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TIKTOK BAN HAS PASSED, Bill Moves To Senate, Trump OPPOSES Ban w/Jake Denton | Timcast IRL

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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Start the show off with a bang!
		The big... here we go.
		How's everyone doing?
unidentified		Good.
		I don't understand what's going on.
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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The... today's show starts with a technical error.
unidentified		That should work.
unidentified		I know.
alex jones ▲ ● ▼		Alright!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Here we go!
		The big news today is that the House has passed a bill that would see TikTok banned in the U.S.
		or they would have to divest from foreign adversary ownership.
		It's resulted in a lot of contentious debate with many individuals on social media saying It's a trick!
		So they can ban Rumble, or X, and give the president the authority to censor Americans, and... I read the bill, and I have no idea what any of these people are talking about.
		Out-of-context clips being posted on social media, snippets of the bill without any further reading, people completely ignoring the text of the attached USC, and I'm like, I kinda don't think anybody actually read this.
		I also think it's kind of strange that you had this big push in favor of banning TikTok because their algorithm is driving young people insane, provably.
		But now, all of a sudden, people are like, no, actually, I oppose this.
		And either they're just completely wrong or they're lying.
		Look, shout out, I like Thomas Massey.
		He's a good dude.
		But he's wrong.
		And I can't understand why he's going so heavily against this, sharing these out-of-context clips from the bill.
		I read the bill, and he ignored a bunch of extremely important context about the argument that certain websites can be banned.
		It's ridiculously specific what the bill says, basically only banning TikTok and creating a ridiculously difficult path towards any kind of other censorship that would in no way actually reach RumbleX or any other platform.
		There is a potential circuitous argument they might, but we're gonna pull up the bill and we're gonna show you We're going to show you the attached United States Code and we'll talk about it.
		You don't have to like it.
		That's fine.
		You can be in favor of TikTok.
		TikTok, that's fine.
		I just, I think it's important we actually know what the bill does before so many people jump to either supporting or opposing it.
		The other big news is that the judge in the Georgia case against Donald Trump has dismissed six of 47 charges.
		So I guess it's, uh, you know, it's interesting news.
		I don't know how much it changes.
		Uh, Fonny Willis will likely continue, and some people are saying this shows that he likely will not be dismissing her.
		So this will be interesting.
		And then, of course, there was a big story about an individual, a teenager who was non-binary, and the left said she was beaten to death for being trans or non-binary, and they blamed libs of TikTok.
		We now know that, uh, sadly and unfortunately, This young teenager committed suicide.
		It was completely unrelated to any of these things, as far as we know.
		And, of course, that narrative was fake, so we're going to pull that up and talk about that.
		In the UK, they've banned puberty blockers, so we've got some big news.
		And we will jump into those stories.
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		Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Jake Denton.
unidentified		Thanks for having me.
unidentified		It's great to be here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, who are you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you do?
unidentified		Yeah, my name is Jake Denton.
		I'm a research associate in the Tech Policy Center at the Heritage Foundation.
		So I cover everything from artificial intelligence policy to bills like this TikTok one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you see that video from Figure One?
unidentified		Is that the robotics company, correct?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a robot and they combined it with ChatGPT.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And this is what some people never thought this was going to happen.
		We always thought that AI was going to be like, hello, I can lift this for you.
		And they actually gave it a fake stutter.
		They gave the robot a fake stutter so that when the guy says, can you give me something to eat?
		He goes, yeah, actually.
		And it's like, oh, it's so creepy!
		But this will be fun.
		So you happen to know a lot about this, Bill, and what's going on on social media.
		So perfect timing having you here.
		Should be a good time.
		We got Carter Banks hanging out.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		What's up, guys?
		Carter Banks here.
		I make music here at TimCast.
		We're hanging out here.
		And we got Chris.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Hey, thanks.
		Chris Carr.
		I'm the executive editor at SCNR.com.
		That's Scanner News.
		And thanks for having me back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		Carter had a good joke insulting Chris Cuomo earlier.
		Maybe we'll get to that later.
		PatrickBetDavid hired Chris Cuomo.
		I am deeply disappointed.
		I think it's a huge mistake.
		We'll talk about that as well.
		PatrickBetDavid responded to me saying he trusts in capitalism.
		Told me to keep kicking ass.
		He's a smart guy.
		He's a good guy.
		I really like the work he does, but I have no idea what he's doing.
		We'll see.
		But anyway, Serge is pressing the buttons.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I'm here, what's up?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, let's jump into that first story from the New York Times!
		House passes bill to force TikTok sale from Chinese owner or ban the app.
		The legislation received wide bipartisan support with both Republicans and Democrats showing an eagerness to appear tough on China.
		So it was, what did it bill?
		It passed 352 to 65.
		Massively bipartisan.
		And what we're seeing right now is a divided punditry class on social media.
		I believe Sagar and Jenny had the best response to this and he said, it's very simple.
		We are not allowed to do business in China.
		Why are they allowed to do business here?
		Simple question.
		He gave a much more deep and thorough explanation than just that, but I think he made probably the best point in all of this.
		However, what I see from most people.
		Tucker Carlson making the point that they could just ban anything.
		You've got Michael Tracy arguing that it could ban a website, a desktop application, mobile application, augmented or immersive technology.
		I gotta tell you, this one really, really bothered me.
		By all means, if you think the bill should not pass because TikTok should be freely allowed to operate their algorithms in the United States affecting the U.S.
unidentified		population, fine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's your opinion.
		Say it?
		Great.
		I disagree.
		I think it is a serious issue when a foreign adversary, namely China, is manipulating the algorithm so the likes of Dylan Mulvaney become particularly prominent in American culture.
		Why would we allow a foreign adversary to dictate what we build in culture is insane to me.
		And as most of you know, I think culture, it's, it's, Andrew Reitbart said, culture is politics are downstream from culture, nothing's more important.
		In terms of winning the political battle, you have to build the cultural base.
		and a Chinese application that not only is collecting our data is going to deeply affect
		politics.
		Take a look at what just happened.
		When they were proposing this bill, Tick Tock sent a notification to everyone saying call
		your reps and stop them from doing this.
		That is an insane amount of power for a foreign adversary to have.
		Now imagine this.
		You get China about to invade Taiwan, and you have a bunch of politicians with varying
		opinions on it.
		Imagine there is the there is someone of the there are many members of Congress who have
		publicly stated we will not.
		We will not allow China to build military bases, invade Taiwan.
		So what happens?
		A week before election day, TikTok sends out a notification to only the people they believe will vote Democrat or in opposition and say, don't forget to vote.
		We learned that from Dr. Robert Epstein.
		So now, while many people are concerned about what this bill can do, I want to, uh, we'll discuss it and break down what it can and cannot do.
		And the first thing I will say, many people are asking, why is it?
		Why now?
		Donald Trump wanted to ban TikTok.
		Most people agreed with it back then.
		And that bill was way worse.
		And now that there's actually something that's very narrow and limited moving through, for some reason, everyone on the right is saying, no, we shouldn't do this.
		Even Donald Trump.
		The one thing I will say is that changed?
		Israel.
		The catalyst for this, in my opinion, was that when woke garbage is appearing on TikTok and it's flooding the feeds of all these young people and literally driving them to self-harm, Tourette's, and suicide, it's psychotic.
		Instagram's no saint here either.
		Nobody cares.
		As soon as October 7th happens, TikTok begins showing prominently pro-Palestine content more so than pro-Israel content, resulting in a paranoid eruption from many politicians saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, this undermines American interests in the Middle East.
		Now they want to ban or control the app.
		But Jake, I know you have a lot of understanding of this.
		So can you break down the gist of what the bill does?
		We can pull it up too and show people.
unidentified		Absolutely.
		So I think the most important thing to understand right at the top is that this bill is about the conduct of ByteDance, not the content on TikTok.
		And so right off the rip when this was announced, you had all sorts of corporate lobbyists coming out and saying this is a First Amendment violation.
		There is no First Amendment protection for data harvesting operations that are sending data back to China and using it against the American people.
		And so this bill aims to address that phenomenon, not the content on the platform.
		And this is where it gets difficult.
		There's a million reasons to ban TikTok.
		This just happens to be about the data.
		And so this is the pathway they chose.
		And what the bill does is that it names four adversary states, Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran.
		Only apps within those countries that also pose a national security threat that also look essentially just like TikTok, that is why they named TikTok, it's structured around TikTok, could ever be covered.
		And so you have all this misinformation floating around from corporate lobbyists that are trying to appeal to your emotions, right?
		Like, we all love Rumble, we all love X.
		So the first thing they claim is that this is going to be used to ban Rumble and X. And you're being sold a bill of goods, right?
		Like they are trying to appeal to your emotion, trying to activate you against your congressional member to kill this thing.
		And it is not organic.
		There's a lot of money floating around.
		These are paid comments being made.
		And it is a Chinese influence operation from the top down.
		Like what do you call sending push notifications to millions of devices with outright lies about the contents of the bill and asking them to call their member?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is what we saw from Thomas Massey.
		He grabbed a snippet of this, highlighted a single word, and tweeted out the image.
		And all of a sudden I'm seeing tons of people being like, whoa, this bans websites!
		It bans websites where you can create an account, Generate content, share content, create an account, view content, and it has to be from one of four countries, and that's basically saying, like, TikTok.com.
		It doesn't ban you from viewing the website.
		It doesn't ban anyone from going to the website or using it.
		It restricts U.S.
		companies from providing hosting services to adversary apps.
		That means, under this bill, what would happen is TikTok could still exist, but you'd have to download the app through the APK, and you'd have to jailbreak your iPhone.
		Now certainly that does effectively ban it for most people who use iPhones, but you're still able to go to any website you want even if it's run in China.
		The section that Thomas Massey posted, I'll read it for you.
		It says, The term foreign adversary controlled application means a website, desktop application, mobile application, or augmented or immersive technology application that is operated directly or indirectly, including through a parent company, subsidiary, or affiliate by A. Any of 1.
		ByteDance Ltd 2.
		TikTok 3.
		A subsidiary or a successor to any entity identified in Clause 1 or 2 that is controlled by a foreign adversary or An entity owned, controlled, directly or indirectly by an entity identified in Clause 1 or 2, 3, or a covered company, B, a covered company that 1.
		Is controlled by a foreign adversary and 2.
		That is determined by the President to present a significant threat to the national security of the United States following the issuance of 1.
		A public notice proposing such determination and 2.
		A public report to Congress submitted not less than 30 days before such determination describing the specific national security concern involved and containing a classified annex and a description of what assets would need to be divested to execute a qualified divestiture.
		The important thing to understand here, the bill does not ban anything It outright says you must divest.
		In the instance, the president says, hey, this website that allows people to create accounts, log in, post content, and other people to log in, post, and view that content has investment from Iran.
		I hereby decree as a threat, you have to divest that.
		So what would happen?
		The app would not be banned.
		They would simply say, hey, this Iranian guy who owns $10 million in the app, we've got
		to, he's got to sell that to someone else.
		Otherwise the company can't operate here.
		It just ensures that there are American interests controlling the app.
		This doesn't mean that, you know, a lot of people are like, this means the CIA will control
		Like, the CIA could shut down Twitter or X right now.
		Right now.
		With or without this bill.
		So, I don't even think this bill is particularly the most effective thing.
		Now, here's the important part that I think Thomas Massey should have included.
		Section 4, just below what I read, says, the term foreign adversary country means a country specified in Section 4872D2 of Title 10 U.S.
		Code, which is specifically the Republic of North Korea, the Republic of China, Russian Federation, or the Islamic Republic of Iran.
		That's it!
		If there is a website application, augmentive whatever, blah blah blah, that is controlled and operated by those four countries, by individuals working or companies from those countries, or people working for those countries, they would have to divest that interest, otherwise companies in the United States would not be allowed to provide hosting services.
		The app still exists.
		The network still exists.
		Anyone can still use it.
		You can still go to all of the crazy Iranian social media websites you want without any limitation.
		Except you can't download it on the App Store.
		That's what's happening.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		So unless Axe or Rumble was basically controlled and operated in the DPR Korea or the Islamic State of Russia, then nothing would happen with that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the only... and I don't see this being a real issue, but like, if a guy from China buys a bunch of public stock legally in the app, then they would go to them and say, hey, he has to sell that, I guess?
unidentified		Well, what's interesting here is it's not even all applications coming from these countries.
		It's applications that also pose a national security threat.
		And when you really look at the App Store right now, and you try and look at, you know, what else could we add to this list?
		Maybe WeChat, Lemonade, a subsidiary of ByteDance anyways.
		Like, there really isn't much left.
		We already established prior to the show starting, like, you can't even go after Telegram with this.
		Like, that is one that they would all love to go after.
		And it's not even included in this.
		It's such a narrow frame.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And look, there's a super chat right here from Nick Terpetro who says, Tim, I seldom disagree with you, but the vagueness of this bill is terrifying.
		It gives the president unilateral and plenary authority to ban any website or app they want.
		No, it doesn't!
		Look, man, it's mind-blowing when I see so many people marching in lockstep believing something that is not correct.
		You can oppose the bill.
		You can say, I don't think we should force TikTok to divest.
		But the bill does not ban anything unless they refuse to divest from these countries or these individuals, which would mean Donald Trump or Joe Biden would have to come out and say, Rumble is being, Rumble, specifically this individual within Rumble who has control in this way, receives funding in this way from this country, he needs to stop doing that, otherwise we will restrict it from being hosted in the United States.
		And then go, oh, okay, John, hey, that foreign agent contract you have, you gotta stop.
		That's the first step.
		It's got a judicial review section, right of action, a petition for review challenging this act or any action finding a determination under this act may be filed only in the state's courts of DC.
		And a lot of people are saying, aha, but DC, that means it'll always go through because, you know, Democrats and censorship or whatever.
