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Nov. 22, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Elon Musk UNBANS THEM ALL, DJT, MTG, Veritas ALL BACK w/Darren Beattie & Mary Morgan
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luke rudkowski
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Elon Musk is unbanning everyone.
tim pool
First, Donald Trump is unbanned.
He has this Twitter poll.
There's this really funny news clip where a guy says, it wasn't the American people who voted, it was Russia.
It was them.
They got Trump reinstated.
These people are starting to realize that their narrative was fiction and it was propped up by the machine.
And now that regular people get to speak, hey, how about that?
They don't actually like the weird world you live in.
Not just Donald Trump, though.
Project Veritas is back.
James Lindsay is back.
Marjorie Taylor Greene is back.
But you know who's not back?
Alex Jones.
So we gotta talk about all this Elon stuff because, uh, look, a lot of it's really, really good.
Overwhelming.
Net positive.
But Elon Musk's refusal to reinstate Alex Jones is making him look like a hypocrite, and I know Elon understands this, so I kinda can't believe him when he says, oh, it's cause I have no mercy for people who exploit children in this way for fame or whatever.
Alex Jones was banned for making fun of Oliver Darcy.
He wasn't banned for saying anything about kids or anything like that, so what's Elon talking about?
Well, let's talk about it.
The pros and the cons.
There's a whole bunch of news to break down as it pertains to Twitter.
Then, of course, we have over in Arizona, the Attorney General is launching an investigation into election irregularities, and the assistant AG is refusing to certify the election.
I have no idea what YouTube thinks of that.
YouTube?
What?
No idea.
I don't know.
How do the rules—I have no idea.
So we'll talk about it anyway!
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Joining us today to talk about all of this and more is Darren Beattie.
darren j beattie
Great to be here.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Who are you?
darren j beattie
I'm the founder-editor of a great news site called revolver.news, which has just published a really bombshell piece on the next FTX scandal, which I hope we'll have a chance to talk about.
tim pool
Yeah, is that Tether?
darren j beattie
Yes.
tim pool
There's been a lot of talk about Tether for a while, but we'll definitely get into that.
That sounds very interesting.
And I'll also mention the last episode we had you on was our biggest episode we ever did for a while, until we had Joe Rogan and Alex Jones at the same time.
But like, come on, having those two guys at the same time, that shouldn't count.
Having you as a single guest and getting, it was like 2.4 million views or something.
darren j beattie
Right, you have to divide it in half.
tim pool
Actually, you know what?
I can tell you this.
Actually, with the live viewership and the VOD stuff we put on Rumble, it actually is still the biggest.
darren j beattie
There you go.
tim pool
Because we had like 300k, so I think it's like, if you were to add the YouTube views from the day plus Rumble, it would be 200k more than the AJ Rogan episode.
darren j beattie
It's all how you count.
tim pool
It's all how you count, it's all how you count.
Alright, right on, man.
Thanks for joining us.
And we're also hanging out with Mary Morgan.
mary morgan
Hello, everyone.
I'm sitting in Ian's seat tonight.
Happy to be here.
tim pool
Who are you?
mary morgan
I'm on Pop Culture Crisis.
unidentified
Ah, yeah.
tim pool
That's a show.
mary morgan
Here at Timcast.
tim pool
That's right.
mary morgan
So you should go subscribe to that.
tim pool
That's a great show.
mary morgan
I think so, too.
luke rudkowski
You know what's another great show?
youtube.com forward slash we are sage.
Anyway, today I come here with one simple message.
Make Orwell fiction again.
It's just getting too real out there.
This is one of the shirts.
This is the message on my shirt.
It's one of the first shirts that we actually got out there to the general public.
It's one of the first ones that kind of went viral.
And I'm wearing it today.
If you want to wear it, you could get it on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
Because you do, this is how you guys support me and my efforts here, so thank you so much for having me.
Splurge?
serge du preez
Back once again.
Hello, Luke.
Hello, Mary.
Good to have you guys here.
mary morgan
Are you okay with the fact that he calls you Splurge?
luke rudkowski
This is Scary Mary.
This is between me and Splurge here, okay?
mary morgan
I didn't know this was a thing.
tim pool
Scary Mary.
serge du preez
I think Luke has a lot of nicknames for everybody here, so I'm cool with it.
luke rudkowski
That means we're friends.
tim pool
Is Lou now?
serge du preez
Yeah, that's right.
luke rudkowski
Call me Lou.
unidentified
That's fine.
tim pool
Lou.
Okay, let's talk about news.
Here's the first story.
Elon Musk's Twitter.
I like how they call it Elon Musk's Twitter.
Reinstates rep Marjorie Taylor Greene.
So this is from the past couple of hours.
Of course, Donald Trump has been reinstated.
Don't know if he's going to come back.
Project Veritas is back.
James Lindsay is back.
Who else is back?
I'm seeing everybody come back.
unidentified
ALX.
serge du preez
Andrew Tate is back.
tim pool
Andrew Tate is back!
Anybody else?
Marjorie Taylor Greene?
serge du preez
Don't know.
tim pool
Elon Musk is just, you think he's going through a list and then just like looking at why they were banned and like okay we'll unban them and like who's this and like unban them.
mary morgan
But the graveyard of suspended accounts is just so large that there's no way to know who's never gonna come back.
tim pool
Well, we're waiting for Sargon, Carl Benjamin, to be unbanned.
mary morgan
Yeah, I was just thinking of him.
serge du preez
Did he get unbanned?
I feel like I saw it today.
Or people were just calling for it.
It blends together.
tim pool
Yeah, I think Michael Malice tweeted out that he should be unbanned.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, there's a bunch of people.
Rick Hader-Lost, still banned.
tim pool
He's still banned.
luke rudkowski
Carrie Wendler, banned.
Dr. Malone, Dr. McCullough.
Anti-Media Freethought Project.
We could keep going.
We could do a whole show just by naming all the people that have disappeared off the face of the internet.
mary morgan
I know Milo said he wouldn't come back to the platform or he wouldn't continue tweeting, but come on, how are you going to resist?
tim pool
Milo has to come back.
mary morgan
I really want him to.
tim pool
Yeah.
What do you think, Darren?
Who needs to come back, and do you think Trump will come back?
darren j beattie
Oh, there are a lot of people that need to come back.
Trump, he desperately wants to, and Elon understands that.
Hence the recent tweets that he sent out expressing the temptation to which Trump is yet to give in.
He's just got to.
He needs to find the right opportunity to do so.
They say there are potential legal complications given his fiduciary responsibilities to Truth Social.
So that has to be worked out.
And as you know, the system will use any opportunity it can get to file another case against Trump.
There are already three or four in the works.
So it's complicated business with Trump.
He wants to, and if we subscribe to the modification of Occam's razor that Elon propounded on Twitter, namely that the most entertaining outcome is the most likely, I think we can all expect Trump to be on there and many more colorful figures to come.
tim pool
We need to pull this meme from Elon Musk.
He tweeted, and lead us not into temptation, and it is the meme of the woman showing her private parts to the monk, and the monk is refusing to look.
The monk, of course, is Donald Trump, and the woman's derriere is Twitter.
So, uh, very good.
There's another one where it's Lois Griffin, all disheveled-looking, looking over at a bottle of prescription pills.
And, uh, uh, I just gotta point out, there's a woman.
She blocked me, though.
She quoted this and then wrote, this is rape culture.
A billionaire promoting rape culture on his platform, and then I was just like, men not wanting to have sex with women who want to is rape now?
I guess?
And then she blocked me for it, so.
darren j beattie
No, but it's actually true.
The rape is actually him not giving in to the temptation.
tim pool
Well, if anything, she's assaulting him!
He's praying, right?
He's minding his own business.
And then she comes along and she pulls up her dress and starts looking at him.
You know, this guy's minding his own business.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he's not being a simp.
Maybe he should be praised.
darren j beattie
Maybe that's what she meant.
luke rudkowski
Simps sink ships, okay?
This is a serious deal here.
So obviously, you know, you're portraying Donald Trump doing the right thing here, right?
tim pool
Maybe that's what she meant.
Maybe I misunderstood.
Maybe she was saying the woman was raping the man.
luke rudkowski
Nowadays it's a little bit confusing.
tim pool
Elon Musk was trying to imply that he was trying to seduce Trump.
luke rudkowski
But it's been nearly three days, and Trump still has the ability to tweet, but yet hasn't done it.
tim pool
He can't.
luke rudkowski
And, I mean, he can't because of financial interests with Truth Social.
So we should explain it in kind of basic form here.
Trump is having the opportunity to make a lot of money with Truth Social, rather than, of course, have a voice on Twitter.
He did make a couple statements a couple months ago saying that he wouldn't return to Twitter, even if Elon Musk would buy it.
Uh, will he return?
I think he has to if he's running, if he's going to be running a successful presidential campaign because there's no other way to get out in front, to get your message across, but most importantly also protect yourself against the incoming attacks and slanders and all the fake news media bullcrap along with the DOJ indictments.
There's no better way to protect yourself than in the court of public day.
Uh, and, and, and that of course means using Twitter.
mary morgan
Will he use it?
tim pool
What's the court of public day?
luke rudkowski
Something I just made up right now.
Court of public light.
Court of public opinion.
Thank you.
mary morgan
Do you think Elon should buy Truth Social then for way more than it's worth?
And then he technically still wins?
tim pool
I got the solution.
Literally.
Seriously.
Donald Trump tweets a sentence with a link to Truth Social which contains the paragraph.
So that way, he's still getting his idea on Twitter, he's maximizing his audience, but he's actually helping Truth Social grow.
I think that's the best thing to do because more competition in this space is good, and if he can build another community, then we never have to worry about monopolistic censorship.
luke rudkowski
From what I read, Truth Social has a six-hour exclusivity window.
And therefore Trump must post on, this is what I read, it could be wrong, but Trump must post on Truth Social, then six hours later he could post the same thing on another social media platform.
And there's exceptions to the rule, like fundraising, so he can post on Twitter according to some of the mainstream media sources out there and their kind of larger agreement with Truth Social.
But at the end of the day, I mean, is he prioritizing money in his platform over this platform?
And will this kind of outcome be in his benefit?
I don't think it will.
mary morgan
Are you saying Truth Social has the possibility of becoming profitable?
Because I don't see that.
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
Yeah, it could be profitable.
mary morgan
Who uses it?
Do any of us at this table use it?
luke rudkowski
No.
tim pool
Well, I have one, and I will say I don't use it, but there's a lot of engagement on it.
It is significant.
Elon's probably trying to steal back that Oh, the users that went over to it?
Yeah, I think Elon saw this as a business opportunity.
He probably was just like, look how many people they've kicked off the platform.
They're losing money because they're bad at business.
I can come in, post some spicy memes, everyone will start screaming and spitting and yelling, they'll all come back, and then we'll go public again in a few years.
darren j beattie
Right.
And there's been a massive influx into Twitter since Trump's count was reinstated.
A massive number.
Look at this.
tim pool
This tweet from Donald Trump from 2011.
I feel sorry for Rosie's new partner in love, whose parents are devastated at the thought of their daughter being with Rosie a true loser.
This history was wiped from existence by Vijayagada and Dorsey.
And with Elon Musk coming in, we get the whole archive of Trump tweets.
darren j beattie
It's a veritable library of Alexandra.
unidentified
A cornucopia of one line of his tweets.
luke rudkowski
There's literal books of his tweets that were being sold on Amazon.
serge du preez
Wow, that's amazing.
mary morgan
I love all of Trump's old tweets telling Robert Pattinson to break up with Kristen Stewart.
I'm looking them up now because I just love him so much.
tim pool
It's amazing!
See, here's the issue.
Even this Trump isn't on Truth Social.
serge du preez
True.
darren j beattie
No.
tim pool
It's not.
Truth Social posts are like paragraphs about like MAGA stuff.
Come on, Donald Trump, call somebody a horse face, right?
We need to bring back the snarky one-liners.
This was hilarious, man.
I can't believe it.
This stuff's 11 years ago.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Trump was sitting there on his golden toilet, just insulting people on his phone, and we all thought it was funny.
serge du preez
Yeah, like 3 in the morning.
mary morgan
Not just insulting people, but like, remember when he posted at his, like, taco bowl?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, that's great.
mary morgan
Like, that's so wholesome.
tim pool
His taco bowl.
mary morgan
There's nothing so lighthearted on the app, is when that went up.
serge du preez
Yeah, bring back Twitter Trump, I guess.
tim pool
Man, all the crazy stuff on Trump's Twitter thread.
We have to go back in time and look at all the archives.
mary morgan
He's not letting me word search anything he's tweeted right now.
tim pool
You know, there have been glitches on Twitter that I've noticed.
Mostly that you'll try and load a tweet, and then it'll say, um, this tweet is unavailable.
luke rudkowski
Or the replies are upside down.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Yeah, that happens so much to me, too.
luke rudkowski
So, like, they usually are below a tweet, but they're above a tweet, and they're in a non-linear order above the tweet.
mary morgan
That happened before they slashed the number of employees.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah.
It's happening a lot more for me.
tim pool
They appear above the tweet.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
mary morgan
Wait, what?
You have to scroll up.
luke rudkowski
And then it's confusing and then it's all messed up and discombobulated.
mary morgan
That doesn't happen to you!
tim pool
If Twitter implodes and is wiped off the face of the earth, I'll take it as a win, too.
Like, you've got this platform that is clearly biased against anyone who opposes the establishment.
Namely conservatives, because Trump came in.
But even anti-war people are getting banned.
So, if Elon Musk tries to fix it, it's a good thing.
If he unbans people, it's a good thing.
This could be... You guys ever hear that stuff?
Is that Pocus?
mary morgan
He's a terrorist.
unidentified
Oh no, baby.
tim pool
Have you guys ever... He's outside the door right there.
Have you ever heard the stories about how, like, someone on their deathbed all of a sudden will become, like, lucid and energized, and they'll sit up and start talking and be totally normal, and you'll be like, oh, they're getting healthy, and then they just die.
You guys ever hear that?
Like, people who are, like, dying and, like, laying on their bed will just one day get up and be like, I'm feeling better, I'd like to see my family.
