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Dec. 23, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - TRUMP WINS, SCOTUS Rejects Prosecutor Request Pushing Trial AFTER 2024 w/James O'Keefe
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hannah claire brimelow
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ian crossland
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james okeefe
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tim pool
Donald Trump has secured a victory in the Supreme Court simply by the Supreme Court
saying no to special counsel Jack Smith.
Trump's trying to argue that he's got immunity.
This would delay the trial for Donald Trump at the federal level until after the election.
So Jack Smith is desperately trying to force through this criminal trial, bypassing the appeals process, but it didn't work.
Supreme Court said, hold your horses there, buddy, ain't gonna happen, which means massive victory for Trump, at least in one of his cases.
It's not going to go to trial until after the election already happens.
And this is federal, so it should be really interesting to see what happens, because Trump will probably just pardon himself.
Should be very interesting.
And then we've got some big breaking news.
The border crisis is getting crazy.
More and more people are coming out with huge stories pertaining to the documentation that these illegal immigrants are being given, the finances, the resources.
We're hearing they're being flown on planes, and we've got James O'Keefe here to join us with some big breaking news.
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The first week of our release for the new song, Together Again, is over.
We ended the week with 8.7 million plays.
Suck on that, far-left crybabies.
They're all screaming, and everybody's like, Tim, oh, your music sucks.
I'm like, bro, I'm chillin'.
You don't have to like my music.
I'm not saying everybody does.
unidentified
Okay?
tim pool
But this one is... I think it's fair to say The Daily Wire really helped out with this.
It's why it's probably done better than the other songs.
Michael Knowles, Jeremy Boring.
This is originally written by them.
We made a modern version of it.
Sales are looking good.
This looks to be the biggest release we've done so far.
However, the difference with the other songs, we released those in the rock genre.
Probably easier to chart on Billboard than that.
So we'll see what happens.
This is pop.
I'm not.
I don't know how well we'll end up doing, but thank you to everybody.
Look, we've got like five or six songs we released.
We're hoping next year we're going to have a lot more.
Everyone's saying you need more bands.
Totally get it.
We right now have like just Carter Banks, one guy who's working on all this music, and so we certainly have a lot more to do, but it means we're going to be expanding as we're moving into the new space.
We're going to have a bigger opportunity, and we're talking with a few artists.
We're talking with some major, major bands about working with us and We're working out what that deal would look like because we're not doing things traditionally, but a lot of big cultural moves are happening.
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And I gotta tell you, we may be about to sign a great artist to Trash House Records.
I'm very excited for this announcement, which is a little preliminary, but ladies and gentlemen, the great artist, James O'Keefe, may be, may be joining the ranks.
james okeefe
Not maybe, definitely.
tim pool
So, actually, James came in early so we could discuss music production because, I mean, a lot of people have seen the work you've already done already with music and theater and all that, but we're going to ramp it up.
james okeefe
I can't wait.
I've got so many good ideas.
You know, I was the lead in Oklahoma.
I'm a DJ.
I just haven't had a lot of time.
But, Tim, I look forward to coming back and making some music.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And we're going to do some great videos, music videos and all that stuff.
But, James, you're here.
You've got some big breaking news, I believe, for us tonight.
james okeefe
Yeah, as I was sitting here right before your show, Tim, a lot to cover tonight and thank you for having me again.
This is a story after AmFest.
We went to the airport and various flight attendants, pilots, Ticket counter people pulled me aside, recognized me, said, you got to do something James.
They're inundating, buses are dropping people off.
So I ran up to the bus, I got a little video, we'll talk about that in a minute, of the driver of this black car, black car, limousine, dropping off migrants.
And then I obtained today this, I just broke this a moment ago on my x-page, if you want to pull it up.
These are new, these are tickets they're giving out to migrants.
You can look at it, it says quote, Please help me print my boarding pass.
I am a refugee and I do not speak the language.
Thank you.
These were given to me from inside the airlines industry by some of the folks working there, and they're just flying people around.
The government claims it's vetting these individuals for putting them on planes, but our reporting contradicts that.
What we found is the agents responsible for vetting the identification of these individuals are relying solely on their word.
Now, you and I couldn't travel without an ID, and we have to take off our shoes, so what's remarkable about this is that, Tim, I've said this to you in Phoenix, I've been doing this for 20 years.
I have never seen so many pissed off people inside the airlines, mostly pilots, by the way.
They are pissed.
tim pool
So, I'm really interested in getting into the driver of these cars, like, what's going on with this, and now this breaking story, so we'll definitely get into that.
James, thanks for hanging out.
We got Hannah Clare hanging out as well.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for SCNR.com, also known as Scanner News.
I'm so happy to be here talking about immigration, one of my favorite topics.
Ian's here too.
ian crossland
James, you absolute animal.
Welcome to the house.
james okeefe
Great to be here.
ian crossland
Thanks for ringing out 2023 with us, man.
I love you, dude.
It is so much better when you're here.
I'm looking forward to making killer music with you next year.
james okeefe
I love your energy, man.
I love it.
ian crossland
Let's get fried in the best way.
Maybe that's not the right word.
Let's get hot.
Let's make some- I mean, I swear to God, dude, we're gonna change the world with sound.
It's yelling and crapping and complaining, it gets you a little- it gets you partway, but you wanna solve the system.
I mean, we're gonna do it.
tim pool
It's like, you know, you're gonna save the world with rock music, I guess.
Is that the plan?
ian crossland
I guess it is.
tim pool
Alright, we got Surge pressin' the buttons.
unidentified
Yeah, I love seeing y'all hyped about stuff.
It's great.
ian crossland
I've got a guitar in my hand, thanks.
unidentified
Yeah, definitely.
Anyways, let's get to the show, guys.
tim pool
Before we jump to the crazy immigration stuff, which I think will dominate most of the conversation, we do have this story which is important for coming into next year.
At cnr.com, SCOTUS denies Jack Smith's request to fast-track judgment on Trump's immunity claims.
The order jeopardizes a special counsel's proposed March 4th start date.
This is basically it.
Donald Trump's victory in a single, very short sentence.
The petition for writ of certiorari before judgment is denied.
There you go.
What this means is Donald Trump is appealing, he's arguing that he is immune as president, and I believe the arguments presented by legal scholars sound.
That a president does a lot of things.
If you think the president has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, treason, sedition, whatever it might be, you impeach them, convict them, and then criminally charge them.
The reason why we don't criminally charge sitting presidents is that they are the chief enforcer of law as the head of the executive branch.
That means that we first have to remove them from the position of law enforcement before we criminally charge them.
I think it makes total sense.
Right now what we're seeing is it looks like this case, the federal level, is not going to happen until after the election because of this.
And what that likely means is Trump will pardon himself.
hannah claire brimelow
That would be the best move of all time.
I would love it.
I think that would be so funny.
Realistically, I feel like we're going to jump through some more legal hurdles before we get there, but it would make the Democrats crazy if we got to the point where Trump pardoned himself.
ian crossland
Was he going to be like, pardon me?
And then it'll be like, well, all right, he said it.
tim pool
That actually does seem like something Donald Trump would do.
He'd stand up and he'd smirk and he'd go, pardon me!
ian crossland
Can you do that?
Can a president pardon himself legally?
hannah claire brimelow
No, he would just put it on truth social.
I am pardoned and that's it.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Maybe just say, pardon me.
That's a good one.
I'm not asking, I'm telling.
I'm pardoning these signs.
I think 2024 is going to be just balls to the wall crazy.
unidentified
Wow.
james okeefe
I think all bets are off.
It's impossible to predict.
Fasten your seatbelts.
tim pool
We were talking with Eric Prince earlier this morning, founder of Blackwater.
And, you know, that's one of the questions I had, you know, with his experience in a conflict crisis and, you know, foreign war and all that stuff.
For all the criticisms, I think his insight still matters.
What would it be like?
Is the potential there?
Do you see the signs?
And he was just saying that... He basically said, gradually then suddenly, that with a lot of the countries they've seen in crisis, even during Katrina in the United States, it is overnight.
Your utilities are gone.
One of the scariest things, I think people don't realize, and what he said was when his guys got to New Orleans during Katrina, when they arrived, there were dead bodies.
All over the place.
Killed by looters.
And I said, I don't know if looter is the right word.
Bandit?
Barbarian?
You know, when people take all of our... We talked about high trust society, they take it for granted.
When the President of the United States, his authority, his position is questioned and challenged, that is someone taking a hammer and a chisel and striking it into the stone foundation of this country, in this way particularly, and if confidence in the system shatters, Gradually, as we're seeing, and then suddenly, overnight, electricity's off.
Food's not at your store anymore.
Internet's not working.
You don't know what's going on.
In a circumstance like that, the last place I'd want to be is, like, New York, Chicago, or L.A.
I wouldn't mind just being on the mountain in West Virginia with some chickens.
ian crossland
And from what I've been told, if that kind of thing were to happen, and it was a utility and island situation, you got about three weeks that you're gonna need to survive on your own, and then things will probably come back.
But in those three weeks, if you're not prepared... Not if it's a civil war.
Not if it turns into something like that, but if it's like a grid-down situation and it's like you've got a lot of death in the first two weeks, people that aren't prepared at all.
But if you're one of those prepared people and you're able to like hold out, you should be okay.
james okeefe
Have you guys heard of a book called One Second After?
Have you ever read this book?
It's about an electromagnetic pulse and what happens to civilization.
It all breaks down within a few hours.
When there's no electricity, just what happens?
And it basically devolves into Lord of the Flies, into just anarchy.
And after a few days, people start breaking out into tribes.
Yep.
It's crazy.
You gotta read that book.
hannah claire brimelow
I think you see early signs of that right now, though, right?
We see communities at odds with each other every day.
I mean, I just saw the sort of day where Charlie Sheen, the actor, his neighbor, like, broke into his house and tried to strangle him.
Like, people are at odds with one another every single day.
There might be other circumstances there, but I think it's fair to say that trust has Degraded enough to affect quality of life as we know it right now.
tim pool
Just think about how crazy it was like in the 1800s where you're some dude who has a farm and you could be in a feud with a guy like 50 miles away and then he'd just go over there kill him and then go back and then nobody would know.
I mean, this was... You never do anything about it.
hannah claire brimelow
What's the prequel to... Is it 1889?
The, like, Yellowstone prequel?
They have this whole thing where it's like, well, we want that land for our sheep to graze on, okay?
Well, we'll come and murder you.
Like, they have shootouts all the time.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
It's not as far back as we think it is.
tim pool
Right.
In that one, it's like, they were close enough to the city to where there were questions about the feud and everything, but back in the day, some guy would jump out of the forest, stab you, take your stuff, and there ain't no way anyone's gonna figure out it happened.
ian crossland
I was gonna tweet out, but I didn't do it because it's kind of ridiculous.
How many people do you think have died?
I'm just talking about of all time, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, there's a number.
You can Google it.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
ian crossland
But like you said, you can't track it because some people just, they disappear.
tim pool
That's not true.
We have 109 billion people have lived and died over the course of 192,000 years.
It's an estimate, obviously, but it's just simply tracking population size and growth.
And we know about population sizes through historical records.
ian crossland
Except for Tartaria.
tim pool
Right, that was another hundred billion.
ian crossland
Well, I think this is the year of doing your best and maintaining friendships.
It's going to be so important to be tight with who you're tight with and stay tight.
tim pool
You know, we're having this discussion with Michael Malice because he got that bet with Roseanne.
james okeefe
What's the bet?
tim pool
Roseanne said there won't be an election.
Michael Malice said, I will bet you $1,000 there will be, and she said, deal.
She also bet there would be military tribunals at the end of this year, that Trump would be arresting people, and he laughed, and he bet, and I'm like, Roseanne, that's not going to happen.
Now, the question about election is, what do you mean by no election?
I think we all agree she meant it would, like, chaos, the election wouldn't happen.
And who was, was it Colonel McGregor?
No, it wasn't.
Who was it who said that we're not going to make it to 2024's election?
ian crossland
You might be right about that.
tim pool
I'm not sure.
ian crossland
It was on a podcast.
tim pool
It was on PBD, I think.
And I actually think there's a strong case for that.
And we joke with Michael Malice that he doesn't owe Roseanne any money because just because Trump's been removed from the ballot doesn't mean there won't be an election.
And Michael was arguing that if it's Nikki Haley versus Joe Biden, it's still an election.
And I'm like, fair point.
Agreed.
But I'm starting to feel like If it does, I'm saying if, it escalates, based on everything we're seeing, by May or June, the dam could snap.
I mean, they're talking about putting the city, the former president, I almost said sitting, the former president in prison and 74 million voters, more votes than any sitting president.
This is not gonna, this is not gonna, it's not gonna work.
I mean, people are just gonna go insane.
January 6th already happened.
They can make any argument they want about, yeah, but the government will stop them or whatever.
I'm like, dude, what, what, what Eric Prince was talking about this morning.
You gotta understand that, he said, even police in Louisiana are looting.
And we talked about this, I said there was a movie and the audience, the chat, pointed out World War Z. Brad Pitt's character goes into the store to get medicine for his daughter, he sees a cop run in and he's like, oh crap.
And the cop just looks at him and starts grabbing stuff and then runs.
Cops are people.
So if it breaks down to this point, it's not just going to be the military being like, we are going to stop all of this.
Yo, there were cops, active duty, and there were active duty military on January 6th in the Capitol.
It's not like everybody in the army is just like a bunch of liberals.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's not like everybody that's wearing a cop uniform is going to be a cop either.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly!
ian crossland
I got one of those Baofeng CB radios, those little $20, you know, handheld shortwave radios, and a little solar panel, got some solar panels.
I mean, if grid down, we need to maintain communication.
That's primary, number one.
I don't know exactly the rules and restrictions of that, because they'll be like, stay off of these channels, you can't go on these channels.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the thing is if we were to go grid down this is the time that you would want to know your neighbors and know who's going to be in the houses next door to you because there's one thing to say like yes we should all flee to the woods but realistically if you live in suburbia if you live in a city you're not going to be able to get out fast enough if the grid goes down.
You have to know the people around you and that's really the big crime of American culture today which is that we are more isolated than ever and we are low trust so we are unlikely to reach out to the people next door to us and therefore we are surrounding ourselves with strangers.
ian crossland
Why do you think people feel low trust?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, this is something they've documented over time, right?
We are not a community-based people.
We are not as involved in community service.
We don't attend church as much.
And so I think it's just sort of a cultural shift.
Some of it, I would argue, has to do with values, right?
You can say we all have the same values, but unless you live and breathe the values, we don't really know what they are.
And I think, also, we are a more divided society politically.
And so we are taught to look at everyone who doesn't vote the same way we do as the other.
And that's an unrealistic way to live.
tim pool
Trust is everything.
Trust is confidence.
A government only exists based on trust.
I'm not saying trust as in, if Ian tells me he'll pay me back, I trust he will.
That's a component.
But trust is also, I know that if I break the law, I can trust in government to punish me.
Or someone else.
I know that if someone tries to break into my house, I can trust that the police will be there.
Low trust society doesn't just mean we have faith in each other, it means do we have faith in this system?
And as we're moving closer and closer to, or as trust in society is dropping rapidly, it will eventually come to a point where it's no different than if there was no government.
So when, you know, Erik Prince is mentioning their guys show up after being called in by the government saying we need security and they find dead bodies.
That's a zero-trust society.
Random guys with guns, don't care who you are, don't want to bother with it, they're hungry and they need stuff and you're in the way, you die.
That could happen gradually, as well as, you know, hurricane comes, floods the city, everyone's in panic and chaos, the system is broken, law enforcement is disheveled and looting and running, trust is gone.
ian crossland
The problem is, I think that some people are, they kind of are waiting for it to happen and are like ready for the moment the power goes down to just jump like another George Floyd riots, Summer of Love kind of thing.
tim pool
Exactly.
ian crossland
Like they're not even gonna wait two days before, they're just like, we are, so that, I'm very concerned about that.
tim pool
They're already doing it.
We are seeing the videos over the past several years of people just storming into buildings and raiding them and taking whatever they want.
And you know what it is?
There's trust in this.
They trust the government will do nothing to stop them.
They trust no one will stop them.
So the government will, I should say law enforcement, will arrest you for illegally bearing guns.
They describe as illegal.
I think the Constitution says otherwise.
And then when the criminals come and rob and destroy your property, they say, what are we supposed to do about it?
