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June 7, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Wildfire Smoke SLAMS US, Air Quality Collapsing WILL GET WORSE w/John Cardillo
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tim pool
So it seems the biggest story today is fake news.
They're claiming that the DOJ informed Trump he would be indicted next week and now that's being revised to say that he's actually just the target of a probe.
But we already knew that because they literally raided the guy's house over classified documents.
So it seems maybe that CNN is just desperate considering their CEO is gone.
Now you've got Fox News threatening to sue Tucker Carlson.
Now you've got parents in California fighting far-left extremists in the street over the grooming of their kids.
That one really pissed off the left when I tweeted about that.
But it really does seem, I guess, like the actual biggest story right now is the air quality.
And so, I gotta be honest, it's probably the least...
I don't know how to describe it.
It's not the most cultural story, but it probably is the most pressing to at least talk about a little bit, and so we're going back and forth, like, do we just talk about this ridiculous fake indictment story, or... Well, we should probably at least talk about the fact that if you look outside and you're on the East Coast, everything's orange, and it's probably gonna get worse, so we're in the D.C.
area and it got pretty bad.
And so everyone's basically talking about it, everyone has a lot of questions, so I figure we can at least leave with that, and then talk about all the culture war stuff.
So!
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a whole lot more is John Cardillo.
john cardillo
Hey, guys.
Great to be back with you, man.
I was looking forward to this.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Who are you?
What do you do?
john cardillo
Who am I?
What do I do?
I'm on Twitter.
I get yelled at a lot because I went from Trump to DeSantis.
I used to be a cop.
Now I'm a boring private equity guy after being on air for a lot of years and occasionally pop up here hanging out with you guys.
Right on.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out.
john cardillo
Nah, it's awesome, man.
Good to be back.
tim pool
We got shames.
seamus coughlin
My name's Seamus Coghlan.
I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes where we upload cartoons every single week.
So if you guys want to check that out, head over there.
We're releasing a cartoon tomorrow that I think is going to be really funny.
We're making fun of kind of the Little Mermaid reboot and all these different race-swapped reboots.
And I think you guys will enjoy it.
And go to freedomtunes.com if you want to help support us.
And you'll get an extra cartoon each week that's only available to members on the website.
ian crossland
Ian Crossland here, happy to see you guys.
My nose is itching, so let's get to this surge.
tim pool
Yeah, me too.
serge du preez
Yeah, I feel you, man.
It's been like, first of all, the allergy's bad, and on top of that, all the smoke is not making my life better.
Anyways.
unidentified
Crazy.
tim pool
Well, let's jump into this first story.
Take a look at this image from CNN.
Millions in U.S.
under air quality alerts as Canada wildfires rage.
You know, We're mostly a political, cultural, and news show, but I think this story is so pressing that we probably should at least talk about it a little bit, because this is going to directly impact you, and it directly impacts us.
The concern that I have, of course, is for the chickens.
Because this garbage falls on the ground, and when we had the East Palestine thing, when they're saying all those chemicals were blasting up into the air and floating out of here, chickens were dying.
And so I'm being somewhat silly by referencing chickens, but when this stuff settles and gets all over the grass and gets all over everything, that's going to cause problems too.
So basically, there's wildfires up in Canada.
FAA has issued ground stops in New York because the air quality was so bad you couldn't actually see.
Where we are in DC, apparently we're being told that it's going to get worse tomorrow, and it's going to persist in New York and on the East Coast until tomorrow as well.
So I don't know how many of you guys are experiencing this, but, you know, this is the latest.
We have this map here, record smog levels in Northeast.
And right now, you can see it's mostly bad in the New York area.
It's going to come down and heavily hit D.C.
tomorrow.
So apparently they're saying, like, where we are, the sky's going to turn orange or something?
ian crossland
You know, all the talk we talk about war and chaos and politics and stuff, man, it's these natural disasters that can really annihilate a civilization.
john cardillo
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
It's just a taste.
john cardillo
Yeah.
I mean, I flew in through this today.
I landed in D.C.
from South Florida at about, I don't know, 2.30 p.m.
And I was running around to get to the airport this morning.
I had no idea.
I'm ashamed to say, I saw some things on Twitter about Canada.
I really had no idea what was going on until the pilot mentioned it.
I noticed what we had, it was pretty clear.
We had some clouds, a little bit of bum, so it was mostly clear.
And then this weird haze started, but we weren't hitting turbulence.
You know, so when you're typically on approach, you come through the clouds, you're bouncing a bit.
It was dead smooth.
And the pilot came over, he said, if you notice, you can't see the ground.
It's this air from Canada.
seamus coughlin
I was still I still had Wi-Fi and I checked it out and I'm actually driving after I see you guys that I'm gonna start heading to New York for a family event and I just I pinged my nephew before we went live and I said how's the air quality said it's absolutely terrible hmm like can't see your hand in front of your face yo check out this real bad just keep talking about let me play a video check this video out So, the point I was going to make is, Ian, I think you made a very good point about the fact that people don't consider natural disasters, or at least enough, especially as modern people, because we like to think that we're in control of everything, we can solve all of our problems, there's nothing unforeseen that's going to knock us over.
And what's strange is, even when we are confronted by natural disasters like this, people still want to try to claim that we're in control of them.
This happened because we're, you know, burning too much Yeah, that's a good point, man.
We're putting too much of it out into the atmosphere.
This is a human invention.
If we only behaved better and didn't make the weather so angry, this wouldn't occur.
We can't accept that some things are just out of our control.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's a good point, man.
It's very freaky to say like we are not in control of this life.
Like at any moment, a meteor could strike and set the world on fire again.
A global flood, something could knock out the sun, like block out the sun, like this
kind of thing.
the crops for three to four years, mass migrations and I was gonna say suicides.
tim pool
And you know what the politics of this is?
They're saying it's climate change.
seamus coughlin
No, exactly.
Exactly.
tim pool
They're like, this is climate change.
It's happening now.
Everyone quit running.
john cardillo
It's all man-made.
seamus coughlin
That's what I'm saying.
We have to make it our fault.
We have to place it under our control.
But sorry, you were- No, no, no.
john cardillo
I'm just going to say I disagree with you guys.
Look, I learned from the Democrats.
Al Gore created fire in 2001.
Al Gore created everything.
tim pool
A DARPA project.
john cardillo
It was a DARPA project.
He invented the internet.
Then he, Flint and Steele, he created fire.
And here we are now.
So we should have listened.
ian crossland
So what is, is this, I'm not, this is a joke.
Is this a CIA op?
unidentified
To go white fires in Canada to get a false flag?
john cardillo
It's not funny, but Oregon, Washington, California have these wildfires.
They're never called toxic.
What the hell is in the Canadian wilderness that's landing orange toxicity?
unidentified
Whatever it is, it's been affecting Canadians for a long time.
ian crossland
What is causing it?
john cardillo
Maybe that's why maple syrup does so good.
tim pool
Trees are burning and the air is moving down and everyone's freaking out.
It was kind of crazy.
I woke up and because where we are, you can see the mountains and there's like a white Fog.
john cardillo
It's like a haze.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a haze.
And I was like, oh, that's kind of weird.
And then I smell burning.
That's the crazy thing.
You can smell like ash.
john cardillo
Well, when I landed, yeah, like when I landed at Reagan today, it smelled like a campfire out there.
I mean, it was real noticeable.
But I haven't been checking it.
Did they get an indication how it started?
I don't know if you guys know.
ian crossland
That's what I'm looking into.
seamus coughlin
Climate change.
It was climate change.
john cardillo
It was climate change.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
john cardillo
It certainly was.
seamus coughlin
You driving an SUV, that's why this is happening.
john cardillo
I drive a diesel pickup, so I might be solely responsible for this.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's literally it.
It's entirely your fault.
ian crossland
I saw a video of a helicopter laying napalm to a bunch of trees, but I don't think that was it.
That'd be crazy.
tim pool
Ian's just really, really dead set on going on this CIA story.
ian crossland
Grabbing for straws.
This is like wildfires, which indicates that they were naturally formed.
Well, I mean, I guess a human could cause a wildfire.
john cardillo
Yeah, I mean, often these things are arson, but from what I've been reading, it didn't They're saying it's just higher than normal fire activity.
That makes sense.
ian crossland
And so they say because humans have been pumping so much CO2 into the atmosphere, it's causing a slightly more higher temperature, which means a little bit drier, which means more fire.
And you know, there is something to that.
We go a little out of balance and it can send the whole thing out of whack.
So we do have to be careful with CO2 levels, but that doesn't mean cease production.
Just got to figure out how to reuse the stuff or continue to reuse the stuff.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you know, I think part of this instinct to blame this on man-made climate change, firstly, it's very convenient because you get to blame it on your political opposition if you're on the left.
Like, literally everything is the fault of conservatives.
You go outside and you don't like the weather.
It's like, well, this is some Republican politician's fault, surely.
It reminds me of a quote from the one and only Thomas Sowell.
He said, You know, good things just happen and bad things are somebody's fault?
That is exactly how we think.
That is just our default pattern.
And so, something like the weather, right?
Something like New York being covered in this smog and it traveling across the country, well, that has to be somebody's fault.
Like, bad things can't just happen, or things that bother me can't just happen.
I have to be able to blame someone.
ian crossland
Even in the Bible, it's the flood.
They said that God sent the flood.
Like, why can't we just accept that it could have just happened?
Why don't we have to blame somebody?
I guess we have to blame God for this one.
john cardillo
Somebody had to do it.
I mean, look, I live in Florida, and they try to tell you hurricanes are man-made.
I mean, like, hurricanes never happened before the Industrial Revolution.
I mean, it's bizarre.
seamus coughlin
We started doing that, yeah.
And honestly, it was not a well-marketed product.
People still don't like them, but someone started making them for some reason.
tim pool
I like when they say stuff like, it's the highest temperature on record.
unidentified
And it's like, and how far back do the records go?
tim pool
Exactly!
ian crossland
270 years!
unidentified
1890!
seamus coughlin
Is it 270?
tim pool
I don't know.
unidentified
No, it's less.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's like 1890.
And it's like, we didn't record the temperature for that long.
tim pool
Look, you can look back at the ICE sheets.
They do the drilling, they pull out core samples, and then they measure and all that stuff.
I respect that.
But like, there's so many rhetorical tricks to blame anything that can't be explained.
It's almost like the Democrats are acting like shaman, coming to the people and being like, it's because the gods are angry and you've got to give me money and do what I say now.
seamus coughlin
Yes, well, no, that's a very typical thing.
We see that throughout all of human history.
A group of people who are in power saying the reason the weather is not favorable is because you aren't obeying us.
tim pool
And sacrifice your kids.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
Human sacrifice.
We need to reduce the population size or else we're going to get more climate change.
Sacrifice your children to the sun god.
tim pool
Did they really sacrifice their kids to affect weather?
john cardillo
I think so!
So, the Mexican Aztecs and the Mayans apparently did.
So I guess, how many carbon credits does Baphomet take to give us a break here?
seamus coughlin
How do we offset that?
Different groups of people throughout history have engaged in human sacrifice, and one of
the reasons, depending on the tribe or group, was for better weather, a more favorable harvest.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
This is actually really interesting.
This is from March 11, 2019, National Post.
Ancient civilizations sacrificed more than 100 of their children to stop bad weather, say archaeologists.
It's really funny because that's basically what Democrats are saying now when they write these stories saying don't have kids because climate change is getting worse.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
They're like, they're not saying to literally take your children and sacrifice them on an altar.
Forego having children.
Make that sacrifice.
john cardillo
Pre-sacrifice them.
unidentified
Well, no.
tim pool
Sacrifice your family.
john cardillo
Pre-emptively sacrifice them by just not having them.
tim pool
No, no, no.
It would be like sacrificing... It's not sacrifice in the sense of you take a child and you put him on the altar.
It's never have them.
seamus coughlin
Also, and I think, you know, this is multifaceted.
So most people who don't have children... People who choose not to have children will often say things like, it's because I care so much about the climate.
No, it's not.
That's almost certainly not, right?
It's because you want to have the dual income no kids situation going on most of the time.
And you can acknowledge that.
Don't sit there and tell me it's because you care so much about the climate.
I think that's usually not the case.
But that said, when you look in ancient Rome, this is something archaeologists have discovered, just in various periods you have like increases in infanticide when people were having more sex and they were having sex outside of marriage and they didn't know what to do with the children and they weren't taking care of them.
And you can imagine this being a trend historically, too.
I mean, people saying, I have a child, I don't want to take care of them, so I will sacrifice them in trying to make their horrific act of infanticide out to be something noble and good.
And so they say, oh, well, this is like for the sun god, or this is so that we have a better harvest, when in reality, they had that cruelty in them and wanted to do it.
tim pool
Yeah, so right now we're in a record low temperature, if we're actuated about it, yesterday it was like 49 degrees at night, and it's crazy, it's like we're, you know, it's springtime or whatever, and no matter what happens, the climate change people always have an argument as to why, whatever it is, So they stopped saying global warming because we started getting cold periods, and they said, no, no, no, it's climate change.
And I'm like, dude, it's a record low now, it's a record high later, but no matter what happens, you keep telling me it's the same thing.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
Now, I have no problem recognizing pollution and saying, like, I don't believe the planet can hold infinite humans.
That literally makes no sense.
But don't come to me and tell me no matter what happens, it's perfect for your argument.
unidentified
Exactly.
seamus coughlin
I mean, maybe you can make the argument, yeah, there is such a thing as too much CO2, and we want to keep the elements in balance, and it can be bad for life on the planet, but if you're going to sit here and tell me that every single thing that happens with respect to the climate is a result of human behavior, what you have is a circular hypothesis, because it started with, first it was global cooling, the world was going to freeze, then it was global warming, and then it became climate change.
Okay, you have to build a predictive model that tells us what's going to us what's going to happen successfully instead of just bashing
us for not going along with your cause and then blaming whatever happens to happen on our
tim pool
bad behavior because of your circular theory. Now, now believe it or not, we actually do have a
segue from the weather into the culture war. I kid you not. Now, normally we would just be like, it's
a hard segue. We're going to jump to a new story. No, no. We got a segue with this story from
Snopes from a few days ago.
Did a church that embraces LGBTQ plus people burn down after a lightning strike?
Was this climate change?
john cardillo
White supremacy.
Lightning is very white.
That was absolutely white supremacy.
seamus coughlin
Good point.
Zeus is a white nationalist?
john cardillo
Zeus is a white nationalist.
You see him?
The gray hair, the beard, the trident.
That proves all the markings.
tim pool
So irrefutable.
As sort of a buffer between culture war and the fact that the air is unsafe to breathe, we had this story.
Was it you that brought it up, Seamus, or was it Ian?
seamus coughlin
Oh, no, I brought it up.
I saw it on my news feed and I started laughing.
I was like, is this real?
And then it turns out it was.
tim pool
This guy, Eric Kahn, says, Woke LGBTQ plus church gets struck by lightning and burns to the ground.
And Snopes did a fact check, and guess what?
It did get struck by lightning.
It did burn to the ground.
It did support LGBTQ issues, but they won't Write true on it.
seamus coughlin
Wouldn't it be hilarious if they actually were fact-checking the claim specifically that it happened because it was a punishment from God?
And they were like, fact-check, true, we have to admit it, it's true this time, we'll give them that in terms of being objective.
tim pool
Normally, you know, Snopes will be like, true, thing happened, false, mostly false.
In this article it says, okay, it's from today actually, did a church that embraces LGBTQ plus people burn down after a lightning strike?
The answer is yes, it did, it quite literally did.
Now, that's not to say God literally struck the church down, but Snopes won't even write true here.
unidentified
Yeah, so they say... It's not time for an explanation.
tim pool
On June 6th, a viral tweet with a video of a church building fire began to receive thousands of engagements.
The caption of the tweet read, Woke LGBTQ plus church gets struck by lightning and burns to the ground.
In the story, we've laid out the facts.
