Nov. 29, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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| I hope you had a good Thanksgiving. | ||
| You were with your families or loved ones, or at least relaxed and enjoyed yourself. | ||
| Over the past week, there was a particularly big news story that's resulted in a continued news cycle, which is now going on for over a week, which is in many ways unheard of. | ||
| But right now, because Donald Trump went to dinner with Ye and Nick Fuentes, among others, he is now being denounced by Mike Pence, several Republican senators, and For whatever reason, this story—for many reasons, I suppose, people have made—this story has persisted till today. | ||
| And we are able to actually sit down with several of the individuals involved in that story, notably Ye, Nick Fuentes, and Malianopoulos, of course, who made the dinner happen. | ||
| It's my understanding. | ||
| Or at least got the— No, no. | ||
| I had the dinner invite before I met Milo. | ||
| Okay, my bad, my bad. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| So, we're gonna jump right into this story. | ||
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I just overcomplicated it. | |
| Absolutely. | ||
| So we're going to start with that. | ||
| There's a lot we want to talk about. | ||
| And you know what, man? | ||
| This is a very big story. | ||
| A lot of people have questions about, you know, what were Trump's intentions? | ||
| Why were certain people invited? | ||
| And Trump, of course, has issued statements. | ||
| So a lot of people want to know where he stands and, more importantly, what happened there and why. | ||
| And there's also the questions about what Yay 24 means, and I'll keep that a little bit vague so that they can answer to that and speak more to that, and then of course we're going to get into a lot of different issues. | ||
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| We're going to have a members-only uncensored show, which will probably get a bit more in-depth on a lot of other issues. | ||
| I'll just leave it at that. | ||
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| Joining us, as I mentioned, is we have Ye himself. | ||
| Would you like to introduce yourself, good sir? | ||
| You did it. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| I think everybody knows who you are. | ||
| And which of you gentlemen would like to introduce yourself? | ||
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unidentified
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Nicholas, please. | |
| Hi, I'm Nick Fuentes, first time here on the TimCast. | ||
| Thank you for having me. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| What do you do? | ||
| Oh, I'm a live streamer. | ||
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unidentified
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I do a show called America First on Cozy.tv. | |
| All right. | ||
| And of course, Milo, you were here a couple weeks ago. | ||
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unidentified
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Yes, I'm your best ever guest. | |
| So we've been told that the episode with you was one of the best podcasts ever. | ||
| People really enjoyed hearing you speak. | ||
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unidentified
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I think that's accurate. | |
| Okay. | ||
| Thanks for coming back. | ||
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unidentified
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Thanks. | |
| I was wondering how I was going to make it even more extraordinary the second time I visited, but I think I might have pulled it off. | ||
| Luke's here. | ||
| Total sausage fest tonight. | ||
| Welcome. | ||
| My name is Luke Grodowski of wearechange.org. | ||
| Today I'm wearing my Epstein didn't Epstein himself t-shirt, which you could get on thebestpoliticalshirts.com. | ||
| And I think we should be using that word a little bit more, just like, you know, This YouTube channel didn't Epstein itself. | ||
| And if this YouTube channel is Epstein, we will be streaming on Twitter. | ||
| So yeah, I started a t-shirt company after YouTube demonetized me. | ||
| So thebestpoliticalshirts.com because you guys buy it. | ||
| That's why I'm here. | ||
| Thank you so much for having me. | ||
| And of course, Serge. | ||
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And I am Serge.com. | |
| Pleasure, guys. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And I'll just pull up this story from The Hill, which is from earlier today, 5 p.m. | ||
| Pence says Trump should apologize. | ||
| It's wrong to give anti-Semite a seat at the table. | ||
| This, of course, is related to a dinner that happened. | ||
| And I was wrong a little on the details. | ||
| So a dinner happened. | ||
| Nick, you were there. | ||
| Ye, you were there. | ||
| I just want to start off by how did this dinner come to happen and what happened? | ||
| I was talking to Trump for about a month. | ||
| We had scheduled the dinner in October and then he announced for president. | ||
| He pushed the dinner back to November. | ||
| And I've been pulling together a campaign and after I put up the Defcon tweet, a bunch of people that have been cancelled, like Alex Jones, I started getting contact with other people that were now on the you know, the inside of the matrix. And Alex Jones, | ||
| producer, said that Milo wanted to contact me. | ||
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unidentified
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And here we are. So that's how you guys got in contact? | |
| Yeah, originally. And then I've suggested that we bring in Nicholas as an enormous extra | ||
| brain firepower that he is. | ||
| Most extraordinarily brilliant political commentator of his generation. | ||
| And he's been treated just about as badly as anybody, so I thought he deserved to be in the room too. | ||
| And yeah, that's pretty much how we got together. | ||
| So I have some questions about that, but we'll get through the dinner portion of how exactly this happened, what went down. | ||
| So this is how you get in contact, the three of you. | ||
| How is it that Nick ends up invited to this dinner, and what happened? | ||
| Well, he was rolling with me. | ||
| I was impressed with Nick and I was like, just come to the dinner. | ||
| And we had Karen Giorno pick us up from the airport and there was a lot of back and forth. | ||
| There's another gentleman named Jamar Montgomery that was with us. | ||
| He's an engineer at Boeing and his I'm telling him just that we should raise everyone's volume. | ||
| OK, cool. | ||
| And we sat there and it was like when Trump came in, we were I said, do you want to sit alone? | ||
| He's like, no, bring your friends in. | ||
| So a big thing is like Trump had no idea who Nick Fuentes was. | ||
| And but this whole, I just, I just got to go right to the heart of this anti-Semite claim that's happening. | ||
| This is something, if you read the definition, it, it says you can't claim that There's multiple people inside of banks or in media that are all Jewish, or you're anti-Semitic. | ||
| And that's the truth. | ||
| Like, it's the truth. | ||
| What are we talking about? | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| I'm saying, like, I've been labeled anti-Semite, right? | ||
| So, There's different beliefs about our bloodlines, you know, like the documentary that Kyrie posted. | ||
| And in general, America has been left ignorant and history has been changed. | ||
| So when we start questioning things, that question, the indoctrination, then you immediately get, you know, you said, debanked, or what did you say happened to you? | ||
| Demonetized, de-platformed. | ||
| Yeah, demonized, demonetized, and what's so beautiful about this time is everyone got to see what's really been happening. | ||
| And now we can really understand, we can see that Ron Emanuel was right next to Obama and then Jared Kushner was right next to Trump. | ||
| We're getting right into it I guess, right? | ||
| I was hoping to go for the news first before we got into all of this stuff. | ||
| I think the issue is, one way to put it, is you're expounding upon a localization issue that you've witnessed, right? | ||
| Let me clarify. | ||
| There are a handful of people that you see are Jewish in a certain place, and then you associate Judaism with the power, whereas I view that as not relevant to it. | ||
| Like, yeah, you're substantially more powerful than I am, but I don't view what you're doing as an issue of black people. | ||
| Yeah, but have you ever heard the term, the black vote? | ||
| So it's okay to put us in one net, but it's not okay for me to put them in one net. | ||
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Yeah, but I mean... That's the basis of the hypocrisy that people have been thinking about and knowing about and realizing for decades. | |
| We were all wondering how this dam was going to break. | ||
| Everybody in the country was wondering, what is the root of this hypocrisy? | ||
| Why can people talk about white people a certain way? | ||
| Why can't they talk about that group a certain way? | ||
| And the most wretched and wicked and oppressive prevailing orthodoxy of cancel culture, well it turned out that the one thing that was going to break the dam was the biggest star in the world. | ||
| And it took the biggest star in the world to do it. | ||
| And now the dam is broken. | ||
| So let me tell you my issue. | ||
| I don't like identitarianism. | ||
| You guys are familiar with what that is? | ||
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Well, they started it, and they've been busy on us. | |
| We're trying to break it. | ||
| When I was asking you about running for president, you immediately said, well, you know, you'd be good for the black vote. | ||
| And I said, is that because I'm black? | ||
| No, not just because of that. | ||
| So it was that. | ||
| Are you doing the same thing? | ||
| I didn't say that was the only reason. | ||
| I said it was because you're personable to the common person, and you probably would do well with the black vote. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Just because I'm black? | ||
| Because a lot of black people don't like me. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I think race plays a role in a lot of things, absolutely. | ||
| I think the construct of race has really been forced upon us as just something for us to be woke about and just constantly talk about and use it as these, like, walls. | ||
| Couldn't you say the same thing about Judaism? | ||
| Well, let's look at the facts of what I'm saying, though. | ||
| If you say, in this neighborhood, where they gerrymander, there's this amount of time. | ||
| So, hey, I wasn't doing that. | ||
| I was just gerrymandering the lawyers and the Hollywood executives and the people at the bank that debanked me and then froze my accounts. | ||
| You know, it's like, we want to jump into protecting the idea that we can't put a net around something, right? | ||
| But that's been my job as a producer, to take You know, a Roy Air sample, and put a James Brown drum, and put it within a two-minute, three-minute song. | ||
| That's the way I actually think, and that's the way I talk. | ||
| And now, this morning, I found out that they were trying to put me in prison, because what they did was I moved $140 million into JP Morgan, and I said, I want to talk to Jamie Dimon. | ||
| Like, look at me, I'm just going in naive, you know, multi-billionaire, like, maybe Jamie Dimon will let me in on some deal flow. | ||
| Wrong. | ||
| And I'm just like, banging my hands, like, I want to meet with Jamie. | ||
| And I start complaining online, and then they debank me. | ||
| for complaining. | ||
| And so I'm about to get debanked. | ||
| They're like, you need to go to Trump's, the bank, AXO, whatever, you got to go. | ||
| And I'm like, I've been trying to buy my own bank for the longest. | ||
| And then we figured out how to get my own bank. | ||
| It's like 50 million, 75 million. | ||
| So I'm about to buy my own bank. | ||
| But then, as they're about to take the money out, Here comes Adidas with a $275 million bill for marketing funds that they agreed upon. | ||
| Because I said to them, hey, I'm the marketing, give me the marketing fund. | ||
| Which proves by the response they got when they stole the designs and said, we're going to not call them Yeezys anymore. | ||
| So this is what I was already fighting Adidas for. | ||
| So I'm fighting Gap. | ||
| Get out of Gap. | ||
| Adidas. | ||
| And then I deal with this little bit of noise from, you know, Zionism, from the fashion world, where they use this plant named Gabi, who's obviously like some kind of CIA agent, knows nothing about fashion. | ||
| This is a certain thing. | ||
| When someone can't dress, you know that they're not like a fashion person. | ||
| They're just there as like the society, like the control that they try to use with celebrities, which has now been broken, right? | ||
| Because you know where it broke? | ||
| Okay, I want to get on, like, LeBron in a second, but I'm gonna come back to this and just talk about this morning where, you know, I'm not gonna mention her name because she's a nice lady, but someone at Cohen Resnick tells me, and I've told all of my finance people, never use the term a lot, but they said, okay, you're gonna have to pay a lot of taxes. | ||
| And that made me feel like they're just, like, waiting, like, we finally got him. | ||
| We finally can put him in jail. | ||
| And I was like, can I still run for president in jail? | ||
| I found out I could, so I was like, okay. | ||
| That's fine then. | ||
| It'll be okay. | ||
| But if you were Jeffrey Epstein, they wouldn't touch your bank account. | ||
| They would allow you to break the rules, regulations, just like JPMorgan and Chase did, just like Deutsche Bank did. | ||
| So there is an issue to bring up with that. | ||
| But when it comes to the race stuff, I think this is an important discussion to have because... I have to complete this thought. | ||
| You guys got it. | ||
| Okay, go ahead. | ||
| Because I'm talking about literally finding out that they were trying to put me in prison this morning. | ||
| Watch this. | ||
| This morning? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So I'm not, you know, not come to my house this morning, but I found out, okay, so they froze, they put a $75 million hold on four of my accounts. | ||
| And then they said, you owe a lot of taxes. | ||
| Took me like six hours to find out how much a lot was, they said. | ||
| Well, around $50 million. | ||
| Now I'm going to different CFOs like, okay, so would this be tax evasion? | ||
| Because I'm obviously not the most financially literate person on the planet. | ||
| I was just a child, basically. | ||
| When you become famous, you stop growing at that point. | ||
| I became famous at age 24 and I had handlers around. | ||
| I had my mom around, different things. | ||
| And it was always like you go from one handler to the next handler to the next handler. | ||
| So now I get to actually learn how to run. | ||
| a company. | ||
| I get to learn how to count, really. | ||
| I was like Pablo in a movie. | ||
| It was like I didn't even know where to put the money, like literally making $300 million cash, but you're just like a high-priced, you know, we're not going to use the S-word just because it's like too passé to use it, but it's like next year I was supposed to make $500 million in royalties, and no one needs this amount of money. But when I would work on homeless | ||
| shelters and ideas, I'd have a contractor, who won't say what race, and they'd be tearing down the | ||
| contracts. It's all about position. | ||
| It's not about the amount of money that you have and, you know, to come in here, I feel like it's a setup to be, like, defending. | ||
| I'm not gonna go through another, like, I'm literally gonna walk the F off the show if I'm sitting up here having a, you know, talk about, you can't say that it was Jewish people that did it when Every sensible person knows that. | ||
| I mean, Jon Stewart knows what happened to me and they took it too far. | ||
| It was like American History X. Like, my head was on the side of the curve and the exact people that I called out kicked my head. | ||
| We found out that my trainer was a MKUltra Canadian He worked in the defense research and development in the Canadian military, essentially working on psyops in the Canadian military. | ||
| Who's this guy? | ||
| This is Harley Pasternak. | ||
| Yeah, what I'm saying is, look, they tried to medicate me, I was exhausted, they wrongly diagnosed me, and when I asked them how much Lithium, did you want to put me on exactly? | ||
| It took them four days to answer because they were embarrassed about the amount, right? | ||
| And I refuse to take this, right? | ||
| You understand that if I had taken the medication, I would not be here and it would have been, woe is, he was deeply troubled. | ||
| We miss him. | ||
| We love his music though. | ||
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Well, they would have Britney Spears, too. | |
| They would have Michael Jacksoned me. | ||
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unidentified
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Or worse, yeah. | |
| Look at what they did to Britney. | ||
| When she went in, she was tired, she was exhausted, she was in a bad way. | ||
| But ten years of that medication wrecked her brain. | ||
| You can see it now. | ||
| You can see there's not much of her left. | ||
| You mentioned Pasternak was the name? | ||
| Yes, Harley Pasternak. | ||
| That's the text message that you posted that we were talking about before. | ||
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unidentified
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That's the lobotomy thing. | |
| Before the show, obviously, I'm getting a bunch of messages from people. | ||
| People are hitting me up and they're like, you shouldn't host them, they're anti-semitic, they're white supremacists, they're racist. | ||
| I do find the idea, I do find it funny or weird or whatever that, you know, Nick, they call you a white supremacist, you're here working with or for, you know, one of the most powerful black men, one of the wealthiest and most famous. | ||
| But, uh, A lot of people were saying, on the right, specifically, don't platform them. | ||
| And I said, well, I want to understand what they're thinking and why they're thinking it. | ||
| They're involved in what may be the biggest news story of the past week, and we have an opportunity to sit down and talk to them. | ||
| Because the red media controls both sides. | ||
| It just said it as simple as possible. | ||
| Jerry Kushner was next to Trump. | ||
| Ron Emanuel was next to Obama. | ||
| But since 1940—go ahead. | ||
| As I say, isn't that an issue of these individuals? | ||
| I'm going to order with the last of my money that's available in a different account, I'm going to order a PJ before I sit and have another Lex Friedman set-up conversation. | ||
| They're trying to put me in jail for my opinion. | ||
| I'm not going to have that opinion. | ||
| I don't care about people. | ||
| Those are bots that are trying to tell you. | ||
| We realize, look at Pence. | ||
| He sold Trump out. | ||
| You get what I'm saying? | ||
| It's like I would have never wanted to do anything that hurt Trump. | ||
| I'm on Trump's side. | ||
| Trump said things that hurt me. | ||
| He lied about me, but I mean, he's known for lying. | ||
| And when people used to tell me, that, you know, he's a liar. It's like, you know, I went | ||
| into the trenches for Trump. | ||
| That's another conversation. There was no one in my position that wore that hat. | ||
| And all of my surroundings exhausted me. It was like death by a thousand questions. I know I'm | ||
| jumping to another thing. But what I'm saying is, I know you got a rep for your people online, | ||
| but it's like you got a person in real life that I'm not with it, bro. I lost the... | ||
| I lost the money for the freedom of speech, and that's what makes me the only American that we know that really deserves to run the country, because everyone else—your boy DeSantis, Trump, whoever they raise in a petri dish over on the Democrat side—is going to play the game. | ||
| Here's what I was trying to get to. | ||
| You went right into the anti-Semite thing. | ||
| I think it's something that should be talked about, but if you start bringing this up, you're going to ask my opinion on it. | ||
| I'm going to disagree with you. | ||
| I didn't ask your opinion on it. | ||
| You jumped into it. | ||
| I don't care about your opinion. | ||
| I like your opinion on how we win an election, but I don't care about anybody's opinion, bro. | ||