So, the system is designed to fail right now.
We're already at the point of almost no trust.
What happens in the summer of this year, when it's looking like Donald Trump will win, or they take action to, in some way, stop Donald Trump from winning?
Eric Prince pointed out, the only other time a president had been removed from the ballot, and it was Democrats who did it, was Abraham Lincoln.
A year later, the country was in a civil war.
ian crossland
Vivek made an interesting tweet.
I think it was yesterday.
He said, if you think that Donald Trump or Joe Biden are getting anywhere near the White House, what is wrong with you?
The way he phrased it was like, there's no way in hell that's going to happen.
tim pool
Trump or Biden?
ian crossland
Yeah.
He's kind of like, I think he sees something about the way that the deep state works and the way that the powers that be kind of want The situation to go and they are the ones with all the secret police.
So he just kind of consigned himself to it.
I don't know if the tweets still up.
I'm looking for it.
tim pool
It's about you sure it's a real tweet.
Someone just made a fake one.
ian crossland
Here it is.
It's from 20 hours ago from Vivek on his page.
If you really think quote, they are going to let either Trump or Biden get anywhere near the finish line.
Open your eyes folks.
There's something deeper going on.
It's starting.
It's staring us right in the face.
tim pool
Who is they, though?
ian crossland
Yeah, who is they?
He put it in quotes.
tim pool
Thank you, Ye, for giving us that meme.
ian crossland
It could be way bigger than the American Deep State.
It could be even bigger than that.
Who knows?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, we have to ask Ye.
Who is they, though?
I think one of the problems with tweets like this is, like, and I think Vivek is an interesting guy, you know, I respect what he's doing.
I think one of the problems is it's not solution-oriented.
I wish there was a little bit more towards, like, there is something deeper going on.
And I think that's our big problem right now is that people are ready to panic, but we When there's an issue, you have to remain calm and come up with a solution.
ian crossland
What I like about the tweet, and I kind of agree with you, it's not a solution-oriented tweet, is that he's kind of like, hey, don't follow that dangling carrot.
That's kind of what that tweet read to me.
hannah claire brimelow
Interesting.
james okeefe
Well, if they don't let the person who wins the election win, there's going to be a kind of civil disobedience slash civil unrest inside society's institutions, not necessarily the way we think.
For example, whistleblowing.
Civil disobedience takes place in many forms, and I talked to you about this today.
tim pool
Do you guys remember when there was a... We've seen all these parents going to school boards and complaining, and then there was one, I can't remember where it was, where all the parents just Among themselves voted to replace the board and they said that's not the official procedure, so it doesn't count.
But all the parents there were like, nope, we've all voted.
We are now the school board.
There is going to be an interesting clash between populism and credentialism.
Where you will have, in a small town, let's say there's a town of 5,000 people, and they'll all be like, who here is in agreement that we should do X?
And they'll go, and everyone cheers, and you'll have three guys, the official law enforcement chiefs or whatever, being like, no, because we're actually in charge.
And that's going to create an interesting conundrum, conflict between what these people end up doing, and how the state level, county level, or federal level authorities respond to these kinds of conflicts.
james okeefe
They can handle it if it's en masse, if it's a numbers game, right?
unidentified
Agreed.
tim pool
There's not enough law enforcement to handle populist... Uprising.
unidentified
Right.
james okeefe
And I don't mean violent uprising.
That's not... I'm talking about kind of a... You're talking about like a disobedience inside the corporation or the NGO.
tim pool
Well, not even that.
I'm saying like...
5,000 residents of a small town somewhere just all come out one day and say, our sheriff has abandoned us and is allowing illegal immigrants to run rampant through our country.
We are taking control.
We the people.
And so it will come to a point where they're going to go, yes, but elections are held based on these procedures and you have to do it this way.
And they're going to say, we're all the people who live here and we all agree we will do it the way we want.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, governments only operate on the consent of the governed, right?
tim pool
Except the reality of it right now is, the people are subjects of the federal government.
And so the authorities... This is like what we saw with the parents.
The parents said, we hereby vote you out.
And the board were like, nope, we're the official board, you can't do it.
And so I don't even know where that went.
But it's going to come to the point where grassroots individuals shift their confidence, their trust in what they believe, but government will not let that power go.
ian crossland
Have you noticed, James, that disobedience has been on the rise within corporations?
james okeefe
A hundred percent.
It's in the last month.
So, I mean, whistleblowing involves a crisis of conscience.
They have to weigh their loyalty to the organization versus to the public interest.
And I think that, you know, with the story that we're going to talk about here tonight with these airline pilots, actually, St.
Clair, did you see that video this week?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
james okeefe
It was just like an explosion.
It's just everything's sort of been festering and getting to this point, and it just blew open like this little sieve of pilots.
I did a Spaces with her and I would say about 70% of airline pilots are more conservative and about 80 to 90% of the ticket agents are more liberal.
So, you know, these people inside the airlines, you know, they're begging me to do something about it.
You know, expose these buses are dropping people off.
So it's remarkable.
It's a remarkable scene.
I mean, I was cornered in the airport by these airline workers.
It was like the Sami stop, the Soviet, don't, don't, I keep whispering, I don't want to be seen with you, but the buses are pulling up in 20 minutes.
So that's a new phenomenon and they could lose their jobs.
And then one of the people has a husband and she doesn't want her husband to know that she's talking to me.
You know what I mean?
These are incredible moments that I've never experienced before.
tim pool
I think it has a lot to do with this growing realization, I suppose.
It's very simple.
When I've talked about, for the past several years, if you keep your head down and keep your mouth shut and keep working for companies because your argument is, I have a family, I have children to feed.
There's a lot of people who are like, Tim, you don't have kids, you don't understand how hard it is, I can't lose my job, how will my kids eat?
The attitude, you know, my attitude is like, you are absolutely correct.
That does not change the fact you are standing with Satan.
ian crossland
Yeah, because people...
Not everyone can grow food.
You can get a vertical little garden in your kitchen.
But like, if you've known for a decade that you could get a vertical farm in your kitchen and grow a little bit of crops for your kids to eat, and you haven't done it yet, you might want to question your sanity.
tim pool
Well, it's this.
It's this.
To all the people out there who say, you know, I would not blow the whistle.
I'm seeing, like, you know, James is mentioning a lot of people are stepping forward.
Now more people are coming forward.
I think the point is they're realizing this point.
And this point is, Did you think when, and this is figurative or literal, depending on how you want to take it, if you're a person of faith or not.
Did you think the devil, when offering you a deal, would only offer you luxury instead of necessity?
It's an absurd proposition.
A deal with the devil isn't, how would you like an infinity pool and a golden statue of yourself?
Because people don't care about those things.
The deal with the devil is always, how would you like your children to have full bellies every night?
Serve me on your knees and I will make sure your children are fed.
And so I understand the terrifying nature of the Faustian deal.
But so many people, when I heard this from Owen Schroeder about the prison guards, I'm like, those guards saying, I know your work, I like what you do, I'm just doing my job?
What they are telling you is, I signed the devil's contract.
james okeefe
I think a lot of people though are, it's like Eric Bataxas and I were talking, it's like acid in your heart.
And it's like, I need to keep my job.
Well, you can, Eric says, you can keep your job and go to hell.
And about my children, and again, I don't have children and I can't fully empathize, but I would say your children are gonna respect you.
They're gonna respect you more if you do the right thing.
tim pool
Maybe not.
I mean, I'll be honest.
I'm not sitting here to pretend that it's easy In any way, it's probably the hardest imaginable thing.
Again, I don't have kids.
I respect that.
And your kids may not understand.
james okeefe
See, I think it's the hardest imaginable thing, but you're stronger having gone through it.
tim pool
I think your kids will respect you when they're older, and they fully understand the sacrifices made.
I mean, when I look back at the Founding Fathers, we're talking about wealthy dudes who had literally no reason to revolt.
No, no, no, hold on.
Like, there's a lot of grievances they listed, but these were grievances as leaders, and they were upset about what was being done to their communities and the future for their children.
When I said they had no reason, I'm saying these guys could have kissed the pinky ring of the king and been wealthy and wanted for nothing.
But they saw that the crown was abusive.
They saw that the regulars were abusive.
They saw farmers being killed.
And they said, we will not sit idly by in our luxury and comfort.
We will risk our sacred honor, our treasure, our blood, our families.
And they did.
And that is inspiration.
That is respect.
ian crossland
And Ben Franklin lost, basically, what were you gonna say?
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, I was gonna say, the thing is, they believed that there was a better option for their children.
And so this argument of like, well, I have kids, I need to provide for them is completely reasonable.
I understand that fear.
On the other hand, if you are helping a company that is ultimately Preaching a world that is destructive, what are you leaving for your children to grow up in?
tim pool
I just, I, I, like, just to hammer and reiterate, the reason why I think James O'Keefe is seeing so many people stand up is that they've realized when the, the, this is the deal with the devil.
Of course it's going to help your family.
Of course your kids will eat food.
And you are scared about what happens.
The deal will never just be to give you a convertible.
Because, think about the bargaining power of, again, figurative or literal.
The devil comes to you with a deal.
What leverage does he have to say, I can give you a Ferrari or an Infinity Pool?
None!
You're gonna be like, I'm gonna give you my soul for wealth?
What does that mean to me?
Then he goes and says, your children will die unless you sign in blood my contract.
They say, I will sign, I will do anything you say.
james okeefe
That's right.
That's right.
I mean, it said that Elon kind of rejected that premise a few weeks ago, didn't he?
With Disney.
He's gonna blackmail me with money.
And I think that's the personification of this movement.
I mean, whistleblowing, you know, it's people going against the idea of a social contract, people inside the corporation, the presence of the outside on the inside.
These people are, again, Tim, I've never seen anything like this.
I mean, I would be perusing my DMs for a week and I might get a couple interesting, I work inside this company.
but it's just like clockwork.
And I think it's Elon, I think it's X, I think it's the platform people.
I can't believe that people in the government are just sliding into my DMs.
I'm like, dude, at least use Signal or something, but they'll just DM me on Instagram,
be like, I work for the DHS.
tim pool
That's good.
You know why?
james okeefe
Why is that?
tim pool
Because people are no longer scared.
james okeefe
Right.
tim pool
The mentality is we have broken the dam, we are winning, we are winning culturally,
and I will no longer serve evil.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think any of it has to do with the timing of the election?
Like, there's one year left, might as well come forward now.
tim pool
I don't think it's... There's one year left!
hannah claire brimelow
Isn't that crazy?
tim pool
I don't think you just mean about Biden's presidency, I think.
unidentified
Who knows what I mean?
james okeefe
Whether it's a year away or a year and three months away, no, something is happening.
It might be the Elon thing, Elon's speech to Disney.
It's a confluence of events.
But the IBM story we did, I've never seen the CEO of IBM there, was on tape saying some things he shouldn't have said about Asians.
And then he gets on an all-staff call with IBM.
He says, no, this James O'Keefe video.
Do not respond to the video.
Do not give a reaction, everyone.
And then that was leaked to me by 10 people.
So and they can't fire.
They can't fire.
They can whack them all one person.
But if you have 118 leaks, it's actually impossible for HR within IBM to do anything about it.
Your ship is just sinking.
Exactly.
You got water coming out of this hole, that hole, there's nothing they can do.
ian crossland
You know, when a dam breaks, it usually is pretty destructive, and when like a sieve, if you sieve a balloon and it pops, that's essentially a pretty powerful explosive force, seemingly.
Are you concerned with what might happen if these corporations rupture from the inside?
james okeefe
I think it's happening and I've been thinking about this.
I'm kind of a victim of my own success.
I'm trying to figure out how to manage this dam breaking and how it can be leveraged for good.
I mean, it's always been a crisis of conscience with the whistleblower because you have to betray Betray your colleagues, your corporation, your employer, for the public's right to know the information.
And now it seems people are so fed up, so fed up, like with this immigration thing I was just talking about here, people getting, you know, refugees, everyone's a refugee crossing the border, here's a free airplane ticket, no security, go fly somewhere and now you can vote and buy a gun.
I mean, it's so crazy, it's like an SNL satire, that perhaps the American people are saying, I can't do this.
Pilots saying, and talking to Ashley, you should talk to Ashley too.
She's inundated with pilots.
Are they going to stop flying the airplanes?
tim pool
I remember back when the mandates were on, pilots were also, a lot of pilots were starting to stand up.
I think what we are seeing over the past several years, culturally, we are winning.
More and more people, I mean, simply look at Donald Trump's polling, okay?
Trump is not a saint, Trump is not your hero, but a singular reflection, a nexus point of the sentiment of the people.
People who did not vote in 2020 swing heavily towards Donald Trump.
That indicates that a lot of people, and again I'm not saying Trump is a saint, but a lot of people are apprised of what is happening to this country and the world, and this is also indicative of more whistleblowers, more people stepping up, more people refusing to play ball in the machines game.
ian crossland
It feels like, in a way, it feels like people that are like, I've had enough of this system, let's expose it and call it out.
It's kind of like that moment in Indiana Jones where he's about to take the idol off the thing, but they don't have a bag of sand to put on, they just take the idol.
They're like, I'm done with it.
hannah claire brimelow
I just can't imagine being an 18-year-old voter this year, right?
When you're 10 to like middle school, whatever, life is pretty good, gas price down, Trump's in office, then you hit 14, COVID, Biden says all kinds of crazy stuff, he falls down constantly, we're on the brink of war in like three different places, and then you're 18 and you're like, I don't want to vote for this guy again, this is bad.
james okeefe
Well, the majority of whistleblowers in the 20th century, I think, suffered in obscurity, and as Jeffrey Wigand is a great example, that was a 60 Minutes guy who blew the whistle on nicotine, big tobacco, and his marriage ended, his mortgage ended, he was sued, he had security death threats, but the reverse effect is now happening.
It's not the whistleblower who is being targeted and subjected.
There's this weird inversion that is happening.
It's the guy who's the CEO of IBM who's now being subjected to online comments and who's facing pressure.
So there's this inversion in the power and the social pressures are actually like with DEI.
And now we have this new... Tim, you've pulled up this graphic.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story.
A tweet from James O'Keefe.
James, do you want to read this out and explain what's going on?
james okeefe
Yeah, so this is a, you're looking at here, I don't think anyone has reported this, at least our team has not been able to find this on the internet.
If I stand corrected, let me know.
This is breaking news from Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport this week.
You're looking at a ticket counter piece of paper.
This is given to immigrants, illegal immigrants, coming in the United States.
They ship them from different parts of Arizona to a welcome center, a school in Phoenix, and then they're picked up in limousines, I'm not making this up, black cars, that's an inside joke, black cars.
By the way, did you know non-profits are not allowed to hire black cars?
It's against IRS rules.
But these non-profits, yes, I'm just making a joke, a Project Veritas joke there.
So these immigrants are picked up in black cars and dropped off at the airport and these are documents that were given to me by various airport insiders.
It says, quote, please help me print my boarding pass.
I am a refugee and I do not speak the language.
Thank you.
We redacted the confirmation number there to protect the insider at the airport.
And a lot of these immigrants are not from Mexico, they're from all different countries across the world.
The government claims it's vetting these individuals prior to putting them up on planes, but we're reporting that a lot of the insider's tips contradict that.
We found that agents responsible for vetting the identification are relying solely on their word and they don't speak English.
So it's fascinating here, Tim, and just to backtrack for a minute for the audience, I was outside this airport.
The airline insiders confronted me.
Oh my gosh, James O'Keefe, you have to help us!
Every 30 minutes the buses pull up.
I interviewed the bus driver.
He said he was with a company called Jet Limousines.
And then we were able to figure out where they pick these people up.
It's at a welcome center in Phoenix, Arizona.
And they hire these car services to drop them off at the airports, and they're shipped across the country, New Jersey, New York, and places like that.
ian crossland
And technically, I think you would call that smuggling them across the country?
You might call that smuggling?
tim pool
Wonder attack.
ian crossland
I followed up with Marianne Williamson last night, whose brother, we talked about immigration a bit, and her brother does immigration, he's a lawyer, and said that, her brother said that each of these individuals should be receiving what's called a credible fear interview.
And if you cannot establish that they have legitimate, credible fear, you send them back immediately.
You cannot take people in.
hannah claire brimelow
We haven't done that for years, right?
The thing about the border is that this has been an issue for decades and every political party has flipped on it.
