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Timcast IRL - Apple NUKES Glenn Beck REMOVES ALL His Shows, Says It Was MISTAKE w/Kingsley Cortes
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tim pool
So, Glenn Beck tweeted out earlier that, you know, he's not going to be able to get a vote,
that Apple had removed all of his shows.
Don't worry!
Briefly, they were down, but now they're back, and Apple says it was one big mistake, but I really doubt it.
I'm willing to bet it was a rogue employee who is fervent and anti-Trump and far-left who probably took down his podcast, or it was a top-down effort to put a little fear into those who would speak out against the machine.
As we enter 2024, you know, things are going to get very spicy when it comes to censorship.
And already we have a ton of super chats before the show even started of people saying they're struggling to find this show.
Well, yeah, election season is upon us.
And so it's going to become increasingly difficult to find our clips, our show, etc.
So if you like the show and you want to push back, take the URL right now, post it wherever you can.
Don't let them try to throttle and suppress us or anyone else.
But we'll talk about that as we start entering this Election season.
We got a lot of news pertaining to what's going on.
There's more talk about what's going to happen with Donald Trump, his personnel, and his lawyers as they're ordered to surrender.
They're going to be placed in county jail, which will be a site.
It's going to be very interesting as to how the Secret Service actually negotiates this.
And there's a lot of questions about whether Trump actually can be charged for things he did as president under the Constitution.
And then we've got more polls.
Vivek Ramaswamy is in second place in many of these polls.
In an interview, he actually mentioned that if Trump were to be removed, he could be the frontrunner.
He didn't say that as something good.
He said it was a bad thing, that he needs to actually earn the trust of people and win honorably, but it would serve him to have Trump removed, because in some instances, he'd be in first place.
But I like Vivek, so we'll talk about that.
Plus, ladies and gentlemen, Target has lost money in its sales for the first time in six years.
Bud Light is struggling.
They lost hundreds of millions of dollars.
The Bush family wants to buy back the brand, and Sound of Freedom has surpassed Indiana Jones.
The reason why they're going after Trump with pure force is because they're panicked that they're losing, and the only thing they have left is raw power, which can be terrifying, but I think we're winning, and we'll talk a lot more about that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Kingsley Cortez.
kingsley wilson
Hey guys, great to be with you.
Like Tim said, my name is Kingsley Cortez.
I am a Trump campaign alum and I currently do digital media at the Center for Renewing America.
I'm also national committee woman for the D.C.
Young Republicans.
Great to be with you all tonight.
tim pool
Right on.
Thanks for hanging out.
We got Phil Labonte.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
I'm Phil Labonte, lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
What's going on, Ian?
ian crossland
Not too much, man.
Just lifting weights, loving life.
You know how it is, Phil.
phil labonte
I know how it is.
ian crossland
Hi, everybody.
Ian Crossland.
Happy to be here.
Let's rock and roll.
tim pool
He actually was lifting weights earlier.
phil labonte
He's chasing the macros every day.
ian crossland
I went from 15-pound dumbbells to 25-pound dumbbells today.
tim pool
They came in via UPS, and the UPS guy's going, and he puts them down, and he's like, I don't know what that is.
It's really heavy.
And then Sarah's trying to bring it in.
phil labonte
She's like, what is it?
unidentified
I think it was 50-pound weights.
ian crossland
I was surprised how easy it was.
You know, you train, you get ready for it, and then when you go there, it's not as hard as you think it's going to be.
That's right.
phil labonte
Get it.
Right wing, right wing.
ian crossland
Dupreeh!
serge du preez
Hello!
I am Serge.com.
I'm excited for the episode.
Good to see you, Kingsley.
Let's, uh, just jump right into it.
tim pool
Here's the story, my friends, and let the censorship begin.
In, I think it was 2018, they went after Alex Jones.
They went after... Who else did they ban?
Laura Loomer, Miley Yiannopoulos.
Uh, who else got caught up in that?
unidentified
It was a big wave of people that got, uh... Sargon.
ian crossland
He got it early, I think.
tim pool
I don't think he was part of that wave.
Paul Joseph Watson, I think they went after him.
They got rid of his Instagram.
And it was a bunch of just pictures of him, like, smoking a cigarette with a sunset behind him.
And it's like, that was just gotta go!
He got rid of him.
Well, here's a story.
Glenn Beck's show removed from Apple Podcasts.
The tech giant gave the podcaster no warning prior to his show's removal.
Scary stuff.
He put out this video saying, what's the issue?
In a video shared to X, the podcaster said the email from Apple's podcast team contained a link Though the link brought him to another page informing him his podcast has been removed from the platform.
We found an issue with your show, the Glenn Beck program, which must be resolved before it's available on Apple Podcasts.
He said, I cannot imagine what they're basing this on.
The podcaster said Apple's removal of the Glenn Beck program was crazy and encouraged people to share his post and demand Apple Podcasts reinstate the show.
If this was not Glenn Beck, if it was any other podcast, they would not be restored.
It's only because it's a high-profile personality in political commentary.
I bet Apple nukes tons of shows all the time, and they're smaller shows that maybe will get only a few thousand downloads per episode.
No one knows it's happening.
Glenn Beck said, looks like Apple restored my 3,000 plus episodes to their platform, but still don't have clear answers as to why this happened.
Hope to have an update for you tomorrow on radio.
I want to thank everyone on the left, right, and everyone in between who spoke up today.
I wish I had better answers from Apple on what happened, but you gave me hope that the issue of censorship is still bigger than politics.
There were a lot of people on the left who were saying, OK, look, man, like, you know, you might not like Glenn Beck, but that's kind of crazy.
They nuked his show.
phil labonte
It's weird that it seems like they've got like a kill switch for essentially entire channels.
I mean, well, I mean, maybe it makes sense there.
tim pool
Rogue employee, like with when Donald Trump got banned from Twitter.
Remember that?
phil labonte
Yeah but there's even still it's like if there if there is a rogue employee that's actually doing the you know shut it off or whatever it seems like it's something that's fairly simple for someone to do as in it doesn't take there's not a lot of backups there's no doesn't seem like there's checks and any kind of checks or anything whatever you know.
ian crossland
I would think that it would be either one of the lead developers or one of the owners of Spotify.
Was it Spotify?
Apple Music?
Apple Podcasts.
Usually, most employees don't have access to shutting off channels completely unless you're a really well-trusted, respected administrator.
But even then, that would be a big risk for the company to give an administrator that kind of ability.
So I'm thinking like someone up in the in the development chain must have, which means that it went through a series of calls, like it wasn't just someone just decided to do it, that someone would have told someone to do it.
And then they went ahead and pushed it.
And then they temporarily made it invisible to Glenn.
He thought it was deleted, but they just had it in this mode until they could resolve something.
I don't know.
tim pool
This happens a lot, and I wonder if this is a shot across the bow for conservative commentary, and Glenn Beck being a conservative commentator, but also obviously anybody who is supporting Trump in any way, pushing back on the narrative machine.
I saw this clip.
Vivek Ramaswamy was talking to Neil Cavuto.
And Cavuto was like, Donald Trump's now been indicted, you know, 90-some-odd counts.
And Vivek was like, clearly it's political.
And Cavuto goes, you don't think even one of them?
I mean, certainly.
And Vivek is like, no.
Cavuto argues why Trump actually is guilty because there's so many charges.
Vivek makes an excellent point saying, we cannot become a country that simply says because there are so many charges, one of them must be true.
No, you're innocent until proven guilty.
But that shows you where Fox News is at.
Obviously Fox News is anti-Trump, pro-establishment.
They get rid of Tucker Carlson.
We know what's going on.
Now they're arguing that Trump must be guilty in some way.
Then they go after people like Glenn Beck.
They're going to try and take down independent media.
We've already got people in the super chat before the show started saying they can't find this show.
Well, yeah, this happens all the time.
It should appear on the front page of YouTube when you go there if you're subscribed.
A lot of people are like, I can't find it.
We've actually had people say they go to the YouTube channel for Timcast IRL and there's no live stream.
It's just not there, not visible for them, even though we're live with, you know, 30 plus thousand people watching.
If you go to youtube.com slash live, typically every night we are the number one live show, but people still have a hard time to find it.
That's one way you can find it.
We're going to get in 2024, and you better believe it.
They're going to get rid of anybody.
Here's what I think.
If you're pro-DeSantis, you'll probably be okay.
If you are pro-Trump, you will probably be hidden.
ian crossland
I think people, if they want to watch the show, can go to TimCast.com every night at 8 p.m., and then you can link to it from the website's front page.
So start going.
If you're having trouble, if you ever think you have trouble or you don't want to ever have trouble, go to TimCast.com at 8 o'clock Eastern.
tim pool
It's right there on the homepage.
ian crossland
You can link it through to the YouTube if you want to watch it from YouTube, or you can just watch it on the website.
kingsley wilson
I think, though, to the Apple point specifically, conservatives have this kind of consensus of thinking that, you know, corporations are untouchable because we all worship at the altar of the free market, right?
But what we're seeing is that these corporations are taking our freedoms, they're acting as tyrants.
So I think we need to get a lot more comfortable on the right with, you know, trust-busting certain corporations or really enforcing certain laws and just ensuring that they are protecting the liberties that the Constitution entrusts to every single American.
tim pool
It's a bigger issue of the Republicans, they don't do anything.
kingsley wilson
Yeah.
No, they write strongly worded letters.
That's right.
That's what our party does.
I mean, just really good at it.
Yeah.
No, we are.
I mean, in the wake of the Fulton County indictment, all we're doing is tweeting.
We see, you know, Kevin McCarthy and various GOP leader just putting out statements and fiery tweets.
There's zero action.
And I think the base wants action.
The American people see this stuff.
They're enraged.
They're infuriated.
They want retribution.
That's why they love Donald Trump.
But I think they're frustrated with the kind of establishment Washington, D.C.
cartel that's just doing nothing.
ian crossland
What kind of action could people take?
Like, legal, you know, righteous action?
Because I'm racking my brain.
What could people do?
kingsley wilson
In terms of corporations?
I mean, there's a lot that you can do.
Like, these corporations are too massive, number one.
They collude with the government.
There needs to be a lot more barriers there that kind of... We saw with the Twitter files, right, that the government was actually asking Twitter to do things and then they were, you know, complying in a sense.
So we need to be sure that there are protections in place so that that kind of collusion can't happen.
unidentified
So what would that look like, though?
ian crossland
Making them do it in public?
I mean, you can't force people to talk in public.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, I mean, I think there needs to be a period of a lot of transparency and we're seeing a little bit of that with the Weaponization Committee that's happening in Congress right now.
We're seeing some of these files start to come out and we're getting evidence.
So I think we need more of that.
I think we need to kind of uncover what's been done.
And then we can kind of go after these corporations and make sure, you know, that they are serving the interests of the American people.
When our founders conceptualized what a corporation would be, it was kind of akin to a British charter.
It had to serve the common good.
It had to be publicly beneficial to the people that lived in that country.
And I think now, if you look at most modern corporations, I mean, they act as tyrants.
They don't serve the American people at all.
ian crossland
When did that happen?
It was like 1850s?
When did the modern corporation take over?
tim pool
It was, let's see, the first American corporation was organized in 1894 as Orange County Title Company, succeeding the two businesses, the business of two title abstract companies founded in 1889 and operating in Orange County, California.
kingsley wilson
That's like right before Rockefeller got his stranglehold on Standard Oil on the country, through Standard Oil, and then they eventually broke up Standard Oil, turned it into like six other oil companies that Rockefeller still had a piece of, so it didn't really And now you have multinational corporations too, like you have corporations that are working at the behest of the global elite, not even just, you know, American-centric or focused.
They're caring about, you know, what Klaus Schwab wants.
ian crossland
And you can't, so for the American government to go to like BlackRock and tell it to do something, BlackRock's like, well, where's their headquarters?
Is it even in the U.S.
right now?
I'm not sure.
Is it in Switzerland or whatever?
But they don't have to, because they're not American, but then so we could be like, you can't operate here unless you play by our rules, which as long as we're a strong, robust economy and a force that has bargaining power.
But if people don't take the U.S.
seriously and we tell Google like, hey, unless you free your software code, you can't function in the United States, they might just shut down the United States.
kingsley wilson
So it's like, And we could do shows of force like that.
We could tell Apple or Amazon, you know, no more manufacturing in China.
And if they do, we seize their boat when it arrives at a port in California.
tim pool
I'd love to see if at any point it was possible Republicans actually exert some kind of power.
They just don't.
phil labonte
Well, yeah.
Honestly, I think that that's asking more than is reasonable to expect.
tim pool
And what would you get from libertarians?
They would be even worse with exerting power.
They'd be like, no, it's against our ethos.
ian crossland
You'd get a Dave Smith X space at 8 o'clock p.m.
Eastern, right while we're doing our show.
Dave, yeah, they're doing a live space, you libertarians.
tim pool
But like, if libertarians got elected, they'd be like, oh, oh, drat, they're doing awful things again.
ian crossland
Well, what could they do exactly?
Like, well, firstly, why do you think that there's such inactivity on the side of both political parties?
And secondly, what both?
Yeah.
tim pool
No!
They just indicted Trump's lawyers!
ian crossland
Oh, I mean righteous activities.
kingsley wilson
Dems are playing hardball.
tim pool
Right, okay, well, the reason why there's demonic activities on the side of Democrats is because they're evil, power-hungry psychopaths, and the reason why there's inaction on the part of the Republicans is because they're actually Democrats who are power-hungry psychopaths, but they're only wearing Republican masks.
ian crossland
So the Uniparty, bought out by the corporations, and they're just floating?
You know, while we're all down under the deck trying to put the fire out.
tim pool
There's a handful of Republicans who are legitimate.
Some of them are more libertarian leaning, some of them are MAGA or anti-establishment, but what, there's like 20 of them?
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
The other option is boycott, you know, but that's only because... Boycott what?
Boycott Apple.
tim pool
No, but the boycotts are working.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Disney's shares are at risk because of news reporting about there's another boycott happening and they're starting to freak out.
Target lost for the first time in six years massive amounts of money and their stock dropped by like 27%.
Bud Light is on the verge, is collapsing.
phil labonte
That's fair enough, but Apple, there was one point in the past couple years where Apple had more actual cash than the federal government.
ian crossland
That's wild.
phil labonte
Like, that was a real thing.
So, whereas, yes, I get, like, boycotts can move the needle and stuff, I'm not sure Apple is who... Yeah, I don't want to be able to... Because Apple's looked at as more of a global company, too.
They're selling iPhones all over the, you know, the whole world.
So, I mean, and hey, I'm only telling you my impression.
I was wrong about the Bud Light boycott in the first place.
I didn't think it was a good idea, and apparently I was wrong about that, so fair enough.
But I think Apple's a bit of a different company.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm not too concerned with Apple.
Only because Glenn Beck, they got rid of his podcast.
That is the one that came out of my mouth.
But any kind of multinational company or American company that's actually de facto multinational, that's betraying our interests, we could boycott or at least attempt to.
