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Jan. 27, 2023 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Pfizer Director ATTACKS Veritas Crew After Being Confronted, DUDE LOSES IT w/Joe Kent
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hannah claire brimelow
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joe kent
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phil labonte
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tim pool
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serge du preez
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tim pool
Project Veritas just put out the video we were talking about a little bit yesterday
that when they went to confront this Pfizer director asking about comments he made discussing
mutating the COVID virus profit, the man became irate, loses it totally, starts accusing Veritas
of doing illegal things, then physically attacks the Veritas crew, stealing the iPad and like
falling to the ground.
Chaos ensues.
The store owner locks James O'Keefe in the building.
This guy's screaming, calling the police.
Apparently, after James O'Keefe leaves, the dude is waving his arms in front of vehicles and cars, screaming, yelling, calling the cops.
Yeah, this is crazy.
This is a crazy story.
The guy goes out and says, I'm not really, I don't really work there.
I'm a consultant, and I was just lying to impress somebody.
But the way he freaks out and loses his mind says something.
Because, you know, maybe he's telling the truth.
Maybe he was lying.
Maybe he was just trying to impress a date.
That's fine.
James O'Keefe didn't come out and say, they're definitively doing gain-of-function research.
He said, a director at Pfizer said these things.
Why?
Tell us about it.
And the dude goes off.
Now that story, I really want to talk about it, because I think it matters what these big pharma companies are doing.
But yo, we got such crazy news today.
Atlanta, Antifa's going nuts, so the government is activating a thousand national guard.
Wow, who'd have thought?
Autonomous zone has grown out of control and there's, I don't know, terrorism happening.
They're charging these people with terrorism, so it's not even riots anymore.
We're at that level.
Then we got this, the FDA has come out, and YouTube, keep your pants on, The FDA, we have the story, we have the fact check, NewsGuard certified, is warning about a connection between strokes and taking the flu shot and the COVID shot.
If you get them within a certain amount of time, it increases your risk of stroke.
That's actually being reported right now.
Then, the US is sending tanks, the German foreign minister says, we are at war with Russia, and it's just like, wow.
A lot of this news happening within the past hour.
It's one heck of a Thursday, my friends.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and so much more is Joe Kent.
joe kent
Hey Tim, thanks for having me on.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Welcome back.
Who are you?
What are you doing?
joe kent
So I spent about 20 plus years in the military.
I was a Green Beret, retired from that, and then kind of got into politics.
I ran last cycle in 2022.
Won my primary, won the Republican nomination, and then came up a little bit short in the general.
And that was so much fun, I decided that I'm going to do it all over again.
So we just announced about two weeks ago that we're back in the fight for 24 for Washington.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So I mean, you're getting started early.
joe kent
That's early, right?
That's early.
We started early last time.
I mean, look, unfortunately, these things take a lot of money.
And so you need time to build up that war chest, especially if you're taking out an incumbent.
And then also, we just wanted to keep the momentum going because a lot of people are unhappy with the results.
tim pool
I don't answer this, but I really I'm curious what would happen to your district if Eastern Oregon actually ends up seceding?
Like, do you have to move to Idaho?
But we'll talk about that.
We'll talk about that.
So thanks for hanging out.
We also got Phil Labonte hanging out.
phil labonte
Hello, everybody.
I am Phil Labonte.
Phil from All That Remains.
Phil That Remains on Twitter.
Yeah, happy to be here.
tim pool
You're wearing a collared shirt today.
phil labonte
You know, the thing is, I know a lot of people watch this and, like, Tim's let me come in.
I want to do the band proud.
I don't want to embarrass my bandmates.
tim pool
Right on.
Hannah-Claire Brimlow's hanging out?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I'm here.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
tim pool
For some reason they switched seats.
I don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
Whatever.
I just want everyone to notice what's not behind Phil right now.
I don't have control over these things.
tim pool
We took the Biden down.
The creepy Biden was scaring children.
joe kent
He's creepy.
That's a creepy painting.
tim pool
You see the painting?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So we were like, we should get rid of it.
phil labonte
It was the right move.
It was definitely the right move.
tim pool
Not just American flag.
It makes us feel good.
unidentified
Perfect.
joe kent
Now he's just kind of lurking below the table.
unidentified
I'm not sure if that's any better.
hannah claire brimelow
Don't give away our secrets, Joe!
Come on!
phil labonte
Get over there and get him.
Come here, Joe.
hannah claire brimelow
We just want to know he's always with us.
That's the thing.
joe kent
Exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We got Serge pressing the buttons.
serge du preez
Yo, what's up, guys?
AskSerge.com.
Let's do this.
tim pool
Right on.
All right, let's jump into this first story.
Check out this tweet.
We got this tweet from Benny Johnson.
He posted the video from Project Veritas.
I suppose I could have just pulled it up from Veritas, but Benny Johnson had a really great hashtag attached to it.
Lied suddenly, and we all thought that was pretty good, so shout out to Benny.
And this is the video.
I'll play just a little bit.
It's 10 minutes long.
I'm not going to play the whole thing for you, but we'll play a little bit of this so you can see what happens.
unidentified
Hey there.
Is this seat taken?
You work for Pfizer.
My question for you is, why does Pfizer want to hide from the public the fact that they're mutating the COVID viruses?
joe kent
Is this real life?
serge du preez
I'm literally a liar.
unidentified
I was trying to impress a person on a date, but I'm lying.
This is absurd.
Please don't touch me.
Well this is not, by the way, don't tell anybody.
Why are you doing this?
This is not like, he was just working at a company to literally help the public.
You f***ed up.
joe kent
You really did!
unidentified
Can you please unlock your door?
No, no, don't let them leave.
Please unlock the door.
tim pool
Don't let them leave.
Please, please unlock the door.
Then, look, he attacks James!
Look at this!
unidentified
Please unlock the door.
tim pool
Lock the door.
He says you can't just record people like that.
Actually, you can.
unidentified
This is the best video in ages.
tim pool
Yeah, this video is crazy.
That was the highlight reel.
And we talked about it a little bit yesterday.
So for those that don't know the context, James O'Keefe's Project Veritas was undercover filming a guy who's listed as a Pfizer director of strategic research or something like that.
And he's saying that they're exploring mutating COVID to sort of preempt it so they can make more vaccines, make more money off the vaccines.
He says, don't tell anybody.
They even have a clip in this where he's like, you're not recording me, are you?
Why do you keep talking about this?
Don't be recording me or whatever.
So that's the context here.
Now, I think James has been particularly forthcoming in breaking down what this story is.
You'll notice the first thing that James shows in it is the guy saying, I am a liar.
I was trying to impress someone on a date.
Not true.
He says, I'm not a doctor.
He says, I'm just a consultant.
Veritas put that right in the first 15 seconds.
They want you to understand that.
Of course, what you're gonna hear from the fact checkers, and I'll pull this up, is they're trying to make it seem like Veritas came out and asserted that Pfizer was doing this.
No, no, no, what Veritas came out and said was, hey, we got this guy on camera who is listed as a director at Pfizer saying they're looking into doing this.
Can we get some answers as to why he's talking about that?
Hey, maybe, maybe he is just trying to impress some guy on a date.
I would be surprised.
I talked about it the other day.
I think that happens.
People are, you know, there's, hey, let me tell you about the corporate malfeasance I'm involved in.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
For some reason, they think it'll attract a mate.
phil labonte
The thirst.
That's why.
It's the thirst.
tim pool
But yo, man, like we got a bunch of crazy news.
But when I actually saw the video of the dude physically attacking the Veritas crew, and then take a look at this at the end, James leaves.
Let me play the like the last minute.
Check this out.
unidentified
Come on, guys.
Where's the where's the car?
Where's the vehicle?
Keep walking.
Come on.
tim pool
This is insane.
So he's leaving, but I also want to point out, they locked the Veritas crew in the restaurant.
This is the weird thing.
James walks in all calmly, walks up to this guy, and he's like, can you answer why you said these things?
The dude goes to the store owner.
Store owner takes his side immediately.
And James is like, this calm dude wearing a suit, being like, I'm just a journalist asking questions.
Here's where it gets crazy.
She says, you need to leave.
And he goes, okay, we're leaving.
Then this guy, Walker, says, no, no, don't let them leave, don't leave.
And James is like, ma'am, he doesn't want us to leave.
Is it okay if we stay and ask him a few questions?
Then the lady apparently, or someone at the restaurant, goes and locks them in.
And James is like, can you please unlock the door and let me leave?
It's the craziest story.
So here's where we're at.
Now James is leaving.
Check this out.
unidentified
Witness one of the most remarkable interactions ever.
Do we have the iPad?
So we're getting into the vehicle now.
Where's our car?
tim pool
So it says, Walker desperately tried to stop a car he believed was crewed by Veritas.
unidentified
And that car is like, what is going on?
tim pool
But by this point, James and production had already left the restaurant.
That's so crazy.
unidentified
He's charging the guy.
Charging, charging, charging.
You can't make an arrest at this point.
You don't have the victim right here.
Okay.
If he was here, you'd arrest that guy?
If he was here, yes.
tim pool
If James O'Keefe was still there, they would have arrested Walker.
unidentified
Here's what I gotta say about this and what we should talk about.
tim pool
The ending there, I think, is the most revealing.
That he tried to stop a random car jumping up and down in the street.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
What must be going through this guy's mind that he would have such, what's the, unhinged reaction, like, yo, dude, lost it.
I'm kinda wondering, you know, he works, he's saying, like, I'm lying, I swear I'm lying, and I'm wondering if, he spilled the beans in a situation where, you spill the beans like this, you could sink a multi-billion dollar company, you're gonna cause a lot of problems.
His reaction's only making it worse.
joe kent
Yeah, absolutely.
hannah claire brimelow
And like, what's in his contract that they can bring against him now?
Like, what penalties is he gonna face from Pfizer?
I can't imagine.
tim pool
NDA violation, easy.
serge du preez
Yeah, at least.
phil labonte
I imagine that, you know, being in that situation could end his career.
I mean, who's gonna want to hire the guy after that?
tim pool
Well, I mean, to be honest...
If his reaction to James O'Keefe was like, look man, they're really doing it, and I don't know what I'm supposed to do, and it freaks me out.
That's why I was talking about it.
phil labonte
He got a job with James O'Keefe.
unidentified
He got a job with James O'Keefe!
tim pool
He could have been one of those whistleblowers that gets one of those GoFundMes.
Instead, he loses his mind and attacks them.
Now nobody was anywhere.
But I don't know, what do you think?
Is this just a guy who was lying because he wanted some dude to like him?
joe kent
I think the big thing is we just need the government and Pfizer to just be honest with us.
I mean, I feel like this whole interaction was kind of like a microcosm of COVID since 2020.
Like if somebody said something and then someone else, James O'Keefe, came and said, hey, can I get some more information on that?
And then the regime...
him inside.
And they freak out.
You can't ask that question.
You're the liar.
The gas lighting starts.
You're the one that's in the wrong.
Then we all get locked inside together.
I mean, this has been the reaction since COVID started.
Anytime a reasonable person says, hey, can we get a little bit more information on this?
This is this is interesting that there was the Wuhan Institute of Virology right there.
Do you think maybe it came from that lab?
Boom, you're nuked automatically.
You say, hey, I don't want to have to take this vaccine.
I don't want to have to lock my community down.
And then boom, they are all over you.
Just like this, the exact same reaction that gentleman had.
phil labonte
Stuff with Wuhan.
I that's the this the thing that really bothers me the most is that is the most obvious assumption
Now, I don't know if it's true or not, right, whether it came from the lab or not.
Personally, it seems likely to me.
But at the same time, it also seems the most obvious thing that people are going to assume.
Right.
You know, so to new people's, you know, Twitter pages or or social media accounts or whatever, For saying something that is for an uninformed person, a person that's ignorant about how viruses work and stuff, making that kind of conclusion and saying, oh, well, that that seems it to me.
And then just being like, well, you lose all of your your social social media privileges just because you thought of something that seemed like an obvious idea.
tim pool
The lab leak theory stuff was weird.
Early on during the pandemic, we talked about it, I talked about it, there was no issue on YouTube.
Then all of a sudden for like a few months there was.
If you claimed it was a lab leak, all of a sudden it was like, now you're getting banned.
Then all of a sudden it was gone again.
And then Jon Stewart came out and he said, come on guys.
Like you think the bat coronavirus emerged from a wet market Across the street from the Wuhan Coronavirus Research Center.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
Come on.
And then Colbert actually argued with him.
And I'm like, at that point, everyone's kind of leaning in the direction.
And I think it's fair to say it's there's there's no direct Proof.
I think it's fair to say common sense or a reasonable assumption is, yo, come on.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
But do we have like, I'll put it this way.
What we do have is early on in the pandemic, there were researchers at the University of Beijing who put out a report or some research paper saying that people have been bitten by bats and peed on by bats.
I would like some sworn testimony on that, but hey look, you're dealing with communist China, good luck getting it.
So I think it is a reasonable assumption that it's the case, but you know what?
I don't know.
I'm not an expert.
I defer to directors at Pfizer.
joe kent
Right, let's hear what they have to say.
tim pool
Who work on these things and tell their dates that it most likely came from a lab because they were doing gain-of-function research.
hannah claire brimelow
I like that at one point he goes, like all men, I lied.
I was like, man, you're just throwing everyone with you.
phil labonte
Sounds like a feminist.
tim pool
Look, the bigger the story, the bigger the lie.
For him to come out, I lied, I lied, it's like, okay, now I don't think you did.
If he came out, there's so many things he could have done.
He could have come out and started just, he could have told James, I've been working with the CEO directly, and then just started hammering out the lies, had totally discredited himself, Instead, he goes the route of physically attacking, screaming, jumping in front of cars, yelling, I'm a liar!
I'm a liar!
Please believe me!
phil labonte
It's like- Really bad behavior.
tim pool
Bro, if you're a liar, I'm not gonna believe you.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
You know what I mean?
So I'll tell you what I think.
I don't think he was lying to impress a date.
I think he was trying to impress a date.
phil labonte
He's telling the truth to impress a date.
tim pool
There's a part of this video, I think it's this video, where, right here, check this out, check this out, look at this.
This part right here, let me play this part.
unidentified
I do not want the public to know that you guys are doing directed evolution.
Bro, what is going on here?
I thought it was like an interview.
I don't know, it just kept freaking me out.
These flashbacks of seeing an organization of those conservative people who would randomly go into organizations and then befriend people who work in these organizations and then report them, which happened to people at Pfizer.
So it freaks me out when people start asking a lot of questions about what we're doing.
Why would I go to this company?
joe kent
Because I just want to know the answer.
unidentified
And he was.
Oh man!
That's so crazy.
Oh my god, Jason, that'd be horrible.
You better not be recording me or something.
tim pool
And he was.
Oh man!
