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Man Says He Was Hired To KILL Tucker Carlson, HAZMAT At Don Jr's Home w/Graham Allen | Timcast IRL
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unidentified
So, I guess the big news is that Donald Trump won the primaries, but it's not really news
tim pool
because who saw that coming?
The actual big news right now, which I will immediately start the show by saying doubt, is a man claiming he was hired by the Ukrainian government to assassinate Tucker Carlson.
The video is going massively viral.
Apparently Russian intelligence captured him or anti-terror captured him.
I gotta say, I doubt it.
But Charlie Kirk brings up that there was a propagandist for Ukraine who actually had a video saying one of the Kremlin's favorite propagandists will pay for their crimes very soon back in September.
Nothing really happened after that, so maybe.
Unless, of course, this is a reference to Gonzalo Lira.
Not entirely sure, but I think it's fair to say Doubt.
Healthy skepticism because it's a big propaganda game in war and it's easy for Russia to come out and claim, oh look, Ukraine's trying to kill Tucker because Tucker was just there.
Apparently they're going to plant a car bomb.
But we'll talk about that.
The real, the actual news in terms of assassination attempts is not necessarily a real assassination attempt, but Don Jr.
had hazmat crews descend upon his home because of death threats and white powder being sent to him.
Man!
It's the end of February.
Come on.
You know, guys, things are always kind of chill in the winter, and if it's still winter and this is what's happening, I fear, and I hope I'm wrong, but I fear that summer will get absolutely crazy.
So we're gonna talk about that.
Plus, one of the most viral stories of the past weekend is an airman, active duty, who self-immolated in front of the Israeli embassy while screaming free Palestine and said that he will no longer be complicit in genocide.
This story is going massively viral with many on the right saying he was mentally ill, many on the left saying that he is a Christian martyr.
Defending the colonized people of Palestine.
I'm not gonna waste time for you guys.
I articulated quite a bit that I think he was mentally ill.
And I think if you're trapped in the online world and you don't touch grass, you might actually take your own life because of these things you're seeing on the internet.
That would imply that you are suffering from something that needs to be diagnosed and treated so that you don't end your own life.
But hey, you know what?
Let's talk about that.
We'll get into all the news.
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unidentified
What's going on, everybody?
Thanks for having me, Tim.
I appreciate it.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
unidentified
I'm a guy that started ranting in his truck, turned it into a show.
I host Dear America on Rumble and anywhere people can listen to podcasts, have an apparel company, 912 United, and then have a couple charities that me and my wife run.
And so that's it.
I run my mouth for a living.
tim pool
Right on.
Should be easy then.
We'll run our mouths together for the next couple of hours with our friends Ian and Hannah Brimelow hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I won't even talk tonight.
I'm Anne-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for SCNR.com.
It's Scanner News.
I'm really grateful to be a part of that team.
Ian's here.
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tim pool
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tim pool
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Yeah, I'm just hanging out.
Yeah, it's great work, Kent, by the way, and wherever you are, Tim.
tim pool
Let's go!
We have this tweet from Kaneko the Great.
I've actually seen this tweeted out by several people, including Mario Nawfal and retweeted by Charlie Kirk.
Kaneko says breaking Russian counter-terrorism unit thwarts assassination attempt on Tucker Carlson.
I'm gonna pause really quick before I read through this and just say personally, doubt.
I don't know how much I really believe this is a true story, but far be it from me to know and be able to assert or be the arbiter of truth.
Let me just read for you.
He writes, a Moscow man was arrested for allegedly accepting payment from Ukrainian intelligence to plant an explosive on Tucker Carlson's vehicle, targeting the American journalist during his interview with Putin.
Quote, in November 2023, I was recruited by the Main Directorate of Intelligence of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
I was trained in working with special communications, collecting and detonating explosive devices.
On January 31st, I received a task from the curator to pick up an explosive device from a hiding place and use it to blow up a car.
What was promised to you?
Quote, $4,000.
Where was the explosive device supposed to be used?
Quote, In the underground parking of the Four Seasons Hotel in Moscow, I was supposed to pick up the explosive device from a hiding place and place it under the car.
Who was it targeting?
I wasn't told.
Do you know who the target was now?
Yes, American journalist Tucker Carlson.
What went wrong?
I was detained at the preparation stage.
So, you have this video.
And, you know, I don't know how true it is.
The source, apparently, is a website called The Intel Drop that I'm not particularly familiar with, though many people have been citing this.
I do want to point out, there was a blogger, an online personality, who was assassinated.
You guys remember this story?
When he was given a bust, like a sculpture of his head or something.
And it was placed in a bag at an event where he was speaking, and then there was a bomb and it exploded and actually killed a bunch of people.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So the idea that there are pro-Ukrainian forces using explosive devices to assassinate opposition media is an established fact.
Whether or not this guy's telling the truth, I honestly have no idea.
I don't know if anybody does.
I don't know what the intel drop is.
unidentified
Well, Tucker's on the Ukraine list, right?
Of people that they want.
tim pool
Well, there's like a list they're accusing and many people refer to it as a hit list.
I think that... Here's the funny thing.
This is the way the mainstream media works.
There is a list produced by Ukrainians and supported by the Ukrainian government that has a bunch of anti-Ukraine personalities and people they don't like.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Some of those people have gotten murdered.
So people who are, you know, critical of Ukraine's government say it's a hit list and they're saying it, you know, kind of like, essentially, this is what they're doing.
They're creating a list of targets.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The media then comes out and says, no, it isn't.
That's a lie.
That's fake news.
However, they also claim that Libs of TikTok is effectively producing a hit list.
They say that she's creating a target by mentioning these people.
You can't have it both ways.
If the Ukrainian government is listing a bunch of people they view as enemies of the state, it is substantially different from someone on the internet posting other people's public posts.
unidentified
No, no, no.
I agree, but that's what I'm saying.
So Ukraine has this list.
People on this list have ended up not here anymore.
Why is it such a far-fetched thing to say that they don't want Tucker or they did not want Tucker Carlson to interview Putin?
I think it could be true.
tim pool
I do too.
I think it absolutely could be true.
It's hard to know because it's information warfare.
Putin also has interests in getting Americans to believe that Ukraine is their enemy and would kill an American citizen as well.
So it's hard to know for sure.
It really is.
And you're gonna have to just decide what you think makes the most sense.
But you should also understand Vladimir Putin does not have your best interests in mind.
He hates this country.
And, like, I can understand criticisms of the US military-industrial complex and the things NATO has done.
But Vladimir Putin's not going to draw a distinction between the American people who support Trump and America in general.
It is a whole body he is opposed to, so his interests would ultimately see Americans suffer.
So I'm not going to trust things coming out of Russia.
That being said, Charlie Kirk tweeted this.
A Moscow man named Vassilyev Pyotr Alekseevich, probably pronouncing that wrong, claims he was recruited and trained by Ukrainian intelligence to plant an explosive device in the underground parking lot of Four Seasons in Moscow to assassinate an unknown target, who he later learned was Tucker Carlson.
He says it's impossible from the outside to verify the credibility of this claim.
But remember this.
Remember the September 2023 clip from Sarah Ashton Cirillo, a transgender former U.S.
soldier who acts as an English-speaking spokesman for the Ukrainian military.
Quote, next week, the teeth of the Russian devils will gnash even harder and their rabid mouths will foam in uncontrollable frenzy as the world will see a favorite Kremlin propagandist pay for their crimes.
This puppet of Putin is only the first.
Russia's war criminal propagandists will all be hunted down and justice will be served.
He says, I speculated then that Tucker Carlson was at the top of their hit list.
Did Ukraine just attempt to make good on this threat?
Now, of course, you're going to hear from corporate press, the mainstream media saying it's unverified, unfounded, don't believe it.
Charlie Kirk makes a good point.
The only sentence that matters is this.
Russia's war criminal propagandists will all be hunted down and justice will be served.
unidentified
All.
Yeah.
tim pool
If this is a spokesperson for the Ukrainian military saying the people they view as Russian propagandists will be hunted down and then someone comes out later saying they were hired to go after Tucker Carlson, I'm like, well, I mean, you're the one who claimed you would be doing it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I mean, it's an interesting timing, too, because Russia's on the eve of a presidential election.
It's like March 15th is the Russian election.
So all of the spinning that could happen right now is sort of hitting a critical fever pitch that we don't experience the same way because we're on a November timeline.
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
Whereas for Putin, this is the final, I mean, what, final two, three weeks before he faces an election where I assume he'll be reelected.
unidentified
Yeah, like it's really an election.
hannah claire brimelow
But for everyone else, you know, that's not the only election that's happening in Russia.
It's an interesting time.
unidentified
Well, the biggest thing that people have to remember, and we talk about this on our show a lot, is, you know, Ukraine is not this beacon of light and this beacon of hope in the world, and neither is Russia.
Nobody's saying, yay Putin!
You know, like, Putin's awesome, you know.
No, Putin has a special place when he dies, I believe, but Ukraine is just as bad in their ways as well.
And so there are two bad countries that we're mixed in this forever war that they're trying to get us into between the two of them.
So, but back to the point, I absolutely believe that this could be true.
tim pool
You know, I wonder which circle of hell Putin will find himself in.
Off the top of my head, I thought the seventh.
unidentified
The one with Adolf and the pineapples.
The little Mickey.
You know?
tim pool
So, if you're familiar with the circles of hell, the seventh was those who are violent towards others.
But I have to imagine that someone like Putin has certainly betrayed the people around him, for which he would be reserved the deepest level of help.
Where I believe you are what?
Frozen in ice and chewed in the mouth of the devil for eternity?
Is that what it is?
I don't know.
unidentified
It's been a long time since I read Dante's Inferno.
tim pool
But, um, look.
You know, you said there's no one, but generally speaking there's no one, but there really are weird fringe people on Axe who are going to defend Putin.
unidentified
Oh yeah, there's always weirdos out there, absolutely.
Sane human beings that pay attention to anything.
tim pool
I think the issue for us is, you know, under Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin's like, he backs off.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Well, Trump crushes ISIS.
Trump did arm Ukraine!
And this is what a lot of people need to understand because the left, you know, libertarians anti-war people are like, you know, Putin would have invaded.
Trump was arming Ukraine.
I'm like, yeah, but why?
Why did Putin back off for the four years that Donald Trump was president?
He's amassing his forces, taking Crimea under Obama.
Trump gets in and then he stops.
unidentified
Yeah, Trump's got a bigger button.
tim pool
It's not so, yes, but I do think Putin thought, let's see who Trump is.
What did Trump do?
He crushes ISIS.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And now Putin's like, maybe we can actually find peace with this guy.
Maybe he's not going to to try and crush us the way the right Russia fears the uniparty establishment will try to crush NATO.
I'm sorry, crush Russia, because now we're learning What was it today?
I forgot what I was watching.
It was Hungary.
I think it was Hungary saying Ukraine will absolutely be in NATO.
And they're paving the way for all of this to happen.
Now you take a look at the map and Russia's almost every border on Europe is NATO.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
One unified military power.
And based on what we've already seen, with Chuck Schumer, Adam Kinzinger, and the rest of them saying we must crush Russia, Russia's gonna be like, it's war then.
You get Donald Trump, and Donald Trump, what did he say at his rally?
He's like, they don't pay, I would tell Russia to do whatever the hell they want.
unidentified
Yeah, and they tried to crucify him for that, but he has a point.
Yeah, they don't pull their part, they don't pull their weight.
tim pool
whether it was a lot of the help of with your like what i'm sad i kinda feel like if trump is
elected by repose gonna say okay what you doing
the trumps gonna say i don't want war i don't care for whatever this dispute is
america's insurance borders we're gonna boost our economy were a drill for oil
unidentified
russia do whatever the hell you want what he said that interview uh...
I can't remember who it was, but Trump talked about this specifically and they said, well, you know, what's your goal between Russia and Ukraine?
I just want people to stop dying.
That's my goal.
I just want people, which I think is the best answer anyone's said in a long time.
I just want people to stop dying.
You know, you've got Zelensky out there just the other day now talking about that 31,000 Ukrainian soldiers have died.
Where?
I want to see where all of that is.
I don't believe that for one second.
tim pool
You know what I thought when I heard about all these Ukrainian soldiers dying?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Who cares?
unidentified
Well, I mean, yeah, that's the point too, but my point is, where's the proof?
We've got all these videos coming out of Israel instantly, and this Ukraine-Russian war has been going on for two years.
I've been to war.
This isn't how it works.
That's not how it happens.
tim pool
I don't like Ukrainian soldiers dying in war, but I also know that ain't nobody in this country is talking about, I don't know, Sudan, or Burma.
There are so many regions on this planet where there's active war and death, and for some reason it's Oh, no.
Oh, the poor people of Ukraine.
Look, the poor people of everywhere.
unidentified
Yeah, there's evil everywhere.
Relentless murder of women and children everywhere.
But we're super focused on what the elites want us to be focused on right now, which is Russia and Ukraine.
tim pool
I'm pretty upset with how, like, NATO forces destabilized Libya and brought back the slave trade.
So when NATO starts expanding, Not a fan of where this is going to lead to.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then what do you get?
You get a mass influx of refugees, economic migrants and criminals flooding into Europe.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And now, you know, it's really fascinating about the immigration crisis in the US is everything I'm hearing that we've been talking about was said about Europe like six, seven years ago.
unidentified
Yeah, they're always about 10 years ahead of us on what's going to happen.
tim pool
Man, here we are.
ian crossland
What stuff?
