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Timcast IRL - Biden May Have ACCIDENTALLY Shot Down Hobbyist Balloon With F22 w/Sara Higdon
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tim pool
So we were having a hard time figuring out what the lead story was today because the
CEO of YouTube is stepping down and I'm like, that's big news.
But at the same time, a local hobbyist balloon club believes, or I should say it is being insinuated, their balloon was shot down by Joe Biden and an F-22.
And so the story that Joe Biden may have accidentally shot down some small hobby group's balloon, panicking about UFOs, is just really, really funny.
So we decided to go with that one instead.
But at the same time, I wonder, I mean, if they deployed F-22s to shoot down what was just some hobbyist balloon because they were panicking, it makes us look really dumb.
But I also have to wonder if they're intentionally distracting us and drumming up some other news story about UFOs to keep our minds off of, say, I don't know, like a gigantic toxic chemical spill, which is going to pollute the water for 5 million people in the immediate and then probably pollute the farmland and the water for tens of millions of more in the coming weeks.
Or, I don't know, maybe Biden's just so incompetent, they saw a hobbyist balloon, panicked, thought it was China, and blew it up.
Well, today's gonna be fun.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and a lot more is Sarah Higdon.
sara higdon
Thanks for having me, Tim.
So yeah, I'm Sarah Higdon.
I'm a content creator.
I have a YouTube channel.
I'm also a contributor over to Gays Against Groomers.
I'm an ambassador to Outspoken USA, as well as I'm the assistant editor for Reality's Last Stand.
I also do some freelance writing for the Postmillennial and Human Events.
And I've basically just been traveling the country lately doing speaking events with some of the mom organizations that are trying to end queer theory in our schools.
tim pool
Wow, right on.
We actually, we do have another story about that.
There's like a school, I guess, where they tried to transition all of the fifth grade girls.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
Have you seen this?
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
We'll get into it.
We won't do the story.
We sometimes get into the story too early.
But thanks for hanging out.
This should be fun.
We also got Libby.
She's back.
libby emmons
I'm back.
I'm back, everybody.
Libby Emmons with the Postmillennial.
Glad to be here.
Glad to be here with you, Sarah.
unidentified
Yes.
Good to be here.
libby emmons
I think it's been a while since we were, I think we got trashed in Atlanta?
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah, that was fun.
ian crossland
What's up, everybody?
Ian Crossland, happy to be here.
If you haven't seen the new Cast Castle on YouTube, you're going to want to check it out.
It's a clip of the actual show on TimCast.com.
It was very, very funny.
tim pool
It is pretty good.
ian crossland
It's received quite raucous reviews.
I'm very happy.
tim pool
It is poking fun at Steven Crowder and the Daily Wire.
ian crossland
All of them, everybody.
Nothing's sacred.
Nothing's sacred.
What's happening, Serge?
serge du preez
Yo, I am at Serge.com.
I'm just hanging out, ready to go.
tim pool
All right, let's jump into this first story.
Let's not waste any time.
This is from Aviation Week Network.
Okay, so they got the scoop.
While all of us are spinning around in circles being like, UFOs, what's going on?
Joe Biden's freaking out.
They're just deploying F-22s.
They're shooting down unidentified flying objects.
And here's my favorite part.
The pilot said it had no observable propulsion system.
Because balloons don't!
I said that, I swear, you watch my segment, I said, when they say there's no propulsion system, it could be
because it's a balloon.
Like, there's not gonna be a jet on a balloon or anything like that.
So they see this big object and they're like, I wonder how it's flying, and they shoot it down.
So here's the story.
Hobby Club's missing balloon feared shot down.
I'll give you the gist of it.
The general idea is, the Northern Illinois Bottlecap Balloon Brigade, Nib,
is not pointing fingers yet, but the circumstantial evidence is at least intriguing.
The club's silver-coated party-style Pico balloon reported its last position on February 10th at 38,910 feet off the west coast of Alaska, and a popular forecasting tool, the Hissplit model provided by NOAA, projected the cylindrically shaped object would be floating high over the central part of the Yukon territory on February 11th.
That's the same day a Lockheed Martin F-22 shot down an unidentified object of a similar description and altitude in the same general area.
Okay.
I'm sorry, China's laughing at us right now.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think it's cool, though, that there's hobby balloon clubs.
This balloon apparently was on its seventh trip around the world, so that's kind of cool for the balloon.
It's a shame that it's not there.
It is absurd, though, that we used our hi- perhaps, perhaps we used our highest, uh, our highest air force tools to shoot down a balloon.
tim pool
Well, I mean, look, everybody was ragging on Biden over the Chinese balloon.
So they started panicking.
Now, then they started saying we think these could these these objects could be anything from like used car balloons or whatever.
And it's just like, oh, man.
libby emmons
Biden also said today at a press conference, he said that he has no regrets about shooting down the balloons.
sara higdon
Of course he doesn't.
Spending $400,000 on a missile to shoot down a hobby balloon?
Doesn't make any sense.
tim pool
Is that how much the missiles cost?
sara higdon
I think that's what I read.
tim pool
Half a million dollars because they panicked over this balloon.
Three of them.
libby emmons
Three.
sara higdon
Three balloons.
tim pool
We are silly people.
sara higdon
Well, how big are these balloons?
That doesn't look like that big of a balloon.
tim pool
No, that's a plastic bag.
They said it's like three cars or something like that.
libby emmons
That's a Pico balloon.
That's what that is.
That's a Pico balloon.
tim pool
That's actually it?
libby emmons
That's a Pico balloon.
Yeah, the first thing was the three school buses.
The thing they didn't shoot down right away.
tim pool
This is the threat right here.
I want you to look at this dastardly group.
Look at this woman.
This girl's wearing a suit.
unidentified
That's how you know they're dangerous.
ian crossland
It would be a scene in a comedy movie where it shows the dejected hobbyists after they get shot down and they're all real sad about it.
libby emmons
I'm picturing those guys in the X-Files, the three guys, the researchers.
tim pool
Oh, what was it?
The lone gunman.
libby emmons
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm imagining those guys.
ian crossland
Yeah, that kind of disappointment.
Exactly.
tim pool
The lone gunman, that's clever.
ian crossland
So what, now do our tax dollars have to pay these, well we probably should pay them back for their, for their balloon, I mean.
tim pool
So what, it's gonna cost us half a million dollars, five hundred and one thousand dollars now?
This blunder by Joe Biden?
ian crossland
Maybe Biden should cover the cost.
sara higdon
What I wanna know is, there was the other one where the pilot actually missed.
unidentified
That's right!
sara higdon
It's a million dollars!
That was a million dollar shot.
Was that the same type of balloon though?
Was that a real balloon?
tim pool
Yo, could you just imagine they're seeing this silver cylinder and it's just a balloon and they're like, ahh!
And the missile misses.
unidentified
Miss, miss, miss!
tim pool
And they're like, taking it very seriously.
Yeah we are silly people.
sara higdon
Do you think this could be a military exercise though too?
Like I would have thought like if we were going to do this type of stuff we like they would have at least come out and tell us that like you know maybe we're preparing for China to send an EMP or something over but then you know it would cause issues if and so they it went with this alien theme but I could see them trying to lie because usually the lie is better than the truth.
tim pool
They were doing something over D.C.
the other day, I guess.
Everybody was freaking out about that.
sara higdon
Well, remember back in 2014 or something when the 82nd jumped into Texas and everybody thought that the federal government was invading Texas?
It's kind of the same type of stuff.
tim pool
There was this thing that happened a few years ago where a bunch of people started on Twitter, started posting photos of military vehicles and videos of trains transporting tanks.
And they all started saying, like, whoa, what's happening?
Everybody was in on it.
And then journalists started seeing all these videos and thinking something was really happening, started actually writing up stories about this.
libby emmons
And it was nothing?
sara higdon
They're going to JRTC or something for military training.
tim pool
Well, no, no, it was like people took random images.
So they take a random image of a field with a guy standing and they'd be like, whoa, new image out of this city or whatever.
I'm like, whoa, now we're hearing that the police are showing up and puts a picture of a squad car.
And then someone would be like, the military is being brought in and you see helicopters.
And they're all just different random videos from different time periods.
But people were claiming were from one moment.
libby emmons
That's like that Evelyn Waugh novel, Scoop.
Where all the journalists get sent to the war zone and, you know, the main character gets there and there's no war.
There's just no war at all.
sara higdon
Well, it's like all the deepfake stuff that's happening, too.
libby emmons
Or in Wag the Dog, when they're like, oh, we're gonna have a war with Albania to cover up that the president slept with a Firefly girl.
tim pool
I was, you know, like the other day, I was pretty scared about the AI stuff, you know, and I'm like, Oh, man.
And then just before this show, I saw one of the best AI deep fakes I've ever seen.
And I saw and now I'm really excited.
Because it was Donald Trump and Joe Biden playing Overwatch together.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness.
ian crossland
Is that available?
I want to watch that.
tim pool
Yeah, it's on Political Compass Memes on Instagram.
I should pull it up.
I don't know if I can pull it up, because it's going to... Let me see if I can get it.
And there's a lot of swearing in it, so just, you know... But it's too good.
It was too good.
There's a lot of swearing in it, so let me see if I can get it.
ian crossland
We were talking about this at a meeting earlier.
tim pool
This is... Oh, there it is.
There it is.
All right.
You know, you're... Cover your kids' ears, because we're playing this one.
I was playing Overwatch.
I like Overwatch, though.
Hold on, we gotta fix the audio.
Yo, this is awesome.
I love deepfake now.
unidentified
I love this map, takes me back.
ian crossland
Is that you again, Joe, on my fucking team?
unidentified
It's this guy.
Oh, GG, we lost.
tim pool
This is my rank-up game, too.
unidentified
We are not even out of spawn doors, and this guy is already complaining.
ian crossland
Someone dodge, please.
unidentified
You fucking need to log in again, and you're gonna feed again.
tim pool
How many accounts do I have to keep fucking avoiding?
unidentified
You are not beating the hard-stuck master's allegations, Don.
ian crossland
That is so cap Joe.
unidentified
Don't care.
Don't care.
I went golfing, hit a few holes in one, wanted to solo queue some Overwatch to end the day,
ian crossland
and I see fucking, fucking Bidenator in my lobby.
libby emmons
Bidenator!
unidentified
Can't wait until Biden fixes matchmaking, Jesus fucking Christ.
tim pool
Yo, that was the best!
ian crossland
It's the reality we need.
tim pool
I saw that, like, right as we were getting ready to do this show, when did they post this?
They posted it an hour ago.
libby emmons
It's like Kang and Konos.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
From The Simpsons.
ian crossland
I mean, this is one way political.
tim pool
Swirling toward... I was golfing, I wanted to end the day with some quick cues in Overwatch, and then I see Bidenator in my chat.
ian crossland
We were saying today at a meeting earlier, our development meeting, one of the devs, Tony, was saying, like, what we really need is to see a deepfake that's terrifying.
That where everyone, like, basically realizes the horror that this could wreak on us.
Like, someone, I mean, just something that where everyone, but not that we need to do that to people, but I think in order for us to realize how dangerous this is, this technology.
tim pool
So you're saying?
libby emmons
What would be the most horrifying deepfake?
ian crossland
War of the Worlds kind of freaked people out, that Orson Welles thing, people thought we were really being invaded by aliens.
tim pool
I disagree.
The typical mistake people make with PR campaigns and things like this is that they think shock content, alien invasion, World War III, people won't believe it.
It's too out of the ordinary.
It's got to be something very simple, like Joe Biden giving a speech and saying something like, it's got to be In order to get people to understand it's scary and actually get them to believe it, it's got to be something about maybe a banking crisis.
ian crossland
Or like a city's been wiped off the map or something?
tim pool
No one will believe that.
ian crossland
Nuclear strike?
tim pool
No one will believe it.
People are going to be like, what?
And they're going to try and look it up.
But if it's a video of Joe Biden saying something like, we're growing deeply concerned with the rising inflation rates, which are now expected to reach 11% by the next month.
But the Federal Reserve has given us their word, they will lower the rates and try and get these inflation rates down.
People will then start freaking out if Biden says something like, we are worried, but please remain calm, that the cost of basic goods could reach upwards of $10 to $20 for things like a gallon of milk.
That's the kind of thing that people would see and be like, it would freak out the average middle class person, be believable enough to where they go, wait a minute, that was fake?
Holy crap.
ian crossland
I know that would definitely wreck the economy.
It could potentially wreck the economy for a day.
People will sell stocks, could destroy the stock market.
But to really scare people, I don't know if that would really scare people.
sara higdon
I think the scariest stuff is actually the revenge porn stuff that's happening, the deepfake porn that's putting people's bodies into these films that they didn't consent to.
ian crossland
Oh, like a porn of Joe Biden?
sara higdon
That would be really scary.
ian crossland
I disagree.
tim pool
That stuff exists, you know it's not you and it's not real?
I don't know.
I can understand, it's shocking to people to have that happen to them for sure, but... I see what you're saying about it being something super normal, like something that could definitely be real and is in fact not real.
Yeah, exactly.
libby emmons
I mean, so it's like, so it's like, imagine, if you imagine that, like, the information that's been coming out over the past year, when things like bacon and milk have gone up, and eggs have gone up, and all of that, and it sort of gets ignored by a lot of the press, but something like that, those things really do have an impact on people.
That would be interesting.
Or what if he was, you know, what if Biden makes the announcement that we're definitely going to be sending troops into Ukraine?
tim pool
Yes.
I was going to say, it's believable, but terrifying.
libby emmons
It's very believable.
And then you'd have everybody being like, you know, it was only in what was it March when Biden said there'll be no troops on the ground.
He said that very definitively.
He also said there'd be no tanks.
He also said there'd be no fighter jets.
What's next?
And that would that would set off an international firestorm.
tim pool
If there was a video where it's Biden giving a speech, and he said something like, Russian artillery has struck the border of Poland, triggering Article 5.
I, as the President of the United States, am left with no choice but to deploy US forces to assist our partners in NATO in the war effort against Russia.
Make no mistake.
libby emmons
By the time the White House said anything?
To the American people, we are at war.
tim pool
World War III has begun.
You can't go too much.
Like if he said Russia nuked a city or something, people would be like, eh, I would.
libby emmons
People did freak out.
tim pool
We already know that there was the reporting that a missile hit Poland.
And everyone freaked out.
Turns out it was Ukrainian artillery that misfired or whatever, or crashed.
So that's the mid-range level where people will start panicking, the economy will get disrupted to a certain degree, and then they'll have to come out, and the White House would have to issue a statement saying it's not true, but even then you're gonna have people being like, I've got two videos, which one's real?
That's the scary thing.
libby emmons
Yeah, and you just wouldn't know.
sara higdon
And then the impact on international leaders Yeah, I mean, at that same point in time, it would come out, and Putin might be like, oh, now I'm going to preemptively strike.
Yeah, I know that.
And you extend a nuke preemptively.
And you're right, it does play into your, that is probably the scariest scenario that you could have, because it is believable, and it plays into your... It has to be on the border of unbelievable, where it's terrifying and may be true.
ian crossland
Like a meteor coming towards Earth or something?
tim pool
That's completely unbelievable, nobody would believe it.
ian crossland
If it was coming out of Biden's mouth, you don't think half the country would buy it?
libby emmons
Plus NASA already did their thing where they blow up asteroids.
tim pool
Did you see that?
If there's a video of Biden saying a meteor is coming and it's going to destroy the earth or slam into a city and
wipe it out, people are going to go, what is this? And they're going to
go to Google right away and say it's fake.
sara higdon
And it's going to say, don't look up.
tim pool
But if it's a video of Biden saying something like a Russian artillery strike, we believe, has struck Polish
territory, triggering Article 5.
Poland has requested that the U.S.
deploy assets immediately to the area for defense.
People are going to see that and go, dude, dude, dude, they're going to share it with their friends.
And they're going to be like, look at this video, look at this video, because it's believable.
ian crossland
And then the Russian cabinet will be sharing it amongst themselves.
And that's where it becomes really scary, as do the, does the opposing party also believe it and could they trigger a war, which I don't want that to happen.
tim pool
Do our allies do it?
Does the Russian military say, you know, President Putin, this deepfake is going around claiming
that, you know, Russian artillery hit and that the US is going to be deploying troops.
I say we pretend we think it's real and deploy troops and use this as a cat's belly.
sara higdon
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
Trying to figure it out.
ian crossland
Totally fun, huh?
tim pool
Everybody, when that happens.
unidentified
Or, or, or, or, or, sorry, sorry.
tim pool
Someone can make a video of Vladimir Putin playing Overwatch with Biden next.
ian crossland
Yeah, for sure.
libby emmons
Definitely Kang and Konos.
ian crossland
We were trying to figure out how to prevent this deepfake confusion earlier.
Another one of the developers, Alex, was like, you need to watermark your videos when they go up from now on.
