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March 5, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| same kind of studio monitor system that YouTube does that shows us the live and then you press | ||
| go live. | ||
| So we press go live with our broadcasting software and then I actually just don't know if we're live or not. | ||
| So I just start talking. | ||
| But, you know, the assumption is we are. | ||
| And so here we are. | ||
| And we're going to talk about we got this crazy story about from the Daily Mail exclusive. | ||
| Chicago inmates claim jail guards are pressuring them to illegally vote in the mayoral election. | ||
| Well, how about that one? | ||
| So, Serge is currently not in the room, I don't know where he's at. | ||
| But he'll press the buttons when he gets back, I'm pretty sure. | ||
| Check out this story, and then we can just leave it here and start talking about it. | ||
| So, you get Donald Trump, you get Republicans, MAGA, everybody's talking about illegally voting and all that stuff, and the concerns about elections. | ||
| There's a viral video coming from the Cary Lake camp of a guy saying he's spending his own time and money trying to get to the bottom of this election stuff because he cares about this country. | ||
| Take a look at this story. | ||
| Chicago inmates have claimed they are being pressured to illegally vote in the city's mayoral election. | ||
| The inmates, some of whom are accused of murder, argued guards at Cook County Jail were pushing them to vote despite some of them being registered in a different jurisdiction. | ||
| They claimed the guards were receiving orders from higher-ups and were, quote, just doing what I'm told when confronted over the move. | ||
| It comes amid fears of ballot harvesting, as insiders claimed the jail was the ideal environment due to no cameras or election observers. | ||
| Holy shit. | ||
| It also raised concerns it could propel Lori Lightfoot back into office despite her languishing on just 13% in the polls. | ||
| They're outright saying they're ballot harvesting in prisons to support the Democrat candidate in Chicago. | ||
| I, when I heard this, shocked me. | ||
| I thought this, I was like, OK, prisoners are saying this. | ||
| Let's let's investigate. | ||
| But apparently the guards acknowledged that, yes, they're doing what they were told in their attempt to ballot harvest. | ||
| Who told them? | ||
| I just I just kind of feel like You know, I say it all the time, the night is always darkest before the dawn. | ||
| What that really means is, shit's gonna hit the fan and you better be ready to start rebuilding, cause work is gonna be hard. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Hard times. | ||
| Hard times are coming. | ||
| So I hope you guys have downloaded some survival guides, gotten out of the cities. | ||
| It is kind of crazy to me how many people will say stuff like, I've not gotten out of the city because it's too difficult. | ||
| And I'm kind of like, maybe, like I get that it is difficult, but I know a lot of people who got out of cities and have really cut their costs. | ||
| Quality of life went down a little bit, but I mean, look, if you want to live in the city and you want to wait for whatever the fuck is coming to come, I'm not going to tell you how to live your life, man. | ||
| Do your thing. | ||
| But, uh, I don't know. | ||
| What do you think? | ||
| Do you think, get out of the cities? | ||
| Where are you? | ||
| Are you in the cities? | ||
| I mean, I almost moved to downtown Detroit, uh, back, you know, when I was looking for a house originally, because it was up and coming at the time. | ||
| There were good deals. | ||
| It was, uh, You know, they had all these loft apartments and they were doing some cool things down there. | ||
| And in retrospect, I'm so glad I didn't do that. | ||
| I managed to find a couple acres of property in a good city in an area where I would never be able to afford it now. | ||
| It just happened to be the end of the of the housing crash. | ||
| You know, it was like 2010 where we were just starting to come back up from the housing crash. | ||
| So, you know, I wish I had 40 acres, 20 miles further west of where I'm at. | ||
| But Yeah, man, it's, you just, you can't imagine the amount of chaos that would happen in even, I mean, right now, Michigan had a bad weather storm last week, and like, my neighbor hasn't had power for six days at this point, seven days, he's running on a generator, that's fine. | ||
| But when you do that in a major Metropolitan area with high-rise apartment buildings and you know Not everybody can just go plug a generator and everybody's on city water. | ||
| Everybody's on city sewer Like that's gonna be a fucking nightmare and If you think this is what I suggest everybody read who lives in a city You need to read a book called shit hits the fans stories by selco Begovic you can buy it on Amazon and This guy lived in Bosnia during the Bosnian Civil War and it's basically just a diary of all the things that he saw and It's fucking unreal. | ||
