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Oct. 24, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Trump Lawyer PLEADS GUILTY, Jenna Ellis Latest To FLIP On Trump w/Kash Patel
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tim pool
Bye.
Jenna Ellis raised somewhere over $200,000 to fight these charges, and is receiving criticism for, in the end, just accepting a plea deal, and then apologizing to the court, saying she regretted everything she did, and one by one, the dominoes fall.
I have trouble understanding how any of these people could have taken the decisions they've had during 2020 and then just flip in the way they did.
But this is going to be somewhat troublesome for Donald Trump.
However, he's also filing to have one of the January 6th cases dismissed on double jeopardy grounds, which is really, really interesting as well.
So we'll talk about that.
Plus, of course, you know, there's like World War 3 stuff happening.
Iran is once again attacking U.S.
targets.
The U.S.
is ramping up its forces in the Mediterranean.
And there's this really funny video going around where this Gen Z guy, it's like he's trying to say he won't be drafted, but then it's basically him begging not to be drafted.
Like, you want me to fight for this country?
I don't want I don't want to do it.
And it's like, oh boy, look, I like very few Gen Z relatively voted, but the ones that did overwhelmingly vote
for Democrats.
So, hey, this is Biden country, baby.
At the very least, if you didn't vote for the guy, well, I'm sorry it's happening to you.
And this is why you got to vote for Donald Trump.
But let's, we'll talk about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Kash Patel.
kash patel
Hey, it's great to be back with you.
Just coming off the heels of my book launch, Yes, Selfish Blood, Government Gangsters.
The Biden administration spent 10 months trying to block its release.
Had to go to federal court and sue to get it out.
unidentified
Wow.
kash patel
You gotta understand what's in there.
Donald Trump launched it on Truth Social a couple weeks ago.
Already a bestseller.
He calls it the roadmap and blueprint for 2024.
Basically, it's how you destroy the deep state.
And I name every government gangster I ever encountered by name and title.
And I also put the government receipts in there.
The Biden administration came back and said, national security secrets can't go to print.
They redacted less than 0.05% of my book at the end of the day.
unidentified
0.05?
kash patel
0.05.
The same seven words eight times over.
unidentified
Really?
kash patel
It's hilarious.
tim pool
Can you not say the words?
kash patel
I can after the show.
It's kind of funny, but like, you know, it's hilarious.
But that's the whole thing, you know, and so go to governmentgangsters.com, get your signed copy today.
Help me crush the deep state.
Right on.
tim pool
Yeah, everybody buy it.
We'll get it to the top.
It's on Amazon.
kash patel
It's on Amazon.
tim pool
We'll get it to number one.
kash patel
Amazon, Target, all that stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, really great.
Thanks for hanging out, man.
It should be a blast.
We got Hannah Clare hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
Hi, I'm Hannah Clare Brimel.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
That's been a fantastic book recommendation.
If the Biden administration doesn't want you to read it, you should buy it immediately.
kash patel
I think so.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I'm with TimCast News and Brett's here also.
unidentified
Yes.
brett dasovic
Hello.
I am Brett Dasvick.
I am the host of Pop Culture Crisis Monday through Friday, 3 p.m.
Eastern Standard Time right here on YouTube.
serge du preez
And I am Serge.com.
I just got a Truth Social account.
Boom!
kash patel
Three new Truth Social users.
serge du preez
Let's go.
Bring it in line right now.
kash patel
It's about to be Donkey Kong on there.
Donald Trump is going bananas on Truth Social and it's just going to get better.
brett dasovic
Time to retruth stuff.
serge du preez
I can't wait to do some retruthing.
hannah claire brimelow
That doesn't sound like propaganda at all.
tim pool
Let's jump into this first story from the New York Times.
Jenna Ellis, former Trump lawyer, pleads guilty in Georgia election case.
Three lawyers indebted with Trump for trying to, uh, three lawyers indebted with Donald Trump for
trying to overturn the 2020 election results will now cooperate with prosecutors in the
racketeering case. I believe this makes four guilty pleas.
And, uh, Sidney Powell got six years in, uh, probation. And then the other three got five
years. Jenna Ellis gets, got five years.
I believe she also got 100 hours of community service and, uh, and pay a fine.
We have the video here.
I'm gonna play it for you.
Let's, uh, yeah, we're gonna listen to what she had to say.
Audio's good?
serge du preez
Yep.
unidentified
Thank you, your honor, for the opportunity to address the court.
As an attorney who is also a Christian, I take my responsibilities as a lawyer very seriously.
brett dasovic
I'm sorry, I can't.
unidentified
And I endeavor to be a person of sound moral and ethical character in all of my dealings.
In the wake of the 2020 presidential election, I believed that challenging the results on behalf of President Trump should be pursued in a just and legal way.
I endeavored to represent my client to the best of my ability.
I relied on others, including lawyers with many more years of experience than I, to provide me with true and reliable information, especially since my role involved speaking to the media and to legislators in various states.
What I did not do, but should have done, Your Honor, was to make sure that the facts the other lawyers alleged to be true were in fact true.
In the frenetic pace of attempting to raise challenges to the election in several states, including Georgia, I failed to do my due diligence.
I believe in and I value election integrity.
If I knew then what I know now, I would have declined to represent Donald Trump in these post-election challenges.
I look back on this whole experience with deep remorse.
For those failures of mine, your honor, I have taken responsibility already before the Colorado bar who censured me.
And I now take responsibility before this court and apologize to the people.
tim pool
So, uh, I, I hope, I hope several other states file criminal charges against her and she goes to prison for a very, very long time.
Did you hear what she said?
She, she confessed to trying to overturn an election, a duly elected Joe Biden.
She confessed to doing it.
No, in all seriousness, I think it's fair to say she's opened the door legally by stating that in Georgia and many other states, she did this.
She did this thing.
And if there are other states in which Democrats have any kind of legal capability, they could Charge her as well.
And then make her go through it all over again.
The biggest mistake all of these people are making, in my opinion, is taking the plea deals.
I've heard a lot of people say, the case against these individuals in Georgia is so weak that the prosecutors didn't want to go to trial.
And I'm like, then you go to trial.
unidentified
Then you say, that's the reason to do that.
tim pool
Yeah, this shows she was terrified.
And so I'll say this.
Just on the surface, if it is true that she and many others knowingly lied to commit this crime, then I think they're getting off easy.
Otherwise, she genuinely believed she was doing her constitutional duty in providing a legal service to an individual who is seeking a redress of grievances, and now she is betraying not just that individual, but this country.
So, in that case, lock her up.
See if I care.
She'll get no defense from me.
And not to mention, and we'll get into it in a little bit, but like the hundreds of thousands of dollars she raised, a lot of people are really upset about this.
You know, what does it mean to give someone's legal defense?
She paid her lawyers with the money.
Does it mean she's taking it all the way?
Some people were saying she should take a plea agreement, but I'm curious what you think, man.
I mean, you worked in the administration.
kash patel
Yeah, look, I was a prosecutor, I was a public defender.
The interesting thing about this entire case, I mean, put aside the fact that I don't think there's a basis to bring it, but let's put that on pause for a second.
And the first three guys out of the gate that flipped are lawyers.
And what does that mean?
What did they actually do?
Having been in the Trump administration and around the boss and literally talking to him every week, these guys didn't really do anything.
So, okay, what are they going to say?
Are they going to break attorney-client privilege, which they don't hold, President Trump holds, and say, and commit a felony and get disbarred and get prosecuted just to say Donald Trump is guilty of X, Y, or Z?
And they're not stupid people.
I think the reason they pled guilty is they know the crimes are bogus, but they came in there with so many slews of felonies.
So it's like, oh, you're looking at 85 years.
We'll get you on one.
And this jury pool sucks.
It's in somewhere in Georgia, that is a county that is like 88% pro Biden.
So they're going to get convicted.
So they're just trying to stay out of jail pleading to misdemeanors.
But I would really like to, you know, and I also looked at- No, no, that's a felony.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure Jenna Ellis was a felon.
kash patel
She pleaded guilty to a felony?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure it was a felony.
kash patel
And I was reading it and I thought it was... Because Sidney Powell was like six misdemeanors and they dropped all her felonies.
hannah claire brimelow
She's the first one to go though.
I mean, they gave her the best deal.
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
I want to check because the story I was reading earlier, I'm pretty sure she was the one that was a single felony, which I thought was interesting.
Yep, yep, yep.
She pleaded guilty to a felony charge, so no more traveling outside the country.
unidentified
Good luck.
hannah claire brimelow
It's one count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings for stuff she said to the Georgia Senate.
kash patel
No, no, if you commit a felony and it's in the favor of the Democratic Party, like Kevin Clinesmith, the FBI attorney who lied to the federal court about CIA documents, he got reinstated to the bar last year and has a seven-figure job now.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, he's more trustworthy to them now.
kash patel
So this is coming along with her book deal and her tell-all and I think it's part of the process
It's why you heard from that White House intern who made her her lies and launched her bogus book
But this is what they do the media captures them and says we're gonna launch you to you know
tim pool
part of me says I don't blame any one of these individuals for taking the deal because
They all took the deal right?
It is a sign of the weakness of the anti-establishment faction in this country that they don't actually stand up for anything.
And then you look at, we talked about this, this famous makeup artist, whatever her name was.
hannah claire brimelow
Her line is Huda Beauty, I can't remember her last name.
tim pool
She posts in favor of Palestine, gets a whole bunch of backlash, and she says, I don't care, don't buy my products, I stand for what I believe in.
And I'm like, man.
kash patel
Okay.
tim pool
I mean, these leftists are willing to just sacrifice everything for their business, their company, their money.
You've got a whole bunch of reports of people getting fired from their jobs.
They don't care.
It's always been this way.
I mentioned this with BLM, the guy who worked at Taco Bell.
Put on a BLM COVID mask and they said, you can't wear that.
And he goes, I refuse to take it off.
And they said, if you don't take it off, you're fired.
And he goes, fine.
Goes outside, films a video and says, I got fired for Black Lives Matter.
And then the company apologized.
Oh, we're so sorry.
What do people on the right do?
They take a plea deal.
What did Jenna Ellis do?
She was a lawyer who was approached by a client who says, here's my argument.
Can you draft this for me?
And she goes, oh yeah, we'll go through it and we'll advise you on it.
And that was it.
She was, she was, she had one count.
Under RICO and one count of I believe soliciting a public official or something like that.
Two charges is what she was facing and she took a felony plea deal.
Hundreds of thousands of dollars and is crying.
What I genuinely believe is that Jenna Ellis legitimately thought she was representing her client in 2020 and is now terrified and would rather sell you out, you out, all of us out in this country So that she can disappear into the sunset.
kash patel
But this is a part of, like, this is an established practice.
If you're in Trump world and you're in Trump orbit and you get jettisoned for not doing your job properly, not only is it a scarlet letter, it's an act of vengeance.
Look at the gal that's on the, not the Today Show, but The View, right?
That's one example.
The other intern that wrote the White House book.
As long as you get jettisoned from Trump World and are willing to play ball, I guarantee you every one of these people has a book deal.
tim pool
Yeah.
kash patel
Lined up.
Has a show.
Lined up.
And is now guaranteed not to go to prison.
And like you said, they don't have any morals.
They don't have any convictions.
All they have to do is just say what they want and they're gonna be famous.
They're gonna go to Hollywood and LA and people are gonna put them on their shows and they're gonna be the greatest saviors of America.
If Sidney Powell, of all people, Michael Flynn's attorney, I gotta remind your audience, Sidney Powell was Michael Flynn's attorney who overturned that case.
tim pool
And if she of all people will flip on Trump, why would anyone hold the line?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
They just watched.
It's like being on the battlefield and watching George Washington drop his pants and cry and run from the battlefield.
I shouldn't compare her to George Washington, but I'm saying, like, a bunch of regular people are watching Sidney Powell go on TV and scream and bang her fist and say, I will not back down.
The viral video of her saying, I will not be intimidated.
And then as soon as they're like, we're criminally charging, she starts crying.
She's like, please, I'll do anything you say!
hannah claire brimelow
This was a woman who was one of the people smiling in her mugshot, right?
She presented this intensity.
To an extreme degree.
How can we have a country where we're saying, you know, we're anti-establishment, you've got to confront the values here, you have to stick by these things, and then you have these people immediately turn.
I mean, obviously, it's what the Democrats want.
But in some ways, to me, it really foils the motion that Trump filed today in his January 6 case saying, you know, you should dismiss the case because of First Amendment and double jeopardy.
But one of the lines in the case was, Under the First Amendment, Trump and his supporters have the right to question and doubt what the government tells them.
And so this idea that, like, she knowingly promoted false information, number one, did she know it was wrong?
And under the First Amendment, doesn't she have the right to doubt it?
I mean, it is sad to see someone who could have argued a really articulate message in court take the plea deal.
I understand that there's pressure.
On the other hand, if we're a values-based movement, you need people who are willing to defend their values.
brett dasovic
The bravado is always so much more so online than it is in the real world.
But also, like you said, for somebody like you were talking about the makeup, she was a makeup distributor, right?
She's signaling to her base who's going to support her anyways.
But when somebody who's anti-establishment on the right is pushing back, They feel a lot of the times like they're out on a life raft once they actually put themselves out there like that, because where is there to go if it all falls through and they start coming at you with criminal charges that you do have to, you know, especially if they have a family, if they have kids and stuff like that, they're thinking about what that's going to be.
I'm not saying that's right, wrong.
I'm just saying I understand where the mindset comes from, where at the end of the day, a lot of these people are going to put themselves and their loved ones first over the movement, because that's just hierarchy of needs.
Right, for a lot of them.
kash patel
I think this is a direct result of the two-tier system of justice that's been built in this country.
It's one of my biggest grievances in government gangsters.
And it's not just in federal court, it's in state court.
And what Tim said was, they've flipped.
That's the key for me.
Okay, what did they flip on?
But what they're doing is they're going out to the New York Times and saying, we got Trump's three top lawyers.
And as a guy from Trump world, I'm telling you, these people barely did anything for the boss.
And he came out and announced that Sidney Powell wasn't even his attorney.
So what they're doing, though, publicly, is they're saying, three Trump lawyers have now pled guilty to the election fraud scam case run by Donald Trump.
They're trying it in the public.
They're trying to get more and more dominoes to fall so that when Trump gets to court in Georgia, finally, whenever that is, they're going to say, oh, 14 defendants have pled guilty.
You must be guilty by association.
brett dasovic
Where there's smoke, there's fire.
kash patel
You must be guilty.
But where's the evidence?
Because if they had it, this is the thing you know about the New York Times and these corrupt prosecutors.
If they had a recording, if they had, you know, the I got you moment, the kill shot, it would have leaked.
tim pool
This is the evidence.
kash patel
No, that's what I'm saying.
tim pool
When they begin filing 14th Amendment challenges to Donald Trump's 2024 candidacy, they're going to say, the court has to say, what's your evidence?
Jen Ellis and Sidney Powell confessed.
We have confessions, Your Honor, we have several confessions.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, if they hadn't, to your point, if they hadn't aced in the hole, they wouldn't offer the plea deals.
They would want every single person to go down for as long as possible.
kash patel
No, yeah, as a prosecutor, I was like, I don't want to, you're not going down for five years, you're going away for 40.
hannah claire brimelow
But it means that they don't have anything.
kash patel
Right.
brett dasovic
What was the maximum, like if she had been, if she had gone to court and tried her luck, what was the maximum sentence she would have gotten?
kash patel
I think it's probably 20 years because it's a RICO conspiracy.
tim pool
So would they, would they, would all the sentences be concurrent?
kash patel
No, it's up to the judge.