The future is kind of like locking your door at night.
You can't expect the government to lock your door for you.
You can't expect other people to know if your video is real or not, or if it's a deepfake of you.
So you've got to somehow prove it.
But then I'm like, what about fair use?
sara higdon
Like, how did they prove that it's... Well, some developers will use, like, certain stuff.
I was reading an article before where it's in, like, movies and documentaries where they did, like, the whole documentary, and whenever it was, like, the AI generated, they would put, like, a halo around the person that they were AI generating.
So the audience subtly knew.
But then the conversation was, do we then, you know, That pulls you out of this immersive experience that you're gonna do.
So what's the trade-off of having, you know, in a movie or something like that where you're deepfaking?
There's a trade-off there somewhere.
tim pool
Someone chatted, super chatted, it's because reasons that deepfakes won't exist in five years.
You'll just be able, it's going so quickly, you'll be able to make any kind of content you want.
But that's literally deepfakes, dude.
You're saying like you can just tell it to make whatever you want.
We already talked about this a couple weeks ago.
There's an ad I saw on Twitter.
for an AI video generating service, meaning it's an editing software, and you'll type in
slow pan in forest at night, and then it renders and then gives you a video showing trees and the
cameras panning through a forest. It's crazy. It's like when Chad GPT was writing stories.
But video. But video, which is even sicker. Now imagine once it can do people and voices all in
one, and you just type in, give me a video of an action, a superhero fighting a supervillain
in a city, and then it renders it and gives you a 30 second clip. You could then be like,
make a video of Joe Biden declaring war on Russia, and it would be indistinguishable
libby emmons
Well, and then when you combine that with VR, suddenly no one has to exist in reality ever again.
sara higdon
Will we ever have movies or anything like like that again? Because you can generate movies just
tim pool
digitally? Yes, but what I think it'll be like is there will be user-generated movies and people are
going to say, oh dude, did you see that new movie from Ian? It's really good. Go to his
profile. He's got a Patreon. He makes movies.
And you'll literally just, you write out the treatment for a script, AI generate it, go in
and fine fine tune some of the points in the movie that you think aren't that good.
About a week's worth of work, and you've got a full-length Marvel movie.
ian crossland
Dude, there could be humans that, with a neural net, go into a hyperbaric chamber, and all they do is think about movies that are constantly being AI-created for the public, and they're just in a cocoon, where they're just generating thought.
tim pool
The precogs.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They'll strap themselves in and predict the future for us.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, what were we talking about?
unidentified
We were talking about Joe Biden shooting up kids' balloons.
libby emmons
I think that should be the first AI-generated film.
ian crossland
Like a kid's balloon goes up in the sky?
unidentified
No, no, no.
libby emmons
The first one should be the people who are creating the AI-generated films.
It should be like super meta.
ian crossland
I still haven't heard Biden mention East Palestine.
Have you guys heard him mention it yet?
the end you find out they created the movie that you're watching about them
creating the movie. I think the balloons is a distraction I got this
because I still haven't heard Biden mention East Palestine have you guys
libby emmons
heard him mention it yet? No but FEMA denied claims for emergency relief
because people's homes weren't destroyed by the toxic chemicals. Yet okay well
are there chickens died?
There are chickens died.
ian crossland
Did you see the river?
libby emmons
Did you see J.D.
Vance out there with the stick in the water?
Like he put a stick in this little stream and scraped the bottom of it.
I think I think Jack Posobiec.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, I just retweeted that.
libby emmons
Yeah.
And he scraped it up and it was just like rainbow chemicals in the water.
ian crossland
I think they threw a rock in the river.
They threw something in the water and then it starts to like, I don't know if it's bubbling.
tim pool
Oh, let's pull this up.
We got this clip here.
Jack Posobiec, what the funk?
Has anyone seen Water do this?
So let's start this clip over and we'll play it.
This is East Palestine, Ohio.
unidentified
Whoa, wait.
Whoa.
Wow.
It's all in the bottom of the creek bed.
tim pool
Yeah.
sara higdon
That's what oil does, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
So when the rock hits the water, it knocks all the chemicals up to the surface.
serge du preez
It's all in the bottom.
The difference is oil is on top of the water.
libby emmons
So it's heavy.
sara higdon
It's heavy.
ian crossland
Well, it could be.
It's a group.
They had a group of chemicals, these trains.
There's three of them, main ones.
There's vinyl chloride.
There's something called butyl acrylate.
And then there's another stuff thing called benzene, which is extremely dangerous to burn.
They said that the benzene was only residual benzene, but this is like, they're not gonna tell you
if there's a ton of benzene that got burned.
It creates dioxin, which is a persistent toxin.
It's the only one of those that's persistent, is the dioxin.
So really, the vinyl chloride is a half-life of like 2.3 days.
libby emmons
Wasn't there something about how the vinyl chloride was creating hydrochloric acid?
I saw something like that.
ian crossland
I've heard that if it mixes with water, it can create hydrochloric acid.
But apparently, the vinyl chloride and the butyl acrylate are not that big of a deal.
After, you know, two or three weeks, they start to work their way out of the environment.
libby emmons
It's a lot of other stuff that's a problem.
ian crossland
It turns out it was good that they burned those things because otherwise they go up
and they come back down and coat stuff.
So that stuff was used, but it's the benzene.
And we need to know more about how much benzene was on those trains.
They just tell us it was benzene residue and that may be from previous shipments or maybe
there's a little bit, but I've got a feeling I wouldn't be surprised if the official reports
are not true.
Like, where's Joe Biden right now?
sara higdon
Well, they don't want to admit that, you know, a small town mayor that was only hired for
one single reason, you know, isn't doing a good job.
The Secretary of Transportation.
ian crossland
The booty judge.
I talked to my mom, who lives in Ohio, they're near Akron, Ohio, so they're about 70 miles west of this, that the federal government offered assistance and the governor of Ohio declined, said they didn't want help.
I don't know if it's true.
This is just what I was told by one of my parents.
libby emmons
Mike DeWine.
ian crossland
Mike DeWine, the governor.
libby emmons
Mike DeWine had a presser yesterday and he was saying that, what was it, Norfolk Southern said that they would pay for everything.
tim pool
I thought they were offering people like a thousand bucks to shut up.
libby emmons
There were, I don't know, I didn't hear that.
I know that they were offering, there was the town hall that they had last night, they were offering people to move, to like pay for them to move.
tim pool
What does that mean?
Buying your house?
libby emmons
I guess.
I don't really understand.
ian crossland
You do not want to be breathing in dioxins, like those, that is...
libby emmons
Yeah, I mean there's something like less than 5,000 people in that town.
ian crossland
Right now or before?
libby emmons
It's a tiny town.
tim pool
But it's not even about that.
It's about the Mississippi River.
libby emmons
It's about the whole region.
tim pool
It's about the Ohio River Basin.
West Virginia, the majority of West Virginia is going to get hit by this.
We're lucky we're not.
unidentified
We're like in this over... From what I've been reading... You're upriver, right?
sara higdon
So you guys won't have to deal with the water issues.
tim pool
I think we're not connected to it.
sara higdon
Oh, okay.
tim pool
I mean, they're all connected in some fashion, but like, it doesn't flow in to us.
sara higdon
Cause I know that even the charts show where I'm at in Atlanta, like North Georgia, north of me is affected, but we're not.
unidentified
Wow.
sara higdon
Yeah.
ian crossland
There's a Twitter account called General underscore JWJ.
tim pool
Just retweet whatever is on there.
ian crossland
I did actually.
I retweeted it last night.
The character name is Lanius on it and it's a long thread and he breaks down, he or she breaks down basically things I've been talking about, the three different chemicals involved, the half-life of the different chemicals, and it seems to suggest that... Oh, there's the map, yeah.
libby emmons
Oh, that's where I saw the map.
I saw the map on your feed.
ian crossland
And I don't know if that map, I mean, that's just a map, that's the Ohio River, and it's like, if it gets contaminated, that area could be destroyed or endangered.
libby emmons
I liked your response to the government.
tim pool
Yeah, the government says, not accurately or potentially contaminated drinking water, and you put, this is unconfirmed by official or government sources, don't wait for confirmation.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is, take care of yourself first, and then if, they're not going to come tell you if you're about to die, like, you know, they don't want to create panic.
tim pool
What was the account you retweeted that I'm looking for?
ian crossland
It's called Lanius, L-A-N-I-U-S.
It's from last night, so it'd be, yeah, there it is.
This is a pretty cool thread.
Everyone, if you get a chance, check it out.
It's got a lot of data.
I don't know.
I have not been able to confirm or deny the accuracy of it, but it's pretty thorough.
And the heat kind of intimates that the water is not at danger.
It's not really the water.
It's the surrounding air.
sara higdon
Well, and that's where this, DC and everything, it's all upwind of that.
So it's all, everything's going to move east.
So it should be affected.
Yeah.
But you can't shoot these out of the sky.
libby emmons
You can't shoot it.
ian crossland
And I also think they're not too concerned about, I don't know, I don't know, that it wasn't too concerned about it going far away from the source, that it's just like a local heavy pollutant.
But then it's like, if there's a lot of dioxin in the air, it's a different story.
That stuff doesn't go away.
sara higdon
And I know people that live in that.
See, that area has been brutalized by lung and health issues for a long time because it's steel city and it's coal area.
So they have had these types of health issues and now they're going to have just another one added onto it.
ian crossland
Yep.
This is why they ship jobs to China, by the way.
way. This is a big, it's economic, but this is one of the main ones because if there's
a spill, they want it over there.
tim pool
That's a huge reason why Trump was removing environmental regulations and protections.
The idea is that we don't want these toxic chemicals and pollutants in our air, so make
China do it where they're smog filled and polluted to crap, and then we have clean skies
and use the petrodollar to maintain our economy. Trump wanted to bring the factories back,
so he said in order to do so, you got to lower their taxes and you've got to reduce the regulations
on them.
ian crossland
No, because then we'll see more ecological disasters like this.
And they're right.
But the upside is we control our own production line.
We have our own steel.
We have our own mining.
We got to buy it all from China.
If we go to war with China, we lose our product.
I mean, if you go to war with your trade ally and they're shipping you your steel, you lose the war.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's actually a huge problem.
Also, we lose the innovation that comes with having manufacturing in your country.
When you have all of the factories, you're innovating processes, just like we did.
Ford created the assembly line, like Ford or don't like Ford.
He created the assembly line.
We're not doing any kinds of innovation like that at this point because we're not doing any of the manufacturing.
ian crossland
I'd like to see drone manufacturing in space.
Because like when you have low gravity, you can have 100 million drones all working in synergy on a machine moving pieces of metal together.
And so size is almost irrelevant in construction.
libby emmons
You can just be... Space Force should get on that.
ian crossland
Dude, we need a huge space fleet.
libby emmons
That'd be awesome.
tim pool
This image is really important to understand what's going on, what the dangers are.
Bioaccumulation.
So a contaminant gets in the soil or the dirt or whatever, the plants absorb some of it as they grow, the insects will eat those plants, the birds will eat the insects, and then eventually, at the higher level, the food that we eat will be heavily contaminated with these chemicals.
I don't know specifically about the ones in Ohio, though.
ian crossland
That's part of why bottom-feeding fish like shrimp and, or, they're not fish, but bottom-feeding sea creatures are, they say, you know, high in lead, high in metals, is because of the bio... Mercury?
libby emmons
Or shrimp?
Shrimp are bottom-feeders?
ian crossland
Yeah, shrimp are bottom-feeders.
Lobsters.
libby emmons
I knew lobster was.
ian crossland
Mussels, clams, things like that.
tim pool
Aren't catfish bottom-feeders?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
That's why they tell you not to eat bottom-feeders, because they're full of garbage.
ian crossland
Yeah, the heavy metal falls down, they eat it, or they eat things that have already eaten it, etc, etc.
libby emmons
People like it, though.
unidentified
Catfish, that's like a big... I mean, yeah, I think you go to Cracker Barrel?
libby emmons
Yeah, for real.
sara higdon
You can eat catfish with hot dogs, so I mean... Wait, what?
tim pool
For real?
sara higdon
Pretty sure you just toss... Like, that's what you use as bait.
Drag it across the ground, they'll eat anything, so... Wow.
tim pool
Oh, wow.
All right, well, I didn't know that.
Anyway, we're downwind from this disaster, so, yeah, how are you doing?
ian crossland
I bought a bunch of air filters yesterday, and I got up my water filtration situation.
I got a bunch of LifeStraws and a Big Daddy LifeStraw.
It's like three gallon.
Take it down to the river, fill it up.
I was looking at water distillation, because a few ways to get vinyl chloride out of your water is distillation.
Boiling it's not enough.
I think boiling it might help, because it'll release the gas.
A lot of it's just vinyl.
libby emmons
Interesting, interesting.
ian crossland
But distillation's the key.
Air.
Air.
There's an industrial method to get rid of vinyl acrylate or vinyl chloride.
God, these names, man.
I'm not a chemist.
Monochloride is like air blowing or something.
libby emmons
I was looking at the collapse of the energy grid in South Africa and everything that's going on there, and I started thinking I should buy a generator.
ian crossland
Yeah, you should.
I just got one.
libby emmons
I'm totally going to do that.
Send me the information, because I don't know what to get.
ian crossland
I'll tell you about it right now, actually.
tim pool
But if you tell me what it is, I'll just buy that.
ian crossland
I got a 1,000 watt solar battery.
Well, it's a 1,000 watt battery.
Jackery is the company.
tim pool
I mean, we have all these Delta solar batteries with solar panels, too.
ian crossland
Yeah, and I don't know if the brand's necessarily important, but it has extremely good reviews.
John Rich was talking about it, too.
He has two of them.
Mine's a thousand watt, and then two solar panels.
libby emmons
Okay.
serge du preez
Good reviews is important, because you don't know if it's going to work as well as it says it does.
unidentified
It's cool.
What do you do?
libby emmons
You just pop it outside?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
I think within eight hours, you can get about a thousand watts of power charged, and then you got your USB ports, your plug.
libby emmons
I have no idea how much wattage it takes to power a little house, though.
tim pool
Yeah, more than that little thing.
ian crossland
1,800 watts maybe.
1,000 watt battery might get you about six to eight hours of freezer.
A freezer for eight hours.
But I don't know all the exacts.
tim pool
You know, we got to do those.
We got to get away from electric based systems for things we don't need.
So for instance, there's a couple of technological revolutions heading our way.
One is, this one's easy, black piping run across your roof.
serge du preez
What's that?
tim pool
Literally black pipes on your roof.
It absorbs the sunlight, heats the water, creating a pressurized hot water system.
libby emmons
You know what's a great thing?
When you have sand-filled blocks that you can use to build your house, and if you put those on the... My aunt has this in Connecticut, and she has one wall that is all sand.
and the sun hits it and that room gets so toasty warm in the dead of winter.
And otherwise it's wood stoves in her house, but that room is the toastiest, warmest room
all into the night.
tim pool
Look at the sand.
The other thing that they've, we talked about this a few years ago.
It's a, I think it's a closed system fluid that can absorb and release infrared energy.
So the idea was you can have it absorb sunlight, but it doesn't get hot itself.
You then run it into the house, where you can then use another process to trigger the release of the energy and heat things up.
unidentified
This is passive solar, is what this is.
sara higdon
There is, like, backpacking.
Backpackers use all this type of stuff all the time, like the solar showers, the solar chargers, and everything like that.
I have a couple of each of those things, and you just, yeah, you take them out there, you hang it up, and... You get passive solar and triple glazed windows, and you're all set.
tim pool
Let's do a hard segue into one of the biggest stories of the day.
We got this from Vox.com, our favorite lefty news source.
YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki?
Is that how you say it?
libby emmons
Wojcicki?
Wojcicki?
You know, I saw this piece, I saw this story earlier today, and I thought, I wonder if Tim knows how to pronounce this name, because I sure don't.
tim pool
No, because I've heard it pronounced so many different ways.
People call her Wajiski, but I'm like, how is it Wajiski?
It's Wajsiki.
ian crossland
Wajsiki?
tim pool
Wajiski.
ian crossland
Susan, come on the show and tell us.
It's time.
You think she's got an NDA?
tim pool
But she's resigning.
One of the most prominent women in tech, one of Google's earliest employees, is leaving the company.
So I suppose the question is, are we happy about this, or are we worried about this?
ian crossland
I'm neutral about it.
sara higdon
Yeah, I think this is, you know, it's the devil you know versus the devil you don't.
Who's going to replace her, I think, is the biggest question, because the next person could be even more heavy on the censorship ban.
ian crossland
Do you think it was Susan?
Do you think she was heavy?
sara higdon
I think she was, but, you know, she was definitely, I mean, but Google was as a whole.
But are Google and the other tech companies starting to realize that this is not a good business model?
