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Timcast IRL - GOP REJECTS New J6 Footage From Tucker, DEFENDS Democrats w/Kash Patel
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tim pool
Last night, Tucker Carlson presented footage to the American people about the American
election.
He showed that the January 6th Select Committee and Democrats were lying about what happened
on January 6th.
Now, let's take a look at the footage.
Now, most of us knew they were lying because there's tons of video footage available to the public.
But now we got what I would say is definitive proof that, in one instance, with the Q Shaman, yeah, he didn't do anything wrong.
He was escorted by police through the building.
They tried to open doors for him.
And then they end up putting him in prison anyway.
If this video was released to the public, along with many other videos, it would have completely debunked the narratives that were being pushed out by the mainstream media and the Democratic Party.
Notably, the officer Sicknick, the officer who died, Officer Sicknick, a day later, videos of him walking around doing normal work stuff, completely, seemingly uninjured.
And they tried claiming, or I should say they literally claimed, and even to this day, the New York Times still claims he was killed by Trump supporters.
It's a lie.
Well, Mitch McConnell came out in his Mitch McConnell-y goodness and rejected Tucker Carlson's report, said it was a mistake, and he sides with the establishment, with the police, with the Democrats on this one, so surprise, surprise.
We gotta go through this evidence and talk about this, because, um...
It's big stuff.
And we got a bunch of other stories, too, related to that that we'll get into.
Some about censorship and things like that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Kash Patel.
kash patel
Tim, happy birthday.
I didn't know it was your birthday week.
Thursday.
I would have brought a gift.
I don't even know what to get Tim Poole.
What do you get Tim Poole for his birthday?
tim pool
A membership at TimCast.com.
kash patel
Okay, maybe I'm going to have to sign up now.
Thanks for having me back on the show.
It's amazing to be out here.
tim pool
Yeah, for those that don't know, who are you?
What do you do?
kash patel
I do nothing.
I pay to get on this show.
No, Kash Patel, long story short, government boob, was in for 16 years, ended up being the Chief of Staff at DOD for the Trump administration, Deputy Director of National Intelligence, and I'm the Chief Investigator for Russiagate under Devin Nunes, who exposed the whole Russiagate narrative stuff.
Now, been on the outside advising Donald Trump.
And my passion project, FightWithCash.
FightWithCash.com started out as a legal offense trust for people who were being defamed and didn't have the money to do so.
That spurned into a 501c3, the Cash Foundation.
So now we raise money for active duty soldiers, law enforcement, tuition assistance.
We fund whistleblowers.
We're getting a hit piece on us because we actually had the audacity to fund credible whistleblowers.
That's a whole nother story.
And we gave away over $100,000 last year.
And this year we'd like to give away a million.
FightWithCash.com.
TheCashFoundation.com.
tim pool
Very cool.
Yeah, we'll talk about Trump and political stuff too.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Speculations with the Santas.
Thanks for hanging out.
It should be fun.
We got Phil Labonte hanging out.
phil labonte
Hello everyone.
Phil Labonte, lead singer of All That Remains, anti-communist and counter-revolutionary.
tim pool
Anti-communist.
kash patel
I love it.
ian crossland
Hi everyone, I'm Ian Cross, and I'm going to talk about graphing tonight, because I want that.
Love you, Cash.
Good to see you, man.
Hey, smash that like button for Cash, and I hope maybe we can involve Smash with Cash for, I don't know, just take that word, smash.
kash patel
Smash with Cash, it's a new t-shirt.
All proceeds go to whatever Tim Pool and company wanted to go to.
ian crossland
Thumbs up.
kash patel
Done.
Sold.
We have our own merch store.
ian crossland
Great to see you, dude.
unidentified
And I am Surg.com.
ian crossland
With killer glasses, by the way.
unidentified
Yeah, I got the same eye shades on today.
Let's do this.
tim pool
So we have this tweet from Charlie Kirk.
Breaking Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell calls it a mistake for Tucker Carlson and
Fox News to release the never before seen J6 footage.
Let me play for you this short clip.
mitch mcconnell
It was a mistake in my view for Fox News to depict this in a way that's completely at
variance with what our chief law enforcement official here at the Capitol thinks.
tim pool
Wow, that's Mitch McConnell back in the blue right there, baby.
That's what it's called, back in the blue.
And then Elon Musk responded, I keep forgetting which party he belongs to, and Charlie Kirk, he nails it, he says, Uniparty.
Yeah, that's basically it.
So, as many of you know, we got this footage released.
I think it's very important.
It shows that the Q Shaman, actually, let me see if I can just pull up the video footage.
I know we showed it last night, but for those that missed it,
I want you all to see this, so you can show your friends and your family,
the people who don't believe you, the Q Shaman being escorted by police through the building,
who make no attempt whatsoever to stop him.
And not only do they make no attempt to stop him, They actually try to open doors for him!
How are you going to charge someone with unlawful entry or trespassing or parading or whatever when you're escorting him through the building and opening doors?
Well, look at this.
Here he is walking through a mob of police officers who don't care.
At all.
Literally don't care.
Here we go.
Right this way, sir.
Here you are.
And then sure enough, when he goes in, he says, thank you to the Heavenly Father for taking the inspiration needed to these police officers to allow us into the building.
tucker carlson
there you go there it is now chancellor understood the capital police were his allies
video shows him giving thanks for them in a prayer on the floor of the senate watch
tim pool
contract to allow us into the building Yo, they let these people in the building.
And Mitch McConnell, he's mad.
It was a mistake the American people get to see this footage of the Capitol Police helping these people.
He says it's completely at variance with what the police had said.
Maybe the police were lying because if you really want to believe the insurrection narrative, they were in on it.
That's what AOC thinks.
kash patel
Whoa.
tim pool
Inside job.
I tweeted J6 was an inside job and the left got real mad at me, but pick one.
kash patel
Did you get kicked off Twitter?
tim pool
No, but maybe, maybe, look, I'll say this to liberals, the Democrats, you got to pick one.
Either the police let these people in and there was no insurrection or the Capitol police were a part of the insurrection and were in on it the whole time.
kash patel
Can I just tell you one thing that people might get ticked off at?
I'm glad that the videotape footage is getting out there, but I don't think it's the consequential piece of evidence that we need to see right now from the FBI to DOJ to answer the question you posed.
tim pool
You mean THE consequential?
Or you don't think it's consequential at all?
kash patel
To answer THE consequential question of whether or not that you just posed.
I think, as a former federal prosecutor and a public defender who defended a lot of these types of cases, What you need to show is whether or not the FBI and government agents were using undercover operatives and informants on the day of January 6th.
Because if you can show that, you know they've been out... Hang on.
But the paperwork shows, having run informants, that's a six-month build-up.
Minimum.
Right.
Minimum.
It's not like they just dropped them into the Proud Boys and said, hey, don't disrupt, please.
Once you prove that, then you defeat the insurrection narrative with the FBI's own documentation.
Forget what the videotape shows.
tim pool
Just for people who can't see what's going on in the room, the reason why Cash just said, hang on, or whatever, is because I started smirking and rolling my eyes, and what I meant to convey with that is, come on, we know they were involved.
kash patel
I totally agree.
tim pool
I'm not saying I know definitively, what I'm saying is a reasonable suspicion is that there were agents, there's a video showing a guy with an earpiece pulling people into the building, alright?
You combine that with the evidence of rape and it looks like you have a preponderance of evidence suggesting there may have been federal law enforcement involved in making that thing happen.
kash patel
I'll get you beyond a reasonable doubt.
Two pieces of information.
Ray Epps was on FBI's Most Wanted list one day, and the next day he was off of the FBI's Most Wanted list.
There are only two ways that happens.
You die, or you're informant.
Put that aside.
Under congressional testimony, Jill Sanborn, who I used to work with, the head of the FBI Counterintelligence Division, in charge of all these investigations, testified under oath when Senator Cruz asked her Flat out, were there federal agents involved with January 6th?
And she said, quote, Senator, I can't answer that at this time.
If the answer was definitively no, having been a DOJ FBI guy myself, she would have gone there and said, nope, absolutely not.
The reason she said I can't answer that is because of the same stonewalling they gave us during RestorGate with Christopher Steele, Halpern, and everybody else.
It's the same narrative, and I'm telling you they were there.
tim pool
So you're saying that she said I can't answer that because the answer is yes, and that would compromise whatever their operation was.
Exactly.
I mean, what's the argument they make that she just didn't know and she didn't want to say yes or no definitively?
kash patel
There is no way the head of the FBI counterintelligence division, the number three ranking person at the FBI who is in charge of the January 6th investigations did not know the answer to that.
It is not possible.
tim pool
Sounds like the answer is yes.
Matt Gaetz came out over a year ago saying that there was, I think that there was evidence of federal involvement, I believe.
kash patel
Here's the other thing.
Just follow the money.
Everybody wants to know about all the spy craft and all the cool stuff.
You know what the FBI has to do to these informants?
Pay them.
You know what that requires?
A bank.
Go find out.
It's what we did with Steele, right?
And I got tortured for it.
I went to Paul Ryan and said, give me this one subpoena.
And if I'm wrong, you can fire me.
And he basically tried to fire me anyway.
unidentified
Wow.
kash patel
But then I went in and got the FBI records and the bank that paid him.
And then the floodgates opened.
Game over.
They said, there's no way we used informants to investigate the Pfizer and Donald Trump and all this crap.
Well, if they did it then, are you telling me they really didn't do it now?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Maybe they pay with crypto.
kash patel
Ooh.
Maybe.
tim pool
That's true.
And also, I want to say, especially right now, if you Google search this story, the media response is hilarious.
kash patel
What's it saying?
tim pool
Oh, just every single story is like, they're lying about what Tucker Carlson said.
One of the first things Tucker Carlson says in this report is, we've all seen the violence.
And he shows video of the violence.
kash patel
Oh, I see.
tim pool
They've shown us this over and over again.
What they're not telling you is that there was another portion with a permanent peaceful rally that were let in by police, and that's not a part of their narrative.
What they're doing now is they're claiming that Tucker only said it was peaceful because they project, they claim that the right does what they, in fact, are doing all the time.
It's remarkable that if you're paying attention to news, if you are a discerning individual, like most people watching this show, you can see it happening.
Like UkraineGate, for instance.
Joe Biden is on camera, engaging in a quid pro, admitting to a quid pro quo,
unless you do what I demand, I will withhold federally guaranteed loans to your country,
which he has no authority to do. And then when Donald Trump tries to investigate it,
they accuse him of doing literally the same thing they were caught doing. So in this instance,
Tucker Carlson comes out and says, let me be nuanced.
Yeah, there was violence, those people are committing vandalism, they're attacking cops, they'll be prosecuted.
These people were peaceful and the Democrats lied about it.
So what do the Democrats and the media, corporate press do?
They lie and claim, Tucker's only telling you it was peaceful.
kash patel
And here's how you solve that.
tim pool
Yeah, well, how do you solve it?
kash patel
Put it all out for everybody.
tim pool
Yeah, the problem is, I wonder if it's a question of the I don't know, the intellectual capabilities of the people between, you know, political parties or whatever.
I wonder if the divide in politics are perspicacious individuals and cogs, zombies, NPCs.
kash patel
You mean in putting this out?
I mean the decision to put this out rests with the... No, no, I mean in terms of the left and the right.
tim pool
Is the left predominantly followers and the right is predominantly discerning individuals?
kash patel
I don't know the answer to that.
I think you just gotta play the videotape and put it all out there and let the online sleuths do what they do, which is investigate it.
tim pool
But you take a look at what the response from the corporate press is, it's lying.
kash patel
No, I'm not disagreeing with you, but that's not new.
tim pool
Well, sure, sure.
What I mean to say is, are there people who just lack the capabilities to watch the video you put out?
Or will their demoralized brains not allow them to process that information, as per Yuri Bezmenov?
kash patel
I think it's a combination of the two.
I think after six or seven years of this, some people just don't have the capacity to process that something like that could happen.
I think a lot of other people will quietly, in their little groups, say, okay, we know that that happened, but when we go to the microphones, we have to say X. Yeah.
ian crossland
How much of this 44,000 hours do you think is deepfaked?
kash patel
I think, look, here's how the security footage works, right?
In the Capitol, having worked there.
A lot of it is just going to be dead time.
Like empty rooms showing office furniture.
Probably half of it, to be honest with you.
So now we're down to like 21,000 hours of footage.
Still a ton of footage, right?
But that's, I think 17 hours of footage, 17,000 hours of footage, 1,700 days of footage.
So just to put in perspective on how much it takes to digest all that.
ian crossland
And I guess AI, they're able to use AI to split out all the footage of non-motion, so they can just discard that.
I'm concerned that it's going to deepfake the Q shaman, not him, obviously he's a little too public, but deepfake people blowing things up or destroying things when they weren't.
I mean, obviously that's malicious as hell, but I can, hey, don't count it out.
You know, we live in the United States.
They're capable of anything.
kash patel
The one thing the left and some of the media, and I hate to say they had a piece of it right, But the one thing they are saying, which I have to agree with, is that there are portions of some of the people that we're saying were totally innocent where there's actually videotape of them doing something illegal, like trespassing per the criminal statutes or interfering with police officers.
So that's going to be the problem that if you do person by person, like you do whatever this guy's name is, I don't think Tucker should have started with that guy.
He should have picked some guy that was straight up innocent, looked at all the videotape on that one guy, found out he was charged with something he should have never been charged with, and then started with him.
This guy is just too divisive of a character to do that with, because I'm sure the left's going to come back and say, hey, check out this video, and I don't know if this is true, but check out this video of him, you know, kicking a cop in the shit or something.
tim pool
I don't think there's anything of that.
I think the only footage they ever showed is him just walking through and yelling the bullhorn.
But it's the iconography.
The weird hat thing that he's wearing, the face paint.
That's why they targeted him.
phil labonte
I think you're onto something with that.
I think the iconography of that day, they really, really want the memes to be that the at least for the left, they wanted the memes to be that it
was a violent, you know, serious thing.
Anytime I talk about it, it's not odd that I get, you know, pictures of that miniature
noose that they put up, the miniature gallows, the... it wasn't even full size, but people
on the left still think that that gallows was real and that was a real threat and stuff. So
I think you're... I think the meme thing is totally right.
ian crossland
Yeah, I just looked Jacob Chansley up, just searched for him on Brave, and three of the top ten photos are him screaming.
That's the image I think a lot of people are looking for, is him going, Nah, you know, if you scream, you're... I think if they're trespassing, like non-violent offenses, they've served time.
That's time served.
Get them out.
Immediately get them out.
tim pool
If they showed a picture of, like, some 50-year-old dude with a big beer belly holding a little American flag and wiggling it.
ian crossland
Holding his baby in his arms or something.
tim pool
Well, I don't know if he had babies with him, but there's like some big fat guy just, like, waving an American flag.
It doesn't have that same kind of vibe of some dude with a crazy hair being like, ah!
ian crossland
Did anybody take kids in that day?
kash patel
I don't know the answer to that.
tim pool
I don't think so.
Probably, though.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised.
A lot of these people were at a peaceful rally on the other side of the building that had a permit to be there, and the police opened the doors and let them in, and Alex Jones is yelling, stop, don't do it, don't go in the building.
ian crossland
If they're obsessed with blaming innocent people for crime, they're gonna lose.