But then if these companies get too integrated in our society and you try and boycott them, I want to boycott Microsoft?
Are you kidding me?
All my computers are running Windows right now.
I don't know.
tim pool
You can get Ubuntu and use Wine.
ian crossland
I've tried that, but I can't game.
It's not good.
tim pool
For those unfamiliar, Wine is a way to run Windows programs on Linux.
It's just not good.
But I love Ubuntu, and it really is awesome that people have built this open source and a lot of free software on the platform.
It's cool.
It's cool that it exists.
phil labonte
Only thing I know about Ubuntu is that's what I used when I was mining Ethereum.
tim pool
Well, I'll tell you about it is it makes tons of money for massive multinational corporations.
Because when they need to operate like point-of-sale terminals or self-checkouts, why pay for a license for Windows as your operating system when Linux is free?
So a bunch of them, they use Linux.
A bunch of servers use Linux because they're like free software.
There you go.
Saves, I shouldn't say makes the money, but saves the money.
So we got this other news update.
I want to pull up this story.
We got this tweet from Mike Benz.
I hope y'all are ready for next year.
He says, this is how self-sabotaging Linda's new crop of censorship shills are of their own company.
Let me slow down there a minute.
This guy's pointing out that Twitter has begun the process.
I'm sorry, X has begun the process of hiring election integrity team members for 2024, which means censorship.
They're hiring censors.
He was going to mention several of these individuals have previously expressed interest for the Twitter killer, not wanting to work for, uh, here.
He says, this guy who seems to dream of his own company being killed or reverted to Twitter 1.0 censorship even positively promotes that under Linda, they're getting the band back together.
The band of policy team means misinfo policies.
He's bragging the old censors are back.
Okay.
Do we trust this Linda, what is her name, Yacarino?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Is that?
ian crossland
No.
Yeah, that's her name.
Trust her?
I don't know.
phil labonte
No.
I mean, it should be assumed that just right off the bat, like you assume you don't trust her.
Now, I'm not saying that it's not possible that she could earn trust or that it's not possible that, you know, This could be much ado about nothing, but you don't trust off the bat.
ian crossland
The truth is you should never have to trust your social media.
You should be able to verify the code and know exactly what the media is doing.
Secondly, they can ban you at any time for any reason, everywhere you go.
So there's no reason in wondering or be getting angry about it if and when it happens.
Linda Iaccarino and Elon Musk can ban you off X right now.
phil labonte
You bring up, like, verifying the code a lot.
I wonder how many people actually could verify the code.
Like, I wouldn't be able to verify any code.
Like, even if they made the code open source, I can't.
Like, I don't know what to do.
ian crossland
You might be able to run it.
So just chat GPT, like an AI program, to, like, translate the code for you and let you know what it's saying?
phil labonte
Well, okay, maybe.
But your average person isn't going to be able to verify the code.
tim pool
How many lines of code do you think Twitter is?
ian crossland
I think 18,000 on just the algorithm alone.
phil labonte
And so you're still back to trusting someone to tell you that, oh, this is safe.
Yeah.
So I mean, it's it's the reason I bring this up is because you say you you mentioned bring, you know, verify the code and have the have open source code.
And I still feel like.
Your average person is still going to have to rely on someone else that they trust because they're not it's like that's like being like oh we'll make sure that you know put it put it make it available so that way people can read it but then like half the world's illiterate or whatever doesn't read that language you would get like 10,000 developers that all have agreed that the code says this so it's kind of hard to have them all lie that they would be that kind of trust so it's like trust in the Fortification of the mass mentality or something.
tim pool
I think what would end up happening is you'd get 80% of corporate coders who align with the Democrats, the establishment, the machine, would all come out and say, everything's fine, it looks good to me.
Then you get a small faction of people being like, I don't know, this line of code looks like they're spying on you and stealing your info.
Then the corporate press would say far-right neo-Nazis claim code is stealing your info and deranged conspiracy theory.
phil labonte
I'm not 100% sure that something, just because of the level of complexity, if the average person can't simply understand it, it might not actually make more clarity by making the information available.
Not saying that it's a bad idea that it must be kept secret, but I'm saying that I don't see that as a solution because I don't think that it would add more clarity to the situation.
tim pool
The average person is going to say, I have no idea.
And you're going to get people who will lie.
They'll just take a snippet of code and say, this actually does this.
And then they could be lying.
phil labonte
Yeah, it may add more vectors.
ian crossland
But when you find out someone was lying, then that destroys their credibility.
tim pool
Now, look, Joe Biden stated on camera that if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollars.
We know for a fact he did it.
And they're still saying it's a conspiracy theory.
ian crossland
Well, crazy.
You're right.
tim pool
There was another story I saw earlier.
Lab leak theory is still labeled as misinformation, according to these universities.
ian crossland
I just hang with developers, and so they don't lie.
They read code, they know exactly what it's doing, and they'll be like, yo.
And then they make noise about it.
Mine, the whole essence of it is free software code, open source code.
Those are like my bros.
I would feel very, very good if the code was available to peruse.
tim pool
Yes, I agree.
It should be publicly available.
More importantly, voting machine software should be publicly available information, and none of this would be an issue.
Like, there would be no indictment.
They'd be able to look at it and be like, okay, well, you know, I don't know.
But they keep it a secret.
Massive private... First of all, Dominion is a multinational corporation, is it not?
phil labonte
I assume so.
unidentified
It is, yeah.
kingsley wilson
It's international.
tim pool
It's an international company that handles our elections?
I mean, that just seems like a really bad idea.
I'm not saying that Dominion did anything wrong, I'm just saying the United States should sever all ties with international organizations that handle our voting, and it should be law.
Listen up, Republicans!
Pass this bill!
The software code for voting machines should be public available.
Have a nice day.
That's it.
What's the argument against it?
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, I don't have any kind of issue with it being available.
I mean, there are people that... I assume that there might be problems in the fact that it's proprietary, like, if you have intellectual property issues with that, right?
tim pool
Too bad, go home.
You should not be able to operate an election... Oh, fair enough, okay.
I mean, you can make software code that people don't get access to, but the election machine, all software on it, the code must be publicly available for people to review and see.
ian crossland
Yeah, if there's little lines in there that let people flip tallies and stuff, I'm gonna point you to, what's that guy's name?
That software developer that testified in Congress that he wrote a program to flip votes 51-49.
This is like from the year 2000.
I'll pull it up in a minute.
kingsley wilson
I mean, I think, like, too, we're going to see a lot of issues in 24 just in terms of voter trust.
Like, there are so many members of the base out there, especially Trump's base, that just don't believe that their 2024 ballot is going to be counted correctly.
And that is a massive problem.
And Republicans, like you said, don't do anything.
They don't seem to have any plan to address that.
We haven't changed any of these voter laws that the Democrats switched in the dead of night in 2020.
They're still on the books.
unidentified
Seriously, I don't know who to blame.
phil labonte
I don't know who to look to to get this stuff done.
I figure Ronna McDaniel, I guess.
If there has been no movement, no effort taken by the Republicans to make sure that they're in a different position strategically for this election, Then, I mean, then all of the talking about Donald Trump or talking about DeSantis or Vivek or whoever, all that stuff is just horse crap.
It doesn't matter if the Republicans have not taken measures to prevent the type of electioneering that happened last night.
ian crossland
Dude, let's pass a bill.
I think this is Thomas Massey's ballgame, and I would love to get Kevin McCarthy involved.
I don't know.
I haven't talked to him.
Matt Gaetz, I'm sure, would love to hear this.
phil labonte
Any bill that gets passed has to get through the Senate and through the President, and anything that might help the Republicans is not going to happen.
So you have to think of things.
If the Congress right now has power to do things like affect the purse strings, so they
cannot fund stuff.
So if there's something that they want to affect, they can be like, well, we're not
going to pass a bill that pays for it.
But if Congress just passes a bill that is a bill that in the hopes of becoming a law,
the Senate's not going to pass it and Biden's not going to sign it.
So passing a bill would be a way, even talking about passing a bill.
kingsley wilson
State level.
Well, also, yeah, states run their own elections.
So the problem is our people in various even red states aren't mobilized This is I think been a problem on our side for a long time the left Being an activist being political is almost their hobby our people, you know, we do our nine-to-five we kind of check out we're not involved in what's going on in our community all and So I think that's a disadvantage.
I think also we don't have enough lawyers on our side.
It seems that they have just endless lawyers that are willing to litigate and fight this stuff.
So I always tell people, like, get off the sidelines.
You have to run for school board.
You have to, like, be an election poll watcher.
Do whatever you can, because too many of us are just totally checked out and we're asleep at the wheel.
ian crossland
You think it's cool for people to run for school board if they don't have kids?
kingsley wilson
Yeah, why not?
I mean, if you're involved in your community, absolutely.
serge du preez
So you think that people would be less likely, on the right, to go and vote because they feel that their vote's not going to be counted?
Is that what you're saying?
kingsley wilson
I've talked to a lot of people that feel that way.
serge du preez
Really?
I've spoken to people that have said the opposite, because they're like, I'm going to go out and go vote first thing, first day on paper, or whatever.
I hope so, yeah.
kingsley wilson
I hear kind of, like, discouragement, I think, is the overwhelming sense.
Like, I hope my vote counts this time.
tim pool
I hear the opposite.
There's a meme where it's from the wildfires in New York, and then the camera's panning past, like, the Williamsburg Bridge, and everything's orange.
Then it shows Trump dancing, and then it scrolls past him and says, don't care, still voting Trump.
What I'm hearing, all the memes are people just saying, whenever they're like, Trump did this, Trump did that, the election's rigged, whatever, people just say, don't care, still voting Trump.
Yeah, that's the meme.
I mean, if that meme holds, Trump wins.
If people are just like, don't know, don't care, I'm gonna vote for him anyway.
kingsley wilson
I think, too, they'll be pushed to act and to vote the more he becomes indicted or just like has the DOJ totally weaponized against him.
This is gearing people up for retribution.
They're ready for it.
tim pool
I just think it doesn't matter at all.
We saw how bad it was in 2016.
It's been ramping up.
2016, the Democrats screamed until blood sprayed from their eyes that Donald Trump was a Soviet spy who stole the election.
All of the craziest conspiracy nonsense.
2020, Trump and his supporters believed and screamed to the high heavens there was voter fraud, to the point where you had many people saying Trump was secretly still the president.
It's insane.
2024 is going to be no different.
No different whatsoever.
ian crossland
I've got the name.
tim pool
Worse.
It'll be different in the sense that it will be escalating.
ian crossland
This developer's name is Clinton Eugene Curtis and he testified that Congressman Tom Feeney asked him to build a prototype software package that would secretly rig an election to sway the result 5149 to a specified side.
He testified that in front of U.S.
House Judiciary members in Ohio.
And the YouTube video is called American Election Hacker Testifies.
It's by a We got this story from the post-millennial.
tim pool
Trump, Giuliani, and others to be booked at Fulton County Jail.
Suspects in Fulton County are booked and arraigned on two separate occasions.
So, according to standard procedure, Donald Trump will be in county lockup.
A not-so-special prison.
The left calls it decrepit and say people die there.
So I have a few questions.
First, how do they handle something like this?
But more importantly, what would happen?
And everyone's saying it won't happen, so fine, sure, whatever, I'm not saying it will happen.
I'm saying, question, what would happen if, with these charges, Donald Trump, his associates, or any one of these individuals refuses to go to Georgia and surrender?
What happens then?
ian crossland
Fugitive charges?
tim pool
So, there's interesting constitutional provision, and it's really just absolutely hilarious, the armchair people on Twitter who have no idea what's going on in this world and think they know everything.
And that's not everybody, I'm just saying they exist.
One person brought up a really good point saying the Constitution says if someone flees from justice, then the feds can intervene to bring the person back to that state.
But what if you're not in the state and weren't in that state and the state accuses you of a crime?
The legal argument is that you are fleeing from justice by not surrendering, but this would mean if Donald Trump, Sidney Powell, Jenna Ellis, or any one of these individuals refuses to surrender, their state would have to cooperate.
Law enforcement would have to be sent out by Joe Biden to take in a former presidential administration official or lawyer and bring them to Georgia to be brought to jail.
What happens It's interesting, Ron DeSantis said that he would not assist in any extradition of Donald Trump.
Donald Trump, of course, is currently in Bedminster.
But what if he goes down to Mar-a-Lago?
phil labonte
It would be awesome, Tim.
It would be just the most awesome thing ever.
And it would be terrible for the country, I'm aware, and there are people that are mad at me for saying this.
tim pool
I don't know if that's true either.
I think they should have to go serve documentation to Trump.
I think Donald Trump, not gonna get a fair shake in Bedminster up in New Jersey, good luck with that.
I think Trump, his perfect play is to go to Florida.
Make DeSantis put his money where his mouth is.
And this is not a dig on DeSantis.
It's like, do you have the integrity to uphold what you've said?
But more importantly, if Georgia has an issue, they don't deliver this via press conference on TV.
If they're going to arrest Trump, they have to go to his residence and serve him the arrest documents.
It's such a strange phenomenon that people are like, Donald Trump should go surrender.
Yeah, if they serve him legal paperwork, And say, hello Donald Trump, here's the legal paperwork, you can take a copy of it, bring it to your lawyers, you can surrender in 10 days, or you will be arrested.
Alright?
What's happening now is, this lady goes on TV and says, we expect them to surrender in 10 days.
That's not legal!
You can't go on TV and be like, I'm suing them.
It's like, okay, well, until I actually have legal documents saying I'm being sued with a court signature and all that stuff, you're not doing anything.
For all Trump knows, there was never even a grand jury.
How's he supposed to know that?
How's he supposed to- For all he knows, a prosecutor went on TV and is just like, come on down, Trump, and she can take a picture with him and smile, get an autograph.
I'm not literally suggesting that's what she's doing, but for Trump and all these defendants, Their lawyers are going to have to be served some kind of paperwork or documentation, and I think the smartest play for Trump is to go to Mar-a-Lago and just say, if you are charging me, you can deliver the documents to my residence, where I will answer for them, and then we will discuss terms of either surrender or a legal challenge.
kingsley wilson
Yeah.
And I mean, Trump was acting in his federal capacity during this entire thing as like a federal officer.
So I'm not even convinced that a state has the authority necessarily to arrest him for something like that.
I guess we'll see.
It might go all the way to the Supreme Court.
But what they're doing to these folks is just despicable.
I mean, my colleague Jeff Clark is one of the ones who's been indicted along with President Trump.
tim pool
Acting assistant.
kingsley wilson
Attorney General.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, wow!
That's like the second law.
unidentified
Wow.
kingsley wilson
No, it's absolutely bonkers.
And he was just providing legal advice, right?
He was just telling Trump, this is how I think that you could apply the law.
And for that crime, which is not even a crime, right?
They're saying it is.
It's totally preposterous.
tim pool
Well, Jenna Ellis, I think, is the funniest because she's being charged with just being Trump's lawyer.
kingsley wilson
Right.
tim pool
That's that's basically it.
