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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored.
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libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Hey guys, Loudoun County High School students walk out of class over transgender bathrooms as furious kids demand male and female only spaces due to massive safety risk.
		A group of 50 to 100 students at Woodgrove High School in Purcellville, Virginia walked out of class on Wednesday in protest at trans bathroom policies.
		This Loudoun County School District in 2021 voted for non-binary, gender-fluid, and trans students to use the school bathrooms and locker rooms of their choice.
		The students on Wednesday demanded the overturn of the policy.
		They were met by a small group of counter-protesters insisting that the existing policy should stay in place.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you know the counter-protesters were?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Who were the counter protesters?
		Steph.
		They were the teachers.
		They were the teachers who are so perverted that they want to make sure that all the girls are forced to wash their hands after they have their periods in front of boys in the bathroom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't gush when I meet celebrities or anything like that.
		It doesn't really mean anything to me.
		I have this really cool Billy Corgan story.
		Apparently, he tells the similar story, too, because he- so, uh, I'm- I'm a big fan.
		Billy, everybody knows he's been, like, on InfoWars way back in the day.
		I don't want to speak for- to- to- too much to his work or whatever, because, uh, he does- he's a music guy, not a politics guy.
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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, uh, this past weekend, I got to meet one of the moms.
		Of one of the students who helped lead this protest, and I was just... I was so excited.
		I was so excited because that is so amazing to me, that there are people who are standing up for what they believe in, whose teenage kids are doing it, who are speaking out in fear that they could lose their jobs and all of this stuff.
		The courage is...
		I was honored to have met a person who, despite their fears of losing their job and all of this, were willing to speak out, proud of their family, of their kids, for what they were doing.
		So that was really awesome.
		And let this be the kickoff to one of the big reasons why I think schools are awful.
		And we should totally get rid of all of them.
		And it really is simple.
		It is industrialized, institutionalized learning facilities that treats people like products, and cogs in a machine.
		School is prison.
		I think it was Michael Malice who said that.
		Schools are effectively prisons, especially modern high schools in cities, where you go in, the doors are all locked, and you have to go through a metal detector, and if you leave, the cops arrest you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Not kidding.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's that song, Party Hard, by Andrew W.K.
unidentified		If you, uh... Like a school cell, a penitentiary, a jail cell.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm 15 years old.
		My friends and I, mostly not me, but one of our friends was a rollerblader, went door-to-door to raise money to get a skate park built at our local park.
		All the kids would hang out there and skate every day, and it would damage the planters.
		They're made of plastic, they're recycled garbage bags into the, you know, park planters.
		But they're so perfect for skateboarding.
		So we would all skate there every day, and it was awesome, we would do our tricks, and they didn't like it.
		So this kid raised the money to build a skate park.
		Well, I wasn't in high school.
		I had dropped out.
		I was doing homeschooling, a correspondence thing for the most part, never finished.
		And when me and my brother went to the park to skate at the park that we helped, and I'm not saying we did the most, someone else did all the heavy lifting, but we were a component of it.
		They kicked us out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Who's they?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The park administrator said, you can't skate here.
		And I said, why?
		And he goes, because you're supposed to be in school.
		And I'm like, we're not truants.
		We have a correspondence program we're doing.
		So we're just outside.
		And they're like, yeah, well, you being here is going to convince other kids to drop out as well.
		So you can't skate here.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's bullshit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Fuck.
		The machine, it is broken.
		I would get stopped by cops when I'm 16, and they'd be like, why aren't you in school?
		And I'm like, I'm homeschooled.
		And they would go, and they would drive off.
		And other kids who weren't in school, the parents would get arrested.
		No kidding.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right.
		I remember when I was in college and I was at Sarah Lawrence College, which is in Bronxville, New York and I was walking to school because I lived off campus and I was at what like 19 or 20 or whatever and I was walking to school and this big white van pulled over and opened the door.
		The door slid open and this guy goes, get in the van and I was like, what the fuck?
		What the fuck are you talking about?
		They're like, you're supposed to be at school.
		And I was like, I'm in college.
		I don't have to get in the van.
		And I looked in the van and there were all these kids in there just looking all depressed.
		They were getting, you know, carted off to school in the middle of the day.
		It was like lunchtime, you know, and I was rushing to my class.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I will agree, fuck the machine, but I don't think that means that all machines are broken.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I didn't say that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And that the education machine, that we can't have a functioning educational machine, because I think we can.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, kids are traumatized by their teachers every single day, and...
		Look, man, I had one teacher that I can name that I thought was really, really great, and she's an awesome person, and after Occupy Wall Street, she messaged me saying, I'm proud of you, and I'm like, that meant a lot to me, because she was a good teacher.
		And then all the rest of them were either varying degrees of indifferent or antagonistic, and they were traumatizing kids.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I had several different educational experiences.
		I went to public school most of the time.
		And then after eighth grade, I went to Catholic school for two years.
		And then after that, I went to a private Quaker school in Philadelphia for two years.
		And the public school was a total disaster.
		It was like a squash machine.
		You'd go into school and they'd beat you down and squash you down until you felt terrible about yourself.
		And I was bullied.
		It was just an absolute nightmare.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The teachers at my school were the bullies.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		The teachers were horrible and the other kids were always trying to beat me up and stuff.
		It was terrible.
		There were these kids and they'd be like, Libby, we're going to meet you at three.
		We're going to beat you up.
		And I'd be like, okay, but I'm going to take the bus home because my parents are way scarier than you.
		And if I don't get home, they're actually going to beat me up.
		I'm not going to stick around.
		And they kept being mad that I wasn't there after school for them to beat me up, but whatever.
		But the best school I went to out of, you know, and I went to college and I went to grad school, the best school I went to was the two years at Private Quaker School in Philadelphia, and it was hard.
		I was on academic probation the entire time, but every teacher that I had And this was not true when my brother went there later.
		Every teacher that I had took us all very seriously.
		They engaged in questions.
		It was very Socratic.
		You know, when I expressed an interest in Kafka, one of my teachers was like, do you want to do an independent study in that?
		We're not going to be covering it.
		Yes, I would like to do that.
		We spoke separately about it.
		I studied philosophy.
		I studied politics.
		I studied drama.
		I studied all of this really interesting stuff.
		The best teacher I ever had was the music teacher at that school, a man named Larry Honig.
		who I was in choir there and took us so seriously that we felt like we were part
		of a professional organization and it was like very important.
		Other than the teachers at that school that I had and not all of them,
		but other than a couple of teachers at that school that I had, I think the rest of the educational system
		was not at all helpful.
		It was those two years that gave me pretty much everything I needed
		in terms of a work ethic, taking myself seriously,
		learning how to find and discover my own passions.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know one of the things I learned in school is it doesn't, all through public school, it doesn't matter what you know, it matters who you know and fitting in and being popular.
		That was all that fucking mattered because as soon as I became popular I realized no one gives a shit if I know this stuff.
		I can pretty much jive with teachers.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I was never once popular.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I was always the total outcast.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Every time, forever and ever.
		When I was like 14, I was like, I don't care about my grades anymore.
		I want to be popular.
