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Sept. 26, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Judge Orders Trump Organization SHUT DOWN, SHOCKING Corruption w/Carl Benjamin
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tim pool
A judge has ordered Donald Trump to dissolve the Trump organization.
I didn't believe it when I first heard it because this is the most egregious action I think we've seen yet.
It's not just trying to criminally charge him, which is crazy, don't get me wrong, but they're outright saying they are going to shut down this, what, multi-billion dollar real estate company at least?
It's just in New York, so we'll see how this plays out.
Trump is going to appeal.
But man, I don't see it stopping here.
It is not even 2024 yet.
But wait, many of you may be saying, well, what's going to happen?
I mean, Trump's leading in the polls.
He is.
Joe Biden's failing among black and Latino voters.
But now we're learning that the classified document probe into Joe Biden is expanding and Gavin Newsom in the prediction markets is starting to go up.
So Maybe.
I'll be really happy if by next year I'm right that Joe Biden ends up being removed or drops out or something because I'm like crossing my fingers.
I'm like, please don't be wrong because I just cannot see a path for Joe Biden moving forward.
But we're gonna talk about this plus a whole bunch of other stories.
We've got New York.
I think they're... What's New York paying Libya?
Is it a billion dollars?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
A billion dollars.
libby emmons
It's a billion dollars over the next three years to house illegal immigrants.
tim pool
Well, we are going to talk about all that.
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Because joining us, we have a man who tried to warn us 10 years ago.
Carl Benjamin.
carl benjamin
Thank you for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
carl benjamin
What do you do?
I'm the director of Lotuses.com.
Not a very controversial person.
I haven't really had much press attention, so I'm very thankful for this opportunity.
tim pool
That's right!
Absolutely.
carl benjamin
Really appreciate it.
unidentified
I feel like that's you going, I'm shy.
tim pool
So when I first started, after I left Fusion and I started producing YouTube videos, I got tremendous help from Carl, who hit me up and said, you're doing good work.
carl benjamin
Yeah, I love what you do.
tim pool
I appreciate your honesty.
Would you like to make a video for my channel?
And you had hundreds of thousands of subscribers.
I had like none.
And then after I made the video for your channel, it put me over a hundred thousand subs and I got my silver medal.
So I really, I really appreciate it.
carl benjamin
Anytime.
tim pool
Excited to have you here, man.
It's going to be a blast.
And Libby, of course, is here.
I asked her already.
libby emmons
I am already here.
tim pool
Yes.
libby emmons
Yeah.
What did you ask me already?
tim pool
Well, I asked you about the money because it's your post-millennial story.
libby emmons
Well, it is a post-millennial story.
Yeah.
A billion dollars.
I'm good.
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm here representing the post-millennial and humanevents.com.
tim pool
Right on.
Phil is here, of course.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
My name is Phil Labonte, lead singer of All That Remains, very failed musician, anti-communist, and counter-revolutionary.
That's staying.
That is absolutely staying.
unidentified
That's amazing.
tim pool
It's like a title before your name.
Failed musician.
libby emmons
That's brilliant.
tim pool
And you just got a new gold record.
phil labonte
I did.
I was just informed today.
hannah claire brimelow
Classic failed musician.
phil labonte
I was just informed today that another single has gone gold.
I think it's five gold and a platinum.
libby emmons
That's a lot of failure, Phil.
phil labonte
What a loser.
unidentified
Jesus.
phil labonte
Can't believe I'm hanging out with this guy.
I appreciate you coming to the plebs and hanging.
tim pool
That's right.
Hannah Clare's here.
hannah claire brimelow
Hey, I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
I'm grateful to be here with this lack of musical talent.
And of course, our favorite DJ Serge is here too.
unidentified
I am.
Man, I knew you did something in YouTube, Phil.
I just never find a figure on it.
Anyways, let's get started.
tim pool
Keep trying, buddy.
phil labonte
You'll find success, man.
tim pool
All right, let's jump into this first story.
This is absolutely insane.
This is from Messenger Politics.
Donald Trump's New York business empire must be dissolved, Judge Rules.
Legal experts have described the extraordinarily rare order issued by a New York judge aimed at Trump's major businesses as the corporate death penalty.
Crazy!
Look at this.
A New York judge on Tuesday cancelled the certificates of the key businesses behind Donald Trump's empire, ordering a quick timeline to dissolve the Trump Organization and other corporate entities.
Okay, there's so much here.
First, I don't know exactly how Trump runs his businesses, but I have to imagine.
Trump is a New York guy, famously coming in and saving the city and the state, which means I'm assuming his businesses are registered, many of them, in New York, and I would imagine are operating as a foreign corporation in other states.
That's what it's called.
So you file that.
Now, considering how long he's been around, I would not be surprised if the bulk of his business may actually be out of Delaware or Nevada.
We'll see.
But this is This is New York.
Trump has, there's documentaries about how New York was failing and Trump came in and said, I'm going to turn this city around.
And he did.
And he's got, how many buildings does he have in New York?
I mean, official Trump buildings, is there two of them?
libby emmons
Well, he has like a whole thing on the West side.
There's a bunch of Trump towers on the West side.
More than one?
Yeah, well, he's got like a whole enterprise over there.
And then he's also got the Trump Tower, which is right, I want to say it's right near Columbus Circle.
I know that I've been there before.
carl benjamin
I don't know, I got my MAGA hat there in 2017.
libby emmons
Right?
Yeah, that's a good spot for it.
tim pool
That's the Trump International Hotel, I think.
libby emmons
The Trump International, yeah.
And then he also has a Trump Tower on 5th Avenue.
I went to a party in a penthouse there once, it was amazing.
carl benjamin
There's this giant golden Trump building there, I was like, you know what, I think I'm getting the MAGA hat.
And so I just walked in and got it.
libby emmons
It was awesome!
Yeah, it was amazing.
Yeah, I mean, Trump did an awful lot for the city.
He was born there, he was raised there, and these are people who, This is nuts.
determined to take him down, Letitia James, the Attorney General of New York State,
ran her campaign on destroying Donald Trump. So did stupid Alvin Bragg in
Manhattan, who's of course working to destroy Donald Trump.
All of these people, they just hate him so much. This is nuts. It's not, it
doesn't seem to have any real legal basis. Even this judge hates Trump and has said
tim pool
so before. So they're saying that, basically we have this from CNBC, Trump and
company liable for fraud in New York lawsuit, Judge Rules.
This is not even a criminal proceeding.
libby emmons
That's right.
tim pool
This is a civil case and they are so so look at this.
The messenger says 10 corporate entities.
DJT, revocable trust, revocable trust, right?
I'm assuming that has something to do with his personal life, which is likely where he holds certain properties in his personal portfolio or family, not related to, uh, so it depends.
I mean, you never really know.
I mean, you could do a lot of stuff with trust, but I'm, I'm assuming the trust is probably for holding his property, uh, personal stuff.
The Trump organization, the Trump organization, LLC.
Those right there, I mean, that's it.
That's Trump.
The Trump Organization.
This is nuts.
And then they mentioned a bunch of others like DJT Holdings, Managing Member, LLC.
Some of these are, you know, whatever.
401 North Wabash Venture, LLC.
This is basically just a building.
Trump Old Post Office, LLC.
40 Wall Street, LLC.
Basically, when you buy big property, You create a private entity that owns that property.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Okay, if you regular citizen, sir, many of you own homes.
If you own two houses and someone slips and falls in one, they can sue and take both your houses.
Yeah, so Trump has a lot of these corporations that own buildings, and they're canceling them on him.
always makes more sense to start a company. The company owns the property, you own the company,
and that limits liability. Hey, how about that? So this means they're canceling the
libby emmons
business that owns a building? Yeah. So Trump has a lot of these corporations that own buildings
and they're canceling them on him. I wonder what's going to happen to Mar-a-Lago.
tim pool
Well, Mar-a-Lago is Florida.
libby emmons
And Don Jr.
owns it, I believe.
tim pool
Really?
libby emmons
I believe he turned it over to Don Jr.
a good few years ago.
That's my understanding.
hannah claire brimelow
I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't own as much after his term as president, right?
libby emmons
Like maybe Bedminster?
I don't see Bedminster on there.
tim pool
So they say Trump's attorney Alina Haba vowed to appeal the decision, which she called fundamentally flawed at every level.
The fact that this court summarily found that there is no question of fact, finding in part that Mar-a-Lago is worth approximately $20 million, and issue a decision of this magnitude is an affront to our legal system.
We intend to immediately appeal this decision because President Trump and his family, like every American business owner, is entitled to their day in court.
So it was a summary judgment?
libby emmons
That doesn't seem at all reasonable.
tim pool
I mean, okay, I gotta be—I didn't even know that.
That doesn't—this story is breaking.
But hold on, hold on.
They say Judge Arthur N. Guerin canceled New York business advocates for Trump, the Trump Organization, other defendants, including two of his sons.
phil labonte
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
And they dismissed the lawsuit against Ivanka, I think in June.
tim pool
But is this- was this a summary judgment?
Spokes- so this is Attorney General Letitia James, she filed this, and then the judge just banged the gavel- yeah.
And Gordon, granting partial summary judgment to James in the case, found that Trump made false and misleading valuations.
This means Trump didn't even come and argue, the judge just- they file their paperwork, they file their arguments, and the judge goes, nah, done.
phil labonte
Yo, wow.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's really messed up.
phil labonte
If they are, if they're, you know, if they can actually essentially take the property
by a summary judgment, I mean, then obviously that means that no one's property is safe
libby emmons
anymore.
Well, which is of course what Trump's been saying this whole time is that they're, you
know, he's between the essential police and lawfare state and the rest of us.
tim pool
I gotta stop.
This is crazy.
Look at this.
Nguyen also ordered sanctions of $7,500 for five attorneys who represented the Trump defendants for making frivolous and previously rejected arguments in court filings.
This is crazy!
libby emmons
Yeah, you're not allowed to represent Trump.
They're doing that in Georgia too.
I mean, they went for his attorneys.
phil labonte
To call this unprecedented is an understatement of the highest order.
libby emmons
It's an unprecedented understatement.
phil labonte
I mean, it really is.
And again, this, not that I'm trying to get Tim fired up again, but you know, if the government is Taking people's property and stuff, then the government is acting lawlessly.
What recourse do the people have if you can't rely on the law, and where does this head?
I'm not going to say it, but I don't see the off-ramp.
carl benjamin
Well, can I interject here?
I think the framing is wrong, right?
Because this isn't the government.
Because the government implies kind of a neutral entity.
That takes bipartisan consideration of all parties in the country and the people being themselves a kind of non-partisan entity that just exists separate from the state.
It's kind of an archaic way of looking at it.
What you have is a left-wing insurgent movement that has taken over your country and is now
persecuting the former president.
You can't overstate just how over your country is.
It's not just bad, right?
A country is predicated on goodwill between both parties.
You don't have goodwill.
What you have is an active persecution of the former president.
Your country is over, and now what's being settled is who gets to rule over the ruins.
tim pool
Look, I certainly think we have our issues here in the United States, but I think, hey Phil, someone's a little salty about 7076 over here.
unidentified
I was gonna say, I mean, the man who comes from a failed empire himself.
carl benjamin
It'd be easy if that were the case, right?
But I'm very much in the dock that, hey, 1776 was a good thing and Trump should never have had a mugshot.
tim pool
No, I agree, I'm just kidding.
carl benjamin
You're living in a banana republic, and your president's being persecuted.
phil labonte
I've heard Carl say that the United States is actually the total fulfillment of the English common law, of what England was supposed to be before, so I know that he doesn't have the... So it's constitutional republic envy.
unidentified
No, I've become a bit more conservative since then.
carl benjamin
Well, because, I mean, this isn't happening in my country.
phil labonte
No, your government's just going after businesses like Rumble.
carl benjamin
Sure, but that's not my property.
I don't know what to tell you.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I think you're right because Attorney General Letitia James campaigned on being an activist.
carl benjamin
She was open from the beginning.
hannah claire brimelow
She didn't say, I'm going to uphold the law and be a representation of fairness.
She said, we are going to disrupt the system.
We're going to go after Trump.
And she is open about her preferences for left-wing causes.
I mean, there are a lot of organizations that she is specifically persecuting.
carl benjamin
These people are fighting a war against you.
phil labonte
Yes.
carl benjamin
You do understand that they're actively in arms against you with all of the legal mechanisms they can find.
phil labonte
This is a cultural revolution.
carl benjamin
Yeah, it is.
And they're going to extirpate Trump from public life as much as they can.
They're going to take everything from him as much as they can.
And anyone who stands in alliance with him.
I mean, Rudy Giuliani, for me, is crazy.
The fact that, you know, he's got a mugshot too.
That was America's male, wasn't it?
libby emmons
He's the greatest.
carl benjamin
Yeah, he was the guy at 9-11.
libby emmons
Rudy Giuliani.
Not just though.
carl benjamin
He's the guy who ridded New York of crime.
libby emmons
It's before 9-11, he cleaned up the city amazingly well.
carl benjamin
He got rid of the mobs and stuff.
And if Rudy Giuliani can essentially be paraded around in chains like the failed opposition in a Roman civil war, with Donald Trump and everyone else around him, I mean what
kind of country...
tim pool
Failed Roman civil war, tell me more.
carl benjamin
Well I mean, well okay, in a Roman civil war basically the losing party get killed, right?
But that's, well that's, they're on the path to doing that.
They're not going to kill Donald Trump, that's going to ruin him. So he's like old blind Belisarius
begging for pennies outside of Rome.
phil labonte
I don't know that they wouldn't kill him should it look like he's going to win coming November.
carl benjamin
If they could, they would, but they won't.
libby emmons
They might try and kill him before.
I mean, you see, what's her name?
Megyn Kelly was talking about that.
carl benjamin
They're going to do this.
libby emmons
She was saying that she's concerned that people are going to try and assassinate Trump.
carl benjamin
Yeah, I think the time for that has passed.
I think they've got the machine in motion and what they're going to do is just systematically grind down Trump and everyone associated with him.
Everything MAGA, everything protester.
They're going to stigmatise it as terrorism.
tim pool
Which they've been doing already.
I do think it's not just Trump.
I think this is what we see with Russell Brand as well.
It makes no sense to me that they all of a sudden decided to start investigating and caring about what Russell Brand did decades ago.
When at the time they certainly didn't care.
And they've protected much worse.
libby emmons
The thing about Russell Brand though is this was an intentional media takedown.
You had the Times in London.
They started doing this investigation into Russell Brand.
They're the ones who contacted these women.
The women said they were only prepared to come forward after they'd been contacted by press.
They also said that they were only coming forward because they were encouraged to come forward now as a reaction to Brand's newfound success.
They didn't like that.
That's what was published in the Times.
And then you had, right after that, you had NBC start contacting all of the advertisers who sponsored Brand on YouTube, you know, and like on all of his channels.
It was NBC reaching out that got, you know, what, Vivo, Barefoot, or whatever else.
And the Sticker Mule company to say that they were going to disavow Brandon Pullet.
And then after that, the News Movement, which is this company that was founded in 2020, launched last year, is owned by some people who used to work for the Dow Jones and BBC.