And then the family will come in, they'll all talk and laugh, and then all of a sudden the person will just, like, like, croak.
Like, it's the body mustering up the last bit of energy to make your final, you know, finish your business and say your goodbyes.
Maybe this is what's happening.
Elon Musk comes in.
We're all like, yay, we feel invigorated again, like it's 2015, 2016, and then the replies flip over and the words start getting jumbled, the tweets stop appearing, and then it's gone.
mary morgan
But it definitely doesn't feel like 2016.
luke rudkowski
And then the microchip goes inside of your head without you even noticing it, without your consent, and then bada bing, bada boom, you're connected to the new WeChat of the United States.
tim pool
Without your consent.
All right, let's talk about whiny celebrities.
We have Rolling Stone.
Jack White quits Twitter, calls Elon Musk's Trump reinstatement a whole move.
Trent Reznor also quit.
Who cares, dude?
You guys aren't part of the conversation.
You're welcome to be part of the conversation.
You weren't part of the conversation, so you cried and left.
So what?
You weren't tweeting anyway.
mary morgan
It's like that meme that's like the big thumbs up.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
mary morgan
We're going to continue with our conversation now.
Thank you.
tim pool
He said, this is straight up you trying to help a fascist have a platform so you can eventually get your tax breaks.
Why are these people so dumb?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Elon paid the most amount of taxes than any American citizen ever in history.
So why?
And who is he accusing of being a fascist?
serge du preez
Yeah, who exactly?
luke rudkowski
Trump?
Trump hasn't tweeted.
It's been three days.
The world hasn't ended.
Like, come on.
People take themselves way too seriously.
tim pool
They're claiming that Elon's forcing them to follow Trump.
luke rudkowski
That's ridiculous.
tim pool
It's not true.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
That's worse than, like, QAnon stuff.
tim pool
They're tweeting, like, not only was Trump reinstated, but I found that I was following him, and I've never followed him, and I have to unfollow him.
And it's like, dude, you followed him.
Come on.
Yeah, we know you did.
luke rudkowski
Who's this guy?
tim pool
Jack White.
mary morgan
The White Stripes.
Seven Nation Army?
Anything?
luke rudkowski
No.
mary morgan
Ring a bell?
unidentified
Okay, cool, cool.
mary morgan
Have you noticed that all of these choogy people use a-hole as their number one insult?
tim pool
A-hole.
mary morgan
It's really cringey.
serge du preez
I don't know why.
I don't know why that word is so particular.
mary morgan
And the way they curse, it just feels like a 13-year-old who hasn't cursed before who's like trying to get away with it.
I don't know.
tim pool
Trent Reznor left too, and I'm just like, and?
serge du preez
Yeah, not very relevant right now.
tim pool
No, I look.
mary morgan
You will not be missed.
luke rudkowski
My favorite was CBS News saying that they're going to be leaving temporarily because of security concerns and then coming back and then still everyone saying, we don't care.
It's like, it's okay.
mary morgan
Especially if you announce it, you won't have the willpower not to come back.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, then they came back.
They came right back just a few days afterwards, a few hours afterwards, and it's like, oh yeah, we're still looking, we're monitoring the situation.
Like, what?
darren j beattie
The thing is, none of these people can really leave, and that's why it's not the last kind of death croak of Twitter, because nothing on the planet has been able to replicate the network effects that Twitter has.
luke rudkowski
True.
darren j beattie
I would be astonished.
It's just too valuable to too many Major stakeholders in the system.
Just recently you had Elon, who by the way, I think he is maybe the first major captain of industry to mock the ADL since the ADL's inception.
That's a first!
It's a major thing.
It's incredible.
And he continued it.
So Israel did a tweet and Elon kind of mocked them too, but in a playful way saying, look, You know, we need more people to tweet.
We need more countries to tweet.
And so if countries are tweeting, you know, it's just, it's too valuable.
It's not like there's this other thing called, what is it called, like, Triceratops?
There's some stupid, like, left-wing version of Twitter that they're trying to do.
luke rudkowski
Mastodon.
darren j beattie
Mastodon.
You can't do that because of the network effects.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Actually, we're learning that Mastodon is quite based, actually.
They're officially telling people, if you have a problem, just block them.
We're not going to ban them.
And they're saying, I saw this woman, she said that she got suspended on Mastodon because she was calling out white people.
And they were like, yeah, it's racism, you're not allowed.
darren j beattie
Was that an actual thing or just like an algorithmic mistake?
tim pool
No, no, someone did it.
And they said that her posting about this was like, she got suspended.
But here's what people don't realize.
Mastodon, it's, they're different servers.
Okay, so it's the Fediverse.
Mastodon is like, I guess OneNote.
I'm not entirely sure how it works.
I'm sure people in chat probably know better.
But basically, when you sign up for it, you pick a server hosted by who knows.
And so they warn you.
This is some random guy's basement.
You don't know what he's doing.
When you sign up for this to get off Twitter, he's got all your data, your password, he's got everything.
And so, people are signing up, and they're thinking, this is gonna be better now.
And there's a mod, there's a viral tweet where he's like, yo, just block people.
We're not banning them, just block them.
Even on Twitter we weren't doing that.
Twitter was banning everybody.
unidentified
Fair enough.
darren j beattie
I think the point stands.
Twitter is something, it's unique.
It's function as a global public square is unique and it has network effects that are also unique.
And for that reason, a lot of stakeholders are going to do everything they can to prevent Elon from going the direction he seems to be going.
And he has a very difficult position.
He needs to exercise a lot of caution.
He needs to approach things with finesse.
And I would say so far, he's done about as well as we could reasonably expect him to do, given what the stakes are and given what he's up against.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, there's a couple hiccups that he deserves to be criticized on legitimately, but you do make a good point, because where else could you see the president of the ADL go after Elon Musk and Elon Musk respond saying, hey, stop defaming me?
Where else could you see Kanye West say, shalom, right?
This hive mind, this online reality is amazing, and the people quitting it, there's a reason they're coming back.
All these people, all these actors, hey, I'm quitting Twitter.
Hey, I'm still quitting Twitter, but I want to make one more post and another post.
And this is again something very similar to what we saw with Neil Young with Spotify.
This is the same thing we saw with all these celebrities saying that they're going to be moving to Canada.
A lot of these people are all talk.
They're all bark, no bite.
And we have to understand, these threats are empty, and they need to be called out as ridiculous, because Twitter is where it's at right now.
It's fun, it's entertaining, and it's where I'm at.
unidentified
It's the old St.
darren j beattie
Augustine, Lord, make me chase, but not yet.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
tim pool
This is amazing.
When Kanye West gets reinstated, people are starting to feel like, I don't have to worry about cancel culture anymore.
I don't have to walk on eggshells.
So what does Kanye tweet?
Shalom.
serge du preez
Hilarious.
tim pool
The ADL, some guy, he tweeted, he's openly mocking us now.
It's like, uh-huh.
So what?
Like, the problem is these people were overly sensitive.
I don't think Kanye West is an anti-Semite.
I think he's probably got some wacky views.
I think he said some silly things.
But I think if you sat down with him and talked to him, you'd understand him, right?
He's not like this caricature of a guy marching around with a hood and a tiki torch or anything like that.
But these people want to say that Libs of TikTok, for instance, by simply tweeting out, I'm sorry, retweeting videos posted by people publicly, she's murdering them.
So there's this viral tweet, I comment on it, where they're like, you know, Libs of TikTok has murdered hundreds of LGBT people by sharing these videos.
And it's like, bro, the videos are public.
Literature Doctor isn't doing anything!
If that's their standard, and people have to abide by those kind of psychotic individuals, they're scared to speak out.
Now, Elon comes in and says, have fun guys, and what are we seeing?
Spicy memes, jokes, trolling, and fun.
serge du preez
Yeah, comedy.
tim pool
And you know what, Jack White?
Well he doesn't like fun.
He says fun is bad.
So he has to leave.
Okay, bye bye.
Go play your music dude, I don't care.
We'll have fun and post spicy memes.
Bring back the meme wars.
darren j beattie
Yeah, it's sad and pathetic.
But yeah, the whole thing about Libs of TikTok killing people that they have this new term that a lot of these kind of midwit mediocrities with master's degrees are talking about, called stochastic terrorism.
tim pool
That's right.
darren j beattie
And it's it's really such a joke concept, but it effectively means that You can't criticize anyone because of the possibility that the criticism would be out there in the ether and some crazy person might attack some kind of affiliated group and then of course you're responsible.
So it's the latest of many censorship predicates.
tim pool
And then the woman behind the libs of TikTok, what's her name?
Chaya?
Is that her name?
She puts stochastic terrorists in her bio and now I'm seeing these leftist journalists be like, she's openly bragging about doing it!
And I'm like, are you kidding me?
Do you really not understand someone being facetious, making fun of you for calling them that?
Or are you intentionally just trying to lie?
You know what, man?
I'm glad Elon bought Twitter because he took over the space and it is nuts to see this.
Like Luke mentioned, telling the president of ADL is like, I can't believe Elon's doing this.
When he had a meeting with us, he promised us.
And then Elon says, stop defaming me.
Like, that's openly mocking them.
But I guess Elon Musk is the definition of F.U.
money.
Just outright.
darren j beattie
We'll see how far it goes.
But so far, I think he deserves credit because there's so many people who you think you would have F.U.
money, but they never use it in that fashion.
And I think Elon is setting an excellent example, stepping into the actual arena, playing for keeps, and seeing where things land.
So, give him major credit and it's only just begun, so we'll see how it unfolds.
tim pool
I think Elon actually tweeted at Trent Reznor, too, or tweeted about him or something.
I don't know.
Jack White posted on Instagram some long diatribe that's not worth reading.
That's not free speech or what the poll decided or whatever nonsense you're claiming to be.
This is straight up you trying to help a fascist have a platform so you can eventually get your tax breaks.
Like, I don't think this guy knows anything about tax law, you know what I mean?
darren j beattie
No, I mean it's the typical sort of like maybe 105 IQ, you know, burned out idiot kind of pseudo clever conspiracy theory.
It's always like some dumb financial incentive that doesn't even make sense if you actually know how these things work.
There's a certain kind of framework for this particular type of accusation.
Um, and I would peg him around 105.
tim pool
Well, let's do this.
That's high for me.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna call out Elon Musk for hypocrisy.
We have this tweet from Schuanhead.
She said, Elon Musk confirms he won't reinstate Alex Jones, however you feel about Alex Jones.
Aside, am I wrong here?
Like, not that there was much, uh, there was much doubt before, but Elon just completely showed his ass.
Elon said, my first born child died in my arms.
I felt his last heartbeat.
I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics, or fame.
Now that's interesting.
Alex Jones was not banned from Twitter for anything related to any kids.
Alex Jones was banned from Twitter because he insulted Oliver Darcy.
Elon, is insulting a reporter a bannable offense?
Okay, ban yourself.
Uh, I'll wait.
Is Elon Musk gonna ban himself?
Is he gonna shut up?
Okay, look, I can respect all of the good things he's done, the people he's unbanned, and I will accept the win.
What I will not accept is... I will say it this way.
It is not victory for the people that we are living beneath the whims of a billionaire.
What is a victory for the people is a clear set of rules, policies, and procedures so we can all fairly understand the rules of the platform.
Elon, it's your platform.
I understand that.
What are the rules?
If you come out and tell me the rule is free speech, I say, you got it, boss.
If you come out and say the rule is, you can't say this, that, or otherwise, I'll say, okay, well, that's dumb, but you got it, boss.
If you come out and tell me the rules are A, but then, oh, by the way, I have special rules for other people.
Well, then your your rules are garbage and completely meaningless.
Now, that's really happening is you're unbanning people you like.
darren j beattie
Well, that's a very interesting point.
But what do you say to this is that what if in practice, in terms of how things cash out,
it's actually maximizes free speech on Twitter to have an arbitrary system rather than to
a system that follows prescribed rules.
Because you'd have to think, what kind of prescribed rules can he get away with?
He could say what he said before, which is that the law of the land in terms of speech will govern speech policy on Twitter, which in the U.S.
would mean First Amendment.
I don't know if that's practical given the implications.
tim pool
I understand that.
So let's say, let's ask where the line is.
Insulting a reporter, is that a bannable offense?
Is that, is that, is that in need of flexibility?
darren j beattie
I think they would all need flexibility, but I think it's easier to think in terms of who would be let back on versus kind of neutral principles that are kind of applied retroactively.
In practice, he can get away with more if he pursues the arbitrary approach.
tim pool
Of course, of course, of course.
darren j beattie
In terms of maximizing free speech on Twitter.
tim pool
And he's giving himself a legal argument here because he's outright saying that for this personal reason he will not be reinstating Alex Jones.
I will stress.
I absolutely feel and sympathize with Elon over this feeling of losing his son.
I mean, it's a horrifying thing to have to experience and I can respect and understand that.
I just don't know what it has to do with Alex Jones insulting a reporter.
Now, if we're going to argue there needs to be some flexibility, sure, but some things are within the bounds of the Overton window and fine.
Insulting a reporter?
You don't get banned for it.
Now, if you're arguing that there's harassment, and what constitutes harassment, okay, now we're dealing with something more difficult.
darren j beattie
Well, I'm saying more that, at this stage at least, in practice, his assessment—and he could very well be right on this—is that he can't get away with allowing Alex Jones on.
And he is probably imprudent, and I think he probably stepped over the line in attacking Jones the way he did, but the reality is probably he couldn't get Jones on.
And that's the cost of doing all the other stuff that he's done.
tim pool
Perhaps.
I understand that, but I'm not going to apologize for Elon.
darren j beattie
Oh, of course not.
tim pool
I will accept the victories, and we're seeing tremendous victories.
It's funny, it's fun, we're laughing, there's jokes, there's memes, and all Elon had to do was not address the issue outright.
Probably the safest thing for him to do is, like, he's not addressed Carl Benjamin.
We all want him unbanned.
He's not addressed Milo.
But he did specifically address Alex, then said he's not going to unban him because he did a thing six years prior to his Twitter ban that offends Elon.
And that right there, I get it.
Maybe he's gonna have a legal argument in the future that clearly shows I will ban whoever I want for whatever reason.
There's no rules whatsoever.