Bill Clinton in his like 1995 State of the Union address said every American should be concerned about the number of illegal immigrants coming across the border and instead we just left a broken system to get worse and worse and worse.
No wonder airline pilots and all sorts of community members are frustrated by this.
I just think it's really funny that this like turning point sent all of these conservative people to Arizona.
james okeefe
Right?
hannah claire brimelow
While this was happening.
james okeefe
And everyone in the airport was noticing this.
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, that was the thing.
Ashley was there for it.
You were there for that.
tim pool
Tyler Hines was there.
hannah claire brimelow
Now hold on.
tim pool
Our crew, who flew through Chicago on their way, saw the same thing in Chicago.
So before even getting to TPUSA, we're getting messages from our crew being like, hey, we're on a plane.
It's all illegal immigrants.
They've got the bags.
And we're like, wow.
And then they're being dropped off in Chicago.
james okeefe
I get hundreds of these messages from people and say, I can't say who they are.
Hey, this is my throwaway account.
I set up a fake ex.
Don't reveal my name so I don't get in trouble.
But I know the location that we drop off migrants from Nogales, Tucson, Yuma here in Phoenix.
So they all can go to Phoenix Sky Harbor.
And they drop them off at this school, this welcome center, this school now turned welcome center.
We get hundreds of people coming in.
And anyway, I'm going back to Phoenix to follow up on this, because this is a fascinating story.
And they have all these car companies that they hire.
I'm trying to figure out who's doing this.
Is it the feds?
The state?
There's a lot more.
tim pool
Who's paying for it?
james okeefe
Who's paying for it?
And by the way, one more thing about this, Tim, this whistleblowing.
Let me just add that there's nowhere for these people to actually, these insiders, to go.
Obviously, they can't go to the New York Times.
Because they'll hunt those people down like a trophy buck and print their real name.
But you gotta have guts to publish these stories, you know?
And citizen journalism here.
tim pool
I think it is not hyperbole to say the 2024 election is the last election.
ian crossland
Until the next one.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I mean, in terms of what this country is, this is it.
However, only if Joe Biden or the Democrats win.
I don't think it's hyperbolic.
When you look at what's going on, the federal government has been facilitating the Mass illegal migration into this country to the point where black residents in Chicago are on video right now screaming, this is no joke, an elderly black man got up at a meeting and said, Trump, get in here and clean this mess up.
I'm like, wow, when the Chicago black community is so fed up with the abuse, they're yelling for a Republican.
That's how bad it's gotten.
If the Democrats win in 2024, we will not survive four more years of 10,000-plus illegal immigrants every day.
james okeefe
What is your hypothesis?
Are they going to let them vote, or what do you think?
You mentioned something about camps.
tim pool
So, Boston recently passed a bill for non-citizens to vote.
New York has had similar provisions.
Cities in California have had similar provisions.
Yes, we are marching towards, we are a couple years away.
If the Democrats win, non-citizens, illegal immigrants will be slowly granted voting powers.
james okeefe
And they're all considered refugees because they can just claim that.
I guess anybody can claim to be a refugee.
I probably should go to Mexico and just slide, I mean this is dangerous, but wear a hidden camera and just go across the border in disguise and just go through the whole process.
That would be a good idea if we have any brave people that want to sign up on the OMG website.
tim pool
What would happen if the U.S.
brought in 15 million illegal immigrants, mostly fighting-age males, and then just load them up on boats and shipped them off to, like, the Taiwans, like, to Taiwan, and been like, okay, now you defend this place?
hannah claire brimelow
But Democrats would never let that happen because we use illegal immigrants to throw off the census data, right?
Remember when Trump was like, I would like the immigration status to be on the census.
tim pool
Citizenship status.
hannah claire brimelow
Citizenship status.
And they were like, absolutely not, that's crazy, you're so racist.
Well, I wonder why, right?
Like, this is something that is...
The only reason someone would allow for this to happen is if they benefit from it in some way, and that's the issue here, right?
All of the illegal immigrants, especially those who are actually, you know, smuggled, brutalized, brought across in really dangerous and restrictive, terrible conditions.
I mean, there was a story two months ago about A shipping container full of, I think it was 60 people, who were all dead.
They were being trafficked across the border.
This is a brutal problem for everyone involved, right?
I don't think you should cross into the country illegally, but I also think that by incentivizing illegal immigration, by saying, if you get here, we'll just put you on an airplane and send you wherever you want to go, we are making all kinds of people take crazy risks that we shouldn't encourage.
ian crossland
I think it could happen that a bunch of 15 million immigrants come across illegally and then get shipped off to Taiwan to defend the island, or to either Ukraine to defend Ukraine, but then they'd still get their census tally at whatever state they were in before they got shipped out.
And then they get their citizenship if they survive.
hannah claire brimelow
If you're an illegal immigrant, you put it in the state.
This is one of the issues, right?
So if you come across the border illegally, they'll say you have a court date.
It's in three years from now.
But then you never go to that court date.
So I don't know how we would then recall all of the people we allowed in illegally.
You'd have to immediately send them and we aren't good at that.
We'd rather send them wherever they want to go in the U.S.
james okeefe
even though they don't have legal status.
Tim, I tend to keep this pretty, I keep my reporting pretty factual without making judgments.
How do you handle, I do see about 20% of comments, you know, that kind of the empathy people have for these poor people who are in a horrible place just trying to have a better life.
How do you deal with that talking point?
tim pool
These poor people want to have a better life?
james okeefe
Yeah, that type of thing you get.
tim pool
I welcome them with open arms.
I hope every poor person in the world who wants to come to America comes to America through the legal process properly.
Right.
And that legal process means it might take them 20 years, but they're all welcome to apply and join our community done right.
Why?
You get this talking point, like Marianne Williamson said the other day, Migrants are a boost to the economy, and like, yes, you are absolutely correct, when managed properly.
james okeefe
Right.
tim pool
When they, when we bring migrants in, like we did, she says, how many of your grandparents, you know, were migrants?
And I'm like, right, when they arrived on Ellis Island and said, now we will integrate, and we will assimilate, and be like the Americans.
That's not what they're doing today.
Today, they're cutting the razor wire and saying, everybody, quick, run!
And they're dumping these people in Chicago, where they have nowhere to go, and now Chicago's like, we're gonna build mass camps.
Okay, look, What do you call large camps?
And I mean, this is a literal question, not a rhetorical one.
What do you call large camps where they house like a political faction of people?
You know, the problem is I don't want to say concentration camp because everyone just immediately thinks Nazi Germany.
I am not arguing for prison or death camps, but quite literally they are going to create migrant detention camps.
These people are being shipped in in Chicago and they're putting up, they're building fences and I think one of them got delayed, but they're putting them in schools.
They're putting them in police stations.
If Trump wins in 2024, I can already tell you what 2025 is going to look like.
Donald, there's going to be videos of people being loaded up onto trains, onto buses, and sent to camps for deportation, and the left is going to screech like banshees, he's Hitler.
It's happening again.
Heaven's me.
Quick, everyone take up your arms.
They want... It's 4D chess across the board, right?
Everybody is playing some advanced strategy of victory.
Lawsuits are being prepared.
And what we're seeing today will have massive impacts in the next two or three years, and longer, obviously, throughout the history of this country, or what's left of it.
But what's being done today, there is a plan for what comes next.
ian crossland
Yeah, I told you guys this, I think you and Michael Malice the other night, Einstein, when the Nazis were coming to power, he saw it early and got out of the country and fled to the United States.
tim pool
People have already fled the U.S.
ian crossland
I'm feeling that right now and I don't like that, but that is what I feel and what I see is like, yo, if...
Mass illegal immigration, record high inflation, world wars all popping up all over the place, the people arresting their political opponents like, okay guys, and I don't want to black pill you, and I don't want to give up on this wonderful constitution we got, but what does the country even mean?
Is it the land that you live on?
Is it the constitution that's fit?
Is it the people that are running the military?
Like, what is this country?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, that's the question, right?
I don't know where you would like to go if you were to leave the US.
tim pool
El Salvador.
hannah claire brimelow
El Salvador, maybe.
I mean, there are interesting places.
One of the issues is countries are built on a sense of patriotism and a sense of community and loyalty, right?
You would theoretically want to stay and fix it.
On the other hand, I understand the instinct to be like, it's just going up in flames.
I need to leave.
And I think that there are people who immigrated to the U.S.
from their own countries, legally immigrated here, who made the same decision.
And I wonder what their conversation is like right now.
Do we stay in the U.S.
where we went for a better life or try and fix it?
tim pool
I met a guy at MGM National Harbor playing poker.
And, uh, you know, you're at the poker table, you're shooting a shit, you're talking.
And he mentioned he was from El Salvador.
And I was like, oh, I hear it's getting really, really good down there.
This was a few months ago.
And he goes, yeah, actually, my family's moving back.
You're going back to El Salvador!
It's like, yeah, crime is way down, the economy is doing really well, so my family wants to go home.
ian crossland
Better to be a poor farmer than a metal-in-the-politics man.
james okeefe
How is the First Amendment in El Salvador?
I don't know the politics of that.
Do they have a... Do Article III courts protect the First... I think it's a very important thing in the United States.
tim pool
I think the issue is not about the Constitution and the First Amendment.
When we had free speech in the 70s, they still arrested George Carlin for swearing.
The issue is, do you have good leaders?
And so, my view is, I believe that Naib Bukele would respect legitimate journalistic endeavors.
james okeefe
Who's that?
tim pool
He's the current president.
Although, I'm not going to pretend to know enough about the government functions and guaranteed rights.
The corporate press in the United States argued that he was a despot for arresting all these gang members and cartel members and things like that.
But, you know, spare me.
These people are... The New York Times are grotesque monsters.
james okeefe
Yes.
I mean, I think that's the next, that's one of the tests that we're going to find here in this year is the limits of the First Amendment.
Because you talk about camps in Chicago, that may be true.
But if that is true, I guarantee you there's going to be video inside of there and things leaking like a sieve.
We're going to get so much information.
I think what you're going to see this year is going to be horrible.
That's the bad news.
The good news is All the horrible things will be captured on video and leaked to the world.
ian crossland
But my concern is deepfakes.
What's coming?
james okeefe
See, everyone always talks about AI, and if I knew the solution about AI, I'd be a billionaire, because everyone wants to know the solution to AI.
But I think the discipline of verification has been a thing that's been there for a hundred years.
You have to check things out.
tim pool
You have to verify it.
Look man, a year and a half ago I made a deep fake of Nancy Pelosi and it was a grotesque
disgusting picture and it was hilarious.
A year later, AI is so good, you can make a photorealistic picture of Nancy Pelosi.
When it comes to video, verification is not the issue, and I'll give you an example.
Donald Trump stands up at a rally and says, you had very fine people on both sides and I am not talking about the white supremacists because they should be condemned totally.
We know that video.
We know the media manipulated and cut out of context what Trump said.
He said, I am not talking about the Nazis and the white nationalists.
They should be condemned totally.
The deepfake issue is not going to be a video of Donald Trump saying something racist.
The deepfake video I'm scared of is Donald Trump saying almost 99% verbatim what he did say, but what they'll do is they'll change it.
So whereas Trump actually said, and they should be condemned totally!
The deepfake version will go, some of them should be condemned totally!
And then no one will know which one is the original video because they're near identical.
The left will say, some of them should be condemned?
Oh man, he's saying some of the Nazis are good?
And then you'll argue, no, no, no, he didn't actually say some of them, that's deepfake.
No, you're lying.
You made the deepfake.
Trump was defending them.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Biden already launched his campaign off that lie.
And so, that's one example of the fear.
A single word being changed, and it will be weaponized, and there's no verification of it.
ian crossland
Also, like, a presidential address could be deep-fed.
tim pool
Do you guys remember when Jim Acosta tried ripping the mic out of the hand of that White House aide?
And the country was split.
Half of people were like, she tried ripping the mic from Jim Acosta's hand.
And then the other half was like, Acosta tried ripping the mic from her hand.
And no one knew for sure.
I think it's fair to say, and there were all these deep analysis videos, drawing lines and like figuring it out, it's fairly obvious that Jim Acosta was pulling the mic to try and, he was trying to hold it and she was, she grabbed it and then he jerked to try and pull it back from her because he was trying to yell at Trump.
But either way, You have a video and no one agrees what happened.
james okeefe
Yeah, but to kind of quote George Carlin when he talked about the world plus plastic, there'll
be a new paradigm where that will be what you just described will be happening to everyone.
And if that is true, the Dota Trump, then both sides will do it.
You mentioned something about Pelosi.
So there'll just be a new paradigm where, where people will distrust things a little
more perhaps.
And journalism is all about trust.
And who do you trust?
But I still stand by my statement.
The discipline of verification is something that existed before video.
I mean, people in newspapers report according to people familiar with the matter.
And they're reporting anonymously sourced statements.
That we don't have video of.
tim pool
Right.
james okeefe
So don't those journalism rules apply to this new era?
tim pool
When everything is questionable, people will simply choose what confirms their bias.
james okeefe
Okay.
tim pool
So with these, with deepfakes getting as good as they are, Yeah, you're gonna say, hold on, was Trump even really at that rally?
And then you'll pull up the video, and you'll be like, okay, Trump really was there, did he actually say this?
There's two versions of the same event.
ian crossland
Can you imagine a riot, and then they deepfake somebody into the riot, and then that person gets arrested for being at the riot?
tim pool
January 6th photos?
ian crossland
Yeah, stuff like that.
Let me ask you.
tim pool
This is the reality of politics in a low-trust society.
james okeefe
You're talking about a post-truth society.
tim pool
We are there.
If a police officer says you broke the law, you did.
Good luck.
Good luck.
You go to court, and you get a speeding ticket.
And you say, Your Honor, I wasn't speeding.
The cop says, Your Honor, he was speeding.
Guess what?
You lose.
That's it.
ian crossland
I mentioned to you in Miami at the event that we did, the IRL event, that I thought O'Keefe Media Group, a cool thing to do would be to build some technology that can identify deepfakes.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Because you've got the trust and that would be cool coming from you and your organization or an organization that you work with.
james okeefe
I think trust is critical.
Journalistic trust.
They trust me.
Why?
Because of what I've been through.
And there are other people they trust, too.
But I think that's critical.
And I think I don't know enough about technology to build that, but it's a good idea.
But I also think here's one thing they can't fake.
The person on the inside going public.
The courageous thing.
That can't be a fake.
If someone says, I work for the IRS, the lowest learner, or I work for the FBI, or I work for this institution, and you know what?
I'm jumping on a grenade for my country.
That's a real thing, isn't it?
And then there's a reaction from the institution.
tim pool
There's always... Well, you could... Counter Intel ops and things like that.
james okeefe
There is.
There is.
I mean, there is.
I mean, you're talking about a totally fake world.
We're totally posh.
I'm a little bit more of an optimist.
I believe there is one truth.
And it can be verified through multiple sources.
ian crossland
Like if one guy sends you a video of a nut...
He basically acts as if he's someone else.
tim pool
How many people think you are a far-right extremist?
james okeefe
They've been saying that for 20 years, but I've stopped using those words recently.
I used to say Dr. Tapes.
Tim, they used to say that 10 years ago.
Remember that?
He's the tape doctor.
He doctors the tape.
I'm like, can you just name one?
By the way, I have no money.
I'm using Final Cut 7.
I wish I knew how to... They said with the acorn story that I put CGI to make the people's lips move.
I'm like, I don't even know how to put the font other than Courier New.
But the last 24 hours of my life, here's what I did.
I had people Message me from JetLimo, another JetLimo, five sources, and I was corroborating the information I had by talking to multiple sources inside the company to verify that guy was the real person's name.
This is what journalists do.
They verify information by getting multiple accounts of the version of events to ensure that the thing that they're looking at is real.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's what ethical journalists do, and that's sort of the problem.
james okeefe
But no one does that anymore.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what I mean.
james okeefe
Nobody has the time, and it's laziness, it's incompetence, it's a lack of, usually it's economics.
But my point is, that video of me talking to the bus driver, if that wasn't my video, which it was, but he said, I work for Jet Limousine, I do facecheck.id, I find his picture online, there's his LinkedIn, I talk to his colleague, I talk to his boss, then I publish the video.
So I've verified that the video that I've taken is real.