They then started going after Rumble's advertisers.
After Rumble said that they backed free speech and backed Russell Brand, this other organization went after their advertisers.
This was a concerted effort.
And of course you had the British government.
tim pool
We do have a story I want to talk about in a bit about Russell Brand, but the reason I bring this up, and I think it's warranted, is because the conversation doesn't stop with Trump.
They are, as you said, Carl, trying to ruin him, but this does not stop with Trump.
Especially right now as we're entering 2024, we know that, what was it, 2018?
I said this last night, with Alex Jones, and then went after Paul Joseph Watson, Alex Jones, Laura Loomer, Donald Trump.
phil labonte
Eventually they will get to Joe Rogan.
tim pool
Absolutely.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Because Joe Rogan has now repeated himself with Patrick Bette David saying that he would vote for Trump over Biden.
I mean, you cannot have this.
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
So there is an effort here.
And I think if you look at Julian Assange as an example of how they deal with this.
Surprise, surprise.
Oh, Russell Brand.
Me too.
All this stuff.
It is a similar theme.
Donald Trump, same thing.
Was it Bergdorf?
libby emmons
Yeah, Bergdorf Goodmans.
tim pool
Yep.
They said that he showed up.
No one noticed.
And they found him liable.
Notice they're not doing criminal charges in New York.
They're finding him liable.
carl benjamin
Why?
tim pool
Because a judge can bang the gavel.
You don't have the same kind of rights.
It is genuinely terrifying.
However, I want to say this to you, Carl.
I think we're winning.
carl benjamin
I don't see it.
unidentified
So when you look at the cultural shifts... I'd love to see the evidence for it.
carl benjamin
Well, so first... How many of their guys are in jail?
tim pool
Why is that the standard by which we determine if we're winning or losing?
carl benjamin
Because you're in a war.
libby emmons
What is the standard?
tim pool
So the standard is economic factors and cultural factors.
And I think if you look at the cultural victories, particularly pronounced ones, you can see the shift in the minds of the people and what confidence of the people will allow.
Right now, Joe Biden is tanking.
He's sinking in the polls.
We're seeing woke corporations get decimated.
We're seeing indie films skyrocket, indie artists skyrocket.
We're seeing a collective of anti-establishment individuals and more people I'm seeing on Twitter, for instance, this doctor I've retweeted who says I was wrong in 2020, I shouldn't have supported Biden.
What many of us experienced, for me in particular, I think in like 2020, when my attitude towards Trump in 2016 was, nah, I can't get out of here with this.
My attitude later on was like, well, I'm not gonna vote for the guy, but I can understand what people are saying about him.
And then in 2020, Carl knows.
But then in 2020, I was like, the agenda he released lays out too many points that I've agreed with, and it would be hypocritical for me to say I would not support that.
So that's pre-2020.
Now we're seeing more people who voted for Biden in 2020 who did not have that revelation now saying, I totally get it, I'm voting for Trump.
I see these things, Bud Light, Target, Disney, Netflix, etc.
unidentified
etc.
libby emmons
We need to add Marriott to that as well.
Marriott.
tim pool
Marriott?
libby emmons
Marriott.
We need to add Marriott to that.
What happened with Marriott?
Marriott was the hotel that cancelled Andy Ngo's talk after Antifa called and harassed them.
So that hotel chain needs the Bud Light treatment.
tim pool
But look at the rise of the parallel economy.
So, at first, you could argue, yes, we're losing because they're debanking people, they're censoring people, and there were attempts to counter this, right?
Parler, and then they destroy Parler.
But then a couple things happen.
Carl, you're back on X!
carl benjamin
Twitter, X. Yeah, but that wasn't because of any goodwill in the establishment.
tim pool
No, of course not.
It's because a powerful individual who views the world more closely to how we view it, in terms of what should or should not be, Took great risk to buy the platform to, in my opinion, pursue his personal goals, but it also had a tremendous effect of bringing back a lot of the people who are Thanos-snapped out of the conversation.
So now you're back on Twitter, aka Axe.
Right.
So you see a move like that.
Rumble, their SPAC deal.
According to the Motley Fool, Chris Pevlovsky, the CEO, is a billionaire.
Okay, I don't know how Chris feels about me saying that, but like the Motley Fool says, here's how many shares he owns at this price.
If that's true, he's a tech billionaire, okay?
And this means when you see the tremendous support that new platforms are getting, and the success of platforms like the Daily Wire, with the failures, this is why I think you see what they're doing in New York.
Is this going to help them?
I don't think it helps in the long run.
I think there are a lot of communist, banality of evil types who will cheer for it no matter what, but I do think there's going to be a lot of regular people who are going to start going like, dude, this is freaking me out, you're scaring me.
I talk to people, touch grass as it were, and I'll say something like, what do you think about, oh I hate Trump, screw that, don't care.
And then, their real attitude, the reason why they hate Trump and want him gone, is they're like, I'm tired of conflict.
I'm tired of the noise.
I'm tired of the fighting.
I want stability.
And guess what?
phil labonte
This doesn't stop with Trump.
tim pool
But the point here is, these people don't realize.
They don't realize, they think, make Trump go away, and they leave us alone.
unidentified
Wrong.
phil labonte
No.
libby emmons
That is wrong, yeah.
tim pool
Very wrong.
But now what I'm hearing, I'm hanging out at the poker tables, and there is this Lib guy, and I'm talking to a guy in front of me who's like a fan, this guy chimes in when we're talking about Trump, and he goes, look, hey, I hate Trump, but You know, they shouldn't be doing these suits to get him off the ballot.
That's crazy.
And I'm like, right, what's going to happen is these regular people who are begging for normalcy are now realizing the things they're doing with shutting down the Trump Organization, prosecuting him, is the conflict.
And Trump is the solution.
libby emmons
We have the situation where you have the people who are in power distinctly not listening to the constituents at all on any topic on any area of of governance whatsoever.
So I think that's what we're seeing, too, is we're seeing normal people be like, these
lawsuits are bogus.
You know, mutilating kids is bogus.
We don't want any of that.
Opening the borders and destroying our national sovereignty, that's a terrible idea.
You know, you're seeing all of this stuff.
And the more constituents speak out, which they are doing, you know, we see the polling,
we see all of this stuff, we see people speaking out against it.
And the ruling class doesn't care at all.
You know, they're so used to just shoving their elitist opinions down our throats.
And I say this as a, you know, recovering elitist.
They, like, they're shoving this all down our throats and we're just supposed to take it.
And people don't want to take it anymore.
But I do, I do wonder if we're actually winning.
Like, it feels a lot, feels a lot like being destroyed.
tim pool
I think you have to be careful of, listen, Trump is ahead in the polls.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Trump is ahead in the prediction markets.
libby emmons
But don't you think they're going to take him out?
unidentified
Don't you think they're going to find a way to like... That's why they're doing all of this.
tim pool
It's desperation.
So let's do this.
libby emmons
I mean desperate crazy girls who kill you still kill you.
tim pool
All right, let me pull up this story from the post-millennial.
Biden's approval rating among black Americans down 17 points according to NBC.
In fact, it's so bad that Washington Post downplayed their own polls, two of them, that showed Trump winning by 10 points.
10 points!
CNN had a segment where they said, There were two polls, one said 10 and one said 9.
phil labonte
I heard one, go ahead, sorry.
tim pool
So, I don't know how it works necessarily, but they have two different polls of, you know, and that's what gets released to FiveThirtyEight, or that's what FiveThirtyEight tracks.
And so, you have Biden losing, CNN running a segment where they say outright, in the 2020 cycle, we never saw Trump poll this well against Biden at all.
In aggregate, Trump is beating Joe Biden.
I'm imagining these people in New York, this judge, why would he bang the gavel to destroy the Trump organizations?
He's crying.
He's in his room, heart beating, racing, going, am I on the wrong side of history?
I can't lose.
We can't lose.
Bang the gavel in violation of their of their of what they once believed or whatever they thought they believed.
Arresting Donald Trump, arresting his lawyers, fining his lawyers.
This reeks of someone crying.
And frantic panic!
carl benjamin
All tyranny is a confession of weakness.
But these people think they're fighting Nazis.
They think they're saving the world from fascism.
libby emmons
But the problem is that the Nazis are the ones being honoured in Canadian Parliament by the Prime Minister.
carl benjamin
That's a problem for us.
libby emmons
It should be a problem for them.
And then he says we have to watch out for Russian disinformation.
tim pool
I don't think these people truly believe they're fighting Nazis.
I believe they say that.
carl benjamin
I think they really believe it.
tim pool
I think some of them might, but I imagine a lot of these people Uh, when, when you talk to, uh, I've talked to high-profile celebrities, musicians, rock stars, actors, etc., and I'm sure you guys have your experience with them as well, where they say things like, look, man, I can't, I can't be involved, I'll be destroyed.
There, there are likely, in my opinion, high-profile individuals in law enforcement and the judiciary who thought to themselves, Oh my God, I can't believe what's happening to my country.
These people have gone crazy, but if I speak up, they'll destroy me.
So I've got to just keep my head down and play along and hope I survive.
But oh, they chose the wrong side.
They chose the despots who are going to lose in this country called the United States.
And now they're thinking to themselves, if Trump wins, it's me.
I have no choice but to do everything in my power to make sure Trump can't do that.
Trump's going to lock people up.
I'm hoping.
I believe there's a strong possibility.
libby emmons
He did it last time.
tim pool
Yeah, but that was different.
That was Trump thinking he could play ball.
And it was not this crazy.
It was weird.
It was wild.
But Trump said, no, we don't do that.
We're not going to do that.
carl benjamin
It seemed like the social norms were still in place.
But now they're clearly off the table.
So, I mean, if Trump does win and doesn't just jail every single one of these people, then you know it's over.
libby emmons
Do you think he would, though?
carl benjamin
I don't think he's got a choice.
hannah claire brimelow
But there are a lot of times that Trump has said that he would do something and he doesn't follow through.
I mean, it's one of his biggest flaws, unfortunately.
phil labonte
But I feel like the reason that Trump behaved the way that he did when he was in office is because he believed that he would be accepted by the establishment.
Remember, the only reason that he ran is because Barack Obama mocked him at the dinner.
That was the last straw.
I truly believe that was the last straw because he wanted to prove that he was worth their respect, that he had earned and was worth being among the elite.
And he thought, once I'm president, they will go ahead and accept me.
And that's the way he behaved.
And even up to right at the very end, when he gave General Milley an award and he gave Fauci an award the day before he left office.
That was because he was looking to placate them.
I assume, I have to assume, that he sees now that there is no route for him to be friendly.
That if he gets back into office, he has to take control and he has to destroy the bureaucracy that's in there.
libby emmons
The point that you're making about how he believed that people would accept him, that has been Trump's fatal flaw his entire life.
hannah claire brimelow
That's Dave Chappelle's joke, that he came out of the house to say they're all corrupt and then went back in.
He's always sort of wanted to return to the elite establishment.
libby emmons
Yeah, he wants that and he's wanted that his whole career.
He was in real estate New York.
None of the other real estate people are like the, you know, the architects or the contractors or anybody.
They always were talking out of two sides of their mouth with him.
And he knew it.
And he hasn't liked it.
carl benjamin
I mean, that is Trump's big problem is the need for approval.
libby emmons
Yeah.
carl benjamin
Because, I mean, if there's one thing that you can say that's good about DeSantis, he's too autistic for approval, right?
tim pool
Well, people have actually, this is a common thread among liberals, saying that Ron DeSantis is quite literally, they believe he genuinely has autism.
carl benjamin
Yeah, I know, that's why I like him.
But it's just not his time at the moment.
I don't know, man.
I think the problem with relying on the great man to take out the organized minority is that the organized minority can lose lots of times and still win, whereas the great man just has to lose once and then it's over.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Well, he already lost twice.
tim pool
I think it's... Sorry, go on.
I was going to say to clarify when I say we're winning.
That's not to say that we own the battlefield.
It means that we have been pushed back, pushed back, and finally now we have routed the advancing force and their ranks are starting to break.
That means on the battlefield, we are in a weakened position, but we have begun a successful advance against this corrupt ideology where if this trend continues, we do win.
carl benjamin
I don't know.
I think they'll find a way of screwing him.
tim pool
Oh, sure, sure, but Trump's not the end-all be-all.
I think Trump is an avatar of the rage felt by people in this country for a long time, and he's absorbing more and more.
He's growing bigger with each and every- I mean, I hope so.
Well, it is.
The fact that, you know, Biden's approval rating among Black Americans going down, at the same time Trump is surging among Black Americans, that is one of the most terrifying statistics to Democrats.
It was, uh, it's been reported several times.
Wall Street Journal recently, in the past couple of years, said if Democrats can't maintain 20 percent, or if, I'm sorry, 80 percent, if at any point the Republicans go past 20 percent Black support, the Democrats cannot win.
carl benjamin
Sure.
tim pool
Period.
carl benjamin
And the argument for Trump has never been stronger, but I'm very concerned about all of the salami slice tactics that they're going to employ.
You know, the ballot harvesting and whatever else it is that they do.
I'm not confident.
hannah claire brimelow
What would make you feel confident though?
Like, what would change to make you feel confident?
I mean... Or is it just a lost cause?
carl benjamin
Voting would have to be done in person with pottery shards.
Right?
That would make me feel confident, right?
I don't... While there are all these other mechanisms, I'm skeptical.
tim pool
I don't think the presidency is the end-all be-all and it's not what matters.
I think what matters is the cultural shift.
carl benjamin
The problem is the presidency has been accruing extra powers and more central authority over the last few decades and so it becomes this kind of totemic influential position that legislates through executive order rather than doing things the way things should be done, right?
libby emmons
George Bush had a certain number of executive orders, Obama had more, Trump had more, and now Biden has the most.
carl benjamin
And Biden was unbelievably aggressive on the first week.
libby emmons
On the first day, he had like 20 or something.
carl benjamin
Yeah, and then he just carried this on, literally doing hundreds of them.
So this is just what happens to old republics, man.
Power centralizes.
They don't last forever.
tim pool
Well, let's clarify.
I'm not saying that the existing structure of the United States is preserved.
I'm saying there will be something new coming from it.
I believe the left are reactionary and it's always interesting how they try to define what reactionary is, right?
The left will say we're reactionaries because it makes no sense.
carl benjamin
The left explicitly claims to be progressive and they are progressive because what they're trying to achieve is communism.
phil labonte
Yes.
carl benjamin
What you're trying to achieve is classical liberalism.
And that's what you had, and that's why you're trapped in this country with people who are at war with you, because they literally are just psychotically obsessed with the end goal of communism, and they find any roadblock worthy of being destroyed, no matter what it is.
tim pool
But a component of what they do is reactionary in that they're trying to rewind the clock.
We talked about this a long time ago.
The United States is one of the first countries with the concept of individual meritocracy based on race, national origin, religion, etc.
And the left is trying to eliminate that.
They're trying to rewind the clock to a time before we had this classical liberal system that allowed individual merit.
carl benjamin
Yes, but the thing is, before and after won't be the individualistic classical liberal republic you're thinking of.
