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Timcast IRL - Biden Prepares To DROP OUT, President Hints HE DOESNT Want To Run w/Terry Schilling
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tim pool
It would seem that they are laying the basic groundwork for removing Joe Biden and they're
going to bring someone else in.
Now, there have been many hints, each little grain of sand being added to the heap.
We had a report from Axios over a month ago about how Democrats were lining up alternates, but now we have Joe Biden himself saying, if it weren't for Donald Trump, he wouldn't even be running again.
Which is an interesting suggestion, considering that Donald Trump is facing prison and facing other means by which they're going to try to stop him from running.
I believe this story right here, which is a Joe Biden on a fundraising campaign trail, suggesting he doesn't even want to run.
It's only because of Trump.
Which opens the door down the line for a clean exit.
Now, we don't know exactly how it's going to happen, but nobody really thinks that Joe Biden is going to run.
Some people do, to be fair, but realistically, how's it going to play out?
So we'll dive into that.
Plus, we've got some really great topics to jump through.
We'll talk about what happened with that house that exploded.
It's not the biggest story in the world.
It appears this guy maybe was just crazy and his house exploded.
So we'll get into that.
Plus, we have a weird story from Military.com about dozens of military men and women who, or military men perhaps, who want to overthrow the government.
Oh boy, this one's gonna be fun.
And then, of course, we have a segment on Gen Z may be the most conservative generation ever.
Which we'll have to explain what that means, but I actually think it might be true.
So we'll get into that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Terry Schilling.
terry schilling
Hey guys, thanks so much for having me.
President of American Principals Project, which, easiest way to describe it is the NRA-style organization for families.
So we go in and run campaign ads against Democrats that are destroying the instance of our kids and taking away parental rights.
tim pool
Right on.
Which is, we'll get into that as well with, Title IX hearing happened today.
We've had an epic exchange between Riley Gaines and a Democrat and, oh, that was pretty brutal.
Phil's back!
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
I am back from L.A.
My name is Phil Levante, lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
We're here with Ian.
ian crossland
What's up, dudes?
phil labonte
Hello.
ian crossland
Hi.
Good to see you back, Phil.
Oh, look at that!
serge du preez
Oh, no!
ian crossland
Wow, the energy knocked the UFO off its throne.
What's up, everybody in the audience?
I want special thanks to you if you're listening, you are listening, especially if you've been here before, because your attention is the greatest form of currency in this economy.
And it really does mean a lot.
It means a lot that you keep coming back and keep enjoying the show.
Now, some might argue that money is the is the most important currency to keep this thing flowing.
But I think your attention is up there, arguably more important.
Let's just keep it moving.
serge du preez
Yeah, good to be back, Phil.
How much is gas costing nowadays?
phil labonte
I don't know.
I rented a Tesla when I was in LA.
serge du preez
Oh, nice.
phil labonte
It's part of the reason why I've been talking about Tesla so much.
serge du preez
I see that.
phil labonte
I rented a Tesla and I'm so jealous of Tim's.
serge du preez
I see.
tim pool
What are the... Oh, the Model S?
phil labonte
Well, I rented a Model 3, and so I fell in love with them.
I want to get one real bad.
I think they're great.
I've been to yours once.
tim pool
There's a story right now.
People are watching Home Alone, and there's that scene where Kevin McCallister goes to the grocery store, and he buys a ton of stuff, and she's like $19.
$44 or whatever.
unidentified
No, $19.
phil labonte
It's $19.
tim pool
Yeah, and then in like 2010 it was 40 and now it's 80.
But yeah, let's jump into this first story.
We got this one from the Boston Herald, ladies and gentlemen.
Biden says he wouldn't be seeking re-election if Trump wasn't running, which is the weirdest headline because if it's anyone other than Joe Biden, Trump loses according to numerous polls.
So let me break this down.
Biden claims he's at, here's a quote.
If Trump wasn't running, I'm not sure I'd be running, but we can't let him win, Biden said at a fundraiser at a private event near Boston, according to a pool report.
Biden just celebrated his 81st birthday.
He went on to warn that Trump has made clear what his plans would be if he wins.
Trump's not even hiding the ball anymore.
He's telling us what he's going to do.
He's making no bones about it.
Biden cited Trump's comments.
He's out for retribution if he wins.
Biden is just really trying to get me to vote for Donald Trump here.
But let's slow this down.
Biden claiming that he wouldn't be seeking re-election if Trump wasn't running.
That's the headline, that's the story.
If Biden didn't run, there's a poll from NBC showing that any other Democratic candidate is 46 to Trump's 40%.
But with Biden, it's like Trump 43% to Biden 39%.
Which is to say, Joe Biden just admitted he's a Trump supporter and he wants Trump to win, and that's his true intention.
phil labonte
I'm loving this bit.
This is hilarious.
tim pool
So Biden wants retribution too, and he's like, you know, come on man, if Trump's gonna win, I gotta be here.
If I leave, he'll lose.
phil labonte
I love it.
terry schilling
I just think it's so lame, right?
Like, you want a president that has a vision for what he wants to accomplish in the country, right?
And he's saying he's just running to stop Trump.
You need an altruistic president with a vision.
I mean, we obviously know he doesn't have that.
That's not a surprise to us.
But it's lame that he's actually admitting it.
ian crossland
I fully agree we want somebody with a vision.
That's like one of my number one on my bucket list of to-do for a president is give me something to live for.
What's the next 20 years gonna look like, bro?
phil labonte
I want a president that has a vision about like not doing stuff.
All these presidents that like do things like...
I want a president that wants to do less.
We have the largest government in human history.
ian crossland
Well, to clarify my argument, if he's like, I'm going to shut down this organization and this organization.
terry schilling
A plan.
phil labonte
Okay.
Okay.
ian crossland
I'd be open to that.
But I want some long-term, like, how are my kids going to be okay in 20 years and why?
You want the most powerful job on earth.
You better give me a reason.
tim pool
I think one of the things that's actually helping Democrats is they don't need to campaign on kids because liberals don't have kids.
So it's really simple.
They target those viral videos about dinks.
phil labonte
Yeah, I was just going to say, do you think the dink stuff is weird?
tim pool
Oh, dude, this is why Biden has double income, no kids.
And so Biden is basically saying, I'm going to forgive your student loan debt.
Why?
So you can go party!
Come on, baby!
ian crossland
I just got an email.
Was I telling you guys about that?
I was telling Luke about it while I was down there on We Are Change show, bestpoliticalshow.com.
I got an email like last week.
Hey, by the way, we, you have no more debt.
I just saw all of my student debt.
I thought it was like 8,000 of the 19,000 was gone.
It was all of it.
tim pool
It's all gone.
ian crossland
And then it went 180,000 more people got that same email.
tim pool
So wait, how much, how much did they forgive?
ian crossland
For me, total 19,000.
tim pool
Is that income?
I don't know.
IRS might call that income.
ian crossland
That's what people are like, hey, that might be considered income.
I'm like, well, I didn't get it.
It just disappeared.
So I'll find out next year if that's an income.
unidentified
I think it is.
ian crossland
If they forced repayment early.
tim pool
Look, when Oprah Winfrey gave everybody those cars, they're like, nah, that's income.
Now, that's a little different.
You're giving a car, you're giving value.
But there was also, Occupy did this thing where they were paying off medical debt.
So what they would do is they would contact the hospitals and say, This person's been delinquent how long?
Okay, we'll pay off their debt for 10%.
And so someone would owe 10 grand, and then they would pay $1,000 and wipe their debt, or even less, pennies.
But people were then pointing out, hey, they have to report that as income because you paid their debt off.
ian crossland
What's so dirty about this is if they took, I'd like to say, $10,000 left to pay off.
That's my, and if they force me to pay that back early and then they're going to tax me on that forced repayment, that's like pure, I mean, that's my debt.
You can't pay my debt back without my consent.
That's insane.
Especially if you tax my friends to pay for it.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
That would be the most epic move by Democrats is to like forgive all the debt, but then tax everyone on the forgive debt.
So now they all have to pay more money and they have debt to the government instead of loans.
ian crossland
Yeah, unsolicited accelerated repayments.
tim pool
But so it's like someone's got a loan with a private, you know, they're all federal loans, I guess, that are being forgiven.
ian crossland
Yeah, even if it's not taxed, it's still insane that if they've taxed my friends to pay for it, that's like insidious.
phil labonte
There's nothing that we've discussed that is beyond what the government has already done, like historically done.
tim pool
Yeah, like Japanese internment camps are infinitely worse than them taking people's money for taxes.
phil labonte
Yeah, or I mean, that's the extreme that the US government has done is stuff like Jim Crow or internment camps.
When it comes to actually like, you know, monetary policy and your property and stuff, The government demanded that everyone turn in any gold they had.
Any gold they owned at all.
tim pool
Here's the funny thing.
phil labonte
You're no longer allowed to own it.
So that kind of stuff, government does those kind of, makes those kind of decrees and stuff all the time.
tim pool
So we're gonna see, this student loan repayment is instant inflation.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Instant.
Because money that would not have been in circulation is now instantly in circulation, and the argument is it'll stimulate the economy.
Sure.
And now it's going to immediately result in rapid inflation, as more people are spending more money very, very rapidly.
It's such a dirty move.
And one of the dirtiest things about it, I do think we're facing a self-correcting problem.
You know, you got these viral videos where it's like a man and a woman, and they'll film each other.
I'm a dink!
I can go and do this because I don't have kids!
unidentified
I'm a dink!
tim pool
I can do this!
These people are excising themselves in the gene pool.
These ideas will cease to exist.
Democrats are utilizing that short-term opportunity to win political power and then try and maintain a system which slowly just shuffles people off into an ideology that results in them excising themselves.
ian crossland
I wish it excised the ideas, but since they're making internet video, those stupid ideas stay around for people.
Like, long after those two dinks are gone, someone's gonna see that video and be like, they must have had a great life, I should be a dink too!
tim pool
I disagree.
ian crossland
You don't think so?
tim pool
I believe you're half correct.
The video will persist, people can see it, it may influence some people, but the reality is...
People who are... imagine a video popped up and there was a guy being like, I took a dump on my floor, that means I don't gotta hire a plumber!
You'd watch that and you'd be like, that's the stupidest thing I ever heard, I would never do that.
That's... right, that's what might happen with these videos.
If liberals aren't having kids, and they're aborting their kids, and the rate at which they reproduce is dramatically lower, blue states allow abortions and red states don't.
Let's just make it very, very simple for everybody.
The one reason conservatives should be celebrating the overturning of Roe v. Wade is not that it's made abortion illegal in some places, it's that it's given them a guaranteed path towards a long-term victory, because blue states' populations will decline.
They already are, there's already an exodus, and they're already not having kids, and now they have an opportunity to abort up to the point of birth.
If you were to ask me, I would say that Democrat politicians I hate Democrat voters more than anyone else!
ian crossland
I got kind of this mixed feeling I was thinking earlier about this about people that are changing their gender or getting surgeries on their genitals so that they can't have kids anymore or they're just opting out like in a way it's like you might think okay that's that's fine and good because that means they'll weed away and it's like maybe if those people are mentally ill or if they're just have some sort of illness then we need less mental illness in the system that's maybe that's okay but the reality is I want less I I agree, like, less ill people is good, but that doesn't mean- I don't want them to be sick in the first place.
I want to find out what's making these people this way and solve that and fix it.
terry schilling
It's that they don't have any family.
It's that they don't have any kids.
unidentified
Right?
terry schilling
Like, look, I know- Well, that's not making them sick.
No, no, but it's making them...
ian crossland
Immature.
terry schilling
Yeah, it's making them liberal.
So, like, here's how I view it.
Look, I know I'm a freak.
I got six kids with our seventh on the way.
We like our kids.
We like our family.
There's something mysterious about it, though, in that it forces you to grow up.
It forces you to sacrifice.
Like, when you've got screaming kids the next morning, you're a lot less likely to get trashed the night before.
tim pool
You gotta make a video with your wife where you're like, I'm a parent!
My kid mows the lawn for me!
I'm a parent!
unidentified
No!
tim pool
I don't gotta do the dishes anymore!
terry schilling
We put them to work now, right?
Like, Saturday morning.
So here's our system, right?
It's called Dadder Days.
Dadder Days, we get up at 7, whatever time, you know, they get up 6, 3, 7 o'clock sometimes, but they gotta clean the house, clean the living room, clean the dining room, you know, put everything away.
And they do that, they get donuts, get to go to the movies, get to go to Dave & Buster's, something fun that day.
It's Dadder Day.
It's the day that they get to spend with their dad.
It works out really well because we get a clean home.
The lawn gets done.
You're not crazy, Tim.
That's how it works with big families.
That's how that's why the families used to be bigger was because you'd want to have more workers for your farm or whatever business it was.
tim pool
And because they were like kids died a lot at very, very young ages, babies and miscarriage and stuff.
So they're constantly having kids and then they're having a lot of them and then a kid might die at four years old.
So it's just like if you don't have kids, you got to keep doing it.
But look, man, Democrats continually offer up policies that destroy Democrat positions.
Look at their policing policies.
They want to abolish police in like the worst criminal areas ever.
I'm just gonna bring it back to, without getting into an abortion debate, just the idea that someone would look at you and be like, I think you should abort your kid.
It's insulting!
I want to make sure, like if someone came up to you and said, you know, I want to make sure that if at any point, even the point of birth, your wife wants to terminate the pregnancy, I'm going to make sure she can.
You're going to be like, what are you saying?
terry schilling
But go back to the dink videos, right?
Like the dink videos.
Like if my wife was telling me that she didn't want to have any more kids anymore with us, or with me, I would be really insulted.
You don't love me enough to keep having kids.
Look, granted, we're reaching the older age and the maximum limit of kids we're going to be able to have, but if we first got married and my wife was unwilling to have kids with me, it would hurt really bad.
And I think the same thing on her end.
I think it would be insulting.
So it's more than abortion, but I think that's a really good point.
