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Sept. 16, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - NBC Deletes Tweet Calling Immigrants TRASH After DeSantis BROKE THEIR BRAINS w/Dr Drew
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ian crossland
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tim pool
I really can't say I'm surprised.
Ron DeSantis has shattered the minds of these urban liberal types of the media.
Let me just tell you very quickly, in the span of 24 hours, we went from Ron DeSantis is effectively putting these people, like treating them like it's the Holocaust, to we're going to show you just how proud and supportive we are of migrants, to calling in the National Guard, and now NBC had to delete a tweet calling these people trash, saying that Ron DeSantis was throwing his trash around.
It's the meme, okay?
Do you guys remember the gag from Babylon Bee?
Donald, ingenious move, Donald Trump supports impeachment, forcing Democrats to oppose.
This is what's, it's just, it's true, it's real, it's a thing.
I'm surprised.
I would like to make one request as we start the show.
Ron DeSantis, you are a legend, good sir.
It was a brilliant move that exposed the hypocrisy of those who vote for failed policies that are causing us harm, damage, and economic strife.
I just implore that you do it more.
Martha's Vineyard is beautiful this time of year.
There are tons of empty Airbnbs and summer homes.
And if they wanted to, they could pay the $200 to put a family in one of these houses, above board, on the level, right through Airbnb.
But for some reason, they call the National Garden, and now they're sending these people to a detention center at a military base?
Okay, I don't know if it's actually a detention center, but to a military base.
That is the warmth these people claim to have for the immigrants?
Yeah, well, DeSantis, he certainly exposed that.
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Joining us tonight to talk about this and more is Dr. Drew.
dr drew pinsky
Thank you guys, welcome.
So glad to be here.
Not easy to be here either.
tim pool
Out in the middle of nowhere?
dr drew pinsky
Yes, out in the middle of nowhere.
What a privilege.
tim pool
Oh, thanks for coming, man.
We're honored to have you.
dr drew pinsky
Who are you?
I'm Dr. Drew Pinsky.
I did a show for many years called Loveline.
I'm an internist, addictionologist, practiced medicine for 40 years, and alongside of that started doing media.
More recently, I'm doing a lot of digital stuff.
I have a streaming show on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, particularly the Wednesday show this group would be interested in.
I've been talking to all the people that have been silenced I just want to hear what they have to say, because many of them are very highly acclaimed professionals, and they were marginalized for no good reason, as far as I can tell.
tim pool
Well, this is actually how I ended up reaching out to you, because you got censored on YouTube, and you're Dr. Drew, and you weren't talking about anything off the rails.
It was an algorithm?
dr drew pinsky
It was an AI thing, yeah.
It's an algorithm that just nailed me, and I've been tagged by it before, and then the site gets taken down.
It gets taken out for periods of time, but we now have a relationship with a human at YouTube.
And so they told us that their main concerns were sort of with the therapeutics and they were okay with physicians talking, which has been great because now I've talked to Paul Alexander and Harvey Reisch and Peter McCullough and Robert Malone and hear what these guys have to say.
And it's helped me put together, you know, during COVID, 90% of the time for the first year I was like, what is going on?
What is going on?
I could not figure it out.
And I'm starting to put it together slowly but surely.
tim pool
It's very culty.
Just march in lockstep with whatever the approved narrative is.
dr drew pinsky
It was unbelievable.
And Harvey Reich said something just, this Wednesday at three o'clock Pacific time, so do tune in on that if you don't mind.
It's DrDrew.tv, DrDrew.com.
I'm sure you guys will put all this stuff up.
tim pool
And we'll get into all this other stuff too.
dr drew pinsky
But I was talking to Dr. Harvey Reich and he said it was psychopathic the way physicians behave, sending patients home until they came back with a PO2 of 85.
Just go home until you can't breathe.
What's PO2?
Oxygen saturation.
In the history of medicine, as the proper practice of medicine, we can't do anything.
Just get out of here.
Come back when you can't breathe.
tim pool
That's what they told me.
dr drew pinsky
That was insane.
tim pool
And then I called Joe Rogan.
And then he was like, you got to talk to a different doctor, man.
Here's the treatment that I did.
And then sure enough, 12 hours after getting the treatment, the monoclonal antibodies.
dr drew pinsky
Which everybody is free and everyone has access to them.
I got them myself too.
I got very sick with COVID for Delta.
And I got monoclonal antibodies.
I had a physician working for me and with me, a great guy, and he set them up within three days.
And while I was getting the infusion, I felt better.
Like literally colors got brighter in the room during the monoclonal antibody infusion.
And so I went on Instagram Live and said, listen, everybody, the public health community should be teaching you how to deal with your illness.
Here's something you need to know.
This stuff is free.
It's available.
And everybody was like, oh, you're special.
You got special treatment because you could pay for it.
No, it's available there, but they had a half a million doses sitting on the shelf back then.
tim pool
We'll get into all this stuff.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
We also got Luke hanging out.
luke rudkowski
Physicians talking to each other freely?
Blasphemy!
We should only trust Dr. Fauci and, of course, Bill Gates, who's pictured here very lovingly on my t-shirt saying, trust us.
And if you agree with this message that I'm trying to send you, you could get the shirt on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
But I agree with you guys.
I was here, Tim, when you were going through your thing.
I was like, dude, you got to call somebody to get antibodies.
And there's so many different things that we could get into.
I'm very excited for this conversation.
Dr. Drew, thank you so much for coming here.
tim pool
Who better to call than Joe Rogan?
unidentified
I mean, he's the trusted... Knows all, sees all.
luke rudkowski
And also, since we have a real medical doctor here, it's also important to remind everyone, Bill Gates is not a medical doctor.
Just wanted to say that for the record.
tim pool
And of course, Ian has returned.
ian crossland
Hello everyone, I'm sitting here in Alex Stein's microphone where it still smells like Alex and a chip.
Just kidding, Drew.
I love you.
Love Line changed my life in my early teens, you know, 11, 12, 13 years old.
Got to hang out and listen to Late Night about learning about sex from actual experts.
Oh, and Adam, I guess.
He's an expert in his own right.
Let's be honest.
dr drew pinsky
We used to call it back in the day, we called it the Gainsburger and the pill.
He was the Gainsburger, they wrapped the pill in, it was me.
ian crossland
It was such a good combo.
It still is.
I also had that monoclonal thing within an hour.
I felt better.
dr drew pinsky
It's crazy, right?
luke rudkowski
It's incredible.
ian crossland
Hey, I want to point this out before we get started.
This is my book.
You can get it on Amazon, Writing in the Dark.
Look at the font, look at the color.
And this is Klaus Schwab's book.
He just released.
I released mine 10 years ago.
tim pool
I just love the thought of Klaus Schwab.
He's like sitting there reading his Ian Booker, like, this is very good.
I want to do this, too.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, look at this.
ian crossland
Come on, Klaus.
So we're going to work together, me and Klaus, and we're going to help build a new world government.
Whether you guys like it or not, it's happening.
It's just a matter about doing it decentralized.
tim pool
What's that other book?
ian crossland
This other book is Genderqueer.
This comes up on the show from time to time.
This book was pulled out of Florida schools.
tim pool
I just, real quick, if we showed you what's in this book, we'd probably get taken off.
ian crossland
Yeah, I mean, it's very extreme.
Young kids doing sexual things, and it was in schools, so there was a big hubba-baloo about it.
tim pool
Don't show it.
ian crossland
Maybe talk about it on an aftershow one of these nights, but I had to get a copy myself just in case they end up trying to digitally retcon this thing.
I want it in the print.
lydia smith
Smart.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossman, by the way.
What up?
Let's get going.
lydia smith
I'm very excited for this evening because, like Ian, I used to listen to Dr. Drew late at night.
I had a lot of questions because I was homeschooled.
My family was super conservative Christian.
So a lot of my questions answered by Loveline.
dr drew pinsky
Well, there must be still more.
Tonight's the night.
lydia smith
Tonight.
I'm excited.
Let's do it.
tim pool
Alright, our first story.
We got this from the Daily Caller.
NBC deletes tweet comparing immigrants to trash.
I just, you know, I didn't expect it to go this far so quickly.
lydia smith
So fast!
tim pool
Ron DeSantis sent 50 illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard and it was like a political nuclear bomb.
Take a look at this.
NBC tweeted, Florida Governor DeSantis sending asylum seekers to Martha's Vineyard is like, quote, me taking my trash out and just driving to different areas where I live and just throwing my trash there, a founding member of a foundation which helps refugees says.
That is not only indicative of NBC News' what they're willing to publish, because they didn't need to choose that quote, but also these NGOs, these non-profits that claim to help these people, you see what they really think about them.
It reminds me of when that Osborne woman was on The View or whatever, Kelly Osborne, and she was like, if you deport these people, who's going to clean your toilet?
And they were like, You remember that?
That's what she said, right?
luke rudkowski
Specifically, she asked Donald Trump, going against Donald Trump's immigration policy, quote, who will clean your toilet when you deport?
tim pool
He could have been like, the white woman that I hired to clean my toilet.
Next question.
dr drew pinsky
You know, the other thing that people don't know is many refugees from multiple countries, most countries that you come in here as an asylum seeker, you're required to take for a week an antihelminthic medication that starts with an I. You're required by the CDC to take that medication for a week.
ian crossland
You're talking about ivermectin because it's a worm stunner?
dr drew pinsky
Because worms are so common in many of the asylum seekers that they're required by the CDC to take it for a week.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait.
Really?
So asylum seekers coming in for parasites are given ivermectin?
dr drew pinsky
Yes.
unidentified
Wow.
dr drew pinsky
Mandatory for a week.
You can look it up on the CDC website.
Just look at refugees, the CDC, CDC refugee, you know, therapeutic treatment.
luke rudkowski
Ivermectin is an incredible medication that has saved countless numbers of lives, used billions of times, and it comes from the soil in Japan, and we could get into this topic.
We're going to get into this topic a little bit, but we're just seeing... There it is.
tim pool
Yeah, look at that.
All Middle Eastern, Asian, North African, Latin American, and Caribbean refugees should receive ivermectin two doses, 200, was it micrograms per kilogram?
dr drew pinsky
Yep.
tim pool
Orally, once a day for two days before departure to the U.S.
That's really interesting.
I didn't know that.
dr drew pinsky
Well, um... Required CDC.
tim pool
We got a doctor here, so... There you go.
Yeah, and, um, it's crazy.
What are we gonna do now?
dr drew pinsky
Call it horse medicine and say the CDC is forcing... You know, one of the things that bother me with that whole horse medicine thing is every pharmacological agent has a veterinary application.
Why aren't we talking about Pepsids?
A veterinary Pepsid!
It's a veterinary pill!
You can get it over the counter at a pharmacy!
tim pool
We talked about this with epinephrine.
Sheep epinephrine is cheaper than the human epinephrine.
Granted, the human EpiPens are like single-dose instant shots or whatever, whereas you can buy a vial of the sheep stuff.
dr drew pinsky
I really tried to figure out where it came from.
I guess one couple tried it and that there were multiple calls to poison control centers asking questions about it.
I really tried to figure out where it came from. I guess one couple tried it and that there were
multiple calls to poison control centers asking questions about it. But all I could find is one
luke rudkowski
case. Well, it became a dole and stone. Well, the Rolling Stones did a very big investigative piece
about how people in a hospital in Oklahoma were ODing on it so much that of course it filled up
the emergency rooms and the whole story was absolutely made up out of nowhere.
The Rolling Stones should be absolutely disgraced with themselves and just run out of town, run out of business with the way that they slandered this medication that has saved so many lives on this journalistic project.
tim pool
I've never been a fan since the get-go with COVID that people have been pushing these therapeutics, and I felt like it was very tribal.
dr drew pinsky
Me too.
tim pool
But I do want to say I am very impressed in how we immediately shifted from an immigration story right into ivermectin.
unidentified
Why do you know about Chinese liver flukes in the eye?
dr drew pinsky
Why do you know about that?
tim pool
The river blindness stuff?
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
tim pool
Because when the whole ivermectin thing comes out.
dr drew pinsky
Oh, they discussed it.
Okay.
tim pool
Well, it's all in the news.
dr drew pinsky
It's a rare illness.
ian crossland
In the river, they would swim into the eyeball when they're swimming underwater?
dr drew pinsky
I don't know how they get it.
It was called a Chinese liver fluke.
We used to look for it in the eye.
I don't know how it gets there.
tim pool
But I think in Africa, it's really common or something.
And so, ivermectin is like a UN certified.
dr drew pinsky
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
But I want to stress this too.
I really do think that when it came to COVID, I did not, when I got COVID, this is the craziest thing.
I didn't want it.
I said, I didn't want it.
They gave me monoclonal antibodies that matched me up right.
And then four days later, they were like, well, we're your doctor.
We prescribed it.
And I was like, but I feel fine now.
And so even when I went on Rogan, I said I'm not confident in this, because I know there's a lot of studies, but there's a lot of contradictory studies.
dr drew pinsky
Let me just tell you.
tim pool
Just real quick, my point was The Daily Beast still ended up writing that I was the poster boy for Ivermectin, despite me constantly being like, nah.
dr drew pinsky
Well, let me add to that being not.
You know, back when we had nothing to offer, it's like, all right, whatever.
I saw it used a ton.
And it was like, people that were getting sick just kept getting sick.
They got worse.
Some people that were going to get well, got well, and I don't know if the medicine made a difference.
As opposed to now with PaxLavit or Monoclonal Antibodies, They're better the next day.
I mean, it's like, pa-pow!
They get better immediately.
tim pool
The PaxLavid stuff works?
dr drew pinsky
Oh my goodness.
Well, too well, actually, because you get these rebounds that are kind of common, and I'm wondering if it's affecting the immune response.
My daughter took PaxLavid better in two days, and then was not rebound, but reinfected six weeks later, or two months later, and it was like, eh, she should have still been immune.
luke rudkowski
But that's the drug that was also approved under emergency protocol, is that correct?
And I think some people are also saying that their side effects is this taste in their mouth of crap that they can't get out from this side effect.
And also, there's a lot of people who took it, like Joe Biden, and I think another very prominent politician.
had a rebound with this sickness so still everything is not known and when it comes to
the antibodies we've got to remember in January the Biden administration uh got rid of antibodies
and told everyone not to use it and prevented people from using it when it could have saved
unidentified
lives which is absolutely insane. I wanted to ask you um do you know the name of the of the
tim pool
phenomenon when you taste crap in your mouth and everything tastes like crap? You mean from Paxilvid?