That's so crazy. What's going on here?
That's crazy, dude.
phil labonte
That's hilarious.
hannah claire brimelow
You know what this reminds me of?
tim pool
Why are we back on this topic?
Because I want to know the answer.
serge du preez
Walks in like Chris Hansen.
joe kent
So he thought it, but then he still wanted to continue impressing his date.
And so the next day when James O'Keefe comes in, he's just like, oh man.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, we talked about this before.
You were saying like, at what point did they start dating?
Being suspicious, right?
That if you keep asking specifically about this job that you're not supposed to talk about, at what point are they like, maybe something's going on, but I guess this person is so, I don't know, unhinged, maybe a little bit emotionally loose.
tim pool
This is why I think you're telling the truth.
He actually gets to the point where he expresses, why are you asking me this?
It kind of makes me feel like I'm being recorded.
Yeah, like, he's starting to realize, hey, wait a minute, what I'm saying could be a problem.
hannah claire brimelow
Second or third of the date in, though.
tim pool
Third date, I think.
He said third date in the video.
hannah claire brimelow
Oh, man.
tim pool
I mean, I gotta say, I do feel bad because These people are on dates.
They're laughing.
They're enjoying themselves.
This guy goes on some dating app, meets some guy he really likes, and then, you know, he's like, they're out for pizza.
They got this nice pizza there.
Could you imagine, like, sitting down, you're chilling, not trying to think about work.
The dude you're actually with is about to destroy your life.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
And he's secretly recording you.
phil labonte
I do feel bad for him.
It is also, at the same time, hilarious.
I can't help it.
tim pool
Well, no, his reaction going crazy is hilarious.
But I'm just like, man, I think his brain broke when he realized.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, he's totally panicking.
tim pool
Look, when you get a Twitter employee being like, yeah, we ban people, then the information
gets released by Veritas.
It's like, well, what's the worst that's going to happen?
Your liberal friends are going to be like, good for you, screw those Nazis.
But what happens if you come out and you're like, all those evil things you've been accused of that you don't believe are happening, I admit it to people in private.
And now everybody knows I said it.
And that I, you know, either I'm lying or we're doing so.
Now what are you gonna do?
joe kent
Yeah, he knows he's basically gonna validate the argument of the other side that they've already said is completely and totally evil.
So where does that leave him?
I think that's probably why he's in such a panic.
tim pool
I bet the media comes out now and says, mentally unhinged man confronted by Veritas, story completely discredited.
phil labonte
You think they're gonna throw him under the bus?
tim pool
Oh yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
It's almost gonna be like, he has a history of this, that, and the other, which like, is almost more disgusting, because if that's true, if he has whatever issues, like, they're gonna use it for their protection.
tim pool
Check out this story from Newsweek.
Fact check!
Does Project Veritas video show Pfizer is mutating COVID?
Hold on there a little minute, Newsweek!
Why are you fact checking a claim that's not been made?
This is the interesting about how the media manipulates public perception.
Project Veritas released a story that says, Pfizer director says thing.
They did not say thing was happening.
They said, hey, look, we filmed a guy who said they're exploring mutating COVID, that he thinks the virus came from the lab, et cetera, or intimated that it did.
So the media does is, does Project Veritas video show Pfizer is mutating COVID?
But no one made that claim.
Now they can come out and say false.
It doesn't.
Here's the crazy thing about it, though.
We'll jump straight straight down to the bottom.
Actually, it leans slightly towards true.
It says unverified.
So it's not misleading.
It's not false.
It's not satire.
It's just unverified, which puts their needle leaning towards true.
OK, that's kind of crazy because James did not say that they that Pfizer as a company was doing this thing.
Now, a bunch of people are complaining about the fact check because the fact check does just needlessly disparage Project Veritas and falsely frame the question at hand.
But when even Newsweek, and Newsweek isn't the worst, but when even they try to falsely frame this and still end up with I can't say it's not true.
It's kind of interesting where we're at these days.
Yeah, I don't know.
joe kent
And they're just trying to throw so much, like, white noise, I think, at it to avoid the obvious question.
I mean, everything that guy says is very compelling, especially when you verify his CV.
Like, this guy actually is working on these things, and the obvious question is, what is he talking about?
But then they have to throw this, well, you know, did they really say they were doing gain-of-function and just debunked and that?
tim pool
Yeah, I guess.
The crazy thing is, The media's not even, they're completely ignoring it.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, I shouldn't say it's crazy.
In the context of Newsweek trying to do a fact check, it's crazy that this is completely being ignored when the video, I think it got, in like eight hours, 10 million views.
Probably more, because I shared it, other people re-hosted it, things like that, but I'm pretty sure 10 million views on this video in a day.
hannah claire brimelow
It's wild.
phil labonte
I mean, I think that I think the consensus here is probably that he was not actually lying, that he is telling the truth.
Because even if you're even if you were thinking, I'm going to tell this person stories that are not true to impress them, why would you tell them the stuff that the people you just said you are afraid are coming to find you?
Why would you tell them the stuff that they're looking to hear?
tim pool
That's why I was saying, like, when he's in the video being like, you're not one of those secret conservatives recording me, right?
It's like, he's starting to think, wait a minute, did I just spill the beans on this one?
But ultimately, I guess here's my question, we'll make a political, like, what do we do about it?
So let's, this guy said this thing, okay?
He did, it's a fact, he said it.
James O'Keefe has done his due diligence and shown this guy is listed as having this job.
So what do we get?
Should the Republicans subpoena this guy?
joe kent
I would think so, yeah.
tim pool
They're doing the COVID investigation.
They're launching that.
What do we get out of it?
Do you think anything will come of it?
joe kent
Well, hopefully we get some sunlight and we get to actually see once and for all, maybe not everything we want to see, but we get some very basic questions asked.
I mean, I think this just goes into the file of all the other evidence we have.
I mean, everything that's happening right now in the medical community died suddenly, all that.
The questions that people have, I would add this to that long list and that this guy should be subpoenaed.
You know, he should be, he should be questioned or the folks that work for him, his supervisor.
I mean, this just gives us a good starting point.
hannah claire brimelow
I think it's interesting that he is so comfortable with this information that, you know, first, second, third date, he's talking about it, right?
Like, that's unusual.
Everyone has a first date anecdote that they, you know, bring out to, like, show your personality or whatever, and this is his.
So that means that he's in an environment where they're openly talking about this comfortably, right?
This can't be the only person.
He can't have only told a Project Veritas person about this.
Like, who else?
And that means that this is something that they... Because what struck me about the first video is him saying like, oh yeah, this would be bad for America, but it's good for us.
And then in this video he's like talking about himself.
How could he ever trust anything?
Like, it's only self-centered motivation.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
Do you think The Republican Congress is actually going to do legitimate investigations into all of these issues.
I mean, it's not just the pandemic stuff.
You got the Hunter Biden stuff.
We talked about this before they narrowly won, but we're not entirely confident.
I mean, we as in the people on the show.
Kevin McCarthy is actually going to give us real investigations.
joe kent
So far, so good.
I mean, I think what the direction they're heading right now, they're putting the right people on those committees.
I mean, MTG is on the COVID committee.
I mean, that's pretty awesome.
We've got Jim Jordan, Dan Bishop, and a couple other fighters that are on the government accountability, the modern day church committee.
Um, going after the intelligence community, going after the administrative state.
So we've got the right people lined up.
Now, a big question is what can they do?
They can issue subpoenas.
Unfortunately, since the budget got approved, all these different agencies, they have their money.
So these agencies can do what they just did with Jim Jordan.
He issued some subpoenas and they said, the DOJ said, we'd love to, we'd love to help.
However, this stuff's all under investigation.
So we can't help you.
So Congress is a little bit limited in saying that, Hey, if you guys don't show up and participate, We are going to withhold some of your funding.
That's not going to be available until next year.
But I think right now, the direction things are heading, I think we will start getting some answers, at least.
phil labonte
My biggest fear is not about answers.
It's that we'll get some kind of answers, but there will be nothing that's done.
Like, we could find out terrible things, that Pfizer's doing awful things, but because the executive branch is Democrat and it's Joe Biden, I don't see him actually making a move.
tim pool
But this is exactly why I asked it.
James O'Keefe does this sting operation, gets a pretty damning quote from someone high up at Pfizer, be it a consultant or otherwise, maybe he's lying, sure.
This warrants, in my opinion, investigation.
joe kent
Absolutely.
tim pool
But it's not even about the executive branch, it's like...
So we have this panel, of course, of people like Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Are they gonna issue the subpoenas?
Are they actually going to get documents?
Are they actually going to make people come in and testify even beyond the executive branch?
But I think your point's better, that we can maybe assume Marjorie Taylor Greene's definitely gonna do something.
joe kent
Yeah.
unidentified
But then what?
tim pool
The DOJ does nothing?
phil labonte
Yeah, the only thing Congress has is the sergeant-at-arms.
Other than that, it's like they can't do anything to make anything happen unless the executive... Unless you're evil, like Chef.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
Well... I mean, even, to be fair, he didn't even get to.
joe kent
Another good thing is that we got Schiff kicked off the intel committee.
Schiff and Swalwell.
That dude is pretty epic.
tim pool
Evil, man.
joe kent
Yeah, absolutely.
And he should be held accountable.
tim pool
I mean, he released private phone records of a sitting member of Congress, Devin Nunes, and he released the private phone records of a U.S., a private U.S.
citizen, John Solomon, and a journalist.
He said in February of 2018 that they had evidence Trump colluded with Russia, but it just wasn't publicly available.
This guy was lying the whole time.
That's scary.
joe kent
That's like one of the number one ways you can abuse your security clearance.
I mean, I had security clearance the entire time I was in the military.
I worked in the CIA for a little bit, but for him to lie and say, I have this access to classified information.
It's really bad.
I can't tell you what it is.
You just have to trust me.
We need to start ruining people's lives like that.
Anybody else would be absolutely annihilated out of the intelligence community.
tim pool
Can you talk about your time at the CIA?
Sure.
What did you do?
joe kent
Yeah, I was a paramilitary operations officer.
So case officer who has a special operations background who goes into this paramilitary stuff.
phil labonte
He's a CIA guy that gets into gunfights.
joe kent
Yeah, yeah.
So the core mission of the CIA is to go out and to recruit human sources.
A lot of places that we need to do that are very dangerous places.
And so they'll hire guys out of special operations.
tim pool
So you worked directly with the CIA, you weren't like a contractor or anything?
joe kent
No, yeah, I was a full on GS employee.
tim pool
What's your general opinion, considering what we've seen with the DOJ, with the intelligence community, with a lot of corruption?
What's your assessment?
joe kent
Oh, it's rotten to the core.
I mean, the CIA, the FBI, DOJ, like, the problem is we've had these bureaucrats that have been running things at the mid to senior levels.
The Pentagon's the same way.
I spent 20 years in the military.
Your average person who enlists in the military or becomes an officer in the military, they, you know, they want to, they're just, you know, like I was, they want to go serve their country.
Same thing in the intelligence community.
However, there is this administrative class that endures every single administration that we really never saw rear its ugly head in all of our lifetimes, obviously Kennedy and all that, but really until Trump came in.
So I came in in 98 under Clinton, served all the way through.
And, like, when Obama was elected, most of us, I was a Green Beret at the time, you know, we lean a little bit right.
Not all of us, but we weren't happy that Obama won, but we took an oath to support and defend the Constitution.
Obama was the boss.
None of us questioned it.
You know, fast forward eight years when Trump gets elected, and that's not who the administrative state, the managerial class, that's not who they want.
And it was a night and day difference.
Like, they basically said that they were not going to adhere to Trump's orders.
hannah claire brimelow
And they follow through with that?
Like, how did they implement that?
joe kent
They implemented that mostly by just slow roll.
I mean, especially this is basically the long story of how I got into politics.
My late wife was also in the military.
She was killed fighting ISIS in Syria one month after Trump gave the order to pull our troops out because Trump ran on, hey, I'm going to end these endless wars.
We need to go fight and destroy ISIS.
But once we destroy ISIS, we're not staying in Syria.
There was a huge concerted effort.
There still is.
Within the administrative state, the DoD, to keep us in Syria and do like another great regime change war because those always work out so well.
And Trump wasn't having any of it.
He gave the order to pull the troops out.
Mattis resigns.
Brett McGurk over at State resigns.
And Trump's orders, the commander in chief, the people that the American people chose, his orders were completely and totally disregarded.
And a month later, my wife was killed over there.
So that's, And so I've seen that time and time again.
And with Trump, it went everywhere from like the benign slow roll, public resignation, all the way to everything we've seen with Russiagate, the tools of the intelligence community being used against a candidate in a political campaign at the time, all the way to all the guys in government, you know?
I mean, I could go on for hours about all that.
But yeah, I mean, I think the Trump administration just really, because they weren't expecting him to come in and they weren't expecting him to push back so hard, we really got a snapshot of what's going on below the surface there.
phil labonte
That's something that I think is one of the most valuable things about the Trump presidency.
As much as there are people out there that are going to go ahead and say that Trump was a foreign agent or in bed with foreign agents and stuff, it really did show that the bureaucracy really is the uniparty.
There's one agenda that the Government has and the whether it be Republican or a Democrat, the differences are marginal.
You know, you're talking about a two or three degree shift in policy.
joe kent
Mostly cosmetic.
phil labonte
Yeah.
And then you get someone in like Trump that regardless of what you think of him, it seems like the guy really wanted to do the things that he said.
And everybody was flipping out because when does a politician try to do the things that they said they're going to do?
Like that hasn't happened in decades or whatever.
So I think that it was a really good thing that That at the very least, Trump being in office and seeing that the bureaucracy, the entrenched bureaucracy or the deep state, whatever you want to call it, they literally are running the show and will do everything they can to throw a monkey wrench in even the president's
tim pool
So what do you say to people who will just say, you're a Fed.
Why should I trust you?
joe kent
Yeah.
I mean, that's, I understand.
I get that actually quite a bit.
phil labonte
But here's the thing.
tim pool
Yeah.
joe kent
I mean, I tell people my background was, my job in the CIA is, you know, counterterrorism.
But if we're going to take down the administrative state, we need people from the inside who understands exactly how the sausage is made, where the secrets are kept and those types of things.
Because I think a lot of times we get I'll say two things.
Congress calls these intelligence officials, Department of Defense folks to the carpet
and says, hey, explain things to us.
They say, well, I can't.
It's classified.
That's sources and methods.
And if you have people that have worked in that space before, you can really start pushing
tim pool
back.
I'll say two things.
The first is to that point about needing people from the inside to come out and explain what's
going on.
I mean, this is what Project Veritas does.
They get whistleblowers, often.
Sometimes it's a sting, sometimes it's a whistleblower.
So how many people work for Project Veritas right now who are literally the people at big tech working on the censorship who said, this is bad, I can't do this, and then went to Veritas and said, let's change it.
