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March 29, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Matt Walsh CANCELS College Speaking Event Over Far Left DEATH THREATS w/Sean Spicer
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tim pool
Today's been particularly crazy.
We had, on Monday, following this mass tragic incident, the press secretary for Katie Hobbs, a Democrat, post a photo of a woman pointing to handguns saying, what we do when we see transphobes.
This Democrat press secretary has now resigned because that was outright a declaration, or some have viewed it as a call to violence, against their political enemies.
We've got a lot more going on.
It's been a particularly crazy day.
Matt Walsh was supposed to speak at a college tomorrow, but he's cancelled due to threats against him and his family.
We obviously have the Trans Day of Rage is still going on and news breaking that the group behind it recently had a gun training and raised money to purchase a bunch of weapons, or at least I believe that's what's being reported.
We'll get into the full details.
And then strangely, a wave of school shooting hoaxes All over the country, and the calls came from outside the United States.
So, the initial reporting that I heard was that it was in Pittsburgh, that numerous schools had received phone calls about an active shooter incident.
We saw videos online of emergency vehicles rushing to the schools.
Then we heard it was happening in other parts of the country as well.
Someone from outside the U.S.
started making these phone calls.
Something crazy is happening, and this weekend has me particularly worried.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a lot more is Sean Spicer.
sean spicer
Great to be back.
tim pool
Always a pleasure.
I think everybody knows you, but who are you and what do you do for those that don't?
sean spicer
I host a show on Newsmax at five o'clock every night.
I just put out a brand new book called The Parrots Go Bananas.
It's available on BraveBooks.com.
It talks about the ills of fake news and you want to talk about a great deal.
I mean you mentioned Public Square.
These are guys who put out great Christian patriotic books that speak to our values and they get to what They allow kids to actually read something.
As a father of two kids that are 12 years old, you want something that you can have your kids that have something that builds character, that talks about something that you can feel comfortable as a parent knowing that they're not being indoctrinated with.
You know, I don't actually talk about fake news in the book, but it's something that you can read to your kids and know that they're dealing with issues that they're going to face as children, that they know how to do the right thing.
So, you know, Brave Books has been a great partner to help educate kids.
They've got great authors.
I was with Kirk Cameron, Jack Placibic, the libs of TikTok author, Chaya, today, and we were out there talking about it with kids, our books, and it was fun.
And this is what Brave Books has been all about.
So it's been fun to partner with them.
ian crossland
It looks like the allegory is that the parrots are the referees and they may have gone crazy.
sean spicer
Well, the parrots are actually the bad people in this book.
They actually are the they are helping to perpetuate false news. So they
they you've got good characters in this book and they are spreading bad news through the system
called tubular, which is like YouTube.
But we help the kids understand what happens if you spread false information.
You know, I've had, I mean, I know you guys have all dealt with it or seen it, you talk about it all the time.
I've been accused of things.
I know a lot of people have seen it, dealt with it themselves.
And so part of it was, what happens if you're accused of something falsely?
But also, and I think this is like what I see with my kids a lot, that they're encouraged to pile on.
So it's not always if you're the ones that are accused, because there's only a small percentage of people that have that.
But I think more likely than not, you're encouraged to jump on the bandwagon.
And that's where I wanted to write, because that's what kids deal with.
It's like, you know, let's accuse this kid of being the bad person.
And part of the book is, whoa, slow down a moment.
Let's get all the facts first.
Think about a guy like Nick Sandman from Covington Catholic, who by the time all the facts came out and all the video was out, The bell had been rung and you can't unring that bell.
And I think part of this, and this is what we're talking about today with these kids, was let's slow down.
Don't judge.
Let's presume the good in people.
Let's not try to go out there and convict people before we have all the facts.
And that's what I think we need to be teaching kids.
tim pool
Right on!
So this should be interesting.
We have a lot to talk about.
We also have Hannah-Claire Brimelow hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hi, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
That book sounds awesome.
sean spicer
Well, thank you.
ian crossland
And I'm Ian Crossland from IanCrossland.net.
What's up?
And we also have Serge Duprea.
Yes.
unidentified
I'm muted because I generally keep muted.
What's up, guys?
Serge.com.
sean spicer
Let's have a good show.
tim pool
Let's jump into this first story.
Now, this was difficult because we have a couple big stories.
We have Democrat press secretary for Katie Hobbs, Jocelyn Barry, resigning.
But we also had news earlier in the day from Matt Walsh.
I think most of you know who he is.
If you don't, he is a prominent conservative commentator.
He put together the documentary, along with the Daily Wire crew and many others, What is a Woman?
Challenging gender ideology.
He was supposed to speak at Washington and Lee University, but due to threat- Let me just read the tweet for you.
It says, Sadly, I have to postpone my speech at Washington and Lee University due to threats against my family and other serious security concerns in Nashville this week.
I cannot leave my family and fly to another state.
I hate to push the event off, but my wife and kids come first.
I intend to continue my spring college tour as planned in the coming weeks.
The event at Washington and Lee will be rescheduled as soon as possible.
The threats to my family only make me more determined to fight this evil.
I will not let any harm come to my children or my wife, and I will not let these psychopaths scare me into silence.
Neither of those things will ever happen, I promise you.
In case it wasn't clear, This is nothing to do with Washington and Lee University.
The event was coming together well and everything was perfectly fine.
May have been some protests planned but nothing major.
The potential danger is at home which is why I need to be at home.
So things are getting absolutely crazy.
We have many conservative commentators banned on Twitter still.
for calling out this trans day of vengeance.
And it's really weird.
I was thinking about this earlier.
Obviously, we had this tragedy that happened on Monday.
This psychopath goes into a school slash church, kills children and faculty members.
And then what do we see?
There's a viral video going around, libs of TikTok post it, of a trans activist telling people to get weapons and to go physically beat people.
I've never seen anything like this.
Typically, when, let's go back in time, when we had Andy Ngo get attacked, You actually had the corporate press come out and be like, okay, okay, this goes too far.
Now you actually have the corporate press coming out and saying, well, the real victims here are the trans activists.
Despite the fact they're sending death threats to the family of Matt Walsh and planning a violent action, a day of vengeance, starting Friday into Saturday and Sunday.
I call it a day of vengeance, but now they're saying it's going to be three days.
They're saying it's still going to be happening.
sean spicer
But this is backwards.
I just don't understand this, that it's everybody else's fault that this individual went out.
I mean, right now, the person that perpetrated this crime and killed six people is being equated to a victim.
What is going on?
I just, I don't understand what has happened in this country.
We are literally less than 48 hours from a major tragedy and somehow the mainstream media has turned the person that perpetrated this crime, taken six innocent lives, into somehow of a victim and we're sitting around having this debate and I just, my mind is blown going, what is going on?
tim pool
How old are you?
51.
51.
So here's what I think is happening.
The older generation that was raised off the internet, they have a similar view of the country, be it left or right, liberal or conservative.
But the millennials who are raised online are hyper-polarized.
So the reason why I think we're seeing this happen is that millennials are starting to take over these industries, be it media or otherwise, and they are hyper-polarized.
Their world is so dramatically different from your world.
As soon as they take the reins of the editor-in-chief position or the executive editor position, start making decisions on how articles get framed or what stories get covered, this is what you start to see.
sean spicer
I think you're right.
There is this dichotomy in the country right now where young and old see the world differently.
It's about patriotism.
Who views the country as patriotic?
The poll that came out the other day In the Wall Street Journal that shocked the heck out of me.
38% of the country views patriots.
A bunch of people I knew said, well, I wasn't shocked at this.
And I said, you weren't shocked.
I get the division.
But there was something that I thought united us.
And that was being able to say, OK, I'm an American.
And I mean, maybe I didn't think it was.
70% as I used to but I thought maybe it'd be in the low 60s.
38% and I think that you put your finger on it Tim.
This idea that there's a huge divide between whether we grew up with the internet or without it and that's and I mean I see it every day but it's I don't know maybe this is what's manifested.
The idea that you can see a tragedy like this And then say that the person who perpetrated it is also a victim.
And I was reading some of the statements today from some of these groups that you mentioned earlier, and they were like, there are two victims in this.
And I'm like, no, there's not!
It is never acceptable!
You took out innocent lives!
tim pool
It makes no sense why someone, whatever the reason may be, would kill nine-year-olds.
It just doesn't make sense.
sean spicer
No!
Or any-year-olds!
tim pool
What the leftist activists are posting on Twitter is that they were future fascists.
I'm not exaggerating.
Andy Ngo has covered this.
They are posting that there are people on the left saying it's a good thing because the future fascists were stopped.
But this is the point.
You're 51.
When your demographic, when Gen Xers and Boomers are no longer in control of the system, either through retirement or passing on, this country will fall into abject civil war.
ian crossland
If we take this shit seriously.
I mean, if people are saying crazy stuff online and we're like, he said he was a dog!
sean spicer
Everyone look!
ian crossland
He said he was a dog!
unidentified
Oh no!
ian crossland
Like, don't...
It's a terrible weak defense to say that this person is a victim somehow.
Obviously, they were drugged by someone.
I mean, in that way, they were victimized.
tim pool
Ian, the issue is the corporate press is writing puff pieces for this person.
Some of it.
It's not about, and that's, as Sean says, unheard of.
sean spicer
Look, I get the left-wing groups, maybe, or the left-wing media.
There was a piece in NBC News This isn't some fringe organization or some fringe media piece.
This is one of the three major broadcast organizations that is somehow giving a platform of sympathy to a killer.
hannah claire brimelow
I think you have to draw parallels to the relationship between religious radicalization and the online community.
You'll hear people say, I remember being taught this in college, that you'll have migrants move to France and they are the first generation of family to go to school there, but they don't feel like they are French and they don't feel like they are part of their heritage.
They're not from their country.
And so they look online for acceptance and community and they're more likely to become radicalized that way, and radicalization often calls for violence to carry out your beliefs.
And so this is something that I was taught over and over again at my university.
This is a pattern that we see with people who are radicalized, and it's the same thing that's happening with people who grew up in extreme gender ideology.
They seek it out online, they feel uncomfortable, they look for community, and the community says, you are being attacked at every turn and you need to make sacrifices, you have to be willing to act on this.
tim pool
I think something that many conservatives and many in the older generation haven't asked themselves is, when the people, these millennials and Gen Zers who hate this country, they hate it with a passion, when they start taking over companies, what will this country look like?
So a few years ago, Colin Kaepernick took a knee during the National Anthem, and it was a controversy.
Within the span of only two or so years, every major sports team, every major athlete was told to take a knee.
That is a culture revolution overnight.
And only now are there athletes who are saying no to this, and they are the controversial ones now.
Think about that flip.
It is gonna keep happening, because this is what I think people don't realize.
In 2015, Donald Trump starts running for office.
A child who is 10 years old will be voting next... 10 years old then, who had no understanding of politics.
Their developmental years is all being raised by a media lying about Donald Trump, lying about the conservatives in this country and the right, and now they're going to vote for the first time in 2024.
That degree of influence is going to keep getting more and more dominant, and as Gen Xers and Boomers retire and pass on, give it 10, 20 years, and you're going to have two different factions in this country.
You already do, but here's the issue.
Among millennials and Gen Z, the bifurcation is clear.
Far-left extremists are calling for more violence in response to what happened on Monday.
Something would be shocking.
I mean, we wouldn't tolerate this 10 years ago.
Everybody would come out and be like, okay, look, man, we know we have our differences, but this goes too far.
Not anymore.
And it's because the younger generation is gaining more and more power in industry.
That's the natural flow of things.
It has nothing to do with people becoming radicalized.
It has everything to do with young people already being radicalized on these platforms.
Of course, that's why we see in schools these teachers trying to teach critical race theory and radical gender ideology because they are trying to indoctrinate them at a young age.
They will grow up.
They plant those seeds.
They put the glitter in the carpet that never comes out.
And those kids don't need any more guidance.
Give them 10 years, it's done.
sean spicer
You know, it's funny.
For the longest time, I had this belief that one of the mistakes that conservatives made was not going into high school and colleges, right?
And then I said part of the problem is that students aren't exposed to conservative ideas and thinkers.
And then we see what's going on.
I saw this myself.
After I left the White House, I went to 20 college campuses, and I saw firsthand the idea of getting shouted down, right?
And I know Matt is saying that he's not going to Washington and Lee, not because of them, but because of nothing.
But the goal right now of the left is to not allow Those voices to be heard, whether it's, you know, me and all these authors at Brave Books to be able to go in to talk to kids, or people like Matt Walsh and some of the other folks to go to college campuses.
The idea is to not allow these kids that you're talking about who are going to vote to even know that there is another point of view.
We want to shut them out.
But the idea that you were also talking about, this idea that these folks are talking about violence, Something that the left used to abhor.
They're now talking about this weekend, getting guns and going out and getting people.
And again, where is the leadership from the top saying this is unacceptable?
The President of the United States has been asked to comment two days in a row.
Not only has he joked about it, but he hasn't condemned the violence that the left is talking about coming out and seeking retribution now.
tim pool
Because they're his people.
sean spicer
Exactly.
tim pool
You know, I don't think Joe Biden is like a staunch leftist, but he gains power from these groups and they are willing to tolerate him if it destroys the right.
That's why many of these... You had some prominent leftists make videos saying you got to vote for Biden back in 2020, and it was weird.
He's like a corporate establishment politician, but he's closer to them.
So he knows he gets some benefit from their politics, which is why Democrats pander to them.