It's not just from Paxlivid.
There's a word for it.
dr drew pinsky
Oh, syndrome?
Yeah, yeah.
Dysgusia, I think it's called?
Is that what it is?
tim pool
Dysgusia?
Because I remember people were getting COVID and then there's a video of a woman crying saying everything tastes like sewage.
dr drew pinsky
That's rare.
That's rare.
Usually it just doesn't taste or it tastes salty.
ian crossland
Dysgusia is the distortion of the sense of taste.
Is that kind of like disgusting?
Dysgush?
dr drew pinsky
I guess.
ian crossland
Hey, did they ever figure out what COVID was doing to people?
Because I heard that it was somehow causing the red blood cells to not be able to transport oxygen.
dr drew pinsky
Yes, that's probably true.
Probably due to microvascular injury.
Something about the spike protein and the lining of the endothelium, that's where the story is.
We don't have it fully worked out yet, but it was causing our tiniest vessels to dysfunction.
So, nutrients and oxygen and immune cells.
So, a lot of the brain stuff we've been worrying about is because of that, microvasculature.
In fact, it's pretty well established that the olfactory stuff, the smell stuff, is from
this microvascular process.
ian crossland
Oh, let's, let's.
luke rudkowski
The brain fog.
Just really, just one more click.
There was another study, there was another study.
dr drew pinsky
Am I rooting this, your program?
No, no, no.
unidentified
I just want to say one more thing, because this is such an important thing.
luke rudkowski
I can't stop.
We're building the roads as we go.
Just really quick, there's a new study released in the New England Journal of Medicine, a
study from Israel that talked about how Pax Lovid had no benefits to people under 65.
Yes, yes.
dr drew pinsky
That's the early studies that they opened up on as well.
So generally with COVID today, we know what we're doing with vaccines over the age of 75 and Pax Lovit over 65.
Otherwise, we don't really fully know what we're doing.
ian crossland
What is Pax Lovit?
dr drew pinsky
By the sense of, from a clinical and scientific standpoint, we're very clear, we're very solid, you know, over 75 or over 65.
tim pool
Under that, mm-mm.
I'm going to throw a lasso around this and yank it right back.
dr drew pinsky
What are you going to make a hook out for me?
tim pool
Pull it back to what's going on with the immigration stuff.
But we'll get back into this too.
I don't want to just shut that down.
But we actually just have a handful of other stories related to the immigration crisis.
luke rudkowski
It's the new Pfizer drug.
tim pool
Let me see if I can... I want to pull up this tweet and kind of wrap up the segment.
This is John Hayward who tweeted, 1.
Sending 50 migrants to Martha's Vineyard is like the Holocaust.
unidentified
2.
tim pool
Ha ha ha.
You just gave us a chance to show how compassionate we are.
3.
We demand emergency assistance.
4.
Get these damn migrants off our island.
unidentified
5.
tim pool
Call the National Guard all in 24 hours.
ian crossland
This is the red pilling of what, you know, migrancy can become.
Overly compassionate to a destructive purpose.
Like, yeah, the idea of letting people that are suffering in and helping them is great, but when you actually see what that means for an infrastructure that can't handle it, it can become destructive.
luke rudkowski
No, no, no, you're wrong.
The infrastructure can handle it.
Go on Airbnb right now, and you look at Martha's Vineyard.
There's enough houses that are available.
There's enough rooms that are available.
The Obamas have enough mansions that are available.
And someone said today on Twitter that, and it caught my attention... Mansions being won.
I'm sorry?
tim pool
Mansions being won in Martha's Vineyard.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, of course, of course.
But someone said something on Twitter that really caught my attention today, and it said that the Democrats have a new immigration policy.
And it's, quote, You don't gotta go home, but you can't stay here.
And that's exactly what happened in Martha's Vineyard.
And DeSantis put it right on their doorsteps and they showed what kind of big hypocrites they are.
tim pool
It's hilarious.
dr drew pinsky
Unfortunately, it's a violation of basic moral, certainly Kantian moral principles of using people as a means to an end.
It's a problem on all sides.
tim pool
I agree, but the issue is that Biden has been doing it.
The Biden administration has been trafficking children.
But here's the way I see it.
For DeSantis, we know there's a political stunt in Martha's Vineyard specifically.
I'm not a fan of any of these people doing it.
Now New York City is sending them back to Florida.
It's just outright crazy.
But here's the funny thing.
As they rag on Abbott and DeSantis over this, Biden's been sending the migrants to New York City.
So they completely ignore the problem when it's Biden doing it, sending them to New York.
Then as soon as Abbott or DeSantis does it, all of a sudden now it's a humanitarian crisis.
dr drew pinsky
Is that them or is that the media?
unidentified
Oh, the media.
tim pool
But they are the media.
I mean, what's the difference?
ian crossland
But this blaming, like, Biden or DeSantis, like, isn't it the cartels that are running human trafficking across our border?
tim pool
It is leftist NGOs with U.S.
influence going down and telling them the border's open and jobs are waiting for you.
ian crossland
That's right.
You had mentioned before the show that it might be big money involved.
tim pool
I don't know if... There's videos.
We've seen this during the big caravans of people who look American, talking and working with these people, and they're being told that you can come up, no one will stop you, and there's jobs waiting.
ian crossland
You were saying Ami Horowitz.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, Ami Horowitz has some good videos on this.
He embedded himself.
He said there's rail cars of food, and there's a hospital and a school that all travels with them.
I mean, it's thousands of people going thousands of miles.
What do you think?
You just rely on the kindness of strangers as you walk into their town?
tim pool
Foraging and farming as they go.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it's a business.
ian crossland
So someone's profiting off of it?
They're, like, getting paid?
luke rudkowski
It's human trafficking, essentially, what's happening here.
tim pool
I wouldn't be surprised if there's big business in the U.S.
behind it for cheap labor, things like that.
We've seen that in the past.
luke rudkowski
Well, Bernie Sanders called it a Koch Brothers plan, a billionaire's plan to get a bunch of cheap labor to, of course, lower wages and increase the housing costs for everyone else.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story from the Daily Mail.
Luke had just mentioned this a moment ago.
Daily Mail says, what homeless crisis?
Dozens of rooms and properties are available on Airbnb in Martha's Vineyard after homelessness director claimed 50 illegal immigrants could not stay because there's no affordable housing.
It's a big lie.
Look, pull up Airbnb and you will see the dozens, several dozen properties that are vacant right now.
And I know you might be saying, but Tim, that's private property.
You can't just force... I ain't gonna force anybody.
The local government of all of these very wealthy individuals who pay very large property taxes can spend the $200 per night to house these people until they can find a place for them.
I don't see... I'm not even trying to be cute here.
If these people shut up and said, what do we do with them?
Okay, it's going to cost us $10,000.
We're going to find them a home for three days to make them make sure they're comfortable, well taken care of and well fed.
We can easily afford the $10,000.
Then we'll find a place that's more permanent or a way to transition them to something more permanent.
Instead, what do they do?
They call in the National Guard, ship them off to a military base.
lydia smith
Oh, they also had a GoFundMe, they started.
$36,000 they raised.
dr drew pinsky
I have another homeless wrinkle as it pertains to immigration, that it's exposed something, which is that in the city of Los Angeles, we have 150,000 people sitting on the streets, lying on the sidewalks.
Sick as hell, but any event.
And we've had roughly 500,000 undocumented workers come into the city, give or take.
Of those 500,000 people, they have no home, no money, no family, no job, no passport, they're there illegally.
I dare you to find one on the street.
It's a housing problem and yet people with that kind of a burden find housing.
They have nothing and they find housing.
Not one of them on the street out of 500,000.
ian crossland
I used to live in LA and I worked at a restaurant with illegal immigrants that were working in the kitchen and they had like Their own housing structure set up that only they could live at and it was dirt cheap, like a hundred bucks a month.
I was paying like $1,200 a month.
dr drew pinsky
No, it's not that much.
They'd live in, they'd get eight or ten of them together and they'd get a place, you know, and they'd go do it and they'd survive and they'd work real hard and then they'd move out and find another place.
ian crossland
I think someone was funding their cheap rent.
I think it was like an organization was making sure they had a place to stay for very cheap while they were there.
tim pool
That makes sense.
Look, even if you pay, even if these companies are paying illegal immigrants, they don't gotta pay taxes.
So they say, like, so if they pay an illegal immigrant, minimum wage?
ian crossland
It wasn't my company that I was working at.
It was like another illegal immigration company or group that was, like, making sure they only... I don't know.
I don't know why their rent was so super cheap on Sunset in Silver Lake, L.A.
Yeah, it was insane.
tim pool
Key Bono?
Is that the thing?
luke rudkowski
The benefits?
tim pool
Yeah, the benefits.
Alex Jones says it all the time.
luke rudkowski
Yep.
tim pool
Key Bono.
ian crossland
And the worst part was that they were amazing people.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
This is what's so crazy.
dr drew pinsky
Yes.
ian crossland
But it's just the harsh reality of putting too many people together at once.
tim pool
It makes me feel like, you know, I mentioned this before the show, I mentioned it earlier on my other show.
It's the fall of the Roman Republic, not the Roman Empire.
A lot of people have likened what's happening now to the Roman Empire.
And maybe, I don't know, I was just reading and I was like, oh, it sounds like the Roman Republic.
Like someone comes in, because someone superchatted this yesterday saying that Caesar crossing the Rubicon wasn't the end.
It was transforming the Republic into the Empire, which made it last for another 200, you know, another two centuries.
And so I was thinking about that, right?
You bring up the homeless problem.
We've had a homeless problem in LA for what, decades?
Several decades?
And now we have Mass immigration problem.
Mass illegal immigration problem.
How are we supposed to accommodate more people when we can't even accommodate our own?
It's just gonna crumble and fall.
dr drew pinsky
But we could accommodate them.
We refuse to.
We actively have laws and systems that prevent us from treating these poor people.
ian crossland
Like, how do we do it?
dr drew pinsky
Oh my God, it'd be so simple.
I mean, these are all my patients.
Look, if you took that same population and put them in four walls in a room, and they were dying at the rate they're dying right now, that's a hospital.
Except there are no doctors and no nurses, and doctors and nurses are not allowed to interact with them or deal with them at all.
unidentified
Why?
dr drew pinsky
The hospital can't keep them?
they get so sick they end up in the ER.
And then if they say, I have a place to eat, I have two bucks for McDonald's, I have a
place to live, that's my tent over there, that's it.
You can't, I don't want to kill myself and somebody else, you can't keep them.
ian crossland
The hospital can't keep them?
dr drew pinsky
No, you can't keep them.
So are you saying these are people with like… Drug addiction, schizophrenia, bipolar, it's just a mess,
tim pool
it's just an open air asylum These people with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, if they were given medication would they thrive?
dr drew pinsky
I worked at the state senate for a while trying to get a law passed.
To take the heat off a little bit because we sent families up there and families are like, look, I have money, I have doctors ready to go, I have a bed for my son, please help me bring him in.
He doesn't want to come in because it's part of the illness.
They have something called anosognosia.
They're blocked in seeing what's going on with them.
They think they're living their best life.
They're just getting sicker and sicker and they die.
And anosognosia is a neurological term.
It just means kind of like denial.
And they just told him to scram.
Get out of here.
Get out of here.
Who are you to say?
tim pool
It's like it's on purpose, isn't it?
dr drew pinsky
Yes, it's disgusting.
It's terrible.
ian crossland
Why is this?
dr drew pinsky
You know, I did a documentary called Beyond Homelessness with the Salvation Army.
It's sort of making the rounds now.
And the woman that spearheaded that did the interviews and stuff, I was with her at a film festival.
I said, I'm so tired.
I just can't do it anymore.
I can't do it.
She goes, no, please keep going.
I go, I can't fight these guys.
Can we reason with them?
And she turned to me, she snapped me, she goes, it's a religion for them.
It's a religion.
You can't reason with them.
I thought, oh, great.
And the religion is people are free to do whatever.
There's no such thing as brain diseases.
There's no such thing that affects free will.
There's no such thing that affects judgment.
The only disease is dementia.
That one, if you don't treat, you've abused a patient.
And it is the same exact symptom complex.
luke rudkowski
And all the studies and what we knew about dementia was also artificially inflated by a scientist that just made science up.
That was also a recent scientific finding as well.
And Ian, you ask why?
Do you think the government cares about you, Ian?
Do you think the government ever cared about you?
Do you think they're there to provide a service?
They don't.
tim pool
Absolutely not.
He's wrong.
Luke, you're completely wrong.
Wrong.
Excuse me.
The government cares about you because if, yeah, if you're not around.
dr drew pinsky
Where are your taxes coming from?
tim pool
Exactly, exactly.
dr drew pinsky
California, they really need you.
tim pool
So they see you as like, you know, a fresh ripe apple to be juiced, to squeeze as much as they can.
And look, I got an apple tree.
Do I care about the apples?
Well, look, I'm not going to go save the apples when they're injured, rotting, or whatever.
I'm going to throw them in the garbage.
But I care about them insofar as I would like to take the ones that are good and use them for food and juice.
ian crossland
Is it the problem where the California doesn't want you to be able to go take someone off the street and be like, you're sick, come with me?
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, nothing like that.
Oh my god, nothing like that.
ian crossland
Can the people voluntarily come into the hospital and stay?
dr drew pinsky
Oh sure, but not when they're sick like that.
That's very rare.
We used to be able to keep people for suicide, homicide, and gravely disabled.
Gravely disabled is essentially gone.
tim pool
What if we did this?
What if we, you know, just put lithium in the drinking water from Vox.com in 2018?
How our drinking water could help prevent suicide.
Just put lithium in the water and that's scary, right?
dr drew pinsky
Are they really talking about it?
tim pool
Yes, this is Vox.com.
This is mainstream NBC funded Vox.com putting an article out arguing that we should put lithium in our drinking water to kind of desensitize people.
lydia smith
This is because they found that people who lived near water sources that had lithium were much happier, less stressed, less suicidal.
So they're like, all right, let's do it.
tim pool
Quote, unquote, happier.
Well, I mean, you knock on their door and they're like, hello.
ian crossland
In the right dose, I think it would probably be good for you.
I imagine it's the third element.
I mean, it's got to have something good.
lydia smith
Fluoridation.