		That was all I cared about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But that's fine.
		That's fine.
		Being respected and liked amongst your peers and wanting social acceptance is a fine thing.
		It's a huge part of success in real life, too.
		It's an issue of what are you doing to achieve it?
		And schools don't foster anything to achieve it.
		Sometimes it's sports.
		That's good.
		Here's the first problem with mechanized learning facilities.
		What happens when one kid knows all of his multiplications perfectly?
		Sit down and shut up.
		Other kids are learning.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The other kids get annoyed with the kid because he's too smart.
		They're like, know it all over here.
		Won't stop raising his hand.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not even that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I experienced it first hand.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You don't have to raise your hand when you know it.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		It's just that you get bored as fuck because you're just sitting there and you're like, I know the thing.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		And then you get in trouble for it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got in trouble so many times for being able to do math in my head.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I have no answer for this.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, show your work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I actually told the teacher, I was smarter than her.
		Because I told the story before about negatives and I can see I can like visualize that I got a friday detention just like without any emotion They call it they call detention second chance.
		That's what it was called.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Oh my goodness.
unidentified		Oh, that's insidious insulting Aaron what was your school life like?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I grew up in Canada, and so Canada's different because there's way less people and there is more resources put into the system.
		I think in part because there's way less people that they have to take care of.
		And in Canada, there are higher taxes.
		And also, in Canada, you don't have the stratified system.
		Private schools, when I was growing up, were very, very rare.
		It was basically like there was a private Jewish school, there was a private Christian school, but everyone else went to public school.
		For me, it was great.
		I had one bad teacher that actually me and my friends rebelled against and he was removed because he was so terrible.
		But otherwise, I had great teachers and I've always gone to public school and I think, you know, yes, I couldn't define photosynthesis tonight.
		Although after I thought about it, I think I got it.
		But anyway, it's too late now.
		Regardless, I had a good experience and I want everyone to have at least a good experience.
		And I do agree that things have changed now.
		We need to teach people more practical skills.
		That's not happening.
		And I also know that the studies show that homeschooling does lead to better results.
		That's documented.
		But the problem is, that's not scalable.
		Like, not everyone can be homeschooled.
		In fact, for many kids, the problem is like, what if their home situation, not just in their own home, but around them, is really, really bad?
		And school is actually a refuge for them from a really tough environment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a big problem if we're saying school is going to serve as like a juvenile therapeutic.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		It does though sometimes.
		It should not.
		But it could.
		Why not?
		Because otherwise you're leaving these kids totally alone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The inverse argument is kids who live in a good house are abused by the teachers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So just because you're arguing a teacher could be good doesn't mean they're good.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Do you think for the most part teachers are abusive?
		Yes, 100%.
		All of them.
		This again comes down to our perspective.
		You have these generalizations about how people are, and obviously they're from experience.
		Mine has been totally different.
		So how do we reconcile these two totally different worldviews and the nature of people?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think you come from a leftist view, and my opinion of your view is naivety.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What does abusive mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A teacher who is cold and indifferent towards a student.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		is abusive.
		A kid who is going into a school where they're neglected, ignored, talked down to, treated inferior, that is not a good situation.
		That is the overwhelming majority of American schools.
		That's why it is generationally a trope.
		School sucks is a phrase that is known to people.
		There are good teachers But if you ask a teacher or a teacher's union, they're going to claim they're good.
		If you ask the students, they're all going to say the same thing.
		Miss so-and-so sucks.
		Why do the kids hate the teacher?
		That's so weird.
		Why is it that when I was a little kid, I hated my teachers, except for one, but my guitar teacher was awesome?
		Private guitar teacher.
		My mom paid him money.
		The guy wanted to make sure that I was having a good time and I was learning guitar.
		And so when he said, I should learn Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, I said, I want to learn The Kids Aren't Alright by The Offspring.
		And he laughed and he said, good luck, kid.
		Let's get it.
		And then he said, he played it for me.
		He looked at the tab book.
		He said, give it a shot.
		All right.
		Next week when you come back, you're going to play me this riff.
		And I was like, this is cool.
		This guy, this guy was fun.
		He was, we were rocking.
		We were having a blast.
		And then ultimately I was like, I don't know why I don't want to do lessons.
		I just started playing and I learned what I wanted to learn.
		But that was a, that was a good dude.
		That was a good dude.
		Why is it that so many kids hate their teachers?
		Why is it a trope that a kid will say, my teacher sucks?
		Why is it that so many parents are like, your teacher doesn't suck, you're just a little... Why are they not believing the kids when the kids are saying the schools are bad and they're causing them problems?
		When we're looking at a continuing problem of younger generations with scores dropping in schools, the US slipping, it's clearly broken!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there's this low-hanging fruit shit where the teacher has to cater to the weakest student and then the smart ones are waiting for it to finish.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What were you going to say?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's also a reflection of the culture it's in.
		And right now we have a culture where kids' brains are being warped by phones and their attention spans are just negligible.
		I'm lucky my brain developed before really cell phones and the internet were a thing.
		So I'm lucky that way.
		And that's an issue.
		But the answer to me is not punishing teachers for that and punishing the school system for that.
		For me, it's doubling down on actually making the system reflect this changing time and putting more resources into it.
		I mean, look, either you're a good teacher or you're a bad teacher.
		That's just pretty clear.
		But to what extent are some of these struggles in schools a reflection of there being way too big classrooms, kids that need more support, special needs kids don't have it, and there's not enough resources?
		And if there were resources, I think you would see a major difference there.
unidentified		So what happens if, um... Here's a question for you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Real quick.
		Somebody opens a, uh, uh, um... Let's just, let's, uh, uh, uh, uh... A Biltong shop.
		And they make the worst fucking Biltong.
		In fact, everyone in the neighborhood says, John's Biltong sucks.
		What happens to that Biltong shop?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		It closes down.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So why won't we do that for the small business then?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Aaron Matic comes up and says let's give them more money.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Well yes, but let's address what the problem is and try to fix it.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I mean that's what you would do if you're doing genuine oversight.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So why won't we do that for the small business then?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why is it that the business just fails?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Because it's a private enterprise and we do have a public system where certain rights,
		like certain services are deemed to be so important to the public good that it's established
		that we provide them, like education.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I agree, but clearly, if the government says, we want to distribute, frozen on a biltong is, we're eating it, it's South African style drinking.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		It's fantastic.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's really good.
		And so, if the state says, we want someone to pave the roads, And then a month later, there's buckets of molasses poured in the streets, and we're like, hold on there a minute.
		This is not what we paid you to do.
		All of a sudden, you're coming up and be like, I propose we give them more money to address the problem and figure out if we can do it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, we need to make classrooms smaller, but the problem about learning is it's opt-in.
		If a kid doesn't want to learn it, then you can't make them learn it.
		They'll just sit there and wait for you to stop talking and then go do stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I disagree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kids can be made to want to learn.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can build cultures around creating... Ian, you're gonna hear my idea and you're gonna be like, Tim's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You ready for this one?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Treat schools like RPG video games.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I would love to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now here's how it works.
		When you start school, there's no grade levels.
		There are class levels.
		And the students have math level one.