But the left are not trying to go back to what was prior to the United States.
They're trying to get to an idealised future that they think will come afterwards.
tim pool
Technically, I would say overwhelmingly yes, but that's why I say a component is reactionary.
That's why a lot of these words describe only specifics.
carl benjamin
To be honest with you, you guys are the reactionaries here, right?
Because you want the 1776 America.
unidentified
No.
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
I disagree.
carl benjamin
Do you not want the 1776 America?
libby emmons
They had no fever, it was not good.
tim pool
Lack of electricity.
carl benjamin
Politically, technologically, obviously, you want things sort of advanced.
tim pool
No, the answer is no, I don't.
So, it depends on what your definition of progressive is, right?
I think that when you look at where this country was... Well, that's the question, right?
carl benjamin
Well, okay, they talk about, oh, we're progressives.
Progressing where?
To what?
tim pool
So that's why I would say, no, I actually want a changed future, right?
I want, I think that we need to Amend the Constitution to clarify things and make them better.
Now, I understand the political realities of amending the Constitution, opening the door to your enemies coming in to destroy it.
But imagine if there's a culture war, and the Communists are defeated and just totally give up, and they're not a question anymore, and the Constitutional Republican, Republicans or Republicanists, whatever you want to call it, say, hey, how can we amend the Constitution to improve upon it so it doesn't happen again?
For instance, the Second Amendment can be made to include literally any arm, any accessory, quite literally we need to fix things.
But I also want to point out that I don't want to go back to a time pre-women's suffrage.
I don't want to go back to a time when a constitution was written about the rights of men when men were enslaved.
I don't want to go back to any of that.
I want to see the realization of our moral values.
carl benjamin
I wasn't speaking to the literal point of 1776.
tim pool
But this is the point, we're not trying to go back.
carl benjamin
I was talking to the spirit of the thing, because obviously the amendments came afterwards, and obviously they're good.
tim pool
If we're saying reactionaries and go back to the way things were, that's a bad thing.
We don't want to do that.
carl benjamin
No, no.
I'm not saying literally go back in time.
What I'm saying is you're trying to restore the spirit of the American Republic as it was originally conceived.
Because all of the good things that the American Republic was conceived of, all of the Founding Fathers knew would be a consequence of the American Republic.
They just didn't have the political capital to be able to do it right there and now.
tim pool
Right, agreed.
carl benjamin
A lot of the Founding Fathers owned slaves but wanted to abolish slavery and things like this.
And so they knew that this was the path that this would end up being done on.
And so you want to return to that spirit.
But the thing is, the progressives have got a different interpretation of this.
And they say, OK, yeah, well, we want freedom, too.
We want freedom from everything, right?
tim pool
Freedom from hunger.
carl benjamin
Positive freedom.
tim pool
Yeah.
carl benjamin
And so their version of progress, their ideal view of the future, is essentially what you could describe as communism.
It's the freedom from literally everything.
And you're trapped in this country with these lunatics.
Right.
This is half your country that are absolutely fucking batshit that have stigmatized the human body itself as an oppressive thing.
Reality itself is a form of oppression.
And so now what do you do with them?
tim pool
How do you deal with that?
In terms of descriptions of reactionary or otherwise, it's almost pointless because you could make the argument that everyone else is more reactionary.
To what degree?
carl benjamin
Sure, but the question is the moral loading on the terms.
I mean, to be a progressive, to say, well, you want children to be completely liberated from any relationship with their own parents.
That's horrible.
If it makes me a reactionary to say no, children belong to their parents and they should be in love and care for each other, then I'm a reactionary.
tim pool
Right, but we can be dark with it.
I think we're winning.
You want to know another reason why I think we're winning?
Because the left is substantially more likely to abort and sterilize their children, and the right are encouraging people to have families and have kids.
carl benjamin
The problem is they control the schools.
tim pool
But look at what's happening in this country with the cultural shift with parental rights and education.
Look at Loudoun County is literally 30 seconds away from this building.
30 seconds, boom, you're in Loudoun.
If you want to go to where the schools are, you drive a little bit more.
But the parents are showing up and they're saying, hey, we don't want this stuff.
And the laws are getting passed across the board.
Now, there may be conflict between the cult and the free people of the United States.
Don't get me wrong.
But there is a major cultural shift where This is the data that I often cite, because I covered this several years ago.
In the 2000s, several studies showed liberals were having 1.5 kids, conservatives were having 2.05.
Surprise, surprise, 20 years later, you have Pew Research showing slightly more conservative young people.
Only a tiny, tiny bit.
Which is a marked shift because typically each generation is more progressive.
Now you're seeing parental resistance to what these schools are trying to do.
You're seeing more and more people like us watching shows like this and others saying outright no to this education system, advocating homeschooling and pod learning, and actively participating in their school boards.
With that in mind, with the conservative base and the libertarians and the post-liberals knowing they're coming for your kids, they are in trouble because they don't have kids.
The saying goes, socialists don't have kids, they have yours.
But if these families have become apprised of this and have begun to push back and resist, Now it's danger, danger territory for them because they don't have kids!
phil labonte
I really feel like, I understand what you're saying, but I feel like the left wants fewer people, so the fact that... They do want fewer people, that's why they're gluing themselves to the sidewalks.
Exactly, they want significantly, I believe that they probably want around a million or two human beings on earth.
That's really the goal. 500.
500,000?
500 million.
unidentified
They're also doing, like, degrowth.
Oh, was it?
phil labonte
Okay.
libby emmons
They're doing degrowth initiatives.
phil labonte
Exactly, that's exactly where I was going.
Degrowth because they don't believe that the world can support them, but let them.
libby emmons
But the thing about the parents, the one thing about parents, and I've talked to Moms for Liberty about this, and I've talked to other You know, parents rights advocates, parents go to school board meetings, parents talk to teachers, parents like, you know, deal with all of that stuff.
And it doesn't matter that the Department of Justice called them domestic extremists.
It doesn't matter that the FBI sought to investigate parents.
Parents just keep showing up because the stakes for parents are way too high.
You know, once you have a kid, like, you look at your child.
That's not just your future.
I mean, it's their future.
It's your future.
It's the future of, you know, their children.
It's so much more important.
tim pool
The question I have for everyone who listens to this show, do you want your children to live in the pod and eat the bugs?
Yes or no?
carl benjamin
So it's not that it can't be one, I just don't think that, well I'm just going to broadly term it the right, even though that is a deeply inaccurate way of characterising it.
tim pool
I call it freedom faction.
carl benjamin
Oh I like that!
It's the opposition to the left, right?
That really is what we're talking about.
I'm just going to characterize it as the right for the ease of the conversation.
The resistance!
The problem they have is if you were to look at the organizational capacity, the resources, the number of people that the left has active right now all over the place.
It's staggering how much more power the left has than the right, right?
I mean, the parents do have to show up.
But the thing is, there's only so many times they can show up.
There's only so much time they can take off work.
There's only so much money that they could collectively gather together to have a lawsuit against some Soros-funded or whoever-funded billionaire activist organization.
And these people are being paid and will always be paid.
And not only that, treat this like a crusading faith.
And so they get up in the morning desiring to do this.
You're trapped in this country with essentially a bunch of religious termites.
tim pool
But I understand this.
But did you know the founding fathers of the United States thought that we would lose the war for independence?
carl benjamin
Sure.
tim pool
They were saying many of the same things in a similar way.
They were saying we can't possibly win.
You can't go up against the crown, it's impossible.
In fact, I was reading about Lexington and Concord, the shot heard around the world, and the reason this is considered so pivotal for the American Revolution was that Prior to the, uh, to the battles at Lexington and Concord, which were more of just like, like a handful of farmers fighting cops, essentially.
libby emmons
Yeah, basically.
tim pool
No one believed there would ever be arms raised against regulars.
True.
It was just, no.
Because you had the Boston Massacre where they're throwing rocks and stuff, basically a riot.
And then, well, a lot happened.
We'll put it that way.
But this idea that simply because you are up against Goliath means David can't win, I just don't think is correct.
unidentified
I think the issue with... Just a quick thing here.
carl benjamin
No one's coming to save us, right?
You have 16,000 French troops.
That's true.
unidentified
French professional troops.
tim pool
That's why we won.
carl benjamin
These were the best in the world, right?
The French troops at the time were the best in the world.
tim pool
And they were at war.
They were fighting a war against Britain.
They weren't helping us.
carl benjamin
Where did we get that?
phil labonte
There's a lot of veterans in the United States.
tim pool
It's not literal.
carl benjamin
It's not literally, you know, where, where, where, where is the support that's going to come externally from an interested party who actively wants to defeat the left?
phil labonte
It'll be the other way around.
It'd be like UN troops, because I brought this up before.
tim pool
But it's not literal troops.
We're talking figuratively.
Where's the cultural efforts?
carl benjamin
The resources, right?
The resources needed to win whatever war you're in.
If it was on sea, it'd be boats.
If it's on land, it's troops.
But it's cultural war we're fighting here.
And it's a kind of social war that's going on.
Where could the reinforcements come from?
tim pool
I don't know if we need...
libby emmons
We have Gen Z. Gen Z is more conservative.
The kids who are coming up now are more conservative.
They have a much deeper interest in their basic rights and also thinking that all this stuff is trash.
They look at their gay teachers waving flags around and they roll their eyes with disdain.
tim pool
In the analogy of the American Revolution, you're correct.
We only won because of France.
carl benjamin
But just a quick thing.
tim pool
Mostly.
carl benjamin
What's the reading level of Gen Z?
libby emmons
The reading level?
I don't know about that.
My son over the weekend was like, Mom, do you know Hamlet?
I'm reading Hamlet.
And I was like, by all means, go ahead, read Hamlet.
tim pool
Yeah, but you escaped.
libby emmons
Yeah, I escaped in literally December.
And no, I don't homeschool my child.
tim pool
In the direct analogy of the United States, we can point out the U.S.
needed support.
We needed help.
Quebec said, no way, we're not getting involved.
And they would have been the 14th colony.
There were other colonies.
But in this instance, I'm not so sure we actually need that.
If the informed class of people in this country are continually shifting away from the establishment narrative, It's gonna be more V for Vendetta than American Revolution.
carl benjamin
Sure.
tim pool
It's gonna be that scene where the inspector says eventually someone will do something stupid and then it shows the finger man shoot the little girl and then the locals come out and say we just don't care anymore and they got baseball bars and crowbats.
carl benjamin
Pretty sure V dies though, right?
tim pool
Baseball bars and crowbats?
What the?
Baseball bats and crowbars!
carl benjamin
V dies though, right?
tim pool
Yes, but to be honest, V chooses.
carl benjamin
Sure.
tim pool
That was kind of the point.
He was done.
He was tired.
And so he decided to confront.
What's the guy's name?
Oh, the VP.
carl benjamin
I know the guy.
tim pool
Right.
carl benjamin
I can't remember his name.
tim pool
I remember Creedy.
carl benjamin
Yeah.
And I remember it was.
tim pool
No, Prothero was the TV guy.
carl benjamin
Yeah, I remember him.
tim pool
But anyway, V didn't have to.
He confronts, but the point is, it's not about V himself, right?
You can, maybe that's Trump.
You can say Trump is... Could be.
Jeez.
Could be he's our V. I would love to have an AI movie generator just replace V with Trump.
That is like fighting and... You could do that.
libby emmons
That technology exists.
carl benjamin
The right doesn't have the right mindset to win the war.
That's the thing.
Because the right's fighting to be left alone and they're fighting to exterminate.
hannah claire brimelow
But I think the right is starting to see its values played out in other countries.
I mean, I think of like Eastern Europe and Georgia right now.
They're both very pro nationalist, pro natalist countries.
libby emmons
That Argentina guy.
unidentified
Right!
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I think we do see it on an international scale, and so, yes, they want to be left alone, but they are seeing their values echoed other places.
carl benjamin
Yeah, but the problem is, these are all essentially what you can just characterize as, like, the great men of history.
Like, it's one guy, right?
It's one guy who's, like, in Argentina.
I'm gonna do all this stuff.
Okay, maybe you will be, like, an Alexander the Great, and you'll conquer the entire machinery of the Persian Empire.
But if you fail, that thing is just gonna swallow you up.
Right.
And so you're putting a lot on one guy.
They don't have the organizational capacity that the left has.
tim pool
Let me give you another historical reference to a conflict fought over one group trying to be left alone and one group trying to control the other.
That reference is, in American history, it's the Civil War.
carl benjamin
Okay.
tim pool
The Confederacy's initial moves were secession.
Leave us alone, we out.
carl benjamin
And they lost!
tim pool
And then what happened was, the Union said, not gonna happen.
Then, this caused a major freak out among several more states, like Virginia, which were, they were two to one in favor of staying with the Union, until Lincoln was like, nah, actually, we're gonna conscript people and we're gonna go fight to suppress the rebellion.
That triggered four more states to be like, this has to stop.
This is funny, because the Confederacy could have won in the first battle of Bull Run, but they chose not to invade D.C.
After the Confederates won and shocked the North and pushed them back, they said, that's it, gentlemen, we got it, now we'll be left alone.
And they were wrong.
And then, not to say anything, like the Confederacy was predicated upon ridiculous trash ideas.
carl benjamin
Obviously, we don't support the Confederates' ideas, but this is just an example from history of how this works.
And that's the thing.
That I'm really concerned about, because like I just said, the people who want to be left alone, they don't win the wars.
libby emmons
Well, what's interesting, though, is the people who want to be left alone, we are looking at a similar sort of situation with the states' rights fight, because we have a lot of states who are passing laws that are banning, you know, trans stuff, abortion.
It's split, though.
Yeah, who are like making these... Dangerously split.
It's dangerously split, but that's sort of what we're looking at now that abortion is a states' rights issue.
The trans kids stuff is, you know, not elucidated in the Constitution.
Therefore, it's a states' rights issue.
And there's other issues with that regard to education and stuff like that.
So we are seeing things solidify down states' lines.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story.
This is from the Postmillennial.
New York City to pay over $1 billion to house illegal immigrants over the next three years.
Oh, boy.
phil labonte
Enjoy that.
tim pool
Yeah, they say with the migrant crisis and the Big Apple showing no signs of slowing down anytime soon, Mayor Eric Adams has proposed extending the city's contract with the Hotel Association of New York.
The plan to house illegal immigrants until August 2026 is expected to bring the project cost since the crisis began to $1.35 billion.
phil labonte
My manager is having an aneurysm right now.
tim pool
So, people are outraged.
And there's a video from this morning where the police arrest the locals protesting the non-citizens being paid and brought into their homes.
Not literal homes, their neighborhoods, their communities.
libby emmons
Is this Roosevelt Hotel?
tim pool
No, this is Staten Island.
In Staten Island, locals came out and said, stay out of our communities and the police arrested them.
Michael Maus is not wrong about police.
carl benjamin
Oh yeah, he's totally right.
tim pool
Blaine approved it.
Those cops held those cars there as children burned to death.
And they don't... The police aren't on your side.
carl benjamin
They're the servants of the government.
tim pool
They don't know or care.
And look, people misunderstand this.