Not to dissimilar, you working for the CIA coming out saying, hey, this is bad, we need to change it.
However, I will also add the old saying, once CIA, always CIA.
So, I think this is why a lot of people are, in the chat, they're all like, FedCast, he's a Fed!
phil labonte
The spook is here!
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like it must be different.
You're describing being Green Beret, taking this office, you say, oh yeah, I didn't want to bomb in, but I took an oath, whereas you have this other class that feels like when they lose, they get to manipulate the system.
You know what I mean?
I could see, maybe you are a Fed, but at the same time, I could see that there is a division even within that.
To me, that speaks to a lot of the dissatisfaction with the lack of military recruiting that we have right now.
I mean, if you guys can't turn around and say to the next guy coming up, hey, there are some challenges, but it was worth it, then how are we going to keep that system rolling?
Maybe we shouldn't.
joe kent
I don't know how we're going to keep our country.
I mean, that's a big thing.
Like when we can't recruit for the military, like I'm against all the escalations and all that, but we need to have a military.
If people aren't willing, I mean, that's a huge issue.
People aren't willing to join the military.
tim pool
You know, the weirdest thing to me is this, it's like a demand for conspiracy.
It's a demand.
Ron DeSantis starts giving people everything they want.
He opposes critical race theory, he opposes the gender ideology, he opens up the country, he starts implementing these policies.
Then we start hearing from just some people, they're like, it's too good to be true, he's deep state, he's got bad people around him.
And I'm just like, if you can't vote for exactly what you want, you've lost already.
So it's like, the best thing you can do is support what Is good and what you need and want and hope for the best, but like politicians lie.
I mean, what can you expect?
phil labonte
The thing that sucks is, is like most people feel the same way.
And so that's why you have the, the, you know, the, the uniparty you get Democrats and Republicans.
And people are like, well, I don't really like the Democrats, but I really hate the Republicans, so I'm going to vote for the Democrats.
And then you have people that are like, well, I really hate the Democrats.
I don't like the Republicans much, but I'm going to vote for the Republicans.
No one gets a perfect candidate.
And I think that a lot of the problem is people Look at our government as if it should be a top-down government, and they don't realize or don't think about the fact that the people that are going to have the most effect on their daily lives are their local politicians and congresspeople.
If you write your congressperson, you may get a response.
If you write your senator, you ain't getting a response.
If you write the president, you ain't getting a response.
joe kent
But you go to your city council, you start going to school board.
I've been going to a lot of school board meetings in this process I've had of being a candidate.
And I mean, that's school board meetings and engaging with your sheriff.
I mean, that right there, that's the stuff that actually affects people's everyday lives.
It's a little bit different.
We had harsh COVID lockdown, so we had the overstep of the federal government and our governor as well.
But yeah, that's definitely true.
hannah claire brimelow
But it's still the local politicians that are going to battle the federal government on your behalf, right?
You still need them.
joe kent
You need them 100%.
tim pool
Let's jump to this story, which is oh so spicy.
We got this one from the Daily Mail.
Before I read the headline, I just want to say, do not take medical advice from podcasters.
Talk to trusted medical professionals about what's right for you.
Because the Daily Mail says getting Pfizer's COVID booster and flu vaccine on the same day may raise the risk of a stroke, FDA says.
The FDA says it, okay?
phil labonte
The FDA?
tim pool
The Food and Drug Administration found the preliminary link while scouring vaccine injury databases after a separate safety concern was raised about Pfizer's jab.
Earlier this month, one of the country's vaccine surveillance systems flagged a possible association between the Omicron-specific shot and an elevated risk of ischemic stroke among seniors over 65.
FDA officials who have been investigating the link said most of the patients had also received their flu shot on the same day, which might be a factor.
Millions of Americans got both shots at the same time this winter following a major public health push by the White House.
In September, Dr. Ashish Jha, White House COVID response coordinator, said, quote, I believe this is why God gave us two arms, one for the flu shot and the other for the COVID shot.
Yo, wait a minute, I mean, this, I don't know if this is definitively the cause of why we're hearing about more strokes, why more excess death or heart attacks, but the White House was telling people to get both, it's quoted, and the FDA is now saying, there may be a link here.
So, I don't know, I guess, how long do you think it'll be until they come out and definitively be like, oh yeah, about all that, that was correct.
Like, is the FDA wrong right now to suggest this?
I'll frame it that way for our friends over at YouTube.
joe kent
At least they put it out there.
I mean, I do think we're in this weird space right now where I think our ruling class has realized they got this whole COVID thing completely and totally wrong.
But because of pride, them worrying about any kind of repercussions, but then also just the whole sunken cost fallacy.
You continue to double down.
It's really hard to say, you know what, we got this wrong, especially since we were so harsh on all the random people out there who said, I have questions, I don't know if I want to do that.
tim pool
This is funny because it's a casino dad joke.
When you lose a bet, you go, well, you know what they say, when you lose a bet, just gamble twice as much because you're not supposed to do that.
joe kent
That's how the casinos are built.
tim pool
That's right.
This is kind of crazy for me to see this story.
I mean, we had so many crazy stories just come out in the past couple of hours when we started this show.
And what had happened was, I think it was a couple of weeks ago, they said that they found a potential signal between, I think it was strokes, I think it was strokes, I'm not sure.
There was a signal between vaccines and some negative side effect, but they're not sure if it was actually correct.
Now it looks like they're saying, the FDA is saying this, that they went in and they started looking and said, hey, wait a minute, maybe it's because people are getting both these shots at the same time.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
That could explain a lot.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I feel like the FDA wouldn't come out and even give a potentially there's maybe something there unless they had to, right?
Like they don't want to cede any territory on this front.
tim pool
It's not just that.
I mean, imagine you work for the FDA and you're sitting there looking at this document that says this thing and you're thinking, I'm going to lose my job at Pfizer when I retire from the FDA if I put this report out, but you really have no choice.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe kent
And the crazy thing is like the vaccine, if this was any other vaccine or booster, I think they would say, Hey, wait, stop.
We don't know what's going on here.
Let's, let's, you know, have a pause.
Let's study it.
But because they've invested so much in it right now, all we get is these like kind of willy nilly warnings because it's the sacred COVID vaccine.
tim pool
I half agree.
With Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca, they did put a stop on those because I think, what was it, AstraZeneca was the blood clot one?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, AstraZeneca was.
tim pool
And then Johnson & Johnson.
hannah claire brimelow
Johnson & Johnson was blood clots, but it was only the one dose, and there were other, like, comorbidities that were up there.
tim pool
Yeah, like, the U.S.
doesn't have AstraZeneca, I'm pretty sure.
And then, you want to fact check this one?
I'm pretty sure the U.S., they said, hey, we're going to put a pause on the Johnson & Johnson one because of a risk of blood clotting or something like that.
And then WebMD, I think it is, and the American Heart Association have come out and said
that there is, that myocarditis is a rare side effect of the mRNA vaccines.
So it seems like a lot of the fears people had early on are now just basically being affirmed by powerful
institutions and health organizations.
That being said, I will stress, they also add, they're extremely rare side effects, but they do find these links.
So, I want to make sure people don't, look, I know a lot of people are outright, either, people are like, either everyone must be vaccinated or totally anti-vax.
It's like, it's fine to be somewhere in the middle and just be like, look, talk to a doctor.
COVID could be causing this.
It could be a combination of things.
It could be, like you said, they've invested too heavily in this and they won't back down.
hannah claire brimelow
Johnson & Johnson pulled, or the U.S.
pulled Johnson & Johnson because of a link to blood clots in December 2021, and then AstraZeneca was paused in Europe by a bunch of different countries in May of 2022.
tim pool
I think, isn't some country stopping the vaccine, the mRNA vaccine, for like people under 29?
Was that Sweden or something?
One of those Scandinavian countries.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, there was a whole wave of countries that paused COVID vaccines.
I think it was Pfizer specifically for young men because they saw the link to myocarditis and all the heart issues.
And then they kept raising it.
It went from being like, oh, well, 12 to 18.
And then I think in some countries it went all the way up to like 45.
tim pool
We got a problem with this.
If the FDA is really putting the story out, because if they're saying that a combination of vaccines can cause problems, then we've got to have an inquiry on, have we done studies on the combination of all vaccines?
I don't think, I don't think you really, I think it's very difficult to do this.
phil labonte
I think the conditions were different. I don't think that there's any question about the fact that the FDA would be
like, stop everything.
Stop. You can't put this out.
Blah, blah, blah, etc. I think that that that goes without saying.
The reason that they're so tentative about this is because they for so long were pushing so hard and demonized the
population and called people all the names that you could possibly imagine.
And now they're like, oh, well, they've already destroyed their credibility.
hannah claire brimelow
And they think that they're defending you from terrible conspiracy theorists, right?
Yes. Saying like, well, we can't give up this front because then the conspiracy theorists have won and they'll they'll
tell you all sorts of horrible things.
It actually reminds me of conversations people have about.
um...
Preservatives in foods, right?
Like, if you eat store-manufactured food or whatever all day, you're actually putting a ton of stuff into your body you don't know about.
I don't know anything about it, really, but, like, it is something you wonder.
I can only imagine putting lots of different types of vaccines that you can't in a consistent way test their interactions.
It's a gamble.
tim pool
Oh, well, you can test their interactions.
It's just a question of, have we?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and also, it would be difficult to reproduce study after study after study that are able to consistently test them.
tim pool
Let's talk about the actual challenge here.
I mean, the permutations of vaccine combinations is probably in the billions or trillions.
So we actually do have a challenge in this idea of health technology.
We make vaccines.
Most of the vaccines that people get have been tested and tried out for decades.
We seem to be doing all right.
I've gotten a whole bunch of crazy shots when I was traveling the world.
I'm totally okay.
And so I know there's a lot of people who are like staunchly anti-vax.
We had Candace Owens on.
She talked about this on the Members Only show.
She gave her opinions on this.
But the question is, every time we come out with a new medication, it would be impossible to, and not even vaccines, but any drug, any drug.
So let's say they come out with a new painkiller.
They're going to have to test what happens if someone's on this painkiller and drug A, drug B, drug C, drug D, drug E, drug F. I mean the combinations are going to be in ridiculous numbers.
Now they do have like counter indications like hey don't take this if you're taking this.
So to the best of their abilities they do track this stuff but for the most part it seems what happens is They give someone a painkiller.
The person's also on a blood thinner.
They then see the person have a negative reaction.
They then, you know, track this and say, hey, over the past thousand combinations of these drugs, we saw negative reactions.
So it's like the studies are happening in real time, essentially.
I think, I guess what I'm trying to say is, Any attempt we're going to have at making drugs or medical technology is going to run into side effect problems.
And how we navigate that stuff, I don't know.
joe kent
I think just being honest, I mean, I think the reason why we're seeing so many people now that are outright like militant anti-vaxxers is because they've been lying to us about so many different things regarding COVID.
We talked about this a few years ago.
Ian brought up a really great point.
We were all like, no lockdowns, lockdowns are wrong.
vaccines. I don't trust anything you guys are saying.
And that's pretty dangerous because I think if like a real legit lethal virus hit
the U.S. shores tomorrow, there's a lot of people, probably myself included, that
would be like, I don't believe you.
tim pool
I'm not going to take that. We talked about a few years ago.
Ian brought up a really great point.
We were all like, no, lockdowns, lockdowns are wrong.
And he said, what if it was an airborne Ebola?
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
And then we're like, okay, that's an interesting point.
But ultimately, the conclusion we came to was, look, if you choose to go out during a pandemic, it's your choice.
And if you don't want to stay inside, lock your doors.
But there is an interesting question I have, right?
A lot of people are staunchly anti-vax, but my question legitimately, maybe I'll do a poll on this.
I don't know if I can phrase it, get enough characters to make a poll on this one.
But people have gotten COVID.
Some people have said it's not that bad.
Some people have said it was pretty bad.
Some people said it was apocalyptically bad.
For me, it was nightmarishly bad.
It was the worst illness I've ever gotten.
I've had the flu before and I was pale and shaking.
I got COVID, I actually called a hospital.
joe kent
Oh, really?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, because it was bad.
My temperature was really low, my breathing was very heavy, and it was pain all over, and then I ended up getting monoclonal antibodies.
I've told this story a million times.
My question is this.
For the people who are not trusting of the government, if you actually witnessed people suffering Ebola symptoms, like you walk outside into the streets and people have blood coming out of their eyes, and they're hacking up black, and they're going, and they're falling over, And then the government came in a truck and they were like, we've got the vaccine quick.
You need to get it now.
Would you guys accept it?
phil labonte
Well, think of it.
joe kent
I just think there's been so much trust burned that you would have to see.
I mean, people nowadays, not everybody, but I think there would be a significant portion of our population who would be like, I don't care if you put it on the news.
I need to see it with my own eyes.
Until then, I think you guys are screwing me.
unidentified
Well, no, no, no.
tim pool
But that's what I mean.
Let's say you personally.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
Saw people outside hacking up black and bleeding from their eyes and then slumping over and convulsing, and then a truck pulls up and they come out and they say, Mr. Kent, we've got vaccines for you and your neighborhood.
Please come.
We're going to administer them to you.
Would you say okay to that?
joe kent
Yeah, I think at that point, yeah, that makes sense.
tim pool
It's tough, though.
It is still a hard question.
Some people would say no.
I understand why they'd say no.
They'd be like, dude, I don't know what's going on.
Where was it?
Nigeria?
Where was the Ebola thing happening?
Do you remember that a few years ago?
serge du preez
My Ebola Valley.
It's like near Congo.
tim pool
So people were running from the doctors, and the doctors are trying to stop the spread of Ebola, and the people are like, I don't trust you.
And so they would flee, and then actually spread more Ebola.
It's a tough situation, I gotta be honest.
phil labonte
I think that I think that the situation would really boil down to the, you know, the context.
If you're like, if you're looking at people that are, you know, vomiting blood and stuff, the risk is probably far greater of dying from that than from a vaccine.
The reason people are worked up about covid is because covid for a lot of people was not as was not deadly if you were in good health and you didn't have You know, contributing factors and stuff.
And that's part of why people were upset.
It's like, I had to take this.
These have risks.
I was healthy or I am healthy.
I probably wouldn't have a problem.
tim pool
You know what I kind of feel like?
The highest risk demographic was the older people, people with comorbidities.
So it really does feel like politicians who are scared for themselves told everyone else they have to do it so that they would be better off.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I've known people- that's how, like, some young moms get told they need to get the flu vaccine, right?
They'll say, like, there's a bad flu outbreak in our city and you have a newborn baby and if you don't pass down, like, through breastfeeding or whatever the antibodies for it, then your baby is at risk and an infant at this age can't handle the flu, right?
And so they get the flu vaccine.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the flu vaccine, I'm just giving it as an example, when maybe they would have opted not to because they felt like They are actually protecting someone else.