		They have reading level two.
		They have English level three.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		This is like a Montessori program.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so there you go.
		And so what you do is, When you decide to take the test, you make it fun.
		And then you can have the teacher, in like a Kung Fu outfit, being like, you think you can best me to advance to level 5 math?
		Take the test!
		The kid can choose to take the test whenever they want, and if they pass, they advance to the next level.
		Then, students aren't saying, what grade are you in?
		I'm in 5th grade, I'm in 6th grade.
		It's one kid's- So here's a problem, I knew a kid, super fucking good at basketball.
		Super dumb as a box of rocks.
		So they held him back two years, and I'm like, the kid's clearly gifted when it comes to physical capabilities in sports.
		Why are you treating him like a moron instead of... So what would happen?
		In this school, he would be gym level 12, the star of the basketball team, and he'd be math and reading level 3 or whatever.
		And he'd be like, yeah, I try really hard with the math stuff.
		I'm working on it.
		But everyone would be like, yeah, but you're like the best basketball player and everyone knows it.
		And so you let the kids advance, and what this does is not only does it give them a gamified system of wanting to learn, hey man, this next level, you're gonna get a free pizza at Pizza Hut, whatever it is we do.
		You're gonna- you're gonna get, you know, to the gold tier, and then you're gonna be- Get tokens that you can use to check out books.
		And this is why video games work, because it triggers dopamine.
		It does.
		You give someone a goal, you give them a visible, mathematical, choice-based opportunity, and they take it.
		So what do they do?
		They sit in their fucking computers for 16 hours playing video games.
		Do the same thing for school, let kids decide when they want to try to advance, and a kid might fail, and they can be like, you can literally take the test again right now if you want, and then advance!
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so you don't want to abolish the school system.
		You want to change it to meet kids' needs and to be more realistic for that.
		Okay, sure.
		I'm fine with that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The first thing we've got to do is we've got to get rid of the... There is a massive cancerous tumor that is the Department of Education.
		It is a money vacuum that homogenizes things in bad ways.
		You've got to cut the cancer off and start a new one.
unidentified		So I was just thinking, you were talking about how much money is spent... But would you agree with the premise of having some department at all?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Like of education to... We don't need a federal department of education at all.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		So it should be what, at the state level, like... No, no, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Coin toss.
		It could go either way.
		If the proposal is, we will abolish the DOE right now and suspend all funding.
		Wait one year, and then someone else can propose a program which we vote on and pass legislation.
		I'm totally fine with that.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		So you were talking about how someone was saying that we spend more on education than on the military.
		on the military.
		So in 2022, it looks like we spent $877 billion on the military.
		And I was just doing a little, it was hard to get an accurate number
		of how much we actually spend on education, but we spend something like,
		across the country, depending on where you are, there's different amounts,
		but it looks like we spend something like $823,000 $23,000 per student.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		800,000 per year per student?
		Does that make sense?
		No.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Because if we have, because it depends on where you are.
		So New York, you spend 30,000 per student.
		Do you mean in their lifetime?
		K-12, 24,000 per year per student.
		That makes sense, yes.
		So yeah, so 823,000 per student.
		There's 55 million K-12 students in the U.S., which gets me, and maybe my math is off.
		I mean, I didn't do great in stupid math, but whatever.
		Which gets me to about $46 trillion per year.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, per 12 years.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So that would be $2 trillion per year?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		No, 12?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		$3 trillion per year?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, per student per year.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		So like, New York spends $30,000 per student per year.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would love it if overnight every single teacher in the country was fired from their job.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that'd be horrible.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Why?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Mass unemployment, that'd be terrible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah, okay, let me rephrase it.
		I would be fine if overnight every single teacher got a... Different job?
		Comparable job somewhere else and left.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		But don't you recognize that so many teachers are wonderful and do a great job?
		That is an assumption.
		I know a lot of them.
		Are you saying that you don't know one teacher who does a good job?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I had one good teacher.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		You know one.
		But how about in your life now?
		Plenty of people out there working in the education system.
		Is there no one in your current circle or someone you've come across?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not that, it's like, if there's a factory that smashes hamsters, and you're like, why are they doing this?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they're like, we don't know, we're just funded by the government to do it.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		They pull a hamster and whack it.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		This guy's really good at smashing hamsters.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, how about this, how about not smashing?
		My view of this is, the government keeps funding a program where a guy tosses a hamster in the air and whacks it with a tennis racket, and then when you ask him, why are you doing this?
		He's like, government pays me to do it.
		And you're like, maybe you should stop, what's the purpose of this?
		Tenderizing hamster.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No idea.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, okay, this guy should not have a job.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, that way the hamster is better at running around the wheel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kids are failing at math.
		Kids are failing at reading.
		Kids think school sucks.
		They're not learning.
		They're not passionate.
		They hate work.
		They hate school.
		Not every single student, but too many of them have it either indifferent or negative view.
		And the average teacher has an indifferent to cold predisposition.
		This is a massive failure and waste of money.
		What if you got... Pod learning.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you got a 3.0 for the year, you get to cast your vote on which teacher gets fired that year.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And every year, all the 3.0 or higher students get to send one off the island.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I also wonder, you know what really bothers me too?
		We have so many school shootings that have emerged over the past couple of decades.
		And no one ever brings up the school as a component.
		It's always either it's mental health or it's guns.
		And I'm like, did you ever wonder why it is some people go to schools even though they're out of school and just unload on teachers?
		Maybe something is wrong with these institutionalized learning facilities.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you, Aaron, did you have a group of friends in school?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like a tight group of friends?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I did.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Me too.
		And that's when it got cool.
		I hated it before that.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I hear you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So a lot of the ostracization, sorry, were you going to say something?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, no.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I agree, and there are school shooters who have been bullied.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was Columbine, I mean it was a huge component of it.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Sure, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		These are prisons.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Michael Malice said, one of the first places a person will experience violence is in a public school, and he is correct.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, that's for sure.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I remember when I was in kindergarten, Henry exposed himself to me under the play structure.
unidentified		Wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No parents around, no adults around.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look at this kid who just got killed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He got beaten to death in a fight.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was thinking about this at this high school.
		This is the story we kicked off the segment with, but that what is this is high school.
		So like 14 year old girls and 17 year old boys.
unidentified		Yep.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Cause that's like a giant man gone through puberty with like a little girl who maybe hasn't yet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And what happened in Loudoun County is the girl got raped.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she got raped in the bathroom.
		But by the time you're 14 and like if you have your period and stuff like that's, you know, I know it's sort of boring to say or whatever, but like that sucks and it's super traumatizing and it's gross and everything about it is really unpleasant.
		And you end up, if you're in the washroom at school and you have your period, a lot of times you're going to end up with blood on your hands.
		And then you have to like wash your hands in front of boys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, so the first thing we do is- Gross!
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That's even worse.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We separate boys and girls' skulls completely, then we make it so that women aren't allowed to work, then we repeal the 19th Amendment, and finally we institute the Mosaic Morality Police to go in and make sure all of it's being upheld.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you've thought this through.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Suddenly it's just the Iranian Revolution right here in the United States.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think about work.
		I think like we're all working right now.
