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Timcast IRL - Press Launches COORDINATED Assault On Elon Musk After NUCLEAR Lawsuit w/Angel Studios
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Elon Musk files his lawsuit against Media Matters, an organization that seeks to simply lie about and destroy people's private businesses because they disagree politically.
And then Truth Social filed a lawsuit against 20 different media outlets for a coordinated defamation scheme where all of these outlets falsely claimed that Truth Social lost 73 million dollars.
Now, the crazy thing is, apparently they're all citing an SEC filing that never says this, so it's gonna get really, really interesting.
But here's where it gets interesting even more so.
This morning when I wake up and I say, okay, let's take a look at where we're at with this Elon Musk story, there's a new story.
It's weird.
It's actually an old story from about a month and a half ago about a man who is suing Elon Musk, a Jewish man.
Strangely, when you google search Elon Musk now, the news you get is not that he's suing Media Matters.
It is not the story explaining how X and Elon Musk claim Media Matters defrauded people.
It's actually a story from a month and a half ago about Elon Musk being sued by a Jewish man for being anti-Semitic.
Now why would all of these different news outlets run an old story at the exact same time?
My friends, it would seem that the war for the internet is on, and it's going to get particularly crazy moving forward, but there's a lot happening behind the scenes.
We'll talk about this.
We've got a bunch of stories about actors, celebrities, actresses getting fired over their statements about Israel and Palestine, so cancel culture is coming for them too.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more, we got the Harmon Brothers of Angel Studios.
Do you guys want to introduce yourselves?
neal harmon
Neil Harmon, co-founder and CEO of Angel Studios.
Glad to be here, Tim.
tim pool
Well, thanks for coming in.
jeffrey harmon
Jeff Harmon, co-founder and chief content officer, and we're excited to be here.
tim pool
You guys did, of course, you were behind Sound of Freedom, which was a massive success, and you had a documentary that just came out recently.
neal harmon
After Death.
tim pool
After Death, and now you have The Shift coming out, what, in like a week?
neal harmon
December 1.
tim pool
December 1, it looks really good.
I'm really excited for it.
We have a clip, and it's great.
Yeah, I don't want to say too much.
I'd rather just play it later, but it's looking awesome, man.
You guys are killing it, and I'm glad to see... Look, as we're talking about Elon Musk fighting this big battle, all of these stories are stories of us storming the battlefield, taking the field, taking the center stage, and winning.
These are all tremendous victories, so it's super exciting to hear.
This will be a lot of fun talking to you guys about this, and so thanks for hanging out.
We got Hannah Clare hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hi, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I was a writer at TimCast News, but now I'm a writer at Scanner.
And Ian's here.
ian crossland
Hi, everyone.
Ian Cross.
And Tim, I love you, man.
And I really appreciate your attention to detail, because picking up on this Elon Musk, the multiple outlets running this weird muddying the waters thing, I don't know that a lot of humans would pick up those kind of patterns.
So I really appreciate your brain, man.
Thanks for that.
tim pool
Well, I mean, it's like you Google search the story.
You want to cross-reference the different stories and check their sources, and you don't find it.
You find a different story.
Well, we'll talk about it.
We got Serge hanging out.
serge du preez
Yes, I'm here.
Serge.com.
I'm ready whenever you are, Tim.
tim pool
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And I just want to mention, Thursday and Friday, we are not here.
Why?
Because we're doing what everyone should be doing, hanging out with our families.
So, uh, tomorrow will be the last show of the week, but that being said, we can now just jump into the big news here.
Big news.
There's Angel Studios right there.
Let's get to it.
We have this from Wired.
Elon Musk's Media Matters lawsuit will have a chilling effect.
Musk has filed his thermonuclear suit against Media Matters for America at the same time the Texas AG launched an investigation into the nonprofit.
Now, this we saw yesterday.
Of course, there's a bunch of updates today.
It's slowly moving.
I think the fact that the AG is going for criminal charges against these organizations is particularly interesting.
But here's what was interesting this morning.
And this is something I don't see a lot of people writing up just yet, but it's something that must be covered.
Google search Elon Musk and click news.
And what do you get?
Well, what's the biggest story?
I mean, this is a massive lawsuit.
You've got a massive boycott.
X is being slammed by major advertisers to the tune of tens of millions of dollars.
But, you know, that's that story falls to second stage.
The top story right now is, far-right conspiracy theorist accused 22-year-old Jewish man of being a neo-Nazi, then Elon Musk got involved.
Aspiring lawyer sues Elon Musk.
Jewish student sues Elon Musk.
All of a sudden, all of these different outlets, a bunch of different outlets, start running a story instead.
That Elon Musk is being sued for... This is the crazy thing about this story.
Let me show you this.
CNN runs this.
This is last night at 10, 12 p.m.
It was updated.
That's a couple hours after he launches the story.
Now, news that this dude was suing Elon Musk is from, I believe, mid-October or early October.
Here's what they write.
Ben Brody says his life was going fine.
He had just finished college, stayed out of trouble, and was prepping for law school.
Then seemingly out of nowhere, Elon Musk uses his considerable social media clout to amplify an online mob's misguided rant accusing the 22-year-old from California of being an undercover agent in a neo-Nazi group.
That's completely false.
That's actually very, very false.
Elon Musk replied to someone vaguely referencing a guy who was in college and wanted to work for the government, and no one accused the individual of being an undercover agent in a neo-Nazi group.
They accused these people, all of them, of being undercover agents, period, in a fake Nazi group.
Now, whatever.
What I can say is, define coordinated, I suppose.
When a bunch of media outlets all run this story and it shoves down the big news and covers it up, it's kind of like every time, what was the thing that was happening every time Hunter Biden, you know, was caught doing something?
Aliens were proven to exist?
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, I mean, just this week, an example of this is like, he launches the rocket, the spaceship, he gets up, the largest, Spacecraft in history makes the separation successfully and gets into space.
And I try to look up the news and it's all like Elon Musk fails with rocket because it blows up or, you know, lies.
Yeah, it's just it's just straight up faults.
It's one of the most successful moments in history.
And all the headlines are, he failed.
tim pool
They're all lies.
This was the first launch, or it wasn't the first launch, SpaceX launched something a year ago or whatever.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah.
tim pool
All the media reports, shocking failure, rocket explodes.
SpaceX intentionally blew it up.
They were doing a launch to collect data.
So SpaceX launches Starship.
They did the exact same thing.
They launched it to collect data because they have to build a rocket.
How do you do it?
Well, you have to build prototypes, try them, see where they fail, collect the data, and then the safety measure is you blow them up.
And the media reports that he's a failure.
It's not working.
This is crazy.
jeffrey harmon
And then at the same time, this whole entire anti-Semitic thing comes out.
hannah claire brimelow
Or they're covering his custody battle with Grimes a lot right now.
unidentified
Yeah, it's just like a terrible immoral person.
neal harmon
The last time you had us here it was a Fabian Martin story about Sound of Freedom.
The financier of Sound of Freedom was a sex trafficker and it was a guy who was totally exonerated later on but he was all over the press and his face was everywhere and they were trying to take that film down.
ian crossland
It was also like one of a hundred thousand investors, I believe, wasn't it?
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, yeah.
He was one of thousands of investors.
unidentified
Like a landlord.
jeffrey harmon
50 bucks.
unidentified
Wow.
jeffrey harmon
He gets accused of an accessory to kidnapping.
And then it got, the judge was like, I don't know how you're an accessory to kidnapping because there's no even charge for kidnapping.
But somebody went into the theater, screenshotted all the investor names, because that's the only place you can get them, then digitized them, then cross-checked them across all the local criminal databases to find one guy who had been accused of kidnapping.
And then the headline is, financier, $50 investor of thousands, of Sound of Freedom, arrested for kidnapping children.
I'm in London.
I have my angel shirt on.
I'm at the TSA security in London.
I don't know what they call it there.
And one of the security guys comes up and says, Oh, I have tickets to your movie.
And he's like, are you the producer?
And I was like, Oh no, I am not the producer.
I'm a distributor.
He's like, Oh good.
Because the producer apparently is like a kidnapping kids.
tim pool
Well, now they're going after Tim Ballard with all these stories, which sound completely insane, but I gotta tell you, man.
jeffrey harmon
But you get, like, what's happening here is very common.
ian crossland
So what did you do, personally, and what do you advise people to do when the media does run stuff like that?
jeffrey harmon
There was a really wise, um, the, one of the executive producers on the, one of the films was coming up.
He's in his nineties, very successful businessman.
And he just called and said, guys, when the, when everybody's shooting at you, get in the foxhole or else you'll get shot.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
ian crossland
So don't make noise, basically.
Just stay calm and keep working.
tim pool
I don't know, though.
I don't know, though.
Look what the media does.
They say the best defense is a good offense.
When Elon Musk goes after Media Matters and is exposing what I believe expands the government collusion narrative in the censorship industrial complex.
We've got the releases from the Republican Party.
We know about the releases from the Twitter files.
Now Elon Musk is going after Media Matters.
And they're saying they have data, hard proof, that Media Matters fabricated the claims against them to try and get advertisers to pull out.
What does the media do?
Immediately launch a totally different story to attack Elon Musk to drown it out.
So I'm kind of wondering if perhaps in, you know, World War I-style trench combat, you're getting shot at, you get down.
jeffrey harmon
That's a good point.
tim pool
But perhaps in the world of PR and media, what Elon Musk needs to do is lay around another story immediately.
Now, the issue, of course, is Will the press even cover it?
hannah claire brimelow
Or will they let the search terms be accurate, right?
tim pool
And here's the thing.
I think it's probably Google.
Look, why are people writing in this story?
I think it's very weird that CNN chose to write a month and a half old story and just publish it right now with vague and misleading language.
What do we call that?
We call that malinformation.
It's technically the truth, but it's not actually what's going on.
And then other outlets pick it up because this is what they do.
Google knows, put this on top.
So when it appears at the top of Google, when you search for Elon Musk, I think it's a big tech play.
And I think big tech is colluding with the government because we've already seen hard proof they've been doing it.
ian crossland
And or that the advertisers are coordinating and they all advertise on Alphabet and on whatever companies are posting this CNN and all these people are getting that same ad money that pulled out of Twitter and they're working.
I don't know if they're just bystanders in this or if they're...
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's difficult for people as an individual to combat the tech giants and especially anyone controlling a search engine if they want to.
I mean, I'm going to reference Taylor Swift.
I know you guys were all waiting for it.
But when she started dating Travis Kelce, she went to a New York Jets game.
Before that, when you Google Taylor Swift Jet, It talked about all these articles from two years before talking about her carbon footprint and how bad it was.
And people thought she has engineered this relationship to get to this game so it completely changes what shows up when you Google these terms.
I mean, the challenge here is that Elon Musk is now up against the people who want CNN's article to be at the front.
So even if he were able to get some big headline, he had sympathetic journalists take on his story, cover it accurately, it doesn't mean that the way the algorithms work out will be evenly applied to him.
Do you hear what I'm saying?
ian crossland
I think I like your metaphor about get down, duck and cover when the incoming enemy fire is happening and this is like when people are writing crappy articles about you like don't make noise because you're gonna look guilty.
But that's important why you have allies to fire on the position that's attacking your foxhole to lighten the fire so you crossfire.
neal harmon
That's right.
ian crossland
And that's our job, essentially, right now, is what we're doing, is we're exposing this weird algorithm.
tim pool
These people are evil.
That's it.
I mean, Twitter and Facebook running backdoors, allowing the government to come in and basically get content removed.
It's unconstitutional.
unidentified
This is like deep corruption.
tim pool
Deep corruption.
It is pure corruption, and it is overt evil.
These people are doing it for personal gain.
That's just it, man.
ian crossland
We were talking about free speech.
I had interviewed Josie, the red-headed libertarian, today on my YouTube channel.
We were talking about free speech and how, like, the ability for a private company just to shut off a bunch of people's ability to communicate or the way certain aspects of my communication with you might not show up.
Like, that's... We wrote a constitution and fought a revolution to avoid that from happening.
We had the king pressing down on our necks collectively and disallowing us from speaking out in public.
No more, never again.
That was the point.
hannah claire brimelow
But this also happens with companies that control banks, right?
I mean, PayPal can say, I don't like what you're talking about online.
You can no longer use our service, which makes it actually difficult to do a lot of business interfacing.
This is true of MailChimp.
This is true of a ton of different companies that decide, we don't want to be associated with you because we have a vague term of service.
jeffrey harmon
And that's like the next level, is when it's transactions, that is the next level.
Like, that's the deeper level below free speech.
That's the foundation.
If you don't have the freedom to transact, Then you're like, what can you do?
It's like the truckers in Canada.
They just shut them down.
tim pool
I just think we're winning across the board in every way.
I mean, we got a super chat a moment ago and they were like, how could the Democrats even put someone else on the primary ballot because it's too late in several states?
Biden can't win.
The dude's completely out of his mind.
He's losing support among the Hollywood elites.
Michael Rapaport says he's going to vote for Trump, or he's considering voting for Trump.
I mean, this is crazy.
Elon Musk filing a lawsuit.
Everybody's going on offense.
And I can tell you this too, ladies and gentlemen, I can't say too much because in legal issues, you know, you got to keep things pretty quiet until you make your moves, but there is so much more happening behind the scenes.
Let's just, I'll just put it this way.
Many phone calls, many phone calls have been happening.
And there's a lot of prominent individuals who are like, this is war.
There was a post recently where someone suggested that any prominent influencer on Twitter should file an amicus brief or join the lawsuit Elon Musk is filing.
Because guess what everybody?
You know that money you were making on Twitter?
unidentified
Oh wow.
tim pool
It's gone.
It's all gone.
So when I was getting two to three thousand bucks every two weeks, maybe about five grand a month, gone.
So Media Matters did not just smear and defame Elon Musk's platform, but it's stripping revenue from everybody through fraudulent means.
So there's a lot, and there's a lot more than that.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, Media Matters is the worst.
neal harmon
We're still spending a lot with X. How's the engagement been?
It's great.
jeffrey harmon
Well, this is interesting.
With Sound of Freedom, it was the first time that, and this is within months after, a very short time after Elon acquired Twitter, is that our main investors, GigaFund, That's invested in SpaceX, invested in a whole bunch of Elon companies.
They called us and they were like, hey, how can we improve the system?
So they're working very hard to improve the Twitter advertising system, and it's working.
Twitter has not had a competitive leg that even comes close to competing with Facebook for targeted ads and direct response.
Ever.
And now they're starting to compete.
Advertisers need to be aware it's worth taking time to invest in Twitter now.
Part of the reason why Sound of Freedom was successful was because Twitter figured out how to make ads work.
And they're getting better.
And they're getting better and better.
And so I think that Twitter just has to survive the dip.
And then they'll climb back out of it because they're actually innovating.
They're actually making changes and they're listening to the audience and the customers.
And so, uh, for us, we spend where it works.
