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Timcast IRL - Durham Report CONFIRMS Soft Coup Against Trump, Dem Media PANICS w/Natalie Winters
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tim pool
Last night, the Durham report was released and it basically confirms what most of us
knew, that there was a soft coup staged against the Trump administration, first to stop him
from winning, then to stop him from actually being president.
This wasn't three days of chaos, it was three years intended to disrupt the presidential administration in this country.
It was so damning, this report, that even CNN came out and Jake Tapper's like, It essentially, it almost exonerates Trump!
Like almost, like it literally does.
The report says that there was no evidence, no corroboration, and the FBI was pursuing this anyway.
This is, in my opinion, criminal.
Now, of course, the argument from the FBI is there's no evidence of anything criminal, but I think that's letting them off the hook lightly because it's all about criminal interpretation, so I definitely want to get into greater detail as we go into the Durham Report's findings, but I do want to point out even CNN saying like, This looks bad.
And that's bad because CNN doesn't want to do it.
Here's a funny thing, though.
Newsmax is now beating CNN in the ratings.
So, yeah.
Sorry, CNN.
You're out.
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So, a lot of good news.
A lot of good news.
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And I want to talk about Patriot Front because Joe Rogan, on his show was basically like, those guys are feds, no
question.
And my favorite point someone made was that, you know, Patriot Front is feds because not a single person in the
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And they're like, everybody knows that when you see a bunch of like,
right wing Patriot dudes with guns and armor, they're overweight.
And so, right, yeah, Seamus, he can't help himself.
seamus coughlin
That's actually really funny.
tim pool
But it's a fair point.
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They're wearing khakis and boots.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Natalie Winters.
natalie winters
Hi, thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited to be here with you guys.
tim pool
Thanks for being here.
Who are you?
What do you do?
natalie winters
So I am the co-host and executive editor of Steve Bannon's War Room.
Used to be and still sort of am an investigative reporter primarily focusing on Chinese Communist Party.
Infiltration, which of course dovetails with the origins of COVID, did a lot of reporting on Hunter Biden's hard drive.
I like to kind of footnote a lot of the statements that people make about really the amazing extent to which the Chinese Communist Party curries influence and favor in the United States.
tim pool
Right on.
Well, thanks for joining us.
seamus coughlin
It should be fun.
tim pool
Thank you.
We got Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Got Seamus over here.
My name's Seamus Coghlan.
tim pool
Who's laughing throughout the whole intro.
seamus coughlin
I'm sorry, dude.
That's hysterical.
That's such a good point.
That's such a good point.
But I have a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes where we upload cartoons.
We're going to have one on Thursday that I think you all are going to enjoy a whole lot.
And if you want, you can become a member at freedomtunes.com to support my work.
Pretty based.
unidentified
Cool.
hannah claire brimelow
And I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for timcast.com.
serge du preez
And I am back today.
Kellen has stopped bullying me, so I'm on the air.
tim pool
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But let's jump into this first story.
We have this from humanevents.com.
Durham report reveals FBI Democrats staged soft coup of Trump administration by Libby Emmons.
And I would like to stress, I believe this is NewsGuard certified human events.
That means it is true facts information.
The Durham report begun in May 2019.
was intended to investigate allegations that President Trump had engaged in collusion
collusion with Russia to alter the 2016 presidential election.
What it what it found instead was an effort to undermine Trump's presidency,
the confidence of the American people in his administration, and to fuel media and Democrat
resentment and hatred for the man they would sooner have shot on Fifth Avenue than seen
take the White House. That's some pretty good writing, Libby.
They say, quote, Our investigators determined that the crossfire hurricane
investigators did not and could not corroborate any of the substantive allegations contained in
the Steele reporting, not not was Steele able to nor was Steele able to produce corroboration
for any of the reported allegations, even after being offered one million dollars or more by the
FBI for such corroboration.
The report reads later.
It goes further to say that the information was known to be rumor and speculation.
Democrats planted fake evidence and then used it against Trump in order to justify their assumptions about his guilt.
The FBI used that for probable cause to further an investigation without any basis at all.
Within days of their receipt, the report reads, the unvetted and unverified Steele reports were used to support probable cause in the FBI's FISA applications targeting Page, a U.S.
citizen who, for a period of time, had been an advisor to Trump.
As discussed later in the report, this was done at a time when the FBI knew that the same information Steele had provided to the FBI had also been fed to the media and others in Washington D.C.
I'd like to give you a simplified version so you can understand what's going on.
The FBI says no criminal culpability for a lot of these people.
I think they're saying like, you know, Hillary Clinton, nothing was overtly criminal.
Here's how I see it.
Imagine one day a guy is walking past a bank carrying a burlap sack and he walks up to the bank steps, drops the bag and walks away.
Did he commit a crime?
Of course not!
He just threw a burlap sack on the stairs of a bank.
Another guy walking into the bank to cash a paycheck sees the burlap sack and says, oh, somebody must have accidentally left it outside.
Picks it up, carries it inside, throws it on the ground in front of the counter, cashes the check and leaves.
Another guy crumples up a note walking past the bank and throws it through an open window.
You get where I'm going with this.
One by one, each of these individuals did a small thing.
No single person walked into that bank, demanded money, filled a bag full of cash, and fled.
But each of these individuals did one thing that, if you were to analyze in and of itself, was not criminal.
But altogether, After all this goes down, the bank teller did fill the burlap sack with money, and then somebody did carry it outside, then someone else put it in the back of a truck, then someone else drove that truck away, and when the FBI comes and interviews all of these individuals, they'll say, look, I don't know any of these guys.
This was just in the public, and I stumbled upon it, and the money was taken from the bank and driven to a secret hideout.
What happened with the Trump-Russia collusion was that Democrats who wanted Trump destroyed, members of the media who wanted Trump destroyed, all claimed they used publicly available information to destroy Donald Trump's presidency, from the FBI claiming it was in the media so we had to look into it.
But the story in the media came from speculation from people in the FBI.
It was one big circular scheme.
And I think the only reason Durham's saying it's not criminal is because he's going easy on these people.
Criminal indictments are interpretable.
And I think anybody looking at what these people did could say, if Adam Schiff goes on TV, and he did, and says he has more than circumstantial evidence proving this, Then there should be some kind of criminal referral.
And we should not sit back and allow all of these people to destroy a presidency.
Because I'll tell you where we're at right now.
If nothing comes of this, if the extent of the Durham Report is, yes, they all did something bad, but it wasn't criminal, then there's no country anymore.
Because what's to stop any political party from doing the exact same thing to make sure no other person can have a presidential administration again?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
So if nobody here broke the law, that is an indictment of our laws as they currently stand.
So just to go over some of the points that were made in the Durham report.
Significant reliance on investigating leads that were funded by Trump's opposition occurred.
They did not and could not corroborate any of the substantive allegations made by the Steele report.
The investigation was not properly opened.
Information was not properly vetted.
It was carried out in an improper manner.
FBI officials So people can say, well, in the Durham report, there isn't any statement explicitly saying that there was an attempt at a deep state coup.
do their basic due diligence and the FBI warned the Clinton campaign of potential Russian
interference during the 2016 election, but did not warn the Trump campaign.
So people can say, well, in the Durham report, there isn't any statement explicitly saying
that there was an attempt at a deep state coup.
He's just saying that basically everyone who handled this investigation was behaving improperly
because of their bias against a sitting president.
Well, that's just a distinction without a difference.
I don't care if they all met in a cigar room and rubbed their hands together and laughed about the fact that they were trying to subvert the U.S.' 's democracy and the fact that we had a democratic election and people chose an outsider.
The fact is, what they were doing is functionally identical.
They were trying to use bad evidence to attempt to remove somebody from office who hadn't committed a crime.
natalie winters
I think to me, the most startling aspect of this whole story is that the Durham report with this Russia hoax that really was just the opening salvo of the deep states attempt to really nullify the Trump presidency.
So I think it's interesting if you sort of analyze the Trump term through this paradigm, what I mean by that the first impeachment attempt, the second impeachment attempt, the fact That the people who were running, you know, PPO, the presidential personnel office, the equivalent of HR in the White House, were a bunch of Bush Romney types, were very establishment Republicans.
So while it's important to focus on the Russia hoax angle of it, I think it also shows you the extent to which they were willing to go to.
To thwart the Trump presidency before he even became president, right, while he was still a candidate.
So you can only imagine how much they ratcheted up those efforts to go after Trump once he actually assumed office and assumed all the leverage, the powers that comes with being president.
So I think it's just it's such an interesting kind of paradigm to view all of the ways that the deep state Really did go after Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I think he's facing so many different types of lawsuits and investigations.
It's hard to count them all.
tim pool
What's a seditious conspiracy?
Seamus, do you know?
seamus coughlin
Well, I would say just based on the words, it's people conspiring to oppose legitimately elected authorities.
tim pool
So if, like, I don't know, a group of people had a plan to, say, like, disrupt a presidential administration, something like that, I mean, over the period of three years before his election, is that seditious?
I'm not gonna mince words here.
They convicted Proud Boys of seditious conspiracy.
Why?
Because they were at a protest riot on January 6th.
That's it.
A one-day thing.
natalie winters
The left has done the same thing, except instead of laundering their talking points through groups like the right does, say the Proud Boys or Patriot Run, all these different federally incited groups, They just do.
And I think sort of more highbrow, more high class through NGOs.
tim pool
This was three years of the FBI and Democrats and the media all working together to stop a presidential administration.
That is the biggest conspiracy this country has ever seen.
And the only thing The only, there's only one thing that they're claiming make, that makes it not a conspiracy is it was all an accident.
That's right.
Every lie from Schiff, every lie from the media, every action taken by the FBI, all coming together to create a massive Russia collusion investigation with Pulitzer Prizes.
Whoops!
All of the reporters, all of the Democrats, and all of the Feds slipped on a banana peel at the exact same time, did a backflip, landed perfectly, and won awards for it.
And it was just one big accident.
hannah claire brimelow
And are the awards going to be withdrawn?
I mean, this is what bothers me the most.
I know it's important to confirm to Revelations that the Durham Report produces, but...
Nothing's going to happen, right?
The Proud Boys are going to have to go back to court to argue that the text messages where they're saying, where should we meet up on January 6th, prove that they didn't have a plan for that day.
Meanwhile, no one involved in this is going to face conspiracy charges.
And I hate to turn this into grim cast, but it really is incredibly frustrating and disheartening.
There is no punishment for what happened.
tim pool
There can be.
When Trump gets reelected, I expect him to have an AG Start issuing these indictments.
Start convening grand juries.
Grand juries, they say, can indict a ham sandwich.
Bring it on.
Present the evidence and say, did these people conspire?
You know what?
I'll tell you this.
Tit for tat.
Let's play tit for tat.
If you're going to accuse Donald Trump of working for the Soviet Union, then we're going to accuse you of conspiracy because y'all did say these things.
Let's just go ahead and assume you did it on purpose.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Well, remember, Tim, what they're going to try to argue is that you're an insane conspiracy theorist for thinking that basically every relevant person within the deep state being tilted against Trump and trying to unseat him on bad evidence Isn't an actual coup, or is an actual coup, I'm sorry.
That's a bridge too far.
But them believing that the President of the United States literally colluded with Russia to rig the election, and he was an asset of Putin the entire time, is just reasonable thinking.
And without any evidence, they could say that on national television to the American people.
tim pool
Let's slow down there a second, Seamus.
Do you think the Democrats did what we know they did?
seamus coughlin
You know, it's a tough one, man.
I gotta be honest.
tim pool
Yes or no?
Yes or no?
seamus coughlin
I'm going to speak with my lawyer?
Yeah, of course.
tim pool
Conspiracy theory!
unidentified
Ah!
tim pool
I got you!
natalie winters
And by the way, I just have to say, I said, you know, a lot of my early career had to do with focusing on Chinese Communist Party infiltration.
If Donald Trump's cardinal sin was, you know, collaborating with the Russian government, which we know never happened, I mean, the people who are accusing him of doing that, that is like textbook projection in the sense that all of these, I actually used to do this, this can tell you what kind of social life I have, but if you used to look at the headlines that they would write on CNN, the New York Times, Washington Post, Fun, fun.
and linking him to Russia, you could basically cross out Trump and replace it,
often with Democrats, sometimes establishment Republicans, and then cross out Russia and put in China, because the
connections exist.
So this whole idea that there's this, you know, collaborating and collusion
with foreign governments, I'm like, Democrats, you guys wrote that playbook
when you started taking cash from Chinese Communist Party influence groups.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
And so we see how much the goalpost has moved over the years, right?
Back in 2016, Donald Trump colluded with the Russians.
We know he colluded with the Russians.
The entire thing is a farce.
The president is owned by the Kremlin.
And then, okay, well, maybe he colluded with them.
Okay, so, well, there's no evidence that he colluded with them, but the investigation was done in good faith.
Okay, well, the investigation wasn't done in good faith, and there were a lot of biases in it, and the FBI clearly played favorites by warning the Clinton campaign, not the Trump campaign, and they launched the investigation on bad information, but it wasn't a coup!
It was not an intended coup!
It's like, okay, I'm sure.
You know, every single thing you have said along the way since this investigation first
began since this Russiagate farce was incepted has been completely wrong.
And now you expect us to believe you when you say this wasn't a coup?
I'm sorry, we've run out of good faith.
tim pool
The lawyer involved in the first impeachment tweeted out when Trump, right before his inauguration,
we are going to impeach you.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
tim pool
Like they expressed their intent before there was any criminal accusations or any any potential wrongdoing or anything they could accuse him of.
They said, we will do it no matter what.
natalie winters
And meanwhile, in the same exact time frame.
The FBI, the Treasury Department was getting suspicious activity report after suspicious activity report based off the business dealings of Hunter Biden and all, you know, dozen Biden family members.
And they were actively suppressing that.
These are obviously politically exposed personnel's PEPs.
So they knew what Hunter Biden was doing from the financial transactions.
And it just shows you it's not even a double standard of justice, because that implies that we're in the same realm of standards.
It's otherworldly.
It's just ridiculous.
seamus coughlin
Yep, and I think that there's a lot to what you're saying, Hannah-Claire, about the fact that our institutions probably will not punish themselves for their wrongdoings.
