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Timcast IRL - Woke Journalist LIVID After Threads CENSORS Them, Elon Proven Right w/Kingsley Wilson
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tim pool
Peace.
That's right, for a while now, we knew that Mark Zuckerberg's Threads app, which is supposed to rival Twitter slash X, was censorious.
I mean, it's run by Facebook.
Facebook is one of the worst.
TikTok's a bit worse.
But this matters because we're now getting reports that Walmart is joining the advertiser boycott.
And well, We were initially thinking of launching the story with a comment from Dick Durbin, Senator out of Illinois Democrat, saying that we should be enlisting illegal immigrants, non-citizens, into the army because of the shortfall.
I thought, oh look, we can't have these conversations if the platforms that allow free speech are destroyed.
But this is, while bad, I think there is some good in this.
Many of these people on the left, these woke reporters, cannot deny now that Mark Zuckerberg is worse for you than Twitter would have been.
And if you want to be able to criticize even Elon Musk, you're gonna have to use X, because Zuckerberg ain't gonna let you talk.
So we'll talk about all of that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Kingsley Wilson.
kingsley wilson
That is correct.
Thanks for having me, Tim.
As you said, I'm Kingsley Wilson.
I am a Trump campaign alum and I currently do digital media for the Center for Newing America in D.C.
I'm also national committee woman for the D.C.
Young Republicans.
So thanks for having me.
tim pool
And so Wilson's new.
kingsley wilson
It is new, yes.
I recently got married about a month ago, so, you know, I've been joking no longer, Cortez, I guess I'm white now, so I know that privilege you all enjoy.
tim pool
There you go, now people are just going to go ahead and, yeah, you lose your race card.
hannah claire brimelow
I got her sunscreen as a wedding present.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimwell.
I was really grateful to be with the DCYRs at their Christmas party last weekend.
It was a fun time.
I am, of course, a writer for SCNR.com.
It's the best, also known as Scanner News.
Tim's laughing at me.
tim pool
What's a YR?
hannah claire brimelow
A young Republican.
unidentified
Ah, yes.
hannah claire brimelow
See, some other people use letters, too, not just here at Scanner, scnr.com.
I can't have a good intro because I'm now distracted, but Ian's here!
ian crossland
My intro's going to be even better.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it always is.
ian crossland
Hi, it's Ian Crossland.
Good to be here.
Hi, everyone.
Good to see you, Kaisley.
kingsley wilson
Good to see you.
ian crossland
What's happening, Search?
serge du preez
Uh, not much.
Hey Kingsley, good to see you again, too.
Uh, let's just get into the show, Tim, whenever you're ready.
tim pool
Here we go!
We got a culture war start for all of you.
ALX on Twitter says, Taylor Lorenz says she's being shadowbanned on threads!
And then a laughing, crying emoji.
Now, for those of you that aren't familiar, Taylor Lorenz is a very prominent mainstream media reporter.
She's worked for a bunch of, uh, very large publications, very critical of Elon Musk, very left-leaning.
Now, she, like many other woke reporters, left Twitter Complaining that Elon Musk was going to make it riddled with hate speech or whatever, but now she has these threads up on threads of all places Complaining that she is being censored.
Let me just tell you we're going over You know our content product, you know production and everything and what we want to do and we want to do sketches and jokes we're working on the skateboarding show and I'm like, you know, we can put whatever we want on X and We can go on X, we can make any joke we want, no matter how vulgar or whatever, and rumble too.
But Facebook will get banned, TikTok will get banned, Instagram will get banned.
That's obvious to anyone with a brain.
So all of these woke journalists that thought they were gonna rush over to Threads and are now complaining about it?
Surprise, surprise.
She posted, I posted the cover of yesterday's New York Post to Threads, talking about how hypothetical, I'm sorry, how hypocritical, The New York Post is in their criticism of Metta when they published the same four Thinspo images they're bashing Metta for.
I don't know what she's referring to.
What did Threads do?
Locked me out of my Instagram account until I deleted the thread and sent this message to my Threads account saying they're going to shadowban me.
Absolutely insane levels of censorship where we can't even discuss the media's coverage of Metta on Metta's own apps.
Well, on Twitter you can talk about whatever you want.
How are we supposed to critique media or cover the media when meta essentially bans all discussions on certain stories and topics?
It's terrible for free expression and I wish more people in the media held meta to account for their dangerously blunt moderation tactics.
What I absolutely love about this is that this tweet could have been from six years ago on Twitter from someone on the right and now it's coming from a woke reporter Who is on Mark Zuckerberg's threads, and she did not have to leave Twitter.
Like, things have gotten so much better.
So, let me just say, this is... I mean, I guess it's schadenfreude, that's kind of funny.
That's why Alex is posting the laughing emoji to see Taylor Lorenz be like, oh no, I'm being censored.
It's like, well, that kind of proves our point, right?
Others are probably just gloating in her being censored.
But I think it's a good sign.
And I think it shows you how important it was that Elon Musk took the actions that he did.
It proves him right.
hannah claire brimelow
It kind of reminds me of the reverse of when people who are liberal and live in big cities move to small towns and then want to change it.
Like, she was somewhere that had free speech, left it, and now is like, but why is there no free speech?
This is crazy!
I mean, I don't think Zuckerberg promised anyone anything other than to sell all your data to China.
And that's my personal opinion.
tim pool
I think, I think, uh, well, I'll just go as conspiratorial as possible.
I think Threads is probably, uh, intelligence, U.S.
intelligence agencies.
hannah claire brimelow
It's just Feds?
kingsley wilson
I totally forgot it existed, but to your point, this always, like, cracks me up, I guess, like, ALX, because I love when, like, this sort of thing happens to leftists, right?
Because it's the monster that they created coming for them.
They were totally fine with the revolution until they became the target.
Taylor Renz, I think, the Twitter files showed She's reported more accounts than practically any other user on the platform.
She was a champion for the censorship cause, and now it's coming for her, and I think it's hilarious to watch.
ian crossland
It's also this phenomenon where people will go from system to system to system, and they'll see the same problem in every system, but they'll go like, this system's broken!
Who's in charge of this system?
Fix it!
They go to the next one.
This system's broken!
Who's in charge of this?
Fix it!
But what they don't see is the pattern.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it would have been interesting if she had been like, as an experiment, I posted this thing to see how Meta would respond to it, and they have censored me, and therefore Meta doesn't like whatever, but instead it's like, I am the victim, this system is not helping me the way I think it should, it's not obeying my desires, even though it never agreed to give me these things in the first place.
tim pool
It's only worse.
Instagram's way worse.
And the funny thing is when conservatives and libertarians came out and said, yeah, threads is way worse.
We all tried it.
The leftist media organizations came out and accused all of us of being conspiracy theorists and lying and making these stories up.
And now they're reaping what they've sown.
They all jumped onto this.
I mean, look, X, Twitter, whatever, is this massive shit.
And there's concerns about whether or not there's going to be enough fuel for it because all these advertisers are pulling out.
Fine.
But Mark Zuckerberg pulls up on this dinghy and he's like, everybody hop on board.
And they're all like, yeah.
And they all jump onto this little dinghy that Mark Zuckerberg's driving around in.
And it doesn't work.
And this is what we get.
So I don't know.
I guess people can revel in schadenfreude or whatever.
But going back to what I was saying, I think it's deep state.
I think we can say a few things that are absolutely fair.
One, it is not a conspiracy.
It's actually a fact.
It is historical record.
unidentified
U.S.
tim pool
intelligence agencies were in direct communication with all of the big tech companies running social media to manipulate and control speech.
This was directly related to the Hunter Biden laptop interfering with elections.
That's how extreme it was.
I was personally targeted by the government and leftist tactics with the, what is it?
Was it the EIC?
Or was it EIP?
It was EIP, right?
Election Integrity Partnership or something?
Where they tried getting people banned and taking things down.
And they did successfully do this.
Government colluding with researchers.
They call them researchers.
This is how they can launder government censorship.
We know for a fact they're doing it.
Okay.
Then Elon Musk says he's going to buy Axe.
And he's gonna, you know, there's talk of restoring all these accounts, bringing people back, and uh-oh.
Deep State's gonna get exposed.
Intelligence agencies did get exposed.
At the exact same time this is going down, Mark Zuckerberg announces threats.
Simple solution is that Zuckerberg said, hey, I got a great opportunity to make a competitor right now to Twitter, and all these people who are mad Elon's buying it, we can give them space.
hannah claire brimelow
He created a Canada equivalent.
tim pool
Yeah, and that's a simple explanation.
And now I'll give you the simple conspiratorial explanation, which I believe is extremely likely to be true.
Upon announcing this, the CIA, the FBI, Biden administration contacted Mark Zuckerberg because they were already in direct communication and said, we definitely want to be able to access threads in the same way as everything else.
And Zuck probably said, don't worry, it'll function the same as other platforms.
You will have access.
And that's where we are now.
There's the bolder, less likely conspiracy in that the Deep State directly went to Zuckerberg and said, you gotta do something about this.
You need to make some kind of competitor.
Can you do it?
I would not be surprised, to be honest, to find out that someone in government went to Zuckerberg and suggested it.
Not that they demanded it or mandated it, but I wouldn't be surprised if some emails got released through a FOIA request or something where it shows someone in the Biden White House said, hey, Mark, are you able to make something?
Because, you know, this Twitter stuff is bad.
And then Zuckerberg said yes.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's arrogance on Zuckerberg's part, though, to think that his technology and what he would build would be able to compete with Twitter slash X or whatever it was called at the time.
I mean, people are really devoted to Twitter as a platform.
It was revolutionary in what it was creating.
And I think that original medium, we've seen other people.
I mean, there's Truth Social.
There are a couple other competitors out there that just haven't been able to achieve it.
And so to think, oh, well, because it's already connected to your Instagram account, therefore somehow That will convert people I think just shows how out of touch or how much he underestimated Axe and Elon's ability to retain loyal supporters.
tim pool
It's like Google Plus, remember that?
hannah claire brimelow
For like a second, but I forgot what it was, and they had Hangouts.
Was that a thing?
tim pool
Yeah, Hangouts.
Hangouts were actually pretty big for a while.
hannah claire brimelow
They were?
tim pool
Yeah, Google Plus wasn't.
But Hangouts were because it was the easiest way to do a web-based live chat with multiple people.
Now it's all Zoom or whatever.
But if Google made Hangouts and kept pushing that, people wouldn't be doing Zoom meetings, they'd be doing Hangouts.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because that's what a lot of people were doing.
hannah claire brimelow
They just had to get that pandemic earlier, if only.
If only.
tim pool
You know, the thing about Google is they just don't understand how to be cool.
So what happens is everyone's pissed at Facebook.
So Google Plus announces, you know, we're making a social platform and everybody wanted it.
But they said, no, no, no, no, no.
Limited users only.
Send out a bunch of invites.
Tons of people signed up.
I actually had, what did I have?
I had like 500,000 followers on Google Plus.
Yeah, weird.
ian crossland
They totally mismanaged YouTube.
They should have made YouTube the social network.
Calling it Google Plus and Google Hangout and Google this and that.
tim pool
And they tried doing that.
ian crossland
You had YouTube.
tim pool
They tried doing that and it was killing YouTube.
So anyway, what they should have done at this point with Google Plus was...
As soon as the demand was at maximum capacity and everybody wanted an invite, they should have said, I'm sorry everyone, it's an exclusive platform only, and then two hours later said, you know what?
We're opening it up, baby!
And then they would have won.
Instantly.
They did the same thing with Google Glass.
They launch something, everybody wants it, and then they say, nah, you can't have it.
And then eventually some woke journalist goes, well, I didn't want it anyway.
You're a glasshole.
And then all of a sudden nobody wants to buy Google Glass anymore.
It went from the coolest thing everybody wanted to just total garbage.
ian crossland
Yeah, I had some faith when Google bought YouTube that it would be, I mean, they were able to start funding it with the partner program, which is pretty cool.
But like Larry and Sergey are like uber nerds, you know, so the company's kind of like uber nerdy.
It's just the way it was built.
I like them, but they were nerdy.
tim pool
There was a period, I think it was, um... Let's see, what year would it have been?
Maybe like 2013 or 14, I'm not sure.
No, it was probably way earlier than that.
Google was trying to integrate YouTube and Google+.
They wanted YouTube to turn into Google+.
And when they started integrating it...
People started fleeing and complaining like crazy, and so then they backed off.
ian crossland
It was like they had three stops.
You could either go to Google+, you could go to your Google Hangout, which was connected to your Google phone number, or was it to your other Google account?
I had three of them, you know, three different emails attached to three different accounts, and I couldn't get them to consolidate.
It was such a mess.
hannah claire brimelow
I can understand why these platforms want to grow and become more things they have to compete.
I mean, the same ways that Instagram added Reels, the short form video, to directly compete with TikTok, that makes sense to me.
They're more similar.
But I don't understand, and maybe it's because, and I don't know if anyone in this room can answer it, I don't understand the point of threads.
I've never opened it, and I'm not sure how it differentiates from the YouTube, like, community tab.
ian crossland
Threads.
hannah claire brimelow
Isn't that what...
ian crossland
Threads is like Twitter.
hannah claire brimelow
Threads is like Twitter, but then YouTube has the community tab, right?
Isn't that where people can message if they're really into a creator or whatever?
tim pool
No, that's kind of like a Twitter feed for your YouTube, but it's basically linked to your YouTube, so it's used to, for the most part, hey guys, heads up.
hannah claire brimelow
Just like announcements.
See, I feel like it would make more sense to me to have an integrated competitor to X on YouTube because people are already alive and well in the comment sections there.
To make a competitor on Instagram seems weird to me.
tim pool
I just open threads and the first thing I see I've got, let's see, Michaela Peterson and then Charlie Kirk.
And there's two replies to Charlie Kirk's post.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, the engagement is terrible.
Three likes.
tim pool
I don't know.
Charlie, why are you using threads?
hannah claire brimelow
You should make threads right now.
Kingsley, I bet you could be the most dominant person by the end of the episode.
kingsley wilson
There you go.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
I think Michaela Peterson's responding to a bunch of people criticizing her dad.
ian crossland
It's exhilarating.
kingsley wilson
Because all the lefties went there, though, it's just like a cesspool of, like, it's an echo chamber in many ways.
And I feel like the fun parts about Twitter, about YouTube, are, like, fighting in the comments and, like, seeing people dunk on other people.
Like, that's why I love Twitter.
I think that's why a lot of people love Twitter.
unidentified
Wow.
kingsley wilson
So when you take that away, you just lose the user experience.
hannah claire brimelow
Unless they start infighting, which could be interesting.
kingsley wilson
Maybe, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Who checked threads during the outbreak of the Hamas-Israel conflict?
Because maybe it was, like, alive and well then.
ian crossland
Oh, I forgot to check my threads, that's why.
hannah claire brimelow
Because that's when I think a lot of the left was up in arms.
Not that it wasn't true on the right, but it was a particularly challenging time for, like, the most progressive angle of the party versus the more moderate side.
They were fighting a lot.
I wonder if threads allowed any kind of discontent.
ian crossland
I don't trust them.