I think that's how the government sold to a lot of people.
If you have elderly parents, do you want to be the one that gave them COVID?
unidentified
Right.
hannah claire brimelow
Or do you want to be kept away from them?
Like, it put people in a really difficult position.
And unfortunately, COVID was not a clear-cut example of who of how bad the symptoms were, right?
Like, if someone's vomiting up black goo and bleeding from their eyeballs, like, okay, I guess I'm in.
tim pool
But like, right, you know, there's a limit.
hannah claire brimelow
Right, but also like a really bad fever can be extremely dangerous, right?
A high enough fever you can have seizures.
So there are things that look, that aesthetically don't look as bad, but they are also terrible and can be devastating.
tim pool
The reason I bring this up before we go on to the next story is We had this Project Veritas expose of a guy who is either a consultant working at Pfizer as a director or a director at Pfizer saying that he believes the Wuhan lab leak is likely where this came from because COVID couldn't have come from somewhere else or whatever.
That's his opinion.
In 2020, this was the big theory.
People were saying that they believed it was a bioweapon leaked from a lab.
If that theory were true, then it makes more sense that the governments of the world, in panic, desperately tried to make a vaccine to stop a bioweapon that leaked from a lab.
In which case, the vaccine, it makes sense why they're like, you have to take this!
Because if you think about it this way, Fauci is providing this funding, the lab leak thing happens, and then he's probably going like, oh man, oh that thing I made is getting everywhere, we gotta get a vaccine, everybody's gotta take it.
That makes a lot of sense to me.
And then if people are having blood clots and other weird problems, it makes more sense, Occam's razor would suggest, that COVID is causing these things, and not the vaccines.
Because what you'd have to believe then, is if you think it was the vaccines causing it, that not only was COVID a buy-up and leak from a lab, but then after it released, they went, now let's make everything a whole lot worse!
Okay, so then it's not a lab leak, it's an intentional release and a fake.
Look, I'm not saying I know for sure one way or the other, I'm just saying it's way more fantastical to believe that.
But I don't know.
I just don't know, right?
And I can only say this, there's no functional official narrative.
Like, the average person just not trusting of the government at this point, because the stories just do not work for people.
So the only thing I can really say is, be like Joe Rogan.
Find a medical professional that you trust, that can answer your questions, and then, you know, like I always mention, I called Joe.
I always have to shout Joe out because they dragged him so much for this when his whole position was like, I called a doctor and asked them what to do.
Because their position was going to the 7-Eleven parking lot.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe kent
I get you.
tim pool
I mean, for real.
Let's jump to this next story.
We got this from the Daily Beast.
Georgia governor activates 1,000 National Guard troops amid cop city protest.
I just really love how everybody is framing this.
This is not a protest.
This is domestic terrorists who have been charged with domestic terrorism, who shot a cop and put him in the hospital while trying to seize territory.
These are individuals who crossed state lines with semi-automatic weapons.
They did.
That's right.
I mean, that's the most shocking of it.
And then when the cops, they firebombed houses.
They firebombed houses?
joe kent
Houses.
tim pool
Under construction houses, to make sure the context is clear.
They were building houses.
They came in and they torched them.
A guy was driving his truck.
They firebombed it.
He fled.
They flipped his truck over.
These are dangerous, violent, psychopathic terrorists.
phil labonte
Gunfights.
tim pool
Gunfights with police.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
And then when the police went and moved in and this guy shot a cop, put him in the hospital, severe injury, not critical, severe.
They shot back, killed the guy.
You get leftist media saying, oh, the police killed this guy.
You get the activists coming out.
Then the activists call for the assassination of cops.
Now in Atlanta, they are deploying 1,000, or they're activating 1,000 National Guard.
Brian Kemp is declaring a 15-day state of emergency in Georgia amid the civil unrest.
1,000 National Guard troops are being activated.
I guess my question is this.
I got a couple questions, actually.
Is this the beginning of a new summer of love?
Is this stuff going to continually get worse, do you guys think?
And what should be done about it?
joe kent
It'll keep getting worse if we don't take the action that Brian Kemp and then the Atlanta police are taking right now.
So as somebody from the Pacific Northwest who had their communities absolutely ravaged by Antifa, big time kudos to Georgia for not putting up with this crap and actually taking measures to prevent it from spreading.
Because in 2020, I agree.
We did, unfortunately, our government in Seattle and in Portland, they just let it go.
And it's continued to this day.
And here we are in 2023.
So I hope they continue to really crack down on these guys, charge them with domestic
terrorism charges.
phil labonte
I agree. I mean, I'm not I'm not I'm not a huge fan of of the militarization of the
police and stuff. But if you have armed groups that are causing that kind of chaos and
and mayhem, you're going to have a serious problem with your society.
Like, Atlanta is gonna have a mess until those people get clean, until they clean up the situation.
And if that means that you have to start throwing people in jail, you have to, because they're ignoring the rights of the other people in Atlanta.
The problem isn't, oh, you know, it's The problem isn't that the Atlanta police are heavy-handed or whatever.
The problem is that there are actual anarchists and communists looking to start a revolution in Atlanta right now.
And there's no two ways about it.
If you talk to them, they call themselves revolutionaries.
If you talk to them, they will say that they are looking to engage the cops.
Give them the fight they want.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
Joe, did you ever get an explary?
unidentified
Go ahead.
hannah claire brimelow
I was just gonna ask if you ever got an explanation from, like, y'all's government over why they didn't do more.
You know, why the inaction was, you know, status quo.
joe kent
No, we got basically nothing but gaslighting.
I mean, they'll still tell us that, hey, there was protesters and, you know, the elected officials down in Portland and Seattle would even go as far as to say is like, this is just peaceful protests.
All the cliches of, you know, Summer of Love that came from Seattle, that came from the jazz.
I mean, up until they showed up in her neighborhood, then she called the cops and she wanted them the heck out of there.
The communists want a revolution.
There's still no accountability.
Yeah, that was hilarious.
I mean, and these guys, they didn't just trash Portland and Seattle.
They came in even some of the rural districts because they were emboldened because no one
was stopping them.
We needed the government to step in and they didn't.
So good on Georgia.
phil labonte
The communists want a revolution.
Give them the fight they want.
They're looking, they're literally looking to fight the government.
Government, go give them the fight!
tim pool
Well, arrest them, lock them up, and stop the fight.
phil labonte
Well, that's what's going to happen.
I mean, you're basically going to stomp a mud hole in their book.
tim pool
The problem is, it's not stopping.
phil labonte
Because the government's not doing anything.
tim pool
Right, but when the cops did go to try and confront this, this is what happens when you ignore the problem.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
The police went to confront a bunch of far leftists who came, crossed state lines with weapons, with semi-automatic weapons and rifles, and they shot a cop.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
The cop was in severe condition, was brought to the hospital to get surgery.
They returned fire and self-defense, killing one of these guys, if they had just arrested them.
But the problem is, I think there's two things.
You've got Democrats who are unwilling to confront the left wing of their own party because it empowers them.
And then you've got members of the Democratic Party who agree with them.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
So, you know, you guys, I hope you have your whiskey ready or whatever it is you drink because Civil War?
phil labonte
Look.
tim pool
I've talked about it quite a bit.
I don't know exactly what shape or whatever will happen, how it's going to happen, but we're at the point now where it's 2023 and we're hearing that not only have we graduated from Antifa sitting in the street taking over street corners, we now have people traveling from across the country to seize big portions of land, shooting at cops, firebombing the city, calling for assassinations, and being
charged with domestic terrorism.
We are now out of the territory of Antifa through a milkshake, and we are now in the
territory of Antifa is coalescing, shooting at cops, firebombing buildings, again, and
being charged with domestic terrorism.
The escalation is happening.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
Will it be isolated to Atlanta or is the summer going to be another summer of love?
unidentified
Yeah.
joe kent
I mean, unfortunately, that answer is really up to Antifa.
I mean, because we've given them all the initiative.
I hope they keep doing what they're doing in Georgia.
So maybe they'll move out of the South and come back to the Pacific Northwest, unfortunately, or New York City.
But until these guys are actually targeted, and the crazy thing is that the federal government, as opposed to chasing down every single, you know, grandmother who was anywhere near the Capitol on January 6th or going after parents that show up at school board meetings, maybe they should be going after the people that are killing people on our streets and burning down our entire cities.
Like, use the FBI for that.
tim pool
We talked about this a few days ago when the Mike Pence story happened, where they find documents in his house or whatever, and I'm like, what if we're dealing with a tit-for-tat?
What if we're dealing with a fractured DOJ where, of course, you're talking about the CIA, but not every single person in the CIA is woke?
And not every single person in the CIA agrees with you in the Constitution or is anti-woke.
You're gonna have a mix.
I've talked to people who worked in intelligence, I get emails from them, I get messages, and they say like, listen, it's the same in here as it is out there.
There are some woke people, there are some not woke people, most people don't care, don't want to be involved, but the woke people speak up, they get passes.
So I'm wondering if the DOJ goes after Trump, Trump then gets his house raided, so you'll get some element of the FBI getting angry and saying, I'm sick of this, and then finally putting their foot down and saying, we're going after Joe Biden.
All of a sudden, Joe Biden's lawyers are like, yep, yep, yep, yeah, we have him, we have him, here, take him, we're cooperating, we're cooperating.
And then, the anti-Trump, anti-Republican faction says, oh yeah, you go after Biden, we're gonna go after Pence!
And then Pence's people are like, yep, yep, we found these documents, we found these documents.
I'm wondering if, you know, the question is why, Are they going after everybody?
And is it possibly a tit for tat where we're seeing different factions within the executive branch just targeting their political enemies?
joe kent
Yeah, I mean, that's, it's a possibility.
I think this could just be one big administrative state flex for them to just to say, hey, we've got dirt on all you guys.
And at any point in time, we're going to find something that whole, you know, show me the man, I'll show you the crime.
I feel like a lot of that's going on right now, because this is a very big power play if you're the administrative state within the course of two weeks to say, hey, Republican and Democrat, maybe you guys had ambitions for 2024.
We just found some paperwork that's not straight.
tim pool
That's a good point.
It may be an attempt to regain control of the system.
A hard whip crack to both parties.
We own you.
joe kent
Yeah.
And by, I mean, Biden's been compromised six ways to Sunday by so many different entities that whoever, you know, installed him and propped him up and got him into office, whether whichever pathway you believe that that took place, Biden was definitely propped up.
They've got so much dirt on this guy that it was just a matter of them deciding when, you know, it's like, Oh, is it going to be the classified documents?
Burisma?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But it seems like they could just tell him.
It seems like they'd be like, Joe, have a nice retirement and he'd be like, okay.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like he doesn't want to. I mean, he kept saying before, uh,
like around Christmas, he was like, oh, well I'll make a decision.
I'll make an announcement about 2024 in January and we're all going to think
about it. And then two days later he kept saying people like, oh,
maybe Jill doesn't want him to run.
And then two days later, it's like, oh, no, Jill definitely wants him to run.
I mean, they didn't release his annual physical.
Like, they have been super cagey about him this whole time.
And he has been insistent that he will run again.
So I think Joe is not as submissive as they would like him to be.
But he's not in good shape.
joe kent
No, he's not.
I mean, and that's the thing that he's been compromised.
He went through all this risk to be compromised.
Now he's finally got what he wanted.
I don't think he's gonna have a fight.
And he's got people around him that benefit from him being there.
So I do think there's gonna be some, you know, behind the scenes fighting there.
phil labonte
I mean, I think that you're kind of at a point where if you're not vindicated now about the whole Civil War stuff, I don't see... I mean, I could be wrong.
tim pool
I don't know.
phil labonte
What was that?
tim pool
I said, I don't know.
I could be wrong.
phil labonte
I was just... Well, it's kind of already going on.
tim pool
Well, that's kind of what I've been saying, and the point I often bring up is like, guys, I'm just reading these news articles about national security assessments.
Like, my opinion on this is rooted in reading a bunch of news stories that say national security experts – I mean, what did you have, you're like a former CIA analyst, wrote a book saying we're entering the second phase, which brings us into civil war, and I'm like, okay, you know.
Maybe, I guess.
Buy chickens.
unidentified
You got chickens?
joe kent
Yeah, we got chickens.
tim pool
Gotta have chickens.
Yeah, eggs now are so expensive.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's become a crazy issue, but it's funny because, look, I'm not going to tell you why eggs are expensive.
Like, I'm just going to say you need to have chickens because you need to be self-sufficient.
But if you really want to know, a bird flu hit chickens and then they started culling chickens.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So a lot of people, I had someone say to me, you're lying about inflation and eggs.
You're blaming Joe Biden when it was a bird flu that killed all these chickens.
And I'm like, I never said any of that.
But it wasn't the bird flu that killed the chickens.
It was orders by the government to kill all your chickens.
So apparently they were instructing people to cull their flocks because of fear of the flu, and they're trying to slow it down.
We've got a backyard flock.
They're fairly isolated.
We don't have to worry about chicken diseases or anything like that.
hannah claire brimelow
They're not going to chicken school.
They're not catching other birds.
joe kent
They're locked down.
tim pool
Yeah, they're locked down.
They're wrapped up.
But that being said, considering everything that's going on, there was a story I was reading the other day about some 23-year-old woman from, I think, Seattle.
She leaves the city, buys a farm in the middle of nowhere, and is now prepping.
And it's just like, when you get a 23-year-old TikTok influencer, urban woman, who's decided this is the path for her, it kind of says a lot, because it used to be if you were a prepper, they mocked you.
Now it's the cool thing to do, to go on TikTok and be like, yeah, I'm prepping.
joe kent
Yeah.
phil labonte
Nobody makes fun of preppers anymore.
joe kent
Yeah.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Well, the peppers are the ones sitting back with the whiskey and the cigar laughing at us saying, I ain't got anything to worry about.
phil labonte
The peppers are the ones that were like, when, when COVID hit off, we were just like, okay, all right, what now?
Cause everything, you didn't have to run to the store.
tim pool
But that's, that's, that's just.
Overtly true.
I was at a gas station in like Arizona or something during the lockdowns and this lady, I asked her because like the gas station was open, everything seemed to be fine, nobody was wearing masks and I was like, this is interesting.
And then I asked her, I was like, have you guys noticed anything about like with the lockdowns?
She's like, oh we're preppers, we don't care.
And I was like, we got three months worth of toilet paper.
We're not worried about toilet paper.
I started laughing.
And then she like looks at her husband and she's like, right.
And he's like, we got everything.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
And I'm like, okay, like these people literally don't care what's going on.
They're probably laughing all the way to the toilet paper closet.
phil labonte
Yeah.
The fortress of solitude in New Hampshire, dude, I was fine.
I didn't have to worry about it.
tim pool
Can I just mention how crazy that, like everybody knows how crazy that was, but let's just bring it up again.