And I, I think that, um, if we can do it, I mean, we're known Harmon brothers known for doing pooperies, squatty potty, purple mattress, Lumi deodorant, these billion dollar CPG companies and mattress companies.
And, I can tell you, Twitter is starting to figure it out.
tim pool
We're going to be doing a big ad push in the beginning of next year.
We're already doing big ads for Infringed, our latest documentary, by Lauren Southern and John Du Toit.
And when they announced they were pulling out, it was Seth Dillon who started the cascade, saying we're going to commit 250K.
I said, I'm on board.
And it's just the easiest marketing play in the world.
Join in the fun, everybody.
By announcing we're doing an ad buy, we get 10 times the press from the ad buy.
So let me just stress, I want to buy ads on X. We did.
We were already buying ads.
We created a $50,000 budget for Infringed and launched that campaign.
And we are having some issues, so I need someone from Twitter's help.
jeffrey harmon
We can make some connections.
tim pool
Yeah, that'd be great.
Because, like, I don't know, something weird's happening in the back end, but I digress.
So when Seth Dillon's like, hey, we're gonna do this thing, I was like, well, we're already advertising on X. We already want to do more.
Let me just announce that I, too, will be doing this and join their efforts.
jeffrey harmon
That's exactly right.
tim pool
And then I get articles written about me, so standing up for what I believe in results in ten times the press we would have gotten just off the ad campaign alone.
The tweet announcing the ad campaign got 7,000 retweets.
So it's just the marketing rights itself.
This idea I had a long time ago, marketing should do something good.
It reminds me of that movie Hancock, where Jason Bateman's character is like, everyone puts the heart on their brand.
I'm like, well, that's kind of dumb.
My idea was, companies should compete with how much they can accomplish.
Ideologically, in alignment with their values.
So, for instance, instead of spending $50 million doing this nationwide campaign where you hire a celebrity to throw a football, you spend $50 million investing in roads, schools, or helping veterans or non-profits, and then instead of doing this big commercial where a celebrity throws a football, you just do a commercial where it's a guy standing in front of a VA saying, instead of spending $50 million on throwing a football, we just gave it to wounded veterans to help those And I'm like, that's the kind of marketing we should be doing, competing with each other to do the most good.
So I'm like, if I can buy ads to promote TimCast.com and the projects we're doing, and it has the added benefit of winning the culture war, man, I'll spend all my money.
Let's just, let's roll.
Let's get it done.
ian crossland
Mr. Beast, he'll actually take cameras in and show the people crying with joy from tasting fresh water for the first time in their lives and things.
And you may argue it's exploiting the people that are getting the video taken of them.
jeffrey harmon
It's giving away wells.
tim pool
And they attacked him for it!
The media came after him!
hannah claire brimelow
Well, he's an oppressive figure trying to help people.
It's crazy.
ian crossland
I can guarantee he's anything but, and you should watch his video where he brings 100 wells to people that are starving of fresh water, essentially.
Dying, you know, having distended stomachs and these little kids.
This fly is driving me nuts.
Are you guys watching?
He's attacking everybody!
Anyone that starts to talk, it's like, I feel the heat.
hannah claire brimelow
It goes straight to the speaker.
ian crossland
I just swatted and didn't squeeze.
I had, like, some sympathy for the thing.
tim pool
What if we just open the door and cross our fingers that he leaves you?
ian crossland
Yeah, I'll do that.
tim pool
There you go.
Yeah, the fly's attacking everybody.
ian crossland
Fun while it lasted, fly.
tim pool
Well, he's gone.
unidentified
Buzz off.
tim pool
What were you saying, Ian?
ian crossland
Some awesome thing.
Oh, about Mr. Beast.
He was just showing video of these kids, and I mean, if you've ever spent time with kids in an impoverished nation, and you see them, the kids that drink poop water, basically the same river water that they drink out of, they poop into.
It's sad, because their stomachs are fat and bloated.
I saw it in South America when I was in Peru, and it was... They're so happy people, because they don't know.
They didn't know.
But once they found out, they were f***ing livid.
tim pool
And it's just to be able to help people, children especially, I want to jump to this story before we get into movie stuff.
We got this from the Hollywood Report.
We got a couple stories actually.
Melissa Barrera dropped from Scream 7 after social media posts amid Israel-Hamas war.
This is really funny.
She led both 2022 Scream and the sixth installment released earlier this year.
She basically said it's genocide, it's ethnic cleansing.
Gaza is currently being treated like a concentration camp.
Spyglass, the company behind the Scream franchise, had no comment.
And they gave her the boot.
We also got this from sdnr.com.
Susan Sarandon dropped by talent agency for anti-semitic comment.
She's getting roasted heavily after she was at a rally and she made a bunch of comments.
Pro-Palestinian rally.
And then I think we have another one here.
This one's not as important as the Hollywood celebrities.
United Airlines pilot removed from service over pro-Hamas posts.
So...
Keeping it, you know, I wanted to highlight that in terms of the cancel culture.
I don't agree with these people being fired for having bad opinions.
I also don't care.
I'm not going to come to their defense, and I'm just gonna laugh as the door hits their ass on the way out.
Because too many of these people absolutely are anti-free speech.
Too many of these people in New York, these far-left groups, have been waging a war on free speech.
But that being said, I do think we should be careful.
And maybe this Melissa Barrera, I don't know what she's all about, maybe she believes in free speech.
So I'm going to look into them, and if they're in favor of free speech, I'll defend their free speech.
If not, sorry.
But what we're seeing is, look, the old guard is in free fall.
Hollywood, the actors, they're split where their talent are ideologically at odds with their institutions.
And I'm not going to sit here and tell you who's right or who's wrong.
We can have a Palestine-Israel discussion later.
I'm just pointing out They're starting to fire people.
The industry is not doing so well.
In the meantime...
Seems like independent media is just skyrocketing.
I mean, a few years ago, if I would have talked about The Sound of Freedom, people would not have believed me.
If I would have said, there's gonna be a new studio, they're gonna launch a movie, it's gonna defy all expectations, crack into the top of the box office, what is that, $200 million?
unidentified
$250.
tim pool
$250 million!
People would be like, what?
Dude, you can't beat Hollywood.
And now Hollywood's dying.
I mean, billion dollar loss for Disney?
How you guys doing?
ian crossland
Is Sound of Freedom still in theaters?
jeffrey harmon
It is around the world.
neal harmon
It is throughout the world, but in the U.S., we just had the last day in the theaters.
It was last Friday or Thursday?
Yeah.
Anyway, it went for like 127 days in the U.S.
theaters.
tim pool
It's on my uh it's on Amazon.
neal harmon
Yes.
tim pool
When what new releases it's like the second one right there.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah it was the in the top 25 most pre-ordered movies of all time on Apple.
hannah claire brimelow
It's amazing.
I mean it is you can really see a shift in uh focus and groups that once had a very tight camaraderie are now splitting apart.
There's this poll from Gallup that came out I think today saying that Biden has lost 11 points in support in one
month among Democrats, among people who would theoretically be completely behind him. So if you can see
it shifting in the political discourse, it's obviously happening in the cultural discourse. There's
going to be follow up in the fact that people look at each other and say, I won't, I won't even
talk to you. I won't work with you.
I cannot be around you if you express these opinions. That's crazy. I think the kids,
ian crossland
people that just see things for what they are, are like the diversity for the sake of diversity.
It was tried in like 2021 pretty heavily.
And then it was obvious that if you're not casting the best person, regardless of what they look like, you're not making the best movie.
I mean, looks are somewhat important, but I think talent seeps through.
You see it in the eyeballs.
Yeah.
The best person for the character, whatever that means.
So, and now it's becoming obvious and it's showing in the budgets, like Disney just launched the worst Marvel movie of all time.
unidentified
That's right.
ian crossland
Financially.
And they did really poor in the movie before that.
tim pool
Like, let's think about this.
It's a good point.
The Marvels, right?
It's the MCU.
It's got three female leads and a female villain lead.
What was their budget?
$300 million, I think.
And it hits the opening weekend with $46.1 million, the lowest box office of all time.
Now, I assume it'll make some money somehow, but I kind of feel like this one's dead in the water.
It is crazy to see the behemoth of the MCU decide to get woke and then go broke.
jeffrey harmon
Well, Nate, was it the reviewer, the drunk reviewer, what's his name, drinking?
hannah claire brimelow
I hope it ain't just the drunk reviewer, that's way better.
jeffrey harmon
Australian dude?
ian crossland
The drunken Aussie movie?
Yeah, I know who you're talking about.
jeffrey harmon
He's a reviewer, I know who I'm talking about.
Sorry, it doesn't matter.
hannah claire brimelow
Chad will figure it out.
jeffrey harmon
He was saying that Disney was required by contract to make this movie.
ian crossland
Critical Drinker.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, Critical Drinker.
tim pool
They were required by contract to make this movie?
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, they didn't have a choice.
They signed an agreement to make this movie a long time ago, and they tried to wiggle out, and they tried to get out, and they were forced, basically, through their contracts to finish it out.
And he's like, and it shows, there's no passion.
tim pool
Oh, it's the shortest movie they've done.
People are mentioning that it really looked like they were just trying to get rid of it.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, because they had to, they had to make it.
They signed the agreements a long time ago.
tim pool
You know what I think happened?
I think, uh, early, uh, this is maybe like eight years ago.
Man, it's been that long.
Like when they were doing Avengers Infinity War, they needed to get Brie Larson in it because they were like, Captain Marvel will be the new Iron Man.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah.
And so she signed a deal for so many films.
tim pool
And then she appears in a bunch of commercials.
Everyone despises her.
She's snooty.
She's mean.
She goes on social media and she posts really awful, nasty stuff.
And then they're just like, we need to get rid of her.
And she's cost them so much money.
Here's the funny thing.
Cancel culture, right?
They're firing these actors and actresses.
And you know why they're doing it?
Because they're like, we are going to lose so much money because this woman went on Twitter and started Calling Israel genociders and all this stuff.
Again, not here to make an argument about Israel-Palestine.
They're looking at how much money they're going to lose because of it, and I get it.
And that's a tough issue, but understand this.
Just the other day, we had Danny Palaszczuk on.
He made the excellent joke of, as soon as Elon Musk bought Twitter, everybody just went, There are two genders.
It's funny because if you really think about it, isn't it absolutely insane that before Elon acquired Twitter, If you said, men are not women, you would get banned.
No question.
Megan Murphy, she's a writer and activist.
She tweeted, men aren't women though.
She didn't insult anybody.
They banned her.
For four years she was banned.
Until finally, I think it was because of Elon Musk, she gets brought back.
We actually lived in that world where you could not go on a major social media platform and say, boys are boys and girls are girls.
But now, where are we?
Well, what was happening back then is companies were genuinely terrified.
jeffrey harmon
Dave Rubin had... I don't think Sound of Freedom would have been as successful as... I don't think it would have hit terminal... I'm sorry, Xscape Velocity without Twitter.
tim pool
They would have suspended you guys in two seconds.
They would have made up a reason.
neal harmon
Right.
jeffrey harmon
We could have brute forced ourselves maybe to 80 million just through marketing.
But the amount that it takes to get up to 250 million requires you to hit escape velocity.
And without Twitter, Twitter was the only social platform where we were trending number one after it launched over and over and over again.
All the rest of them, just not there.
hannah claire brimelow
Did you have a plan for Twitter when you were launching?
Like, did you go in knowing that Twitter was gonna be a resource or was that organic?
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, we actually, that is why we got into advertising on Twitter is because now Elon owned Twitter and we were like, we can actually trust they're not gonna mess with this movement.
neal harmon
We could see when we were advertising the Sound of Freedom trailer, because of our advertising career, like the number, for the views and the number of shares, That the videos got and the amount of activity, it just didn't match.
Like nobody would comment, nobody would like, but they were being shared like crazy.
jeffrey harmon
So you post your video, people resharing it like extremely high rate, super viral trailer on Facebook.
The second generation shares have no comments.
You can just go through.
tim pool
They're fake.
jeffrey harmon
So the first one, no, no, they're sharing.
Everybody's sharing it, but they're sharing it into the void.
tim pool
Right, right.
jeffrey harmon
They think I'm just sharing the video, I'm excited I shared it and then no one sees it.
tim pool
Right.
jeffrey harmon
No one comments on it and so the reshares, the second generation is where the trick happens on these other social platforms is you post it and a whole bunch of people reshare it and you go, oh my video is doing really well.
But then you go dig into the reshares and they're not getting comments, they're not getting any engagement.
neal harmon
They die.
ian crossland
I think that Facebook should alter their advertising scheme so that if you share an advertised post, it's still going to get advertising pressure on your reshare.
jeffrey harmon
Yes, I agree with that.
Yeah, reshare should should be promoted.
tim pool
So with with X.
I think, let me go back in time actually.
I knew these guys that were investigating advertising systems on big tech companies and they were saying at least half of all of the buys, purchases are fake.
When you say I'm going to put $1,000 in ads towards this video and then you get, let's say, you know, 100,000 views, 50,000 are fake.
Fabricated.
And so what Elon Musk is... They're just bots.
They're just bots.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And so this is great for the big tech companies.
jeffrey harmon
That makes sense with the performance before.
tim pool
Exactly.
But here's what happens.
jeffrey harmon
Because it was awful performance.
You couldn't... It was like brand marketing on Twitter.
That was the only way to do it.
tim pool
But then Elon Musk changes everything.
And he says, you have to... Ads are only going to appear on verified accounts.
Only count against verified user views.
Smartest thing.
And no one really talks about it.
jeffrey harmon
It's working.
tim pool
Exactly.
What Elon Musk was saying to these advertisers is, listen, If you spend $100,000 on that platform, how do you know you're getting real people?
With us on Twitter, users only get ads.
Ads only display against verified accounts.
So smart.
And so the money is only spent if verified individuals with check marks see the ad.
So now, when you spend $1,000 and you get 10,000 views, oh, it's so much less.
So what?
It's real people.
You'll see your conversions go up.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
That's huge.
ian crossland
I wanted to kind of talk a little bit more about Disney and about how the problems that they've been having.
We were saying that people are being fired from movies, or I don't know if those Disney movies, but because of their talks about Hamas or Israel or whatever.
I'm also concerned that big production companies, Paramount, I don't know, call them out by name if it even matters, but they have large institutional investors.
I don't know if you guys do too.
I know that Angels are like 100,000 people that all fund the programs together.
jeffrey harmon
It's a mixture.
ian crossland
A mixture, okay, because if- Crowd and institutional.
If one big institutional guy is like, listen, my family's in Israel and I want only pro-Israel movies and propaganda out there right now, and full stop.
Then they're going to pull all their money from a company that's trying to make a movie with an actor that's crapping on Israel, potentially.
And so these investors are deciding the creative flow of the movie industry in that sense, or that industry, and that's a fail, man.
If you can't be as creative as you want with your best actors and your craziest ideas, good luck.
How can you compete with people that are doing that?