Proprietary software in general, but I really don't trust public companies when they do social networks like X is private still at this I'm pretty sure X is still private and mines is private you have rumble well rumble just went public But that's like road to co-op.
tim pool
I want to I want I we got something interesting here I'm gonna pull up this story real quick.
This is from Mashable This is by Matt Bender, and he's wrong.
I think he's lying.
I mean, it's hard to say.
They like to say Donald Trump lied, and I always ask, well, is he wrong or is he lying?
There's a difference, right?
I think Matt's lying, because I'm willing to bet, in this, Here it is, here it is.
Just in time for the holiday shopping season, Walmart decided to stop advertising on Elon Musk's X, joining a slew of other major companies that have fled the social media platform in recent weeks.
Second paragraph, quote, We aren't advertising on X, as we've found other platforms to better reach our customers, a Walmart spokesperson told Reuters, which first reported on the retail chain's decision to suspend ad campaigns on the website.
Walmart's decision to stop advertising comes after a mustard, go off yourself, etc, etc.
But the issue is, the greater quote from Walmart was something... Let me pull up Reuters, because I got Mashable here on purpose.
Walmart says it's not advertising on social platform X, right.
But the actual quote they say has nothing to do with any of this.
I'm pretty sure they said we stopped advertising in October.
No, this is kind of crazy to see.
A lot of news outlets are reporting this.
I think there is a potential that Walmart is trying to not be involved and lower their amount of ad spending.
But the original story reporting this, Walmart said they slowed down their ad spend back in October.
It has nothing to do with what Elon said.
Now it's being reported by these organizations that it's, you know, Walmart joining the ad boycott.
Now, either way, a lot of money is being lost by Axe.
And one of the interesting things, actually, I just pulled up threads for the previous segment, and one of the first things that is suggested to me, I don't follow Hank Green, but it's Hank Green, he said, numbers for the curious.
In the last 30 days, TikTok views 37 million, TikTok rev share $3,600.
RPM is 10 cents.
YouTube Shorts views, $41,000,000.
YouTube Shorts Rev, $4,400,000.
Oh, 41 million views?
41 million views.
You said dollars.
No, no, sorry, sorry.
ian crossland
41 million views, $4,400,000.
tim pool
Reels views, doesn't report, minimum is $13,000,000.
Oh, no, yes, sorry, sorry.
41 million views, $4,400.
Reel's views doesn't report, minimum is 13 million.
His share was $988 for a 7-cent RPM.
That's interesting in how you make literally no money, no money on these platforms for all of these views.
That's kind of crazy that on TikTok you get 37 million views, you get...
Wow, you're getting $3,600.
You have to be one of the most famous people to make a living.
Hank Green is one of, like, the biggest social media influencers, and he's only making $3,600 a month off TikTok?
Okay, combine them all, and he's gonna be making, what, like, $150K a year?
Being one of the most famous personalities?
There's almost no point in doing any of those posts.
It's all just being whittled down.
The crazy thing is when you look at X and the ad boycott, I'm wondering how this will impact how much money people are already getting because the rates there are super low too.
I get like 200 million.
Impressions on my, on my profile, I get about 5,500 per month from the, from the ad share deal.
Now it's probably going to go to nothing because of what's going on.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
As more people become influencers too, like every human pretty much has a camera and can as their side job, make a video about what they do with their main job at the very least that the ad revenue, I don't think ad revenue models are the way to go.
I think it's super chats and direct subscriptions.
Plus then the, the advertiser can't pull the rug on your entire business model.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think that this data will become public enough to deter Gen Z?
Like, this is what Gen Z wants to do with their lives.
Most of them want to be an influencer or they talk about wanting to be, you know, a social media personality.
This is regularly something they report.
Is this sort of like when everyone wants to be an actor and then at a certain point, I mean, I'm sure you experienced this too, people are like, but are you actually going to support yourself doing that?
Only a couple people make it big.
At what point do people realize this idea that social media is the only way, like this influencer pathway, is it going to become less romantic for the youngest generation?
ian crossland
Hopefully soon, because if you make internet videos but you do nothing with your life, they're not going to be very interesting videos.
But if you're a mechanic and you make internet videos and you rope in the mechanics into that, it becomes very interesting.
So they're synergistic.
Everyone, in my opinion, should have the opportunity to become an internet video star.
And you should highlight the cool things you do in your life.
tim pool
You could make a YouTube channel.
Where you personally put things in boxes, wrap those boxes, and then call it Unboxing Presents Channel, and you literally just film yourself slowly unwrapping a box.
I'm not even joking.
hannah claire brimelow
People love those.
tim pool
No, people love this stuff.
So you've got viral videos of people opening, like, Pokemon cards.
It doesn't matter.
People just want to see what's inside.
It's the weirdest thing.
So, you don't need to be interesting at all.
You just need to make content and then hypnotize people.
You know what I really love?
I love the hydraulic press channel.
ian crossland
Yeah, me too.
I watch a lot of that.
tim pool
Now there's like 12 of them.
Then there's the red hot nickel ball.
ian crossland
Get a lot of those.
tim pool
Yeah, now there's like 12 of them.
And I have a really good idea that I wanted to do, but it's very dangerous.
I want to electrocute things.
I'm like, how many volts in amps or whatever until a teddy bear bursts into flames?
hannah claire brimelow
But you know that someone else would be like, yeah, I do want to click on that video.
I want to know how many volts it takes.
tim pool
I know.
And you know what my idea was?
You do it live, and then every viewer, like, increases the voltage by a certain number.
ian crossland
Especially when water's involved.
Like, watching electricity go through water is fascinating.
tim pool
See, there you go.
hannah claire brimelow
But that's the question!
tim pool
And then you get, like, 20,000 people watching, and then, like, the energy level's, you know, going up.
That'd be fun, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think there's a lot of things.
It's not that I'm against people making stuff, obviously, and putting it on the internet.
I'm for it.
I just want that to be clear.
It's just, at a certain point, does it pay out the way people think it's going to?
And is this a long-term sustainable career?
Because I think that's why you need the influencer ecosystem between all of the platforms.
Not one platform really generates enough revenue for a medium-sized person to sustain themselves, is what it sounds like to me, and I don't know.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, definitely not to sustain, but like Ian was saying earlier, it could be a side hustle.
I feel like a lot of people have multiple jobs these days anyway by an economy.
So, you know, just filming your job day-to-day, I think people can put that kind of content out there and it's pretty easy.
tim pool
How many people have tried doing the, I'm going to drive an Uber and film it and put the videos of conversations on the internet?
I've heard that idea 8,000 times and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, get in line.
hannah claire brimelow
Does Uber let you do that?
They do record, some cars do record whatever's happening, right?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure they do, you just gotta tell people.
It's like, hey, like when they get in your car and be like, hey, do you mind if I film and then put the thing on my YouTube channel?
And if someone says no, they're like, okay, and then you don't.
But Uber is a bad job anyway.
I feel bad for Uber drivers.
You cannot make a living doing that.
It destroys your car.
No, it costs more to drive your car.
ian crossland
Yeah, when I get a ride from the airport to here and it's a hundred bucks, I'm like, what is that?
Like 60, 40 of it goes to the driver?
kingsley wilson
Yeah, it's crazy.
ian crossland
And that's all?
That's going to cover gas and the wear on the car?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
And they just spent two and a half hours driving me?
Like what?
tim pool
Yeah, I was reading like in New York that Uber doesn't pay enough to cover the cost of the wear and tear on the car and gas, but people don't realize wear and tear, so they're like, alright, yeah, made 60 bucks, and it's like, by the end of the month, that money, you're gonna be negative because your car's gonna break, and then you have no job.
kingsley wilson
I wish we still had taxis.
I miss taxis.
Those were great.
tim pool
They still exist!
You know, but good luck.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They've been protesting quite a bit because they got screwed over by New York.
But anyway, man, social media is a wild thing.
And I'm kind of feeling like if we do move into this A.I.
automated future where all work is just being taken... My nightmare.
Yeah, just cars drive themselves.
I'm seeing more videos pop up on Instagram of just, you know, like, we've automated this job and that job, and you've got all the self-driving cars now.
The only job you're gonna have is competing with each other to get eyeballs, and then humans are going to become more insane than they already are.
Because already, if we're looking at, you need 37 million views to make three grand.
Imagine the psychotic behaviors people will adopt to try and make this work.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
They're gonna, they're gonna, I don't know, develop very serious personality disorders.
ian crossland
But that's gotta be bad for the human race.
tim pool
It's gotta be bad, literally it's bad.
hannah claire brimelow
Do they develop them or do the people who are prone to those personality disorders, do they want to be online doing these things?
Is it sort of like a natural, it's a mosque to a flame?
Probably both.
tim pool
I think this is where wokeness comes from.
People are online and they're trying to find ways to hit the algorithm, and the algorithms are leading lemmings off a cliff.
ian crossland
But what that makes me think is, like, the market tends to adjust and adopt for what is good and what makes sense for society.
I think in general, maybe not, maybe it just leads towards whatever's most addictive.
But if the thing is bringing no value but adding psychosis to the system, I would imagine that the market would weed it out.
hannah claire brimelow
Why?
What if we can't tell it's psychosis because we're so used to it because we consume so much of this content that we can't tell the difference between what's normal and what's not anymore?
ian crossland
That's a good point.
tim pool
We're there.
We're absolutely there.
So, if everybody believes something because everyone's sharing it, I mean, we can see the beginnings of this with the Covington Catholic kids.
Everybody sees the video, they assume it's true.
They just said, this kid got in that guy's face.
And then, uh-oh, a two-hour livestream was uncovered showing actually it was the other way around.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I was just looking up the, uh, what you said, like, that Walmart had pulled the ads in October and I found it, but I had to dig deep into Google because even though that was how they initially reported X, uh, the Joe Baranach, I can't say his name, head of operations at X said that Walmart started pulling its advertising.
It hasn't advertised since October.
So.
tim pool
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
The narrative that is being spun to the top of Google is actually different from the way it was originally reported.
They decided what was coming out.
They're shifting reality.
kingsley wilson
And I think that's been the best part of X, honestly.
Like, as a user, we can fact check these people in real time now.
Journalists have just been able to push their narratives for decades, and we haven't been able to, you know, dig and actually find it for ourselves.
A lot of people don't have the time or the willingness to do that.
So X slapping a community note on something like this, I think, is super beneficial.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, there's a couple ways to look at it.
It could be that Walmart was the first to boycott.
And no one reported it.
hannah claire brimelow
So if they're reporting- There's such trendsetters, Walmart.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, if they're saying Walmart has just joined, no, no, no, no, because they stopped advertising a long time ago.
Or it's completely unrelated.
But I'll tell you what proves that it's all fake.
I'm gonna prove to you right now, you live in a fake world, likely just being perpetuated by the deep state because money is fake, fiat currencies.
Here's a story from India, who is it, Indian Express?
There you go.
The Indian Express, a bastion of journalism, says X slash Twitter has higher organic traffic, but lower ad revenue than Facebook and Instagram Elon Musk.
He posted this.
And you can see, Twitter's SE traffic, 650.9 million.
Paid traffic is 1.1 thousand, almost none.
Paid traffic price, 14.3k.
You can look at Instagram, they have 100 thousand in paid traffic.
And Facebook has 708 thousand in paid traffic, with even less views.
So not only does Twitter have way more traffic, way less of it is paid traffic.
So this means, with advertisers pulling off effects, or, to give credit to the leftists who are saying Walmart's jumping ship, Walmart's saying we're doing better on other platforms?
I don't buy it.
I don't believe they are.
I've also done advertising on these other platforms, and I believe that most of it is fake.
A bot will watch your ad, and then they'll say, well, we assume it's real.
Cause how are they supposed to know?
I knew these dudes who were starting a company that's, that's their whole job.
The whole company premise was to, to, you'd, you'd, they would operate in between the company and the social media platform.
So company would say, we want to do an ad.
Then social media company would say, okay, they would go in the middle and track all of the link clicks to see how many were fake and how many were not.
And I think they were telling me like around half or more is fake.
Half.
So that means when you spend ten bucks, you think you're getting a certain amount of views, you're getting half that.
It's all fake.
So now we know that Twitter is the best, why aren't they- why isn't anybody spending money there?
Why spend money on Facebook when we all know Facebook isn't giving you the same return?
hannah claire brimelow
Because Elon Musk bad, Tim.
We can't be anywhere near him.
Him and that orange guy.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
I think the targeted ads are enticing with Facebook.
They track people so well, you can be like, I'm looking for 27-year-old males that wear red hats, that live near Philadelphia, that are awake between the hours of 4 and 9 p.m., and like, I don't know if Twitter can offer that kind of targeted Ad revenue.
I mean, even if half of them are bots, that's still really, really good targeting.
hannah claire brimelow
But it actually means that the price is twice as high because you're getting half as many views.
ian crossland
It's more than twice.
Oh, you mean to advertise to targeted audiences is like $8 for 1,000 views, whereas on target it's like $1.50 for 1,000 views.
But is that what your question was?
hannah claire brimelow
No, what I'm saying is, like, if I were to spend whatever amount of money, because I think that's gonna get me a thousand views, but actually it's getting me five hundred, the price per view is much higher than they're advertising.
tim pool
But they're reporting to you it's a thousand views.
hannah claire brimelow
Exactly.
tim pool
And they're just not telling you that the other half are fake.
Let's jump to this story.
We got this tweet from AI Not Kill Everyone-ism Memes, okay?
And they're playing a video from Sam Altman, who says he fears the impact that AI is going to have on the election.
It's not deepfakes.
He makes a really great point.
He says the main worry I have is not one that gets airtime.
On the issue of deepfakes, he says we all, you know, talking about deepfakes is fighting the last war.
We all have some degree of immunity to this.
We know that when there's a video or photo or audio, we should check and make sure it could be fake.
And then he's asked, well then what do you mean?
And he says, the thing I'm really worried about is customized one-on-one persuasion ability.
A foreign adversary that has trained their own AI system that none of us even know about.
Like systems on the internet powered by AI that are just like subtly influencing you.
The interviewer says, I fear manipulation by AI ease my concerns.
I just want to, you know, I bring this up because guys, 2024 is around the corner.
We're going to be off for the last week of this month.
So there's only a couple of weeks left.
We're going to be doing shows and talking about this stuff, but 2024 is just about here.
And this is already happening.
100% already, starting in probably 2015, and getting crazier.
Actually, I think it's fair to say, with the advent of social media, this degree of manipulation has existed, and it's been getting crazier and crazier, and as of right now, I'm willing to bet you are already being manipulated by AI.
Now, of course, I know the immediate reaction from everybody is, that's not what AI means, Tim.
You're talking about algorithms.
And it's like, okay, dude, no, we're speaking generally.
That computers are automated to the point where they're manipulating information in a variety of ways to sell products or to get people to win elections.
And I say AI because it's probably already outside the control of human beings.
So when you go on Twitter, when you go on Facebook, Instagram, or whatever, you don't realize this, but yeah, they are probably, you are probably being influenced by this machine that has no end goal, no real intention.
Here's the scary thing.
A human being has a goal.
I want this person to be president for this reason.
An AI has, I want this person to stare at the screen for 10 seconds longer.
And it will throw whatever in front of your face to make that happen.
Now, of course, people are going to say that's an algorithm.
Sure, fine.