It's gonna lose.
It's not sustainable.
tim pool
Why do you say that?
I'm not so convinced.
ian crossland
Because the data's coming out.
It's becoming apparent.
People are making fun of them on the news.
phil labonte
But the people on the left are doubling down and saying that Tucker's lying, that it's wrong, blah blah blah, and the average normie that doesn't watch a lot of this stuff that has maybe, you know, an hour a week that they can commit to actually paying attention to what's going on in politics, they're still going to get their news from MSNBC or CNN or whatever, and so I don't know that it's guaranteed that just because this stuff comes out, your average person that is, you know, a normie, is going to be significantly swayed.
Now, I hope that I'm wrong, but I don't see any real reason to believe that this information Is really new.
You know, I mean, it's like, these are things that people thought and assume before.
I don't think that just because there's confirmation on video, I don't think that your average soccer mom in Southern Connecticut is like, oh man, should have won.
ian crossland
I'm talking about, I will support their investigation.
If they let the innocent people go, if there are people blowing, breaking windows and kicking cops, I want them to serve justice for that.
So they want, I'll, I'll join them and their, their crusade.
If they let the innocent people go.
tim pool
This is why I was saying just a moment ago that I wonder if what really does separate the political factions in this country is cognitive faculties.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, McConnell was talking so slow in that video earlier.
tim pool
It's not just that.
ian crossland
That's like normalized.
tim pool
It's, it's, you have people who believe literally anything the media says, and no matter how many times they're proven to be liars and wrong, they just keep doubling down.
And I'm like, that's a certain level of zombism.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That, you know, a lack of higher brain function.
You know, like, if someone comes to you and says, do you want to stick a gum?
And then you're like, well, yes, I certainly would.
And when you pull it out, it snaps your finger with those little prank traps they have.
And you go, well, that kind of hurt.
That was a dick move.
Then you go, here, take another piece of gum.
And then you go, I don't mind if I do.
Snap.
unidentified
Ow!
tim pool
Man, stop doing that.
Well, do you want gum for real time?
Yes, I certainly do.
Like, at a certain point, it's like, what's wrong with you?
He's just gonna snap your finger again!
kash patel
You're not wrong.
There's still people who think that we went into Iraq because there were WMDs there.
That's literally never going to change for a certain faction of the populace, even though years later it was proven definitively that that wasn't even the case.
It wasn't even remotely the case.
tim pool
There are people that still believe Donald Trump defended white nationalists and neo-Nazis.
ian crossland
I think it was a Mark Twain quote.
kash patel
He's also a Russian asset.
Don't forget that.
tim pool
There was a guy who went on MSNBC and argued that Donald Trump was a Soviet asset.
Like the Soviet Union doesn't even exist anymore!
phil labonte
That was my favorite.
tim pool
Was it Jonathan Chait?
I enjoyed that.
To be fair, what he said was that Trump may have been an asset of the Russians since the 80s, which would imply he was an asset of the Soviet Union.
In the 80s.
In the 80s.
And after the Soviet Union collapsed, The infrastructure of Russia maintained him as an asset for their country.
phil labonte
That's my favorite fan fiction.
unidentified
That is my favorite comic book story.
tim pool
Can we do like, we need a skit where Donald Trump is like talking, and then someone accidentally says the activation code, and then Trump starts speaking Russian.
phil labonte
Yeah, like someone that can do... Can you imagine Donald Trump doing the... Someone that can do a really good Donald Trump imitation, but speaking purely in Russian.
unidentified
That would be... No one's done that!
kash patel
Trump in Russian?
phil labonte
Yeah, in Russian, but doing the...
kash patel
Does what Dunya comrades.
ian crossland
Mark Twain has this quote, it says it's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled.
Yeah.
He was a smart dude.
phil labonte
There's a risk that all this information doesn't convince people, it just makes them say, well, I want to pay less attention.
You know?
ian crossland
If you make them feel stupid, they'll withdraw.
So you gotta do it in a way that kind of empowers people, rather than be like, you were so wrong, look!
phil labonte
Totally.
ian crossland
No, be like, look how much better off we are now that the truth is apparent.
tim pool
Let me jump to this story from the Daily Mail.
Quote, it rips our wombs wide open.
Family of Capitol Cop Brian Sicknick, who died the day after January 6th, slammed Fox News and Tucker Carlson for using new footage to downplay Riott and claim his death was not linked.
In the video footage, I don't know if they have it in the article, Actually, it looks like they do.
Let me... We'll mute this real quick and then we'll play it.
You can see Officer Sicknick is walking around, seemingly uninjured, doing his job.
Telling people to move.
He walks over and he grabs some sign of some sort and then puts it behind a statue.
So he's going about his business.
They initially claimed, the New York Times, that... What did they say?
That he got killed with a firetruck?
kash patel
Fire extinguisher.
tim pool
Hit him in the head?
kash patel
Hit him in the head.
tim pool
That article is still up right now, in fact.
unidentified
Let me see if I can... Let me see if I can find it.
tim pool
New York Times.
I had the archive.
kash patel
There we go.
I saw it today.
tim pool
Here it is.
There it is.
He dreamed of being a police officer, then was killed by a pro-Trump mob.
Yo!
This is definitively proven false!
How is this article still up right now?
phil labonte
Because they're lying liars.
tim pool
Look at this.
They have an update.
That's all they have.
New information has emerged regarding the death of Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick that questions the initial cause of his death provided by officials.
So how about you take down your fake news?
ian crossland
Well, or leave it up, but make it very apparent that this is an old article that's been changed in the title.
That update should be in the title.
kash patel
Well, you guys are asking for way too much.
That is unrealistic.
That is never going to happen.
It stopped happening seven years ago.
ian crossland
This is like libelous, slander, felonious.
tim pool
Like, from back in the day, you'd get- But a mob can't sue you, right?
They have defamed a pro-Trump mob as they've described it.
kash patel
Right, they haven't identified anyone, singularly.
ian crossland
They're like, we didn't burn anyone, we just fed the fire.
tim pool
So that's, that's, for all you who are wondering how to defame people and get away with it, apparently, just apply them to a group.
So say, like, a group of Phil LeBontes was seen punching a dog or something, and it's like, well, I didn't say he did it!
I said a group of him was doing it!
phil labonte
Yep.
Then my pronouns are they, apparently.
tim pool
They!
So I guess, here's the thing, man.
You're gonna, no matter what happens, no matter what proof, it's as Yuri Bezmenov said, you can show the demoralized person proof and they won't accept it.
Ian just mentioned, I think you were mentioning, it's easier to fool the person?
ian crossland
Yeah, that was a Mark Twain quote, it's easier to fool someone than to convince them that they've been fooled.
tim pool
The reason is, fooling someone is a simple task of putting your trust in the wrong person.
But telling someone they've been fooled is to insult their ego.
ian crossland
And it makes them recalibrate their entire worldview on the spot.
It's a challenge.
tim pool
Depending on how much, you know, depending on how much they have to recalibrate their worldview.
If someone has a deeply, a deep conviction from when they were like a kid, Ripping that out of him at 30 years old is gonna be nigh impossible.
kash patel
100%.
tim pool
But if somebody like walks down the street and sees a dog do a backflip, and then you show them proof that it was actually an illusion by a magician with a mirror, they're more likely to be like, oh wow, I didn't realize that.
ian crossland
And like, if they've told 50 of their friends that a dog did a backflip, they're gonna be less like, they're gonna be more resistant to realizing they're a liar.
kash patel
It's not just a one-off anymore.
You're right.
It's probably more than seven years ago.
But this has been an ongoing campaign of disinformation by the mainstream media.
I mean, go back, if you go Russiagate, Ukraine Impeachment 1-2, Jan 6, The CCP balloon to bring it full speed, and then you talk Nord Stream 2.
All of these people have been lied to and lying in the media consistently, even though they were proven wrong.
COVID origins.
I was the Deputy Director of National Intelligence when we briefed Trump where the virus came from, and you know what he did the next day?
Banned travel from China.
We were all racist.
Four years later?
Hey, do you guys know where the COVID virus came from?
The Wuhan lab.
No.
S.
But all those people were lied to by the New York Times for years and years and years think it was somehow Trump engineered or related to his, you know, ineptitude that we have COVID on planet Earth.
And this is a carryover that they are able to just forget and say, okay, what's the next, what's the next iteration of fake news we can come up with?
So just speed through what we were duped on.
tim pool
So we have a couple different types of people in this scenario.
People on the left who know it's all a lie, but are lying themselves because they feel they're on the right side of history, or they don't want to fight, or for whatever reason.
And the people who genuinely are just not smart enough to ever see through this, and they just keep going on and believing it.
kash patel
Which two things bigger?
tim pool
Which, like, faction?
Ignorant people.
I shouldn't be so cruel, I should say...
incapable of discerning.
kash patel
Is it a lot?
Is it like 60-40?
tim pool
I don't know, man.
You know, there was, uh, who's that comedian, uh, Bill Burr?
Is that his name?
ian crossland
Bill Burr, bald dude.
tim pool
Yeah, he was on Rogan and he was like, look, Joe, I don't, I don't, I don't know.
I just turn on the TV.
They say, put on a mask.
I put a mask on.
I just, two weeks later, take it off.
I'll take it off.
Like, that's the kind of person that's voting Democrat.
They say, I don't know.
I don't want to know.
I'll turn the TV on and do whatever they tell me to do at the time.
So maybe I should add a third person.
That's probably the people who know they're being lied to.
Don't care.
Just tell me what to say and I'll say it because I want to go eat a pizza at the bar with my buddies or watch football or something.
phil labonte
You're right, but I don't...
I feel like most people are so busy with the real important things in their lives.
We do it here.
We talk about how families are important.
We talk about how, you know, go get away from the cities, go have chickens, all that, all the stuff, you know, meet real people and be active in the real world.
One of the things that comes with that is the responsibilities.
And that means that you don't have the time to sit there and be Up to date on it, and it's a balance, I guess is what I'm saying, you know?
tim pool
Yes, but Joe Biden gets elected, and you look at the charts, and I understand we're in the know.
The economic charts show that wages drop dramatically right after the time Biden starts signing these executive orders, and the, what is it, wages drop and inflation skyrockets.
This means there should be a real-world translation that we all know about that should be impacting regular people to realize things are bad.
That is, under Donald Trump, or before the pandemic, the best numbers of our lives, record low unemployment, the economy was booming, it was tremendous, everybody agrees.
Then Joe Biden gets elected and you can't get eggs.
No eggs anywhere.
Now, I don't expect the average person to be like, let me go on my phone and look up why there's no eggs.
I expect them to go to the store and be like, yo, where are the eggs at?
Something's wrong.
kash patel
Or why do they cost so much when I can't find them?
tim pool
Or why are they six bucks?
Like, what's going on?
ian crossland
Something's crazy.
That's the lie.
tim pool
But here's the issue.
These people, like, do they not remember 2019?
Do they not remember making tons of money and having cheap goods and going out and partying?
Best numbers of our lives?
They forgot it all.
It hasn't. And now with all with everything being bad, you mentioned like we're in the know,
but certainly there should be economic dissent. There should be families being like,
why is my rent so high? Why are my insurance rates going up?
phil labonte
The it hasn't hit him yet, though, because there was there was so the inflation is still going up.
Just the other was yesterday the Fed was talking about.
They're not going to they're probably not going to lower the interest rates the next time they get
together. They're probably going to raise them again because inflation is not going down as fast as
they want. A lot of the reason why people aren't up in arms is because the squeeze hasn't hit enough
people and it hasn't reached that critical mass. Not saying it's not coming. It's just that
it hasn't really got to them.
Yeah, I really don't think that the average person has the real like The real pinch where it's like, oh, man, I really need to stop complaining about this and really get up and go do something or else I'm not going to be able to feed myself or whatever.
I don't think that that critical mass has hit yet.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's the frog in the pot boiling scenario.
And they I have heard this law security false insecurity where they say it's Putin's war that's causing the inflation.
So I think people think.
If we can just weather this inflation, once the war ends, it'll go back to normal.
unidentified
It'll be over.
phil labonte
Yeah, I mean, there's probably still people that believe it's transitory.
That's one of the things that the government had been telling the population for a year leading up to inflation getting really, really bad.
Oh, it's transitory.
Don't worry about it.
It's only going to be short term.
Every time that inflation was brought up for the past two years, or past year, whatever, The administration has downplayed it and done its best to probably responsibly keep the population from freaking out.
But at some point, they have to acknowledge, look, it's going to be it's not going to be as easy as it's not going to be a soft landing.
We're going to probably go into a recession, probably a serious one.
And until that happens, I don't think people are going to be like, oh, you know, things actually are bad.
ian crossland
What do you think from a national security perspective about inflation?
Does that concern you?
Is it one of your big bells?
kash patel
It is.
One of the non-sexy items from a national security perspective is inflation.
If everything costs more, then the defense of this country costs more.
But the problem that we have is We just print money to the defense industrial complex.
And I'm not saying, as a former chief of staff at DOD who paved the way for one of those budgets and wrote a lot of those contracts and funded them, I called the five big CEOs of Boeing, Northrop Grumman, and all those major producers that we have, McDonnell Douglas, and I said, OK, look, a lot of the stuff you make Awesome.
Provides an invaluable asset to defend this country.
And a ton of the stuff you make doesn't.
I've literally seen you light billions of dollars on fire.
So how do we strike that balance, right?
And that's the problem when people don't know what inflation is, and then they just say, oh, it's a trillion dollars.
Who cares if it's 1.1 trillion?
No one actually really cares.
And the people that care the least are the defense industrial complex, because they take the check home no matter what.
Win or fail.
And to me, that is something that whoever's in the next administration, if you don't agree to take on those monsters in the defense industrial complex, it doesn't matter what the inflation numbers are, we are going to print money into a never-ending cycle.
ian crossland
I also see inflation affecting domestic security in that you get roving bands of hungry dudes in masks that go into restaurants and kick tables over and grab stuff.
That's security.
We need individual, local security as well, which is a form of national security.
The groundswell.
phil labonte
That concerns me.
You saw the video?
ian crossland
Yeah, another one today of like 14 dudes in masks just wrecking a place in New York and not opening fire for some reason because it's New York City.
phil labonte
What is this story?
Let me pull it up.
It was just a video that I saw and obviously Ian saw it.
There was just a bunch of dudes just ransacking this establishment.
It looked like it was Asian owned.
I don't know.
I don't know any details.
I only saw the video.
I don't know who it was or whatever.
I'm not pointing fingers or whatever.
tim pool
But that's not it.
But how do I search for it?
phil labonte
I don't know.
I don't remember who it was that posted it, but it was another, you know, essentially just another video of people just ransacking.
ian crossland
Andy Ngo might have it.
Lawlessness in New York City.
I typed in mob to search mob and Andy Ngo popped up first.
kash patel
A real life version of The Last of Us?
phil labonte
Maybe.
tim pool
People's brains being routed by fungus.
ian crossland
Andy Ngo's been going hard on the Georgia terror attack.
phil labonte
I mean, that's there's probably a good reason for that.
ian crossland
It's so weird how I find myself becoming more conservative just being in the presence of people that are more conservative.
tim pool
Well, let's let's let's let's pull up this story here from the Daily Mail.
phil labonte
It's because of the left.
tim pool
All these stories.
ian crossland
They have an act of nuts.
kash patel
The Daily Mail is where it's at.
tim pool
I mean, they've written up every single thing and they've got photos of everything when it comes to this story.