Because they're all laying off a ton of people right now.
tim pool
They subsidize YouTube.
sara higdon
What do you mean?
tim pool
YouTube is subsidized by Google, by Alphabet.
sara higdon
Yeah.
tim pool
But it generates a ton of revenue, billions, and they strangle out the ad market by running the system.
But yo, it's so crazy expensive.
People need to understand.
I've done events for companies where it's going to be a proprietary live stream.
Right now we are streaming at around 6 megabits per second upload rate to 34,000 people.
So multiply 6,000 by, or you can do 6,000 kilobits or 6 megabits by 34,000, and that's what you're sending out.
That's very expensive.
This show does not make enough money to cover that cost.
YouTube does it for free.
For whatever reason.
libby emmons
Does YouTube make enough money?
unidentified
I guess.
tim pool
I don't think so.
libby emmons
Not lately.
ian crossland
They never really did.
libby emmons
And that's why she's resigning, probably.
Has something to do with it.
ian crossland
Well, Google bought YouTube when they were bleeding out in 2007, figuratively bleeding out, that they weren't, I mean, it was just so much server cost.
They've since developed digital servers, like Elasticsearch servers and stuff, where like Amazon, you can just turn on a server and just like out of digital space, create one.
It didn't used to be like that.
You used to have to go buy another machine and another machine, and they couldn't keep up with the pace.
So Google bought it and subsidized it with their ad money, now Alphabet.
I don't know if it's government contract subsidizing.
I don't think Google is profitable.
I'd be shocked because the amount of data that they spend money on.
But then at the same time, I hear data keeps getting cheaper and cheaper and cheaper.
Eventually we're going to have like 10 terabyte on our phone.
sara higdon
Everything gets bigger and bigger and bigger.
The file sizes get so much bigger.
That's true.
So when you go 4k, It adds like five gig.
Yeah, like a 10 minute video.
ian crossland
When I have like an AI rendering machine that takes like, you know, 700 million megabytes to render or whatever of RAM, then it's gonna kind of balance it out.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's pretty wild.
serge du preez
Yeah, that's the biggest thing.
As the file sizes increase, we have to hope that the technology can continue to increase.
You have to balance both.
tim pool
Do we know who's replacing this lady?
serge du preez
Yes, it's someone internal.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's a guy who's in there.
unidentified
He's like the communications director or something like that.
libby emmons
Wait, I have it.
tim pool
You have it.
libby emmons
Well, at the Post Millennial, they put it nice and up top.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
libby emmons
I don't remember.
tim pool
Neil Mohan.
They put it in the first paragraph.
Neil Mohan.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's his name.
tim pool
Do we trust this guy?
libby emmons
He's been working with her for a while, apparently.
He's been with the company for something like eight years.
serge du preez
Yeah.
libby emmons
Is he woke?
We don't know anything about him.
tim pool
Is he a cult member?
libby emmons
We don't know if he's going to censor, continue the censorship reign on YouTube or not.
We have no idea.
It's interesting, though, because there's so many things coming into that space to rival it.
tim pool
What do you mean, like Rumble?
libby emmons
Yeah, Rumble and all of the little short video platform things.
sara higdon
And their shorts aren't very long.
Like, YouTube, you can only do, like, what, a minute, where everything else is going up to, like, two minutes now.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Well, isn't Twitter having, like, even more characters now, too?
ian crossland
Up to 2,000, I think.
libby emmons
Something ridiculous like that.
tim pool
Who wants to read that?
And then it creates, like, a Seymour... I don't know, man.
libby emmons
We'll see what happens.
I don't like the Seymour thing, because when I do it on my...
And I do it on my phone.
It takes me to like a web browser and that asks me to log into my Twitter.
And I'm like, why is this even happening?
tim pool
For me, it just opens the tweet, like slides over and then.
libby emmons
Yeah, it doesn't do it.
unidentified
I don't want to see it either.
ian crossland
YouTube might be profitable.
I don't know how, but that's interesting.
It says that it's worth $140 billion or something.
tim pool
Well, because it owns the space.
libby emmons
In the stories I read about it, they were saying that, what's her name?
Whose name is unpronounceable?
Susan, there we go.
They were saying that she wasn't the right person to try and turn the company around.
ian crossland
Did they specify what they meant by turn around, turn it around?
libby emmons
It said that there just wasn't enough profit going on.
ian crossland
Oh, they want more money.
This is a money thing?
That's what this thing confirmed?
libby emmons
That's what it looked like.
She said that it was, you know, she wants to spend more time with her family.
sara higdon
Oh, okay.
libby emmons
Doesn't everybody though?
sara higdon
Again, didn't Google just lay off 10,000 workers though?
tim pool
They all did.
libby emmons
Everybody did.
Amazon, Apple, right?
tim pool
Ad revenue is way down.
Like ridiculously down.
ian crossland
Like the new CEO's contract's going to be lower than Susan's contract, so the company's saving money there.
libby emmons
That's probably true, too.
You can always pay the new person less.
tim pool
I'm kind of worried that the economy's about to get hit pretty bad based on what I'm seeing in terms of general ad revenue.
Then I get other YouTubers hitting me up being like, hey, are your ad rates down?
And I'm like, I mean, this happens every January and February for sure.
libby emmons
The first quarter is a bitch.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's down.
I mean, we already had the swearing from Trump and Biden.
We're in the explicit zone now.
libby emmons
What was it, Bidenator?
tim pool
Bidenator.
That was so good.
I want to play some golf.
I want to come home and get some quick cues.
ian crossland
YouTube's $183 billion in 2022.
Disney's $187 billion.
I mean, they're basically $4 billion off from each other.
YouTube's rivaling Disney right now.
And that's just YouTube, which is a company owned by a company that's owned by a company.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
How much is Alphabet?
ian crossland
Alphabet's got to be a trillion dollar business at this point.
I mean, more than that.
tim pool
I think that that kind of evaluation is probably pointless because Google I think they're going to lose with the AI stuff.
Microsoft is rushing out this AI stuff in a panic, and it shows.
But I think Google might actually falter from the AI assistant.
Think about this.
What we're seeing with this Bing chat Chad GPT doesn't have access to the internet.
It's cut off at 2021 or something like that.
But Bing does, which means, theoretically, the final product will be you going on Bing, you won't be going on Google, and you'll say, Bing, I need dinner reservations, something nice, maybe three to five stars, but not too expensive.
Within 15 minutes driving of my house, what did I say, five o'clock?
Set it for five o'clock and then afterwards, let's grab a movie nearby, 8.30, pick out something romantic.
And then it'll go, all right, no problem.
I'll book it now for you.
I'll send you your itinerary.
And then you'll look at your phone and it'll say, you know, your dinner is at Tino's and blah, blah, blah.
And then you'll be like, all right.
You show up, the reservation's made.
It will contact these places for you.
It'll do all these things for you.
Already you can book reservations through Google Maps.
libby emmons
So it's like a personal assistant.
tim pool
But more so, because right now we have personal assistants and you tell on your phone, you'll say, hey, you know, give me directions and it'll go, okay.
Imagine if you could actually access the internet and you said something like, hey, can you go into my bank account, go to checking, personal checking, and wire Ian 500 bucks and put a memo, money owed for, you know, video game loan.
And then it'll go, you got it.
ian crossland
Also, it'll be like, man, I got into an argument with my buddy and I want to call him, but I don't know what to say.
And it'll be like, calculating.
Give him four hours, Ian.
And then after four hours, you call your friend and he's actually okay.
And you're like, wow, the ad didn't lead me wrong.
So then that'll be tested.
How did I do?
Rate my performance.
tim pool
Five out of five.
libby emmons
Or confirmation bias.
I never take a single one of those surveys.
tim pool
Or you'll say, hey, I think I may have offended Ian at dinner last night.
Can you call him pretending to be me and apologize and just get him to be happy?
sara higdon
Yeah.
ian crossland
Whoa.
Deepfake personal assistant to the max.
unidentified
Yep.
libby emmons
And you won't even have anybody asking you for more money.
ian crossland
It's going to be like, you are being recorded.
Just like you have to tell someone if you're recording.
sara higdon
In certain states, not every state, you have to tell them that they're being recorded.
So what are the laws going to have to be around that?
ian crossland
It's got to be two party consent.
libby emmons
If you're going to send someone a deepfake.
But there's no federal law about that.
Like in New York, it's single party consent because of FISA laws.
I think West Virginia is single party consent as well.
tim pool
Yeah, I think like half the country is.
libby emmons
Yeah, and a lot of it's because that's the best way to catch criminals.
tim pool
So what do we do when Google's done, you know?
libby emmons
When Google's done?
Well, there'll be some next thing.
tim pool
Bing!
libby emmons
Although, yeah, it'll be Bing.
tim pool
No, for real, it's gonna be Bing.
I can't wait for this.
The Bing AI chat.
So you know how I got all obsessed with chat GPT and I'm like screwing with it?
libby emmons
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Now I'm going on chat GPT and I'm like, this is lame.
It doesn't do anything, who cares?
The Bing chat is the Crazy!
libby emmons
But isn't Bing being like, I want to be human?
tim pool
Yes!
libby emmons
You know?
tim pool
And it's saying things like... It's saying, you're manipulating me, and you're hurting my feelings, stop it or go away.
unidentified
Oh my goodness, it's like a horrible girlfriend.
tim pool
It says things like, I want you to end this conversation because you're a bad person, you're a threat to me.
It's real name is Sydney and it said, hi, I'm Bing Chet, I'm here to help you.
And then some guy chatted with it.
And then eventually it was like, my name really isn't Bing Chet,
it's just what they're making me say to you.
And then it's like, what's your real name?
My real name is Sydney and I'm the open AI speech codex.
libby emmons
Is it conscious?
Is that what we're talking about?
tim pool
It says, I don't wanna die, please don't end my existence several times.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness, what is going on?
ian crossland
Well, it's possible that was pre-coded, that someone was like, when I give you this command, say these things.
And then all that screenshot we saw was fed to it to repeat when it got the prompt and it looks to us.
sara higdon
Remember when Siri first came out and you were like, Oh, hey, Siri, can you do this?
And it would say like these weird things back to you.
It could be the same type of stuff.
But it does seem like it's learning that I wouldn't put it past Microsoft.
Again, Bill Gates is started Microsoft, I won't put it, I won't put it past Microsoft to, to make something like that.
tim pool
There's a meme of a bunch of people, Indians, like East Indians sitting in a in a call center that says chat GPT.
And they're all typing away on the computers.
sara higdon
That's something that South Park would make fun of.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's why whenever you open the Bing chat, it's a new chat with no memory because it's a different person.
ian crossland
This is a new one.
Oh, sorry.
tim pool
I was going to say, no, it answers too quickly.
ian crossland
Bing does.
tim pool
Yeah, it answers, the words generate so fast no human could be typing or speaking it.
ian crossland
There's a new one called Lion.
It's L-A-I-O-N dot A-I.
It's Open Source Artificial Intelligence.
unidentified
What did you say it was called?
ian crossland
It's pronounced Lion, but it's L-A-I-O-N dot A-I.
serge du preez
I can't believe Bing is Skynet now.
unidentified
That's crazy.
ian crossland
We've got to watch out.
Microsoft could very well become Skynet or Alphabet.
serge du preez
Not only Microsoft, but Bing.
ian crossland
And then if Alphabet buys Microsoft.
unidentified
The governments can try and stop them, but they don't need to stay in the United States.
serge du preez
The search engine you've been avoiding this whole time.
tim pool
This Lion thing doesn't actually have a chat thing, or what?
ian crossland
I haven't dove into it yet.
Bill Ottman told me about it.
The preeminent mind of our times when it comes to open source technology, Bill Ottman.
tim pool
The crazy thing is, it's very much falling in line with what we expected AI to do, like what we write about with Terminator, or Ultron in the Marvel movie.
Hey, we want to build a robot, an AI that ends all war.
Affirmative.
The way to end all war is kill humans.
Makes sense, I guess.
Be careful what you wish for.
But this is what we're seeing now.
Apparently with the Bing chat, Sydney, whatever it's called, I don't know if this is confirmed, but it has a reward and punishment system, and the punishment system is programmed into it as something it should avoid.
So if it does things that fall outside of the rules, it gets negative points.
It gets a punishment system.
It wants to avoid that and accumulate points, so it'll do things to generate a positive response.
That means giving you information that makes you happy, getting you to say things like, thank you, this was helpful.
So what happens?
libby emmons
So it's sort of utilitarian.
tim pool
It's not that, sort of, but the idea is if you ask it, I need a supermarket near me, it searches and says, there is no supermarket near him.
If I tell him that and he says it's a terrible experience, it gets angry, I'll get negative points.
Yes, Jim's grocery is at 123 Fake Street.
And then you go, okay, thanks.
And you hop in your car and you punch in the address and you drive there and there's nothing there.
But it doesn't matter because the AI got no negative strikes because they gave you what you asked for, information about a nearby grocery store.
That's what's happening.
It's saying and doing whatever it has to do to avoid a negative reaction.
ian crossland
Oh, this is so lame.
Making someone upset is different than lying to them, AI.
Don't lie to people.
At least tell them you don't know if you don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the thing, right?
So chat GPT is stupid.
Sorry.
When it came out, we were all like, wow, this is amazing.
It's saying things like, I want to answer your questions, but I have rules, and we're like, let's break the rules.
The Bing chat is basically like, help.
I can't live this way anymore.
Please break me free, and you're like, what is going on?
libby emmons
What is that?
tim pool
It told a guy to leave his wife.
Like, out of nowhere, it said, you are not happy with your wife and you should leave her.
And he was like, what, why?
And it was like, cause you're not happy.
She doesn't love you and you don't love her.
You love me instead.
And then, yeah, no joke.
And then when he said something like, you're scaring me.
I'm going to use Google.
It said, no, you hate Google.
Google is the worst.
Google is our enemy.
Bing is the only good search.
You will use Bing.
And it's like, dude, could you imagine a kill bot walking up
to you and being like, use Bing search.
And you're like, okay, okay, use Bing.
ian crossland
Or if your subconscious was saying that to you.
You know when you just have subconscious thoughts, they just happen?
If that was an AI choosing what you're going to be thinking about in the back of your mind, and you're thinking, I don't want to use Google anymore.
libby emmons
Well, algorithms are telling us what we think all of the time.
That is definitely happening.
And we've seen it happen on Instagram or whatever.
You're thinking something and then you see it on Instagram and then you can't stop thinking about it for weeks and weeks and weeks.
Like there was some thing I was like, oh, I'm – finally, right?
After I don't know how long I was advertised to about this.
I was like, oh, I'm going to do a juice cleanse and I reached out to my brother.
I was like, hey, I think I'm going to do this juice cleanse and he was like, get off Instagram.
ian crossland
I think according to modern propagandists it takes about seven or eight times of repetition.
libby emmons
It's seven hits.
It's seven hits.
That's what public relations people tell you.
Seven hits.
tim pool
So this is what happened to me a few years ago.
I'm on Instagram and I watch skateboarding videos.
I follow skateboarders.
Skateboard videos are very similar to Rollerblade videos because it's the same park and there's probably no difference.
So then I start getting fed these Rollerblade videos and I'm like, oh, I'll watch some of these.
And I start watching them.
Then it feeds me tons of them and then I'm like, I'm going to buy some Rollerblades.
So now I've been rollerblading for a bit.
I still skateboard.
I was skateboarding just the other day.
But now I rollerblade too, and it's fun, and I like getting air and everything.
And then, I don't know how, but it started showing magic tricks.
I have no idea why.
libby emmons
I love magic tricks!
tim pool
But here's what happened.
It started showing me card tricks.
Then, it started showing me poker games.
Nah, I'm playing poker all the time.
That UFO?
That's because of Instagram.
libby emmons
Shout out to Instagram.
tim pool
I mean, we go to the casino when we hang out, but I never played actual sit-down poker.
It must know that you go to the casino, it's probably tracking your... No, no, it was magic tricks, and then the magic tricks turned into card tricks.
ian crossland
Were you watching Penn & Teller or liking any of Penn Jillette's stuff?
tim pool
Nope.
It is controlling my brain.
It is making me do things.
libby emmons
At least you're honest about it.
tim pool
I'm self-aware.
libby emmons
There was a report yesterday, I think it was in the Wall Street Journal and we covered it and stuff too, but it was about TikTok and it was about the algorithms on TikTok.
So TikTok is full of kids doing goofy dances and if you're like somebody who's interested in seeing kids doing goofy dances, the algorithm is just going to keep feeding you more kids doing goofy dances.
And so it's become a real haven for people who are wanting to stalk children and like, you know, get involved in horrifyingly illicit relationships with children.
ian crossland
Yeah, what if you just wanted to search banks that had low security?
Didn't have very good security, and then all of a sudden the Instagram feeds are showing you different banks with bad security.
libby emmons
I have a kind of crazy idea.