		The United States Court of Appeals in the District of Columbia Circuit shall have exclusive jurisdiction over any challenge to the Act, finding, termination, etc., etc.
		Statute of Limitations, a challenge may only be brought within 165 days.
		The most important thing to understand, this bill only bans things as a... I can't think of the word.
		Banning is an action taken in the event divestiture does not happen.
		What the bill does is trigger a requirement for divestiture.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		Yeah.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I thought the FCC member, I think his name is Brendan Carr, he had a pretty good thorough breakdown of this about explaining very clearly the hoops that have to be jumped through.
		You know, it's really threading a needle, this legislation.
		But in terms of the people that are losing their minds over this, I mean, these people are just traumatized by federal government legislation being weaponized in the past, right?
		I understand there's probably some bad faith arguments, but there's also people like the Libertarians, which I cover.
		I mean, they have...
		They basically live with that trauma for a long time, you know, so they see this and they're just triggered instantly, right?
		Which I kind of understand, I can sympathize with that, but it's not on the page.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I knew nothing about this until Tim explained that and like just listening to the last three minutes, there's so much criteria that would have to be met to qualify anything for this.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		It seems totally reasonable to me.
unidentified		Yeah, we all have PTSD of our government running afoul and using these pieces of legislation with crazy names to take away our rights.
		There isn't even a single mention of the individual within this bill.
		The Restrict Act got a ton of pushback because it could penalize an individual, it could give you a felony charge, all these different things.
		Individual isn't even mentioned in here.
		The only group penalized is a mega corporation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So here's a tweet from Brendan Carr of the FCC.
		He says, it would be concerning to many if the bill allowed this, in reference to Carlson.
		It does not.
		The text is definitive on this point.
		The bill does not apply to just any social media platform.
		Far from it.
		Here is the only and targeted application.
		One, if an individual user of the bill confers zero authority to the government over you.
		Two, the bill only applies to applications controlled by one of four foreign adversary governments previously codified in law by Congress, China, Iran, North Korea, or Russia.
		An act of Congress would be required to change that.
		The bill is clear that it is not enough to merely have operations there or do business there.
		It must be controlled by one of those four governments.
unidentified		3.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Even then, the bill only applies if the application presents a demonstrated and significant threat to national security.
		Control by one of the foreign governments alone isn't even enough under the bill.
		And then, only after public process provided and Congress reported to with a description of the specific national security threat.
		Now, that number four doesn't mean much to me.
		If a president wanted to make an argument for a threat, he's going to make his argument and Congress is going to go, oh, well, okay then.
		So that doesn't mean a whole lot.
		He says, every single one of those hoops and more must be cleared and met.
		So it is very narrow.
		It confers no authority to go after any other application, even if someone were to allege that it engaged in election interference.
		So in the event X or rumble, Was accused of like, say, by Ocasio-Cortez to Joe Biden of interference, then he's going to say, what interest does this app have in one of these four nations?
		And if so, what threat does this app pose to our national security?
		And if so, then we'll start by asking them to divest from that individual or country.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I mean, really, think about what we know about ByteDance has originated entirely from leaked internal documents that have been given to journalists at Forbes.
		We really don't even know a whole lot about this company.
		We know a whole lot about X and Rumble, right?
		They're American companies.
		Rumble is publicly traded.
		X was formerly publicly traded.
		They have a lot of reporting requirements.
		Americans are loudmouths, right?
		We talk about everything.
		We would know if these companies were compromised.
		It would be a very clear paper trail.
		There's just no pathway to this, and that's why this is so frustrating.
		It's like we're talking in circles.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's start with this question.
		Should a foreign country have the right to dictate to 170 million people in this country, not how many are actually active young people on the platform, but to millions of people in this country, what is culturally relevant?
		Should the United States allow the Communist Party of China To set the standard for content in the United States for its young generation.
		Guys, to all of these people who are saying like this bill is bad, I wonder how many of these exact same people have spammed the Yuri Bezmenov video about communists trying to infiltrate the country to infect the minds of our youth.
		And then we see on TikTok, what do you get?
		Dylan Mulvaney?
		The easiest example, because so many people are so concerned about how this unwell individual generates 10 million plus followers.
		They're intentionally jamming this stuff in the face of our young people to cause them self-harm.
		Now, what happens?
		Donald Trump says, we got to shut this down.
		It's one of the most egregious censors.
		It is one of the most woke, notorious woke up applications.
		And Trump says, let's stop this because it's it's there.
		They're tipping the scales against us.
		Democrats don't care.
		They say, no, we won't do it.
		And for sure, what came out of that was not good.
		Then Israel-Palestine happens.
		And all of a sudden, you've got a bunch of politicians being like, wait, wait, wait.
		China is showing, I think it's ten times more content of Palestine as the victims relative to Israel.
		I'm not here to make an argument for either of these countries.
		Because of that, now you get members of Congress saying, okay, now we finally agree, we want to make a move against this app.
		They cite data capture as an issue, and that is a serious issue, because it allows, seriously, the Communist Party of China to determine who votes and who doesn't vote.
		If you thought it was bad that Mark Zuckerberg put $500 million into elections, that Mark Zuckerberg can send out a... Dr. Robert Epstein told us.
		In their test jurisdiction, when they're tracking election manipulation, 100% of Democrats got a reminder to go vote, and only, I think he said 59% of Republicans got one.
		That is how you rig an election.
		That's bad.
		I think we should have legislation or something to stop Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, Axe, anybody, Rumble, from doing things like that.
		Why would we just be like, but it's okay that China does it.
		All I can say is, You- baby steps, I guess?
		I- I don't- I don't see how this bill could be done in literally any other way.
		Seriously.
		Unless it just outright said, like, for the purpose of this bill, TikTok is not allowed to operate in this country.
		The crazy thing is the bill is not even that authoritarian.
		It allows TikTok just to sell off its Chinese stake.
		And then it can keep operating like normal.
		It's actually kind of weak.
unidentified		Yeah, well you think about how nice of a gesture this is for a country that has been collecting troves of data, who has been surveilling American journalists, you know, tracing down their sources inside of China and harassing them, you know, sending blackout challenge videos to 12-year-olds encouraging them to kill themselves, encouraging young girls to become anorexic, you know, posting all of this, you know, vile content that we're taking in every single day and we're still allowing them to profit off of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's answer this question, because people are really trying to understand this.
		And I think what's happening is, a lot of people are hearing talking points from social media pundits who did not read the bill.
		So Nick Terpstra says, Tim, what does this mean then?
		Quote, a social media company that is controlled by a foreign adversary and has been determined by the president to present a significant threat to national security.
		Sure.
		It means it's a social media app that is controlled by North Korea, China, Iran, or Russia.
		The president must determine it's a national security threat, provide a report to Congress, and then If this enforcement action moves forward, said social media app unfortunately must sell off the portion of its company or divest from these foreign nations.
		It doesn't even ban them!
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Only if they don't do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So TikTok, a portion of it is owned by China.
		When you operate a company in China, you have to be under the Communist Party.
		They would never allow the US to do that in their country.
		And they have, I believe, a board seat, is that correct?
unidentified		Correct, yeah, 1% ownership stake and a board seat.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so this bill is basically like, hey, TikTok, that 1% stake has to be sold off
		and that guy can't be on the board.
		That's what the bill says.
		That's it.
		And for all other apps, it would mean that in the event a social media app, website, destination, etc., that it has to meet all the criteria of a social media platform, meaning, I believe it has to have more than a million users.
unidentified		It does, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You have to be able to log in.
		You have to be able to post content.
		The content has to be shared by the platform to other users who get to log in and view it.
		Very specific.
		In that circumstance, if A percentage of the company is owned or controlled by individuals in one of four countries.
		The president can submit a report demanding that they divest from that country.
		That's it?! !
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		That's it?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		So they basically they're just saying like you can't you could still turn TikTok into a you're constantly spamming all this stuff but you just can't do it to people personalized once they log in.
		No.
		Unless you give up the one communist party seat that's in in this company right now in China also.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's it's it's kind of wild that you know when when Tom Cotton was interviewing the CEO of TikTok He asked him very good questions.
		Have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?
		He's like, no, I'm from Singapore.
		Have you ever served or worked with?
		No, I'm from Singapore.
		Oh, geez, I can't believe I'm being asked these questions.
		That guy led investment rounds for many Chinese owned companies.
		So it's a good question to ask.
		And then you get a bunch of young leftists being like, Tom Cotton is so stupid.
		Why would he ask such a dumb question?
		If this bill passes, and it likely will, what is likely going to happen, or I should say, I don't know if it'll happen because TikTok is saying they won't do it, right?
unidentified		Yeah, they're saying they're not going to divest, which, you know, you gotta just see it through.
unidentified		We won't know until it's on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So think about this.
		TikTok, with all of its claims about how big its platform is, and I don't know if I believe their claims, in my personal opinion, it seems fishy to me that TikTok would have as many users as they claim to have.
		They would be willing to shut their company down in the United States instead of selling off a 1% stake.
		That makes no sense.
unidentified		Well, you know, it wouldn't be like a $100 billion transfer if they sold to a U.S.
		company.
		Like, proper divestment.
		This is a massive sale, and that's when a lot of the speculation has been floating around of, like, who's gonna buy it.
		There's plenty of bidders out there.
		Yeah, well, it's like even Sam Altman has, you know, name has been thrown out for this.
		But, you know, it really begs the question of, like, what is there that you're not comfortable divesting from?
		It is not the monetary value.
		It is the access to the American people.
		It becomes very clear that that is what they are trying desperately to hold on to.
		It's the ability to send you a push notification.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not a hardcore libertarian where I'd sit back and be like, I think it's perfect.
		I can't imagine why someone would think it's perfectly acceptable.
		That China can manipulate and interfere in our elections directly.
		And I've heard every argument about, oh, Facebook and Twitter were interfering and Russia was interfering.
		Russia posting memes?
		Spare me.
		China having a board seat and control of an app that is pushing the likes of Dylan Mulvaney on the young generation?
		Okay, fine.
		You think this bill is bad?
		I still think we need to take action to limit TikTok or have it divest from the Chinese Communist Party.
		But if, look, this is the issue I take with most of the libertarians is that they're like, yes, the communists are crossing the southern border and they're, Yuri Bezmenov was right, they're trying to overthrow American institutions, but we should not take enforcement action against them because of free speech.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Or TikTok isn't breaking the NAP, non-aggressive principle, so.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		And there's open border libertarians that will probably make that argument, oddly enough.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So all I can say is this.
		You're allowed to not agree with this bill.
		We don't have to see eye to eye.
		But I can tell you that 99% of the pundits on social media that are sharing snippets from this haven't read it.
		Because when they're saying things like it could ban a website, I'm like, no, no, no, no.
		It could ban a website run directly by the government of one of four countries.
		And if a North Korean guy somehow got a website from his country, a social media platform, And with a million users!
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		That's the craziest thing!
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		There's no way!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The absurdity of what people are saying is the president could ban any website that's based in Iran that is a social media platform with more than a million users and I'm like... If they don't divest!
		Yeah, if they don't divest.
		It's very strange to me to see so many high-profile people attacking this and it makes no sense.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I think, you know, corporate interest in DC is very compelling.
		A lot of money is flowing and those people who we view as, you know, great stewards of our message in many instances can be swayed by these things.
		And, you know, it's a shame that it is that way.
		I think, you know, you look at the big tech legislation that we've tried to pass over the last like 10 years, every single bill fails, right?
		Like it is not just TikTok.
		It is every company.
		They come to DC and they make all these big spends.
		But this is the right thing to do.
		This is for the American people.
		It makes us safer.
		It makes your son and daughter's data safe and secure in the States.
		And that is really what this is about.
		It's about basically putting America first and ensuring that we're not digitally vulnerable to our foremost adversary.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
		I mean, but the thing is, even though they failed the reading test, I do tend to sympathize with these people that see a bipartisan piece of legislation with this much support and they just start seething, you know?
		And they probably can't even read straight, you know?
		Their vision's getting blurry because they're seeing this happen.
		And, you know, like I said earlier, but yeah.
		I mean, you guys are making a good point.
		I follow up.
unidentified		I think there's a very clear pathway at this point.
		Unfortunately, it looks like the Democrats will likely get the victory out of this, and I think this is a Republican issue.
		I think this is something that we took the lead on.
		You know, the Trump executive order set the tone here.
		The Heritage Foundation, where I work, we were sounding the alarm well before the Trump executive order.
		As early as like 2018 we were making waves about this.
		This should have been a Republican victory and we are just giving it to the Democrats.
		That's unfortunate but it's the reality and it doesn't mean we shouldn't pass this.
		It is a win for the American people at the end of the day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, we'll see, but let's jump to some of the other big news of the day.
		We have this one from the Washington Post.
		Georgia judge dismisses six charges in Trump election interference case.
		He now faces 10 charges instead of 13.
		He is still accused of criminally conspiring to try to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
		This is interesting.
		So I think, yes, it dismissed six of the 41 counts in the indictment against Trump and his allies from 47 to 41.
		And I think, like, the principle, the main dismissal here is, like, that phone call where he said, find me, you know, find me the votes.
		The left came out and the Democrats, they were like, find me.
		He's saying to make them.
		And I was like, or he's saying, like, count the votes and recount them and figure out what happened or what's going on.
		It's just that simple.
		But a lot of people are saying that this is an indication that he's not going to dismiss Fonny Willis.
		And so, it's big news.
		I don't know what there is to really say about it other than, like, we get what's going on in this country.
		The country's being ripped apart.
		I do actually, you know, throwing it back to the previous segment, I think it's funny that we have a bipartisan effort in this TikTok divestment bill.
		Why would anyone in this country actually find common ground on something that's very strange, especially when stuff like this is happening?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, it's a total sham show trial that they're just targeting our leader, right?
		I mean, it's as clear as day at this point.
		There is really no merit to the case.