Very few outlets are covering the Antifa terror attack.
Poor little rich boy smirking suspected Antifa goon who helped attack Georgia cop city is son of NYC plastic furniture tycoon.
He and his 22 cronies appear in court on terror charges.
So not only are these people, many of them from out of state, some international, they're rich kids.
phil labonte
Yeah.
kash patel
Yeah.
But here's... Go ahead.
tim pool
No, no, I was going to... Yeah, go ahead.
kash patel
I was going to say, this is another example of... It ties into the earlier conversation.
I didn't comment on it.
The biggest problem I have right now is a two-tier system of justice.
And that's the biggest argument we need to advance.
Not the QAnon, Shanon, whatever that guy's name is, or certain videos depicting X, Y, and Z, but use it as a vehicle to say, look at how differently you can be treated by the justice system in the United States of America, depending on your political orientation.
Go back to the Antifa riots of, not last summer, but the summer before that.
Two liberal attorneys White shoe lawyers firebombed a New York City police car and burned it to the ground with Molotov cocktails.
tim pool
And the judge called him a good guy.
kash patel
Good guy!
So they were charged, obviously, rightfully so, as a federal prosecutor, a federal public defender who defended people who did that stuff.
That's a 10-year minimum mandatory federal prison sentence.
You know what this DOJ did?
Waived the charges, allowed the judge to go under the midman, and gave him basically probation.
That's a two-tier system of justice.
Mark my words, it's going to happen with this.
tim pool
So, Ian just a moment ago said that he's finding himself becoming more conservative, but I think the reality is, in today, today's politics, conservative just means knowledgeable.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
Because, because like— I'm not more pro-life or any— I mean, not really.
tim pool
The opinions of everyone in this room are not in complete alignment on core policy issues.
They're in alignment on the facts.
That's it!
ian crossland
Yeah, it's the mobs attacking people that I... It's kind of my main issue.
I don't like that stuff.
I found that video, if you guys want to pull it up, from Yaelan... I typed attack restaurant in Twitter and it popped up.
tim pool
Yaelan?
How do you pronounce it?
I mean, how do you spell that?
ian crossland
The Twitter account is Y-C-I-N-N-E-W.
tim pool
Oh, I found it.
ian crossland
Yeah.
phil labonte
Tim, to your point, we live in the logic... We'll pull that up in a second.
We live in the logic of Herbert Marcuse.
I've said this a bunch.
We live in the logic of the left is okay to do whatever they want, and the right must be censored, even at the level of thought.
tim pool
And it's because people are scared of the left.
phil labonte
Yeah.
ian crossland
Cash, I fully agree with you, but how do we do that?
I mean, I guess since the dawn of time, I imagine the king's uh, you know, enforcement arm doesn't prosecute him because
and as a leader, when are you gonna be like, I'm under arrest, you know, like no leader,
whatever that I've ever heard of would do that to themself. Um, but what, how would we do that?
How would we prevent multiple tiers of justice from coexisting in a system?
kash patel
Okay, it's a massive overhaul.
One, you have to control the executive branch of government and install an attorney general in the layers below him to eliminate prosecuting people based on religious orientation or political orientation, like the rescinded FBI memo from last week that showed that the FBI was literally targeting Catholics.
In order to do that, you have to wipe out the FBI.
I've always said this, the best way And wipe out the FBI, I mean the FBI headquarters component, right?
The biggest problem in government is these monster headquarters components.
The FBI headquarters building is the size of a New York City square block.
What I would do if I was FBI director in the next Trump administration is close down the Hoover building and make it a free monumental museum for the deep state on how not to run government and allow the world to go there for free.
I'm not saying you don't need 50 people running the FBI, you do.
But you take the 10,000 agents that are stuck there and their lawyers and you send them into the field to investigate child sex crimes, bank robberies, cartels, fraud, and you do the same thing with the DOJ headquarters building, which is just across the street and just as big.
Why do you need 5,000 lawyers in one place telling you how to not do something or how to politically motivate your bosses and say and get them something that they just want?
I worked with all these guys.
All these guys that are producing these charges at DOJ for Jan 6th are literally people that
I used to work with who have sent me subpoenas for January 6th.
Literally sent me to the grand jury asking me about why I helped participate in X, Y,
and Z.
And I'm like, dude, I was literally there with you prosecuting terrorists and you're
doing this because I've been labeled a Trump guy and you need to make yourself look good
in front of your boss.
You need to wipe out all of this personnel.
ian crossland
Charlie Kirk said the similar thing about the RNC decentralizing it, getting that big
central because what they do is they have lunch meetings there, then they go over on
K Street and they hang out and they all have a little cabal that forms because it's so
But if they were far away from each other, then it becomes a challenge to collaborate.
kash patel
But you also make people do, like, look, 98% of the guys I served with at the FBI want to go out and chase bank robbers, and chase down terrorists, and take out people who are harming children, and reduce the drug trade.
You know, there's a couple of bad actors, and you've got to eliminate them.
phil labonte
The problem is they want to go after terrorists, but then the upper level, like the top floor, is telling them that American, like, Catholics are terrorists.
kash patel
And that's why you have to wipe out both.
You have to decentralize, wipe out not just the upper level, it's not just the AG and the director.
phil labonte
Abolish, demolish the building.
kash patel
You gotta do the undersecretaries, the chiefs, and everything else.
tim pool
If these people are willing to go along with it, they're part of the problem.
kash patel
I totally agree, and they shouldn't be in there.
I mean, this is the genesis of my book, Government Gangsters, which this government won't let me release right now.
But the whole point is, you can go out there, whether it's DOD, NSA, CIA, FBI, and I take flack for this all the time, and I'm like, yeah, it is not an easy fix.
But there used to be a day when the FBI was just the FBI, and DOJ was just the DOJ, prosecuting based on facts and law, and not politics and religion.
tim pool
I saw a video this morning.
So, uh, I wake up, and I—what was it?
I think I got a clip sent to me by Seamus of Freedom Tunes, and it's a funny, fouchy cartoon.
And then as soon as the cartoon ends, it rolls over to another video of police pulling over a 19-year-old football player and falsely charging him with a DUI.
And you can even see, after he blows the breathalyzer and the body camera footage, it says 0-0-0.
Why did they do that?
Why did this 19-year-old kid who was watching a football game, driving home, who did nothing wrong other than he had a headlight out, so he had his brights on.
It's like a normal thing that happens to people.
Your lights go out, so you're like, well, I'll turn the brights on.
Why charge him with a DUI?
And so the problem is, I see things like this, that a police officer falsely accuses a teenager of a DUI, but And, and, the police will run in terror like pathetic whiny crybabies when Antifa sets fire to their building in Minnesota.
They won't arrest these people.
We can watch a video of 150 Antifa firebombing a government facility.
And, of course, there were 20 to 30 people getting arrested.
But when you look at Portland, the cops just sit there and go, well, you know, doji, but we see Why is it that we have too many instances of police giving up BS tickets and making false arrests, but we don't have too many videos of cops just arresting Antifa?
ian crossland
Well now, at least this thing in Georgia.
I love this situation.
I hate it because it was a horrible thing to firebomb a group of people, to firebomb a police facility, but it was great that they responded not by murdering people or not by killing.
unidentified
Good save.
tim pool
I love you, Ian.
ian crossland
Issuing 35 arrests and charging 23 people like that's the way the COVID hysteria is over for the most part now It's like in fact I think in one city the governor or the mayor Adams in New York was saying take your masks off before you go shopping I don't want you going in there threatening thuggery.
tim pool
He said stores have to tell people to remove their masks.
kash patel
Isn't that the irony of ironies?
tim pool
The mayor of New York City is saying take your mask off I have to wonder, Cash, if everything I said before about people being too stupid, it's in fact that the leadership is as stupid, right?
unidentified
Of course!
kash patel
The leadership is... No, no.
The leadership is evil.
They're not stupid.
There's a distinction.
I've worked with all of these people.
They are pure evil.
The only thing the Pelosi's and the Schumer's and the like care about in the world is being glorified in the media.
That's it.
What's my next headline?
What's my next payday?
How do I scam the stock market with my husband?
I love that bit.
You mentioned term limits earlier, Phil, before the show got started.
Do you think that would solve or at least disincentivize evil?
be the next term, I want to be the next him. They are evil.
That's the problem. The people that follow them? Yes, stupid.
ian crossland
I love that bit. You mentioned term limits earlier, Phil, before the show got started.
Do you think that would solve or at least disincentivize evil?
phil labonte
Term limits on the bureaucracy. I think the bureaucracy is the problem.
I think that the elected officials are self-centered and self-serving, and that they mostly do things to benefit themselves.
I think that the bureaucracy is where the real power is, and I think the bureaucracy is the biggest problem in the United States.
ian crossland
Like the head of the FBI, Trump limits?
phil labonte
Any of the alphabet soup agencies.
So your EPA, your FBI, your CIA, your ATF, your FDA, your all of them.
The reason is because they make law, they make rules that have the effect of law
with no repercussions from the population, from the voting populace.
So we talk about how it's important that we're democracy, but the people that make the rules
that you live by on a day-to-day basis are all...
Almost always unelected.
So the government will decide, we want to pass this law, and then whatever agency that has jurisdiction over the law or whatever the topic is, they will make the actual rules and the details to implement the law.
So that's a whole layer of legislation creation that the population basically doesn't have any access to.
Has no ability to punish them if they do something wrong.
kash patel
So what you're talking about is like the beef patty of your burger.
That's the beef patty of the deep state.
I agree.
That's a novel concept that a lot of people aren't talking about.
The FBI directors and CIA directors all have term limits.
They're gone with every administration, right?
Some should be shorter.
That's a different argument.
But these people that you're talking about are the ones that sit there and say, I don't care who the leader is.
I'm going to do what we want to do, what the political radical left agenda is, because it's the popular one.
And they stay and convince the leadership to do it and goose it through the system.
That was one of the biggest problems in the Trump administration.
phil labonte
And one more thing to your point is it's not just I understand and I agree that there are evil people but there are there's also something that Tim talks about the banality of evil.
There are people that just go to work and want to go and make sure that they can go on vacation with their wife.
And they want to just make sure their kids can go to school and get a good education and they come out of school and they can get good jobs for themselves and they just want to live a normal life so what they want to do is go to work and not make waves.
And you know what makes waves?
Voting for Donald Trump.
Or doing stuff like that, you know?
tim pool
I want to jump to this next story.
But before I do, somebody super chatted about investing in culture.
And that I've talked earlier about how we have to build culture.
And there's an idea we've been thinking about.
Someone floated to us a while ago about giving a grant or gift of a large sum of money to a member once per month.
And I thought, you know what, that's actually a really good idea.
So we're going to do it on a whim.
kash patel
To do what with though?
tim pool
Like, for a creative cultural endeavor.
kash patel
Oh, cool.
tim pool
So, on a whim, just literally right now, as I watch the Super Chat go by, I am announcing, first, we gotta check the legalities of this, but once per month, if legal and possible, we will select somebody to receive a $10,000 grant towards a cultural endeavor.
So that means if you're working on a comic, a podcast, a show, music, or something, and you're a member of the site, then we're going to work out a way that you can submit.
And I imagine we won't even get that many submissions.
There could only be like 10 people who end up saying like, hey, I'm putting a comic together.
And it's like, they get the 10K every month because they're working on it.
But that's a good point.
I want to see people build culture, and that's more important than anything I could ever buy.
So the first thing I got to do is talk to the lawyer and the accountant.
Because you might not be able to.
They might consider it like a sweepstakes or something.
kash patel
Oh, I get it.
It took me a year to stand up the foundation because of obstacles like that.
And then giving away money.
This is hilarious.
Giving away money is the hardest thing I've ever done.
ian crossland
Why?
tim pool
It's impossible.
Because they will hunt you down.
They're concerned about tax evasion and stuff like that.
They might argue that if we do a thing where you have to be a member in order to receive money, then you're in a raffle or something.
So we might make it so that you don't have to be a member at all, but then it kind of feels unfair to people who are supporting us to not be, you know.
So we'll take a look into it, but we will start probably this month, once a month, taking submissions.
We'll probably create an email address for it.
And you can submit like, hey, I want to make this thing.
And then once per month, we'll pick somebody and say, this is our winner for the month.
Send you a check for 10k to start working on that and the stipulation is we trust you.
kash patel
Please do it If you don't well have fun with the money you figure that out and that Thanksgiving and Christmas time.
I'll match your pledge.
tim pool
That'll be cool Yeah, I just we in order to win a culture where you need culture, right?
I was talking about this because band camp took our music down.
kash patel
I saw that Yeah, well, I don't know.
tim pool
We don't know why they haven't they didn't give me a reason Nope, just gone.
And so but you play a certain song recently or like just out of the blue like I One day we went to check, we're putting up a new song that we just filmed a music video for in a few weeks, and it's gone.
Three songs, all three charted on Billboard, and they're just wiped off of their website.
And so that's why I said, the real thing that threatens the woke and the establishment is culture.
Because you can't win a culture war if you're not making culture.
We can sit here and complain all day and night, and you can complain as you're getting swirled down the toilet.
But you make something, now you're inspiring young people.
So, fair point.
Someone said, invest, and I say, okay.
All right, let's do it.
Yeah, it's a no-brainer.
Maybe we'll figure out a way to go through the non-profit or something, whatever is the most legal and secure way to do it.
Maybe it'll just be me personally giving someone a gift, I don't know.
We just gotta make sure we do it right.
So I'm not saying, I know for sure we can, because they might come back and be like, no, that violates these laws, or you gotta file these paperwork.
kash patel
You know one way I figured out through the Cash Foundation to do it legally?
We started, this summer we're gonna fund summer camps.
For individuals who want to go to, like, whatever.
Music, art, sports, who can't afford it to, you know, go down the cultural road, expand their horizons, is a way to do it that's easy.
It's not the ultimate solution that you're talking about.
It'd be as expansive as you want it to be.
But I'm sure there's kind of a summer camp to be the next Tim Pool.
Maybe we should create one of those.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The challenge with just giving money away is that there's no guarantee it's going to do anything for anybody.
kash patel
That's true, too.
tim pool
So it may help someone get better equipment and everything, but if they're not making something that functions, you know.
So we'll try and pick the best people.
Maybe if you're working on a board game, you're working on songs or something, like just something that will be fun and expand the culture in the right direction, we'll start investing in that.
phil labonte
What if you and Cash and someone else that can invest do your own version of Shark Tank, but for cultural stuff?
tim pool
I mean, we had the idea of doing a non-profit Shark Tank.
Like, you know, people come in and request donations for their charity.
ian crossland
Let me be the host.
I'll be like the Heidi Klum.
tim pool
Let's do a cultural Shark Tank thing.
ian crossland
Today on Shark Tank.
It'll be my cheap voice.
I'll have that deep voice.
I'll wear a suit.
kash patel
Do you know how many people would watch that?
It'd be hot.
A bazillion people turn that on to be like, forget all the garbage TV, you are actually helping young Americans or just Americans in general advance novel ideas and culture and you're not doing it for profit.
tim pool
Who are some rich people we know who we can rope into this?
kash patel
I got a few.
tim pool
But I think that I'll be down.