So what does he care?
sean spicer
Right. He's a vessel. It works for him. Right. He's just a vessel. He knows. Hey, did you hear
tim pool
about Merrick Garland ordering marshals not to arrest the protesters? Right. Because it benefits
sean spicer
them. Right. I mean, the funny part is when he gets asked about this, these slides that were
instructing the marshals, he He says, I don't know anything about it.
Well, you were the guy that claimed just a while ago that you were the ones who instructed the marshals.
So on the one hand, whatever it was a year ago, you're claiming you were the one who ordered them.
You had to give the order.
But when it came to the instructions to the marshals, you knew nothing about that.
The instructions that said, let the protesters do what they want.
I mean, it's funny how he only knows so much.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story from the Daily Mail.
Controversial group behind the Trans Day of Vengeance raised money for firearms training as other trans protesters pose with guns ahead of march in D.C.
on Saturday.
Now I want to make sure I state this first and foremost.
They have a right to firearms, they have a right to firearms training, and I do not care if they want to go and march peacefully while armed.
That is Second Amendment right, and in D.C.
they don't allow it, which I think is wrong.
However, we just had a mass shooting where a transgender individual wrote a manifesto.
These people defended it and are now calling for a day of vengeance.
This is as close to the line as you can get.
They're standing on it.
sean spicer
Just to be clear, the President of the United States tweeted out the other day when, with respect to his court hearing, that people should go out and protest and the left went nuts and said how dare he call for protest with respect to, you know, this decision that may come down about, you know, from the Manhattan District Attorney.
These folks are talking about firearms training, and I agree with you.
They have a constitutional right to do all of the aforementioned.
But no one on the left, they went nuts and apoplectic.
Donald Trump was calling for people to protest.
Full stop.
Just the word protest.
These folks are talking about taking up arms, getting firearms training, and no one on the left seems to say a single word.
tim pool
Because you need to stop assuming you are in the same country as these people.
They know they hate you.
They know you are not a part of their plan and their system.
So when Joe Biden hears about Christians being shot, he laughed.
He laughed and said, I don't know anything about it.
He didn't know anything about it?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Three nine-year-old children were gunned down.
And he says, I don't know about it.
And they said, Josh Hawley thinks they're targeting Christians.
He goes, well, then I probably don't agree.
sean spicer
And I'm joking.
Yes.
I mean, I'm joking about a tragedy that six people just got killed.
Like, that's... I'm not sure what's the worst part about what you just said.
tim pool
I want you to imagine it this way.
What's your favorite sports team, Sean?
sean spicer
The New England Patriots.
tim pool
New England Patriots.
Have they played against anybody recently?
Or what's the most recent game they played?
sean spicer
It would have been last season.
tim pool
Last season?
Yeah.
Name another team you don't like.
sean spicer
The Jets.
tim pool
The Jets.
And they play against each other?
They do.
I'm not big on sports.
sean spicer
Both in the AFC East.
tim pool
Alright, alright.
So, tell me the teams again.
sean spicer
It's the Patriots versus the Jets.
tim pool
Patriots versus the Jets.
So, you are watching the Jets get through a touchdown, and it's a controversial call.
Are you going to cheer for them?
unidentified
No.
sean spicer
Not for the Jets.
tim pool
Exactly.
And you're going to be angry and outraged.
But let's say there's a controversial call that benefits your team.
Are you going to defend them?
sean spicer
No, of course.
I mean, if it benefits the Patriots, yeah.
tim pool
It's a controversial call.
It's not like it's definitive one way or the other.
You're going to say, my team should get it.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
And then when they get it, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm going to challenge that.
What's happening right now in the United States is that the Democrats have been doing this for a long time.
Joe Biden, for instance, will engage in a quid pro quo with Ukraine, saying, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting a billion dollars.
When we say, hey, you guys broke the rules, they start laughing.
You think we're playing a game with you?
We don't care about that.
We can get away with whatever we want, but we will wield those tools against you.
That's what they're doing.
So, unfortunately for us, the refs are on the Jets' side right now.
sean spicer
Oh yeah.
The refs, the commissioner, the corporate sponsor.
I mean, that's the thing.
It's one thing to say, the refs are with you.
They got the league, they got the corporate sponsors, they got the guys who build the field.
tim pool
And so when you are sitting there, and they keep throwing out controversial calls and giving the other team the touchdown, Conservatives, independents, and disaffected liberal types, libertarians, just keep going, oh, come on, ref!
Well, you know, we'll get them next time.
What are you talking about?
They're all laughing behind your back.
These protesters go out to the home of Supreme Court justice illegally.
You can't do this.
And Merrick Garland says, do not arrest them.
And then you get some woman who took a picture in D.C.
on January 6th.
They raid her home in Alaska, even though she wasn't in the building.
This has been going on for some time.
Pro-life activists get their homes raided.
These people get protection.
I'm telling you, I don't see it going any other way.
It is happening right before our eyes.
We had in Wisconsin, these BLM activists set fire to a house twice.
And then when that same group showed up in front of another guy's house, he brandished a firearm inside his house, feeling threatened, and the police came and arrested him.
They went into his house and took him, and the BLM activists cheered for it.
They cheered for the police.
sean spicer
I think the thing that folks on the right have got to start understanding in my opinion is that this idea that there's a – I mean this goes to exactly what you're saying, that somehow that we've – that it's a level playing field and that we've just – we've got to start playing by their rules.
And saying, fine, then we'll go out and fight.
Everyone wants to play nicey-nice, right?
So, for example, right now the Republicans are going through this debt ceiling thing.
Why are we not defunding everything on the left?
This idea that somehow it's got to be a, like, let's play nice with them and figure it out.
We control the House.
The House controls the purse strings.
Start defunding things.
Stop pretending that this is a, that we need to get along and get along.
They, they do fun stuff on the right.
Like this is, there's some, this level of collegiality that we believe that they'll treat us like, like if they get back in power, that's just never going to happen.
tim pool
But, but so the challenge I suppose then is if, if this is the direction everything is going, regardless of what we want to happen, what happens in five or 10 years?
sean spicer
Well, here's my point.
If we don't recognize what you're talking about, that the fight is on, that they are going after, they're going in... I mean, I was at this library this morning to talk about wholesome things, about patriotism, about being a good person, right?
And the library, a DC public library, put up pride and trans flags all over it, right?
That was their counter.
Yeah, I saw those photos.
There was no anti-trans, anti-pride.
This wasn't about any message that was against anybody.
It was literally, here's a message about being a good person.
The fight is on.
We either are willing to go out there and engage, Or they're gonna win.
tim pool
What they're doing right now is overt acts of violence, death threats, terrorism.
In Atlanta, they firebombed a government facility, they burned down houses, they flipped over a guy's truck, and conservatives are barely mustering up speaking events.
Matt Walsh was forced to cancel a speaking event over death threats.
Meanwhile, they are calling for violence this weekend.
sean spicer
They're out there!
Look at this!
Firearms training!
I mean, they're going out there doing this, and not one media organization will report on this tonight.
Hunter Biden takes, what, 1.5 million dollars, and people on the right get accused of making up stories.
tim pool
Hunter's a prodigy painter.
sean spicer
Of course.
Well, he does.
Those are very beautiful.
But the point is, is that at some point, We've got to start understanding that the corporate media and everybody else, they're not going to give us a fair shake.
So go out there and stop pretending this idea that, I mean, I saw a story today on the way here, Chris Christie won't support Donald Trump if he's the nominee.
Stop it!
Do you think that they said that when John Fetterman was the nominee in Pennsylvania or Joe Biden was the nominee?
This idea on the right that we're all this purity test.
Give me a break.
I'll vote for any Republican that's the nominee.
To go against Joe Biden?
I mean, stop this nonsense!
tim pool
I just think it doesn't matter what we do.
The millennial and Gen Z generations and younger are hyper-radicalized, hyper-polarized.
And the only thing stopping overt and direct conflict is that Gen X and boomers are still in control at the highest level of institutions.
But we've got a good 10 or 20 years left before they're not.
And then when you get Disney run by woke leftists and their entire worldview is solidified and they think you're a Nazi, we're already seeing what happens with Merrick Garland in control of the DOJ.
He says, protect the people breaking the law that benefit us and prosecute those that even step anywhere near the line that oppose us.
So where are we going to be in 10 years?
It's going to be worse.
ian crossland
Well, it depends on what you do for the next 10 years.
I think we should not, firstly, do not engage people in violence directly, because that's like, there's this metaphor of fighting an alligator underwater.
You don't want to fight it underwater.
Yeah, don't do that.
Do not fight them in a place where they want you to fight them in.
It's not the way.
But I spent like four hours last night listening to music and realized again, for the first time again, That the key moving forward is to create the culture, is to make massive ripple effects and inspire people and make people come together for something other than hate, something other than stress.
And I think that's the way forward.
tim pool
I think the most powerful thing people can do right now to try and reverse things and protect this country is start a business, make money, have a family, Get some chickens, maybe?
Get away from cities?
I think the family and money thing is the most important.
It's Mike Cernovich, who's been saying this for a long time.
Because if you plant those seeds right now, you build personal wealth, you build a business, you have a family, in 10 years, we won't have to worry about the levers of control.
sean spicer
Can I just make one point, though?
Because, you know, you called out my age here.
I don't want to speak for Hannah Clare, but I mean, as a father, as someone here, I assume...
I sit around sometimes with parents and all their kids will have phones and I'll be like, oh, you know, these kids with the influences and I'm like, you're the one who handed the kid a phone.
You're the one who put the kid on TikTok.
Don't tell me that you're upset about the influences that you can have.
You let them have Snapchat.
You let them have TikTok.
You gave them a phone and now you're complaining.
I'm sorry, my kids are 12 and I didn't give them a phone.
I don't allow them on TikTok.
At some point, be a parent!
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think the phone argument, it's the phone, it's the Kindle, it's the iPad, it's the TV.
I said this once on the show, but I think having a TV in your home is like asking a stranger off the street to come babysit your kids, right?
Especially cable TV, you don't know what's gonna come up on anything.
You don't know what video YouTube is gonna put on next.
After the one that you put on for your kid that you think is innocuous.
You don't know what any of the algorithms that your teens are looking at is going to generate for them.
And that is so incredibly dangerous.
sean spicer
But Tim, you're talking about, you know, having a family and going to a… I mean, but part of this is, and I agree with all that, right?
But in some cases it's possible, in some cases it's not.
But I would say regardless of whether you could move out and, you know, Get a piece of land, which is, I think, a lot of people would love to do it, but in some cases it's not possible.
But when not, engage with your kids.
Find out what they're learning.
I mean, the one great thing about COVID is that kids sat at a kitchen table in a lot of cases and parents said, this is what you're learning, this is what you're reading, and they actually were able to have some discussions.
But I just, you know, I think that too many times YouTube is substituting for a babysitter or substituting for parenting, Or your neighbors.
hannah claire brimelow
I think at the core, the family is the nuclear building block of society, right?
But you should know your community as well, right?
That's one of the reasons I love coming into an office.
I know the people I work with.
I know what's going on with their life.
I think we could all be better about knowing what the other people on our street or in our building.
I mean, you're right.
Not everyone can move to a farm, but you could know your neighbors.
You could know them better.
You could build a relationship with them, especially if they're the people living next door to you.
It's one thing to follow an influencer because maybe you're interested in something they're working on or whatever else, but you can't let those parasocial bonds replace the real life connections you can have with people.
tim pool
I want to jump to the story from the post-millennial and we'll get into the hard politics of this.
We have this story.
Katie Hubbs, press secretary, resigns in disgrace after posting threat of violence against, quote, transphobes on Twitter.
And the important bit here is that the post was made Monday night, well after everyone already knew the motivation of the sh- of the sho- well, I presumed motivation of the shooter, the identity of the shooter, and that there was a manifesto.
Police had stated that they believed identity played a role in the motivation, and then she posted a photo.
It says, us when we see transphobes, And it's a picture of a woman holding two handguns and clearly pointing them at someone.
Many people saw this as a direct call for violence.
And the crazy thing is, Tucker Carlson did a segment about this last week, where he said these people want to get guns.
He was talking about trans activists taking up guns in the threat of violence.
And then sure enough, he was roasted for it.
The left attacked him for it.
Then come Monday, we get this.
This woman posted this photo and left it up for days.
She did not take this down.
It was taken down by Twitter.
I do not believe she would have taken it down or resigned unless she absolutely had to because this borders on criminal activity.
Borders on, I don't think she created information that is a clear and present threat, but based on the call to the Trans Day of Vengeance and what happened on Monday, she's basically there already.
I think these people, you saw what happened with the Covington kids.
You brought up Nick Sandman.
They called for the death of children.
All because a video emerged showing a Native American banging a drum in his face.
That's all it was.
When I saw that video, everyone's like, wow, Tim, you got to see this video, say something about it.
And I was like, what is there to say?
I don't know what happened.
It's a kid with a guy banging a drum in his face.
And they were like, yeah, but look at that kid.
Look what he's doing.
I'm like, what is he doing?
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He's standing there.
tim pool
Sure enough, I found the live stream that showed the Native American man walked up to the kid and banged a drum in his face.
And I'm like, why are y'all mad at the kid?
One guy posted a picture of a wood chipper with blood coming out of it.
One guy, I think it was Reza Aslan, said the kid was punchable.
These people are a zombie mob.
They would not apologize and take this down unless they were forced to do so.
And when all that went down, many of them didn't.
They were calling for the death of children.
They didn't care about the facts.
They didn't care about what was true.