And by doing so, if he does ban you, you can't sue him for breach of contract because he's clearly operating on a whim.
luke rudkowski
I'm happy he's at least telling us where his flawed decision is coming from, because it's an illogical decision that shows you that there's no pathway to redemption, and he's using emotional trauma in order to justify this larger banning for something that Alex Jones has already apologized for, something that Alex Jones is being fined 1.5 billion dollars for, something that of course cost Alex Jones almost everything, but at the end of the day here, if we're going to be punishing people for Using children for their own political gain or fame?
My original response to this was, hey Elon Musk, have you heard of Barack Obama?
The guy who dropped a bomb every 20 minutes for 8 years?
The guy who extra-judiciously assassinated a 16-year-old American citizen?
If we're going to be punishing people for hurting children, we might as well ban the President of the United States!
Let's not even get into Big Pharma!
We don't even have to go into Big Pharma!
tim pool
Hold on there a minute.
Joe Biden out there groping and sniffing kids right now!
You gonna ban him?
luke rudkowski
That's a lot different than dropping a bomb on small children.
tim pool
No, no, no, I get it.
I'm saying Obama's not the president anymore.
So we have that argument.
So ban him, obviously.
And Joe Biden, who's currently the president, is on camera groping and sniffing children.
So how about we have a standard?
Oh, that's the problem.
There's no standard.
mary morgan
Do you think any off-platform behavior warrants a ban?
unidentified
Nope.
luke rudkowski
Well, this is what Jack Conte of, what's it, Patreon?
Yeah.
Argued specifically.
He created this new term, off-platform behavior.
tim pool
Off-platform.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah, off-platform behavior, which is absolutely ridiculous.
Because, again, you're going to arbitrarily say, you did this 10 years ago or 20 years ago.
I don't like that you did this.
tim pool
It's cancel culture.
darren j beattie
It's cancel culture, but again, My personal preference, which I hope ultimately he'll be able to achieve, is the First Amendment standard.
But he's a lot more practical than I think people realize.
And the First Amendment standard, it sounds like something very easily publicly defensible when you put it that way.
But then you say, okay, First Amendment standard means all legal speech.
That means that probably the most banned people on the Internet, like Andrew Anglin has to go on Twitter. I'm for that
because I'm for the First Amendment standard, but as a matter of practical reality, that's a hell of a
lot of incoming that Elon would have right up front. And so what kind of principles can you pick
that would cash out better, at least in this initial stage, than what?
Then don't lie to my face.
tim pool
Then don't lie to me.
luke rudkowski
Don't say you believe in free speech when you don't.
tim pool
Because if the assumption is that, perhaps, he's playing a game of 4D chess, 3D chess, and then he should not have addressed the issue at all.
Because if your argument is he has to to play the game, that means he's virtue signaling.
I don't care for virtue signaling, I don't care for being lied to, and I don't care for petty—I shouldn't say it that way—but I don't care for personalized arguments as to why certain people are below the standards.
darren j beattie
I agree.
I think he shouldn't have gone there and said, oh, you know, use the kid thing.
That was unfortunate and crossed the line.
tim pool
And he clearly doesn't know anything about it.
Sorry to interrupt.
darren j beattie
Right.
No, I agree.
No, I'm totally with you there.
I want the First Amendment standard.
I'm just trying to put myself in Elon's shoes.
And I'm thinking, as much as we want a kind of neutral principled standard such that we can say, well, if you do this, what about this, which is, you know, how fairness operates.
But in terms of The result, the kind of consequentialist view of it, is that he can actually probably maximize free speech more if he does virtue signal a little bit, at least in these early stages.
tim pool
There was something infuriating about Jack Dorsey and Vijay Agade lying to your face when you were like, hey, why was this person banned and why wasn't this person?
When you'd say something like, hey, look, here's an Antifa account advocating for instructing violence and they go, oh well it's a mistake.
And then they still won't take it down.
When they tell you, we're working on it, there will be a path to redemption,
I hear what you're saying, we're gonna try and fix it.
It's frustrating because you know they're lying to you.
It's even worse when it's a billionaire who just says, too bad.
Like, it's one thing to be like, I can hold on to that 1% hope that Jack Dorsey means it
when he says, we're gonna find a way to get people back on the platform,
we gotta figure out how to do it.
It's another thing when Elon Musk is like, I bought it, it's mine, too bad, there's no rules, I can do whatever I want.
luke rudkowski
We can't trust him on this.
What makes you think we can't trust him on other issues as well?
This brings a lot of doubt and speculation, because he's acting on emotion rather than morals and virtues.
Rather than saying, hey, I believe in free speech.
That means speech for people I despise.
He says, no, I don't like him.
But Elon, have you heard of a thing called Epstein's Island?
There's a former president there that used to attend Bill Clinton.
He's also on your platform right now.
If you care about children and children being heard now, We should be going after him, but he's not.
And having this kind of made-up scenario where you say, he's okay, but he's not good, based off your own emotional trauma, is not something that gives me a lot of hope in this platform moving forward.
darren j beattie
So we all agree that the First Amendment should be the ultimate standard?
luke rudkowski
Free speech?
tim pool
No.
I disagree.
luke rudkowski
You disagree?
I think even higher principles.
tim pool
For Twitter, I disagree.
And on one issue, doxing.
Okay. There's probably, uh, the First Amendment doesn't cover criminal acts. There's, there's
challenges to whether or not something can be deemed, uh, criminal of its speech. So.
darren j beattie
So First Amendment minus doxing.
tim pool
Not necessarily. So listen, uh, the first, some people are free speech absolutists.
They believe that words can never be criminal no matter what you said.
That means literally, they think, incitement to violence and instruction on how to do horrible things.
And there's an interesting point there.
If we argue that there is criminal speech in any capacity, we're arguing Congress can pass a statutory law criminalizing speech.
That makes no sense, right?
So the Supreme Court upholds basically that if you incite violence, that is not protected by the First Amendment.
And my question is, I understand that.
I understand the arguments.
But how does that make sense?
Congress isn't making the law.
The Supreme Court just said, as we interpret what the First Amendment is supposed to mean, we've carved out an exception.
The Founding Fathers didn't carve out an exception.
So there's an interesting argument there because if we do agree that incitement to violence is criminal and not free speech, what happens if Congress or the Supreme Court, what happens if the Supreme Court, for instance, rules that actually hate speech is incitement because of stochastic terrorism?
Are we going to continue to allow the courts to decide that there are more, larger and larger limits to speech?
darren j beattie
So I don't know that, ultimately... So you're saying the First Amendment standard is not good enough because it's subject to future kind of modifications from the Supreme Court's sort of interpretive development?
tim pool
Because the First Amendment could be argued to mean you can incite to violence.
And so there's limits beyond.
So my point is this.
In the future, the Supreme Court may rule that doxing someone is not free expression.
It's actually an attack against or something, it's a violation of someone's privacy and thus criminal.
It would be interesting if Congress ruled that posting someone's private information, this may be a court that has, a case that has to be adjudicated actually, if Congress tries passing a law saying posting someone's private home details or private information, phone number, contact, etc.
Without their permission constitutes a crime.
The Supreme Court's going to have to determine whether or not that violates free speech, because posting someone's address doesn't really express your political opinion or views.
And that's an argument some people make about what free speech is.
Anyway, I don't want to make it overly complicated.
The First Amendment is an easy thing to say, but we really do need bullet point breakdown of what is okay and what isn't.
Gab, for instance, I believe bans doxing.
darren j beattie
Okay.
tim pool
And that's free speech.
You could walk around with a big old sign with someone's address on it, but on Gab you can't do that.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
I don't think you should be allowed to post someone's private details.
I don't think there should be permanent bans for these things, however, because, you know, I argued this to Jack Dorsey, there are people who commit murder and they get out in 25 years.
darren j beattie
Sure.
tim pool
There's a guy who, you know, posted a nasty meme and you've permanently removed his ability to speak in the public square.
darren j beattie
There's no redemption according to the theology of cancellation.
tim pool
I just want to point out the Clinton Global Initiative is on Twitter.
You know?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, there's a lot of war criminals and monsters.
There's, you know, terrorist organizations that are on there openly using the platform without any kind of problems when Twitter, a couple years ago, was looking at, of course, right-wing talking points that they needed to censor and take down.
It's crazy, because this is a very important issue, and we can't underplay it, because yes, I mean, we got to celebrate our victories.
Elon did incredible things on banning a lot of important people that were punished for their political speech, but if you're going to continue the punishment based on your own kind of made-up standards, that's something that doesn't give me hope.
That's something that I think a lot of people should be skeptical of, and I think that's something that a lot of people should be criticizing him on, because obviously it doesn't stand with any kind of virtue.
tim pool
Let's pull up this tweet here.
Now I'm not sure if this is confirmed or not.
I don't know.
But you guys have probably seen it all over the place.
This is from Stuxx on Mastodon.
He says, What's it with people reporting every single person they don't like?
Please stop with that.
This is not Twitter.
Please use features like mute or block if you don't like people, but stop reporting, otherwise I'll start banning people who keep reporting for nothing.
I'm trying to keep things running with so many new people, and it's such a waste of time to hear whatever you don't like.
Otherwise, go waste Elon's time, not mine.
Elon Musk tweeted, please hall monitors, go on someone else's platform.
It was Nate Silver who said that he thinks Mastodon is a honeypot for the hall monitor types.
All of these people on Twitter who report everything and won't shut up!
are leaving and going to Mastodon and all Spider-Man meme pointing at each other and we're all having a good time.
It's like there's a party going on and they left.
So, you know, I'll take it.
mary morgan
How many employees have been slashed so far at Twitter?
Are there enough to the point where like they don't have as many moderators?
tim pool
No moderators.
mary morgan
None?
unidentified
Not a lot?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure their moderation team's gone.
mary morgan
They've got to have some people.
Because they've now streamlined the process for reporting child exploitation materials, which I have been waiting for them to do for so long because they made it unnecessarily difficult.
You had to go through on the desktop version and go through a longer process to do that.
So they streamlined that process.
They have to have a good moderation team to keep up with that and there's been I've seen reports that
they're doing a crackdown on child exploitation on the platform. Yeah, he's number one
tim pool
priority he said.
mary morgan
But you can't do that without moderators.
tim pool
That's true, good point.
mary morgan
I mean, before, the moderators were just acting like demagogues about, you know... If you were having a conversation with someone and you weren't being academic enough in your language, then you would get banned, pretty much.
unidentified
Right, that's how it is.
mary morgan
You're just at the mercy of any random individual that comes across this.
tim pool
Let me say real quick.
Since the Beginning of the election month or whatever like October and then we're getting into November all of my videos pertaining to election issues have been demonetized for fake reasons and It's it costs a lot of money it really does like getting getting you know when you when you know I cut down the amount of videos I do I went from what was I doing like six to three and
Having one, it's bad.
It's a lot of money.
And what happens is I'll get the yellow dollar sign and then I'll request review, which takes a day.
You get all the views in your day, then you get no money.
If it is confirmed, like the next day it'll say, confirmed demonetized by manual review, and it will say, harmful or dangerous activity.
And it's me reading a poll.
And being like, the polls are in, and they say this, that, and then I gotta call Google, and then they're like, whoops, that was an accident, let's fix it for you.
And I'm like, who are you employing, who's lying on all of, they're clearly leftists.
luke rudkowski
Well, it happens to every one of my videos, but I have no one to call.
So, like, you saw my stats.
You saw my income.
It's absolutely insane what's happening on my YouTube channel.
But to answer your question, there's also a lot of third-party companies, usually a lot of international workers that get hired to do a lot of this moderation.
Some of the moderation is done in-house, but a lot of it is done through, of course, other private companies in Africa, in Asia, where, of course, the labor there is a lot cheaper.
And this has been documented many times, even with Project Veritas.
Project Veritas even released an expose talking about how Twitter employees were paid to view at everything, including private messages, people's posts, how Twitter engineers were there to, of course, implement shadow banning.
This is Project Veritas talking to Twitter engineers that were bragging about having Trump's private DM messages and were threatening to release them.
Again, when we look at that content moderation, when we look at the destruction of speech, we have so much power by so many few individuals that absolutely use it and abuse it for the worst sinister political purposes.
And if you dare to speak outside of the established narratives, you're going to get punished.
You're going to get screwed over.
And that's exactly what's happening to my YouTube channel in such an extensive way.
darren j beattie
There's another dimension of demonetization that is very relevant to Elon's predicament with Twitter, and that is the latest scam of brand safety, which is basically like a mafia shakedown.
Because in some cases they have third world imports, in some cases they just have regular people.
But What they do is they basically tell these advertising agencies, they say, you know, your advertisement with this site is really inappropriate for your brand.
I think you should reconsider.
And if you don't, it would be a shame if something happened to you.
And they have a whole infrastructure in place to make good on their threat.
And so It really is.
It's a typical mob shakedown.
The basic framework hasn't changed, but they sell it as brand safety, meaning your brand is in danger if you don't do exactly what we say and stop advertising with this website that we don't like and we object to, no matter how much money it's making you and no matter how much the audience actually likes the content on that website.
And it happens on a large scale.
That's exactly the type of shakedown that's happening on Twitter now.
And I bet you that our good friend Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL is hard at work making sure that these potential advertisers and current advertisers are sufficiently intimidated.
But it happens on a smaller scale too, to a wide range of sites that distribute content that the regime finds objectionable.
mary morgan
Including yours?
darren j beattie
Including mine in a very big way. I have one stalker woman who's absolutely obsessed with me.
Every time we get some kind of new ad arrangement, she has a tweet thread about it.
It's really pathetic.
mary morgan
Is she a blue check?
darren j beattie
I don't know about that.
I don't know what her cast is.
tim pool
I don't want to give her attention by saying her name, but we can talk about her.
But this woman, and I think it's the same person, went after a weather network.
There's a cable channel that does nothing but weather and this leftist woman started like tweeting about it and she's well like a lot of these amount of followers her friends in media write up her stories and then she's actually getting advertisers to pull off a weather reporting station and it's like the only thing on the screen is it says like weather it's like raining in Texas. Like, but the sad thing is, the sad thing
darren j beattie
is how easily so many people cave because usually their liaison, their point of contact at
these companies is like some 20 something woman who is ideologically aligned. And even
if not, all these unsophisticated people need to hear is the phrase conspiracy theory or, you know,
Trump or something like that.