I mean, there's a lot of people who are libertarian, moderate, post-liberal or whatever, conservative, who are like, we need to win the culture war.
And so we need to just scattershot.
If we could get a hundred people every month working on cultural endeavors, sooner or later, one of those things is going to hit.
and then when it does you've got culture building in the right direction and
that's something more powerful than what the left can do, not to mention
you're gonna get a lot of young people who are like, look my real opportunity is
gonna be over here, not Hollywood, because Hollywood is elitist and these guys might actually give me the grant I need to
make the comic book I wanted to write.
Well thanks to Super Chatters, I think it's a good idea.
So, okay, we'll do this.
We'll explore the 10K Timcast gift, or whatever it needs to be legally, if we can.
If we can't, I want to make sure I'm careful about how I say this, they may not let us do it.
But if that's the case, then maybe we just do a show that's like Shark Tank, but for cultural endeavors, and then we ask people to come in and pitch us your idea.
I think it would be funny if, for the most part, people come in and just always win.
It's like, we brought him in because we like what you're doing, so like, I'm in, here's money, go make more of this stuff, you know?
phil labonte
Then it's a feel-good show, you know?
tim pool
Yeah, like we act like we're gonna, I don't know if I'm in, but I'm in.
You know, something like that.
But anyway, we'll elaborate maybe closer towards the Super Chat.
I want to go back to the cultural stuff we're talking about and tell you why.
Take a look at this video that Ian just told me to pull up.
It is Yaten Chu says, this video is going viral on WeChat.
Fish Village, a restaurant in College Point, Queens, was ransacked by a gang of masked kids in hoodies.
We've fallen so low that there's no expectation of consequences for this horrific attack on private property.
And, uh, here's the video.
unidentified
And that was the- And that was the plug, yo!
I mean, what the fuck?
kash patel
It's crazy.
tim pool
Just a bunch of people in masks and hoodies.
kash patel
They didn't take anything?
tim pool
They didn't take anything.
They just destroyed all.
That's all they did.
phil labonte
You have no property rights in New York City.
kash patel
Wait, did any of these guys get arrested?
phil labonte
Of course not!
unidentified
Come on.
phil labonte
No.
tim pool
I mean, look, look, look.
I'm assuming they didn't get arrested, but why would they get arrested?
It's New York.
kash patel
True.
True.
I was just, I guess I was still hopeful.
ian crossland
But you got Eric Adams saying, stop wearing masks indoors because of this stuff.
tim pool
Or he's telling businesses to make people remove their masks.
phil labonte
Why would anybody open a business in New York?
It's already gonna cost you, like literally, you probably need at least a million dollars to open a business, I imagine.
And then you're gonna have people ransack it, the cops aren't gonna do anything, if someone attacks you and you defend yourself, you're gonna go to jail.
There is nothing At all!
tim pool
attractive in New York. There's this old trope, an old joke about someone buys a house in an area
and then they go out and they hear a gunshot one day and they panic and they, you know, they look
outside and there's a neighbor standing in the yard and he says he waves them off and they come
outside and, did you hear that? He goes, no, no, don't worry about it. You know, once a week or so
I fire one off to keep the property taxes low.
Like, there's an old joke about that or something.
Like a TV show.
phil labonte
Yeah, I saw.
There's a TikTok about that recently.
kash patel
That's what they're doing?
tim pool
It feels like what's happening in New York, people are fleeing.
Wealthy people are fleeing.
And we already heard from de Blasio during the pandemic.
He was going to buy up these buildings for pennies on the dollar and convert them into government housing.
So is what's happening being allowed to happen so that the property values of New York collapses so the state can seize it all up for pennies on the dollar and then create a communist utopia?
ian crossland
There might be elements of it.
I think it's overwhelmed.
I think that the law enforcement's overwhelmed.
I mean, just a group of, how many are there, 18, 15 people?
Like even, probably half of them are armed.
I don't know, my guess.
phil labonte
The New York City Police Department is like the sixth largest army on earth. 34,000.
34,000 police officers.
They're not outgunned.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, they are.
30,000 versus 17 million.
phil labonte
Well, no, no, no.
I'm talking about against.
Yeah, but that would be that 17 million people were criminals.
They're not like the number of criminals in a city matters because like the people that are committing crime are the people that continuously commit crime.
The reason that crime goes up or has been going up is because they let people that are criminals out of jail to commit more crime.
kash patel
Yeah, so look, I'm a New Yorker and a bunch of my buddies are on the NYPD and I served with them when I was on the Joint Terrorism Task Force.
What they're doing now is they're literally standing there because they're not allowed to go and make these arrests.
They're not allowed to go and do these searches and everybody has body cams and they have to be on at all times and they're not allowed to go do the basic police work, the stop and frisk, and they can't stop people like this because they know The attorneys, the Attorney Generals and the State Attorney General's offices will chuck cases out that they bring like this because it doesn't meet a specific narrative.
It's a compounding effect.
This is why New York City is terrible now.
It's not the New York I grew up in back in the day and people don't want to go there anymore and it's why people are leaving.
They're moving to Florida and Texas and wherever, Idaho, West Virginia.
unidentified
Yeah.
kash patel
You know, I heard that's the best place to be.
tim pool
Yeah, we've got some new friends who are in New York for a while.
They're down in this area now, and so it's close enough to a bunch of airports.
West Virginia itself is still this beautiful mountain country, but if you drive north a couple hours, you're in Pittsburgh.
You drive to the east an hour or so, you're in D.C.
You can go south to Richmond.
So there's urban life.
You know, we can fly people in.
There's opportunity out here, but people are leaving the city, and I have to wonder if it's on purpose.
That's the point.
We talk about how they're not allowed to arrest these people, and that's an interesting question.
Why would that be the case?
What does the city gain by telling police not to arrest and charge these people?
kash patel
Well, look, it's a combination narrative.
It's not a one-off.
The left set out to have an opposite of a law enforcement agenda.
They said, no cash bail.
We are going to let everybody arrested, even for severe felonies, out on the streets.
We are going to let illegal immigrants charged with other crimes, and then we find out we're illegals, we're not going to detain them.
We're going to release them.
When you do all that, And you bring in people to the justice system and you tell your prosecutors, we're not going to charge low-level drug offenses.
We're not going to charge low-level robberies.
It's a compounding effect that basically says to low-level offenders, you're going to get away with this.
And even if you're a medium to serious level offender, there's now a 50-50 chance no one catches you.
And if they do, the charges might get dropped.
So what do criminals do?
Become bigger criminals.
And that New York City, San Francisco, Chicago, Chicago last year, literally had a child under the age of five shot a month.
One child under the age of five shot a month and killed.
That doesn't happen in any other city unless you're in Lori Lightfoot who just got the boot because they said we are not going to take on gang violence.
We are not going to take on gun crimes.
And when you're arrested for one of those you're right back on the street.
We're not doing cash bail.
phil labonte
And there's theory that goes along with why they don't do why they want to not prosecute.
Right.
So to the left People that commit crimes, they're victims of society's circumstances.
So if they're a victim of society's circumstances and they carry out a crime and they victimize someone else, if you punish the person that carried out the crime, you've literally made two victims.
You've double victimized them.
So they victimize the person that they attack or whatever, but they're already a victim of society.
So if society punishes them, they're a victim again.
So society is victimizing them over and over, and it's creating more crime according to the left.
Now, I think that is a load of crap.
But that's the philosophy and the theory behind the idea of no cash bail, let people out of jail if they've committed petty crimes, etc.
So, I mean, whether or not you believe that theory or not, that is the working ideology and why the policies are being implemented the way they are.
kash patel
And the genesis was this farce that they were somehow trying to solve a racial inequity in the criminal justice system by saying, oh, this is unfair to black and brown people.
So we have to do a total 180 on supporting anything law and order.
You know what the hypocrisy of it all is?
Do you want to know the two individuals who have put more black people in prison than any two individuals in American history?
ian crossland
Barack Obama.
kash patel
No, Kamala Harris and Joe Biden.
Kamala Harris, when she was the Attorney General of California, imprisoned more black men than any attorney general in the state of California's history.
Joe Biden implemented, wrote, and drafted and passed the 98 crime bill, which imprisoned more black men for cocaine and crack possession than any crime bill in US history.
unidentified
Was that 98 or 94?
tim pool
98.
unidentified
98, oh.
tim pool
And then, didn't Trump work on criminal justice reform?
kash patel
Actual reform.
tim pool
Actual reform.
That's funny, and he's the racist guy.
kash patel
He's the racist guy.
tim pool
Joe Biden's been in office for 50-some odd years.
kash patel
Also, Trump employed a brown guy, so he's the racist guy.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, well, but, you know, you're the... I'm the token white guy.
Are you Indian?
kash patel
I'm Indian, yeah.
tim pool
The Indian face of white supremacy.
I want to make sure I got it right.
Larry Elder's the black face of white supremacy.
kash patel
Right, right, that's true.
You get to be the Indian face.
I like that.
tim pool
I'll take it.
Look, anyone who pays attention knows that there's a meaningless statement, but the fact that someone falls for the narrative of Larry Elder, black face of white supremacy, it's like, if you're going to fall for that, I don't know how we communicate with these people and affect change.
kash patel
You can't.
tim pool
Well, they're voting!
You do!
ian crossland
You gotta be a beacon, a lighthouse, but don't shine the light directly in their eyes because it'll blind them and cause them pain.
You gotta just be there for when they need you.
phil labonte
We need to get the ideologies out of the schools.
tim pool
I think one of the reasons for going after the schools is to make sure people are so stupid they will always just vote.
phil labonte
100%!
Absolutely!
100%!
The more time you spend actually thinking about the dynamics of oppression when you're in math class, the less time you're spending on math.
kash patel
And history, and reading.
phil labonte
Yeah, that's literally the point.
Like, they want to have generative issues.
They want to have issues that teach politics, as opposed to the topic they're supposed to be learning.
And eventually, that will turn into, like, buildings falling down in your society, and planes not getting off the ground, and Chernobyl.
ian crossland
Yeah, you need, for math, it's a language, you need people that are, like, autistically observant of math.
Easy.
Not like distracted by anything, really a bad home life, people telling you you're racist
because of your skin color.
Like you need to be able to do calculations and build buildings.
Good point.
Real life translation of math is architecture.
phil labonte
It's acceptable to teach politics and have kids learn politics, but there are, you don't
want to do it in every single class.
And that's what the influence of the left is doing.
They're using.
They're using math, and they're using English, and they're using whatever course they can to generate political questions.
That's the whole reason with the LGBT issues in school.
They use that to generate political questions among children so they can teach kids political ideology.
ian crossland
I'm Corey DeAngelis has been school choices popping off.
I'm trying to find some tweets from him, but something big happened.
unidentified
Now.
ian crossland
We've got 26 to 8 vote in Arkansas Senate passed the governor's bill to fund students instead of systems according to Corey DeAngelis passed the house 78 to 21 goes to Governor Huckabee.
phil labonte
That stuff is good and it's not a bad thing, but the problem that's going on in our schools now is in the schools of education.
So it's all of the teachers.
So it doesn't matter if you're going with this school or that school, if you're going to the public school or you're going to the private school, if they're all getting teachers that went to the same schools.
You see the problem?
This might fund homeschooling as well.
your schools that teach teachers how to be teachers, if they're teaching teachers to use the methods that are
that are critical theories essentially, then that's going to be put into all of your schools.
So whether it's your private schools, your public schools, whatever, they're all corrupted.
ian crossland
This might fund homeschooling as well. If someone wants to teach from home, they get $13,000 a year grant or something.
I'm not sure, but hopefully it does.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story we got from TimCast.com.
Daily Wire investigative reporter to resign citing inflammatory statements on transgenderism.
I'll give you the quick version.
This is Christina Buttons of the Daily Wire announced she was resigning because Matt Walsh was mean.
And that due to his inflammatory comments about Dylan Mulvaney, There were people who are good people and not gender ideologues who are trans who are receiving a lot of heat from this and getting attacked and thus Christina Button's argument is you've got to try and persuade the middle and convince them to come over whereas Matt Walsh's argument is you have to humiliate and denounce and belittle your political enemies.
This is interesting because I completely understand the argument from Christina Buttons but I'm going to go ahead and side with Matt Walsh on this one.
I've been doing this for too long.
I've been in politics my whole life.
Cultural politics like activism and stuff like that.
And I used to work for non-profits and I learned a long time ago, this is 13 years ago, man maybe even longer than that, 14, they're all lying.
These people are evil people at these non-profits, these big NGOs.
They claim to be big environmentalists.
They're lying to people for money.
They will claim that, they'll say things like, oh, our poor homeless shelter is filled to the brim with homeless people and we need money from you so that we can expand.
And then you actually go and look, it's completely empty.
And they say, well, no one really wants to be here because you can't take drugs when you're in the homeless shelter.
So we just tell people that.
This is the kind of thing that they pull off.
kash patel
Plus you need six figure salaries for every board member.
tim pool
Well, I mean the people at the top are getting paid fat cash, depending on the size of the non-profit.
And so Matt Walsh comes out and says, you know, we've got to be mean to the people who are coming these problems.
I don't think anyone's saying be mean to trans people necessarily.
I take it as a reference to corrupt individuals who are evil.
So previously in the show we were talking about on the left you have predominantly evil people who know they're lying and Ignorant people or people who lack the ability to better understand.
People being taken advantage of more or less.
We want to denounce and be mean to those evil people.
Otherwise, I see stories like this and it makes me think this is why we lose.
Because we just played a video of people ransacking a restaurant in Queens.
We just played a video, I played a video this morning of 150 Antifa storming into a government facility, firebombing construction equipment.
The left rules by fear and violence.
And the right can't even manage to say a naughty word.
ian crossland
You know, I don't want, I think it's better to not, not to be mean to evil people, but to control them so that they do what you want them to do.
Like their mob mentality.
So it's easy to manipulate them.
And it's, you're better off being kind and then them trusting you so that you can control them.
kash patel
Here's the thing.
How do you control Nancy Pelosi?
ian crossland
You become friends with her grandson, I don't know, you get through the family, you know, you get to connect them on a familial level, and then they'll listen to you.
For real, yeah, that's how you win culture.
I mean, let's be honest, you make a song that manipulates people to sing and clap, and like, it's all manipulation.
phil labonte
I don't know about that.
ian crossland
I mean, manipulation's not necessarily evil.
Manipulation is just moving things around with your hands.
It's controlling and manipulating society and people and behaviors and machines and all that stuff.
tim pool
I think it's a fair point from Ian.
We want to manipulate the culture in a positive direction.
kash patel
That's fine.
unidentified
Absolutely.
kash patel
That's fine.
But I think some of what you're saying, at least the central theme in my opinion of what you're saying and the reason this is the way it is, is because the left No matter their differences, they always unify, hardcore, on whatever is their line of effort or their messaging campaign for the week, the month, the year.
Conservatives, Republicans, whatever you want to call them.
On the other side, don't.
We are always a divisive faction.
Even when we know what everyone else in our group is saying is correct, for some reason we have a personal petty difference with them and they go out and launch an even bigger opposition than the radical left does.
tim pool
Let me show you this story from the New York Post.
