May 31, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| You Project Veritas is suing James O'Keefe and his new company | ||
| and it's a crazy story. | ||
| I think it's a death knell for Project Veritas as an organization going after James in this way, but we do have major breaking news related to this, uh, we have right now. | ||
| Uh, apparently a resignation letter from one of the executives at Veritas. | ||
| I don't know if this is related to the lawsuit against James, but I believe it likely is. | ||
| Because I have to say, this is, for Project Veritas to sue James, is basically them saying, we're done, we're over, and whatever good will, whatever good faith, you know, people may have had in us, after James left, is completely gone. | ||
| So we're gonna go over that, and of course we have James here to talk about that and more, and then, I think that'll be a heavy portion of this show, because we're gonna be getting into a lot of that story with James here, but we do have other stories about Bud Light being knocked off the top spot, It is no longer the number one beer in this country. | ||
| Modelo is, which in the United States is not owned by Anheuser-Busch. | ||
| Internationally it is, but here it's Constellation Brands. | ||
| They have all the rights to it. | ||
| And then we have, far left is actually getting arrested. | ||
| This is actually a very, very big story. | ||
| The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is arresting people for fundraising on behalf of these activists. | ||
| These, well I should say extremists, because they're attacking a government facility. | ||
| The left says this is going after legally protected speech and fundraising efforts for legal defense, but I think they're lying. | ||
| So we'll get into all that. | ||
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| Joining us tonight to talk about this, of course, is the man himself, Mr. James O'Keefe. | ||
| You might want to grab your microphone. | ||
| There it is. | ||
| Usually my microphones are tiny and hidden. | ||
| Yeah, yeah. | ||
| There's actually two. | ||
| One's in the way. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Sir, everybody knows who you are, but how are you? | ||
| I'm doing great. | ||
| A lot has happened since I last saw you guys. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| OMG, no more Veritas. | ||
| OMG. | ||
| So give us a quick introduction to where you are now. | ||
| Well, I started a company called OMG. | ||
| I got the t-shirt. | ||
| I brought some swag for you, too. | ||
| Oh, very nice. | ||
| We'll put it on the wall. | ||
| OMG, we break stories that make you go, oh my gosh! | ||
| Righteous indignation. | ||
| It's a private company, subscription-based news organization. | ||
| I started March 15th, the Ides of March. | ||
| It's been very successful. | ||
| And it's a private company. | ||
| I 100% own it. | ||
| And I'm very excited about this vision, which is to decentralize journalism, because people no longer trust institutions. | ||
| So we got to equip thousands of people. | ||
| I've been talking about doing this for many years, Tim. | ||
| I've talked about it with you. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| But I think the time is now. | ||
| I think I'm ready to go do it. | ||
| So that's what we're doing. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| And of course, with the breaking news, it's good to have you here. | ||
| We can talk about what's going on and get to the bottom of it. | ||
| So thanks for hanging out. | ||
| Absolutely. We got Seamus Coughlin of Freedom Tunes. My name's Seamus. I make cartoons. I also make podcasts | ||
| So I have a podcast called Shamer that airs on Rumble on Tuesdays and Thursdays | ||
| I also have the cartoons Tim mentioned. Those are over at Freedom Tunes. We're gonna be releasing a funny video | ||
| tomorrow We were gonna be releasing a debunkers video today, but | ||
| unfortunately there were some complications So we're gonna be releasing that one in this next week | ||
| But I think you guys are really gonna enjoy it and I think you're gonna like tomorrow's cartoon as well | ||
| Everyone Ian Crosland here happy to be here James. Good to see you my man | ||
| Great to see you. Been what a year and a half or something like that. Well, we'll talk more | ||
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I want to get down to down to the bottom of this And I'm sirs.com. It's a pleasure to meet you James and I'm | |
| excited for tonight's episode. So let's get started guys We actually have a couple big stories related to this, but I think we'll just start before the breaking story we have. | ||
| It's a resignation of an executive. | ||
| I think we'll get into that, but we need to give context first. | ||
| So the first segment we have from TimCast.com. | ||
| James O'Keefe and media group sued by Project Veritas Action and Action Committee. | ||
| Project Veritas founder allegedly ran amok, put his own interests ahead of the outlet. | ||
| Former CEO and founder of Project Veritas, James O'Keefe, has been sued by his former outlet. | ||
| O'Keefe Media Group and two former employees of Project Veritas, R.C. | ||
| Maxwell and Anthony Iatropoulos, am I pronouncing that right? | ||
| Iatropoulos? | ||
| I believe so, yeah. | ||
| Are also included in the lawsuit for allegedly breaching their contracts for the benefit of OMG. | ||
| They say, O'Keefe allegedly ran amok and put his own interests out of Veritas, which asserted, the outlet's founder failed in his duties and caused serious and significant damage, according to the lawsuit, which includes Project Veritas Action Group as a plaintiff. | ||
| The lawsuit notes, O'Keefe was suspended but not removed as a member from his former role in Project Veritas as CEO and president of Project Veritas Action Fund on February 6th. | ||
| So I want to just simplify this. | ||
| They're saying that, James, you, in the lawsuit, you have no right to start a company, you have no right to do the work you've done, and this was the shocking thing to me, the work that you have historically done before Veritas, during Veritas, and now after, they say, is proprietary to Project Veritas. | ||
| Mm-hmm. | ||
| So what's going on in your words? | ||
| How's life? | ||
| How's life? | ||
| That's a macro question. | ||
| May I take a couple minutes to just say a few things? | ||
| Oh yeah, say whatever you want. | ||
| Grab that microphone. | ||
| Monologue it maybe. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Let me just tell you a story. | ||
| How about that? | ||
| And I'll end with the answer to your question. | ||
| I've been doing this for About 15 years. | ||
| I started in college so I guess that's probably more like 20 years but in a major way 15 years. | ||
| Along the way I have been, you know, there's been a lot of arrows sent my way and at my team because when you're the tip of the spear you just get a lot of flack, right? | ||
| I think we all know that and then maybe these days it's directly proportional to the amount of flack you get but I mean I have been, way back when I received a letter from Planned Parenthood threatening to jail me for working with Lila in California because of the statute 632 of the penal code. | ||
| I did the acorn story with Andrew Breitbart and Hannah Giles. | ||
| They sued me for recording in Maryland. | ||
| I had to raise money to pay lawyers. | ||
| I was arrested by the FBI in January of 2010, falsely accused. | ||
| They said I entered under false pretense even though I showed my ID. | ||
| I spent three years on federal probation and it is while I was on federal probation that I founded Project Veritas in a garage with no money, credit card debt, negative equity. | ||
| It was against all odds. | ||
| And while on federal probation starting that company, I was sent criminal grand jury subpoenas by the state of New Hampshire in 2011-2012 for exposés in New Hampshire. | ||
| I was sued countless times for defamation, including one by Shirley Teeter. | ||
| I won that in federal district court at jury verdict and nobody reported on it. | ||
| I mean, I could go on and on with the amount of flack and arrows that my colleagues and I have taken. | ||
| There was one story where I was chased down the highway by a teacher's union official in New Jersey. | ||
| Chased down the highway! | ||
| So now they run away from me, but back then they ran, they followed me on Interstate 80 in New Jersey. | ||
| Alyssa Ploschnik was her name. | ||
| And all the defamation that almost makes you want to just say, I can't, I can't do this anymore. | ||
| Particularly if you're sane and rational. | ||
| And I could go on, you know? | ||
| And I don't say these things to come across like I'm a victim. | ||
| That's not what I'm getting at. | ||
| I love what I do. | ||
| I'm passionate about it. | ||
| I say it because of the human aspects of it. | ||
| It's different when you're taking on all these arrows. | ||
| It hits differently when the arrows come from the people that are ostensibly supposed to be your allies. | ||
| I've taken a lot of arrows. | ||
| I never thought I'd be taking them in the back. | ||
| It just feels different. | ||
| There's a great article by Dr. Malone, which I want to talk about with you. | ||
| We'll talk about that later. | ||
| But I want to say that I agree with you, Tim, that I feel untethered. | ||
| I think you said this back in, I think it was March or April. | ||
| I feel free. | ||
| You know, after Jobs was fired from Apple, he said, I entered one of the most creative periods of my life. | ||
| I didn't have the weights that, you know, buried me down. | ||
| In many ways, this is a blessing. | ||
| So I feel liberated. | ||
| I'm very excited about what I'm doing. | ||
| I've got 1,100 people on a CRM, citizen journals around the country. | ||
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Wow. | |
| And I'm dispatching them. | ||
| That's something that I wasn't doing previously. | ||
| So I'm very inspired. | ||
| I'm very hopeful. | ||
| And I've decided to kind of take the high road here. | ||
| I think I need to do that for myself. | ||
| I'm still going through this, whatever this is, and I'm learning about human nature. | ||
| And of all the things I've learned, I probably learned mostly about like board maintenance. | ||
| I didn't really, you know, most people don't realize 501C3s are run by boards. | ||
| They're not owned by anybody. | ||
| And that creates its own issues. | ||
| And I never really paid attention To that part of it. | ||
| I ran Project Veritas like I was the owner. | ||
| Even though I wasn't, I took responsibility for everything. | ||
| So it's difficult to watch your own creation and lifeblood attack you. | ||
| And I've moved on because that's what I've been asked to do. | ||
| So we're in a very strange situation in space and time right now, and there's a lot to unpack. | ||
| But that's, in a nutshell, where we are. | ||
| So what's up with this, when did you learn of the lawsuit? | ||
| I mean, this is dropped today, right? | ||
| I learned because Will Sumner of the Daily Beast called my phone. | ||
| And whenever Will Sumner from the Daily Beast calls you, it's usually not, hey- Gave him your number? | ||
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Hey- Everyone's got my phone number. | |
| Yeah, that's when I learned of it. | ||
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Oh, wow, wow. | |
| So, well, do you, do you want to, do you have, I don't know if you can actually say anything. | ||
| I mean, the obvious thing is when you're being sued, you just don't talk about it because you've got to say it in court. | ||
| Well, that's, the process is the punishment. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So I was, I was raided by the FBI in September, November 2021. | ||
| And the process is the punishment because, and I talked about it. | ||
| And, but, but that's the thing. | ||
| The lawyers say, don't talk about it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| And I have to make executive decisions about what I can and should say, and that's what this whole thing is designed to do. | ||
| It's designed to shut me down and silence me. | ||
| This is not the first time this has been through this. | ||
| So I went through the lawsuit a little bit, and I have it here. | ||
| I have it pulled up, actually. | ||
| Do you want me to bring this up? | ||
| I don't know how to pull it off. | ||
| for relief. This is what Project Veritas is asking of the court. It says, declare O'Keefe | ||
| in breach of his employment agreement in violation of his fiduciary duties and in violation of | ||
| his duty of loyalty. Declare Iatropolis in breach of... | ||
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Do you want me to bring this up? | |
| What's that? | ||
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Do you want me to bring this up? | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Okay, cool. | ||
| Declare Iatropolis in breach of the Iatropolis agreement. | ||
| Declare Maxwell in breach of the Maxwell Agreement. | ||
| Declare OMG to have tortiously interfered with the Employment Agreement, the Iatropoulos Agreement, the Maxwell Agreement. | ||
| Declare O'Keefe to have misappropriated plaintiff's trade secrets. | ||
| That's big right there. | ||
| Declare O'Keefe liable to identify plaintiff for the cost of defense and or liabilities arising from actions taken by him or his heirs or omissions. | ||
| Issue a preliminary and permanent injunction enjoining O'Keefe and OMG From soliciting or contacting plaintiff's donors, employees, or contractors. | ||
| Disparaging plaintiffs. | ||
| Obtaining, using, or disclosing plaintiff's confidential information. | ||
| And keeping and failing to return plaintiff's property. | ||
| Now some of these things, look I understand like you gotta give the property back if you have any, whatever that may be about. | ||
| But there's some things here that are, the trade secrets, what you need to understand in this is, you can respond if you can or want to. | ||
| The way I see it, You started, James, you started Project Veritas. | ||
| You brought trade secrets. | ||
| They then, it seems like an institutional capture, with one of these guys on the board apparently having pronouns in his bio or something, all of a sudden they're telling you, you're locked up, you're suspended, stop doing your work, so you go off and do your own thing, and then they say, nope, we own those, everything that you built, we own, every technique, all the methodology, those are ours and you can never use them again. | ||
| That effectively says the methods of James O'Keefe can never be used by James O'Keefe again. | ||
| The money that was raised and that I raised, taking lots of black cars around to raise it, I don't know if you get the inside joke there, but they say there's black cars are inappropriate, was raised to expose corruption and now is being used in an effort to stifle My efforts to expose corruption! | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| I want to add to this. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| The black cars thing. | ||
| Black cars. | ||
| They say that you drive around in these SUVs or whatever that are very expensive. | ||
| I'll tell you guys a story. | ||
| We did an event in New York and we had very serious security threats. | ||
| We had security running around the building looking for individuals who we believe were | ||
| involved in very serious threats and swatting and things like that. | ||
| So when the event wraps, and they're like, here's your exit, Mr. Poole, I'm like, yo, there's like a hundred people out there, and we're under, like, tight security conditions. | ||
| So I need to, like, get out. | ||
| James, like, James says, I have a vehicle for this reason. | ||
| Come with me. | ||
| And then James brings me into an SUV. | ||
| There's a reason why you have vehicles like this. | ||
| To use that against you when you are the target of threats, death threats, like ridiculous law enforcement raids? | ||
| I mean, who's funding this? | ||
| What money are they using to pay for this? | ||
| Is it 501c3 money? | ||
| I mean- Donors who gave to Veritas are paying them to sue you? | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean, bear with me for a minute. | ||
| It's going to take about 90 seconds. | ||
| I want to read something to you. | ||
| You know Dr. Malone? | ||
| The guy who did the stories about COVID and- Very smart. | ||
| Fantastic. | ||
| Very smart guy. | ||
| Robert Malone. | ||
| I've become pretty close to him recently. | ||
| I was having dinner with him, but he wrote this a few months ago. | ||
| I just want you to listen. | ||
| Just bear with me for two minutes. | ||
| Um, remember that story about Pfizer with the cage fight? | ||
| This happened a few days after that. | ||
| These are Malone's words, and I just want to read them before your audience, because this is profound. | ||
| He wrote this on like a substack or something. | ||
| Without knowing the details of all this, This episode has all the earmarks of a terrible institutional problem in nonprofits that we've seen many times before. | ||
| All it takes is a remarkable success, big infusion of money, a weak, jealous, confused board using disgruntled employees as shields. | ||
| The board develops a backwards-looking focus. | ||
| Taking apart the success, why did management take those risks? | ||
| Why did the head of the organization not consult with us? | ||
| Why didn't the head of the organization follow industry-established practices? | ||
| How come the organization's president did not do something different than what he did to establish long-term success? | ||
| Which is a word that they use, long-term success. | ||
| I remember this one time I raised a million dollars and they said, well, you could have raised 10 million if you did something differently. | ||