This is fluoridation all over again.
dr drew pinsky
Well, but this is psychoactive.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
dr drew pinsky
And it's bad for your kidneys.
ian crossland
What's your experience with top-down medicine?
Because I find like saying this is the vaccine, everyone needs it, whereas everyone's different.
dr drew pinsky
The centralization of medicine is one of the biggest catastrophes I've ever seen.
Medicine is best practice, highly trained, caring physician, motivated, informed patient.
That is your most efficient unit, period.
Anything else screws it up.
Look, I didn't realize 80% of physicians are employed now.
So when all these physicians froze in place and stopped treating patients, I couldn't understand what was happening.
Well, they got word from on high, from the centralized authority, just send them home and that was it.
It was psychopathic.
luke rudkowski
And that's crazy.
And they didn't even talk about early treatments.
They didn't even talk about preventative treatments.
dr drew pinsky
They were told, they were instructed to shut up, don't do it.
tim pool
Exactly, which is crazy.
So I got sick.
And then I felt fine and I was like, I just feel like I'm a little sick.
Then it got bad.
And I was like, I'm going to call because maybe there's a protocol for this that I'm not aware of.
And you know, I'm somebody who reads constantly, but I was like, maybe they'll say like, hey,
take this vitamin, do this or otherwise.
I called the local hospital and they went, go to sleep.
dr drew pinsky
And then I was like, that's it.
tim pool
And they were like, just go to sleep.
They didn't tell me to do anything.
And then that night I got really bad and I was shaking.
And so I was like, man, I got to call Joe Rogan.
It's the only thing I can do.
dr drew pinsky
That's what I always think when I get sick.
I got to call Joe Rogan.
tim pool
But in all seriousness, it was, um, I had talked to a doctor and they said, there's nothing you can do.
But I knew from the news, not even from talking to Joe, that he had gotten monoclonal antibodies.
And I said, maybe, maybe there's something he knows.
dr drew pinsky
By the way, his treatment was like a year into the pandemic.
We had that stuff for six months before that.
tim pool
It's crazy.
dr drew pinsky
Dude, that to me is a public health failure.
They should have been educating people how to... They want to save lives?
Educate people how to deal with their illness.
tim pool
This is the crazy thing.
So, we all got sick.
We all got the monoclonal antibodies.
And we were all like just overnight just better.
It was a weird experience.
And then I remember hearing from my doctor that they were actually struggling to get more monoclonal antibodies at a certain point.
dr drew pinsky
There was a moment right around the time you probably got sick where they had trouble distributing it, trouble getting it, trouble accessing it.
tim pool
But they were saying it was because the government was shutting it down.
Yeah.
They were making it harder to get and then I think what Biden said no to it or... No, you know what?
dr drew pinsky
It was how they... I think they started sending it into areas of risk.
You know what I mean?
luke rudkowski
Well, no, Biden tried to take it away from Florida and Florida and Ron DeSantis had to fight back saying, no, stop trying to take it away from us.
And then they limited it because they said it was quote, ineffective, which absolutely made no sense at all.
And it was not backed by any science.
dr drew pinsky
One of the things that I've learned about public health is it's not about medicine.
Many of them are not even biologically trained, certainly not clinically trained.
It's about equity.
That is the new public health mantra, and it was not the right, it's an important prism, I get it, it's important, but it's not the whole story, and it was not useful or not important in terms of getting through this particular pandemic.
tim pool
Wasn't there somewhere?
luke rudkowski
There was people in Texas denied antibodies because they were the wrong color of skin.
unidentified
Correct.
dr drew pinsky
That happened to a patient of mine.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, which is absolutely mind-boggling, which is absolutely crazy.
You take care of someone depending on how much they need to be taken care of, not because of the way that they were born with a particular skin color.
And this happened in the United States.
There's a viral video of a guy filming as the nurse is telling him, you don't qualify.
He's, why not?
She's like, oh, you're white.
It's absolutely mind-boggling.
dr drew pinsky
Now, I'd forgotten about this chapter.
It's interesting.
I'd really forgotten about it, but I remember they were reallocating it and sending it places where, you know, you couldn't get it, but that was the deal.
I had a patient really get really sick with it.
Now, it was probably Omicron, and it was before we had Omicron-specific monoclonals, so I wasn't that, at the time, that upset about it, but I thought, man, it might have helped him, because he got really sick.
tim pool
He should file a suit.
I mean, that's a violation of the Civil Rights Act.
luke rudkowski
People died because they were denied care.
dr drew pinsky
They were specific criteria that he did not meet.
Just these criteria.
ian crossland
Has that changed now?
luke rudkowski
The most important criteria was the color of your skin.
dr drew pinsky
It was the same thing with the vaccine rollout, too.
Remember, the reason I got COVID, I couldn't get the vaccine because I wasn't the right as that first equity rollout.
Remember that?
tim pool
They started, yeah.
Marginalized people first.
dr drew pinsky
Right.
And I couldn't get it.
And even though I was treating COVID at the time, and I was going to go volunteer my time in the ER, they lost me because I got so sick.
tim pool
And that's why it's important to point out that the CEO of these big pharma companies are very good, honorable people because they chose not to get the vaccine because people couldn't do it.
ian crossland
Like the Sacklers.
They're very honorable.
The way they told people that, uh, what is it?
unidentified
It's an addictive, uh... Yeah, I could go all day on the opioid crisis.
dr drew pinsky
I'd live that one, man.
Well, you know, we have AB 2098 in California now where doctors have their license taken away if they give out misinformation.
You don't know about 2098?
No, tell me about it.
Oh my god, this other side of the country hasn't heard about this yet.
They passed a bill that says if any doctor is found to be giving out misinformation that it deviates from the standard of care, their license could be covered.
ian crossland
What's the standard of care?
dr drew pinsky
That's the problem!
I've seen standard of care.
When I first got to the psychiatric hospital, I started working in a psychiatric hospital in 1985.
When I first got there, I acquired about two dozen patients that were The subjects of the standard of care in the late 40s and 50s, somebody put an ice pick up above their eye and swooped it back and forth and they were disasters.
Disasters.
And that was the standard of care.
Then I had to live through the opioid standard of care.
Pain is the fifth vital sign, remember that?
Pain is what the patient says it is.
Pain controls what the patient says it is.
They also started prosecuting physicians for inadequate treatment of pain, so we all froze, and we all froze and sent everything to the pain doctors, the pain management guys, who felt that anybody that didn't use as much opiates as possible was opiophobic, the patients are in control, let them decide what they need, and my patients were being killed hand over fist.
tim pool
What is Vicodin?
dr drew pinsky
That's an opiate.
tim pool
It is an opiate.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
There's opiates and opioids.
They're just the same thing.
tim pool
They're the same thing.
ian crossland
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Many people believe, you know, your politicians could be bought off by multinational corporations, but many people don't realize your doctors could be bought off by multinational corporations.
tim pool
YouTube's starting to hiccup and give us the business.
We got a warning.
dr drew pinsky
Oh, see?
unidentified
You said the I word.
I still got us rolling.
tim pool
It's hiccuping.
We were talking about an issue pertaining to the CIA and the FBI and politics, and then the video froze.
And then when you go back to watch it, that section is missing.
It's not there.
It's important that we talk about the system.
We've got ultra high-speed business, very expensive internet.
I can see that our stream rate is green and perfect.
And people in the chat are like, F, F, F, and the video is struggling right now.
So don't... I'm sorry if I don't believe it's a coincidence that we're having this conversation and all of a sudden it's like... Believe nothing.
ian crossland
Nothing!
dr drew pinsky
It's what I deal with all the time.
ian crossland
Yep.
Yeah, don't assume anything.
dr drew pinsky
I've infected your guy.
Let's talk about the Civil War.
There's so much good Civil War.
unidentified
No, they don't care.
tim pool
They don't care when we talk about that.
dr drew pinsky
I know, that's what I'm saying.
Let's just get off this.
Because I literally, I'm like, Harper Ferry is right here.
tim pool
It's like John... Dr. Drew, do you think there's a Civil War coming?
dr drew pinsky
No.
tim pool
No, you don't.
dr drew pinsky
Do not.
tim pool
Really?
Why not?
dr drew pinsky
I just, I don't see armies forming.
There could be some violence that happens, I'm sure.
tim pool
Armies forming, though.
Why do you think armies would need to form?
dr drew pinsky
I mean, civil unrest is not civil war, you know.
Maybe my idea of civil war is sort of outdated.
tim pool
It's based on America.
And when you look at other countries' civil war, Syria for instance, there weren't armies.
I mean, you had the Syrian army, right?
But that's the national army.
You had, I think, in the beginning of the Syrian revolution and civil war, 12 disparate factions of random people with random weapons.
There's even a video of, I think it was, it wasn't ISIS, it was another terror, well they say terror group, I'm not sure exactly which group it was, driving a truck from Detroit or whatever.
They get their hands on whatever they get their hands on.
And so I think one of the mistakes a lot of people make is they assume civil war is going to be like one, you know, faction of states and their armies versus another faction of states and their armies because of an American perspective.
You look at Spain and other countries and it's like, I mean, we've got militant far-left extremists engaging in terror.
We've got right-wing militias lurking in the shadows and training and biding their time.
dr drew pinsky
I just think we have 50 independent states.
They are also different one another.
People just vote with their feet.
They'll just move.
tim pool
But that is a precursor to civil conflict or civil unrest or war.
What's that?
dr drew pinsky
Movement?
tim pool
Geographic hyperpolarization.
So I hear from a lot of people, one of the scariest things actually is people started moving out of New York with COVID and all that stuff, people started moving for political reasons, we moved for political reasons.
We were in South Jersey, the riots happened, the riots crossed the bridge, and I went, this is crazy!
Rioters crossed the bridge out of Philly into the suburbs?
Nah, I'm not interested in that.
So we come out to the tri-state, you know, mostly West Virginia area, and what ends up happening is Geographic hyperpolarization will result in staunch jurisdictions, which could result in a confederacy and a union type scenario.
You need people, so you got New York City with like, oh it's, you know, California's a state, 60% Democrat, 30% Republican or something like that.
That actually keeps some stability, but it keeps skewing further and further into the left, because people who are... I'm leaving.
You're leaving?
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
tim pool
And then the state will become completely dominated by one faction.
It already is.
dr drew pinsky
It already is.
tim pool
And right, but getting worse.
So then California allows illegal immigrants to come to their border, but guess what?
There's no border checkpoint between California and, say, Nevada.
Eventually, one of these other states is going to say, we won't tolerate this.
Arizona, maybe.
And they'll put up a border checkpoint and say, California won't do it.
Well, we're going to guard from California and from our southern border.
Carrie Lick talks about declaring an invasion and sending the National Guard down to the southern border if she wins the gubernatorial election.
Carrie, what are you going to do with the borders to the west of these other states?
Are you going to put up checkpoints and National Guard there?
Because if California lets them in, they'll come in there and they'll come right through.
These are the kind of things that I think will lead to the escalation.
And I think one of the scariest things, actually, is we're in this calm before the storm, where you get people like Bill Burr saying, if you go outside and you talk to people, nobody's fighting anybody!
It's just the internet!
And it's like, yeah, that's like when people have hyperpolarized to the point where, of course, Democrats aren't fighting Democrats in New York.
They agree with each other.
Of course, you know, conservatives in southern states aren't fighting each other.
They agree with each other there.
Now you're seeing split via territory to a more and more extreme degree.
And this is not a new phenomenon.
There was a map that was posted.
I think it may have been by Matthew Iglesias.
I'm not entirely sure.
A guy from Vox.
And it shows how since the 80s, It was a map of partisanship by region, and the country was mostly white because it was 50-50 in most places, with some pink and some light blue in certain areas that were somewhat partisan.
And every election cycle you can see areas getting darker red and areas getting darker blue.
That's been the 20 years of geographic hyperpolarization.
So I'm not saying I know for sure, Um, but I'm, I'm certainly worried that we're in that territory and that things are getting worse.
dr drew pinsky
I worry that something bad could happen.
I worry.
I'm not clear what it takes to get out of this.
I have faith in the better angels of our nature, but we'll see.
tim pool
Since we started talking about Civil War, YouTube's connection has drastically improved.
dr drew pinsky
How's that?
unidentified
Weird.
tim pool
No, for real.
luke rudkowski
Let's test it out again.
Let's talk about the medical stuff right now and talk about Big Pharma robbing and screwing everyone's health over.
tim pool
I don't trust Big Pharma.
I've never trusted Big Pharma and I'm surprised that all of the former leftists, I don't know what you'd call them these days, are now just in favor of Big Pharma.
dr drew pinsky
It's weird, isn't it?
Yeah, it's very weird.
Not just in favor, but virtue signal around them.
Everything they say, it just does say it's the Lord.
luke rudkowski
And attack non-believers.
tim pool
We were ragging on, I should say we, but the country was ragging on Pharma Bro for a long time.
dr drew pinsky
These pharmaceutical companies are ripping us off and now it's like... I don't think they understand on what flimsy evidence everything was pushed through.
Yeah.
How extraordinary the circumstance were.
And that was extraordinary circumstance, I understand.
And if they were more clear, like, hey, it's a wartime kind of posture and we're going to have a, it's a fog of war in addition, and we're not quite sure what we're doing, but we're probably going to accept more problems than we normally would.
We normally wouldn't push stuff like this through, but we're trying to deal with a horrible problem.
tim pool
They didn't say that.
Is there someone at YouTube with their finger, like they have a throttle button?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And they're like, oh, they're doing it again.
And they just push it.
That's probably it.
It's probably just AI.
luke rudkowski
But Dr. Drew, it didn't change.
There's now, what, eight lab rats that are behind the latest procedure that they're trying to tell everyone to take right now?
dr drew pinsky
And they all got COVID.
tim pool
Yes!
luke rudkowski
There's eight lab rats that are behind the latest study that is having the FDA pushing this latest booster shot.
dr drew pinsky
The so-called bivalent booster has not been tested on humans.
luke rudkowski
Period.
Only eight rats.
ian crossland
Has it been given to humans?
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, now it has been distributed.
It's being pushed 12 and up.
luke rudkowski
The FDA is telling people to go get it.
dr drew pinsky
It's the rush.
ian crossland
I don't like the rush.
dr drew pinsky
The more serious problem is the fact that... This is CBS.
tim pool
This is CBS reporting.
Right here, cbs17.com.
They say, should it matter, they say.
dr drew pinsky
Well, because the reason the justification is this is how we develop our flu shots.