And automatically is like, okay, bad danger. You know, that's all I need to hear.
unidentified
Or even worse, an older woman without a family that is there to complain as well.
luke rudkowski
really got or or even worse than older woman without a family that is there to
unidentified
complain as well so what could be worse intimidation campaign is the same thing
mary morgan
that happened with the YouTube ad pocalypse Is that what you're saying?
unidentified
That was the Wall Street Journal.
mary morgan
They're saying, oh, the brands who are advertising mid-rolls on YouTube can't rely on whether the YouTube channels they're advertised next to reflect their brand values.
And I always thought that was ridiculous on its face because YouTube channels, including this one, are brands, they're companies in and of themselves, and they deserve to, you know, have advertisers that align with their values, right?
luke rudkowski
But let's not forget, at the end of the day, advertisers have a choice to not advertise with certain creators.
You could go, as an advertiser, and you could go into the Google settings and say, I don't like Alex Jones.
I don't like my look.
mary morgan
You can choose those.
luke rudkowski
You could choose who you advertise with and not.
And as a content creator, I could say, hey, I don't want any advertisements for the U.S.
military.
I don't want McDonald's advertisements.
I don't want these kind of politicians and these kind of ads associated with my brand.
And I could do that.
Just like Mastodon is complaining right now.
Yes, you can.
I used to be able to do that.
And I used to say, I don't want any McDonald's ads.
I don't want any... You still do that?
tim pool
don't you start this on youtube on google on google yeah on your website you mean
luke rudkowski
uh... no no no on on google there was a setting i remember doing this for you
youtube channel i remember doing this a few years ago saying i don't want to
advertise with i don't want these advertisers on my youtube channel i don't know how to do that
unidentified
i i i could show you uh... at the end of the day That's only fair, right?
luke rudkowski
But it's fair, exactly.
But we don't hear about this.
A lot of people don't know that advertisers have a choice.
And if they find someone despicable or they don't want anyone tied in with their associate, they don't have to have it.
They already have the infrastructure there.
tim pool
That's not why they're pulling ads.
They're pulling ads because the far left marches around with bricks and conservatives sit in there, lazy boys, complaining.
That's it.
So, until law enforcement, the solution, and it's why they wanted to fund the police, partly why, law enforcement needs to stop these people, and we need to develop some kind of system, and it's tough, I know it is, the easiest example is storefronts in Berkeley will put up all the leftist signs in their window because they know if someone throws a brick through their window, the cops can't do anything about it.
Like, your car can get stolen.
Good luck!
The cop's gonna be like, well, We'll write down the license plate, and if we see it, we'll let you know.
But if you've got something like a bike, your bike's gone.
If you've got something like a moped, your moped is gone.
It gets stolen, the cops show up and say, what do you want us to do about it?
So if you piss off the far left, who are psychotic, violent individuals, and they start harassing your neighbor, the cops are going to be like, what do you want us to do about it?
So what do they do?
They say, look, Dave Rubin is not going to march.
This is the example I love giving.
Dave Rubin is never going to march to Twitter HQ to complain about the censorship.
He's never going to march with a bunch of classical liberals carrying torches to YouTube HQ to say no more censorship.
He's going to go and he's going to complain about it, and that's all he's going to do.
Antifa will literally throw up with crowbars and beat the crap out of people.
That terrifies them, so they say, I know who to avoid and who to cater to.
So these big brands, when they hear that far leftists are attacking them, they immediately say, guys, red alert, do whatever they say, and they'll go away.
That's it.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how Elon Musk kind of navigates this very changing media advertising landscape, because right now, just a couple of minutes ago, he's promising Twitter being a good video platform that's going to offer, quote, according to Elon Musk, higher compensation for creators than YouTube.
So this is something that Elon Musk just tweeted a couple moments ago, responding to Mr. Beast.
How is he going to be doing that, specifically with so many advertisers boycotting him?
Will there be other advertisers?
And also, by and large, advertisers are pulling back, naturally, not because of cancer culture, but because of the way that the economy is just being absolutely screwed over right now.
Just how poorly it's doing right now, compared to everything else.
tim pool
I think Sargon got unbanned.
luke rudkowski
I think Rakeda and Sargon got unbanned during the show.
tim pool
Carl Benjamin is back!
unidentified
Wow, dude, it's been so long!
tim pool
Wow, that's amazing.
luke rudkowski
This is what people in the chat are saying right now.
tim pool
We got a super chat.
Someone just said it.
I had to announce it.
Carl's awesome.
He's a good friend.
He helped me actually get all this stuff rolling.
When I started doing YouTube full-time, he hit me up and asked me if I would do a guest spot on his channel.
He had, like, 300,000 subscribers.
I had, like, 40.
And I was like, yeah, for sure, man.
I made a video.
Ended up getting hundreds of thousands of hits.
All of a sudden, I gained a whole bunch of subscribers, and it helped get the ball rolling.
So, very grateful to Carl Benjamin.
He's a good dude.
He hosts Lotus Eaters Podcast.
Glad to see that he's been restored, finally, after all these years to Twitter.
Oh, man.
This'll be fun.
Apparently, Rekito Law was, like, literally during the show, so... Yeah, no, just right now, people are saying, uh, that, uh, that they're back.
serge du preez
Great.
tim pool
This is amazing.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
So, uh, look, I'll, I'll... Elon, man.
Win's a win.
I'll take it.
I'm not, I'm not gonna ignore the problems I see with the Alex Jones stuff, but I will stress it again.
Hey, man, like, this is a huge victory, so take what you can get, I suppose, and, uh, and I'll roll with it.
I will say this now, too.
There's a tough question about, do we give Elon the $8?
I'm leaning towards yes, because I said if he freed the political prisoners, I would sign up, because I want the features, it's all good stuff, and I want to see Twitter succeed.
They deleted my ad campaign.
I tried advertising the SuperMAGA shirt, it's where Trump's going super saiyan, and they said it was political, you can't do it.
I said, okay.
So I tried doing the rooster shirt, and the ad ran for like four hours, and then they took it down saying it was inappropriate.
Elon, I'm trying to give you money, man.
Like, what's going on here?
luke rudkowski
We nerd jokes.
unidentified
It's a rooster.
tim pool
It says stand your ground.
I thought it was cool.
I'm like, okay, I'll try this, but anyway.
I think the Alex Jones thing is unfortunate, and I think Elon's wrong, for everything we described.
But I'm gonna take this win, and we gotta see Twitter make it.
So I think it's time to sign up.
We already got Tim Cass News signed up.
We'll get our other accounts, we'll get Pop Culture Crisis verified, we'll get all our business accounts verified.
I think unbanning Sargon, for me, is kind of like, oh wow.
He's a personal friend.
That says a lot.
serge du preez
We also now know exactly why Alex Jones isn't coming back.
At least Elon's clarified his reasons for not having him on the platform, whether they're legit or not.
mary morgan
I'm not so sure he doesn't have ulterior motives.
And he's just saying that he has this motive that's close to his heart.
luke rudkowski
Like 4D chess, you mean?
mary morgan
Yeah, I don't know.
luke rudkowski
What would be the game there?
mary morgan
I have no idea.
luke rudkowski
He gives up the Alex Jones pawn, but what other pawn does he get?
mary morgan
Who's more powerful than Elon Musk that can threaten him financially?
luke rudkowski
He has a very interesting conflict with Bill Gates, which I think is fascinating to see unfold.
And Tim, you bring up a good question.
It does kind of bring down a different kind of paradigm here.
Do you support him for doing all this good when he did this one thing that's bad?
It's a tough call for a lot of people, but I'm kind of leaning on, like, hey, he freed a lot of political prisoners.
He's given them a lot of voices, and for me, I think that's worth eight bucks.
mary morgan
It's a girlfriend, probably.
Elon Musk has some girlfriend on the side who's, like, telling him you can't unban Alex Jones.
That must be it.
That's more likely than anything.
luke rudkowski
I don't think so.
mary morgan
Women have powerful persuasion.
tim pool
I'm trying to get the tweets to load on Sargon's.
luke rudkowski
Over betas.
tim pool
I don't see any tweets on Sargon's account.
luke rudkowski
I think people are saying in the comment section that he's still sleeping.
tim pool
No, I mean like his old tweets aren't back either.
But I can seize a count.
mary morgan
It might just be a glitch, though.
tim pool
Yeah, because it's like whenever they unban you, it slowly comes back.
luke rudkowski
Rick Kada only has a couple thousand followers, but they're slowly getting back.
A lot of people were saying that when Trump was back, people weren't allowed to follow him, but that usually was happened when people were reinstated.
It took a while until all their followers and everything kind of came back to normal.
mary morgan
I wonder if he's going to unban people who evaded suspension and made new counts, like over and over again.
tim pool
It's been like five years, I think, since Sargon got banned, right?
serge du preez
Yeah, it's like one of the first.
mary morgan
And he never made another account.
serge du preez
Don't think so.
luke rudkowski
Well, that's a gray zone there.
tim pool
Yeah, I'll just leave it at that.
mary morgan
They were impersonating him.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next tweet because, my friends, we're gonna have fun.
Lauren Chen tweeted, Twitter before Elon versus Twitter after Elon.
The before picture, it's all women.
The after picture, it's all men.
Yeah, but there's like a woman right there, and there's like a woman right there.
That might be a woman right there.
I'm not sure, but it looks like two.
Over here, I think there's like six guys.
There's like one, two, three.
luke rudkowski
Lots of soy, boys.
unidentified
Four, five, six.
tim pool
Is that six?
One, two, three, four, five, six.
mary morgan
The soy is palpable.
serge du preez
Seven?
luke rudkowski
You can smell and taste the soy.
mary morgan
Just imagine the stench.
tim pool
Okay, so here's the thing.
I tweeted, Elon didn't fire women.
He asked who wanted to work hard.
LMFAO.
Because he put out this email where he was like, everybody, we're all going to be working really, really hard.
If you don't want to stay, then take a three month severance and get out.
And then these are the guys who stayed late with Elon.
However, There was a fact check.
Oh, the fact check, I guess, has been removed.
The birdwatch thing got taken down.
And it said that it's not a before and after.
It's just the comms team versus the engineering team, which also made me laugh because, once again, it shows a very clear difference between males and females on the issue.
The women are subject-oriented.
The males are object-oriented.
But the truth is, it is.
This image of all these women is from a tweet where a woman at Twitter says, I'm leaving on November 4th.
I'm quitting.
So it quite literally is a woman being like, it's been fun.
I quit.
Here's a picture of my team.
And then the picture of all the guys being like, we're staying until 2am to do hard work.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, my response to this tweet was, the women on the left better learn to code automatically.
And you do see a big, clear kind of difference.
And obviously, there are different teams.
And to answer your question, Mary, specifically, the misinformation team is gone, but the moderation team is still there.
So there are a lot of people who have different kind of Political belief systems that are aligned usually with their genders.
We saw and their kind of relationships.
We saw during these latest midterms that one of the biggest voting blocks that voted for the Democrats were women that didn't have a partner.
And those were people that came out and voted more than they previously have before.
So clearly there is a big kind of political shift in difference between these two pictures as well, and I think it's pretty clear to see the difference demonstrated.
mary morgan
You can't leave these chicks to their own devices, clearly.
Leads to disaster every time.
darren j beattie
Oh man.
mary morgan
I bet they feel aggrieved right now.
tim pool
Agreed.
I did a segment on this, I was talking about how 56% of women prefer to be in the workforce, according to Gallup.
56?
mary morgan
56%.
That's actually not that many.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
They were like an all-time high, 56%, and I'm like, you're telling me that half of women don't want to be at work?
mary morgan
Plus, the women who report that they want to be in the workforce, but actually don't, That's probably a huge percentage as well.
tim pool
Socially driven, subject oriented, etc.
There's going to be a lot of women who are like, I, is it Boga's yelling again?
mary morgan
He's still yelling.
unidentified
Yeah.
I feel bad for him.
tim pool
The cat is at the studio door yelling because he wants to come in.
mary morgan
Should I let him in?
luke rudkowski
No.
Absolutely not.
unidentified
Why?
luke rudkowski
Because the son of a gun woke me up at seven o'clock in the morning.
I'm pissed at him.
And he is, he is, it's an aged terrorist cat.
He was just hungry.
tim pool
What are you talking about?
luke rudkowski
He's a cat!
Cat AIDS.
unidentified
What?
luke rudkowski
Cat AIDS and taxoplasmosis is real, and I just don't get along with that cat.
mary morgan
I have toxo.
tim pool
Bogus is super nice.
luke rudkowski
No, he's not.
tim pool
Everybody loves him.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely not.
mary morgan
We all love him.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely not.
Yeah.
Anyway, about these women here.
mary morgan
What were we talking about?
unidentified
Oh yeah, I was wondering also- Cat ladies, thank you.
luke rudkowski
Paxoplasmosis, a real thing.
mary morgan
I want to know how many mothers report wanting to stay in the workforce.
It's probably an even lower number.
serge du preez
Once they've started working.
tim pool
I don't know, it's funny because we did a segment on this, and the Young Turks did a segment mocking me, saying like, you know, I said, of the women that probably don't want- I can't remember exactly what I said, but I said there are probably some women somewhere who say they want to work but don't.
And I was like, very vague with it, and I was like, they're gonna be unhappy if they don't have families.
And then Young Turks did this huge segment where they were like, Tim Pool thinks women want to be stay-at-home wives or whatever, and I'm like, yo, Gallup says they do!
Like, does half of women do?
But the reason I bring that up is because before COVID, the amount of men that were stay-at-home dads, 1 to 5%.
That's ridiculously low relative to women.
So guys want to be out in the workforce.
Women prefer to be at home, working at home, because it's... This is the craziest thing to me.
This idea that, like, taking care of a house and kids isn't work.
All of a sudden now it's like, do you want to be at work or stay at home?
It's like, well, they're both work, you know what I mean?
mary morgan
Because it's only work if it benefits some third party conglomerate, basically.
tim pool
Right, yeah.
darren j beattie
Just a quick observation about this picture now that I'm looking at it.