| I mean, you know, he'll be like telling he'll start a story off with I heard a song on the radio today and it reminded me of when I was trapped in this building because I was like out searching for food and this Roving band of people came in so I had to hide under some rubble and I sat there for two days while they raped four women and all I could hear was them screaming and then they killed him and | ||
| They kept playing this song on their Walkman as they were doing it. | ||
| And he's like, now every time I hear that song on the radio, that's the only thing I can think of. | ||
| And it's like, that's the kind of world that you guys are going to, like, the people, anti-gun people are so funny to me because They just don't understand how the world works without guns, right? | ||
| Like why did we develop guns? | ||
| We developed guns because at some point some small caveman got sick of getting his ass kicked by the big caveman and he picked up a rock and he fucking hit him in the head and he killed him with it and then eventually he decided I can hit him from with this rock from 10 feet away and it's much safer and then I can sharpen this rock and put it at the end of a stick and And I can hit him from 50 yards away. | ||
| Then eventually he took certain parts of, core elements of a rock, melted them all together to make a very small, dense rock. | ||
| A small but very fast rock, exactly. | ||
| Human beings are different than apes because our shoulders are designed to throw objects. | ||
| That's a specific functional difference in the design of our shoulder capsule versus primates. | ||
| Theirs were meant to hang more and ours were meant to wind up and throw things. It's built | ||
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Guns? | |
| into our DNA. So the point is like, if you don't have a gun when the shit hits the fan and you're | ||
| small or incapable or whatever, like you're going to be the first to die. | ||
| Guns are just the modernized rock throwing. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's like the story. | ||
| I read the story. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I was talking about how first I got picked up a rock and hit somebody with it. | ||
| Then he threw the rock. | ||
| Then they put small rocks on the ends of sticks and started throwing the sticks and they got the bow and arrow. | ||
| It's all about taking rocks. | ||
| Eventually get to the point where we're smelting metals and we're making different kinds of rocks. | ||
| And a gun takes a tiny, small, dense piece of matter and propels it. | ||
| Real fast rock. | ||
| I think about that and I'm like, then what's the next level? | ||
| If we went from picking up rock and throwing it to bow and arrow, spear, whatever, and now we're at a combustion-propelled rock, spinning it for accuracy and then ripping it through someone's body, what's the next level in rock throwing? | ||
| I mean, there's guys working on that. | ||
| There's a guy that was at the Guns and Bitcoin Conference that was working on like piezoelectric primers. | ||
| He's trying to, because primers have always been the one chink in the supply chain, right? | ||
| They're very hard to make. | ||
| And so, because it's real chemistry, they're very small, you gotta make them and they're very precise. | ||
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Why? | |
| It's just not something your average person can make. | ||
| The chemicals needed for it. | ||
| The chemical compounds. | ||
| Are harder than say, just standard smokeless powder. | ||
| Yeah, like lead azide and stuff. | ||
| It's nasty chemicals, they're very volatile. | ||
| But all you need to do is ignite the. | ||
| Yeah, you need to ignite the powder. | ||
| So his Twitter handle is Suckaboy Tony. | ||
| And he was like, you know, I made this Twitter handle before I ever thought I was going to be doing anything important. | ||
| So now I'm like, I'm developing this stuff and my name is like Suckaboy Tony. | ||
| Really cool guy. | ||
| But anyway, he's developing piezoelectric primers, trying to get like electronic ignition. | ||
| And so then, you know, the next evolution is, I don't know, Elon invents some kind of laser gun that's solar powered. | ||
| I'm gonna want that then, and that's gonna invalidate all the previous gun laws because they're all designed around... A beach trip turned breakdown is a drag. | ||
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| You know, powder and combustion and projectiles and so. | ||
| I think ballistics will stick around, though, because even in space combat, we'll have electric weaponry that'll be absorbable by shields, and then we'll need ballistics that shields can't stop. | ||
| Yeah, it'll be a long time before we can get fully away from ballistics, I agree. | ||
| And it's funny, the word ballistic has ball at the very center, which is ballistic, you know? | ||
| Here's what it's gonna be. | ||