And that does, you're right, That doesn't happen anymore on social media.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like, and maybe I'm biased, but like conservative moderate journalists would maybe
take all those steps, but someone who is trying to smear someone says, I don't care if it's not
real. In fact, I would prefer if you do not follow up with me at all, do not see that I have not.
james okeefe
Or they paint or they paint the New York Times reporters paint this elaborate using words like
document show how far the conservative group would go to not run afoul of the law.
Another way of saying that is we check with our lawyers to make sure what we do is legal, but they make it, word it in such a way.
hannah claire brimelow
Or like this person who has been accused of doctoring tapes based on some random blog post from the internet that is also not verified, that has no backup.
That's right.
It's just repeating the lie and making it bigger.
I mean, it's the idea of basically being a Google felon, right?
False information reported about you that becomes part of the... Circularly sourced information.
unidentified
Right.
james okeefe
Yes.
Wikipedia.
ian crossland
If you got a video and they're like, this guy said this racist stuff at the company, this executive, and then...
james okeefe
It turns out to be a deep fake.
unidentified
Yeah.
james okeefe
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
ian crossland
How do you verify that?
james okeefe
I mean, one of the ways you verify it, for example, is getting it from two different sources from two different angles.
And, you know, there are different ways.
I mean, there's no hard and fast rule on how to verify the thing.
But I tell my reporters, if you put a gun to your mother's head, are you 100% sure that that's true before you report it?
And that's the standard.
And Tim, I mean, it's a good point.
It's worth discussing.
There's got to be a way in this post-truth world to verify that what you're looking at is real.
tim pool
There are people who care about the truth and want to know and will verify, and I think those are the people who are on our side.
ian crossland
Yeah, they'll be contacting you.
tim pool
And then there are mindless zealots who don't care.
I mean, did you see Hasan Piker's response to Ashley St.
Clair?
james okeefe
No, I didn't.
tim pool
He made this ridiculous Low IQ tweet where he was like, Oh my God, foreigners are flying on planes.
How could this possibly happen?
Oh my God, send help.
And all of his fans are laughing and clapping for him because it's like when you got mindless drones who don't know or don't care.
There are two kinds of people in this world.
I mean, the truth is there's like a ton of different kinds of people, but right now, you've got the people who are more independently minded, and they're wondering, what am I doing, and is it right?
And then you have the other group that says, I just want to have the pitchfork and be in the mob.
That's it.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think 2024, it's the year to focus on the people that care about the truth, and the other people are just going to be friction.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story here from Politico.
Trump allies and MAGA luminaries move to kill off the Haley for VP buzz.
Haley's rise has prompted speculation she'd be a logical running mate for Trump.
This is fake news.
This is an absolutely fake story, and I'm willing to bet that these two people who wrote it fabricated it through clever manipulation.
What I mean by that is, you take a morsel of truth, and you can make it mean whatever you want it to mean.
You can make it convey whatever you want it to convey.
Take a look at this.
The fervent effort to kill off Haley's veep buzz before it truly takes off has come from the former, as the former U.N.
ambassador and ex-South Carolina governor is gaining momentum in the Republican primary.
It has prompted speculation she'd be a logical choice as a running mate for Trump, who has maintained a wide polling lead, blah blah blah.
Her eyes have caught the attention of the former president, who has recently quizzed people outside his campaign for their impressions of Haley, according to three people familiar with the conversation.
Quote, What do you think of Nikki?
Trump had asked.
It's not unusual for Trump to survey donors outside advisors and members of his Mar-a-Lago resort on personnel matters.
He's also blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
What did they say?
He pressed allies for the impressions of other Republicans, etc, etc.
But Haley has been the subject of his most recent focus.
Haley's polling surges alarms on staunch Trump confidants who are acutely aware the former president pays close attention to survey data, etc, etc.
So they're referencing, uh, during a phone conversation with one ally about Haley, Trump indicated that he was aware of the criticisms of her, but nonetheless wanted to get this person's take about the former ambassador, according to a person familiar with the call.
Here's what likely really happened.
Donald Trump probably called someone and said, yeah, I'm hearing a lot of people in the media talking about it.
Yeah, how are you doing?
These journalists then say, the reason why Trump is not quoted here, if someone truly came to them, three people apparently, familiar with this call, you'd think they would go, Donald Trump said, in fact, there's an earlier quote, what do you think of Nikki, Trump had asked, where's the rest of what he said, why?
Because they don't wanna get sued.
So I always explain this to people, the media will lie, when they ask you for a quote, no matter what you say, they will find a way to make it the narrative they want.
For example, A journalist contacts James O'Keefe and says, we're going to write a story about you.
It's a profile.
I'm curious, what's your take on dogs?
And then James says, I love dogs.
I think dogs are fantastic.
Who doesn't love dogs?
And they'll go, ooh, that's a quote we can't run.
I got an idea.
When asked about whether James O'Keefe liked dogs, he asked an intriguing question, seemingly confused, indicating, in fact, he may not actually like dogs at all.
When they don't use quotes, they're lying to you.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, this, like, what do you think of Haley?
They don't say really anything other than it's on this supposed call.
I mean, you could easily pull it from, like, a rally.
Like, what if Trump walked out of a rally and was like, what do you guys think of Nikki Haley?
And they all booed, right?
Like, this could be from anything.
It's so random.
tim pool
Trump could have been on the phone with Steve Bannon, who knows, and then he's like, yeah, I saw what Tucker said about Haley, as if anyone actually cares.
What do you think about Haley?
As if anyone's going to ask that question.
And they run that quote specifically out of context to make it seem like Donald Trump actually wants Haley.
hannah claire brimelow
I think she's about to cancel her campaign, said Trump.
ian crossland
He might have said, he might have said, uh, I've heard a bunch of criticism about her.
What do you think about her?
The way I look at it is like, I don't know.
james okeefe
And he's like, all right, The way I look at this is a journalism professor said many years ago, he said the way you deal with these is every time they use these, so this is anonymously sourced here, according to people familiar with the matter, the way I see it is that you need more of your stories to produce actual evidence, like over 51% should be documents or video, but this is like
The New York Times is usually 95-100% anonymously sourced material.
tim pool
Random garbage.
james okeefe
So it's like taking money out of an ATM.
I have to deposit into my bank account because I'm withdrawing upon my own journalistic credibility.
If I'm going to say, trust me by virtue of the decree that I'm to be trusted.
Tim's right.
I have no reason to trust those two guys.
tim pool
Check it out.
I'll give you an example of what may have happened.
Let's say that quote from Trump is real.
So Trump's on the phone after the last GOP debate and he goes, man, Ron's campaign is not doing too well.
I'm seeing he's down in the polls.
And then they're like, yep, he is crashing and burning.
And then Trump goes, I think they're all crashing and burning.
What do you think about Haley?
They take that quote and turn it into, Donald Trump was curious about Haley's a VP pick because he asked, what do you think about Haley?
It could have been in the context of him mocking the failure of other campaigns.
We don't know.
james okeefe
And I get this emails all the time, the very last second, or even like while they're publishing the story, they send me the New York Times sends you this whole thing.
And I, I call them up on the phone and record it and they hang up the phone.
I mean, here's a tactic that you should do.
If you ever get asked for comment by the media, publish your statement to your entire audience before they go to air their story.
There's nothing they can do.
Because you've made it clear, okay world, here is my response.
I have a pretty large following, many people don't, but that's what Trump could do.
tim pool
But I think the challenge, I agree, but the challenge is Politico knows our audience doesn't care about Politico articles.
james okeefe
That's true.
tim pool
And the people who read Politico are low-information individuals.
james okeefe
No, Tim, your point about the world being segmented where you're only playing to your audience is a very good point, and I get that.
tim pool
It's not just only to your audience.
You know, the side that we are on is not the quote-unquote right.
You can call it whatever you want.
james okeefe
I don't think it is.
I think it's just good and evil, true and false at this point.
tim pool
Yes, agreed.
They call you right-wing, but you don't come out and advocate policy.
james okeefe
No, never.
tim pool
You're like, here's a politician saying a thing, and they're like, aha, he's right-wing.
It's like, well, hold on.
If he was coming out saying, I'm opposed to these policies, in favor of these policies, so vote for this person, I have opinions on politics all day, every day.
So if they want to accuse me of something, fine, I get it.
But I think it is the liars, the top-down control, and the ignorant versus those who want freedom, meritocracy, honesty, truth, etc.
james okeefe
Yeah, I try to keep it very factual, actually.
There's plenty of facts, there's plenty of Factually, things say, but that's fascinating.
I love this sort of masterclass and going through an article.
And one of the things that they also do is they'll send me an article and say, please comment.
And then I'll give them a comment that's quite material to the circumstance.
And they'll say, James O'Keefe did not respond to what we was asked about.
Well, it's like, print what I want, print what I said, if you really want to have fairness, which is all these journalists do.
But I think, yeah, I think it's a great exercise going through this like you're doing.
ian crossland
I think if journalists, maybe if they want to get comments from now on, it should be live.
The comments should be live.
It should all be on a chat thing on a website where it happens in real time.
tim pool
You can't talk to them.
Look, if they come to you, and again, using the dog analogy, if they said, do you support the working class?
And you go, absolutely, I support the working class.
Instead of writing your quote, they'll say, Ian sarcastically mocked working class people and asked if you supported them.
And you'll be like, no I didn't!
I said I supported them!
And they'll be like, yeah, sarcastically.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think the age of relying on someone else to represent you is over, man.
You gotta represent yourself.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, one of the other issues is that if you feel like you can't talk to the press, right, they'll go to the person who will feel like they can talk to them, which is typically someone who feels like they have a friendly relationship with the publication.
So you're getting a biased viewpoint because someone who's like, I don't trust you, you're always trying to represent me in a negative way, you're always saying I hate the working class, whatever, They're ultimately gonna pull away and so the narrative becomes more insulated that way.
tim pool
Yeah.
james okeefe
One of the things that they do is they call themselves credible.
There was one story we did.
So Anderson Cooper, this guy from the Washington Post, Jacob Bagage is his name.
He literally looks like Humpty Dumpty.
He's got his oval face.
And Bhagat says, well, Anderson, we're credible journalists.
So they say we're credible sources.
So they rely upon this virtue that they've assigned to themselves that they are credible by virtue of their own decree that they are that way.
And their anonymously sourced stuff is permitted to contradict incontrovertible evidence.
And that's why I go back to this trust thing.
It's just the experts, the credible sources.
But you're making a good point.
Is incontrovertible evidence incontrovertible?
Because it could be a deepfake.
tim pool
Well, I think the issue is you're right about verification.
Our side will always appreciate verification, sourcing, and will seek out those they can trust, those who are willing to admit they're wrong.
james okeefe
I hate saying that it's our, but there is a group of people.
ian crossland
It's a way of behavior.
james okeefe
It's a way of behavior.
Values.
tim pool
There are people who, look, This is why we like Marianne Williamson, and we're grateful that she came on.
Because she is a good person, and I believe she's an honest person.
She openly talked about her views, but she gets her news from bad sources.
ian crossland
Not anymore, not after last night.
tim pool
Well, it improves.
And that's why we're grateful she comes on.
But when, when I, when, uh, it was a really amazing moment last night when we showed Marianne Williamson the whiteness contract from the book Not My Idea, she almost cried.
She had never seen it before.
And so she's getting this narrative about banning books and she's like, oh, Republicans are crazy.
But the problem with Marian's source of information is that she's likely hearing second-hand opinions from someone who watched CNN and MSNBC, whereas James is actually recording people saying the words and publishing them
She then hears her friend go, oh, James O'Keefe fabricated that video.
And she goes, wow.
Then when she gets into a political debate, someone says, didn't you see the video from James O'Keefe?
And I shouldn't say Marianne, but the liberal will then go, he fabricated that.
james okeefe
There are going to be a substantial minority of people whose minds have actually been changed.
Like I hired this guy named Jason Watkins.
He's a professor at ASU Journalism School, Tim.
He teaches journalism at the Cronkite School.
He used to be a leftist.
His mind was actually changed.
I'm not, am I making this up?
I might call it that.
People think, oh, that's insane.
There are people who actually do change their minds.
And if 5% or 1%, let's just call it 1% of people change their minds or their hearts, then One would even argue if one person changes their mind that you've made a difference.
So I don't think you need to affect the majority of people.
And of course some people say it's a fake thing, but you know.
tim pool
Alright, here we go.
ian crossland
Not being angry too is a real big part.
I bet the Founding Fathers weren't angry guys.
They strike me as like really level-headed dudes.
tim pool
No, some of them were super angry.
But it's a mixed bag.
I'm gonna pull up this tweet here.
Let's roll.
Will Chamberlain tweeted out a quote from Nikki Haley in 2020, saying, We should all stand with Bubba Wallace today against the cowards who secretly put the noose in his garage stall.
Watch your back, cowards.
Bubba has a bigger army than you do.
Ugh, cringe.
Well, we all know about Nikki Haley's cringe, but Will Chamberlain said, Meet Trump's VP pick.
I responded, I'll bet you $1,000 he doesn't pick Haley.
Will Chamberlain replies, give me 4 to 1 odds, and you're on.
My response?
If Trump picks Haley, I'll give you $4,000.
If he picks anyone else, you give me $1,000.
Will responded, and if it's a push, if Trump doesn't win the nod, if so, deal.
And I said, let's get it bets on.
And he said, all right, bet.
I am so confident.
I actually don't know if it's a real bet, or we're just joking, to be completely honest.
hannah claire brimelow
No, it's real.
It's in writing, in the contract.
ian crossland
The world's going to hold you to it.
tim pool
Like, for sure, for sure.
And I'll stand by it if it is real.
But Will may have been trolling and I'm goofing off, but you know, in the end, it'll be funny when Will comes on the show and then we can, you know, depending on what happens, if Trump doesn't or does, we'll resolve it.
But my point with this is not to actually say I want to bet cash.
It's just that I'm so confident Donald Trump will not pick Nikki Haley that I'm willing to make a bet I'll have to talk to Will and ask him if he was serious about it, but it's fun anyway.
And I will, you know, if it is.
But I'm so confident that I'm not worried about 4-1 odds.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, the thing is, the Nikki Haley BP rumor, I feel like it's just the mainstream media trying desperately to say it has influence over the conservative Primary or the Republican primary.
I think ultimately we know that she is not the VP choice.
I obviously think I've said this a couple times on the show.
I think one of the mistakes we make is thinking that the only options for VP are the people we see on the debate stage.
There's actually a much deeper deck of potential people anyone could pick from.
It doesn't just happen to be that who else has launched a presidential campaign.
But I think, you know, there's too much bad blood between Nikki Haley and Donald Trump.
And I don't think she would garner him any major support anywhere he needs it.
ian crossland
Is that like, I didn't know they had bad blood, did they not get along?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, they've sniped each other a ton.
ian crossland
Yeah, he doesn't seem to enjoy working with people that he's sniped with.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I mean why would you, right?
We're talking about trust all night tonight.
ian crossland
Plus Tucker, so this is would you have taken 10 to 1 odds is what I want to know.
Tucker said on stage at turning point he would actually advocate against that ticket.
If Trump picked Haley he would say do not vote for Trump.
So I think Trump listens to Tucker.
That's why I'm on board.
I don't think there's any chance in hell he's gonna go with Nikki Haley at this point.
Tucker suggested he pick Vivek Ramaswamy.
I also suggested that.
I think that he would be the right move.
hannah claire brimelow
We almost always said he wouldn't take a VP pick when he was here with us when Seamus was on.
I don't know how long that was now.
ian crossland
Yeah, that was a smart tactic if you're running for president.
You know, you shouldn't say, I'll accept second place.
But realistically, I think that would be... Because, I mean, whoever becomes VP is probably going to be the next president.
hannah claire brimelow
I'd rather see Vivek go back to Ohio and run for office there and do something interesting.
I mean, he's got so much energy.
I feel like in some ways being VP would be too penned in for him.
ian crossland
Although in the age of social media, and he's a loud mouth in a good way, like he would make a lot of noise in that office.
And I think Trump's a lie.
He's his life is liable.
Like if he tries to be president again, it's a very dangerous place for his life.
hannah claire brimelow
And he's got a lot of civil civil cases going on.
I mean, there are a lot of things calling his attention.
ian crossland
So I would say that that VP role is probably more important now than it's been in my lifetime in 44 years.
That's probably the most likely that a VP would become president.
james okeefe
Which is why Charlie Kirk suggested the right move would be to make Tucker Carlson the VP.
ian crossland
And Tucker was humble about it, but what do you think about that?
tim pool
Tucker wanted Ian to be vice president.
ian crossland
Yeah, he agreed.