| They tried to put me in jail. | ||
| They blocked two Billion dollars I had. | ||
| But I told Farrakhan, I said, look, oh, is it anti-Semitic for me to say his name out loud? | ||
| The minister. | ||
| Yeah, the minister. | ||
| Obama met with him, too. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, the Jewish people allowed Obama to meet with the minister. | ||
| Farrakhan said, well, did he have the money? | ||
| The contract for the next four years, if I hadn't done anything, would have been $500 million a year for four years. | ||
| What I was fighting for was the IP so my children could I'm sorry, sometimes I think about seven thoughts at one time, because anything I see, I come up with like seven answers to it and then just choose what it is. | ||
| But the thing is, when I said my children, the reason why my brain kind of blocked, because it's like God is saying, you know, your children are going to be okay. | ||
| Baby mama's got money, right? | ||
| God is using me. | ||
| He's breaking me down. | ||
| removing all of the, you know, richest person, all of this, so I can serve Him. | ||
| And the more and more those things are taken away from me, the more I can be empty and be a vessel and be able to be used. | ||
| And right now, it's like, you're not going to take If we can't, you're not going to take my pain away, right? | ||
| The Jewish people say, it's the Holocaust, this happened, and you can't say anything about it. | ||
| We can't take their pain away. | ||
| No one's going to denounce the fact that they tried to lock me up. | ||
| That's what, because every time I'm just holding stride and it's like, I I thought I was more Malcolm X, but I find out I'm more MLK, because as I'm getting hosed down every day by the press, and financially, I'm just standing there. | ||
| And when I found out that they tried to put me in jail, it was like a dog was biting my arm, and I almost shed a tear. | ||
| Almost. | ||
| But I still walked in stride through it. | ||
| I think they've been extremely unfair to you. | ||
| Who was they, though? | ||
| We can't say who they is, can we? | ||
| Corporate press? | ||
| I don't use the word as the way I guess you guys use it. | ||
| It is them, though, isn't it? | ||
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I mean, because when you think about it, consider it. | |
| In 2018... What do you mean it's not? | ||
| What do I mean, like, okay, so how about... Are you leaving? | ||
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unidentified
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Are you afraid of the press? | |
| He's gone. | ||
| I'll say it right now. | ||
| You guys want to bring that stuff up and then think we're not going to have a conversation? | ||
| Have the discussion. | ||
| You think Ye's going to come in here and say, here's my pain, here's my suffering. | ||
| I'm going to say, I hear you. | ||
| And then he's going to say, and it was Jewish people, and I'm going to be like, okay, but don't you consider it. | ||
| I'm not going to do this. | ||
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I refuse. | |
| I got to go make sure he's cool. | ||
| All right, go for it. | ||
| Luke and I will have a conversation. | ||
| So I can't say I'm surprised. | ||
| What do I even do? | ||
| Other than ask him, please elaborate on this. | ||
| Are you referring to individuals or are you quite literally blaming an entire group of people for the fact that powerful individuals are causing you harm? | ||
| I really wanted to ask Nick about his thoughts about MLK because I know they contradict. | ||
| These comments about that but but again these are mass generalizations that don't really help anyone in my perspective they just kind of sound like their opposition they sound what they're kind of going against the woke mob that's always saying white men white men are responsible for everything when I see people just use generalizations it kind of cheapens the conversations it cheapens a dialogue that we could have here that I was planning to | ||
| talk to Ye about, specifically bringing up like, hey, let's actually talk about this in a | ||
| real concise way. Let's not get emotional. | ||
| Let's not walk out of here. Let's actually talk about this. | ||
| Let me tell all you guys outright. I said this is going to be a big issue. | ||
| Before the show, obviously people are going to bring up the questions of anti-Semitism. | ||
| Why don't we talk about the news? | ||
| I want to hear what happened with this meeting. | ||
| I want to understand what Ye24 is. | ||
| And then we can do a longer conversation about any of that stuff. | ||
| And Ye, literally in the first five minutes, says, no, I want to talk about a group of people and point to them. | ||
| Whatever, man. | ||
| You want to know why? | ||
| Look, you're not going to sit here and you're going to walk out of the room. | ||
| You're free to do so, man. | ||
| But literally, I said a couple sentences about, I don't think that's fair. | ||
| Did I insult the man? | ||
| He seriously can't handle it? | ||
| He also left during the Piers Morgan interview he did, but he came back. | ||
| So again, we should be able to have this conversation. | ||
| What's up, Chris? | ||
| I wanted to talk to these guys about why they're meeting with Trump. | ||
| I want to know what happened with the dinner, because we hear a lot of rumors about it. | ||
| I want to hear about their 2024 platform, which they were promising, which they were talking about, like they're going to be officially... Let me explain to everybody. | ||
| You know, unfortunate they walked out. | ||
| Fine, maybe they'll come back, whatever. | ||
| This is the biggest challenge with dealing with identitarianism. | ||
| I do not believe that the predeterminate factor in someone's worth, value, or agenda is based on immutable characteristics. | ||
| Kanye's a black man. | ||
| He does not represent all black people. | ||
| There are Jewish individuals who work in banks. | ||
| Dave Chappelle made the joke about Jewish people in Hollywood. | ||
| And he said, but it doesn't mean anything. | ||
| You got a lot of black people in Ferguson, it doesn't mean they run the place. | ||
| The point is, me, I'm all about individualism, meritocracy, personal responsibility. | ||
| That means an individual of any background can be capable of anything. | ||
| More importantly, we have employees here who are Jewish who spend time in Israel and would probably agree with a lot of issues that they would talk about, especially as it pertains to America First, you know, bringing jobs back here and securing our borders. | ||
| But then it's just like every step of the way, it's like, bro, if you live in a world where a single group of people is haunting you, you're trapped. | ||
| You're not going to get out. | ||
| The issue is, you can overcome anything. | ||
| I understand, you know, and I empathize that there are powerful business interests that are coming at Kanye. | ||
| And I will say this, because I wanted to get into the Trump stuff. | ||
| When Kanye mentioned he got suspended on Twitter, then he gets word that Milo wants to meet up with him. | ||
| Then Milo puts him in touch with Fuentes. | ||
| My immediate question is, okay, my thought to myself, we really want to know about the inner details of this Trump meeting. | ||
| I guess it's not going to happen. | ||
| My question then is, don't you think that, you know, if Kanye is going to say these things and then immediately start getting involved with Fuentes, that only amplifies the accusations made against him? | ||
| But I guess if they genuinely believe these things, that's who they are. | ||
| I was dying to interrupt. | ||
| I was dying to say a whole bunch of stuff during his, you know, his conversation. | ||
| I respectively, you know, didn't. | ||
| I was waiting to counterback, but we didn't even push back at all, really. | ||
| We didn't even really say anything. | ||
| Crazy out there. | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| We should at least have the tough conversations. | ||
| We should debate these ideas. | ||
| What does he think is going on? | ||
| I don't know, but I just wish people were, again, like, hey, you don't agree with me 100%? | ||
| That's fine. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| I'm not going to run away. | ||
| Like, come on, let's have this discussion, let's have this conversation. | ||
| I don't know, man. | ||
| I really wanted to talk about Balenciaga, I really wanted to talk about Harley Pasternak, I really wanted to talk about Dave Chappelle. | ||
| Dave Chappelle talked about, you know, a lot of the things that Ye was warning about, specifically with people trying to drug him, specifically with people trying to, of course, get him on big pharma medicines. | ||
| He was, again, sent to You know, he was institutionalized a couple years ago, specifically on November 21st, 2016. | ||
| He's pointing a lot of this blame on this Harley Pasternak guy, who, again, he's the one who's training Lizzo, Elliot Page, he was training Brittany Murphy, he trained a lot of controversial figures, and he is connected to Canadian military PSYOPs. | ||
| We should know what else is happening behind the scenes there, what else he knows, but we can't even get that. | ||
| Before the show, Ye was like, This is funny, you know, he's like, how do I become president? | ||
| How do you win? | ||
| And I thought it was a rhetorical question, because, like, why would I know that question? | ||
| And he was like, hey man, I asked you a question, you know, what do you think? | ||
| And I was like, oh, ballot harvesting, like, hands down. | ||
| You go door to door. | ||
| He brought it up when he mentioned that I said that he would do well with the black vote. | ||
| I feel like that's kind of oversimplifying what I said. | ||
| What I said was that he's a celebrity, he's a personable character, he appeals to regular people more so. | ||
| If he knocked on the door and you said, Trump, Biden, yay, they'd be like, yay. | ||
| You know, but I do think that he would do better with the black vote simply because there's people who look up to him because they can see themselves in him. | ||
| Now, let me elaborate. | ||
| That's actually more of a leftist position, this woke position, because I don't completely disagree with every component of what diversity is. | ||
| I think that it's true that if you're a little kid growing up in this country, And you're not white, but all you ever see on billboards and all you ever see on TV is white people, that means something, that has an effect on you. | ||
| And that's basically what I'm getting to. | ||
| All I can really say is this. | ||
| Bro, if I can't ask you questions, calmly like, hey, but don't you think this is like localizing? | ||
| He could have been like, I don't, you know, I genuinely view it this way, and I'd have said, well, okay, I can only ask you the question, you're allowed to believe what you want to believe. | ||
| But dude, what did I ask him? | ||
| Three questions about it? | ||
| And he just got up and left? | ||
| He's gonna come here and just talk and be uninterrupted? | ||
| Before we started the show, he said, hey, we're doing this show, why don't we do it every week? | ||
| And I'm like, what is this? | ||
| Is this, what, is it because you can't get on any other shows? | ||
| I'm sorry, bro. | ||
| This is not a show where you come in and talk by yourself and say whatever you want and say things that warrant questioning, at the very least. | ||
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At least for clarification. | |
| Yeah, I mean, everything should be questioned. | ||
| Everything should be debated. | ||
| Everything should be, you know, talked about. | ||
| We shouldn't stray away from uncomfortable situations. | ||
| We decide to take things head-on. | ||
| Like, we have our particular viewpoints. | ||
| They have theirs. | ||
| Obviously, there's a difference. | ||
| Obviously, we believe in different things. | ||
| Let's see which idea is better. | ||
| Let's see which idea wins out in the public sphere. | ||
| Let's actually have that conversation. | ||
| And it's kind of sad that we can't. | ||
| Well, I think it's funny that we have people in Super Chats who are like, why don't you just let him keep talking and keep talking? | ||
| But that's not how the show works. | ||
| We cut each other off all the time. | ||
| I just cut you off right now. | ||
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I know. | |
| Right? | ||
| This is the way we do the show. | ||
| Guys, I'm sorry, man. | ||
| I'm not here to do a show where we let one... Look, we had Milo come on a couple weeks ago, and he mostly just talked. | ||
| And I think there's something interesting there. | ||
| Milo had been banned for a really long time and hadn't spoken out in years. | ||
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Five years. | |
| Yeah, he's been on a whole bunch of podcasts. | ||
| So when we were talking about bringing him on, I said, look, man, after the Kyle Rittenhouse stuff, people were like, are you going to get him on the show? | ||
| And I'm like, I don't want to chase after a dude who, like, he's in the news. | ||
| Ye goes on Rogan before. | ||
| He goes on Fridman. | ||
| And then I'm like, that's cool. | ||
| They got those conversations. | ||
| Then we were told we would get Milo, Fuentes, and Ye at the same time, and we could talk about this big news. | ||
| Because that's what we do. | ||
| We are a topical news show with guests. | ||
| We are not Joe Rogan Experience. | ||
| We're not guest interviews. | ||
| And so with Milo, we had him on, and it turned into something different because the man's been out of the limelight for five years and came back and said Trump supporters want revenge. | ||
| So here on this show, I don't want to tell you, man. | ||
| Ye doesn't have to do anything. | ||
| He owes me no favors. | ||
| He wanted to come on the show, but he didn't want to have a conversation. | ||
| I didn't disrespect him. | ||
| We were nice to him. | ||
| We hung out with him before the show. | ||
| We tried to accommodate him to the best of our abilities, but he didn't want to entertain a conversation. | ||
| I can't make him. | ||
| He doesn't owe me that. | ||
| He can leave. | ||
| That's his thing. | ||
| Appreciate him trying as best as he did. | ||
| That's about it. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| I mean, what else can you do, right? | ||
| I mean... Look, you know, let me tell you guys some stories, because I guess this is the show now. | ||
| Welcome to the Monday Night Show. | ||
| It was all hype and then all nothing. | ||
| You know, I don't like identitarianism. | ||
| I've never been a fan of people who've blamed everyone else for their problems. | ||
| I remember during Occupy Wall Street, you had people saying it was the one percent that was the cause of their problems. | ||
| And I'm like, what are you talking about? | ||
| You got one percenters here giving you money. | ||
| You've got rich people down here supporting Occupy Wall Street, providing funding. | ||
| You've got, like, George Soros money going into these non-profits that are funding you to complain about rich people. | ||
| The problem is varying agendas. | ||
| The problem is varying ideologies. | ||
| The problem is everyone fighting for power for what they want. | ||
| In Ye's circumstance, they're coming after him. | ||
| They're trying to take away his stuff. | ||
| They're threatening him with institutionalization, and I understand all of that. | ||
| It's unfortunate that he's internalized this problem to, it is a specific ethnic and religious background that's doing it. | ||
| And I'm like, bro, it's specific people doing it to you. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I don't know what else to say. | ||
| You can read Super Chats. | ||
| Well, I think Super Chats would be interesting to spur on this conversation. | ||
| We made it 27 minutes, and YouTube didn't take it down, Ye just got up and left. | ||
| Yeah, people don't understand. | ||
| We took a big risk tonight. | ||
| It was my channel, it was your channel, especially on the line, because, again, we're hosting conversations that are tough, that are not easy to have, that we need to be ready for, that we need to, of course, counter ideas just to let the best idea win. | ||
| So, you know, taking this risk is just unfortunate that it played off the way it did. | ||
| Again, he doesn't owe us anything, but this just should have done... I just wish it would have went a totally different way, but you can't control individuals. | ||
| And if someone can't handle getting their assertions questioned... Well, but why did he get so angry about it? | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| I don't understand it. | ||
| It's not like we were confrontational. | ||
| It's not like we were rude. | ||
| I definitely disagreed with some of the statements and I was waiting to jump in just to have that conversation. | ||
| Well, here's my thing. | ||
| I don't know who he's talking about. | ||
| I don't know exactly what happened. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| And so when he says a thing happened to me and I'm like, but who did it? | ||
| What am I supposed to be like? | ||
| You've got to, I'm sorry, man. | ||
| Like the idea that you've got a group of people of this, like, It just doesn't make sense. | ||
| I'm sorry, man. | ||
| It just doesn't. | ||
| There's certainly powerful individuals who are friends with each other. | ||
| Like I said, Bezos, billionaire. | ||
| Bill Gates, billionaire. | ||
| Bill Gates going on TED Talks talking about depopulation. | ||
| You've got, here's an example, Shane Smith, CEO of Vice, Irish-Canadian guy, multi-billionaire, created a woke media empire. | ||
| So when we're talking about censorship and silencing and he says it's like Jewish or whatever and I'm like, but what does that mean? | ||
| Like there's woke entities that are completely white European dudes. | ||
| Antifa is mostly white European. | ||
| They're not Jewish guys going around smashing up windows. | ||
| This is the issue of people blaming a group of people when the issue is specific to something unrelated to their background. | ||
| I don't know what else, man. | ||
| How are you guys doing? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I might want to go downstairs and see if we can get him back. | ||
| I think it's worth a try. | ||
| I'm going to try to talk to him and see if we can get him back. | ||
| I'll read superchats. | ||
| I'll read superchats. | ||
| Well, that was fun. | ||
| We're just going to sit here. | ||
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I guess so. | |
| We'll read some superchats because otherwise, that's it. | ||
| You know, it is what it is, guys. | ||
| We try, we try. | ||
|
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I mean, Luke is right. | |
| He has left podcasts before and then come back. | ||
| Sometimes it just takes some people. | ||
| And it's probably a good lesson. | ||
| It takes a minute to calm down and then you can come back after. | ||
| He needs to explain what he means. | ||
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Right. | |
| He can't just say, it's true. | ||
| And I'm like, what do you mean by that? | ||
| Who are you referring to? | ||
| No, I'm done. | ||
| I'm leaving. | ||
| It's like, OK, then I assume you have nothing behind what you're saying. | ||
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Right. | |
| And I'll tell you what else, too, because early on, he said, like, how do I win? | ||
| I said ballot harvesting. | ||
| But I got to say, man, if this, like, why would someone vote for this? | ||
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Right. | |
| That's what's already been mentioned in the Super Chats as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, someone actually said, why would I vote for a guy who's, you know, gonna act this way? | ||
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Or, like, trust nuclear codes or something. | |
| I don't know. | ||
| I haven't read it, actually. | ||
| Anna Claire's here. | ||
| Go over there. | ||
| I'm gonna be Kanye. | ||
| This is cool. | ||
| So, uh, it's Ye. | ||
| It's Ye. | ||
| Oh, sorry. | ||
| Oh my gosh. | ||
| Did I just deadname him? | ||
| Mary's here. | ||
| That's rough, man. | ||
| So what happened? | ||
| Tell me what's going on outside. | ||
| Um, so Kanye and Milo are departing. | ||
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Ye. | |
| He is gonna beat me up. | ||
| Um, so Milo and Nick and Ye are departing. | ||
| They all just caught a car. | ||
| They caught a car. | ||
| They're heading out. | ||
| They don't seem angry, but they just... Kanye specifically said that he felt as though he should have been able to keep talking. | ||
| He feels like not enough people are expressing this view, and he felt like, sorry, I just ran upstairs, I can't talk. | ||