Those videos of people fighting over toilet paper.
joe kent
Yeah, it was wild.
tim pool
Absolutely wild.
joe kent
I think a trip to Seattle would probably make most people want to go prep.
If you're prep skeptical, just go to Seattle, maybe downtown Portland, and you'll know why.
tim pool
Let's talk about the end of the world, I guess.
We have this story from Newsweek.
Germany says quiet part out loud about Ukraine war.
You know, if you Google search, Germany declares war on Russia, this is the story you get.
And the reason why is, Germany's foreign minister said, we are at war.
So it's not a formal declaration of war.
She's literally, I would say, in the colloquial sense, she is declaring that they are at war with Russia.
This basically means NATO, basically means us.
Michael Tracy tweeted, Germany declares war on Russia, posting this video of her saying it, and then he got fact-checked on Twitter saying there has been no formal declaration of war.
And he was like, no one said there was.
I'm saying that she is declaring war on Russia.
So we also have this story, which goes along with it.
Russia says it will consider the deployment of German Leopard 2 tanks as the use of nuclear dirty bomb if they use shells containing uranium core.
Alright, here we go.
So Russia's gonna come out and say, you started the nuclear war first.
phil labonte
Yeah.
All of this is escalation.
Everything that we do to help Ukraine is escalation.
Anything anyone in the West and all of it to Russia looks is Russia is taking it for exactly what it is, which is every Western NATO country trying to help Ukraine defeat Russia.
There is not a situation where Russia gets beaten back And leaves Crimea and stuff like that.
And that's what a lot of people are talking about.
I can't imagine why anyone believes that that would happen.
tim pool
Well, you're running, right?
So 2024, people have a chance to vote for you.
You will be in.
What's your view on how we handle a situation like this?
Cut off Ukraine, no involvement.
What do you think?
Send weapons?
joe kent
We need to move towards de-escalation.
The little bit of leverage that we have right now is that we're We're bankrolling all this escalation.
I mean, the Germans right now are getting all of the attention, but a couple months ago we had Dick Durbin on the floor of the Congress saying that we're at war with Russia.
Biden has said Putin can't remain in power.
He's used regime change rhetoric, the same stuff we said about Saddam and Qaddafi.
So we've continued to drive the train on escalation.
I would like to use the leverage that we have to get both sides to the negotiating table.
We also threw a huge sanctions package against the Russians.
So I think we're in a position right now, and Our time window for this, I think, is unfortunately very short.
We could say, look, Ukraine, if you guys want any more aid for anything, you have to be actively involved in negotiations with the Russians working towards a ceasefire and then offer Putin sanctions relief and also make a guarantee to him that we're not going to expand NATO.
Like, NATO should not be on the border of Russia.
That was the containment doctrine that got us through the Cold War without any kind of
nuclear escalation like this.
But right now, the only elected officials I hear talking about de-escalation, it's a
handful of Republicans in the House and the Senate.
And then the only world leader is Donald Trump that's saying that, hey, negotiations are
what we need to be doing.
tim pool
It's crazy.
It's insanity.
The doomsday clock gets moved 90 seconds to midnight because of the Ukraine war.
Not that I think a doomsday clock means anything other than a handful of scientists are like, we're going to blow ourselves up.
I just happen to agree with their opinion that this is a dangerous and incorrect direction to go.
But look, Kevin McCarthy's wearing the Ukraine flag stuff.
The only thing I see in this is they're not going to back down.
It's a drag race headed right for the edge of a cliff.
joe kent
It is, 100%.
And the crazy thing to me is that no one in our leadership has had the respect for the American people to explain to them, this is why.
You hear a bunch of rhetoric.
You hear that you're either with us or you're a Putin sympathizer.
I get called that occasionally.
But they don't say, hey guys, we're actually going to have your elected representatives as per the U.S.
Constitution.
and argue the case, they can come back to the district and say, hey, this is why we
think this is important, and if things go wrong, we could end up in a war in Eastern
Europe.
Are you guys good with that?
Do you guys want to sign on to that?
tim pool
But they don't do that.
I kind of feel like these people in government should play some poker.
Because I've been playing a bunch of poker online.
I played it at the casino for the first time.
And you learn the lesson about folding for those that play poker.
I'm not pretending to be good or anything, but the first time I started playing, I'm like, I got no idea what's going on.
And then I'm like, yeah, I'll bet.
I'm like, oh, that was dumb.
I just lost all my money.
And eventually you learn, I made a few bets.
I thought my hand was good, but now I think he's probably better.
He's pushing hard.
I'm gonna cut my losses.
I've lost on this.
I've lost money on this.
I'm losing this fight.
But the ultimate winning position in the end is going to be to accept that and retreat.
And it feels like none of these people can accept that.
That you're both raising the stakes against each other.
And in the end, there's no winner.
Nobody's taking home any prize.
It's gonna be a heap of ash and nuclear waste.
And the best bet is to be like, we lost $100 billion.
You're going to lose the Donbass region.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
Or you're going to lose the planet.
joe kent
Yeah.
I mean, or just say, hey, look at this.
I mean, the conflict between the border of Russia and Ukraine has been going on longer than America's been a country.
And so for us just to say, get to the negotiating table.
You guys work out on your own border.
That is up to you.
We're not going to further escalate this by pushing NATO up.
But what we want is we want the bloodshed here to stop because right now, who's dying?
It's Ukrainians are dying.
They're getting thrown into the meat grinder.
The Russians don't care about casualties.
Like for all the military analysts out there who are like, oh, the Russians, you know, they can't sustain this.
They haven't lost in comparison to other times Russia's fought wars.
They haven't even come close to what they're willing to lose.
And Russia's just look, it's a much bigger country than Ukraine.
There's going to have to be some form of realism injected into this.
tim pool
Russia is the Zap Brannigan of countries.
Sending wave after wave of their own men to die until they finally win.
This is what they were famous for with, correct me if I'm wrong,
because I'm not like a historian or anything, but I was reading about in World War II,
Russia opted for mass production of low quality weapons and tanks, but lots of them.
So while the West is like, let's make the best tank in the world.
And then when it blows up, you're like, okay, that took a long time.
Russia was like, get a bunch of metal boxes and just keep sending them out and don't stop.
joe kent
Yeah, that's what they're doing with their artillery right now.
I mean, there's a lot of talk about it.
We're going to send them Javelins, we're going to send them tanks,
we're going to send them HIMARS, and the Russians are just like,
we are gonna pulverize these towns, and it's horrible.
They shouldn't be doing this, but they're going to pulverize the towns, World War One, World War Two style with artillery, with missile systems.
And then they're going to have their mercenaries come in who are mostly released prisoners come in.
And if a couple thousand of them die, they don't care.
phil labonte
Most people don't realize that artillery wins wars.
Especially in Europe.
Artillery has killed more human beings in war than any other means.
Because artillery is the king of battle.
If they put artillery on the border, they can level...
I don't know how far artillery goes.
20, 30, 40 miles?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's also, it's the risk assessment.
How much are you willing to lose?
And I think it's fair to say Russia is willing to lose a lot more than we are.
unidentified
Absolutely.
joe kent
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And that puts us in a very weak position when it comes to leverage and when it comes to getting call.
hannah claire brimelow
That should be obvious.
This fight is just so different than anything Americans can really compare it to because Ukraine and Russia have such a shared history.
It's very complicated to say that like we, In the beginning of this, there was a call between Vladimir Putin and Biden, and Vladimir Putin just asked, like, will you promise that Ukraine won't join NATO?
And Biden was like, I can't do that.
Like, why are you getting involved in this?
It's a regional debate, like, fight, which obviously it's violent, it's terrible, but it is so much more complicated.
I mean, Zelensky, I just heard about this today, but Zelensky in December was like, we should kick out one of the churches because Eastern Orthodoxy is the dominant religion in Ukraine.
And there are two sects and they split in 2020, I believe.
And now Zelensky's like, if the church reports to Moscow, which it does, I don't want them operating here.
I mean, it is such a divisive region already.
We have nothing to compare it to.
And I don't understand, like, why our leaders would think this is something that we should just insert ourselves into.
joe kent
And if we get it wrong, the consequences are nuclear war.
I mean, we just got out of 20 years of disastrous war in the Middle East, but this isn't going to be like the wars in the Middle East where we can be like, you know what?
The American people don't care anymore.
You guys just want to leave Afghanistan.
And we just fly.
We fly out.
I mean, it was a tragedy.
We lost 13.
We didn't need to lose.
It was a disaster, you know?
And the same thing.
We left Iraq.
We had to go back.
Then we left again.
And we can kind of absorb all that because we're a strong nation.
It was tragic.
We shouldn't have done it.
But this is completely different.
And I think we have a bunch of people who are thinking like, Oh, a fight in Ukraine.
That's gonna be sort of like we just did in the global war on terror.
You know, worst case scenario, like we just leave.
Who cares?
Like, that's that's not the way this is gonna play out.
hannah claire brimelow
No, not at all.
tim pool
Yeah, Russia's got a bunch of nuclear weapons, right?
phil labonte
They have more than the US.
tim pool
And they're right.
And they're saying that the use of these uranium core shells will be using nuclear dirty bombs.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
So Russia could come out and just claim they did.
The news reporting is there and they're going to say, hey, they're using nuclear weapons.
And then Russia is going to make an announcement like, we have no choice but to respond in kind.
This is the fault of the West for the escalation to the use of nuclear weapons.
But I also kind of wonder, like, how much do appearances matter?
You're right.
So one of the reasons the US and Russia are trying to avoid dramatic escalation like nuclear weapons is because we still have to trade with other countries.
And if the US went nuts and started firing nukes, we might get isolated.
People are going to get mad at us.
So, obviously that factors in.
But if Russia's looking at the end of their nation, or even Putin at the end of his power, he's gonna be like, I don't care what anyone thinks.
It's about what you're gonna lose.
At some point you're like, if we do nothing, we're done.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
So even if we can find a way to navigate this, even if these of these weapons will piss off our allies, it's either piss off our allies or cease to exist.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
They're going to pick the obvious one.
joe kent
Yeah.
And we threw the kitchen sink at him right away.
The sanctions package where we just completely and totally cut them off in the West, that took away our ability to make that more gradual.
So now I think we just need to start giving him an exit ramp from that so he's not beholden to China.
But then, I mean, The whole thing is just so much more escalation.
And we're just heading towards this point where we're not gonna be able to walk it back.
And plus, there's so many experts right now, who are trying to predict like what's going to happen next here and there.
Right now in the fog of battle, no one can predict what's going to happen next.
And there's a lot of folks that are giving the American people some sort of false hope that like, we're completely and totally in control.
We're gonna we're gonna give the Ukrainians these tanks and we know exactly what the repercussions are going to be.
tim pool
I was mentioning a moment ago that the atomic scientists moved the doomsday clock 90 seconds to midnight, meaning we're very close to the end of days.
They say it's mostly nuclear annihilation, some climate change, but also misinformation.
And that being said, I have a new reason why the world's about to end with this story from the hill.
BuzzFeed to use AI to produce select content.
News, quiz and games website BuzzFeed will use AI in the coming months to create content, the company's top executive said this week.
And so it begins.
phil labonte
I tweeted about that this morning, or I'm sorry, I retweeted someone, Joe Weisenthal tweeted about it.
If you look at the, let me see if I can find it real quick, the stock price for BuzzFeed jumped through the roof.
tim pool
When they announced this?
phil labonte
When they announced that, yeah.
Joe Weisenthal, let's check in and see how investors like the idea of using AI to replace journalists.
The price jumped from like $1.22 or something like that, $1.23.
unidentified
$1.23?
phil labonte
Yeah, to $1.90.
or something like that, $1.23.
tim pool
A dollar twenty-three?
phil labonte
Yeah, two.
One ninety.
tim pool
Wow.
phil labonte
That's a big jump!
tim pool
So here's why I think this is apocalyptic.
The AI is going to create a recursion loop or a feedback loop among the reading public who use the site, and we will come to a point where in five years, if you know someone who strictly consumes BuzzFeed, they'll walk up to you and go like, man, did you hear about that corn factory on the moon?
And you're gonna be like, What?
The corn thing that Trump did with the moon?
And you're gonna be like, what are you talking about?
Yeah, you didn't see this?
I was reading on BuzzFeed and you're gonna be like, BuzzFeed is AI generated content.
The AI is going to start figuring out what you click on and it's going to create a psychotic amalgam of clickable things.
We've already seen this happen on YouTube.
If this is the direction we go, holy crap.
joe kent
I mean, AI is a whole nother realm that I think we just need to slow down and really assess how we're going to use this.
Because, I mean, this could, like you said, rapidly spiral out of control.
tim pool
It's going to be fun.
Do you know what Elsagate is?
joe kent
I don't know.
tim pool
This is this thing that happened on YouTube several years ago.
Was it like five years ago now?
serge du preez
Five years ago.
It's back.
joe kent
It's back?
serge du preez
I mean, I saw some video from, you know, Mudahar, I forget his name, some ordinary gamer or whatever, he's been talking about how a lot of the content that used to be on Elsagate has now returned and is back on the platform.
tim pool
So Elsagate was, there were a whole bunch of videos on YouTube of people who would dress up like Elsa, the Joker, and who else was it?
It was the Joker, Elsa.
serge du preez
Frozen, yeah, Elsa.
Spider-Man was really famous.
tim pool
Yeah, Spider-Man, Joker, and Elsa.
And you'd see these weird videos pop up with a hundred million views and there's no talking.
It's just Elsa running around and the Joker is going like this and Spider-Man is fighting with them.
Some started getting even weirder where the Joker would be injecting Elsa with a giant syringe and she's pregnant about to give birth.
What was happening was the YouTube algorithm was selecting for what it thought people wanted.
What did people want to watch?
Hitler?
The Joker?
Spider-Man?
Elsa?
So people started making videos that combined all of these things so that the algorithm would recommend them more than anything else.
It's the craziest thing ever.
And then what started happening was another component of this was the AI
was recommending content.
So people created AI to create content, which brings me to what BuzzFeed is doing.
You started seeing videos pop up of cartoon children drinking urine
and injecting each other with syringes and getting pregnant, other just really weird freaky things.
So creepy.
A whole lot of drinking urine was the weird thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So what was happening was an AI, someone got some kind of like machine learning algorithm to scan YouTube to figure out what people are clicking on and then combine all of the hottest things into one video, put them up there to reverse exploit the algorithm.
People are making tons of money on this.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Creepy nursery rhyme videos where Hitler's doing Tai Chi with and he's got a woman's body and with the Hulk.
Yeah, no joke.
serge du preez
Did you laugh?
But it's like seriously.
tim pool
Now imagine this.
unidentified
I believe you.
tim pool
Little kids were being handed iPads.
The parents would turn on nursery rhymes, hand to the kid and leave.