I also hear what you're saying, Tim, about the fact that Trump being re-elected could mean that he actually would go after these people and they would be duly punished for their crimes against this nation.
But I will say one thing.
I believe that the real black pill is not that people who have information that could lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton die.
It's that no amount of information will ever lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton, right?
And that applies overall to this deep state.
Maybe Trump does get in.
Maybe he is able to appoint investigators.
It's certainly going to be an uphill battle, man.
tim pool
We should have titled today's episode Maybe it will.
Maybe it will.
will lead to the arrest of Hillary.
Like see what happens, you know?
Maybe it will.
Maybe it will.
Maybe when Trump gets back in office, he will finally follow through with locking up Hillary
Clinton because, I mean, this is it.
It was the Democrats.
It was the Clintons.
It was Obama.
They were trying to intentionally smear Donald Trump to win an election, and they framed him as a traitor to this country.
hannah claire brimelow
And the headlines are going to be, Donald Trump uses justice system for his own vindictive means to an end.
I mean, even if we were to get some of these officials behind bars to have to publicly face what they have done to the American people, not just Donald Trump, but to the people who supported him, right?
There is no way that the media lets this go, right?
Even now, I mean, I think part of this time is exactly what you're saying, the timeline you laid out of being like, there definitely was a problem all the way to like, well, there wasn't anything and also we are biased and we're sort of admitting it.
By now they're gonna be like, well but he just got found guilty in this case and he's being investigated over here and let's talk to Alvin Bragg and it almost doesn't matter because they were just waiting to come up with something else to try and hold against Trump and it is honestly astounding.
I don't know that we'll ever see anything like it in our lifetime of someone they hate more than Donald Trump.
I mean it's truly unbelievable the lengths that mainstream media and the deep state will go to fight against him.
seamus coughlin
Well, I will say, I think there is someone, or more accurately, a group they hate more than Donald Trump, and that's the American people.
And they see Donald Trump as representative for the actual interests of the American people, and that bothers them because they're used to seeing politicians who are only interested in representing the elite.
And so, while it may be the case that none of these people face any actual punishment at any of these media establishments or anywhere in the deep state, with respect to public opinion and people waking up to their nonsense, the one thing I can say is the walls are closing in.
tim pool
I'm just imagining, like, High profile Democrat fundraisers holding auditions to recruit actors to play Democrats.
And they're doing the interview and they're like, all right, give me populist.
And they got like AOC and she's saying like, I think we should tax the rich.
Like, this is really great.
You're really good.
Now, if you take this job, we have to warn you, you will have to shake hands.
And touch these people and then she shudders, oh, I think I can do it.
All right, you got the job.
We'll get you elected and then you can be a Democrat.
And that's how I view all the Democrats and the Republicans, to be completely honest, except for like five people.
They just despise and are disgusted by Americans.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, well, that's exactly what it is, right?
It's funny.
So there's this idea of loving the sinner and hating the sin.
You know, the Democrats, they like love poverty and hate the poor.
They really do.
They have this entire idea in their heads that they're these champions for the working class and they hate everything that the working class stands for.
And they'll even claim that, it's funny, it applies to other things, like they really, they like love immigration and they hate the immigrant.
When you talk to people who come here from Mexico about their values and like how they feel about gay marriage and abortion, the left is disgusted by it.
They hate everything they stand for.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, all of the counties along the border in Texas where there are levels of illegal immigration, are red, right?
They are populated by people whose families have migrated from Mexico.
They have conservative values.
natalie winters
But you see that theory play out to I think even with the Russia hoax because I also never sort of bought what they were pushing, right?
It's like, oh, because a random Facebook account that was somewhat linked to Russia shared an article that was attacking Hillary Clinton on
false terms just because some random Americans read it. That now influenced their vote. They're
now voting for Donald Trump.
And I think, you know, if you unpack that whole narrative that they were pushing, it
really shows you how dumb they think the American people are, right? And how really influenceable
and just dumb.
It's like, oh, because you read an article now, your entire conviction, the reason why you support Trump, it can't be because you actually support his policies on trade and you want to take this country back and you despise Hillary Clinton to your core.
It's because you read an article about Hillary Clinton actually being related to Who knows?
seamus coughlin
It's actually absolutely ludicrous conspiracy theorizing.
What they argued was that non-government Russian actors spending $46,000 worth of money on Facebook ads that weren't even all targeted towards one specific party Was an act of war.
We had actual elected leaders saying that that was an act of war from Russia interfering in our election.
This is how delusional these people are.
natalie winters
The best part too is if you look, I remember there was a press release that Twitter had put out probably like two years ago.
They were talking about what they were doing to mitigate foreign influence and they had ranked all the different numbers of bots that they had from different countries and overwhelmingly I think it was by Like a 10% increase, or rather, like, chasm between bots from China and Russia.
The Chinese Communist Party influence on Twitter dwarfed that of Russia.
So it's so funny, if you want to play with this foreign influence narrative, it's like, sure, I'll take you at your word on that, even though I don't believe the American people are smart enough to be immune to that.
Even if you want to take them at their word, the Chinese Communist Party, their influence still prevails over Russia.
So it's just bizarre.
unidentified
Yeah!
tim pool
Taking over.
natalie winters
Right?
tim pool
So let me jump to this story.
We have this tweet from Benny Johnson.
Elon Musk calls the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop story election interference.
Quote, some of these conspiracy theories have turned out to be true.
I'll play this clip for you.
I just want to stress this one point.
As we're talking about the Durham report, And the interference in our election and Trump's presidency from 2016 till 2020.
We also get to talk about the second election interference from intelligence agencies when they sought to suppress and did suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story.
Here's Elon Musk giving an interview on the matter.
unidentified
I mean, you know, you do some tweets that seem to be or at least give support to some who would call others conspiracy theories.
elon musk
Well, Yes, but I mean, honestly, you know, some of these conspiracy theories have turned out to be true.
unidentified
Which ones?
elon musk
Well, like the Hunter Biden laptop.
unidentified
That's true?
elon musk
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah?
elon musk
So, you know, that was a pretty big deal.
There was Twitter and others engaged in active suppression of information that was relevant to the public.
That's a terrible thing that happened.
That's election interference.
tim pool
And also, what wasn't mentioned by Elon was that the intelligence agency signed off on this letter, which was then weaponized by people in the media who willfully lie to manipulate.
This is, once again, a very similar story of election interference from intelligence agencies, Democrats, and the media.
There is no country unless these people are criminally charged, arrested, and removed from polite society because they're criminals who engage in criminal activity.
seamus coughlin
But have you considered that it's just an accident and they're sawy?
tim pool
Oh, they're sorry?
Well, now I feel bad, Seamus!
unidentified
Let him go!
seamus coughlin
It was a mistake!
That's why pencils have erasers!
hannah claire brimelow
See, I feel like they're not sorry, they're just like, we did some stuff wrong, and we changed our own rules so we won't do anything wrong again.
But we don't know that they've changed the rules to permit them to act the way they did.
They've just legalized their actions, probably.
seamus coughlin
And I love this rationalization that you get from the left, where they'll say, okay, like, yes, we were vehemently wrong about this every step of the way, and we did try to ruin people's lives, and we did misinform the American people, but, like, we didn't mean to, you know?
natalie winters
Pandemic amnesty.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
We saw it during the pandemic, we saw it during Russiagate, we see this with the left all the time.
It's like, okay, well, if you're wrong about everything all the time, I kind of don't care if you were lying or not.
I know that I can't trust you ever.
hannah claire brimelow
They're just sorry you figured it out, they're not sorry they didn't.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, and this is how it works.
You never admit you're wrong, you move on to the next scam.
That's how scammers work, right?
A scammer doesn't go like, okay, so like, I wasn't really a Nigerian prince, but I am trying to call you about your car's extended warranty.
They just move from the Nigerian prince thing to your car's extended warranty without ever talking to you about the first thing or admitting that they were wrong, yeah.
tim pool
It's like, you're not a Nigerian prince, click.
The phone rings again, I'd like to talk to you about your car's extended warranty.
unidentified
Really?
seamus coughlin
It's like, oh, well.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like we should just start our stopwatches and see what big revelation is going to come out to distract us from this.
Because that's, I feel like, how you can tell time in America.
tim pool
Well, more importantly, I wonder what the next big election interference is going to be in 2024.
What lie will they push next?
seamus coughlin
Well, and this is what's so wild, right?
So over 10% of Biden voters, according to surveys, Not only did not know that the Hunter Biden laptop story was a thing, because of how suppressed it was, they said if they had known about it, they would not have voted for Joe Biden.
Okay, the idea that 10% of Biden voters surveyed, if that really does apply to the rest of the voting population, would not have swayed the election.
tim pool
What's your source?
seamus coughlin
Washington Examiner.
There was a poll that they published right after the election.
tim pool
I just want to make sure we have the number correct.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and I actually think it might have been more than 10%, so I can pull this up.
tim pool
I remember Rasmussen had one that was like 6% or 7%.
seamus coughlin
Either way, it's a substantial amount.
It's enough people to theoretically swing the election depending on where they're centered or where they're based.
Now, that is evil.
That is clear corporate interference in American elections.
And I would say that that's actually more heinous than non-government actors in Russia spending $46,000 on Facebook ads, not all of which were from one single partisan perspective.
On top of that, we had actual elected leaders referring to that as an act of war.
An act of war!
So what do we call it when American corporations do the exact same thing on a much larger scale, which there's actually good polling data to indicate did sway the election?
natalie winters
Well, and they're doing it on a much larger hundred, multi-hundred million dollar, almost billion dollar scale when it comes to groups like the Center for Tech and Civic Life, getting money from the Chan Zuckerberg initiative.
When you talk about the lie that they're going to peddle, I think universal mail-in voting.
I'm sure there'll be some sort of public health emergency that necessitates rolling that up, but it's interesting.
I put a story up today.
So obviously, the Center for Tech and Civic Life, the Zuckerberg-funded election group, they had to sort of rebrand since they came under a bunch of scrutiny during the 2020 election.
But one of their new groups, it's called the Alliance for Election Excellence.
It's a very good name.
But they're now giving, they have an $80 million war chest, and they're now giving And if it's not altruistic, it was an accident.
And he's really sorry.
election offices across the country and they're buying them, catch this, office
space to store mail-in ballots and to also store election tabulation machines.
So they're up to their old tricks. So I know I'm sure very altruistic.
Anything Mark Zuckerberg does is marked by by altruism. And if it's not
seamus coughlin
altruistic, it was an accident. And he's really sorry.
tim pool
Sorry you found out.
natalie winters
They all just simultaneously slipped on- Remember, he said he wasn't gonna give any money to the 2024 election, so I was like, yeah, me and my wife, like, peace out, we're done.
But no, they just use another shady nonprofit, dark money.
He's not giving it to the election.
hannah claire brimelow
He's giving it to someone to give to the election.
unidentified
Do you remember when he reportedly... It's like Fauci and EcoHealth Alliance and COVID.
tim pool
Zuckerberg reportedly gave all his money away or something like that.
seamus coughlin
What?
tim pool
But it turned out he put it in an LLC to avoid the death tax and then It was like the Patagonia thing.
Their founder was like, we're gonna give all our money away!
And it's like, oh actually they get a huge tax credit for doing this.
when he dies it doesn't get taxed at 50%.
hannah claire brimelow
It was like the Patagonia thing.
Their founder was like, we're going to give all our money away.
And it's like, oh, actually they get a huge tax credit for doing this.
They're not here to save the planet.
They're here to help themselves.
seamus coughlin
And the sad thing is if he said it, he was doing it to avoid taxes.
It would be way cooler, right?
Like, I might actually appreciate that.
If he's gonna lie about giving it to the poor, okay, well, you're a slimy guy.
You're lying about giving money to the poor.
If he was just honest about it, look, this horrible government that does horrible things and is gonna spend this money on nonsense isn't gonna get a penny of it.
I'd go, Yeah, I get it.
I understand.
tim pool
They all do this.
These wealthy individuals will be like, I'm gonna donate 99% of my money.
And then like, you'll get a guy named, you know, Seamus Coghlan, who's a billionaire.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
And he'll be like, I'm gonna donate $999 million to charity.
And then he'll start a charity called the Seamus Coghlan Foundation, and I'll donate it to himself.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
That way he can write off all of the income and then have it as a nonprofit and then keep the money.
seamus coughlin
Well, fun fact, there are actually studies that show inheritance taxes increase income inequality because the lower classes inherit a larger percentage of their net worth than the upper class does.
And so usually what inheritance taxes actually do is just completely screw farmers over because a person has a farm.
Yeah, that's why a lot of firms go into trust, right?
working on and yeah like the farm and the farming equipment are rather
expensive but a lot of these people are just making a normal middle-class
living and then they have to pay this insane inheritance tax before they can
pass it on to their children so they end up having to sell their their land off
hannah claire brimelow
yeah that's why a lot of firms going to trust right they do it right having to
tim pool
go through the process or LLCs but trusts Clever ways they avoid paying taxes.
seamus coughlin
But for those who can't avoid it, or for those who don't know better than to avoid it, or even people, you know, outside of the context of farming who just have a house and they don't know how to leave it to their kids without avoiding the taxes, they end up getting screwed.
Millionaires and billionaires are gonna find their way around any set of taxes, right?
Just like Zuckerberg did, but poor people are not.
tim pool
Buying things as a rich person is not the same as buying things as a poor person.
seamus coughlin
Nope.
tim pool
If you're a poor person who needs a car, You save up 10%, you go to the car dealership, you say, I want this $20,000 car.
They say, okay, it's $2,000 down, and then you take out a loan for the other 18, and then you gotta pay a certain percentage on it.
So you are losing money on your asset.
By the time you finally get that asset, you end up paying double for it.
So you've lost tens of thousands.
If you're rich, you walk in, write a check, boom, you have the car.
The car's value effectively stays the same.
Let's use a better example, like land or property.
If you're poor and you're buying a house, you get a loan, you pay interest, you lose money to the banks to acquire this.
After 30 years or whatever, you finally pay it off.
You're like, I did it!
I paid off my house!
And you've lost twice the value of the house in the purchase.
So basically, you only retain half of the value of your own money.
You're rich and you got cash.
Snap your fingers, you buy it, you retain all of the value.