| I was like, what? | ||
| Why did they do it? | ||
| Above all, why is this guy getting all the attention? | ||
| Other insiders in the company start consulting with the board, and the plot is hatched. | ||
| All it takes is an investigation. | ||
| Some claimed guy at the top is making everyone work too hard, and then people get burned out. | ||
| You can fill in the blanks with complaints, and there's always something somewhere. | ||
| The scheme usually involves claims of financial nonsense, such as office parties or helicopter rides. | ||
| Once the decision is made to oust the guy, he really has no chance. | ||
| All that remains is the need to find a pretext. | ||
| Next thing you know, the unthinkable happens. | ||
| The hardest working, innovative, and most effective person is out. | ||
| The board keeps the money. | ||
| The disgruntled staff gets their pound of flesh and everyone who stabbed the guy in the back gets a raise and life goes on. | ||
| I've seen this many times before at nonprofits that kill the goose that lays the golden egg. | ||
| The achievements gradually die, the organization maintains some name recognition, and they become a letterhead. | ||
| This is the triumph of bureaucracy over achievement. | ||
| I had a founder tell me, That it's actually a fight against excellence itself. | ||
| That was, it took me a while to understand what he meant by that. | ||
| It's a tragedy, but unfortunately very common, particularly at hospitals and churches. | ||
| And part of the problem traces to the structure of nonprofits. | ||
| They're not owned by anybody. | ||
| So there's a committee whose job is to hire and fire the CEO, but they're not meant to manage the company. | ||
| They're not meant to manage the company. | ||
| They're supposed to put a leader in charge because you can't lead by committee. | ||
| That's Stalin-esque. | ||
| The board hires the president, the president hires and fires the staff. | ||
| The board is unpaid, which usually means they have no reason to be involved in the operations in the first place, but all the while they have a sense that they should be controlling things even though they really understand what's going on. | ||
| So, that was Malone. | ||
| Uh, who's... Spot on. | ||
| Spot on. | ||
| The looking backwards thing's brilliant. | ||
| They attacked all the things that you were doing without pointing out Veritas is extremely successful because of the things you have done and continue to do. | ||
| They stop it in this single moment, out of the entire context of the life of Veritas, and say, look at these things he just did, instead of saying, look at the similar things he's been doing that have led to our success. | ||
| So they can make it seem like Veritas was always where it was, and only now are these things causing problems. | ||
| Well, the moment of greatest achievement often carries the greatest risk. | ||
| And it's a cliche, right? | ||
| You know, you get the flack if you're over the target. | ||
| But what I've realized, I was just doing a Twitter spaces downstairs, is there's a lot of evil in the world. | ||
| I think the evil is getting more evil, but there's also a lot of good. | ||
| And I saw a lot of, I mean, it's a blessing because I was overtaken by a sense of gratitude for all the really good people that were around me. | ||
| And I was overtaken with a sense of gratitude to see who people really are. | ||
| And you need to be very strong if you're going to do this. | ||
| Again, another cliche. | ||
| We think we know what that means. | ||
| You don't know what that means. | ||
| Until you've been raided, until you've been targeted and attacked and sued and defamed. | ||
| And the more effective you are at your mission, the more those people are going to do that to the people around you. | ||
| So you better surround yourself with really strong humans who can withstand blistering attacks. | ||
| Whether they're true or not doesn't matter. | ||
| This is kind of an allegory for, I think, what we're going through in the country right now. | ||
| I think this is sort of where we are. | ||
| It feels like Veritas was captured. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And it seems like the purpose of this suit and everything they've done has been to stop and to silence you. | ||
| Well, I've moved on. | ||
| I've started a new deal. | ||
| We just posted the RFK podcast, which is really great. | ||
| I don't know if you've seen that, just posted today. | ||
| We talk about fear, his uncle JFK. | ||
| I've got reporters as I speak undercover everywhere. | ||
| I'm trying to do my job. | ||
| I'm focused on the future, and the forward-looking glass of a car is bigger than your rear-view mirror. | ||
| But this is why it seems, to me, ideological. | ||
| Because you've moved on. | ||
| And look, look, look. | ||
| After you leave Veritas, everybody says James O'Keefe is Veritas. | ||
| People are very critical of Project Veritas. | ||
| Donors came out in your defense. | ||
| And Veritas, their leadership, they could have come out and said, fine. | ||
| Look, guys, we want to keep doing good work. | ||
| We wish James the best. | ||
| You know, you may not be happy with how things went, but we're gonna try and make two good things out of this instead of just a fight. | ||
| The fact that they've gone after you, this says to me it is more about ideology, because if Veritas was truly trying to do good work, they would realize that this lawsuit is basically a stake in the heart of Veritas. | ||
| What little was left that people believed in with Project Veritas is now completely gone, because they're attacking you. | ||
| Yeah, exactly. | ||
| I mean, if their issues with what you were doing were truly the things that they claimed they were when they ousted you, they should have no problem with you going and doing your own thing. | ||
| I got the feeling that it was personal. | ||
| Like, I wasn't around you when you were going through it, but, like, I imagine you were high stress, and you were just, like, I don't know if you were lashing out at people, or, like, just, like, making demands, and then they were like, we've had enough of him, we can't take him anymore. | ||
| And then they just... But, like, are you still on contract with Veritas? | ||
| No, I was fired on February 10th. | ||
| So, they say they never fired you. | ||
| I say they did, and our lawyers say they did, February 10th. | ||
| Because if you're still on contract, then there are clauses usually in bylaws for 501c3s where the board has to agree that you can make private profit off of anything related to the foundation. | ||
| But if you're not on contract with them, that's another story, I think. | ||
| I'm not a lawyer, but that's what I would surmise. | ||
| Well, we've got breaking news, ladies and gentlemen, in relation to this. | ||
| So we received a message from April Moss. | ||
| She is a CBS Detroit whistleblower, a meteorologist, whose story became public in June of 2021. | ||
| She says that she's obtained an exclusive copy of a resignation letter from Dan Strack of Project Veritas, and that she stands by James O'Keefe, currently working on the story. | ||
| And there is some personal information, so I'm not going to show the email, but I do have it. | ||
| It says, Today I sent the following email to the Board of Directors and Leadership. | ||
| Project Veritas Board of Directors, please take this email as notification of my resignation as Executive Director of Project Veritas and Project Veritas Action. | ||
| I am honored to have worked alongside some of the most dedicated and driven people I've ever met. | ||
| I promise I gave it my all. | ||
| I want you to know how much the past 15 months have meant to me to work with and for you all has been incredible. | ||
| The past four months have been the biggest challenge I suspect most of us have ever faced, at least in our professional careers. | ||
| It is important to me that you know I tried my best. | ||
| I know you did as well. | ||
| I am sorry if I let you down. | ||
| Why now? | ||
| It's complicated. | ||
| The truth is that I no longer know how to help. | ||
| I will never forget any of you. | ||
| You are amazing. | ||
| The world needs you. | ||
| Take care of each other. | ||
| If I can ever be helpful to you at all, please reach out. | ||
| I hope our paths cross again." | ||
| And that's Dan Streck. | ||
| So you know him, obviously. | ||
| Yes, he worked for Goldman Sachs and he was the executive director that I hired in 2022. | ||
| 2022. | ||
| So he's so, uh, I don't know. | ||
| Do you know anything about it? | ||
| He's resigning. | ||
| I mean, this is related to the lawsuit. | ||
| That's news to me. | ||
| You tell me what you think. | ||
| I don't know if this uh... So we're receiving it from another reporter and whistleblower. | ||
| Well April was a whistleblower for CBS News. | ||
| She was a whistleblower like two years ago. | ||
| She was a meteorologist and she went live on the air and said she's going to expose her own network. | ||
| So she's gone on to do other reporting. | ||
| We've not received confirmation from Project Veritas that he has resigned. | ||
| So other than that, I don't know if you can say it's confirmed or whether or not we know for sure that he's actually resigned, but it seems plausible at the very least. | ||
| I try to be a bit more careful on these things. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'd rather have a statement from Project Veritas confirming, yes, he did resign. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I'd have to see what April... Is there a picture or something? | ||
| There's a screenshot of the resignation email. | ||
| Looks like from someone's very dirty laptop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then she just says she has obtained an exclusive copy of resignation letter from Dan Strick. | ||
| Well, if that's true, then Dan's resigned. | ||
| I mean, the number two guy at Peavey's is out. | ||
| I don't know when, but... I don't know when either. | ||
| It's interesting timing. | ||
| It's interesting timing. | ||
| I think it may be related to the lawsuit. | ||
| I mean, the role of a board in a nonprofit is to hire and fire the CEO, which is what a board should do. | ||
| What a board should not do is run the company. | ||
| You can't lead by committee. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| So that's very interesting timing, and there's obviously more to the story there. | ||
| I think his resignation is probably related to the lawsuit, and I have to imagine it. | ||
| Look, if you work for Veritas, especially as Veritas is suing James O'Keefe, I mean, your career is going to get nuked. | ||
| Where are you gonna go? | ||
| Everyone in the media has lied about you and called you propaganda, fake news, and everything, so you're not going to CNN. | ||
| Now, Veritas is attacking its founder, who is beloved by the community, so you're basically saying if you keep working there... Well, there needs to be a leader. | ||
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There needs to be a person. | |
| There needs to be a leader. | ||
| Like people, there needs to be a person. | ||
| Like my understanding of companies is that, again, if there's a board, they hire and fire the guy at the top. | ||
| So the question is, who's in charge? | ||
| A board doesn't run a company. | ||
| A board appoints the person that runs the company. | ||
| There's nobody running it now. | ||
| But there has to be. | ||
| Are we taking issue with the reality that there needs to be someone at the top? | ||
| Is that the issue? | ||
| Because whoever it is, they're going to be faced with the same dilemma that I had. | ||
| I have to raise a lot of money. | ||
| Let me go back to this. | ||
| I have to pay lawyers to defend myself with this deal. | ||
| I'm not a wealthy man. | ||
| I was raising $20-25 million a year. | ||
| but I was raising 20, 25 million a year. | ||
| That's a hundred thousand a day. | ||
| A hundred, that's, if you're working a 14 hour day, you know, that's thousands of thousands of dollars an hour. | ||
| So if I have to get from point A to point B, yeah, I'm gonna get in an SUV because I'm on the phone with sources while with my other phone on the phone with a donor while with my toe on the phone with an employee while typing on my laptop because that's what I do. | ||
| And you need someone who's gonna walk through walls. | ||
| And by the way, what is true? | ||
| And this is a mistake, I will admit a fault of mine. | ||
| On Monday morning, I don't ask how your weekend was. | ||
| I don't say, how was your Thanksgiving? | ||
| I probably did that twice. | ||
| Should a good leader ask you about that? | ||
| Probably. | ||
| But I'm so busy trying to raise money for all these fricking lawyers to defend myself from all these lawsuits because everyone wants me to fight back and stand on principle and stand on truth. | ||
| And not bend over and take it and settle. | ||
| So there's a price to pay to not bending over. | ||
| Do you think it was a mistake starting Veritas as a non-profit? | ||
| I don't regret anything in my life because everything that I have been through has taught me so much. | ||
| In many ways, this is not a new story. | ||
| There's nothing new under the sun. | ||
| But in many ways, this is a new story. | ||
| No one's ever gotten this far in the video game. | ||
| I mean, I'm happy that I went through what I went through. | ||
| Um, because I had at the time, you know, I had to go through that. | ||
| It was like, I was in a garage in a 300 square foot, like halfway house looking piece of shit garage | ||
| with negative equity. | ||
| And I'm like, well, I gotta make the video. | ||
| But in order to make the video, I gotta buy a microphone. | ||
| In order to buy the microphone, I gotta go get money. | ||
| In order to get money, I gotta raise money. | ||
| Okay, I put the video out. | ||
| Okay, now I'm being threatened with lawsuits. | ||
| I gotta raise the money to pay lawyers. | ||
| So what vehicle do I need to get to get the money to raise? | ||
| Okay, I get into 5-1-C-3. | ||
| Okay, to get a 5-1-C-3, I need a board. | ||
| It was like, you know, it was a means to an end. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, the way I see it now is, it's remarkable to see that over the span of, what, 13 years, 12 and a half, 13 years, you build up to the point of $25 million a year. | ||
| $7 million on lawyers. | ||
| $7 million on lawyers. | ||
| On average, every year. | ||
| That's why everyone loves them. | ||
| Last year, it was in the last few years, four and a half, five, seven, seven million. | ||
| We file public tax returns. | ||
| Those are all public information at 990 tax return. | ||
| Seven million! | ||
| I had lawyers making over a million a year, which is double my salary. | ||
| You can look that up. | ||
| Apparently some lawyers are still making some money off of Project Veritas. | ||
| And I got to raise money to defend myself here. | ||
| The process is the punishment. | ||
| How are you going to raise half a million bucks? | ||
| People say, how do you do that? | ||
| If you go to my telegram page, there's a link. | ||
| There's a C4 that we have. | ||
| I'm not on the board. | ||
| I'll tweet it. | ||
| You can donate. | ||
| But Tim, I could write 30 war stories. | ||
| I was in court last September in DC. | ||
| Federal court, civil trial. | ||
| They sued me for breach of fiduciary duty. | ||
| I was in a sensory deprivation chamber, aka a federal courtroom, for like a week and a half in Washington, D.C., which is its own hellhole, because when you're in D.C. | ||
| for 24 hours, it's like a spiritual attack against you. | ||
| And there's a jury, and there's all these lawyers, and I'm on the witness stand And I could have probably settled the lawsuit, I don't know, for something, a couple hundred grand, maybe a hundred grand, but I chose to do what I thought was the right thing and not settle it and go to the Supreme Court if I had to. | ||
| Millions. | ||
| Over a million dollars spent. | ||
| It was the right thing to do. | ||
| But to do that, you have to walk through walls. | ||
| You have to do things that people don't want to do. | ||
| Like Michael Jordan said, you know, leadership has a price. | ||
| And victory has a price. | ||
| Are we willing to pay it? | ||
| News like what you do is so fleeting. | ||
| I mean, I think you do, but for the audience, the rhetorical you. | ||
| I've told this story before, because I've encountered this, literally talking to heads of media. | ||
| You get a guy who comes into, you get a journalist, or a media guy, and he goes to the investors and says, I want to do this investigative reporting and expose corporate and governmental malfeasance. | ||
| I need investment capital to get started. | ||
| And the venture capitalists and the business guys go, awesome, fantastic, this sounds really, really good. | ||
| So, what's our return? | ||
| And you say, well, you know, this kind of news does really, really well. | ||
| Millions of views, 10 million views, 20 million views, it's amazing. | ||
| And we can sign up people to be members, support our work. | ||
| So, you know, we could be looking at a very lucrative enterprise and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, but timeline wise, when are you going to get the story? | ||
| When's the first big scoop? | ||
| Right. | ||
| And you say, well, I don't know. | ||
| We have to do the investigation. | ||
| And they say, how much does that cost? | ||
| That's going to cost $300,000 for the preliminary investigation. | ||
| And they say, and how much do I get back from that? | ||
| Well, we don't know. | ||
| We're investigating a story. | ||