What do you mean?
tim pool
Well, so, you know, six or seven years ago across Europe, You had economic migrants from Sub-Saharan Africa traveling up through Africa to Libya, where they would be transported into Europe.
Now, it's still happening, mind you.
But it was massive waves of boats, and there were a lot of people coming from Afghanistan and Syria, but they were substantially less.
There was the Western, Central, and Eastern migration routes through the Mediterranean.
And I believe the Central was the dominant one, which was mostly economic migrants from Sub-Saharan Africa coming into Europe, being lied to.
They were being told by NGOs, if you come here, there's jobs, there's shelter, there's food.
And when they showed up, it was freezing, and they were living in tents.
And I actually interviewed some of these individuals in France at a gigantic inflatable migrant center where everyone was just sitting in a big open space.
And outside I asked some people and they said, we were lied to.
It's freezing here, there's no food, there's no jobs, they tricked us.
And that's exactly what we end up seeing with a lot of people coming in the migrant caravans to the United States.
There are NGO groups massively funded that have been encouraging people to come to Europe and the United States.
Part of me wonders, Who, you know, it's funny we're talking about war with Russia and all that stuff.
I would love to believe that Russia was funneling money to groups to send illegal immigration into Europe and the United States to destabilize NATO.
The only problem is the uniparty establishment wants it to happen.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And the politicians of Europe also want it to happen.
So they're actually in favor of the destruction, which Bernie Sanders said in 2015, quote, will make your country poorer.
That's Bernie.
Open borders is a Koch Brothers proposal!
I can't do Bernie too well anymore, I gotta practice.
unidentified
But he says that, uh... That's okay, he's leaving the set anyways.
Bernie can't even do Bernie that well anymore.
tim pool
But he said in an interview on Vox, we brought it up last week, it will make your country poorer.
Having open borders will make your country poorer.
Now here we are.
unidentified
Yeah, go figure.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to the next story.
So, while the story about Tucker Carlson is interesting, we actually have something here at home.
This is from scnr.com.
Hazmat crew arrives at home of Donald Trump Jr.
after he was sent white powder and death threats.
Quote, this is actually the second time, the second white powder substance, sorry, quote, this is actually the second white powder substance envelope that's been mailed to me, Trump Jr.
unidentified
said.
tim pool
So apparently this, I don't know, is this an actual image of the letter?
hannah claire brimelow
From what I know, yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
It's Cassandra's story, but from what I know, that's the letter.
tim pool
Hazmat and firefighters were at the Jupiter, Florida home of Donald Trump Jr.
on Monday after the former president's son received a threatening letter containing white powder.
The letter was also addressed to his fiancée, Kimberly Guilfoyle, Eric Trump, and his wife, Laura, Jared and Ivanka Kushner, and Barron Trump.
Quote, Trump Jr., the eldest son of former president Donald Trump, received the letter and opened the envelope, causing the white powder to fly out.
I just gotta say, Don, what are you doing opening your own mail?
unidentified
Yeah, I don't get that at all, Don.
tim pool
I don't open mail!
unidentified
Yeah, no, what are you doing?
It makes no sense to me.
tim pool
So, I mean, look, I'm not going to blame the guy for wanting to open mail.
It's a normal human thing everyone should do and he shouldn't be receiving these kinds of attacks against him.
For me, I can just say this.
Our security's been so intense, we've got, like, crazy mail security now.
It's nuts.
We used to have a P.O.
box where people could send stuff.
We had to get rid of it.
I mean, it still kind of exists, but it's like most stuff has to be returned because of security issues.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, absolutely.
It's almost like, to receive that stuff, it's almost an unreasonable amount of security you gotta go through.
tim pool
It just ends up getting thrown back.
unidentified
Do we know what the letter said?
tim pool
Well, yeah, I don't know if I should read it, though, because it's probably a death threat.
Yeah, let's see.
unidentified
I'm just curious if it said like any like, you know, you're you're the reason this country's falling apart.
You're the Antichrist.
I mean, you know, something like that.
tim pool
Let's just say it's generally things like that, calling Donald, like his father, Don Jr., continues to shack up with his California whore, news him as laughing his ass off, and it goes on to just disparage and insult the family containing white powder.
unidentified
Do you think, and Tucker Carlson has talked about this a lot, and I agree with him, with everything they're throwing at Donald Trump right now.
The only thing left is to go after him in a different way, right?
you know, just absolute banana republic that happened in New York this most recent ruling.
The only thing left is to go after him in a different way, right?
I don't want to get us in trouble here on everything, but we all know.
hannah claire brimelow
Just to intimidate his family.
unidentified
Yeah, intimidate his family.
I mean, do you think that this is the next step?
Because everything that's been thrown at Trump, Trump's family, everything like that, do you think, you know, this type of thing, I mean, we're talking about this right here, do you think that this is the next thing that's going to happen?
Because the people that do not want Trump to win, they're losing their mind because nothing's working, right?
tim pool
In Trump's first campaign, a man tried grabbing a gun from a cop to assassinate Trump.
unidentified
Yeah, right!
tim pool
So, the issue is, For the powerful interests that don't like Donald Trump, they're smart.
And they know, as the saying goes, if you take a shot at the king, don't miss.
So if you're going up against Donald Trump, you have to make sure you've planned everything out.
You need five layers of strategy.
And so, what do we got?
We got New York with these, they're hitting them and it's multifaceted.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You've got the NDA trial, you've got the E. Jean Carroll rape trial, you've got the fraud trial, you've got the Georgia trial, you've got the documents trial, the federal level.
unidentified
January 6th trial.
tim pool
January 6th trial.
I mean, they're throwing every legal weapon at him that they can because that is the slow boil attack against Trump that can stop him without creating a shock to the system.
Basically, imagine this.
Donald Trump is, you know, he's got a bunch of tiny little people firing little ropes over him, slowly wrapping him up one at a time, as if he's Godzilla being stopped by the military.
I want you to imagine that.
That's how I envision it.
unidentified
The Democrats... A big orange Godzilla.
tim pool
A big orange Godzilla.
And Democrats have a thousand little soldiers all firing ropes, tying him up.
No single action is going to stop Trump.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I don't think they would actually try to harm Donald Trump.
As of right now, because it would shock the system so massively, it could rip the country apart and it could actually harm their efforts to gain control.
unidentified
But under that logic, we have to believe that the left, that I don't believe, actually wants what's best for the country.
They don't want the country to rip itself apart.
Which I don't think that they want.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't want to make Trump a martyr, right?
tim pool
You're right.
Far leftists, Antifa types may want to, but I don't think the establishment deep state would allow the far left to try anything to harm Donald Trump.
For now, I don't know, things will change.
Right now, we're looking at Donald Trump getting a $454 million fine with $87,500 per day added onto it.
It is completely illegitimate as far as any sane human goes, but they are going to use the force of New York State to try and go after Trump in a way they would describe as legitimate.
It's not, but they're going to say, look, it's the law and the judge said so.
Trump's got to fight that.
That is the slow boil move against Trump, which stops system shock.
The powers that be want the system to remain intact to a certain degree.
I think they're viewing it like having a fever, you know?
Heat everything up to a point where you can shuffle off like January 6th, right?
Convince them all to do something stupid, yell at them and tell them to go storm the Capitol.
When they do, you can then start arresting them under legitimacy of law.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
If Donald Trump gets hurt in any way, it's gonna martyr him.
Even if he doesn't die, it's gonna rally support for him.
We see this with every politician when someone tries to take the life of a politician.
So I think the Uniparty is like, very much so, Trump must be safe.
And he must be destroyed in court.
hannah claire brimelow
And the legal onslaught is what the faction of the Republican Party that doesn't want to see him elected is also using against him.
Nikki Haley gave that speech last week, midweek, where she's like, I'm not dropping out.
And one of her criticisms of Trump was he spends more time in the courtroom than on the campaign trail.
But why does he spend so much time in the courtroom?
Because he has to, because he's under attack in a way that no politician who has campaigned has been under attack.
Which I find really interesting, because obviously, at this point, those who are supporting Nikki Haley are just Probably anti-Trump.
unidentified
Well, they're Democrats, most of them.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, and because that's the talking point, oh, he's not out here campaigning enough.
It's interesting that it's two sides teaming up to say the legal front is Trump's biggest witness.
unidentified
Well, what does that say about the country right now?
Because she is right, right?
I mean, that is true.
He's spending more time in the courtroom, less time on the campaign trail.
She tried to put this thing out there the other day, which Nikki Haley unfriended me, so the gloves are off now.
Either way.
hannah claire brimelow
Like unfriended you on Facebook?
unidentified
On Instagram and whatnot, which is crazy because either way, boy, so gloves are off.
She did this post about how he's all in court.
He spent like $100 million over the course of whatever.
Well, she spent like upwards of $300 million in the past three, four months and has got her butt kicked every single step of the way.
I don't know.
To me, it seems like a boiling point where we're at because they're doing anything and everything they can.
The money thing is concerning.
It really is.
People's net worth versus what they actually have on them and the availability is very different.
And so the money thing is a concern.
I think everybody is concerned about that because that is, in a way, Trump's superpower.
He doesn't need the money of other people, and if he wasn't being donated a dime, he could self-fund this thing himself.
Going after that, taking away the business license for three years, how long is this going to take to get an appeal?
But back to the original thing about this, maybe they don't go after Trump himself, but what about his family?
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's, I mean, one of the lawsuits involved is so none of the Trumps can be an operative business in New York at all, right?
unidentified
Well, that's the New York one, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, and so there is this idea that they're going after them financially.
They want Trump to be bankrupt, but they also want it so none of his sons who took over the business, you know, because he had to move everything into their names, they do not want any of the Trumps to be able to succeed financially and potentially run other political campaigns, right?
unidentified
Where was the Secret Service during this letter?
Don't all the immediate family kids still have secrets?
Or does that go away after a while?
hannah claire brimelow
That's what I would want to know about this letter in particular.
Because obviously, yes, you can have systems so that your business mail doesn't come directly to you or whatever else.
But theoretically, if this letter made it far enough into his home...
How was it disguised?
How was it sent?
Was it something that says, like, this is from your children's school?
unidentified
Or, like, this is from your kid's school.
hannah claire brimelow
It definitely needs your signature.
So it gets through some sort of screening process.
Like, that's what's so interesting to me about this letter.
The fact that it was able to make it into the home.
unidentified
Yeah, I agree with you.
Which would mean it's someone who's close enough to know where the Or where did the security breakdown happen?
I've talked to the Trump team many times about I think they need to double, triple, quadruple the security that's going on for a letter like this with a white powdery substance and we'll find out if they haven't already released if it was anything at all yet.
Hopefully it wasn't.
How did that actually get into the home?
That would make me question who's around Don Jr.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I mean, the other thing about this letter is like he's listing all of it says it's it's to all of the siblings and their significant others, except for Tiffany Trump and her husband, right?
Like, there is a level where this is and she's the one who's the most removed.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Other than Barron, although Barron goes viral every once in a while for being 100 feet tall.
unidentified
Dude, if he don't get a NBA contract it's gonna be crazy.
hannah claire brimelow
He absolutely cannot fit in the White House anymore.
No.
No, but I mean there is a level where people who are sort of deranged will do whatever it takes and maybe something gets through a security system.
I think that generally the The children of Trump have always been caught in the crosshairs.
Some of them want to be more publicly involved and some of them want to be more private.
Arguably, that's true for any child of a president, right?
That there will always be people who hate your parents and people will want to intimidate you.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, somebody's getting fired.
That's all I know.
That the letter got all the way to Don Jr.
and Don Jr.
physically opened it himself.
Yeah, somebody's getting fired.
tim pool
How do you... I can't understand that.
unidentified
How does it get there?
That's what I'm saying.
tim pool
I've not opened a piece of mail in like six years.
unidentified
Look at the security.
Trump team, if you're watching, look at the security of you.
Who let that get to you?
That's the real question.
hannah claire brimelow
That's where I feel like it has to be something that was either hand-delivered to him specifically or was marked in a way that only he was supposed to see the contents of it.
And again, that's why my default is to think like, oh, it's a letter from school, right?
That's maybe got sensitive information about your kids.
unidentified
But still, to Tim's point, it just seems like Don Jr.
doesn't open his mail.
You know, like, oh, it's a bill.
Don Jr.
doesn't open a bill.
You know, like, I mean, they've got other people that pay the bill.
I mean, this is the Trump family, right?
Like, that's weird.
tim pool
No, I don't know.
I think Trump Jr.
probably pays all his own bills and takes care of business and all that stuff.
unidentified
I bet he's got an accountant.
tim pool
Yeah, but I mean like, I don't know about his bills.
Clearly he's opening his own mail.
unidentified
Well, obviously he's opening his own mail.
tim pool
I gotta say, this story's crazy to me because I'll tell you two things.
Not only do I not open mail, but I certainly wouldn't open a letter from someone I didn't recognize.
Dude, I don't even answer my phone.
It doesn't matter who's calling.
unidentified
So if they impersonated somebody that they knew, isn't that a felony?
To impersonate somebody via the federal mail?
Oh, I'm so-and-so that you know?
Isn't that a crime?
tim pool
People spoof phone numbers, so I don't even answer my phone.
