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tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Welcome to our special weekend show, Sunday Uncensored.
		Every week we produce four uncensored episodes of the Tim Cast IRL podcast exclusively at TimCast.com, and we're going to bring you the most important for our weekend show.
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		Now, enjoy the show.
		Let's go uncensored and talk about what's going on with this conflict.
		There's a lot to talk about.
		I wanted to briefly mention Julian Assange because I think that dude is amazing.
		I think he did fantastic work.
		He's a journalist.
		He was receiving documents and information.
		He was working diligently with the WikiLeaks team to redact sensitive information to protect life while still get the truth out.
		And they have effectively assassinated this guy.
		They're doing a soft assassination.
		It's how I describe it.
		They know that if they kill him, they martyr him.
		You've got that, whether true or apocryphal line, can't we just drone this guy?
		I think that if this was 50, 60 years ago, they'd have killed him on the spot.
		But they learned their lesson with creating martyrs.
		So they use rape allegations, they lock him up, and they just try and completely suppress and destroy his work.
		I just wanted to say that, you know what I mean?
		Well, I have the opportunity.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Well, you met with him at the embassy, right?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		The Ecuadorian embassy in London.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it was an apolitical, very boring conversation, not related to really anything.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know what the point was, but you know, shout out to Julian Assange.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm out there in DC demonstrating for him all the time.
		We do all the coverage we can to support his freedom, but I never got to meet him, but we were in touch through encrypted communications just talking about what was going on with his In one of our last communications, I'm going to struggle to remember this right, but it's very intriguing.
		He told me, can you call this number or these guys who are offering photos of me inside the embassy and exclusive video of me inside the embassy for money and try to figure out who they are?
		They're in Spain.
		Okay, so I called them, and in Spanish I said, I'm a producer for Fox News, and I have a million dollars, and I want these photos and videos.
		Because the question is, how did somebody from outside the Ecuadorian embassy have footage of Julian Assange?
		It must mean a foreign intelligence agency had infiltrated the Ecuadorian embassy, which is what Julian Assange was always saying was happening.
		So I actually set up a meeting with them, And one of Assange's lawyers and a few other,
		some of his lawyers went and met them and found out that a Spanish security firm called UC Global
		had infiltrated the embassy.
		Whoa.
		They were, their director...
		Their director, whose name will come to me in a second, it's been a minute, but I reported all this,
		was eventually arrested by the Spanish police in a sting operation.
		They'd been surveilling him.
		He'd been traveling to Las Vegas to the hotel of Sheldon Adelson, who was being used as a CIA cutout to fund this operation.
		And he had stuck his forces, his men, as a security company inside the Ecuadorian embassy.
		They got a contract with Ecuador secretly on behalf of the CIA to surveil Julian Assange.
		And they were monitoring his every move, monitoring every conversation.
		They actually hacked into Pamela Anderson's email because she wrote down on a piece of paper her password for him so that he could check it or something.
unidentified		What?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		And they saw it with the camera and went into Pamela Anderson's email.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I don't know what year you went there, It was, I think it was February of 2017 or something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Remember when Trump said last night in Sweden?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I went to Sweden and then actually I think it was my, it was early March.
		Yeah, it was March.
		It was around my birthday.
		So I think it was March of like 2017, maybe.
		Maybe, maybe it was not.
		Maybe it was 2018.
		Fuck, when was that?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		So, well, this whole thing started when Mike Pompeo declared war on WikiLeaks in his first speech as CIA director.
		And Sheldon Adelson supporting Mike Pompeo.
		Mike Pompeo said Wikileaks is a hostile intelligence agency, non-state intelligence agency, and we will destroy Wikileaks.
		That was his goal as CIA director.
		And that's what this operation was all about.
		So it all comes to a head in, I think, late 2018.
		Ecuador's Basically, Ecuador's version of the CIA director comes to meet with Julian Assange and they're talking about basically a prison break where they're going to get him out of there and get him to a third country that will host him the way Russia hosted Edward Snowden.
		Everything was in place.
		They didn't know they were being surveilled by the CIA.
		So the next day, the very next day in a court in Northern Virginia, The secret indictment of Julian Assange is issued and they surround the place with police and they set the stage for his arrest.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's fucked up man.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		It is and he's been tortured ever since yeah I mean this is a guy who has two young kids who has a wife and the only way he can meet his kids is if their first totally frisked their mouths are opened and Like if he tries to touch them before they're totally bodily searched his young kids police will tackle him Don Don jr.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Came on the show I think he said it twice.
		The first was a call-in.
		I think he said it here again, that he thinks it's time that Edward Snowden and Julian Assange get a pardon and just are brought back.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't mean Trump Sr.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		does it.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Trump Sr.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		told Candace Owens he would pardon him, didn't he?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Didn't he really?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I believe so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, dude, if that was the only thing I'd vote on, if that's true, I'd just, nothing else.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, a lot else matters, but that's huge.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		He had the chance to do it at the end, I mean.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I think Trump was doing?
		Julian Assange knows stuff about the deep state.
		Trump wanted it.
		Trump wanted to use it.
		Julian wouldn't give it up because Julian is preserving his legacy and his organization, WikiLeaks.
		So he's not going to compromise the entire operation because of Trump wanting to expose something or whatever information Trump thought he was going to get out of it.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Well, two guests that were being surveilled were Chuck Johnson and Dana Rohrabacher, who went supposedly on behalf of the Trump campaign to offer Julian Assange a pardon if he would agree to say, you know, Russiagate was a fraud, the WikiLeaks emails were not given to him by Russia.
unidentified		Well, my understanding- Podesta leaks and so on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think this one's gonna come out of a matter of perspective.
		My understanding was they were asking him to expose that it wasn't not to say, you know what I mean?
		Like, I'm sure there's a view that, hey, just like the people who hate Trump are gonna say, he said, just claim it so we can use it.
		My understanding is they went to him and said, we know you have the evidence, we want it.
		And when he said, no, Trump said, then I'm gonna take it from you by force.
		And so, That's why he tried to pull him out, which is bullshit.
		He should have been pardoned and released.
		And I think that would have gone way better for Trump if he had acted in good faith.
		But let's talk about Palestine as the 51st state.
		And antisemitism and all that stuff.
unidentified		We're going to talk about Palestine as the 51st state.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		It's just ridiculous.
unidentified		It is.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But there's one thing that I want to bring up.
		Back when ISIS was a thing, when the Islamic State was a thing, there was this magazine that they put out called Dabiq, okay?