| We have no guarantee the story pans out the way we think it's going to. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And they say, I am not going to invest millions of dollars or even $300,000 unless you tell me when I get my money back. | ||
| Then someone else walks in the room and says, don't listen to that guy. | ||
| I'm going to launch a news company, and I'm going to get you a two million dollar return in three years. | ||
| And they go, oh wow, how are you going to do it? | ||
| We're going to publish clickbait garbage nonsense and complain about people's politics. | ||
| Because it's cheap. | ||
| And they go, bang! | ||
| Because you work for Vice, right? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Shane Smith. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| It's funny, Shane Smith, my executive assistant's name is Shane Smith with a Y, not an N-E. | ||
| And Vice's unique value proposition was, we go there. | ||
| I think I saw a billboard in New York Times, Times Square, we go there. | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| So their unique value proposition was they actually go on the location they're reporting on. | ||
| And then around 2014-15 is when things started to shift and they said, well, you know, and then they started relying, presumably, this is my opinion, more on Ridiculous clickbait articles. | ||
| So this is a really important point. | ||
| Investigative reporting is like outrageously expensive, like beyond what people can fathom. | ||
| Because even sending people like flights, hotels, you know, it costs a lot more nowadays. | ||
| Lawsuits. | ||
| I mean, we're talking, you're right, hundreds of thousands of dollars to do one story. | ||
| So if you're a businessman, if you're a venture capitalist and you want to make a profit on this, good luck. | ||
| Good luck to you. | ||
| You know what our budget was for a three-day shoot? | ||
| We got a story, boom, breaking. | ||
| There's civil unrest happening in this country. | ||
| The president may get ousted. | ||
| We're sending a crew down. | ||
| Fifty grand. | ||
| It's a bigger story. | ||
| It's going to take a week or two weekends. | ||
| A hundred, two hundred grand. | ||
| And that was cheap. | ||
| You've got salaries, camera equipment, travel. | ||
| You need, you got to have insurance on a $30,000 camera. | ||
| Not to mention lawsuits. | ||
| Legal. | ||
| You got people who are going to be detained entering the country. | ||
| You got people who are going to be pulled out by cops because they're covering this stuff. | ||
| You've got four people have to go there. | ||
| You've got security requirements. | ||
| You've got security briefings. | ||
| You've got health. | ||
| If you're going to Egypt, you got to go in for all these different vaccines. | ||
| If you're a businessman, and your purpose is... I wrote a book about this called American Mockraker. | ||
| In the 50s, 60s, and 70s, there was integrity. | ||
| There were bosses with what I call balls. | ||
| Maybe you prefer huevos, or testicular fortitude, whatever. | ||
| Huevos, eggs, balls. | ||
| Bosses with balls, okay? | ||
| I'm just gonna say balls. | ||
| People in the comments will be like, well, I don't have balls. | ||
| I'm a woman. | ||
| Okay, whatever. | ||
| What's a woman? | ||
| 2023. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| People had balls. | ||
| They would say, you know what, I'm, you know, the cigar and the fedora. | ||
| I'm going to spend that money because it's the right thing to do. | ||
| It's the right thing to do. | ||
| Doing the right thing is expensive. | ||
| It comes at a cost. | ||
| But it comes at a human cost. | ||
| But it was also, to a certain degree, vanity. | ||
| To a certain degree. | ||
| Because you had people running these institutions saying, we're going to be the best news organization that's ever been. | ||
| And that means going there. | ||
| That means doing the work. | ||
| But my philosophy was always since day one, day one, my core value, my tenet was, whatever it does cost, I will get that money to do that thing. | ||
| So that was my raison d'etre, was I'm gonna go do this project, or I'm gonna go get the story. | ||
| If it costs me 1.4 million to get it, I'll find a way to get the money so that I can do the thing. | ||
| Now, it's let's get the money. | ||
| Forget the thing, let's focus on the pursuit of that thing over there. | ||
| Journalism is anathema to the commercial imperative. | ||
| Yes, and you know what I think happens with, let's just say, insert hypothetical media nonprofit? | ||
| After a certain amount of years, people get involved, and they start saying, hey, we're making $25 million a year. | ||
| That story's a little bit risky. | ||
| I kind of like the way things are going. | ||
| That's big money. | ||
| Now, I never thought of it that way, because I work my... I work so hard, I mean, I... | ||
| I worked so hard to raise that, and I never celebrate getting a check. | ||
| I only celebrate getting the story. | ||
| And if someone on my team says, you got a check for a hundred grand, I said, no. | ||
| We celebrate when we get the stuff. | ||
| When we publish the story, that's when we celebrate. | ||
| But yeah, I mean, I guess you could think about it and you look at the numbers and go, wow, that's some big money. | ||
| Well, I can do that. | ||
| I can do that. | ||
| Hell with that guy. | ||
| He doesn't know anything. | ||
| He doesn't work in private equity. | ||
| He doesn't know management. | ||
| He didn't get a Harvard MBA. | ||
| I'm going to go in there and do that. | ||
| I bet. | ||
| It was very painful, but it was necessary for me to get to the next evolution of what I'm about to do. | ||
| I would be willing to bet that The near absolute majority of people who have given to Project Veritas, if they heard a story about James O'Keefe boarding a private jet to fly down for a vacation in Miami Beach with a nice suit and sunglasses, they'd be laughing and clapping, being like, this is exactly what the man deserves it. | ||
| This is success. | ||
| This is victory. | ||
| If someone like James O'Keefe can live in style with the work that he does, we're on the right track. | ||
| So the idea that you simply driving in a car was somehow offensive or detrimental to the organization is laughable to me. | ||
| What I was saying before is... | ||
| Look, if you launched a private company from the get-go, and you brought in members, and you ran it as a membership, you know, like you're doing now with OMG, you'd post a picture of yourself, top G, getting on a private jet with a Bugatti or whatever, and people would be going like, yes! | ||
| Like, not only are we winning, but James is flaunting his success to show all of the corruption and to inspire young people that there's a path of success to luxury. | ||
| Well, Elon Musk says the private Transportation is the one thing that can maximize your time because you can have two meetings or three meetings in a day. | ||
| Like there was one time I woke up in New York. | ||
| I had a meeting. | ||
| I went to Wisconsin. | ||
| I had a meeting. | ||
| I had Arizona. | ||
| I had three meetings in one day. | ||
| And you're running a company. | ||
| You're raising, spending $100,000 a day. | ||
| Your time, this is basic economics. | ||
| It's so valuable that it becomes imperative for you to get from this point to this point. | ||
| Obviously, everyone knows that. | ||
| But Tim, we did a story on OMG, speaking of my new company, we did a story on the FEC. | ||
| We knocked on doors. | ||
| And, you know, we just knocked on doors. | ||
| It was expensive. | ||
| We had to go to Maryland. | ||
| We got to go here. | ||
| We got to go there. | ||
| But now citizens are knocking on doors. | ||
| They're inspired. | ||
| They're running around the country. | ||
| What can I do? | ||
| It's a fraction of the budget of these media corporations, and we're still getting results. | ||
| This is what people need to realize. | ||
| The path to luxury, wealth, comfort, high society, has typically been for a long time, garbage. | ||
| It has been people going on TV with big fake butts, and that's fine if you like it, I got no beef. | ||
| But I've always asked myself, how come firefighters don't get paid more money? | ||
| Oh, it's like, oh, we can't put it in the budget. | ||
| We can't, well, the police salaries are super low. | ||
| These leftists want to abolish the police. | ||
| They complain about cops. | ||
| Like, well, cops don't get paid very well. | ||
| It's not a job people want to do and feel good and safe doing. | ||
| It's high risk. | ||
| Yet. | ||
| Athletes, celebrities get paid ridiculous amounts of money, and the person who is in a movie posts a video of themselves boarding a private jet with a fancy Dom Perignon or something, and everyone says, if I want to succeed and have wealth and luxury, you have to be a vapid pop culture salesman. | ||
| There's a lot more here that I could say that I'm not going to, because I really, sorry, there's a lot more here. | ||
| I don't wanna get into the, there's some things I could tell you | ||
| that would make you go, what? | ||
| But I don't wanna be goaded into going there because I think that's what the intent is here | ||
| to try to get me to do. | ||
| But there was something about like, people should be making the same money | ||
| or there shouldn't be a disparity of, the CEO shouldn't be having a different form of security | ||
| Well, this guy's getting attacked and his life's threatened. | ||
| So do we want to get paid equally? | ||
| So some of this doesn't make a lot of actual sense. | ||
| Institutional capture, man. | ||
| I mean, the Southern District of New York is where the FBI raided me, so now I'm being sued in the SDNY, a jury trial, in order to issue an injunction against me to stop exposing corruption. | ||
| Um, by the organization that I founded, which is, which mission is, the stated mission is to expose corruption, and they've issued an injunction to stop the founder from exposing corruption. | ||
| They have issued an injunction or? | ||
| Or, I'm sorry, they issued a federal lawsuit to request the federal courts to stop Um, investigative reporting. | ||
| Like, I always say, like, if you brought this stuff to Netflix, they would, like, laugh at you. | ||
| Like, this is crazy shit. | ||
| Um, but just another day in my life. | ||
| Just to wrap up my last point, we should be happy to see James relaxing on a private jet. | ||
| We should be like, you do good work, you stand up for something honorable, you help this country, you get rewarded for doing it. | ||
| Instead, and I don't mean to just put this on you, it's something everybody has in their mind, that if you're going to do non-profit work, you should be poor. | ||
| And not literally every single person, but I used to do non-profit fundraising. | ||
| And I have to explain to people, they're like, did you hear the CEO of that non-profit gets paid a million dollars? | ||
| And I was like, good, wow. | ||
| Which non-profit? | ||
| I didn't know you did that. | ||
| Oh, I did fundraising for a whole bunch. | ||
| I did fundraising for Greenpeace. | ||
| I worked for the PERG groups. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| A handful of others. | ||
| Some of those are 501c4s. | ||
| He had hidden cameras there. | ||
| He actually saw you working. | ||
| You would be surprised. | ||
| It's actually a good place to probably have some. | ||
| I think you're right, Tim. | ||
| I think there's nothing wrong with taking a helicopter home. | ||
| I know people who do that. | ||
| I won't name them, but that's a standard industry practice if you're a $20, $30, $40, $50 million company. | ||
| You get home so you can get a good night's sleep, so you can wake up fresh and go to work and go to meetings and go travel. | ||
| It's just part of business. | ||
| I think the issue is that people look at things like hopping on a private jet or a private car as luxury instead of necessity. | ||
| Well, what is the root of all socialism? | ||
| Envy. | ||
| Envy. | ||
| What is socialism really about? | ||
| It's about envy. | ||
| It's about hating the guy who's achieving something and successful, tearing him down. | ||
| When in reality, what we should be doing is lifting everybody up. | ||
| But my point is this, it's misplaced too. | ||
| So I get a request like, hey Tim, we want you to fly out here and come on this show. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, I only fly first class. | ||
| That's not because I'm like, I deserve to- Exactly. | ||
| It's because, okay, I'm gonna be working 16 hours today. | ||
| I can catch a red eye after work, but I gotta go to bed. | ||
| I'll sleep on the plane, which barely works. | ||
| And I wake up feeling like crap, but I'm willing to do that- It sounds like envy to me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's an envy thing. | ||
| which has no place in strategy or corporate governance or anything like that. | ||
| That's an emotional thing. | ||
| Well, tell us about OMG now. | ||
| OMG has been very successful. | ||
| Got my swag here. | ||
| OMG, O'Keefe Media Group, so that when they type in OMG, it can't be censored because it's a commonly used acronym on social media. | ||
| That's brilliant. | ||
| And this is a very ambitious vision. | ||
| Which is to effectively create Uber for journalism. | ||
| So instead of just everyone being on my payroll, I want to equip everyone to go do what I do. | ||
| So I get hundreds of messages a day, please investigate the school board in Utah. | ||
| I had a lot of Canadians message me today, that was interesting. | ||
| And what we want to do is equip them, give them cameras, and to go have them go do this and open source my knowledge. | ||
| So everything I've learned about what I do, I'm producing a series of masterclasses on ethics, law, technology, and I'm teaching people how to do this because I think it does require some skills. | ||
| It requires being trained and educated, and I'm going to open source that. | ||
| I'm going to put it behind a paywall, okiefmediagroup.com. | ||
| You can subscribe. | ||
| It's $20 a month. | ||
| And you can get access to this information. | ||
| We have a database of like 1,100 people and we're deploying them. | ||
| And we're doing, as I speak, they're in the field recording follow-ups on Pfizer, the FDA, the government, the deep state, the administrative state, the three-letter agencies, school boards, teachers, media companies. | ||
| We want to help everyone, but when people say, hey, James, can you please go do this story? | ||
| Now I'm saying, no, you go do that story. | ||
| It's on you. | ||
| I'll give you a camera. | ||
| I'll ship the $500 camera. | ||
| I'll teach you, but you gotta figure it out. | ||
| Because I can't do it all myself. | ||
| It's not sustainable. | ||
| One of our biggest stories is now getting Congress to act. | ||
| This is the Act Blue donations that were being funneled. | ||
| Into individuals with like 10,000 donations on their name and things like that. | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| How did you find out about that? | ||
| That was found out by a citizen journalist in Wisconsin, Election Watch. | ||
| Peter is his name. | ||
| Just went on the FEC website. | ||
| He's like, well, that's odd. | ||
| This one guy. | ||
| This modest guy in Annapolis has made like 10,000 donations, and I just went to knock on his door. | ||
| And they said, well, I'd like to donate that many times, but I didn't. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's leading to congressional action now. | ||
| Yeah, right on. | ||
| I mean, imagine if the rest of the media actually did that and followed those leads instead of publishing articles on why Star Trek was racist. | ||
| But that's the thing, writing an article about Star Trek being racist is super easy. | ||
| Money, yep. | ||
| And what's happening is this kind of media is becoming dominant, and then it results in surface-level understanding of the world, hyperpolarization, and people focusing on things that are substantially less important. | ||
| You get YouTube channels where they're like, we're gonna make our 160th video about Dave Rubin! | ||
| And I'm like, but Dave Rubin's a guy on YouTube! | ||
| Like, you could talk about the president. | ||
| You know, I think we talked about David Pakman, and I unfairly criticized him for talking about Trump so much, and now I realize, no, that's actually fine. | ||
| Like, if you're going to talk about the president a thousand times, I totally get it. | ||
| You're right. | ||
| You should. | ||
| If you're going to talk about AOC, if you're going to talk about people in positions of power and authority, heads of industry, that I understand. | ||
| If you're going to claim that a YouTuber who ranks at like number 1,000, no, that's just that's just vapid e-drama. | ||
| But it's easy to make. | ||
| It riles people up at the lowest common denominator, it makes money, and it's very difficult to do the research to do the groundwork. | ||
| People want to hear their opinion being uttered by somebody else, but that doesn't actually change anything. | ||
| I mean, why don't journalists do this? | ||
| My theory is they don't do it because... | ||
| If you actually point a camcorder or a hidden camera in any direction in a bureau or a government office, it'll contradict what you see on television. | ||
| Like reality contradicts narrative. | ||
| The other thing is I think I've always said that we hold a mirror up to people and they don't like what it is that they see. | ||
| They hate the person who holds the mirror up to them. | ||
| So, I mean, going back to the citizen journalist thing, we had people that are so humbled that we reached out to them. | ||
| This Texas people I was speaking to, there's a group of people exposing something local in Texas, and she was shocked that OMG, that James O'Keefe would send her a camera like, well, you're going after like Pfizer and the Pentagon and the deep state, so why would you talk to us? | ||