This is how we test and develop flu shots every year.
That is a very, very different sort of platform.
tim pool
Just real quick, this one's for you, YouTube.
All we're talking about is CBS, a CBS website that is NewsGuard certified with a 92.5 out of 100 score saying, They say the basic fact is true.
The preliminary findings presented by Pfizer were based on tests in eight mice.
There you go.
ian crossland
That's complete insanity in my opinion.
luke rudkowski
And now the FDA is telling you to go get it.
ian crossland
Unless it's an emergency.
luke rudkowski
It gets worse.
dr drew pinsky
It gets worse.
luke rudkowski
Thank you.
dr drew pinsky
So there is all this, you know, Dr. Paul Offit, one of the major proponents of the vaccine, the mRNA vaccine stuff, and by the way, Above 75, I'm vaccinating the hell out of my patients.
And they're taking this one too.
Because the benefits are clear.
They've done great and Paxvit, I'm using lots of Paxvit in that age group.
If you're over 75 years of age, the consequences can kill you and the treatments are working.
They're preventing that.
They're preventing serious illness.
They're preventing them from dying.
This is what's going on in the older age groups.
Younger, it gets much less clear.
You brought up earlier 65 under for Paxil.
We don't know what we're doing.
We really don't know what we're doing under 40 with the vaccines.
We really don't know.
But Dr. Paul Offit, because of a signal that's coming out that maybe there's some problems in younger males, particularly with the Moderna vaccine, he said, you know, I don't think the younger males should take this Omicron vaccine.
Wellensky, the head of the CDC, came out and said, they asked her, they go, Paul Offit's your guy.
He said, don't do this.
Why are you saying 12 and above?
And she goes, she literally says this out loud into a microphone on a national platform.
We're just trying to simplify our messaging.
So we're saying 12 and above.
To simplify our messaging inside of there being a possible problem with the vaccine in males.
tim pool
So this was Paul Offit you said?
dr drew pinsky
Yep.
tim pool
How do I look this one up?
luke rudkowski
Good luck on Google.
dr drew pinsky
Dr. Paul Offit young male vaccine.
There it is.
There it is.
Right there.
For kids under 5.
He's saying no.
luke rudkowski
5 to 11.
No need to explain it better.
dr drew pinsky
There it is.
luke rudkowski
Down below.
You were just there.
tim pool
This one?
luke rudkowski
One more.
lydia smith
We need to explain it better.
tim pool
Yeah, and I will stress this too, you know, Dr. Drew... That was the original vaccine.
dr drew pinsky
That wasn't this one.
tim pool
Obviously, you are literally Dr. Drew, but I would encourage people if they're, you know, for whatever their health issues are... Talk to your doctor!
dr drew pinsky
Doctor and patient.
unidentified
That's it.
dr drew pinsky
Talk to your doctor.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dr. Drew is not your doctor.
dr drew pinsky
No, I was educational.
tim pool
This is a podcast.
dr drew pinsky
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
And also I think it's important to consider too that generalities versus specific issues.
dr drew pinsky
And I'm not saying don't get the vaccine.
I'm saying I'm not by any means, like I said, I'm recommending it strongly really pre all my patients over 65.
It's that when you get younger and you're male, make that decision with your doctor.
It's a hard decision.
You got to make that together.
tim pool
I just, my point is, I think when it comes to the internet stuff, people might see a general claim or a general thing.
It doesn't apply to them and they might not realize it unless they go and talk to it.
ian crossland
I mean, you said, what was the quote?
They want to be as general as possible.
dr drew pinsky
No, they said we need to simplify our messaging.
I'm just saying 12 and above.
luke rudkowski
We are simplifying our message.
You need to get your fully bolstered if you're over the age of 12.
ian crossland
And what we're talking about is not making simplified statements about this.
So for a doctor to be simplifying things to a patient, it's kind of stupid.
Like take it whenever.
dr drew pinsky
There's a problem.
If that's now the standard of care.
And so if I talk to a patient, go, Hey, look, there's, here's the signal.
We're concerned.
And 17 year olds were seeing this.
Now I violated the standard of care.
I could lose my license.
ian crossland
Simplified?
luke rudkowski
If you're looking for the video, I just retweeted it, by the way, on my Twitter account.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, he was up at the top of the page here.
ian crossland
I mean, if anything, this is exposing that our system of medicine in the world is very chaotic right now.
tim pool
Let me read what Poynter says.
Poynter says, Walensky told Jansing, we are simplifying our message.
The message is, you need to get your fall booster vaccine, so go ahead and get it.
If you're over the age of 12, if you've received your primary series, if you're more than two months out of your last shot, you can get an updated vaccine.
And so we've intentionally simplified the message so it's very, very clear.
It's also very clear that those who are over the age of 50, even over the age of 60 or 70, are more at risk for severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
And it is especially important that people in that demographic and others who are at high risk of severe disease get that She made tons of sense in the latter half of that statement.
dr drew pinsky
When I was listening to it, when it happened, I thought it was so weird.
The beginning part of it was like, what are you saying?
And then the latter part was like, okay, yeah, that's right.
ian crossland
for someone to say you need to do this.
That's not my doctor.
tim pool
Why don't they just tell you to please go and consult your physician?
dr drew pinsky
I have no idea.
tim pool
So Casey Neistat, he's a cool dude. I'm a big fan of his.
He tweeted something like go get vaccinated.
And then I responded with go and talk to your doctor first or something like that.
And then he said something to me like.
Funny, I didn't go to a doctor, I just went to a- Pharmacy.
No, a drive-through.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
tim pool
Stuck my arm out the window and they gave me the vaccine.
And then I was like, that person doesn't know your history.
They don't have a relationship with you.
It's just a random person.
Like, to me, that seems irresponsible.
You should go to your doctor, but here's the crazy thing.
The response I got from all of these people were like, I was being an anti-vaxxer for telling people, telling people, go to a doctor and ask about the vaccine.
That was considered anti-vax.
And I was like, I don't understand.
dr drew pinsky
And it goes, and you're a Trumper, except you're not a Trumper because it's his vaccine.
So it's very strange.
tim pool
They respond to me, but Tim, the doctor would just say, get the vaccine.
And I'm like, then what's the problem?
Here's my thing.
Here's my thing.
If you go to somebody who's not your doctor and ask them for medication, I think you're in trouble.
Call Joe Rogan.
But I mean, Joe Rogan's advice was call a doctor.
You know what I mean?
If you go to someone who's not your doctor, Who's like a pharmacist attack or something to get a medication and they don't know your history.
My concern with all of this was that... Oh, we're getting the error again.
My concern was that there are adverse effects for all medications.
dr drew pinsky
Any time you interact with the medical system, there's always potential for trouble.
tim pool
And so, when you go to your doctor, they ask you for your allergies and things like that.
If you go to a stranger, and they don't know you, and you sit down in front of a 7-Eleven, I mean, what if you have an egg allergy, which was one of the counterindications or whatever?
I think it's really important that people just do, like, hey, this is a really important thing that's going on with this pandemic, you should talk to your doctor.
Because what I don't want to see is people who could have avoided adverse events, Yeah.
being subject to these adverse events, and then conspiracy theorists being like,
aha, that's proof. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You go to your doctor, minimize risk, maximize your benefit. Your doctor knows
dr drew pinsky
your medical history better than anybody else. And can fully inform you for your particular
circumstance. So you do a truly informed consent on the care as opposed to mandated, streamlined, you know,
sort of recommendations.
tim pool
It's kind of hitting us again.
ian crossland
It's as if it's kind of being treated where there's no public sanitation, because like the Spanish flu, I think they were afraid it was going to be something like that, but they didn't have like running water and soap.
A lot of people didn't.
I mean, a lot of people did.
But if we didn't have running water and COVID hit, it probably would have killed a huge segment, like half the population.
You know, it could have without running water.
tim pool
No, this is actually a good point.
I think what people don't realize, too, is when the pandemic first hit, a lot of people, myself included, we were like, hey, maybe we got to take this seriously.
This is getting freaky.
We were looking at what's happening in China and stuff.
And maybe it would have been a hundred years ago when we didn't have the same degree of sanitation and access to refrigerators and clean running water and things like that.
It probably would have been substantially worse.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
COVID, it was nasty.
It was nasty to me.
dr drew pinsky
Do you know where, say, terms like social distancing came from and six feet distancing?
Made up out of whole cloth.
Completely, completely made up by the NIH.
Completely.
ian crossland
By who?
NIH?
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
There was a guy named Paul Alexander who was at the table and he was like, why six feet?
He goes, sounds right.
And you will not find, see the term social distancing in any infectious disease tech book in publication.
It doesn't exist.
And that six feet is just completely made up out of whole cloth.
Yeah, and all these things, lockdown, that was all made up too.
That's never been advocated before in human history.
luke rudkowski
The plexiglass thing, totally made up as well.
dr drew pinsky
No science behind it as well.
luke rudkowski
And you couldn't get anywhere else, yes.
And it also made sure that the germs were all building up on one particular wall and platform and staying there.
And as you said, you're getting me riled up because Because you're bringing up all the things that I remember that are just coming back in the back of my mind and I'm ready just to now on a tangent.
dr drew pinsky
It needs a post-mortem where I'm trying to interview all the people and put it all together.
So that's what I'm doing on Wednesdays at 3 o'clock Eastern Pacific time.
tim pool
I do want to talk about censorship because we've had this story in waiting.
dr drew pinsky
You're being censored right now!
Just because I'm talking about medicine by a physician with doubly board certified two fellowships and I'm I'm being censored for just discussing the facts.
ian crossland
Maybe.
We don't know for sure.
dr drew pinsky
Oh, it just happens to me all the time.
tim pool
I gotta say that there's very few circumstances where for some reason, it's on YouTube's end, okay?
So for those that are just tuning in, we're getting weird hiccups on the show.
And we have a high-speed gigabit fiber connection.
We track our own network.
It's robust.
It's professional.
It's not on our end.
On YouTube's end, something must be going wrong.
Forgive me if I don't think this is just coincidence.
dr drew pinsky
And it correlates with us talking about these particular topics.
tim pool
We like switch to Civil War and then it I'm not kidding.
It says excellent connection and then a yellow bar appears saying error YouTube is not receiving enough information.
ian crossland
That's fifth generational warfare.
If it's really happening, which might be, I worked in social media administration, sometimes stuff goes wrong, people think it's... Coincidence.
Yeah, yeah.
It can oftentimes be technical glitches.
But, you know, that's what fifth generational warfare is, is psychological warfare when you don't know what's happening.
dr drew pinsky
Alex Berenson got another opinion from a judge today.
tim pool
Oh, this is huge.
We got to pull this up.
dr drew pinsky
To this point.
It's a Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
tim pool
Yeah, the floodgates have been opened, my friends.
Let me pull up his Twitter account.
All right, let's see.
dr drew pinsky
There it is.
tim pool
Is this one, is that right?
So here we go, ladies and gentlemen, this is huge news.
Alex Berenson, he's a journalist, says, boom, I say again, boom!
The Federal Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals just said Twitter and other social media platforms don't have an unlimited right to discriminate against speech.
Let a thousand flowers bloom.
I hope James O'Keefe is listening somewhere off in the distance and gearing up for war.
Here we go.
It says the First Amendment protects speech.
It generally prevents the government from intervening with people's speech or forcing them to speak.
The platforms argue that because they are host and transmit speech, the First Amendment also gives them an unqualified license to invalidate laws that hinder them from censoring speech they don't like.
And they say that license entitles them to pre-enforcement facial relief against HB 20.
We reject the platform's attempt to extract a free-willing censorship right from the Constitution's free speech guarantee.
The platforms are not newspapers.
Their censorship is not speech.
They're not entitled to pre-enforcement facial relief.
Is it fascial?
Is it facial?
And HB 20 is constitutional because it neither compels nor obstructs the platform's own speech in any way.
The district court erred in concluding otherwise and abused its discretion by issuing a preliminary injunction.
The preliminary injunction is vacated and this case is remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.
The floodgates have been opened.
Not to mention, not to mention, we've seen numerous reports now that the federal government has been colluding with big tech to censor.
So, particularly when it came to Fauci, Luke, you mentioned this, they went after a Fauci parody account.
They were like, can we get this one taken down, it's not one of ours, something like that.
The government went after Alex Berenson, the White House, I believe it was the White House, contacted Twitter and said, why haven't you banned him yet?
Yes, correct.
dr drew pinsky
He won that case.
tim pool
He won it.
dr drew pinsky
Well, he didn't win the case, he got... Settlement.
And he got a settlement and he got the disclosure.
He got the, what do they call it when you can find all the facts?
unidentified
Discovery?
dr drew pinsky
Discovery, he got discovery.
And that's where they found this communication.
tim pool
And now he's won another major victory here.
So, this is fantastic.
dr drew pinsky
He told me it's just the beginning.
He's gonna continue.
tim pool
Good, I'm glad to see it.
Maybe we need a concerted effort.
Maybe we need to figure out how we can, I mean, anybody who's been impacted by this needs to file suit.
I think we've got a class action already.
dr drew pinsky
There are a bunch of physicians doing class action against Facebook.
tim pool
Oh, and that one's really important, especially.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, because they ruined people's career.
They really destroyed people.
Why?
Because fear, the public health authorities in this country decided they needed to use fear to follow a zero-COVID policy, and they believed their Chinese associates and professional colleagues that the lockdown was the only way to do that.
That was the first time this country, the West, had ever thought about locking down.
It was the Chinese Communist Party policy.
tim pool
I will say this as well right now.
With this statement here from Alex Berenson, I am going to have our lawyers sitting ready and waiting.
dr drew pinsky
In case they censor tonight?
tim pool
Or otherwise.
I mean, it is absolutely insane that these companies think they are immune.
And I've argued this a million times.
Now that we know there's been direct collusion, I'd be willing to bet we can find the same collusion between Google and the government that we found between Twitter and the government and Facebook.
Mark Zuckerberg's admission, you think YouTube's clean in this one?
I doubt it.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
dr drew pinsky
Why are they focused on certain things?
tim pool
So YouTube can back off and let conversations in the public sphere happen Or they can face discovery and be included in this wave, which will ultimately create a cascade of negative impacts on their platform.
luke rudkowski
Mainline medical doctors were censored.
Their voice was taken away from the commons because they dared to show data and science that didn't go along with the narrative and paradigms they wanted people to go along.