They think that the idea that a cop would do this... When Michael Malice says that police will commit... There's no crime so egregious that a police officer would not commit it, up until including the execution of children.
What people think he's saying is that cops are smirking and being like, Yes, I will go.
What he's saying is that a cop will be told, don't let these cars leave.
And they go, sure thing boss.
And then they're all roasting alive.
He's like, oh, that's what's happening.
libby emmons
That's what Jordan Peterson talks about with the Nazi officers.
tim pool
And what people are saying now about what's happening in New York and the immigration crisis.
They bring in non-citizens.
They then say, you can be police officers.
Illinois is proposing this.
They then say, how would you like to be a citizen?
All you gotta do is join the military, join the National Guard.
Now you have people with no loyalty to the Constitution or the country being promised personal gain to subjugate anyone who would stand against them.
libby emmons
We already have that.
I mean, you can already earn citizenship if you're an immigrant.
Right, but that's not my point.
My point is- If you do it en masse, we have a really big problem.
tim pool
I understand that.
My point is not that we allow people to become citizens of the military.
That I get.
My point is, if an American citizen is questioned, will you take up arms against your neighbor?
They'll say no, outright.
No one believes that police would do these things because the assumption is the police officers are consciously deciding to harm a child.
The real issue is that the police will follow orders without understanding what the full ramifications are and just do it.
But there still is a problem of American versus American.
But you bring in non-Americans, empower them with law enforcement capabilities and weapons, and they'll say, I literally don't care about you at all.
I'm getting mine.
libby emmons
And there's all of these young men, these young military-age men that we see crossing the border, just wandering on in, not caring at all.
hannah claire brimelow
But the Biden administration will maintain that it's actually families and these poor moms.
libby emmons
Right, even though they're not.
And then also what happens is these young men, in a lot of cases, when you see them with families, these are like cartel-manufactured families.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, they're not related.
libby emmons
You know, they're not actually related, they're not actually involved with one another.
Yeah, I think this is really scary.
The Roosevelt Hotel also has been taken over by the city and is used to house migrants exclusively.
And what's really interesting about that is the Roosevelt Hotel is owned by a Pakistani company.
Jacqueline Toberoff for Human Events uncovered this for us.
It's owned by a Pakistani company that New York City is paying for the privilege of housing migrants in it.
And I'm nervous about a lot of hotels, like going to stay in a hotel in New York.
Who are you going to end up being with?
A bunch of people who are living there, like cooking on hot pots in the rooms and like, what's going on?
carl benjamin
So in Britain, we've been dealing with this for a couple years now.
libby emmons
You guys have a barge, right?
Didn't you guys set up a barge?
carl benjamin
Nope, we've done jack shit.
libby emmons
No, there was a barge.
Rishi Sunak put up a barge.
Oh, it just didn't happen?
carl benjamin
Yeah, nothing happens.
So in Britain, we're paying three billion pounds a year to house the hotels.
And there's a local migrant hotel near our offices, near the Lotus Eaters offices.
And we walk past there every day to go and get our lunch.
And it's full of Africans.
We're just sitting around smoking and drinking with a very suspicious collection of bikes that are tied up.
These bikes are all quite old and rusty looking.
Some of them have got flat tires.
These guys have been in the country six months.
How did you get such a rusty bike in six months?
hannah claire brimelow
You don't think they brought their antique bike collection with them?
carl benjamin
Weird thing, I don't.
But this is costing us money.
And if you go on the website for this particular hotel, it's just booked in perpetuity, the whole thing, right?
So the government will just book out the entire hotel in perpetuity.
So you actually don't have to worry about having to share a room with them or anything.
You're in no danger of that because you're just paying for their holiday.
libby emmons
How lovely.
carl benjamin
In perpetuity.
libby emmons
How lovely.
So are we going to take, we're taking our cues from Britain on this one too.
carl benjamin
Unfortunately, yeah.
libby emmons
Really quite a shame.
carl benjamin
It's really, really annoying, and for some reason our government won't do anything about it.
But again, okay, so coming back to the previous point, what's the right plan?
How are you retaking New York?
libby emmons
Are we going to build a wall?
tim pool
Around New York?
carl benjamin
No, no, but this is the thing.
It comes back to the whole thing.
You can't be asking to be left alone.
phil labonte
They won't leave you alone.
carl benjamin
What's the plan to take New York?
phil labonte
Well, to take New York, I don't know of an immediate plan, but the best thing that I'm aware of right now is to do everything we can to get the The communist influence out of schools right now.
libby emmons
That isn't a soon thing, that's decades.
carl benjamin
California used to be a republican place.
They had a plan and they had the money, they had the resources, they had got the activists, they had the will to drive out their opponents and they've done it and that will never be republican again.
It will always be.
libby emmons
And Texas is gonna fall.
carl benjamin
Yeah, Texas is purple state, man.
And this creeping advance has always been the plan, and they're successful.
So what's the right's plan to roll it back?
How are you taking their castles?
And no one's got a plan, man.
tim pool
Have you played Forbidden West?
libby emmons
We need Grendel.
carl benjamin
No, what we need is billionaires.
What are the right-wing billionaires doing?
tim pool
I completely agree!
libby emmons
Millionaires!
tim pool
Millionaires!
What about the right-wing millionaires?
libby emmons
Here's what they're doing.
carl benjamin
Where's my money?
How much money have you been given?
tim pool
I've been given none.
carl benjamin
Exactly.
tim pool
Neither have I. Well, you know, to be fair, some rich guys did give me, uh, they're cool dudes.
They're, they're, I want to make sure this is clear.
carl benjamin
They give you a handshake and a beer, right?
tim pool
No, I've been given a thousand dollars, uh, uh, maybe five, six, seven years ago.
I got, when I was just a small YouTube channel, when, when you had posted, I was on a hundred thousand subs.
I did have a Patreon, a patron who gave me 500 bucks a month.
carl benjamin
That's amazing.
tim pool
And, uh, uh, almost a billionaire guy.
carl benjamin
Yeah.
tim pool
But, uh, I, I, I will say, There are a handful of dudes that definitely deserve credit for pushing back.
But I will also say, I question this all the time.
How is it that TimCast bought 36 billboards in Times Square last year?
36.
We had what's called the North End Domination, which is the entire North Tower.
On New Year's, we were in the rotation of ads where every, I think, 90 seconds, the whole thing, except for the McDonald's.
carl benjamin
I know, I saw the picture.
I love that you had Luke Rudasky on there.
tim pool
That's right, and Michael Malice.
And because I'm like, this is our push into the cultural spaces.
The total cost, I believe, for two weeks of the North End Domination run with New Years was $250,000.
was $250,000.
We are no, like, that's a lot for us.
And I'm wondering where all of these other powerful people, I'm not even talking about billionaires, millionaires.
They're not doing anything like this.
carl benjamin
Where are the right-wing NGOs that are training activists to have a slate of arguments and instructions in order to go into institutions and start turning them right-wing?
tim pool
I have a question for you.
Have you played the video game Forbidden West?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Horizon Forbidden West?
I have not.
carl benjamin
I haven't even heard of them.
tim pool
Cultural reference, but I'll keep it simple for you.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
Spoiler alert for anybody who hasn't finished the second game that came out several months ago.
The world ends, AI robots go rogue, destroy the planet.
carl benjamin
Thank god.
tim pool
That's game one.
Game two, you're in Silicon Valley, Los Angeles area, uncovering more data.
You discover that there was something, there was a military operation that everybody participated in, everyone.
It was, they were giving everyone weapons and saying, you must fight because we need to buy enough time for our super weapon, which will defeat the AI, the rogue swarm.
And so everybody said, let's go.
A young woman, a hacker, discovered there actually was no superweapon.
The program was actually a terraforming operation that humanity would be killed and everyone would be grinded into paste.
But they needed to make sure that everybody gave their result, gave everything they had.
Because if that 60-year-old man didn't take up and fight back to buy more time, then they would not be able to build the terraforming system which would eventually give humanity a rebirth.
The point was, Many people were without hope and ready to just lay down and give up.
And although they did not believe they could win, they needed to tell everyone, you, we are winning, you will win, do not give up.
Otherwise, all is lost.
So I, my point is this.
I genuinely believe we have begun to make such massive cultural strides.
Victory is genuinely possible.
I think that's true.
I also think it's important to point out, being as honest as I can, we cannot maintain the idea or promote the idea that we've lost already, we can't win, there's no plan, and nothing you do will work, because then what happens?
There was a viral tweet where someone said, no one is trying to solve the problems, they're only trying to get rich enough that the problems don't apply to them anymore.
And when you tell people you've lost and you can't win, then everyone says, well then what am I doing?
carl benjamin
So look, I'm not trying to say that it can't be done.
What I'm saying is, given the way that the war works now, the right is just not equipped to win the war.
That's the problem.
We know exactly how this war can be won because we can see exactly how the left is winning it.
The problem is the right has just got no organisational skills and no defined end goal.
The right should have some clear view of what they want the country to look like.
Because the left absolutely have a clear view.
It's just monstrous.
And they're working to implement this.
And so the right knows, or should know by this point, it needs Billionaire backing, it needs NGOs, it needs an army of bureaucrats, and it needs weird, obsessive people on social media to constantly reinforce every single thing this structure does.
And it needs to start consciously trying to take castles, like institutions of influence, and maintain them, actively gatekeep against left-wing People infiltrating them in return, which is precisely what they do, and make sure that every- like, I mean, look at universities, where something like 95% of professors are left-wing.
Like, that- okay, where's the 95% right-wing ones?
Where are these institutions? The right has already lost almost all ground.
libby emmons
Wait, there's Hillsdale and there's one in Florida.
tim pool
But let me tell you about Charlestown, West Virginia.
West Virginia, the second most Trump-supporting state in the country, where you have signs,
not even in West Virginia, in western Maryland, you have signs that say MAGA, Trump flags everywhere.
You're in West Virginia.
Sure, Jefferson County, which is the eastern panhandle, is still substantially more progressive, with a lot more Democrats and liberals coming from D.C., but it is still majority Trump-supporting.
Charlestown, West Virginia, passed a Pride Month resolution.
And the residents are outraged and furious.
But guess what?
They don't vote.
And so Seamus was here, and there was a large Christian Catholic procession where they protested.
I don't know if it was just this issue.
And I talked to a member of the city council, because there's only a handful, and I said, there were thousands of people protesting in Charlestown that the city passed this resolution for Pride Month, and he said, they don't vote.
libby emmons
Why don't they vote?
tim pool
Because people on the right don't organize.
They don't organize.
This is what we're doing, right?
We're building anti-Times Square.
We're building the public square.
I say that because it sounds awesome, but I've got to talk to public square if they're happy with that.
And the first thing we're doing is we're setting up a coffee shop.
And that should be opening in a few months.
It's getting pushed back because of permitting.
It's hard to do.
And, uh, second floor, Social Club.
TimCast members, you're gonna have a blast.
We're gonna have, you know, like a bar, we're gonna have, you know, card tables, whatever we can legally have, I don't know, we'll see.
We're working on the card tables.
Um, you'll be able to watch movies, hang out, work on projects.
Then we're going to set up Cousin T's Diner.
Terrence Williams, gonna have a- gonna have a pancake restaurant.
We're gonna do Papa Jack's Pizza Shack, family pizza restaurant.
We are going to create this whole strip, which is effectively a parallel Times Square, small town, protecting the generational businesses that have been there.
My goal with Cast Brew Coffee, we're working with Andrew Gruel on a franchise plan, is that we get people who are interested in the mission, here's our plan for infiltration in all of these places.
We set up a coffee shop in strip malls in every major city, wherever people live and they're interested in doing it.
When soccer mom, who doesn't pay attention all that much, is on her way to pick up the kids from soccer practice and says, I need to get me a cold brew.
She types in her little Google map coffee and Casper coffee pops up right next to the target.
She drives in and walks in.
She walks the counter and says, I'll just do a large cold brew.
I was like, you got it.
And as she's waiting, she looking, looking around, there's TVs on the wall playing Steven Crowder.
And she's listening to the conversation from these shows, or Viva Fray, or Trigonometry.
And she's sitting there, she's getting their car, she goes, thank you.
And she looks up and they're saying, here's the video of the Burisma scandal that no one wants you to know about.
Here's Joe Biden saying he did it.
And she goes.
And that is how we get cultural hubs all throughout the country.
carl benjamin
That's a great start, but then think about how far advanced the left are in this war.
tim pool
Yep, absolutely.
carl benjamin
And like I said, I'm not saying we can't win.
I'm just saying it's going to take some actual legwork.
tim pool
And this is what we're doing, but I will add this.
This move we are making with beginning the process by which we can franchise cast brew The left has not done this.
What the left has done is infiltrated existing corporations, and that's powerful.
But there's something more powerful in... They're like the parasite ants.
They don't have the support.
What they have is clever strategy.
They move into West Virginia, claim to be conservative, and then get on school boards and start corrupting and destroying from within.
But most people oppose them.
What we have is patriotism, which means people are actually willing to Work on a project like this because it means something so you're saying like where are the with the ideologues who are like gonna?
You know just just get into the pro like start working on this and just dedicate themselves to winning They're here, and and we've got tons of requests for people who want to open these shops We just need to get it's legal paperwork at all different states.
carl benjamin
That's great.
tim pool
No no great stuff Yeah, but I but here's where I agree with you Tim cast does not have That much money relative to the tens of billions that they have.
But not them.
I'm saying like, I don't want to drag anyone in particular right now.
But there was a meeting in Austin, Texas with billionaires, and almost billionaires, and I was there with some friends, and they were talking about solutions to how do we win the culture war, and the problem was these people, and I mean this in the quite literal and most respectful sense, quite literally I believe many of them are autistic, In that they have a general light sense of autism.
They don't understand social cues, social issues, cultural issues.
Their entire approach was technological and analytical, and they don't understand how you win a culture war.
And so I'm there with some very prominent culture warriors, and we're like, guys, listen, okay?
I said, you want to win the culture war?
Someone needs to just give Michael Malice like $10 million a year and just say like, you are unreached.
carl benjamin
Can you imagine the damage to the left Michael Malice could do with funding?
libby emmons
That is a huge thing though.
I mean money is a huge part of it, you know, because conservatives need to be okay with
losing money in order to win elections and win culture.
And right now conservatives for the most part are not.
You know, they look out at the, you know, whatever their enterprises are and they say
let me just hang on to the money, let me just, you know, break even or whatever.
They're not really aware of the fact that if you're going to win any of this stuff, you have to be fine with losing money.
All of these big leftist organizations lose money constantly.
phil labonte
But the benefit that the left gets... Like, think about BuzzFeed.
libby emmons
BuzzFeed won a Pulitzer on the Steele dossier.
They lost all their money all the time.
phil labonte
But what the left is after, and I truly believe this, is access to power.
So it's proximity is what the payment that they get.
libby emmons
They have all the power.
phil labonte
But that's why they can lose the money.
