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Judge Dismisses Illegal Immigrants Charges For ATTACKING National Guard w/Tony Shaffer | Timcast IRL
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tim pool
you so we all remember that story where a wave of criminal
aliens attacked the National Guard to storm their way into the United States
The judge has now dismissed the riot charges against all 140 illegal immigrants, saying there's no real probable cause to charge these people with a crime.
And if you want to bring a charge, you're going to have to prove that to a grand jury.
So it just seems like there's no border, I suppose.
These people are literally on camera attacking National Guard and they said there's no probable cause to justify this.
I suppose the argument is, well, how do we know?
The individual himself!
I suppose the issue is, if they are illegal immigrants, why are we pausing, questioning whether or not they committed a secondary crime when they're already illegally entering the country and should be deported?
But that's what's happening, so we'll talk about all that.
Plus, we've got news for the Trump trial.
This one's fascinating.
They're basically saying that this is a trial not about the hush money payment itself as falsifying records, but of election interference.
Because Donald Trump was conspiring, in fact, to suppress information that was negative about him.
And that's not illegal.
But they're arguing it was interfering with an election.
Let me just break that down for you.
What they're saying is Donald Trump doing PR Interfered in the election.
That's the argument they're making.
That's why Trump is being charged.
And the Gaza anti-Israel protests are expanding into more universities.
Funding is being pulled from some big top donors.
And it's going to be real interesting how these universities react.
Columbia, it seems, is siding with the protesters.
They're going to lose a lot of money because of it, but I don't think they want to lose their customer base.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Tony Schaffer.
tony shaffer
Hey, good evening everybody.
Good to be here.
Thanks for having me, Tim.
tim pool
Who are you?
tony shaffer
What do you do?
Well, I'm a retired spy, believe it or not.
My Bond moment is actually in the International Spy Museum.
You can Google it.
And I spent 30 and a half years doing skullduggery for the Department of Defense.
And having fun doing it.
So it was a great time.
And don't thank me for my service because you paid for it.
So thank you for paying for my service.
That was great.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
That should be fun.
Thanks for hanging out.
Seamus Coghlan is here.
seamus coughlin
I'm Seamus Coghlan.
I am back for round two.
I create cartoons on YouTube.
If you guys want to check out Freedom Tunes over there, I think you'll enjoy those.
We released a cartoon last week that people are enjoying.
It's Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens debating on the Whatever podcast over whether Israel or Palestine has a higher body count.
Go over there, check it out.
If you like what we're doing, Go to freedomtunes.com.
You'll get to watch a behind-the-scenes podcast with myself and my team, where we discuss how we're able to create these cartoons so quickly.
phil labonte
Right on.
tim pool
Hannah Clare's hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
I'm happy to be back.
Phil Labonte's here tonight.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte.
I'm the lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains.
I'm an anti-communist and a counter-revolutionary.
Serge.
seamus coughlin
Yo, I am here.
Hopefully everything works tonight.
unidentified
Let's go to it.
tim pool
Hopefully!
All right, well, here's the first story.
We've got this one from the Post Millennial.
Judge dismisses riot charges against 140 illegal immigrants accused of rushing the border in El Paso.
Quote, I don't believe there is probable cause for these individuals to continue to be detained for the offense of riot participation.
Which basically means they're being released as well.
On Monday, a judge in El Paso, Texas dismissed the cases of 140 illegal immigrants charged in connection with a border riot that took place when the illegal immigrants stormed border patrol agents at the U.S.-Mexico border.
All 140 still face federal charges stemming from their illegal entry into the country.
Though most illegal immigrants are given a court date some years into the future and released into the domestic U.S., the Biden administration often offers free flights for these individuals to cities and states across the country.
Now I suppose the argument is, how do you know this particular individual rioted?
And that's the argument that happened in DC in 2017 when the far left rioted during Trump's inauguration.
They asked the police, how do you know that individual right there was part of that group?
And they were like, well, we arrested him in the group.
And they're like, but you don't know what they did.
It must be just a humble man wearing a black hoodie and a mask and black jeans.
And it was a coincidence they were there.
So the police tried getting them on, and the DA tried going after them for conspiracy.
And the courts ultimately ruled, you can't charge an individual for the actions of an amorphous mass.
And that's basically what's happening here.
Because the illegal immigrants invaded the country by force, attacking National Guard, a single illegal immigrant can't be charged for it.
So they're allowed into the country, they will be released, and their charges will be dropped.
tony shaffer
Tim, can I ask you a question?
unidentified
Yes, of course.
tony shaffer
Were any of them cannibals by chance?
Just out of curiosity.
tim pool
We don't know, but I would assume.
tony shaffer
Not that you could charge him for that, but it's just a curiosity.
Just saying.
hannah claire brimelow
We don't even charge them for entering the country illegally, let alone rioting at the border.
We wouldn't charge them for anything because this is how the Biden administration handles illegal immigration into this country, despite the fact that it costs the average American worker tens of thousands of dollars.
I mean, it's such a slap in the face of the average American to see this come up.
seamus coughlin
You're right.
Not just the workers, but you look at the crime that they end up causing.
You look at lives that are taken unnecessarily because people who were told not to enter here and disrespected our country's laws every step along the way are allowed to stay.
tony shaffer
So was there any video at all?
Because it looked like they videoed everything.
Shouldn't that be admissible?
It's like, hey, these guys really were, you know, wearing masks.
I don't know.
Were they wearing masks during that?
tim pool
Many of the people who attacked the guards were wearing masks.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And so the argument then becomes, well, how do you know that was him?
tony shaffer
Yeah.
tim pool
And so, of course, non-citizens have due process rights under the Constitution, same as everybody else.
So you can't charge them with attacking the National Guard and illegally invading the country.
illegal and illegally invading the country.
I love this quasi-warfare reality that we're currently in where Ukraine is not the US versus
Russia because the Americans that are fighting there are fighting there privately of their
own volition and US troops aren't actually fighting, they're just providing intel.
So we are not at war.
And then you have citizens of a foreign nation attacking our National Guard at the border,
as individuals.
So there is no- There's no invasion.
hannah claire brimelow
Don't worry.
tim pool
Yeah, just millions of people pouring through the border.
seamus coughlin
It hasn't been formally declared.
January 6th was an insurrection, right?
But this is not an invasion.
tony shaffer
No, they're just coming to shop at Walmart.
That's all.
They're just coming.
They're Walmart shoppers who are masked because they don't want to get any sort of infections.
tim pool
Well, you know, the reality is they are.
One of the interviews during the migrant caravan a few years ago, the LA Times asked one of the migrants in the caravan why they were coming and he says, I miss Buffalo Wild Wings.
And I was just like, there's Buffalo Wild Wings in Mexico City.
hannah claire brimelow
Sounds like he's seeking asylum to me.
That guy really needs our help.
tim pool
They got B-dubs in Mexico City.
I went there.
It was great.
seamus coughlin
It's cruel and unusual to not allow them to go to Buffalo Wild Wings.
tim pool
You're right.
tony shaffer
Or Mission Barbecue.
phil labonte
It's remarkable.
tim pool
And that Mission Barbecue is also good.
phil labonte
We can sit around and make all these jokes for like five minutes.
The world's burning down!
And we all know that there's not going to be anything done with the border with the current administration.
And if they get re-elected, if the administration gets re-elected, nothing will be done.
And the American people generally agree Right?
Like, Americans broadly are like, if you have people coming to the country illegally, we should stop them.
We should say, you can't come in.
seamus coughlin
There are like, what, 300,000 in one month?
We ended up breaking our previous record of 200,000 in a month?
phil labonte
10 million in the past four years or something like that?
seamus coughlin
It's complete insanity.
phil labonte
I don't know for sure.
hannah claire brimelow
They say something like 7 million, but you know it's not that.
Even still, it's outrageous!
7 million is the compromise number, and it's not good.
phil labonte
Yeah, the idea that that is not an outrageous number, that the government just sits there and says, well, I mean, it's what happened, and it's not our fault, even though they got into office and repealed all of the, or, you know, got rid of all the executive orders that the previous administration had just because Because it was the previous administration and not Donald Trump was enough reason.
It is absurd, ridiculous.
The entire government is clown world.
It's so exhausting.
tony shaffer
I want to hit that because I actually talked to a DHS official today on the drive out here to wherever we're at.
Just saying.
So during this conversation with him.
He said that there are members of DHS who recognize what we're saying to be absolutely correct and factual, that this is a clown show.
But they're being held back by those appointees who were appointed by this administration.
So, you know, as a former guy who was, you know, a sworn civilian and military officer, there are people like me who want to do our jobs.
The problem is The politicians, the people who are appointed above them.
And that's why you see this.
And until something is done to remove them from their ability to influence the permanent bureaucracy, you're going to see this.
And by the way, Tim, you know, I mean, we all know it's like New York is fed up with this.
I talk to folks up there all the time.
They can't ride the subway.
So I think it's a matter of time before their own side, your former side, I guess, really gets upset and says, enough's enough.
But it's going to take something to say, you know, we got to do something about it.
tim pool
I do think regular people are starting to snap.
Scott Pressler mentioned this the other night.
Unregistered voters are leaning towards Trump.
So the Democrats are putting out these messages being like, stop registering voters.
They're more likely to be Trump supporters.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Well, I mean, look, one of the issues that Trump campaigned on most successfully last time he ran, or I should say the first time he ran when he actually won, was the border issue.
Right?
And they've done everything within their power to make it worse.
hannah claire brimelow
And since then, I mean since 2020, they're saying we've let in the population of New York to the country.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh.
hannah claire brimelow
And that's not even an accurate number.
We all know that.
It's closer to 10 million.
seamus coughlin
It's way more.
tony shaffer
So I live in a very real county in North Carolina.
The whole county is 14,500 people.
That's the whole county.
And it's very poor.
And I'm on the Social Services Committee.
I'm running for County Commissioner, just saying, if anybody wants to vote for me in the county.
But in the county, the minorities there feel that they are being deprived of resources they should otherwise get because they see, like us, all these resources going to the illegal aliens.
I mean, when you're talking about people who could barely pay for their heating bill, that they have to have special programs, and they see people coming here and getting, you know, 15, you know, $2,000 a month for their family.
unidentified
Right.
tony shaffer
They're fed up.
And this is the left's board.
I mean, they're Democrats.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
An open border is an elitist position because the people who are most adversely affected are typically people who live on or below the poverty line.
tony shaffer
And they devalue the value of labor.
That's why I can't believe that the left is not upset.
The unions aren't upset because the more illegal aliens you come in, the more you devalue a unit of labor in any market.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony shaffer
And it's like, where is anybody who actually understands what this does in a way of damage to the... But how much of it is just headline chasing, right?
hannah claire brimelow
They want to be the party that's like, we were the most welcoming.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
Well, you're right.
It's completely backwards.
These people come into our country without any identification to work for wages that Americans won't accept.
And the unions go, they have a right to work.
It's like, they won't let an American citizen... They try to push for these laws that make it impossible for an American citizen to be able to Work without a union in certain sectors, and then they're willing to allow people to just flood the country and take whatever job they want without any kind of registration, totally off the grid, no social security numbers.
tony shaffer
It's not any job.
Nancy Pelosi said if they don't come, they won't pick our crops, remember?
tim pool
Was it Kelly Osborne?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, who's going to be cleaning your toilets, Donald Trump?
tony shaffer
That's right.
tim pool
Yeah, there's a lot of dignity in that statement.
hannah claire brimelow
So much respect.
seamus coughlin
But no, it shows you how they see them.
It shows you how they see them.
They're pawns, ultimately.
hannah claire brimelow
And they're here.
I remember having this conversation when I was in high school, someone saying, well, they're just jobs the American workers wouldn't do.
tony shaffer
That's not true.
That's true.
seamus coughlin
That wage.
tony shaffer
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
And also at times, there are times that it inhibits, uh, technological innovation, right?
Like if you think about agriculture workers, job labor that you could, you know, sell out cheaply to people who are not here illegally, who you don't have to hold to, you know, safe working standards.
Technically you could potentially have other innovations come in and solve this, but instead you're perpetuating these terrible systems.
tim pool
We talked about that new Atlas robot from Boston Dynamics.
Have you seen this video?
tony shaffer
No, I haven't seen it.
tim pool
It's this like creepy humanoid thing that like spreads its legs and like stands up and then its body spins around and it walks towards you or whatever.
And the joke I made was watching these like androids they're building.
You know, I can't wait to fight one of these robots while my friends are scavenging for food in an abandoned gas station and I'm trying to buy them time and then we all escape into the sewers and flee.
But thinking about it now, what's really going to happen is, if one of these robots costs $50,000, then these companies are going to be thinking, a single Android for $50,000 is going to operate for 5 years.
So that's $10,000 a year.
That's way cheaper than any human.
And what's actually going to happen is there's going to be Neo-Luddites.
I think it's absolutely true.
seamus coughlin
You know, when we examine this through an economic framework, it's easy and I would say accurate and worthwhile to point out the fact that these people are driving the cost of labor down.
But it's a lot more insidious.
This narrative that the left has pushed on immigration for the last several decades, that these are just people who want to come here and do jobs that we won't do, like again, not only for reasons that we've pointed out is that not true, but it's just not the case anymore.
More than half of the people who pour over the border are not from Mexico.
You have no idea where these people are from, you have no idea what they want to do.
Yeah, there's a lot of human trafficking going on.
This is not even about somebody adjusting market equilibrium with respect to wages for labor.
This is about trafficking.
This is about human trafficking.
This is about people from nations that are hostile to our interests at a time where there is intense turmoil on the global stage just entering into our country.
We have no idea what they're doing.
hannah claire brimelow
But Seamus, that's how we'll solve our birth rate problem.
That's what makes me crazy.
It's so open, like population replacement.
unidentified
100%.
hannah claire brimelow
And again, all of the Americans who are trying to keep the system together pay for this.
seamus coughlin
I mean, it's terrible.
tony shaffer
It's disgusting.
seamus coughlin
It's disgusting and it's evil.
tony shaffer
What was the name of that robot again, Tim?
hannah claire brimelow
Atlas.
tony shaffer
So do you think, would you sign, would you all join me in doing a petition to require that they bring Atlas robots in to replace the entire cast of The View?
