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Timcast IRL - Democrats Indict Trumps LAWYERS, Trump MUST Surrender In 10 Days w/Conservative Ant
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tim pool
If I went to you five years ago and said that in five years you would have had a
have a series of events, the biggest and worst riots we've seen in this country in 50 years,
far left extremists would tear down the barricades of the White House, set fire to a guard post
and the church across the street, the president would be forced into an emergency bunker underneath.
Then later on...
Several hundred Trump supporters would breach the Capitol during the counting of Electoral College, which would result in federal agents raiding the homes of people across the country, even innocent people having their homes raided by feds.
And ultimately, Donald Trump would not only be indicted in multiple jurisdictions, but the Democrat DOJ would be preparing indictments against his lawyers, and Democrats at the state level would have indicted his lawyers.
If I were to tell you all that, you'd tell me I was crazy!
I know for a fact because when I said in 2018 that what we are seeing on the ground will eventually find its way to the federal government, I was told that I was crazy.
Mike Cernovich says that what we're seeing right now is akin to the massacre of Tsar Nicholas's family in the Bolshevik Revolution.
But that happened, I believe that was a couple years after the actual revolution, or maybe a year or so.
Not getting my timelines right on this one, but they brought them, locked them up, and then eventually said, you know what?
We can't risk your family surviving, and then massacred his family.
Call it whatever you want.
You know, we can say that it's a civil war, but I think maybe that's unfair considering that requires multiple factions actually in some kind of opposition to each other.
What may actually be happening is more akin to the Bolshevik Revolution, but call it whatever you want.
Democrats in various jurisdictions are using the weight of government to attack their political rivals to the extent that they have now in Georgia, this news came out, it dropped around 1 a.m.
or so, They have indicted lawyers for Donald Trump.
In fact, one of the lawyers for Trump is actually, at this point, not a big fan of Trump and fairly pro-DeSantis.
There's a lot to talk about with this.
There are many Trump personalities who started changing their tune a few months after January 6 and then a year or so after.
They're all of a sudden on board DeSantis calling Trump a grifter and a conman.
Take a look at the statements they made around or before January 6, when they were saying there was fraud, encouraging people to be active, encouraging people to go down on January 6.
I believe that there are many personalities, lawyers, consultants, social media personalities, who knew that because they had advocated for what Trump was trying to do with his legal team, Because there are videos of them advocating for action on January 6th, they would find themselves indicted at some point.
It's happening.
They're going after Trump's lawyers.
The next step?
Likely going to be personalities who are in contact with Donald Trump's legal team, who then took to the airwaves, be it social media, digital, or television, terrestrial, and advocated for his plans, his policies, and for people to protest on January 6th.
They'll say this was incitement and furtherance of the conspiracy.
In Georgia, they're already saying that there are many, many more unindicted co-conspirators.
In D.C., they're saying that there are a few unindicted co-conspirators, and we expect they will be indicted soon as well.
I don't know where all this goes, but ladies and gentlemen, escalation seems to be the only place it can go.
And maybe I'm wrong, and I'd love to be wrong, but every time something happens that's worse than it was a month ago, I say it seems like it'll get worse.
I don't know what you call this period where Democrats in multiple jurisdictions are targeting the home of the former president, the former president, and his lawyers, anyone who represented him.
We already know with the J6ers, many lawyers dropped them as clients or refused to take them on in the first place.
So let's talk about all of that and a bit more.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Conservative Ant.
unidentified
What's up, guys?
Thanks for having me.
Super excited.
tim pool
Who are you?
What do you do?
unidentified
I'm a social media political comedian, I guess you will.
TikTok, Instagram, all the platforms.
I also advocate for protecting children in anti-grooming with Gays Against Groomers.
Been part of that for quite some time.
And also sex trafficking in general.
I'm trying to bring awareness to it.
So, yeah, I wear many hats.
tim pool
Right on!
Well, thanks for hanging out.
It should be fun.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thanks.
tim pool
We got Phil!
phil labonte
How you doing?
I am Phil LaVonti, lead singer of the heavy metal band All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
tim pool
Anti-communist?
You got your work cut out for you now.
phil labonte
I mean, you know, there's just so many commies around nowadays.
You know, like 12 years ago or 10 years ago, something like that, I wrote this op-ed complaining about Tom Morello because he's a commie.
And everyone's like, oh no, he's not.
Are you sure?
And blah, blah, blah.
Now if I wrote that and it was like, oh, he's a commie, everyone's like, well, obviously.
And it's like, people need to, like, we need to... Go ahead, Ian.
So you think... I'll go on and on and on.
ian crossland
Because I'm considered anti-something, because like, I don't know what you are, but... Liberal.
phil labonte
I'm a liberal.
I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm, I believe in the Enlightenment philosophy.
I believe that we can know reality.
I believe that the truth...
It's part of what makes instruments phenomenal in science is that we don't have to rely on someone to tell us what the result was.
ian crossland
We have an instrument to decide or show us all.
I am Ian Crossland and I am drinking the pumpkin spice.
Latte mix, right?
It's light.
It is delicious.
I put some peanut butter powder and coconut water in, and it tastes like Reese's Pieces cups.
unidentified
Ooh.
ian crossland
What's up, homies?
unidentified
Pieces.
ian crossland
Let's get down and dirty, dawg.
Oh, earlier today I did a Twitter space with Zach Voorhees.
We talked about AI and God.
It was fascinating.
It's on my Twitter page, but watch this show, and the link's on my page.
I'll tell you about it later again.
Hey, Serge.
serge du preez
What's up?
I will definitely check that out.
Imsurge.com.
Yeah.
ian crossland
One final thing.
serge du preez
Okay.
ian crossland
I did an X space with the dude that owns SpaceX.
You think that was intentional when he bought it?
When he renamed it?
unidentified
You just wanted to do it because it was that.
ian crossland
Is it the guy that owns SpaceX?
phil labonte
Elon Musk?
ian crossland
Yep.
The one and only.
phil labonte
He owns X. Okay, so.
ian crossland
He does space.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, let's jump into this first story.
Here we go, ladies and gentlemen, from Reuters.
Georgia charges Trump and former advisors in 2020 election case.
Hey, hold on there a minute, Reuters.
Those were lawyers, not advisors.
I guess you can technically say that they were advisors because they gave him legal advice as lawyers, but that's constitutionally protected.
What does Michael Malice call this?
Factual, but not truthful?
Yes, it's factual.
They advised him, but they're lawyers.
Former US President Donald Trump was hit with a sweeping fourth set of criminal charges on Monday when a Georgia grand jury issued an indictment accusing him of efforts to overturn his 2020 election laws to Democrat Joe Biden.
It's a 98 indictment listing 19 defendants and 41 criminal counts.
Now, last night we talked about how The Fulton County Court released the indictment against Donald Trump prematurely, took it down, called it a fictitious document, then denied it.
Now what they're saying it was, it was a sample document and it accidentally got published.
It should never have happened.
So, uh, they lied then or they're lying now, but take your pick.
I think it's fairly obvious they were planning to indict Trump, uh, bring these charges against him well before a grand jury was convened.
And more importantly, They could have done it years ago.
It is being done today for political purposes.
I want to show you the indictment and some of the more silly elements of it, but the seriousness of it can be explained right here on the front page.
Fulton Superior Court.
The state of Georgia versus Donald John Trump.
Rudolph Giuliani, who I believe was his lawyer.
John Eastman, also a lawyer.
Mark Meadows, that was Trump's chief of staff, that was Mark Meadows.
You've got, who else do we have?
Kenneth Chaseborough, I believe was a lawyer.
Jeffrey Clark was a State Department attorney.
Jenna Ellis was also an attorney.
Interestingly, Jenna Ellis has been rather anti-Trump over the past several months and has been critical of him now, but also supporting DeSantis.
Also, people are pulling up very old posts from her where she was very anti-Trump early on.
Ray Smith, Robert Cheeley, Michael Roman, David Schaefer.
David Schaffer, that one's actually fairly interesting, because he met with an alternate slate of electors, then told the press, all that matters is if the court cases proceed, they'll have an alternate slate of electors.
For that, he's being criminally charged.
Sean Still, Stephen Lee, Harrison Floyd.
Trevian Cootey, this is funny because that's Kanye West's publicist.
Apparently she had advocated on behalf of the Trump campaign to an election official that they should pursue an investigation into voting machines.
That's a criminal conspiracy.
Sidney Powell, yep.
Kathleen Latham, who I believe was one of the election officials who opened the door for the Trump campaign in Coffey County.
Scott Hall and Misty Hampton, another election official, I believe opened the door.
So what you have here, you have a State Department attorney being criminally charged.
You have a series of lawyers being criminally charged.
ian crossland
Mark Meadows was the Chief of Staff of Donald Trump.
unidentified
He was?
tim pool
You checked?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay, that's what I thought.
I thought I was right.
Wanted to be sure though.
Criminally charged in Georgia.
Why?
Because of a legal theory pertaining to what the vice president is or isn't allowed to do.
Here's my view.
Mike Pence does have the authority to reject votes in the electoral vote count.
Richard Nixon had done it before.
He chose Democrat votes over Republican votes despite the fact that Democrats were certified.
This is 1960.
So using that legal theory and precedent, Mike Pence would have been able to do it.
Well, Mike Pence didn't do it.
There you go.
Whatever.
You don't gotta like the guy.
A lot of people don't like the guy, but that's it.
They had a legal theory and plan.
They asked Mike Pence.
He said no.
It's over.
Now, we can see exactly why Mike Pence refused to engage.
I'm willing to bet they went to him and said, if you go along with this, You will be arrested, you will be charged, and we will destroy everything about your life.
The interesting thing is, they kept making the argument the Vice President had no authority to do this, and then Mike Pence made the mistake of doing a TV interview recently where he said, I could have pushed the votes back and it would have gone to the state, to the House of Delegations, the House of Representatives.
So he knew exactly what his authority and powers were.
There were numerous articles written by left-wing personalities, journalists, where they explained, if Mike Pence rejected electoral votes, then House delegations would vote for the president.
That's the normal procedure.
So Mike Pence, Democrats, the media, everybody began lying, saying he never had the authority to do so in the first place, which wasn't true.
They then changed the laws later on to say, yeah, he can't do that.
But at the time he could.
So what we were really looking at was nothing criminal, but legal theory.
The next people, in my view, who will face criminal indictments.
Television, media, political, high-level influential personalities who were in communication with Donald Trump or his lawyers, who then went on Twitter, YouTube, Fox News, whatever, and advocated for these election strategies, advocated for legal challenges and to find votes, advocated for the Dominion claims, and Additionally, those who encouraged protest on January 6th, and those who cheered on January 6th.
There are a lot of people, I'm not going to name them, let this be their own business, that pre-January 6th were cheering, saying, yes, yes, people should go down, and saying that people should engage in certain behaviors.
Then January 6th happened.
Some people actually cheered on what happened that day on social media, saying, why are people mad about this?
Even at leftists, the Gravel Institute cheered for January 6th, not that they advocated for it.
Months go by, a year goes by, and you may notice that some of these personalities became hardcore DeSantis supporters and absolutely anti-Trump.
I think there's a very obvious reason why they were crying and shaking and begging in in hopes that if they turn on Trump, the DOJ, the state level prosecutors will overlook them and not criminally charge them.
Now, I can't say who necessarily holds those.
I think it's I think many of the people who turned on Trump probably felt that way.
I'm not going to say I can tell you definitively any of these individuals.
I will, however, point out Jenna Ellis, who turned on Trump recently, has been advocating heavily for Ron DeSantis and is now facing criminal charges and is trying to raise money.
The sad thing here is that ardent Trump supporters are not the biggest fans of Jenna Ellis now, and so she has no support.
She's raised a few thousand dollars for her legal defense.
I think she deserves a legal defense.
But by turning on Trump and trying to go into the DeSantis camp, you're looking at mustering up, what, 10% of the GOP?
unidentified
Yeah.
But does it matter at this point?
Like, if you supported that from the beginning, and then you, like, last minute ditch effort to, like, oh, I'm going to support DeSantis in hopes.
That I'm not going to get in trouble.
I mean, obviously it doesn't matter, right?
ian crossland
It's an ancient struggle session tactic to get someone to denounce their own views publicly before you serve their, before you take them to sentence.
Socrates refused to do it.
He spoke the truth until the moment he died.
Some people, you know, it is an old, it is an old battle tactic, an authoritarian tactic to get the crowd, because then you can say, well, they admitted it, so.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
She, you know, she, whatever.
tim pool
They're charging them under RICO.
ian crossland
What does that mean?
tim pool
Criminal Enterprise.
Saying that it was a criminal organization that was conspiring to engage in illegal behaviors.
phil labonte
I think that is ridiculous.
I mean, the whole thing, in my opinion, is ridiculous.
I don't think anybody that's charged Donald Trump is a Republican at all.
The entire thing is Democrats, right?
tim pool
Well, no.
Did they say Jack Smith?
Is Jack Smith a Democrat?
Look, you had a Republican go on TV in Georgia and be like, Trump ruined the Republican Party.
You've got neoparty.
phil labonte
You've got tokens.
tim pool
Neocon and uniparty shells.
I want to read for you Act 22 of the indictment.
They say on or about the third day of December 2020, Donald John Trump caused to be tweeted from the Twitter account at Real Donald Trump, quote, Georgia hearings now on OANN.
Amazing.
This was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy.
Now, a lot of people have said there are a lot of provisions in here about tweeting and one was insulting Mike Pence, calling him a wimp or something like that, and that these were illegal activities.
No, no, no.
These aren't illegal actions.
They are arguing that Trump tweeting proves he was engaged in a conspiracy, that he was advancing his conspiracy by tweeting this.
phil labonte
That's so ridiculous.