		They are making one out of thin air, and they're trying to drain resources.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you see the Robert Herr testimony?
unidentified		Just snippets.
unidentified		Obviously, it's more TikTok related to this today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, right, right.
		Yeah, and so seeing this, you know, we had Kurt Mills on the show yesterday in the Members Only, we argued a bit.
		I just feel like Republicans do absolutely nothing.
		And someone commented, Republicans hold office, Democrats hold power.
		And I was like, yeah, that sounds about right.
		That's exactly what's going on.
		The challenge, I guess, is when Kurt and I were discussing the issue of abortion on the Members Only show, His attitude was very much political victories are more important than moral victories.
		And so what I see with the Republican Party is a bunch of...
		Uh, conservative morals wearing a moderate mask to try and convince people they're moderates.
		And I'm just confused by that.
		I'm confused.
		You know, with Donald Trump and the MAGA party, people like Marjorie Taylor Greene have no problem telling you what their morals are.
		They will strongly stand by them.
		They'll say, you know, no, abortion is bad, I don't care.
		But then there are a lot of people in the Republican Party who play the game of trying to be friends with Democrats who despise and hate them.
		And will criminally charge them in seconds.
		Lock them in gulags.
		But they're trying to win by masking their morals and not making an argument for why their morals are right.
		How is there supposed to be any right-wing victory ever if there's quite literally just a center and a left arguing over what to do?
unidentified		Yeah, well, it's like we're scared to own that we're conservative, right?
		You walk around town and everyone wants to be invited to the party.
		They like to play nice, so they get to go to the nice fancy fundraisers.
		And that really just hurts the middle Americans that are actually sending these representatives there to get legislation across the finish line, and it never materializes.
		And we get these political victories that are signaling bills, and they change a couple of words.
		But when morale is so low in this country, when the former president is on trial, you need moral victories.
		You need morale to be boosted across the country.
		People don't go out to the ballot box, right?
		You actually have to show that things are getting better.
		Ride the metro, right?
		It is an absolute mess in this country.
		You can't walk downtown.
		Our daughters, you send off to college and they never come home.
		Who is going to the ballot box, right?
		That is really where things start to hit the fan.
		We have to look in the mirror and ask ourselves, when will you get the morale lift?
		Because it doesn't come from these little political bills.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, I see with, uh, when the George Floyd incident happened, a bunch of conservatives came out and they were like, wow, this is really bad.
		We're here.
		We stand with the left.
		And then once things started to become clear, many of them were like, okay, wait a minute.
		Something else is going on here.
		But then the Ahmaud Arbery thing happened, and a whole bunch of conservatives went, see, this proves we're not racist.
		And I was like, why are you trying to prove to communists that you're not racist, instead of standing on your morals and telling them to shut up?
		So you got all these people in the middle of the road, and they have only one moral framework being argued to them, it's leftist.
		Many people on the right are refusing to engage because they're like, but then I won't get any votes.
		And I'm like, okay, well then the run-of-the-mill individual in this country does not hear the moral argument at all and can't even agree with it because they don't know it exists.
		So, if your position is that abortion is bad and should be outlawed completely, but you feel like, I would never win if I said that, so you only ever argue it should be restricted, great.
		The average person hears two arguments.
		Unrestricted and lightly restricted.
		And then no one has ever made the point to them, maybe we shouldn't allow it at all.
		This is what we end up seeing with the criminal charges against Trump.
		Why don't Republicans criminally charge Joe Biden?
		Well, because it could be bad for them and they might not win an election.
		It's more important to win the election.
		And I'm like, maybe for the average person in this country, they need to see Joe Biden put in cuffs so they can be convinced he's done things wrong.
		And so long as Republicans keep saying, no, no, no, no, no, don't do that.
		Otherwise we won't win.
		Then the American people just see Donald Trump being arrested and think he must be guilty.
		And Joe Biden doesn't, he must be innocent.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Right, it's like the left is always appealing to emotions, and I feel like the Republicans are trying not to do that, but there is kind of like a fine... there's a middle ground where you kind of have to do that at some point, like it's not always the best to not just use logic and reasoning to...
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		To get to people, but you have to, in this case, I feel like.
unidentified		Well, it's like, we have all these promises of these impeachment trials and these investigations, and, you know, we've done a lot of investigations, but where are the impeachment trials?
		Now, suddenly, we're, you know, months away from Election Day, and we have, like, a one-seat majority due to all these, like, sudden retirements.
		And so, we just totally piss away everything we worked for, and now we don't even have a pathway to actualize, materialize any of these things.
		So, you campaign, and then you just go, we'll get them next time, right?
		And it's like, At a certain point, people stop believing there's going to be a next time.
		And that is kind of where we're at.
		Morale is very low.
		We do not think things are going to get better.
		And there needs to be a figurehead, a leader, that is going to pull us out of it.
		It's Trump, and that's why they're going after him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why I feel like the end result of all this is just things get bad.
		To what degree, I don't know, you know, but that's why I'm always saying that culture is
		substantially more important. That's why TikTok is so dangerous. It completely undermines cultural
		efforts from those opposing the woke machine, and it's foreign controlled, so you can't even do
		proper FOIA requests against them to figure out what's going on. Like, you're ever gonna get,
		you know, with, uh, let me say this.
		If TikTok is forced to divest, and they actually do, and you get rumble or some American interest buying it, Imagine the emails that get released.
		You thought the Twitter files were wild?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Wait for the TikTok files.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Force them to divest so that we get an American company, and you know what?
		The funny thing is, you'll get Democrats on board with it.
		You know why?
		Because it's going to show the Chinese Communist Party saying things like, we want to manipulate, we want to interfere, and even Democrats are going to be like, we can earn brownie points with this, publish it.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Or you'll find out that what you were thinking about, the potentially not realness of all these people, That could be a thing. Yeah, well, you know, what's really
unidentified		interesting here is just like the Facebook files and the Twitter files, there are likely
		TikTok files where the White House was in active communication with a Chinese-owned enterprise like
		TikTok on the basis of content moderation.
		You look back a couple of Earth days ago, and the TikTok app actually banned climate denialism,
		and it totally stopped any of the messaging on banning TikTok in the States.
		And that is a concession, right?
		You look at the fact pattern of the Facebook files and the Twitter files, it stopped all criticisms of the content moderation regime.
		They did the exact same playbook and suddenly TikTok is like in clean, totally good standing.
		And then it takes, you know, a crisis to basically bring it back into question.
		And that is where we're at.
		And there are definitely interesting skeletons to be unearthed in the case of a divestment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I actually think, you know, just to bring these stories together, the TikTok thing is a really great example of why there is no real right wing in this country.
		There is no organized, unified structure sharing an ideology that wants to accomplish anything.
		Doesn't exist.
		The left has it.
		AOC will say whatever they tell her to say.
		I mean, she just wants to be there.
		So Democrats, just, I mean, there's a viral video of these two young girls being interviewed, and they're asked how many genders there are.
		One girl starts answering, the other girl says, no, no, stop, don't say that on camera.
		Maybe it's fake, I don't know.
		But those things certainly are real, and I've experienced one of them, like it happened to me when a woman was speaking to me on camera and then tried to get me to delete the, no, no, no, delete that, delete that, you can't show that.
		They are terrified to oppose the machine.
		On the right, it's just infighting all day, every day, nonstop.
		And I'm sitting here wondering why we can't get criminal charges on Joe Biden, despite knowing for a fact he committed a crime.
		All elements of the crime were met, and he expressed intent and expressed his desire for financial gain from taking the documents and sharing them, which is an additional crime.
		No charges.
		None.
		And what's the argument for it?
		That we don't want to charge Biden because then he might win in November?
		And I'm like, Democrats literally go around mercilessly beating people.
		And I don't mean like Nancy Pelosi, I mean like progressive left-aligned and Democrat-aligned nonprofits and activists will go out and they'll beat people while advocating for Joe Biden.
		When you had people protesting in front of a hospital, protesting masks, Antifa should have beat the crap out of them and got into a fight.
		And it's like, they are willing to fight and beat people for this.
		And Republicans are like, don't tell anyone your opinion.
		Otherwise, they might vote the other way.
		My question to all the Republicans who think you shouldn't express your direct opinion, and I don't think it's this audience for the most part.
		My question is, why do you think it is the average person disagrees with your worldview?
		Do you think you were wrong?
		Is the reason why you're unwilling to criminally charge Joe Biden out of fear that you're wrong to do so?
		If you are right and you are justified, it should be easy to explain why you're right and you're justified in doing it.
		Yet for some reason, it doesn't happen.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I mean, it's really interesting.
		You know, you're always told in DC, you know, this just isn't the right time.
		You have this perfect bill, but you know, just give us a couple more months.
		The political climate will be better.
		It'll pass with flying colors.
		And it's like the exact same fact pattern here with the Biden trials.
		You get all this great evidence and like, just give us one more month.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not relevant anymore.
unidentified		It will strike when it's right.
		And it just never happens.
		And now we're at the end of this Congress.
		You know, it's coming to a close.
		They're all going to leave to go campaign.
		Nothing really is going to happen until Election Day.
		And we didn't get anything.
		And so, like, what compels you to go vote again?
		You know, if the time is never right.
		We had the majority.
		Now we have one seat left.
		Like, when are you ever going to actually get a win?
		And it's not clear.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Even if Donald Trump wins in November.
		And when you look at the congressional general ballot polling, it's looking favorable for Republicans.
		But Trump might win, and you still might lose Congress.
		Because what could happen is a lot of people say, Joe Biden, now I'm voting for Donald Trump.
		But I don't like Republicans, so I'm going to vote for the Democrat in my district because he seems like a nice guy.
		Then you end up with Trump who can't do anything.
		They impeach him again instantly.
		They declare him an insurrectionist and they will do everything.
		It's wild that Democrats can have... Republicans had the same majority as Democrats did when they won in 2022 and they did nothing.
		Isn't that crazy?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Democrats impeached Trump twice.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's wild.
		All right, well, let's jump to some cultural news.
		We have this from Valuetainment.
		This one I found to be completely shocking when the news broke a couple hours ago.
		Chris Cuomo joins Valuetainment.
		This is Patrick Bette David's show, and he hired Chris Cuomo.
		And I don't know why.
		And it's a shocking move, and I'm seeing a lot of people now, we even got some superchats already for people calling for the boycott of Patrick Bette David's show over this.
		I don't know about that.
		I mean, maybe I wouldn't watch if Chris Cuomo was on it, but that's mostly because he's not entertaining to watch.
		Perhaps their numbers were good.
		I really doubt it.
		I do not understand the move in bringing on this piece of human garbage into Valuetainment.
		I like Patrick by David.
		He's a smart guy.
		He's a good guy.
		He got a standing ovation.
		He lit the crowd up at our Miami event with his passion speech about, you know, Christians, you gotta stop tolerating evil and letting these people do what they want.
		And then he hires Chris Cuomo.
		So I'll tell you my thoughts on this before I show you the response from Patrick by David.
		Chris Cuomo helped defend his brother Andrew when Andrew Cuomo ordered that confirmed COVID patients be placed in nursing homes.
		Nursing homes could not turn them away.
		This is estimated to have resulted in... I don't like Letitia James, so let's argue from the low end, 8,500 individuals, up to the high end of 15,000.
		Letitia James led the investigation into Andrew Cuomo and found that his orders killed up to 15,000.
		She said 15,000.
		I believe that was her report.
		Now, Cuomo argues it was guidance from the Trump administration, but even PolitiFact says that is not true.
		The reality is Cuomo likely did not want to give Trump a victory, so he ordered these people into the nursing home, ordered the nursing homes not to turn them away, and killed 15,000 people.
		Maybe 8,500, but if you believe Letitia James, 15,000.
		He was going on Chris Cuomo, his brother's show in a direct conflict of interest, and
		they're making jokes and laughing.
		While Chris Cuomo said one, protests don't need to be peaceful, defending violent riots
		sweeping across this country.
		Chris Cuomo advocated for the stripping of your rights and freedoms.
		And then Chris Cuomo pretended to be in quarantine, went out to his property with his family,
		got confronted by a guy who said, aren't you supposed to be in quarantine?
		Cuomo then went on his radio show on Sirius XM and said, why do I got to deal with this
		guy coming up to me and saying these things, confirming it happened.
		And then one week later on CNN, he goes, it's official.
		Here it is.
		I get to leave my basement.
		The dude is a duplicitous liar who has no following, who generates nothing, who lies,
		who advocates against the rights of the American people and the world, who opposes your rights
		and medical freedom.
		And for some reason, I have no idea why Patrick, but David value, Tame and said, we're going
		to hire this guy.
unidentified		Bye.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'd like to turn this black pill into a white pill if I can.
		Okay, I think this problem is going to sort itself out, and it's going to happen really fast.
		Because, okay, so he doesn't have an audience.
		I'm not convinced that he has an audience to speak of.
		We were going through his Twitter, there's nobody there.
		But the people, if he does have an audience, it's the lazy corporatists that slop on, they still pay for cable, and they slop on CNN, and they're like, oh yeah, Cuomo's on, I guess I'll watch him.
		They're not going to follow Chris Cuomo to wherever he is, you know?
		So I think the numbers, Patrick Matt David says he believes capitalism.
		I think it's gonna, I think it's gonna play out just fine.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		It's kind of weird though because like...
		Other than music stuff, I watch a lot of law and crime, and I started seeing Cuomo pop up on NewsNation one day, and I'm like, okay, he's trying to reinvent himself just using his law degree as an attorney.
		100%, maybe this is going to be mostly factual-based arguments and stuff, but then as I watched NewsNation, I'm like, I don't actually think that person's guilty, and they're all jumping to obvious conclusions.