So how do you guys work with the institutional, to not get co-opted by the institutional investments?
neal harmon
So the only way to get through ANGEL is through the ANGEL Guild.
So those 100,000 people, Jeffrey's the Chief Content Officer.
If he loved your show, Ian, that you were sharing with us, he can't take it there unless the ANGEL Guild sees it first.
And they can see Whether something has a problem.
That's what the wisdom of crowds is.
jeffrey harmon
Sound of Freedom was watched by 30 plus million people worldwide in theaters because a thousand Guild members, Angel Guild members, voted for that show.
neal harmon
Yep.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
So, like, if a movie got made with an actor that was making these comments about Hamas or something, and then, but the angel investor, if the guild was like, we still love it, put it through, there's some dissent, are there investors that, once it gets through, they're like, I'm not going to put money on that one?
Is that part of the process?
neal harmon
They have a choice.
They have a choice whether they want to invest in a project for sure.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, it doesn't guarantee that we'll be able to get the film Uh, to do a partnership with the film.
Like there's still a lot of things that happen at have to happen after the guild, but we cannot take a film into angel studios until it passes the guild.
And they, so there's a hundred thousand people they've invested in different projects.
They can, they go on, they, they, they, they become members of the guild.
And then you get to, as a member of the guild, you get to vote on the stuff that goes to theaters, vote on the stuff that goes on the platform.
And if you don't pass it, it doesn't come on angel.
hannah claire brimelow
And is that the threshold, a thousand people?
You said a thousand people?
jeffrey harmon
A thousand is like, statistical significance.
neal harmon
Yeah, statistical significance of the audience.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, and so you'll have, you know, a few hundred to a thousand people watching each movie.
There's 21 movies submitted a week right now to Angel Studios on average.
21 movies a week.
There's a hundred plus thousand people going through these movies voting, then they decide what comes in.
And then as a guild member, when you become a member of the guild, it's like an Amazon prime membership or a Costco membership.
You get perks, like you get complimentary tickets to every single movie.
Cause you're an angel executive.
Like what?
tim pool
I was going to say, I like this idea.
Ian's concern is one guy can be like, I'm shutting your movie down because I don't like what that person said.
That's impossible.
Exactly.
I may disagree with these people cheering Hamas or being critical of Israel to varying degrees, but I do think they have a right to speak their mind and it is shocking when a studio says they're going to shut them down.
So I like the idea that with you guys, one person can't just do it.
It has to be a community effort.
So, think about it this way.
If you get a lead actor in a film, and then he comes out, you know, to do press for it, and says a whole bunch of nasty, awful, like, really shockingly offensive stuff, and then the community says, we don't want to go forward with this project, that would end the project?
jeffrey harmon
That would.
neal harmon
That's what.
tim pool
I think that's the way to do it.
I'll tell you why.
Not all speech is socially acceptable.
If there was a guy who went out and started demanding that schools start giving these books to kids, I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Like, this is not someone we want to support, right?
That crosses a line for something we don't want.
By all means, he can go do his own thing, but we're not going to greenlight it.
However, It's not one guy.
It's a large community that has to come to a statistically significant decision amongst themselves.
Is there ever a decentralization?
ian crossland
Is there a cap on individual investors so that one guy can't come in with a hundred million and be like, I want to... Yeah.
neal harmon
So the last investment, I think the cap was...
10?
Or is it 15 last time?
I don't know.
unidentified
$15,000.
jeffrey harmon
I don't remember the last one.
ian crossland
Oh, that's very small.
unidentified
$15,000.
ian crossland
I thought you were going to say $15 million.
jeffrey harmon
No, no.
Now the film was made with bigger investors, but once it passed the Guild, and then it took on P&A money, which is the way it did the crowd money.
What's P&A?
It's prints and advertising.
So back in the day, When you, prints meant you print out a reel of film and ship it to every single theater so that they can play it on their projectors.
Prints, and then you print out the movie posters.
Those were the prints that cost a lot of money just to get those out to the world.
And then advertising is how you promote and make awareness around the film.
So currently like prints are like, a lot of them are done over satellite and a lot of them are done with little hard drives.
ian crossland
You still mail the hard drives?
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, to a lot of them.
ian crossland
Is that just old guard, like, not figuring out they can email it yet?
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, they don't have great internet maybe.
neal harmon
Or their projectors aren't connected to the internet.
jeffrey harmon
These are multi-terabyte movies.
These are multi-terabyte movies.
You have to have really good internet in order to bring down that level of a film.
So prints and advertising are the prints or the printing out the posters and that stuff and then advertising and the crowd invests in prints and advertising.
They did it for Sound of Freedom.
They put five million dollars to get Sound of Freedom out to the theaters.
They put it into After Death.
They put it into His Only Son.
They put it in The Shift, which is coming out on December 1st.
And there's thousands of people helping these movies get off the ground and they become angel investors.
And then once you become an angel investor, you become part of the guild and you get a vote on the next content that comes in and you're replacing the gatekeeper model, the old gatekeeper model.
neal harmon
And you're right, Ian.
No, go ahead.
In the traditional system, one studio would cut the check for P&A and they get to decide.
And in this one, we want as many checks as possible because all those people, they're part of the audience, they want to be part of shaping the culture.
jeffrey harmon
They're going to drag all their friends out to the movie, all their relatives, everybody they can get.
tim pool
I think an important distinction, you know, in the idea of cancel culture.
Cancel culture was basically they would dig into your past, find something you said 10 years ago that either is no longer culturally relevant or now is considered unacceptable and use that to destroy your life.
Or in the most egregious example, this race car driver's dad dropped a racial slur in the 80s before he was born, so a sponsor dropped him because of it.
I'm like, that's insane.
But let's be real.
You know, we had that woman on Culture War and she said I was pro-censorship because I said I don't want these adult books in grade schools and I'm like, yes, next question.
No question whatsoever.
It's not this idea that we think everyone should be able to say literally anything in our private spaces or in our industry or that we have to invest in it.
Freedom of speech means You can live your life without government interference.
And opposing cancel culture, first and foremost, has to do with our moral basic lines, right?
So what happens is the woke left comes out and says, oh, we've hereby decided that this thing is no longer acceptable socially, and you're gonna lose your job because of it.
Or talking with this person is no longer socially acceptable.
And we're like, dude, dude, dude, what are you doing firing this person over this stuff?
These people are saying things that aren't even that offensive.
Men aren't women, though?
And Meghan Murphy gets banned from Twitter for that?
That's ridiculous!
Now, if someone went on Twitter and literally was advocating for violence or terror or genocide, then we might be like, well, okay, well, now we're getting into dangerous territory.
As for, like, the calls for extreme violence, we've actually had a great conversation on this show about the limits of it.
If someone is speaking generally about war and conflict and targeting different groups, we kind of shrug.
We're like, look, when they call for death to Russians, Facebook allows that.
Now, if someone goes on Twitter and just tells people to, like, as Ian puts it, imminent threat targeting a group of people, then we say, okay, that's crossing the line.
But my view is this.
We shouldn't tolerate extremist opinions.
Like, we shouldn't have to pay for them and fund them.
I think we can allow and agree with on social media platforms a wide range of opinions that we disagree with and don't like to challenge, but there's absolutely a red line for all of us where we're like, nah, like, This is too much.
And it's like advocating children be exposed to adult content, things like that, probably crossing the line.
But the other thing I'll mention, too, is I'm not here to be the arbiter of morality and tell you where a system like Twitter should determine, or X, where people can and can't say things.
My attitude will typically be, let the crazy people say the crazy things so we can know they're saying it.
That being said, If an actor came out and was advocating for a whole bunch of really nasty stuff, like getting, you know, grooming kids and things like that, I certainly would not want to be involved in a project with them.
And I think that's fair that people would say no to it.
The big difference is, we're taking back the Overton window, where the left said that saying something like, we should have immigration controls.
Oh, you're cancelled, you're fired.
That's what's crazy.
That's a reasonable thing to say.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think it is.
I mean, I think part of the desire to push the window so far is to obscure the idea of what's right and what's wrong.
I think there are a lot of people who I wouldn't agree with politically who would also say, no, I don't want children exposed to sexual content at a young age or inappropriately.
But there is another narrative, especially on the progressive left, that says, oh, well, maybe you're oppressing someone by saying those urges are bad or condemning them.
They want there to be no hard line, no.
And I think they want you to feel more okay with compromising your values.
And that's very, there's no way to maintain a culture if that's also the energy that you're putting out.
jeffrey harmon
When I first went to college, one of my friends, her dad, said, you can go to college and keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out.
hannah claire brimelow
That's a good way of putting it.
tim pool
We gotta jump to this story, because ladies and gentlemen, we're winning.
From Naples News, Comedian Matt Reif sparks controversy with joke in Netflix special.
Is he performing in Florida?
Well, I chose this local news outlet for a reason, mostly because it just documents the controversy around Comedian Matt Reif.
He had a Netflix special where he appeared to mock domestic violence victims.
How dare he?
I really, really don't care that he did.
And here's the best part.
Here's from NBC News.
Comedian Matt Reif responds to Netflix special Backlash with a link to special needs helmets.
He made a post and said, for everybody who was offended by my joke, here's a link to my apology.
And when you clicked it, it loaded up, I wonder if they have an image of it, I don't think they do, it loaded up a shopping website for special needs helmets for people who are, you know, differently abled, as it were.
serge du preez
Get him, dude.
tim pool
I'm just saying, shout out to this comedian, but we're starting to win back.
See, this is the point about cancel culture.
I have almost, I would say, almost no problem with the limiting of certain speech.
I say almost because we try to be very careful.
We want to make sure people have the right to express themselves legitimately, but, you know, like people posting adult content is not legitimate expression for, it's obscene for kids.
I think it's fair to say that we're going to be like, no way.
This dude made a joke.
That's it.
Grow up.
Have a nice day.
Laugh or don't.
Five years ago, this dude would have been fired in two seconds.
Look at, was it Shane Gillis?
Was that the comedian?
ian crossland
Yeah, Shane got fired from SNL, like, within a month of getting hired or something.
tim pool
He did, like, an accent or something?
serge du preez
No, he had done a joke in the past, like, it was, like, years ago, prior, on, like, an open mic or something like that, where he made fun of Asian-Americans, and he said that a little bit.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
He did an accent.
ian crossland
He's a great impressionist, by the way.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And as an Asian-American myself, I thought it was hilarious.
And they fired him because of it.
serge du preez
Yep, correct.
tim pool
We're winning.
This story shows we're winning.
It's not just about the culture that's being built.
It's about it.
This dude's 28, and he's got a Netflix special, and he's like, don't like my joke?
I'm gonna double down and insult you even further.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and they, I mean, Bill Barr had this joke for a long time about, you know, Bill Barr.
Bill Burr, sorry.
I don't know if Bill Barr has ever had a joke like that, but Bill Burr has had this joke where he says, you know, You know, they always say there's never a reason to hit a woman, but, you know, is that true?
You could wake me from a drunken stupor and I could give you at least 10 or something like that.
Like, that's like alluding to domestic violence, but people laugh.
I think he did this joke on some, you know, mainstream late-night show.
And so it's interesting how it was something people tolerated and now they're like, new young comedian, you have to fall in line or stop.
ian crossland
It sounds like the crowd is flailing and they're like, whoa, my anger that's left over from five years ago, stop!
And then he knows, Matt Reif knows, if he gets fired, he's good to go.
Like look at Shane Gillis, his career is off the charts right now.
He's interfacing with Rogan.
Matt Reif's already been on Rogan's podcast once.
tim pool
Oh, we have defeated... the woke beast is flailing.
Cancel culture is dying.
We are succeeding across the board.
Hollywood is failing.
Cable network news is failing.
The corporate press is struggling.
Elon Musk has launched this nuclear lawsuit against Media Matters.
Truth Social has just sued 20 news organizations.
The amount of victories and the expansion of our efforts is just so tremendous right now.
Ladies and gentlemen, you've got a lot to be thankful for this Thursday.
ian crossland
Although stay concerned because it's like they have the power, and I say they kind of vaguely, but to turn off your money.
So the whole system is rigged up so that Visa, the central banks, can shut off your access to a bank account and no more US dollars for you.
That's like their atom bomb in the pocket.
So we don't want to celebrate like we've won a war or any kind of long-standing... I mean, I think cryptocurrency is fascinating that we have other ways.
unidentified
Bitcoin.
ian crossland
Bitcoin.
Particularly Bitcoin.
I mean, I like a lot of just the idea of being able to But you guys only like Bitcoin?
jeffrey harmon
I'm a bit of a Bitcoin maxi.
ian crossland
A lot of my friends are too.
jeffrey harmon
I started in Bitcoin in 2013, then bought in, and then we made a documentary film called Life on Bitcoin where this married couple, you can read it on Amazon and stuff, but this couple lives on Bitcoin for 90 days, the first 90 days of their marriage, only Bitcoin in 2013.
And then we got into Ethereum and other... Litecoin.
Litecoin and all the other coins, and I was like, I was thinking about it like a technology, where I was like, number two is Facebook, or number, Google came after Microsoft, et cetera, so the better technology's gonna win.
And then by a couple years ago, maybe a few years ago, I started thinking about it more like an economist, where I'm thinking about hard money and what it actually means, and what Bitcoin does well is money.
That is the one thing it does well and it does it better than any of the other crypto currencies.
Bitcoin is the money.
It's the best at it.
And I switched back.
tim pool
And we can take a look at El Salvador.
And it's just like booming, booming, booming, booming.
It's amazing.
jeffrey harmon
I'm just... Boo Kelly brought us down for Sound of Freedom and did like... He's the first Latin American country to... and he screened it.
tim pool
Dude, he knows what's up.
That dude's amazing.
Yeah.
And here's a crazy story for you guys.
You're gonna love this one.
There was an illegal immigrant in the United States who applied for asylum claiming that he was facing persecution in his home country.
His home country was El Salvador.
The persecution?
He was a gang member that was gonna go to jail.
So he comes to the U.S.
to get this.
They release him.
And then later we're like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
What was the persecution?
Oh, he's a gang member wanted for crimes?
Okay, we gotta arrest him now.
That's how crazy things are up here.
That a guy was like, they're gonna arrest me for my group affiliation.
What's your group?
I'm a gang member.
hannah claire brimelow
It's going to be so great, Thanksgiving.
was like, Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. They didn't even either they didn't ask or they asked the real like that
does seem hard. I wouldn't want to go to jail either into the US
tim pool
with you. It's gonna be so great. Thanksgiving. You know, all
everybody who's aligned with freedom meritocracy anti woke, you're going to be sitting there with with a smile on your
face as your woke relatives are just grumbling and angry Biden's
losing Hollywood's crumbling, they're losing money and you can
just be like, I don't even need to argue with you.
We're on the cusp of victory here.
ian crossland
Do you guys ever take Bitcoin for Angel Studios as currency or is that too much of a- We have a reserve of Bitcoin.
neal harmon
Yeah, and we have a reserve, and we've also done Bitcoin tipping with Tuttle Twins.