To attempt to defend yourself or use the legal means at your disposal to try to affect an outcome.
The point was that these means were legal to try to say, hey, let's recount to see if there was some kind of fraud.
That's perfectly legal.
The fact that they're trying to prosecute I honestly think the fact that they're trying to prosecute people that were in any way in business with Trump or on Team Trump essentially boils down to, and this might seem a little hyperbolic, but essentially boils down to the same reason that they just smoked a dude in Utah.
I think that the 75-year-old dude that was making threats about the president, they could have wrapped him up.
The guy could barely walk.
They could have kicked in his door and got him without killing him.
They didn't have to drag his body out and leave him laying on the sidewalk.
They didn't have to do that.
There was an intent there, which is to intimidate the American people or intimidate people that
are anti-establishment.
And the same thing is going on, I think, for the people that have worked with with Donald
Trump.
They're trying to intimidate people that are anti-establishment saying, look, if you would
help people that are against the establishment, against whatever you want to call it, whether
you want to call it the deep state, you want to call it the bureaucracy.
I don't give a crap what name you put on it.
If you're against that, then we're going to unleash as much effort or as much attention
as it requires to neutralize you.
And it's the biggest, most powerful government in history.
It can do multiple things at once.
Taking care of you, your issues, they can do that and still do all the same stuff that they have planned.
So it's not some kind of problem for them to shut people up or to shut people down or to intimidate people into silence.
tim pool
Do you think there were any personalities who got visits from Democrats, law enforcement, and were told, you're going to come out against Donald Trump or we're going to come after you?
unidentified
I'm sure.
And probably the bigger personalities, right?
I don't think... Yeah, the big personalities.
But then it trickles down a little bit too, because then you have the small time, right?
Someone like me who's on Instagram or any of us that are on other social media platforms that, by the way, the Biden administration is using young Gen Z influencers to his advantage where we don't, where the conservatives don't.
But could they go after us too then?
Could they go after the little guys?
Sure, they do it all the time by banning your accounts.
phil labonte
That's what they're doing.
I honestly do think this is all about intimidation.
I think that the reason that, like I said, that the dude in Utah got smoked, I think the reason they're going after all of the people that were associates of Trump and stuff like that, I think that it's something that the establishment wants.
Look, they've said clearly after January 6th, there were members, former members of the intelligence apparatus.
I forget the guy's name.
I think it was Brennan was the guy that was on.
But he was talking, he's like, anyone that has anti-government opinions or feelings, everyone in America that is right of center to some degree is anti-government.
They want smaller government, even people that are like establishment.
Right-leaning people.
They're ostensibly smaller government, but like anyone that's like a MAGA person or a libertarian or any kind of anarchist or independence that want to limit the military-industrial complex or people that want to limit the security state and the surveillance apparatus, all of those people are the enemy of the government now.
ian crossland
But the problem is, I want a healthy government, and if that means it needs to slim down because the government has become obese, I'm okay with the government going on a workout program.
phil labonte
They are not, though.
That's the problem.
ian crossland
I don't agree.
If the government wants to preserve itself, it needs to take itself seriously and restructure itself from time to time.
phil labonte
But it's got the guns!
ian crossland
That's why we need to restructure from time to time, as a unit.
phil labonte
How do we do that?
ian crossland
Well, Vivek Ramaswamy suggests that we cut the FBI, I think it's the FBI, and then send a lot of the, you know, fire a lot of the administrative guys, you know, but then move a lot of the necessary pieces to other parts of government.
Homeland Security, CIA, Department of Energy.
He has it listed, in fact, and I retweeted it.
It's on Twitter.
phil labonte
I'd love to point you to it.
I'm on the same page with you, homie.
unidentified
Vivek is great.
I think that he's a great candidate.
tim pool
But nobody can say his name.
The Cake Man!
phil labonte
We gotta call him the Cake Man because it's Vivek like cake.
We gotta call him the Cake Man to get people to remember.
unidentified
Anybody that runs or anybody that has an opposing opinion from This is my opinion from this current administration or the left is Automatically just they're like no no no no because they've now thrown out all these racist homophobic Xenophobic like all these words if you're for some reason anti-government We're seeing it now that people are thinking that the American flag makes you racist and like
It's just, it's a never-ending problem.
No matter who you are, if you come out against the current administration, you're wrong.
Whether it's Vivek, Vivek?
tim pool
Vivek.
unidentified
Vivek.
Sorry about that, Vivek.
ian crossland
He forgives you.
unidentified
Yes, thank you.
Or anybody else.
You know, I mean, they're even doing it to Kennedy, and he's one of them.
ian crossland
I think it's important to remember that anti-government and smaller government is not the same thing.
You need a healthy government, and sometimes it needs to be smaller or larger to make it healthy.
But if you love your government, you want it to be the healthiest it can be, and that means sometimes slimming down the bloat.
phil labonte
Well, I don't swear.
Love the government?
What's the love about the government?
unidentified
Yeah, not really.
ian crossland
It's a chance for us to, you know, coordinate national defense and protect each other.
phil labonte
That's military.
ian crossland
And economic, transportation.
phil labonte
I don't like, I don't want, I mean, well, I mean, obviously I'm as a libertarian kind of leaning kind of guy, I want the small, the smaller government.
So as much cutting as you can do, I'm going to be down with, so.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'd like to start.
tim pool
I want to show you a few examples.
So we did get a super chat.
Virtual Rifle says, read Act 156.
There's a handful of acts in this in furtherance of the conspiracy.
One of them is a good example, Act 156.
Donald John Trump committed the felony offense of solicitation of violation of oath by public officer when he said to Brad Raffensperger, a public officer, Quote, decertify- I'm sorry, he said- I want to make sure they- I'll just read it.
Public officer, he asked him to engage in conduct constituting the felony offense of violation of oath by public officer by unlawfully, quote, decertifying the election or whatever the correct legal remedy is and announce the true winner in willful and intentional violation of the terms of the oath of said person as prescribed by law.
That's probably the perfect example of what this is.
Donald Trump said to the Secretary of State, engage in the correct legal remedy for what is going on.
And that is a violation of your oath of office or solicitation of a violation of oath of office to ask someone to enact correct legal remedies.
ian crossland
In fact, he said, do a thing, which may or may not have been legal, or the correct legal remedy.
Meaning, if the thing was illegal, you instead do the correct legal remedy.
So how is asking someone to do a legal remedy illegal?
tim pool
Because they are just indicting.
Indictments don't matter.
As we've pointed out time and time again, women aren't legally allowed to skydive in Florida on Sunday.
Ain't no woman's getting arrested for that.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Disorderly conduct.
What does that mean?
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Define it in the moment.
I've seen people engaged in free speech be criminally charged with disorderly conduct.
That's a charge they can slap on anyone for any reason at any time.
And then they can arrest you, remove you, and then maybe you go to court and you say, Your Honor, I was just speaking and the judge says, okay, you're free to go, but you still got locked up.
If you don't get bail, you could be in there for a month or longer.
If you get locked up on the weekend, on a Friday, you're there over the weekend.
ian crossland
That sounds, what you just read about that, of him asking a guy to do the legal remedy, and then they're saying that what he did was illegal by asking that guy to do a legal thing?
I don't, I still don't understand that.
Maybe that's because there's something in there that was... Here's another good one.
tim pool
Byron York says, It has to lead to an illegal act eventually, doesn't it?
Look at David Schaeffer, GAGOP chair.
He meets with Trump, quote, electors, December 14th, 2020, explains to the press that electors are contingent on Trump winning a lawsuit.
And that is forgery, false statement, and impersonating a public officer.
That's what they're charging him with.
Alternate electors have been done before.
This is the Democrats just basically saying, we will do whatever we want and we will crush you.
And right now, what are we getting from Republicans in the GOP?
Angry tweets.
Angry tweets?
unidentified
It's...
I'm looking forward to getting a monitor in here cuz I gotta I gotta read this So and they want this to go all the way up, you know They want to prolong this for as long as possible because ultimately they don't want Trump to the Republicans.
ian crossland
Well, maybe both They want to preserve order.
That's for sure.
phil labonte
So the Democrats want definitely want Trump and I mean, I don't know I mean, I don't have a whole lot of faith in Trump's ability to win.
If he's the nominee, I'll vote for him.
I'm going to vote for whoever is not the Democrat, not Biden.
But I don't see that he's going to make a whole lot of, especially with all of the indictments, I don't see that he's going to be bringing a lot of people over.
unidentified
You don't think that this motivates people more to want to vote for him?
phil labonte
Not people that don't.
Not people that don't already kind of like him.
If you're not somewhat sympathetic to Trump already, if you weren't, I don't think this is making people sympathetic to him now.
unidentified
I don't think it's sympathetic to Trump.
I think it's more of a At this point, it's like, okay, because he's being indicted all these times, I'm going to vote for it.
I don't know.
I feel like it's a mind thing.
phil labonte
I don't think that you're wrong.
I think there are people that do feel that way.
I don't know that it's enough to win the presidency.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
That's my opinion.
unidentified
I mean, there is no right and wrong, I guess, answer, but... Well, I mean, we don't know.
phil labonte
You can't know until after, until the election.
But I personally don't feel like, I feel like there are people that strongly want Trump.
And there are people that are always going to be committed to Trump.
I just don't know that there, I don't know that there are enough people that would go over to Trump that have been in the middle.
I just don't know.
I don't know who that voter, the undecided voter that goes over is.
tim pool
I've, I've, uh, it's really funny.
There are a lot of people who are terminally online and, uh, these activists online say things like touch grass and it's like, bro, you are a leftist on Twitter who does nothing but just, we, like, I'm, I'm going, we, we go out on the weekends to various different middle, middle of nowhere places often.
And, you know, we talk to people who ask them questions and I found something really interesting between, with friends of friends, uh, extended family members and just people out in the general public.
People that I know a couple years ago who are passively anti-Trump have become passively anti-Democrat.
Doesn't necessarily mean they're going to vote for Trump.
But a few years ago, you know, we're coming on the back end of the COVID lockdowns and the pandemic and all that, they were very much on board with the corporate narrative.
Then you kind of destroy the economy, destroy their trust, force them to do things they don't want to do, lock them in a box.
And now I'm talking to some of these people and they're saying things that are passively anti-establishment, anti-democrat.
So I don't know where they end up voting, but if Donald Trump becomes the, once again, the avatar of the anger and frustration of these people, he gets their vote.
Someone tweeted a good point that people aren't necessarily voting for Trump.
They're voting for what the machine hates the most and fears.
unidentified
That's it.
Yeah.
ian crossland
I watched Trump.
He did a speech today, I think, on Truth Social.
Four minutes.
He talked about basically about Joe Biden and he could count on the Biden crime family talking about 20 million that they got from, geez, was it China or Ukraine?
Where's, Bidens are getting their money from all over foreign states.
And like that's what people are voting against.
I think when you're talking about voting against the narrative, it's voting against a president who had a son.
Our president's son was on the board of a, uh, in a random country on earth, some Ukraine, halfway across earth.
The president's son was on a energy board in some crazy foreign country.
And the guy was a crackhead.
What in the, and now it's at war with Russia.
Like what in the hell?
Put these pieces together.
Uh, and that's what people are voting against.
If they start, if they vote against them.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story from Yahoo!
Huffington Post.
Jenna Ellis mocked for invoking God after getting indicted.
Well, you know, let her invoke whatever she wants to invoke.
She tweeted, The Democrats and the Fulton County DA are criminalizing the practice of law.
I am resolved to trust the Lord and I will simply continue to honor, praise, and serve him.
I am deeply appreciative of all my friends who have reached out, offering encouragement and support.
Jenna Ellis was a lawyer for Trump.
Now she's getting roasted by Trump's most ardent supporters.
We've got this tweet from Laura Loomer.
Professional liar and Trump backstabber Jenna Ellis was indicted last night.
For the last several months, she has been attacking Donald Trump online with Team DeSantis.
She betrayed Donald Trump, I personally think she intentionally sabotaged him because I can't fathom how anyone can be as stupid as she is, and decided to support Ron DeSantis instead.
She's been attacking Trump online for having his PAC pay his legal fees, even though his supporters are more than happy to donate to the cause.
Jenna has called Trump supporters grifters, and she's been retweeting other DeSantis supporters who attacked Donald Trump.
Now she is crying online begging Trump supporters to donate to her legal defense fund.
Laura goes on and calls her vile and a liar.
But I do think it's really interesting.
I'm not going to say I can speak for Jenna Ellis personally, specifically.
I have no idea.
But there are many people Who, hey, go look at their YouTube videos, go look at things they said when they were guests on TV shows.
Who advocated for action on January 6th, who advocated for Donald Trump's legal actions, who advocated for alternate slates of electors and all of these things.
Directly demanding it be done, saying that people should occupy or people should do this, that or otherwise.
How long do you think until Democrats in various jurisdictions start going after them saying that they were inciting and encouraging and those that were in communication with Donald Trump were acting in furtherance of the conspiracy?
ian crossland
I don't.
Well, my thought is.
It's tough to tell, but what they want is Donald Trump to not be president and for there to be order across the United States.
So if they start persecuting the population, I think that will serve as a breakdown of order.
I don't know how far, you know, like when you get what you want, you don't want to take any more than that.
You got enough?
tim pool
You're saying that they fear they could go too far?
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
I'm not so sure.
I don't think they care how far they go.
We have not seen an instance of de-escalation.
phil labonte
Yeah, I was just going to say, where's the off-ramp?
What's the off-ramp?
What is the thing that makes someone say, we don't escalate, we don't take it to the next obvious level?
tim pool
Federal law enforcement raided the home of some woman in Alaska because she looked like another woman who went into the Capitol.