Not the same thing.
And then they do these tricks where, you know, they can give the money to their own kids.
seamus coughlin
And who gets the value?
The rich!
The banks!
tim pool
Yep.
The Federal Reserve, I guess.
But I guess this isn't supposed to be Occupy Wall Street cast.
We are talking about election interference.
But hey, you know, Steve talks about this stuff all the time.
natalie winters
I was gonna say.
He wants to tax all these people.
tim pool
I don't agree with this wealth tech stuff, but Steve's...
He's adamant on the wealth tax.
natalie winters
Well, you have to, because if not, they're going to use the money to fund all of these groups, like election rigging groups, whatever you want to call them.
And I've always supported, that was one of the first policies that Steve had pushed back when I was in high school, watching him speak, I think at the Oxford Union.
And I was like, this is so right.
And what's so funny is, you know, put aside, I always love talking to Uber drivers, Democrat, Republican, and like, that's the one issue that they can always get behind, is that taxing the rich But actually taxing them substantively and meaningfully and making the policy so it's not just that the hyper-connected rich get, they don't have to pay their fair share, but it's everyone.
tim pool
But then the government gets the money and gives it to the FBI.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
So therein lies the problem.
natalie winters
And you have to defund the FBI.
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, that's my concern.
I always gotta win.
natalie winters
Not the child of the sex trafficking operation, but the rest of the FBI, yes.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, like, with the FBI, with all of these institutions, and it's not even just the deep states, the government overall, as Tim alluded to, it's all incredibly corrupt.
They spend our money horribly.
I understand what you're saying.
Wealth taxes make me nervous for a number of reasons.
I think, you know, in principle, my main belief, I would say economically, is in property ownership.
And I don't just mean that in, like, a strictly laissez-faire sense.
I think the more people who own property, the better off we are as a country.
I think it gives Everyone a stake in the future, you know a country of property owners is obviously better than a country of renters I'm a very big believer in the middle class and lower class being able to own property And I think a lot has to be done in order to make that a realistic possibility for people in the future but
With wealth taxes, I mean, the issue is with unrealized capital gains, you're taxing something that doesn't actually exist yet, so then someone has to sell off a portion of their company, and if it was just people who were ultra, ultra, ultra wealthy, I could sort of understand, but that always trickles down, right?
Anytime the government says we're only going to tax people above a certain limit, they end up lowering that bar until eventually we're all paying that wealth tax.
tim pool
The initial income tax was like 3%, and it was only for the ultra wealthy, and now here we are with poor people paying 20%.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
I want to jump to this next story.
We got this tweet from Mario Noffoli says breaking CNN on Trump's exoneration.
Quote, it is regardless devastating to the FBI and to a degree it does exonerate Donald Trump, Jake Tapper.
He says, is CNN becoming less biased?
Will other mainstream media followers certainly play this clip of Jake Tapper for you?
jake tapper
Regardless, the report is now here.
It has dropped and it might not have produced everything of what some Republicans vote for.
It is regardless devastating to the FBI and to a degree it does exonerate Donald Trump.
To a degree.
tim pool
To a degree!
hannah claire brimelow
They're still so scared.
tim pool
They're still so scared of liberals.
They can't just say, Trump did not collude with Russia.
He says, to a degree, it proves he didn't collude with Russia.
No, it literally proves he didn't collude with Russia.
hannah claire brimelow
They can't let their dream die.
They want this to be true so badly.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
No, it does not exonerate Trump to a degree.
Trump was exonerated about all of this long ago.
What it does to a degree is indict you and everyone else in the media who is parroting this nonsense.
hannah claire brimelow
And the mainstream media language around this is so funny to me.
AP put out this article about it and said, the findings aren't flattering for the FBI.
It's not looking good.
We don't want to say anything, but it's not great.
And they say that the investigation was done without adequate bias and they routinely ignored or rationalized evidence that undercut the premise.
So the whole time they were aware that this was not worth it.
And they were like, but we're going to keep going.
seamus coughlin
Literally what happened was they said Trump has a p-tape and we said, care to elaborate further?
And they said, no.
tim pool
Do you guys remember the Huffington Post story about somewhere, some video of Trump doing something at the time?
unidentified
Yes, I saw that!
tim pool
Let me see if I can pull it up.
seamus coughlin
I saw that.
That was killing me.
That was killing me.
But no, that's literally what happened, right?
And they're never going to admit they were wrong.
As I said, it's just one scam after another.
Move on.
Doesn't matter.
Doesn't matter how many times they're proven wrong.
Does not matter.
tim pool
Here's the story from 2018, the hunt for every Trump reporter's white whale, the elevator tape.
It says, there it was, some 1,500 words into a story published in the Daily Beast, the infamous Donald Trump elevator tape, not the tape itself, but the first reference, the bombshell tape of Trump in an elevator.
The Wall Street Journal, the AP, and others had chased a tape that may not even exist.
A certain contingent of journalists who'd spent months searching for something worth publishing, all that really mattered was the formal unveiling of the tape rumored to the public.
It was basically nothing.
A story about literally nothing.
And they all chased after it.
The famous quote was the tweet where it was like, somewhere, something exists.
What it is, we don't know.
What it's about, not sure.
But Trump was there.
We believe it.
seamus coughlin
Trump took the elevator.
He's not taking the stairs.
It's not healthy.
This is a real scandal.
They were desperate to find anything.
And we still are!
It was very difficult to attack Trump on the basis of his policies because they tended to be unpopular.
tim pool
Alvin Post tweeted, A tape might exist of Trump doing something in an elevator.
Though exactly where that somewhere is and what that something might be, no one in media can say.
That's because no one in media seems to have seen the tape or is even confident it exists.
seamus coughlin
What?
tim pool
They were writing articles about this.
Imagine somebody walks into the newsroom and they're like, I got huge news.
seamus coughlin
What is it?
tim pool
Trump may have been an elevator at some point with a camera doing something.
I don't know what he did, when he did it, or why it was filmed.
And they're like, whoa, can we find that tape?
Yes.
hannah claire brimelow
I just want this to have been someone on his campaign who was like, I know one liberal journalist.
I'm going to start this rumor.
Just see where it goes.
And they read these tweets and they're like, I started that.
They can't tell anyone because somewhere there is a video of Donald Trump.
seamus coughlin
They're like their children.
It is embarrassing that a news outlet would publish that.
Yeah, something, you know, it happened somewhere.
This is literally when you were in third grade and didn't read the book and then you got
called in front of the class to do your book report.
You're like, yeah, something happened when somewhere they would like to sit.
tim pool
I got big news.
A video may exist of Seamus Coghlan.
seamus coughlin
No, no.
tim pool
Now what he was doing, I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
In an elevator?
tim pool
Where it happened, I'm not so sure.
But a video exists of Seamus doing something somewhere.
In fact, quite literally what you're watching right now is a video of Seamus doing something somewhere.
seamus coughlin
That exists somewhere.
tim pool
It's not bad, it's just literally Seamus talking about politics.
seamus coughlin
It's plausible deniability.
tim pool
But imagine this, imagine this.
You could literally play the, the media was so insane, I could- I could claim there is a shocking video of Seamus Coghlan doing something somewhere, and then everyone's like, whoa, I wonder what it could be, and they imagine Seamus, like, juggling bowling pins or skydiving.
Who knows?
When in reality, I'm referring to Tim Guest-Iroh.
seamus coughlin
My biggest scandals were juggling bowling pins and skydiving.
tim pool
Who knows?
hannah claire brimelow
We didn't say it was a scandal, we just said you were doing something.
tim pool
Exactly and then everyone turns into a scandal by imagining the craziest thing.
natalie winters
It really is bizarre as I guess I'm technically a journalist and it pains me to say that because I reject it.
I know whenever I'm meeting new people and I'm introducing myself like, what do you do?
I'm like, I'm a journalist.
I'm sorry, I'm not going to like smear you.
But it really is bizarre to me, right, like running with a story like that when there's really nothing to report.
And I think what we're going to see start to kind of unfold, which obviously we all know here, but obviously the Hunter Biden hard drive story in terms of the collusion with big tech and the FBI, the CIA, that letter, I think that really proves that there is sort of a merger, really, I'd call it an axis of evil between these assets of the deep state And tech platforms.
But I think the third component to that really is the mainstream media.
And I think we've always known they've laundered talking points on behalf of the federal government.
But I think this case again, yes, it's vindication.
Yes, we know Trump didn't collude with Russia.
But this is like clear, incontrovertible evidence that I don't think we typically get to see it so plain front and center, at least, you know, us mere American people, us mere mortals, Non-elites.
So I think we're going to start to see just like that Hunter Biden story has sort of started to unfurl and you get good tidbits every now and then.
I think there's going to be a lot more coming out about how the media has really just taken, whether it's FBI, CIA, you name it, their talking points and just repeated that mindlessly.
tim pool
I got good news, though.
Take a look at this.
CNN's ratings are now below Newsmax.
seamus coughlin
Amazing.
tim pool
Newsmax has surpassed CNN.
Look at this.
8 p.m., 9 p.m., 10 p.m.
slot.
hannah claire brimelow
Newsmax is like, yes, we knew we could do it!
We're beating CNN!
tim pool
I mean, to be fair, CNN's been collapsing.
But look, Newsmax is considered more conservative, right?
They get smeared and attacked by the corporate press, and now they're displacing them.
CNN tried to play dirty games and now they will cease to exist.
seamus coughlin
But have you considered that somewhere someone might have done something and CNN may possibly have some of that footage?
hannah claire brimelow
Also, they're sorry.
tim pool
Actually, I'm sorry.
seamus coughlin
I can confirm.
tim pool
Sorry.
There is a video of Anderson Cooper doing something somewhere to Well, the thing is, I'm not sure.
And where it is, I don't know.
But the video does exist.
And if we can find it, oh boy.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that'll be really bad.
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
That'll be really bad for him.
Let's write 27 articles about it for the next three years.
Every day.
tim pool
The White Whale.
A video that no one knows anything... Like, do you know how many videos of Trump in an elevator there are?
Probably 17,000.
Yeah, really a lot.
Because all of these different casino elevators have cameras.
Most big, high-security, like high-rises and penthouses have cameras.
Every time Trump got in an elevator, there's a video of him in an elevator doing something.
hannah claire brimelow
I just want to know how many journalists spent hours watching leaked or footage they finagled away from someone.
It's Trump just standing in the elevator like, any second now he's going to do something crazy.
seamus coughlin
There's no commitment to truth.
There's no commitment to reality or honesty.
I'm a cartoonist.
I'm not a cartoonist.
I make jokes and I do political commentary.
I'm not a journalist.
Not anything of the sort.
And I, given my state in life as someone who makes jokes, I could never imagine grabbing a story like that and repeating that to people.
Because you've got to be responsible with your platform.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it speaks to the two-sided nature of journalism today, right?
They believe there is a reality that they live in and they are here to disprove your reality.
They don't believe we all live in a common, shared reality.
No.
Create enough evidence of their own belief system you have to admit that their worldview is right and you have to conform to it.
I think that's the the strange thing about so much of essentially content creation that gets passed off as journalism today.
It's about arguing that the things you believe are wrong because my worldview is is necessitated on the fact that these things I know to be true.
That Trump is evil, that he colluded with Russia, and that if we vote for him, the country's falling apart.
And in reality, even if you don't like everything Trump does, he is not this, like, you know, terrible person that should send you into hysterics.
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, I mean, none of these journalists are journalists.
Like, 98% of the people who call themselves journalists are political commentators or they're bloggers or something like that.
They write opinion pieces or they give you your perspective about something on television.
tim pool
While claiming they're real journalists and you're not.
seamus coughlin
While claiming they're real journalists and you're not.
And this is the thing.
I am saying this, and I actually am willing to stand by this.
There is a large percentage of the people who call themselves journalists who, minus running a business and producing animation, do kind of the same thing I do, which is read articles, learn about the issues, do a bit of research, and then comment on them.
They don't actually go investigate issues on the ground, they don't do interviews with people, they don't try to find the truth, and, like, granted, I do try to find the truth, so that's one difference, but they will just read things online on, like, their newsfeed, or maybe they have someone who looks at articles for them, and they'll start commenting on it, but they're not, like, investigating the way you want a journalist to, they're just reading things so they can give an opinion about it.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I think they cherry-pick facts so that they can serve their own reality.
I mean, that's the only way to describe it.
They will say, well, we think there's a video of Trump, so therefore he's a suspicious character, so therefore you should trust us when we say he did all of these things wrong.
I think they are completely blind to their own bias because it's so deeply embedded in their worldview.
seamus coughlin
Do you think that, like, yeah, you know what?
I'm actually going to Google this right now.
I want to see, like, what the bare minimum is for referring to yourself as a journalist.
hannah claire brimelow
There's nothing.
seamus coughlin
There's nothing?
So I could just say I'm a journalist, because, you know, I, like, I did go to the March for Life for Tim Kast and interview people and guess I'm a journalist.
I mean, I interviewed people about why they were at the March for Life, so I guess I'm a journalist.
I'm going to change my Twitter bias and I'm going to add journalist to it right now.
hannah claire brimelow
I think there used to be a standard, right?
Like a journalist is different than a reporter, which is different than a writer, which is different than a columnist.
No, no, no.
But now it's a blanket term for anyone who pushes disinformation.
Or publishes something that resembles news.
News adjacent, we might call it.
seamus coughlin
So I'm adding journalist to my bio.
In fact, I'm adding journalist first and foremost.
Oh, I don't have enough words left.
All right, I'm just gonna put journalist in my bio.
There, boom.
It's done.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
I'm literally a journalist now.
Where's my blue checkmark?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
I think you have to create one.
I think you can buy one.
tim pool
The blue checkmark is something you just buy.
I know.
seamus coughlin
Now you just buy it.
I should have done some journalism on that.
hannah claire brimelow
Don't be too hard on yourself.
seamus coughlin
Is Serge the only non-journalist here right now?
That's so embarrassing.
tim pool
I'm currently doing journalism right now.
seamus coughlin
That's so embarrassing.
hannah claire brimelow
Mind you, I'm always doing journalism just by being alive.
I do, no, I'm just kidding.
I think that's the hard thing.
We have moved, one of the benefits of the digital age is how quickly we can get new information out there and the new formats that we get to discuss news and have commentary.
