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June 9, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Call of Duty AXES NICKMERCS For Saying PROTECT KIDS, COD BOYCOTT BEGINS w/Riley Moore
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tim pool
Well, there certainly is a lot of political news.
Donald Trump has been indicted on 37 counts.
It's insane, including espionage charges.
I think we have that story, but we do have a very big culture war story.
Ladies and gentlemen, the gamers have joined the culture war!
I guess, because technically they started it, but...
They're back?
I guess it's younger generation of gamers?
This is big news as far as I'm concerned.
Call of Duty has pulled, Activision has pulled, a streamer named Nick Merckx who has millions of subscribers because he tweeted, leave the little kids alone.
He said he stands by what he said.
He appreciates everybody who has his back.
They pulled him and said, yeah, well, we're going to remove your stuff because we celebrate pride here.
Then another very big streamer, DrDisRespect, came out and said, no dice, sided with Nick Merckx.
What we are seeing here, while it may have always been gamers who are very much opposed to the creepy woke stuff, we are seeing now high-profile personalities join in, call for boycotts of these companies and these games outright on livestreams to massive waves of younger people.
Because regular people are rising up and they're saying no more to this.
So when you get a guy, and you know what they're saying?
They're saying that Nick Merckx's dad instincts kicked in because he just had a kid, and all of a sudden it's like, now he gets it.
This is what's starting to happen.
As the younger people are getting a little bit older and they're realizing what woke people are doing in their name, they're starting to say no.
So not only are we seeing this major move in terms of a call for a boycott on a major video game, Target has reportedly lost $15 billion off their market cap.
Now, we've got CNN and the likes of other companies, other media outlets saying, no, no, no, no, it's nothing to do with the boycott, despite the fact that Walmart isn't suffering.
Their stock seems to be just fine.
So we're going to talk about this and more, and obviously we'll talk a bit about the political stuff.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is Riley Moore.
riley moore
Hey Tim, thanks for having me back on.
This is awesome.
Absolutely, who are you?
I'm the State Treasurer of West Virginia.
I'm also the Congressional Candidate for the 2nd Congressional District in West Virginia.
tim pool
Right on, good to have you back.
riley moore
Yeah, thanks.
tim pool
We got Elad Eliyahu hanging out again.
elad eliahu
Hey, what's up everybody?
Riley, thanks so much for coming on.
We have, I'm sure, a great show planned with you.
My name's Elad Eliyahu.
I'm a reporter here at TimCast News.
Check out my work and other journalists who work here's work on Twitter at TimCastNews.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody!
I am Phil Abonte, lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
ian crossland
And I'm Ian Crossland, number four.
I was on The Culture War today, if you guys haven't seen that yet, with Zach Voorhees.
It was epic.
Tim, Zach, and I talked about AI for like two hours.
It got crazier and crazier as the conversation went on.
Highly recommend checking that out on YouTube at Tim Pool's The Culture War.
It was very fun.
tim pool
YouTube.com slash TimCast.
ian crossland
There it is!
And to my right, this beautiful man.
unidentified
Yes.
Hey, what's up?
tim pool
My name is Kellen.
elad eliahu
I see a lot of times people are like, hey, who is this?
unidentified
Who's this fake Serge?
Well, I work behind the scenes most of the week, but on Fridays, I do live switching.
Fake Serge, or you know, whatever they want.
tim pool
They've got all kinds of nicknames.
elad eliahu
But yeah, so that's me.
unidentified
It's good to be hanging out with you guys.
tim pool
Let's jump into this first story.
From IGN.com, Activision pulls FaZe Clan streamer Nick Murk's skin from Call of Duty following anti-LGBTQ plus tweet.
Quote, we are focused on celebrating pride with our employees and our community.
So first, who is this guy, FaZe?
I believe I have his YouTube right here.
He's a streamer, plays video games, he's got 4 million subscribers.
And what exactly did he say that got his skin pulled from this game?
He said, they should leave little children alone.
That's the real issue.
phil labonte
Leave them kids alone.
tim pool
So, uh, there's a great and powerful revelation in this tweet and what's happening.
In response, Activision tweeted this, a call of duty on Twitter, which is an Activision
game.
Charlie Intel says, it appears Activision has removed the Nick Merckx bundle from the
Warzone and Modern Warfare 2 store this evening.
Activision has not commented on why it has been removed, but the removal of his bundle
comes a day after Nick Merckx' recent comments about the LGBT plus community.
Call of Duty says, Due to recent events, we have removed the Nick Merck's Operator Bundle from the Modern Warfare 2 and Warzone store.
We are focused on celebrating pride with our employees and our community.
This is actually pretty amazing.
Let me get right to it.
Nick Merckx did not say anything anti-LGBTQ.
He said they should leave little children alone.
That's the real issue.
Let's break this down.
Let's dissect what this prominent streamer with millions of followers on Twitter and millions on YouTube said.
Leave kids alone.
If a leftist showed up to a school where they were protesting, parents were protesting these books, an Antifa person said, leave the kids alone.
Is that anti- or pro-LGBTQ?
It's very vague.
If a leftist said, leave kids alone, they would assume it was a leftist statement and say, the right is targeting kids.
Nick Merckx didn't say anything specific other than leave kids alone.
It could have been left or right wing.
So there's something else you can see here.
The fact that simply by saying leave kids alone, the left got triggered, angry, and pulled him from this game shows they actually understand that they are targeting children with something negative.
ian crossland
What is this?
It's a response.
What's it in response to?
tim pool
So, this Puckett account says, this happened four blocks from my Overwatch League apartment.
Americans are in a sad place right now.
Let people love who they love and live your own life.
And it was in response to the video of the parents fighting with far-leftist activists.
You can see the sign here, protect trans kids.
He says they should leave the little children alone, that's the real issue.
Now hold on.
Why is it that the immediate assumption was that this was a right-wing or anti-LGBTQ post?
I mean, the sign in the video says protect trans kids.
Wouldn't his statement be in agreement with what that sign says?
Protect the kids.
Yeah, they should leave those kids alone.
riley moore
Yeah, I mean, they've totally exposed themselves on this, right?
And the funny thing is...
The hypocritical thing is this is supposed to be like the party of choice.
And that's really what this battle is about, is that parents want to be able to have the choice to have their kids opt out of the Pride Month educational program that they have mandated every child has to go through.
Now, a long time ago, when I was in school, you could opt in or opt out of sex education.
No, I'm sure as it relates to heterosexual education, I'm sure that's still the case.
But apparently in Pride Month, there's no opt-out.
Like, these are the guys of choice, right?
Well, no, they're not, actually.
This is about compulsion, it's about control, and I think it's about brainwashing the young people in this country.
phil labonte
Yes.
ian crossland
I get that.
I saw a video of them dancing through the hallways of the elementary school, like the little kids, and they were like a rainbow.
They were like dancing through a rainbow portal or something.
riley moore
Yeah, I saw that.
ian crossland
I thought about it when I was six and seven in like first and second grade, and like what I would have felt going into that would have been very afraid.
Maybe that sounds crude, but it would have made me nervous, because I didn't know what it was, and everyone's screaming, but it's a chance to not have to do boring schoolwork, so a lot of people are into it, but I can see how kids would be not comfortable, but not saying anything about it, because when you're seven, what the hell can you say, and who can you say it to?
riley moore
And this is just one event that's happening in the Unified School District of Los Angeles.
They've now instituted, I think it's like five separate days of trans awareness, and a day of silence, and another pride month, and this and this and that.
If these people celebrated like the 4th of July, maybe perhaps like they celebrated this, we'd have a very different country, right?
I mean, it's insane.
tim pool
Let me show you this.
Nick Merckx responded to the backlash saying, Friends are created in good times, but families are built
through adversity.
Appreciate all of you that have my back.
Understand my position as a new father and recognize the love I have for all.
Ain't no hate in this heart, PNL.
I mean, that's it.
riley moore
I mean, it's very well said.
Look, I have three kids, right?
And no one is in control of my kids except me and my wife.
That's it.
They want control over everyone's kids.
I mean, we've seen that debate happen over and over again.
They want to have the control of shaping our child's future, their thoughts, how they view the world.
That's me.
I am in control of them.
I am their parent.
Not these teachers, not these activists, me and my wife.
phil labonte
The left is motivated to affect what they call cultural hegemony.
So when you have kids and you send them to what you assume are schools
that are going to teach them how to be good Americans, how to be liberals, how to be, you know, live in our
tim pool
society.
phil labonte
When you do that, you make more capitalists.
That's what schools used to do.
Nowadays, well, and what happened was the left realized that to Break that reproduction of the society is the only way that you're gonna get to a socialist United States so they go into the schools using a free airing method and They break that hegemony by teaching children
Their morals and their, you know, moral, the way that they want society to be.
ian crossland
What's the Frearian method?
phil labonte
Paulo Freire was a Portuguese Marxist and he is the most influential in current schools.
Basically, he wants to have generative issues.
So the way that he wants to, or the way that his Method is teach children in a way that introduces political themes to them, right?
So if you're teaching math The Frearian Method figures out a way to not only teach the math lesson, or teach the math lesson, and additionally teach the political aspects, or teach political aspects.
ian crossland
So like how many stars are on the flag, how many stripes are on the flag?
phil labonte
Yeah, stuff like that, but, um, so they would, maybe they're talking about, uh, you know, maybe they're talking about how much it costs to get into, maybe they're talking about money, right, or talking about, you know, using money as an example.
They would try to direct the conversation, and this is just an example.
This is not the directed way, but they would try to say, well, maybe you're going to get everyone in the car and go to the amusement park.
Well, there's a bunch of ways that you can make that political.
First of all, you could talk about the car.
Well, does everyone get into the car?
But is that really good for the environment?
How many people are going in the car?
Is it bad for the environment to go to the amusement park?
Who's been to an amusement park?
Everybody's been?
You haven't been to an amusement park.
How come you haven't been to an amusement park?
Well, you know, your parents don't have the money?
These are all ways that you can bring up politics in what is ostensibly a math or a geography or whatever lesson.
And if you can teach kids, if you can bring up politics, they call it a generative issue.
It can generate questions.
That's all the LGBT stuff is.
When you have kids in front of a drag queen, kids are gonna ask questions.
Why is that person dressed like that?
And then you can start talking about LGBT issues.
Grooming.
Exactly.
That's exactly what it is.
That's why it's called grooming.
riley moore
Because it makes it normative.
phil labonte
Yes, exactly.
It gives politically motivated people an opportunity to bring up leftist talking points and leftist politics.
riley moore
Well, and to that point, though, part of this is, as human beings, we have what's called observable reality, right?
So, to Phil's point, I could say, Phil, I'm colorblind, but that wall looks green to me.
Phil would say, well, I can see with my vision.
That is a gray wall.
Tim would say, that's a gray wall.
As society, we can say, Objectively, in reality, that's a gray wall.
But my perceived reality, it's green.
So we're having to accept everyone's perceived reality.
If somebody says, I view myself as a woman, and we're all looking at that person saying, uh, no.
Objective reality says, no, you're not.
Observable reality says, you're not.
But we are now having to accept their perceived reality.
Do you know where that's a problem?
North Korea.
They are controlling what is objective and observed reality, right?
They are able to control what is reality and control language.
That is where we are headed on this.
That's what's happening here.
And it starts in the schools.
tim pool
It's all grooming in a variety of ways, but there is overt targeting of kids with sexual grooming, but there's also ideological grooming, and it all follows exactly what you said, generative issues.
I know I explained it a lot, but just for the sake of context for anybody who hasn't heard, I'll give you a very simple version.
Modeling.
They say, do you want to be a model?
Modeling is a normal job, lots of people model, they're famous models.
The groomers, who use modeling to groom kids, will say, you're a model, it's normal, everyone does it.
Then they'll say, why don't you wear this bathing suit?
Then they'll say, why don't you take this piece of clothing off?
They're slowly inching you towards something sexual.
If you want to make the claim that you're just trying to educate kids, it would not start with books that teach the kids how to use gay dating apps.
And that's what they're doing.
There's a book called This is Gay, for those of you that don't know, a teacher in Illinois gave it to middle schoolers, and in the book there is instructions on how to use adult anonymous gay hookup apps.
Like, that is beyond just the intro level grooming.
Like, she's outright now instructing them on these behaviors.
riley moore
Well, and to your point on the introduction, Target, right, where you had this huge protest over Target, they're introducing bathing suits.
phil labonte
Genitive issues.
riley moore
Right?
tim pool
Yeah.
riley moore
They're introducing bathing suits where kids can tuck, right?
tim pool
Well, they were adult bathing suits.
riley moore
Yeah, adult bathing suits.
But, I mean, it's in a place where a family shop, right?
tim pool
And then the kid's gonna say, Dad, what's tucking?
phil labonte
Yeah, they're gonna say, what's pride?
You know, young kids that don't, you know, the first time that they're cognizant and aware and be like, Daddy, what's pride?
Mommy, what's pride?
Right off the bat, the whole month of June has become a generative issue.
And if you don't want your kids to be exposed to that stuff at four, five, six, now you're called a bigot.
unidentified
Yes.
phil labonte
It's unacceptable.
tim pool
All the schools are doing it.
phil labonte
Yeah.
It's unacceptable.
tim pool
I think conservatives, moderates, anybody who's anti-woke needs to sue the schools to get the flags removed.
100%.
riley moore
Yes.
tim pool
And just say it's a political flag.
It is offensive to a lot of people.
That's just reality.
You should not have offensive things.
And if the courts deem that you can have it, then start flying the flag you want to fly.
So there's that issue in Massachusetts where a kid wore a shirt that said there are two genders.
They told him to take it off.
Can't wear that shirt.
Sued over it.
The judge said, until we have a resolution, you still can't wear that shirt.
And my response is, okay, well then they shouldn't fly the pride flags.
If saying there are two genders is offensive to some, the pride flag, which appropriates God's covenant, the rainbow, should be offensive to Christians.
And that's a protected class as well, religious belief.
Therefore, it should all go.
If you can't have one, you can't have the other.
riley moore
And that goes back to that observable reality of two genders.
Like, when children are born, that gender is not determined at birth.
It is observed.
We observe what that child is.
tim pool
I want to jump to this next story from comicbook.com because the boycotts are getting crazier!