Not at all.
You can stack them, you can hold them.
tim pool
She had two.
She had two charges.
kash patel
Yeah, you can make them consecutive.
So it's a total crapshoot.
But that 14th Amendment thing, this is just another hysterical thing.
Has anyone read the first sentence of the 14th Amendment?
I know you guys have.
But it says, And it names the vice president, the senators, the members of the House of Representatives in lower level offices.
You know who doesn't name?
The presidency.
The 14th Amendment, by its first sentence, doesn't apply to the presidency.
And we have all these freaking lawsuits around the country trying to disbar or whatever the word is, get Donald Trump off the ballot, which is hilarious.
And this boondoggle in Colorado, I think, just forwarded the case on to say, oh, this issue is ripe for decision making because people are talking about it publicly.
tim pool
So, uh, section three, I believe, correct?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No person shall be a senator, or representative in Congress, or elector of president, and vice president, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who is having taken an oath as a member of Congress, or an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution, shall have engaged in insurrection, et cetera, et cetera.
So, vice president and president are not in here.
It says elector of vice president and vice president.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
The president is explicitly not in there.
kash patel
What do you think, the founding fathers just forgot?
tim pool
Well, I mean, this was Civil War era.
kash patel
No, I know, but, like, they were contemplating, what if we have to kick out these people from office?
They contemplated kicking out the president, and they said, no, that power is not going in the Constitution.
I mean, that was their decision.
Hasn't been overturned in 250-some years.
So then where does this all go?
I mean... Supreme Court.
tim pool
All of it.
Yeah, but I don't see the Supreme Court right now siding against Trump on this matter.
kash patel
No, it's not, but it's going to take like three years.
tim pool
I was going to say, how long will it take to get there?
Drain resources?
kash patel
Yeah, that's it.
I mean, look, they're doing it to everyone.
Like, I've spent $500,000 in attorney's fees on January 6th subpoenas, special counsel subpoenas.
I'm just one of the guys.
I mean, this is what they want you to do.
Cop a plea, bend a knee, we'll give you the book deal.
You know, Cassidy Hutchinson goes out in the world and lie, literally.
It's hilarious to me that her most promising statement of truth was President Trump reaching through the beast and trying to grab the steering wheel.
Have you been in the beast?
I have.
There's bulletproof window between the driver and the car part of where President Trump... What did she... Was she Hulk?
Did she punch through the glass window?
And how did she... Trump, right?
And how did she even see it?
tim pool
If someone told me that Donald Trump got really green and big and then I'd have to believe that.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's just gets out of his way. They're too scared.
brett dasovic
He's the new Chuck Norris.
unidentified
There's a diet coke.
hannah claire brimelow
Bursting apart.
brett dasovic
It is hard to say, like, if what are you going to take?
Are you going to take $500,000?
For a lot of these other people, right?
It's $500,000 in legal fees, minimum.
Or the book deal down the line and your family doesn't pay it.
kash patel
Talk about winning the lottery.
You're getting multiple seven figures just for lying.
And you're going to be glorified in the media.
The back end of what we have to deal with is if you look up my name in the media, I might be the Antichrist.
If you believe what the New York Times has said about me, but they will just defame you, they will make up stories, they will attack your family, death sentences.
I've gotten those things at my house every other month because they doxed me and let out my personal information.
I mean, this is what they do to you.
brett dasovic
And the media, it's never- that pressure never gets turned off.
tim pool
It's sad to me that there are very few people of conviction.
When I was reading this story earlier on my morning show, I don't understand the perspective of a person who would purport to hold certain values and then sacrifice them at a moment's notice.
I understand.
Jenna Ellis is a grifter.
Sidney Powell is a grifter.
This is what they are, right?
They said all these things they clearly didn't believe.
Because the question I often ask people is like, are you religious?
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
Christian?
kash patel
Hindu.
tim pool
Hindu.
If you were forced by a court to renounce your faith, otherwise you'd go to jail.
Would you do it?
kash patel
They'd go pound sand.
I'd go to jail.
tim pool
Right.
And I'm like, if you... And the reason I bring up religion is because this is something that people truly feel is a conviction they cannot sacrifice.
And I'm like, to see people like this go up in front of TV and be like, this is true, this is correct, and then turn around and be like, psych.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, people who have really strong convictions are vilified by especially mainstream media.
I mean, let's look at Owen Troyer who reported to jail today, right?
He is someone who has strong convictions and is treated like a complete other because of it by mainstream media if they talk about him at all and what's being done to him because it's very difficult to spin his case.
tim pool
Jenna Ellis, this was her give, send, and go, and it's the archive because it's been removed.
She raised $216,000.
This is an archive from earlier today.
And it's interesting because there are comments from people saying she should take the plea deal because Otherwise she's going to burn through all that money and 200k is not enough to fight a legal battle like this.
hannah claire brimelow
Especially against any government.
tim pool
But there are a lot of people who are furious and they thought that they were donating to fight the charges, not for her to just instantly cave in.
kash patel
That's the thing, right?
She came in to be like, okay, you're going to be like the stalwart here.
You're going to be the fact witness in this case that exposes the corruption of the deep state in the Georgia state prosecution.
tim pool
Do you think they turn on Trump and testify against him?
kash patel
That's the deal they have to sign.
My question is, that's in every plea agreement, no matter what.
What people don't realize is when you sign a plea agreement that says I'm pleading guilty, you're saying you're cooperating.
I've done a thousand and one plea agreements, every one.
Whether you actually do down the road, 99% of people never do because it never comes up, but the substantive question for folks like her and Sidney Powell and whoever the other person is, Is what do they have on Trump?
Like, what, do they have a phone call and a recording that, you know, of conspiring of words?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and this AP news, when they covered it, they were saying, you know, ultimately they're going to call into question their credibility because these people were participating in what Trump is being convicted of.
And so it's easy to sort of say, but you were doing it too.
Why are you turning on Trump?
I mean, they're not the stellar star witnesses that maybe the prosecution would want them You mentioned these book deals and these TV shows.
tim pool
The only course of action that Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell are going to have is to become woke leftists.
kash patel
They're on their way.
tim pool
Or neolibs.
Because they cannot show their face.
kash patel
Oh no.
tim pool
In a Trump rally, they get tomatoes thrown at them, boo, I mean, figuratively.
brett dasovic
They get to be the talking head conservatives on the view and CNN.
tim pool
And talk about, like, Cohen.
They're going to be like Cohen.
Oh, I was so wrong.
unidentified
No, no.
kash patel
It's like you were talking about, you know, specifically these three people.
They're in it for the attention.
They're not in it for the convictions.
It reminds me of, like, 85% of the people that are in Congress, literally.
They're there to get rich, to get famous.
They don't care about their convictions.
Oh, I'll pass this budget deal today and I'll sell my soul tomorrow for you because you're a big lobbyist and are giving me a seven figure payday.
I mean, these people have made a career in DC out of these boondoggles.
And to me, this is just a different extension of that.
While you might not be in Congress, you are going to get a golden parachute of monumental proportions for doing this nonsense.
tim pool
But their only course of action is going to be to go the Cohen route and be like, oh, I was so wrong and I'm, you know, Trump is bad.
All these former conservatives who now act like... Orange man bad, you know?
Like the Lincoln Project after 2020.
They're like, the job's not done.
We're now going after Republican senators.
And it's like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
kash patel
No, they're just going after children.
tim pool
Oh, right.
But the Lincoln Project says we want to restore the party of Lincoln, so we must remove Donald Trump.
And then once Trump's out, they're like, but we're going to go after other Republicans, too.
And it's just like, right, because this is their grift.
unidentified
Yeah.
kash patel
That's the game.
Oh, it's a money-making scam.
Like, these people are getting paid.
Like, if you guys actually knew the amount of seven figures that is doled out by the Soros-funded boondoggles, by all of these organizations, they are so much more organized than the Republicans ever will be.
I hate to admit it, but they are.
tim pool
I don't understand.
I just really really don't.
There are evil, sick, twisted people.
I gotta be honest.
There is a certain point where money doesn't do anything for you.
And I'm like, why sell?
Why destroy everything around you?
For something that you couldn't even really do anything with.
Like, to elaborate, you get to a certain point of wealth, and I quite literally mean this speaking from experience, where it's hard to track things that you're buying and what you're investing in, and you hire people to do it, and it's just like, for what purpose?
It doesn't enrich your life.
I mean, for me, a lot of the stuff we do here at TimCast is like investing in the projects, the missions, the people, the culture.
Building things like we bought a building because we're going to open a coffee shop.
But for people in this world, when it comes to news and politics, for what reason does Nancy Pelosi need $200 million net worth to sell out and destroy the country?
I'm sorry, some people are just evil.
hannah claire brimelow
There are jobs that you don't really expect people to make a lot of money in, and we all hear politicians say, I'm here for public service, you know, the most lucrative career I could have gone into.
The question for me is, with these plea deals, they'll run out, right?
We now have three people who are willing to testify.
At a certain point, Georgia's going to want to have a pretty big show if we've convicted all these people.
There are 15 co-defendants left.
tim pool
So let me ask you, Cash.
At a certain point, they stop offering plea deals because they've got now three cooperating witnesses who will testify against the others.
kash patel
Yeah, I think they keep going only because it's just it's free press.
Every day Donald Trump's just a little more guilty.
Well, that guy's guilty.
That girl's guilty.
She's guilty.
Well, he's got to be guilty!
tim pool
And then you get 15 people to testify against Trump and that's your evidence.
kash patel
On a jury trial, which is like game over, if it was a fair court where you could go in and cross-examine these witnesses and shred their credibility based on their past actions, past statements.
These people have been on TV, on national TV, saying the exact opposite of what they're about to testify to, under oath, and you would destroy them.
But it doesn't matter.
It's like a New York City jury.
They're going to be like, what?
And then wake up when the verdict's due and say guilty.
In this case too, look, this is going to go through the Georgia state court system, then the federal court, but the question is, are any of these cases actually going to get to a point where Donald Trump is convicted before the next election, and one of these crazy people actually puts him in jail?
In prison?
Like, one of these state court judges says, nope, you can have your appeal, but you're going in the clinic.
tim pool
I think it's more so to drain his resources and make it impossible for him to campaign properly.
kash patel
Well, it is.
I mean, look, if you have to be in court and not on the road, but take, for instance, I think only what Donald Trump can do, and obviously I'm biased, I'm his national security advisor, but he's in New York City, basically campaigning from the courtroom.
Like the guy comes out every 25 minutes and makes a statement and everyone covers it.
He's on truth social, punching out, you know, hits against Aaron Cohen or whoever, or the attorney general.
tim pool
That's true.
I mean, you know, we're talking about these members of Congress who make all this money.
And you said, like, the most lucrative job.
Well, a lot of the rank-and-file members of Congress, you don't even know their names.
They don't make any money.
hannah claire brimelow
And they're probably there for better reasons than we are here.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
kash patel
You gotta internet search the wealth of the average member of Congress.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Half of them are millionaires.
It's crazy.
But my point is, not every one of them succeeds in getting attention and getting access.
So for Donald Trump to be able to walk out of the courtroom every time they call him in and get every eyeball in the country...
unidentified
That's something he could not pay for.
hannah claire brimelow
There are tons of journalists that are just on Truth Social to see what he says.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from TimCast.com.
Trump files motion to dismiss January 6th case, citing double jeopardy in First Amendment.
This is interesting.
Former President Donald Trump has asked the U.S.
District Court of Columbia to dismiss special counsel Jack Smith's case against him for his alleged role in the events of January 6th, citing the First Amendment and double jeopardy.
Quote, if there is any constant in our democratic system of governance, it is that the marketplace of ideas, not the mandates of government functionaries or partisan prosecutors, determines the scope of public debate, stated Trump's reps in a filing.
Countless millions believe, as Trump consistently has and currently does, that fraud and irregularities pervaded the 2020 presidential election.
As the indictment itself alleges, President Trump gave voice to those concerns and demanded that politicians in a position to restore integrity to our elections, not just talk about the problem, but investigate and solve it.
So I think what they're saying, uh, here's a quote.
Additionally, as the United States Senate has previously tried and acquitted President Trump for charges arising from the same course of conduct alleged in the indictment, the impeachment, and double jeopardy clauses both bar retrial before this court and require dismissal.
kash patel
Is that true?
I mean, I'm not the constitutional lawyer.
I think on freedom of speech and First Amendment grounds, he should, because if you're not Well, the two-tier system of justice again, right?
If you're Nancy Pelosi, Hakeem Jeffries, Hillary Clinton, you can say the election was stolen, the election was rigged, this whole process sucks, I didn't win, wah-wah-wah, and then if you're Donald Trump, you're going to prison.
So on that just basis alone, by the way, this judge could not be more corrupt and biased, we can get into that if you want to.
tim pool
Is that Chitkin?
kash patel
Yeah, I've literally been before her.
The double jeopardy, here's a really crazy thing about double jeopardy, and I only know this because I paid attention for like seven seconds in law school to try to pass the bar exam.
You can be charged in state and federal court for the exact same thing.
It's not double jeopardy.
You just can't be charged in federal court twice for the same thing.
tim pool
Or the same state, I'm assuming.
kash patel
It can't be the same jurisdiction.
Right, exactly.
So on double jeopardy grounds, he's good if he's saying, no, this needs to go because you already are alleging this in the South Florida case in Miami.
It's got to go.
Then he's got a strong point.
tim pool
So these are both federal then?
kash patel
These are both federal.
This has to do with the Miami DC case.
And if they're going to bring more charges or not, it remains to be seen.
tim pool
So in bringing up, it's interesting, impeachment.
unidentified
Where?
tim pool
is not the criminal case. The argument is first they would impeach Donald Trump, then convict him, and
then after he's convicted they can file the criminal indictment and seek to convict him on criminal charges.
kash patel
Where? In Congress?
tim pool
So the arguments as to why Donald Trump can't be criminally charged yet is that he has to be impeached for these things
first.
kash patel
But he's been criminally charged.
tim pool
Right, so the argument is... I can't remember who wrote this.
We covered it several times.
kash patel
Oh, I see the legal gymnastics you're talking about.
tim pool
Well, there's a constitutional argument that you can't criminally charge members of the Trump administration or Trump himself because it's the executive branch.
You have to seek impeachment, argument being, The president has broad leeway in taking actions for the benefit of this country or the direction of this country.
And if you believe the president has done wrong by this country, you have to impeach him, which is the statement of, I hereby accuse you of crimes and misdemeanors.
Then the Senate convicts him for doing it.
Then, after we all agree the president has broken his oath of office or whatever, you then file criminal charges against him.
kash patel
That's a pretty good constitutional argument.
tim pool
It makes the most sense.
Because if that was not the case, Any blue state could file criminal charges against the president anytime.
State charges!
Oh, the president committed a crime!
What?
How are we supposed to have a president if... Like, think about the Civil War, when the states were upset with Lincoln pre-Civil War, and the fears about... Imagine if Virginia or Alabama was just like, eh, we're criminally charging the president.
Well, you couldn't.
That was the argument.
He has to be impeached, which is the agreement the president has committed high crimes and misdemeanors, and then is removed from office.
More so than just the... I'll put it this way.
If that is not the standard, then there is no president.
A single state could challenge the results of an election by criminally charging a president for anything.
So you need a federal level impeachment against him before you can try and criminally charge him at a state level.
kash patel
Well, you're also not supposed to be ever to be able to charge him while he's sitting in office.
