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Timcast IRL - Hamas Post Video Of Israeli Child Hostages, Leftists CHEER For Attack w/Dinesh D'Souza
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tim pool
Peace.
Now, reportedly in the video they say they don't kill kids, but that's not really the point.
The point is, they're basically sending a warning to Israel, they're making a statement that if they're targeted, there are children of their victims, children being victims as well, with them, and it is absolutely horrifying.
A new report from Reuters says that, uh, essentially, the U.S.
must be prepared for World War III.
I'm not, I'm, I kid you not.
They're talking about a security analysis, but we'll, we'll, we'll talk about that.
Plus, we have scenes from all the protests that have occurred today.
Nothing, uh, um...
I would say grand scale absolutely crazy happening today.
Of course, everyone's kind of relieved.
But there were some incidents that had it happen.
Some disturbing videos, which we'll get into all of that.
But we're gonna be talking about what's the current state of what's happening with obviously protests in the U.S., leftist support for BLM and Palestine.
We have The View claiming Hamas is like the Proud Boys, despite the fact that Black Lives Matter is overtly supporting them.
So we will talk about these absurdities.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Dinesh D'Souza.
dinesh d'souza
Thanks.
Really fun to be here, guys.
This is my first time, you know, in the pit here, and I'm looking forward to our conversation.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
dinesh d'souza
Well, I'm a writer, I'm a speaker, I make films, documentary films.
I'm now done, well, I'm coming out with number seven, which is called Police State, and it's in theaters October 23rd and 25th.
And there's a virtual premiere, watching from home, on October 27th.
So that website is PoliceStateFilm.net and actually talks about a lot of very bad things that have been happening in the United States in the last few years very quickly, one by one, our basic freedoms put into jeopardy.
carter banks
Right on.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out.
Should be fun.
We got Carter Banks hanging out.
carter banks
What's up, everyone?
Pleasure to be here.
Big fan of yours, Dinesh.
Like I was saying earlier, you're partly responsible for my dark red pilling, so it's gonna be awesome having you on.
ian crossland
Yeah, what does D'Souza mean?
dinesh d'souza
D'Souza is a Portuguese name, and the Portuguese came to India, this was going back to the 16th century, and they converted a bunch of Indians to Christianity.
And the Indians who converted, originally Hindu, took Christian names.
So, one of my ancestors was obviously converted by, probably by a missionary named D'Souza, and so we became D'Souza.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
Fascinating.
Good to see you, man.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Hello, everyone.
unidentified
Let's go.
ian crossland
Let's talk.
There's so much I want to talk about tonight, so let's get the group involved.
serge du preez
There is a lot to go over.
I'm Serge.com.
Ready when you are, Tim.
tim pool
Here's a story from the Daily Mail.
Sickening footage released by Hamas shows terrorists holding Israeli toddlers and children during Saturday's massacre, which shocked the world.
Sickening footage released by Hamas today allegedly shows a terrorist holding Israeli toddlers.
The video shows Hamas members holding the youngsters as they sit around a table.
One is seen rocking a prom as an infant cries.
Others are carrying the distressed children, rocking them and patting their backs.
The footage was recorded during as Hamas gunmen carried out their mass infiltration of Israel last Saturday, according to Israeli newspaper the Jerusalem Post.
The attack saw Hamas, prescribed as a terrorist organization by the EU and the US, burst through the heavily militarized border around the Gaza Strip, as we all know, took an estimated 150 Israeli foreign and dual nationals, national hostages, back to Gaza during its initial attack.
Hamas said on Friday that 13 of them had been killed in Israeli airstrikes.
It has previously said four hostages died in the bombardments.
So you can see here they have images of them taking the children.
Now I suppose the claim they're trying to make Is that they didn't kill the kids?
There's also videos where Hamas fighters are indiscriminately firing into porta-potties.
So this is all propaganda from a group that is out of control.
Sadistic, targeting civilians.
If one Hamas guy or Palestinian activist comes out and says that they believe in peace, it doesn't matter.
Because, clearly, there is no unified message as to what they're doing.
They're going and indiscriminately just killing and capturing civilians.
And we know they use them as bargaining chips.
So, here we are again, in this circumstance.
And the craziest thing is, right now on the left, the only thing they're saying is, Israel's killing babies.
This is, it is, this is the nightmare scenario of war.
But, I gotta be completely honest, they will make, the left makes the argument that Israel started it when, quite literally, Hamas broke the barriers down and went and started targeting civilians.
So, you know, you wanna take this back thousands of years, fine, so be it, but Hamas is targeting civilians and children.
Israel targeting militarized sites or whatever is not the same thing, though we are all distressed when civilians die.
That's, that's a no-brainer.
dinesh d'souza
What the defenders of Hamas in this country and the West are doing is they're trying to dispute a wholesale truth by making sort of retail objections and what I mean by that is they'll say this particular image is distorted or this is not a valid video as if to say, and maybe they're right because we're in an age where there's so much fog of war, there's so much confusion about whether this video was digitally altered, sometimes difficult for you or I to know, But the implication is that if the video is invalid, kids are not being threatened by Hamas.
And I think we shouldn't lose sight of that bigger truth.
ian crossland
Sort of like that picture of the burned baby that Ben Shapiro posted yesterday, and then the AI machine said, hey, it's actually fake, and it's like, yo, maybe it's real, maybe it's fake, it doesn't matter.
It is real apparently now, but who knows if that's even true, but ultimately it doesn't matter, because they did kill babies, and very likely burned them alive, I don't know.
It doesn't matter if that picture is real or fake.
tim pool
These videos of Hamas storming these houses, and then you can see one guy lighting a house on fire, they're not checking the bedrooms to make sure innocent people aren't dying, they're opening fire on closed porta-potties, With people in them, they don't care.
ian crossland
And I should say, it's very, very self-righteous of me to say that they are.
It seems as if they are.
From reports that I've read, that they were indiscriminately murdering old women, people.
tim pool
Bro, there's videos.
Like, look.
I just watched a video where they're walking through the music festival, and there's a row of porta-potties, and it's go pop, pop, pop.
Like, come on, man.
There could be kids in there, there could be women.
When we see them, in one video, waiting at the gate of a kibbutz, And then a car pulls up, they wait for the gate to open, run up and execute the people inside the car.
They're not checking to see if that's an elderly woman or not, they're just opening fire on the car and then running in.
They're not checking to see if there's people in the room.
They walk into the house and then start setting things on fire.
So when we see photos that are being published that don't show the bodies, they show blood and they show gore and stuff like that, I really don't think That the Israel government is manufacturing scenes when we can see the videos, and we know that even journalists of a more pro-Palestine bent are saying, yeah, they target civilians, it's one of their tactics.
There's videos of them holding children!
ian crossland
My guess is that civilians are making fake content, governments are making fake content on all sides, but that also there's lots of real content as well, and it's terrifying me.
I was saying earlier, I want to go look at the most gruesome stuff.
Where is it?
I want to see it.
And then as I was thinking about it, I was like, I don't, I don't want to get tricked into seeing gruesome stuff from two years ago or things that like fake gruesome stuff that makes me crazy.
So I don't even know if I want to look at any of it now.
So I don't want to not know what's going on.
tim pool
So the big controversy the other day, which everybody gets mad about, you've got the very pro-Israeli side, anger that anyone would dare question the authenticity of this photo posted by Israel.
You've got people on the left arguing that it's not real, and if you're saying it is, oh no, you're posting fake nonsense.
I don't care about that.
I care about actually investigating the story and figuring out who's lying.
Now.
What had happened was, I did an AI or not analysis on the photo that was posted by the Israeli Prime Minister, and Ben Shapiro had posted the same image, and it said it was AI.
I then put an AI-generated image in, it said it was AI.
I then put in a graphic designed by humans, it said it was made by humans.
I then put in a photograph of John Fetterman that we got from a news story we used for a thumbnail, and it said it was a human-generated photo.
So it was accurate.
I don't know if the photo of the baby in this regard I should say definitively right now, it was inaccurate as it pertained to the charred remains of that baby.
There has been a much deeper analysis where they actually posted the forensic analysis of the image and the other manipulations that were made to it.
It appears to be, beyond a reasonable doubt, the photo is real.
It is a real photo of a real doctor showing the remains and it's kind of horrifying that this is what happens.
First, it's horrifying that people are like, I demand to see the photo to prove it.
And that's, that's sad, and that's horrifying.
At first they're like, look, for privacy reasons, we don't want to show these things, but people demand the proof.
So it gets posted, and then what happens is propagandists and people trying to, to...
I guess when an information war, then claim it's all fake.
And then finally we get a bunch of different AI forensic analysis.
One of the things they did was, there's some tools where it shows you like pixel patterns and like things like that, that you can't see with your own eyes.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
But when you run it through several filters, you can clearly see lines where AI is generated.
The original image doesn't appear to be fake.
And then there are faked versions of it that are clearly fake.
So I would just say at this point, Who knows?
I believe, to the best of our abilities, it's a legit photo and this stuff's horrifying.
But again, I don't think we need it at this point when there's videos of Hamas laughing, holding the kids.
They're clearly targeting them.
dinesh d'souza
The terrorist MO has not changed.
If you go back to the 70s when you had the IRA and you had the incident at Entebbe and so on, the idea of taking hostages The idea of exploiting the other side's reverence for human life.
I mean, think about it.
They know that the Israelis care about human life.
If the Israelis really didn't care, the hostages would be meaningless.
The reason that they grab your kid as a hostage is they know that you're gonna go, okay, you know, I'm gonna... So it reminds me a little bit of how in this country, you know, they use the accusation of racism.
I'm not... Think of this just by way of analogy.
When somebody comes to you and says, you're a racist, Their hidden assumption is that you're not a racist.
Because if you were really a racist, you'd be like, thank you very much!
This is awesome!
You know what I mean?
It's like someone coming to me going, Dinesh, you're Indian!
I'd be like, yeah, sure.
But they want you to go, no, I'm not.
So the fact that you go, no, I'm not, is you don't believe you are, and you don't want to think of yourself as a racist, so the charge of racism only works on anti-racists.
tim pool
Not anti-racist, though.
They've copied that phrase.
Anti-racist to them, actually.
dinesh d'souza
It works on people who are not racist.
tim pool
Exactly.
dinesh d'souza
Yeah, because it hits them where it hurts.
If someone was genuinely racist and proud of it, it would not hurt at all.
They would take it as a compliment.
tim pool
This is a very clever game they play.
They took the phrase anti-racist because people assume it means you oppose racism.
It doesn't.
Anti-racist means you're quite literally racist, but in a different way.
dinesh d'souza
That's a good point, Dave.
That's right.
This appropriation of vocabulary, and the left is really good at this.
I mean, the resistance, you know, even the language of decolonization.
I mean, decolonization is a good idea, right?
I mean, I'm from India.
India was a colony of the British, if you say decolonization.
But over the years, the Indians have sort of reassessed, because they've now realized, yeah, there were some bad things from the British, but guess what?
You know, we still wear suits, we still have British laws, we still have parliamentary systems of government, we got a lot of things from the British.
But nevertheless, this trope of anti-colonialism is driving this whole narrative.
That's what makes the Palestinians into heroes and the Israelis into villains.
ian crossland
How bloody was the Indian revolution, if it was even considered a revolution, against the British when they seized control?
dinesh d'souza
It was one of the unbloodiest revolutions of all because Gandhi recognized that the Indians were, they outnumbered, the British were ruling India with a very small contingent of people.
And so Gandhi realized, listen, all we need to do is sort of paralyze the country with non-violent demonstrations, and it'll be too difficult for the British to kind of manage this Indian elephant.
And so the British sort of essentially let it go.
But again, the only reason the Indians could pull that off is because the British were not Hitler.
I mean, if the British were Hitler, Gandhi would be, you know, a lampshade.
unidentified
God, literally.
dinesh d'souza
But the Indians could count on the fact that they could go light on the tracks, the railway tracks, and all the British trains would go eeeerrrr, they'd grind to a halt, because again, the British are not willing to run over Indian kids.
And so that ultimate, the British, their own morality was the undoing of the empire.
tim pool
And I think we're seeing, in the United States, elements of the liberals and the left that are anti-America and hate this country.
There's a video right now going around of someone on, I think it's on Fox, I'm not sure, where they're asking a person at one of these protests in New York supporting Hamas, saying, you know, do you believe America should take care of itself first?
I'm like, absolutely not.
And it's like, okay, well, when you have a large faction of Americans, maybe half the country, who are like, America last!
Okay, well, you've got problems with pipes in Flint or Newark or whatever, insert country, but you want to send our money overseas first?
This country will not survive that.
You're giving away your money to your neighbors before paying your rent.
Eventually you get evicted.
unidentified
Sooner or later.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, one of the things I found, and going back to my just experience growing up, was that India had these wars with Pakistan.
And I noticed that while those wars were going on, every Indian was on the Indian side.
For the exact same reason that every Indian backs the Indian side in the cricket match.
You know, nationalism, India first, is taken for granted.
Nobody even debates it.
It's not like you have to discuss, is it a good idea to be India first?
I mean, no Indian would even know what that means.
And yet, when I came to the United States, suddenly I realized, and this is in some way a legacy of the Vietnam War, suddenly I realized a lot of Americans actually are not on the American side.
They actually want the Vietnamese to win.
They are America at last, and they see America as a villainous force in the world, even though America's been a very benign force in the world.
Any other country that had this kind of power that the U.S.
has had since World War II would have used it far more tyrannically.
carter banks
Oh, yeah.
serge du preez
It's almost like a tell when someone says that the U.S.
is like the most racist country in the world.
I hear that all the time, like, you have not traveled anywhere.
tim pool
Quite literally, like, the least racist country.
serge du preez
Literally, literally.
tim pool
Like, even, I bring this up when I went to Sweden.
They try to claim they're very progressive, but they're super racist.
They're like, we scuttle all the poor people into these ghettos and then tell everyone how awesome we are, but then we only hire white natives.
And in the United States, you've got white liberals without group preference.
And there was a story that came out that found, I think over the past several years, something like 90 plus percent of mid to high level jobs were all given to non-white individuals because of the DEI push.
So it's like, that's clearly racist and in violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
But here we are.
Let's jump to the story.
I hope y'all are ready.
It may have been the Global Day of Jihad, Friday the 13th, but we have this from Reuters.