It is so offensive to tell someone that they should abort their children.
tim pool
I don't think Democrats are coming out and being like, abort your kids.
But they're like, you know, I want to make sure that there is no restriction on your wife's choice to abort your children.
It's like you're basically saying, I hope you die.
You should not.
So that's what they're going for.
And it's just like the end result of this in the longest in the long run is red states are restricting abortion.
Blue states are allowing it.
That's a pressure system that flows in one direction.
People are going to leave blue states.
And and, you know, I hear people say, yeah, but Tim, immigration.
I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah.
It doesn't matter.
The illegal immigrants that are coming in will still have the same access to abortion, which Planned Parenthoods are mostly in non-white areas.
So, like, I'm sorry, man, like, the Democrats seem to really hate their voter base.
terry schilling
But they create more voters, the more chaos and destruction that they cause.
Right?
The more that we stray from normalcy and goodness and beauty, the more everyone just thinks, life sucks.
The world sucks.
I'm a miserable person.
Miserable people vote for communists.
No happy person votes for communism.
It's just not how it works.
And so they want to cause disorder.
They want to cause unhappiness.
They don't want you having kids because that gives you an investment in the future.
It gives you something to look forward to.
They benefit from the chaos and the dysfunction.
tim pool
I just figured out the student loan repayment thing.
So you got people who aren't paying back their student loans, right?
That money's basically a debt.
That's a dead debt bill.
You know, you go to some guy and you're like, where's my money?
He's like, I don't got it.
You can't beat money out of them.
It's not there.
So what do you do?
Well, you can garnish wages, but then people are going to lose their minds.
I got a plan.
Now, if someone owes you money and you're not going to get the full amount, what do you do?
You negotiate a lower amount.
Okay, what can you pay me?
So for hospitals and credit cards, they'll say, this is a trick a lot of people need to understand.
If you owe like a thousand bucks on your credit card and you're not paying it, and they're mailing you and mailing you and mailing you, you can come up and offer them 300 bucks.
And say, you cancel the whole debt, I'll give you 300 bucks, otherwise you get nothing.
They'll say yes.
Not always, but they'll say, okay, fine.
Send us 300 bucks, we'll close it out.
This is what Joe Biden's doing.
He's looking at all these student loans, and he's like, you know we're not getting any of this money back.
Let's forgive it all.
You know why?
The forgiveness qualifies as income, and then they don't get a tax refund at the end of the year, we get to keep all their money.
So we're not getting back the full student loan debt, but if someone owes us $10,000, and we pay them $10,000, that's $3,000 in taxes they owe us, then when it comes to refund season, they don't get a refund.
We keep the $3,000.
So they're not giving money with student loan repayment.
They're just saying, you don't owe us anything anymore, but that counts as income.
Now you got to give me three grand.
And instantly comes out of your taxes without you realizing it.
I'm wondering if we're going to hear a lot of people come, you know, like April, you know, just being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I didn't get a refund this year.
Yeah, they took it because... But, you know, what's gonna happen is they're gonna be like, well, my student loan's paid off, so what do I care?
But that allows the government to retain a large amount of money.
ian crossland
Just 804,000 people got paid back 39... How much was this?
39 billion?
39 billion.
tim pool
What's the average per person?
And then slice off 35 or whatever, 30% towards taxes.
And that's how much they're going to keep from the taxpayer without giving back their refunds.
ian crossland
What is it, like, 4,000?
tim pool
Granted, not everyone's refund is that high.
It's only up to, like, the, um... What is it?
What's the threshold for where you don't pay taxes?
Like, 15K or something?
unidentified
Uh... Something like that.
tim pool
Anyway, here's a story from Axios, just to wrap up this portion of it.
It's not just that Joe Biden said he wouldn't run if Trump wasn't running.
Even Axios reported a month ago Democrats have been working behind the scenes a shadow campaign to get rid of Joe Biden.
So we're about to enter the new year.
I hope y'all are excited for the holidays, I know I am.
And I just... I don't understand how they pull it off.
How do they swap out Joe Biden?
Is this hint that Donald Trump gets arrested, or he's already been arrested, he gets convicted, sentenced to prison, and then Joe Biden says, look, you know, I said last year If it weren't for Trump, I wouldn't be running.
Now that he's convicted, I know he's running, but he's not here and he's not a threat.
I'm gonna bow out and hand it off to somebody else.
Then the DNC declares Newsom or Gretchen Whitmer or something.
ian crossland
I just threw up a little in my mouth when you said that.
tim pool
Whitmer, she can't win.
So they would never do Whitmer.
But some people are suggesting that.
terry schilling
They could do someone, though, like an Annie Beshear type.
You know, out of Kentucky.
tim pool
Yeah?
ian crossland
What do you think about Newsom?
terry schilling
I'm not worried about Newsom.
First of all, he looks like the dude from American Psycho, right?
He looks like the Joker.
phil labonte
Now is this... I want to push back.
I just want to make sure I'm clear.
Do you think that your perspective is...
Is the is the normie perspective or do you think you're because the reason I ask is I was in California last week and like my friends that are in LA and stuff.
They generally don't look at Newsome and see the reptile that I see.
Okay, like the normies.
I think that someone like Newsome is extremely extremely Appealing to normies.
And do you think that your perspective is a normie perspective, or the perspective that someone like us would have, which is, that dude is definitely a reptile?
terry schilling
Phil, I think your biggest mistake is that you're assuming people from California are normies.
Like they're the weirdest people on earth.
tim pool
No, I agree with Phil.
Newsome is a master debater.
And that's why it was a big mistake that Ron DeSantis tried to go up against him because there's no upside.
Newsom isn't a candidate, so the only thing that could happen is negatives for Ron DeSantis.
And the important thing to understand about Newsom is that, as a lizard person, he can literally say whatever he wants to convince people.
So, if he were to campaign or debate, he'll just say literally nonsense.
He'll say, in the great state of California, our GDP is up 7.3%.
Homelessness is down 8.9%.
Don't believe the lies.
And he just makes it up.
And then, what are you going to do about it?
terry schilling
Who's going to call him out?
Not the media.
tim pool
Of course not.
terry schilling
There will be no fact checks.
tim pool
He can literally say whatever he wants.
He can say that he was the 15th guy to land on the moon, and that now he's here to bring his expertise in oil to California.
phil labonte
So go ahead with your point, but I really want to know if it's something that you think is a non-biased, actual guess of what the normal person is, or something that you personally prefer?
terry schilling
No, so no, what I believe is that the average normal human being has no clue who Gavin Newsom is for the most part.
They have not been exposed to him, he can be branded, and I think, I'm not depressed about Trump going after him.
Trump has a way of branding people and I think that we have to fight differently though.
We can't count on the mainstream media to hold him accountable.
This has to be fought at the local coffee shops, at the breakfast bars, that.
tim pool
That's our plan with Casper.
We gotta have these local coffee shops where when you walk in, we got TVs playing.
It's gonna be TimCast IRL.
It's gonna be Crowder.
It's gonna be Daily Wire.
That's the plan.
Let me jump to the story from CNN.
Ladies and gentlemen...
We got him!
House Oversight GOP released document showing payments made by Hunter Biden to his dad.
Documents say they were for a car.
I wonder why CNN added that last bit, documents say they were for a car, as if that changes the fact that Hunter Biden's business was sending Joe Biden money.
You know, it's like, but it was for a car!
I'm like, oh!
So is that what the corruption was paying for?
I don't know what your point is.
But it wasn't that much money.
It was $1,380 for over four months.
So I think it didn't... Was it four months?
But yes, he was directly paying him.
And so here's what I worry about.
Sure, it's big.
You know, Joe Biden repeatedly lied about having no involvement.
Oh, come on, dude.
You're getting reimbursement from his company.
Not only did he lie about whether he talked to any of his business associates, he said he had nothing to do with his business.
And now it's...
You did talk to his people, and you actually received direct payments from his business, for which you are directly involved, and there's emails showing you being directly involved.
Y'all, you're lying.
Here's the problem.
The House GOP seems to be dripping this one out so slowly, none of these things are landing.
Like, this story... You know, I see it, and all the people are like, oh, hey, look at this.
But it's like, oh, okay, I don't know, one payment?
Yo, if they came out with one big hit and said, here is all the proof, and slammed it on the table, and then maybe held back a little bit, it would land much, much better.
Maybe that's the plan for going 2024.
Maybe the October surprise will be the big syndicate org chart of Joe Biden on top with the red yarn going from person to person.
But when they do these stories, it's like, yeah, okay, we got them.
You know, he's sending money directly to his dad from his company, not personally.
It's still such a thin sliver of a story, I don't think it hits that hard.
phil labonte
I don't think it hits, I don't think it hits at all.
unidentified
Right.
phil labonte
I'm not, I'm not even convinced, like, if you had some kind of significant evidence of significant payments, Even that at this point I feel like would be kind of brushed under the rug by the corporate media at least.
It would have to be something that was absolutely devastating to not be just ignored.
I really think that the corporate media is just, they're not going to report on it, not going to treat anything like it's a serious I kind of think this is all just a mistake for the Republicans to be honest.
tim pool
Nobody ever cared about Joe Biden.
Nobody in 2020 cared about Joe Biden.
Nobody in 2019 cared about Joe Biden.
Joe Biden could literally walk onto stage and just take a dump right on the floor and walk out and it would change nothing.
His approval rating is in the gutter because he's a bad leader and this country is facing serious hardship, but no one's paying attention to Joe Biden the man.
Nobody thinks he's capable or competent.
Nobody wants to vote for him.
They want to vote against someone else.
So when the Republicans come out and they're like, oh, look what the Bidens are doing, regular people are like, yeah, we don't like him either, but we like, we'll vote for him.
So it's funny because Trump had that famous line, you know, I could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue.
Yeah, well Joe Biden could take a dump on the middle of the Oval Office floor with live cameras rolling and it would change nothing.
terry schilling
There's been so many dumps on the floor tonight.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
terry schilling
With the dinks.
ian crossland
But that's just my talk with Gavin Newsom.
It's a lot of poop.
tim pool
It's a lot of taking a dump on the floor, you know, just in front of a bunch of people.
But my point is this, when you combine, my point by combining all of it is, Yo, default liberal types literally don't care what you know, they don't.
phil labonte
They really don't.
Again, like a reference, like, you know, one of my buddies in California, we were talking and he's like, you know, one of the things that I'm really sick of hearing is like, you know, someone will be like, oh, well, this guy did this, but that guy did this and dah, dah, dah.
And he's like, I don't care.
Put then then prosecute them all.
And I think that that's the way that a lot of people feel, but they don't feel strongly enough about prosecuting people that are We are so past there being a system of laws in this country.
tim pool
It's not even a point to bring it up, right?
We know Joe Biden did it.
We know what he did.
We know about the payments.
We know about the phone calls.
We know about the flying to Ukraine.
We know why he did it.
Viktor Shokin has sworn testimony.
You can lay it all on the floor.
We know the crimes are being committed.
We know that on January 6th, on one side of the building, police allowed people in, pulled the barricades aside, fanned them in, opened the doors, waved them in, took selfies with them, and gave them tours.
And we know that BLM in Atlanta set fire to a Wendy's and were given a slap on the wrist and no jail time.
They were given probation and community service.
We know that the federal government has not charged the far leftists who stormed the government facilities outside of Atlanta at Stop Cop City, and it's a state-level charge only.
The idea that there is law and order in this country... So, when I say, you know, civil war, people need to start waking up to what's going on.
Okay?
The January Sixers, the people who are rioting and violent, I get it.
Give them criminal charges.
But they just arrested a guy recently.
He had flown to Nashville.
Didn't he work at the Daily Caller or something like that?
him on the spot. Even though he had already answered questions two years ago and his story
is that I think he stood at the foyer of one of the doors they opened and filmed and then left.
Didn't matter. They came after him anyway. And they're going to get every single person.
phil labonte
Didn't he work at the Daily Caller or something like that?
tim pool
I think this guy was a Republican party official or something.
phil labonte
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Yeah. The point is, if you are on the right, the feds are coming for you.
There is no semblance of justice, and they don't care if you think there is or isn't.
It's meaningless.
They are wielding power and violence against people, raiding their homes.
You know, I guess you can tell me what you think Civil War is, because I suppose if nothing's being done to combat the corruption, the Republicans are super concerned about Joe Biden getting payments and not so much with January 6th.
You know, now we're hearing that they're gonna release the remainder of the J6 footage, but they're gonna blur faces.
And of course, everyone's saying, yeah, to protect Feds.
terry schilling
Yeah, of course!
tim pool
Because the Feds already have all the videos.
So here we go.
There's no functioning system of laws.
We were swatted 15 times last year.
Nothing was done.
terry schilling
They never found out.
tim pool
Marjorie Taylor Greene!
terry schilling
Oh, you do!
tim pool
We have a general idea of who it was and how it happened, and everything lined up perfectly, and no matter how many agencies we call, and no matter how much evidence we submit, they just laugh and say, no.
terry schilling
So Marjorie Taylor Greene just did an interview with Tucker, guy released today, or yesterday maybe.
She's had the same thing.
They can't find out who swatted her.
They won't give her any information.
tim pool
Well, to be fair, her circumstance and ours are very, very different.
terry schilling
But can't they find out who it is?
I mean, she brought up the unmasked Carter Page, right?
tim pool
It is fair to say that, properly done, it is damn near impossible to track.
ian crossland
There's automated systems through routers, through Russia, through China.
Fake IPs.
tim pool
Not only that, I mean, you could take a Yagi Wi-Fi antenna from an apartment building, point it at a Wendy's a mile away, connect to a public Wi-Fi, and then... Make a call from Skype.
Yeah, and they're gonna be like, they're gonna say, it was traced to a Wendy's, but how do we figure out who it was and all the footage?
It's not that easy.
In our circumstance, we actually have We actually have serious evidence.
Meaning that some of the addresses that got swatted are not public record.
They're not even in government record.
You can't even search for them.
terry schilling
So only a few people would know it?
tim pool
Only three people.
And we were like, here you go!