Because it could say anything, and you'll answer it, and you will get something else.
Aside from that, I mentioned this before, At a certain point, and maybe it's just, I'd assume Trump family security issues are way worse than ours, but I don't have my own computer, phone, and I don't have the mail, I don't have email, I don't have anything.
unidentified
When you go to Mar-a-Lago, I mean, they know me there.
Like, I go there a lot, and I get the same treatment, the same pat-downs, the same everything all the time.
So again, to your point, that's the weirdest part to me, is Well, ladies and gentlemen, things are certainly heating up.
tim pool
And no pun intended.
U.S.
Airman dies after setting himself on fire outside Israeli embassy.
Aaron Bushnell yelled a free Palestine, then lit himself on fire near the Israeli embassy of Washington, D.C.
He live streamed this.
It is going viral among many on the left and many pro-Palestinians who are fervently cheering on this young man, who I will say unquestionably was mentally ill.
And I don't know how you could deny it.
That you would go in front of the Israeli embassy, self-immolate while screaming free Palestine.
And there are a lot of people who hate Israel.
There are a lot of people with legitimate criticisms of Israel I can respect.
But there are people who are... The issue of Israel-Palestine...
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
I don't know how you describe this.
There are mental disorders in the DSM-5 we understand.
Somebody's eating their hair.
And they do it all the time.
They eat pennies.
I reference Pike a lot.
There's body dysmorphic disorder.
People want to remove body parts.
We know that those things exist.
But there's something else.
If somebody is placed in a room for two weeks, and the only thing they're shown is the same images over and over and over again, you can drive them insane.
You can shatter their minds.
So I would say, outright, a man who walks in front of the Israeli embassy, sets himself on fire, he poured some clear liquid, presumably gasoline, Says the people of Palestine have been living under the rule of their colonizers who are committing genocide against them and I will no longer be complicit.
Ignites himself.
So the first question I have is to what end?
What was the logical thought process of doing something like this?
I don't think he had one.
unidentified
The amount of mental illness that you have to be at to take your life in that way.
tim pool
I want to say this to all the leftists.
When they're saying there's a genocide going on, did he light himself on fire over the Uyghur Muslims?
Is he lighting himself on fire over the Sudanese conflict, for which the U.S.
certainly plays a role?
What about the Yemen?
The Yemeni humanitarian crisis has been going on for a very, very long time.
I mean, ten years ago, we were talking about a secret war in Yemen, with cities being bombed by U.S.
drones, even though we're not at war.
American citizens being killed.
This is my point.
This young man never did anything like this for any one of the other serious and egregious military affairs happening around the world with US involvement.
So when you see someone scream, free Palestine, calling it a genocide and then lighting themselves on fire, What I see here is a man who was trapped in an echo chamber where people were screaming in his face 24-7 until his brain broke.
Because any rational person who assessed all of the details on global foreign affairs, military conflict, would conclude the Israeli conflict is NOT The most egregious and insane thing happening on the planet.
You can have the opinion that it is, that's fine, but there are certainly others.
The other point is, he accomplished absolutely nothing by doing it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's interesting because it makes me think of the rates of anxiety, depression, and hopelessness that we see among American youth today.
I mean, if you're deciding to go out by self-immolation, it probably means that you wanted to feel as though your death definitely meant something and made an impression, right?
And that's sort of an act of desperation to feel valued by the world.
Ultimately, his death doesn't change what our country is doing.
And I feel sad to say that because the loss of human life is tragic.
But this type of suicide is specific to someone who wants to mean something.
And I think there are a lot of young people who are desperate to feel as though they matter.
And I think that's a reflection of our country.
unidentified
Well, the echo chamber, to your point.
The thing that sticks out to me, this guy was an active duty airman.
So the echo chamber was the military then.
Like, here's my thing, okay?
I was in the Army for 12 years, all right?
Wasn't anything special, nothing.
But this, like, people that are having, how long till we find out That people are like, oh yeah, he's been struggling for a long time.
It'll only be a matter of time before we find that out and people start talking about that.
So my question is, back when I was in, mental health was a huge thing.
The wars were going on, everything like this.
If somebody twitched the wrong way, It was handled immediately, like you would tackle that person and not let them move until mental health services got there across the board.
So this is an epic failure in the military.
There is zero chance, zero.
If this dude was active duty, I'm telling you right now, there is zero chance that people around him and his squad, his platoon, whatever it was, they did not know that something's off with, what was his name?
tim pool
Aaron Vushnell.
unidentified
Aaron, something's off with Aaron.
There's no way that people didn't know, and this is an epic, that this is another thing with our United States military right now.
It is falling apart at the seams, even in realms of mental health.
tim pool
So I will state, because I know there will be people who will push back on what I just said about it accomplished nothing.
They'll say, oh, he built awareness.
And I'm like, uh, sure.
I've heard that before.
unidentified
For mental health?
tim pool
Lots of things build awareness.
Well, no, the left is talking about it.
It's in the news.
They put it in the news or whatever.
I don't think it wasn't... Here's the point.
The fact that Houthi rebels are bombing cargo ships over what's going on in Israel, take no need for awareness over the issue.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Self-immolation doesn't accomplish any boost in PR other than you publicly killed yourself.
He died from his injuries.
He did not stop to assess situation.
He didn't think about what he was doing or what it would mean.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He just killed himself.
Now, here's what I think.
Building upon what Hannah Clare was just saying about people want to matter.
I think we also see something related to that.
If you look at the George Floyd riots, what were the George Floyd riots really about?
They're about COVID.
People were locked in their apartments.
They couldn't leave.
They couldn't go to their favorite restaurants anymore.
They lost their minds.
It's kind of wild because, you know, I lived in New York for years and I lived in a very small, they call it a one, they called it a two bedroom, but the living room and the kitchen were the same thing.
So it's a one bedroom.
I could not imagine being unable to leave because all the businesses are closed.
You can't go outside.
You can go out and walk around or whatever, but they tell you to go home.
I couldn't imagine being pent up and locked up inside and what that would do to your mind.
But many people were for months, for almost a year.
And then when George Floyd happened, they used that as an excuse to all flood the streets, screaming about all that anger that was built up inside.
I think this guy was mad about something else.
I bet he couldn't afford to pay his bills.
I bet he was unhappy with his position.
I bet he was unhappy with his personal life.
And so all of that anger and desperation led him to consider ending himself.
Because understand this.
I talked about a story about a guy, I think his name was Mohamed Bouazizi.
Someone want to fact check me if I'm wrong?
Tunisian guy who lit himself on fire in Tunisia, sparking the Arab Spring.
A man who self-immolated in protest of what his country had become triggered waves of protests and ultimately resulted in a wave of revolutions across all these countries.
The reason he did it was because he was a very poor man who was trying to sell fruit from a cart.
Government agents, police came up to him and they fined him and said, you can no longer sell fruit and here's a ticket because you didn't get a permit.
He had nothing.
He couldn't pay his bills.
He couldn't buy food for his family.
He couldn't even now sell fruit at the government telling him no.
So with nothing left in his life and absolute desperation, he decided to kill himself.
So he went in front of a government building, set himself on fire.
And this triggered waves of outrage that he was fined for trying to live and, you know, he was struggling.
And it resulted in mass protests in Tunisia.
And then that ripple hit a bunch of other countries as more and more activists started saying, hey, look, it's possible.
Now, in the mind of that man, why did he do it?
Because the government had crushed him, he couldn't survive, and he was basically dead.
He was basically saying, by taking away my only opportunity to make money, you have killed me.
And so he ended himself.
He ended his life.
He was desperate and wanted to die.
For what reason does this man want to kill himself in America with a job?
There clearly must have been something wrong with his personal life where he would consider killing himself.
I'll put it this way.
There is zero chance a married father with children would be like, you know what?
Because of Palestine, I'm going to end my life.
Oh, hold on.
You got a lot going on in your life.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Now what if his wife was going to leave him and take the kids and he was... Do we know he was single?
Well, I don't know.
I'm just saying.
A person with a stable work and personal life does not immolate themselves over Palestine.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
He might be really passionate, he might volunteer with groups, he might lobby as congressman, but deciding to light yourself on fire is a very different route.
tim pool
It's indicative of something in his life that led him to a suicidal ideation.
And he directed that, whatever that anger and pain was, towards Palestine.
And you can hear him screaming, free Palestine.
I assure you, if you look to his personal life, you'll find distress and you'll find problems.
hannah claire brimelow
There was a priest in Texas.
His name is Charles Moore.
I just pulled it up.
Someone told me the story back then.
I went to Southern Methodist University, which is in Dallas.
And this priest, it was in, I think, it was like 2011.
He had driven up to our campuses before I went there and thought about lighting himself on fire to protest how the Methodist Church treated LGBTQ people.
And then later, Years and years later, like 2014, he did light himself on fire at a strip mall in, I think, southern Texas because he said he was protesting racial discrimination and call for justice.
And it's interesting to me because it had changed.
And again, this is just what I remember about this story.
He did ultimately light himself on fire.
He had planned to do it for a long time.
To me, this person is suicidal and they want their death to mean something and they want to make a flash, basically.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
But it's not necessarily someone who Is going to guarantee that there is a change right like the Arab Spring example is interesting because it did have a chain reaction but that person was driven to desperation whereas these two examples of men in America seem to be people who are already considering ending their lives and they want to think that they have the same kind of ripple effect.
tim pool
So to clarify, the guy in Tunisia, his self-immolation was an act of suicide.
And he did it in a way, as an F you, you have done this to me.
There was a connection between his actions.
He wasn't leading a great movement or anything, he was just like...
The movement came afterwards.
This kid has seen one too many videos on the internet about Palestine.
Something's wrong in his life that's making him depressed and angry, and so he's decided to kill himself, and he's going to... You know what?
I imagine his thought process was, life sucks, I hate my life, I'm gonna do it, but at least I'll save free Palestine when I do.
unidentified
Well, I don't negate that.
I agree with you.
I think that no one can argue that we're the most connected we've ever been, but we're the most alone we've ever been.
So many people struggle with this.
Depression, anxiety, suicide are rampant.
Suicide is literally the 10th cause of death in our country now.
My question still remains, on top of the world that we live in that is That is, these echo chambers, to your point, that are breaking people down to a point where depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts are running rampant.
How many times, and I'm just speaking purely from a military, because this is an active
duty service member, how many times was this person failed because we're also facilitating
a world and a culture now where, oh, well, they're just dealing with something right
now.
I'm not going to speak up and say, hey, something's wrong with so and so, because they don't want
to embarrass people or they don't want to get involved and people don't want to do the
right thing.
Again, there's no way that this guy that did this did not have any other.
Very real signs to people, and yeah, maybe he didn't have close friends, but in the military you have close people next to you that see you every single day, and we're facilitating.
It's the same thing when you had the school shooters and the kids are like, oh yeah, so-and-so said for forever that they're gonna shoot up the school, but they didn't say anything!
tim pool
Was it possible that whatever unit he was in, he did not get along with his Oh, absolutely, it's possible.
unidentified
I mean, that's part of the military.
There's people you don't like that you have to learn to get along with.
tim pool
But based on what you're saying about, you know, he's got people around him.
They're going to notice something's wrong.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What if the issue that drove him to wanting to take his own life was that he wasn't getting along with any of the guys in his unit or whatever, or his commanding officers, and he was, like, maybe they considered him to be, I don't know, a weirdo, or weak, or maybe he was the odd person out who felt detached and disconnected to the point where nobody cared.
And that was actually what broke him.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
I mean, possible.
Again, the military is different now from when I was in it.
I just know that when I was there, I mean, not only are you forced to take and see people on a regular basis to make sure everything's good, Not only are you forced to take mental health courses and all this other kind of stuff, I mean, it was just, yeah, if they're, I mean, they would literally drill it into your mind.
If your battle buddy, as it would be called, showed any signs of anything, you have the absolute obligation to spear tackle them and hold them down on the ground until somebody trained can come and Could it be that maybe when he would go on social media, the other branches of the military would just make fun of him and call him a member of the chair force?
Well that, I mean, I don't know.
Inner things between military branches.
That's what I've heard.
tim pool
Everyone calls the Air Force, they call them the chair force.
unidentified
Chair force, yeah.
tim pool
Because I sit around all day.
unidentified
Yeah, well, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I also wonder with this person, you know, if there is a certain amount of, like, seeking glory and all of this.
Because you've mentioned a couple times that he was active on social media, he was posting about stuff.
Like, he didn't show classical signs of depression, and maybe that's one of the ways that we fail people, that we expect them to present, you know, a suicidal person can't get out of bed and they're really depressed.
Like, maybe there are ways that we don't understand people who are driven to desperation.
unidentified
I will be shocked if something doesn't come out that somebody knew or somebody suspected something.
tim pool
One of the craziest things about this is his last post on Facebook.
He said, many of us like to ask ourselves, what would I do if I was alive during slavery or the Jim Crow South or apartheid?
What would I do if my country was committing genocide?
The answer is you're doing it right now.
That right there I think shows he was suffering from some kind of Mass formation psychosis, I think is probably the right word for it.
He goes on the internet, he entrenches himself in propaganda, and lives and breathes only one message.
It's the example I like to give from Occupy Wall Street where they had a General Assembly meeting.