If they are willing There's a man locked up right now, it's been two and a half years, without charge or trial, because he won't disavow Donald Trump.
He's in DC, in prison.
If they're willing to do that to random people...
Are you saying that they would just decide, like, well, this guy's got a million followers on, you know, Twitter or whatever, and he was telling people to go there and engage in this behavior.
You think they're going to ignore Alex Jones?
Well, if random... Alex Jones was leading one of the rallies outside the Capitol building.
Now he said, don't go in.
But they're not, they don't care.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Well, they're not doing it to random, necessarily random people.
The guy was at Jan 6.
That's why he's... And the woman, they thought she was at Jan 6.
phil labonte
It'll be the people with the wrong political... No, but they have... It's not going to be random.
unidentified
They have done random stuff.
I believe.
Not random.
They have not gone after random people.
phil labonte
It's always politically motivated.
There's always people with the wrong political opinion.
So it's not random.
unidentified
No, right.
tim pool
I think he's saying people who weren't at January 6th.
unidentified
Correct.
Yeah.
I have heard.
That they have gone to people's homes that weren't even at Jan 6 and that's to your point What if I did a podcast two years ago, and I said yeah, I really don't care what happened on January 6 like Sure, it was fine.
They can just come to you and come knock on your door and say hey you Because you agreed with what happened on j6.
tim pool
We're taking you in well I think more likely they're gonna go to the individuals that pre January 6 Who were telling people to go there, and there are a lot of quotes that I won't say, but they were people who were advocating for direct action at the Capitol.
Not that these people were never there, but they're going to say that they were inciting insurrection.
More importantly, there are high-profile personalities who were in direct communication with Trump and his legal team and then went on TV or YouTube or whatever and said, either as guests or hosts, this is the plan, this is what they're doing, it's totally legal, and everyone should support them for it.
They're going to say, that person was part of the conspiracy.
Trump told them we need to build support, use your platform to encourage everyone to help us, and they're gonna say it was a conspiracy.
ian crossland
There might be people that wanted a march on the Capitol, and a siege of the Capitol, and then a prevention of the legal process.
There might be people that did that.
But a lot of those people were just there, and that emergent phenomenon of mob mentality took over.
A lot of people were waved in by cops, I've heard.
tim pool
Cops were taking selfies with people.
ian crossland
Yeah, it wasn't like everyone went there to overthrow the government.
That's not what happened.
A lot of people got wrapped up in this.
And I don't even know if Donald Trump wanted to overthrow the government.
I don't know.
tim pool
This is the point.
If they're willing to go after some 60-year-old dude who walked around outside and didn't even go in the building.
There are people who are criminally charged who never entered the building, but they were on the grounds, and that's good enough.
If they're gonna go after them, to the extent where they went to a woman's house in Alaska, and she wasn't even in the building, and raided her home.
phil labonte
She was actually in Washington, though.
tim pool
She was in Washington at the Trump speech or whatever, but she never went in the Capitol building.
She looked like someone because she had a similar coat, so they raided her house.
unidentified
Well, there's people that were saying that there were hot dog vendors there, there were people that were playing music.
They went for people that were on the outskirts of all of this that was going on.
If you were in a picture, oh, we know that, we see that person, we're gonna go ahead and you're arrested, we're closing your bank account down, we're doing this, doing that, locking you up, whatever, whatever they did to him, I have no idea, I wasn't there.
But I will say this, as an influencer online, Was I asked by followers?
Hey, are you going to go?
I didn't think it was gonna go that way I thought it was gonna go like a totally different way We're like we were gonna get hurt because people didn't like Trump supporters.
So I was like, I'm good on this one I would recommend you guys don't go right because maybe we'll get hurt But they could go after all the little guys like myself at the time that might have been like go there Let's go there.
Let's let's It's just crazy.
tim pool
I think it's gonna be bigger personalities because as we move into 2024, their goal is to silence anyone who would provide public support for Trump.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So first they go for his legal team.
Anybody who helped him.
Many of the J6ers can't get lawyers.
Then they're going to target moderate to large personalities who are in the Trump periphery, who are advocating for and supporting Trump's presidency because they want to hurt that.
They want people to fear supporting Trump.
unidentified
Fear.
tim pool
And there are a lot of people who used to be the most ardent Trump supporters who turned on a dime and are now saying Trump's a grifter and a conman and DeSantis is the light in the way.
And I just think that's very, very funny because I think these people posted YouTube videos You know, where they were very, very on board with Trump, and now all of a sudden they're panicking.
Right?
I think they started to get scared.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
You know, I've heard, there's background talk, and I try to avoid saying stuff like this, but I'm sure most of you who are listening have heard something to this effect.
That people believe Ron DeSantis is a deep state plant.
It's a little bit of an exaggeration.
Donald Trump supported Ron DeSantis, so whatever.
But there are people who believe that DeSantis is supported by deep state elements, by these, you know, uniparty fundraisers, so that he can be the safe landing for Trump supporters, an off-ramp for them.
They want total control.
The Uniparty will take control.
Donald Trump is an anomalous.
How do you get people to stop supporting Trump and support someone who's your controlled opposition?
Ron DeSantis.
Does all the culture war stuff right.
Florida looks really good.
But then when Trump comes back, Ron can't manage the campaign, and then he fumbles.
But there are a lot of people who believe that.
And again, I'm not saying that's true.
I'm saying that when you backdoor private conversations with people involved in politics, their attitude is you see the people who begin funding Ron DeSantis, and it looks like they're hoping he can be more controllable than Trump, and Trump supporters will back him.
unidentified
Well, the only way you're going to get a Trump supporter to not support Trump is do all this other stuff that we're talking about to him, because then you won't have a choice if he's not on the ticket, right?
Then by default, then you would go for someone like DeSantis.
Trump isn't going to lose his current supporters.
He never will.
Sorry, but he can skin a cat online, and people will have excuses for why he did that, and they're still gonna vote for him.
His base is strong, in my opinion.
ian crossland
There are, yeah.
unidentified
And the only way you're gonna get those, sorry, but the only way you're gonna get... I mean, I love him.
Like, I love what he did for the country.
So, for me, I never wavered from that.
I'm Floridian so I think Ron DeSantis needs to fix what Hurricane Ian did to us last year before he starts running around the country doing all this presidential stuff.
But you have to get rid of Trump somehow in order for his supporters to not have him to vote for.
ian crossland
There are instances of people that are like, well, Vivek's younger, smarter, faster, and he wants to continue what some of the policies Trump was doing.
I'm going with the younger, smarter candidate.
There are some people.
I think you're right for the most part.
The people that are emotionally invested in a human tend to stay emotionally invested in the human.
I personally serve a function.
I serve the function of president, and I don't care what person it is at the moment.
I want the best candidate.
unidentified
Right.
Policy.
ian crossland
Policy, personnel, temperament, policy, things like that.
Temperament's a big part of it.
The big part of where Trump's misgivings is that people don't like him.
That he's alienated and insulted so many people that behind the scenes are like, yo, get rid of that guy, he's an asshole.
Like, we don't want... That's the same thing that happened to Socrates.
I'm not gonna brag about Socrates all night, but that's the same thing.
Socrates, brilliant man, poor social skills.
Pissed off too many people in high up positions.
So, that's a problem with temperament.
And you need to be a grand unifier presidential... I want to read this tweet from Mike Cernovich.
tim pool
We have an initial tweet from J. Michael Waller who said, not even the Soviet Communist Party did this type of legal weaponization during its last years in power.
Mike Cernovich says, right.
We are in the early stages where Bolsheviks are shoring up power.
The Cold War analogies don't hold up.
We are in the quote, the czar and his family are massacred phase of history.
I'm curious what you guys think.
Because obviously, you know, I was probably still trending on Twitter.
I was trending all day for saying, for like the 800th time, you are in a civil war.
But this one time, people were shocked that I said it.
Oh, come on, it's a meme.
But I don't know if civil war is a fair way to assess it, because we may not be in active war, as some people describe it, but I think at the fundamental definition of multiple factions fighting over control of government, you are certainly in something akin to that.
And many people say, well, maybe it's a cold civil war, and that's a fair point as well, or it could just be a Bolshevik communist or communist revolution.
phil labonte
I've said a bunch of times I think that we're in the middle of a cultural revolution in the United States, similar to the one that happened in China.
tim pool
A communist revolution?
phil labonte
A cultural revolution.
Yeah, I know, but... Communist, yeah.
ian crossland
Communists are involved, that's for sure.
phil labonte
Yeah, the thing is that it's not communist like, you know, back in the day, like the philosophies have evolved.
So this is a, you want to call it neo-communist or something like that, neo-Marxist, that's fine because it's a new version, it's based...
You know, there's, it's like there's multiple different kind of, it's almost like it's a religion, one overarching religion, and there's different sects of it, you know what I mean?
So I'm not, like, I know I've seen on Twitter there are people that are upset that you said that and stuff, but it's like, I've kind of felt like we're in the middle of a, not an actual civil war, obviously, because there's not, you know, Considerable violence in the street between warring factions, but we are in an information war.
unidentified
Isn't there?
phil labonte
No, there's not like there's not there's not okay there because I'm talking about like actual gunfights.
Oh, yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
And that's and that's what they're that's what they're the people that are upset.
They're upset because Civil War brings to mind gunfights in American streets, and that's what they don't want people to be referring to.
And so I want to be completely clear.
We are not in a Civil Cold Civil War, because there's not gunfights over territory with factions fighting the United States government, fighting each other.
There's an information war going on, I agree with that.
tim pool
Cold Civil War.
phil labonte
Cold Civil War is fine.
tim pool
We're in a Civil War period.
phil labonte
Yes, those I agree with, but it's not gunfights.
tim pool
We've already had people killed.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
We've had numerous... There's political violence, there's... Occupations, autonomous zones.
Weaponization of government by one faction? Yeah, one faction arresting their
phil labonte
political opponents. All of this, that's why I said earlier today, all the stuff
that's happening here, people that are outside of the United States context,
outside of the Western context, when they look at us and they see, oh one political
party is persecuting their opponents, they're arresting people, they're
charging as lawyers, blah blah blah.
They see that and they are like, that is all Banana Republic shit.
And no matter how much Bill Kristol and the morons at the New York Times want to shove their head in the sand and swear up and down that America's different, the rest of the world sees right through their horseshit.
Right through it.
Because only Unreliable and furthermore, again, the fact that this makes America look unreliable only hurts the dollar when it's never been weaker, when we've never had more debt, when we've never had a
Well, it's been a long time since we've had the type of income inequality that we do have in the U.S.
There are a lot of problems that all of this stuff only makes worse, you know?
tim pool
So I don't see... Stephen Marsh says that we're in civil strife, which is the period that occurs right before a civil war happens.
phil labonte
Civil strife.
tim pool
Civil strife is when you have, I think, what do you say, like 70 or more per year political deaths, and the U.S.
is well beyond that.
Most people just don't track these things.
But what people also don't realize, and I have to say this every single time, there was a revolution in Egypt.
Two of them, actually, within like a span of a year of each other.
If you went to the mall, you wouldn't know anything was going on.
And because of this, people watch movies, And they think civil war means you look out your window and guys in uniforms are marching down the street.
unidentified
Yeah, it looks different.
tim pool
Go watch the videos of the Syrian civil war where you see people walking around with groceries and going grocery shopping.
People don't stop surviving and living and doing basic things like eating food and going to the grocery store simply because somewhere there's fighting going on.
When I worked for Vice, we wanted to do this documentary on Syria, this is like the peak of the civil war, because in Damascus they were advertising tourism.
In the United States, we were getting ads for Damascus nightlife, and we thought that would be absolutely wild to go to Damascus and document how people were just living their lives while there's like sarin gas attacks happening 50 miles away, highways being taken over, people were blowing each other up with shells and there's snipers everywhere, but in the city, You wouldn't have known, for the most part.
So because of, I think, condensed history and movies, people assume that there can't be any kind of warfare because the average person is going grocery shopping.
And I'm like, yeah, that's what I witnessed in every place I've been to.
unidentified
So does the southern border or any of the crime in any major city, any of that other stuff contribute to the current civil war?
tim pool
100%.
unidentified
So that's what I was saying.
tim pool
So let's say this.
unidentified
Because there is, I mean, the death, The gun violence in Chicago and L.A.
and New York is kind of Civil War.
tim pool
The southern border, I think, is the biggest, the biggest component that people should consider when it comes to the escalation into Civil War.
Let's say that by hard definitions, we are in civil strife, as Stephen Marsh described it in his book titled The Next Civil War.
He's actually a, he described himself as a multicultural democracy kind of guy and more in favor of the liberal worldview, so be it, and he says we're not quite in civil war yet, civil strife.
Let's say that's the case.
There's various scenarios that could occur which will lead us into full-scale civil war.
And it's not going to be this ridiculous, I hear about a Klan banging a gavel on a podium.
That's nonsense.
What it's going to be is that groups of militia will start forming on the southern border because of the crisis.
You've got an old man.
Traffickers were crossing his property.
They get shot and killed.
I don't know if he's the one who did it.
They arrest him.
The guy- His own land!
His own property!
Traffickers!
Coming across his property.
He defends his property, they arrest him.
He's gonna go to prison.
Eventually, you're going to have people say, the federal government has abandoned us.
There's no law enforcement down here, and the drug and human traffickers are running rampant.
We've already had, what do they call themselves, the minute men in the past in various militia groups.
At what point do they actually then just assert territory and all of a sudden, this could already be happening right now, by the way, because these stories have been persistent for the past 10 years or so.
Right now, there could be a faction of people on a certain point of the southern border, say Arizona, Arizona's probably a good state for it, that there's open border, barrier-less border, and they don't recognize federal authority because the federal government's abandoned them.