		Our bodies are constantly working.
		So how do you maneuver that work to get ahead in life?
		That's really the way people should look at it.
		You're always working.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people aren't always working.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		They're just sitting on their butts.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's just like pumping energy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Your body is just constantly working to keep you up.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Who sells their burning ATP to keep you alive.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's the people that are like, I hate that word, work, work.
unidentified		It's like, dude, no, man, it's a scientific term.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is what I want you to look at.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		The thing that I don't- Do you know what this is?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is a Far Side comic.
		Gary Larson.
		This is from a long time ago.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love this!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's a kid playing a video game and his parents are looking lovingly while imagining help wanted.
		Nintendo expert needed.
		$50,000 salary plus a bonus.
		Looking for good Mario Brothers player.
		$100,000 plus your own car.
		The funny thing is...
		Cause this is in the 90s.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That did happen.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It did happen.
		Gary Larson was wrong.
		Anything, you can turn your passion into work.
		You just need a market for it.
		And so the problem is, these young people are like, I don't want to work.
		It's like, dude, can you, can you sing?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people can sing.
unidentified		Not that well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what you do.
		Go outside of a baseball game.
		Wait till the game is letting out and start singing songs you like.
		And you're going to make 200 bucks in an hour.
		That's work.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		What if you don't have that creative ingenuity?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I mean, not everyone has that.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		But there's also a value to work itself.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		There's also a value to taking care of yourself.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why is it that college dropout billionaires have three times the net worth of college graduate billionaires?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		That's a great well because they're obviously such skilled independent thinkers But the question is did did school dumb everybody else down or those dropouts just have that natural creative independent How did humanity make it this far without institutionalized learning facilities?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And how is it now that we have generations of people who don't want to work when previously everybody worked and we're fine with it?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		But how many, did everyone who's contributed to humanity, do you think they came up with it independently on their own, or did their, possibly their education experience?
		Their families.
		Their churches.
		But people who learn physics and engineering, they learn that in schools, and that contributes to humanity.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's not true at all.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Universities are relatively, the ubiquity of universities are new.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A lot of the great inventors that we talk about never went to school for this stuff.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		And good for them, but some people- That's all of them!
		Okay, some of the best inventors, you're right, came to it on their own, but some people- Engineers.
		Some people, engineers, physicists, they go through, doctors, they go through school programs, and they learn, and they learn.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me just tell you the absurdity of, the absurdity of me, at 25 years old, giving guest lectures to PhD courses at various universities.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		You're an exception.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		You're an exception.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm an exception in that I, instead of going to college and asking a guy who doesn't do journalism how to do journalism, I bought a phone, sat down with some guys and said, what's the app we need?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		The remarkable thing about Solve- Could everyone do that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Is that scalable?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		So everyone could achieve the success you've had on the... No, it's not scalable.
		Wrong.
		It's wonderful what you achieved.
		It's really impressive, but it's not scalable.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It is.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		It just isn't.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think society needs leaders and then it needs followers.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what do you think is difficult about pointing a phone at things and talking?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		What is the difference between... Well, because the phone records it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I'm like, what's the barrier for entry?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why can't people do that?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Well, the will, like you have the initiative and the- The willpower.
		Yeah, okay, yes, yes, yes.
		Okay, if everyone put it, but we've seen- School's harder than that.
		But now everybody now points their phone to themselves and talks, and is everyone gonna become a huge success from that?
		No, because there's only so much space for people to develop a big audience.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So what I'm saying is like- So people need to figure out what will work for them to They could.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		They could, but not everyone will be able to figure that out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you're saying that everybody who goes to college for journalism is going to get a job in journalism?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		No, they're not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they're going to be how much in debt?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		No, they're not.
		Listen, I don't recommend going to a college for journalism.
		I think it's a terrible thing to do.
		But that's that one field.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But if the taxpayer's covering the bills of them going to high school, it's fine then.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Yes, because they're not adults yet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, they are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		High school seniors are 18.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Alright, well, they need the chance, while their brains are still developing, I think, to be able to have a baseline education, to learn some basics, to socialize.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe at 4 years old, not at 18.
		The most formative years of a human's life are 0 through 5, and we don't have them in school for that period.
		Then, the next most formative are 5 to 13, and what do we have them doing?
		Mostly nothing bullshit.
		Then high school years where kids should be picking up a trade and learning things because at 18 you're a man and you can go to war and die and smoke cigarettes.
		We have them still in high school doing fucking nothing!
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		When New York implemented universal pre-k, do you think that was a good thing or a bad thing?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know enough about it.
		Okay, well, I mean- The general idea is, like, I think institutionalized learning facilities are broken.
		And it's possible to have them, I suppose, but typically they're always going to skew towards failure that is propped up by government money.
		And what ends up happening is, instead of saying, this failed, let's stop funding it, the government says to the taxpayer, we're taking it from you by force, and there's nothing you can do about it.
		If a system is broken and it can't fail, and the taxpayer is forced to pay for it against their will, like, that's fucked.
		We've got kids suffering and the government, it's, and then you get teachers unions who will never let the system die.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I didn't sign off on funding Israel and the proxy war in Ukraine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Okay.
		So if we're able to apply standards equally.
		But I agree with you on that for the same reason.
		You are consistent on that.
		You are.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We should have some access to discretionary taxes.
		I agree.
		Maybe 60% of your taxes should be discretionary or 30% of them or something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would be willing to bet large sums of money that if I adopted any random kid.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That kid would grow up to be successful.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fair enough.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		And maybe you're right, but the problem is it's not scalable.
unidentified		It is.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's tough because you need two-way interaction.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It literally is scalable.
		The problem is not that humans are incapable.
		The problem is that our culture and society has created fucked up, broken machines that destroy people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We need good teachers, to be honest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you think it's not scalable, then we should abolish school right now.
		Because the idea that we're going to put everyone in a school and it's going to work is impossible by your standard.
		If schools cannot teach people to work and survive, we should get rid of them.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you that something needs to change, and there needs to be more practical life skills taught.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I could've benefited from that.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		There used to be that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Finance, shop, home ec.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I hate home ec and shop.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's go to callers, otherwise, you know, we'll see what they think.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Right on, I agree.
		Everyone on here's got short names, so I can't read your whole names here.
		I'll do my best.
		If I deadname you on Discord, not my bad, all right?
		Bringforthelies, you are live.
		How are you today?
unidentified		Hey guys, how are you doing?
unidentified		I bring forth the lies.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Pardon me.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Um, so my question was directed towards Libby cause this has been something that I've heard her say on quite a few episodes now.
		Um, and I really wanted to kind of ask her about this.
		Um, why are you so strongly opposed to surrogacy?
		There are people out there that it is the only way they can have a child.
		Do you think it's fair to these people to not be able to have the ability to be parents?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I don't think anyone has the right to have a child.
		I don't think that's a, you know, if your body can do that, your body can do that and that's amazing.
		If it can't, I don't know that you necessarily have the right to have a biological child.
		I'm opposed to commercial surrogacy.
		I'm not opposed to altruistic surrogacy, like situations where, you know, a couple can't have a child biologically themselves, and so perhaps, you know, the sister or a friend or what have you volunteers to help that couple.