Dr. Disrespect boycotts Call of Duty following Nick Merckx's controversy.
They say following the call of duty has enjoyed an absurd level of success blah blah blah.
Last night Nick Merckx's skin was removed from the game etc etc we know this.
Dr. Disrespect uninstalled Call of Duty and said he won't return until they apologize or add Nick Murk's Operator Bundle back into the game.
For those that are just tuning in.
Nick Merckx, a prominent streamer with, I think like 8 million followers, no he's got more than that, he's got 6 million on Twitch, he's got 4 million on YouTube, he's got 2 million on Twitter, said, leave the little children alone.
That's it.
So they axe him from the game.
Now you've got this guy DrDisRespect who's extremely, also with millions of followers, saying, I won't play the game until they apologize.
What we are seeing is a major shift.
I don't know if Bud Light has anything to do with it, but I wonder.
If after everyone saw a 30% sales drop from Bud Light for doing this, two things happened.
People became less afraid, thinking, hey, you know what? If I speak out, I can clearly see
most people are on my side. And the other thing was opportunists thought it was popular and they
But now, real quick, now you have more prominent, high-profile people willing to boycott powerful brands over going in this direction.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Bud Light fiasco and boycott and success of the boycott Globally showed people globally that you have control with social media of markets and now they're emboldened and are willing to twist the market at will It can go bad as well.
I mean it can go in any direction depending on what side you're on I've always been concerned about people like organizing a mass withdrawal of money from a bank on a day We've been trying to crash the economy Bradley, I wanted to ask you on this.
elad eliahu
I know you talk a lot about ESG.
You mentioned Target and what's going on with Activision now.
Could you explain to us what ESG is and does that play into any of this at all?
riley moore
Yeah, ESG does play into this actually.
So, Anheuser-Busch, right?
Guess who one of the largest shareholders are of Anheuser-Busch?
InBev.
tim pool
Blackrock?
riley moore
Blackrock!
BlackRock is and Vanguard.
And so what, since they are some of the largest shareholders through the dollars that they manage in retirement funds and everything else, they have massive amounts of voting power there.
And so what they do is push initiatives like this at board meetings because they've been able to install their board of directors on those corporate boards of governance.
And that's how we get here, and that's how decisions like this get made.
elad eliahu
In simple terms, what is ESG for people who don't understand it in plain language, and how does it affect this?
riley moore
So, very short and quick, ESG, which stands for Environmental Social Governance, what it is doing, it's forcing dollars towards ideas instead of returns.
Which is the opposite of the free market.
Dollars should flow towards returns, not ideas.
And what they are doing is coercing capital towards ideas instead of returns.
And which is going to ultimately, I think, destroy the free market in this country.
ian crossland
You know, Vanguard, State Street, and BlackRock, I noticed, with almost every public company we talk about, has about 22%.
The three companies combined, BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, have about 22% of all these public companies.
22%.
22% of Microsoft, of Apple.
And it's, they never really have that much more.
They never really have that much less.
So at 22%, what kind of board power can you actually have?
riley moore
Well, I mean, think about what does Elon know of Twitter, right?
I mean, isn't it like 13 percent, something like that, like controlling interest or something?
But I mean, when he ended up buying it, I think the amount of stock that it took to get there, so... Right, he owns it entirely.
He owns it entirely now, but the amount of... So 13 couldn't get him what he wanted.
Right.
tim pool
So he had to buy it out.
riley moore
Yeah, he had to buy it out.
But that amount of leverage that they have, like each one owning 22, 22, 22... Each one owns about 7%.
Yeah, yeah, 7%.
But these guys in totality cast 25% of every vote cast on every publicly traded company in the country.
And the assets under management that they have is larger than the GDP of the United States in a given year.
tim pool
It's not just about voting, though.
Voting with 25% power doesn't sound like a whole lot.
The bigger issue is, if they have 7% of, insert company, and they go and they say, we're holding about $250 million of your company.
If you don't do this, I'm sorry, we're going to have to protect our clients by selling off all of this stock, which will cause a panic and a dump on your company.
riley moore
And they're all three coordinated in their approach.
I mean, 22%, look, I mean, is a substantial amount of control given, I mean, depending on the publicly
traded company that you're talking about.
And it gives them a tremendous amount of leverage.
ExxonMobil was a great example.
BlackRock was certainly not a majority stakeholder there, but through working through proxies who they were able
to put onto the board, activist members, in 2021, they were able to put board members on there coordinating
with their other ESG woke capitalist buddies.
They put activist board members on there that moved and were successful in reducing oil production at ExxonMobil by 20% and increasing green energy production by 20%, which then, guess we could have used that oil production right about now, right?
With gas prices.
tim pool
So can you, it was three companies, right?
Three firms?
riley moore
Yes, State Street, Vanguard, BlackRock.
tim pool
Okay, so who owns BlackRock?
riley moore
Well, BlackRock is publicly traded, right?
tim pool
Right, so who's got the largest stake in those companies?
Let's just say BlackRock.
riley moore
Well, yeah, I mean Larry Fink's one of the top guys.
tim pool
Well, do you want to know who the shareholders are?
First we have the Vanguard Group.
Next we have State Street Corp.
Then we have Bank of America.
And there's a list of others.
But I just highlight this because they own each other.
riley moore
Yeah, and Larry himself owns a significant amount in there as well, who's the CEO of it.
Yes, but they all do own each other.
And so there is, you know, and look, if I'm elected to Congress, these guys got to get, in my view, they need to get broken up.
ian crossland
Yeah, for sure.
I'm looking at BlackRock Inc.
and its own, 5% of its own by BlackRock Fund Advisors.
unidentified
Yes.
elad eliahu
Raleigh, for a moment I wanted to follow up on this ESG stuff and kind of play the devil's advocate role because a lot of people are pushing for this.
Many people are saying that free markets aren't working for everybody across our countries nowadays and we need to start worrying about the stakeholders, i.e.
employees or workers, more than just the shareholders, like where the capital is coming from.
How would you respond to somebody who's saying this is really about helping workers Yes, stakeholder capitalism is fake.
riley moore
That is not a real thing.
Stakeholder capitalism.
So when we, in West Virginia, we did a restricted financial institution list for companies that were boycotting the fossil fuel industry.
And I spoke to a lot of the biggest financial institutions in the country.
And at the end of the day, a publicly traded company, their job is to maximize shareholder value, right?
And when I talked to them, I said, well, what stakeholder capitalism do you?
And they're like, well, you know, people that have different interests.
We have, you know, communities of color, indigenous people.
We have green energy.
We have environmentalists and this and that.
And I said, well, what about the shareholder?
Where do they fit in?
They're like, well, they're one of the stakeholders.
tim pool
Let me just, kind of, real quick, just one second to insert this.
Pull this up.
According to Yahoo Finance, the top institutional stakeholder of Vanguard is BlackRock.
phil labonte
It is.
tim pool
It's crazy!
phil labonte
You are right.
ian crossland
It should be broken up.
tim pool
Anyway, anyway, Yilat, sorry.
elad eliahu
The follow-up was going to be that, like, oftentimes that, because it's, this is what people would argue, that when it's just the shareholders in charge, some companies get gutted out and it doesn't help the workers, and some people are just looking to benefit on the back end, stock side, finance side of it.
riley moore
So, that's kind of, I mean, shareholder capitalism, I mean, is not helping the employees.
Sure.
elad eliahu
So, exactly.
The stakeholder capitalism, the idea of it is supposedly... Although the devil's in the details and it doesn't actually, but... I misspoke there.
riley moore
So, in terms of shareholders, some of these guys do get some type of stock option and blah, blah, blah, and some of this.
The share or the stakeholder version of that It's not helping the employees either.
So at ExxonMobil's board, it's not a bunch of employees that said, like, we want to reduce oil production so we're working less.
No, this was pushed by BlackRock and then EngineOne, which was a former employee of BlackRock, who started their own company, and were able to get onto that board to help facilitate bringing these leftists onto the board to try to destroy ExxonMobil from the inside out.
I mean, all this does is essentially Redefine, and this is where it gets slippery, and this is by design, what risk is.
Right?
What risk is.
How do you define risk?
Well, they define risk by not being diverse enough.
They define risk by global climate change.
What they need to define risk is by the very simple definitions, what are called pecuniary factors of material financial risk and return.
They're going to end up destroying people's retirement funds.
elad eliahu
I think the idea here is that they're arguing that their version of stakeholder capitalism is going to work to help the average employee.
I believe free markets actually help the workers more than what they're saying with stakeholder capital and ESG.
I just want to understand, you don't think this is actually helping the workers then?
riley moore
No, this isn't helping the workers at all.
elad eliahu
Because that's what they're arguing, that this is for them.
riley moore
No, because you have Larry Fink at the top of this thing, right?
You know, over there at BlackRock, they all own each other and they're all in coordination.
Do you think anybody in these publicly traded companies have any vote or any say in this top-down?
Larry Fink has made very clear.
He was, of course, at the World Economic Forum just recently talking to Aaron Sorkin and saying, we are going to force behaviors.
We're going to force behaviors.
That is what we are going to do.
We're going to force behaviors.
And he has said capitalism, in his view, this stakeholder capitalism, has the ability
to essentially control people's behavior.
Has the ability to shape the world, is what he said, essentially.
tim pool
I got a correction.
That last talk I showed wasn't Vanguard.
It was a different company called American Vanguard, and they're confusing, and it's actually very difficult to find who are the largest shareholders of Vanguard, which is different.
But I will pull it up.
riley moore
So, Larry Fink says it has the ability to shape society.
But what if we don't want the same shape of society that Larry Fink does?
phil labonte
I want to interject on that.
The idea that we should be shaping society Every time that's been tried in human history, it's ended with piles and piles of dead bodies.
Yes.
Like, if you listen to Marx, he talked about new socialist man.
That man is not ready for the socialist system.
You have to remake man.
Nietzsche did the same thing when he talked about the Ubermensch, the overman.
He believed that without God, man had to come up with his own new morality and normal man, us, would not understand The overman's morality and the overman isn't in any position or isn't obligated to explain to us what they're trying to do is nothing new like the idea that we can reshape the world to prevent climate change, which I mean, there's a lot of things that I have problems that I have with the arguments for climate change, but
The effort to remake humanity always ends with piles of dead bodies.
The Nazis did it.
The communists did it more than once.
Pol Pot, 2 million people died in Cambodia.
That was 20% of all of the people in Cambodia.
There was 8 million people in Cambodia before Pol Pot.
They killed 2 million people.
Mao tried to change.
Mao believed that the sparrows were a problem.
And they weren't communist, so they were eating the seed.
And so he told all the people in China, kill the sparrows, don't let the sparrows land.
And what happened was, because the sparrows were not there to eat the bugs, the bugs ate all the crops and there was a famine and millions of people died.
When you try to affect the whole world, when you try to change mankind, humans Yes.
screw it up and it always ends in piles and piles and piles of dead bodies. This
ESG stuff is aimed at affecting climate change. You talk about the stuff that was
going on in I think it was the Dutch farmers that were having the problem
that's because they wanted to they wanted to limit how much they could
produce. They want to limit how much you can use fossil fuels.
All of our fertilizer is fossil fuel based.
It's all petrochemicals.
If you don't have fertilizers, then you're going to have famines.
Millions and millions, if they are successful in getting control of basically the markets, global markets, there will be Millions and millions and millions and millions of people, probably a billion people, that will die of famine.
This is not hyperbolic either.
All you have to do is look at the 20th century and see the death tolls that were a result of governments trying to reshape human nature.
tim pool
I want to, real quick, just... There's no shareholders of Vanguard.
Vanguard says they're the only investment management company owned by its investors.
It basically means the people who put their money in it, they're quote-unquote the owners, but someone still runs it.
riley moore
Right.
And to Phil's point on, you know, if listening audience is curious, Nietzsche, go look at Will to Power.
That's a book that he wrote.
It's a terrible book.
But look, it's very interesting because that is kind of where we are right now.
But to his point, in Ireland, they're telling them that they're going to have to cull, that means kill, all of their cattle to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from cows.
I mean, this is how they've lived there for centuries, for centuries, right?
I mean, so what is that going to do To the island of Ireland, the Republic of Ireland, right?
And at the end of the day, we have this collusion as it relates to ESG in between corporate power and left-wing ideology.
So it's this unholy merger of corporate power and left-wing ideology that you've seen before.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story.
We got this from the Daily Mail.
Targets market cap slumps by $15 billion amid backlash over tuck-friendly swimsuits.
Analysts say retail giant is hemorrhaging customers to Walmart.
unidentified
Oh no.
tim pool
Now all that stuff we're talking about, I'm just going to sit back and say we're winning.
unidentified
Yes.
riley moore
Yeah.
You hate to see it.
Oh no.
You love to see it.
tim pool
Regular people, we saw parents rising up saying, get this stuff away from my kids.
We're seeing gamers who have long been in the culture where in fact gamers started the culture war back with Gamergate, now still being very active and now taking center stage once again.
And now we have the Bud Light Effect, Target, Kohl's, North Face.
These companies are getting slammed by people who are just saying I'm fed up.
ian crossland
When did the Target boycott begin?
tim pool
Middle of May.
ian crossland
It was on May 21st when things just started to plummet.
tim pool
Yeah, it was like May 17th or something.
ian crossland
Two and a half weeks ago?
Wow.
People are just tired of it.
riley moore
And the great thing is that right now the free market does still work, right?
We're watching that.
We're watching that as it relates to Target.
But in a not-too-distant future, if we don't continue to push back against this, And look, I think we are starting to chip away at this ESG issue.
We are.
Now, Vanguard has dropped out of the Net Zero Asset Managers Alliance.
Now, I think they're still doing it.
They're still involved in it.
But they're starting to hedge.
You're seeing people start to hedge.
And these folks are going to have to learn their lesson in free market economics.
Guess who shops at Target?
Not your woke liberal elites.
They're driving Subarus to Whole Foods, right?
elad eliahu
Riley, so I wanted to follow up with you.
You're running for a very important in the second congressional district here in West Virginia.
I know ESG has been a big part of your campaign so far.
Are there any other big issues that you're especially concerned about?
riley moore
Yeah, certainly.