U.S.
must be ready for simultaneous wars with China and Russia, report says.
The U.S.
must prepare for possible wars with Russia and China by expanding its conventional forces, strengthening alliances, and enhancing its nuclear weapon modernization program, a congressionally appointed bipartisan panel said on Thursday.
The report from the Strategic Posture Commission comes amid tensions with China over Taiwan and other issues and worsening frictions with Russia over its invasion of Ukraine.
Another thing that many people have brought up to us that came up yesterday was something called the Samson Option.
Considering the conflict with what's going on with Israel, I think it's particularly relevant to this story.
For those who aren't familiar, the Samson Option is the name that some military analysts and authors have given to Israel's deterrent strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a last resort against a country whose military has invaded and or destroyed much of Israel.
Commentators also have employed the term to refer to situations where non-nuclear, non-Israeli actors have threatened conventional weapons retaliation such as Yasser Arafat.
Now what's interesting about that concept of the Samson Option, the general idea being, if, so we have this convoy of Hamas storming in, killing civilians, Israel then starts targeting Hamas bases and weapons depots and things like this, civilians get caught in the crossfire, they die.
We then get fake videos, there was a fake video today apparently of Qatar saying that they were going to cut off gas supply, not real, it's been debunked, my understanding.
But you have threats from Iran, you have Lindsey Graham saying war with Iran.
If there is an invasion of Israel, the fear is that they're just going to say, we refuse to be destroyed and they'll fire a nuke at their enemy.
But I think the reality is any country with a nuclear weapon that is invaded and is facing extinction or non-existence is going to launch a nuclear weapon.
So the fear here is Israel being particularly vulnerable.
If they launch a nuke, then what happens?
I mean, it's going to be all out World War III, massive nuclear warfare.
carter banks
Yeah.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, when I think about it, the Samson option was essentially the core of what in the Cold War we called Mutually Assured Destruction.
Because Mutually Assured Destruction is the United States has 10,000 nuclear warheads and the Soviet Union has 10,000 nuclear warheads.
And the reason you have peace is each side makes a public declaration that if the other side launches nukes, You will do the same and cause, essentially, the extinction of mankind.
And it's that mutual fear, oddly enough, that keeps both parties reasonably well behaved.
Now we're in a post-Cold War era, of course, but I don't see why that logic disappears.
It remains actually identical, except now it has to be applied You know, more regionally or more locally.
But why would a country allow its own extinction without wanting to visit exactly the same on the people who perpetrated that?
I mean, this is a case where, I mean, I suppose there's a certain, at a certain theoretical level, you could go, well, listen, they've already launched these nukes.
I'm going to die anyway.
Why should I kill more people?
I just need to sit tight and let myself be blown up.
But that's not realistic.
No one really thinks like that.
ian crossland
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
I've never been through nuclear war, but it's not just like the nuke hits, and then that's the end.
Like, a nuke will set up the stage for an invasion.
Like, you can level the ground, level all the defensive capabilities, and then invade the city that got nuked, like, two days later or something, or a day later.
carter banks
Well, also, there's fallout.
There's all sorts of things that happen afterwards that Also suck if you don't die immediately.
It's almost worse.
unidentified
Radiation and... Yeah, 48 hours of fallout or something.
ian crossland
The Chinese, are they actually genetically altering their soldiers to be radiation resistant?
We talked about that.
tim pool
There was a report that they've started breeding genetic super soldiers.
I mean, that's a scary reality of what's to come.
And so I suppose the concern is not even nuclear weapons.
I think that's...
Old school thinking.
Honestly, it is actually crazy to me that most people to this day are like, nuclear weapons.
I'm like, bro, that's a hundred years old, basically.
Like, they started developing this stuff a hundred years ago.
Deployed a couple, by today's standards, weak ones.
That's kind of scary to think too.
And then, really, I mean, what?
Since the seventies, we've had ICBMs and MIRVs and things like this.
The US, 10 years ago, funded a very, very small megaton gravity bomb.
Basically, pocket-sized version of the Fat Man.
And we also have these ICBMs, we have hypersonics.
But I think people need to understand that a lot of the research has been in targeted biological weapons.
And the real scary thought is, not that Israel says, we're gonna fire a nuke, but that they're like, we're going to unleash a virus, or something like that.
ian crossland
Or like an insect plague.
I think that people have been using insects also.
tim pool
I mean, let's think about this realistically.
You've got ethnic conflict in the Middle East, right?
These are groups that hate each other based on their ethnic heritage.
Wouldn't they be specifically trying to target... If you've got groups of people saying that they want to eradicate Israel, would they not make weapons specifically to do so?
carter banks
If they had the capabilities, they probably would.
ian crossland
I do believe that it's more about territory and less about genetics at the core.
I think it's about who owns that area of the world.
tim pool
Well, right, right.
But what I'm saying is the majority of the people in Israel are Jewish, and many of these people in, say, Iran or in Gaza, Lebanon, explicitly say the Jewish people.
And so it's not even about that.
I mean, isn't there, on all sides, when it comes to any kind of war, if the U.S.
is facing war with Russia, there is an incentive.
This is war, man.
I mean, you look at what, what was that Japanese unit in World War II?
731, I think.
unidentified
731.
carter banks
731?
Yeah.
tim pool
They stuck people's arms into sub-zero temperatures.
They're in a room and they put their arm into a vat or whatever with sub-zero temperatures, and then pull it out and shatter it with a hammer to see what would happen.
carter banks
Yeah.
tim pool
Then, after the war, the U.S.
is like, we need those guys over here.
Well, it's like the depravity of this stuff.
carter banks
Because they were sending like plague fleas and hot air balloons over here.
I think one actually landed.
tim pool
Well, they were doing those bombs.
carter banks
Yeah.
tim pool
They had the hot air balloons.
What are they called?
serge du preez
We talked about it.
Yeah, we did.
tim pool
They would float in the jet stream.
And then once they would start sinking, once they got too low, then a bag would drop and it would go back up.
Crazy!
And then it would end up dropping bombs.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, we just get a small insight into how nuts these people are just when we think about gain-of-function research.
I mean, just think of something so explosive as to take highly contagious viruses and start screwing with them to make them more lethal to, quote, study them.
And this is going on in laboratories all over the world.
And the probability of these viruses getting out when you add up all the laboratories and all the procedures is actually pretty high.
So it ends up that you create a worse plague than you started, or that you started out to try to diffuse.
And all of this is, this is all in peacetime.
And now you put in war and the aggression and the competitiveness of war and the massive resources devoted to the military, which is much bigger than the resources available to the NIH.
And you can only imagine what scary stuff is going on there.
tim pool
Yeah, and honestly, it's beyond just biological weapons or directed energy weapons.
When the U.S., during the Manhattan Project, nobody knew what they were doing.
There were speculations that the U.S.
was working on some kind of technology, and some of the speculation was a laser beam, a death ray.
And some people, I believe, did speculate that there was going to be a nuclear bomb.
I think it was because The initial publications of nuclear reactions, quantum mechanics, and things like that was like 20 some odd years earlier.
So the U.S.
started working on this and theoretically saying, like, can we make this explode?
Can we blow it up big?
And so people were trying to figure out what it was.
Right now, but no one knew.
That's my point.
Right now, the weapons the U.S.
has are probably beyond our comprehension.
Right?
I shouldn't say beyond our comprehension.
I mean, like, we'd be like, oh, wow, they did what?
It's just that If they, I'll put it this way, I bet they could come out and be like, yes, the large, you know, international, multinational, military industrial complex corporations have a weapon that is based on, you know, X. You'd be like, wow, I never thought of that.
ian crossland
You might, I might say that there are the weapons that are being used now are beyond our perception.
That might be, that might be an interesting way to look at it because like lasers, you don't see them.
They're just heat, it's just heat that you can't see.
tim pool
What I mean is like, we're not even thinking of what they've already developed, so we're We're talking about, like, biological weapons, and they're like, that was 20 years ago.
ian crossland
Molecular disassembly through vibration.
I mean, some people's skin just fall off just by hitting them with a low frequency, stuff like that.
carter banks
Or just, like, renders you not able to think at all.
tim pool
Well, look at the, was it the Havana Syndrome?
serge du preez
Yeah, Havana Syndrome.
tim pool
They thought that was a weapon.
I guess they're saying it's not now.
But people would hear, like, a loud hum, and then they would lose, they would start losing vision in one eye and getting headaches, and they couldn't think straight.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, interestingly, with every major war, the magnitude, the scale, the horrific nature of it was completely unanticipated before the war.
I mean, World War I, nobody had any idea that it would last as long, that trench warfare, you'd have people who are basically fighting for two and a half years for like 50 yards of land.
And you're sitting in a trench, knee-deep in water, you sleep there.
People are being shot up and their bodies then just dissolve right next to you.
And so just the sheer horror of it and, you know, the thing about it is we haven't had that kind of a war now in all of our lifetimes because we have to go back to World War II for a comprehensive war.
So it makes people, in a sense, Lose sight of what war actually means.
ian crossland
The first one, first world war, was the machine gun.
No one anticipated the machine gun.
So they'd get up with their rifles and run towards what was assumedly dudes with rifles, as they had done for thousands, hundreds of years.
And then the machine gun changed that.
And then World War II, the air power, like the force of an air bomber changes everything.
And now what do we have?
We have space lasers.
Who knows what we got?
tim pool
This is the story.
Well, yeah, China does have space lasers.
Not to say they're weaponized, but we know for a fact that story.
ian crossland
You could drop stuff from orbit readily.
It's just getting it up there.
tim pool
Getting it up there, right.
But what you're describing, Ian, is the story of basically every war, right?
So we've talked about Gettysburg.
The Confederates were using muzzle-loaded rifled muskets, and the Union had adopted breech-loading rifles with cartridges.
So the union is firing every 10 seconds and the confederates are firing every 30 seconds to a minute.
ian crossland
Napoleon... No question.
I don't know if Napoleon had new tech other than like if the Dutch tech that the Dutch didn't have or tech that the Austrians didn't have or whatever but he had he invented the core system the core you know the the core military core where he'd Divide command amongst his generals and give all of his marshals, basically they were called, total authority amongst themselves.
And so they were able to move much more rapidly and respond to battlefield activity much more fluently.
dinesh d'souza
Right.
Absolutely.
I mean, there's a very interesting study of Western civilization which tries to understand how the West became the dominant world power, which it has been over the past five hundred years.
And the argument was that the Western countries were always fighting.
And as a result, each side had to keep innovating in terms of warfare to get the edge over the
other guy.
Whereas you think of other, take American Indian societies, for example.
Now, there was tribal warfare and so on, but it was conducted kind of the same way.
Whereas what was happening in the West is one guy, you know, you start off and everybody
has a normal cavalry.
Then one guy starts inventing a crossbow and the other guy has to develop a shield and
then the knights start putting on armor.
And so there's constant innovation that shows why the power in the West keeps moving.
I mean, it belongs to the Portuguese.
In fact, that's how the Portuguese got to India.
They were the leading power in the West at one time.
Then the Spanish, then the French, then the English.
Hitler's actually basic point was he was kind of envious of the fact that the British and the French had sort of dominated the world in the previous hundred years.
He's like, what about the Germans?
So a lot of Hitler's aggression was motivated by that.
He actually admired the British Empire.
He wanted to create one.
tim pool
Well, with Europe, you have a peninsula.
And with expanding population density, the Mediterranean is warm weather, so there was More abundant food.
It was easier to grow food.
You end up with people with more free time.
Then you get population density with close proximity and conflict over resources once winter starts rolling in.
So you have all this fighting.
Because exactly as you described, you get innovation.
There was one story I read where, I can't remember what battle it was, but one side made their arrows with very tiny notches, so that when they fired the arrow towards the enemy, the enemy could not put the nock, or whatever it's called, the notch, or whatever it's called, into the string, and they couldn't fire it back.
But theirs, with the larger hole, they could pick up, so they could use both arrows, but one side, like that kind of innovation.
Now here's the thing about North America.
Sparsely populated.
When Native Americans would fight, it would be brutal, but they could also flee.
So we see this in natural selection as well.
It's why birds are less likely to be aggressive, because they can just leave.
Flight, in the sense of avoiding a fight, not in the literal sense, avoiding a fight takes less energy than engaging in a fight.
So, burrowing animals tend to be more vicious, and flying animals tend to be less vicious.
For that reason.
It's not absolute, right?
Rabbits are not particularly vicious.
You back them in a corner, they might nip at you, but their strategy was just to have lots of themselves.
Which is kind of funny.
Or their evolutionary pressure.
ian crossland
And they didn't have armor.
The Native Americans, as far as I know, I don't think that they're- Oh, a little bit.
They didn't build castles.
They didn't build defensive bastions.
They didn't really, that I know of, build armor and things like protective, because it was always like attack and retreat, attack and flee, attack and run away.
tim pool
It's such a massive landmass with tremendous farmland in the Great Plains that you didn't have to have such dramatic fighting over resources and effectively, you could leave.
If they were chased out and the land was taken by a warring tribe, they would run away.
ian crossland
And they didn't, I don't know, I assume that they didn't farm, not as readily as they did in Europe.
They were more hunter-gatherers.
dinesh d'souza
Well, you had two types.
You had the sedentary farming tribes and the Hopi, the Pueblo, but of course they were always at the mercy of the Comanche and the Apache and the nomadic, more vicious, tomahawk-carrying tribes which would have their way with these other... I mean Columbus noticed this when he got here.
The first Indians that he ran into were really nice guys and Columbus went back to, you know, he went back to Spain and he's like, these people are like, they're like Adam and Eve, they're like living in the Garden of Eden.
The second time he came back he ran into a whole different crew and in fact a lot of the allegations against Columbus, oh Columbus turned vicious and so on, Well, the reason he turned vicious is he ran into tribes that were into mass slaughter and that opened his eyes.
tim pool
This is the thing that the left ignores when they were like, the colonizers, the European colonists called the Native American savages.
And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
The French cooperated with many of the tribes in the Canadian territories, fur traders, they got along just fine.
The Aztecs, however, who were pulling people down on altars and ripping their body organs out, they were a bit shocked by that.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, we're shocked about these hostages.
Now, think about Cortez in Mexico seeing this stuff.
I mean, you have rivers of blood.