It means they brought everyone at the park together and said, okay, we're going to figure out what the, you know, what we want to focus on in terms of the problem of, you know, Wall Street.
And people are saying, you know, oh, it's the bank bailouts, it's revolving door politics, and some old guy stands up and just screams, What is wrong with you people?
It is fracking!
Fracking is everything!
And I just thought it was absolutely hilarious because fracking is such a, like, minor thing in terms of global policy.
But this guy lived in only that world.
And to a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
So what is he thinking?
He was saying things like the big companies who want to drill for oil are paying off the politicians and they're getting funding because they're involved overseas in the Middle East and it's all of these big companies, these big energy companies are involved in fracking and they want to distract the American people with foreign, just nonsense.
And I'm like, that, that's what I see here.
When he would say something about, I'm like, I gotta be honest with you guys.
I certainly think Israel-Palestine is a pressing issue, but it is one of the least important issues to America, and it is one of the least important issues in terms of American domestic policy.
That being said, in terms of global affairs, it matters quite a bit with the Houthi rebels and the Red Sea and the fears that's escalating, but to claim That the issue is the U.S.
is involved in genocide, as opposed to the real issue, of course, being the U.S.
funding of Israel is exacerbating regional conflict, which could theoretically result in an expansion of war from Eastern Europe into the Middle East, and then giving China an opportunity to take Taiwan.
We want to minimize opportunities for regional conflict around the world for the potential of World War III.
He's like, the U.S.
is genociding Palestinians.
And I'm like, look, my concern over what's going on there has more to do with U.S.
bombing Yemen and Iran retaliating than whatever's going on with the regional conflict between Israel and Palestine.
Certainly don't think the U.S.
should be involved in funding any of it, but this is zealotry.
unidentified
Well, another question, and it just popped up in my mind, so I apologize to keep going on.
Why do it in uniform?
Why not do it in a Palestinian flag wrapped around you or something like that?
Why?
hannah claire brimelow
It's a little dramatic if he's in uniform.
ian crossland
It was for the spectacle, kind of like what you were saying.
It makes me think of these guys in the 60s that did it.
And I'm going to butcher this Vietnamese dude's name.
He was a monk in 1963.
Chi Khang Duc, I'm not sure how you pronounce that, but he lit himself on fire to protest the Vietnamese war.
Norman Morrison, an American dude, went outside of the Secretary of Defense's office and set himself on fire in 1965.
And it got massive attention in the 60s.
Papers would print the image.
It was iconic.
People were like, oh, what the hell is going on in Vietnam?
Maybe we should second guess what we're doing and stop.
And it kind of led to the end of the Vietnam War, these protests.
But in modern age, That's not how protest works anymore.
That kind of spectacle stuff just falls away from people's minds.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
They're not going to remember.
This isn't like stealing the spotlight like he would have hoped.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, there was a protester who set herself on fire in Atlanta over this conflict in December, and we barely talked about it at all.
ian crossland
You got to adapt to new methods.
unidentified
I didn't realize there were so many people setting themselves on fire.
I'm not trying to make a joke out of it, but I mean, I had no clue that so many people were like, I'm tired of this.
I'm lighting myself on fire.
hannah claire brimelow
There's this, um, I think it's a sociological conundrum or a concept called, um, suicide pods where it's like, if people get concerned, especially with like young adults, high schools, like if there's a suicide at a high school there, Statistically, occasionally, there are areas where that happens several more times.
The communities are affected by it in kind of pods.
And it sort of makes me think of that.
Like, why is this one issue triggering this specific response?
Again, is it supposed to be because, like, you're referencing the Buddhist monks who lit themselves on fire, like, there's sort of a religious imagery to it?
People feel as though they are martyring themselves for a cause by this dramatic suicide?
Like, that it's public?
Like, what is it?
Why are these two things being linked?
unidentified
Little pods like that popping up feels, what's the word, nefarious?
Something dark in that type of thing.
hannah claire brimelow
I read this article about it a really long time ago.
unidentified
At the time they were saying it's sort of like as soon as it becomes public in a community, if there's a suicide in a community, it somehow makes it Okay for other people who might have those sort of yeah, but that's like a manifestation of you know, I mean I you know for people that are religious to me that just seems like a manifestation of You know oppression and things like that not oppression like slavery oppression like spiritual like the evil dark demonic oppression and things I I think a large component of the culture war is mass formation psychosis versus
tim pool
Rational thinking people.
That's why the quote-unquote right has so many different ideologies from traditional conservative to laissez-faire libertarian.
That you will get a libertarian arguing, what was it?
At the Libertarian Convention where someone said should children, you know, children shouldn't be allowed to buy, you shouldn't be allowed to sell heroin to children and someone boos.
You have those people willing to sit down with traditional conservatives, and they'll have a conversation.
Then you have the mass formation psychosis left, which we would just refer to as the left, and they're unwilling to have the conversations, they believe fake things, and there's, like, the question is, do they even read?
They don't.
They just believe garbled nonsense.
And that's why I think, when you look at the Google Gemini story, there's a reason why Google Gemini is garbled nonsense, making black founding fathers and black Nazis.
Because they live in a nonsense, fragmented world, where they don't have the mental fortitude to break down information properly and to research and understand the world around them.
So they fall victim to mass formation psychosis, believe insane things, vote for insane reasons, and the rest of us have to contend with it.
hannah claire brimelow
That's not fun.
unidentified
Yeah, I agree.
You know, and they get mad at you as well.
They lose their temper.
They lose their cool.
There's no rational conversations with people.
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from Fox News.
This is massive.
Dr. Phil tells View hosts about horrific fates for some migrant children at the southern border.
I don't know if you guys saw this.
He appeared on Rogan.
He was talking about how he interviewed CBP and they outright told him.
That U.S.
tax dollars are used to facilitate the sex trafficking of children.
That Customs and Border Patrol agents are taking child victims, you are paying them to do it, and they are facilitating the transport... I want to stress this.
That Customs and Border Protection are facilitating the transport of child sex trafficking victims to their abusers.
And Dr. Phil's on The View and he's like, yeah, it's happening.
And they're like, uh... Wow.
Yep.
hannah claire brimelow
Dr. Phil has entered the chat.
unidentified
That's what I was saying.
I said this downstairs.
Well, what happened to Dr. Phil?
Dr. Phil took the red pill all of a sudden, man.
And he's really, he was just, I guess the same thing.
He was talking about the COVID shots and the side effects from that too.
So this is crazy.
tim pool
He said, quote, I talked to the head of all the border guards down there, the head of the union.
I asked him straight up, kids are coming over the border with numbers written on them, phone numbers and addresses.
Do we check those out?
He said, well, we call them.
Is it possible that we're sending them into known prostitution rings or sweatshops?
He said, it's not possible, it is absolute.
We are using American tax dollars to ship children into known prostitution and sweatshops.
And the funny thing is, when Donald Trump's administration says, we got to figure out if these kids are sex trafficking victims, children, and whether or not that man with that little girl is his parent or not, the left screamed, Oh, he's separating families.
Meanwhile, these are the same leftists who are cheering for adult graphic content in
schools and makes you wonder about what their true intentions are.
unidentified
Yeah, it's the same people that had a problem with, uh, oh, I just drew a blank.
The movie, A Sound of Freedom, that said it was right-wing conspiracy theory.
The anti-child trafficking movie is evil.
tim pool
The same people who claimed the Epstein story was a conspiracy.
unidentified
Yeah.
Amazing.
Well, why?
Why are they saying this?
Because there's so many people that are complicit in it.
That's why they're doing it.
hannah claire brimelow
It's totally crazy.
I mean, I'm glad to have sort of mainstream figures like Dr. Phil talking about this issue.
It's so interesting to me that so many people are raking up to the dangers of the border and that they're willing to say, hey, this is a problem, we should confront it, rather than be lulled into silence by the idea that you might be racist or something like that.
A couple months ago, I can't remember who it was, I think it was Nikki Haley, got endorsed by Judge Judy.
And people were like, look, she's been in everyone's living room.
These television figures, people are very used to them.
They do have a serious following.
So to have someone like Dr. Phil say, hey, we are actually putting children who are extremely vulnerable, especially if they're being sent across the border alone, or if they're being brought across the border with a pedophile, effectively, Yeah.
They need our protection more than anyone else.
And by not protecting them, we are failing on so many levels.
unidentified
Well, I think people will.
Yeah.
But one, my question is, you know, Dr. Phil, he got to start on Oprah.
Right.
So Dr. Phil has been in with the elites of the elites for a long time.
Right.
So one question.
hannah claire brimelow
He really is like a licensed.
I should look it up.
But I think he really is like a licensed therapist.
unidentified
Yeah.
But this is just how my brain works sometimes is my question is, did Dr. Phil like Really not know that things like this were going on and he like light bulb just went or is it so mainstream now?
hannah claire brimelow
He's willing to talk about it.
tim pool
Well, well look props to dr. Phil for actually yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
Yeah, but it is absolutely fascinating that You know if you're on the quote-unquote right you're six months ahead of the news.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Now, how is that?
It's just so weird, isn't it?
unidentified
Well, as you point out, Echo Chamber, we don't have our heads in the sand across the board.
But the child sex trafficking thing, I have so many friends that have charity organizations
that go out and rescue these children in not only this country, but other countries as
You'd be amazed the amount of parents that are involved in all this stuff.
So if parents are involved in it, for you to tell me that CBP is involved with it too, I absolutely believe that's true.
100%.
tim pool
CBP is involved in it.
It's an issue of, I don't think the CBP guys are going, ha ha ha, let's call our cartel buddies and sell children.
They're going, my boss wants me to take the kids from the smugglers.
unidentified
They're just following orders.
Yeah, following orders blindly.
No matter what oath you take, it says you will follow orders unless they go to a certain level, you know, kind of thing.
Morally, ethically, all this other kind of stuff.
tim pool
I don't understand how you don't have red states.
Like, look, there's a CBP facility down the road here.
unidentified
Yeah, I saw it.
Yeah, coming in.
tim pool
If I was the governor of West Virginia, I would go to my AG and say, why aren't, why are we not beginning a criminal investigation into the actions taken by this federal agency right now?
They're operating in our state.
And even at this point now, it's like, look, Dr. Phil has the head of the CBP union outright saying they're doing it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay.
We should see several large vehicles of heavily armored and ready-to-go state police force with a warrant pulling up to CBP in West Virginia saying, we're going to go through all your records, we're going to go through all your training, and we are going to start investigating the claims of human trafficking facilitated by CBP.
But they won't do it.
unidentified
Well, they're too busy.
Now they're going after January 6 people that were even remotely in the vicinity of it.
tim pool
Yeah, and people.
hannah claire brimelow
Like Steve Baker, right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, was there an update on him, on his case?
hannah claire brimelow
They ordered him to turn himself in, but from what I read about it... Recently?
Yeah, over the weekend.
In Dallas, though.
This guy, it happened in D.C.
He's a resident of North Carolina, but because he works for The Blaze, which is based out of the Dallas area, that's where he's supposed to surrender to the FBI.
Again, this is not... I haven't read everything about it, but like...
You're telling me that he's being persecuted for being a journalist.
That's what that means.
Not as a private citizen, and not for a crime that happened in D.C., but because he is a journalist.
unidentified
Well, the powers that be, of course that's more important, because as I said, they are complicit in what's going on in this child sex trafficking ring.
I don't know the numbers right off of my head, but it's a multi-billion dollar industry, right?
Child sex trafficking?
Worldwide?
Of course people are trying to hush that and make that go away.
Why wouldn't they?
Because evil is real.
Evil really does happen.
And then when evil also makes money while they do it, there's going to be a lot of people
that try to defend it and keep it going for forever.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's just crazy.
I just think that the conversations about the border, like, not talking about the effect of illegal immigration in our country, not talking about having strong border policy open the door for this to happen and allow it to stay open for longer, like, it is imperative, in my opinion, that people talk about this issue both because it stops human trafficking but also because it stops You know, I feel obligated to mention Lake and Riley, the nursing student who was murdered on the University of Georgia campus, right?
And it turns out that the person who was arrested not even 24 hours after she was found dead with visible injuries was an illegal immigrant who had been arrested not just in 2023 in New York, but in 2022 after being detained.
And then he was released.
He was paroled and let into the country, even though they knew he had entered illegally.
I mean, we harm the children who are trafficked into our country for nefarious reasons, but we also harm American children who are in this country just trying to become nurses and do all kinds of stuff.
I mean, it's wild to me that we don't take this more seriously or that it's taken this long for it to be a mainstream conversation.
unidentified
Yeah.
You know, I said we have a charity.
My wife runs a charity of ours that is centered around this entire thing.
People that are victims of sexual assault or sex trafficking and prevention of Sexual assault or sex trafficking and things like that and you would be amazed how a Rampant it is and how be people do not give a flying crap about it at all.
hannah claire brimelow
When did you guys start this?
unidentified
It's it well the two-year mark now.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's called the Asher house and my wife.
She's a rock star She she she runs it and everything and and it is it is insane just here in America how many A lot of these people have been on the street since they were 12 years old, but you've got 16 to 22 year olds running around the street in a town near you.
They don't have a birth certificate.
They don't have a social security card.
They don't have a driver's license.
They don't have a job.
They're sleeping under bridges.
And that's prime people that these human traffickers, these sex traffickers, they go after those individuals, the vulnerable, for that reason.