New York Magazine art critic Jerry Saltz calls for shunning friends and family who vote GOP.
So let's compare and contrast the two articles.
In one, a reporter for the Daily Wire says, I refuse to work at a place where they're mean, I quit.
And then on the other hand, you've got the New York Magazine critic saying, shun your friends and family if they vote in ways that you're opposed to.
You see the difference in the culture war here?
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
You know, so when Matt Walsh comes out, and the meanest that Matt Walsh was, we said, you are eerie and pitiable and unearthly, you look plastic.
I'm like, he didn't cuss.
It was just kind of like a slow, downward description of an individual.
It was insulting, but it wasn't the most insulting thing.
He would not win a rap battle by that.
Nobody would be shocked, you know, but it was mean, right?
Meanwhile, So you've got tons of people who are critical of Matt Walsh to varying degrees for being mean.
kash patel
For saying this.
tim pool
Yeah, Matt Walsh said, you are eerie, you are off-putting.
When people look at you, they will see something pitiable and plastic.
And it was like, that's how he said it.
And that's unacceptable.
The right will not accept that.
I won't allow that.
That talk is mean.
Meanwhile, the left is like, You firebomb a police car and the judge says you're a good dude.
That lawyer who firebombed the car, the cop was like, well, I know you're a good person at heart, so, you know, we're gonna give you a slap on the wrist here.
kash patel
Yeah, or if you're a lawyer in the FBI and you're anything but pro-Trump, you can go lie to a federal judge, be convicted as a felon, not go to prison, and get your legal license back.
unidentified
Who's that?
Who are you talking about?
kash patel
Kevin Clinesmith.
tim pool
Yeah.
He altered the email, right?
The evidence on Carter Page.
kash patel
So yeah, real quick, for those that don't know, the critical email when I was doing the Russiagate investigation was, Carter Page is a Russian asset.
Sounds really sexy and be like, oh man, we really got to follow this guy.
Well, it turns out the FBI knew the entire time that Carter Page was helping the FBI and the CIA productively, not being spied on.
And the lawyer at the FBI, Kevin Kleinsmith, literally took a document And changed the verbiage and then gave it to a federal judge saying, I need a warrant.
Carter Page is a bad man.
But we have all this evidence of him actually helping the United States of America.
tim pool
Do you guys remember all those stories that we've seen over the past few years where a liberal has announced that they're leaving the left because of Antifa firebombing police vehicles?
Tons of Antifa being like, I will not be Antifa.
I can't believe they were saying those mean things to those conservatives.
Yeah.
It happens all the time, right?
phil labonte
Literal terrorists.
tim pool
I remember that viral video of the Antifa guy.
He comes out and he goes, I didn't realize there were going to be firebombing buildings.
So the joke, obviously, is that that's never going to happen.
It's never going to happen.
kash patel
It's a pipe dream.
tim pool
There are liberals who are like, I was never really involved, but now that I see what they're doing, I don't want to be involved in that.
But you don't typically see, although it happens sometimes, but you don't see a circumstance in which an Antifa guy shows up to an Antifa rally and then leaves saying, I didn't realize they were going to throw Molotov cocktails.
They're down for it.
They're all down for it.
kash patel
So what do you think the justification of the reasoning is, say, I don't know if you saw this, but the Russell Brand clip on Bill Maher.
Was it Bill Maher?
unidentified
Yes.
kash patel
Whatever it was, where he basically blasted Everybody with Daddy Eddie.
tim pool
Well, we talked about this a couple times. He's wrong.
Russell Brand is completely wrong.
I should say completely wrong. It's a little a little heavy.
He's mostly wrong.
But he's partly right. He said MSNBC is like the same as Fox News. They're just as biased.
News Guard rates Fox News as credible, but pretty with caution.
And they rate MSNBC as crackpot BS.
So when you get an independent news agency, that's like the New York Times is the bastion
of journalism, the Gray Lady and ABC News and CBS and the Washington Post are 100% certified.
And MSNBC is crackpot nonsense. Don't trust them. And Fox News is OK.
phil labonte
And it speaks to your point, or it speaks to the broader point that we're making when Russell Brand just saying this is looked at as serious pushback when you, and yet at the same time when you look at the actual facts like NewsGuard and stuff like that, it's like, well, Maybe they aren't the same, but just the pushback that Russell gave is enough for people to be like, yeah, man, he's right.
Because it's so skewed.
tim pool
The challenges are...
You know, I understand the idea of saying MSNBC is like Fox News, because I've said similar things to friends and family, like, if you know somebody who watches MSNBC, use NewsGuard, show them that they say it's fake news conspiracy, and dismiss them as conspiracy theorists, and equate them with what they associate as conspiracy.
So, I was talking to a friend, and they were like, my family only watches MSNBC, I can't talk to them about any of this stuff, and I said, next time you're over there, Just say something like, ah, I don't watch this conspiracy stuff.
I don't know, you guys, this is weird stuff.
And then when they say, what do you mean, it's news?
Be like, wait, the Alex Jones stuff?
Like, is that what you're watching?
Equate them with what they dislike.
They will, so they can understand what you're accusing them of doing.
And then when you're back, well, I don't know what he does.
Isn't that what, he's not on that one?
No, look.
Then you can pull up NewsGuard and say, see, look, it says you're fake news.
You guys, you gotta understand this, right?
So I understand the argument from Russell, or I should say in favor of Russell's statement, that for people who think Fox News is completely fake garbage nonsense, you're equating what they do with what they view as fake garbage nonsense.
Maybe then you can step them in the right direction towards actually watching Fox and realizing, you know, 95% of Fox News is really boring, straightforward news, and the only complaints the left has is like Hannity and Ingram.
Well, they really don't like Tucker.
For sure.
But that's just because he's influential.
But it's like the opinion stuff they take issue with.
The news reporting at Fox News is news.
MSNBC doesn't have news reporting.
It's all garbled garbage nonsense.
kash patel
I completely agree with you.
phil labonte
It's all narrative.
It's all exactly what the narrative that the DNC and the left want to put out.
That's what it is.
tim pool
So I think from an honest perspective, any objective view of Fox News would not equate it with MSNBC.
kash patel
So that's where he's wrong.
I agree with you on that.
But the fact that guys like him and Bill Maher are actually going out there and basically taking a sledgehammer to a piece of the radical left-wing agenda for putting out the dumb narratives that they put out, I think is a step in the right direction.
They're never going to go all the way, because they're not going to come out and say, Fox News is the greatest, or whatever conservative publication is amazing.
But at least they're calling out their own bozos for their BS.
tim pool
Maybe they need to.
Maybe they need to.
You know, look, man, I think Joe Rogan should have endorsed Donald Trump in 2020.
kash patel
Well, I think he should endorse them in 2024, but he's not going to.
tim pool
That's not, maybe.
In 2020, I think it was 2020, he said something like, or maybe it was after, he said, I wouldn't vote for Joe Biden because he's broken, but I didn't vote for Trump either.
Now, recently Joe said, I would vote for Trump before I would vote for Joe Biden, which is a little bit of a step in the right direction.
kash patel
You really think that he's going to go all the way over?
tim pool
I wouldn't, if someone came to me, Like, if Joe called me up and said, look man, here's the truth, I really did vote for Trump, I'd be like, oh, that doesn't surprise me at all.
But I don't, if he says he didn't, then I believe him that he didn't.
Joe's got no reason to lie or anything like that.
I just think anyone who's honestly in this space, and especially, look man, I go on, I went on Rogan's show, it was like a year and a half ago now, it was like November, a year and three months, four months, and we talked about ivermectin.
And I said, I don't think it does what, you know, the right thinks it does.
I think that there's a tribal perspective on all of this, and they want for there to be some kind of treatment that's natural.
But I just don't know.
And look, I'll admit, I'm not a doctor, so don't look at me.
I'm not a scientist.
I've just looked at a bunch of stories.
I think the mainstream media is lying about most of it.
They call it horse space.
That's BS.
But Joe was the other direction.
Joe was definitive, like, no, he thinks it works.
kash patel
It's all in, yeah, I remember.
tim pool
And I'm like, if that's where you're at, you're further than I am in terms of distrusting the media and calling it out, why wouldn't you vote for Donald Trump?
Certainly you understand and you know.
ian crossland
I'll tell you why I didn't vote for Don last time, because of the COVID handling.
The way he handed the keys to the Anthony Fauci and was like, hey, medical community, do whatever you want to the human race.
That's like, dude, you're our last line of defense as the president.
We need you to protect us from corporate malfeasance.
And the pharmaceutical industry, if there was ever a malfeasant industry after the opioid crisis, you would wonder.
I mean, that's the one.
The military industrial complex is up there.
But I don't know, and you cannot speak for him, I know that, but I'm asking you, since you work so closely with him, what was the process there?
kash patel
Yeah, no, this is, when I go on the road and do speaking engagements, this comes up every single time.
And I was, okay, rewind the clock, COVID's jumping out, I'm Deputy Director of National Intelligence in charge of the intelligence community, doing the presidential daily briefing, going to brief President Trump, saying, this is what we think happened, this is where we think coming from, it came from, what do you want to do, ban travel from China, et cetera, right?
And what we didn't have fidelity on, a lot of fidelity on, was what to do, right?
We are in the middle of a once-in-a-century, maybe two-century play, and half the world is screaming for us to come up with some cure, vaccine, whatever you want to call it.
The other half the world is saying, let us live, just do what we need to do.
And what Trump did at the time, and I think if you rewind the clock and said we did, and
I defend Operation Warp Speed, I ran it at Department of Defense when I was Chief of
Staff, and I defended it because I said we didn't make it mandatory, we gave everybody
an option, and the only logistical component on planet Earth that can roll that thing out
in the speed with which we did was the DoD.
And I think he was right to make it an option.
Do I think, had we the evidence we do now, we didn't know Fauci was like a serial liar and hated everything we did and would just literally suppress evidence.
It's like this memo that just came out this week.
We had no idea.
Had we an inkling of that, we probably wouldn't have listened to it.
But look at it this way.
What if we were back then, COVID's running rampant, and we do no vaccine.
We just sit there.
We say wear masks, do your ventilator thing, which turned out to be another fake line of effort,
and do nothing. I don't think it was a win either way, but I do agree with you. Had we had the
intelligence, we should and would have done it very, very differently. I think Trump trusted
tim pool
too many deep state stooges. Yeah, Fauci, right?
kash patel
I mean, that's Burke's Fauci.
tim pool
I mean, bringing on Bolton was mostly a mistake.
I say mostly because there's a fair point that I can't remember who brought it up, that when Trump went to negotiate with foreign world leaders and they saw Bolton or heard about that Bolton was on, they panicked and were like, whatever you say, Trump, please don't blow us up.
kash patel
I mean, I think it was mostly Trump and not Bolton.
I mean, I was in there.
I worked for Bolton for a little bit.
The reason he got out, he got ousted was because he is exposed to be an actual deep stater.
But we just didn't figure that out, and we should have, about the Fauci and Berkshires of the world ahead of time.
And that's the problem.
It's not a great answer.
It's not what you want to hear from your leadership at the time.
We wish we had gotten it all right, but if we had come out and said, we have no vaccine, stay the course, live in your homes, do nothing, I don't know that the reaction would have been different from the other half of the population.
tim pool
Real quick, I want to add to that.
Look, no matter what the Trump administration did during COVID, the media was coming for him.
If Trump came out on day one and said to the American people, did the address and says, there is a real risk of COVID.
We are not sure what the mortality rate is going to be, but it may be very high.
Pay attention to local news reports to figure out where we're at.
And the federal government will be tracking and addressing this and providing information.
But the choice is yours.
Keep that in mind as you go shopping, whether you will be safe, whether you will take treatments and talk to your doctor, and that's the guidance we have for you.
If he did that, then the media would report it across the board, Trump abandons America.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
He's doing nothing.
He's doing nothing.
kash patel
We weren't winning.
Look, COVID is the extreme example because obviously it's the most impactful for everyday lives around the world.
But pick whatever national security issue I was working on.
Trump was always on the wrong side.
I was in the Situation Room heading up counterterrorism when we killed Baghdadi, which I thought was the right move to eliminate the world's worst terrorist.
We wake up the next morning and CNN writes an article saying, why did you take out a Muslim cleric?
tim pool
Was it Baghdadi that they called an austere scholar?
kash patel
That's the, like, it doesn't matter what the issue was, had we taken him out, had we not taken him out, they would've woken up the next day and said, why didn't you take out the world's worst terrorists?
phil labonte
You're a hundred percent right, but I want to ask you, moving forward, like, so say he gets elected, right?
My biggest criticism with Trump is the people that he picked, right?
And I think that that's probably The biggest criticism that most people are going to have.
I think that he dropped the ball that a lot of the stuff that we're dealing with, with the quote unquote woke people and stuff like that.
I think that he wasn't on, he wasn't on the ball with that stuff.
And I think that he would be probably better about it, but that really will depend on who he appoints because he's the president.
He's not going to be doing that full time, even though in my opinion, that's the most clear and present threat to the United States right now is that ideology.
What do you think he's going to do if he gets elected again?
And what kind of people is he going to appoint now?
Because he's already run through a whole lot of deep state scumbags to go through.
Is he going to try and find fresh blood to come in and actually do serious cuts at the federal and bureaucratic level?
kash patel
Here's the good news.
Thank you so much for allowing me a shameless plug for my book, Government Gangsters, because it answers all your questions.
It's on pre-order at governmentgangsters.com.
phil labonte
And you didn't pay me to do that.
kash patel
But look, the deep state cannot exist without the fake news mafia and the personal that you're talking about.
And the reason that I took so much time to write this book was to answer these questions.
If Trump wins again, or anyone wins again, how do we get it right?
And it's personnel, personnel, personnel across the board. 100%.
But what you have to do is identify what we talked about earlier and show the personnel that are failing this government and fire them.
It's a complete falsehood that you can't fire government employees and terminate them.
It is a total falsehood of the radical left.
You can eliminate them.
tim pool
That's what I want to say real quick.
It's not just personnel.
It's, in addition to that, the removal of personnel.
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
100%.
kash patel
So when I was at DNI, I fired 10% of the workforce.
How did I do that?
tim pool
That's a start, but those are rookie numbers.
kash patel
But I'm just saying, right, that's a start, that's a few thousand people.
But what I'm saying is, A, it's a farce, it's a fictional narrative that they created that you can't zero out these people.
It's not called straight-up firing, but you literally zero them out in the course of 31 days.
Not hard to do.
Then you bring in the bench, and I will tell you from a national security, defense, law enforcement, intel perspective, that there are people through all rungs of government that want to serve that America First mission as Donald Trump describes it, which I believe in.
And so you have to install them.
And I think the other thing, and I've had many conversations with Donald Trump about this, I said, look, Rod Rosenstein, Chris Wray, all your guys, Bill Barr, your guy, Gina Haspel, your guy, Mark Esper.
I remember being involved in firing some of these people.
He has learned.
He came in as a businessman and said, well, maybe I should trust some of these people in government and some of the traditional Republican people telling me hire X, Y, and Z. Now we know all the people that are on the bad list, on the government gangster list.
Don't ever talk to not only Those people that we fired, don't take anyone else from anyone that told you to hire those people.
So not only do we have a definitive in-list, we have a definitive out-list.