| We're gonna teleport the rock right into their body. | ||
| And then pull it back to you very quickly? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it'll just be like you'll have this canister you're holding on the sides with the bullet in it and you'll aim it and click it and it'll just warp in and out and the person will just collapse. | ||
| Collapse. | ||
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What's the modern day bayonet? | |
| You know how we used to need bayonets because eventually you get into close combat? | ||
| Is there something that will eventually drop off the sidearm? | ||
| Most people in the military, I mean yeah, if you talk to real military people they'll tell you like if you're using your handgun like you've got real problems. | ||
| So how many people get stabbed in modern combat? | ||
| Not many, aside from a very particular circumstance where you have to be quiet and making noise would be a bad thing, or you're literally on your last ditch effort. | ||
| But I don't think they even issue bayonets anymore. | ||
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No, I just meant like what's the technology that they will take off of guns? | |
| Like we don't need it anymore. | ||
| Well, you know, optics are changing. | ||
| So, um, for example, like, you know, a lot of people don't have iron sights on their rifles anymore because iron sights are like, you know, the standard, like the post and you got to line up, you know, so now everything is modern optics where you have like a red dot or a scope or something like that. | ||
| And the technology on those is getting robust enough that they can survive, um, you know, excessive forces and being dropped. | ||
| The batteries are lasting longer. | ||
| Some of them, um, are powered by fiber optics and solar so you're getting away from batteries entirely so there are a lot of people that don't like there's sort of this movement and people are well you got to have backup sites because what happens if your optic breaks and then the other half is like well even if the optic breaks I can still see through the glass and so if you if you train that way and you know that you know the the glass and the optic is this big | ||
| And I know that from here to that door, let's say, if I see the guy in the window, I'm going to pull the trigger. | ||
| Do I hit him exactly where I want to? | ||
| No, but if it's two inches high, it's not that big of a deal from 15 feet. | ||
| Have you seen the show Last of Us? | ||
| No, I haven't. | ||
| You know what it's about? | ||
| Yeah, I know the premise of it, yeah. | ||
| So it's like, I think it's what, 20 years? | ||
| It's the cordyceps mushroom. | ||
| And it like takes place, I think like 20 years after civilization has collapsed. | ||
| And so there's a scene where he's got some kind of AR and he stores it, you know, in the floor of some abandoned building. | ||
| And Ellie, the chick, she's like, why? | ||
| And he's like, not a lot of ammo for these things these days. | ||
| So he's just getting rid of it. | ||
| I'm curious as somebody who makes ammo, what would happen if society broke down to this degree? | ||
| How hard would it be for you to make ammo for a modern rifle? | ||
| Like let's say you needed to make a 5.56. | ||
| Would you be able to do it on your own? | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, functionally, no. | ||
| Primers. | ||
| Yeah, you can't make the primer. | ||
| You can't make the smokeless powder. | ||
| I mean, again, that's real chemistry. | ||
| You're talking about... You're going to be using one of those motherfuckers over there. | ||
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Oh, the musket? | |
| The muzzle-loaded Civil War musket I got. | ||
| Yeah, like, you can make black powder. | ||
| Have we ever showed that on the show? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Because we're not allowed to show it on YouTube, I don't think. | ||
| That's so crazy. | ||
| I'll go grab it. | ||
| It's a nice looking weapon. | ||
| Talk about guns, I'll grab it. | ||
| I mean, it would take a while for us to get through when you think, you know, there's like 100 million gun owners in the United States, about 30% of the population. | ||
| And if that 100 million gun owners each collectively owns only, only 100 rounds of ammunition, that's a billion rounds, right? | ||
| Is that camera off? | ||
| Yeah, I'll turn that one on. | ||
| So, in the hands of the civilian population in the United States, there's likely more than a trillion rounds of ammunition, would be the low-end estimate. | ||
| If there was a situation where the population, like if society had fallen, we can't manufacture ammo, how many dollars, assuming the dollar's worth what it's worth right now, today, on February 27th, 2023, how many dollars would a bullet be worth? | ||
| I mean, if there's no supply left? | ||
| Yeah, no one had bullets. | ||
| I mean, like, at that point, the question isn't how many dollars is it worth? | ||
| The question is, like, how many Bic lighters is it worth? | ||