There's a whole episode on Bitcoin.
jeffrey harmon
One of our rounds, we took on a $10 million chunk of Bitcoin as a reserve for the company.
neal harmon
Wow!
Yeah, just as kind of a backup.
ian crossland
You just bought it?
Just switched cash into Bitcoin?
neal harmon
No, a fund invested in Angel, and we said, we'll take your investment.
We'll sell stock for Bitcoin instead of dollars.
unidentified
How long ago was that?
Hmm.
jeffrey harmon
It's been a while.
neal harmon
Yeah.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah.
tim pool
So that's like a hundred million or something?
jeffrey harmon
No, no, not that long ago.
It's still in the same.
tim pool
I mean, Bitcoin's up to what, like 36 right now.
ian crossland
I think it was a 37 today.
It's just going up.
I mean, now that, um, what's his name?
Javier Mele got elected in Argentina is talking about switching them over to Bitcoin.
jeffrey harmon
Well, yeah, he's first going to go to the dollar and then he's at Bitcoin.
Yeah.
neal harmon
He's going to do the same thing as Bukele.
tim pool
Those guys are, Yeah, they're buds.
I guess Bukele's coming down there to hang out with him, like, for the inauguration.
Bolsonaro's gonna be there.
Yo, dude, that is so amazing.
I mean, come on, how are people... how could anyone be pessimistic right now?
This is just so amazing.
I mean, especially with all the stuff you guys are doing.
jeffrey harmon
I'm just like... I'm a fan of that guy.
tim pool
He's...
Oh yeah.
unidentified
Afuera!
jeffrey harmon
He's bold.
tim pool
Afuera!
hannah claire brimelow
I think there are a lot of Americans he won over, you know, the day after his election because they watched him online.
jeffrey harmon
But he won by not pretending that he was gonna do something different.
ian crossland
Yeah, there was a three, I think it was a three-person election, and then he and one of the others got the runoff, and the other, the third person, they all voted.
Essentially, we're all just gonna vote for Millet.
tim pool
I guess they announced within 21 days they will end the Ministry of Diversity, Gender, and Inclusivity or whatever.
He's like, out!
hannah claire brimelow
And there was some tweet that was like, so there's a legal to have a gender now in Argentina.
It's like, no, it's illegal to be a terrible bureaucracy that ruins people's lives.
It's crazy, I know.
tim pool
It's not even illegal, it's just shutting down a department.
hannah claire brimelow
How dare he?
jeffrey harmon
The department has to exist.
Biology lives on.
ian crossland
Exactly.
Getting rid of a department doesn't mean you don't like the thing that the department is named.
Sometimes the name isn't even accurate.
jeffrey harmon
I want to get rid of the Department of Education, but that doesn't mean I don't believe in education.
tim pool
Look at Public Square.
hannah claire brimelow
You want everyone to be illiterate.
You're admitting it here and now.
tim pool
Public Square put out a statement about their revenue.
They're making millions.
They're expanding.
They launched their e-commerce officially.
I think it's officially launched, right?
The e-commerce on Public Square.
I'm just looking at it.
This year has been absolutely fantastic.
You know, the 2010s were crazy.
Let me stress, you could not say on Twitter, men aren't women.
They would ban you for that.
Absolutely crazy.
Look how far we've come.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's cool because we do get on to all kinds of people for saying, you know, the Republicans don't do anything or, like, local people just focus on national politics.
They don't change anything in their own communities.
And I do think you're starting to see the results of people taking initiative and, especially in the case of Public Square, seeing something that was needed and creating it.
And I think you guys are similar with the work that you do.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't know if they take crypto yet, public square.
That's going to be interesting when that happens.
When you take, if you took Bitcoin, like to watch a movie, I could pay you in Bitcoin, would there be like a tax hell unleashed upon the company for taking Bitcoin as payment?
Or is it past that now?
Or you can like, take it, convert it to cash?
neal harmon
The US treats it as capital gains tax.
And they just made a new change to where accountants can handle Bitcoin on their balance sheet a lot easier, which is going to help companies hold Bitcoin.
jeffrey harmon
It's going to make a big difference.
Companies that have huge cash reserves, where we're seeing inflation, like I don't know if you guys have been at the grocery store lately, but things are getting freaking expensive.
Insane!
And, uh, you know, I, I, I, it's shocking and I'm, I'm not in the lower income brackets and I'm just can't believe how expensive it is.
And so our reserves, our cash reserves as companies are losing value the longer they sit.
So the more cash you have, and so there's going to be a lot more companies coming in and saying, we're going to put a huge chunk of our reserves in Bitcoin.
tim pool
Dude, I mentioned this the other day.
We went to Weiss.
I buy these salami packs.
We usually have a bunch of them downstairs for everybody to eat.
They're $12 a pack now.
And it's just like 60 pieces of salami.
jeffrey harmon
Actually, that breaks my heart more than almost anything else, is seeing food prices go up.
Because I know, like, we grew up in a family with nine kids in Idaho, and it was like, A tiny income like $13,000 a year.
We came from the very lowest tier and it breaks my heart to see people who have been saving and working their whole lives just like taking huge steps back because it's theft.
It's theft through inflation.
neal harmon
The CEO of Strike just said that the U.S.
needs to refinance their debt about $10 trillion over the next 18 to 24 months.
And he says in terms of scale, that's 3x the scale of COVID.
tim pool
So if COVID generated the kind of inflation we just saw, refinancing that debt is going to generate I'm not going to give anybody financial advice or anything, so don't give this advice, but if Argentina does a fast shift into Bitcoin like El Salvador did, Argentina is much larger, much wealthier.
jeffrey harmon
It's a huge country.
tim pool
Bitcoin is going to jump in value two or three times, I could only imagine.
ian crossland
You said it was the CEO of Strike?
neal harmon
Strike.
What's Strike?
It's a Bitcoin technology.
jeffrey harmon
You get a Strike app, it's like PayPal, but you just buy Bitcoin and you can actually set it up to buy Bitcoin every hour.
So I buy a little bit every single hour on strike.
tim pool
I want to jump to another story here because I want to cover this last one and then get into the movie stuff.
It's just been too much good news, man.
Ladies and gentlemen, I got such amazing news for all of you.
This is from U.S.
News.
Maryland handgun licensure law is unconstitutional.
U.S.
court rules.
This is massive, okay?
A U.S.
appeals court.
This is federal.
On Tuesday, declared that Maryland's licensing requirements for people seeking to buy handguns were unconstitutional, setting a landmark U.S.
Supreme Court decision last year that expanded gun rights.
Let me break it down for you.
In Maryland, to get a gun, you gotta take a safety class, like a four-hour program, and then get a license, and then you can do this.
A lot of states do this.
And now, a U.S.
federal court has just said, not anymore.
This is a major milestone in universal federal constitutional carry, which we should have, because the Constitution is federal.
Yet state by state, we are still fighting this battle over constitutional carry now.
More than half the country is constitutional carry.
And those that remain, the evil states, they call them the evil seven, they're now losing time and time again.
This will probably get appealed.
We'll see what happens if it goes to the Supreme Court, but for the time being, a massive victory.
So at first, We had this lawsuit, it was Bruin, I think it was Bruin, right?
Where they said you can't, uh, you have to issue a permit if a permit is requested.
New Jersey and Maryland and New York are three examples of states where you'd go in and say, I'd like to get a gun.
They'd say, great, fill out this form.
And the form would say, what's your reason?
And if you were like, I'm an American citizen who wants to keep and bear arms, they'd say, not good enough.
And they'd deny you your permit.
Or they'd lie.
So the Supreme Court says, no, no, no, that's unconstitutional, you're borrowing guns, you have to do it.
Maryland and New Jersey were, and New York, would not give you a permit.
They'd give you one only if you were rich or famous.
And could prove you were rich and famous.
The other way to get it is if you handle large sums of cash, like working at a bank, they would allow you to get a permit as a security guard, but so almost nobody gets them.
Now, they've lost that, and the latest news is, they said, okay, fine, you can get a gun, but you gotta take a class.
And now the courts are like, nah, you don't.
You can have a gun.
So, Maryland is about to be forced by a judicial review to become constitutional carry.
This rule is a major push we may eventually see, and I'm talking like in two or three years, maybe four, depending on how long it takes the Supreme Court, but we could see in the next Several years.
Nationwide constitutional carry, which means you can be in Maryland and carry concealed and drive to any state you want and not go to prison for doing so.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
Which is insane if you think about it, because the Constitution of the United States says you have the right to keep and bear arms.
So why is that if you go from Virginia to West Virginia, you're fine?
And if you go to Maryland, now you're committing a felony.
That's insane.
hannah claire brimelow
Because Maryland doesn't think you should have a gun, right?
And also, Maryland has, you know, a very intense crime-ridden city.
I'm talking about Baltimore, of course.
They don't know how to handle these issues, but they think we'll ban guns and that will make everything okay.
They don't understand the problems they have because they don't acknowledge what they're trying to say.
jeffrey harmon
Brazil when Bolsonaro came in.
I don't agree with everything Bolsonaro did, but one of the things he did is he said people should be able to own firearms.
And crime dropped during his period.
My wife's Brazilian, so my kids are all half Brazilian.
We spend a lot of time down there.
But crime dropped by 30% during his time.
unidentified
Amazing.
jeffrey harmon
And all the academics were trying to explain it away and say, well, it wasn't because of guns.
It was because of The air.
tim pool
Are there good policies that he was implementing?
Please name which one!
hannah claire brimelow
He just got lucky.
ian crossland
Was he doing what they did in San Francisco, making crime legal?
And then not classifying it as a crime anymore?
That's a serious question, I don't know.
tim pool
No, Bolsonaro's kind of the opposite end of that one.
He's the lock him up and throw away the key type.
unidentified
30%.
ian crossland
Do you know how much of that was violent crime that diminished?
jeffrey harmon
I don't know all the super details, but it was stunning how much impact it had.
tim pool
Amazing.
Well, I can't remember which state it was, but I remember a story that I learned about when I was like 18.
That, it might have been Michigan or Wisconsin, some state enacted a gun control law and then crime skyrocketed like 87%, so they immediately repealed it.
Like, oh crap, that was a big mistake.
And Illinois, just outside of Chicago, has a city with some of the highest crime in the country, believe it or not.
A lot of people think you're gonna get the highest crime rates in like per city, but yes, there is this one part of Illinois that has one of the highest crime rates.
It's actually a wealthy shopping district.
So it's not murderers and stuff, it's just everybody's getting robbed and mugged non-stop.
Look man, if you live in Illinois, these criminals know you don't got a gun.
ian crossland
Is there a value to making it constitutionally legal statewide except for in the big cities?
Or would that just cause too much confusion?
hannah claire brimelow
And if you ever had to like go, like I think about Tennessee where there are three major cities across it.
If you ever drive across Tennessee, what are you going to do?
Like go around it to avoid it?
At some point you're just putting a burden on the law-abiding citizens and you're not actually dealing with those people who don't care about your laws and will bring a gun there anyways.
ian crossland
I guess, are the highways federal?
Or are they all state?
tim pool
Well, no, I mean, they're state and federal highways.
So typically, the way the law is supposed to work is if you're on a federal highway, an interstate, you're allowed to carry, you know, under certain circumstances.
Typically, you're allowed to transport.
But if you get off at any point for gas, ooh, they're gonna get you.
I know people who've had this happen to them.
jeffrey harmon
Otherwise, if you don't have this, what happens is you end up, if you're in Sao Paulo or any area of Brazil, and it hasn't, but guns have been illegal for a long time there before Bolsonaro.
You have these walls that are as tall as your ceiling.
And on top of the walls, it's just a bunch of broken glass bottles cemented into the top of the wall.
Because people are poor, they can't afford really great security.
And so they just build a big wall and put broken glass bottles on it.
hannah claire brimelow
They build a wall, you say?
What a great idea!
tim pool
So this is actually crazy.
jeffrey harmon
But around every single little tiny house, there's a wall with broken glass bottles.
tim pool
They stick it in the water.
jeffrey harmon
That's your last defense.
When you don't have any way to defend yourself.
And if you call the police, they'll show up in like an hour.
tim pool
Oh, right.
But I mean, let's be honest, that's how it is in the US.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, it's starting to get that way.
tim pool
My experience in Chicago has always been that way.
jeffrey harmon
Okay.
I'm a farm boy.
tim pool
So the only consideration when you're in the rural areas is how long will it take for them to drive there?
That's right.
jeffrey harmon
Because they'll come as fast as they can.
tim pool
Exactly.
jeffrey harmon
It might be 20 minutes.
tim pool
But in the city, you could have a police station down the street, and this has happened to me and my family, and had someone, you know, let's just say engaging in violence against our property, and literally a block away, and the cops didn't show up for half an hour.
ian crossland
It's because they're dealing with like, like actual violent murder or something.
jeffrey harmon
Or they're passing out parking tickets.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Or they're just like, who cares?
Like, what are we going to do about it?
ian crossland
In the suburbs.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, man, that sounds really bad.
We'll stay away from there.
ian crossland
It was okay response time in the suburbs, but out in the country, like, I mean, 20 minutes is not acceptable.
tim pool
Well, this is the reality, man.
When, when, when I lived in Florida, if we, if we, we didn't have police, if we called the sheriff, it was going to be an hour, hour and a half.
So, you need a gun.
I was talking to a friend of mine who was like, she told me there's absolutely no reason anyone should have a gun.
Give me one reason.
I said, okay, well, I lived in rural Florida, 40 miles outside of Miami, on a five-acre property, and we didn't have a gun.
We had a break-action air compression .22 pellet rifle.
And there was word going around the neighbors that someone had been murdered.
It was a home invasion.
Illegal immigrants had broken in and killed some people and they were not caught.
So one day me and my friends are hanging out in the kitchen.
We're making pizzas because we like to just make all different kinds of pizza for fun.
We make weird ones.
We made a fruit pizza once with like jam and kiwis and stuff.
Just goofing off.
And I see a guy in my backyard with a flashlight.
And I'm like, there are six foot tall fences surrounding the property.
And so I'm like, okay, I can call Sheriff right now, and maybe in an hour and a half we'll figure it out.
So, I'm not gonna say it's a responsible thing to do, but I compressed air in the rifle, went out, dry fired, bang!
And I yelled, hey!
They bolted, jumped the fence, and they were gone.
Perhaps the smartest thing to do, it's all I could do at the time, and it made me think, like, we probably shouldn't be out here unless we're able to defend ourselves.
And so I said, okay, what would have happened if that was the murderer who had, you know, killed somebody else?
unidentified
And he realized it was just an airsoft gun, or a... Or, no, no, I didn't have anything.
tim pool
I mean, they hear a bang, they run for it.
They're not gonna try and figure out what it was.
It's a loud weapon.
And to be honest, those things are dangerous.
Not as dangerous as, like, a Ruger 10-22.