I thought Charlie was talking about me.
Well, Charlie said, who it should be is the man sitting next to me.
And I was like, oh, well, thank you, Charlie.
And Tucker was like, I'd vote for that.
A little does poor Tucker know.
Do you think he'd be a good VP, T?
james okeefe
Do I think he'd be?
I mean, there's a difference between journalism and governing, but maybe he could do it.
I mean, he's certainly got the popularity and the people and the goodwill of the people, and that's what you need.
unidentified
Who do you think could be VP?
james okeefe
I don't have an opinion on the matter.
I actually think that Tim is very brave for placing bets because I think all bets are off.
I think it's impossible to predict.
What is going to happen?
I mean, if Alien, the Flying Saucer, came through this window, that would not surprise me right now.
hannah claire brimelow
I think all these are crazy.
tim pool
To clarify, it's safe to tweet this because Will even said he was trolling in a different tweet, so I don't know if there's any actual real bet.
james okeefe
I see.
I see.
tim pool
That's fair enough.
But my point is like, I would make the bet.
I don't know.
Depending on whatever.
But I did actually ask Will, like, did you really want to?
I think it's realistic.
And what are the laws on, like, making a bet like that?
I don't even know.
ian crossland
Well, what if it's Monopoly money?
hannah claire brimelow
He can come on and give you a bet.
tim pool
Yeah, no, but are there taxes for, like, you know, a bet with your friends?
ian crossland
I don't know.
Maybe over a certain limit.
tim pool
But he was, he said that when he was saying, when he said Trump was gonna pick Nikki Haley, he was, like, obviously trolling.
He said that.
ian crossland
Oh, oh, okay.
tim pool
Like, he's poking fun at Trump for the idea that he might pick Haley.
hannah claire brimelow
That Bubba Wall tweet is off-page so badly!
ian crossland
Can't be DeSantis, it won't be DeSantis.
james okeefe
I think Tucker would be probably a good pick.
ian crossland
And I think he would accept if Trump asked him.
james okeefe
I think Charlie's right on that analysis.
tim pool
You know, I think Tucker could help Trump win, but you make a good point about journalism versus, and commentary, versus actual governance.
Being a good political leader, it's not about knowing the issues.
That's a component of it.
It's about knowing how to navigate appropriately the system.
ian crossland
I really like the big move with Strive, his company that's divesting away from ESG.
This is what turned me on to him in the very beginning when I first met him.
I didn't know who he was.
Tim interviewed him.
I think it was Charlie Kirk Studio.
And I was just like, this guy knows how to solve the problem.
The problem is BlackRock is trying to buy up the world, and he knows how to divest our resources away from BlackRock by not complaining, he's creating a new system that we can go into.
james okeefe
The problem is for some reason, and I don't necessarily agree with this, I'm just telling you what is the reality.
For some reason, the people don't trust Vivek, or they're asking, who is this person?
Many people in the Midwest have said, he's like Obama, this very, very, very intelligent, well-spoken guy, but they just don't seem to trust him or know him well enough.
Like they, for example, trust Tucker.
That's the read I'm seeing.
By the way, I like most of what Vivek says.
I interviewed Vivek and him and I had great chemistry.
I mean, he's ridiculously smart.
I like what he says.
He even understood what I do to a degree that most people don't.
But for some reason, the people don't seem to... Do you see that?
They don't seem to like, who is this guy?
hannah claire brimelow
But I think that's because he's sort of popped out of nowhere.
Well, don't throw the race card around.
We're too close to the end of the year.
No, I'm being serious.
He sort of popped out of nowhere.
I mean, a lot of people didn't know what his company did.
He wrote his book.
You know, it's all very fast.
That's why I really do think if he were to, you know, be the governor of Ohio, he can build this, you know, national name a little bit more, but also, you know, really take Ohio to an... I mean, you're from Ohio, right?
Like, he could do so much for that state and also I'm so in the moment right now.
I don't know if there's going to be another presidential election, and that's not even a joke.
a small scale first, I think it would gain trust, I think people would believe in him
more and then he can do even more when he runs again.
ian crossland
I'm so in the moment right now, I don't know if there's going to be another presidential
election and that's not even a joke.
So like I really want the best right now and he, I agree with you that the trust in Vivek
is, it's Vivek just in case.
Vivek.
james okeefe
What did I say?
unidentified
Vivek.
ian crossland
He came in like an outsider and like, okay, what's this politics stuff?
And you could see him talking and like...
Not really sure exactly.
How much should I say right away?
Let's go.
And then, as time went on, I think he became kind of a representative of what the people wanted from him.
And he started speaking massive truth to power.
And people were like, whoa, is this fake?
No, he's doing what people want him to do.
james okeefe
What was the Christie line where he's like, you sound like chat GBT when you talk?
Did you see that line?
I'm not a huge Chris Christie fan.
I thought it was kind of funny.
But it's just, it's Vivek GBT, yeah.
tim pool
Vivek sounds nothing like Chet GBT.
james okeefe
No.
tim pool
Right?
It's, it was a, it was, Chris Christie is just such a pathetic failure of a man.
Donald Trump!
ian crossland
More like Donald Duck!
tim pool
And then he smirks like, bro, that didn't land.
And he's smiling like, I got him.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, they skipped, there was like a whole section of that debate where they just skipped him.
He was so relevant.
tim pool
I know, it was amazing.
Donald Duck.
If Trump keeps ducking the issues, they're gonna call him Donald Duck.
Ah!
Threw him in my mouth a little bit.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm sold because of his economic policy, Vivix.
It's getting us away from BlackRock.
I'm not even concerned about the left-right paradigm, the Republican, Democrats, any of that.
I'm concerned with global banks trying to take over and fascize this country.
It's been happening for a hundred years.
What's it called?
The banker plot or the business plot?
What's that general's name?
That they tried to get to overthrow the U.S.
tim pool
Smedley Butler.
ian crossland
Smedley Butler.
These businessmen went to, according to Smedley himself, he blew the whistle on it, they came to him and tried to get him to stage a coup on FDR in like 1933 or something.
These businessmen, this fascist takeover.
And Smedley was like, no, I love America, I love the First Amendment, and I'm not going to do that.
And so those people, that ethos still exists in this country.
And they've been just doing it slowly, incrementally, they got us off the gold standard, you know, they got the Jekyll Island, they got the Federal Reserve set up, I don't... Jekyll Island!
Yeah, we gotta get away from these bankers, this bankers' union thing, and create a more reputable country for the people.
Something with, like, local trade... They don't want there to be country.
tim pool
They want there to be world.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm open to that, but it's got to happen judiciously.
tim pool
I'm just going to start referring to they as the enclave, you know, because what they'll try to do is when Vivek says they won't let you do it, they're like, aha, he's an anti-Semite.
No, I'm not talking about Jewish people when we say they were talking about the intelligence agencies, the wealthy corporate elites.
I'm going to try to call it the enclave.
ian crossland
I feel like if there was a cultural, if there is a cultural war, which there seems to be a cultural conflict, that if we win, if the American ethos wins, that people all over Earth will overthrow their tyrannical governments and create First Amendment rights, and gun rights, and they'll take control of their societies.
tim pool
I've got bad news for you.
Okay, we know we can sit here and talk about the importance of journalism and fear about what's to come in 2024, but the Prophet of Doom, a psychic, has predicted cyber attacks, natural disasters, and a Russia-China alliance.
Well, and the Prophet of Doom says so.
I mean, look at this guy.
He knows.
So, uh, that's it.
That's it, boys.
Pack it in.
Uh, you may as well just, uh, flee to El Salvador while you still can.
Because, uh, we're here.
ian crossland
Who is this prophet of doom?
tim pool
He claims to see into the future.
And he says that, uh, you know, there's gonna be- he's got some serious predictions.
Big floods will engulf London and Europe.
A new pandemic in Australia.
And President Vladimir Putin will trip off this mortal coil.
hannah claire brimelow
Coffee with Craig.
That's the name of the show.
tim pool
You know, what's really funny is, like, we're kind of- we're kind of making fun of this dude and everything, but what if all this stuff actually came true?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, the global cyber attack, that doesn't actually feel like very specific of a prediction for me.
It's like being like, there will be an election next year.
Like, we know all sorts of countries will have elections next year.
I wish they would have some more specific details.
The flood in London is kind of a bold choice.
tim pool
I think, right, that is a bold choice.
I think the best way to go about this would be to claim that a man from the future gave you access to information about what was going to happen, and that's what is going to happen, unless, because telling you changes history, it doesn't happen, but then it's not my fault, it's your fault, actually.
hannah claire brimelow
It is interesting, that is a nice caveat to always be like, well, because I tried to save you, you know, now everything's going to be different, I can't rely on you.
tim pool
Yeah, that was, do you guys remember John Titor?
It was a meme thing in like the 2000s.
A guy online posting on forums claiming to be from the future and showing pictures of like light bending in a time machine.
And I think he was saying that by 2008 the US would be fractured into four different countries and stuff.
But of course he was like, however, that may not happen because I've altered the timeline.
There were some really interesting and very intelligent things that he said that made people
unidentified
Oh.
hannah claire brimelow
Is he the one who said wow he like he traveled through time to like three specific points in time
He came back multiple times to warn people about things look at this. He's got a he's got a look at this
tim pool
John teeter and time travel zero pseudonyms used on internet forums between 2000 2001
But an individual claiming to be an American military time travel from
So you're saying that in 13 years we got time travel?
Their posts discussed various aspects of time travel and described future calamitous events, including a global nuclear war.
The uniform inaccuracy of their predictions and inconsistencies in their explanations has led many to view the story with skepticism.
Wait, that was it?
I kind of think if a guy goes online and says I'm from the future, that instantly disqualifies it from being true.
But, okay, like, maybe there's a .0000001% chance some time traveler is telling the truth.
It was a hoax created by Larry Haber, a Florida entertainment lawyer, and his brother John Rick Haber, a computer scientist.
The claims have never been verified, however.
ian crossland
Interesting.
hannah claire brimelow
I know it was a hoax.
ian crossland
I've read a lot about doomsayers throughout the history of humanity and it's actually more common than I think people realize.
It's so easy to say that the worst thing is going to happen and to make the claims about all the risks and how they're all going to fail and that's going to cause the end and the failure.
But I think it's way more likely that things are going to march on.
It's just a matter of staying still, surviving, having a community and things like that.
james okeefe
I'm with you on that.
I think I'm more of an optimist.
I think what a time to be alive, what a time to make a difference right now.
And the truth is so powerful.
I know it's very corny and cliche, and people are probably going to laugh at this, but you have a dark room, there's a little flame, it lights up the room.
The truth has that power, it just does, and I think it'll ultimately win as long as people are courageous enough.
to say it. And historically, and like the Soviet Union, these other
countries, they couldn't say it. They had to live by lies.
They had to pretend, even though they knew the truth, they didn't want
to say it. And as long as we have the courage to say it, in numbers, I think
ian crossland
we'll be okay. And also the ability to preserve it, which I think storing data in
orbit, like we really need to get away from these centralized servers, or at
least expand into decentralized storage.
The truth can be, unfortunately on the internet, tweaked in real time.
The truth, I call it.
hannah claire brimelow
No, that's true.
I mean, we talk about this all the time.
People like Netflix will take scenes out of shows if they decide they're unpopular or incorrect.
It's weird that we edit the content that we have.
It's like you're unable to preserve an original document, which is crazy.
It's terrifying.
Do you have any white pill predictions for 2024?
Anything particular you think positive will happen?
unidentified
White pill?
james okeefe
I like that question.
That's a good premise.
The last couple weeks of 2023 or any precursor, I think you're going to see, if there's corruption or fraud occurring, like if there's a conspiracy somewhere, I think that conspiracy will be made public for us to see.
Now we could argue whether that's going to make a difference.
That's a different conversation.
So if there's voter fraud, and I don't know if there's going to be enough of it,
but if there is, I think we'll see it.
hannah claire brimelow
In 2024?
james okeefe
Yeah, in other words, we'll be able to see the fraud happening on the inside.
The whistleblowers will come public, they'll reveal it on video, incontrovertible.
And now whether that's going to be shocking enough to people who, like for example, hate orange men,
you know, bad.
hannah claire brimelow
Very, very bad.
james okeefe
Then I don't know, but I think we'll be able to see it in a way that we've never seen it before.
And we're seeing it right, it's like, we're going to see it in a way
we've never seen it before.
I've never seen anything like it.
ian crossland
Are you familiar with the apocalypse from the Bible?
Like it's a biblical prophecy.
Vaguely.
They call it the end times.
Who knows what that actually means if the calendar is just resetting or something.
But it basically means apocalypse means the great revealment.
Things are being revealed.
And so what do you think about things like neural net where people are plugging into machines and we can share our thoughts?
james okeefe
I don't know anything about that.
ian crossland
Well, it's just Elon's way of making brain-computer interface a little better than using fingers.
You can use your thoughts to communicate on the machine now.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like neural net would be the worst thing for whistleblowers, right?
Like if the government or whoever was plugged into your brain, you start thinking, maybe I want to say something about what's going on wherever I am.
james okeefe
Well, the reports today, Ashley St.
Clair reported that the American Airlines, one of the airlines, was forcing people to download something onto their phone.
hannah claire brimelow
The pilots, yeah.
james okeefe
Whether they're talking to James O'Keefe or not.
And I just tweeted out, just go to Walmart and buy another phone and just download Signal.
But there are efforts like this.
But even that, you know, in these other countries, historically, no dissent was permitted at all.
And now you're seeing the opposite effect.
You know, Orwell feared the truth would be concealed from us.
Huxley feared the truth would be drowned out in a sea of irrelevance.
So the question, Tim's point I think was on point, which is that our audience have become so segmented.
How do you convince the people that don't agree with you?
Don't just play to your audience, play to the people who don't agree.
And to the white pill question, I think, I believe, still believe, that if you expose the truth in such a way, it'll convince the people that don't agree with me.
Like, for example, the story on Pfizer or BlackRock or even voter fraud.
The problem with the voter fraud I've heard from the right is that I don't think anyone's ever actually proved it.
I think it's all circumstantial evidence.
I mean, can you name a case where we've really actually proved incontrovertible evidence of massive voting fraud?
I haven't seen that.
I haven't seen that.
ian crossland
Massive?
That's, I guess, the fine mask.
james okeefe
Enough to swing an election?
I personally haven't.
I mean, there's different ways that they coerce, you know, propaganda, the media, but You know what I'm saying?
I think that there's going to be people on the inside in 2024 recording this stuff, and there's nothing they can do to stop it.
ian crossland
Hypothetically, would you support a technology that just blows everyone's minds open so that we can read every human's brain?
james okeefe
I hadn't even thought about the implications of that.
hannah claire brimelow
Would you?
Would you support that?
unidentified
Yes.
Why?
ian crossland
Because we're going to destroy ourselves if we don't.
unidentified
That's my thought.
hannah claire brimelow
You don't think people have the right to the privacy of their own thoughts?
ian crossland
Well, no.
unidentified
Not anymore.
Why?
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like that's so authoritarian.
Look what we've done to ourselves.
ian crossland
Look what people did with that.
The secrecy and destruction and slavitude that they've done to humans.
It's horrific.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't like a world where I'm obligated to let anyone read my mind.
That sounds terrifying.
ian crossland
I just think that they thought that it's your mind is like kind of out of cont—like our thoughts are not our own.
tim pool
It's our mind.
ian crossland
It is our mind.
hannah claire brimelow
It's the global mind.
ian crossland
I mean, obviously, we have autonomy as bodies.
tim pool
My little pony, it's our little pony.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, not really.
If it's not my mind, it's not my body, right?
I mean, where do you draw this line?
Also, to my point before, that would completely blow up a whistleblower system, right?
If your thoughts were public to everyone, we would never have anyone come forward because, theoretically, they would immediately be imprisoned if they even thought about saying, hey, I should report this to someone.
ian crossland
But the corruption would never happen because if someone tried to ruin the system with the whole species, the entire species would be like policing itself at all times.
hannah claire brimelow
Kind of.
Whoever's on the top of that structure would be policing it.
ian crossland
I don't think there is a top if it's all connected.
tim pool
So I don't think it's a good thing, but I think Ian presents a possible future that we've actually talked about on The Culture War.