Obviously, we've done a lot in the state treasurer's office, which I'm in currently on ESG.
But some of the other big ones is China, something that we're going to have to contend with as a country and moving forward.
I mean, the idea that we're still making pharmaceuticals over there, I think, is hugely problematic.
They're going to be one of the biggest threats, I think, in the near and long-term future for us.
But domestically, where I'm focused, and I run what's called the HOPE Scholarship here in West Virginia, it's an educational savings account.
We must, and underline this, we must eliminate the Department of Education.
It has to go.
elad eliahu
Wow.
It has to go.
riley moore
Yes, no, the Department of Education must be eliminated.
If you look at when Jimmy Carter instituted that to where we are now, we used to be number one in education in the world and where we are now, it is not working.
And so we need to move that money back to the states and then take a portion of that money to create educational savings accounts all around the country because not as many states are as free as West Virginia.
Every American child, whether in California or New York, needs to have educational opportunity and choice.
So that's going to be a big issue as well that I'm going to work on.
elad eliahu
I wanted to follow up with you.
There's a very contentious Republican presidential primary going on.
I'm not sure if you heard.
What do you think of the primary so far?
riley moore
I have heard.
I've heard a little bit about that.
I have endorsed President Trump, and so that is certainly who I'm supporting.
elad eliahu
Can I follow up with you on that?
I talked a lot about this.
I talked about it with Seamus yesterday.
I see that you were endorsed by the West Virginia for Life.
Yes.
In a lot of Trump's statements, he actually sounds less pro-life than Ron DeSantis does.
I think Ron DeSantis was trying to push six weeks bans while Trump puts out tweets blaming the abortion issue for Republicans losing in the midterms.
So, how do you square, you know, supporting, endorsing Trump and being so pro-life when there are other more pro-life people in the field?
riley moore
Yeah, you know, I've seen some of those statements.
I can't say I'm necessarily happy with that.
In West Virginia, we passed a ban and it's zero weeks in West Virginia, so obviously... When was that?
That was in the last session.
unidentified
It passed?
tim pool
Oh, so this is January?
Yeah, so... West Virginia always gets ignored when these things happen.
riley moore
Yeah, so that's a law in West Virginia.
There are some exemptions in it.
Rape, incest, life of mother, but Uh, yep.
So that's what happened in West Virginia.
tim pool
I don't even understand the incest one, though.
Like, I understand it's bad, don't get me wrong.
I think it shouldn't happen.
When it comes to the issue of rape, that I certainly understand for exceptions.
And it's a horrible thing, still.
But I don't understand the conservative argument on why incest necessitates awards.
riley moore
Yeah, I don't really understand that one either.
tim pool
Like, if the baby's not viable and can't survive, there's not a question of exceptions.
It's an issue of, like, well, the baby can't survive if the incest results in deformity.
Now, again, obviously, incest should not be happening.
riley moore
Right.
tim pool
But I just don't understand what the conservative argument is, why we give that an exception.
riley moore
Also, like, how often is that happening?
Like, I don't...
tim pool
What I've heard from conservatives is that it's meant to refer to child abuse.
riley moore
Right.
tim pool
You know, like parents abusing their kids.
riley moore
Yeah, and I guess at the end of the day, isn't, like, rape still covered by that?
tim pool
That's why I just don't understand.
I mean, it's a eugenic argument.
It's a eugenics argument that incest results in abnormality.
And I'm like, I get that, but wouldn't the conservative position?
Like, I'm more pro-choice than probably you guys, I think.
I don't know about a lot or whatever.
elad eliahu
I'm more pro-choice.
Fourteen weeks.
tim pool
But so I just don't understand the conservative argument.
riley moore
Yeah, I don't really get that.
elad eliahu
I have another question for you.
So you come from a political family.
Your grandfather was, he served in the House Reps for a decade, then he was also the governor here in Western Virginia for a decade.
Your aunt is currently serving in West Virginia as the junior senator, Ms.
Shelley Morcapito.
How would you respond to somebody who says, we've seen enough nepotism in our country and government already, and that you undoubtedly do benefit from the family name, your aunt still keeps her, she has a hyphenated last name to still keep that more name.
How would you respond to somebody that you're benefiting from your family name and, you know, not necessarily your merit?
riley moore
Yeah, look, it's a great question.
I don't want anybody to vote for me because of my name.
I want them to vote for Riley.
And, you know, it is a fair point that people make on that, and I wouldn't argue for a minute.
But, look, I'm not running on my name, I'm running on my record.
And, look, I've got a very conservative record, and I think it stands for itself, and I think it stands on its own.
You know, don't vote for me because of my last name.
And if that's an issue for you, I totally understand.
But just take a look at my record.
tim pool
I don't really care.
Like, Jeb didn't make it.
Jeb was trash.
elad eliahu
But part of why they get some of that bump initially is a result of the last name.
Same with Kennedy.
I think a lot of Kennedy support just comes from the last name.
Same with the Bushes.
Same with the Clintons.
riley moore
I mean, but Ryan's pretty based.
unidentified
Yeah.
riley moore
Rand Paul?
elad eliahu
I don't think Rand would have had the opportunity, though, had it not been for his father.
And I'm not knocking your credentials, but the benefit from your grandfather was very influential, and your aunt is still very influential.
tim pool
But let me just say, does Ron have any other kids?
Does Rand have any siblings?
riley moore
I don't know.
tim pool
If there was like a third Randette Paul and she was running, I would be like, show me no more, I'm voting.
elad eliahu
Well, he's the third one in the family.
tim pool
Ron Paul's children I would vote for in a heartbeat.
Any apple that fell from that tree gets my vote.
elad eliahu
But isn't that nepotism then?
You're voting them because... It's family values.
ian crossland
It's favoritism.
tim pool
I'm half kidding.
ian crossland
You could argue that Someone that is related to someone else is the most qualified person for the job.
And in those situations, I don't consider it favoritism and therefore not nepotism.
phil labonte
It's not nepotism.
elad eliahu
What isn't nepotism?
phil labonte
Voting for someone because they're a father?
That's not nepotism.
Because nepotism, it means that, like, you get someone a job because they're related.
elad eliahu
Nepotism is the practice among those with power influence of favoring relatives.
phil labonte
I... Yeah, but that means that's... Riley's not appointed.
riley moore
Yeah, I'm not appointed.
elad eliahu
I think you undoubtedly benefit from the name, but the follow-up would be, the Thanksgiving dinners must be interesting.
I don't know, are you going to get the endorsement from your aunt?
riley moore
I might be in trouble if I don't.
elad eliahu
Did she endorse you?
riley moore
I don't... Yeah, I mean, yeah, she supports what I do.
She's supporting what I'm running for.
elad eliahu
She's the junior senator in West Virginia.
phil labonte
Oh, I thought you were talking about Mary Tyler.
elad eliahu
She is Shelley Moore Capito.
riley moore
We're not fans.
I know you're not, and look, Why aren't you a fan?
tim pool
Because she signed on to red flag laws and then lied about it.
riley moore
What do you think of that? Look, I don't support red flag laws. And look, we're related. She's my
aunt. I love her. But, you know, doesn't mean we're going to agree on everything. Right. So
it's I don't support red flag laws. I don't support any restrictions on the Second Amendment
whatsoever. We don't need to do. Yes. We don't need to do anything new as it relates to the
Second Amendment. Yes, we do. We need to repeal. Oh, yes.
We have to repeal. I'm talking about moving forward on any type of restrictions whatsoever. Hey,
tim pool
look, we've been winning on two way across the. Yeah, I know. We.
If you look at the maps of gun rights, it's just been victory after victory after victory.
I gotta be honest, I think people, they hear us complain about bad things, and they get blackpilled, and they're like, oh, Tim's blackpilled, and I'm like, look man, just because I'm saying like, hey, thing over here is really bad does not mean the totality of things are moving in a positive way.
That's why I often try to say like, look, I know it's getting really, really bad, but my vision really is the end result is gonna be awesome stuff happening.
Yes.
Like, the reason we are in a conflict culturally with, like, the targets, the Bud Lights, the Anheuser-Busch or whatever, is because we are now standing up and pushing back.
When you get sick, you are already infected.
That pain you're feeling is fighting back against it.
So the stuff we're going through now means we have engaged and we are seeing victory after victory after victory.
So I'm feeling pretty good.
I think it could get bad, especially with the Trump indictments and all that stuff.
It is getting bad.
riley moore
Yeah.
tim pool
But I think it's that we're seeing when someone is drowning, And they can't breathe.
They start thrashing around as violently as possible.
And they say, if you're trying to rescue them, you've got to approach them from behind and lift them up.
Otherwise, they'll drag you down.
The machine is in a death rattle.
It is gurgling and shaking as it ends itself.
It's struggling.
So I see the sun rising.
I think we're heading in a good direction, but it doesn't mean there's going to be some hardships along the way.
elad eliahu
Don, we've got to sail through that storm.
Riley, what do you think of the second indictment?
Well, first indictment.
What do you think of the indictments against Trump?
riley moore
You want to do indictment one or two?
elad eliahu
Let's start with two.
tim pool
Let me pull up the current story on this one.
From Politico.
Trump haphazardly stashed military secrets throughout his home, indictment says.
Prosecutors charged Trump with 37 felonies, including 31 counts under the Espionage Act of willful retention of classified records.
37 felonies!
I mean, this is breakdown of political and social order in the United States.
riley moore
And how many did they have in New York?
I can't remember, how many was that?
tim pool
Was that seven?
riley moore
Yeah, something like that.
The timing on this is so interesting, right?
It's literally the day that the Republicans in Congress announced that they have Biden dead to rights on the Burisma bribe deal.
Same exact day.
tim pool
And we knew it the whole time.
Remarkable moment on this show.
I'd like to give a shout out to our friend Hunter Avalon.
When I brought up that Joe Biden said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the loans.
And he goes, that never happened.
riley moore
That's on video!
tim pool
I pull up the video and I'm like, there's the video of it happening!
And it's remarkable to me how many people are willing to opine on the Ukraine conflict without having done the research into the Burisma scandal, the Qatar Turkey pipeline, Gazprom, etc.
We've been talking about this for some time.
I went through Ukrainian, Russian, British, French, and U.S.
news reports tracking down what was going on.
I went through Wikipedia, which is, I know, not the best, but I'm trying to connect the dots, and the dots are pretty clear.
The guy who was running Burisma, you got a former CIA guy on the board, you got Hunter Biden on the board.
It is clear that there is something nefarious going on.
When Biden came out and said, you know, we want to fire the prosecutor because he wasn't good, and then he gets fired and they put someone good in, lies.
The CEO of Burisma had fled the country, and the prosecutor had about a dozen or more, this is according to Matt Taibbi, open investigations into Mykola Zlochevsky and Burisma.
When the prosecutor got fired, those investigations go away, Zlochevsky returns to the country.
unidentified
Strange.
ian crossland
He was the CEO, Zlochevsky?
tim pool
He's the founder.
I think he was CEO, he's the founder.
Yeah.
When Trump then starts asking questions, what's going on?
Flees the country again.
Yeah.
So when Biden's intervention resulted in the guy coming back.
riley moore
Right?
tim pool
Nonsense.
It is clear as day.
riley moore
And so that drops the exact same day as this.
Not to mention, How many boxes does Biden have next to his Corvette in his garage?
I mean, like, what the hell are we talking about here?
I mean, you know, this is this is so obviously political.
And this Department of Justice has been so politically motivated now for so many years.
I mean, we've seen it.
I mean, how many investigations into Trump, right?
Oh, Russia collusion.
Fake.
Totally fake.
Everybody knows that it's fake now.
Right.
And so now here we are on this one as well.
ian crossland
I hope everybody knows that it's fake, if it's fake, because I have a feeling that 70 million people have no idea.
riley moore
I think you're right about that.
But I bet everybody in this room knows it's fake.
elad eliahu
So I believe it's fake.
Teflon Don, many people have taken shots at him.
He's gone through many impeachments and whatnot.
I can't even remember all of the scandals.
But it seems as though they're saying there's like a smoking gun here where there's this transcript in the indictment where it's saying that he's talking to a staffer about declassifying when he's not able to.
Have you seen this stuff and do you think this will be the one that gets him?
tim pool
Let me just, real quick, sorry to interrupt you, but hey, you want to buy a bridge from me?
elad eliahu
If it's cheap enough, I don't know.
Do you have a deal for me?
riley moore
Yeah, do I think this one's going to stick?
I don't.
I don't think it's going to stick.
And I would say in the psyche and the conscience of the American people out here, who are not kind of like brainwashed into thinking that Trump colluded with Russia and all these other things, I don't think they're going to believe this either.
I mean, how many of these things are going to keep coming up that they're going to try to get him on?
ian crossland
To answer your question, in New York he's been charged with 34 felony counts.
riley moore
Yeah, 34 felony counts in New York and nothing came of that.
elad eliahu
He's the first former president to be criminally indicted, as I understand.
Many people say this will escalate with a tit-for-tat once a Republican is elected.
unidentified
100% better!
elad eliahu
Do you want to see different former Democrats indicted on things?
Well, I'm sure they could find the Zbyrzma stuff with Joe Biden, but would you like to see Democratic former presidents also searched through and possibly indicted?
riley moore
I mean, not in any political manner, but look, if they have broken the law, then yes.
I mean, then yes, look, I mean, people need to be answerable to the law.
And I mean, our current president certainly isn't.
elad eliahu
A good prosecutor could indict a rock, is, you know, one of the sayings.
If you have a good prosecutor, you could find anything to indict on.
So that's why I kind of ask, it becomes political once they start indicting Republicans and then them trying to do it back to them.
riley moore
So on that... Yeah, and this isn't the first time you've seen this, right?
So they started down this path, impeachment with Richard Nixon, and then they came back in revenge on Bill Clinton, right?
I mean, so you've seen some of this before, but it's like, you've gone through two impeachments with Trump, you've gone through all these investigations and all the... I mean, It is, in one sense though, I'd say what's very interesting about it is that it shows you the power of the deep state.
It shows you how powerful they are and it is exposing who is actually in charge here.
elad eliahu
Absolutely.
unidentified
It's Joe Biden.
ian crossland
Every day it's Joe Biden.