Imagine the psychological impact on the Spanish.
tim pool
And so, yeah, I think that is... I'm unsurprised the left takes the view that the Aztecs were doing something acceptable.
Because sacrificing children, like, literally just killing children, would, like, any one of us would be, watching that happen, would probably start crying.
And you imagine Cortez, the historical view from the left is that Cortez is on this boat, sailing to the Americas, going like, and he's got, like, devils behind him, like, when really he's a European guy.
He lands here, and yes, there's conquests involved, they're warriors, they're fighters, and then he comes upon children being mutilated, for no reason!
I wouldn't be surprised if he started bawling his eyes out, and then was like, we have to stop this.
dinesh d'souza
Exactly.
No, that's right.
Also, you mentioned, interestingly, about evolution and natural selection, and that's an interesting framework for looking at human nature and warfare, because the premise of evolution is that self-protection and self-interest is the primary grounding of human behavior.
And I think even ethical systems, and Christianity is no different, you know, love thy neighbor like thyself, right?
Okay.
It's assumed that you love yourself.
If you didn't love yourself, then the whole thing makes no sense.
You have no compass for deciding how to love your neighbor.
Whereas liberalism is, as far as I know, the only ideology in existence that treats self-interest by itself as something bad and something to be guilty about and apologetic about.
And they deploy it selectively against the white man and against the West.
tim pool
And it is really fascinating to me.
People really need to snap themselves out of this.
The hatred of profit.
The assumption of the word profit is something bad or means something negative.
The left, in this country, has really even gotten conservatives feeling guilty about it.
It is fascinating, we talked about this, the leftist GoFundMes, when they're like, I'm raising money for this.
Don't worry, we're taking none of the money.
They do, whatever they do as fundraisers are like, don't worry, the money is only going here, we won't take anything of it.
When I used to work for non-profits, they would, we would have, our tax, the tax filing for non-profits is a 990.
And it would... the organization would say, when you make a donation, X amount is administrative, X amount is to the programs.
And so...
People would actually ask you, how much of the money am I giving you is going towards the program?
And legally, you're supposed to be like, oh, it's 20% administrative costs and 80% to the cost, which makes literally no sense.
Because no one at the nonprofit is getting ridiculous salaries.
Even among the CEOs at nonprofits, they're getting substantially less than corporate CEOs, though they sometimes, like the big ones, they get millions of dollars, for sure.
You're running a massive organization.
But I'm like, I would tell people like, my guy, All of your money is going towards a cause.
Now, you want to give me the tax filing amount, I'll tell you, but this idea that we can't pay for the staff to file the paperwork, that we can't have food to eat or pay our rent or buy a car while we're doing this work is absurd.
But that's the mentality people have.
No, you doing the work should do it for free.
The left has really, however this emerged in this country is crazy to me, they've got people being like, profit is bad.
Now I think mostly conservatives are more attuned to realizing that's BS, we're capitalists here, and profit means your cut of what you're worth, the labor you did.
But people need to realize you're allowed to make money.
ian crossland
My challenge is greed.
You have charity and greed, the virtue and the sin.
And so I try not to be greedy, even though some of my closest advisors and friends are like, Ian, now is the time for you to be greedy.
Make some fucking money, dude.
And I'm like, I just... You can't give anything anymore than you have it.
dinesh d'souza
A lot of times these concepts of greed, hypocrisy, they've lost their original meaning.
So greed normally has meant, historically, That you have your eye on something that is not rightfully yours.
That's greed.
Greed is not, I made an incredible product, lots of people wanted to buy it and so they all gave me $10 a piece and so now I'm a multi-millionaire.
That's not greed.
That's you're supplying a want and someone else is willingly giving you the payment in return.
There's no greed involved.
Take hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy in its current meaning is you have a moral standard And you are falling short of it.
Think of it.
Some guy who's like, I'm a family man.
Oh, he was seen, you know, with another woman.
He's a hypocrite.
Actually, that has never been the meaning of hypocrisy.
Because everyone is supposed to have higher moral standards than you live up to.
Because otherwise the way to not be a hypocrite is not to have any moral standards at all.
You can never be a hypocrite because there are no standards to judge you by.
Right?
So hypocrisy traditionally means I have a standard But I don't really believe in it.
I'm a faker.
So, I actually, I'm only pretending to be a good guy.
But in fact, I'm a really bad guy.
So that guy's a hypocrite.
Because he's stating a value that he doesn't really believe in.
But if someone genuinely believes that, you know, I should be charitable, I should be a nice guy, I should be faithful to my wife.
But guess what?
I'm not as charitable as I ought to be.
Hey, my head turns when a pretty girl goes by.
I'm not a hypocrite.
I'm just falling short of worthy moral standards.
ian crossland
Is it if you accept that you're falling short and don't try to change it, then you become hypocritical?
dinesh d'souza
No, because, well, at least in Christianity, you acknowledge that you are falling short, and your job is to be aware of your falling shortness, and your job is to be aware that you constantly need to strive to do better.
serge du preez
Yeah.
I think that's often hard for people to gather, or to grasp, I should say, rather.
It seems innately inhuman to say that profit is something to be bad, but it's like, because normally in hunting you'd get what you need for an animal, but if you think about it, you're hunting an animal, you're getting not only food for yourself, but for your family, for those around you, etc.
That's what profit really comes from underneath everything, and it's weird, Tim's right, that this has taken root in America, but...
ian crossland
Usury is part of it, is banking profit.
They're taking so much interest and it's unethical, you could argue.
That's the usurious part.
They call it usury because it's unethical, unethical interest.
So people are like, see a lot of people making profit, I put it in quotes, because they're just sitting in their luxury apartments getting 20% on every loan that they've got out.
And you're like, yo, you ain't doing anything for that money, bro.
You just born into that banking family.
dinesh d'souza
Yeah, although even that's very questionable, because if you think of money as... money is the stored value of your earlier labor, right?
So let's say, for example, I'm now 62 years old, I've accumulated money all my life, I've worked really hard for it, and I could have spent it then and had instant gratification.
But I chose deferred gratification, so now I have the stored value.
And there is a time value of money, right?
So now if I invest that money, I don't have to work, but it does represent work I've already done.
That's how I got the money in the first place.
Now you're right when it becomes generational and it's coming down from family to family but you know one of the remarkable things about the United States is that in this country the vast majority of people did not become rich that way.
In other countries it is true that in Europe by and large you meet a really rich guy, chances are he's from a rich family.
But in the United States, self-made people all over the place, and not to mention, within the same family.
I mean, one guy's a millionaire, and another guy's like pump and gas.
In the same family, same, you know, I mean, think of it, same gene pool, same socialization, and they end up so different in the walk of life.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story from Fox News.
We're going to expose Harvard for the liars they are.
GOP Harvard graduates send scathing letter blasting school's response to pro-Hamas students.
Abhorrent!
Harvard has faced heated criticism after student groups expressed support for Hamas after its attack on Israel.
Take a look at this tweet from James Lindsay.
How it started and how it's going.
It's a good one.
And the first one is a quote.
Despite being the most acclaimed academic institution in the country, Harvard received a 0.00 point free speech ranking on 100 point scale, a full 11 points behind the next worst school.
And then the response from the Harvard president.
Over the pro-Hamas protests.
Our university embraces a commitment to free expression.
That commitment extends even to views that many of us find objectionable, even outrageous.
We do not punish or sanction people for expressing such views.
That's absolutely hilarious because they have criticized and condemned conservatives in the past.
The fact that they're unwilling to criticize this group and they're actually saying, well, you know, they're allowed to do it, shows Harvard overtly supports what these students are saying.
The institutions are absolutely corrupted, but as horrifying as this situation in Israel is, we are now seeing the left overtly supporting acts of terror, killing of children, capturing and killing of civilians, and I appreciate their free speech.
I'm glad they're saying the things they're saying.
dinesh d'souza
Yeah, I mean, and yet it is...
It is so poignant for me to see liberals, liberals of the old stripe, and here I'm actually thinking of the former Harvard president Larry Summers.
I don't know if you saw his statement.
He's like, I'm so bitterly grieved that an institution to which I have been affiliated with for most of my adult life is, you know, has sort of broken with the principles and is now taking the side of the terrorists.
And I was thinking, wow, Larry Summers, If anyone would say, who's the embodiment of Harvard over the last 50 years?
They would say you.
You're the example of the kind of classical liberal that surrendered to the left.
That enabled the leftist takeover of these institutions.
Because conservatives never ran these institutions.
When I was a student at Dartmouth, I would say it was the old-line liberals who were in charge and the new left pushing up against them.
And the change in the college to today would be that that insurgent group is now completely in charge and the old-line liberals have been pushed aside.
But the old-line liberals let it happen.
And they're now, in a sense, living with the fruit of it.
It's a little bit like some of these women on the subway.
You know, these bohemian women who are approached by people who, like, punch them and slap them.
And you feel sorry for them, but you're like...
Isn't this what you voted for?
unidentified
Right?
dinesh d'souza
You know, if this guy had come and slapped some other woman and you saw it, you'd be like, don't go after that guy!
He's a victim of racism!
You know, let's not... Black lives matter!
unidentified
So, you've got this... And then they get hit and go, help, help, I'm being oppressed!
dinesh d'souza
That's right.
When it happens to them, suddenly the rules change.
It's like when Elon Musk banned, like, those five journalists leftists on Twitter for, like, one day.
Not only did they go nuts, I mean, they were quoting John Stuart Mill, I mean, they were discovering Yeah, and therein lies the big challenge.
tim pool
But now, I mean, some of them stayed true to their principles.
There's that woman whose boyfriend was murdered in front of her, and the reports are that she's refusing to identify the murderer.
What?
But the conspiracy theory on Axe-slash-Twitter is that it was a hit.
Yeah, I heard that.
You know, I don't know about that, but I gotta be honest.
Are you really gonna come out and claim to the police that the reason you're not identifying the killer is because that would be racist?
Are the cops gonna believe that and be like, really?
Someone murdered your boyfriend in front of you and you're like, but if he goes to jail, it's racist, so whoopsie!
So a lot of people are convinced, like, there's no way someone watches their loved one die in front of them and then says, but because of racism, I think the killer should be free.
Unless they wanted it to happen.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, it's easier if you're a journalist and, you know, the suspect is black, but you leave that fact out of the article, which we've been seeing in recent decades.
But then at least you are not facing the consequences.
It's kind of virtue on the cheap.
I'm not going to mention that he's black, but, you know, I get some virtue points.
But it's a whole other matter if somebody comes and kills your kid.
And you're facing, and you're not willing to say, okay, that guy did it.
tim pool
In the culture war, a lot of parents that we see waking up, it's because they're finally being impacted by it.
And it's an unfortunate reality.
dinesh d'souza
Many years ago, Irving Kristol said that neoconservatism, which we've got a lot of problems with these days, but neoconservatism is when a liberal is mugged by reality.
And that happens to people.
We're seeing it now with Hamas.
tim pool
Have you seen that meme?
I don't know, I can try and pull it up.
It's uh... I'll try and find it.
The political persuasion you gain when uh...
I don't know, I'll have to find it at some point.
But it shows all the different things that turns you into various political ideologies.
So it's like, this graph, and it shows, you get, you pay your, April 20th, and it's like, become libertarian.
Then it's like, get smugged, become conservative.
You know, get your speeding ticket, becomes liberal.
ian crossland
Is war on there?
War starts, become authoritarian?
tim pool
No, no, no.
That's not on there, I don't know.
I'll try and find it.
ian crossland
You guys think that's natural and actually a good thing?
That we become more authoritarian when our livelihoods are threatened by war?
dinesh d'souza
Well, I mean, look, I'm making this film, as you guys know, Police State, and I had to think to myself, how did this come to America?
Because a police state is very alien to America.
And then I realized that Paradoxically, this was a bipartisan creation of the aftermath of 9-11, because a lot of Americans, out of fear, were like, listen, we got these foreign terrorists, who knows when this is going to happen again, we need to stop the next guy, so we're going to give the government all these new surveillance powers, we're going to basically give them a carte blanche, do whatever you want,
Never thinking that 10 years later they would take all that armory of resources and then turn it domestically and say, all right, we'll now have a new target.
Domestic extremists!
Right.
And that changes the whole game.
So that, in my view, was the sort of genesis of the American police state.
carter banks
So it's kind of like a knee-jerk reaction, almost, to being under attack without thinking about the long-term possibilities of that.
dinesh d'souza
Yeah.
Well, when you're in fear and you're in fear of attack, you tend to go to by any means necessary.
That's a normal reaction.
I mean, that's what you would think if outlaws surrounded your house.
I need to fight this by any means necessary.
And that's what leads you to think, I'm going to give the government these powers that I wouldn't normally give them.
This is why the left loved COVID.
Same thing.
They're like, COVID creates a wartime environment in which people are full of fear.
And when you're full of fear, you also trust experts.
Here's a man in a white lab coat.
Take this.
This pill will make you feel better.
You're like, oh, OK.
No one's going to be like, well, why are you giving me these tests, doctor?
What are these tests really for?
And what does this pill really do?
You defer to people who supposedly are experts on all this.
And so this is a wonderful way for the left to make political advances.
Operating through the fear of the American people.
ian crossland
Do you think there are environments where you can kind of change your society into a military society, a militocracy, without it turning on itself?
dinesh d'souza
Well, the Spartans did that for centuries.
They had a very militaristic culture and they would train kids.
They essentially had martial academies as a substitute for schools.
And fighting was their education.
And they were the best at it.
And they developed all these amazing techniques.
Basically, you'd have a phalanx and everybody would hold a shield.
You're not defending yourself with your shield.
Your shield defends the guy to the right.
And you're defended by the shield of the guy to your left.
And so the Spartans would move in a phalanx.
I mean, they were so formidable that in the Peloponnesian War, the Greeks could not fight them.
So the Athenians decided, when the war started, we're going to abandon all our land and go to sea, because we can't fight the Spartans one-on-one.
We'll let the Spartans come and take all our land.
tim pool
Eventually, the weakness of the phalanx was discovered, and they began flanking them.
dinesh d'souza
Well, not only that, but the Spartans also didn't like technology.
Apparently, someone came to the Spartan king, Archidamus, and told him, we've invented a way to launch a projectile, so we don't actually have to fight man-to-man.
And the Spartan king said, I will give you a reward.