| He felt like perhaps cutting him off was not a good move. | ||
| Milo felt like you were obstinately not getting the point that everyone in the room was getting. | ||
| They weren't explaining it. | ||
| I think that they should have stayed to explain it. | ||
| I wish they had been able to stay to explain it. | ||
| Before the show, when I said, guys, I understand you want to talk about that. | ||
| We have an opportunity to discuss this big news. | ||
| Can we talk about the news before we, and then we'll focus on what Ye 24 is and what you want to do. | ||
| But I think this is the problem with grievance politics. | ||
| Instead of being like, here's my plan for America, it's, they're the problem. | ||
| They're the ones doing this. | ||
| Who? | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Bro, tell me what your plan is. | ||
| Tell me what you want to accomplish. | ||
| Tell me exactly what your plan is, other than they're harming me, and they're bad people, and I refuse to sit and listen to anyone who would say otherwise. | ||
| Yeah, I think one of the major challenges about TimCast as a format show is that it's not an interview. | ||
| It's the thing that I love about this program, which is, like, you may be an expert in something, but what we really want is for you to come here and talk about the news with us, talk about current events. | ||
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Discuss. | |
| And while, you know, I think we're all really excited to hear more about, like, all three of these people's perspective on stuff, like, it's hard to... They can't help it. | ||
| Yeah, it's not a monologue. | ||
| They can't help it. | ||
| It's not that, it's like, hey guys, can we talk about the news before getting into how you feel behind it? | ||
| Yeah, I understand. | ||
| You guys didn't even really get into the dinner. | ||
| Because he jumps immediately into, he wants to talk about Jews. | ||
| And I'm like, are you kidding, dude? | ||
| And I said, you want to go right into that? | ||
| Fine, whatever, so be it. | ||
| But if dude can't handle a conversation about it, it's insane to me. | ||
| Look, it's reality. | ||
| I'm not sure what he was referring to that happened this morning. | ||
| He said he found out they want to put him in jail. | ||
| But what exactly does that mean? | ||
| Well, it sounds like what he was saying was he found out this morning that they're saying he owes taxes. | ||
| And that if he doesn't pay them, they're going to lock him up or something. | ||
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And then the thing that he walked out on was you asked him to clarify who you meant by they, specifically. | |
| That's pretty clear. | ||
| Oh, right. | ||
| Because I said... You were saying they as in the corporate media. | ||
| I don't use the word they the same way that you mean it. | ||
| And then he got up and he stormed out. | ||
| That's basically it. | ||
| That's crazy! | ||
| That's a shame. | ||
| I wish that you guys had gotten to have the conversation you wanted to have. | ||
| They don't want to have it. | ||
| I feel bad for the audience, honestly, because I feel like that could have been a really interesting conversation and now we're in a position where I am yay. | ||
| Who is sitting here? | ||
| I don't remember who was sitting in that seat. | ||
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Nick Fuentes. | |
| I'm Nick Fuentes, guys. | ||
| Don't we look great? | ||
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No, I mean... What do you think's gonna happen? | |
| He did say that he would be back. | ||
| Tonight? | ||
| No, not back tonight. | ||
| Maybe he'll come back on the show? | ||
| Maybe in the future at some point. | ||
| Yeah, I doubt it. | ||
| Dude, I mean, look, man, people... How did pre-show go? | ||
| What was the vibe in here beforehand? | ||
| It was fine. | ||
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It was good. | |
| And we should have just filmed the pre-show because they didn't even talk about this shit. | ||
| No, I'm swearing. | ||
| We were talking about, like, it was religious philosophy, plans for the future, and I was like, this is really interesting stuff. | ||
| I know they have these views, obviously, and people are texting me about it. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, here's what we do. | ||
| Look, all they did was remove themselves from the conversation. | ||
| They had an opportunity to explain what was going on and why, and all that happened is it seemed like Ye came in here and just went for every possible way to make himself look worse. | ||
| So what was, like, your burning question for this? | ||
| Like, you knew they would probably bring this stuff up. | ||
| You knew identity politics are definitely on the table. | ||
| Sure, sure, sure. | ||
| But that's why I was like, I want to know what happened. | ||
| Like, even before they got here, I was like, guys, we want to know about the dinner. | ||
| Like, I'm hearing a lot of rumors. | ||
| I'm hearing that, you know, what was it? | ||
| Like, Ye asked Trump to be his VP or something. | ||
| Why was Fuentes at the dinner with Trump? | ||
| What did Trump say? | ||
| Is this true? | ||
| Trump didn't know he was. | ||
| Well, he said Trump didn't know who Fuentes was. | ||
| That's what I want to understand. | ||
| What is Trump doing? | ||
| Why is everybody denouncing Trump right now? | ||
| Is this a legitimate criticism of Trump? | ||
| Apparently, now it is. | ||
| Apparently, absolutely. | ||
| The report that Trump began deriding Kim Kardashian during that dinner seemed very strange. | ||
| I have no idea why he would do that. | ||
| I feel like there's no way to know about this dinner without the three people who just left this room, which is unfortunate because that kind of dinner can affect so many people, right? | ||
| There are Americans across the country who will be affected by the conversations they had. | ||
| I would have loved to see the transparency and kind of know what's going on. | ||
| And it's unfortunate that we couldn't progress further in that conversation, | ||
| whether or not, you know, we all would have seen eye to eye during it. | ||
| I can't believe he got so mad so quick. | ||
| I am. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| Maybe he wasn't mad. | ||
| He didn't really seem mad when he was down there. | ||
| He just seemed uncomfortable. | ||
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I don't know. | |
| It's so weird. | ||
| I don't get it, man. | ||
| I just feel like he's someone who has values and it seemed like he felt like he wasn't, you know, I know he and Luke had sort of gone back and forth. | ||
| He said, you gotta let me finish my thought. | ||
| Maybe he felt like this conversation was sort of being structured in a way that wasn't letting him express himself. | ||
| It's not the format that he's used to, which is like a one-on-one. | ||
| That's what I mean by like you, I think people aren't always ready to come onto the show because you are responding to current events. | ||
| You are not being interviewed in a traditional way. | ||
| People don't get this too because we had, we've had people on the show Who end up not talking about their specialties or anything like that. | ||
| So, like, someone might do a show on video games and then come on the show and talk politics. | ||
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Right. | |
| And it's like, right, because that's what we do. | ||
| So, for example, shout out to our good friend Blair White. | ||
| Blair White pointed out that on the last show we did, she was like, actually, every time you've had me on, we've never talked about trans stuff. | ||
| And I was like, yeah, we talk current events and politics. | ||
| And you're an individual who has opinions on it. | ||
| That's what we do. | ||
| I just talk to them outside. | ||
| They're in the car. | ||
| They're leaving? | ||
| And I'm like, let's let the best idea win. | ||
| You don't owe us anything. | ||
| Let's have this conversation. | ||
| And essentially he said, you know, you don't believe in my truths. | ||
| Like, this is my truth. | ||
| You guys are denying it. | ||
| And I don't want to have this conversation. | ||
| That sounds like leftist. | ||
| That sounds like woke BS. | ||
| And I'm like, look, I disagree with you. | ||
| Like, and that's okay. | ||
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It's not the end of the world. | |
| But we invited you on knowing you. | ||
| And if you think you're right, explain it to us. | ||
| That's what I said. | ||
| I was just running up and down. | ||
| That's what I'm like disappointed by. | ||
| I wanted to hear more from each person at the table about just what they're doing and what their vision is because even if you don't agree with them, they're really interesting and they are doing some really big things. | ||
| Did he make any suggestion at all that he would come back at some point? | ||
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No. | |
| No, he's like, I don't want to have a conversation with you guys because you guys, you know, essentially don't see the bigger truth of what he has. | ||
| I'm like, those are your truths. | ||
| Defend your side and let the best idea win. | ||
| Let's at least continue the dialogue and conversation because people are going to look at you right now and they're going to say, you can't have a debate. | ||
| You can't even have a conversation. | ||
| That's what I told them. | ||
| But did Nick or Milo say anything back? | ||
| They're just kind of snickering and laughing in the back. | ||
| I'm like, we had this big opportunity right here to have this discussion, to debate it, to talk about it, and they're just like, no, it's not going to work. | ||
| I'm like, fine. | ||
| That's all right. | ||
| It is what we complain about with wokeness and grievance politics. | ||
| It's my truth. | ||
| He told me he wants to work with me on food. | ||
| And I'm like, literally, he's like, I really want to work with you on the food, but with this stuff, I'm just done. | ||
| I don't want to have this conversation. | ||
| I feel like it's hard. | ||
| It's like, I want to know what this conversation would have been. | ||
| I feel like without it, like, it's all speculation and it's a real missed opportunity, I think, for everyone involved here. | ||
| Like, even if you feel like you're gonna butt heads, we've had guests on who are definitely opposed to both of you at the table, who are definitely willing to push back on things you're saying, and like, it makes the show better. | ||
| I think it's better for everyone when you have tension in the room to a certain degree. | ||
| Raymond G. Stanley Jr. | ||
| says Nick and Milo set up yay. | ||
| Set him up for what, exactly? | ||
| To walk out of our studio. | ||
| At least he came at all. | ||
| There are a lot of leftists, I'm sure, who wouldn't have even sat at this table. | ||
| Before the show started, I was calling Milo, Lord Varys. | ||
| And he was screaming, don't call me now! | ||
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Stop it! | |
| And I'm like, okay, Lord Varys. | ||
| And there's an aspect of this that I think is worth kind of considering when it comes to the kind of setting up, the kind of larger things happening behind the scenes here that I think is worth thinking about that, you know, we sadly don't get a preview into. | ||
| Well, I had a bunch of questions, right? | ||
| So we'll talk about those questions. | ||
| I'll answer them on Kanye's behalf. | ||
| No, I think Milo is a genius. | ||
| Just because, but you know, Milo's a very, very smart guy. | ||
| And he's extremely funny. | ||
| And he's very, very witty. | ||
| And I think the most, the stupidest thing the establishment did was cancel him. | ||
| The stupidest thing Republicans did was cancel him because This is Milo's revenge. | ||
| Milo said on the show last time he was here that Trump supporters wanted revenge. | ||
| And now the narrative going around is that what's happened with Nick Fuentes at Trump's dinner and with Ye is revenge on Trump because Trump's reeling from this. | ||
| So, you know what I'll do? | ||
| Let's pull this up. | ||
| Take a look at this tweet. | ||
| We'll get some segments out of this. | ||
| Igor Bobik. | ||
| He is a, what is he, senior politics reporter, Huffington Post. | ||
| You know we love Huffington Post. | ||
| He says, GOP Senator Thune on Trump, Fuentes dinner. | ||
| That's just a bad idea on every level. | ||
| Then he's got, what is it, Frank Thorpe, we cannot tolerate antisemitism. | ||
| It's bad, says Cornyn, blunt. | ||
| I've been tired about responding about what President Trump did. | ||
| I wouldn't want to have dinner with either of those guys. | ||
| Ernst, I think it's ridiculous. | ||
| The point is, every single Republican is now coming after Trump over having done this. | ||
| And Milo's the one who connected it. | ||
| So I'd love to ask Milo, you said years ago that you wanted revenge over the treatment that you received after being cancelled. | ||
| Is this it? | ||
| He's such an interesting figure for a lot of reasons, but it's hard not to think in the years that they canceled him, sent him back, he just sort of became more powerful and is now acting on some sort of master plan. | ||
| I mean, this candidacy, Kanye's potential run for president is disruptive to the party. | ||
| It is the same way that any third party candidate entering a race can siphon off votes. | ||
| We don't know what will happen. | ||
| I think to respond to my good conservative friends who are messaging me like, Tim, don't have these people on. | ||
| They're bad people. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I think you should all invite them on. | ||
| about if Kanye moves forward, what happens with the Santas? | ||
| They really do control a lot of the narrative right now, and I think a lot of that is to Milo's credit. | ||
| I think to respond to my good conservative friends who are messaging me like, | ||
| Tim, don't have these people on, they're bad people. No, no, no. I think you should all | ||
| invite them on. Because I think if anything is bad for their ideas, it's exactly what just happened. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And yeah, when he first came here, was sincerely asking, like, hey, how do I become president of the United States? | ||
| I'm like, we're not politicians. | ||
| We're not, you know, advisors here. | ||
| But, you know, we gave him some answers. | ||
| But he was asking that question a lot. | ||
| It does seem like it's something that he seriously wants to, you know, do. | ||
| Talking to Milo, Milo was like, you know, we can't say certain things because of the FCC. | ||
| But, you know, this is what we're, you know, kind of essentially How is it that we basically had an hour conversation in this room, the pre-show, as we're getting camera and lighting corrected, and it had nothing to do with any of that stuff? | ||
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Right. | |
| Talking about religion, talking about philosophy, talking about, you know, what it means for a potential campaign if they have one. | ||
| And I'm like, this is cool stuff. | ||
| This is going to be a good conversation. | ||
| And then the first thing in five minutes, he's like, I want to talk about Jews. | ||
| I mean, do you think it's like the first thing out the bat? | ||
| I'm like, come on. | ||
| Was it on purpose? | ||
| Do you think it's that some people come into interviews knowing, like, they're going to they're going to ask me about this? | ||
| Because I'm sure, Kanye or Ye, I'm so bad at this. | ||
| But I'm sure a lot of people go into interviews, especially when you're that big a figure with a target on your back, thinking like some journalist is going to sit here and get me comfortable and then hit me with one of these questions that makes me look bad. | ||
| I think in some ways it must be at the forefront of your mind going into an interview like this is the topic that everyone actually wants me to talk about. | ||
| I don't even think you were going to ask about that. | ||
| I didn't think you were either. | ||
| About what stuff? | ||
| About his views on Jewish power. | ||
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You were going to mainly ask about the news. | |
| I had a bunch of people say to me, Tim, you need to denounce them right off the bat. | ||
| And I was like, oh, that's so tired. | ||
| Like, bro, anybody who watches my show and who's honest knows that I don't care for identitarianism, racism, antisemitism. | ||
| But Kanye West is one of the most influential guys on the planet. | ||
| He's got people who genuinely love and respect him. | ||
| And he's got a bunch of ideas pertaining to what it means to run for president, what he wants to do, and why he thinks he's the best. | ||
| So I'm gonna talk to him about that. | ||
| And then I said, even before the show, I was like, who are we kidding, guys? | ||
| I know this is gonna come up, but, you know, we'll talk about it. | ||
| And they were like, we get it, we get it. | ||
| Well, I think they never even signed the portraits. | ||
| I think it's kind of like when they're skipping protocol. | ||
| No, it reminds me of the times that we've had Marjorie Taylor Greene on, right? | ||
| Some people will hear that you're having her on and say, you can't do that. | ||
| She's controversial. | ||
| She does bad things. | ||
| I don't like her. | ||
| And ultimately, Especially if you have some kind of tension against someone, hearing them out and getting their perspective is the best way to form your opinion accurately. | ||
| And often, especially I've known with Marjorie Taylor Crean, we've had people be like, I just sort of wrote you off because of all the headlines about you. | ||
| But getting to hear your side and getting to your perspective has really altered my view. | ||
| Maybe it doesn't make you a fan, maybe it does make you a fan. | ||
| Hold on, like all the media that are like, de-platform, de-platform, it's like, was that not a good display of the depth of their ideology? | ||
| None. | ||
| Unable to withstand five minutes of questions. | ||
| I wasn't mean. | ||
| I did not insult him. | ||
| We talked beforehand, and I was like, well, what do you mean by that? | ||
| I don't, you know, I don't use the word they the way you mean. | ||
| I'm talking about like, and he just gets up and walks out. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Like, he doesn't want to hear what I have to say about my ideas, but I have to sit here and listen to him. | ||
| You know, you know what I think, man? | ||
| There's a reason why Ye is who he is. | ||
| They say that celebrities All of them tend to have some degree of narcissism. | ||
| They feel that they should be seen by everybody, and thus, they end up putting themselves out more, which increases the likelihood of fame and notoriety. | ||
| Yours truly included. | ||
| I don't think I'm exempt for any of this stuff. | ||
| I'm sitting here pointing a camera at my face, talking to it all the time, and I talk a whole lot. | ||
| But I think Ye is a guy who has risen to this position because he's assertive and because he's willing to do something like that. | ||
| Imagine you're talking to a guy who's got a billion dollar shoe empire and you know that if you say the wrong thing he's out and you've lost everything. | ||
| Yeah, he owns the conversation. | ||
| He does. | ||
| So that works for him in business. | ||
| Does not work for him in politics. | ||
| You're not going to get a single vote if you're going to storm out and not do anything for anybody. | ||
| You know, there's a lot of things to kind of break down and talk about here. | ||
| I have my own theories and assertions, and if you guys don't go along with it, I'm like, yeah, that's totally cool. | ||
| That's totally fine. | ||
| It's not the end of the day. | ||
| But I think it's also fair to say that he's going through a tremendous amount of pressure, a lot of stress. | ||
| And I think when he was, you know, institutionalized and drugged in 2016, I think there might be still, you know, I again, I don't know here, I'm speculating, maybe some larger effects here, maybe he still hasn't recovered from that, you know, SSRIs and was it lithium that he was talking about, you know, those drugs have have a severe effect on you and could affect your decision making. | ||
| So, you know, Well, I don't want to discredit him with that, like the mental health stuff, because a lot of people have said that you can't listen to anything Ye says because he's mentally ill, or he's off his meds, all of that stuff is just ad hominem. | ||
| I think, you know, he's a 45-year-old man, he's extremely influential, powerful, he can make his own decisions, and I think that he made the wrong one tonight by walking out. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| I'm just saying that this deserves also... Your life is really weird, Tim. | ||