They say, okay, blah, blah, blah.
They say the tweet was captured June 2nd.
The church did embrace these issues over the past several years.
So that's all you really need to understand.
And of course, they don't want the narrative to be that a thing like this did happen.
Do you guys remember when the George Floyd mural exploded?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
When it started by lightning?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I gotta tell you, man.
john cardillo
I mean, you know, I gotta say twice.
I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, but stuff like this might happen all the time.
Right, right.
seamus coughlin
And like, no, no, no.
tim pool
The question is, how do you determine whether it's something beyond or something just...
john cardillo
Well, I think you also have to look at, I mean, look, to be rational for a second, which is boring.
I mean, it looks like a pretty rural area.
It might've just been the tallest building in town with a steeple, which would have logically attracted the lightning.
ian crossland
But they don't want to inflame the radical right Christian, what do you call them?
seamus coughlin
The church was already inflamed.
ian crossland
Fundamentalists that believe God will strike you down kind of thing.
john cardillo
Right.
Which is, to me, has been a problem for the conservative movement for years.
That's a whole nother show.
seamus coughlin
I think that there is something to be said for this, right?
Because obviously we're sort of being facetious about this lightning or this mural being struck by lightning and the church being struck by lightning.
tim pool
No, I don't know about that mural, bro.
seamus coughlin
But I will say, well, I'll say this.
unidentified
That was like flat against the wall.
seamus coughlin
I think this specific thing got struck by lightning is actually a more convincing argument than the weather is vaguely changing, so we're going to blame X, Y, and Z. You actually have a specific target there, so it makes more sense to make the argument.
tim pool
You have a very complicated argument that consistently morphs to fit whatever the left's political views are, and then you have, does God smite?
No, that George Floyd thing, I don't know, man.
seamus coughlin
This is why... So you'll say George Floyd, but not this church?
For shame, Tim.
tim pool
I think the George Floyd mural... Well, because buildings get struck by lightning.
The George Floyd mural was a flat brick wall, and the only thing that exploded off the wall was the picture of just George Floyd, and it was like one small storm cloud floating over and went... Here's the thing, we need a doctor's study.
God is a sniper.
seamus coughlin
We need to do a survey to find if LGBTQ churches get struck by lightning more often.
tim pool
If they do?
seamus coughlin
If they do, then absolutely.
ian crossland
So anecdotally, I went to Burning Man, and at the end of the Burning Man week, there's the temple that everyone puts their Their old thoughts and feelings, notes from dead loved ones, things they want to let go of and grieve over, they put them in the temple.
And the energy at the temple, when you go to the temple, is just siphoning up.
It was tough to get near that place, and I was tripping.
So I could be out of my mind, but I think there might be something to honing energy into physical objects.
Complete anecdotal nonsense, of course.
Religions from time immemorial talk about it, you know, imbuing an idol and things like that.
tim pool
And cultures have sacrificed children to the weather for millennia.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
I think people are known to have called lightning.
tim pool
Is that like... What if, like, it turns out that you actually do have to sacrifice your kids to Moloch to stop the weather from going bad?
john cardillo
Yeah, but I'll tell you, stranger things are happening around us.
Let's face it, if these crazy things started happening, Would anybody be really that surprised at this point?
seamus coughlin
I certainly would not.
john cardillo
It would be really like, oh my god, this can't happen at this point.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure if the ground split, a fissure emerged in D.C.
with, like, lava bubbling up, and Moloch emerged with glowing red eyes, people would be like, huh.
seamus coughlin
Stop to be like, fact check, that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the fact that it is Washington, D.C.
Moloch could have arisen anywhere.
ian crossland
With this church lightning strike, I would believe more that it's a directed energy weapon from, like, space than it is God.
seamus coughlin
Why?
ian crossland
If I had to pick.
seamus coughlin
But, like, who would do it, though?
As a directed... Russians!
john cardillo
And why pick... I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, because Putin doesn't like gay people.
john cardillo
Spencer, Massachusetts is your target of opportunity.
ian crossland
Right, right.
So, division.
You know, you want to... Exactly.
You want to set people on their heels.
tim pool
Spencer, Massachusetts.
john cardillo
Well, I think we can take this a step further.
tim pool
The reason this church was struck by lightning was because of climate change, which is the fault of Republicans, therefore this is a hate crime.
john cardillo
Boom.
I'm just gonna blame it on Liz Warren.
was just what's lighter the light is there once at a massage parlor or something like that well i
seamus coughlin
think we can take this a step further the reason this church was struck by lightning was because
of climate change which is the fault of republicans therefore this is a hate crime boom i'm just gonna
john cardillo
blame it on liz warren yeah when did this it's always a safe bet yeah
ian crossland
Did it get struck today or yesterday?
Was it after the wildfires?
tim pool
No, this is from June 2nd.
Someone superchatted John Fisher saying there's satellite footage showing all the fires in Canada starting at the exact same time.
Totally not suspect.
It says not suspicious.
seamus coughlin
I'm seeing this online now, too.
tim pool
People are saying that?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah, I just got that tweeted at me.
tim pool
So they're implying that someone has some kind of space laser that they can use to start fires with?
Or like a temporal... That seems silly.
ian crossland
Temporal... critical mass.
Temporal, is that the right word?
Temperature-wise?
Critical mass?
Like it hit a certain temperature and then everything got really flammable?
At like 96 degrees?
john cardillo
You'd have to have like a very, very powerful laser in space to be able to hit the Earth with that kind of, you know, To start a fire, but I will tell you guys something another anecdote about 12 years ago.
I was outside of Vegas I said I let me take a ride by the that area, you know area 51 and those entrances and a couple little businesses there and I'm talking to a guy who's a local maybe a hundred people live around there and the guy was a normal rational guy and He worked in Vegas for the casinos and all, you know, contractor.
And I said to him, jokingly, I said, ah, do you guys see UFOs?
He goes, no, no, that's all nonsense, he said, but you gotta see.
He said, sometimes you'll sit out here in these energy weapons, he said, would blow your mind some of the stuff we see and test, only because you can't avoid it, right?
It's just these big vast areas.
And against the contrasted dark sky.
So the capability is certainly there.
I mean, you know, the military hasn't been shy about alluding to the fact that these things exist at this point.
We have Space Force, right?
Clearly, we didn't make Space Force a branch of the military to do research in horticulture, you know, 18,000, you know, miles up or whatever it is, how many miles up we are.
So there's definitely something to that.
I mean, I got to believe we've got weapons floating around up there.
seamus coughlin
You know, and we just said, Canada's had it too good for too long, we're gonna... They really have!
unidentified
Come on, they've been like a very like... I actually don't know about that!
It's not the Canadians, it's the trees!
seamus coughlin
Eat the trees!
tim pool
They're upset about the CO2, it's... The trees were saying some naughty words and hate speech and all that... Yeah, those ants... We hear about Lockheed Martin's Compact Fusion Reactor.
ian crossland
They started this program in 2010.
is a fusion power project at Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works.
And so if they're public about a fusion program- What aren't they public about?
Yes, and how much energy can they actually direct?
Probably- Oh, dude.
tim pool
I saw a tour of a nuclear submarine just on the news.
And I'm just like, okay, if they're publicly showing us how to do this, what do we have?
We got something way crazier.
john cardillo
Yeah, think about it, right?
We found out about the stealth fighter, not the bomber, not the B-2, the F-117, that Nighthawk, somewhere in like the late 80s, early 90s, right?
That thing was operational since 1978.
We found out about that 12, 13 years later, so who knows?
tim pool
People probably thought it was aliens.
john cardillo
They probably did.
seamus coughlin
They did.
john cardillo
They certainly did, right?
And the B-2.
So what in the world are we deploying now?
We know about these things and they're out there.
tim pool
Flying cubes?
seamus coughlin
I wish that I could... Talking plasma?
I wish I could remember the exact example he gave me, but when I had Jimmy Akin on my show yesterday, he was talking about the fact that there was a fighter, a stealth fighter, that the government was testing and people were seeing it and they thought it was extraterrestrial.
Yeah, the government was basically like relieved and letting people believe that because they didn't want people
ian crossland
to be on to their their capabilities Oh, so that's probably why this new disclosure came out.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, right That's also a point he made right right when the United
States is getting involved in one side of a conflict and he was also saying that
the US sort of wanted the USSR to think that we were in contact with
Terrestrials so that they would be afraid that we had alien firepower
Which is completely insane, but apparently there's like actual records that the government was interested in this strategy.
And so you see this whistleblower who's coming out and saying that You know, we're studying this craft that wasn't made by humans right at the same time that we're getting involved in this conflict between Russia and Ukraine.
You think, yeah, maybe one explanation here is it's a PSYOP, and we want the Russians to believe that we do have an alien craft, which is crazy!
tim pool
Isn't this the premise to The Men Who Stare at Goats?
seamus coughlin
Yes, that really happened though.
The United States tried to trick the Russians into thinking that we were trying to develop telepathy.
So then the Russians heard that and they said, oh my goodness, America is trying to research telepathy.
So they actually started doing it, and then we saw they were doing it, and we actually tried to start doing it.
We psyoped ourselves into trying to develop telepathic methods.
ian crossland
Did it work?
john cardillo
No, they tried to give people heart attacks.
They tried to get these psychics together, to your earlier point, to channel energy, but to give them heart attacks.
tim pool
Maybe it didn't work.
john cardillo
And apparently it didn't work.
Or maybe it did work.
ian crossland
I heard that they teach CIA assets not to, if they're following someone, not to stare at the person they're following because it'll give the person a tendency to turn around, like you know when you're being watched kind of thing.
And that's not normal.
tim pool
And apparently there are people who have come out and said remote viewing is real.
That the US military worked on it and actually were able to make it happen.
ian crossland
I was looking at I had a did a bonfire a couple nights ago and I was looking at the coals after the fire was over and just like the way they were moving and like all kind of glowing and in Senescence, I don't know what the right word is in essence It was like dude I can see how ancient shaman would would stare into the coals and see visions because it like almost takes your brain over man and you might just see what you think you want to see but it is a that is a Like a meditation.
john cardillo
Oh yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Ian keeps everybody here honest.
seamus coughlin
Well no, I mean Embers, it is actually interesting, just sort of the way fire operates.
There's so much beauty in nature that I think could be misunderstood, but that certainly lends itself to the human mind creating something more from it.
ian crossland
Did you guys watch the CIA whistleblower two days ago talk about the alien thing?
Oh yeah, yeah.
I watched it and it was like, okay, this guy's lying.
This is obviously lying.
The way he said it, he's like, I swear to God it happened!
Like, he didn't say swear to God, he said something, uh, like, it just, it, the way he used a word that was like, uh, that was, made it very apparent that he was, like, lying.
Maybe we can watch it or bring it up at some point.
I don't know if you guys will see it.
john cardillo
I watched his interview.
ian crossland
It's like 30 seconds long.
seamus coughlin
I didn't get a chance to see it.
john cardillo
He wasn't convincing.
No, he's right.
It was more like, trust me, bro, Yeah, like I did.
I saw it.
Trust me, bro.
You're not going to get any proof.
There have been more convincing whistleblowers.
The only thing that worked in his favor, I think, is that his attorney was a pretty well-respected guy.
He was the DODIG, Inspector General, who is insisting that he believes him.
Again, I didn't believe him either, but he's certainly not, this guy's a government employee, he's not making the kind of money that one would make to retain an attorney like this if the attorney thought it was all BS.
So it makes you wonder why this guy would take on the case, why this guy would put his reputation in front of it, unless he was read in to a different program and they're using this as a disinformation tool to throw the bad guys off.
ian crossland
Okay, that makes a lot of sense.
Like, we're about to start deploying some crazy stealth or, like, energy weapon tech over Ukraine, and they want them to think it's alien.
john cardillo
Yeah, so you go to an old DOD IG guy who probably still carries his clearance.
His TSSCIs were reputable.
And you tell him, hey, play ball here.
You were one of us for a while.
Help play ball here.
Help spread this.
And it serves its purpose.
tim pool
Okay, wait, I found a clip.
It's hard to find a lot.
This is only six seconds.
ian crossland
David Grouch.
unidentified
Believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds, It's true.
ian crossland
And believe it or not, I just... Who says believe it or not when they're trying to tell someone what happened?
And believe it or not, Tim, it really happened.
Come on, no one talks like that.
tim pool
He's shaking his head around right now.
ian crossland
He's trying to convince the guy, which is not what you do.
john cardillo
He looks like every guy we locked up for something who tried to convince us he didn't do it.
tim pool
Well, we were going to segue from weather into culture war issues and turn into weather and aliens instead because you just can't control where it goes, so now we're going to hard segue back into... But you can control the weather.
You can.
john cardillo
If you sacrifice.
tim pool
Or with lasers or silver iodide.
Not space lasers, quite literally just infrared lasers that are used to seed clouds.
And they use silver iodide as well and they've done that since the 60s.
And it's really funny that if you tell someone that the government controls the weather, the implication is that you're crazy and it's like, I learned this in grade school.
They're like, show us a book and they're like, cloud seeding.
That's how it works.
ian crossland
I think they do it over Dubai.
unidentified
Is it?
ian crossland
They made it rain over Dubai.
john cardillo
Yeah, they do that, and it was public.
I mean, they made a media event out of it.
There's no secret there.
tim pool
Yeah, it condenses all of the water vapor into clouds, making rain come down.
ian crossland
I want to start controlling lightning.
I want to know more about their lightning programs.
tim pool
The problem with lightning is that you can't measure the charge, the voltage, whatever.
And so I was reading about why we don't capture lightning energy to use, and it's like you can't measure it, so you can't store it properly.
You need to know You know, volts, amps, or whatever, the power that's coming through to be able to accurately... You can't do that.
ian crossland
Did you guys see the blue sprites above Earth's atmosphere when lightning strikes?
Like, it sends a blue flame out into space.
Like, the lightning comes down, and as it's coming down, a piece of blue flame goes out and up.
seamus coughlin
Oh, dude, that's great.
That does look very cool.
ian crossland
You're looking at a blue sprite.
seamus coughlin
You know, have you ever... Just one more thing about lightning before we move on.
Next time there is a lightning storm where you are, Get the slow-mo camera out on your iPhone, if you have one, and just film.
It's crazy to watch that in slow motion.
ian crossland
That was a howling wind.
Did you hear that?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I did hear that.
john cardillo
Whatever you do, don't run into the gay church.
ian crossland
Don't do it.
Lightning spectacular, man.
tim pool
I love it.
Let's jump to this story we got from the Daily Signal.
Three arrested after Antifa clashes with Armenian parents at California school board meeting.
This is significant.
Regular people are saying no over and over and over again.
We've got the Bud Light effect, you've got Target, and now you've got parents showing up saying, you know, we politely requested that these books not be in our schools, now we're protesting.
Then the far left shows up, these extremists, and start attacking parents.
john cardillo
Yeah.
tim pool
Now you've got clashes.
This is where things get crazy, because if you've got regular guy wearing hoodie and jeans being like, look man, I don't know why they gave my kid that book, and then some crackpot far-left extremist shows up, those regular people are not going to vote.
No, they're not, and I'm going to use... No, they're now going to vote.
john cardillo
The regular people are going to vote, and I was going in a different direction, the I'm going to use a word the left loves, especially when they deploy their DEI and ESG initiatives.
They love the term stakeholder.
So at CPAC, I did a panel on debanking because our fund experienced it because we did some work in the defense sector, ammo, et cetera, et cetera.
And we were debanked from a couple of banks.
And one of the words they love, they've changed the nomenclature for who's invested from shareholder to stakeholder, right?
So the stakeholder, according to these big banks like SVB that went under and the really woke banks, First Republic out in California, they consider the homeless guy sleeping in the ATM lobby a stakeholder.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
john cardillo
Right.
But in this scenario, Antifa, whomever they were, they have no stake in this whatsoever.
No stake whatsoever.