So seeing this news, it emboldens me.
It shows me, you know what?
Take me down.
Censor me.
Because we could fight this in a court of law.
And I will.
If anything happens to me from now on, let's go.
dr drew pinsky
To be fair, I now have a relationship with YouTube, and they've very kindly reinstated it.
So you can get reinstated.
luke rudkowski
Not just yourself, but there's other doctors.
dr drew pinsky
It's the AI that's the problem, and they need to adjust that.
luke rudkowski
It's not just that.
It's not just that.
There's other doctors, we can't even mention their names here, that you interviewed, that don't have a relationship, that haven't gotten their channel back.
So it's not just the AI.
tim pool
This is the issue.
With rulings like this, what will happen is, I assure you that when this, when this, he posted this four hours ago, I'm willing to bet that a legal team that's working with YouTube or whatever immediately said, we need to have a meeting right now.
And I would imagine part of their advice to YouTube was, if you do cross that line, you could, so we'll put it in simple math terms.
If you think someone saying a bad thing on your platform will cause you, let's say, one degree of damage, so you make a move against that to rectify that one degree of damage, you could then be on the hook for 10 times as much damage.
If you censor someone because you don't like what they've said and they sue you, it might open the floodgates to eliminate all of your protections.
So you need to pull back.
This is what often happens.
They'll say, don't fight this battle because it'll make things worse.
An example is, When it was, what was it, Mississippi had that, the abortion law, was that Mississippi?
And then that, so, this group was like, we're gonna sue to stop this!
And then the Supreme Court basically wipes out Roe v. Wade.
This is one of the big issues with getting involved in a legal battle.
You can make it worse for yourself when you lose, or you can strategically retreat and pull back.
ian crossland
This makes me think that Twitter, apparently corporations think they have free speech.
A corporation, an entity, an invisible entity thinks it has free speech on the U.S.
Constitution.
Maybe it does, technically.
They do.
But megacorps are different beasts.
And social media is like the phone company.
It's not, it doesn't, choosing who to shut down is not a form of free speech.
If you come, maybe if you come into my house and you're saying something I don't want you to say, I control the land.
I can, I have, my free speech overrides yours.
I guess that's the way it works legally.
But for a corporation, no, I think times have changed.
tim pool
They're a phone company.
I'll tell you what, if YouTube says, if the rules were this, if you violate our policies, we will remove you from the partner program, I would say, fair enough.
Yeah, it is.
I don't believe there's an obligation for YouTube to sell on my behalf advertising, but to restrict people's access to your content.
We've been dealing with this now for the past couple weeks, probably because we're within two months of the election.
Our thumbnails don't load.
When we launch the livestream for this show right now that you're watching, many of you might notice on the homepage of YouTube, even if you do see it, it's a gray block.
And then Ian will be like, Tim, the thumbnail's not up.
And I'm like, ouch!
And I have to go in and put it up.
Every night.
Almost every night.
And the issue is, we can see that that has a direct impact on viewers because people scrolling their homepage won't see the thumbnail and they just won't, out of sight, out of mind.
We also, several times in this show, got a weird YouTube error when we talked about certain things.
That literally happens.
So, you know, look.
They play these dirty games.
They've been playing them with us for a while now.
And it is insane to me that YouTube is basically supposed to be like a common carrier.
It's supposed to be like a phone company.
It's supposed to be a platform.
But instead they act like a newspaper.
They have editorial rules.
They say, here's our editorial rules you have to abide by.
Sometimes they don't even tell you the rules.
There was an instance where there was a guy we call Voldemort.
If you said his name, they would delete your video outright.
Even though it was never posted in their rules, that was the case.
dr drew pinsky
Right.
Well, I've gone back several times and asked what the rules are.
They won't tell you.
tim pool
Right.
They have some rules listed.
I know one guy.
I'm not going to say his name because I don't want them coming after his new show, but with no strikes, no rule breaks, they deleted his entire channel.
300 and something thousand subscribers.
dr drew pinsky
You know they did tell us that they were having sort of, they were under sort of a multinational attack right now with a lot of misinformation, which is kind of interesting to me.
That somebody's trying to already stir things up as the election goes in.
And to some extent, I kind of, you know, I want them not to be allowing stuff that's designed to harm us, right?
And they have found that certain topics are in that zone.
luke rudkowski
But just really quick, I think there's no rules because they want you to be paranoid.
They want you to censor yourself.
They want you to be scared to even dare... Mission accomplished!
...ask something that could go against the grain or the establishment.
dr drew pinsky
And I think... How about this?
I can lose my license.
luke rudkowski
I'm scared shitless.
ian crossland
Let it out, Drew.
luke rudkowski
It's a lot more sinister than just like, hey, let's try to keep the rules here.
Because you look at what Facebook was doing with the FBI.
Facebook was colluding with them, giving them information, spying on people, getting people's private messages, but they also did that with COVID.
There's Facebook emails showing how Zuckerberg was offering Dr. Fauci data on users to help the lockdown policies, to help people make sure that they weren't going outside of their homes.
Facebook was volunteering that information, so the way that they work together, the way that they collude is far more interconnected than we even know about.
ian crossland
I think if we're going to avoid a civil war, it's by giving people control of their social media networks and their money.
I know they're trying to turn Ethereum into the new global currency right now.
tim pool
Really?
Ethereum?
ian crossland
That's what it's pretty much.
They're like, oh, they just took Ethereum off of proof of work, meaning the miners that were making it.
It's no longer that.
Now it's proof of stake as of like two days ago.
So whoever has the Ethereum is going to control the Ethereum network.
Basically, they created fiat.
They just created another digital fiat.
And it looks like they're going to try and make that the global currency.
Ethereum?
dr drew pinsky
Who's they?
ian crossland
Ethereum.
Who is doing it?
Probably the American government, the World Economic Forum, the Chinese government.
You know, those are probably the three biggest movers on the planet.
tim pool
Are you familiar with the Great Reset?
dr drew pinsky
I see a book right there about it.
ian crossland
You'll be happy?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
You will own nothing and you will be happy.
I'm sorry, that's the quote, but it's actually, you will own nothing, you will have no privacy, and you will be happy.
The actual quote was from a tweet.
The year is, was it 2030?
2030, I own nothing, I have no privacy, and I've never been happier.
luke rudkowski
It was an article in a policy paper that they were pushing for their vision of what's going to be happening in the future, which goes along the same principles of the UN 2030 vision.
tim pool
I just want to point out, too, that to a certain degree, owning less stuff will actually make you happy.
They say that when you own stuff, your stuff owns you.
But what we're getting from their vision of it is not exactly what is meant by owning nothing.
Owning nothing is like having your necessities and then foregoing the ridiculous quest for material goods like luxuries.
But their vision is more like you're gonna eat a bag of crickets and live in a pod.
ian crossland
I think they want to strip property rights away from people, and that's like the basis of this country.
tim pool
And that's the basis of communism.
luke rudkowski
And that you won't be able to escape, and you won't be able to have a car, and you won't be able to transport, and you won't be able to move anywhere.
tim pool
It's the worst thing, you know, like back in the day, if like things got bad, you could be like, well, I guess I'll go exile myself and live in the woods or whatever, or just go off somewhere else.
There's nowhere to go anymore.
They track you everywhere.
ian crossland
It's by design.
Well, I don't know if it's everywhere, but that's what they... You guys are totally depressing me.
Yeah, I'm stressed about this because I feel like we're about to evolve from the liberal economic order, which we've had since 1946, where it's American-led, rules-based economy, military bases, to a new world order, which is like this new global technocratic governance where they're trying to spy on people and make sure they're not stepping out of line because they don't want people to go crazy.
They don't want people to blow things up.
They don't want Hitler to come again.
I get it.
I get the purpose may be seen like benevolent, but stripping people of their property rights isn't going to go well in the United States.
Um, and we need to work together with you, Klaus, and you know that, uh, to make a better world.
I-I think decentralized property ownership is key, man.
tim pool
Can- Ian, you know, when I- when I go out to Chicken City, and they're- they're balking at me, do you think I care?
No, but- Margaret escaped today.
ian crossland
Not at all, but we're not chickens.
tim pool
Margaret rules.
Margaret escaped.
She- she was- Where'd she go?
So we have, uh, we have Chicken City.
And then we have a green plastic fence around it so the chickens can come out and graze in the fresh grass.
And Margaret is clever and finds a way, she finds areas to slip through because there's more bugs and fresh berries and things like that outside of the grass graze.
She brought the frizzle with her this time!
unidentified
Get it girl!
tim pool
And we don't like that because we want to control this.
And they balk at me because they want to come out.
I don't care what they're saying.
So look, when you say, Klaus, we've got to work together, he's looking at you like you're some dumb chicken.
ian crossland
Maybe, but he's obviously looking at me like I have good taste in book color and coverings.
tim pool
I love how Klaus Schwab stole your book.
ian crossland
He's ripped off my freaking font.
Almost, not the font.
So what's happening is it's the battle between order and chaos.
Klaus and his buddies, they want order.
They want world order.
This is a new world order.
They don't like chaos.
I get it, but you need a balance, an order you could argue is a little bit better than
But you need a balance of the two.
You cannot have one without the other.
luke rudkowski
It's order out of chaos, which is essentially their guiding principles.
But Dr. Drew, I want to come back to what you said.
You're saying you're getting depressed.
I think you getting, you know, depressed and sad about this is all a part of the conditioning, all a part of the plan, and I think they win if you are like this.
We are presented with a lot of challenges.
We're presented with a lot of opportunities as well.
So in the face of all the adversity, we could either make ourselves better or we could bow down and let them win.
And I think this has given us an incredible opportunity to challenge ourselves, test ourselves,
and to really try to be the best versions of ourselves.
dr drew pinsky
Just walking around here, I went running today, what's the city?
Brunswick?
I was running in Brunswick.
The trail, did you go on the trail?
By the river, I went down by the river and stuff, and I ran, ran, ran, ran, ran.
And I feel like I can feel my lungs here.
People are happy.
There's a history attached to everything.
tim pool
The lockdowns were particularly weak when we were here.
It was like, they were kind of there, but everyone kind of just was like, whatever.
dr drew pinsky
You go to California, just you feel terrible.
ian crossland
It's the brake dust.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Apparently the brake dust is so small, particularly, that it goes through the alveoli in your lungs.
dr drew pinsky
From the train?
ian crossland
From the cars hitting the brakes.
dr drew pinsky
In the city.
ian crossland
Are you in LA?
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, yeah.
But we're not, well, we are kind of by the freeway, yeah.
ian crossland
Like it's not as much the smog as it is the brake dust, apparently, right?
I don't know much about that.
dr drew pinsky
I would happily take the brake dust if I governor would be a rational person, you know, and start to help us help the people that are dying on our streets every day and not encumber our licenses for crazy things and all these just crazy things we're doing in California.
ian crossland
You think California's too big?
I kind of see it being split in half, maybe north and south as two different states.
tim pool
I don't know.
I gotta read page 43 of Ian's book.
ian crossland
Yeah, bring it up.
tim pool
This is Riding in the Dark by Ian Crossland.
It's funny.
It's funny how fire burns straight up.
What is it?
Electrons?
Dissembled... Dissembled carbon, that's what it says.
Or whatever's producing the flame.
It's reddish, yellow, blue, white, red, like the American flag.
Stars and stripes look like a burning fire.
Anyway, it burns away from the center, not necessarily lighter than air, though it may be.
It burns up away from the center of the suck.
Sucked up, away from, like anti-gravity.
What is it escaping from?
Pressure?
I have a feeling if you created a system, a pressurized system, where there is a pressurized fire and a low-pressure side, it may burn sideways, though it may still burn away from the Earth's core.
Too many assumptions without experimentation.
It's, it's, I gotta tell you man, it's just like, it sounds like you were stoned and just writing stuff you were thinking.
ian crossland
Well that's been me for like 20 years, man.
tim pool
No, I know, I know.
ian crossland
This was at a very low point in my life.
It was almost like psychosis.
tim pool
I am literally encouraging that because it's a fascinating thing to think about.
ian crossland
Yeah, I wrote it as a joke.
I just was bored and depressed.
We were starting mine, so I was like, I had some vision in my life, but at the same time, I was totally disenfranchised with the world.
With the Federal Reserve, I had learned about the military-industrial complex.
I felt lost.
tim pool
I felt like, Well, no, I love it because, like, you can read what fire is, you know what I mean?
You can Google it and look it up.
ian crossland
Instead I would just be like, I'm Charles Bukowski.
I would drink because I wanted to be like Bukowski.
I'm like, that's not a good reason to start drinking.
dr drew pinsky
You didn't beat women, did you?
ian crossland
No, I never did.
dr drew pinsky
That was his big thing.
They smoked a lot.
Oh, God.
luke rudkowski
Alcohol shrinks your brain.
unidentified
So we're on the precipice of a global revolution.
tim pool
I rolled a 76.
dr drew pinsky
What?
tim pool
I rolled a 76 in the dice.
ian crossland
What did you roll earlier, by the way?
dr drew pinsky
It was hit.
It was me.
tim pool
I rolled a 77.
67.
dr drew pinsky
It was something the opposite of yours, yeah.
76 from 1776.
Yeah, weird.
ian crossland
Uh, something is about to change.
I mean, the U.S.
is kind of based on chaos.
Like, it was a revolution.
It kind of is still a revolute.
Like, it's a constant revolution against its own government to keep it unstable so that it never becomes an overarching, you know, monolith.
dr drew pinsky
Yet it's managed to be so.
ian crossland
Yeah, and it still consists.
And so now we're going to be up against global powers that want to create massive amounts of social order.
And we need to maintain this benevolent chaos to allow great laws to come out of the crappy order.
You know, a bad law should be broken.
dr drew pinsky
What you're saying, though, is that this may be something we're passing through.
And that maybe some good will come out and we'll find a new equilibrium, which is what my hope is.
unidentified
Yeah.
dr drew pinsky
It's a process.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Like people, I want to believe everyone's the same, everyone's awesome, everyone's a god, everyone's a leader, but like... No.
Yeah.
It's the truth is I think there are better men, and then there's the plebs.
And I hate that.
dr drew pinsky
Well, I mean, there are plenty of people that have unfulfilled potential, that's for sure.
And I would love to see everyone fulfill their potential, how about that?
tim pool
How about that, yeah.
I watched, you ever see that video of the Iraqis and Afghanis trying to do jumping jacks?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Oh, man, let me pull it up.
dr drew pinsky
Uh-oh.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, you know.