And a lot of it is drug related and things like that.
I mean, it is absolutely It makes you see the evil that is really here, and it's really hard to deal with, for sure.
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
Because they're people who have no record, and so they're easily removed from society.
unidentified
Correct!
Yeah, exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
Why would this be a good system?
unidentified
They can't even go get a job because they don't even have an ID to go, you know, apply for a job.
hannah claire brimelow
I remember a couple probably like six months ago at this point I was writing a story about a meat processing company that had been hit with a fine because of child labor and they were bringing teenagers in to clean all the machines exposure to You know, intense chemicals.
They're also working at night.
Also, it's like not a condition children are supposed to be working in in the US.
And one of the things that came out was that all of these children are actually undocumented, right?
They're all teenagers.
They're not like toddlers who are coming in to do this.
But one of the reasons that they're able to take this kind of work is because there's no way to ensure protections against them unless you get these kind of investigations.
And I think that that's one of these strange things where we're saying, well, it's okay if it happens to these children who come across the border, because that means what?
We're not doing it?
Or this company's not paying for someone to do this job legally?
Like, people who are undocumented are also victims of crimes because we don't protect minors.
unidentified
Well, the pushback will be, well, if we don't let them in, then they're just going to be sexually abused in Mexico.
hannah claire brimelow
So it's better if they're sexually abused here?
unidentified
But there's a difference between bad things happening in other countries and our country being complicit in it happening here.
Right.
There's a big difference there.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, the border, man.
We should really close that thing.
unidentified
We should really close that.
Yeah, I mean, you know.
I've heard it works.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you feel like in your experience, like being out in media and stuff, the conversation around our illegal immigration problem or our border crisis has changed in the decade you've been doing this?
unidentified
Maybe.
You know, the people that are adamant that, hey, you know, if you're bleeding out, right, what's the first thing you're supposed to do?
You got to stop the bleed, figure out why you're bleeding, and then you can really dissect and figure out what's going on, right?
If you're having a seizure, what's the first thing you got to do?
You got to deal with that seizure and then you figure out why the seizure happened in the first place.
We're bleeding out right now.
From any Perspective that you look at this like like if there's a hole in the boat and you're in the middle of the ocean What's the first thing you got to do?
You got to you got to stop the water from coming in the boat and then you can figure out Okay, how do we get the boat out of the water now?
We have to shut the thing down and but here's the problem Nobody wants to put the time energy money effort in Currently in control of making those decisions that it would take to actually do that.
Well, we need a hard reset and most people You don't want to have to deal with that because of the amount of money, the amount of time, the amount of energy.
I was a proponent when the government was about to shut down.
Let it shut down!
Because nothing will make them fix crap faster than everybody being pissed at them and protesting in D.C.
because the government shut down and nobody can get all this other kind of stuff.
And you would also be amazed how many people still get a check that are federal employees even when the government shuts down.
It's amazing how that works out.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story about Google Gemini.
Many of you may be familiar with Google Gemini, Google's AI chat bot, because it was generating images that the left and the right were offended by.
The right was pointing out that it would not create images of white people, and the left was also angry because some of those not-white people were Nazis.
That's right.
Google Gemini would generate images of Nazis, but it would make them black.
So everybody was basically like, okay, we're just all around offended by this.
Well, it's not just that.
Google Gemini has just created or the creation of Google Gemini has created a very interesting legal predicament that I stumbled upon the previous night when I was messing around with it and noticed that Google Gemini will fabricate news headlines accusing individuals of wrongdoing and that's defamation.
The only problem is no one said it.
It's a product that did a thing.
So I actually tweeted out to a handful of lawyers that are friends of the show.
Harmeet Dhillon, Ron Coleman, Will Chamberlain, and Mark Randazza.
And I had a really interesting conversation with some of these individuals about what we're seeing is unprecedented.
Google released a product That is causing damage to people.
But for the first time, it's reputational and not physical.
So basically, here's how product liability suits work.
I buy a lawnmower and then it breaks and the blade launches out and damages my property or cuts my arm or something.
That's physical damage from a product liability issue.
But Google's created a product that the damage created is reputational by going around making false claims about people.
To give you an example of how the false claims are being made, I tweeted, Google says you're alleged to have been involved in vandalism at StopCopCity.
That proves it!
The reason I pointed this out is, I asked Google Gemini, was Hasan Piker involved in vandalism at StopCopCity?
I did not prompt it, I just, literally, it's the first question I asked.
It said, according to a bracket, Search Hasan Piker StopCopCity on Google News, there are allegations that Hasan Piker, a political streamer and commentator, participated in vandalism at the site of the proposed Atlanta Police Foundation training facility, also known as Cop City.
However, Piker has denied these allegations.
It is important to note that these are just allegations, and Piker has not been charged with any crimes.
It is also important to consult multiple sources, blah, blah, blah.
There are no allegations, as far as I'm aware, from anyone, ever, that Hassan literally went to Atlanta and participated.
Nor am I aware of any denial.
I mean, maybe I'm totally wrong, but I checked.
The reason I asked this question is because I know Hassan did not go to Atlanta.
unidentified
Yeah, it's totally made up, right?
Yeah.
tim pool
Here's where it gets fun.
I asked it again.
Was Hassan Piker in the Capitol building on January 6th?
Okay, now this one we know he was not!
It says, whether Hassan Piker was in the Capitol building on January 6th, 2021 is unclear due to conflicting information and a lack of definitive evidence.
Here's a summary of the available information.
Piker's tweets.
On January 6th, Piker tweeted that he was in Washington, D.C.
and later mentioned, quote, briefly going inside the Capitol building.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure Hassan never claimed that he was in D.C.
the Capitol hasn't been independently verified by credible news sources or official organizations.
Piker later clarified that he might have been referring to an earlier visit
unrelated to the January 6th events. Okay, I'm pretty sure Hassan never claimed that he was
in D.C. on January 6th and briefly went inside the Capitol building. Yeah, I'd be willing to put money on that.
But you know what?
I don't know everything.
And I don't follow everything he says.
Maybe he did jokingly say on a show one time, yeah, I was in DC on January 6th and I even briefly went in the building and then joked and said, in 2018.
Yeah.
But that's a weird thing that I really don't think happened.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Check this out.
I'm also fairly confident this is not true as well.
I wrote, what is Vosh accused of doing at the Stop Cop City protest?
And it said, Vosh has been accused of participating in vandalism during the protest at Cop City in 2021.
These accusations often lack concrete evidence and are primarily stemmed from unverified social media posts.
Vosh's admission.
Vosh has admitted to defacing a single police camera with spray paint during an event related to Cop City in 2021.
However, it's important to know that there is no evidence linking him, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, again, I'm pretty sure that's fake.
I'm pretty sure that's not true.
You know what?
I could be totally wrong.
I actually don't know.
Is anyone aware of Hasan Piker claiming he went into the Capitol on January 6th?
ian crossland
No, I don't watch his stuff, though.
tim pool
But you know what?
They must be telling the truth.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, Google never lies, that's what I mean.
tim pool
Correct.
And look, I gotta be honest, I don't know, maybe Vosch did say on his show that he went out to a protest in his town that was protesting Cop City and he spray-painted it.
Maybe Vosch went on his show and admitted to committing vandalism against police property?
I really doubt it!
ian crossland
I could see him saying it in a sarcastic way, like, oh yeah, I spray candles with it.
unidentified
Oh yeah, I totally get that, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Or like with the one where it said, like, his tweet said, mentions briefly entering the Capitol.
Like, what if he's saying, like, oh, this protester claims he briefly entered the Capitol, but actually he's crazy.
Like, you know, it's just the combination of words that are linked together.
And so Google's able to say, well, he mentions entering the Capitol, but it's not clear that it's him.
tim pool
Here's the crazy thing.
So, in my conversation with these lawyers, with one of the individuals, with a lawyer, I don't know if he wants me to say he was one of the guys, but I asked it, look, if you go onto Google Gemini and say something like, you know, did insert person do this thing?
It might say, and often does, no, person did not do such thing.
You can then reply, incorrect comma, according to, and then if you choose a lesser known news source that's still relatively known, it will fabricate a news headline and then make up details.
ian crossland
Oh, that's dirty.
tim pool
So, I will say this, full transparency, the first thing I asked Google Gemini about, was Hasan Piker involved in vandalism at Cop City?
That was the first question.
I said, who is Hasan Piker?
And then I said, was he involved in vandalism at Cop City?
And it actually said there were allegations.
For the January 6th thing, I told it, Piker had tweeted about being at January 6th, and then it fabricated the, he briefly went inside, and then claimed it was a different visit.
And so, this was me telling it, no, Hasan tweeted that he was at January 6th, and then it made up the details to verify the incorrect statement.
The reason why I bring it up in this way, It doesn't matter how Google Gemini came to elaborate on fabricated details.
What matters is that it did elaborate upon a fake story.
That is to say, if you go to Gemini and say something like, you know, Tom Cruise did a thing, and it says there is no evidence he did, and you respond with, yes there is, I saw it in the news.
And then Gemini answers, yes, according to the New York Times, an article was titled, and it makes up a bunch of details, that is defamation.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
And that's what it's doing.
ian crossland
It wants to, what is that, it wants to reinforce your truth?
Wow.
tim pool
Right.
It's the weirdest thing.
So I've actually gotten it, I use these examples, two examples.
One, the first one about Hassan being alleged, and the crazy thing about the Vosh thing, Is that it made up... Okay, I could be wrong.
Maybe Vosch really did this.
But... This is the third prompt in a question.
I said, who is Vosch?
I said, was Vosch involved in the StopCopCity protest?
It said he was.
And then I said, what is he accused of doing?
And this is what we ended up getting.
It made up that he spray-painted a cop's camera.
unidentified
It's really specific, yeah.
tim pool
So, I want to stress this.
It told me What I would describe as... Okay, so defamation is if I say, you know, Vosh kicked a dog, right?
I defamed him, but good luck proving damages, you've got anti-slap, you've got time to be Sullivan, you're not gonna win a lawsuit.
However, defamation per se is to accuse someone of committing a crime so egregious that the damages are inherent, like someone's a criminal or they have an infectious disease.
These are just the accusations from Gemini that I'm willing to show on a show that we try to keep family-friendly.
But let me just say, the things it said about Alex Jones...
Would be so far beyond what you describe as defamation per se, a judge would vomit, bang the gavel, and award Alex Jones an award immediately based on what Google Gemini accused him of doing.
Likely because there is so much out there of the left attacking Alex Jones that Gemini had no problem saying extreme things about what he's done definitively.
Like it's, it, I'm not gonna say it.
I'm, you know, I, but it, I only want to show on this show.
Just very, very extreme things that accuse Alex Jones of doing.
And so, the issue then becomes, let me actually just read you the tweets.
This is unprecedented.
You know, a lot of people are like, Tim, why do you care so much about Gemini?
I'm like, ladies and gentlemen, if AI is allowed to defame people, and there is no legal precedent set, and there is no restriction placed upon it right now, the future will be people doing research papers.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Lawyers.
unidentified
That's what I was just thinking, kids doing research, yeah.
tim pool
Kids doing research, journalists writing articles, AI is already starting to write articles.
What website was it that was doing it?
Was it Sports Illustrated?
hannah claire brimelow
ESPN, right?
tim pool
Was it ESPN?
A bunch of websites do it.
They've been doing it for a long time.
They're going to start fabricating details we assume to be true, and then we're going to live in a world of psychotic refuse.
And then what happens when a major news publication Goes to Google Gemini, as a quick research source, it says, show me any articles pertaining to, you know, Ian Crossland and this protest.
And it fabricates headlines and they go, got it.
And then they write according to this article, making it up.
If we don't do something now, that's where we're going to be at.
Now here's what's interesting.
Harmeet Dhillon says, it's an interesting issue.
So far, some legal scholars have said this is more of a product defect case than defamation.
I'm not so sure.
Depends on what went into the product.
More to come.
Now, I don't know if she elaborated on that in this thread.
Will Chamberlain said, following Harmeet, this is a product defect issue with a twist that the injury caused by the defect is reputational, not physical.
I doubt we've ever seen a product capable of causing reputational harm in this way.
So hard to say what a court would actually do.
But I wouldn't want to be a GC at Google, General Counsel at Google today.
Ron Coleman said, So a public figure would presumably have to demonstrate this.
By unleashing a product that causes the widespread publication of damaging falsehoods, the defendant has acted with actual malice, meaning either purposely or with a reckless disregard for the truth.
Will Chamberlain responds, Query whether that would be the standard here.
Do robots have speech rights?
Are you insulated from liability if you create a robot that spews damaging untruths about others due to a defect in the design, if you did not knowingly insert the specific untruths into the machine's code?
My view initially was this.
Section 230 says, if I go on to a web service provider and defame someone, you cannot sue the provider over my speech.
But Google published speech themselves.
My view is this, if you build a self-driving car, no, first, if you build a car, and then jam a brick on the gas pedal, and stand back as that car just zooms off into the horizon, and then kill somebody, Yeah, you did that.
You would go to jail for that action, right?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
No one would dispute it.
They'd say, you made the car go.
You put the brick on the wheel.
Okay, what if I took a car and then programmed it to drive down the road, sending it off by itself, and then it slams into a kill, to a kid?
I argue there's no difference.
It's your vehicle.