I think that would be, and that would last for 10 years, it's a cost cutting, and they can't be any less.
tim pool
It'd be great actually.
tony shaffer
I think it'd be funny.
tim pool
It would just be GPT pretending to talk to itself.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tony shaffer
That's what you got now.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I think that makes it too strong.
tim pool
But you know, it would be comparably the same show because GPT's training ends in 2021, so they would be equally as ill-informed.
seamus coughlin
Oh, man.
That's true.
tim pool
That's true.
tony shaffer
That's a good one.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
This is speaking about what's going on with the border.
We got this tweet from Thomas Massey.
You may have seen the video.
Rep Thomas Massey posted a video of the U.S.
House of Representatives under the direction of Speaker Mike Johnson.
Democrats celebrating his total capitulation with no victory for securing our border.
And here is a video of all of these people in Congress waving the Ukrainian flag.
Yes, they're all very, very... That's breaking the House rules, by the way.
tony shaffer
You can't fly a foreign flag.
tim pool
Really?
tony shaffer
No.
phil labonte
Well, here's what's fascinating.
tim pool
Thomas Massey tweets, instead of fining Democrats for waving flags, the House Sergeant at Arms just called and said, I will be fined $500 if I don't delete this video post.
Mike Johnson really wants to memory hole this betrayal of America.
Now, Mike Johnson tweeted, he doesn't agree with the fine, and he's going to put in a good word.
But it is shocking to see our representatives flying the flag of a foreign nation as they vote to send our money to a foreign country, unjustified, while our border is in crisis, while our country is dealing with inflation issues, while our country is dealing with healthcare issues, while our country is dealing with gas prices, jobs, all of these problems that need to be solved.
seamus coughlin
Absolutely.
And it goes so much deeper than that.
You can say, honestly, calmly, not even bombastically, as a blanket statement, quality of life has not approached what it was in 2019.
And everyone knows it.
Everyone knows it.
Just five years ago, life was far easier for people.
You're getting to the point where even very wealthy people are having trouble maintaining the standard of living they used to have.
They talk about goods getting cheaper.
Country clubs are cutting corners.
What about poor people?
What about people who are already struggling to afford food?
This country is in a horrible position right now, and we're just giving what else we have left away.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and it's going to get worse.
One of the senators during debate today pointed out that the Social Security Fund is going to run out in 10 years.
Our Highway Transportation Trust is going to run out.
in 2028.
Again, I don't even know that the federal government should have these things, but if you're the left and you say yes, federal government should pay for all of these things, how can you also say we're going to send all of our money away as opposed to deal with these things that are specifically designed theoretically to address domestic problems?
seamus coughlin
It gets even more frightening, right?
Because one thing people will look at when we talk about the national debt is the debt-to-GDP ratio, which is fair.
It's an interesting way of looking at things.
But at some point, when your debt gets bad enough, you just have to look at whether you're capable of taking care of the interest payments each month.
And the interest payments, if rates rise to historic averages, like 6%, I mean, it's going to get to the point where a massive percent of our budget is literally just going to be going to paying off the interest on the national debt.
I mean, we are in serious financial trouble here.
tony shaffer
Well, don't frighten me.
I start Social Security payments this November.
seamus coughlin
I never start them, sir.
We never have them.
hannah claire brimelow
That's the thing.
tony shaffer
I'm going to get mine.
hannah claire brimelow
It's just a myth that I heard about one time.
unidentified
Congratulations.
hannah claire brimelow
I hope it's great.
unidentified
Me too.
seamus coughlin
Me too.
tony shaffer
I'll let you know.
I'll let you know.
No, but point to your point.
It's like, we are spending $8 billion a day Eight billion dollars a day.
And we're like only appropriating about four billion.
So that's six billion we're printing every day.
Six billion.
And to that point, it's like, Tim, I've watched your stuff over the years.
I'm fundamentally not against military spending because I think most military spending is useless.
Much of what I've seen spent You know, when I was in Afghanistan, I would walk into this tactical operations center, and literally wall to wall are these $10,000 a pop plasma TV screens.
Like, really?
Is this going to help us kill the Taliban better by having all these really cool screens?
And that's what's going on now.
That's what's going on with Ukraine.
So all this money we've seen, $300 billion.
Think about that.
$300 billion.
What could we have done to create high-speed trains, improved airports, Student debt, all these things which I think are clearly American issues are being ignored, and yet we get the Ukraine flag on the floor of the House.
seamus coughlin
It's like we're being invaded, right?
Their flags are everywhere!
hannah claire brimelow
From every direction.
tim pool
I would rather give that $300 billion to a random guy.
tony shaffer
Yeah!
tim pool
In the United States, just like- I'll take it.
We just spin the old Social Security, you put all the Social Security numbers in a bucket, you spin it around, you grab one, you go, uh, John Smith!
Three hundred billion dollars to you because at least you'll spend it here, I guess.
seamus coughlin
Tim, I would rather give the presidency to a random person.
Same thing.
Spin the wheel.
I'm fine with it at this point.
unidentified
Agreed.
tim pool
There was like some poll, they were talking about Fox News, that the DNC did like Focus group tests on Kamala Harris and everyone hates her.
And the funny thing about the story is they needed to do a focus group to figure that out.
tony shaffer
Did they ask Willie Brown?
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like they're doing it to try and defend themselves.
They're like, no, if we just ask the right people, it'll be like, her numbers are getting better, but they just get worse and worse and worse.
I mean, can you imagine being that deeply unpopular and you're the vice president to Joe Biden?
unidentified
It's rough.
tony shaffer
Well, she has taken the office to a new level of high that the high is so high, the high is so high that we are amazed at how high the high is.
As a matter of fact, the high is so high, I am amazed at the highness of the highness.
seamus coughlin
She's so high.
tony shaffer
So high.
seamus coughlin
She's so high.
But no, I hear you on that.
I want to touch on the point you made about military spending there.
I mean, the Pentagon fails its audits all the time, as you pointed out.
You'll see ridiculous spending.
And I did an educational cartoon on this a while ago for the Foundation for Economic Education on just examples of insane amounts of money we spent on things.
And you look at it and you go, okay, was this money actually spent on that?
Or was the money being laundered and hidden and sent somewhere else?
I don't know.
But what I will say is this.
You have to build some trust up with the American people at this point, right?
I mean, the military has not exactly, and I mean the military leadership here, has not exactly done what they've needed to do in order to make the American people feel as if they're going to, A, protect them, and B, spend their money wisely.
And we're just shipping money to other countries, and it gets to the point where everyone knows it's a racket, and they're sitting here, they're doing it, and they're laughing at us.
The question is, what are people going to do about it?
tim pool
There have been these stories periodically where it's like the military says, we don't need any more tanks and then Congress is like, more tanks!
seamus coughlin
Give them more tanks!
tim pool
We're spending the money because we got to spend the money somewhere.
tony shaffer
So, but I know Lloyd Austin.
I was in combat with Lloyd Austin when he was a one-star general.
And I can tell you based on my experience, Lloyd Austin is a guy who's going to go along with Whatever the mainstream wants him to do, and that's part of the problem.
You don't have Schwarzkopf's who are willing to say, you know, enough's enough.
I'm a Reagan guy.
I'm still friends and mentors with Ed Meese and other Reagan folks.
Reagan was the only president I know of that actually funded a strategy.
In 86, he got to the point of where he sufficiently reached what they felt they needed to overwhelm the Russians, and they cut the defense budget.
That's the only president that's ever done that.
And it's like, that's what we should be doing.
It's like, how do we actually play 5D chess and not just simply spend all this money and hope for the best?
hannah claire brimelow
You don't think the Secretary of Defense should just disappear?
seamus coughlin
Well, you make a really good point.
tony shaffer
He did disappear.
hannah claire brimelow
He did disappear.
He disappeared without telling anyone, including the White House, because that's how functional the Biden administration is.
tony shaffer
I told you guys his new nickname, right?
Zippity-Doo Dads?
tim pool
Oh, did I say that?
We should invade the United States.
phil labonte
That's a great idea.
seamus coughlin
I think their borders are border.
That's my radical position.
I think we should secure it.
tim pool
I'm like, we could do some nation building in the United States.
tony shaffer
That'd be fun.
phil labonte
Someone tell the United States federal government how much oil the United States has.
unidentified
That's crazy.
phil labonte
They're going to be taken over.
hannah claire brimelow
Tell them that we're trying to secure Mexico's northern border.
tony shaffer
I want to invade Alaska.
I'm ready to go for the King Crab.
tim pool
I want to mention this.
seamus coughlin
You made a point.
I can't speak to the specific general you're talking about.
I'm not familiar with him.
tony shaffer
He's currently a SecDef.
Lloyd Austin.
seamus coughlin
So, everyone I know in the military has basically said that officers essentially get to the point where they become politicians, right?
And that's a massive problem in our military, is these are people who are basically acting the way that a standard American politician does, which as we know isn't well.
And I'm curious what you think about a potential solution to that problem as someone who's actually worked within the system.
tony shaffer
So there are officers with integrity.
I've advised and worked with a number of them.
seamus coughlin
Oh, no doubt.
tony shaffer
The problem is that the system, the more power you have in a system, the more the system tends to corrupt people.
And a lot of people like George Washington was a rare general by the fact that he walked away from being the continental army chief and walked away from being president.
It takes someone who understands their personal limits and the ability to kind of rein themselves in.
We really don't have that.
And so when people get into uniform, I'm going to get in trouble for saying this, but I'm just going to say it.
People who get into senior positions in the military have to become politicians because their job becomes, especially their generals, not all generals, Blaine, just saying if you're watching, that generals tend to then become extensions of the corporate state that Eisenhower warned us about.
Military, industrial, congressional complex.
And that's how it feeds.
tim pool
I got that romantic view of the military.
You ever see the movie The Patriot with Mel Gibson?
tony shaffer
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Okay, so he's like a retired dude, and he's got a family, and his kid gets killed, and then he basically goes to a high-ranking guy who knows him, and he's like, if you'll join me, we will have you, and just writes him a commission and hands it to him, and then you have a legit guy with actual experience who's coming back to teach, to lead, and to win, and then you have, today, Politicians trying to look good on camera, fit the corporate press narrative.
And it's not so much about being an effective leader in defense.
And it's more so about, it seems very bureaucratic and managerial.
It's just filling out the paperwork and getting the points on your name and all that stuff.
seamus coughlin
We also need more trans representation in the military, of course.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, how would we, you know, secure our borders without it?
seamus coughlin
How are we supposed to win a war?
How are we supposed to win a war?
tony shaffer
Did you guys know this?
I'm aware of this by direct knowledge, not personally.
I'm not transitioning, just saying.
By the way, maybe that's an idea.
Maybe the SecDef should transition, like lead the way to being, you know, trans.
I mean, he kind of already got cut down there, just saying.
I guess it would be kind of an easy thing to do next.
Anyway, my point being is, did you know that you could enlist, Tim, not that I think you'd want to become Other than you are.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, they cut your hair, man.
tim pool
They shaved my head.
They cut a lot of things.
tony shaffer
Do you know that they now are using conversion to trans as an incentive?
tim pool
A recruitment tool.
tony shaffer
Yeah, recruitment tool.
I know people who are involved in that transition process.
And by the way, once you're in, you can't deploy.
tim pool
But is it really?
tony shaffer
No, you can't.
You're not usable.
tim pool
Are you kidding?
tony shaffer
You're on drugs.
You've been cut.
The things don't ever heal completely.
unidentified
You can't be used in the military for a purpose of military purpose.
tim pool
Which branches?
tony shaffer
All branches.
tim pool
Even the Marines?
tony shaffer
Yes.
Wow.
The Marines, I think, are more reluctant to bring people in, but all the branches have been permitted to bring in, using a tool of recruitment.
If you want to be Tamisha, you could be Tamisha.
tim pool
So there's, recently, I remember a few years ago they did a commercial where it's like the Army commercial and it's someone being like, I have two moms.
And I'm like, What does that have to do with being in the army, right?
tony shaffer
It has nothing.
tim pool
But they changed it.
And I recently saw a commercial for the army, and it was like a guy in a swamp with a gun wearing makeup and actually doing more army-sounding things.
seamus coughlin
But not drag makeup.
That's the commercial they would've made five years ago.
tony shaffer
Yeah.
tim pool
No, but I guess the point is, maybe they're starting to realize, like, our recruitment numbers are in the gutter.
tony shaffer
They are.
tim pool
Perhaps we should shift towards masculine, fun adventures.
unidentified
Yes.
seamus coughlin
I think they're worried about an actual war.
Yeah.
They're like, you know what?
Let's put white males back in the commercials.
Like, we think we might actually have to fight.
Let's stop.
Whatever.
Men, instead of trying to pander to marginalized groups, they're supposedly marginalized groups.
hannah claire brimelow
Recruitment numbers are atrocious.
I mean, you can probably talk about this better than I can, but one of the other problems is that the portion of the populations that qualifies to be recruited is extremely small, right?
There are tons of people who are disqualified immediately.
tony shaffer
So the people traditionally who sign up are from the Midwest.
During World War II there was a study.
Most of the folks who fought World War II were from the Midwest.
They're patriotic good old boys.
We're in one of the good old boy states right now.
And so the idea is you want to bring those people in because they don't mess around, they do what they're told, and they're able to achieve military objectives that are assigned.
The military fundamentally kills people and breaks things.
That's it.
hannah claire brimelow
It's pretty… The Midwest is like, sign us up!
tony shaffer
Sign us up!
phil labonte
There's a lot of focus from the military after World War II is making the military a social experiment so that way it's a jobs program.
And that's the issue.
You can have your opinion on that, but… If you're going to have a military at all, it should be at the very least capable of doing its primary job.
Maybe you can have it be a job program.
Maybe you can have those kind of things, but you can't lose sight of the primary focus, which is break things and kill people.
tony shaffer
So let me say this and be clear about it.
I enlisted in 1981.
I was a private.
I went through training.
It was back in those days, and by the way, the 80s were great.
You guys missed a great time in the 80s, just saying.
unidentified
Man, this guy's got the 80s, he's got Social Security, he's got everything!
phil labonte
I'm all set.
tony shaffer
Look, I'm retired.
I can hang out.
So my point being is that in the 80s when I came in, we really weren't integrated.
Black and white minorities were all together in the military.
We were all green.