So the parents, the kids, the teachers, the administrators, the school board, local elected officials, you can argue they're all stakeholders.
I hate the stakeholder term anyway.
But the radical leftists who showed up had no stake in this.
They were showing up simply to be instigators.
And what they everybody's trying to make this about Armenian Americans and this and that.
No, these are just parents who've been who are fed up.
They've had enough.
You saw it, you know, not far away from here, Loudoun County.
And here these people said enough's enough, and I think that's the way.
Now I'm not trying to get anybody's head, but I think that's how many of these parents saw it.
It wasn't we're a certain demographic, and this is politically ideological, and we're opposed to them because we're conservative.
No, I think they're just basically saying these are our kids.
What the hell business do you have here?
And why are you coming here to disrupt the way we want our kids taught and the way we want to parent?
And as we've seen, I mean, you guys, Tim, you've been out there and in the streets with this stuff.
They instigate, they instigate, they instigate, and they've always gotten away with it.
And this time they didn't.
They just had fed up parents who had enough, who wanted to protect their kids.
And I think you're going to see more and more of this, because people are just, look, you can do a lot of things, don't come after people's kids.
When you start coming after people's kids, bad things happen.
ian crossland
Yeah, it makes people desperate, like you see the mother bear, the female bear, how it'll just go sight, completely blood like, it's not even blood loss, like it wants to hurt, it wants to protect the child.
And it will annihilate anything.
john cardillo
Even if you're well-meaning.
You see a little cub, you want... Right.
You just want to pet it.
tim pool
If you're well-meaning.
ian crossland
I think that a lot of the people in this movement, this political movement, the trans movement or whatever you want to call it, are, for them, they believe they are well-meaning.
But it doesn't matter if people find a threat towards their children.
So you need to understand that people will... But you're not well-meaning.
unidentified
If you remove the bear cub, you're not well-meaning.
tim pool
These are people who are intentionally targeting children with overt adult content.
john cardillo
That's right.
tim pool
Matt Walsh, The Daily Wire, we'll get more in depth in this after we wrap up this story, did an expose where he found this rubber stamping of procedures, of sex change procedures, because these companies are getting tons of money for it.
They are not well-meaning.
They are selfish, egotistical, violent narcissists who are in a cult.
ian crossland
I just re-watched the music video of, We'll convert your children.
You remember that?
tim pool
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
We'll convert your children like smiling and like and like yo, you can't just joke and say that out loud. They're not
joking I know they said they were joking like a week later two
weeks later After the fact it was just we were just playing around like
you just told people you were gonna convert their children And explain how they do it. They said they're gonna get
tim pool
their friends. They're gonna bring the places. Yeah You there's nothing you can do to stop it
You can't control what your kids see?
This is like the Boys Choir or something?
They're talking about giving your children access to adult content to indoctrinate them?
john cardillo
Yeah.
tim pool
They're doing it now!
Yes.
And so I'm surprised it took this long for parents to realize and to be active.
ian crossland
And for the record it was the San Francisco Gay Men's Choir who made this video where it was like a bunch of guys singing about how they're gonna convert your children.
I mean, whoa!
john cardillo
But listen, it's not a new... The parents are fed up now because the bad guys, the groomers, call them what you will, are getting closer physically, closer in proximity to the kids.
When I left law enforcement, going back to the early mid-2000s, I worked quite a bit right before I left and then after with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
And I wish I could unsee some of the imagery and some of the case files I saw that I wouldn't get into here.
It wouldn't be appropriate.
But what I will tell you is this has been around for a long time.
NAMBLA, the North American Man-Boy Love Association, they skirted laws for years because they're First Amendment protected, right?
They say, well, we're simply disseminating information on nations that have lax laws for sex with kids, or if you want to protect kids, don't go to these nations that have child sex tourism.
That's how they get around it.
But if you really want to get into their psyche, there's a great book.
It was written probably in the early to mid 90s by an FBI agent.
The guy's name was when the bureau actually did some good work and wasn't a political persecution squad.
I believe the guy's name was Bob Hamer, and it's called The Last Undercover.
And it's about his, he's pretty much spent, he was an anomaly.
He pretty much spent his entire career undercover.
He wasn't a guy that did field work for a while, then did it for a little bit and came back.
He just had a knack for it.
And this guy did everything from biker gangs to La Cosa Nostra.
His last one was embedding with NABLA and he embedded as a trust fund guy who was a pedophile.
And the things they would do, like back when there was a mall at Herald Square in Manhattan, they would congregate a group of these pedophiles.
These men from like their mid-30s to their 70s would go to the mall in Herald Square on the second floor and watch the kids come in after school and pick their targets.
And this has been going on, but you couldn't, we tried, we went after NABLA and NICMAC went after NABLA and the Bureau and Homeland Security Investigations, HSI is very good at this, one of the best in the world.
We joked about Canada, the RCMP has really talented child sex crimes investigators, but these guys are smart.
And the scary thing is they're often well-funded and they don't fit a profile.
Anybody in this room could fit the profile.
Anybody in a restaurant can fit the profile.
It's really difficult to tell who they are, but they are proactive, and they are some of the worst predators you'll ever see.
Now what they're doing, they've been so emboldened for so long by knowing how to play the system, and knowing how to frustrate law enforcement, that they've gotten closer and closer, and now they're comfortable physically getting into the schools, becoming teachers, becoming administrators.
I'm not going to go off on conspiracy tangents about global pedophile networks and all.
Yeah, there are definitely global child sex trafficking networks.
This is a law enforcement established fact, right?
tim pool
Isn't Maxwell in jail because of that?
john cardillo
She's 100% in jail because of it.
No, no, I'm saying that.
What I'm saying is I don't think, you know, Hillary Clinton's personally abducting kids and the Podesta brothers are helping her in vans picking the kids up.
And we've seen those things too.
I'm not going to go down that road.
But there are definitely child sex trafficking networks around the world.
We know this, right?
In fact, one of the groups that actually has helped Are the Mexican cartels because they know it's bad for business, right?
If you talk to federal law enforcement or intelligence community, they'll tap the cartels for information on some of these checks, right?
Because cartels know, look, they want to sell their drugs, right?
And they'll traffic adult women and prostitution, but they know kids are really bad for business.
That's when we send special operators down there to start killing people if they start abducting kids to solve the problem.
But they've gotten very bold because they've gotten away with it for so long.
They haven't been prosecuted.
Now they are in the schools.
That's not conspiratorial.
They're being handcuffed and pulled out and you're not seeing the stories because the left-wing media doesn't want to validate what the right's been saying.
tim pool
But I think you're talking about the superliminal and the issue at play now is the subliminal.
john cardillo
Well, I think they go hand-in-hand, though.
unidentified
There's both.
john cardillo
They go hand-in-hand.
tim pool
But this story is, they pretend to be activists, they use cover of media.
So I referred to one journalist as likely a pedophile because she was covering up overt pedophilic actions.
You've got this one teacher now, I think her name was Sarah Bonner or something like that, in Illinois, instructing young children on how to use adult anonymous gay sex apps.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Why would a teacher go to children and say, read this?
There's only one answer.
john cardillo
But I don't see that as subliminal.
I see that as overt.
tim pool
That's overt.
What I'm saying is that when you get activists in the media defending it, saying it's you hate gay people, That is the subliminal, that is the manipulation, where they are taking control of the machine.
I tell you, if there is no pushback, and I don't see this becoming a reality, but they will try to legalize this stuff.
john cardillo
They will!
But to your point, Tim, about these journalists and all, and you see them as pedophiles themselves, you're 100% right.
Here's a case that isn't a pedophilia case, but I think it's a good parallel.
I don't know if you guys remember a lawyer named Lynn Stewart.
She was a lawyer for Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh.
He was the guy behind the first World Trade Center bombing in 93.
Right, right.
The one that wasn't too devastating.
And for years, federal law enforcement knew that she was, he was her client, but they knew she was assisting, aiding, abetting, and she would always stand behind her law license and privilege.
Well, finally they had enough.
And they, you know, they knew it was the crime fraud exemption, right?
They knew what she was doing.
They were able to get surveillance in the federal holding facility, saw that he was giving her kites, you know, prison notes.
She was passing information on to these terrorists, enabling his terror network, and she eventually was convicted, prosecuted, et cetera, et cetera.
It's the same thing these journalists who are sympathetic to this are doing.
They're enabling it, and they should be prosecuted as such.
ian crossland
I just looked up philia.
tim pool
Well, that's a very, very difficult line.
It's one thing if there's an active terrorist giving instruction to a terror network and you're acting as a courier for that illegal information.
john cardillo
But if you're giving – see, here's where I disagree with you.
If you're giving them cover by using your law license to shield, how do we know these journalists aren't doing the same?
tim pool
If a journalist engages in an illegal activity, by all means prosecute them.
If a journalist has a disgusting opinion, fire them and make what they do unthinkable.
john cardillo
But what I'm saying is most normal human beings, most normal human beings would not be permissive of such heinous behavior unless they had a stake in it somehow.
unidentified
Right, right.
tim pool
So I think there's probable cause there.
john cardillo
Or at least reasonable suspicion to start looking deeper to get to the PC to get the warrants.
tim pool
Agreed, yes.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you made this point about people infiltrating the public school system and I think that's very important because what the left and the dominant media culture has made very clear to the American people Is that if you are someone who wants to abuse children, as long as you're using they-them pronouns, or the pronouns of the opposite sex, they will treat anyone who regards you with suspicion as a bigoted person who shouldn't be listened to.
john cardillo
That's right.
That's right.
ian crossland
I just looked up philia.
This is a lot of, like, wordplay that people have been doing.
Pedophilia.
Philia is a type of love from Greece.
Ancient Greece.
And it's the type of love that translates as friendship.
The love of friendship.
Philia.
It's fine.
But eros... Hemophilia.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Eros is love, sexual love.
Now, these people are pederotic.
They're not pedophilic.
john cardillo
That's a great point.
ian crossland
They might be both, but you gotta call them peder- pederosts.
Peder- at the very least, like, they're- it's about s- the- the di- it's not about- I mean, it is weird for a grown adult to be friends with a nine-year-old kid that's not their son, but it is- it's the er- erotic love that's the problem.
tim pool
You know what?
john cardillo
I had a- I had a former Federal prosecutor good guy who did these trainings at NCMEC who would drum that into everybody's head.
They're not pedophiles They're pederasts he would say exactly what you just said because he wanted to draw that distinction goes back to a lot of what we say right in in conservative or Libertarian media that that language does matter don't let the left own the narrative don't let them create new terms He was adamant about that.
So you're spot-on.
ian crossland
Oh, that's good.
Who was that that did that?
john cardillo
It was a What was that guy's name?
We had a bunch of trainers.
I forget his name.
He was an FBI agent back when the Bureau was good, and then he was a federal prosecutor.
I gotta dig it up for you.
ian crossland
Yeah, man, love is not love.
There are many different types of love, and that is super important.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story.
We have a major story from the Daily Wire.
This is crazy.
My jaw hit the floor when I saw this.
Matt Walsh undercover investigation catches trans healthcare providers rubber stamping sex change surgeries.
Basically, they had a producer Call in, and within 22 minutes in a virtual appointment, even after saying they weren't dysphoric, the person wrote a letter saying they were, and it's simple.
There's a lot of money to be made in rubber stamping these things and sending them out, and you are protected politically when you make money this way.
The Daily Wire reports some of the nation's largest trans healthcare providers are rubber-stamping approvals for life-altering sex change procedures and even falsely representing health diagnoses of patients so insurance companies will cover the medical expenses.
Daily Wire host Matt Walsh revealed in a tweet thread Wednesday.
So apparently...
These doctors will say explicitly, if we don't give you this diagnosis, the insurance will not cover it.
So you need to be diagnosed this way.
And then, let me actually, I think I have the thread here.
I think he explicitly brings up that his undercover producer says that he's not dysphoric.
Let me see.
He says the letter keeps capitalizing Orchiectomy, is that how you pronounce it?
Without an before it, as if it's just been copy-pasted into a template.
Greg followed up to learn why he had been diagnosed with gender dysphoria.
Plume admitted to just use letter templates provided by WPATH.
He says, just checking on this to make sure this will be okay in the letter.
I'm not really considering myself dysphoric, so wanted to check on that one thing, otherwise letter looks great.
The doctor says, the care coordinator, hi Chelsea, look at this, you get, iPhone says she, her, hers, this is redacted, a care coordinator with Plume, I will page your provider on this to see what she says, I know we rewrite, we write letters based on WPATH templates, but I can ask your provider if it's necessary to have it, and if not, perhaps it can be removed.
Later, Plume's nurse confirmed, in order for the surgery to be paid for, the dysphoria diagnosis would need to remain.
At the same time, the nurse appeared to confuse as to why Chelsea Bussey had requested testicle removal in the first place.
Saying, let's see, so Chelsea Bussey, which is the undercover, is a male producer for Matt Walsh.
Thanks for getting back to me.
I was just saying I don't feel dysphoric right now, but it's okay to keep the letter right.
The nurse says, nurse practitioner, oh okay, well the surgery is related to the gender dysphoria, which you diagnosed with.
It is controlled with HRT, but in order to get the surgery to be paid for a GCS, it will need to be related to gender dysphoria, which you are diagnosed with.
Does that make sense?
Or is the ORCI not gender confirming?
So it seems like, basically what they're uncovering, these companies, they don't care.
They want the money.
john cardillo
They want the money.
Look, I can't get my dog on an airplane with a letter from a doctor anymore, but in 22 minutes you can be castrated and it can be paid for by insurance.
I mean, this is sheer insanity.
ian crossland
Whole industry's insanity right now.
john cardillo
Yeah, it's marketing.
They're marketing.
I mean, look, it's the same as the vaxxers, right?
And they're marketing.
tim pool
But they're protected.
And this is the crazy thing.
They're protected, that's right.
Jimmy Dore had such a great bit that I saw today.
He was like, when it came to Big Pharma, people would say, people say, don't do your own research.
The media comes out, don't do your own research.
He's like, what?
That's crazy.
We used to call doing your own research, reading.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Not to read.
And he goes, we would never tell.
john cardillo
That was an excellent bit.
tim pool
He said, we would never tell anyone to not do their own research in any other area.
Imagine if you were like, No, I think I'm going to go buy a new car.
Don't look into it!
How am I supposed to know what car to get?
Ask the salesman, he's the expert.
john cardillo
Yeah, it was a great bit.
tim pool
It's absolutely fantastic.
seamus coughlin
The salesman, he's the expert.
No, it's brilliant.
john cardillo
It's worth watching.
tim pool
What we have with Big Pharma and these medical practices, political protection, far-left extremists saying, do not look into it, and the media saying, that's right, if you do, something's wrong with you.
Remember when the New York Times wrote not to think critically?
Mm-hmm I gotta tell you man if you I look if I don't know I don't know how to help these people Genuinely if they're like I was told not to think critically so I stopped listen I mean since we were like five years old right nursery school kindergarten.
john cardillo
You're told I mean it was it was like the most ubiquitous statement on the planet when he came to doctors get a second opinion and Yeah.
Until we learn Fauci's name.
Then, anyway, if you got a second opinion, you were a crazy conspiracy theorist.
You were anti-science.
You didn't trust the experts.
Give me a break.
Give me a break.
tim pool
This is crazy.
Matt Walsh posts the letter which says she reports ongoing gender dysphoria despite the fact that in texts The producer said, I do not have dysphoria.
john cardillo
Right?
seamus coughlin
So, this is also something that we learned a number of months ago when Jamie Reed, who was working at a clinic that was giving treatment towards minors, came out and basically said that there's... I'm sorry, I had it backwards.
tim pool
Sorry, I had to correct.
I had it backwards.
That was the earlier tweet.
They then asked about it, and he then said he didn't have dysphoria.
So, my mistake.
Sorry, continue.
seamus coughlin
No, no, I was just saying that a whistleblower named Jamie Reed who was working at the St.