So it's going to be even interesting if he wins 2024.
And what are you going to do?
tim pool
Well, that's exactly the argument they're making, is that the actions they're charging Trump over happened while he was president.
In which case... I agree with that.
kash patel
He should be immune from that prosecution, because... Until he's convicted in an impeachment trial.
Right, then... So totally on board with that, because he was in the White House.
He was still there, saying whatever he was allowed to say, and that's protected.
tim pool
And I would say this too.
The reason why I have nothing but disgust for those lawyers, like Jenna Ellis and Sidney Powell, is that it is...
It is not just a constitutional duty to provide legal counsel to an individual.
It is not just a legal duty to provide counsel to someone who is seeking a redress of grievances.
It is an obligation for Donald Trump, if he believes the election was stolen, to pursue all legal methods to investigate and seek remedy.
That would mean any lawyer who is taking up that job has a duty to this country to make sure that's the case.
For Jenna Ellis to have lied in her previous statements that she believed, or in her arguments, for Sidney Powell to have lied, or to have flipped now, they are basically saying the fabric of this nation means less to them than their personal comfort.
kash patel
Yeah, and what you're also saying is that a president, a sitting president, is not entitled to counsel.
Is that the precedent we want to set?
Is that the historical foundation we want to set?
Because you disagree with him politically, and that decision should be adjudicated at the polls and not in the courts of law.
Are we going to now, when President Trump says he wins in 2024, are we going to go back and arrest, based on this DOJ's precedent, every Joe Biden attorney?
That worked against electing President Donald Trump and provided advice to Joe Biden saying it was okay to take classified documents out of the, you know, when you were Vice President and Senator.
I mean, that's what they want us to do.
And I think they don't care because the mainstream media will cover for them and it'll just be Orange Man bad, but it's a two-tier system, Justin.
They don't care.
tim pool
Well, the argument is a three-tiered.
You've got the people who get away with everything, the regular people that get ignored and never get any attention, and then the people who are arrested for everything.
You know, so there are a lot of people who have talked about going to the police for help because of crimes and they are completely ignored.
kash patel
That's true.
Go to DC.
brett dasovic
Is a big reason a lot of this is going on that right now, given the way approval rates are sitting, are they worried that undecided voters who are looking for something different, who may are like, look, four years have gone by.
Maybe you forget a little bit of like a lot of these people who maybe didn't vote for Donald Trump in 2020.
Four years have gone by.
Things have gotten bad enough now that maybe they're like, maybe I'm willing to go back to it, is the idea to keep this in the news, keep him in trial, not just in an actual trial, but the court of public opinion, to keep voters from wanting to swing back and possibly give him a shot this time around, because you keep dirtying him up by keeping him in the news with all these cycles.
kash patel
Well, that's the hope.
Look, remember, the Democrats aren't stupid.
They're evil and they're wicked and they're geniuses at certain points in time when they collaborate together.
They don't want Joe Biden to be their candidate.
They might not publicly say that, but they're not morons.
What they're trying to do is both dirty up Trump and Biden at the same time, and then they're gonna be like, no, no, we're going after both people.
But they want to give Joe Biden an exit ramp.
It's not a coincidence.
There are no coincidences in government, major theme in my book, that David Ignatius of the Washington Freaking Post comes out and says, oh, Joe Biden, you've done so well, but please retire now.
That's not a coincidence.
That means the FBI DOJ gave David Ignatius the details of Hunter Biden's criminal case and Joe Biden's criminal case and said, if we don't get this guy out, this is what's coming, and then we're going to indict him.
But if we just charge Hunter and we force Daddy Biden to commute his sentence, that's it.
Game over.
He can't be president.
tim pool
I think there's a decent probability that Joe Biden gets indicted.
For the reasons you just outlined.
kash patel
They might have to go to that.
I'm saying that's their last option.
tim pool
It's their plausibility shield for middle-of-the-road, uninitiated individuals.
unidentified
Oh, 100%.
kash patel
They'll go to Merrick Garland, who looks like a wet noodle every time he approaches a microphone.
Him and Chris Wray, the worst FBI director in history, will go to the microphone and say, we charge two sitting presidents.
Or whatever, one former president.
unidentified
We're not biased.
kash patel
We're not biased.
Look at this.
tim pool
We're charging Biden, too.
kash patel
We're everybody.
And Biden's a criminal.
tim pool
Biden is the sacrificial lamb.
kash patel
I think Hunter's their leverage point.
I think they get to that.
But here's the thing.
They got to figure all this stuff out in the next 90 days.
Once you get past the Iowa caucuses, they can't airmail in Gavin Newsom, the guy they want to come in to be president.
tim pool
Technically, if Joe Biden is incapable of running, something will happen.
I mean, you're right in terms of a primary.
But They'll make it happen, you know what I mean?
kash patel
But that's what I'm saying, that's why these articles are starting to come out from left-wing organizations.
That's not random.
The government has called them and said, hey, this is coming, we need you to help us grease the skids, get rid of this guy, politely, and then we'll glorify him for being the savior from Trump.
That's what they will literally write about him for decades to come, if this play happens, and half of America will buy it.
tim pool
That's why I kind of think a medical issue is the more likely out for Joe Biden.
kash patel
Well, you just have to watch him on TV for like 30 seconds if you want a medical issue.
tim pool
But how do you get Kamala Harris out of the way?
How do you get Joe Biden to not run?
And how do you get a Gavin Newsom in?
Joe Biden has a medical issue.
Gavin Newsom runs out on stage, performs CPR, saves the life of the president.
I mean, think about it.
And then Kamala Harris assumes the role, acting president for the remainder of the year, but then says, I really want to take that Senate seat in California.
hannah claire brimelow
I need to return to my home.
kash patel
No, no, no.
She's going to go take her $10 million payday.
tim pool
But what you'll say is I am honored to have served this country as president.
kash patel
I took out Trump with Biden, the greatest victor.
Right.
tim pool
And I believe it is not in the cards for me to pursue an election with such short notice.
So I'd like to honor, you know, with honor and humility, offer up Gavin Newsom and ask him to lead this nation, and then you get a Gavin Newsom.
That's why Newsom's probably, when's he, he's debating DeSantis next month.
hannah claire brimelow
DeSantis on the 30th.
unidentified
Of this month?
hannah claire brimelow
Of November, November.
kash patel
For Tater Ron to go in there.
And accept this debate just shows you the disparity of where these two individuals are.
tim pool
You want to know my conspiracy theories?
kash patel
Yes, I do.
But you know what's hilarious for your audience?
I go to engagements around the country for Donald Trump all the time.
I do big events, whatever.
Ron DeSantis should call in for presidency when he can put more people in a room than Cash Patel.
Have you seen his events?
It's sad!
tim pool
Here's what I think.
A year and a half ago, we were talking about Ron being president.
I mean, tons of outlets were having this conversation, before Trump announced, before he was back in the game.
And there was conversations when Trump was announcing that a Trump-DeSantis ticket would be unstoppable.
kash patel
Before DeSantis- I remember being part of those conversations.
tim pool
Here's my conspiracy theory.
Special interests, establishment interests, knew that was the case.
Probably looked at the polling data and says, Trump's a wild card that pisses people off, but DeSantis stabilizes his numbers by being that More boring, regular politician, we need to make sure they can never form that ticket.
So they go to DeSantis, whisper sweet nothings in his ears, and I wondered this, and I say it's a conspiracy theory, I'm not saying I literally believe it's absolute, I'm saying just entertain the interesting thought based on this.
If you look at what Ron DeSantis' campaign has been like, your only conclusion could be that he is being sabotaged.
Have you seen him wearing the high heels?
kash patel
Oh, the cowboy boots with the big lifts.
tim pool
Big lifts is an understatement.
hannah claire brimelow
You should have just gone straight to platforms.
tim pool
The front of the boot is flat and bent like there's no foot in it.
It looks like his foot is pressed up against the front of the boot and there's a four-inch
lift in them.
Now, I'm not saying I know for a fact that's true, but these are the memes that are coming
out.
You look at how Ashley St. Clair made a joke about it and Christina Pujar starts attacking
her and I'm like...
is are like, are they intentionally nuking? The first thing I said was, I believe that
Ron DeSantis campaign staff are secret Trump supporters who are intentionally nuking his
campaign to help Trump. Then I thought about it. I'm like, maybe the real goal is to stop DeSantis
from having teamed up with Trump in the first place, because now that relationship is beyond
hannah claire brimelow
repair. It's nuked. It's. Yeah. And I don't I don't really understand why it would not have
been good for. I know there's that whole thing. You know, if you have your moment in politics,
you don't want to miss it, but would DeSantis have suffered from being vice president, you know?
unidentified
No.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think he would.
I mean, he can't be governor again, right?
Isn't he term limited?
So where does he go?
Vice presidency is not a bad idea, especially to gain official exposure on the national stage.
kash patel
Or you give him a secretarial position in the cabinet, Secretary of Agriculture, whatever, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Education?
kash patel
Education, have it out for two years or four years, and you'd still only be 46, you know, at the time of the end of the second Trump administration, you can run in.
But I think it's not a conspiracy.
So you've got to look at DeSantis' top three donors.
Ken Griffin from Citadel, number one.
He's now actually conveniently stopped giving Ron money.
But when it first started, they went all in on the super PAC.
And I know the guys running that super PAC.
They were always never Trumpers and Trump haters and flipped the wagon as soon as it became convenient for them.
And they were the ones out there in the media saying, we are going to be the ones that save the Republican Party from Donald Trump.
And I remember everybody excoriating Trump for being like, you can't make fun of Ron.
You can't call him desanctimonious.
hannah claire brimelow
Which is not the best nickname, I will say.
kash patel
I mean, but here's the effect, right?
Whether it was the best nickname or not, Trump's strategy was to kneecap him before that guy ever
got out of the gate. And everybody in the political arena was saying, this is not going to work.
And Ron literally puts less people in a room than I do if I send out one true social post.
tim pool
It sounds like they said if Trump gets DeSantis on the ticket, we can't beat him.
There's nobody who can run against him.
Nobody.
And so they were like, let's go to DeSantis and offer him tons of money and tell him he's the guy
and it's his path, convince him.
And then once he betrays Trump, that's it, we're done.
And then they walk away and they stopped giving him money.
kash patel
Isn't he like number five now already?
Like on the, what do you call it?
The GOP stakes, he's not even like the second guy.
tim pool
I think he's number three in the prediction market.
But you mentioned this, the donors have stopped giving him money.
kash patel
They pulled out.
tim pool
And that was a while ago.
And then he had the mass layoff.
Like they barely gave him any money at all.
It's kind of crazy.
kash patel
But don't worry, when he debates Gavin Newsom, who, by the way, will probably clobber him.
I don't like Gavin Newsom, but he's charismatic, he's smart, and he knows how to speak and debate.
And that's going to be the one debate I watch.
I won't watch any of the GOP ones, but I'll watch that one.
tim pool
Look at this.
Nikki Haley is in second place in the prediction market.
I never would have saw that coming.
I gotta be honest.
hannah claire brimelow
She was doing well in New Hampshire last I checked.
brett dasovic
It's also hard for Ron to push back against Trump when it comes to like the social media presence because he is supposed to be this traditional politician that was more of a quiet mind, you know, quiet.
Reagan.
Yeah, like so it's a lot harder in the social media age when everything's a meme.
To push back when people are saying that you're wearing high heels.
How does somebody use dignity to get their way out of that?
So you said that the people that work for him then say to Ashley Sinclair, oh, you're being rude for doing something like this.
That's not going to work.
Not in the social media.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, you'd hope that he'd lean into the fact that he's young and be like, you crazy kids on social media with your jokes and your ideas, but instead it was just this crazy serious thing.
I mean, like, he could have gone boot shopping on TikTok or like on Reels or whatever, and it might have been better, but it really feels to me like the undercurrent of what's around him is looking for a fight and they're feeling insecure.
And again, I actually feel like, you know, I always say that we, I don't want to short the bench, right?
Like if Trump is elected, he will only, he'll be a one term president and he could do incredible things, but we have to keep the momentum going.
There has to be people after him.
And so whether it's Ron DeSantis or not, we don't need it to be this crazy infighting led by people who are feeling insecure about their campaign.
brett dasovic
Funny too, because didn't, like, Logan Paul did the thing with Vivek and it became his biggest social media platform to push his campaign ideas?
Like, Ron probably would have been better off figuring out a way to actually lean into the social media aspect of it better.
Like this picture right here.
unidentified
Who is that?
tim pool
I don't know, but you look at his boots and they're on the ground, but it does look like he's on his tippy toes.
It's just weird.
hannah claire brimelow
It's just much more disarming to people to laugh with them, right?
And that's the reality here.
brett dasovic
But doesn't that break his image, right?
His image is supposed to be the person who institutes policy and then doesn't feel the need to have to clap back.
That's what they liked about him, right?
They liked the fact that he was not the reactionary of Trump, but he needs to be.
hannah claire brimelow
But he did end up clapping back, and he could have been the guy that is like, oh, I'm so dignified.
Ha ha, I'll laugh with you.
kash patel
No, but you're right.
You know, you raise a good point.
Like, he could have just waited it out a hot second, been on a meteoric rise, and would have been the dude, you know, come 2028, whatever that math is.
Instead, not only is he not the dude now, he's never gonna be the dude in this generation.
Like, he's 45, so maybe at 65 he could make a play like Trump did, maybe in his 70s.
But right now, he's gone.
This Republican Party is completely different.
People in the state of Florida have to—everybody's like, oh, Ron DeSantis is doing a great job in the state of Florida.
He is.
But do you know the vote structure in the state of Florida?
In 2022, Ron DeSantis got 4 million votes in the state of Florida.
In 2022, Donald J. Trump got 5.1 million votes in the state of Florida.
tim pool
In 2022?
unidentified
Or 2020?
kash patel
2020, excuse me.
So the year they were both on ticket, that's the spread in the state of Florida.
brett dasovic
He was also losing a lot of the America First people, right?
Because they were like, look, Neocon.
They immediately smelled Neocon on him anyways.
kash patel
Well, the donors.
brett dasovic
Yeah, and had a lot of questions about it.
So he would have had a lot of ground to make up there anyways.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I mean, there are things that, and I remember saying this at this time a year ago, that there were things that I thought DeSantis could bring to, you'd say, a debate stage and talk about really interestingly.
I mean, Florida is unique in the sense that it deals with a lot of illegal immigration that's unique to that region, right?
They have a lot of immigration from Cuba, they have a lot of immigration from... Oh, you good, homie?
kash patel
Ron DeSantis just sent me, his team just sent me a message for a donor event in Las Vegas where I live.
I was like, do you guys even know who you're sending this stuff to anymore?
hannah claire brimelow
Are you going to go?
kash patel
Maybe, you know, why not?
You know, maybe I'll go in there and go and walk in his boots.
I can ask him about his boots.
The funny thing is it's in Treasure Island, which is Phil Ruffin's place, who's Donald Trump's best friend.
I find this hilarious.
brett dasovic
Be like 3 inch lifts or 4 inch lifts?
hannah claire brimelow
Just take a picture next time because we were trying to figure out the height.
brett dasovic
And look, I was personally offended as somebody who's short, you know, I wanted him to win the
short vote. You wanted representation. I wanted representation. I wanted him to win the short vote.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from foxnews.com and maybe we'll give Ron Desantis a little
bit of praise here after we just ragged on him.
The DeSantis administration directs Florida universities to terminate student chapters that support Hamas terrorism.
Now, the first thing I thought when I saw this was this is a misplay.