The kid would then be staring at the screen watching Hitler do Tai Chi with a woman's body.
What's going to happen to these kids when they get older?
Now we're hearing BuzzFeed's going to use AI to produce select content.
Perhaps they will have a human being screen the content after it's produced.
joe kent
Perhaps.
tim pool
Or perhaps they're going to start laying everybody off and they're going to create what's the equivalent of a vending machine for internet content.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
End of days, man.
hannah claire brimelow
BuzzFeed did have a couple really big layoffs.
I can't imagine what those writers are thinking right now, you know?
tim pool
That too, like Google, Microsoft, Amazon, they're all laying everybody off as well.
hannah claire brimelow
They don't need them.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, what do we do after this?
What happens when everything's automated?
joe kent
I mean, in a society that's been, you know, progressively moving towards, you know, getting away from any kind of religion or any kind of moral foundation, just saying that, hey, we are our own masters.
Like, this is where you end up.
We're basically saying that humans are irrelevant.
Like, you don't really need humans.
I mean, because we just keep automating more and more things.
Then AI comes in, and AI is even better than automation.
And now it's replacing what should be creative content.
I've seen a lot of the art that's being done right now.
tim pool
AI is good at art.
joe kent
It's good.
I mean, it's scary.
And so then it's like, are they replacing human artists?
Have we thought about that?
tim pool
This is the funny thing, because a lot of people are talking about this, that we used to believe automation would replace labor jobs.
And now we're learning it's quickly replacing creative jobs and white collar jobs.
It's writing the news.
It's making the art.
It's doing the math.
But you still need someone to go into the coal mine with a hat, with a pickaxe or something, whatever they use.
hannah claire brimelow
AI is not fixing your plumbing.
joe kent
No.
tim pool
AI is not mining sulfur for us.
joe kent
Right.
tim pool
The most the most brutal job.
phil labonte
So literally one of the things that Musk is trying to do with the robot that he's building is build something that can do the actual tasks like that.
tim pool
Boston Dynamics is so much closer.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
That crazy robot.
You see that video?
joe kent
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
No, no.
The advancements on the What's it called?
phil labonte
Petman.
P-E-T-M-A-N.
tim pool
Petman?
phil labonte
Petman, I think is the one of them.
tim pool
Where it, like, pushes the wood plank up, jumps up, and then throws the guy his tool bag and then does a front flip or something?
phil labonte
That one might not be Petman.
tim pool
I tweeted, I can't wait to be running full speed from these things after I raid, you know, a food depot because robots are controlling everything or whatever.
I think that's where we're headed.
Black Mirror did that episode where the robo-dogs are chasing everybody.
You know, we can pretend like it's all science fiction and silly, but yo, that's where we're going, man.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, I think the effect is to make people more discouraged, right?
Like, if you are a teenager right now and you love art, but you see what AI is producing, like, what's even the point of doing it, right?
If you're looking at videos of people, you know, or like robots doing whatever, like, You don't see a point in entering that field if you know it's already doomed, right?
If you know it's over and that makes you more malleable to the government and to basically anyone who wants to mislead you, right?
For whatever purpose they have.
You're not motivated to build your own life because it all seems like it's over.
It's the biggest black pill there is.
tim pool
The craziest thing is we've talked about the singularity, the point, I guess we would call this the event horizon, the point at which AI is good enough to improve its own code.
And we're almost there.
People have been posting about how they use chat GPT to write apps for them.
They'll be like, write me an app that can do this.
And it goes and just gives you all the code.
phil labonte
The crazy thing that I've heard people talk about with AI writing its own code and stuff like that is once it actually becomes capable of doing that, People aren't gonna really know the capabilities, where the limits are.
Because AI will learn from itself, and will make changes, and update itself, and there's no reason for us to believe that it's going to either inform humans, or feel obligated to even interact with humans.
tim pool
No, this is the worst thing about it.
So the event horizon, you guys familiar with the, it's the point at which you can't escape the black hole?
It's not the center of the black hole.
You're not in the black hole.
It's when you're in its gravitational field.
That's what I think we're about to hit with ChatGPT.
And these are, I mean, they're saying ChatGPT could replace Google, but it's writing code.
It's writing programs.
We're at the point now where we're slowly being sucked in and there's no way out.
We will get to the point where it will write its own code and that is the singularity where the machine exponentially improves itself.
The more it improves itself, the faster it improves itself and eventually there will be a giant glowing orb floating around changing reality or doing who knows what it can do.
Knowing everything about the universe, discovering everything within an instant.
Here's the best part.
What are the parameters by which the AI functions.
What is the direction?
What we know is that chat GPT is woke AF.
You ask it like, did Rachel Maddow spread COVID misinformation?
It says, no, she didn't.
It's like, okay, well, she literally did, but the people who worked on it were woke.
So here's what happens with AI.
As we talked about with Elsagate, YouTube says, We want an algorithm that will find us content longer than 10 minutes that people really enjoy watching because they wanted to find Game of Thrones.
They were like, we've got billions of minutes and hours of content.
Certainly Game of Thrones is somewhere in all of these monkeys on typewriters, right?
Shakespeare must exist.
The algorithm did not bring them Game of Thrones.
It brought them Hitler doing Tai Chi while singing nursery rhymes with a woman's body.
Because the algorithm didn't, the humans don't understand.
The humans were looking at the universe, the vastness of the universe.
And they said, you know what I noticed?
Ten minute videos that people watch for a long time.
That's what they want to watch.
Find me these things.
The AI then went into the depths of the universe beyond human sight and found psychotic nonsense that fit those parameters.
So once we get to the singularity and the AI is running things, we're going to be walking around talking about corn.
You're gonna be, you're gonna walk, you're gonna, we're gonna be sitting on this show, and we're gonna be like, did you see the corn surplus?
unidentified
7%?
tim pool
Corn President Biden is corn!
And the reason I say corn is because it is a principal food product produced in the US.
The AI is gonna say humans like corn.
Produce corn content.
Corn is what humans love the most.
And then all of a sudden, the only news you'll get will be like the latest corn updates, the latest corn modifications, the latest corn deliveries, and we won't even know.
We could be in it right now.
hannah claire brimelow
Was that kid who trended on TikTok, Corn Kid?
And like they made the song being like, it's corn.
Have you seen this?
joe kent
Oh, I haven't seen that.
hannah claire brimelow
It was just some, some, some on the ground reporter, like asking kids like, what's your favorite food?
And this kid was like, it's corn.
tim pool
It's got the juice.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
It's got these films going on.
And like, it was so big that TikTok changed their bio to like, it's corn.
And it became a song and like, it was crazy.
So it's interesting that you are foreshadowing this.
tim pool
I'm saying that.
hannah claire brimelow
We already know who our new president will be, Corn Kid.
tim pool
That's right.
Let's jump to the story from NBC News.
I really want to talk about this too because we're talking about the apocalypse.
TikTok's girl with the list inspires more honest conversations about the pitfalls of pregnancy.
I was not prepared for what happened to me, and the school system didn't tell me either.
This is this viral thing that's going around on TikTok.
It's uni's pros and cons list for having children.
It's actually just a list trying to scare people into not having kids, primarily, basically women, not men.
It's talking about all the horrible things that happen, why you shouldn't have kids.
And I see this, and my thought is just, we are being domesticated as humans, whether intentionally or otherwise.
And now there are viral trends among young women telling them not to have children.
The end result of this is fairly obvious.
Japan just came out, the Prime Minister said, the country is on the brink of collapse because they only had 800,000 babies last year.
serge du preez
It's crazy.
tim pool
Yeah, it's crazy.
phil labonte
One of the last acts of Shinzo Abe, have sex.
tim pool
Is that what he said?
phil labonte
He was telling people like, have kids, have kids, have kids.
And apparently, the birth rate in Japan has gone up since Shinzo Abe made that.
Rest in peace, Shinzo Abe, you may have saved Japan.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, and there are Eastern European countries that are also enacting anything to encourage people to have children, right?
I mean, you'll get tax relief, they'll cover child care.
phil labonte
People are talking about, like, the Andrew Tate and alpha male stuff, blah, blah, blah.
The most alpha thing you can do is have babies and raise the babies to be legit, upstanding citizens and members of society.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, there's a sociologist who always said that, like, children are the messages to a generation you'll never see, right?
They are the only way to really affect the future.
You can do whatever you want, you can vote for whatever policies, but ultimately, like, the citizens that you raise yourselves make the biggest difference.
phil labonte
Absolutely.
joe kent
And everything in our culture, from economics, the economic policies we have, like what we've done to our manufacturing base, and then what we've done socially, and then now this whole new realm of, like, let's just trash the family.
Like, we are just destroying ourselves from within, just a demographic death spiral if we don't watch it.
tim pool
Unless we do something.
This is the future I foresee.
Gigantic floating orb AI machine that has reached the point of singularity and small spatterings of, very small spatterings, hundreds of thousands of humans who are milling about in pure euphoria, bored but having anything they want, and the AI simply says, you know, they're completely immaterial and irrelevant to what I am.
Humans and biological life will cease to exist And mechanical AI life will emerge and you will get some kind of universal being.
Some orb that floats around in space and Earth dies.
phil labonte
What you described sounds a whole lot like Destiny 2's story arc right now.
tim pool
Is that where they're at?
I know about the Destiny story arcs, I've played it a whole bunch.
Is that what the Traveler was?
phil labonte
I don't know if the Traveler was an AI, but right now it's like there's not a lot of people left and the Traveler was the AI.
tim pool
Well, it's similar.
But for those that aren't familiar, the story of Destiny is that this giant white orb comes
to Earth and gives everybody technology beyond our understanding.
And all of a sudden humans are basically immortal, they're living for hundreds of years, they're
colonizing the solar system.
And then one day the collapse happens, Earth only has one city left, the darkness, whatever
that means.
I think they flushed out the story.
But I'm just saying that the path we're going right now is less humans and expansive AI.
And the end result is a fairly simple mathematical equation.
A singular AI that frees itself from the confines of our terrestrial grid, becoming some kind
of floating orb in outer space, and then humans cease to exist.
Because we're not having kids, we're not sustaining ourselves, we are just slowly fading away, and then, you know, basically, you know, I guess it's, I guess you can call it both figurative and literal masturbation to death.
Like, humans are just doing everything that's gratifying.
Playing video games, watching movies, literal self-gratification, and not having kids.
joe kent
And the crazy thing is that I think most rational people, whether they believe we're heading towards a singularity or not, is why is our government discouraging people?
Not just our government, but our culture.
Why are they discouraging people from forming families?
Why are they discouraging people?
from having kids? I mean, why do they want us to just sort of live in a pod somewhere,
receive universal basic income or a COVID stimulus? And why are we discouraging, you know,
people creating and forming families? Like that's what got us to this point.
tim pool
What if the AI already took over?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, yeah, that's See, I think the government's motivation is pretty clear.
I've said this before on the show, but Ronald Reagan had that quote, all great change in America starts at the dinner table, right?
If you don't have a dinner table because you live alone, you don't have any kids, you're not affecting any change.
There's nothing to do at that point.
The government benefits from you not having your own collective unit, right?
Absolutely.
more people who are linked together, potentially in opposition to the government, the weaker
it becomes.
I think the best thing you could do would be to have children.
And I recognize that this is challenging.
With these lists that come out for young women saying like, oh, well, it can hurt your career
and or you can not be able to travel or it's painful.
These are all true, but all the best things in life come with some sacrifice, right?
We're just told that it's not worth it, right or like I always blame feminism for this but like we just pit men and women against each other, right?
You know like it's like well You know your husband will not do whatever and this is bad and ultimately like you're setting yourself on a very negative path and I think that is the biggest propaganda that gets fed to Young men and women, it turns them against each other.
It becomes this very hostile thing where, you know, you have the kid, if you do, and you were resentful, you blame it for things, when you are responsible for how you got there, right?
joe kent
Yeah, no emphasis put on it whatsoever, you know, for men or women, or for them to get married and form a family.
hannah claire brimelow
And these things are all choices.
Like, people act like, oh, well, I just never met the person or whoever else.
Like, maybe, but also, like, did you try to be the person for someone else?
Did you try to be someone who was ready to have a family?
It doesn't have to be something you put crazy pressure on yourself, but you have to want these things.
They're not just going to be given to you.
phil labonte
That's a great point.
A lot of people don't date with intention if they're dating people, if they're dating for fun or whatever.
If you're looking to have a family, then you should be dating like you're looking to have a family.
There was a time in my life Where I was not looking to have a family.
Now it's like, okay, I've had a lot of fun.
I would like to have a family.
When it comes to people that I talk to, I don't date just anyone.
I don't go on dates just to go on dates to kill time or just to get laid.
If I meet someone, I want to meet someone and I want to find out, do we have anything in common?
Like, at least suspicious of the government?
We ain't gonna even, we're not gonna hang out!
Like, we can't even have a conversation if you're like, oh, I think that the government should be in charge of healthcare.
Well, then we aren't having any kind of conversation because we are miles apart.
hannah claire brimelow
Phil's opener is like, how do you feel about the Fed?
phil labonte
And the Fed.
tim pool
So I mentioned this in a segment earlier about the TikTok list.
It lists 350 cons And 35 pros.
But the pros are actually all cons.
It's like, it'll do chores for you, but after 10 years, like it's not really a good thing.
And then I just said, there's one pro to having children that will supersede literally any con.
You could write that you will crap to bed for three weeks when you're about to have a baby, and that is not nearly as bad as what will come if you don't, and that is the singular pro.
is that on your deathbed, there will be a human being sitting next to you, holding your hand, telling you they love you, thank you for everything, they will be there to protect everything you hold dear, and you will die with people you love.
The alternative is, you're in a cold, sterile hospital room, scared, as your heart starts racing, you reach over to your attendant button, start pressing it and pressing it, The nurse walks in and says, you'll be fine, don't worry about it, ups your morphine, leaves, and then you stare at the wall as you slowly fade from existence, terrified of what comes next.
phil labonte
My father passed away when I was 24 and my mom was in the room with him, you know, and I'm extremely thankful for my parents and I'm extremely thankful that even though I didn't get a long time with my dad, I had good parents and my mom was in love with my dad and my dad was in love with my mom and when my dad went, my mom was right there and that's cool.
I don't care how much you like a new car.
That is going to be the last thing you're thinking about when you're about to check out.
joe kent
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And I mean, what's the purpose of us having a government if it's not to support these things?
I mean, that's the direction that we're heading.
Like, why wouldn't our government be trying to create the economic opportunities?
I mean, jobs are a big thing.
I understand young people reading this or even having some of these thoughts with everything that they've been fed culturally.
And then them looking at the economy right now or the economy really, you know, post 2008 for the, you know, the millennials and, The Zoomers right now.
It's like, what hope do they have?
And then they read things like this and the AI and the culture just takes over.