| How many cans of sardines is it worth? | ||
| I mean, again, read Chit Hits the Fan Stories, and you'll kind of get what I'm saying, because that's the reality of it. | ||
| Like, these guys were bartering. | ||
| This is the Bosnian Civil War. | ||
| I mean, this occurred in Sarajevo, which hosted the Olympics only four or five years prior to a literal, full-out civil war. | ||
| So, it's a good measure for what you could expect to see in an American city, because it was pretty much a first world city when it was going on. | ||
| And so, that's what he talks about is, like, the value of something is only what it's worth. | ||
| And so, if you're starving and hungry, then a bullet is worth nothing, but a chocolate bar is worth everything. | ||
| Were people trading bullets in Syria? | ||
| Yeah, they were. | ||
| And, you know, that country didn't have the same proliferation of weapons that we have here. | ||
| So, some people had weapons, some people didn't. | ||
| But they were trading everything for everything. | ||
| I mean they were trading sex, they were trading companionship, they were trading ammunition, food, whatever it took. | ||
| A lot of his stories are him meeting up for somebody to trade something for something and The lesson is like you have to understand what you're getting yourself into if you're like you never bring everything you have to the meeting Because that's when you get killed, right? | ||
| I mean that's when they see that you're the guy with 15 cans of sardines And so yeah, you do the trade and then they follow you back to your place and then they fucking kill you that uh That is a rifled musket. | ||
| It's a model. | ||
| Yeah model 1861 I think it is Uh, rifled musket, muzzle loaded, 50 cal. | ||
| I think we, it's never been fired before. | ||
| That's a, uh, that rifle was surplus Union military, and so they had like 10,000 of them made, put them in storage, never got to use them, the war ended, and now there's a bunch of these that float around. | ||
| I was able to get one at an antique shop, they're pretty cool. | ||
| But, uh, in the event, I was reading about it, because I also have this thing behind me, which is, uh, it's real. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| It's a, it's a, it's a real, I don't, I don't, like, I'm not gonna tell YouTube that, I guess. | ||
| But, uh... It's antique firearm. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| It's legally classified that way, but it's actually a modern, sporting, muzzle-loaded .50 caliber. | ||
| Luke got it for me for my birthday, and it's not classified as a gun. | ||
| So it is real, but it is not legally a gun. | ||
| The crazy thing, it came by USPS. | ||
| It's legally classified as antique, even though it's used. | ||
| Antique firearm, yeah, because of the technology, right? | ||
| Yeah, Silencer Co. | ||
| was trying to, I don't think that they have it anymore, but they were selling basically a muzzle-loader musket But this is the best part, with an integrated silencer. | ||
| And because it was all one piece, they could legally ship it to your house. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because the definition of silencer didn't include... I can't remember exactly what the language was, but more or less you could sell it directly to somebody. | ||
| I started looking up, how would you make black powder in the event shit hits the fan? | ||
| And it's like, bat shit? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| It's bat shit? | ||
| That was in the Anarchist Cookbook. | ||
| What do you need? | ||
| Saltpeter or something like that? | ||
| Yeah, saltpeter. | ||
| Ammonium nitrate? | ||
| Yeah, ammonium nitrate. | ||
| I mean, back in my misspent youth, that was the big thing in the 90s. | ||
| That was like the first book. | ||
| Yeah, sulfur, I think. | ||
| That was like the first book. | ||
| Potassium permanganate, maybe. | ||
| It's not like it's easy, but it's something a single person can do. | ||
| Yeah, you can do it for sure. | ||
| Yeah, that was the big thing. | ||
| What's smokeless powder made of, though? | ||
| You couldn't do that, right? | ||
| You couldn't. | ||
| Again, that's like real chemistry. | ||
| Crazy. | ||
| Just no way to do it. | ||
| But, uh, if you had, if you found an old rifled musket, you could make the black powder and you could make some rudimentary firearm. | ||
| You know what the first revolver was? | ||
| It was muzzle loaded. | ||
| Yep, muzzleload the cylinder or whatever, and then you would fire it, flintlock, and then rotate it. | ||
| It might have been percussion cap, but I think it might have been flintlock actually. | ||
| No, it had to be percussion cap, and you would hand rotate it. | ||
| You'd fire, and then you'd spin it, and then you'd fire, and then you'd spin it. | ||
| And then there were, back in the 1300s, they had what I refer to as fully automatic. | ||
| But I had a bunch of gun nuts be like, it's not fully automatic and that's not what it means. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| What they would do is they would have like 12 barrels. | ||