But let's say we're totally disarmed, And this guy comes up to the property, armed.
Should I- I call the police.
They'll be here in an hour and a half.
What should I do?
jeffrey harmon
You're back to the biggest man wins.
tim pool
She had no answer.
She had no answer.
She's like, oh, I don't know.
That person shouldn't have a gun.
I'm like, you're right, but they have one because they're committing a crime.
What should I do?
hannah claire brimelow
Should I just die? You should tell them they shouldn't have a gun and then they'll be like,
unidentified
oh my mistake, I'll put it down and there's no let me pause the game. There's no answer.
tim pool
The answer is you need to be able to defend yourself from bad people and law-abiding citizens
hannah claire brimelow
are not the risk. Yeah. Yeah. I just and you guys are parents like when your kids are old enough to
live by themselves would you feel better if they like live had a gun and knew how to how to defend
themselves if they live alone?
jeffrey harmon
Train them on what to do.
hannah claire brimelow
It does make sense.
It's weird to me that the response to, I have a fear about gun is to ban them as opposed to train more people to know how to operate them and to feel comfortable with them.
And that means that you're not probably not addressing what your actual fear is, which is crime.
And that's a different conversation.
jeffrey harmon
I remember after the Aurora, Colorado shooting, I said to my wife and I was just like, I'm never like I'm getting a gun.
And I have a phobia of pistols, not because I don't, I'm a big supporter of self-defense and the second amendment, but I have a phobia.
So I'm going to go take classes down in Nevada, a week long class on how to do this.
And I'm going to become as well trained as any police officer so that I know, and I have confidence that I know how to use it and I know how to protect myself and I'll never regret.
That I didn't do that, right?
But I wanted to be trained.
I wanted to know and to try to get rid of the phobia.
ian crossland
According to self-defense instructors, you'll be the guy that they run to if anything pops off because they all know you know what you're doing and they'll be clinging to you.
Just in from a Super Chatter, Oregon judge struck down a gun control measure just within the last three hours.
tim pool
We're winning too fast here.
ian crossland
Measure 114 unconstitutional.
Looked like they were trying to create a 30-day delay.
hannah claire brimelow
Oregon has really intense rules.
ian crossland
But they shut that down.
tim pool
I'm getting tired of winning, guys.
We're just winning too much.
ian crossland
She's gonna have to get used to it.
tim pool
Let's talk about what you guys are working on now because you've got a new movie coming out on December 1st.
Yeah, the next week, Friday.
This is a good one.
Yeah, the next week, Friday.
jeffrey harmon
This is a good one.
tim pool
This is a good one.
Should we play the trailer?
hannah claire brimelow
What do you think you guys think?
They're all good though, right?
jeffrey harmon
No, they're all good because they all passed the guild.
99% of the projects that go through the Guild do not pass because they're not, like, it's a high threshold.
We've had major filmmakers come in, go into the Guild, fail, get really mad because they're like, I'm, my name, like, you should at least just like, I'm marketable.
And it's like, no, they didn't like it.
tim pool
Well, so the new movie that you guys got coming out, everybody knows Sound of Freedom.
It was awesome.
It was huge.
Now you've got The Shift, which is December 1st.
jeffrey harmon
Yep.
tim pool
You want to tell us about it?
neal harmon
This is our first original.
This mirrors our story.
We met the filmmaker and writer in 2017.
His name is Brock Heasley.
This guy has this most amazing story.
When he was a kid, his dad was Actually, a pawn shop owner, gunned down in California, ended up living, was on Rescue 911 to tell his story, and then Brock, when he was a missionary, his dad was shot again, and his dad was killed.
So Brock started writing to deal with everything that he was going through in life.
And then he and his wife went through the worst time where they lost everything.
They both lost their jobs on the same day.
They were just destitute.
And he made this film with pizza money, this short film.
And then he said, I'm going to take this over to Angel Studios and see how the Angel Guild likes this.
Short film.
And they caught the vision of it five years ago.
And he's gone through a process of creating this film.
And the score on the film just keeps getting higher and higher and higher.
And it gets better and better and better.
jeffrey harmon
Until just, what was it, 60 days ago or so, they passed the Guild to get into theaters.
neal harmon
Yep.
ian crossland
Wow.
jeffrey harmon
And so we went ahead and said, all right, we're going forward with December 1st.
And they went through the Guild a lot of times, meaning they resubmitted this film.
He took a $500 short film made with pizza money, built a $6.5 million budget, brought in Neil McDonough from Band of Brothers, Sean Astin from Lord of the Rings and from Stranger Things, Liz Tabish who plays Mary Magdalene in The Chosen, Paris Patel who plays Matthew in The Chosen, I mean, and then Chris Palaha, who's like the biggest star on Hallmark, and he's very, very good at the romance stuff, which this is a dystopian romance.
And he made this film.
It is, it is a, and it's going nationwide, first time director, first time writer for a film.
And this is going nationwide on December 1st.
ian crossland
Is the writer, the director?
neal harmon
Yes.
ian crossland
What's his name again?
Brock Heasley.
Heasley?
neal harmon
Heasley.
H-E-A-S-L-E-Y?
Is that right?
unidentified
Yeah.
neal harmon
Heasley.
ian crossland
What did he shoot the $500 thing on?
How did he make that with $500?
neal harmon
A bunch of friends and favors.
Just called them favors from his friends.
And bought them pizza.
jeffrey harmon
Yep.
ian crossland
Oh, it's so hard.
jeffrey harmon
And he submitted that to Angel, and then they caught the vision off of that.
He crowdfunded over time.
It took him a while, but he crowdfunded and raised $6.5 million and built this film.
neal harmon
But back when he passed the Guild, my wife said she watched the short and she's like, I don't get it, Neil.
I don't get why you like this film or why the Guild liked this film.
And then he got to the full feature because the original was You know, it was dark.
This retells the story of Job in like a sci-fi world, and she just didn't get it.
Then she watched the screener after he finished the film, finished shooting it, and she's like, I love this film.
And it's testing extremely well.
tim pool
Should we play the trailer?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
All right, we got a trailer right here.
Let's pull it up and play it for you guys.
You guys ready?
unidentified
ready here we go.
Oh.
Oh, yeah.
I'm going to go get my bag.
I've never been to this lake before.
Never walked its shores.
But I will find my way back.
And I will find my way back to my Molly.
Five years ago, I was left in this dark place.
Taken from my wife.
The people here have no hope.
tim pool
You still looking for that wife of yours?
unidentified
You're clinging to scraps of rumors.
And then he arrived.
Where's my wife?
I shifted her.
For every choice you make, there are countless other realities where you make a different choice.
You're talking about parallel earths.
Imagine having the power to move people from one reality to the next.
To shift them.
What do you want with me?
I can make you a king.
Imagine everything you have ever wanted.
Work for me and get back with the woman that you love.
Okay. We go on a date and maybe we kiss.
Hopefully.
He's mighty.
tim pool
Shift you back to your wife, it's a trick.
unidentified
If I choose you, that's the last choice I'm ever gonna make.
I will never leave you alone.
I've seen a bunch of people like us out there looking for a little hope.
There is nothing that I won't do to you.
You can't just shoot the devil.
♪♪♪♪ There is so much evil and inhumanity in this world.
But there is also beauty and hope.
And I will find my way back.
Right on.
tim pool
Man, I just gotta say, you know, I like winning.
Winning the Culture Wars is fantastic.
Sound of Freedom was amazing.
I'm looking forward to this.
I'm trying to pull up my local movie theater to see if I can get tickets right now.
jeffrey harmon
Go to angel.com slash the shift and you can see all the different showtimes there are right now.
It's almost, I think we're almost to 2,000 theaters right now.
ian crossland
The lesson I learned from the second time we watched this, we watched it before the show went live, is don't talk on your phone while you're driving.
That guy, if you catch that one second, he flicks his eye to see who it is.
Oncoming traffic.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm glad we've learned this lesson.
ian crossland
Put it on silent, ignore the thing, go slow so you can get there faster.
neal harmon
Angel.com slash the shift.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
So when the guy who came up with this was resubmitting it to the Guild, did they provide him feedback on, we need to shift this?
I mean, so it's a very collaborative, responsive process.
jeffrey harmon
What happens when you go to the Angel Guild and you sign up, and we actually have a URL for TimCast, where you go angel.com slash TimCast will let you sign up for the Guild.
You can go there, you can become a member of the Guild, and you can start voting on content.
And you get complimentary tickets to every single movie.
So when you sign up, the Guild already gets to watch Sound of Freedom.
They already get to watch After Death.
You get to watch Tidal Twins early.
And then you're going to get two free tickets to The Shift.
You'll get two free tickets to this new movie called Cabrini coming out next year.
So on.
neal harmon
But you're building... And you get to watch the next Sound of Freedom far before anybody else does.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah.
So angel.com slash timcast will get you to the Guild.
But with the shift, he submitted to the guild again and again, rough cuts, and there's a hundred thousand guild members.
And so you get several hundred to a thousand people watching it, and then they give you a signal and it comes out as a score zero to a hundred.
Usually like to pass, you have to be at least a 60 on that score.
It's a signal of how passionate people are about your film.
And like the high 60s or low 70s will put you at like 99% audience scores on Rotten Tomatoes.
neal harmon
Like Sound of Freedom was a 76?
It was a 74.
unidentified
74.
jeffrey harmon
74 Sound of Freedom.
neal harmon
99 to 100% on Rotten Tomatoes.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah.
Sound of Freedom is the most highest audience rated blockbuster of all time on Rotten Tomatoes for audiences.
And, but the, the shift, he went back, I think like 12 different times and just kept getting the signal.
I'm off.
And we don't tell you why you're off.
You just see the number, you know, you're not there yet.
And then you can read all the comments from everybody and try to go through the noise and find the signal as a filmmaker.
So we're not going to tell you what's wrong with your film.
hannah claire brimelow
But people do provide comments.
jeffrey harmon
They do provide comments so that you can try to sift through the noise and find the signal as an artist to say, uh, this is what's wrong.
Because sometimes people give you, they say one thing, but you as an artist realize, oh, what's actually wrong is something totally different.
And you solve their problem in a different way.
ian crossland
For instance, they'd be like, I don't like that character, but you realize that the audio is not right on that character's scenes.
jeffrey harmon
Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
Or you haven't made him sympathetic enough.
jeffrey harmon
You need something else to add to it.
There was early on people were saying the movie's too long.
But the movie wasn't too long.
We ended up cutting, what the problem was is it went too deep at the beginning on the difficulty of the children, right?
It just went too deep and people couldn't get out at the end and actually enjoy the thriller part of the movie.
Because the heartache was so heavy.
And so we actually cut down, the director cut down the intro of the film Not a lot.
When everybody was saying cut, the way the audience would respond is say, it just feels long.
And so you think, oh, I'm going to go cut down the slow parts, not these parts where everybody's bawling.
I'm going to go cut down the non-emotional parts.
But where it needed to be cut down was just a little bit in the heavier stuff because they went too deep.
And then it felt long because they were exhausted by the end.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, and a cut down doesn't just mean like shorten, it means like be more... Just tight.
Yeah, have a critical eye of what exactly is conveying what you want.
I think it's not like you're saying cut all of your movie, it's saying, you know, review it.
It's the same thing with an editorial piece, right?
You could say something with 5,000 words, but if you have one line that really conveys the meaning, that's honestly, you know, much more powerful.
jeffrey harmon
And what will blow your mind with the shift is Liz Tabish's performance, the one who plays Mary Magdalene.
She shines in this.
I've got a quote here that just came in from Eric Artel, who's a major TikToker, and he said, Elizabeth Tabish gives the performance of her career.
And if you've seen The Chosen, you know she's super good.
Her depth and vulnerability brought me to tears.
And we've seen also with Eric, sorry, with Chris Palaha, who's the, they call him sometimes the Prince of Hallmark.
That's his normal world as he does Hallmark movies.
Everybody who's watching right now who watches Hallmark knows who Chris Palaha is.
He's a star.
But he's doing something totally different in this movie.
It's a very intense thriller.
neal harmon
But he says it's the culmination of his career.
jeffrey harmon
Culmination of his career.
neal harmon
He loves this movie.
jeffrey harmon
And he knows how to do romance so well.
So him and Liz got this chemistry, like to the point you're just like, these two... What did one person say?
One review was like, you can tell these two people want to procreate.
It doesn't show anything.
Sean Ashton is unbelievable.
Neil McDonough, in my opinion, gives the performance of his career in this movie.
tim pool
He's great.
jeffrey harmon
This movie we're having, especially women, are telling us that this is the best movie Angels done.
And that is a big deal when you're thinking about... Now, men don't put as high as Sound of Freedom.
tim pool
I think the dude saving children is like really male power.
jeffrey harmon
I got text messages from friends who are like, can we go kill some pedophiles after they watch the movie?
But that's how they feel.
hannah claire brimelow
But it's similar to the effect with the Patriot, right?
The Patriot is like, people are like, yeah, this is a great country.
I feel good about this.
I mean, I think men and women watch film and TV and movies for a different emotional reaction.
So that's interesting.
jeffrey harmon
So women love this movie.
It's like, and, and it is selling out all over the country.
There's movie theaters selling out all over the country and we're up against Napoleon.
So it's a, it's a hard, I heard bad things about Napoleon.
ian crossland
Who's playing Napoleon?
Someone well-known actor.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
It's Joaquin.
neal harmon
Yeah.
jeffrey harmon
Joaquin's amazing.
But the, when you watch this, some, some of one, one, one person said after they watched it, they're like with Chris Palahas, they're like, it's like my brain is like, this is a, This is like if Christopher Nolan directed a Hallmark film.
ian crossland
Yeah, it feels like they took the guy out of office space and like shifted him into that reality where he just kind of looks like, what's his name?
jeffrey harmon
You can't describe this.
neal harmon
He's also the handsome guy on a Marvel movie.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, he's in Marvel Avengers.
He's in Avengers Endgame.
Yeah.
But in the credits, he's handsome, man.
unidentified
Oh, hell yeah.
ian crossland
In the Guild, is there a discrepancy?
jeffrey harmon
He is a very good-looking man.
ian crossland
I agree, actually.
Very good-looking.
I'm glad they cut his face up for the movie so that he'd stop getting typecast.
Do you have the male-to-female ratio in the Guild?
Is that noticeable in the way they vote?
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, so the women rate this super high.
The men don't start rating it high until the special effects and the sound design came in.
So women started rating this really high early on because they don't care if Sci-fi movies just look like people walking around with plastic guns until you add in all the sound design going and the lasers and the, you know, once all that stuff came in, the men are like, yeah, this is an awesome movie.
But the women were on board before that because they're like, this love story is palpable.
ian crossland
When you're waiting the votes from the guild, do you ever take into account the females?
A lot of females voted a nine, a lot of men voted a three.
jeffrey harmon
So let's, We're focused more on, yeah, we're focused.