It's sad because it feels like wasted potential.
And is this one it?
luke rudkowski
This is a black pill.
dr drew pinsky
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Look at this guy right here.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, what's he doing?
They're not called jumping jacks.
What are they called?
dr drew pinsky
You can't call them jumping jacks?
I knew what you called them.
tim pool
There's a specific thing.
We had a military guy and explained what they're called.
Something more specific, I guess.
I think those might be jumping jacks, actually.
Look at this guy.
He's the best.
What's he doing?
dr drew pinsky
Wow.
ian crossland
A star jump?
tim pool
No, it's not a star jump.
ian crossland
A side straddle hop?
dr drew pinsky
A side straddle hop?
If people get older, their ability to reproduce motor actions and stuff, it's like trying to learn a dance or something.
ian crossland
Is that what it is?
tim pool
But, you know, I watched that video and I'm just kind of like the weighted potential of so many people.
luke rudkowski
He could have been high off of his, you know what.
ian crossland
There's a myth of the Native Americans when the conquistadors were coming in on the boats, they were out there in the ocean and they would go out and they would look and they would never see boats because they didn't know what a boat was.
dr drew pinsky
Clouds.
ian crossland
It was clouds?
dr drew pinsky
They said they saw big mountains and clouds.
ian crossland
So because that's what they knew it was real, so that's what they saw.
And it was only eventually that one of the shaman was like, actually, there's something there that I don't understand, but I see.
And so it takes the brain, if it doesn't know something exists, a great deal of effort to perceive it.
And maybe that's the same thing with realizing potential, because they don't know that they have it.
dr drew pinsky
That's interesting.
I like that.
lydia smith
Yeah, Forrest says side straddle hop is what it's called.
tim pool
Side straddle hop.
I just feel like so much of humanity is wasted potential.
You know?
dr drew pinsky
I hate that.
tim pool
Who was that guy who called them useless eaters?
ian crossland
Yuri, uh... Oh, you all know Harari.
tim pool
He really did.
ian crossland
Yeah, and he wasn't, like, mean about it.
He's just saying, you know, utilitarianly there are a class of useless eaters that just... And they don't need to be, though.
dr drew pinsky
He's got road sapiens.
tim pool
All of those people could be engineers and scientists and researchers and writers and singers and artists, but the potential is lost.
luke rudkowski
Well, he's arguing because of the latest technological advancements, this is going to create an elitist group of people that are going to live like gods, and there's going to be a lot of useless people that need to be pacified.
dr drew pinsky
I'm not going to sleep tonight!
luke rudkowski
He literally said he needs to be pacified with drugs and video games.
He hangs out with Russell Brand for some reason.
Russell Brand is seen giving him a kiss, but he's known as Klaus Schwab's right-hand man.
tim pool
Really?
luke rudkowski
Yep.
unidentified
Russell Brand is a sleeper?
luke rudkowski
I don't know what he is, but he's seen Kissing You're All You're Right.
ian crossland
It's important that we realize they're not our enemies.
People, they just want something that we maybe disagree with, the method.
But they're also human and they understand the world is huge and chaotic and we need to create a new kind of global community.
tim pool
Yeah, but there was that one video from Klaus Schwab where he was like, I just don't like Ian Grosling.
ian crossland
Klaus, you ripped me off!
I'm coming to have a conversation with you, brother.
tim pool
He's like sitting there reading your book and he's like, I must wipe out humanity.
unidentified
Me and Alex Jones and Klaus Schwab will figure something out.
dr drew pinsky
We need more FUD in the world.
tim pool
We do.
That's funny, right?
ian crossland
I want to make a song with Klaus Schwab.
tim pool
I tell you what's fun.
ian crossland
It's happening.
tim pool
I tell you what's fun.
Yes.
Do you watch the Fast and the Furious movies?
dr drew pinsky
No.
tim pool
Why not?
You're making a mistake?
dr drew pinsky
I need to go see Top Gun first.
That was good.
luke rudkowski
I haven't watched those movies, to be honest.
tim pool
So in the first Fast and the Furious, it's like a cop, undercover cop, and that's it.
Okay, Fast and the Furious 9, they go to outer space.
Tommy, that is not the coolest thing ever.
It's just like...
They've made the weirdest series, and I am so ready for Fast and Furious 10, where they're either in Transformers, Megazords, or they get superpowers.
See, that's a more positive thing we can talk about, right?
Vin Diesel flying around like Superman?
That'd be awesome.
We can go back to talking about the end of the world.
Klaus Schwab is going to kill Ian or something.
dr drew pinsky
Let's talk about my superhero experience out in the desert where I trained with special ops.
tim pool
Oh yeah, so what was that all about?
dr drew pinsky
Special forces?
So yeah, I went with a bunch of people out to the desert.
A bunch of celebrities like Mel B and Jamie Lynn Spears.
People who turned out to be very, very tough.
tim pool
Jamie Lynn Spears?
unidentified
Yes.
dr drew pinsky
How did she do?
She was tough.
She did really well.
A bunch of professional athletes too.
They did better, guess what?
Yeah, we went out to the Wadi Rum Desert, where they filmed Star Wars and Dune and all that stuff.
It was 120 degrees, and it was just on.
We just were 24-7 in Ops Force training.
It was incredible.
How old are you?
unidentified
64.
You're 64?
tim pool
Wow, you don't look 64.
dr drew pinsky
I'm not sure they should have people my age out in those conditions anymore, because you'll have to see what happens to me.
tim pool
But, I mean, how would you do?
How do you feel you did?
What did you do?
dr drew pinsky
You're off base all the time.
You never know what you're supposed to be doing.
They always punish you.
And if you get anything wrong, they punish the whole group.
And the punishment was push-ups and crab walking and into the dunk tank and into the mud.
unidentified
Crab walking?
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
Oh my God.
And it was so hot.
And then we jumped out of a helicopter, you know, backwards.
tim pool
Yeah, but the funny thing is, it's like a TV show, right?
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
tim pool
So, like, you literally could have just been like, I ain't doing it.
dr drew pinsky
You could stop at any time.
unidentified
Yeah.
dr drew pinsky
You could stop at any time, and you could also opt out of anything you wanted to opt out of.
But people felt, I don't know, when you get hypnotized by the staff, it's really kind of hypnotic state you're in.
Really, you get so... they start...
Look, they come at you from the beginning, like, in your face, and within about six hours, you're wanting to do what they're telling you to do.
It's very strange.
And they really emphasize, just trust them and do what we tell you.
tim pool
I think we should have Ian do basic training.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
Three months.
ian crossland
Well, just because... Oh, you mean like run the basic training?
tim pool
I thought that's what you meant.
No, do basic training.
dr drew pinsky
Boot camp.
ian crossland
I think you might be right.
I do need more order in my life.
I just don't want it forced on me.
I never really like... because I don't like nonsensical order.
When people are like, do it to do it.
I don't like that kind of stuff.
tim pool
We should have Ian do Soldier Fit.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
ian crossland
Could you imagine if it entertains and inspires people at this point?
Because I think what we're talking about is creating a new world order, literally.
But what we need to do is inspire people to govern themselves and to take control.
And if we can be that example, then 12-year-olds that are listening to this show are going to remember it in 20 years.
luke rudkowski
And be personally responsible, and be healthy, and be happy, and be prosperous individuals.
tim pool
And think about this.
I think if we do Soldier Fit, and have Soldier Fit come down, and Ian, you did it in the mornings, then it's like, what, three months, Ian's gonna be ripped?
luke rudkowski
I'll do it with you.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was thinking about doing that today.
luke rudkowski
Oh, gladly, yeah.
dr drew pinsky
I don't wanna cut my hair off.
luke rudkowski
I'm bringing another trainer.
Don't worry, it'll just be a quick snip.
But you don't have to.
But I'm bringing another trainer here, and you're welcome to join me.
I'm gonna be doing kickboxing here.
tim pool
I'm just saying, imagine Ian, ripped, pumped full of testosterone, talking about DMT.
He's gonna be like, you gotta do it.
ian crossland
Yeah, I need to get people to take me seriously, man.
That's one way to do it, is to get strong.
I mean, it shows that you're dedicated, and that speaks without words.
tim pool
Discipline.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think you should do a soldier fit.
I mean, you know, I'm out skating every day.
Half the crew is out skating, and, you know, it's keeping us fit.
We're doing a big trip tomorrow.
Ian, you gotta get basic training.
ian crossland
I did 20 push-ups earlier.
I've been looking at myself on the cast castle, and I'm like, God, I look so skinny in my posture.
dr drew pinsky
Hey, my staff is freaking out, because apparently your website is sending everybody to an old TV show I did 14 years ago called Life Changer, as opposed to my YouTube channel, which is where we're trying to send everybody.
lydia smith
Yes, your dear wife corrected that, and I had Dave fix it for us.
unidentified
Where was that?
dr drew pinsky
In the description.
But Dr. Drew, if I could ask you.
luke rudkowski
You've been in the public light for a while, especially in the medical field.
What do you think is one of the biggest misconceptions or misnomers or things people usually get wrong when it comes to medicine or personal health that you always see as a continuing trend?
dr drew pinsky
My God, there's so many things.
One thing that I've been harping on like crazy, and this is not pertinent for everybody, but it's pertinent for all the homeless people and it's pertinent for all their crazy drug policies we have had there, which is that addiction, substance use disorder, is a progressive illness.
It ends in death.
So, even if you have a heroin injection site where the nurses are administering the heroin, those people will still progress and they will have more increased brain problems, behavioral problems, medical problems, and they will die.
So, this is the part that everybody keeps missing.
Meth ends in death.
Opiates end in death.
And that's it, period, no matter how they're getting the drug.
Now, you may be able to sort of change the course a little bit or the timing difference, but overall, it's a progressive illness.
And that's one piece that drives me crazy.
There's other things that I think people are unrealistic about.
Even I was, I got to say.
I remember I was getting a physical one time and it was like the third time I'd come in, my blood pressure was a little high and I'm like, I don't know, I'm going to run some more.
I'm going to get out there, run a little longer.
I'm going to watch my weight.
And she goes, this one physician leaned into me and she goes, you can only outrun your genetics so long.
And I thought, oh my God, she's so right.
I need to take a medication.
And that there are things as you age that you just have to stay ahead of.
And we can extend our life abnormally with medical treatments.
Stem cells.
I'm not talking about stem cells.
Those are anti-inflammatory.
I'm talking about me taking two antihypertensives.
I'm talking about me taking a cholesterol medication.
That kind of stuff.
Once I sort of got out of my denial.
tim pool
We talked a little bit about this before the show.
What do you think about NAD?
dr drew pinsky
Love it.
I take nicotinamide riboside every day.
tim pool
For those that aren't familiar, NAD therapy, like IV therapy, it's nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide.
dr drew pinsky
It's hitting the oxidative state of the cells.
It may affect aging.
It may affect a lot of things.
I don't know what you're doing, how often you do it, and how good that is.
We have no clinical data on that, but the biology looks very good.
And we do use it in alcoholics in early recovery, and it does help them recover very fast.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's a calming mechanism.
tim pool
Since we got COVID, Joe Rogan talks about doing NAD quite often.
We've done it regularly, and not nearly as regularly as someone like Joe does, but we get it frequently, and all of my vitals have dramatically improved.
dr drew pinsky
There's something to it.
Is there a downside?
Is there a risk?
Risk-reward is always a thing.
By the way, this is something that risk-reward analysis was something completely abandoned during COVID, strangely enough.
But risk-reward is about medicine, and there's a lot of things that look good that may have a downside.
So I always worry about Until we have enough data, enough experience, I always worry about the potential risks.
tim pool
They say that it triggers cellular regeneration.
Is that the case?
unidentified
Maybe.
ian crossland
Well, I think what it does is it creates the sirtuins.
It helps grow sirtuins.
It does?
What is it, 3 in 5?
dr drew pinsky
I can't tell, but I know the whole sirtuin story is part of the story, which may help with the aging.
ian crossland
Yeah, the sirtuins measure the energy in the mitochondria, so when the cell divides, they make sure there's enough so that the cells don't have to clip off the end caps of the chromosomes.
dr drew pinsky
Telomeres.
ian crossland
And so they don't age, essentially.
dr drew pinsky
We think.
We think.
I mean, again, these are very complicated biologies.
tim pool
So you're saying that if I keep getting NID, I'll live forever?
dr drew pinsky
We'll see.
tim pool
We'll see!
luke rudkowski
I will, you won't!
I heard if you have cancer you should avoid it because it goes to your cancer cells and builds them up.
dr drew pinsky
Helps them also, could be.
luke rudkowski
So there's a lot of different theories out there.
dr drew pinsky
I have prostate cancer.
You know, I'm a cancer patient.
I had prostate out 12 years ago.
tim pool
What about keto for cancer patients?
Have you ever looked at it?
dr drew pinsky
There's some data that looks good.
But again, this is all on the margins.
You know, we have things, we have treatments, we have data.
We know what we're doing with certain stuff.
There are things that you can do maybe to help things out and I remember when... Like, I had my prostate removed.
And I didn't want that surgeon to be giving me any keto nutrition advice.
I wanted him to take out the effing prostate without affecting the pudendal nerve, the penis.
That was important to me.
Sounds very important.
And I sat down and I said, how many of these have you done?
He goes, 1,100.
I go, how many complications?
Because there's a lot of complications with these.
He goes, zero.
I said, let's go.
ian crossland
Do you do meditation?
dr drew pinsky
A little bit, I have.
ian crossland
Do you look into the placebo effect?
dr drew pinsky
Do I believe in the placebo effect?
ian crossland
Yeah, they say that.
I've heard that it's like effective and they don't really know.
dr drew pinsky
I did years and years of certain kind of psychotherapy and in that psychotherapy I was in a very deep state with this therapist.
It was like very emotionally focused therapy and so those kinds of deep interpersonal states are extremely renewing to me.
So I feel like I'd be a good like Hypnosis candidate.
I think I'd be good for that.
luke rudkowski
If you ever had the power and influence of like a Bill Gates or a Dr. Fauci, what kind of policies would you push forward for the American people?
dr drew pinsky
I would decentralize everything.
luke rudkowski
There you go.
dr drew pinsky
I would create pathways and advice.
When all this centralization and control started happening, when I was probably in the early 2000s, late 90s, I was really deep in my career.