Speak to no one about this invention, because if this invention becomes widespread, Basically, military valor will disappear in Sparta.
Wow.
So they were more concerned with maintaining the military virtue than having this kind of new gadget.
tim pool
There's something to that though.
dinesh d'souza
There's something to it.
tim pool
With the advent of the cartridge.
You ended up with conscription.
I mean, there was always some form of conscription, but widespread military conscription came to be when you didn't need to train people.
serge du preez
Yes, because anyone could fight.
tim pool
As soon as you had... So, obviously with the musket, you start seeing more and more of it.
There's always some kind of, we have to go and fight to varying degrees, but then when you got the reloadable cartridge, you end up with the U.S.
going to all these countries and being like, not necessarily the U.S., but many weapons manufacturers and saying, now your farmers can fight.
Hand them this, tell them to point and click.
All they need to be trained is how to reload.
And they're gonna miss a whole lot, but it doesn't matter.
You don't need to know technique anymore.
I watched that movie, I think it's The Last Samurai, I could be wrong.
ian crossland
Tom Cruise?
tim pool
It might have been The Last Samurai, maybe not.
I don't know, I watched a movie where it was... I think this is what it was.
It's in the 1800s and it's around when... Yeah, the end of the Meiji.
Yeah, and so the samurai who are trained and were these elites were no longer necessary and they were losing political power.
serge du preez
Yes, right.
tim pool
That's crazy.
And soon it's going to be a dude in a pod in an underground base with a headset on flying
a drone.
We're already basically there, but I mean like the future of warfare is going to be
silly because it'll be drones fighting drones.
dinesh d'souza
Yeah, that's so true.
tim pool
You're going to be in a factory and you're going to be in a conflict zone and then it's
going to be like the alarm's going to go off and it's like, flee!
All the humans are going to evacuate and then it's going to be a bunch of weird drones just
crashing into each other and robot dogs shooting at each other.
ian crossland
And we'll see another Sparta-like situation where the people from the military-industrial complex and the governments are going to be like, no, we want to use the weapons that we have.
We really want to use our F-17s.
We've got to use our long-range intercontinental ballistic missiles.
And at the same time, you're getting ripped apart by drones or some stupid new tech that's like, well, if we use that, then we're not going to be able to use our toys.
It's like, you've got to adapt.
You're going to have to adapt really rapidly to the new type of war.
tim pool
I mean, look, it was in the, what was it, the 80s?
Terminator?
The concept of an AI taking over our weapons before we even had developed technology.
It's really incredible.
It leads me to believe we're probably going to build warp engines and go travel the galaxy because in the 80s when computers were trash they were like one day computers will be so strong and so smart they'll take everything over.
Now we're looking at AI and it's terrifying.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, the genius of that movie, Terminator 1, I think was the best, but 2 was pretty good too, is that it made an accurate call in a way that earlier science fiction never did.
You go back and read H.G.
Wells, you know, in the early part of the 20th century, and he has the idea that you'd have these massive lumbering robots, like 20 feet tall, with big legs, you know, and they'd be doing all this work for us.
But Terminator, I think, was a very thought-provoking movie in its own way.
And underestimated at the time, but in retrospect, I think it's like one of these movies like Shawshank Redemption, over time it gets better.
tim pool
I think Terminator 2 was the big one, like Terminator was good, they made a sequel, and Terminator 2 was just like it.
ian crossland
2 was huge, huge.
Guns and Roses had a song in it, obviously.
Eddie, the kids.
You were like, I'm the one who needs to be the good guy.
Sarah Connor.
I mean, it was a female hero, the whole thing, like the main character was this badass woman that was awesome, like alien.
It was James Cameron, same director as Alien.
dinesh d'souza
Yeah.
ian crossland
So he's really good at creating, at that point he was.
What's your fear with AI?
Have you been studying it?
Have you done any documentaries on it yet?
dinesh d'souza
I haven't.
No, but I think it changes the rules of the game in so many ways.
I was telling Tim earlier that I walk into my podcast, you know, and the guy who does the technical work on the podcast, he took my last podcast and he put in some AI and there I am speaking fluent Spanish.
And my mouth is moving and my wife who's Venezuelan, she's like, oh my, she was like stunned, you know, speechless for a moment because, so think about, think about the, just from that simple idea, the possibilities of manipulation.
I mean, I can see the promise of it, but I can also see the peril of it.
tim pool
Well, here's the start.
Within a couple of years, YouTube rolls out the auto-translate button that will just press a button and then all of a sudden everyone's speaking Spanish or German or Japanese.
And then, from there, you have the technology to just create a podcast.
You could literally just... We're almost to the point where you can type in to one of these AIs, give me an episode of TimCast IRL with Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, and Donald Trump, and it will AI-generate the whole thing, and it will seem real.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, think about that.
Tim and I could be huge in Japan.
tim pool
That's right.
But I will say very quickly, as of today, today probably not, because Seamus Coghlan, Freedom Tunes, he put out this hilarious video called asking ChatGPT to make a Freedom Tunes cartoon.
And he basically asks ChatGPT to write a script for a Freedom Tunes cartoon based on ones he's already done.
And one of them is Ben Shapiro having Thanksgiving with his family.
And it's actually really funny, and he's, like, surprised.
There's, like, one of the kids goes, when I grow up, can I be a conservative?
It's, like, funny things like that.
But then he types in, Bernie Sanders having Thanksgiving with his family, and it made the exact same script but changed Ben for Bernie.
So it's, like, not quite there yet, but it actually still was kind of funny.
But we're getting there.
We're getting there.
ian crossland
I was picturing, I mentioned Napoleon earlier and how he, one of his greatest achievements was the ability to decentralize command among his marshals and create a core system, that a military, a victorious military government is going to do that with drone, with artificial intelligence, and decentralize its command amongst a bunch of different artificial intelligences, because it's going to be so effective, they're going to win, but it's so risky that one of the AIs is going to go rogue and take over, and then it's going to become man-on-machine.
I'm afraid of that.
tim pool
What did you say about Napoleon?
ian crossland
He was good at decentralizing command.
tim pool
Right.
So I just wanted to add, I wouldn't bring up Napoleon as it pertains to developing new technologies in the military because of this quote.
You would make a ship sail against the winds and currents by lighting a bonfire under her decks?
I have no time for such nonsense.
ian crossland
That's a great quote.
That was Napoleon.
serge du preez
It's like the classic.
It's like the classic is exactly what the Spartans were saying.
We don't want this new tech to come and disrupt what we already have going for us.
Because he's from the age of sail.
He didn't agree with the idea of having a ship with a motor.
Like, oh, that's so not manly.
You hear that all the time.
And then that ultimately becomes the way of the world.
tim pool
I watched a documentary on the ironclads.
And then because we drove down to a national park where we actually got to see like a bunch of the rivers and stuff.
Look at the stories and then I went we went to a an aquarium that actually there's like a crashed ironclad Yeah, dude when people Realized we can coat the top of our boat with metal and then put an engine underneath a steam engine we can we we own and there's crazy stories where like the confederates had this ironclad and and they're firing on a Union ship and then the
I someone's gonna know the story better than me cause I'm not a historian or anything but
one of the guys in the Union ship runs over and he's like he pulls the cord or
whatever to fire it hits the ironclad bounces right off and then lands back
on a ship blowing him up and killing him.
Oh man. That's wild. Yeah crazy stuff and then there's but it's also like
they eventually figured out that the the smokestacks or whatever on the ironclads
were the weak point if you got rid of it the airflow couldn't come in and keep the fire
going and it would shut him down.
Dude, war... like... Was that the monitor?
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I don't remember.
tim pool
War technology history is amazing.
The history of war technology.
dinesh d'souza
And how technology is often the key factor in how a civilization decays.
If you've been to Venice, they have Carnival.
And how'd they get Carnival?
Well, the Venetians actually were the dominant shipping power in the Mediterranean.
But the Spanish set to work on building a better ship, the Caravelle, basically the ships that Columbus got.
And the Venetians knew about it, but they didn't go that way.
They decided, we're not going to go there.
We don't need it.
We dominate the region.
So the Spanish built a better ship, and they crossed the ocean and got to the Americas.
They changed the whole balance of power, not just toward Europe, but inside of Europe.
And then Venice could never recover from that, so they said, basically, let's party.
And that's the origin of... And they've been doing it for 300 years.
ian crossland
So the Spanish prioritized exploration over destructive capability, and that ended up making them more powerful.
dinesh d'souza
Yes, well the Spanish, and it wasn't just the love of exploration, I mean the Spanish wanted to find a better way to get to India, to despise riches of India, and also gold.
So a combination of religious devotion, commercial enthusiasm, and also just love of exploration, all those things came together in Columbus.
ian crossland
Here's what I love.
tim pool
I went we went to a restaurant we're in Miami you know me Luke my girlfriend
were hanging out and we order the food and of course you have the very nice
server walk over and say fresh pepper for your soup sir and he crushes the
little black pepper thing on your on your soup or your salad literally
whatever it is you're eating they ask you if you want black pepper why this
used to be like the most valuable thing in the world I probably how many how
many people died in wars because of black pepper and now it just sits on
every diner You go to a Waffle House, and of course they've got... You have little packages with black pepper in it.
In fact, people just throw it away.
No one cares anymore.
dinesh d'souza
And not just pepper, salt!
For 300 years in the Middle Ages, even rich people would eat meat, but they didn't have salt.
ian crossland
Yeah, in the Bible, I think it was in the New Testament, they mentioned that salt has flavor.
There's a flavor.
Salt has a flavor to it.
I never think of that these days, because it's everywhere.
I'm so desensitized to the saltiness.
carter banks
There's a bunch of different kinds of salt, too.
I worked at this place called Salio Italio once, which is based off of, like, different kinds of salts on food.
It didn't last very long.
tim pool
We have lava salt.
It's because we bought the Wagyu we had one time, and so you get the lava salt, you put it on the Wagyu beef.
And it's got carbon in it, I guess, so it turns black.
ian crossland
So we conquered, well, we, I say this, this imperial conquest of Earth, basically, to compile all the foods for one of the war score goals, or one of the victories that we got was all this food.
But like, now I'm concerned about Klaus Schwab saying you're going to be eating bugs in a pod.
If they really want to control and unify the world, What's the incentive?
Like, you're going to have to make things better if you want to control Earth, not worse.
dinesh d'souza
Well, not necessarily, because I think one of the things that struck me, I was really surprised by, is as I was working on, you know, police state, police state in America, I thought to myself, wait a minute, a lot of the COVID restrictions, for example, that we saw in America, we see them in Canada.
We saw them in Europe.
We see them in Australia.
A lot of the issues of election fraud that we are debating in America, we see in Brazil.
So suddenly, we realize that our danger isn't just a police state, but a police planet.
tim pool
Because there's the risk... A prison planet!
dinesh d'souza
Yeah, a prison planet in which the entire population of the world is under the control of some Decentralized elite, but it's an elite in communication with each other.
I mean, the marvel of today is that you have collaboration without conspiracy.
I mean, here's a crazy example of that.
The suppression of the Hunter Biden story.
This is a real puzzle.
Now, I can understand if you're running Stalin's regime, it's easy to suppress the Hunter Biden story.
Nobody gets to publish it or they get killed.
Or even under, you know, Goebbels.
He's the propaganda minister of Germany.
He just instructs all the media.
You can't do it.
Everything is under the control of the state.
But in America, we have hundreds of news organizations, thousands of journalists, and normal libertarian theory would tell you, okay, If people don't want to publish the Hunter Biden story, some guy at the Sacramento Bee or the Denver Post or the Dallas Morning News is going to be like, you idiots can be my guest and not publish the story.
I'm going to publish the story.
I'm going to have the biggest story.
But the fact that no one did it.
Think about it.
Think about the level of regimentation there has to be where the ordinary reporter, who's not that political, goes, I cannot touch that story because if I do, the sword of Damocles will fall on my head and chop my head off and I can't do it.
Not one guy did it.
ian crossland
The Post, didn't the New York Post report on it?
dinesh d'souza
Right, so when the New York Post, being the only one to go out forward, suddenly it was almost like there was a massive media mobilization to shut those people down, to take them off the internet, to shut down the story, and the media was applauding.
ian crossland
Have you found that these news organizations are working in secret behind the scenes, like a lot of them?
Do you have any evidence?
dinesh d'souza
No, I think this is what makes it even more scary.
I mean, if we could find evidence that they all got on a 6 a.m.
Zoom call and they all said, let's not do it, I would at least go, oh, okay, that's how that happened.
I find it even scarier to find that human beings operate like birds flying to Florida in the summer where they're not communicating.
They're not on a Zoom call, but they take signals from each other and they're all able to maintain a flying formation.
serge du preez
It's like tacit.
I was reminded of George Carlin saying, there doesn't need to be a formal conspiracy for people to act with the same interests or the same underlying interest towards doing something.
And that's exactly what you're talking about.
It was just tacit.
People just did it because they were just like, well, I'm too scared to fall out of the flock or I'm too scared to be attacked by my neighbor because of what I say and do.
And that was really scary.
That was creepy.
That whole, uh, the whole laptop story.
Now it's been totally, it's been totally ratified and it's just reality.
People accept it.
It's like jokes.
You hear jokes about it now, like every day.
ian crossland
It's wild.
tim pool
I think, I think they're losing control.
serge du preez
Yeah, I agree.
tim pool
I think the internet caught the powers that be by surprise and they can't control it anymore.
They're desperately trying, but they just, they've lost the grip.
dinesh d'souza
For a little bit there, it appeared that when they had Twitter and YouTube and Google and Facebook, and those guys were working in coordination.
I mean, interestingly, Alex Jones was banned on those platforms within five minutes of each other.
So think about that.
They had to be in communication.
They had to make a deal that way.
I think that for this reason, what Elon Musk has done is very significant and I think has historic significance.
ian crossland
When you look back, it's pried open the closing Can a free speech and with the development of mesh networking and things like that and where our networks can go phone device to device without some sort of central authority.
It seems like we're headed in a path towards bypassing central authority.
tim pool
This is a cool thing.
Yeah.
When I was on a, I mean, anybody who's gone on a cruise probably has noticed this already depending on the cruise, but I went out to, there was a cruise called Summit at Sea.
And this is billed as like a bunch of influential people all buy a cruise ticket and then everyone interacts.