And the media lied to defend the mob.
This is why I'm really worried, especially about this weekend, because I can't see this going in a positive direction.
Not in the short term.
sean spicer
I mean, we're getting to a tipping point, and that's what I think worries me, is that what is acceptable, right?
Do they, you know, what sort of act of violence?
Because this would have normally gotten complete outrage.
The idea that this is happening, you talking about it, is probably the extent that we're going to see of it.
It doesn't make ABC News.
It doesn't make the Washington Post or the New York Times.
I guarantee if this was, if this, if you take out Katie Hobbs and you write Glenn Youngkin or Ron DeSantis, Lester Holt's leading with this tonight.
tim pool
Let's go back to the sports metaphor or analogy.
If you went into a bar surrounded by everyone wearing the same jersey and said something disparaging about the Jets, everyone's gonna laugh.
No one's going to go, hey, hey, look, man, look.
It goes a little too far.
They may be a different team, but we're all just trying to be friends.
They'd be like, yeah!
And they'd high five you.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
They don't care when you insult the opposing team.
The only problem is a friendly sports game, it's fun to have that kind of rivalry.
And it's almost sometimes it gets out of hand, you know, especially with soccer hooligans and stuff.
But the hokey, like, my team is better than yours, is all in good fun, and we want our teams to win.
The problem with this is, they're telling everyone it's life or death.
They're saying the right wants to commit a genocide.
Well, that level of rhetoric, it's in the real world, and these are people who have guns and are doing firearms training.
Now, what we saw on Monday, they've been planning for things like this, these far-left extremists.
sean spicer
But the thing that I find funny, too, is it's the opposite.
Right?
I don't really care.
I mean, to be honest with you, like, my view has always been, and I think generally speaking, people on the right are like, hey, go live your life.
I don't really care, right?
I mean, that's generally, people on the right generally are like, laissez-faire about what you want to do with your life. It's
the people on the left that are the most intolerant. They preach tolerance, but they're the
ones who actually want to come out and attack people on the right. They love to preach about this idea of
tolerance, but their idea of tolerance is agree with me about being tolerant. It's hard for me not to
hannah claire brimelow
wonder if this sort of – you're right, it won't get picked up everywhere, but a fair number of
people have talked about this tweet and how it seems just obviously inappropriate, uncalled for,
completely insensitive.
It makes me wonder, independents, how they'll react to it.
People who are sort of not very political, they might lean a little bit left, they might lean a little bit right.
Watching the ground beneath them shift and totally split, they're going to have to make a decision on which side they fall.
And I can't say that this is enticing anyone to think highly of Katie Hobbs.
Obviously, it's not her official account.
It wasn't from her.
It's just someone who was in her administration.
I think these moments where you have people siding with someone who literally murdered children and three adults, you know, it comes down to the independent voters.
What are they going to do?
tim pool
They're probably going to side, many of them, like cowards, with whoever's in power.
sean spicer
But my point is this.
If they're never presented with that choice, and that's what I would argue, is that if you walk down the street tomorrow, in any place they're going to say, I didn't hear about this.
I mean, I would say this all the time.
When I used to work at the RNC and I'd call a reporter up and say, hey, when I used to, I'd get a call and say, little Tommy at, you know, Jefferson Middle School did the following bad.
What's the RNC's position?
We get called for everything.
And then some prominent Democrat would do something outrageous.
Did you guys call the DNC for comment?
Every Washington Post, New York Times.
Oh, we didn't even know that that occurred.
How did you not know this?
Nancy Pelosi's the minority leader, Speaker of the House, whatever position she had.
Well, we didn't hear about it.
So they never report on these things.
So I guarantee you the problem is that, this is my point, that no one in the middle is going to hear about this because the NBC News and the Washington Post aren't going to report on it.
So the person in the middle isn't going to even know that it occurred.
tim pool
Except moderates do consume some conservative media.
ian crossland
People watch this show that are in the middle.
sean spicer
Yeah, well, and that's, again, there's, I'm not saying that enough people, but the majority of Americans, when they wake up tomorrow morning and watch, you know, Good Morning America, The Today Show or CBS, it's not going to pop up there.
Whereas if it was a Glenn Youngkin or a Ron DeSantis or a Christy Noem, they'd see it.
ian crossland
You know, you mentioned tolerance earlier and how the left and the liberal mind used to be the tolerant, the side of tolerance.
Because I used to be like that.
I'm like, accept everybody.
Everybody's cool, whatever.
And then you get these kind of these behaviors of intolerance that come in and you're like, well, I'll tolerate it because I'm tolerance.
And then the system starts to become intolerant.
I'm like, am I supposed to not tolerate intolerance?
Because then I'm the intolerant one.
And then what?
Then I'm the villain.
It's like that music video, Tim, that you did, Will of the People.
Like, am I supposed to say, no, this villain is a villain, and I do not tolerate it.
Then I become the villain.
Like, at what point, where's the balance?
hannah claire brimelow
But I feel like you have to be able to say what your personal values are, right?
Like, you shouldn't tolerate things that fly directly in your face.
I love the idea of let everyone live and let live, but in reality, that's impossible to do unless you have a common set of values.
tim pool
So you're coming to the adult realization of conflict, Ian, where there is no end point.
There is no position of absolute moral authority.
So you take a look at what the left does.
They seem to operate not on principle, but on collective vision.
If the zombie horde of the left deems it so, they do it, even if it's hypocritical to their previous stance.
You see this with, we talked about the other day, Brett brought it up, defiant elves.
Where, um, that Dash guy posts, you know, this is why the Republicans want to get rid of the FBI, and then a few months later he's like, we should completely get rid of the FBI!
Like, there's no logic other than, does it benefit me or not?
And so the issue is, one thing that I've talked about, people need to understand is, here's the question.
Should parents have final say in whether or not their children receive a medical treatment?
Would you say yes or no?
unidentified
100%!
tim pool
So then what about the parents that want to give their kids sex changes?
Should the government then intervene and stop them from doing so?
sean spicer
I think below 18, I mean, if it's a life-altering change.
tim pool
My point is simply this.
The left argues parents should have a final say in their child's development only if it pertains to their ideological value.
Then when it comes to the parents who are trying to stop the kids from undergoing this, they say the parents are abusing the kids and the kids should be protected by the state.
Thus, in Washington, children underage can go to a doctor and get sex changes without their parental consent.
So the issue is both sides are saying the same thing.
But clearly, one side is right.
Well, I think their morality is based upon collectivism and not principle.
Our morality is based on principle and not collectivism.
And so my view is, yeah, minors can't consent to these things.
However, the challenge then becomes, we actually do think there is a point where the government should intervene and tell a parent, no, you cannot give your child this medical treatment.
sean spicer
But I mean, think about it.
If one were to take that view and a parent came in and said, my religion believes that you need to have your left arm cut off.
tim pool
We'd say no.
sean spicer
You'd say no, because that's insane.
And again, if you believe that below a certain age that you are altering a body to do something that has... This is my point.
tim pool
Your moral position is not simply parents have final say.
A lot of conservatives kept saying this.
They kept saying parents should determine what's right for their kids.
So, Ron DeSantis was correct to pass the Parental Rights and Education Bill.
And then my response was, okay, and if the parent wants to give their child a sex change?
No, no, no, not then.
Then the government should intervene.
And it's like, okay, so you do think there are instances where the government should intervene based on your morality.
Now, I agree with you.
I think we are correct.
Children can't consent, and they shouldn't be getting these things.
But the left in Washington has an inverted worldview, where they think children should be able to go to a doctor without their parents knowing and get these treatments, based on the same logic that the government should intervene if parents are abusing their kids.
So we think a parent who wants to give a kid a sex change, that's abuse and the government should stop them.
For them, in Washington, they think a parent who blocks a kid from getting sex change is abusing that kid and the government should be able to stop them.
They're both arguing the same sentence.
It's like Scott Adams says.
It's one screen.
But two different movies being played to two different groups of people.
That's why I'm like, I don't see how you're going to be able to go to those people and convince them.
But anyway, back to what you were saying, Ian, my point is this.
That's why the statues rotate and there's always a new villain.
For those that don't know the reference, we produced a music video several years ago where these people are pulling down a statue and it's a wheel.
A new statue comes up when one statue gets pulled down.
ian crossland
And then they pull the next one down and another one comes up and the wheel turns.
tim pool
There's a new statue every time.
When Group A gets their leader put in power, Group A doesn't revolt against him.
The next revolution is from Group B. Group B tears down the statue of Captain A, and then Group C protests Group B.
So, if you get a Donald Trump in power, it's not like one day Trump supporters go out and stage a revolution.
No, the Trump supporters are happy with Trump.
It's the left that comes out and stages the culture revolution.
Then when they put Biden in, it's the Trump supporters that try to remove.
So, that's why there's always going to be this wheel that's cycling.
But as we develop two generations of youth hyper-polarized, You are setting the stage for an outright civil war.
ian crossland
You know, I think there is a potential silver outline to this, a very good outcome to this,
is that I kind of agree with you, Sean, about I think if it's a life-altering surgery for a minor,
that maybe there should be some oversight of what a parent's going to do to a kid.
But I don't think that it's up to us to stop them from doing it.
I think it's the kids that are getting changed that are becoming adults and realizing, what did they do to me?
And now they're speaking out.
That was like Chloe Cole and people that have been through this and are like, I will sue these companies and maybe people will sue their parents.
I don't know how it's going to come out.
But I think that generation of people are going to be the ones that speak up and speak out to others that are going through it as 13 year olds or nine year olds or whatever.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, when we're talking about this I keep thinking about this case from Canada where a I think she was like 14 year old girl was a Jehovah's Witness and she was diagnosed with lymphoma and she needed a blood transfusion and that went against the doctrines of her religion and she was like I'm not going to get it, this is what my family believes, I don't want to go through this and ultimately a court in Canada intervened and ordered her to go through the treatment.
She would have died from a lymphoma, is what they say, without the treatment, and the treatment would have saved—will have saved her.
It's this very strange line between, did she have the right to refuse it when she could have been saved?
Are we infringing on her religious rights?
She's 14.
She's—it's different than, like, a 6-year-old, but she's still not an adult.
At what point do we say there are some things that we do to protect your life so that you can become a full adult and make the decisions on your own?
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Right.
tim pool
Exactly.
ian crossland
I'm going to get a naturopathic medicine.
That terrifies me that I would think, no, you have to take the pharmaceutical under court order.
That's ridiculous.
Like you need diet and exercise and sunlight.
Those things are like the basis of health.
So I don't like that.
hannah claire brimelow
But there's not really a naturopathic answer to the gender question, right?
Like that would be like, maybe go to therapy and talk about it with someone and wait until you're older to intervene.
But with transgender issues, It has to be medical intervention, it has to be surgical.
ian crossland
It could be diet too, like stress.
If they're drinking a lot of Pepsi when they're, no offense Pepsi, if they're drinking a lot of sugar when they're a little kid, that could tweak them out and make them go crazy.
If they're getting Adderall when they're nine, like that's dietary.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, but if your parents then also believe, yes, you are born in the wrong body and we need to intervene, it's not like they're gonna be like, so stop drinking Pepsi and that'll cure that, you know?
Like there are some issues where people's personal convictions conflate against what actually might be the safest route, you know what I'm saying?
ian crossland
Yep.
hannah claire brimelow
Okay.
tim pool
Well, let's jump to the next story.
We have this from the New York Post.
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U.S.
tim pool
Marshals told not to arrest abortion protesters at SCOTUS Justices Homes.
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U.S.
tim pool
Marshals assigned to protect Supreme Court Justices Homes following the reversal of Roe v. Wade last year were directed not to arrest protesters unless absolutely necessary according to newly revealed documents.
Senator Katie Britt unveiled a series of training slides used to prepare marshals for their assignments
as she grilled Attorney General Merrick Garland at a Senate Appropriations Subcommittee hearing
Tuesday. The slides instructed the marshals to avoid, unless absolutely necessary, any criminal
enforcement involving protesters, and that making arrests and initiating prosecutions was not the
goal of their being stationed outside the residence of the court's six conservative jurists. So I
I think, plain as day, you can see it right there.
Someone showed up trying to kill Kavanaugh and his family.
They said outright, no, no, no, no.
No enforcement.
Let them go.
Let them do their thing.
It's illegal, by the way.
And the reason it's illegal is that, I believe it was in the 50s, they said, judges are not elected officials, or these at least, in the same way.
And if judges cannot be free from political pressures, there is no justice, because that's how the court system works.
So they said, in this instance, no protesting judges.
These people are now doing it.
The left is defending it.
Someone tried to kill this man.
And Merrick Garland is saying, you're free to keep breaking the law.
Where's the Republicans?
sean spicer
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
And that was the problem, is that it took this long, too, to figure it out.
unidentified
Why?
sean spicer
I mean, you know, it would have been nice if your Kavanaugh or his family to know this like a few months ago when it was happening.
But the idea that Merrick Garland stood there today and kind of denied that he had any insight into this happening.
There are training materials.
Katie Brett, the senator from Alabama, is literally posting up these slides saying, here's what this shows.
And he's like, I have no idea.
hannah claire brimelow
That's a bad sign for him.
Like, why would you say I have no idea what these people who are directly in my chain of command are doing?
sean spicer
There's a level, there's a point at which you're either incompetent or lying, but it's one of the two.
Which one is it?
I mean, you either don't know what's happening in your department, because think about this.
This isn't like, hey, did you know about the guard at the front gate?
Right?