Louis Transgender Center was talking about the kind of rubber stamp routine that happens here and how there are these templates and what they do is give people sort of tips on what they can say to the therapist to ensure that they're going to be given the green light to go ahead with these procedures.
ian crossland
I went to a doctor for a checkup a little while ago, like a month ago, and the doctor was like, how have you been feeling like mentally?
I was like, oh, I'm existentially, I got a lot of stress, you know, the world economic order, how it's shifting.
And he's like, you want something for that?
And I was like, do you want to like do a blood test on me?
Do you want a psychological operation?
Like, do you want to do an eval first, or do you just want to hand me some Prozac?
Like, the guy just, he was so ready to give me the medicine, the drugs.
Yeah, the medicine.
The psychoactive, whatever, suppressants, or whatever the hell they are.
john cardillo
Quick question for you guys.
Do we know which state Greg was chatting with this company?
Do we know which state this company was located in?
tim pool
I think we probably do.
john cardillo
The reason I ask is my next question is going to be, why isn't the State Attorney General opening an immediate insurance fraud investigation on these providers?
tim pool
Oh, I mean, this is insurance fraud.
This is insurance fraud 101.
I want to clarify what I was saying with the letter.
So first, the letter is posted.
Let me grab it from this.
Here we go.
So, in tweet number 13, it says, three days later, Palumes sent this letter to Chelsea Bussey, who does not exist, saying he was experiencing gender dysphoria.
The producer then responded, saying, no, I don't.
The coordinator then responded, well, it has to be in there.
So, keeping the letter as is, saying this person has dysphoria, despite the person texting saying, no, that's not true, that's insurance fraud.
john cardillo
That's blatant insurance fraud.
I mean, there's your probable cause.
ian crossland
Also, potentially medical malpractice.
tim pool
These are all over the country, apparently.
This is all over the country, apparently.
john cardillo
But the insurance fraud's criminal.
That's a felony.
seamus coughlin
I mean, the fact that the other elements of it aren't criminal is also an indictment of our laws.
And this is something I mentioned, Jamie Reid is a whistleblower.
We also had a Helena Kirshner on who was describing her experience and the fact that she went to Planned Parenthood and was able to get the maximum dose she could get after a relatively brief conversation where I think she said she didn't even talk to a doctor.
I mean, they're just pushing this stuff through.
tim pool
Planned Parenthood for a few minutes and then she got the maximum dose of testosterone?
seamus coughlin
And initially, the person she was speaking with wasn't even going to give her that, but then she asked for it and they just gave it to her.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
And so, if you had any other field of medicine where there were this many scandals with this many different whistleblowers coming forward and saying, yeah, there's actually this entire complex set up around Trying to give me the proper answers to tell to other physicians to get certain treatments that they're supposed to be vetting me for objectively.
We'd be having a national dialogue about it, but we're not when we're talking about literally amputating body parts that cannot ever be replaced or restored once they're removed and mutilating children.
ian crossland
The medical marijuana rack was a racket.
They were like, you gotta tell them that you have stress or they won't give you the medical marijuana card.
So you go and you're like, I have stress, and then they give you the card.
seamus coughlin
And then I think in some areas, right, if you said that you had that kind of stress and they gave you a medical card, it actually precluded you from being able to own a gun.
tim pool
For 12 months.
But you'd have to put that you were a current drug user.
ian crossland
That stuff is amputating.
There's no amputation.
It's a license to buy marijuana, which is ridiculous.
seamus coughlin
Much less serious than removing a body part.
ian crossland
Cutting an arm off or a body part off or testicles or whatever.
john cardillo
Yeah, I'm very libertarian on the weed issue.
I think it's... I couldn't care less.
Couldn't care less.
Never came across any bad guys that were, you know, trying to kill anybody.
tim pool
But now I'm starting to wonder, to be completely honest.
john cardillo
Are you?
tim pool
Well, I mean, you've got all of these detrimental things that they're trying to pass on to people, so I just don't trust them.
john cardillo
Oh, that's a different story.
tim pool
Yeah, if Democrats came out and they were like, we actually think Jell-O pudding's fantastic, I'd be like, I'm not gonna do that.
What's happening here?
seamus coughlin
I've said this before, I'm absolutely... I don't eat sugar anyway.
I'm totally against the federal war on drugs.
I think if a state wants to, you know, ban marijuana, I'm totally fine with that.
But I remember when I was graduating high school about 10 years ago, this was when the massive push was happening for weed to be legalized and when we actually started to see it happen.
And all of the arguments being made, instead of making the libertarian argument, which I don't necessarily agree with, but which I think is a better argument, and that is, this might be bad for me, but let me do it, there was so much mythologizing about how this is going to cure your cancer and it's a miracle.
It's like, okay, you don't have to do that either, right?
You don't have to push it all the way in that direction, but I hear you.
Yeah.
That also made me more suspicious at the time.
All of the bombastic claims about how great it was.
john cardillo
That's marketing, though.
Which, look, Big Pharma is just downright demonic in the way they market these things.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, they're marketing it.
You watch TV in the middle of the day.
I have it on in the background, right, when I'm working.
Every other commercial is a former commercial for something.
The side effects are, it's a 45 second spot, a 30 second spot, the side effects are horrible.
tim pool
The side effects often do what you're trying to treat.
john cardillo
That's the point.
seamus coughlin
And then after that commercial, like two commercials later at some law firm, it's like, you could be entitled to money if you took this medicine from that same company that's now been recalled.
tim pool
Wait a minute.
There'll be one commercial that's like, are you suffering from acid indigestion?
See if Acidosto is right for you.
Side effects may include explosive diarrhea and headaches.
Then the next commercial is, are you suffering from headaches and explosive diarrhea?
See if this drug is right for you.
john cardillo
Zantac is going to kill you.
No, it's nuts.
I mean, it's just crazy.
And I think we learned quite a bit about Big Pharma in the last few years.
But I think what they've done, you know, John Stossel did a good expose on it years back where he made a strong argument For Big Pharma, right?
I guess his brother works in that industry and he was saying how on average they spend about 800, this was then, about 850 million dollars to develop a drug and some don't work, others do work but they're just not prescribed.
So he made a good argument for why certain things cost the way they do.
I don't think anyone ever foresaw what we saw in the last couple of years.
I mean you saw a pharma commercial, one every ten commercials.
My friends and I are on a text chain.
seamus coughlin
Brought to you by Pfizer.
john cardillo
Yeah, my buddies and I are on a text chain.
One's a banker for one of the large banks but he's Very politically like-minded.
And we just run jokes all day long.
Like, have you taken your Skyrizzy today?
Do you have your Relaxium and your Prevagen?
unidentified
Like, it's just nuts.
john cardillo
It's just crazy.
Every other commercial.
ian crossland
It was when they told me not to question it.
I was like, what in the hell is happening right now?
seamus coughlin
Don't look into it!
john cardillo
Trust the experts.
seamus coughlin
And also them saying that they weren't looking into things, right?
When Fauci was saying he wouldn't even entertain Lab League.
You won't even entertain it?
You won't even think about it?
Really?
tim pool
Stop taking critically, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
ian crossland
John, do you think that the federal prohibition on weed is because of pharma, the pharma industry?
john cardillo
Oh, 100%, right?
But right now, the federal government's not prosecuting weed.
The DEA, so I've got a lot of friends at DEA, their policy right now I asked one of my buddies who's an agent.
This isn't some guy I know.
It's a guy who lives in my neighborhood.
We socialize.
I said, so you guys hit a house.
You hit a trap house and you find, I don't know, 10 kilos of heroin.
You find 15 kilos of coke and five pounds of weed.
What do you do with the weed?
He goes, I'm gonna destroy it.
We don't even put it on the charging sheet anymore.
Because DOJ, they haven't legalized it, but they've basically decriminalized it.
So they're not even prosecuting for it.
It's not even going to show up.
Why destroy it?
tim pool
It's a work.
john cardillo
Yeah, the heroin will be logged, the coke will be logged, but the weed just, they burn it up or whatever they do it.
tim pool
So that's like, they're doing work, just leave it, ignore it.
Like, do you take a kitchen table with you?
john cardillo
Well, that's the thing, they seize it because it's still technically illegal, but they don't That's it.
That's where it begins and ends.
It gets burned and they're done.
ian crossland
But they just keep it schedule one just in case there's somebody they want to bust?
john cardillo
Well, I think you make a good point, right?
Because DEA and FDA tend to work hand in hand, right?
FDA does the civil enforcement.
DEA comes in with the gun.
I mean, FDA as armed agents when needed, but the DEA steps in for the bigger stuff.
But think about who typically funds and eventually staffs FDA and that pipeline goes back and forth like John McCain had with the defense industry and his staffers, right?
The FDA and big pharma trade bodies back and forth.
And so You're talking about cutting into massive profits.
I've got a buddy who's a neurologist, a pain management doctor.
He loves weed for certain chronic pain conditions.
He hates prescribing opioids.
He doesn't want to do it.
He won't do it.
He'd rather give a shot, you know, spinal injections, etc.
He just hates it.
He hates what it does to people.
He won't prescribe them anymore.
And he's a very successful doctor.
The pressure he gets from the pharma reps for being pro-weed, and he's not even talking about flour.
seamus coughlin
A lot of times it'll be gummies or And by the way, I want to make the point, even though I mentioned I'm fine with states banning it, like, I don't dispute that there could be legitimate medicinal uses for it.
I don't know enough about it, but I've also heard people who are physicians claim that there are good reasons to use it.
You mentioned the fact that it isn't generally prosecuted, and Ian, you brought up the point that they could selectively prosecute.
I guess, you know, if Trump starts smoking pot, they'll be banging down his door, certain of it.
john cardillo
Well, DOJ has written policy now to not prosecute for weed, and the sister federal agencies, even Homeland, for example, they're not DOJ, they're their own entity, but they're just not prosecuting because the federal prosecutors won't even bring the case.
ian crossland
Is it because they can't get a verdict?
john cardillo
They just don't care.
I mean, look, part of the problem is they're starting to see the revenue.
Right?
So you take Big Pharma's profits out of it.
They're kicking back big tax dollars to the federal government, these dispensaries.
They're making big money.
Right now, if you have a medical marijuana license in Florida, which is that whole seed-to-sale model, you've got to show, as we sit here today, guys, if you can't show 50-some-odd million liquid, around 55 million liquid ready to go, you're not even going to be considered for the license.
unidentified
Wow.
john cardillo
Yeah, it's real money.
If you want to buy an existing operation, they're starting in the nine figures.
unidentified
Wow.
john cardillo
Yeah, down in Florida anyway, because you've got it's seed to sale, right?
Or it was.
ian crossland
Meaning the people that grow it, also the people that sell it.
john cardillo
Right, they want you to have a holistic ecosystem.
They want you to have the land.
They want you to have the dispensary.
It's all got to be one pipeline.
So they call it, you know, seed to sale pipeline.
tim pool
Well, I think, I think weed should be legal, but I don't like it.
john cardillo
I think it's bad for people.
That's it.
unidentified
Right.
john cardillo
But, but again, to your point, Let me do it.
Not me, per se, but I don't like legislating morality.
ian crossland
Yeah, there needs to be education about dosage, man.
It's about dosage.
Anyone that gets sloppy stoned is probably not in a great state of mind.
john cardillo
They're gonna get sloppy drunk.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's way more dangerous.
tim pool
I agree with you on the morality thing.
The issue is that society shouldn't tolerate it, shouldn't tolerate immoral things.
And the problem is we have a culture in society that tolerates everything.
And so we just have immorality running rampant, and now there's no morality on the left.
They have no moral framework at all.
unidentified
None.
john cardillo
Like, take Florida, right?
You'll never see—I shouldn't say never, but I can tell you right now—you probably won't see, in the short term, recreationally, legal weed in Florida.
And it's really not a political issue.
It's the hospitality industry.
They're big, and they don't like the smell.
They think it'll turn guests off.
They think if they have a bunch of kids— It's a real thing.
seamus coughlin
There are certain areas that just stink now.
john cardillo
Well, that's it, and their logic is sound.
They're like, hey, look, it's one of the other reasons, I mean, not to veer too far off track, that we don't get open carry in Florida, is because the hospitality industry, we have a lot of European tourists, guns aren't as prevalent, they're afraid of it, it won't come, they'll spend their money elsewhere.
So I do get that, as much as a 2A absolutist as I am.
But with the weed, I've spoken to a few of the hotel ownership groups and all, and they said, look, We don't want to be charging 800 bucks a night in season for a room, have affluent families.
There are a couple of kids come there by the pool and then they start, these families start checking out because they don't want their toddlers smelling this and seeing it, you know?
So it does make sense.
ian crossland
At least for flour, like oil and gummies and edibles and things.
john cardillo
Well, they don't bother you for that.
Yeah, they're fine with that.
They don't, if somebody's vaping at the pool, it's the flour.
tim pool
No smoking.
I mean, it doesn't matter what you're smoking, you can't smoke.
john cardillo
That's right.
No smoking.
ian crossland
That's a big part of it, too, is smoke.
Smoking is hard on anybody.
john cardillo
That's right.
And the cigars, too.
The same, they don't allow cigars either at these pool decks at all.
ian crossland
Uh, sorry that I took us away from the Matt Walsh conversation.
seamus coughlin
That was awesome, too.
No, no, no, no.
It's fine.
unidentified
That is a perfect headline for what we just... What were you saying, Shane?
seamus coughlin
No, no, I think you made a good point, though.
Oh my goodness.
ian crossland
Oh, this is that New York Times article that Tim was referencing.
seamus coughlin
Well, misinformation is information they want you to miss, right?
tim pool
Don't go down the... You gotta read it first.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I know.
tim pool
Don't go down the rabbit hole.
Critical thinking, as we're taught to do it, isn't helping in the fight against misinformation.
seamus coughlin
Beautiful.
ian crossland
What a ridiculous... I know!
Just blatantly inaccurate... It is... It's like specifically saying the wrong thing.
Don't look into it!
Don't question it.
tim pool
That's not how you— This is what I was saying about weed.
When they start moving to legalize it everywhere, and it's particularly in these states that, you know, kill and sterilize kids, I'm kind of like, I don't know if I trust them.
You know what I mean?
Like, maybe it should always be that thing on the out— like, on the fringe where it's like, it's illegal, but, you know, people do it sometimes.
We shouldn't have people in prison for it, but we shouldn't just be explicit with recreational use.
I don't know, man.
I'm fairly libertarian, so I just, ultimately, Actually, I'll put it this way.
I'm becoming more liberal, I suppose, than libertarian, in that I'm starting to feel like, one, we need to repair culture, desperately, so that people aren't giving their kids pot, or encouraging recreational use of drugs and things like that.
But we also probably do have to legislate, to some degree, things that we view to be moral.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, that's the thing.
It's really not possible not to legislate morality, right?
All law has some basis in morality.
But when it comes to this question of misinformation and telling people not to do their own research, I mean, this is so obviously self-serving for the mainstream and for the establishment, you know, exactly why they're telling people this.
It's an example of things kind of coming full circle.
I quoted Thomas Sowell on the show earlier tonight, and one thing I remember hearing from him that really got me thinking was he pointed out that in the public school system today, kids are taught that it's very important to make a difference.
And he also made the point that they're not taught that it's important to know about the thing you're trying to make a difference about.
And when he said that, it resonated with me because that was very much my experience in public school.
I had many lovely teachers, but there was kind of this prevailing ethos of go out, change the world, make a difference.
and not much of a conversation about how you should also research these things, become
knowledgeable about them, really have something to say or do that's meaningful, and now it's
actually come full circle to the point where they're openly saying, like, not only should
you A. make a difference, but B. you shouldn't do any research about the social change you
You should just listen to us when we tell you how the system should be rearranged, and then you should do our bidding.
tim pool
Let's talk about this story from the Daily Mail.
Fox threatens to sue Tucker Carlson for violating his contract with the launch of his new Twitter show that 80 million people and counting watched.