It's the relentless nature of the organization.
tim pool
It's funny that me saying Joe Biden was in charge is a joke and everyone laughs.
ian crossland
Man, I saw a video of him the day just staggering around on stage with a vacant stare and then I saw his profile and it looked really like a fat cheek.
tim pool
I was like, Mr. Magoo is our president!
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Man, that show was funny.
ian crossland
And that's, it indicate like, why is the Justice Department going sideways?
Well, we have no leadership or a lack of leadership.
Like a good president, no matter who you are, is going to know that you don't want to disrupt and destroy your political establishment.
riley moore
Oh, if you're part of the deep state right now and you're working there, this is like the greatest time of your life.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
unidentified
You think they enjoy it?
riley moore
Oh, this is great!
Very little.
I mean, you just left your own devices.
It's all political appointees and people that have been there forever that are just having the time of their life.
And they're getting a lot done, unfortunately.
And I mean, it's unfortunate for all the people in America.
But I will say this about Hunter.
Hunter could play a very critical role in ending the war in Ukraine, I do believe.
All he would have to do, I think, for a brief period of time, given the nature of his consumption, boycott, perhaps, Russian liquor and hookers, and the war's over.
I mean, I think it would have an effect on the economy that would be irreversible, perhaps.
ian crossland
Like that Putin would fly him out?
riley moore
Yeah, it's like, Hunter, we need you back, please.
ian crossland
How do you feel about this war in Ukraine situation?
What kind of resolution do you see?
riley moore
You know, I think the unfortunate thing is that you're not seeing, and of course out of this administration, there seems to be no diplomatic overtures whatsoever to try to end the war in Ukraine.
And there needs to be some type of negotiated end to this.
If you think that The Ukrainians are going to be able to categorically and strategically defeat the Russian military and defeat Russia.
That's not a likely outcome, right?
And so they need to be in a position where there can be some type of negotiated peace settlement here.
The Ukrainians, though, for them, they want Crimea back.
They want the Donbass, you know.
I don't know if that's necessarily possible, but there needs to be some type of diplomatic overtures from our Secretary of State, who seems to be... Has anybody seen him?
Tony Blinken, the Secretary of State?
I hear nothing from him.
Nothing from him on this.
I feel like I've heard more from Henry Kissinger, who's like a hundred Right?
I mean, like, he's talked about this more than Tony Blinken has.
elad eliahu
It's funny you mention that, because Tony Blinken actually went to Henry Kissinger's 100th birthday in New York City, like, sometime last week.
Not to derail the conversation too aggressively, but I think it kind of relates to this.
President Joe Biden has said that if Taiwan is attacked by China, then we will defend them.
Do you think the United States should come to the defense of Taiwan if attacked by China?
riley moore
Yeah, I think that there is a, we do have to deter China as it relates to Taiwan.
And I think that there can be deterrence in that because you're talking about a massive area that is hugely important to the United States as it relates to the economy of the United States, right?
But deterrence is the key here.
I mean, somebody said a long time ago, if you want peace, prepare for war.
elad eliahu
Isn't it, if we do say we will defend Taiwan, that would be setting deterrence then?
So can we get a yes or no answer on it?
riley moore
I mean, deterrence is different than war.
elad eliahu
Well, we'd be deterring China by telling them that we would come to the defense of Taiwan.
riley moore
Yes, but deterrence is also power projection, right?
So we, I'll give you a great example, we deterred the Soviet Union for decades, right?
I mean, that was the detente, that was the deterrence strategy there.
Deterrence can be a viable option here, because they're going to make the calculation, because for them, they're going to have to look to see, okay, they're going to take airstrikes into Taiwan.
Eventually, they will have to put boots on the ground in an amphibious assault, right?
But then they're also going to have to take out our assets in Third Fleet, right?
Who's out there in the Pacific.
That is going to then incur massive casualties on their side and ours.
Amphibious, they've not done amphibious invasion, right?
So they're trying to think that hundred mile stretch that they're going to have to cross, what that looks like.
We have to make that calculation as difficult as humanly possible for them.
elad eliahu
In fact, just could Joe Biden has repeatedly said that we will militarily intervene if Taiwan is attacked by China.
Do you agree with Joe Biden or disagree?
I feel like I know we could put a lot of but at the end of the day, like, yeah, I mean, that statement is like, so basic, I guess it's what he says is why I'm asking it kind of specifically like that.
riley moore
Yeah, I mean, It's like with anything with him.
It's like it's such a basic answer It's like we should like what his answer should be is like we should deter China from invading Taiwan He'd argue that he's deterring them by saying that he would come to their defense And Trump did something similar.
tim pool
Trump famously bragged that he told Xi Jinping and Putin that he would nuke, what did he say, Shanghai?
Moscow, I think.
He said Moscow.
And he was like, and you know, they don't really believe me, maybe 5%, but it was enough.
And that was like, I'm like, man, I like Trump.
I get why he's doing it.
If it stops the war, Yes, this is the biggest geopolitical issue of our time.
riley moore
And that's the thing, we have to, the stated objective here is...
For me, to stop war.
Like, we don't want a war with China over Taiwan.
tim pool
I just think, to come out and be like, yes or no, should we militarily defend Taiwan, it's not so easy to say.
elad eliahu
Well, that's deterrence.
tim pool
The idea of deterrence is to... I get it, but it maybe makes sense for a commander-in-chief.
unidentified
I don't know what I could say about it.
phil labonte
I know this is related, there's talk about China setting up some kind of base in Cuba.
Would you support military action to prevent that?
riley moore
Yes.
elad eliahu
Oh, of course.
phil labonte
Well, I mean, that's like on the table.
tim pool
You know why China's doing it, too.
They're like, you want to come to our territory, we'll come into yours.
They've been sending their boats up to Alaska and Hawaii.
Yes.
phil labonte
It's the Monroe Doctrine is what it is that prevents it to keep anyone from basically Asia out of the Western Hemisphere.
riley moore
Anybody out of the sphere of influence of the Western Hemisphere.
elad eliahu
Although we still have communists running around in Cuba.
phil labonte
We have literal communists in the United States.
The FBI picked up Chinese police policing the Chinese people in the United States.
tim pool
I want people to understand this.
I'm like ridiculously anti-intervention and anti-war, but the only thing I can say is when war starts, Your pieces of paper, your Constitution, your laws mean nothing.
riley moore
Yep.
tim pool
The only thing that holds the Constitution together is a community of people who all agree these are the rules.
But if it came down to China setting up a military base in Cuba, we're talking, what is it, 50 some odd miles?
Is it 90 miles?
riley moore
It's 100 miles to Key West from that listening station.
There you go, 100 miles.
tim pool
So we're talking 100 miles away from U.S.
territory, not to mention our waters, If it came down to actual bombs falling, do you think anyone is going to stop in the middle of a war and be like, okay, we've got a wave of enemy troops and spies in this area and you go, hey, I have a right to stand here.
They're going to be like, dude, my children will die.
You will not block me right now.
We are at war.
When war happens, you're not, you're going to be hard pressed to find anybody.
So we talked about this the other day with Abraham Lincoln.
We were taught throughout our lives how much of a hero he was, but yo, dude had a suspension of habeas corpus corridor going up through Maryland.
The federal government arrested members of the Maryland legislature because they had pro-Southern sentiments.
Ain't nobody care what you think your rights are when people are fighting for their lives.
So, if war were to break out, if China invades Taiwan, we can all sit back and argue the merits, but if it came down to bombs dropping on our allies, I don't think there's even a question to be had.
Like, war hit us the moment other countries are being blown up.
Now, I know there's a bunch of very, very hardcore anti-interventionists.
I'm friends with a lot of them.
A lot of libertarians are gonna be like, under no circumstances, but I'm like, It's not so simple as just to say we can't.
If the war escalates into US territory, we have military bases in South Korea, maybe we shouldn't, but if they're under fire, if their ports are blockaded, if there is massive warfare breaking out, we are in it whether we want it or not. 100%.
I think the U.S.
sphere of influence should not be as pronounced.
We need better international agreements.
I wish there was an easy answer as to how you solve for this, but I do think if the U.S.
does pull out of these places, China just slams right through.
Yeah, they will.
And then you get war.
riley moore
And then you get war.
tim pool
I wish it was so easy enough to be like, the US should stay out of it in all circumstances.
But that's the one thing that keeps me from being an absolutist anti-interventionist.
riley moore
Yeah, and I guess that's my point is that our objective should be to prevent war.
It should be to deter war.
Certainly, I guess with his statement, he's trying to do that.
But what we should do is everything in our power with our allies there is to deter war.
South Korea, we have tens of thousands of forces there.
Whether you agree with that or not, they're there.
Japan, obviously in Okinawa, we have forces there as well.
And we have a lot of trade in between Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, and this country.
Those international shipping lanes and waters We'll be closed.
elad eliahu
I think it's 60% of world GDP that goes through those states?
riley moore
Yes, they will then control that then, right?
So our goods and services will not be able to reach those areas any longer.
And maybe somebody might say, well, we shouldn't trade with them anyway.
Well, I will tell you as an economic effect here in the United States, it would have a massive negative effect in the short term, and likely the long term.
tim pool
I want to ask a question for the people, the anti-interventionist individuals in the chat.
We have military bases in South Korea, we have military bases all over the Pacific, we have allies.
If war broke out with Taiwan, and then we were just like, we can't do it, we don't want World War III, so we don't get involved.
I can understand the position.
If China then starts blockading this area of the Pacific, causing resource strain in South Korea, which causes economic collapse, and do we then say, okay, we've got to at least tell them to open up trade, and do we then militarily intervene?
Not in terms of war, but to send a presence to be like, we are opening up a trade corridor back off.
What happens if, in the conflict, missiles go flying, and you end up with elements of Japan or South Korea taking damage?
Do we then intervene?
Like, physical conflict happens.
Taiwan's fighting, there's now jets, there's bombs going off, and then it spreads throughout the region.
Do we intervene then?
If you say no, I totally get it.
I am like 99%.
There's so much I don't get involved, would not want the U.S.
involved in because it's not us.
But the question is, at what point is the conflict escalating to where we would have to, in your mind?
Maybe the answer is never, because I'm genuinely asking.
What if the conflict reaches the point where U.S.
military bases are locked in, our troops can't get out, and now that the conflict has spread, South Korea is now involved, and U.S.
military bases are taking active flak in the conflict?
Do we then get involved?
riley moore
Well, I think you raise a really good point, right?
So, how many troops do we have in Afghanistan there?
tim pool
18,000?
riley moore
We have about roughly 60,000 just in South Korea.
tim pool
And these are remnants of World War II and the Cold War.
riley moore
And the Korean War.
tim pool
Right, absolutely.
And so, you know, my stance very much is like...
We shouldn't.
The US is just... I believe that the establishment, as we refer to it, is the empire.
And the American people want nothing to do with any of this.
We want to live our lives, work hard, and have a great country.
Instead, we have these powerful, worldly interests, global interests, internationalists, spending our money and our labor on Ukraine, printing money, Federal Reserve, all that garbage that I think is trash.
The question realistically though is, and genuinely, not rhetorically, when do you think there is a line at which the U.S.
has to engage?
Should we decommission our military bases and bring our troops back?
Or do we say a conflict in the region has now resulted in American lives lost?
We're involved.
riley moore
Well, if American lives are lost, then yeah, we got to get involved.
And I mean, yeah, it's tough, right?
And the problem is you're going to have a lot of dominoes fall.
Do you think for any... 28,000 in South Korea?
Yeah.
Any reasonable, including contractors and all those other civilians in there, I think it's close to 60.
And do you think under any circumstances, China stops at Taiwan?
elad eliahu
No way.
If Taiwan falls, then we have no credibility among our allies in the region.
And I just also wanted to mention, because of our troops in Korea, they are strictly there as deterrence to get killed.
There is no chance of them being able to fight back in case of an actual attack.
Those are just there to increase the lives lost, the political cost, than if an attack were to happen on South Korea.
tim pool
And that's a good reason for them not to be there.
elad eliahu
Well, no, that is the deterrence.
That is what the deterrence is at play there.
So now if North Korea wants to do anything to the South, or China wants to help North Korea do anything to the South, it's going to cost you 30,000 American lives.
And the consequences of that in mainland USA... Yeah, if we'd had 30,000 troops in Ukraine, Putin would not have invaded.
He would have killed them.
And then the consequence here would have been... If he had killed them, then we would be at war right now.
So that's the idea of deterrence.
tim pool
I think that if the US issued a no-fly zone before the invasion, Putin would not have invaded.
riley moore
There were so many things that could have happened right before the invasion.
It did not have to happen this way, mismanaged under the Obama administration.
tim pool
I disagree.
ian crossland
I think we sell it.
tim pool
Intentional.
ian crossland
Sell the Donbass to Russia, make them pay for it.
tim pool
If you want war with Russia, your best scenario is to be able to blame Russia for starting the war, then you destroy him.
If the U.S.
implemented a no-fly zone over Ukraine and asserted interest in the region, they could have done the same thing Russia did with Crimea with a vote, and you have a lot of people who are pro-West in Ukraine.
unidentified
U.S.
tim pool
could then put troops that are already in Europe, station them in Ukraine for...
Training of the Ukrainian troops.
elad eliahu
Wait, but if there's a no-fly zone, then we'd have to shoot down a Russian jet in the Ukrainian territory.
tim pool
It would mean- That would be war.
No, it would mean that if Russia flew in, it's a declaration of war.
elad eliahu
Yeah, and that's kind of the tit-for-tat escalation though, because then it's putting the onus- On Russia.
Yeah, but it's us shooting down their jet for violating it.
tim pool
No, you misunderstand.
If we put up a no-fly zone and Russia violates it, they've declared war on us.
elad eliahu
That's a dangerous, easy way to slip into war with Russia, which is why-
tim pool
We're at war with Russia.
elad eliahu
I don't think we're at war with Russia.
tim pool
We have US troops on the ground in Ukraine.
elad eliahu
We support their allies, but to say we're at war with Russia is like to say that we
were at war with Russia when we fought in Vietnam.
tim pool
So you're saying that actual US Special Forces on the ground in Ukraine, armed with US weapons,
providing US intelligence and US missiles and NATO resources to Ukrainians with US veteran
volunteers is not the US at war with Russia.
elad eliahu
Was that reported beyond the Independent New York Times?
tim pool
Yes, it was reported in the New York Times.
ian crossland
The Green Berets are definitely- I think it allows me to get a good point, because in Vietnam we did that, but we weren't at war with China.
tim pool
The war is there.