If you're talking about artificial general intelligence, then the real fear is the AGI will make you serve it as a demigod master, and you won't even realize that you live for the machine.
But, you know, in the general sense, we are all already being manipulated for the 2024 election that's happening now.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think you're right.
ian crossland
I've stopped, not completely, but I've kind of stopped taking negative comments seriously, even remotely, if I don't know who they're from.
I even tell myself sometimes it's probably an AI.
And I know it's not probably an AI, but it's possibly an AI, and I'm just not going to taint my mind with that crap.
kingsley wilson
You're breaking out of the matrix.
ian crossland
Yeah, but the positive comments I still take seriously.
hannah claire brimelow
Those are AI.
tim pool
Dead Internet Theory, dude.
You know Dead Internet Theory?
ian crossland
I know that, what, 80% of the people on the internet are fake.
tim pool
And you go and you're talking to a computer.
Dude, you're standing in front of... I got 1.8 million followers, almost 1.9 million followers, and so when I tweet, What people think is that there's a million, two million people all standing there, like, with their phones up, recording, when in reality, maybe it's a hundred thousand, who knows?
They have these apps where you can, like, check how many files are organic, and whenever I do it, it's like, oh, they're all real, or whatever, I don't buy it.
I think the whole thing is fake.
I tweet something out, I get a bunch of generic random anime squirrels or whatever and I'm
just like, fake.
ian crossland
I wonder if the AI that Sam Altman's talking about is like, all it's trying to do is confuse
you.
So whatever you make a video, you make a video about, I walked in the sky was beautiful today,
you get a comment of, no it was really nasty out.
Or you say, I really like this candidate for president.
Well, that candidate's really nasty.
Don't you see?
hannah claire brimelow
I assume the AI wants you to continue to interact with it.
That's what its ultimate goal is because it needs your input to have data to continue to make decisions about what to do next.
I mean, I have a very rudimentary understanding of AI, but that's what it seems like it needs.
It needs human interaction to continue to basically use us to figure out what you like to do and to potentially behavioral model or whatever.
And so what I find interesting is that we have been Letting ourselves be susceptible to wanting to interact with the AI for a long time.
I mean, this is what we talk about with young teenagers who are essentially addicted to social media because they see all their value in the number of likes, the number of engagements, how long their snap streak is.
All of these metrics to say, Open your phone right now.
You have a notification.
You have a click.
You want to respond.
You don't want to be the one who doesn't respond to the Snapchat story.
You have to have something up.
Actually, if your Instagram page, if you interact with it enough, it's more likely to show yourself.
It's always driving you back to using it all the time, which is also what the AI wants you to do.
The AI wants to continue to learn what you're doing, so it needs you to constantly come back to it.
kingsley wilson
Right.
And he mentioned specifically, you know, foreign adversaries.
I think it's important for us to realize that this isn't just China.
Like, it's our own government.
To what extent are, you know, agencies like the FBI and the NSA using AI to influence American citizens when they go to vote at the polls in 2024?
I mean, I think that needs to be a real concern because you look at an agency like the FBI, who has a long history of entrapping Americans and pushing them and incentivizing them to do certain things.
I think, you know, we can't put it past these guys to be using this to reach their own ends.
ian crossland
And private companies, for sure.
Like reading about the business plot, the Smedley-Butler plot, 1933, these bankers tried to get Smedley-Butler to overthrow the US government and install a fascist dictatorship.
Smedley-Butler was like the top general in the United States.
They really wanted to overthrow March 500,000 dudes in Washington.
This is like a real plot.
tim pool
Why did they want to do it?
ian crossland
Because the federal FDR took us off the gold standard and they were like, he's going to destroy the economy.
We have to take him out of office and put a Put a general in and become fascist like Mussolini is so crazy that they're like and they're just totally willing like the Federal Reserve information on the Jekyll Island.
These guys have like the private sector when we talk about foreign agents that the private sector are foreign agents.
Corporations are foreign agents to our government.
They're not part of our government.
They might exist on in the United States, but they are foreign agents.
So if they might also very well be the ones trying to manipulate us.
tim pool
Well, I'm not sure.
Well, I mean, we know for a fact it is the government manipulating us, along with the massive corporations.
So, you know, welcome to the nightmare.
Welcome to hell, baby.
It's gonna be... Look, we talked about this last week.
I posted a deepfake of Nancy Pelosi a year and a half ago, and it looked hilariously bad and disgusting.
You post a deepfake of Nancy Pelosi now, and it's hilarious and realistic.
Where are we gonna be with AI voice deepfaking?
It's gonna be perfect.
So we're going into 2024, deepfakes are bad, but the real issue is that there's probably already, right now, with GPT being public, there are probably millions of AI chatbot accounts on social media that are programmed just to respond in certain ways, but slightly unique.
It used to be That if you searched for a certain phrase, you'd see like 10,000 accounts all tweeting the same exact quote and you knew it was a bot farm or something.
But now they're going to use these large language models to generate semi-unique but similar responses.
They're going to program into it, whenever you see anything with the subject matter, respond with a quote that has these parameters, and now someone's going to get bombarded by a bunch of cartoon squirrels, communist squirrels on Twitter, and they're going to believe it's real life.
And then they're going to be like, I need to behave like this because it's normal.
ian crossland
It could be like, if music is played in video, put fire emoji in chat.
If user of video says positive things about concept, we want them to talk about positively.
If they say negative things in chat, if negative words are used, give thumbs down emoji when music plays.
It's crazy manipulative.
tim pool
It's crazy, and that's so rudimentary.
You're gonna get three, you're gonna get someone, you're gonna tweet something like, I think that we need to be back on the gold standard, Ron Paul was right.
And the AI will generate a response that is five tweets long, numbered, and it's gonna be like, Ian, you're wrong about this, here's why.
And you're gonna see a picture of a guy, and you're gonna be like, well, that's probably a real person.
And in reality, it's just one of the faceless husks of the narrative machine being programmed to convince you that you're wrong.
ian crossland
And they interact with each other.
You'll see conversations in the comments, and those could all be AI trying to... Could all be fake.
hannah claire brimelow
Could all be not real.
tim pool
It's possible that we're not even in this room right now.
That everyone watching at home is all CGI.
ian crossland
That's where I'm starting to be like, just have kids and spend time with your children, because that's not going to get deepfaked out of you.
Maybe people will be tricked into thinking their family is not their family, or vice versa.
tim pool
I want to start asking regular people that I meet, do they have accounts on X or Instagram or TikTok or whatever?
hannah claire brimelow
So many people I know are not on on X like it's it's hard to be in the media space without being on it and so I think that we have a warped perspective.
I think most people I know are not on like my just friends that I have made throughout my life are not on it at all and so there's stuff that blows up online that we know about we think oh this happened and that will influence election but actually like there's a lot of people who don't know about this this thing that trended for a week.
It's like a separate universe.
tim pool
Well, one of the stories that we'll get into later is Bill Maher saying, when Roseanne says you're MKUltra, he goes, who's that?
ian crossland
He was played so ignorant in that interview with Roseanne.
She brought up Klaus Schwab, and he was like, who's Klaus Schwab?
I'm like, what, really?
tim pool
But no, no, no, this is a guy who lives on CNN.
That's Bill Maher's thing.
It's like he grew up watching MSNBC, and that is what his worldview is.
That's it.
kingsley wilson
It's so funny, though, because leftists and progressives look to him as an intellectual.
Like, how ironic is that?
unidentified
No, not anymore.
kingsley wilson
Really?
unidentified
I feel like you do.
tim pool
The left hates Bill Maher.
kingsley wilson
The coastal elites, though, I feel like some of them... Yeah, but those are liberals.
Yeah.
unidentified
Leftists think Bill Maher's... Okay, so classical liberals look to him as an intellectual and like... Well, classical liberals are right-wing.
tim pool
So classical liberal refers to right-wing, like, right libertarians.
Traditional liberal would refer to like Democrats from 15 years ago.
And so that's Bill Maher.
Leftists think he's right-wing and they call him a fascist and they call him alt-right and they've called him alt-right for like eight years.
hannah claire brimelow
It's weird how much the left just dragged themselves over and said, no, the moderates are actually far right.
They're crazy.
Don't listen to them.
They have just completely moved the map.
If you ever see one of those videos of someone moving a house across a field, and we all were just like, OK, sounds good.
And now the skew of what's right and what's far right and what's left is so off.
I feel like we need to just recalibrate it to where most of America actually is.
tim pool
I'm wondering, someone superchatted as a joke, this superchat isn't real, but serious question, have you guys in the chat asked yourselves how many of the people posting are probably not even real and how many of the superchats aren't even real?
I'm not even joking.
hannah claire brimelow
Undercutting the value of our show.
tim pool
Undercutting the value.
hannah claire brimelow
Not even listening to us.
ian crossland
Every once in a while you'll see a comment in the live chat and then immediately the same comment from a different account.
Same, like same capitalization, everything, it'll just be two sentences identical.
tim pool
And the other thing, too, is if there is an influence operation, you might be a regular person in the regular chat and you're posting your opinions, and you can't compete with a foreign entity or corporation that is paying for the super chats to make sure their views are more prominently displayed above yours.
ian crossland
And speaking of not being able to compete with AI, man, in day trading, you know, you try and do day trading with crypto and you can't compete with the AI.
You might make a little bit along with it, but that stuff is driving the market.
tim pool
The crazy stuff is like the crypto arbitrage.
Where, like, people make millions of dollars a year doing literally nothing.
ian crossland
Just by, like, making a cent on a trade?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know exactly how it works.
ian crossland
Oh, that's where they'll get it on one market and then immediately sell it on another market where it's slightly different price.
tim pool
Sort of.
When a transfer is executed, the computer can move in and make a deal faster than a human can.
So, when a human's making a deal, it's going through the system, and the computer just instantly jumps in between, and then gets a fraction of a penny from that trade, and then you do that millions upon millions of times, and you are just shaving off fractions of a cent into your account.
So there are people out there doing this.
I don't know.
I was told it's illegal.
I don't know anything about it.
But there are people who make millions of dollars and they do nothing.
Literally, they click go.
hannah claire brimelow
That's wild.
tim pool
Yeah, I think that happens with stocks and stuff.
serge du preez
Arbitrage exists for like currency.
So like one currency will have the worth in one place and it's worth way less in the other place and you'll just take the money or worth way more.
So you take the money there and you go sell it over there and just get the exchange rate.
It's legal, so.
tim pool
Well, I mean, like, in the real world, it makes sense to buy water in one place and bring it to another.
Like, we talked about this with a lot of disasters, when they, like, make price gouging illegal.
And I think price gouging is mostly fine.
I mean, imagine there's a disaster and there's no water.
So somebody buys a bunch of water and drives it into the disaster zone and sells it for, like, five bucks a bottle.
And people are buying it.
Well, I'm pretty sure those people don't want to die, and they're willing to spend the five bucks a bottle.
And that person who loaded up all that stuff did a lot of work, bought fuel, drove into a disaster zone, and brought relief water.
Why can't they sell it for what they want?
If people don't want to buy it, they don't have to buy it.
ian crossland
It becomes questionable if there's limited resources, and they got in early when everyone was going there to get the water for free to bring to the disaster site, but some one guy got in, like, just before and bought it all up.
You know, he's selling it at a 400% markup.
What do you mean?
tim pool
How do you buy water for free?
Are you saying, like, if they took free relief water and then tried reselling it, that's a different story?
ian crossland
Well, if there was, like, water at a store, and then there was a disaster, and then one guy went to the store, bought all the water, and then, like, four hours later, a bunch of the disaster relief guys get to the store to get the water that they're gonna bring for free, but it's already bought up.
tim pool
It's never gonna be for free.
ian crossland
Or cheap.
They're gonna deliver it at no cost.
tim pool
Right, they'd buy it and then deliver it.
ian crossland
Yeah, but instead it had been bought up by one guy and he's gonna market up 500%.
That's, I think, you could argue that should be illegal.
tim pool
Why should that be illegal?
ian crossland
Because it's a disaster and it should be treated like national emergency security, national defense.
So for a dude to try and profit off that I think is unethical at the very least and you could argue that should be illegal.
tim pool
The question then becomes where, what other areas are you not allowed to buy a product when you expect high demand?
ian crossland
Maybe non-disaster relief.
I mean, if they're not disaster relief situations, that's a different story.
Martin Shkreli got smacked for his medicine.
Yeah, he raised like a diet.
What was it?
serge du preez
It was, uh, man, I want to say it was, it has something to do with, um, what's the word?
Diabetes.
I think it was insulin shots.
I'm not really sure.
tim pool
Diabetes?
serge du preez
Not totally sure.
ian crossland
He, he like marked it up 700%.
I don't want to miss.
serge du preez
Yeah, it was like 700%.
I don't know where it was exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like the other challenge would be, you know, what if the federal government decides that your issue is not a disaster?
And so price gouging is like allowed there.
It becomes like, sort of unclear when and if we allow some protections and
not like I'd rather have a blanket rule either you're allowed to do it
unidentified
Or you're not like you know I mean It's an interesting point
tim pool
We made that someone goes to a store and buys all the water right before a disaster and then after the disaster sells
it because The question is how do you know how did he know the
kingsley wilson
disaster was coming? It's like congressman trading Like, how many times do they buy defense stocks and then there's an attack.
tim pool
Yeah.
serge du preez
That's why I've been following this guy that trades exclusively off of, like, what Congress trades on.
It's doing pretty well.
unidentified
I'm not gonna give you financial advice, by the way, not financial advice, but... Yeah, I think, I think, what was it, people were saying, like, the Pelosi tracker was, like, 20% or something?
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's crazy.
ian crossland
It probably came from... Free money.
Back in the day when, like, a disaster would hit, and then one guy would run to the store and get all the water, and then he'd come back and be like, hey everyone, I brought all the water, but it's gonna be five times more.
The crowd would be like, we're not gonna put up with that.
That was back before, like, when common sense kind of ruled the roost.
Before, like, he's like, I have a contract, and you're like, yeah.
tim pool
Right, but there's still a problem here.
The problem is, in this scenario, how is it that he got to the store and bought the water with no one else realizing they needed water?
ian crossland
Or he just had the fastest car, who knows?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, or, okay, so potentially this guy just saw there is a disaster coming, there is starting to be water, whatever, I'm gonna do this, rather than prepare my own house, this is the thing I think is worth spending my time to do, and he ultimately made an investment, he decided that this was the thing he should do, buy the water, instead of maybe, like, leave the city, or, like, lock down his house, or whatever disaster he's in, I'm really not sure.
tim pool
The problem with the argument there is that, let's say somebody has a well on their property, and they make water.
And then all of a sudden, demand for water is skyrocketing, everybody wants the water from his property, so he's like, okay, to maintain this and deliver this much water, I'm gonna charge more money.
And this is my opportunity.
This is why I invested in this.
And you say, nah, it's a disaster, people need water, you can't do that.
Okay, listen, now we'll go to food.
Well, now you've got a guy who grows lots of food, and then demand spikes as food shortages hit, and they say, no, you can't sell your food for a higher price because we're in a shortage, so we're going to buy your food at a government-locked rate.
And then, if you say that's acceptable, you get into all the other areas, well, people need clothes, people need shoes, people need fuel, and then you start price-locking everything.