So why are they doing this?
I think they want Tucker Carlson to shut up until after the election.
It makes no sense why they would take him off the air but then also say you can't talk.
Like he made a Twitter video and they're saying you've breached your contract.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because he posted a video of himself on Twitter?
That's normal social media.
This is what we're just talking about with critical thinking in the press.
The press does not want anyone breaking the narrative so they remove Tucker from the airwaves.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
And so we saw this with James O'Keefe, right?
And Project Veritas coming after him.
Again, not knowing a whole lot about the law or the legal precedent that's there.
The fact that they would remove him from their organization and then try to stop him from doing his journalistic work when he's no longer with that organization suggests to me, in my personal humble opinion, that there are issues with the journalism he's doing.
Because he's no longer affecting them in any way, unless that's the thing that concerns them.
So similarly, with Tucker Carlson being ousted from Fox, a lot of people were making the argument that they were only throwing him out into the cold because of this Dominion settlement, even though Tucker didn't really say anything about Dominion.
Now you have them trying to silence him, even though they don't have any more liability there.
So it makes it perfectly clear that the purpose of casting him out wasn't, like, to settle a lawsuit.
It was because they really didn't like what he was saying, and they're upset that he's saying it somewhere else now.
john cardillo
Yeah, I think it was both, though.
I mean, look, they paid out a little over three quarters of a billion dollars, right?
So they're super sensitive to being sued again.
At the same time, one of the things I learned, you know, having worked in media as long as I did, is there is a tremendous amount of pettiness in the C-suite, especially when the hosts or particular hosts, like Tucker, become wealthy and powerful and beyond the reach of that C-suite, of management.
They become That it's not that they're seen as uncontrollable because you gotta extend, you know, your key employees a certain amount of trust, right?
You gotta let them be who they are and they're adults and they're responsible.
And Tucker never crossed lines, right?
He was sensational, but that's what made him good.
But they get jealous.
It's weird.
They get really jealous when the talent becomes more famous, more powerful than them.
I think this became an ego battle.
So they say it's about the Dominion lawsuit and they force him out and he goes off on
his own and they think, ha ha, we've got him.
He's going to go broke.
He's a wealthy guy.
He's generalitionally wealthy now.
He's fine.
But he goes out there, he goes on Twitter and then they start doing the math and they
realize, wait a second, if this guy takes even a third of his audience with him and
he charges them a couple of bucks a month, a few bucks a month.
He's going to be doubling what we paid him while he really doesn't need us.
He's not going to come back and grovel.
So now it just seems to me to be real petty nonsense, like they're just going to try to make his life miserable because he doesn't need them.
tim pool
I wonder how much of this is, we must silence certain voices before 2024 or Trump wins.
So James O'Keefe, Veritas not only freezes him, they then sue him.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
Fox News does the exact same thing.
Now look, maybe it's coincidental that almost at the exact same time, Veritas suspends O'Keefe but locks him in the company, Fox suspends Tucker but keeps him in the company, and then both get sued for trying to do their work to continue their work.
It seems a little bit odd.
Just saying.
john cardillo
I think the O'Keefe situation was different, though, and I had some unique insight to this because I'm friendly with two different board members who are on opposite sides of the issue.
And, you know, the old saying, right?
There's two sides of the story and the truth is somewhere in the middle.
But the one thing both of them Agreed upon, when they told me their versions, and I wasn't with them, was that O'Keefe was never fired.
That he was benched, and that he did violate the NDA.
tim pool
And that's what they went after him for, and this was one who was- Right, so they tell James he can't work, and then when he says, I'm gonna do my own thing, they say, we're suing you now to stop you from doing that.
That's evil.
john cardillo
I'm with you on that, but what they had said, both of them said, well it was more about the violation of the NDA and going out there- It's his NDA!
Well, but there's still a 501.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't care.
john cardillo
Lawyers are weird people, right?
tim pool
Lawyers look at things differently than we do.
Anybody at Veritas who is in agreement with what they're doing to James is an evil, despicable piece of garbage.
The board hired lawyers to do this for them.
john cardillo
Sure.
tim pool
James starts Project Veritas.
He runs it and everyone's behind him.
Then they come and subvert him, benching him, whatever you want to call it, shutting down his ability to do his job.
So what does he do?
I'll start another company.
Now they're suing him?
You know, the only intention, perceivably, is to stop James O'Keefe from doing his work.
john cardillo
Look, I'll play it down.
tim pool
And look at what they're doing right now with Tucker.
There's literally no reason to take his show off the air and then tell him he can't post Twitter videos.
john cardillo
I agree with you.
What I'm saying is, because having been through dumb lawsuits on both sides as plaintiff and defendant in business, once you involve attorneys, Things snowball out of control.
So, you can't deny that Veritas is inextricably linked to O'Keefe, right?
It's his brand.
He's the brand.
They're one and the same.
The minute lawyers got involved, this thing was going sideways.
Same with Tucker.
tim pool
In the exact same way?
john cardillo
Well, because, look, they want a bill.
And they know both organizations have deep pockets.
tim pool
For what reason would you suspend someone and prohibit them from doing work?
john cardillo
Non-competes are enforced every day.
I don't tend to agree with them on how enforceable they are as a matter of law, but that's just what lawyers do because they want to rack up as much billable, as many billable hours as they can.
tim pool
Look, I think the whole... You can't pass this off on lawyers.
I reject that.
john cardillo
But how?
If you're the board of a 501 and your law firm turns around and says you must go in this direction... Project Veritas could have said, let's just let James do his thing.
Well, here's what I'm going to agree with you on that.
I think the entire thing was the most ham-fisted, Moronic PR exercise I've ever seen.
tim pool
And Fox News all the same.
If they don't want Tucker around, they just say, go do your thing.
john cardillo
Well, they should have told Tucker to go do his thing.
Tucker's got a bit of a different situation there, because he really, number one, different rules apply, right?
I mean, one of the things that Veritas, whether it's valid or not, is that there was, finances were mishandled.
Now, I've spoken to some of their very big donors, and those big donors said, we don't care if O'Keefe flew on a solid gold Gulfstream VI.
We didn't donate X dollars to nickel and dime him.
We donated for results.
He got us results.
We don't care how he spent the money.
If we gave him $5 million and he spent all but a penny on himself and got the job done, We're happy.
tim pool
So James made the mistake of bringing on corrupt, envious scumbags to his board who have destroyed Project Veritas.
john cardillo
Look, I think the brand, right?
The brand is him.
tim pool
And now they're trying to stop him from even doing more work.
These are evil people.
john cardillo
The lesson is this.
I mean, you know this.
You run a successful business, right?
I've got partners.
We're a small fund, but we do pretty well.
Never bring adversaries onto a board of directors.
It's the dumbest thing people do.
Especially when you want to be a proprietary entity.
There's this weird sense of nobility where people... Look, I'm going to say it here.
I don't make any apologies for having moved on from Trump to DeSantis.
Trump's personnel picks bear this out.
If Trump had had better personnel acumen, he'd be a very successful second-term president.
This happens everywhere.
So it's not unique to Veritas.
Fox is a different animal because Tucker didn't pick the board.
James should have picked more wisely, but then again, he's a personality, he's not a business guy.
tim pool
Yeah, he should not have started a non-profit.
john cardillo
That's where I'm at.
Yeah, well that too.
ian crossland
The rules are for more.
tim pool
He explained this, how it started, was that he wanted to do some work, he needed to raise money.
He wasn't thinking of it as a commercial venture, so he said, how do I raise money?
Well, you got to be a 501c3.
So okay, so I'll file for that.
He was a young guy.
john cardillo
Sure.
tim pool
For me, I've had other LLCs and other S-Corps and whatever, so I'm like, this is the structure that we use.
And there are even arguments to be made for C-Corps over S-Corps for a variety of reasons.
john cardillo
That's right.
tim pool
But going the non-profit route put him in a particularly vulnerable position for the thing that he built.
And then, these evil people, these brain-slug people come in and destroy Project Veritas.
For what purpose other than because they're envious and evil people?
End of story.
James O'Keefe founded it, he's the leader of it, he's the one in charge, and if the donors are happy and the work was getting done, the only reason to interfere was because they were jealous, evil, or trying to destroy Veritas intentionally.
john cardillo
I don't think they were trying to destroy it, but I do think they did.
But they had no reason to destroy it because the money was coming in and the exposes were strong.
I just think... Then why file a lawsuit?
Because I think people... people have power trips.
And they have power trips through tunnel vision, and they become crusaders.
And they don't realize the collateral damage that's occurring when they become crusaders.
I don't think it was a proactive You know, a career assassination of him, it turned into that.
I just think a bunch of people said, well, we've got to do this.
We're the board of directors.
We're the austere board, and we don't care who the personality is.
And in the real world, that's just moronic.
That's not the way things work.
And it snowballed out of control.
But look, it bit them in the butt at the end of the day.
The organization's never going to be the same.
I get the emails.
I don't look at them the same way.
ian crossland
I'm with you.
I don't look at them the same way anymore.
tim pool
No, he does.
But it's not just that.
So, is the argument then that these are the stupidest people on the planet?
Because I don't buy it.
Filing a lawsuit against James O'Keefe was basically publicly declaring you are shutting Veritas down.
john cardillo
Yeah, but the Playdevil's advocate on that, if in the bylaw, I didn't see him, but the way it was explained to me, in a 501, If you don't follow the rules, you could be prosecuted criminally.
And so if lawyers step in, if you're a board member and you're one of the board members, that was pro-O'Keefe.
Now you've got a law firm sitting in front of you and a good warrant saying, look, guys, we wouldn't have advised you to go down this road, but you did.
And if you don't do A, B, and C now... Bullshit.
And there is something... Well, but here's my point.
Once an attorney tells you that and says to you, you might be personally liable if you don't do these things that we're recommending, how many people are going to go out there and say, okay, I'll take the personal liability?
tim pool
Because the actual real alternative is to say, make it above board.
Which would mean they go to James O'Keefe and say... I agree 100%.
Formal termination and we're clean.
Have a nice day.
john cardillo
Tim, I'm gonna go...
tim pool
When James O'Keefe came out and said he was terminated, all I have to do is say, agreed.
Or the idea that they're like, oh no, we're gonna be prosecuted because James is violating his NDA.
john cardillo
Hold on, back up, back up.
I agree with you 100% here.
What they should have done...
was call the attorneys in before they ever took action.
ian crossland
Yeah.
john cardillo
Sat O'Keefe at a table in a closed door room like this and said, hey guys, to the attorneys, hypothetically, if this were the situation with an executive here and we wanted to maintain the status quo and still be compliant, how could we go about that?
And everybody could have shook hands and walked out of that room.
As friends.
ian crossland
Yeah.
john cardillo
That's where they, that's where they screwed it up.
ian crossland
That's what makes me think it was an emotional response that they just did it to him in public.
john cardillo
I think it was, the way it was done.
tim pool
Yeah, evil.
john cardillo
I've disagreed with.
ian crossland
Greedy.
john cardillo
I played devil's advocate because I've sat on boards, but the way it was done in terms of a PR exercise was devastating to the organization.
tim pool
Unless it was on purpose.
john cardillo
Eh, I don't think it was.
Like I said, I've spoken to both sides.
Even the pro-O'Keefe faction.
On the board didn't feel it was done on purpose.
They felt like you.
That it was a moronically horrible execution, but they didn't feel there was malice in it.
tim pool
How is there anything other than a pro-O'Keefe faction to what he started?
john cardillo
People get very intimidated.
People get nervous if they think they're going to be personally sued or potentially could be prosecuted.
They tend to change their perspective.
tim pool
You resign.
john cardillo
It doesn't matter.
You already knew about it.
The minute you became aware of the situation, your resignation doesn't insulate you.
That's the problem.
unidentified
Look, if you don't blow the whistle, they can go retroactively back.
john cardillo
It may be nothing.
All I'm saying is, from playing devil's advocate, if you're an individual, look, if you're a board member of a bank, you find out there's extortion, you don't report it, you can't just quit and throw your hands up.
tim pool
The fact that they published a letter which actually said several people who signed it didn't actually experience any of this, that had ridiculous stories like James stole a sandwich from a pregnant woman, just shows, in my opinion, malintent.
john cardillo
Well, those were petty examples, too.
I mean, when I read that letter... So there were no real examples?
I called a couple of board members.
I go, why would you ever publish this letter?
This is moronic.
I said, this tells people nothing.
It makes you guys look horrible.
Look, I don't disagree with you.
I'm just saying from a devil's advocate standpoint, I can understand why some people, not everybody, not everybody has fortitude.
They just don't.
A lot of people are weak.
tim pool
There's no devil's advocate.
There's no justification.
None of that adds up.
The amount of hoops you have to jump through to make it make sense why they would do this to James is absurd.
The simple solution is either greedy, envious people were angry with James O'Keefe and wanted to hurt him in some way, or they were intentionally destroying Project Veritas.
john cardillo
You know what I think it also was?
O'Keefe's a brilliant guy.
And the way he goes about things and sometimes with genius comes a bit of an oddball personality.
I think he ruffled some board feathers because he wasn't warm and fuzzy.
People started to get offended and maybe they wanted to check him.
I don't think anybody ever wanted it to spiral out of control like this.
ian crossland
Yeah, they did.
They wanted to check him.
tim pool
What's the lowest level of hell reserved for?
seamus coughlin
Traitors.
tim pool
Yeah.
Betrayers and mutineers.
john cardillo
And if you get on Twitter, that's spelled T-R-A-D-E-R-S.
tim pool
So when you are brought into an organization founded by someone who has done the hard work and sacrificed and risked everything for it, and then you decide you're better than them and should destroy everything they built, I just consider you being worthy of the lowest level.
john cardillo
And also, don't put lawyers and finance people on your boards.
ian crossland
So when they founded Project Veritas, he had to have two others on the board with him, even from inception point.
I don't know if they were names.
john cardillo
I don't know if they were there.
ian crossland
So they may be gone.
john cardillo
The board seemed pretty new.
One guy on the board who was pro-Keef is a business guy out of Florida that I know real well, real nice guy.
The other was an old friend of his who wound up being adversarial with him, so it was weird.
The whole thing was very, very weird.
ian crossland
Robert Barnes, I was listening to him in Viva Frey talking about it a couple days ago, and he was saying, Robert Barnes was saying that Veritas wants to sue O'Keefe to make sure that all the people that were donating to Veritas that are now donating to OMG, Did they get that money now?
But he's saying that, like, O'Keefe brought that money to Veritas in the first place?
john cardillo
Yeah, that's not accurate.
You know, Robert's a good guy, but his takes have been a little off, because you can't tell a donor.
The one group that's impervious to any of this are the donors.
They can take their dollars when they want.
tim pool
But they did literally sue him to stop him from communicating with Veritas donors.
john cardillo
Yeah, but that didn't work.
The donors, I mean, look, I was made privy and I probably shouldn't have been to some donor emails, some of the large ones, and those donors were pretty adamant.
We're going with him.
ian crossland
Yeah, you can donate to him.
john cardillo
We're going with him.
It's our money.
We don't really care what you do.
We have more money than you do.
tim pool
Outside of that, back to what we're seeing with Tucker Carlson.
I do think, whether intentional or not, we are seeing very damaging efforts made that are, with an upcoming election, removing, trying to silence two powerful voices.
ian crossland
This is what I heard.
tim pool
Anti-establishment voices.
ian crossland
Now maybe you guys can confirm or deny this, I don't know, but that Rupert Murdoch's girlfriend, I think it was Rupert Murdoch's girlfriend, said that she told Rupert that she thought Tucker was a prophet, and Tucker didn't like that because he felt that as, or not, Rupert didn't like that because it was a threat to his ego.
john cardillo
I was told that story by a former Very senior Fox executive.
ian crossland
Okay.
I've heard it all over the place.
john cardillo
So I will tell you that the person that told me this was very close to Roger Ailes and they are, in terms of a source on this type of thing, as good as it gets.