And they were just like, eh.
And I'm like, dude.
Only three people have that.
I don't even think it was three people.
I think it was one.
One person.
And they were like, meh.
And I said, it just stops.
They don't care.
We even had, FBI was involved.
And they said, don't care.
I kind of the bomb the fake bombs that were sent to us.
They didn't care.
I'm like someone sent mock bombs.
And to shank region Weger or whatever his name is and they sent that robots to our to our studio and we are like we
have information on how this is happening and they're like we
don't care and I'm like you guys have to come out for this and
like me never called us once never asked us didn't care.
And so a lot of people actually started posting, like, it's the Feds doing it to you.
And I'm like, well, I don't know about all that, but I can tell you they certainly like that it's happening because they're, they're corrupt, evil, lazy, or a combination of all of it.
terry schilling
Can you talk, Tim, you said, you mentioned civil war.
Are you saying that, like, there's already one going on against the right, they just haven't recognized it yet?
tim pool
Well, fifth generational warfare, you can call it whatever you want.
Some people, it depends on your definition of civil war, but if federal law enforcement is expanded, weaponized, and being used to target political opponents, you can call it a soft coup.
I don't know, you can call it whatever you want.
I mean, look, the Biden DOJ is going after Joe Biden's rival.
Like, the federal government, under Joe Biden, has arrested and criminally charged his chief political opponent.
phil labonte
Yeah, the federal government is not supposed to have an opinion about which political party is running the government.
Like, they're not supposed to have a say.
They're just supposed to say, we reflect whatever the people demand.
They're supposed to be a reflection of the will of the people.
They're not supposed to dictate what people should think.
ian crossland
It'd be cool if they renounced their party affiliation when they got into the federal government.
tim pool
Oh, that doesn't mean anything.
ian crossland
It'd just be nice to look at.
tim pool
Look, I think there's one strong argument as to why we're not in a civil war.
Because there's only one side fighting.
Republicans, what should they be doing?
They should be filing criminal charges at the state level.
You could have a small district, ADA, file criminal charges, start an investigation, over tons of stuff related to federal finance, like at the state level.
So, if there is a state campaign happening in your red state, You can start looking into donations given.
James O'Keefe uncovered a lot of questionable practices in donations.
James O'Keefe goes to people's doors and says, you made 10,000 donations.
You were making three donations a day.
And they're like, no, I wasn't.
Where's a single Republican prosecutor to be like, OK, it's time to investigate, to launch an investigation of this.
They don't do anything.
Meanwhile, you've got the federal government literally trying to put the front runner for the Republican Party in prison.
So maybe it's not a civil war, maybe it's just, I don't know, a coup?
ian crossland
A slow coup?
I agree that there are legal ways to attempt to, you know, rectify, but I'm kind of with you that, like, the law has become so abused in this country in the last 110 years, pretty much since the soft coup of the Federal Reserve and these Jekyll Island dudes, you know, J.P.
Morgan and friends, that it's like, accept it and just Change the minds of the people so that whoever has the control of the mob is going to be good.
tim pool
Well, that's the thing.
I think it's important to mention that we're winning.
And it's because we've focused on cultural issues and less so politics.
So while it is frustrating to see Republicans not doing anything, the groundwork being laid by say, Rumble, By, I mean, Elon Musk, especially with buying X, with Parallel Economy.
This is essentially Dan Bongino's Rumbles, several others, launching a financial transaction system, which we use for TimCast.com.
You have Public Square, businesses that support American values.
All of these things are creating chain mail that is, that's protecting us.
And as it grows, it protects more and more of what America should be, could be, and in many ways used to be.
So, while it's frustrating to watch a lot of this stuff happen, I think it's important to mention, too, they can keep trying this stuff, but I think acts of force prove their desperation.
The only way to stop Trump is to just cross the line and try to have him arrested.
That precipitates their fall.
terry schilling
You know, the first that this whole parallel economy thing got really, really real for me was this past week when the Lady Ballers trailer came out.
It looks like a Hollywood-level production movie, right?
It looks really good.
The preview's funny.
I don't know.
It's like we're finally figuring things out how to make it really work and take it to that highest quality level.
tim pool
I don't even... Yes, but we should say, who cares?
Hollywood can go make their weird Marvels that bombs.
Worst, worst Marvel movie ever.
Less than the Hulk.
terry schilling
Which one is this?
tim pool
The new one that just came out, the Marvels.
terry schilling
Oh, the Marvel, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, it made less money than the Hulk did, and that was considered to be like the black sheep of the MCU.
And now the Marvels did worse.
And I'm like, yo, they're losing culturally.
They're losing really, really bad.
Actually, you know what?
Let's jump to this story.
And we'll talk about it.
We have this from the Financial Review.
Gen Z could be the most conservative generation ever.
They go out less, have less sex, and lose their virginity later.
What is up with young people and teenagers?
And there's a couple questions about what this really means.
So let me break it down for you very simply.
First, the most conservative doesn't mean that Gen Z as a monolith believes certain things.
It could be that 30% are super far left, but 31% are super conservative.
And then people in the middle are whatever.
So now it's the most conservative.
But what I think this actually means is, when you're talking about conservative versus progressive, you have to look at the relativity of the previous generations.
If you took someone from 1650 and compared them to Joe Biden, Joe Biden looks progressive as they come, despite the fact that he's an old man.
Or more importantly, like Chuck Grassley.
Take like an actual Republican who's considered a conservative, compare him to a dude from the 1600s, and you're gonna be like, the guy from the 1600s is backwards and, you know, super far right, or whatever, however you describe it.
So when we're asking whether or not someone's conservative, The question is, are they more traditional or less traditional by the previous generation standards?
And the argument being made here is that Gen Z is less traditional than the previous generation standards, indicating they've shifted back towards traditional values in a way we have not seen in a hundred years.
We saw this data back in 2018, we're seeing it repeated over and over and over again.
That suggests, while Gen Z probably has similar politics to Millennials, the fact that on certain areas they've moved more traditional, more conservative, this suggests Gen Z is actually the most conservative by movement, not by politics.
I want to make sure that's clear.
We are not saying that a 20-year-old has the same politics as Chuck Grassley.
We're saying that a 20-year-old has more conservative views than a 35-year-old.
ian crossland
To throw a wrench in this, this is they go out less, have less sex, and lose their virginity later.
I'm sorry to tell you guys, the economy, the inflation, people cannot afford to go out, and because of Tinder and crap, one wealthy guy's getting like 10 women, so those girls aren't around to have sex with anymore for those kids, those guys, those humans.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
And that is a good point based on that statement.
But when you also look at what we brought up previously, that Gen Z actually is aligned with boomers on the question of same-sex marriage, and the support for same-sex marriage has declined, that actually suggests politically Gen Z is more conservative.
And I think this may be due to Liberals abort their kids.
ian crossland
And about internet, just like ideas spread like wildfire with internet, so do conservative ideas.
tim pool
Oh, you know what's crazy?
I was just thinking.
I bet liberals get pregnant way more than conservatives do.
ian crossland
It's totally possible.
tim pool
I think absolutely true.
ian crossland
If conservatives- If they got pregnant three times as much but had twice as many abortions, boom.
Or twice as much but twice as many abortions.
tim pool
Look at the point they're making about having less sex means you're conservative.
Conservatives, and especially Christian conservatives, very religious people, There's actually some new trends that are troubling that I've seen that show that the teens are just having less sex.
It's not because it's like the rise of the incels, right?
Like they watch porn instead of having sex.
you, but then they get tons of abortions.
terry schilling
There's actually some new trends that are troubling that I've seen that show that the
teens are just having less sex.
It's not because it's like the rise of the incels, right?
Like they watch porn instead of having sex.
And I think there's a real, you know, in Japan, parents hire like strippers and sex counselors
for their young sons because they don't pursue women.
They view their computers as their sexual gratification.
tim pool
It's happening everywhere, though.
Did you see Kim Jong-un crying?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Kim Jong-un cried, begging the women of North Korea to have more babies.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
And I'm like, wait, North Korea?
They don't have the internet there.
How are they having less kids there, of all places?
They aren't subject to the same social pressures as the West.
Western countries are.
terry schilling
What do you think causes baby boom?
My theory is that it's an optimism in the future, right?
So, like, the big baby boom we had, what?
All these guys came back from winning the war in World War II.
It was a huge baby boom.
I think we have a different problem now.
I think that there's a real pessimism in the future, and there's, like, a malaise that has taken over this country, and that's why you're seeing decreased fertility rates.
Because I tell you what, I have a lot of friends that haven't had kids yet.
Aren't married.
And their number one thing is, I don't want to bring a kid in this world.
It's so crazy.
And that's always stuck with me because I'm going the exact opposite route.
I'm like, no, I need more kids to change the world.
phil labonte
I strongly feel like the, I'm not bringing kids into the world because the world is terrible.
I feel like that's a cope.
terry schilling
It's a cope.
unidentified
It is.
phil labonte
I really don't think that's true.
tim pool
And I don't believe the economy stuff either.
I've mentioned this, eight casinos within two hours drive from where we are right now.
Like, these places can't exist.
People are dumping money.
And some people say, well, it's credit or it's irresponsible.
I'm like, yeah, sure, whatever.
Either way, people are choosing to use what money they have on other things.
It's often said, you know, people are always like, we're waiting for the right time to have kids.
There is no right time.
That's a myth.
terry schilling
It never gets easier, by the way.
It gets harder.
unidentified
So I'm 37.
terry schilling
It so I'm I'm 37 we had number six when I was 36 it was tough.
You're more tired.
You don't have the energy that you have when you're 23 or 19.
I had my first at 19.
Tons of energy.
It was still tough and challenging, but it's gotten harder and harder and more difficult.
Yeah, I can afford it more, but it is way more taxing on your energy levels and stress.
tim pool
Americans are morbidly obese, so it's not food.
So what is it?
It is interesting.
And remove it from the United States and look at North Korea.
North Korea's having population problems, and we assume that they're starving, but clearly food is not the issue when Kim Jong-un cries and begs his women to have more babies.
ian crossland
It might be like a collective consciousness thing.
This is a bit out there woo-woo, you would say.
But I do think there's something.
The collective consciousness, when like nine people feel good and then the tenth guy walks in the room, he might start feeling good too, just because he can feel the energy.
That's global.
That's in the Schumann resonance.
In the Earth's magnetic field, I think that there's some sort of communication.
But, like, I went through when I was 26 with this one girl we were talking about.
I was like, yeah, I don't want to have kids, because what you were saying, Terry, I don't want to bring them into this crap hellhole.
But I knew that was kind of fake.
We were saying it out loud, but in my head I was like, it's not really true, though.
But I did say I don't want to travel all over the world.
Like, my job's traveling, a lot of it is.
It has been throughout the years.
And I didn't want to leave them behind when I went and traveled.
And I don't want to be that dad that wasn't around, like, four days a week.
Because I wanted to tour I wanted to go to and I never ended up really touring but I still want to go to her when I want to tour but I don't know it's It doesn't but then at the loneliness of just getting on my computer and be like what another one of these days There's more to life How is it?
tim pool
I think this is really interesting that North Korea is experiencing this they they rule they control culture with an iron fist So it is interesting to see that's happening all over the place.
terry schilling
I You know, Russia did this huge experiment in the 1920s to abolish the family and they were too successful where they ended up having to reverse course because people weren't having kids anymore.
So what they did was they, I forget the term for it, but they like basically honored mothers.
Like if you were a mother of X amount of kids, you were given like the ultimate worker title.
And it was like the most glorious and venerated position in the country, and they ended up having to do a lot to reverse it.
Americans kind of chose it, though.
In the Soviet Union, they liberalized everything they did.
They made marriage a five-minute dissolution process.
They made you raise your kids away from the home.
You couldn't even have your grandma.
tim pool
It's all happening now.
terry schilling
It's happening.
But Americans actively chose it.
Like, we now are doing this whole women's lib thing, which, you know, I don't really care if women work, but like, why do you want- you're gonna work for someone, right?
You're gonna serve someone.
Why not your family?
Why not your kids?
Like, why do you want to work for Jeff Bezos over these little human beings that absolutely love you and will do anything to get your affection and love?
tim pool
I just gotta- I can simplify it dramatically.
Why would a woman choose to enter a pickle jar opening contest against a man?
And I'm being as silly and absurd with it as possible.
The joke being, of course, women can't open pickle jars.
Some women, of course, can.
My point is, yeah, men and women are different, and men do a lot of jobs that Women would not want to do, specifically due to physical differences.
Like carrying bodies out of burning buildings is a job for a man.
Why?
Sorry dude, there are some women that can do it.
But on average, overwhelmingly, it's going to be a guy who can lift a body and pull them to safety out of a burning building.
Why did society decide women should start competing with men in their role?
That led to a massive decline in birth rates.
terry schilling
What was... Look, I had... I don't think I had that unique of an experience, but my great-grandmother... So I'm the eldest of an LL7L, so I knew my great-grandmother was 60 when I was born.
She was the matriarch.
Like, no one messed with her.
She was the boss.
Like, you didn't want to be on her bad side.
You couldn't really fool her.
I never really grew up with this mindset that, like, women were inferior to men.
Like, it was never even a thing.
I actually always thought that like, I don't want to make grandma mad.
I don't want to make my mom mad.
I don't want to make, you know, it was just always, but so like, in my mind, women have always been elevated in our family.
And I don't think that that's that strange for most of America.
I think most people would defer and do what their great grandmother said or what their mother said.
And so you have this weird thing where women started fighting for equality when they had the whole world.
Someone tweeted, I forget who it was, but it might have been Peachy Keenan, who I'm a huge fan of, but she said the problem is that when you proclaim that women can do anything, they end up doing everything.
They're the breadwinner and the homemaker.
You spend less time with your kids, you spend the weekends doing all your chores and catching up on everything, and I don't know.
Women were elevated in society, and they were... I don't know.
It's puzzling.
tim pool
The end result is simple.
The people who have kids, their ideals will persist, their genetics will persist, and the people who don't won't.