By just being his lawyer, they're charging her with Rico.
phil labonte
Yeah.
I firmly believe it's about intimidation.
Like I said last night, it's about the establishment wanting to intimidate the population, including lawyers and anyone that might run in the future.
kingsley wilson
And they're taking them out of the game too.
These are talented people that are going to be put on the sidelines while they have to deal with all of this.
tim pool
That's the point, but I want to speculate here.
What do you think happens if they don't surrender?
Is it something really boring?
Like a guy shows up, knocks on the door and says, I have a warrant for your arrest.
And they go, Oh, okay.
And then they get in the car and they drive off.
phil labonte
I don't know who the secret service actually answers to, because if the secret service answers to Donald Trump, the secret service are armed and they'll be, they'll have plenty of, of gear to actually pose a serious threat.
So if anyone is going to go pick up Donald Trump, And the Secret Service actually answers to him as opposed to answering to D.C.
and they listen to him and he says, don't let them come take me.
We're going to have a SWAT team with a gunfight with an FBI hostage rescue team in a fight with Secret Service, gunfight with Secret Service over Donald Trump.
serge du preez
If that's how World War Three or whatever starts, I never saw that coming.
phil labonte
Civil War, well that's how Civil War starts.
serge du preez
I'm not gonna say that on the show, you never know.
phil labonte
I mean, and this is all just, you know, a dude that yells at a stick for a living talking out of his ass, so take it for what it's worth, which is nothing.
It's worth nothing.
But, I mean, you know, like...
I don't know how the Secret Service... Yeah, what the command structure is.
Exactly.
So I don't know what happens.
But if it is, it's possible.
Because the Secret Service is supposed to protect Donald Trump.
And even if Donald Trump does get picked up and goes to jail, none of that takes away the fact that he's got Secret Service protection for the rest of his life.
So that means that there's going to be Secret Service.
He's going to have to be in a special jail.
Some type of special jail?
And Secret Service is gonna have to rotate in and out of his cell because they're not gonna leave him alone with a cellmate.
You can't, like, he's got Secret Service protection for the rest of his life, you know?
ian crossland
But if the Secret Service, his own Secret Service, if he were to start committing murder, like, starting to murder people on the street, his own Secret Service would have to stop him, I would imagine.
They don't serve him, they serve the law and the post-president.
phil labonte
I don't know that the Secret Service is obligated, I would assume the guy, the human being that is the Secret Service officer, like or whatever, if Donald Trump decided to start just mowing people down, I assume he would stop him.
That being said, I don't think the Secret Service is any more obligated to stop someone that's committing a criminal act than the regular police are, and the regular police are not obligated The Supreme Court has decided that they're not.
So, I don't know that they would be obligated to stop him.
But I would assume that a normal human being, in the role of secret service officer, would probably stop the former president from killing people if he's there.
tim pool
There are people right now saying, on Twitter, that to end this right now, Donald Trump need refuse to surrender.
There's a legal argument, not the way I described it.
There's a legal way to describe it.
that one, the actions they're challenging him on are protected as he was president at the time,
and that the leaking of the indictment before the grand jury voted proves that this is a
political conspiracy to steal or seize power. There's a legal argument, not the way I described
it. There's a legal way to describe it. Improper unconstitutional actions or something like that.
Some people have said Trump can, Trump and the Republicans can end this right now by doing what
needs to be done. I'm.
I don't know if I agree with that.
I don't know what would happen.
I have no idea.
It's entirely possible that what the Democrats are trying to do is muster up some kind of reaction so that they can use it to justify more.
If Trump doesn't surrender, they then go and say he's a fugitive from justice and that instantly justifies the removal of his name from the ballot or something like that.
Maybe Trump says, okay, we go to court, then he files a bunch of extensions, he files to have it transferred out of Fulton County to a federal court like what Mark Meadows is doing, and that delays the process until the election takes place and his name is in the ballot.
That might be the correct strategy for this.
It does seem like they will all be surrendering.
Giuliani, for instance, said that he's planning sometime next week to go down.
My question is, what would happen if they don't?
And Then, you know, if Trump stays in Florida, for instance, for one, that puts tremendous pressure on Ron DeSantis.
I don't know if Trump wants to do that because DeSantis is already falling in the polls.
However, it does create pressure.
It would force DeSantis to defend Trump, which can either put DeSantis in a difficult position where now he's 100% on board with MAGA and against the machine.
The opportunity there is, is DeSantis really anti-Deep State or whatever?
Well, here's your opportunity.
If Trump then refuses and says, serve me the paperwork and my lawyers will negotiate, then he has time without going to jail.
No mugshot, no jail time.
And then he gets the Supreme Court to issue a ruling on it and crush it instantly before they can pull off whatever weird scheme they want to pull off.
I don't know.
I have no idea what happens.
Here's what I'd prefer, I guess.
If, uh, I suppose the simple, surface-level response I could give is, I think Trump would be better off not surrendering, and simply saying, I have not received any legal documentation or notification in my home state of any charges against me from anyone else.
The simple act of a press conference is not a legal declaration that gives them the authority to take any actions.
When my local law enforcement make contact with my attorneys, as per any pending charges or extradition to another state, I will absolutely respond with legal documents.
That's what he should do.
And he should do it from Florida, not from New Jersey.
Although, the DeSantis supporters want Ron DeSantis to throw him under the bus, so...
I don't know what you get with that.
kingsley wilson
I think, too, we have to remember, like, questioning an election's legitimacy is something that has happened throughout this country for, you know, centuries almost.
I mean, Jackson questioned his 24 election and would reportedly walk around talking about how it was stolen.
You had Bush.
You had Stacey Abrams.
Countless individuals do this sort of thing when there is evidence of widespread fraud or they think there is evidence.
of widespread fraud. In Trump's case, there actually was massive fraud, whether that was,
you know, the censorship of the Hunter Biden story and how media kind of co-opted voters'
access to various sources of information on the Biden family, or whether that was, you know,
a pipe bursting in an Atlanta ballot count center. I like cheating better than fraud. Yeah. Because
tim pool
fraud, some people, you say that people might think cheating, but some people might think
Illegal fraudulent actions like fake ballots and stuff Cheating is better.
The shadow campaign to steal the election that Time Magazine published.
That's cheating.
Withholding the Hunter Biden laptop.
Cheating.
Changing the rules at the executive level without approval from the state legislature.
Cheating.
What they're doing right now by arresting Donald Trump, his lawyers, and the former presidential administration's personnel.
Cheating.
I like cheating better.
ian crossland
I like the word manipulating.
But I think we're all right.
I mean, I think, I don't know if it's technical fraud either, but I think it's both cheating, manipulative, and cheating.
I mean, you could say it's cheating.
tim pool
Get a man on the street, go to Times Square.
ian crossland
The thing is, it didn't break the rules.
tim pool
Yes, it did.
ian crossland
They just changed the rules.
tim pool
It did break the rules.
ian crossland
Oh, that it is cheating.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So the Constitution says that the state legislature has final authority on how the elections are run and how electors are assigned.
And when you got governors changing the rules without the approval of the state legislature and courts bypassing the state legislature, that was in violation of the Constitution.
Thus, Texas filed a lawsuit under original jurisdiction to the Supreme Court saying the way that these states handled their elections violates the Constitution and thus What did they say?
Basically, it's stripping Texas of their right to a free and fair election if other states are violating the Constitution.
The Supreme Court just said, screw you, we don't want to hear it.
So instead of actually hearing the arguments on the merits, the Supreme Court just said, leave us out of it.
ian crossland
Why?
tim pool
Because they're evil and corrupt people and cowards!
Thomas and Alito, I think, were the ones who were like, we must hear this argument.
Yeah, they were afraid to because they were afraid to hear the argument and then Find in favor of Donald Trump because it had there was merit to it and it was like it wasn't even in favor of Trump it was Texas saying if we do our elections by the Constitution and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and Georgia and Michigan or whatever don't Then there was no legitimate election It's like basically saying you and ten of your but like you and ten of your buddies are gonna decide who how much money you pitch in by lunch and then one of your friends just
gives a bunch of counterfeit bills and you're like no no no no why am I spending twenty dollars
we all agree everyone puts in twenty bucks this twenty bucks wasn't real or at least I don't know if it was real
phil labonte
and they say nah shut up you don't get to say there were articles written about like the discussions they
had about whether or not they would take this and they were concerned about the reaction
action the population would have if they found in a way that would help Donald Trump.
They were really, really concerned about it.
The Supreme Court justice Jenna Ellis.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't have it is being criminally indicted under RICO charges for the simple
act of being Trump's lawyer.
Mark Meadows was Trump's chief of staff.
Former presidential administration chief of staff was indicted for that reason.
These people in the Supreme Court were probably pissing in their pants, sitting in the corner crying, begging for forgiveness, saying, I'll do whatever you say.
Clarence Thomas was like, nah.
I think it was Alito and Thomas who were like, screw that, we don't care.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, the way I see it, we cannot rely on the courts.
Congress has kind of rendered itself useless.
The executive, I think, is truly the only way we can save this country is by using that authority to, you know, defund different agencies and do things like that and just totally go after this woke and weaponized deep state, this bureaucracy.
So I think, you know, this is really the most important election because it's kind of our last chance.
phil labonte
But if it's about funding, then the Republicans are in a position now where they should be able to do it because they have the House.
kingsley wilson
But they don't have the Senate.
Like, you have the Office of Management and Budget if you're president.
You can totally cut agency budgets.
tim pool
Oh, I mean, look, fair enough.
The Republicans are going to vote on this government funding bill.
And they're absolutely going to fund all of these intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies that are being weaponized against Trump and Trump supporters.
The Republicans have the power right now to simply be like, we will not vote on any funding for the government that includes funding for the FBI.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, they're not going to absolutely do that.
They won't.
unidentified
No, of course not.
tim pool
Because Kevin McCarthy is bought and paid for.
They're all bought and paid for.
They're corrupt as corrupt can be.
They're evil people.
ian crossland
Are they as fatigued as I am about it?
That's what happens though, man.
tim pool
They want you to be.
ian crossland
Yeah, they want to wear you down and then just make you be like, I don't care anymore.
Just do whatever.
tim pool
Don't you want to just play Magic the Gathering, Ian?
Hey, Baldur's Gate?
ian crossland
Build some muscle, eat healthy, make some funny movies, laugh, cry, look at my kid's eyes.
That's all I want to do.
tim pool
Never mind that we're putting mercury in your drinking water.
Never mind that we're putting fluoride in your drinking water.
Never mind that that chemical spill over there just killed a whole bunch of people or that island just burned down.
Forget all about that!
Don't worry about what we're doing.
Why don't you just go drink some more milkshakes that are full of microplastics or eat some cardboard with some milk pour all over it and some sugar crystals?
That's what they want you to do.
ian crossland
I don't want to do it.
unidentified
I don't want to do it.
tim pool
But here's the question, my friends.
Here's the question.
We've all seen The Matrix.
Would you rather sit there in that fancy restaurant with Cypher, cutting that fine filet mignon saying, I don't care if it's real, or would you rather be in the Abakanazra eating slime?
serge du preez
Oh, yeah.
That slime looked good, though.
I would try it.
ian crossland
I'd rather be Neo.
That shit was bad.
tim pool
Oh, sure.
ian crossland
It's like... Ben Metal.
phil labonte
In The Matrix, though.
Everybody wants to be The One.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the point.
This is the point.
You can choose to plug back in, shut it all down and say, do whatever you want with absolute power, oppress, maim, hurt, whatever.
I don't care.
I just want to drink my Bud Light and eat chicken wings.
ian crossland
Or we can eat the slime and do what's right.
tim pool
Or you can do what's right, fight for civil rights and freedom and honor and integrity and the Constitution and the preservation of the future, and you gotta eat slime while you do it.
serge du preez
I'll do slime over bugs.
ian crossland
What's the slime in this metaphor?
tim pool
Is it just that you gotta keep talking about stuff you don't wanna talk about?
ian crossland
But for us, look, the suffering involved with pushing ahead with this is just keep talking about it.
Don't let up, you know?
Because I don't want to talk about Donald Trump every day.
I got other stuff to do.
I want to do other things in my life.
But I will keep talking about it if that's what we need to do to save the republic.
tim pool
World War III is on the horizon.
It always is.
Sort of.
There's escalating degrees of conflict since the Cold War.
ian crossland
Yeah, Korea.
The Korean War was the closest the doomsday clock has ever been to zero.
tim pool
Now we have active warfare in Eastern Europe for the first time in I think, what, five or six decades.
You've got Russia saying that they're at war with us, and this wasn't happening when Donald Trump was president.
So, there's a lot of people who view this as, Joe Biden is beholden to Ukraine because of favors he did, and he is terrified of what happens if this information gets out.
So he's dumping money into Ukraine so that they can win their territorial dispute with their neighbor, Russia, for which we have very little involvement, but for some reason are giving them hundreds of billions of dollars, which could lead to World War III.
You vote for a Donald Trump, And then maybe we get some border security that's imperfect.
You get a guy who's mean in the White House.
But the economy does a little bit better.
Jobs are coming back to the U.S.
The war machine starts breaking down.
You know.
It seems like that's the better path to take.
ian crossland
Do you think that this is like, hmm, I don't like bringing up God, God's way of saying, it's just so generic, but like, is this God's way of saying Vivek Ramaswamy should be the president?
Path of least resistance.
phil labonte
Personally, I don't think that God talks like that.
tim pool
If Trump is indicted, I'm sorry, Trump is indicted, if Trump is convicted and imprisoned and stripped from the ballot and then just one day is gone and no one knows where he went, They will then come out and say Vivek Ramaswamy once, you know, sacrificed a goat and punched a kid in the face.
You'll get all the craziest stories.
They'll make up whatever they have to make up.
They'll pull quotes out of context.
They'll argue that people have no right to change opinions.
They'll say his opinion from two years ago, when the narrative was different, is his principal opinion now.
And already some people are trying to do that.
He's climbing in the polls.
So what do we hear?
We hear like, did you know that two years ago, Vivek Ramaswamy was in favor of this COVID policy?
And I'm like, so was Trump.
Like, and then people change their opinions when they saw the data.
People change their opinions all the time.
And RFK as well.
People are like, yeah, but RFK said this thing about gun control back then.
And I'm like, and what's he saying now?
So you can believe that they're lying.
That's fair.
Okay.
But everybody said one thing yesterday and something else today.
I mean, because people learn stuff and they change.
But anyway, my point is, DeSantis, let's say Trump gets indicted, convicted, or again, he was indicted, let's say he gets convicted and he's removed from the ballot, Ron DeSantis jumps to the number one position, he narrowly defeats Vivek Ramaswamy, they're gonna come out and say he's a predator.
They're gonna come out and say he raped somebody.
They're gonna- look what they did to Brett Kavanaugh.
This guy was already vetted.
Brett Kavanaugh was already vetted as a federal judge.