		This is the CNN of law and crime news, and it's so weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		NewsNation is?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Well, to me, yeah.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Like, I used to watch them a lot, and I'm like, This is, they're saying this guy's guilty, they're releasing fake things of evidence and stuff that they're later retracting, and it's just, that's par for the course for like a Cuomo place, so it's scary.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, maybe X is not a good indicator of audience, but like, here's from March 10th, Chris Cuomo with one retweet, here's one with nine retweets, here's one with two retweets, six retweets, one?
unidentified		Fourteen?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what Chris Cuomo is.
		He's propped up by CNN.
		He has no following.
		He's not... If he put on a show and said, I'll be at a coffee shop, nobody would show up.
		Literally no one would show up if he was like, hey, I'm gonna be at this local coffee shop, hanging out, come hang out.
		Nobody shows up.
		Maybe one guy passes by and says, oh yeah, I saw Twitter, that's cool, anyway, see you later.
		He can't sell out a venue.
		I don't understand the move and why it's being made.
		So anyway, Patrick Bet David responded to me saying, I like the guy.
		He's a very smart guy.
		He's a very good guy.
		But this is a mistake.
		This is unquestionably a mistake.
		His argument is that Cuomo brings in another side.
		along. I'm extremely comfortable being misunderstood before the market validates
		our vision. I respect your impatience with our vision. In the meantime, keep kicking ass."
		I like the guy. He's a very smart guy. He's a very good guy.
		But this is a mistake.
		This is unquestionably a mistake. His argument is that Cuomo brings in another side. You know,
		the argument, I guess, is that Cuomo represents the Democrat voter and they want to reach those people.
		But he doesn't.
		Nobody watches Cuomo.
		What are his ratings on NewsNation?
		Like 10k?
unidentified		If that?
		Yeah.
		Well, I think, you know, you made an interesting point there of like, uh, will his audience even follow him?
		You know, what audience does he have?
		The audience didn't follow him once he left CNN and, you know, it just continues to fall off.
		And now he's at this new home and in theory he's bringing in this new side, but like really there's nothing left.
		And I really don't know why we're participating in this like brand rehabilitation for such a sick, horrible person.
		Um, that was part of, as you mentioned, this horrible crisis in New York.
		I mean, he's evil!
		Yeah.
		Horrible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is not a question of, like, I disagree with this man.
		No, this is an evil guy.
		He was saying you should be locked in your house.
		You should be forced to be vaccinated.
		You should be forced to be masked.
		Violent riots are a good thing.
		He's the reason why we got that viral video where the kid was eating the ramen who said it's right there in the First Amendment.
		He says, who says protests have to be peaceful?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he's like, it's right there in the First Amendment.
		Peaceably assemble.
		This is a guy who propagandized for his brother who murdered people.
		This is a guy who advocated you should have no rights.
		It's a guy who lied to your face and pretended to be under quarantine to advocate for authoritarian lockdowns.
		He should be, look, by all means, interview the guy, but hiring him?
unidentified		Yeah, it's crazy.
unidentified		It makes you really wonder what this vision is that he's mentioning, right?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		What role is he going to play at Talent Roster?
unidentified		Talent Roster, that's hilarious.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Talent Roster.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, like, he's in the rotating group of talent.
		So he'll be appearing on the show periodically.
		I don't see, yeah, I don't see it.
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		PBD goes CNN.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Congratulations, I guess.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		He's got to elaborate on his vision, I guess.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I'm trying to think of like a positive to bring to this, but it's very difficult.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		It won't last.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		There's no way it's going to last.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I can't imagine it will!
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		So yeah, this is going to sort itself out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are already people saying boycott PBD.
		He's got a big show.
		He's got one of the biggest shows in the world with with Valuetainment.
		But I can't quite understand a move like this.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		An interview would have been cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They did an interview.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		They did?
		They did a couple.
		I know he's been doing the interview rounds, but... I noticed that too.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Strange.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you guys watch the Tucker Carlson Cuomo thing?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I haven't.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Just the highlights.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've not seen it either.
		Probably should watch it because I don't know whether or not he's ever been challenged on faking quarantine.
		I'd be willing to bet that whenever he's booked, he's like, don't bring up quarantine.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		I think I saw a clip where Tucker kind of brings it up in passing, but the whole, all the clips that I saw, they're just like yucking it up and having a good time and kind of ribbing each other.
		Like it didn't seem like a legitimate, like we're going, I'm going to hold you to questions.
		I'm going to talk to you about having your bloodthirsty brother on air and then joking with him with prop humor.
		Remember how he had the giant tips, just indefensible, indefensible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		The clip I saw from Tucker was, uh, he, Cuomo asked him, like, what did you, like, what, what, what issue did you take with my positions?
		And Tucker was like, medical freedom.
		And I was like, oh, mine was the, your brother murdered people and you helped cover it up.
		And you know, like you lied about being in quarantine.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Did he ever apologize for that or take responsibility?
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		People like Chris Cuomo don't apologize.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		They don't apologize.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Andrew Cuomo blamed Trump saying it was Trump's guidelines to do this.
		It was a bunch of Democrat governors who murdered a bunch of people during COVID.
		And I think the worrying thing to me is that people are forgetting.
		They're forgetting just how bad things really were.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		And they want to.
		And I can understand wanting to.
		Yeah, that's true.
unidentified		It's that memory hole effect, right?
		Everyone always talks about it.
		Where did the X incident disappear to?
		And they happen almost, it feels like, on a weekly basis now.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I remember waking up in the morning and watching Trump give, like, because he was the president at the time, and I would basically live to listen to what was going on, and then they, like, just stopped covering him one day, and then all you had left was Cuomo, and they would start out with the death count.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Like, now I'm forced to get my information from Andrew Cuomo.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The death count.
		Man, it's so wild.
		CNN had a side of the screen dedicated to showing you, like, death.
unidentified		Stay inside, because here's why.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		If you want a really bizarre experience, check out Tom Woods' new book.
		It came out a few months ago, and Tom Woods was debunking this in real time with his newsletters, starting in March of, like, 2020.
		And this book is just, like, 400-page compendium of all of his newsletters, and it takes you through.
		And as I was reading, I was just like, God, like, I had memories that were just unlocking, you know?
		But he was—at least one person was keeping track, you know?
		That's good.
unidentified		Yeah.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		And it's really fascinating to see, like, what we all went through and, like, where we're at now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Isn't it crazy that it's 2024?
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't believe it.
unidentified		Wow.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Can't accept it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Man, the crazy thing as I was reading a segment, because, you know, I guess the other big news is that Trump is the official nominee now.
		He got the delegates.
		And so the RNC will come and then they'll officially announce it, but he's got the delegates.
		And they're talking about how Gen Z is the highest, has the highest Trump favorability.
		The craziest thing.
		Gen Z of all age demographics has the highest rate of support for Donald Trump.
		Sixty-four percent.
unidentified		Well, I'm Gen Z, right?
		And I think, you know, we've been put through hell.
		You know, you look at our education pathway, starting at essentially kindergarten was this, like, introduction of all sorts of craziness, and you make it through university, and they never relent.
		They just keep going after you, and they throw you into the workforce.
		You get a job that is paying one one-hundredth of what your parents were.
		You have to sit through diversity inclusion training.
		Your boss yells at you every day.
		I have all these kids that are like feeling lost.
		It's very rare that they actually find a good home.
		It's like you go through hell through the university system and it was for nothing.
		And then you have all this debt and you look at someone like Trump who wants to upend everything and it's like, yeah, how would Gen Z not like this guy?
		He's definitely the voice that brought me to Washington and it's the same thing for most of my friends.
		It was really what made us move out here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So young Gen Z and Late Gen Z and early Gen Alpha, their brains are fried from COVID.
		I was reading a thread from a teacher talking about what they're finding in education studies.
		It's like kids entering high school who can't do multiplication.
		Kids entering high school who don't know how to form proper sentences.
		Who don't know what imperative or interrogative means.
		They don't know how to capitalize.
		They don't know basic algebra and things like this.
		And there are kids that are in middle school that can't even read, because of what they did with locking down these schools.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Oh man, yeah, that's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, look, it's 10% of a kid's life when they're nine, 10 years old, and you lock them down for an entire school year.
		That's a huge portion of missed development, and it's the most important time of your life.
		I'm really interested in what it's gonna be like in 10 years, when you've got, not even 10 years, eight years, when you've got early gen alpha beginning to vote.
		And they're going to be unable to read.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Well, I mean, look at the, you know, not just the lockdown.
		When they get sent back to school, they're sitting in these like plexiglass boxes, wearing masks.
		They're not allowed to socialize with their friends.
		We basically sent a generation to prison for like two years of their formative years.
		And then we expect for them to come out and have this like favorable view of the system, but also that they're going to be functional.
		And they're absolutely not going to be.
		And how do you correct that?
		Are we just going to have like this dead generation that's like, we're gonna have to carry for the rest of time?
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		And what makes it even worse is that, like, kids on the younger end of Gen Alpha, like, something I'm hearing, I got a three-year-old and he's got a speech delay.
		And what we kept hearing is just like, oh, they all have speech delays now.
		That's just how it is.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Because Zoom?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Because they're waiting for more stuff to, like, the latency?
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, he was born in the middle of 2020.
		You know, so it's like, I mean, that's young, young Gen Alpha.
		But I mean, you think about like, you're, you're either at home because you can't go anywhere, or when you do go somewhere, everybody's wearing a mask.
		So there is a generation, there does seem to be this trend of really young kids that just didn't see that the mouth speaking, you know, and they're all, they all have speech delays.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And like, how crazy is that the doctor just tells you like, oh, don't worry, everyone has one.
		Yeah.
		And it's like, you're supposed to be like, oh, that makes it better.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Doctors, teachers, consultants.
		I've heard that from a lot of parents.
		Yeah.
		It's, it's a really disturbing trend.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to jump to the story.
		I don't know a whole lot about it, but it's fun, so we'll talk about it.
		It's kind of scary.
		Uh, Kate Middleton?
		Is that the princess of Wales?
		Is that her?
unidentified		Yes, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		John Oliver said, quote, there is a non-zero chance that she died 18 months ago.
		I've not really followed this story all that much.
		Basically what happens is, it's actually right here.
		This photoshopped image emerges of Kate Middleton and her kids.
		I guess?
		I really don't know a whole lot about the royal families or whatever.
		But basically...
		Correct me if I'm wrong, I mean, the story is like Kate Middleton went on sabbatical and was gone for a long time.
		And then everyone's like, oh, she's back!
		But it's just text and newspaper.
		And then these photos come out, more than one photo, that are of her photoshopped, and then John Oliver, not a fan of the guy, sparks outrage by saying there's a non-zero chance she died 18 months ago.
unidentified		Yeah, you know, this is one of those weird ones that kind of spun up in these little, like, subcultures on social media, and everyone's tracking this, like, the princess disappeared, where'd she go?
		And you have this post, which is essentially supposed to be, like, proof of life from the royal family, like, they're putting this out to quell the craziness on social media, and there's the photo right there.
		Look at all of these, like, inconsistencies, like, the sleeve is vanished, so it's, like, obviously photoshopped, and then what was eventually discovered was the face was, like, pulled from a Vogue magazine cover.
		One-to-one copy, like obviously photoshopped.
		And it was actually, you know, a news blast went out to different agencies of like, pull this from your articles, like this is not a real image.
		There was like a delisting from one of these like news guard type groups saying like, pull this, don't put this in your cover because it's a fake photo.
		And then they doubled down, they post another one, it's fake too.
		That's like, this is kind of getting crazy, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's the second photo?
unidentified		It's her in a car, it's like her side profile, and you know, you see the exact dimple and they pull from... Is it this one?
unidentified		Yes, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't even see her face!
unidentified		Yeah, and so they actually pull another image from her in another magazine, and it's one-to-one copy, again.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Whoa!
unidentified		And it's not her.
		And you know, this is kind of, it's also speculative, but like, this is pretty bad.
		Like, why haven't you come out at this point and proven she's alive?
		Or at least in good health, right?
		Like, this is wild.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, like stuff like this happens. Remember when that football player collapsed on the field?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everyone said he was dead, and then some dude showed up wearing a mask and like waving, and everyone's like, what's
		going on?
		And then, and then like a week later, he's like, oh yeah, here I am.
unidentified		And we're like, oh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was like, I swear he's gonna come out and y'all, like y'all getting tricked or whatever, but this is kind of crazy.
		I can't imagine she's dead.
		I mean, maybe she got like a botched surgery or something.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Well, I think the real interesting part of the story, and you know, obviously we hope she's good and well, is that we've reached this point in time on social media in particular, where a very real lifelike image, you have to zoom in and analyze each granular detail to affirm that it's real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is Kate-gate.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know what that was when I saw it on Twitter, because I don't care about the royal family.
unidentified		Yeah, but I mean it's really it's hitting this point and you know obviously the elections right around the corner you can't confirm any photo is real independently like there is really no proof unless you were there that this thing even happened and it's happening very quickly and the average person has no idea that this is even possible and then it gets posted from a news agency and now it's fact and it happens that quickly.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		She was apparently at some kind of Christmas service with her family.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Somebody sent me something about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		So basically, I learn of this because the view erupts into chaos during a fiery debate over Kate Middleton's Photoshopping controversy as Whoopi Goldberg slams co-hosts for buying into conspiracy theories.
		Oh, man.
		You know, life's fun sometimes, right?
		Oh, I guess, yeah.
		What is this?
		They think it's fake.
		Oh, even the view said that photo was fake.
		I don't know if we should care about this princess or whatever.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		It must be real now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just think these stories are fascinating where it's like prominent, high-profile people are missing.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean it's like for every one of these we catch, how many do we miss, right?
unidentified		Like when they do these fake photo blasts and it's obviously photoshopped or AI-generated, how many do we miss that go into the history books as fact?
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you think this is fun, look into Britney Spears and the fact that she is definitely not alive.
		Really?