| You guys are here, too. | ||
| Don't look at me. | ||
| It's weird for all of us. | ||
| I really wish that they had signed the portraits. | ||
| It really hurts me, my perfectionist brain. | ||
| Well, what can you do? | ||
| But it's not that they were off the meds. | ||
| It's that they were forcefully put on the meds. | ||
| And when you look at a lot of people that are forcefully drugged, you do see a lot of long-term negative consequences and actions. | ||
| Again, I'm not trying to excuse anything, but I think it's worth a discussion. | ||
| Especially when it comes to this Harley Pasternak individual, the larger effects of this, the threats that were being made against him, the pressure he talked about, you know, going through a particular difficult—before the show began—a difficult situation with the divorce and custody with children. | ||
| So, yeah, tremendous amount of pressure and stress. | ||
| No excuses for anything. | ||
| Hey, let's debate these conversations. | ||
| Let's debate these ideas. | ||
| Clearly, that didn't happen. | ||
| Clearly, he wasn't ready. | ||
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Some people are saying the whole thing was planned. | |
| I feel like him walking out or that you wanted him to walk out. | ||
| Did they have a car ready? | ||
| No. | ||
| They were in the truck. | ||
| They were waiting for the car. | ||
| No, they didn't have a car ready. | ||
| I mean, I honestly, you know, as much as I want this conversation, I want it for the | ||
| company and I want it for the audience. | ||
| I have a piece of, like, I have some respect for someone who's like, look, I'm done. | ||
| I think so often we are in a culture that demands people continue to talk all the time, and if you don't want to, you don't have to. | ||
| I am just sad that we didn't get to hear what happened at Mar-a-Lago. | ||
| I am sad that we didn't get to hear more of these perspectives, because this is such an interesting trio of people, and it was worth hearing. | ||
| It is worth knowing, because all we can do now is speculate. | ||
| Imagine sitting down with Trump, too, right? | ||
| Trump, he's walked out on some, but I don't think he would walk out like that. | ||
| Yeah, I wanna hear his version of events of what happened here. | ||
| Let's bring him on and find out. | ||
| Yeah, Trump, you gotta come on now because... There's also a lot of other reports saying that he was screaming at that particular dinner with Nick there, that there was a big argument, that there was yelling. | ||
| That was the point of bringing these guys on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not to, like, have him opine on his thoughts about an entire body of people that everyone's already heard before. | ||
| That's the crazy thing. | ||
| He, like, likened this to a Lex Fridman interview. | ||
| It's like, bro, we're not here to talk to you about that. | ||
| We're here to talk to you about your plans, man. | ||
| I told him this before the show, and I say this, you know, I don't think Ye's crazy. | ||
| Some people are like, maybe he's bipolar. | ||
| It's like, dude, we were talking to him before the show. | ||
| He was of complete sound mind. | ||
| He's just emotional. | ||
| Like, would you do something different? | ||
| Like, you led off tonight with a story about Mar-a-Lago. | ||
| Would you have led off with something else? | ||
| I'm just curious, because then you're introducing our format. | ||
| This is why I think, you know, someone super chatted saying they think that this thing was staged, a publicity stunt, because walking out generates more press, because it gives the press something to write about. | ||
| If they didn't storm off, the press would have been like, here are a few things they said. | ||
| But by storming off, now there's a story about, yay, just throwing up and leaving, and that generates press. | ||
| So it's like, But it's not positive press if you're looking for political credibility. | ||
| I think that part of the reason he walked out and he's this emotionally stressed out right now is because he has the soul of an artist and not of a politician, and that's usually a good thing, actually. | ||
| Well, if there's one thing we know from Milo, he understands that any press is good press, and he kind of utilizes that to his personal benefit. | ||
| I don't know, maybe he thought if there was a debate, maybe things wouldn't have not looked as good here, and I don't know. | ||
| I don't think this is staged. | ||
| I mean, I think we knew going in that we were going to have Five enormous personalities in this room. | ||
| Serge, I'm sorry about that one, buddy, but you're much more low-key. | ||
| And that anyone was bound to become more tense. | ||
| It's just, it was a question of how this dynamic would play out, and I'm, again, sorry that it played out this way, because it leaves so many questions on the table. | ||
| I just don't want to speculate about mental health or the effect of pills, or I don't believe this was staged, but like, whatever happened, I just think that it would have been an interesting conversation. | ||
| Do you think you want to ask him to come back? | ||
| At some point in the future? | ||
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No. | |
| Not tonight. | ||
| I'm not gonna ask him to come back, dude. | ||
| He doesn't owe me anything. | ||
| He doesn't have to sit on my show. | ||
| He can leave whenever he wants. | ||
| So, let's be candid. | ||
| Before the show, I get a bunch of people saying, like, are you crazy? | ||
| Don't—the conservatives. | ||
| Don't host these people. | ||
| They're trolls. | ||
| They're anti-Semite. | ||
| How could you platform them? | ||
| There's Republicans saying, like, we don't believe in platforming these people. | ||
| And I'm like, oh, okay, like when Antifa showed up to Ann Coulter's thing. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| That was more violent. | ||
| But dude, don't tell me about deplatforming people that are in the news on a big story, because that means nothing to me. | ||
| Why are they there? | ||
| Why are they meeting with Trump? | ||
| I want to know. | ||
| And if you don't want to know, that's on you. | ||
| But I don't take this whole deplatforming thing. | ||
| That being said, right now you've got people saying, Tim, you screwed up, it's your fault. | ||
| Then I've got people saying, wow, he's a crybaby. | ||
| I've got people saying, you handed it masterfully. | ||
| Masterfully, I've got people saying, you did a miserable job, why didn't you? | ||
| You played it wrong. | ||
| I don't care, guys. | ||
| There's nothing I can do. | ||
| I am who I am. | ||
| Before the show, people were like, have you been preparing? | ||
| Have you been doing research? | ||
| And I'm like, what does that mean? | ||
| Like, all I know is, I told them what the show is. | ||
| I told them what the plan is. | ||
| I said, if you want to talk about that stuff, we should probably save it closer to the end, because we want to talk about the news. | ||
| It's what we do on this show. | ||
| Ye didn't want to do it. | ||
| He doesn't have to do it. | ||
| He doesn't owe me anything. | ||
| He's a rich guy. | ||
| He can do whatever he wants. | ||
| He got up and he left. | ||
| So be it. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| That's what it is. | ||
| So your ultimate goal for this conversation was to talk about Mar-a-Lago. | ||
| Did you feel like at any point today you got any information or any insight into how that dinner went? | ||
| Well, we know Ye said Trump didn't know Fuentes. | ||
| I think that's significant. | ||
| I mean, that basically threw Trump a life raft. | ||
| Trump was reeling from this, being accused of all of these things, and now Ye basically came out and confirmed, actually Trump didn't know who he was, I brought him there. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| I thought Milo set it up. | ||
| Yeah, he's like, no, that was me. | ||
| And then I got in touch with Milo and Milo brought this guy and Trump didn't know who it was. | ||
| I'm like, oh, okay. | ||
| So, well, okay then. | ||
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All right. | |
| Maybe that's why they didn't want me to do the show with them because they were going to realize that Trump actually wasn't at fault. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| Does it change your opinion of like, I know you've been following kind of speculation about that dinner and speculation about, uh, Ye's campaign. | ||
| I keep on calling him the wrong name. | ||
| Does it, does this change, like how you feel about this as a potential influence on 2024? | ||
| You know what, man? | ||
| I've heard a lot of people say that Ye could win. | ||
| And for a lot of reasons. | ||
| Like I mentioned, because he's a celebrity and regular people know and like him. | ||
| But not if that's, that's not presidential. | ||
| Ye's a lot of things. | ||
| He's a smart guy. | ||
| They say he's crazy. | ||
| I'm gonna tell you, we were downstairs calmly discussing things. | ||
| The dude is not crazy. | ||
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Definitely not. | |
| Emotional, maybe arrogant, sure. | ||
| A lot of high profile people are. | ||
| You can accuse me of that, I'm sure. | ||
| And I think what happened now is a display of, he doesn't need anything from me. | ||
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Right. | |
| He doesn't. | ||
| And so if he doesn't get what he wants, he's done. | ||
| So what do you think of the role of celebrities in American politics? | ||
| Like, obviously we've had, when Trump ran for office, this is like how most Americans knew him, right? | ||
| He was the celebrity apprentice. | ||
| He was a TV host. | ||
| Like, do we think there is a market in American politics for people who have influence but are not necessarily trained | ||
| politicians? | ||
| I just want to add this comment because we were talking about this when it was just the | ||
| the it was just me, you, um, Ye, and I think uh Cassandra and he talked about specifically | ||
| how Donald Trump was like the Michael Jordan of politics because he he he uh he changed | ||
| the NBA and made it something totally different. | ||
| it. | ||
| And he was specifically referring to how the political game has been changed, how it is totally different, how it's not just, you know, predominantly obeying and worshiping a certain political politician that changes his tone when he's with a certain group So I think it's going to be interesting to see how this future campaign is going to be unfolding, because right now it doesn't look promising. | ||
| I don't know if any campaign will unfold. | ||
| That's yet to be seen. | ||
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Well, that's not from, you know, the information we got from... I want to give a shout out to Danny Polishchuk. | |
| Am I pronouncing your name wrong? | ||
| Danny. | ||
| We've had him on the show before. | ||
| He's a good dude. | ||
| He's funny. | ||
| He says, crazy that the one thing Kanye has been talking about for two months somehow got brought up on the show. | ||
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I know. | |
| We never could have expected it. | ||
| I don't know what we were thinking. | ||
| Yeah, we knew. | ||
| We knew exactly what was going to come up. | ||
| And I told them outright. | ||
| I literally said to them, like, if you guys want to bring that stuff up, I'm not going to sit there and let you just say whatever you want. | ||
| And they're like, we know, we know, we know. | ||
| And I was like, who am I kidding? | ||
| It's going to come up. | ||
| But we have an opportunity to talk about the news. | ||
| And they're like, right, right, okay. | ||
| Yeah, he didn't want to do it. | ||
| No, it's on him. | ||
| I feel like people levy against you. | ||
| Sometimes they'll call you anti-Semitic or they'll call you far-right. | ||
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Me? | |
| Yeah, I feel like people level... Well, they call you negative things. | ||
| Like, how do you deal with it? | ||
| If someone was in an interview and was like... There's a news outlet that tried calling me alt-right and had issued an apology and a retraction. | ||
| So you go after them. | ||
| They were like, Tim Pool, who is mixed race, is not alt-right. | ||
| We apologize for those statements. | ||
| So is that generally like if you're in an interview and someone's starting to kind of push back against you like is what's your protocol? | ||
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For what? | |
| Like if someone accuses me of something that it's not true or whatever? | ||
| Yeah or is like you often talk about this and we don't agree with it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| You just let it go? | ||
| What am I supposed to say? | ||
| Like, I think it's funny. | ||
| Gizmodo reported May of, I think it was like 2018, that conservatives were being censored on Facebook. | ||
| And so then I'm on Twitter like, wow, look at this, conservatives are being censored on Facebook. | ||
| And they're like, Tim Pool falsely believes conservatives are being censored on Facebook. | ||
| And I'm like, wait, what? | ||
| Yo, I believe what I believe. | ||
| I said that the Kyle Rittenhouse story was one of the things that convinced me to vote for Donald Trump, because I saw how insane things were getting, and this was so extremely dire. | ||
| And it was, you know, a lot of factors. | ||
| And then I get the media reporting, like, negatively that I said that. | ||
| I'm like, I don't care if you view it negatively. | ||
| I literally said that. | ||
| Trump pinned the tweet to his page. | ||
| It mattered to me. | ||
| You know, if it matters to me, I'll talk about it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think, like, the thing that I've always known from being around you is, like, you... There's protests in China. | ||
| Is that because of you? | ||
| There's a lot of protests in China. | ||
| Because of this? | ||
| We're so influential! | ||
| Let's go! | ||
| No? | ||
| They're just, like, fact-checking you everywhere. | ||
| We're gonna put you on The View, Hannah. | ||
| You better stop right now. | ||
| I don't like this at all. | ||
| No, I mean, what about you, Luke? | ||
| I feel like people push back on you all the time. | ||
| Have you ever walked out of an interview? | ||
| No. | ||
| But again, if you're going to say some crazy stuff, be prepared to back it up. | ||
| Have some facts. | ||
| You're going to make some claims. | ||
| Back it up. | ||
| Let's have a debate. | ||
| Let's have a conversation. | ||
| Let the best idea win. | ||
| That didn't happen today, and that just sucks. | ||
| Yeah, you know what, man? | ||
| He reacted as if you led the interview like, so you're anti-semitic. | ||
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I know, he kind of set it up himself from the very beginning. | |
| He's like, I don't know if we should do this. | ||
| I'm just going to do this. | ||
| And I'm like, why are you setting this up this way? | ||
| There was no setup. | ||
| To be fair, his setup. | ||
| I probably should have said, I probably should have been like, yay, I hear you, man. | ||
| I respect the story you're getting to. | ||
| You want to hold off on that for a little bit. | ||
| Maybe we'll talk about the news and then we can bring this stuff up. | ||
| He probably would have been like, all right. | ||
| I feel like there was a semantic issue here when you used the term they, and then we had everyone sit up and be like, can we use the English language? | ||
| Let's just keep going with the conversation here, team. | ||
| Let's keep moving on. | ||
| Who do I mean by they? | ||
| We should have been like, no! | ||
| No! | ||
| As soon as he said, I shouldn't do this. | ||
| Like, yes, you shouldn't. | ||
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Stop. | |
| Wait. | ||
| Now, wait, we're going to be talking about this. | ||
| Let's hold on. | ||
| This is work. | ||
| At this time, we usually go to super chats. | ||
| Right before that, I'll give you a nod and you can go and do whatever you need to talk about. | ||
| No, but then it would have, we would have, like, I would, like, there's things that I need to bring up and other people need to bring up that that's counter to some of their ideas that need to be talked about. | ||
| He didn't want to have a conversation. | ||
| He thought he was gonna come in here and be able to say whatever he wanted, uninterrupted and unimpeded, and no one would question him. | ||
| That's just not the real world. | ||
| Sorry, man. | ||
| I think Ye is a very smart guy. | ||
| And you know what's sad? | ||
| I said too. | ||
| Look, man, I get all that stuff, like the Fridman stuff. | ||
| It's stupid to keep bringing that up. | ||
| I had people call me, and they were like, Tim, the first thing you gotta do when you start this show is denounce anti-Semitism. | ||
| And I was like, oh, that's so dumb. | ||
| It's so tired. | ||
| And we talked about it and they were like, you think Ye's gonna be happy that you're coming out right away and being like, I denounce what you say. | ||
| And I'm like, everybody knows what he said. | ||
| Anybody honest knows I think it's bad. | ||
| I don't agree with him on it. | ||
| We need to talk about other things. | ||
| And you know what I said, I wanna talk about how you've succeeded in business. | ||
| Because we were talking earlier and one of the people who work here said, Ye's been able to go into every industry that's rejected him and flip it on its head and sort of take over. | ||
| And I'm like, I wanna hear that. | ||
| I wanna hear how it is that he's so influential. | ||
| It doesn't happen. | ||
| So it's like... It's not every personality who can do that. | ||
| Look, I've been to Antifa protests. | ||
| I was at Occupy Wall Street. | ||
| Luke was there, too. | ||
| This is the mentality that we have consistently argued against. | ||
| This is the same, like, you know, for the people who are fans of the show, how many people have stormed off the show? | ||
| I'm not gonna bring up these individuals, but y'all know. | ||
| It's not people who hold logical, classical, liberal views, who believe in meritocracy, or who believe in having a good idea. | ||
| It's people who emotionally believe a singular group of people are the cause of their problems. | ||
| They can't handle a discussion about it. | ||
| When you ask someone a question, I'll put it this way. | ||
| If someone doesn't have an answer to an ideology they assert, they typically retreat to an emotional response. | ||
| It's a defense mechanism. | ||
| I'm hurt by this person. | ||
| How did they hurt you? | ||
| How dare you deny my truth? | ||
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A logical person says, well, they robbed my house. | |
| Is there a big difference between someone pointing to all white males being responsible for their problems to what other people making those statements as well? | ||
| Is there a big difference? | ||
| I don't think so as well. | ||
| I also feel partly responsible for this because I told Cassandra to get Kanye on the show. | ||
| I was responsible for the other guests that also there was almost a fistfight here with. | ||
| Leonard, bringing the controversy everywhere he goes. | ||
| Listen here, you want to be Hannah Montana. | ||
| What? | ||
| I feel responsible, so I apologize. | ||
| It's all my fault. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| I'm sorry to the audience members for bringing this. | ||
| Sorry for party rocking. | ||
| My Twitter DMs are lighting up right now from a bunch of high profile people that are commenting like they just destroyed themselves. | ||
| Like, It doesn't look good. | ||
| They did not defend their ideas. | ||
| They couldn't handle... Here's the thing, I'm getting criticized because they're like, Tim, why were you letting them say those things? | ||
| They barely pushed back. | ||
| They got like 10 words out. | ||
| No! | ||
| They were on for 12 minutes. | ||
| 27. | ||
| 27, that's true. | ||
| I don't think it was 27. | ||
| That's a good number. | ||
| I like that number. | ||
| Honestly, that's the mark. | ||
| Donald Trump, if you come on and can make it to 28, you win. | ||
| Set the new record. | ||
| We'll take it. | ||
| You can do it. | ||
| 29, we basically let you stay in town this year. | ||
| No, but I think that's one of the best things that could have happened in this scenario. | ||
| If it was inevitable, if we were doomed to have them lock out, I don't believe it was Sage. | ||
| The best thing that you could have offered them was a platform. | ||
| That dinner is so interesting. | ||
| So many people want to know what happened. | ||
| And so many people want to hear from them. | ||
| This is a chance to get that side. | ||