We actually shifted the focus of our marketing.
This trailer is a little more male focused, but we've shifted a lot of it towards the romance side.
Because this is, a lot of people say this feels like Hunger Games, which is a teenage romance, dystopian romance, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it does have Hunger Games vibe, I get that.
jeffrey harmon
It's got a kind of a Hunger Game... In fact, it's trailering in front of the... Yeah, it's trailering in front of Hunger Games right now.
hannah claire brimelow
Interesting.
ian crossland
That's just through the trailer?
It gives that vibe?
jeffrey harmon
So if you go watch Hunger Games in Regal, you're going to see this trailer in front of you.
ian crossland
But like for a different movie that's more romance vibe, you would have a different trailer?
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, we have focuses on romance for women, the story of Job, which is this is a modern telling of the story of Job for the more faith oriented groups.
And then you've got the thriller element, which is for men, like that men come for the Is that common when you're making trailers to do one for women and one for men?
We line them out and we say this is going to this group, this is going to this group.
tim pool
Like any other marketing.
hannah claire brimelow
Can I ask how much demographic information you have about the Guild?
You guys are based in Utah.
Is that where the Guild was or do you find that they're international?
neal harmon
The initiation of the Guild came all from investors and because we are regulated by the SEC and FINRA for crowdfunding, It was a US-centric group.
jeffrey harmon
Except for the angel investors.
hannah claire brimelow
But do you feel like that's represented in the people who participate?
Do you feel like you have a broad selection of people from across the country?
neal harmon
If you go to angel.com Timcast, you can now sign up for a membership anywhere in the world.
And so the guild is growing very quickly.
jeffrey harmon
But it's not Utah.
neal harmon
But it's not.
hannah claire brimelow
It's not?
jeffrey harmon
It's every single state.
hannah claire brimelow
That's interesting.
tim pool
You have almost, I think, 200,000.
The website says 175,000.
unidentified
Yeah, 175,000.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm just wondering if it's like, you know, word of mouth, like you guys are in your community and saying, we're starting this thing.
So your friends sign up and it grows from there.
Or if it is something that, you know.
jeffrey harmon
The more you get your friends to sign up, the more weight your culture has on the guild.
If TimCast fans all come and sign up, then when you bring a movie to Angel, you're much more likely to succeed because your demographics more represented.
hannah claire brimelow
And there are cities across America, I remember, I mean Texas, there are a couple, I think Matthew Conahay and a couple other actors who are trying to push Texas growing its film industry.
I mean, obviously Atlanta has like a film industry right now.
There are states across the US that have a film industry that exists, it's just not as big as Hollywood, right?
jeffrey harmon
That's right.
This was shot in Birmingham.
It was a Birmingham crew.
Birmingham, Alabama shot this.
neal harmon
That's interesting.
jeffrey harmon
And Birmingham, surprisingly, is a very dystopian looking place for a film.
unidentified
Wow.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, it's got a lot of rundown buildings, a lot of beautiful architecture.
There's a scene in here that's... And we needed beautiful architecture with the rundown look.
neal harmon
There's a scene in here, like the climax scene, is in this old historic building, reminding... It's a masonic temple.
Yeah, but who spoke there?
jeffrey harmon
Oh, Martin Luther King Jr.
neal harmon
Martin Luther King spoke there.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, he spoke at that, in that same spot where the final scenes are.
neal harmon
Yeah, was where he spoke.
jeffrey harmon
Or where you see him like on the screen looking at his wife.
Yeah, Martin Luther King Jr.
spoke there.
hannah claire brimelow
So do you find that there are a lot of people in the film industry who are reaching out to you to say, I want to be involved with Angel Studios, but I'm not based in Hollywood, I'm based over here doing whatever, like, is it sort of becoming something people reach out to not just to get their film made, but for their professional careers?
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, yeah.
neal harmon
Yes.
I mean, we can only, right now, Angel only accepts what we call a torch.
And this harvests back to the beginning of crowdfunding.
So the Statue of Liberty, originally Frederick Bartholdi made a torch.
He took it around Europe to raise money.
He took it around the U.S.
jeffrey harmon
He couldn't get governments to pay for it.
unidentified
Right.
jeffrey harmon
So he actually had to crowdfund the Statue of Liberty.
neal harmon
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
What a time, back in the day, when governments didn't just cut checks for everything.
neal harmon
So the French and the American people saw that torch and they caught the vision for what he was trying to create.
And the same way somebody brings a torch, a video, a short film, or a full film, if it's gonna go to theaters like Sound of Freedom, and then the Guild looks at it, they catch the vision of where they're trying to head with it, and they vote yay or nay.
hannah claire brimelow
But if I were like a cameraman and I was based in, you know, North Carolina, do you have people reaching out for those kind of production type jobs, or do you have to direct them somewhere else?
neal harmon
So each production has its own casting department and David's being done in South Africa.
We've got productions in the UK.
jeffrey harmon
David's a film about King David.
It's an animated musical.
That's coming in 2025.
It's a $62 million film that they crowdfunded.
unidentified
Crazy.
neal harmon
Yeah.
So these are done in different places.
The Chosen is shot in both Goshen, Utah and just outside of Dallas, Texas.
jeffrey harmon
And the shift crew, it's got the guys who did the music for The Chosen, Dan Hasseltine and Matt Matthew Nelson.
Matthew Nelson did it, and it's phenomenal.
The score on this is unlike anything you've ever heard.
There's nothing generic about it.
Those guys did Jars of Clay, the band, back in the day.
They've scored now The Chosen in this, and they're two of the best movie scorers.
neal harmon
But it doesn't sound anything like The Chosen score.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, it sounds nothing like it.
Then you've got, one of the producers was the editor for Sound of Freedom.
And he also edited Cabrini which is coming out in March and then so there is a cross-pollination happening between the group so like Alejandro Monteverde who directed Sound of Freedom and Cabrini came in and consulted to help Brock get to the point where he could pass the guild right because he was he was trying to figure out how to get a score up and Alejandro said well I If you did this or if you did this, you know, like he gave some really great ideas or the the creators of Tuttle Twins spent some time on it And so these different filmmakers join around you once you've kind of reached this point where you're where you're building a film Yeah, because they need you to succeed as well Because it's part of the community but to be honest to your question Hannah like we're not replacing the Hollywood craft
neal harmon
Like, these productions, they're using SAG actors, they're using teams that are part of the Hollywood network, because Hollywood is better at making movies than anyone else in the world.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, I always think- They're promise men, and they're not ideologically opposed to this.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I was gonna say, I think it's interesting because we talk about building culture and, you know, movies, and I think that's great and excellent, but...
I would think all of the people that need to make the film or, you know, it's not just the actors or the people cutting it together.
It's also the people holding the mics and the people with the cameras.
Like those skills have ties to Hollywood.
jeffrey harmon
Those guys just love making great art.
They don't care if the art is nihilistic or if it praises God or if it's in between somewhere.
They don't care as long as it's great art.
What they don't like making is campy, cringe stuff.
hannah claire brimelow
So they want something better.
They don't want to just make the same five movies over and over again.
jeffrey harmon
That's right.
unidentified
To reach the level that's required... It's the gatekeepers that are the problem.
neal harmon
To reach the level that's required for the Angel Guild, you pretty much have to have that level of craft, which means you're calling on the resources of the storytelling world to do that.
So if people are interested, they have to get involved in the casting groups, and they have to get involved in acting and work their way up in the industry, and then they'll have a chance.
But what we saw is that the problem with Hollywood is that it's become too insular, it's become a bubble, and very few people make these story decisions.
And then they're pushing their views on the world and the way the stories are told.
And because they hold the keys to the gate, those are the only stories that get out.
And we're replacing the gatekeepers with the people.
jeffrey harmon
We're replacing it right at the same point where it stopped working.
ian crossland
Do you, are you ever concerned that like having Alejandro come in and advise, um, Oh, is his name Brock?
Yeah, to advise Brock is going to create a similar problem where a lot of the genres are the, it's a similar genre because a lot of the interactivity amongst the artists is going to.
jeffrey harmon
Except for Brock was already so far down the road.
He's more helping him solve.
It's like a mechanic saying, Hey, the, the, I can diagnose, the problem with your storyline that you're facing.
Let me, let me give you the diagnosis and here are a couple of ideas to solve it.
And then Brock went and solved it in his own way.
Right.
neal harmon
And, and Brock actually, like the first time that the first ideas to try to solve it actually didn't work, but the combination of those two ideas, they got to a solution.
And, uh, but Brock made the final call on what was, on what it was.
ian crossland
I would imagine he'd already have the vision prepared and that he's just doing technical crafting at that point.
neal harmon
But you know, Yeah, in this case it was probably really mostly about just clarifying, making sure that the story came through.
jeffrey harmon
Curse of knowledge stuff.
neal harmon
Yeah, came through really, really clear.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, a lot of times- Sometimes you know your story so well you don't realize why people- Exactly!
ian crossland
When the writer directs their own work, that's a- Not a big problem, but can pose a big problem.
George Lucas had that problem with some of the news.
The new episode one, for instance, is just like a fantasy in his head.
I didn't understand what the point of that movie was, to be honest, at all.
There was no villain.
It was very weird.
No poorly done villain with Darth Maul.
So I think getting the out of the writer's hands or having an advisor come in that can help you maybe direct or from the sidelines, just so you know, just because you see it and know it doesn't mean the audience does.
tim pool
What else is coming?
Cabrini?
jeffrey harmon
We've got Cabrini coming.
neal harmon
There's actually a slate of eight next year and we're shooting for 12 in 2025.
jeffrey harmon
We're building a young Washington movie that kicks off.
It's a movie first.
We're doing it with John Irwin who did Jesus Revolution, I can only imagine.
neal harmon
American Underdog.
jeffrey harmon
American Underdog.
He has the most A-plus cinema scores of any director in Hollywood.
So John's building one on the founding of America with young Washington, and his goal is to release that next year.
He's got to pass the Guild, of course.
But the idea is to launch something similar to The Chosen around the entire founding of America.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
tim pool
Like a series.
jeffrey harmon
It's a universe.
neal harmon
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
jeffrey harmon
A universe around the founding of America, because we haven't gone into that very much.
ian crossland
I'd love to play Ben Franklin.
unidentified
I don't know if he was fat when he was young.
jeffrey harmon
Let's roll.
unidentified
You could totally do that.
ian crossland
I'll wear it with anything.
Take that kite up in the air.
I don't know how deep into George's life it's going to go.
jeffrey harmon
That's going to be really fun.
Then the, um, so we've got that one.
We've got another one called Homestead that Neil McDonough is in as well.
And it's an end of the world one where, uh, every, all the power goes out, nuclear bomb hits and they're trying to survive on a homestead.
Essentially.
It's, it's based on our time.
Um, then there's Bonhoeffer.
Friedrich Bonhoeffer, famous pastor from Germany that fought against Hitler.
He was the most famous pastor in the country at the time.
And his biographies are some of the best-selling books ever.
But Bonhoeffer goes from pacifist Christian to saying, I will help try to assassinate the Fuhrer.
Wow.
And the difficulty of him trying to figure it out.
neal harmon
As a Christian.
jeffrey harmon
As a Christian, what he should be doing.
And that film is, that's a big budget one.
That one we just signed like a week ago.
There is David.
It's a musical.
It's like Prince of Egypt.
tim pool
Cool.
jeffrey harmon
It's like the Old Testament.
And it's this beautiful animated movie for kids.
And because David was a musician, he wrote the Book of Psalms, which is just a book of songs.
It's actually like motivated.
So if you go to angel.com slash timcast and you join the angel guild, you get a vote on all the different projects and then you're going to get complimentary tickets to every single time we release a theatrical release.
And what this does, you have 175,000 people right now in the guild, but imagine it once you get a million people in the guild, then let's say Let's say half of them turn up to theaters.
unidentified
Oh, it's just Yeah, you are the other complimentary tickets you taylor
tim pool
swift taylor swift every single movie. That's how we change Exactly. No one can compete with either the point. They're
gonna be like they've got a Natural pole are you familiar with the like what's a venue's
natural pole? What's it?
So with you guys having a guild, you're like, oh, our movie's basically guaranteed to sell out X many seats because of the amount of people who love our movies.
jeffrey harmon
That's right.
So more filmmakers come because there's guaranteed seats.
And right now we've got 175,000, which means we're doing a lot of pre-sells.
But once we hit a certain point, it's unstoppable, right?
So when you're joining the Angel Guild, you're joining this movement where you get to pick the content.
It's not us.
We're not the ones picking it.
neal harmon
You get to trust whatever comes up.
jeffrey harmon
You get to trust what comes out.
You know it's all going to be good because the bigger the guild gets, the better it picks.
And then you get complimentary tickets, two complimentary tickets to every single movie and theaters, and you're launching these things into the stratosphere.
And the silver screen, when you go in and you have a communal experience at the theater, it changes people.
Like, you can't push pause.
There is something about not being able to press pause, even if you have to hold it for a little bit to go to the bathroom.
There's a different experience when you go to the theater.
It's like Andrew Peterson's blog, The Rabbit Room, talks about the sacrament of the cinema.
where it's almost like a sacramental experience where you walk into church,
you give up all your distractions, and you focus on the sacrament and what it means about Jesus
Christ and what he did for you, and it allows you to recharge. And people are desperate to
tim pool
get away from these. When you're looking at the failures of Hollywood. So let me tell you what's
fascinating.
You guys have almost 200,000 guild members.
And you're talking about if you got to a million guild members, these are people who are contributing to a movement.
It's a movement, but the amount of revenue being generated.
will make people in Hollywood weep as they're losing money like crazy.
You guys are taking off and producing movies based on what the guild actually is,
a decentralized voting process to determine good movies.
Not only do you have a better mechanism for creating profitable films,
people are directly involved in making those of those films, whereas Hollywood is top-down garbage and it's failing.
I'm just very happy to see Hollywood get their comeuppance more and more every day.
Now, you know what would be great?
Hollywood stops the woke garbage, starts making good movies with good messages, good values, and then we say, okay, great.
neal harmon
That'll be a win.
tim pool
That'll be a win.
It'll be a great win.
jeffrey harmon
That would be amazing.
tim pool
But you know what?
I'll take Angel Studios taking over and becoming the next biggest thing, where they've got guaranteed seats in the theaters, where movies are like Sound of Freedom, and less like some of the woke garbage they've been putting out.
jeffrey harmon
And it's not just a bunch of repeats, right?
We can launch, if we have a guild that's passing great content, they can launch any risky movie to the moon.
neal harmon
Right.
It doesn't have to be IP that has franchise potential.
jeffrey harmon
The IP is the guild.
neal harmon
Yes.
Right?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, because there's automatic buy-in.
neal harmon
Right.
jeffrey harmon
And think about this.
My kids, whenever they're watching too much screen time, I have six kids, when they're watching too much screen time, I go to them and I'm like, kids, Harmons live on the other side of the screen.
We make the content that other people do.