Like, I'll put it this way, they're not actively planting flags and saying there's no government, they're saying, that doesn't pertain to us, I don't care.
They then start acting on their own behalf.
What happens when one of these groups sees someone smuggling children, traffickers, which happens a lot, all the time, and they stop these traffickers, a gunfight breaks out and they kill these guys, and then the federal government tries to arrest them?
The thing about civil war is that it's not going to be... People have this view of civil war because of the American Civil War that it'll be two factions who will all sign treaties together and various states will be like, we're all working together and shake hands.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
When in reality, it's going to be various factions within states.
And if you take a look at how Syria devolved into civil war, it was various factions fighting the government and they all had different perspectives and views and eventually started coming together and I think that was the Free Syrian Army.
I could be wrong.
We could see something similar where you have pockets, you have groups that feel the federal government is derelict or is illegitimate.
The indictments against Donald Trump at the federal level, if Trump is removed from the ballot, how soon until sentiment grows in various rural areas where they're like, we don't answer to you anymore, you are not the government.
It takes only 10 guys or so to assert that ideology, that worldview, that if Donald Trump is removed from the ballot, then whoever is in office is not the actual government.
Confidence shatters.
One of the things I think they're trying to do with the indictments is to maintain confidence that their power is absolute.
But that does not work.
It never works.
That just leads to rapid destabilization.
The Soviet Union only lasted 69 years.
Perhaps we get a Bolshevik-style revolution in the United States, Democrats and their crackpot neo-Marxists gain power, and it lasts 30 years.
Who knows?
Or maybe, when that does happen, you will get various roaming factions of individuals in rural areas that don't answer to the federal government anymore, and the federal government can't contain them and starts to ignore them.
People need to understand, the amount of personnel in the federal government is not large enough to contain widespread unrest, not at the urban level, but at the rural level, where people are just simply saying, we don't answer to you.
Or they put up checkpoints, or they just outright stop paying taxes or something like that.
unidentified
I mean, didn't, didn't they set up, like, what, was it CHAZ a thing?
Remember when they set up that whole... Yeah.
How many days did that go?
The autonomous zone.
The autonomous zone.
tim pool
I mean, how many days did that... The George Floyd autonomous zone, I think, was like a year or two.
unidentified
So why can't, why wouldn't that happen?
tim pool
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Yeah.
unidentified
Drone strikes.
Exactly.
ian crossland
I mean, you can kind of... Drone strike in a city?
I wouldn't put it past him.
tim pool
Imagine what would happen, and this is a point James Lindsay makes, that the reaction is the goal.
Either they're trying to force you to allow perverts to groom your children,
or they get you to react and claim you're hateful bigots and they use it as justification.
Imagine the inverse.
Imagine a group of right-wing conservative types who are peacefully occupying land that is controlled by the federal
government.
The Bundys, for instance.
Remember all that?
ian crossland
Yeah, he's actually scheduled to go back to jail, I think, on Thursday or something.
Go back to jail?
Let me confirm that, but I read that.
tim pool
And I don't want to conflate it necessarily, that was a different circumstance, but imagine there's swaths of federal land that are completely, you know, unused, but it's federal land, and a group of guys are just like, we're going to start utilizing this, we don't recognize the authority of the government, what's the government going to do?
Imagine they show up and drone strike, as Ian suggests.
That reaction will result in more people having their confidence shattered in government.
ian crossland
Ammon Bundy was arrested three days ago.
unidentified
For what?
ian crossland
Defamation.
tim pool
What?
ian crossland
And he was released yesterday.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait.
Arrested for defamation?
That's a civil tort.
That's not a criminal act.
ian crossland
Arrest warrant since mid-April after an Ada County, Idaho judge found him in contempt of court for refusing to show up to legal proceedings.
tim pool
Interesting.
ian crossland
For nearly a year.
So he just got let out yesterday.
Can't move property or large cash sums for two weeks.
tim pool
Eventually, you're just going to have a community.
I mean, you look at, uh, Rich Men North of Richmond, the viral power of the song, 10 million views in a couple days.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Confidence shattered in government is what leads to civil war.
Not a group of people who are organized and then sign a document and say, we hereby declare.
It's when random people just say, you're illegitimate, get off my property.
I'll put it this way.
If a guy showed up to your house, Let's say you got an acre in a suburban area or a rural area.
And one day, a guy being carried in one- What are those things called where it's got the sticks and the guys carry it and the guy sits in the middle?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
Let's say they're- Oh, like a throne?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
It's not a throne.
It's called something else.
unidentified
I don't know the word.
tim pool
They're carrying him.
ian crossland
Egyptian stuff.
tim pool
He says, put me down, put me down.
They put him down.
He walks onto your property and says, you will now tithe.
You will pay me 20% for I am your king.
What?
What are you talking about?
No, you're not.
What if a guy walked onto your property, flashed a badge and said that he was the neo-lord declared of the current region or whatever?
You'd be like, wait, what?
What's this badge?
That would be a little bit confusing.
Most people don't know what a comptroller is.
So if someone shows up with a badge and says they're in charge, a lot of people right now are just like, okay.
We still do have in the United States people being like, look, I don't know who you are, show me a warrant, but a lot of people just submit.
The point comes when there will be a legitimate law enforcement officer from an agency no one's heard of or doesn't care about, or even from, let's say, like the FBI, and people just don't respect them because they feel.
When the FBI goes after Donald Trump in this way, and they see on news that it appears to be completely political and illegitimate, they say, these people aren't actually enforcing the law anymore.
The only reason why you'd agree to do anything they say is out of fear of death.
Well, there's a lot of people that don't.
And that's terrifying.
They don't fear death.
So what happens when there's a morbidly obese 70-year-old guy who's posting online that he's going to take action against the government in very serious ways that people should not do?
Then they show up to his house.
What does he do?
The latest report on that guy out of Provo, Utah was that he had a loaded .357 Magnum pointed at the federal officers.
That's the kind of stuff that I'm talking about.
Now, I want to make sure I'm clear on this.
There is a path to victory that Is through the legal system is by electing Donald Trump.
They can't.
They're not guaranteed victory.
This is why they're indicting his lawyers.
They want a reaction.
They want people to get violent.
They are desperate for it because people are shifting towards Trump.
Trump is winning in the polls in many states.
Like I said, over the past year or so, people went from being passively anti-Trump to passively anti-Democrat, anti-establishment.
I'm not saying they're voting for Trump.
I'm saying that they're losing confidence and they are desperate to maintain it.
One of the only ways they get it is if Trump supporters go nuts.
So they're hoping that by going after Trump, they get that.
ian crossland
You said an interesting thing, Anton, that they're not anti-Democrat, they're anti-establishment.
And the establishment used to be Republican in 2006.
It was George Bush's establishment, a warmongering party.
For whatever reason, these business bureaucrats behind the scenes now snagged onto the Democratic Party.
Superdelegates make it nice because they can just pick their candidate no matter who gets voted what.
And people are tired of it.
We're having a global revolution right now of artificial intelligence, of conscious, just the way people think since the Internet's been developed, the way people interface with each other, and we need a government to catch up to that.
tim pool
Mike Cernovich made a really important point.
He said, did you know that the Republicans currently have a comparable majority to what Nancy Pelosi had when she was targeting Trump with all of these proceedings?
phil labonte
The Republicans just have to have the nuts to do something.
tim pool
Republicans have balls of steel.
Don't you understand?
Kevin McCarthy has iron-clad testicles.
People just don't understand.
He's not on your side.
He is standing in front of your face with a shit-eating grin, smiling, saying, I'm here for you, while holding his hand behind his back with his fingers crossed.
It takes balls to look into the eyes of an American citizen and say, I'm working for you, but knowing deep down inside you are lying, desperately trying to protect the uniparty establishment.
unidentified
Yeah, I look, I think also there's a shift to when you start to see what's going on in
Hawaii right now and the negligence of Joe Biden and how they're responding to, you know,
the effort to get them supplies and money and like the local government.
Like I think that things that Joe Biden is also dropping the ball on is another push
for people to be like, yeah, I, I'm just done with this guy.
Like Trump comes out with, you know, a statement yesterday and does what like three minute
video or something about Hawaii.
And people are like, why didn't Biden do this?
And this guy's not even the president right now.
ian crossland
I don't know what the federal response has been exactly.
I would like to know.
But I feel like this is like a call up the Navy.
Strategy where you like mobilize the Navy to protect and preserve that area of the United States because not only are people suffering 1,300 people still haven't been found 70 people have been declared dead or something like that The entire city of Lahaina has been burned to the ground for the most part.
Not only that it's a national defense Vulnerability to have a broken area of your country that's not functioning.
It's an easy target.
unidentified
So they need to protect it While your president is on the beach He's on vacation.
tim pool
It's almost like they're doing everything in their power.
One of the things we talked about a few years ago is that they want civil war so they can abolish the Constitution.
Because that's the only way to do it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And there's also a push to... I know that people are pretty aware that the definitions of words have been shifting considerably the past, you know, 5-10 years.
People have noticed that.
Things don't mean what they used to mean, or whatever.
And there's a tactic in that, too.
If you can shift the meanings of the words that are in the Constitution... And the law changes.
Then you can change the meaning of the law.
If you can get gender... Like woman!
Yeah, exactly.
So the thing that was pointed out, I heard James Lindsay talking about this, but it was the land dedications that you hear.
If you can convince people that they're on stolen land, Then they don't own that property because it's illegitimately attained.
And that means you're not protected.
None of your rights are protected if you're on stolen property.
That means you have no right to that property anymore.
And so now, I'm not saying that that's exactly what's going on, that that's the intent behind it, but that could be a very happy side effect that people could use to go after people's property.
tim pool
You guys remember John Titor?
We talked about it briefly.
ian crossland
Tell me.
tim pool
It was back in the 2000s.
This guy claiming to be from the future.
ian crossland
Yes.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
It was a website and it was, you know, silly nonsense.
But one of the things he said was that the country would fracture into four different regions controlled by four different powers.
Europe would control a faction.
China would control a faction.
Mexico and Canada would split a faction.
It seems to be silly nonsense, but I bring it up because I don't think a revolution is possible in the United States because the country is much too big.
That's just it.
You look at what's going on with the Biden DOJ ignoring Lahaina, with his son and the corruption, with the DOJ going after Donald Trump.
You're not going to get every state in this country just to be like, well, that's legitimate.
After 2024, here's my concern.
There's not going to be a definitive winner.
I think 1876 was the year where they were like, who do we count?
And it'll be akin to this.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Let me ask you guys.
Why should I assume the 2024 election will be handled better than 2020?
I think it'll be worse.
Any reason?
ian crossland
I would encourage you to not assume anything in that regard.
phil labonte
I feel like the fact that there's not all of the issues with COVID might be a reason.
unidentified
Well, they're trying to do that again, though.
We'll see.
tim pool
Donald Trump makes a bunch of claims.
There's ballot fraud, etc., etc.
Why would I assume the Trump supporters would say less?
I can't just... No, the assumption is clear.
There's no off-ramp, as you said earlier, Phil.
The likelihood is that in 2024, you are going to have...
Insane disputes over who are the official electors because Trump supporters feeling slighted from 2020 are going to be out in force with, and I'm talking about lawyers, documents filed pre, during, after.
And then you're going to have legal challenges to a certified slate of electors.
There's going to be 300 legal challenges in the courts that aren't going to be resolved in time.
And they're going to go, how do we count something that's currently in legal dispute?
The judges would have to just throw all of the lawsuits off the docket, which they can't just do.
My assumption is 2024 will be bedlam.
I don't see Democrats and Republicans just being like, well, you know, let me know what you think with the ballots and then we'll see who the president is.
You're going to have Mark Elias.
You're going to have the NCLU.
You're going to have various factions on left and right lodging lawsuit after lawsuit in various jurisdictions before, during, and after the election.
And then what's going to happen is various different news sources that are at odds with each other will report various different things.
And you'll have people in some areas being like, I'm hearing the Democrats won, but the Republicans have electors too.
The state legislators certified the Republicans, but the media said the Democrats won.
What's going on?
Now, look, don't get me wrong.
I mean, maybe nothing happens.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Well, you said earlier that you thought it would be impossible for a revolution to occur in the United States, and I guess I gotta define... No, no, no, hold on.
tim pool
What I'm saying is... Challenging because of the size?
If D.C.
was taken over by an occupying force in a military coup, Texas doesn't go along with that.
That's what I'm saying.
There's no point where the entire country just says, Revolution!
ian crossland
Now we're under the rule of When I say revolution, I'm not always talking about a change in government from a democracy or from a republic to a communist state.
I'm not talking about necessarily like that.
Revolution is like a change.
It means to turn forward.
So like a change of the mind.
I know this is like a Maoist tactic.
We're going to change the minds of the people.
But I do think that can be done for good as well.
And it can happen quickly with the internet.
phil labonte
I have such a problem with that kind of like changing minds because that's trying to manufacture consent or trying to get everybody on the same page.
The ability that humans have to influence people is only either coercion or it's just through argumentation.
Convincing someone or forcing them.
ian crossland
But what about when you perform?
I saw you singing in front of like 10,000 people or something.
It changed them.
phil labonte
Yeah, but there's no guarantee.
You can entertain people Entertaining people and convincing people to believe in your philosophy is totally different.
And the idea that you could get someone just on a stage to use charisma to convince people, that's a bad thing too.
Because Hitler was super charismatic, but he was also a genocidal maniac.
So you can't just say, oh, this person makes me feel good.
Like I was saying earlier today, My philosophy is fundamentally an Enlightenment philosophy because I believe that we can interact with reality, we can see reality, and we can test things, and we can reason proper results.
And if we just go by feeling and just by saying, oh, this guy really moves me, Then you get you end up with Barack Obama.