I was working 18 hours a day, I was doing psychiatry half the day, and then regular medicine the rest of the day.
And I just kept saying, if I am such a crappy physician that I need all this oversight and regulation, send me back for more training.
I love my training.
It's great.
I love training.
I just want these clerks telling me what to do, this insurance salesman.
This is ridiculous.
Or some regulator in Washington determining how I take care of my patients, which is complicated.
tim pool
Have you ever smoked DMT?
dr drew pinsky
Well, I'm watching all that very, very carefully.
I've talked to him.
I'm forgetting the name of the guy that was the founder of MAPS.
Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies.
So I am very interested in how psychedelics are going to be used.
tim pool
That's a fortunate acronym.
dr drew pinsky
Rick Doblin.
Rick Doblin.
And it's going to be useful.
It's going to be something.
But there is a downside there, too.
So please, people, don't run ahead of the science.
tim pool
Is the downside that you actually meet demons and they'll try to steal your soul?
luke rudkowski
Well, it depends what you're talking about.
There's acid.
There's mushrooms.
There's different psychedelics with different effects.
dr drew pinsky
Listen to Tim.
It's the demons that come get you and pull your soul out of your esophagus.
tim pool
Hey, we all know.
ian crossland
That's called a purge.
dr drew pinsky
That I know.
tim pool
Don't tempt the fates.
dr drew pinsky
That I know doesn't happen.
It may feel like it's happening, but that doesn't happen.
But I had a terrible reaction to cannabis.
tim pool
Horrible.
dr drew pinsky
I'll never touch it again.
ian crossland
What was the reaction?
dr drew pinsky
I developed something called an anticholinergic delirium.
tim pool
That sounds unfortunate.
dr drew pinsky
I was at a party with a very famous person that loves weed.
And I was talking with him, and there was another guy there who was even more famous for weed.
And I thought, I'm going to have to smoke with these guys.
And they, of course, handed it to me, took a big hit.
And I immediately couldn't feel my hands and my feet.
I got agitated.
I couldn't see.
And I had to go outside.
And it was the most uncomfortable, miserable feeling in my entire life.
tim pool
How long did it last for?
dr drew pinsky
It lasted about four hours.
ian crossland
That was an overdose.
dr drew pinsky
But the syndrome was anticholinergic.
I had photophobia, I had dry mouth, I had all the usual... Hell yeah!
That's what you get from taking a whole fistful of Benadryl.
And I had only misery.
ian crossland
The thing about THC is getting high is an overdose.
That's the problem with the stuff.
And people don't... I think most of society thinks that's the purpose of it.
But a tiny bit where you don't even know it's in you... I had one tit!
It's a lot.
dr drew pinsky
Those guys were going nuts on these cigars, these blunts they were smoking.
ian crossland
Addicts.
dr drew pinsky
They were like really going at it.
I thought, well, how bad can it be?
I'll try it.
And then I just all of a sudden couldn't walk.
I was like Parkinsonian.
I was like this.
I couldn't move around.
I couldn't sit down.
ian crossland
And a float tank.
tim pool
You ever do one of those float tanks?
dr drew pinsky
No, I'd like to.
What?
tim pool
Drugs are bad.
dr drew pinsky
Drugs are bad.
Careful with your brain, everybody.
That's the bottom line.
tim pool
Actually, the reality is that drugs are just drugs, and if they're used properly, they can be lifesaving.
dr drew pinsky
Sometimes.
tim pool
And that includes even what people consider to be recreational.
I think they're doing PTSD treatments with MDMA or something.
luke rudkowski
Mushrooms.
dr drew pinsky
Well, that was Goblin's big study.
In the right hands, he feels that MDMA, in a well-trained therapeutic setting, MDMA clearly works.
ian crossland
I asked you about Ibogaine.
luke rudkowski
On addiction as well.
A lot of people who have a hard time quitting heroin or smoking cigarettes usually turn to different forms of psychedelics.
There's Ibogaine, there's mushrooms.
dr drew pinsky
So, Ibogaine, Ayahuasca, this stuff.
I've been seeing my patients, you know, over the years try that stuff.
And I've seen out of probably a hundred cases of people trying to stop, usually opiates, that's usually what they're trying to stop.
One time they stayed stopped.
All the other ones stopped for six months and then went back.
ian crossland
With Ibogaine usage?
dr drew pinsky
And then some of them had like persistent personality changes from the Ibogaine too, which was really scary to me.
It's like, it's one thing to change your personality in a psychotherapeutic setting where you're in control of the whole thing, but you take a substance and it changes who you are.
I don't care if you're happier, it's changed who you are.
That is a big problem for me.
ian crossland
Bill W. from who founded Alcoholics Anonymous used LSD and he's all this literature of him saying, well, the reason I stopped drinking is because I had an experience on LSD and I realized I didn't need it anymore.
But then when they made AA, they took that out because they didn't know.
dr drew pinsky
That story is still around.
But but my understanding is the LSD story came later when he was struggling with staying sober.
But but I don't know.
I don't know that because because right.
It's not in the big book, that's for sure.
But but to your point, there will be use of these things one day.
There will be.
I'm sure of it.
I just don't know how much and how to dose it.
ian crossland
Listen, I'll tell you where it's useful is end-of-life dread.
dr drew pinsky
If you have a terminal illness and you are overwhelmed with anxiety and dread, it's very clear that that's helpful.
I would do that.
luke rudkowski
Who cares if there's an injury?
And I really wanted to ask you this.
I'm really worried because the last three years, we saw how far the government, the bureaucrats, big pharma, and doctors stood in the way of actually helping people and treating people and giving them early treatment and actually doing the right thing.
It makes you wonder, if they did that three years ago because of this health crisis, how are they doing it with other health crises?
How are they doing it with other illnesses and sicknesses?
tim pool
Let's get into that a little bit too, because we're just outside of West Virginia right now, and it's really bad there.
They sell, what is it called?
Kratom?
Kratom?
That's for like, opiate addiction?
dr drew pinsky
It's just a weak opiate.
It's just changing one for another.
ian crossland
Oh, it is an opiate.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, it's a weak opiate.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
So what happens if people go cold turkey?
dr drew pinsky
They have five days of discomfort.
tim pool
Is that it?
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
There was never an opiate addict on earth, never once, of treating 10,000 drug addicts, did I ever go, oh my god, the opiate addicts, how am I going to get them off the opiates?
I never had any problem getting them off.
Keeping them off is the problem.
tim pool
We were at Blue Ridge Rockfest, huge rock festival this past weekend, and in the staff artist section was a tent that said, free Narcan for artists and staff.
And I was just like, dude, that is brutal.
dr drew pinsky
We should all be carrying it around.
It's all over the place.
tim pool
It's just sad that you need to.
luke rudkowski
Hey, I had an interaction when I had to save someone's life and had to give them CPR, and thank goodness the person turned blue.
I was in the car with them, and I was the only one that wasn't driving the car, and the passenger was, you know, turning blue just because they took some heroin.
And I literally have to give them CPR and they almost died this close.
tim pool
Can you explain what causes it?
Like when an overdose happens, what causes the death?
dr drew pinsky
You stop breathing.
tim pool
Is that all it is?
luke rudkowski
I had to give CPR and literally push air into their lungs.
tim pool
Why do you stop breathing?
It depresses the system.
dr drew pinsky
It depresses the respiratory drive.
And if you add a benzodiazepine to it, it really is very much that's it.
luke rudkowski
And then they literally turn blue.
tim pool
What does Narcan do?
dr drew pinsky
Narcan, it saturates the opioid receptor sites in the brain and just pushes the opiate away.
And you wake right up.
In fact, you go into acute withdrawal.
tim pool
But it's painful, right?
It's painful for people when they get hit with Narcan?
dr drew pinsky
Because they go into withdrawal.
They go right into withdrawal.
They get very agitated.
luke rudkowski
And I heard it's really bad for your organs as well.
dr drew pinsky
No.
luke rudkowski
Okay.
I've heard wrong.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, I mean, it has some hepatic stuff, but no.
tim pool
Narcan would be used even in the case of like an opiate pill overdose.
dr drew pinsky
Any opiate.
Any opiate or opioid.
unidentified
Anything.
Wow.
dr drew pinsky
It works, boom, pow.
ian crossland
Is Narcan an opiate?
dr drew pinsky
No, it's an opiate blocking.
Well, it binds at opiate receptor sites, not opiates.
Opiates are poppy-derived.
Right, that's technically what opiates are.
tim pool
Wow, all of them are?
dr drew pinsky
Opiates.
Opioids are synthetic.
Like, so fentanyl is a synthetic drug.
tim pool
Does the human body produce this naturally?
dr drew pinsky
Endorphins.
tim pool
Endorphins.
And then these simulate that and flood the site?
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
ian crossland
I mean, I thought we went to Afghanistan for the poppy.
And it's almost laughable, but like... We don't need it!
dr drew pinsky
We got fentanyl!
tim pool
So then... Explain fentanyl.
dr drew pinsky
Fentanyl is a super hyper-powerful synthetic opioid.
Super powerful.
And it's being manufactured in Mexico and brought up here by the... It's being put in everything.
So kids are dying accidentally.
People who aren't even drug addicts are dying.
tim pool
I heard a story recently that a woman, like, found a bag and then opened it, looked inside, and just passed right out.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, those kinds of stories, I think, are apocryphal.
I really do.
Through the skin and the inhales.
I don't know.
We don't need too much of that.
But you take a Xanax pill that is really, in fact, fentanyl and it gets under your tongue.
Boy, that is bad times.
tim pool
You just die, right?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
dr drew pinsky
You stop breathing.
ian crossland
Is it addictive, fentanyl?
dr drew pinsky
Oh, boy.
Profoundly.
I mean, the heroin addicts prefer it now.
They prefer it.
That's what they go to.
Now, we have all the heroin addicts because we created all the opiate addicts when we were over-prescribing, right?
Yeah.
We just let people have whatever they want, pain controls what the patient says it is, but we were sanctioning doctors like me for inadequate treatment of pain because I didn't— I got in trouble repeatedly for not giving opiates to my heroin addicts in withdrawal because they were uncomfortable.
Wow.
That's how insane it was.
And that was the Joint Commission, that was the Department of Mental Health, that was California Medical Association, that was the VA.
It was ridiculous.
tim pool
How does tolerance buildup happen?
dr drew pinsky
They think the receptors just change either their configuration or their biology slightly.
tim pool
You need more and more.
dr drew pinsky
You need more to get the same effect, essentially.
tim pool
And then so even though you're not feeling the effect, it's still the same threshold for death from overdose?
dr drew pinsky
Uh, for the most part.
The respiratory, you don't get tolerance to that stuff.
Yeah, certainly not with fentanyl.
And by the way, again, it's the deadly combo is the benzodiazepine and the opiate.
tim pool
And what is that?
unidentified
What is that?
dr drew pinsky
Valium-like drugs.
Ativan, Valium, Klonopin.
I think they're taking Ativan off the market.
luke rudkowski
We saw what happened to Jordan Peterson.
Yeah.
dr drew pinsky
That was a super complicated situation he was in.
ian crossland
What happens with the opiate and the benzo?
dr drew pinsky
They're synergistic.
So you can take a small amount of opiate, a small amount of benzodiazepine, and you're not breathing.
unidentified
Wow.
dr drew pinsky
Synergistic.
So it's not additive, it's multiplied.
Different receptor.
It just multiplies it rather than adding the effect on respiratory suppression.
luke rudkowski
It's like the Opium Wars, but done internally inside of the United States by Big Pharma.
dr drew pinsky
Well, look, it's China sending it to the cartels.
It really looks to me like what England and America and the United States did to China in the 19th century.
tim pool
What were you saying, Ian?
The Opium Wars?
ian crossland
The Opium Wars.
It's a long game.
The Opium Wars never ended.
dr drew pinsky
It seems like it, doesn't it?
And we're not fighting it.
We're doing nothing.
luke rudkowski
That's what I mean.
To me it's more of an inside job than anything else.
dr drew pinsky
It drives me crazy because these people's brains are not working right.
When you get them well, they're like, who left me like that?
Who did that to me?
Of course I wanted to keep doing it.
I was a drug addict.
And when you get them out, it's hard to get them out of it.
You need a unified team.
One person can't do it.
You need a team of people.
And just let them do it.
They will die.
And now on the streets of Los Angeles, it's six, seven a day.
ian crossland
What would be an example of someone suffering that you help, or a group of you help?
dr drew pinsky
How would I do it?
ian crossland
Yeah.
dr drew pinsky
Watch Celebrity Rehab.
Watch what?
Watch Celebrity Rehab.
I mean, several of those people were created during the opioid crisis.
Jeff Conway was the poster child for the opioid epidemic.
luke rudkowski
And it's not just China.
I would just say, you know, the United States government has a history of importing drugs into the United States in order to, of course, cripple poor populations.
One last question, because I think we're going to super chat.
Do you have any comments on seed oils?
Because there's like a whole A whole bunch of personalities, a whole bunch of people talking about studies saying how seed oils are inflammatory and not for you.
They are.
dr drew pinsky
I'm a huge fan of, oh my god, I'm blanking on her name now.
She wrote a book called Deep Nutrition.
Kate Shanahan.
Kate, help me.
unidentified
Looking it up.
dr drew pinsky
She's a family practitioner.
Dr. Kate Shanahan.
And she's a biochemist.
And she used to advise the Lakers.
She's a very fine biochemist and a very fine family practitioner.
And the first time I spoke to her was probably 15 years ago.
And I was like, another nutrition thing.
Sure, just show me the chemistry.
Because you're a biochemist, so I'm going to make you show me the chemistry because nobody can.
And she looks at me and she goes, you can't say anything about nutrition.
It's way too complicated.
There are certain things I can tell you about.
I can talk to you about seed oils, and I can talk to you about polyunsaturated fats when you heat them up, what happens, and they cause cancer.
And that's what I harp on.
And seed oils definitely are a big part of the problem.
luke rudkowski
There's a huge increase of cancer, especially when we start using artificial seed oils, canola oil, sunflower oil.
dr drew pinsky
She thinks it's part of the COVID story, too.
I don't know if I went all the way there.
luke rudkowski
I think so, too, as well, especially when it comes to the gut and the immune system, because many people said and many doctors are even recommending kefirs and fermented food in order to deal with COVID.