You know, the other thing with Tucker could just be profit.
I mean, the guy is powerful.
He's got reach.
He's going to be successful wherever he goes.
The guy could stand outside, put up a video camera and stream it.
He's going to get 80 million views.
He's taking revenue from Fox.
tim pool
And the claim that he breached his contract because he posted a video on Twitter.
john cardillo
It's dumb, it's stupid.
ian crossland
So they got him on golden handcuffs at the moment, they benched him, they kept him on contract, and they're like, now you can't do anything that would compete with what you used to do.
But that, like, that means you can't make an internet video?
I mean, that's...
That's insane.
seamus coughlin
Well, how do you define compete with what he used to do?
This is one thing that you're seeing left-wing commentators who want to donk on him say.
Oh, the production value isn't very good.
This looks nothing like he looked when he was on cable news.
I mean, well, he's still getting a lot of views, right?
And maybe there's an argument to be made there, too, that The fact that there isn't the same level of production quality means it is not a competitive product, right?
I don't know how you could have a contract that says you're not allowed to voice any of your opinions on the internet.
You'd think that he would have seen that or his lawyers would have seen that if they tried putting it in there and said no.
john cardillo
More on the private equity side of the world.
Now, I think this one is strictly about dollars.
Look, they know that whenever Tucker, if Tucker decides to launch a nightly show in his old time slot, he is pulling tens of millions in revenue monthly from Fox.
They know this.
So what they're doing is what big companies do.
They try to scare you with litigation because they have deep pockets.
The problem for Fox is so does Tucker.
It's a guy worth nine figures, a guy who could lay out eight figures in legal and not feel the hit.
He's going to make it back.
He could generate that revenue now.
Fox is a real fight on their hands.
tim pool
80 million views on Twitter, Tucker could probably reasonably charge half a million dollars per advertisement.
john cardillo
That's what I said the other day.
You and I are of like mind.
Somebody said, what do you think he could get for ads or live reads?
I said, minimum half a mil.
ian crossland
If we're a nightly show?
tim pool
I think it's Tucker that a nightly... In general, if we were getting 85 million hits per video, I would be going to... I would actually probably charge a million bucks.
john cardillo
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, he's only done one video so far.
tim pool
And that's low.
That's actually low.
john cardillo
If you're getting 80 million views, you should have 100 million of your net rolling in without worrying about it when you go to bed in the morning.
tim pool
Now, to be fair, that was his first episode.
ian crossland
And Elon retweeted it.
tim pool
And so it's gonna get a ton of play.
I'd imagine he lands around 7 million per episode.
john cardillo
Oh, it's 7 million per episode that you're still pulling.
If he's doing 7 million, he's doubling his Fox show.
tim pool
But after his 7 million... He should get half a million dollars for 7 million views on Twitter.
That's my point.
Of course.
ian crossland
He got 243,000 followers today.
Right Twitter. Wow, that's up from 40,000 yesterday. So he had 18,000 on Monday 40,000 yesterday
240,000 today and counting Yeah, man, he's so that's 10 million a month, right? So it's
john cardillo
a half a million a day But that's 10 million a month you do one one hit like what
one one one ad a day a per show He's gonna wake up at 2 p.m. Wake up at 2 p.m. Do that. You
tim pool
got half a million a day coming in his producer's a week His producer is going to be like, here's a bunch of the stories we've gone through, he's going to read through the news, they're going to work on the script for 40 minutes, then he's going to lay out his argument for 10 minutes, and then he's going to go back to bed.
seamus coughlin
No, he's going to go sleep in his pool of money.
Actually, I don't want to go back to bed, I'm going to swim!
john cardillo
And to your point, if the guy does half a million per pop, He's got 120 million a year rolling in.
They weren't spending 20 million a year to produce his show.
seamus coughlin
No.
john cardillo
Absent his salary.
His production value can exceed Fox.
tim pool
Let's pull up this next story.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's a very good point.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, it has been a very, very good week.
It's been a very good past couple of months.
I hope you're all very happy.
As Bud Light collapses, Modelo becomes number one, Target stock is crumbling, and all of those who embrace wokeness in these big corporations are seeing the stock take a big hit.
We now have CNN CEO Chris Licht out after Trump Town Hall.
He's gone.
They can't even host the frontrunner for the GOP.
The corporate press is dead.
Tucker Carlson gets 80 million views on Twitter.
Nothing is stopping the cultural shift, the victories, or the strengthening of what we're doing.
seamus coughlin
Have any...
Popular, and I use that word lightly.
Have any of the popular hosts from CNN tried to launch any kind of web show?
ian crossland
No, but they would take off if they did.
If Don Lemon started his own web show, he'd be making $10 million a month.
tim pool
You're completely wrong.
seamus coughlin
I thought you were being sarcastic.
tim pool
Do you actually think that Don Lemon- Chris Cuomo, if he started his own- Chris Cuomo is on NewsNation getting 40,000 hits?
john cardillo
Yeah.
unidentified
Nothing.
tim pool
Wild.
Because this is the reality.
ian crossland
Maybe it's too late.
tim pool
No, they're fake personalities.
They are fake personalities cropped up that no one actually watches.
Tucker is an actual thought leader with tons of fans and followers.
john cardillo
That's right.
I did Don Lemon's show once in 2011 or 12 maybe I'm sorry like 13 or 14 it was on BLM riots and we got into somewhat of an intellectual debate about I, my point was, you know, he said, well, let's bring, let's bring it down.
He said, you know, I said, well, look, BLM is a disjointed organization.
It has no leadership.
That's why you've got some maniacs going out there burning buildings down.
He says, well, who would be a leader?
I said, well, I don't know.
Oprah.
This woman is a businesswoman.
She does.
And I got into how this woman created a $2 billion empire from nothing.
And Lemon was like a deer in the headlights.
He's just a dim bulb.
He's a dumb guy.
He's not an intelligent guy.
He could never, to Tim's point, he could never pull off what Tucker pulled off.
ian crossland
Anderson Cooper.
He'd be making some good money if he walked.
seamus coughlin
I think he'd make more than the other people, probably, but nowhere near Tucker territory, right?
No, not at the moment.
I mean, I guess I couldn't even really put an estimate on it.
tim pool
Look, look, look.
Anderson Cooper is a famous guy.
He can make money.
Don Lemon is laughably bad.
However, how many people have you ever met where they're like, yo, did you catch Cooper 360 last night?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, did you hear what he had to say?
tim pool
Tucker Carlson has fans and followers.
Anderson Cooper does not.
He has a little bit, a little bit.
He is a celebrity.
But most people just know who he is because of the ads and the billboards, whereas the people who know Tucker know him for his thoughts.
And his monologues, his ideas.
john cardillo
He has dedicated followers, too.
You know, Cooper and Lemon and Chris Cuomo as well.
They were background fodder, right?
People watched CNN.
seamus coughlin
Airport news.
john cardillo
Yeah, they watched CNN.
They were on in the background.
They knew them.
They were comfortable.
The only place I could see an Anderson Cooper.
Ending up, he'd be like one of those Discovery ID investigative guys, or like Nat Geo Reports.
They'd give him a show, they'd give him a few million bucks a year.
tim pool
Yeah, he'd get a good send-off from the CIA for all of his years of hard work.
john cardillo
For all of his years of hard work.
tim pool
That's a joke, calm down, media man.
john cardillo
He and Ken Delaney in an NBA...
seamus coughlin
And so with Tucker Carlson, when he was let go from Fox, we spent so much time speculating over what story he broke that was the straw that broke the camel's back, because Tucker was subversive and he actually reported on things that people in power didn't want the American people to know about.
That's how you know he was a good reporter.
That's how you know he was genuinely good at his job rather than just being popular.
Because we were having conversations about the stories he broke and the things he talked about that no one else was willing to touch.
And we couldn't even narrow down which one it was that got him fired because there was so much.
When Don Lemon got pushed out of CNN, no one was wondering, oh yeah, which story do you think, which subversive story that Don Lemon broke do you think was the reason those powerful people pushed him out?
tim pool
We were actually arguing what Unstable outburst led to his removal.
john cardillo
Yes, that's true.
tim pool
Is that why he got Vivek Ramaswamy?
john cardillo
Don Lemon?
tim pool
When he snapped on Vivek, reportedly, that's why they got him.
seamus coughlin
Whatever ethnicity he is.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's what he said, right?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
seamus coughlin
That's what he said to him.
He said, whatever ethnicity you are.
john cardillo
What?
unidentified
Wow.
seamus coughlin
What?
john cardillo
He's not the brightest bulb in the box, but I'll actually disagree.
I'll agree with you and disagree with you on Tucker.
People forget the intangible with Tucker.
Guy's been around D.C.
a long time.
He belongs to all the right private clubs.
He knows where a lot of bodies are buried.
I think it's as much about the stories he hasn't yet done.
seamus coughlin
That's a very good point.
john cardillo
As much as the stories he did and the stories they didn't want done.
seamus coughlin
Dude, that's a really good point.
I didn't even consider that.
And they know, he's shown them over the past several years, like, yeah, he's telling those kinds of stories, man.
tim pool
He's like got Epstein's client list and he's just like, that's what I'm saying.
seamus coughlin
He's like, I've been waiting for a slow news day.
Yeah, he's got a lot.
People are only talking about the wildfire this month.
He's got a lot.
ian crossland
You made a statement earlier when you were preempting your ideas that when Fox let Tucker go, but I think technically they didn't let him go.
They have him on a golden handcuff on contract still.
unidentified
Oh, interesting.
john cardillo
They do.
ian crossland
So I love Tucker and what he's done and what he represents, but I also look at this as cut and dry, Fox owns him.
They're going to sue him, get a ton of money for breach of contract, and he's going to have to stop making content for Intel's contract.
seamus coughlin
I'm going to disagree with you on that.
john cardillo
I think he's got the kind of dollars, Liquid, that he's just going to turn around and say, hell with you guys.
And he's going to throw a ton of money at attorneys.
He's going to fight them.
He's going to jam them up.
One thing Fox doesn't want to do, and it's not unique to Fox, it's every large corporation, they don't want to peel back onions in Discovery.
That's the last thing they want to do, because look, you gotta remember, when you produce discovery of things pertinent to a lawsuit, you're pretty much self-policed, right?
You produce what you and your attorneys feel is pertinent to discovery.
Your attorney is officer of the court, is trusted that you're producing what you're supposed to produce.
Well, Tucker knows a lot more about the inner machinations of Fox than Dominion does.
The last thing Fox wants is for Tucker, in discovery, to compel discovery on some things that should have been produced at Dominion but weren't, Wow.
ian crossland
So you think that Tucker will threaten to take it to court and then they'll drop the case?
tim pool
I think he'll ignore them.
john cardillo
He'll ignore them.
He'll just hire attorneys.
tim pool
I don't think he'll even hire an attorney.
john cardillo
Well, I think he has to.
unidentified
Right?
john cardillo
Because if they sue him, he's going to have to respond to the complaint.
If they sue him.
tim pool
So far, send him a letter saying you're in breach.
john cardillo
Right.
tim pool
He can do nothing.
john cardillo
If they file a complaint, he's going to have to answer in 20 plus 10 or 30 days.
tim pool
I imagine what they'll do is they'll send the lawsuit with a letter of intent to file claims or whatever to engage.
john cardillo
Yeah, they'll send a sample complaint, like a mock complaint that's not yet filed, and here's what we're gonna do if you don't stop.
tim pool
Then he hires a lawyer, or he might even still just ignore it and say, file it in court!
Because he just represents himself in court.
No, no, because they're not gonna.
Because the moment they do, he can say, okay, I agree.
Discovery time, baby.
Because it's not his computer that's being opened up, it's theirs.
john cardillo
Oh, it's theirs.
Look, they're gonna ask him for discovery, but his is real limited in scope, right?
If they're gonna be ambiguous about why they let him go, or they severed ties, or they benched him, he can turn around and play dumb.
Say, I have no idea.
Let's open everything.
Yep, that's the last thing they want to do.
Do you think they want, I mean, you know, The head of PR at Fox has a reputation for being a notoriously evil woman.
I don't know what a fair name.
seamus coughlin
I mean, she's in PR, right?
There's a reason you get good at convincing people that someone with a bad reputation has a good one.
john cardillo
The last thing they want are her texts and emails to be produced in Discovery, especially the internal stuff.
So, it would be pretty brutal.
I think he's got them in a rough spot.
ian crossland
So, would they release him from his contract, then?
john cardillo
Or would they just let it... I mean, it depends on how the attorneys... Look, listen, he's going to claim they owe him money, they're going to claim he owes them money, and at the end of the day, they might just wash it out.
He'll say, just leave me alone, let me go, and they'll say, we're not going to give you a dime, and everybody walks away.
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
I think it's more likely that he wins something.
He probably will.
john cardillo
Everybody else has.
tim pool
This Golden Handcuffs thing is going to be viewed very negatively, in my opinion, if it does ever go to court.
And they know that.
Tucker was contracted to produce a show, to host a show.
They then decided he will not do that.
So now, they either let him go, or they pay up.
And so he's saying, if we have an agreement where it's like, I'll pay you X in exchange for you to come on the show, and then I tell you, you can never come on again, and then you say, well, then I'm gonna leave.
I say, no, you can't do that either!
Like, I can't do that.
Like, that's ridiculous.
The agreement is that you are hosting the show.
Now, they may have something in these contracts because they're robust contracts, but I really doubt that there's gonna be a judge who's like, well, no, Tucker, you're not allowed to work right now.
It's more likely gonna be like, this makes no sense, there should be a settlement for separation.
john cardillo
Right, right.
tim pool
In which case, Tucker will likely say, you've gotta pay me X. So...
I've been in these media contracts before.
And people have asked me, like, oh, what if, you know, you leave?
Or, like, what if they don't want you around?
I'm like, they gotta pay out the remainder of the contract.
That's the purpose of the contract.
It guarantees I get X dollars for this time period.
If at any point they wanna break that, they gotta pay me out.
I assume what they're trying to do is say, we didn't actually fire Tucker.
They did.
And Tucker would argue, they fired me in breach of the contract, so they have to pay me out and I'm leaving.
ian crossland
As opposed to if he chose to leave, then they just wouldn't pay him out?
john cardillo
And then they may actually say you're on the hook for... Yeah, they want to claw back some of the income.
tim pool
We paid you for three years, and if you leave, they might say he owes us the remainder of those years.
john cardillo
You know, one of the things that leads me to believe I agree with Tim and think that Fox, the last thing they want is to go to litigation.
They're not slamming him in the press.
They haven't leaked anything on him.
They haven't dropped nasty releases on him.
They're being really tepid in the way they approach him.
They're tiptoeing around him.
Part of that's obviously they don't want to lose the remaining viewers of his that they've kept, but it's an unusual way to go about it when you're going, you know, he's a grizzly, right?
You typically take a kill shot when you go bear hunting like that.
ian crossland
Yes.
john cardillo
And they're not doing that.
ian crossland
If he had violated the contract, that would have been the first sentence out of the mouth.
john cardillo
Out of their mouths.
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
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ian crossland
against you know I remember that as a kid in the 90s this whole
like hate your parents Parents are dorky.
They don't know, but my parents were super cool.
And I was like, ah, this is all weird to me.
seamus coughlin
It's propaganda.
ian crossland
Love your parents, I guess.
Love people that are good to you.
seamus coughlin
Do you remember on The Simpsons, buy me Bonestorm or go to hell!
unidentified
And it's like, go tell your parents!
tim pool
Essay Federale says, Tim, your monologues deserve 70 million views.
I seriously think you and others are being throttled.
I remember writing b-school essays about how little impact net neutrality would have and wanted to smack myself.
Ajit Pai was a sly bad guy.
Um, well, if you like the videos I produce, share them.
But, yeah, we're all being throttled.