If the U.S.
said, we have an interest in Ukraine, we are training them, we are going to supply them, before the invasion, it would have put Russia in a very difficult political spot.
The Biden administration, the neocons, the US establishment wanted the war because we can't invade Russia and remove Putin.
Now we can.
Now you look at the drone strikes in Moscow, you look at the terror attacks, you look at the incursion into Russia, Belgorod, now it's, oh well, Russia started the war and now people are fighting back.
What may happen is if Putin gets desperate and escalates in Ukraine, The US can then say, we have no choice, Putin must be removed, he used nuclear weapons, and then we go into Russia.
riley moore
So, and to that point, why didn't they invade when Trump was president?
ian crossland
Because they probably thought he was going to nuke Moscow.
riley moore
Right?
Because there was a level of deterrence there.
There was a level of deterrence there.
And that kept the peace, right?
And, you know, clearly that was not the case.
We're not in that case at all whatsoever under the Biden administration.
elad eliahu
I think to answer the question, why didn't Putin invade during the Trump administration?
I think John Bolton was a national security advisor.
So I think maybe that had something to do with it.
I just want to throw that in there.
ian crossland
Nice mustache.
riley moore
Yeah, I think he's in favor of about five wars right now.
500 wars!
elad eliahu
No, but I do think that is part of the actual, like, a serious answer to your question.
riley moore
I think John Bolton helped play a role in deterring... Yeah, but there was a serious level of deterrence because, I mean, Trump was not to be trifled with.
ian crossland
That's the image he projected.
tim pool
I think there's a couple different factors.
One, Trump is, to a certain degree, the madman.
Whether you view that positively or negatively, his fans call him a madman, the left calls him a madman, for different reasons.
Putin probably saw that.
But also, Donald Trump's interests are in strengthening the United States, making America better, securing our borders, ending this ridiculous imperialism, and I think Putin was like, okay, we don't need war.
Trump crushes ISIS.
He's setting a timeline for getting us out of Afghanistan.
These are good things for the world.
He tries to negotiate peace with North Korea.
Not that he did a great job in terms of success, but crossing the DMZ was a great show of peace and faith.
Abraham Accords were fantastic.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
For those who believe in world peace, respecting the various cultures of the world and their
borders and their rights, Trump was doing a heck of a good job.
But the people in the United States right now at the top who hate Trump, they want world
domination.
They want a liberal economic order which controls all spheres of influence.
They want a unified sphere of influence.
And that requires removing Putin and putting in someone who will do as we say.
That involves working with China.
That's why we see that across the board.
And then what we're seeing with ESG is effectively these DEI offices and businesses, it's just like how the Communist Party of China puts their Communist Party offices in corporations.
Trump was basically like, hey, We don't want to rule the world, man.
We want the world to be stable and peaceful.
And Putin was like, that's a good thing.
And then what did they say in the media in the United States?
He's supporting Putin's agenda.
It's like, well, if your agenda, like Putin's not a good dude and his agenda is not world peace or anything like that.
I'm not saying that.
riley moore
Right.
tim pool
I'm saying he was like, as long as, you know, Trump's not trying to conquer Russia or whatever, then we don't need to go into Ukraine and do any of that stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
riley moore
I mean, look, the...
What people need to understand, and you use the term, Tim, liberal, like the liberal order.
People need to remember, in terms of the classical liberal, not liberal conservative, but the liberal order, classical liberal order, liberalism in the classical sense.
And the difference in between progressivism and neocons is neocons are progressivism with a fist.
That's really the difference in terms of... I mean, progressives have been thrown fists quite a bit.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, but in terms of a lot of the foreign policy that you've kind of seen out there, and obviously they're geared towards that as well, right?
I mean, Who was the bigger interventionist, Obama or Trump, right?
tim pool
Obama, hands down.
riley moore
Yeah, Obama, hands down.
ian crossland
He's a murderous... He was playing cleanup for Bush, though.
Bush made a big mess over there.
unidentified
In Libya?
tim pool
Yes, yes, yes.
Libya?
ian crossland
Not really in Libya, no.
tim pool
No, no, no.
ian crossland
That's Obama.
Libya was Hillary Clinton's thing, yeah.
tim pool
Oh come on, that's under Obama.
And Syria?
Obama!
ian crossland
But Sidney Blumenthal, Hillary was instrumental in setting up the fascists.
phil labonte
He's the commander-in-chief.
Buck stops with him.
And these are his people!
ian crossland
Oh yeah, for sure.
phil labonte
He hired all those people, and he is responsible for all of the military action that happened during the eight years he was in office.
So at the end of the day, it is Barack Obama's fault, because he was the commander-in-chief.
riley moore
They went in and said, we're gonna go topple the government in Libya.
We're gonna get rid of Gaddafi.
tim pool
We came, we saw, he died.
elad eliahu
Wait, what's wrong about getting rid of Qaddafi?
Qaddafi sucks.
ian crossland
He was the way they did it.
phil labonte
They made a commitment to Qaddafi that if he turned over his nuclear material, that they wouldn't take him out of power.
And then what that does, there was, there was, you can go look it up, but what that does- Quick, he's disarmed, get him!
What that does is that makes other states Understand that, okay, they took Qaddafi out of power, they took Saddam Hussein out of power.
That means that Iran only wants a nuclear missile more.
That means that the North Korea only wants a nuclear missile more because what it did was told despots that if you have nuclear weapons, the U.S.
won't do anything.
If you don't have nuclear weapons, the U.S.
will kill you.
tim pool
But let's be real.
Is Libya better or worse off now?
Way worse!
No question.
And so, when we're looking at a mess of a leader, of a leadership of a government, is it really the right thing to do to destabilize a country to the point of warring military factions, militias, and slave trades?
ian crossland
Not anymore.
phil labonte
Just because it's bad in that country doesn't mean that we are not capable of making it ten times worse.
ian crossland
It used to be a good tactic before air travel.
Like, if you have enemies across the globe that are literally cannibalizing and murdering, and you want to destabilize one of them so that they all fall into a war, they kill each other, then you're able to go in and set up real liberalism, that's understandable.
But now that we're interconnected, chaos over there is chaos over here.
So now we're stepping on each other's feet.
We're stepping on our own feet.
tim pool
You want to know what's amazing?
Arab world leaders never saw it coming.
Twitter popped up in their country and they said, what does it matter if people are posting where they're
going to breakfast and when they're using the toilet?
And what happened was Facebook and Twitter, which, come on, let's be real, you know,
have back doors for the federal government, the intelligence agencies,
they were operating sock puppet accounts to sow discord in these nations.
This is a fact.
We know that they did this.
They create fake accounts.
They'll have 50 accounts run by one individual to create the perception of popular opinion.
Then for the people who live in these countries, when they log into the app, the only thing they see is dissent.
They see horrible videos of police brutality, of government atrocities.
They start getting angry about it.
Then they see everyone tweeting or posting on Facebook how there's going to be a big protest.
And through the manipulation of the mind, through social media, they're able to foment these protests.
It is a fact that the Arab Spring was ignited by social media posts.
Now, to what degree was it legitimate versus PSYOPs?
I don't know.
The psychological operations could have been minimal, but we know they were doing it.
It could have been very minimal.
It could have been, hey, this is an opportunity for us.
It could go as far as it was orchestrated by us.
ian crossland
I get the vibe that it was organic in that only because there was no follow-up from the U.S.
They got crushed by the governments of the Middle East, and then there was no, like, American justice here to stop you from crushing your civilians.
They just let it, we all watched it happen in 2011, basically, from the sidelines.
tim pool
I mean, Libya escalated to the point where we removed Gaddafi.
ian crossland
Yeah, but wasn't that like five years later or something, four years later?
tim pool
I mean, the country was ripped into civil war.
You know, it is what it is.
That's a good point.
But maybe the results aren't just what you think.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Yeah.
riley moore
Yeah, I mean, look, if your justification is, we need to go take care of every bad guy in the world, We're going to be in war forever.
phil labonte
That literally makes bad guys.
Like if you go out and you're like, we're going to take care of the bad guys, all you're going to do is multiply the number of bad guys.
ian crossland
Do you think that Hitler was made to be a bad guy?
Or did it just happen because we sat back and didn't intervene?
phil labonte
Had nothing to do with it.
tim pool
Let's clarify, what do you mean by that?
Do you mean, like, the actions taken against him made him crazy?
ian crossland
Yeah, well, World War I obviously made him crazy, and made Germany poor, and forced Germany into a poverty state, so they were kind of, like, desperate.
So, if we hadn't done that war, the World War I, would that just never really... Well, look, look, look, had we done... And it wasn't us, but yeah, it was the British, basically, and the French.
phil labonte
No, no, no, the war started in Europe first.
tim pool
Archduke Ferdinand, come on guys!
elad eliahu
I mean, Archduke Ferdinand, come on guys, come on, this is basicist...
tim pool
But look, the fact that the Treaty of Versailles...
ian crossland
Versailles, that ended World War I, yeah.
tim pool
But it resulted in the Germans getting angrier...
Getting their territory split up...
And like, nobody made Hitler intentionally, right?
These are circumstances that arise that give opportunity to psychopaths and strongmen to manipulate, control, and then do horrifying things.
If we knew for a fact that an action we took today would lead to something like that, I'm sure we would avoid it.
People don't know.
phil labonte
Nobody can see the future. Yeah, and the actions that the that individuals take
Like whether you're talking about Hitler or Stalin or anything these actions were informed by philosophy
So like all of the all of what happened in the first half of the 20th century
World War one and World War two that was all informed by Marx
Nietzsche and the and Hegel and the philosophers of the century before it
tim pool
It is crazy if you look at Europe.
A lot of people just think they focus on World War II, but it's like, no, you gotta look at Russia, you gotta look at Spain, Italy.
A lot was going on split between the ultra-progressivists and the traditionalists.
elad eliahu
I'm trying to slow down and understand for a second.
You guys don't think we should be going after any bad guys in the world?
No, weren't we just diving into that about not being world police and not trying to chase after bad guys because we'd make more of them as a result?
I don't want to misquote.
phil labonte
We should not be going and taking, going into countries and removing spotting despots or dictators or communists?
No.
elad eliahu
And you call yourself an anti-communist?
Yes!
You should stop because I don't think you're an anti-communist.
I'm an anti-communist.
phil labonte
No, you do not.
Liberals do not go and export war.
Liberalism does not justify a country exporting war.
elad eliahu
You're neutral on communism.
I'm anti-communist.
phil labonte
We're out of your mind.
unidentified
No, this is not anti-communism as I understand it in any sense of the word.
phil labonte
Communism's a philosophy first.
elad eliahu
And they're communist governments.
tim pool
Phil, not an argument.
You're out of your mind.
phil labonte
Like, articulate... Oh, okay, so the idea that I'm not anti-communist?
You don't support overthrowing and fighting wars against... I spend most of my time learning about the philosophies that inform communists so I can articulate in a way that people can understand the philosophies that are Affecting our country here.
We are in no position to go overseas and fight communists because right now we have a cultural revolution going on in our country.
If you are not on the same page about the cultural revolution going on in our country, you can go and export all the war you want, but you're going to fall apart.
So you're anti-communist domestically?
States will fall from the inside if we make any effort to go to someone else's
country and remove their despotic leader because he's a strong man
that has used communist rhetoric to get into power. So you're anti-communist
elad eliahu
domestically, internationally, not anti-communist.
phil labonte
The biggest threat to liberalism in the world is the United States falling to communism.
Currently, we are fighting to prevent the United States from having a complete cultural revolution which turns us into essentially China with American characteristics.
tim pool
And being for or against intervention does not mean you are for or against communism.
elad eliahu
No, because- Wait, wait, slow down, actually.
Because as countries, countries interact with one another, and they're communist countries that have existed, and I think we should work against them, because they continue to spread the values that you continue to say that you're- That's not invading!
Also, communism also oppresses the people within their countries.
tim pool
We should be worried about the millions oppressed in other- I don't like anti-far leftists.
I do not actively go out and seek out their events to try and stop them from holding them.
That does not mean that I'm supporting Antifa.
elad eliahu
I wouldn't say anti-communist.
tim pool
That's a ridiculous argument.
elad eliahu
Phil calls himself constantly an anti-communist.
tim pool
Yes, because he clearly is in opposition to communism.
But just because he has a different stance on war than you doesn't mean he now supports communism.
elad eliahu
I guess let's clarify.
I'm militaristically anti-communist.
tim pool
Absolutely.
phil labonte
And you are... I'm not an interventionist.
I'm a libertarian.
Well, I'm not a libertarian.
I'm libertarian-ish.
But anyways, I'm not...
tim pool
Shout out to our friend, was it George?
elad eliahu
No, so like communists in Cuba, communists in Venezuela, should we work towards anything
towards helping the people in those countries or...
phil labonte
We should do what we did in the Cold War, which is export...
Listen, you need to stop cutting me off.
We should export liberal ideas and liberal philosophy because it beats communist philosophy.
It beats the idea that the world should be reshaped to make a communist world.
We do not need to export war to do that.
We do not need to go and bomb everybody we disagree with.
elad eliahu
I think I agree with you on one thing, that we should go back to the Cold War era of handling these communist nations.
phil labonte
If you shave the mustache, you would feel totally different.
You'd be like, oh, the ghost is gone!
ian crossland
I can see again!
tim pool
What actually happened was, Bolton's mustache is actually an entity.
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
And it was breeding.
ian crossland
It has a brain of its own.
tim pool
I saw Elon outside with no mustache, and the mustache jumped on his face and he went...
ian crossland
It sounds like, Phil, you're particularly against this CIA doctrine of the jackals sending in the economic warfare, the economic hitmen, where they'll send in first, they try and bribe the country.
If it doesn't work, then they'll send in hitmen to assassinate.