		And it was a legit magazine.
		It had great copy editors, really put together well.
		It was kind of unnerving to people that the Islamic State was able to produce this type of propaganda.
		In Dabiq, one of the issues they had an article called why we hate you and why we fight you right and it outlines the whole reason why the islamic fundamentalists hate everybody that are not islamic fundamentalists and i cannot
		I cannot recommend more strongly that you read it.
		Now, this does not reflect every Muslim, obviously, but what it does do is give people an inside look from the horse's mouth the way that the actual terrorists Look at people that are not Muslims.
		They there's not mincing words.
		It is straight up.
		We hate you because you're unbelievers and we are going to kill you if we get the chance and the only thing that you can do is convert to Islam and that is still a motivating factor in portions of The, the, or at least in, in, when it comes to Islamic terrorism, there are people that say, oh, well, there are, there are fundamentalist Jews that hate other people and fundamentalist Christians that hate other people.
		And that's all true, but there's only one religion that's been chopping heads off in the past 10 years, 15 years.
		And I actually tagged you on it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I saw that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I opened it and then I was just listening to Veronica.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		It's a minority, extreme sect of the religion that emerges from Saudi Arabia, Wahhabism, which Qasem Soleimani fought tooth and nail in Iraq, in Syria, because they're such a threat to many of the Muslims who live there and the Christians.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because they don't like apostates.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's anybody, apostates, anyone that's not a... Because if I understand correctly, They believe that everyone is born Muslim.
unidentified		And then if you turn, if you revert to being Muslim, Muslim is like this day.
unidentified		Yeah, exactly.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		You don't convert, you revert.
unidentified		Okay.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		So, so that means anyone that if you're born and you are not a Muslim, like you're born a Christian, they, to them, you are an apostate because you have left the religion.
		And that means that, and what the only thing that they think that should happen to apostates is kill them.
		So everyone on earth that is born a Muslim, and then they turn away if they follow any other religion, so that means they all get the sword.
		And that's a real thing.
		That's a real perspective.
		Now, it's not the majority, but it is real, and it is why people will strap a bomb on themselves and go and kill people that are not Well, the suicide bombing tactic was pioneered by a non-Muslim group called the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Most suicide bombings throughout history have been carried out by them.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		And there have been, you know, forms of suicide attacks carried out by the Islamic Republic.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Sure, yeah.
		I'm not saying that Islam is the only one that does.
		But it takes an ideological commitment.
		And people don't throw their lives away just for over-economic reasons.
		Because the argument that Obama was making was, oh, these people are in such dire economic straits, that's why.
		They're poor people, they have no other option, so that's why they're turning to terrorism.
		And that's just not true.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the most comprehensive study of suicide bombing was conducted by Robert Pape.
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max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		political scientists, it's called Dying to Win.
		And he found that the common thread between all suicide bombers is they tend to be occupied, militarily occupied.
		And when you're militarily occupied and you also are economically impoverished, it can lead you into some extreme ideologies as well.
		But ISIS isn't really coming from that point of view.
		I mean, ISIS also, we have to remember, was supported By the West.
		John Kerry was recorded.
		Secretary of State John Kerry was recorded.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		But their motivation was still the Levant.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Their motivation was to recreate, to rebuild the caliphate.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		But you have other Islamist groups, for example, that are willing to live with non-Muslims in their midst.
		It might not be like the greatest situation for these minorities, but they're not trying to eradicate them.
		Actually, one of the inspirations for the name The Gray Zone was a paper that was called The Extinction of the Gray Zone that was issued in Dabiq and it called for Muslims in the West to destroy the gray zone, which is the area of coexistence between Muslim immigrants to the West and Christians and Jews and, you know, prevent the assimilation of Muslims to the West.
		And by doing that, the way they would do it was to carry out terror attacks in Western cities to polarize the population and then to cause like the native Anglo Christians to force them out.
		So that they would take sanctuary, make Hizra into the caliphate.
		And so by extinguishing the gray zone, it would empower ISIS.
		And so we said, we're the gray zone.
		We're the resistance to that.
		We're where people actually can coexist.
		But also the gray zone has a lot of other meanings.
		Like it means like a war kind of warfare that is less than conventional warfare, which is the kind of war that we all live in now because We are currently, right now, engaged in information warfare.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Economic warfare.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I just wanted to make sure to point that out to give you, because you were talking about trying to learn about what the problem is and stuff.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And there is a significant, it's not large, but it's influence and it's obviously the repercussions of it existing are significant because, you know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I would think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People are asking that we get Ben Shapiro to debate you.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I debated him once without knowing I was going to on an old Al Jazeera show called The Stream.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I remember The Stream.
		Yeah.
		Who was hosting that?
		Ahmed Eldin?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I don't even remember.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was he doing The Stream?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if that was him actually.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember them.
		I should, but I'm like getting early onset Alzheimer's and I'm two malorts down.
		It was a long time ago.
		All I remember is that they had to keep cutting Ben's mic because he was just, he wouldn't shut up.
		He was just screaming the whole time and he wouldn't let me talk.
		He was so agitated by everything I was saying it was like he was going to spontaneously combust.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I can understand why someone like Van would be agitated by this.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		It's like a Kirk Hammett solo.
		When there's a Kirk Hammett solo in Metallica, they just open a sound deprivation chamber and he's been playing continuously in there.
		But he was trying to do that throughout the whole debate.
		So if someone would lock him in a soundproof chamber for the parts where I talk and then let him out, I would do it.
		But he just won't do it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So what year was that?
		Because he's calmed down a lot.
		He's such a spaz.
		Last time I hung out with him, he was super chill.
		He was in a calm... So if we had a good moderator, yeah, we'd probably get a really good convo.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it would be like, if you step to the mic and you get your time, I would do that.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Public theater, I'd definitely be down to do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like Ben.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		All he does is insult me too.
unidentified		He's like, that Jew-hating anti-Semite Max Blumenthal.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I can bag on you too, and it's not going to work out that well for you, but I'd rather talk about ideas.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like Ben, but I do think that for obvious reasons on the issue of Israel, he's going to be agitated.
		It's a polite way of putting it.
		In contrast to how you described it, I'd just say agitated.
		You know what I mean?
		I can understand why he would be.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If we're going to take a risk or take a chance or talk to people we're not comfortable talking to, now's the time.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I don't want to put him on the spot, it's just that we had a lot of people saying that You and Ben would be a really if it were possible But you know so not talking about making Palestine a state or offering them the opportunity to petition to be I just want I just hope you realize that it's like a literal impossibility Nobody wants that and what are you even referring to Gaza?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, wherever.