I kind of... I understand what you're saying about someone going to a gas station or whatever and buying it, but the problem is still, if a disaster hits, no one has any advanced foreknowledge of the disaster, perhaps it's the problem of the gas station or the store deciding to sell all of their stock to one guy.
And, you know, and they say, we don't care, you can buy it all.
ian crossland
Yeah, you can also redefine what a disaster is, and that can be used against people.
Be like, hey, it's a disaster, you have to give your, I mean, food rationing, things like that.
tim pool
Yeah, the government then says, well, you know, the economic downturn qualifies as a disaster, so we're taking your water.
We're taking all these products from your store and we're gonna give them out for free.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what worries me because when the government decides it's a disaster, these things, these rules would suddenly apply.
But again, it's not consistent.
There are sometimes communities that need help and the federal government will be like, no, you're not serious enough.
And other times they're like, no, we have to intervene here.
Wasn't this something we talked about with East Palestine?
Like the fact that the chemical spill was a big deal and the federal government kind of ignored it?
I'm not saying we should have gone to price gouging but it is interesting that we would ultimately be deciding this is something the federal government should elect to tell us and I don't like that.
tim pool
There was some story where a guy filled up his pickup truck with a bunch of bottles of water, drove into a disaster area and sold them for like five bucks each and he got in trouble.
They were like, how dare you?
And my attitude is kind of like, would you rather have five dollar water or no water?
It was obvious, $5 water.
Otherwise, you'll just die!
You know, but they were like, yeah, but he's exploiting a crisis.
Okay, then just tell him not to bring the water next.
He'll say, okay, I won't bring you any water.
And then you all die of dehydration.
ian crossland
In New York, you'll see like umbrella salesmen and there'll be a buck and no one will ever buy them.
And then when it rains, they're like $9 each.
tim pool
That's right.
unidentified
Boom.
tim pool
Hey, that's not fair.
hannah claire brimelow
How did they know it was going to rain?
tim pool
That's exploitation, but this is true.
Guys will be standing outside their little carts or whatever.
And the umbrellas will be, well, yeah, there'll be like five bucks and there'll be in a little bin.
As soon as the rain comes, you see a different sign flopped down.
It's 15 bucks and they sell them like hotcakes.
ian crossland
Since they're non-essential, I understand.
I like that, actually.
tim pool
I really like taking advantage of the situation.
You know what?
Fine.
I'm sick of Walmart jacking up the price of winter coats as soon as it gets cold out.
Have you noticed this?
If you're buying winter clothing in summer, it's cheap.
But now it's cold, and people are freezing to death, and they're trying to exploit us.
unidentified
No, it's fine.
tim pool
This is the point of supply and demand.
You charge more when the opportunity arises.
ian crossland
Yeah, price gouging and price limiting are both kind of federally... Well, you don't want the government to limit the prices a company can set because then the company goes out of business and that destroys the economy.
But then how do you stop companies from price gouging?
What's the rules and the laws on that?
tim pool
I think... Caveat emptor.
serge du preez
It's caveat emptor.
It's buyer beware.
If you aren't the one who's willing to look into what you're buying and everything like that, it's your responsibility ultimately, you know?
tim pool
Within reason, I think fraud.
We can say, okay, this person lied.
serge du preez
Tricking, yeah.
tim pool
But if someone knows they're buying a bottle of water, and it's clean, fresh, pure water, and the guy says, my water.
If you want it, I want a hundred bucks.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
And you say, but that's so unfair.
I'm dying of dehydration.
Well, it's my water.
I want it.
I'll give you a hundred bucks.
No, how dare you?
Well, let's jump to this story here.
This is the bigger news that we were going to get into initially, but that we pushed back.
Here we go.
From DC Drano.
He says, and there it is!
Senator Dick Durbin is finally revealing their grand plan.
Flood the country with illegal aliens, enlist them in the military, and make them citizens.
The part he isn't disclosing is who the Marxists will use the alien soldiers against.
Ah, yes, interesting.
The funny thing is that we've talked about this, and I've speculated this would be the case.
We have massive shortfalls in our military, and we have a massive illegal immigration population coming across the border.
I said, how long until they send all these guys to Ukraine?
No joke.
Now here's my question to all the Republicans who are upset about illegal immigration.
You got Texas saying we're gonna send them to Martha's Vineyard or whatever, or Florida and Texas.
Okay.
What if we send them all to Ukraine?
New rule, new law.
United States, if you enter this country illegally, we won't deport you.
We will send you to Ukraine.
I'm not saying make them fight.
I am not saying force them to join any kind of government action.
I am not saying we're involved in any war.
I am saying, quite literally, The deportation process is not a return to your home country.
All non-citizens who are here illegally and facing deportation sent to Ukraine.
Of course, then the Ukrainian government will take them, hand them a weapon, and say to the front lines with yee.
hannah claire brimelow
But you know, that's... But I'm fine if they're in the Ukrainian military.
I don't want them to join our military, right?
If you're in the middle of committing the crime of illegally entering my country, I don't think you're my country's best interest at heart.
I don't necessarily want you to be in my military and then be, you know, have access to the GI Bill or whatever else.
That doesn't make sense to me.
tim pool
Let me play this clip.
You can hear it for yourselves.
unidentified
What troubles me about the debate now about the southern border is that it is one half of the immigration equation.
Yes, we need order at the border.
Yes, we need to have changes in the laws that reflect the reality of the overwhelming numbers from all over the world who are coming to our shores and our border.
But there is also an incredible demand for legal immigration into this country even now.
Residing officer, my colleague from the state of Illinois, has legislation which addresses one aspect of that.
Her bill, and I hope I describe it accurately, says that if you are an undocumented person in this country- Undocumented person in this country.
hannah claire brimelow
You're an illegal immigrant.
tim pool
You're an illegal immigrant.
kingsley wilson
Invader.
unidentified
And you can pass the physical and the required test, background test, the like.
You can serve in our military, and if you do it honorably, we will make you citizens of the United States.
Do we need that?
hannah claire brimelow
No.
unidentified
Do you know what the recruiting numbers are at the Army and the Navy and the Air Force?
They can't reach their quotas each month.
They can't find enough people to join our military forces.
And there are those who are undocumented who want the chance to serve and risk their lives for this country.
tim pool
Treason.
Sedition.
unidentified
Should we give them a chance?
hannah claire brimelow
No!
unidentified
I think we should.
tim pool
This is sedition.
hannah claire brimelow
You're incorrect, Dick.
tim pool
They have created policies that are destroying the U.S.
armed forces, and now they are advocating to have non-citizens serve in our armed forces.
The armed forces will be replaced From citizens to non-citizens, and then when the order is given to fire an American citizen, they're gonna say, I don't care.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
It doesn't make any sense.
And he's saying, we're having trouble recruiting people.
So instead of trying to address that issue, we're just going to bring in people who are here illegally and give them a path to citizenship.
kingsley wilson
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
This doesn't make sense.
kingsley wilson
Let's fix, like, why we're having trouble.
Like, why did you fire all the unvaccinated?
Why are you pushing woke crap and DEI?
down these troops' throats.
They hate it.
They don't want it.
They're not willing to die for a country that, you know, hates them and hates their founding.
And I think what they're doing is, you know, they are trying to bring people here who have no allegiance to America's founding because when the time comes, they'll be willing to turn the guns on all of us, right?
Because they have no allegiance to us, no respect for our laws.
As you said, they're coming here illegally already.
It's crazy.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and it seems like it, like, I don't understand how any humanitarian would be like, great idea, Dick Durbin, I love this because now you're holding citizenship over someone's head being say, go fight in a war, but potentially die to get citizenship.
The thing about being an American citizen and enlisting the military is that you already have that, right?
So you're of service to your own country.
It seems like a crazy prospect on both sides to say that anyone would benefit from this at all.
It seems like blackmail on one hand.
I know you're here illegally.
You have now registered with the government.
To be fair, the Biden administration doesn't deport anyone.
They're useless.
But theoretically, I know you're here illegally.
So continue to fight until I say you can stay here.
Or we could just maybe enforce border laws and then go back to our native population and say, why don't you want to enlist in the military?
What changed in our culture?
that drove military recruitment down what's going on in the military like you've alluded to all sorts of like woke ads the the vaccination regulations as well as just generally like what are the physical fitness standards what are the benefits what what are we doing that's not working rather than bring in a class of illegal people Why don't we just go to people who are already here, our citizens, and ask them what would make you want to be in the military?
kingsley wilson
Well, none of these people who come here illegally are still a burden on the taxpayer, right?
We're still paying for them to be here, paying for all of the benefits that they get as members of the military and will get when they leave the military.
So, you know, you're not in any way taking this problem away from the American taxpayer.
You might even be making it worse, one could argue.
unidentified
It doesn't make any sense.
ian crossland
We could give less benefits to foreigners that join the military, but give them citizenship as their benefit.
hannah claire brimelow
But isn't that like a form of discrimination?
Saying you're doing the same job, but you get fewer benefits?
That doesn't make any sense.
Also, shouldn't you want to fight for your own country?
I mean, shouldn't you be a citizen to enlist in the military?
How do we know where your loyalties are if you're not a citizen of the country you're serving?
kingsley wilson
Absolutely.
I think these people, in particular, recent, you know, people that are crossing over the southern border have shown they have no interest in assimilating, right?
They're waving their foreign flags.
They're not adhering to our values.
People used to come to the U.S.
and literally change their last name so they could pass as American.
That's how badly they wanted to assume our identity and adhere to our culture.
And these people aren't doing that at all.
They're shoving it in our faces.
So to think that they would want to fight under the banner of the American flag, you know, honestly and believe in it, I think that's just stupid.
ian crossland
I think about the Hessians, having foreign nationals fight for your country. It's not super
uncommon. The British hired the German Hessians to fight during the American Revolution and against
the colonists. But you see the Roman Empire started to hire and bring in foreigners to fight
a late-stage empire when they didn't want to fight anymore.
hannah claire brimelow
Like I said, if Ukraine wants to hire America's illegal immigrants to go fight for their war,
that's fine. But I don't think that as the country, the U.S.
should say, as a path to citizenship, we should encourage illegal immigration.
It's the same reason that you make with ending birthright citizenship, right?
If you say, if you have a child in this country, you get to stay, then people are like, what can I do to have a child in that country?
And if I were to say, if you enlist in our military, you get to stay, I'm undermining the actual problem, which is that people should not be illegally entering into our country and then being expected to find a way to assimilate and benefit, especially because they didn't respect the country in the first place to get there.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, and I'm just really tired of politicians trying to fix, you know, symptoms of the problem and not actually get to the root of it.
We have the capacity to totally stop the illegal immigration in our southern border.
We just don't have politicians who are willing to do that.
tim pool
Alright, well how about this one from Florida's Voice.
This is not normal. DeSantis warns of invasion as group of Chinese nationals crosses the border.
So, how many of the people that they're going to put in our military or non-citizens are going to be, I don't know,
Iranian or...
hannah claire brimelow
You mean fighting-age men from other countries that don't have our best interests at heart?
tim pool
And particularly those from China!
ian crossland
Or they get officer status, then they have access to sensitive data.
tim pool
Yo, people, you want to talk about- this is a funny thing when I talk about, uh, civil war, and they're like, it'll never happen.
I love this one.
When I would ask people- I would ask people this 20 years ago.
If, uh, A US military man was ordered to fire on an American citizen, would they do it?
And the immediate reaction from everyone is, no they would not.
And I'm like, that's the stupidest thing ever, of course they would.
For the same reason why police shoot guys in their pickup trucks when they're on a high-speed chase.
The assumption with the question is that there's just like a random guy walking down the street.
There's always some kind of reason.
And if it comes down to like there's a mass protest and someone is ordered like by any means necessary to stop this guy, he's a fugitive, he's dangerous.
Do you think like, and I'm not trying to single out a military person, I'm saying anyone in law enforcement.
They're not going to operate under the assumption that the person they're going after is a sane, rational individual.
They're being told by their superiors, these are the actions you take.
This person is considered armed and dangerous.
Okay.
So you've got a National Guard out and they brief them and say there's going to be riots and there's going to be live ammo and fully automatic rifles.
Do not, you know, blah blah blah.
And then if something was happening and...
Someone was firebombing something and they said, that guy, stop him now, open fire.
Like, there's not a situation where they're gonna be like, well hold on there commanding officer, I understand there's something happening in front of me, but I'm gonna go ahead and not do that.
There are certain circumstances where, imagine it's a regular guy walking down the street carrying a newspaper, someone might be like, I don't know what's going on.
But even then, you have You have the issue of, the example I like to use is the Bosphorus Bridge coup attempt in Turkey.
These guys are being told something, right?
You're going out, you're working in security, they don't think, the commanding officer isn't saying, I'm a villain and I want to kill a random person, I order you to do it, because then they're going to say no.
There's typically some kind of reason.
But even outside of that, Look where we are now.
I've talked about civil war and they say, oh, the military is not going to fight the American people, blah, blah, blah.
This military will.
A bunch of Chinese and Honduran nationals who are in the U.S.
Army and the National Guard who are deployed to quell a riot from a bunch of American-born people in Staten Island.
You got the people in Staten Island protesting that they're busing in non-citizens and giving the tax money from the citizens to the non-citizens.
The citizens protest.
These guys show up in the National Guard, they're ordered open fire, they're not going to think twice.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, because they have no respect for our founding ideology.
Like, when you hear, you know, CIA or FBI or DOJ whistleblowers talk, what they always say is, you know, I felt that this went against our founding belief system.
It was against the Constitution.
I felt I couldn't, you know, do this raid on my fellow man who did no wrong.
These people don't have that kind of ideology or approach to anything at all.
They're already coming here.
They're breaking laws.
They're going to shoot the Staten Island protester, no doubt.
tim pool
The assumption is an American citizen, you know, American as apple pie, is told to open fire on an American citizen who is also as American as apple pie and is like, whoa, whoa, I can't do that.
That's my neighbor and my brother and he's flying the American flag.
Dude, you will get some proud boy type dude with an American flag or Trump supporter waving a flag and screaming in protest.
And there will be a guy from Honduras or from Ecuador or even from Africa because we've had illegal immigrants.
They fly from Africa into Brazil and then travel all of the southern border.
They're going to be given positions in not just the military.
Take a look at this one from WTTW.
New Illinois law that allows certain non-citizens to join law enforcement.
It becomes a flashpoint.
That's right.
There's going to be a cop who shows up and he's going to say, I don't know you.
I don't care about you.
My life was bad.
I have been given an opportunity.
Anything they tell me to do, I will do.
And you had that story where there was a Somali migrant who killed that woman in her car for no reason.
You remember that one?
It was Minnesota or whatever.
For no reason.
He just kills this woman.
I'm like, it was like a park.
What was it?
What was it like a speeding ticket or something?
I can't remember the story.
This woman did like nothing, like her headlights out.
And he's like, okay.
And he shoots her and kills her.
What do you think's going to happen when you have non-citizens in your military?
kingsley wilson
To inmates running the asylum.
tim pool
Yeah, I think it's more like the Legion of Doom.
ian crossland
To this business plot, I mean, this is just insane business plot.
You gotta just educate yourself on the business plot.