That's why BuzzFeed can because BuzzFeed doesn't care about the dollars because the only thing money is good for is
Exercising power, right? Nobody wants money just because they have money. Nobody wants dollars for dollars. Nobody
wants pounds for pounds They want money because it it
Facilitates exercising power. So if you can Much money a Burisma spent on Hunter Biden just to get
access to his dad But but the so what what they're doing is essentially they're
foregoing the actual cash like BuzzFeed for goes cash to be in good graces with
people in positions of power and right now the right doesn't have
The only person in a position of power, not in the government, but the only person in a significant position of power that a right-leaning person could go ahead and try to get access to that could help them would be someone like Musk.
Or maybe Joe Rogan.
hannah claire brimelow
I would argue too that there are conservative billionaires, conservative wealthy people who sent their children to liberal elite institutions and then are influenced to not speak out.
I mean, I know personally from when I used to work as a fundraiser, there are a lot of conservatives who are saying, well, but my kids would be so upset if I donated to this or if I did that or the other.
And so you have this family pressure to not do anything.
And I think that is sort of the cowardice we have to shed moving forward.
I think ultimately there are a lot of reasons why people want to hold on to their money, and especially if you lean conservative, you tend to be family-oriented.
So probably you want to pass down your money to your kids.
But if your kids are all voting for Joe Biden, maybe it's not good enough to hand it to them.
Maybe that's not worth the investment.
carl benjamin
That's not a good plan.
You'd be thinking, why has my child become a communist and I'm a Republican?
What have I done wrong?
Who has done this to them?
Surely you want to take revenge on that person?
Surely you want to be like, right, I'm going to make sure that person never works again, right?
How dare you do this to me?
You know, that's what the right should be thinking, but the right is just like, well, I just don't want to rock the boat, leave me alone, leave me alone.
So then the right is going to lose with this attitude.
phil labonte
So what do you think, aside from things that you're doing with Lotus Eaters, like Tim's doing here, what is it that you think the right should be doing?
carl benjamin
Right, the right should be trying to craft policy.
But the problem with that is that you need an affirmative ideological goal in order to be able to craft a suite of policies.
And the problem with not having an affirmative ideological goal is that it really comes down to, ultimately, the right has to have more than just liberalism.
Right?
It has to be more than the government isn't allowed to tax me or take my stuff.
Right?
It has to be what should you do today?
What should you do?
And the problem of liberalism has no answer to that.
Liberalism is an entirely negative doctrine.
And this is why, like, Christianity was considered to be a core part of life for the original classical liberals, because that did have a normative doctrine of action.
phil labonte
And the doctrine of action that the left has is all, any number of, a variety of... It's world format.
Exactly.
It's totally changing the world.
carl benjamin
There's no limit to the scope of what the left need, right?
And so the right needs to be looking at themselves and going, okay, what is it actually that the world should look like?
And really what it should be is safe for children, right?
That should be the watchword of the right.
We're going to make the world safe for children.
Oh, sorry, got some gangsters, eh? No, they're arrested.
Oh, what about human rights? Okay, repeal that. Safe for children.
Oh, there's some people in El Salvador. Oh, 50,000. March, frog march through the street.
Humiliated. Back to, you know, back to back. Heads down. Whipped as they go.
phil labonte
That's really good.
carl benjamin
safe for children humiliation for criminals right this is what the right
should be saying all day every day if you find anything because now suddenly
you have a mandate what are you doing over there oh I'm coming over there
you're fucked I'm getting you safe for children that's a fourth returning
unidentified
that's really good right this is why you put me in charge yeah
like a specific perspective just for a year well I think I think in the spirit
tim pool
of the goodwill of our neighbors across the pond when we look to this culture
war and we seek an ally akin to the French That intervened on our behalf, perhaps it will be the British.
carl benjamin
Maybe, I'd love it if it was the case.
It's not going to be because we are so fucked.
phil labonte
Wouldn't it be cool if we could be like, the British are coming and it wasn't like... Yeah, the British are coming!
carl benjamin
It would be nice, but this has to be the right needs, it's rallying cries.
And I think making the world safe for children is a really great one, because it encompasses literally every aspect of life.
tim pool
Yeah, that's a good one.
carl benjamin
Like, when I was a kid, man, you would just go out.
You would just go out.
You would just go.
And your parents were like, look, get out of the house.
I don't want you around.
Come back when it gets dark or you're hungry, right?
libby emmons
Have you read The Fourth Churning?
No, I haven't.
So this is exactly what it's talking about.
It's talking about how...
Our generation of like, you know, the sort of Gen Xers who grew up kind of nomadic with our parents just having no idea where we are with literal advertisements coming on at 10 p.m.
saying, do you know where your children are?
You know, they had to like remind our parents that they had children.
But it talks about how that generation that grew up like that would grow up to say to the world, let's make it safe for children.
tim pool
Yep.
carl benjamin
That would be nice, because we should be.
That's the thing.
hannah claire brimelow
And how could you argue against it, right?
carl benjamin
Well, exactly.
Who's arguing against it?
tim pool
I can argue against it.
carl benjamin
I can.
But this is how the left have won everything, because they've been like, oh, you're a racist.
I'm not a racist.
You can't argue against that, right?
So we need our own memetics like that.
tim pool
So I disagree with the... I agree with the general idea you're saying, because I understand you and I know what you mean, but we have to be careful to avoid snowplow parenting.
Creating a soft generation of weak kids who are scared of everything.
phil labonte
But he's talking, when he says safe for children, he's saying it should be safe for children to be in the world.
Helicopter parenting means that you're protecting your children constantly.
carl benjamin
And it's a perfectly good distinction to make, but you're exactly right.
It's safe for children to go and explore.
phil labonte
Yeah.
carl benjamin
They're not going to get kidnapped.
They're not going to fall into a gang.
They're not going to get drugged up.
unidentified
They will stub their toe.
phil labonte
It takes fathers that are capable of violence to protect their society in order to make it safe for children.
That means that we need men.
tim pool
We got it.
We got to do a moderately hard segue because I do want to talk about Russell Brand.
So this is a story from Yahoo!
Russell Brand Uncovers Twisted BBC Conspiracy to Collaborate on Big Stories with Other News Outlets.
It's a funny misinterpretation of exactly what Russell Brand is actually saying.
They say in what seems like an awful lot of the classic magician's trick where you direct the audience attention to one hand so you don't see what's happening in the other, Russell Brand hopped on Rumble.
For a new episode of his daily show, Stay Free, and revealed that apparently independent news organizations are secretly collaborating or conspiring to control global news narratives in some of the most important stories in the world.
Gasp!
Surely that is way worse than anything else that may be going on right now.
Here's the point.
The idea that news organizations were colluding with each other on stories was a scandal when it came out.
It was the journal list.
Do you guys remember that?
unidentified
Yeah.
carl benjamin
This came out in like 2011.
This is old news.
tim pool
So the journal list, there was more than one.
Yep.
Journalists at various organizations were on a Facebook list with each other where they were sharing all the stories.
Hence, all the organizations would put out the same stories around the same time.
That's a scandal.
It is corruption.
It's certainly not a free press.
libby emmons
It's old news.
tim pool
What they're now saying in the press is, oh, can you believe it?
So stupid.
It's totally normal they do this.
carl benjamin
Yeah, it's old news.
tim pool
This is my point is, it's the cycle of first, you're crazy.
It's not happening.
carl benjamin
Yeah.
tim pool
Then even if it was happening, it's not even that bad.
Then it's well, a good thing.
It's a good thing.
And now we're at the, it's a good thing that news organizations all collude with each other to control
the narrative.
carl benjamin
I mean, what's the fourth estate even for right now?
Normally it was for keeping the government honest.
tim pool
To make money for Big Pharma.
carl benjamin
Yeah, now it is.
Now it's attacking private citizens.
The NBC article, they tweeted it out, right, going, oh, Russell Brand attacks the British government.
Oh, no, not attacking the British government.
Good!
Good!
I hope it's got a good...
libby emmons
Yeah, I saw that too.
It's like, uh-oh, we better rush in to protect the British government.
unidentified
Exactly.
libby emmons
All these private citizens criticizing.
This massive monolith.
carl benjamin
Yeah, exactly.
The private citizens criticizing the government.
You're an American company.
Aren't you in favor of that?
libby emmons
We're supposed to be criticizing the government.
That's what the president is supposed to do.
tim pool
No, American companies don't like to do it.
Let me ask you as an actual Brit.
Yeah.
Many people have said, you know, because I asked, like, who cares about Russell Brand?
And people are saying that it's front page tabloid news, it's a huge deal in the UK.
carl benjamin
Yeah.
tim pool
Break it down for us what it's like in the UK.
carl benjamin
I mean, it was literally on one particular day, every single paper, whether left wing or right wing, had Russell Brand as a rapist.
tim pool
But why Russell?
Is he really that big in the UK?
carl benjamin
No, not really.
So why?
The thing is, There are a lot of things here, right?
So Russell Brand is famous in the UK, but he's not on TV anymore, right?
He hasn't been on TV for a while.
tim pool
Just reruns.
carl benjamin
Right?
No, no, not even reruns.
Because Russell Brand got really famous in Britain, probably about 20 years ago, something like that, doing a show called Big Brother's Big Mouth, right?
He did a bunch of other stuff, but this was the one that I think is the most notable.
And the thing is, that's not the sort of thing you do reruns on, because it was a commentary on Big Brother, the TV show.
unidentified
Oh, I see.
carl benjamin
So, you know, you wouldn't rerun it.
tim pool
He was just commenting on a reality show?
carl benjamin
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
He was always meant to do podcasting.
carl benjamin
Yeah, he probably was.
This was before podcasting even existed.
hannah claire brimelow
Exactly.
carl benjamin
And to be honest with you, I don't really like having to defend Russell Brand because he is fucking annoying.
He was on and over.
We only had four TV channels and channels 1 through 3 were really boring.
So you're like 17, 18 years old, you go to channel 4, it's Russell Brand, he's so annoying.
He was just insufferable.
But, I have to say, he has changed a lot, you know, he has matured, and actually I've been watching his content recently, and actually it's quite consumable, right?
And so, and possibly because I agree that he's right on the general thrust of his message, which is of course anti-establishment like the rest of us.
And so, good, I'm glad that he's sort of come over to this side.
And there's a distinct advantage that he has here, because in 2015, The left was trying to say, look, we're going to use Russell Brown to reach the youth, you know, the youth, the listening to him, but actually not really so much the youth to listen to him.
It's 40 year old women who are listening to Russell Brown, right?
This is, I mean, look at his messaging.
His messaging is very feminine, but he's got a particular way with women and you can see it in his hands and in his cadence and in the way he gives them his total focus.
libby emmons
And is accessorizing. Right, yeah, he dresses. He really is very femme accessorized. Exactly,
carl benjamin
right. And so, like, but if you think about it, actually the way that the left works,
they use middle-aged white women as kind of stormtroopers.
phil labonte
They do, absolutely.
carl benjamin
They use them really, really aggressively.
libby emmons
The wine moms, that whole thing, yeah.
carl benjamin
Because they're deeply invested in a lot of left-wing presuppositions and axioms.
libby emmons
And these were the feminists.
unidentified
Exactly.
carl benjamin
They've committed their lives to these things.
It's like, look, you know, I'm going to grow old alone and I've had a bunch of abortions and I've got triple-digit body count, right?
hannah claire brimelow
And I have to defend my lifestyle rather than face shame and guilt.
carl benjamin
Exactly.
If you nail me on all of this, then I realise that I've wasted my life and I'm a terrible person.
And Russell Brand speaks to a lot of this sort of slice of the population, and I think, really, they're trying to poison him against them.
And weirdly enough, there are loads of, like, 40-year-old women who are coming out and defending Russell Brand.
hannah claire brimelow
Because they've been a fan of his for a long time!
carl benjamin
They have, absolutely.
And so it's interesting that he has been attacked in this way now, right?
It's now that is the issue.
But to be honest with you, this could have happened at any time.
Because Russell Brand did these things a long time ago.
tim pool
Why is a member of parliament writing letters to various networks?
carl benjamin
That's the point.
And that really is the big question, isn't it?
Because you realise that the left's control is entirely predicated on a kind of magical spell that they cast over you.
tim pool
Yep.
carl benjamin
It's a kind of, it's just words.
That's all they've ever used.
And just the word no would have stopped all of this all the time, right?
Just the word no would have stopped them every hurdle.
But they were of course like, no, oh, you're a racist, you're a big... And you're like, God, no, don't accuse me unreasonably of...
I hope we're all past this, right?
When the left accuses you of anything, it's because they hate you and want to destroy you.
That's the only reason they've ever done it.
tim pool
Just laugh.
carl benjamin
Yeah, exactly.
You just go, well, whatever.
You know, I think you want to molest kids.
libby emmons
But what do you do about the advertising?
What do you do about taking down the companies that do the advertising?
A lot of, like, Rumble exists on advertising revenue.
tim pool
No, it doesn't.
libby emmons
Doesn't it?
tim pool
Rumble right now, I think for the most part, is existing on investment.
libby emmons
Then why is Dan Bongino freaking out?
tim pool
Freaking out?
libby emmons
He's been pretty upset on Twitter about the attacks on Rumble, I think for a good reason.
tim pool
I think Rumble is predicated, a lot of the revenue is likely coming from subscriptions.
When people sign up for locals, that's a big component.
They're operating off a lot of investment.
And how much was Burger King even spending on Rumble with 44 million unique monthly visitors?
phil labonte
Nobody ever.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I just think to scale, to compete with YouTube, you do need the advertised revenue.
tim pool
So, of course, Dan Bongino should defend the company.
It would be the stupidest thing if he came out and said, I don't care about advertisers.
No, he should be like, they're attacking us.
libby emmons
And they also went after X. They also went after Twitter.
They grabbed like 60% of the revenue.
I mean, it does matter that these activists are going to corporations.
tim pool
And our boycotts are working.
libby emmons
And it's that the media companies, rather, are going to these corporations demanding that they retract their advertising from certain sites.
And that seems to be really egregious.
This concept of the good corporate citizen needs to go.
We don't need good corporate citizens, we need good corporations.
tim pool
We give Burger King the Bud Light treatment.
libby emmons
Yeah, we keep boycotting things that I don't buy anyway.
It's really annoying.
carl benjamin
The problem, as I understand it, when the Adpocalypse happened with PewDiePie, I remember reading an article that described how YouTube's advertising model worked.
And it said that there was something like six sort of advertising conglomerates.
So a company will go to this conglomerate and say, I want however much money spent on YouTube.
And they'll be like, right here, we'll get it sorted for you.
And so they have like stables of advertisers.
And one of these apparently threatened to pull from YouTube, and YouTube then collapsed and backed down on everything, right?
Because it's never been a profitable platform.
tim pool
But think about this, and this is true for Elon, and Elon is doing exactly what I advocated for during the first adpocalypse.
If Coca-Cola comes to YouTube and says, look man, we got a bunch of angry emails about PewDiePie saying naughty words, if I was YouTube, I would be like, we've apologized for it, we've told PewDiePie like, hey man, you gotta watch yourself, you can't do this, he said it was an accident, he's very sorry, but I appreciate you bringing it up, that's really great, when can we expect your renewal?
And then when Coke says, no, if you don't implement these changes and do what we want, we pull, I would respond with, Oh, that's too bad.