And I think it's going to give him a much better footing, and I also think you're going to start seeing certain people surround him that will be in another Trump administration that people are going to be like, okay, we don't have to guess who's going to be the head of DOD, who's going to be the head of NSA, who's going to be the head of CIA.
And I think maybe you'll start seeing some of those outlines come out.
phil labonte
This is just my opinion, but this is one of the things that I think that Trump needs to get his people out there talking about ASAP.
He's already committed to running, so he needs people out there talking about fixing the things in the future, because he likes to look at the past and talk about the past and complain too much.
unidentified
Oh yeah, one thing is the open sourcing of voting.
tim pool
If you're advising Trump, advise him to just focus on the culture war issues and the political issues, because the one thing that we've talked about, or at least it's true for just me, and so everybody can tell me I'm crazy, but when he goes on and on about 2020, he loses me.
When he goes to East Palestine and buys Big Macs for people, that is the biggest, like, it may sound silly, but that Big Mac thing, the McDonald's, gave like, in my view, my favorability rating for Trump skyrocketed like 15 points when I saw that.
I totally agree.
When he put out videos talking about cultural issues and the things he wants to do, favorability is going way, way up and I'm very much with Trump at this point.
Leaning between Trump and DeSantis, last year it was like DeSantis probably got it for a variety of reasons because Trump wouldn't shut up about 2020.
But now that we're starting to see this East Palestine stuff, if he stops ragging on Harper on the Past and starts being Trump from 2016, he's going to give me back.
kash patel
Or even Trump from 2019.
What I say to everybody is look at the last Get him back on Twitter.
year and since Donald Trump actually made his announcement in November that
he's gonna run for president. What he's been doing on Truth Social is
putting out policy videos. How I'm gonna take on China. How I'm gonna defeat the
CCP. What I'm gonna do on the border. What I'm gonna do about fentanyl. What I'm
gonna do about the economy. Healthcare. Education. Policy substantive videos. Not
just saying, oh Joe Biden's a failure, but highlighting the solutions for that
very specifically. Get him back on Twitter. I think that's a step in the right.
That's probably not gonna happen. I think that's a step in the right direction. Why
no Twitter though? It's a terrible actual. We'll get to that. Let me finish that real quick. So if he does those
policy videos and then the biggest juxtaposition I have is him going to East Palestine when
our current commander-in-chief Joe Biden goes to Western Europe
And doesn't have one diplomatic meeting with world leaders to end the conflict in the Ukraine.
Not one.
tim pool
No, he gives them money for war.
kash patel
He gives them money to double down and make Ukraine the next Afghanistan for the American people.
That's stark contrast.
I agree with you.
If Donald Trump does more of that, then he is going to sail into the presidency.
Why is he never going on Twitter?
Because Donald Trump has fruit social.
That's my opinion.
I don't speak for him, but I'm just saying.
tim pool
He should do a thing where it's like a day later, the truth gets posted on Twitter or something.
kash patel
It may come to that, but my opinion is I don't see it happening.
tim pool
And then what he can do is, if he posts a longer truth, he can tweet, hey, go to Truth Social, check out the longer video or whatever.
phil labonte
I just want Covfefe again.
kash patel
Do you want to know what Covfefe is?
Yes!
Not today.
ian crossland
I want to federate the system.
tim pool
Here's what I think.
I think someone was drafting a tweet and then either Trump or somebody accidentally pressed send instead of cancel.
That's it.
ian crossland
For sure.
I mean, that was my guess.
tim pool
That's probably it.
ian crossland
Just coffee with a beer.
phil labonte
I'm gonna punish you after the show!
ian crossland
The V's right before, below the F on the keyboard.
tim pool
In the ten minutes, when the show ends, the ten minutes between when the show ends and the uncensored show begins, Cash is gonna just go into this long tirade about the secret of Covfefe, swear us to secrecy, and we're gonna be like, whoa.
phil labonte
I would never tell a soul.
ian crossland
It was his tricycle from when he was nine.
kash patel
The reality is I know the two people that know, and And it still hasn't come out yet.
ian crossland
Regarding the rhetoric on 2020 election that I know Don's been going through, I call him Don, it's funny, Donald's been going through, like, I think the one good message is to say, you know, if we're going to tally our votes in secret on machines and private corporations, we need to open source the code so that we know the machines are tallying them justly, rather than be like, what they did was wrong, just be like, in the future, we're
going to do it right.
We're going to open source these softwares if they're going to be used. I'd like to see that.
unidentified
I also had a couple ideas. Paper and pencil. Well, that's what he said at CPAC. He wants
kash patel
paper ballot, voter ID, and he said go big on mail, ballot harvesting, whatever the verb is.
ian crossland
But it's just so hackable. All that stuff is hackable.
If it's in paper, they're like, yeah, I'll take your thousand votes and trust me.
I'll make sure they're all counted.
Wink, wink.
It's never see the guy again.
tim pool
Okay, but that's safer than something that's nebulous and can't be seen.
ian crossland
Yes, it is safer than proprietary voting machines doing calculations in private when you don't
have access to the code.
It is safer than that, but it's equally it's just as insecure from a macro scale when you
could have things like blockchain reference nine blockchains of voting reference where
you can verify.
phil labonte
There isn't currently the blockchain that's been developed and tested that would make
people feel like it's safe.
You may be able to do it, like technologically, the technology may be there, but just because the technology is there doesn't mean that you'd be able to implement it in the real world and have the population feel good about it.
tim pool
All right, I just want to say one thing real quick.
Donald Trump should fly around to a bunch of random cities and buy McDonald's for people.
ian crossland
That's it.
He should come on Shark Tank with you guys.
kash patel
What makes you think that's not gonna happen?
tim pool
I'm not saying it's not gonna happen.
I'm saying, like, he should.
phil labonte
I mean, I'm loving it.
tim pool
Yes, I'm loving it.
unidentified
Very nice, Phil.
tim pool
It's just, like, Trump showing up with a bunch of regular people who are all smiling and happy to see him, and he's like, let's have Big Macs.
kash patel
You asked me, I think Phil, or maybe it was Ian asked me before the show, you know, why did you run so hard on the Donald Trump agenda?
ian crossland
Oh, no, that was me.
unidentified
That was me.
kash patel
And, and, and the simple answer is when you're with him, my mission was national security defense until law enforcement mission.
He's that guy.
He's the guy that you sit down with and talk about killing terrors, bringing home Americans, safeguarding America in a very casual fashion, but serious.
And no matter what, he's going to defend that to the end.
And then you're going to eat McDonald's afterwards.
And it's just, I don't know how else to describe it.
He's not this bombastic guy who goes over there and like lobs people's heads off or anything like that.
When he calls me and I talk to him, he still asks me about my mom and my dad, like every time.
And then he takes the time to like meet them.
I mean, I don't know that every president does that with everybody else.
I'm just giving you my experience and how I saw him act with my other friends
around that universe and that's just how he is all the time.
tim pool
I went to Trump Tower when he was running in New York. I've been there a
bunch of times. They got pretty good food there and ice cream and stuff and so
he's running and the media is going crazy and insulting him and I was at the
ice cream stand or whatever or like the bagel shop and I asked him I was like
have you ever seen Trump around here?
And he's like, yeah, he comes down every so often.
And I was like, oh, is he cool?
And they were like, he just hands us $100 bills.
And I was like, oh, really?
He's like, he'll just come down and be like, here you go, and give me a $100 bill.
I'm like, oh, that's awesome!
And he says, sometimes he'll bring the staff out, thank them all, shake their hands, and hand them $100 bills.
phil labonte
I was like, wow.
That reminds me of the gangster movie stuff from back in the day.
Not that I have personal experience with it, but it's like, that's the stuff you would see.
kash patel
Look, I've seen it.
When you go to his properties, whatever, Trump National, this, that, or the other thing, You're talking about people who have been employed there for 15 and 20 years, and he goes up to the lawn care guys, the kitchen guys, the maintenance guys, and everybody knows him on a first-name basis.
And I'm like, okay, that's not manufactured.
That can't just be made up.
That has to exist over a period of a lifetime.
And that's how he treats people.
tim pool
I knew a guy a long time ago in Chicago, and he said that when they were opening the Trump Hotel in Chicago, he was dropping something off, I can't remember what he was doing, but he told me the story that he was walking towards the door, and he heard people behind him, and he gets to the door and he looks, he holds the door open, and it was Trump with some people.
Trump walks through the door and says, hey, thanks kid, and throws him an iPod.
And this was back when iPods were expensive.
kash patel
Like the thing, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, but he was like, thanks for holding the door for me, here's a $500 MP3 player or something like that.
kash patel
He's he's done.
He's done all and here's the thing.
He'll never tell you about these He could write a book about all these things the media would excoriate him, but that's not his style He's not like oh remember when I did this this and he'd been doing it for 76 years.
tim pool
That's why it's so crazy how I mean just, look, I literally go to Trump Tower in New York and I just ask people and they were like, he's awesome.
And I've been to Trump Doral, I stayed there a couple times because it was near where I was working with Furfusion.
Same thing, everyone's like, when he's here it's awesome.
And I'm like, huh.
Then why do people act like he's so evil?
I don't understand media.
ian crossland
I think that's because the liberal economic order is trying to turn into the world economic order.
They're trying to create the new world order and they had a plan for the last 30 years and he was like a wrench in the gears and didn't realize it.
phil labonte
I think you're onto something there.
He's a nationalist.
He believes in America.
He's patriotic.
He's an old school democrat that believes that borders are a thing.
The modern left is moving away from nations.
They really think that they can use things like the UN, the World Economic Forum, the International Monetary Fund to basically create a super government that controls the governments of the world.
And the United States is not insulated from that at all.
We should be and we can be.
And I think whether it be actually Donald Trump or someone like Donald Trump that believes in nations and stuff.
I think that a president like that can influence the U.S., but right now the people that are running the narrative and that are running the country and dictating the narrative, they believe in an international order that should supersede individual countries.
ian crossland
Well, as you were talking, Bernie Sanders came to mind, because he's kind of a nationalist in a way.
You know, a bit more socialist than Donald Trump.
tim pool
Bernie's a nationalist socialist.
ian crossland
Yes, he sure is.
Have you guys considered getting Donald and Bernie together?
kash patel
Oh yeah, on a daily basis, over, you know, ice lattes in the morning.
ian crossland
Just patch it up?
kash patel
Yes, just high five.
ian crossland
I remember him being like, oh no, Donald Trump's bad, bad, bad.
I'll support Joe Biden instead.
unidentified
uh... because i don't know why i think i run for president of hell yet to be a lot easier to seven to the was there
tim pool
the other days as a bill maher but equity versus equality
and he said uh... i can tell you the first i don't know it's the i don't know
that and then he was like a yes i think i'm for equality but and then good jake yugor comes out he's like of course
he's for equality No one's for equity.
Meanwhile, Joe Biden came out and was like, equity?
Every HR department says equity.
It's plastered in every university.
So are they retreating from this stuff now because it's not popular?
phil labonte
That tweet by Cenk Uygur is the most valuable weapon on Twitter right now to push back against the equity movement because he has demonstrated Very clearly, the Motten-Bailey argument, the Motten-Bailey fallacy, he backed away into the no, we're talking about equality, when for the past five or whatever years, everybody's been equity, equity, equity, and equity means good, equal outcomes, as opposed to equality, which means equality under the law.
He has given a weapon to people that are involved in the culture war that has not been seen in a while.
tim pool
But you don't need to call him out on bail.
You can just be like, no, Cenk Uygur agrees with us.
The progressive Young Turks agrees that equity is the prize.
It's not where we want to be yet, and equality of opportunity is the real goal.
And so when anybody comes out and says equity, be like, equity?
Aren't you a fan of Bernie Sanders?
Bernie Sanders says equality, not equity.
Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks says equality.
Bernie is the dude!
Bernie said equality, not equity on Bill Maher!
ian crossland
And he clearly said equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome.
phil labonte
That's equity.
tim pool
We won!
There you go.
Bernie Sanders said it.
It's going to be his campaign slogan.
When you're arguing, when you're debating family and friends, you don't want to be acrimonious.
I'll put it that way.
You want to be calm and just say, you know, look, look, I know we might disagree, but I'm with Bernie Sanders on this one.
I don't know if you're a fan of Bernie Sanders, but he went on Bill Maher and said, we don't want equity, we want equality of opportunity.
ian crossland
If you're ever in a debate or discussion with someone that you know long-term and they offer you a seed, a seed, plant the seed, water it, and let it grow, because that will be a reminder in that conversation forever that you guys agree on something.
tim pool
Alright, I'm not gonna sit here and be like, Jenk Uygur is bad, and Bernie Sanders is bad.
I'm gonna say this.
Oh, I agree with Cenk, and I agree with Bernie Sanders.
They're both 100% correct.
Equality is the appropriate response, not equity.
ian crossland
But equality of opportunity, because equity is equality of outcome.
It's a different type of equality.
tim pool
Look, I'm a Bernie supporter in this regard, you know, when he said...
You know, you guys might be Trump supporters, but when it comes to, uh, you know, Bernie Sanders come out, oh, I'm, I'm, there, there you go.
So now you can tell all your lefty friends that you're a Bernie supporter because he said equality of opportunity.
kash patel
But Bernie charges $95 a head for his new book tour.
tim pool
Does he really?
Yeah.
kash patel
Just started.
tim pool
Good for him!
phil labonte
Good solid capitalism!
It's called the It's OK to Hate Capitalism Tour or something like that.
kash patel
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Look, look, look.
My point is just this.
Take it to a positive level and think about the gifts you've been given.
You're right, Phil, that what Cenk said is a weapon.
But you simply need to say, well, don't you agree with Bernie Sanders and the Young Turks on this one?
And then if they say no and be like, then who are you agreeing with if not Bernie Sanders?
Like, he's the dude, right?
unidentified
No?
tim pool
You don't think so?
What are you, a Nazi or something?
What are you, a Democrat like Hillary Clinton's supporter?
kash patel
Fascist?
unidentified
No.
kash patel
What was it?
I'm the Indian neo-Nazi.
tim pool
The Indian face of white supremacy.
ian crossland
I want to ask about, more about COVID.
Yeah, we gotta go.
We gotta move this along, baby.
tim pool
We're gonna go to Super Chats.
My friends!
It is my birth week!
Adrian Curry was like, you get one day.
Well, no, it's, it's, look, I have a- You get a whole week!
ian crossland
It is the year of your birth year.
tim pool
I am going to milk it for all it's worth to ask you all to become members at TimCast.com, because it's my birth week.
Thursday's my birthday.
But, uh, we're gonna have a members-only show with Cash coming up after the show.
It'll be live around 10, 10 p.m.
So, uh, check it out.
It should be fun.
We'll talk a lot, uh, more about what's, you know, what's happening and, uh, what's going to happen with- And I'm going to curse.
He's gonna swear a lot.
Oy!
But yeah, become a member at TimCast.com.
Go to TimCast.com, click join us, sign up.
Live show will be around 10, 10.
You'll see it on the front page of the website, but let's read your super chats!
Smash the like button and... I'm not your buddy, guy!
Says, I wish you and your crew the best of luck.
Personally, I've lost hope in, is it C.A., Canada?
Especially after they arrested yet another pastor not far from me.
You know that song, Mad World?