This is Ron going too far in the culture war, targeting free speech from students.
I don't like that they support this stuff, but we want these far leftists to go out and talk about how they support Hamas.
And then, you actually read it, Ron DeSantis is correct in this regard.
These individuals are not just speaking.
Let me read this.
The letter states, the student group present at at least two universities in Florida, known as the National Students for Justice in Palestine, Published a toolkit that refers to the Hamas operation as the resistance and says that Palestinian students in exile are part of this movement, not in solidarity with the movement.
Quite literally, I believe that's a violation of federal law in providing material support to terrorist organizations.
So in this capacity, it goes well beyond just speech.
It's difficult.
I always try to be careful and I would personally require a lot of evidence and adjudication on this.
I don't want a government, a governor or a president to be able to come out and be like, nope, you said you support terrorists, so we're shutting you down.
Like, no, no, no, we'll bring it to court.
You shouldn't be able to just do this.
They should have filed something that they should have to respond to.
There should be a due process here.
The letter explains that it's a felony under Florida law to knowingly provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization.
These chapters exist under the leadership of the National Students for Justice in Palestine, who distributed a toolkit identifying themselves as part of the Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, based on the National S.P.J.
uh, S.P.
uh, J.P.s, sorry.
Support of terrorism.
In consultation with Governor DeSantis, the student chapter must be deactivated.
These two student chapters may form another organization that complies with Florida state statutes and university policies.
The two institutions should grant these two chapters a waiver for the fall deadlines should reapplication take place.
Now my question here is, if they genuinely believe these individuals are supporting terrorism, why would they be like, just refile?
Wouldn't they be like, we are going to arrest and charge you for this?
kash patel
Well, what people always forget now, especially, is that Hamas is a designated foreign terrorist organization.
That has been the case for decades in Republican and Democratic administrations.
So that's leg one of this whole statute about, you know, I used to prosecute guys for providing material support to terrorism.
It can be arms, it can be money, it can be planning, it can be whatever, right?
Conspiring with them to do bad stuff.
So you have that piece of the puzzle.
Are they a designated foreign terrorist organization?
But here's the thing.
That's not Florida law.
It's federal law, right?
So anything in Florida that speaks to that is superseded by federal law and material support statutes.
So you're right.
I agree that if they're providing money to a foreign terrorist organization, it's material support.
tim pool
What if they claim to be and are providing labor?
kash patel
Well, then you have to go to court and prove that you're providing labor that is not attributed to terrorist activity, right?
You're, I'm saving babies in, you know, wherever and providing food to the homeless or something like that.
So we get into this, we get into this problem when we have all these humanitarian refugee camps, right?
Like across Syria and all of these donors want to give money and you're like, well, we're giving it to all these people and known foreign terrorists who are in the camps that run the camp.
How are we going to, what are we going to do with that?
That's been an ongoing issue for a long time.
hannah claire brimelow
What do you think of Tom Cotton?
He wrote that letter to Mallorca saying we need to expel foreign nationals who violate federal law by espousing support for Hamas because you're barred from espousing.
kash patel
It's the law.
This DOJ won't actually do it because it's the DOJ along with the State Department that has to get together to make that ejection possible.
What he's saying, I think you have to break it down a little further than just expel everyone.
If you are affiliated with a known foreign terrorist organization, Hamas, in America, and you are supporting them, in the very least, you should be kicked out of the country and more likely prosecuted.
What normally happens is you get prosecuted, then you get stripped of your citizenship or residency status, then you get the boot.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think any of this is likely to happen?
kash patel
No, not in this administration.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what I find to be the crazy thing.
There's going to be all of this fury and the progressives themselves are divided over the issue, but nothing will happen from the Biden administration.
kash patel
Not in this one.
brett dasovic
And stuff like this is going to become more common in the Internet age as these people are able to coordinate more freely, I assume?
kash patel
Yeah.
Well, like, look, so the difference between Al-Qaeda and ISIS, I mean, the main difference, right?
Al-Qaeda, they brought your self and your team to wherever, Stan, mountain region they were, to train you up, kit you out, and send you back out to do your thing.
ISIS just did it online.
That was their deal.
That was their whole recruitment platform.
You don't need to come to, you know, Afghanistan or Pakistan.
Click here and donate.
Click here and learn how to fire an AK-47.
And then eventually maybe you'll come downrange and go to one of our camps.
So that's already happening.
And our problem has been You know, it's a free speech thing.
What if these guys are in these chat groups or in these, you know, pro-ISIS organization chapters and they're saying, well, I just support what they say.
I don't support what they do.
It's, it's, it's hard to prosecute that.
It's hard to make that call.
brett dasovic
And it's hard for, I think for a lot of like the free speech Americans who do believe in that, like, especially cause a lot of them are younger, right?
A lot of those ISIS, those kids who got involved with ISIS was like in Minneapolis.
Yeah, or whatever.
Like those were they were like barely out of their teens, right?
hannah claire brimelow
One of the arguments I hear all the time is that especially with the like first generation Americans whose parents are, you know, of one culture and you're kind of torn between the two, they look for identity online and become radicalized.
And so that's a very difficult and sad story to peddle.
On the other hand, you know, ultimately, if the conclusion is radicalization, you have to treat that really seriously.
kash patel
Yeah, it's not fun.
I waded through a lot of those cases.
But you know, people always forget, you're like, we focus on designated foreign terrorist organizations, right?
Because that's the federal law material hook for material support.
And it's not like we're just going after the KKK, right?
Like, obviously, I hate those guys.
But most of what they say is protected free speech, their right to even organize and convene together is protected under the Constitution.
That's the way it should be, right?
But there's a separation between what the KKK does and what ISIS and Al Qaeda and Hamas and all these other organizations, Hezbollah, all these organizations do.
You're talking about people who have done so much destruction to American and American allies that the U.S.
government was like, you're on the list for life.
That's it.
There's like almost no getting off of it.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I wonder what you think of the organizations that are saying, you know, they won't hire these students from Harvard.
I think Lear Hogan just did that.
kash patel
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Because some people say you shouldn't cancel them.
You shouldn't, like, there is an argument that that's not fair.
On the other hand, like, if you're hiring someone and they advocate for, you know, terrorist organizations that we have recognized since, like, what, 1997?
That's pretty serious.
kash patel
Well, first of all, all these institutions are private.
They can do whatever the hell they want.
They can hire whoever they want.
They can come out and say, we don't want Harvard guys who had done X, Y, or Z. They could have done that going back.
hannah claire brimelow
So is it different when Larry Hogan says he won't hire from Harvard?
kash patel
Well, if he's saying that, well, he's not governor anymore, so I don't know where he's hiring these people.
But if he's hiring them for government jobs somewhere, then that's going to be an issue.
But even if, say, JP Morgan, the world's largest bank, is like, yeah, we're not taking anybody from Harvard because of this nonsense.
Okay.
What are they going to do?
It's totally within their right to say that.
We're going to hire murderers.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think it will change how academia- No, those guys are too far gone.
I mean, that's what I always think, that they're sort of lost institutions.
tim pool
Yeah, but a lot of these students started writing letters being like, no, no, no, no, no, we're so sorry.
We didn't know.
And then you got people coming up being like, these students really didn't know it was in the letter.
We should be nice to them.
A lot of these students are marching.
They've not changed their minds.
kash patel
These students go to Harvard.
They're not stupid.
tim pool
Well, they are.
kash patel
That would be their knee-jerk argument.
I went to Ivy League school.
I'm a brilliant person.
brett dasovic
Isn't that a worse indictment?
That you go to Harvard but you didn't read this thing you were signing?
I'm not not hiring you because you said you support Hamas.
I'm not hiring you because you didn't read the damn Paper, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Or you're lying, that you did read it and now you're trying to be like, oh, no, no, I misunderstood.
brett dasovic
Either way, all of those are very bad.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's not great.
kash patel
It's just gonna get worse.
I think it's all connected.
Those institutions, like Harvard, Yale, whatever, any Ivy League school, is connected to this entire pipeline movement that we've been talking about.
When these people flip, when these people write books, when they go on TV.
Who's the person that just got kicked out of somewhere and is now like the Professor at Princeton or Yale.
It just happened this week.
I don't know.
I'll think of it.
Anyway, you get rewarded.
They're part of the reward system.
We're going to make you president of this institute.
We're going to give you a huge contract.
tim pool
What's funny about this, there's a voice actress named Tara Strong and she's the voice of like Timmy Turner and Batgirl, Harley Quinn.
So a lot of people who are familiar with like DC Comics and cartoons have heard her voice.
She was on Drawn Together on Comedy Central.
She got fired from a show because she was tweeting in support of Israel.
So the show abruptly tweeted out that she would no longer be voicing one of their characters.
And then she starts losing it, like, I'm being, I'm finding out from the internet I'm being fired for being Jewish, things like this.
But what I find fascinating about many of these people, uh, Tara Strong has me blocked, right?
Because she's one of these woke leftists.
And despite the fact that we always calmly and rationally tried to explain to them that BLM and the far left want the eradication of Israel, they plug their ears and say, you're far right, you know, blah, blah, blah.
And then the reckoning comes for them.
As we've been warning about for so long, these people who think they can keep their head down and just side with the left will be left alone.
That's not true.
She gets fired because of this.
brett dasovic
Unless you have no opinions whatsoever.
unidentified
Like, literally, you would have to have no opinions whatsoever, because eventually... No, but then they ask you, you're staying quiet on this issue, you're staying quiet on this issue, why are you commenting on it?
tim pool
That's what happened to Vivek Ramaswamy.
hannah claire brimelow
Exactly.
tim pool
They kept demanding, he keeps speaking up, and he was like, I did, and they're like, more, and he's like, I've had it.
brett dasovic
This has been, like, the number, because we've just been talking a lot, because everyone of the, all these celebrities have something to say about what's going on right now, and I'm like, you're not involved in this, like, you don't need to have an opinion on this stuff, it doesn't benefit you.
hannah claire brimelow
It's all of their publicists that have something to say, who are saying you really, really need to tweet about this.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story from Rollingstone.com.
Hollywood stars, musicians call for release of Hamas hostages in letter to President Biden.
You know what the letter's basically saying?
It's saying Joe Biden declare war on Iran.
Okay, but let's read.
They say scores of Hollywood actors, musicians, comedians, and other entertainment figures signed an open letter to President Biden on Monday calling for the release of all hostages Hamas has taken.
Among the hundreds of signatories were Amy Schumer, Jerry Seinfeld, Justin Timberlake, Madonna, Katy Perry, Bradley Cooper.
The letter is part of a campaign called No Hostage Left Behind, which seeks the release of more than 200 hostages taken during the Hamas attack on Israel.
Now, my question is, what is the ask?
Hamas has hostages, so you wrote a letter to Joe Biden.
It's simple.
They're saying, go to war and do whatever you have to do.
kash patel
The anti-war party is saying, go to war and do whatever you have to do.
You know, having run counterterrorism for President Trump and the hostage portfolios and bringing home 54 guys, we kind of know how to do it.
And this, this, this.
Americans have been taken.
Joe Biden has brought home none of them.
The Qatari government has brought home four Americans.
unidentified
Wow.
kash patel
Four.
And this, this warmongering machine, the liberals are saying, yeah, let's do another Afghanistan.
brett dasovic
Hollywood hasn't been anti-war in a long time.
They've been anti-American for a long time, and pro-Islam during Iraq and Afghanistan.
Lots of movies bear that out.
But they're not anti-war.
Not in any sense of the word.
And right now, I think it's worse than that for a lot of this.
I don't even know if it's so much that they think that far ahead.
I think that they just know that these are issues that they need to have an opinion on because of their public persona.
It's a way to stay relevant, right?
hannah claire brimelow
They have to be commenting on it.
brett dasovic
Which is worse, somehow.
hannah claire brimelow
It's ridiculous.
I mean, if you actually cared about anything like this, would you make it so, like, I need to post this tweet so people engage with it, so they see that I'm empathetic.
I mean, it's really ultimately narcissistic and about themselves.
I wonder, though, how much of Hollywood acknowledges that they're not anti-war anymore.
It's the same thing with the Democratic Party being like, We're countercultural!
And you're like, no, you're not.
You are the mainstream force and you market this all the time.
And yet you claim that you're sort of this weird underdog when you're obviously not.
brett dasovic
Their brains don't process that at all.
They still believe that they're the counterculture.
They still believe that they're the party of anti-war.
They also believe that they're the party of the little guy rather than the party of big banks and big money.
But for a lot of it, like I've watched Every one of these celebrities have the most artfully written response that's supposed to appease both sides, only to watch them one by one get taken out instantly because they don't realize.
I think a lot of it is not being fully in touch with your audience.
It's like they don't realize the size of their platforms and just how actually diverse the amount of people.
Yeah, you're going to get soccer moms who like your stuff, but you're also going to get young leftists.
They don't realize that no matter what you say, It's not enough.
It will never be enough because the most vocal of either side will come at you no matter how neutral you remain.
The best thing you could do is not say anything, but they are too addicted to the attention and they need the rub.
hannah claire brimelow
And their self-importance.
They think the world needs their opinion, which is even challenging.
I mean, it's similar to a lot of Politicians who weigh on issues that they're actually probably not that well versed in, but they're saying, you know, if I don't get the right buzz out, then no one will pay attention to me again.
It's desperate.
I mean, you were talking about this before.
They ultimately all want the attention, and that's why I think people fight so hard to stay in office, right?
I mean, the fact that Dianne Feinstein stayed in office until she was actually dead is crazy.
I mean, that is not wanting to give up power.
kash patel
Well, it's power and relevancy, that's all it is.
brett dasovic
Wasn't her net worth like a hundred some million dollars?
kash patel
No, no, it was like a billion.
brett dasovic
Cause she married some crazy wealthy guy.
They were like private jet.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, she married a crazy wealthy guy.
The other thing is like, so in the weeks leading up to her death, she had to sign over a power of attorney to her daughter because there's all kinds of legal disputes over the estate.
And they said, you know, she was really sick this past year.
She had shingles and some complications from that.
And so she needs the money for her medical bills.
I mean, It's such a strange thing where we're having someone who can't fight their own legal battles, but can still be brought to and from.
Nancy Pelosi's daughter was pushing her wheelchair around Congress, but she didn't need to retire.
No worries, she's going to stay.
tim pool
Our country's sick.
hannah claire brimelow
That's disgusting!
That's the thing!
When Josie, the redhead libertarian, was here, she was saying she would want Ron Paul to be Speaker of the House, and I love Ron Paul.
I think he's great.
He is elderly.
Let him just rest and hang out with his kids and write interesting books, but do not make him do this dumb bureaucratic job in Washington until he dies.
This is not the culture I want.
tim pool
And they're the ideological children of Ron Paul that are available.
Dave Smith exists.
We like Dave Smith.
Make him Speaker of the House.
hannah claire brimelow
And then we are again expanding this bench of people who can potentially lead the country in the right direction.
Let's just not make Ron Paul work until the end of time.
brett dasovic
Meanwhile, Mitch McConnell needs to be rebooted every 15 minutes when he's giving a speech.
hannah claire brimelow
The fact that Mitt Romney is the first person to be like, I'll be in my 80s.
I should step down.
It's like the first sensible thing I've ever heard from him in my life.
kash patel
I'm gonna throw a Game of Thrones reference out there.
You know, this is the circle.
This is the wheel that continuously spins, and Donald Trump was the force that broke the wheel.
He broke it for a while and robbed all the people of the Rolling Stone headlines, robbed these people of these important jobs and TV interviews and positions, exploited them for the corrupt actors that they are.