| And it was presented to them. | ||
| You platformed them for them to be themselves. | ||
| But the truth is, it's true what Tim said. | ||
| They don't need this platform. | ||
| They could have used it to their advantage nonetheless, but they didn't need this platform. | ||
| He could have gone on any social media and said what he needed to say about this dinner. | ||
| But it's specifically the format that it's a conversation that matters, and yet the expectation was a monologue? | ||
| Well, and it's the news. | ||
| Like, that was one of the things I was really excited about was to, like, have you pull up the stories about, like, what's going on with the World Cup and hearing, you know, Ye respond to them. | ||
| Because again, if he is I'm sorry to do this. | ||
| I don't know a ton about his positions on things, so it really would have been interesting to hear someone who is potentially pursuing the office like that give his perspective because I'm sure they're interesting. | ||
| Kanye is a really interesting person. | ||
| He's a really unique thinker and I think that that is what we are all excited about tonight. | ||
| We just want to know how Like, when Ye reads the news, how does he come out of it the other side? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I'm reading the chat. | ||
| Leonard's smirking over here. | ||
| I don't know what's happening. | ||
| I'm reading the chat room right now. | ||
| Every time I read the chat, I have a great time. | ||
| Most of the time I'm on this show, I'm usually snickering in the corner here reading all the chats. | ||
| We don't see about Lewis is like he has three different screens up and you can see the chat going on one of them. | ||
| I got an idea for a segment. | ||
| What is it? Oh, we're still doing news? Yeah, hold on. We're still rolling. Let me see if I can find this story. | ||
| You're doing great, buddy. Hold on, hold on. Give me a second. You guys talk about stuff while I google, | ||
| while I search for something. Hannibal Lecter, go ahead. | ||
| Yeah, so I'm gonna sit here and present my own thought. | ||
| I think we should have another three guest show. | ||
| I think that, of course, we should have Lucas here back, but then we should have Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and Taylor Swift. | ||
| I know that's important to all of you. | ||
| It's important to me. | ||
| I like to have a diverse tech perspective. | ||
| That would be an amazing chemistry. | ||
| I just really feel like we could all learn something about the cross-section of American culture. | ||
| I think that Taylor and Elon would have some beautiful babies. | ||
| Do you think he's asked her? | ||
| We got a segment for First Thing Tomorrow Morning from Breitbart.com. | ||
| Kanye, canceled by Kanye, walks out of Tim Pool interview and asks to defend his anti-Semitism. | ||
| I mean the bias is evident. But like here's the crazy thing about it. I was like letting him speak | ||
| about it. I said okay if that's what... so some people are like Tim you know you should you should | ||
| have just let him speak and Tim only wanted to talk about Trump because Trump's a safe subject | ||
| and he was scared about being banned and I'm like we said okay we're gonna talk about it. | ||
| Right. Let him start talking about it. See we also... You also were like defend your anti-semitism. | ||
| That wasn't what you asked me to do. No no no it would have been a... | ||
| It would have been a conversation that would have exchanged different ideas. | ||
| There were different ideas coming from different points of view here that obviously would have clashed. | ||
| The audience could have decided which idea is better. | ||
| Me and Tim were sitting here with some of, let's be honest here, some of the smartest, most intelligent, most We came here for that conversation. | ||
| in the entire political, social industry, and we were ready to have a conversation. | ||
| We were ready to challenge our beliefs, their beliefs, and to come up with a discourse. | ||
| We came here for that conversation, the other side left. | ||
| And I don't get it though. | ||
| I don't get it. | ||
| See, that's what I think the thing is. | ||
| I think the accusation of being anti-semitic is so radioactive that it puts everyone involved on the defensive. | ||
| Both the people who want to respond to the accusation and the people who are levying the accusation. | ||
| And I can only imagine in Connie's position that you are, or in Ye's position, I am so sorry Ye. | ||
| that you are tense to be prepared to respond to it because you are on the defensive all the time. | ||
| And I wanna shout out, hey, Greg, Greg Price, you're wrong. | ||
| He says, Ye got up and left the TimCast studio less than 10 minutes into the show. | ||
| Not true. | ||
| You tweeted it at 8.25, bro. | ||
| The show went live at 7.59. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| It's 26 minutes, 25 on the clock, but it is what it is. | ||
| I thought we were gonna have that conversation, and I thought Ye wanted to actually defend his position on it. | ||
| Yeah, that's what I was hoping for. | ||
| If you're going to make some claims, back it up. | ||
| What would you have liked to have heard from him? | ||
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How would you have liked him to present it? | |
| We had Bannon on, and Bannon knows that if you question the 2020 election, YouTube gives you a strike. | ||
| But he also knows I don't agree with him on it. | ||
| And so he like, it was funny, because he like, he knows. | ||
| And he looks over at Lydia, and he's like, I can say that, can't I? | ||
| And then he starts, you know, talking about Donald Trump and fraud and stuff. | ||
| And I was like, dude, now you brought up, we're gonna talk about it. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| And Bannon entertained the conversation of me disagreeing with him. | ||
| Bannon's a savvy, smart guy. | ||
| I think the first time we had him on, and he and I argued about the election, I said Trump got anti-elected because people assumed that Biden's approval rating, the enthusiasm for Biden was so low he couldn't possibly win, but somehow did. | ||
| And I said, but did you look at the polls showing enthusiasm against Trump? | ||
| It was higher than enthusiasm for Trump, according to some pollsters. | ||
| And then Bannon was like, yeah, I like that. | ||
| He was anti-elected. | ||
| Yeah, interesting. | ||
| That's very good. | ||
| How often do you have a guest on whose views are difficult to talk about on YouTube? | ||
| Because I, especially with all the vaccine stuff, I feel like we've had some where it's just, it's just hard to talk about it. | ||
| Like, I remember we had the Surgeon General on from Florida. | ||
| But he said everything he needed. | ||
| He was a government official. | ||
| But, you know, Ye had two people in his corner that are working with him that are also, how do I say this, Master debaters that could talk about these subjects. | ||
| You're 12. | ||
| I just want to know you're 12 years old. | ||
| That have been talking about these subjects for years and, of course, are ready to debate them. | ||
| So he had people in his corner that were here with him, for him, ready to have his side. | ||
| There was three against two when it came to this conversation. | ||
| Do you wish that you guys had gotten like more time to talk to Nick or more time to talk to Milo? | ||
| Oh yeah, absolutely. | ||
| Milo was really interesting when he was on the show and some people have said it's like one of the, like some high profile individuals reached out and said that was one of the best shows I've ever seen. | ||
| It's really interesting to hear his thoughts. | ||
| Someone pointed out, Robert Spencer in Super Chat said, Milo is purposely making Ye look bad because he really wants Trump to win. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
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Hmm. | |
| Do you think I don't understand? | ||
| I don't understand that. | ||
| I don't really think that's how he operates. | ||
| This like, I, sorry, interrupt. | ||
| I thought, like with them getting Fuentes invited to the Trump dinner. | ||
| That was, like, really bad for Trump. | ||
| He's getting, like, every Republican coming out against him. | ||
| Like, they seriously caused harm to Trump. | ||
| If Milo wanted revenge, that was it. | ||
| This negated all of that. | ||
| Ye came out and said, nope, Trump didn't know who Fuentes was. | ||
| Milo's the one who invited him. | ||
| Okay, so Trump's in the clear now. | ||
| So now I have no idea what their plan was. | ||
| Maybe just trolling, fun, notoriety, you know? | ||
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It might all get overshadowed, unfortunately. | |
| All of that information might get overshadowed. | ||
| Who knows? | ||
| Do you think the Ye campaign could meet the filing requirements to run for president? | ||
| Like, right now it's a hypothetical. | ||
| There's nothing in documentation, right? | ||
| We don't have a paper trail of an informal campaign. | ||
| I'm genuinely confused by whatever it is they're trying to accomplish, to be completely honest. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Just trolling or something? | ||
| So what do you think's the best outcome from this? | ||
| This, you know, look, if you're someone who disagrees with their views, I think they just shoved their face into the mud. | ||
| Like, I didn't even, yo, come on. | ||
| I've got people criticizing me saying I didn't push back hard enough and I shouldn't have let him say those things. | ||
| But then there's also the framing that you're, like, the hero that asked him to defend his anti-Semitism. | ||
| Like, choose a framing, right? | ||
| Also, neither of those things are true, though. | ||
| Not even a quarter of the way through the show. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Like, at least give Tim a chance! | ||
| Yeah, let's let some rapport develop. | ||
| I mean, they tried to do just that in the pre-show, but it didn't work. | ||
| I'm sorry, Serge. | ||
| We did, in fact, get through a quarter. | ||
| My false reporting. | ||
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This is real life, man. | |
| Yeah, I don't like people who blame their problems on groups of people. | ||
| Like, when Occupy Wall Street did it with the 1%, I said, I mentioned this earlier, like, you've got wealthy individuals backing you. | ||
| You've got, obviously, people who blame Jewish people, you've got people who blame white people, and I'm like, man, stop blaming everybody else for your problem and roll up your sleeves and chop some lumber, work hard. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| You know, I was mentioning this earlier, I talked to a, I was talking to a woke dude, years ago and he said people don't understand what it's like growing up being like a brown-skinned like hispanic dude in this country where all the billboards and everything are white people every move you see is white people who am i supposed to look up to so we look up to people in other countries we look to people who look like us and my response was i think it's unfortunate that you need that you see race as a thing you need is a requirement for what you need to look up to but i do understand you have a family | ||
| Every day you see your dad. | ||
| You look up to your dad. | ||
| He looks like you. | ||
| You look like him. | ||
| But then you look at what the country is promoting, and none of these people look anything like you. | ||
| So I can certainly get that. | ||
| I hear you. | ||
| But the reality is, there may be dominant groups in every country. | ||
| In China, white supremacy is meaningless. | ||
| It's Chinese. | ||
| If you're a Uighur Muslim, you're in serious trouble. | ||
| It ain't the white people oppressing you. | ||
| In the United States, the majority of the country is white and Christian. | ||
| But you can succeed and you can become a billionaire. | ||
| Ye did it. | ||
| And then when he encounters problems with it, he decided the problem was Jewish people. | ||
| I'm like, I think it's particular individuals who have it out for you, bro. | ||
| Like, bro, the Jewish people who work at this company have literally nothing to do with Ye's troubles. | ||
| Is that what he said? | ||
| That was how he ultimately viewed his problems? | ||
| Yes, because I was like, I said, what about Bezos? | ||
| What about Shane Smith? | ||
| What about Elon? | ||
| And they're like, oh, they all work for Jewish people. | ||
| And I'm like, what? | ||
| Bill Gates? | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| I'm sorry, dude. | ||
| I can't buy that. | ||
| Vice is a great example. | ||
| I said this, if you really believe that, I think this might've been before the show, I was like, how do you explain my show? | ||
| And he said, because God is on our side. | ||
| Like, what dude? | ||
| Like, you can't say that if someone is against me, it's a specific group of people, and if we're winning, it's because God is here with us. | ||
| Either you as an individual, regardless of race, gender, orientation, identity, can succeed, or you think everyone is underneath the boot of some group of people. | ||
| So what role do you think identitarian thinking has on the American public? | ||
| Because I do think the points about like we isolate certain racial votes, we use them as blocks to win. | ||
| Identity politics and identitarianism aren't necessarily the same, they overlap. | ||
| Identitarianism is government based on identity. | ||
| So I should be careful about how I say that and I should probably try to clarify better. | ||
| If you think that You are inhibited in any way, or I should say, if you believe it is impossible because of your identity, then it is a disservice. | ||
| You are being lied to. | ||
| There are people I know from the Philippines who are wealthier. | ||
| Actually, I think it's like Filipino immigrants make like 90k to 120k on average in the United States. | ||
| It's not the race of the individual. | ||
| It is their perseverance, their willingness to work really, really hard. | ||
| I think the problem with identitarianism or identity grievance politics is that you start to believe you can't succeed because of immutable characteristics, seek to blame another group of people, and then you get chaos and violence. | ||
| And that's what we see with, you know, from Occupy to the Antifa to the BLM stuff. | ||
| Black Lives Matter going on protesting calling black people white supremacists. | ||
| I'm like, you see where the ideology is bankrupt? | ||
| So you get Candace Owens, who's a black woman who has conservative opinions, and they call her a white supremacist. | ||
| It's like, okay, your race-based politics are bankrupt. | ||
| That makes no sense to me. | ||
| They claim that Luke, being Polish, is a person of color, and we joke about it all the time because Luke is a white, blue-eyed, blonde-haired man. | ||
| Hey, my people's struggles are real. | ||
| But there's a problem with generalizations. | ||
| There's always exceptions to the rules. | ||
| And I think when you speak in over generalizations, whether you're blaming one particular race or all particular white men for your problems, you're just being intellectually lazy. | ||
| I think there could be a real discussion to be had on a lot of very powerful people, on a lot of very bad people. | ||
| But once you just start making lazy generalizations, you hurt yourself and you hurt the major claims that you're making, because you're also going after innocent people. | ||
| You're also going after people who have nothing to do with your ills or your problems. | ||
| You're going after people who, of course, aren't the source of your problem, and you're just pointing fingers at them, which is not fair. | ||
| Mary's gonna walk out. | ||
| This is why the conversation with Kanye needed to occur, because I don't necessarily think that he is just making lazy generalizations to blame a group of people for his problems. | ||
| His problems are not ordinary problems that ordinary people face. | ||
| And to the extent that we still operate on a meritocratic system, that is how Kanye became the success story that he is. | ||
| But I think that he's trying to point out ways that his success is now being used against him, and he feels like he's being used as an instrument or a cog in a much larger machine. | ||
| He doesn't know what to call it, maybe, or uh he's not impugning it for the right reasons but that machine does need to be investigated and talked about it that didn't happen tonight and that's what's so unfortunate about it there was just like | ||
| There was too much miscommunication for that to happen. | ||
| He said at the beginning of the interview, it's like, I'm, I'm not allowed, like, they can lump together the black vote, but I can't lump together this group's vote or what, you know, something to that extent. | ||
| I'm paraphrasing here. | ||
| And I find that interesting. | ||
| I do think that we I've always believed that Americans are extremely uncomfortable talking about race and that makes it almost impossible to make any progress on that front because you are so afraid of saying the wrong thing and that's what I think would have been maybe the best outcome of this conversation is to get someone else's perspective who right now is willing to take a huge risk. | ||
| I know what you're saying like definitely there are people who are willing to blame their problems on you know everything's out to get me this is by you know this is the system is is rooted for me to fail but I also think that there are I think the way we view race has creeped so much into our government that we do have systems that specifically are designed to lift people up and unfortunately can make the playing field unlevel and hurt some groups of people. | ||
| I don't think that we're able to fundamentally unpack how we view race in this culture because it's become kind of a left-wing taboo. | ||
| Ian is back! | ||
| What's up, guys? | ||
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No, Ian, wait, Ian! | |
| All right. | ||
| I want to, I want to, yeah, Grant, come, hop in, brother. | ||
| So here's, here's, I want to, I want to tell you. | ||
| They were, uh, Nick was afraid of your crystal rocks, by the way. | ||
| He was like, please, someone move these rocks for me, please. | ||
| Before the show, when we were all talking, I would, like, Kanye would be in the middle of an idea, and I would be nodding along, and I would put up a few fingers. | ||
| This is what I do when I signal, like, I've got a thing to say. | ||
| Like, people often say, like, you know, Tim interrupts all the time. | ||
| I do, but, you know, it's a show where we do cut each other off. | ||
| Maybe I doodle too much. | ||
| Look, I try. | ||
| But I often do, I'll hold my hand up and, like, nod along, like, either because we got to change the subject, go on to a new segment, or go to Super Chats. | ||
| When I would do that, Ye would immediately stop and be like, you want to say something? | ||
| And I'd be like, oh, keep going. | ||
| I was going to, after you're finished. | ||
| Like before the show, he was totally like, I put my hand up and he'd be like, yes. | ||
| Observation. | ||
| I had reason I came up here. | ||
| I was watching the show and listening and I think Kanye is an empath. | ||
| He's a he works off. | ||
| Yay. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Yay. | ||
| You change your name brother. | ||
| I'm struggling with this. | ||
| And he works off tone like big time tone and in a room like this with six people when one person asked somebody else a question and then the third person answers and then everyone's like that's why he was thinking of seven things at once at that right before he got up and walked out. | ||
| So it's just a different way to communicate. | ||
| Yeah, I think you're totally right in this room. | ||
| It's very hard to sometimes tell like it can feel like someone's not on your side more than they actually are or there's more tension maybe because people get animated and then you have to look over here and then the screen changes like you've been doing this show for a long time at this point like i know you probably feel that too and like you can't totally get the rhythm because at any time someone else is going to jump in free yeah it's like being a tornado a lot of times a really enjoyable tornado but if you're not used to it | ||
| That's why it's confusing to hear him compare it to the Lex Friedman podcast, because that's one-on-one. | ||
| You're talking for nearly four hours together. | ||
| You have complete and utter freedom to say whatever you want. | ||
| But then this is supposed to be a conversation that pinballs around. | ||
| That's nothing like Lex Friedman. | ||
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Right. | |