Pepsi just came to us with a billion dollar offer for ads.
It'd be a shame if there was no advertising for Coca-Cola and it was just all Pepsi.
But, you know, we can arrange that if you like.
carl benjamin
But if Pepsi and Coke both send you an email.
tim pool
Then my response is, so it'd be really unfortunate if the largest millennial and Gen Z social media platform had all of its creators complaining all at once about how their money disappeared and our response is, we're so sorry.
It's Coke and Pepsi who've made the choice not to support you.
What do you think's going to happen to the younger generation When every single one of their celebrity heroes comes out and says, never buy this trash again.
You want to go to war, you will lose.
You need the platforms.
But Elon Musk and Elon Musk now, understanding what YouTube didn't, decided to go to war and say, We will come after you, or they're suing, right?
And he says, by all means, Elon knows X is the water cooler.
And if they want to pull ads, he laughs and says, we provide revenue streams to some of the most influential political commentators in the world.
What do you think's going to happen when, and I'll just, me?
Yo, I post pictures of Trump stroking a chicken and I get 250 million impressions per month.
That means my stupid little posts get scrolled through by people that many times.
Elon knows this and he's smart and so he can go to these advertisers and he can say, What do you think is going to happen if you pull your ads?
And this guy right here, he's a liberal.
He gets a billion views, and he's a fan of ours.
What do you think is going to happen when he tweets out to all of his liberal fans that you guys are betraying the spirit of what we're working on?
Whatever money you think you're going to lose by advertising on our platform with nasty speech, you will lose 100-fold for coming out against us.
carl benjamin
The thing is, they'll make a moral argument that will make it justified and noble for them to lose whatever money you threaten them with them to lose, right?
And so they will come across as the big winners.
And then they've got the entire media machine that will start saying, oh, you know, noble, heroic, international corporation.
Well, they've already done it.
libby emmons
You're saying there's a tipping point, basically.
tim pool
It doesn't matter because when you look at $30 billion lost, Bud Light and Target are being sued right now by apolitical shareholders who are like, why would you do this to my money?
And now you've got hedge funds and investment firms that are being like, we just lost how much percentage of our portfolio for all of our clients and our clients are furious right now.
We can't risk investing.
Sell, sell, sell.
carl benjamin
I hope that logic comes in.
tim pool
Bill Gates steps in and starts buying a bunch of Bud Light.
Probably because he's like, thinking he's going to buy a dip, or he's like, they need a rescue.
They're starting to turn around.
But it comes to this.
At a certain point, you must recognize that you might not have the winning hand, but you have the winning play.
So I haven't made a poker reference in a long time, so I'm going to take the opportunity right now.
You go to a low stakes poker table and no one believes when I say this.
If I get dealt trash cards...
So second best hand in Texas Hold'em, pocket kings, two kings in your hand.
I have gotten people to fold the second best hand simply because I bet $100.
And then they're like, I can't do it.
It doesn't matter if I have an 80% chance to win.
I don't want to lose $100 in one hand and they will fold.
And then I'll flip over seven deuce, the worst garbage hand.
And I'll say, I know I'm going to lose, but I can put pressure on.
Elon Musk can look at these firms, and he can say, I know we don't have near the capital to go up against all of you, but I know you're more scared of me than I am of you.
Here's a better example.
I remember when I was driving as a little kid, my dad's in a Jeep Wrangler, bare bones, steel frame, no bells and whistles.
And some luxury sedan is trying to cut my dad off, and my dad laughs.
And he's like, yeah.
I'll call your bluff, dude.
You're not scratching your luxury sedan on my hunk of junk rusted Jeep, and my dad just carried on ignoring him.
So, this guy's putting pressure on this guy with a really nice car, and my dad's laughing like, you think I care about this hunk of junk?
So my point is this...
Elon Musk might not have the best, most powerful play, but is Coke willing to take- How much economic damage are any of these advertisers willing to sustain?
Because Elon's like, it's my existence, I have no choice.
If you wanna lose 5%, fine, so be it.
But if we do nothing, we cease to exist.
So we will put all of our resources up against you, and you know what?
You might lose 5 billion dollars.
Is the 5 billion worth it to you?
And they're gonna say, I don't want the headache, man.
The left operates off of creating a headache for people.
They call and they say whatever.
So this is what happens.
Because conservatives, libertarians, post-liberals, whatever, are so quick to just back down and say, please leave me alone, the left knows that applying any small amount of pressure results in a victory.
If we counter that and simply say, So we were doing an event, and they started calling the venue, and the venue said, screw off.
We've had a bunch of this happen recently.
My answer is simply, look, guys, we've worked with you for X amount of time, you make money working with us, you've gotten 30 emails, likely all came from the same person.
I assure you, if you cancel, the economic hit you will take will be worse than ignoring 30 emails.
And you know what's happened over the past several years?
They say, we get it, we get it, we're good, don't worry about it.
carl benjamin
The problem with all this is this isn't happening in isolation, because if it was just these things moving on the board, then yeah, you'd be totally right.
But they have a huge international apparatus that's currently moving against our chess pieces.
phil labonte
The international part is key, too.
carl benjamin
I mean, look, it's the British government going after Rumble.
It's states going after Rumble.
tim pool
And Rumble already told, I think, France?
carl benjamin
Yeah, they're already banned in France, right?
But the thing is then you get the European Union, because France is a major player in the European Union, then they're going to start moving against, like, Alt-Tech as well, and they're just going to slowly grind us down because we don't have BlackRock backing us, you know, we don't have the media backing us, we don't have every celebrity backing us.
tim pool
I don't think that matters.
I really think it does matter.
They operate off of complacency.
Yeah, they do, yeah.
And it is a fact that any amount of pressure breaks the mental will of the average person who doesn't want to be involved.
This is what the left operates on.
So, like I was saying earlier, what I've been hearing more and more over the past few years, first, with 2018 into 2020, I'm talking to people and they're saying things like, I want Trump to lose because I am sick of hearing about him.
I want the fighting to stop.
Trump loses.
It didn't stop.
Now these people are saying they won't go away, bring Trump back so we can crush them and finally make it stop.
What people are starting to realize is the promises of the media stopping what they're doing and the government stopping what they're doing, it was never about Trump.
And so now the attitude is, Trump's not even president, Biden's screwing up across the board, we've got war and crisis, and they're continuing the pressure and the conflict.
Why won't it stop?
Trump says, I'll make it stop.
And now people are starting to say, fine, the normie doesn't want to be involved.
And the left used that to their advantage to get them to side with them.
But then after they won, they would not stop.
They kept pushing and pushing and pushing.
carl benjamin
So you're totally right.
The argument for Trump has never been stronger, right?
And it's really great that it's literally not even been four years yet.
It's not really great, but it is the case that it strengthens Trump's argument for himself that Joe Biden has literally demolished this country, demolished the international order.
Demolished America's historic reputation as a world power.
It's genuinely upsetting to me, as a fan and friend of America, to see what this country has degraded to.
And I say that as my own country's falling apart around me as well, right?
It's happening everywhere, and it's part of this sort of international cabal that is doing this, right?
And that's great, and it is nice that the ground has never been more fertile.
But the thing is, like, A disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house, right?
There has to be structure and order.
tim pool
I agree.
carl benjamin
And organisation.
And it's not that we can't win, and I'm telling you we can and we must win, but we need to start thinking about... Right, okay.
Who's going to start doing these things?
Who's going to start actually... We need someone setting up an NGO and recruiting a hundred activists a month.
libby emmons
We do have stuff like that going on.
I mean, if you look at Turning Point Action, you know, if you look at TPUSA, if you look at Public Square, if you look at some of the initiatives with regard to voting in the upcoming election, you have people saying, let's put, like, let's do ballot harvesting on the conservative side.
Let's put ballot boxes in the back of churches.
That stuff all works.
That stuff's all effective.
carl benjamin
We need to do a hundred times more of it.
tim pool
You know how long the American Revolution took?
carl benjamin
Oh, um, 8 years or something?
unidentified
20 years.
carl benjamin
20 years, right.
tim pool
Started, I believe it was 19- I'm sorry, 19- 1764 was the beginning of what we describe as the Revolutionary Period.
And, could you imagine?
1764, and then the first battle started in 1775, and then a year and a month later, the Founding Fathers signed the Declaration of Independence.
So hold on there a minute.
You've got a decade of people being oppressed and beaten down, and nothing.
And then, it's 11 years later, When the regulars come into Boston and say, it's a simplified chain of events, Boston Tea Party, there was the Tea Act or whatever, made it easier for the East India Trading Company.
libby emmons
Stamp Act.
tim pool
Was it the Stamp Act?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The British Crown was trying to essentially bail out the East India Trading Company.
To a certain degree, it's how we view it.
And this made it more difficult for American tea producers to trade.
And they're like, you're bringing in this tea from outside of here when we're trying to trade here.
So they dump it into the ocean.
The Crown then says, you got to pay all that back.
They say, no, we don't.
And they say, then you are in rebellion and we're deploying regulars to Boston to get things under control.
So then the people in Boston said, outside of the city, we're the law.
Then the regulars were like, we're ordered, go take their weapons away.
They are not the law.
And these people said, enough.
And then the first shots were fired.
libby emmons
And there was no ordering.
tim pool
And yet nobody knows exactly.
Who, uh, according to the stories they say, it's not sure who fired the first shot, but I believe it was the Americans who fired on a regular, and may have killed one of them.
It's interesting because what I read- It's entirely possible that we just killed some chameleon.
libby emmons
Wasn't Crispus Attucks the first man killed?
carl benjamin
Yeah, but- But it doesn't matter anymore.
tim pool
But my point is, my point is, it- A lot of people are screaming, 1776, blah blah, and I'm like, dude, the history of the American Revolution is not like a bunch of founding fathers got together, smugly and proudly wrote these brilliant things and said, there must be independence, banged a gavel, delivered to the king, and the king went, oh, harumph, I say!
The king was sending troops to rebellious colonies for a decade before fighting actually broke out!
So what we're looking at right now, with the rise of Public Square, one of the most powerful tools.
carl benjamin
You're making a great point here as well, because it was an awful lot of pamphleteering in coffeehouses that sort of raised consciousness.
And that's really what we're doing here.
Like I said, the war isn't over, and it's not that we've lost.
We just need to know what we need to do to win it.
You know, we need to be serious about the scale of the opposition.
I mean, it literally is something akin to the British Empire that we're staring down here.
libby emmons
It's important to remember that John Adams defended the British soldiers in the Boston Massacre because he believed in due process and those kinds of natural rights and freedoms.
phil labonte
Yeah, I think that's really key.
I feel like a significant problem, talking about schools earlier, that's where the big disconnect is.
We've raised multiple generations of children that do not hold Even the founding principles, they don't even know the founding principles.
They don't know why property rights are important.
They don't know what happens when you take property rights away from a society.
They don't know why the rule of law, like why innocent before, you know, innocent before proven guilty is important.
They don't understand because they haven't been taught.
They've been taught almost exclusively The worst thing that can happen is someone could say something racist.
Someone might understand what you say as being bigoted.
As if the worst thing that's possible, the worst thing that they can imagine is hurting someone's feelings.
And this is a massive, massive problem in our society.
libby emmons
Yeah, I agree with that as well.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I think that's why we had what happened in Canada.
I think people don't understand history, they don't understand the implications of how- You mean the Nazi in parliament?
Nazi in parliament, because they thought, oh, well, he fought Russia and we hate Russia now.
Everything is measured by a modern standard and it leaves, especially the youngest generation, completely lost.
I think your point's completely valid.
I think the right does need to decide what they are objectively building towards.
If you don't have a blueprint for a building, it's going to be very difficult to come up with something.
And ultimately, I think that's why the right is unable to organize, because they don't share a common vision.
And I think, furthermore, that's because we think, oh, we'll just let everyone be on their own, and they'll make their own decisions, and they'll have their own values, and everything will be fine, and we know that's a failing system.
carl benjamin
But I think, Tim, I think you're making a really good point there that I hadn't really thought about, to be honest.
That is a great point.
20-year war, man, and we're in the early stages with the coffee houses pamphleteering right now.
I mean, I don't doubt that the King's men would have gone into a coffee house and taken all the pamphlets and beaten all the people in there who were spreading around that, and we're those guys who are getting whacked with the stick now.
unidentified
And that's fine, but we've got to carry on.
carl benjamin
We've got to keep pamphleteering.
tim pool
Fortunately, for those who are meeting and having conversations to this degree about winning a culture war, building culture, We're not actually having the King's men come into our homes and take from us.
Right.
But we have a third amendment, so we're still protected to a certain degree.
But what we are dealing with is censorship.
And so they are ripping the papers from us and, you know, kicking people out of the public square, as it were.
But I'm grateful that it is not violent conflict.
And I hope that doesn't come to be.
The worrying thing is with things like January 6th and with the 529 far-left attacks on the White House, these things It's worrisome.
Aaron Danielson being shot twice.
That was the name, right?
Aaron Danielson?
carl benjamin
It was.
libby emmons
You mean when Michael Reinhold did it?
tim pool
Shot him twice in the chest.
These are scary things.
And so a lot of people, I will tell you this, the last thing anyone needs right now is real conflict.
What we need right now is, in the truest sense of the Founding Fathers, yo, writing pamphlets.
And using pseudonyms and spreading the ideas and building the sentiment that eventually led to a shatter of confidence in the crown.
And then the people in this country were like, look, we're... The funny thing is, the Declaration of Independence, we say that's the birthdate of this country, despite the fact that it was actually, you could argue, the Treaty of Paris, which was, I think, was 1883?
Was that when it was?
libby emmons
1883, the Treaty of Paris?
I don't remember.
tim pool
Was it Treaty of Paris?
When we were basically like...
Okay, that's fine.
The Crown will stop fighting.
To the American people, the moment we said we were independent, we were.
To the Crown, uh-uh.
carl benjamin
It wasn't until... Yeah, I mean, George said he would never accept it.
hannah claire brimelow
Treaty of Versailles, September 3rd, 1783.
Yeah.
unidentified
17.
tim pool
And that was the official end of the American War for Independence, where the British Crown finally recognized, okay, you're independent.
But to us, we were independent for six years before that.
carl benjamin
Sure.
I think you're totally right.
The modern version of pamphleteering is obviously these podcasts, right?
So, you know, we are all doing great work, but I think we can't be allowed to fall into complacency and think, oh wow, we don't really need to do much else, right?
Because, like, the scope of the problem is huge.
tim pool
And this is the issue that some people are like, we're not winning, we're not winning, and they say it over and over and over again.
Donald Trump said that, you know, the election was stolen, it was stolen, and then people didn't show up to vote in Georgia.
And what should have been an easily won Senate seat for a Republican went to a Democrat, somehow, with all the polling.
And there were interviews done where guys outside were like, what's the point?
They stole it anyway.
And Breonna Woo said she ran Trump's statements as advertisements in Georgia.
I think she said in Georgia.
Or she used his statements as advertisements.
I don't know if it was in Georgia.
Because Trump was suppressing the vote by telling people you are losing.