| I was like, well, you gotta start local, gotta go to your local school board meeting, right? | ||
| But Tim, you were downstairs with me and I was on the Twitter spaces and And someone said, well, I don't know where to start. | ||
| And I said, have you gone to your school board meeting yet? | ||
| And she said, no, I didn't know I could. | ||
| Don't have to have a kid in school. | ||
| I was like, no, you're a taxpayer. | ||
| Go to your school board meeting. | ||
| Put on these little cameras and talk to people in the hallway and see what you come up with. | ||
| So we're starting there. | ||
| Do you hire them or do you have them as contractors or do you just send them stuff to get started? | ||
| We have a form on our website, okiefmediagroup.com. | ||
| You click on the link and there's a citizen journalist request form. | ||
| And we just ship them a camera provided they're not insane or stupid. | ||
| Insane or stupid. | ||
| We'll send you a camera and you know you'll have to maybe perhaps sign a waiver. | ||
| And then we'll pay you. | ||
| We had a young woman in Minnesota record her official in college saying, shhh transgender person will be in your room as your roommate, but we won't tell you that they're transgender. | ||
| Saying this to her and she recorded it. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And we paid her a thousand bucks. | ||
| For the footage? | ||
| For the footage. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Well I think that's a very important mission because you're putting a lot of emphasis on what's happening at the local level and it's good to focus on national politics, obviously everyone in this room does that, but for individual people in any given community to be involved with their school board and then also be able to see like undercover journalism on what's going on at their school board I think is incredibly valuable. | ||
| I think so, too. | ||
| It's so necessary. | ||
| Dude, all I want is, because I'm a big fan of Veritas, the people I know at Veritas, I love them, the people I met. | ||
| The people, I mean, obviously you, you're like my brother. | ||
| I mean, I don't know, we know each other pretty well. | ||
| Band of brothers. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| You did Henry the… The Simple Few for part two. | ||
| The Simple Few, yes. | ||
| And I want you guys, Succeedo Keef, do you think that there's a way for these organizations to both just keep firing on all cylinders? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I wish them well. | ||
| I hope they do what they do. | ||
| I want everyone to do this. | ||
| I think everyone should do this. | ||
| I don't think people should stop people from doing this. | ||
| I don't think it's against the First Amendment to stop journalism and stop trying to use the federal courts to stop journalists. | ||
| I've been sued so many times in my life. | ||
| I had the Teachers Union of Michigan file an injunction against me in 2017. | ||
| Randy Weingarten actually filed a restraining order against me because I published a document showing they paid off $50,000 to someone who's accused of raping a child. | ||
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| And they issued an injunction in federal court Against me. | ||
| Now, I've defeated that injunction. | ||
| They were demanding an injunction. | ||
| Well, they initially got it. | ||
| It was a temporary restraining order in federal court in Michigan. | ||
| This is still going on! | ||
| Five years later, I haven't settled the case. | ||
| Now, I'm not in charge there anymore. | ||
| But you see what's at stake here? | ||
| Oh, so you're out. | ||
| It's like, okay, Veritas, it's all yours. | ||
| Well, no, but I didn't want that to be the case. | ||
| No, I know, yeah. | ||
| But whoever is in charge has to now deal with this dichotomy of, okay, I gotta raise ridiculous amounts of money to fight on principle, or I can settle and give up. | ||
| So in Michigan, this was a document where it was paid off 50 grand. | ||
| We got the guy on hidden camera saying he knows what he did. | ||
| We publish the story, we get sued. | ||
| No one comes to our defense. | ||
| Hundreds of thousands of dollars. | ||
| I'm deposed. | ||
| I go through depositions with these lawyers for the teachers unions, and that's its own form of torture. | ||
| But that's the price you pay. | ||
| So for this company, OMG, for O'Keefe Media Group, is it like you're obviously private right now? | ||
| Do you have any ambition to take it public? | ||
| That's such a... I'm taking it one week, one month at a time, probably not. | ||
| I mean, I have trust issues right now with ownership. | ||
| I 100% own it. | ||
| I haven't taken on any debt. | ||
| No equity. | ||
| We had a very successful launch. | ||
| We have thousands of paid subscribers, which is pretty good for an organic launch. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And we'll take it from there. | ||
| We do have a 5.1c3 and c4 that I'm not on the board of. | ||
| I posted that link to my Twitter. | ||
| Liberty Guards is c4. | ||
| They're gonna help pay for legal defense to pay for lawyers and private citizen, which is a 5.1c3. | ||
| Liberty Guard and Private Citizen. | ||
| If you want to donate and get a tax deduction to help pay our legal costs, you can donate to those organizations. | ||
| Are you with them? | ||
| Do you work for them? | ||
| No. | ||
| Their mission is to defend citizens who are being under attack and being silenced, like in this case. | ||
| So they'll take donations to support paying the attorneys. | ||
| It's just insane how much of this is lawyers and just legal fees. | ||
| Non-stop. | ||
| People have no idea. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| I mean, well, I knew that for what you were doing, you ended up getting sued a number of times, so I figured that that was a problem for you. | ||
| I didn't realize how much that added up to. | ||
| I know the legal system's expensive. | ||
| This case in 2019, jury verdict in North Carolina. | ||
| None of you knew this. | ||
| It was like a jury verdict Woman sues me for defamation for quoting. | ||
| I quoted, we quoted Scott Fovill. | ||
| And Scott Fovill is saying what he said. | ||
| And they sued me, I don't know why they're suing me, they should sue Scott Fovill. | ||
| And it gets all the way, I had to fight it for like two years, it goes all the way right before the verdict, the jury's coming out of the box, and the federal judge gavels the case and goes, and I'm paraphrasing, Federal judge article three judge says can someone please tell me why we're here Wow, and and the lawyers the plaintiffs lawyers. | ||
| These are these are like the Hillary Clinton sort of make money group I don't know how this old woman could afford like five lawyers. | ||
| That's another story. | ||
| I had two one of them was blind and And that was intentional because the jury sympathized with him as much as they did her. | ||
| Justice is blind. | ||
| Justice is blind. | ||
| And the judge goes, if you sued, this is directed at, this is a transcript, directed at the lawyers, if you sued Mike Wallace, I realize Mike Wallace is dead, 60 minutes, but if you sued Mike Wallace for what you're suing James O'Keefe for, everyone would laugh at you. | ||
| And you should have seen the look on these lawyers' faces. | ||
| They were like, whoa, we didn't expect that. | ||
| So sometimes you have to fight it all the way to the end. | ||
| Do you win legal fees? | ||
| It took, last year we won back 15 grand. | ||
| Because in the United States... It's capped? | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| You don't, you don't, we got administrative fees back. | ||
| Oh, so that covered what? | ||
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| Like faxes and like copy scans and things like that. | ||
| Yeah, I think people need to understand this. | ||
| If someone sends you a demand letter or a threat or an intent to file, and you go to your lawyer and say, okay, how should we respond to this? | ||
| They'll say, well, we'll draft a response. | ||
| 15 grand. | ||
| Bang. | ||
| That's why everyone loves lawyers so much. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Well, I don't blame the lawyers. | ||
| You've got a firm of people. | ||
| They got three people on it. | ||
| The really good lawyers charge a lot of money because they're really good and you want to win. | ||
| I mean, look, I get it, but I'm just saying it's absurd. | ||
| It's ridiculous how expensive it all is. | ||
| But there's a point buried there that I want your audience to understand. | ||
| I had to fight it all the way. | ||
| I think that I'm saying the cost of the total cost of that one deal, 1.5 mil. | ||
| 1.5 million. | ||
| To do the right thing cost me 1.5 million. | ||
| And what did I get? | ||
| I got a check for 15 grand four years later and crickets. | ||
| And I'm not complaining. | ||
| I'm not a victim. | ||
| I don't want your pity. | ||
| I don't want your sympathy. | ||
| I am trying to make a point. | ||
| Do you know how many late night dinners How many car rides, how many airplane trips away from my loved ones that I had to take to raise that money to pay those lawyers? | ||
| And by the way, more power to the lawyers. | ||
| It's the free market. | ||
| They deserve to get paid $1,000 an hour and they won. | ||
| But the price that has to be paid is so central to the journalism itself. | ||
| You can't tell the story without also paying that price. | ||
| And nobody gets that. | ||
| But James, wouldn't you have rather spent a million and a half dollars on like some beachfront property and a landline or something? | ||
| I could have. | ||
| I could have spent that money on a hundred other things. | ||
| But I cared so much In that federal Article 3 judge, Reitzinger was his name, reading the Riot Act to those lawyers. | ||
| And by the way, cameras are not allowed in federal courtrooms. | ||
| I wish they were. | ||
| But there's a transcript, you can read it. | ||
| I think there's relatively few people left who admire the abstract when it comes to value. | ||
| I think you're one of them. | ||
| And what I mean is, As I mentioned before, vanity played a role in why news organizations would do serious investigations, why they would expose government malfeasance, why they would publish the Pentagon Papers or the Afghan war logs and things like that. | ||
| And it was that It feels good to be recognized for doing something good, and we've lost, and we're losing a lot of that in our society. | ||
| So, my assumption, James, is that when it comes on like this, I feel similarly. | ||
| I say this, would I rather have, like, I don't know, a Ferrari in an infinity pool, or would I rather have really great journalists? | ||
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| Do you know that when that gavel came down, it's called a Rule 50 directed verdict. | ||
| Directed verdict means, you know, a judgment notwithstanding the verdict, or right before the verdict. | ||
| And the judge dismissed the case. | ||
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| Everyone that worked with me in that courtroom was crying. | ||
| I was crying. | ||
| Russ Verney, at the time, was our head of our legal department, was crying. | ||
| My blind lawyer was hugging me. | ||
| I cannot describe the feeling it felt like to be in the right, because every once in a while there is a taste of justice. | ||
| But how did it get so far? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's a rhetorical question. | ||
| Our system is a little broken. | ||
| And the system of justice is broken, and that's horrible. | ||
| Couldn't this judge right away just been like, summary dismissal, get out of my courtroom? | ||
| Right away. | ||
| He's got a duty to get those lawyers paid, let's be honest. | ||
| Well, motion to dismiss. | ||
| You could have won on motion to dismiss. | ||
| I mean, I was prejudiced. | ||
| Get out of my courtroom, don't come back. | ||
| We also sued the New York Times for defamation and got past motion to dismiss. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I was about to head toward, you know, Tucker Carlson was removed from Fox News and we see all these text messages, right? | ||
| And let me, let me go through all your phones, Daily Beast, New York Times reporters, and look at your text messages to people. | ||
| Let me, let me see what you want. | ||
| If you want to live in, let's live in that world. | ||
| And I was going there, but I'm not in charge anymore. | ||
| Oh, so that lawsuit's still ongoing? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| I mean, this could be a big part of it. | ||
| I mean, somebody meets with somebody else and they say, hey, look, man, this O'Keeffe thing's really bad for everybody. | ||
| Why don't we grease your wheels a little bit and you make it go away? | ||
| And then what's it worth? | ||
| It's crazy, the way that 501c3s are organized, it's like no-fault divorce. | ||
| You need three people to start a thing and then the two of them can immediately get you thrown out. | ||
| I don't even think, they just come together and they're like, we had a board meeting, you're out. | ||
| And you're like, dude, I just paid six grand to start this thing. | ||
| And they're like, yeah, we decided you're out. | ||
| Where's the charity? | ||
| I understand you can get free money donated, but... I don't trust non-profits. | ||
| I'm in the process of starting one right now, and it's like, jeez, I'm sweating. | ||
| It's insane. | ||
| It's so insane. | ||
| You have to find really strong people, and the question is, how do you evaluate whether someone is strong? | ||
| I mean, you don't really know until you go through hell with them, so you have to go through that to establish whether they have Testicular fortitude. | ||
| You know that Henry V quote we were reciting? | ||
| Hold their manhoods cheap. | ||
| You're the impressionist, right? | ||
| I don't know if I can do him. | ||
| For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother. | ||
| This story shall the good man teach his son. | ||
| For he today who goes through hell with me shall be my brother. | ||
| Be him ne'er so vile, however low-born a man may be, this day shall make him a man. | ||
| And gentlemen in England, now abed, shall stand to curse they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap, while any speaks that fought with us on this day. | ||
| The people that remain by my side, you know, like Arcee, and I'm getting emotional here, but they're like, they're like my brothers. | ||
| They have been through hell. | ||
| They have been through absolute hell, and I have seen such goodness in people, while also seeing evil. | ||
| But the things that keep me going is the goodness, you know, in people. | ||
| And there's a lot of good people out there, you know? | ||
| What's some of the best stuff you've seen? | ||
| The people out there in the country who Who message me and say, I will always have your back, and I want to do what you do. | ||
| And I need your help to do it. | ||
| Those are people who keep me going. | ||
| Are you inspiring people to start their own companies? | ||
| I want to inspire people to go do what I do, because I think they can take down one man, but they can't take down thousands of people. | ||
| I think they can defeat one man, but they can't defeat an army of people. | ||
| Or multi-million dollar lawsuits, massive multinational corporations. | ||
| I'm ultimately not worried about the money because I think it can be raised. | ||
| It's not a zero-sum game. | ||
| If I have to raise $50 million, I'll raise it. | ||
| Whatever it takes, we'll do it to get the job done. | ||
| Because there's so many people in this country, like I go to the airports and TSA and backseat of Uber. | ||
| I mean, the people that like, even, I'm sure you get recognized all the time, Tim, but like, it's crazy. | ||
| I mean, I had dinner the other night in a restaurant, someone came, 10 times in a row, they came up to me. | ||
| And they all say, please never give up. | ||
| Please stop doing, don't ever stop doing what you're doing. | ||
| Please don't ever give up. | ||
| They're begging me. | ||
| Not to give up. | ||
| So that keeps me going, and I went to a small farm store about six, seven months ago, and was in there just shopping, little local produce stuff. | ||
| They asked me what I did, and I was like, oh, you know, I do a political show and stuff, and they're like, oh, really cool, really cool, what's it called? | ||
| And I said, it's all called Tim Cass, and they're like, oh, that's really, really great, and, you know, what do you talk about? | ||
| And I was like, oh, this, that, or otherwise, and they're like, you know who I love? | ||
| And I was like, who? | ||
| And they're like, James O'Keefe. | ||
| He's so great. | ||
| Do you know James O'Keefe?" | ||
| I'm like, I've heard of him, yeah. | ||
| He's really great. | ||
| And they were like, we need more people like him. | ||
| And I'm just sitting here like, this is really cool. | ||
| Yeah, I know that guy. | ||
| The balance is like, because people are going to name their kids after you, probably you too, Tim, but like your ego. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| How do you balance your ego? | ||
| Like I imagine the last couple of years was fucking insane for you. | ||
| Like just so much pressure and focus on you and your name and like the, That's a good question. | ||
| And in many ways you have to be wired a certain way. | ||
| I think if you're an artist, you're not a political person, I think the game, the process they put you through Prevent your ego from being a thing in the first place because the responsive power is nothing more than responsibility. | ||