		I'm not opposed to a volunteer surrogacy situation, an altruistic surrogacy situation.
		A commercial surrogacy situation very easily can and does lead to baby factory type of arrangements where you have a woman who is contracted to rent her body for a period of months in order to, you know, facilitate the child for someone else.
		Now, on the one hand, you could say that a woman has the right to sell her body, and certainly advocates for sex work would say that that is true.
		However, there are substantial differences to selling your body for sex, which also I'm not in favor of, and selling your body for surrogacy, which also I'm not in favor of.
		And there are, these are some of those circumstances.
		When a woman is contracted to be a surrogate, she has to already have undergone at least one pregnancy.
		You're not allowed to be a first-time pregnant person and be a surrogate.
		And the reason for that is to make sure that your body is capable of Carrying a child to term.
		What that means, however, is that you are already a mother.
		So you are now in a situation where you are carrying someone else's child while you have likely another child in the home.
		I think that that's pretty unpleasant for that child who's already in the home to see someone who otherwise would be their sibling essentially being sold to someone else.
		Also, when you're a surrogate, you are taking, the embryo is not your own egg.
		In some cases it is your own egg, in which case you're literally selling your own child, but the egg, the embryo is not your own, so you have to take a substantial number of drugs in order to facilitate that.
		You have to take IVF medication to make sure that You know, because it's IVF, basically.
		So you have to take all the IVF drugs, which is all these heavy-duty hormones.
		That takes a substantial period of time and is very rough on the body.
		You also have to take, after implantation, you have to take the same drugs that a person would take after receiving an organ that's not theirs, to prevent organ rejection, because your body will naturally reject the egg of another woman.
		So you have to take those drugs.
		That's a months-long process to do that.
		Also, in many cases with surrogacy, you are implanted with multiples and that's to ensure that at least one of the children survives and it's to lower costs for the couple who is purchasing the child and renting the woman.
		So that's another thing.
		Multiple pregnancies are substantially more dangerous.
		So now you have a number of things that are contributing to the danger of the situation.
		Also in the United States, a lot of women who undergo surrogacy and become surrogates are married.
		So I, you know, my personal morality looking at a nuclear family where a woman is selling her body and you have a husband in the home, I think that would be substantially emasculating and you have many men who have come out and spoken against that.
		There have been many men also who have come out and spoken against surrogacy after their wives have died in the surrogacy process.
		Wow.
		And you could talk to Jennifer Law about this, with the Center for Bioethics, who does really amazing work on this.
		And Katie Fowles, who I think was on the show, also in Eastern Europe.
		Just two more things, just two more things.
		In Eastern Europe surrogacy is not legal, so many couples from Western Europe come to the United States to buy their children.
		You also have a situation where, for the child's perspective, you will have, for example, if you have a couple that does not have their own eggs, they will buy an egg from one place, like Ukraine, where the phrase is that you could buy cheap white eggs.
		So you would buy eggs from one place, you would mix them with the sperm from somewhere else, they would be gestated in the surrogate of one country, and then sold to a couple in another country.
		So that's an issue as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But my follow-up Libby is, how do you reconcile your concern for the health of the mother with the fact that women are things?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Right, I mean the fact that women are buyable and saleable objects, of course.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I forgot that part, clearly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're like, when my refrigerator breaks, I'm gonna cry about it.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because we've already gone through the Iranian Revolution, so we're here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I got a question.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		We're here now.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If altruistic surrogacy, you state it was okay, where like someone, a loved one is willing, and then you do it, and then after the baby's born, you give them a big fat tip.
		Huge tip.
		Is that okay?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if that's okay.
		I mean, if that's pre-arranged, I don't think that's okay.
		But the reason that I'm opposed to commercial surrogacy is because I don't think an industry of baby-making is a good thing.
		I don't think that is a moral good thing.
		I do agree to that, Libby.
		What's that?
unidentified		I do agree to that.
unidentified		I think what would help is if you were to specify between the two.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I typically do that.
		Yeah, I typically do that, but it's misconstrued.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Just because as somebody that I've been with my wife, I've known my wife since we were 10 years old.
		We've been together since we were 12.
		We're now 38.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That's wonderful.
unidentified		Congrats, bro.
		A year after we got married, I was diagnosed with testicular cancer.
		We cannot have a child from me.
		Um, she has some autoimmune diseases that make it hard for her to carry the term.
		She has almost died from that before.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That's terrible.
unidentified		And so for us, the only option is surrogacy.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's also- Would be her eggs.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		And we do have One of her best friends has said, I want to do this for you.
		One of her best friends has five kids already.
		I want to do this for you.
		I've never had a complication.
		So I feel like differentiating between the two, when you say you're against surrogacy, would really be beneficial.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Because it is kind of, They're hugely different things.
		I agree.
		I think that's very different.
		Like the one commercial surrogacy, a lot of the issue for me is that then you have a baby making and selling industry.
		And I don't think we should have baby making and selling industries, but altruistic surrogacy has as something that has been with us for a very long time.
		Even if you go back into like looking at biblical times, you know, you had Abraham and, um, Wasn't it Sarah?
		Abraham and Sarah.
		And you know, uh, her handmaiden was a surrogate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why we named the rooster Isaac.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because his mom was Sarah.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That's really cute.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is there another Ishmael?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We gotta, we gotta find an Ishmael.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So I do, I do actually try and make that differentiation a lot.
		It's often just not made, but when I'm asked, yes, I definitely will make that distinction.
		Also adoption is something that's kind of amazing in my family.
		Okay.
		I'm sorry.
		I've taken up a lot of time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we definitely got to move to some colors.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was deep, because I didn't know you had a differential between commercial and offer.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a big difference.
unidentified		Good to know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was awesome.
unidentified		Thanks, dude.
		Um, I've heard you try to find the right word in a bunch of your videos now.
		The plural of kibbutz is kibbutzim.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Kibbutzim, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Say that one more time.
unidentified		Kibbutzim, yeah.
unidentified		Kibbutzim.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Not kibbutz, kibbutzim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kibbutz, I-M.
unidentified		Kibbutzim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ah, got it.
unidentified		That's the plural.
		I-M is plural in Hebrew for any masculine word.
		There you go.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Nice.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		True.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I didn't know you guys in Hebrew had masculine and feminine.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's interesting.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Elohim?
unidentified		And plural?
		Seven is ah.
		A-H.
		I'm asking in as I am, Ian.
		Okay, right on. Thanks for calling in. Cheers, brother.
		Thank you All right next up
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Again, can't read the name. I'm gonna go by what it says dancing
unidentified		dancing okapi I hope they ask Libby about surrogacy.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I hope not.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air, how are you?
unidentified		Hopefully my question isn't as controversial, but thanks for taking my call everyone.
		My question is primarily for Tim, but you know, it's open for anyone.
		Why do you think Shapiro is so critical of Vivek?
		Like, I know that there's rumors that he or the Daily Wire are kind of in bed with the DeSantis camp.
		Um, but he's made comments about the vague changing stances and he's theatrical with no solutions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So well, Ben, Ben was opposed to Trump early on there.