It's just that simple.
terry schilling
Well, you were talking about Roe v. Wade earlier, and I think you're exactly right.
The real issue with Roe v. Wade is it didn't allow the states to experiment.
We didn't get to see how different abortion limits in different states and what that would produce.
Everyone had legalized abortion up until the moment of birth, and that was that.
And so now we actually have a situation where we can see the results of being a pro-life state, and how that is more beneficial to your society.
tim pool
I think the report was 32,000 births attributed to the overturning of Roe v. Wade.
terry schilling
That's huge!
tim pool
That ain't happening in blue states!
unidentified
No!
tim pool
So, if we actually see population decline reverse in red states due to actual human reproduction, blue states will still keep declining.
And then, they can bring in all the non-citizens they want to shore up their numbers, but all that matters is, do human beings have access to abortion?
Yes?
No.
If you don't, you're gonna have way more kids.
That's just it.
Basic math.
Y'all can make every argument to factor in every variable, but still, the overwhelming mass is going to be people in California.
They may increase their population every year by 100,000 per se.
But they're not having kids.
So it still will just be people aging and then passing on, and then they've got to keep... At the bare minimum, they're just maintaining themselves on a treadmill.
ian crossland
What if the illegal migrants have the kids?
tim pool
They also can have abortions, too.
Nothing's barring illegal immigrants from having abortions.
ian crossland
They don't seem... I don't know, this is a generalization, but in Mexico, for instance, it's much more culturally acceptable to have large families and lots of kids.
tim pool
Planned parenthoods tend to be in minority neighborhoods.
terry schilling
And they target them mercilessly with advertising and PR.
It's crazy.
tim pool
You may be right.
And I have considered this.
That's a different culture.
And we're not just talking about Mexico.
These illegal immigrants come from all over the world.
Many of them are coming from South and Central America.
They may be more religious and less likely to get abortions, but that doesn't change the pressure system that exists where, you mentioned, they're being targeted.
You've got, uh, South Park did that funny joke where, uh, South, uh, Cartman is a teacher and he's telling all the girls, all the Latina girls to get abortions and the black girls, he's like, just cheat, just get rid of the baby and you can be rich, do like what white people do.
But white conservatives are having kids!
ian crossland
Well here's the question then, you mentioned earlier the Soviet Union had given women like special benefits for having kids and I've heard like some countries lower tax burden up to like a hundred percent if you have four kids you don't have to pay any taxes at all.
So would there be any value to doing that for women that are illegal immigrants?
In the United States?
terry schilling
I think as a matter of rules, you can't give benefits to illegal immigrants.
You can't do any incentives for illegal immigration.
They're breaking the law.
We have to control our border.
But I do think that we have to do this for moms in America, right?
My wife works so hard, and I don't know how she does it half the time.
But It's almost like society looks down on moms, right?
Like, oh, you're a stay-at-home mom.
Yeah, that's way harder than your joke of a job sending press releases out for Google, as some low-level person.
Being a mom is a tough job, and it's the most important job.
In what world will you ever have your The people underneath you looking up to you like children do to their mothers, right?
Like, you will never get that in the workplace.
You die.
You start a successful business and you die.
You are forgotten, like, immediately.
They move on.
They find a replacement.
You don't do that with your mom.
You don't do that with your dad.
As long as they're good, you know what I mean?
But like, I don't know.
I'm kind of ranting now, but...
ian crossland
I don't understand the misogyny in general, where it's coming from, or why.
I mean, maybe it's just I wasn't around it growing up, because I had, similar to you, like a feminist... Phenomenal mother.
Like, the family was so legit, and she was like, if she said it, it happened.
Like, there was no denying her authority.
terry schilling
That was your experience, too.
unidentified
Yeah.
terry schilling
Yeah.
tim pool
It's coming from feminists.
Feminists want to... So you get feminists who want to be in masculine roles, and so they attack and attack and attack the feminine role.
And now we live in a society where the feminine role is looked down upon.
It's insulted.
And they argue that they're fighting for women.
terry schilling
I think that at the root of all of these people, these activists that are doing this, I don't think they came from happy households.
Right.
And so what they grew up with, they end up spreading to everyone else and they cause chaos and dysfunction for all of us.
And it just, it's like a cancer.
It keeps spreading.
And I mean, I don't know.
I, my, my, the women in my family ruled the roost.
And you know, if my wife were to say like, You're not doing this, guess what I'm not doing?
Right?
Like, I defer to my wife on everything.
She lets me lead most of the time, but at the end of the day, they make the rules.
And if they come down hard on something, you're not doing it.
It's not happening.
ian crossland
When I was like, I started making internet videos in 2006, and I was like 26 years old.
And there was this girl, I was like, maybe I'll start a family with this girl.
And then I was like, what would my life be like for the next 15 years?
I'll just be making internet videos of like me with my kids.
What value is that going to bring to society?
And now I realize, oh, it'll show people how to have a happy and healthy family.
And that's, then you create it in one spot and it has rippling fractal effects.
It's not like I need to go out there and impregnate every woman to have a bunch of kids.
I need to show the world how to have a family.
terry schilling
You know, there was a really cool Cheerios ad that came out years ago, like 2014, and it was how to dad.
And it's this dad walking through the house and how crazy it is being a dad and how fun it is.
It really showed the beauty of being a father.
And we need to make more content like that.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story as we talk about the potentials for 2024.
Military.com says, dozens of troops suspected of advocating overthrow of U.S.
government, Pentagon extremism report says.
What they're likely saying is that they found 183 people who posted things like, get woke, go broke, and I don't want to serve a woke military, but you know, let's hear what they actually say.
phil labonte
There's that dude that got booted because he was a communist, too, a couple years back.
tim pool
Oh yeah, remember they had the hat and said communism will win?
An annual Pentagon report on extremism within the ranks reveals that 78 service members were suspected of advocating for the overthrow of the U.S.
government, and another 44 were suspected of engaging or supporting terrorism.
The report released Thursday by the Defense Department Inspector General revealed that in fiscal 2023, there were 183 allegations of extremism across all branches of military, broken down not only into efforts to overthrow the government and terrorism, but also advocating for widespread discrimination or violence to achieve political goals.
Widespread discrimination?
Yo, that sounds like some guy might be like, we'll go broke.
I'm like, ah, there you go.
You're advocating for discrimination because only their rules apply.
ian crossland
And he emailed like four people, so it was widespread.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
And he contacted 10 or 11 people.
terry schilling
There's 103 allegations, or there's dozens. 183.
There's dozens of people they've identified.
So how many fed plants did it take to find them faking like they were going to set up a coup, right?
tim pool
That's what happened in Michigan.
If there's 183 allegations and they found 78 service members, then, you know, you do the math.
A few hundred.
Is it 105 that are feds?
terry schilling
It's gotta be.
tim pool
So the allegations like, well, yeah, but it's not a real one, because that guy was a Fed.
He was just goading people into saying these things.
phil labonte
It's Fedception, because technically people in the military are already Feds.
terry schilling
And he's overthrowing the government.
phil labonte
Federal agents inside the federal agency.
terry schilling
But advocating for the overthrow of the government, is that just, what counts as that?
Is it saying that Trump actually won in 2020?
You know.
ian crossland
It could be an FBI agent emailing a dude like, hey, want to overthrow?
And then the guy's like, just puts a thumbs up emoji on the question.
Like, it could be that.
And it'll be, he agreed.
tim pool
It's probably even more innocuous than that.
It's like, three dudes are sitting in a room playing Call of Duty, and then the fat just goes, you know, it'd be cool if, like, Trump actually got rid of Biden, right?
I'm like, yeah, sure, whatever, dude.
ian crossland
Or they say nothing.
tim pool
That's it!
phil labonte
We got him!
ian crossland
They didn't say no.
They just don't even respond to it.
He's like, well, they didn't say no to it.
Sure, whatever, dude.
Dude, I'm thinking of the business plot.
Smedley Butler, 500,000 troops about to march on Washington, D.C.
Like, they're talking about 50, 70 guys?
You kidding me?
tim pool
No, I think the bigger story here is not that there's extremists all over the government.
It's that the U.S.
military is basically weeding out anybody who believes in this country.
And so what I see as being more likely here is the troops they're accusing of sedition or whatever, or of, like, they're essentially accusing people of sedition, are probably like regular Americans who are like, hey man, you know, we got serious problems with corruption.
Donald Trump tried to withdraw troops from Syria and they blocked him.
ian crossland
Yeah, Joe Biden's son's on an energy board in Ukraine where we have troops.
What the hell's going on?
tim pool
And if you say things like that, they're They're gonna get mad about it.
They're gonna call you an extremist.
They're gonna look at look what military comm they posted was his Patriot Front They posted a photo of Patriot Front to refer to these U.S.
troops.
Now look, don't get me wrong, some of these guys might be communists too.
Like Phil brought up, there was that one viral story about the guy, what was it, he like went to West Point?
phil labonte
Yeah, he would have been a, as a graduate of West Point, he would have been an officer.
And he had a shirt that said, communism will win, or not.
terry schilling
It was in his hat or something.
tim pool
It was in his hat, and then he held his hat to the camera.
phil labonte
He held his hat and he did the fist up, you know.
So, he's still on Twitter, he's very low-key and stuff, but I follow him.
tim pool
They discharged him?
phil labonte
Yeah, he got booted.
tim pool
I see what's going on in the U.S.
with the woke left, and I just think there's like a 70% overlap with Nazis and the left.
I mean, the hatred of Jews is Absurd, the conspiracy theories, the racial segregationist policies, the collectivist action, the use of symbols.
It's like almost the same thing.
phil labonte
The whole of the like World War II was the left fighting the left and they drew America in.
It was the communists and the Nazis fighting, which is, they're both statist, both collectivist, and the United States is based on liberal principles, which put the individual first.
And they drug us into their BS European garbage war.
ian crossland
They got FDR to go fascist.
He got rid of the gold standard.
He basically made this country super fascist, printed all this money.
phil labonte
There's an argument that And I generally have a bad and negative opinion of FDR, but there is an argument to be made that I've heard people make that is compelling.
That is, FDR existed in a time when socialism and big government was It was omnipresent, it was ascendant, it was everywhere, and the policies that, and the argument that people make pro-FDR is that the policies that FDR put into place, the social safety nets, actually prevented the United States from turning into an actual socialist country.
They were, you know, they were things that obviously liberals and libertarian minded people don't approve of, but the point wasn't Intended to get more power to the government because they wanted to get more power to the government, but it was to prevent the people from turning the United States into a socialist government.
Now, I'm not sure that the argument is compelling to me.
I'm not sure that I buy it, but I've heard it and You know, at least it's at least it's like, well, OK, that makes sense when you think of the context of the whole world, the whole Western world, at least in the in the 30s and 40s.
You know, it was like that was when, you know, big government and stuff was really having its kind of heyday.
ian crossland
Yeah, Great Depression, 1929, and then all these governments are reeling all over the planet.
How do we come back from this banker inception?
Did the bankers cause that?
I don't really know, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same guys that built the Federal Reserve, that tried to overthrow FDR in 1933 with the business plot that made the bankers trust in 1903, like these bankers, J.P.
Morgan, Rockefeller, Paul Warburg, all these dudes, if they were involved with With causing the Great Depression in order to buy the country up right after that.
And maybe they wanted it to be fascism, but FDR was like, no, it's going to be socialist.
tim pool
Those are the conspiracy theories.
ian crossland
That wouldn't surprise me at all, because it was like fascism or socialism or die.
It was one or the other.
You either want massive central corporate co-op, or you want, I don't know what else the other option is, socialism, social systems, but without the corporations.
tim pool
Authoritarianism.
ian crossland
Centralized control.
tim pool
You know, these arguments about left and right and, you know, communists and fascists don't matter all that much.
It's authoritarian versus libertarian for the most part.
It's centralized versus decentralized.
And so, whatever they claim the far right to be is meaningless, because it doesn't actually describe what their concern is.
Their concern is other.
And then when we say far left, it doesn't actually describe, for the most part, our concerns, because the concern is centralization of power among anybody.
It could be corporations, it could be government officials.
Well there you go, I guess I just- You solved it, thank you.
ian crossland
You got the 100.
Yeah man, centralization's no joke.
I mean it is, you can see the power of it in mass mobilization appeal, but then you look at Kim Jong-un sitting all alone in his palace with all the authority in the world and the women aren't having sex.
phil labonte
Well not in the world, just in North Korea.
ian crossland
Can't make those girls get pregnant.
tim pool
No, it's actually simple, it's because they want to be with him.
ian crossland
Oh, maybe.
tim pool
That's right.
They're all saving themselves, hoping that one day, you know, honestly, that that could be a component, especially of centralized dictatorships with a cult of personality.
There could be a lot of women hoping that they get chosen.
So they want to be pure.
And that results in a trend in their culture.
phil labonte
There's also the possibility.
I mean, allegedly, if I understand correctly, there's a lot of starvation going on in North Korea.
And if you can't keep yourself alive because you can't get enough food, it's probably hard to get pregnant, too.
ian crossland
Yeah, if anyone that has a girlfriend or a wife would know that if she's hungry, that's about where it ends right there.
phil labonte
I mean, yeah, if she's hungry, you're not getting laid.
That's true.
But I was more thinking about the biological process of actually building the human being inside the womb.
It starts there.
But yeah, you know, Snickers, because she ain't the same when she's hungry.
You ain't getting none.
tim pool
You want yourself.
Yeah, but I don't know.
Going back to the military.com stuff with the claims about... I mean, it's a sensationalist headline.
Suspected of advocating overthrow of U.S.
government.
Probably is some dude on his computer being like, man, this administration sucks.
Somebody should remove Joe Biden.
phil labonte
Yeah, whatever it is, it's just about, we're going into an election year.
There's less than a year until the election, and the government wants the media being, in my opinion, an arm of the government.
They want people to be afraid of Donald Trump, the way they were.
tim pool
Have you seen those videos where it's like, Joe Scarborough, Trump's gonna make Rachel Maddow, he's gonna try and execute us.