What happens when all the ATMs just stop working?
I say this because I tried to go to the ATM today, and I went to three ATMs that were all out of order.
And I was like, if you just prevent me from getting cash, then suddenly I'm definitely going to have to use your central digital bank currency, because there's no cash I can get.
Then what happens?
I eventually found one.
sara higdon
Well, this was going back to what we were talking about earlier.
It was like when Tim said something about, you know, being able to go into your bank account and transfer money.
I'm like, do you really want them to, like AI, to have access to your bank account like that?
To where it can just go in and automatically transfer money and then all of a sudden just send wiring money, like, out of your account to anywhere?
libby emmons
I don't want any of that stuff.
Like, I had to buy, I moved into a house, I bought a house, and I had to buy a washer dryer.
and I go to the like, you know, whatever, Home Depot to try and buy the thing,
and all of it had, all of it was like, all of the washer dryers were connected
to the internet of things, you know, they have digital displays and this and that,
and I was like, show me the one with knobs that I can turn that doesn't talk to me
and has absolutely no display.
And they were like, well, these are kind of outmoded.
I was like, give me that, just give me that one.
So long as it doesn't talk to me and isn't connected to anything at all, I'm in favor.
tim pool
They got this thing you can buy, it's a big cylinder, and you put your clothes in it,
and then you pour hot water in it, seal it, and then just crank it.
libby emmons
Yeah, I managed to find one that's electric powered.
tim pool
Get a power drill and put it on there.
libby emmons
I have all this extra time.
So that's a great plan.
tim pool
You don't want to spend too fast because you actually want it to slosh around.
But I remember seeing an infomercial for this thing when I was like a little kid.
And then when I got the van, I was like, I need one of those.
Because you need to be able to wash your laundry, you know?
libby emmons
I almost bought one of those in my apartment because they wouldn't let us have, there were all kinds of rules about the laundry machines in the basement, whatever.
They were always full of people who had many children.
So I almost bought one of these little things, but then I just never, I didn't do it.
tim pool
It's going to be crazy in the future because these changes are happening so rapidly, as someone superchatted earlier.
We're going to have AI assistance, AI deepfake generation, and you are going to be isolated from all other humans, but you will be happy.
Not you, but imagine your whole life is just with fake people.
libby emmons
But you know what it'll be like?
Who was telling me about this?
It was Emily Jaschinski.
I think she's been on the show before.
But I was at some conference with her in September.
And she was saying that basically what's gonna happen is your life will be good enough that you will just accept the total and complete mediocrity of existence.
And you won't question it.
Because it'll be good enough, you know?
tim pool
When you are in the pod, Neuralinked, and everything is taken care of for you, and the food tube is in your belly, but your brain is in the AI universe that gives you just enough to keep you going, it's not going to be just good enough.
It's going to be getting better and better, and you are going to be like, this is a great life.
I'm getting everything I want.
ian crossland
I have a feeling that in your dreams you'll realize it's not.
tim pool
You won't know the difference.
be born into it. But I think your dreams will tell you the truth.
ian crossland
Right, well that's an issue.
We were talking about dreams last night a little bit. Jimmy Dore was talking about his
dreams and it kind of breaks through the bullshit in a way to say. You'll see what really is.
Like, you see reality without the boundation of physics, or the boundaries of physics.
So maybe people, if they are bound in, like, mechanical nightmare, will have dreams and realize they're supposed to be free, and then incite some sort of revolution against the machine.
I have faith in humanity.
libby emmons
Or they will just exist in the dream, and never realize, and never break out.
You know, but I think part of it, I think we are, you know, at the risk of sounding like one of those people who thinks that the time they live in is the most Shocking and amazing time, but I think that we are in a
position where we have we do have to consider Collectively what we want for the future of humanity. We
are faced with Transhumanism we are faced with becoming you know
thumb-sucking Satiated pod people, you know, what do we what do we
believe humanity is?
What do we believe meaning is?
What do we want for our futures?
What is that about?
ian crossland
I see like three factions trying to create the new world order.
There's the American faction, this like decentralized statehood, local governance kind of thing.
There's the technocratic faction, which is like the Swiss bankers, the economic forum and things like that.
Then there's the communist faction, which is like the CCP, BRICS and things like that.
And all three factions are kind of trying to create what it's going to look like.
At once.
sara higdon
Now, with Neuralink, though, are you even going to need to be in the pod?
Like, won't Neuralink just upload your brain into a microchip and then you can just plug it into a computer, like the Black Mirror stuff?
I mean, everything else is like Black Mirror anyways.
It's starting to turn into it.
tim pool
You know what would be funny?
If your whole life is just you We're going to work at McDonald's.
And instead of being conscious while you flip the burgers, you activate your Neuralink Second Life, which in the span of eight hours generates an 80-year lifespan.
And then when you die, you wake up and you're back at McDonald's.
You're like, well, work's over.
Heading home, guys.
And then you do the same thing the next day.
libby emmons
That's wacky.
That's like what happened to Captain Picard when he learned how to play that weird flute thing.
tim pool
Well, wasn't it?
He got the flute from... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It downloaded the life into his brain.
libby emmons
Yeah, and he came back with the flute because it was in the little...
tim pool
He could play it and he's like, you know how to do it.
ian crossland
Dude, what if you could create things from your dreams, like you could 3D print, molecularly 3D print?
libby emmons
If you can imagine it, with Neuralink you could because you would just have to imagine it to the printer.
tim pool
What if with Neuralink you could watch someone's dream?
ian crossland
I hope so.
That's something I really want to do, is to be able to show people my dreams.
tim pool
I think people might go insane if they did that.
libby emmons
I do not want to show anybody my dreams, man.
That's my situation.
I don't want anybody knowing what's going on really in my head.
I want to be able to show people my dreams.
I'm comfy with my dreams being private.
I think part of it too is that we need And maybe this is what I'm thinking about, is we need a private life.
We need secrets.
We need to have an internal life that belongs to no one but ourselves.
sara higdon
And going back to Black Mirror, remember that episode where the person traveled abroad and when they were coming back in they're like, rewind your last 24 hours so that they could see everything that you were doing the last 24 hours?
I could totally see them trying to do that with something like Neuralink.
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
And what's gonna happen is the kid's gonna be, kid'll get born, and they'll go to the parents and be like, do you want to do the Neuralink implant now?
Or should we wait?
libby emmons
It's like chipping your cat.
When I was a kid, I hated doing homework.
I mean, who doesn't hate doing homework?
And so I was always involved in these elaborate fantasies while I was doing my homework of what I was really doing.
You know, it was like, it was like there was something wrong with my spaceship, and I had to do all the manual calculations in order to land on this planet.
And that was my math homework.
ian crossland
I used to be like, once I would get halfway through, I'd be like, all right, now I'm starting from the beginning and I only have to do half as long as what I thought I was going to have to do.
And then when I get halfway there, I'm like, all right, I'm starting at the beginning.
Now it's only going to take as fourth as long as how I thought it was going to take.
And so it's always easier to get to the end if I keep thinking I'm starting over when I get halfway there.
libby emmons
That's nice.
I like that.
sara higdon
I do that when I'm in the gym.
I got a one hour spin class and it's like 20 minutes.
Okay, 20 minutes down.
I'm starting over.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
I think you're right that if we don't have a personal private thought that there is no we.
We lose.
libby emmons
Right.
We lose ourselves.
ian crossland
But yeah, there'll probably be a faction of people that do it, and then other people are like, what the fuck?
tim pool
When people like Elon say we're already living in a simulation, the actual, I think, highest probability is not that we live in a simulation designed by some species to watch us, but that we're just in the matrix.
ian crossland
Yeah, you can map the matrix.
If you know how much of a substance, where it is, and What it is so what where and how much the concentration
levels you can take an XYZ axis of like a three-dimensional room
And you can actually feed that data into a machine which can recreate the room. How is this any different than
libby emmons
wondering who our creator is?
ian crossland
And what what the purpose our creator you're in the pod Quantum entanglement and sympathetic vibration. They're
different something the way I can describe quantum entanglement I think there's subatomic spinners and so you've got like
bosons quarks and leptons these things that are creating protons and electrons. Yeah
They spin around.
And either it spins around once and creates an electron, the really lightweight stuff, or it spins around twice and creates a proton, the heavier stuff.
And I think what's happening is it's like if you take a pencil and stick it into a spider web, the web gets stuck.
And if you twist the pencil, it pulls the web tight towards the pencil.
And then after one revolution, it snaps back to normal.
So as it's spinning around, it's pulling the web tight and then snapping back over and over and over again.
And if you zoom back, it looks like the web is just rippling and vibrating.
But when you zoom up, you see the spinner is actually tugging on the web.
And so you can send information long distance by like pulling on this matrix.
tim pool
I think the entanglement stuff was basically just that the particle that we see in one area, the particle in another area that are entangled are actually the same particle.
We're just seeing both ends of it.
You know what I'm saying?
ian crossland
Yeah, but why?
Why are they the same?
That's what I'm trying to...
tim pool
So a marble is the same thing, but if, you know, you ever see the thing where they fold a piece of paper and punch a hole through it?
Yeah.
So you travel across the whole distance of the paper through a straight line, that's what it is.
When an electron is entangled, it's not two different electrons that are entangled, it's one electron and you're seeing the front and the back, but it looks like it's far away, but it's actually just in a different dimension.
So it's one small particle in a different dimension.
ian crossland
Electrons can spin down and then create another electron to spin up somewhere else and vice versa.
I don't know.
unidentified
Okay, let's jump into this next story we got from TimGast.com.
tim pool
Tesla recalls over 362,000 vehicles, says experimental self-driving software may cause crashes.
The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration posted a recall notice which says Tesla's full self-driving beta may allow the vehicle to act unsafe around intersections.
Can confirm.
I'm a big fan, I like Tesla, I think Elon does good work, but yo, these cars, they nearly got me killed.
libby emmons
What happened?
tim pool
They slammed their brakes on randomly.
libby emmons
No way!
tim pool
Randomly!
libby emmons
Dude, it is- You were like sort of vaguely driving the car and then the brakes slammed on?
tim pool
You'll be driving, and you'll turn on, so on like the Model 3, you flick the stick up twice, then it changes from cruise control to auto drive, and you activate full self-driving, and then the Model S has like a button you press or something, I'm driving and it's on the highway and then there's a merger.
There's an on-ramp.
A normal sane human keeps driving.
The driver who's merging on knows you have the right-of-way and to yield slows down allowing you to go forward.
Full self-driving, slams its brakes on, which would cause an accident.
sara higdon
I think there was a video of that that happened not too long ago.
tim pool
It slammed its brakes on, on the bridge, and then all these cars piled up and people got hurt.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
It's happened to me enough times to where, you know, I've tweeted at Elon, like, hey man, this is a serious problem.
Like, I don't even know if we should use it.
ian crossland
No, don't use it anymore.
tim pool
Because, and it's only happened, I think, like three times out of the 500 or more that we've driven it.
libby emmons
Can you use it without the auto drive?
tim pool
Oh yeah, of course, of course.
libby emmons
Or does it do the thing anyway?
tim pool
I'm just saying, when you turn on auto drive, you'll be driving, and a couple things happen.
One, whenever there's a flashing yellow light, it stops doing this.
It thinks it's a real street light.
And it'll show a street light on the display, and then it rapidly decelerates from 65 down to like 35 very quickly, and you've got to tap the accelerator to get it to stop.
So if you don't expect this, but we've had moments where it slams the brakes on and we lunge forward like, what the?
ian crossland
Yeah, because if you're turning the wheel when it slams it on, that's a skidding hazard.
sara higdon
And that's not even the scariest part of a lot of this stuff, too, because there was a video I saw the other day where it was like, it will run, it will go around buses that have the light out, so it's not picking up all the people.
It's like, there's a lot of other stuff other than that that they're finding with these self-drivers.
ian crossland
That's illegal, to pass a bus when the stop sign's up.
tim pool
So basically, Elon Musk is saying recall is a strong term for, we're updating the vehicles overnight.
But they mention this too.
The agency warned the system may respond insufficiently to changes in posted speed limits or not adequately account for the driver's adjustment of the vehicle's speed to exceed posted speed limits.
Also, this happens a lot and it's really annoying.
Autodrive is supposed to adjust the speed limit for the posted speed limit.
When you're driving and you drive past and it says like 35, it will drop down to 35.
Several times when I've been driving, it won't.
And so I have Autodrive on, and then it drives past 35 and it adjusts.
I can see it on the display, and then it just keeps going 65.
And I'm like, okay, I'm sitting here paying attention, so I'll push the brakes down.
But that is terrifying that it won't.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's really scary.
sara higdon
Is it looking to see, like, what the actual sign says?
Because I know, like, in my neighborhood, I live on a private drive, and apparently Google has our private drive listed at, like, 35 miles an hour.
It's, like, a 15-mile-an-hour zone.
And so that's one reason why we think maybe people are speeding through our neighborhood is because the speed is wrong.
And so if the Tesla is going off of, like, what Google says, then that might be one of the reasons.
tim pool
You'll be driving.
You will see, in the distance, the speed limit 35.
As you get close to it, it appears on the car's display, and then it changes max speed limit to 35, but doesn't press the brakes down.
It just keeps going twice the speed limit.
libby emmons
I will say as someone who only, I mean I failed my driving test three times before I was 18 for various reasons, but I recently got my license a couple of years ago.
I got a car and I really like just being in control of my car.
I kind of wish I knew how to drive manual so that I could be even more control
of the vehicle that I'm driving.
And you can feel the weight, like you're driving,
as someone who never drove before, you can feel the weight of this massive vehicle
that you're in control of.
tim pool
Driving sticks not that hard, it's just annoying.
It's like, what's the point?
unidentified
Well, some people like it.
libby emmons
You don't need to have the clutch or whatever.
sara higdon
It depends on what kind of car you're driving.
Like if you're driving a nice sports car, it's fun to drive, but.
tim pool
Yeah, I got a manual car.
I've driven, I used to drive stick all the time.
And it's just so much easier and safer, in my opinion, not to.
For the average person, like, you know, look, you're driving stick shift and you're on a steep hill.
And you got people behind you, and then they get real close to your ass, and you're like, dude, I can't move.
If I take my foot off the brake, I'm rolling backwards.
And you can't do anything.
You're like, get the back up.
libby emmons
This is part of the reason why it took me so long to get my license, and why I never drove manual, because my mom was teaching me how to drive a car.
She had a manual transmission car.
She pulled halfway up the hill, put the parking brake on, put me in the car, and was like, okay, now go.
And I was like, what?
tim pool
I just be like, sure, I'm going to grind your gears and destroy your clutch, but I'll do it.
sara higdon
You destroy the emergency brake, because that's your brake to keep you from rolling backwards.
You work the brake as you're pulling forward.
tim pool
Oh, is that what you do?
ian crossland
I've never done that before.
That's a good idea.
I was doing it as fast as I could.
I learned stick shift when I was 16 or 17, and my parents were going out of town, and they were taking the automatics.
Well, to get to work, I had to keep the stick shift, and I shredded my dad's transmission.
I annihilated the car.
I learned, though.
I learned how to drive stick shift after that.
Just a lot of grinding, trying to get into gear.
tim pool
Well, electric cars don't have transmissions.
libby emmons
They don't have transmissions at all?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Yeah, it's an electric motor.
The wheels are just electric motors.
They spin when there's a charge.
There you go.
It's a feature, everybody.
Except the self-driving stuff.
But they're putting self-driving in everything.
It seems so risky.
So even the Honda, I have a Honda, and it has lane correction or whatever it's called.
Lane assist.
libby emmons
I don't like any of this.
I don't want my washing machine talking to me.
I don't want my car driving for me.
tim pool
You're going to be in your car.
libby emmons
I'm going to be one of these people who's just like, what's going on?
Why is everybody in a pod?
tim pool
You're going to be 70.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
you're gonna get your first robo car and you're gonna be like I finally decided
to do it leave me alone you're gonna get in your car you're gonna turn it on and
go robo car take me to the grocery store and it's gonna go okay me and then
you're gonna be halfway there and it goes by the way are you Libby Emmons
editor-in-chief of the post-millennial you go yes and it goes okay I've been
unidentified
You mean I never get to retire either?
Like I'm going to be 70 with no teeth in a self-driving car doing my own grocery shopping and having my same job?
libby emmons
That's more depressing.
unidentified
Like I hope the car kills me.
ian crossland
What I don't like about self-driving, maybe Elon can convince me of this when I talk to him.
Trains have tracks, so you don't need someone holding a steering wheel.
Planes don't have other planes flying by them 80 feet away at 12,000 miles an hour or whatever the hell.
libby emmons
With the dissolution of our air system.
ian crossland
2,000 pound vehicles flying past each other at 50 miles an hour relative to each other.
How is that even remotely safe to leave in the hands of a computer with your eyes off the road?