		You know, Daily Wire guys are more mainstream conservative.
		I wouldn't call him necessarily neocon or anything like that, but close in some respects in some of their positions.
		So for Ben and for many of the guys at The Daily Wire, yeah, Ron DeSantis is your guy, and Vivek is more Trumpian.
		So, if you're concerned about this populist upstart, you know, kind of Trump- Trumpian stuff and MAGA, Vivek is very much in line with that.
		But Ben and everyone else got behind Trump because he was the Republican candidate, he became, you know, he was the nominee who won, he became president, and then they basically said, okay, it's this or nothing, so that's what they went for.
		Now, given the option, I'm not surprised they're going for Ron DeSantis, despite the obvious shortcomings of the DeSantis campaign, and the failures that come along with wearing three-inch lifts in your cowboy boots.
unidentified		Yep.
		So, what, um, he, the specific claim that Vivek doesn't have any real solutions, I've heard him in long-form podcasts, and he seems to lay it out.
		Do you think it's just him kind of shilling for DeSantis, or do you think he just hasn't sat down to listen to Vivek speak about Well, I mean, it's Ben's opinion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If he thinks the things that Vivek have said are not real solutions, then it's his opinion to say he has no solutions.
		I have no problem with that.
		It'd be a great conversation, in fact.
		I think if you were to ask Ben this question, he'd give you a very well thought out answer as to what his point was.
		Ben's a smart guy, and he's an excellent master debater.
		Yeah, look, I disagree with Ben, but I know that every time I've interacted with him, if you're like, hey, how come this, Ben?
		He'll break it down for you.
		That's what he's famous for doing, you know?
		So, if he's speaking on his show, I think it's fair to be like, I don't understand what he's saying, Vivek has laid these things out.
		He should answer the questions, but does he do call-ins?
unidentified		I don't know.
unidentified		No, Ben.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I don't know.
		I know that if you went to like one of his speaking events and at the Q&A asked him exactly this, he'd give you a logical breakdown of what he means and you'd understand.
		Ben's the facts-don't-care-about-your-feelings guy.
		With all due respect, unless it comes to Israel, but I'm pretty sure he can give you a very simple, logical answer.
		I just think he's wrong.
		That's fine.
		I think Vivek's answers are the best.
		I think he demolishes the debates.
		I think there are some high-profile personalities who are probably on the payroll.
		I don't think The Daily Wire is, but I do think The Daily Wire did market their member list.
		I could be wrong about that.
		Is that true?
		I don't know.
		I thought I heard something about the Daily Wire sells their email list as an advertising option.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's totally normal.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so they may have done that with DeSantis' campaign, I think.
		And they got accused of being paid by the DeSantis campaign.
		And then Jeremy Boren was like, we offer up our advertising list to all sorts of companies.
		That's quite literally...
		A sponsorship thing.
		And so, like, when you sign up for their email list, like, I agree to receive promotions and stuff.
		That's the point.
		I think that's all they did.
		I don't think that's why they would shell for DeSandis.
		I think they genuinely think DeSandis is better.
		Like, I've talked to him about it.
		They really do like the guy.
		I like DeSandis, too.
		It's just his campaign is fucking apocalyptic.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		His campaign is really a disaster.
		I like Vivek, also.
		Every debate, I think he's been really strong.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If Ron fired his campaign staff, just and brought on people who are also not that good, I'd
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		be forgiving. I'd be like, no, that's good. You got to do what you got to do. But the fact
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		that he keeps these people on, it's just he keeps them on. And then they start going after
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		everybody on Twitter. And you're just like, why are you wasting your time on this? This is not
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		something anybody we've had people on this show who are not who are not in the Trump versus Santa
		space.
		I don't want to say who they are.
		Conservative leaning people who don't get involved in that and they say, look man, all I care about is, you know, pushing back on the wokeness and stuff like this.
		And they're getting attacked by DeSantis people.
		It's just so weird.
		But anyway, I hope that answers your question to the best of my ability.
		Anything else to add?
unidentified		No, that's everything.
		Thanks.
		Have a good night, everyone.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
		Cheers.
		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for calling in.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		All right.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I love how all of Trump's former people now totally diss him.
		Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, Nikki Haley, they all say he's unfit for office.
		And that's because he appointed a bunch of neocons who wanted to undermine everything he ran on.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't really care too much what Nikki Haley has to say about Trump, to be honest.
		Let's see.
		Not Heisenberg.
		That's a funny one.
		How are you?
unidentified		Yes.
		I'm good, right?
		Thank you for coming on 10Cast, Aaron.
		Really appreciate it, and for taking my question.
		Until recently, I was an avid watcher of Useful Idiots.
		I recognize the Israeli-Palestine questions have already been addressed a few times, and I notice that you're very critical of Israel in all of your work.
		What do you feel like is a realistic solution to the current crisis for long-term peace and a resolution to the 75-year-long conflict?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I talked about it earlier.
		I talked about it earlier on the show, but just to briefly summarize, to me, ideally, if I could design the perfect solution in an ideal world, it would be equality for everybody.
		And Palestinians who were kicked out of their homes in 1948 either get the right of return or get compensated for it.
		But that's not going to happen because Israel's nuclear weapons is not going to give up its claim to be a Jewish state.
		It just won't.
		So I think the best solution is removing all the West Bank settlements.
		Move everyone who's in these settlements into Israel proper and the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza and Compensate all these Palestinian refugees and their families and their descendants for the homes that were lost and that's the best That's the solution that most of the world supports The only people who are the main opponents of it are the US and Israel and if that were to change I think it can make a huge difference I mean, I don't know where the money's going to come from in this situation.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Do you have an idea where that would come from?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Well, we spend so much money on arming Israel and there's so much money put into maintaining the occupation.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		So do we divert from current spending towards that?
		Yeah, which I agree with.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's not really about money.
		Money's not going to get houses built.
		You actually need materials.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Do you want the U.S.
		to pay for it?
		Is that what you're saying, Eric?
unidentified		How do we have a situation where these people can live next to each other?
		Because like the Gazans and the West Bagans, they're all, the Palestinians, they're all brainwashed to hate Israel, to martyr, to destroy Israel.
		They want everything, they want the entire land, right?
		How do you realistically create a state in which your neighbors want to kill you?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		You know plenty of states have lived next to each other that have previously been in total states of war have gone
		on to peace I mean look at Europe like France and England. They I mean
		well. Yeah, there's there's Ireland and England, oh boy!
		There's peace there now.
		But you have to establish, to have peace, you have to have a baseline of respect for everybody.
		And right now, there's no respect for Palestinian rights.
		There isn't.
		That's the situation.
		There's an occupation.
		And the West Bank, to be a Palestinian, it's horrible.
		But it's so horrible for Gaza right now that the West Bank is even being ignored.
		So the first thing you would do is address the occupation.
		From that, you never know what could happen from that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got an idea.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Common language.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I got a really good idea.
		Hamas should open a casino in Gaza.
		And then all the people in Israel are going to be like, dude, let's go to Gaza!
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		They tried that in the 90s.
		There was talk of that.
		I think there even was a casino in the West Bank.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Really?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there was.