| They would all be muzzle loaded. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And then a single pull would fire all of them. | ||
| And I'm like, that's close enough to full auto. | ||
| You know what I'm trying to say, you know, come on. | ||
| You know, but they were like, no, that's not. | ||
| I mean, when all the ammunition is running, it runs out, then people are going to be killing each other with like potato guns. | ||
| You know, they're going to put a heavy object into a tube of some kind with any kind of propellant. | ||
| I mean, again, that's what we did when we were kids. | ||
| You put used, you know, hairspray and some PVC tubes. | ||
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The rubber band guns. | |
| Yeah, rubber band guns. | ||
| Yeah, that's like the most. | ||
| Rubber band. | ||
| We have those downstairs where you put the rubber bands and it's a full auto or it's semi-automatic. | ||
| You can go click, click, click and it fires all the rubber bands at people. | ||
| How do the potato guns work? | ||
| I mean, it's just a PVC tube. | ||
| You put a potato in one end, you cap off the other end, and then you have a hole where you use like hairspray or something that's flammable, but not like particularly explosive, let's say. | ||
| And you light it with a match and it expands, gases expand, and it propels the potato. | ||
| A tennis ball or whatever you want. | ||
| Tyler Smith says, LARPing with a musket. | ||
| LARPing? | ||
| I bought an antique. | ||
| I bought an antique. | ||
| I like antiques. | ||
| But someone also, let me make sure I get your name in here, who suggested this. | ||
| Lynch Mob says, compound bow, you can always reuse arrows. | ||
| Yeah, so I actually last year, I used to, we have a couple of compound bows | ||
| and we have a compound, we have some recurve, we have some composites. | ||
| I have a Hungarian traditional composite bow and it's just like, you know, it's weak as shit. | ||
| Small. | ||
| But the compound, I used to go up, and I actually got pretty good not knowing what the fuck I was doing with that thing. | ||
| And, you know, probably the sights didn't work or anything, so it was never calibrated properly, but I could stand on the balcony, and this is probably like, what do you think that is, 150 yards? | ||
| To the target? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Maybe a hundred yards. | ||
| A hundred yards? | ||
| And I could hit like, I could hit a six inch target, maybe like one in four with a compound bow. | ||
| The, uh, the, the, what do we have? | ||
| Like we have, oh no, no, no. | ||
| The six inch target I could hit like every time. | ||
| We had a smaller one that I hit like one in four and it would go bing! | ||
| And I actually was, I'd go out every morning and I would just fire off a bunch of arrows at it. | ||
| It was awesome. | ||
| That was so much fun. | ||
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Maybe schools should start requiring kids to do an archery course instead of gym class. | |
| My high school did. | ||
| They used to have gun class. | ||
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4-H still does. | |
| There are shooting teams and stuff, but it would be harder to get guns into public schools. | ||
| But my public high school did archery in lieu of gym. | ||
| It's like basics of self-defense. | ||
| Public schools in Detroit that had gun ranges like in the basement. | ||
| It used to be a part. | ||
| I mean, I learned how to shoot in Cub Scout. | ||
| Did you see the Australian guy who had a gun range in his basement? | ||
| That was awesome. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Whoa, man. | ||
| That was badass. | ||
| Yeah, in his basement, he had a thing that like the Couch lifted up, went underground, shooting tunnel, arsenal | ||
| and they caught him. | ||
| And I guess he's not going to jail, they just find him and took his shit from him. | ||
| They took his guns, yeah. | ||
| Fucking Australia. | ||
| I know a guy who's in the construction industry and he built an indoor range in the basement | ||
| of some $4 million house or whatever and they dug along, it was only maybe 25 yards I think, | ||
| but it's all concrete so it's pretty much soundproof and it's in his... | ||
| Don't you need to go in the tunnel to fix it and clean it periodically and stuff? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know exactly how he designed it particularly, but depending on the trap, I mean, it's all about volume. | ||
| I mean, your gun range trap's taking hundreds of thousands of bullets a month, and so there's a lot of maintenance. | ||
| But a rubber bullet trap is pretty... I've got a rubber bullet trap in my garage that I'll use unofficially to test things. | ||
| And it's basically just a garbage can full of rubber playground mulch. | ||
| It costs me like 50 bucks to build. | ||
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Really? | |