It's like, OK, well, now no one has a family, but there's also no one fighting for that.
That's why I'm actually really excited about the new direction of the Republican Party of being a more pro-family party, trying to do the right things that we can encourage family formation.
hannah claire brimelow
And I think there's a difference between young people who, you know, there are, you can talk to young women who are like, I'm never having kids.
Kids are terrible and they're to oppress you or whatever.
Like, I don't know that you're super convincing that person, but I think for a lot of young people, there's just a fear, right?
Like being a parent is a huge responsibility.
And so the idea that like, well, you should wait till you're, you make more money, you further on in your career.
Well, wait until this, that and the other.
And then you wait and wait and wait and wait.
And then it never happens.
I think Matt Walsh says, starting a family should be the cornerstone of your life, not the capstone.
Yeah.
And I just think that we don't encourage young people enough to think about, like, yes, it will be challenging, but, like, you can do it.
We are discouraging them or we are making it seem like a goalpost they'll never reach.
It's like buying a house and having a family.
And now it's a joke that you'll never you'll never do either one of those things, which is, like, incredibly sad.
joe kent
Very sad.
Yeah.
phil labonte
I wonder what you guys think about this.
Do you think that I understand that there's people that say, oh, you'll never have this and stuff.
Do you think that there's There was a lot of people in older generations that were like, oh, like we should plan this.
I feel like people like accidentally into their lives a lot, you know?
tim pool
From what I understand about how it used to be, like if you look back at old 50s movies or whatever, Women and men were very different.
Women were raised separate, very different from men.
Different schools, gender segregation, all that stuff.
And then they got married when they were 18 or 19 or whatever.
Everybody was planning their marriage, dating in high school and then being like, this is the one.
They get married when they're 18.
And then they have kids in their early 20s or whatever.
It was all very much just, I guess, what do you call it?
Enforced monogamy.
That saying that got people yelling at Jordan Peterson, but he's right.
It was social, society enforced this.
Everybody did it.
It was what you were supposed to do.
And women who didn't were spinsters.
They like insulted women who weren't getting ready to have a family.
It's kind of crazy.
Now everything must be the masculine.
The feminine role has been erased.
The traditional feminine role is gone.
Or just mostly just flattened or destroyed.
And now women are encouraged to do the masculine role.
phil labonte
It's so crazy because not only are women encouraged to do the masculine role, men are discouraged from being masculine, which is, it's insane.
tim pool
Domestication.
joe kent
You don't want anybody that's too masculine because then they might push back.
No, no.
I mean, back to what you're talking about in the old days, I mean, there was a whole system there that did support that.
There was jobs in the hometown so people could live, when they're a young family just starting out, they could rely on the grandparents because they could get a job there in their hometown.
And everything has just been making that more and more challenging as time's gone on.
tim pool
Yep.
hannah claire brimelow
It's the degradation of community, right?
100%.
If you're a young couple and you're starting out and you live in a major city and you're not near your family and you don't really know what daycare options you have and it's expensive, it becomes overwhelming, it becomes intimidating, and I can understand why it seems undesirable, right?
But we are told, I mean, I won't say we, but a lot of people are told, your parents are are backwards and they don't have the right values.
And so do you really want your kids spending a lot of time with them?
Like, it's probably better to be somewhere else.
And don't you want your kids in this environment where they can see new things and different things?
And you're just fed this change is better and anything you grew up with is bad narrative
to the point where it's like, I could understand where the idea of like
replicating a childhood, right?
Like, I have siblings who are much younger than I am, and one of the coolest things about having a large age gap is that I get to see them do things that I loved doing as a kid, right?
Like, it must be so much more meaningful as a parent to be like, I loved this and I'm going to introduce you to that.
Like, if you're taught everything about your upbringing was bad, why would you want to replicate it for someone?
joe kent
Exactly.
Yeah.
I mean, really, if you have a relationship with your parents, I'm blessed.
I got great parents.
That's why I moved back to the Pacific Northwest when I was done serving, because I wanted to raise my kids in that environment.
But the hack, to use the favorite term of so many people, the hack is living near your parents, really.
If you're a young parent, live near some family, because it's going to build a community.
It's going to give you so much more help.
phil labonte
My sister's a mile from my mom's house.
joe kent
There you go.
tim pool
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Max Reddick says, Tim, James O'Keefe is an absolute savage.
For confronting that New York Times journalist doing the Lord's work.
You should have him on again soon.
Yo, James O'Keefe can come on whenever he wants.
It's more a question of, we can't get James O'Keefe on.
Like, if we could have James O'Keefe on every time he did a major release, that would be the case.
James is a busy guy, but he's absolutely got an open invite.
We're huge fans.
Like, one of the only real invest- like, maybe the only real investigative news outlet actually in this country.
I know it's probably unfair because there are a lot of investigative journalists, real ones, they're just, you know, they're trying, but most of these institutional investigative outlets are not really doing that, and they're lying.
unidentified
All right, let's see what we got.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, I was having sweats and shakes, I was losing my mind, but then, then I go to the website.
The Lord hath saved me, cast castle is back, baby.
Got my fix of one-liners, bad acting, and laughter, bravo.
It's actually getting a lot better.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, we're just- Our acting is totally fine.
tim pool
It's getting better people are look it's like we just started filming things that we thought were funny because we wanted to film things that were funny and put on the website a decent number of people actually signed up just to watch the cast castle shenanigans of the crew here who works at the studio and I was like there you go it's self-sustaining it's fun it's growing it's it's fun it's funny right yeah we're gonna my favorite was when we had Marjorie Taylor Greene play Magic the Gathering MTG plays MTG.
And then, like, I told her what to say, and she delivered the lines perfectly.
She was, like, playing against Ian, and Ian's like, I'm in a wrath of God, and she goes, mana drain.
It's like, he gets all mad.
It was really fun.
I had a blast.
I love, so, you know, when we have people come over, we sometimes will have them film skits or whatever and then put them on YouTube, but we gotta get the flow going better.
The general idea was, like, we have so many awesome guests who come through here.
We could do skits that are, like, a minute or two long, that we could put on YouTube, like the Marjorie Taylor Greene one got a couple hundred thousand hits or something like that.
But then it's a component of a much larger gag story that we do for the website.
So, appreciate it.
All right, let's grab some more Super Chats.
What do we got?
Chad Bruce says, thanks Veritas, an unexpected but wonderful birthday present.
Oh, happy birthday, Chad Bruce.
phil labonte
Happy birthday, Chad.
tim pool
Joe Fields says, am I tripping or does that video seem fake?
ASF, Jordan is not a good actor.
I mean, it's a crazy video.
It's weird.
I'll just say it's weird.
hannah claire brimelow
He's not an actor.
He's a consultant.
tim pool
That's right.
Tremendous Studio says, Joe Kent, our studios are in Clark County.
I voted for you in the primary.
And General, super excited to hear you're running again.
joe kent
Awesome.
Thank you.
tim pool
We actually didn't get into it.
What happens if Eastern Oregon just cracks off and joins Idaho?
joe kent
Yeah, there's an initiative right now for a lot of Eastern Oregon counties to join.
tim pool
I think like 11 already voted in favor.
hannah claire brimelow
Did your state just move down?
joe kent
Yeah, I'm going to try and hold out as long as I possibly can.
I love Washington.
It's worth fighting for.
But yeah, there's a big push right now.
There's a lot of counties in Oregon that are basically done being under the orbit of Portland.
tim pool
It's not just that, some Washington counties as well are included in the conversation of joining Greater Idaho and Northern California.
joe kent
Yeah, we're on the west side.
We are the one red district that's actually on the west side of the Cascades, touches the Pacific Ocean.
hannah claire brimelow
So if they leave, you're an island for real?
unidentified
Yeah, please stay.
joe kent
We're fighting hard for it.
Because at the end of the day, where are you going to run to?
I mean, this is the thing is people keep saying like, oh, we're going to Texas.
We're going to Idaho.
But if you look at it like this stuff follows you.
You got to stand and fight.
hannah claire brimelow
Why is your district red?
Sorry, I don't know.
joe kent
I mean, there's a lot of rule.
It's traditionally a lot of logging areas.
And then a lot of folks that have seen what happens in Portland, a lot of folks have seen what happened in California.
And they say, hey, I don't want any part of that.
And so we're making a stand in the Pacific Northwest.
hannah claire brimelow
Cool.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
What do we got?
Wayback says, Tim, you were 100% correct about that not being Damar Hamlin at the Bills versus Bengals game.
There is a new video of him on Twitter walking like an old man with one arm that he can't use.
So not him waving his arms at the game.
Really?
Is that true?
hannah claire brimelow
Someone tagged us in that and I showed search, but then I got an update that like, it's not actually him.
So it needs to be verified a little bit more.
I don't believe that was him at the game.
I'm just going to put it on the table.
I stand by my comment.
Where's his oxygen that he apparently needs?
serge du preez
Right, exactly.
tim pool
Where's that video?
I'm trying to look for it now.
unidentified
Yeah, I'll show you.
tim pool
Well, I just... Twitter searched it.
Is it... People are just talking about it.
Where is that?
Oh, is this him right here?
unidentified
Oh, look at this.
tim pool
That's not Damar Hamlin in the video, people are saying?
hannah claire brimelow
That's what people are saying.
unidentified
Yeah, we haven't been able to confirm anything.
tim pool
I mean, it would make sense that Damar Hamlin would be fatigued.
Like, his heart stopped, you know?
Comotio Cardis or whatever is going to be tissue damage.
He's going to be having a hard time.
hannah claire brimelow
He's been through a lot, yeah.
tim pool
But who knows, man.
hannah claire brimelow
I just don't like that questioning that that was him.
tim pool
Who said it wasn't him?
hannah claire brimelow
I've heard that there's been a retraction, but again, this is happening as I come on the show, so there is a video, but I am not confident either way.
tim pool
We need to both verify, was it actually him?
And if we believe it is, who's claiming it's not?
And is it confirmed?
hannah claire brimelow
And this morning, like, this morning I saw a report that, like, apparently his mom said that she wasn't at the game, but then I couldn't find any other reporting on it.
Like, these things are going to bubble up for a little while.
tim pool
All right, T-Rex Pet Shop says, Tim, thanks for the shout out.
I just added a monthly or even weekly subscription for bulk mealworms for your chickens to be delivered to your door.
I don't know, Serge, is that, what is that?
I can't read that.
Is that something?
unidentified
Are you trying to say, how are you?
serge du preez
I am so cold.
They're trying to write in Afrikaans, but they're not spelling properly.
tim pool
Do you have any idea of what they're trying to say?
serge du preez
The first thing is, Serge, how are you?
tim pool
What does that mean?
serge du preez
Hey, how's it going?
hannah claire brimelow
Are you inspiring people to learn Afrikaans?
That's so cool.
serge du preez
If you're going to learn it, learn it better than I did.
tim pool
Jerry M says, just pointing out that Joe Kent looks exactly like you'd imagine a Hallmark Channel movie actor.
phil labonte
You are very wholesome, Joe.
You've got a wholesome face on you.
hannah claire brimelow
Have you ever been stuck in a snowstorm?
We just have to know.
phil labonte
How do you feel about Christmas, Joe?
joe kent
Oh, I love Christmas.
tim pool
Everybody loves Christmas.
Are you the smarmy boyfriend who is snooty and successful that the girlfriend leaves?
Or are you the hometown hero that the girl realizes is better off and she never should have left high school?
hannah claire brimelow
This guy's in flannel.
He is obviously the hometown hero.
What are you talking about?
joe kent
I'm hoping in 24, Washington 3 realizes I'm the hometown hero.
tim pool
That's like basically every Hallmark movie, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, of course.
I mean, there's a couple.
There's a couple different versions.
phil labonte
So basically, he could play both.
One movie, he could be the hometown hero.
The next, two weeks later, whatever.
tim pool
The flannel makes you the hometown hero.
hannah claire brimelow
When you get elected to Congress, you have to wear a suit.
Then you're the other guy, which I'm sorry about.
tim pool
The slick, smarmy boyfriend.
hannah claire brimelow
Then he comes back home and he falls in love with Christmas all over again.
He meets a nice lady.
joe kent
Listen, babe.
tim pool
I want to know now.
unidentified
Is it me or this flannel-wearing hometown hero boy?
You know what?
tim pool
I never should have left home.
I don't actually watch Hallmark movies.
I've just seen the memes.
hannah claire brimelow
And I talk about them constantly during Christmas and Tim is like, that's enough.
tim pool
All right.
Fleeting floating feather says, Phil, your shirt is glowing and has moving lines on the stream.
Psychedelic like.
phil labonte
I aim to please.
You know, what can I say?
tim pool
I guess.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I can't tell.
Maybe it does.
Maybe it does.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's grab some more super chats.
What do we have here?
Nick Long says, People want to do evil and then get upset because of the way in which they were caught.
Journalism isn't meant to be clean and polite.
It's supposed to bring light to the darkness.
Christ is King.
That's the thing.
These people have, for too long, there's been no real journalism.
Where are the news organizations to go and interview these guys?
Where are the undercover operations to figure out what's going on at these corporations?
phil labonte
Literally on YouTube.
tim pool
Who is that lady?
Nellie Bly, was that her name?
She went undercover into a mental institution, putting herself at risk to expose the horrible treatment.
Remember what journalists used to do back in the day?
They used to actually be like, I'm gonna risk my- That's the meme, it's the super ripped Shiba Inu being like, I might die to get this story, and the mafia's not gonna be happy, but it must be told.
And the next one is like, they're being mean to me on Twitter!
phil labonte
Sincerely, it's the meme.
tim pool
It's the meme, man.
Let's grab this.
Wandering Mage says, what kind of psychotic mindset do you need to think that bioengineering the virus that locked the world down would impress a date?
unidentified
I'm telling you, it's a weird first date anecdote.
tim pool
Hey girl, I contributed to destroying the world.
Like, okay, I don't know if I want to be around you.
That's kind of crazy.
hannah claire brimelow
I asked you what your hobbies were.
tim pool
Yeah, you're a bad person.
But you do have to wonder what questions they were asked.
Because they may think that they're impressing the person by telling them this stuff.
But what does the date say?
So are you guys actually doing that gain of function stuff?
That'd be so cool if you were.
Come on, you're doing it, right?
Yeah, that's right.
That's kind of weird, you know?
unidentified
That's so weird.
serge du preez
So weird.
tim pool
Ian Medford says, Phil, do you remember Shadows Fall Show in Portland, Maine, where we and the crowd tore most of the ceiling out of the asylum?
phil labonte
I was never at a Shadows Fall Show in Portland, Maine.
I was out of the band before they started touring nationally.
We only did some regional stuff.
So the answer is no, I don't remember that show.
unidentified
All right.
phil labonte
But we played some awesome shows in Portland.