You know, I didn't know.
OK, well, there's 18 doors and there's a bunch of buildings.
These are Supreme Court justices that are being threatened.
And you're the guy that's saying, I'm going to send U.S.
marshals to augment the security.
At some point, wouldn't you know about what they call the rules of engagement?
Like, hey, what are you telling these guys?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
And what information was given to the justices.
sean spicer
Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
Can you imagine being Brett Kavanaugh and saying, you know, shouldn't I be able to move my family out of the area?
I mean, if you don't think protesters are going to I mean, what's the point?
You're just going to station them there so the protesters can be outside, terrify the family, potentially get more raucous, it could get more dangerous, and you're going to say that, well, we're going to avoid arresting them for as long as possible?
Like, you're not really protecting them.
sean spicer
It's because they like it.
hannah claire brimelow
You're really gambling with their children.
tim pool
Merrick Garland was supposed to be on the Supreme Court.
At least that's what he's probably thinking.
So he's probably smiling and laughing as this happens.
sean spicer
Well, he's also pissed about the decision.
tim pool
Well, of course.
sean spicer
Right?
He's like, you know what?
You want to vote against Roe?
You know what?
I don't have your back.
tim pool
Well, he's thinking it should have been me.
It should have been me.
sean spicer
And this wouldn't have happened.
Yep.
tim pool
He's probably sitting there laughing.
hannah claire brimelow
So he's saying they deserve this.
Yeah.
That's craziness.
tim pool
I mean, come on.
These people are clearly insane.
I imagine he's sitting there laughing about this, being like, you shouldn't have been there in the first place.
It's your own fault.
ian crossland
This is so horrible.
I have something I want to say that I'm not comfortable saying on YouTube.
It's so dark.
This is so ridiculous.
I'm going to write it down and talk about it on the after show.
sean spicer
Here's the other thing that I would just say that is interesting because this has started to, you know, whether or not it's a Supreme Court justice, it's a government official, it's a member of Congress, you talked about Matt, there's a point at which people start to say, I'm not running for office, I'm not serving, I'm not speaking out, I'm not, whatever it is, there's a level of which this is not worth it anymore.
And you talk about Matt Walsh speaking out, Brett Kavanaugh serving as a Supreme Court, and so-and-so running for office, so-and-so serving in the government.
At some point you say, this isn't, I'm going to shut up.
tim pool
Whether serious or not, there have been people who have been like, Tim, you should run, you should run.
And my response is, I could not imagine having all of the problems of fame and none of the money.
Like, if you want to be in office and politics, I think you're nuts.
Because Kavanaugh makes, what, like $270,000 a year?
And he's got people outside his home threatening his family's life.
One guy tried to kill him and his family.
And I'm like, man!
So you must really want that job and really believe in it to live that way.
I mean, not just that.
Look at the lies they spread about people like Matt Gaetz.
Dude's not making a whole lot of money doing this.
I'm surprised there are people who want it.
Donald Trump lost money.
His taxes only showed that as president he was losing money and still giving away his salary.
It's amazing.
At the very beginning of this story, I missed a part of what you were saying about what Merrick Garland says he didn't know, which was these guys, these six guys' orders?
So you're saying he made a huge personal sacrifice to be president?
Come on, spare me.
ian crossland
At the very beginning of this story, I missed a part of what you were saying about what
Merrick Garland says he didn't know, which was these guys, these six guys, orders.
Is that what it was?
sean spicer
No, they so there's these slides come out today.
Katie Britt, the senator from Alabama, while he's at the subcommittee, basically puts up a series of training slides that they were given to the U.S.
Marshals, right?
And the training slides are basically saying, don't arrest these protesters as they engage with these Supreme Court justices.
As they, I mean, Tim's pointing out like it's illegal.
What if you go protest at their houses?
And they should be arrested.
And the training sides are like, hey, hands off, guys.
Don't don't do it.
Just let them be on their way.
tim pool
Right.
Telling cops not to enforce the law.
ian crossland
And then Merrick said, you got it, buddy.
tim pool
Don't worry.
These cops, I got to tell you, man, this is where you get me right up to the to the defund the police, abolish the police.
And we've talked about before.
These are the people Who will pull you over for a minor infraction and say tell it to a judge and give you no leeway.
These are people that shut down businesses during COVID and arrested men and women for simply trying to sell coffee.
And then when they're witnessing something overtly illegal on the books, They're told by the superiors, don't arrest them.
Can I tell you this though?
sean spicer
But I will say this, having talked to a lot of buddies of mine in law enforcement, this is the stuff that irks them.
That they're like, I want to do my job.
They didn't get into law enforcement to stand there.
tim pool
They could arrest them.
sean spicer
If that's what they're told, they can't.
tim pool
Yes they can.
Well, I mean, then they get... In New York City, there are police officers, there's this funny story, where this morbidly obese older woman walks around with no shirt on.
And in New York, it's legal for women to be topless because of equality ruling in the courts.
And there are cops who know she's allowed to do it.
They don't care, they arrest her anyway.
They say, man, put a shirt on.
She goes, no, we're arresting you.
Because in their mind... And then she sues and she wins every time.
She's done it a bunch of times.
It's a ridiculous story.
The problem is these cops are cowards.
They're absolute cowards and nothing will convince me otherwise.
These are the kind of cops that are like, they instructed me to shoot the dog or they told me I had to arrest the old lady.
I have no choice but to violate the rights of people because someone else told me to do it.
I look forward to it.
If it ever comes down to hearings on COVID lockdown and the violations of law, we're having these cops come in and firing them and stripping them of their pensions and saying, now you can live in a cardboard box because you thought it was prudent to ignore your oath to uphold the law because your political boss told you not to enforce it.
I won't play those games.
And we need a politician.
Maybe it's not gonna be a politician.
We need an elected official who the first thing they do is They call in the federal police officers and they say, which one of you did not enforce the law?
All of you?
You're all fired, and I'm gonna see to it your family never sees a fucking penny.
And they go, oh, but I was told just not to enforce the law and let far-left extremists go in front of judges' homes and threaten their lives.
Well, that's too fucking bad for you.
These guys, these cops, need to be the first in line to feel the punishment.
Because as long as these cops are allowed to keep Breaking the law, ignoring the law, or enforcing fake laws, the system is completely broken.
When I see salon owners get arrested under unconstitutional edict, when I see churches shut down and police officers enforcing the shutdown of churches in violation of the Constitution, with Cuomo saying, even though the Supreme Court of New York ruled against me, saying I'm not allowed to do this, I'll just create another executive order and do it anyway.
You know why?
Because these cocksucker cops will absolutely enforce edict from these executives, even
if it's against the law.
Because no one will go to them as individuals and say, I will destroy you for enforcing
this bullshit.
People keep making excuses for the cops who are doing this.
And if it's not the cops, it doesn't happen.
If there were no police officers, there would be no unconstitutional lockdown.
If there were no cops, there would be no churches shut down during COVID.
And everyone gave them a free pass.
When the cops went to that gym, Attilas, in New Jersey, and arrested the people outside of it, or I think the owners got huge fines, got shut down, Everyone's like, well, I don't blame the cops, they're being told to do it.
No, no, I blame them twice as much now.
Because the worst thing the cops could have done, they can do, they can say, if you're telling me to not enforce the law, I will not show up.
I will not swear an oath to uphold the law and the Constitution and then have you tell me to break that oath.
But these are oath breakers.
These are pieces of human trash.
I have no respect for them at all.
And if it were up to me, and if I was ever in office, and I would request this right now, and I know no one's going to do it because our politicians are all cowards.
I'm giving no respect and no benefit to any Republican because none of them will do it.
I want them to take a single officer from that photograph, get their name, Plaster it in Congress and say, I am coming for you, I am going to take from you your pension and your retirement, and I want your family to know it's because you refused to uphold the law.
If you come into this office, if you put on that badge and say outright, it's someone else's fault I won't do my job, I will make sure you lose everything.
Because if you don't want to do your job, this job's not for you, you can resign right now.
No one's gonna do it.
No one's going to do it.
Conservatives are going to keep licking the boots of these cops who bashed them over the head during COVID and who refuse to enforce the law to protect our justices.
If the judges can't issue rulings because they're under threat of death, there can be no justice.
And these cops are going, but it's not my fault.
I was told not to enforce the law.
OK, then get out.
Fire them.
Rant over.
ian crossland
If a cop's superior officer says, today we're gonna violate the law, and the cop's like, no, I'm not, and then they go and they arrest the guy anyway, is it a legal arrest?
Because the superior officer said it's, don't arrest him, but the lower rank did it, it's still a legal arrest?
tim pool
Police officers can arrest you.
A cop can walk up to you on the streets of New York, put you in cuffs, bring you in.
They don't gotta read you your rights or do anything.
Now, later on, there will have to be some kind of justification for the arrest, and often you'll get civil suits.
When far-left extremists staged an insurrection at Donald Trump's inauguration and set vehicles on fire, set fires in the streets, and smashed windows up, the city ended up paying them.
The government, DC, tried charging the far-left extremists with conspiracy because they all wore black.
And the courts ruled, you cannot charge a group, you need to tell us which individual broke the law, and because you can't, they're free to go, and you violated their rights, and paid a multi-million dollar settlement to the extremists.
So when I see this, I see pathetic, feckless cowards, and the only way this stops is when these cops say, with all due respect, superior officer, there is nothing you can instruct me to do that will stop me from enforcing the law.
The law in the book says they can't do it.
I will arrest them on sight.
You got a problem with that?
Put me somewhere else.
And then what happens when no cops show up at all?
What happens when they say, Either we enforce the law, or we will not stand in front of these homes.
Because you realize what these cops are being told to do, right?
They're being told to stand in front of a building where people are threatening death against these justices, and they're told you can do nothing to stop them.
Nothing.
You can't arrest them.
Unless absolutely necessary.
Okay, so there's some leeway there.
These cops should all walk away and say, assign us somewhere else.
We're not going to try and protect a house with our hands tied behind our backs.
But they're all cowards.
They're all cowards.
There's very few good cops.
Many of them resigned.
Almost all of them are cowards.
And they're like, you don't understand.
My boss won't let me do it.
If I was a cop and I was in front of that house, I'd walk right up to the lead organizer
and I'd say, put your hands behind your back and I would arrest them on the spot.
And then I would say, I will get fired before I let you do this.
But these cops won't do it because they're cowards.
Meanwhile, there's a woman who opened a cafe in Minnesota and then they threatened her
with arrest and sheriffs and the deputies hunted her down in Iowa, found her and arrested
A salon owner in Texas got arrested, and it was only because I think Abbott intervened, she got released.
In New Jersey, we saw the Attila's gym get shut down.
These lockdown orders were unconstitutional and illegal, and the police, with smiles on their faces, shut these businesses down.
ian crossland
It's important what you're saying it is, because this is what happened in Nazi Germany, is there's this argument of, we were just following orders.
sean spicer
It's very I think I look, I will say this.
At some point, though, the people who are there, there is an element of the people who are telling them not to do it are ultimately the ones that I know.
that need to be held accountable more than anything else.
tim pool
Well, sure. But like, if if if a mob boss instructs his henchmen to go rob a bank, do we just say, well, it's not all no, no,
sean spicer
but of course not. And that's who gets ultimately but but at
some point, that's why there's like a Rico statue that goes after the guy at the top. But at some point, it is these
guys.
And that's what you can't like, we're letting off somebody a
mayor, you know, in the case of, of, of these of the gym in New
Jersey, or the county commissioner, somebody said, shut that gym down or shut that church down.
These are the people that we should name names for, though, more than anything else.
I disagree.
Oh, if we start a list, that's where it starts.
tim pool
If a mayor or a governor Stands on top of a giant stone and says, I hereby call upon all of my officers to shut down businesses, and all those officers look at him and go, go fuck yourself.
Nothing happens.
The words are meaningless.
sean spicer
But at some point, and again, we are a country of law.
If that mayor, that county commissioner, or whatever, was elected, Right?
And so that's the person that is held accountable more than anything else.
hannah claire brimelow
Who holds them accountable?
What's the structure here?
So like with a cop who violates an order or acts against people, you know, maybe they get fired, maybe they themselves face consequences.
But when you move up the chain, who's holding them accountable?
I think that's the challenging part of this.
sean spicer
What I'm saying is somebody is giving the order, and ultimately that is the person that is most accountable.
tim pool
No, absolutely not.
sean spicer
Yes, of course!
tim pool
The person taking the action is most accountable.
The person who incites or instructs has some accountability, but it is these individual officers who are doing it.
sean spicer
At some point, that's like in the military.
At some point, the job of the person who executes the order, if it is a lawful order, their job is to execute it.
Somebody at the top gave that order, that's the person that's accountable.
tim pool
It's also the law that if they're given an unlawful order, they must disobey it.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like we all need to watch A Few Good Men.
That's really what this is coming down to.
tim pool
Is telling police officers to ignore the law a lawful order?
sean spicer
But that's that and again my point is or and again I don't I think in each circumstance and I I do the the Supreme Court one I I agree with you like that that's I mean in terms of the law as I read it was very clear about both in terms of the the federal statute the US Code and there's actually a Virginia misdemeanor Law that's on the books in terms of for the for the justices that live in Virginia But on the other ones, I don't know what the town ordinance were and blah blah blah But because I think in each case there isn't a difference What what those town ordinances were that but it is the elected officials ultimate response the person that is ultimately responsible
tim pool
So the reason why this country has the degree of stability it has, which is also in decay, it's specifically because of police.