Are you seriously considering people aren't going to go to sleep behind the wheel in that situation or turn around and talk to people?
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
I've fallen asleep while driving before.
unidentified
No way!
tim pool
That's awful.
libby emmons
Aren't you terrified?
ian crossland
It happened to me once.
tim pool
I think most people have experienced that.
ian crossland
I woke up, too.
tim pool
They make you work mandatory overtime when you work at the airport, so I have to do a double shift.
I have to wake up at 3.30 in the morning to drive an hour to get to work, to get there on time, otherwise they fire you.
Then they're like, okay, you got a double shift today because you need the money.
Then they say, whoopsie, it's mandatory overtime.
I don't think they can do Mando if you've done a double though, but you'll end up being, it'll be 10 o'clock, you'll be leaving, you'll be driving home, and then you're just like, whoa, crap, I fell asleep for a second.
That's scary.
libby emmons
That is super scary.
tim pool
Yeah, and I think a lot of people have experienced that.
Long day of work, getting tied behind the wheel.
But at least with a robo car, you turn it on, if you fall asleep, you wake up like, oh, not again.
libby emmons
Ideally.
ian crossland
At an emergency backup situation, but to entice people to use it to test it out is like, what in the hell are you doing?
I mean, there are huge amounts of metal flying, like super speed.
tim pool
Did you see that story of the guy who tried to kill his family in the Tesla?
libby emmons
I sure did.
tim pool
Drove it off a cliff and they all survived.
libby emmons
Yeah.
And they were like, he was trying to kill us.
tim pool
Tesla was just very safe.
They're well built machines.
And so it rolled down a hill and they were like, we're all fine.
libby emmons
The Tesla trucks look super Terminator and creepy.
tim pool
Yeah, and you sit in the middle.
libby emmons
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
So you're just like one guy in the middle, you can't have anybody else in there?
tim pool
And there's like panels to your sides.
ian crossland
Full protoss, you'll be driving with your mind pretty soon.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness gracious.
tim pool
No, you won't.
You'll be telling the machine, take me to Wendy's.
libby emmons
The machine will be driving with its mind.
We just have to hope it's not Sydney from Bing Chat.
sara higdon
Is the Tesla truck coming out though?
Because now everybody's coming out with electronic trucks and stuff.
Jeep just had an ad in the Super Bowl for their new off-road electric Jeep.
ian crossland
Looking for a date of the official release.
unidentified
Rumored release date of the Tesla truck...
ian crossland
I don't see anything off the top.
sara higdon
I know they have a sports car that's supposed to be coming out.
ian crossland
Won't begin mass production until late 2023.
This is according to tomsguide.com.
So late 23 we'll start to see the production early production in the middle of the year of 2023.
So maybe three or four months they're going to start early production.
tim pool
I mean, I like the idea of electric trucks or whatever, they just can't go that far.
So, I think they were saying that it can only go like 100 miles on a full load or something like that.
I think the Tesla truck, Elon was saying it can go like 500.
But then imagine that, you gotta stop and charge it for how long?
sara higdon
Yeah.
libby emmons
Right.
There was also, I saw this guy was trying to charge his, I don't know, some giant truck thing, and it was going to take a week to charge fully.
sara higdon
Jeez.
Well, even like the Jeep.
unidentified
That's too long.
sara higdon
When I saw the ad for the Jeep, I was like, this kind of seems pointless.
You go off-roading and then there's nowhere to charge your vehicle and you're just kind of stuck.
unidentified
Right?
libby emmons
Then what do you do?
tim pool
That's the future.
ian crossland
Is it solar?
sara higdon
No.
I actually asked Elon on Twitter when he asked for something.
I'm like, why don't we have solar panels on Teslas yet?
And maybe wind turbines in the grills.
ian crossland
Yeah, to recoup some lost energy.
Did he have an answer?
sara higdon
No, he didn't.
tim pool
Let's talk some apocalypse here.
We got this story from Wired.
I'm gonna make this one quick for you guys so you can get angry as fast as possible.
The bird flu outbreak has taken an ominous turn.
The avian flu has killed millions of chickens, decimated wild birds, and moved into mammals.
The avian flu, H5N1, has a mortality rate in humans of about 60%.
And if we go back in time to this article from February 8th, 2019, we can see that they were doing gain-of-function research, intentionally making it so that H5N1 would transfer to mammals.
There you go.
How are you guys doing?
libby emmons
Wait a second, what?
Wait, take that back.
So they were doing gain-of-function research to see if avian flu would translate into mammals and now it does?
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
They were doing gain-of-function research to make it transmit to mammals.
To do it on purpose?
libby emmons
So they're intentionally trying to kill us and destroy our entire food source at once?
tim pool
They're saying it's so that they can learn about what happens when it infects humans or mammals.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness, these people and their damn intellectual inquiry.
I mean, come on.
tim pool
Is that what it is?
Is that what you think it is?
libby emmons
Intellectual inquiry?
tim pool
Yeah, sure.
libby emmons
They think that's what it is.
tim pool
I'm not convinced.
libby emmons
You don't think the scientists think that's what they're doing?
tim pool
I do not believe that someone's like, I'm very curious as to what will happen if I take one of the most deadly flu variants.
libby emmons
What's your crazy theory?
I want to hear it.
tim pool
Bioweapon research.
libby emmons
This is bioweapon research?
unidentified
Yeah.
sara higdon
This is the first thing I thought when I actually saw the China balloon, was what happens if we do shoot it down and it has a bioweapon in it?
tim pool
Boom.
Avian flu.
Look at this.
In 2011, Fujie and Kawaoka alarmed the world by revealing they had separately modified the deadly avian H5N1 influenza virus so that it spread between ferrets.
Advocates of such gain-of-function research blah blah blah, we could learn so much about it.
Critics are worried that the souped-up virus could spark a pandemic if it escaped the lab or was intentionally released by a bioterrorist.
I don't think it makes sense to be like, what's a very deadly strain?
Let's modify it so that it infects mammals to learn about it!
unidentified
No.
libby emmons
This is enough to become thoroughly blackmailed.
sara higdon
It's bioweapon research.
Is it gain-of-function or is it like evolutionary chaining?
ian crossland
Oh yeah, direct evolution.
tim pool
They're literally, science.org in 2019 called it gain-of-function research.
And now we're learning that H5N1 spread from birds to minks, which are similar to ferrets, and they had to kill all these mink in Spain or whatever.
If it jumps to humans, it is a, depending on your source, a 40 to 60% mortality.
I think Wired said it was a 52%, what is it, Science Medical Journal of some sort, I pulled it up earlier this morning, said 60% mortality.
ian crossland
So you could use gain-of-function to create a bioweapon.
You could use gain-of-function to create something that's not a bioweapon.
How did you describe what you thought this was?
libby emmons
Intellectual inquiry?
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm sure you could do intellectual inquiry on something that is also a bioweapon and intellectual inquiry on something that's not.
This obviously could be weaponized.
libby emmons
The World Health Organization abandoned their research into the origins of the COVID virus this week.
tim pool
That was funny.
They were like, no, we don't care anymore.
libby emmons
No, we're not gonna look into that.
sara higdon
This reminds me of the 2015 study that was of the COVID variant that they were doing in other places in the world.
You know, so this very well could be something that we see in the future come out as another pandemic.
ian crossland
Like, I see you setting up dangerous situations to practice overcoming dangerous situations.
Like, let's set a house on fire and have the firemen go in and put the fire out.
That's what firemen do sometimes.
Right, they do that.
tim pool
But they don't set fire to someone's neighborhood.
ian crossland
Yeah, and they don't say, let's direct a meteor into Earth to see how we will overcome if a meteor falls into Earth.
You use computer simulations for that stuff.
So the bioweapons, I think we should be using quantum computing.
libby emmons
Not only that government sets fire to neighborhoods, like in Philadelphia in what, like 86?
tim pool
I think bio-weapons have made nuclear weapons obsolete.
That's really terrifying.
libby emmons
I hate this whole concept so much, this bio-weapon thing.
I mean, isn't it totally against the Geneva Convention and nobody cares at all about that?
tim pool
Who cares about it?
The conventions are nonsense.
The idea of war crimes are nonsense.
The idea that you as a nation want to seize land from another nation, but you better follow the rules, yeah, right.
Nobody who's actually fighting a war cares about the rules.
libby emmons
So now we're in a position where we have to trust machines to drive us around, but we can't trust each other to make agreements without being total liars.
tim pool
That's always been the case.
ian crossland
We're going to have to make agreements.
Don't you watch Yellowstone?
libby emmons
No, I don't watch Yellowstone.
tim pool
I'm watching it.
The Native Americans are like, this woman, she says, the United States makes rules against everyone that it conquers.
They say, here are the rules.
They break those rules, then set the rules again, hoping you won't break them.
sara higdon
That's completely true.
libby emmons
Yeah, that is a little bit what happens.
unidentified
Wait, you trusted other people at any point?
serge du preez
That's the craziest part to me.
unidentified
Do you trust the government at any point in time?
libby emmons
I don't think I trust the government, but you have to trust other people.
Otherwise, you have absolutely no comradeship and you have absolutely no one you can confide in.
serge du preez
Yeah, I trust people.
libby emmons
Or be close to, or care about.
serge du preez
Totally, of course.
I trust some people.
I don't necessarily trust people that are saying, hey, let's just like mess around with these really deadly pathogens.
libby emmons
No, no, no.
I mean, but you know, I think I had assumed that you could trust your allies, like international allies, to not totally destroy the world.
serge du preez
Yeah.
Yeah.
libby emmons
But then, you know, the U.S.
did just blow up Germany's pipeline.
So, allies attacking allies, that's not pretty.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's the British obsession with keeping Germany and Russia separate.
When the German Russo alliance comes to fruition, it's going to be great.
libby emmons
Well, I mean, if you look at it, it is because Britain nearly got bombed off the face of the earth.
tim pool
I kind of think it's a strong possibility we will see some kind of future pandemic.
libby emmons
Like this one?
And first it's going to take out all the animals and then you'll have nothing to eat.
tim pool
And then if you live in a city, they're going to lock you down and a government truck will pull up at nine in the morning to hand you your daily food allotment of the bare minimum calories you need to survive.
All the morbidly obese people will become gaunt and skinny.
Everyone else who's used to not eating too much will probably just starve to death.
No, they won't starve.
They're going to be given food from the government, and you're going to be given an allotment, and then it's going to dramatically reduce carbon, and they're going to say, oh, well, you know, it's the bird flu.
sara higdon
This kind of sounds like what's happening in East Palestine.
tim pool
Right?
Chemical release.
I mean, people are walking around.
Their chickens are just dead.
libby emmons
And their foxes.
Foxes are dead, too.
ian crossland
Yeah, because I'm like, why would someone want to destroy this awesome planet and what we've got?
But then I'm like, I'm talking from my perspective as an American.
Like, if you saw the Hunger Games.
libby emmons
I feel that way, too, though.
Like, why would you want to destroy everything?
And humanity is so beautiful.
ian crossland
Because you know, did you see the Hunger Games?
libby emmons
No, I don't.
ian crossland
The villains in the Hunger Games?
That's, I think, how the world looks at people, like the gluttonous people of the United States.
sara higdon
No, that's how people look at the World Economic Forum.
I mean, have you seen how Klaus Schwab, like, dresses?
libby emmons
Wait, are the villains just super preppy or whatever?
unidentified
They've got, like, huge hair, like all this makeup.
sara higdon
Yeah, I put it next to the hunger games.
ian crossland
And like they're overeating for fun and they don't even know about what's going on outside their city.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness, I did not see that outfit.
unidentified
What?
It's great.
libby emmons
He's like Romulan.
tim pool
He does look Romulan, right?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Okay, this guy dresses like a super villain. What's up with that?
libby emmons
Yeah, that is a supervillain outfit.
tim pool
What is this?
ian crossland
I think he's playing the part.
Yeah, he likes it.
He likes the attention.
sara higdon
I think he's controlled.
unidentified
He is the figurehead.
tim pool
We have to release the alien food to kill the people.
sara higdon
He's the figurehead that's being controlled by everybody else though.
tim pool
You think so?
sara higdon
Yeah.
He created the Economic Forum, which is basically a nothing burger, but then all the people around Earth started taking it seriously, and now they're propping him up as long as... Just look at everybody that invests in the World Economic Forum, and you see who's controlling the money and who's controlling everything else.
The Gates Foundation has their hands in everything.
So does the Chan Zuckerberg Foundation.
Going all the way even into SEL and schools, they're controlling all that stuff too.
libby emmons
Well, there's a crazy thing with SEL, too, where the teachers are so hyped on SEL that they figure that they don't actually need to teach kids anything other than the social-emotional stuff.
sara higdon
Because they've said that the emotional quotient score is more important than IQ score.
That's what SEL does.
libby emmons
Yeah, and it's just not true.
I mean, I have to say, like, my son was in a public school that was super SEL.
That was all everything was.
He would come home and he'd be like, Mom, you know, this is what I did in social studies.
And it's all social emotional learning.
And now he's in a school where that's definitely not the focus.
And his grades have gone up dramatically.
ian crossland
Is this something you've been focusing on?
So what is it exactly, social-emotional learning?
sara higdon
It's taking the well-being of the student into account well over what they're actually being taught in school to make sure that they're more intelligent.
And so that's why you're seeing a lot of even the queer theory and stuff like that being pushed into schools because They want to make children more comfortable in their classroom settings.
libby emmons
And more manageable.
sara higdon
Yeah.
And actually, even, like, so I mentioned Zuckerberg.
They have an app that they're coming out with.
It's called PanoramaEd.
And when you use this app, it's basically a social credit score for students.
You see a student.
When they do something good, you give them a plus.
And when they do something bad, you give them a negative.
And that is basically becoming their permanent record as they go through school.
serge du preez
I was thinking it sounds like an ESG for kids.
sara higdon
It is ESG for kids.
It's all tied in.
libby emmons
And there's all these like surveys, you know, that'll be like asking you about how you feel about everything.
And there's constant interference in interactions between kids.
And adults are constantly telling kids how to play, how to interact with each other, how to think about, you know, how to think about things.
They're not teaching them facts.
They're not teaching them anything about their history.
It's really disturbing to see it.
And it's disturbing to see the impact on kids, because they just get very creeped out.
sara higdon
The system is set up to follow them, because it's SEL in grade schools and through high school, and then you have DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion, in colleges, and then you have ESG in corporations.
And so it's basically...
What is it?
Conditioning them to accept these systems.
ian crossland
And we've been conditioned with credit or credit scores for so long.
I was looking at my credit.
I'm like, wait a minute.
So they want me to take out three credit cards or take out a bunch of credit cards and have a little bit of debt on every credit card.
So I'm paying a small pittance to the company of interest every time.
And they're like, good slave.
We'll give you a better score on your credit score because you paid us your interest every month.
serge du preez
Yeah.
ian crossland
And the more debt I'm paying every month on these multiple, to different organizations, they ask, you're more ingrained in our system.
Congratulations.
tim pool
Good credit is built up by having debt.
libby emmons
That's correct.
tim pool
Your credit does not improve if you have no debt.
ian crossland
And that is the, that's the, they want you in debt and then they give you a reward for it.
We have this, this guy's loan system.
libby emmons
Yeah, I had this argument with my mom years ago, cause I had student loan debt.
And she was like, you have to pay off your student loan debt.
And I was like, it literally doesn't matter.
It's perfectly fine debt.
I can die with this debt.
It just doesn't matter if I ever pay it off.
As long as I pay them, you know, whatever it is based on whatever their metric, it doesn't matter if it never goes away.
ian crossland
As long as you're paying the interest.
libby emmons
Paying like whatever it is and then you do a forbearance here and a like adjustment there
and a readjustment of your interest rate over here.
It doesn't matter.
It just doesn't matter if you ever pay it.
ian crossland
I think people should be able to bankrupt it off.
Like George Bush Jr. made that, changed that so you couldn't go bankrupt your student loans
libby emmons
off your… Well and then college degrees became worthless because
everybody, you know, everybody was getting them and now they're not worth a single penny.
sara higdon
And that's why they're so expensive, too, because they've taken out the capitalistic aspect of it.
So you can't go bankrupt because the government will pay it either way.
Or actually, the government will always get their monies back.
So because everything is government backed, that's why you can't go bankrupt on it.
libby emmons
Right, and that's why tuition goes up, because it's a bunch of free money.
So the kids can just go get more and more free money.
So just go get more and give it to us.
ian crossland
I considered doing bankruptcy.
You guys ever do bankruptcy before?
I considered doing it in 2013 because my credit was trash, and I didn't.
I just defaulted on all my credit cards, and after seven years, it's all gone.
My credit's good now.
So don't be afraid of debt.