The way I describe it is with AI, with Neuralink and all this stuff, what eventually happens is humans will be treated like single cells in a multicellular organism.
So, take a look at single cells, right?
They're all running around doing crazy whosits and whatnots.
They're eating stuff and making more themselves.
They're independent in and of themselves.
Multicellular organisms, all the cells have clearly defined roles.
And within the multicellular organism, like each and every one of us here, sometimes there are rogue actors that want to be free.
They want to be free and they want to do whatever they want to do.
And what do we call that?
ian crossland
Cancer?
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Disease?
ian crossland
And what do we do to pathogens?
Usually we consume them with white blood cells.
tim pool
We destroy them.
And so in a future where we're all neural linked and we're all being given our roles
and to each according to their need and from each according to their capabilities,
what ends up happening then is this nightmare dystopia where you rip the neural link out of your neck
and you're like, I just wanna be me.
And then you're hunted down by law enforcement who are all AI linked mindless drones.
And then they destroy you, liquify your body and convert you into resource.
ian crossland
I don't think you'd ever wanna disengage from the species.
Cancer exists.
That's true.
And maybe what I'm saying is I'm looking at stripping humanity of joy and pain and love and hate and all these things that make it so wonderful but awful to be a human.
But at the same time, man, those kids pulling cobalt out of the mines in Africa where people are just like, no, no, no, no, no, let's not look at that.
Like, come on, man.
It's like, how many thousands of kids are getting poisoned right now?
Clawin' at that stuff for us to get our cell phones.
tim pool
And yes.
And now do you weep for the skin cells that die and are flaked off your body?
In an AI neural net world, when your brain is plugged into the machine, you'll know all about it and you will not care.
The people who are mining the cobalt won't care either.
They'll just be the dead cells flaking off into the wind.
ian crossland
But I feel like we would be working out of our way to make sure humans don't have to suffer through that stuff if we were all one unit.
tim pool
If your brain is linked to a neural net where everyone is like one hive, they wouldn't be suffering.
There would no longer be a you.
There would be mindless drones.
unidentified
I don't know if they'd be mindless.
tim pool
They'd be mindless.
james okeefe
I don't think we have to worry about this prior to November 24, correct?
ian crossland
I think you're right.
james okeefe
I think let's take it one year at a time, because there's a lot going on.
You want to answer these big philosophical questions with us?
It's a fascinating Pandora's box, but to get back to this coming, this is the last show of the year, right Tim?
tim pool
This is the last show of the year.
james okeefe
So a truly free press empowers people to make decisions for themselves, and that's what this movement is all about.
You know, the press is putting things in simplifications and stereotypes and obfuscation and all types of carefully woven tapestry of words that obfuscate.
And then you just have Elon Musk's ex and whistleblowers.
And this is all about empowering people to make decisions because they have access to information they previously did not.
And it's the lack of transparency in the world that is the advantage to the evil. So the
theory, the white pill, is by making the world more transparent than it's ever been. Not
mind shit, I don't even know about that, that's a metaphysical thing that I have to really, I have
to sleep on that.
But let's just take it to the next level.
Just having access to inside of airlines, inside of the DHS, inside the IRS, inside the FBI, if those walls could talk.
Imagine if the American people could see that and hear that for themselves.
Imagine that!
I actually think that whatever the outcome would be, would be the correct one.
But right now people have no idea what's happening and we're debating facts.
The greatest tragedy of modern society is we debate facts.
Why are we debating facts?
We shouldn't be.
hannah claire brimelow
But we've made so many things subjective, right?
james okeefe
They shouldn't be.
hannah claire brimelow
They shouldn't be, but there is a whole whole bent of like, I mean, I'll bring it up every show, but the gender stuff, right?
Saying, well, gender is different than sex, and this is why you can feel this way, but actually this is not.
james okeefe
That's one thing.
I think that there's economic incentive to focus on these kind of issues that divide people.
hannah claire brimelow
So wouldn't that be true for anything that is a fact that people try to manipulate?
They probably have an incentive to do so?
james okeefe
Corruptive coercive power of the federal government the weaponization of the federal government innocent Americans I think these are winning issues and the majority of people.
I also think chopping off private parts off little boy That's a winning issue 90% people think that's wrong I think if people could see and hear the stench the rot for themselves.
That's why I'm a white pill guy Because I know it's going to happen It's already happening.
hannah claire brimelow
And you have people who come from inside and come out and tell you, hey, I want to talk about this because I think it's wrong.
That must be a very uplifting experience.
james okeefe
It's a heavy experience.
It's heavy.
And actually, Tim, one of the things I've learned is that, you know, we were talking about this off air, is that it's hard for Yeah, I gotta be careful who I surround myself with.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
james okeefe
You know, after what I've been through, and I've got all these people contacting me, I gotta make sure people on my team, close to me, I can trust them.
tim pool
Are people possessed?
ian crossland
By parasites, yeah.
james okeefe
I believe so.
tim pool
Look, the stuff I've learned about your story, the stuff I've experienced, It feels like one day a demon enters their brain and takes them over.
ian crossland
Dude, I think there are literal parasites in your gut.
I'm about to do some combo.
It's this toad venom and apparently you puke up parasites and they just come out.
Luke Rukowski has a We Are Change video from seven years ago.
tim pool
I think there's much simpler ways.
The combo stuff is about like experiencing death or something.
ian crossland
Yeah, but also a purge.
It's a purge of this shit that's controlling you.
hannah claire brimelow
Is this what you're doing for Christmas, Ian?
unidentified
No!
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
ian crossland
Ho ho ho, baby, yeah.
Take me there.
tim pool
I'm not into the weird hippy-dippy injecting yourself with thought.
james okeefe
What I've learned is my fight, and many fights like this, it's almost like a fight against human nature.
It's almost like a fight against self-interest.
For goodness, or for truth, or for...
you know, not betraying your conscience.
And there's a lot of people out there where the world is governed by people
pursuing their own self-interest.
So if you're gonna run against that tide, you better make sure that people who are around you
share those values or your partner shares your values.
If you're gonna be on a mission against self-interest.
And I think that's what it's going to take.
You mentioned the Founding Fathers.
Was their lives a fortune, sacred honor?
tim pool
Blood, treasure, and sacred honor.
james okeefe
Blood, treasure.
And they did that for each other.
tim pool
They were risking their children.
james okeefe
Their children.
tim pool
These are guys who were wealthy, had families, and they could have said, look, if we remain loyalists, the king will take care of us and we let everyone else burn.
Instead, they said, I will stand with the people of my community, even though they had land.
Landed gentry.
And they told the king to screw off.
hannah claire brimelow
And they felt their children were at risk either way, right?
tim pool
What future will I leave for my children?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Ben Franklin lost his kid.
His son, William, refused to ever speak to him again because his son was a loyalist.
He wouldn't leave.
hannah claire brimelow
But this is such a modern experience.
ian crossland
I gotta do what's right.
It's my own son.
hannah claire brimelow
I think we all know people whose families don't speak to each other because of politics, right?
I know people who are like, if you voted for Trump, I'll never speak to you again, right?
This is something we still experience today, but if you believe that your country is at risk, if you believe the future of the people you love could be damaged by an outcome, don't you feel morally obligated to act?
tim pool
William Franklin.
Was imprisoned by patriots from 76 to 78, and he was the chief leader of the Loyalists in New York City organizing military units to fight back on the side of the British.
He went to exile in Britain and lived in London until his death.
ian crossland
And never saw him again.
tim pool
Crazy.
ian crossland
That's a wild sacrifice.
james okeefe
Sometimes doing the right thing and the hard thing are the same thing.
I'm looking at a tip right now, I can't tell you what it is or who it is or where it is, but it's big, and I get these every ten minutes.
Quote, I don't know if this is major news, James, but I thought I would just do the right thing.
It reminds me of a quote by the big tobacco whistleblower, Jeffrey Wigand, 1990s, asked by Mike Wallace, why are you doing this?
He gave up everything.
He goes, because it's right.
He said, because it's right.
So there are very, well, we could all agree that that's a very tiny fraction of humans Who would do that and say that.
Therefore, Tim, my fight is a fight against human nature in many regards.
And you said demonically possessed.
When you're fighting against, and we all have demons, right?
Every single one of us, unless you're a liar.
We all have things that we're ashamed of, perhaps, that we've done.
But if you're fighting for good, what's gonna happen when you're fighting for good?
You're gonna be faced with, Tim, you're gonna be faced with Bad people doing bad things and saying bad things and demons you could say?
ian crossland
When you say right and wrong I feel like that's should always be up for debate because like transparency for the sake of transparency I'm not into anymore.
I've considered it throughout life but like national defense weapons programs like the Manhattan Project we could not if people have blown the whistle on that and given the specs to oh we talked about this at turning point if they'd revealed open source the data for the nuclear bomb and Hitler got it and built it first we'd all be speaking Hang on, you, the guy who just pitched that all of our thoughts should be public, are nodded to transparency for transparency's sake?
If you could flip a switch, maybe, but, uh, maybe, but, uh...
Yeah, yeah.
There's some things where you need... I'm not following.
That's a good point, thank you.
james okeefe
But the journalist is... There's a book written about this called The Custodians of Conscience.
The Custodians of Conscience.
The information revealer forms the moral values by releasing the information, testing and affirming what is and what is not moral.
You realize that by going, oh, I called my company OMG.
Oh my God!
Like when the Pfizer guy is saying, we make fake things to lie to customers to make money, or BlackRock saying we control the world, we bribe politicians.
Okay, that's wrong.
And that's the kind of role of transparency, is it not?
To test and affirm what is and what is not moral by revealing information that shocks the conscience.
You're the custodian of the public's conscience.
ian crossland
Quantum encryption hacking is a big technology.
Like 2028, we're going to start seeing people be able to go in and like, Open up the last 20 years of your bank records like everyone on earth their bank like and and so is that Conscionable to do it is it cuz I don't know it just to some and not to others Do people need to know that it's happening is the question right?
james okeefe
Do people know that that's occurring or should they know that that's occurring?
ian crossland
I think so, but sometimes Yes, in that instance yes.
Sometimes there are things that are happening that if people know they panic and that could do more harm than keeping them in the dark.
james okeefe
Then that's the balance that you have to strike as the publisher of the information.
Some things should not be, some things ought to be kept secret.
But I think you derive your sense of morality through the reporting process, and the public changes their sense of what is right and wrong based upon whether it tugs at their conscience.
The word is conscience, I would say.
tim pool
You know what people don't remember is the Declaration of Dependence.
ian crossland
Water, tell me about it.
tim pool
It's always Sonny and Philadelphia made the joke where they envisioned back in the olden days during the revolutionary period and Mac and Dennis are scared that the rebellion in Philadelphia will result in them losing their bar or whatever.
So they're like, we need to tell the British that we support them!
And so they bring the Declaration of Dependence, but it's actually just a crude drawing of someone raping the queen or something like that.
But there actually was a Loyalist Declaration, and I'm trying to be careful because I don't know too much about it, but I have this from the New York Historical Society Museum Library.
It was the Loyalist Petition to the Crown.
That some people refer to as the Declaration of Dependence, where the Loyalists said they had risked their lives and fortunes opposing the most unnatural, unprovoked rebellion that ever disgraced the annals of time.
The Loyalists sought some level of distinction from the inhabitants in general.
They were asking the Crown to alleviate them of the martial law as they were Loyalists.
The funny thing is, the Crown ignored them.
There you go.
It is what it is.
ian crossland
So they appealed to the authority, and what, does that show that that authority was evil because it ignored their pleas?
tim pool
Well, it's funny because the Patriots were like, the king is an oppressive force.
And then the Loyalists were like, king, we're on your side, help us.
And he was an oppressive force on them too.
So, yeah, get what you get.
But, you know, I bring this up because we don't sit here and talk about the men who risked their fortunes to serve the crown.
No one cares about those guys.
hannah claire brimelow
The British people care about them.
tim pool
Yeah, no, they don't.
Like, when I was talking to Carl Benjamin, I was like, you guys, like, what's the thought in Britain on the American Revolution?
He's like, mate, our history is like, what is it, like 1,200 years.
Like, this was like a small 20-year period in 1,000-year history.
hannah claire brimelow
You're a blip on our radar.
tim pool
It's like it happened, but we had a lot of colonies.
We learned about all the colonies we had, not just you.
He didn't say it exactly like that, but he was basically saying it.
ian crossland
I like the Indian Revolution that Gandhi led, because that was non-violent, essentially.
I don't know too much about it, actually.
I'd love to learn more about it.
tim pool
Well, I gotta say the colonization of India is, I think, perhaps one of the greatest things that has ever happened, because it resulted in chicken tikka masala and butter chicken, of course, which were invented in London, but nonetheless inspired by India.
ian crossland
Cumin?
tim pool
I guess.
ian crossland
Turmeric.
Delicious.
Coriander?
Apparently yoga was like a military training exercise back in the day.
tim pool
I didn't know this.
Well it's like a religious spiritual thing.
ian crossland
But it came from actual, that's why they call it like warrior one, like there's actual, they wouldn't let women do it and it was just for warrior training, like for military training.
Stretching, all these things to get ready for battle.
tim pool
You know what I love in the UK?
Yorkie bars.
Not for girls.
What's that?
Yorkie is a chocolate bar and it says not for girls.
And there's a picture of a girl and it's circled a line through it.
No.
Girls can't have it.
I don't think they could do that in the United States.
I think it'd be illegal.
Anyway, we're going to Super Chat, so if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, My friends, this is it!
The final show of 2023, because after this, it's Christmas.
I hope you all have a Merry Christmas.
This is a Christmas travel weekend.
It's going to be a nightmare for everybody.
And then we're off for the rest of the week.
You know, basically the way it works, especially with Christmas falling on... It's on Monday, right?
It is literally impossible to do shows.
Nothing we can do about it.
So like, I think the first year we were like, no, no, no, we'll do, we'll like, obviously Christmas off, but we'll try and get people.
Nobody, nobody will come.
unidentified
Nobody.
tim pool
I mean, come on.
What sane person is like, yes, I'd like to travel after Christmas from my family's house straight to your studio to do a show and then have New Year's in a different city.
It just doesn't happen.
hannah claire brimelow
I would love to go through the airport at that time of year.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
Nobody wants to do it.
ian crossland
Spend some time with your friends.
And if you have friends that don't have a place to go, invite them over.
tim pool
Yeah, New Year's.
This will be fun.
Let's read some Super Chats!
Alright, Shane H. Wilder says, Merry Christmas, everybody.
Hope it's a joyful one.
Jackson Glass, with not a single word, but won the first Super Chat.
Congratulations, sir.
ian crossland
Nice job, Jackson.
tim pool
Oh, I want to let you guys know something, too.
For everybody who bought the song, Um, uh, uh, together again.
The first week is, is over.
This is launch week.
We're now, I, I, I don't know if the billboard charts come out Tuesday or next week, the week after Tuesday, which would be January 2nd.
Not sure.
But we are going to email every single person that bought the song with a promo code for 35% off Cast Brew because some people were unsure how to do it and how to use it.
And then we're going to extend just For one, we really do want you to buy the coffee.
So it's like, it's a promo for us.
But just to make sure, there were a lot of people emailed in saying, I'm not quite sure how to get it.
Don't worry about it.
We're gonna send everybody an email.
You'll get your code, and you can buy all the coffee at a huge discount.
Thank you so much for supporting us and buying the song.
This was the biggest release we have done yet.
It was more sales, more views, more everything.
I owe a lot of that to the Daily Wire crew.
Jeremy Boring and Michael Knowles also helped push.
Considering they have the writing credit on it, it's like, The lyrics were all theirs.
It was inspired by their song, though we'd made a different version of it.
They are absolutely a part of helping promote it, so shout out to the Daily Wire crew.
All right, NeuroDivergence says, James, ex-dancer here giving you moonwalk props.
james okeefe
I can moonwalk, I can breakdance, I can sing Oklahoma, and I'm coming back to Tim's studio to produce some music.
unidentified
Absolutely.
james okeefe
That's a great story.
I also, I do dance parties.
I went to the AmFest trying to sell journalism classes, and I sold out my class, but A thousand people asked me where's my next James O'Keefe party, so we may need to have those regularly every month.
We're gonna sell the tickets.
It'll be the greatest thing you've ever seen.
Have you seen O'Keefe dance?
Okay, okay.
It's like you wouldn't believe.
Okay.
tim pool
You've got three weeks.