It really, it represents a different dimension, according to which Musk is challenging the system.
Because there's the free speech dimension we're talking about, but also like when you really think about how major corporations are structured, It's actually borderline illegal to have a corporation that's set up to maximize efficiency and output.
luke rudkowski
In California?
darren j beattie
It's borderline illegal even at a national level.
luke rudkowski
It is illegal in California now.
darren j beattie
It's illegal.
But it goes to show, on one hand, you can look at the left side of the picture and say, probably useless.
It's maybe a, you know, the project It's the project manager massacre, you could call it.
But on the other hand, there are so many useless people that companies are somewhat obliged to hire in order to shield themselves from a whole range of legal liabilities that have been sort of built into the nexus between the corporate economic structure and the legal structure.
And so there's this weird sort of phantom utility to having all of this dead weight in a
company simply as legal protection and political protection from precisely these third-party
NGO ADL-type rackets that exist to shake down your company.
luke rudkowski
And a lot of people, a lot of these people don't work.
We saw it from the TikTok videos.
They're like, oh yeah, we're going for our morning mimosas and then we're going to support the African-American owned business, the vegan restaurant downstairs that caters for us.
All the caterers are supposed to be there for us, but the office is empty.
Wonder why?
tim pool
You wanna pull this up?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So this is, uh... I don't wanna play too loud.
A tale of two different realities.
Check out this video.
unidentified
Welcome to a day in my life as a Twitter employee.
Two guys on the right.
tim pool
I don't know what they're doing.
luke rudkowski
They're covered in... It's an oil rig.
tim pool
It's an oil rig.
serge du preez
They're just gonna add pipe or take pipe away as it goes down.
tim pool
Oh, that's what they're doing.
luke rudkowski
That's what the guys do.
serge du preez
Looks like they're really good at it.
Look at that.
tim pool
They're covered in filth of some sort.
unidentified
I'm going to my little work pod.
tim pool
And on the left, it's a woman who's talking about going to her little booth and getting smoothies and eating her charcuterie boards and having her wines and living a yucky lifestyle and having her little meditation booth.
The world on the left is only possible because of the world on the right.
luke rudkowski
Foosball!
unidentified
Yay!
We get to play foosball!
serge du preez
Oh, now she can get her safe space.
Look at that.
luke rudkowski
This is my farting room.
unidentified
I go in there and I... Yoga mats.
luke rudkowski
Oh, yeah, because I yoga.
tim pool
Yo, it's so disgusting seeing what these companies are.
And I've seen them firsthand.
I've been to Google HQ.
I've been to their San Francisco and New York offices, their LA offices.
It is absolutely insane.
It is daycare.
I can't even begin to describe it.
Having come from a life where I've had, look at that, wine dispenser, a red wine dispenser for a plastic cup while these guys work in the oil rig.
serge du preez
On the roof, wow.
Can you get better?
tim pool
What can we do to get all these people fired from their jobs?
luke rudkowski
I think Elon just did it.
mary morgan
Get them pregnant.
Get them pregnant.
luke rudkowski
No, they're just gonna go get abortions.
unidentified
Paid for by the company.
luke rudkowski
Paid for by Elon Musk.
Elon Musk is allowing employees to get paid abortions and is paying for their travel.
So Elon Musk is a part of this.
serge du preez
He's funding it?
luke rudkowski
Yes, Elon Musk is funding his employees to go out of state to get abortions.
serge du preez
That's amazing.
luke rudkowski
So again, I mean it's a corporate... Fact check on that?
Yeah, go fact check it right now!
tim pool
It's Tesla, right?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Tesla specifically, but this is probably also going to be the same policy in California because in California it's probably mandated by law.
mary morgan
Women's ability to create and sustain life definitely makes them weaker in the workforce and you either have policies like that or you're gonna hire women less.
darren j beattie
You wonder also how much, what function these project managers' types are really serving.
There's the sort of legal shield, and there's also the morale question.
You know, maybe they're just kind of giving those guys on the right side of the picture something to look at after a hard four-hour coding session.
tim pool
Oh no, hold on, hold on.
That was inappropriate, Darren.
Four-hour coding session?
These people don't code.
And four hours is way too much time for them.
These are like... They might break a nail.
darren j beattie
No, no, I'm talking about the right side of the picture with all of the engineer guys.
Maybe the project managers are there for morale.
serge du preez
They're like the pinups.
mary morgan
That's so true.
unidentified
Yeah, you know that... Because they don't have wives to come home to.
tim pool
And those guys on the right, they wouldn't be able to do all that hard piping work if it wasn't for those Twitter employees.
darren j beattie
You see, the project managers go there for the smoothies, but the project managers are the smoothies for the coding team.
tim pool
That's so actually true.
The way I was describing it earlier is that the most important role, in my opinion, is the stay-at-home mom, or stay-at-home dad if the dad's doing it, but the person who's actually protecting and taking care of the family.
Because if a guy were to go out and fight a bear with his own hands and take it down, the question is, for what purpose?
If he has no family, he has no one to protect, so what's the point of fighting the bear?
If he's able to just take care of himself, he can eat badger, rabbit, and whatever else.
He wouldn't be able to actually eat the bear.
So the great conquests of the man who's going out and working hard is only for the family, and if there's no one there to actually help protect his family, then what's the point?
luke rudkowski
Raising the family is the most important job you could have in our society, or who else is going to be raising them?
tim pool
But they make it disrespectful.
So like, when I say something like, half of women would prefer to be at home, the left gets offended by it.
How dare you?
We would be better served working $50,000 a year jobs for some multi-millionaire in his factory.
Okay, okay, I guess.
I don't think so.
I think you'd be better served raising kids and having a family and teaching human beings to exist.
luke rudkowski
But that's not what the state and central controllers want.
They want a bigger tax base.
They want a bigger base of sheep.
They want people that don't get to raise their children, so the indoctrination centers get to raise them.
So the big social tech media platforms get to raise them.
So the televisions, the boob tubes, get to raise them.
And when, of course, you have children raised by the state, you have Better sheep.
And that's, of course, what they're also looking for, in my opinion.
mary morgan
Better that you don't have children at all, though.
You're just the last of your line of progeny.
luke rudkowski
I disagree, especially with the upcoming population collapse that's going to be coming and destroying and wrecking havoc on civilization, which Elon Musk also talks about as well.
unidentified
No, I don't think that.
mary morgan
I'm just saying the corporations— I think the people should be having children.
No, I do, too.
I'm saying the corporations would rather you not have children at all than indoctrinate your children.
Less trouble for them.
tim pool
I think I'm going to take a class on how to build an electric motor.
Just because if there is a population collapse.
You know, I'll stop and I'll rephrase it.
Population collapse is a terrifying thing.
If you think about it.
The only reason I have a cell phone right now that can pull up videos and do all this crazy stuff is because there's tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people who know how to do each and every one of these little things to make it, right?
There's a person who mines the raw materials, the rare earths, the metals.
There's a company that makes the glass.
It's not like Apple makes it or Android makes it.
Then there's a company that makes the chips.
There's a company that makes the cameras.
It all comes together into this device.
If the glass company ceases to exist, touchscreens are gone.
Like what do you get?
Plastic screen maybe with buttons.
If the rare earths are gone, well now we gotta source them from somewhere else, we can't get that.
If we lose access to these specialty positions, I'll tell you, if there's a population collapse, we will lose more than people realize because it is only because of the massive population that we're able to have such highly refined and powerful tools.
Specialties, as there's more and more people, there's finer and finer specialties.
You go back 500 years.
Actually, you go back thousands of years, it was possible to, as a single person, to know everything humans knew.
Just being one person, like, because there was so little knowledge.
Now there's so much knowledge, there's no way one person could actually manufacture a cell phone by themselves, let alone a toaster.
That famous TED talk where a guy says, I tried to make a toaster from scratch.
This is what it'll be like if population collapse happens.
It'll be a hundred years from now.
You'll have a kid, and you'll be telling a story about how we used to have small devices.
They were like cards.
And you'd touch it, and you could make images appear.
You could control people on the screen.
You could move around.
You knew where it was raining around the world.
You could talk to anyone around the planet.
Those kids are going to be like, that's magic.
You're gonna be an old person, like, I swear, we had this thing, and you just, look!
And there'll be, like, relics of it, and the kids are like, how do you even use it?
How does it even turn on?
You're like, well, the network's gone, the technology's gone, we lost it all.
Yeah, forget about that.
And to them, they'll hear the story, and then they'll tell their kids, magic.
And then in 50 years, 60 years, the kids are gonna be like, they used to believe in magic.
So dumb.
serge du preez
Yeah, I know.
luke rudkowski
Forget about the luxuries.
The medical implications are also going to be very vast, because there's not going to be enough young people to take care of the old people.
There's going to be so many horrible effects, especially when it comes to the larger economic system, which is going to collapse, especially with the lack of people, since, of course, economies grow with people.
Less people, less growth, bigger collapse.
darren j beattie
Japan is a good test for all of this because, first of all, Japan is one of the lowest,
if not the lowest, fertility rates.
All the places with the lowest fertility rates seem to be the most technologically advanced.
But then, other than, you know, the West and European countries that seem to have attempted
to solve this problem by importing massive amount of people from the developing world,
Japan has decided to develop robots to replace them, which may in the end turn out to have
been a better choice.
We just don't know.
I don't think so.
luke rudkowski
Well, China is also doing something very similar.
They have very weird robots that we can't talk about on the show that I brought up before that everyone here knows about.
But China also is facing a huge population of machines.
darren j beattie
There are these Boston Dynamics robots.
They're terrifying, and I've been on good authority that actually there's an ulterior motive there, is that actually the Boston Dynamics robots are secretly programmed for a future in which it is a state law that everybody has to watch Alex Friedman videos.
luke rudkowski
Oh no!
darren j beattie
If you don't watch the Lex Fridman videos, the Boston Dynamic Robots will come and make sure that you do.
unidentified
I got so scared for a second.
darren j beattie
You have to watch at least three per month to be in good standing.
tim pool
Don't make me do it.
What happens is, the Boston Dynamic Robot shows up at your house and then a screen comes out of its head and Lex Fridman... Have you seen this?
And it just starts talking.
You're being chased as the dogs are running after you with screens on their back, and you're like, no!
And they pin you down, and it just plays the part.
luke rudkowski
I don't want to listen!
serge du preez
Meanwhile, Lex is just talking to you, quietly.
tim pool
Well, I don't, I was like, you guys don't like Lex Friedman's show, or what?
serge du preez
I think he's fine.
darren j beattie
I think it's fascinating.
Nothing for or against, but I think it's...
It's safe to say, it's fair to say that this is the most algorithmically driven phenomenon on the entire internet.
I hear so many stories of saying, I went to bed watching this on YouTube and I woke up and Lex Fridman was on it.
It's like all paths lead to Fridman.
And it's a very interesting thing.
You wonder sometimes.
how these phenomena occur. Maybe he's just such a great charismatic interviewer that it's just
manifestly obvious why he would, you know, be elevated to such a station with so many
interesting guests. Maybe there are other factors, but I definitely think it's,
you know, I really think the Boston Dynamic robots, they're made to enforce it.
Maybe there's going to be a SCOTUS decision, just like the Obamacare, they can force you to buy health insurance, they can force you to watch the Fridman videos.
There are all sorts of possibilities in the future.
luke rudkowski
I always get recommended to him all the time, and I'm like, no, I just don't want to.
Like, all the time, nonstop.
serge du preez
Did they fall asleep watching Lex Friedman, or did they end up on Lex Friedman?
That's also a good question to think about.
darren j beattie
Well, there you go.
serge du preez
No disrespect, Lex.
It's all good.
darren j beattie
He's just spreading love.
But it's nothing against him, but it is weird.
It is the most algorithmically driven thing on the entire internet.
tim pool
Remember that story about that chick who lived in the van?
She put up two YouTube videos and then got millions of subscribers?
It exposes that there is absolutely an algorithm driving everything and controlling what you see.
And my conspiracy theory is that the van life trend on YouTube was to try and convince millennials to not buy stuff.
luke rudkowski
And to live in a pod.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
To live in a pod and eat the bugs.
luke rudkowski
Yep, eat the bugs and not own anything.
Because people can't own homes now.
Their parents are telling them, hey, you should save up money and own a home.
That's not possible for the average person nowadays with the salaries that they're having, with how much the price of real estate has increased.
That's impossible.
But you could have a van by the river, right?
Or you could have some cryptocurrencies.
You could have some tether.
Right, Darren?
darren j beattie
Buy some tether, watch some Lex, buy some tether, you know?
Get into a little geometric unity theory.
luke rudkowski
There you go.
Do we have time to talk about your article?
darren j beattie
Like Tim said, there's been a lot of talk about Tether for a long time, but this piece that's up on my news site revolver.news is generating a lot of buzz in the crypto world and otherwise, and I'll just lay out the basic data points and people can kind of decide for themselves.
It's a very weird story.
It's the third largest cryptocurrency in existence.
It's a stablecoin, meaning that its value is not mined in the way that Bitcoin is or Ethereum, that its value allegedly comes from U.S.
dollar reserves backing the tether.
It's never been fully or properly audited in its entire existence, which is weird given that its whole value is based on the fact that it allegedly has these reserves.
And then if you look at the cast of characters behind Tether, one of them is a washed up child Disney actor called Brock Pierce, Who was involved in all sorts of things.
A weird sort of underage sex scandal that he got embroiled in.
He was apprehended by Interpol in Spain.
There is allegedly child pornography and all this stuff involved in the apprehension.
He was not Arrested, weirdly.
And then he turns up as the founder of this major cryptocurrency, which is a stablecoin, which has never been audited, which defies the U.S.
Treasury in various respects, and which just happens to be the official cryptocurrency of several U.S.-backed rebel groups Geopolitically, including the Rohingya rebel groups in Myanmar.
And so the thesis adduced in this piece suggests that there could be an historical antecedent to the function that Tether may fulfill, and that is the BCCI bank, which is this bank set up by the CIA to facilitate all kinds of money laundering operations and so forth.
But the cast of characters is really remarkable here.