| It'll stop everything up to like 30-06. | ||
| Oh, wow. | ||
| Do you actually use rubber bullets in testing? | ||
| No, no, it's real bullets. | ||
| It's hitting rubber? | ||
| It's hitting rubber. | ||
| That's what's at the end of the berms. | ||
| It's basically just rubber playground mulch in a lot of cases, and it slows down the bullet if you have enough depth. | ||
| Is there any way to reuse a bullet? | ||
| I mean, theoretically, if you shot it into sand or rubber or something where it was completely undeformed, I mean, it would have rifling in it from the barrel you shot it through. | ||
| So, you know, could you reload that and shoot it again? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, what would your accuracy be? | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| But if you needed to do it to shoot somebody at 10 feet, you know, right. | ||
| I should I have the shotguns are more fun. | ||
| Yeah, I have this little single shot pistol that has no rifling in the barrel at all. | ||
| And it was kind of designed by this weird guy. | ||
| It's really cool. | ||
| Actually, I bought it just from the novelty. | ||
| But Yeah, 20 feet. | ||
| I mean, I'm not going to stand in front of it. | ||
| Exotic shotgun shells are just way better and way more fun. | ||
| Like, I am keeping up the range on fire, which I mean, don't drag the dragon's breath. | ||
| Luke bought some and we went to the range when it was covered in snow because, like, you know, you don't want to take a drag when it's dry out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| For those unfamiliar or an indoor range ever. | ||
| It's a shotgun shell. | ||
| It's full of magnesium, I think. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So it sprays flaming metal. | ||
| Right. | ||
| It's pretty badass. | ||
| Yeah, there's uh We ordered a bunch of exotic rounds a while ago, and they've got what is it? | ||
| What is it called? | ||
| Lashay or something? | ||
| Flushay rounds. | ||
| Flushay rounds, that's one. | ||
| Yeah, like it's like blades, right? | ||
| Little darts or blades. | ||
| Yeah Yeah, so you it's a shotgun shell full of blades and needles and you shoot them and it just sticks and it's Flushay, not Flushet. | ||
| I think it's cliché. | ||
| I could be wrong. | ||
| It's French, so I think it's cliché. | ||
| I've been thinking about getting a shotgun. | ||
| There's a bunch of weird shit you can get. | ||
| I think shotgun's the way to go. | ||
| Is it that they don't care about the NFA and all that shit? | ||
| You don't want a shotgun, bro. | ||
| Yeah, shotguns, the methodology on that is changing. | ||
| It used to be, oh, get a shotgun because you got a big spread. | ||
| Here's the deal. | ||
| At about 30 feet, the spread out of a shotgun with double-aught buckshot is only maybe about three inches. | ||
| It's not as big as you think it is. | ||
| And 30 feet is longer than the hallway in most people I mean my house I've got a kind of like an open floor plan house and end to end it's only maybe 35 feet so the spread isn't as big as and the recoil the recoil is pretty bad semi-auto shotguns aren't terrible but the recoil is tough the round count is low you know a semi-auto shotgun is going to have maybe six plus one eight plus one They're heavy, and they're long, and they're unwieldy. | ||
| I mean, really what you want is a short-barreled rifle, which is why the NFA needs to be repealed. | ||
| It shouldn't exist. | ||
| We're regulating modern firearms based on a law that was written in the 1930s. | ||
| For your house, would you rather have like a Remington 12-gauge, or would you rather have like a Ruger 10-22? | ||
| I mean, given those two, I'd probably take the, me personally, I would take the shotgun for sure. | ||
| Cause I've trained with a shotgun. | ||
| Single shot probably ends it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I'm thinking about like, if I have a shotgun in my house. | ||
| Oh, I'm sorry. | ||
| You said single. | ||
| Well then I'm taking the Ruger 1022. | ||
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| I'm saying you finish the job with one shot. | ||
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| But like, you're going to have like six shells, whereas the Ruger 1022, you could have like 60. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, if you're crazy, you have like a hundred round drum, which probably going to jam, I'd imagine. | ||
| But I'm thinking about if I have a gun in my house, something that anybody could pick up and probably use without really worrying about it, and you've got 30 rounds in a Ruger 10-22, you're gonna... I feel like the average person defending... You could probably deal with that. | ||
| Yeah, like people don't realize when Biden was like, get a shotgun, fire it in the air, like a fucking idiot. | ||
| The average person who's, they think shotguns are like good home defense. | ||
| It's like, you better be ready for a buckshot recoil. | ||