Rachel Maddow actually suggested Donald Trump, we'll have them executed.
terry schilling
So that stuff freaks me out because they project what they really want to do.
They're imprisoning us.
phil labonte
You are 100% accurate.
terry schilling
It's freaky.
It freaks me out when they start talking like that and accusing you of it.
tim pool
Is that the new poll?
Do you think Democrats win in 2024 and they'll start executing their political opponents?
phil labonte
I mean, look, there are definitely people on both sides that are at that point where they're like, look, it's just time to start cutting people up, you know?
That's scary!
I mean, I think there's always people like that.
tim pool
Yeah, but the question is if they are projecting and saying that Donald Trump wants to execute them.
Is that a projection of them suggesting that you would?
terry schilling
We have to do it, otherwise they'll do it to us.
I mean, that's where that stuff leads.
tim pool
You get these videos, we talked about like Pearl Davis and the Manosphere stuff.
You have all these guys being like, nope, every man in the world would cheat on their wives.
And it's like, you're just saying you would.
Like, you're saying you would.
You're saying in your mind, if you experienced this, you would cheat on your wife.
Not everyone is like you.
So when they scream, Donald Trump is going to do this stuff to us, what they're really saying is, we'd do it if we had the power, and if they get the power, they'll do it to us.
Because they view that as the path forward.
phil labonte
I strongly agree with that sentiment.
People tend to believe other people are going to do what they would do, given the circumstances.
ian crossland
Why do they think this about Donald Trump?
Is it because he said he wants revenge?
tim pool
No, it's because it's projection.
ian crossland
Did he give a hint?
tim pool
I don't think Trump said revenge.
He said retribution, right?
ian crossland
Retribution.
tim pool
Yeah.
So the issue is, the reason why there are these guys that are advocating this idea where every guy was given the opportunity to cheat on their wife, they would.
ian crossland
Yeah, I saw that one.
Push the button and no one will know.
tim pool
It's in their mind.
In their mind, they can't see a circumstance in which they personally would feel differently.
They can't empathize or comprehend.
Another person might be like, no, I would not do that.
And it's so shocking that the feeling in them is so strong, the desire to cheat on their wives, that they can't imagine any other man could resist that urge to cheat on their wives, which is it's insane.
Because not only are you talking about a guy not being able to control how horny he is to not cheat on his wife, but that no guy has the integrity, honor, or force of will.
phil labonte
I think part of that with the whole, like, people that are just like, oh, you know they would, it's because they've never had the opportunity to.
Like, if you're a guy that's, like, in a situation where you get one girl and that's, like, you landed her and you don't, you know, you don't get second looks very much and you're not particularly charismatic.
tim pool
They're also saying they never found the one.
phil labonte
You know, you're just like, oh, yeah, I would totally because, well, that's like I would never have the opportunity, you know, outside of this one particular situation that I have.
And if I was presented with the opportunity, it would be such it's such a rare thing.
I don't feel like I could control myself and say no.
If you have options.
You're kind of like, I don't want to mess up the good thing.
tim pool
Well, it's also suggesting that these guys who are saying this never met someone they truly loved.
phil labonte
Maybe.
tim pool
And so they're just like, these people don't matter that much to me.
I would, of course, break my word.
But I'm not trying to get into that conversation.
My point is, this feeling within people, they cannot imagine thoughts outside of their perspective.
So when Rachel Maddow says Trump will arrest and execute us, in her mind, she's thinking
about how she would feel with that power.
And in her mind, she would arrest and execute Donald Trump.
It is projection.
Something they believe humans are capable because they're capable of it.
ian crossland
When I'm trying to empathize with someone that thinks differently than me, first thing
I do is I visualize them with a blank slate.
Not literally a blank slate, but like, there is no emotions.
Before I try and visualize what they're feeling, I have to let go of what I'm feeling.
That's the first step.
If you just try and feel what they're feeling, your emotions are already present.
So you have to blank it.
You have to get rid of it.
And then you can kind of start to think, it could be anything, what they're going through.
Why do I think what I have to say is any valuable?
tim pool
Well, let's talk about how Gen Z's feeling.
From the Daily Mail.
Younger Americans fearing 2024 election could spark a civil war are preparing for disaster.
40% of Gen Z have spent money on doomsday preparations new survey finds.
And it was 2,179 U.S.
adults in January to February.
And they found 40% had bought prepping supplies.
And the majority believe it's because there may be civil unrest or civil war in the next year.
phil labonte
I wonder what prepping supplies counts as because if they're just like, oh, well, they bought a handgun and that's prepping supplies.
I'm a little leery about whether they're actually interested in preparing for emergencies, but if there's like, well, I don't think it's that simple.
tim pool
I think it's, uh, it's a, they were asked if they'd spent money preparing for emergencies.
So it's likely going to be flashlights.
phil labonte
Change the batteries in my, in my, uh, Fire alarm.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's so many.
I got a life straw.
tim pool
We got a bunch of them.
We probably have like 50 downstairs.
ian crossland
I ordered a machete.
I got a knife.
I got a life straw.
I got extra shoelaces just in case I have to go hunting.
phil labonte
Buy blowout kits.
Buy tourniquets and gauze.
tim pool
So it seems like a large portion are concerned but I do think that The headline is a bit misleading.
The reality is 40% of Gen Z has spent money on preparing for an emergency.
Now, how many of them are doing it because they fear civil war?
I don't know if it's that much.
That's actually not stated in the story.
But I do think the fact that Gen Z has actually considered buying things.
These are people who claim to be broke, can't afford food, can't afford to buy homes, are saying the boomers ripped them off and stole all the wealth and all that stuff.
But they're going to spend money preparing for disasters.
It says one of two things.
One, Gen Z is, as we already mentioned before, more conservative and thinking long term, and that's all it really means.
Or, In their world, they are seeing things that give them reason to believe emergencies, disasters, and potential conflict may be arising in the future.
The reason why boomers are probably less likely to do things like this is because in their minds, civil war's not possible.
But to Gen Z, society's already broken.
I mean, these are young people who are teenagers in the first recession, and they're watching all that happen around them.
Millennials, I'd imagine, would be in a similar place.
Or I wonder, If this suggests projection as to what they think is going to happen in 2024.
Meaning, many Gen Z people, not all of them, not necessarily the plurality, are far left, are engaging in acts of violence every day, and so the reason they believe they need to prepare for disasters is because they might be the disaster.
terry schilling
So I think you're spot on.
I think the only way an actual like open civil war happens is if Republicans take back power and then the left starts doing activity.
tim pool
No, I don't think so.
terry schilling
You think it could be started by a right winger?
tim pool
I think it will in 99% chance be started by a right winger.
terry schilling
I just, I don't know, I think that, I just don't see it.
I think all of the talk about the right wing starting a civil war, I just think it's warping.
tim pool
What are the hot catalyst issues that could lead to a civil war in this country?
terry schilling
Donald Trump getting elected.
tim pool
In what way?
The Democrats you think will go and target states?
terry schilling
Yeah, well no, I think you'll see BLM and Antifa on steroids.
They really do believe that he is Hitler.
I mean, they have been brainwashed to believe that he is.
tim pool
I think maybe neolibs do, but when Trump got elected the first time we had a large riot in DC and that was kind of it.
And that it wasn't until the summer of love that things got truly, truly bad.
It's possible that if Donald Trump won in 2020, West Coast states would have seceded from the Union as per that Boston Globe report, which could be the catalyst for a civil war.
And so that's a more direct, formal... However, Republicans are more likely in that regard to just be like, see you later!
So what I actually see is abortion, border security, and foreign war.
Antifa, you know, maybe would try and facilitate some kind of escalation of conflict, they believe they are, because they want to destroy the system and burn it down.
But in terms of issues that are affecting this country that could lead to someone actually getting organized and calling for conflict, I feel like it's more likely to come from someone on the right.
Meaning, I've talked about Oklahoma and Colorado sharing a border, where Oklahoma has banned abortion in all cases and Colorado has allowed it up to the point of birth.
That's the kind of, you know, oil and water mixture happening right there on the border that can result in major conflict.
You've also got child sex changes.
Is it going to be a leftist?
Who brings a bunch of guns and opens fire on law enforcement and government because a child was not able to get a sex change?
Or is it going to be a father and a crew of his friends who get armored vehicles drive into California to rescue a child who was captured or taken, kidnapped by someone to give them a sanctuary sex change operation?
terry schilling
Yeah, and maybe that is what- maybe the left, you know, they're passing those laws in Washington and Minnesota and California that allow them to- the state to kidnap kids that end up making- Not even the state, third parties.
tim pool
So, uh, I think- I think it could be Oregon.
I believe it's Oregon.
Uh, a- a random person could bring a child from anywhere to that state for a sex change and the state will not go after that person who did.
terry schilling
Maybe they're baiting.
Maybe they're trying to get someone provoked.
tim pool
Maybe, but my point is the left is playing this game where it's just the destruction of the system all around everyone.
When they take institutions, they destroy it.
They wear it like a skin suit.
If it is going to escalate to a conflict, it's already the left, the federal government, The Biden administration that are targeting and destroying things, if it's going to become a civil war, it's going to be because someone on the right did something.
ian crossland
I can kind of identify with that.
tim pool
Real quick, I guess we can say it this way.
The left is already engaged in the conflict.
It's not a civil war because only one side is engaged in violence.
ian crossland
Yeah, so you take the hypothetical that Trump got elected again, and then there were riots again like there were last time for whatever reason.
But last time I was like, where's the National Guard?
Why is it three days now?
On the third day I was like, what?
They haven't stopped these riots?
So let's say the National Guard does get called up this time, and then some nihilists in the crowd that are rioting are like, I'm gonna die for this cause.
They have fully given up and they're willing to die.
They charge a police officer, try and grab his gun, get shot.
Yeah, that kind of thing I can see, like crazy disillusion nihilists that maybe are wearing all black and they just run at cops, like, that could then, the media will be like, cops, gun down!
And you're like, well, geez.
And then the media inflames, I could see like that.
But my real concern is the power goes out, the internet goes out, and then just dudes show up at your house with weapons and stuff.
terry schilling
I think the most likely scenario is essentially that there is some small little thing, relatively small, and the government says, we've uncovered a plot.
And now they start rounding up people.
I think Democrats in power is much more Nazi-esque, right?
tim pool
Republicans aren't going to do what you described, though.
terry schilling
Well, yeah.
tim pool
I mean, if you're Antifa, if you're actually a militant group... Trump is not going to start rounding up leftists.
terry schilling
No, he won't.
I agree.
tim pool
But I think the Democrats literally already are.
terry schilling
Already are.
And they're getting away with it.
They're getting away with it.
tim pool
Right.
And there are January 6th defendants who shut up an hour after the riot.
Walked up stairs with no barricades, no glass.
Cops waved people and opened the doors and they were waving little American flags like, what's going on here?
And then they were like, now you're an insurrectionist.
And they're like, huh?
We just walking down the street.
We don't even know what's going on.
We weren't even anywhere near an hour ago.
Doesn't matter.
Those people are already getting locked up.
So the Biden administration is already rounding up innocent Trump supporting Americans And they're being raided every single day.
So this is already happening in this country.
terry schilling
But it's a one-sided civil war.
tim pool
Right.
Which is why, you can say, it's not a civil war.
If people on the right take up arms and start resisting, not civil war.
Where I think the appropriate path is Donald Trump is on a path to victory.
We're winning culturally and so the last thing you want is an escalation of violence to legitimize the things that the left is trying to do.
They want the conflict because a civil war would allow them to destroy the Constitution and then overwrite this country and march in with boots.
Where a lot of regular people would just get on their knees and say, you know, do whatever you want.
So if Trump gets in, and we actually start arresting and removing these people and have trials for them, then that's the victory.
ian crossland
I think if the culture is, like, hateful, it doesn't matter.
Whoever gets in, it's still gonna happen.
It's like 1932, Germany, like, we have an opportunity to change people's minds before they adopt Nazism.
That's where we're at right now.
tim pool
Yeah, but the right... People call the right useless because they won't even file criminal charges against criminals.
The circumstance in which Donald Trump takes power and then starts actually arresting, prosecuting, and like Rachel Maddow's psychotic statement, executing people is zero.
Absolutely zero.
Trump did nothing during the summer of love riots.
He kept tweeting... He was tweeting law and order.
That's all he was doing.
terry schilling
Well he, so I have a friend who told me, he was in the administration, but he told me that Trump wanted to do the National Guard but he was advised not to because the military wouldn't do it.
Like they would not follow his orders and that it would cause an even bigger crisis to have military leaders.
tim pool
Then Trump lost a long time ago.
terry schilling
No, I'm not saying that.
tim pool
I don't know if that sounds a little bit extreme.
If you instructed the National Guard to be deployed or whatever because of mass riots, they'd just go stand on street corners.
terry schilling
But look at Portland, right?
Is the Oregon National Guard actually going to go into Portland and bring law and order to that city?
tim pool
Donald Trump, if that was the case, if I was the president and someone said, if you call for law enforcement to stop these riots, they'll disobey the orders and then it'll create a constitutional crisis where the president appears to have no authority.
I'd be like, oh, I'll get on the TV right now.
Let's roll.
Let's roll, baby.
Let's make sure everybody in Oregon hears me say, we want the violence in your neighborhoods to stop.
And we are asking law enforcement to uphold the law.
And then if they refuse to do it, then you say, okay, you are a lawless state and you are in an insurrection.
But it's fair that they wanted Trump to do this, to use the imagery and claim that Trump was a dictator who was rolling in tanks and all that stuff.
That doesn't matter to me.
If Trump was unwilling to shut down the riots out of fear of the perception, and all he was doing was tweeting law and order, then he was not an effective president.
So, I do think what's likely going to happen is if Trump gets elected is it just puts a dam in place.
The Democrats have already, I mean, the Clinton Foundation's gone.
I mean, they're bringing it back, I guess.
Their fingers are crossed.