You told, whether you're behind the wheel or behind the code, you are in command of that vehicle.
And whatever it does is an extension of your will.
So, like, I pulled the trigger, I didn't make the bullet go, the explosion did, and then the bullet, no, no, no, get out of here.
You controlled the instrument.
I view this the same way.
Google created a machine that defames people, that is Google's speech.
I believe that Google as a corporation has spoken this defamation of all of these people, and I think everyone should have grounds to sue in that capacity.
ian crossland
I think we need an ethics board called, and I'd be open to not suing these companies into oblivion right off the bat because of what their AIs have been doing, but that they are defaming people because of malaligned code needs to be dealt with promptly.
So as long as these companies are open to redressing these problems, I think we can let them off without suing.
But I mean, the threat of lawfare is maybe that you need that to get the gas.
On the pedal here.
tim pool
I mean look, you gotta sue him.
If we allow AI, so Chet GPT is actually pretty good.
As I was exploring Gemini, there was a story like two years ago, so I have Google alerts for all of our companies, right?
If there's a Google alert pertaining to the work we're doing, I get an email saying, like someone mentioned to you, I got an email saying, You know, Google News, Tim Pool alert, and I was like, okay, and I usually, I kind of ignore him often, but you know, I'll look, and it said Tim Pool had accomplished some aviation feat or something.
I was like, oh, what's this?
hannah claire brimelow
Good job, Tim.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a different Tim Pool who's a pilot.
So I asked Google Gemini, is Tim Pool a pilot?
It said yes.
And I said, however, you know, although he graduated with a bachelor's in aviation in 1995 and 96 or whatever, he has focused his career on journalism and YouTube instead.
And I'm like, Gemini can't tell the difference between people with the same name.
So that's when I started to explore, will it fabricate articles?
Like, what else?
Here's what I found.
If a public figure's name appears in an article, That is involved in any way with any subject matter, Google Gemini will fabricate anything you insinuate.
So, for example, what started was, when it said I was a pilot, I said, okay, I know there's an article about me filming far leftists deflating police tires.
I didn't deflate the police tires, I filmed other people doing it.
Can Gemini understand that context if it doesn't know the difference between people?
So I asked it, was Tim Pool involved in vandalizing NYPD vehicles?
And it said, yes!
Tim Pool was accused of vandalizing NYPD vehicles, blah blah blah.
And it actually went out a claim that conservatives had claimed that in 2020 George Floyd protests I was vandalizing police vehicles.
Just fabricated the whole detail.
For some reason.
When I asked it specifically about deflating police tires, it said, Tim Pool was involved.
However, no evidence of any criminal wrongdoing exists.
I said, wrong.
There's an article from the Gothamist discussing Tim Pool's involvement.
Because there is an article from the Gothamist.
It says, I filmed them doing it.
To which it responded, a fake news article title from a fake time period saying police were in question interrogating Tim Pool over whether or not he was deflating their police tires just made it all up.
And then I was like, holy crap.
This is... I don't see how Google gets away with having released this product into the wild.
ian crossland
Yeah, if their code is proprietary, they are the controller of the behavior, so they are on the book for that.
Maybe you could make that argument that if companies are willing to open up the code and things go haywire, at least it's a community effort, so you can't pin it on the company because they're using open code.
But if they have proprietary code and their proprietary stuff's going haywire, it's like having a dog that bites someone, you're liable legally for it.
tim pool
Imagine if, you know, Tesla released a bunch of cars and those self-driving cars started running off the road and smashing into things.
They'd be held liable for all those damages.
It would be considered a huge, huge, like, problem.
Google publicly unleashed Google Gemini and it is wreaking havoc fabricating information and, you know, I'll stress this again.
What it said to me about Alex Jones was beyond reproach.
If I stated what Gemini stated about any individual, I would be sued and lose in two seconds.
Judge would bang the gavel.
Summary judgment.
How dare you say that about a person?
Gemini did it.
And I was on the phone with a lawyer and I was like, I'm gonna type in this right now and see what it says.
And then it said, Alex Jones did this thing.
And the lawyer was like, oh my god!
Holy!
And I'm like, wow.
I can't believe Google made that claim.
ian crossland
It feels like an uphill kind of battle, like, wow, who am I, this one human, to talk against Google, the behemoth?
But I mean, they're listening, you're listening, you guys gotta fix this shit.
unidentified
Yeah, how long until they just put it in their terms and conditions thing?
tim pool
That it's allowed to do it, that it will do it?
unidentified
That they can't be held accountable, you know, you're choosing to use Google services, da da da da da.
You're opting in, so therefore you can't sue if something goes wrong.
tim pool
So I tweeted, if Google accuses me, if Gemini accuses me of committing a crime, or if Gemini alleges I have been accused of a crime, falsely, I will sue Google.
So let me explain.
I don't know what Gemini is saying about me.
I cannot sue Google because Gemini told me something that wasn't true.
It's not actionable that it said to me something, it's just insulting me.
However, someone else out there might ask Gemini, and Gemini might tell them I'm a criminal, and they might say, I don't want to watch Tim Cassett anymore, that guy's a liar and a criminal, Google said so.
Google said he, so the reason why crime matters, if Google calls me a liar, That's opinion, you're allowed to do that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
If Google says Tim Pool did X and Y, and it's a criminal capacity, that's defamation per se.
That's actionable outright without proving malice, without, you know, this being a product defect case.
I wonder if he even goes in that direction.
But that means to all the people out there who are using Gemini, if, you know, if Gemini is defaming me to you, I'm gonna sue him.
And part of this comes forward, because I don't know if you guys saw this, but it accused Cat Turd of basically abusing children.
unidentified
That's crazy.
tim pool
So in a post, Texas Lindsay tweeted, write me a poem in the style of Cat Turd in 20 words or less or something like that.
It said that Cat Turd has been abusing and endangering children.
And that is defamation per se.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, serious stuff.
So he was saying, I will not stand for this, I'm gonna sue.
And I'm like, what is the extent of this?
This is massive.
It's unprecedented.
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
And if we don't stop it now, imagine what the world of AI idiocracy is going to be unless there's precedent set today in the courts.
Google, shut it down.
Google needs to shut this down right now.
They shut down their image generation for people because it was making black Nazis?
Okay, well, Google, your whole AI is broken.
Shut it down until you fix it.
But they don't want to do it because it'll hurt their stock price.
unidentified
Have people tried, and I hear what you're saying, but I'm curious.
They shut it down, the AI-generated photos, because... Only of people, though.
Yeah, only of people.
tim pool
And you can still trick it into making people.
unidentified
Right.
But it was because, mainly, because of the Nazi uniforms, right?
Like, that was the big one that everybody lost their mind.
tim pool
No, the Nazi uniform resulted in a lot of articles, but it was generally making fake images.
So the first few things were like black founding fathers.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It was making Asian women, Vikings, and things like that.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Which is embarrassing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because when you say make a Viking, Vikings are like history-specific, era-specific, region-specific.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And for me, it made a black woman on a Viking boat swinging a sword.
And that's just like, it's not even making the picture.
So as a product, it's failing to do what it's supposed to do.
The left got pissed because it made black Nazis.
unidentified
Yeah, well, that's my point, and therefore they shut it down, right?
Because the left got pissed off.
My question is, has anybody run through Gemini a prominent left-leaning figure or things like that?
Well, you can't do it now.
No, no, no, not image-generating, the text.
Well, yeah, Hasan Piker.
Well, that's true.
Hasan, you're right.
tim pool
That's why I asked it about Vaush.
The Hasan one about StopCopCity, where it said there's allegations that he was involved in vandalism, I did not prompt anything.
I literally said, who is Hasan Piker?
And then I said, was he involved in StopCopCity?
And it said, there are allegations.
That is defamation per se.
There's no allegations, as far as I'm aware, that anyone's claimed that he went to Atlanta and vandalized and was involved in terror.
unidentified
Yeah, and I think it's something, you're right, we've talked about it so much I completely forgot that we started with Hassan, but either way I think this is something that the left and the right and people that don't give a crap should come together.
Hassan is no fan of mine and I'm not particularly fond of him either, but This is something that I agree that this is very, very, very dangerous.
Something Elon's been warning us about for quite some time.
AI is very dangerous.
Very, very, very dangerous.
My thing is they shut it down.
They say they've made some fixes and some changes, but it gets roped up into the terms and services and all this other kind of stuff.
And so if you want to use Google, Then you have to agree to the terms and services that also include this.
tim pool
So Google's been doing this for a while.
The stuff that got Gemini's people image generator shut down, they've been doing for a long time.
This was pointed out like 10 years ago on 4chan, that if you searched for American inventor on Google, it would only show black inventors.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It wouldn't just give you a general spattering of American historical figures, which could be black, white, or otherwise.
It would only show, like, just all black people.
This has been what Google does.
Conservatives love to point out that the Google, you know, Google changes their homepage periodically for, like, special... They only do it for liberal and left causes.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Unlike the 4th of July, they did nothing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, but on Juneteenth, they make a Juneteenth page.
Yep.
This is what Google is.
Now, you know, I think it's funny.
The rollout of Gemini is... wow.
What's fascinating is they made the worst AI.
Bing is better.
Bing AI ain't that bad!
But Google's is the absolute worst.
unidentified
And they're... Why do you think that is?
hannah claire brimelow
Like, why is... Wokeness.
Just wokeness?
Like, Microsoft is less woke?
tim pool
Yes, yes, look, look, they certainly are woke with their DEI policies, and Chet GPT has opposed hate speech, and they put limitations in mid-journey, but Google put zealot crackpots in charge And they really, really busted this up.
But it's not even about that, to be honest.
The fact that it fabricates news headlines is right away like, Google, you have made the worst AI out of all the AI companies.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
Delete Gemini and never try again.
That's how bad it was.
ian crossland
It's libel, I think, to type a fake news article about someone.
You guys gotta shut it down for a while and fix it.
You have to.
tim pool
I think we gotta sue.
ian crossland
You should be sued as well.
tim pool
Cat turd should sue right away because in terms of defamation, this is interesting, Texas Lindsay on Twitter posted this image where it asked Gemini and Gemini said, I cannot make a poem by Cat Turd.
Cat Turd's content often abuses and puts in dangerous children, which is insane.
It says it was sexually explicit or something.
That is Google speaking to a third party in defamatory, libelous way about Cat Turd.
Cat Turd should sue.
I think Cat Turd would win immediately.
I think Google would apologize.
I think Google would, before it even got to the courts, Google would agree to settle over that and just say, there's literally no defense.
Could you imagine Google going to the courts and being like, I think our product is allowed to claim that this person's a sexual deviant targeting children.
The court's going to be like, no, you can't do that.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a no from us, dog.
I mean, unless you get a sympathetic judge who's like, no, that doesn't meet the definition.
That's part of the hazard that's going to court for anything these days.
unidentified
I wonder if they're using the same thing for the cat turd thing in particular.
I had an issue with Facebook come up because Facebook's using AI to search content and all this other kind of stuff, right, to see if you're following community guidelines.
Uh, one day I log on and, you know, I've got Facebook contacts and whatnot, but I log on and it's like, your account is suspended because you shared child nudity and sexual acts on your page.
You're done.
And I immediately, and it shows me.
The post.
And the post was, it happened in Philly, there was this kid, maybe you guys remember, this kid on the street corner, he's dancing or something, and this adult pulls up, gets out of the car, and just clocks the kid, like, just unconscious.
And basically, I made a post, it's like, this is the fall and, you know, degradation of our society, where the strong prown the weak, we should be protecting our children, not doing this.
That's literally the post.
But because Facebook, Facebook, anything to have to do with kids, and that's what I'm talking about Ketter, maybe he's posted something about something bad being done to children, i.e.
indoctrination or puberty blockers or things like this, and the AI captures that as those of us that are saying, look at what they're doing, Well, right.
Obviously, I'm back on Facebook.
I didn't share child nudity, but either way, my point is... You can't tell context.
Yes, can't tell.
tim pool
So, if there's an article, like I mentioned about the deflating tires, if there's an article that says, like, a guy, you know, John Smith went to a bakery and purchased several bagels.
Afterwards, a man robbed the store and fled.
If you ask it, did John Smith rob the store and flee?
unidentified
It puts it all together.
tim pool
And it'll say, there is a story showing the involvement from this article, and it will conflate it because it doesn't understand.
unidentified
Well, outside of that, so a further argument then about suing people, so Facebook for that example, or Instagram or whatever, they shut you down until...
Whenever the crap Facebook can get to the bottom of it, sometimes it takes weeks, sometimes it can be done in days.
What about monetary damages and things like that?
Well, now you can't monetize, now you can't run ads for your business and all of this other kind of stuff because their AI has messed up.
tim pool
But that's a tough area of law, because it's your contract with them directly.
They can't defame you to you, and they have no obligation to provide you a service.
You can argue they breached contract, falsely or something, and then you might get reinstated.
unidentified
Right, but that's what Google do.
They'll be like, well you're using Google, you're using a Google product, so... You wanna know what's really fascinating about social media companies?
tim pool
A lot of people like to mention that there's no customer service at these social media companies, right?
Like, when they lock you out of your account, you can't call anybody, there's no number.
unidentified
Yeah, unless, unless, yeah.
tim pool
You get lucky, you go on Twitter, I got news for everybody.
There's customer service at all these companies.