Everybody that voted for Barack Obama for voted for hope and change.
They were voting with their heart.
They were voting.
I believe in Barack Obama.
I believe in people.
I believe in hope and change because I am hopeful and we can change things for the better.
Nobody agreed on what change was.
Nobody did.
But everybody felt real good about it.
So we were coerced.
I don't know.
Some people could say we were coerced, but it was great.
unidentified
He's cool.
He's a cool talker.
He's a good talker.
He's cool.
He smokes cigarettes outside the White House.
This guy is awesome.
I could party with him.
I totally want change.
I'm going to vote for him.
phil labonte
Yes, I mean, that is true.
The votes for Barack Obama were very much votes for his charisma and stuff like that.
And, you know, there were a lot of things that changed from when he was running to when he was in office and stuff.
So, you know, I mean, that that is true.
But you still like we need to have people that we need to be able to reason.
Not just get wrapped up in, we feel this way, and we want to have this kind of emotional reaction, and try to connect with people, and convince them, and get everybody fired up.
I mean, you do want people that are motivated, that agree with you, but you want people that have reasoned their way to their decisions, not responded emotionally, you know?
ian crossland
I think, and I should say, that if someone could stand up on a stage, fully charismatic, get everyone's hearts aligned, and then provide them a blueprint of strategy, technically, of how to solve the system, and put it out of their hands, they've galvanized the populace to focus on an idea that's outside of the person.
I think everybody's tired.
I think Americans are tired.
They're tired of being lied to by both sides.
It's like a full body, you know, people start working out, they start eating healthier, they start having kids.
unidentified
It's a cultural thing.
I think everybody's tired.
I think Americans are tired.
They're tired of being lied to by both sides.
They're tired of being constantly gaslighted.
They're tired of being promised things.
Tired of being locked up in their houses and lied to.
Coerced into doing things that they don't want.
I think they're tired.
And there's no way to go back to like, how can we get everybody on the same page?
Unity!
You're never going to get that anymore.
ian crossland
Because of the fatigue?
unidentified
They're just disgusted.
ian crossland
There's a war weariness, I know.
I've sensed it for a decade.
Just the pain, the pain conscious.
There's the dietary weariness that comes from overeating or eating crappy food that knocks your body out.
It's hard to wake up in the morning, that fog, too much carbs, all that crap.
There's that.
Fasting is a holy tenant.
unidentified
I mean, we could... I mean, we can go on and on about that, but I mean, Joe Biden, people are tired by Joe Biden, too.
tim pool
Let's jump to the next story.
I want to start by showing you this image.
I hope you all enjoy this picture.
We'll have to open image in a new tab and then we'll have to shrink it so you can actually see it.
Wow, this is... there you go!
It's very tiny on the screen because you can't actually scroll around or whatever.
But, uh, there you go.
It's, uh, it's Donald Trump, and it says revenge on it.
Breaking Trump to appoint special counsel to investigate Biden family corruption if re-elected.
This is the reason people want to vote for Donald Trump.
You want revenge?
I'll vote Trump.
I'd like revenge.
What do you guys think?
ian crossland
I would like justice, and if that means forgiveness and compassion along with it, mercy, apparently.
tim pool
What is that?
Depends on if it's Greek or Latin, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, I go with the Greeks on these.
tim pool
Yeah, let me tell you a story, Ian.
Donald Trump said that he would criminally indict Hillary Clinton, that he would go after her, she'd be in jail.
And then, what was it, two days after he got elected?
He's like, no, no, we're not gonna do that, it's okay.
Donald Trump should have gone after all of these people with criminal charges because they're corrupt, evil individuals.
And he didn't!
Because he said, we're gonna forgive!
We're gonna be like you, Ian!
We're gonna forgive everybody!
And now they're arresting his lawyers.
ian crossland
I wish he'd said that.
He never really talked about forgiveness.
phil labonte
He still talked crap about Hillary while he was president.
No, my point is, he didn't prosecute.
He didn't direct his DOJ to prosecute.
ian crossland
Yeah, but he didn't, like, make good.
unidentified
Well, Hillary talked crap about him through her... I mean, they all do it.
tim pool
And then he didn't go after her.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And he should have.
unidentified
Because he said you would be in jail and she wasn't.
And she also denied the election too.
tim pool
To an extreme degree!
Was it her campaign or the DNC that funded the SEAL dossier?
phil labonte
It was her campaign.
tim pool
Her campaign.
Creating the lie that Donald Trump was a Russian spy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Stacey Abrams!
How come she's not in jail?
phil labonte
Right, exactly.
tim pool
I love that.
Brian Kemp is like, for the past three years, no one has brought any evidence of voter fraud, and I'm like, you mean past five years?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Because, like, you're excluding Stacey Abrams?
What I actually said was, yeah, but you stole the election from Stacey Abrams, you Russian Nazi...
ian crossland
Well, you're allowed to question elections in the United States.
unidentified
Not anymore!
ian crossland
No, you're not!
phil labonte
He's getting prosecuted for doing just that.
ian crossland
I mean, that might be one of the things, but it's the Jan 6th.
unidentified
That's literally it.
tim pool
Georgia is not going after him over January 6th.
They're not going after his lawyers for January 6th.
ian crossland
That's why this whole charade began.
tim pool
No, no, Georgia is going after- none of the charges relate to January 6th in Georgia.
Georgia has no jurisdiction there.
They're charging Trump and his lawyers for reaching out to state legislature.
One of the acts is that they reached out- lawyers reached out to the legislature and said, you guys should vote on this and choose who you think should actually win based on the discrepancies.
They said, that's solicitation of a violation of oath of office.
Not January 6th.
They're saying because Donald Trump had lawyers go and make the legal argument that they should take the constitutional path of upholding their absolute legislative power to determine who gets the electors, they said that's a violation of both offices.
ian crossland
Did Stacey Abrams do that?
Did Hillary have lawyers go talk to electors?
I don't know.
tim pool
So the Democrats had alternate electors and faithless electors.
phil labonte
You're also just now you're just arguing to degrees not whether or not I'm arguing that you're allowed to question elections the United States.
Again, we're the point is that's why Trump is not allowed to because Trump is being prosecuted and Stacey Abrams has done this and Hillary Clinton is already so are you it's the way it's the way Trump.
ian crossland
There are ways that can get you thrown in jail of questioning the election, yes.
tim pool
Yes, and Jenna Ellis, one of the indicted co-conspirators, was only charged on counts one and two, which is, I think, violating the oath of public office, and RICO.
They're literally saying because she worked for Trump, she's guilty of conspiracy.
That's it.
That's it.
Now, other people were charged with, like, solicitation of the violation of oath of office, specific things.
But they're going after her, quite literally, just because she worked for Donald Trump as a lawyer.
So no, you don't get to call a lawyer, and now it looks like the federal government's going to do the same thing.
They're going to go after Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell and a bunch of these people.
ian crossland
If you guys go out and tell everyone you can't question elections in the United States anymore, you turned us into a totalitarian state.
tim pool
We did?
phil labonte
That's exactly what we're kind of saying.
ian crossland
You gotta keep the faith.
tim pool
We did?
ian crossland
No, I'm saying if you go out and start telling people you can't do this anymore, you become a hand of the state.
You don't want to become that guy that's black-pilled and tells everyone it's over.
You can question elections in the United States.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There are legal ways to do that.
unidentified
Oh, go ahead.
phil labonte
No, go ahead.
unidentified
Yeah, no, what you're saying is, is like, we can't run around and tell people that you
can't question the elections, right?
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
You can do that, but you will be- Well, no, okay, of course.
You can question the election, and then if you take any actions in furtherance of your
questions, you'll be criminally charged.
unidentified
Sure.
ian crossland
It depends on how, but possibly.
tim pool
Well, like, you could literally just be the lawyer for Donald Trump and they'll charge you with conspiracy.
ian crossland
Yeah, but I think my theory, or my hypothesis, if he hadn't told people to go to the Capitol on Jan 6th, none of this would be happening right now.
tim pool
And peacefully protest?
That's the first amendment.
unidentified
But that's, it's literally, many other groups and organizations did that worse.
Like, I'm not saying it was right, but I'm also saying there's other organizations and groups that did that also At the Capitol, like they burnt down a church.
tim pool
Or they tried to burn a church.
unidentified
Or they tried to burn down a church.
They set fire to it.
tim pool
Where's the RICO charges for any of these guys?
unidentified
They were all let off.
tim pool
That was organized and planned.
unidentified
They were all let off of all charges.
We still have guys that are still in jail from January 6th that were at the, just to say, the hot dog cart across the street.
I mean, come on.
There's got to be a point where everybody on both sides is like, all right, this is nuts.
Right?
Or not?
ian crossland
No.
I think so.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
I hope so.
phil labonte
There is not.
ian crossland
I mean, that's why I'm into pardons.
I think of it as if you don't care, if you really don't find some kind of spiritual fulfillment in finding your enemies forgiven, if you don't get that, then think of it as a hostage negotiation.
And you want those Jan 6 prisoners out, so you pardon them, and then you want Hunter Biden pardoned as the hostage exchange.
tim pool
Prisoner exchange.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Think of it as a prisoner exchange.
That's why you issue mass pardons.
And maybe society will freak out.
Maybe it won't.
Maybe it has to come from the top.
Maybe it has to come from the people first.
I don't know.
But it can happen.
tim pool
I kind of think of it more like there's a guy running around setting fires, and Ian is like, if you please promise not to do it again, we won't put you in jail.
It's like, well, I don't know about that.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like saying, I'm not gonna put you in jail for all those fires you started.
If you do it again, you're done.
But we're moving forward.
Let's not anyone light any more of those.
That's kind of the mentality.
unidentified
With the hope that they won't.
And then what happens when they do?
ian crossland
Well, that's a loaded question.
If they do, then you have to put them in prison.
unidentified
You can't just keep... Yeah, we can't keep playing the game.
Got it.
I don't know.
It's wild to me.
That's all.
tim pool
Well, what's the next step?
I mean, we've got a couple months away.
A couple.
We've got maybe... I don't know.
Seven months until we start going to the primaries?
ian crossland
I think we gotta record a million to one.
Because we need to become a cultural center.
tim pool
That's a song.
ian crossland
We need people loving us.
tim pool
It's a song I wrote that Ian really likes.
ian crossland
It's the best song.
It's your best song that I've had so far.
And it's just the beginning.
unidentified
So full disclosure, I just started following your music.
Oh.
Love it.
tim pool
Thank you.
unidentified
I agree.
It's great.
tim pool
I don't believe it's that important.
I believe building culture is important because laws are only enforced on cultural grounds.
Confidence is everything.
If people didn't have confidence in the dollar, nobody would take the dollar, which is why the U.S.
gives dollars to countries all over the world for garbage nonsense.
And that's why I say that voting Republican is good, because you need actions within the government to alter policy and things like that.
But for the most part, what's going to change this is building culture.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Rich men north of Richmond.
The corporate press is attacking it.
unidentified
There's a far right wing... Yeah, he's great.
tim pool
Industry plant, fake, blah, blah, blah.
unidentified
He's the most genuine guy.
tim pool
It's just a video of a guy singing.
phil labonte
That's the best thing for it, though.
tim pool
But who cares if it's an industry?
Maybe this guy got signed a long time ago and they said, we're going to put up a music video and ask people to promote it.
I'm like, okay, it's a good song.
phil labonte
Yeah.
Have a nice day.
The people that are attacking it, are the best thing for its credibility.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
phil labonte
Because the people that are attacking it are doing exactly what he says they're doing.
It's the, it's the champagne social, the idea of the champagne socialist, the rich urban people, and those are the people that, while they talk a good game about the working man, when a working man, you know, or an ostensibly not wealthy, not cosmopolitan person, is sitting there singing a song about the struggles that they're noticing in their lives.
All they do is dump all over him, call him all kinds of names.
And it really, he really, the lyrics really do tap into things that are on a lot of people's minds.
But the people on the left, I mean, they feel like it's attacking them.
And they're the ones that are making it about them because it doesn't specify.
Aside.
The left or aside.
Yeah, obviously there's a whole lot of insecurity when it comes to the line about Epstein Island and stuff, but it's not particularly right-leaning in policy, but it is culturally right, and that's why Cultural leftists really hate it, and I enjoy reading the people that hate on it, because it's exactly what you'd expect.
unidentified
Well, because it's the people that you say something about, but you didn't mention them by name, but they're guilty, so they're like, are you talking about me?
phil labonte
Yeah, they feel quite guilty.
unidentified
Yeah, totally about you.
ian crossland
I'm a big fan.
I thought the song was very simple, if you haven't heard it yet.
North of Richmond, it's verse-chorus-verse-chorus, pretty basic, but the guy's performance is out of control.
We need that.
We need heart-shattering sound to shake people out of this morose.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, like I said, it speaks to the mistrust of the establishment by the average person, you know?
And I think that the fact that it resonated with so many people and went viral so fast, and so viral so fast, I think that that's something that really Has worried the establishment and you have Rolling Stone Crapping on a protest crap on everybody.
Well, I mean they didn't always a protest song That's supposed to be something that Rolling Stone would get behind, you know It's protesting against the government and and like, you know in the 60s that would have been or the 70s That's what that would have been right up Rolling Stones alley.
They'd have been right there in Cheering them on, but they weren't because they're the establishment.
unidentified
Right.
phil labonte
They're the propaganda arm.
tim pool
Let's jump to this unrelated story, but interesting nonetheless.
Minnesota town's entire police force resigns, leaving chief with zero prospects.
Goodhue, Minnesota, a small town in the southeastern part of the state, lost its entire police force after the chief and other members of the force handed in their resignations.
I think we're a little bit blindsided by it, but we're resilient.