		We could work with Israel.
		Let me answer the question.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, how about this?
		Wait, I got an idea.
		We get an island somewhere, and we relocate everybody there, and invest tons of money in infrastructure, and give them a place.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was the other thought.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We can send them away as refugees, but that seems like almost...
unidentified		I'm done with ethnic cleansing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I want to stay right next to Israel because they're great trade partners and I want to go to Israel.
		I want to chill there.
		I want to go to Egypt.
		I would love to have an American presence there and we could increase the value of the land.
		We could bring high-tech.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		What gives us The authority to do that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because we, the British and the French, are responsible for this shit.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We're not the British and the French!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, we've worked with the British and the French for a hundred years, propagating the Jewish occupation or colonization of that territory.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We have a duty to take care of these people.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We've created this problem!
unidentified		No, we didn't!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, the British and the French did it, and maybe the Americans weren't involved, I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And the children, you cannot promise, the children of one generation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't go and say, because of our involvement in World War II, we are now culpable for an entire other country.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's one reason why.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The other reason is I want to avoid World War III.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That I can understand.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's another reason.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But we're not the world police.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We shouldn't be the world police.
unidentified		Unfortunately, we are.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, but... We're not!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We have a duty, man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		No, we don't.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The efforts of the United States to be the world police have been a disaster.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think...
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I do agree with that.
		Being involved in war, I can understand.
		World War II and things like that.
		There's questions about whether or not we should have even been involved in World War I or II in the first place.
		But at the very least, I can understand the U.S.
		being like, we have allies.
		We're intervening.
		There's a major war going on with people being imprisoned, murdered, and systematically killed.
		It's another thing for us to be like, hey, there's some bad shit going on over there in another country.
		Let's send our troops over there.
		No, fuck that!
		Also... That's why I'm like...
		You know, Cassandra is 100% under all circumstances the U.S.
		does not intervene in foreign bullshit.
		And I asked her about, like, what about sanctions?
		No, fuck that, no sanctions, bullshit.
		And I'm like, okay.
		Me, I'm like 95%, 90-95%.
		Like, I recognize that everything is absolute, but in almost every circumstance in my life where the U.S.
		has been like, we've decided to intervene in this conflict, they've just fucked it up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the last 120 years have been insane.
		Oh, by the way, the Hundred Years' War went on for 116 years, and it was three 20-year wars.
		So it's three wars within one war.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it wasn't even 100 years.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So we're both kind of right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So like World War I, World War II, and then modern-day war is kind of like the three pockets of war, just like that Hundred Years' War.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me do this.
		As Ian and I argue the merits of a 51st state of Palestine, what do you think?
		Do you think there is a solution?
		I'm not saying if you could figure out what it was, but do you think there's one?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I, you know, went around the country again and again to every, every venue that would have me to talk about a binational solution or a one state solution where everybody had equal rights between the river and the sea, which would, I think, and it would, it would end the source of the conflict.
		Which is that the Palestinians are stateless and that they are physically separated and now I think we've never been further away from that.
		I mean this idea was accepted by a small tiny minority in like academia and we had little one-state conferences with Jews and Palestinians and Israelis and in Israel a small group of people supported it.
		In Palestine a small group of people supported it.
		Now both sides are electing to decide to negotiate through violence.
		And it's not going to work out.
		It's actually, although the balance of power is on Israel's side right now, in the long run it will not work out well for them.
		And so I just wanted to put it on the record that I tried something else along with a small group of people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the U.S.
		is in deep shit right now.
		BRICS, the BRICS currency, the competition for the petrodollar.
		I kind of feel like if the U.S.
		loses its unipolar status, which is basically on the verge of doing, we're now entering a multipolar China-U.S.
		world.
		If the U.S.
		loses its position and falters, I don't know how Israel survives.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, you talk about modern warfare.
		It's not just conventional warfare, as we said.
		It's information warfare.
		It's also economic warfare.
		The U.S.
		has imposed unilateral coercive measures, in other words, sanctions that the U.N.
		doesn't vote on, on one-third of the whole world's population, but particularly on countries where it seeks regime change.
		And one of those countries, by the way, was Venezuela.
		Where is so much of the pressure at the border coming from?
		It's coming from Venezuelan migrants.
		The State Department in 2019 published, under Pompeo, a document So what happens when you destroy the economy of a country to your south?
		They come to you, the rich country.
		So everyone in the anti-war right or anti-interventionist right who wants a hard border should also look at the perspective of, let's stop destroying these countries.
		So what are these countries going to do when they're under US sanctions?
		They're going to turn to a country like China that isn't going to tell them in order for us to have strong economic relations with you, you need to have this kind of system and you need to recognize the LGBT community and do all of the, you know, you need to have a neoliberal economic system and so on.
		All China wants is just to shake their hand and cut raw economic deals.
		Venezuela is bringing China in there.
		Syria is cut... Bashar al-Assad, who has been under devastating sanctions, has gone and met with Xi in China, Xi Jinping, and they're cutting deals through the Belt and Road Initiative.
		And all these countries are getting out from under the dollar hegemony that has crushed them.
		And in the end, once the petrodollar is gone... We're fucked.
		The American way of life is over.
unidentified		Gone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		People don't get it.
		We don't make shit.
		We just print dollars and then we use those dollars to buy shit from other people because they need our dollars to buy oil.
		Central dollar goes.
		So, super simplified version.
		Most countries have to export more than they import so they have a strong currency.
		It's a very simplified version.
		Because they need to use their currency, let's call it Ian Bucks.
		If they want to buy oil, they first got to buy dollars.
		So Ian has to trade Ian Bucks for dollars.
		Is the Ian Buck worth anything to the American people?
		Depends, what do you make?
		So Ian has to maintain more exports than imports, basically selling more goods to keep a balanced budget, so they can maintain a strong currency and buy more oil.
		Once the petrodollar is gone and Ian can buy oil directly with Ian Bucks, He goes to the U.S.
		and says, go fuck yourselves.
		I don't need shit from you.
		But the U.S.
		ain't making anything.
		We give our manufacturing up to a bunch of different countries for short-term gains from shit-ass politicians.
		So when Donald Trump was like, secure our borders, bring manufacturing back, it's kind of like, maybe we should start doing that.