Smedley Butler, American retired general, World War I general, they wanted him to lead a fascist overthrow, and he said no.
If he had said yes...
We'd be living under a tyrant right now.
We probably would have joined the Nazis.
tim pool
I just gotta stop you.
I don't believe any of that.
We're under tyranny.
We are dealing with them putting non-citizens in law enforcement.
They're giving non-citizens the right to vote.
The Biden administration actually had Border Patrol cut the barrier and shut the barriers down.
So this idea that there was some coup a hundred years ago is meaningless when right now we are living under tyrants.
ian crossland
Yeah, that was the attempt at legitimizing their coup was that business plot.
But if Smedley Butler didn't have American ideals is the point I'm bringing it up.
If he had been a foreign national, then it rose to the rank of general because of service, and then they'd ask him to go become the dictator.
If he's from Somalia, I'm not saying Somalia is a bad place, but somewhere where dictatorships were norm.
You could see that.
tim pool
And for all you know, this guy, the actual plot was, we want you to go to Congress and claim there's a plot to legitimize the removal of the gold standard and strengthen the Federal Reserve.
And he smirked and said, yes.
These ideas that we just believe these narratives and trust all of it is meaningless to me.
ian crossland
Smedley Butler was like the most decorated general on earth at the time.
tim pool
So what?
It's a hundred years ago and it's irrelevant to the point that right now, regardless of what happened, we're looking at Dick Durbin out of Illinois saying, non-citizens in the military, and we're looking at Illinois Same place!
So they're saying non-citizen law enforcement.
ian crossland
If Smedley Butler had been a non-citizen in that situation and they go to a non-citizen, they're like, hey, overthrow.
A non-citizen is way more likely.
hannah claire brimelow
I think the thing is America isn't just, oh, we live here and so therefore we are American.
American is a cultural and philosophical belief.
There is more behind it than just, oh, I happen to have residence or happen to have stumbled into this area and live there, right?
And that's why it works, why there is common value.
It's why you could have multiple states that also share commonality.
We don't work like separate countries entirely.
What I find to be challenging is that Dick Durbin is saying, well, we have these people here and so we should just let them be citizens if they trade in some way.
It's undermining what really we need to address, which is our cultural issues, which is why people don't want to enlist in the military.
Just saying we should replace the populations that's here because they aren't doing the job that we want is not the answer.
It just will ultimately create some long-term problems.
tim pool
And I will clarify, too, for the super-chatter, Dante Scarlett saying it's illegal immigrants we're concerned about.
It's not as much non-citizens, but it is still, in my opinion, partly non-citizens.
It is true that there are people who are not citizens who join the military, and we have had programs where you're not a citizen, join the military, you can become a citizen.
The difference between illegal immigrant and that is very clear.
However, regardless, I would not be very happy with a mass mobilization of non-citizens in any capacity, be it illegal immigrant or permanent resident.
hannah claire brimelow
And the thing is, Dick Durbin says we need more legal immigration, too, which I just fundamentally disagree with because it's the same argument, right?
People here aren't doing the thing we want, so let's bring in someone else rather than go to our native population and say, how can we get you into these roles that we need filled?
What can we do to rally as a country and solve our own problems?
I think this is what's upsetting about the immigration debate, which is that there are a lot, I mean, both of my parents are immigrants.
They came to America.
They chose to be here.
That was good, right?
I was raised as an American.
I have cultural ties elsewhere, but this is not the same thing when you come illegally.
When you come illegally because you see some social benefit, but you don't actually want to be a part of the country, it's very different.
The first thing you could do would be to show respect to the country and abide by their laws, including their immigration laws, which are frustrating and I understand that, but illegal immigrants are not going through the same process that legal immigrants are going through.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story from scnr.com.
Who's that?
Bill Maher reveals to Roseanne Barr he's never heard of MKUltra or the World Economic Forum.
This is such an amazing example.
An amazing example of the ignorance that persists among liberals.
And let me play for you this video.
Roseanne educating Bill Maher in a hilarious way.
unidentified
No wonder I don't remember this.
roseanne barr
No shit, you blocked it out MKUltra.
unidentified
Who's that?
roseanne barr
That's the mind control program you're under, Bill.
unidentified
MKUltra?
Yeah.
Who's Klaus Schwab?
roseanne barr
The head of the WEF.
unidentified
What's that?
roseanne barr
Google it.
tim pool
Yo, this is why, I'm going to be completely honest, Bill Maher won't come on this show.
And I think there's a reason why liberals and leftists avoid this show because, look, Roseanne, I mean, she knows what MKUltra is.
She knows what the World Economic Forum is.
In this video, she didn't even say much about it, but Bill Maher has no idea.
These people, they live on the tip of the iceberg, up top, above the surface level, and we're all scuba diving.
So we see all the dirt, the grime, and the horrors of the deep state.
And people like Bill Maher standing up top, looking around, like, it's just water!
Y'all are crazy and nothing but water!
And we're like, you know, down there, there's skulls and other really awful, disgusting things.
Roseanne gets to hang out with Bill Maher, but this is it.
This is a good example of where liberals are at.
They have no idea what's going on.
They don't pay attention.
They don't care.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think that's true.
I think what I like right now is like Roseanne Barr is one of these celebrities that's sort of toying the line between several things.
It was like Theovon had Tucker Carlson on his show and I love it because he's just a comedian, he's making observation, he has mass appeal.
On the other hand, Tucker is completely political and everything is and they have this interesting conversation.
Roseanne Barr confronting Bill over here, who's like, hearing the words MKUltra and glitching, he has no idea what's going on, is extremely funny for, I don't know, an endless number of reasons, but also because it's sort of showing that more moderate people are aware of these things.
And I think that is not what liberal entertainment expected.
ian crossland
I'm having a hard time believing you didn't know what MKUltra was.
Is Bill a master troll?
Is he great at feigning ignorance?
tim pool
No.
The famous clip, of course, is when Dennis Prager was on and mentioned tampons in the men's room.
And Bill was like, no, that's for their girlfriends!
Come on!
And Dennis was desperately, desperately trying to inform these liberals of actual things that were happening and they all just laughed like a bunch of cackling morons.
ian crossland
I wonder if Bill adopted cynicism because his show got shut down after 9-11 because he spoke out so harshly against it, against like the response to war.
I don't know exactly what he said.
He said something about not hating the terrorists, like thinking everybody's, you know.
Yeah.
And now he's like, oh, if I speak out of line again, they're going to cancel me again.
So I've got to always be like, oh, really?
I didn't know.
hannah claire brimelow
Ignorance is a good defense.
tim pool
This is his show.
This is his podcast.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think afterwards he fell down the craziest Google rabbit hole of looking all of this stuff up?
He hasn't left his office for three days.
He's totally calling Roseanne Barbee like, thank you for telling me about this.
Or do you think he just ignored it?
I doubt he Googled it.
tim pool
He ignored it completely.
kingsley wilson
I don't think they want to know.
They just write us off as conspiracy theorists and they never look into it.
hannah claire brimelow
It's interesting.
But also, wouldn't you wonder, like, this is what I find interesting, if you're curious about things, you would look it up.
But is it actually just trying to put your head in the sand and pretend none of this is happening?
tim pool
Well, just as an aside, for whatever reason, a few minutes ago a house exploded in Arlington and there's video of it.
hannah claire brimelow
So I don't think- Anyone's house specifically?
unidentified
No, it was a house exploded in Arlington.
tim pool
So it's like big breaking news, the police were issuing a search warrant, and this house exploded.
But, uh, you know, people are chatting it, but we don't have any details on why.
So, don't know what else to tell you about that, but anyway, back to the point.
hannah claire brimelow
That can happen from, like, gas leaks, right?
tim pool
No, this was a search warrant being served to a house that was barricaded, the house then exploded.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So anyway, Bill Maher, Bill Maher, she called him MKUltra.
Basically, Bill Maher is the propaganda grift machine for the above-surface-level narrative machine.
ian crossland
He is the mockingbird?
unidentified
Yeah.
He's a mockingbird.
hannah claire brimelow
But then he laughed, and then was like, what is that?
It's so weird.
Is he even participating in this conversation?
ian crossland
Yeah, they talk about the Bank for International Settlements, and he's like, what's that?
And she's like, it's the Swiss bank.
It's the mother bank of all central banks, the central bank of central banks.
And he's like, yeah, but they're not running the show, the Swiss banks.
tim pool
I think it's funny that, like, you know, Ian's bringing up Smedley Butler in the business plot, and I'm like, I don't think that has relevant to- we're actually dis- like, if it was Bill Maher, he'd be like, huh?
Imagine wanting to start a podcast and being like, I've done no research, I know nothing of politics, but I'm here to debate you.
Okay.
People listen to that?
How many subscribers does he have on his show?
What is it called?
What's his show called?
ian crossland
Um, that one is... Ultracast?
kingsley wilson
Isn't it like the Bill Maher show?
tim pool
No.
I don't even know the name of it.
ian crossland
Critically Uncorrect?
No, I don't know what the hell he calls it.
After Dark?
I don't know.
That's Dr. Drew's show.
tim pool
Club Random.
ian crossland
There it is, Club Random.
tim pool
All right, well, let's take a look here at the Club Random podcast.
He's got half a million subscribers and 840 videos.
ian crossland
There it is.
tim pool
And let's take a look at his videos.
He's got one with Jordan Peterson, 4.1 million.
That's more for Jordan Peterson.
RFK.
I mean, that's the reality of this.
It's, it's, his videos are mostly about the guests.
Him sitting down with Kid Rock, probably interesting because what's happening is... You know, actually, I take it back.
It's an excellent show.
It's an excellent show.
It is... Dumb guy who doesn't read is educated by everyone else.
ian crossland
Basically.
Kinda like Rogan.
tim pool
It does kind of work, but no, but Rogan has a good idea a lot about what he's talking about.
ian crossland
He calls himself dumb.
Just so.
hannah claire brimelow
But he's deeply curious.
Like Rogan asks a lot of really interesting questions because his mind is going, whereas
Bill Maher is sort of like, ha ha, I think I'm supposed to laugh here.
I haven't watched the show really, so I shouldn't be that critical.
But it is, there's sort of a difference.
I think if you were to sit down with someone and say, I know absolutely nothing about this, please tell me as much as you can in the next hour, that could be an interesting format.
I think because he's sort of a built personality, it comes across differently.
You sort of expect him to know more.
tim pool
I guess that's actually, you know, I'm probably biased.
I mean, I don't think I know everything.
There's a lot I don't, and we bring people on, and culture war especially is that.
But Bill Maher is remarkably ignorant.
I mean, if you're going to invite someone on your show to discuss the merits of some political cause, and then with, like in Dennis Prager's case, laugh at him.
It's like, no, no, no, listen, listen.
Dennis Prager comes on your show and says they're putting tampons in the men's room.
The response, I think, which would be reasonable is, really?
They're really doing that?
I haven't seen that.
Let me look that up.
Yeah, ignorance- Bill Maher's like, no, you're crazy, and now we're all gonna laugh at you.
ian crossland
Ignorance is acceptable, and if you have a smart mind and you can learn, it's actually invigorating to watch someone that's ignorant learn the information and no longer be ignorant.
But ignorance muddled with cynicism is just disgusting.
tim pool
We've invited Bill on this show.
And I can recognize why he can't do it.
He does his own show, and he lives outside of the country.
He came out to D.C.
for a stand-up, so we again invited him on the show, and the response was, he's not sticking around in D.C., but, you know, have a nice day.
I said, okay, no problem, I get it.
So then, we said, what if we go to L.A., or wherever, you know, we go to California, and we will set up for the week and have Bill on either in the morning or at night, his choice, and they said, we're not interested at this time.
Bill Maher, I think, would end up just sitting there being like, what's that?
What's that?
I don't know what that means.
Then Bill would make some argument and I'd say, actually, here, let me Google it for you, show him an article, and he'll go, oh, I didn't know that.
The whole show would be him saying, I didn't know that.
Imagine going to Bill Maher and talking about all the things the Bidens have done.
He'd be like, really?
hannah claire brimelow
No, they didn't.
tim pool
I mean, if Bill Maher actually listened to anyone in this room or...
You know what?
You know what would be really great?
Anyone in the audience right now, I could take a random person and sit them down with
Bill Maher and they probably know more than Bill Maher does.
hannah claire brimelow
Kingsley, you have to call Bill Maher and help him out.
He needs your support.
kingsley wilson
Well, I have to tell you, his viewership is even worse.
So I went to be in the audience of his show when Steve Bannon was on and was just chit-chatting with some of the folks who are, you know, huge Bill Maher fans.
I mean, these are the most, like, dysgenic, uninformed people you will ever see in your entire life.
hannah claire brimelow
So what do they do?
Like, where are these people?
Are they, like, working in offices?
How do they support themselves?
How are they not aware of some of this stuff?
You're not going to know everything about everything, but to be that level of uninformed seems almost impossible to me.
tim pool
All right, I nominate Marshall Mushi in chat to debate Bill Maher, because I'm confident that, additionally, Hypebeast Deleuze would also be able to run circles around Bill Maher.
ian crossland
I think Bill's, he's just a comedian and his fans are like comedy fans.
They're not like politically initiated.
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
It's a very small percentage of the world that understands anything about politics.
tim pool
You're half right.
ian crossland
Like one percent.
tim pool
Bill Maher is a political commentator.
His show, he has a new rules section where he literally talks of culture and politics.
He brings on journalists and writers.
And they talk about politics and culture.
And you know, this is why we had... Bannon came on once and told me that I needed to go on his show.
And he was like, let me reach out to them.
I was like, I don't want to go on that guy's show.
I'll go on someone else's show and I'll be respectful to them, but especially with the panel.
They're all going to be talking garbage and just word diarrhea coming out on the desk.
And it's going to be like, I saw what happened to Dennis Prager.
He was the smartest guy in the room.
He ran circles around him and they all laughed at him.
Bro, if I wanted to go into a room and say things, make people laugh, I can easily just go do like a balloon animal routine at a fairground and get a bunch of people to clap and cheer for balloon animals, if that's what you're looking for.
If you wanna have a serious conversation, it ain't gonna be with people like Bill Maher.
ian crossland
Yeah, I wonder going into a venue where people don't understand what you're talking about and telling the truth and then looking like an idiot like it's exhausting.
It can be very exhausting.
So I understand not wanting to go into that that room of the raucous crowd and try and And he has home field advantage when you're in your own show, right?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, everyone who does the show is going to say, thank you.
And for the most part, I assume.
And his producers are going to be like, you did a great job.
Good question.
ian crossland
And then if the host does like a side eye, then the whole audience is going to do a side eye because they're all cult worshipers.
And then it's like, oh, God, I got to deal with the cult now.
tim pool
I do want to get a couple of these cultural segments in, because we have big news, ladies and gentlemen.
The new Grand Theft Auto 6 trailer has dropped, and fans are concerned it will be woke.
So, uh, for context, we will... Oh, actually, I don't even know if I can... Can I play this?
Official, uh... Like, I'm not concerned about the copyright stuff.
I'm concerned about there's, like, graphic stuff in here.
But we'll play just a little bit for you guys of the GTA 6 trailer, and then we'll talk about the game getting woke.
Alright, here we go.
ian crossland
Let's see.
unidentified
Lucia, do you know why you're here?