| It's not the same. | ||
| Plus the noise. | ||
| Like I can tell you this, as somebody who has fired a shotgun inside of an enclosed space with no hearing protection, you're fucked. | ||
| I mean, it like, and again, that's why we should be deregulating suppressors. | ||
| That's why I've got a suppressor on my, the rifle that I've got in my bedroom because When I shoot somebody, I'm going to have to call the cops. | ||
| And I'm going to have to be able to hear them. | ||
| I'm going to have to be able to take direction. | ||
| I may have to communicate with the person I just shot, my family, my neighbors, who knows? | ||
| This is the thing people don't understand. | ||
| Like, uh, I'm watching Yellowstone cause I have to make sure everybody knows, but there's a scene where someone shoots a horse and he just walks up, pulls out a gun and shoots it right there with like no hearing protection or anything. | ||
| And it's like, I get he's outside. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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But still, it's like... It's still loud outside. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| And indoors, I mean, it's absolutely deafening. | ||
| I mean, you can't even imagine. | ||
| What's your ideal home defense? | ||
| Would it be short-barreled rifle, 9mm frangible or something like that? | ||
| Yeah, not frangible. | ||
| 55-grain .223 is designed to fragment. | ||
| I mean, 55-grain standard FMJ, 55-grain .223 will penetrate fewer walls than a 9mm. | ||
| You'd rather use that inside your house? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Is it a little bit more powerful? | ||
| Like, it's not going to go through the walls? | ||
| Do you think it's a better choice? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| I mean, I have our Phoenix Ammo 75 grain home defense round in mind, but same thing. | ||
| I mean, the velocity at hallway distance is going to be almost muzzle velocity, so 2,600 feet per second. | ||
| It's going to tumble and fragment. | ||
| I mean, it's gonna be an exciting. | ||
| That's a lot, right? | ||
| Oh, yeah, it's high. | ||
| Because I've got like 1911 and 45 and it's very slow. | ||
| Oh yeah, pistols are pistols, rifles are rifles. | ||
| I mean, that's the mantra. | ||
| But you know, like a 20 inch barrel AR, it's coming out at like 3,100 feet per second. | ||
| So extremely fast. | ||
| That's gonna cavitate, isn't it? | ||
| It can cause, yeah, I mean, everything's gonna cavitate to a degree. | ||
| It depends on the size of the cavitation, but what you want is like, the important thing is, um, 55 grain FMJ 223 will not tumble and fragment reliably under like 23 to 2,400 feet per second. | ||
| So that's the number. | ||
| If you shorten the barrel too much, then you lose too much velocity. | ||
| So there's a middle ground, but again, inside your house at 30 feet, you know, if you have a 10 inch barrel AR, that's fine. | ||
| Is that going to be great out to 400 yards? | ||
| Probably not. | ||
| I mean, can you hit a target at 400 yards? | ||
| I have, so it's not the ideal. | ||
| I got a Bolt Action 17 Super Mag and the guys at the shop told me that it's for critters and it vaporizes them. | ||
| Can I ask you a question? | ||
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that red mist erupts. They just blow up. Yeah, I mean we use, uh, um... | |
| Poor fucking thing. I mean, you know, it's a small target. | ||
| I want to get the fever out of my yard, I want to blow it up. | ||
| Yeah, well, it's out of your yard. Can I ask you a question? | ||
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Yeah. What do you think's the biggest misconception people who are afraid of guns or don't | |
| like guns have about the industry? | ||
| About the industry or... | ||
| Or about guns? | ||
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about gun owners, either one. | |
| I would say, like, you know, the comment I hear a lot from people on the anti-gun side is, | ||
| what are you so afraid of that's making you carry a gun every day? | ||
| Like, you just, you. | ||
| You must live in fear because you carry a gun everywhere. | ||
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It's an easy argument. | |
| Before I say that, just say to him, be like, I don't know, I saw this video of this guy, | ||
| you ever hear George Floyd? | ||
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And I was just like, wow. | |
| I don't want to get George Floyded. | ||
| It's an easy argument to win because, and like I can talk about that, that's a whole | ||
| different discussion, but that's, it's an easy argument to win because you say, well, | ||
| you have a spare tire in your car, what are you so afraid of? | ||
| You know, you've got a fire extinguisher in your house, what are you so afraid of? | ||
| You must live in fear every day of fires. | ||
| You must live in fear every day of your house burning down. | ||