I mean, this podcast exists essentially like Four different opinion writers talking at the same time, giving your opinion, as opposed to reading four different opinion columns written around the same time about an issue.
And that's more fun.
On the other hand, we have, I think, sort of grade the classifications of news media because anyone can be a journalist and also no one truly has any journalistic ethics or obligations.
I mean, I think people do.
I don't want to be too hard on all reporters.
There are some great journalists who do fantastic work.
But like, I don't think you should just be like, I'm out here with my cell phone recording the street, therefore I'm a journalist, unless you are putting some effort in, you're researching, you're trying to find the truth, you're talking to people whose opinion you don't like.
I think that's what bothers me the most.
So many people go into this sphere just to talk to people who they like themselves and who produce talking points similar to the ones they would produce if they were the one being interviewed.
natalie winters
I feel like you can really cross-apply that critique to virtually every industry in America in the sense of this whole refrain of, you know, trust the experts, right, the expert journalists at the New York Times and the CNNs and the Washington Posts of the world.
They're actually not our intellectual betters and superiors, and I think the house of cards, right, this ability to Enforce narratives like the Russia collusion hoax like rests on this sort of worshipping this idea that oh Because you work for the New York Times and you have journalists in your bio and you have a blue checkmark We must believe what you say because you're from the federal government and you're telling us how to mitigate a pandemic We must listen to you and what you're saying and I I think it's sort of they just want the American people again who are so dumb because they see an article on Facebook and
They're just going to start supporting some candidate.
But I really think they just want us to blindly put our faith in every aspect of our life, right, over our bodies, what we believe, what we think, what we eat, you name it, into our, you know, intellectual superiors, into this elite ruling class.
And I think, frankly, that was what COVID proved, that this elite ruling class that is so smart.
And Joe Biden, who, you know, that class of people used to mock.
I always thought they'd always say, oh, Donald Trump made a fool of America.
On the world stage.
And I always like this concept of the world stage, like they care so much what their, you know, globalist brethren think of them and what America looks like.
But then you take a step back and you're like, okay, well, even if I'm going to run with that paradigm, Joe Biden has made us look like a complete idiot and dismal failure on the world stage.
tim pool
I just want to point out, as you all were talking, I was I was doing journalism.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh, you found the footage!
tim pool
I found the footage.
This is a still image of Donald Trump in the elevator.
Look how shocked everyone is.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Hard-hitting journalism.
They're so surprised at his behavior as Trump is yelling about something.
It's so shocking, this footage, that I can't even describe to you what actually happened in that elevator.
unidentified
That is horrifying.
tim pool
But trust me, I've seen it.
seamus coughlin
That is legitimately right.
It's real, Tim's a journalist.
tim pool
This is of course an AI-generated image of Donald Trump in an elevator.
I just typed it in the mid-journey.
unidentified
Don't give away the secrets, Tim!
seamus coughlin
AI-generated journalism is what it was.
One of my favorite things, you were mentioning a lot of the things they were saying about Trump, when they had an anonymous source Reporting that Trump said something completely insane on Veterans Day, like, I frankly hate all veterans.
It was the most absurd nonsense in the world.
Like, okay, he didn't say this, and it was from an anonymous source.
It couldn't help but laugh because, you know, an anonymous source only works if you're a trustworthy person, right?
If there's any reason to trust you.
I have seen the stories that you guys tell when you have a named source.
So no, I don't trust your anonymous sources.
And frankly, I think you probably made it up yourself.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, theoretically, if you had professional standards, you'd call the Trump White House or campaign wherever we were in the timeline and say, hey, do you care to comment on this?
We're going to run with this story.
You should have a chance to respond.
That's supposed to be ethical, but they probably won't.
And even if they do, they'll say, you know, the Trump campaign categorically denied this while they shook in their boots because they're so scared of our amazing anonymous source who we can't tell you anything about.
It's real.
Trust us.
I think that it was important to acknowledge that this does happen in all walks of life.
That's a really good point.
I think there are so many institutions that people point to when they want to use authority to back up their arguments.
I mean, we see this a lot.
I am loathe to bring it up because I know we talk about a lot, but with the transgender ideology movement, people will point to the American Association of Pediatrics and say, Well they say there are certain things you are supposed to do.
They'll point to all kinds of medical establishments and I think we have to look back and say why do we trust these institutions?
Some of them may do good work, I don't know, but you should look into the institutions.
Who's on the board?
How do they assemble themselves?
Are they elected?
Do you have to have a certain qualification?
What is their mission statement?
If you just throw out the name like this is the authority Then you are either A, trying to hide the bias, or B, you are not aware of the bias, which in and of itself is dangerous if you're putting yourself in a position where you're supposed to be giving out solid information.
tim pool
Dude, Mid Journey's crazy.
seamus coughlin
It is wild.
tim pool
I just, I got another one.
seamus coughlin
Dude, you're doing some real journalism tonight, huh?
tim pool
I'm tweeting another one.
Let me, uh, let me try and, let me try and pull it up for you.
seamus coughlin
So, Natalie, personally, as a journalist, I've never used an anonymous source.
Have you ever?
natalie winters
I'm trying to think if I've actually ever unironically used it or not.
You know, most of my reporting, well, I guess either comes from the Hunter Biden hard drive or publicly available data that the mainstream media won't report on when it comes to Chinese Communist Party infiltration, because usually I'm reporting on how the mainstream media is compromised by the Chinese Communist Party.
It's a very good niche market, I've found.
But no, it really is funny though, and like you guys are saying, people I think for the most part hate journalists.
I get that whenever I'm introducing myself to people and telling them what I do for work.
I have never had a positive interaction with someone.
Then when they find out that I'm technically not really a journalist because it's Steve Bannon and he's great, then they're like, oh, you're normal.
You're not one of them.
But people hate journalists.
Journalists, I didn't realize.
hannah claire brimelow
But my experience is, I don't know if you've ever had this happen, but if you talk to someone who is like progressive or left and who is a journalist and they like proudly introduce themselves as a journalist, like they are the bearers of truth, I find this very fascinating.
Like it is definitely a cultural shift.
Some people do not trust the media, and for good reason.
But there are some people who wear it as a badge of honor, and that is also worrisome.
natalie winters
Yes, and of course, I feel like we have to give an honorable mention to the fact-checkers of the world and the media matters, the media watchdog types, because they're obviously in on the same grift.
But no, they attack me all the time for working with Steve, saying that I'm not actually an investigative reporter.
It's like, fine, then point to one of my stories that's not true.
hannah claire brimelow
Investigate me.
natalie winters
Prove it.
Right.
I've never been sued.
I've never published or printed anything incorrect.
Frankly, a lot of my investigations have led to people wiping their Twitter accounts, getting fired, getting removed from boards.
So the evidence is there, right?
There's obviously action occurring from my reporting.
So it's just I think, you know, you brought up the transgender movement.
A lot of this just, I think, has to also just do with, like, distorting words, right?
Like, journalist doesn't mean what it used to mean, because definitions don't really, they're not rooted in reality, because everyone can have different, really, versions of reality.
And that's, of course, amplified by the fact that if you turn on CNN, they say, oh, to a degree.
Well, what does that mean?
You know, it's not even doublespeak.
It's just, it's a whole different language.
tim pool
I want to jump to the story about Patriot Front.
We have this from Newsweek.
White supremacist march on DC sparks conspiracy theory.
FBI was involved.
So the group is called Patriot Front.
And I've seen a bunch of people on the right say that journalists, as well as personalities, that I think Elijah Schaefer was saying that he's really well connected on the right.
He knows a lot of people from various different groups.
He's talked to them.
He's interviewed them.
And he knows no one associated with Patriot Front.
I thought that was very interesting because You know, I've been to a lot of these events.
I used to go on the ground and do a lot of reporting.
I've interviewed a lot of people, and I've never met a single person who was associated with whatever this group is.
Not that I'm on the ground in the past few years anyway, so maybe it's new, I guess, in the past five years or so.
But the funniest thing about it is, we have this clip from the Joe Rogan experience of the Patriot Front March.
I want to show you an image of these individuals.
You can see they all have these hats.
They have these masks.
They all wear masks.
They have shields.
They all wear the same things.
Like, somebody ordered the same blue jacket.
Like, 300 of them.
They all wore the same thing.
They ordered the same white neck gaiters, the same khakis, the same boots.
So, really well organized, I suppose.
And then I want to show you what Joe Rogan had to say in response to seeing this video.
I think he was on a show with Matt Taibbi.
unidentified
Look at these guys.
Where's the fat people?
serge du preez
They're all wearing the same clothes!
Do that again.
unidentified
What the fuck is this?
serge du preez
Is that- Have you ever seen anything that looks more like feds?
tim pool
Where's the fat people?
unidentified
Tell me that doesn't look like feds.
Right?
serge du preez
It's like the 101st Airborne.
unidentified
Bro, look at this!
tim pool
These guys are all runners!
serge du preez
These guys look like they just got out of buds!
I mean... The fuck out of here!
tim pool
Look at this!
The fuck out of here!
So I saw someone comment, you know it's not real because whenever you see an actual right-wing militia group, they're all morbidly obese.
Or at least a handful of them are, not all of them.
And it's like...
That's actually fairly interesting.
Now, I have seen people push back and say, don't underestimate them.
They like that they're being called feds.
The reality is, someone posted an image from an internal FBI report where the FBI actually warns that among the FBI, half of the agents are morbidly obese.
So it's actually the other way around, and the argument is the actual white nationalists do fight and train, and so it may be real.
I don't know.
Honestly, I don't know what to think.
All I know is it's weird this group has police protection.
They did this march where they then were given an escort to the subway.
hannah claire brimelow
Which was cleared for them, right?
tim pool
It was cleared for them and no one was allowed to go in after them.
They've loaded into trucks under police watch and guard and then left.
So Joe Rogan may be right about this.
I like when he said, where are the fat people?
natalie winters
Funny story, I was actually walking through DC and I stumbled upon them while they were doing this.
So I was being an unintentional journalist.
I was doing my journalistic duties, and I had thought they were patriot-front because I have obviously been to a lot of Trump rallies and, you know, been around, and I know this isn't necessarily evidence or fact-based, but you can get a vibe from people who are there to protest for the right reasons.
You know, there's just sort of a vibe to the Trump crowd or people who are there, whatever the issue is, because you can tell that they really want to be there and they're talking to other people who aren't necessarily there to attend the rally, but they're trying to sort of proselytize and, like, spread the cause and spread the word.
And it was such an odd vibe, and I know that's not, again, doesn't mean much, but I had just never seen a group of people protesting, who are allegedly so patriotic, acting the way that they were, just walking in formation.
unidentified
Where's Antifa?
natalie winters
It was so weird.
tim pool
Where's Antifa?
natalie winters
It was bizarre.
tim pool
How come Antifa's not protesting any of these guys?
No serious question.
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Why do they have a police escort, right?
Like, when I first saw a picture, someone was like, oh, it's like Charlottesville and like the Unite the Right walk.
I was like, this looks way more organized than that did.
Zeke Arkham on Twitter had this, his thing, and I guess he's in law enforcement, he was saying like, there's photos of them being arrested theoretically except they all still have their masks on and they're kneeling and he's basically going through being like you wouldn't let them continue to wear their masks because you have to make sure they're breathing when they're in police custody like you wouldn't have them kneeling in this position like none of this makes sense it's almost like you're waiting to hear like oh actually the whole thing was staged for a movie and they're filming it and this is what they think this is like like it it seems so strange especially since there are
That was funny when Joe was like, where are the fat people at?
I don't know, what do you guys think?
extremists or not, uh, demonstrating publicly. They usually have very little police, police support.
tim pool
That was funny when Joe's like, where are the fat people at?
seamus coughlin
That's, it's, it's real though. That's very real.
unidentified
I don't know. What do you guys think? Feds?
seamus coughlin
Look, I mean, I have no idea, but it's not something that would be
shocking if it came out right.
Like, my instinct is just to assume that something's up at this point.
I mean, there are... It's almost foolish to not actively distrust them, right?
So I don't know.
I don't trust the Antifa stuff.
tim pool
There's stories about these Antifa guys getting picked up, driven around the block, and then let go.
That's what they do with informants.
I wouldn't be surprised.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, there were federal FBI informants on the ground on January 6th, which apparently was also planned, so therefore the FBI knew about it, question mark.
None of it makes sense.
The thing about this is like, it's just so uniform.
They all are like In the sunglasses, in the hat, in the exact same jacket, like, I just really don't think there's... it's too precise for it to seem like an organic movement.
natalie winters
And how it just immediately hits, like, the left-wing social media machine, the, you know, blue checkmark, the angry blue checkmarks on Twitter and the mainstream media, it just... I don't know, I feel like it's not even... it wasn't even about the march itself, it's how it gets rolled out and then it's used as a pretext to start a broader narrative about how White supremacy and nationalism and xenophobia are on the rise, and so we, you know, but then they made the jump we need to crack down on, you know, random Twitter user 123.
hannah claire brimelow
Right.
Were there any chants?
Like, was there any chanting?
Was there any demands?
What was the message?
Like, I don't understand, other than the fact that it's a patriot front, like, what is the theoretical racial messaging behind this activity?
serge du preez
There's almost no media about it.
They don't have any media presence.
I don't see anything about Patriot Front other than stuff that's very nicely curtailed.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, in this specific demonstration.
Yes, exactly.
Where is the chanting?
We got some great sound bites from previous events.
serge du preez
It's so convenient.
seamus coughlin
It's really fishy, right?
hannah claire brimelow
But the media has declared that it's a White Supremacist event, so therefore it has to be.
natalie winters
Almost as fishy as the whole Russia hoax.
serge du preez
Right.
unidentified
That's what I think, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like the FBI's gonna come out and be like, it was actually just a drill, we were just practicing to see what would happen.
natalie winters
The FBI headquarters was literally just, I mean, a block away from where they were marching, so... No, hold on.
seamus coughlin
I'm not some kind of conspiracy theorist lunatic who's gonna say that these guys are feds.
I'm not some conspiracy theory lunatic who's going to say this is Feds.
The obvious explanation is these are Russian agents from the Kremlin trying to support a democracy because Putin wants to reform the USSR, yes.
tim pool
No, they're Soviet and they were sleepers.