Of course, there is a Jeffrey Epstein connection, and so I encourage everyone to go and look at it.
And for crypto enthusiasts and experts, I welcome feedback.
Are we barking up the wrong tree or not?
But so far, I've received extremely positive feedback from the crypto community in terms of Tether being a highly questionable proposition.
tim pool
The issue with so many cryptocurrencies, they're clearly scams.
And there's that Alameda woman, Bankman Freed's girlfriend, who I think she said something like, crypto is just scams or something.
She's like, it's all scams and something else or whatever, and like drugs or something.
Crypto is, I think, mostly scams, but that's not to disrespect crypto itself.
darren j beattie
Everything's pretty much a scam these days.
What isn't a scam?
tim pool
The issue is that there are people who are using crypto to scam, but there are absolutely amazing and legitimate cryptocurrencies and the technology itself is incredible.
So, we have this story from Bloomberg.
U.S.
prosecutors opened probe of FTX months before its collapse.
Sweeping inquiry examined crypto exchanges with offshore reach.
Manhattan prosecutors recently changed tack as FTX unraveled.
So they knew about this.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, how can they not?
This company came out of nowhere and had all the huge institutional money.
Everyone was asking the question, where did they get all this money?
And the corporate media, in response to this, said, he's the new JPMorgan and Chase!
He's a genius!
And no one had the receipts.
No one knew what was going on here.
And SBF was also given hundreds of thousands of dollars to the House committee members that are investigating him.
I don't see this going anywhere except for a potential false flag being used here in order to bring in more regulations, bring in more control of what essentially would be a decentralized cryptocurrency, but now is going to be hyper focused to be a central bank digital currency.
That, of course, is going to be a part of the Great Reset and Build Back Better agenda, which they've been calling for for a very long time.
And this is the way this is the false flag that they're going to I don't know, though.
tim pool
I feel like this stuff is shaking confidence in crypto.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
tim pool
Well, if they want people to adopt a reserve crypto, this is not the way to do it.
luke rudkowski
A federal reserve cryptocurrency, a digital dollar, is essentially what they want.
They don't want everyone just on Bitcoin.
They don't want everyone on decentralized platforms.
They want everyone on their platforms so they could say, hey, cryptocurrency was bad because it was reckless and they had scams.
We have a bigger scam here, the US dollar for you, that's going to be Getting the good principles from it, and we're not going to be doing the bad principles, even though we really have all the bad ones.
tim pool
Make every transaction you ever have publicly available.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
tim pool
Yeah, people would not like that.
luke rudkowski
Track, trace everything, automatically take money out of accounts, like a social credit score system like they have in China.
So this is essentially the endgame here, and central bank digital currencies are something that's being rolled out with the New York Federal Reserve just a couple days ago.
And we're seeing this with the G20 just announcing that they're going to have an international health passport that they're going to implement all over the world.
So when we look at, you know, the scams in our society, there's a lot of them.
FTX is just scratching the surface to all the bigger scams out there.
darren j beattie
And just including perhaps Tether, and just as an addendum, Alameda, the hedge fund set
up by Sam Bankman Freed that's associated with the FTX scandal, they were the major
backer of Tether.
In fact, they were one of the two major purchasers of Tether on their exchange.
So there are interesting connections there as well.
Looks like FTX was a kind of money laundering scheme to filter through the sort of Democrat machine and the Clinton overworld.
And Tether may be a kind of BCCI, which is used for sort of CIA—the new Iran-Contra type operations globally.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, that was an interesting saga, the BCCI scandal.
Right.
Can you expand on that just a little bit?
Because I think that's an important history lesson that we should kind of revisit, especially when it comes to understanding the larger kind of— Right.
the larger intelligence agencies and their involvement with the big banks and how they
actually work together to screw you over.
darren j beattie
Right.
The reason these things are important is that the government does not reinvent its own playbook
very often at all.
And if there's an historical antecedent that serves an important function, you can pretty
much bet that it still exists in some modified version.
And so the fact that the BCCI existed in the 70s and 80s, which is a bank set up by a Pakistani allegedly, but it was probably set up by an intelligence agency.
And it, you know, major scam, it screwed over its many of its depositors, it had a lot of shady figures, drug Cartels, arms dealers, all kinds of shady folks working through it, operating through it.
And then the question was, why was this manifest, obvious scam allowed to function for so long, uninterrupted?
Well, it's because the CIA was in on it and the primary beneficiary of it.
And so that gets to the sort of crypto thing.
It's like some scams are allowed to exist because they're the scam of the most valuable player, so to speak.
And in a kind of darkly ironic twist that may in fact end up being the saving grace of Tether and crypto more broadly is that there are too many major scams wrapped up into it that it's essentially too big to fail, at least on a medium timeline.
luke rudkowski
Me and Tim were talking about this earlier today.
If there was a way to destroy cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin and decentralized currencies, what would they be doing differently than what they're doing right now?
And I think it also provided a huge potential, and it still might in many aspects, of allowing people to have a lot of freedom.
Barack Obama called Bitcoin the ability of human beings to have Swiss bank accounts inside of their own pockets.
I think that that's a power that threatens a lot of people, and I think what we're seeing with FTX, what we're seeing with SBF is a deliberate destruction of that power.
darren j beattie
Right.
But you don't really have that power if you're operating through an exchange on an exchange, right?
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
Most exchanges are also honeypots as well.
darren j beattie
Exactly.
So like, there are two different things.
There's the, I guess, and I don't mean this derisively, there's the nerd money kind of function of Bitcoin, which is like, you have your own keys, you do all this, but it's a pain in the ass and people don't really want to do it.
luke rudkowski
It's not grandma friendly.
darren j beattie
Exactly.
But the scalable version of Bitcoin, um is replete with all of these scams and again maybe it's it's not going to fall down precisely because the scams are too valuable in the in the in the specific case of Tether potentially being the new BCCI.
It's literally the official cryptocurrency of the Rohingya rebel group in Myanmar which is bizarre that a rebel group would have an official cryptocurrency but that's the case.
It's beloved by the Syrian, the Sunni moderates in Syria that John McCain loves so much.
It's beloved by cartels, which of course the US intelligence agencies don't have any relationship with.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it's not like they helped them get their start in Mexico with that secret police unit that they were training down there.
They had nothing to do with that.
darren j beattie
Right.
tim pool
Well, come on.
You guys are saying things a little over the top.
darren j beattie
That's a little out there.
tim pool
It's not like Barack Obama.
It's like Obama was giving weapons to the cartels.
darren j beattie
Exactly.
luke rudkowski
It's not like we had the Iran-Contra scandal that was laundering weapons and heroin and cocaine into the country and guns and weapons, you know?
tim pool
It's funny because you ever see that meme where it's like, Okay, so look, I know the CIA was doing bad stuff in the 50s, the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s, the 2010s, but nothing's changed.
They've never been held accountable.
darren j beattie
Right.
luke rudkowski
So they're definitely changed.
They're definitely not doing that now.
Yep.
That's it, that's it.
darren j beattie
New management.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
tim pool
And you know, the way this country is going, there's that viral video of the dude in Arizona with the dreads and he's like yelling about box number three in Arizona and all that stuff.
serge du preez
Oh, that's a great video.
tim pool
And I'm just like, I'm watching that video and I'm thinking, the average person in this country does not like what the intelligence agencies are doing.
So who are they serving but themselves?
Now, maybe these people have the idea, like, well, they don't know what's good for them.
Okay, well, dude, like, that defies the core of what this country is supposed to be.
It's supposed to be dangerous freedom, not peaceful slavery.
Just you, as an intelligence officer or whatever, deciding, you know what's best for us!
You don't!
And clearly, all of this luxury has been bad for us.
It's created a whole generation of gluttonous morons.
So maybe, maybe we need things to be a little bit less luxurious, and people need to go out and chop some lumber to heat their homes.
Maybe all of this luxury is making weak people, which makes everything worse for everybody, and all we get is a bunch of whiny complainers, and, um, what do the young people call them?
Hall monitors.
serge du preez
Hall monitors, yeah.
tim pool
I said a nation of hall monitors.
Yeah, there's only so much of an economy that you can make being a hall monitor, but that's really it.
Those guys who are working that oil rig we watched in that video a moment ago, those guys are doing hard work.
The lady at Twitter?
Hall monitor.
Vice Media?
Hall monitors.
BuzzFeed?
Hall monitors.
NBC News?
Hall monitors.
That's all they do.
They walk around complaining, contributing nothing.
Yeah, we gotta do something about that.
They're bogging us down.
I want to post jokes.
luke rudkowski
I know.
I want to post memes.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Without being, you know, afraid of getting censored.
Or express political ideas.
Or debate political ideas that might be a little edgy or controversial.
I want to have the ability to talk through bad ideas.
You know?
And we still, let's be honest here, we're still testing the waters with Twitter.
We still don't have that fully.
And that's a shame because that's what we had before.
And then we were led astray by the centralization of it all.
And now the solution's going to be more centralization, which is absolutely absurd.
tim pool
You mean with Elon, or what?
luke rudkowski
More centralization as far as what's happening with cryptocurrencies, what's happening with social media platforms being in the hands of less and less people, and media outlets being in the control of less and less people as well.
Everything's being centralized.
darren j beattie
Weird, like centralization minus censorship really was sort of the sweet spot because
centralization allowed speech at scale. So that brief period in the internet when there were
centralized platforms, major platforms, but before the speech crackdown post-2016 was really kind of
the sweet spot.
Maybe it just can't sustain it.
Maybe the regime is simply incompatible with that level of free speech at scale.
Maybe no regime is compatible, but certainly ours isn't given how How ridiculous and ultimately untenable it is.
And so when they say that, you know, Elon Musk is a national security threat, free speech is a national security threat, I think that's true in quite a literal sense, is that if people are allowed to speak freely on the whole host of things that I'm not even able to mention now, that is I don't think the regime can really survive it.
And so it's an existential issue from their point of view.
And that kind of illustrates the stakes associated with what Elon Musk is doing.
tim pool
You know what really grinds my gears?
I hear this all the time.
People will tweet something like, tell me one time in history when the people censoring speech were the good guys?
Because it's just, like, World War II?
The United States?
Were we the bad guys?
I don't know.
Like, the U.S.
had an office of censorship.
But it's like, people just assume outright that there's never a reason for controlling information.
Of course there is, like, in war and things like that.
To your point, the intelligence agencies probably do think that, you know, we're in a constant state of conflict and we need to be able to control information if we're going to win.
But that conflicts with what this country is supposed to be.
People having a right to choose.
If they can't be informed, they can't choose.
So this country is clearly already lost, if that's the case.
But I will point out, in World War II, with the Office of Censorship, Loose lips, sink ships.
And this was it.
There were censors who would stop things from appearing in newspapers and the radio.
Censorship all over the United States.
The Federal Office of Censorship.
Because we're at war.
luke rudkowski
Well, you know, there's a logical approach to this, specifically when it comes to saying, hey, there's all these troops moving in this direction going here.
Obviously, you can't allow that kind of information during warfare because it's going to give the enemy the upper hand.
unidentified
It's not even... But treason doesn't fall under free speech.
tim pool
No, no, no, but it's not that.
It's that someone might be like, I work at a steel mill and they just, some crazy thing happened where the alarm went off today.
That's the kind of thing they don't, they, loose lipsync ships wasn't just about telling people where our military was, some people didn't know that.
It was about giving up information on what you were doing to people who shouldn't know about it.
They wanted everyone to shut up.
luke rudkowski
It's a fine line, too, because where do you draw the boundaries?
Because in the United States, we did have the Japanese internment camps.
We did have the bombing of Dresden.
We do have a lot of policies that we could definitely criticize the United States for, which we should have criticized, which criticism could have prevented, but that didn't happen because of that censorship effort as well.
So again, where is that fine line?
I think that's impossible.
I don't know.
Dan, do you have an answer?
darren j beattie
Well, I think censorship and information control are necessary to any type of regime.
I think the important issue is if the noble lie is necessary in some degree, as you know, the famous thing from the Republic, The problem is that we become the ignoble lie.
And it's less that, oh, we want a total free for all free speech.
It's that fundamentally what America has come to represent, what I call the globalist American empire, is really the wokeness, or whatever you want to call it, really is basically the de facto official religion, the de facto official ideology of the United States.
And once it's seeped that deeply into the marrow of the body politic, then anything that's set up to sustain the security of it ultimately just reinforces that ideology.
That's the problem that we're in.
And that's not Per se, a problem of censorship as such, it's a problem of what the regime has become in its most fundamental sense.
tim pool
It is a non-theistic religion.
It's crazy.
I mean, it's becoming more and more clear every day.
Peter Boghossian was talking about it years ago, and now we can see it clearer than ever.
All right, we're gonna go to Super Chats!
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button?
Subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, become a member at TimCast.com.
We're gonna have a members-only show coming up around 11 p.m., and I think we're gonna talk about some fashion company with handbags or something?
Is that what it was?
mary morgan
Yeah, it was Balenciaga.
tim pool
There you go.
luke rudkowski
Controversial topic.
tim pool
Controversial topic, to say the least.
And you can also do one more thing.
Follow Sargon of Akkad on Twitter, because he's back after, like, five years.
And it's Sargon underscore of underscore Akkad, A-K-K-A-D.
Or just go to my Twitter, at Timcast, and I tweeted out that he's back, and you can follow him there.
He's probably sleeping, because he's in the UK, but I'm really excited.
Jordan Peterson tweeted something like, surprised to see you here Sargon, so we're all excited that Carl Benjamin's back on Twitter, so give him a follow.
Alright, let's see what we got!
Kay says, please get the Critical Drinker on both Timcast IRL as well as Pop Culture Crisis.
He's the best movie critic and fighting the message from the woke entertainment corporations.
Sounds good.
Oh, this is funny.
Sargon got unbanned right before the show started.
Neo Unrealist says, Sargon Avocado is unbanned from Twitter right before the show started.
serge du preez
Yeah, it was like 30 minutes before.
tim pool
Man!
luke rudkowski
A lot of people were tweeting about him and a lot of other people.
unidentified
As well.
tim pool
I mean, for him, it's been five years.