| I don't fear anywhere that I go, and it's not just because I'm carrying a gun, it's because I do plenty of other things that I hope makes me prepared. | ||
| I have a med kit in my truck. | ||
| Carrying a gun makes you aware of more than just the fact that you have a gun. | ||
| You tend to be a little bit more aware of your surroundings. | ||
| something that becomes ingrained in your head. So I think that's the biggest misconception is that | ||
| people who carry guns are somehow afraid of something or like, oh you just can't wait to | ||
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| if you bring a gun then you yourself. I think of it exactly the opposite. I mean I can tell you that | ||
| like when I'm carrying a gun the last thing that I'm going to do is get involved in some petty | ||
| fight with some idiot over a parking space or you know the last xbox at walmart or something because | ||
| I know that. | ||
| I'm going to be the one who's looked at as the bad guy. | ||
| Whether I pulled my gun or not, that's what's going to be the headline is, gun owner gets in a fight in the Walmart. | ||
| And that's all that you're ever going to hear about. | ||
| CPL holders, this is true, I think it's true nationwide, but there was actually a study that confirmed this in Texas and in Florida. | ||
| People who have a concealed pistol license are the Most law-abiding group of people in the entire United States and that includes police officers. | ||
| People with a concealed pistol license commit fewer crimes than police officers. | ||
| So this idea that getting a concealed pistol license means that you're just gonna like wild west it and you can't wait to shoot somebody and get into a gunfight. | ||
| And they probably come from people who have no experience with guns. | ||
| And that's why most of the gun control arguments are emotional, not fact-based. | ||
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And they probably come from people who have no experience with guns. | |
| They don't have friends with guns. | ||
| They don't have any experience with guns and never been around. | ||
| And I mean, like, you know, understand, I didn't really, I grew up with guns in the | ||
| sense that I shot guns when I was like in Cub Scouts, but my parents were not gun owners. | ||
| I wasn't allowed to play violent video games. | ||
| I wasn't allowed to play Mortal Kombat. | ||
| I went over to my friend's house and played it there, but I wasn't allowed to watch pro wrestling. | ||
| They didn't want me to watch violent movies, so I didn't grow up in this But this is what when I moved into my first apartment and I started dating My first like real serious girlfriend. | ||
| I I decided like And I was working in downtown Detroit for this insurance company in the you know all the manufacturing companies are in the worst areas of Detroit and And I just decided I have to be not just responsible for myself, but there's other people that I'm now responsible for. | ||
| I'm not going to be the one to be caught unaware with this woman that I'm dating who is now going to expect me to be able to handle the situation, or I hope she does. | ||
| I hope that's why she's attracted to me, that she thinks I can Take care of her if I have to and I want my family to feel that way and I want my friends. | ||
| To me, the worst scenario possible is to be a capable adult human male that is unable to help somebody in a terrible situation. | ||
| Somebody broken down on the side of the road. | ||
| I mean, I stopped and helped pull somebody out of a ditch the other day in my truck because I had, you know, a tow rope and it took me five minutes. | ||
| So that's the way that I see, that's how I got into gun culture in the beginning. | ||
| It wasn't because I played Call of Duty or my parents were in the military. | ||
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| Yeah, it was a protection instinct. | ||
| I've never hunted in my life. | ||
| I have to right now actually record for Freedom Tunes, so we're gonna have to wrap it up here. | ||
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Being called away, you big star! | |
| Fauci's in the news, and Seamus hit me up, and I have a responsibility. | ||
| But we went for about a half an hour, so it's been a blast talking about guns and hanging out. | ||
| My pleasure. | ||
| Absolutely, and for everybody who's a member and you're watching live, We're working on the Discord, which will—so there may or may not be a live component on the actual TimCast.com website, but I think Rumble is working on it. | ||
| Then we're going to have the Discord either way, so you'll be able to actually call in for certain guests at certain times. | ||
| Obviously, not every single person who's a member will be able to do so, because we get a couple thousand people watching the members-only shows, but I really do appreciate all of your support. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out. | ||
| This week's gonna be pretty cool. | ||
| We got some good people. |
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