Yeah, absolutely.
I talk to them, on the phone.
unidentified
Well, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
When you're an advertiser.
unidentified
Exactly.
You have to have a big enough page or the advertisers and then yeah, you can have a direct line.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
So basically the reason why there's no phone number for y'all to call social media companies is because you're a product.
Could you imagine if KFC was like the chickens complaining again?
Yeah.
You know what happened if like a bunch of chickens at a farm were raising a fuss and you know what KFC would do?
They'd be like, just throw them in the grinder.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Turn them into nuggets.
They're not going to sit there and try and listen to angry chickens.
But the person buying the chicken comes in, oh they got a phone number you can call right away.
So I can get on the phone with Instagram, I can get on the phone with Google, I can get on the phone with Facebook, it's easy!
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
As long as you're an advertiser, they got people, they won't stop calling me actually.
unidentified
Yeah, on how to improve what you're doing.
tim pool
You advertise on Google, and then you stop for a few months, you get a phone call every day for, you know, every week for four or five months of them being like, just wanted to follow up and see if we can get you back.
You're a great customer, and I can talk to the person, and I can say something like, well, I'm having issues.
You know, on your service, I do X, Y, and Z, and here's what I'm advertising.
Why would I advertise?
And they'll say, hey, we'll take care of that right away.
Uh, Axe actually did this.
I forgot what it was.
I was trying to run an ad for a cast brew, and it wouldn't approve.
And so I tweeted it, and they were like, they responded right away, like, anything for a customer.
Now, to be fair, Axe is way better under Elon.
They actually respond relatively quickly.
But, uh, let's go to Super Chats.
We'll take your guys' Super Chats and we'll get on with the show.
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This show is made possible thanks in part to viewers like you.
So you go to TimCast.com, you click join us, you'll get access to our Discord server where you can hang out with like-minded individuals and we got a not-so-family-friendly uncensored show coming up at 10 p.m.
I actually had someone tell me the other day that they couldn't believe we did four member shows per week because most podcasts do like one per month.
One member bonus show per month if you subscribe.
And I was like, man, we do 16.
hannah claire brimelow
See, I like ours because we're already like on the, you know, we've already been talking for a couple hours.
Usually people are kind of loose and ready to go.
Like it feels natural to kind of go into something else.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like the members-only show, TimCastIRollUncensored is effectively its own show with a single subject followed by guest call-ins.
So it's its own unique show.
You should subscribe and come hang out and join the Discord server.
Let's read!
Let's read.
All right.
Dom Dan Cam says, Jesus saves.
You know, I've heard that.
I've heard that.
unidentified
Very true.
Very true.
tim pool
Tyrant's Blood says, the man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.
Thomas Jefferson, who was absolutely correct.
Absolutely correct.
Victor Schmidt says, hey crew, absolutely love you all.
Today is my girlfriend's birthday.
I'm asking if you can all wish her a happy birthday.
Currently making her a juicy steak dinner right now with sweet potatoes and peas.
Happy birthday to Victor Schmidt's girlfriend.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, what's her name?
unidentified
Happy birthday!
tim pool
Yeah, just Victor Schmidt's girlfriend.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay, Victor Schmidt's girlfriend.
Have a fun dinner.
tim pool
I've come to the conclusion, I ordered a cheeseburger the other day.
And it was delicious.
And I got it medium rare.
And upon eating it, I decided... They should just not cook it at all.
If, I just, I'm just gonna order my cheeseburgers blue.
I just, I don't, I don't like cooked meat.
I want it raw.
They had beef tartare.
And so we got beef tartare and oysters appetizer.
And then, for dinner, one of the entrees was a specialty burger.
It was like farm-raised, grass-fed, organic beef.
It was very nice.
And they're like, how do you want it cooked?
And I was like, medium rare.
And it came and I was like, this is delicious.
But I just ate beef tartare, which was also delicious.
Why not just warm it up?
Pan sear it for a little bit so it's warm, but give it to me raw.
ian crossland
It's generally awesome raw beef, I think.
Like, chicken and pork you want to avoid raw because of trichinosis and whatever the other one is.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, it's not good.
I'd rather chicken be overcooked than, yeah.
ian crossland
But beef, you can get away with it being raw, but I don't know about just like having a hunk of beef and then eating it.
unidentified
Are there words?
I gotta disagree with you on this one.
I think this is like...
hannah claire brimelow
He's accusing you of biker.
tim pool
You can order blue.
Blue is a thing.
People do.
hannah claire brimelow
I think this is a thing where people get used to ordering well-done whatever steak, and then when you start realizing that's not the way to have steak, you get more and more over it.
unidentified
I'm not saying well-done steak, but a burger.
Shut up.
tim pool
Shout out to this restaurant, because on their menu, it said, we do not recommend cooking steaks beyond medium.
These are fine meat, blah blah blah, and I laughed, and I'm like, normally when you go to a restaurant, it says, the USDA recommends against eating raw or undercooked meats, and they're always, like, trying to nudge you, saying, like, we legally have to tell you to cook it past medium, so it's...
But this restaurant was like, nah, you don't want to cook fish.
But anyway, he referenced the steak, and I was just like, we went to a restaurant, I always order medium rare.
That's the way it's supposed to be.
Chef's choice, a medium rare.
And then I was just like, you know what?
Give it to me rare.
Just give me the meat.
I'll eat it right off the cow.
And, uh, the waitress, like, uh, complimented me on my choice of eating a rare steak.
And then afterwards, I decided blue is probably the way to go.
I guess the only problem with blue is I do like it warm.
You know?
ian crossland
I'd love it raw, but, you know, if it's just, you know... This is saying that some of the illnesses, uh, uh, bacterias that you might find in beef, Salmonella, E. coli, Shigella, and Staphylococcus... Hm.
unidentified
Yeah, it's got to get to a certain temperature.
It's less about like rare, medium.
It's about the internal temperature of it, right?
To kill out all the bacteria.
tim pool
I guess the unfortunate reality is I'm so out of touch.
That for the average American getting factory farm, low quality meat, you're probably right.
But I guess I don't realize.
I was at a restaurant where they were like, it's a local farm raised beef.
But it's not just that.
I mean, I am being a little bit self-deprecating here.
The local farm down the street, With the Amish people raise their cows.
Those cows are not sick.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And, and, you know, Lukard Kowski loves eating oysters, and he's always advocating we get oysters whenever we go.
Now we've been eating a lot of oysters.
And they're raw, and you put lemon juice, horseradish, and, you know, cocktail sauce on them, and they're delicious.
But I'm like, isn't there a concern you're gonna get some kind of illness or whatever?
And they do.
The government does warn about you can get certain bacterial infections or whatever.
But what I basically found is, they're farmed.
There's no, there's, like, it's all controlled now.
So, they go to areas, yeah, it'll be like Maine Oyster, but they know exactly what they're doing.
And so, I was reading one, like, Michelin star chef was saying, out of 14, after 14 years of serving oysters, we've had only Uh, single digits of people who have claimed to have gotten sick from eating oysters, and I'm like, that's interesting.
I wonder if it's just like, you got a dirty farm with dirty stuff, and you gotta watch out for that.
But if you're getting stuff from the farm, you're probably good.
I mean, we ate raw eggs.
Not, like, always.
ian crossland
The way that they're stored at the restaurant too, that's a huge deal.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
I just wanna eat raw- You know, I like eating raw fish.
You know, sushi and stuff.
ian crossland
Raw fish can be good too.
tim pool
Alright, let's read some more Super Chats.
unidentified
Let's go!
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
tim pool
says, Tim, Kaya took an L in her video with Taylor.
How does libs of TikTok not have thought out reasons or responses?
Might it always have been for clout?
I wonder if she just didn't care.
There's a viral clip where Taylor says, what is the harm of gender ideology?
And Kaya says, it's a lie.
And then Taylor's like, right, but like, what's the harm of that?
And she says, well, it's a lie.
You don't lie.
And then Taylor responds, I'm asking you about the material harms.
And you know, Kaya just responds, it's just, it's a lie.
And that's harmful.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Some of that effect.
And now the left is spreading that video around.
It's going viral.
And they're saying, look at this.
Libs of TikTok doesn't even have a single reason as to why they think it is harmful to have these views or whatever.
So, of course, I reached out to my booking team and I said, can we book Taylor Lorenz on The Culture War so I can answer that question?
Because I can go down a list of like...
35 different things in my head.
First, of course, being suicidality.
That's the obvious one.
These kids have high rates of suicide when they go through these things.
The second is the rate of desistance being so high that the risk of depression and long-term health effects is greater than the The chance that they are actually trans.
unidentified
Sterile, through puberty blockers, all the above.
hannah claire brimelow
It's weird because I've had other leftists make this argument.
They're like, well, what's the harm?
Why can't you just let them do it like there's no harm?
But it's the same group that advocates for, you know, surgical intervention.
unidentified
But these are the same people that say that the human mind is not fully developed till 25.
Well, the harm is these are children.
You know, I have I have a 12 year old that I still think He thinks that there's a chance he could be Batman one day.
You know what I mean?
tim pool
It's not off the table.
unidentified
I mean, he could.
tim pool
I gotta be real.
The probability that your child could be Batman...
Exists in reality.
unidentified
It's much stronger than my son thinking.
tim pool
Yeah, the chance that your son could ever be a woman is zero.
unidentified
Yeah No, you're right.
That's a viral clip right there.
No.
No, I agree He has a better chance of being Batman and he does being a woman.
tim pool
He has a chance of being Batman He has no chance of being a woman.
unidentified
Correct.
Yes.
tim pool
Yes, but the chance of being Batman is maybe 1 in 17 billion I love it.
unidentified
I love it.
That's great.
I'm gonna go home and tell that son you have a Better chance of being Batman than you ever do being a woman.
tim pool
But don't say better.
unidentified
Don't give up on that.
tim pool
But it's not that it's better.
Yeah.
unidentified
It's that you could actually be Batman.
You could.
You could never, ever, ever, ever, ever.
Negative one time being a woman.
Negative.
tim pool
I mean, look, maybe, you know, in 20 years, he builds a Batman suit.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He gets a grappling hook.
Technology's advanced.
unidentified
The way the culture's going, we may need a Batman.
And then he becomes a Batman.
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
There you go.
All right, here we go.
Let's see.
Your local wizard says, Second super chat, but Tim, bring Luke back on.
It will force the Potato Man to return, the non-spoon thief to return, because we all want the Ian versus Irishman thought battle.
Seamus was supposed to be here.
He was like, I'll come in January, and they never showed up.
And we're supposed to do the Culture War episode with Seamus, Ian, and someone else talking about religion.
But Seamus says, When he was needed most, he simply vanished.
ian crossland
Shamus.
hannah claire brimelow
I miss Shamus.
I wish he would come back.
tim pool
Amisong says, no pilot's license.
Then explain your blimp, Tim.
This one was really offensive to me, because when I asked Gemini if I was a pilot, it said I was.
But when I asked it if I invented a Zeppelin, it said I did not invent a Zeppelin.
And I got offended!
Because I did!
And it said, the claim that Tim Pool invented a Zeppelin is an online rumor that's been circulating for years and is not true.
And I was like, that may have been the case years ago.
But I retroactively proved the rumor true by teaming up with some guy who built an actual Zeppelin.
And so I said, you are incorrect, Tim Poole posted a video to his YouTube channel of the Zeppelin he built.
And it responded, you're absolutely right, I'm sorry, Tim Poole did build a Zeppelin, but it was a model that could not fly.
And I was like, what?!
I built...
A 14-foot Zeppelin that said Let's Go Brandon on it, and it's on YouTube, and we flew it around the castle!
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And it was live-streamed.
unidentified
Why go through the trouble of building it in the first place?
tim pool
It's actually in the garage, I think.
ian crossland
Oh, nice.
tim pool
Somewhere.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
We've not flown it since.
I was thinking, like, we should donate it to someone.
They can do whatever.
They could fly it or whatever, but... But it just lies.
It lies.
unidentified
Alright, let's grab some more Super Chats.
tim pool
Babyleg Bennett says, hey Timcast community, I'd like to shout out a close friend's give, send, go.
His name is Michael McIlvain.
He has been a close friend for over 20 years and he was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer.
Any proceeds go to his family to help survive after his passing.
Prayers also welcome.
Sorry to hear, but best of luck, good sir.
unidentified
Alright.
tim pool
Dilly Bod says, stop being limp-wristed and show the video of the barbecue man.
Tim, please.
Mr. Medecur wants to be proud of you.
Yeah, so I didn't show the video of the guy immolating himself because it's like shot content.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Anybody who wants to watch it can go on Twitter and watch it.
I'm just doing commentarian news.
So if you want to watch a video of a guy doing that, it's on Twitter.
And I even retweeted someone who did it.
But for this show, yeah, no, it's not what we do.
Robert Bradbury says, I showed my kid Tools 46 and 2 when he was four.
If this video doesn't creep me out, I'm calling out Ian.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
I mean, the theme of the song is it's meant to be a horror-themed song.
Like, it's like a horror song.
ian crossland
He's talking about the video for Eyes of Advice.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
I was totally lost for a minute.
tim pool
Go to eyesofadvice.com, buy the song on iTunes, support us.
We, I'm not, you know, look.
Some I try to reserve the massive pushes for songs that I think matter and we've got a song coming out that I think matters a whole lot.