We're going to move forward.
This has been three weeks now.
We have zero applicants, zero prospects.
I've called every PD around for the youngest guys out there getting in the game.
Nobody's getting in the game.
If you want to keep the PD, and this is something we want to keep going with, something needs to change dramatically and drastically, and it's got to happen now.
One Goodhue City Council member praised the police force for maintaining law and order in the town of Goodhue.
I can probably speak for everyone when I say that they provided excellent safety and security to our community, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah.
And, uh, nobody wants to be a cop.
So when I talk about what comes next, confidence, people believing in federal government, yeah, at least in this small town, and it's not the only place we're seeing things like this, this is just the most extreme example, the entire police force resigning.
We've seen similar things before of mass resignations from various police departments.
What happens to a town when they have no cops?
Well, we could already see what's happening to LA and New York when the law says you can't arrest these people, when people aren't allowed to defend themselves or their property.
But what happens when there's no cops?
It's not what people think.
People assume if there's no police officers, then you're going to have rampant crime.
Actually, I think in small towns, it'll be the inverse.
You know why?
Because if there's no cops to arrest a criminal at all, the criminals already aren't getting arrested.
That means there's no one to arrest the person for defending themselves.
Which means in small towns with zero police, people will start arming up, and then if someone comes in to rob their store, they get shot.
Then this person says, there's no government, I don't abide by any of that, I don't know what they're talking about, they abandoned us a long time ago, and this leads to social breakdown and decay.
But maybe, it ultimately leads to more community building, because if there's no cops, people have to go talk to their neighbors to figure out how they're protecting each other.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think becoming a cop through necessity kind of is more noble than doing it for a paycheck.
Doing it because we truly need protection and then calling the greatest among us to protect is like, that's a calling.
tim pool
It's important to note the population of this city, it is a city, is only 1,176.
ian crossland
Did you see how many cops resigned?
phil labonte
Was it like five?
tim pool
It was probably five.
You know, the entire police force is like five.
phil labonte
But I mean, you know, they still resign.
What are they resigning for?
tim pool
I don't think it says.
unidentified
So how do you feel about the law that's being passed in Chicago or Illinois where illegal immigrants can actually become police officers now?
ian crossland
At first I've heard of it.
phil labonte
There's nothing wrong with illegal immigrants.
tim pool
Low pay and competition from larger cities was a big component.
ian crossland
So they're getting jobs in other cities, they're getting paid more going to bigger cities.
phil labonte
I mean, that makes sense.
ian crossland
What's this law you mentioned in Chicago?
Do you know what the name of it is or anything?
unidentified
In Illinois, it's being passed here shortly.
I think it's November.
If you are an illegal immigrant, you can also be a police officer.
tim pool
Oh, yes, that's right.
unidentified
That's J.B.
Pritzker's new law.
tim pool
Non-citizen law enforcement.
unidentified
Yeah.
So should we fill Minnesota's town with five illegal immigrants?
ian crossland
Not all at once, if you can help it.
Maybe introduce one at a time and let it get socialized.
phil labonte
I think that people should be in the United States illegally before they start working for the United States government.
I feel like that's a good idea.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, could you go to any country in the world and just become a police officer tomorrow?
phil labonte
I'm confident that's a no.
ian crossland
It could be a way to earn citizenship.
unidentified
So why do we allow it?
phil labonte
No, I don't know about that either.
I don't think we should.
I honestly, like, I'm super for, like... Point being is are we this desperate, right?
unidentified
Are police officers, like, leaving the police force in record numbers?
phil labonte
If I understand correctly?
I mean, I don't have any, you know, data on it, but, like, that's what it seems like.
ian crossland
This is a House Bill 3751, in case people want to look into it.
tim pool
I wonder about like letting people earn ways for people to earn citizenship and if joining military a lot of like they do that you you can do that by joining the military and I think that the military is one thing but joy but just coming to the United States and joining a civilian police force I think is different yeah I've never heard up to this point that that would function but maybe it would be a good way to you can buy citizenship Yeah, one thing that people do is they'll, you don't need to be an American citizen to start a company in the United States.
So they'll start a company, then they'll hire themselves and use that as justification for coming here.
There's also economic visas where it's like if you have a certain amount of money invested, then you get to stay in the country.
phil labonte
I have no problem with people coming to the U.S.
that are looking to improve their situation and start a business or whatever.
It's one of the wonderful things about the United States is we've always been open to people that want to come and want to be free.
Take advantage of the fact that we are a mostly free country.
You know, the problem is when it's like, oh, you know, we're just going to have people that we're going to allow people to come in.
And then as soon as you get here, we're going to get you on to some kind of government subsidies or government program or something.
That's the bad thing.
unidentified
Before American citizens.
phil labonte
No, just at all!
Like, if you're here illegally, you shouldn't be getting government services.
unidentified
But they are getting it before American citizens.
phil labonte
Yeah, true, but they shouldn't be getting it at all.
I don't think that there's a before U.S.
citizens kind of thing in that.
If you're here illegally, you shouldn't be getting services.
ian crossland
Like unemployment and stuff like that?
phil labonte
Yeah, you shouldn't be getting those things you don't need.
I understand there are people like, oh, If someone's here, they're paying taxes, etc.
I get it.
That is true.
But to me, it's just not convincing.
If you're here illegally, you shouldn't get free services from the government beyond the immediate stuff that everyone else gets.
If you show up at a hospital and you need emergency care, that shouldn't mean that you get sent to the police and get sent out of the country.
If you need the police to help you, the police shouldn't automatically wrap you up like the regular beat cops.
But, you know, there's a whole lot of DHS out there and they do a whole lot of messing with your average people when they could be looking for people that have, you know, skipped their hearings for whatever they call it when they come into the country or whatever.
ian crossland
I wonder what percentage of illegal immigrants are actually like superheroes that Sure, we're better off having in this country.
phil labonte
Superheroes are not real.
ian crossland
Not real superhero magic, but like people that are like superhuman intelligent, like very, very top of the level humans.
unidentified
They would have came here legally.
Yeah, they have a brain to come here legally.
tim pool
They're probably well off.
unidentified
In my opinion.
tim pool
Successful in their own country, and then they buy a private jet to fly in and get a special class visa.
phil labonte
One of the bad things about people that come to the United States, people like that that come to the United States, if they're successful, people that are coming to the U.S.
from under, you know, people from countries that have lower economic, you know, output and stuff like that, the people that are successful, they're needed in those countries.
So if you're like a doctor in, you know, somewhere in Africa and you're a good doctor in the major city in, you know, whatever African country you're talking about, and you leave, To come to the U.S.
That's better for you.
But there's a lot of people in Africa that we're relying on you being the good doctor in town taking care of them.
So there's it's a double edged sword when you're like, oh, we're going to do we're going to accept.
We want to accept good people that can contribute to our society.
If you're taking them from third world country, which they have every reason to want to get out of there, I get it.
But if you're taking from third world countries, those people are the ones that are the most necessary to help build those countries that they're coming from.
So it's, you know, it's just a struggle idea that you, that people need to think about when it comes to immigration.
ian crossland
Brain drain, causing brain drain on other countries.
phil labonte
Yep.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's definitely, you could argue that it's international defense to have the best brains.
Damn be the consequences, but I get what you're saying.
We're a holistic world and we should support other nations as well.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, my grandparents came here the legal way.
I mean, they weren't doctors or anything, but they came to this country for a better life.
And back in the 1970s, and they were like, what do I got to do to be a US citizen?
What do I got to do?
Just tell me what I got to do.
And they did it.
That's it.
They were normal people.
They did it.
They became citizens.
They raised their families.
They came here.
So I'm not saying there's no good people in that bunch that are coming here illegally.
But I'm also not saying a majority of them are probably the rock stars that you're talking about.
ian crossland
I think that makes sense, because the super, super phenomenal humans will probably figure out how to get here legally.
unidentified
Of course, because they're not going to want to go across the Rio Grande when they have all these skills.
They're going to want to be like, hey, how do I, how do I come here so I can, because I got all these skills.
And we'll be like, absolutely, like, come on over.
If you're trying to smuggle kids across the border, you're probably not the person that should be here.
ian crossland
And if you're one of those kids, it basically doesn't even matter if you're like a 16 year old, but you're like a super genius and you're getting smuggled across the border.
Like that's not I don't know.
Yeah, it's a tangent.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The cop thing in New York.
I feel like man.
They've already got non-citizen voting in parts of California and New York.
That's it.
Global citizen, one world government, whatever you want.
ian crossland
Do you think there's value to letting people earn citizenship through serving in like civil, like police and fire department?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Fire department maybe, not law enforcement.
Law enforcement, I think you've got to be a citizen.
Fire department though, I can respect that and say, okay, you know, we'll put you on the fire department or something like that.
But the problem is there are people here who want to be firefighters and get paid to do it.
There's this huge wait list.
It's very difficult in big cities to get that job.
It's a good job.
ian crossland
I guess in situations like what we got in Minnesota where they can't hire a police force, would it be reasonable to hire?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
To have a non-citizen enforce the law?
That's dramatic erosion of your country, your social standards, your law.
A guy putting out fires is totally different.
unidentified
Right, they're saving people.
tim pool
I mean, yeah, just putting fires out.
ian crossland
You don't need to speak English or know American doctrine to put out a fire.
tim pool
You do.
phil labonte
You probably should not.
tim pool
You should at least speak the same language as the rest of the team.
No, you need to be able to communicate with the lieutenant or captain on scene who's instructing people on what to do to put the fire out.
ian crossland
Yeah, you gotta speak English.
unidentified
You're also being disbashed.
tim pool
Well, you just said you didn't have to.
ian crossland
No, you don't need to know American doctrine to put out a fire.
It's a universal language.
Get the hose.
unidentified
Buckets.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, there's, yeah, five people.
We just need five firefighters for this town.
We got this.
phil labonte
There you go.
unidentified
We can cover this police force, just this table.
tim pool
I think we see a lot of this stuff.
Cops resigning because of what happens.
I mean, it's Minnesota.
I wouldn't be surprised if a component of this, people are resigning because of what happened to Tau Tau.
The cop who was simply present while George Floyd was killed, he got what, five years?
So who wants to be a cop?
unidentified
Nobody.
Especially when you're, you know, I have family members that were and are cops in Chicago.
During the riots, during the BLM stuff, they got bricks thrown at their foreheads.
And they were the same cops that were playing basketball with the kids in the inner communities.
So they're like, why am I doing this anymore?
Like, I am a good cop.
I don't need bricks thrown at my head.
And then no support from our chief.
I'm out.
Bye.
ian crossland
You guys listening, anybody want to be a cop?
Put a 2 in the chat if you want to be a cop.
tim pool
And then put a 9 if you don't want to be a cop.
ian crossland
Yeah, put a 9 if you're not interested.
tim pool
There's gotta be an alternative number, he's like, two.
ian crossland
There's gotta be, like... People gotta want to be cops to be a cop.
Like, you gotta have faith in the system.
Be like, I love this city so much that I want to make it safe.
phil labonte
That's one of the, that's the real, like, caustic and bad thing about the ACAB sentiment.
It's not just that like, you know, you have issues with the existing cops.
If your whole community has the attitude that all cops are bastards, who wants to help?
Who wants to be a cop?
And the places that have the people that are screaming ACAB the most are places that need the cops the worst.
You know?
I mean, nobody wants to be a cop now.
Do you think that being a police officer in a community that has ACAB written graffiti on all the walls around and you can't get the community to talk to you and help you Find any, you know, solve crimes or whatever.
Do you think that any cops want to be a police officer?
tim pool
I love that story from Elliot Page about some guy screaming and chasing Page into a store in West Hollywood or whatever.
Because now I'm pretty sure West Hollywood has the community safety person, advisors or whatever instead of cops.
unidentified
Oh my God.
tim pool
It's like, yeah, people in like vests instead of police officers or something like that.
So it's, you can make this news story where you say, I was accosted by a deranged man.
Okay, can we point out that it's the left that advocated for the removal of these police, so now you're even less safe?
Have a nice day!
ian crossland
Where did ACAB come from?
Do you know?
unidentified
All cops are bastards.
phil labonte
All cops are bastards.
unidentified
Was it, like, inserted, like... It's a Gen Z thing, it's just, like... No, it's not Gen Z. I don't know, I've never heard it since then.
phil labonte
It's been around for a long, long, long time.
Has it?
tim pool
Yeah, it's a leftist mantra.
unidentified
1312.
Really?
I didn't know that.
tim pool
1312 is A-C-A-B, with an S. And that's where Fuck 12 comes from.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
I mean, I've never been anti-cop, so I didn't know.
tim pool
Yeah, 12 is a reference to 1312.
So they're just saying, F are bastards, but whatever.
unidentified
Okay, got it.
And thank you for teaching me that.
ian crossland
Okay.
So that's like, I mean, my mind these days goes to like communist revolution tactic.
The Chinese have implanted this in my, in my social media.
And now people think all cops are bastards, but they're not.
It's like, but, but maybe it's more just like a self hatred thing.
Like things.
Cause I was so critical of the United States in 2007.
Cause I was watching the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan and hated it so much.
And I was like, good, the U S dollar.
We don't want to be hegemonic anymore.
Stop like stopping the world police.
And now I'm like, what does that now?
I'm like realizing, what does that really mean?
Like, if we just stripped ourselves of being the authority on Earth, that there'd be another one would step forward.
So, like, maybe destroying our own home just because it's not the best, it might actually be the least worst.
tim pool
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But now, let's read what y'all have to say.
I'm not your guy, friend.
Says we've now crossed the Rubicon into Banana Republic territory as of last night.