| I feel like what he was saying is he was expecting to be, I guess, scripted questions or some kind of narrative or something else that was beneath what was happening or ulterior. | ||
| That's what he was referring to. | ||
| Or just allowed me to monologue. | ||
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Right. | |
| Exactly. | ||
| Which has never been the case for this show. | ||
| It's never been like that. | ||
| That's why I like it. | ||
| That's why I watched it. | ||
| Maybe he wasn't familiar with your viewpoints or how you do things. | ||
| I told him before the show, if you guys expect to talk about this stuff, I'm going to push back on it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Of course, of course, of course. | ||
| Well, that's why I'm like, when people are like, they staged it, I'm like, okay, maybe, think about this, as I stated earlier, if they stayed on the show and said things that everyone already knew they thought, what's the story? | ||
| If they get up and storm out, the story was put up on the internet with a minute of it happening, yay, storms out of interview. | ||
| And they never got their ideas challenged or questioned. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They had two people that for... | ||
| Especially one for years that were specifically debating this issue, that were arguing this issue, that again were studying this issue. | ||
| We came to, of course, have that conversation. | ||
| They didn't want to have it. | ||
| Does walking out just mean all publicity is good publicity? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| The moment we got into the point of any kind of adversarial questioning, they were done and they walked out. | ||
| They didn't have to have their ideas challenged, but they got the PR. | ||
| I feel like the human race right now is coming together with the internet, and we're just at this weird stage of our evolution where you get these really different people. | ||
| We're forced to come together. | ||
| We have no choice. | ||
| If we're going to survive and create American republicanism and freedom and stuff, we have to work with people that we do not understand or like sometimes. | ||
| It's like mixing oil and water. | ||
| You see these weird environments and things where it's too much for somebody one day, and then the next day you're still friends. | ||
| I digress, but I think it's to be expected, these kind of things, and it's not like a bad thing. | ||
| You're also like an empath, kind of. | ||
| Maybe it would have gone differently and better if you had been in the room, actually. | ||
| There's always more, you know, it's worth seeing in all perspectives. | ||
| Do it again, we'll do it again. | ||
| You're someone who, like, when I talk to you, I feel like you are 1000% attentive to what I'm saying. | ||
| And maybe the format that Kanye was in, sorry, Ye, was in here, without you involved in the conversation just didn't feel that way. | ||
| Like he didn't feel heard. | ||
| We did have a good conversation before the show about Parler. | ||
| What did he think about Parler? | ||
| Well, I want to federate it with mine's Rumble and Twitter so that they can all interoperate. | ||
| He was like, what's that exactly? | ||
| And we talked about that. | ||
| He was super down with that. | ||
| We didn't get to talk about Graphene yet, but we will. | ||
| We will. | ||
| You plan to call him later? | ||
| I mean, I think one of the things is Mile has been on the show before, so hopefully he would have familiarized Kanye with like the format and maybe that was just not like lost in translation. | ||
| Would you have Nick back on his own? | ||
| Ian, handle it for five minutes. | ||
| You got it, brother. | ||
| Okay, would you have Nick back on his own? | ||
| Like, can we have these guests separately, or was the power of the interview that all three were here? | ||
| At this point, every day, every way, I'd have all three of those guys back on their own. | ||
| They each deserve to speak, and hopefully they'll get a chance to. | ||
| I personally would have. | ||
| I'm a very open-minded, sometimes maybe a little too radical, a little too eccentric. | ||
| I'll have people on that like, why are you interviewing the devil, Ian? | ||
| Well, I mean, let's find out why people think he's so evil. | ||
| Let's get down to it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Did it take you a while to adjust to this format? | ||
| Because it is like, with looking at the news and responding to it, like, you're not necessarily here to discuss your expertise. | ||
| Did that take you a minute to fall into line with? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| First, it felt like a jam session. | ||
| I was treating it like a jam session. | ||
| Me and Tim would come in. | ||
| I'd make as much noise as he was. | ||
| We were just splattering it. | ||
| And he would get frustrated and kept getting it and was like, this is it. | ||
| At one point, he kind of said, listen, I'm the orchestra. | ||
| Like, I'm the what do they call it? | ||
| The guy that's leading the orchestra. | ||
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Conductor. | |
| Tim's like, I'm the conductor. | ||
| I'm like, that's right. | ||
| I'm first trumpet. | ||
| It's not a jam session. | ||
| We're not equals here. | ||
| Tim is conducting this environment. | ||
| At least that's how I treat the show. | ||
| Yeah, I do too. | ||
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It's called Timcast. | |
| It's not called All of Us Cast. | ||
| It's not Communist Cast. | ||
| If you're not having your ideas challenged, what are you doing? | ||
| I mean, come on. | ||
| And we talk over each other. | ||
| Me and Tim disagree. | ||
| We argue. | ||
| We debate all the time. | ||
| We had a big debate about Bill Gates and we saw things differently. | ||
| We had a whole debate about, you know, the jabs. | ||
| We had a whole debate about so many different issues, and it's fine. | ||
| You know, it's okay. | ||
| And I think, you know, more and more you're seeing a lot of parallels from the left on the right. | ||
| So, you know, a lot of the wokeness, a lot of the blaming everything on generalizations, a lot of the kind of more emotional-based aspects, a lot of the The kind of ways that people handle themselves asking for more government intervention. | ||
| I think it's almost directly the same in a lot of instances. | ||
| And I think that's a fair critique that needs to be criticized, especially with people calling for more government, especially people who are trying to blame everything on one particular group. | ||
| I think more than ever we need conversation. | ||
| We need debate. | ||
| We need paradigms shattered. | ||
| We need them broken. | ||
| We need to get rid of this thinking that some man or some government is going to come in and fix everything for you because they are not. | ||
| No one's coming to save you. | ||
| You can only save yourself. | ||
| Personal responsibility, decentralization, localized community efforts are the way that this is going to be solved here. | ||
| Listen, listen here. | ||
| Listen here, ghost girl. | ||
| Stop interrupting me. | ||
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Do you sell a t-shirt with this on it? | |
| Hannah Clare, stop being rude. | ||
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Listen, listen. | |
| You women go start your own view show. | ||
| Stop being rude and interrupting me. | ||
| It's called Pop Culture Crisis. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| I'm talking about a very specific issue that I think is worth mentioning now because, again, there are a lot of parallels between the left and the right. | ||
| They're essentially calling for the same thing, acting the same way, and representing them the same way. | ||
| Now, you women go squawk at each other. | ||
| I'm serious, though. | ||
| Lee, is there a specific story you would have liked to discuss with Connie tonight? | ||
| I mean, that was the thing that I really... I am so sorry. | ||
| I'm not doing this on purpose. | ||
| Hannah, you know that. | ||
| We already went over this. | ||
| We already talked about this. | ||
| It's like when people call you Hannah. | ||
| I said, hey, I wish we would have talked about this, this, and this. | ||
| No, but I'm just curious. | ||
| Can you remind me what you said? | ||
| Harley Pasternak, the Canadian Psychological Operations. | ||
| Dave Chappelle essentially warning on Oprah what he went through seems like exactly what Kanye went through, and this is what Ye went through, and this is why I specifically brought up him being institutionalized because I think there's a | ||
| bigger conversation to be had with this Canadian military guy who worked in psychological | ||
| operations that is one of the bigger players in Hollywood. | ||
| What do you know about him? | ||
| I think there's a bigger conversation to have about that. | ||
| There's a bigger conversation to have about Balenciaga and all the occult secret stuff | ||
| that they've been kind of showing to the point where they have now deleted their Instagram and their Twitter. | ||
| I think there's a bigger conversation to have about, you know, JPMorgan and Chase and Jeffrey Epstein. | ||
| So these were the issues that I really wanted to get into because I thought they were extremely important to highlight the larger parallels of what he's warning about to how other people have been affected by. | ||
| And when I brought up the meds before, Specifically, I think it's worth talking about because when you look at the text message that he released between himself and Harley Pasternak, who essentially looks like he was the one that institutionalized him because he was at his home, he's the one that was threatening to drug him and to put him in zombie land forever. | ||
| to the point where playing with his children wasn't going to be the same ever again. | ||
| That was a huge threat made against Ye, right? | ||
| This is why I think it's important to talk about SSRIs, psychotropics, all the drugs, especially with the way that they have affected individuals like Jordan Peterson, to think that these drugs that Big Pharma gives out like they're just candy, doesn't have any long-term mental effects, I think, is a conversation that should be had. | ||
| It shouldn't be a controversial one, since clearly there's a link there. | ||
| Why do you think people are afraid to talk about this? | ||
| Ian, you might have views on this too. | ||
| Like, why do you think SSRIs or, you know, they call them mood-stabilizing drugs or whatever, like, why do you think people are so afraid to discuss that? | ||
| Well, there's a big industry. | ||
| There's a huge big pharma industry that has their money in their hands and everywhere that I think is worth criticizing, that I think is worth talking about, and this is why I wanted to bring up this conversation. | ||
| Do you feel the same way about, like, lithium or anti-psychotic drugs as you do about SSRIs? | ||
| Because there's a far bigger portion of the population taking SSRIs than antipsychotic medication. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| I think a lot of the studies, a lot of the findings haven't really been officially kind of delved out. | ||
| I think each person is unique, each person is individual, just like their brain chemistry. | ||
| And once you start tinkering and messing around with people's brain chemistry when they're all different | ||
| I think this leaves for a recipe for disaster. So as far as those two particular | ||
| Different kind of substances. I'm not an expert. I'm not a scientist. I'm not here trying to give you guys any kind of | ||
| medical advice That's the last thing I want to do. I know you would want | ||
| me to be but I'm not Calm down there. | ||
| I just believe, Lee, that you could be the world's best doctor. | ||
| Go back to Poland. | ||
| Go to medical school. | ||
| I know you would, but... What kind of doctor would you be? | ||
| Did you ever want to go to medical school? | ||
| I have a lot of jokes that I could make here right now, but I won't. | ||
| I'm more mature than this. | ||
| No, but I'm being serious. | ||
| You've always been interested in wellness ever since I've known you. | ||
| Have you ever wanted to study medicine in any serious capacity? | ||
| Well, yeah, I don't think you need licenses or permission to study anything. | ||
| I've been looking into a lot of the scientific studies. | ||
| When Dr. Drew was on, we talked about Paxilvid. | ||
| I thought that was a very interesting, important conversation to have, and I think I've held my weight when it came to debating a lot of those very important, controversial ideas. | ||
| But, again, everyone has their own decision. | ||
| And this is what me and Ye were talking about when we first saw each other. | ||
| He picked up a bar. | ||
| I'm like, you don't want that. | ||
| That's poison. | ||
| Here, let me get you some good stuff. | ||
| And we got him some stuff without any seed oils, without any high fructose corn syrup. | ||
| And I'm like, you don't want to touch this. | ||
| You don't want to touch this. | ||
| You want to be careful of this. | ||
| And this is why when he left, as he was leaving, he was like, am I detained? | ||
| I'm like, you're not detained. | ||
| He's like, I want to work with you on food. | ||
| I'm like, OK. | ||
| He's like, you don't owe us anything. | ||
| It's fine. | ||
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No. | |
| Do you feel like the American public is generally empowered to, like, do they know enough about nutrition or the medical industry? | ||
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Absolutely not. | |
| Like, what would be the best way to change that in your perspective? | ||
| Because you are sort of self-educated in this sphere. | ||
| Yeah, absolutely. | ||
| I mean, each person, the best health advice I could give to an individual is to do what is right for you as an individual. | ||
| Nothing is an all-cure answer to everything. | ||
| Everything is based on an individual. | ||
| You got anything to report? | ||
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I'm back! | |
| I'm going to have to piggyback off what you're saying, Luke, about Kanye maybe having stress, or Ye, sorry buddy, having stress. | ||
| I don't know if it's fair to kind of speculate, but I think it's fair to have that discussion based off what happened to him, those text messages, and how the industry tries to control people with these psychotropic drugs, and has tried to do it with Dave Chappelle, who on record came out and said, there was people running around me saying that I was crazy trying to get me to take these big pharma drugs. | ||
| He escaped to Africa and literally ran away from $50 million in a contract because he felt like he was going to be forcefully drugged by people in the industry that are trying to control him and trying to feminize him and dress him up as a little girl. | ||
| There's a big difference between taking drug and being drugged. | ||
| I have a very close friend that was drugged. | ||
| He still has post-traumatic stress from the experience. | ||
| It's not just the memory of the woe, the walls are moving around. | ||
| It's like, who did this to me? | ||
| Am I even safe? | ||
| Is life even real? | ||
| And that can follow someone for years. | ||
| So I think that conversation could be had. | ||
| I'd like to talk to Kanye about... I mean, if we were going deep one night about our past and stuff and you're like, do you have post-traumatic stress? | ||
| All right, let's go to Super Chats. | ||
| Sorry. | ||
| No, thank you for the segue. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I didn't mean to cut you off. | ||
| It's just... | ||
| Just that you're tired of him talking. | ||
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He's like, this is my show, don't forget it. | |
| My phone's getting slammed. | ||
| I got a bunch of people messaging me. | ||
| It's funny, a lot of the people who are like, don't do this, Tim, are now going, you did a good thing tonight, Tim. | ||
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We didn't do anything! | |
| What did we do? | ||
| We didn't do nothing. | ||
| They're gonna reframe it to the point where they said, Tim Pool kicks Kanye out of his studio. | ||
| We should put a bet right now on which way this gets spun. | ||
| Banishes Ye out of his studio for anti-Semitic rants. | ||
| Or platforms terrible people. | ||
| I wanna announce, you know, we were gonna have a members-only show, which I guess we don't have, but We do still have a members-only segment with them. | ||
| So we had a crew go out and film them on their journey here, and then I guess what they were doing before they got here, I'm assuming they filmed them on the way out? | ||
| So we'll have at least that up, I suppose. | ||
| But let's read some of these superchats. | ||
| And I'll try and read as many people who like and don't like me. | ||
| People are saying we should have talked about fish sticks. | ||
| People have pointed that out. | ||
| All right, Bo Rai says, sorry, Ye is a freaking baby. | ||
| Tim put up hardly any resistance and just simply asked what he means. | ||
| How can you be president if you can't even explain yourself? | ||
| He has to talk to media politicians if he's president. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I mean, I got to say, dude, if he was going to be running for president, it would have been just someone yelling at him the whole time. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Imagine Ye sitting down with Xi Jinping. | ||
| And then him being like, hey man, you know, you're building these military bases in the South China Sea. | ||
| And then she just tells him he's a weak, pathetic man and that he has no strength and there's nothing he can do to stop him. | ||
| Is Ye going to just like walk away? | ||
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Yeah, I don't know. | |
| And then what? | ||
| I don't think that there was ever going to be a real campaign, but, like, I'm on camera saying that that's my prediction, and if I'm wrong, then clip me. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| But I don't think that there's going to be a real Yay! | ||
| 24. | ||
| We talked to them privately, and it looks like they're taking it seriously. | ||
| Oh, yeah, you can learn magic. | ||
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For now? | |
| You gotta teach Yay! | ||
| magic, dude. | ||
| You think the words instead of say them. | ||
| When you look at someone in the eyes and your body language does the speaking for you, even if they don't understand your English or whatever, if they're Chinese, it still is the form of really legit communication. | ||
| TheRebelliousGrizzlyBear says, Hey TimCastCrew, people who only want to have a one-sided conversation don't belong in politics. | ||
| How can things really change without having a back and forth? | ||
| This is a major problem in politics today. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I gotta feel like I watched the Lex Fredman thing. | ||
| I don't watch the whole thing. | ||
| I don't watch a whole lot of other shows, but I watched it on while I was doing other things. | ||
| I guess that's what people do with podcasts. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And particularly I watched the anti-semitic stuff, the stuff that Ye was saying, and I felt that Lex was talking in circles. | ||
| Like, I was just not interested in it. | ||
| And that's exactly what I told them before. | ||
| I was like, guys, I get it. | ||
| I know what you think. | ||
| Can we talk about what's going on with you guys in the news so we can elaborate on this? | ||
| And they didn't want to do it. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| All right. | ||
| What do we got here? | ||
| Hey, I said I'd read ones that were not fond of me either. | ||
| It's funny because people are like, Tim wants to be the smartest guy in the room and he's got a big ego, but I'll literally read you insulting me and I'll have on a whole bunch of other people who are either in different areas more knowledgeable than I am. And I'll | ||
| give a special shout out to Seamus Coghlan, who I argued with, adamant that I was correct about what | ||
| abortion was, specifically on the legal side, and Seamus told me I was | ||
| wrong. Turned out to be right, and then I had to apologize to him later, saying I was | ||
| completely wrong about that. You were right. | ||
| I had the legal definition totally incorrect. So that's the reason why you have other people on. | ||
| We bully Tim off-air, don't worry. | ||
| Oh, they're throwing pies at me. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Hannah's evil. | ||
| I'm really mean. I don't know what's so good. | ||
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Totally. | |
| She gives Tim swirlies. | ||
| You can see it in her eyes. | ||