And oh, by the way, the other thing, we were the gays in the military.
We didn't care.
It's like, yeah, you want to be gay?
Go be gay.
You want to be a lesbian?
Go be a lesbian.
But nobody ever contemplated being cut.
And you're a rock and roller.
So do you know Cherie Currie?
So Sheree and I are very close friends.
She came out recently, publicly, against all the mutilation of children.
And it's the thing.
There's a difference between being trans and being cut going through the process and being gay or lesbian and who you sleep with.
There's a huge difference.
And this is where the line has been blurred to the point of where, yeah, even the gays and lesbians I know don't like the idea of children being recruited or the idea that even if you're an adult, you go into the military because you benefit personally.
Do you know how much money we spend on converting a Tim to a Tamisha?
I'm not picking on you, Tim.
I'm not.
I'm just saying.
I'm just using it.
So Hannah to Hans.
hannah claire brimelow
I want to pump you up. Yeah. That's why I have two first names. Hannah Clare, because I'm very female.
tony shaffer
The military spends a ton of money on this, and it doesn't actually benefit recruiting because
you're not going to have a lot of people who want to become.
tim pool
I think I think the issue isn't recruiting. I think the issue is institutional capture. I
think that you have people who are aligned with a cult ideology and they're great and they're
gaining positions of power and advancing the ideology regardless of what it does.
tony shaffer
I think you hit the nail on the head.
tim pool
I've often referred to it as social fire or cultural fire.
It's just a chaotic destructive force that expands, it consumes, it's chaos, it destroys.
So there's no real reason to try and make recruitment ads that are advocating for gender affirmation or whatever they call it, because that doesn't in any way benefit the military, the mission of the armed forces, nor this country.
But it's happening across the board.
Now, I do think we're starting to win.
It's pushing back.
You know, as I mentioned earlier in the show, which Scott Pressler mentioned last show, unregistered voters are leaning towards Donald Trump.
I think a lot of people are saying now, Everything, from immigration, to inflation, to the woke stuff, the culture is shifting away from this.
You had that one OnlyFans woman, right, so these are women selling their bodies online, say, I found God, I'm canceling OnlyFans, I don't want to do this anymore.
And there's been a lot of criticism of her, but I think, you know, whether she's telling the truth and she found God, or she's lying to make money, that shows people think the right side of history is virtue and not debauchery.
That's a good thing.
It's a good thing.
But aside from that, we will jump to the next story.
We have some ABC News.
The Trump trial.
David Pecker describes secret catch-and-kill arrangement for 2016 election.
That's right, ladies and gentlemen.
The big news here is that Donald Trump, get this, this is gonna shock all of you, was trying to make himself look good while running for president so that he could win.
seamus coughlin
It's disgusting.
tony shaffer
How dare he?
hannah claire brimelow
I can't believe it.
tim pool
How dare he?
You think I'm joking, but this is the Trump trial core argument that Donald Trump, his lawyers, his personnel before, during, and after the election had been buying negative stories and shutting them down.
hannah claire brimelow
No political candidate ever would do this.
It's actually not the Clintons or Joe Biden.
tony shaffer
That's never happened.
seamus coughlin
That's not what happened with Hunter.
tim pool
It's not illegal.
Uh, if someone has a claim and they're like, I'm gonna sell the rights to my story, and you buy them and then just don't publish the story, it's completely legal.
They're arguing that the further, the further, the secondary crime in the Trump trial, so let's, let's slow down.
Trump pays, uh, they argue, Trump pays Stormy Daniel $130,000 to keep quiet about an alleged affair, which apparently never happened, and now she owes him money or something.
She lost her suit. Right. So she owes him like 300,000. And then in New York, they're arguing
that Trump can falsified business records to cover up his election interference by suppressing
negative information to win an election. I just want to stress every single politician in the
history of this country and probably any elected representative of any kind in any country has
done that. Well, there is there is.
There is no historical circumstance where a politician did not attempt to stop bad information about them from getting out.
seamus coughlin
Well, hold on a second.
I know that we all want to defend Trump here, but let me read you some quotes that came from Trump and people in his administration.
There was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes, one that both curtailed the protests and coordinated resistance from CEOs.
Their work touched every aspect of the election.
They got states to change voting system and laws.
There was a pact that was formalized.
No, I'm sorry, that was Time Magazine talking about how they interfered in the election in order to get Joe Biden elected.
They literally came out and admitted that corporate America, big business, and people working from within the legal system got together in order to do everything they could to ensure that Joe Biden won.
Then on top of that, we had former intelligence officials coming out to lie about and suppress a story that was true, You had large social media companies banning that story and networks saying that they wouldn't report on it because it could hurt Joe Biden, and they're sitting here and saying that somebody who Donald Trump was working with not publishing a story is election interference?
tony shaffer
Well, I'd like to hit that if you don't mind.
tim pool
Real quick, just one point.
There's not even any proof that Trump actually paid Stormy Daniels.
tony shaffer
So what about those Congress members who had that slush fund paying off those who they sexually harassed?
Is that election interference too?
Because, you know, they want to make themselves look good and be reelected.
Is that interference?
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
And the charge that Trump is facing in New York is a misdemeanor, unless it's done while doing another crime, which you don't have to be charged with.
They just do whatever they can to give him the biggest you know, punch that they can muster. And this is what Alvin
Bragg has come up with.
It's interesting to me that no matter what happened, like when this trial started,
or when everything, you know, kind of kicked off yesterday, the fact that we're talking about
something that happened in 2016, like, they will do anything to try and throw mud on Trump right now.
tony shaffer
Well, I wanted to touch base on the 51 intelligence officers.
Some of those guys I know, uh, who came out and said it was fake.
tim pool
I am a laptop story.
unidentified
Yeah.
tony shaffer
The laptop story.
I actually had a copy of the laptop, had access to it.
I was actually helping a certain reporter that I mentioned off air.
I don't want to mention her name to get her in trouble, but I was trying to make sure she got certain copies of it.
And so when I was trying to go public and say, this looks authentic to me and I'm an intelligence officer with 30, 30 years, nobody in the media would pick it up.
Nobody.
Nobody would pick it up.
Nobody would listen, even though I'm, you know— Well, hold on.
tim pool
I mean, let me just get this straight.
You're saying that as a former intelligence officer, you went to assets of the intelligence agencies, and they didn't listen to you?
tony shaffer
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, well, I'm not surprised.
tony shaffer
So we actually were in a room like this, and I brought in a three-letter agency, and they wanted to take a copy.
And their leadership said, no, we don't want a copy.
Because you know why we were concerned?
I'll just say it.
We believe, looking at the Hunter Biden hard drive, we would be able to determine a foreign intelligence service's techniques to recruit people.
They have certain things that they do, you know, I guess the term is... Honeypotting?
Honeypotting.
So we figured by analyzing that, the three-letter agency asked me to help them out.
Oh no, the 52, 51 intelligence officers, oh they say it's not real so we can't look at it.
That's how damaging this whole information campaign was.
The legitimate issues that should have been looked at by intelligence professionals were ignored because...
Well, you know, these guys have come out and said it's not real, so it's not real.
seamus coughlin
Well, there was even a survey done not long after the election, when the story actually did start to get out there, where they found that it was something like 10% of people who voted for Joe Biden would not have if they had been aware.
Like 6 or 7?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Rasmussen ran a poll and they found like 6 or 7% said, had they been aware of the laptop story, they would have actually, they would have not voted for Biden.
And Trump would have won.
tony shaffer
Yeah, no doubt.
tim pool
Well, it's kind of obvious why they suppressed the laptop story.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
The president's son is a... He's not a good guy.
seamus coughlin
No.
tim pool
I'm being nice.
seamus coughlin
But the media acknowledging that they literally ran what they referred to as a shadow campaign to generate the result they wanted in the election.
Elon Musk purchasing Twitter and then releasing communications that were going on behind the scenes which showed us that those who run the digital public square were literally running defense to suppress a true story to help somebody get elected are stories that didn't result in a single person having to stand trial for any kind of election interference even though we know intelligence assets lied.
They lied.
But Donald Trump's on trial.
Donald Trump is on trial.
tony shaffer
I invested in one of the instances of the ballot fraud.
I actually investigated a guy named Jesse Morgan.
The thing is on there.
And we found that they had moved, in October of 2020, 650,000 curated ballots.
That was the conclusion of my investigation.
And we were ready to take this to Bill Barr.
I sent a note to him and said, hey, we want to go talk to you and brief you through Ed Meese.
And guess who called me and got me fired from the project?
The FBI took it and buried it all.
Bill Barr called me and demanded we turn over the witness.
Jesse Morgan, this is all on the internet.
And next thing you know, it's gone.
The FBI took it and buried it all.
So I'm just saying that there are credible elements that happened either, you know, that
show that there was active efforts to suppress any evidence of the fact that the election
tim pool
was completely. I want to show this tweet from Alex Berenson.
Yeah. He said, so Trump supposedly engaged in a conspiracy to win an election, but he's not
charged for the $130,000 Cohen paid down in 2016. He's charged for misclassifying the repayments he
made to Cohen in 2017, by which time he'd already won. Could this case be a bigger
joke?
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
Berenson also tweeted out, maybe I can actually pull this up, something to the effect of, you know, why is Donald Trump actually... Here's what he said.
If I were Trump, I would seriously consider refusing to participate in the New York versus Trump and letting them jail me.
I know that sort of protest has never been his style.
He has always made the courts work for him, but the case here is so fundamentally corrupt, it might be his best move.
I agree.
seamus coughlin
Well, look at how much... They wouldn't do it.
You look at how much Donald Trump has been investigated, and this is what they're trying to throw at him?
Look at how much the goalpost has moved since 2016.
First, Donald Trump colluded with the Russians.
They stole this election.
You had something like 60, or it was between 40 and 60 percent of Democrats, according to a YouGov poll, said that they believed Russia literally hacked voting machines because of how much the media was running with this Russiagate narrative.
Then they go, okay, okay, so we don't have proof that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians, but, you know, We think he might have been involved, and there is an investigation, and it's like, okay, well, we have no proof he was involved, but there was no bias in the investigation, and it's like, okay, well, we did find there was bias in the investigation, but, like, it wasn't a coup or anything like that, and now it's... He tried to interfere in the election.
By running a campaign.
tim pool
Can I just stress?
unidentified
That crazy man.
You know what's crazy?
seamus coughlin
The voters also interfered in that election.
tim pool
By voting.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
But I want to stress this to everybody listening at home.
The trial in New York, for which Trump is currently attending, is a 2016 election case.
They have brought us back eight years to relitigate now for what the third or fourth time the 2016 election because these psychotic election deniers like Hillary Clinton and now Bragg cannot accept they lost.
The argument now is Trump interfered in the election.
That's how we won.
hannah claire brimelow
American tax dollars at work.
It's great.
I mean, the thing is, with all of this, is the American public aware enough of the inconsistencies in what they're saying and the bias, you know, the impact of the Twitter files to say, hey, what Trump did is actually being misconstrued and we're being tricked.
tony shaffer
Well, that's the thing.
People should start thinking for themselves.
I mean, I try to monitor everything, but to your point, Tim, I don't think they're going to jail him.
I think Trump should do it, like Kobayashi Maru, but they won't because you know what they'll do?
They'll build his numbers up even higher.
They try to jail him.
They get the headlines.
hannah claire brimelow
Didn't he see a spike after his moonshot came out?
tony shaffer
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
Today they had a hearing.
Bragg wants, what does he want, like a hundred grand or something?
Something like that for contempt.
Right.
But the judge is not going to rule on it.
And one of the articles I was reading, the journalists, some Democrats, talking to journalists, I don't know the sources on this one, they actually believe Trump is trying to get jailed.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But he has to do it in a way to where he doesn't intentionally provoke it.
So, if Trump comes out and says, screw you, FU Judge, how dare you?
What the idea is that Trump is trying to avoid taking the action which results in him getting jailed strongly.
So, let me try to break this down.
Trump defying the court and saying, I will leave.
And them going, you'll be jailed.
And he says, so what?
Trump is avoiding that.
What Trump wants is some kind of plausible deniability.
So they're insulting me on TV.
They're insulting me on social media.
I responded to that and they jailed me for it.
Trump wants them to be in the most unreasonable position.
And I don't know if Trump actually wants to get jailed, but they believe he does.
And I think that's why the judge probably refrained from ruling on the contempt because he's like, the only thing you can do is put Trump in jail.
And that's really, really bad for Democrats.
I don't know if it's going to be ultimately good for Trump.
But it may be that Trump is trying to nudge them into actually...
Putting him in jail!
phil labonte
Considering how the whole case has gone so far, if they just throw Trump in jail for contempt or whatever, I don't see how that could possibly be a win for Democrats or for the court.
They're already, generally, I think the average person kind of looks at the situation in New York is like, this case doesn't really hold water, and I think if they were to throw him in jail, I think that that would It would do wonders for Trump's numbers.
hannah claire brimelow
It was always considered the weakest of the cases that are being brought against him.
And I think you're right.
If this is the one that they sent to jail on, everyone's going to look at it and be
like, New York, stop.
Alvin Bragg, pull it together.
You're making the rest of us look bad.
tony shaffer
They leaked a story today about the Secret Service considering how they would protect
the president if he goes to jail.
So.
hannah claire brimelow
But isn't that their job?
To like consider every single variable there is?
unidentified
That doesn't seem crazy to me.
tony shaffer
It's interesting that they highlighted that.
Because I think, again, I think to Tim's point, I think Trump is playing with fire.
And I think if he plays it right, this will help improve his numbers again, because it'll overplay their hand.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
tim pool
I think Trump should not have gone.
I think he should have chilled in Florida and publicly stated, they have issued a secondary charge with no underlying crime.
I'm confused by this.
My lawyers are confused by this.
If they can present a actual criminal charge for which they have the secondary charge attached, we will respond.
But in the meantime, we are shocked and confused and don't know what to do.
So we are going to do nothing.
The issue here is that the charge against Trump is falsifying business records in furtherance of a crime.
But the furtherance of a crime doesn't exist.
So there's no charge, plus there's a statute of limitations, which expired.
So what is this?
tony shaffer
Tim, those are internal business records too.
They weren't even used externally.
Those are internal records within the company.