It's like watching, you know, the corpse come out of the ground, like, when you're like, he's back!
unidentified
Yeah!
luke rudkowski
He's gonna dust off the phone.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
I mean, he's been doing his thing, but it'll be cool to see him back in the conversation.
serge du preez
Yeah, I just watched a part of his Lotus Eaters program.
He did a thing about millennials and Gen Z stuff, and it was like the old Sargon, where he was just talking to and sitting down and chatting, which was cool to see.
So it's funny he's back right now.
It's great.
tim pool
Oh yeah, all of our Super Chats are Sargon Unbanned!
Sargon Unbanned!
unidentified
Wow!
tim pool
William Nichols says, you're shadowbanned.
I recorded it for proof.
That's right!
This show is.
And it is insane that despite the fact that we are shadowbanned, you guys still watch.
And it's weird.
I mean, we're in a weird place.
This show should be trending every night based on how many views we get.
It never does.
And maybe not every single show.
I'm being a little hyperbolic, but it never does.
All right.
Mind of Madman says, no notification, and I believe in clank and beanie supremacy.
Well, all right.
No notification.
How about that?
serge du preez
Shout out clankers.
tim pool
Yep.
Rob says, Tim and Co, I'm setting up a Ligma Johnson candle e-store.
Thank you for the inspiration.
I know the thing you've inspired me to do, and I look forward to your order.
You know what we're thinking of doing is, uh, I tweeted out a piece of land in West Virginia, it's like 180 acres, and I was like, this could be the Ligma Johnson Woodland Preservation.
We could actually, like, allocate plots of ownership, you know, and you get a little card.
luke rudkowski
Fake Ligma Johnson lords?
tim pool
Yeah.
It's interesting because like the price per square foot's actually not that expensive.
And then you could, you're not really a lure, we wouldn't do that, but you'd have like, you know, we could create a public park and then it would be owned by the people who own the square footage and that could be a lot of people.
luke rudkowski
You're an official ligma.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah, you can be a... I don't know, what kind of title do we give?
mary morgan
Can't you still buy stars?
luke rudkowski
Ligma Richard?
mary morgan
You could name a couple of stars, Ligma Johnson.
tim pool
Who has the right to the stars?
That's a good point, though.
You could name stars.
mary morgan
You'll find out eventually, I don't know.
tim pool
What if we just, like, all of these programs, like, go to a star-buying company and then just buy as many stars as possible and name them all Ligma Johnson?
And they'll start giving them numbers like Ligma Johnson, 9C31.
No, Ligma Dixon.
luke rudkowski
Ligma Richards.
mary morgan
Other ones will be Suggma.
What else?
tim pool
Suggma?
mary morgan
I can't think of other ones.
tim pool
Tugma?
mary morgan
Leave it in the chat, y'all.
I know they know.
luke rudkowski
They are, and they definitely have good answers.
mary morgan
Okay, thanks, guys.
tim pool
All right, DDMegaDudu says, Hey Tim and crew, I would like to know if Luke's nuclear bazongas implants are still up for grabs.
What have them popped?
I'm asking you and wondering if she followed through.
Yeah, I walk in, and it's on the floor, and it's leaking all over the place.
mary morgan
I did mention it, just for the record, but I didn't actually ask, because they're damaged goods now.
luke rudkowski
You wanted them first?
mary morgan
He wanted them!
luke rudkowski
Not me.
You were asking about them.
tim pool
We are going to be giving out those, as well as the post-its from Milo I mentioned.
We're bogged up because of the holiday, so a lot of people are already heading out, getting ready for Thanksgiving, some people have to travel.
I'm not even sure if we're gonna be able to do our Wednesday show, because everyone's traveling to Thanksgiving dinner, nobody wants to drive on Thanksgiving morning, so... We'll just have to figure it out, but that also means that, like, no one's gonna be here, so this is just one of those weeks where very little ends up happening.
luke rudkowski
You gotta get the chicken in here.
tim pool
I'm not bringing a chicken in.
Everyone keeps trying to get me to bring a chicken in here.
I'm like, just take a dump on the floor.
Look, I love the chickens, clearly.
Roberto Jr.
is a man's man, you know?
He's tough.
But he will take a dump on the floor.
How are you going to get that out of the carpet?
Get a steam cleaner in here?
luke rudkowski
It's fine.
It's worth it.
Mary, will you be here?
I say do the show.
I need something to watch as I'm driving up.
mary morgan
Wait, for Wednesday or for episode 666?
luke rudkowski
Wednesday.
Which would be episode 666.
tim pool
No, no, no.
mary morgan
If there is a Wednesday.
tim pool
If we do the show on Wednesday, Monday will be 666.
If we don't, then Tuesday will be 666.
mary morgan
I think you should leave Monday for 666.
tim pool
Why Monday?
luke rudkowski
Why?
mary morgan
It's better than doing it the day before.
luke rudkowski
You just don't want to work.
unidentified
See?
luke rudkowski
Women don't want to work.
No, no, no.
tim pool
She's saying we should do the Wednesday show, but the issue is I don't know if we have anybody here.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't like taking shows off, but Ian and Luke are going to be gone.
serge du preez
We can just have you monologue like the old days.
tim pool
We can just turn the camera on and eat turkey and you can watch us eat turkey.
luke rudkowski
Bring on a member of the members area.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I think Mary, you're here.
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Hannah Montana, she's also here.
tim pool
We can grab a couple people, we'll figure something out.
But if we don't do the show, that means Tuesday is 666, and we have an awesome guest on Tuesday, which I'm excited about having for 666.
serge du preez
That'd be worth it.
I think save it.
tim pool
But that means, like, I don't like not working for three days, because it'd make me lose my mind.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
I'm going to be sitting there on Wednesday, like, shaking, like, what's happening?
Need to talk about stuff.
And I'll start talking to the cat.
I'll be like, Boko, let me explain to you what's going on.
unidentified
You already do that.
luke rudkowski
You can have him.
tim pool
No, no, like I'll start monologuing to him, like I need to tell someone.
I'll look into his eyes and it'll travel into hell and then all the demons will be watching.
Alright, let's read some more.
Alright, Bobby says, Elon's remarks on Alex Jones are inexcusable.
Let's stop acting like Elon fanboys.
You know, there's the question there, right?
Take the win.
I agree with you on Alex Jones.
I think it's BS.
And Darren said the same thing.
He should not have gone there.
He should not have said it.
What are you gonna do?
Are we gonna be like, well, let's forego the entire victory we have on all of these things.
Sargon being back on Twitter, of all people, you know?
Nah, I'll take the win.
I'll take the win.
I will let Elon know I find his statements incorrect, morally wrong, and objectionable.
And then what are you gonna do?
You know?
We're better off.
mary morgan
I mean, he's accusing Alex Jones of weaponizing the death and trauma of children and their families, yet he himself is using his own trauma of the death of his child as a bludgeon.
tim pool
Well, I guess—you know, I understand what he's saying, right?
He's like, Alex Jones exploited this, he suffered it.
You know what I mean?
But either way, it's just—it's an emotional thing.
I just don't agree.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says me, tell me you're from the city without telling me you're from the city.
Tim, a man can kill a bear by jamming his arm down a bear's throat.
I didn't mean that literally, Raymond.
I was joking.
I made a point early where I was like, if a guy's gonna go fight a bear and kill him with his own hands by like punching him in the throat and holding his arm causing the bear to choke and then killing it, I didn't literally mean someone would do that.
My point was that A man is not going to defeat a bear with his bare hands.
Like, there are some stories of it happening, but it's never like a grizzly or anything.
serge du preez
No, it's always a black bear.
tim pool
I'm talking about, the point I was trying to make is, the grand story of the man, of David versus Goliath, is pointless if there's no family.
Like, a dude does not need to kill the emperor stag of the forest that weighs hundreds of, you know, thousands of pounds or whatever, because what is he going to do with it?
He's going to be like, well, it's dead.
No, the conquest is always in support or saving of someone else.
mary morgan
He might be revitalized to code for another few hours if there's an attractive woman working in the HR department.
tim pool
I think that's true, actually.
I'd be willing to bet that.
I think this is fairly obvious, okay, that if you take two guys and ask them to, you know,
work out and we're going to track how many reps they can do until they have to stop,
I bet if you took two guys and put them in a gym and said, do as many lifts as you can until your
arms are too sore to move, if you then brought a woman in, a very attractive one, they'd probably
start lifting again.
They'd like, they'd find, but for real though.
serge du preez
A second wind.
tim pool
And it's not a statement on like magic or anything, it's a statement on just what human beings are.
The guy's gonna be like, I'm gonna do it, you know, like give him a reason.
Give him a physical reason.
More importantly, I've read those stories about women who have lifted cars off of their kids.
serge du preez
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Like, we know that humans do things for other humans.
This is the way, that's cool actually.
Reading the story, like a kid got hit by a car, and the mom, she's like 5'5", she like lifts the car up, and like tears her muscles, but she doesn't care.
serge du preez
She's like, I will save you!
Yeah, she like compressed like vertebrae in her back, right?
Wow, that's cool.
tim pool
I remember watching a story about a guy who got crushed by a boulder, and then he lifted the boulder off of him, and it was like, it was like 700, I don't know how heavy it was, but doing so tore his muscles.
He like put so much strain into doing it, and they were saying like, your muscles actually have five times more lifting capacity, but they destroy themselves in doing it.
So that's why they're, like, limited.
So, you know, we're actually pretty strong.
Stronger than we know.
Everybody was super chatting.
Carl is back on Twitter.
I'm glad we didn't notice because we made a lot of money off people trying to tell us.
But thank you for the super chats.
I appreciate it.
I'm stoked to see Carl on, man.
I'm really excited for that.
It's great.
He's amazing.
Lotus Eaters podcast is fantastic.
serge du preez
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
Biko says, is Timcast interested in hiring pop culture writers?
If so, what would be the best way to apply?
I don't know and I don't know.
I guess Mary's in charge of that.
mary morgan
Yeah, I'm in charge.
You should DM me on Twitter.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, she's on pop culture crisis.
That's their purview.
All right.
AK Storm says, Tim, please ask Mary about the BDSM teddy bears marketed to children she covered on Pop Culture Crisis today.
Truly disturbing.
We'll talk about that.
mary morgan
That's for the after show.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll talk about the after show.
mary morgan
We're gonna go off.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll make it.
We'll get right into it.
That'll be really, really good.
Alright, Pinochet's Helicopter Tour says, well Tim, Google really didn't like your 4 o'clock video, and I can confirm it.
I saw that and I was like, uh oh, what does that mean?
Well, the good news is, the video I put up at 4pm is that the Arizona Assistant AG is refusing to certify the election.
This is true, it's in the news, it's happening.
It is, uh, it's doing really well, people are able to get it, but it is demonetized, so, uh, there you go.
Which means I'll make, probably, I don't know, 20 bucks off of that video for the day.
So, you know, it is what it is.
I'll take 20 bucks, you know what I mean?
But that's like erasing the revenue off of it, you know?
luke rudkowski
You're making 20 bucks?
I want 20 bucks!
I'm not even getting that!
tim pool
This is why we shifted focus to doing TimCast memberships for the company, because you've got activists trying to take your ads away, and because YouTube's trying to take your ads away.
So I also, this is a thing too, I've picked up, I started doing established titles as sponsorship on the TimCast channel, I normally don't do ad reads on, because they're demonetizing everything.
So I'm like, okay, let's play that game, demonetize Shadowband, whatever, people who wanna watch my content are gonna watch it, I'll sell my own ad if you're not going to run ads against it.
And so that makes up the difference.
So we will always find a way.
We're not going to let censorship get us down.
The One Freeman says, odd how all tech platforms laying off thousands of people in unison.
Elon said Twitter was hemorrhaging $4 million a day.
What was keeping them afloat until Elon burst the bubble?
Was someone subsidizing them in exchange for censorship?
No, it's that a bunch of advertisers pulled off the platform when Elon moved in because they're biased lunatics.
And so then they start losing money.
However, I do think something interesting is happening in terms of all these layoffs because we're seeing a bunch of ad buyers say that they're cutting down on sponsorships and marketing firms are saying there's less money to go around.
So the reporting that I heard is that next year there's going to be a major economic downturn.
serge du preez
Where'd you hear that?
tim pool
I just scuttlebutt on Twitter.
I saw that really funny Twitter account.
It was InverseKramer.
You ever see that one?
serge du preez
Oh yeah, I have seen that.
tim pool
Whatever Jim Cramer says, do the opposite.
serge du preez
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
And then they show everything he was wrong about.
And they're like, if you do the opposite of what he says, you get rich.
It's like inverse Cramer is like George Costanza when he decided to do everything opposite.
Phoenix Ammunition says, we've sent several appeals to Twitter to be reinstated and so far nothing.
We never actually broke a rule in the first place.
Elon, please help.
Y'all guys should tweet about Phoenix Ammunition because they were unjustly banned from Twitter.
luke rudkowski
Were they?
tim pool
Yeah.
serge du preez
They're cool guys.
tim pool
Yeah.
They do good stuff.
They're the ones who did the website where, when you wanted to buy ammo, it asked you if you voted for Joe Biden, and if you put yes, it kicks you out of the website.
I think it sent you to, like... His gun control page or something.
He's like, we don't need your money.
serge du preez
That's a Phoenix with an F-E-N-I-X.
tim pool
Yeah, F-E-N-I-X.
luke rudkowski
Good guys.
tim pool
FireBurnsPeople says, went to start watching TimCastIRL tonight and was not in my subscription tab or on the channel page found, found it on my home page under the live tab.
Isn't that something?
serge du preez
Ah.
tim pool
Isn't that something, huh?
mary morgan
The same thing happened to me.
I was going on my phone to the channel and I couldn't find it.
serge du preez
That happens a lot.
tim pool
Man, I gotta tell you, if you guys didn't like watching the show, we would have been annihilated by YouTube censorship a long time ago.
If we were like Lex Freedman, as Darren described it, we're the inverse of Lex Freedman.
Like, the way he describes it is people are just stumbling.
Maybe that's what YouTube's doing.
They're like, get everybody to watch.
Everybody who watches TimCastIRL, go watch Lex Freedman instead.
So we're getting punished in the algorithm, but people are like, YouTube, stop.
I want to watch this show.