He had gone through the process already.
Then, all of a sudden, out of the blue, they accused him of being a gang rapist.
ian crossland
Yeah, and Tara Reid was accusing Joe Biden of sexual impropriety, but she didn't get a lot of media attention.
tim pool
I wonder why. Yeah, I wonder. They said Brett Kavanaugh was party to events where men would
line up outside of bedrooms where women were held captive and gang raped and men took turns.
That's what they claimed about Brett Kavanaugh. DeSantis ain't gonna be immune to that. The only
thing stopping it right now is that he's in, he's typically in second place in some polls in third.
Anybody who jumps to first place is getting that exact same treatment.
phil labonte
I think Casey, the fact that Casey has cancer might help stave off those kind of attacks a little bit.
unidentified
No.
kingsley wilson
I don't think so.
ian crossland
That's Ron's wife.
phil labonte
You don't think so?
kingsley wilson
No, we're up against the most demonic, depraved people we've ever seen.
tim pool
They'll say Ron beats his wife.
They'll say that...
If Ron jumps into first place for whatever reason, a story will come out where someone says that when his wife had cancer, they saw Ron strike her in the face with an open palm.
Or whatever.
It'll be nonsense!
It'll be a former babysitter, and she's like, he once came home drunk and screamed in her face while she was sick, and then he smacked her.
And then he's gonna be like, this is not true, and Kate's gonna be like, this is insane, this never happened.
And they're gonna say you have battered wife syndrome.
ian crossland
There are really good Ron DeSantis deepfakes.
It really sounds like him.
Did you see the Steve Carell one, obviously, from The Office?
unidentified
I saw that.
ian crossland
Hilarious.
There's another one a couple days ago I just saw.
It's not coming to mind what it was, but it was like, please clap, one of those.
See that ad?
phil labonte
Please clap.
ian crossland
Ron doing something, something.
But they got his voice on lock.
It really sounds like Ron DeSantis.
So if they want to make it sound like he's doing something over a phone call or something, I mean, the technology's available.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
It's over for Ron!
Trump cheers new poll showing Vivek Ramaswamy overtaking DeSantis for the number two spot in the 2024 GOP primary, still miles behind him.
But many people are suggesting that the Trump campaign is propping up these polls, propping up Vivek Ramaswamy, because Vivek is no real threat to Trump and actually is nice to Trump, supports Trump in many ways, and may actually be, you know, just effectively on Trump's side, whereas DeSantis is real competition for him.
This is, I think this might be the second or third poll showing that Vivek has taken second place.
So if Trump is out of the picture, Vivek may come in first.
I don't know for sure.
In the prediction markets, we have Ron still in second place, but it looks like Vivek and Ron are tied.
And the only reason Ron DeSantis is above him is because D comes before R alphabetically.
As the people have argued, I don't know if that's true.
I think we can jump down here and just see that So right now they're saying that it's actually 17 to 16, so Descendants is in second place.
But I'm curious what you guys think about this battle and where Vivek Ramaswamy ends up, because I think... I watched this really great clip I mentioned earlier between him and Neil Cavuto.
Man, this dude is as sharp as sharp can be.
He's sharp as a box of knives, this Vivek Ramaswamy.
He knows what to say, how to say it.
And I don't think a guy like Vivek is purely genuine.
It would be absurd to believe that this guy is a saint who just believes the right things and whispers all the sweet nothings into your ears.
ian crossland
He's a snake.
I said it before.
I love snakes.
tim pool
I don't think he's a snake.
ian crossland
Snakes are dangerous.
They hide in the grass, and if you don't see them there, you're gonna pay.
He's the kind of guy that will go in there and change things, for the better, unexpectedly.
I trust him.
I don't know him that well, but I'm agreeing with what you're saying.
I don't think he's saying everything all true.
George Washington was a spy, he was a master liar.
That's my metaphor.
That's the other extreme.
Dude, no step on Snake, bro.
Do not mess with this.
This is what I'm talking about.
He's that kind of guy.
tim pool
I think Vivek has overwhelmingly positive positions that he's correct on, and there's a few things that he saw he was pulling bad on and probably switched the narrative.
That's normal politics for anybody.
I think overwhelmingly, based on my conversations with him, he's legit genuine.
He really does dislike the ESG stuff.
He really thinks it's a threat to this country, and he wants to win to push back on it.
But here's what ends up happening.
You're someone like Vivek.
What's your specialty?
He did biotech.
He did anti-ESG financing.
Those are his areas of expertise.
When it comes to issues of like government lockdowns and war and foreign policy, not as areas of expertise.
So he gets into this.
And then he's like, I got to figure out what's the appropriate path to take when it comes to foreign policy.
That's not my thing.
And then he comes out with an opinion that is Incorrect.
And he gets heavily criticized for it.
Then six, seven months later, we hear him again, and he comes out with the correct opinion.
That doesn't mean he's a snake.
It means that he was like, I don't know enough about it.
I end up learning about it.
And here's where I actually stand.
ian crossland
I think when I say snake in the sense that he's going to go in there and twist the pharmaceutical industry on its head, and no one has any idea it's coming.
Yeah, like he he's not going to even intimate his intention.
tim pool
I think snake is kind of implying he's evil.
ian crossland
Oh, well I disagree.
I love snakes.
I used to play with snakes when I was little.
A snake pooped on me once.
A garter snake.
tim pool
Oh wow, that's great.
ian crossland
Kind of like a bird poop.
phil labonte
Awesome.
ian crossland
Just right out the skin.
phil labonte
You know, there's a difference between snake poop and bird poop, right?
Bird poop is lucky because they're flying around.
Snake poop is just kind of on you.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was just on me.
I'm a big fan of snakes.
Snakes have no hate, man.
They really only will attack if they're frightened or attacked, you know?
tim pool
They don't really... If Trump is the lion, and they call the MAGA party, the MAGA symbol is the lion, what's Ron and what's Vivek?
ian crossland
Ron's the rhino.
tim pool
Vivek the snake.
ian crossland
Vivek the snake Rama!
tim pool
Oh, that's mean.
Those are both mean.
ian crossland
It's a dangerously powerful creature, the snake.
tim pool
Ron the Rhino and Vivek the Snake?
Jeez, Trump supporter MAGA 2024 Ian over here.
ian crossland
Well, I've called Vivek.
I likened him to a snake probably like three months ago because what I see in him is that he's not playing his hand.
You don't know what he's got.
And he's not a billionaire.
A brilliant strategist.
The guy is worth hundreds of millions of dollars.
phil labonte
Wow.
tim pool
Donald Trump is gonna come out in the primaries and be like, RINO RON!
And vivate the snake!
ian crossland
Donald Chomp!
It's Donald Chomp all the way!
That's if you want to hit Donald, it's Donald Chomp.
tim pool
Could you imagine if Trump starts using Ian's...
ian crossland
Yeah, that would have been so funny.
Jake the Snake Robert.
You know, Jake the Snake Robert.
tim pool
Rhino Ron.
Rhino Ron is better than Ron DeSantis.
It is good.
unidentified
Yeah, Rhino Ron is good.
Wow.
ian crossland
Use my powers for good.
tim pool
And Rama Swampy.
I forgot who said that.
Was that Alex Brusewitz who said that?
I don't think so.
No, I don't remember.
Here's what I think.
The Trump supporters like Ramaswamy for one simple reason.
He defends Trump on principle and correctly.
ian crossland
Well, he defends principle.
And Donald Trump's part of that principle.
It's not like it could be anybody.
Plug anybody into it.
He'd still defend the process.
tim pool
And so I know all the DeSantis people are going to be like, DeSantis said that these things were wrong too.
When Donald Trump was being indicted over the Stormy Daniels thing, that was the first one, Ron said, look, I don't know what goes into paying a porn star hundreds of thousands of dollars.
People were like, low blow.
The Vakes approach is, what they're doing to Trump is wrong, it is unjust, and we must oppose it.
Ron's position was more tepid.
kingsley wilson
Even the Fulton County indictment, he just, you know, gave a blanket.
I'll end the weaponization of government statement.
He always says I haven't read the indictment, which is odd to me, and never mentions Trump by name.
So yeah, I think Trump supporters appreciate Ramaswamy going to the mat for him and being true to principles.
And I think if DeSantis did that, he would have a lot more goodwill with Trump supporters.
unidentified
Totally.
tim pool
This is the funny thing.
I love that DeSantis supporters are the most entertaining people.
I tweeted, uh, what happens if Donald Trump doesn't surrender?
What happens, you know, will the feds be sent to whatever state he's in?
What if he flees to a red state and they refuse to cooperate?
unidentified
I get a combination of, Georgia is a red state.
tim pool
I'm like, yes, it's the one state he has to go to, to surrender.
So obviously I'm not talking about him seeking refuge in Georgia, where he'll clearly be arrested by Georgia police.
And then I, I followed up with, Ron DeSantis said that, That Trump should have fired these Soros prosecutors and Christopher Wray and all that, and previously stated that he would not assist in extradition.
So I tweeted, if he went to Florida, would Ron DeSantis stand by his word and refuse to extradite Trump?
And all of a sudden, all of the DeSantis supporters, not every single one, but a bunch of them start insulting and attacking me, claiming that my post was insulting to Ron DeSantis.
And I'm just like, yo, this is why the guy's losing.
His base, for whatever reason, Ron DeSantis has cultivated people who assume any discussion of Ron DeSantis is an insult.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
They attack anybody who brings up anything about him.
I can only assume that the Trump campaign hired shills to go on Twitter and attack anyone while pretending to be DeSantis supporters so that nobody wants to support DeSantis.
serge du preez
Dude, so I noticed a lot of the TDSers are the ones who support DeSantis a lot, and the TDSers are people that are extremely, extremely mad about Trump, you know?
So I feel like it became a thing because so many of them are on his side, you know?
They just kind of have this visceral reaction against Trump.
That's why they're voting DeSantis!
tim pool
There were a lot of Republicans and conservatives in 2016 who despised Trump and did everything in their power to stop him.
Then after a year or two, they were totally on board with Trump.
Why?
Because of social pressure.
Trump won.
If they were not with Trump, then they were this weird... they were Democrats.
And so what ends up happening is these neocons...
They split into two factions.
We now agree Trump is good, please don't yell at me.
And Trump was always bad, we're gonna go hang out with Democrats.
Then you get the Lincoln Project.
I love the Lincoln Project so much because they were like, now that Trump has been defeated in 2020, they're like, we're gonna start going after other Republicans.
And it's just like, why?
Like, Trump was the bad guy, right?
Why go after literally any other Republican?
Don't you like Mitch McConnell?
He's your guy, huh?
No, because it was grifting.
They just wanted to find a group of people to grift off of and make money for.
Or make money from, sorry.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, what I love about Trump is, like, he's the great revealer in many ways.
He's shown us who these people truly are to their core, whether that's, you know, deep state bureaucrats or your average never-Trumper on Twitter.
He has shown us what these people are thinking so they can no longer lie to us.
He's kind of pulled the curtain back, and I think that's been an immense service to the Republic.
ian crossland
Yeah, and that's why he has so many fans, a huge part of why he has so many fans because he just he talks straight and like you were talking about we're in the apocalypse we're in this great revealment time era where and he's just like talking about the deep state openly and like for people that had been red-pilled they already kind of knew but to hear it from the president while he's president is like Man, people needed that.
kingsley wilson
Or just even the D.C.
consultant class.
Before Trump, I had no idea how much disdain coastal elites or D.C.
Beltway consultants have for average Americans that just live regular day-to-day lives.
I didn't know how much they despised my values until Donald Trump showed me.
unidentified
Hatred!
Hatred!
tim pool
Can I also just point out With all due respect to Kyle Kalinske, he did not know what a farm looked like.
He took a picture from a plane.
Kyle Kalinske is a very prominent left-wing podcaster personality.
He's a good dude.
He tries really hard, and I have tremendous respect for him because he tries to be honest.
He just has different opinions.
That's great.
Him and Crystal Ball, they're fantastic.
But the point is, even among the people that we can say we like and are good people, he posted a photo from a plane of farms and said, I wonder why it looks that way.
And it's just like, he got roasted for it and insulted.
And it was mean.
And I'm like, yo, this is an educational opportunity for a coastal elite like Kyle.
to understand the world that rural folk live in by simply saying, my friend, good sir, those are farms.
ian crossland
But was he asking like, where does he think his food comes from?
phil labonte
He did not understand what he was looking at.
ian crossland
But was he asking, why do the farms look that way?
phil labonte
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
He said, what are those things?
That was the substance of his question.
He said, I don't know why the land looks like that.
serge du preez
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
ian crossland
I think we have the tweet right here, actually.
tim pool
It's this.
ian crossland
He said, You can hit the X above it, that'll do it too.
tim pool
Let's just do this and find an actual image.
Here we go.
He said, this is land by Colorado-Kansas border from a plane.
Pretty cool.
I have no idea how slash why it looks like this.
Dude, it's literally huge.
It's called farming.
phil labonte
It's called property lines.
serge du preez
How do you not know that, man?
phil labonte
I'm sorry.
tim pool
That's wild.
It is absolutely wild.
serge du preez
I don't know how you don't know that.
ian crossland
For someone to be popular and to be ignorant is pretty disturbing, but it happens.
tim pool
It's so beyond that.
serge du preez
It's like you don't know.
tim pool
How did you not know?
What farms?
My mind is blown by this.
serge du preez
Yeah, me too.
You can look at a neighborhood and see property lines.
Those are yards.
kingsley wilson
Even when you're a kid, Old MacDonald had a farm.
It's so weird to me.
phil labonte
What the heck is that?
tim pool
Sean Davis said, imagine being mystified by the existence of farms.
I am not bringing this up to, like, we've brought it up periodically.
It's from a long time ago.
What year is it?
I don't know if we know what year it's from.
serge du preez
It's a couple years ago.
tim pool
It's a couple years ago.
And again, like, I like how he's a good dude.
He's a smart guy.
But my point is not that he's a bad person.
It's that even when we're talking, you talk about the Beltway people who despise rural folk.
Think about people like Kyle, who does a show where he's very favorable to Democrats and the left, and he literally doesn't know what a farm even looks like.
These are the kind of people, and again, I'm not trying to drag Kyle, but these are the people that, when I've been on Twitter and was talking about inflation and disruption of supply line, when I said, what happens when this farm can't produce milk?
Where do you get your milk from?
They responded with, the store.
I am not exaggerating and I said, I get that my point is where does the store get their milk from?
And they responded with, what are you talking about? It's just there. I am not exaggerating.
That is a verbatim quote from people on from a guy on Twitter. I got into an argument with
socialists with sickle and hammers in their accounts. And they say things like it's just
at the store, dude, what do you mean? Oh, they're trolling.
That's no, no, dude.
ian crossland
And they still got you talking about it.
tim pool
No, you know, you see, you see the issue, Ian?
ian crossland
I don't take people like that seriously.
tim pool
I've spent a decade plus on the ground at various protests where I've physically spoken with these people and have experienced this over and over again, and you call it a troll, yet Kyle Klinsky did not know what a farm looked like!
ian crossland
Yeah, but a random internet commenter.