You need to set up a party in Iowa.
james okeefe
Iowa?
tim pool
Caucus.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that would be so fun.
james okeefe
A party in Iowa?
Actually, that's not a bad idea.
tim pool
January 15th caucus.
Everyone's gonna be there.
james okeefe
We're actually... January 15th?
tim pool
We're working out the details for IRL live.
It's all preliminary.
james okeefe
My chief of staff is gonna hate me.
I'm sending him.
tim pool
I mean, look, look, we get hit up and we're like, would you guys want it?
Like, hey, I got an idea for you.
Doot IRL from the Iowa Caucus.
And we're like, that is a good idea.
james okeefe
So it's the Iowa Caucus is what day?
The 15th.
O'Keefe Iowa Caucus Dance Party.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
But hold on.
And Super Tuesday, March 5th, James O'Keefe Super Tuesday, Super Party.
james okeefe
Super Tuesday, where?
What state?
tim pool
Oh, you got to pick one.
james okeefe
March 5th?
tim pool
Because you've got Super Tuesday!
It's in so many different states!
james okeefe
We'll figure it out.
tim pool
Texas?
Is Texas Super Tuesday?
hannah claire brimelow
Checking.
ian crossland
Did you guys put on a Slayer after show at AmFest?
I got invited out, but we were already- Did you go?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
We got a jet back, so I missed it.
james okeefe
It sounded awesome.
You missed an unbelievable party.
unidentified
Dang.
james okeefe
I don't know what happened.
I guess it's just O'Keefe parties are lit.
Let's go to the next one.
tim pool
Patriot Punk Network says, I am the Patriot Punk from the Patriot Punk Network.
James is my hero.
We just released a new expose on a corrupt sheriff in Tennessee.
Please give a shout out to PCSOE.
I'm sorry, PCSO exposed to help us fight corruption.
Shout out!
There you go.
hannah claire brimelow
Texas isn't Super Tuesday, but it's Alabama, Alaska, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Iowa, Maine, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Tennessee, oh no, Texas is on here, Utah, Vermont, Virginia.
james okeefe
Maybe Texas, Texas?
unidentified
Tennessee.
james okeefe
Tennessee, Nashville.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
james okeefe
Nashville's where it's at.
unidentified
In Nashville, Super Tuesday is a cute dance party.
tim pool
Ben Shapiro shows up, just dominates the dance floor.
james okeefe
But it's what's really funny is everyone always makes fun of the dancing.
tim pool
Oh, he lives in Florida, sorry.
james okeefe
Everyone's always like, oh, the theater, and then they secretly DM it.
Can I get a ticket to the party, though?
tim pool
Every time.
They rag on it.
james okeefe
Your secret is safe with me, okay?
They check my sources.
tim pool
They rag on it and then they go, James, James, moonwalk, moonwalk.
james okeefe
It's like that scene where they're throwing rocks at Michael J. Fox, he's doing the moonwalk.
They love when I do the moonwalk.
Yeah, Michael Jackson.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Jay Marie says, James O'Keefe has huge... What is this?
Wevos?
unidentified
Huevos.
tim pool
Sorry.
unidentified
Huevos.
tim pool
Oh, they spelled it W-E-V-O-S.
james okeefe
I know what they meant.
It's spelled with a J. Because I'm like, you guys need to grow a pair of balls.
But I'm a woman.
I don't have balls.
Huevos.
Huevos.
Testicular fortitude.
ian crossland
Fertilize your eggs.
tim pool
Huevos is eggs.
So that works for the ladies.
james okeefe
Eggs.
unidentified
Balls.
james okeefe
It's a metaphor.
But no, I'm saying that works for the ladies.
I think they may have been referencing something I've said in various... I was just poking fun for spelling it W-E-V-O-S.
Oh, they spelled it like that.
tim pool
That's weird.
I believe it's J-U-E-V-O-S.
That's H. Huevos.
It's H?
unidentified
Huevos.
ian crossland
Huevos.
tim pool
See, I don't even know how to spell it.
What do we got?
Here we are.
Um, MrWiseGuyPlays says, Will you read this?
The answer is yes.
I play games and share my opinions.
It's only a hobby for now.
It's called MrWiseGuy.
Three channels.
It's W-H-Y-Z.
Interesting.
ian crossland
Good luck.
tim pool
Good sir.
Beep-beep says, James, are you still looking for an EA, or has that role been filled?
james okeefe
No, it has not been filled, and part of the challenge, I do extreme vetting, okay?
I had 200 resumes.
Still open, you can apply at O'Keefe.
My email is james.o'keefe.mediagroup.com.
Please send me a cover letter.
It has to be specific about why you want to work there, and a resume, james.o'keefe.mediagroup.com, if you want to be the EA.
Position's in New Jersey right now.
And you have to be willing to travel all the time.
tim pool
Do you sing, James?
I do.
Are there any songs, like top 40s, you know off the top of your head?
james okeefe
Top 40 right now?
tim pool
Yeah.
james okeefe
I don't even off the top of my head know what's on the top 40, but you know.
tim pool
I just mean like big songs that something that Ian might know how to play.
james okeefe
Um...
tim pool
I know, this is tough.
james okeefe
How about that song by Miley Cyrus, Flowers?
tim pool
I don't think Ian knows how to play Flowers.
ian crossland
I can look up the chords of any song pretty much you name if I know what I can play.
hannah claire brimelow
That one has like three chords.
tim pool
While they're looking this up, Gamer Wenis says, Infringed was great.
Worth the watch.
Thanks for all your hard work.
Merry Christmas.
It was.
It was super good.
Super good.
And maybe what we'll do is now that it's had its run basically, we did the promo, we can release it on the TimCast channel.
for like a couple bucks.
Like, so you go on YouTube and they have this thing where it's like, you can pay a couple bucks and it'll play for you.
I think that, yeah, that'd be pretty cool.
We could probably just do that.
That way it's like, you know, it goes from the movie theaters, then the video store and then, you know, whatever, that'll be what we'll do.
And so we could do the same with Game of Money and put them up on YouTube for like $1.99 or something.
ian crossland
Oh, that's a great idea.
tim pool
Yeah, and people can watch them.
That'd be very cool.
Yeah, yeah, we're working on more.
We got more awesome stuff to come.
Andrew Ho says, everyone forgets the great predictor movie Die Hard 4 that educated us on the fire sail cyber attack to wipe out the power grid, drain social security monetary resources, etc.
It was good.
Yep, I like that movie.
hannah claire brimelow
Don't people think one of the Die Hards is a Christmas movie?
tim pool
The first one.
hannah claire brimelow
The first one?
tim pool
Because it happens during Christmas.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
I've never seen it, so I can't weigh in.
tim pool
It's a semantic argument.
What is a Christmas movie?
Is a Christmas movie a movie about someone going through the process of Christmas and Santa comes and then they have presents?
Or is a Christmas movie a movie that is set at Christmas time?
Right.
Or involving Christmas as a component of the story.
hannah claire brimelow
Hmm, interesting.
ian crossland
I think it's if it's about Christmas because if you Like, played a rock song in the country.
It wouldn't be a country song, just because it's in the country.
tim pool
But that's not what we're saying, right?
Is Jurassic Park a dinosaur movie?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Of course!
It's about dinosaurs, right?
But what if there was, um, is Godzilla a dinosaur movie?
ian crossland
Technically, I guess, maybe?
tim pool
This is where people are like, well yeah, Godzilla's basically a dinosaur, a gigantic monster lizard, you know, rampaging.
If you made a movie about a giant monster, like a giant T-Rex rampaging through city streets, would you call it a dinosaur movie?
And it's like, well, a dinosaur's in it, but it's like a part of the story.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's not a dinosaur movie, that's a good point.
tim pool
But this is what the argument is.
Die Hard happens during Christmas, and Christmas is a theme.
It's a Christmas party, and then they make Christmas references.
But it's not a movie about delivering presents to your family.
Is Home Alone a Christmas movie?
hannah claire brimelow
I always think it is.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
Then Die Hard is.
Because Home Alone's a movie about a kid who gets left at home.
The Christmas element of it is meaningless.
And that was during Christmas, too.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and they leave him because of Christmas.
They're traveling as a family, so it affects the plot.
tim pool
So everyone agrees it's a Christmas movie, but at what point in the movie is it like, you gotta race to get the presents, and then there is where he meets Santa and everything, I get that.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
And Donald Trump makes an appearance in one of those movies, right?
tim pool
Second one.
Lost in New York.
Was that a Christmas movie?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, because they all happen at Christmas, right?
tim pool
So then Die Hard is, too.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like all the kid does is mercilessly maim and wound two burglars.
You know what I mean?
hannah claire brimelow
It's a crime-fighting Christmas movie.
That's very interesting.
ian crossland
But hold on, hold on.
tim pool
Merry Christmas and Home Alone are like almost the same movie.
ian crossland
Never saw Merry Christmas.
tim pool
What is, what is, what is, um...
What's Die Hard Guy's name?
Wow, I can't believe I forgot his name.
ian crossland
The actor?
tim pool
No, no, the character.
John McClane.
ian crossland
McClane, yeah.
tim pool
What is he doing?
He's sneaking around, playing pranks on these terrorists, right?
It's a bit more direct, but the terrorists, like, walk in the room and then the walkie-talkie goes off and they come in and then he just beats the crap out of them and then he's got the gun taped to his back.
It's the same story!
You know?
Kind of.
ian crossland
Die Hard and Home Alone.
hannah claire brimelow
James, what if he doesn't agree that Die Hard is a Christmas movie?
tim pool
He's got his shirt off, and he's got a gun duct-taped to his back, and then he's like, yippee-ki-yay, and he grabs it.
hannah claire brimelow
Just like Santa.
tim pool
Just like when the paint can falls down and hits Murray in the face.
unidentified
Love that scene.
hannah claire brimelow
Interesting.
ian crossland
He steps on the broken glass.
tim pool
You guys remember when Family Guy spoofed Home Alone?
hannah claire brimelow
No.
tim pool
They like walk in the house and the one guy's like, a paint can swings down.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Oh, that was weird.
And he's like, yeah, there was some glue on the porch, but I just walked over it.
Yeah, the doorknob was hot.
I just let go.
And then the kid, Kevin McCallister, goes, ha ha, I've got you now.
And he goes, bang, and just shoots him.
And he's like, all right, you want to steal stuff?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They're like, now home alone with competent burglars.
unidentified
It's great.
tim pool
Then there's like no witnesses or whatever.
unidentified
It's so funny.
tim pool
Where we at?
Let's grab, uh, what is this?
Is This Dom says Rothschild LLC bought a large amount of Boeing shares today.
Black Rock State Street and others boosted their existing Boeing holdings as well.
They're gearing up for World War III.
Maybe, but the implication is if they're buying stock, they don't intend the world to fail.
They think at some point someone will want to buy those stocks as well.
unidentified
So.
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, that's the thing.
When people start buying up water, like if, I don't know, like Mark Zuckerberg was going to spend $250 million on say like a Hawaiian emergency underground bunker with like massive private security, then I'd be worried, right?
It's concerning, yeah.
Oh wait, he did that.
Anyway, no, to be fair, Zuckerberg bought a massive mansion on one of the westernmost islands of Hawaii, and it includes a 5,000 square foot bunker.
The media makes it seem more like he's building a quarter billion dollar emergency bunker in the middle of nowhere.
To be fair, however, most of the ultra-wealthy are doing that.
So, you know, as soon as they start flying to New Zealand, or to Montana, to their mountain bunkers, I think a bunch of them have deep mountain bunkers in, like, Wyoming and Montana.
james okeefe
Watch what they do, not what they say.
tim pool
Exactly.
They're like, everything is fine, the stocks are great, and they're doing a live feed as they're lowering into, like, a submarine, going to their underwater... Exactly.
Well, you know, rumor is, the ultra-wealthy have built a city underwater.
hannah claire brimelow
I thought it was under the Denver airport.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
They built it underwater.
Where they can be free from regulation.
Yeah, they call it Rapture.
ian crossland
I want to go there.
tim pool
We make, every single day on this show, we make Bioshock references.
Every day, in the chat, there's a poll, would you kindly share and like the show?
Would you kindly?
unidentified
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know what Bioshock is.
tim pool
One of the best video games ever made.
ian crossland
Badass first person shooter RPG.
It's awesome.
tim pool
It's a sci-fi fantasy based off of like objectivist ideas from like the Fountainhead and Atlas
Shrugged.
That's cool.
The boss is actually is literally named Atlas.
And the story is basically ultra wealthy people build a city underwater to escape regulation
and a core component of the story is that gene splicing becomes rampant because there's
no regulations and people are injecting themselves with genetic modification that gives them
And so, in the first one, I love it, in the original Bioshock, because you'll get like, you'll get, I forget what they're called, it's been so long since I played it, but it actually shows the arms, and then it goes like, and sticks the needle in the arm, and then fire comes out of his hand.
But then when they did Bioshock Infinite, he's drinking a soda.
ian crossland
That's how he gets it, is he drinks it?
tim pool
Yeah, in the Bajaj Infinite, I think they were like, the injecting into the arm is not very family-friendly.
He cracks a soda and drinks it, and it's like, ah, come on.
But then some people end up becoming deranged from splicing, and so they're like, and they're all messed up.
ian crossland
Regulation and all bad.
unidentified
That's true.
tim pool
What do we got?
Gabriel Lopez says a country is not an idea of a piece of paper.
They are a people.
If you switch the entire population of U.S.
and Brazil, the Constitution will be taken down overnight and everything would be- would Brazilify.
Immigration, legal or illegal, will kill Americans.
It's over.
A country is its people.
That's right.
Did you figure out how to play Miley Cyrus?
ian crossland
I have the chords, I just don't know the rhythm.
james okeefe
We could sing something more simple like, Oh What a Beautiful Morning.
Is that too old school?
ian crossland
I like it.
james okeefe
It's very simple, it's very... This is your big break, James.
tim pool
You better not screw it up.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a Friday night dance session with James O'Keefe!
james okeefe
This is from like 1939 right now.
How about House of the Rising Sun?
House of the Rising Sun?
tim pool
That one's easy.
What are the chords for that?
A... What is that?
A, C, D, F?
james okeefe
I'm a bass too, so it's gotta be low octave.
ian crossland
Wow, there's a lot of chords in Oh What a Beautiful Morning.
james okeefe
There is a house.
tim pool
House of the Rising Sun.
You know the words House of the Rising Sun.
ian crossland
I'm not gonna be able to play that one.
tim pool
House of the Rising Sun?
ian crossland
How's that I can play that one?
unidentified
Yeah, it's four chords.
ian crossland
I think I gotta tune this.
tim pool
It should.
Yeah, it might have slipped.
james okeefe
There is a house in New Orleans.
tim pool
What is it?
A minor, C, D, F?
unidentified
Is that what it is?
tim pool
A minor, C, D, F?
unidentified
There is... Yeah, well, it is...
ian crossland
A minor, C, D, F, then it goes A minor, E, A minor, E. Yep.
That's probably the chorus or something?
tim pool
No, that is just like the last part of the, uh, And God I know I'm one.
That's the A minor, E, A minor.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
tim pool
A minor, E, A minor, E. Yeah, let's rock.
Or is it E, A minor, E, A minor?
ian crossland
Think you got a pick over there or anything?
tim pool
Of course!
ian crossland
Nice!
You come prepared, homie!
tim pool
What room is this?
ian crossland
I should have one on me, thanks.
tim pool
We are going to close out this year with a very short, very simple Friday Night Jam session.
James O'Keefe brings you House of the Rising Sun.
james okeefe
I knew the first part of this song.
Is it just a repeat of the first part?
What is happening?
This is great.
ian crossland
You want to pull up the lyrics?
james okeefe
I got the lyrics.
unidentified
Why are we not doing a Christmas show?
I'll just do that again. No, no.
tim pool
No, no, you didn't play it right.
ian crossland
That's what it says here.
unidentified
There is, there is a house down in New Orleans.
They call the rising sun.
tim pool
Give yourself double the room so we can get the reverb when you're singing it.
james okeefe
And it's been the ruin of many a poor boy.
unidentified
And God, I know I'm wrong.
james okeefe
Same thing, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh my gosh, Tim's joining in on guitar, everybody.
james okeefe
How long since I've heard this song?
unidentified
Are we allowed to play it on the show?
tim pool
I don't know.
james okeefe
Is it the mother?
unidentified
Yeah.