| So when you're when you have to raise a hundred grand a day like that'll mess up your ego. | ||
| Because I gotta wake up at 6 a.m. | ||
| I gotta work till 1 in the morning. | ||
| I gotta run the company, be the face, be the talent and deal with all these lawsuits. | ||
| When you're a witness in federal court, that'll get your ego destroyed real fast. | ||
| Um, you, you, you, you, people don't realize that power is nothing more than just responsibility. | ||
| And when you have all this response, I mean, the FBI came to my apartment, point guns at me, take my stuff. | ||
| A sword of Damocles hangs over your head and at any moment in time, and then you think, oh, they're going to get me on obstruction of justice and perjury. | ||
| That process will humble you real fast. | ||
| Your office is destroyed by a hurricane. | ||
| Mine was. | ||
| I had to rebuild it. | ||
| Your ego will get destroyed. | ||
| And I think I'm a fortunate man because this process I've been through over the last six months, it humbled me, but it didn't destroy me. | ||
| And I think that's rare for a man to go through that. | ||
| Yeah, there's a really great quote, what you're saying reminds me of, the venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said that maturity is pain plus responsibility, and I think that rings true here. | ||
| A lot of people have pain inflicted upon them, but then they don't carry it in a responsible way, and so they never develop as they need to. | ||
| They want all of the power with none of the accompanying responsibility. | ||
| And it's nothing but responsibility when you're in charge of an outfit like that. | ||
| And it is a spiritual war now. | ||
| And humility is an ingredient for a work ethic, I think. | ||
| You said a moment ago that something to the effect of money is responsibility or power is responsibility? | ||
| I think there's an interesting moral dichotomy. | ||
| The left views doesn't agree with the idea of power being responsibility. | ||
| They believe power is something to be is for them to wield for their own luxuries and desires. | ||
| And then there are people on this side who view it as a responsibility to those who have who have Given you a portion of their power so that you can concentrate that. | ||
| I think about that with what we do here and what our goals are. | ||
| I see that in what you do with what your goals are. | ||
| That every day, and I'll get as nerdy as possible for all the anime fans, it is Goku doing the Spirit Bomb. | ||
| For those that aren't familiar, it's in Dragon Ball Z when Goku asks all of the life of the world to lend him power so that he can defeat the bad guy. | ||
| That's how I view power. | ||
| Those are the things I grew up seeing. | ||
| And, you know, I know it's dorky, nerdy, whatever, for people who aren't fans of anime, but the idea is, as a child, I'm growing up looking up to the heroes who say, please, but a small piece of your power so that I can do something great. | ||
| The responsibility to wield that power responsibly, the requirement that you do it, Is a moral obligation in my opinion. | ||
| So for everybody who gives to TimCast.com and becomes members, sure. | ||
| I could say, we're a for-profit company, I deserve this money, I built it, I'm gonna do whatever I want with it. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| We launched the TimCast Newsroom, which is a financial detriment, in a sense. | ||
| We lose money having journalists do this work. | ||
| As you should. | ||
| But we have to do it, because there's two ways I see it. | ||
| One, we do an opinion news commentary show. | ||
| It is not the hard, groundbreaking journals that Project Veritas was doing under you, or what you're doing now with OMG. | ||
| But I think you're probably one of the best in the business when it comes to that beat. | ||
| I appreciate it, but I also recognize we have to, as people are basically saying like, we love this show and what you talk about. | ||
| We're going to give you a small piece of the power that we've accrued so that you can wield it. | ||
| I don't immediately say something like, oh man, it'd be really cool if I built like a massive skyscraper with an infinity pool. | ||
| I think let's hire a whole bunch of journalists and take that energy and focus it into something massively net positive for the world. | ||
| That's why even when it comes to like the coffee company we started, I'm in the hole $250,000 on starting The Coffee Company because we need to build products that compete in the cultural space. | ||
| I'm in the hole another couple hundred thousand on starting The Coffee Shop because we need to compete with woke corporations. | ||
| You know, I think about it all the time. | ||
| I'm like, man, if I shut all this down and just did one small YouTube channel where I made three videos per day, I would live like a king and never have to sweat ever again. | ||
| Someone has to be calling out what they see as injustice. | ||
| Someone has to be like you, James, actually doing the work and inspiring others to go and build strong moral frameworks for our country and inspire people to be good people and to do the right thing. | ||
| And that is, we have an obligation to the people of our country and our planet To use our abilities for the betterment of the world and for the people with great, I'll say it like this, with great power comes great responsibility. | ||
| But power isn't just one day you stumbled across a winning lottery ticket. | ||
| Power isn't just you made a lot of money at your job. | ||
| Power is you're talented, you're smart, you're capable. | ||
| I believe that we as humans have an obligation to, to the best of our abilities, use our gifts so that we can make the world better for everybody else. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I mean, that's an important Christian belief. | ||
| We will be held accountable for our talents at the end of our life. | ||
| It's how we use them. | ||
| It's their gift. | ||
| Not to shy away from some kinds of pain. | ||
| You guys were mentioning pain earlier. | ||
| How did you phrase that? | ||
| Oh, yeah, I quoted the Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen, or Venerable Archbishop Fulton Sheen. | ||
| He said that maturity is pain plus responsibility. | ||
| I've been thinking about pain because there's different kinds of pain. | ||
| There's some types of pain that are like, stop doing this. | ||
| Whatever is happening right now, make it stop, because this is an indication of pain that there's damage being done. | ||
| Then there's other kind of pain that indicates growth, like the breakdown of muscle so that it can regrow. | ||
| It's very true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| If you can withstand that kind of pain and understand the difference between that and actual warning signs. | ||
| Another thing that Roseanne Barr told me recently was that, and I hope I'm not breaking her confidence, but I intend to visit with her in Texas soon, Like, she's a creative, I'm a creative. | ||
| I don't know about, I assume you're creatively motivated. | ||
| We're creative, we make music and art. | ||
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| You have your music business and everything. | ||
| I mean, I'm a creative, so that's what motivates me. | ||
| I'm motivated by creating the project, telling the story, doing the thing. | ||
| Creative people, this whole process has created a little disillusionment in me, which at first I thought, well, that's not good, because am I gonna lose my idealism? | ||
| But Roseanne Barr told me that what makes a great artist, if you're an artist, illusion separates you from God and separates you from reality. | ||
| If you're getting rid of your illusions, you're gonna do a better job of capturing reality. | ||
| And we are witness to reality. | ||
| If you're a reporter, you're reporting on the truth, you're reporting on the world around you. | ||
| If you're an artist, you're doing the good, the true and the beautiful. | ||
| So to be disillusioned, I think, is a good thing. | ||
| It's a sign of wisdom. | ||
| And to your point about muscle, that's a great metaphor. | ||
| Like, I totally agree with that. | ||
| You go through, I mean, the pain, it's like, beyond. | ||
| The Sword of Damocles, the FBI, that's still ongoing. | ||
| I'm still under federal criminal investigation, like, three years later. | ||
| They have all my stuff. | ||
| The Sword of Damocles, it's painful, but you become stronger for it, and it's gonna prepare you for the next thing, which is worse. | ||
| But hey, Your muscles are bigger. | ||
| By the way, do you guys know where the gym is? | ||
| Dude, Jason O'Keefe, by the way, ripping up 20 pounds of muscle off my body. | ||
| Do I look like I know where the gym is, James? | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Are you religious, man? | ||
| I am. | ||
| I am a religious man. | ||
| Yes, I'm a believer. | ||
| Were you always? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I don't know how to answer that. | ||
| I think it's changed throughout my life. | ||
| Do you find that you've become more spiritual? | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Definitely. | ||
| Especially in the last year and a half. | ||
| I don't know what pill there is. | ||
| White, black, red, green. | ||
| I don't know how many pills there are. | ||
| All sorts of colors. | ||
| I don't even know what that means. | ||
| The moment it hit me, the moment I was like, whoa. | ||
| Because I've been doing this since I was college. | ||
| It was when I was banned from Twitter in April of 2021. | ||
| That's when it hit me. | ||
| I was like, shit's about to get real. | ||
| That was the moment for me. | ||
| For whatever reason, I woke up. | ||
| I was like, oh my god, they took away my main distribution mechanism. | ||
| And then Elon led us back on December 2022, a month before the Pfizer story, which was God's timing. | ||
| That was your biggest story, right? | ||
| Providential. | ||
| Praise Jesus. | ||
| That was the biggest. | ||
| That was 40, 50 million views. | ||
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| Which is like more views than like the World Cup scoring video. | ||
| Like that was by a factor of 20. | ||
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| Crazy, white pill? | ||
| That moment is the white pill, the moment of optimism. | ||
| You begin to feel that you're on the path of success and that goodness is forthcoming. | ||
| And I confronted that Pfizer guy in the restaurant in New York. | ||
| I don't know if you guys remember this. | ||
| And they locked you in. | ||
| Oh yeah, yeah. | ||
| They locked me in the restaurant. | ||
| If you haven't seen this, it's like a sitcom. | ||
| It's wild. | ||
| And the guy's like a high up at Pfizer and they lock me in, which is like, I guess, false imprisonment in Brooklyn. | ||
| This is in Dumbo, Brooklyn. | ||
| And I'm being locked in the restaurant, and the guy is smashing... he takes the iPad out of my hand. | ||
| I know you do a good Chris Hansen impression. | ||
| Why don't you take a seat over there? | ||
| That's unbelievable. | ||
| Thank you, thank you. | ||
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| So I walk up to the Pfizer executive like Chris Hansen. | ||
| I'm like, is this seat taken? | ||
| I remember. | ||
| It was a brilliant video. | ||
| What's my line? | ||
| I forgot my line. | ||
| You were like, can I sit here? | ||
| Can I sit? | ||
| Is this seat taken? | ||
| And the guy's like, he goes through the five stages of grief in two minutes. | ||
| It's really remarkable. | ||
| He's like, oh my god, which is the name of my company. | ||
| That's a double pun. | ||
| And he goes, oh my god. | ||
| And he goes, you can't be here. | ||
| You can't do this. | ||
| And then he goes, I'm literally a liar. | ||
| I'm literally a liar. | ||
| It's like, but you expect me to believe everything you're telling me right now. | ||
| And then he proceeds to smash the device as if the only location of the video is on that particular device that I had. | ||
| He smashed, this is the guy who went to Yale Medical School, smashing. | ||
| And meanwhile, he like assaults my crew and I'm backing up. | ||
| And I'm backing up and I'm thinking, you know what I'm thinking? | ||
| I'm thinking, I need to make sure That this whole deal is recorded because the cops are coming. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| And then a week later I was removed from Project Veritas. | ||
| It's hard not to think that it was connected. | ||
| Either that or it was just getting so big that it hit some sort of breaking point. | ||
| Right. | ||
| I hear a lot of stories where people say something like, oh, my friend recommended this mind-altering drug. | ||
| And I don't mean illegal ones, I mean legal ones. | ||
| They're like, have you thought about anti-anxiety medicine or depression medicine? | ||
| People are on how many pills these days? | ||
| I think even Family Guy made a joke about it, where Lois cracks a bunch of different pills, and she's like, all of my different prescriptions, and then eats them, and she's like, tomorrow I'll think this is a new idea, or something like that. | ||
| Something is going on in this country with big pharmaceutical companies, in terms of just mass cranking out so many different drugs, and they make such tremendous profits, and they sponsor so many different media organizations, that all of a sudden big companies are like, hey, nobody | ||
| bad mouth our sponsor. | ||
| I don't know if you saw the story that OMG two weeks ago with the Tucker, the Fox News | ||
| nightly producer saying that the advertising dollars influence and fight, we get money from | ||
| Pfizer. And I did a podcast with Robert Kennedy. I intend to interview Trump, Kennedy and DeSantis, | ||
| but I did an hour long deal with with Kennedy. And he told me a story of when he was talking | ||
| to some at Fox, I think it was Ailes time, who relayed to him that if you go on the air and talk | ||
| about this stuff, Rupert Murdoch will kick you off the air. | ||
| So this is real. | ||
| This is a real influence. | ||
| And I think the story is just, to your point, I think more of it's going to come out. | ||
| We're not done with the Pfizer beat. | ||
| Don't you worry. | ||
| I think what we see with you, James, with OMG, with what you were previously doing with Veritas, just your work in general and the people you've inspired, we need people, young people, growing up, knowing that you will be championed. | ||
| You will be not only championed by your peers, Yes. | ||
| you will actually do good things that help make the world better | ||
| if you stand up on strong moral grounds, reject corruption. | ||
| And so when I hear that story of the guy in the store, and he works for Pfizer and all that, | ||
| he said, I'm a liar, and then he tries to smash the device. | ||
| And I'm thinking about, here's a guy who will privately, to a random person, admit to malfeasance. | ||
| But then once he finds out, people might realize he's doing wrong. | ||
| He tries to destroy the evidence and lie about it. | ||
| Because he knows he is doing evil. | ||
| And he is scared that people will find out. | ||
| That's kind of a scary thing. | ||
| He literally says it's bad for America in the video. | ||
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| It was insane. | ||
| It was like a cartoon. | ||
| I literally made a cartoon of it, but it was hard to parody because of how over-the-top it was. | ||
| I couldn't believe it. | ||
| This guy was openly... and at one point he's like, you're not like one of those hidden camera guys, are you? | ||
| I was like, oh my goodness. | ||
| Yeah, they can't... that's why people don't do this, because it would expose themselves. | ||
| It would expose the whole rotten You're gonna say something. | ||
| No, I just, we need to get to the point where we restore the sense of, I can't do that, that's wrong. | ||
| Instead of, I'll do that as long as no one finds out. | ||
| That's ridiculous. | ||
| Exactly, we don't care if we do the right or wrong thing, we care about our reputation, that's it. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's exactly it. | ||
| There's a weakness. | ||
| What people are forgetting is like, it's not necessarily these are bad people, they're weak people. | ||
| I've seen a lot of weak people. | ||
| And when you're doing the right thing, sometimes you can't be like a nice guy. | ||
| You can't just go along with it. | ||
| You have to take a stand and that moral compass is everything. | ||
| The weakness versus the strength is what I would say is the problem. | ||
| We need strong people. | ||
| I know it's a cliche, but, and then you have to figure out how do you test for that? | ||
| I think about that mentality of, you know, this guy does something he knows is wrong and bad and harmful. | ||
| As long as nobody finds out. | ||
| And it's remarkable to me because I'm wondering, does he have no scruples? | ||
| Does he have no inner sense of, I just can't bring myself to do this? | ||
| I just don't understand how people could have this within them to say, yeah, I got no problem doing it as long as nobody finds out. | ||
| Well, there was one time that the Twitter guy was on a date with the undercover journalist and he goes, don't tell anybody this, but here's a secret email. | ||
| That Project Veritas sent out, and our reporter has to mispronounce Project Veritas in order to not be burned. | ||
| I laughed at that! | ||
| That was wild. | ||
| No offense to the reporter, but that is the most, like, I'm clearly pretending not to be in Project Veritas statement I've ever heard, and the guy still keeps confessing! | ||
| I'm sitting here and I'm being texted by my team and they're reminding me that every time they're on an assignment, the reporters are, you know, the subjects are asking, are you, are you, you got the hidden camera? | ||