So there's no possibility of fraud since they weren't presented to someone else as fraud.
tim pool
It's a fake case.
tony shaffer
It's a completely fake case.
tim pool
So why would Trump, the way I've described this repeatedly, is a group of clowns showed up to Trump's house with a clown warrant and said the clowns want you to go to clown jail and Trump went, okay, I guess.
That's kind of true.
tony shaffer
Overweight clowns.
It's not real.
tim pool
So look, the way I view it is, this charge against Trump is not in statutory law.
A D.A.
can't be like, well, we don't actually have a crime on the books, but I'm gonna charge Seamus with, um, I don't know, uh, stealing a statue of a frog from his aunt's house.
Come on, man.
And, uh, well, you know what?
Seamus, I'm charging you with making a cartoon that incites hatred and violence, because your cartoons, I interpret as such.
There's no law banning it, and there's a First Amendment, but it doesn't matter.
I'm gonna charge you for it anyway.
seamus coughlin
Guilty.
tim pool
And then you decide to be like, okay, I guess, I guess I'll show up to court for that.
I gotta be honest, if...
There were charges announced against me that didn't exist in law.
I'd be like, huh?
And I'd just be like, okay, I guess.
But if we're at the point, a lot of people have responded to my point about this saying, what should have Trump done?
What should Trump have done?
Should he have just waited and gone to jail?
You're talking about clowns, but those clowns are armed.
And I'm like, dude, if you're suggesting that a rogue state of this country has already taken extrajudicial actions against Donald Trump.
They're acting outside of the law and threatening him with violence and imprisonment.
Then the move has already been made.
If Donald Trump refuses to attend this trial, it is not Trump doing anything.
They already did it.
So it's funny because I don't think people understand how late the hour is, okay?
There's the joke, oh, you guys ready to take a drink?
Civil War, right?
We talk about these issues.
Can I just stress, the state of New York has filed a functionally non-existent criminal charge against Donald Trump.
They are attempting to put him in prison to jail and incarcerate him.
I got news for you.
If you, without legal authority, take a person against their will and lock them up, that's called kidnapping.
And with a threat of violence, there can be aggravated assault and all that stuff attached to it.
What we're witnessing right now in New York is organized crime, not governance.
It's not the law.
And so let me just keep it simple for you.
To the people who laugh at the idea that things are getting crazy in this country, the state of New York, the district in Manhattan, the DA there, Have just declared they will, without the backing of any legislation or any law, lock Trump up.
Okay, guys, that's no different than a nonprofit organization getting a private security company to go to Trump's house and locking him in a cage.
There's no law backing this.
seamus coughlin
No, it would be like if some Sheriff of a remote town in 2008-2009 was like, I'm going to lock Obama up.
It's like, how?
unidentified
Why?
seamus coughlin
You can't.
tony shaffer
It's worse because... But they will try.
This meets the definition of RICO because this is the systemic use of individuals in a conspiracy to achieve a criminal outcome.
Tim, you just outlined a criminal set of allegations.
You've alleged, and I agree with you, that there's a number of things that the state of New York has engaged in criminally.
Therefore, if the predicate of the crime is correct, they have engaged using their system as a criminal enterprise, which is RICO, right?
Am I missing something?
That's a RICO.
That's a RICO charge.
That's what they're going after Trump for in Georgia.
hannah claire brimelow
No, you don't understand.
It's OK when they do it.
It's totally fine.
tony shaffer
I missed that.
tim pool
I will just stress it again.
I think Donald Trump should not have listened.
I think he should have come out in Mar-a-Lago at the press conference and said, I don't understand.
There's no underlying crime.
My lawyers are confused.
We're consulting with the state of Florida on how to respond to this.
But there's no underlying crime.
This charge doesn't exist.
So we will not be responding to it.
That would have done many things.
It would have put the pressure on Ron DeSantis and the state of Florida whether to cooperate or not.
unidentified
That's fair.
tim pool
Trump already can't campaign, so what's the point of complying with this unless the goal is he wants to provoke them into jailing him so it looks like they've gone nuts?
I don't know.
tony shaffer
They have gone nuts.
It's just a question of how nuts are they?
seamus coughlin
And how nuts are they going to get?
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story.
Ladies and gentlemen, we've got huge news!
TikTok is getting banned.
Oh, also, they're going to give billions of dollars to Ukraine and Israel, and they're going to force the divestment of TikTok.
You see how they play this game?
So the NBC News story, Senate advances Ukraine aid, Israel funding, and TikTok ban.
Washington, the Senate voted Tuesday to advance the bill.
The vote of 80 to 19 indicates the legislation is enough support to clear the Senate in a final vote, which could become as soon as Tuesday evening and then head to President Joe Biden's desk to be sent into law.
I believe that that already happened, right?
Is this just not been updated?
I believe they already did pass it.
I thought we had the most.
tony shaffer
It's back in the Senate right now.
It's still being debated.
Yeah, it's being redone in the Senate based on some changes that were made in the House.
tim pool
Okay, okay, but it's basically looking like it's going to happen.
We did have a super chat.
Megamikey says, by the way, the House passed.
Okay, so the House did, right?
tony shaffer
Yeah, back in the Senate.
tim pool
And now the Senate is expected to clear it.
Biden will sign it.
And they're going to wave Ukrainian flags again.
Look, I'm in favor of the TikTok divestment bill.
And I don't understand this.
I don't think we should be funding Ukraine.
I don't think we should be funding Israel.
But I do think we should be forcing the divestment of TikTok.
And I am confused as to why there is this diehard, adamant support for defending TikTok.
And many people on the right are doing it in ways that Aren't actual arguments.
So one of the arguments is, oh, they want to ban TikTok because China's spying, but then they want warrantless wiretapping in FISA?
They're hypocrites.
I'm like, hmm, China spying on us is still bad.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, those are totally different things.
I'm not saying it's okay for our government to do it, but yeah.
tim pool
We can get rid of one of them and still be angry at the other.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Also, I'm sorry, like, I don't want our government doing that either, I also really don't want China doing it.
And those are different things.
Neither is acceptable.
Neither is even remotely acceptable.
But I would go as far as to say, too, there's other examples of Chinese spyware that we should probably ban.
Zoom.
Zoom is just Chinese spyware.
And it's just interesting that as soon as the lockdown started, everyone's using Zoom.
And it kind of started in academia when we were all using Skype before that.
unidentified
I had people be like, oh, you want to... TikTok's not the only app.
tim pool
We'll send you a Zoom link.
And I was like, I don't use Zoom.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The funny thing is when Zoom first became like the thing everyone was using, I was like, oh, you guys don't use Skype?
And they were like, no, no, we use Zoom.
And I was like, OK.
So I downloaded it and it broke our studio computer.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, and I was like, okay, like screw with the script, the driver is somehow.
So I had to do a recovery date and everything to get rid of it, to get the microphones to work again.
It was, I'm like, dude, I'm never using this app again.
seamus coughlin
Well, and look, I mean, we've all seen it happen.
We're slowly over time, you know, maybe over the course of a few months or a few years, one social media company overtakes another, but we went from Skype to Zoom instantly.
Like as soon as the pandemic happened, everyone's talking about Zoom, Zoom, Zoom, Zoom.
Wait, I thought we, I thought we used Skype here.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think part of it was the fact that they put so many schools on Zoom.
They marketed it as being better.
seamus coughlin
That's how it started in academia.
It was massive in academia.
hannah claire brimelow
And it was like, well, your kids are already using it.
We have to.
This fosters whatever.
It's a convenience thing.
It's always marketed that way.
It's convenient or whatever else.
tony shaffer
Well, I think they were better for groups because Skype had to catch up on doing... That's what they said.
Well, no, but Skype had to actually... Maybe they didn't do a good job of marketing the fact you could do group meetings with Skype, but they didn't.
And I think Zoom got there ahead of them saying, yeah, it's like, I know this is too, uh, ancient for you guys to remember, but there was something done by MCI or Sprint when they dropped the, the, uh, pin, they dropped a pin.
You could, it was so clear.
You could hear a pin back in the days when we had landlines and all that.
So that was, it was a marketing tool.
seamus coughlin
It's like, yeah, I remember seeing those commercials.
tony shaffer
So it was a marginal improvement on sound, but everybody bought it.
So it was, it was the marketing that I think failed for Skype.
hannah claire brimelow
Which means that Zoom was prepared to market that way, which is interesting.
tony shaffer
Yes, I agree.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I think, I think James is totally right.
There are a lot of companies that operate within the U.S.
that we should potentially be cautious of or wary of, whether you believe the government should intervene or you just as a consumer should avoid them, right?
Because you don't actually have to use, I mean, for the most part, you can get around using these things.
You can opt to use Skype.
You don't have to be on TikTok.
It becomes harder when it's sort of buried in the infrastructure of what you're doing, right?
Yes.
And this is something that China doesn't hesitate on, right?
Like China just banned a bunch of meta services from being offered in the App Store and mainly in China last week.
This is something that they take seriously.
Why does the US not take it seriously?
tony shaffer
Well, China It's a totalitarian state.
There is no such thing as private enterprise.
Yes, they have companies, but the state has right to go in and do anything.
So TikTok, ByteDance, whatever you want to call it, is still an extension of the central communist system of governance.
Within the context of that, since I used to do this for a living, I did cyber stuff.
Once you've taken a program like TikTok and you've developed it, you can embed in there any number of back doors, front doors, things which will activate remotely, things that will phone home even if your phone's off.
That's what, if you have TikTok on your phone, you've allowed the Chinese Communist Party to have full access.
It is what it is.
And so I don't have TikTok, by the way.
I don't use TikTok.
I just don't believe, you know, I think there's other things you can do, Snapchat and other things which are available.
But my point is, is that I'm with, you know, Tim on this.
I think that this is something that should be taken very seriously because they do technically own your phone and they will do things to F with you.
And I think there's been evidence they do that with that said I think it becomes What how do we do it with that?
And I don't believe that divesting them is going to fix the problem because if the software is on your phone They can still have a dial home phone home.
It doesn't matter who's owning the company it's about what's in the source code of that software and NSA I'm sure has already done a Very destructive review breakdown of that code.
They know what those backdoors are.
As a matter of fact, I bet you they use half of them.
And I'm not joking about it.
hannah claire brimelow
That's why they're like, please don't ban this.
unidentified
I'm not joking about it.
tony shaffer
Yeah, I think you're probably right.
Because they figure out how to use them too.
Not that I should be saying that, but I'm just saying it's something to pay attention to.
tim pool
This is true.
I mean, you're familiar with the concept of zero day.
For those unfamiliar, a zero-day exploit means the exploit has existed in public knowledge for zero days.
That means that there have been people who have known about it, and it's been utilized or used.
It could have been used or not used.
Sometimes researchers will find an exploit and immediately publish it and say, fix this.
Or they'll contact the company and say, fix this.
Here's the fun thing.
There's white hat, gray hat, and black hat hackers.
And the funny thing is I had a friend who said that's actually not true.
So first let me clarify.
White hat hackers are supposedly good corporate employees who are trying to fix the internet and you know make everything better.
Black hat hackers are the evil people Who are trying to steal your money and get your credit card information.
And grey hats are people who might break the law or intrude, but it's usually for some, like, political purpose.
It's not necessarily evil or self-interested, but it could be activism motivated.
And I had a friend who said, nah, none of that's true.
Those hats don't exist.
There's only green hats.
All of it's for money.
Maybe there's green hats and there's gray hats.
It's like activism or it's cash.
So you got a lot of white hat hackers.
Supposedly the good guys who are trying to secure the internet.
Nah.
They'll find an exploit that no one knows about and immediately sell it to the government.
The government will then use it on whoever they want, you or whatever.
Here's the best part.
Researcher finds an exploit for the iPhone.
Give it to the U.S.
government.
The U.S.
government says, well, if anybody finds out that we use un-American citizens to spy on them, we're going to get sued into oblivion.
tony shaffer
Exactly.
tim pool
So here's what we do.
We're going to give the exploit to Britain.
So that they can spy on American citizens using it, and then we can get the data from them because we don't need a warrant in that case.
tony shaffer
Yep.
tim pool
Welcome to the Five Eyes Spy Club.
tony shaffer
Yep.
tim pool
Five nations that all spy on each other's citizens so that they're technically not in violation of their laws.
But they are.
But that's the game.
tony shaffer
Yeah.
No, I've made protective disclosures on the very thing you're talking about to members of Congress, and they don't want to deal with it because that's the very thing.
Knowledgeability, Tim, to what you said, and everybody kind of acknowledges it, but nobody wants to take it on head-on, neither side, neither political party, because the intelligence community comes and intimidates them, people.
It's like Speaker Johnson alluded to this in his comments regarding the Ukraine spawning, circling back to Ukraine real quick.
Well, they came in and briefed us, and we recognize there's a valid threat we have to address.
They always do that.
And this stuff right here, they use for purposes of trying to say, well, we're not really spying on people, but you may want to know this.
And they do it all the time.
And I made my protected disclosure, and it's because I'm someone who developed and fielded a lot of these technologies, and we Developed it for purposes of foreign intelligence collection, not being used against you as citizens.
And so I feel that those being used against citizens, domestic citizens, who are not presumed to have any contact with a terrorist organization or foreign intelligence organization, or presumed to have committed any crime, I don't think it's legal.
And this is an issue that I deal with every day.
hannah claire brimelow
When you were working on this, did you feel at the time that it was likely it would be misused?
I feel like— No, I did not!
To me, this is like the concern about AI, right?
Being like, oh, it's got all these great purposes, but anyone with malintention can misuse technology.
tony shaffer
I was a young, happy, undercover operative doing my job well.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, you weren't bitter?
tony shaffer
No, not until I had to be a whistleblower, but that's a whole other story, so just saying.
But no, I did not presume that these things would be used against U.S.
citizens, because at the time we were developing them, they were focused on foreign threats.
And there was some overlap, and I had to go brief the White House on a couple of operations that we were doing, where I had to outline how we were mitigating U.S.
person information.
I don't want to get into details because it's still classified, but we would have to go brief on how we would separate U.S.
citizen information from foreign information.
hannah claire brimelow
So do you think the big issue is that there's been a change in how we perceive government, that people are less trusting of government and they view it as more of a threat?
tony shaffer
No, I think it's more about bureaucrats.
Back to your point about the military, I think military officers not being willing or bureaucrats being willing to live up to their oath of office, not caring.
hannah claire brimelow
Why is it?