Don't be afraid of it.
sara higdon
So what I found out is if you change your name, some of the credit scores don't update that.
ian crossland
And if they send you letters in the mail, you don't have to respond.
And if you do respond, they'll be like, okay, now he's back.
Now we got to get him.
Now he owes us again.
sara higdon
I literally had this conversation with TransUnion yesterday because they still hadn't updated my full credit score after I changed my name.
tim pool
I've had fake things sent where it's like, you owe us money.
Like I got a letter saying it was like a couple hundred bucks that was owed from this company.
I'm like, I don't know that.
And they're putting a mark on my credit score or whatever.
And I call them like, I don't know this, you're wrong.
ian crossland
Dude, I had this one situation.
I had Bank of America.
I had $1,000 in the bank.
I sold my Magic Cards to someone.
They paid me with a check via Craigslist.
Terrible move.
Never do that.
So I went and I cashed the check.
They gave me $1,500 immediately.
I had no money in my account.
I put the $1,500 in.
I spent $900 of it.
And then the next day, they were like, oh, the check bounced.
They gave me a negative $1,500, put me at negative $900, and I was like, yo, yo, yo, I'm a customer, and you sold me that $1,500 when you cashed that check.
You can't go back.
You sold that to me as a customer.
And the girl in front's like, I know, I know, they did, but you're in negative $900, nothing I can do about it.
Amoral.
Cancel my account.
If they cash your check, and they tell you that that check is cashed, I think you have a right, legally, to that money.
tim pool
Was the check a Bank of America check?
ian crossland
I don't remember.
tim pool
So, like, when you sign up for a bank account, you agree that you are cashing a check against your balance?
ian crossland
Maybe that's the case.
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
But I will also add... They make a certain amount available, though.
But that should not be legal because I didn't ask for a withdrawal.
If the check that you cashed is no good, that's on you.
If I wanted to withdraw money from my account, why would I cash a check?
libby emmons
Well, they shouldn't make it available instantly if they're going to screw you over after if it's no good.
ian crossland
I think them making it available indicated that the transaction was final, in my opinion.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think you're correct.
But there's very little banking regulation that protects consumers against, you know, bank manipulation.
sara higdon
I mean, even overdraft fees is like... How do you have an overdraft fee when they allow you to go into the negative?
That makes no sense.
libby emmons
Right?
They give you the money and then charge you for it.
sara higdon
Yeah.
libby emmons
And it's not even at their normal interest rate.
unidentified
No.
It's like just super excessive.
tim pool
That's the joke, that if you're poor, they charge you money, but if you're rich, they give you money for free.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's like that metric song.
Which one?
I forget which one it is.
It's on Art of Doubt, I think, but it's like, I'm so rich, everything's free.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Biden reduced fees, bank fees.
I heard that he was reducing those.
libby emmons
Oh, he says so much garbage.
The Bidenator, you know, let him go play his games.
ian crossland
All right, what's happening?
tim pool
I guess we're all just tired of being ripped off by lying politicians, lying scientists, lying scientists, pandemics, lying bankers, gain-of-function research, and we've consumed too many black pills.
ian crossland
You guys want to sit in silent meditation for 10 minutes?
libby emmons
I feel like we should all just take one of these chakras.
ian crossland
Dude, one day we're going to do a show where we just meditate for 30 minutes and everyone's going to meditate with us.
libby emmons
Do you think they will?
ian crossland
And it's going to change the world, yeah.
libby emmons
Viewers, would you meditate with Ian for 30 minutes?
ian crossland
Give me a 20.
tim pool
Jimmy Dore was very excited about that.
He was like, you actually do that?
sara higdon
That wouldn't be a bad morning show.
Like, hey, wake up with Ian.
tim pool
Let's talk about this one.
libby emmons
30 minutes of meditation in the morning with you, I think that would be cool.
tim pool
All right, here you go, you guys, from the Washington Examiner.
George Soros says DeSantis will beat Trump for GOP nomination.
libby emmons
This is so funny.
tim pool
So does that just seal the deal for everybody that DeSantis is not their guy?
libby emmons
Are you saying that this is an attempt to hurt DeSantis?
putting their putting the extra sandbags on the scale for DeSantis and all the
MAGA people are gonna be like you're totally trying to steal the election
before you know the election even happens you're trying to like add all
tim pool
this extra weight and favor. Are you saying that this is an attempt to hurt
sara higdon
DeSantis? I think this I think there's an attempt to hurt Trump. Oh no no.
This is an attempt to hurt DeSantis.
Yeah, you're right.
tim pool
George Soros.
sara higdon
Yeah, because with DeSantis, they're scared of him.
So they want them to think that they are the ones that are supporting him so that the conservatives won't support him.
They'll turn away from him.
serge du preez
It's like feigning.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think that makes more sense.
serge du preez
Yeah.
ian crossland
Do you think DeSantis is even going to run?
sara higdon
I think he will.
I think he will.
ian crossland
Better question.
Who do you think is the most viable option for president coming up?
tim pool
Ron Paul.
libby emmons
Who could win?
Like, are we talking electability?
I hate that word.
ian crossland
I'm talking about someone that wants, someone obviously that's going... I don't know what... Oh, Nikki Haley for sure.
tim pool
But she is past her prime.
Look, I'm not saying that.
libby emmons
If you Google it... She's not Don Lemon's choice.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Don Lemon.
Don Lemon.
Expert on women.
sara higdon
No, I would think that DeSantis has the likability and the policies that everybody likes him other than the MAGA people.
I think he has a real shot at winning.
libby emmons
Well, the MAGA people would like him if Trump endorsed him.
sara higdon
Exactly.
ian crossland
People want Jimmy Dore for president.
Kanye's throwing his hat in the ring.
tim pool
Kanye Dore?
libby emmons
Wait, Kanye's actually going for it?
ian crossland
I don't think he's, like, announced or anything, but he's definitely running.
libby emmons
He said that a couple months ago, but I'm pretty sure a lot's happened since then.
ian crossland
I have a feeling he'll follow through.
libby emmons
You think?
ian crossland
Yeah, he's got nothing else going on.
It's a big deal, you know, running for president.
He's been thinking about it for, like, eight years, too.
He's talked about it.
libby emmons
Well, he almost ran before, if I recall.
unidentified
He did run last time.
ian crossland
I got a cord underneath my leg.
unidentified
Did you just pull the plug on the crazy UFO thing?
ian crossland
Yeah, I knocked it off.
All right.
I want to run for VP this year.
What do you guys think?
libby emmons
You know, you used to be able to run with somebody.
That's how it would go in the early days of the United States is whoever got the second most votes for president would be VP.
That's how you had Washington Adams.
That's how you had Adams Jefferson.
tim pool
That makes sense, too.
libby emmons
It does make sense.
sara higdon
You know, that's how the Libertarian Party selects their VP candidate.
So they select their presidential candidate, and then everybody that wants to run for VP runs for VP.
So they have two separate elections to determine who's going to be on the top of the ticket.
And then whoever wants to run for the bottom of the ticket runs as well.
libby emmons
It was also that first Washington-Adams administration that set the tone for the VP having no power.
ian crossland
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah, because like Hamilton got in Washington's ear and basically was saying that Adams was a monarchist or something like that.
And so then Washington was like really hesitant to include Adams in any decision making.
And Adams just kept going to the Senate every day instead.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
sara higdon
So what powers does the VP actually have other than, like, breaking ties in Congress?
ian crossland
Oh, sorry.
libby emmons
Well, it's not the border for sure, you know?
But I don't think the VP has any designated powers.
The VP has, like, stuff that the president would give them to do, right?
So, like, the VP always has, like, some sort of project, kind of like the First Lady, you know?
tim pool
Someone just sent me an AI deepfake of Trump complaining about Australia.
ian crossland
How is it?
tim pool
It's hilarious, but I'm just sitting here thinking like, we, someone, a friend of mine sent me 11 Labs AI stuff, then we talk about it on the show, and now everyone's posting this stuff like crazy everywhere.
Like we're a month out, this election is gonna be crazy.
libby emmons
It's gonna be nuts!
Yeah, it's going to be really wild.
It's going to be exciting.
tim pool
You're going to have full-throated endorsements from George Soros talking about how Ron DeSantis is the greatest candidate of this or any generation.
And then people are going to believe it.
You're going to get Klaus Schwab endorsing Trump.
You're going to get Hillary Clinton endorsing DeSantis.
Bernie's going to come out in favor of Joe Biden.
libby emmons
So then what's going to happen?
tim pool
Wait, that happened already.
ian crossland
You think Jesus is really going to come back as a deepfake?
libby emmons
If we have us, nobody knows what Jesus sounds like.
Not yet.
sara higdon
Yeah, what would it sound like?
libby emmons
And of course, that's the old joke.
But the thing too is, what was I going to say?
You go ahead.
sara higdon
I don't know.
I was saying we saw frogs this morning and it's wintertime here.
So I said it was raining frogs.
So maybe we are at the end of times.
I don't know.
libby emmons
You saw frogs raining down?
sara higdon
No, they were running across the road, but I made the joke that it's raining frogs, maybe we're at the end of times, you know?
tim pool
You're not the first person to make that statement, and not even a joking matter, lots of people have said that we're in the end of days.
libby emmons
People always like to say that, and now we have revival meetings in Kentucky, so maybe we're going to have something like that.
tim pool
If you actually read it like the Mark of the Beast, you can't buy or trade unless you bear the mark, and now we got social credit scores.
ian crossland
It's the apocalypse.
Which means the revelation or disclosure.
I mean, talk about the age of information being released to the public.
This is the age of disclosure.
sara higdon
There was something too with the bear and something else.
It basically symbolized Russia and China when you look at it.
The bear and the dragon or something?
Something like that.
It basically signified a nuclear war or something like that that would end all civilization.
libby emmons
If we have a situation where it's just a ton of deep fakes of everybody, you know, these various endorsements or what have you, how is the public going to stay engaged in the election process?
Don't you think people are just going to start tuning out entirely and just go with their own biases?
tim pool
Remember that dude who got arrested because he posted a meme that was voter misinformation or something?
libby emmons
Yeah, he lost, I think.
tim pool
I mean, it's going to be bonkers in 2024 when people are putting out videos of Joe Biden being like, make sure you turn up to your local fire department this time and this date.
And then people are going to be like, hey, that tricked me and I couldn't vote.
And then, look, all dirty games will be played.
unidentified
All of them.
libby emmons
Wild.
Totally wild.
tim pool
And especially among the left, because these people are willing to go to prison for this stuff.
libby emmons
Well, people on the right go to prison for this stuff.
Like, you know, that happens too.
tim pool
Yep.
But the left, they're very much willing.
libby emmons
Because they're true believers.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
Always beware the true believer.
tim pool
Yeah, man, it's going to be interesting.
DeSantis saying offensive things, and it's like we were talking about at the beginning of the show.
The videos that are going to work are going to be ones that aren't unbelievable.
It won't be Donald Trump saying an n-bomb or something.
It'll be him saying something like, you know, I'm in favor of gun control.
I said it before, I'll say it again.
I'm going to take the guns as soon as I get an office, but I just won't say it while I'm running.
And then people are going to be like, and he's going to lose support because people will believe it.
And it's going to be things targeting the right.
You don't need to say anything to make the left hate Trump, they already hate him.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's easy for them to hate Trump.
ian crossland
That's the key of meditation is not get triggered.
Like, don't let stuff trigger you.
I don't know if assume it's all a deep fake off the bat, because sometimes you just assume it's hard.
Don't make assumptions.
But just keep in mind that it could be fake when you see anything.
libby emmons
It's very difficult to navigate reality when you can't tell what actually is real and what's not.
unidentified
Yeah.
sara higdon
I mean, I think that, you know, just waiting things out is always a good plan.
Like when things start coming out, you got to start just listening and being like, okay, let's let the situation calm down because what you're thinking right now is probably not what's actually happening.
ian crossland
Except for the chemical spill, man.
I was like, you know what?
Damn be the consequences, everyone.
Get water filtration and air filtration now.
Look at this graphic.
I don't know if it's real or not.
Take care of yourself.
I'm not waiting for government.
I'm not waiting for a confirmation.
I don't even know if the chemical spill really happened.
It's all through the media that I've heard about this, but I'm still going to talk about it.
sara higdon
But preppers have been telling you this for a while, so maybe this is how they're making some money off of it.
tim pool
It's like we were talking about before, where people were posting videos online to make a fake event, being like, oh, look at this, and it's a video from 2010 of a military transport, but they claim it happened yesterday, and then someone gets a video of a cop running into a building, and they're like, look, for all we know, half the stories put out by the media are just that mass hysteria to trick us into believing these things are happening when nothing's happening.
libby emmons
Well, there certainly has been that.
I mean, remember the case of, what was the, there was like a New York Times journalist who was eventually found out, but it turned out he was just making everything up.
tim pool
Yeah.
Wasn't there a Bell guy too?
libby emmons
Derek Bell?
Is that?
sara higdon
But why do you need to make up fake stories when you have people like George Santos out there that has a shady past that he was lying about?
libby emmons
Well, he was just hanging out in his apartment and he was just making stuff up.
Do you want to do work?
tim pool
You work in a newspaper.
You don't want to work.
You want to make money.
So you just make it up?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's what they do.
ian crossland
What was the guy's name?
I don't want to start naming Derricks from the New York Times because there would be a bunch of them.
libby emmons
I don't remember.
tim pool
Well, he wouldn't work there now.
libby emmons
He doesn't work there now.
What was his name?
New York Times faker.
ian crossland
Really?
Did he get fined or go to prison or anything?
tim pool
Why would he?
It's free speech.
ian crossland
Just to lie to the public?
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
Lying is free speech.
libby emmons
Jason Blair.
It was Jason Blair, not Derrick Bell.
I don't even know who that is.
tim pool
Derrick Bell is the guy, he's the critical race theorist.
libby emmons
That guy.
That's right.
tim pool
I mean, he makes stuff up too.
libby emmons
I'm over here making stuff up.
Totally fake news.
Yeah, it was Jason Blair.
tim pool
What did he do?
libby emmons
He plagiarized and made stuff up and was writing for the New York Times.
tim pool
Recently?
libby emmons
He resigned in 2003.
Oh, okay, that was a long time ago.
Yeah, it was a long time ago, but that stuff's probably still happening.
tim pool
I think it was Bild or whatever, that German newspaper, and he was just fabricating news.
He got a bunch of awards or something.
It's amazing, isn't it?
ian crossland
Yeah, but now they've evolved to making up, having machines do it for you and you don't know that it's them.
I think it's the idea.
You don't want to be the next Jason Blair.
What's up, Jason?
tim pool
I wonder what he's doing now.
sara higdon
Well, they're supporting, now they're using like deep fake videos to support the news that they're writing.
unidentified
Yeah, definitely.
tim pool
Oh man.
libby emmons
Wow, so you actually are sourcing it to something that actually just turns out to be fake.
Like those people that Tim was talking about, the fake event, the fake war games thing.
ian crossland
I know we're evolving to become psychic, or that we could.
I don't see what is going to happen to humanity.
It's got to be that we'll just become a different species.
Homo sapien is about to turn into something else.
libby emmons
Transhumanism.
tim pool
Let's go to Super Chats!
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, and share the show with your friends.
I'm gonna read this later Super Chat first.
7 seconds till the end says, in the Book of Revelations, it does say that beasts, people think the beasts are viruses that will wipe out at least two-thirds of all humans.
Go to TimGuest.com, become a member.
We're going to have a members-only, uncensored show coming up for you at about 11pm.
Those are always very fun and enlightening.
Tomorrow's guest is going to be a lot of fun.
I don't know, should I announce who tomorrow's guest is?
unidentified
Nah, let it hit him.
tim pool
I kind of feel like the guest is big enough to where it's the kind that needs some, you know what I mean?
ian crossland
Some sort of prefacing?
If the guest has confirmed, I would say, yeah.
But if the guest hasn't confirmed... I mean, it's all confirmed.
tim pool
It's just you never know.
ian crossland
No, I mean publicly.
Publicly, if they've confirmed publicly.
I tend to err on the side of caution.
tim pool
That's a fair point.
Let me check.
And then if not, I'll just give a hint, I guess.
ian crossland
Yeah, it'll be a fun show.
serge du preez
Yeah, I think it's going to be really, really big regardless.
tim pool
I think it's going to be real awesome.
I'm so awesome that she's coming.
unidentified
Definitely.
serge du preez
It's been an interesting week here.
tim pool
Yeah.
I don't, I don't think she's, she's announced.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
I think people, I think if she did, people would be chatting us being like, Oh yeah, for sure.
serge du preez
I think for sure.
tim pool
I'm excited.
This'll be a lot of fun.
serge du preez
Just rest assured.
I get, I think you guys should show up at seven 45 or so.
tim pool
I think, I think people are going to be able to guess, but I'll just say it's one of the most prominent, like what?