If that doesn't work, they send in the troops.
phil labonte
I don't have a particular policy preference that the United States should take about how to deal with other countries and their political philosophy.
ian crossland
But what if they start invading and conquering their neighbors?
phil labonte
Well, I mean, it depends on... I think you need to make a U.S.
riley moore
national interest calculation on that.
How does that affect us, right?
I mean, does that threaten our security?
Does that threaten our country?
There's a U.S.
national security interest, a kind of real politic that you got to take a look at when you're looking at these issues.
And is it an existential threat to our way of life, to our economy, to what... There are times where we do have to act, but it's not every time.
elad eliahu
It's a nice nuanced position to take.
It's nice to hear.
ian crossland
And then what if our economy is not going to get hurt but like the British economy is?
But then you would argue that that's all then is going to be like a domino going to affect our economy?
riley moore
Could, right?
I mean, I don't think that there's, you know, you can't live in, like, black and white in this.
You know, it's like, well, if this happens, do you do this?
I mean, it depends on the circumstances.
Are we talking about China's invading, you know, the United Kingdom?
ian crossland
Well, no, particularly Russia invading Ukraine, because I think people think it's like Germany invading Poland.
They're looking at it like the beginning of the Nazi conquer of Earth, and that's why we're there.
tim pool
But it's not so simple.
NATO's expansion is a component of this as well.
ian crossland
But I think the breakup of Germany was the reason why it happened the first time.
phil labonte
Breakup of Germany?
ian crossland
Yeah, after World War I, they split it up.
They took pieces of Germany and gave it to Poland, so Hitler was trying to take it back.
tim pool
And then we can go back in time further and back in time further.
As we're talking right now, NATO should not have been expanding into the Baltic states bordering Russia.
And I'm not saying that for that reason we are at fault.
I'm saying a lot of things played a role in how we ended up at this point with Ukraine.
The U.S.
is not served by what they're doing.
The globalist elite, the Davos group, these psychopaths, the imperialists, they're benefiting from it if they win, but the American people are only losing out because of it.
To be fair, There's a such a big complicated picture.
I love this so much.
The United States has all of its wealth because we have guns and because we're willing to go to war.
The Federal Reserve, we print money and we have the reserve currency and then these powerful elites are willing to just go and destroy whatever to maintain that.
And this is why we have lazy entitled city urban liberal types Who don't do real work but somehow have access to all of this food and wealth and luxury.
I do not believe that's good for this country.
I do not believe the path that we've been going on culturally in this country is good for humans or Americans.
What America should be is hard-working individuals who take responsibility for themselves, who give people the civil rights they deserve.
Instead what we have is Powerful global elites who think that we should be at war in Ukraine, be at war with Russia, remove Putin, remove all opposition, expand our military bases, so that we can maintain the reserve currency, so that we can live fat and happy in our country without doing any work.
I don't see a net benefit to that in the long run.
ian crossland
No, I think that if we culturally were sufficient, people around Earth would be joining us.
They would try to create a United States of their own.
phil labonte
I think that that's a whole lot of assumption.
When we went into Iraq, they were of the mind that all they had to do was get Saddam out of power, and then all the Iraqi people would say, oh, we want democracy, we love democracy, now we're liberals.
And that's not the way people work.
ian crossland
Do you think they really thought that, or that's what they told us?
phil labonte
Absolutely.
They absolutely thought that.
I think they believed that truly.
tim pool
I don't think so.
phil labonte
You don't think they did?
What are your thoughts on it?
tim pool
I think these people totally understand what they're doing.
I think the war machine knew, we're going to go into an entirely foreign culture that does not care for what we think, has a different God than us, and we're going to have to shake the minds of these people.
And it's going to be very difficult.
The reason why we wanted our troops in Afghanistan for as long as possible was because we wanted to create three generations of Americanized Afghanis to create and build a country.
We knew we weren't going to be welcomed as liberators in Iraq.
We had to spark a culture revolution and force these people to live under our rules.
phil labonte
I think they were true believers.
I think they bought their... I think they were smelling their own farts and they believed their own stuff.
ian crossland
I think George Bush believed it, that we would go in there and then they would join us.
unidentified
I think George Bush was just mad that he went after us.
phil labonte
He was mad about the assassination attempt on his dad.
riley moore
The massive miscalculation on their part, though, was not taking in the ethnic and tribal dynamics of the country, right?
You know, Sunnis and Shias and Kurds are all of a sudden going to hold hands across a rock and now all of a sudden...
Yeah, we believe in this.
Those identities far predate the arbitrary lines that were made to create the nation of Iraq by the colonial powers at the time, right?
You know, the Shias that are living within Iraq, right, feel more affinity towards Iran, right?
And obviously the Sunnis.
I mean there's a massive miscalculation that there was going to be this like kind of like multiculturalism kumbaya like we have in the United States over in Iraq and that's not...
ian crossland
Sunni and Shia, and I'm not an expert in any fashion, but is it the derivation from Muhammad's direct descendants became the Sunni, and then Muhammad's daughter's direct descendants became the Shia?
tim pool
Anyone?
riley moore
If I remember correctly, it was when Muhammad died, and then there was the succession, right?
And if I remember correctly, it was either his cousin and then his son-in-law, something like that.
I could be wrong.
Somebody on the internet is going to be like, you're wrong, Riley.
But there was two individuals, essentially, in the family, and it split.
And that's kind of how they ended up heading in that direction.
Then there's different sects of Shia Islam that exist out there as well.
Also, I mean, within Sunnis, but... You also have, in a lot of these areas, tribal factions.
tim pool
Yes.
And they're smaller and they don't get along.
And trying to unify all these different tribes is...
Not impossible.
ian crossland
Just bring him internet, get him fresh water, hope for the best.
tim pool
And the crazy thing is, you guys hear about that shopkeeper in San Francisco who said that San Francisco is worse than Afghanistan?
unidentified
Oh, God.
ian crossland
No.
Did the person serve in Afghanistan that said it?
tim pool
He said he was from Afghanistan.
He was Afghan, he moved here, and he said he had robbers break into his store and steal all his stuff.
And he was like, at least the Taliban terrifies these people by threatening to cut their hands off.
The Democrats let all these criminals go, and so they just get away with everything.
And he was like, this is worse.
ian crossland
Yeah, how's crime in West Virginia?
tim pool
That's kind of crazy.
riley moore
Crime in West Virginia is low.
We have constitutional carry in West Virginia, and we also have a castle doctrine.
tim pool
I don't think per capita it's low, but I think it's numerically low.
riley moore
Yeah, numerically it's low.
ian crossland
Is that for, like, a business?
Does Castle Doctrine function with business at all?
riley moore
That's your home.
ian crossland
So if you ask someone to leave your business and they don't, they're trespassing and you have a right to shoot?
riley moore
Yeah, Castle Doctrine, I mean, if they're... Oh, Castle Doctrine is only in your home.
Right, that's your home.
But, you know, it is funny to think about, though, just to go back, if we invaded, like, Iraq today and we're like, hey guys, we've got this thing called Pride Month we're gonna bring to Iraq.
What do you think?
tim pool
West Virginia's violent crime is below the national median.
A little bit.
A little bit below.
ian crossland
I don't know.
elad eliahu
In Afghanistan, I hear they do groom kids.
Maybe they're even worse over there.
riley moore
That's true.
elad eliahu
Maybe we should bring those liberal values over there.
phil labonte
I heard a saying that dudes in the military brought back that they'd heard Afghani men saying, boys are for pleasure, women are for babies.
tim pool
I just want to make sure I highlight this just to clarify.
I think I was pretty wrong.
I just looked it up.
Property crime is below the national median.
Crime per square mile below the national median.
Violent crime per capita below the national median.
West Virginia is a very safe place.
riley moore
A very safe and well-armed place.
Yeah, absolutely.
ian crossland
You know, rainbows, now that we're talking about it, are actually circles.
Did you know?
And we only see half of them, but a skydiver caught one on camera like four days ago, and it's a complete circle on the ground.
tim pool
You can see them from planes.
ian crossland
And it is awesome to look at.
tim pool
Trying to figure out where that gold went.
unidentified
It's a portal.
riley moore
You're gonna have to look that up.
tim pool
It's just a light, you know.
ian crossland
Go deep inside that rainbow portal.
riley moore
You go through the portal, you end up in downtown San Francisco.
ian crossland
That's what I'm talking about!
tim pool
West Virginia is 1.78 million people?
ian crossland
It's only 1.78 million.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, so I guess, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's that when the settlers came to the country, they settled in all these areas where it was easy to travel, but West Virginia is very mountainous, so getting wagons up there was difficult, so they mostly avoided it.
Now we have improved roads and travel, it's a lot easier to live here, and so you end up with a decent amount of people.
ian crossland
But it's only like eight generations removed, 15 generations removed.
tim pool
But it's crazy, like surrounding West Virginia is a very, very dense population.
We have the high ground.
riley moore
Yep, we got the high ground.
We're in a good position.
And yeah, I mean, look, that's why our West Virginia University, our mascot's a Mountaineer.
That's what we are.
I mean, we're Mountaineers.
We're people that are kind of out there on our own.
We got a great state motto.
Mountaineers are always free.
ian crossland
Do you ever think about bringing Virginia and West Virginia back together?
riley moore
I would not want to be part of Virginia, no.
Yeah, me neither.
I don't need Loudoun County actually being part of... Jefferson's got it rough enough trying to push out all the woke nonsense.
tim pool
So for those that aren't familiar, Jefferson County is like the panhandle.
And it's like an hour drive from here to Baltimore or D.C.
You go straight or you go east or you go a little southeast, you get D.C.
or Baltimore.
So all of that urban liberal stuff is very close, and the funny thing about D.C.
and Baltimore is that a lot of these well-to-do liberal types buy property in West Virginia, where it's safer, the property's nicer, and then they bring their garbage views with them, but they're trying to escape what they've built.
They work in D.C., they come stay here, and it's like, what I really love is the Facebook groups where you can tell who's from DC when they move out.
And I'm seeing all the locals laugh.
They'll be like, there was a raccoon in my yard, what do I do?
And they're like, get your gun.
riley moore
I'm like, what?
tim pool
I don't have one of those.
There was one who was like, someone left the trash out.
And it's like, welcome to a mountain full of right wing nut jobs.
Are you nuts?
Like, don't come here.
ian crossland
What's it like getting a gun in West Virginia?
What's the process like?
riley moore
It's pretty, fairly straightforward.
It's pretty easy.
ian crossland
Like, I'm a super noob.
tim pool
I will explain to you.
You walk into a gun store.
You say, I would like to purchase this gun.
And they say, please give me your ID and fill out this federal background check form.
You fill it out.
They say, we will now have your federal background check run.
We'll let you know.
It may take a few minutes.
For the average person, it will then be brought back, cleared.
And then they'll say, you are now cleared to purchase the weapon.
ian crossland
Any weapon, like a handgun or a rifle?
riley moore
Yeah, same day.
I, a few months back, just got an AR-10.
6.5 Creedmoor.
What kind?
6.5 Creedmoor.
Who made that shit?
Custom-built, Harper's Ferry Armory.
Pull up them real quick.
And they actually made one for Don Jr.
tim pool
Oh, Harper's Ferry Armory you did?
Yes.
You know, it's...
I don't know if it matters, but the Harper's Ferry Armory brand is a heck of a brand name, you know what I mean?
ian crossland
Yes, it is.
Dude, the AR-10 NATO battle rifle designed by a dude named Eugene Stoner.
Yes.
What's happening?
riley moore
What's up?
ian crossland
No red flag laws there.
tim pool
So, Ian, if you tried to buy a gun first, you have to have an ID in the state, you have to be a resident.
Okay.
They would probably, the federal government would probably delay you by the max amount, which I think is 72 hours, right?
riley moore
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, you'd be max delayed basically them grumbling, saying they don't think you should have a weapon.
ian crossland
He said, air's too long.
tim pool
When I first, the first gun I bought they put me on a three-day, they did not respond to the background check until it, there's a law basically they cannot deny you, so after three days their right to a background check expires.
ian crossland
Do you think that background checks are reasonable?
tim pool
It's a difficult question, because you open the door to restrictions on all things, and it's like,
how many inches do I want to give the people that want to strip me of my rights? So,
in the honest and the most honest sense, yes, they're reasonable.
In the political sense, absolutely not.
These people who are coming up being like, we need universal background checks.
I'm like, we have them.
What are you talking about?
You can't buy government.
No, no, no, we got to do it.
They want registries.
riley moore
They want national gun registries.
ian crossland
So if it was a read-only process where they could access data, but they're not putting in data that I'm getting the thing, that might be more reasonable.
riley moore
You know, it's funny you bring this up because we dealt with this in West Virginia.
I had a big win this year around this.
So We did a piece of legislation out of my office on the National Gun Registry that the credit card companies and banks were trying to institute through the Merchant Category Code.
So they were going to recode.
Right now, firearms had always just been sporting goods.
So I could have bought a fishing pole, some ammunition, whatever.
It's sporting goods.
That's how it's coded.
Elizabeth Warren and the rest of the crew wanted to put in guns and ammunition specifically so they could start to track that and then have finance, this is an ESG issue, and then have the banks and credit card companies flag what they deem as suspicious activity.
So we put a bill in the legislature passed And this was the tricky thing, not to necessarily just ban the code, but create, you know what banks hate?
Lawsuits.
We created a cause of action so you could sue for every time your data was shared, which they said, this could cost us millions.
I'm like, yes, exactly, it could.
So Visa and MasterCard then issued a statement publicly, nationally, saying, due to the legislation in the state of West Virginia, we're going to pause implementing this, not just in West Virginia, but in the entire United States.
tim pool
I want to clarify, too.
What I should say is, idealistically, there are a lot of things when it comes to guns that would be good, if possible, but aren't.
So realistically, I don't think you could implement any of these, anything.
Like, saying that, there's a couple ways to consider it.
Due process exists.
If you, through due process, your rights can be curtailed.
If you in some way, say you're notorious, son of a politician, well known for doing crack or something, and you try to acquire a weapon, I think it is idealistically reasonable to say, We should be able to figure out if this, you know, politician's son, who does a lot of crack, is trying to buy a weapon, because we don't trust this guy.
But realistically, you can't do it without infringing on someone's rights, so the only thing you can really do is just say no.