		But you get Biden back in, and they want to resume the typical, I don't know, what do you call it, liberal economic order policies of, let's just blow people up, and you point guns at them so they give us their stuff.
unidentified		Yeah.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Well, even Biden's seen the writing on the wall.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		That's why the Chips Act.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		And that's why he sleeps all day.
		Because he's just too tired.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Help me poke some holes in this concept of allowing statehood to Palestine.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What would be something like in the way of that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't want it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hamas!
		Literally Hamas!
		Israel?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Does not want a Palestinian state because it would be a base for Palestinians to, in their view, organize against Israel within Israel.
		They don't want a Palestinian state because the West Bank now has something like 200, 250,000 Jewish settlers in it.
		Where would they go?
		I mean, if you look at Jerusalem right now, East Jerusalem is occupied by Israel.
		350,000 Palestinians live there.
		They have Jordanian residency, not citizenship.
		And that part of East Jerusalem is completely surrounded with giant mega settlements that are like cities in order to cut them off from the West Bank.
		So where would the state even go?
		There's a settlement called Modi'in Elite.
		It's huge.
		It's basically a city east of East Jerusalem.
		And the master plan cuts the West Bank in half.
		So the Palestinian state, if you were to establish it now, would just be a bunch of cantons or bantustans that don't connect to each other.
		And then you have the Gaza Strip and Jerusalem.
		I mean, that was Israel's plan was to cut them off into a thousand pieces, a bunch of pieces of salami and have the maximum number of Palestinians on the minimum amount of land.
		And that's why Palestinians started looking for a different solution, which is we're just going to go for rights instead of sovereignty, because we have no sovereignty.
		And rights within a Jewish state means we're equal.
		In a Jewish state, people who are not Jewish can't have equal rights.
		And so they've basically proven that Israel is not a Jewish and democratic state.
		As an Arab lawmaker, a Palestinian lawmaker in Israel, Ahmed Tibi said to me, Israel is democratic towards its Jews and Jewish towards its Arabs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's go to callers!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll bring in our callers and see what they have to ask or say.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Let us do that.
unidentified		Hello, uh, Aqueduct Studio.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		How are you today?
unidentified		Hey, what's up, guys?
		Thanks for having me on.
		Of course.
		My question is for Max here.
		Watching the episode tonight, it feels like you weigh Israel's response to terrorist attacks.
		Oh, wait.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Ask that question again.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Max was putting his headphones on.
unidentified		There you go.
		Oh, OK.
		Watching the episode earlier tonight, it feels like you weigh Israel's response to terrorist attacks as heavier than the terrorist attack itself.
		To me, the fuck around justifies the find out, but how do you balance the scale?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Well, when did the fuck around begin?
		I hate hearing myself on headphones.
		I hear my own, like, nasal voice.
		So, the easiest way would be, we'll just use what happened this, uh... That would be the easiest way for you, but that's not the easiest way if you actually look at it from the perspective of people on the ground.
		So, yeah.
unidentified		If you look at it from the Palestinian perspective, when would you say the start date begins?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Well, the easiest way for them would be 1948 when 750,000 Palestinians were forced from over 400 villages and cities, and many of them were pushed into the Gaza Strip.
		The Gaza Strip's population is over 80% refugees who have no state, no citizenship of anything.
		And if you look at the city of Ashkelon, which is being rocketed right now, that used to be called Majdal Ashkelon, and it was filled with Palestinians before 1948.
		They were ethnically cleansed.
		This is something that's been acknowledged by mainstream Israeli historians like Benny Morris.
		And they were pushed into the Gaza Strip.
		And actually, many of them were actually held in internment camps, barbed wire internment camps, until 1950, then dumped in Gaza in trucks.
		And then Jews from Iraq And Yemen, which were destabilized through the creation of Israel, which fomented a lot of antisemitism in the region, were then moved into their homes, literally moved into their homes.
		And then later, Russian Jews who came from the Soviet Union were moved into their homes.
		So they're kind of like they're firing rockets.
		at a city that their grandparents and great-grandparents used to live in.
		That's how they perceive it.
		But we can also look at so many other indignities and assaults that have happened.
		2006-2007, Operation Summer Rain, when Israel began raining missiles down on a besieged Gaza Strip, the mortuaries were overflowing.
		This was according to Israeli media.
		2008-2009, Operation Cast Lead, over 800 People killed in the Gaza Strip, over half of them women and children.
		Operation Pillar of Cloud, 350 civilians killed inside the Gaza Strip through assaults by the Israeli military.
		And you look at the Israeli casualties at this point, it was maybe 10, 20 people.
		Then Operation Protective Edge, 2014.
		In each case, Israel violating a ceasefire to carry out these attacks.
		Israel was fucking around in these cases.
unidentified		I mean, that sounds like heroism to me.
unidentified		I mean, we could praise Israel for that.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, that's just a commentary and reflection on your own character, praising Israel for attacking caged natives in a Waldorf ghetto who are basically defenseless.
		And what do you think it does to the mentality of young people to grow up in that?
		Do you think it makes them healthy and psychologically capable of having great relations with the people who are constantly drone attacking them?
		No, the culture there is one of trauma, constant trauma, and you see people playing out their trauma through violence in these armed factions to get vengeance on those they consider to be their oppressors.
		And I don't like it.
		I don't want it.
		That's why I'm in this as a Jew, because I saw this coming and I see more coming.
		So, you want to praise it?
		Keep on praising it.
		Keep on supporting it.
		Keep on uttering cheap phrases of, fuck around and find out.
		It's not going to work out well for Jews, for Palestinians, and it's going to spread and drag us into a regional war that could turn nuclear.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I had a question, Aqueduct.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What do you think about it was heroic?
unidentified		Oh, I mean, that's kind of tongue-in-cheek, because the response that we heard from the Democratic Socialists, they said, oh, the Hamas attacks were heroic.
		You know, so perspective, you could call what Palestine does when they fire rockets into Israel, you call that heroic.
		You could call IDF responding to the attacks heroic.
		It's a perspective thing.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		What's heroic about lobbing missiles from far away into a ghetto?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I mean, they're not, they're not facing people down.
unidentified		What's heroic about shooting rockets into civilian Israel?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't think either of it's heroic.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Many Palestinians.
		I don't think either of it is heroic either.
		Many Palestinians consider it heroic.
unidentified		You know, but like, if you can justify one, why can you not justify the other?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		To go into a military base with American tanks.
		And Markava tanks and American military gear, which they did.
		And we never, we're not talking about going and shooting for defense of civilians.