| You working for James O'Keefe? | ||
| They always say that! | ||
| And then they still tell them all their information! | ||
| Everything! | ||
| It's insane! | ||
| Everything. | ||
| Because it has to do with, I guess, a narcissistic trait in humans where they just can't admit that... How did you put it? | ||
| They can't admit they're wrong. | ||
| How did you say that earlier? | ||
| Because you were on point. | ||
| Evil exists in people and... | ||
| They're fine with doing it so long as no one finds out. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That's exactly right. | ||
| I think what happens there is sort of a microcosm of a much larger human problem, which is that when people don't develop virtue, what they've essentially failed to do is subjugate their emotions or their passions to reason. | ||
| So even though they know, okay, it wouldn't be reasonable for me to tell someone I barely know every borderline illegal or flat-out illegal or unethical thing I'm doing at work, I feel like I want to in the moment, so I'm going to. | ||
| Right, and one of the other questions, if I'm an undercover reporter and someone's saying, here are you, I say, hey, yeah, sure, you want to check me? | ||
| You want to check my body? | ||
| And they'll never do it. | ||
| And the thing about it psychologically is that undercover work is about asking about themselves. | ||
| People have talked about themselves. | ||
| So it's remarkable what people will confess if you express interest in them personally. | ||
| You're familiar with this meme, remember this one? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is the hot, crazy access for women you date. | ||
| And it's like, you know, if a woman is a 5 or below, you don't, you know, it's like a no-go zone. | ||
| If she's, you know, the crazy access is a 10, it's a no-go zone. | ||
| Then you have the crazy zone, the fun zone, the date zone. | ||
| And then women who are not crazy and super attractive, it's James O'Keefe. | ||
| Spying on you. | ||
| Or it's a dude, isn't it? | ||
| The lower right when it's... | ||
| Oh, they replaced that with James O'Keefe. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, like, this was after the Twitter thing when we were, like, I can't remember who said it. | ||
| We were cracking up. | ||
| No, we were watching it laughing and then you and I were coming up with all these jokes. | ||
| Someone tweeted it. | ||
| They were like, if you are a, like, mildly unattractive tech engineer for a big tech company and this hot woman is asking you about the inner workings of your company, it's James O'Keefe. | ||
| Well, I just love the idea. | ||
| I mean, are these people watching pick-up artist videos, where the pick-up artist is like, you want to get a girl? | ||
| Tell her every illegal thing you've ever done on the first date! | ||
| Drive them crazy! | ||
| You see the story we did last week on Fetterman, where the guy, this is Fetterman's aide, he carries around his stuff, and you probably do a great impression, but he's like, I'm not incoherent enough. | ||
| We just use the journalists as puppets. | ||
| They do everything we tell them to. | ||
| They're not skeptical. | ||
| He's bragging about this. | ||
| And the dude in the Pfizer, he's bragging about mutating viruses and hurting people. | ||
| They're bragging about these things. | ||
| To what? | ||
| To get laid? | ||
| I think I know what it is. | ||
| I think that's part of it. | ||
| I think when someone is doing something horrible, they feel a need for that behavior to be accepted by other people. | ||
| Their conscience is bothering them and they want to sit across from somebody who will say, | ||
| yeah, of course, there's nothing wrong with that. | ||
| Or I agree. | ||
| That's really funny and interesting so that when those thoughts come into their mind that maybe I'm doing the | ||
| wrong thing, they can try to fall back on, well, the other people I've | ||
| spoken to approve of it. | ||
| They're dying to confess. | ||
| This is why. | ||
| They're desperate to confess. | ||
| The people who are in your face about their lifestyle choices the most are always the people who feel guilty | ||
| about what they're doing and they need your approval because they don't have the | ||
| approval of their conscience. | ||
| They need confession. That's that's true profound. That's very true | ||
| I don't think anyone's ever spoken about this in this way. | ||
| By the way, some of them don't, we don't find them on dating apps. | ||
| In fact, the one guy, a reporter that works for me, got a guy in December in Chicago to talk about the, remember the dildo butt plug story? | ||
| The head of a private school in Chicago talks about giving out these things to children. | ||
| And he met that man in an airport security line. | ||
| So that's how he got that information. | ||
| Did he have to like, I'm going to the bathroom and then put the camera on and like Oh, geez. | ||
| Winning friends and influencing people, and the confession thing you said is very profound. | ||
| It's really true. | ||
| Dude, confession is innately necessary for humans, man. | ||
| The religion had it. | ||
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| The church. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| With internet video, you can tell the world your secrets. | ||
| It's humiliating, but you can. | ||
| They stop popping into your head. | ||
| You stop getting distracted. | ||
| Your conscience becomes clear when you tell someone this thing. | ||
| That's why I say we hold a mirror up to people. | ||
| I think Seamus nailed it. | ||
| I think a lot of these people, it's a joke that we've pointed out where, you know, a guy meets a woman, he sits down and says, hey babe, you want to hear about all the illegal things my company does? | ||
| Like it's gonna score them, but that's not it. | ||
| Seamus, I think, nails it in that the moment they engaged in something they knew was wrong, their mind said, you are doing wrong. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| And they didn't, they weren't strong enough to say no. | ||
| So when they sit down with someone in private, they're looking for validation. | ||
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| They're begging, please tell me I'm a good person. | ||
| And I think there's an additional element that wants validation in a different way. | ||
| I think their conscience wants validation as well. | ||
| They want to hear that person say, you're better than this. | ||
| Stop. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is profound dialogue here about what we do and how it works. | ||
| The confession. | ||
| I think that's right. | ||
| And there's this one example I have in my mind of Charlie Chester, who was a CNN guy about two years ago. | ||
| And the whole time he's waxing euphoric about how much propaganda CNN is. | ||
| He never looks into the eyes of the person across the table from him. | ||
| It's almost like he's talking to himself or to, you know, a monologue, not with the person. | ||
| He doesn't even care about them. | ||
| He's just hearing, listening to himself talk, so their conscience goes against their own actions, for sure. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| You can tell a lot by looking in somebody's eyes. | ||
| The brain, because it says the brain, the eyes are connected directly to the brain, like it can't lie, you can sense it. | ||
| I think it's more than just the brain, right? | ||
| Because humans, we're not just bodies, we're a body-soul composite, and there is a there-there. | ||
| You can tell, you're not just looking at matter when you look into somebody's eyes, there's something else. | ||
| We're not mere mechanical components, there's something more to us. | ||
| Yeah, the way it's moving, you can tell it's vibrating, you know, different ways depending on what they're thinking. | ||
| But even vibration puts it in a material way, like there's something immaterial that we can't understand. | ||
| The conscience thing is really interesting to me because when in your life did someone come to you and say, son, I know you're entering kindergarten, it's your first day, but if you ever work for a major pharmaceutical company and they ask you to engage in gain-of-function research, I need you to say no, son, it's wrong. | ||
| That never happens in your life. | ||
| So something throughout this person's life generated the moral understanding that this practice would be wrong. | ||
| What do you think that is? | ||
| Well, I wonder if there is something genuinely immaterial in that we know when we're doing good or bad. | ||
| It more relates to Do we know that this is going to be harmful to the world and our fellow man? | ||
| And it... I think maybe that's just... There could be something more metaphysical, or maybe it's simply that we know the destruction of the planet, we know that harming others is just inherently wrong, and working to those ends is wrong. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they want to justify it somehow, and be told everything's okay, you're a good person. | ||
| I think we have a culture that celebrates vice and denigrates virtue. | ||
| And as I mentioned earlier, when we're referring to virtue, what we're really referring to is subjugating your impulses, your passions, your emotions to reason, doing the right thing in spite of the way you feel. | ||
| What we have encouraged people to do systematically over the last several decades is to orient themselves towards pleasure as the highest good. | ||
| And that includes ignoring your conscience, ignoring reason, ignoring your values, just doing what feels good. | ||
| And what results from that is a person who is incapable of going against their own passions and doing what's right. | ||
| And so, other people not liking you, it makes you feel bad. | ||
| They don't want that negative consequence of their nefarious behaviors, but The conscience part of it doesn't factor in as often until they need to silence it by getting your approval. | ||
| No, no, bro. | ||
| It's much easier than that. | ||
| They sell these wonderful little pills that turn that conscience right off. | ||
| So you've got people who know it's wrong. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is the vision that I'm seeing as you're explaining this. | ||
| I'm imagining some morbidly obese woman eating her fifth bowl of nachos With her brain screaming, stop doing this, and she goes, oh, the negative thoughts are coming back. | ||
| Negative thoughts are gone. | ||
| Sometimes you are supposed to feel negative thoughts. | ||
| Negative thoughts are not a disease. | ||
| Sometimes they're a symptom of you doing something wrong and you have to stop doing that thing instead of medicating yourself. | ||
| There are people who can't feel pain. | ||
| They are physically incapable. | ||
| And I've heard a lot of people say, wow, that would be so awesome to not have to feel pain. | ||
| And what they don't realize is it's actually terrifying and dangerous. | ||
| They almost pull their eyes out as infants. | ||
| It's a real thing. | ||
| And they can't sweat. | ||
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| Because the pain... What I read was that certain people who can't experience pain, their body can't regulate temperature because they don't have that sensation of discomfort. | ||
| And so they could easily overheat and die. | ||
| They also sometimes could bite through their tongue when they're little kids. | ||
| They can seriously injure themselves and not know. | ||
| Crazy stories. | ||
| Hardship is a good thing. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Nagging negative feelings. | ||
| Not always bad things. | ||
| I understand sometimes there's chemical imbalance, depression, and anxiety where people are having a disorder. | ||
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| But perhaps if you are unhappy, not everybody, I know, sometimes people are, you know, clinically or medically depressed, but perhaps You need to do better by yourself. | ||
| You need to eat right. | ||
| You need to exercise. | ||
| You take responsibility for your life. | ||
| So are people born with the spark of the divine and it is through the drugs and what they're exposed to? | ||
| We suppress it. | ||
| We suppress it. | ||
| But they're born with that desire. | ||
| Because I feel like the word truth, speaking the truth, makes people feel free. | ||
| It does set you free. | ||
| The subjects that I write, the truth shall set you free. | ||
| Veritas post libera abit. | ||
| Speaking the truth makes you feel free. | ||
| And in many ways, this guy's good. | ||
| I've never said it, I've never heard it said that way. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I mean, the subjects are engaging in confession, which makes them feel, it's therapy for them. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But the difference is they don't get absolution. | ||
| Yeah, that is the difference. | ||
| Or maybe they do when the video goes live. | ||
| No, because the difference is when you go to confession, when you go confess to a Catholic priest with true contrition, you're actually sorry, you're actually making a resolution not to do it again, you're not going in there and saying, this is the thing I did, please give me your approval. | ||
| You're saying, this is wrong, I know it was wrong, please absolve me, I'm sorry. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But that's not what they're doing. | ||
| They want to confess it, but in a way where they don't admit it's wrong, and they get your approval. | ||
| They want the inverse. | ||
| Because your approval is their god. | ||
| James, you're effectively an inverse priest for them in a certain way, where instead of saying, admit you were wrong, they're saying, please tell me I wasn't. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| There's something to that because... And then it exposes... But real quick, sorry, I just wanted to add. | ||
| What these people need to understand, and what always breaks my heart about the videos that you put out, James, when it's like a Twitter engineer who says, yeah, we're doing these things, why wasn't he a whistleblower? | ||
| Why didn't he say, I am going to reach out to James O'Keefe personally and of my own volition and tell him about these horrible things they're doing? | ||
| I have a good answer for that. | ||
| It's one word, two syllables. | ||
| Paycheck. | ||
| Yeah, the god of money. | ||
| That's what I've been thinking about. | ||
| Which is, I wasn't, you know, that's not really what motivates me, but a lot of otherwise, I thought, decent people will just stay there for the paycheck, I think. | ||
| And we've talked about, Tim, you and I talked about this before, well, that they're cowards, and yeah, there's something to that. | ||
| But I think that's changing in society. | ||
| To be a little optimistic here, I think people now care more about doing the right thing more than they ever have. | ||
| But they need a leader. | ||
| They need someone to follow. | ||
| I have to give people permission. | ||
| People are watching from the sidelines with a pinky toe in the pool. | ||
| They're drafting an email right now to akiftipsatprotonmail.com. | ||
| Should I do this? | ||
| I got the mortgage. | ||
| I got the wife. | ||
| I got the this. | ||
| It's always the wife or something like this. | ||
| I got the kids. | ||
| And I always say, look, you get the kids. | ||
| OK, well, but your kids, don't they want to look up to their parents? | ||
| And don't they? | ||
| I mean, I had someone tell me, oh, you're really lucky you don't have children. | ||
| And one day I'll be a father, hopefully soon. | ||
| But like, really? | ||
| I'm lucky I don't have children? | ||
| I would think that my children would hopefully look up to someone who stands on principle, even if it cost me my paycheck. | ||
| You know? | ||
| And there's nothing new under the sun. | ||
| We've talked about these concepts for millions of thousands of years. | ||
| But I think things are changing. | ||
| I really do. | ||
| People are... You mentioned people on the sidelines and they need permission. | ||
| I've had so many people ask me, especially, you know, when I was working for Vice, when I was on the ground field reporting, I would get these emails and people would say, how do I do what you do? | ||
| And I'd say, oh, it's really, really easy. | ||
| Take out your phone, press record. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Have a nice day. | ||
| And they're shocked, like, what? | ||
| That can't be right. | ||
| I'm like, dude, I was living in New York filming things that were going on there. | ||
| Like, I moved, I went there for 20 bucks on a bus to occupy Wall Street. | ||
| I just started filming stuff. | ||
| So like when you told that story of the woman who, you know, you said, have you gone to | ||
| your public school? | ||
| I didn't know I could. | ||
| There's a lot of people who don't realize there is nothing stopping you from entering | ||
| the fray of the political fear, right? | ||
| Fear of fear of unknown. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| But I mean, like, you know, I thought about this when I was younger. | ||
| How do you get involved and say, like, the conversation we're having. | ||
| Someone might be wondering, like, how do I get on a show like that? | ||
| Well, you just start doing these things. | ||
| You show up to events, you speak, you be present in the moment, you film, you record. | ||
| There are a lot of people who got started by just showing up and being like, hey, I'm here, here's what I think. | ||
| And then more and more people start noticing they're there and they think things and they're speaking out. | ||