No, it's Communist Revolution territory, not Banana Republic territory.
ian crossland
Checking in on our poll from earlier, we have at least nine people down to be cops, so I'm encouraged.
tim pool
Oh, wow.
serge du preez
That's great.
tim pool
Fox Tashikata says, I'm not your friend, pal.
That was too fast.
Cheers.
Tim Kast, Crew Keeper of the Good Work.
Really do appreciate it.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, I finally got the American flag beanie.
Now I must turn it upside down to represent the current political distress status of our country.
And in these three years, the political landscape has only deteriorated.
How of us, who of us, how of us have recently woke up just to realize the country has been taken over by an evil that will not, that will stop at nothing to gain power?
Yep.
Devon says, when will we get a guest appearance from the king?
Need to hear how he feels about his return to the throne.
It's long overdue.
Hail to the king.
And a rooster emoji.
Yeah, we're not going to bring him on to IRL anytime soon.
He's now in charge of Chicken City once again.
He has returned.
And it's unfortunate.
We buried Roberto Jr.
today.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
He is now buried just outside of Chicken City in a chicken grave.
unidentified
Wow.
I went and paid my respects today and saw that.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Roberto Jr.
and his sister died.
They were the first eggs we incubated from the chickens.
unidentified
So weird.
tim pool
Well, they were a weak bunch.
ian crossland
But it's weird that she died right after he died.
That's really weird.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yep.
I mean, it actually makes a lot of sense.
They're brother and sister.
They were incubated at the same time in the same way.
And they were from the... The chickens had just started their adulthood, and it's their first babies, and... A weak bunch.
ian crossland
They're connected.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
All that.
Let's read some more Super Chats.
Paul Taskelos says, as a general rule of thumb, I evaluate the veracity of a legal document based on attention to detail.
On page 20 of the indictment, Act 2 is listed twice.
They had 2.5 years to do this and couldn't proofread it?
Not guilty.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Amazing.
Purple says, beep, boop, bop.
Thank you for that.
Devin says, Tim, what's your last straw?
What would we need to get to in this civil war for you to leave the country or to pick up arms and fight?
I don't know.
I'd probably only be defending myself.
I think self-defense.
There's no answer to that.
Leave the country?
We're really close to the point where, throughout history, people fled their country out of fear of political persecution.
I mean, look, January 6th, outright, is an example of it.
And it's fascinating how desperate conservatives are to deny reality.
Not all of them.
Some of them.
The DOJ is arresting people who walked peacefully into a building with the doors opened by police with no warnings, no barricades, no signs.
Yes, I know, and I say it every time, there were people rioting on one side of the building.
They should be criminally charged.
Even Trump said that.
But they're raiding the homes of people because they walked onto the Capitol grounds having no idea what was going on, waving little American flags, and then they left.
ian crossland
Plato fled after Socrates was executed.
Plato and a bunch of Socrates' other followers were like, let's get the hell out of here because this is not good.
unidentified
I think people forget too that the same thing is going on in Canada or happened in Canada with their truckers, right?
And they had the convoy.
I think they have political prisoners as well.
They do.
Do they really?
tim pool
Oh yeah, pretty sure.
unidentified
They shut down their bank accounts.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, they have nothing.
But anyway, I think it's possible for people to flee the country, sure.
ian crossland
But then Plato came back 20 years later and founded the Academy right outside of Athens, so, you know, nothing's temporary.
tim pool
A lot of people flee, return when things calm back down.
But I hope people just understand that they indicted Trump's lawyers.
I would be surprised to hear that no one fled the country.
I don't know anybody who did.
ian crossland
Max Keiser.
tim pool
Yeah, but that's for different reasons.
ian crossland
Economic.
tim pool
Yeah, Max and Stacy went to El Salvador to help with the Bitcoin country.
ian crossland
They actually, they didn't flee, they went there to make it better there.
They enjoy that.
tim pool
Well, they went there to help Bitcoin, and to embrace Bitcoin and expand upon it, and El Salvador's been doing amazing.
ian crossland
I guess people that are really fleeing persecution don't announce it publicly.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
And they don't talk about it publicly.
unidentified
They just move.
They just leave.
tim pool
They just leave.
But, you know, you read these stories out of World War, out of Weimar, Germany, and you read these stories about people, you know, Jewish people who live in the United States, and they're like, oh, my grandparents left before the World War II, and it's like, well, how'd they know?
And it's like, because they could see everything that was happening, and they knew what the Nazis were advocating for.
So they got out, and a lot of people didn't, and stayed.
And I read these stories of people who are denying they didn't believe it could get that bad.
They just indicted Trump's lawyers!
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
His lawyers!
And people are just like, oh, it's whatever.
Whatever, dude.
Read, please.
Read about any civil war.
Read about any revolution.
This is the breaking point.
ian crossland
Is this the kind of thing, if it's a conspiracy charge, doesn't that mean that either they're all guilty or none of them are guilty?
tim pool
I would assume so.
No, not necessarily.
Because one person might argue that they were never actually privy to the conversations and that they were wrongly charged.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
Yeah, this all seems to stem from the belief that Trump knew that what he was doing was wrong.
tim pool
If they will go after your lawyers, you have no legal protections in this country.
You have no rights.
They are just going to lock you up.
Correct.
A lot of jaystickers could not get lawyers because the government is going after people.
phil labonte
Yeah, if the government If the government prosecutes lawyers for defending people or for giving counsel, that's violating the right to counsel, the right to a fair trial.
You can't have a fair trial if the government is intimidating lawyers from working with you.
unidentified
John Adams represented the British after the revolution.
tim pool
They believe everyone deserves due process.
So due process is done.
phil labonte
But that's literally true.
That's something like what I said earlier.
The point is to strike fear into the population.
Lawyers are going to be afraid to defend people that have the wrong political opinions.
The behavior of the government is intended to frighten people and to spread the message that if you If you have the wrong opinions and you are vocal about them, the government is going to come down on you.
unidentified
And the only right opinion is what we're saying is the Biden opinion, right?
That's the only one you're allowed to have?
phil labonte
It's not so much the Biden opinion, but it's probably the left politically.
Biden is 80.
I don't believe he knows anything.
I believe that he's being handled.
So it's not like he's the one that's making the calls.
So other people are making the opinions, and he's saying them, and he's the mouthpiece.
But Joe Biden isn't wiping his own butt.
Never mind, actually.
ian crossland
You know he's sitting there like, I am wiping my own butt, Phil!
phil labonte
I really don't believe All right, let's read some more.
tim pool
We got Infinite Soul Daddy says, can I get a shout out for my 20th anniversary?
My wife and I love the show.
Also, if you're going to talk nutrition, you need to find a legit sources.
I highly recommend Dr. Lane Norton.
Shout out for your 20th anniversary.
Happy to hear it.
Hope all is going well.
Armored Jester says, I never called you crazy, Tim.
I too am cursed with being ahead of the curve.
I could be wrong, I'm just saying.
All you have to do is say, here's the scenario in which Democrats calm down that ultimately leads to the point where Biden and Trump hug, high-five, and wave an American flag together.
I'm being somewhat silly, but just explain to me a scenario in which, following these indictments, Trump supporters say, guys, let's stop fighting.
ian crossland
DMT.
tim pool
Yeah, I really doubt it.
ian crossland
Psilocybin.
MDMA therapy.
tim pool
Beau Bierneson says, next Casper commercial idea, we recreate the scene from Psycho where Ian is in the shower and gets pecked to death, violent screech and all.
ian crossland
Wait, we were just talking about that.
tim pool
Well, no, but Ian has been converted by the coffee.
So the next commercial needs to be someone else.
And the question people are asking is what would happen if he didn't drink the coffee?
So I think what we do is we have somebody Similarly, waking up to the scream, running, but they go into the kitchen, and they say, get the coffee ready, but there's no one there, and they go, crap!
Then they run in and start trying to fumble with the coffee, and they can't get it, and then Roberto shows up, and they're like, I'm brewing it, I'm brewing it!
No, no, no!
And then it shows them backing into the corner, and then you see just the silhouette of the rooster pecking, and then you see, like, a silhouette of liquid spraying in the air.
ian crossland
Yeah, and you can see the coffee mug in the shadow.
tim pool
And then you hear the weird demonic crowing, and it'll just be like, Drink.
ian crossland
Casper.
unidentified
Coffee.
ian crossland
Yeah, I like it.
tim pool
Then the next idea is Ian walks into the room with his eyes glowing and he says, hello friends, would you like a glass of delicious cast brew coffee?
And everyone's like, oh yeah, sure, I guess.
And then one by one they all drink it and then turn into zombies just like him and go, this is good coffee.
ian crossland
Mine's a little cold, I'll zap it with my red eyes and it'll be steaming.
tim pool
And then you can have someone be like, wow, does Casper give you superpowers?
And then he drinks it and then he goes, tastes good.
Doesn't give you superpowers.
Let's grab some more super chats.
T-Rex Patchup says, has Luke Rutkowski explained why he complains so much but doesn't vote?
One thing I always say is you can't complain if you don't vote.
Tim, how many mealworms do you need, live or freeze-dried?
I have no idea!
I'm not the chicken tender.
I no longer take care of the chickens.
I used to go out there periodically and I would feed the chickens and they'd all run around doing chicken stuff.
ian crossland
Oh, how can we answer that about Luke?
Why does he complain all the time and not all the time?
Why does he complain and not vote?
tim pool
Apparently he came out complaining about DeSantis recently, despite praising him quite a bit over and over and over again.
ian crossland
You in the chat, Luke?
Why?
Why do you do it?
Because he advocates for personal responsibility.
It starts with him and his community.
tim pool
Is that what he said?
ian crossland
No, that's just what I believe about him.
I don't know if he's listening right now.
tim pool
We will grab some more Super Chats.
unidentified
Is it worse to not vote?
In your opinion?
Okay.
ian crossland
I only vote if I believe in the candidate, truly.
I will not vote in an election if I don't find any of the candidates sufficient.
unidentified
Okay, that's fair.
ian crossland
But I will tell people to vote for a candidate I believe in, and hopefully that generates
more than one vote.
I feel like that could be more effective than one vote.
tim pool
All right.
Melissa Wood says, I'm more concerned now that they are hedging their bets on Trump
being elected, and they are warning anyone that may accept a position with his presidency
they will target, and Trump's left toothless.
Interesting.
ACDC says, Trump has been charged with more indictments than Al Capone and John Gotti together.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
Unreal.
Yeah, but they couldn't get Capone on anything.
They got him on tax evasion.
Wasn't that it?
Tax evasion?
Anthony Brownlee says, I live in Georgia and I am sick of these corrupt politicians thinking they know what's best for me and my family.
I'm ready to make a stand, quit my job, and run for office, but I'm calling for help to get started, not money, just information where to start.
Google, I suppose.
I'm not entirely sure.
Maybe you could meet with local officials, go to a local congressman's office and ask them and see what they can do for you, see what they can tell you.
Trent Lamalino says, I had only plans to vote for Dave Smith, but with him not seemingly wanted, wanting to, and everything going on with Trump, I'll vote for 45 Savage.
Yeah, I'd have liked to vote for Dave Smith, but I want Trump to win.
I'm not sure Dave is running.
I don't know what's going on with that.
There was like rumors of him doing it, but I don't know what's going on.
phil labonte
There's a lot of rumors going around the Libertarian Party about who may or may not run.
tim pool
I've heard a bunch.
phil labonte
If I understand, Dave is not going to run.
tim pool
Is that publicly known?
phil labonte
Well, I don't, if I understand, I don't think there's been any kind of like confirmation that he's not, but the, you know, he hasn't announced and everyone kind of is like running around looking around for someone for the Libertarians.
tim pool
The rumors I've heard is that the Mises Caucus guys are trying to find someone and their choices are awful.
phil labonte
One of them, one of the choices that I've heard is he's a friend of mine.
He's a nice guy.
I don't know if he's, I don't even, I've never seen him hanging out with libertarians.
I've never seen him post about libertarian stuff.
I don't know if he knows.
unidentified
Ian should do it.
phil labonte
I don't know if he knows who Mises is.
ian crossland
Ian!
phil labonte
Ian's not very libertarian at the time.
tim pool
But no libertarian agrees any libertarian is libertarian, so it works perfectly.
ian crossland
As you were talking, I was like, how can a libertarian run the country?
Because the whole purpose is that you decentralize the process.
tim pool
You're not a real libertarian!
ian crossland
It would be cool to go in there and decentralize the government, though.
tim pool
It's a funny thing about libertarianism versus communism.
Communists believe that every communist country wasn't real communism, and libertarians think each other individual libertarian are not real libertarians.
phil labonte
As soon as you want the state to do anything, you're not a libertarian.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Eeyore says, I'm curious if y'all heard of the gun YouTuber Brandon Herrera running for the 23rd District of Texas.
phil labonte
Yes.
tim pool
I think he'd be a great guest for the show.
Love the show.
Keep up the great work.
We have.
We have.
Absolutely.
phil labonte
Brandon is the homie.
tim pool
Promotional email says, don't know if this made the rounds yet.
Marion County, Kansas, police conducted a raid and seizure of local news agency, reporters and their equipment, happened a couple days ago, and I believe the woman who owned it, while they were getting raided, she died of like a stress heart attack or something like that?
phil labonte
Yeah, I heard about that.
Well, I didn't know that it was a woman, I thought it was a man, but I heard it was a person that died of a heart attack.
Oh, was it a man?
tim pool
It was like an old person who owned it, and while the police were, I guess it's like an illegal raid, they just dropped dead.
unidentified
Yep.
Jeez.
tim pool
Welcome to America!
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yes, but there's no GOP, they're not gonna do anything.
They're not gonna do anything.
It is time for prosecutors in red states to start indicting Fannie Willis, Jack Smith, Judge Chutkan, Alvin Bragg, etc.
for election interference, then issue arrest warrants for them and hold them without bond. Anything goes now.