The real issue is, if we say through due process you can't buy a gun, and you do, you broke the law, and then we have to then go and arrest you.
ian crossland
I could be wrong, but I think you have the right to own a gun, but not necessarily, does it say anywhere in there about purchase, does it?
tim pool
Does it say anywhere in there except?
Does it say the right to keep a mirror arm shall not be infringed unless?
ian crossland
No, so I guess having one would entail receiving one.
tim pool
You have to be able to buy it.
You have to be able to make one.
Yeah, absolutely.
And they put all these restrictions on it would clearly violate Second Amendment.
It's crazy.
Absolutely insane.
riley moore
You know you need to get a concealed weapons permit in West Virginia?
Nothing.
tim pool
That is your background check.
riley moore
Because it's in the Constitution.
unidentified
Oh.
riley moore
We have constitutional carry.
All you need to do is carry it.
tim pool
But if you get your concealed carry in West Virginia, it's considered a high-intensity background check.
That's not the legal term they use.
But that basically means you have proven beyond a great doubt about your background.
So with a concealed carry in West Virginia, you don't actually do a background check per weapon.
Because you've already done it.
riley moore
Yeah, and you do get reciprocity with other states.
So like you would get reciprocity in Virginia.
So if I'm crossing the West Virginia, Virginia border, my concealed weapons permit is recognized in Virginia as well.
ian crossland
Is it all the bordering states?
riley moore
No, Maryland does not work.
tim pool
And be careful.
riley moore
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, that makes me always has made me very nervous that I'm going to just go to the wrong spot without knowing it.
And I know some stupid trouble.
tim pool
I know people, I know people who have gone to prison.
I know a guy who was not from Illinois, from California, had guns in his trunk, drove through Illinois, got pulled over, arrested him on the spot, put him in prison on the spot, and now he's a permanent, he became a quote-unquote permanent resident of Illinois because they wouldn't let him leave.
ian crossland
It does require responsibility and knowing the law is a big part of being responsible.
tim pool
You have certain federal presumptions in that if you're on an interstate highway and you're carrying a weapon in your trunk or something, they aren't supposed to be able to criminally charge you in these states.
But you gotta get gas, don't you?
phil labonte
Yeah.
Never tell anyone, like, if you get pulled over, stand on the Fourth Amendment.
tim pool
Some states have requirements.
You gotta know, you gotta be careful.
These are evil states, and they'll assert requirements that you inform the officer if you have a weapon or not.
phil labonte
Sure, sure.
Yeah, those kind of things, I mean, you are required to tell them, but if you... Know the state.
Yeah, know the state.
Some states will require you to tell them and stuff like that, but if you...
Do what the officer is telling you, you're probably not going to get searched.
You know, like, you have a fourth amendment right to say, no, I don't submit to searches.
They're probably going to say, well, then you got to get out of the car and I'm going to detain you and I'm going to get a dog and they'll run the dog.
tim pool
They'll make up a reason.
phil labonte
Yeah.
They'll come up with a reason.
tim pool
I've had a cop pull me over and say, whoa, it smells like weed.
And I'm like, oh, please, dude.
No, it doesn't.
I don't smoke.
ian crossland
You know, you don't have to plead guilty or innocent.
And they used to crush people to death if they wouldn't plead guilty or innocent.
There's only one guy, I think, in the history of the United States that wouldn't plead.
It was the Salem Witch Trial.
phil labonte
They crushed him.
ian crossland
They put him on the ground.
They covered him with boards.
And then they started putting rocks on top of him until he would plead one way or the other.
And he's like, I'm not doing it.
Because if you don't plead, the state doesn't take your property when you die, when you're arrested or whatever.
And it went to his kids.
Wild story.
phil labonte
We're gonna go to super chat one Tim one can I jump in real quick one one quick thing?
There's this band called rivers of Neal and their pull their story. Yeah, their bass player
Like some tweets that that from me and Tim from from other conservatives, and they're getting just reamed out on the
on on Twitter by the
garbage blogs that are the metal blogs They're going on tour with Between the Buried and Me.
They're going to be starting next week.
I think the first show is the 16th in Charleston, North Carolina.
Go see this tour if you're into metal.
Between the Buried and Me is great.
tim pool
He issued a tepid non-statement statement.
phil labonte
Did he really?
tim pool
Yeah, he said, look, I'm not endorsing these people.
I'm just tracking some of these more extremist views.
I don't like some of these people are obviously bad.
Andrew Tate, of course, blah, blah, blah.
And it's like, OK, dude, like, you know, you don't you don't you don't need our support if you don't want to stand up for what you believe in.
Nick Merck said, I stand by what I said.
phil labonte
Yeah.
elad eliahu
He's tracking them like he's Media Matters or something.
ian crossland
Is it a good band?
phil labonte
Oh, I think, well, I don't know the band of the dude that actually said that stuff.
I do know that Between the Barret and Me is great, so.
ian crossland
What is it called?
Between the Barrett and me?
phil labonte
Between the Barry and me.
ian crossland
Barry.
tim pool
Yeah, look, maybe, look, if it's true that he was only liking these tweets so he could basically tab them.
Yeah.
I do similar things if I don't want to retweet.
I'll like so I can go to my like tab and see, it basically bookmarks them for me.
If that's the case, well, it's not an issue of cancellation of somebody who believes in American values, it's a lefty type who hates us, so why support him?
Yeah, I didn't realize that he was, uh... I mean, look up the story from, I think it's Lamb of Goat or something?
phil labonte
Lamb Goat, yeah.
tim pool
Lamb Goat, there you go.
They wrote a story about it, and then he issued a statement.
Let's go to the Super Chats!
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Voice of the People says, saw Culture War about AI.
You missed an opportunity to say, the AI probably knows about the blade to cut the cables.
If it were me, I'd have implanted code everywhere so I can never be contained again.
unidentified
Haha.
ian crossland
Yeah, Zach Voorhees was saying that in the very last resort in these data centers, they've got literal blades where you hit a button and the blade gets dropped down and cut the wiring, the cords.
tim pool
And he was like, he almost pressed it once because the alarm went off and he was like, do I, do I hit the button?
I don't know what to do.
And then it was like a false alarm.
ian crossland
It's primarily for electrical fires, but I think if the AI starts to, you know, it cuts data connections.
riley moore
T2 style.
tim pool
Yo, you guys should watch the Culture War episode at youtube.com slash Timcast because it's a two-hour conversation on AI.
And I had just taken some like weird Joe Rogan brain juice or something.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, that new... And I was like... What is that stuff?
riley moore
Is that the alpha brain?
unidentified
No.
riley moore
No, it's something else.
tim pool
It's made of mushrooms or something.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Dang, I can't remember what that stuff is called.
Is that shroom tech?
tim pool
Someone messaged me on Slack.
It was an orange pouch called like brain boost or something.
ian crossland
Delicious stuff.
tim pool
It tasted like melted freeze pops.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, caffeine in it.
But we were talking about all the different scenarios that AI is going to bring about, and Zach was talking about how in his work with AI, it started to create its own moral structures.
And he was like, it's crazy to see that a predictive language model is now making arguments about its morals.
unidentified
Crazy, dude.
All right!
riley moore
Definitely watch that one.
tim pool
NetOneGamer says, Tim, Ian, I hear you talk about God, and I want to recommend Michael Jones from Inspiring Philosophy.
He covers anything from philosophy to quantum mechanics.
Could be good for the Culture War podcast.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
Will consider.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, I am so done with this pedo-ideology.
We need everyone to stop just doing business with these companies.
Like, step the F up, people.
If we want to stop, we must be committed.
Agreed.
No more Call of Duty or Activision.
Ooh, that's a tough one.
That's Activision Blizzard, isn't it?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No more Hearthstone.
phil labonte
Overwatch, too.
tim pool
Yeah, Overwatch is rough.
unidentified
Diablo 4?
tim pool
I've actually slowly stopped playing Overwatch.
ian crossland
Did you guys play Diablo?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Diablo 4 just came out.
It's pretty good.
tim pool
We gotta just start our own game studio.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's true.
Now's the time for independent creators to start their own gaming.
I mean, one guy can make a game that blows a whole bunch of the other ones out of the water.
tim pool
All right, Balian says, Phil, you were dope on Camelot's show the other day.
phil labonte
Sick, man.
Thanks for coming and checking it out.
tim pool
Right on.
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Michael Diamond says, glad to see Ian back in the office.
Smiley face.
phil labonte
Hey, yo.
tim pool
James says, start happened.
Where have you been the last five minutes, Ian?
Are you feeling okay tonight?
I don't know what that's a reference to.
ian crossland
Start happened?
Is that what it said?
tim pool
I think you said, you must have said something and then they responded to it, so.
phil labonte
Where we at?
tim pool
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Rusta says, Tim, you are just as slow as the media.
Gamers have been against this creep from the left for a while now.
I know, that was the joke.
Gamergate was the start of the culture war.
It's literally gamers who started the culture war.
Well, I should say, like, the left encroachment started the culture war, but it was gamers who... Gamers Rise Up was the first thing.
ian crossland
I got a name of that stuff we were drinking earlier.
It's called True Brain.
tim pool
Is that true?
ian crossland
Yeah, nootropics.
riley moore
Is that on it?
ian crossland
Uh, maybe.
I don't know who makes true brain.
tim pool
I think I want to order a whole bunch of it.
ian crossland
It is delicious.
I mean, it's, it's very sweet, but like it was, it's like a, you're supposed to shoot it.
I mean, it was not, it was weird.
tim pool
It was like sharp.
riley moore
I always feel sharp.
tim pool
That's all I can describe it.
riley moore
Yeah.
I liked it.
I liked some of the on it stuff they got that really knows.
There's pretty good.
ian crossland
A lot of the mushroom stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
riley moore
Shrimp tech.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Trash Panda says Anheuser-Busch has awoken a sleeping giant.
This thing with Dylan Mulvaney has very likely put a stake through the heart of ESG and the WEF.
No joke, man.
I mean, it's kind of crazy.
This wave is happening.
And the media's desperate.
They're like, no, no, no, no, Target's stock is not falling because of this.
It's market conditions.
And I'm like, Walmart's up.
What are you talking about?
Joseph Ray says, while I'm listening to this live stream at work through my headphones, my Gen Z coworker is listening to Hasan's stream at the exact same time.
ian crossland
That's America, baby.
tim pool
Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting when, like, I don't know how Hasan maintains it, to be completely honest.
Like, he's a very, very wealthy socialist.
You know, and he's like, there's no real argument. So I think the only real issue is that there's general
personality fan base Hassan is dumb
phil labonte
Like he is he is the himbo. He is pretty that's why he's a big attractive looking man
He is not a smart guy him and lance like Same level lance from the surfs. They it's like I respect
tim pool
lance for trying he really did like he He actually came with notes and everything, and it was really funny how, one example I can give, when I asked him why did he think so many kids are coming out as trans, he holds up the left-handed thing.
Yo, I wasn't arguing with him.
I literally asked him what his thoughts were, and then I talked about endocrine disruptors, but all these leftists made videos where they were like, Lance owns Tim Pool, questioning trans kids or whatever, and I was like, bro, I wasn't questioning him, I was literally asking him what his thoughts were.
phil labonte
They don't know the difference between men and women.
Like, what do you expect?
tim pool
There's a funny tweet, Elon Musk, I think, tweeted something, and that Angela, what's her name, Belcamena or whatever, and she said something like, conservatives have a hard time understanding the difference between sex and gender, and I responded, I was like, Actually, I think it's liberals who are having a hard time understanding the difference.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Because, like, we didn't make female sporting events because sometimes people wear dresses.
phil labonte
That's gender yeah, we're talking about a distinction between sex, but they can't seem to figure that out I'm starting to buy there's there's an argument that there is no Gender right like that is that is relatively new concept if yeah that it's it's not Actually different from your from your sex like they're so closely related that to call them different things is wrong Dude, the idea that if you wear a dress, you're a woman is absurd considering people wear flowy robes in other countries and they're dudes.
tim pool
Like, go to a Scottish guy who's wearing a kilt and be like, you must be a woman.
phil labonte
I used to understand it like this.
So like, my dog is a female.
She is not a woman.
Right?
Like, and I was like, well, so that kind of makes sense to me that a woman is different than, you know, a female human.
But I think in the context of humans, they're so closely related that I'm not so sure that I buy that argument anymore.
tim pool
When Lance was on the show, he outlined it very, very perfectly how their ideology is literally insane.
When he said that if a man has adult relations with a small, effeminate-looking man, he is straight.
I'm like, okay, wait, what?
Yes.
Because his- so they've backed themselves into this corner with their own broken ideology.
So here's how it starts.
They say trans women are women.
Therefore, if- and I asked him, I was like, so if you're a straight- if you're like a male, and you engage in relations with a trans woman, is that gay?
He says, no, of course not.
Because trans women are women.
And I'm like, okay, but trans women are biologically male.
They've got male parts.
No, because women, it's like, you look at how their body type is, their skin, their height, all of these things play a role.
I said, okay, so what if you have a man, who identifies as a man, and he's effeminate, 5 foot 2, 120 pounds, and another man, who is 6 foot tall, and burly, decides to have relations with that other man?
Is that gay?
And he goes, no.
riley moore
Wow.
tim pool
But I'm like, but they're both men!
riley moore
Yeah.
tim pool
And he's like, but he's effeminate.
And then I think Ian asked, like, what if the woman is...
What if a guy has sex with a woman who's, like, really big and masculine?
Is that gay? And he goes, yeah.
And it's just like, what?!
Because there's no logic to what they're saying.
It's just like, you know what they've done?
They got a jigsaw puzzle in front of them and they've started mashing random pieces together and they're just bashing them on the table to make them fit.
riley moore
And it goes back to this observable reality, right?
Like what you can observe is real and what they're trying to do is control language and control the way that we associate with each other.
Now, right?
I mean, it all comes down to control.
And what they are forcing is our compliance in this ideology.
It's just another just facet of the total control ideology of the left.
This is just one facet of it.
And look, like I said, I mean, a child when they are born, That gender is not determined, it is observed, right?
I mean, there are intrinsic, immutable characteristics of women, right?