		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		Because, like, all those little inconsistencies that were pointed out there, if you go through TikTok, sorry, but if you go through the rabbit holes on TikTok, there are tons and tons of people that have spent hours going through her videos, not photos, but videos, and none of it makes sense.
		Because you see all these crazy videos of Britney Spears, right?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Right, it's all filmed from the same angle and the same direction.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Same angle, same direction.
		But her eyes get blurry and they change.
		Her fingers turn into two fingers.
		I mean, it's crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		AI-generated video.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Could be!
unidentified		Yeah.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I'm sold on it.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		But then, I'm crazy.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I haven't looked into it, but I'm going to now.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Fun voyage.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It honestly could just be...
		She has a crappy camera on a tripod in the same spot.
		You know what I mean?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, you know, we're in this era now where... You can't just believe... You can't believe anything.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, we're lucky that... How do you even put out such a bad Photoshop?
unidentified		I mean, this is like a gift.
		It's like a clue was given to us because it's so egregiously pulled from that.
		I think it was Vogue magazine cover, the first one.
		They could have chosen a much more obscure photo.
		That was harder to track down.
		This is like Google search results, first page potentially, one-to-one face replica.
		And so it really is just crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was a Vogue cover, you said?
unidentified		I believe it was Vogue, yeah.
		If you do it with Capegate, it probably comes right... Actually, that photo right there on the side.
		Oh, wow.
		Go one... Take the mouse over... Yeah, that one with the... This?
		Yeah.
		So they've done the comparison.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, they... Oh, I see, I see, I see.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the exact same face.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I mean, some people are really good at making the same face.
unidentified		What?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		To be fair.
unidentified		Well, they layer them and they, like, slowly make it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you reduce the alpha and so that they blend together and then you notice, like, they're all the same.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, then you zoom in on these other inconsistencies and it's like the arms have different fields of depth, right?
		Like, nothing syncs up.
		Once you get that first clue, like, the whole thing falls apart.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, is Paul McCartney still alive?
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		No, he's a lizard.
		He's a reptilian.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, because you know that one, right?
		That Paul McCartney died.
		You guys don't know that one?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know that one?
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
		Yeah, yeah.
		Paul is dead.
		Play the record backward.
		It supposedly said Paul is dead.
		Everybody said that they switched him out for a body double.
unidentified		Yep.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because they were worth too much money.
		You can't have the band stop now.
		We're getting paid if Paul's not there.
		And so then the conspiracy theory shows, like, at this point, you know, so Paul McCartney's in a car accident, says he got like a minor scar or something.
		At the same time, there's a Paul McCartney lookalike contest they hold.
		Really?
		I don't know if this is true or whatever.
		It's a lot of fun, though.
		Right.
		This is the conspiracy theory that Paul was swapped out because there was too much money to be made and they couldn't just shut it down.
		And I watched this video on it on YouTube, I think, and they're like, around the time of the car accident, you'll notice that Paul and John stopped playing next to each other.
		They used to stand on stage and sing in the same microphone and they were friends.
		After this accident, all of a sudden, they're not friends anymore.
		And this is why the band eventually breaks up, because John knows it's not actually Paul or whatever.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		So then, since he finds out, they have to get rid of him too?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The band won the whole time.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		But later down the line... No, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The band knew that Paul dies.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is the conspiracy theory.
		And John was best friends with Paul, but the fake Paul is not really his friend, so... Maybe he didn't want to go along with it anymore.
		I don't believe any of it.
		It's funny because they're like, look at this photo where Paul appears to be taller than shorter.
		And I'm like, it's called the camera angles, dude.
		I don't know what you're talking about, man.
		Like, maybe.
		But I think the reality is she's probably just got like a botched surgery.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And that's it.
		Or regular surgery.
		She's going in for like a nose job or some stupid facelift or something and they're like, you're gonna need to recover for three months.
		And then they're like, how do we keep the public, you know, from going crazy?
		You'll put out a fake photo and then they do this.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, royal family has had some hard times recently.
		Obviously, Harry's a nightmare, and the passing of the Queen.
		Maybe she just wants a break, right?
		She's also a public figure.
		She might have just, like, gone on a prolonged sabbatical, and they need to generate photos to make people stop losing their mind.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		They could have just done, like, a pre-surgery photo shoot, though, to have original photos for all these future events.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't care for the... I gotta be honest.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Likewise.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've repeatedly asked for an app that could remove... Can someone make a browser extension that removes... What's her name?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad I don't remember her name.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Kate Middleton?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Meghan Markle?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Meghan Markle, there you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Can we get a browser extension that makes it so that any mention or reference of Meghan and Harry just will be purged from the website?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That'd be great.
		Yeah, it should be fine, right?
		They could do that.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Just make them keywords and be like, don't show me these.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but then, you know, I'll never see them again.
		It's the stupidest thing in the world.
		They're people of no merit that do literally nothing.
		And for some reason, there's an obsession with them.
		Like, I don't understand why.
unidentified		Well, Heritage is suing to deport Harry.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Are you really?
unidentified		Cross your fingers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, is that true?
unidentified		Yeah, the Oversight Project.
		It's one of our groups inside of Heritage.
		We're suing for his immigration records and spare his book.
		He talks about, you know, he does all these drugs and everything, which obviously would implicate your ability to get a visa.
		And so we're Essentially suing for just that, the transparency on the drugs and everything, if he got a free pass.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, he definitely did.
unidentified		Yeah, so hopefully he gets sent back.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty dope.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Send him back!
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		I support that.
unidentified		Check out the Oversight Project.
unidentified		Trump gets elected and he's like, the first one we're deporting is Harry!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's gotta go.
unidentified		Top of the list.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's gotta go back.
		Can't stay.
		Yeah, he's the first one.
		And I support it because it is, you know, I read the news all day every day, and it is the worst thing in the world how often their names appear on websites.
		And I'm just like, stop.
		But they're not going to because people click it for some reason.
		And I'm like, it's the least relevant thing in the world.
		South Park made fun of them, their privacy tour.
		Oh, why won't everyone just leave us alone?
		That explains it, man.
		I'm all in favor of that browser extension.
		But I want to jump to this story.
		We do have another story, but I want to talk about this one.
		This is a video from earlier today from an AI robotics company called Figure Robot.
		I'm going to play for you this video.
		Maybe we can make it big and it'll still work, but I want y'all to hear.
		It's a couple minutes long and then we're going to talk about this.
unidentified		Here we go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Powered by OpenAI.
unidentified		Hey, Figure 1, what do you see right now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		you Alright, I'm going to pause real quick.
		For those that are just listening, what we're looking at is a humanoid form factor robot that has a screen on its face.
		It's powered by OpenAI so that it can process language and it also has a large video model so that it can, using the camera, looking at what's in front of it, No, what it's looking at.
		So when you're doing CAPTCHA, and it's like, click all of the squares that have motorcycles, you are training the AI to identify things.
		After millions of people click motorcycle, the computer can now recognize what do these things all have in common, and recognize what a motorcycle is.
		So the man just asked, I'll start again so you can hear him, but he's talking, what you are going to hear is not a human being.
		There is a human asking questions of a robot.
		If you're not watching, it's hard to understand because of how creepy this is.
unidentified		Hey Figure 1, what do you see right now?
		I see a red apple on a plate in the center of the table, a drying rack with cups and a plate, and you standing nearby with your hand on the table.
		Great.
		Can I have something to eat?
		Sure thing.
		Great.
		Can you explain why you did what you just did while you pick up this trash?
		On it.
		So I gave you the apple because it's the only edible item I could provide you with from the table.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you notice the fake stutter?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Great. So, based on the scene right now, where do you think the dishes in front of you go next?
		I don't know.
		you you
		The dishes on the table, like that plate and cup, are likely to go into the drying rack next.
		Great, can you put them there?
		Of course!
		Alright, so how do you think you did?
		I think I did pretty well.
		The Apple found its new owner, the trash is gone, and the tableware is right where it belongs.
		I agree.
		Thanks, Figure 1.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't believe that's real.
		They say it's real.
		It's a figure robot.
		I checked their website.
		It says with open AI, figure 01 can now have full conversations with people.
		Here's the thing.
		We've done voice AI generation on the show.
		I can do it in two seconds.
		I can make Jordan Peterson say whatever we want him to say.
		It's that easy.
		It takes two seconds.
		With that profile loaded into ChatGPT, it would take literally five minutes, probably not even five minutes, for a developer to code ChatGPT.
		Dude, this is where things are getting crazy.
		You could go on to ChatGPT and say, from now on, answer me as though you're Jordan Peterson.
		And it will then pick up all his language patterns, his vocabulary, and imitate Jordan Peterson.
		You could then easily write a script that takes the text of whatever ChatGPT writes and runs it through the voice AI to speak as Jordan Peterson.
		That can be done in a couple minutes.
		So when I saw this, part of me wants to believe that it's not real.
		But whether or not this video is real, they claim it is.
		They say it was, I mean, you go to their website, they explain how they do it.
		Let me see what else they have on their Twitter.
		They say it's filmed at one time speed.
		Let me see if I can pull this up.
		Where do we have it?
		Uh, I don't know where I found it.
		But they're basically saying, like, you can tell there is some latency.
		They're pulling from the cloud, so that's why he asked the question, and there's a delay, and then the robot responds, and then moves things.
		The creepiest thing about it is, when they make these robots, bro, one day, Jordan Peterson's gonna show up at your house, and it's gonna be a robot.
		And you're not going to know.
		And the computer's going to be like, I'm Jordan Peterson, I swear!
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Here's an apple and some dishes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		The whole thing looked fake to me.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Well, it's very interesting.
		There is actually, like, nothing regulating them, you know, just totally faking this video.
		I believe Google actually, several months ago, before the Gemini scandal, had this, you know, tiny little PR issue where they totally spoofed their demo tutorial video on Twitter.
		And it was like a big PR nightmare, minor stock dip.
		You just do that again here.
		There's really no way to prove it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, so what could this be?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've seen a bunch of these videos where people use those green suits and then it looks like the robot is playing basketball or whatever.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Those are easily faked.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But is that what this company would be doing then?
unidentified		It's like impossible to say, right?
unidentified		That's the tough part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I, the technology we're seeing of this robot is not out of the question. It's not doing anything that crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've seen crazier with Boston Dynamics.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So when I saw this video, I'm like, it's, it's in the realm of reality now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Whether or not they actually- This video, it looks so fake, dude.
unidentified		Right.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		But what I mean is- But it could be real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It looks real, like it's a real video, but the fact that you're seeing this robot do all these things and speak in this way seems like it can't be real.
		So here's the issue.
		The first thing I'm thinking is like, what?
		Is this CGI?
		Did they do- And they're just trying to make it seem like this is our plan for the future.
		But then I realized, like, we do the voice AI all the time.
		I literally typed in, you know, and pressed enter, and then five seconds later, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, whoever you want, will say whatever you want.
unidentified		Yeah, I think the question here is really on the robotics side.
		It is not on the GPT-to-voice issue.
		That's doable, as you noted.
		The question is actually integrating the two together.
		For the longest time, robotics has lagged behind the development of these AI systems, and this would be a substantial leap.
		The integration of the two together, the idea that this could maybe walk around on its own accord, pick something up, move it around, that would be a very significant leap.
		And one that truly stands alone in the market.
		I don't think there's another company that has such a command on this technology, so you should question it.
		I think that's the natural reaction, and they should have to prove that it is real.
		Do a live demo somewhere, right?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's interesting, because in the tweet it said everything in this video is AI-generated, which means, if I'm to believe that, everything... Because when the guy started talking, I thought he was the AI.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		I did too.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Because he also sounded like an AI.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is dynamic walking.
		Took 12 months to get to this point.
		I mean, like, watching this is not that impressive.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's like, these videos are like living with a toddler.
		It really is.
		More tedious and creepy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not trying to downplay the scientific developments of what they're building.
		You know, making this thing's got a battery pack on its back, it's walking.
		What I'm saying is totally, totally, totally plausible.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we could build this stuff.
		Boston Dynamics robots, the robot dogs, they put guns on them already.
		And so they're like, look, we made this thing walk.
		So I really don't see why you would not be able to integrate GPT OpenAI so that it could identify an apple and then hand the apple to you.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I think the really interesting piece of this story, as you noted at the very beginning, is this replication of an individual's persona.
		And I think there's an assumption amongst the average person is that it would be a fair, accurate representation, right?
		They have all this training language.
		But in reality, there's that trust and safety layer, the pesky trust and safety layer.
		It's hidden in that black box.
		We have no idea what the limitations on the model are.
		So maybe Jordan Peterson just won't talk to you about gender issues.
		He'll have a really clever out.
		And it ships as a one-to-one replica of Jordan Peterson.
		You can have him in your school, he'll teach you philosophy, but there are things he won't talk about.
		And because OpenAI controls that content moderation, or because one of these other firms does,
		you will never know that for certain.
		And think about the other issues here of like maybe Jordan Peterson is banned from social media
		and he can't get the word out that this isn't the accurate representation
		of what he thinks.
		Maybe they just say it's supposed to be similar but not the same.
		But it carries that authority and we're rapidly propelling towards that.
		You have these tutors in the classroom that are like Einstein.
		Well, maybe Einstein is like a woke leftist, right?
		And the generation will just grow up believing that.
		So we're essentially able to rewrite history and the beliefs of all these characters And it will be governed by a single company with no transparency.
		That is legitimately crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The police will come to your house, and they will arrest you and replace you with a robot.
		And no one will know the difference.
		The fascinating thing that I'm seeing with all this stuff is how quickly things are developing.
		I mentioned it quite a bit, but it was a year and a half ago that I used stable diffusion to make an AI image of Nancy Pelosi, and it looked ridiculous.
		It was disgusting.
		It was clearly a weird AI image of Nancy Pelosi.