And when the Soviet Union collapsed, they didn't know because they were brainwashed.
And then, because Putin wants to bring the Soviet Union back, he activated the radio signal Which triggered all of them into acting for the Soviet Union.
seamus coughlin
Just like as a journalist, I could never say that the United States government did anything wrong.
Because being a journalist means defending the United States government.
Yeah, my anonymous source told me that.
tim pool
So you think about how insane that story is about Trump in the elevator where it said somewhere something Trump did something like that?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
That starts with like some rumor and then a bunch of journalists who are psychopaths chase after this insane rumor.
Imagine what's going to happen when someone gets an AI generated image on their phone And they go to a journalist, and intelligence agencies will do this, and they'll be like, journalist, I can't give you the photo because I'll get arrested because it's classified, but take a look at this.
And they'll show a low-res, AI-generated image of Donald Trump, you know, juggling bowling pins or something.
And then they'll be like, it's real.
And then they'll be like, but I can't give it to you, but, you know, keep it on the DL.
That journalist then goes and tells their boss, I saw the picture, it was Donald Trump juggling bowling pins, I swear.
You know, this source is good.
I've checked his credentials.
They're gonna go, wow, maybe we should run it.
And then just like BuzzFeed News released the Steele dossier, they will report, source at FBI confirms Donald Trump juggled bowling pins, and they'll just walk right into fake news.
That's where we're going.
hannah claire brimelow
I think that we should start doing this on purpose, though.
Like, you should write down a piece of paper, hold it up to a video camera with today's date, the story you're gonna tell every left-wing journalist that you know, and then wait until it becomes mainstream news.
And then be like, by the way, that was false.
Like, I know that sounds like spreading disinformation, but you should just point out that there are leaks, that there are people who take this information and intentionally try to paint everyone you know in a bad light.
tim pool
I think it's only a matter of time before those Tucker Carlson leaked videos get revealed to be deepfakes.
Or at least one of them.
Because I think about this, Media Matters will publish anything.
And so, what someone could theoretically do is take ten real videos, make one deepfake video, give them all to a leftist organization who will publish them all, then definitively prove the deepfake one by showing a video of them making it and say, you're fake news and you make up stories, then what happens?
The subject of those deepfakes can file a massive defamation lawsuit for the publication of a deepfake.
With proof.
And then what's gonna happen is, they're gonna say, we didn't know it was a deepfake, and they're gonna have to argue to the court, they thought it was real because of a source giving it to them, and then the argument can be made, no, they're lying, we want discovery, we think they made it themselves, and then the question is, where did they get it?
They're gonna have to reveal a bunch of information, and it's gonna destroy whatever smidgen of credibility they may have had with anybody.
seamus coughlin
Someone tweeted at me.
I can't watch right now since we're on air, but they tweeted something to me that has 55,000 likes.
It was posted yesterday, and it's, a Fed gets recognized and called out at their staged Patriot front march.
Who tweeted it?
This is from... Did you retweet it?
No, no, I have not retweeted it.
I can send it to you.
tim pool
Just retweet it.
seamus coughlin
It looks like a MAGA account.
I have no idea if it's legitimate or not, but someone just tagged me in this so it could be fun to watch.
hannah claire brimelow
I just don't understand, like, what this protest is.
Like, I'm sorry, they just walked through DC and they didn't say anything and then they got on the subway and left?
natalie winters
They had a banner and it said something to the effect of, I think, like, reclaim or rebuild the family.
hannah claire brimelow
So they're a pro-family group.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, hold on, I like this.
hannah claire brimelow
It's not a white supremacist group, it's just a pro-family group.
natalie winters
Reclaim families or something.
seamus coughlin
What does that mean?
hannah claire brimelow
They're just a pro-family group.
This is a pro-family extremist group, so they're getting it wrong.
natalie winters
Must reclaim them.
tim pool
Oh, Seamus just retweeted it.
seamus coughlin
I got the video here.
tim pool
Let's play it.
unidentified
You're video-saving us?
tim pool
That's not acceptable.
unidentified
You're trying to get us in trouble, sir.
Go find one.
seamus coughlin
I'm deleting the video.
unidentified
No, you're not gonna touch my phone.
You're not taking a video of us.
Look, dude, I recognize you.
Yeah, I know you do.
I'm deleting the video.
seamus coughlin
This guy literally walked up to him and said in the most licensed and registration tone I've ever heard in my life.
Give me that camera.
You cannot film that video.
Going to delete this.
unidentified
No, you're not gonna touch my phone.
You're not taking a video of us.
I mean, a lot of cops would do that.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't understand this.
He's taking a video even though you're not supposed to be recording?
tim pool
Where's, uh, so this is from yesterday.
Where, where, uh, James O'Keefe's trying to get a whistleblower.
Where, where's Antifa, man?
Antifa, the one time we actually need your help.
You know what I mean?
To go out and film these guys and figure out who they are.
Y'all, y'all are nowhere to be found.
hannah claire brimelow
But maybe that's the litmus test.
Antifa is not there, and therefore this is not real.
Like, fed on, fed violence.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
The feds aren't going to go film themselves.
Why would Antifa go film Patriot Front?
seamus coughlin
Dude, fed-on-fed crime makes me so sad.
I wish they got along better.
tim pool
You ever hear those stories about the FBI and the DEA stinging each other?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
Like the DEA is trying to sell drugs to the FBI, and they're like, freeze!
Federal law enforcement!
Wait, so were we.
Wait, what's going on?
seamus coughlin
So, when I was a kid, there was a car... That's three million dollars.
When I was a kid, there was a car at the end of our block being super sketchy.
And so my mom called the police.
She's like, look, there's something really weird going on.
I don't know what it is.
And then the police came and it turned out that they were undercover cops, like, pretending to commit a crime to, like, try to entrap somebody or catch them or something.
So we turned the feds against each other, I guess.
On accident.
Your mom reported the police to the police?
My mom called the police on the police.
unidentified
When they are actually terrorizing the neighborhood by pretending to be criminals.
seamus coughlin
No, they weren't, like, terrorizing, but they were up to something really, like, fishy that she did.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, but I'm sure your mom was not the only mom in the neighborhood who was like, um, what's with this lurking car?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah, she was not, like, she did not call the cops often, but it was, uh...
tim pool
Let's, uh, we'll jump to this next story.
We got this from TimCast.com.
Bud Light to release camo print bottles in attempt to recover from Dylan Mulvaney fiasco.
seamus coughlin
They're doing this on the eve of Pride.
hannah claire brimelow
They're going with camo for Pride.
tim pool
Bud Light sales at the end of May 6th was down 27.7%, and you can see all of Anheuser-Busch's brands, ABI brands, Anheuser-Busch, InBev, have dropped.
And this is what The Street says.
New Bud Light data suggests outrage against company is waning.
What does that really mean?
The reason why sales aren't getting any lower is because they've lost already around 30% of their sales.
So close to one third, let's just say a quarter, of their customers have dropped them.
As this spreads, it will probably stay around this number.
A lot of people don't care.
I went to a grocery store, they had Bud Light right in front.
I didn't even think twice about it.
It was like, have a barbecue, go out and grill and have tacos.
And then it was a bunch of stuff like taco shells, and I was like, whatever.
And then the whole row with both sides was all Bud Light.
And coolers, and I thought it was funny.
I was like, oh, look at that, all the Bud Light.
And I didn't realize it until later.
I was like, oh, wait, they moved all the Bud Light to the front of the store.
And it was on sale.
unidentified
I just, I love how... Sorry, I always kick this thing.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm a hazard.
seamus coughlin
I love just the blatant, hysterical overcompensation.
Like, no, we're not gay.
We're army guys.
Yeah, no, we're army guys now.
Yeah, for sure.
unidentified
Look at us.
seamus coughlin
I got camo beer.
We're camo now.
tim pool
It'd be funny if... No, but hold on, hold on.
seamus coughlin
You were wearing a dress last week.
tim pool
Camo?
Is it Navy camo?
seamus coughlin
No, I was gonna say they didn't do a Navy thing, though.
tim pool
The brand is blue, so they might go for the Navy blue.
I love the thing everybody was mentioning, like, the Navy made blue camo.
It's like you fall in the water and no one can see you.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Like, what's the point of that?
seamus coughlin
They're like, hold on, we have to push away from this reputation.
Let's do something manly, military service.
I got it!
It cuts to their commercial.
In the Navy!
hannah claire brimelow
Like, what is the best military brand?
We have a great idea.
No, I think this is sort of a crazy answer.
I hope that anyone can see that this is such a gross way to try to sell your product off the military.
seamus coughlin
Stolen power!
It's a little bit stolen power.
hannah claire brimelow
I think if Bud Light really wanted to sell their products, this is what they should do.
And I know it's going to sound insane, but I think they should just start infiltrating Pinterest with like a thousand ways to cook using only Bud Light.
It's cheap, you can get Bud Light, it's not expensive right now, some places you can get it for free, and you can cook it in your slow cooker, you can do all those things but you have to use Bud Light.
Eventually that's the only way to sell your product, you have to pretend that you're not actually a drink, you're just actually some random ingredient.
tim pool
I am getting more and more angry reading about this.
I am seriously pissed off reading this.
Anheuser-Busch will produce bottles of the camouflage print and images of the Folds of Honor program, which provides educational scholarships for children and spouses of fallen and disabled American military service members and first responders, according to the executive.
No, no, no, no, no.
Earmuffs, if your children are in the room, you have been warned.
Fuck you, Bud Light.
Go fuck yourselves.
This is probably ten times more offensive than anything they could have done.
They spit in your face, they mock you behind the scenes, they talk in private about how they know you're mad and they refuse to apologize, and then they say, I know, let's shove disabled military veterans in their faces as if that will absolve them of their responsibilities.
This is the most offensive way, in my opinion, to respond to the backlash.
seamus coughlin
Dude, well the first thing they did was bring up 9-11.
Seriously!
Which is wild!
They're like, uh, we're not gay, 9-11 ARMY!
America!
hannah claire brimelow
Don't you see that Clyde Stale?
We're the good guys!
seamus coughlin
With a horse!
We ride horses and we ride horses 9-11 army.
hannah claire brimelow
Also this foundation I feel sad for them because they're going to also get backlash like even if they're legitimately doing trying to do good work like why would you accept a partnership with Bud Light right now like I don't care how much you think they're worth this is a bad idea.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
If a company wants to align themselves with Bud Light, that the only thing this European company is doing, it's not an American company, is repeatedly kicking us in the stomach over and over and over again.
natalie winters
just don't buy their products. I mean, trying to placate American consumers. And I think it
dovetails honestly, kind of perfectly with the whole Russia hoax. It's like, we're gonna lie to
you. We're gonna offend you and your values for this long period of time. But you still need to
like, buy into the American system. You still need to trust the authorities. You still need to trust
the FBI, you still need to buy our products. We're not going to change anything. Yeah, we'll give you
the Durham report will vindicate you slightly. Yeah, we'll partner with like, you know, some 911
charity. But it's like, no, we're done with you. Like you said, I won't use the word but it's
unidentified
corporate America. They need to come out and be like, Hey, look.
tim pool
We're really sorry about this.
We had a marketing VP who wanted to endorse, and we think the campaign was not appropriate for our audience.
We didn't mean to offend anybody, so we hope you'll stick with us.
We will not be pursuing campaigns like this in the future."
I'd have been like, oh, that was really straightforward and very nice of them.
Instead, they just keep laughing behind the scenes, and they're doing these tricks to try and make it seem like sales are returning.
And all they keep doing is, instead of assuming responsibility, they absolutely refuse to say, we were wrong.
We were wrong, sorry guys!
We were wrong.
And they're digging deeper and deeper and deeper.
seamus coughlin
I gotta be honest, I think saying they're wrong still would not undo the damage.
I think a lot of dudes are just going to see this as a gay brand from now on.
It's going to gross them out for that reason.
They're not going to want to be seen as gay, or they're not going to want to support it, so they're not going to buy the beer.
That's it.
If they came out and were like, hey, Sawi was an accident, like our wonderful elected leaders do, and the people at the FBI, it still wouldn't do anything for them.
natalie winters
I think these woke marketing executives, though, their brains are so infested, like they have drunk the Kool-Aid on all of these social issues, that I also think that they also don't even actually want to make money for their companies, right?
That's not in their DNA, right?
Doing that is another cardinal sin that you can't engage with.
And so I think these people have always used these platforms to push social agendas, so they're not gonna apologize because they're like, no, we're using this venue, this avenue, for the explicit purpose that we were hired for, and I'm sure they have CEI beyond belief in terms of their hiring processes.
So you're self-selecting for these loons.
tim pool
They already disavowed Dylan Mulvaney behind the scenes, but they refuse to do it Up above the fold.
They refuse to do it in a statement.
They're going to their investors.
They're going to the distributors and saying, we don't have anything to do with this.
We disavow.
But then the customers who are angry, they're like, ignore those people.
They don't matter.
Instead, we'll make a camo print and say disabled veterans over and over again.
There you go, that'll get our customers back.
hannah claire brimelow
They want it to be like, now, if you aren't drinking our beer, it's because you hate disabled veterans.
You're like, I just haven't forgiven you for the past.
I mean, I wish they would just go dark, you know what I mean?
I wish they would just stop for a while.
Let yourself fade into the evil man.
I think people won't forget, I think you're right, but I think trying to start another campaign is only digging further into the hole, right?
Like, now it seems like you are just acting in the most smarmy way.
You're insulting military veterans, you're insulting the people who want to support military veterans, you're insulting your audience, and you're not making yourself more likable in the process.
Like, nothing is going to repair this.
The best thing they could do is to just stop talking for a while.
tim pool
Something funny, Seamus?
seamus coughlin
No, nothing.
tim pool
Something you want to share with the rest of the show?
seamus coughlin
No, nothing!
Serge just gave me a piece of paper with an idea on it that I also had earlier, by the way.
hannah claire brimelow
So you admit that you steal his ideas?
seamus coughlin
Nothing.
No, it's a cartoon that might be worthwhile.
It's about Bud Light.
I'll mention after the show.
You wouldn't want to spoil it.
But they've totally tanked themselves.
It's really embarrassing.