That's why I would say it's a troll.
I would just assume it's a troll first.
tim pool
A high profile socialist account with like 40,000 followers who post about this all the time that says something like that is no different from Kyle Kulinski saying he doesn't know what a farmer looks like.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
40,000 followers.
That's a different story.
tim pool
I'm not talking like a guy with 10 followers.
Oh, okay.
There's like a pro- They're like prominent- You know, I got into an argument with the Socialist Party of Great Britain.
That one was hilarious.
When I was just like- It was a similar conversation.
What happens if somebody wants to build a car as a hobby?
They're like, they can go and just get free car parts from the factory.
And I'm like, like every communist system, you can just literally, for no reason, go somewhere and just take whatever you want!
If the people knew you... And it's not technically untrue because they use brute force to do it.
ian crossland
Like, if someone knew you and they wanted to agitate you, they could message you on Twitter and be like, just say really inane stuff until you can't take it anymore, and then you come on TV and yell about it.
tim pool
I don't think Kyle's goal with not knowing what a farm was, was intending to trick right-wingers into thinking he was a moron.
ian crossland
No, I think he genuinely didn't know.
tim pool
From that tweet, it looks like... It's like that meme.
Haha jokes on them, I'm just pretending to be retarded.
Like, no, dude, there are a lot of people that don't understand what supply chain is, and the supply line.
There are people that don't understand where milk comes from.
ian crossland
But dude, milk coming from the store, like it just apparates at the store, is the most bizarre concept.
tim pool
You'd be amazed, man.
Bro, there's a concept of object permanence, but there's people who...
Let's try this.
You ever see that visualization test where it says, it shows a picture, it shows five silhouettes of a person, and there's a picture of an apple, a drawing of an apple, a flat, single, monotone drawing of an apple, an outline of an apple, and then nothing.
And it says, which do you see in your mind when you think of apple?
There are some people who say, what do you mean do you see?
You can see things in your mind.
Some people can't visualize objects in their minds.
Some people can, in their mind, visualize a three-dimensional apple, spin it around, slice it in half, open it up, and that's the visualization abilities they use for conceptualizing bridges and buildings and structures.
Some people can't do that.
Some people can't do basic math.
Some people can't make, can't think three moves ahead.
Not everybody has these abilities.
But everybody can vote.
So when someone says the milk is just at the store, it's because their logical capabilities stops one degree from where they are.
I go to the store and get milk.
What do you mean milk comes from somewhere else?
It's at the store.
Where we think, and this is where you can't project your cognitive faculties onto other people.
I can visualize the whole supply chain from the birth of the cow.
I've gone to the farms and I've talked to the farmers, and even I'm not an expert on this, but I certainly understand the milk at the store came from somewhere.
From a truck, from a distribution facility, from bottling plant, from a farm, whatever.
And there are people who can't comprehend that.
Now in the case of Kyle, with all due respect, he just had never seen a farm before.
My point is not that he's a stupid person.
My point is that he is pushing policy positions and encouraging votes from a place of extreme ignorance.
I am not going to pretend to be the smartest person in the room or the world.
I also do very similar things.
But I think, you know, my point with this is, when it comes to passing nationwide laws, I think it would be imperative for people like Kyle to step back and say, I don't know a lot more often.
ian crossland
Yeah, and being intelligent and being, you can be intelligent and be ignorant.
Ignorant just means you don't know the information yet, or you don't know the information.
So Kyle's very intelligent.
Whether or not he's ignorant about something, you know, a lot of people have things they don't know.
That's one of the great wonders of being a human.
tim pool
You get to learn.
And that's why I thought it was stupid that everyone was insulting him.
I'm like, dude, Kyle's a nice guy.
He tries really hard.
He's fair to people.
And back in the day, one of the reasons I give him a lot of credit is that he has consistently defended Carl Benjamin from all the lies and the smears of the media when they were falsely characterizing him as racist.
He would reject it and be like, dude, no, don't do that.
That's not fair.
Address the arguments.
And I'm like, this is a good dude.
But he doesn't know what a farm looks like. That means when he goes on his channel and says,
hey guys, you should vote for this policy and that policy, you know that he's missing a huge portion of knowledge in
certain areas.
I'm not saying he's talking about voting policy on farms or anything. I'm just saying,
you know, when people talk about stuff on Twitter, most people don't know anything.
kingsley wilson
Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, even in government, like how many people in the US
Department of Agriculture building in D.C.
right now have no experience firsthand on a farm?
Probably a large number.
serge du preez
Yeah, true.
ian crossland
Do you work in the government?
kingsley wilson
I don't, no.
ian crossland
Do you spend a lot of time with people that work in the government?
kingsley wilson
Yes, right by Capitol Hill is where our office is, so we work with them a lot.
ian crossland
Do you get the vibe?
Are they a lot of ignorant people, like people that just don't know?
Not stupid.
I mean, they might be very intelligent, but they just are missing a lot of information.
tim pool
They're stupid.
ian crossland
Do you see stupid people, too?
unidentified
Yes.
A big question.
kingsley wilson
Oh, there are certainly stupid people, absolutely.
But I think, too, it's hard to be kind of a jack-of-all-trades.
You're dealing with a lot of different subject matter, you know, whether it's farming, ESG.
You can't be an expert on everything, so that's where you have to rely on intelligent and capable people to kind of inform you on different policy for those issue areas.
tim pool
I have to read this comment from Chaz Warren.
He says, Tim, if you have pushed a prolapsed uterus back into a cow, you can say you know what the supply chain is like.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
No, I went to a bunch of farms in California and talked with a group of farmers.
I actually got a tour of a farm.
It was really cool.
I got to go to their boardroom and he explained to me that even though they were a family farm, of course they have trustees and board members, the family grew, it got bigger, they've got distant cousins and stuff.
It was really cool.
Got to walk around.
The farmer explained to me that kale became a cash crop for them because in the 90s it was a decoration and then the hipsters loved it and now we make tons of money selling it.
I thought that was really funny.
And then my favorite experience on the farm was when I realized cows weren't locked up.
And I was like, the cows are just out in the field?
Like, they're just eating right here?
And he's like, yep.
And I'm like, what if they leave?
And the farmer's like, where would they go?
I was like, I don't know.
They just leave.
And he's like, why would they leave?
There's food here.
And I just didn't even think of that.
Because I'm used to like, you open the door, the dog runs away.
You know what I mean?
But cows, like, they're not gonna leave.
Same thing with chickens.
Man, like, you learn this stuff.
You open the door, let the chickens out.
Chickens aren't going anywhere.
They'll wander around, they'll be dumb, but they come home.
You know, we don't want the chickens going out because they get eaten.
phil labonte
But cows... That's where the phrase, come home to roost, came from.
serge du preez
Exactly.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
And until the cows come home.
I was driving and I saw this big trail of cows, and I asked one of the dairy farmers about it, and he was like, yeah, the cows will go off and find land, they'll graze, they'll hang out, then they'll come back home, you know, later when they're done.
I'm like, wow.
But yes, I've never pushed a prolapsed uterus back into a cow.
unidentified
Not yet.
kingsley wilson
Never say never.
ian crossland
2024 is going to be wild, though.
tim pool
Well, you do want to get a cow for a free domicile.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
We might have to get more than one, though, because they want friends.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
A goat.
They get along with goats.
A cow and a goat.
The thing is, I think, what was it?
Cows produce like 12 gallons of milk a day or something.
phil labonte
Is it that much?
unidentified
Jesus.
tim pool
Yeah, 12 gallons.
Like, wait, wait, are you serious?
One cow?
That's too much!
Can't drink all that milk.
Yeah, it's something like that.
phil labonte
You're gonna need a lot of Hershey syrup.
serge du preez
It's like a dairy cow, which is a regular cow too.
Especially if they're in estrus, all that stuff.
Yeah, anyway.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's true, that's true.
20 to 25 liters a day?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's like six to seven gallons is your average.
tim pool
Six to seven is average?
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Oh, due to genetic manipulation and artificial high-protein diets, they can produce six to seven pounds.
tim pool
Nah, we'll just have the cow go around eating grass.
We got too much of it.
It's really cool.
ian crossland
Oh, one gallon.
Natural is just one gallon a day.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, that's a lot.
unidentified
Still a lot.
tim pool
Probably fine.
So for people who don't live out in the middle of nowhere, I'll explain this cool thing to you.
And for people who do live in the middle of nowhere, you already know this.
We have 50 acres.
So we have a deal with a local farmer.
He comes and mows all of the wild grass or whatever, bales it up, and keeps it.
And each bale of... I guess you'd call it a bale of hay or whatever.
It's not a bale of hay, it's just whatever is growing there.
It's worth like, I think, $200 to $300.
So for this guy, he's getting like 20 of these things, and all he has to do is come and take it, and it's his.
It's a good deal for us.
We get the land taken care of, and for the farmer, he gets food for his animals.
It's awesome.
And that's how it's been for most of the rural spots that I've had.
I'm assuming that's how it works.
But let's get back to the cities and talk about some cultural news.
We got this story from CNN.
You love CNN, don't you?
Pride Month backlash hurt Target's sales.
They fell for the first time in six years.
You know, I just want to say this real quick.
This is partly why they're so heavily coming after Trump.
Their cultural endeavors are failing.
Target's quarterly sales fell for the first time in six years.
As consumers pulled back on discretionary goods and fierce right-wing backlash to their Pride Month collection, Target's stock dropped 27% over the past year.
This is amazing stuff.
Culturally, the right is winning.
It doesn't necessarily, I guess at this point, post-liberals, you know, former liberals are now considered right-wing, with a song like Rich Men North of Richmond.
How many, I'm gonna look this up, how many views?
kingsley wilson
17 million?
phil labonte
I saw 17.
tim pool
Where did you see 17?
On YouTube.
Right, and then you've got all the different Twitter videos with 10 million here.
You type in rich and the song pops up right away.
Richmond, north of Richmond.
16 million views in a week.
16 million views in a week.
16.6 million views.
Amazing!
Some dude singing a song about corrupt government, failed policies, and he's just got a guitar and he's just singing and it's nailing it.
Sound of Freedom just passed Indiana Jones on a small budget.
They just did a press release.
Angel Studios did a press release saying all of their investors just got a 120% return.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Oh, that is awesome.
tim pool
Massive.
kingsley wilson
That's incredible.
tim pool
Makes sense, considering it was a $15 million budget that pulled in $170-some-odd million dollars.
So, I think that's what the press release said, $100.
Let me quadruple check here.
I'm not sure if it was 20% on top.
Like, they put in $100 and it got back $120?
ian crossland
I don't think that it's the right wing that's winning.
tim pool
I'm sorry, it's their original investment plus 20% so they got a 20% return.
That's still absolutely fantastic!
You go to someone and say, I can get you a 20% return in two years, that's really good.
ian crossland
Especially for producing a good movie on top of it, like a good product, so you can feel good about the money that you made.
tim pool
So while those good things are happening, Bud Light lost $400 million.
ian crossland
And what I think it is, is this anti-authoritarian movement that's winning, this libertarian movement.
It's not necessarily the Libertarian Party, but it's this libertarian conception.
People are tired of authoritarian crap, like finding out about the government, like all this CRISPR.
I'm not CRISPR, but like...
Oh, the PRISM program that Edward Snowden blew up, blew open, and like just finding about all this like totalitarian crap behind the scenes with the CIA and the NSA and all this junk since 9-11.
People are tired of that and they're pushing back against the corporate government collusion, this fascist crap.
tim pool
I think COVID did it.
ian crossland
And they call it right-wing, but that's a misnomer, man.
It is people that just do not want a top-down authority commanding our lifestyle.
And COVID had a huge part to play in that.
It woke people up.
They were forced to look at things.
tim pool
I think the COVID lockdowns did it for a lot of people.
They went nuts.
And there's a viral video going around now from a dude who participated in the BLM riots saying that it was one of the stupidest and cringiest things he's ever done.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Because now he's been realizing what's going on.
The smartest thing I think I've heard someone say is to say, what can we do?
How do we win?
We always say on the show, engage in culture, build culture, share culture.
And then someone said something brilliant on Twitter.
I think Mike Cernovich retweeted it.
It was, Sell them on Twitter and X. Convince them to sign up for it.
That's the easiest thing to do.
Because you don't need to say Trump is good.
You don't need to say RFK is good.
You don't need to say Vivek is good.
You don't need to say DeSantis is good.
You need only say, hey, you should sign up on Twitter and we can chat and share memes.
And then they're like, oh, OK.
Then they'll start seeing the retweets.
They'll see the news clips.
They'll see Joe Biden say, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not going to get a billion dollars.
Then they'll see CNN say it never happened and they'll go, what?
But I watched that video.
That's the thing.
Convince all of your friends to sign up for X. That's the path.
X.com.
Say, oh boy, it's so fun I got paid.
I got Elon Musk gave me a hundred bucks because I was complaining about stuff.
How fun.
ian crossland
I was thinking we should have on the show at some point like somebody that's deep in the deep state that wants to talk about it.
There must be somebody that's like tell us why because you guys are listening right now.
Why do you think it's a why is it good?
Why is this?
I understand like you don't want terrorism.
You don't want I can explain it probably in a rudimentary way that lacks a lot of information, and I'll explain it like this.
I understand that, but what aspect of trying to clamp down do you think is better for our
society as a whole?
I want to know.
tim pool
I want to talk about it.
I can explain it probably in a rudimentary way that lacks a lot of information, and I'll
explain it like this.
Lil Luke and Roberto don't get along.
We go in, we separate them, and we lock up Roberto Jr.
He does not know why.
We don't care if he knows why.
We just want him to do what we want him to do because we want eggs.
And that's it.
And we want to be able to make more of the chickens later on.
The chickens are probably sitting there being like, they're coming here and separating us.
One chicken's like, they're stealing our children and eating them!
And they're like, oh, here they go with egg gate again.
Omelette gate.
No one's stealing your babies and eating them.
That's an insane conspiracy theory, chicken.
My point is, these people in the deep state, they don't care what you have to say.
They don't care what I have to say.
They care only that their machine functions in the way they want it to function, like a chicken coop.
They wake up in the morning, there's fresh eggs, they get to eat them.
In their mind, it's the machine operates, they get big penthouses, they get to control military power all over the world, and they don't want to deal with China pushing back on them.
In some instances, they are working with China.
I think the reality is, the World Economic Forum, Western powers, NATO, Europe, and the US, Found out that very quickly the Chinese communist method was preferable.
So there is a conflict between the West and China, but these W.E.F.
elites and many prominent position people in the U.S.
politics would prefer a Chinese communist system in the United States.
ian crossland
X Space on last Sunday and James was explaining like it's come to the point where these terms neo-fascist, communist, neo-disney like don't use the word neo just call it communist but even then it's like when you really ask these guys that are trying like what do you want your new government to be they're like you know what I don't even care as long as my son is on top.
tim pool
It's Goblin King at this point.