But if Trump wins, then this machine is done.
Already with Kevin McCarthy losing the speakership, that's a billion dollars in IOUs that are just toilet paper.
So, if we keep this up, culturally we're winning, and if politically we take it or even resist to a great degree, it's done.
And I think what they desperately need is violence.
So again, back to the point about Gen Zers concerned about this, perhaps because many of them are progressive and they know what they are going to do.
You know, it's kind of like...
A guy who buys fire insurance on his house and then a day later his house burns down.
You're like, you were really concerned about your house burning down yesterday.
And then it burned down.
You know?
Convenient.
Hey, Gen Zers, you're really concerned about an upcoming disaster.
Is there something going on in your mind?
Have you been marching in protests?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
You get the point.
But who knows?
ian crossland
Yeah, I wonder from just that headline, that Daily Mail headline, if it's actually conflated.
tim pool
It is conflated, definitely.
ian crossland
If the people legitimately in the thing said, I am afraid of a civil war, and I have, because of that I have ordered it, or they're just like, they're just assuming they were afraid of a civil war?
tim pool
No, they're phrasing it that way to get clicks.
But the reality is, 40% of Gen Z prepared for an emergency, a large portion, whatever that means, it could be 10%, it could be, I'd imagine it'd at least be a double digit if you're saying a large portion, Or more than that, said they feared civil war.
But I'll tell you what I actually think is very, very likely.
I think the most likely outcome is that one year from now, we are sitting in this room saying, we don't know who won in certain states.
We don't know who won Arizona and Georgia.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think that's realistic.
The day of modern politics is over.
I mean, you consider it over.
Like, we can't just assume that a vote Does it now?
It's no longer that way anymore with machines and computers tallying stuff behind the scenes in secret.
Like, we need to make the world the best we can make it on our own and not have to appeal to authorities.
Like, that's the whole private sector, the purpose of this country.
So let's kick it into overdrive.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean we like that's essentially the argument that like the Libertarian Party has been making for 30 years, but the population really wants to use the government to make other people live the way that they want them to.
Like, that's really what it boils down to.
Democrats that vote for Democrat policies, they're really voting so that way they can instill the policies that they prefer.
And same thing for the Republicans.
That we just need to empower people and not have government be powerful.
That's the argument that, you know, like I said, that's the argument libertarians have been making for forever and Republicans used to make.
You know, I think Goldwater was the guy that said, Liberty in or extremism in pursuit of Liberty is no vice it there are people in the US or most people aren't really that interested in Liberty the way that like you know the way that we we hear people say they are because
It just pans out in elections every four years or two years.
tim pool
Libertarians believe in liberty, but conservatives and liberals do not.
Conservative ideology entertains liberty to a greater degree than liberals do, which is really funny.
It's paradoxical.
Liberals today, the modern liberal, is one of the most cult-like political bodies we've seen in a long time.
Conservatives, however, Yo, take these, uh, check out these, um, what is the website?
IDRLabs or whatever?
Moral Foundations quiz based on Jonathan Hicks' research.
And these questions are gnarly.
One of them is like, uh, they ask you on a scale of not okay, so it's very, like, what is the scale?
It's like, Not okay, somewhat okay, not sure, uh, not okay, or it's like... What am I saying?
There's not okay at all, a little okay, and then there's... I'm gonna get back to neutral, but there's five degrees.
That's what I'm trying to say.
And so you can say this is good, it's okay, it's bad, it's really bad.
And one of the questions is, a man makes a lifelike doll of his niece for self-gratification, is that okay or not?
Libertarians are like, totally fine.
And conservatives are like, no!
And liberals are like, I don't know about that, but maybe.
And so libertarians have one moral foundation.
This is funny.
Liberty, that's it.
They don't care about fairness.
They don't care about anything.
They care about, you leave me alone, I can do whatever I want.
So long as you're not hurting another person, you can do whatever you want.
And the argument is, hey, this doll doesn't hurt anybody.
Let him mind his own business.
And I'm kind of like, yeah, that's not okay.
terry schilling
But it leads to more, right? Like, okay, you allow this and then guess what? You don't just
have that guy making it, then he turns it into a company.
And now you have a whole pedophile industry of people that are now fueling it. And guess what?
That pedophile industry that's making these childlike sex dolls, it's now a billion dollar
industry. Now they're reinvesting it into changing the laws to promote pedophilia.
phil labonte
A lot of steps beyond just the... But that's how it starts!
tim pool
But the point is, there's no reason to talk about that, the most extreme behaviors.
The point is, libertarians care only about liberty.
And if a society was based purely on liberty, you would see very extreme things happening all over the place.
Lots of drug abuse, extreme drug abuse.
ian crossland
Blow libertarians' mind, like what you're saying, if you actually, child pornography, the industry, Girls are being solicited for that industry, which is why watching it is illegal, because people are being used.
But if you have an AI that looks like a young girl, and then they start to go into haptic feedback VR to have relations, like, it's not a sex doll, it's an actual virtual image of a real person.
tim pool
And the point is, we're not talking about any of that.
The conversation is not even about libertarians, it's about the question of liberty.
Conservatives believe in liberty within their moral framework.
Liberals believe in liberty within their moral framework.
The liberal moral framework is substantially more narrow than conservatives, and then true libertarians have an extremely expansive idea of what is disallowed morally.
So, we could say on a relative scale of liberal to conservative in this country, conservatives believe in liberty more than liberals do.
ian crossland
I think the conservative party identifies with libertarianism really in a lot of ways.
tim pool
In a lot of ways, but there are a lot of things they would not accept, like parents telling their kids to get sex changes or things like that.
So clearly there is a moral line where conservatives say, no you are not free to do this.
phil labonte
And also there's a lot of things that we're portraying here as permissive that libertarians believe, whereas there are libertarians that are pro-life.
Not all libertarians are There's an argument that anything that would hurt a child, or actually those are constantly made, anything that would hurt a child is the same reason why you can have a pro-life libertarian because it's not that the government is sticking its nose in, it's that if there's a legitimate role for government, protecting the life of an innocent person is one of the things that would be a legitimate role.
tim pool
Here's what I want to say about next year.
We're going to have an election in some kind of television sense.
There's going to be a... I'd imagine every state's going to have a lawsuit.
I can't imagine.
I mean, maybe the solid blue and the solid red just don't, because there's no point.
Any state considered a swing state, it's going to be jammed up in the courts.
You're going to have state legislatures coming out screaming, being like, no way, no way.
It's going to get way more vocal.
When the media calls, you're gonna have different media outlets, I think it's very likely, you'll have like MSNBC say, and Arizona goes to Joe Biden!
And then you're gonna have RealClearPolitics say, and no, Arizona's going to Donald Trump.
Because they're just projecting who they think the winner is.
And the races will be contested, it'll be tight, there'll be judges' rulings, some sides will say, they don't, one side will say, no, that judge's ruling is void, oh, there's a Trump lawyer, or there's a Trump judge.
phil labonte
It's gonna be a mess.
tim pool
Yeah, it's gonna be December, and we're gonna be like, well, we think Trump won, but the media's reporting it might not be the case, we don't know.
ian crossland
I feel bad for people that are heavily invested in politics, and I feel like those are the people that should not have political power.
Because that's a cult.
That is a cult worship game, and the media is fully manipulating it.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
Do not let that shit make you emotional.
Just make your best stuff.
Now is the time.
So what do we do?
We make a band.
We release a million to one.
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
Next year...
In December, when we're sitting in this room and we're like, we don't know who the winner actually is because different media outlets are reporting different projections, there's active lawsuits like we saw in 2020, and we're gonna be sitting like, I mean look, what I'm describing literally already happened.
In 2020, you had states in lawsuits, Texas v Pennsylvania, a national, original jurisdiction lawsuit, and it was the media reporting Biden won, but the whole thing was being contested, and a bunch of reports are coming up about adjudication.
But the state legislatures in the states where it mattered were not holding press conferences, were not challenging these results, and they should have been, and that would have forced Mike Pence's hand when it came to the electoral vote count.
Or the certification process.
ian crossland
This kind of show is good, and it'll probably be good next year, too.
Because we don't punch at the system.
We don't go directly at it to try and ruin it.
That's the big problem that a lot of people in politics make, is they'll go right at it, angry.
And that'll lose you the game.
But we're good at encompassing it, I think, just to let people know what's going on.
But I think that complaining is not the answer.
We've got to create something bigger.
phil labonte
I would like to ruin it, personally.
ian crossland
Depend on how you're into that, because if it's a really bad thing, it should be stopped.
But it should be changed, not just ruined into smoking ash, I think.
Tell me what you want to turn it into.
tim pool
Failure needs to happen, man.
ian crossland
That's what Ron Paul's been saying for 30 years.
tim pool
Failure needs to be possible.
phil labonte
A pile of smoking ashes is kind of what I want.
ian crossland
Just like $9,000 cheeseburgers?
That'd be so horrible.
phil labonte
What?
ian crossland
We're not talking about economic ruin?
phil labonte
No, not economic ruin.
We're talking about the politics.
tim pool
Yeah, the bureaucratic system, the revolving door policies, the lobbying system, all of it needs to be shut down.
phil labonte
The government, the economy that we have in the United States can absolutely operate entirely independent of the government.
The government does not, we do not need the government to have an economy at all.
Period.
In fact, when you argue against the Federal Reserve and when you're talking about the creature from Jekyll Island and stuff, the argument you're essentially making is, keep the government out of the banking industry because that's the first thing the government does to get into the economy.
You know, so if you want to have government, if you want to get rid of the Federal Reserve, you're, by the very nature of the argument, arguing to keep the government out of the economy.
terry schilling
I think the government needs to enforce fairness.
I think the problem with the Federal Reserve is that they're doing price controls on borrowing money, on the value of money.
I think, Tim, you were pointing out that conservatives support liberty within their moral framework and liberals are the same way.
I think that's right, but I think that the difference is that I view myself as a conservative or America First guy.
I want the laws to reflect the basic foundations of morality.
You can't kill, you can't steal, you break up monopolies when they get too powerful and have too much control over people.
phil labonte
How do you get to breaking up monopolies from basic morality?
terry schilling
Well, if someone has the market cornered and they're able to jack up prices unfairly, they can really... Corporations should not, private corporations should not have more power than the government.
tim pool
Right, but I think the government's actually causing these problems.
terry schilling
No, I agree.
I totally agree.
I think government's doing everything it shouldn't and nothing of what it should.
So, like, we have a liberalized government.
So, I want basic things.
No sex changes for kids, right?
Limit abortion to something that's reasonable.
Protect the unborn.
No stealing.
No fraud.
You know, all of that.
The left, on the other hand, they don't believe in any of the basic morality and foundations of it.
They want to control every other aspect of your life.
So it's like, yeah, get unlimited abortions, have free sex.
But guess what?
Now we own you.
Now we get with all your income.
We get to control every other aspect of your life.
I think that's the big difference.
And so I think it's much better to start with the basics.
I don't like the Federal Reserve because they price control the money.
But it is nice to have a banking system that all works and makes sense.
Now the question is maybe this is just not possible.
ian crossland
I love that you brought up breaking up monopolies.
That's like your number three thing you felt like the government should be doing.
Behind what were the other two, whatever they were.
terry schilling
No killing, no stealing.
ian crossland
No killing, no stealing, break up monopolies.
Breaking up monopolies is a huge part of it.
Alphabet, that owns Google, that owns YouTube, is massively monopolized.
I mean, you could argue it's monopolized social media.
terry schilling
They buy up upstarts that are threats to them, that could disrupt them, and then just kill it.
ian crossland
But the problem is, like, Vanguard, BlackRock, and State Street aren't American.
The American government can't, like, stop it.
They're global corporations, so I don't know how antitrust would work in the modern age.
terry schilling
They've got some ties.
There's always some leverage that we would have over that.
I mean, we still have some say over things.
phil labonte
How are Vanguard and BlackRock, like, what are they a monopoly of?
ian crossland
Ownership of corporations.
I don't know if I would consider them monopolies, necessarily.
If they are, they can't be... multinational monopolies are concerning.
I should put it that way.
phil labonte
For it to be a monopoly, it has to be one industry that they control.
ian crossland
20% of every industry.
That's how they get away with not seeming like monopolies.
tim pool
How about something like, if your assets exceed a certain number, or something like that, right?
If the value of your company exceeds that of several nation states, then there's going to be some restrictions put in place.
ian crossland
And it's you and all of your subsidiary companies, including all your personal wealth, and personal wealth of those that you could argue are invested in your company, if they have 1% of the company, the 1% of the wealth.
phil labonte
Nobody that has significant wealth has it personally.
I mean, Elon Musk is the richest man in the world, but the reason he's rich is because he owns all the rockets at SpaceX, and he owns all the Tesla cars that they haven't sold yet, and all the machines.
tim pool
And he can only cash out a certain amount of money in stock, same thing with Bezos.
ian crossland
But I mean, if I owned 1% of BlackRock, and I also owned another company worth $100 million, you'd have to take that company into account.
In the value of BlackRock now, because I'm a part owner in it, so it would just be my personal, it would be my corporate wealth as well.
tim pool
But value is nebulous.
Value doesn't mean anything.
ian crossland
It's so entangled in other corporations' value that it's hard to show, like, that's a monopoly on paper, but it is.
It feels like it.
Or trinopoly, I don't know what you'd call it.
tim pool
What Phil is saying is that you're talking about perceived value, not actual value.
You're talking about imaginary wealth numbers.
phil labonte
Yeah, it's unrealized.
ian crossland
In what way?
phil labonte
It's unrealized because it hasn't sold.
So if you have something that's worth $10, right?
ian crossland
Like mines.
Let's say they own the mines.
It's untangible.
What are those mines worth?
Whatever you can get out of the ground.
phil labonte
We don't know yet.