I mean, the insiders trading alone between Pelosi and Feinstein should be enough to send them to prison for an eternity.
brett dasovic
Gotta get that Pelosi tracker out.
kash patel
It's called Unusual Whales.
unidentified
If you want to invest in stocks, just look at Unusual Whales.
kash patel
They are literally citing the upcoming legislation that these guys are betting their gambles on and they track it all.
And you can go probably like five to seven percent return on there.
But they figured this out and now it'll probably spread where they'll be like, oh, most Americans have figured it out.
So, you know, we're going to make this legal.
serge du preez
But they still need to make money, right?
So they're still going to keep doing it.
kash patel
They're never going to write themselves into law that says, oh, well, we can't do this.
tim pool
Matt Gaetz and AOC teamed up trying to stop them from doing it.
hannah claire brimelow
The younger generation is saying like, hey, wait, maybe this isn't great.
brett dasovic
It's like telling them to introduce term limits.
tim pool
I'm optimistic because if you look at Matt Gaetz, the reason he's able to do what he does is because his donors are individuals on the internet.
He's got small donors.
He doesn't need to go to one man for a million dollars, he can go to a million men for one dollar.
kash patel
And women.
So look, whatever you think about Matt, and I've known Matt a long time, about whether he's right to start this process or wrong to start this process.
No, I'm just saying, whatever your position is, I agree, but I'm saying, He was the only one that I know of that could go to the well of the floor in the House of Representatives and announce to the world that I have not accepted one dollar from one lobbyist or one defense industrial complex organization.
Mind you, Matt has one of the biggest Air Force bases we have in his home district!
unidentified
Wow.
kash patel
So for him to go out and say that, and then the chorus of boos comes in, and his response to me was perfect.
Every single one of those people booing took a six and seven figure paycheck to their super PACs, maxed out donations, parties in DC, had them on their jets and their planes, and they were caught red-handed with what Donald Trump had caught them with, being the biggest hypocrites who are in charge of running our democracy.
And I think he's excoriated for it now.
Because we're in this position where, we'll probably just have Tim Poole become speaker, but we'll get to that.
We're in this position where, you know, they're like, it's a rudderless government.
I was like, how, how well was it steered when McCarthy was- It wasn't great, to be fair.
You kicked the debt ceiling, you were gonna give us another CR, these oversight investigations that were supposed to promise the, you know, the end of time, were running, were being run by wet noodles, and you weren't empowering them to enforce their subpoenas.
And now we have an exposure.
I think it's a big civics education.
You have people paying attention.
Of course, the left is going to come and be like, the Republicans are ruining the governor.
But hey, right now they can't pass a CR or an omnibus because they can't fund war either.
They can't fund a war.
They can't write a check to the Ukraine.
tim pool
I'm seeing a lot of these conservatives on Twitter be like, what did we really gain from Matt Gaetz's stunt?
And like, why did he do this?
And I'm just sitting back like, you know, All the libertarians are laughing because now there's stagnation and there's no more wasteful spending because they can't.
kash patel
They can't write a check?
brett dasovic
It's not what we gained, it's what Zelensky lost.
kash patel
Dude, have you even heard of that guy?
brett dasovic
like about happy. No, he is so mad. He's begging. He's not happy being the side piece. No, no.
hannah claire brimelow
After all this stuff, like after the October 7 stuff happened in Israel, he was like putting
out statements like, yes, we too have suffered. Don't forget that we need some money here.
brett dasovic
It's that friend who like every time something bad happens to you, it's like, yes, something
kash patel
worse happened to me. You know, what would be a good way to get Ukraine and I'm not saying there's
people over there that don't need help. And obviously Russia's attacking a lot of zones.
But when you go on the interwebs and you type in like Kiev nightclub, it's like Miami beach.
Have you seen these freaking parties? Like my friends have gone over there,
do a bunch of work over there. And they're like, What wars not like what are you talking about?
brett dasovic
You can't have that going on and ask the world for five hundred billion dollars It is funny because I have like friends that skate in both Russia and Ukraine and if you're a hockey guy No, it's well, I mean hockey too, but that's it's skating is like aggression But like, if you were going by their social media posts, like their story posts, it's like the ones who are in Ukraine are posting about fundraising for their, you know, fundraising for the military, but then you see their posts and they're just out skating at the skate park, and I'm like, how is that happening right now?
tim pool
No, no, no, this is something people don't get.
I talk about it a bit.
People don't understand that countries in war are not every, every, every place in this country is at war.
serge du preez
Not total warfare.
tim pool
No, but this is a story everyone's heard me say ad nauseum.
In Egypt, during the second revolution, two blocks away from Tahrir Square, where the revolution is taking place, there's a guy at a McDonald's watching a soccer match.
There was a casino in the Hilton Hotel.
You were not allowed to enter if you were an Egyptian citizen, because it's... What's the word?
Is haram the right word?
Like, it's a violation.
brett dasovic
Unclean.
tim pool
Tourists were gambling in there, playing roulette, craps, blackjack.
serge du preez
Yeah, of course.
tim pool
Two blocks away from a revolution where Apache helicopters are flying over and there's APCs, people are shooting at each other in the streets, and blocks away, nobody cares.
hannah claire brimelow
And these things become normalized, right?
I mean, think about the protests in Paris this year.
There were so many videos of, like, these people having dinner at, like, whatever cute little cafe, and meanwhile something's on fire, and someone's throwing something through a window.
Like, if you've been in conflict for a year, at a certain point, you know, Zelensky's not gonna keep you from the bars.
brett dasovic
Is this a video of the girl doing a TikTok dance while a military coup is going on behind her?
No, that's on Myanmar.
serge du preez
That's actually to bring it to Burma.
brett dasovic
There you go.
serge du preez
She was actually a yoga thing or something like that.
It's even better.
hannah claire brimelow
You know her?
You call her sir?
serge du preez
No, no, no.
It's just like, it was great.
brett dasovic
That's very current year.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I know Tim is feeling impassioned about this subject.
If that conflict has been going on for actual decades, you just live with it.
serge du preez
Yeah, eventually.
tim pool
Alright, I'm gonna, let's shatter some hearts.
kash patel
Oh, you're gonna do it.
tim pool
Here we go, from the New York Post.
UFC partners with Bud Light as Embattled Beer tries to fight off Dylan Mulvaney backlash.
kash patel
I don't understand this.
unidentified
Bud Light must be paying them so much money.
tim pool
I'll break it down very simply.
Bud Light, they're having a meeting being like, okay, everybody's calling us names and saying we're weak and effeminate and gay and whatever.
We need to sponsor the manliest thing imaginable.
How about MMA?
They go to UFC.
I bet the first phone call they had with UFC, UFC is like, are you joking?
And wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, don't hang up, don't hang up.
We'll give you a hundred million dollars."
kash patel
And they're like, that's not a lot of money to UFC.
unidentified
That's the starting bid.
brett dasovic
You're right.
kash patel
I'd like to see what the price tag was.
brett dasovic
UFC is owned by Endeavor, right?
So Endeavor is this massive conglomerate that just bought WWE as well.
So they own both of these companies.
It's all Ari Emanuel.
A hundred million dollars wouldn't even move the needle for them.
hannah claire brimelow
And I just want to say, I know we were critiquing people for not standing by their values at the top of the show.
I thought we were trying to get rid of the fratty culture around Bud Light.
tim pool
Let me read this.
Anheuser-Busch and Bud Light were UFC's original beer sponsors more than 15 years ago.
I'm proud to announce we are back in business together.
Dana White said in a statement, there are many reasons why I chose to go with Anheuser-Busch and Bud Light.
Most importantly, because I feel we are very aligned when it comes to our core values and what the UFC brand stands for.
I'm looking forward to all of the incredible things we will do in the years ahead.
What he's really saying is, bro, the paycheck was huge!
hannah claire brimelow
You would not believe all the zeros.
brett dasovic
I mean, Bill Mulvaney vs. Fallon Fox will go on this year.
tim pool
The values they share are the amount of zeros on the back of the checks.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, so many zeros you cannot believe.
tim pool
The values he's referring to are monetary values.
kash patel
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
This is a good picture too where he's just like, look guys, I just had to say.
brett dasovic
They had to make a longer check.
There were so many zeros.
hannah claire brimelow
Also, I mean, Bud Light's going to do whatever Dana White asks now, right?
kash patel
Is Dylan Mulvaney going to be the card girl or whatever?
hannah claire brimelow
No, there's no way that they repartner with Dylan Mulvaney.
tim pool
But I, this is, what did Bud Light try to sponsor?
Harley Davidson?
It didn't work?
hannah claire brimelow
No, nothing worked.
tim pool
Do they really think?
I gotta be honest, I'm willing to bet there's a lot of MMA guys who are gonna be like, F. No.
kash patel
Pissed.
tim pool
Yeah.
Pissed.
Here's what I imagine.
You're gonna hear press conferences with some fighters, and they're gonna rag on Bud Light.
It's gonna be worse for Bud Light by trying to do this.
For whatever reason, MMA guys tend to be particularly based, as it were, or red-pilled.
kash patel
Have you seen the entrance that Donald Trump made at the last UFC fight in Las Vegas?
Dana White and Mark Wahlberg both said they've never heard anything like that.
Do you think Donald Trump is gonna walk back down hand-in-hand with Dana White holding a freaking Bud Light?
Like, you're right, those fighters, I know a lot of them.
I live in Vegas, my buddy has one of the most successful MMA training centers and owns like half the fighters in the UFC.
These guys are not gonna tolerate this, and they have massive social media following.
tim pool
But it's not just about even personal conviction.
If you're someone with a big presence, and they're telling you to stand in front of a Bud Light, you know, marquee or whatever, you're gonna be like, no!
I'm gonna get roasted!
kash patel
Are you nuts? But then they're gonna say, oh, you're under contract, so you gotta do it.
tim pool
It's gonna get weird. Yeah, but MMA dudes are not the kind of guys to be like,
no, what contract? They're the kind of guys that are gonna be like, I'll rip it up in front of
hannah claire brimelow
your face. Yeah, they don't care. There's no second UFC.
They can't be like, I'm switching leagues and I'm going over here, right? It's all owned by
kash patel
the one thing.
There's the UFC, there's the PFL, they're all owned by the one thing.
tim pool
But look, you look at all these industries.
We were talking earlier about like Jenna Ellis pleading guilty and they're all caving and bending the knee.
UFC, not even just MMA in general, has a very high density of individuals who will tell you to shove it.
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
But I think it's kind of obvious, like, these are guys who work really, really hard.
They're top level athletes, but they're also very, very capable people who are not worried about what you think you can take from them.
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm wondering how many MMA fighters go, I don't really care about that.
You'll probably get some.
kash patel
What's like the big UFC chat space?
I would love to see what they're posting already.
Some of these top fighters, like if you look at the top, like 10 fighters to see if any one of those guys have put something out on, uh, on, uh, Dylan, I can't believe this is a headline.
hannah claire brimelow
What would their contracts look like, though?
If it wasn't Bud Light, if it was a monster or whatever, are they not allowed to disparage the brand?
What does it look like?
kash patel
There's usually non-disparagement clauses, or you have to wear the shorts.
Are these guys going to walk in with Bud Light on the floor of the Octagon?
Well, it's a big sponsorship.
hannah claire brimelow
Also, it's gonna be such terrible optics, like these guys grappling on the ground over Bud Light.
Like, I don't like it.
kash patel
That's gross.
I mean, just picture these optics.
Like, you have just taken a monster defecation on Bud Light for the last year.
brett dasovic
There is also, there's a large proponent of that industry that's going to be very normie, that isn't gonna know what's going on with the- Oh, you think so?
hannah claire brimelow
I think that's what they're betting.
brett dasovic
I think they're trying to see if this is- I think that there's plenty of normie- I think that we fall into a little bit of tunnel vision here.
hannah claire brimelow
I will say the Bud Light and the Target back-to-back boycotts were so big.
I mean, I know non-political people who are really mad about this.
And so they are gambling that... About Target?
unidentified
Yeah, both of them.
hannah claire brimelow
But the thing is, they're gambling that these issues from earlier in the year have been memory hold.
And I just don't think that's the case.
I think especially with the people in this particular industry, they remember, they oppose it.
kash patel
I mean, No, and the UFC world writ large.
I mean, you gotta, you're right.
I think in any other sports it would be diluted, but the UFC world, I mean, you gotta pull up the video of Trump.
All of those people went, ate stuff.
tim pool
It was a hundred million dollars.
kash patel
No way.
unidentified
That's it?
kash patel
I'm pretty sure.
tim pool
I mean, wow.
I'm just, I'm looking at tweets.
kash patel
They're all in on it.
tim pool
People are tweeting a hundred million dollars.
brett dasovic
Maybe the most hilariously dystopian thing I saw this year is watching like during the playoffs for baseball.
There's like a giant Lockheed Martin sign behind, like in center field during the Astros.
tim pool
It was just ridiculous.
$100 million.
hannah claire brimelow
And how much stock does Dana White personally own in Bud Light?
If it goes back up, what does he get out of it personally?
tim pool
My understanding is that if he bought stock in Anheuser-Busch before this deal, that's insider trading.
hannah claire brimelow
But what if they gave it to him as part of the deal?
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
You know what I mean?
tim pool
So now- Yeah, well, actually, no, not him individually.
So if it's a $100 million deal, if they cut him in on the side, I think that's also insider trading.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I'm just wondering, because, like, if that does seem low, $100 million, so I have to assume that he's personally profiting in some way.
brett dasovic
Like, I buy that the people that are there live at the event would be that way.
tim pool
And they ditched Modelo.
serge du preez
Yeah, they did.
tim pool
We like Modelo!
serge du preez
Yeah, we do.
hannah claire brimelow
That's crazy.
tim pool
It's the biggest sponsorship in UFC history.
hannah claire brimelow
Target's the next one, guys.
tim pool
I tell ya, like he said, we share a lot of values, and that value is monetary.
serge du preez
I mean, Bellator's probably excited about this.
They're definitely going to get some fighters who are going to be like, ah, screw this, I'm going to go to Bellator.
kash patel
Yeah, yeah, you're right.
serge du preez
Yeah, honestly.
hannah claire brimelow
That's the thing.
If they have an alternative, you're potentially losing good fighters to that.
It just depends on how... Like, that's why I want to know about the contracts.
kash patel
If they can't get out of it, they have to... They're all owned by the same... Bellator, UFC, and PFL are all the same owners.
hannah claire brimelow
But they're not going to have to wear, like, the jerseys or the shorts if they change.
You know what I mean?
kash patel
Even if it's ultimately owned by the same... Well, who's going to be the first guy to wear a Bud Light fight suit?
serge du preez
Bud Light shorts.
They're gonna need a meme to high hell, I can tell you that.
But I really think it's the same owner.
They're just gonna go to the other bouts.
Why would they drive this to Crown?
They're the only one sponsoring Bud Light and let's say Bellator isn't, then why wouldn't
they just go fight Bellator?
Yeah.
Maybe the pot, the cat, I guess the money's different.
kash patel
The pot's different.
Yeah, the cut is way less.
hannah claire brimelow
But would it change if more people were in the league?
serge du preez
Yeah, that's what I mean.
What if all the viewers are like, I'm not going to watch UFC anymore because of this?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, forget this Trump fraud stuff.
Tell us about this, guys.
kash patel
You'd have to upend, like, you'd have to get all the tier one fighters out of the UFC, dump them down into PFL and Bellator, where most of the amateur fights are, and you'd have to reorient the, I mean, Dana White owns it, so, well, he doesn't, they own it, but Dana runs it.