What they're doing is... It was super gross, but they've continued to be disgusting.
I don't see a way out of this for them, man.
I really don't.
If they're unbelievably fortunate...
people will forget, but that's probably not going to come up.
tim pool
No, it's just they keep, they keep, you know, the best thing could have done is nothing.
If they did nothing, if they made no commercial, no Clydesdale, no 9-11, no Folds of Honor,
and just literally said, guys, shut up, and we just drop all marketing, and we're just going to sit
back. And then everyone would be like, well, you know, they did that thing that one time, I'm not
And then it would have just tapered off.
Instead, they're like, can we, every week, punch our customers figuratively in the face?
seamus coughlin
Well, it's also, yeah, it's just wild.
Like, as if that's... They're going for this low-hanging fruit, right, that they know people will agree with, which is really insulting.
Like, 9-11 is something you're supposed to have reverence for, because...
A lot of people died.
It was an attack on American soil to be like, oh, you know what?
We'll come out as like anti 9-11 or caring about the fact that 9-11 happened and that'll make up for the fact that we pissed off all of our customers and they'll start to relate to us again is insanely insulting.
It's like insanely insulting.
tim pool
It's cultural to not buy this product.
Yeah.
There's video.
Someone posted a photo at a CVS where it's on sale.
They brought all the beer to the front.
They're like on clearance.
unidentified
Please take this.
tim pool
I went to a liquor store, and I was like, ooh, are they gonna put a Bud Light?
I didn't say, I'm like, where's the Bud Light, dads?
And then right there, right by the door, it said Bud Light sale, sale, sale.
All of it on sale, and you walk in, and they have a big shelf trying to get rid of it.
The product won't move.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's crazy.
I saw somebody send me something on Twitter.
It's like $4.95 for a 30 rack of Bud Light.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That's crazy.
Some of the staff here were mentioning that they were at a local bar, and they asked the bartender.
Bartender said they can't move it at all, so they took it off tap and put Coors Light in, because nobody will buy it.
You can't move a product, what are you going to do?
seamus coughlin
And this is what people don't realize, though, and this is part of why it's been so effective.
Everyone's arguing, oh, this is such a good move by conservatives on the part of the culture war, or this is such a huge victory in the culture war on behalf of conservatives.
I don't know how much of this is actually culture war in the sense that people who are invested in culture and politics are paying attention to it and strategizing, so much as it's just normal people being grossed out.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I think that's part of it.
It's a grassroots indication of the culture war, that it's not just about people who are in positions that are adjacent to the media.
It is about what the public actually will tolerate and what they won't.
I mean, we talk about all the time voting with your dollar.
This is the ultimate vote with your dollar moment.
They don't want companies like Bud Light.
Essentially making fun of them and assuming they'll take whatever advertising is doled out to them and they'll go along with it.
And I think that's a really powerful moment.
I mean, in some ways, it is, I think, something a lot of conservatives will look back on and say, like, we had an influence.
Like, yes, I'm sure Anheuser-Busch is suffering.
They're about to face massive layoffs.
There are probably really serious financial repercussions.
And there are people at Bud Light who don't deserve that, right?
Who didn't, who were never in a position to make these decisions.
On the other hand, I'm really grateful that as a culture there was something that we drew a line at.
seamus coughlin
I think a lot of this just boils down to the fact that a man in a dress is very off-putting.
It's a very off-putting thing.
And it's not so much people going, I'm insulted by the fact that this advertiser is trying to shove this down my throat and doesn't understand who I am as an advertiser or as a customer.
I think it's just them going, gross.
I don't want that.
hannah claire brimelow
It doesn't have to be one unanimous decision.
They just all collectively decided this was too far.
That they don't want to keep going with this.
And they think that's something that You know, people talk about the pendulum swing and with cultures we become more progressive or, you know, whatever else.
Like, this is one of those moments where I start to feel like it's swinging back the other way.
We're going to start slowly moving towards center after years and years of pushing everyone to these extremes.
tim pool
They went too far.
I want to jump to this story here.
We got a tweet from Gwyn Hogan.
Outside PS17 in Williamsburg, kids chant, quote, we support asylum seekers but not on school grounds.
You've got to hear it to believe it.
unidentified
We support asylum seekers, not on school grounds!
tim pool
You hear that? They're kind of just like trailing off, like muttering.
Let me just say, this is, there's a few ways I see this, and this is, these kids, one, probably were told to chant this, have no idea what's going on.
Two, it's like basically them chanting, thank you government for hitting me twice instead of thrice.
Like, the government is forcing illegal immigrants into your schools, and you're like, that part's okay, just not in my school, please.
Do it to somebody else, not me.
seamus coughlin
Also, this is so embarrassing, this is why conservatives lose, right?
They're buying into the framing.
That you're buying into their framing by apologizing in your statement.
We're like, look, we're not against asylum seekers, okay?
This is New York!
I understand that.
unidentified
These are New York liberals saying, thank you government, can I have another?
seamus coughlin
I know, but they're arguably debating from like a conservative position.
This is something people would call right-wing, like, oh yeah, you don't want them on school grounds.
How bigoted of you.
Well, they're coming out and saying they're against that, but they still feel this need to apologize.
tim pool
I think you guys are all mixed up, Seamus.
These are urban liberals who are standing outside, cheering for quote-unquote asylum seekers, and then being like, but like, why in my school?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, maybe it's just cocked.
tim pool
You should do it to someone else.
seamus coughlin
Maybe more like the Martha's Vineyard thing.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I feel like for me, it's like, Don't we get mad at the left when they make young children who are confused about their gender identity testify before their state legislature saying, like, if you don't allow this medical intervention to be passed then I will personally suffer?
Like, don't we not like it when we use children for our talking points?
Why are we bringing small children out here to say, please don't send adult, I assume they're adult, asylum seekers to our school?
Like, why are they having to have this battle?
Why is no adult fighting for them?
seamus coughlin
Also, I mean, just the fact that you would have to preface this with, I'm not bad, I don't have the bad opinion, but I don't want them here.
Well, you're gonna lose, because you're already starting from a position of, sorry.
Sorry, I'm sorry.
Yeah.
unidentified
Thank you, Governor, may I have another?
seamus coughlin
I'm sorry.
tim pool
So this is what happens.
I think this story is actually a really great example of modern politics in that these urban liberals say, it's okay that the government does bad things, just please do it to other people.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So the government says, we want to do a bunch of bad stuff.
They say, okay, so long as it goes over there.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I think you're right.
tim pool
Instead of just saying, no, don't do the bad thing to anybody.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's like, um, it's like what we saw with Martha's Vineyard.
That was hysterical.
They were freaking out, like, we can't handle all of these people!
Really?
natalie winters
It was like four dozen.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, how could you do this to us?
seamus coughlin
If any community in the country could handle it, it was Martha's Vineyard.
They're like, round them up!
Get rid of them!
natalie winters
But you know there's like no organic support for the issue when they roll out the children.
I remember they would always do the school walkouts at first.
It started with the gun violence and I remember at my high school, I forgot what shooting it was, but they staged a walkout out of class except the administration like sanctioned it and literally gave them a special space to hold it.
It was like, who are you walking out on?
hannah claire brimelow
The school I work for put it on the official schedule for Exactly.
natalie winters
And then they did the same thing with the climate change walkout.
And to be frank, I think that's why they're pushing a bunch of this transgender, you know, gay stuff on kids, because I think they realized the way that they sort of mainstreamed a lot of these climate change and school shooting issues was by getting the kids behind it and having them do these walkouts and mass protests.
They're like, if we can get the young kids You know, drinking the Kool-Aid on this issue.
hannah claire brimelow
It's the Greta Thunberg effect.
natalie winters
Right, exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
I can't tell you how many teachers were like, she's so inspirational.
natalie winters
Like, what a bizarre sign.
tim pool
It's like South Park, when they're like, what's going on, we're protesting the war?
Okay, yay, no school.
This looks like the teacher said, kids, at 11, we're all gonna go protest.
The kids are like, okay, I guess.
And the funny thing is, the kids don't even have any enthusiasm.
They don't even know what asylum means.
We've been they like they really don't care to say words and some of the kids are laughing clearly not paying
unidentified
attention Just like I'm not in school. What a crazy proposal. I don't
natalie winters
know that the specifics but to even have like asylum seekers on school
grounds like the fact that that's something that we're even Debating that there needs to be a protest about I mean
tim pool
But there but there aren't any asylum seekers anywhere because none of these people are asylum seekers
They're adult male economic migrants.
I doubt a single one of them is an asylum seeker.
They are men who are told online that they can come to the United States because the borders are open and there are jobs.
They go to the border and they talk to reporters and the reporter's like, why are you here?
And they're like, because there's jobs.
hannah claire brimelow
No, I think that is what happens.
Sorry, I can't fix this UFO.
I think, again, I have to go back to we don't like it when the left trots out children to argue their talking points.
So even if you're trying to say, like, this is slightly, you know, an immigration restrictionist talking point, Why are we making the children do it?
We have to hold ourselves to the same standards that we hold other people to.
And I think you're right.
I don't think these kids, these kids were like, hey, we can go outside.
You're gonna film us for social media?
Haha, hilarious.
Like, they don't care.
And I appreciate that about them, right?
Like, they're children.
They just want to go to school and hang out with their friends.
That's why we don't drag them into our political battle.
natalie winters
The feds probably didn't incite this protest.
We can't be sure.
hannah claire brimelow
But yeah, just No, it's just some social studies teacher who's like, I'm going to tell you about civic disobedience and we're all going to come outside.
I made these signs for you to hold.
tim pool
I had a teacher once who needed to get exercise so she would just turn it into a school thing where she's like, we have to go outside for science!
And then she would just like walk around and get real sweaty.
I'm like, we're not doing anything for science.
It's like we're in a city walking around the block.
seamus coughlin
At least you got to go outside though.
That was nice.
tim pool
Yeah, we didn't care.
We were like, yay, outside, woo!
And then the teacher was like, trust me, it's for science.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay, girl, we believe you.
Like, I think that's part of it, right?
Our education system is not extremely effective, especially these look like there are a ton of young boys.
Young boys don't benefit.
natalie winters
Those signs don't look too good.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, they don't benefit by sitting at a desk all day.
That's not the optimal learning situation for like, what are these, middle school boys?
I think that We can all agree it's good to have students get learning about the news and being engaged in cultural events, but like, I think this is some teacher saying, come on, let's organize something.
I think it's, I don't know, I get frustrated with stuff like this because it will see this video and nothing will happen, right?
If there are really adult men that are being inserted into the school, the fact that these kids are theoretically upset about it won't mean anything to the school board.
tim pool
That's kind of hilarious.
They were like, we got a bunch of adult men who need to sleep in your school kids.
It's like, well, all right.
Let me show you this other follow-up video.
This really exemplifies everything very well.
Listen to this.
unidentified
Families who fled war is what she's saying.
Fleeing.
Families who fled war is what she's saying.
tim pool
This woman should right right away there should be like there should be a group of people
who go to her and say ma'am I'm sorry but you can't vote anymore.
We're just not allowed.
seamus coughlin
We've all agreed.
Alright, so this is one massive problem with the discourse.
Whenever anyone tries to set any standard, no matter how reasonable, they're met with a million different concerns about the level of culpability there might be for people who want to violate that standard.
So, what she's essentially saying is, well, why did they flee?
Why are they here?
Okay, it doesn't matter.
They shouldn't be at that school.
That's it.
Either explain to me why that's an appropriate place for them to be and change my mind, or stop engaging with this conversation.
Don't give me a million and one reasons why we should feel bad for them.
We can feel bad for a lot of people, but we need to have rules as a society.
tim pool
For this woman, you don't approach her and argue with her and let her ask why you're blocking.
Say, why do you want adult men in the school?
Just give me a reason.
And then when she goes, their family's fleeing war, I'd be like, okay, well, that's not what we're talking about.
I'll say, okay, ma'am, if you came to me with a family and said this family fleeing war needs a place, I'd be agree with you.
But my question to you is, why do you want adult men By themselves, looking for jobs, sleeping in my kid's school.
seamus coughlin
And also, since you're so enlightened and empathetic and understanding, why don't you go buy some hotel rooms for him?
Why don't you take care of it instead of putting it on the children of the community by placing them in their schools?
tim pool
I proposed, I said, you know, let's get the Republicans on this one, a bill that says all You know, all these asylum seekers, you know, if someone comes into this country and applies for asylum, they should be placed inside the home of an urban liberal Democrat voter.
Go to New York and say they applied for asylum so they get to live in your house.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim pool
You voted for it, because you know what happened?
These people would vote for border security in two seconds if we did that.
The issue is, this video exemplifies how people in Democrat cities vote to bring in illegal immigrants and then try and force them on poor people, saying, not in my backyard, in your backyard.
No, no, no, no.
We're going to put them in your backyard from now on.
Let's get that bill.
These people go to cities and they put them in your house.
This lady who's like, their family's fleeing war.
Let's get two of these adult men and put them in her home.
natalie winters
And it's not just force them, it's then guilt and shame them if you dare to reject the, you know, hypothesis that just dozens of, you know, fighting age men should just be able to basically invade your country, invade your house.
And I think immigration is one of the issues that the elites really, really, really love to lie to us the most about.
And I know there are a lot of issues that could compete for that spot.
But I think they just love the issue of immigration, in part because I think at their core they hate this country, they don't think there's nothing to actually being American to them.
But the fact that they have the gall to stand up there, whether it's Democrats holding press conferences, you know, on the Hill saying that immigration is actually a boon to America, it's actually great for American workers, they're doing the jobs that Americans want.
It's such a lie.
It's so ridiculous when it's depressing the wages of American workers.
Particularly the people that Democrats purport to protect the most, minority communities, I just think they really get off on lying to the American people about immigration, and it's one of the issues.
Honestly, that red-pilled me.
I was born and raised in Los Angeles, and I saw firsthand how hypocritical these people were when it came to not just immigration but to every issue.
It was fine if it was happening elsewhere, you know, somewhere where they weren't impacted.