I've heard so many stories, and I've experienced this.
I remember a great story I was told where, I don't know if it was a public story, so I should probably keep some of it vague, but driving and speeding in Russia.
An individual told me that they got pulled over, and the cop just, you know, rubs his fingers together.
And they say, here you go.
And the cop says, have a good day.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And then he says, actually, if I give you extra, will you pull this guy behind me over?
And he goes, sure.
That's corruption.
What these officers are engaged in is abject corruption.
So they're saying, I will not take any responsibility for the actions that I take.
I will not take any responsibility for the instructions given.
It's always someone else's fault.
Which means these officers are only working for their own personal gain.
And this means, let me finish this, if each individual officer said, I will uphold the Constitution, And you give me an instruction that's bad, I will defy it?
Then we would have the most secure and protected culture in this country.
You'd have cops saying, I'm not going to unjustly arrest someone.
You'd have cops saying, I am not going to ignore the law to benefit a politician.
But you look at what's happening in New York, for instance.
The city illegally seizes taxpayer dollars to paint Black Lives Matter in front of Trump Tower as a political statement, and then gets 27 NYPD to protect it, and those cops say, you got it, that's aiding and abetting a crime.
But they don't care.
So long as we keep making excuses for cops and saying, it's not the cop's fault, it's the person who instructed them.
sean spicer
I'm sorry, I will just say this.
At the end of the day, if you're a cop and a city official comes in, And says, I am telling you that as the legal counsel for the city, this is a lawful order.
Your job isn't to interpret the law.
Their job is to, to your point, I agree with you in the sense that their job is to enforce it.
tim pool
Their job is to interpret the law.
sean spicer
No it isn't!
It's to enforce the law.
tim pool
And if they are told that this is a lawful order... What's an improper lane change?
When you cross over the yellow line or the white line, depending, I mean... A cop has to interpret your action as unlawful.
sean spicer
No, it doesn't.
The law is crystal clear.
I mean, in terms of it, it's written down and it says if you don't put a blinker on and da-da-da-da, I mean, it's actually written down.
tim pool
And the cop could argue, so this is actually something funny that comes up in Chicago.
Slamming your brakes on a yellow light's illegal.
You get pulled over for it.
It's reckless.
It's abrupt stopping, they call it.
A police officer has to interpret your action as crossing the line.
What if you go through a yellow light right at the last second and the cop says, I think it was red.
The cop has to make the ultimate decision themself, whether to pull you over and criminally cite you.
You can go to a court, you can ask a judge, but the police officer makes the determination.
I have been in too many circumstances where there's been clear evidence of crimes committed against me and the cops say, look, we're not going to pursue this, it's a waste of our time.
The police officer choosing how to interpret the law.
So, these officers should be enforcing it.
And what's happening now is, too many people, the left just wants to destroy policing, which is insane, but too many people on the right excuse bad policing.
sean spicer
This is the erosion.
Look, I think there's a difference, and I get that, there's a difference between, we've all had, or not everyone, but a lot of us have traffic infractions, where the cop comes up and says, I get it. Or hey, we even ask them sometimes, hey, I was in
a hurry. Can you give me a little latitude on this? There's a big difference between that and
something where maybe they did ask.
And again, I don't—look, I know too many cops that put their life on the line every day. And
maybe they did push back and say, I don't agree with you on this.
And a legal counsel comes in and says, I'm sorry, this is what we interpret the law saying.
tim pool
I quit.
sean spicer
Huh?
tim pool
I quit.
sean spicer
Okay.
And maybe they should have or should have, but who knows?
I don't, I just assume the good.
I know too many of these guys that put their life on the line so that, you know, and you know what?
As a guy that has dealt with enough threats, I know too many of these guys that have said, I'll walk through that door and I'll do, I'll be there for you.
tim pool
You know what?
They're enforcers for the cult.
They are what's stopping us from ending the corruption.
These officers, specifically in this image, are the officers who are enforcing the corruption of the machine.
When far-left extremists plan violent actions, these cops stand down.
When a bunch of bumbling dottards walk through a door at the Capitol building, these people hunt them down.
So I am not giving them any grace, none at all.
ian crossland
You think they have a righteous justification to arrest their commanding officer if they're given an illegal order?
sean spicer
I think, look, it depends on the situation.
Again, I would say this.
I know too many of these guys that wake up every day putting their life on the line to save innocent lives. Look at the guys in Nashville this
week.
ian crossland
Michael Colazzo and Rex Engelbert.
sean spicer
Yeah, those guys, they woke up, they didn't need someone to tell them what the law was.
They woke up and said, we're going to save lives today. And you know what,
I need more of those guys every day that say, I'll go do what it takes to save kids.
tim pool
Meanwhile, someone showed up at Brett Kavanaugh's house intending to kill and kidnap his family.
And these cops are like, well, you know, we were instructed not to arrest these extremists.
So we won't.
sean spicer
And here's my point, Tim.
I don't know what they were told.
hannah claire brimelow
He did get arrested, though, right?
tim pool
I'm talking about the other people who are outside illegally.
sean spicer
Right.
And again, do I excuse that?
But I don't presume that that's how that went down.
And maybe you're right, but my point is that for all I know, those six guys said BS.
I'm pushing back on you and I'm going to fight every day and call my union rep and say that this is ridiculous and I'm going to resign or I want to be reassigned on this.
I hold the guys that told them not to do their job more accountable.
tim pool
I just watched it.
I watched that video so long ago of the cops showing up to some guy's house, going into his home and arresting him when a violent mob showed up in front of his house, creating a very visible imminent threat to his life.
They had set fire to another building previously and the cops go to his house and they arrest him.
sean spicer
Listen, I watched when I was downtown.
And I'm watching the BLM stuff go down.
There are days when I watch stuff happen and I'm going, are you kidding me?
This person is literally committing a crime.
I'm watching people get hit.
Nothing is happening.
So there are instances where I'm watching this stuff happen.
But I hold the elected officials in this city and around America accountable for saying this is because they're...
tim pool
So if a commanding officer, a superior officer for these police said, listen, from now on, when you pull someone over, give them an opportunity to pay their traffic ticket in cash, and then bring that cash back to me and we'll take care of it for you.
And they go, okay, you got it, boss.
Or would we be like, yeah, that's not, you can't do that.
Well, hold on.
He's not saying take bribes, saying pay their fine.
He's not telling cops to give fake tickets.
He's saying let the individual pay the fine immediately in cash if they do break the law.
Then what?
Are we going to tolerate that?
ian crossland
No, then you get the commanding officer on video saying it and you expose him with something like Project Veritas.
That's what should be happening.
tim pool
So we are having it exposed right now that these officers were instructed not to arrest people in clear violation of the law.
It's obviously political.
While this is happening, pro-life activists are having cops kick their doors in and arrest them.
We're seeing the enforcement of red flag laws.
We saw a woman who was wrongly raided by feds in Alaska because she looked like someone who was inside the Capitol.
She happened to have been in DC, but she didn't go in the building or break any laws.
They still kick her door and raid her house.
So these cops have no problem doing that.
They have no problem shutting down churches.
I think that to me is like the most egregious thing because here we have a clear, we have an oath to uphold the Constitution.
The right to peaceably assemble and practice your religion shall not be infringed.
It is the First Amendment.
And across this country, police officers with smiles on their faces lock down churches.
Now, I get it.
Any violation of free speech or right to practice is wrong.
But isn't that very obvious to you?
These guys are responsible for doing it.
I don't care who instructed it.
It's this guy who shows up to your church who put a padlock on it.
Or when they padlocked Park Street in the Jewish community.
sean spicer
Look, again, I think there's a big difference if a local official, if an elected official or an unelected official, says the new city ordinance 126 says all churches shall be closed.
Here's the ordinance.
Go do it.
That's a lawful order.
The cop's job is not... Yes, it is!
tim pool
The Constitution is a supreme law of the land.
sean spicer
Okay, but my point, Tim, is that if a judge okays it or whatever, the cop doesn't... is not... the cop's job is to execute orders.
tim pool
It's not the cop's job to uphold the Constitution.
How can you uphold the Constitution when you're barring churches' doors?
sean spicer
I agree with you.
I did not think a single church should ever be closed.
This is abhorrent to me.
But my point is that we're holding the wrong people accountable.
tim pool
The guy who literally shut the church down isn't accountable for shutting the church down.
You swear an oath to uphold the Constitution, then with a smile on your face, don't uphold the Constitution, violate it, that's you.
sean spicer
They don't get to call balls and strikes.
They don't get to decide that's not their job.
tim pool
How do you uphold the Constitution if you then shut a church down?
sean spicer
Because every cop, how many cops are there in every city?
They don't get to go around interpreting it.
tim pool
That's not the job of a cop. So if you swear an oath to uphold the Constitution first and foremost...
sean spicer
Every military officer, every single officer swears an oath.
They don't get to decide what...
tim pool
It's actually the law.
sean spicer
No, they actually say... The oath says that they have to obey lawful orders.
They don't get to interpret them.
tim pool
And how can it be lawful if it violates the Constitution outright?
sean spicer
But the point is that that's what legal counsel does, is they say it's a legal order.
tim pool
And then what I would say, because I'm not a coward, is I will not follow that order, and I will take legal counsel to court and ask a judge first.
Get someone else to do it or I'll quit.
sean spicer
Okay.
Well, unfortunately, if we don't have, then we don't have a system of laws then.
tim pool
No, actually we don't have a system of laws because cops won't follow the law.
sean spicer
But if every, I don't disagree with, again, you and I are on the same team in terms of where the outcome should be.
But what I'm saying is if every single cop is going to say, great, you know what, I'm going to just start going to opposing every order I get because maybe five cops.
tim pool
Because if a cop says police should not shut down churches is a simple and finite granular point to be made.
That one was obvious, and the police enforced it.
Those are bad cops who should be criminally charged, in my opinion, for constitutional violations.
End of story.
ian crossland
I'm thinking about suspension of habeas corpus and how it's happened a few times, or at least Abe Lincoln did it.
This would be a conversation we'd be having about Abe Lincoln suspending habeas corpus for the Civil War.
If he hadn't done it, you could argue they wouldn't have won the Civil War.
tim pool
I think that was specifically a corridor going from D.C.
up to Philly because Maryland was a slave state and there was concerns about sympathies in Maryland.
Maryland was like one-third sympathetic to the South.
So not only did he suspend habeas corpus going up to this corridor, he actually had a bunch of state reps, delegates, arrested.
I mean, yeah, the dude, exigent circumstances, call it whatever you want, but the Civil War was nuts.
ian crossland
And they called COVID an exigent circumstance, obviously.
tim pool
What I'm seeing here is If individual officers keep playing this game of, it's not my fault, sorry, I was told to do it, then we don't have a system of laws.
Because we have corrupt politicians and cowards everywhere.
Because Bill de Blasio broke the law stealing taxpayer dollars to paint a political message in front of Trump Tower, and the police said, look, I'm just going to protect it, because I was told to do so.
It's like, okay, well, Yo, if the mayor goes and robs a bank, and you stand there protecting him as he does it, you are a bank robber.
sean spicer
But that's a crime!
tim pool
So is- so is- so is- look, shutting down a church is a crime.
Right, but wait- You don't have the right to kidnap people and shut down their churches.
It violates ev- like, the core tenets of this nation.
The founding of freedom of religion and the right to peaceably assemble.
sean spicer
We have laws protecting- I agree with you on that.
I- I'm not- look, again, I'm with you on that.
tim pool
This is- this- It's just that this is the corruption of American society and this nation.
That police no longer have moral standards, don't know, don't care, and our politicians don't either.
And so the politicians say, if I get an office, I can give unconstitutional orders to police, I will never be held accountable, and neither will the police.
That's where we are right now, based on this logic.
The only solution is to tell these cops, you know what?
When I'm in power, I'm going to make sure you feel it down to the bone.
sean spicer
But here's the point.
The they is who I'm saying hold accountable.
tim pool
But that's impossible.
sean spicer
It's not because you're saying your whole point is when the they is in power, my point is then that's who you should be holding accountable.
tim pool
I don't, I don't, I don't.
sean spicer
Everybody!
You can't.
tim pool
The cops.
sean spicer
No, no, but you're saying when, when you or who this theoretical person gets in power, you'll hold the cops accountable.
tim pool
No, always the cops accountable.
sean spicer
But my point is, in order to hold the cops accountable, you have to be in power, right?
So that person is the person that's causing the problem.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's an interesting point.
If you have a cop who shouldn't have shut down a church, where do you take them to, right?
Do you take them to their commanding officer?
That's what I'm saying.
tim pool
We need politicians.
to make sure each and every one of these officers feels the terror in their bones.
sean spicer
But that's my point, though.
The politician who's doing it is the person to blame.
tim pool
Well, who is it?
That makes literally no sense.
I'm sorry, it just doesn't make sense.
If a guy walks up to a lady and punches her in the face, I'm not going to say, who told you to do that?
I'm going to say you're under arrest for punching a lady in the face.
sean spicer
But you're saying that we need politicians who will do this, right?
Who will hold cops accountable.
My point is, There is a politician that's telling the cop to shut down a church, right?
Okay.
So hold that politician accountable!
tim pool
And then when you get in office, you go to those cops, and you strip them of their pensions, and hope they get on their knees and beg and cry, and you say, I don't care.
You're a bad person.
You are evil, and you are plaguing this country.
ian crossland
So who's the politician that's accountable for this?