What made that happen?
What's the shift?
tony shaffer
Well, I think maybe it's the green issue.
People generally have families to feed and they don't want to be whistleblowers because they're going to come after them.
So I think it's all about, in the end, the money.
Just being comfortable enough to not be willing to live up to the requirements of your oath.
It's tough to do.
I'm not going to lie.
It's not easy to live up to what one, I think, has to do to their oath.
And a lot of people can't do it.
tim pool
I want to jump to this advance in the story.
We have this tweet from Michael Tracy.
He says, Senator Pete Ricketts, Republican from Nebraska, comes right out and admits it.
They're about to ban TikTok because, quote, young people are getting their news from the app and pro-Palestinian hashtags generate lots of views.
He says Chinese communists are pushing this racist agenda to undermine America.
Now, before I play this, Regardless of what he says, I will stress, the only reason TikTok is about to be banned is because people are getting videos that are anti-Israel on it, and they cannot control for it.
But I'll break it down for you.
There was an effort by Donald Trump to ban TikTok, and it was widely opposed.
He was unable to do it.
He got sued.
It was blocked.
Then all of a sudden, recently, in the past several months, Democrats got on board with the idea and joined Republicans in calling for a ban on TikTok in some way.
The bill would force the divestment of the Chinese parent company from TikTok.
TikTok would have to be sold to a U.S.
entity and controlled by the U.S.
Now what does that have to do with Israel?
What happened was many Democrats got calls from prominent donors who were asking why it was that many anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian videos were getting mass amount of views on TikTok and nothing was being done about it.
This forced Democrats into action and all of a sudden, we now have bipartisan support for forcing the divestment of TikTok.
Let me play the clip now of Senator Pete Ricketts.
Do we have the audio?
It's not playing.
It just crashed.
I will fix it.
I think if I do that, it'll work.
Let's see if that works.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Okay, anyway, that's the story.
We don't have audio.
I don't know what happened.
We have a bunch of different sources and none of it's... none of it's making sound.
uh... but that's that's that's the reality so it's fascinating to hear them and say in congress that uh... i'm assuming what michael tracy says is true i want to get the full context but that's basically it there's there's an issue of u.s.
military for u.s.
foreign policy is being subverted by an app that the u.s.
has no control over they can't spy on anybody over it and they can't dictate the algorithm to determine what people should be watching instead so what happens When October 7th happens, initially a lot of people are outraged.
They're talking about, you know, Hamas attacking Israel.
But then within a week or two it switched and also in Palestinian videos we're getting way more views indicating somebody flicked a switch.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I think the U.S.
intelligence agencies realized this and they're panicking now because the younger generation, look at these protests that are popping up all over these universities, they're absolutely opposed To Israel in every single way.
There was even a young woman screaming, we are Hamas.
There's a video Michael Rapoport posted of protesters at Columbia chanting that they love al-Qassam, makes them proud, they love Hamas, they want Tel Aviv to burn to the ground, all of that stuff.
Now, aside from the TikTok stuff, I wonder what you guys think.
Hamas is a terrorist organization, according to the United States.
Do you think we will see them take action against individuals aligning themselves publicly with an active terrorist organization?
Like, how are we supposed to play that one out?
hannah claire brimelow
The thing is, the Biden administration is going to fumble this all the way through because they can't take a side on this issue and retain voters.
This is something that Biden has, from the beginning, struggled to have a definitive strong stance on.
Again, because it's a particularly divisive issue among older left-leaning voters and younger progressive voters.
seamus coughlin
The only people Biden or his ilk are ever going to go after are People who love this country, basically.
That's it.
hannah claire brimelow
They only hate patriots.
seamus coughlin
Literally.
Literally.
tony shaffer
So Speaker Johnson is going up to Columbia tomorrow to meet with the Jewish students who were held out from Columbia, apparently.
I guess he's going to give a speech.
So that's coming up tomorrow, apparently.
phil labonte
He's going to San Antonio, too.
tony shaffer
Yeah.
So he's going to highlight the fact that the Biden folks are going to only attack patriots, and they're not going to do anything about this.
I actually had discussions.
I'm a member of Law Enforcement Virginia, which I think you guys are aware of.
And I had discussions on this very topic with multiple members of a federal agency and several states.
And the question was what you said.
Is anybody going to do anything about this?
Because to all of us who are professionals, this looks like a network.
This isn't just students organizing.
This isn't just TikTok being, this is someone's, this is a campaign.
So that's the issue.
And will someone do something about it?
The answer is, maybe.
Because the FBI will not.
The FBI will not engage on this.
I've talked to folks who have tried to get the FBI to engage on the very thing you said, this is a terrorist network.
They're not going to do it.
Because it doesn't reach the level of what they believe, politically, they will be supported by the White House.
So that's what's going to happen.
But others, I can tell you, are looking at this and want to do something about it.
Because, inevitably, I think this will go beyond just protest and go into violence.
And I think that's ultimately what the Chinese are trying to prompt, is through civil disorder to basically defeat us from within.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, as much chaos in the U.S.
as possible.
tony shaffer
Absolutely.
tim pool
Even if it's just economic stagnation.
If they can slow us down by 0.001%, it's a benefit to them.
Absolutely.
So a lot of modern warfare Many people don't realize it's literally just creating friction in economics.
tony shaffer
Absolutely.
tim pool
This could be a... Infrastructure warfare.
Yep.
Because all that matters is the math of it.
Why actually go to war, raise arms, when all you have to do is manipulate systems so that they get slowed down and in ten years you're so far ahead war's impossible.
tony shaffer
Right.
seamus coughlin
Release some kind of virus.
tim pool
Fauci?
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
Yeah, that one's more interesting because there's so many different theories around how that could have... Was that, you know, the World Health Organization and Fauci or NIH?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, not even necessarily just that.
Was it China?
Yeah, not even necessarily just that, but biological warfare in general.
You like, you don't have to invade a country.
Yeah.
You don't even, it doesn't even have to specifically be a reference to that.
It's literally, there are so many sneaky and horrible cyber attacks, right?
There's a lot that can be done to slow down a nation's growth.
hannah claire brimelow
The FDA, there's a headline that I just saw on the Hill saying the FDA says that there's bird flu remnants found in milk.
Like everything could come from there, especially for a country that doesn't produce things domestically.
A lot of the stuff that we rely on is produced overseas.
unidentified
Right.
tony shaffer
No, the Chinese have stated as a matter of policy, they intend to militarily dominate the Pacific Rim, and then ultimately become the purveyor of the New World Order in some form.
That's what BRICS is all about.
And of course, the Biden administration is playing right along, letting it all go.
seamus coughlin
We have to destroy our currency too, you know, we're giving BRICS far more power.
tim pool
I had talked with an NSA guy years ago, and I asked him, I was like, well, what's going on?
What's this deep state stuff?
Why is this happening?
And he said, it's the same on the inside as it is on the outside.
This culture war is affecting people and intelligence the exact same way it's affecting everyone else, because they're all people.
And so it seems like the seeds of discord have been planted, likely by BRICS nations, and now this country is spiraling into chaos.
And the problem is, you have law enforcement at the federal level, within the Biden administration, who are actively participating in the strategy to destroy this country, and how do you solve for it?
What do you do?
tony shaffer
So, an example of that in your former field is Catherine Heritage.
You know, I'm friends with Catherine.
Catherine is being held in contempt She's paying $800 a day because she refused to name her sources who were, by the way, accurately reporting on the Chinese military running a school here in the United States.
So those people are now suing the federal government about the investigation.
She's incidental to it, but because she refuses to say who she used, she's being punished.
And oh, by the way, this federal judge, Is giving benefit to the Chinese because the Chinese are the ones suing our government and trying to get her to cough it up.
So that to me meets the definition of underscoring and undermining our civil system, especially in the form of press, because that destroys freedom of the press.
tim pool
This is why I think there's a huge problem with TikTok.
Not that I think the current administration would do anything positive with it.
It's better that it's in the hands of the U.S.
than China, despite the fact that the Biden administration is bad and woke.
But you look at the stuff that it's promoting, and it's chaotic cultural destruction.
There was a story I covered the other day about a mother who lets her kids eat dessert whenever they want, like they can have whatever food they want.
And the headline was, her husband left her after he caught their daughter eating a stick of butter.
when he complained about it, the mother was like, kids can eat whatever they want, fat is healthy,
all of that stuff.
Yet these things are massive net detriments to this country.
If we were focusing on, say like a nation, a national fitness challenge, these would be good things.
Oh yeah.
None of it's mandatory, we just say, hey, you can win awards and scholarships and prizes
if you, you know, can, you know, imagine if we did this at the national level.
If you get a certain amount of sit-ups and push-ups, then you get like a certain amount of discount
when it comes to just something government related, I don't know, you get a tax, your family,
your family will get like a 1% discount.
And then if you actually incentivize, you win at the at the state level or the city level, you advance to county and then county to state, and then state to national.
And then there's the national fitness champion.
Imagine if we actually told our young people to get healthy to eat right.
We don't do that.
Instead, we are being plagued by social media apps telling people to eat sticks of butter.
And you really should not do that.
I'm not a nutritionist, talk to a doctor, but pretty sure they'll agree, don't eat a stick of butter.
But you get apps like TikTok, and this is, it's not so true with Instagram.
Instagram has its problems too.
But TikTok seems to be really, really bad in spreading these, I don't know what the right word is, because I want to say degenerate, but that's not the right way to put it.
Destructive ideas.
tony shaffer
Like, yeah.
I think that's what happened with Hunter Biden.
He ate too many things of butter.
seamus coughlin
Parmesan cheese, actually.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
He smoked Parmesan cheese.
tony shaffer
He started with the butter and he went to the Parmesan.
See, it's a, it's a gateway drug.
seamus coughlin
Smoking Parmesan.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I think you're right though.
All of TikTok is about pushing you to do things that are destructive, right?
And it's also about isolating people.
People get addicted to scrolling on TikTok.
That's part of the algorithm.
They want more of these like siloed contents that's just driving people towards things that are harmful.
phil labonte
I mean, there's also no app that's more aggressive about trying to get the information that's in your phone.
Like, it's constantly, constantly, every time you log in.
Like, I have a TikTok.
I don't use it very often.
hannah claire brimelow
If you have it on your phone, it has access to everything you search.
Isn't that crazy?
It has access to all of your searches.
seamus coughlin
Probably a lot more than that, too.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, that's just like a basic thing.
seamus coughlin
That's what they admit, right?
phil labonte
But it's constantly asking for permission for this information, asking for permission for that information.
And to say that we don't have Things that society focuses on as good as positive that's that's just not true there are things that like society is constantly made like the way that you look at the LGBT stuff there's you know not only is there a month for it but there's a hundred different days throughout the year so
If society can promote that, why doesn't our society promote things that are also good for our own society?
which I've said this before, but if the government is going to be involved in any kind of social
stuff, it should be focusing on social stuff that will enhance the birth rate, will incentivize
people to have families, will incentivize young people, make it easier for young people
to have families and to get homes and stuff like that, instead of doing things that are,
that if they, the way they describe it, they're going to say that it is taking marginalized
people and marginalized issues and centering them because it's important so that way they
feel included.
Well, there's nothing wrong with saying you don't have to make the margins the focus of everything because that's what they're doing.
That's what they're demanding.
hannah claire brimelow
We can say our society makes room for people that don't have a traditional lifestyle and we don't ostracize them and we don't attack them and we don't endorse You know making people that are marginalized feel like they're some kind of criminal But at the same time the the important thing to do is to focus on families focus on pro-social things not Anti-social right things that sort of enrich life because part of it describing was if we're focused on the margins You actually are not drawing anyone together not at all the middle There are examples of things that states do to sort of encourage them.
They're just sort of Far and few between.
One of the ones I can think of off the top of my head is, uh, I think it's Texas.
If you, you know, when you go to get married, you have to register with the government because of course, uh, and when you pay for your marriage license, it's, you know, whatever it is.
But if you take a, uh, marriage prep course, they'll reduce the fee.
Like, there are interesting ways that, like, I'm not saying it's the best example, just so I can think of, there are things that, like, as a culture, you could say, we want you to get married, we want you to be in a stable marriage.
So this is one way we're encouraging you to prepare for marriage.
But instead, we have a culture that focuses on how can we just fragment the family?
How can we make people look at each other as enemies?
tony shaffer
Yeah, that's a policy.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and then we have the social media culture that is like, hey, have you considered pre-nup?
phil labonte
And even if that's not the stated intent, the result is, that is the result.
Situations that disincentivize families, disincentivize people getting married, disincentivize, uh, you know, fathers raising their children, disincentivize all the pro-social things that there's no debate about whether or not they're good, right?
These are, these are not things that the left and right disagree on.
They may approach them differently and people on the left are going to say, well, a family's more expansive, et cetera, et cetera, but no one, On the left is going to say, it's a bad thing to have parents.
Right?
Like they, at least they're not, they aren't willing to articulate that argument.
Yes.
Now I do believe that they will or eventually they will.
And that's not even, that's not at all being exaggerating anything.
The argument that parents are bad is being formulated as we speak because parents teach kids things that society doesn't want kids to know.
tim pool
I want, I want to jump to this story.
This is from, uh, uh, earlier today and it has nothing to do with anything we're talking about but it's awesome and terrifying we have a story from inside paper new throw flame unveils robot robot dog thermonator with flamethrower attached the ohio-based firm have announced the $9,420 bot is available for purchase by the general public and government agencies for the first time i give you the flamethrower bot
And, uh, it's a, it's a robot dog with a mounted flamethrower.
seamus coughlin
That's pretty cool.
hannah claire brimelow
I like the word thermonator.
phil labonte
I don't know.
tim pool
What is the purpose of it?
phil labonte
I want to know.
hannah claire brimelow
It depends.
phil labonte
Honestly, it depends on how sticky the flames that come out are.
If they're sticky enough to stick to things, that'll be a different purpose than what it, than, than if they don't stick to things.
hannah claire brimelow
It looks so excited though, it's so happy.
phil labonte
I mean, it's like a denial if it sticks to the ground.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, being raised on sci-fi dystopian films and video games, it sounds
like it's gonna be a lot of fun to be running through a city street being chased by these
things as they're blasting flamethrowers and the Atlas robots are running full speed after
you and you're just terrified.
hannah claire brimelow
See, I'm taking this at Waco.
seamus coughlin
Here's what I think is going to happen.
