeah, he's like, of course I live in a trailer with my mom.
		I mean, that's how you should be.
		You should just be authentic because then nobody can come back and call you a liar or whatever.
		But it's like, you know, I always question influencers that package a story so perfectly that it seems, and then you find out why it's disingenuous.
		And there are people that can get damaged from stuff like that.
		Like I was telling you earlier, the parents of her and all that that she disparaged.
		So anyway.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Jimmy says, can you reach out to AJ from the Y-Files to get on your show?
		Also, shout out to Rise with Roberto Jr.
		You know, I've been drinking so much Appalachian Nights.
		I'm gonna get some Rise with Roberto Jr.
		It's also very, very good.
		And I miss it.
		It's bright.
		It's got a little bit more caffeine, I guess, because it's a lighter roast.
		All right.
		Jason Dixon says, call that Fallout phone number from the TV show, then text them.
		It's a real number.
		They will even send you a V-card for your phone.
		It's hilarious.
		Also, promote the Discord.
		Become a member at TimGuest.com and hang out in the Discord, because there are people there and they do shows.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		The Discord is so active.
		It's wild.
		They're always doing something.
		I feel like they have a whole, like, other culture.
unidentified		I feel like I'm a boomer.
unidentified		I need to get in on the Discord stuff.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm afraid of our Discord.
		I've done a couple things where I've been on and, like, I'm just such a boomer.
		I don't know how to navigate it, but they're cool.
unidentified		They're working really hard.
unidentified		There's just so many things, but I actually want to get in on it because I feel like it'd be fun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I certainly think it's dangerous territory if a bunch of dumb college kids are chanting that stuff and you decide to start arresting them.
		I certainly think the line would be the woman who screamed that she was Hamas.
		At that point it's like...
		Okay, so be it.
		Now there's going to be an investigation into any criminal activity.
		And if that criminal activity advanced any of Hamas's goals, and if it does, I feel like you have no choice but to charge them as if they were Hamas.
		Because then what?
		When actual Hamas shows up, you're like, well, you know, we can't charge them because we didn't charge them.
unidentified		It's like a slippery slope.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If someone swears their allegiance to Hamas, it's like and Hamas is recognized by the government as such.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I do believe it is it is dangerous.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And shouldn't And have murdered civilians, and yeah.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, shouldn't we treat that as serious?
		Like, that's one of the other issues, is like, she can scream that, become a viral moment, somebody out there is like, yeah, nice one, but like, I think we should treat it seriously if you're publicly being like, we're all this terrorist organization.
		Like, that's not a good look.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		If there was some, like, white nationalist group that carried out a mass shooting, right?
		And then some protester said that they were part of that group.
		I mean, how do you think that would be handled?
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Very differently.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The text vet says, Abbott did this because we have elections next week here in Texas.
		This was him trying to appeal to the pro-Israel voters.
		Instead, I expect many more blue votes will come out.
		Interesting.
		Very interesting.
		All right, we'll grab some more.
		Shake and Bake says, YouTube is preventing me from posting my message, so I wrote this one to tell you about censorship.
		Very interesting.
		Well, okay.
		Sorry to hear about that.
unidentified		YouTube is stupid.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We will grab some more.
		Here's a good one.
		William Montgrain says, please pray for Israel and Gaza.
unidentified		Amen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we want peace.
unidentified		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Gso59 says, oh sure, because 18 to 25 year olds are just kids and don't know any better.
		When they claim they themselves are terrorists, they can't be held responsible for themselves.
		No, I agree.
		It just depends on what they do.
		Simply saying it, I don't think is enough to do anything.
		But if they actually do something illegal, then it's advancing the goals of a terrorist organization.
		I don't see why we would ignore that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, how is that usually handled?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Like, you'll have rappers saying that they're a member of a gang, but then they're not prosecuted because they go, oh, well, like, they're just being artistic, they haven't said they participated in a specific crime, they weren't threatening to.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I mean, it would be like if Columbia were to be like, oh, we've identified that student, we're going to be investigating this, maybe.
		But like, there's not really anything you could do at this point.
		I just think generally, it is something that Like saying we are Hamas or we are whatever, you know, organization that is recognized as a terrorist group shouldn't be something that our youth develops as like a catchy slogan.