But the second it encroached, not even necessarily in their backyard, but just a little too close for
comfort, suddenly they reversed, at least in private, on the issue and they would do everything
seamus coughlin
they could to make sure it didn't affect them. I mean, you can very easily predict whether
someone is going to be liberal or conservative based on whether they're going to pay the price
for liberal policies. And people who have to pay the price for liberal policies inevitably become
conservative. And people who do not have to pay any price for it keep spouting their liberal
talking points and then shaming anyone who has to suffer because of their policies for not embracing
the suffering with absolute joy.
serge du preez
Yeah.
I mean, it's crazy as well.
If you go to LA, and you know this as well, if you're in Beverly Hills, the town police there, or like the area police, keep that little area very nice and very clean and very tidy.
You drive about 10 minutes down the street and you're on 6th Street, and it's a totally different story.
tim pool
Remember the guy who was cheering on on Twitter, the riots?
And then once the riots started heading towards Beverly Hills, he was like, No!
hannah claire brimelow
Why are you coming?
tim pool
He's tweeting like, Don't come here!
Go downtown!
Go where the poor people live!
seamus coughlin
No!
And then he said, Sorry!
hannah claire brimelow
To go back to the Martha's Vineyard example, they immediately removed them.
None of the migrants stayed on Martha's Vineyard.
They shipped them to Cape Cod, where they stayed on a military base.
They were willing to get rid of this problem as soon as it was inconvenient to them.
unidentified
That's why, again, I said this before, but- We're going to go to Super Chats!
tim pool
So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button?
seamus coughlin
I'll take credit.
serge du preez
It's running perfect for me.
There's no issues here whatsoever.
hannah claire brimelow
It's because I talked about Cape Cod.
They're so touchy on the internet about that.
tim pool
Yeah, on our end, everything is totally fine.
serge du preez
It's literally just YouTube.
unidentified
Lag spike.
tim pool
Glitch.
Yep, that's YouTube.
seamus coughlin
Sorry, I was stepping on a cable.
tim pool
It's the FBI.
It's like frame jumping now.
We've got no dropped frames, we've got perfect connection, we've got high-speed internet, so... Yep, just nothing wrong.
serge du preez
Anyway... Blame YouTube.
hannah claire brimelow
If this UFO was a thing that kept the show running and you guys sat me near it, I'm gonna be real mad, because I don't need this kind of pressure.
tim pool
Let's, uh, let's read some Super Chats.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, local distributor.
Stacked of pallid, uh, pallets of beer everywhere.
Bud Light in back corner nearly empty.
Me to clerk, dang, you selling lots of Bud Light?
Him, nope, it's the only beer we didn't restock.
Yeah, I mean, if you can't move it.
This is what John Rich said when he, at first he was like, look, we're not moving it.
We're not, we're not moving Bud Light.
That's, we're not getting rid of it because the boycott.
It's just nobody's buying it, so what are we supposed to do?
We're gonna, we're gonna stock a different beer if nobody wants it.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's gonna go bad otherwise.
tim pool
Yep.
Holistic Patriot says, we want official Tim Pool beanies.
Big boxes of official beanies.
Actually, I got one right here.
seamus coughlin
Whoa, whoa.
Hold on.
I'm a journalist now.
Give me a beanie.
There you go.
tim pool
Seamus is going to put on the official TimCast beanie.
seamus coughlin
Should I have, like, which logo facing forward?
This one?
tim pool
Well, it can also be worn like a slouch beanie if you unfold it.
seamus coughlin
Oh, no way.
tim pool
Yeah, so you can wear it however you want to, as long as it's frozen.
And then I can see on our back and everything seems to be fine.
Alright, where are we at?
Wrath of Paul says, you were talking about bear attacks yesterday, and my first thought was I'd rather take my chances with the bears in the middle of nowhere than live among humans in some of these big cities.
Completely agree.
hannah claire brimelow
We do need bear wrestlers, that's what I learned yesterday.
seamus coughlin
As a journalist, I believe it is the case that more people are harmed by other people than bears.
That is a fact.
natalie winters
From you, a journalist.
The fact-checkers agree.
seamus coughlin
That is, I've learned.
Thank you.
hannah claire brimelow
The fact-checkers in the room, they're consenting.
seamus coughlin
The fact-checkers all agree with me.
I am correct.
hannah claire brimelow
It's funny because it's slightly, it's sort of your Tucker Carlson voice, just not quite so extreme.
seamus coughlin
This is how I talk.
hannah claire brimelow
It's your journalist voice.
seamus coughlin
This is my journalist voice.
tim pool
All right, Mad Max says, Derm Report in six words.
They all got away with it.
Watch Greg Gutfeld's epic rant about the Derm Report.
Very interesting.
All right, where are we at?
Unwoke says, I like the name of your decaf coffee.
Sure do wish I thought of it first.
Talk about seditious conspiracy.
So we have two decaf brands or blends.
There's a light and a dark decaf.
Sleepy Joe and Unwoke.
That's right.
And those were the names came up were thought of by our members.
seamus coughlin
If you want to buy our coffee go to castbrew.com.
You'll be able to buy them there.
hannah claire brimelow
Like you're actually part of this.
tim pool
Seamus can't do it.
He can't impersonate.
seamus coughlin
I'm getting close.
See, practice makes perfect.
Practice makes perfect.
As a journalist, I will learn.
tim pool
But you're but like You're just talking.
seamus coughlin
That's how you're talking.
tim pool
But you're not changing your voice.
seamus coughlin
We sound so similar.
tim pool
Uh-huh.
It's that- that famous Garfield- Joe Rogan is also hard to do an impression of.
seamus coughlin
I know.
I'm getting- I'll nail yours down eventually.
tim pool
Like Trump is a little difficult.
unidentified
But he has that nasally, you put your tongue over your nose.
You put your tongue over the back of your mouth when you talk to get that nasally kind of thing.
tim pool
And then you gotta get that country.
You go down when you say it.
seamus coughlin
Everyone in the chat, tell me, do I sound like Tim?
Let me know in the comments below.
tim pool
You don't.
seamus coughlin
They'll decide.
They will decide.
tim pool
That was more like Tucker Carlson.
hannah claire brimelow
You don't sound like him, but I can understand what cadence you're almost picking up on.
seamus coughlin
Does that sound like it makes sense?
No, I know what you mean.
I'm like, that's what I have so far.
We'll work on it.
I'll keep doing the Tim voice, and then eventually I'll have a Tim impression down.
unidentified
No!
seamus coughlin
How could you guys say no?
Eventually I'll get the Tim impression down, and then on days where you're sick, I'll just put the beanie on, and I'll... Here's my point, look.
tim pool
Jordan Peterson has this thing where he's like, psychologist.
He's got this, like, way of speaking to him.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
tim pool
And then, like, for whatever it is about me or Joe, it's just generic, perhaps?
Like, Joe has a unique voice, you know when you hear it, but impersonating it's like, how do you You can't.
seamus coughlin
It's tough.
tim pool
You can't get it.
seamus coughlin
Well, Joe Rogan's voice is, it's, it's like, I think you could probably get his cadence down, but his actual intonation, like his voice, I'm sorry, you could get his intonation too, but the voice itself is so unique.
tim pool
We gotta send one of these beanies to Michael Malice.
Because he did that one episode where he wore the same clothes as me, and then he kept the beanie, and he hung up on his wall.
serge du preez
Right, I literally got asked on Twitter what I like about Michael Malice, and I said that he's a showman and he's not afraid of costumes.
tim pool
Yeah.
He also has the... I think we gave him the aluminum foil hat that Alex Jones made.
serge du preez
No way.
tim pool
I mean, those are artifacts, man.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
Definitely.
tim pool
All right, where are we at?
Where are we at?
What do we have on these here super chats?
Let's find a good super chat.
seamus coughlin
One day I'll get my impression of Tim down.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you practice?
seamus coughlin
And then you'll all be sorry.
You'll all be sorry.
Well, clearly not.
If I did, it would be A+.
hannah claire brimelow
But you do?
What if you've been practicing for years already?
It's just that difficult.
seamus coughlin
It's a really hard one to crack, but I'll get it.
tim pool
Let's grab some.
What do we got?
Sporkwich says, they're not conspiracies, they're spoilers.
I've heard people try and do Joe Rogan, and they just, they can't get Joe Rogan.
natalie winters
Maybe that's what the video of Trump in the elevator was.
unidentified
It was Trump impersonating Joe Rogan.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh.
hannah claire brimelow
I do want to see that video then.
Seamus, as a journalist, please find Trump doing an impression of Joe Rogan.
seamus coughlin
I will.
I think it's my duty.
hannah claire brimelow
As a journalist.
tim pool
Joe Hill says, don't forget Ukraine also interfered in the 2016 election by helping Clinton with Steele dossier.
Ukraine, I think it was Manafort documents, wasn't it?
unidentified
I thought it was Manafort.
tim pool
And then even Politico said that they were scrambling after interfering to help the Clintons.
And then Politico wrote another article later claiming that their article was disinformation from Russia.
Just hilarious.
Politico is Russian disinformation, says Politico.
hannah claire brimelow
But they told you themselves, so you can't be mad at them.
tim pool
Joshua says, once again, Seamus is rolling 20s.
He's literally the reincarnation of Midas at this point, because everything about him is pure gold, even the potatoes.
seamus coughlin
You are so kind, thank you.
Except my Tim impression.
But, I do appreciate the compliment.
It's very kind.
tim pool
Amish Man says, incredible guest.
I was a huge fan of yours growing up watching you on Boy Meets World.
Please tell Ben Savage to come on TimCast IRL next.
Do you hear that a lot?
natalie winters
I get that a lot, and I actually didn't know who she was at first.
tim pool
I don't know her name.
natalie winters
Topanga.
tim pool
I know the character is Topanga, but I don't know the actress's name.
unidentified
I should know.
Topanga?
tim pool
Well, like, they were stoned when they were writing that show.
They were like, it's like a show about a kid in school, and, you know, his name is... What was his name in the show?
hannah claire brimelow
Cory, right?
tim pool
I think Cory, but there's also... Cory's a good name, and then you got like John, Mike, Bill, and Topanga, and they're like, what was that last one?
hannah claire brimelow
And her explanation is like, I've never really seen the show, but it's like, her parents are hippies, and let's not talk about it again, right?
serge du preez
Well, there's Topanga Canyon.
unidentified
Yeah they're saying like she's named after like above Malibu yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
But the thing is like some TV shows names that are in them become popular sort of trend as baby names but I don't think anybody picked up on the Topanga trend.
natalie winters
I think it's kind of a cool name.
hannah claire brimelow
Is this what you're gonna name your daughter?
natalie winters
Maybe.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh future Topanga.
natalie winters
Too on the nose.
No people always say that and I never Do you watch the show?
No.
Honestly, growing up, I never really watched movies or TV, so I never understand pop culture.
I was on War Room once on an episode, and Steve turned to me.
He was asking me how I do a lot of my reporting, and I said, well, primarily pattern recognition.
And he goes, you're just like Rain Man.
And I didn't know what he meant by that, so I was like, Thank you?
And then I later looked it up and I was like, oh, I think you just called me, like, autistic.
Which I could, I don't know.
tim pool
But Rain Man was really good at playing Blackjack.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, he's really good at math.
natalie winters
So, take me to a casino.
tim pool
I hadn't seen Rain Man.
I only saw it passively when I was a kid.
But I know the trope is like, they go to Vegas and they play Blackjack.
So I was like, I really want to watch this movie.
And it's barely about that.
It's literally just a story about a guy who comes to love his brother that he had just met for the first time.
And I was like, oh.
I thought it was like about- It's a sweet film.
It is.
I thought it was gonna be about, like, I thought the movie was literally a guy takes his brother to Vegas to win a bunch of money and get super rich, when it was really a guy finds out he has a brother, at one point goes to Vegas one time, gets kicked out, but then decides that he loves his brother, even though his brother is developmentally disabled, and then tries to fight for custody, but then eventually just ends up visiting him periodically, and I'm like, oh.
That's not at all what I thought the movie was going to be.
natalie winters
I read the Wikipedia summary and thought it's not at all what I gathered from that.
I thought it was just about gambling.
unidentified
That's the part people remember.
hannah claire brimelow
Isn't there a movie about some guy at MIT who's then part of a secret poker league?
tim pool
Yeah, and they're counting cards.
seamus coughlin
This happens though where you'll remember a movie being about something and you remember that being the whole movie and it turns out that's just like a 10 or 15 minute sequence.
Like I remember I rewatched Home Alone a couple years ago and the sequence where he's like beating up on the burglars with his booby traps I think is like 10 to 20 minutes.
It's really, most of the film is just about him like running around being stupid while his parents are gone.
tim pool
And when he's in New York, you know, he just meets Donald Trump.
That's the whole movie.
It's just two hours.
seamus coughlin
It's literally just the same movie twice.
It's the exact same movie twice.
Like, every plot point is just copying New York.
hannah claire brimelow
It's the only time I understood sequels, right?
They're like, this format worked.
Children loved it.
We'll plug in slightly different variables.
We'll do it again.
seamus coughlin
That makes sense to me.
Who's even the same criminals in New York, you know?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, sure.
Who else would be after him?
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
We don't want to create too many bad guys.
We don't want to freak children out.
seamus coughlin
That's true.
There aren't that many bad people in the world.
tim pool
Sean Austin says, Tim, deepfake Trump in an elevator picking his nose and release it as the elevator tape ultimate troll.
I saw that so I went on mid-journey and I just made Trump screaming and then Trump crying and then it's Trump holding his neck going like in an elevator and I just quote tweeted the Huffington Post thing like there it is there's your there's your I found it.
unidentified
Best journalist ever!
seamus coughlin
I tried a couple and I couldn't get it to work because they violated the TOS.
I wrote like, Trump firing a gun into the air, yelling, and it wouldn't make it.
tim pool
Well every time I tried to make Joe Biden or Trump, Uh, it would say rejected, and I'd have to click appeal, and then it would say your appeal has been approved, and it would make the image.
And then the weirdest thing is, I tried doing some very basic images.
What I was trying to do was take a picture, an existing picture, and then write something like, a woman standing in this picture, and then it would be like, rejected, this is inappropriate content, and I was like, what?
You know what I think was happening?
So Mid Journey is trained on the internet, and I think the issue is, the prompt discovered, like, my prompt was innocuous.
A woman standing in a forest.
I was like, here's, and then you can upload the picture and then it'll render it.