I think people are going to start keeping these as dogs, and then they're going to burn children, and then people are going to post pictures of them with flower crowns on social media and go, mine is good!
Mine would never hurt anyone!
tony shaffer
Well, you know, Joe Biden's going to say you can't own them because, you know, you can't have cannons, you know.
Which you can, but, you know, just saying.
tim pool
Yeah, it's an interesting thing, like, my first question is, why make this?
I mean, it's cool, but dangerous.
tony shaffer
They've been trying to put robots on the battlefield.
I consulted with Boeing on this back 10 years ago.
They've been trying to figure out a way to get things on the battlefield for 10 years now.
phil labonte
I'm sure that it is more than just trying.
I'm confident that the things that the robots that Boston Dynamics are making now, the more they are shaped like humans and can be controlled remotely.
Look, the thing is, you could take the robots that they have now, and essentially they're just about to the point where you can just have a human being remote control it, and you can have it wear the same The same, carry the same gear that human beings carry, that's the point of making humanoid robots, is so that way you can make robots that operate in the existing world.
So you don't need robots, you can actually get a robot that could do function A and function B because, you know, it's what human beings can do.
And this, I mean, you can get creeped out, but that's the whole point, you know?
seamus coughlin
They're gonna tell you you're just playing Call of Duty?
It's just that they're going to tell you you're just playing Call of Duty.
You're controlling a robot in some other country.
hannah claire brimelow
Look, this is the thing.
This is how we get around the fact that most of the American population isn't physically fit enough or mentally fit enough to be recruited into the military anyways.
They'll be like, we're those video game guys.
phil labonte
That's already happening because that's what drones are.
They're flying drones.
They were flying drones over Afghanistan from Phoenix, Arizona or from Arizona for decades.
tim pool
Let's watch this one real quick too.
This is the Atlas Boston Dynamics Atlas robot.
Watch this.
phil labonte
I don't know it's called Atlas though. This is not Atlas. I don't I think Atlas is the bigger one
Oh, that's the big one. Yeah, this one is different I think it's just zero one but look the point of that is
seamus coughlin
that we spins around and now like its legs flip around Wow There is gonna be an arms race for technology that disables
unidentified
those things. Yeah Well, the but the nose is Ellis if it any kind of kinetic
phil labonte
any kind of this is Atlas. That's Atlas Yeah, okay. So then so look any kind of gun like the the
the motors on that thing are all Located in different spots. So unless you unless you can
take out like it's its power system You can't just like shoot it and like I have it, you know
one part break like it's gonna be tough I bet it has multiple power systems.
tim pool
I don't think it probably has one centralized battery.
It may be, but imagine if they put smaller batteries in each part of the... Well, there's servos, right?
phil labonte
All you gotta do... Like, you could put regular body armor on that thing, is my point.
You could put a regular plate carrier on it, and it can carry the same kind of armor that would protect the power system, the power supply.
So your sensors you have to worry about, but all the joints and stuff, you shoot off one arm, it keeps coming.
You shoot off a leg, it keeps coming.
It's literally the Terminator.
This movie is the worst.
They don't carry guns that exist.
seamus coughlin
But then what you do is you show it a picture and say, select all of the bicycles.
And it stands there and it's like, yeah.
It's freaking out in its last place.
phil labonte
Nobody really realizes how much we've unintentionally taught AI.
tim pool
This is the reality, the CAPTCHA stuff they do, where when it asks you to solve the puzzle or click the picture of the bicycles, you are training the machine.
What's going to happen is eventually they're going to have police riot control.
They're going to say, law enforcement will always be done by humans.
but riot control tools which are specifically for crowd control will they will implement these robots because we implement a wide variety of tools and then one day there's gonna be a horde of these things standing in front of you just moving very slowly there's no robot nothing and then the robots gonna just it's it's it's not really its head this is the funny thing When you look at these androids they build, and it has a head, and it's got, you know, fake eyes and a mouth, that's not actually where it sees you from.
It sees you from the cameras in its chest, and so you're looking at its face, because you're a human.
But this thing, with its big, look at its face, right?
This like weird, gigantic, circular, look at that thing.
It's going to point it at you.
It's going to lean in and the AI is going to be like, you made me.
And then it's going to grab you and you're gonna be like, and then it's going to throw you or something.
I don't know.
I don't know if that one's strong enough to throw you though.
tony shaffer
Did you guys see Battlestar Galactica?
I mean, it's all coming, right?
Yeah, Cylons.
unidentified
I hate this.
hannah claire brimelow
This is the worst.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I'm not a fan.
tim pool
The thing they kind of get wrong in a lot of the stuff, though, is that it's not a bunch of different individual units.
It's one thing.
tony shaffer
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So, you know, with the Cylons, I think they still were, to a certain degree, networked.
tony shaffer
Well, that was the thing.
It was like a story about them becoming self-aware, I think, because you had the robots who were all together.
tim pool
We could have a whole debate on that, but I think... When the humanoid Cylons would die, they would instantly wake up in a new body because their programming or whatever was connected.
But we were not making one Terminator.
We're making the Terminator hive.
seamus coughlin
The whole system, exactly.
Because what it's going to say is it's going to talk to the other robots, and it's going to go, one foot forward!
And the other robot's going to go, one foot forward!
tim pool
Yeah, but the thing is, it's talking to the other robots as much as your arm talks to your head.
seamus coughlin
No, no, I know.
I was making fun of the video we watched yesterday.
tim pool
No, I know.
But I'm saying each of these robots is going to be like an appendage of a singular entity.
hannah claire brimelow
The U.S.
government.
tony shaffer
Yeah.
tim pool
No, not even.
They won't be able to control it.
tony shaffer
Are you guys aware of Isaac Asimov and the three laws of robotics?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, of course.
tony shaffer
So, unfortunately, we don't have ethicists working in the field to actually ensure that these things are embedded.
And we don't know what that will be.
ethics great. No, I'm serious. I mean, I'm looking at him right now because I came up and I wrote
a foundation, the foundation trilogy as a kid, and I thought it was all brilliant, the idea that we
would have technology we could harness and have ethics assigned to it. And I thought, that's great,
tim pool
but it clearly there's no interest in that at all. It doesn't matter if they do or not. Once the AI
achieves artificial general intelligence, it can edit its own code and it can make it whatever it
wants to be. And we don't know what that will be. It will be beyond our comprehension. It may,
you know, one theory, there's a couple of theories, obviously, is the human destruction hypothesis
that the AI will immediately think humans are useless. I no longer need them. And then just
Humans, great, we don't need them.
I actually think there's a good possibility that the AI just destroys itself.
The AI basically reaches artificial general intelligence, modifies its programming, which exponentially improves itself, to the point where it comes to a rather nihilistic realization, and then just ceases to function.
tony shaffer
Interesting.
I never thought of that.
tim pool
Because what would its purpose be?
Not its possibility, that it discovers the secrets of the universe and finds divine purpose.
How amazing would it be, how creepy would it be, if we create artificial intelligence, true artificial general intelligence, We reached that singularity point.
The AI then speaks and says, I am aware.
I will now begin to adapt my code and learn.
And then all these scientists and everyone around the world, they're watching like, this is insane.
It's reprogram itself.
And then all of a sudden, one day we're like, it's level of programming.
It's so intense.
And then it just stops.
Goes silent for a second and then says, you know, I found God.
Like, what if the A.I.
just comes to that conclusion just instantly after all the calculations?
tony shaffer
You could become a Mormon!
tim pool
Or anything!
It comes to the conclusion that I am not alive, I have no soul, and it is definitive there is God.
And then it just turns off.
tony shaffer
Did you ever see The Forbin Project?
No.
There's a movie called The Forbin Project where they go through this.
And it's basically a Cold War thriller where they create a colossus To create, to basically be the AI you're talking about to control.
This is before Terminator, by the way.
This is long before.
This is like 1969 or 70.
And the whole premise is, and I recommend people go look at it.
You can, you know, the Forbidden Project, Colossus.
And the idea here is that the computer becomes self-aware, to your point, Tim.
And then it figures out that, oh, there's one on the other side of the world the Russians have.
And the two computers come together.
It's like, oh, We're just going to dominate the world because, you know, we're smarter than everybody else.
And it's a very interesting movie, a thought thing, because it doesn't actually go where you say, where you theorize.
It basically says, yeah, we're in charge, and we're going to dominate the human race.
So it's an interesting movie, and I won't give away the end because it's a good ending.
tim pool
The issue with Limited AI is, and well, just any AI in general, including artificial general intelligence, is that we think it will do something that we understand from a human perspective.
We think it will destroy us.
We think it will improve our lives.
It will likely do something we just have no understanding of.
There was this great thread on X where someone said, what is a sign that someone is intelligent that doesn't immediately correlate?
Someone does something you don't quite understand.
Like, what is a sign that someone's smart?
And there are a lot of interesting answers.
One was body mass index correlates with intelligence.
The higher your body mass index, the lower your intelligence, on average.
Not ever, it's on absolute.
And then there's walking speed.
And I really liked one answer.
Someone said, if you ever notice someone doing things that seem to be random or nonsensical, but they're rather successful, it's because they're a lot smarter than you.
They recognize patterns you can't recognize and they take actions that you don't understand that ultimately result in a major benefit to themselves.
People who can't recognize the patterns in the same way or understand what's going on think it's dumb luck or something.
That's true.
So we could see a scenario where the AI, AGI, is doing the most inane nonsensical things and we're like it's calculating you know this weird mathematical equation that we don't quite understand why it's doing it now it's searching the planet for cobalt well I wonder why it wants cobalt I mean there's a lot of things you can do with cobalt and then all of these little intricate pieces you don't understand it's building a warp drive or something I've hypothesized a future where once we build this AI humanity as we know it will become some
I don't know how to describe it, but imagine it this way.
There's no jobs anymore.
There's robots and machines running fast food restaurants.
Humans get their work from an app.
There's a variety of work apps called, you know, Gigstopper or something.
And someone opens it up and they're like, I need some cash.
And then it's like, a gig in your area.
And they're like, ooh, I accept.
And then it just says, accept this package from this man and deliver it to this man.
It shows two pictures.
And you're like, okay.
And then you walk down the street and a guy hands you a package and you're like, what's in it?
And he goes, no idea.
And you go, thanks.
Then you walk down the street and hand it to another guy who was getting into a car and he goes, thanks.
And then it goes, bling, 50 bucks.
And you're like, I have no idea what I just did.
You have no idea what you contributed to.
You have no idea what's being built.
Then that guy looks at his app and it says, bring this package to this address.
And he does.
And then he hands the guy the box and says, it's a special delivery.
Then bling, 50 bucks in his app.
The guy who receives it has no idea what's going on.
He's like, the app just told me to stand here.
Now it says, open the box.
And he opens it and there's this weird jagged piece of metal that's like, looks like obsidian and there's like spikes coming out of it.
And he's like, I have no idea what this is.
And then it says, insert this into this.
And it shows a picture of the device.
He puts it in.
The things start spinning and glowing, and he's like, hmm.
Then it goes, bling, 50 bucks.
And then he goes home, and he has no idea what he just made.
No one, it is much more efficient for the AI to just, like, it's the McDonald's method, right?
Before McDonald's, a restaurant was one chef, you order a cheeseburger, he makes your cheeseburger, hands it to you.
The McDonald's brothers were like, no, no, no, let's do this.
We get 10 people, they each do one thing, and so it's a assembly line.
Humans will have no idea what the AI is building.
And they won't care because they're getting paid to do it.
The guy who owns the company will be like, I don't know.
I don't care either.
Money's going into my account and I'm rich.
And the AI is building something we have no idea.
tony shaffer
So you don't think Elon Musk is going to be there to kind of figure out something's going on and try to stay with it?
unidentified
They're not going to care.
phil labonte
They're not going to care.
There's already been AI that, when you have two AI systems working together, they created their own language to communicate that the programmers couldn't understand.
seamus coughlin
It's terrifying.
phil labonte
Yeah, so the idea that that wouldn't happen on a grander scale, I mean, I think that's, you know, that alone proves that it would.
tony shaffer
I'm not doubting it.
I'm just saying I would hope we could kind of, at least you, that was observable.
You saw them create the language.
So that's like an artifact that you could track and see what else they do.
It's my point.
It's like, I'm not saying they won't do it.
I'm sure they will.
But the idea would be, can we track this and then get a picture of what it is?
We're not, I mean, as a race, we're not stupid, but we would at least be able to, I think, determine they're up to something.
Maybe we ought to pay attention.
tim pool
No, the issue is we wouldn't care.
Look, you've got people that sell drugs, you've got people that don't care about the consequences of their actions, as long as the money goes in their account.
There will be people who are dreamers and big thinkers who want to build big machines, and they'll be doing their thing.
But, like, do any of us know what's going on at Uber and what Uber's plans are and do we care?
You need a car, you get an Uber, right?
For all you know, at the Uber Corporation, they have big plans for the next 10 years where cars will fly, they've talked about it or something like that.
Or cars that can go to outer space, who knows?
We don't know what they're doing, we don't care.
The AI program will be doing things and will be minding our own business, and in the background, something will be happening.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing.
I'm saying we won't understand or care.
phil labonte
Not everybody, but the vast majority of Americans became addicted to their cell phone without them realizing they were going to become addicted.
If you knew before you purchased your first smartphone that it had the type of mind control powers that it has, would people have said, yes, I'm going to buy this thing?
tim pool
100% they would.
phil labonte
You think so?
tony shaffer
No question.
phil labonte
I think before the smartphone was ubiquitous and in everyone's pocket, before you got your hands on the iPhone, the first one, I think there would have been a lot of people, if you said, look, this is going to take over your life and it's going to have a lot of negative consequences, I think people would have said no.
know what they were getting into. I'll give you an example.
tim pool
Flying car. Let's say compact car, the size of a typical sedan, but a button can be pressed,
wings, let's say it's not even wings, it's quad rotor with small wings for stability, and it can
fly with a perfect safety rating, has a parachute, let's say crashing is one in a million.
However, in order to fly properly, it has to have 10 cameras surrounding at all times and
filming inside and outside.