We celebrate by watching once in a while, but we live on the other side of the screen.
What we're trying to do with Angel Studios is all the content's free in the Angel app.
You go to the angel.com and you can just watch all of our shows for free.
You get early access with the Guild, like Sound of Freedom right now is just in early access.
But you get to watch everything for free, but you join the community to build a movement to change the future of entertainment and live on the other side of the screen.
It's like Legos.
You spend more time building than you do playing because it's more fun.
And you get to help make the movies that are coming out.
You get to watch the early cuts.
neal harmon
Did you give him that video of that guy talking about the shift?
jeffrey harmon
I did.
It's, uh, it should be in the email if you want to watch this guy.
tim pool
We need to go to super chats before we do.
ian crossland
Do you ever do shoot movies at the house with the kids?
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, I actually, like I gave them my old iPhone and for Christmas last year and said, here's, here's the phone.
And I only put iMovie on it and just said, go make your own.
So they're using their dolls and they're trying to You should direct them all, get them all to be actors in your movie one time.
ian crossland
They're going to love it.
unidentified
No, because Harmon's on the other side of the screen, so he can't be actors.
jeffrey harmon
Here's what I love about this.
All growing up, and everybody I know who's in Hollywood, they all say, my family was terrified that I came to Hollywood.
And 95 plus percent of people who go into Hollywood end up losing their faith.
neal harmon
Or their family.
jeffrey harmon
Or their families.
And I want, like for me, success means that when I'm old, That my kids and my grandkids can be encouraged to go into the Hollywood business, into the film business, and not worry about being destroyed with their families and their faith.
And we've got to build a parallel system to do that.
tim pool
Let's get it!
Let's go to Super Chats for now.
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You should definitely be involved.
But for now, let's read what y'all got to say.
Alpha Turkey!
Just in time for Thanksgiving with the first Super Chat saying, hello there.
Well, thank you for that Super Chat.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think Alpha Turkey's really stressed this time of year?
Or do you think it's okay?
tim pool
No, Alpha Turkey ain't got nothing to worry about.
hannah claire brimelow
That's true.
If you're not dead by now, you're probably okay.
ian crossland
Be careful with deep frying turkeys.
I would suggest not to deep fry a turkey.
I keep seeing videos of them going up in flames.
jeffrey harmon
I've always wanted to try it.
tim pool
Yeah, but you do it right and it's amazing.
jeffrey harmon
You just have to have a big enough space.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Yeah, because the water will... Not water!
tim pool
No, it's oil.
ian crossland
It's the water in the turkey that releases the oil.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
So you gotta do it.
You gotta know what you're doing.
Matthew Emmons says, could you two talk to Ryan Long and Danny Polischuk about distributing a movie with Timcast?
Could the Harmon Brothers?
So we mentioned this with Danny the other day.
On the show.
Uh, Danny said that he wrote a script.
He and Ryan wrote a script, but it's kind of dated, wouldn't work now.
And I was like, let's do a movie.
And they said, okay.
So, you know, I have no idea what I'm doing.
I don't know.
Maybe you guys would be, or the Guild, I should say, not you guys.
You guys don't matter at all.
neal harmon
No.
Farmers from Idaho.
jeffrey harmon
We help market it.
Once it gets through, we help take it to the world.
tim pool
Yeah.
But Ryan Long will be here next week, and Daniel will be coming back, and I'm going to talk to them about, you know, what do we have to do to make a good comedy film.
jeffrey harmon
And our principles, so as you're prepping, if you want to come to Angel, our principles, we have what's called, we're looking for projects that amplify light.
What do you want to explain?
neal harmon
That's stories that are true, honest, noble, just, authentic, admirable, lovely, and excellent.
tim pool
It's like a rom-com.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, could work, totally.
Rom-com could work fine.
tim pool
Yeah.
We'll see how edgy Ryan and Danny want to get with it, because they're pretty edgy.
But, you know, we'll see what happens.
We'll talk to them.
Let's grab some more.
What do we got here?
Bears fan in Cheeseland.
Are you in Wisconsin?
New subscriber here.
Thanks for the content.
I imagine that means you live in Wisconsin.
You're a fan of the Bears.
ian crossland
Bold of you to admit that.
tim pool
I remember the first time I went to Wisconsin, I was really disappointed because we went to a store, like a grocery store, and the cheese was imitation cheese product.
And we're like, what?
We're in Wisconsin!
unidentified
How did this happen?
hannah claire brimelow
That should be treason.
Whoever runs that grocery store should be brought up on state charges.
tim pool
Imitation cheese product?
I don't know.
It was a little store.
They were doing all right.
Noah Sanders says, congrats on getting SCNR back up.
It's awesome to see the movies you're making.
I just got laid off, so be on the lookout for a resume.
Stay blessed.
Yes, Scanner!
It's officially come back.
So let me tell you the story, my friends, as much as we can.
We did a crowdfund several years ago.
It's a long time ago now.
This is like, what, 2019 or something?
ian crossland
Before?
Oh yeah, yeah.
Oh Jesus, before that.
tim pool
It was 2018.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was 18.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
We raised a million dollars in 22 hours.
It was the fastest crowd investment in the U.S.
at the time.
And we launched a company called Subverse to produce news and documentaries and ground and field reporting.
And let me just give you the simple version of it.
There was a lawsuit.
You can read the documents, they're all public.
I can't say much about it because of the lawsuit.
But it basically froze the company, in a matter of speaking.
We have resolved those issues, and since the resolution, which was quite a while ago, I should say there was a court resolution followed by...
Long period of cutting, you know, tying up loose ends and resolving a lot of these issues, which finally resulted in us, as of today, officially relaunching.
The TimCast News Team is now the SCNR News Team.
They're back, and we're glad it's happening.
We're working with, of course, Bill Ottman of Mines is involved, for sure.
We're really excited that we're gonna have this project.
So, there were a lot of people who had invested in it.
And I'll tell you the frustrating thing.
People are saying like, I demand answers.
You know, I invested in this project.
And it's like, I am legally not allowed to say anything when you're involved in these cases.
So it's like, you can't even respond to someone and say, sorry.
All we can do is say, here, please read this legal document that was published.
Have a nice day.
Like, you can't say anything.
So it's been resolved.
We still can't, you know, this is like how it works.
We, for the most part, can't talk about it.
But anyone who wants to can read all of the court documents, see for themselves exactly what happened, and just know that we never stopped working on the project, and the project is back, and we are going to bring it back from what I would only describe as insolvency.
You can read all about the court case to understand what I'm talking about, but it's going to require a lot of heavy lifting on all of our parts, but it's what needs to happen, it's what should happen, and the people who invested in that project all those years ago still have their stake as it stands.
neal harmon
Good on you.
We went through a similar experience.
Big lawsuit, crowdfunded company, and we went through bankruptcy.
tim pool
And you had people being like, why aren't you giving me all the information?
You're like, you can't say anything.
It's hard to actually even explain why, but for the basics of it, it's like, there's strategic and legal reasons.
They're like, you cannot talk about this.
ian crossland
If I like someone totally unrelated… It's just the way the court systems work.
jeffrey harmon
Court systems work that way to where if you say something, you're actually potentially hurting all their investments.
tim pool
Right.
Oh, and then it just opens up the door for a lot more.
So, as it pertains to this, I think the official thing is the people involved in the company cannot speak of or induce anyone to speak of what happened.
ian crossland
But if I were to just do it, and then I'm not involved at all, and then you're like, well, here's a link to a video of a guy explaining it.
That's legal?
tim pool
Nope.
unidentified
No, not allowed.
ian crossland
You can't get involved?
Can't do that.
tim pool
Yep.
I can't even be like, watch this, guys.
I can say, here are the court documents.
You can read them for yourself.
That's it.
If anybody were to make a video, I could not be like, oh, look at this video.
Can't do it.
It's crazy.
It's crazy how that works.
And let's just say we're all very disappointed, but we're excited that things are getting... The brand is hot, dude.
ian crossland
Scanner.
tim pool
I like it.
ian crossland
It's a very sci-fi.
tim pool
And we had a lot of great stuff.
We had a lot of great stuff.
And if anyone's wondering what happened, you can read the court documents.
ian crossland
I'm at scnr.com right now looking at it.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Looks good.
tim pool
And it's just getting started.
We got something up that we could.
We had to do a lot of infrastructure work.
It was expensive and it's worth it.
I'm excited for it.
But there's a lot of other stuff involved.
We're going to be working on documentaries.
The stuff from Eilat is now going to be published on Scanner.
The Twitter account will stay the same.
TimCastNews is going to be reposting these things.
And TimCastNews, of course, will use the articles as sources and things like that.
But TimCastNews will not be publishing Uh, day-to-day news stories.
However, TimCast.com still will have special articles and things like that.
And, uh, nothing else is changing.
So, super excited.
All right, let's go!
Let's see, uh, let's see, uh, let's see what we got.
Zacchaeus and Brannigan Deeds says, saw After Death this week.
Thanks.
Tim, when can we look into a running, uh, running a coffee shop?
I'm an entrepreneur in Oregon and would like to, uh, counterculture here.
So, uh, the snowball's rolling down the hill.
The good news is I'm hearing from, uh, the people working on the project.
Things are picking up speed.
The equipment has arrived, and we hopefully will have this up and running.
It was supposed to be.
We thought it was gonna be up and running earlier this year.
That's how crazy it was.
We bought a building, we, like, started doing all the work, and then all of a sudden permits resulted in, oh, you gotta fix this, you gotta fix this, you gotta fix this, and it just never ended.
And, uh, but we're getting there.
And we're working with Chef Andrew Greuel on the expansion plans, so stay tuned for that.
Super exciting.
And then we're building a... Oh, you know what we need to do?
We're building an anti-Times Square in Martinsburg, West Virginia.
So this is where we're putting our coffee shop, right?
And so we were talking with Terrence Williams about a Cousin T's Diner, because he's got Cousin T's Pancakes.
And I'm like, the local diner is like going out of business and we don't know what's going on.
We should revive it, Cousin T's Diner.
We should do a series of businesses all downtown Martinsburg that are parallel economy.
We gotta put up an Angel Studios movie theater.
unidentified
Oh, that'd be so cool.
tim pool
In Martinsburg, West Virginia.
unidentified
That'd be so cool.
Yup, and then it's just... That'd be really fun.
Yeah, you have the new movies, you have regular movies in rotation that you guys want to have, ones that fit your values, but also just like... And ones that you guys get behind, TimCast, the movies you really like, we could go do special screenings there.
tim pool
But documentaries, because we just put out Infringed, so there's a lot you could do.
I don't know, it's up to you guys, but we've... Terrence Williams is definitely interested in something.
He actually gave us the idea by mentioning he wanted to do this diner.
And we have the paperwork with Andrew Groll, we're finalizing.
And then we are going to, the general idea is we want to create,
we've got all these prominent individuals that are fighting the culture war.
And I'm like, let's create brick and mortar shops for all these different personalities that fit their brand
for what they're interested in and into and promoting.
And then set up all over the country.
So with Cast Brew Coffee, I'm like, imagine if we had a thousand of these through-
unidentified
Coffee shops.
tim pool
Yeah, coffee shops.
unidentified
Now imagine this.
tim pool
Imagine some guy or woman walks in for their morning coffee and as they're waiting for it,
there's a TV screen playing Crowder, Timcast IRL, or some other show, Joe Rogan, whatever.
That's going to expose our side of the culture war and parallel economy to regular people when we put this up next to, you know, a Walmart or something.
Now imagine Saturday night at the coffee shop is, you know, normal hours are till eight, but this night we're doing a screening for an Angel Studios, you know, movie that came out a little while ago, come hang out, get together.
What we want to do is something called Saturday morning cartoons.
Where, on Saturday mornings, families come with their kids, the TVs are playing wholesome cartoons, we do catering, and this creates, like, builds up community between families.
neal harmon
We've got a bunch of cartoons we could help you out with there.
tim pool
Exactly.
Tuttle Twins.
Yup.
unidentified
Yup.
jeffrey harmon
Tuttle Twins.
neal harmon
Winged Feather Saga.
jeffrey harmon
David.
Young David.
tim pool
Yeah, but an Angel Studios movie theater in Martinsburg.
That'd be cool.
neal harmon
Send us the info.
tim pool
We'll figure it out.
We're so far away from it.
I mean, I feel like if there was someone who was like a billionaire culture warrior, they could be like, I'll hire 10 guys right now, we'll get the ball rolling.
For me, it's like we got 800 things, you know, on all these different...
You know, so the paperwork's moving forward with Jeff Andrew Greuel, but we can only go as fast as we can.
jeffrey harmon
So hopefully... The fastest way to get there, I think, to that is if we can get the Angel Guild big enough to escape Velocity.
ian crossland
Yeah.
jeffrey harmon
Essentially, like, we just need to figure out kind of a deeper partnership to where we're working with everybody who's like-minded and making sure it's a win for everybody.
tim pool
There's a theater across the street from us that hosted an all-ages drag show.
Perhaps we can buy it and turn it into a movie theater and stop having those kinds of things.
Yeah, the people in the community are really pissed off because they had a pride event where they had children dancing with drag queens and stuff like that, and the locals are offended.
I mean, they find this stuff to be in violation of West Virginia state law, which they clearly outline, and they're wondering why nothing's being done about it.
Well, it's because wokeness pushed its way into these areas, and so we're gonna push back and say, look, man, If the people who live here are saying this goes against their values and they have laws against it, we need something to change.
And we'll see where we go with it.
ian crossland
We didn't talk about after death much, and I do want to keep going with Super Chats, but how's it doing?
This is the documentary you guys released a few months ago?
neal harmon
Best-selling documentary since COVID, period.
And it's the number one faith documentary in history.
ian crossland
It's about people experiencing life after death, what do they call it, near-death experiences and things like that?
jeffrey harmon
Yeah.
And it's in the Guild right now.
If you become a member of the Guild, you can actually just watch it right now.
tim pool
Oh, really?
jeffrey harmon
Because we just, as we're moving Thanksgiving, it's moving out of theaters because the big movies are coming in, which means it's going straight into the Guild.
neal harmon
Guild gets everything first.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah.
So if you go to theangel.com slash timcast, you can just start watching this.
But this movie, what they do is they go through and they take the scientific documentation around what people have experienced when they died and then they came back.
You know, people have been, were dead completely, like no brain activity type situations for 30 minutes or 90 minutes.
neal harmon
Multiple continents, different faiths, just all types of people looking for patterns.
jeffrey harmon
And then they look for patterns and they see that there are people who are in surgeries and have experiences where they see things that are happening and they explain it to the surgeon after the fact, and the surgeon's like, they can't know that.
It's impossible for them to know that because they're having an out-of-body experience.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Stuff like there'd be a coin up on top of something and they'll see the coin.
jeffrey harmon
No, they describe the tools.
neal harmon
Yeah, they describe what the doctor's tools that they're using to operate on them.
tim pool
I've heard that there was a cupboard.
jeffrey harmon
They're watching their own ambulance get to the hospital and they're following it.
tim pool
Someone wrote something on a paper and had it on top of a cupboard, and then someone who was having a near-death experience said what was on top of it.