		What the Al-Qassam brigades and the Siara Al-Quds brigades did was initially to go into military bases and fight Israeli soldiers face to face and the Israeli soldiers lost.
		And this is all on camera.
		And I'm not speaking for the DSA.
		I'm talking about what people on the ground think is heroic.
		I don't even know what the DSA said.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In New York, there was an event promoted by the DSA where they cheered for the rockets reaching Tel Aviv.
		And at this event, one man laughed about the hipsters who got taken by the Hamas soldiers.
		He actually explicitly stated that he was happy that they went to the music festival and took several dozen of these hipsters.
		And then he laughed and said, I'm sure they're doing fine now.
		Many of them being dead, of course.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Being anti-American has become like the cool, edgy thing in college.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they were clapping and cheering for it.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, didn't you laugh when Burning Man got flooded?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No, why would I?
unidentified		That wasn't like an actual like... Some people were like, yeah, they had it coming.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like they did a sacrifice.
		Perhaps like... They did like a ritual sacrifice for Ukraine and then got flooded.
		I don't know if you've noticed, but I would... I'm saying we're talking about New York hipsterism.
		We're talking about like people... Sure, but I don't want to wish for their death.
unidentified		You know what I mean?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I mean... Okay.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Have you looked at the pro-Israel rally in our video of it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		No.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Actually, AOC, who condemned the Palestine Solidarity Rally, just tweeted our video out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I will play this, though, from Glenn Greenwald.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		This is it.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		This is the video that she just tweeted out as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This one?
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Fuck Palestine!
		Palestine to my dick!
		What do you think the response should be from Netanyahu and the military to Gaza?
		Kill all Palestinians!
		All of them!
		Not one life from the river to the sea, Palestine will be deceased!
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		And Israel need to do like this.
unidentified		You see?
		Now Gaza.
		Like this.
		Gaza need to do like this.
		Okay, the prime minister of Israel is saying this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the guy right now is showing a picture where it's Gaza and then beneath it, it's just, it's a parking lot.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Okay, wait a minute.
		Let me just provide some perspective here.
		We as Americans provide Israel with $4 billion a year in military aid for them to spend here on weapons to dump on Palestinians.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We should absolutely end all foreign aid.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		We give Israel more aid than we give to all of Africa.
		And Benjamin Netanyahu is using this rhetoric.
		He said he will reduce to rubble all of the hiding places in Gaza, a coastal enclave that's besieged, where half the population is children.
		The defense minister of Israel, Yoav Galant, said the people in Gaza, they're fighting human animals there.
		And he said that in cutting off the gas, electricity and water.
		Okay, only Israel has the power to commit actual genocide.
		They're the only ones with the weapons to be able to do it.
		And they are saying that they want to do it.
		Members of Knesset from Netanyahu's party are calling for Nakba 2.0 on Twitter.
		The Nakba is the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in 1948.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's, uh, I want to try and get to more callers.
		So, uh, was that sufficient?
		I know it's probably not because this debate goes on forever, but, uh... It does.
		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, that was awesome.
		Thank you guys so much.
		Max, thanks for coming on.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for calling.
unidentified		Cheers, mate.
		Alright, uh, up next, oh, whoops, this is getting difficult to scroll there.
		Uh, Lev-uh-tee.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Lev-uh-tee.
unidentified		Hopefully that's levity.
		How are you?
		You with us?
		Yep, you got it.
		Hey, nice.
		Could definitely use some of that nowadays.
		I try to stay as white-pilled as possible.
		Hell yeah, same here bro.
		So, my question is to the crew, and I'm speaking from the perspective of the vast majority, 90 plus percent of my family, is from Palestine or living there currently.
		Where do you think this conflict will be going?
		Say, especially with, like, the election year, will this be used as some sort of catalyst for even something like an October surprise, if you will?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, some people have said that a wartime president has never lost, therefore Democrats will benefit from this.
		I don't think so.
		I suppose the Trump could stand if Joe Biden was seen as competent and as someone leading a nation through a war.
		But he's not.
		Overwhelmingly, people think he's too old.
unidentified		No, he's really not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's like, I don't know about that.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Most people are really, if I can, like, from what I can gather, most people are not confident that the president is competent to run the country without a war going on.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Never mind a war in the Middle East, which is Unquestionably not something that could be won for at least not by not for for the United States and I think of the United States is mostly over getting involved in foreign wars the I don't think there's ever been a time in my life when America has had a general consensus of we want to avoid or have have had more people that had the consensus of we don't want to get involved in foreign wars so I don't know that that would help
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a lot of Trump people are anti-intervention and anti-war.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's really interesting.
unidentified		I'm with them there on that front.
unidentified		I sort of side with Phil on the whole subject of just stop all foreign aid.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I got this feeling that this could be another short war, like the seven-day war, but I don't think it's going to be seven days.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I know Ben said, Benjamin Netanyahu said that it was going to be a long war.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I kind of feel like this could be the most extreme escalation we've ever seen.
		Max, would you agree?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I mean, listen to what Nikki Haley said.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Finish them!
unidentified		Finish them!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A carrier group being deployed.
		US special forces being offered up.
		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's like it's hanging by a thread, which is why I'm resorting to prayer.
		It's just, I'm not a spiritual, I mean, I don't think of myself as religious or any of that, but like people can have dreams.
		People like Benjamin Netanyahu can wake up tomorrow with a realization of something.
		He can have a, same with the defense minister and all these people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if, like, tomorrow on the show, Ian's like, I prayed to Jesus, and he told me what to do, and then he gets up and leaves, and then, like, two days later, we're like, what happened to Ian?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, peace has come to the Middle East.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm on a plane with Elon, Lex Friedman, and Ben Nye.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's, like, standing, and he's, like, got a hammer, and he tears the wall down, and everyone hugs, and it's all over, and it's just like, how did he do it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he's like, Jesus told me what to do.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because someone put me in touch with Lex Friedman, who got me in touch with Benjamin Netanyahu, and we all hung out and talked about God.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, what do you think?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What do you think politically?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, how does this affect the U.S.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		internally?
unidentified		Well, that was a question for Max.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was trying to get Max to jump in.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Look at Biden's speech today.
		He's under extreme pressure because who funds his campaign?
		I mean, there's tons of pro-Israel money coming in.
		There are huge consequences.
		APAC.
		Yeah.
		I mean, Biden was a close friend of APAC.
		He said on the Senate floor that if Israel didn't exist, he'd have to create it.
		Everyone watching, just look up that clip.
		It's easy to find.