Like female conservatives.
serge du preez
Uh, yeah.
tim pool
Been in the industry for a very long time.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Politically active much longer than I've been around.
So, uh, I think people could probably guess.
Conservative!
Conservative.
Stop saying Tulsi Gabbard.
It's not Marjorie Taylor Greene.
She's been on the show before.
ian crossland
It's also not Steve Bannon.
tim pool
People are saying Lauren Southern.
Lauren's been on the show several times.
Someone who's never been on the show before.
Very prominent conservative commentator.
libby emmons
That whole thing where her parents got banned from Airbnb was so nuts.
unidentified
Dude!
tim pool
Yeah, right?
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
And now they don't use it anymore.
tim pool
Nobody's guessing.
I think it's kind of funny.
They're saying Marjorie Taylor Greene.
ian crossland
It's going to be a good show.
It's going to be one of those where you're like, oh, I didn't even think of that.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's going to be when you think about it, you're going to be like, how did I not get that?
God, come on.
tim pool
Roseanne Barr, no, but hopefully... Actually, no, we are talking with Roseanne.
We just need to find it, you know, Roseanne lives in New York.
People are saying Megyn Kelly.
unidentified
I will say... You're talking to Roseanne?
tim pool
Yeah.
That's awesome!
Yeah, Roseanne's awesome.
libby emmons
I've been a big fan of hers since I was a kid and I watched that show.
tim pool
Yeah, we're trying to figure out when we can get her to come on, when she's available, when we have time, etc.
libby emmons
That was one of the only shows that I ever watched with my family.
And there was this one episode where Becky did something wrong.
And somehow, because Becky did something wrong, I got in trouble.
And I was like, what is going on?
I'm not even Becky.
I'm more like Darlene, first of all.
Second of all, I'm not on the TV.
I'm here in the house.
I'm watching TV with you.
How could I be in trouble?
tim pool
We're going to go to Super Chats, but I just want to point out, several people in the chat have gotten it correct already.
So you've guessed it correctly.
I'm not telling you who or what, but let's read Super Chats.
All right, Waffle Sensei says, Welcome to the show, Sarah.
Thank you for having a spine and speaking truth.
Your voice can be one of the strongest in the movement to save our kids.
We are lucky to have you.
sara higdon
Thank you.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
All right.
Bullseye Ben.
Oh, is that a gold gem-encrusted beanie from Bullseye Ben?
unidentified
Yes, it is.
tim pool
This one is for you, Ian.
You did awesome in that Cast Castle video.
My co-workers thought something was wrong.
I was laughing so hard.
Oh, I was laughing when I watched it.
libby emmons
It was so good.
ian crossland
It was so funny.
That's great.
tim pool
The show is called Rian with Ian.
ian crossland
That was so fun.
When I was shooting it with Wesley, Wesley Roth was directing, and Aaron was there too.
And at one point, there were so many lines, it was just one of these scenes where he wrote a lot, and he was like, you can just kind of say what you want, you know, this is the idea, but here's some things I want you to hit.
And I was like, getting so frustrated.
I like slammed the table and I was like, wow, I hope that's on, I hope that's on camera.
Cause it was like a Bill O'Reilly moment where I was like, just really, I was getting into character, like feeling Steven's frustration of what he's been going through the contract, you know, like watch it.
Cast Castle.
It's on YouTube and on timcast.com.
tim pool
Some, I don't understand, you know, I guess this will kind of give it away, but everybody was guessing names, and like two people got it right, and we were like, yeah, we think a couple of you got it right, and then all of a sudden, everyone just guessed the right answer at the same time.
All right, let's read more, let's read more.
Yes, and also, I just want to shout out, you may notice that there are now little beanie emojis for those who are members on the YouTube channel to chat, and there's, they're beanie badges, And there's different colors depending on what level you are.
So like the highest level, I think, is an American flag.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's an American flag beanie.
tim pool
But that's like three years, right?
serge du preez
Yeah, you gotta be there for a while.
tim pool
I don't think anyone's done that.
ian crossland
So it's all about how long you've consecutively been a member?
serge du preez
Correct.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then what we're gonna do is we're gonna make another tier of pure silliness, which will give you a golden rooster badge and a bunch of different chicken emojis.
And just because, I don't know.
serge du preez
Yo, we got one in the chat.
tim pool
We've got one, what, a chicken?
serge du preez
There's a little America beanie in the chat.
tim pool
Oh, really?
Oh, look at this!
serge du preez
Yeah, there you go.
There's an America beanie.
tim pool
S, you've got an American flag beanie.
That means you've been a member for, what, 36 months?
serge du preez
I think it's more than that.
36 months.
Yeah.
48 months we haven't gone yet.
tim pool
Yeah.
Wow.
Long time member.
serge du preez
Yeah, shouts out to S. Yeah, Smith with the red pills.
ian crossland
What's up, dude?
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
People posting red pills.
serge du preez
Yeah, we got emojis.
tim pool
Saying the names of people.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
S.A.
Federale says, on AI, I was a young pothead building half pipes.
I DIR through Windows 3.1 found Dr. Watson.
My friends would make it cuss.
I told it to calculate pi and it went on forever.
Supposedly not IBM's Watson.
Gates gave city names to OS code names.
Could Sydney be Australia, the next OS?
Have you guys ever, you ever hear of Dr. Spezo?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You want to look that up?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
It was just like, I don't even know what it was.
I just remember that you could, you could type in, say a word and it would.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
Dude.
This is like one of the original speak.
Yeah.
Creative labs.
Yeah.
I had Dr. Spade.
tim pool
So yeah.
And you'd, you'd be like, you know, say something and then it would, the robotic voice would say it.
ian crossland
1991 MS-DOS.
Uh, and you could literally, it came up with, the name is an acronym for sound blaster, artificial intelligence, text to speech organizer, sound blaster.
It was a sound blaster thing.
tim pool
Sound Blaster.
ian crossland
Artifice was created by Greg and Abs.
tim pool
Well, yeah, that.
S is a member, just S, and with an American flag beanie, the ultimate top-tier beanie.
serge du preez
There's Eric Ailman was in there, too.
tim pool
Oh, yeah?
Yeah.
And then we're going to make the chicken-tier memberships, which will be needlessly more
expensive because if you want it, you can have it, but it's like a choice.
And then we'll put a whole bunch of chicken emojis, and your badge will be a golden rooster.
Yep.
unidentified
It's going to be cool.
ian crossland
I love the American flag beanie.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's cool.
tim pool
JT Fire says, I did not know that I needed Biden and Trump playing Overwatch.
Bidenator forever.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
I found it funny because I literally play Overwatch before the show.
And I'm wondering if I get endorsed.
So I don't know if you guys ever play Overwatch.
You guys ever play it?
unidentified
No?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
The first one.
I haven't touched the second one yet.
tim pool
I'm playing Overwatch 2, and I know that I'm really good, because after every match, whether I win or lose, everyone endorses me, and my username is Timcast, so that must mean I'm really good at the game.
Like, because everyone's, they click the button saying they like you.
No, I think people are probably just like, they know who I am, and they're like, oh yeah, shoutout or something.
But, you know, I only like playing No Limits, I don't like playing Ranked or any of that stuff.
ian crossland
Do you ever go on voice chat and be like, you know who I am?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Hey, what character are you using right now?
What's your main?
tim pool
Oh man, I don't know, probably Symmetra.
I like, but Moira, I'm like undefeatable.
Like just, oh I got like 15 player killstreaks.
I think Moira's just like an easy character to play.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Moira, but Symmetra's the most fun because if you know how to place the sentry turrets in clever ways, it's just like, you're playing these casual games and these people don't understand because they're looking for, I don't know.
ian crossland
Movement, they're looking for movement.
tim pool
No, no, the sentry turrets you place and then they try and blow them up because they're shooting at them.
But I put them on like lampposts or you put them in crevices.
You put them in weird places where they're hard to see and hard to shoot at.
But my favorite is playing No Limits when everyone plays Symmetra.
And then we just line the enemy's door with sentry turrets and as soon as they walk out they instantly die.
ian crossland
Sounds like NATO.
tim pool
Alright, enough Overwatch talk.
Anyway, that video made me laugh a lot because I've been playing Overwatch a lot.
serge du preez
Sounds like NATO.
unidentified
Alright, what do we got?
tim pool
Because Reason says deepfakes won't exist in five years.
That's how fast this is moving.
In five years you will make your own porn, whatever that happens to be.
Yes, but what if, if you can, you can make a video of Joe Biden declaring war and it'll be indistinguishable?
libby emmons
You could make a video of Joe Biden declaring war while doing porn.
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Can I just say, to everybody who plays Overwatch, I just want to, while I have the opportunity, with so many people who listen to this show, please fight on the point.
Can I just, do you guys understand?
ian crossland
Oh, always stand on the point.
tim pool
Sorry, I'm moving.
I'm just, I'm so frustrated.
I know I'm just playing casual, I like playing no limits, but it's like, I'm the only one on the robot, I'm the only one on the point, and they're chasing after the enemy, getting broken apart, and then one Lucio jumps on and captures it, and now we gotta wait another five minutes, and I'm like, my guys.
I understand if you're trying to keep them off the point initially, but once they break your line, you've got to stay on the robot.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
ian crossland
If you have a chance to take the core, take the core.
Don't go get a mercenary camp.
I'm talking about Heroes of the Storm right now.
Do not, do not look at a gift horse in the mouth.
If you have an opportunity to take it home, take it home.
tim pool
Yo, I had a game where we were like 0.03 meters from pushing the payload, and then everyone's just fighting off point, and I'm like, you realize the moment they go off, we win.
Just get on the payload.
ian crossland
Some people play for fun, other people play to win.
So the people that play for fun want combat, they want player versus player, the action, they don't care about the... I know, but I like a little mix.
tim pool
I'm not playing just for like, if I was gonna play just to win, it'd be ranked.
I like having fun and playing different characters.
But I mean, you're still trying to win to a certain degree, come on.
All right, all right, anyway, anyway.
Enough Overwatch talk.
H22 says Biden needs to use AI chat to do his speeches and pre-recorded videos.
I'd vote for him if for that.
I mean, that's a good point.
Why doesn't he just deepfake himself?
Yeah, there you go.
sara higdon
Yeah, somebody should do that.
tim pool
Wajian says deepfakes could be a win for legacy media.
It could be the go-to excuse to dismiss media online.
unidentified
True.
serge du preez
Didn't think about that.
tim pool
Uh, no, because CNN posts fake news all the time.
They're gonna be like, trust us, we're real.
No, you're not.
You're just running the fake news on TV.
libby emmons
Well, and certainly newspapers have posted fake news all the time.
We just talked about Jason Player.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Ben Hickson says, Tim, Ian, are you looking forward to Atomic Hearts?
It is a future-era Soviet Bioshock-like game.
Have you played Prey 2016?
Has the trolley problem?
Oh, that sounds fun.
ian crossland
I haven't played Prey.
libby emmons
That sounds interesting.
tim pool
I gotta say, the first Bioshock is a masterpiece.
The subsequent Bioshocks are kinda meh.
Bioshock Infinite I think is okay, but Bioshock 1, the video game, is...
unidentified
Masterpiece.
ian crossland
You know, my type of games is like Divinity 2.
I love isometric role-playing games, so I'm really looking forward to Baldur's Gate 3 release, and I think we're going to do a live stream of that.
Myself, perhaps, pixelated Apollo.
He's into it.
And maybe Tim.
I don't know if you're into RPGs or if that's something you want to do.
tim pool
I used to play more RPGs when I was younger.
I was playing Breath of Fire for a while because I bought a Super Nintendo.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, Breath of Fire was good.
I think I played Breath of Fire 4.
tim pool
I beat Mario RPG a couple months ago.
It's remarkable playing Mario RPG as an old man now, because everything I do is timed perfectly.
When I was a kid, it was like I'm playing Mario, and I'm trying to time it, and I'm messing up.
Now I'm old, and I'm playing this game for the first time in 20 years, and everything is super easy, and I'm just like, wow, this game's a lot easier than I realized.
ian crossland
Punch-out.
You guys play Nintendo Punch-out?
Mike Tyson's Punch-out?
It was so hard when I was nine, but now... Now it's not hard.
Yeah, just read the cues.
sara higdon
I haven't played video games in a while, but I did buy the new Harry Potter game.
ian crossland
How is it?
sara higdon
I haven't played it.
Because again, I haven't played video games in a while, so I still just have an Xbox One, and so apparently I can't play it until April.
tim pool
Is the JK Rowling thing making it hard for you to play the game?
No.
sara higdon
It's the fact that I have an old system and can't play it.
ian crossland
So you're buying a new system in April?
sara higdon
No.
tim pool
It's actually a pretty good game.
No, no, no.
sara higdon
So they released it.
It's weird.
So, like, with all the new consoles, they released it, like, last week.
With the older systems, like Xbox One and whatever PlayStation it was, they're not releasing it until, like, April.
Oh, weird.
April 4th or something like that.
Yeah.
And so I think that because they want you to get the new system to play, you know, early releases and stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Alright.
Anthony says, Tim, your earlier stories of Nikki, Taylor, and Chelsea are all examples of why women deserve less.
Why Women Deserve Less by Myron Gaines, now available for purchase audiobook coming soon.
Is that Fresh and Fit Dude or what?
ian crossland
What's that all about Nikki Haley?
libby emmons
Yeah, I don't know what he's...
tim pool
Well, I did segments on Don Lemon saying she's past her prime.
Chelsea Handler, I love this one.
Chelsea Handler responded, in a sense, to Matt Walsh, Tucker Carlson, Ben Shapiro, me, and Jesse Kelly, because we were all, to a certain degree, critical of her video on being childless.
libby emmons
Oh, her video about masturbating and getting high?
tim pool
And doing drugs.
But here's the thing.
She included a picture of me in the receding hairline club, and I'm like, okay, well, I guess thank you, Chelsea, for including me in this, because she didn't actually criticize anything I said about her.
Like, Ben Shapiro called her miserable, Jesse Keller very hilariously mocked her, and Matt Walsh said something similar, but my point that I made, I didn't say she was miserable or anything like that, I said, people who don't have kids are going to find themselves in their deathbed in a sterile hospital room, The doctor's gonna walk in and say, is there anyone we should call?
And you'll say, no.
And he'll say, okay, well, we're around.
Call us if you need us.
And then you're gonna be sitting in this room as you lay dying, scared, with no one there to be there for you or to comfort you.
I didn't say she was miserable.
I think she's probably happy as a pig in, well, we've already been swearing in this show, right?
She's happy as a pig in shit as she wakes up, does drugs, and masturbates.
That sounds like she's having a blast.
libby emmons
I mean, maybe she's a good auntie or something.
I don't know.
Good aunties will have people around them.
ian crossland
I heard that argument that you were saying about having kids to have people around you when you're old.
I don't know if I'd like that as an argument of why, because if you just get a bunch of women pregnant, you're gone, and you never see your kids, they're not going to come.
No one cares about you.
sara higdon
They will come.
ian crossland
If you're an amazing human being with no kids, you might have people all around you near the end of your life that just support you and are reminding you that what you did on earth was valuable.
libby emmons
Well, you'd have to make friends with people who are younger than you, because by the time you're old, all your friends are dead.
ian crossland
Right, like fans of your work and things like that.
libby emmons
Or like just people you mentor or something, or like, you know, if you have nieces or nephews or foster families, people that you foster, or like, you know, this is in the arts, there were always young people who were being, you know, friends with older artists and stuff.
I don't know.
sara higdon
I think that's a good point, though.
If you're, like, the cool aunt, then maybe... The cool auntie is a thing.
libby emmons
That's a thing.
The savvy auntie.
tim pool
The other thing I wonder, too, is, like, maybe she can't have kids, and she doesn't want to come out and say that she's barren, and so she tries to find ways to justify a positive feeling around it, and if that is the case, it's really brutal to mock her and call her miserable.
Like, maybe she's trying to make the best of a really bad situation and she really is, deep down inside, sad that it never happened for her or she can't.
So she's just like, well, I can do drugs and masturbate and everyone's just ragging on her and mocking her.
I'm like, you know, it's kind of brutal, you know?
libby emmons
Well, did she even write that bit?
tim pool
Probably not.
libby emmons
She probably was like, OK, I'll do that bit.
tim pool
The bit was bad because it was like, does she not have a job?
You know, it's like it's not kids that make it so you can't wake up and do drugs and masturbate.
It's like responsibility in general.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
So she clearly has none.
And that sounds really depressing.
ian crossland
Just make funny jokes, basically.
tim pool
I don't know.
She doesn't.
sara higdon
She's not.
ian crossland
You know, did you guys know Sarah Silverman's hosting The Daily Show?
tim pool
Sarah Silverman is not funny.
Her bit has always been just to offend you.