And they were just like, how could you have possibly known?
There was no point at which you were consciously walking around the room.
You were on your deathbed the whole time.
And they were like, I saw it.
Here's what it says.
ian crossland
Everything's vibrating and your soul is attuned to that.
jeffrey harmon
Well, and they talk about it as more real.
This is what's crazy.
Almost all of them say this experience was more real to me than life.
neal harmon
I was alive, and then I was more alive.
jeffrey harmon
More alive.
tim pool
Oh, that's freaky!
ian crossland
I think it's purported to lose 7 grams when the human body dies.
Have you guys ever heard of that?
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, I've heard that.
ian crossland
On near-death experience, do they lose the 7 and then regain the 7?
jeffrey harmon
I don't know.
Some of these guys are completely crushed in car accidents, and their bodies are completely destroyed.
neal harmon
Dead for 90 minutes.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah.
neal harmon
Clinically.
jeffrey harmon
There's stuff that's just bonkers.
They're drowned for significant periods of time.
neal harmon
And about 23% of after-death experiences reported are a hellish experience and then the rest describe it as light and love.
ian crossland
So it's after death.
It's technically they've died and then they come back to life.
jeffrey harmon
Yes.
Yeah.
tim pool
Crazy.
jeffrey harmon
And even like there's, um, when, when you go and watch it inside the app, when you get in the angel app and you watch it, there are dozens of videos of people that have watched the movie and then they submitted their own experiences.
neal harmon
Yes.
jeffrey harmon
So there's a community of people joining and they're saying, Hey, this is what I experienced.
This is what I experienced.
tim pool
I read a book on this 20 years ago, 19 years ago.
And, uh, it was fascinating because it was like, It was a skeptic who wrote a book who was an atheist secular guy who said that his goal was basically to analyze this through any other academic survey and what he found was 80-90% of the interviews he did, it was almost the same story regardless of external circumstance.
Like the a lot of people say oh they see a bright light because they're in an operating table And he was like actually we found that people who are having near-death experiences outside of hospital settings car accidents gunshot wounds, etc Experience the same thing either and and they meet relatives.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, they have life reviews Like that's something that's different than like a review.
Yeah, they have instead of psychedelic experiences They'll meet their relatives or they meet like They meet God and then they have a life review where they go through their life like in the Scrooge movie Yeah, kind of.
It's really interesting how some of these movies that do really well, if you look, it's a wonderful life.
He goes back through his life and he overcomes his trauma and he's healed.
And in Scrooge, these writers tapped into something deeper about Like, more eternal, because they're going back through their lives in these stories, and then they're completely healed by the end of the movie.
And these resonate deeply with people.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and it comes at a time when therapy-speak is on the rise.
You have lots of people, especially young people, and I applaud those who say, you know, I want to get better, I want to understand myself more, whatever else, but it's like, are you actually fully reflecting on your life and the choices you made, or are you holding yourself accountable?
jeffrey harmon
Right.
True honesty.
tim pool
Let's read some more Superchats.
We got T-Rex Pet Shop says, Judge in Georgia just ruled the cybersecurity flaws of voting machines unconstitutional.
jeffrey harmon
I saw that.
tim pool
Big win for voting security.
What kind of food will you get for Seamus?
The type from T-Rex Pet Shop, right?
Yes!
Yes, we will.
So, well, that's good news.
Seamus is in his cage, and he's very nice, and he's been getting along, and he's very hungry.
He will eat anything and just snarl it down.
But the vet said that he's very loving, has had human contact before, so if he loses a litter box, then he's good to come inside.
Probably not in the castle, because this is Bocas territory.
ian crossland
I was thinking the same thing.
tim pool
Yeah, Bocas can't be stressed out.
He's little.
hannah claire brimelow
Seamus is little, right?
He's like a year old?
ian crossland
No, he's big.
hannah claire brimelow
No, no, I meant like age.
tim pool
He's young.
Yeah, he's like eight or nine months.
And this is crazy, because once we got news that Mr. Bocas was sick, I was asking, like, should we get a kitten so that Bocas can teach the kitten?
And then when Bocas passes, because he's really sick, then the kitten will have that spark of Mr. Bocas.
And the crazy thing is, around this time, within a month or two of this, Seamus was born and then lived on our property over the past several months and was living in our garage.
And now we have, uh, he's probably eight to ten months, ten months old.
Brought him to the vet, got him shots and got him no fleas, no ticks.
He got dewormed, all that good stuff.
And he's, uh, he's fat and happy.
hannah claire brimelow
Has the cartoonist publicly commented on being demoted to the second Seamus?
tim pool
Demoted?
When was he ever the first Seamus?
hannah claire brimelow
He was the only Seamus.
unidentified
Jeez, Santa Clare.
hannah claire brimelow
I assume he was demoted because you didn't, you know, offer him the number one slot even though he's been around for a while.
He was demoted?
No, he was just replaced by a cat.
ian crossland
Yeah, he was deranked because he's a thief.
unidentified
So he was deranked.
ian crossland
Just kidding, Seamus.
tim pool
It's mostly just a joke.
It's mostly a love shot.
hannah claire brimelow
Mostly.
tim pool
We were driving the car and I was calling the cat Mew Mew.
And, uh, because I was saying Mew Mew to it, and then we were like, we should come up with a name, and then, you know, as we're driving to go get food with Seamus, I was like, we're gonna call him Seamus.
Because Seamus is leaving, and I was like, that way when Seamus is gone, we can still say something like, oh, oh no, Seamus pooped on the floor again.
Yeah.
And then when I was walking outside, talking to Allison, I was like, we gotta take Seamus to go get his balls cut off.
And then Seamus walks up and goes, what?
And I was like, not you!
Talking about Seamus 1, not Seamus 2.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, we should never talk about James, too, because he leaves, he's flaky, he's into cartoons, he's a weirdo.
tim pool
Mr. Bokas is actually doing a lot better.
I think it's the stem cells.
ian crossland
Yeah, and he's eating a lot more.
tim pool
His kidney function improved, he gained weight.
ian crossland
Gonna let the pharmaceuticals, like, go easy on the pharma, because they will just be like, hey, here's another pill.
Oh, it has side effects.
Here's another pill to counter the side effects.
But before you take that, here's another pill to counter the side effects.
It's like, dude.
jeffrey harmon
This happens with dogs?
ian crossland
There's a cat.
Apparently, just modern veterinary medicine is like pill, pill, pill, pill, pill.
jeffrey harmon
It's all pharmaceutical medicine.
ian crossland
Yeah, man.
Stem cells are magic.
It's like a new technology.
tim pool
Here's what happens with a lot of people, just medicine in general.
Someone gets a cough.
So they say, take this pill for your cough.
The cough causes dehydration.
They say, okay, now take this liquid solution for your dehydration.
ian crossland
The pill causes dehydration.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
And then, right, yeah, the pill causes dehydration.
And then they're saying, okay, well now you gotta take this pill to counteract that side effect, and then eventually you're on seven pills.
And you're like, I'm taking all these pills to counteract all the problems from the other pills.
ian crossland
Meanwhile, they're all slowly hurting you in some way.
It's just, in my opinion, I don't know enough.
I'm not a doctor, but I see, I watch with my own eyes the guy struggling to move around after the seventh pill, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Let the body heal.
tim pool
All right.
Shider Alpha says, my favorite Mr. Beast video is, after recent backlash, I will be re-blinding 1,000 people.
Like, what do people expect from this dude?
I think it's great that Mr. Beast's whole brand is like, I'm gonna do a really good thing for people to get famous and make money and I'm like, oh, okay.
jeffrey harmon
That's like, that's amazing.
tim pool
Yeah, like what else should we be doing?
Like, I don't know, selling cheeseburgers?
unidentified
That's fine too, I guess.
jeffrey harmon
If somebody's gonna get famous, that's a really good reason to be famous.
hannah claire brimelow
And there are, like, YouTubers who've gotten in trouble for, like, being like, oh, we're gonna host this competition, and it's gonna raise money, and we'll donate it to charity, and then they don't, right?
jeffrey harmon
They're gonna go back in time and be like, we can't celebrate Mother Teresa because she helped so many people become famous.
hannah claire brimelow
In some ways, because Mr. Beast films the stuff, like, at least there is evidence against He's doing the stuff he says he's gonna do.
He's not like telling you a story and there's a lie behind it.
ian crossland
He's not like, next week we're gonna... I mean he just puts out the video.
And he also didn't get famous doing this stuff.
He got famous grinding 10-12 hours a day making Minecraft content.
And then he put that money into doing this great stuff like paying off his mom's house.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
tim pool
Beans says, Ian, the moment when you asked Ron Paul if he plays Dungeons and Dragons, that was the pinnacle moment of podcasting.
My sides have not yet returned from orbit.
ian crossland
Oh, good.
unidentified
I needed to know in order to have a conversation properly.
tim pool
Yes, yes.
ian crossland
I wonder if he's checked it out since.
tim pool
Operation Outstanding in Field says, I'm joining the cavalry!
I've upgraded to Premium Plus.
I'm buying ads, 10k now, till end of 2024, promoting my GBS and mandated jab videos.
Hold the line.
Axe Elon Musk lawsuit on MM.
Chris Pavlovsky, Seth Dillon, Tim Cass, The Quartering, Cobra Tate, Advise.
Hear, hear.
Thanks for the super chat.
Lethal Strains says Matt Reif is attacked the same time Ibram X. Kendi's movie comes out on Netflix.
Oh, did it?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Who cares?
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
That guy's fizzling out.
Good.
It's a good time.
It's a good time.
Squidbugs Anonymous says, Malay vowing to dismantle regulation on an already crumbling society seems like a great way to see more corruption, exploitation, economic inequality, and environmental destruction.
Nice try.
Absolutely not.
Cutting all those costs are going to be great for decentralization to start solving its own problems.
Which I look forward to.
What have we here?
Poison Fist says, New York appellate court tossed quarantine camp lawsuit paving the way for government kidnapping, hospitalization, detainment without evidence and diagnosis.
Yikes.
We saw that bill during COVID, where New York said that if they think you're sick, they can just take you and lock you up.
Welcome to your brave new world!
hannah claire brimelow
Did you see Kathy Hochul's press conference today, where she was like, we're going to expand the Division of Homeland Security's, like, basically she's saying, like, on college campuses, we're going to have additional training so that we can train students to spot online fiction from online fact and can get better at recognizing conspiracy theories.
And it's like, even listening to it, I'm like, this is so dystopian.
Where is your, who is your speechwriter?
unidentified
This is crazy.
jeffrey harmon
They've taken their mask off.
hannah claire brimelow
You guys might have a new movie in the works here, just Kathy Hochul's life.
tim pool
All right, Katoth Swiss says, you sir went to the wrong cheese store.
Don't be besmirching Wisconsin's good name.
jeffrey harmon
Here, here.
tim pool
Yeah, Wisconsin is the land of cheese, man.
Like they have the cheese hats.
jeffrey harmon
Yeah.
tim pool
You got good stuff going on in Wisconsin.
jeffrey harmon
We were driving through and there was a sign that's like, you can buy cheese here.
And we just pulled off in this farm and they just had tons of like, it was amazing.
tim pool
Amazing.
I stopped at a maple farm a couple of weeks ago.
It was awesome.
We got maple everything.
It's like an eighth generation maple farm.
It's crazy.
Like going back to the late 1600s or something.
Because they were saying that back in the day, maple was how you got sugar.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
That was what you used.
tim pool
Yeah, so they would make maple sugar by drying it out and then pulverizing it.
jeffrey harmon
Brown sugar.
neal harmon
And processed white sugar was very expensive back then.
tim pool
Comes from beats.
neal harmon
Right.
tim pool
Crazy, crazy.
All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.
We got a very, very special Thanksgiving members only show coming up for you in just a few minutes.
You don't want to miss it.
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We're going to have a good conversation.
We'll disappoint some of you, but you can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me personally at TimCast.
Do you guys want to shout anything out?
jeffrey harmon
Um, I think you said several times the guild, you know, yeah, angel.com slash Tim cash.
Join the guild.
unidentified
Also, um, angel.com slash the shift.
jeffrey harmon
Yup.
unidentified
Yup.
neal harmon
Tickets for the movie tickets.
jeffrey harmon
It's already selling out all over.
I saw you buy them right in the middle of the show.
tim pool
Yeah.
We got a bunch.
We got some for the crew.
So it's perfect.
It's Friday.
So we're gonna go.
We're gonna go watch for sure.
jeffrey harmon
Thank you.
It's like it's not going to disappoint.
But this is a very different movie, meaning you've never seen anything like it.
tim pool
Right on.
hannah claire brimelow
Cool.
Hi, I'm Hancliff Rimlow.
I'm a writer for Scanner, or S-C-N-R, dot com.
I'm really excited to be there, and I'm really proud of the TimCast news crew for converting over.
It's been a trial, but very fun.
So you can see all the work from me, from Chris Burtman, from the rest of our journalists over there.
Yeah, same great stuff.
Probably even more coming.
You should follow at TimCastNews on the social medias.
Those, those handles are remaining the same.
And yeah, I'm sure there'll be more updates along the way, but I'm really grateful for you guys for checking it out.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at HannahClaire.B.
I'm on X at, uh, htremolo.
I can never remember what my handles are.
And okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Happy Thanksgiving guys.
ian crossland
It's like you're playing with blocks and looking for the right shape piece every
Not every time.
hannah claire brimelow
And my name is so long.
I have a double first name.
I always forget what it is anyways.
ian crossland
I'm lucky that I branded at Ian Crossland all across the internet.
So search find me and follow me there.
I put out some badass interviews.
I interviewed Josie the redheaded libertarian today at one o'clock in the afternoon on YouTube.
X, Rumble, Minds, and Facebook.
It was multi-stream, but follow me, subscribe, and check it out, man.
And I'll see you guys soon.
Awesome to see you guys.
Oh, great to see you guys.
neal harmon
And much gratitude to you guys for helping us get Sound of Freedom out there.
tim pool
Oh, hey, man.
It is what it is.
It's a good movie.
unidentified
You were a part of that.
tim pool
We want to win a culture war, so that means we have to maximize anybody who's winning.
I mean, what you guys are doing, we're huge fans of Angel Studios, Public Square, all that stuff.
It has to happen.
unidentified
This is the Resonation and Amplification Chamber.
Welcome aboard.
tim pool
One piece of it.
ian crossland
Welcome into it.
Yes.
All right.
serge du preez
Surge.
Yeah, Surge.com.
I don't have much to say other than if you want to argue with me, please find me on Twix at Surge.com.
I will not be on Discord for the near future, I suppose.
That said, let's go to the after show, Tim.
tim pool
We'll see you all over at TimCast.com.
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