Bad luck, I guess.
tim pool
Alright, I'm just gonna say it right away.
The game literally starts off with two women of color in prison.
unidentified
Do you know why you're here?
Bad luck, I guess.
That's basically it.
tim pool
Then it just shows you a bunch of shots.
But there's concerns about the game being woke.
We have this from Sportskeeda that asks the question.
GTA 6 reveal is just around the corner.
It came out just today.
Scheduled for December 5th.
Well, the trailer came out today.
As one of the most anticipated games in history, Paris to release its first trailer, fans have many questions about how it will turn out.
A major question is whether or not the upcoming game will be woke.
Which refers to a heavy focus on political correctness and social justice commentary.
I'm gonna go ahead and pause and say, yes it will be.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, the fact that we're even raising that question, I feel like anything they- anytime they remake something, they just are like, and you know what this needs?
Some genderqueerity and just some more LGBT- like, is this what anyone who plays this game wants?
tim pool
People have already commented when they found out that the main character is going to be a single mom.
They were like, oh boy.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, they've needed more representation in video games.
They've just been crying out for it for years.
kingsley wilson
What I don't understand is why these companies do this, because they know that's not their target audience, that's not what their viewership or usership wants, and they're going to face boycotts, but they continue to do it over and over again anyway.
What's the incentive?
I've never quite understood.
Just purely from a financial point of view, you would think, huh, my users hate when I do this, and they don't buy my game.
I'm going to stop doing this.
ian crossland
Maybe they think the game is so good, the franchise is so good, it's gonna sell no matter what, and they want to indoctrinate and give another perspective on life.
Like, have you ever thought, hey 15 year old boy, have you ever thought what it was like to be a ex-convict, single mother?
Well, you should.
tim pool
Maybe that's good.
I don't know if that's the angle.
I think it's more like two things happen.
Rockstar hires a 24-year-old 10 years ago, and they're working in the mailroom or something.
10 years later, they're in marketing, and they're in their mid-30s.
And they say, okay, so we're going to finally be put... It's been how long?
Longer than 10 years, right?
Since GTA 5 came out?
And they're like, we're going to be launching Grand Theft Auto 6, finally.
The game is done.
I'm sorry, actually, we should go back in time a few years.
They said, we're conceptualizing this game.
What should we do?
And this person said, well, if you want to get people our age, you've got to make it, you know, social justice.
And the character should be a woman.
It should be a woman of color.
It should be all centered around marginalized peoples.
And they were like, really?
Marketing guy comes in and says, look, GTA 5 sold 70% of games to men.
We got teenagers.
We got gifts for kids, but it's almost entirely young males.
How do we double our market?
I'll tell you this.
Take a look at makeup.
The smartest thing the makeup industry did was pay tons of money to dudes who put on makeup.
Because they're like, listen, women wear makeup, it's a guarantee.
But that means sales are 90% to women.
We could double our market overnight if we convince dudes to wear makeup.
So the big makeup companies specifically are like, find me prominent personality men who wear makeup and we're gonna give them a lot of money.
All of a sudden now you have people making makeup channels and they're dudes.
hannah claire brimelow
And they backed drag becoming trendy because not only are drag queens men who put on makeup, but they wear a lot of makeup.
So you're buying a ton of products then.
unidentified
Yep.
kingsley wilson
That's it.
Capitalism.
I feel like women are oftentimes more left-leaning, obviously, but also more permissive of inclusivity.
So I think, you know, you saw with Bud Light such backlash because it was a male-dominated market.
So I'm curious to see, you know, in these male-dominated industries, if they continue to kind of push back against this stuff more so than women did.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like, and it's not my area of expertise, but with video games and comic books and things that I think of as more traditionally masculine spaces, even when there's a little bit of backlash, it's not enough to change the company's mind.
The company just does it anyways.
It's like it doesn't respect the people that are at its core.
It knows ultimately they'll play the game because they want to see it.
tim pool
What's a female space?
Like if male spaces are, you know, like football and video games and sports and stuff like that, what's a female space?
Like movies you could say can go either way, it just depends on the movie.
serge du preez
Salon, spa type?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I was gonna say salon, like beauty industry.
Women are much more socially based and so, you know...
I would think, like traditionally for a long time it was like volunteer organizations were predominantly led by women.
That's a little bit, that's not as true now because we don't really partake in cultural community events.
I think in some ways like online it would be like the lifestyle vlogger, the mommy vlogger, the fashion content.
Things that are more about that you're seeing a crossover of like women Like I see a lot of push for like women's DIY projects women using power tools because it's them fixing up their house But that's ultimately them being in a domestic traditionally female space.
Mm-hmm I don't know if that helps you with your question, but that's where I see women.
I don't know if you see women out and about.
tim pool
People are saying the Saints Row reboot was bad.
Cyberpunk was bad.
I don't know.
You know, maybe.
I mean, there's an element of politics in a lot of these games, but I wonder why they just don't make it so you can, you know, I don't know, design your own character.
Like with Baldur's Gate, we talked about that, Baldur's Gate 3 comes out, and you can literally make your character some kind of freakish abomination.
You can make it like an orcish woman with a beard and just go wild with it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, make some kind of monster.
hannah claire brimelow
That's effectively true in the Sims 2 games, I know there's like a hundred of them now, which I think of as being very popular among women, but they're not as fantasy oriented, they're not as sort of sci-fi.
Also, they don't tend to go on quests, they just sort of live at home and have relationships and then you decorate their house.
It's essentially a virtual dollhouse.
tim pool
I think that, I think what they're thinking with GTA is that... So, the big issue people are pointing out is the main character's female.
It's never been done before.
And I'm not, you know, I agree with some of the counter-critique.
It's just because they make a character that's female that you play does not inherently make the game woke or whatever.
They might be thinking like, well, we've done nothing but dudes.
I mean, maybe we make a female character.
But I'm just...
I, you know, if, you guys have played GTA, right?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
You've never played GTA?
hannah claire brimelow
No, I've never played GTA.
tim pool
You guys, look at this!
kingsley wilson
See, we're not the target audience.
hannah claire brimelow
No, we're not.
tim pool
Why would I want to pick up a game where I'm going to run around opening fire onto random cars, mercilessly beat people in the street, steal things, and there's a whole lot of other really awful things you can do in the game, but do it as a woman.
It's like, okay, in every game, you're a guy, and you can run around and just beat random people, and shoot them, and just do all this crazy shenanigans.
But now it's like you're a woman doing it, okay?
So here's the game.
You're a woman, you run around Miami, you run up to a random guy and swing at him, and then he punches you one time and you're dead and you wake up in the hospital.
hannah claire brimelow
So, okay, with GTA, are you like, trying to accomplish something?
tim pool
So there's a storyline, and then there's missions, and then GTA V is heavily online.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, I feel like the way you're describing it, you would want the strongest character, right?
And it's like this push that we're seeing, you know, with women in combat roles or as police officers.
So there's videos that go viral.
I think there was one this week of, you know, four or so police officers unable to subdue one male.
So I would think that you would want the man to be your character if you're playing this game.
hannah claire brimelow
Unless their storyline is like she's gonna go beat up her ex-boyfriend, who's the reason she's in prison anyways.
tim pool
No, no, look, look, look.
I have played every GTA since the first one on PC, which was a top-down view, and you can barely see your little guy, and you're running around, it's funny.
Then GTA 3 comes out, and it's 3D, and we're all excited.
I have never played the missions.
Never.
The moment I get GTA, I turn it on, and I immediately just walk around, steal a car, crash into buildings, launch in the air, explore the map, and just go totally hog wild.
So, I propose someone mod the game, assuming it comes out for PC, I think it is, and they make it, they can call it Realistic Edition, and you can play as the same woman, and when you run up to a guy and swing at him, it doesn't hurt him, and then he hits you once, you go down, and when you go down, it goes, WASTED.
And then, when you wake up, you're walking out of the hospital, and if you get arrested, you're walking out of the police station.
Same thing.
The woman swings at a guy, hits him, nothing happens, he punches one time, and then, you go down.
That'll be the game.
hannah claire brimelow
It'd be more interesting.
It would be much more realistic.
Yeah.
Because then you'd have to figure out how to live in this weird, brutal society that you're in as a woman and if you're a male player.
tim pool
Well, don't commit crimes.
hannah claire brimelow
But the thing, like, if you're a male player, you're maybe used to having these strong guys who beat people up, you know, go to hospitals often.
And if you had to play as a female character, like, maybe it makes it more challenging because you're not as Good at fighting or whatever.
It would change the purpose of the game.
Like, maybe you would spend more time scaling buildings and doing something else.
And then that's one of the reasons that I think video games that are targeted towards men and women are slightly different.
They are drawn towards different activities.
Their brains are rewarded by different behaviors.
So, it doesn't sound interesting to me to walk around and beat up, you know, ladies of the night in GTA, but... Oh, it's crazier than that.
tim pool
I mean, it's nuts.
But, sir, do you remember San Andreas?
serge du preez
Uh, yes I do.
tim pool
That was the one where your guy could get fat, right?
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
I hope they do that.
serge du preez
At the fast food place?
tim pool
Yeah, that's right.
In GTA San Andreas, you could go to the gym and start working out and your guy would get ripped, or you'd go to the fast food place and just keep eating burgers and he would get fatter and fatter.
hannah claire brimelow
This is a good life lesson!
These are great video games.
tim pool
Okay, but I gotta tell you.
If they do that in GTA 6, it will be the best game ever.
Because I will take that lady, and I will SLAM burgers until she is MASSIVE, and then have her just, like, bounce around Miami.
hannah claire brimelow
Then she could roll people over.
Maybe she would have more ways to defend herself.
tim pool
I don't know if the game would allow anything like that, but just, like, playing as having this morbidly obese woman trying to get into cars, and just, like, Yeah, it'd be- She's just a tank, just so heavy.
serge du preez
Just every hit is a haymaker to everybody she encounters.
Man, I can see that, that'd be fun.
hannah claire brimelow
But she gets tired really quickly.
serge du preez
Oh, yeah, yeah.
That agility, definitely.
The agility perk, for sure, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, let's, uh... I think I kinda wanna- I wanna grab one more story we got here.
This is, uh, ladies and gentlemen... The Marvels sets a new record for lowest grossing MCU movie ever.
The Marvels managed to do worse than the Incredible Hulk A 2008 movie that grossed just $260 million after its run in the movie theaters.
So, uh... Wow.
You know, I know a lot of people probably don't care, but I just want to point out this is like the end of an era for Disney.
Disney is spiraling into the gutter.
The Marvels with their, well let me show you the characters.
Look, we got, um, look at this, you know what this looks like?
This looks like your late 90s, like, fast food restaurant ad where you've got, and I mean it, look, you've got a white woman, a black woman, and an ethnically ambiguous woman.
And I don't mean it to be a dick, but when they, they would always show these like cartoon characters in these commercials like McDonald's or whatever.
And you're like, that's a white woman, that's a black woman, and that woman could be Asian, Middle Eastern, she could be Arabic, she could be Latino, like, we don't know for sure.
And that was the point.
They're trying to show this, you know, like, look at all of these people of different backgrounds.
And they did, and get this, they say, after being released about a month ago, The film, which notably features Brie Larson, managed to gross only $80 million in North America, and $197 million globally.
The Hulk is widely considered to be one of the worst films they've ever done, and now they've made a movie that did even worse.
This is good news, and I bring you this story today to, uh, tell you to keep your head up.
Because the culture war is, um, well, we're winning it.
And Disney stated to their investors that they screwed up royally, and this is such a tremendous nuclear bomb of a failure for a movie, that, uh, you know?
I think we're, I think we're gonna win this one.
ian crossland
Did you see it?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Why would I go see it?
ian crossland
I have no interest.
hannah claire brimelow
Is that sad for Marvel fans?
Like, if you love the Marvel series, is it hard to see it kind of go up in flames like this?
tim pool
Infinity War was the end.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
By the time they made Iron Man 3, I was like, why?
What are they doing, man?
I was a huge Marvel fan in the 90s and in the early 2000s, but really the mid-90s.
No, I like Iron Man 3.
Iron Man 3 was just like they were just I could just feel like they were capitalizing on it at that point.
I mean obviously they were when Disney bought Marvel.
tim pool
But Iron Man 3 was like what was like 2013 or something?
ian crossland
Yeah, thereabouts.
That was when I was fully like, it's gone.
tim pool
It was like a sixth movie or something like that.
ian crossland
That's when I realized that they were just in it for the money.
They didn't care about Marvel and the heroes themselves and the journey of the characters.
unidentified
No, no, no.
ian crossland
They just wanted to make a bunch of money off it.
tim pool
Dude, Thor 4, right?
There's a fourth Thor already, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Why did there need to be four of them ever, though?
tim pool
And they're making more!
And more Spider-Mans!
ian crossland
You wanna, like, look, you do a trilogy- Episodes of issues of comic books, I guess, they make movies.
tim pool
They did Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor, and I'm like, makes sense.
Then they did sequels, and they made them to trilogies.
Then they did Doctor Strange, and I'm like, all is fine.
Guardians of the Galaxy was interesting to me, because I was like, really?
They think that franchise is gonna do really well?
And it didn't, it was awesome.
And the way they did the music and everything was absolutely incredible.
And then we end up with Avengers Infinity War.
And that was like, wow, that was a big setup.
It was a masterfully done movie.
It was three movies spiraled around each other with the villain as the protagonist.
It was incredible.
And then Infinity War, I'm sorry, Endgame was kind of wonky nostalgia.
Welcome to the end, have a nice day.
And after that, it's just been a bunch of garbled Disney nonsense.
ian crossland
Yeah, they like the Infinity Gauntlet was I think Marvel's one of their best.
I have it here.
I have all six issues of it on my desk.
I carry it.
I carry it around with me.
It inspired me as a kid, but like they changed that they made it about the spectacle that they do just too much about the spectacle too much about colors and big explosions and flying around and less about the storylines and the characters themselves.
Which is what made Marvel so great was like the interpersonal relationships between the characters and the X-Men, for instance, that Wolverine was in love with Cyclops's wife and they had like a special relationship, the two of them.
And then the movies come out and it's just, I don't know, stop motion and weird effects and crap.
tim pool
Bob Iger, who is complaining about Elon, says the Marvels was shot during COVID.
There wasn't as much supervision on the set, so to speak, where we have executives that are really looking over what's being done day after day after day.
He argued that prior records a studio set in the billions of dollars have put expectations out of whack.
We got to the point where if a film didn't do a billion dollars in a little box office, we were a disappointment.
That's an unbelievably high standard, and I think we have to get more realistic.
Yeah.
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 fared well over the summer, grossing 845 million dollars in the box office, and I definitely went to go see that.
It was certainly not as good as... Guardians 1 is awesome.
And it's mostly the soundtrack.
And then they did with two, they tried, you know, aging some of the music.
I think, I don't think the soundtrack was as good in the third one, but I'll go see those movies.
The Marvel is garbage.
It's woke garbage.
It's girl power diversity nonsense that I'm not interested in watching.
The first Marvel, Captain Marvel, was so bad.
It's just, they tried making a female, a feminist hero's journey, where it's like, it's the men that are holding you down.