That kind of stuff, there's estimates that When you can look at a mine, or at least people in the mining business can look at a mine and they can say, well, we estimate that there's X amount of value here, you know, from they'll do core samples or they'll do test digs and stuff and they say,
Oh, you know we can we can guess that it's about X amount of dollars per yard that you can actually get out of this and it'll cost X amount of dollars to process the the yard of material so you're though they can actually do that kind of profit and the same thing with like oil companies and stuff they can they can look at what they figure an oil field is worth and stuff so for the most part when you're talking about you know that kind of industry like when you're you know whether it be mining or or you know oil oil stuff that's the kind of stuff that we're at least referencing now um in this context when you talk about that kind of stuff there's very advanced there's
Entire industries built around just projecting what you can get out of a certain endeavor, whether it be, you know, an oil field or a mine or whatever.
So the idea that that you couldn't tell what the value is, that's not quite true.
ian crossland
Like ad revenue, based on last year's numbers.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, next year's numbers.
Yeah, that kind of stuff is like we know that like all that remains.
We know generally what our our publishing checks are going to be because they're about, you know, we get similar uh, spins every month if we don't put anything new out and
stuff. So it's just that when you say monopoly, I'm not sure what you're actually talking about
because it's, because it just sounds like the more you talk about it, it just sounds like
having the government tell people what they can do with their check out these weird numbers.
ian crossland
BlackRock's net worth as of November of 2023, its net worth for the company is $106 billion.
phil labonte
Is that how much they're worth?
ian crossland
That's the net worth of the company.
How much money they move around?
Over $9 trillion a year.
So they're worth a hundred billion, but they move nine trillion around every year.
So they're worth nine trillion.
They control that money.
phil labonte
No, they're not worth nine trillion.
ian crossland
What is money?
phil labonte
It's your ability to use it.
tim pool
You are wrong.
ian crossland
Nine million under management.
serge du preez
So, like, value and money aren't the same thing.
You understand that, right?
ian crossland
Money is nothing without value.
serge du preez
Right, correct.
Yes, correct.
ian crossland
So they're moving the value around, so they control the value.
tim pool
Unless your money is like a silver coin, and then it's... Only if they want to say silver is worth anything is it become worth money.
Their whole business... It's not they.
The value exists in the confidence of the people.
ian crossland
Hopefully, yeah.
unidentified
Hopefully it does.
tim pool
Hopefully it's a net.
ian crossland
That's what makes it a currency.
phil labonte
Their whole business model is to manage other people's money.
So the trillions of dollars that you're looking at that they're managing, that's other people's money.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's like your banker.
You don't give him your money and then the banker does something else to just do whatever he wants.
ian crossland
If I had the ability to give all you guys money, but I'm like, I'm only worth a couple hundred bucks, but I could give you ten million if you please me, who controls the money?
phil labonte
That's not your money to give, or it's not their money to give away.
ian crossland
No, exactly.
Technically it's not, but they still monopolize the ability to move it around.
phil labonte
I'm not monopolizing.
People are going to them with their money saying, I trust your expertise in this field to manage this money, so I'm giving you my money.
Your job is to make my money make more money.
ian crossland
Some people are going to them.
Other people, it's just being taken and given to them.
They don't even know.
They don't know what BlackRock is.
unidentified
What is that?
phil labonte
What is that?
ian crossland
They have a lock on the market.
tim pool
It's not like you get to choose.
phil labonte
The sentence that you just said, what does that mean?
ian crossland
Some people go into a business, they work 9-5, they give money, they're a 401k, they
don't know where it's going.
tim pool
And that means the person who manages the 401ks for the companies has decided that one
of the investments they're making is going to be BlackRock.
So a person takes money and brings it to BlackRock and says, you manage this.
phil labonte
I buy ETFs like every week.
I don't know what the individual funds inside the ETF, like who's managing what and stuff.
I just know that the ETF has the products that I'm looking to invest in, so I just buy that ETF.
People that give their money to BlackRock, they go to Black or to Vanguard or whatever, they go to these companies because they're like, hey, I've got a big wad of cash and you guys produce good returns, so I want you to take my money and produce good returns.
The whole argument against ESG, and when it comes to the context of BlackRock and Vanguard, is they're mismanaging people's money.
And so the actionable situation is people give money to BlackRock and they're supposed to take that money and make it make more money.
But ESG is not a... the foundation of ESG is not make profit, it's to make Make these socially responsible decisions, so that means that it might cost money.
And if you, as a fund manager, are mismanaging people's money, they give it to you, you're supposed to make more money for them, but instead of putting it into something that is going to produce a profit, you're putting it into something that is ESG compliant, and you're losing money, you are not doing your fiduciary responsibility to the people that have given you money to manage.
So that puts you in an actionable position.
That means that you're in a position where you can get sued by people.
ian crossland
That's true, and they should be able to in a multinational court.
I mean, they're based in New York City, BlackRock is.
But then what happens when the government gets involved and starts saying, this place is ESG, so it's not up to BlackRock whether or not the money's I don't understand.
ESG is where BlackRock decides to invest that money that they're given.
phil labonte
I don't understand. Well, ESG is where they're... ESG is where BlackRock decides to invest that money that they're
given.
The government shouldn't be involved.
ian crossland
You know, I'll table this talk for now. We gotta talk to Vivek Ramaswamy about it,
because if anyone's fighting against the BlackRock monopoly, it's Vivek with Strive, his company.
It's another index that you can put your money in. So there are other ways.
tim pool
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The first technical Super Chat comes from a member, so it's a member chat.
Steven says, says, what's up?
The show.
What up?
Thanks for chatting.
RJ McDougall, I'm with, the first Super Chat wins today's prize of honor.
Says, yo!
Oh, there you go.
Josh Berg says, hey Tim and team, the San Francisco tourist ads remind me of a video called hastily made Cleveland tourist video.
I think we should make one for California.
Well, okay.
Katoth Swiss, Dick Durbin is a Richard.
Haha.
Is his name actually Richard Durbin?
ian crossland
Yeah.
phil labonte
Dick Durbin.
tim pool
Yeah, Durbin was a slang term back in Illinois.
Because of him.
serge du preez
Durbin?
tim pool
Yeah.
terry schilling
What did it mean?
tim pool
What do you think?
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, it was a verb.
So if a woman was... Durbin.
serge du preez
It was a verb.
tim pool
Right.
It's really funny because we were like teenagers, but to derb meant something.
Like, she's derbing.
You know what I mean?
And it's because of him and because how much we hate politicians.
So, just someone thought it was funny.
terry schilling
It's good.
tim pool
You know, there you go.
Forerunner Captain says Gretchen Whitmer is going to run for president.
She already has Democrat funding lined up.
I hope she does.
She can't win.
She's like Hillary Clinton.
phil labonte
I hope she can't win.
tim pool
Well, she can't.
Like, it's remarkable that in 2016, if they chose any other Democrat, Donald Trump would not have won.
I just don't, Trump, Trump.
It's like Hillary Clinton was the person for Trump to beat.
Really, it's just... Yeah.
phil labonte
Hillary Clinton was uniquely unlikable.
tim pool
Yes, right.
Still is, and so is Gretchen Whitmer.
phil labonte
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Loomer calling Massey an anti-Semite is pushock crazy.
Yet, uh, uh, uh, Massey tweeted out, what is it, uh, it's a Drake meme, and it's like American patriotism, and he's like, no, and it's like Zionism, and he's like, yes.
And then Laura Loomer said that he was being anti-Semitic because Congress is fighting Hamas, but I'm like, I don't think he's being critical of trying to fight terrorism.
phil labonte
Right.
tim pool
I think he's pointing out that a southern border is porous, and the, and members of Congress are more concerned with a foreign country.
phil labonte
Chuck Schumer complained at him for that tweet and then he had a pretty sassy comeback too.
What did he say?
I forget exactly what he said and I don't have it in front of me, but something about Schumer not caring about the border or caring about the, you know, caring about Israel more than caring about the border.
unidentified
So it was pretty good.
tim pool
Jacob Paradis says, apparently the Democrat senators blocked a subpoena proposed by Republicans to view Epstein's flight logs.
It was on Yahoo News a few days ago.
Well, assuming that's true, it's because they're probably on those flight logs.
So, you know, there you go.
James Eaton says, time is precious.
Call your parents.
Absolutely.
What do we got?
Hidden Zephyr says, Hey Phil, just saw that you and the guys will be a Sonic Temple in CBUS?
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
You'll be at Sonic Temple?
phil labonte
Sonic Temple, yeah.
In what CBUS?
Columbus.
Oh, Columbus.
tim pool
Can't wait to see you guys Memorial Day weekend, rock on.
phil labonte
It'll be sick.
tim pool
Memorial Day weekend, when is that?
Is that May?
phil labonte
May, that's good.
tim pool
Right on.
Grofty says, don't break the UFO, Phil or Ian.
Glad you guys are here, but didn't break stuff, lol.
ian crossland
Alright, I'm going to try and fix it.
phil labonte
I didn't touch it.
ian crossland
I have to let it rest.
tim pool
Well, it's because you keep hitting the plug.
You're not going to plug it.
ian crossland
Right here, my knee is right underneath the cord, so that's a little challenging.
tim pool
Have you considered not hitting the cord?
ian crossland
For about a year and a half, actually.
tim pool
Thinker4life says, Tim, have you considered closed Tim Horton's Coffee and Donut Shops?
What does a closed Tim Horton's, what does that mean?
terry schilling
It means they're not around, or they shut their doors.
They're out of business.
tim pool
Have we considered closed Tim Horton's Coffee and Donut Shops?
Specifically, there's a really nice one in Grand Ledge where Red Dawn was opened.
Oh, you mean to reopen?
serge du preez
Yeah, take the location.
tim pool
Oh, I mean, we're not doing, like...
Yeah, we're not gonna be... It's gonna be... There's a lot I can't say, but our plan isn't to be directly involved in these things.
It's to decentralize.
But we'll have some degree of involvement.
It'll just be light.
It'll be more like a weak federal system where the rights are retained by the individual locations to...
You know, and one thing we really want for all the locations is local and American-made goods and furniture.
So when you're looking at big franchises like Starbucks, everything's the same.
Nah, we don't want to do that.
The coffee will be the same, but I really do think it would be great if you went to a coffee shop and it was like, when we serve food, it's from a local farm.
It's real American food, and it's brought in in the morning, and then it's gone by the afternoon, and we don't get any more until tomorrow.
You know, I don't like preservatives.
We've been talking a lot about bread.
And, uh, and gluten.
And it's funny, because we got these Spindrift drinks, right?
And there's this G symbol on it.
And I'm like, well, what does that mean?
I saw this on some, like, um, chocolate bar or whatever.
And it was, I bought a chocolate bar that was, like, praline or something.
And it's got this symbol.
It's the gluten-free certification.
And I'm like, why is this on my, my self-serve order?
Yeah, I don't know.
They put bread in this?
But I guess.
Okay, whatever.
And, um, Yeah, anyway, we started talking about bread, and, you know, the suggestion and the rumor for a lot of people is that it's not the bread.
It's the chemicals they put in the bread, the bleaching process and the preservatives, that are causing people to have all these digestive issues and joint problems, and they just assume it's the bread because the bread is what they eat when they get the symptom, but it's really something in the bread.
ian crossland
Yep.
If you get organic flour and make your own bread, you'll notice it goes through like water.
I mean, not literally, but compared to regular bread with potassium bromate or that's sprayed with glyphosate before harvest for desiccants, it's noticeably awesome.
tim pool
Ginger McIsaac says, look out for a 1099C cancellation of debt form.
If you don't get it reported, you will get a CP2000 letter for underreported income about 18 months later.
I just explained an extra $3,500 tax bill assessed for this reason.
Yeah, so all these people are getting their college loans forgiven, they likely will receive a cancellation of debt form, which is income.
They're gonna have to fill out the paperwork.
ian crossland
That would piss off Biden's voters so bad.
terry schilling
It's like 4D chess.
ian crossland
It's like, I couldn't afford it last year, what makes you think I can afford the taxes on it this year?
That's insane.
tim pool
CamgirlLasuna says, Tim, you don't think Dems are telling people to abort?
They literally are.
Remember that comedian telling everyone to get abortions, for example?
Yeah, wasn't that Michelle Wolf or something?
She was like, you get an abortion, and you get an abortion, and it was just like, you are a dangerously psychotic individual.
What if she regrets that?
ian crossland
I think she regrets that.
terry schilling
No.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
Lena Dunham said she wished she got an abortion.
But the funny thing is, she doesn't have a kid.
So like, it'd be really bad if you had a kid and you were like, I wish I had an abortion.
It's another thing when you don't have a kid and you say you wish you had an abortion because then she's implying she wants to get pregnant so that she can just have one for no reason.
terry schilling
It's psychotic.
It's so mentally ill.
It's so crazy.
ian crossland
And it's death.
Death is not something to joke about.
terry schilling
No.
tim pool
No, c'est la vie.
What do we have?
What do we have?
NineteenthShadow says, You are correct, Terry.
I am miserable.
I am borderline depressed.
However, I will still vote for a better tomorrow.
Is that in reference to not having kids or something?
terry schilling
I don't know, but I do think that it's important, like, I like that Trump is saying that he's our retribution, but, big but, you gotta have a plan.
Like, people have to have something they're gonna vote for, and maybe there's a good group of us that want retribution, but also, we gotta fix some stuff too.
There's some major problems.
tim pool
Ryan Sargent says, it's easy, Joe has an unexpected medical event, DNC throws up any semi-popular candidate.
Yeah, but if they wanna win, you need someone pushing and creating a narrative right now.
Like, the idea that we are, like, what is it, Iowa is a month away?
Right, six weeks?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's about a month away, yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
terry schilling
January.
tim pool
Five weeks, January 15th, I think?
terry schilling
Yep.
unidentified
Jesus.
tim pool
Ron DeSantis said he's gonna win, what do you think?
No.
terry schilling
It's not even close.
tim pool
Yo, we really, but what, hey, hey man.
phil labonte
He just did it.
tim pool
What if he does?
You're gonna be like, wow.
terry schilling
Yeah, I'll be shocked.
I will be shocked.