It's just people who use power to gain power and screw everybody else.
That's why you see people running through the streets, smashing cars, breaking into stores, stealing whatever they want, because it's raw power time.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, and they're afraid of any institution that would threaten that, like, you know, the traditional family unit or nationhood and being proud of your country and being, you know, bonded to your fellow countrymen.
They're afraid of those forces, so they've sought to suppress them.
That's why when you have someone Like Nayib Bukele or Donald Trump, who is a nationalist figure, they yell fascism at them and try to use every force they can to cancel them and to silence them because they are scared of those forces because they threaten their power.
Because a family collected with other families could be more powerful, a nation can be more powerful than them, and that's scary to them.
ian crossland
What do you think of Nayib Bukele, the president of El Salvador?
kingsley wilson
Oh, I think he's a hero.
I think he has saved his country.
Absolutely.
I mean, he single-handedly wiped out the most satanic gangs in the Western Hemisphere in one foul swoop.
And now El Salvador is becoming a wonderful place to live again.
It's a safe place to live.
Businesses are going there.
It's incredible.
ian crossland
What did he do with the cartels?
Is that what they were?
unidentified
What did he do?
ian crossland
I saw like three, four weeks ago, they mobilized their military and surrounded a bunch of stuff.
Was that what you're talking about?
In one moment, he had them all taken or something?
kingsley wilson
Yeah, they've had a couple mass operations where they've gone and got these gangsters.
But yeah, he's locked them up.
And you know, you hear folks in the Western media complain about due process and things like that.
But when you have a country that is so destitute and with such rampant crime, you have to be aggressive and you have to use force in order to restore order.
And he has had the guts to do that.
A lot of people don't.
ian crossland
So you think there are people in the United States that have that mentality that they're like, we have to use force because they think it's that bad or they're being led to believe it's that bad?
kingsley wilson
I think so, yeah.
I mean, I don't think we're quite at where El Salvador was when Naibu Kelly, you know, took power and cleaned it up, but I think we're certainly getting there.
And I think when you don't have order, when you have complete chaos, that can, you know, lend itself to mob justice and things like that and a strong man.
So obviously that's not something that We necessarily want in this country, but if the right individual does it as Naib has done for El Salvador, it can restore order and it can let your countrymen achieve prosperity again.
ian crossland
Had it been chaotic in El Salvador?
kingsley wilson
Oh yeah, their murder rate was some of the worst in the Western world.
And now it's safer than most American cities in El Salvador.
ian crossland
Within over the course of like a year?
kingsley wilson
Yes.
ian crossland
Geez.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, it's incredible.
tim pool
Like I said, I was hanging out at, uh, I was at MGM a couple months ago, playing poker of all things.
And there was a dude who, you know, you, when you're there, you're hanging out, you're talking to people.
He mentioned that, uh, he was leaving soon.
And I was like, I was like, oh, you're leaving the States.
And he's like, yeah, I'm going to El Salvador.
And I was like, oh, really?
And he's like, I'm from there, but my family left, but now we're going back.
And then I was like, oh, wow.
Why?
And he's like, oh, it's got really better, really good.
Now it's safe.
Crazy.
People who had left the country to move to the United States now want to go back.
kingsley wilson
Also, people complain about him being, you know, a dictator and things like that, CNN, MSNBC, all those folks, but he's actually totally wiped out corruption in his country.
He's limited government more than any Republican president in recent memory.
He's totally shrunk, you know, all of the power that the legislature was abusing, and he's really kind of just wiped out the swamp in many ways.
ian crossland
Is he, like, he was elected?
And then, so, does he have a term limit?
kingsley wilson
I'm actually not sure.
Not sure about El Salvador.
ian crossland
I got that kind of vibe in New York.
I didn't wasn't there in the 80s.
But in I got to New York in the early 2000s.
And by that point, I guess Giuliani had cleaned it up like it was apparently hell on earth in the 80s.
tim pool
And then that guy's financially ruined now.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, it's crazy.
Well, I think the powers that be don't want you to know that you can do what Naibu Kelly did or what Rudy Giuliani did.
We don't have to accept this decline or this chaos.
We can totally reinstitute order.
We just have elites currently that are unwilling to do it.
They have no interest in that, right?
They love this lawlessness.
It lets them kind of do their deep state work while no one's noticing.
And it oppresses people, too, right?
It's dehumanizing, almost, to live in these American cities that are rampant with crime, that are totally deteriorated.
They want to keep your spirit down.
ian crossland
Yeah.
You mean the leadership does?
kingsley wilson
Yeah, current elite class.
Yes.
serge du preez
Yeah, because then your life sucks.
If your life sucks every day, like, you go down to, like, the street, you go to the shop, and then someone's stealing everything, and you're like, oh, well, I've got all this money, I'm gonna spend it on this food.
This guy just took it all for free.
It really, like, demoralizes you at a deep level after a little while, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
kingsley wilson
Yeah, you feel like things are beginning to fall apart.
serge du preez
Yeah.
And then you're not, you're less willing to like work for the system and then make it all work out.
tim pool
Well, it's, it's, it's, it's also simply this things get so chaotic.
People eventually just say, for what reason am I risking my health and safety for this?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
I'm going to just do my own thing.
And they give up.
They said, I would rather just plug myself back into the matrix and eat the steak and ignore all the problems.
ian crossland
To think that American leadership would let that happen just because... I want to think that they're overwhelmed and they can't stop it, or they feel incapable.
serge du preez
Not that they want it to happen so that they can strike with their Patriot Act, but... But current leadership would want it to happen, because if you don't want to go vote, then it'd be easier for them to potentially get their person they would like in power, if you don't go vote.
ian crossland
Do you think that the U.S.
has become a political autocracy?
Do you feel that way?
serge du preez
I don't know.
tim pool
It's a good question.
serge du preez
Uniparty, you mean?
I don't know.
tim pool
Here's a question for you.
There's a lot of people who are saying that we live in a simulation.
A lot of these AI guys genuinely believe that we live in a simulation.
They've tweeted about it where they're like, what was it?
The guy said, base reality happened only one time and this is not it or whatever.
phil labonte
What if He was wondering if he even existed, ever existed in base reality or whatever.
tim pool
What if humans destroy the planet with pollution?
Not like the Matrix with robots, but let's just say the world becomes crap.
It's garbage.
There's mass pollution.
You struggle to breathe.
You're thin and frail.
There's no food.
It's overpopulated.
So everybody plugs in to the simulation where you live this life instead.
Would you choose to leave this fake reality of comfort knowing that real base reality was horrifying and painful?
phil labonte
Oh.
Why?
Why would you?
ian crossland
Well, are we able to help base reality from this reality?
tim pool
This is the question about politics in general.
It's a sci-fi analogy for, would you choose to engage in politics, what is it, better to be a fisherman than to engage in the politics of man or whatever the quote is?
ian crossland
That was from the French Revolution, that was, what was his name?
The number two guy of the French Revolution, better to be a poor farmer than to engage in the politics of man.
tim pool
And he's basically saying, just give in.
ian crossland
He's like, I shouldn't have done it.
He's like, if I could do it all over again, I wouldn't have gotten involved.
tim pool
The reason I disagree with that mentality is, let's say that we'll use the sci-fi analogy of being in a pod in a matrix.
One day, all of a sudden, you start...
Well, you start coughing up blood and you're like, what's happening?
I don't know what's going on.
And then all of a sudden you go blind in one eye and you're like, you start shrieking and screaming.
And then in base reality, there's a guy bludgeoning your pod with a, with a mallet screaming and you can't see it and you can't stop it and you can't do anything about it.
That's how I view politics.
There are a lot of people like, who cares, just ignore it.
It's like, yes, and then one day a mob shows up and burns down your house and you never saw it coming.
You're ill-prepared for it and now you have to suffer the consequences in the worst ways imaginable.
And for those that were prepared and built a little bunker with beans or something, they escaped long before it happened.
ian crossland
Or has a strong community.
tim pool
Or a strong community, but those who prepared for the catastrophe before it happened are probably going to be
okay.
Like if a zombie apocalypse were to break out, and there were a group of people that were warning of it happening,
and they built big walls around their neighborhood and stocked up on supplies for 30 years,
when that happens, there are going to be people screaming, let us in, and they're going to be like, nope.
ian crossland
But the thing about simulation theory is that you can impact base reality from the simulation.
No.
Yeah.
You could fight the AI in the simulation and destroy its ability to function in the simulation.
tim pool
That's like a weird thing you made up, dude.
ian crossland
I don't think so.
tim pool
If you're in, like, when you play Skyrim, can you, while playing on PlayStation, alter the code and change what the AI does?
ian crossland
What happens in Skyrim is affecting me in reality.
Like, I get angry if the dragon kills my guy in Skyrim.
tim pool
Yeah, and nothing else.
ian crossland
So you can affect politics without paying attention to politics.
tim pool
You playing that video game have no impact on the outside world other than just you playing the video game.
ian crossland
But you understand what I mean?
Like, you don't need to be in- you don't need to be engaged in politics to influence politics.
Like, you can have no idea what's going on but make the best song on earth and everyone just votes the way you say it.
tim pool
Right, that has nothing to do with base reality or whatever.
If base reality is the non-political- I see what you're saying about engaging in culture in ways that are not political.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
But you have to, like, Richmond, north of Richmond, I assume that if I sat down with Oliver Anthony, he's gonna be able to, he will have a conversation about politics.
Clearly he knows what's going on for him to write a song about what's going on.
So he's in the fray.
He's not hiding from it, otherwise he'd have written some weird love song, or he'd write a song about his truck and his dog on his way to work.
ian crossland
I hope he has those, I hope he has them.
tim pool
He probably does, that's country 101, right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
So like would you see from in the Matrix like Morpheus went in and was like, Hey, Neo snap out of it.
And so he went into the Matrix to alter base reality from within the Matrix.
So if you could go be like a Matrix warrior and just be in this like.
tim pool
Fantasyland and still somehow impact people that's like the life of an artist maybe where you don't even touch politics But you have to I mean here's the funny thing Taylor Swift One of the most politically influential personalities in the world She wrote that song about how everyone should be gay or whatever and you shouldn't be mad about it I'm exaggerating a little bit, but what is it called?
You need you need to calm down or something?
Yeah, and like in the song it just caricaturizes and insults people on the right who are You know, opposed to gay marriage and things like that.
So she's influenced a massive generation of young kids to agree with her because they're fanatics.
ian crossland
And then if they do unplug, they've already got that brainwash that they learned while they were in the simulation.
So I'm kind of a simulation warrior, personally.
I love being in the game.
I like being part of the fun and kind of tweaking people's subconscious without overtly displaying the data.
I found that to be very effective for many years.
But also, it's important to snap out of it.
It's dark and dirty, but somebody's got to do it.
tim pool
It'll be really funny, just like, one day Ian wakes up and he's in a Neuralink simulation.
And they were like, the whole purpose of the simulation, Ian, was that you didn't believe in God.
And so he ran this, you know, 50-year life existence for you to hear the arguments.
ian crossland
Wow, I didn't believe in God when I was little and now I do.
That's so weird.
tim pool
And then you wake up and you're like, what happened?
And they're like, you believe in God and you've defeated simulation.
ian crossland
You believe in God?
kingsley wilson
Yes, I do.
ian crossland
What do you think it is?
kingsley wilson
What do I think that it is the creator of the universe?
I believe that Christ is King and Lord.
ian crossland
Like how did it create what like what do you how deep do you go on how it creates the universe?
kingsley wilson
I mean, I think that You know, no one really knows because no one was there.
I do believe in the biblical creation story.
And I think, you know, if God decided to utilize some sort of cosmic event, perhaps he did so.
He said, let there be light and there was light.
So maybe it was some sort of massive cosmic event, a big bang, something like that.
Who knows?
Um, but yeah, I mean, I don't think that all of this, you look at the intricacies of nature, how ordered and organized everything is, I don't think it came from nothing.
It was accidental.
ian crossland
Yeah, I want, like, there's no time, the time scale, I don't think there's time in relative to God.
So, like, all these, like, you might think some, some meteor coming is just, like, some random occurrence, but I feel like he, it, he, whatever, sets things in motion that might take hundreds of millions or billions of years to arrive and then, but it's all part of this, like, Plan.
And so maybe that's why I'm thinking about this Donald Trump stuff also.
tim pool
I want to show this comic.
I love this comic.
It's so good.
So for those who are just listening, I'll have to explain it.
It says, Silica gel, do not eat.
And the guy goes, those silica gel industry big shots can't tell me what to do.
And then he throws it in his mouth.
The next one is a picture of him with a weird cap on his head and wires, and he's shocked.
And two scientists then say, congratulations, you've escaped the simulation.
Welcome to the real world.
Not eat silica gel, please!
If it says don't eat it, don't eat it.
But that's just a really funny comic.
I don't know why this guy thought of it.
It was just hilarious.
ian crossland
What would you do, Tim, if you found out you were in a simulation?
If Morpheus came to you and offered you... That's a tough question.
tim pool
Uh, I'd ask for information on base reality and I'd ask for information on what the simulation is and why it exists and whatever.
I wouldn't make the immediate assumption that the existence of a simulation and us in it is a bad thing.
Depends on if we are base reality beings that are plugged into a simulation or AI-generated simulated beings, in which case we can't leave the simulation anyway.
But, if it was a Matrix-type scenario, and a guy like Morpheus came to me and said, you can take the blue pill, or you can take the red pill, I'd be like, well, you gotta tell me what's going on out there first.
Like, I know what's going on here, this is an existence I comprehend and understand.
You tell me I take this pill, and I go somewhere else, explain to me what that's, what somewhere else is.
ian crossland
I think Alex Jones did, on Joe Rogan's podcast, Interdimensional Space Aliens, man.
It's the machine elves, they're bouncing, they're coiling in and out infinitely.
serge du preez
Didn't he say, like, interdimensional, like, vampires or something like that?
Is that what he said?
tim pool
He did say there were demons, there were evil ones.
serge du preez
Yeah, that's- he said some more stuff, but yeah.
ian crossland
Have you got- you ever break through on DMT?
tim pool
I don't think Kingsley has ever done D&D.
ian crossland
I haven't really, I've never broken through.
I want to, I've like puffed on it in the past.
tim pool
Shattering the veil.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Breaking through, you know, was it breaking the veil?
ian crossland
I can imagine, like apparently your arms go out and then they go out forever in every direction.
Your feet go forever.
Like you just see the fractal repetition forever in every direction.
kingsley wilson
Sounds terrifying.
ian crossland
Yeah, like it breaks reason.
But maybe we need to do that, or humans can benefit from breaking the logical three-dimensional laws.
I don't know, man.
tim pool
Maybe we're all pieces of the universe experiencing itself.
That's it.
phil labonte
I do believe that because of the fact that we're conscious, we are the universe's consciousness.
Like, your knees aren't conscious, right?