		It's more shocking than I even made it out to be.
		And it's also interesting to see Biden back when he was like coherent and like really spry.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It'd be cool if like in the US we had, you know, like hydrogen fuel cells and solar and nuclear power.
		Mostly nuclear power because the energy return on energy invested is so fantastic.
		We were manufacturing things and everyone in the world wanted to be like us because we had the coolest shit.
		Instead, at some point, some fat, lazy Intel guy was like, let's just blow them up until they give us our stuff.
		Give us their stuff.
		And that's kind of been the trajectory of American foreign policy ever since.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So from the Democratic point of view, you have an interesting dynamic.
		The Democratic Party is not Democratic.
		So, you know, you have the donor class.
		But then a Pew poll this year showed that for the first time, most Democratic voters do not support Israel over Palestine.
		Wow.
		They are sympathetic, especially the younger Democrats are more sympathetic to Palestine.
		Then you have the Republicans, a lot of Christian Zionists, a lot of people who support Israel for religious reasons.
		Older Republicans are very pro-Israel.
		But, I mean, you look at Tucker throwing down the gauntlet, who's one of the most influential kind of America first figures, and he's like, OK, Israel can respond, but this cannot go beyond that to Iran.
		And so Trump would be under pressure to oppose a regional war and his base would follow him.
		So I think the longer this goes on, the more you're going to see support from the American public falling away.
		And especially if there's a ground invasion in Gaza, it's going to be so ugly.
		It's going to be disgusting.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like the libertarian, we should not be funding foreign countries, it's bullshit, America needs to stick to its own business.
		I can't stand the tanky left, cut funding to Israel so that we can kill them all.
		That shit pisses me off.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I agree with your invasion of Gaza by the Israeli military would be disastrous for the Israelis because people would have their video cameras up on the seventh floor recording the Israelis kicking a door open, dragging a woman out by their hair, and the entire world would see the horror of that door-to-door.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Which they do every day, by the way, in the West Bank, but it would be on a much greater level.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got to try and get through these callers though.
		So, uh, Levity, was that good?
		Is there anything you wanted to add to that?
unidentified		Uh, no, just shout out to what y'all do and, uh, the great community you've got here in the discord.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For those that are listening, you should definitely be in the discord hanging out.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for calling in, buddy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Thanks, man.
unidentified		Cheers, man.
		All right.
		Uh, Larkin, what is up?
		How are you?
		Hi, go on guys.
		Pretty good, man.
		So, uh, y'all had actually a really significant question in the, uh, the chats earlier that you didn't really understand that as far as this, the, uh, the red heifer, according to a medic Judaism, uh, 10 perfect red heifers have to be found, drained of blood and then sacrificed and the site of the third temple to bring about what their version of the second coming is.
		And so the first week of October, It was announced they found the 10th Red Heifer.
		The 5th of October, 800 rabbis stormed Al-Aqsa Temple and held a ritual there.
		And then the 7th, all this 3rd stuff, grew long.
		Anyway.
		So we're to go, Jerry and George.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Real quick, I just pulled it up.
		Just real quick, sorry.
		I just googled it.
		A month ago, they said one heifer would herald the 3rd temple and end the world as we know it.
		This was reported September 8th.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, what's really significant is you have these religious nationalist Jews led by Itamar Ben-Gavir, who's the security minister.
		And they're leading these marches up to Al-Aqsa, but the ultra-Orthodox rabbinate, the traditional rabbinate of Judaism, forbids them from going in without the red heifer sacrifice, right?
		What they're doing is contrary to traditional Judaism.
unidentified		I apologize.
		The deep state, essentially, of Israel is fiercely ethnically supremacist and religiously zealous.
		They really believe this stuff.
		You may not, but they do.
		And so they try to enact these things, right?
		I know, it sounds crazy, conspiracy, I know, but again, military intelligence, you don't really question them anymore.
		So my question is, the Samson option.
		I rethink it.
		I think that the Samson auction, you look at what's going on in the West and the flood of refugees and stuff like that, right?
		Where most of these refugees are coming from, they're coming from Middle Eastern nations.
		And people ask, well, why does the West care so much about Israel?
		Well, really, that started in the 60s, I believe, with the second Catholicism. Man, why am I, I can't remember that.
		Basically a lot of funding was poured into these churches from Israel to affect public opinion because they
		need to survive in a hostile environment, right? Well, if they want to enact these
		things, what's going to happen? So if they destroy the mosque and they want to rebuild this temple,
		what's the standard reaction for anyone that this is like their holy land, right?
		Their holy site.
		They're going to get pissed off and they're going to act, right?
		So if all of these nations are now flooded with Middle Eastern individuals that don't really have anything really solid yet anchoring them there, and then a holy site is destroyed of theirs, thus giving them an identitarian spike.
		And a reaction when the U.S.
		and the West supports Israel, thus pulling them into this global war.
		That's what I think the Samson option really is.
		It's not going to be like a nuclear bomb like people used to think.
		I was wondering if you think it's accurate.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		The Samson option, which is the title of a Seymour Hersh book about it, is basically Israel blackmailing the West with a nuclear strike if the West abandons it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've been feeling that in meditations for about seven years or nine years.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or they could do a nuclear strike on a regional country.
		Yisrael Ariel is an influential religious nationalist rabbi in Israel who is the founder of this temple movement, which wants to replace Al-Aqsa with the third Jewish temple.
		And in the early 80s, he attempted a bombing of the Al-Aqsa compound to destroy it.
		And he was actually stopped by Israel's deep state, the Shabak, the Shin Bet.
		Israel's security establishment is actually still overwhelmingly secular.
		And a lot of them are actually anti-Netanyahu, are supporting the protests against Netanyahu.
		And they see this movement as destabilizing not only to Israel, but to the entire region.
		Because if you blow up the third holiest site in Islam, the whole region is going to be set on fire and it's going to turn against Israel.
		So, this movement has been really sophisticated in infiltrating Israeli institutions, and now you see one of its key figures as a security minister, and one of its other key figures, Bezalel Smotrik, is the finance minister who's in charge of doling out money to settlements.
		So they're moving in there and they're becoming the kind of new counter-establishment in Israel.
		And that's what all these protests that you see against Netanyahu are about.
		They say, oh, it's about judicial reform.
		No, it's really about who decides the future of the country, the religious nationalists or the old elite from Tel Aviv and Jerusalem who are kind of secular Zionists.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Those are the Supreme Court of Israel?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the Supreme Court is their base.