The power was inside of you the whole time, but the men were holding you back.
That's the premise of the film.
And I'm just like, that is the worst thing I've ever seen.
And then they tried to make another one.
I'm not going to go see it.
kingsley wilson
People are tired of it.
I feel like there's just, since we've gone from, you know, a merit-based system, there's been a decline across all industries.
We're no longer hiring, you know, the best writer that can produce the best script.
We're hiring someone because they subscribe to this woke dogma, this belief system, or because they check an affirmative action box.
And I think you're going to continue to see just massive flops like this in every industry if you do that, and especially art and entertainment.
tim pool
Yeah, see, look, Robert Downey Jr.
is a legend, and they made him Iron Man, and he nailed it, and Brie Larson was a diversity cast, and she does not have the talent, nor the capabilities, nor the right build to play Captain Marvel in the first place.
ian crossland
It's a guy!
Captain Marvel was a guy in the 70s.
It's supposed to be a man.
Why did they cast a woman as Marvel?
tim pool
Okay, okay, look, look, look, look.
No, but the real issue is that there is a female Captain Marvel, they changed it in the comics, the story progressed, and they wanted to make the female version.
Okay, getting a dainty, how tall is Brie?
5'6 and she weighs 100 pounds soaking wet?
I'm like, that right there is bad casting.
But what they wanted to do was they were like, the time of men is over!
They wanted to make a Marvel lead.
I think Brie Larson was the knife in the chest of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Because they were like, Robert Downey Jr., he's gonna be out, it's been 10 years.
We're gonna need someone to come in and take the lead role in this franchise.
And they chose Brie Larson.
Who I think has talent, but certainly not for this role.
They said, just get us a woman.
They chose Brie.
It was the worst casting decision ever made.
She's 100 pounds soaking wet and 5'6 or whatever.
Maybe she's 5'7.
hannah claire brimelow
She's 5'7.
tim pool
5'7, there you go.
I was off by an inch.
Are you kidding me?
I said this, Robin Wright would have been way better for Captain Marvel.
Way better.
She's an older, more mature, and she's already shown that she can play these roles.
This was a huge screw up.
But if you look at the Marvels itself, I mean, come on, they're only doubling down on the diversity narrative.
hannah claire brimelow
It seems weird.
And on top of that, it's not relatable.
Like, if you want to have a female Captain Marvel, okay, I'll grant you that.
Maybe you want to shake it up, the comics change, but the storyline should also appeal to women.
And I don't think feminism actually appeals to women.
So if you write a feminist story, not only is maybe this actress who's talented in other contexts but poorly cast here, That's already a challenge to overcome, and then you have this narrative of like, and then men are your enemies, which I don't think that's how a lot of women feel, and so it's just making nothing relatable.
Women don't see themselves in the lead actress, they don't see how she's carrying out this role, and they don't like the storyline.
tim pool
Well, she did well in Scott Pilgrim when she played a snooty bitch.
hannah claire brimelow
Like I said, she's talented in some places, she could be well cast elsewhere, but instead, was she just trendy at the time?
They were like, we gotta get Brie Larson, nevermind what this is actually supposed to be doing.
tim pool
What they thought with a lot of these castings were like, we'll get someone who's up and coming and make them big because our movies are so popular, we don't gotta pay a premium for them.
Like the thing about Robert Downey Jr., I'm pretty sure it was with Iron Man, they were like, They didn't want to cast him because they were like, your history and drug abuse, we're not interested.
And then it was like something happened where it was really hard, but they agreed to give him the role and then he nailed it.
hannah claire brimelow
And then it relaunched him in a lot of ways, right?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And then what they did with a lot of the casting decisions for Marvel movies was no names.
Like, smaller actors who looked like they were on the up-and-coming, and Brie Larson was the failure.
And they needed someone to carry the torch for Robert Downey Jr., and they chose the worst person, and the franchise has fizzled and just crumbled, and they've destroyed everything from underneath them.
So, uh, Get Woke, Go Broke.
They've admitted Get Woke, Go Broke.
We have been warning them of Get Woke, Go Broke, and it feels really, really good to watch them Get Woke and Go Broke.
ian crossland
When I look at these movies and I don't, honestly, I don't go watch them.
I'll see like ads and stuff.
I see Mark Ruffalo and what's his name from Clueless, who I love.
He's great.
Paul Rudd and like Scarlett Johansson and they all look like, Paul Rudd a little bit, not so much, but they all look like they have this fake like intensity.
It's like we're super rich and we're on a Hollywood movie set right now.
Look at how intense we are.
I just, that's the vibe I get.
None of that is like, I'm never afraid for the characters.
I'm never worried that They're not gonna just dominate their surroundings.
Even if they get hit, I know they're superheroes and they're gonna get back up.
Even if they bleed, they're gonna be fine.
And that's just, it's totally lacking.
The whole, you know, Superman losing his powers is one of the greatest things about Superman.
That he has a vulnerability.
And I don't get that with this new crap.
tim pool
Wasn't, I think that came about because the voice actor for the cartoon or something was going on vacation?
ian crossland
For which one?
What cartoon?
tim pool
I could be wrong about this.
I read somewhere that Superman originally did not have a weakness, but the voice actor wanted to go on vacation, so they were like, Superman was made ill by kryptonite, so he's out.
ian crossland
That's funny.
tim pool
Yeah, something like that.
That was like a radio show.
Is that what it was?
ian crossland
That's the real life, you know?
Everybody's got a weakness.
tim pool
I don't know if it was a radio show or a TV show or something.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I just read something on the internet.
That means it's true, so.
hannah claire brimelow
That is how the internet works.
tim pool
It wasn't NewsGuard certified, so I could be completely wrong about this one.
hannah claire brimelow
An AI bot wrote it.
ESPN posted it.
tim pool
Oh, man.
We are so close to AI reality, man.
People are just gonna be like, plug me in, I'm done.
What was it?
Elon Musk saying artificial general intelligence is three years away.
That's the point at which you can just put on a VR headset and say, I wanna play a video game where I fight dragons.
And then, the world just forms all around you, and you're fighting dragons.
ian crossland
We gotta get the movement done.
We've got the treadmill downstairs, but it's still a little tight.
tim pool
Have you tried it?
No, that was the feedback that I've heard so far, is it's a little hard to... Because you're in a harness, and you're like, not really walking.
ian crossland
Yeah, and you can't get those long gates for long running yet.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's not... Look, you're just gonna hook your brain up to it, and you're gonna go full-on brain... Oh, you're gonna think you're running in your brain?
Yeah, you're gonna go full-on brain in a vat.
That's the future of AI.
Once we get artificial general intelligence, the AI will just literally create the schematics for human-computer brain interfaces.
It will literally just be like, boom, here you go.
hannah claire brimelow
It's gonna be weird, because you're gonna have a section of people who just flee the woods.
There are people who, like, are interested in technology and will want to engage with it, and then there will be other people who are like, I am out, we're going off the grid, pack up the water, let's get out of here.
tim pool
No, I don't think the... I mean...
hannah claire brimelow
I'm going to have a whole mountain community that the AI can't find.
tim pool
They're not going to flee to the woods.
The AI is not going to kill you.
It's going to give you everything you've ever wanted.
There's going to be people who just don't.
I think people in cities are going to be completely removed from the question.
One by one, your neighbors will stop answering their phones.
Your friends will stop answering their phones.
Slowly, over time, you'll have drinks on Friday night after work, and then someone doesn't show up, and you hit them up, and you're like, nah, I'm gonna stay in tonight.
One by one, your friends stop showing up to the bar until it's just you sitting there and being like, yo, where is everybody?
And they're all plugged into their own micro-universes where they get to be God.
ian crossland
They're all having drinks at the bar in the metaverse.
You'll be the last one to realize.
tim pool
No, they're not going to be playing games with each other, dude.
Some dude you know is going to be like, sorry, I'm busy.
And he's going to be in Skyrim fighting dragons.
Another guy is going to be in a special forces unit.
It's Call of Duty-esque.
Then the women are going to be playing Fifty Shades of Grey.
In fact, probably they're all just in porn.
They're all just doing some weird, crazy combination of everything where they're fighting dragons and porn at the same time.
It's just it's going to be garbled nonsense.
It makes no sense.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think that's true.
I think I think that what's addictive about the internet is it can give you anything you want.
But at the same time, it's going to lie to you.
And it ultimately wants something from you.
Like I said before, I think AI is all about just making you addicted and making you engage with it because it needs you in some ways to survive.
Because it wants your data, it wants to study you.
tim pool
I think the issue is reduced consumption.
So, for all the Malthusians out there who think there's too many people, the solution is really simple, and I think it was, what, Yuval Noah Harari?
That's his name, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, he said, give the, you know, I'll translate what he said, give the plebs video games to keep them occupied and reduce consumption.
There's a general idea.
Somebody who's normally going out and drinking at a bar, they're consuming.
This mass consumption over large populations creates lots of pollution.
I tell you what, lock them in a room of their own choice, plug them into the computer that gives them everything they wanted, and they will slowly fade away and cease to exist.
ian crossland
They'll eat less.
tim pool
That's right, the useless eaters.
Alright, we gotta go to Super Chats, we're late.
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, head over to TimCast.com, click join us, the members only uncensored show will be coming up in about 20 minutes and that should be fun.
We got some stories for you that will, that are probably gonna make you angry, but we'll read them.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Kilted Carnivore with the first Super Chat.
We started the Super Chat, uh, we scheduled the stream a little later than normal, so that means our normal first Super Chat was missed.
He says, great show Friday.
Album has been on repeat.
Shout out to The Defiant.
Their album, I believe, reached number 14 last time I checked.
hannah claire brimelow
That's crazy.
tim pool
Everybody was buying it.
hannah claire brimelow
They were like 34, they just kept climbing.
That's like because of the TimCast fans.
tim pool
I think that, I don't know where, I think it was iTunes, right?
ian crossland
I think it was iTunes.
I saw 24, so you said it was up to 14.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was up to 14.
ian crossland
Pete Pirata was tracking it on X for a little while.
tim pool
Yeah, so if you guys want to support defiant individuals who said no to mandates and no to lockdowns and for this were punished, then you want to buy the Defiance new album, wherever you can.
I believe all the songs are basically about This, what's been happening over the past few years.
And I love the song that they have called, It Is Over, where, you know, they have the line where it's like, we can't stay here.
You made it clear.
And it's time to say, I think it's time to say goodbye or goodnight.
But it's funny because it's very obvious what the song's about.
These guys were like, I don't understand why you're telling me I have to get vaccinated.
Like, you know, especially Pete Parata, whose doctor says don't.
And they said, get the F out.
We don't care.
So it's time to leave.
That's it.
ian crossland
That's a great song.
hannah claire brimelow
I know it's cool they were your first, like, Tim Cass Trash House live music night.
Like, they're cool people, and they have cool music to back that up.
tim pool
Well, I will also add, the studio that we have designed is for, like, two people to play an acoustic guitar, and to do, like, acoustic sessions.
hannah claire brimelow
The Divine said, we're bringing the whole band.
tim pool
Yeah, they wanted to play a whole band, and I was like, alright!
I mean, it's really hard for us to pull off, but I was happy with it, you know?
So, congratulations to them and their album sales.
But we're working on... We've got a song coming out in 11 days.
And, uh...
What did I say about it already?
Did I mention?
I'm just gonna say it now anyway.
We've got guest appearances by Smokey Mike and the God King.
I think I may have just given away too much.
hannah claire brimelow
Our favorite vintage band.
ian crossland
They'll be in the video.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think maybe.
But, uh, so this is gonna be awesome.
I mean, I probably should hype it up a little bit, but I'll give up more and more information as we get closer to launch day, which I believe is the 15th.
But, uh, yeah, Smokey Mike and the God... That's Michael Knowles and Jeremy Boring are gonna be in the video.
And, uh, yeah.
That's coming out in a week and a half.
Very fun.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you guys gonna perform live?
Is that Friday?
tim pool
Is it a week and a half?
No, it's two weeks, isn't it?
It's 11 days.
hannah claire brimelow
It's a week after next?
tim pool
Yeah, it's 11 days.
hannah claire brimelow
So not this Friday, but the Friday after?
tim pool
Yep.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you guys going to be a live band that night?
tim pool
Nope!
hannah claire brimelow
What?
tim pool
No, I'm not doing that.
I mean, I guess I could play music, but I would just play some songs or whatever.
We could for fun.
We should probably also just book some musicians, have them come jam and play music.
ian crossland
Saw a video of that house exploding.
Did you see that video?
tim pool
Yeah, it's crazy, right?
That is wild, man.
Maybe we'll look into it.
We'll talk about it on the Members Only a little bit.
ian crossland
But yes, we should play live music that night.
That sounds great.
Just had a great feeling, Friday night live music.
I think the audience loves it too.
tim pool
Yeah, I just don't want it to be just us jamming all the time, right?
Yeah, it's gotta be good.
We want to book bands.
And for The Defiant, it was, you know, we were having Dickie Barrett and Pete Parata on to discuss these issues that were around what happened.
But I think we might actually, just in the future, have a guest and a musical guest, just like a separate musical guest if they don't want to, you know, hang out for the conversation.
Or maybe we just, you know, we just do shows like normal.
hannah claire brimelow
Kingsley, do you have a band?
Do you want to be live?
kingsley wilson
I don't, but I'd love to come.
Sounds fun.
tim pool
You know what I was thinking we've got to do?
We've got to do a supergroup because Ben Shapiro plays violin, Jack Masovic plays bass, James O'Keefe DJs.
And so I was like, we have the makings of just being able to do a supergroup song.
Maybe that's what we need to do.
If we got every single, if we got everybody onto one track, Like we start, here's the idea, we can produce it, Carter Banks can start the production, and then we'll send out samples and request all of these different personalities to contribute.
Then we can force, we can have, if everybody promotes the song, we'll hit Billboard.
We'll hit the Hot 100.
hannah claire brimelow
Be super cool.
tim pool
Everybody gets a platinum record.
ian crossland
It's gotta be good.
They did that We Are The World thing, and they just got like Bob Dylan to sing, and he looks so, it looks so annoyed.
tim pool
No, I'm talking more like, you know, traveling Wilburys or something.
ian crossland
Yeah, if it's good.
But the weird thing about musicians is you might have like five phenomenal musicians, but if they have no chemistry with each other, then the music they make together has no chemistry.
Or very little chemistry.
So, interesting phenomenon.
Like, being good doesn't mean... Same with football.
You get the best superstars and you put them all on one team, all those egos end up destroying their camaraderie and they can't win a game.
tim pool
Alright, let's read some more.
We got Fix Bayonet saying, Howdy!
Is everyone ready to defend ExxonMobil by invading Venezuela?
What is that?
Is that the plan?
I have no idea.
Alright, Jacob Paradis says Leo was a great movie.
It was wholesome and funny.
Y'all should see it.
It teaches Hollywood how movies should be made with no political messaging.
You know, this is what I've heard about lady ballers.
I've heard a range of opinions on it, and I've heard some people say it's like the funniest thing they've ever seen.
They're like, oh, it was so good.
And I'm like, I bet that person's very, very conservative.
Like, staunch Christian conservative.
Because the thing I've heard from more of the disaffected liberal types is like, oh, it was pretty funny, but they put those political messages in there that were pretty heavy.