		I think that's bad and it's concerning that they're like so casually being like, no problem, I'm ISIS.
unidentified		Yeah, some people don't even know that being 18 means that you're a legal adult.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		And I think they're encouraged not to.
unidentified		I mean, yeah, when I manage the kids, they're like, oh, yeah, we need somebody to be here, an adult to be here when we turn on the, you know, electricity.
		And I'm like, you guys are all over 18.
		You're an adult.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mike Spencer says, Jewish people are 0.2% of the world population.
		Why are they 95% of the news?
		Why they have their own word for discrimination?
		Am I allowed to say this?
		I would love to break this down for you.
		First, there are many words for small percentage of the population.
		Trans people, I think, make up what, probably 0.2 or less, actually, of the world's population, and they have the word transphobia.
		Gay people make up substantially a small percentage of the world's population, and they have their own word as well, homophobia.
		There are a lot of groups that have words that describe calling out that particular group.
		The 95% of the news think, ooh, this one's my favorite.
		There are these memes people post where it's a bunch of people who work in media and they put stars of Davids on their head.
		And the first thing they'll say is, yes, it is a fact that John Stewart pointed this out exceptionally.
		There are a lot of people who are Jewish who work in media.
		And when, if someone points that out and they're called anti-Semitic for saying it, all that does is make things worse.
		Because people can plainly see there are a lot of people in media, in Hollywood for instance, who are Jewish to the point where people in Hollywood make jokes about how Jewish it is.
		That being said, there was one, a lot of these are fake.
		One had Luke Rudkowski on it with the Star of David.
		I'm dead serious.
		These people, they post these things and they're just screwing with you because the core element of their argument is quote-unquote Jewish privilege, which means literally nothing to me.
		I do not care your religion.
		I do not care your ethnic background.
		I care about if you're doing work and you're doing good things or you're doing bad things.
		So on this show, for instance, people have complained that like 20% of the guests are Jewish.
		And they're like, why is that so high, Tim?
		And I'm like, because they're conservative.
		Like, that's it, because conservatives want to come on the show.
		And I'm like, but also think about the messaging for many of these people.
		America first, not wanting to fund wars overseas.
		I'm like, what do you disagree with?
		And why does the fact that they're Jewish matter at all?
		It's the weirdest thing.
		I'm just, I literally, I think it's weird that you have these identitarians, be it anti-white or anti-Jewish.
		They basically, the argument is privilege of a specific group.
		There's too many people running the banks.
		There's too many people in media.
		And I'm like, you know, if you changed, if you took everything they said and replaced Jewish with white, you'd get woke activism.
		Identically.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Also, I mean, are they suggesting that you are intentionally selecting your guests on the basis of whether they're Jewish?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the funny thing is, Cassandra MacDonald is the one who does all of the booking, and she's tweeting up a storm critical of Israel non-stop.
		Cassandra, what are you doing?
		Yeah, I don't care for the privilege argument.
		Like, there are too many white people who are doing this, who are doing that.
		The funny thing is, when Ye came on the show, and he was saying, who is they though, and all that stuff, on that show we pulled up the CEOs of all these big banks, and they're all Irish guys.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, that is extremely, that is extremely bigoted.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Got anything to say for your people over there?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's the word for being bigoted towards Irish people?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Probably like, hiberophobia or something.
		No, that is extremely offensive, and I would appreciate it if you didn't smear my people in that way.
		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And the funny thing to me about the anti-Israel, like, staunchly, like, Zionist, you're a Zionist, you're, you know, they call you a goy and stuff.
		Yeah, it's just like...
		The argument that the U.S.
		is being secretly controlled by Israel, and I'm like, guys, it's not complicated.
		The U.S.
		controls Israel.
		It's not the other way around.
		The U.S.
		is engaging in military intervention in Syria, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Ukraine.
		We are doing these things not because one tiny nation, Israel, is telling us.
		We are funding Israel because it's advancing our interests and our goals.
		But there are people who are absolutely convinced it's the other way around, and I'm like, Oh boy, that would basically negate all of the other military operations the U.S.
		is engaged in.