But when you go, they told everyone, download this app.
It creates a mesh network through Bluetooth so that everyone can chat with each other as if there was a cell tower nearby.
It's the craziest thing.
So basically what happens is you're on one side of the ship.
You send a message to your friend, John, That message, sir, your phone, connects to any nearby Bluetooth in the network, and then it ricochets off every device until it finds his, and then he gets the message.
It's really pretty cool.
carter banks
Without everyone else, like, seeing it, too?
serge du preez
No, no.
tim pool
Yeah, no, because it's encrypted.
carter banks
Right.
tim pool
And so it only seeks out the encryption key from the person who has it.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think in the future, your computer, you'll be able to click a little switch in the bottom right where it'll say, like, activate mesh, and then your computer will just be part of the network, the mesh network.
Anyone else who wants to mesh into it?
tim pool
GPS is mostly becoming irrelevant.
I mean, not really, but kind of.
A lot of people maybe don't know this.
Your phone tracks your location through ambient signals.
Not necessarily through satellites anymore.
Yeah, right.
When you're using... And here's the crazy thing.
Google Maps on Android right now is not even using that.
It's using pictures.
So if you have low accuracy and it doesn't know where you are, it says point your camera out the window and then it uses Google Earth data.
So by you filming the trees as you drive down the highway, it'll be like, found you.
serge du preez
Yeah, when I learned that, it blew my mind.
It was terrifying, actually.
ian crossland
Dinesh, are you concerned about the metaverse?
Not necessarily Mark Zuckerberg's, but just the concept of going into a neural net universe and kind of living your daily life in this thing?
Or do you think it's a good benefit for the species?
How do you view it?
dinesh d'souza
The problem, I think, is bigger than that.
The metaverse is like the latest chapter of this, and that is that we have visual and virtual reality, and I admit, as a filmmaker, I create the same, that if you don't, it has the risk of pulling us away from real human feelings.
And so our feelings become increasingly simulated.
They're not even really real.
And by that I mean we're accustomed to a certain type.
Let's take, for example, a politician who sees some of these horrific images, right?
He goes, Oh my god, there are children who are being held hostage and are being slaughtered, and you feel that emotion as if it was your own kid, but like, for three seconds, right?
Because then somebody goes, hey, I got a hamburger here, you know, you want cheese?
You know, and so we're now in this world where we have this extreme reaction But then we go right back to a mundane reality.
And so, the metaverse just takes this concept to a whole new level, where you can have a surrogate identity, you can have a virtual girlfriend, you can buy real estate in the metaverse, so suddenly you have a surrogate life!
tim pool
This is why people don't get.
There's two reasons why you will live in the pod, and you'll be happy.
You'll live in the pod, you'll eat the bugs, and you'll be happy.
The first reason is, when they take away your children's knowledge of what could be, they won't want it.
So, 100 years ago, let's say 200 years ago, nobody was complaining about not having air conditioning.
There wasn't air conditioning.
You would just go and cool off by the water and hole, or fan yourself.
Now that we have air conditioning, people are like, why don't you have air conditioning?
Oh, there's restaurants.
People won't go.
No, you don't have air conditioning.
Now we have to have it.
They take away your knowledge of what could be and you will be like, wow, the pod is fun.
But the other reason is because it's not living in a pod.
You're going to be a king.
You're gonna come home from work, if you're even going to work, and some people will still have reality-based jobs, but most people will work in, like, white-collar jobs in the pod.
Your house will be a box.
You'll go inside and lock the door, lay back, and then your eyes will roll back in your head or whatever, and then you're instantly in a gigantic mansion.
Where your e-dog runs up to you and your dog never dies, your cat never dies.
We took a scan of your old cat from when you were a kid and made a fake version of it.
Your A.I.
wife walks up to you, she'll never leave you.
She's everything you ever wanted her to be.
ian crossland
We were talking about that at the event last Friday at Evercrack.
I was talking with the guys from PBD Podcast and Everquest, the video game, and he was like, When the power would go out, like, no, I lost my life!
Like, my whole, my person, I'm gone.
And we were talking about the, like, getting into the metaverse and the danger of, like, if you have a surrogate, if you're really in love, and that gets turned off, like, what in the hell?
You're a complete slave to that system at that point.
dinesh d'souza
Two of the great dystopian works of the 20th century were Huxley's Brave New World, which is actually this, what you're just describing, and the other of course is Orwell.
And interestingly, at that time I thought we may go this way or we may go that way, but it never occurred to me that we would actually go both ways.
So we're now getting a hybrid of Huxley and Orwell.
So Orwell says that the police state is a boot stamping on a human face, right?
And we have some of that.
And this is what I do in the film.
I mean, I want the ordinary citizen to see that because Americans have a great difficulty getting their heads around the fact that that could happen here.
But the Huxley part of it is another way a police state lulls a citizen into sort of complacency.
It's like, we'll give you manufactured experience.
Now, manufactured experience is not real experience in the sense that it's not the real thing, right?
I mean, living your life with a real woman and going through all that has a texture and complexity that an e-girlfriend or even a porn video cannot supply.
But Tim's point is, what if you don't know that?
What if you think that this porn experience is actually sexual experience?
This is romantic experience.
I've got a girlfriend.
Why would I want a real one?
This one never complains.
This is what's going on.
tim pool
You're forgetting one name as well.
It's not just Orwell or Huxley.
It's also Bradbury.
Fahrenheit 451.
It's all coming together.
ian crossland
What's that story?
tim pool
Fahrenheit 451.
People became so offended that the society built up firemen who would go and destroy offensive materials.
Right.
And it's not about the government doing it.
It's about the people collectively being like, if you make a book critical of the unions, well, that's offensive to you.
You can't have that.
If someone likes dogs, well, that's offensive to cat owners.
So you got to get rid of it all.
And so what's going to happen is you're going to have the police demanding, hey, it's past curfew.
Get in your pod.
Then you're going to have that.
But don't worry, in your pod, you're eating nothing but cheesecake.
You're eating creme brulee, cookie dough, caramel fudge, cheesecake, triple dipped, deep fried, every minute of every waking hour, whatever you could want.
unidentified
It's like pulsing your abs, and you wake up stronger, and it's safer, because we're always at war!
tim pool
But then...
There's all the information removed from your existence because everyone's shocked and offended by it.
So in your private reality, you have whatever you want, but no one dare go outside of it or interact.
There's gonna be the solo player pod, your own private universe, sometimes you can invite friends in, but it's just for you.
And then there's gonna be the interactive PvP version, but no one dare do anything exciting there because it's too offensive.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, think of the irony right now on campus.
You've got people who for a decade have been talking about being triggered and needing a safe space and microaggressions and you offended me by not using my pronouns and those same people are like, Hamas!
unidentified
They're cheering real murder!
dinesh d'souza
And yet, these rhetorical offenses were evidently so intolerable and unbearable to them and morally offensive, and those same people, when confronted with real atrocities, are like, hmm, we're okay with that one.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't imagine that the Hamas government would use their pronouns.
carter banks
It's also like I was thinking about that when we were watching that video where they were chanting Basically, you know Hitler's thing and I'm like, yeah, we're literally fighting against fascism and now they're On for Hitler's fascism.
serge du preez
It was crazy how fast they were able to adopt a Nazi phrase and turn a phrase just to say that.
tim pool
This is why I say it's like an inversion.
That's why I say the left has no moral framework.
It's a chaotic and destructive force.
It makes no sense. They're like, those words are offensive.
And then they go and cheer for Hamas.
It's like bizarro world.
It's an inversion.
We here as moral people are like, innocent people shouldn't die, but offensive words may be necessary because sometimes offensive ideas are the right ideas and sometimes inoffensive ideas are the wrong ideas.
The left is inverted.
No.
No one should be allowed to speak, but what Hamas did...
It's an inverted world of nonsense morality.
It's crazy.
ian crossland
Yeah, they're falling into the oppressor-oppressed category.
I mean, a lot of it comes from the establishment of the Jewish state over the course of the 19th century.
tim pool
But it's not.
When they say, like, if a homeless white person A homeless veteran, a white man, on the ground, they say he's the oppressor and Oprah Winfrey is the oppressed.
I'm not kidding.
That's their argument based on race.
A white veteran homeless man has more power than Oprah does.
That is nonsensical.
dinesh d'souza
removal of that is that is the logical extension of systematic racism right and in fact it's the nonsensical logic or illogic of intersectionality right so intersectionality is that this was actually a very clever device thought of by a law professor a black law professor in the midwest and she was she's a black woman and she's like listen You know, I don't want all the civil rights prestige to go to Martin Luther King and all these black guys.
How do we get the black women ahead of him, right?
And the answer is double oppression!
So the black guy is a victim of racism, so he's got like one point, but I'm a victim of racism and sexism, two points.
And of course if I'm a black...
female lesbian, or have one leg, then I've got three points, so it becomes like a inverted totem pole.
tim pool
But this was actually not even hypothetical.
You're quite literally describing the algorithmic machine that was built on social media.
So, Facebook launches their algorithm for the first time, and we see a wave of police brutality videos, because people don't like injustice, and so they're like, wow, I can't believe this is happening.
Of all people, police shouldn't be doing this, right?
They're supposed to protect us.
What happened is, many of these websites started making insane amounts of money when they kept posting this rage bait of police brutality.
But then something happened.
Someone posted racist police brutality.
All of a sudden they're getting 2x the views.
So that police brutality plus racism is not just 1.2 points, it's not x plus y, it's xy.
It's multiplied.
What ended up happening is you get some of the most absurd articles imaginable, where it's like Vice writes, Black trans lesbians personify Black Lives Matter and denounce police brutality from white supremacy.
They jam all of these words into the headline, so the algorithm will promote it more.
carter banks
Oh yeah, because it's going to different groups.
tim pool
So the idea of intersectionality actually emerges mechanically through our social media platforms because that's what the machine would share the most.
If someone clicks on racism, the algorithm says, people like this, show them more.
If someone clicks on sexism, they like this, show them more.
But you put them both together, everyone's clicking on it now.
So intersectionality fit the mold perfectly for promotion algorithm.
dinesh d'souza
Very interesting.
It's technology meets ideology and so the ideology came first because these ideas go back to the late 1980s but of course at that time they were not powered by this sort of, there were no algorithms to drive them and then the algorithms, well I mean, the algorithms were programmed in this way because it's obviously, you know, inputs and outputs.
tim pool
Right now, we're watching human identity fracture and shatter into a million pieces, to the point where, for the past 10 years, you've had the emergence of otherkin.
Are you familiar with otherkin?
dinesh d'souza
I've heard the term, but I don't even know what it means.
tim pool
Trans-mythical species.
There are people who identify as elf dragon lords and stuff like this, and it's like, you might assume it's nonsensical, and it's not as in the realm of reality, but a lot of people do say, like, I'm an owlkin, like, I have an owl spirit in me and things like this.
I'm actually identified as a wolf.
As we watch reality break down, human beings, you know like, someone who is male is identifying as female, people identifying as animals, there was one very prominent individual who was male but identified as a female tiger and got surgery to look like a tiger.
carter banks
Oh I saw that, yeah.
tim pool
Well that person took their own life.
What?
As we're watching the chaos rise and identity fracture, if we move into a metaverse reality, give it a couple generations and what you will see inside of people's pods... We make the joke, I made the joke that you're going to live in the pod and you're going to be in a mansion with a woman.
No, no, no, no.
So, in a couple generations of this continued fracturing of identity, you will take a look, the government will say, let's go spy on, you know, this person's pod experience, and they're gonna click it, and they're gonna be a piece of cake vibrating on a bowling ball that's spinning around a moon with a bunch of carrots twirling in the air, and you're like- It'll be like code.
No, it's gonna be- What the hell are they even- It's not even that, it's gonna be nonsensical abstractions- That's what I mean.
Of complete fractured identity, and the cake person has been going, That's what I meant by, sorry to interrupt.
It's going to be expanding complexity of nonsense.
dinesh d'souza
It's the end of human nature, isn't it?
There's an important book from the last century by the Harvard biologist E.O.
Wilson.
It's called On Human Nature.
And he talks about human nature has certain parameters.
Now there's a variation within those parameters, but he says try to imagine a human being that decided, I'm going to be a toad.
Right?
He goes, but I mean, not just I identify like a toad, like I want to look like a toad or wear a toad costume or something, but I want to be a toad.
I am a toad.
In fact, I'm a toad in a human body.
I'm really a toad, but I'm in the wrong body.
He goes, you would have to go down to the creek and jump around in the water and eat what toads eat and be a toad.
Right?
Now, imagine if someone actually did that.
Now, I think most of us, at least the libertarian streak in us would be, that's interesting, let's go check that dude out, you know?
But it would be a whole different matter if that guy then began to demand that the whole of society recognize him as a toad, right?
And so this effort to not only say, my mind has given me this new identity, but I'm now insisting that you Subscribe to this, and you buy into my illusion, so to speak.
tim pool
Yes.
dinesh d'souza
This is where I think we go off the rails.
tim pool
But where are we going?
If we do go into this metaverse, we had that Lex Fridman, Mark Zuckerberg interview, did you guys see it?
ian crossland
I think you pointed out where- I saw clips of it.
tim pool
Where their animated CGI figures, it looks just like them, and they're talking from across the country, but they're in the same room sitting down, and you can see their bodies and face moving as if they're not, you know, it's real-time generation.
Here's what's going to happen.
You think it's absurd to recognize the toad person?
When the whole world is in the metaverse, you're going to walk into your business, you're going to put on your headset, and you're going to grab your controllers, haptic feedback or whatever, your avatar will be you!
Your regular old Dinesh!
Walking, you'll sit down at this table and be like, everybody ready for the production meeting?
And there will be a giant toad, and there will be a giant carrot person, and then there will be a Godzilla, and that's how they identify.
And so, the frog man will be like, I've been continuing to remind people that if you're a human man and you identify, whatever, as a woman, as a brick wall, you're both a woman and a human man.
You never stop becoming one.
ian crossland
You're still a human man that identifies as some other thing.
if you're a human man and you identify whatever as a woman is a brick wall
you're both a woman and a human man you never stop becoming one no silly human
tim pool
man that identifies you don't become anything else well you identify as
ian crossland
something else but you never truly stop being a human man That's part of your experience.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
A human man who identifies as a carrot is still a human man who identifies as a carrot.