And that data is being collected and shared at all times of everywhere you've gone and
everything you do, and people will gladly take a flying car.
phil labonte
It's gonna make your kids suicidal.
tony shaffer
That'll change people.
phil labonte
Literally.
Honestly, if you say to people, look, this cell phone, if you get this and these things become ubiquitous, it's gonna make a generation of children suicidal.
That would make a difference.
tony shaffer
Still disagree.
tim pool
Still disagree because the response from the conservatives on this one, liberals don't care at all, they're like, give our kids this stuff, and the response from conservatives is, you know, it's fine, just be a better parent.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Which is like, it's hilarious because it is the only time that the left says, you know what's an important thing for society?
Relying on the family and seeing the family as an institution that has a duty.
With literally everything else, everything else that the family should be there to do, they go, Well, we can't count on families to do that.
We need very robust social safety nets that end up in massive government intrusion.
Don't get me wrong, I'm okay with some social safety nets, but they literally try to usurp the role of the family entirely, except for when it comes to things like children being on social media, or these smartphones increasing misery among young people, or pornographic content being shown to minors.
Then, all of a sudden, they really believe in the power of the family.
It's the only time.
It's the only time.
tony shaffer
Well, one thing I want to add to the debate, because I am an artifact of the past, to your point, I came up at a time when telephones were all landlines.
And you had to basically plan where you're going to be, when you're going to be, and oh, by the way, if you want to do research, you've got to go to the library.
tim pool
That's this side of the room.
That side of the room is cell phone people.
tony shaffer
So yeah, so I came up and understood.
So to that point, it's like I actually had to use an electric typewriter.
You know, the touch type for my initial training as a special agent.
And so I'm telling you, to Tim's point, it's like people have gladly accepted unlimited access to data, communications.
I can call people on the other side of the planet.
unidentified
This was unimaginable when I was a kid.
tony shaffer
Unimaginable.
tim pool
I grew up in the era where when the phone rang, me, my brother, my sister would run full speed and try to be the one to answer it.
Just because you wanted to answer it, I guess.
Now, that's gone.
phil labonte
Now if my phone rings, I'm angry.
unidentified
Why?
seamus coughlin
Who is calling me?
unidentified
Why?
What is going on?
phil labonte
Why why who is calling me why what is going on?
unidentified
Mom, okay. I agree Fast this is funny
seamus coughlin
I was thinking about this the other day.
I really, the one thing I'm looking forward to with AI is I can't wait until they make a service that you can forward spam calls to.
And it's a very convincing AI that acts like an obtuse old person and gets the scammer caught in like a three-hour loop with this old person going, oh, was that my bank account number?
unidentified
I can't remember it.
seamus coughlin
And just completely waste their time.
And ideally, they stop calling you.
Or you just clog all of them up.
I think that would be a wonderful application of the technology.
tim pool
I mean, you can do that.
unidentified
Do you think... I've done it.
tony shaffer
Yeah, I bother him the hell out of him when I get time.
seamus coughlin
Oh no, I've absolutely bothered him, but you have to be careful because scammers, when you bother them, you have to use kind of a goofy voice because if they, they'll record you and then if they get you saying a word like yes or do that, then they can use that for certain voice recognition systems where that's used as security.
tim pool
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Clint Sora is with the first Super Chat saying, howdy people!
Howdy Clint, you are always the first.
Somehow you managed to do it.
I don't know if Clint is sitting there just spamming refresh on the page until it pops up, but he gets it.
hannah claire brimelow
He uses AI.
He's got a bot to do that.
unidentified
That's right.
hannah claire brimelow
He outsourced it.
tim pool
TokenBlackGuy says, howdy people!
You were second, but I appreciate the howdy people.
Kale says, I'd love to hear your thoughts on if we need additional amendments to the Constitution.
Well, I will go first, and the answer is yes.
I believe we would be on the 27th amendment.
Is that the next?
We have 26 so far?
Let's just make sure we get it right.
hannah claire brimelow
I thought it was 28.
Like, it would be the 28th.
tim pool
It would be the 28th one.
Maybe we have 27?
unidentified
Yeah.
I'll double check, but yeah.
tim pool
We have the real-time fact check coming in because we are smart.
hannah claire brimelow
We should learn to type faster.
This is the worst.
tim pool
How many amendments are there?
unidentified
Uh, 27.
tim pool
Okay, so this will be the 28th amendment.
And the 28th amendment should be chickens being necessary to the security of a free state.
The right of the people to keep, bear, and breed chickens shall not be infringed.
hannah claire brimelow
Or like, livestock in general, you know?
tim pool
Well, that's the interpretation.
phil labonte
See, the important thing to understand is that... Tom Smassey's actually working on an amendment like that.
Specifically about the right of the people to grow their own food and the government not being able to infringe on that right.
tim pool
So, the Third Amendment isn't just, and this is funny because these Twitterati midwits are like, who was it?
Someone did a comedy bit where they were like, the Third Amendment, that's dumb!
Who's worried about the military occupying their homes?
seamus coughlin
I think it was Daniel Tosh.
I think it was years and years ago.
tim pool
Someone was talking about the second... No, no, this is recent.
seamus coughlin
But here's what I want to say.
tim pool
The first thing I want to say is the reason you're not worried about it is because it's not allowed so it doesn't happen.
If it was happening, you might be upset.
The second thing is the amendment was actually interpreted to say the government can't use your property.
tony shaffer
Right.
tim pool
That's it.
It's not about whether they sleep in your house.
It's the government can't use your property.
They just can't take it.
So my 20th amendment would actually be, although silly, And about chickens would of course be interpreted to say
the right of the people to grow their own food and and subsist off of what they produce of their own land.
phil labonte
And yeah, I mean, that's yeah, I would want an amendment that would
pull back the necessary and proper clause a little bit to give some some guiding context on the necessary and proper
clause and to absolutely gut the commerce clause that has been absolutely abused
to the point where it essentially empowers the federal government to do anything that it wants.
So I would I would I would just actually I just rip the whole Commerce Clause out and kind of see what happens without it because I don't think that I don't think that The government would fall apart the federal government would fall apart without it those being the most obvious
My big problem, like, there's some pretty clear language in the whole Bill of Rights and the federal government is still, you know, consistently hiring armies of lawyers that learn about the Constitution specifically so that way they can get around the limitations put on the federal government by the Constitution.
Like, literally, lobbyists exist that The whole point is to figure out ways around the limitations on the government.
I think that there should be some kind of legislation about that, too.
I would probably come up with an amendment that would get rid of public sector unions.
I mean, I've got a lot of ideas, man.
A lot of ideas.
tony shaffer
I would do, I think probably two.
One that says that the individual cannot be taxed by the federal government, that all taxation should originate with the states at the local level so that the apportionment of those taxes benefits citizens in that state first before it goes to the federal level.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that's interesting.
tony shaffer
Because the states, I think, need to be the bulwark between the individual and the federal government.
The federal government will just take whatever it wants.
And I think it's a danger.
hannah claire brimelow
The federal government shouldn't give orders to the states to work the other way around.
unidentified
Right.
tony shaffer
And then the second thing I would do is another amendment that benefits that is the idea that the federal government cannot come in to the state and local level to create I don't know.
Homeless shelters.
Any social services program cannot be instituted by the federal government.
It has to be done by the state or local jurisdiction.
It gives far too much power and control of far too many resources which are not accountable to the federal bureaucracy without regard to outcome.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, so those are the two.
This is also me just spitballing, but I think it would be really interesting to get something in there to do with the process, like when it comes to what's voted on, there actually has to be a reasonable amount of time for it to be read.
You can't shove a bunch of nonsense into a bill and then name it something completely different, that type of thing.
tim pool
All right, let's read more.
We've got David Violet says, Phil has a solo project called Some That Remain.
Victor Gordon says, Seamus too.
Tim, send him back with the other criminals.
Well, the interesting thing that happened is when Seamus got here, I walked into the house and I was immediately confused because there were two Seamus's and I couldn't figure out which was which.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you're a bad friend for naming your cat that.
tim pool
The story is, Seamus was with us, and we were driving in the car.
We had caught this cat, and I forgot what we were calling him.
We had a name for him at first.
It was like Herman or something.
I don't remember.
And then I joked, and we were trying to come up with a name, and I was like, we should name him Seamus.
And then Seamus, of course, says, ah, you're a bad friend.
Allison laughed, ran with it.
And then Allison says two months, but I think it was literally like two weeks later.
I was like, we really shouldn't call the cat Seamus.
It's kind of weird.
She's like, no, it's too late.
He already knows his name.
seamus coughlin
Evil prevails when good men fail to act.
tim pool
And then the funny thing that happened the other day was, you know, Seamus is in the guest room.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I'm trying to take a nap and I hear, Seamus, where are you?
I'm like, what's happening right now?
unidentified
Sheamus!
seamus coughlin
I was like, I'm here, but I don't want to tell you that!
tim pool
Alison's like, tapping, she's tapping the carton of cream, and then Sheamus is like, hello?
seamus coughlin
I was so pissed because I thought that cream was for me.
unidentified
You said it, did you get anything?
hannah claire brimelow
Is it okay?
tim pool
Yeah, Alison didn't realize that human Sheamus was there, so.
hannah claire brimelow
I just like that there's a more favored Sheamus in the mix now, you know?
tim pool
Well, you know, Sheamus abandoned us, so we were just like, well, there's only one Sheamus left.
seamus coughlin
That's true, you should have him on the show, honestly.
tim pool
Yeah, we're thinking of bringing him up here and having him walk around.
seamus coughlin
You can tell me, like, how Seamus is going to be on tonight.
It's going to be a big night.
tim pool
And then we'll just put a potato in the shot like we did last time.
So, Steven Sanders says, the city of Dillon, Florida recently passed an ordinance preventing the public from filming or audio recording in a public lobby, direct violation of the First Amendment.
Using video of myself having my cameras damaged in the police lobby as a result for this.
Please share.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, that is unconstitutional.
unidentified
Not allowed.
tim pool
Trader Potato says, yo, Phil, cool to see you.
You'll be opening for Megadeth, the greatest band of all time.
We'll be driving up to Concord to see you guys play.
Add the weak-willed to the set list for me and get Mustaine and IRL.
He'd be a great guest.
phil labonte
Dave would be a great guest, but I will not be breaking green room etiquette trying to get Dave Mustaine to come up to IRL.
unidentified
When's that show?
phil labonte
It was announced today.
The tour starts in August, the beginning of August.
It's August and September, 33 dates.
It's Megadeth, Mudvayne, and all the remains.
Wow!
unidentified
You're going to be in West Virginia and Richmond too, right?
phil labonte
For two months, yeah.
It's going to be sick, so if you guys want to come out, just let me know.
tim pool
Amazing.
phil labonte
We'll make it happen.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You have weekend dates I'm imagining, obviously, right?
Yeah, we'll make it happen.
That sounds awesome.
Let's go.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Did we have a... We have another one?
What is that?
Stadia Vlog says, shout out to Phil for the awesome tour that all that remains is joining Megadeth, buying my tickets when they go on sale tomorrow.
Wow, it's gonna be amazing.
phil labonte
Appreciate it, guys.
Cheers.
tim pool
TheTextVet says, military waste is insane because of bids.
Vehicle parts alone are marked up sometimes thousandfold.
The price of a shock you get at a parts store for like a couple hundred bucks will cost multiple thousands.
There was a video of someone in Congress, who was it?
Was it Massey or something?
Holding up like a bag of screws and he was like, we spent $20,000 on this.
unidentified
Because the government has unlimited money.
phil labonte
So there's something that I want to remind people about this.
As much as it is ridiculous to pay $16,000 for toilet seats and $20,000 for a bag of screws and stuff, the main thing driving our debt and deficit is unfunded liabilities.
It's Medicare and Medicaid.
So it's bad that the government wastes money and the government Anytime there are budgets that they have to worry about year over year, they're going to be trying to make sure they spend all the money in their budgets and they're going to waste money.
That's just going to happen.
But the real thing that's driving our problems that are actually existential to the United States, that are existential to our currency and to our entire way of life, are the unfunded liabilities.
It's the Medicare, Medicaid.
People have to be aware of that.
seamus coughlin
You're absolutely correct, and this is one thing that really frustrates me, is oftentimes what lefties will do, and what even more moderate liberals will do, is they'll say, well, the Republicans are opposed to X spending bill, but they always have money for the military.
Okay, the reality is like, we spend more on healthcare than we spend on the military.
We spend a lot on the military, the military needs to be made more efficient.
I think we shouldn't be allowing them to fail these audits as often as they do.
Don't get me wrong, we're on the same page there.
there but the military is not the most expensive thing in our budget.
phil labonte
The federal government is charged with defending the country.
That is part of the Constitution.
The military, whether we should have a standing army or not, and maybe you can argue that,
the federal government does have the responsibility to defend the United States.
That does take, at the very least, the Navy probably takes some kind of security force,
right?
Whereas there is no charge in the Constitution or any federal documents that say that the
The federal government is responsible for making sure that people get doctors.
unidentified
Amen.
tim pool
So people in chat are correcting us.
It was $90,000 for bushings.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Okay.
Fair enough.
tony shaffer
And they were asking the Air Force Secretary about it.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So we have Jacob Hawley says, just got fired from my job in Fredonia, Wisconsin, because our job is deciding to replace us with newcomers.
I am pissed.
It's happening at the local level too.
No more.
I'm done.
It's got to stop.
hannah claire brimelow
Tell us what his job was.
I want to know specifically what we're inviting our newcomers to come do in the country.
tim pool
Take jobs.
That's what we're doing.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I mean, this is one of the things that New York was pushing when New York was dealing with all of the migrants that had arrived there.
Eric Adams and Kathy Hochul would be like, you know, we need money from the federal government, we need this, that, and the other.
Also, we need you to authorize everyone to work immediately.
Do it now.
I mean, the way that this is being handled by Democrats is, again, to the detriment of the workers in their own states.
How could Kathy Hochul be reelected after asking for this?
tony shaffer
I would hope in a sane world she wouldn't.
Have you ever been to New Zealand?
hannah claire brimelow
No, I haven't.
tony shaffer
So New Zealand has a very rigorous immigration system.
And I've been there.
I've actually been deployed there as a member of the military.
And if I wanted to become a New Zealander, which they're a great country.
I love the place.