		You know, their base of power.
		It's like the only thing they have left, so they're going to defend that tooth and nail.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have only a few minutes left, so I do want to make time for these other callers, but Larkin, did you want to clarify anything or add to that?
unidentified		No, I appreciate your time and the Holy Land belongs to Rome, Roma and Victor.
unidentified		I don't really want to see people suffer and I've Seen it first hand, so I hope it all ends, but thanks for having me guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for calling in.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Bring back the Italians.
unidentified		Yeah, we were talking about the report in the pod.
		That's funny, man.
		All right.
		Funnily enough, our next caller is Roma Nation.
		How are you, Roma Nation?
		Hey guys, this is your new elite member, AK, with Roma Nation.
		What's going on, Tim?
		What up?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Nice microphone.
unidentified		Yeah, good mic.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Sounds great.
unidentified		It's the same one you guys have.
		So my question is for failed journalist Phil Donahue here.
		After Biden's failed withdrawal attempt from the Middle East, Left something like $80 billion in weaponry and vehicles.
		So my question is, since U.S.
		citizens are now confirmed killed by those same said weapons, can Biden now be complicit in charge with a war crime?
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		I mean, so realistically, it's not going to happen, but I would love to see it.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		And I think that you could make an argument As to, obviously, like I said, I don't think it's gonna happen, but... Well, I mean, come on, Phil.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If we go after Biden over this, we have to go after Obama over Anwar al-Awlaki... Stop, Tim!
		I can only get so hard!
		George W. Bush would have to... Yes!
		We'll just go down the line!
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		We can keep going.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		They all need to go.
unidentified		Bush would have to be floated.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I would love to see it, but again, you know, we live in the real world where the bad guys win.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know about a war crime.
		I think...
		Yeah, I wonder if there's some kind of congressional action for the abject failure in Afghanistan that's resulted in this.
		I guess the bigger question, though, is are the weapons actually making their way to Hamas, right?
		You've seen those rumors, Max?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		From where?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Rumors that, say, there's questions and some reporting that I would not say is confirmed that weapons left over in Afghanistan have made their way to Hamas.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I mean, Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian Prime Minister, has said weapons from Ukraine that were given to them by the U.S.
		have made their way there.
		Very possible.
		I know they have the capacity to have their own military industry at this point.
		And there are only a few tunnels going into Gaza that are still active, so they're not... The smuggling networks are weaker than ever before.
unidentified		Interesting.
		Yeah, well, just to give you some context, if someone other than, like, Hunter Biden's gun that was thrown into a school dumpster and was found by another person, and someone died as a result, there would be harsh consequences for that individual.
		So I think that would have some kind of a...
		Contrast to it.
		But if it was Biden's call to make sure that it was safe to exit Afghanistan, how does this correlate to his gun control initiative?
		And does he now lose all leverage when it comes to gun reform in the States?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He should, but he won't.
		Come on.
		The gun reform arguments are going to be emotional.
		They're not going to have real debates on it.
		You know?
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		I think you're making... I'm sorry, go ahead.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you make an interesting observation about a leader that does something that causes some sort of permanent change in the system that then leads to the downfall of their country.
		Like, that leader would be strung up and executed by its people.
		So, like, we're in a very tolerant society right now, for better or worse.
		And it might actually be tolerant for worse, I'm not sure.
		But at the very least, he should step down from office after that surrender.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anything else?
unidentified		The very last thing is I want to promote the weekly shows on the Discord.
unidentified		We got the Casper morning commute with Sammy Football at 9.30 a.m., the Midday Rush with Fluffy Hobo at 6 p.m., and the Before IRL show with C. Nosky, Olives, Claire, and the esteemed Joey Cannoli at 7, which they all now have musical intros by yours truly.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		That's awesome.
unidentified		By yours truly.
unidentified		Nice, dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have the Friday night music stuff just about set up now too, so we're probably gonna have people playing music on Friday nights again.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		Sick.
		Well, if you need an intro, let me know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for calling in, buddy.
unidentified		Cheers, brother.
		You got it.
		All right.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		Last but not least, Shadowbox Design.
unidentified		What's up?
		We had a good time chatting with you the other day.
		How are you?
		Thank you.
		I just want to say, I appreciate you guys letting me shout out.
		I'll probably do it again at the end, but I've sold quite a few shirts since then.
		So straight to my question.
		This is a question for Max and Tim.
		I'd say you guys probably have good insight, but obviously the rest of you guys can answer too.
		With stolen land being a massive issue on the table in this conflict between Israel and Palestine, do you see any parallels between this and our handling of the Native Americans?
		For example, making treaties that aren't honored and forcing them into certain plots of land, etc.
		Oh boy.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		I want to hear what you have to say first.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So my views on... Man, I think the issue with American history and the Native Americans...
		Uh, war.
		Conquest.
		We don't like it.
		I think my upbringing and my view of human rights and everything based on where we've come to is we don't do these things now.
		But I don't know how you go back in time and... I guess I'll put it this way.
		Israel-Palestine is active.
		It's ongoing right now in a world where we recognize the problems of militaristic colonization.
		I don't know if I have the moral standing to solve a problem like that that is active.
		If I look back at what happened with the Native Americans, I'd say there are two principal arguments.
		One, many on the right make the argument that, like the Aztecs, for instance, were sacrificing humans and, you know, doing other really awful, fucked up shit.
		And therefore, when the Europeans came in, they were like, yo, these people are savages, this is fucked.
		But then, of course, there were people who were absolutely not doing that, and they were more so fur traders living up the north, and still got fucked over by people who were Europeans.
		Because people are tribalist, even the Europeans are tribalist, and they said, our people fuck your people.
		The people who have the bigger guns tend to take whatever they want.
		These days, we say, having the bigger gun does not grant you the right to take from someone else.
		So where we are right now in the United States is, I think there's a limit.
		Changing Columbus Day to Indigenous People's Day is kind of like, okay, dude, chill the fuck out.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		However, I fully recognize like, yeah, we don't want that stuff anymore.
		A lot of bad shit happened at the past.
		We've learned from those mistakes.
		We recognize the bad things.
		We'll teach the bad things as to why we don't do them again.
		As for what is going on right now in Israel and Palestine, dude, I don't fucking know, man.
		Yes, obviously, like there's an issue of people who had lived there for generations well before the establishment of Israel.
		And then you have settlers who come from Europe and people who had also been there.
		But then you have these arguments I don't know enough about.