I think Midjourney was trying to make sexual images because of what the internet is when you search for women.
Maybe like sports bras or like women in bikinis and stuff like that.
So the AI was like, nope, this is making something naughty, we can't show it to you.
And I was just like, wait a minute.
Like, I did not ask for anything bad.
I'm trying to just see what Midjourney can do here.
So a bunch of the stuff I tried doing, I would put like, here's the trick, you put High-res photograph, caption, Getty Images.
And then what that'll do is it'll imitate a Getty image, which is typically like news footage of an event.
And that's how I made Donald Trump running with Sonic the Hedgehog, and it looks actually like Trump is running.
Sonic looks totally fake, because of course Sonic's not a real thing, but Trump looks like he's actually running.
And then I wrote America's back.
So those are some of the tricks.
You'll also notice if you go into the mid-journey rooms in Discord, there's this huge wall of text people use that lists a whole bunch of camera and file formats to force the AI to make high-resolution, high-dynamic range photographs that look really, really good.
Yeah, it's crazy what they can make when you put in that massive prompt.
It's cool stuff.
Yeah.
Cain Abel says, Seamus, if you want to be a journalist, just copy the mainstream by making bull crap up.
That is pretty much all they do now.
You can just add a twist to it to make it funny.
seamus coughlin
I'm excited to start doing that.
tim pool
Yeah, so like, let's do this.
You don't want to get sued, so Seamus put on this beanie, right?
Well, as we know, news outlets have claimed Tim Pool is far-right.
We can now write, Seamus Coghlan dons offensive far-right costume on air, considered deeply offensive by many, shocking display, etc, etc, and then, you know, people can start to imagine.
After you tweet that out, I am shocked by Seamus Coghlan donning such a racist and far-right costume that's deeply offensive to marginalized people.
Someone else can then say, summarizing, Seamus Coghlan was accused of wearing racist outfit.
So you can keep changing the story.
This is what they do.
seamus coughlin
And then it's me dressed as a leprechaun.
tim pool
But it's all, it's all, you can't sue over it because it's, it's, this is what's happening to our society.
It's the bank robbery analogy I used.
A guy walks up to a bank and throws a burlap sack on the steps and keeps walking.
That's not illegal.
Another guy walks in, picks up the burlap sack and throws it in the lobby, carries out his business.
Another guy brings the burlap sack to the counter and says, I think someone dropped this and then leaves.
Another guy throws a note, a demand note, onto the steps.
Someone brings it in.
No one knows who wrote it or where it came from.
The guy who picked it up on the ground didn't do it.
And then all of these people did one little thing.
So when the money is removed from the bank and then thrown into a truck, not a single person robbed the bank, no one goes to jail.
This is what's happening right now in society.
Journalists will say something like, I heard Seamus was racist.
And then someone will write, Shameless, comma, a deeply racist individual, or a man accused of being deeply racist, comma, and then someone else will see that and be like, Shameless Coughlin is known as a deeply offensive racist who makes racist comments.
They'll just keep changing the story until they make up and fabricate their own sources, and then they can write whatever they want.
They can be like, Seamus, you're a controversial figure who's been accused of being a racist.
What do you say to that?
And you're like, when?
By who?
And then it's this huge chain of fake news written by the same people over and over again.
unidentified
Exactly.
seamus coughlin
Well, we have this source, this source, this source, this source, this source.
It's idea laundering.
hannah claire brimelow
It's several Google page results deep that they have this, but there's no supporting evidence.
tim pool
All right.
KJ Seeth says, Tim, I have grown towards Vivek's message.
Do you think his campaign is real or is it for book sales?
I think it's real.
I think a reasonable person can conclude that Vivek probably won't win, but a lot of people run for messaging purposes.
I'm not going to tell you.
I think Vivek really does want to win.
I genuinely think so.
I would argue that he probably knows he wouldn't, but I'm not going to say that because I don't know what he's thinking.
I think he's a smart guy.
He knows his likelihood of winning is very low.
I would imagine his intent is to force a message on ESG onto the debate stage and to push this into modern politics.
However, I think he's trying to win and he wants to win.
I think even Trump was surprised that he won.
What was the story like on election night when the results came in?
He was like, did we win?
Did that really happen?
Like, wow.
He didn't think it was gonna happen.
But I think Vivek's great.
I think he's great.
What do we got here?
AbsintheX says, Seamus, Catholic Church has commands as don't covet your neighbor's wife and things, but Exodus only says don't covet anything, so which commandment was removed so the count still comes out as 10?
seamus coughlin
Wait, hold on.
You're saying Exodus says... So, Exodus does list a number of things you can't covet there.
But, if you actually read Exodus 20, it's a number of different statements.
So, Jewish people and Protestants number it a little bit differently than Catholics.
So, for example, at the end, we break up the 9th and 10th commandment into, Thou shalt not covet your neighbor's goods or covet your neighbor's wife.
I'm sorry, covering your neighbor's wife is the 9th commandment, covering your neighbor's good is the 10th commandment, but yeah, there are other things listed.
I guess I'm not entirely sure what he's asking, like what was... I don't know if I understand either.
unidentified
Yeah, could you re-read that?
tim pool
He's basically saying that... I honestly don't know.
Some say don't cover anything, some say don't cover your neighbor's wife and things.
seamus coughlin
Oh, okay, so there are a number of differences, right?
So, for example, if you—and I have this pulled up here—but, you shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above, or on earth beneath, or in the waters below.
You shall not bow down before them or worship them, for I am the Lord your God.
I am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sins of the parents.
to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me but showing love to a thousand generations of love for those who love me and keep my commandments okay so yeah that's that's compressed into you shall not make graven images the way protestants some of the ten commandments as catholics we lump Taking other gods before him as something that also prohibits making graven images and then worshipping them.
So there are different ways that these things are numbered.
But that's not something that people don't acknowledge.
That's not a secret, I guess, is my point.
tim pool
We should do an episode of The Culture War with you and Ian.
Because you guys were supposed to do that long-form conversation that never happened, so we should get together on that one.
Alright, Noah Sanders says, where is the TimCast fact-checking non-profit company?
We're all still waiting to have fact-checkers we can trust, keep up the great and hard work, in the process of filing.
So, I think it takes like years?
Yeah.
The problem is, typically a non-profit will start in a state, get their federal number, and then file in the state to do everything.
These systems were created back before the internet.
So typically, if you start a non-profit, it was just in one state, and you filed, and then you'd operate.
Now, we have to file in every single state because our audience exists all over the country.
Which brings up another issue.
A lot of people are asking, you know, their members, and they were asked to update their address or information.
It's because We have reached a threshold now where we have members in every different state and territory, so we have to collect that information for tax purposes.
It's a legal requirement.
And then, we have to pay those taxes.
So, that's reality.
As for the fact-checking non-profit, we've got some prominent individuals who have said they're committed on donating to help fund this operation.
We're really excited for it.
We probably need to figure it out.
The challenge for us is managerial because of how many different states
and how many different regulations there are.
But I think we might be able to hire somebody and then get some revenue from a single state
where we filed so far and then use that to kickstart the process.
So, it just, it is what it is.
We're working on it.
You know?
Ben Keith says, The judge for tomorrow's Kerry Lake trial gutted Kerry's case in a ruling today.
Now, Kerry's lawyer cannot question if the signature verification process was fraudulent, only if a check took place for questionable ballots.
So, I think, based on what I read, Carrie Lake still has a decent case.
If she can show that signatures don't match, you can make the argument that the process did not take place, right?
So, Katie Hobbs, I went over this, this is really funny.
So, Katie Hobbs has a guide as Secretary of State, this is from 2020, on how to verify signatures and what makes something questionable.
I pulled up the New York Times, where it's like, here's 11 signatures, which ones match?
And then based on Katie Hobbs' signature verification guidelines, I successfully chose the two signatures that matched out of 11.
I was actually surprised I was able to pull that off.
I thought I was going to get it wrong, but I got it right.
Based on that information, if Carrie Lake says, here's a handful of ballots that do not adhere to Katie Hobbs' guidelines, she could argue this shows they did not signature verify.
They might argue, no, it just means the verification was poorly done.
I think, well, hold on, if the guideline says, if it does this, this, or this, it's not verified, and these things don't adhere to the guideline, you can argue they didn't verify it, not that it was poorly done, they just didn't even do it.
I think that's what she's gonna have to argue.
But I've not seen the evidence.
We've gotta see her present the evidence, we'll see.
She posted photos of 2020 ballots, right?
Let's see what they got.
unidentified
Let's grab some more super chats.
tim pool
The TJ Drummer says, Bud Light launching this campaign so close to Memorial Day 2.
Rolling a huge one, guys.
unidentified
Oof.
tim pool
Yup.
Kevin Cosnahan says, Heineken's cheers to all the fans commercial seems to have taken shots at Bud Light at the end of the commercial.
Ooh, I haven't seen that one.
I gotta check that one out.
Let me write that one down.
Heineken commercial.
I'll check that one out when we wrap.
What do we got?
Lama says, hey Tim, for those of us who don't drink coffee, maybe you could start a line of teas, a fun Roberto-inspired line of teas, maybe something like Cock Teas.
It's very, very clever.
We are currently working on, for Casper.com, supplements, but like protein powder and MCT, so probably we're never going to do any kind of vitamins or weird brain blast stuff.
I don't, I'm not into that stuff.
But what I am into when exercising is like a protein powder, an MCT powder.
We're big fans of that stuff.
So we're thinking of creating our own blends and launching our own.
We're looking at what we can do in terms of proprietary blends and mixes and the regulations and all that stuff.
But we think we might actually be able to launch that very, very soon.
Very excited for that.
And then for Roberto-inspired lines of teas, we're talking about Roberto Jr.
Now, as for Roberto, the original king, maybe we'll make, uh, uh, you know, a medium roast called, like, Return of the King Roberto, you know?
hannah claire brimelow
I like that.
tim pool
Yeah, Return of the King.
But also, Roberto Jr.' 's getting close to retirement.
That's right.
hannah claire brimelow
Who's his successor?
tim pool
I don't know.
We don't know yet.
hannah claire brimelow
Do they have to audition?
What's the, like, how does it work out?
tim pool
No idea.
No clue.
But we don't want Roberto Jr.
So we're incubating a whole bunch of Roberto Jr.
babies right now.
I think like 30-something.
He's a rooster.
natalie winters
I was gonna say, who is this?
tim pool
Yeah, we're gonna have a whole bunch of babies.
seamus coughlin
You don't know who Roberto Jr.
unidentified
is?
natalie winters
No, I know.
I'm exposing myself.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
He's very famous.
hannah claire brimelow
He's not from our world.
seamus coughlin
Who vets these people?
tim pool
After he has the babies we don't want, just like with Roberto, where Roberto banged his daughter and it's because chickens do this.
natalie winters
Okay, I'm glad you established that we're talking about chickens because if I thought we were talking about humans and you said that I would have been concerned.
hannah claire brimelow
He's a complicated character.
tim pool
Roosters do this.
Chickens do this.
You can only do it so much and so we remove Roberto and bring in his son, which still does have Roberto genetics in there.
natalie winters
I think War Room needs to start a farm.
I don't know if we have the space in D.C., but I'm very impressed.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you jealous of the chicken empire?
natalie winters
I really am.
We don't have anything to show.
Yeah, we have like 50-something.
tim pool
We're going to have like 70 chickens.
Oh, and also, they had babies.
The Silkies had four babies, and the Cochin had two.
They've just decided to take it upon themselves to make more of themselves.
and uh they decided they are reclaiming the family it is it is the radical pro-family i gotta tell you it is horrifyingly magical to see the chicken with like the little chickens underneath it and then you open the thing and it looks at you and it goes like Like if you come near my babies.
seamus coughlin
It's a chicken insurrection.
tim pool
But you can lift up the mom and she looks around and you can see the little babies going like, and then she tries to keep them warm and stuff.
It's very, it's very cute.
And when it's like raining, the chick mom will like cover the babies to keep them dry.
unidentified
And it's great when you like that at war room.
tim pool
Yeah, it's great when they when they have their own babies because they'll protect them.
Whereas if you incubate them, you have to protect them because chickens don't care.
They're like, I am my baby.
No.
Let's grab, uh, we'll grab one more super chat here.
What do we got?
In the old, uh, super chat as YouTube, YouTube's breaking down.
hannah claire brimelow
So, uh... We finally broke YouTube?
Hooray!
tim pool
Clayton Webb says, ordered coffin April 22nd, haven't shipped.
Any ideas when to expect?
It should be soon.
So, um...
We sold way too much way too quickly and it overloaded, so I apologize.
Nice humblebrag, Tim.
We didn't expect it.
I mean, I think we had several thousand of each available and then it all just sold basically instantly and we're like, oh man, and we had to like rush and try and sell more.
And then I had to put in a bunch of personal money to try and cover the costs.
So it is making money, but it's selling too quickly, so we can't keep up with orders.
We're hoping to get to that point of equilibrium, and then it'll stabilize.
But yeah, so thank you for buying Cast Brew Coffee, and the coffee shop is currently underway with A lot of work being done and it's taken a long time because inspections, plumbing, just a whole bunch of crazy stuff to get it up and running, but it's coming.
So if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com.
That members-only show will be up in about 10 minutes on the front page of TimCast.com.
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Natalie, do you want to shout anything out?
natalie winters
I'm Natalie G. Winters on Twitter and all the social media platforms and of course tune in to War Room 10 to 12 and 5 to 7.
seamus coughlin
My name is Seamus Coghlan.
I'm a journalist.
I am also a political cartoonist and satirist.
I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
If you guys want to support that channel and what I do, then go over to freedomtunes.com and become a member.
You'll get an extra cartoon each week that only members get.
We're also going to be uploading more stuff like behind-the-scenes podcasts.
There are perks like being entered in raffles to be a background character in videos.
So please head over there, check that out.
Thank you very much.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah Clare Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should 110% follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
It's great.
If you want to follow me personally, you can follow me on Instagram at hannahclare.b and on Twitter at hcbrimlow.
Thank you so much.
serge du preez
And I am Serge.com.
Sorry about the audio.
It's not me.
So yeah, follow me at twitter.com.
I had a lot of fun arguing with you guys yesterday.
It's always great.
I love it.
tim pool
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