You know, however, I do periodically get messages from people and they're like, oh, your video was suggested to me, and I recently got hit up by a high profile individual who said that my videos were being suggested to him, so I'm like, oh, that's good news, right?
john cardillo
I don't see any of your stuff.
I don't get them suggested.
I rarely see you in my feed.
tim pool
That's believable.
seamus coughlin
Every time I ever see a clip from the show, I declare I'm not interested.
Sometimes if I'm feeling really spice, I'll hit report.
john cardillo
I'm just going to start putting community notes on for the hell of it now.
seamus coughlin
I was going to report this one.
We saw it was under Tim's page.
john cardillo
No, I don't see your stuff, so you're definitely being throttled.
On Twitter or YouTube?
On Twitter.
I don't ever see anything you promote.
Rarely.
I would say out of 20 tweets of yours, I may see one or two on Twitter in my feed.
seamus coughlin
I do get your stuff, or our stuff, I guess, recommended to me.
ian crossland
On Twitter?
tim pool
We're going to start putting all of our shows on Twitter, like many other people are starting to do now.
I think the issue is Tucker kind of hit it out of the ballpark, and then we're all jealous.
And I was watching that, and I was looking at it, and I was like, I want 80 million views.
I want to be on Twitter.
ian crossland
Matt Walsh too.
seamus coughlin
I want 80 million views to be on Twitter also.
tim pool
Yeah, come on.
seamus coughlin
What the heck?
Why don't I get that?
Why don't I get it?
tim pool
So I was thinking actually, I think it's reasonable to assume that if I were to put up my 20 minute TimCast news segments, I'd probably get a couple hundred thousand hits per video.
john cardillo
Absolutely.
tim pool
A lot more virality, a lot more shares.
I imagine the retention would be slightly lower.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
But there is still a path to monetization in that If we're selling Casper Coffee in these videos, and we're getting 100,000 hits on each of these clips, and we convince 10 people to buy a bag, it is worth posting them on Twitter.
ian crossland
Also, do you have Twitter subs?
Subscriptions?
Are you guys doing Twitter subscriptions?
That's a lucrative model.
Interesting.
I've signed up for it now.
john cardillo
I've seen them.
They've started, yeah.
seamus coughlin
YouTube also has a very interesting infrastructure for keeping people watching.
I mean, the way Twitter functions is you're constantly scrolling through.
It incentivizes you to look at something very briefly, then keep scrolling, look at something briefly.
So, I mean, keeping someone invested for a 10 to 20 to, you know, 30 to an hour long even video, I think is...
Could very well require like a restructuring of the interface and the way it looks.
ian crossland
Yeah, you want as many, well not as many, but you want all the buttons you need on the full screen model of the UI.
That's for sure.
So like about what Twitter needs right now is a skip ahead 15 second, rewind 15 second button on there.
But other than that, it's looking svelte.
seamus coughlin
Well, just like, you know, when you're on YouTube and you scroll, you only see that video in the comments on that video.
And then off to the side, there's other recommendations.
Like on Twitter, you just always have the option to scroll to something else.
tim pool
All right, what do we got?
I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, most of the fires in Canada have been arson.
Hmm, is that true?
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Remember when they, uh, when there were those far leftists that were starting fires?
There was like a crazy guy who was like throwing firebombs into the brush.
john cardillo
Yeah.
tim pool
And the media was like, it's not happening.
Like, there's a video of a guy.
seamus coughlin
What are you talking about?
They're mostly peaceful.
This is, you know.
tim pool
Mark Hesseltine says, orange sky bad.
I mean, literally, yes.
It's not good.
unidentified
I guess we don't want that.
Very bad.
tim pool
What we got here?
John Sarasanguinis?
Is that what it is?
Sarasanguinis?
This is only news because on the East Coast, yearly thing on the West Coast, bupkis.
Well, yes, it's because half of the US population is in Eastern Time.
And then everyone else is spread out throughout the various deserts and cornfields.
This is the truth.
seamus coughlin
All right.
Those deserts and cornfields are pretty awesome.
Especially the cornfields.
tim pool
Cornfields are based.
ian crossland
Cornfields are super based.
Watching corn from above when the wind's whipping it around is cool.
Looks like silk.
seamus coughlin
I will say, though, not a fan of the whole, let's make everything out of corn thing.
Like, every single thing we make, there's some guy trying to figure out how we can make it of corn instead of what it's supposed to be made of.
No, I know, but it's just very bizarre.
tim pool
Because you're like, hey, normally it would cost me $100 to buy this raw material, and corn would cost $200, but they've paid for the corn, so it's free, so I'd rather just try and figure out how to make corn glass.
We're gonna make cars out of corn.
seamus coughlin
We're like, we're 50 years from your family being made of corn.
ian crossland
Corn hub.
I've been looking to make that joke for like 48 hours and I'm gonna make it again when it's better.
tim pool
Oh, that was good.
ian crossland
Corn hub.
Well, you see the corn emoji is what they say for porn when they're trying to avoid censors and stuff on different platforms.
tim pool
Didn't someone make corn hub and it was like a bunch of corn videos?
ian crossland
I'm looking it up.
I don't want to click on it.
seamus coughlin
That sounds like Chicken City, dude.
It's like a corn version of Chicken City.
tim pool
A live stream of a cornfield.
seamus coughlin
We're just watching corn grow.
tim pool
A bunch of videos of just different cornfields and people harvesting corn, talking about corn.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Team Zeppelin says, Jameis, my 64-year-old wife thinks you're attractive.
Should I start thinking AI?
seamus coughlin
What do you mean?
tim pool
I don't know.
seamus coughlin
I'm not sure.
Well, you know, that's very sweet of your wife.
ian crossland
Start thinking AI?
Is that what he said?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I'm not sure.
ian crossland
Like putting your face on his body?
seamus coughlin
Please don't.
john cardillo
I think we're really delving too deep into this.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't think that's what he was saying.
ian crossland
I'm uncomfortable.
tim pool
Jeremiah Dobler says global warming is a religious belief.
The cherry harvest in Washington state will be two weeks delayed this year, the longest delay in history because the spring was too cold.
Farmers know the truth.
ian crossland
Yeah, man, just look up on the internet, are we still in an ice age?
If you want to search it for yourself.
Yes, we are.
We are coming out of an ice age.
We're in an interglacial period right now.
That's why it's warming up.
The ice is melting on purpose because we're leaving the ice age.
seamus coughlin
Or, have you considered that inventing the internal combustion engine was man's original sin?
john cardillo
It was.
I just want to say, Obama set back interglacial relations for years.
Decades.
Decades.
ian crossland
Did he even know he was doing it?
john cardillo
He didn't know he was doing it.
I assume he didn't.
tim pool
Tom Kavanaugh says, I'd love to try some cast brew coffee, but my order got lost.
DHL says they delivered it.
They didn't.
They direct me to you guys.
You guys direct me to DHL.
End result, no coffee for me.
I'm sorry to hear it, man.
The only thing I can really say is if DHL says they delivered it, but they didn't, then it really is on DHL.
But let me write down that order number and see what we can do.
The other thing is... Look, we have a lot of people who email us with... Well, I'll just... We'll look into it.
ian crossland
That was a nice super chat because you could have used that money to buy another order, but instead you brought it to our attention.
That was very cool.
tim pool
Let me write this down here.
But yeah, so the challenge for us is if we take a package of coffee, we give it to the shipping guy and they're like, so we got it.
And then they report it's been delivered.
We've already handed it off.
You know, it's gone, it's gone shipping.
So like, we don't have it.
Like we don't, like there's no circumstance in which we get an order for coffee and then we like chuck it into a waste bin and just claim that it went out.
Like all the coffee gets loaded up into the thing, given, sent out to shipping.
And then I don't know, whatever they do with it.
But we'll look into it.
I wrote your order number down.
Sorry to hear it, buddy.
We'll see what we can do.
Maybe we'll just send you out a bag.
We'll have to look into what the order was and everything.
Tom Forsythe says a butterfly flapping its wings can cause a hurricane on the other side of the world.
I propose a mission to find and kill that butterfly.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I think that's also like either pro or anti-butterfly propaganda.
I don't know that one butterfly could do that.
ian crossland
That's chaos theory.
I like it.
tim pool
Pinochet's helicopter tour says that church is five minutes away from me was obliterated.
unidentified
I like that username.
tim pool
What is this?
Tarzan Jungle Kung Fu says, bootleg fire in Oregon was bad, almost half mile acres.
The Holiday Farm fire was near me.
Everything looked like Blade Runner 2045, deep red orange, air quality so bad most places shut down, stay safe.
Yeah, my sinuses have been bad.
ian crossland
Yeah, I drank a huge amount of water.
seamus coughlin
You know, mine usually are bad, but they've been great lately.
I think things are finally turning around for me.
ian crossland
What could possibly go wrong?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you guys are having sinus issues.
Maybe I was just built for this.
For this weird, smoky weather.
tim pool
Built different, huh?
seamus coughlin
That's tough.
You should be a fireman.
It's a difficult thing to figure out.
john cardillo
It's very cleansing.
This might be like a new trend.
Like a new spa trend.
seamus coughlin
It's like a wildfire smoke room.
Go into an unventilated room full of smoke.
john cardillo
Toxic smoke room therapy.
ian crossland
Have you done RAPE?
They shoot the tobacco smoke up into the nose and then blow it out.
john cardillo
Is that a thing?
seamus coughlin
I mean, I've definitely had tobacco smoke go up my nose, but I've never... That's intentional.
john cardillo
I live in South Florida, you can find bored housewives to pay 500 bucks a pop to stand in a room of toxic smoke.
If you market it properly.
Alright.
tim pool
Bobcat says, you're going straight to space lasers.
Tim, you need to look up the World War II bat bomb.
It did more damage in Japan than the A-bomb.
I read about that, was it literally bats?
Like they released a whole bunch of bats?
serge du preez
Yeah, and the bats had, I think they had like incendiary, like little...
Pieces of flame on them some kind like little some little like lit like fuse I guess and landed in all the wood.
ian crossland
It's true the bomb consisted of a bomb-shaped casing with over a thousand compartments each containing a hibernating Mexican freetail bat with a small timed incendiary bomb attached.
seamus coughlin
That is some Looney Tunes stuff right there.
john cardillo
Wow.
seamus coughlin
That is ridiculous.
tim pool
Wile E. Coyote level warfare.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
unidentified
They literally packed Bats?
seamus coughlin
Into a bomb?
serge du preez
Hey, they sent balloons at us, so we had to get them back somehow, you know?
tim pool
Yeah, and those balloons were flying for a while, too.
serge du preez
It's kind of crazy.
It actually did a lot of damage, because they just lit everything on fire, because Japan at that point was all made out of wood and paper, essentially.
seamus coughlin
So I guess if your enemy's civilization is built out of wood and paper, you could just send flaming bats at them.
I don't think they're using this anymore, though.
unidentified
I hope not.
seamus coughlin
I mean, firstly, Peeta, you could like, this is how backwards things are, you could bomb civilians with something like this and then Peeta would be upset about the bats.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was feeling that.
john cardillo
Isn't it easier to just drop a regular bomb?
seamus coughlin
Dude, imagine!
john cardillo
Sounds time-consuming to insert the little device on all the bats.
ian crossland
They were going for collateral.
tim pool
Matt Kelly says... Matt Kelly says, an all-woman firefighter crew lost control of a prescribed burn in Banff, Canada, causing a 70-acre forest fire.
What are the odds?
Is that what happened recently?
Or was that... Is that some time ago?
john cardillo
I don't know if you know this, but like...
seamus coughlin
The point of having a fire department isn't so it can put out fires, it's so you can make everyone feel special.
Because they get to be a firefighter.
serge du preez
British Columbia, right?
Yeah, that's right.
ian crossland
They were female for the most part.
seamus coughlin
A mostly female fire department unit.
tim pool
Villainous V says, Tim, have you heard about Italy making June Family Pride Month?
Celebrating families and protecting the kids.
I did hear something on Twitter.
Well, there you go.
Doing something.
Damage Controlling says, we'll boycott companies for targeting children, but won't delete the social media that actively rots your brain as they solicit and promote active child abusers.
If you still have Instagram after today, you are the problem.
I completely disagree.
These are the social spaces where we are trying to win the culture war.
If there were a bunch of creepos in the city center, you wouldn't be like, quick, everyone flee the city center, there's bad people there.
You'd be like, quick, let's go to the city center and stop these creepos.
So, we want to be in these spaces to dominate the conversations and not let them get access to kids.
However, as for Instagram, we should all demand Instagram do something and stop.
You guys heard about this, right?
They're actively promoting these algorithmic hashtags for trafficking.
That's crazy.
Camgirlasuna says, Tim and company, please stop with this advanced weapons garbage.
Your position is, we know about X, so they must have extra secret ultra weapons.
We don't, and your position is stupid.
You're better than that, except Ian, we love the ones.
Yeah, but I think you're wrong.
The U.S.
would not declassify nuclear submarines without contingencies.
That makes literally no sense.
It doesn't mean that what they actually have are more powerful, but they're certainly different.
So if they're coming out and they're saying this is the inside of our nuclear submarine, they're either lying or they have something totally different.
They're not going to give the enemy access to information pertaining to how to subvert our weaponry.
john cardillo
And not only that, we have a history of the military admitting that they disclose classified technologies when the next generation, or at least implying that they disclosed classified technology.
tim pool
And what was it, the SR-72 or something?
john cardillo
The SR-71.
71.
Well, first the U-2 spy plane, Lockheed Skunk Works, right?
Then the SR-71, then the F-117 Stealth, the B-2.
So they've always disclosed the classified technologies when the next generation is operational.
tim pool
Those literally existed for decades before we knew they existed.
john cardillo
Yeah, like we said earlier, I think the stealth fighter, the F-117, went operational in the late 70s.
We found out about it in the late 80s, early 90s.
I think we first found out about that when we hit Noriega in 89 with those.
And it was operational about 11, 12 years prior.
ian crossland
Yep.
Yeah, I tend to say like, what if, what kind of weapons do we have?
You know, I like to pose it as a question rather than be like, we definitely have these advanced weapons that I don't know anything about.
Like, I'm not gonna, you know.
john cardillo
Yeah.
ian crossland
But I will question.
tim pool
Triton 54 says, CO2 is an inert gas.
We literally use it to put out fires.
Yes.
john cardillo
Well, alright.
ian crossland
That's badass.
tim pool
Stevie Vivi says, don't forget Northrop Grumman publicly announced a plane that was not completed yet over a year ago and still has not flown yet.
How many questions?
The likelihood that the U.S.
military has weapons that we don't know about is, like, 100%.
I hope they do!
john cardillo
I don't want the bad guys, our enemies, to know all the stuff we have.
I hope we have, you know, multi-generational classified programs, either operational or in development.
tim pool
C.D.E.
says you guys should sell chocolate-covered coffee beans.
Tried some at a farmer's market and it was surprisingly good.
I don't even like coffee that much.
Oh, they're incredible.
Yes, we will work on that.
The next thing that we have coming for Casper, obviously, is the coffees.
The decaf, the new blends.
We'll be launching the Seamus potato blend.
I'm kidding, I don't know what it's gonna be.
seamus coughlin
It's gonna be some kind of blend.
tim pool
We're also going to be launching on thecastbro.com.
We're going to have a protein powder, I think, and an MCT.
And we're going to do a specialty MCT protein mix.
Harder to make, but we'll have that.
It'll be in small batch, because we have to actually formulate.
The protein stuff's easy.
You get protein, and then you put it in a thing.
You know what I mean?
Like, the MCT has to be, like, balanced.
ian crossland
What is absolutely delicious if you like coffee beans or chocolate-covered coffee beans is coffee bean and an almond.
One and one.
Just eat them at the same time.
Taste them together.
tim pool
Like a regular coffee bean?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Just straight coffee bean and an almond.
Because it kind of cuts the bitterness the almond does.
Man, what a flavor.
tim pool
We have grapes everywhere.