		But again, the problem there was Israel refused to give up its settlement building.
		So even in the 90s, when you had this year of the so-called peace process, The settlement population doubled and Israel didn't dismantle
		its settlements. It kept building them up because they were never actually interested in
		making peace on serious terms.
		So once you reverse that, you could open up the possibility for peace. I'm not saying it's easy,
		but anything is better than the current approach of the last 75 years.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You get a casino built.
unidentified		But don't you feel like there's like nobody at all that is motivated for peace, right?
		All of the Arab states and Persian, Iran, next door, nobody wants peace.
		You know, honestly, it's not in Israel's interest, it's not in the Palestinians' interest, it's not in the rest of the Arab states' interest.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Listen, Google Arab Peace Initiative 2002, okay?
		In 2002, Saudi Arabia put out a proposal, it's called the Arab Peace Initiative.
		Offering Israel full relations with all the Arab states In return for Israel withdrawing from the West Bank and Gaza and allowing the creation of a Palestinian state there and finding a just resolution to the refugee issue.
		It didn't say let everybody back.
		It said find a just resolution.
		Israel rejected that.
		Hamas at one point even accepted it.
		Now Hamas didn't say we'll recognize Israel, but Hamas said we'll accept the state within the 67 borders, which means the West Bank and Gaza.
		Iran said they would respect it even in 2017.
		You can look that up.
		It's Israel.
		As a colonial power that won't give up its desire to control all that land.
		That's the problem here.
unidentified		You also know that the same thing has happened on the other side, that Arafat rejected the Camp David Accords.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Do you know who else rejected the Camp David Accords?
		Look this up.
		Shlomo Ben-Ami.
		He was the Foreign Minister of Israel at Camp David.
		He was on the negotiating team.
		And he said during an interview that I was there for, when I was working for Democracy Now!, he said if I were Palestinian, I would have rejected Camp David as well.
		And I understand why you think that Arafat rejected this generous deal, but that's because we've been lied to.
		Clinton lied.
		All these people have lied.
		The offer at Camp David would have kept the major West Bank settlement blocks.
		It would have cut off Palestinians from Jerusalem.
		They wouldn't even have control over East Jerusalem.
		They would have control over an adjacent suburb that they could rename East Jerusalem if they wanted to.
		That offer was a joke, and it's been...
		The only reason we don't know otherwise is because we've been lied to so many times.
		And that lie is used to justify Israeli expansionism.
unidentified		Yeah, my problem is I think you feel like it's just one side, it's both sides.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I do feel it's one side, because one side is occupying the other.
		And that doesn't mean I endorse the tactics that Hamas undertakes.
		And purely from a Palestinian point of view, in terms of what's best for their liberation, I think Hamas really set them back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Were you in favor of Germany reclaiming the lands that were lost after the end of World War I?
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm not familiar with that history.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, basically what starts World War II is Hitler saying, like, these are the lands Germany lost after- Sudetenland as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the Sudetenland.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Okay, no, I do not support that, no.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Why not?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what do you mean?
		Those were ethnic Germans who were being oppressed by other countries.
		So after World War I, Germany gets put in a massive debt in these treaties, particularly with France, and that stripped a bunch of their land away, which was ethnically German, given other countries and these people were being oppressed.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		They spoke German.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then they spoke German.
		So Hitler said, I'm taking this back.
		It's our land.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Okay, but Hitler's goal was not just to take back some disputed land.
		He wanted to exterminate all the Jews in the world, along with Gypsies and everyone else.
		And he also wanted to go way further than that.
		He wanted to basically dominate the planet.
		And I don't think you can say the same thing about Hamas.
		Hamas is trying to liberate their own territory, which was taken from them.
		No, they're trying to destroy Israel, right?
		To get rid of all of Israel.
		That's in their charter, yes.
		And that's what they say, it's true.
		But they actually changed their charter in 2017.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm not going to believe them.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Okay, fair enough.
		But there was a period when they said we'd accept a state in the 6-7 borders.
		And maybe they were lying the whole time.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		In 2017, they took out the reference to the elders of Zion.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, okay.
		And so one option, look, there are plenty of people who said we should engage with Hamas and see what they, and see, like for example, the former head of Mossad said we should engage with Hamas.
		He wrote an article about this in the Washington Post.
		There was a plenty of talk about that.
		It was Israel who insisted on sticking to this extremist position that no, all this land is ours.
		And as long as you have that position, you're always gonna have people trying to resist you.
		So if you don't like what Hamas does, take away the reason Why they're launching all these military actions and your occupation.
		Give them at least some of their land back.
		Not all of it.
		That's not possible anymore, I realize.
		But at least start with the position of letting Palestinians have a state and 22% of their land, which is for them is a huge compromise already.
unidentified		I have a solution.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		My solution is that Egypt should take over Gaza, and that Jordan should take over the West Bank.
unidentified		road here? Yeah, so my solution is that Egypt should take over Gaza and that
		Jordan should take over the West Bank and we need Israel to negotiate with
		nation-states and with people that are ruled by terrorist organizations.
		That's it.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		That's actually quite a good solution.
unidentified		Yeah.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I would agree with that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They're just going to give away their land to other countries.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, actually both of these territories were controlled by, uh, was it Transjordan at the time?
unidentified		Yes.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		And then they were taken over in the war in 67 I think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, man.
		Well, appreciate it.
		Thanks for, thanks for calling in.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, dude.
unidentified		Thank you.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Cheers, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So are you, are you familiar with the, uh, was it Havara?
		Havara agreement?
		No.
		Nazi Germany and German Jews agreed that Germany would allow them to leave and go to Palestine.
		I just looked it up.
		I don't know anything about it.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about that.
		I do know there were some... I haven't looked into this, but there was talk of some Zionist...
		Collusion with Nazis, which I've heard about.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the Nazis wanted the Jews out of the country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if it was collusion more so that Jews who were being persecuted were like, please just let us leave.
		We'll go here instead.
		And they were like, get the fuck out.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		It was 1933.
		Yeah, but I also know that the U.S.
		really did not want Jews to come here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, nobody wanted them.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		And Jewish groups here work very hard to keep out Jewish refugees from the U.S.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		so they can all go to Palestine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's grab that last caller there.
unidentified		Yes, indeed.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Shadowbox Design, you are back with us.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		How's it going, bro?
unidentified		It's going good.
unidentified		Are you guys okay if I just share my own personal experience with homeschooling just real quick since I've been homeschooling my whole life?
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Would love to hear it.
unidentified		Okay.
		So, I'm 21.
		I've started two businesses.
		I've had a couple successful clothing drops on one business.
		I've made thousands with my art business.
		My brothers are both successful.
		One is a single income house raising a daughter with his wife.
		One's a salaried manager at a major retail company.
		I know plenty of people who have had great experiences with homeschooling.
		I've also seen the bad side.
		And honestly, I do think that there's more good than harm.
		And I think that in public schooling, it's more harm than good.
		So I don't, I'm not here to offer a solution for that.
		I just want to put it out there that I think that homeschooling will set more people up for success, but in public school, the people who succeed out of that are typically the ones that have to break away from their education.