| More and more people started going to school board meetings and speaking up and getting attention. | ||
| You just have to do it and be the person leading the charge. | ||
| Also, ditch hedonism. | ||
| This obsession with feeling good and avoiding pain, it's a detriment. | ||
| You gotta embrace pain. | ||
| And it sounds sadistic to say that, because not all kinds. | ||
| Don't seek it out. | ||
| It's not sadistic. | ||
| It's gotta be there. | ||
| It's there right now. | ||
| Gravity is painful. | ||
| We're being sucked down and twisted to this earth. | ||
| It hurts. | ||
| Well, the first chapter of the book I wrote, American Muckraker, is called Suffering. | ||
| The first chapter is about pain, and I read, because of Jordan Peterson, Gulag Archipelago. | ||
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| The Solzhenitsyn guy talks about in the Gulags, and there's this one part of this story that just rarely resonated with me. | ||
| He's in the Gulags. | ||
| We always joke that I'm going to go to the Gulags, right? | ||
| Joke? | ||
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| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe it's happening. | ||
| Yeah, but is that the worst outcome? | ||
| Like RFK told me, which is very profound, I said, aren't you worried that these pharmaceutical companies are going to kill you? | ||
| And he goes, there are things in life worse than dying. | ||
| So Solzhenitsyn says he's in the gulags and there's a hunger strike. | ||
| And he writes about this, because when you're on a hunger strike, you retain some of your own power over the guards. | ||
| And that gives you a sense of empowerment, because now you have the power over the forces of evil that are imprisoning you. | ||
| And one of the guys in the hunger strike decides, you know what, I'm too hungry, I'm going to go eat that piece of bread. | ||
| And I'm paraphrasing, but Zolzhenitsyn describes that the pain of, these people are all starving, he's starving to death, the pain of the betrayal of the comrade who ate the bread was so much greater than the pain of the starvation. | ||
| So to your point about suffering, it's like, what I've been through I don't view it as a bad thing because I think that pain completes the process of muscle development. | ||
| And I have zero regrets. | ||
| It is going to make me a more effective messenger. | ||
| It's going to make me understand who's real and who's good and who's phony and who's fake. | ||
| And that's a good thing. | ||
| That's a good thing. We want to know who's going to eat that bread. | ||
| And I always say to my colleagues, don't eat the bread in the gulags, all right? | ||
| Don't eat that bread. | ||
| Well, when we find ourselves in that gulag, James, I will share my bread with you. | ||
| Fair point. | ||
| We're gonna go to Super Chats if you haven't already. | ||
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| the prisons the prisons weren't actually called gulags there are no fair point | ||
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| He is indeed, he is indeed. | ||
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| Brandon Smith says, took a bag of Appalachian Nights to work today. | ||
| Figured a Navy base in San Diego is the perfect place for it. | ||
| By the way, it's delicious. | ||
| I really do appreciate it. | ||
| And, uh, I gotta say, you know, we, we put this blend together. | ||
| It's a bit darker than your typical dark roast, not as dark as an espresso roast. | ||
| Cause I like, I like all coffee to be completely honest. | ||
| The Rise of the Berto Jr. | ||
| is a light roast and it's super, I love it. | ||
| But man, that Appalachian Nights, it gets me. | ||
| I ended up chugging my breakfast coffee. | ||
| Normally I was sipping it. | ||
| I'd be sipping it. | ||
| Now I'm just slamming it. | ||
| All right, let's grab some more Super Chats. | ||
| Laurel says, run a coffee option for James with a percent of the profits going to OMG. | ||
| You can call it James O'Coffeef. | ||
| Sure, yeah. | ||
| We'll make a specific blend and then we'll have all the proceeds go to OMG. | ||
| My thing is, so long as we can... Here's what I always tell everybody, like, look. | ||
| If this company, this coffee company, sets up a bunch of different coffee shops, I think we'll end up franchising because we just want to get the ball rolling. | ||
| I don't care to be the CEO of a multi-billion dollar coffee company that's meaningless to me. | ||
| What I do care about... | ||
| is pulling into a shop, into a strip mall to, you know, with my friends and we're in the middle of like Omaha. | ||
| And then all of a sudden like, did you set up a cast brew here? | ||
| No, I thought you did. | ||
| And we're like, oh, we go inside. | ||
| And then there's the new OMG report playing on the TV with James O'Keefe. | ||
| And so you get some suburban mom and she goes, it's like, I just want a cold brew with some, some half and half. | ||
| And then while she's waiting, there's James O'Keefe in the TV being like breaking news. | ||
| We got a new report about Act Blue, blah, blah, blah. | ||
| And she goes, I didn't know that. | ||
| Creating spaces where regular people will be exposed to the positive influence of all the people that in this field, the work you're doing, that's our mission with the coffee shop and the coffee company. | ||
| So, absolutely, we can launch. | ||
| Good work, thank you. | ||
| We'll make an OMG coffee, we'll sell it on the website and we'll give you all the profits. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Breaking news. | ||
| He only offered me half of the profits for the one he and I are going to do together. | ||
| This is a very special offer. | ||
| Very special for James O'Keefe. | ||
| Well, the thing about, and this is true actually, the split rev with Seamus is that we're literally just selling a coffee for profit. | ||
| Also, no one wants to buy mine. | ||
| What's it called? | ||
| I'm kidding, we're working on it. | ||
| We had a couple ideas, but we're still probably tweaking it before we announce. | ||
| I suppose it might sound a little crude, but, you know, the reason I say this for James is that we want to fund the work. | ||
| No, I was just kidding. | ||
| I was just giving you a hard time. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| It's because you want to fund his stuff. | ||
| That's good. | ||
| Yeah, we want to fund your stuff, too. | ||
| No, I know. | ||
| I appreciate it. | ||
| But, you know, cartoons are substantially less important than exposure. | ||
| They're not important, exactly. | ||
| Are you gonna put a cartoon image on your bag? | ||
| I'm only half kidding, actually. | ||
| Oh, um, yeah, no, we were talking about that. | ||
| Yeah, Freedom Tunes. | ||
| Cartoon Seamus. | ||
| And a limited edition run where- Sipping some coffee. | ||
| If you want to own the specific art of the Seamus blend or whatever. | ||
| Yeah, it takes six weeks to print the bags and then, you know, like seven to ten days to do the roasting, but we'll figure it out. | ||
| Coffee Boy Coghlan, they call you. | ||
| And I'm just saying this on air, I don't even know if James wants a coffee or whatever, I don't want to- I would love, love, that's a great idea, I'd love that. | ||
| No, I was honestly just giving you a hard time. | ||
| Are you a big coffee guy, James? | ||
| Probably more like pre-workouts than coffee. | ||
| Coffee kind of makes me crash, but I'll make an exception. | ||
| Oh, solid. | ||
| All right, Steven says, James, from the lawsuit, it looks like Project Veritas is suing to make you not be a person. | ||
| Is that their goal? | ||
| I quit supporting them since you left. | ||
| Um, I would say, um, I would say that, how do I address this? | ||
| Um, let me, let me choose my words carefully here. | ||
| Um, that if they, if they can't, if they, give me one moment to collect my thoughts. | ||
| Um, if they can't, If they exist without me, then some have said that they have to stop me from doing what I'm doing. | ||
| It was said by someone somewhere. | ||
| It was a statement to the effect of, we have to destroy James O'Keefe in order to save ourselves. | ||
| Now you explain that one to me. | ||
| It just doesn't make sense. | ||
| It's the inverse. | ||
| If they came out and said, we're sorry things went this way, we appreciate all the work James has done, we wish him the best, we hope that he succeeds, and we would like to succeed as well, they'd be way better off. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, like I said, I support everyone doing this. | ||
| There should be more organizations doing this. | ||
| I don't think you should stop a journalist from exposing corruption with money that was donated in order to expose corruption. | ||
| That doesn't make any sense to me. | ||
| It almost feels like the intention was to destroy Veritas. | ||
| And some would say that they're trying to be me, but nobody can be me. | ||
| But I do wish people the best. | ||
| I want people to expose what needs to be exposed. | ||
| And I think we can coexist, and I think we should. | ||
| We need more organizations doing this. | ||
| I think we need more non-profits, NGOs, whatever you want to call it. | ||
| Non-profits are tough, though, with boards, because again, you have that same problem we talked about throughout the program, which the board has to be very strong. | ||
| Well, and also, I mean, just that statement, we need to destroy him to save ourselves. | ||
| You know, to go out of your way to destroy someone for your own benefit, that's demonic. | ||
| Like, that's a complete inversion. | ||
| We have an important one from Crackling. | ||
| It says to James, what happened to Retracto the alpaca? | ||
| Will OMG have a new mascot? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The retracto was the mascot that Andrew Breitbart came up with. | ||
| We were thinking back in 2010 when I was arrested, there needs to be an, you know, an anthropomorphic creature to represent all the defamation. | ||
| And he's like, what about an alpaca? | ||
| And we just laughed till we cried. | ||
| We have correcto. | ||
| Oh, you do have it. | ||
| I gave that to you. | ||
| The llama. | ||
| No, that one we bought. | ||
| That one we bought. | ||
| It was a knockoff. | ||
| So we call it correcto. | ||
| Correcto. | ||
| Because correcto is not for when other people correct about you. | ||
| It's for when we issue corrections for our mistakes. | ||
| It's the inversion of it. | ||
| And we did it as kind of a play on it. | ||
| Do you have a theme song? | ||
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No, but... Retracto, the correction alpaca. | |
| Retracto, he's coming at ya. | ||
| It's really good. | ||
| What mascot should we do, I guess is my question. | ||
| What do you want the OMG mascot to be? | ||
| A llama! | ||
| Is Retracto in the divorce? | ||
| Is Retracto gonna spend visitation with... That's not up to me. | ||
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Oh. | |
| I'm not... Maybe on the weekends? | ||
| Is that the same as the one you have? | ||
| A salamander. | ||
| Is it the same kind of? | ||
| It's the same exact sort of thing. | ||
| Oh, a gecko! | ||
| In fact, I have some of those. | ||
| The scarf that it's wearing is actual alpaca hair scarf. | ||
| I did not know that. | ||
| Dude, you should do like a camouflage animal. | ||
| Yeah, we got some alpaca farm. | ||
| Like a gecko or something that can camouflage into the wall? | ||
| It's called a chameleon. | ||
| Chameleon? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I'll take that under advisement. | ||
| I have to think about a mascot. | ||
| There's a lot of lies, defamation, slander, and I did this series every other week about About that, and that'll continue. | ||
| Have you considered a chicken, perhaps? | ||
| Why a chicken? | ||
| They're known for their intelligence and bravery. | ||
| Roosters! | ||
| Roosters? | ||
| Roosters will sacrifice themselves to save their hens. | ||
| Really? | ||
| Yeah, and so, you know, I take, and everybody who watches this show knows this because I've said it 8,000 times, but a rooster will run full speed to its own death to fight a predator if it buys time for the hens to escape. | ||
| I think we may have a decision here. | ||
| The noble rooster. | ||
| And everybody makes fun of chickens. | ||
| Because you need a big pair. | ||
| Here's what I don't like. | ||
| All animals are scared. | ||
| Call people a rabbit, you silly rabbit, when people are scared. | ||
| Case in point. | ||
| But male rabbits and female rabbits will both equally flee. | ||
| But a small rooster, if you walk into that coop, the rooster will attack you. | ||
| They're brave. | ||
| They got cojones. | ||
| It takes testicular fortitude to do this. | ||
| I'll have to think about this one, Tim, but I will continue that. | ||
| I've got a lot of plans. | ||
| I can't say what they all are, but I love doing the retracto because it was like little wins. | ||
| It was like getting them to get retracto. | ||
| Little victories. | ||
| Everyone loves accountability against journalists. | ||
|
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Yeah, how dare you expose the Washington Post venerable institution. | |
| This is like you do it. | ||
| How dare you sir? | ||
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How dare you? | |
| It's a respectable institution. | ||
| They wrote an article about why Star Wars is racist. | ||
| Perhaps it used to be that way where they were the uppity elitists who thought they were doing good. | ||
| But now they're more demonic than that. | ||
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Like how dare you James expose us. | |
| But secretly some of them are like rooting for me. | ||
| They're like DMing me. | ||
| They slide into my DMs. | ||
| Nice. | ||
| We like what you're doing there. | ||
| I just don't want to tell you. | ||
| Here's all the illegal things I'm doing by the way. | ||
| Here's an important one, I gotta read it. | ||
| Eric Miller says, James, you're the hero of truth and what you're dealing with is the hero's suffering. | ||
| To be a hero comes with a price sometimes. | ||
| It's what or who you love the most. | ||
| But you keep us honest and sow the seed of courage and encourage us all to fight. | ||
| I think there might be a title. | ||
| I think this is like, you said the subjects treat their undercover meetings like therapy. | ||
| In many ways, this Tim Pool show is like therapy for me. | ||
| And I would say that some days are really, really hard. | ||
| I think we all know that. | ||
| It's like life, right? | ||
| Some days suck. | ||
| I mean, this is extreme highs and extreme low business. | ||
| And there are some days where I literally can't even begin to describe How insurmountable it all feels. | ||
| What do you do for fun? | ||
| Sailing. | ||
| I'm a big sailboat guy. | ||
| I got a sailboat. | ||
| I've sailed up and down the Northeast. | ||
| Oh wow. | ||
| I love that because sailing is like, it captivates all of your senses. | ||
| It's physics. | ||
| It's physical. | ||
| It's math. | ||
| It's balance. | ||
| It's symphonic. | ||
| You're one with nature. | ||
| There's no engine. | ||
| You can like sail sort of against the wind by like moving the sail? | ||
| You can, so in sailing, you can sail, the closest you get to the true wind, it's like a pizza pie, you can sail 45 degrees off the wind. | ||
| That's called close heel, close haul. | ||
| And you like go left and right or whatever? | ||
| And when you, when you, when you go off the wind, you release the sail, which is a greater degree of angle against the wind. | ||
| So it's called close hauled up against the wind, and the boat heels, and you're only going like eight miles an hour, but Eight miles an hour to me, sailing feels like jumping out of an airplane. | ||
| Super cool. | ||
| Very nice. | ||
| All right, what do we got here? | ||
| Thomas TJG says, can Target and Bud be sued by their stockholders for neglect of fiduciary duties? | ||
| Well, the answer is literally 100%. | ||
| Yes, you can sue a ham sandwich in this country. | ||
| Will you succeed? | ||
| I think the answer is Probably yes. | ||
| I'm not saying 99%, it might be like 51. | ||
| But I lean towards, in my complete lack of legal experience, which, like, I have none, but I do believe we've heard stories of shareholders suing because, I mean, look, Bud Light, we had the story, we didn't get into any of this stuff, they actually just made another major contribution to a woke non-profit or something. | ||
| There's literally no business reason to give hundreds of thousands of dollars to pride events, especially after your customers are abandoning you, abandoning you to the tune of 30% of your sales. | ||
| If you hold stock in Budweiser, in Anheuser-Busch, I have to imagine you have a very strong legal case that they are intentionally destroying the value of their company and neglecting their duties to you, the shareholder. | ||
| I mean, that's insane. | ||
| People are saying, like, we're boycotting your brand, and then they go, I got an idea, let's donate more money to the exact same thing people are protesting. | ||
| That's that impact investment, and it'll be an interesting precedent to see if a company takes a hundred million of their dollars and puts it towards some social cause that makes no money for their... | ||
| For their investors, but they say, but it has social impact that will benefit you in the long run, stakeholder. | ||
| Then there might be some court cases and be like, no, this is purely fiscal. | ||
| I don't care about the cleanliness of the air. | ||
| I gave you money. | ||
| I want money. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| I think there's precedent if they keep dumping money for impact though. | ||