Your liver's not conscious.
tim pool
I don't think we're the end-all be-all of consciousness.
I think we're microscopic in relative to the potentials of consciousness.
phil labonte
I mean, I'm not quite sure what you're saying.
tim pool
Human consciousness is extremely small, right?
Limited?
Yeah, like look at a dog's consciousness, a dog's mental state.
There is something greater than humans, obviously.
Or I think mathematically.
But I wonder if the next phase of life is going to be AI.
So, to use like Marvel as an example, the celestial beings.
These, you know, ego is a planet.
What happens when humans create nanotechnology and industrialize to the point of automation where you have an AI that can create more of itself?
It doesn't need humans anymore to facilitate it.
Then the planet becomes a big machine that then absorbs other planets and gets bigger and bigger and becomes this massive, powerful construct or whatever.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was thinking a couple of days ago, the AI, oh, what was that?
phil labonte
Paperclip machine.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's a great, that's a game you can play on the internet and you just, I was reading the universe.
tim pool
The whole universe is paper clips.
Paper clip machine.
Let's hope not.
phil labonte
Let's hope not at the same time soon.
ian crossland
Let's let that simmer.
It needs us. I think it needs us to propagate.
tim pool
So it wants us.
ian crossland
I can't tell for sure.
It might get to a point where it can subsist without us, but I feel like it's synergistic with AI.
serge du preez
Let's hope not.
Let's hope not at the same time soon.
Let's let that simmer.
tim pool
Well, whatever happens, it'll be long past the time we die.
serge du preez
So. Yeah, true.
tim pool
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I'm not your guy, friend, says I watched Alan Dershowitz's podcast from yesterday, and he gave a lesson on what the RICO statute is and how it's being abused in Trump's case.
I need a Phil Yell.
ian crossland
Yes!
tim pool
Well, there you go.
That was worth every penny.
Culture Obduction says, good news, North Carolina passed a ban on gender-affirming care for minors.
Uh, excuse me?
What did they ban?
Let me rephrase this for you.
Good news, North Carolina passed a ban on child sex changes and biological males competing in female sports leagues.
This is truly based.
Let the leftist tears flow.
Love the show and everything y'all do.
phil labonte
Yo, choppy choppy.
tim pool
Had to correct some of that Marxist neo-linguistics you were using there, sir.
ian crossland
Sorry.
tim pool
Guy Buddyfriend says, here's a couple bucks just to hear Ian Crow again.
unidentified
This is Roberto Jr., by the way.
ian crossland
I love that guy.
tim pool
I honestly don't think that's what he sounded like.
unidentified
It would go down, and then he'd try and keep it up, but he didn't have it.
tim pool
I wonder how many people just turned the TV off.
Alright, they paid for one, not three.
Coldy Locke's production says if DeSantis allows them to take Trump from his state, any chance of him regaining my respect goes with campaign chances.
This whole situation will spark a hot conflict.
The Dems aren't going too far.
I think they want a hot conflict.
I think they feel like they're losing.
Trump won the first time, and they were surprised it happened.
They had to go insane.
COVID is the only way they were able to win a second time, and now they don't think they're going to win again.
They need some kind of conflict.
Otherwise, they have no path for it.
Democrats know if they instigate the violence, they lose.
So they need other people to start it.
I know that if we stay the course, we get Scott Pressler to ramp up his efforts with 100 new Scott Presslers, if we keep winning in the cultural fronts with things like Sound of Freedom, with Bud Light failing, with Target failing.
Where we're going is inevitable.
Liberals, leftists, they're aborting their kids, they're sterilizing their kids.
Big business, Disney, is losing hundreds of millions, nearly a billion dollars.
Bud Light lost $400 million.
Target lost 27% stock value.
They're clearly losing in all of the cultural areas.
Nothing but good news.
So what do they do?
They go after Trump because they want you to think you've lost already when you're winning.
Don't forget it.
Let's go!
Big Buddha says, Tim, having to do some searching for your shows, you know it's election season.
Is Trump's indictment the end of the republic as we know it?
Seems like an irreversible precedent being set.
Rip Roberto Jr.
I think that it is indicative of some kind of civil war, as I've stated before.
But I think that it can easily be averted if we stay the course in winning the culture war.
Culture will then dictate what is permissible.
I think the actions Democrats are taking are so extreme, it's going to result in people refusing to vote for Democrats.
It doesn't mean they'll vote for Trump.
It means that they're gonna be like, this is crazy, I don't have anything to do with this.
It means you're gonna come to people and you're gonna be like, I know Trump is bad, but I mean, look at all the indictments, they're basically getting crazy!
Like, it's getting out of hand and people are gonna be like, jeez.
You're gonna get to the point where people say to the Democrats, just shut up already!
I don't care anymore!
And then that indifference results in Trump winning.
There's no guarantee that Trump does get revenge or fixes anything, but it's a start.
We'll see what happens in 2024 because I don't see the Democrats just forgetting if they lose.
I certainly don't see Trump supporters just forgetting if they lose either.
For the time being though, I think we're in a decent spot even if they are going after Trump.
So long as Trump plays the right cards, whatever those cards may be.
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Grofty says, buk buk people lol I'm dumb.
Well, that's unfortunate.
Gabriel William Paul, hey Tim, I'm meeting my cousin's husband for the first time tomorrow.
He was recently on the cover of a very famous magazine for his company's work with CRISPR technology, going to be worth billions.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
What should I ask him?
unidentified
I don't know, Ian, what do you think we should ask him?
ian crossland
Oh, can you genetically engineer people so they don't have to breathe, or that they can breathe only like every ten minutes.
Can you- Or make them see super far.
tim pool
Alter someone's genes slowly over time so that their body slowly changes into something else.
So I'd imagine what you'd have to do is you would have to create DNA with minor changes that don't cause your body to fail.
And so what I'm saying is like turn someone's hair, you know, brown again from white or eyes blue from brown or something or vice versa.
How long would it take?
And is it possible?
I'd imagine they use viruses, you know, they'll like put the new genetics in the virus.
I imagine it's possible, but at present technology, I have to imagine that it would be like every week you get a new, slightly updated virus to alter your genetics and it would take over seven years to fully change everything.
Crazy, huh?
phil labonte
But then you're, you know, you- Literally not the same person.
ian crossland
Would you guys do genetic therapy for anything?
tim pool
I mean, I heard they can regrow teeth.
ian crossland
Oh, hell yeah.
tim pool
Really?
Yeah, there's like research on them regrowing teeth.
ian crossland
Yeah, yes.
tim pool
Crazy.
ian crossland
Stem cells, maybe.
phil labonte
My teeth need work.
ian crossland
I wonder if I could do genetic alterations so my muscles develop faster and bigger and stronger.
tim pool
Oh, I read something interesting.
And people who are listening, let me know what you think.
I read that you drink a protein shake before bed.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, so no sugar.
And it says to aim for like less than 100 calories total.
And if you do 30 to 40 grams of protein just before bed, then your body, it causes muscle growth.
It speeds up muscle protein synthesis.
phil labonte
The protein that I take is Isopure, and it's just protein, so there's no carbs in it, so that helps you monitor your macros a little bit better.
You can get that and mix that with water, and it's just the calories from the protein, just whey protein, zero carbs.
It doesn't taste great when you mix it with water, but it does dissolve pretty well.
Take that right before you go to bed.
tim pool
I recommend the Jocko Malk.
phil labonte
I'm not saying that's the only way to go.
tim pool
It's less than one gram of carbs per scoop, 22 grams of protein, it's got monk fruit sweetener, which is allulose, so it's not an artificial sweetener, it's a fruit extract that tastes sweet but your body does not process it, it just gets rid of it.
phil labonte
Jocko Willink, you're talking about?
tim pool
Yeah, he's got his own protein.
Because, we were talking about this before, I bought, I think it's called Gold Standard or something, and it's got Splenda in it.
It's got Sucralose in it, and I'm like, ah, it's gross.
I don't care about that.
I will eat a block of, like, Ian's got the naked whey, it's just pure whey.
Like, give me that, I don't care.
But then I looked up, you know, No Splenda, and the Jocko stuff came up, and it's got like seven ingredients or whatever, and it is the best tasting I've had.
ian crossland
I see.
I'm looking at a ice up here right now.
They've got a vegan stuff to Taylor Silverman.
If you're listening, she's vegan looking for a good protein.
There you got based.
tim pool
I gotta tell you man.
I do not get enough protein.
I was not getting enough protein.
It's crazy.
I so I've been skating more.
And I skate and I get super sore.
And then I'm like, man, that kind of sucks.
You know, my recovery takes forever.
And then I looked up how much protein, it said a sedentary person on average needs like 40 to 60 grams of protein.
And I'm like, dude, I'm getting like 30 to 40 per day.
That's it.
And I'm not sedentary.
I skate.
It's like, no wonder.
So I bought the protein, didn't like it.
I bought the Jocko protein.
Now I have a protein shake within a half an hour of completing the workout.
Nice.
Almost no recovery time.
I wake up the next day feeling like a million bucks.
phil labonte
The best thing you can do if you notice that you're sore after you exercise and stuff, add a meal.
Add a meal and make sure it's a high protein meal.
That's the best way to make sure that your soreness goes away as fast as possible.
tim pool
Make sure that your body has the building blocks to repair the muscle damage that you Well, so C. Nguyen says casein protein, not whey protein.
Why is that?
Why not whey?
kingsley wilson
Casein's like a slower burn, right?
tim pool
Is that what it is?
phil labonte
I'm not 100% sure the difference between casein and whey.
I know whey is from milk, usually.
ian crossland
So is casein, yeah.
tim pool
I had choco milk before bed, and I woke up feeling better than I felt in a very, very long time.
That was crazy.
Spraying up, feeling like a lightning surge, and I was like, wow!
ian crossland
Choco's the man.
tim pool
Yeah, he's a cool dude.
And, uh, man, impressive.
I really love the getting rid of the garbage chemicals out of food thing that's happening.
I don't know if seed oils are bad, but I appreciate anybody getting stuff out of food that shouldn't be there.
If I want to eat a steak, I want the ingredients to be steak.
We've got the carnivore snacks, jerky, ingredients, beef, salt.
Works for me.
I don't even think it needs a salt.
I will eat it with just the fat and the beef.
ian crossland
Partly why I'm into stem cell meat, because the cow, you don't know what it's been eating its whole life.
You don't know all that feces that is passing through it, and like all that junk that is involved with that meat.
So like, grow it in a lab, you know exactly what's in it.
tim pool
Exactly what the life has been for that piece of... Yeah, people are saying casein is slow release, so have that before bed.
The Jocko stuff says time to release or something on it.
But I'll definitely pick up some casein stuff.
ian crossland
Do you do protein shakes?
kingsley wilson
I've done casein powder before in shakes.
Usually in the morning.
I probably should do it at night.
Casein before bed.
tim pool
I'm going to write that down because I'm going to order some literally once we wrap.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's to do with a good digestion time is what it seems like.
Really?
Casein takes a longer time.
Like I said, slow burn and then whey protein is pretty quick from what I understand.
ian crossland
Casein comes from the word casein from Latin meaning cheese.
serge du preez
And there you go.
tim pool
All right, let's grab some more.
What do we got?
Kurtalingus, that's a good name, says, Tim, several months ago I saw one of your music videos as a YouTube ad.
I was shocked.
I can't remember what the song was.
The video was animated.
What was the song?
I can't find it anywhere.
The song is called Will of the People, and it's because when we made that music video, we didn't really think about what we were doing with music, so we just uploaded it to this channel.
So if you search YouTube for TimCast Will of the People, you'll find it.
And now all of the new music appears on the TimCast Music YouTube channel.
And, uh, I think someone else actually asked about, uh, our, uh, what's going on with them.
Oh, here we go.
Matthew Schneider says, Hey Tim, when is your next song coming out?
Looking forward to it.
Let me know if you need an alto saxophone player.
I can improvise and play every major scale.
Sure.
I mean, perhaps.
phil labonte
Saxophone is wicked cool.
serge du preez
Yeah, alto too.
tim pool
Yeah, I like saxophone.
The next music video is coming out probably very soon.
I think in the next couple of weeks.
ian crossland
That's the one we're working on?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, we'll finish shooting it in two weeks, a week and a half, and then the post, I think it's gonna take about a month in post.
tim pool
Tough to say exactly, but... There's stuff being done on the video now, but the reason this one's taking a lot longer is because first, for the music video, Ian stopped eating and drinking for a couple days.
Filmed Act 3, then started eating and working out.
Got better, you know, filled back out and filmed Act 2.
And now Ian is working out and eating a lot more and then we'll film Act 1.
So that in the music video, he's actually slowly disintegrating and getting weaker and frailer.
ian crossland
Man, it was wild.
tim pool
Reverse order.
ian crossland
I didn't eat for a couple days.
I was down to 127 pounds when we shot the end of the thing.
And I was miserable.
It was like method acting.
Like I truly was that miserable character you see in the music video.
It's incredible.
tim pool
So it's going to be good.
We'll see.
ian crossland
Month and a half-ish.
tim pool
And then we already do have the next song after that nearing completion, but the music video, I don't know what it will be.
And then we'll see where we go after that.
But we're just chilling with it.
I'm not trying to force stuff out.
A lot of people are resistant to overtly political songs, and so most of the stuff that we put out is not political.
This one is passively political.
It has a message.
We'll see how much people care.
And then I think we're getting close to political season and we've got a couple political songs.
phil labonte
You can write political songs that people don't really... that people don't feel like they're being preached at.
Like there's a song on...
on the fall of ideals that's literally like I I I'm kind of nervous to say this because the left leftist might get an idea but it's a very it's very anti-fascist like intentionally specifically says I will not fall I will not fall down to fascist beliefs or whatever it's like and it's legitimately an anti-fascist song no one would know because I'm not sitting there being like you got to do this and you got to do that blah blah blah you know so Yeah, I love a million to one.
ian crossland
I think it is political in that it's like a David versus Goliath kind of feeling like that, you know, citizen versus this government Goliath thing that you think you can't handle this international government and like, that's kind of what it's about.
Yeah.
And that's what I was getting from it today while I was thinking about it singing about it kind of.
tim pool
I think the song is basically about people who claim that it's impossible to succeed, and anybody who succeeds is the exception, not the rule, when in reality, that's not true.
But it's both true and not true at the same time.
The people who succeed are technically the exception, because there's very few who succeed, but it's because they chose to succeed.
They worked really, really hard, and they found their path, and they never gave up.
The basic idea is, when they did these studies about what is the determining factor in success, they found the only thing that mattered was perseverance.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
That no matter how many times you failed, you kept working at it, and there are people who are wealthy and failed and gave up, and they're not successful, and there are people who are poor who never gave up, who became successful, and people who are poor who gave up and lost, and people who are rich who had perseverance and became successful.
phil labonte
I got kicked out of a band and then I started All That Remains and then I tried out for another band and didn't get it.