Who did this?
sean spicer
Merrick Garland!
ian crossland
So Merrick Garland said he didn't know.
This is something I want to bring up, because Matt Gaetz just was grilling or talking to Millie, General Millie, and talking about all these trans or drag shows on military bases, and Millie was like, I didn't know about that.
Four of them?
I had no idea.
Send me that data.
Really?
Really, Mark?
You didn't know?
You didn't know in your military that that was happening?
You just didn't know?
Yeah, well, I mean... You had no idea?
So, Merrick Garland, you had no idea?
Had no idea that that was an issue?
Really?
This deniability thing's insane.
James Clapper, you had no idea they were spying on Americans?
None?
hannah claire brimelow
It's what we said before, either they're incompetent or they're lying, and neither one is a good look.
ian crossland
Can you arrest people for incompetence?
Like, if a violated law is given out and enforced in a guy's system, is the guy at the very top responsible for not knowing?
sean spicer
Can I get back to the point that you're getting at, right?
So, there is a Supreme Court police force.
When this all went down, Garland assigned U.S.
marshals to protect these guys.
So he took an action.
He assigned U.S.
marshals to protect the justices.
Then Katie Britt says today, hey, these justices, I mean, these marshals were told not to do anything.
And Garland says, I didn't know anything about it.
But you're the guy who's assigned the marshals in the first place.
They wouldn't have been doing the action in the first place if you, Garland, hadn't assigned them.
So, Garland is basically like, I'm the one who made them go there, but then I had no idea what they were doing?
That makes no sense.
tim pool
If, just a simple point is, these bad things only happen because human beings do them.
It doesn't matter who the boss is.
Like, when the banks fail, we don't arrest the people at the top of the banks.
Right.
What ends up happening is some, like, senior VP guy who signed off on something ends up getting fined or something like that.
There's always an excuse to protect the people in power when it comes down to it.
And because there's no actual mechanism, because I think a large portion of police officers are cowardly and corrupt, There's never going to be any law enforcement action against corrupt officials.
And then what happens is, regardless of who gets into power, they're happy to have a mindless moron force who will do whatever they're told.
They all are.
There was a lawsuit in New York.
Apparently, they won't hire police officers who have IQs above a certain number, and the argument they made was, well, they get bored and they quit, so we want stupid people.
Well, because stupid people don't know what the law is and don't question it, they just do as they're told.
That's a problem.
This is what's corrupting this country.
If every police officer had scruples, then you would have these drag shows being shut down, they're already illegal.
You would not have, at these Pride events, for instance, where, as long as I've known about them, people dance around naked and engage in overtly illegal, obscene behavior in public, but police are like, I'm not getting involved in that, because they're cowards.
Because they're cowards who don't care about their community.
Because big cities have become just corrupt wastelands.
Crime is skyrocketing for these reasons.
And Luke Rutkowski pointed this out.
He interviewed a guy.
There was a guy who started stabbing people on a train.
And the cops said, I'm not getting involved.
Because the cops are corrupt!
They're under no obligation to intervene to protect you.
And they follow unjust and unconstitutional orders all the time.
I'm done.
We need someone who gets into office, and the first thing they do is they line up all the cops.
If you're the president, it's going to be the Federal Protective Service, it's going to be ICE, it's going to be CBP, and they're going to look them all in the eyes and say, if you break the law or refuse to uphold the Constitution, I will make sure you feel it to your bones.
You will lose your pension, you will lose your job, and you will never work again.
Mark my words.
And if you want to quit now, quit.
But the problem is, politicians enjoy the fact that cops will do whatever they're told.
Because they know that people like you, Sean, will say it's not the cops' fault.
And that gives them carte blanche to do things like this.
There should be no circumstance where the far left is allowed to rampage through cities, smashing windows, setting fires, setting up the CHAZ, setting up the George Floyd Autonomous Zone, setting up the Atlanta Autonomous Zone.
But the cops don't do anything about it.
And the politicians aren't being held accountable because in Democrat cities, for instance, who's going to hold them accountable?
In Chicago, it's been Democrat rule for 100 years.
So as long as these cops are good little foot soldiers, they never have anything to worry about.
And that's why you end up with so much corruption in Chicago.
That's what's going to happen to the rest of this country.
It's going to happen to the rural areas.
And it's already happening because these cops are like, look, boss told me not to enforce the law.
I ain't going to do it.
Okay, then the far left are allowed to rampage and set fires, create autonomous zones, literally murder people, and they keep doing it.
Aaron Danielson took two to the chest.
Sure, don't get me wrong, Barr hunted that guy down and killed him, because there is still a line.
But because the law enforcement against the far left has been so lax and outright protected, like when Kamala Harris and Joe Biden's staff donated to bail these people out, they are encouraged to do more of it knowing.
Like I mentioned, with the inauguration of Trump, 200-and-some-odd far-left extremists who were rampaging through D.C., setting cars on fire, setting fires in the streets, smashing windows, actually won, and the city had to pay them.
Meanwhile, when these same extremists show up to justices' homes, Merrick Garland says, protect them.
And the cops go, you got it, buddy.
We'll make sure they're nice and protected.
ian crossland
I'm thinking about, like, in an effort to stay idealistic, like, if you gut all the entire police force because they served the Nazis or whatever, then you have no more German police.
Like, after the leadership, I'm kind of understanding what you're saying, Sean.
I kind of am with you about blame the commander.
You remove commander, you put in a just commander, and then the soldiers will immediately follow the just command.
And they don't care if it's just or unjust, they're just there to serve the commander.
Not really, truly, they're there to serve the greatness of humanity or whatever it is.
But in the chaos of war, you serve your commander first, unless they're crazy, and then you serve, you know, the men first.
But I'm concerned about what Merrick Garland did, because either this is, this is ineptitude, and he didn't know what his department was doing, or he issued this order to stand down.
sean spicer
But I'll give you one.
And again, I don't mean to, I look at The guys down at the border patrol, if you remember the guys, the horse patrol, whatever, I've had Tom Holman and I've talked to a couple of these guys, right?
These guys who did the right thing, their lives are destroyed, right?
So many of these cops that I've talked to, and I'm not, like, we're getting off on a...
There are cops that go out there and do the right thing.
Their lives get destroyed, and they're told, you arrest that guy, you arrest that person because they did that, we're going to let them out.
No one has their back anymore in this country.
I'm not saying that it's perfect, but I'm telling you that in this city, you walk down the street, you ask guys that are cops, they watch that crime, they go, hey, go arrest that guy.
You go, you know what they're going to do?
They're going to take them.
They're going to bring them down.
They're going to let them ride out.
And the cop goes, so what do you want me to do?
I'm going to get to your point.
They get, Oh, you know what?
You're going to get arrested.
You're going to get sued because you did this.
And now you're personally liable.
We're going to come after you personally for doing this.
tim pool
And the cops like, yeah, well, cops have a, what's it called?
Qualified immunity.
sean spicer
Tell me how much that helps them.
I mean, I'm just saying.
tim pool
Yeah, the left will destroy their lives and the right does nothing but excuse them.
So I'm just, I'm not interested.
Watching these cops shut down churches, I was just like, how is that possible?
I thought cops were like more conservative.
I watched a video of Antifa attack a guy and the cops arrested the victim because they were scared what Antifa would do and they apologized to Antifa.
I saw a video where a guy in his own home was arrested by the police as BLM cheered for the police.
I thought they hated the police!
No, they don't want to defund them.
They want to replace them with loyal forces who will do what they say.
And it's working.
We watch with the Merrick Garland incident, far-left extremists have battered police into absolute submission, and that's why these cops need to be held accountable.
These cops need to fear the law enforcement more than they fear far-left extremists.
They need to say to themselves, look man, if I don't arrest that guy, I'm gonna lose my pension.
I have to arrest him.
It's the law.
Right now it's the opposite.
Right now they're going, if I enforce the law against the people who control the reins of politics, they're gonna come after me.
I better just do nothing.
Okay, well that's a corrupt cop in my opinion.
They are sacrificing this country for personal gain.
Got to get rid of them.
Got to fire them.
Got to strip them of their pensions.
That's the only thing they'll understand.
Because right now, the path of least resistance for these cops is to be corrupt and to support corrupt politicians because it's easier.
It's safer for them.
I want to make sure it's harder for them.
ian crossland
You can reward them for doing the right thing.
That would be like an instance of punishing them for doing the wrong thing.
And then additionally, you're saying guys get their lives destroyed, their livelihoods destroyed.
What would be a way to help them?
sean spicer
Again, I feel like we're way down a rabbit hole, but I still don't understand this because if a cop goes out and arrests everyone, and the mayor of the city says, I'm going to let everyone out the second you arrest them, and then he goes, and I'll arrest him again.
Okay, and the mayor lets him out again.
But at some point, you need to get the politicians who are creating the system and change them.
If you don't get those people out, the system doesn't change.
tim pool
But who said anything about not doing that?
I literally said we need a politician who's going to go in.
sean spicer
That's what I, but that's why I'm saying we actually agree on that part.
tim pool
Right, and then once they're in, they go to each individual cop who's supportive.
sean spicer
But the cops are just responding to that.
tim pool
The police officers as individuals need to understand they will be held responsible as individuals.
So we need a politician who gets in and the first thing he does is he goes to the corrupt officer that made illegal arrests and defended far-left extremists and say, you're a collaborator and you're lucky we don't criminally charge you.
You are being stripped of your badge, stripped of your weapon, stripped of your pension.
Go home.
You will never work in law enforcement again.
These cops that are defending corrupt politicians are the henchmen of evil, evil people.
So we need a politician to go in and then start reviewing which one of these officers is corrupt.
I mean, Chicago is a hell zone.
There was an incident where a cop parked illegally and a meter maid gave him a ticket.
So he went outside, grabbed her by the throat and slammed her and lifted her up by her neck, screaming at her.
Because the cops in Chicago are dirty as they come. They operate black sites where they kidnap
people and torture them.
There was a famous story of the guy who was cattle prodding, electrocuting people into
false confessions because these cops never get held accountable. And I like the police departments.
Suburban police departments that are smaller tend to be pretty good. But you get in these big cities,
they're bad. You get in areas like D.C., they're bad.
Someone needs to make sure we get rid of the corrupt cops and create an institution of good cops. But
sean spicer
you realize what you just said?
unidentified
Now you get it.
sean spicer
The police officers are enforcers for corrupt politicians.
They'd have been controlled by Democrats forever.
Chicago, D.C.
They're all controlled by Democrats.
And so as long as they're all responsive to a system.
tim pool
Now you get it.
The police officers are enforcers for corrupt politicians.
If there were no police, the corrupt politicians would be able to do nothing.
It is plainly an obvious logic.
A politician who goes outside and issues an order that is not followed has no power.
None.
But when you have corrupt police officers that say, yes sir, we'll do whatever you say, then you have a problem.
Getting rid of that corrupt politician doesn't change the fact you have a corrupt police enforcement.
Because the next politician that gets in in these cities in Chicago or New York will be as corrupt, and the corrupt police will enforce the corrupt actions.
But if you get rid of the officers and enforce it at the individual level, the corrupt politicians will have no power.
sean spicer
Who's going to get rid of them?
tim pool
Well, that's an entirely different argument.
The fact is, the only way you stop the corruption is to root it out.
Cutting the top of the weed off doesn't get rid of the weeds.
You've got to pull it by the roots.
ian crossland
One thing concerns me, if you remove all the officers at the bottom, that the corrupt politicians would hire mercenaries to do their job.
So just getting rid of what looks like one problem doesn't necessarily mean the problem's going to go away.
hannah claire brimelow
In some ways it could get worse, right?
Because then you have drawn a line in the sand over who is willing to work with this police commissioner or whatever the next step up is.
tim pool
It may be.
hannah claire brimelow
And you're not saying, you know, who's going to fill them, right?
Like, I feel like at this point you're saying either you take everyone out all at once or there's a chance for the problem to fester as we try and sort of sift through this, right?
tim pool
The issue may be that there is no way to stop the corruption, because these cities will keep electing the same people who then have law enforcement who keep doing exactly as they're told, regardless of what's legal or not.
But the point is, the mayors, the governors, have no power without the men and women in uniform to enforce their decrees.
So to act like a corrupt A large group of corrupt individuals, or mostly corrupt, not all of them, I don't think all of them are, but a lot of them, especially a lot of the superiors, willing to take political action instead of just action, so long as they exist, you can never stop the corrupt politicians.
But a corrupt politician without law enforcement to do their bidding has no power at all.
They can go outside and say, we're gonna, if the cops refused to listen to Merrick Garland and said, we're gonna arrest them if they break the law, Then Merrick Garland would stomp his feet and be like, but I'm Merrick Garland!
It's like, it's illegal to protest in front of a Supreme Court Justice's home.
Nothing you say will change that.
Get Congress to change the law.
But for the time being, we enforce the law as it's written.
Merrick Garland would just cry about it.
Instead, they let Merrick Garland do these illegal things.
Unconstitutional things.
It's selectively enforcing laws against conservatives and ignoring the far left.
sean spicer
That, I just, I agree with you on.
I mean, in fact, today they were literally asking Mayorkas about that with respect to the border.
They literally said to him, you have, the border wall is an act of Congress.
It was passed.
Why are you not building it?
And he obfuscated a bunch of things.
I mean, there are laws.
You either follow them or you don't.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, let's go to Super Chats!
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So we did time and we did money options.
But we'll be taking calls from you guys, which will be a lot of fun.
But for now, we'll read your Super Chats!