I, you know, I will be totally shocked.
phil labonte
He just did Peterson's podcast and it was all just Peterson asking personal questions about Ron DeSantis and it was not compelling.
tim pool
You know, look, I think the Daily Wire guys are really, really for DeSantis.
I don't blame him.
I think there's a really great argument for Ron DeSantis, but his campaign has just been apocalypticly bad!
ian crossland
You need charisma.
tim pool
It's not even about charisma!
The dude could hide in a basement if his campaign was being run properly!
But just like, attack, you know, look, going online and having your PR staff attack people is a surefire way to lose.
Yeah.
Will Chamberlain handles it masterfully.
Calm, reasonable, and respectful responses to people who are angry with him.
And I'm like, they should have put Will in charge of the campaign.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, it would have been so good.
tim pool
Yeah, because a lot of what's happening is Bruce Wits, master troll, Laura Loomer.
How do I describe Laura?
She is the most, there's no one who supports Trump more than her, and she is vicious.
When she goes for a story, she's coming at you with everything she's got.
ian crossland
She's like a red witch.
That's not a bad thing.
She's a fire, a fire mage, fire magician.
tim pool
You mean like a red mage from Final Fantasy?
ian crossland
Yes, like a red mage.
She's like a fire mage.
She's got that fire intensity.
tim pool
The way you counter this is not by trying to imitate it because you cannot.
Ron DeSantis has no one, no one, as passionate as Laura Loomer, and no one as masterfully trolling as Alex Bristowicz.
ian crossland
But the thing is, Alex and Laura, they're mimicking Trump himself, so that's part of it too.
No, no, no, no, no.
They're raising up to his level of trollness, and like, DeSantis doesn't have that, so there's no level, it becomes awkward if you try and be a troll in DeSantis's case.
He's like a logical book smart guy.
tim pool
Laura is like a figurative sidearm for Donald Trump.
Laura is not like Trump.
You know, Donald Trump is boisterous, confident, very, very funny.
Laura Loomer is at the tip of a spear.
And no one supports Trump more than her.
Alex Brusewitz is tactful, he's a strategist, and he knows how to troll.
So what happens is that he's had his people.
Get whipped up into a frenzy and respond enraged.
But it's like, anybody who's ever heard, like, the old Kung Fu Masters about not getting angry when you're in a fight because it clouds your judgment?
That's exactly what they did.
They knew that when they were engaging in this fight, they're like, I'm gonna taunt my opponent until they lose control and then I'm going to dance around the octagon and they're gonna fumble and just swing and miss and burn out all their energy.
That's what happened.
Will is the guy who has responded masterfully, but they didn't utilize him.
The campaign is miserable.
It's unfortunate, really.
But to the Jordan Peterson thing, I don't think we've gotten an actual tough interview with Ron DeSantis, except for Patrick Bet David did pretty well, especially with the boots.
I think that's the best we're going to get.
unidentified
Okay, so I don't...
phil labonte
Look, I think it's hilarious that PVD brought the boots out and stuff.
I don't know if that qualifies as a serious interview, though, because of the boots.
tim pool
Has anyone asked DeSandis about his campaign?
I mean, this is a huge talking point, where everyone's saying his campaign is being mismanaged and he won't fire these people.
I don't know how he didn't fire Christina Pasha.
ian crossland
That's who he should have fired, like, right away.
She was the linchpin and all that it seemed like.
tim pool
I think, I said it before, I'll say it again.
I don't remember, was it Brucewitz or was it, was it Brucewitz put out the photo with her knees were photoshopped to be red?
Like make, it was Alex.
Was it, was it Alex?
ian crossland
I don't know, that's funny if it was though, I don't know.
tim pool
A photo was released showing her with a bunch of people.
Someone used photoshop to make her knees look like they were red from being on the carpet.
And I think that broke her, because it was around that time, she went from Encouraging and cooperative with all of the people who are in this space to instantly just... Anyone who dares say anything about Ron, she is going to just attack relentlessly along with all of her staff.
And these other influencers.
It was like a switch was flicked.
unidentified
I think... I think that broke her.
tim pool
You know, she was running this campaign, we had talked to her before, like our people had asked her to come on, she said yes, we thought it was really cool, and then that moment happened, and then all of a sudden she's just screaming at the top of her lungs and bashing her face into the wall like a lunatic.
And that's what it's been ever since.
ian crossland
To have that kind of vanity in politics is like, yo, you're gonna get made fun of and then you're gonna be up against Vladimir Putin's chief of staff, and like, how are you gonna handle that when the real stuff's on the table?
And it's not about your looks anymore.
I don't trust her.
I didn't trust it.
Their campaign was terrible.
tim pool
All right, we'll grab some more.
We've got William Ubalus.
Is that how you pronounce it?
Disabled vet, recently unemployed, still trying to reach GiveSendGo goal to get car fixed.
Needed to find a job and see my son for the holidays.
Please donate GiveSendGo.
It's GBB35.
Good luck, sir.
Good luck on this Christmas.
Perhaps some people will gift you for the holiday season so you can see your kid.
That's GBB35 on Gifts on Go.
ian crossland
Oh, Christmas means more Christ.
unidentified
I like it.
tim pool
Christmas.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Christmas.
ian crossland
Mas Christ.
Be Christo.
tim pool
Feliz Navidad.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We got Waffle Sensei says, I don't know exactly what will happen in the next year.
I see them locking up Trump, maybe bout removal.
Biden drops out potentially for Newsom.
But even if we lose this election, we are still winning the culture and the future.
That's the interesting thing that the only option they're really going to have is they have to win and they have to start locking everyone up.
They gotta lock up Ian, they gotta lock up me, they gotta lock up Terry.
Phil, you're cool, but they'll make you write songs that are in support of them.
phil labonte
They're not gonna like it.
ian crossland
I think this is like, it's, people are realizing how unimportant politics is.
Like, it's never been part of my life that big.
If my friend voted for whoever, we'd be like, oh, you voted for that guy?
Okay, I voted for the other guy.
Let's go play cards.
And like, we're back to that.
We're back to like real life where you make life good.
Or no one does.
tim pool
But we are, we're still there, we never left.
Right, so, the way I describe it is, you've got the left and the right, these two, like, overlapping balls in a Venn diagram, and then, on the left, this tumor started to grow, and then it got bigger and bigger, and then eventually just flopped off onto the ground, and that's the left, and the left and right are still there!
I don't, I, I, uh, like, if I were to have a conversation with Ben Shapiro, we'd be like, here's what I disagree on, well, here's what I disagree on, like, oh, interesting, who are you voting for?
I'm voting for him, I'm, I'm voting for him, like, oh, wow, we'd shake hands, we'd leave.
That still exists.
I can still sit down with Glenn Beck as someone who leans more to the left than he does, and we can laugh and make jokes, and we can talk about who we think should win and why.
And then once we're done, we'll be like, well, good luck to you, man.
I hope you get the vote.
ian crossland
I guess it is a bit more intense, and politics are a little more important because of the economy, because of the inflation.
People were telling me for the last 25 years, yo, the American empire is going to end.
The American empire is coming to an end, just so you know.
And it seemed so like fantasy reality, like, okay, I believe you, but I don't see it.
I can't see it until it happens.
And now we're like, oh okay, mass inflation.
This is sort of how it happens.
tim pool
Wow, look at this.
TooBusyTrolling says, I got demoted from sergeant for posting Donald Trump make our unit great again.
Also letting us grow beards will not solve the retention problem, I guarantee it.
Is that what they're doing?
phil labonte
Maybe.
tim pool
You can grow beards now.
I heard that there was like something that happened a while ago.
They said it was racist to make people in the military shave because black people have different shaving issues and they get ingrown hair or something.
So some, it was actually some leftist activists were complaining about this.
I think it was like Occupy or something.
ian crossland
It's supposed to be for the soldier's own safety, I think, so you don't get your face grabbed in a melee.
serge du preez
No, I mean arguments from it comes initially from like wearing Gas masks when it was important, but they said it doesn't really matter anymore, but I don't know now.
It's all about like tradition, etc You probably know more than I do.
phil labonte
Well, I mean it was because gas masks and stuff like that and then like when I When they allowed like when Sikhs became more prevalent in the US Sikhs and Muslims can't shave or they're not supposed to shave for their religion.
So that became a thing that the military started to take into account.
So there are I believe there are if you're a Sikh you can and you're in the Marine Corps, you can wear a a I forget.
serge du preez
Turban.
phil labonte
A turban.
Okay.
Yeah, you can wear a turban in your dress uniform.
serge du preez
Or your facial hair whatsoever.
ian crossland
Yeah.
But if they get gassed, they just don't...
serge du preez
No, no, they just put on a mask.
Masks still work.
Masks still fit.
It's not about that anymore.
The connection is still fine.
Yeah.
phil labonte
And I mean, most of the gas stuff that people worry about now is CS gas.
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
phil labonte
If you're going into a place where the military thinks that you might have an issue with actual, like, nerve gas or
something, they would probably be like, look, guys, you don't have to
shave, but you're going to die if you don't.
So you probably should.
tim pool
Alright, Paul Tascalo says, Reece Swanning, no such thing as private information.
Everything is publicly available if you know where to look.
There are a few holes you need to plug.
Reach out, I'll show you.
I used to find people when I was a lawyer.
I see what you're saying, but...
I disagree!
There absolutely is private information, and I will stress, the levels that we went to protect certain information is absurd, and I'll keep it simple, there absolutely are ways of protecting information, and guaranteeing it nobody finds it.
Like, I can already tell you this, people did this in Seattle.
Yagi antennas, outside your house, which allow to, so you can get, what is something reasonable with a decent Yagi, like a kilometer range?
Yeah, so Yagir directional Wi-Fi antennas.
You point it out your window.
You can't see because it's in the building.
It's aimed up and we're talking about someone on a hill pointing it down and they're getting Starbucks Wi-Fi from like a kilometer away.
You're not going to find that person.
They're using air-gapped computers with no information that were recycled numerous times.
The argument could be that, well, we traced where, nah, these are people who built random components, spoofed the information using custom operating systems or using things like Tails OS.
So, they've really jammed up how you can track it down, and even if you were to figure out the machine they were using based on the machine's information it was giving out, you still wouldn't know how they connected the Wi-Fi, you'd know that within a certain range, okay, maybe within a kilometer, you start searching, but they could have lit that computer on fire and it's completely gone.
As for, like, properties and things like this, oh, come on, it's so simple.
Someone else buys a property, and they buy it under a trust, so the benefactor isn't related to you.
There's no way to search for that person if you don't know what their name is.
So we're not talking about like banking information or credit card information which can be found.
We're saying something like imagine a guy wants to be able to stay in a house so someone else is listed as a benefactor on a trust which owns the property and is in no way connected to the other person and this is a random person from from another state or corporation from another state which is a subsidiary of another corporation and that it never traces back to the original person is intending on living there.
Look how easy it is to hide ownership of I'm not talking about ownership because that would be a tax issue.
I'm saying somebody wants to live in a house and have it obscured, then a random third party is the benefactor on a trust that owns a property and the trust is based from out of state.
And so how do you know to search for John Doe if you're looking for Ian Crossland?
You would not.
It's impossible.
ian crossland
But how do you, if you're the owner of the house, how do you guarantee that you still own the house?
tim pool
I'm not talking about ownership.
I'm talking about obfuscating your residency.
So, you are living in a house that the only way they could probably find it would be by physically stalking you, but if that's not the issue and we're talking about someone out of state getting access to information, then we're talking about someone just generally leaking information.
Otherwise, again, like...
A trust is formed in state A. The benefactor is person B. I'm sorry, the beneficiary.
The trust owns the property.
And then you, Ian, are staying in that property and, you know, paying rent or something.
In cash.
Or maybe you're not paying rent.
Maybe you're just staying there.
How would the swatter know to search for person B or the trust's name?
They could make guesses, and this person lives in this area, look for a property owned by a trust, and then it gets even easier.
Now, it's bought in a third party's name, who owns the property and lets you stay there, and they don't know you know that third party and don't even know what name to look for.
ian crossland
Do you think the mail, the USPS, has their mailing list that they sell?
You know, companies can sell their mailing lists.
Can someone get a hold of that?
The address of every American citizen with a house?
I wonder if that's available.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, they used to do that in the phone book.
ian crossland
The white pages.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
Right.
tim pool
So, in terms of our property that got swatted, I won't explain how we did it.
It wasn't the way I just explained, but there are ways to buy property to have the information protected.
Somehow, the SWATers got access to this information, which was only available to three people.
And, uh, I don't want to say more than that for security reasons.
And so, we went and said, We can rule out how this happened.
And they were just like, meh.
ian crossland
You know, as a brief aside, like the whole encryption era of like having protected data.
I was talking to this computer scientist.
He's like, well, you and quantum encryption is broken.
They're going to undo all the past 20 years of encryption and everything, all your emails, everything is going to be public of all the people.
It's going to be like a war hack.
Like, anyway, I don't want to derail too much.
Just a mind blowing thing to think.
tim pool
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Terry, do you want to shout anything out?
terry schilling
You know, thanks so much for having me coming on.
We got this huge gala.
It's basically sold out with Tucker Carlson, Riley Gaines.
She killed it today in the hearings.
It's on Thursday.
appfball.org.
Check it out.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I am PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can follow us on Spotify, Apple Music, Pandora, Amazon Music, YouTube, you know, the internet.
ian crossland
Out of curiosity, appf.org?
terry schilling
AmericanPrinciplesProject.org, but if you want to learn about the gala with Tucker and Riley, it's appfball.org.
ian crossland
appfball.org.
Where is it?
terry schilling
It's in Washington, D.C.
at the Ritz-Carlton.
ian crossland
Thanks for coming, man.
terry schilling
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
I'll see all you later.
At Ian Crossland.
Check me out.
Peace.
serge du preez
Yeah, I'll see you guys in the after show.
Iamsurge.com, as always.
Pleasure having you here today, my friend.
Again.
And yeah, see you guys soon.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at TimCast.com in a couple minutes.
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