Both of those bands and the aughts like went on to be very big bands and All That Remains took a couple records to get ourselves off the ground but like I didn't stop just because I got kicked out of a band.
ian crossland
What bands?
Do you talk about it publicly?
phil labonte
Yeah, I was in a band called Shadow's Fall, and then I tried out for a band called Killswitch Engage, and this guy Howard Jones got the job for Killswitch.
Wow, you were almost in Killswitch!
Yeah, I flew out and filled in for Killswitch for a month.
They called me in the middle of the night.
Adam's like, can you get on a plane tomorrow?
And I'm like, can you get my dog to D.C.?
Because at the time I was married and I had my dog and my ex-wife was in D.C.
And they got the dog to D.C.
and I got on a plane, flew down to California and did a month of touring with Kill Switch Engage on 24 hours notice.
tim pool
Imagine if you got kicked out of that band and you went to AMC and applied to be a theater manager instead.
phil labonte
The reason all that remains is successful is because y'all ain't gonna kick me out and then me fail.
I wasn't gonna be the guy that failed.
There was a bunch of bands from my area that were getting signed and going off and doing stuff and I was like, I'm not gonna be the dude That gets left behind while all my friends go off and live their dream as rock stars, and I just don't do it.
I'm not going to quit.
I'm not going to stop.
I'm going to start another band and do it.
tim pool
I was talking about this earlier.
I've been homeless several times, and I once lived in a band space that cost $100 a month.
It was literally just a room, probably about twice the size of this.
And there was nothing else.
It was drywall and wood ply board separating you from the other rooms.
And there's a single shared bathroom.
And we had discarded van seats that we got from the side of the road to sleep on.
phil labonte
And it was just get you out of the weather outside, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Just give you something to have over your head.
ian crossland
A little bit of running water.
tim pool
I mean, I could have just went and did menial labor or some other nonsense job.
ian crossland
There's something so freeing about that, and you can tend to do your... I do some of my best creative work when I'm in those, like, sparse conditions.
phil labonte
You know what?
A lot of it is, hey, you better do some shit because you ain't got nothing going on, so it's motivating to go do some stuff, you know?
kingsley wilson
More freedom, too, because, like, nothing's on the line, so you can be risky because you have nothing to lose.
serge du preez
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Once we get the new space set up, we should do a big show.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
If you guys are interested in playing.
phil labonte
We can get the band, we can get the band, if I can get everybody in the same place at the same time, yeah.
tim pool
We'll do this.
I have a great trick to pull that off.
I'll offer them money.
phil labonte
There you go!
Dollars help, dollars help.
tim pool
Alright, ThinkOnThis says, regarding Trump must be guilty of something, Ben Shapiro today said that Trump literally said, look at this classified document, but I thought it was obvious it was an article.
T was talking about, is there another instance or is Ben just guilty as Fox in dieting Trump?
serge du preez
I don't know what Ben said.
tim pool
I know that there's an audio recording where Trump is like, he's like, look at this, you know, this story, I could have declassified this, you know, but I didn't.
And what people are pointing out is that Trump was talking to reporters, probably pulled up a news, a printout of a news story that said Millie claimed he tried to stop Trump from bombing Iran or something, and that Trump said he should have declassified the story behind it, but they can make the context whatever they want it to be.
That's the manipulation in the lies.
I'll give you an example of how they manipulate context.
The Ron DeSantis campaign took a clip that was shot and filmed by Elad Eliyahu, who is a reporter for Timcast.
They took that clip and did nothing else and put on it, paid for by Ron DeSantis.
I then said, they tagged the video paid for by Ron DeSantis.
DeSantis supporters then put a community note on my video saying, advertisements must label as per FEC rules, to make it seem like what I was actually saying, is that there was a full two minute long ad, that included my clip, the Timcast clip, that Ron DeSantis labeled the whole video on, when in fact what I was saying was, they posted only our clip with, it wasn't an ad.
The video was not an ad and they used a fact check to alter the context behind it because you couldn't actually watch the video.
That's the manipulation.
So in terms of what Trump said, it sounds like he picked up a story and said, look at this, you know, look at this right here.
It's like, oh, I could have declassified that because he's just speaking in generalities.
He's not saying that was classified, but they use it to claim there he was showing classified documents.
It's a manipulation.
And they didn't indict Trump over that story, which I think also proves he didn't have a document.
They were manipulating what Trump actually said.
phil labonte
That's not technically one of the indictments?
tim pool
It's not.
He was not indicted on that document.
phil labonte
Sick.
tim pool
Which again, implies...
He was literally... So we knew in the first place that they said the boxes Trump had included magazine and newspaper clippings.
Then you get this audio and it's like, oh, so was that the newspaper clipping he had?
I don't know what he's holding up and saying, look at this.
They want you to assume.
Don't get manipulated like that.
Ryan Jobs says, pissing off Nintendo with playing pirated SSBB and watching three hours of news entertainment of a place literally on the other side of the planet.
Surprisingly, this is a moment where there is nothing I would be more happy to do.
ian crossland
Super Smash Brothers?
tim pool
Super Smash Brothers.
ian crossland
What's the second B?
Battlegrounds?
Super Smash Brothers?
tim pool
Brawl?
Brawl.
Yeah.
serge du preez
Super Smash Brothers Brawl.
tim pool
What is it is it the new one or bro?
That's old one, right?
serge du preez
I think yeah, it's after melee so yeah, and melee was the best yeah You know what I really hate about video games.
tim pool
They'll accidentally make a really amazing feature.
serge du preez
That was a bug I think with oh yeah with melee it was wave dashing Yeah, and then they're like well better get rid of that really fun thing that made it a skill game mm-hmm And everyone gets mad because it's actually what makes the game fun.
phil labonte
VR cancelling from Halo 2.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
You used to be able to do a hit and you could cancel the animation so that you could recover faster.
And shoot and kill someone.
It seemed like one motion.
tim pool
Yeah, a bunch of shooter games have reload cancelling.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
So I think...
This could be Destiny, I don't remember, I don't know, but one of the examples was like, the reload animation took a couple seconds, but if right at a certain point when the reload happens, you switch weapons, the reload is complete, and you... Stuff like that.
Street... Street Fighter 2.
Combos were an accident.
And people... Yeah, combos were an accident.
phil labonte
No, I did not know that.
tim pool
Yeah, it was a bug.
It was a glitch.
You weren't supposed to be able to string moves together perfectly that would result in... Beating your opponent.
Yeah, with no chance to block or break.
And then people first complained, and they were like, yo, he just did three moves, there was no opportunity for me to even do anything.
And then they were like, that...
That's a feature!
phil labonte
It's called a combo!
ian crossland
Like, M. Bison?
unidentified
Psych!
ian crossland
I think M. Bison and Ryu had some nasty... Bison was supposed to be, uh, Balrog.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Vega was Bison, and, uh, Ve- uh, no, Bison was Vega, and Vega was Balrog.
ian crossland
It was, uh... And it was because Mike Tyson's, uh... Yes, it was gonna be M. Tyson, but they couldn't get his rights, so they said M. Bison instead.
And they said, we're gonna sue you anyway, because... And they moved the name to the bat, the end boss, instead of the boxer.
tim pool
And made him Balrog.
I love that.
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Ryan Tips says, for some reason, for the longest time, I had to go to a different web browser to see the show.
I was using a VPN in that browser, but I never had any problem with any other videos at the time.
Interesting.
No idea.
Big Dan T says, I am a circuit clerk in West Virginia.
The procedure of this whole GA thing is very strange.
The early post of the indictment tells me that the jury was either fixed or did not even matter.
serge du preez
Yeah, like the grand jury.
ian crossland
They said it was an accident, and then the girl said she accidentally hit send instead of save.
tim pool
First they said it was a fictitious document.
Then they said it was a sample.
Then she said the woman accidentally hit send instead of save.
The bigger the story, the bigger they lie, they say, right?
Asiri Design says the Supreme Court has been oddly quiet lately.
Hmm, interesting.
phil labonte
They're out of session, aren't they?
tim pool
Yeah, I think.
Paulie Shortcut says, Tim, Newsom resuscitates Joe.
What if Trump at Mar-a-Lago and Ron arms up with Navy buddies, state law enforcement and guard?
Would you vote for him if Don gives his blessing?
If Don, Donald Trump goes to Mar-a-Lago and then goes on TV and says, I will surrender when they serve documents to law enforcement in Florida confirming the charges and the time and date of surrender.
If Ron DeSantis then says, on TV, when asked, Mr. Governor, did you receive the charging documents from Georgia requesting extradition?
If Ron goes, we did, I received them, and I crumpled them up and threw them in the trash.
Next question, then I'd be like, okay, that guy's back on my list.
I just don't see him doing something like that.
But that would be really, really big.
Here's my question with all of this.
Let's say Donald Trump goes to Mar-a-Lago.
You have to serve people.
You can't just go on CNN and be like, I'd just like you all to know that I'm suing Phil Labonte, and he has to be in court tomorrow.
phil labonte
Shame.
tim pool
But that's not a legal serving of anything.
There's no way that's legal.
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
So this woman, what's her name, Fannie?
kingsley wilson
Fannie Willis.
tim pool
Fannie Willis, she goes on TV and says they have 10 days to surrender.
Okay, what she's actually saying is the law enforcement of Georgia has to send legal notice to Trump Where is he?
You can't just be like, he's been indicted.
He's got 10 days.
It's like, what if, what if you're in Alaska?
You know what I mean?
Like what if Trump was on vacation in the Bahamas and he comes back in three weeks?
He doesn't even know he's been indicted.
ian crossland
Yeah, making a TV show doesn't guarantee that you even saw it, or anyone else even saw it.
unidentified
No, exactly.
tim pool
It's not a legal process to be like, we went on TV and exclaimed it, so Trump should have known better.
So let's say Trump goes to Florida and says, I've not seen the documents, I've not seen any charges, I've heard on TV the same thing as everybody else, but legal process, due process, requires a legal service.
I await that legal service at my home, which I will gladly respond to when I receive.
What are they gonna do?
Georgia's gonna send GBI into Florida?
They have no jurisdiction there.
They can't.
They'd have to contact Florida government and say, hey, we have an indictment for Donald Trump.
Rhonda Sanders could then be like, shove it up your ass.
If he does that, then I mean, look, I'm pissed off about the deepfake thing, but it's not like he can't remedy that in other ways.
If he did something like that, I'd be very, very happy.
But we'll see.
We will see.
I have no idea.
I think Trump will just surrender.
I think he's gonna go there, but they're gonna put him in jail.
kingsley wilson
Look at the mugshot this time.
I'm excited for the t-shirt.
tim pool
I think there's a high probability they remand Trump to custody.
Because Jack Smith already made the argument that Trump is a flight risk.
So I would not be surprised if they go there and argue to the judge that Donald Trump should not be allowed to leave as he is the most serious flight risk of any candidate.
And the severity, the RICO charges, I have a feeling they say yes.
kingsley wilson
Also, the process is the punishment.
They want to inflict maximum embarrassment and harassment on these individuals.
tim pool
Rudy Cassone says Kemp is supposed to be a Republican.
These are state charges.
Why is there no pressure on him to pardon?
It's a pardon board in Georgia, not the governor can't just do it.
The governor appoints a pardon board who can then make these decisions or whatever.
kingsley wilson
He also, unfortunately, can't remove the prosecutor because it's a commission that does that as well.
tim pool
Yeah.
I think Georgia is a very, very deeply corrupt state.
And I have to wonder, maybe the reason Kemp is going after Trump is because he stole the election from Stacey Abrams.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
What if Stacey Abrams was telling the truth the whole time?
Kemp stole the election, and then they came to him and said, we will destroy you unless you help Biden win.
And then he went, uh oh.
They were like, we know what you did and how you did it, but we're gonna let it slide as long as you do what we want.
We'll let you be governor, but Biden wins.
Conspiracy theory.
Bum bum bum.
Let's, uh, here we go.
There was one about Vivek.
What do we have?
Christopher Daniels says 9th and 10th amendment time.
It's always 9th and 10th amendment time.
Promethean Healing says, Tim, have you ever tried raw milk?
I tried it a couple months ago and have been buying it ever since.
In fact, I had some earlier today.
ian crossland
As did I. Yeah, it was delicious.
tim pool
You said it tasted like cheese, but I think that was the peach.
ian crossland
Yeah, it had like, uh, it didn't, it didn't, it had like a cheesy in the back sides of the tongue.
It didn't like give me that salty cheese flavor.
tim pool
I think that was the peach.
ian crossland
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
So it was like a raw milk peach jam.
tim pool
So what we did was we went to a farm and I bought pet milk and pet cream.
It's not for human consumption.
serge du preez
Right.
tim pool
And then we ate it.
I put it, it was like one part raw heavy cream, three parts milk, and a tablespoon of farm fresh peach jam.
And a scoop of naked whey protein.
ian crossland
I don't think words can do justice to how delicious it was.
How natural.
It was like filling and I digested it rapidly.
It was so good.
And that's just, I mean the flavor itself was spectacular.
Amazing.
tim pool
It's crazy.
ian crossland
I felt so good.
tim pool
Yeah, indescribable.
kingsley wilson
You know what doesn't go bad too?
It just becomes yogurt.
Which is crazy because pasteurized milk goes bad just raw milk.
Pasteurized milk goes bad so quickly.
tim pool
But raw milk will just turn into yogurt?
Really?
kingsley wilson
Yep.
tim pool
How do you make it sour cream?
kingsley wilson
I have no idea.
tim pool
Because they're different.
I was in Ukraine and I asked for sour cream with my food and they brought out yogurt.
And I looked at it and I'm like, that's clearly yogurt.
And then they were insistent there's no difference.
And I was like, I can tell you that sour cream is like, it's like tart and delicious on everything.
And I would not want to put fruit in my sour cream.
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kingsley wilson
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phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains on X. I am PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can check us out on Apple Music, Spotify, Pandora, and the old YouTubes.
ian crossland
Of course, you're wondering how to make sour cream.
According to southernliving.com, you need whole milk, cream, and distilled white vinegar or lemon juice.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
Yeah, and you can go find your recipes from there.
phil labonte
Adding lactic acid and bacteria to a combination of cream and milk and letting it thicken and sour.
tim pool
Really, because when I buy sour cream, the ingredients are cultured cream.
Is that it?
Those things make cultured cream, so that's what they call cultured cream?
phil labonte
I think so, yeah.
tim pool
Interesting.
ian crossland
I'd love to make that.
Sounds simple.
tim pool
Well, I love sour cream.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland.
Thanks for coming.
Catch you guys later.
Bye, Kingsley.
Good to see you again.
unidentified
Good to see you.
ian crossland
Bye, everyone.
serge du preez
And I am Surge.com.
I am now on X. It changed to my phone.
I'll call it X now.
phil labonte
They got you.
serge du preez
Yeah, finally.
Yeah.
Are you with me on there?
I just hit 10,000 people, which is crazy.
I don't know why that I have 10,000 people to follow me.
I don't really say much, but yeah.
Cheers.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
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