And I'm like, ah, okay, so you're not a conservative.
hannah claire brimelow
Also, you know what it's like for us when we watch your movies.
tim pool
No, but I'm not talking about woke people.
The woke people are protesting it.
It was hilarious when Tyler Fisher was saying that, he mentioned this on the Culture War podcast, that they brought in a bunch of extras to the arena where they were playing basketball, and none of the extras knew what the movie was, but once they found out, someone started protesting.
An extra was protesting.
I'm like, that is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.
But I guess everybody says it was pretty funny.
It's just the only critique I've heard is the people who are like disaffected liberals who are sick of wokeness are like, ah, yeah, it was preachy.
And then the conservatives are like, it was the best!
And I'm like, because you like hearing that message, you know what I mean?
kingsley wilson
Right.
I feel like traditional media succeeds in pushing the message it wants to push if it's subtle, right?
Even Ben Shapiro talked about this in his early days.
You talk about friends and how you fell in love with the characters and then you didn't really care that Rachel and Ross had a kid out of wedlock because you loved Rachel and Ross so much and it was fine that they were doing all these things.
So I feel like that subtle messaging is actually how you change people's minds and opinions and worldviews, not the in-your-face conservative gag line necessarily.
tim pool
Yeah.
Let's grab some more.
We got Cyrus says, I just added my business, Galaxy Paintball, to Public Square.
I create the most unique and high quality headbands in the world, made in Kansas.
Thank you, Tim, for providing the people with the goings on.
Thank you for the super chat.
And shout out to Public Square.
It is amazing to see their tremendous success.
Super awesome to hear it.
hannah claire brimelow
This is a good time of year to go to Public Square, too, because, like, I'm sure everyone is Christmas shopping.
tim pool
Oh, dude, buy all your Christmas presents off Public Square.
Go to Public Square, download the app, and that's where you want to buy all your presents, because then what happens is you got some, like, liberal aunt or whatever.
Maybe you're doing Secret Santa with all your family members, and you got the liberal aunt or cousin or something, and then you get chosen to buy them a present, and you get them a really good present.
Maybe it's, like, a basket of soaps from, you know, from Lauren Chen or something like that.
And they're going to be like, wow, this is really good.
And they like it.
And then they buy it again later.
They look it up and they're like, I want to keep buying from this.
And then you'll get these people to start supporting businesses that, you know, they don't care, but you do.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
So help out the businesses that share your values, you know.
hannah claire brimelow
I think Publixware's good, too, because they have a lot of small businesses or up-and-coming businesses, so it's a good way to get in contact with businesses that are small and that believe in the things that you believe in.
kingsley wilson
I feel like it's just better quality products, too, because they're not mass-produced.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Definitely.
Lilian says, would you kindly go to Land of Biltong and get all your Biltong needs?
Free shipping with code STIX.
Mild to spicy, all types of meat, too.
No, we got a signature Biltong coming, right, Serge?
serge du preez
That is correct.
I spoke to him yesterday.
We'll get it all sorted out this week.
tim pool
How much are we buying?
It's like one whole cow or something?
serge du preez
I don't know.
He might do that.
If we asked him to, I'm sure he would do it.
tim pool
Oh, I assumed it was like one cow, please.
serge du preez
I'll ask him.
tim pool
So for those that don't know, biltong is South African style dried meat.
And one day Serge had this bag of it and he was eating it.
And now we have a bunch of it all over the place.
We're trying to find good brands.
Actually, we have this Righteous Felon.
It's pretty good.
But the stuff that Serge had was way better.
Nothing that I've ordered off the internet has come close to what that... But it's like your friend made it.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's just homemade.
If you can find something that's South African that'll make it for you, that's probably the best bet.
tim pool
It's better than jerky because jerky is really dry and hard, and biltong is... it's just moister, I guess.
Yeah, definitely.
It's good.
And then what's the other stuff?
serge du preez
Other stuff is drubos.
Anyone that's Afrikaans probably knows what I'm talking about.
It means dry sausage, literally.
tim pool
Insanely fatty.
serge du preez
Yeah, it is.
unidentified
It is quite.
tim pool
It's good.
It's good stuff.
What do we got?
Kevin Brady says, Tim, you mean LifeLog is functioning as intended?
I'm shocked.
Yeah, that's... What was that?
CIA's program before Facebook?
They wanted to create a database of everyone's life or something like that?
Yep.
hannah claire brimelow
That doesn't sound terrifying at all.
tim pool
Barely a Millennial says, Walmart headlines are misleading.
They haven't advertised on X since October and nothing to do with Elon.
I bet Target would love a Walmart boycott.
Yeah, that's basically what we were saying.
All these publications are just trying to make it seem like Walmart is boycotting Elon Musk.
However, I do believe October is when the initial controversies were starting with Elon.
That's why I'm like, I wouldn't be surprised, man.
Come on.
Walmart gets no special love from me.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, but Walmart also benefited from the Target boycott, right?
When people turned against Target, they shifted the way they present their stores.
They said, ah, yes, we see what's happening, and we're going to try to capture you guys.
So even if the boycott ends, you'll still end up liking shopping here more.
tim pool
Colin Stevens says, Tim, please remind chat that there are three days left on the ATF public comment period for them to regulate private sales.
Go read the comments.
unidentified
Bots?
tim pool
Bots?
Is that what you're saying?
I don't understand.
Oh, you're saying there's bots in the comments.
I wouldn't be surprised, man.
But I don't think it matters.
We are winning the 2A battle so beautifully.
More than half the country is a permitless carry in some fashion, mostly constitutional carry, but I think Florida is a permitless conceal carry only.
It's fine, I guess.
I mean, I've talked to a lot of people about it, it's interesting.
Some say conceal is better, some say open carry is better, because I've had people say they want to make sure everybody knows they're armed so that there's just never a fight.
Because if you're caring concealed, a criminal might think you're not caring, and then actually draw on you, and then you get into a fight.
Whereas if you're open caring, they're just gonna walk away from you and not get into a fight at all.
Or, or, I mean there's pros and cons.
Or you're somewhere and they say you're the first target, you never know.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
I think the target's up to you.
James Gold says, I see comments on movie ads that are all, quote, what a great movie, and that has to be bots, or copypasta is strong.
Yes, I mean copypasta.
Oh, none of that's real, dude.
Come on.
Who comments, who comments on a movie review and says, great movie?
serge du preez
I've always wondered that.
tim pool
Some people maybe, but nah, come on.
It's just, nah.
serge du preez
It's just gotta be scripts.
It's gotta be bots.
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Someone is like, I worked really hard on that comment.
tim pool
Josh Burks says I wanted to start a channel where I'd put things in the microwave to see what would happen.
Then I realized the cost to get new microwaves would be crazy.
It was clearly a good business model because that's one of Mr. Beast's first videos.
Yeah, we built a microwave gun.
We didn't, it was actually, well, I'll put it this way.
It could have been a real microwave gun, but we actually kept one part of it so it never functioned.
And it was just a gag.
But, uh, yeah, they have videos on YouTube where people make microwave guns.
And what it basically does is just like a magnetron on a 2x4 and it directs microwaves at things.
You can light up fluorescent lights or whatever.
But, uh, definitely don't try that at home.
Unless you are a professional or have assistants of professionals, because that stuff can be dangerous.
Metra Crow says, this super chat isn't real.
Well, okay.
Get a pair with Solis's Ian.
FDR didn't leave the gold standard.
He used the feds to raid homes and steal gold from Americans.
He openly advocated for fascist socialist economics.
Fascism is nationalist syndicalism, not corporate mercantilism.
ian crossland
That's interesting.
What if the corporate mercantilists are in cahoots with the government?
tim pool
What if the business plot was actually guys being like, yo, this dude's going nuts and raiding people's homes and stealing their gold.
Smedley, help us.
And Smedley smiled and went, no.
ian crossland
Yeah, Smedley hated, did not like FDR.
He was outspoken against him.
But he also was like, I want to, I want to maintain my ability to vote.
That's what Smedley said.
unidentified
So I'm not going to become a fascist dictator.
ian crossland
Perhaps.
But yeah, I do think, I see like what you're saying, that those bankers maybe weren't totally wrong in what they wanted, like not the overthrow part, but the... Well, you never know what part of history is propaganda, right?
tim pool
That's why I want to do that, I want to make those short films.
Okay, we got a few job announcements, I guess.
We want to do the short films where it's a movies from the perspective of the other side as if it was propaganda.
Like Star Wars is, you know, a bunch of religious fanatics from a desert planet take a cargo ship and go blow up a military base.
Darth Vader is a disabled war veteran and ranking official in the military.
Untold millions of civilians are killed in a Death Star explosion.
All that stuff.
And make short films like that.
We are also, um...
Looking for showrunner and producer and comedian and so it's just it's just we need we need like production manager level we need like project management high level stuff so I think the first thing we're looking for is probably resumes from people with Experience working in show production, and I mean like legit full-on shows, and then from there we have to sort of whittle down to figure out who can actually work on the projects we're trying to do to get like short films and skits and other stuff up.
So we gotta figure that one out.
I don't know.
Do we have an email for that?
Do we have like jobs at TimCast.com or something?
hannah claire brimelow
I think so.
tim pool
Should probably figure that out.
hannah claire brimelow
Possibly we do.
Maybe you guys can try it out and let us know.
tim pool
Right, and then probably what we're gonna do is, then we're gonna ask for, like, samples and demos, and then the ones we like, we'll ask to come and contract and produce some short films and some skits and some bits, and then if it works out, then full-time hiring or something.
That's the plan.
hannah claire brimelow
Be cool.
tim pool
So, we're looking for people who can manage teams, run a show, have creative vision, are funny, and, yeah.
unidentified
That's what we're looking for.
tim pool
We got a great film team though.
Like our crew, Wesley and Aaron, they're really, really good.
And Kent as well.
So the music video that we're putting out in 11 days is so far looking absolutely hilarious and incredible.
I'm really excited for this.
I hope everyone's ready.
I have to say this, I have to say this.
This song that we're putting out, it's probably the greatest song ever written.
And I just have to say that.
And I believe once the song comes out, everyone will understand what I mean.
But I believe the song that we are putting out It's a cover.
It's a cover.
It's a modern cover.
And it is the greatest song ever written.
And that's not in dispute.
serge du preez
They're gonna figure it out.
tim pool
They're gonna figure it out, man.
I'm warning you.
Good!
Good.
Let them figure it out.
Let them figure it out.
It'll be funny.
They still have to watch the video because they can't figure that out.
But it is the greatest song.
The greatest.
Alright, where are we at?
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, did yous notice he didn't say Marines?
We recruit.
Ah, interesting.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, Marines consistently make their recruitment goals, and so does SpaceX.
But I think that's, again, because there is more to it than just your rank and file and your putting on a uniform.
The Marines have a culture, and especially, you know, Space Force is people who are interested in space.
There's something else there.
We should ask questions about the motivation and culture.
We shouldn't just make it be like, oh, well, we don't have a body, so we'll just take a body that's here illegally and put them in.
kingsley wilson
Nobody's figuring it out.
I bet we'll also have to lower the vetting standards, right?
Because we have no idea who these people are.
They're not being vetted when they come across the border.
I'm sure a lot of these people are from terror hotspots that would raise a red flag going through a normal military vetting process.
I'm sure they're just going to have to lower the standards if they want to actually let these people in.
tim pool
Everybody keeps saying Tribute by Tenacious D. That is incorrect.
We are not putting... Tribute to the greatest song in the world.
We are not putting... Yeah, exactly.
And I think the reality is Tribute was probably about the song that we're putting out.
unidentified
Yeah, that's right.
serge du preez
Yeah, I mean, you talked about it on Friday, so if you guys are watching on Friday, you know, so... Alright!
tim pool
We have, uh, Lars Joey says, Watch Bill Maher's comedy before his talk shows.
His commentary was absolutely on point.
Makes his fall into ignorance even more stunning.
Sad reality.
But there you go.
That's just the way it is, man.
ian crossland
Dude, how does he not know who Klaus Schwab is?
That is so crazy.
tim pool
Cause he doesn't read?
ian crossland
Still.
Look, look, look, look.
tim pool
We're like a W-E-F.
kingsley wilson
Ian, Ian.
tim pool
What the heck?
Ian.
If you had $30 million in cash, would you really care anymore?
Yes!
Bill Maher is, what, 60-something years old?
How old is the guy?
ian crossland
Yeah, something like that, probably.
tim pool
He's probably just like, I'm tired, man.
And then HBO's like, Bill, look, we're gonna pay you another, you know, $10 million this year.
And he's like, eh, whatever.
And then he probably barely pays attention.
ian crossland
He's just a goofball.
Just a goofball comedian.
tim pool
He's just checked out.
He's checked out.
And I don't blame him.
I mean, he's smoking cigars and drinking whiskey.
He's single.
He's got no kids.
ian crossland
Yeah, most comedians don't even... Weird existence.
tim pool
Yeah, what does he do?
hannah claire brimelow
He's just, like, super wealthy and not curious about anything and has no children.
unidentified
What does he do?
ian crossland
He's curious because he interviews really high-powered politicians, even.
He interviewed R.F.K.
hannah claire brimelow
He's curious, though.
Like, he could have a booker who's like, you should talk to this guy.
He's like, what do they do?
Who's M.K.Ultra?
ian crossland
He is curious, I'll give him that.
If you listen to him.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't watch his stuff, so I should.
Again, I'm being kind of hard on him.
ian crossland
He definitely likes to dive in on ideas.
tim pool
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We got a bunch of... I put up a skate clip today.
So as we're gearing up to launch the boonies, Which is our new skate show.
We are investing, I think, probably close to, probably more than a, yeah, I think it's fair to say over a million dollars in our semi-private East Coast skate facility.
We've got several pro skateboarders coming out.
We're going to be inviting other professional athletes in the action sports area.
Probably one of the biggest investments into action sports content right now.
So follow me on Instagram at Timcast if you want to see some of those clips.
And Kingsley, do you want to shout anything out?
kingsley wilson
Yeah, please follow me.
I'm Kingsley Wilson on all of the platforms.
And then also follow my organization, Center for a Newing America.
We put out a lot of great work on what's going on on Capitol Hill.
hannah claire brimelow
It's been so fun having you here.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for scnr.com, also known as Scanner News.
I'm really grateful for our team and everyone who works on that.
Tons of journalism.
You guys should check it out.
You can follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram still to see Scanner's work.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at HannahClaire.B and I'm on Twitter at HCBrimlow.
I think you should probably follow Trash House Records if you want some updates on the music.
And yeah, guys, thank you guys so much.
ian crossland
Subscribe to me on YouTube at Ian Crossland, everywhere else at Ian Crossland.
I'll be doing some cool interviews this week and more weeks going forward.
So keep in touch.
I'll see you there tomorrow.
serge du preez
Pleasure to have you again, Kingsley.
Appreciate your time.
And I just had a good time, had a good show.
Hope you guys enjoyed it.
See you guys next time.
tim pool
We're gonna pull up that exploding house for the Members Only show, so come check it out.
Yeah, it looks like the police were trying to break in or something, but we'll pull that one up.
We'll see you all over at TimCast.com in a couple minutes.
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