		It makes a little sense.
		But hey, this isn't to say you're not allowed to criticize Israel.
		In fact, I encourage people to criticize military operations.
		I think war is bad.
		But let's get back to the Super Chats.
unidentified		We should be able to criticize anything if we're doing it during the bounds of the law, right?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, you can criticize anything.
		They're just bad people who want to censor you.
		All right, Project Editan says, Lord Spoonanon's color-changing laptop lid is distracting AF.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Who is he talking about?
		Does someone have a color-changing laptop lid?
		Oh, is that what he called me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Okay, because I don't answer to that name, so you can keep looking at it.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Also, it's a blame on me that this makes total sense laptop lid.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I've never thought about that before, ever in my life.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I've never thought of it being a lid.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's, again, a screen.
unidentified		Yeah, a screen.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		A screen is what I would think.
unidentified		That's funny.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		But you do use it to close your laptop.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		By the way, my Amazon account, I'm an Amazon influencer, and a couple days after I went on your show, and I was talking about the OnlyFansGirl, my account got terminated, and I don't know why, really.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		And that's the thing about all of these big tech companies, like if you get shut down and you're like, please explain to me, they're like, no, we won't.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		We have all of your data and we can hold you hostess forever.
unidentified		I sent an email to Andy Jassy.
		He's the new CEO and I'm going to start tweeting at him if they don't help me out.
		But I obviously didn't, they said it was malware.
		So it could be people, it could, I didn't like post malware links, but it could be people that don't like me, my opinions on the internet or whatever that they can.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		We just don't know.
unidentified		They can put your link.
		Yeah, you don't know.
		Or maybe I made a mistake.
		Who knows?
		It's a mystery.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I kind of doubt it, but you know.
unidentified		It's a whole revenue stream that is now gone.
unidentified		And so that's why it's, it's just, it's hard to be a creator these days, but everybody wants to do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Marian Holtzman says it's up to parents to censor their kids' access to the internet, not the government's job.
		The government will use this to censor your channel too.
		Why can't you see this?
		S-M-F-H.
		They won't use this to censor my channel.
		National security letters already exist.
		They've already censored my channel, as in, YouTube has.
		This bill has no impact on that.
		This is what I don't understand.
		But I do appreciate the super chat.
		What I don't understand is why we have this...
		This TikTok divestment bill, which literally doesn't ban TikTok, even though everyone calls it that, and I get it's the colloquial name, it would result in it being banned from U.S.
		services, but it would still be allowed to exist and operate in the U.S.
		Just the servers would have to be hosted overseas, and you'd have to go to TikTok.us to use it.
		So imagine everyone saying, oh no, they banned TikTok, so I'm going to open up my browser and go to TikTok.
		Yeah, it's not banned.
		It's just a foreign server.
		They're not saying you can't access the United States.
		They're not IP banning it.
		None of that.
		It would still literally just go to the website.
		It's there.
unidentified		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So what the bill would do is it would require U.S.
		services not to work with TikTok.
		So that's it. So that means tiktok.tv, or whatever, to the loo. And you'd still be able to go to the website, your
		account would still exist. Everyone would just have to use a
		website from now on. And that's not even hard. You can create a
		shortcut for your phone. So the app basically exists. The weirdest thing. But more importantly, for the longest
		time, it was in this country, the belief that it should be illegal to allow children into a porn store.
		But for some reason, because of the internet, the argument now is, no, no, no, it's the parent's job.
		If a kid wanders into an adult bookstore, that's the parent's fault.
		The guy working at the store should allow the child in.
		What?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		No!
		What?
		As if we're such a pro-family society that we delegate everything to the family and to parents.
		I mean, we have social safety nets for basically everything to the point where we've totally usurped the role of the family.
		But then when people say, hey, it's actually kind of difficult to prevent my child from being brainwashed by these extremely well-funded social media algorithms.
		Can the government do something?
		We go, well, isn't that your job?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a cartoon for you.
		It's, uh, it's CCP guys wearing, like, communist clothes on the street corner, like, looking around.
		And a kid walks up, and they're like, hey, kid, hey, kid, wanna be a communist?
		And then there's a guy, and he's like, I think we should stop allowing them to do this.