Alright, Shadow's Hand says, multiple schools were called with shooting hoaxes across the country today, claiming that there were shooting threats that were going to happen.
My niece's school is one of them, no one is talking about this.
We did have that planned, maybe we'll talk about it in the uncensored portion.
ian crossland
Yeah, these are the ones where the calls were coming from foreign, outside the United States.
tim pool
Crazy, right?
It feels like things are getting really weird.
hannah claire brimelow
And that everyone can see where we're vulnerable, right?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
I'm Not Your Buddy Guy says, if the devil had a cult, tell me one different thing to wokeness.
They celebrate all seven deadly sins, even promote the mutilation of God's image.
Yeah, I don't disagree with that.
It's kind of weird, right?
ian crossland
I think if the devil had a cult, he'd be a rock star.
So watch out.
tim pool
What do you mean by that, though?
ian crossland
Lucifer?
tim pool
Do you mean like a musician?
ian crossland
Yeah, he'd be someone that everyone loves, you know?
tim pool
So not Donald Trump.
hannah claire brimelow
He could be a social media influencer.
ian crossland
Big cultist on the internet, have millions of followers on YouTube.
Watch out.
tim pool
T-Rex Pet Shop says you can find us on Public Square.
It's great.
Vote with your dollar and stop supporting woke pet stores.
Agreed!
You know, and you can find businesses that do delivery and stuff too, so even if they're not in your area, if you need something, like if you need pet food or anything from a pet store, T-Rex Pet Shop.
Go on Public Square app, look around for businesses, and you can order from them if you're going to order anything.
Let's build up that parallel economy.
And you can also go to castbrew.com and buy coffee from us.
All right.
Steve-O says, Sean, was it difficult working on the Avengers set as Agent Coulson's stunt double?
But seriously, keep speaking out in every way possible.
Has anyone ever said that to you before?
unidentified
No!
sean spicer
All right.
tim pool
Max Reddick says, can we talk about David Pakman?
This guy is losing it.
I used to listen to him to see what the left thinks and is saying about current issues, but he constantly strawmans conservative arguments.
Don't they all?
hannah claire brimelow
Him in particular, maybe?
I don't know.
ian crossland
I'm really trying not to insult David Pakman, but the last couple days he said some really stupid stuff about, or he said one tweet in particular that was really, really vicious.
And I, you know, he's a bit, you know, David, I feel like, you know, you know how to put on a suit, you know how to set up a studio, but like, are you really doing, like, what are you doing?
tim pool
You saw what he tweeted?
sean spicer
It's the one that Don responded.
Is that the one that Don Jr.
tim pool
responded to?
He might have.
He said something like, perhaps this happened because there weren't thoughts and prayers or whatever.
sean spicer
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Don responded to it and then he responded to Don.
Yeah, so I, yeah.
I mean, yes.
One of those ones where you just sit it out.
But he deleted the tweet, correct?
tim pool
And then he claimed that it was because he was getting anti-Semitic attacks and death threats, and then he deleted that one, too, because people were like, no, dude, this ain't it.
Like, the left was coming at him.
They were like, bro, what is wrong with you?
He made this fake argument.
He's like, the right says these shootings are happening because they took prayer out of schools.
I'm like, no, they're not.
They've been saying it's mental health issues and gun-free zones.
So he's making fake arguments up and then arguing against them.
hannah claire brimelow
Especially with this school in particular.
They probably didn't take prayer out of the church, Christian school that's run by the church.
tim pool
His point was nonsense.
sean spicer
All right.
tim pool
Perturbed Alpaca says, we are in Spain in the 30s.
We will break out into a multi-front, multifactional civil war, and the new superpowers will send volunteers to test the emerging weaponized drone and AI technologies.
I don't disagree.
People should watch, I watched a documentary on the Spanish Civil War, and the similarities are terrifying.
People don't understand because they think Civil War is like the American Civil War.
But in the American Civil War, Virginia was a sovereign state, functioned within its own government.
You know, Tennessee was its own state, New York was its own state.
And so it was a bunch of different countries.
It was more akin to like a, like a world, like World War I, with all these different countries fighting each other.
We called it World War, but it was like mostly Europe.
That's what the Civil War was more like.
Actual civil wars throughout history have been You know, people post photos of the United States where it's like, here's the blue areas and here's the red areas.
How could there be a civil war?
And I'm like, that map looks like every civil war map outside of the United States.
Like, yes, the urban centers become one faction, the rural areas are another faction, and then they fight, and the rural factions always win.
Surprise!
The people who know how to survive in the wilderness tend to be able to defeat people who can't grow food.
sean spicer
Who live in a building that... Right!
hannah claire brimelow
They want it to be, like, perfectly separated.
Like, the people over here don't like each other, and then they're just gonna randomly... Like, that would make it so you didn't have a civil war because they could leave each other alone.
tim pool
Right.
Balkanization.
All right.
John Kirson says, Tim, not sure if it hit your radar, but schools statewide and PA got robocalls saying there was an active shooter causing massive responses.
Something to look into.
It's happening all over the country, apparently.
Crazy.
sean spicer
All right.
tim pool
Hillbillary Clinton says, this is a perfect example of why we need to stop blaming
guns and start blaming people that are mentally ill.
The mainstream media will never do that though, especially when a trans person is to blame.
Yep.
hannah claire brimelow
But the mainstream media doesn't look at transgenderism as a mental illness
the same way they would regard schizophrenia or, you know, something else as mental illness.
sean spicer
By the way, you notice in any of these stories that – I noticed it this morning that that was not – I can't say I saw every story, right, by any means.
It was amazing how that literally didn't even come up, the transgender issue.
It was almost like they didn't want most people, and we talked about this earlier in terms of how many independents.
It was like the NBCs, the ABCs, the CBSes, and the Washington Post, and again, I can't speak for every one of those, but I saw a few of them, almost didn't want you to know the Whatever, the genderism of the shooter.
They just sort of said the shooter.
tim pool
Do you see what Reuters said?
sean spicer
No.
tim pool
Former Christian student.
shoots up school or whatever.
sean spicer
But there was the AP story today where they said that this is
the headmistress, they said in a male dominated industry, like
it's it was a religious school. And they were like, this isn't
like, like an industry. I mean, it was it's, they go to lengths
to just change the narrative, because it goes against what they want people to think about something that goes counter
to to all of the that they don't want anything to go against
this whole theory that that somehow it could, you know, it's not
a bunch of right wing crazy nutjob.
hannah claire brimelow
It has to be the fact that she was at a Christian school.
That's what made this happen.
ian crossland
But that was her second target.
Like, the first target she went to was locked down by some sort of security, so she couldn't... What was the first target?
I don't even know.
Was it not a Christian thing?
tim pool
I think it was a mall.
ian crossland
So I believe then that it wasn't targeted.
It wasn't like she was going after Christians.
unidentified
No, it was.
tim pool
The cops said that, based on what they learned, it was a targeted attack at the school.
ian crossland
Even though she went to the mall?
tim pool
Yeah.
Maybe she had two different targets in mind for two different reasons, but this one was definitely targeted.
At least that's what the police said.
sean spicer
She had maps and everything.
But the point is that I just find it interesting, and this goes back to what I was saying earlier about the Biden stuff, right?
That they cut out, he makes inappropriate jokes, and that's being kind.
And they cut out the narrative because they don't want you to see that.
And then they don't report on this part of it, of the shooter, because they don't want you to see that.
They want to perpetrate a narrative about who this person is, who the bad guy is, who the good guy is, why the shooter is now a victim.
Because we've got to make sure that this all falls in line with who the good people are and who the bad people are.
tim pool
All right, Martin Edgar says the biggest problem is if conservatives protest or complain they're called domestic terrorists by the administration, the media, and the left, and the DOJ.
When the left does the same, they're victims of oppression.
Which is why the most important thing you can do is have a family, make money.
sean spicer
No joke!
tim pool
Then, in 10 or 20 years, you will have well-adjusted, intelligent, capable children who make money and control industry, and then the far-left weirdos will be crying about it and begging government to steal it from you.
But you will have more power, more access.
That's how you win this thing.
I mean, look.
Move out of the cities, get some chickens, get some goats, have a family, make some money, get in shape, start exercising.
All of these things will make you stronger and more powerful.
And if that trend continues for 20 years, the woke far-left weirdos will be left with nothing because they're not having kids.
You're not going to be in their schools.
Your kids won't be in their schools.
They will eventually cease to exist.
ian crossland
You know, something to protect your mind from is cynicism, too.
Like, if you find yourself thinking, well, they're just going to do it anyway.
Like, you lose.
They will do it if you think that.
But if you have faith, that's the antidote to cynicism.
So have faith.
sean spicer
All right.
tim pool
David Toronto says, it's not all about age, it's about Democrats.
They are all crazy.
Look at our government.
They are Gen Z. They are older.
Sorry, but Dems are loons.
Well, yeah, they attract each other and I think prominent Democrats are smarter and they're more like Pied Pipers who are empowered by zombie hordes.
hannah claire brimelow
And older Democrats move to respond to what younger voters are saying, right?
At one point, wasn't Hillary Clinton against gay marriage?
tim pool
She was in 2016, I'm pretty sure.
Like a leaked email came out or something?
sean spicer
And Biden was against all that.
hannah claire brimelow
They drifted to catch the upcoming voter class.
sean spicer
They'll go wherever they have to.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, drifting farther away.
sean spicer
Exactly.
All right.
tim pool
Son of a Murph says, make family dinners great again.
Agreed.
And I gotta tell you, man, you know, you may notice Ben Shapiro is not online Friday evenings throughout through Saturday because of Shabbat.
And this is a tremendous advantage for the Jewish community in that once a week their family comes together, disconnects from all the BS, talks to each other, reinforcing community.
You have the strengthening of the family unit, and then when they go to church, synagogue, or whatever it's referred to, like when they go to religious, that's when their community, when the families then come together and have that convergence, that is the stem, is the root of the flower.
For most of us in this country, that's been cut off.
We don't have family dinners, and we don't go to church.
So we're not convening with our own families, and then we're not convening with our community.
That's something people need to pay attention to, which is why we want to do Saturday morning cartoons at the new cafe, where we have families come in, bring their kids, the kids can hang out, watch approved educational cartoons.
We'll have pancake sausage, maybe not so much... well, we have to do pancakes, but I'm not big on the sugar stuff, right?
But some people might be.
So we'll make eggs with our chickens, Farm Fresh Chicken City eggs and all that.
And then families can hang out, build communal bonds, and I think that is a key to winning the culture war.
Then we'll open in 10 years, we'll have 50 locations, and all across the country people will come and hang out for Saturday morning cartoons.
That's how we do it!
I wish I had a billion dollars.
Yo, if I was... I don't even know if you need a billion dollars for it.
If I was making as much as Joe Rogan was, I'd hire a guy and be like, start setting up coffee shops all over the country to do this.
So maybe five years we'll have the resources for that.
ian crossland
Yeah, if this one's profitable, then you could probably raise that money immediately.
tim pool
That's the thing too, like maybe investment is the real path forward.
We are about, the estimate is two months till operability for the coffee shop, but we gotta do the second floor, the third floor, and there's a lot of permits and stuff.
It'll probably be a little bit longer, but my family has experience with opening cafes before, so based on everything we've gone through, it may be two months.
Once we have this built, I'm fairly confident that we could easily get a substantial investment to spring up a bunch of these locations in major areas.
Create community hangout kind of places.
ian crossland
Create some cool recipes for breakfast.
Almond flour pancakes with a little maple syrup.
unidentified
Lower sugar content.
hannah claire brimelow
I want all of the cartoons to be done by Freedom Tunes.
I want him to make a specific children's Saturday morning reel.
tim pool
Well, the idea is Saturday mornings, it'll be like, you know, Daily Wire's got Chip Chilla, so we'll play whatever content they allow us.
If they're cool with us playing their cartoons in these venues, then absolutely.
And maybe older cartoons that are just not as funny.
hannah claire brimelow
Tom and Jerry?
tim pool
I mean, Bugs Bunny's a little bit empty, right?
ian crossland
Tom and Jerry's a little violent.
That's what I was told growing up.
tim pool
I don't care about the violence.
It's like, there's no real message in it.
We want a positive message.
hannah claire brimelow
If your book becomes a cartoon?
sean spicer
Yeah, I'm thinking, hey, I'll do it.
tim pool
Brave Books, get some animation.
ian crossland
You'd probably get an AI to animate it, dude.
sean spicer
Someone asked me the other day if I read, you know, is there an audio version?
I'm like, maybe this is the way to get into that.
We could do the audio.
ian crossland
You'd have to super start them.
tim pool
But we could do motion stills, where you basically just show each page slowly moving, with a person narrating the characters.
sean spicer
I like where you're going with this.
tim pool
And that's a start.
But it's also about the adults, too.
It's about the parents coming and meeting each other.
So we do these community events, and then... Oh, this is what you're talking about, getting to know your neighbors, right?
Exactly.
I think that'll save this country and the world.
And I'm pretty sure we know enough people who'd be willing to invest in that.
We just need to get this one up and running.
Then once we're interviewing managers, then that manager will get to manage another location somewhere else, but we'll start popping them up all over the place.
And the best part is, once we have like 5,000 locations, it's going to be so awesome when they try and pull another lockdown and every single location refuses to close.
They're gonna go, uh-oh, this massive corporation is not abiding.
What do we do?
It's like, I don't know.
You can't do anything about it.
And then we'll, uh, we'll, we'll win the culture war!