They're not going to change what a multi-billion dollar industry I mean, maybe if this Bud Light thing backfires, but… $100 million just seems small.
brett dasovic
I don't know why, but it seems small to me for that type of investment.
It doesn't seem like enough.
hannah claire brimelow
So maybe they really do share values, and that's terrifying, right?
What values are we getting from Bud Light right now?
kash patel
Man, Tim Kass could have sponsored it for that kind of money.
Yeah, no way.
hannah claire brimelow
You don't want to have your face on all of the UFC's jerseys and stuff?
tim pool
Yeah, if I had $100 million!
Geez, know anybody?
hannah claire brimelow
No.
tim pool
I mean- Bud Light.
If Bud Light came to me and offered me 100 million dollars, I would say no.
That's what I was talking about earlier with, like, these corrupt people in Congress that make all this money.
I'm like, I don't- I don't- I don't understand it.
I mean, at a certain point, like, maybe it's just, like, a leftist worldview?
kash patel
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
At what point does Bud Light try to get on Public Square?
tim pool
That's what I really- In five years when Public Square is bigger than Amazon and anyone who's not on that platform is struggling to get sales because they're considered fringe and weird, Bud Light then apologizes and pledges to support American values and family values.
hannah claire brimelow
You could never trust them to do any of that.
kash patel
Tucker just put in a million on Public Square.
tim pool
A Public Square put a million on Tucker.
kash patel
Yeah, sorry.
tim pool
I know, it's amazing.
kash patel
It's a smart move.
tim pool
A brilliant move.
Tucker's got a massive show with a massive presence and now Public Square gets the sole sponsorship for a million bucks.
It's a good deal.
kash patel
For them, it's a great deal.
tim pool
I mean, Public Square is the most important culture war business and application right now.
You download an app that shows you the businesses that agree with your values.
That's it.
unidentified
Yeah.
No question.
hannah claire brimelow
It's incredible.
And it's so amazing that Michael saw the need and filled it.
I mean, that's what I wish more people would do.
kash patel
They've had a rough ride though.
They came in high and it's pretty down right now in the stock world.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think they're recovering?
kash patel
Yeah, they came in at like 30.
They're at like 5 now.
tim pool
Public squares?
Well, that's normal though.
kash patel
That's a big drop from an IPO inside of a year.
tim pool
Yeah, but Facebook went from like, what, 45 to like, 9?
kash patel
Yeah, you're right.
tim pool
That's why everyone's always like, be careful when buying at an IPO, because it always drops off.
They sell it, they dump a whole bunch and it falls down.
Yeah, but you know, it is what it is.
My concern is...
How are we winning the culture war, and what are we doing?
And we had Coral Benjamin on the show, and he was like, the right's not organized, we're not doing anything, and then I'm like, Public Square does this, and his eyebrows go up, and he's like, oh, that's actually brilliant.
kash patel
Yeah, there are companies out there, they're just, it's hard to break through.
There's a lot of companies that see the world that way.
There's cell phone companies, there's coffee companies, there's payment processing companies, and all these people do it.
It's just, it's a beast.
tim pool
Someone already superchatted saying they cancelled their UFC Fight Pass subscription.
unidentified
Oof.
hannah claire brimelow
It is also hard to keep the tally going.
brett dasovic
A lot of these companies, if a larger company then offers you a ton of money.
tim pool
Jeremy's fighting championships.
kash patel
JFC.
tim pool
I'm gonna text Jeremy Boring right now and be like, bro, can you launch an MMA?
hannah claire brimelow
His brand is crazier and crazier and they all have the chocolate bars with them.
tim pool
I'm imagining like his assistant runs into his office right now and they're like, they're like, Mr. Boring, Mr. Boring, and they hold up the paper and he's like, wait, does this work or does this not work?
brett dasovic
He's like, who here's in the best shape?
We need to film an ad right now.
tim pool
Yeah.
kash patel
What do you think?
Does this take for UFC?
Does this work or does this not work?
Oh, no, I think they're going to eat it.
tim pool
Well, look, no matter what happens, there is going to be controversy.
The fact that we're even talking about it and people are saying they're canceling because of it.
There's already controversy.
It may not be that big of a deal, because the average person who watches MMA or whatever might just be like, dude, I don't care about that stuff.
I want to watch the champion fight, the champ fight the contender or whatever.
And so we'll see.
But I kind of think a lot of UFC guys are very vocal.
Politically, they don't care.
They believe what they believe, and they are not weak people.
There's a high density of individuals that are in MMA that are just like, I will say what I believe, screw you.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think it'll be the boycott that we saw with Bud Light itself, because Bud Light, you can pick alternatives, right?
If there's really no alternative, you'll see there are people who are like, look, I like this.
I work hard.
I want to watch the fights.
Like, I'm not going to buy it.
kash patel
Are they going to have other beers there?
unidentified
I don't know.
kash patel
When this was going down, I went to, I spent a lot of time in Nashville and I'm a big country music fan, and I went to a Luke Combs concert out in Titan Stadium.
Like, you know, 55,000 people.
And they were still under contract with Bud Light, whoever was putting on that show.
When I left the arena, I couldn't find... When I walked in, I couldn't find one person holding a can of Bud Light.
They were drinking everything else that they could get their hands on.
When I left the arena, there were truckloads of Bud Light stations around the arena that had not sold, like, more than 3% of their beers.
I mean, they were just stacked to the ceiling.
So if they did that in country music in Nashville, like, it's not a far stretch that they don't buy their stuff here.
Now, I guess it doesn't matter since they already have the money.
tim pool
What happens if a fighter comes out and right when he comes out he goes, don't buy Bud Light?
kash patel
Somebody's gonna say that.
tim pool
I know!
kash patel
Some dude is getting up and saying that.
tim pool
And Bud Light's gonna be like, wow, this made things worse.
kash patel
Actually, there's a massive fight in Madison Square Garden in two weeks.
UFC's going there.
Supposedly, there's going to be some appearances from some celebrities.
hannah claire brimelow
Like Dylan Mulvaney?
tim pool
Oh, interesting.
kash patel
So we'll see how this... We're going to know how this shakes out, I'm telling you, in like two weeks.
tim pool
It's just... Bud Light has had a marketing catastrophe since this started and they've never figured out what to do about it because they could have just apologized.
kash patel
Yeah, we got it wrong.
See you later.
tim pool
Sorry, guys.
This was a young marketing millennial.
We apologize.
We're not going to do it again.
Instead, they've been trying- Triple, quadruple down.
Oh, they've been sponsoring Pride events.
hannah claire brimelow
But then all of, what was this, the gay bars in Chicago were like, we're not buying that beer.
You're not supporting Dylan Mulvaney enough.
kash patel
Yep, they got double out.
tim pool
That's right.
brett dasovic
And all of the leftists who weren't buying it anyways are just going to not buy it anyways, because they weren't buying it in the first place.
hannah claire brimelow
It was a dumb move.
And like I said, their marketing executive said that thing, I came in to fix the fratty reputation.
I'm sorry, but I learned about UFC with guys who were in fraternities, that they were the ones who were playing it every Saturday.
unidentified
Do you think that this is going to be forgotten?
brett dasovic
This has become every marketing department.
In a lot of American companies now is they're chasing this phantom audience that they believe that they can expand their portfolio on, right?
They think that there's this magical group.
It's happened in comics.
It's happened in films.
And they always think there's this magical group of people.
First of all, they don't have money.
The people that they're actually looking to buy stuff for, they don't have money anyways.
And they go looking for it and then they end up destroying their own market share by insulting the people that they actually make it for in the first place.
kash patel
But then these guys come in on the other side.
I don't know if you saw.
I can't remember the name of the company.
It's like Conservative Beer of America or whatever.
It's ultra-right.
tim pool
Ultra-right.
kash patel
Exploded in sales.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like two million dollars or something.
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, that's why I said Jeremy's Fighting Championship or whatever.
Whatever it is he stands for.
Jeremy Boring's got a chocolate bar company.
We got to order more of those, by the way.
Everybody really loved them.
But people didn't like the one with nuts.
They liked the ones with no nuts.
Because it's he, him, she.
hannah claire brimelow
I want to make a dark chocolate bar.
That's what I'm waiting for.
brett dasovic
I'm sure that name won't be offensive at all.
hannah claire brimelow
I'd love to see what he comes up with, you know?
brett dasovic
It'll be fantastic.
hannah claire brimelow
Let's just find out.
brett dasovic
It is always funny, though, every time a new product has to come out, it's like Patriot Water.
And some new product needs to be... Stars and Stripes cereal?
Hey, that's not a bad idea!
unidentified
Okay, but if anyone makes that, I deserve a cut.
tim pool
I think it was Ryan Long who did that video where it's like left-wing podcast sponsors versus right-wing.
brett dasovic
Patriot Dirt.
tim pool
The left-wing one was like, welcome to the anti-establishment, anti-government podcast sponsored by Monsanto.
And then on the right, it was like, Patriot water!
It's water, but for Patriots!
brett dasovic
And the other ones are all MREs and instant food.
tim pool
Left-wing podcasts all have massive sponsors from McDonald's, big corporations.
brett dasovic
Ryan Long doesn't miss.
tim pool
Oh yeah, no, he had that really good one about Israel-Palestine.
That was brilliant.
Actor doesn't know who to support.
brett dasovic
And another one of his that's been going around again recently is the winner.
He's like, I sell the footage to Fox and I sell the footage to CNN.
hannah claire brimelow
If you play it backwards, it looks fine.
unidentified
No, no, he's like I once sent pick a video to Fox News of protesters picking up litter and I said don't worry if you play it backwards there They need Ryan Long to come in and be like this is how you respond to Ashley St.
Clair's boot thing They need a Canadian to come in and fix it.
hannah claire brimelow
They need some foreign nationals consulting.
tim pool
So this is the point I made about Trump is that here's that one clip where he's like They're too bright, they're making me look orange!
And everyone busts out laughing.
You can't make fun of Trump because Trump's in on the joke.
DeSantis' campaign doesn't get that, or they're intentionally sabotaging him.
So they're just like, don't make fun of me, you're stupid, you're dumb.
kash patel
It's like, wow.
None of it's landing, none of it's sticking.
It's just, his campaign's over.
I mean, I think so, yeah.
I don't know, but I will watch that debate between him and Newsom.
Maybe Bud Light can sponsor that debate.
tim pool
I'm more interested in whether or not a UFC fighter comes out and says, yo, what?
You know what?
kash patel
Let me text a few right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
We'd like some exclusive comments from them on air.
That'd be great.
I mean, my question again goes back to contracts.
Like, what are they allowed to say?
And I would be interested if If in violation of their contract, potentially giving up a lot of money, they say something anyways, because I think that is what we need.
People who are saying, I don't like this.
And I didn't forget why we were boycotting Bud Light in the first place.
I still remember why we were not buying things at Target.
I mean, that's the fact of the boycott.
It's difficult for them to last forever, especially if there's no alternative.
On the other hand, let's not forget why we went into them in the first place.
It was earlier this year.
We can't have ceded the ground so quickly.
brett dasovic
A big part of it, though, is in Dana White's mind is the idea that they waited, like, a sufficient amount of time has passed, and trying it now is not the same as trying it in August or trying it in September.
unidentified
For sure.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I don't think he would have touched it in July, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
But on the other hand, it makes me wonder about the money, and it makes me wonder about his potential other dealings.
kash patel
I think it does not go well.
unidentified
Yeah, there's no way, right?
This is not- I can't wait now to get back home and be like, WTF, what are you- And all of these fighters that you know can be like, Bud Light, really?
hannah claire brimelow
Gross.
serge du preez
Yeah.
kash patel
They already hated it.
serge du preez
Yeah.
kash patel
So now what, are they gonna be forced to paint it on their face?
Like when they walk out?
serge du preez
Yeah.
kash patel
Bud Light flags, Bud Light cups, they're gonna- it's- we'll know, couple weeks.
Huge fight, Madison Square Garden.
hannah claire brimelow
And that's crazy.
serge du preez
Yeah, we'll see what Strickland and Covington and all those people have to say about it, too, because they've been pretty pretty outright about their opinions.
kash patel
So they're not, as Tim said, they ain't shutting up.
serge du preez
No, definitely not.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, unless they are made to shut up.
That's what I come back to.
There are always obligations.
kash patel
I mean, yeah, but like these guys are just they don't even they don't they don't care about the contract.
Here, let's see what the CFC fighters said.
unidentified
Oh my gosh, breaking news live on TimCast.
hannah claire brimelow
Does he know you're on air right now?
unidentified
Are we allowed to say who it is?
kash patel
Oh no, I'm not going to say who it is.
hannah claire brimelow
What the heck?
I just said we were having breaking news.
kash patel
What did they say?
The fighters don't know about it and they're pissed.
hannah claire brimelow
So they found out with everyone else, they are the Sophie Turner to Joe Jonas.
kash patel
It's kind of like, yeah, how apparently all big news breaks nowadays.
You don't tell your own people, you just tell the nature of the media.
tim pool
This came out a couple hours ago, this news broke, and wow, Tuesday evening is like the best possible day for Bud Light.
It's maximum PR day, Tuesday.
Friday and Saturday, Saturday is like just- Things get lost.
Unheard of to release something on Saturday.
brett dasovic
Friday at five.
tim pool
Friday at 5 is where you bury it.
But Bud Light was like, and we want you to announce Tuesday evening.
hannah claire brimelow
This is a great idea.
kash patel
In the middle of a war, in the middle of, you know.
brett dasovic
He's like, could we soften it to Thursday at 10?
hannah claire brimelow
They were confident it was a Tuesday.
I just can't imagine though.
Can you imagine like, this is a great idea.
Dana White says yes, and everyone will not think about it.
kash patel
Well, they're just going to see the power of USC probably fade just a touch here on this one because they might have the golden touch, but not the Bud Light golden touch.
It ain't coming back.
I'm sorry.
tim pool
It's a tall order.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, and the thing with the Bud Light boycotts is there are tons of people who work, you know, in their breweries or whatever else who are normal people who were swept up in a national controversy that I'm sure they didn't actually want to be a part of, right?
I mean, this is corporate leadership betraying the actual workers.
brett dasovic
They're like Dillon and Zhu.
kash patel
Maybe Bud Light can sponsor Hamas.
tim pool
I'll read the Super Chats more in detail, but I'll just paraphrase one saying that a lot of these fighters don't make a lot of money.
Dana White bringing in this money could help get these guys paid more, and I'm just like, look, if you're a pro, if you've got sponsors, Let's say you've got five sponsors.
You've got companies A, B, C, D, and E. And then you decide to add on Bud Light.
And now you have a big Bud Light patch on your jacket or your pants or whatever.
Those other companies are gonna be like, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude.
Out.
We're done.
We're cutting you off.
I mean, look.
If we sponsored something and then someone decided to put Bud Light next to it, I'd be like, no way, dude.
We don't want to be associated with that.
We're not going to sponsor if you're working with them because it's just like, we don't agree with their values.
It's bad across the board.
That's a problem.
I'm wondering, I don't know how sponsorships work for a lot of these fighters, but sponsorships are a big portion of how athletes make money.
I assume it's the same for UFC.
If they're now like, look man, we don't wanna be overlapping with Bud Light.
Our audience, like let's say there's a jerky company.
They're gonna be like, if people find out that we're sponsoring this stuff, like we're gonna lose money.