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
dinesh d'souza
And you can be both.
There's an imprecision here, because the person who's saying that wants you to believe, even though they use the sly word identify, what they really mean is, I am a woman in the wrong body.
They're not saying, I am imagining myself to be a woman.
I'm a man who imagines myself to be a woman.
What they're saying is, I really am a woman, but I am, in a sense, I've been ascribed the wrong biology.
And that's why I have to undertake all these.
Surgeries and hormones and all this stuff.
tim pool
This matters now, but when we are in a digital reality, there will be no question.
Because you'll be talking to, as far as you can tell, in virtual reality, a woman, and you'll have no idea that it's a middle-aged, morbidly obese man behind the screen.
It's the movie Surrogates with Bruce Willis.
This is the first thing they introduce.
It's like there's some hot woman and some dude at a club making out.
The movie is about people who use robots to pilot the world for them because it's safer.
And then when the person dies, the surrogate of the female dies, they're like, let's go track down the owner and see what happened.
They walk into this very beautiful apartment and there's a 500 pound man in the machine who's dead.
And they're like, that's her?
Yep.
ian crossland
That's great.
You get that a little bit in role-playing games, like World of Warcraft and stuff, where a dude chooses to play as a female half-elf, or a female night elf, and I'm like, well it's... But I don't see that as the same way.
tim pool
It's a question of, when you play with dolls, are you controlling the doll, or are you becoming the doll?
And everybody kind of does it differently, right?
ian crossland
I do, yeah.
I don't become the... I mean, I guess you could pretend to be... You're making the characters, you're like, hello, I'm this guy!
Yeah, I'm this guy.
tim pool
If you're playing in World of Warcraft and you're role-playing, and you're like, I would like to be a half-elf, half-elf female or whatever, people would get married... And not reality.
ian crossland
What's that?
carter banks
You acknowledge it's a game and not reality because you're...
Playing it.
A game, right?
ian crossland
People will get married in the game?
tim pool
Do you identify as your character, or is your character a thing you manipulate?
ian crossland
Yeah, but it was- you're right, because it was- some people were- I was just a manipulative character.
Some people, they started to identify, I think.
And then maybe it's psychoactives, maybe it's like pharma drugs that are making people at 12 years old not know reality from fiction.
tim pool
No, I mean, it depends.
Some people Go into these games specifically to roleplay as a character that either is or is not themself.
But when I played World of Warcraft, I had like seven different, we called them toons.
And some were male and some were female.
It was just like action figures.
ian crossland
Yeah.
But it's, and then if someone asks you like, are you a girl?
And you're like, yes, that's when it goes a little crazy.
tim pool
But we were on, what was it?
TeamSpeak.
And what was the other one?
Was it Vector or whatever?
ian crossland
Um, there's a lot of them.
tim pool
Was it?
serge du preez
I think it was like VectorChat.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, we, everybody knows who we are.
We're hanging out together and it's like, we're, I, it's like playing with action figures.
dinesh d'souza
It's almost as if what's happening in our society is that at one level we're seeing increased clampdown, regimentation, control, governments, elites, and it's not just governments.
I mean our police state is a little bit unique in that it sprawls across the private sector too.
I mean think of censorship.
Censorship involves academia, It involves the media, it involves non-profit institutions, it involves the government and the digital platforms.
So an academic will make up a list, right?
And let's just say Tim Pool and I on the list.
Gotta ban these two guys.
That list will then be picked up by the Biden administration, which will then sort it.
Oh, Tim Pool is spreading lies about the election.
Send it over to CISA, the Cyber Security and Infrastructure Agency.
Dinesh is spreading lies about COVID.
Send him over to the CDC.
So all these agencies compile these lists, but then they don't want to explicitly censor because they might get caught.
So they hand it off to a middleman.
They go to the Stanford Internet Observatory or the Virality Project.
They go, guys, you take this list and you deliver it to the digital platforms.
So that way we're out of it.
So that they do the handoff, the digital platforms ban you, and the media cheers.
tim pool
And they don't make any specific statements of fact.
That way they can't be sued.
So I actually dealt with this.
I think Stanford claimed that I was one of the largest Me and a few other people were the biggest promoters of disinformation during the 2020 election, which is the weirdest thing to say I did, because I have the most tepid opinions on these things.
And we use NewsGuard, which is Microsoft-funded.
They have a contract deal, so they're getting a lot of financing through a deal with Microsoft.
I put out a story where I'm like, hey look, local Fox outlet says X, and they're like, Tim Pool spreads disinformation.
You ask them where or how, they don't have to tell you, and they don't have to argue what is or isn't, and you can't zoom over it.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, to me, the most creepy word that came out of the Twitter files was malinformation.
So malinformation is information that's true.
But harmful to the ideology of the regime.
Kind of something like, you can take the vaccine and you can still get COVID and you can still give COVID.
Well, people go, wait a minute, how is it a, quote, vaccine?
Vaccines, by definition, prevent you from getting it.
And so, that becomes malinformation.
It's not wrong, it's actually true, that's why they want to ban you.
tim pool
At first it was, I think it was misinformation.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And they were like, some people are spreading information accidentally, incorrect.
Then it became disinformation.
That's like, now they're intentionally doing it, then malinformation.
It may be true, but it is bad for a lot of reasons.
dinesh d'souza
Again, flashing back a generation, disinformation used to mean information that is deliberately false, that is put out by a government.
Soviet disinformation coming out through Pravda, Izvestia, all the Soviet propaganda.
But the idea that an ordinary individual debating a vaccine could be doing disinformation is absurd.
You can be misinformed.
You could be even malicious.
You could be lying.
But disinformation, again, that term was ripped out of its original context.
ian crossland
I mean, I would assume that a citizen could provide disinformation, as if they were a Soviet government.
Like, one brilliant guy that has access to a lot of data could definitely, with a lot of followers, could seed, like, a false narrative.
dinesh d'souza
But the argument was that in a free marketplace of ideas, your peers could check you, they could challenge you, so the idea that you could monopolize disinformation, it wouldn't really work.
Whereas on the other hand, if a government was doing it, then they could sort of control the flow of it.
tim pool
Here's the challenge.
Let's say the government releases an AI image, and then the people check that image and say, hey, wait a minute, this is AI generated.
Then, news organizations, through statements made by the government, confirm, actually, it's real.
And people just, what do you do?
You've got multiple news organizations and a government saying, actually, we checked, it's real, and users being like, we ran algorithms and said it's fake, people are gonna be, it's just nonsense world, there's nothing that's true anymore.
dinesh d'souza
That's where we're entering.
We're here now, to some degree.
Think about how often we are told, who do you believe, us or your lying eyes?
So take January 6th.
Most of us had a pretty good view of what happened.
There was a lot of coverage of the event.
You could see, yeah, there was some episodic violence.
There were some clashes.
Some of it got pretty bad.
There were people who climbed through windows and up Up the banisters and so on.
At other stages, you have people wandering very carefully through the ropes, making sure not to deface or damage anything.
And so all of this was right there in front of you to see.
But then a whole manufactured narrative came up, which was quite different from what we saw, and the January 6th committee is, believe this, don't believe what you saw.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
I think of that with 9-11 too.
tim pool
When I watch those buildings fall in near free fall speed, Well, you take a look at January 6th being a good example.
We did on this show, I think this was almost two years ago now.
I talked about how on January 6th, we would likely end up, with January 6th, we would likely end up seeing acquittals because you can't charge someone with trespass unless they've been warned they're trespassing.
And so the problem with January 6th is that many people arrived later on in the day when the fences were removed, the doors were opened by the police, and they walked in confused.
The young Turks, particularly Cenk Uygur, Made a clip insulting me, saying that's the stupidest argument ever, Tim Pool's a moron, as if these people are fighting with police and walking over broken glass and don't know they're trespassing.
You see, the problem was that Cenk and Anna did not actually know what happened on January 6th.
They had only seen what CNN wanted them to see, and they didn't know on the other side of the building, cops opened the door and fanned people in.
Well, sure enough, a couple months later, there was a hard acquittal.
One man argued to the judge, the police fanned me in.
The defense plays a video of the cops going like this and waving them in.
And the judge said, you are correct, sir.
You are free to go.
Case dismissed.
And that's not the only one.
Another man got acquitted on the trespass charge because the police... No, he got acquitted on a bunch of charges, including the trespass without warning.
But then he got a lighter charge because he climbed over a barricade later on or something to that effect.
There was like a half-acquittal.
Some of the charges got dropped because the police were seen fanning him in, but then later on he climbed past a barricade or something.
But we've seen several people get acquitted because the cops fanned him in.
If the Young Turks don't know this, then of course they're going to say, how could Tim say something like this?
The problem is, an inquisitive mind would say, wait, wait, wait, what is Tim Poole talking about?
People didn't know?
How is that possible?
Let me search for this.
Whoa!
I didn't realize the cops fanned people in.
This is one of the biggest challenges we face right now in the culture war is ignorant anger.
ian crossland
But it's even more than that now.
It's ignorant.
Like, I haven't seen all the videos coming out of Gaza or Israel.
I haven't.
So I'm ignorant.
I don't know what's going on.
But then I see videos that aren't real.
So I start to think that I have seen what's going on, but it didn't actually happen.
That's kind of even worse than not knowing.
unidentified
Yeah.
dinesh d'souza
Part of it is we have also been, you know, in a sphere of vast knowledge.
None of us can be in a position to know across the board, right?
And therefore, in a society, you trust institutions and authorities that have expertise in a particular area.
A classic example being the medical establishment.
Does this drug work?
Do I have these symptoms and what does it mean?
How long do I have to live, doctor?
You know?
And so, you defer to these authorities and we have been doing it.
But suddenly, a lot of these institutions, the FBI, the CDC, we've realized are not above lying to us bald-faced, and also not above the most nefarious motives.
Like, you know, here's Fauci, and he goes, oh, shoot.
This virus might have come out of the Wuhan lab.
Guess what?
I've been funding this gain-of-function research in North Carolina.
Those guys are working with the Wuhan lab.
I could be like Mengele.
I mean, I could be blamed for millions of people dying.
I got to make sure that people think this virus came out of a wet market nearby.
So then he calls up some researchers.
These are basically people on the government payroll, but they're world-class researchers.
And he says, you guys, I know you've got some doubts, but whip out a paper.
saying that the virus came out of a wet market.
And these guys are like, oh yeah, my grant's coming up for renewal.
Happy to do so, Mr. Fauci.
They show him the paper beforehand.
He knows all about it.
But then he goes to a press conference and he acts.
This is an Oscar-winning performance.
He goes, you know, I've just come across this important paper by these world-class virologists saying that the virus came from a wet market.
So, Fauci, what I'm getting at here is that police states, when they are under construction, when you're building them, you need a lot of subterfuge.
You need a lot of flim-flam, you need a lot of smoke and mirrors, you need a lot of lying.
Now, when you've got a full-fledged police state, you don't need any lying.
You just walk into a train station, grab a guy, you don't give him any reasons, you beat him over the head, he'll never be seen from again.
But while you're building the police state, you need to fool people.
And so that's what's going on.
And so I think that our distrust of these institutions is completely justified.
tim pool
I wonder if we're seeing a shift.
Someone super chatted that, you know, even Dave Portnoy was supporting Nikki Haley.
And so I just looked and I see Dave Portnoy supporting Nikki Haley.
Yeah.
And the statement was Nikki Haley saying something like, when Israel moves into, invades Gaza, people are going to call for restraint.
But Hamas showed no restraint when they invaded Israel.
And Dave's like, I like Nikki more and more.
I'm wondering if what might happen, and there's a lot of bad things to this, but a lot of good.
Just hear me out.
It will be very bad if we get a fervent, zealous war machine emerging from what we're seeing.
But the potential good is that the anti-war faction, people with a more libertarian streak, become what the left used to be.
So what happens is the modern version of the identity left ceases to exist because of their overt support for terror.
And then what's left is the dominant factions in the culture war become moderate, libertarian-leaning, freedom-folks, anti-establishment, being like, hey, we don't want war, but we agree Hamas is bad.
No identity politics.
Versus, no identity politics, you're right about that, but we want to defend Israel and we want foreign intervention.
ian crossland
And so it reverts back to the old-school left and right of anti-war versus... I'm concerned that it would be an identitarian authoritarian party.
tim pool
No, I'm saying that's dying out.
dinesh d'souza
Tim is saying we might be able to root those guys out and replace them with a new two-party system in which you have sort of a pro-war authoritarian party and a more libertarian anti-war party.
tim pool
I wouldn't say authoritarian.
I think pro-intervention versus anti-intervention.
dinesh d'souza
Yeah.
I mean, we were talking earlier about Trump, and I think part of the ingenuity of Trump is that he was essentially, I don't want to get our country into a war, but I'm not against administering a well-deserved ass-kicking from time to time.
And I think that's where most Americans are.
You know, Americans are like, look, we're not looking for a big ground war here, but on the other hand, there are really bad guys in the world, and we have to figure out ways to teach them a lesson.
amount of cocktail parties and quote negotiations and you know giving them money in pallets
is going to really do the job.
You have to hold them accountable.
tim pool
I disagree.
I mean it wasn't so much an ass kicking, it was the threat of one by a crazy guy and you
know the thing about Donald Trump is that he's got 20 charisma so when he shows up and
he negotiates it actually starts getting things done.
You've got the Abraham Accords, despite the fact, you know, Max Blumenthal said he thought they were bad and they set up the situation we have now.
I'm not so sure I agree, but, you know, he's allowed to have his opinion, he's done a lot of research on the area, though he has his biases.
But what Max did agree with me on, he made a very funny joke, but I'll reserve that for his right to say.
I don't want to steal it from him.
But he said that he was very much impressed and grateful when he saw Trump negotiate with Kim Jong-un and cross the DMZ.
I said the same thing.
I said when I saw Donald Trump cross the demilitarized zone into North Korea with no security detail, I was near tears.
The American president The left will not accept this.
The liberals will not accept this.
Donald Trump risked his life entering an enemy country with their dictator because he wanted peace.
Could you imagine what North Korea could have done?
North Korea famously will snatch South Korean soldiers and pull them in.
Donald Trump willfully crossed over, and there's the famous photo in the video.
He goes up there, he shakes hands, they wave, he walks back.