All right, let's read some more.
Cain Abel says, Ian, tolerance is what led us here today.
This is why you should not tolerate evil in any way or shape.
ian crossland
Yeah, I know, but tolerance also is what led us to where we were 40 years ago or 30 years ago, when we were like the greatest cultural revolution on earth, like really with Hollywood and all this really fancy Walt Disney.
What do you think, like the 80s?
No, like 1920, 30, 40, 50, 60, like our ability to tolerate religions of all kinds, creeds of all kinds.
There was a lot of problems, but it was like one of the better Tolerant systems on earth.
But I get like that's a problem with liberal democracies is they're easy to infiltrate with bad ideas.
I think you just gotta you know lack of sense if you can let the ideas rise to the surface a lot of is like if you're stomping out good ideas and just letting only letting the bad ones rise that's all you're gonna see.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you ever think that in being in while striving to be tolerant people become too passive and therefore don't say no to things?
ian crossland
I guess aggressive tolerance is one way to go.
hannah claire brimelow
Because I feel like tolerance with boundaries, yeah?
ian crossland
You have to have structural, functional boundaries, yeah, of course, yeah.
Yes.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more Super Chats.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, geez, Tim, today's episode is quite enraging.
The truth of the situation is that no one will save but us.
We must stand up for ourselves.
You, me, the folks watching are our only way out of this.
But I think it actually is really simple, and you know, a lot of people are wondering what to do, and it's like, have a family, get out of the cities, and make money.
Get the chickens.
Yeah, man.
Be more self-sufficient.
Allocate your money properly.
I can hear Max Keiser screaming, buy Bitcoin.
ian crossland
Move to El Salvador!
tim pool
I don't know about moving to El Salvador.
ian crossland
That's what Max wants.
tim pool
Me personally, though, I think crypto is another venue.
If everybody listening to this show Twelve years ago, if you bought Bitcoin, the culture war would be over.
Because you would have millions of Bitcoin millionaires controlling industry and snapping their fingers and just doing whatever they want.
You know, a lot of Bitcoin- Tremendous influence.
ian crossland
A lot of Bitcoin millionaires and billionaires went to Puerto Rico three or four years ago to turn it into a utopic 21st century- To not pay taxes.
tim pool
Because if you live in Puerto Rico, there's no income tax.
ian crossland
And I've heard it's just been trashed.
I haven't been there.
There was a hurricane, too, that decimated the island.
God, how is that not still getting news?
What were you going to say, Sean?
sean spicer
No, that's why I didn't realize that was the motivation.
Would they still be millionaires?
Is that where Bitcoin is now?
So if you held it, would you still?
tim pool
If I bought Bitcoin—so first, If I had bought Bitcoin in 2011 when I wanted to, I'd have sold it when it hit $5.
I was gonna buy it at $0.70.
My friend convinced me not to do it.
True story.
And, uh, shout out to Jeff.
And, uh, you know, he said, don't buy it.
At five bucks, I would have been like, that's a massive increase.
I'm taking the couple grand.
Because I had no way of knowing it would be at $30,000 per coin.
But I would have, right now, I think like $200 million.
I was going to put $5,000 into Bitcoin in 2011.
Back then, in order to buy it, you had to email random people and there were no exchanges.
It was just some weird thing on the internet.
And then someone would send it to your address.
I actually had 20 Bitcoin that I lost, which is like half a million dollars, I think.
ian crossland
I used to play poker with this dude, and he was like, you get Bitcoins?
I'm like, I don't know, what is it?
He's like, you gotta write it down.
He had a piece of paper.
I was like, no, dude, no.
It was 2011.
tim pool
I had a computer.
I had about 20 Bitcoin on it.
It got destroyed, and I didn't care because it was like 15 bucks.
Now it's half a million dollars.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
But it is what it is.
So those coins are gone forever.
ian crossland
I think a lot of it is an example of how little faith people have in the U.S.
dollar.
That's why crypto is doing so well.
sean spicer
Yep.
tim pool
So here's the best part.
I never spent that $5,000.
It was in my savings.
And since then, I've only saved more.
So in my investment, retirement, or whatever, that money never got spent.
If I had just taken it and put it in Bitcoin, at its peak, Bitcoin hit about $60K.
I would have been worth half a billion.
ian crossland
Are you much into crypto?
sean spicer
I think you guys are the ones – the last time I was here, I put a few grand – I mean I think like that – I literally think that's when I invested the last time.
I think Luke forced me to get in.
ian crossland
Yeah.
He'll do that.
sean spicer
Yeah.
But that's why I'm saying like I got in.
hannah claire brimelow
You've been influenced by Tim Guest.
sean spicer
Yeah.
But I was very late to the game, clearly.
And that's why I'm trying to figure out, you know, because I know that I have not seen the huge returns that... Yeah.
ian crossland
For me, I think of it as a form of insurance in case... Right.
sean spicer
And this is not, by any stretch of the imagination, I'd put enough in there just so that I could be part of the experience.
unidentified
How's the experience? Not great. That's why I'm trying to figure out what, you know, or I don't
know. I'm not, not always saying hold. That's the thing. I know that's what it's old. Hold, hold.
hannah claire brimelow
So it's been a couple of years. I mean, I feel that's true of the stock market, too. People,
tim pool
when you have to hold on, that's it. So the hold is like you, you, you're supposed to periodically,
or this is what this is what they say every, every week or so often you put money into Bitcoin.
You put a small percentage in because it's where you save a store of value.
And then, like with any investment, you take only a little bit out.
So you're putting more in than you're taking out, but it's because the value is increasing.
sean spicer
Okay.
tim pool
So this is the theory.
I'm not telling anybody to do anything.
I don't give financial advice.
But I'll say this.
I invested in Bitcoin several years ago and You know, it's like 20 times up.
ian crossland
I'll say Max Keiser and Stacey Herbert, who are in El Salvador, which has adopted Bitcoin as its national currency, are like partying like it is like 1999 Prince.
It is like they are on top of the world with joy every day.
They live in joy.
tim pool
Well, El Salvador's crime rate has collapsed.
The standard of living has skyrocketed.
What the president has done down there with Bitcoin has revolutionized this country for the better.
And now people want to live there because I think they're saying now it is the lowest crime in Central America.
It used to have some of the highest crime.
And then the media got mad.
They started arresting all of these cartel and gang members.
I'm like, dude, he is revolutionizing that country for the better.
And I'm like, you know, Luke is telling me to get property down there to create a hub so we can go down periodically.
And I'm like, does Luke have property?
Not a bad idea.
You know, it's getting it's getting expensive, though, because because now everybody's it's getting it's getting nice.
ian crossland
The words El Salvador translates to the savior.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
El Salvador.
tim pool
Is that really what that means?
ian crossland
Yeah, the Savior.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
I think we gotta set up like a TeamCast down there.
ian crossland
Or The Saving the Savior, yeah, either.
tim pool
Get like an office down there and set up a studio so that we can periodically go down and do shows.
unidentified
It'd be cool.
tim pool
Yeah, it'd be cool.
ian crossland
Spend February down there or something.
tim pool
Maybe November through March.
ian crossland
Starting a global reach over here.
unidentified
Yeah, the satellite office.
tim pool
I think it'd be great.
hannah claire brimelow
We need to be in the sun.
We'll be like, Tim, I've gotta move to the satellite office for a couple weeks.
tim pool
I mean, that's fine.
ian crossland
A couple weeks.
unidentified
Just a couple weeks.
hannah claire brimelow
Ian starts just commuting remotely.
ian crossland
Let's go surfing.
tim pool
All right.
Phuket Freddy says Tim is 100% right.
Clip the rant.
Just read Ordinary Men by Christopher Browning.
Right on.
All right.
What do we got here?
Viking Vet says there's a famous movie about this, Unlawful Orders.
Jack Nicholson, Tom Cruise, a few good men.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
Moral and ethical actions against orders used to be valued and we believed was duty.
What happened to that?
Um, it became every man for himself.
No one, no one, uh, look, Luke made a video a decade ago where he's like, every day millions of people get on the subway and none of them ever talk to each other.
So I decided to talk to them.
It's like this really heartfelt video where he asks people questions, but he's right.
If you lived in New York, you totally get it.
You don't know who your next door neighbor is.
Everyone is isolated from each other.
That's what happened.
So what they end up doing now, what they do, if they want to arrest a gym owner, they know local cops will not do it because the cops have to use that gym, or the cops know people who know them.
They'll find cops from a city, you know, one town over, bring them in to enforce unjust laws.
Because these cops are like, I'm never coming back here.
That's a sad reality.
All right, let's read some more.
Noob Actuals says, I cannot stand politicians.
We need more civil servants who hate the position they're in, but know it's necessary.
They are not better or more important than anybody else.
ian crossland
Yeah, serve the office, not the person.
tim pool
I think Matt Gaetz is great.
I was watching him today when, you know, he's talking about all this stuff.
ian crossland
And I'm just like... I wanted to message him today.
tim pool
I just can't imagine doing a job where everyone tries to destroy you.
I mean, you too, man.
Doing a job where they try to destroy you, they lie about you, and you, like, don't make money doing it.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
tim pool
Like, what's the benefit other than, like, someone's got to do this job, man, you know?
sean spicer
And you know I know we were talking about this before it starts like there's days when you have to in my job in particular and in some of these other ones too but where you can't say I mean you're hamstrung you can't say anything because your job is to serve right and And to some degree, that's the hardest part, where you're being attacked, and part of it isn't to defend yourself, because you're supposed to be serving somebody else.
ian crossland
Yeah, I asked you if you could say what you thought, because someone was like, Ian, you should be the speaker for Donald Trump.
And I'm like, ha ha ha, well, and then I'm like, can I say what I think?
Can I be like, nah?
And Sean was like, no.
sean spicer
No, that's not your job.
And that's the hardest part, because there are days where You would see something about yourself and that your job is not to defend yourself.
You're there to serve and speak for somebody else.
unidentified
So how did you stay motivated then?
sean spicer
Because I found great honor to have a position like that, to think about it.
I grew up in, we were talking about this before, my dad was a salesman.
The idea of being 60 feet from the Oval Office of the President of the United States, That's unreal.
And so to wake up every day and think, I'm going into the White House, I'm serving the President of the United States and the American people, is a pretty awesome responsibility.
And if that's not enough of a motivation, you're in the wrong business.
So for me, that's what did it.
But it's tough every day when someone's, in a lot of cases, I remember there was this one day where it says Politico tweets out and it says Spicer is, I think the phrase they used was like butt tweeting or something, right?
And the problem was, because there was this tweet that came out from at press, the problem was they didn't look at the handle of the Twitter.
tim pool
It was fake.
sean spicer
It was yeah.
And again, of course, at PressSec is the Press Secretary's Twitter handle, and it's verified and whatever.
But they hadn't they were in such a hurry to denounce you to denounce me.
And this is why I wrote a book about fake news.
You know, children's book is because that's what it was like.
And you're going and finally, once I You know, called it out to the reporter.
Instead of apologizing, they wrote, apparently that was it wasn't apparently no, no, you were wrong.
tim pool
Yeah.
sean spicer
But it wasn't like we made a mistake.
It was apparently there's another handle.
And it was like, like, that's if you're making it up, like, or Yeah, it's like as if they didn't make a mistake.
But that's you had to you had to eat it every day because you can't make it about you.
tim pool
Let's grab this one more super chat.
American Woman says, our checks and balances are broken.
Cops won't arrest.
DAs won't prosecute.
Judges won't enforce.
Politicians lie and elections are corrupt.
When every avenue of Regis is cut off, what then?
Ra's al Ghul.
I'm sorry, Ra's al Ghul and the League of Assassins.
ian crossland
What about them?
tim pool
Well, they decided the solution was to put a hallucinogen chemical into the water supply of Gotham and then vaporize it so that they would wipe the city out and then rebuild.
ian crossland
Via the Scarecrow.
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Oh, I see.
tim pool
But no, none of that.
We just need people to have families, get some chickens, and make some money.
ian crossland
But dear God, you don't want to force people into desperation.
You make a good point.
If you make a mockery of the system, people might get desperate, and that is not the way to go.
So we need to take this system very seriously.
tim pool
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You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.
You can follow me at TimCastSean.
You want to shout anything out?
sean spicer
Again, go to bravebooks.com.
You can get the Parents Go Banana, the great book for the next few days, that till the end of March, you can get it for $1.
No better deal in the Biden economy than that.
Bravebooks.com.
ian crossland
And people can follow you on Twitter, too.
I want to point them to, I think it's just Sean Spicer.
hannah claire brimelow
Cool.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
You should go to TimCast.com, click on the read tab, see all of the work from me, Chris Burtman, all of our other journalists.
You can follow at TimCastNews on Twitter and Instagram.
It's the best.
If you want to follow me personally, you can follow me on Instagram at HannahClaire.B and you can follow me on Twitter at hcbrimlow.
Thanks so much!
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland.
Follow me at iancrossland.net and anywhere on social media, Ian Crossland.
This is a copy of The Parrots Go Bananas.
Sean Spicer and Brave Books Art by Martine Marron.
I hope I said your name right.
unidentified
Martine.
ian crossland
Is it just Martine?
unidentified
So if you guys want to get a copy, bravebooks.com.
ian crossland
Thanks, Sean.
sean spicer
Thank you, Ian.
unidentified
And iamsurge.com.
That got kind of heated, didn't it?
It was good.
tim pool
It was great.
unidentified
It was fun.
We'll see you guys in the after show.
Later.
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