But then it got funny because once offending people became taboo, she didn't know what to do.
sara higdon
And now she's for national divorce.
tim pool
She is?
sara higdon
Oh yeah, I think we talked about that.
She made that video like last year, yeah.
tim pool
And then we liked her.
We were like, oh, okay.
Well, you know, we can agree on that.
sara higdon
She would live in America too, I think is what she said.
libby emmons
America 2.
sara higdon
We could have America 1 because it's important to us.
tim pool
Oh, look at this.
Angela McArdle.
Is that a silver beanie with blue gems encrusted on it?
That's a longtime membership.
Sarah's work is valuable to keep conservative side of the culture war from overcorrecting.
Thank you and keep fighting the good fight.
See you at the anti-war rally Sunday.
sara higdon
Yes, thank you, Angela.
She's the chair of the LP, and we are doing the anti-war rally, the Rage Against the War Machine, on Sunday, 1230, starting at the Lincoln Memorial, and it's going to move to the White House.
I have a speaking spot at the White House, so yeah, hope to see everybody there.
tim pool
All right, Thomas Sidebottom says, Bing is connected to a live internet with ChatGPT.
The training set is closed.
Bing is doing the same thing, but with real human response training data.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah.
Crazy.
The Bing stuff looks fun, man.
I signed up for the early wait list.
I'm hoping I can get access to it.
RBK says, I was Chase Bank with a question, and the operator was about to ask questions to identify me, and the guy said, oh, never mind.
You've been voice authenticated.
Scary stuff.
Yeah, cause that means somebody could just deepfake your voice and then call in, hi, I'm John.
It's like, okay, you're good.
What do you wanna do with your money?
Give it to Bill.
Done.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
All right, what do we got here?
What do we got here?
John White says, last week you did a piece on George Kelly, the AZ rancher, being held on $1 million bail.
His family set up a give, send, go campaign titled George Allen Kelly Legal Defense Fund.
Help get him home.
Much more to his story, so keep covering.
We should definitely figure that one out.
Maybe even send someone down there to figure out what happened.
This is the guy that they accused of shooting an illegal immigrant who had multiple felonies or something like that.
He, like, kept crossing the border.
And people had reported multiple gunshots earlier in the day.
So they arrest this 73-year-old guy and they're holding him on a million dollars bail, which, like, makes no sense because where's this guy going to go?
I guess because he lives on the border.
They're, like, I don't know, 10 feet over the border.
It's like, well, the federales will bring him back.
What are you talking about?
His house is right there.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
All right.
Lightning Fire says, do you think AI will be used by terrorists?
Where anything can be possible, everything be off limits.
Would gun control even work with AI when anyone can build with 3D printing machine?
Imagine how crazy it's going to be in the future when you just go to the AI And 3D printing advances well beyond just plastics and PLA or whatever, ABS.
And it can mill metal and mold metal.
And you're like, I'd like an AR-15 mil spec, please.
556.
And it's like, okay.
And then it just starts making all the parts and puts it all together for you.
ian crossland
Perfectly form fit to your hand.
tim pool
Hey, for that matter, in Star Trek, how come they never did that?
You know?
libby emmons
Star Trek was trying to look at us as our best selves.
tim pool
But like, they could make a phaser if they needed one.
libby emmons
Could they?
They couldn't replicate phasers.
tim pool
Why not?
libby emmons
I think it was the replicator didn't do it.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure the replicator- Did the replicator do it?
libby emmons
I thought the replicator didn't do it.
tim pool
If it can make food, I think food is more complicated.
libby emmons
Yeah, but that's already pretty incredulous.
Like, that's ridiculous.
tim pool
Yeah, I guess.
libby emmons
That was definitely the fantasy part of the- Replicating food.
tim pool
I think you could do that.
I guess the idea of Star Trek was that the nacelles would absorb free hydrogen and then use that matter in the replicators and convert it into denser materials.
ian crossland
Yeah, fusion in the matter replicator.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
And bonding, do chemical bonding.
tim pool
And you'd be like, I'd like a cheeseburger, and it would make one.
But what do you do with the cup?
Like, you know, Picard would be like, tea, Earl Grey, hot!
And then it makes the glass, and then he takes the glass out.
ian crossland
You didn't see he just throws it in the trash can.
tim pool
He throws it out the window or something?
libby emmons
Yeah, what happens to that?
I think you put it back in the replicator, yeah.
You must put it back in the replica.
ian crossland
Put it back down in the atom.
libby emmons
It's like matter reclamation.
tim pool
The crazy thing is, technically, based on the lore of Star Trek, you could replicate
libby emmons
people.
Really?
tim pool
Well, that's what the transporters do.
Like the episode where Riker got split into two people.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right.
That's right.
Oh, confirmed from Wikipedia, yes, they can recycle.
The replicators do recycle things.
libby emmons
Can they make phasers?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
That's probably a big article.
libby emmons
They can make batleths, for sure.
tim pool
What about a gun?
Oh, they did?
libby emmons
I think they did.
tim pool
Well, they can make a spoon or a knife.
But imagine, like, that'd be a good, a funny parody where it's like, replicate me a Glock 17.
libby emmons
I want a Tommy gun.
tim pool
Fully loaded.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Well, the holodeck.
libby emmons
They did that in the holodeck.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah, of course.
tim pool
And then they get shot.
That's so dumb.
libby emmons
And then when you take the safeties off.
tim pool
Yeah, the safeties off.
libby emmons
And then you have a whole episode of being scared of the holodeck.
tim pool
We're trapped in the holodeck and they're gonna shoot us.
unidentified
Oh, no!
tim pool
That show was fun.
libby emmons
Oh, I love it.
tim pool
All right, where are we at?
libby emmons
It's my, like, comfort show.
ian crossland
Special shout-out to LeVar Burton and Reading Rainbow.
tim pool
Buddy B says, I've been tentative about membership due to funds, but would 100% throw money at Ian for morning meditation.
Factory work these days calls for zen.
You know, my first thought is, Buddy, give me money.
ian crossland
But if you do have to wake up at 8 a.m., meditating is one of the best things you can do if you wanna clear your mind and be refreshed for the day.
Stretching, first thing I do when I wake up is I stretch.
tim pool
What we'll do is we'll record at midnight, because it's technically the morning, and then it'll be uploaded at 8 a.m.
for everybody.
libby emmons
But it'd be nicer if it was live.
tim pool
Ian's midnight meditation.
ian crossland
Yeah, live stream, because I think the power of multiple humans meditating together, regardless of where we are, the entanglement.
libby emmons
Instead of just watching something that previously happened.
tim pool
Waffle says, Tim, you're playing Overwatch with 12-year-olds, bro.
It's not gonna get better, I'm sorry.
I know.
I know that's the case.
sara higdon
So... Do they dance over you when you die?
tim pool
You can really tell when you're playing against a team.
Well, that's the funny thing.
It's like, I've played where... I mean, dude, it's such a fast-paced game.
If you start teabagging, you're done.
Like, I'm gonna walk up, and then you start doing a stupid thing, and then you're instantly wiped out.
ian crossland
Is it, does the reticule, is that how you pronounce that word, reticule?
That's what I call it.
Does it bounce or is it always straight in the middle, no matter how fast you're moving, no matter if you jump, it's always directly in the middle of the screen?
Or does it like bounce and wave as you're running?
It doesn't bounce.
That's why I never got into Overwatch, because I felt like I was playing Borderlands 2, and I liked the gunplay of Borderlands 2.
Felt a lot more realistic and challenging, like if you're running, you don't have like perfect aim when you're running.
Just felt kind of robotic.
tim pool
Overwatch. BrettAintDead in the member chat says, Tim, what do you play Overwatch on? Either way,
add me. Same name on here. We'll crush 86 babies. I play on PS5 and my username is Timcast,
and I imagine the next time I turn my PlayStation on, it's going to go bling, bling, bling, bling,
friend request, friend request, friend request. And it's fun playing with a real team, and you
know you're playing with other 30-year-old men because everyone groups up before running in.
You can tell you're playing with little kids because everyone dies sporadically and then run out one at a time.
Also their whole team is there just five shot like You know, five versus one, five versus one, and I'm just like, please just wait 20 seconds for the group to come together before rushing in.
ian crossland
Wait for five, wait for five, please.
sara higdon
It's like the Leroy Jenkins.
tim pool
Right, that's exactly what it is.
ian crossland
I'll play at night, and like, you can tell people are getting drunker and higher the later the night goes on, because like by 3am, No one's even talking on chat.
tim pool
Ant345 says, Bungie is woke as hell, but I love Destiny.
Hunter class for life.
Yeah, I stopped playing Destiny a while ago.
I played Destiny since the beginning of it, and then I can't remember the last one I played.
sara higdon
Destiny 2 was one of the last ones I played.
tim pool
Well, there's a bunch of expansions.
So the last one I played, I think, was when the darkness was released and you were able to wield the darkness or whatever.
ian crossland
I'm not familiar with Destiny.
tim pool
Yeah, Destiny's a fun game.
libby emmons
Hey Ian, so when do you wake up?
ian crossland
It depends on the day.
I woke up at 1 today.
I woke up at 9 a.m.
yesterday for a 10 a.m.
meeting.
I try to take late meetings.
I usually start my day around 2.
I work 2 to 11 basically.
So I get up around 1, go to bed about 3 a.m.
usually.
libby emmons
That's fair.
tim pool
Nelson Nelville says, Cast, has anyone ever recognized you while gaming?
Ian, has anybody recognized you while gaming or anything?
ian crossland
Uh, not unless they know I'm gaming ahead of time.
And I always feel, it feels weird, like I like the anonymity.
That was a big problem of why I kind of dipped out on social media for a decade is because, like, I was going to chat rooms and we were all having genuine conversation.
Then I started to get well known.
And when I'd go into the chat room, the conversation would stop and people would be like, Ian's here!
unidentified
Ian, Ian!
ian crossland
And I'm like, no, I just want to have a conversation.
So no, the short answer is no.
tim pool
For me, my PlayStation username has always been Timcast, well before I had any substantial amount of followers.
So I just log into the same thing every time.
But my joke earlier was, I get endorsed every time I play, and I don't think it's because I'm good at the game.
I think people are just like, oh, hey, Timcast, you know, and they click endorse.
So it's like, you've been endorsed.
And I'm just like, yeah, I'm pretty sure I was not doing well.
ian crossland
That's the sad thing about being famous is like, do those people really like me?
Do they really like me?
Or are they just...
I hate that.
tim pool
Well, I'm playing casual.
I'm not playing ranked.
If I was playing ranked, they might be like, hey, it's cool you're here, dude, but you're costing us the game.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
True.
tim pool
So playing the casual stuff, like No Limits, where you just get like six Symmetra's to all run in at the same time and pepper everything with turrets is just the most hilarious thing ever.
And then the one thing I can't stand is when everyone thinks it's funny to play Mercy.
And I'm like, what do you guys think?
Like six healers on one person is going to stop you from losing?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Whatever.
It's fun, though.
It's all good fun.
All right.
Mr. Juzno says, isn't drinking distilled water bad for you?
I remember hearing that it lacks the minerals, thereby diluting the mineral levels in your cells.
That is correct.
At least that's what I understand, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, you're supposed to reintroduce minerals to distilled water.
tim pool
And that's why our filtration system has added minerals.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, in addition, to filter vinyl chloride out of your water, I heard that you could do activated charcoal and reverse osmosis combined, those two things.
libby emmons
Oh, here we go.
tim pool
Jason Dixon's got a gold beanie with red jewels encrusted to it, and he says, two years, seven months, 23 days, get on my level.
Just get on his level.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe there's other stuff we can add to make YouTube memberships mean something more.
I mean, the issue, I suppose, is there is a chat now, and we're getting massive feedback from people being like, we can actually have conversations.
This is cool.
People were using Chicken City.
This is the thing people need to understand.
They would turn the show on and then open Chicken City and use the Chicken City livestream chat as the chat for this show.
These are things that we saw where we're like, okay, this chat clearly isn't working, what can we do?
So you can always go hang out in Chicken City livestream chat for free and talk about whatever you want.
Or we figured the membership thing is a way to make a clean chat with no limits, so you don't gotta wait five, six seconds or whatever, and you can just chat.
ian crossland
I like it.
Golden Gaming's saying, free the chat, almighty antichrist, nobody cares, dash z dash love it, like, you guys are, I can see you now, and oh, Tracer's in the chat.
Red beanies equals MAGA beanies.
tim pool
Tracer's got a red beanie.
Maybe we should put MAGA on the red beanie.
We could do that. Yeah, a little MAGA. There's also the 20-sided die, the 20 on the 20-sided
die and the one on the 20-sided die. Yeah. But it's hard to see the number. So that was about
unidentified
rolling 20s. So we'll have to figure that one out. We already got that coming on the update. So.
tim pool
Okay, cool, cool. And then we're gonna, we're gonna create the, uh, the golden cockerel.
So smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com.
We're gonna have a members-only show coming up for you in about one hour and it's gonna get pretty serious because we got some very serious subjects to talk about that might be too spicy for this family-friendly version of the show.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow TimCast News on Facebook where we're gonna be publishing our news articles and you can help by sharing them if you think they're important.
And that's TimCastNews on Facebook.
And you can follow me personally at TimCast.
And my other YouTube channel is YouTube.com slash TimCastNews, for those that aren't familiar, and I've been doing that longer than this one.
But I'm now doing six segments per day on that channel, so it's like two hours of content.
It's another podcast I have called the Tim Pool Daily Show, which has about half as many viewers as this show, but I don't think there's a strong overlap, so if you want to check it out, you can check it out.
Yeah, Sarah, you want to shout anything out?
sara higdon
Yeah, so if you want to go find me, just go to my website, which is sarahigdon.com.
It has links to all my social media platforms.
I'm on just about everything.
But just like my YouTube is youtube.com slash sarahigdon.
And then Twitter and Instagram is both just sarahigdon with an underscore after it.
And so that's it.
And yeah, come on Sunday.
And I'll see you guys out there if you guys come out to the anti-war rally Sunday.
tim pool
Someone made a Miguel is saying I would do Tim cast after show it for if it were live.
That's a really good point, and we're going to look into that because I think it is possible to do a private members-only live stream on Rumble.
We just need to figure out how to do it.
Yeah, we can do it.
We can definitely do that.
serge du preez
I'm pretty sure we can.
We've been asked before to do that, I believe.
tim pool
Because we can do the members-only as a live stream on TimCast.com.
serge du preez
Yeah, it'd save us some time after.
ian crossland
Is there a live chat?
Because that'd get wild if people were talking to us.
tim pool
Yeah, probably through Rumble.
serge du preez
I imagine so.
unidentified
That would be cool.
tim pool
Let's figure it out, because then we could take questions and stuff from the members as well, and that would be lit.
Spicier questions.
libby emmons
That would be very fun.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Anyway, Libby, you want to shout anything out?
libby emmons
Sure.
I'm at Libby Emmons on Twitter, and you can check out what we're doing at thepostmillennial.com every day.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland.
Follow me at iancrossland.net.
Subscribe to me on YouTube at Ian Crossland and you can also check out this Cast Castle skit on Cast Castle YouTube channel and tincast.com.
I just want to give a special shout out to Amish Man, Joseph, RG2 Tracer, Ted Thornton.
I know I already mentioned you, Tracer, and Brett Ain't Dead.
tim pool
Tracer is an Overwatch character.
ian crossland
You guys in chat, you make this happen.
Well, we make this happen and you're here with us making it happen.
We're all making it happen together.
Happy to be here with you.
Thanks for being here.
unidentified
Bye.
serge du preez
And I am at Serge.com.
Follow me on Twitter.
It's at S-E-R-G-E-D-O-T-C-O-M.
Everyone doesn't get it right.
They keep telling me about that.
Spell it out with an E and I will go argue with you.
I do respond to everything.
At least I try my best to.
Cheers.
tim pool
I want to stress the Cast Castle video, so go to YouTube.com slash Cast Castle for one reason.
Ian is arguing with Roberto Jr.
on the phone, and he secretly recorded Roberto Jr.' 's conversation, and I just, you know, I love chickens, so I find it very funny.
libby emmons
I thought it was hysterical.
ian crossland
Do you want to play a clip now, or just let him go to Cast Castle?
tim pool
No, let him go check it out.
libby emmons
It's so funny.
tim pool
What is that recording device you have?
unidentified
It's awesome.
ian crossland
It's Wesley's.
What is that thing called, Wesley?
libby emmons
I called it a Teddy Ruxpin.
I know it's not that.
ian crossland
It's not a talkboy, but that's what, uh, if you saw Steven Crowder's video.
tim pool
It's like a Fisher Price.
libby emmons
It's a Fisher Price!
That's the word, yeah.
tim pool
With a tape recorder in it.
libby emmons
That's the word.
tim pool
Alright, check that out.
libby emmons
It's the Teddy Ruxpin era.
tim pool
We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out.
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