We're better off sponsoring something else.
kash patel
No, it's like 100 to 200,000 a patch, right?
On a short or something like that.
And you have like two, maybe three, right?
So yeah, are you gonna pull those off to put Bud Light on?
And what is Bud Light gonna offer you?
Or is the UFC gonna mandate That if you want to fight in the UFC, you have to have the Bud Light logo on your stuff.
And that would force it, and then... I don't think it's likely.
tim pool
But there is a slim probability that there's a massive backlash to UFC over doing this Bud Light thing.
Like, you're mentioning fighters are pissed.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't know to what degree people actually care, but let's just operate under the assumption there's a big backlash.
I mean, the people screaming and cheering for Trump are gonna be like, boo, it's gonna be gnarly.
And then, if that does happen, you will get other sponsors going to UFC and being like, do not put our logo next to Bud Light.
Like, we do not want to be a part of whatever it is you're a part of.
You do that, that's fine.
Is Dana White risking losing other sponsors by doing this deal with Bud Light?
kash patel
I think so.
I mean, I just don't see how the loyalty brand that UFC has built up and whether or not you think UFC is political, you have to just go to one of these events and look at the people and talk to them.
They are dialed in.
They are educated.
They are more into the know about the news and mainstream media than people give them credit for because they're like, oh, you guys just like fights.
They're actually more dialed in than anything else.
You can't get that kind of reaction to anyone walking in unless they know what the F's going on.
And they side with them.
It's not like they hate them in unison.
They went the other way.
So if you fill a stadium full of people with like that for your sport, I can't imagine the other people watching it aren't feeling mostly the same way in some form.
And especially the social media responses I saw Or for people who weren't there, were exactly the same way.
tim pool
Someone in the regular chat said, everyone has a price, Million Dollar Man.
Even your mothers have a price.
And that's just not true.
It is not true that everyone has a price.
kash patel
Most do.
tim pool
Most do.
And that price could actually be lower than people realize, or higher than people realize.
And I wonder if that's just...
People have not tried to sign deals before, like there are people with no price.
None.
And as we've tried to hire and acquire, you learn 90 plus percent of people in this space, there is no price you could buy them for.
90 plus.
And I'm not talking about compromising values, I'm talking about we've gone to people who have like moderate social media followings and we're like, would you want to like join the TimCast team and like we would help distribute and market and they're like, no.
Why?
I don't need it.
What am I going to do with it?
And I'm like, well, like we could, we could help you make more money.
We'll pay you more upfront.
We'll then seek ways to monetize.
We'll then try and like, we'll, we'll promote it.
And they're like, no, thanks though.
hannah claire brimelow
It's just like, it's not hostile.
They just don't need it.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It's for a lot of these people with social media and internet, when they're making six figures on their own already, there is nothing you can offer them because they're like, Freedom.
It's like, I could take a day off whenever I want, I answer to no one, I've got good money, for what reason would I sign this deal?
And I'm like, you're right.
unidentified
Fair point.
hannah claire brimelow
And for most people, deals offer security, but if they feel confident, if they're established enough, they don't need that either.
It's like being a small business.
tim pool
The challenge is, most people worth hiring are people who have proven with a portfolio of their work.
And have already found ways of monetizing it in the modern era.
So I, you know, it's not just that too, but especially in the world of political convictions, you'll find a lot of people are just unwilling to do deals.
Hey, Bud Light had a price.
I mean, UFC had a price.
I'm really interested in like all the MMA fighters coming out being like, no.
hannah claire brimelow
And which one of them is going to be like a hundred million?
Are you kidding me?
We could have gone for more.
tim pool
Oh, for real, they could have gone for more, I bet.
I bet if they went to Bud Light and says, this is your only chance, you gotta make it a billion dollars.
Some ridiculous number.
hannah claire brimelow
You should have.
tim pool
A billion over- You should have.
kash patel
I don't know what they were thinking.
tim pool
Over the course of- over a period of time, the way they would do it is like a billion dollars over ten years, or whatever.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, maybe it's a hundred million dollars for the ten- I- like, is there a way to get there?
Bud Light is a dead brand.
And the hundred million dollars you're seeing isn't confirmed by the brands, it's just something you're seeing reported online, right?
tim pool
A bunch of news outlets have reported a hundred million dollars.
unidentified
Really?
hannah claire brimelow
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, we're gonna go to Super Chats.
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You have to sign up at least 25 bucks a month or be a $10 member for at least six months to submit questions.
But let's read.
Clint Torres says, howdy people.
He got the first Super Chat.
kash patel
That's two days in a row.
tim pool
Sorry man.
They must be there at like 7.39.
They are so ready to go.
Jason takes us love you guys. Soco Patriot howdy. My local gun shop follows up with no and crying
hannah claire brimelow
emojis. Sorry man. You didn't make it. They must be there at like 7 39. They are so ready to go.
tim pool
Yeah finger on the trigger. All right. Barely a millennial says do you think these bizarre
pro Hamas protests and rallies across the country and the world are the result of years of indoctrination?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Or are they funded by someone like Soros or some other entity?
unidentified
Yes.
kash patel
Maybe both.
tim pool
How do we expose it?
So, it's a combination.
You will find when you go to these protests, if you accuse these people of getting paid by Soros, they're confused because none of them are.
But, of the 300 or 400 people you might see in a protest, there will be 10 who are paid by a non-profit, which they don't realize receives a large amount of funding from the Open Society Foundation.
What they'll do is organize the protest, create an effort, a viral effort of, tell your friends, come, this is when we're doing it.
Then when all these people show up, they're like, what do you mean?
We're not paid.
This is not a paid event.
It was like, this only exists because Open Society Foundation funded nonprofits and foundations, which the money trickles down to these NGOs, these nonprofits and NGOs, which then hire people to have them organize rallies.
That's how it works.
unidentified
Yep.
serge du preez
True.
kash patel
All right.
tim pool
I know Baca says hi all, long time listener, first time super chatter.
Would Cash consider becoming Trump's AG?
unidentified
Listen, I would say please.
kash patel
The mission for me right now is getting him elected.
That's my job.
So I will work tirelessly until November of next year to make that mission a reality.
And I, you know, look, I can share this.
I have a lot of conversations with him, but the one I had in private that I thought was going to be like a three hour conversation, maybe like a year and change ago, because when we didn't know what he was going to do, and I was like, what the hell am I going to do?
You don't know what you're going to do.
So I was driving up to Bedminster and I was like, okay boss, I got the afternoon.
Let's sit down and jam!
And he goes, Cash, I'm all in.
I go, all right, I'm all in.
See you later.
Shortest meeting I ever had, never looked back.
And yeah, we've talked about how personnel should be set in the next Trump administration.
It's a huge component of my book, Government Gangsters.
Like, you can't just replace the secretaries.
You got to go down 15 rungs in every single department, at the White House, every agency.
I mean, we have the list and I have the list of an index in the book.
That's why it's called Government Gangsters.
There's an index.
From A to B in the back of the book of every government gangster that I ever encountered.
tim pool
Can I say a name?
kash patel
Yeah, it's published!
And so, like, you know, if he asked me to come back in a high level position, of course I'd go back.
hannah claire brimelow
But would you want AG or would you want, like, Chief of Staff?
I mean, where would you want to be?
Because they're very different positions.
kash patel
Yeah, look.
The AG position works if you have a great DAG and a great FBI director.
Otherwise you're kind of screwed.
Or do you want to go do ops?
Or do you want to go take on DOD?
I've worked in all three of those places and they're all awesome.
It would be great to have any of those jobs.
But you need backing.
I hope another government gangster doesn't slip through the cracks and like another Rhino or Uniparty clown shows up and says, well, yeah, you know, I was rooting for you, but I wasn't really public about it.
So I'm going to go hard to make sure more than anything people don't get it because we actually know the guys and gals that are ready to go.
And if you're not hearing their names in the mainstream media, then you kind of have your answer.
tim pool
There's an index of the gangster, you said?
kash patel
Yeah, it's in the back of the book.
tim pool
Like what page?
What am I looking for?
Because there's a lot.
kash patel
It's just a list of names in alphabetical order.
tim pool
A list of names?
kash patel
Yeah, it's probably after that section.
unidentified
Those are the... There's end notes.
kash patel
Maybe it's just before that.
I should probably know that off the top of my head.
I call the freaking book government.
tim pool
Yeah, because I know it's like sources and citations.
kash patel
Yeah, so you got to go to page 215.
Ah, okay.
unidentified
It's story time with Cash.
hannah claire brimelow
I love it.
kash patel
Look.
I mean, I figured if you're gonna call him out, you gotta freaking call him out.
That's the whole point.
hannah claire brimelow
And it's nice to get people like, oh, I've heard that name.
tim pool
Bill Barr.
kash patel
There's one for you.
tim pool
John Bolton.
kash patel
But this is the thing, people are like, oh, this Trump guy's writing this book, and I probably name more Republicans than I do Democrats.
And the point is, it's not a political mission set.
They all get together to destroy what I thought was a duly elected presidency, and in my opinion, a national security mission.
And here we are sitting in the remnants of that, right?
Two tiers of justice, two more global wars, no security at the border, and China kicking our butts across the world.
You know, Trump was like, okay, everybody can write about those problems and highlight these people, how do we fix it?
That's the core concept of government gangsters, like, every single agency department can be fixed.
But this is what you gotta do, it's gonna take a lift.
tim pool
Alright, the Dungeon Delver says, Tim, please shout out my D&D group, Dungeon Delvers Group on Twitch, where a Minotaur Mamasita means a female one.
I appreciate all that you guys do.
kash patel
I didn't know that.
tim pool
We like Dungeons & Dragons, it's a lot of fun.
kash patel
D&D.
Bud Light, coming your way.
tim pool
Federale Actual says, dude, why are you letting LukeWeAreChange claim Ian like Princess Peach and his superchats are going to some weird scammy website just because Florida has a beach?
Drop him some dough for his weak infrastructure and brand it.
I have no idea what you are going on about.
hannah claire brimelow
I like the idea that Ian doesn't have free will.
unidentified
It's just like in the video game Tim has created of our lives.
serge du preez
Yeah, we're all battling over Ian right now.
tim pool
One big simulation.
brett dasovic
Ian just moves from place to place wherever he's sent.
tim pool
Where are we at?
Thinker4Life says, Cash, there's a huge opportunity for a conservative business incubation center in Michigan.
It's a unique setup in a battleground town.
It will go to liberals if we don't.
I'm Thinker4Life on Truth Social as well.
kash patel
Great.
Splash on Truth Social and let me know what your business idea is.
I'll come see you.
serge du preez
Nice.
brett dasovic
Then retruth it.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you miss Twitter at all?
Are you happy on Truth?
kash patel
I've never been on Twitter or Insta or whatever the other ones are called.
hannah claire brimelow
So you got social media only because of Trump?
kash patel
He's that much of an influencer?
No, you wanna know how hilarious it is?
I hate social media.
I was never on it.
And then my former boss leaves president and creates Truth Social.
I still didn't get on.
Then my former, former boss, Devin Nunes, becomes the CEO of Truth Social.
And so these two guys call me and they're like, oh yeah, this is going to be great.
I'm like, yeah, good luck.
I wish you all the success.
Have fun with social media.
And they were like, no, you're on the board of directors.
So I laughed out loud.
I was like, don't you want to hire somebody who's actually signed on to Twitter before?
I don't even know how to post.
hannah claire brimelow
They're like, no, you're a fresh perspective.
kash patel
And now, you know, like 1.1 million followers later, here I am.
brett dasovic
It's a hell of an elevator pitch.
kash patel
It's fun.
It's addicting.
And, you know, you can make an impact.
tim pool
All right.
Peter Gohawk says, in my opinion, these lawyers lives were threatened and or families were threatened by the Biden three letter agencies.
Why else flip that quick?
FJB.
Perhaps, perhaps that may be the case, and I get it, I do, and that is an issue, but I suppose, as I mentioned before, it is unfair to compare any of these individuals to the founding fathers who sacrificed their families, their children, their loved ones, their sacred treasure to declare independence, to stand up against tyranny.
It's kind of a crazy story.
The founding fathers thought we would lose the war for independence and signed a document knowing they had just condemned themselves.
That's crazy.
kash patel
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
But they thought it was worth it.
They had values that told them you have to do this step and take this risk anyways.
tim pool
I'm imagining these guys are looking at each other like, well, we're going to lose everything we own, we're going to die, we can't win this, but it has to be done.
kash patel
It's pretty ballsy.
tim pool
It's amazing.
It's the seeds that are planted that lead to a nation as great as it has become.
No question.
hannah claire brimelow
I assume these people are facing a tremendous amount of pressure, it's a huge financial burden to fight any government in this type of ongoing lawsuit when they can just Continue to ask the taxpayers to fund it.
On the other hand, you have to say their families knew what they were advocating.
You know, sometimes you have to be the first one into the foray.
And it's sad, but you only have the opportunity to stand up for what you believe so many times in life.
And this is the path they chose.
Again, I can't imagine the pressure, but it doesn't change the fact that they said something and now revoked it.
tim pool
Let's see.
Neboop says Jenna's guilty plea is deferred, not filed as a judgment.
Rob Gouveia broke it all down today.
The judge accepted it, deferred it, and the case continues.
What does that mean?
kash patel
That just means she's on probation, and basically, if you screw up, everything comes back.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Do you know what SOL means?
kash patel
Well, I don't think I could say that here.
tim pool
No, no, no.
kash patel
Statute of limitations.
tim pool
Oh, is that what it is?
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
When I was, uh, 20 years ago, I was in court, the judge, I was arrested for skateboarding.
The judge, uh, calls up my name, he's like, next on the docket or whatever.
kash patel
Felon.
tim pool
And, uh, he said, the judge looks at me and he's like, they call my name, I stand up and he's like, What is this?
And, uh, the prosecutor's like, uh, skateboarding, your honor.
And he's like, excuse me?
And they were like, he was skateboarding on, on, on state property downtown.
And he goes, is this a joke?
And he was like, no.
And he goes, he, he gets like, SOL, get in my courtroom.
He's like, you're not going to do it again.
Get out.
And I was like, I don't, what does SOL mean?
kash patel
Like, well, the other one meant out of luck, but the, but the statute of limitations, he probably just needed a legal excuse to be like, Oh yeah, you should've brought this.
It normally means you have it's you have for every crime committed, there's supposed to be a number of years you can bring that crime.
Right.
tim pool
If they know about it and don't act, eventually it's gone.
kash patel
And very few ones, like murder and terrorism, don't have a statute of limitations.
tim pool
But also, people think it means from the point of the crime, but it means from the point of discovery, right?
kash patel
Or when they should have known about it, right?
If the feds are sitting on the document, they're like, we just won't look at this for 10 years.
It doesn't count.
tim pool
Interesting.
But yeah, that was basically it.
It was explained to me that the idea was they could bring the charges back at some point, but they were saying to get out.
They don't want to deal with it.
It was stupid.
Yeah, there's a place in downtown Chicago.
Sidewalk I was skating on and they don't it was 3 in the morning 2 with my friends and they wanted to make an example Because they have a no skateboarding sign or whatever, but it's not illegal to skate And so the judge was just like why are you wasting the court's time?
brett dasovic
Yeah, it's ridiculous There was some death that stuff happened to us like when we were going downtown like post 9-11 any government building they were very quick to make an example of you if you were skating on any type of Government property at that time because they were very very yeah, try doing that post 9-11 and being brown Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, people do it all the time today.
There's tons of videos on YouTube of people skating in these same places with no issue.
It's just, you know, it is what it is.