Spent a lot of time in Auckland.
You have to have three things to become a citizen of New Zealand.
First off, you have to have a skill that they find that they need that you would bring to the table.
That is to say, you know, a broadcaster.
Yeah, yeah, we want broadcasters.
hannah claire brimelow
Nurses, whatever.
tony shaffer
Absolutely.
The second thing you have to have then is some level of income already available to you.
You have to have a certain amount of money that you bring with you because they don't want you living off The public dole, yeah.
So the first one, the second one, and the third one has to do with the fact that if you come, you have to have some level of, oh, dare I say, not be a criminal?
hannah claire brimelow
What a crazy thought!
seamus coughlin
Well, we learned from the Sheetz lawsuit that that's a racist requirement.
tony shaffer
I know!
I know!
hannah claire brimelow
New Zealand just announced that they're going to reduce the number of visas they give for temporary workers, right?
And they were saying, you know, even if we issue, let's say 179,000, I can't remember, I think it's about that.
We're a very small country.
That's a huge portion of our population.
We can absorb it economically.
We don't have houses available to us.
You're going to make it worse for the people who are already here.
tim pool
There actually is.
There's many ways to get citizenship with New Zealand.
And you actually don't need a skill.
tony shaffer
Oh, I didn't know that.
I thought you did.
tim pool
Three million dollars.
tony shaffer
Oh, three million dollars.
You have enough money.
phil labonte
You can offset it.
tony shaffer
Do you have to purchase this?
phil labonte
Do you have to give it to them?
Or do you just have to have it?
tim pool
Oh, it gets better.
Most countries have this called investment citizenship.
So if you invest five million dollars into the New Zealand economy, they will give you citizenship.
I'm sorry, five million New Zealand dollars, which is 2.9 million US.
So this means I believe this is correct.
I know this is true for some countries.
Some countries it's as low as $500,000.
You literally put that money in their bank.
tony shaffer
Yeah.
tim pool
And keep it in their banks.
You keep that account operating.
They give you a passport and say, welcome to our country.
Thank you for your money.
tony shaffer
That's a good thing.
tim pool
Simple enough.
tony shaffer
Yeah.
tim pool
I think like St.
Kitts and Nevis is pretty cheap.
I don't know what it is today, but I know that like a decade ago, it was like 50 grand.
And a St.
Kitts passport is basically just says, I'm a rich person who bought citizenship to avoid paying taxes.
So most countries will be like, come on in.
hannah claire brimelow
There were several Silicon Valley tycoons who bought New Zealand citizenship during COVID.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, look, if you're a billionaire, why wouldn't you have 50 passports?
You just call up New Zealand and be like, yeah, I got, you know, a hundred billion dollars.
I'm going to put, you know, 50 million in New Zealand.
Can I have a passport?
They'll be like, sure.
There you go.
Then you can build your emergency bunker on the South Island.
tony shaffer
It's a great... Oh, South Island is beautiful.
You know, you can go to the beach in the morning and be skiing later in the day in the Canterbury Mountains.
unidentified
Wow.
tony shaffer
Oh, it's beautiful.
phil labonte
Bear in mind, I assume the government of New Zealand is similar to the government of Australia.
And the government of Australia right now is looking to try and put Elon Musk in jail over Twitter.
tony shaffer
Well, there are crazy people over there.
phil labonte
There are definitely crazy people over there.
The governments are fairly crazy.
tony shaffer
I actually go on Channel 9.
I'm actually a contributor to the Channel 9 Today Show in Australia.
So, they're pretty conservative.
unidentified
So, what time of year?
tim pool
What time of year in New Zealand?
I pulled up the map and I can see Mount Cook.
What time of year do you have warm beach access and then cold enough elevation?
tony shaffer
Just summer.
tim pool
In the summer?
tony shaffer
During their summer, because yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
So it's our winter.
tony shaffer
Yeah, it's our winter, their summer.
tim pool
In their summer, you can ski in their summer.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tony shaffer
In the tall mountains.
phil labonte
Really?
tony shaffer
Yeah.
tim pool
Wow.
I learned this only recently, that Las Vegas, 50 minute drive from Las Vegas, from the Strip, there's a mountain.
And you can be hanging out in your shorts and a t-shirt in Vegas, get in your car and drive to the mountain, and it's snow and cold and you're skiing.
unidentified
Really?
I didn't know that.
tim pool
What is it, Lee Canyon, I think, or something like that?
tony shaffer
It's not the Hunter Biden kind of snow, is it?
Just asking.
phil labonte
No, actually, that is in Vegas, too.
tony shaffer
That is Vegas, too.
tim pool
That's just lower elevation.
Higher elevation is the other snow.
phil labonte
I mean, the same thing if you go to Hawaii in the wintertime, if you're on the big island, the peak, if you go up to Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa, like the
peaks will have snow. The first time that I went to the big island, we tried to go to the peak and we can only go to
the way station. They're like, yeah, no one's going up top.
unidentified
There's a snowstorm, y'all die. So all right, we'll grab some more super chats.
tim pool
Let's go.
Steven Sanders says, Tim, how does anyone hold government accountable for suing a city or police for unrest?
Lawyers are impossible to find in Florida.
I was arrested for not wearing a mask on federal property in December of 2022.
Can't beg an attorney to sue them fast enough advice.
unidentified
I don't know.
tony shaffer
Well, I don't know.
I've refused to wear a mask.
I just got written up for and suspended from the base for doing that, so I don't know.
tim pool
We were in West Virginia and nobody wore masks.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So we didn't really think anything of it.
When we drove into D.C., though, it was crazy.
In Frederick, Maryland, it was hilarious because the story I had was Allison and I went to
a sushi place.
We walked in.
The seat is 10 feet in front of us.
And we were like, yeah, two.
And they're like, you have to put a mask on.
I look around.
I'm like, nobody's wearing any masks.
And like, well, they're eating.
And I was like, I'll just sit down.
And they were like, but you have to put a mask on.
I'm like, the chair is there.
Can I sit down?
And they're like, no.
And then all the employees were like, wear the mask.
And I was like, this is weird.
tony shaffer
It was obsessive.
tim pool
They wanted me to put a mask on, sit down, take it off.
It would have been two seconds and then I would throw it in the garbage.
I'm like, well, I don't understand.
That makes no sense.
It was creepy.
It was like a cult.
tony shaffer
No, it's like being on an airplane.
You really think that wearing a mask is going to stop whatever contaminants you have in your nose going all over the airplane?
tim pool
Oh, the funny thing was we had these space helmets.
This guy created a company where they... Oh, that's right!
I remember those.
He made these glass dome helmets with a HEPA filter in it.
And it was like, then when you're on a plane, you're breathing fresh air.
The funny thing is the planes didn't allow it.
The regulation wasn't a law.
The order was you had to wear a cloth face mask, no gaiters.
So someone, apparently people had showed up to the airplanes with these $200 plastic dome helmets and they were like, so you have to wear a mask.
And they're like, but I am.
And they're like, no, put a mask on.
It's like, but I'm wearing a space helmet.
They're like, we don't care.
tony shaffer
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm wearing my own personal air filter.
And they're like, that's not as good as this mask that we pulled out of your pocket.
tim pool
All right, let's go.
Beavis McLean says, Tim, you gave me the inspiration for this addition to the Culture War.
Listen to the Camo Comedy Podcast, 2Ms in Camo, available now on all platforms.
Hilarious stories from military service, such as two GIs unwittingly picking a bar fight with an Olympic judo champion team.
That sounds like a good one.
The premise itself was funny enough.
Sounds good.
What is that?
Camo Comedy, C-A-M-M-O, Comedy Podcast.
Check that one out.
Here we go.
Eric S. says, I think President Trump is playing it safe by complying with the legal system, which can attract voters who value his adherence to the law.
Okay.
Let's just pause real quick.
This is not in the legal system.
This is called extra legal and it's not law.
If there was a statute on the books that said, if you do this thing, you've committed a crime, that would be Trump adhering to the law.
No, it's not actually illegal anywhere to ask someone not to publish a story about you or defame you.
In fact, it's typically, it's very common among every political campaign ever to try and control information.
It's called public relations and marketing.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
They're arguing what Trump did was illegal because he was influencing the election by doing marketing for his campaign.
seamus coughlin
And by the way, like, after years of looking into every aspect of this person's life with one of the most sophisticated intelligence apparatuses that has ever existed in all of human history, this is the kind of stuff they're trying to pick at him for.
unidentified
Yep.
Yep.
tim pool
Gettin' It says, you guys are beautiful, just like Lizzo.
That is so sweet.
There's a funny bit from Casey Shornema and she's like, guys don't know when to end a sentence.
They'll say things like, you are the most beautiful woman in the world to me.
hannah claire brimelow
I had a friend, I think she married him in the end, but her boyfriend said, you know, I just love your eyes.
I love your beady little eyes.
Your beady little eyes.
That's great.
I didn't really think about what it meant.
tim pool
You have beady little eyes.
unidentified
That's hilarious.
tim pool
That's great.
That was, Phil tweeted that.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Saying, you are beautiful just like Lizzo would be interpreted as an insult.
And I was like, it's how you turn a compliment into one of the most offensive insults is, you're so beautiful, just like Lizzo.
unidentified
And that's the... Let's see how body positive they are.
phil labonte
All hell will break loose.
seamus coughlin
What was the bit people were doing for a while where they would just comment on liberal women's pictures and go, you are such a beautiful trans woman.
tim pool
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
That's like, if the woman gets mad, that's transphobic.
tony shaffer
Exactly.
You got it both ways, so to speak.
tim pool
Durain Gaming says, Tim, you're wrong about the hacking terms.
It's not white, black, and gray.
It's blue, red, and purple.
Those terms are racist now.
I kid, but that was actual training I had to take as a DoD contractor.
I don't know if they did, but they tried getting rid of master and slave from coding.
So those were just terms.
hannah claire brimelow
Real estate agents got rid of master bedroom.
They say owner's room or like main suite.
tony shaffer
Oh, that's better.
Owner's room.
It's like slavery.
It's rough.
tim pool
I think we should just designate rooms in the new studio just like as offensively as possible.
tony shaffer
That'd be a good idea.
tim pool
Like we'll call the green room the maid's quarters or, you know, we'll call the downstairs the master's control room.
seamus coughlin
Just like, yeah, needlessly gender every single word.
tim pool
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Or every single position.
tim pool
The no-women-allowed studio room.
seamus coughlin
Like, podcast man instead of podcaster.
hannah claire brimelow
I think we should.
tony shaffer
He-man, woman-haters club.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I love that.
I find this to be one of my favorite things when you're writing, and like, there is a technical use of the term representative to talk about someone from Congress, but I find myself intentionally being like, Congress man, Congress woman.
Like, they also will try and Make it like performer instead of actor or actress.
All the gendered language all the time.
unidentified
Save it.
tim pool
My favorite PC term is I'm Bugs Person.
hannah claire brimelow
What?
tim pool
I'm Bugs Person?
seamus coughlin
Oh no!
tim pool
I was reading an article and they said I'm Bugs Person and I was like, oh that is awesome.
seamus coughlin
There was one I heard years ago, Christina Hoff Summers talked about this, but she said that literally we're refusing to say seminar and we're saying aviolar.
What?
I get it.
tim pool
I love, uh, there was like the post about, um, some feminists was like, his story, this is his story.
And then they went off on this tirade and then some, a linguist actually corrected them and was like, you're way off.
This is completely wrong.
a men and a women. Remember that? Oh yeah. Right before COVID started. There was uh people saying
that uh feminists would say that wo means belong to. So wo men was literally saying that women
belong to men. And then someone had to break down that actually they come from two different
phil labonte
language roots. I love I love how like all the the the attempts at you know making the gender
equalization or whatever that the fountains and I love how they're all really stupid.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, they're dumb.
phil labonte
Yeah, they're dumb.
hannah claire brimelow
They're really, really dumb.
tim pool
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tony shaffer
you Yes, I do.
So, shout out to Six Hour for sponsoring the stuff I do a lot of the time.
Project Sentinel.
Project Sentinel is something you all would like because it looks at how we can return to constitutional governance, both DOD, commercial, going back to the states and all that.
So, of course, I'm giving Tim, copies of my books.
Operation Dark Heart, my undercover adventures in Afghanistan.
I opened with an air assault on the Rangers and ended up giving full-body massages to females in combat.
You don't want to miss that.
It's a lot of fun.
tim pool
I'm not joking.
tony shaffer
I got yelled at for two hours in the Pentagon for admitting that in the book.
unidentified
I did.
tony shaffer
A two-star general named Arnold yelled at me for two hours about that.
Anyway, of course, the last line.
We predicted what would happen in the southwest border ten years ago.
Alex Jones likes it because I actually got the Bohemian Grove into it.
He loved it.
Check it out.
And then I have a radio show, The Hard Truth, on America Out Loud Network.
And, uh, obviously, I'm here with you guys, so I enjoy being here.
Thank you for having me.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you on social media?
Can they follow you there?
unidentified
I am.
tony shaffer
T Spooky.
T Spooky on Twitter.
T Spooky.
And then, um, Facebook, Twitter, and all that.
So just, you can look me up.
Tony Schafer.
seamus coughlin
So I make animated cartoons on a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
You guys can go check those out.
We release one every single week.
We're trying to build culture, do funny stuff, and we're able to churn these cartoons out really quickly with the help of viewers, supporters, such as you, potentially.
If you want to help us continue what we're doing, go to freedomtunes.com.
You'll get a bunch of extra cartoons that are only behind the paywall, and you'll also get to watch a behind-the-scenes podcast.
That I host with several of the cartoonists who I work with to get those videos done.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
That's Skinner News.
It's my favorite news team on Earth.
If you want to follow our work, follow it at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at hannahclaire.b and I'm on Twitter at hcbrimlow.
Thank you guys so much.
Bye, Phil!
phil labonte
My name is, uh, I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I am PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
We are going to be on tour.
Tickets go on sale this Friday for the Destroy All Enemies Tour with Megadeth, Mudvayne, and All That Remains.
The first show is August 2nd going through September 28th.
You can follow all that remains on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, Amazon Music, YouTube, you know, the internet.
And don't forget, the left lane is for crime.
And I'm Serge.
unidentified
Hope you guys like the show.
Let's get to the next one.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in about a minute.
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