| You can't give me a swirl, I got no hair! | ||
| I think we have three cameras on or something? | ||
| I think we have three cameras on or something. | ||
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I wonder if Wesley got it. | |
| Well, the thing is, like, we were all watching it and like, we see his coat go behind you | ||
| and I was like, who was that? | ||
| And then we get enough people sprinting to be like, we've got to intercept, like, what's going on? | ||
| We should have a Jerry Springer camera guy outside the door 24-7. | ||
| Just ready at all times. | ||
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Ready to go. | |
| That'd be good. | ||
| But who's the father? | ||
| Ghost Crusader says you should have pre-recorded the interview, Tim. | ||
| You did nothing wrong, but I think Milo showed him the episode with you and Milo, and Ye thought it was going to be like that, where he can just keep talking. | ||
| That's a good observation. | ||
| I agree with that, I do, I do. | ||
| But you don't pre-record. | ||
| But even with Milo, we were like, wait, wait, hold on, I want to say this, and then we interrupted Milo a couple times. | ||
| Did you push back on things Milo was saying? | ||
| I don't think Milo was saying, like... I did, yeah, specifically. | ||
| He was worshipping the altar of Donald Trump, and I was like, wait, are you really going to be worshipping Donald Trump? | ||
| Like, are you going to be, you know, worshipping, you know? | ||
| You're bringing up, like, foreign policy stuff. | ||
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Exactly. | |
| But look, look, look. | ||
| I explained this to them before the show. | ||
| When Milo came on, he had not spoken publicly in almost five years. | ||
| And so when he started talking and just was going off, I was like, this is a stream of consciousness that he's been holding onto. | ||
| And to hear his thoughts is really interesting considering Trump's going to be announcing or whatever. | ||
| When they came here, I said, we know what you guys have said. | ||
| That's been the news. | ||
| We can talk about it. | ||
| Who am I kidding? | ||
| It'll come up, but let's talk about new issues. | ||
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Right. | |
| Like, that was my point. | ||
| Okay, then you want to bring, and I said, if you guys want to bring that up, I will be pushing back. | ||
| Don't expect me to just sit back. | ||
| And Milo's like, yes, yes, yes, of course, of course. | ||
| All I wanted for him was to look at Ye and be like, so would you build the border wall? | ||
| Like, I just needed to know some platforms here. | ||
| Or Julian Assange. | ||
| What's his position on Julian Assange? | ||
| I think he also talked about a UBI, universal basic income, that he wants to... I've only ever heard him refer to, like, the utopia he wants to build, but I don't know what that means. | ||
| I'm gonna walk out. | ||
| I'm out of here. | ||
| You're all welcome! | ||
| Finally, Leonard is leaving! | ||
| When we had Milo on a couple weeks ago for the first 15 minutes, I kept seeing Tim put his hand up, gesturing like he's gonna respond, and it was impossible, and Milo kept going like a steamroller. | ||
| Oh, hey, Luke. | ||
| And then at 15 minutes, 20 minutes in, Tim just went along for the ride after that, and we just let Milo take it. | ||
| Yay was wearing a very large puffer jacket that probably brushed past every seat. | ||
| It's freezing here. | ||
| He wasn't wrong about that. | ||
| He was right. | ||
| It is cold. | ||
| Do you have a window open? | ||
| It's always freezing. | ||
| Someone had the AC on. | ||
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Oh. | |
| The window was open, that's why it was cold. | ||
| But I went into the room and it was on cooling. | ||
| I mean, I guess it's better if this room is cold and not hot. | ||
| No one in the Super Chat cares about this conversation. | ||
| So I will also mention to people, like, there are things happening. | ||
| Like, my phone's blowing up. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| Like, I've got it. | ||
| There's a lot more to booking people than just, like, calling them and saying, come hang out. | ||
| So I'll just leave it at that. | ||
| And so one example is security and how we handle that and other things. | ||
| So, you know, I'll just say that. | ||
| All right, let's see what we got here. | ||
| Gabriel Lopez says, Tim, you are defending the people destroying his life. | ||
| He realizes it's a waste of time and cut his losses. | ||
| I wasn't defending the people destroying his life. | ||
| I was asking him who was doing it. | ||
| In fact, I wanted him to name those people, which is why we brought up, what was the guy, Pasternak? | ||
| Yeah, Harley Pasternak. | ||
| Right. | ||
| And so what I wanted to do was name the individuals. | ||
| But he was adamant that it was just Jewish people. | ||
| And I'm like, okay, dude. | ||
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It is miscommunication. | |
| Maybe, but like, I wasn't trying to insult him. | ||
| I'm like, can you explain who this is? | ||
| Who are these people? | ||
| And when I said they, he's like, what do you mean by they? | ||
| Like, oh, come on, dude. | ||
| Have you guys ever had that phenomenon where it's you and two other people, and then like the two other people start talking at you, and they're both kind of giving you like their... | ||
| Have you ever had that happen? | ||
| It's like immediate defensive mode for me when I have that and there's three of us and I'm like, whoa, hold on, you're both coming at me now. | ||
| You feel ganged up on, yeah. | ||
| I bet the essence of that creeps into people around here because it's a big show and then the energy moves so quick around here. | ||
| That's why I wish that the subject matter could have been something, like, lighter at some points. | ||
| Like, I would have loved to hear Kanye's—sorry, Ye's—thoughts about— I'm contagious. | ||
| —about fashion or about entertainment or about religion, any number of things, without derailing instantly to Yeah, it's like, let's get the car out of the mud before we start. | ||
| The car wasn't actually in the mud. | ||
| We didn't have to do that. | ||
| Well, he brought it up! | ||
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I wish you guys had recorded that pre-show. | |
| We should have recorded the previous conversation that we had. | ||
| It was actually a really interesting, normal conversation. | ||
| It happens all the time in the pre-show. | ||
| And he's a beautiful dude, Kanye, a human. | ||
| Like, when you make eye contact with him and see his soul, he's a normal, like a really Good guy. | ||
| They were talking about are some sins more sinful than others and then Ye asked Milo about like a specific saint or like some certain passages and I'm like but we were like we like get up we're grabbing water and like we're changing the lights and we're doing the cameras so we usually just don't record it. | ||
| Do you think like I mean he's done other roundtable type interviews like is there anything else about this situation that you think like you were saying before like it feels more tense than maybe it is you don't have someone who's maybe It was really cold in here. | ||
| That might have something to do with it. | ||
| But he did have a jacket on, where he keeps his secrets. | ||
| He had one on. | ||
| He had a big puffy jacket on. | ||
| That might have something to do with it. | ||
| He hasn't done media appearances with both Milo and Nick present before. | ||
| This was the first time that that happened. | ||
| I know, because you're like a Nick fan. | ||
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I'm sure this is like a pass. | |
| Well, he was supposed to go on Pop Culture Crisis with you guys afterwards. | ||
| Yeah, that was the plan, and I had a lot of questions that I was wanting to ask, yay, but unfortunately that's not gonna happen. | ||
| Well, it could happen. | ||
| I mean, this is just like, it's an example of what has to happen for us to have this conversation in public. | ||
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Right. | |
| Because we're gonna need to bring people in that we don't necessarily think we agree with. | ||
| Klaus Schwab could be in here next week, and that would be a good thing. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Hell yeah! | ||
| I would love to talk to Klaus. | ||
| I'd love to talk to the bug man. | ||
| I'd love to talk to Bill Gates. | ||
| I'd love to talk to all these people and have those hard conversations and have those difficult conversations. | ||
| Do you think you know what's best for everyone else? | ||
| Let's actually debate it. | ||
| Let's actually have that conversation. | ||
| What were you guys talking about when I was outside? | ||
| Medical psychosis or something? | ||
| Eating the bugs. | ||
| And if you need to go to medical school to become a doctor. | ||
| I would pose that maybe come end times, Luke is our new city doctor. | ||
| Luke had pointed out how Kanye may have been stressed since they had basically drugged him when they had taken him to the hospital. | ||
| And I thought there is also like a level of post-traumatic stress. | ||
| If you've been drugged, it's different than taking a drug willingly. | ||
| Armani says, Tim says we have to treat people like individuals when ye refer to certain people, yet Tim never stepped in when Seamus or anyone else has gone on a homophobic tirade calling us degenerates, and that is 100% not true. | ||
| In fact, I argue a lot about it to the point where some people yell at me, like when we were talking about trans people and Dylan Mulvaney, and then I was saying like, These weird trolls do not represent trans people. | ||
| And, like, yeah. | ||
| I'm, like, left-lib, but probably, like, center-left. | ||
| So, free speech, liberty, you know. | ||
| I draw the line at manipulating kids. | ||
| We all have our issues. | ||
| We all have our issues that we love to talk about. | ||
| When someone believes that a government is the solution to any problem, it just straight up, like, gets me activated. | ||
| I gotta get going. | ||
| I gotta be like, hey, no. | ||
| Like, That's because that's my own personal beliefs. | ||
| That's my bigger truth that I'm willing to stand on and debate and have a conversation on. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And, you know, let's just read some more. | ||
| Alright, Mission says, Tim, can't we just chuck it up that this was an unfortunate situation, not a setup, not your bad on questions, just an unfortunate set of circumstances. | ||
| It's just disappointing that Ye responded that way. | ||
| I think that's fair to say. | ||
| Like, I was saying before, like, I don't know what they got out of this. | ||
| Like, maybe that just shows that nobody planned for any of this to happen. | ||
| Ye is just... | ||
| Look, man. | ||
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He's volatile, if anything. | |
| Well, no, I just mean like, if he doesn't need this, why is he here? | ||
| If he's not getting what he wants, he's gone. | ||
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Right. | |
| I remember when I worked for Vice, everyone at the office's attitude was that they were lucky to be there. | ||
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And when I left, they were like, you're leaving? | |
| And I was like, yeah. | ||
| And they're like, why would you leave? | ||
| I'm like, what do you mean? | ||
| They're holding me back. | ||
| They're not getting me what I need. | ||
| I don't need, I don't want to be here. | ||
| Like I have, I have something I need and someone else is offering me it. | ||
| Like, And his attitude is probably like, | ||
| what am I doing here with this guy? | ||
| I don't need him. | ||
| Yeah. He's right. | ||
| He owes me nothing. | ||
| But none of them do. | ||
| I'm not even mad. | ||
| I'm like, look, I'm disappointed the show didn't work out. | ||
| We had plans for the after show and stuff like that. | ||
| But I'm not mad. | ||
| I mean, it's like a crazy, exciting night. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| Couldn't have predicted that, you know? | ||
| Yeah, same reason I didn't go to the Halloween party. | ||
| I didn't show up because I get freaked out with lots of emotions. | ||
| It's just this empathic thing. | ||
| That's why I'm in my room 98% of the time when I'm here. | ||
| You need to get out and go exercise, bro. | ||
| Yeah, we gotta do that kickboxing class. | ||
| Come on. | ||
| Yeah, you're right, because that'll help the emotion. | ||
| And probably Ye could stand to do a little exercise, too, to help control in this hot moment that we're going through as humanity. | ||
| Yeah, I understand why someone might want to distance himself from high energy. | ||
| Spence says, wait, Trump gets criticized, but you purposefully invited all three. | ||
| Uh-huh. | ||
| I'm not running for president. | ||
| And Trump gets criticized because it's politics and I'll get criticized all the same. | ||
| And like I mentioned, there were people saying, Tim, don't host those people. | ||
| How dare you? | ||
| Now they're going, you did a really great job. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| This is my issue with like the woke grievance politics. | ||
| If you say, like, I'm gonna go talk to this person, they'll be like, don't do it, don't do it. | ||
| Look at when Vice covered Charlottesville, and then all the leftist journalists are giving them awards. | ||
| Oh, okay. | ||
| When Vice goes and interviews white nationalists, they win an award for it because it turns out in the end they made them look bad. | ||
| But if any other journalist says, I'm gonna go interview, they're like, no, no, no, no, don't do it, don't do it, it's wrong. | ||
| When I said I was gonna go to Sweden, I had Vice people telling me, don't go, you'll help Trump. | ||
| I'm like, what do you mean I'll help Trump? | ||
| If Trump is wrong, I'll prove him wrong. | ||
| No, no, no, don't do it. | ||
| Then when Vice themselves go to Charlottesville with a white nationalist, they get an award? | ||
| These people are total hypocrites, man. | ||
| And many times they don't even push back or debate these ideas, they just kind of present them as is. | ||
| So that's another, you know, topic for discussion. | ||
| Peas and Butter says they needed Tim Kast's platform. | ||
| They would not be here if they did not need you. | ||
| I just, I, man, people who live in the grievance world get angry and don't want to hear it. | ||
| They don't want to be on camera. | ||
| They don't want to be interviewed. | ||
| They want to be able to say whatever they want because they know they're right, but they can't stand up to scrutiny. | ||
| So if you've got an idea and you can't handle someone saying something like, what do you mean by that? | ||
| And then you storm out. | ||
| I don't think you mean anything. | ||
| I think you don't know what you're talking about. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| I think what happened, here's what I think. | ||
| I think Ye's life is being destroyed by a handful of powerful individuals, many of them happen to be Jewish. | ||
| I think he immediately sees that and says, this must be it. | ||
| He makes a tweet about it, and I think, didn't he clarify he meant specific people? | ||
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Yes, he did. | |
| And then he gets in touch with certain others who are like, no, no, you were right the first time, and then start agreeing with him and, you know, telling him yes. | ||
| And then he says, okay, but then he can't actually back those ideas up because there's nothing behind them. | ||
| Wait a minute, don't conflate Rothschild's banking empire with Judaism, that's for sure. | ||
| I like the way you say that, like it's your personal slogan. | ||
| I'm always telling people. | ||
| Put it on the wall. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| It's like an embroidered pillow in your room. | ||
| I just got silk pillowcases by the way. | ||
| Someone please embroider that pillow and send it as fan mail. | ||
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Yeah, that'd be great. | |
| Put it on the wall behind. | ||
| I mean, I've said it a hundred times tonight, but I am just sad that we didn't get the opportunity to have Ye explain both his views on this issue, but also what I really want to know is what are your platforms? | ||
| If you're seeking political office, I want to know what your stance is. | ||
| Look at what Milo said. | ||
| When Ye brought up who he has an issue with, When he brought up this grievance political position, Milo said it's the hypocrisy that people are tired of. | ||
| Why are they allowed to say one group of people but not another group of people? | ||
| If that's his position for Ye 24, Trump's got nothing to worry about. | ||
| If Ye came on this platform and said Trump knew who Fuentes was, Trump was all about it. | ||
| Trump believes in it. | ||
| And then said, and we're gonna we're gonna work on fixing the borders. | ||
| And like, that would have actually hurt Trump. | ||
| I think what happened tonight was the best thing that could have happened to Trump. | ||
| It's kind of weird. | ||
| Like, if this was Milo's revenge, he didn't get it. | ||
| He just saved Trump. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| I don't know what his plan was. | ||
| People were like, I got a message. | ||
| People were like, hey, they're using you, Tim. | ||
| They're trying to use you. | ||
| And I'm like, what do you think it is when someone goes on my show? | ||
| Do you think like anyone who comes on the show ever is just like, I'm doing this for Tim's benefit? | ||
| They're like, I want to go on the show to get more followers, promote my book, promote my movie. | ||
| Come on, man. | ||
| Come on, man! | ||
| No, we just do it to be nice to you. | ||
| We don't want you to be sitting here alone talking to yourself. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| AC Your says, Yay opened with, I'm going to walk if you do not 100% agree with me. | ||
| He did say that. | ||
| Not the 100% agree with me part, but he did say, I'm not gonna have a conversation like this. | ||
| DJ Z says, applauded by the media, clear sign you were wrong. | ||
| I don't know the media as well as Breitbart that wrote that, but I'm getting commentators, like, just political pundits. | ||
| Yeah, also, like, wrong about what? | ||
| Like, I think you were right to have them on. | ||
| Like, it would have been a really interesting conversation. | ||
| It's their decision how they conduct themselves in the room and if they want to stay in the room. | ||
| That's not up to you. | ||
| I'll be honest. | ||
| It really was a good conversation, regardless that he left or that they left 30 minutes of awesomeness. | ||
| And then about 35 minutes of awesomeness. | ||
| Listen to you guys talk about it afterwards. | ||
| And then you guys came in and it's still good. | ||
| Now it's even better because I'm here. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| Ian came in and saved the show. | ||
| I was looking for you. | ||
| I was like, where were you? | ||
| I was like, I couldn't find you. | ||
| I went downstairs. | ||
| I talked to them. | ||
| I tried to get him back. | ||
| I almost went out there to see him before they left, but I thought I don't want to mess with it. | ||
| The energy. | ||
| I just want to kind of let it flow. | ||
| And like, you're saying an empath, like, do you want a hundred people just like doggedly being like, no, where are you going? | ||
| When you want to be alone, you want to be alone. | ||
| That's what I thought. | ||
| So there's a few things we were going to ask. | ||
| Like Milo in the past has said he's Jewish. | ||
| Now he says he's not. | ||
| Milo called Kanye, called Ye, sorry. | ||
| Gay before. | ||
| At least it's been reported. | ||
| I've not explicitly seen the tweets. | ||
| One thing that I did ask him about, like as we're getting ready for the show, there's a post going around that's purportedly from Milo talking about how the United States needs to put Christian interests above Jewish interests. | ||
| And Milo, he didn't get a chance to talk about it. | ||
| Like, this is what I wanted to talk about. | ||
| Like, hey, there's news. | ||
| Milo said he didn't say that. | ||
| He reposted that. | ||
| He was sharing what someone else had said, and it's like the full context isn't even there. | ||
| He said he wouldn't have phrased it that way, but some of the points were correct. | ||
| Would have been great if he was here and got to ask those, mention those questions. | ||
| Then there was also the claims that Fuentes has disparaged black people, but was here working with and for, yay. | ||
| We didn't get a chance to get any of that stuff. | ||
| So it's almost like they couldn't, well, I can't, you know, here's what's sad. | ||