It hits too close to home.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's Duran Duran.
No, no, it's not Duran Duran.
Roland Orzabal.
Tears for Fears?
Am I right?
tim pool
Tears for Fears, I believe, yes.
ian crossland
Roland Orzabal's solo album, by the way, Tomcat's Screaming is incredible.
tim pool
Rogue says, Tim, you need to play the board game Secret Hitler.
It's extremely relevant today.
Maybe you and the crew can play a live stream game.
We haven't.
And we've played it every so often.
For those that aren't familiar, it's basically a werewolf game.
You ever play werewolf?
Nope. Werewolf is a party game where everybody sits at a table and puts their head down.
One person's the storyteller. You can do it with cards or you can write down
tick tags and then you get a certain number of people are villagers and then one person's the
werewolf. And then the point of the game is everyone puts their heads down, the storyteller
says the werewolf looks up and then, you know, looks down or whatever and the goal of the game
is for everybody to rise up and try and figure out who the werewolf is.
And if they don't, the werewolf gets to remove one player.
Secret Hitler is a game where everyone's given a role, either liberal or fascist, because it's the only thing that exists, apparently.
And then in order for the fascists to win, they need to enact a certain number of fascist policies.
And then for the liberals to win, they need to enact liberal policies or assassinate Hitler.
And the way it works is, you get a chancellor and a president, someone gets nominated, everybody votes, or something like that, and then if the person gets elected, I think if Hitler gets elected chancellor or something, the fascist... Game's over, yeah.
Yeah, something like that.
But you will get three tiles, and then you pass the tiles, the president passes them to the chancellor, and then the chancellor picks one, and then what happens is, if you get handed three fascist tiles, You're like, uh-oh, what am I supposed to do with this?
And you hand two, and the guy looks at you and he's like, why did you just give me two fascist ones?
Are you Hitler?
Are you the fascist?
And then you play, and everyone says, why did you play a fascist one?
You're like, it was all I was given.
Don't blame me, blame him.
And then everyone's trying to figure out who's really lying and who's telling the truth.
It's a fun game.
phil labonte
There's a game called Mafia that's very similar to that.
We played that.
My buddies in Unearth and Madball, when we were on the Sounds of the Underground tour, we played that all over Europe.
It was a ton of fun.
ian crossland
Dude, I love Mafia.
Yeah, it's the same game, with a different skin, basically.
You can tap on the head and on the shoulder to decide, so you don't need cards or anything.
phil labonte
Yeah, the bass player from Madball, Hoya, super nice guy, and he was always like, yo, let's go, we're gonna play Mafia, yo.
ian crossland
Get an odd number, get an even number, so you can have an odd number of players in one game.
phil labonte
Yep.
tim pool
Alright, Jazanot says, Tim Pool is evolving into Alex Jones before us.
phil labonte
Return of the freakin' frogs, gay!
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
They're coming for your income tax!
ian crossland
That'd be a fun Cast Castle skit if they could pull it off where you, like, Incredible Hulk into Alex.
kash patel
Don't go in the building.
tim pool
We actually have to get Alex.
unidentified
And then it's like, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.
tim pool
And then it's Alex and he rips his shirt off.
I think Alex will be down for it.
We're doing that show in Austin with Luke, Blair, Alex Stein, Alex Jones, Michael Malice.
It's gonna be a whole lot of fun.
Should be a good time.
ian crossland
That's April 14th?
tim pool
April 14th, yeah, and the event's sold out in like two days, so yikes.
Should be fun though.
ian crossland
And there'll be a follow-up show April 15th that I'll be at as well.
tim pool
Theoden, king of the Brohan, says, did you see that West Virginia is portrayed as the heart of the Confederacy in the new Mel Brooks History of the World show?
Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten.
ian crossland
I mean, I think West Virginia is split off from Virginia on purpose.
tim pool
West Virginia was pro-union.
And it was funny, I was reading, there was a vote in West Virginia counties to secede from Virginia, but all of the young men were away fighting in the war, so the vote was held by people who were not fighting in the war.
That's how it works, I guess.
kash patel
History.
tim pool
Yeah, and then Virginia— Only we learned that in school.
Virginia sued after the war, saying, now the war's over, West Virginia is Virginia, and the Supreme Court said, nope.
It's a new state.
Shut your mouth.
phil labonte
Now it's best Virginia.
tim pool
Now it is best Virginia.
All right, let's see what we got.
Equals Sign says, Tim, you and Ian mentioned Magic the Gathering and poker the other day.
Ever heard of Aces and Adventures?
It's a Steam game that combines the two.
You might like it.
kash patel
Thank you.
tim pool
We were actually talking about a card game that combines elements of, I don't necessarily want to say poker, but a turn-based community board magic game that's focused on a single deck of cards so that you don't need deck building, and it's a bit more random and combines elements of deception, so I guess you could call it that.
But you were talking about it.
I'll look at Aces in Adventures.
Would be nice if it was an actual card game.
Did you hear, Ian, about the $250,000 of the Magic cards left in a dumpster?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Or in a landfill, sorry.
kash patel
No.
tim pool
Boxes of Magic the Gathering cards were found just in a dumpster, and then the bulldozers smashed them up and just destroyed them.
And everyone's like, oh, that's so sad.
And I'm kind of like, if you think it's worth $250,000, pieces of paper, smashed in a landfill, I got something to tell you.
It's not worth that at all.
Like the fact that someone threw it out and it was loaded into a landfill proves it was not worth that.
And I think this is an example of the decay in culture.
Magic, secondary market, these trading cards with a lot of money.
I think it's been corporatized and gone woke to the point where they're becoming worthless.
Literally worthless, not worthless.
You know?
We'll see though.
We'll see.
I've been hearing nothing but complaints about what Hasbro's been doing to the game, so that sucks.
Used to be a big fan.
Wayback says, I already have a Timcast membership, so here's an extra 10 bucks.
I'm really looking forward to see what Tucker says tonight.
It's going to break the Uniparty's brains.
ian crossland
Was he releasing more video?
tim pool
I believe so, right?
Cool.
Well, we'll see.
I don't know.
Let's grab some more Super Chats.
Oh, right.
And where's Seamus at for that matter?
Did you guys see he put out a short on Freedom Tunes, a preview of the upcoming video for which I am doing the voice of Dr. Fauci?
And I think it's really funny.
So this one's got to be really great on Thursday.
Really excited.
All right, S.A.
Federale says, Serge is full-on Bolton bro today.
Let the bros loose on your swatters.
What would Javier Pena do?
ian crossland
The Bolton bros.
unidentified
Yeah, shouts out.
tim pool
Rash says, Tim, in earlier segments, you talk about the death of culture.
And while you are building it, maybe you should look to invest in other people's ideas of books and games through some Shark Tank style pitch.
And that is from Rath.
Hence, I discussed that idea after I saw that super chat doing some kind of Shark Tank type thing.
And, uh, yeah, somebody super chatted saying we'll need clear rules and a judging criteria to award the grant because it will be viewed as like a sweepstakes or a contest.
And, uh, works for me.
I think it'll be, you know what I was thinking we'll do?
Why don't we just do a YouTube show where we will like take submissions, have a judging criteria, maybe what we can get is like five advisors, you know, independent, so outside of Timcast, will come in and they make the determination, we don't, but we then go and film.
So let's say it's like you, you know, and four other people, Cash, You guys say, out of everyone we saw, we think this is the guy.
Then we go film knocking on the door with the check written out, you know, printed out to the person for their idea.
And then being like... And that's the show.
And then the show is they talk about their idea, you know, we explain why they won and why we want to succeed.
And then we cross our fingers that we hope, you know, it works out.
Good luck.
ian crossland
A big part of what makes Shark Tank great is when they will rip people apart with bad ideas.
I mean, it's very entertaining.
tim pool
That'll be your job.
ian crossland
It keeps it honest.
It keeps it honest because then when they're good, they're not lying.
kash patel
Well, same with all those dance, not dancing shows, whatever that guy does.
tim pool
Simon.
kash patel
Yeah, there you go.
We'll have like, somebody a part is like, people watch it and they're like, ooh.
tim pool
Some little old lady will walk in and she'll be like, I just need some money so I can make my comic book.
And Ian's just like, you are terrible.
You disgust me.
ian crossland
The art's not even good.
tim pool
She like makes a batch of cookies and they're like Trump face cookies and she's like, I
want to open a Trump bakery and Ian's like, ah, and he slaps the tray of cookies out and
she'll go flying in the air.
ian crossland
So would it be like everyone that comes on the show would get a guaranteed $5,000 or
something, and then you'd be looking for the person to give like a big...
tim pool
I think what we would do is we would request submissions, then we would have an external
group handle the judging criteria.
So we would not be involved in who wins.
And then whoever they determine is the winner, based on how the outside group votes, we would then show up.
As part of their submission process, they would agree that we can film them.
If they win, we'll show up at their house.
And then we'd show up at their house, knock on the door, and be like, we got money for you.
Maybe we just come with cash and start making it rain.
That's actually always good.
phil labonte
Grab the machines from Pop Culture Crisis.
ian crossland
Where I will be tomorrow, by the way.
tim pool
Brett & Mary show up and they're standing there holding the money guns.
phil labonte
But real dollars as opposed to the fake ones.
tim pool
Real hundos.
Yeah, I think we'll look into the legalities of it, but probably an external group judging.
ian crossland
That's intros.
The camera pans down with you on a circular platform that's spinning around.
You're like, oh, and the money's shooting out at an angle.
tim pool
I think it should be you.
kash patel
Like a genie.
ian crossland
It'll be me.
It'll be like, yeah, I'll be like the Ryan.
What's that guy's name from American Idol?
tim pool
I think it should be called like Ian Crossland's Cash Money Gift Show or something.
ian crossland
Okay, dude, roll with it.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Ryan, what's his name?
kash patel
Seacrest?
ian crossland
Yeah, Seacrest.
I'll be the Ryan Seacrest on this one.
tim pool
And you'll have to explain why their cultural project deserves the money.
And then in order to deliver the money to them, you have to just hold the money gun and spray them with it and be like, I'm sorry, it's the show rules.
I have to do it.
It'll take about 30 seconds.
ian crossland
Close your eyes.
It hurts less.
tim pool
And then we just film the person that's, like, getting sprayed with money and it's like, sorry, I know it's a mess, but, you know, at least you got $10,000, so... The intro's gonna be hot.
ian crossland
Like, um, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, that real intense intro where the lights go down and then back up.
tim pool
Yeah, we could make them answer... We can make... I just look over the monitor, I say, Ian... See Ian pretending like he's got the money gun to his head.
We can make them answer trivia questions.
ian crossland
Like, my hand's stuck.
tim pool
A game show!
Oh, actually, that's a good idea, too.
unidentified
Yeah, game show.
tim pool
Well, one of the ideas we had was doing a game show where you get a liberal and a conservative and you ask them basic
news questions.
unidentified
Ha ha.
That's good.
phil labonte
You could do that like a man on the street kind of thing or you talk about-
tim pool
That's actually true. You could be like for ten bucks, you know, question.
And then when they say the wrong thing, like, oh, sorry.
phil labonte
I mean, it's springtime in D.C.
unidentified
coming.
phil labonte
That's great.
tim pool
But what we what we could do is we get a local D.C.
resident and a local West Virginia resident.
And it's like.
And then you see who knows more about the news.
You'll get some like mountain right wing nut job with like a Trump shirt and a Trump hat.
And then you'll get some like buttoned up North Face jacket wearing dude from D.C.
And then you'll be like, In 2020, Donald Trump said what about neo-Nazis and white nationalists?
And then they write down their answer, and then the D.C.
guys, like, he praised them and called them very fine people, and the West Virginia guys, like, he said they should be condemned totally, and you're like, West Virginia takes it!
And then you, like, hand them a $100 bill.
phil labonte
I think it's a great idea.
tim pool
Well, I gotta be honest.
I firmly believe that if you did a liberal versus conservative trivia show, the conservatives would win every single time.
phil labonte
I think it's probably true.
tim pool
Hands down.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
You gotta do it.
Okay, I'm being a little hyperbolic.
It'd be like 80-20.
kash patel
Probably.
tim pool
Yep.
Alright, let's grab some more superchats.
Superchats, not regularchats.
Superchats.
And then also memberchats, maybe.
See what's going on in the memberchat as well.
All right, what do we got?
X-Ray says, hey Cash, I'm getting out of the military this year.
I can't take what it has become.
I need to become a part of something that's pro-American.
What avenue can I take to be a part of what you're doing?
kash patel
Go to fightwithcash.com or the Cash Foundation.
We have ambassadors.
We have a whole myriad of ways.
We're helping active duty people transition out.
There's lots of jobs there.
And most importantly, we're trying to help veterans and people who are homeless who used to serve in uniform get back on their feet.
So there's a ton of work you can do and anyone can do.
Mr. Jarvis says I'm working on a podcast as you're talking.
which we are moving insane amounts of units and all that money goes right back
into the foundation. So the cash foundation.com right on brother. Mr. Jarvis says I'm working
tim pool
on a podcast as you're talking. Well, you know, here's the thing though. Podcasts are good.
Podcasts are good.
kash patel
That's your wheelhouse.
Yeah, what do you tell him?
tim pool
Well, no, I just, it's like, we can't just be complaining about stuff.
kash patel
You have to have solutions.
tim pool
It's, we, so, listening to a show that discusses issues and culture isn't, we need to go beyond that.
We have a lot of those.
You know, Daily Wire's got six of them.
Stephen Crowder, me, you got Six Hexenhammer, you got the Lotus Eaters podcast.
We're all talking about this stuff.
And at a certain point, we're like, we get it.
Y'all mostly agree.
What we need is someone to make a comic book.
I mean, and we have that.
We have Ripaverse, you know, obviously.
You've got people who are working on books and music and stuff like that.
That's important.
I mean, Phil Labonte literally sitting right here.
phil labonte
Yes, sir.
tim pool
And that's extremely important.
I mean, Storied career rock star Phil Levante is sitting here doing the inverse of it from making culture to commenting on it.
And still creating risk for yourself in that space as well.
unidentified
Sure.
phil labonte
I mean, but and I appreciate the kudos, but like, you know, making culture and making music is still something that I, you know, am actively doing where we've got the next record I've decided I've already decided on a title that, you know, is intentionally not going to be Something that sounds super metal, but it's going to be something that gives people hope.
And I'm not writing songs that are negative.
I'm not writing songs that are depressing.
Our biggest record is this record.
Well, arguably our biggest record is a record called The Fall of Ideals.
kash patel
And even though it has kind of a negative sounding title, all the songs that are not about chicks, which is about half of it, Are about self-empowerment like they're all there's a song called the air that I breathe and there's there's a song called not alone There's a song called this column There's there's so many songs about that and that's something that I have done throughout my whole careers try to write songs that inspire people to believe in themselves and that's something that I think is important and hopefully that's something that but whether you write music or have a successful show or have a Foundation or what have you you put out these ideals just prepare to be attacked.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
tim pool
They're gonna come after Well, that's the thing.
I mean, you know, I imagine if you just keep your mouth shut, Phil, you'd have way more people in music offering you stuff, but you speak out challenging the BS and you put risk on yourself.
phil labonte
Any of the politically motivated people in the music industry hate my guts.