Yes, but there's no GOP. They're not going to do anything.
unidentified
They're not going to do anything. That's the thing.
tim pool
Dan N.S.
says, Ian, they want power.
It will never be enough for them, make no mistake.
They want any opposition to them to be illegal.
ian crossland
Who's they?
serge du preez
Who is they, though?
unidentified
Jesus.
tim pool
Who is they, though?
Democrats.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's such a monolith.
tim pool
You know, I gotta do this.
Maybe someone listening wants to do this.
There's that song by Jem from, I think, like the 2000s called They.
And just listen to the song and it's hilarious by today's standards because of what it implies based on the, you know, like the ACLU and the SPLC and the ADL.
Maybe not ACLU, but the ADL and the SPLC.
And like, what are some of the lyrics?
Someone's like...
I can't remember the song, but look up the lyrics.
And I was thinking it would be funny to make a video where you have the song, They.
Any song that refers to They as a protest song.
And then after every key line from the song, it's Kanye going, who is They though?
You also have, I was into Muse, I forgot what the song's called, but in the song they're like, they will stop degrading us, they will, like, yeah, people know the song, and I'm like, we were skating, and the song comes on, they will stop ignoring us, or whatever, I don't know what the lyrics are, and I just went, who is they though?
And I'm like, there's a lot of songs that refers to they as people in control and power.
And I think we just need a compilation of every song that's talking about they, you know, or them.
And then just having Kanye jump in.
Actually, and you could probably do, you could probably do a cover.
Like, you could probably do like a full song where you make an amalgam of all these different songs.
And every time that line is sung, you get actually in sequence with the song.
Who is they though?
serge du preez
Oh, and like pitch correct it?
tim pool
Yeah.
serge du preez
That'd be great.
That's doable.
tim pool
That'd be funny.
Where we at?
Crunkaju says J6 was in support of Pence to reject the counterfeit electors, except Pence was a coward and backed out, so we were left with Biden.
It's not necessarily about even rejecting counterfeiters.
The principal argument was that, in some instances, governors changed the election rules without the approval of the state legislature, or courts did.
And the argument was, these electors should go before the state legislation.
There should be a session where they vote to certify this, if they want.
And if they don't, then they make a decision.
And Mike Pence was terrified that the deep state would come for him, as they're coming for everyone else.
So there you go.
Where are we at?
Let's grab this one.
Tyrion says, did Ian just honestly say Trump has poor people skills?
He's loved by his employees.
He's negotiated with his enemies and helped bring peace.
They attack him because he has those skills and is uncontrollable.
ian crossland
Yeah, I didn't think I didn't say people skills.
It was but it was similar to Socrates like he angers people.
You know, some people are well liked by everyone around them and some people are more divisive.
So he pisses the people that he's pissed off is coming back to haunt him.
I think.
But like he called Rosie O'Donnell a fat pig in public.
That's crazy.
tim pool
I think more than once.
ian crossland
It's disgusting.
tim pool
A fat pig.
Triton 54 says the 117th Congress is in its infancy.
Had to step over the dead body of a veteran to confirm the electoral vote for the presidency.
Tell me again we are not in a civil war.
The argument against the civil war as a term is that there's not discernible factions shooting each other in the streets.
The argument, I suppose, is if it escalates to that point, they will refer to this period as a civil war.
serge du preez
Right.
tim pool
Right?
So it's like... Yeah.
ian crossland
It depends.
tim pool
It depends.
serge du preez
It'll be like Weimar Germany with all the different factions fighting in the streets.
Yeah.
tim pool
I guess it could be, if it goes the Spanish Civil War route, you get a right-wing military coup, and if it goes, it could go the Nazi route, or it could go the Bolshevik route.
Pick your poison.
They're all awful.
serge du preez
People fighting in the streets before lunchtime, yeah.
tim pool
Bitorn says, how does Trump ever get a fair trial by a jury of his peers?
How many billionaire real estate mogul former presidents are there?
Haha.
Yeah, there was, uh, people are looking up the names of the grand jurors, and apparently a bunch of them are die-hard leftists.
serge du preez
Oh, nice.
ian crossland
I just saw the video of the 30-year-old girl that was, like, the foreman on that one trial, where she's like, they're talking like this, and I was eating a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles popsicle when we invited...
unidentified
Who the hell saw that?
ian crossland
That was crazy.
Her name was what?
Emma?
I don't remember.
What is that girl's name?
tim pool
That was crazy.
unidentified
Yeah, it was crazy.
tim pool
Patriot American says, Tim, in my opinion, the next civil war is going to be a mix of IRA guerrilla warfare tactics from the 20th century with modern 21st century resistance tactics like hacking using technology to inflict damage physically.
phil labonte
It's going to be all drones.
tim pool
No, no, I think, I think there's going to be like poisonings.
I think there's like, there, and, and look what happened in Russia with that, that influencer who got, who was given the statue that exploded.
I think, I think in modern fifth generational civil war, you see things like that.
unidentified
Geez.
tim pool
There will be hackings.
There will be industrial control system hacking and things like that.
Uh, power grids shutting down.
But I think the escalation path for this in terms of street level violence, I don't know if we get to that point where the street level violence is inherently worse, is substantially worse than where it was a few years ago.
Because those extremists are now in government, or the government has become extreme to where they're just arresting their enemies.
So you have Antifa fighting with Proud Boys in the street, yeah that's phase one.
The next level is now, the FBI is Antifa, and they're literally just going and arresting anyone who opposes them.
So in that case, it's a revolution.
You don't see a civil conflict.
And then if they win, history records evil people were arrested.
You know, the fascists were stopped before they could rise to power.
ian crossland
Do you think that American republicanism can exist on the global stage?
tim pool
Yes.
I think it's the perfect way for the world to operate.
People have their own sovereign states.
They can live the way they want to live, and then there are courts and councils so that we can adjudicate problems.
Like, I have no problem with international treaties and cooperation on solving International problems.
I don't like the idea of a totalitarian communist one-world government.
I like the idea that instead of going to war, we file a lawsuit with an agreed-upon third party, and then one country hears that, you know, we don't fight over it.
In fact, I would prefer if there was a territorial dispute, we have a soccer match over it.
Like, anything is better than blowing each other up, you know?
But who knows?
KCB says, I unbelievably agree with Brian Krasenstein.
Interactions IRL with political opponents are usually cordial.
IMO any future widespread violence would be aimed at the government enforcers who
impose penalties on anti-dissenters.
Wrong.
Just tell that to Aaron Danielson, who was shot twice in the chest for no reason.
Go to any political rally where whenever conservatives say they're going to have a
rally, the left shows up and mercilessly beats people.
Years ago, I watched them throw an explosive at an old lady who then fell on the ground and it was an M-80.
I say explosive, people are thinking it's bigger.
M-80, dangerous, can kill you, especially an old lady.
Blow your hand off.
And she falls down and gets knocked down by this.
And I'm like, this is nuts.
Like, they're throwing mortar shells at people, at each other.
It's the craziest thing that winter comes around and people forget what happened a couple years ago.
ian crossland
It is wild, man.
Memory, how memory is so temperamental.
tim pool
Yeah, you had jazz.
You had them unload hundreds of rifle rounds into a white SUV killing two teenagers.
And they're like, but interactions are cordial.
Dude, I want you to imagine the Civil War.
Do you think that the dude who like worked at the shoe shop walked outside and went, oh, I'm going to go punch my next door neighbor because he's got different political views than me?
That's just not what happens.
Granted, in Syria, it's eventually what does happen in full-scale societal collapse.
ian crossland
I think what the Super Chatter was intending to mean is that when you have a diplomatic conversation with someone, you can get through them regardless of political affiliation.
When it's one-on-one, not necessarily in crowds, not at rallies and stuff, that's a hard place to strike up a conversation.
But like here for instance on a show or something you a lot of times can have really... That's why the United States has stood the test of time to this point is because we've been able to talk about wildly different political views.
tim pool
I don't know if I completely agree.
unidentified
I think...
tim pool
It could be revolutionary in the sense that the left has taken control of law enforcement institutions, and they're going to use them to stop the right from getting control back.
unidentified
But why are those people not terrorists?
Can you answer that for me?
tim pool
Which people?
unidentified
When you just explained that they're throwing M80s into groups of people.
They're terrorists.
Yeah, but they're not.
tim pool
Because their allies are in law enforcement.
unidentified
There you go.
Right.
tim pool
And so Donald Trump was unwilling to use law enforcement to stop these people, and they are willing to use law enforcement to stop Trump.
phil labonte
There were official documents that declared Antifa a terrorist organization.
I'm confident that that actually happened on a federal level.
unidentified
So, on a federal level, Antifa's considered?
I'm pretty sure the FBI considers... Oh, because I'm pretty sure they're still going after right-wing people on... They'll go after them both.
phil labonte
They don't mind anyone who challenges their authority.
I mean, I'm personally, emotionally, I'm more of a right-leaning kind of guy.
But like, you know, I don't like the government at all.
And the government will go after left people that don't like the government.
They have no problem.
ian crossland
There's a bill, House Resolution 272 calling for the designation of Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization.
That's from 2021-22 of October of 2021.
I don't know if it's If it's passed.
It was introduced in March of 21.
unidentified
Introduced and just sitting there.
phil labonte
The FBI has sufficient latitude to go after anyone that they want to consider a terrorist.
And the definitions are loose enough nowadays that they can pretty much just slap the The Xbox Gamer says, Tim, how about that TimCast clip featured at the end of a new Trump 24 ad?
Saw it in a Benny Johnson video earlier today.
I think the Don wants to chat.
I have no idea to which you are referring.
tim pool
said. The Xbox gamer says Tim, how about that Timcast clip featured at the end of a new Trump
24 ad? Saw it in a Benny Johnson video earlier today. I think the Don wants to chat. I have no
idea to which you are referring. Does anybody know what he's talking about? No, I saw that
ian crossland
Benny Johnson tweet.
tim pool
What tweet?
ian crossland
A four minute clip of Donald Trump talking, but there was no ads.
That was on Twitter.
tim pool
On X. I don't know if that's what he's referring to.
ian crossland
Okay, maybe not.
tim pool
I don't know.
No idea how to find whatever it is you're talking about either way.
A Benny Johnson YouTube video?
Twitter video?
ian crossland
It was a Twitter video.
unidentified
Alright, let's uh...
tim pool
Puppy on a Train says, I live in G.A.
There was a question here about mail-in ballots with duplicate signatures.
One of Trump's requests was a signature verification to remove double ballots.
Governor Kemp did a standard recount.
That's right.
That's right.
They did remove some double ballots.
Atlantic Journal-Constitution confirmed that, but yep.
Adam Helm says, ask Phil if he will sing the Oliver Anthony song sometime.
That would be awesome.
phil labonte
The Oliver Anthony?
Oh, the Richmond North of Richmond?
I'd have to learn it.
tim pool
Make a metal version?
Metal cover?
phil labonte
It's screaming.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
A better future, says Tim.
It's Muse Uprising.
Thank you for what you do for the culture war, sir.
That's right.
Uprising.
Yep.
They.
Who is they, though?
ian crossland
I'm still trying to find out.
unidentified
Who is they, though?
Jesus.
tim pool
Yep.
Yeah, I want to put that together.
Just get a whole bunch of... So, there's Jem, they, and there's Muse, Uprising.
What other songs are there where they talk about they?
In Richmond, North of Richmond, he outright just says, Richmond, North of Richmond are doing this thing.
He's telling you who they is.
Yeah.
Who is they, though?
People in DC, politicians and political elites?
Where we at?
Joshua Mosk says, with everything going on, we found out the government and the FBI suppressed the Hunter Biden story, and a whole lot more.
Joe Biden admits they had a fraud campaign going.
Do you still think the election was not rigged?
When did Joe Biden admit they had a fraud campaign going?
When did they say that?
What are they talking about?
serge du preez
I think they were referring to the clip when Joe Biden mistakenly said that he had the biggest voter fraud operation going since, like, whatever.
Great moment, great moment.
tim pool
And the full context was he was saying it was we were stopping it.
serge du preez
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
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unidentified
Uh, no, thanks for having me.
I had a good time with you guys today.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
And you guys can follow me at Conservative Ant everywhere.
serge du preez
All over.
phil labonte
I am PhilThatRemains.
PhilThatRemains on X. PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
You can follow us on Spotify, on YouTube, on Pandora.
What's the other one?
Spotify, YouTube?
ian crossland
Mines.
phil labonte
Apple Music.
There you go.
ian crossland
Apple Music.
There you go.
Thanks, Phil.
Thanks, Anthony.
Good to meet you, man.
And I'm Ian Crossland.
Follow me on social media.
And I actually, on X, I did my first Space today at 4 o'clock p.m.
with Zach Voorhees.
We talked about artificial intelligence, God, and went kind of deep.
It was pretty awesome.
I'm going to be doing a lot more of those.
I don't know what platform to do it on.
YouTube, you can do video.
That's pretty cool.
Mine's just introduced streaming.
And, of course, Spaces.
Spaces has no video.
And I know the face is nice, but...
phil labonte
Let me know.
They're bringing Periscope back, if I understand correctly.
Awesome.
Really?
I think you can do it now.
Elon's done it a couple times, so I'm not sure if he can do it right now or not, but it's coming apparently.
unidentified
Very cool.
ian crossland
Well, follow me there.
Follow me on all those websites, Eddie and Crosson.
I'll see you later.
serge du preez
And I am Surge.com.
Looking forward to the after show.
Yeah, I have Equis now, so follow me on Equis.com, at Surge.com.
All right, everybody.
tim pool
We will see you all at TimCast.com in just a few minutes.
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