| Paul Tascalo says, James, I'll provide you with free legal consultation. | ||
| I can save you tens of thousands of dollars by just auditing your legal bills. | ||
| You don't need good lawyers. | ||
| You need a monster with a law degree. | ||
| Raise his hand. | ||
| Raise his hand. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, please, please. | ||
| It's James at O'KeefeMediaGroup.com. | ||
| Send me an email. | ||
| Why not? | ||
| I just gave out my email address. | ||
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Who cares? | |
| But hey, if you get a hundred emails and you got to go through all of them, but it's like, hey, I can do this for you. | ||
| I can do this for you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, thank you. | ||
| And it's tough. | ||
| That's probably, I can't emphasize to you guys enough that the managing the lawyers is hard. | ||
| It's really hard. | ||
| And the lawyers also don't want you to say anything. | ||
| If you're an executive, you have to make executive decisions. | ||
| The lawyers resent you for that. | ||
| Once I had a lawyer say, you're putting my reputation at risk by basically being you. | ||
| It's like, dude, you work for me. | ||
| Like, I'm the client, and you're making three times more money than me, which is fine, but don't give me that crap. | ||
| So that's probably, that's something I'm still learning how to do, is manage lawyers, manage their legal bills, and you know, and so thank you, whoever you are. | ||
| What was his name? | ||
| What was his? | ||
| Paul? | ||
| Paul Taskalos. | ||
| Paul, yeah, send me a note, and we'll talk, we'll touch base. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Make sure you don't get three or four emails from four different Paul Taskalos. | ||
| Don Jr. | ||
| mentioned this, by the way, too, when he was on our show about the fact that his lawyers were advising him not to speak out about certain things, and it ended up working out very well for him that he did. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Shakenbake says, Ian, keep moving towards the light. | ||
| You're almost there. | ||
| Almost, but you will never truly get there. | ||
| You can only get halfway closer. | ||
| In ten years, Ian is going to be telling Seamus how he's wrong about his faith and how, you know, like he's straying from the light. | ||
| Dude, we're on the... He's going to have his hair cut, he's going to be wearing a suit, he's going to be wearing a cusp. | ||
| You're saying, oh, Ian's going to be like hardcore, like Trad Cat, like further than me. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| There's a magnificent, uh... | ||
| Religious reformation happening right now where all these global religions are coming together with technology and psychoactive drugs and people are like trying to figure out the new story we're gonna tell. | ||
| I think we already told the greatest story ever told. | ||
| I think it really happened. | ||
| Time moves backwards and forwards at the same time. | ||
| That wasn't exactly what I had in mind. | ||
| Angry Marsupial says, I left a 14-year journalism career behind in 2009 because I saw behind the curtain and became completely disillusioned. | ||
| Corruption in media, government, corporations. | ||
| Keep fighting the good fight, gents. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| Yup. | ||
| Yeah, I think a lot of it is not even necessarily good and evil, just sometimes it's just chaos. | ||
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Like, trying to create order out of chaos. | |
| Yes, you're right. | ||
| There's a lot of evil, though. | ||
| I worked in non-profits. | ||
| And small ones I saw did pretty good, but I saw an untold amount of corruption, lies, manipulation from the biggest to the smallest. | ||
| All they cared about was their bottom line, like any company. | ||
| God, that's so gross. | ||
| And so, I would say most of the nonprofits I worked at actually told their staff to lie to people to raise money. | ||
| And I'm like, that's fraud, dude. | ||
| Well, no, you see, so I'm like, I'm out. | ||
| I'm not going to do this anymore. | ||
| There's a quote by Eric Hoffer, every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket. | ||
| So I found that when I worked in DC when I was 21, I was like, I got to get out of here. | ||
| Like, it's crazy. | ||
| They can't actually solve the problem because then they can't raise money to try to solve the problem. | ||
| It's like they can't actually succeed. | ||
| So you really have to be hyper-vigilant if you're gonna keep that group motivated. | ||
| You have to, again, your leadership has to be incorruptible. | ||
| Power tends to corrupt. | ||
| Absolute power corrupts absolutely. | ||
| But Lord Acton said power tends to corrupt. | ||
| It doesn't always corrupt, but it sure tends to. | ||
| S.A. | ||
| Federale says, so many white pills! | ||
| Hearing how motivated you all are to keep doing this. | ||
| Love you guys. | ||
| Love you, S.A. | ||
| Yeah, I wonder what it is. | ||
| You know, I really do. | ||
| Why is it that, James, you are unwavering in your commitment to a strong moral foundation and exposing malfeasance and corruption? | ||
| Well, I'm not perfect. | ||
| I have my fallibilities, and I think we all know what those are. | ||
| Tough guy to work for. | ||
| Don't ask you how your holidays were. | ||
| Demanding, perfectionist, exacting taskmaster. | ||
| I'm not perfect. | ||
| I'm pretty disorganized. | ||
| I don't… I think in many ways I was raised by two really good people who… I didn't realize this until my mid-30s. | ||
| I'm 38. | ||
| I have a really good mother and father who were very down-to-earth people. | ||
| My grandfather and father worked really hard. | ||
| doing property maintenance, I help them. | ||
| And that kind of instilled in me kind of a work ethic. | ||
| But I also feel like, again, going back to you as a musician, | ||
| you and I have that in common. | ||
| I'm a musician, I DJ, I'm in musical theater. | ||
| I just love the artistic aspects of this. | ||
| And I think a good work of art can last a long time. | ||
| And I think the good, the true, and the beautiful. | ||
| That's the only way that I can keep doing this. | ||
| If I focus on the political things or even the business aspects of it, it just drives me nuts. | ||
| All my people always go back to the thing that drives us, which is showing, telling the story. | ||
| I don't know if that makes sense, but that's what drives us. | ||
| The way I see it, What are you gonna do with your fifth house, with your third car, right? | ||
| I see these big celebrities, I see this baseball player, right? | ||
| What was his salary? | ||
| Like three million dollars, someone mentioned? | ||
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For one year, yeah. | |
| And so this guy comes out and he's like, I'm so sorry, I'll be re-educated or whatever. | ||
| And I'm like, bro, millions of dollars. | ||
| What are you gonna do with that? | ||
| I just genuinely don't get it. | ||
| I don't understand this guy's like, well, my kids need a vacation home. | ||
| I'm like, bro, your kids need a bright future and an opportunity and a just and moral society. | ||
| And he has sold that out so that he can partake in massive amounts of money that he can't adequately spend, like reasonably. | ||
| Look, I get it. | ||
| If you've got a couple million bucks in the bank, you're going to be set for a long time. | ||
| Your family's taken care of and you can have really nice things and experience really great things in life. | ||
| But I'm looking at it like, if you could buy anything, wouldn't you rather buy a just society for your children? | ||
| Great point. | ||
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Amen. | |
| Amen. | ||
| What else is there worth buying? | ||
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I don't know. | |
| And I've met a number of philanthropists worth hundreds of millions or a billion dollars who almost grab their colleagues at the country club by the collar and say, are you kidding me? | ||
| You've got 16 Ferraris, 500 grand can buy. | ||
| can buy this group doing the right thing, and buy a piece of justice. | ||
| It's a really, really good point. | ||
| And I've done fundraisers where I speak about these very issues, and I'm done. | ||
| I mean, just so the audience knows, I drive a Kia, and I have a scooter, for real. | ||
| I do have a sailboat. | ||
| That's the one thing I said I wanted. | ||
| I said, I want a sailboat. | ||
| You deserve a sailboat, dude. | ||
| Like Musk says, I got my private plane. | ||
| Okay, I got my sailboat. | ||
| But like, I gave these speeches about like, guys, like this is about the principles and virtue and truth and justice. | ||
| And in 30 seconds after, the lady's like, so tell me about your curtain rods. | ||
| And they just transition into this material vanity bullshit. | ||
| And it's frustrating. | ||
| I'm trying to shake people awake. | ||
| I'm trying to make people care. | ||
| That's why the company's called OMG. | ||
| I got this feeling that if and when you die, that God is there and it explains to you what you could have done to make it right. | ||
| And like all this day we wake up and instead today I'm going to go eat, I'm going to get the coffee, I'm going to play another game of this make money lifestyle, but like in reality we could get online and make so much noise and effective change and I think you're faced with that upon your Reconciliation and it's like god damn it Why didn't I just do it while I was alive? | ||
| And this this desire to go back and make it right and then we come back and we forget that at all That that that that was there and you have to relearn that and then you just got to force yourself, man but let's lonely existence take that idea and Put it into your current life right now. | ||
| Think about where you're at right now and what you wish you did 10 years ago to enact something positive. | ||
| Now think about where you are right now and what your future self will be thinking about this very moment. | ||
| Hindsight is 20-20, of course, so you don't know everything. | ||
| But you may. | ||
| In 10 years, I bet I'm going to say, I should have done that one thing. | ||
| And then you probably should do it. | ||
| Let's read this one. | ||
| This is an important one. | ||
| Quantum Strange Cork says, James, please make a way to donate five to ten bucks a month on your website. | ||
| A lot can't afford a subscription, but still want to donate. | ||
| Yeah, if you go to our website right now, we have a C4 and a C3. | ||
| I'm not on the board. | ||
| You can donate to help us pay our legal bills. | ||
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What's that site? | |
| I post it on my Telegram page, too. | ||
| It's jameszookief on Telegram, and I've tweeted it out. | ||
| It's on our website. | ||
| You just go there, scroll down, and you can donate to a group That will help pay our legal bills. | ||
| This one's for you, James. | ||
| Matt from South Dakota says, I met my wife because of James. | ||
| He gave me a VIP ticket to the Project Veritas Experience last year, and I met a homeschooled girl from California. | ||
| We were married six months later. | ||
| I was the guy that told him to GTFO on the phone. | ||
| Do you remember? | ||
| I think so, but my comment on this is so many people have had babies because of me, it's like wild. | ||
| I heard so many people got married, like Hannah Giles, my colleague who did the acorn story, married Joe Basil who was in a jail cell with me in Louisiana. | ||
| There are so many stories like that. | ||
| Former colleague of mine, Brandon, got married to a fundraiser. | ||
| All these families and babies were created. | ||
| Now I gotta catch up, I gotta have babies at some point. | ||
| Yeah, me too! | ||
| Does anyone here have a family? | ||
| No, we don't gotta do it. | ||
| Nah, we're working on it. | ||
| Yeah, whatever the millennial generation is suffering. | ||
| Something, you know. | ||
| But I do think everyone here is actively working on it, so. | ||
| Yeah, baby. | ||
| O'Keefe, media groups up top. | ||
| I'm also the youngest, so... Yeah, I'm the oldest. | ||
| I blame you guys. | ||
| I'm gonna shame you guys. | ||
| How old are you? | ||
| I'm 28, so I'm still... I'm 44. | ||
| Dude, back in the day, I would've had like 12 kids by now and built a log cabin for them to live in. | ||
| How many kids do you guys want to have? | ||
| As many as God sends me. | ||
| Good answer. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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Wow. | |
| Do you guys have a number in mind? | ||
| No. | ||
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50. | |
| 500! | ||
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50,000! | |
| All right. | ||
| Cindy Drellick says, I love James more than Luke and Ian's hair. | ||
| So much respect to James for all he's accomplished despite all the pushback. | ||
| Working in healthcare, we have experienced so many deaths due to complications of existing conditions. | ||
| Nothing to see here, folks. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's sad. | ||
| All right, what do we got here? | ||
| Kevin Lee says, James, keep on exposing, and we do all need to address the corruption wherever we are. | ||
| Only way it will get better is if we get our hands dirty and get in the game. | ||
| And sometimes, and you know, going back to the Solzhenitsyn quote in the Gulag Archipelago, the line that separates good and evil runs through each and every one of us. | ||
| And this is like the Peterson, Jordan Peterson talks about like, We all have the capacity to do evil. | ||
| And when I went through what I went through, particularly in court and most recently, I could actually feel, I could feel the presence of evil, almost like trying to infiltrate my wounds, like trying to get inside of me. | ||
| I was like warding it off. | ||
| I was like fighting these forces that were trying to get inside of me or something like that. | ||
| And I know that sounds crazy, but I realize this is like a spiritual battle. | ||
| And in many ways, it's never the enemy. | ||
| Like, the enemy, the devil you know. | ||
| Okay, fight the enemy. | ||
| We have great people, many of them are commenting right now, watching this podcast. | ||
| Thank you so much, everyone. | ||
| But it's like, I have to be strong enough to prevent myself from being co-opted, corrupted, influenced, softened. | ||
| I have to be strong as a human being. | ||
| And as long as they don't take away my spirit, I can keep going. | ||
| But I can't be co-opted. | ||
| It's a fight that I have to fight within myself. | ||
| So do you get sunlight? | ||
| Is that like part of it? | ||
| Because I've noticed that I feel like spiritual resilience when I get enough sunlight. | ||
| And grounding. | ||
| Yeah, literally bare feet in the grass. | ||
| Do you do that kind of stuff? | ||
| Touch grass. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I mean, for me, it's being out on the water, taking a walk, just looking at nature. | ||
| Yes, that's part of it. | ||
| That's why we're out here. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| That's part of it. | ||
| You gotta pray. | ||
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Amen. | |
| You gotta pray. | ||
| I feel that. | ||
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| So smash that like button, you can follow the show at TimCast IRL, you can follow me at TimCast. | ||
| James, do you want to shout anything out? | ||
| Thank you all. | ||
| This has been one of the most amazing, amazing interviews slash discussions I've ever done. | ||
| And my main shout out is okeefmediagroup.com. | ||
| On that website, you can donate to our legal defense fund, which I encourage everyone to do. | ||
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| You can sign up to be a journalist. | ||
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| Go to our website. | ||
| Every one of you can afford this. | ||
| One of those three things. | ||
| One of them is free. | ||
| Signing up to be a journalist doesn't cost you anything. | ||
| So, you know, there's my pitch. | ||
| O'KeefeMediaGroup.com. | ||
| And thank you, Tim, for doing this. | ||
| Thanks for coming. | ||
| Yeah, Seamus Coghlan, Freedom Tunes, we make cartoons, and if you guys want to check those out, we'll be uploading one tomorrow. | ||
| And yeah, I also want to shout out what James is doing, I think it's very important work. | ||
| Yeah, and people will follow you on Twitter, James, James O'Keefe, I-I-I, which indicates the third. | ||
| Yes, James O'Keefe the third, James O'Keefe, I-I-I on Twitter. | ||
| You mentioned the RFK, Robert F. Kennedy podcast. | ||
| Do you have a podcast now that you're doing? | ||
| I just started it yesterday. | ||
| Awesome! | ||
| Is this on YouTube? | ||
| It's behind our paywall, but we're putting out snippets on social media, and it's behind our paywall, and it's going to be different than the commentary. | ||
| It's going to be in-depth, sort of journalistic, because a lot of the stuff I don't do under cover work. | ||
| I'm talking to a source, they have documents, and I'm interviewing. | ||
| Almost like a mini-documentary podcast. | ||
| Oh man, that's awesome. | ||
| Bi-weekly, bi-weekly. | ||
| I'm looking forward to seeing it, dude. | ||
| Great to see you again. | ||
| I'm Ian Crossland, catch you guys later. | ||
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And Surge.com, that was quite the conversation. | |
| I'm excited for the after show, if everyone's going to call in. | ||
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Again, I'm at Surge.com on Twitter. | |
| Let's go to it. | ||
| We will see you all over at TimCast.com. |
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