| Milo and Nick getting up and walking out because Ye did? | ||
| Come on, guys. | ||
|
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Yeah, seriously. | |
| Bro, you're, like, both of you are high-profile personalities. | ||
| I'll tell you, before the show, Ye said, you know, I've raised the profile of these guys. | ||
| I said, uh, you know, and Milo's mentioning doing these shows, I said, uh, Ye's profile could not be any higher. | ||
| I mean, before or after this, it's like, it's crazy. | ||
| Everybody wants to know what he's doing. | ||
| I mean, I think they think of themselves as a trio. | ||
| They're all part of his campaign and he's sort of spearheading them. | ||
| Would you have Nick back? | ||
| I know we had Milo before. | ||
| Why would you just walk out because Ye did? | ||
| Right. | ||
| I mean, I think they think of themselves as a trio. | ||
| They're all part of his campaign and he's sort of spearheading them. | ||
| Would you have Nick back? | ||
| Would you have – I know we had Milo before. | ||
| Would you have them back? | ||
| I think we should potentially have them both back. | ||
| But the issue is if they're going to walk out because Ye did, it's like are they leading | ||
| this conversation or are they just here for the ride? | ||
| Yeah, because if I, if me and you went on a show and you got pissed off at the host and walked out, I'd probably stay. | ||
| I think that'd be the right move. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like what are you supposed to do? | ||
| Cause if you work for, if he's your candidate. | ||
| I don't think I would ever do that though. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| That's the first thing. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Somebody clip that. | ||
| If Tim ever walks out of an interview. | ||
| I don't want to say that cause I'm like, I don't know, man, everybody's human. | ||
| I mean, I've probably walked out of some something before. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| If an interviewer is intellectually dishonest and not willing to engage in a real conversation, I think that you're understandably going to disengage, right? | ||
|
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I mean, I don't think that that was the case with you. | |
| You're not even an interviewer. | ||
| You're just having a discussion. | ||
| I like that he compared me to Lex Fredman. | ||
| Can I get the brownie points from the YouTube algorithm the same way that Lex gets them? | ||
| I think the connection is that you and Lex are like logicians. | ||
| You guys are both into logic. | ||
| Very, very strong logic. | ||
| And Kanye is more emotional. | ||
| So we sensed the logic in the room. | ||
| Hmm. | ||
| Let me point something out. | ||
| When Yeh was talking about how you can say the black vote, but you can't say Jewish people are doing this thing, it's like, whoa, hold on there a minute. | ||
| Jewish people also, in New York City, for instance, Well, actually, I shouldn't say New York City because the wave of crime has changed things, but they do create demographics based on Jewish people. | ||
| Like, they do have a Jewish demographic based on voting and voting preferences. | ||
| I lived in Bed-Stuy, and it was a very, very strong, deep, Hasidic community, and their politics were very I don't know what the right word is, but like, unique to that area, is the right way to say it, I suppose. | ||
| When there were protests over certain issues, it was this one, like COVID lockdown. | ||
| They were protesting specifically them. | ||
| You could point out, Jewish people in New York are protesting. | ||
| Nobody got mad about that. | ||
| They get mad that like a handful of rich people are hurting you, so you blame those guys. | ||
| You know, the people in New York City, the Hasidic Jews, were being chased and beaten in the street. | ||
| Like, that's bad. | ||
| That shouldn't happen, just because they're Jewish. | ||
| Those people with those clothes are not doing anything to anybody. | ||
| They're minding their own business. | ||
| They're having families. | ||
| They're going to synagogue. | ||
| They're good people. | ||
| And evil, greedy corporate people, people that are using corporations to control the world, should not hide behind the veil of a religion. | ||
| If you're going to call yourself Jewish and you're not living by the tenets of the faith, then you're a demon. | ||
| If you're doing that with Christianity, then you're abusing reality. | ||
| And you're not. | ||
| You're good. | ||
| I feel like we're about to go into a sermon. | ||
| Julie Bear says, I picked a good night to be a first-time listener. | ||
| I mean, maybe not. | ||
| We didn't get to listen to anything. | ||
| Also, this is not normally the structure of the show. | ||
| We don't normally just play musical chairs with people. | ||
| Can we turn it into a drama show? | ||
| We are the soap opera. | ||
| Mick Chilla says, Milo knew exactly how it would look to connect Nick and Kanye to Trump. | ||
| It's already kickstarted the racial argument against his campaign. | ||
| Convenient Milo has been allowed to surface recently, and now this. | ||
| I think Elon's going to reinstate Milo. | ||
| Soon. | ||
| At Nero. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And potentially Nick too. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| And he should. | ||
| Nero is an interesting username for a professed Catholic. | ||
| That's a good name. | ||
|
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Funny. | |
| You could tell he was going through a hard- Isn't it? | ||
| Maybe he'll change it. | ||
| Like a nihilistic period when he made that. | ||
| Why couldn't we talk about that? | ||
| I mean, it's unfortunate that I should have just pressed record the moment they sat down. | ||
| I mean, literally should have. | ||
| I mean, that's a big mistake on my part. | ||
| But let them know beforehand, of course. | ||
| If you had let them know, then it would have changed the whole vibe. | ||
| But it's so weird that when the cameras were not rolling, the conversation was calm and about faith, philosophy. | ||
| And when we got into the stuff about, you know, like when I said, I know it's going to come up, I'll push back. | ||
| They said, we want to talk about the Christian values that need to be restored in this country. | ||
| And I was like, well, that's interesting. | ||
| But then instantly it devolves into, I am going to make these assertions and demand that no one actually ask any questions about it. | ||
| I gotta ask Ye this question, but I wonder if there's a difference between doing a show pre-recorded where there's six of us listening to it, or doing one live where there's 50,000 people, 100,000 people. | ||
| Also, if that energy of those 100,000 people was heightening the situation. | ||
| Because at one point, I looked down at my keyboard and kind of lost track. | ||
| And that was when Kanye was like, it was that exact moment that Kanye was like, I don't remember why I brought up kids. | ||
| I was thinking about seven things. | ||
| I was like, God, I just lost track of it, and then so did he. | ||
| That was one of my favorite moments, when he's like, yeah, sometimes I'm just thinking about seven things, and I was like, I 100% relate to you right now. | ||
| It can be really overwhelming. | ||
| Did he have a screen in front of him, or was he just... No. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| DJZ says Lex also tried to be the one to correct Ye's wrongthink. | ||
| That's why he says it's the same. | ||
| Save adversarial questions for the two debaters. | ||
| Or do you mean same adversarial? | ||
| Yo, I literally wanted to be like, yeah, you're allowed to think what you want to think. | ||
| I don't think I'm going to change his mind. | ||
| That's why I told him before the show, like, people know you're saying these things. | ||
| Obviously, people disagree with what you're saying. | ||
| Obviously, you found people who agree with you. | ||
| Tell me about what you're doing in politics and what happened with Trump. | ||
| Explain now that you're in these prominent positions, now you're in the news, you're having an impact. | ||
| Tell the people why. | ||
| Well, you know, he did. | ||
| He did. | ||
| When I said, why politics? | ||
| Why Trump? | ||
| He said, Jewish people. | ||
| Well, okay. | ||
| The people heard it loud and clear. | ||
| That's exactly what your campaign and platform is. | ||
| And now they know. | ||
| And this is why I believe in free speech. | ||
| Because I genuinely thought they were going to try to have something to talk about. | ||
| And if the only thing they can talk about is that they hate a group of people or they're concerned, I shouldn't say it like that, they're concerned a group of people have it out for them. | ||
| No one's gonna vote for you. | ||
| And you will not amass any political power. | ||
| And it turns out sunlight might actually be the best disinfectant. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| C'est la vie. | ||
| C'est la vie. | ||
| I want to say this. | ||
| I'm not mad at him. | ||
| I don't know exactly what happened. | ||
| I'm trying to text them and say, like, what's going on. | ||
| I'm not going to cry about it. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| These things happen. | ||
| And I'll say it again. | ||
| Ye owes me nothing. | ||
| Literally nothing. | ||
| He's his own guy. | ||
| I hope he finds his path, man. | ||
| I hope he finds his path. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's just try and grab a couple more here. | ||
| Some of the later ones. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Brian says, Ye's point about the black vote versus the Jews and identitarianism was spot on. | ||
| How do you reconcile that? | ||
| I did, and I'll reconcile it again. | ||
| The black vote is a handful of working class, poor, wealthy, basically every single individual and the tendencies they have towards voting. | ||
| When Kanye is talking about Jewish people, he's not talking about cultural identity, politics, conservatism, tendencies to vote liberal or otherwise. | ||
| He's saying, because there's a handful of powerful, wealthy people who happen to be Jewish, it is Jewish people who have it out for me. | ||
| And I'm like, yo, like, my guy and my employee who are downstairs and are very Jewish, they actually like your music, they're fans, they just don't like what you're saying about them. | ||
| They don't have it out for you at all. | ||
| That's the distinction. | ||
| Why insult people who actually like you? | ||
| Why make them your enemies because you've chosen to attack their identity instead of the argument? | ||
| That's very different. | ||
| If you want to come out and say, Jewish people in New York vote this way, nobody gonna get mad at you! | ||
| They're gonna be like, that's true. | ||
| They are very religious, they are conservative, they tend to vote these certain ways. | ||
| If you're gonna say that there are a lot of liberal Jewish people in New York that tend to vote this way, yeah, that's called the demographic. | ||
| We do that all the time. | ||
| If you're gonna come out and say that BLM is all black people and they're the ones causing the riots, you're wrong. | ||
| Because Black Lives Matter is actually a bunch of white people. | ||
| Like, I hate that people are, uh, you, like, I just put it that, look, man, I'm in Portland, and I'm watching the Proud Boys march, and I'm looking at Antifa. | ||
| Antifa is a bunch of white people screaming racial slurs at a black Proud Boy. | ||
| And I'm like, these, you see, man? | ||
| And they call the Proud Boys white supremacists. | ||
| And I've told this story before, the black Proud Boy got angry, and he took it personally, and he went to cross the street, crossed the line between the cops, and a white, white Proud Boy stopped him, And said, stop! | ||
| Don't let them get to you, man. | ||
| They're trying to get to you. | ||
| And he grabbed his hand and said, you're my brother. | ||
| We're brothers. | ||
| Don't take the bait. | ||
| Something like that. | ||
| And I was like, that's so crazy. | ||
| When it was Antifa in front of an ICE detention center screaming racial slurs at a black ICE agent, I'm like, dude... | ||
| These are the people that I have a problem with. | ||
| The racists, the anti-Semites, the people who think that your worth is based on what you look like, or your religion or identity. | ||
| No. | ||
| Obviously religion plays a bigger role than your race. | ||
| Certain religions are very, very, you know, like, extreme. | ||
| I get it. | ||
| But I'm gonna talk to someone about their ideas and have an argument as an individual and not blame an entire group of people. | ||
| I get it, man. | ||
| And I'll say this, too. | ||
| Obviously, demographics have beliefs and directions. | ||
| But Kanye wasn't talking about that. | ||
| He was saying, they, referring to Jewish people, are trying to take his money and put him in jail. | ||
| And I'm like, dude. | ||
| They are not. | ||
| Some people are. | ||
| The overwhelming majority, 99.99999, don't. | ||
| In fact, I bet a whole bunch of them actually are fans, until you started saying this stuff. | ||
| They was actually, that was the vague moment that everything got heightened and then he left. | ||
| Because I was talking about establishment powers, elites, corporate press, the people who want power, the woke. | ||
| This is the thing. | ||
| When we say woke, they think Jewish people. | ||
|
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Interesting. | |
| Yeah. | ||
| Wait, who's they? | ||
| I think I know who you're believing. | ||
| When Ye and them, like before the show, when I mentioned something about cancel culture, he didn't say woke SJW, he said Jewish people. | ||
| I see. | ||
| And I was like, you don't seriously think that. | ||
| People are kind of creating a demon creature, like the woke mob. | ||
| Like we've kind of created that, or at least I feel like I have inadvertently, that I've created like a demon. | ||
| Because who is it? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
|
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A boogeyman. | |
| Until I see their eyes. | ||
| It's a reference to a cult ideology. | ||
| It's a reference to an idea. | ||
| And I'll even say this. | ||
| I say it all the time, like, I have friends who are leftists and people are like, Tim's lying, it's not true. | ||
| I'm like, no, dude, it's literally true. | ||
| When that tweet went viral where I said that there was a grooming thing at Club Q and that we need to prevent the violence but also stop grooming, they tried claiming that I was promoting Like, this is a funny thing. | ||
| They're like spamming my Wikipedia trying to claim I endorsed this or condone it. | ||
| I'm like, yo, my tweet thread was literally like, stop advocating for violence against people, even the people you hate the most. | ||
| We need law enforcement to handle these things. | ||
| They take it completely out of context. | ||
| When I said that, I have leftist friends who are like, bro, how could you tweet that? | ||
| And I had to talk to them and argue with them and be like, guys, you know that's not what I'm saying. | ||
| And they're like, yeah, but the way it came off. | ||
| And I'm like, well, so be it, dude. | ||
| Like, I literally said, stop calling for violence, stop advocating for violence. | ||
| If you think it's the other way around, then that's you, not me. | ||
| Anyway, you guys want to get any final thoughts before I guess we wrap up? | ||
| Uh, you go first. | ||
|
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No. | |
| Are we gonna go in a circle? | ||
|
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I'll look to Leonard. | |
| Hold the stick. | ||
| I'm good. | ||
| I think we already went around in circles a couple times. | ||
| Yeah, I feel like all I have to say is what I've said at least 57 times, which is like, R.A.P., this really interesting conversation that could have been. | ||
| Is this our outro? | ||
| I wish we knew you. | ||
| I think this is the outro, yeah. | ||
| I'll say, Kanye, come back. | ||
| Come back to pop culture. | ||
| No, just on my show, please. | ||
| His name is Yes. | ||
| I mean, that's the sign for yes. | ||
| But could you imagine? | ||
| Yay or nay? | ||
| Yay was going to go on Pop Culture Crisis 2 with Milo. | ||
| But could you imagine? | ||
| Like, there's a new movie out from Disney. | ||
| Yeah, man, but those Jewish people. | ||
| What? | ||
| Dude, come on. | ||
|
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I, like, bro, we got... I guess it wouldn't have gone very well either way. | |
| We got a few minutes into the show and he went right off. | ||
| Shout out Danny Paula's truck with that tweet. | ||
| You nailed it. | ||
| I can't believe the thing he's been talking about for two months came up on the show. | ||
| Sure, but right away. | ||
| Alright everybody, thanks for hanging out. | ||
| Smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends. | ||
| We do have a behind-the-scenes, uncensored view. | ||
| We filmed them on the trip out here, and then probably storming off. | ||
| And, uh, we're gonna put it up. | ||
| I think we're gonna have it up tomorrow. | ||
| And, um, I think it's- it might be going up as Cast Castle, I'm not sure. | ||
| Uh, like an overt real vlog, I guess. | ||
| Just check everything, man. | ||
| It'll be on the website. | ||
| You'll see it. | ||
| And we're gonna put it up. | ||
| It is what it is. | ||
| And then we'll shout it out, I suppose. | ||
| You can follow the show at Timcast IRL, follow us on Instagram, you can follow me personally at Timcast. | ||
| To the people who stormed in to save the show after the guest stormed off, who wants to shout their stuff out? | ||
| Well, firstly, my gems are not demonic, Milo. | ||
| I see you out there. | ||
| I know you're listening to the show still. | ||
| Thank you for putting your beads on my geometric patterns over there. | ||
| That was Nick. | ||
| That was Nick. | ||
| Thank you, Nick, for doing that. | ||
| And yes, we will talk about fractals next time I see you, Milo. | ||
| Have fun. | ||
| Love you guys. | ||
| See you. | ||
| Bye. | ||
| I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow. | ||
| I'm a writer for TimCast.com and occasionally I suddenly appear in the guest chair. | ||
| You can follow me on Instagram at HannahClaire.B. | ||
| You can find me on other platforms if you put the work in. | ||
| You should follow TimCastNews on Twitter. | ||
| It's the best and you get to hear from all of our journalists including me. | ||
| Chris Burtman, Chris Carr, Cassandra Fairbanks, it's really worth a follow. | ||
| And yeah, and you'll see me tomorrow, not yay, don't worry guys, I'll be there, on Tuesday, A Pop Culture Crisis with Mary. | ||
| Yes, speaking of which, you should go subscribe to Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube, we go live at 3pm every weekday. | ||
| You're laughing at something, Tim. | ||
| Someone sent me the video of what happened, and the look on my face when yay gets up, Your eyes are popping out of your head. | ||
| I was like, another fight? | ||
| And you can follow me on Instagram or Twitter at Mary Archived, that's all. | ||
| Thank you, Ghost Girl. | ||
| If you're looking for the news of what actually happened today, check out youtube.com forward slash we are change. | ||
| I did a story about Balenciaga on my members area, LukeUncensored.com. | ||
| I talk about a lot of different weird stuff on there. | ||
| Check it out, LukeUncensored.com, splurge. | ||
|
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Still a Ye fan, still a Milo fan. | |
| Surge.com, at Surge.com, on Instagram, Twitter, I guess. | ||
| I don't really use it. | ||
| I don't do the bookings here. | ||
| You guys know what it is. | ||
| Tomorrow is gonna be amazing. | ||
|
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Yeah, seriously. | |
| So, Michael already announced this, but Michael Malice is gonna be here, and it's episode 666. | ||
| This is hilarious, because before the show, I was like, you guys are on episode 665. | ||
| And they were like, oh. | ||
| And Ye's like, what does that mean? | ||
| And then Nick was like, one less than 666. | ||
| And he's like, wow. | ||
| And I was like, and tomorrow, it's Michael Malice. | ||
| And they were like, he's a Jewish anarchist. | ||
| Oh, no, he was like, he's Jewish. | ||
| I'm like, no, he's an anarchist. | ||
| And I'm like, and I'm sure Mal's is gonna come on and have like a book's worth of intelligent things say we're big fans. | ||
| Michael, we're excited. | ||
| You're gonna be coming. | ||
|
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Yeah. | |
| All right, everybody. | ||
| We'll see you all tomorrow. | ||
| Thanks for hanging out. |
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