A tremendous effort towards peace.
Amazing.
Amazing.
dinesh d'souza
Donald Trump was doing... And I bet you that with a conventional State Department bureaucracy, they all begged him not to do it.
ian crossland
Yep.
dinesh d'souza
They probably told him, do not do that.
tim pool
What did the media say?
They said he's becoming friends with evil men and dictators, and it's just like...
Should we just go to war and drop bombs?
Well, the military-industrial complex would love that.
dinesh d'souza
Now, I don't know about Blumenthal, but with regard to the Abraham Accords, in a weird way, you could say that they set up the current conflict, but not in the way I think that is normally meant.
They set up the current conflict in that they produced a fear in Hamas that Israel is now cutting deals.
tim pool
That's what Mac said.
dinesh d'souza
Oh yeah, okay.
And so, what happens is Hamas goes, we can't allow this to happen, so what we need to do is we need to do something really bad Which will then cause Israel to do something in retaliation that will then inflame the entire Muslim world and will crash down the Abrahamic Accords.
So this is not a critique of Trump.
In fact, it is essentially saying kind of what the left thinks.
We have to undo everything that Trump did.
And in a weird way, Hamas is trying to do that also.
tim pool
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As members, you are basically making this machine operate.
It's how we fund everything.
Advertising does play a role, but we're predominantly a member-funded show and company.
And, uh, it's like, it's optional, you know?
It's like the main show, it's always free for you guys, but then we have the special members-only stuff.
So if you want to watch the Uncensored Members Only Show and be a caller, call in and talk to us.
You can also join and become a member.
Those are Monday through Thursday.
But we're going to read your Super Chats now.
Clint Torres wins the first Super Chat impressively at the 740 mark.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So we click.
Craig's stream at 740, which gives a 20-minute buffer for the link to exist, and Clint, you've got the record.
serge du preez
Nailed it.
tim pool
He says, howdy people!
Ian, happy to hear about your spiritual journey.
Might I recommend Bible in a Year podcast?
Tim, the podcast host father Mike Schmitz would be an awesome guest for y'all's religious debate.
ian crossland
Thank you.
Bible into your pockets.
tim pool
I don't think we're doing a religious debate.
I think it's Seamus, it's Fresh, it's Ian, and it's going to be a conversation around religious ideas.
I think we're really fascinating.
ian crossland
I've been going live on Twitter.
I'm probably not going to be on later tonight, but it's been really great.
I was on for five hours last night.
We had like 2,000 people came through and 20 speakers or something.
It was great.
tim pool
We also, I will say, the music setup for Friday Night Music is here, and we're getting ready for that to exist, which means we're gonna actually have musical guests, and then Friday nights... It's not just like, you know, back in the early days, we'd play music, we would just jam a couple songs on the acoustic guitar.
No, we're actually planning on asking, like, booking musicians, like...
Hiring them being like hey, we'll pay you X you've come on and then some people will just be guests on the show if
they're More politically minded and then we'll jam and play songs
do the song we're actually talking about We'll pay him like a rate to come and play a studio band
ian crossland
that can cover like any song would be so great because then we
tim pool
Just do all sorts of covers you do a cover and then you instantly lose all monetization on the show
dinesh d'souza
Guys, you have not been listening to your own comments about AI.
You don't need to hire any musicians.
You don't need any bands.
You don't need to pay anybody.
tim pool
You can just generate it all.
Just stand there and move your hand like you're strumming and your mouth just, on camera, it looks like a clock.
dinesh d'souza
In fact, you could be singing.
tim pool
Well, I do.
I would just do it, but we could get Bucko or, you know, maybe RB3.
Rb3, he's looking healthy.
Rb3 is big.
He's bigger than Roberto Jr.
Yeah, it's Roberto Beaks III.
carter banks
Okay, I was like, who's Rb3?
tim pool
Rb3!
He's the new dude.
He's a handsome rooster.
All right.
Based Jew says, donate this to the Timcast X Miami Breakeven Fund.
So I'll mention that a lot of people super chatted saying they didn't realize that... Oh, did you see the other one down there?
Which one?
serge du preez
The other one, the guy that mentioned... I forgot where it was, but it was probably towards the bottom.
tim pool
Right, there's a bunch of people, I don't know which one you're referring to, but there's a bunch of people who are saying like they didn't realize that the stream on YouTube was being ripped and taken from our website.
And so, and they're super chatting.
The general concept is, it is very, very difficult to do live events.
It is a tremendous amount of stress on everyone.
It makes people have to work extra hours and work double weekends.
So it's basically Monday through Friday is work.
Then first thing Saturday and Sunday you have to work.
Then Monday through Friday is the week of the event with non-stop work.
24, 16 hours a day because you are in a different city and you have to be working all the time.
Then Friday, it's another 16 hours.
Then Saturday is tear down and travel.
And then Sunday is return home.
And then Monday is work again.
So that's two weekends.
It is three straight weeks of nonstop work to do an event.
What we're looking at now is for, we're looking at Pittsburgh.
This is because Pittsburgh's so close, it's only about two and a half to three hours away from us.
We could literally just send out a crew Friday morning, everything's set up by a production company, and then we drive in that one day, and it makes it one day, and then that Saturday we're back and everything.
It's a lot easier to do.
Flying out requires us to build up a temporary studio in the city, and it's a nightmarishly stressful thing.
So the issue was someone went on, and this is funny, this is not a, this was not, my understanding is that it was not a new member, this was someone who was actually donating a larger sum of money, ripped the show and published it on YouTube for free, spiking it basically, because we were trying to do like, hey, become a member to watch this, it costs a lot of money, it's a lot of work, and we sacrificed a lot for it.
And then they basically spiked the show.
And the issue is, it's not so much about the money, it's about if we are not making it work, and we are losing money from it, I can't justify the level of stress on the crew and the people involved and I've already got some pushback saying we shouldn't I don't know if we should we should keep doing this maybe we'll just do it once a year or something whereas I'm trying to be like how do we make it once a month?
How do we do smaller events on the east coast we can drive to so we have once a month a lot easier and I'm already getting like hey man you probably shouldn't like there's nothing we can do to stop people from ripping the show and taking it and we're gonna keep losing money and stressing people out no one's gonna want to do it and so it's like We'll see what we can make happen.
I don't think, to be honest, having, like, more money come in changes the fact that people are stressed out by this, but I gotta be honest, when, after the show, like, right when I got off stage, they're like, oh, by the way, 14,000 people are watching live for free, just basically spiked the whole membership drive thing.
You now have demoralization and people being like, we shouldn't break our backs over this because we just got spiked, and it's like...
Well, okay, but we'll try and figure it out.
The alternative is, do we have to implement DRM on TimCast.com to make, yeah, so it's like if you try and screen grab, it just turns off or something.
And I'm like, that's so crazy, but that's why it exists.
The reality is this, a lot of people were like, you should have made it free, you should have given it away, and it's just like, okay, well then we'd stop doing it.
It's very difficult to do.
We're looking at other ways of making it feasible, and that would be, We're actually looking at like a bigger conference, doing like three days maybe, making bigger venues with multiple shows, because then it becomes something people really want to be at.
Still, the ticket sales are always going to be at that level, because it's just the only way you can do it.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, like $1,000 for a three-day weekend or something like that.
tim pool
Yeah, like it was, I think it was like $150 for Austin, and we lost $20,000 or something doing it.
And then Miami was $175, and we only broke even because Public Square sponsored the show.
Shout out Public Square, you guys rock.
serge du preez
Thanks Mike.
tim pool
Yeah, and so that that sponsorship base basically made it work if not for that it would have been like six figures
lost doing the event and It's it's a difficult thing to do. I like really hard
ian crossland
I like the weekend concept because the one of my favorite parts of the event was meeting people before and after the
show and the Networking and that was that was like four hours on
Saturday in the afternoon if we If we were doing like a daily, we had a conference center.
Saturday?
Like if we did a conference center, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and you could go hang out for six hours on Saturday, have lunch, meet tons of people, see them again Saturday night, see them again Sunday afternoon.
That would be, I think, a really great networking.
tim pool
And so the challenge is, that means... But you'd be a thousand bucks a ticket.
Three weeks straight with no days off.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's not just that, it's 16 hours a day, every day.
Right.
Like, for me, particularly.
And then for everyone else, like, Carter went down and was doing it- Yeah, and back to, like, Tuesday.
Right.
So for him, it was even more.
And then we had to fly out, surge, like, what, twice?
serge du preez
Yeah, twice.
tim pool
Because, like, it's a lot.
If we do Pittsburgh, it's like, you might drive out on Monday and check it out and then drive back.
It's a single-day thing.
serge du preez
It's so much easier.
It'll be a lot easier, yeah?
carter banks
Oh, yeah!
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, it's smart that you guys are disclosing to people how all this stuff works.
We get the same thing with movies.
They're like, Dinesh, you should make 2,000 mules available for free.
unidentified
I'm like, it cost me millions of dollars to make this movie.
dinesh d'souza
I've tapped investors to do that.
I'm not even trying to make them richer with it.
I'm just trying to give them their money back so they'll give it back to me so I can do it again.
tim pool
This is what I'm saying about the left.
narrative over the idea of profit is even prevalent on the right and the libertarian side.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No, no, no. First of all, I'll say this. As capitalists, I reserve the right to become wealthy off of a product I
produce.
That being said, I am ideologically driven.
What I want for these events, like when we lost money on Austin, I was like,
hey, that's cool though, man. We did something really important.
We still need to be able to keep doing it.
So I'm like, break even, you know, like we break even, we're good.
But when someone goes on the website, restreams it on Twitch and YouTube, and then we can't make our money back, you get people being like, why did, like, did we lose a bunch of money on this?
And I'm like, I think we theoretically could have lost between like 100K and a million bucks based on how this ripped us off.
Because like, imagine this, 14,000 people watching, If all 14,000 signed up at 10 bucks a month, you're looking at over a million bucks in the year if they remain members for a year.
Now, the reality is most people would sign up for the month and then cancel right away because they want to watch one event.
That's a $10 ticket.
So you're talking about 140 grand at minimum that could have been made, and all of that money goes right back into our events company that pays the salary and the ongoing costs of running events.
We're trying to make... So we have a company that runs events that we've created.
It has staff, and we're trying to make that company functional.
For now, it is losing money and I'm putting my money into it to get it going.
With the Miami event, thanks to Public Square, we just about broke even.
But understand, that means I worked two extra weekends and I personally got nothing from it.
Other than, the way I describe it is, if I won the lottery and someone said, what would you buy with all that money?
If you could buy anything, what would you buy?
I'd say win the culture war.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
That's it.
So, like, that's it.
The challenge is, like, the physical and mental stress, and then, people notice this, because I went on PBD Saturday, Saturday morning.
Patrick, but David came on, and he did the event with us.
We're entirely grateful.
He stole the show with his great speech, his standing ovation, and they asked if I would do his show.
Absolutely.
Reciprocity.
And fresh and fit, I made a promise I'd be on their show, but you could tell I was dead by the time I was on Fresh and Fit.
ian crossland
Dude, Fresh and Fit's hilarious, because you're like staring off while Luke's giving his intro, thinking about Baldur's Gate, probably.
I was like, he's thinking about Baldur's Gate right now.
tim pool
No, my brain was going...
I was like after two weeks of non-stop work and sign this paper and sign this paper and this one got rejected now way to get multiple forms notarized to be able to do it like the Florida government and making us do tax stuff by the time I'm there I'm just like I'm just like seeing weird shapes and there's like you know I'm just hallucinating there's so much that goes into it and you guys know if you pay money towards it gets better and then it gets cooler and you can meet us and stuff and blah blah blah it just gets better it's the only thing that happens We'll read some more.
We got Andrew Lingnell says, I think you inspired Meet Kevin to do a TimCast-style YouTube live channel.
Must have been all these superchats giving him a good impression.
He ain't TimCast, though.
I mean, everybody's doing a live stream, though.
I do think it's funny when I meet people and they're like, hey, I'm doing a new live show, but don't worry, it's not at 8pm.
And I'm like, bro, there's a million live streams.
But there's a lot of people, I guess, are worried.
When we first started the show, Crowder was doing Thursday night live streams, and it was painfully obvious.
We'd get like, you know, 50,000, 50,000, 50,000, 37,000, 50,000.
And it was like, when Crowder came on, a large portion went to watch Crowder instead.
When Crowder switched to morning shows, we get a consistent spike in viewership.
So I think a lot of people are just like, what's the point of launching a live show at the same time as IRL, when it's just like, people are going to leave my show to watch that.
But you just got to do your thing.
You don't gotta, like, look.
Tucker Carlson goes on at the same time.
Wait, he used to be on at the same time as us.
It is what it is.
Some people choose to watch it, they don't.
Alright, here we go.
Fix Bayonet says, 2000 meals was awesome.
Will you look into Obama's chef?
Buck buck for Miami.
dinesh d'souza
I mean this is a case where... I mean for a while there we were getting the kind of Clinton body count of all the people mysteriously dropping dead who had some questionable association with the Clintons and now with Obama we've got these... and I haven't really looked very closely at all this but there's been a guy on social media who keeps releasing documents, police reports and things Basically, making the thing seem really pretty fishy and leaving the idea that the Obamas might have had something to do with this.
Now, I will say, I do think Obama is, to this day, the most protected man in America.
Even more than Biden.
Because even with Biden, you get the impression that the left is sort of... their view on him is, listen, as long as you're willing to sit in the canoe and do your part, we'll row the boat for you.
But there's a little bit of a conditionality there.
If things get out of hand and if somehow there's a smoking gun and you got the Chinese money going right, it says Joe Biden on the check, you know, we're out of here.
But with Obama, it's almost like, no, we have a pact.
We will protect you no matter what.
You're America's first black president.
We cannot.
So the level of protection of that guy is unbelievable.
tim pool
Ugly Truth says, Hamas fighting Israel is like throwing a rock at a tank.
This was their only way to make a statement.
Wow!
So they went and killed civilians and kidnapped them to make a statement.
The funny thing is, I already stated this, if Hamas broke the fence down, Landed with paragliders in the music festival, rounded up all the civilians and said, everyone, make it back to your cars now before the conflict starts.
We don't want civilians here.
There's a military operation.
Go, go, go, go, go.
And started fanning people to their cars and all the civilians drove out and left.