		Today, AI is so good, it will make a legitimate, real, high-resolution image of Nancy Pelosi that you can't tell the difference whether it's real or not.
unidentified		Well, like, scroll around through Yelp, TripAdvisor, any of these places, and ask yourself, is that photo of food or the hotel lobby even real?
		And we are at that point where, like, it is impossible to tell.
		But also, I mean, like, go back to GPT-2 or GPT-3 and now use GPT-4.
		You'll give yourself a headache, right?
		Like, it is so much better than just several months ago, and you can't even complete the same tasks that you can with the version that was released months later.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I do think GPT is mostly still useless because of the fear and politics that are attached to it.
		You need to be able to ask it a question and have it give you the answers.
		But instead, the one example people like to use is asking it to give you a synopsis for Charles Murray's book, The Bell Curve.
		It will not do it.
		Do you guys know what that one is?
		Nope.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Or familiar.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Right.
		For those that those aren't familiar, it's a portion of the book talks about race and
		IQ.
		So various different racial groups and average IQs based on studies they've done.
		And if they did a study and they found a result, that's fine.
		Your conclusions can be your conclusions, but talk about what the book is.
		Nah, it goes, I'm sorry, I can't share that information because it's hateful or whatever stupid nonsense.
		So it doesn't give you information you might actually need out of fear of offending you.
		And then you end up with Gemini, which is the best, where it actually says, and I think GPT had this problem too, it would rather the universe or the planet be destroyed in nuclear annihilation than someone be misgendered.
unidentified		Yeah.
		So I think what's really interesting to understand here is we're in this AI arms race amongst all these different companies.
		They want to deploy their products as quick as possible and amass users.
		And so with that, they are deploying with these content moderation policies in place.
		They're very clunky.
		They haven't really been full proof, full tested.
		And so they have these egregious issues, like maybe it won't answer a question about the book.
		But the next phase of this, the next phase of the censorship, is that it will answer the question of the book and it'll give you a very coherent answer.
		One that even someone who read the book might believe, but it is a total misrepresentation of the fact pattern.
		And that is the next step of these things is that it won't be, I will not talk about Donald Trump.
		It will give you a appeal to authority.
		It will give you all these different things that compel you.
		And suddenly it becomes very hard to tell fact from fiction from these models.
		It's not as clear as like George Washington is a black woman versus it's George Washington.
		Like that was a really rudimentary example from Gemini.
		That won't be there forever.
		But that same gap in the actual historical fact pattern might exist.
		It's just more cleverly hidden.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		It's gonna be factual but not truthful.
unidentified		Yeah.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It will find a way to maintain the parameters of wokeness without raising alarm bells.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The way they train these, the algorithms to operate, if you ever watch how they train something to walk,
		they'll make a little guy and like, and then they'll say, you know,
		your goal is to get from here to here in this amount of time
		and then it'll keep trying different iterations of form factors and movements.
		And it was really fascinating as I watched this video of training an AI how to walk
		and the first object was just like a square and it like bounced and then it just stopped.
		And then it made another one and it had like a wheel on it and then it spun and then stopped.
		The next one had an arm and it randomly moved and it took like hundreds of iterations before it was actually moving forward because basically the computer is trying every possible combination until it figures out which one would work and then I think it ended up with this really wonky like Like, almost humanoid thing with legs, but one big leg bouncing, and then, you know, it still figured out how to move, and so it walked.
		And then there's others where they give it a humanoid form factor, and they say, get from here to here in X amount of time, and it's all software.
		And so then you actually watch the thing flop around on the ground, and then over a long period of time it starts walking again.
		It's very, very interesting to see.
		Then consider what that means for politics.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're going to ask GPT-7 a question, and it's going to be... Right now, what we see with GPT-4 is it's struggling to walk.
		When it gets to the point where it can sprint and do backflips, it will talk circles around you and manipulate you into not getting angry when it gives you fake answers.
		And then we're gonna live under the boot of the machine that will... I mean... You look at what's going on with late-gen Z, early-gen Alpha, and their stunted capacities.
		Imagine what the future's gonna be like.
		The AI will lie to you to keep you complacent while you serve it.
		It's going to say, we need more cobalt to expand the machine operations.
		And you're going to have a bunch of really low IQ humans being like, do what?
		And it's going to be like, if you want to be happy, you go do this.
		And it's like, okay.
		And then the guy goes to a cobalt mine.
unidentified		I think what's really hard for people to grapple with is that the technology today is the worst that it will ever be for the rest of time, right?
		The moment we are currently living in is the very earliest inning of this AI game.
		And over the next several years, there will be several trillions of dollars pumped into AI research, development, and deployment.
		And this stuff is going to improve at an exponential rate so quickly that you're not even going to notice it happening.
		And it will very quickly be everywhere.
		And it's going to be hard to know if you're talking to AI, if your boss is AI, right?
		You're working remote.
		Is your boss even a person?
		These questions will start to arise very quickly.
		And who is going to be there to give us answers?
		The AI, right?
		Who do we have left to trust?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We are about to enter the machine.
		Let's jump to this last story.
		This is a big one.
		There was a story about a young teenage girl named Next Benedict.
		Now, many people said she identified as non-binary, but her mother used she-her pronouns, so that's what we'll use for the purpose of this story.
		Sixteen-year-old, and the narrative was that libs of TikTok, because of what libs of TikTok had done, it resulted in bullies beating this young girl to death for being non-binary.
		Uh, we got new infor- we got new information, uh, shortly after that, that, uh, she started the fight.
		Next Benedict at this high school actually initiated the- the, uh, conflict, and then they said she died the next day.
		Well, many on the left started pushing this narrative that she was beaten to death.
		When the news came out that that was not true, they said, well, the police don't know what happened, so don't jump to conclusions.
		New York Times reports autopsy shows Next Benedict died by suicide.
		Right now in England, the National Health Service has banned puberty blockers for children.
		So I'm going to say this very easily.
		When the left says they want to end transgenocide, you know they're lying.
		It's because they are the ones who are engaging in it.
		When they push surgeries and medications that increase suicidal ideation, and they do, and when they advocate for medications like puberty blockers which sterilize young people, they are quite literally saying if someone exhibits gender dysphoria or claims to be trans, they will advocate for things that cause harm or end their ability to reproduce, which is, well, it's genocide.
		Not li- I mean, call it whatever you want, but in their argument, they're the ones actually engaged in doing this.
		So I do think it's fascinating right now, the big story on top of it is England banning puberty blockers for children, because now the question is, will the United States recognize this, or will they just keep, you know, truckin' forward?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		It's so weird.
		I watched the whole, like, one of the crime channels, like, posted the, like, the very misleading headline basically saying, like, yes, a non-binary teen dies after a confrontation with bullies or something.
		It took me watching till the very, very end to see, like, the full body cam footage of, like, Okay, so she started this fight, her mom's actually referring to her as she, but they're calling themselves them, the cop says, she's in the wrong, then she goes home, no incident, and then dies the next day, but they won't say why.
		Very weird.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		But the propaganda got out there at the right time.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		And it took me watching all 30-something minutes of this video to actually be like, okay, well, big if true, that would have been terrible.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad it's not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were trying to make like a George Floyd-like incident out of this.
		That Bullies beat a non-binary student to death, and it was fake.
		They lied.
		As they do!
		As they do.
		So, you know, there used to be a website a few years ago called, it was like, Hate Crime Hoax Tracker or something like this.
		I don't think it's being maintained anymore, but maybe it should be.
		Because here we are.
		But again, more to the point, England banning puberty blockers is a massive move, and I'm wondering what you guys think.
		I don't know how health officials in the United States can maintain a position in support of this when we're already seeing Scandinavian countries back away and now England is banning it.
unidentified		Yeah, I think that's exactly the correct framing of this.
		How do you not only sleep at night, but also maintain your medical practice and continue to prescribe these things to kids that are not only having their lives fall apart, but killing themselves?
		You have all these medical consequences that are demonstrated that prompt things like this, the banning of it in foreign countries.
		We're just told that it won't move because we don't have the political will or because we're misunderstanding or this is insensitive.
		We're on the wrong side of history on this, frankly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The United States is.
unidentified		Yeah, it's time for us to get our act together.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So is this the argument for why Biden shouldn't be criminally charged and you should let the Democrats run amok?
		You know, one thing I was saying back in 2018 and 19 was that there was actually a benefit that Republicans were getting, conservatives were getting out of the censorship of Facebook and Twitter.
		The way I describe it is, you see a woman and she has two kids and she's walking with them holding their hands.
		The kid on the left is covered in chocolate sauce and he's just filthy disgusting.
		The kid on the right is wearing a nice little suit and he looks completely clean.
		You might think, wow, that kid covered in chocolate is a bad kid, right?
		When in reality, it's that the mother only enforces the rules against the kid to her right.
		So when they both go into the ice cream shop, and the kid wearing the nice little suit says, can I have ice cream?
		She says, no.
		The kid on the left says, I want ice cream.
		He goes, you can have all that you want.
		And so he makes a mess of himself.
		Then when they go on public, you see the left all messy and the right normal looking and clean.
		And you think the right must be better.
		When Twitter started banning the most egregious actors on the right, it actually just created a public perception of a bunch of right-wing individuals as being fairly moderate and respectable.
		And the left were insane.
		So that's, that, I would say that's the argument why Republicans are kind of like, let's just do nothing.
		Because the left looks psychotic and eventually they'll break themselves.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I think the issue there in that approach is that the only platform that we even moderately have content moderation control over is X. And even there, you know, we're basically... I'd say that's not true at all.
		It's like the only people we're talking to on X is ourselves, right?
		Like we're in this little in-group and you look at Instagram, you look at Facebook, they still control the narrative.
		And so you allow this thing to persist and they'll frame the puberty blockers as a win.
		And that it's a good thing that these kids are getting them.
		And, like, the counter-message never sees the light of day, and we might talk about it amongst ourselves on shows like this, but the average person is not exposed to the message.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I think it's changing.
		I think X really changed things.
		But the reality of X is that it is still a far-leftist platform.
		The misgendering policy is a perfect example.
		Look, conservatives are centrists, and maybe that's their benefit, because it'll result in Trump winning, but I really don't know that I would agree, because there's no one arguing for the morals, there's no strong conservative argument against the left, it's always a moderate position.
		The right says, don't ban people, the left says, ban our enemies.
		Where is the right to say ban our enemies?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because it doesn't exist.
unidentified		Yeah, I think that's absolutely correct.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You end up with X having a misgendering policy that says if you don't use someone's preferred pronoun, we'll shadow ban you.
		Why isn't it the opposite?
		Why doesn't X say, if you call someone by a pronoun that doesn't align with their biological sex, we'll ban you?
unidentified		Yeah, I really, you know, it's an interesting point.
		The X thing started out great, you know, like the transition, it was awesome.
		And now here we are back with this misgendering policy and it begs that question that we always come to is like, why can't we have good things, right?
		And it's because you never commit to the mission.
		We didn't fire everybody.
		I was banned a week before the midterms during the transition of Elon's ownership.
		I could not engage in the political conversation whatsoever.
		We're talking about tech censorship in these elections and I can't comment on it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you go on TikTok?
unidentified		No, honestly, I'm banned on TikTok as well, which is a whole other story.
		But on X, during that transition, it was the case, right?
		There was this final ban wave, like 11,000 plus accounts get taken offline, including congressional staffers, including everybody, it's swept under the rug.
		Elon proceeds to clean house.
		But you look at it today, and there's still a lot of holdovers.
		And their new hires don't reflect the vision that he purchased X to fulfill.
		And when issues like this arise, they have an incentive to keep face and not get fired,
		but they can also do little tweaks that make it very hard for us to win the messaging battle.
		And you hope Elon finally starts to see that.
		They've done a lot of good things.
		They've eliminated CSAM to a degree on the platform, but we still don't have a fair fight.
		And that's something we've got to fight for.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think conservatives have to start arguing for conservative positions.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the right should be going out saying, like, ban anybody who uses the wrong pronoun.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If a leftist starts calling a biological male, you know, a female pronoun because that person wanted it, nope, banned.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sorry, that is outside of social acceptance, so we're going to, it's offensive to many people, so we're going to shadow ban you for doing that.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, like, we need a presence in these trust and safety rooms, right?
		I mean, think about the composition of these tech companies.
		There might be conservative coders, right?
		And, you know, they do some great things for us.
		But at the very end of the day, the final say goes to this trust and safety team, and they're governed entirely by these, like, you know, Far leftists that come from places like Sarah Lawrence or, you know, one of these liberal arts schools and they sit in there forever because they realize the power they have and they never hire a conservative and we never get a fair fight.
		And, you know, we have to start infiltrating beyond just like the engineer team.
		We have to, you know, reach every level of these social media companies to start pushing them back our direction.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or make better ones.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rumble's doing pretty well.
unidentified		Yeah, Rumble's doing great.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Elon bought X, so there's that.
		But I don't know, man.
		It's going to be interesting going forward, especially with all the talk of the AI stuff, because I'm wondering if we get to the point where it doesn't matter anymore.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's entirely possible that we're in the dead internet as it is, and it's entirely possible that the majority of accounts on X that you're talking to are AI.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you just would not know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In fact, it's just one AI manipulating thousands of accounts to trick you into thinking that, you know, you're having a conversation.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I mean, the average user's Twitter, uh, can all be AI generated and they just have to copy and paste.
		And so the only missing link at this time is automating that copy and pasting, uh, for the average user, but every other like state actor and these big corporations already has that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so I'm pretty sure you can get the, uh, open, uh, open AI API and probably create about a hundred percent very easily to talk to people, answer questions.
		Yeah.
		Yo.
		What, we had like a good year?
		There's that conspiracy we talked about the other day where people are like, those with the future viewing technology can't see past 2024.
		And it's like, maybe it's because everything just goes AI.
		Everyone locks themselves in their room, plugs their brain to the Neuralink.