My point is, We have gained strategic grounds, we have tremendous victories in the culture war, and now we need to, like, when the enemy is breaking ranks, you don't say, alright, that's it everybody, time to pack, and you say charge.
So now, Public Square is one of the most powerful tools, and look, I'm not- I've never even heard of this, what is this?
Public Square is an app where in order to have, it's a list of businesses, and in order to be on it, you have to agree to American values.
You can say, I support free speech, the Constitution, families, things like this.
So Casper Coffee is on Public Square.
We're huge fans.
They're sponsoring our Miami event.
I think they did a SPAC deal, so they went public.
They're tremendously successful, and they're basically creating an anti-Amazon.
They're going to- You download the app.
libby emmons
It's pretty cool.
tim pool
Oh, it's amazing.
Everyone download Public Square.
You download the app, you sign up, you search for businesses in your area.
carl benjamin
Is it only in America?
unidentified
I believe- So far, but they're launching in Canada pretty soon.
tim pool
So check it out.
Well, because what's it going to be?
Is it going to be like traditional British values in the UK?
I think so.
carl benjamin
I mean, the standard would be, do you agree with the values of the Magna Carta?
That's literally where... I mean, this whole thing with Russell Brand is actually a violation of the Magna Carta.
Like, this is literally a textbook violation.
tim pool
Check this out.
Okay.
You pull up the map and it will show you all the businesses in your area that support your values.
carl benjamin
That sounds great.
tim pool
And so this maximizes boycott potential.
So for us in West Virginia, I know a lot of businesses support our values.
They haven't heard of Public Square.
We got to get them to figure it out because we can pull up restaurants and we know that by them being on Public Square, for one, they're probably fans.
So we know we're going to be welcome there, and we know that our money is going to go to someone who is helping their children, who believes in this country, and we keep the money in our parallel economy, and we start to strip the resources from the woke corporations.
unidentified
Let them go.
carl benjamin
No, dude, I'm totally on board.
I think this is brilliant.
libby emmons
I didn't even use the near me thing.
That's clever.
carl benjamin
I had never even heard of this.
hannah claire brimelow
How have I never heard of this?
They've only been around for like a year.
They went public a couple months ago.
carl benjamin
I can't believe that no one's tweeted at me being like, dude, have you heard of this?
This is right up your street.
hannah claire brimelow
But it's probably because it's not available in the UK.
carl benjamin
Maybe, but I think I'm doing a lot of stuff with Americans.
tim pool
So with the Miami event, we're going to be giving out a bunch of, this is the plan, okay?
I'm not organizing the event.
So my understanding is the people, my team who's working on it have set up swag bags
full of samples from all the companies that are on public square.
I'm so excited.
That's great.
Yeah, and they're an official sponsor.
So we're gonna have the CEO, Michael Seifert, he's gonna be coming on IRL, I think the day before.
And then he's gonna be on stage with Hannah Clare and Josie the redhead libertarian
talking about all this stuff.
Yeah, this is gonna be super.
libby emmons
Oh, Michael?
Yeah.
tim pool
Nice.
They are on the flagship in the culture war as far as I'm concerned.
An anti-Amazon and their success is just... This is exactly what I'm talking about.
carl benjamin
Organizational capacity.
That's such a good... The thing is though, you know the left is gonna see this, right?
tim pool
Yes, of course.
carl benjamin
They're going to be like, uh, we don't think so.
tim pool
What can they do?
carl benjamin
Well, they can take you out.
tim pool
All it is is an app that sells jerky and t-shirts and pancake mix.
carl benjamin
They don't need a reason.
tim pool
I agree.
carl benjamin
Exactly right.
So like, there are going to be challenges ahead, but that's a great idea and a great step forward.
tim pool
And it exists.
carl benjamin
And it's really great.
tim pool
It's right there.
Download it.
Uh, download Public Square.
carl benjamin
Yes.
tim pool
That's victory right there.
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phil labonte
That's right.
tim pool
Ha ha ha.
So this is based on the segment I did about the Roman Empire thing.
carl benjamin
Yeah.
tim pool
Women being surprised that men think about the Roman Empire.
But it's because in the article from the Huffington Post, the woman says, you know, a guy said that the Roman Empire offers us lessons, but so does the real housewives.
And I don't think about that all the time.
unidentified
And it's like, What lessons does The Real Housewives offer?
In terms of quality, I'm not really sure that's our best argument here.
tim pool
Are they real housewives, though?
libby emmons
I think they're probably not real housewives, right?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, they're on reality TV, so it's all fake.
tim pool
Like, are they bringing the kids to school and they're making PBJs?
libby emmons
I don't have any idea.
tim pool
Or are they like wine moms sitting around complaining about... They're just wealthy women yelling at each other.
libby emmons
I spend too much time living my actual life to watch that show.
tim pool
It'd be funny if we're just making fun of it because we don't know and it's actually a super based show with women talking about trad wives.
libby emmons
They're actually talking about the Roman Empire.
tim pool
Yeah, we were making that joke earlier that, like, doing a bit where it's a bunch of women sitting around with wine being like, well, Hitler's first mistake was invading Poland, obviously.
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I mean, he didn't have to... I won't make the joke I accidentally made.
tim pool
Come on!
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
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Tim, what are your thoughts on Trump wanting a Glock compared to an American-made firearm?
I mean, locks are reliable and simple, but Trump, he should have gone American.
And I think Springfield Armory, they moved out of Massachusetts because of the wokeness.
He could have absolutely gone for a good Springfield 1911.
phil labonte
I took my first class there at the armory there.
tim pool
That's a bummer, man.
hannah claire brimelow
Smith & Wesson moved out of Connecticut, too.
They're in Knoxville, right?
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
The Springfield Armory dude, Massachusetts, making the guns for the revolution.
carl benjamin
It is frustrating that Trump doesn't telegraph this stuff though, right?
Because like that would have been a signal, you know, hey, I'm paying attention.
I mean, he's 78 or whatever it is.
So, you know, maybe you can't blame him.
tim pool
But he didn't actually buy the gun.
libby emmons
Can't he not?
Because he's under indictment.
tim pool
So someone tweeted that he bought the gun and then they deleted it.
One of his staffers deleted it and then said he was actually just looking.
He didn't actually buy it.
phil labonte
It's got a picture of him on it.
tim pool
He can buy it.
It can't be sold to him.
libby emmons
Oh, I see.
Interesting.
tim pool
It's illegal to sell a firearm to somebody who's under indictment for a crime that has a longer than a year sentence as a potential, which I think is unconstitutional.
libby emmons
It should be, yeah.
tim pool
And there have been several federal courts that have already said it's unconstitutional.
It just hasn't been officially ruled on, I suppose.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Where are we at?
Deadeye22 says, I may not be first, but just wanted to say I found you through Sargon of Akkad, and I found Sargon through Teal Deer.
phil labonte
Oh, wow.
carl benjamin
Deep lore here.
tim pool
Yeah, deep lore.
phil labonte
All right.
tim pool
Matthew Hammond says, what significantly changed in the UK for the better after leaving the EU?
carl benjamin
Well, I think there's a very strong argument that Brexit hasn't really been done.
And the problem that we have is the same problem that Trump had, really, that there is a massive deep state that is entirely almost remain and does not want Brexit to be a success.
And so nothing particular has changed.
But the thing is, as well, shortly after Brexit, there were, of course, Covid and the lockdowns.
So, it's actually kind of hard to extricate what the consequences of one and the other are, because they happen so close together, and there's been such catastrophic damage done to the world economy, generally.
So it's really hard to say, because of what a clusterfuck the whole thing has been.
tim pool
We got, I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, I'm glad I found you during Gamergate.
You helped me find like-minded individuals who respect classical liberalism.
Keep it up at Lotus Eaters.
Cheers.
carl benjamin
Oh, thank you very much.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Kyle H says, love you guys.
I started listening to both Sargon and Tim around 2014.
Definitely a positive voice in my life.
Instead of college, bring back TWIS.
unidentified
LOL.
carl benjamin
That's basically what the podcast is.
We've got a YouTube channel obviously called Podcast Night Seaters.
tim pool
My 2014 content though was just travel stuff.
Doing the travel docs for Vice and then Fusion.
carl benjamin
I really enjoyed those though.
tim pool
Yeah, I was doing a lot of... The live stream stuff that I was doing was massive.
And it's kind of crazy, like the shift.
And I think, you know, what I learned when I started live streaming from Occupy and then traveled around doing all these different streams was that it was a live podcast on the ground.
I was just talking nonstop for like five hours at one point during Occupy, 21 hours straight.
And so people are listening to what is effectively an on the ground podcast of a real world news event.
And then it wasn't until 2017, I was like, oh, I can actually do the same thing on video.
I don't need to be traveling around everywhere.
But more importantly, what happened was I was still traveling around, but became too recognizable.
And so it was a gag to come and harass the stream and make noise and... Same thing happened to Andy Ngo.
Right.
carl benjamin
He used to do a lot of on the ground stuff.
But of course, now he's got like a million followers on Twitter and Antifa will literally hurt him if he goes anywhere.
tim pool
He had a bomb threat at his speech just in Virginia.
carl benjamin
So you can't do it.
tim pool
Alright, Get Off My Lawn says, if Newsom debates with DeSantis, DeSantis will crush him, and Newsom's polling numbers will tank.
I'm not so convinced.
I'm not convinced.
libby emmons
I'm not sold on that either.
tim pool
Newsom is the used car salesman here.
libby emmons
DeSantis is... He's very smarmy, but he's successful with that.
tim pool
Newsom is smarmy, but he has more charisma than DeSantis.
libby emmons
Yeah, well, you know, so does my cat.
I'm more charismatic than DeSantis.
And I like DeSantis because he's got great policies.
His parental rights and education bill was three pages long and it ruined the White House.
It was amazing.
Very good bill.
carl benjamin
But the problem is Newsom's basically like the Californian American psycho, right?
Yeah, he looks like the American Psycho.
tim pool
I know!
It's crazy!
carl benjamin
He looks like there's no humanity behind his eyes at all.
libby emmons
Well, DeSantis said when it got broached in the first place, like a couple months ago or whatever, he was like, sure, I'll bring my hair gel.
carl benjamin
That's pretty good.
unidentified
Which isn't bad.
libby emmons
It's not bad.
carl benjamin
Yeah, that's not bad.
libby emmons
I was like, ooh, hope!
carl benjamin
But a lot of psychos are really good at manipulating people, and that's the problem.
I think that Newsom will be able to beat DeSantis on that sort of charisma battle.
And I say this as a Gen X autist.
I like DeSantis because I see a lot of myself in him.
hannah claire brimelow
He's relatable!
carl benjamin
Yeah, for me, but not for most people.
tim pool
Jason Dixon says, Tim, please shout out the Discord.
Again, we are building culture.
We have a live watch party and interactive member-only shows.
Uh, you guys, if you are not members of TimCast.com, you should become members.
Not only do you get the uncensored show, which is going to be really fun tonight, but you get access to our members-only Discord, where there are watch parties, commentary, aftershows.
Like, after we wrap the members-only, they have their own after-dark show in the members community, and... Yeah.
I'm super excited for this.
We're going to have a physical location!
If you're a member, we will have a physical place where you can come hang out.
And if you're working on music, if you're working on video games, if you're writing a book, if you want to hang out with like-minded people, actually meet people and share ideas and watch movies...
That's the plan, man.
libby emmons
That's what we're building.
unidentified
That is so cool.
libby emmons
That's one thing that I really like about it.
tim pool
Maybe we'll be hanging out.
libby emmons
I will hang out, because I live around here now.
tim pool
That's right.
libby emmons
But one thing I really like is the building of culture.
That's like a huge deal to me, because that's what I miss so much about New York, and that's what I miss so much about the theater community after I kind of got kicked out.
tim pool
I fully expect Feds to try and, like, come and hang out at the club.
unidentified
Oh, they will.
tim pool
Because they, of course, have memberships and they watch.
You know, we've had, like, Enrique Tarrio and stuff on the show.
Yeah.
But, uh, you know, whatever.
They can come hang out.
The point of the club is literally to, like, you know, paint Warhammer figurines or whatever it is you guys do.
carl benjamin
Just to have a scene.
tim pool
Yeah, you need to create a scene.
libby emmons
It's been a long time since there's been a good scene.
Like, you know, I can identify moments in my life, like time periods in my life, where I was part of, like, really fun scenes.
And you look back and you're like, oh, that was so badass.
That was awesome.
And it's just, that's what you're creating is a scene.
tim pool
That's one thing I really like about your show.
We're gonna play Magic the Gathering.
libby emmons
Please.
tim pool
Yeah.
I'll destroy it.
carl benjamin
A monoblack suicide deck, man.
I'm going to ruin you by turn 5.
tim pool
But what format?
carl benjamin
Whichever format you want.
tim pool
We play commander.
carl benjamin
I'll have a cocktail.
unidentified
Can I just have a cocktail?
tim pool
I can't keep track and I find standard to be pretty boring.
carl benjamin
Yeah, it's too fast-paced.
tim pool
Modern's okay, but for the most part, Ian and I, when we do play, it's just commander.
The problem is our decks have become so perfect and powerful It got to the point where Ian and I would roll a d20, and then whoever got the higher number, we'd just shake it back, good game.
Cause like, at one point, it's like, okay, should, uh, monocrypt is banned.
You know, if you get monocrypt and I don't, you won.
So do I, we can't play with it.
Okay.
And then it's like, okay, well that card's gotta be banned too.
And then it's just, we can't do it.
But, uh, sorry, Carl.
No, if we played commander, you would.
carl benjamin
Possibly in commander, but if we play another format, I reckon, okay.
tim pool
See, everybody listening, you're saying like, nerd stuff, but I'm telling you, we're gonna have this club, we're gonna bring Carl out, we're gonna have just like a cool hangout playing Magic the Gathering and ordering pizza.
libby emmons
And if you don't know what that's about, you could just sit and have a cocktail with me and that'd be fine too.
tim pool
Yep, that's right.
Or we'll talk about the Roman Empire.
hannah claire brimelow
If you think they're entertaining while they podcast, they're even more entertaining while playing D&D.
phil labonte
Talking smack.
hannah claire brimelow
Or magic or whatever we're talking about.
tim pool
See, here's the thing.
libby emmons
I've played D&D before and Vampire, I've played those games.
tim pool
D&D is just hanging out, making jokes, and having fun.
I don't- I've only played, I think we played like twice?
hannah claire brimelow
Okay.
tim pool
But I'm- everyone tells me that basically all Dungeons & Dragons basically devolve into lewd humor and people having drinks with their friends.
libby emmons
That sounds- that's why I played, because that was a lot of fun.
That's what we did.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it's like- Whereas Magic's gonna be an intense power struggle between the two of you.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay, I'm excited!
D&D is tremendous fun.
Tremendous fun.
Because people think it's like, you're pretending to be a wizard.
Yeah, kind of, but we did a scenario, I played it like three times, we did a scenario where I just defied the Game Master, Dungeon Master, repeatedly, and so he made me drink, my character drank sour milk, but then I started celebrating the delicious cheese yogurt that he drank.
Just no matter what he said, I was just being a dick.
carl benjamin
You do seem like that kind of player.
phil labonte
Yep, that's right.