I've lost friends.
kash patel
Which is most of the people in there, right?
phil labonte
Well, there are some people that are like, no, I don't want to be political.
And there are actually more people now that are like, yo, you were right.
We shouldn't have been so hard on you or whatever, blah, blah, blah.
We shouldn't have been pushing you out and stuff.
But there's so many people that are ideologically motivated, just like every other part of our culture right now.
Just like we talk about the FBI, there are normal people in the FBI, and then there are people that are extremely ideological.
That's the same in the music industry.
It's a little more heavily, you know, tilted to the left in the music industry.
But there were blogs that were tearing me apart in 2012, 2013, because I had the audacity to say things like, you know, communism's bad.
tim pool
What was your biggest song, like the most successful?
phil labonte
There's two that are probably our biggest individual songs.
There's a song called Two Weeks and there's a song called What If I Was Nothing.
Both of those songs are about chicks.
tim pool
I was, I was, I was thinking that those are the ones I was thinking of.
And I was like, you mentioned the ones that aren't about chicks.
I'm like, are the ones about chicks, the big ones?
phil labonte
They can relate.
And also they're, they're, they're the songs that I wrote about real things that happened.
So they're very raw.
And so people can really relate when I'm like, it's not like it was some kind of abstract thing.
Like they're both about actual arguments that I had with people that I really, really, really had very deep feelings for.
So they're really raw and that stuff tends to relate with them.
tim pool
Let's read, I want to read a super chat.
Dylan Hale says, holy crap, 10k.
That could pay for my whole book series, editor, art, and all.
They've been working 50 hours a week to pay for it all piecemeal.
An opportunity like this would be life-changing.
What's the best way for Dylan to get in touch with us?
Do you think he could, they could message you, Ian?
ian crossland
Doubtful.
I mean, you can.
You want me to pass it on to somebody?
tim pool
Well, I don't, I don't know how, like, if, yeah, I don't know how to get in touch with a direct super chat.
It's a challenge.
Like, how could we, how could we, how can we send Dylan Hale 10 grand for his book?
ian crossland
Well, Dylan should submit a business proposal.
kash patel
And is there like a general inbox that you can go pull it out of for someone to look at?
tim pool
No, we don't have anything set up yet.
phil labonte
Just to get information, you can send a DM my Twitter account.
ian crossland
That works.
phil labonte
Yeah, DM me.
I'm philthatremains on Twitter.
Send me a DM and I can get the information to Tim.
tim pool
Dylan Hale.
They're open?
Yeah, my DMs are open.
So, Dylan Hale, if you are listening, contact PhilVetRemains on Twitter, and then he will get the message to me.
The challenge for me is that if I tell you to email me, I'll get 8,000 emails by tomorrow, and I won't be able to go through any of them.
kash patel
No, yeah, I get that.
phil labonte
Everyone else can follow me, too, you know.
ian crossland
Yeah, PhilVetRemains.
tim pool
So, Phil will have to go through the 8,000 emails.
kash patel
DMs, the 8,000 DMs.
tim pool
And then, Dylan, we'll send you 10 grand.
phil labonte
And don't do like you do here.
Count Dankula and send me pictures of your testicles.
kash patel
Please don't do that.
unidentified
Why would you say that?
tim pool
Assuming you are working on a book and we think the book is a valuable cultural thing, which I assume it is, we'll send you the ten grand to help you make it.
And then we will do that as a statement of we are fully intending to invest in culture and give back to help these projects take off and then win the culture award.
ian crossland
Make sure it's not vaporware.
You gotta prove it.
tim pool
Show me.
Exactly, exactly.
Cause everybody in their, you know, everybody's gonna try and pull off some kind of like, oh yeah, I'm working on something.
Give me money and they see me at the casino.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
phil labonte
Oh, I'm working on your mom.
kash patel
But if it's a book about graphene, I think Ian will just, you know, automatically buy it.
ian crossland
Yeah, we should start pulling carbon dioxide out of the air and turning it into graphene.
kash patel
We're gonna be like... Ian, number one seller tomorrow.
tim pool
Ian, you're in charge of the show where we invest in cultural products.
Like, yeah, yeah, okay.
And then every proposal is graphene.
ian crossland
Yeah, graphene hair, hair products.
tim pool
Graphene guitars.
kash patel
What else is there?
ian crossland
Oh, I'm not wearing my graphene shirt.
unidentified
I have one.
tim pool
Ian, do you have any proposals that aren't about graphene?
And he's just like, I hope not for the paper.
kash patel
Nine out of ten books just went out the window.
ian crossland
On graphene paper, by the way.
tim pool
Wait, wait, hold on.
This one is about a guy who wants to do a podcast about graphene.
So it's not literal graphene.
ian crossland
Sold.
tim pool
But yeah, so Dylan, if you're listening, you can message Phil.
That remains on Twitter.
The Fluffy Hobo Show says, I've been working on getting a daily show going.
So the idea of a Tim Grant sounds awesome.
Maybe look at making it an investment rather than a gift or donation.
It depends.
We could totally do investments and that would be fantastic as well.
So that actually might make sense.
We might just do it as like an investment because then it makes more sense business-wise.
Depends.
And I would say this, as for whatever we end up doing, it will strongly lean not towards commentary.
Or like talk shows.
Because we got a lot of those already.
We are literally one.
What we need is probably game design.
That's huge.
Make video games that have values of meritocracy.
None of these weird games where it's like walking simulator stuff.
kash patel
Like the Metaverse.
tim pool
Oh, that's creepy.
But comic books, movies, short films, you know, that kind of stuff.
I'm sure there's a bunch of other stuff.
ian crossland
Clothing design would be cool.
tim pool
Yeah, clothing design.
Skate culture stuff, skateboards, whatever.
Yeah, cartoons.
Freedom tunes like stuff, you know, whatever.
ian crossland
If you build, like if you're in architecture and you build stuff, that's pretty cool.
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, who knows?
We might be surprised by the stuff that people present to us and be like, we never even considered that could be a thing to do and let's do it, you know?
Maybe you want to build a statue.
phil labonte
Yeah, I was just thinking like maybe there's someone out there that's like a really nasty sculptor, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Sculptor, not sculpture.
tim pool
And then we can like, you know, one idea we had was we wanted to crowdsource buying a big plot of land, like 200 acres.
And then creating, like, a public space where people can put things in, like, you know, like a park of some sort, privately-owned public space.
kash patel
Like a giant time capsule?
tim pool
No, no, just like a space where, like, everybody would buy a plot of the land, a piece of it.
kash patel
Oh, I see, okay.
tim pool
And it would be a community-owned thing where anyone could go and build statues and just make a big park, you know.
That way we control cultural spaces, you know.
phil labonte
All right, what do we got?
tim pool
Gigoku says, Tim, there were two guys who killed a bald eagle with the intent on eating it.
They were let go, and the feds let them go.
kash patel
That's a felony.
tim pool
Yeah, there you go.
phil labonte
That's a felony.
tim pool
Nicholas Button says, question about the money.
I'm from Australia, take pity on me, and I'm currently working on a classless TTRPG, tabletop role-playing game, classless sci-fi D&D, and I was wondering if I would be able to apply, or would the money only be applicable to those in the USA?
I'm not entirely sure.
It depends on the legality of it.
So it sounds like, someone already mentioned, we'll need judging criteria to make it a contest.
And then I imagine we would have outside advisors choose who the winners are, so it wouldn't be anything related to us, so there's no collusion or anything like that.
But, uh, I don't see why Australia couldn't, you know, win or whatever.
If you're a member of the show, if you watch the show, and you're supporting us, I don't see why you wouldn't be eligible, but I could call my lawyer tomorrow and he might be like, no, no, no, no, no, only Americans.
There's a way forward.
laws in Australia, you know, things like that.
We'll see.
For all I know, I call my accountant and my lawyer and they say, are you nuts?
You can't do that.
And then I'm like, really?
You know, that sucks.
kash patel
There's a way forward.
phil labonte
There's a way forward.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
I don't think it's that complicated because, yeah.
I think if it's like a month, if you're a member of the site,
you can submit, you know, ideas.
Maybe we do it as an investment, and then that's completely straightforward.
kash patel
There's always a way to do it.
Well, excuse me, my allergies are kicking my butt.
ian crossland
Pollination.
kash patel
Yeah, it's bad.
ian crossland
It was pollen.
kash patel
But look, we figured it out, right?
We were like, how do we help whistleblowers?
Oh, let's go pay whistleblowers.
The lawyers were like, you can't go pay the whistleblowers.
Okay, so how does the foundation help whistleblowers?
They said, once they're established and come forward with proven information that they submit to Congress, you can provide them with financial assistance.
tim pool
I think investment makes it the easiest thing possible.
kash patel
Same thing, right?
tim pool
Like a 1% stake for $10,000 or whatever.
And then the best part is, you get some ridiculous evaluation based on that investment.
kash patel
Or they submit their final product to you, and they say, this is what we want to do.
And then you're like, oh, you're a winner.
Here, go fund your already Yeah.
tim pool
I think if we get something in exchange, we don't gotta worry about rules or anything like that.
phil labonte
You call it, Tim Fund Me.
kash patel
Oh, well that's different, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, if we say like, we'll take 5% or 1% Well that's what the Shark Tank guys do, right?
unidentified
Right.
kash patel
They take a piece of the action.
tim pool
Then it's just, submit it to your ideas and maybe we'll invest.
kash patel
Well if it's a non-profit, then I think the only other thing you gotta do if you're doing Shark Tank for non-profits, then what do you do with the percentage you have?
tim pool
Well, no, we're... TimCast is a for-profit company.
kash patel
No, TimCast.
tim pool
So I'm saying if we just did it as... If the company just invested in it, then... Yeah, you could do that.
That's the easiest way to do it, probably.
And that makes the most business sense.
ian crossland
We're not just throwing money out, you know, at people and saying... But it is a lot of liability for the company, if it takes on another... more investments.
tim pool
Sort of.
Owning a piece of a company... Yeah.
We're gonna talk to the lawyer about it, for sure.
But, you know... Maybe we'll have to make a company that does holdings, specifically for this.
Some kind of culture war.
You know?
I bet between the two of us, you probably more than me, know enough rich people to create a culture war investment fund.
kash patel
I'm in.
Let's do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
kash patel
I'm not kidding.
I'll call five donors tomorrow.
tim pool
Yeah, let's do it.
And then we'll try and figure out how to invest more into people who are building culture.
kash patel
And it doesn't take a lot.
Like these guys are saying on your Super Chats, five, 10 grand, that's a lot of money to get someone going on just a little project.
And some of the bigger projects would be like 20, 25 grand.
tim pool
Really what it comes down to is, Oscar Gonzalez real quick asks, is it only eligible to the U.S.?
I think the answer is no, but we'll see.
I gotta talk to the lawyers.
But the simple thing is, we may get a hundred submissions.
We may eventually fund a hundred projects.
Only one of them works.
That's the reality.
It's a scattershot.
Someone writes a song, and then it just takes off, and we're like, we did not think that was gonna be the one.
I mean, actually, Phil, has it happened to you guys?
Like, you think one song is gonna be the hit, and then it turns out the other song was the hit?
phil labonte
So there's this song that people are very familiar with called Six from a record called The Fall of Ideals, and That was the first song that we ever put on a video game.
They called me up.
I'm like 30 years old They're like yo, we're gonna put your song in a video game I'm like that is the coolest thing that I've heard in my life And I figured it was gonna be the single the song called this calling and they're like we're gonna do six I'm like, you know that song starts with double bass a blast beat and me screaming my head off and they're like, yes I'm like you're crazy, but that's awesome.
I just wanted on a video game and then the song turned and became huge and Huge, huge.
tim pool
I've heard a bunch of stories from people who are like, this was the song we thought was gonna be the one, and then for some reason it was this one we thought was like a B-side.
Actually, I think a good example of that is Metric, the song Black Sheep.
I guess the story, I could be getting this wrong, but it was in Scott Pilgrim vs. the World, and they were asked by the people making the movie if they had a song they could use, and they said, well, here's one we weren't gonna put on the album, it didn't fit, and now it's their biggest song.
So it's like, you never know.
Anyway, that's the point though.
We'll take a bunch of investments, and the reality is, maybe your idea doesn't take off.
That's the unfortunate reality.
But, eventually someone's gonna hit it, and then we're gonna start winning that culture war, so.
ian crossland
Sergeant Beck wants to call it GoFundYourself.
phil labonte
Maybe call it TimFundMe.
tim pool
No, GoFundYourself is good.
phil labonte
That's great.
tim pool
GoFundYourself.
Alright everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com for my birthday, would you not?
It's coming up on Thursday, but we're gonna have a members-only show with Cash.
We will have that on the front page of the website in about 10 or so minutes.
We're gonna wrap this show up.
Everyone's gonna go to the bathroom, grab something to drink.
We'll be setting up the live show for members only, and we hope to see you there.
You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.
You can follow me personally at TimCast.
Cash, do you want to shout anything out?
kash patel
I appreciate you guys having me.
Go to governmentgangsters.com, get my pre-order to check out The Truth.
Donald Trump launched the book for pre-sale.
He calls it The Blueprint for Winning Back the White House and Returning the Agencies and Departments to Serve the American People.
ian crossland
Where can people find you on social media?
kash patel
One place.
I'm on Truth Social, at Cash, at K-A-S-H.
Check us out.
Check out the policy videos we're putting out and all the fun we're having at just throwing paint up against everything.
ian crossland
I also want to point people at thecashfoundation.com.
kash patel
Thank you.
Yeah, that's the best thing I do, honestly, literally.
To get people together, to provide financial assistance, to whistleblowers, to Jan Six families in need, to if you're being sued and you need a legal defense, we'll pay for it, active duty service members, it all goes back into the 501c3, the Cash Foundation.
And we got some cool merch, check it out.
Thank you guys.
phil labonte
I am Phil Labonte, lead singer of All That Remains.
I'm PhilThatRemains on Twitter.
I'm PhilThatRemainsOfficial on Instagram.
And listen, chat, even if I don't wear the white hat anymore, I still already purchased it, alright?
kash patel
Wait, Phil, we gotta get you on Truth Social.
phil labonte
Oh, I'm PhilThatRemains on Truth Social as well.
unidentified
No, there you go.
ian crossland
I think we need to get a true social account.
I might have talked to you about that.
Maybe I have one.
unidentified
I don't know yet.
kash patel
We'll set it up.
ian crossland
What's up, everybody?
Ian Crossland here.
Remember, when you're building culture, it can be a little confusing, like, how do I do that?
But when a culture grows, it's because there are things in it that are duplicating.
So you want to make the thing.
Focus on the thing.
Focus on the song or the chair or the house, whatever you're building.
And the culture is the result of the growth of that.
So keep building stuff.
I'll see you later.
phil labonte
Yeah, that was cool.
unidentified
Cool show.
Yeah.
I hope you guys follow me on Twitter.
I never thought I'd have 5,000 people following me on Twitter.
It's kind of crazy.
kash patel
Right on.
phil labonte
Serge Hyde.
Yeah, Serge Hyde.
unidentified
We'll do that, Serge Hyde.
phil labonte
Hassan!
unidentified
Yeah, Hassan Piker.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
We will see you all over at TimCast.com in about 10 minutes for the live, uncensored, members-only portion of the show.
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