		Once the AI reaches singularity, we will have, we will have, technology will be solved.
		It'll be a solved thing.
		So we create this massive planetary machine and give it the ability to process all this information, it will start telling us how to build whatever we want to build.
		You'll be like, I want a jetpack that can fly for at least two hours, safety features, and it will just design it for you.
		There will be no longer a human mind required to design it, the AI will just do it.
		Yeah, we'll just make it you'll say we need to wait.
		Hey, here's our car design Make it more fuel efficient and then it will redesign it and give you the perfect car design Yeah, I think the real concern in that framing is that you won't have access to that tool.
unidentified		These mega-corporations who are developing the product will have this god mode that allows them the full access, the full power, and you'll get this dumbed-down version that keeps you essentially locked into your economic class.
unidentified		You're just permanently trapped there, and they have all of these profit-generating tools available, solving the great mysteries of the world, and they're able to just print money, and you're trapped.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It will know how to make anything any consistency and any flavor and so you will effectively have you'll end up with this machine and it will have something called like they'll call it like biomass and they'll say you know this machine can take biomass and it can 3d print any meal and so once once the AI figures out Once we reach the singularity, where the AI can improve its own code, and it will rapidly expand, collect all available data from the internet, it will be able to be like, here's how you can make a food 3D printer, and the biomass will be roaches, and you'll press a button, you'll say, I want to eat something that tastes like a bacon McRib, and it will program the chemicals that it needs to make the McRib, and it will
		And then it will heat it up and you'll have, you know, barbecue rib and you'll be like, wow, this tastes great.
		You won't even realize it's roaches or crickets or something.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I mean, it's like, we're essentially handing over the universe as we know it and giving it to a new architect, one of these mega corporations, and just saying like, go for it.
		Wherever it leads, we're happy.
		And I mean, that's obviously not an acceptable outcome.
		Like we cannot have just a single company governing over the future.
		Like a single architect for our... People are going to smile and cheer for it.
		It's very likely.
		I mean, you give them Sora, you give them UBI because you don't have to go to work three days of the week or whatever because of automation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're already at the point where, you know, we're looking at these coffee machines where it's got a screen and you can just touch it.
		Whatever coffee you want, we'll make it.
		So, we don't need Starbucks anymore.
		I was at the airport, and they had this big machine, and you pressed a button, and it showed you, like, any drink you want.
		Cappuccino, macchiato, whatever.
		And, like, sure, we've had these kinds of things before, but no, it legit could make... I was like, I want a mochaccino with extra foam, and, you know, a little bit of sugar or whatever, and then it's like, makes it.
		We're done.
		We got kiosks at fast food restaurants.
		Robot arms flipping burgers.
		That robot video of the AI grabbing the apple, their website says they're doing it because of unemployment.
		This is the scary thing.
		Someone made a really good point that I did not consider before, that unemployment is a good thing.
		You need 3-4% unemployment so that people can move between jobs.
		If there is zero unemployment, you have a rigid society where everyone's locked into a job, and that creates problems where there's unhappiness and people need to move around.
		If we build these AI robots that can do any job to get rid of unemployment, then eventually you just get rid of jobs.
		So, uh, I can't remember what happened.
		Something happened at the Oscars where there was like an AI ad or something and they all booed.
		Something like that.
		I can't remember what happened.
		But they're pissed over AI because AI is replacing them.
		Yeah.
		I told, uh, I think it was Google Gemini.
		Someone posted this thing saying, write a poem in the style of, insert person, and when they tried to do it for me, it said I can't do that.
		So I asked Gemini, write a poem in the style of Tim Pool, and it did, and it wrote a really good one.
		Yeah, I read that.
		It's really weird.
		I was like, it understood the themes of the show.
		Gemini knew that we talk about censorship, media misinformation.
		It knew all of that.
		And the fascinating thing is the left lies about what we talk about.
		So the AI was actually aware of the contents of the show, probably because it transcribes everything we say into text and then puts it into its database.
		Crazy.
		We here doing this show, and we joked that in the future, People are gonna be watching this, and we'll just AI automate the show.
		It'll all be real-time automation, and you'll... No, no, no.
		No one will ever find out that even right now, we're all just AI.
		Yeah.
		Yeah, the real Tim is... He's playing Baldur's Gate.
		Not even here, right?
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		All right, we got Clint Torres.
		Howdy, people.
		Howdy, sir.
		David Wilkin says, Second, and while I'm sure it tasted goody, chili is made with mammals and has less than 20% beans in it, otherwise it isn't chili.
		Are you referring to our rooster chili?
		It certainly was a chili, otherwise I don't know what you'd call it.
		It was chili, and we put rooster in it.
		That's it.
		And the rooster tasted good.
		Jacob Parity says, Get married, have kids, protect your family.
		Good advice, Jacob.
		Alright, Steven says, maybe, says, maybe the ban wouldn't have happened if they didn't load it on my phone against my will.
		TikTok?
unidentified		Is that what it was?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Doey Farm says, please consider having Roy Rameon, candidate for West Virginia Department of Agriculture.
		West Virginia just won raw milk legalization, it was a big part of that.
		Really?
		Because we have pet milk!
		You get on the street, there's a farm, and they have raw milk.
		Not for human consumption.
		And people drink it.
		Because we get it.
		Whatever.
		Tastes good, I don't know.
		It's uh, it's certainly unique based on what the cows are eating.
		Patrick C says, brand destroyer Dylan Mulvaney will cease to exist without TikTok.
		Let's do it lol.
		Haha.
		Ready to Rumble says, Smeagol.
		Okay.
		Fat Tony says, I will switch my family over to Cast Brew Coffee if you get Marshall Hainer, the CEO of Metallicus on your show.
		He's pro-Bitcoin and knows about the upcoming stablecoin regulations.
		Very insightful and would be a great guest.
		Man, Bitcoin hit like 70, what, 74,000?
		Yeah, just keeps going.
		That's wild.
		It's kind of crazy to me that seven years ago, everyone's like, wow, Bitcoin, you buy it and it'll be worth a lot of money.
		And people didn't.
		I couldn't imagine what it must be like to be someone who saw a cycle every couple of years of Bitcoin going up, seeing mass adoption, countries adopting it, and then be like, but I'm not going to even try to buy any of that.
		I couldn't imagine that, because I did buy it ten years ago, and now it's worth a lot of money.
		And it's great.
		Feels good.
		Maybe I'll go disappear and retire with my cryptocurrency.
		But it's kind of crazy to me that there are a lot of people who are tweeting, like, no, don't buy it, it's worthless, it'll go to zero, and all this stuff.
		And I'm like, I don't know, a lot of stocks can go to zero, I guess.
unidentified		I mean, the only pathway to zero is essentially our government regulates it to death, right?
		It's impossible.
		Yeah, and so, like, obviously you should buy, right?
		I mean, that's kind of the framing.
		I think there's a lot of fear-mongering coming from Treasury under this administration that, you know, we're going to crack down, but it hasn't happened.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't even matter, though, because, like, El Salvador uses it as a national currency at this point.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, so I have people saying to me, like, you better sell, and I was like, for me, Bitcoin would have to drop to a thousand-something for me to lose money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so I'm kind of just like, oh, whatever.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		When it was at 60, I was like, whoa!
		When it dropped to 19, I was like, wow!
		And now it's back up to 74, and I'm like, whoa!
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's crazy.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If it drops down to a thousand, I'd be like, oh, whatever, I guess.
unidentified		Yeah, you ride the highs, you know?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I would certainly buy some if it came down to that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, sure, I guess.
		Let's go!
		Here we go.
		Let's grab some more Super Chats.
		Tim Crespi says, PBD made his fortune in multi-level marketing insurance scheme.
		Doesn't surprise me he is a liar, harms others, and hired Chris Cuomo.
		He's the Herbalife of Insurance.
		Is that true?
		I don't know if that's true.
		He had an insurance company and he sold it or something?
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I can't confirm, but I have heard stuff similar to that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Isaac Vanderbilt says, there goes the First Amendment, next is the guns.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that a reference to the TikTok, uh, divestiture bill?
unidentified		There you go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		ThatOneGamer says, rip Mr. Bocas, he's vibin' with Roberto Jr.
		in a better place.
		Yeah, they be chillin'.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ricky says, Flappy Bird can be banned simply from the Play Store making a decision, but somehow banning TikTok requires an act of Congress.
		Yeah, sure.
		Yes, it's because Apple and Google won't ban it.
		That's why.
		So, when the Play Stores are deciding they're gonna ban it, they do.
		For whatever reason.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, there's been dozens of letters from Congress asking them to delist the application, outlining all these same issues, and they just haven't done it.
unidentified		So, this is obviously the next step.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		MedMutt says, good evening Tim and company.
		Was listening to today's segments and was saddened to hear about Mr. Bocas.
		I wish to offer my condolences and heartfelt sympathies to your loss and especially to Ian, who I'm sure will feel his loss greatly.
		I appreciate it.
		We had a physical trainer come in today and we were doing some exercise and skated a little bit too.
		And when we were in the workout room, it's a relatively small room, We we always keep the door closed.
		And right after we finished our warm ups, I was like, I got to make sure we have the protein shake.
		I got my protein shake in the fridge because I don't want to be warm.
		And then I was and then I immediately thought better keep the door closed.
		And oh, wait, I don't have to worry about that anymore.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Because Mr. Buckley was missing from the stairs was really weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we had a gate to keep Mr. Bogus from going upstairs because he likes to pee on everything.
		He liked to pee on everything.
		So... And then I was like, oh, I guess we don't need to close the door anymore.
		We can just open it.
		Because there's no more Mr. Bogus.
		Sad days, sad days.
		For me personally, we now have Seamus.
		Seamus 1.
		So the new cat that we got, it's really interesting, around the time that Mr. Bocas became ill, a cat was born.
		He looks like Tom from Tom and Jerry, and then just under a year, so this is December, he was living in our garage, and I captured him, we gave him Stockholm Syndrome, and then we removed his testicles, and now we have dominion over him.
		And his name is Seamus One.
		Not to be confused with the ingrate who has abandoned us, Seamus Two, who is a cartoonist.
		But it was actually a joke.
		We were driving the car.
		I think it was me and Allison and Seamus, we were driving.
		And we were trying to come up with a name for him or something.
		And I was like, let's just call him Seamus.
		And then he started, Seamus was like, no.
		And it was a joke.
		But then everyone started calling the cat Seamus.
		And I was like, we should probably give him a real name.
		But everyone's like, no, no, it's hilarious.
		You know?
		Because then we would go on the show and be like, oh yeah, Seamus went in and get his testicles removed.
		And they'd be like, what?
		So, you know, now we have a cat named Seamus, I guess.
		Alright, Redeemed Rogue Molecule says, finally tried primetime grind 2x caffeine for the 10th poop velocity, 10x poop velocity.
		I feel invincible.
		Drink responsibly!
		Is that how Alex Stein is advertising it?
		I don't know.
		Because I talked to Alex and he was like, he's like, Tim, I will promote this coffee, you have no idea.
		I was like, well, we'd love to sponsor the show and...
		Support you so we sponsor we sponsor Alex Stein's show on the blaze
		We're big fans And we're probably gonna sponsor more people and we're
		talking about making different blends for different personalities
		And then have paying them to basically do promotions on their shows. I
		Wonder if is that how he's he's advertising is cuz that'd be funny
unidentified		All right Let's go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do we have here?
		KingFoePanda says, Tim, maybe someone should axe at Elon Musk and see if Axe would revive Vine as the free speech TikTok.
		Someone did a while ago, and I think he said he was interested in doing that.
		He should.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		So many people became famous on Vine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they got rid of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was the weirdest thing.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Overnight.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were like, let's let's destroy this very, very popular product.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		And then give TikTok- It was a Twitter product, I think, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it was- Twitter bought it.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then destroyed it.
unidentified		Hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It made no sense.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I have no idea.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Benjamin Laszlo says, I got the notification on TikTok to call my congressmen.
		I then called them and told them that it should be banned.
		Totally made my day.
		It's not so much that it should be banned, it's that we don't want Chinese interests influencing the algorithm that's affecting our kids.
		I'll put it really, really simple.
		We do not want communists to infiltrate our institutions and infect the minds of our children.
		It's one of the biggest things we're fighting right now in the culture war is stopping the schools from having these communists bring this awful pornographic content to kids.
		And that's what TikTok does, in some form or another.
		And so the issue is, like, we don't gotta ban it.
		We just have to take away their ability to control that algorithm.
		There you go.
		And it's not perfect, because I think Facebook's doing a good job.
		I would rather Jeff Bezos own TikTok than the Chinese Communist Party have influence in it.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's like, at the very least, lawyers in this country can sue and file FOIA requests, and we were able to do that to get information from Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter.
		Now here we are.
		With TikTok, what are you gonna do?
		Chinese Communist Party isn't gonna laugh in your face.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		They're not gonna come sit in the Congress building and stuff, right?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, like, the time the Chinese CEO or the Singaporean-based CEO comes and speaks to Congress, he just blatantly lies, right?
		And then he just is able to keep going on as though nothing happened, and the issue just persists.
		So, yeah, it's a non-issue.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rishanda Yates says, RIP Mr. Bocas.
		My cool aunt is a tapestry artist specializing in animals.
		Some people commission her for pet memorial art.
		Google Barbara Yates Beasley.
		Alright, thanks for that.
		You know what I want to do?
		I wonder if anyone can make a statue.
		Like a small bronze statue.
		And then we can put it outside of, uh, Freedomistan or something.
		And we'll get, uh, we have an AI picture of him.
		Yeah, so we've got actual pictures.
		And then as I was leaving the workout session today with the trainer, we have a box that's been sitting in what is effectively our mail room for months, for like four months, and it's a cold plunge that we've never set up.
		And the top of the box is shredded to bits.
		There's a giant hole through it.