The Dungeon Master can ruin your day, though.
Get a smart Dungeon Master.
tim pool
I know, I know!
But it's fun, because you're just making jokes the whole time, everyone's laughing.
carl benjamin
Jokes aside, though, somewhere that people can come out, have drinks, socialize... Play music.
Yeah, play music.
tim pool
I mean, if you can get one... Watch the show live.
unidentified
Without being afraid to tell people what you do for a living.
carl benjamin
That's nice!
That sounds like a great investment, man.
tim pool
Yeah, alright.
Atherin Zala says, Carl, been a fan for a while, miss- I miss you.
This week in stupid segments, they helped me get out of a woke-like phase in my 20s by showing people who had bigger, dumber gripes than me.
Made me realize, is that how stupid I look?
Thanks a bunch.
carl benjamin
Oh, you're welcome.
libby emmons
That's pretty cool.
tim pool
Babyleg Bennett says, ripped to my chicken flock.
Fox got in last night, killed all of them but one.
I'll be getting my revenge tonight though.
Oh, that is brutal.
Chickens are based, man.
libby emmons
How are they gonna get their revenge?
phil labonte
With thermal and a 22.
libby emmons
I gotcha.
tim pool
Whatever is legal in your area.
hannah claire brimelow
Sorry to contact you, Phil, to ask.
tim pool
But we have a flag downstairs.
We sell a flag, and it's styled like the Gadsden flag, yellow.
And it's a rooster spreading his wings that says, stand your ground.
libby emmons
Oh, I like that.
tim pool
And the rattlesnake was, don't trot on me.
It was a symbol of, if you step on me, I will bite you.
And the rooster is the symbol of, I love this.
Roosters will sacrifice themselves to save their hens.
And so I take issue with those using the word chickens synonymously with cowardice.
And anybody who has chickens knows this.
Roosters are, like, they're wild.
carl benjamin
Maniacs.
tim pool
Yeah, they're not scared.
Like, they might be scared, but they will strike.
So I remember I walked in the coop and Roberto jump kicked me.
I'm massive compared to him, and he's just like, get away from my girls.
phil labonte
They're just so stupid.
tim pool
They're dumb, they're dumb, but... It's kind of adorable, though.
It's an issue of vigilance, and it's... I love dogs.
Dogs represent loyalty better than anything else.
The story of Hachiko the dog, you know the story?
Japanese professor used to walk to the train every day with his dog, would go to school, would go teach at university.
When the train came back, Hachiko would wait for him and they'd walk back together.
One day, the professor was at the university, had a stroke, and died.
Hachiko waited for 10 years until he died.
It's more complicated than that.
They tried to remove Hachiko.
He'd break out, run back, and wait.
So they built a statue in his honor.
Dogs represent loyalty, and that is truly an amazing thing, you know?
Chickens represent, like, how would you describe it when a soldier willing to charge headfirst into the battlefield, knowing a firefighter running into a fire to save the children, a fox will be approaching a flock and the rooster will charge full speed Knowing he'll die, but the girls get away.
carl benjamin
There's a military term for that called the forlorn hope.
The first into the breach in the walls.
unidentified
That's right.
carl benjamin
You know you're dead, right?
unidentified
Like the beaches at Normandy.
carl benjamin
Historically, there was a military term for it called the forlorn hope.
You had to go in and you were going to die, man.
But you did anyway.
libby emmons
Like all the guys hanging out in the keep when Grendel comes in.
carl benjamin
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
And so you get a rooster like Roberto, little guy, and he's like willing to go to war with a fully grown adult human male.
I'm like, I respect it.
I respect it.
I'll kick you away, but I respect it.
But yeah, we have that flag because I love that representation of you have to stand up for what you believe in.
libby emmons
There's chickens all in my backyard.
They're not even mine.
unidentified
What?
libby emmons
They just, they escape from next door and they just run all around.
tim pool
It's great, right?
hannah claire brimelow
And I'm like, look at that.
libby emmons
I don't care.
Like there's that, there's a groundhog, there's a bunch of deer.
hannah claire brimelow
When are you going to get your own chickens?
That's the real question.
libby emmons
I'm going to do that and homeschool my kid and run the Postmillennial at the same time.
hannah claire brimelow
But you don't homeschool Charlie, so it's fine.
libby emmons
You should see what the struggle is trying to get him to do his homework and practice piano and practice guitar and do his reading.
tim pool
Let's read this one from Mr. Obvious, says, we aren't winning, we are resisting.
It's not enough to vote in the next election, we must counter their cheating.
We will have won once we are in power and have crushed our enemies.
Total war.
carl benjamin
Yeah, and just want to say, Mr. Obvious, I don't know whether he's still got a YouTube channel, because he got banned, but he's a really nice chap.
Yeah, looks like it.
Yeah, great.
tim pool
Super chat verified and everything.
carl benjamin
I hope he does, because well worth your time.
He does great content.
tim pool
Definitely is.
carl benjamin
There's a guy called Mr. Obvious.
unidentified
I thought we lost this channel for a minute.
tim pool
We need to do the same things that Democrats did in 2020.
You know, it's all by the book.
carl benjamin
That's the game.
tim pool
That's what you do, and that's it.
And then once Trump's in office, he can start weeding out corruption, arresting those who are deserving of being arrested and facing indictments, and we'll go through the legal process as we should, but it must be done.
We can't do this half-assed McCarthy, GOP-type stuff where it's like, we'll get to it, you know, eventually.
No, no, no, we're gonna go in and be like DOJ, start filing.
libby emmons
Well, there's the impeachment inquiry this week, right?
Doesn't it start on Thursday?
tim pool
Oh, is that it?
Well, that'll be fun.
unidentified
I've been thinking to myself, like, you win it, then you can fix it.
tim pool
Not try and fix it first and then try and work with what you have.
It's much more important.
Alpha Garcia says, Freedom-loving trucker here.
Please shout out happy birthday to my wife, Lisa.
Happy birthday, Lisa.
Happy birthday, Lisa.
I have to leave out on her birthday and I'm forcing her to watch you guys on my only day off.
Well, right on.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
Happy birthday.
She's like, is this what men think about the Roman Empire?
unidentified
Yeah, that's what we talk about.
tim pool
Where are we at?
Kane Abel says, Tim, know your history about the Nazi Party and Communist Party gained control.
How?
Oh, about how the Nazi Party and Communist Party gained control.
We are losing this war.
They can rig the election by placing people in it.
They use their own power, which they have to win.
I disagree.
I just, I can't understand how Trump is winning in the polls.
Trump, he improved over getting arrested, he's fundraised record amounts of money, that Bud Light's dropped $30 billion, that Target is dropping, that Disney's burning subscribers, Disney lost a billion dollars in their last 10 movies.
I don't understand how you look at all that.
You're like, man, but we sure are losing.
And I'm like, look, man, they're getting desperate and they're lobbying everything they have at Trump to destroy him, but that's desperate.
The collateral damage from those moves reeks of desperation.
Making a Disney movie that's woke and making a bunch of money off it, that's them winning.
But that's turned around.
Now they're bleeding money over at Disney.
The fact that they just tried to destroy Trump's businesses, they're creating so much collateral damage, it's pyrrhic victory.
Regular people are gonna look at that and say, these people have lost their minds.
libby emmons
Yeah, they have.
tim pool
It's going to hurt them in the long run.
unidentified
Definitely.
tim pool
So it may be bad now, but I'm like, these are signs that your opponent is flailing in desperation.
phil labonte
All I can think when you talk about that stuff is the Princess Leia quote, the more you tighten your grasp, the more systems will slip through your fingers.
I think the more that they do to put their foot down on people, the more people realize.
unidentified
The more you tighten your grasp, the more star systems will slip through your fingers.
tim pool
They see the cockroach, they step on it, and it splatters all the eggs all over the place, deep into the carpets.
libby emmons
That happened to me with a spider in my mailbox.
unidentified
I didn't mean to squash it.
tim pool
Yallhunter says, Hey Tim, Sargon is actually how I found your channels.
When you guys did that park bench sit down video all those years ago.
Glad to finally see Sargon finally on the show.
Thanks to both of you.
unidentified
That's right.
phil labonte
It's your second time, right?
carl benjamin
No, it's my first time.
tim pool
We started when COVID was locked down.
And then even after that, you couldn't travel.
carl benjamin
Yeah.
So vaccination passed to get into this country for literally years.
And I was like, no, I'm not doing it.
tim pool
I was in Berkeley, I think, and we were covering what was going on on the ground, and then Carl said he was going on vacation, and asked me if I wanted to produce a video that he would put on his channel, and I was like, yeah, let's do it!
And then I was like, I could, I could, I don't know what I'd do, but I could do something breaking down, like, how the media's lying, because I worked, I had just left, and so we did a video explaining, like, the different ways they manipulate, and then I went from, like, I think I had, like, 40-something thousand subs, and then two days later, I had 100, and I'm like, I remember sitting in the hotel lobby as the thing ticked over to 100, I'm like, ah!
And then I'm like, how do I get my silver medal?
Like, what do I do?
And then it took like eight months.
Took forever.
Till I finally got it.
And then I figured out, once you get your first, you have the URL to get the rest.
And all you need to do is figure out the code.
And it's like, I figured out a workaround.
So all my other channels, I instantly, as soon as I hit it, got the awards.
phil labonte
All that remains was waiting for India to clear something for a year before we got our silver.
unidentified
Wow!
phil labonte
India?
I don't know why, but YouTube in India was holding something up for the band.
tim pool
Yeah, but you know, you had platinum already.
phil labonte
I know!
hannah claire brimelow
Do you have a big following in India?
phil labonte
I don't know.
I didn't think so.
And I don't know.
I mean, I'm not sure that there was any following or if it was just something that had to do with the legal department or whatever.
tim pool
It would be funny if, like, Hasan has the, like, Turkish equivalent of, like, several platinum records.
So his criticism of you is somewhat warranted.
phil labonte
I just, I can't imagine Hasan has any talent, so...
tim pool
I mean, if he wants to go to war with a talent and call you a failed musician, it's like, you know... What do you say?
He got mad that he got dunked on by a rock star, so he just called you a failed musician?
carl benjamin
So you're calling Hasan out for a rap battle?
phil labonte
I would- I will- Because I would love to see that.
I would call Hasan out for a rap battle.
You gotta hear me do Baby Got Back at karaoke.
carl benjamin
Okay, Hasan, the gauntlet's down.
What are you doing, bro?
tim pool
Apparently!
carl benjamin
You ran away from Sam Hyde, but I mean... I'm much smaller.
phil labonte
I'm not a big guy.
You can't be physically pretty.
carl benjamin
You're not even gonna get it punched in the face this time.
unidentified
Got no excuse this time.
tim pool
Alright, let's grab some more subjects.
Joseph says, thank you Carl for blackpailing this channel.
They sorely need a reality check.
If you really cared, you wouldn't live in a fantasy world.
carl benjamin
So... Hang on, okay, that is a bit harsh, and I'm not trying to blackpail, because you are totally right saying, look, Demoralization is the worst thing that can happen, and they're absolutely right.
And I'm not trying to demoralize us, but I am trying to make sure that we are realistic about the scope of the problem and where we need to begin from where we are to get to where we want to be.
tim pool
But you didn't know about Public Square.
Now that you do, your mind's completely changed!
You're like, we've won!
It's over!
hannah claire brimelow
A couple months ago, someone came on and said, this is Grimcast.
I'm surprised.
I can't make anyone happy.
libby emmons
That's like, I was on the War Room with Steve Bannon once and I said that he was very optimistic and he was like, oh my goodness, someone called me optimistic.
hannah claire brimelow
It's all a matter of perception, I guess.
libby emmons
But I kind of disagree.
I don't think we need to look realistically at the problem and determine the scope and figure out how we can actually tackle it.
Because the problem is so big and the scope is so massive that I think it would behoove us to look at it and say, we can handle that.
hannah claire brimelow
Spoken like a true woman, Levi.
libby emmons
There's a bit of a fantasy involved, just so that we believe that we can tackle it.
carl benjamin
There's a great quote in Blackadder where Gerald Melcher, I don't know if you've ever seen Blackadder.
libby emmons
I've seen Blackadder, yeah.
carl benjamin
We're just going to pig-headedly ignore the facts and press on anyway.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's what we need to do!
carl benjamin
And I kind of appreciate that attitude, actually.
There's a part of me that does appreciate that, but then there's sort of the cold-hearted realist in me that's like, okay, but we are going to have to think about a lot of stuff.
libby emmons
Well, you need a couple people doing that, but the people who are actually going out there and going for it and going to the coffee shops and downloading Public Square and doing all that stuff and homeschooling their kids, they need to look at it and say, we can totally handle this, you guys!
hannah claire brimelow
Let's just link arms and go for it.
They are actively handling it, to be fair.
libby emmons
Actively handling it.
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show.
More importantly, head over to TimCast.com, click join us.
The members-only uncensored show will begin in a few minutes, and we've got a spicy story, which is about the culture war, woke politics, and the ramifications pertaining to a woman who lost her life.
It's gonna be a little dark, but we hope to see you there.
And then, if you become a member, hang out in the Discord, help build culture with like-minded individuals.
It's how we win.
Shout it again to Public Square for sponsoring the Miami event.
Download the Public Square app, get involved.
You can follow the show at Timcast IRL.
You can follow me personally at Timcast.
Carl, do you wanna shout anything out?
carl benjamin
Oh, well, just my outfit, which is LotusEaters.com and go subscribe to the podcast Lotus Eaters, where we black pill everyone all day, every day.
But we also have some solutions.
So that's lucky.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Right on.
Libby!
libby emmons
Hi!
I'm at Libby Emmons on Twitter.
You can follow me there, and you can check out what we're doing at the Postmillennial and Human events.
And if you really want to support independent media and tell NBC and all these people to go screw off, you can do that.
You can go to thepostmillennial.com slash subscribe and join us, follow what we're doing, and, you know, get some honest reporting where we speak truth to power.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on Twix.
I am PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can follow us on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube, you know, the internet.
tim pool
Fifth gold record?
phil labonte
Fifth gold record.
carl benjamin
Wow.
106.
hannah claire brimelow
Couldn't got to six.
carl benjamin
Pardon me? 106.
phil labonte
Well, that's coming, actually, shortly.
There's another one that's right on the cusp, too.
tim pool
For real?
phil labonte
Yeah, for real.
unidentified
Classic failed musician.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should follow at TimCastNews on Twitter, or X, and Instagram.
It's the best, and we're always happy to be a part of the independent media space.
If you want to follow me personally, I'm on Twitter at hcbrimlow, and I'm on Instagram at hannahclaire.b, and Serge is here, too.
unidentified
Yes, and you can find me on Twix, too, at Surge.com.
It's a pleasure meeting you in real life, Sargon of Akkad.
carl benjamin
Oh, thank you.
unidentified
For real, yeah, I've been a fan for a long time, as have these friends.
And, yeah, I'm excited for the after.
We'll see what the questions are from the audience.
tim pool
We will see all of you over at TimCast.com for the Uncensored Members Show in just a few minutes.
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