All right, where are we at?
Wayne Smith says, went and saw Police State last night.
First off, Cash, amazing job in it.
P.S.
really puts in the perspective how bad it's getting.
Interesting.
kash patel
That's not good.
Yeah.
tim pool
TakingBackToxic says, read the 12th Amendment.
Trump and DeSantis cannot run on the same ticket.
I've heard that before, but I've heard it disputed as well.
So I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, but that wasn't ultimately the reason that they did not team up.
kash patel
They're never going on the same.
It ain't happening.
I'm just... it's not happening.
tim pool
Bo284327 says, Did you see Preston Parra's tweet
where he said he won the debate with you?
He sounds like a grifter to me. Your thoughts?
Uh, I don't consider it a debate when one
person says, I hereby declare thing.
The other person says, what is your evidence for thing?
And the other person says, I hereby declare thing.
Yeah, I hear, but I'm like, I wasn't, I wasn't debating with him that he was wrong.
I was asking him what his proof was.
And when he didn't have any, I said, this is just you deciding you want this to be true.
I don't care what your politics are.
So this is the he was arguing that he thought Netanyahu knew Israel would be attacked because Egypt issued a warning Then there was a seven-hour stand-down order and I said, okay, what was the warning that that Egypt issued?
We don't know.
Okay, so it could have been anything could have been Hezbollah's coming.
It could have been from Jordan It could have been from south from Syria who knows so we don't know what that warning is So there's very little to speculate on then he said there's a seven-hour stand-down order and I said, what's what's your source for that?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Where is it a guy who works for an NGO in Israel who works with the government said this?
And I'm like, okay, single dubious source that doesn't actually have privy to information.
And then it benefited Netanyahu.
And I'm like, yeah, that's possible, but all highly speculative.
I don't see the point of bringing it up.
So there's not really a debate.
kash patel
It's not, look, this is a much bigger conversation.
I wrote two op-eds on Intel.
We didn't miss it.
We weren't looking.
Right.
That's how this all happens.
And the same with the Israelis.
When you go through woke policies as your national security priorities, and you're saying, no, we need to look at climate change and the setting sun more than we need to look at, you know, terror.
That's literally what this administration has done.
And then for them, and they're going to come and say this later, they're gonna be like, well, there was this Intel analyst who knew that was going to be a tech.
Saying you have intelligence that Hamas and Iran are going to attack Israel is like saying America possesses intelligence that the cartels are going to bring in drugs to the southern part of the world.
Like, if you don't empower the people with the jobs to take them on, it doesn't freaking matter what you do.
tim pool
You know, my thing is like, there was a report that Egypt warned Israel, and I'm like, the only quote we had was, something big.
And so imagine you get a warning at your house or your business that something big is coming.
What do you do?
What do you do with that information?
You hire security guards?
Okay.
And then some guy parachutes onto the top of your building and you're like, I never would have thought of that.
hannah claire brimelow
Or he digs up from under the floor.
I mean, something big could come from any direction.
It's just impossible to say.
tim pool
We don't know the nature of the warning.
I'm like, it's possible.
But I think it's silly to be like, I want a debate.
It's like, you know what?
I talked about it earlier today.
What I'm calling Israel-Palestine derangement syndrome.
I mentioned this a little bit before the show that no one cares about Myanmar slash Burma.
Since 1948, hundreds of thousands have been killed in this ongoing conflict.
And even recently, there's tons of news.
And it's like, nobody cares.
12,000 people have died.
Most people don't even know it's a country.
Yeah, I made the joke.
I tweeted, I'm going to get mad about Myanmar.
And someone said, you mean Burma?
And I'm like, dang, he's ugly.
kash patel
You watch Seinfeld.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll make this the news.
So it's like, I understand there's a religious component, but a lot of these people on the left are advocating for Palestine for literally no reason.
None whatsoever.
The people who are advocating for Israel typically have families in Israel, and however, many of these people have said very horrifying things.
A former guest on this show basically called for nuking Palestinians.
Like just killing everybody.
kash patel
Yeah, that's not a good idea.
tim pool
No, that's insane.
So it is very, very heated.
I can understand why someone like Ben Shapiro is very upset.
He has family there.
He was just there.
I respect that.
I don't understand why your random college leftist is chanting in support of Hamas.
And I'm like, you don't know anything about the region.
There's no reason.
I don't get it.
kash patel
No, they're doing it because it's a cool thing to do.
It's popular.
It's in Rolling Stone.
You have to, you know, go out there.
brett dasovic
Like wearing a Mao shirt.
Yeah.
kash patel
Oh, yeah.
That's a great idea.
Che Guevara.
Give me that.
tim pool
Jason Hutchinson says, this is good.
The Republican Party needs to end.
It has been either ineffective at preventing what's happening today or complacent with it.
I mean, we're complicit.
Yes.
And people are like, should we be happy about having a speaker?
And I'm like, this is a good thing.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, it's definitely keeping us from sending money abroad right now.
tim pool
Yeah, what's the argument?
If we had a speaker we'd be funding more wars?
kash patel
So having gone through a government shutdown and being denied getting paid and being in one of the few jobs that actually never got their money back?
I'm like the one of the like 0.000001% of people ever impacted by a government shutdown.
Who watching this show or anyone that you know is actually impacted by a federal government shutdown other than the mainstream media to lay political blame?
tim pool
VI benefits is the main concern.
kash patel
I got it.
The troops and all that stuff, I got it.
There's money in the coffers to fund that stuff.
It doesn't run out because the government turns off.
That is a bogus DC government fiction that they scare us into with, oh my god, the world's going to end.
Remember in the Obama administration, the government shut down for months.
Months!
And I was a federal public defender and they named my small crew of people non-essential, so I never got paid back.
But every other government employee got retroactive pay for the entire time once the government turned on.
So I don't want to hear it.
tim pool
So when is the current CR supposed to expire?
kash patel
Two... No.
Oh shoot, I should know that.
Three or four weeks.
tim pool
Three or four weeks.
If they don't get a speaker in three or four weeks, there's just government shutdown.
kash patel
Yeah.
All right.
hannah claire brimelow
Tim's like, do it.
tim pool
Every libertarian is going like, yeah!
I'm not so adamant about it.
I think that makes interesting points.
We don't want people to go without paying.
kash patel
I get that.
A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck.
I got it.
And I don't want them to do it.
tim pool
What's the alternative?
We just keep providing funding to these lobbyists and massive corporations?
kash patel
Oh, they are having a dance party in D.C.
The defense industrial complex and the lobbyists are turning it on.
This is a $500 billion machine you just gave, like, fentanyl to with, you know, like, ecstasy in it or something.
I don't even know what those two do.
But these guys are going out there buying Democrats and Republicans.
$100 billion check to you, you get $10 million, you get $1 million.
Get us an FBOD DOD contract.
The world is ending.
We have to make new munitions and weapons and missiles and they're like, this is our COVID.
No, essentially, Big Pharma, right?
Moderna and Pfizer.
Now there's the Big Five in the DoD industrial complex space.
brett dasovic
Raytheon's like, let's go!
kash patel
They're like, let's go!
And you know the guys that are running these companies?
The government gangsters that used to be the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of this, Secretary of the Army.
tim pool
Some people are getting paid.
We got a super chat the other day, a couple people mentioned this, that there's like some ammunition company, a company that makes ammo that switched entirely to government contracts instead of civilian.
kash patel
That's a no-brainer.
tim pool
I'm not super right, but I'm not super familiar.
Maybe someone in the chat knows, but this is indicative of war.
kash patel
Well, no, what it is indicative of is getting paid.
So when you get on a government, what we call GOFO, a government funded prime contract, a PRIME, you are set for life, especially if it's in the defense industrial complex space.
Those are very hard to get, and they don't pay you for like a year.
They pay you for like 15 budget cycles.
And they usually pay an inordinate amount.
So government contracts are supposed to go to, like, the lowest bidder who can do it best, but what we end up doing is delay, delay, delay, then paying the highest guy because we want to screw over the other guys because we were too slow in getting it right in the first place.
tim pool
All right.
Solrack says, family dog just passed away today.
He was very loving, very fluffy, and very short.
Rest in peace, Shorty.
I will love and miss you.
It was an amazing 16 years.
16 years is a long time.
hannah claire brimelow
That's good.
tim pool
Sorry to hear it, but rest in peace.
Shorty.
Kane Ables says, you think the government cannot write checks due to not having a speaker?
They will do it behind closed doors in private.
kash patel
But Biden can stroke checks.
serge du preez
True.
tim pool
Yeah.
Edward M. says, uh, WTF, the UFC signed a deal with Anheuser-Busch.
kash patel
Don't get started!
tim pool
Cringe!
hannah claire brimelow
So many weird things have happened this year, you know?
It's definitely not what I would have seen coming.
kash patel
Still got two and a half months left.
tim pool
Philly James says, as a regular UFC watcher, I couldn't tell you the sponsor from this last Saturday fight don't care about still watching the fights.
Yeah, see?
Matt Allen says, I canceled my UFC Fight Pass subscription today.
brett dasovic
I bet you'll get some from each of those camps, right?
So the people who are, I mean, even that person is who is clearly politically aware because they're watching this show and still values the entertainment over that.
hannah claire brimelow
There's no alternative, right?
Like you could say, I'm going to buy another beer, but you're not going to watch a different fight.
I mean, especially now that they own WWE.
kash patel
Where are you going to go?
Watch Power Slap?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah!
brett dasovic
Hey, go do that!
tim pool
Seth Weathers says, those MFers beat us by a hundred million million to be the official UFC beer sponsor.
Brutal!
Imagine if UFC decided just to go with Ultra Right.
And they were just like, I mean, cause you could theoretically do it.
A hundred million dollars, they say, right?
You could theoretically, Seth could do the same deal and it's based off of contingency.
It's like, we'll do a hundred million dollar deal, which basically means once we sell up to that number, it all goes to you.
And then afterwards it goes back to us.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
Yeah.
unidentified
Totally worth it.
hannah claire brimelow
Interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
kash patel
You can find some venture capitalist rich guy who's totally on board the anti-Bush, light, whatever Budweiser train and be like, I'll give you the check.
tim pool
We'll make our own fighting league for MMA.
hannah claire brimelow
You just want Jeremy to get in this space.
tim pool
Jeremy.
kash patel
Tim Kesslager.
tim pool
We need the Jeremy signal.
It's like a light in the sky and it signifies Jeremy that a company's gone woke and there's an opportunity for a business venture.
I think he's only done two, right?
I mean, technically.
brett dasovic
Well, no, he's doing the Snow White movie too.
Right, right.
tim pool
You know, but it's funny because like the M.O.
is basically There is a clear path to success that's been proven, and they've abandoned it.
So all Jeremy is doing is being like... I'm getting back on the path.
Like, Snow White is a huge success.
They've made a crappy version.
I'll make it, and then I'll get rich.
kash patel
Right, they don't care about selling it.
tim pool
It's a proven money-making venture, and they've abandoned it.
I'll take it.
brett dasovic
You're gonna have to open the Daily Wire store right next to Target.
kash patel
Yeah, it's like Congress for Hollywood.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, like where's, where's Jeremy's grocery?
brett dasovic
Yeah.
tim pool
Could you imagine like a hundred years from now?
It's like literally everything is just like Public Square is one company.
It's Jeremy's everything.
hannah claire brimelow
No, it's terrifying.
I don't like that either.
That's too much for me.
brett dasovic
Isn't the Aldi's guy pretty based though?
Cause he's like a hypercapitalist.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
And Aldi's is one of the top organic grocers, or used to be one of the top organic grocers in the U.S.
brett dasovic
I remember he did the thing with Rogan where he's like, oh, these people, they don't understand how money works!
hannah claire brimelow
Okay, Boomer Dad, thank you.
I'm just kidding.
tim pool
What do we got?
Beef Nasty says UFC is going to take Bud Light money and run.
UFC fighters will rag on Bud Light and they won't care.
If a fighter brings PPV's money in, Daddy Dana don't care if they smack talk Bud Light.
That's not saying how many people are gonna be like, so what?
Free money.
They're gonna get made fun of.
Bud Light's gonna, it's going to hurt Bud Light more, because now everyone's gonna make fun of them.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
They can't.
hannah claire brimelow
And they obviously cannot abandon their hyper masculine brand.
That's what they have learned through all of this.
serge du preez
Yeah, unfortunately.
hannah claire brimelow
That's a win for men.
Good job, guys.
kash patel
I'm betting it tanks.
tim pool
Yeah.
serge du preez
More likely.
tim pool
KCB says Trump's lawyers trading their principles because they've never had to weigh them against the machine.
If they went to prison and pro bono legal services for everyone in the prison, they'd be out in six months.
Their strength and weakness.
You know?
It's that line from Mighty Mighty Bossstones.
I'm not a coward, I've just never been tested.
I'd like to think that if I was, I would pass.
These people were tested and they all failed.
brett dasovic
I can't believe there was a Mighty Mighty Bossstones reference at all.
serge du preez
Yeah, not really.
tim pool
Well, I mean, come on, like, you know, Dickie is in the band with, he's with Pete Parata and The Defiant now, so like, Mighty Mighty Bossstones is back in the playlist, baby!
brett dasovic
Let's go!
tim pool
Yeah, listen to Dead Language by The Defiant.
That song's great.
It's about just, like, society's become so brutal and no one's paying attention anymore.
They're all on their phones.
Yeah, good song.
brett dasovic
Five Times August was on our show last week after the release of this new single, which is basically calling out all the musicians who shilled for Big Pharma.
tim pool
And that was Friday too, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And that was actually the day we had the music all set up.
We could have totally had them come up and jam.
hannah claire brimelow
Complete, uh, inter-office communication show.
brett dasovic
Yeah, we have to work on that.
hannah claire brimelow
Come on, Brett.
tim pool
Alright, alright.
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Cash, do you want to shout anything out?
kash patel
Yeah, selfishly.
Buy it.
Help me pay for college.
No, I'm kidding.
Honestly, it was a chore writing the book, but I think I did government gangsters because people kept saying, what do we do?
You want the answers?
They're in here.
The government receipts are in here.
tim pool
The gangsters are in here.
How many books do you need to sell to pledge to become the AG?
kash patel
100,000.
Let's go.
Is that it?
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
kash patel
It's a tough book market.
I'm already a bestseller on Wall Street Journal and Amazon.
New York Times were like, oh, you sold enough books to be a bestseller, but we're not putting your book on.
tim pool
So the point is, you can't make yourself AG, but you know, so it's not really something you can guarantee.
But if you sell 100,000 of these books, you will pledge to do everything with your power to become the AG.
kash patel
Ooh.
Maybe 200,000.
unidentified
I think you want a different position.
hannah claire brimelow
That's my new theory.
kash patel
You might be onto something.
We can talk later.
But yes, thank you.
Buy it.
Governmentgangsters.com.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, buy the books.
Also, hardcopy books are great, and we're going into Christmas and stuff, so gift it to everyone you know.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
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kash patel
Maybe we should.
Gotta get on.
Join the party.
hannah claire brimelow
And if you want to follow me personally, I'm on Instagram at hannahclaire.b, and I'm on Twitter or X at hcbrimlow.
Thank you guys so much.
And also, Brett's here.
brett dasovic
Oh yes, yes.
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serge du preez
And I am Serge.com, newly minted on Truth Social.
Yes!
kash patel
Verified!
serge du preez
Yeah, apparently Catch This will verify me, so follow me on Truth Social.
I'm on Twix and all the other sites as well.
Yeah, see you there.
tim pool
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