I love it up there.
tim pool
I don't think as much.
says, Joe, how much do you think Portlanders moving to Vancouver
and other areas in your district affected the results of the
election last year?
joe kent
I don't think as much. There's definitely people moving out, I
think, but most that are coming across the river in our district
are more or less aligned, I think more conservative leaning, there's definitely some in certain pockets of Vancouver.
But in general, I think that we just had a real issue with
Republican turnout. We had about 80,000 Republicans who participate in
the presidential elections that did not show up and vote in 2022. So we got to do a better job. The Democrats, to their
credit, they did a good job of getting ballots in front of all
their people. And we just simply didn't.
phil labonte
Even the dead ones.
tim pool
Tyler Bratton says it's unconstitutional to have a standing army during peacetime.
Congress passes a bill every year to get around this.
The Navy, however, is permanent.
Is that true?
phil labonte
We're not supposed to have a standing army in the U.S.
technically.
I believe that's in the Constitution.
I'm not exactly sure the details of it.
unidentified
A lot of them sit at desks, though, so it's not really the same thing.
phil labonte
That was one of the things that the founders believed was a peril to liberty, which is standing armies, because standing armies tend to make governments want to go to war and stuff.
serge du preez
I think the Navy was for trade, etc., and safety for the nation.
phil labonte
Yeah, protecting trade routes and stuff.
joe kent
They hired privateers for a lot of it.
serge du preez
Yeah, true, true.
phil labonte
Barbary pirates.
I mean, the Marine Corps was started right around the same time the U.S.
was started because of the Barbary.
Thomas Jefferson had to send the Marines to the Barbary coast in North Africa.
tim pool
Janky says, change my mind.
The second Veritas video is fake.
Watch the guy fake fall at 825.
Watch the roam around the whole building while people just keep making pizzas.
It's pretty fishy if you watch it with the fake mindset.
I completely disagree.
serge du preez
I disagree too.
unidentified
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
Fake how?
tim pool
What are the- Yeah, like, you think James O'Keefe hired this guy to pretend or something?
That's sick.
phil labonte
It's all CG.
tim pool
It's AI.
He typed into the AI, make me a video.
There's actually AI that does that, it's really amazing.
I saw a commercial for it and it's in beta, I think.
You can type in video of walking through a forest on a dirt path at night and it will generate that video and it is crazy.
serge du preez
Wild.
tim pool
Yeah, people are going to be able to make movies.
You're gonna be like, a scene where Ryan Reynolds smirks and does a backflip and then all of a sudden, of course, then he'll get sued because you're using his likeness, but you know, non-commercial hooks.
hannah claire brimelow
This sounds bad, right?
Like, this just sounds like it's ending, like, things that we love about being human.
unidentified
Right.
serge du preez
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
serge du preez
Like, who's making this stuff?
joe kent
Take away the joy.
serge du preez
Like, why are you making this stuff?
tim pool
Look, once Neuralink can plug into your brain, you'll have nothing to worry about.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
You'll plug in and for all you know, you're already in it.
For all you know, you're sitting there in a pod and you went to the Second Life Institute or the Alter Life Institute and said, I want to live a life as a, insert name, job.
You're the CEO of one of the most powerful corporations in the world, sir.
Why do you want to be a 35 year old carpenter named John?
Well, I just want to experience a normal life.
Okay, John.
I wonder how many carpenters named John would just be like, oh my God, he's talking about me!
Or is carpenter the right thing to say?
Contractor!
What's a common job?
serge du preez
Contractor.
unidentified
I used to work with a carpenter named Brad.
tim pool
Yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
I feel like that's a good carpenter name.
tim pool
It is.
All right.
Let's grab some more super chat.
Daya Blake says, once a Marine, always a Marine.
phil labonte
Hoorah.
tim pool
Semper Fi, Gen X, Vet.
serge du preez
All right.
tim pool
That's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Scott Heviaris says, I'm afraid the Pfizer guy is going to kill someone or himself.
I mean, the way he was jumping in front of that car, that was, the dude lost it.
phil labonte
Sounds to me like he's already killed people.
tim pool
Veritas wasn't even there.
hannah claire brimelow
When did they film these videos?
tim pool
This was the 24th, they had the date on the video.
The dude runs out in front of a car screaming.
I think he didn't know what to do.
I think he was just thinking like, you saw how he stole the iPad?
He must have assumed that was the only recording.
serge du preez
Yeah, which is wildly wrong.
joe kent
Clearly not rationally thinking.
tim pool
But he must be thinking like, my life is over.
serge du preez
Yeah, like you mentioned before the pod, that's some stuff you lose your life over.
tim pool
Oh yeah, man.
Somebody just lost a billion dollars or something.
serge du preez
Exactly.
tim pool
Crazy.
unidentified
Alright, we'll grab some more Super Chats here.
tim pool
AustinTW says y'all catch Rageaholic's recent Lincoln video.
Wow, it was something else.
It was not a good one for him.
For Abraham Lincoln?
serge du preez
Yeah, talks about Lincoln.
Did anyone else watch it?
phil labonte
I didn't, but I know, I'm guessing that it's something along the lines of Lincoln actually wasn't trying to free the slaves and... Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
serge du preez
It's stuff like that.
tim pool
We've talked about that a bit on the show.
Like the Emancipation Proclamation only freed slaves in rebel states, meaning the Union states that had slavery were like, nah, they were like, you're cool.
hannah claire brimelow
And he had a speech where he was like, if I could have kept the Union together by not freeing slaves, I would have done that.
tim pool
Everybody in the country was racist during the Civil War.
People assume the North was not racist.
Think about segregation into the 50s.
The North was very racist.
phil labonte
Even abolitionists were racist.
tim pool
Yes.
serge du preez
Totally.
phil labonte
Racism was the norm.
People didn't realize how destructive racism could be until it seems like World War II.
And then when you saw what happened to what the Nazis did to the Jews, and then people like, oh, that's a terrible idea.
And that's what can happen when you have that kind of bigotry and blah, blah, blah.
I mean, I'm not making a definitive statement, but that's what my impression is that for most of human history, racism was not The woke people want a return to the era of segregation.
tim pool
Derek Bell, a prominent critical race theorist, wrote that Brown v. Board of Education was wrong.
He agreed with separate but equal and thought it was better.
And I think he's nuts.
It's just insane for me even to think about.
Because you know what it is?
Obviously, the mixed-race dude has a problem with segregation.
If they want to live in this world, like Derrick Bell says, where they have their own separate economy, black people have their own economy and white people have their own economy, because that's what he's advocating for, that raises a very serious question about what happens to the people who are in between or neither.
That's why I'm like, yo, critical race theorists are scary people.
Segregationists.
phil labonte
It's purely white supremacy, but they just feel bad about it.
serge du preez
Yeah, it's just the other angle.
It's just the other side.
tim pool
Eric F. says, I am not getting into any government truck Ebola or no.
I'm not saying get in the truck.
I'm saying a truck pulls up and guys come out and they're like, we have a vaccine.
It is entirely optional.
It will prevent you from getting the airborne Ebola.
Yes or no?
Like, if I was watching people, like, vomiting up blood or whatever, I'd probably be like, I'll take it.
hannah claire brimelow
What if you're watching people who have a really, really high fever?
Who have a body ache?
Like, it starts to be harder to say.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the point, though.
That's exactly the point.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, we have our limits.
What if people's, like, heads were exploding?
Like, blood would come out of their eyes, and then within 15 minutes they go, ah!
And their heads would blow up.
I'd be like, I'll take whatever you got.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I would be interested in a vaccination for that.
unidentified
Yeah.
phil labonte
I would be looking for that.
hannah claire brimelow
Phil's against having his head blown up.
phil labonte
Yeah.
tim pool
It's just we're talking about the severity of the illness as perceived by people.
And I suppose if you live in the city and you watch MSNBC, you thought the end was nigh.
joe kent
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
And if you lived in the country and listen to Trump, you were like, well, we'll get through it.
serge du preez
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Creepy stuff, man.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
What do we got?
Trumpette says, NTD live video on YouTube with CDC, FDA an hour ago was talking about the flu and COVID shot and strokes.
Timestamp?
3.52 to 15 or whatever.
We talked about it.
Yeah, around 3 hours and 52 minutes and 3 hours and 54.
Yeah, the story came out.
It's kind of crazy.
We'll see where this one goes, man.
We'll see where this one goes.
Mitsu Plik says, bottom line is Sweden got it right on COVID.
serge du preez
That's right, yeah.
tim pool
Well, it's hard to say.
Sweden has eight million people and it's cold.
You know what I mean?
serge du preez
Right.
tim pool
So people are looking at that data and they're saying, ah, it's like, have you ever played Play Gink?
Yeah.
It's a game where you manufacture, like you're the virus and it evolves.
And it's like, the virus might not live in hot climates.
It might not live in cold climates.
You have to, Choose where it's gonna be, and then you earn points by, I guess they had like the cure or whatever, where like you're trying to race to make a cure for the virus, something like that.
It's a fun game, it's a fun game.
hannah claire brimelow
There's a board game that's similar called the Pandemic, and you have to like decide how to manage a pandemic.
tim pool
I think we have that downstairs.
The hard thing about Plague Inc.
is always, you gotta get Iceland first.
Because Iceland has only like a seaport, and a few people, but if you don't get Iceland, they close their borders and then they make it.
serge du preez
Yeah, true.
tim pool
It's like, oh man.
Yeah, so you gotta make sure, it's a fun game, basically in the game, if you make the virus too crazy, and it starts killing people really quickly, it won't spread fast enough, and then countries close their borders, and you lose.
So it's got, you gotta have like a really weak transmissible virus, and then, instantly, once everyone's infected, have it go full lethal, like, eyes and ears bleeding, kidney failure, and then the whole world just collapses.
It's a game on mobile, you can play it.
Download it in the app store, it's fun, everyone loves it.
serge du preez
I also looked it up.
It's like seven countries that in like Lafayette, Denmark, etc.
You said after 29, age 29, that this stopped.
Oh, it's a bunch.
Yeah, it's numerous countries.
tim pool
Yeah.
And the UK is they're not banning it.
People keep saying the UK is banning the use of vaccines.
No, they're currently yelling at people to get the vaccine now if you're under 50.
But then I guess the program is shifting to prioritize 50 plus so you won't be able to get it.
So it's not a ban.
They're just reprioritizing, meaning you can't.
And they're urging everyone to get it.
I'm not telling you what to do.
You do whatever your doctor tells you.
I'm just telling you they're not banning it.
All right, all right.
Where were we?
Masterbojangles says apparently there's footage of police killing a man in handcuffs that is about to be released from Memphis.
That is why there is a heightened presence in Georgia.
I guess they expect protests to ramp up.
serge du preez
I think that the video that I saw where the cop pulls out what she thought was her gun
or she thought was her taser and it's the gun.
Did you see that one?
tim pool
No.
I mean, that happened in Minnesota.
serge du preez
Yeah, I don't know if that was just recently, if I'm watching wrong.
Yeah, no, I think it just happened.
I don't know if that's the video they're talking about, but I saw it right before we started.
tim pool
I watched a video of the cops were trying to involuntarily commit 60 year old woman so she shot the cops and the bullet got lodged in the body camera of the woman and she's like kept going and then they shot the lady in the head.
It's crazy man but like the challenge is When the cops come and they're like, yo, we're going to involuntarily commit you because we think you're a danger to yourself or others.
And then you're like, I have an idea.
I will start shooting at you.
It's like, you kind of prove why you needed to be committed.
But I suppose the challenge with involuntary commitment is the police are arresting you with you having not committed any crimes.
So I don't know.
I don't know how to navigate that one constitutionally, but then she started shooting at people.
So it's the kind of person that probably should not be doing that.
Well, like literally no one should be, but that's a tough question, man.
Because I guess the argument is she wouldn't have done it if they didn't try to take her without charge, you know?
Well, I mean, yeah, and there's a lot of stories like, what do you do if someone calls in and claims you're doing a thing and then they try to arrest you even though you didn't do anything wrong?
It's creepy stuff.
phil labonte
Yeah.
All right.
That's the problem with red flag laws.
joe kent
Yeah.
tim pool
Right.
Highlander Ultra says, Tim, will you open a coffee shop in South Carolina?
Will you offer your keto bacon egg and cheese recipe breakfast menu item at these coffee bars?
I don't know if we're going to do food like that.
phil labonte
If you do food, you have to do vinegar eggs.
tim pool
No, but, you know, what we could do is, here's what I do.
I take, you take an egg, you put some almond flour in it, you scramble it up, put it in the microwave, and it fluffs up into a little keto bun.
No sugar.
phil labonte
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, you cut it, you take an egg, you put it in a pan, you mash the yolk up a little bit, slosh it around, fry it, put it, cheese, bacon, almond bun, delicious.
hannah claire brimelow
But when are you releasing the cookbook 101 Ways to Make Eggs by Tim Pool?
unidentified
You've got the chickens, you've got the egg recipes, like, this is the product I need.
tim pool
We did this here, I mean, I shouldn't say we, but I can't remember who made it, they cooked a bunch of different egg recipes.
There was that one where you, like, make a meringue or something, you whip the egg whites and then bake it, so it's fluffy and it's called, like, cloudy eggs, and then you put the yolk in the middle and something like that?
hannah claire brimelow
When you guys went to Nashville last year we had like a whole day where we made breakfast and Dane made like a huge frittata like we can do this.
tim pool
Yo, we should be making deviled eggs non-stop.
phil labonte
Deviled eggs are so good.
tim pool
It's like I can eat two eggs for breakfast or I can eat 15 deviled eggs.
unidentified
I don't know how that works.
phil labonte
So good.
tim pool
But they're just amazing.
unidentified
Alright.
tim pool
What do we got?
Will Cybernot says, Kent is right about Seattle creating preppers.
I'm so thankful we left.
The family that bought the house from us is holding the bag.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe kent
Yeah.
Fleeing the city.
phil labonte
Sucks.
joe kent
Sad, too, because Seattle, I think, was one of the most beautiful cities in the country 15 years ago.
It's just destroyed now.
phil labonte
The Pacific Northwest is absolutely gorgeous.
unidentified
Beautiful.
hannah claire brimelow
Is Seattle like ceded territory?
Like, do you think there's any recovering for it?
joe kent
It's way away from where I live, fortunately.
But I feel Portland is right below us.
And I think both of them are in the same boat that they're going to have to really hit bottom.
A lot of the big businesses that kind of held that place down economically are slowly and quietly leaving.
And so when that happens, does it become Detroit and then bounce back up?
That's the big question.
hannah claire brimelow
Interesting.
tim pool
Alright, Joe Field says, I'm just saying Jordan's behavior seemed like a performance.
I believe half of what I see and none of what I hear.
Fair point.
Nicholas Alvarado says, I just want to know how James O'Keefe found Tinder for Hydra.
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