And then meanwhile, people are waking up and they're watching Lex.
I don't know if that's actually true.
I got no beef with Lex.
darren j beattie
It's not just speculation.
No, it's nothing against Lex, but there were conversations that our friend Susan of YouTube was having, and basically people were criticizing her for not doing a full-on ban of Ben Shapiro.
And her defense of that was saying that we've run a lot of studies on it, and they've shown that Ben Shapiro is actually a very effective stopping point.
That is to say, he serves a very important de-radicalization function.
And for that reason, I think there's a real utility to the Susan Wozniacki, whatever, WoJackie, Wojcinski, WoJack Susan.
But there's a real utility to the censors to say that, look, these people are an off-ramp.
They're de-radicalizers.
They'll go and they'll watch Lex Fridman.
And in many cases, And again, nothing against these people personally, but there is a kind of fool's trade whereby a certain type of talking head will earn your trust by saying controversial things like, boys have penises and girls have vaginas.
And in exchange for that trust, will shove down orthodoxies on everything else down your throat.
And that is a very important de-radicalization effort, and there's a whole cluster of people who may fit that description.
And I think it's fair to say that the Lex phenomenon may be adjacent to to all of that. Or Ben Shapiro, you know, telling people to
luke rudkowski
take medical procedures.
Also, Ben Shapiro gets a lot of his traffic from Facebook, overwhelmingly a lot.
tim pool
Well, he has the Daily Wire. I've heard...
luke rudkowski
If you look at the number one shared kind of articles on Facebook, it's usually Daily Wire.
darren j beattie
No, it's, again, Daily Wire is the Lex Fridman of Facebook.
And it's not accidental.
I've heard, I'm not going to say for a fact, but I've heard on good authority, Shapiro has a great relationship with Zuckerberg, and they've had the great relationship for a long time.
And again, it's there's a utility to having Ben Shapiro, who's very reliable on the key things, being basically as right wing as you can be, and not punished by the algorithms.
There's utility to that in terms of how the larger conversation is controlled.
tim pool
Well, speaking of that, we've got Chris Toast who says, Show is hidden from my feed on both Android and desktop.
Oh, that's amazing.
Then we have, uh, what is this right here?
Sergeant Wolf says, Hey Tim and crew, I figured I'd chat and let you know that the show is not in my feed, not on my home screen or subscribed uploaded feed.
Had to go to the channel and find it there.
Really interesting.
We're getting more messages than normal, so Share the URL on every single platform.
Twitter, how about that?
Post it to Twitter where you're allowed to make jokes again.
And hopefully, the hope I have is that if enough people who watch this video share the URL every time it goes live, no amount of censorship will stop a natural phenomenon of people saying, check this show out.
Because clearly they're trying to stop us.
You know, part of me is like, oh, you know what, if we finally get banned, I can go take my van down by the river and just go fishing.
Not have to worry about it.
But, you know.
For the time being, we're here to fight the culture war, and it looks like we're winning.
So, there's gonna be the death rattle, there's gonna be the panic attacks, YouTube's gonna lose its mind.
They're not happy about it.
The reason why Say, Elon Musk buys Twitter.
The reason why these changes are happening is because we have not stopped pushing back and demanding free speech, calling out the lies in the machine, and they wish we would just roll over.
So.
It's a little thing we can do.
But I say the same thing of Steven Crowder.
You know, they keep giving him strikes on YouTube, watch his show on Rumble, watch Lotus Eaters, watch The Quartering, and then just share all the content.
It's the most powerful thing you can do.
They can't censor it if everyone just keeps sharing.
It's like whack-a-mole.
They can't do anything about it.
luke rudkowski
I think that's one of the reasons I still exist.
You know?
Dealing with all the crap.
I think it's viral marketing.
We don't even do any regular marketing.
It's you guys sharing the videos.
tim pool
Yeah, YouTube's not recommending us.
YouTube recommends our videos to only people who are already in that bubble.
luke rudkowski
People still tell me they get unsubscribed from the channel when they never unsubscribed.
So, again, lots of crazy things happening here.
tim pool
The Ass says, hey Lucas, I bought a shirt from your website, never got a return email.
I messaged you via Instagram, so help me out.
Also love the work that y'all do.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, you should be able to message the company that you bought it from and they'll send you a tracking number.
You should, if you have any problems, also if you have any, sometimes, you know, rarely this happens, I get a message, someone saying that the graphics weren't that well, you could get a new t-shirt right away after emailing the company that of course did all the processing.
So if you have any problems with quality or shipping, reach out to either Teespring or another company we work with and they usually solve all your problems right away.
tim pool
Ian Kinney says Kanye was hanging out with Milo Yiannopoulos, said he's running for president in 2024, and Milo will be his campaign manager.
luke rudkowski
I saw that.
tim pool
Is that true?
luke rudkowski
I saw the video.
There's an actual video of a random guy filming outside, and Kanye's like, yay, he's like, hey, come on inside!
He's like, Milo's there, and that's what Kanye said.
tim pool
He's running.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yay 2024.
All right.
tim pool
Okay, let's see.
What is this one?
Tackty Platty says, Tim, Mary is a far better co-host than Ian for this show as well.
Not cringe half the time and doesn't say upsetting things.
Please have her on more.
unidentified
Upsetting things?
mary morgan
What does Ian say that upsets you so much?
luke rudkowski
Hey, Mary is great, but so is Ian.
Ian, I think, adds another component to the show that is very rare and is awesome and I think is needed.
mary morgan
Like pissing people off, upsetting them.
luke rudkowski
Well, I think people need to do that.
No, I get it.
It shouldn't be a circle of jerks patting each other on the back.
Yeah, we're not here for that.
We want to hear opinions that are not ours, and Ian provides that, and he allows us to have conversations.
mary morgan
I can disagree with you more if that's what you want.
tim pool
Yeah, sure.
luke rudkowski
No, but he's being real.
He's being, you know, I believe he's being genuine.
tim pool
There's several instances where Ian has brought up very bad points, and also where he's brought up very good points.
When we were talking about the lockdowns and stuff, and why we didn't think the government should be able to lock things down, he said, what about an airborne Ebola?
Like, where's the line?
And I was like, okay, like, let's entertain, like, let's talk about that, because we're all very much opposed to government lockdowns, but then, and then we sort those things through.
If we all just agree with each other, your ideas aren't strengthened.
Like, you actually need someone to contradict, even if it's not always a good argument.
But the other thing too is, well, I guess that's it.
Simply put, right?
You need some kind of challenge.
I'll add one more thing to it.
Some people comment, they're like, Ian doesn't know about this stuff, why is he on the show?
And it's like, that was always the reason why I asked Ian to be on the show.
I was like, we need someone who's gonna be like, what is that?
I don't know what that is.
So to give us an opportunity to explain it, because when we started this show, I assumed most people would not have the deep political knowledge that we do.
And we don't know everything either.
But the point was to have someone who's going to be like, what do you mean Joe Biden did that?
Oh, let me explain.
Because the assumption is if Ian, who's not overtly political, doesn't know, there's a lot of people at home who don't, and we want to make it more accessible.
But again, Ian and those semantic arguments.
Ian, come on, buddy.
Semantic arguments, they don't go anywhere.
luke rudkowski
You guys are both great.
tim pool
We did a live show, and then, you know, we had, like, Ian was there, we were jamming, and then someone asked something about Ian, and then I said, you know, Ian comes up with really great points often, we often disagree, but those semantic arguments, and then everyone in the crowd started clapping and cheering, and Ian was laughing.
mary morgan
I probably disagree with Ian about 99% of things.
serge du preez
Yeah, but everyone in the chat knows Ian rolls 20s.
It happens.
tim pool
Yeah, he's pro-death penalty and he's pro-choice.
serge du preez
Yeah, wild.
luke rudkowski
And pro-acid.
tim pool
It's like a weird combination of things, you know?
serge du preez
It's wild.
tim pool
Like typically liberals, like I'm not saying Ian's a liberal, but liberals are like anti-death penalty, pro-choice, but Ian's pro-choice and pro-death penalty.
mary morgan
At least he's consistent there.
unidentified
Yeah, right?
You know, it's all right, man.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Fair Frozen says, the men are covered in hydraulic mud, a liquid prepared with soil, water, and glycol and other aggregates used to inject into the drill.
It acts as a barrier between gas escaping from the well tap.
serge du preez
Oh, that's right.
I remember that.
tim pool
Interesting.
serge du preez
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right.
Noah Zork says, are there non-farting rooms?
We should set up a fart booth in the basement.
And it's just like, if you have to fart, you got to go in the booth.
serge du preez
That'd be hilarious.
tim pool
And it's just got, like, an air freshener, like, fan going.
We'll call it the fart booth.
luke rudkowski
Most air fresheners are scams.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
What does that mean?
mary morgan
Do they give you cancer or something?
luke rudkowski
They, like, mess up your endocrine system.
serge du preez
Yeah, I've heard that before.
luke rudkowski
They're horrible.
Every time I see it, just trash right away.
serge du preez
Especially those little trees.
I think those are the ones that come out.
luke rudkowski
Especially, like, Febreze and all these other stuff.
Horrible for you.
Absolutely destroys, like, your physical body.
tim pool
So, what is this?
Takfuchi says Apple deleted all their tweets and pulled ads.
Head of the App Store deleted their account.
They might pull the Twitter app.
This as Elon finally removes exploitation from the platform.
Yup.
Did Apple really remove all their tweets?
mary morgan
Before Steve Jobs died, I know that Apple was good about preventing child exploitation on the App Store.
But then ever since then, it's been less enforced.
tim pool
Hermes Bird says this guest sounds exactly like DeSantis.
It's uncanny.
Do people tell you that, Darren?
That you sound like Ron DeSantis?
darren j beattie
I've never heard that before.
tim pool
When I saw that, I was like, yeah, a little bit.
Like, I can hear something.
serge du preez
Aren't you in Florida right now?
darren j beattie
Miami.
serge du preez
Oh, yeah.
We were talking about it before the show.
That's correct.
darren j beattie
I think they just mean I'm very tired.
tim pool
Ah, yes.
That explains it.
People are mentioning Balenciaga?
Is that what it's called?
mary morgan
Balenciaga.
tim pool
Balenciaga!
There you go, there you go.
serge du preez
Is it C or G?
mary morgan
What?
serge du preez
I think in Italian the C is a C sound, right?
mary morgan
It's not an Italian brand.
It was founded by a Spanish man and it's headquartered in France.
serge du preez
Oh!
unidentified
So if it's French then it's probably just B. It's not French though, it's Spanish.
tim pool
Have you ever seen that viral video about the French language where it's like a ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta ta
unidentified
ta ta?
tim pool
Yeah, because they were like all these words are the same thing. It's like ta, ta, and they all mean something
different. It's like, okay. I guess it's just a tongue twister though, you know what I mean? Like, we have those in
serge du preez
English. We do. We have the same. Yeah.
tim pool
Rhino, uh, Rhino Batha says... Bota, Bota.
Bota, is that what it says?
serge du preez
Yeah, it's an Afrikaans name.
tim pool
Oh, there you go.
He says, good morning from South Africa, where I always find your shows in my feed.
serge du preez
Hey!
tim pool
That's cool.
serge du preez
Interesting.
What's up, Randit?
tim pool
Jason Lippert says, I'm in Canada, have no issues finding show.
luke rudkowski
Do you need a tissue there?
tim pool
Do you speak Afrikaans?
serge du preez
I do to the most, but my parents will say I don't, but... Oh, really?
tim pool
Yeah.
What is it like Dutch and English on them?
serge du preez
It's basically Dutch.
It's like more like old Dutch because we didn't get influence from like the Spanish taking over Holland and then, you know, creating the masculine feminine in Dutch now.
But essentially it's like old Dutch.
Yeah.
Little known.
tim pool
Well, how about that?
All right.
Nate B says, how do you know you aren't a stopping point, Tim?
I think we are.
I agree.
I've talked about this too.
I've been saying for a while that the reason YouTube probably tolerates us more than other shows is because they view us as a de-radicalization force or something.
Or the way I put it is, YouTube wants to ban the right.
But they know that if they do, the right will go somewhere else.
So they need to allow certain channels to stay on the platform, so that if they ban half of them, the users will stay.
And then they force them into this particular ideological bubble.
I've long talked about that.
It's not going to change my opinions on things, I guess.
But I will say this.
Smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends.
Become a member at TimCast.com because we're going to talk about this creepy story with, uh, was it Balenciaga?
mary morgan
Yeah, Balenciaga has BDSM teddy bears in their new ad campaign with children.
tim pool
And court documents pertaining to child exploitation.
Really weird.
We'll talk about that over at TimCast.com.
So become a member.
We usually start recording right after we wrap, and then we upload as soon as we're done.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me at TimCast.
Smash the like button.
And Darren, do you want to shout anything out?
darren j beattie
Revolver.news, check it out.
Very, very hot.
Tether piece, the next FTX, but bigger.
A lot of people are talking about it, so check it out.
luke rudkowski
Are you on Twitter?
darren j beattie
I am on Twitter, at Darren J. Beaty.
mary morgan
You can find pictures of me on Instagram at Mary Archived.
You can read my inane thoughts on Twitter also at Mary Archived.
And you can subscribe to Pop Culture Crisis on YouTube if you're interested in us talking about entertainment, celebrities, movies, etc.
over there.
Not political, but more fun.
So go subscribe over there.
tim pool
When you super chat on Pop Culture Crisis, money guns fire money into the air.
mary morgan
Yeah, it doesn't phase me anymore.
I just barely even notice it, but it scares the guests a lot.
tim pool
That's cool, that's great.
luke rudkowski
She's shell-shocked.
You'll be okay.
mary morgan
I'll never be the same.
luke rudkowski
This is awesome.
Thank you so much for coming.
I always appreciate when you're on.
My YouTube channel is youtube.com forward slash WeAreChange.
I'm getting absolutely screwed over there, but I do work very hard.
I just got a new video out there about all the craziness in the world.
WeAreChange on YouTube and Elon Musk is promising a video platform on Twitter.
LukeWeAreChange on Twitter.
serge du preez
We need a tissue first.
We will see you all over at TimCast.com.
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