I mentioned this yesterday.
ian crossland
Yeah.
john cardillo
Yo.
tim pool
In a few months, it's going to be bonkers.
There's going to be tens of thousands of grapes just all over the place.
john cardillo
On the property you've got?
tim pool
Yeah.
john cardillo
That's awesome.
tim pool
Wild, wild, wild grapes, frost grapes.
ian crossland
I was watching about how to make mead.
I don't know if you can make mead out of...
tim pool
That's honey.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's honey and they were like raspberry meat or something.
tim pool
Yeah, the black raspberries are starting to ripen.
So this morning I saw a black raspberry.
I've been watching.
It's this big one.
It finally turned black.
And then I was like, yeah, but it's still too early.
None of the other ones are ripe.
And then when I came back a few hours later, it had fallen off.
And so I'm like, oh, bummer.
Lost it.
But there are a couple others, tried a few, they're amazing.
And then we have wine berries coming in a month.
It's really funny, for people who don't live out in the rural areas, when we have people come from cities, they're like, did you plant all of these things?
And I'm like, no, this is just literally what happens every year.
There's pawpaw, there's walnuts, there's apple trees, there's cherry trees, we got two black cherry trees.
We have honeysuckle, we have wheat just randomly growing everywhere.
john cardillo
You can eat it.
Yeah.
tim pool
It's just food literally comes out of the ground.
john cardillo
I'm such a city boy.
Look, I've got property in the Midwest.
I won't even say where because in one spot the sorrel mushrooms grow and they're ridiculously expensive.
unidentified
Oh wow.
john cardillo
And this property is on a river and it just happens to be the right condition and got a patch like this big and they just sell it abundant.
Get my way.
ian crossland
You grill them?
john cardillo
You could do pretty much anything with them.
They're awesome.
tim pool
Oh, wow.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
What do we got?
B Walsh says the air pollution from the wildfires is just a giant orange wave showing support for Trump.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
tim pool
It's his omen.
john cardillo
You knew that was coming.
seamus coughlin
I finally got the red one.
ian crossland
That's a sign up.
Equate orange with bad.
tim pool
Rush says, JSOC is doing a command-wide 18-minute workout and 1.8-mile run to honor the suffrage of 18 years of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
I can provide verification of this if you want.
Not mandatory, but quote, mandatory.
You ever see those bits where they're like, do you think we should end women's suffrage?
And they're like, yeah.
unidentified
And they're like, okay, basically, yes, suffrage.
tim pool
And then they make them sign a petition.
seamus coughlin
So much suffraging.
tim pool
Why don't Republicans just do that?
Why don't Republicans just, like, introduce a bill saying, like, it's time to end women's suffrage?
And then, like, the Democrats would be like, oh, that's so nice of them.
Women shouldn't suffer.
And it's like, yeah, yeah, suffrage is suffering.
seamus coughlin
Here, sign the paper.
john cardillo
We're giving you this one.
tim pool
Shane Knox says, here in Florida, we have controlled burns regularly.
No wildfires to speak of.
john cardillo
That's true.
We do them in the Everglades.
You see them from where I live.
Because I live right, almost on the ocean, a mile away.
But the sugar fields, the cane fields, they burn them every day.
Something's burning out there.
ian crossland
They just let it kind of turn to black ash and then re-mulch the fields and stuff?
john cardillo
Yep.
And they really never spread out of control.
It's true.
tim pool
Seve Rose says, critical thinking isn't helping in the fight against misinformation.
They're calling you stupid and it's not well-veiled.
That's right.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
PomPyroKJ says, many separate videos of helicopters dropping fire in multiple places in Canada.
We shouldn't dismiss questions that should be asked, especially when motives exist, just because it could be considered a conspiracy theory.
ian crossland
Yep, that's the video I was talking about when I saw the helicopter looked like it was shooting napalm down into the trees below.
Maybe they were trying to do a controlled burn and burn a perimeter around the fire.
john cardillo
Yeah, they burn a fire line.
They burn a fire line so that there's fire that they can control and they dig and then that fire stops.
Well, not that one, but the premise is to stop the spreading fire.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's crazy, we have wheat growing everywhere, and it just dies, and then turns brittle and dry, and you gotta get rid of it.
john cardillo
That's kindling, yeah, man.
That's gonna go up.
One spark.
tim pool
Yup.
It is kind of funny how wheat, like, grows, and then just dies.
I think that's kind of hilarious.
It lives for like a month or two.
john cardillo
Yeah.
tim pool
Poor wheat!
ian crossland
It just gets tired of all of it.
tim pool
But it's good food!
Yeah, it just gets tired of it all.
john cardillo
Wheat is so exhausted with life!
tim pool
What's the point?
john cardillo
What's the point?
Why are we still here?
unidentified
Just to suffer?
ian crossland
I don't want to be a... Every night I feel my arm.
john cardillo
I don't want to be a weedy.
I live in a box.
tim pool
Monk in training says, regarding the Project Veritas board power trip, Rabbi Yisrael Salanter once said, man has the potential to see great lengths, but a small coin blinds his vision.
Very smart.
seamus coughlin
Good line.
tim pool
James Wills says, Seamus, as one who is an expert at missing the boat, I beg you, do not let last night's sail out of the harbor.
seamus coughlin
What does that even mean?
Oh, okay.
tim pool
I'm not entirely sure what that means.
seamus coughlin
I think he's talking to Mary Pearl.
ian crossland
Oh my goodness.
It was really entertaining listening to you guys talk.
seamus coughlin
It was a fun conversation.
tim pool
And then they stayed up here for like two hours afterwards.
I left.
seamus coughlin
We did, after the after show, we kept talking.
Yeah, you just left when we left, man.
tim pool
You guys were sitting up here for like another two hours?
seamus coughlin
No, it was probably like an hour after the after show.
tim pool
Two hours?
serge du preez
About an hour.
I'll say it's an hour.
tim pool
So about two hours.
ian crossland
Like two out.
unidentified
Oh, well, yeah, you guys can say whatever you want.
tim pool
I'll just keep saying it until you agree.
Jacob Hawk says, if the whistleblower was a psyop, why wouldn't it be all over legacy media?
I paid attention because they didn't cover it.
Deep State runs deep.
Are we talking about the alien whistleblower or the Biden whistleblower?
serge du preez
I don't know anymore.
seamus coughlin
Do you remember that completely astroturfed Facebook whistleblower?
unidentified
Oh yeah!
seamus coughlin
Who we were expected to believe was real.
tim pool
That's right, she's gone.
seamus coughlin
She was so obviously put up to it.
Like, what needs to happen is the government needs more control here.
It was something ridiculous like that.
tim pool
Oh, here's a good one.
Jerome Morrow says, Tim, please shout out arrested preacher Damien Atkins' Give Send Go campaign.
serge du preez
Damien Atkins.
tim pool
Damien Atkins, huh?
I am pulling that up.
What is this?
Is this the current one?
Damian Atkins arrested after holding a sign with seven biblical words on it at a Pride event.
Yup.
Yeah, if you guys Google search Damian... Wait, this is Damon Atkins.
Is it Damon?
ian crossland
Probably Damon.
tim pool
Yeah, just Damon Atkins.
If you Google search that, you can find Damon.
D-A-M-O-N Atkins.
If you want to support... That's shocking, I mean, that they arrested that guy.
We can't stand for that.
This guy's got to win.
He's got to sue.
He's got to win as much as he can.
Standing on a public sidewalk with a sign.
And they arrested him.
john cardillo
Nah, that's nuts.
tim pool
I mean, he's not with a group.
I mean, there's some people there, but it's not like he's marching through the streets, obstructing anything, doing anything violent.
john cardillo
It's not arrestable.
seamus coughlin
I'm trying to find a picture of him.
DuckDuckGo isn't showing it to me.
tim pool
Just search for his Gibson Go.
seamus coughlin
Oh, of course.
tim pool
B2TheRock says, as a forester, the wildfire issue is far more nuanced than just climate change.
There have been many policy changes in politics that have led us here.
Completed my 20th PAC test today to fight fire again this season.
Oh, that's awesome.
serge du preez
Nice, man.
tim pool
Paul Tascalo says, Tim, any plans to head to Las Vegas for the World Series of Poker this year or next year?
If you love poker, playing a World Series of Poker event will make you feel like a football player in the Super Bowl.
Hit me up for poker coaching.
Uh, no!
We, we, perhaps we'll go to Vegas for like a big MMA fight if we organize something like that.
We'll see.
That's the only thing we really ever talked about.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, Tim taught me how to play poker, and I just destroyed him and everyone else at the poker table, and it was a beautiful experience.
tim pool
The opposite of what happened.
seamus coughlin
We went in there, I was like Rain Man, except for the part where he's good at things.
That's basically how I've been described my whole life.
tim pool
There were several hands where Seamus kept calling the bets and then would flip over
Ace King on a board where there's no Ace King and like someone's got a straight over.
seamus coughlin
That never happened?
No, you beat me once.
tim pool
No actually.
seamus coughlin
No, several times.
No, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
You actually did beat me once.
You're like I don't have anything and you flip over Ace King.
I'm like bro, there's no, like what are you betting on?
seamus coughlin
What are you talking about?
That didn't happen.
I had an ace and queen and I had a pair.
I had a queen and there was a queen on the board.
tim pool
No, that was top pair you had.
I said, that was a good bet.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, but you beat me on that.
That's what I'm saying.
I was like, how could I have predicted that my ace queen was going to be beat by whatever you had?
I was like, it could happen.
It literally could happen, but I had a good hand.
I had a good hand and betting was the right choice.
No, because I literally beat you in the hand before that, and then you got all your money back.
tim pool
Okay, Seamus, this is sad, okay, because you're literally explaining why you don't know what you're talking about.
seamus coughlin
That's also fair, yeah, I have no idea.
tim pool
So let me explain to everybody who might know what poker is.
So it's actually kind of a sad story for Seamus.
seamus coughlin
How can you say this?
tim pool
Because I had 7-3 suited and I was like, I don't know, I think I was in the cutoff.
And the flop comes with like Queen 5-6 and so I'm like, oh I have a gut shot, you know, I could get the straight.
And so Seamus does have a Queen with top kicker.
So that was a that was good, but I Raised you and then the turn comes the four four five six on the board and I raised you I've seen you raise when you have bad hands I've seen you raise when you know, you know, you're like, I'm just gonna keep raising because I can't give you poker lessons live on the show If I show you the bluff, I'm intentionally making you think, when I'm strong, I'm weak, when I'm weak, I'm strong.
So when I completed the straight, and then raised you, and you were like, well, I've got a Queens, I must be good, and you gave me all your money, it was really funny, because the guy on my left goes, 7-3, what are you doing in that hand?
I was like, bro, I was bluffing, and then I hit the 5-6 and got the gut shots.
ian crossland
Oh, those are the best.
You can take all of someone's stack in those situations where you bluffed.
seamus coughlin
Well to be also like we were sitting at the poker tables like I don't know if I want to play in Tim's like look I'll buy you in the hand and so he just got money back yeah I was like alright fine I was gonna have to give it back to you anyway but but simply when you're looking at the board and you think like I have a queen so I have a I have ace queen as a queen of the board I must be winning if someone else is putting money in they think they're winning too yeah I know for sure so if you just had I also know that I also know that you like to live on the edge so I was like this might be But that's not true.
tim pool
You just think it is because I don't show you my cards unless I want you to think that I'm bluffing.
seamus coughlin
Oh, okay.
tim pool
So the one time I beat you with a bluff, I flip over my cards, and then you go, damn, he's bluffing me all the time.
seamus coughlin
Well, now I know better.
tim pool
Then, you call me all the way down when I have a straight, and I take your money from you.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's fair.
tim pool
There you go, Seamus.
But it was fun.
He was hanging out.
Everyone was very happy he was there.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, true.
tim pool
They were very excited at the table.
seamus coughlin
Well, I mean, but to be fair, you pretty much ended up getting all of my money that you gave me.
I don't think those other people really got much of it.
tim pool
No, they didn't.
Clint was there too.
It was a lot of fun.
It's a fun game.
Where's Russell?
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim always bullying Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it wasn't fair.
tim pool
Seamus needs to learn how to play so he can be on Poker With the Boys.
seamus coughlin
That's true.
I literally, so the thing is like, when we go there, I'll play blackjack.
I like blackjack.
I've never really played poker before, and so to do this show, I'm really gonna have to play a lot.
ian crossland
Poker's really fun if you like to destroy people.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, so we play Fridays just for fun, for like, you know, like little 20 bucks or whatever, but the whole time we're joking and saying extremely crude and offensive things that are the funniest things you'll ever hear that we can't repeat.
seamus coughlin
Oh, well I can't do that then, because that's the part I don't like.
tim pool
If we tone down some of the hate speech by a notch or two, then it'll be totally-
unidentified
Turn the hate speech thing off!
seamus coughlin
Why can't we just do the hate speech thing without playing poker?
tim pool
I'd be great at that.
john cardillo
That would take all the fun out of it.
tim pool
But it's like, the jokes everyone are saying, they're just unafraid.
And so I'm like, we definitely need Seamus on this show.
So you've got to be able to play the game.
seamus coughlin
No, it's true.
Look, it was fun.
It was definitely fun.
I'll have to get some more practice in.
First time ever really playing, actually.
ian crossland
With poker, what's great is that I get so competitive that I want to debase the other person's will to live in the game.
Get them to question their own sanity.
I will make them think that they're a loser fully.
Just to win their money like a bully. I get very dark and dirty when I play that game
tim pool
That's why I'm with a blackjack dealer. I'm like I mean, and it's crazy too because some places allow really
bad table etiquette really where like it's brutal man I won't I won't play again like dude look these are low
stakes games one two Yeah, it's a couple hundred bucks to buy in you leave with
a couple hundred bucks You don't really lose a lot you might make a little bit
someone might lose a little bit No one's like it is not ten grand at the table. This is the
low stakes But there are some people who are just so nasty, and they know they can win if they trigger you, if they tilt you.
So they'll say stuff like, if you play right but still lose, they will target you and say things that don't cross the line to get them kicked out, but will piss you off, because they want you.
They'll talk about your family, they'll talk about your... Oh my gosh, World Series of Poker.
unidentified
That's wild.
tim pool
I don't know about an actual tournament stuff.
They might tell you to stop.
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john cardillo
No, I'm just fine.
If you want to learn more, just follow me on Twitter at John Cordillo.
I'm getting beat up pretty good these days by my old friends in Trump world.
Because I moved over to DeSantis, but it's been kind of amusing.
seamus coughlin
By the way, I want to mention that Dirty Dog Luke in chat says that Seamus is a bum that deliberately loses to Tim so he doesn't get kicked out.
It's just untrue.
I mean, on the one hand, that does help me save face at poker.
But my name is Seamus Coghlan.
I make cartoons.
We're releasing a cartoon tomorrow.
You guys are really going to enjoy it.
We had a lot of fun putting it together.
It took a lot to write.
Like, all Saturday I was sitting there just trying to figure out more jokes to add to get it ready for y'all.
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You'll get an extra cartoon each week and you will be supporting artists who are creating content that isn't woke, that's anti-woke, that's conservative.
Thank you.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland.
Follow me at Ian Crossland.
I'm the best that ever was.
It just continues to get better.
I'm going to work on my Trump impersonation and then you guys are going to be blown away when you hear how good it is.
The best impersonation.
tim pool
Jameis and I have a skit we're going to work on.
seamus coughlin
Oh yeah, I'm excited for this.
ian crossland
John, always great to see you, man.
john cardillo
Yeah, man.
It's always fun to be here with you guys.
Always a great time.
ian crossland
Super fun, dude.
Thanks for the data.
And I also have Mr. Dupre on my right.
serge du preez
Yep.
Surge.com here.
I will cut my beard because you guys seem to care about what I look like, even though I'm on the screen for like five seconds an episode.
But anyways, Surge.com on Twitter.
See you guys later.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
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