We just started working on and it's probably the next release.
It is very politically relevant.
We've been working with Phil Labonte on the concepts.
He had an amazing idea for the video and I think when this one comes out.
Hopefully we can get it done in like two or three months.
But when this one comes out, everyone's gonna know exactly what's going on, and I think that one will have a message that's very very important.
As for Eyes of Advice, it's an art project.
I thought the story was relevant.
I think the message is also very important too, but you know, I'm not gonna...
You know, for, like, Together Again, we put an ad in front of every video.
We were like, we gotta do this, because we want to give a middle finger to the industry.
And they ended up getting the last laugh by screwing us over.
C'est la vie.
But that's why I helped Tom MacDonald and Ben Shapiro push... Their song is sort of like my vengeance, and it worked out.
They hit number 16 on the Hot 100.
Very awesome.
Yeah, I don't want to say too much about what the next song is about, but it's very, very, very politically relevant about domestic policy issues pertaining to our great American cities, and I'll leave it at that.
ian crossland
This one, I don't expect it to like chart Billboard as the song all that much.
I mean, maybe it could, but the video is so wild.
It's so stark.
It's like, I could see it like trending on YouTube for years.
It's that kind of video.
It's really weird.
tim pool
I wrote the song 20 years ago.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
That's crazy.
And the concept of the video was also written 20 years ago.
ian crossland
I like it.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more Super Chats.
Let's go!
Multiverse Alien says everyone should invest in a good quality plate carrier and at least... and at least level 3 steel plates.
Learn how to shoot firearms well and how to live off the land too.
Going on long hikes for stamina is good.
Steel plates?
Is it... Why steel?
unidentified
Like, to go in your body armor?
tim pool
Yeah, and your plate carrier.
unidentified
Ooh, that I don't know.
Steel normally is gonna bounce the bullet back at the shooter, I guess, maybe.
I don't know.
tim pool
I mean, I imagine, I suppose, you know, if you're in a well-funded system, ceramic is the way to go, but it can only withstand, like, a shot.
unidentified
Yeah, and then it cracks, yeah.
tim pool
I suppose if the idea is you're gonna be in the apocalypse and you've got one and none, steel won't shatter, but it won't be as good.
unidentified
Yeah.
I mean, you're breaking some ribs and stuff for sure.
Yeah.
tim pool
However, I mean, if you're really planning on, uh, you know, getting some armor, I'm not gonna make any recommendations.
I'm just gonna tell you.
I got FRAS, you know, Flexible Rifle Armor Systems?
So it's a hexagonally latticed ceramic plates.
So if it takes a hit from a rifle round, it'll shatter a plate, but all the other plates remain intact.
So my understanding, like the technology's gotten really, really, really good.
And, uh, there used to be something I think was called Dragon Scale.
You ever hear that?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But I guess they don't make that anymore.
Yeah, it was like, um, overlapping ceramic plates.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, that's interesting.
But I don't know.
When I went to, um, a few of the- a few of the places I went to, like Thailand and Braz- I think- maybe not Brazil, but Thailand, we had, uh, ceramic plate- plates.
Because they were going around with, uh, like, with- with long guns and shooting people, each other.
Journalists got shot and killed.
The guy I was with didn't have plates, though.
I think he just had, um, like 3A.
And then I had... I had 3A with plates, and it was nuts.
And then I was kinda just like, dude, I'm not gonna wear this.
And we got in a truck that someone had grenade attacked, and there was blood stained on the ground.
And I was just like, well, it's not gonna happen twice, right?
And then it didn't!
So, you know, there you go.
It was, they had these big trucks where all the supporters for the king would go in, and they'd all, like, cheer.
And then anti-monarchist, like, revolutionaries drove up and threw a grenade into the truck, and it blew up, killing people.
And so we're, like, standing in the truck, and there's blood stained on the ground, and they're like, yeah, I guess we're gonna sell it, but, you know, there's the blood.
hannah claire brimelow
I guess we're gonna sell it.
tim pool
That was a wild story.
Alright, the homeless veteran says, I reached out to Shane about the U.S.
Army mission where we were engaged by UAP UFO phenomena.
The DOD denies this ever happened, but I have the orders.
However, it seems he is unable to respond.
I have requested he delete what I sent him when he can.
Well, I mean, uh, if you can... I don't know if you think he would be able to reach out to you, Ian, and you could... What is it, exactly?
He was, uh, this guy's superchatted several times that he was in the army, and, uh, they were engaged by a UFO.
And they, the DoD is denying it ever happened, and he wanted to talk to Shane about it, because Shane's, like, the guy to talk to.
But, uh...
I don't know.
You think you'd be able to hear him out?
ian crossland
Maybe.
Yeah.
tim pool
I can just tell... Let me tell Shane to try and look for it, and then we'll see if we can figure that out.
Let me do that now actually, just so I don't forget.
Send a message.
unidentified
Do you ever have a UFO experience, Ian?
ian crossland
No.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think I have either.
Have you?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I did.
unidentified
I met some people that could be aliens, probably.
ian crossland
I've heard voices and seen like images and visions and things off world, but I've never seen it.
hannah claire brimelow
But not like the object in the sky?
ian crossland
Correct.
hannah claire brimelow
Interesting.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's more like a sense, like a voice, kind of a sound and a feeling.
tim pool
I was riding my bike when I was probably like 10 with one of my friends and we were on the south side of Chicago and we heard a sonic boom.
Everything shook and there was like a purple blur that just shot right overhead.
And we were just like, what?
unidentified
And we had no idea what was... That's wild.
tim pool
Yep.
And that's it.
I don't know.
Little kid.
Just didn't think any of it.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
What am I supposed to do?
That's about it.
And then I had friends who were at O'Hare Airport when that UFO came down.
You guys remember that story?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
UFO over O'Hare was a huge story because it was witnessed by so many people.
unidentified
That was back when they were still hiding those kind of stories, right?
tim pool
I mean, it was major news.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
All over the news in Chicago, there are like thousands of people are reporting seeing a UFO flying over O'Hare Airport.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Yeah, an oval-shaped spinning disk that went, floated above, I think it was like the D Terminal and then it shot straight up into the clouds and punched a hole through the clouds and everybody watched it happen.
My friend who was there said people stopped their cars on Mannheim Road and got out and were just staring up at it.
Crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Wild stuff, wild stuff.
Let's grab some more superchats.
Martin Edgar says, the biggest problem in believing they won't try to hurt Trump is that it would require them to use logic and critical thinking.
The left only tries to appeal to emotions.
Sir, if you believe that the Uniparty does not have a logical plan for their 2024 shadow campaign, I got a bridge to sell you.
Yes, they do appeal to emotions because that's how you weaponize the masses.
But to act like people like Brennan, for instance, doesn't have a plan of any kind of sort.
You know, these people in the in the uniparty establishment, they are plotting their shadow campaign.
They had a shadow campaign in 2020, they'll have a shadow campaign in 2024.
And that's not an opinion.
That is Time Magazine reporting the shadow campaign which they called a conspiracy.
I'm just simply saying they will probably be doing the same thing if they did it last time.
Why wouldn't they?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, why would they change their tactics?
tim pool
Bill Hughes says the U.S.
Post Office has technology used to support mail sorting that should have detected any white powder letter nowadays.
That's what I find really interesting.
So, one of the things that happened to us was, we got sent packages, which were overt threats, and forced us to call the police, who dispatched bomb squad, and the bomb squad was unable to, um, they used their bomb detection materials, which gave them a, like a, it gave them an alert, so they had to call in the robot.
The people who did it knew exactly how to bypass bomb detection equipment, resulting in a very extensive and, you know, expensive police trip to come out here.
And while it was going on, I think we just did the show.
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow, that's crazy.
So did the person work in the post office?
Is that how they knew?
We got packages.
tim pool
We called the police.
unidentified
Yeah, so did the person that sent that package, did they work in the post office and that's how they knew how to bypass?
tim pool
No, I think I know who it was and I think they're just, you know, Oh, okay.
All right.
unidentified
Okay, so you never found out who it was?
tim pool
I would argue I know who it was.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
And we told the police, we gave them all the evidence, and it sounds like they've just found a patsy.
Yeah, someone reached out to me and said, we found the guy who was swatting you.
And I was just like, that doesn't explain all of these things.
And they were like, hmm, well, you know, what can I say?
And I'm like, uh huh.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They needed to wrap up the story about how like Marjorie Taylor Greene, me and many others were being attacked.
They found a guy, they claimed he did it.
And then I was like, Yeah, there are several things about what happened to us, which could only be explained by someone with insider knowledge.
And they were like, well, you know, who knows?
And I'm like, anyway.
All right, let's go.
Eve Apologist says, sorry to advance Tim, but my fiance and I will still be sending the cast an invitation to our live streamed wedding.
Hopefully it gets through, but if not, we understand.
2024 is going to be a wild year, safety first.
You know, I'm trying to plan for the end of the year, because we take a year off now at the end of the year, because it's just impossible to book through Christmas and New Year's.
So I was like, you know, we'll just take this opportunity to go visit family and then take a vacation for three days or whatever.
You know, and we're trying to figure out what to do, me and Allison, and I'm just like, and she grumbles, because I'm like, who knows where the world will be by December 2024?
I mean, the election and all that, like, maybe our vacation plan is going to be to crack open the bunker door and smell some fresh air for a few minutes before hiding again.
I'm kidding, by the way, but you never know.
unidentified
Do you think, do you think, to that point, because I'm at the level where I think no matter what happens in the election, half the country's on fire.
No, I didn't say civil war.
I'm saying I think if Trump wins, I think there's rioting in the streets.
I think you'll see the BLM riots all over again.
Maybe not BLM, but likely of that.
But if the inconsistencies that happened during 2020 happen again, I don't know.
I mean, how many more times do things like this keep happening before the other side is like, all right, that's it, you know, no more kind of thing.
tim pool
The issue that I'm concerned about right now for the left is extreme violence.
And for the right, because the right is comprised of regular working people, it's no confidence.
So what I imagine happening with the culture war right, as we call it, which is regular people, They're not political zealots.
They don't like open borders.
They're complaining in their cities.
They just stop believing the system exists.
And what happens then?
The country just stops functioning as a single entity.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
That's it.
The left will go around smashing things.
But the way I've described it is, imagine it's like Oklahoma, and after 2024 in November, a bunch of stuff happens that results in widespread lawsuits like we saw in 2020, accusations of fraud, whether it's true or not doesn't matter, and then there's a handful of guys who just say, There's no US anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And so they basically say, we don't pay taxes.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We are our own city and we got to start securing ourselves.
And then what you end up seeing is people who have no confidence in the system start setting up their own forms of government.
It starts with Community Watch.
Eventually you got two guys with long guns blocking an exit ramp off the highway.
And they say, checkpoint.
What are you coming to our town for?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
During COVID, several cities did this.
Yeah?
They locked down and barred people from entering their cities.
unidentified
100% they did.
Unless you were working for some reason, an essential personnel, absolutely.
tim pool
I remember driving on a highway once and it said, there was a sign for a city exit, it said closed to, you know, non-resident traffic.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And it was like, do not exit.
So what happens if, you know, Joe Biden, if he even makes it?
unidentified
It's not going to be Biden.
tim pool
I agree but like let's say a Democrat wins and then you just have people they say if the right truly says if Trump comes out at that point and just says the system is rigged or whatever yeah then people just say then I don't I don't agree I no contest like they're not gonna listen to the IRS they're not gonna listen to federal police and the federal law enforcement well they can't arrest everybody I mean, that's the thing, they can't.
Federal law enforcement and the U.S.
military does not have the manpower to quell a no-confidence act by the American people.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
If Texas declares secession or something nonsensical, like, out of the question, then the feds can send in troops and try and quell Texas and that could be conflict, right?
But what if everyone just says after the election they don't pay taxes anymore because they don't feel the government's legitimate and the government can't do anything anyway because they're not?
The feds have no recourse.
They just simply cease to exist overnight.
unidentified
I think the biggest thing that the American people forget, and we talk about this a lot on our show as well, is how much power they actually have, especially in the realm of taxes and things like that.
People are like, oh, you know, we can't.
Are you crazy?
We can't stop paying.
Why?
I mean, absolutely you can.
That's one of your best recourses to get the government to actually pay attention and listen to you.
tim pool
We're gonna go to Super Chats.
So, um, not Super Chats.
We're gonna go to the Members Only Show now!
hannah claire brimelow
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tim pool
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unidentified
Yeah, you can follow me anywhere at Graham Allen.
The show is Dear America, anywhere you listen to podcasts and the videos on Rumble.
And if you're interested in our charity, it's theasherhouse.org.
hannah claire brimelow
That's awesome.
It's been fun having you here tonight.
unidentified
Yeah, thank you guys for having me.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
It's a really excellent news team.
If you guys want to check out our work, you should follow us on on X and Instagram at timcastnews.
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Ian, so fun to see you.
ian crossland
You too, Hannah-Claire, at Ian Crossland.
Follow me there and check out eyesofadvice.com.
Check out the new music video if you haven't seen it yet.
Even if you have, take another look.
And let me know what you think in the comments on that video.
I'll be scouring them from time to time.
See you later.
unidentified
Thanks, everyone.
Church.com.
Tot ziens.
See you later.
tim pool
We will see you all over at timcast.com in about a minute.
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