		Hey, hey, hey, hey, it's up to the parents to decide.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		It's up to the parents.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This guy's luring kids into an alley and giving them the little red book, or whatever.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		No, it's so disturbing.
		It's so disturbing, right?
		Like, here's the thing.
		It is also a parent's job to make sure that their child doesn't eat poison, okay?
		But we still have regulations to prevent food distributors from creating poisonous foods.
		Look at that.
		Look at that.
		Parents having a responsibility does not mean we don't also need some kind of social fail-safe.
unidentified		Well, the carrot on the stick is fame, and we're living in a society that has a deep fame addiction, and kids do not feel validated if they do not get the likes or the views, and it's creating little baby narcissist sociopaths, I think, that grow up to be extremely insecure.
		And that's why I think that people need, if you're going to be an influencer, if you're going to be a content creator, you can't be driven just by your ego.
		You have to at least stand for something, you know?
		But when you stand for something, you have to be prepared that people are going to try to shut you up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, Ian Birch says, Hi Tim and crew, our cat Seamus passed about a week ago after 15 great years.
		I'm glad to hear you mention Seamus and what he's got going on as it reminds me of our cat.
		Also, hi Seamus, glad to see you're back.
		The new studio must have spoons.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I haven't seen any spoons here.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Except for the last part.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		So, the last part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have plastic spoons here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Actually, we have really nice, you know, stylish spoons.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You do?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they're all engraved, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It says, do not take Seamus.
unidentified		Do not remove at Seamus.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't do that.
		I would not do that.
		I would never do that.
		You know me.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I would never do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know me.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You know I wouldn't do that.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		You know me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was funny because last night after the show, Seamus the cat's walking up, and I said something like, Seamus!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then I hear Seamus just walking in and saying something like, I'm gonna put that cat down.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I would never say that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I was like, well, you should know me.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I would never say something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I said, you shouldn't have picked him up.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, no, and I was like, why am I holding him?
unidentified		Getting hair everywhere.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		Two Seamuses were looking at each other.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		They're both deeply confused.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And then we locked eyes, and I was like, he's not so bad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, the first time I walked in, I was like, two Seamuses?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was like, who's who?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		And then we got into a fight and rolled around, and then you couldn't tell who was who?
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		I was like, Tim, it's him!
unidentified		It's him!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, at first, it was because Seamus Coghlan was scratching the back of my couch.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		He's known to do that.
		He's just like, you know, he's a little bit feral.
		He's not like used to being in houses, especially nice houses.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, click join us, become a member because the members only uncensored show is coming up in a couple of minutes, where you can call in and talk to us and our guys, it's gonna be a lot of fun.
		And so support our work, but follow us on x at TimCast.
		It's my account, but it's going to be important for the future.
		And also Rumble.com slash Timcast IRL and subscribe to this channel.
		Ari, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified		Yeah, just thank you for having me.
		I'm finally like able to talk and, you know, if you guys can follow me at Little Miss Jacob pretty much everywhere and my YouTube is LittleMissJacob.tv.
		Thanks for everybody's support.
		It's been really fun.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		My name is Seamus Coughlin.
		I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
		If y'all want to go over there, check out my video.
		We're going to be releasing one tomorrow.
		I've been very happy with the content lately.
		I think we've been making some funny stuff, so if you guys enjoyed what I had to say, you enjoy the cartoons, please go over to freedomtunes.com, become a member.
		You'll get a bunch, a bunch, a bunch of cartoons that are only available to members behind the paywall, and you will also get to watch our Behind the Paywall podcast where we discuss how we produce these cartoons.
hannah claire brimelow ▲ ● ▼		I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
		I'm a writer for SCNR, that's Scanner News.
		I'm really grateful to be a part of that team.
		I'm glad that you could join us in studio tonight.
		If you want to follow Scanner's work, which you absolutely should, you should follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
		If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at hannahclaire.b and I'm on Twitter at hcbrimlow.
		Bye, Serge!
unidentified		Bye-bye, y'all.
unidentified		Allergies suck.
seamus coughlin ▲ ● ▼		Let's get to that after show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll see you all over at timcast.com in about a minute.

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