		When I talk to my friends of mine who are Jewish, they say, what was Palestine before, you know, 1920 or whatever?
		Like my family lived there before and they got kicked out.
		It's Jerusalem.
unidentified		And that's where, you know, this really just wasn't for that even.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it was Rome and I'm just like, dude, I have no idea what the answer is.
		Cause I'll tell you this.
		If Israel, let's say right now, just said, that's it, we're flattening Gaza tonight.
		All 2.5 million dead.
		And they just fucking destroyed it.
		And then you'd have the entire Arab world being like, you just massacred all these people, it's war.
		And then a thousand years later...
		You're gonna have people being like, my family, it's my land, and it's just, it's never gonna stop.
		I don't, I don't know, man.
		I don't have the answers.
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you think, Max?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Well, everyone, every American should visit Wounded Knee in South Dakota and just go up there and see the final site of a genocide that took place.
		Right in our backyard and it's on the second in the second poorest county in America with the highest rate of domestic violence, teen suicide, just desperation and despair.
		Reminds me a lot of Gaza.
		And you go to that site and they have been shafted in every way possible.
		What happened?
		Go ahead.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was going to ask, what's that city that was established for the purpose of selling booze to Native Americans?
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's right on the other side on the Nebraska border, and I forget the name.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		But I mean, yeah, the alcohol industry, you know, they're bringing in alcohol because technically it's banned from Pine Ridge, so people go to... Pine Ridge.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Pine Ridge is on the South Dakota side, and then they go to, like, I forget what it's called on the Nebraska side.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A city established specifically to sell booze to Native Americans.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		And they just get drunk for days, and it's a drug of mass destruction.
		Basically, they had been destroyed.
		The Lakota Sioux had been destroyed through massacres, like Colonel Chivington's massacre at Sand Creek, which was celebrated in an arena-level ceremony, you know, celebrated back in Denver because they thought the natives were such a threat to them.
		Cause they were waging an armed resistance against their own total dispossession.
		So it all ended in Wounded Knee.
		I think it was like 1870 something.
unidentified		1890.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		1890.
		Whoa.
		December 29th, 1890.
		some 1870 1890 1890 whoa December 29th 1890 Okay, and all they were doing there was a dance called the
unidentified		Okay.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		ghost dance They had started to follow a prophet who promised to
		deliver them from the white man with this dance and that dance was
		illegalized by the authorities and And as they were doing this dance on a hilltop, the 7th Cavalry, formerly of Custer, who had been defeated at...
		defeated by Sitting Bull, yeah, Little Bighorn, brought in the Gatling guns and massacred them.
		And now it's a memorial. And you see at that memorial many American flags on the graves
		because many natives from that very poor reservation have gone to fight in the U.S. military.
		And they serve in a disproportionate way because it's one of the few ways they can actually get
		benefits from the government.
		So the genocide was consolidated, the resistance ended, and Native Americans have either absorbed themselves into U.S.
		society or they're working for more sovereignty for their tribal land, but there is no more armed resistance.
		But it doesn't mean that they feel like so happy about what happened or that this conflict has been settled.
		They were just crushed and that's what's happening in Israel-Palestine now.
		Israel is trying to crush the Palestinians and settle it the same way we did with the Native Americans, but the genocide has not been consolidated and the Palestinians have figured out ways of resisting it and being as ruthless as, like, being ruthless in order to prevent it.
unidentified		I was just going to say, I think the biggest issue for me with both situations is when you come into a place, you either need to, you have to make your intentions clear.
		You're either there to conquer or you're there to, you know...
		settle and be part of their culture. And when we came to America, we weren't clear with that. We
		started to try to negotiate. We started to make treaties.
		Then we would violate treaties.
		We would slowly force them onto reservations. We'd trick them into giving up their guns until
		we got them to the point where they just homogenized or died. Or in this case now,
		like they live on small reservations that aren't very well, you know, well-funded or well-run.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, but understand...
		You're saying we, but one of the issues is that several different nations, several factions even, when some, you
		might have had numerous groups coming from the UK to settle in the United States, not knowing each other, not aligning
		with each other, not caring.
		So it's more so a large mass of different people of different agendas from similar locations came in and just
		started settling, and then there were more of them and they had better weapons and they told the people who were there
		to fuck themselves.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		And the key thing is that they were settler colonialists whereas like British colonialism was different because they could always go back home to their little island.
		These people had nowhere else to go.
		So it's like we either get the natives off the land and destroy them or we get pushed out.
		And that's also what you have in Israel.
		They are settler colonialists.
		Many of them, although a lot of them can go back, like have dual European citizenship, many of them see themselves as having no place to go, which is why they are so ruthless.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We've gone pretty late, but if you want to add any final thoughts.
unidentified		I was just going to say, well, one last thing on that topic is that I think it's just very strange for us because very rarely are wars nowadays fought over land specifically.
		They're usually fought over resources or only land so that they can get resources through there.
		Like Ukraine, they want the Cutter Turkey Pipeline and stuff.
		Back to, or just, you know, shouting out my business.
		I appreciate you guys letting me shout out last time I got quite a few sales, but the pre-orders are still up for five more days on WatchmenClothingCo.com.
		I really appreciate the support so far from all the listeners and you guys.
		I freaking can't believe you guys pulled it up on the show.
		You had me freaking out when you got that.
		But, and one last thing, Ian.
		Dude, I love you so much, bro.
		I pray for you often, and I wholeheartedly believe that you will come to Christ.
		I really do think that you love God and that you really want to find the truth.
		A lot of people don't give you credit for what you're really trying to do, so I appreciate that.
		Also, one message to the Catholics who say that Rome belongs to the church.
		The temple is in you.
		Christ died so that he didn't need a physical temple for you to go to anymore.
		You can talk to him whenever you want.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Nice, man.
phil labonte ▲ ● ▼		The Holy Land belongs to Rome.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		All right, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for calling in.
unidentified		Thanks.
		Cheers, brother.
		Hey, guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Max, thanks for hanging out.
		It's been a blast.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
		Thanks for giving me a platform, giving me the opportunity to speak to an audience that might be different from the one I usually speak to.
		I had a great time with the crew.
		And I learned a lot.
		And thanks to everyone who didn't agree with me for hearing me out.
		This is a great opportunity for me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we'll, of course, we strive to do the inverse.
		You know, we'll have someone on who's probably got a more pro-Israel bent.
		We probably actually have them on all the time as it is, so it was great to have you, so I appreciate it.
max blumenthal ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And for everybody who's a member, you guys rock.
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