		Rather than with homeschooling, the people who succeed are successful because of their education.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That proves it!
unidentified		Yeah.
		I mean, I'm not here to say, you know, the guest is 100% wrong.
		I respect your opinion, but I am just going to say, you know, I have not seen a single person who is homeschooled.
		Even the one person I know who is homeschooled in a poor way, his mother didn't really teach him much.
		He still ended up going on and starting his own business and getting a GED.
		So that way he could have some sort of diploma and went on and, you know, he raises his kids now, like with his wife.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a lot of self-sufficiency that you're talking about.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's really great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, thanks for calling in and we'll see how it goes.
unidentified		I was like, wait a minute.
		I'm gonna ask my question now.
		So, a question for the panel.
		With the dramatic shifts happening in the political landscape in this last year and the decline of Joe Biden's front-runner status in the Democratic Party, how much time do you believe the Democrats truly have before it's too late to build up a new candidate?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Two months?
		No, actually more than that.
		Four months?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Two months, because March is when the primaries- Super Tuesday.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They got the media that's going to be 24-7 Gavin Newsom's hair gel, but it's two months.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe they want to wait until the very last minute for some Joe Biden collapses thing, because then there's no time for opposition research and an attack on Gavin Newsom.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they don't need to have anybody in a primary.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		The Democrats don't need to primary anybody.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because they're an evil cabal.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		They can just pick who they want at their convention in the summer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		And they could just go for it.
		I like that.
		And then just push them onto the ballot.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It'd be funny if Obama just shows up and they're like, but you can't be president.
		You were president twice.
		Go and stop me.
		And then he just runs anyway.
		And then everyone's like, what do we do?
		And it's like, I guess, I guess.
unidentified		And then no one does anything to stop him.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That would be such a coup.
unidentified		That would be horrible.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So think about this.
		The only, like, here's what's gonna help everybody.
		understanding that human rules mean fuck all.
		And that's exemplified every day by what Democrats are doing
		with Donald Trump in court and Russiagate.
		The rules that we put in place are just fancy things that we think we should do.
		The only things that really matter, natural laws.
		Now we want to function in a cohesive society, but the fact remains that if Barack Obama ran for president
		and then the media said that he was president, no one would do shit, no court would touch it,
		Even though he was in violation of the, what is the rules?
		It's an amendment, right?
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One of the amendments.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		The emoluments clause?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The two terms.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that was after FDR, they came up with that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		After four terms, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I forgot what number it was.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		Four terms, I don't know what the thing is, but that's how many he was.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But my point is, when you have Texas v. Pennsylvania, and the Supreme Court says, fuck us, we're not going anywhere near that, That was nuts.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		The Supreme Court really should have taken that up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's psychotic.
		I know.
		The fact that they didn't is proof to what I'm saying.
		If the media said Obama was president, he'd be president.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not proof.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That'd be very dangerous.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		There's term limits in New York and Bloomberg still got three terms.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You would not get Democrats rejecting it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		Right.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		They just did it anyway.
		Christine Quinn ruined her entire political career.
		She could have been mayor.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But people have a duty to respond through force if their livelihoods are threatened.
		I mean, we're supposed to defend our Constitution through blood and sweat.
		Like, literally.
		So if someone tried to come in and be like, your Constitution doesn't matter anything, Americans, bow down!
		No, it's our job to stand up.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		22nd Amendment.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Uh, limits terms.
unidentified		Huh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, yeah, so I think it's possible that they do the swap-a-roonie right before October.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I fear... I think they'd actually call it swap-a-roonie.
		And I think they could get some good marketing off that.
		There'd be like some dog treats they'd call swap-a-roonies.
unidentified		The old switcheroo.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Right, the switcheroo, the swap-a-roonie.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Gavin Newsome W-do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It may be.
		Here's what happens.
		Here's how you get rid of Kamala Harris.
		In August, Joe Biden has a heart attack on stage and collapses.
		Gavin Newsom runs out and saves him.
		Kamala Harris then steps in as acting president to fulfill the duties as VP but says, Listen, there's no way I can mount a campaign in three months now.
unidentified		Gavin's been on it already.
unidentified		And that's how you get Gavin Newsom.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		She's the worst.
unidentified		She's so dumb.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But yeah, so last minute Biden heart attack or something.
		Kamala says, Realistically, there's no way I can mount a campaign right now and I don't want to lose to Trump.
		I think Gavin is going to have to step up while I feel fit.
		I will not abandon this country to run a presidential campaign three months out.
		That's insane.
		I'm going to do my duty to this country as the first female president, and Gavin Newsom, you should vote for him.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		But don't you think that her ambition would get in the way of that and she would do it anyway?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		She would like go for it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I do not.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		You don't think so?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Nope.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think her ambition is to be on the knees for whoever's in charge.
libby emmons ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I get that vibe with her too.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I would agree with that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, this whole Biden meeting with President Xi is very weird because I feel like he's like, not to be outdone by Gavin Newsom meeting with Xi.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I have to show something, some prowess.
serge du preez ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why he would We gotta wind things down, we're a little over.
unidentified		You guys get it, if I just say a few things real quick?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do it, do it, do it.
unidentified		Alright, so first off, shout out to myself.
		I want to say anybody out there who needs a logo design, branding package, anything, hit me up on Instagram, on Discord.
		I've got plenty of people from the Discord who have already hit me up, I've helped them out, helped them start businesses, it's been great.
		So DM me here on Instagram for that.
		And I wanted to shout out one of my buddies.
		I'm calling on all the TimCast folks.
		We need to get this guy to 1,000 followers on Instagram.
		And I really want you guys to take some of his courses.
		So if you are in the Southern Indiana, Northern Kentucky, or Western Ohio, he does rifle and night vision classes, where you can come out and use the night vision that they have there.
		And you can bring your own rifle.
		They're great classes.
		His Instagram is endlesssearchdevgroup.
		I say that again, it's Endless Search Dev Group.
		He is like ultimate Shadow Band, so unless you type it in perfectly, it doesn't come up.
		So, you know, just shout out to him.
		He's a great guy, you know, great family man.
		I just want him to, you know, feel the love of all you guys.
		And as always, Ian, I love you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I love you too, man.
		And I want to shout the name of your Instagram channel out.
		It's shadowboxdesign.
unidentified		Yeah, shadow.box.design.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for calling in.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And, uh, the last thing is I will read this joke from Bert, who says, what's the difference between iron man and iron woman?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One is a superhero and one is a command.
unidentified		Oh my goodness.
unidentified		Ah, Aaron, thanks for hanging out man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's been a blast.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Great to be here.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for having me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		Even though you got kicked off the train, you made it.
		So that was fun.
aaron mate ▲ ● ▼		It was well worth it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
		And for everybody who's a member, you guys rock.
		Watch Infringed if you haven't already.
		Join the Discord server and hang out.
		Awesome stuff currently in the works.
		Ian's working on our card game.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I was going to talk to you about that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe a little bit after the show.
		Let's get it.
		Let's do it.
		Alright, everybody.
		We got a card game coming really, really soon.
		And we're excited.
		So we'll see y'all tomorrow.

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