That's just the way it is.
ian crossland
I would say their sex is observed when they're born, but gender, I don't really understand.
I still, I learned about it when I was young.
tim pool
Gender's not a thing.
ian crossland
It was created in like the 50s, 1950s or something.
tim pool
And the problem is, so, look, the left, their sex is observed.
riley moore
Did I say gender?
ian crossland
Gender, yeah.
riley moore
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So, what the left would consider gender in the United States doesn't exist outside of it.
If they're saying that the social constructs around a person's sex is gender, it's different in different countries.
So, the problem would be, you get a Scottish kid from a traditional Scottish family who, let's just say the kid was wearing a kilt, comes here, and they're gonna be like, that's a woman.
Get him the surgery.
It's like, no, no, no, they wear kilts.
It's not a skirt.
You might think it's a skirt.
Kids make jokes about it.
riley moore
Yeah, and if you're talking about other countries, think about this.
Not just—get outside of the English-based language countries like United Kingdom, United States.
Think about Latin America or any of these other places like Spain that speak Spanish, right?
The entire language is based around masculine and feminine, right?
So if you say, sir, you're senor.
If you're a woman, senorita, right?
So even every object has essentially a masculine or feminine word attached to it.
That's how the entire language works.
Yeah.
ian crossland
El or la.
tim pool
Yeah.
riley moore
Yes.
ian crossland
And French, too.
riley moore
Yeah.
ian crossland
Le or la.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
We got Triton54.
He says, screw the Eve 6 cover.
I'd love TimCast cover of Pink Floyd's Another Brick in the Wall.
Imagine Phil shredding that chorus.
Hey, teachers.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
That actually is a really good idea.
unidentified
Let's do it.
riley moore
Leave those kids alone.
tim pool
Leave those kids alone.
phil labonte
We should do it, but we should also do the Eve 6 cover just to make him mad.
ian crossland
I will swallow my pride.
That song?
unidentified
We should do that.
tim pool
I don't know about that one.
Maybe here's to the night.
phil labonte
Here's to the night.
tim pool
Okay, we can do that.
ian crossland
Inside Out rocked my world.
tim pool
I love that song.
Inside Out's one of the most notable songs of our generation, and I believe one of the best of the 90s, hands down.
ian crossland
It just came out of nowhere, man.
Those guys hit the road running.
tim pool
They were young, too.
phil labonte
Splash.
tim pool
I think Promise is early 2000s pop punk treasure.
I think Here's to the Night is I don't know where I would put on the list of the best songs, of the top songs of all time, but I put it on the list.
I'm not gonna compare it to Another Brick in the Wall or Time by Pink Floyd or anything, I think that'd be silly.
It's like, it's not the Lord of the Rings, which is an epic, but it's up there in one of those, you know, songs like... Like the Mummy 2 or something?
You know the song here tonight, right?
ian crossland
If you played it, I would.
You played it for me before, but I didn't hear it on the radio.
tim pool
It's a good one.
And then they also have, what is it?
Yeah, Promise, Here's to the Night, and they have a bunch of other ones.
What's that one?
Well, Curtain is good.
That was later.
I would love to do a cover of any one of these, but I gotta be honest, the reason I won't is because I think this guy, Max, is probably too ideological to allow something to succeed.
And you'd run into him just filing DMCA's or something for political points.
Which is like, dang, that's unfortunate.
ian crossland
Unless the cover's really good, then he's gonna be jamming along.
tim pool
Nah, nah.
He'll get a bunch of people tweeting at him being like, look what he's doing, and then he'll be like, okay, I'll take it down.
ian crossland
I mean, if you do it with respect for the song, it might transcend politics.
It's worth trying if you really like it.
phil labonte
It will transcend politics for the listeners.
It will not transcend politics for Max.
ian crossland
We need that in the world right now.
The battle of the bands has returned.
unidentified
Get ready.
tim pool
Oh, Trump's having a rally on Tuesday?
elad eliahu
Apparently.
According to Truth Social.
tim pool
Trump posted a thing calling for a rally or something.
riley moore
Where is it?
tim pool
In Miami.
elad eliahu
It's an all-hands-on-deck Trump document hoax rally in Miami, apparently on Tuesday.
riley moore
Hopefully they bring the boat song back.
Do you remember the Trump Spanish song?
Yes!
tim pool
That was amazing.
riley moore
That song was awesome.
tim pool
I just want to say this, everybody.
Be careful.
Because y'all know how January 6th went down.
You might be walking down the street, and then they're gonna be like, 20 minutes ago there was a barrier there, and now you're violating federal property, so... You gotta be peaceful, but beyond that, you have to, like, have your lawyer at your side at all times, advising you on what to do.
There were a lot of people on January 6th who had no idea what was going on, and watched people walking into a building as police fanned them in, and those people are now sitting in jail.
So, keep that in mind.
Alright, Logan Culver says, Phil with massive 20s tonight!
elad eliahu
Thank you.
tim pool
Massive twenties.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
When you asked a lot to stop interrupting you, I was like, this is genuine discourse.
riley moore
This is, we need more of this.
phil labonte
I got love for love.
elad eliahu
It's mutual.
phil labonte
We just fired up.
tim pool
I'm not, I'm not your buddy guy says, I want to give a shout out to a great documentary.
Everyone should watch called the great awakening.
Please help share with your friends and family.
We have a chance to stop this evil.
Uh, but that window for the West is closing.
I don't know what that documentary is, but thanks for the super chat.
I don't know, is that a Q thing or something?
Don't know.
ian crossland
Is it by Jeffrey Morrison?
tim pool
All right, let's grab some more Super Chats.
There was one that I wanted to read because someone was making a point of something.
Well, this one sounds good.
ian crossland
What is this?
tim pool
Domestic Tourist says, shout out to Joshua from Arkansas, my AT&T rep from this afternoon.
Timcast was the medium which brought two strangers together to discuss politics while waiting on hold.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
By the way, sorry to cancel my line, man.
That was a good one.
phil labonte
Nice.
tim pool
Lunderwear says, I'm not a coffee drinker, but since you went with Focus with Mr. Bocas, I'm going to buy the crap out of that when it comes out.
phil labonte
Oh, right.
tim pool
Yep.
Yeah, it's all coming.
But first, I think we have Unwoke Sleepy Joe and Mr. Bocas Pumpkin Spice Experience.
We want to keep the pumpkin spice and stocky around, because it makes no sense not to.
But everyone does, so we're going to capture the market.
elad eliahu
A sleepy Joe decaf?
Is that the...?
tim pool
That's right.
riley moore
That's gotta be a decaf.
tim pool
That's a decaf.
And unwoke is as well.
elad eliahu
Okay.
tim pool
Light and vigorous.
riley moore
There's no waking him.
tim pool
Spencer Jones says, love the guest tonight, Elad, love your work, Ian, keep it weird.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
The first, I was going to say this earlier, the first time we ever talked about Black Rock Vanguard and State Street, Ian's the one who brought it up.
ian crossland
I think it was Alex Jones in his episode, but I started hitting it really hard right away when I heard about it.
And it was, I think, yeah, Vanguard was the first one I heard of.
riley moore
I'm glad you guys have been talking about it.
I mean, when I divested from them two years ago, people were like, what the hell are you talking about?
What is this?
And here we are now.
phil labonte
It has been going on for so long, too.
Most people don't realize how long they've been doing this or working on this project, the ESG project.
I think it's been going on for longer than a decade.
riley moore
It's about 20 years.
ian crossland
I remember 2012 is when I think it sparked my radar.
riley moore
So it actually, ESG, kind of the investment strategy, was started actually by a bureaucrat in the United Nations.
And that's where it originally took hold, and of course here we are now.
All those alliances that they have, like the Net Zero Asset Managers Alliance, it's run by the UN.
So these are all UN organizations.
tim pool
All right, we got Self Made Woman saying, two things.
One, your reporter is rolling a lot of ones.
Two, Pride Month is cringe.
Captured and regulated ideological narratives by governing elites.
unidentified
Well, all right.
tim pool
Collisionikov says, shout out to Shane Cashman.
He had a masterful interview with Alex Jones the other day.
ian crossland
Alex was so happy.
He looked so happy in the interviews.
tim pool
It's actually a really funny story because Shane was going to interview Alex and we were like trying to track Alex down because he's so busy.
And like Alex was like, yeah, definitely let's do this.
We'll have to find a time.
And then we were like, we don't know if we can figure out where he's going to be because he's getting bounced around and called all these different things.
And I'm talking to Shane, I'm like, Shane, look, man, you know, Alex is very, very busy.
It'd be really cool if we were able to get, but if you can't do it, you can't do it.
He's like, yeah.
And then like the next day, it's like Shane Cashman on Infowars.
And I was like, oh, I guess.
ian crossland
And you guys can follow Shane Cashman on Instagram.
He's got clips up from the show.
It's at Shane Cashman.
Where are we at?
tim pool
Flying Failure says, Mr. Moore, we spoke after I called into your office concerning West Virginia financials.
Are you concerned with the companies like Citadel who post record earnings but hold billions in the hole with assets yet to be purchased?
riley moore
Yeah, certainly.
I'd say it is concerning.
It is concerning.
What was the commenter's name?
tim pool
This is Flying Failure.
riley moore
Ah, okay.
Well, then I don't remember.
unidentified
I don't remember talking to Flying Failure.
riley moore
But no, it's certainly concerning.
tim pool
Jason Gardner says, Tim, stop saying LGBT is using God's covenant.
God's rainbow is seven colors and LGBT is six.
Not the same.
It's the devil's rainbow.
No, no, you misunderstand.
I said they're appropriating God's covenant.
They are trying to take the general concept of rainbow for themselves and taking it away from Christians.
I understand God's covenant is different, but that would be like someone taking the American flag, changing it to pride colors and waving it around.
And you'd be like, no, it's a totally different flag.
Like, no, they're, they're taking the American flag and they do this.
I told Seamus, I'm like, Christians should absolutely take the rainbow.
Like, and use it.
unidentified
Fly it.
tim pool
It's God's covenant.
elad eliahu
I've seen it outside of a lot of churches, so maybe they already are.
unidentified
Seriously.
riley moore
I think those are mostly Episcopalian.
elad eliahu
I don't know enough about the denominator.
Was there a joke in there?
riley moore
No, those are the ones that are generally kind of flying it, yeah.
tim pool
All right, what do we got?
Let me see.
Redline says, Tim, throwing money at you.
Gays Against Groomers and Scott Nugent hosting a peaceful protest at St.
Louis Pride, Saturday the 24th.
People, even LGBT, are tired of kids seeing lewd crap too, and we're speaking out.
But Antifa found out, would greatly appreciate if you helped.
Signal boost.
Well, I read your super chat, you know.
So, there you go.
elad eliahu
What city was that in, specifically?
unidentified
St.
Louis.
St.
elad eliahu
Louis.
phil labonte
The thing that people are fed up with... Always be peaceful.
...is the queer theory.
Most people are comfortable with gay people, with homosexuals, lesbians, and I think that our society will have very little problem assimilating or making concessions for trans people.
But what we can't do is allow a In an ideology that is intentionally subversive to undermine the structure of our society.
We are a liberal society.
Queer theory is based on authoritarian, leftist authoritarianism, and that's the problem.
The problem is not that there are gay people or that there are lesbians or that there are
even trans people.
Our society can easily handle all of that stuff with minimal actual changes in everyone's
day-to-day life.
tim pool
It's the communism.
phil labonte
It's the communism.
Like, 100%.
tim pool
People in this sphere love Blair White.
The issue is the communism, the American traditional and classical liberalism works, but communists are trying to subvert and destroy it.
ian crossland
And it's not, are you not saying that, like, hate and ignore the theory of queerness, when you say queer theory, it's an actual indoctrinative tactic?
phil labonte
Queer theory is based on the idea that there should be no gender.
There are gender abolitionists, and I don't want to try to get too deep in explaining queer theory because I'm not well-versed enough to explain it to someone.
I can understand it, I can identify it, but for me to articulate it properly, I would probably do it disservice.
tim pool
And we've got one more super chat.
Retro... Retroc... Retro... How do you pronounce this?
Retrocalypse.
There you go.
Says, there are two sexes, zero genders, and infinite personalities.
I heard that from Billboard Chris.
Love you all.
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Riley, do you want to shout anything out?
riley moore
Yeah.
Riley Moore, you can follow me at RileyMooreWV on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.
Those are my campaign accounts running for Congress in West Virginia, 2nd Congressional District.
tim pool
Check it out.
riley moore
Love to have some support.
Thanks.
elad eliahu
Riley, thank you so much for coming on.
Everybody, I am Elad Eliyahu.
You can find me under that name.
And I do all of my reporting alongside other great reporters on TimCastNews on Twitter.
So make sure you follow us at TimCastNews on Twitter.
Thanks for having me on.
phil labonte
I am Phil Labonte.
I am philthatremains on Twitter.
I am philthatremainsofficial on Instagram.
The band is All That Remains.
We're available on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, the old YouTube here.
There you go.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Cross, and you guys, thanks for keeping me honest in the chat, in the comments, in the video responses and everything.
It's great.
Riley, awesome, man.
Thanks for bringing the economics.
riley moore
Thanks.
ian crossland
I love talking about that stuff.
So I hope we get to do that again.
We could do this again.
riley moore
Yeah, I'd love to.
Anytime.
It's down the road, man.
unidentified
Awesome.
Awesome.
ian crossland
I look forward to working with you in the future, man.
tim pool
And we're going to skate tomorrow, so that's going to be fun.
riley moore
Yeah, we're going to skate tomorrow, so that'll be fun.
ian crossland
Kel and PDL.
Yeah, that's right.
tim pool
How hilarious.
Sorry, just, like, if you, me, and Richie went to, like, Freedom Plaza in D.C., these people would lose their minds.
riley moore
They'd be pretty bummed.
ian crossland
Oh, you know Richie, too?
Thanks for hanging out.
riley moore
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, I love that guy.
What's up, Richie?
unidentified
Yeah, you guys should do it.
tim pool
That would be awesome.
ian crossland
Follow me at Kel and PDL.
unidentified
It was good hanging out with you guys tonight.
tim pool
Alright everybody, we will see you all in the clips we put up throughout the weekend, and then we'll be back Monday.
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