Mother, she was a sailor.
She saw Molly in my dreams.
My father was a gamblin' man.
Down, way down, all day.
Keep it goin', kids.
I don't know where I am there.
ian crossland
This is like an interlude.
james okeefe
We're going to be back to the beginning or down?
unidentified
Now the only thing.
james okeefe
Now the only thing, ready?
unidentified
Now the only thing a gambling man ever needs is a suitcase, Lord, a suitcase and a truck.
james okeefe
And the only time a fool like him is satisfied is when he's all stone cold, stone cold drunk.
Back to the beginning?
unidentified
Sure.
Ready?
Almost.
Almost.
Oh shit, let's just go right into it.
There is a house way down in New Orleans They call the rising sun
And it's been the rule of many a poor boy And God, I know I'm not the only one
But I know I'm not the only one Second place?
the polls.
No, that one's it.
Did you already get the ball and chain part?
james okeefe
I think that's good.
tim pool
There we go.
What a fun new band!
ian crossland
I've got an original I'd like to play for you guys.
It's the first song I ever wrote.
tim pool
James and the Crosslands.
ian crossland
Yeah, check this out.
I'll sing it up top, I'll play it down here.
First song I ever wrote.
It's called On Walking.
Oh thanks, Serge.
Serge is gonna throw me a microphone.
tim pool
I think the single mic works as long as it's right in between and you back up a little.
ian crossland
Yeah, I can do it.
tim pool
Yeah, these are podcast mics, so if you want to sing into them, you pull them back so that you get the room, you know.
unidentified
♪ It's a little too low, though.
ian crossland
What is?
tim pool
To get your voice.
Actually, you're probably good.
You're probably good.
unidentified
You're probably good.
Don't you pick me up on the road again.
We're all just friends.
Human.
Being there.
All alone again.
Walking.
When I'm tired.
Take another picture from the train again.
Let me in, I'll be walking when I'm tired.
Take another picture from this train again.
Let me in, through the windowpane.
you For loving life from the stain I made and I spilled the rain onto your big brain.
I'm gonna spin you around and put your feet on the ground.
Cause you're everything.
Be it great and be it cliche.
And the mistakes I've made.
Pave the way.
We're walking strong on the road again.
We'll make amends and move on.
When I see you when I'm home again, I'll show you that I grew strong.
Yeah.
When I see you around, I put my feet on the ground.
Cause we're everything.
Be shameful, be naive.
Kill color is your dream.
You're something strange You're something abnormally
Something unpredictably irresistible to me Something in a rush
Bye.
I got stuck, got no luck, got no key to the door that I locked.
Pass it by or break it down.
It's time to face the cloud.
And I'll find a way to refrain.
That stain is plain.
So strange, so strange, so strange That I made myself, made myself, made myself, made myself
self.
you Pass it by or break it down.
It's time to face the clown.
I'll find a way to, a way to refrain.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cause I made myself, made myself, made myself, made myself Made myself.
hannah claire brimelow
No, you have to sing a Christmas carol now.
unidentified
It's Christmas.
james okeefe
You guys, give me some options and I'll sing.
Give me some different options.
ian crossland
Glycerine by Bush.
hannah claire brimelow
No way, you guys are not festive at all right now.
james okeefe
That's my favorite song.
unidentified
What else?
tim pool
Come on, come on.
unidentified
What else?
hannah claire brimelow
We want Christmas.
tim pool
The point is top 40s, big hit, James O'Keefe singing.
james okeefe
Give me a couple options.
hannah claire brimelow
All I Want for Christmas is You by Mariah Carey.
james okeefe
I can sing that one.
That's a good one.
tim pool
Right before Christmas?
james okeefe
Come on, let's do that.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, yes, yes.
ian crossland
We might be able to figure it out.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, I'm loving this optimism.
james okeefe
That's like the most famous Christmas song of all time.
It's a beautiful song.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, yes.
james okeefe
Let's do that one.
We can figure this out.
tim pool
I mean, it's not a complicated song.
james okeefe
It's not complicated.
tim pool
C, E minor, C, D. Yeah, you can do it.
hannah claire brimelow
Everyone's talented.
tim pool
I would have to listen to the song to actually be able to play it.
james okeefe
Alright, let's listen to it for a second.
unidentified
It's a key of G. Oh yeah, this is it.
james okeefe
Just listen to the first year.
ian crossland
C minor.
This is a little complicated.
james okeefe
You just gotta get those chords.
tim pool
We're not getting it.
james okeefe
Oh, no, you're not gonna do it?
tim pool
We're not gonna get it.
james okeefe
It's too difficult?
tim pool
It's not that it's difficult, it's that something like House of the Rising Sun is four chords and you're done.
unidentified
I see.
tim pool
So if we're gonna pull up a random song right now and just play it without having heard it, it's easy to be like... Next year, last year of the year before Christmas.
james okeefe
I can play the iPad way back here and you guys can kinda strum along.
You wanna try that?
Here we go, here we go.
hannah claire brimelow
Can you do that because of copyright?
tim pool
Yeah, we can't do that.
Even with covers, it's kind of weird.
hannah claire brimelow
I appreciate the effort, though.
james okeefe
It is a classic.
It's such a great song.
hannah claire brimelow
It is a classic.
tim pool
Pick a few options.
Who's got suggestions in the chat?
james okeefe
Maybe there's suggestions.
tim pool
We're going to wrap it up in a second.
ian crossland
It's not that complicated, but it's, what, copyrights?
tim pool
No, it's that, like, if we're going to actually play it right, I would need to listen to the song to figure out what the chords are.
hannah claire brimelow
Next year for Christmas, when you're signed to the label, we'll come back to a whole Christmas album.
tim pool
You can rip the whole thing down to four chords and ignore whatever the actual song is.
ian crossland
I like that C minor, though.
tim pool
Silent Night, Jingle Bells, Baby It's Cold Outside.
james okeefe
Last Christmas by Wham.
Last Christmas.
That's a great song.
Can you do that?
tim pool
Wonderwall?
hannah claire brimelow
That's not Christmas at all!
james okeefe
Freebird?
Wonderwall?
What else you got?
Keep going, fans.
ian crossland
Last Christmas is hot.
james okeefe
Last Christmas, can we do that?
ian crossland
That's a lot of seven chords.
unidentified
Let's see...
Can you do that one?
Nope.
Hallelujah.
ian crossland
Is this Tears for Fears?
james okeefe
Tears for Fears, which one?
How about Everybody Wants to Change the World?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, that's a good one.
tim pool
Everybody Wants to Rule the World?
james okeefe
Everybody wants to rule.
tim pool
I think I know that song well enough to maybe be able to- Let's try it.
ian crossland
I just retweeted them playing it live.
They're so good.
james okeefe
As long as you get the pitch right.
tim pool
It's- Yeah.
james okeefe
Welcome to your- There's not enough vocals!
Welcome to your life.
There's no turning back.
Can we get that?
ian crossland
Let's see, yeah, maybe.
james okeefe
Is that the right key?
There we go.
tim pool
There's just nothing really there.
unidentified
You want me to start?
ian crossland
Yeah, you want to play it in the... I think we got it.
tim pool
I don't think so.
ian crossland
Ready to rock?
If you can play that lead like that, I can play the rhythm.
unidentified
Here we go, keep going.
james okeefe
Here we go.
unidentified
Welcome to your life.
james okeefe
There's no turning back.
Even while we sleep.
We will find you acting on your best behavior.
Turn your back on mother nature.
Everybody wants to rule the world.
unidentified
Keep going.
Keep going.
It's my own design.
james okeefe
It's my only one.
unidentified
Help me to decide.
Help me make the world stop, beat the lyrics.
Something I can't remember the words.
james okeefe
Everybody wants to rule the world.
Here's the bridge.
There's a room where the light won't find you.
Holding hands while the walls keep tumbling down.
When they do, I'll be right behind you.
I'm so glad we've almost made it.
I'm so sad they had to fade.
unidentified
Everybody wants to do the work.
ian crossland
There's one more little part here.
unidentified
I wish I had a bigger screen.
james okeefe
There's one more little part here.
Ready?
unidentified
Excessive. I I can't stand this indecision.
Stand this indecision.
Married, live a lack of vision.
Everybody wants to be the one.
ian crossland
So this is the chorus?
unidentified
Say that you'll never, never, never... Yeah, I can't do that part.
ian crossland
You want to keep going?
hannah claire brimelow
I think that was pretty good.
ian crossland
I think we got what we needed out of it.
hannah claire brimelow
That was great.
ian crossland
What a great song.
james okeefe
I can't, I can't go higher.
I can't stand this indecision.
That's too high for my vocal cords.
unidentified
Let's see.
james okeefe
Got an octave below there.
ian crossland
It's all about getting it out of the core.
hannah claire brimelow
Mariah Carey would do it though.
james okeefe
I don't want a lot for Christmas.
There is just one thing I need and I don't care about the presents underneath the Christmas tree.
unidentified
Acapella.
james okeefe
I just want you for my own.
More than you could ever know.
Make my wish come true, all I want for Christmas is you.
hannah claire brimelow
That was amazing.
I think acapella was incredible.
What a Christmas gift to the audience.
Mariah Carey is shaking in her boots right now.
ian crossland
All right, Tim, what's your next one?
You get one.
tim pool
I don't got any ones.
ian crossland
You want to play one of yours?
james okeefe
I don't know.
ian crossland
What's the next one?
The next big one coming out in 2024?
tim pool
The next song we're doing?
ian crossland
Yeah, what do you want to do next?
tim pool
I don't know.
So the song that we're working on where Ian did the body transformation, it takes 48 hours to render 10 seconds of the video because it's all like heavy CGI and crazy effects.
So that one might be done by mid-January, but we've got, I think, We might have two other songs that are done, that are just sitting there, unreleased, because we're like, I don't know.
But I think by March we might have like a, between eight and ten songs, so I don't know.
ian crossland
I've got a new one I've just wrote I could play, or I could do Come Down by Bush, which I really like a lot.
tim pool
Do you know the words to Come Down?
james okeefe
Do I know the melody is the question.
The words I can look up.
tim pool
Well, there's gotta be something simpler and better that everybody knows.
ian crossland
Right.
unidentified
Love and hate, get it wrong.
Cut me right back down to size.
Sleep the day, let it fade.
Who's there to take your place?
No one knows, never will.
Surge, hit it.
me but mostly you.
Me say, do you do when it all comes down?
I don't want to come back down from this cloud.
It's taken me all this time to find out what I need.
Surge, hit it.
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, I'm going to play a song.
ian crossland
Give it to me.
tim pool
This is the last show of the year, and I am not practiced, but I will try to play the song anyway.
And because someone said play words in the book, so this is a song that we've... I've never recorded.
ian crossland
Give me those chords really quick.
unidentified
Uh... C-A... Wait, wait.
tim pool
C-B-A...
GE.
And that might be it.
Let's see if I can play it.
Maybe I can.
ian crossland
I love this song.
unidentified
Remember when we were young?
We used to hope for peace.
But villains weren't only on TV screens.
Please.
Flippin'-po.
The market's made up of broken hopes and dreams to put you back into mediocrity.
Taking more, taking spite of this, Focus on the ways.
I guess you'll never change that day.
It's hard to believe that you mean nothing to me.
Cause you used to be everything.
Remember when we used to fight for peace?
But heroes were only on TV screens.
My heart is made up of broken hopes and dreams.
I'll take my place in this story.
Taking more, taking spite of this.
Focus on the ways I really wished you'd change that day.
It's hard to believe that you mean nothing to me.
Cause you used to be everything.
There were words in a book about what we've been through.
There are lines in a script written for me and you.
You take it all inside and pray it works.
Another aching in your heart starts to burn Taking more, taking spite of this
and focus on the ways...
I really hope you'll change someday.
It's hard to believe but I'm moving on with my dreams Cause you were never there for me
There were words in a book about what we've been through There are lines in a script written for me and you.
So take it all in stride and pray it works.
Another aching in your heart starts to burn 🎵
🎵 And that is the end of the year!
tim pool
What a year, 2023.
Thank you, James O'Keefe, for hanging out.
james okeefe
Thanks, Tim.
tim pool
Everybody, go to TimCast.com, become a member.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me at TimCast.
James, you want to shout anything out?
james okeefe
It's going to be a wild ride, Tim, and I'm going to come back and make some music with you.
tim pool
Definitely!
Anything else?
james okeefe
I wasn't even trying to pitch anything.
O'Keefe Media Group, OMG, support us.
Buy our journalism class.
Sign up to be an undercover journalist.
Buy our cameras.
And I'm gonna make some music with Tim.
And I have so many ideas right now.
Man, that was a lot of fun.
That was the highlight of my year.
Thank you.
hannah claire brimelow
It's been awesome having you here.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com.
That's Scanner News.
I'm really thankful to the entire team for all their work this year and just always to be a part of that group.
If you want to follow their work, you can follow at TimCastNews on Instagram and Twitter.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Twitter at hcbrumello, and I'm on Instagram at hannaclaire.b.
Guys, Merry Christmas, have a fun new year.
Over to Ian.
ian crossland
Thank you, Hanna-Claire.
And yeah, shit is going to get loud in 2024, so let's make sure that we're the ones in the noise that people are listening to with our beautiful, beautiful sound.
Ooh, Tim's got one more thing to say before we go.
james okeefe
More music?
tim pool
No, no, no, you guys repped.
ian crossland
I am just so happy to be here, Tim.
What a great year.
tim pool
I might know a song that you guys know.
hannah claire brimelow
I just thought of one, too.
james okeefe
I thought of one, too.
ian crossland
Sir, do you want to say a...
Yeah!
james okeefe
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
You know this one?
ian crossland
I gotta get the lyrics.
james okeefe
I do, but what's the name of it again?
ian crossland
My Hero.
It's a Foo Fighters song, and here it comes.
james okeefe
There goes my hero.
ian crossland
That's it.
james okeefe
Yeah, I just don't remember the verses, but go ahead.
Maybe you can get me started.
tim pool
I'll keep it going.
unidentified
It's the verse.
james okeefe
Dude, start it for me.
I'll sing the chorus.
tim pool
See you next time.
unidentified
Got it.
Yeah.
Two alarming now to talk about.
you Take your pictures down, shake it out.
Truth or consequence, say it aloud.
Use that evidence, race it around.
There goes my hero.
Watch him as he goes.
There goes my hero.
He's ordinary Don't the best of them weed it out
While the rest of them eat her out Truth or consequence, say it aloud
Use that evidence, race it around Bye.
you There goes my hero.
Watch him as he goes.
There goes my hero. He's ordinary.
I I
I I
tim pool
I don't know the rest.
james okeefe
I don't know.
unidentified
Rich.
Kudos my hero!
james okeefe
My voice is high for me.
unidentified
Leaving all the best.
You know my hero.
One that's own.
There goes my hero.
Watch him as he goes There goes my hero
He's our hero, he's our hero.
He's ordinary!
james okeefe
You know what that sound is?
ian crossland
That's a drop D tuning.
tim pool
That's a drop D tuning.
james okeefe
How about Stone Temple Pilots Plush?
You know that one?
ian crossland
Yes, I know it well.
james okeefe
That's a great one.
ian crossland
I can play it.
james okeefe
Can you play that one?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's a good song.
unidentified
Oh, that one's good.
Which one is that?
ian crossland
It's Everlong.
unidentified
Everlong.
tim pool
I learned that song when I was like 14.
ian crossland
Give it to me.
james okeefe
Plush?
tim pool
No, no, I think I'm done.
We gotta go, actually.
james okeefe
Okay.
ian crossland
Plush is really good.
It's really, really good.
tim pool
I was like, you know what song I was like, I was just playing guitar, and I picked up the guitar, and I was like, you know, I remember how to play My Hero from back when I was like 13 or 14 years old, so I'll just start playing it.
hannah claire brimelow
The thing is I feel like this is going to be a lot of Friday nights in 2024.
james okeefe
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
So.
james okeefe
And then I feel time's a wasting go.
I'll give it to you from the top.
It goes.
unidentified
Do do, tk tk tk, where you going.
tim pool
All right, all right, we're wrapping it, we're wrapping it.
unidentified
Almost.
hannah claire brimelow
Save it for 2024!
tim pool
No, we got people waiting for us outside actually.
I'm gonna get yelled at.
Alright everybody, thanks for hanging out, and we will see you in 2024.
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