They went to the porta-potties and knocked and said, a military operation is underway.
We need civilians to leave now, now, now.
Went to the kibbutzes and says, everyone remain calm.
Stay in your homes.
We're not going to be entering your homes.
That's sending a message.
Paragliding in and ushering civilians out and asserting military control over an area without harming anybody is a message.
Killing civilians is... You call that a message?
They're basically saying, we want to lose this conflict and we want everyone to hate our guts.
Israel's message is, we will minimize civilian casualties, but we must target these military bases and these weapons depots.
ian crossland
I don't think that they have a minimize civilian casualty Israel outright says... I'm not saying that they follow it.
tim pool
I'm saying Israel's PR strategy is to, in every way, say we seek to minimize civilian casualties.
Hamas's strategy is to outright parade videos of them holding children hostages.
Like...
It's just that.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, I think for the Israelis it's not only the moral thing to do, but it's actually the prudent thing to do, because there are all these international organizations that are actually waiting to pounce on Israel.
They're just waiting to be able to show that there is a moral equivalence between what the Israelis are doing and what the Hamas guys are doing.
That's the next shoe to drop.
And so the Israelis, to the degree they can, have got to be really careful to say, we are hitting military targets, there might be some civilian casualties, But we're not aiming at the civilians.
ian crossland
They just announced they were going to, for the people of northern Gaza, to evacuate to the south.
And then people were like, please don't start a ground invasion.
The Americans were like, we are officially requesting that you do not start the ground invasion.
The UN's like, do not start a ground invasion right now.
Because I agree, if the Israelis go in there and start massacring women and kids and kids on their bikes, the whole world's going to go to war with them.
tim pool
It's war.
They're going to do it.
ian crossland
Well, then the whole world's going to attack them.
Well, not the whole world, half the world.
tim pool
I- I- It could be World War III.
ian crossland
It's- But- But this- If they go- If they go slaughter a million people, dude, what- That's like Nazi-level stuff.
tim pool
What- What doesn't- Here's what doesn't matter, right?
Israel knows who their allies are, and they need only convince moderate-leaning allied nations.
Russia is not going to align itself with Israel.
Iran is not going to align itself with Israel.
If Hamas went in and- Hamas literally went and killed civilians, and Iran is still defending Palestine.
It doesn't matter.
If Israel goes in and starts- Israel right now is bombing Gaza.
And the West will still defend Israel, and Eastern nations will still defend the Palestinians in Gaza.
ian crossland
My concern is I don't think you can defend against drone swarms and nuclear weapons.
You can kind of blow them up in the sky, but it's one of those things where the attackers are the ones that are going to win.
The defenders are all going to get destroyed.
Maybe it's hyperbolic, but it's like a war where only offense, offense, offense, offense.
dinesh d'souza
I was just going to say that I think the reason that Netanyahu was very careful to sort of insist that this is a declaration of war is because when you declare war, you remove the old logic
of proportionality.
The logic of proportionality is, your tribe came over to my tribe and killed 10 people,
so I'm only allowed now to come to your tribe and kill 10 people.
I can't come and kill 100 people because that's disproportionate to what you did.
Right? But think of the Pearl Harbor example.
The Japanese attack us in Pearl Harbor.
We didn't say, OK, well, there were 8000 people killed at Pearl Harbor.
We're going to make sure we kill 8000, but no more than 8000 Japanese.
We were like, OK, you did this.
It's an act of war.
And now all bets are off.
That's kind of what the Israelis are saying.
tim pool
Let's read this one from TakeVideo, he says, Tim plays Civilization peacefully on Prince difficulty, but on Immortal or Deity, or in PvP, you would lose without violence.
I don't know if this reflects real life.
Incorrect, but close.
I play on King difficulty.
Whenever I play games, like even Baldur's Gate, I always just play the middle.
And so, I actually, I was like, Prince difficulty, it's been a long time since I played Civ 2.
But no, like, King was the middle of the road, like, normalized one.
I'm pretty sure.
And then the rest were like easy to hard, but immortal or deity, I think you are correct.
But those are like overly aggressive where they give military bonuses to the AI and stuff like that.
PvP you're correct about.
But when I play Civilization, I didn't say that I was just peacefully minding my own business, for the most part.
What I said was, I would focus on developing my country's technology to become superior, and then anyone who came at me would get stamped out or crushed immediately, but I was never the aggressor.
It was always like, I'm minding my own business, leave me the eff alone.
And then as soon as I tried to attack, I just... And then one thing I really loved doing...
Was if I was playing peacefully in Mining Mound Business and Civilization 2, and then for some reason, just like an opposing nation decided to just come down on me, I would just cheat, give myself one nuke, and then blow up one of their cities and be like, back to Mining Mound Business.
I am God here.
Don't you come at me, France!
ian crossland
I have found that on the hardest difficulty, you have to go to war in that game.
tim pool
Often.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, you don't get a choice.
I mean, it's an amazing video game.
When you have a nation and another country says, in the more modern, the later civils, I think, what, Civ VI?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
I think I played V. I don't know if I played VI.
But if you have uranium in your country, and oil, and other countries don't, you have nukes and they don't.
They are going to send a ground invasion to try and take that uranium from you.
unidentified
You're at war, whether you want to be or not.
tim pool
Alright, where we at?
Zyphos says, the 2003 East Coast power outage was an accident from a fighter jet equipped with a weapon to shut down grids.
All our enemies know this.
Is that true?
I never heard that.
serge du preez
That's a new one.
tim pool
Yeah.
serge du preez
Never heard that one before.
tim pool
Let's read some more then.
I don't know if somebody... Weston Kramer says, the people who voted for these policies in the cities are like the peasant in Monty Python.
Help, help, I'm being oppressed.
It was repressed.
Help, help, I'm being repressed.
That was really, really funny.
That was one of the best scenes ever.
He's like, where's your king?
And they're like, we don't have a king.
We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune or something like that.
serge du preez
They're so ahead of their time, you don't even realize it's 50 years later.
tim pool
No, he's like, I am your king.
And they're like, I don't remember voting for you.
He's like, we don't vote for a king!
He's like, the lady in the lake gave me a sword and declared that I, King Arthur, and I was like, a lady?
What did he say, like a woman distributing swords is no basis for a system of governance?
serge du preez
Yeah, for a system of governance, yeah, it's so good.
dinesh d'souza
My favorite was, name one thing that the Romans gave us!
unidentified
That's a long pause.
Roads.
Apart from roads, name one thing that the Romans gave us!
dinesh d'souza
Laws.
unidentified
Apart from roads and laws!
tim pool
It's really amazing how great they were and where they are today.
South Park is doing a special where they race and gender swapped the main characters.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's hilarious.
tim pool
Cartman's a black woman now.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's great.
Is that supposed to be released?
I haven't actually seen it.
carter banks
My sister sent me today.
tim pool
Oh, it's out?
carter banks
Well, she sent me the preview.
serge du preez
Okay, that's what I've seen.
carter banks
I'm not sure when it's coming.
ian crossland
A watery tart was the witch.
Apparently the woman that gave him the sword was a watery tart.
That was the line you were looking for in Monty Python.
tim pool
Alright, AngryMarsupial says, at Gettysburg, breach loaders only figured into the first day when Buford's cavalry held off a 3x force due to fire superiority.
Infantry was issued muzzle loaders on both sides, tactics and numbers won.
Yes, that is true.
Um, I watch- you go to Gettysburg, it's amazing.
Gettysburg is like 40 minutes away from here, and it is just one of- not only is there awesome food there, but there's tons of haunted houses.
carter banks
Oh, nice.
tim pool
Great chocolate- chocolatories, or whatever.
Uh, Gettysburg is a lot of fun.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, go there and learn your history.
We went to a couple little antique stores and they have real cannonballs.
And they have a whole bunch of antique weapons.
dinesh d'souza
I mean, the old quarters where doctors would amputate legs and the blood was seeping through the floors.
I mean, it is very haunting and brings the reality of Gettysburg.
It's amazing.
tim pool
I think the crazy thing is that they had repeaters during the Civil War, but they weren't widespread.
But man, could you imagine being commissioned a repeater?
It's like, I think they loaded through the stock.
Because I went to the antique store and they had a bunch and they like the back opens and you push them in the back and then you lever action.
carter banks
Yeah.
tim pool
Man.
What were those?
What was it?
Henry?
What was the company that did that?
serge du preez
The repeater was, I think, I want to say Colt.
No, was it?
That's a revolver.
tim pool
Yeah, look at that.
ian crossland
First repeating rifle?
Is that what it was?
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
Yeah, I think it's a repeating rifle.
Spencer?
tim pool
It was a Spencer?
ian crossland
Spencer repeating rifle?
tim pool
Was that the first one?
ian crossland
No Winchester?
tim pool
Winchester repeater.
serge du preez
Winchester, yeah.
carter banks
How did I miss that?
tim pool
Yeah, I have a repeater.
ian crossland
He made improvements to the Henry rifle.
tim pool
Oh, right.
Was it the Henry repeater?
ian crossland
I suppose so.
I'm not sure how far back it goes.
serge du preez
I think the improvement Winchester made was the little lever action with the handle like this.
tim pool
Lever action?
What was the Henry then?
serge du preez
I... Pfft.
Beats me, man.
tim pool
You know what?
I really don't like the tube mags.
I like the side load.
Where you push them in.
There's like a spring-loaded little latch and you push them in the side.
Right, right.
Because the tube mag... It's... You can't... So I got a 30-30 repeater and it's like... You can't get the... You can't get it to close.
It's super annoying.
But anyway, we'll grab a couple more Super Chats.
ian crossland
Alright.
tim pool
What do we have?
Brett ain't dead says Terminator epic 2001 a space odyssey life-changing everyone should watch and contemplate man's origins and future truly ahead of its time.
Very cool.
Seriously says science fiction becomes science fact.
And it's probably gonna be cra- more, like, crazier than we even realize.
Jeff Sumner says, big fan of Timcast, love you guys.
Ian, I gotta say, you pray through Jesus to God, the only way to the Father is through the Song.
Read the Bible, start with the Gospel of John.
It was written for the new believers and those who don't know anyway.
Love you, brother.
ian crossland
Oh, thanks, man.
tim pool
I gotta say, watching The Passion was fascinating, because I never watched it until a few months ago, and the politics of the story is what I found truly fascinating.
I mean, for a lot of people I'm sure it's like divine inspiration, you're watching the story of the Christ, but watching the politics of, you know, Rome and the Jewish leaders and the followers of Christ, it's a fascinating political story.
Have you seen it?
You should watch it.
dinesh d'souza
The riveting thing about this is also the historicity.
Only in the last few years has there now been archaeological evidence, medallion evidence,
stones validating not only the Hebrew scriptures but the Christian scriptures.
So, for example, Pontius Pilate.
Until about a few years ago, Pontius Pilate was not believed to be a historical person.
Really?
There was no existing record of anyone named Pontius Pilate in any of the annals of histories that have come down.
And then they dig up a stone, and right on there it says, Pontius Pilate.
The exact words.
And people are like, whoa.
You know, and right now in Israel they're digging up a large pool called the Pool of Siloam.
Now this is the pool where the Jews bathed ritually before walking to the temple.
So think about it, this large pool, which is an Olympic-sized swimming pool basically, Jesus of Nazareth would have had to have bathed in that pool because we know that he went to the temple and walked that exact road.
And this is not, again, a matter of probability.
They debate whether the crucifixion occurred over here or did it occur over there.
All right, but there's certain facts that are coming out to light that are now absolutely indisputable.
Right.
And it's a very eerie experience to be in Jerusalem right now.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
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Dinesh, do you want to shout anything out?
dinesh d'souza
I'd like to just do another plug for the movie, PoliceStateFilm.net.
Go to the theater if you can, October 23rd or 25th, and really fun to see it with like-minded people, just like you were just saying.
Or if you want to watch at home, Friday, October 27th is the virtual premiere, full screening of the film, live Q&A with Dan Bongino and me to follow, and all for the price of a movie ticket.
But the one-stop shop to get tickets, you can't get them from Fandango, go to PoliceStateFilm.net, buy your tickets there.
ian crossland
Carter Banks.
carter banks
We've got a lot of music stuff coming up today.
I put some finishing touches on a secret song.
We will have stuff on Fridays coming soon.
But yeah, follow TimCastSongs on YouTube at TimCastSongsTrashHouseRecords.
If you want to follow me personally, you can follow me at Carter Banks on Twitter and CarterBanks4L on Instagram.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland.
You guys follow me anywhere on the internet at Ian Crossland.
I think I'm gonna go on the Discord later, so I'm gonna meet up with everybody behind the scenes.
Let's get down, let's talk.
Probably about 10.30.
Raymond G. Stanley, I see you out there.
I'll connect with you later, and then I'll be jumping in about 10.30, and I'll probably only be on for a half hour.
I gotta get up early.
tim pool
Which means if you want to yell at Ian, or praise him, become a member at TimCast.com.
The instructions for the Discord are there, and Ian will be hanging out.
ian crossland
See you soon!
serge du preez
Yeah, Carter, I'm excited to hear the music.
I'm also really excited to do the music in general on Fridays.
It's going to be sweet.
You guys are going to like it.
We did all the cameras and the mics and stuff.
We're ready to go.
We just need to wait for the right time, basically.
tim pool
Well, I mean, maybe even next week.
The issue is right now, it's like, we want to do it right, so I want to have a good kickoff and get an actual group to do an acoustic set.
And then we'll figure it out, but I don't think it'll be every weekend.
It'll be when possible.
serge du preez
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
It's not just going to be like me or Ian just jamming, but we want to get like real musicians and artists.
Like, not that we're not, but... We're just not practiced.
ian crossland
We'll practice musicians.
tim pool
I mean, we want to make it a show.
We want it to be like, hey, we have an acoustic performance from Insert Band.
Not just, oh, Tim and Ian are jamming again.
ian crossland
It's getting to the point where we could just go live anytime.
That's awesome.
tim pool
And then what we're going to do is, we're going to put the clips from IRL of the music performances on the TimCast music channel.
serge du preez
Yeah, that'll be sweet.
So, it'll all be there.
Yeah, but I'm Serge.com, pleasure meeting you, Dinesh.
My mom's a big fan.
And I will see you guys on the next one.
tim pool
We will see you all Monday!
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