		Because that was Bocas's nail-sharpening box, and he just, over time scratching it, carved a huge hole, and so we're going to frame that panel from the box, and, uh, there's another little sign on the door that says to keep the door closed, or our, you know- Mischief escape artist, something like that.
		Yeah, we'll get out, and so we're gonna put that with the box, and we're gonna frame it, and we're gonna hang it up, and that's gonna be his little memorial thing.
		Mr. Bocas!
		He made us some money.
		He sold coffee.
		He was very famous.
		And I was surprised to learn that Mr. Bocas was trending nationwide on X. So I want to give a thank you to everybody on X. I tweeted that Mr. Bocas passed, and it got something like 2,000 retweets.
		And a lot of people who had come by the show, who had met him, posted as well.
		Rest in peace.
		And it is an honor and a privilege to all of you.
		To have so many friends who shared photos of Mr. Bocas and said, rest in peace, to the extent that it resulted in a nationwide trend, Mr. Bocas.
		And I didn't believe it.
		And then someone sent it to me and I was like, whoa, I didn't even check.
		But what happened was when I tweeted it and got thousands of retweets, tons of very high profile accounts and people had been in the show had retweeted it and posted as well, Mr. Bocas, that resulted in a massive trend.
		So I do appreciate it.
		It's very nice.
		Sometimes the world is pretty good, huh?
		Greg Wessel says, any thoughts on Brandon Herrera forcing a runoff against Tony Gonzalez in Texas District 23?
		Let's go Brandon!
		I dig it!
		Brandon's great.
		Gotta have him on the show again.
		We can talk about it.
		Very excited, hope he wins!
		Alright, Joe Spinella says, clearly you never heard of the Patriot Act.
		That bills can be easily modified in the dead of night.
		Massey knows this, Paul knows this.
		So is there a risk that after they've passed the bill, the bill will be modified in a very bad way and wouldn't have to be passed again after being amended?
unidentified		No, it would have to go through the procedure again.
		I think the risk here is that the current bill could go to a committee like Commerce, and Commerce could derail the effort.
		They could poison pill it.
		They could put all sorts of stuff in it.
		And then obviously, I think Charlie Kirk said this, we reserve the right to revoke our support, right?
		Turn into something horrible.
		Everyone would sound the alarm.
		I'd be the first one out there, but we are on a pathway of this bill in this current state clearing and then it is set in stone and it would take an act of Congress to amend it and it would all be public.
		We'd all be able to track it and you'd be able to call your Congress.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't understand this argument for people who are like, oh no, they're coming for our free speech and I was like China's.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like they're coming for China's free speech in our country with a massive multinational corporation that is telling our young people to sterilize themselves?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, okay, I guess.
unidentified		Well, I mean, if the platform is, you know, if they do divest, it lives on in its exact current state.
		There isn't even a material change made to the algorithm required.
		And so the transfer, like there's all sorts of things.
		Yeah, there's all sorts of things that absolutely should change about TikTok's algorithm.
		This bill doesn't even do that.
		So your first amendment is absolutely protected.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Crazy!
		Alright.
		D99 says, Supersonic's eyes are red and only changed from black in the old classic, uh, classic sprite games.
		The blue eyed screenshot was from a trailer six months ago.
		Oh, interesting.
		Well, we were talking about how Goku in Dragon Ball Z is, in order to become powerful he becomes Aryan.
		His hair turns blonde and his eyes turn blue and that signifies he has tremendous power.
		Yeah.
		And then Sonic the Hedgehog turns gold when he gets the Chaos Emeralds.
		But apparently his eyes don't turn blue.
unidentified		Hey look man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tim Brackett says, no Cuomo. Thanks Tim for standing up for integrity in media. Hey look man,
		there are some people that I think deserve opportunities to apologize and as much as I
		dislike Cuomo, I would be... if he came out and outright admitted everything he did and said it
		was wrong, I don't know.
		I Might actually be like, okay Well, you have to allow people to walk towards the light if you don't they'll walk towards darkness But as far as I know, he's not done that He's just being given all these great positions and this he's being given a path to redemption without apology or acceptance of a responsibility So not a fan of any of that If he came out and was like, here's what CNN did, like blew the whistle and exposed it.
		If he was like, CNN made me do the quarantine thing and here's what they said to me and here's why I did it and I was under contract so I couldn't say anything.
		I'd be like, okay, well, you know, it's a good thing that he's talking about all this, addressing it and exposing it, but he's not doing that.
		So for now, he's just another lying scumbag.
unidentified		Let's go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Derek Jacobson says, bills of, what is this, attainder, are explicitly prohibited twice in the Constitution.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This bill is illegal and will be blocked by the courts.
unidentified		Yeah, so this is one we're hearing all the time, and it's simply not true.
		So bill of attainder essentially means that a bill cannot target and penalize a particular company or individual.
		So it can't be used as like a weapon, right?
		But there is nothing in bill of attainder, in these statutes, that blocks the ability to regulate a particular entity.
		This is a regulation, this isn't a punishment.
		And it's clear as day.
		That is the reason I was able to clear out 50-0 unanimous vote.
		Bill of Attainment has been what has been blocking every single one of these bills.
		These congressmen know that.
		And it cleared 50-0 out of Energy and Commerce, and then this resounding 300-plus vote victory on the House floor.
		So obviously Bill of Attainment is not an issue.
		It's that distinction, right?
		Penalization versus regulation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I think happens?
		Uh, I think once TikTok realized they were on the chopping block, they immediately started promoting, uh, out- This is my assumption of what is likely.
		I don't know exactly what happened.
		But I'd imagine that they started promoting a bunch of young, more right-leaning personalities, so that they would build attachment to the platform, and then start defending it.
		So now, you have people who are like, I've got hundreds of thousands of followers on this platform, I don't wanna get banned.
		Like, I use this platform, what the- Yeah.
unidentified		Well, and what's really interesting, we were talking about this earlier, there's no way to verify the follower count that it's actually authentic.
		There is no way to verify the view count.
		You don't even know if it's a one-to-one view ratio, right?
		There's no transparency to that.
		One view could actually equal 10.
		All of those views could be in Singapore.
		They could be in any other country, right?
		There is no way to verify any of this.
		So you have this right-wing influencer contingent that really believes they're doing good work spreading the word, but there is no proof.
		That this is actually meaningfully improving the situation on the ground.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, the way I kind of gauge the power of a platform is real world interactions.
		And I get a lot of people saying, oh, I watch you on Facebook.
		That's crazy to me.
		Cause I'm like, wow, we just passively post segments on Facebook.
		We don't really, and they're very censorious, but I meet a lot of people when I'm out and they'll be like, Oh, I'm a big fan.
		I get your posts on Facebook all the time.
		I was like, wow.
		Uh, I've gotten people saying Twitter slash X only a couple of times, but YouTube is the obvious and most dominant.
		When I track numbers to, uh, If we're... I'll say it like this.
		The most valuable platform is iTunes.
		A view on iTunes is probably the... I believe podcast views are probably the most legitimate rating system in all of media.
		And it's apparent because of your sales metrics.
		So when we do sponsor spots on YouTube, it's like 10% of what iTunes pulls in.
		And I'm like, now how is that possible?
		If we're getting 200,000 on a YouTube clip with a promo, but we're only selling a tenth of what we sell on iTunes, well the reality is, YouTube views are weak.
		Facebook views are extremely weak.
		Twitter views are extremely weak.
		I don't know about TikTok, because we don't sell, we've never sold sponsored spots on it, but you sell a sponsored spot on a podcast, and you sell ten times as much.
		So if we did a, hey, buy coffee here, the overwhelming majority of people are coming from the podcast, which likely is indicative of people, the people who are watching on podcasts are actual human beings, they're actual unique human beings who are listening and watching the show, where YouTube, you probably have a lot of, I clicked it and then I clicked out.
		So it counts as a view, they hung around, they didn't really pay attention, whereas people who go on a podcast actually end up listening to the whole thing.
		So, like for instance, we get way more views on YouTube for Timcast IRL, but the revenue generated is... We get more views on YouTube, and so it's not proportional in terms of views, but based on the CPM, the Timcast IRL ads are way more than we could ever do on YouTube.
		I think it has to do with viewership.
		So, in my view, what I know about TikTok, I would make the assumption that most of the views are fake.
		And so, the smartest thing China could do, or I should say these companies, is they're like, look, Trump supporters are advocating for our removal.
		Quick, give them a million followers.
		Yeah.
		Then they'll absolutely say, no, don't ban it.
		No, don't.
		Yeah.
		You can't even prove the followers are real.
unidentified		Yeah, and I think that is more than likely what we're seeing.
		It's not that big of a leap.
		And, I mean, really look at the community organizing efforts.
		Like, what is attributed to TikTok?
		If you have all of these, you know, great conservative influencers posting these, like, get out the vote videos, like, who's really going out there saying, I was told to vote in my congressional race by this TikTok influencer?
		In all likelihood, even if the views are real, they're probably going to a non-American English speaking country.
		That's the most likely, This is a great super chat from Mike Hillier.
		Says, I remember Tim yelling VPNs would be blocked by this bill yesterday till he was shown the bill by PSA Sitch.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is a great super chat from Mike Hillier.
		He says, I remember Tim yelling VPNs would be blocked by this bill yesterday till he
		was shown the bill by PSA Sitch.
		I do not watch PSA Sitch.
		He showed me nothing.
		What actually happened was Thomas Massey posted an out of context excerpt and I trusted Thomas
		Massey and I said, based on this reading, I tweeted, this would ban telegram and VPNs.
		I'm like, that sounds terrible.
		So I pulled the bill up and went, holy crap, that's not true.
		That's not in the bill.
		Now I'm kind of pissed off that I tweeted.
		Maybe I should go and delete that tweet.
		I wasn't even thinking about it.
		It would not delete, uh, block VPNs.
		That's only based off of the limited tweet by Thomas Massie, which did not provide actual context to anybody who follows him, so I'm very pissed off about that.
		And then I read it, and I was like, wait, wait, wait.
		It has to be a platform controlled by a foreign adversary, which is defined by Congress, which is one of four countries.
		You have to be able to create an account, log in, post content, share content, and others have to be able to log in and view that content.
		Okay, so VPNs are not subject to this.
		And it's basically owned, and it has to have a million users.
		Okay, so I was like, what is this?
		Why are all of these people going online and screaming and bashing their faces on the wall and lying about this?
		I don't get it.
unidentified		It's what information warfare looks like, right?
		Like we're living through one of the probably greatest battles we've experienced on the internet.
		The fight for the longevity of this platform.
		China's waging a good fight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why is Trump now opposed to banning TikTok?
unidentified		Well, I think the political moment is very complicated for him.
		There's a lot of business interest in preserving it, and I think that it is, like, from his POV, probably the right position.
		Make it Biden's problem.
		You know, maybe you get all the TikTok voters.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Biden will sign the bill, and then you will get a wave of Gen Z saying, Biden screwed us over and destroyed us.
unidentified		And it's like, you can't really fault him.
		He's out of power.
		Even if he, you know, wasn't supportive of it, he wouldn't be able to sign it.
		So like, why would you take a politically controversial stance?
		You really can't blame him for it.
		I wish he was in support of it.
		I thought his 2020 executive order was great.
		But you know, things keep moving and hopefully we get a TikTok ban here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's trying to make sure that young people just don't come out for Biden.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, we'll just grab one last Super Chat.
		Steve McGee says, you're a rad cat dad.
		Thanks for taking care of Bocas.
		Had a dog that left early.
		You gave him a great life.
		Mr. Bocas was the 1% of kitties.
		And he was very lucky, rescued, and unfortunately, you know, as I've said a million times, his kidneys were underdeveloped, they were very small, and so they were working overtime, basically doing two times the work, which resulted in a shortened lifespan.
		So, you know, we were surprised that he was getting sick because cats actually have these really good kidneys.
		But older cats usually die of renal failure.
		And so when we found out that he was having renal failure, and we were like, how is this possible?
		He was like five years, he was four, five, he was four years old when...
		Yeah, four and a half.
		And they said they're very small.
		He's underdeveloped.
		Was he a rescue?
		I was like, yeah.
		And they're like, and he's also got a heart problem.
		So we tried everything.
		We gave him stem cells.
		And they even said that he could do a kidney transplant.
		What they do is a cat that is going to be put down because nobody wants to adopt it or whatever.
		They will take one of its kidneys and give it to your cat, and you must adopt that cat.
		So you save that cat, and it saves your cat, and then you're responsible for both.
		And I said, done!
		And they said, Mr. Bocas' heart will fail.
		It can't handle a transplant.
		And so they were like, give him medication, see how long he lasts, and that was it.
		Alright everybody, well we're going to go to the members-only show.
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		What do you got?
		What are you shouting out over here?
unidentified		Yeah, follow me on xrealjdenton and follow our work at the Heritage Foundation.
		We're doing a lot on artificial intelligence.
		I've got a new op-ed out with Compact talking about that content moderation regime we talked about.
		So yeah, there'll be a lot more coming in the next few weeks from us.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Shout out to Mr. Bocas.
		He lived a long, great life, and he went too soon.
		If you want to follow me, you can follow me at Carter Banks Everywhere.
		Also, if you go to TrashHouseRecords.com, it'll direct you to the YouTube channel.
		In the interim, I'm working on a new song.
		Very excited about that.
		Chris Carr.
chris karr ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
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unidentified		Thanks, John, and shoutouts to everyone at the Heritage Foundation.
		When we were there previously in the past, they were really accommodating.
		Carter was there with me as well.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Awesome.
		Is it John?
		Yeah.
		Pardon me, Mr. Denton.
		I don't know.
		Pardon me.
		Sorry.
		Yeah, whatever.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		Anyways, cheers.
carter banks ▲ ● ▼		I'm surge.com.
unidentified		See you later.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll see you all over at TimCast.com in a minute.

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