And a lot of doctors also thought that the medicine that we talked about earlier in the show was helping people because it got rid of parasites in their guts and made their guts work properly, which made their immune systems work properly.
unidentified
That was one Thesis that some doctors had so that's a that's a we being worked out.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, exactly.
dr drew pinsky
We still don't know but it's being worked out It's not even parasites.
It's bacterial balance.
Yeah, but the gut is key to your gut seems to be I'm mispronouncing Kate's name.
What is it?
It's not Shanahan.
It's help me.
Is it Shanahan?
unidentified
I'm bad with pronouncing any kind of name.
ian crossland
Shanahan is how it's spelled.
Dr. Kate Shanahan, Deep Nutrition.
luke rudkowski
I've been avoiding a lot of seed oils and I've seen an increase in my health.
And it's everywhere.
You go to the supermarket, it's everywhere.
dr drew pinsky
Listen to this.
I have terrible large vessel vascular disease in my family.
I have what's called metabolic syndrome, so I'm insulin resistant.
I have hypertriglyceridemia.
I'm hypertensive.
And I was like, I don't want, my dad had terrible vascular disease.
I'm like, I don't want this.
So, I started focusing early.
I got on statins early, smashed my LDL very easily, but my HDL was always low and my triglycerides were always high until I started eating more red meat and cutting out carbohydrates completely and boom!
I mean, I've never had numbers like this.
tim pool
Good or bad?
Really good, like really good.
I cut out most of the sugars, I cut out bread.
dr drew pinsky
Carbohydrates the enemy for certain people, and animal fats are not as bad as we thought they were.
luke rudkowski
Exactly, and they're key for your brain.
ian crossland
I'm looking up the coconut, they say it's a seed, a nut, and a fruit, but that's not coconut oil, it's not the seed oil they're talking about.
So when they say seed oil, is it like a refined palm oil?
luke rudkowski
Soy oil, canola oil, sunflower oil, even a lot of olive oil and avocado oil is mixed in with these inflammatory oils.
dr drew pinsky
Yes, he's right.
luke rudkowski
And they're pretend oils.
They're not real oils.
And when you take them, you think you're taking something good and they actually cause massive amounts of inflammation, massive amount of gut irritation.
dr drew pinsky
Focus on that instead of the stem cells.
unidentified
Exactly.
luke rudkowski
That's what I've been trying to tell Tim.
I'm like, you got fried food today.
I'm like, no, no, no.
I had the rib eye.
tim pool
This is interesting because inadvertently, I would say I cut out a substantial amount of seed oils from my diet without even thinking about it because Now, like, when I make eggs, I used to, I would splash a little olive oil or something in there.
Now it's just bacon.
I use the bacon to grease the pan.
dr drew pinsky
Tallow's better.
tim pool
And then I put the eggs right into the bacon grease, and then I pour the bacon grease over the eggs to make sure I get all... Look at you!
dr drew pinsky
But follow your cholesterol.
Some people are, you know, our lipid metabolism is all different one from another, and just make sure you're the person that can do that.
tim pool
And then I pour a quarter of a cup of heavy cream into my coffee.
dr drew pinsky
So that's all my stuff.
Awesome.
Yeah.
I've lived that way.
tim pool
Let me tell you, the most delicious thing ever is the Mark Lobliner's Outright Bar.
It's a peanut butter protein bar.
dr drew pinsky
Do you have one downstairs?
tim pool
We got a bunch.
We'll give you some.
dr drew pinsky
Thank you.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
And the Nitro Cold Brew with heavy baking cream.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And that together.
dr drew pinsky
Nitro, is that the caveman coffee?
Nitro?
Or just any Nitro?
tim pool
We have Starbucks and we have, I think it's called High Brew.
But eating that protein bar and then washing it down with coffee is just so good.
luke rudkowski
But you gotta be careful.
The Quest bars have vegetable oils.
Sour Patch Kids, vegetable oils.
unidentified
It's everywhere.
luke rudkowski
And sugar.
It's crazy.
tim pool
But I stopped eating all that stuff.
luke rudkowski
I literally go down the supermarket and almost everything has it.
I make sure I verbally say it out loud so hopefully the next person hears me.
I'm like, oh no, canola oil, this is cancer, put it back.
And I have to spend an hour extra at the supermarket because I'm looking at the ingredients.
tim pool
Because you're yelling at customers, don't eat that!
dr drew pinsky
One of the things we've not talked about yet, I mentioned I think before the mic's heated up, was about the estrogens in all the plastics and stuff.
Oh yeah, soy boys, is that true?
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that that's a major part of what's going on.
tim pool
You think soy boys are real?
dr drew pinsky
I just think, I think there's a book called Estrogenation that I first got exposed to this, Estrogenation.
And it just, I think that's what it's called, am I getting it there?
And it just freaked, I started looking and I thought, yeah, God, the way the sperm is down, reproductivity is down, men are kind of, you know what I mean?
Kids aren't having sex anymore, what the hell?
luke rudkowski
Bill Gates has man boobs, he eats fake meat!
unidentified
What do you think?
luke rudkowski
Of course, obviously!
ian crossland
Estrogeneration.
Estrogeneration by Elizabeth Wurzel.
tim pool
You know what?
That scares me, so what I'm going to do is I'm going to eat a whole pack of bacon for breakfast every day from now on.
ian crossland
I've heard that it's the stuff that they're spraying.
luke rudkowski
Fasting and fruit is good too, you know?
tim pool
No, it's fructose.
Is fructose bad?
dr drew pinsky
No.
luke rudkowski
Fruits are good.
dr drew pinsky
Limited amounts.
luke rudkowski
Fruits are good.
ian crossland
I've heard with soy, a lot of it's what they're spraying on the soy before harvest that's new.
luke rudkowski
Glyphosate.
tim pool
We gotta go to Super Jets.
We're gonna go to Super Jets.
ian crossland
We haven't talked about fasting yet.
tim pool
We will.
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends, because ladies and gentlemen, oh, they're censoring us.
luke rudkowski
Back to the medical stuff.
dr drew pinsky
If you want to hear what the really stuff is that gets censored, come watch my stuff.
Where can they find you?
tim pool
People have been saying that they're not getting notifications, and so if you want to help us combat that, then you guys can be the notification and just share the video.
We're going to read superchats from all you guys.
dr drew pinsky
So find me at DrDrew.com for all the pods and then DrDrew.tv for the Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday 3 o'clock Pacific Time streaming show.
But that Wednesday 3 o'clock Pacific Time show is the one where I'm interviewing all the physicians that have been silenced.
We're talking to them in great detail about what happened and putting it all together trying to figure out what happened here.
tim pool
And I want to say, you know, now that you're here and you're on the spot live, we gotta have you come back with Adam Carolla because that would be like a millennial grand slam, you know?
We all listen to Loveline, you know, with you guys.
ian crossland
He's hilarious, man.
tim pool
So that would be really awesome.
But let's read superchats.
People have questions for you.
Here's the important one.
WarChickenApoyo says, Dr. Drew, are you a real doctor or a love doctor?
dr drew pinsky
It's kind of a greeting from the old Loveline days.
People get confused about what I am because I do a lot of interpersonal stuff and so they think that I'm one of these TV doctors.
No, I've practiced medicine for many, many, many years.
General medicine.
tim pool
Agamemnon's Gym Bag says, The Lotus Eaters found the people accusing you of stealing their spoons.
Look into spoonies and spoon theory.
I don't trust you.
I don't know what that means.
dr drew pinsky
I have no idea what that means.
That's a weird trick.
I also exist at your mom's house with Tom Segurida's wife, Christina P. I have a new YouTube channel there.
The show's called Dr. Drew After Dark, which is sort of an incarnation of Loveline.
tim pool
Oh, cool.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I love those guys.
dr drew pinsky
Dr. Drew After Dark.
And so I'm part of that world.
I go to Austin every six weeks and work with them.
ian crossland
Who's that female?
Do you guys have a female doctor on the show?
Dr. Judy or something?
Was she around that time?
dr drew pinsky
With us?
ian crossland
Yeah.
dr drew pinsky
No, they were trying to compete with us.
unidentified
I see.
ian crossland
So maybe they were on at different times.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yes, spoon theory is a real thing, Tim.
tim pool
You should look into it.
dr drew pinsky
What is it?
ian crossland
A metaphor describing the amount of physical and mental energy that a person has available for daily activities and tasks.
tim pool
Oh, I got way too much.
dr drew pinsky
Freud believed that.
Freud believed there was like a unit of mental sort of, almost like he had sort of a steam engine kind of model for the human brain.
tim pool
And you can increase it, I'd imagine, right?
dr drew pinsky
I imagine.
I don't think I necessarily adhere to that.
ian crossland
I tell people I don't have the bandwidth for it right now.
It's a new term I use.
tim pool
I wake up at 7 a.m.
I'm working by 8 a.m.
I finish work around 11 p.m.
And then I stay up for two hours watching TV shows.
I'm watching Breaking Bad.
And then I only go to sleep because I know I have to.
I'm like, if I don't go to bed, then you know, You love your work.
dr drew pinsky
Your work is your play.
There's nothing better than that.
tim pool
But I just mean, you know, people accuse me of drugs or something and I'm like, just coffee.
dr drew pinsky
How many hours a night of sleep do you need?
tim pool
Me?
At least five and a half.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
So some people need four or five.
Most people need eight.
That's the way it is.
And the guys you need four and a half, they just need four and a half.
unidentified
That's it.
ian crossland
What do you think about coffee?
Are people overdosing on coffee to their detriment?
dr drew pinsky
We don't know.
I wash coffee very carefully because I'm a caffeine addict and all that data just keeps coming up positive.
For a long time we thought it might have caused pancreatic cancer.
That's been completely debunked.
Now it decreases the risk of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's.
Decreases the risk and depression.
luke rudkowski
And humanity's progression is also correlated with the use of caffeine.
dr drew pinsky
Really?
I like that.
unidentified
See?
dr drew pinsky
If no Civil War, we're going to get better.
You guys aren't depressed anymore.
ian crossland
Back when clean water was hard to come by, they would drink beer, but then when they got coffee, they started drinking coffee instead, and that was when the Enlightenment came.
dr drew pinsky
Ooh, I like that.
Maybe we're going to have a new I was also saying before the mic's heated up, that when Alexander the Great's empire fell apart, Stoicism came up, and it's just interesting how Stoicism is coming into the sort of consciousness.
Yeah, I want to talk.
ian crossland
What is it exactly?
tim pool
We've got to read superchats.
Okay, go.
Red Muskrat says, Please stop referring to yin and yang, and good and evil.
It's more still and moving.
A puddle of water is yin.
A tsunami is yang.
Both are water.
I was raised Taoist.
Ian would especially appreciate it.
Great for meditation.
ian crossland
I like it, but you know, stillness is just really fast-moving that you don't perceive.
tim pool
Maybe that's the point.
Eric Christensen says, when I was homeless in New York City 20 years ago, I was offered a one-way bus ticket to Miami by my social worker.
I mean, South Park did a whole episode about it.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
tim pool
Where they put all the homeless people on buses and send them to the next city.
dr drew pinsky
Yep.
That was happening for a while.
ian crossland
Repopulation.
dr drew pinsky
Now they put them on planes.
ian crossland
An old war punishment.
dr drew pinsky
Gosh, you started talking about time and time perception.
I've been listening to a lot of physics podcasts.
I'm a total nerd on stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think the universe is twisting around on itself rather than expanding.
And when we find a singularity, it's when we twist back towards the center.
It's like a double torus.
unidentified
Okay.
Yeah.
dr drew pinsky
I know what you're talking about, but I just don't know that time even exists.
ian crossland
It's not.
It's motion.
It's everything's moving.
dr drew pinsky
Change.
Yeah.
tim pool
Dan Ines says, if you think the government cares, remember they spent a decade or so telling people to eat more bread.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
Look at the food pyramid.
tim pool
Yeah.
dr drew pinsky
It still hasn't been dismantled.
It was a ridiculous and ill-founded and without any evidence sent down from on high.
luke rudkowski
And they came out with a new one saying that Cheerios and Frosted Flakes are a lot more healthier than red meat.
There's a new food thing that they came out with.
ian crossland
It's absolutely mind-boggling.
dr drew pinsky
The centralization of authority is a bad thing in medicine.
ian crossland
Is it purely just because they want to sell wheat because that's what we grow?
dr drew pinsky
I don't know who influenced them.
Corn.
Yeah, the corn.
But there was a whole story about where the food pyramid came from.
One guy invented it.
He was just a hubristic guy.
tim pool
OMG Puppy says, lithium in the drinking water, quote, better a gram than a dam from Brave New World.
Drugging the population is an old progressive idea from British Fabians in America in the 1920s.
dr drew pinsky
Interesting.
tim pool
Ankush Nerula says, Dr. Drew, instead of lithium, how about graphene?
ian crossland
Are you familiar with graphene?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
It's pure carbon, hexagonally latticed.
I actually have some here.
tim pool
Everybody in the show knows.
ian crossland
I don't know about ingesting this stuff, but it's going to become the 21st century steel building material.
It's electrically conductive, capacitative.
It could be a battery and a wire at once.
You can make clothing out of it.
You can make touchscreen wallpaper out of this.
You can extract carbon dioxide out of the air and convert it into graphene as a building material.
Let's go.
It's happening.
dr drew pinsky
Come on.
tim pool
DB says seeing what happened to Tommy Loren today.
It's bad.
Yeah, civil war is here.
IMO and most don't see it and don't believe it.
What happened to Tommy Loren?
ian crossland
I just saw chaos at one of her she was giving a speech and there was violent.
They said violent protest outside and I heard people yelling.
unidentified
Whoa.
dr drew pinsky
Did they get to her?
ian crossland
I don't know.
I don't think so.
I imagine it would have been that would have been the topic headline.
tim pool
So we'll look it up.
We'll see what happens.
dr drew pinsky
Awful.
I'm getting, my mood's elevating though as we talk here.
unidentified
It's better.
Yes.
ian crossland
Let's talk about time and space.
dr drew pinsky
Graphene.
ian crossland
Emotion.
Entropics.
tim pool
Temporary.
I'm trying to, I really wanted to find some good questions for you, Dr. Drew.
So I'm just, I'm kind of screening these.
dr drew pinsky
They're not asking any good ones?
tim pool
It's mostly comments.
dr drew pinsky
Does anybody have any questions about that?
ian crossland
When you get into like psychoactives, do you think the consciousness is more... Personally, I feel like consciousness is more involved with physical health than people realize maybe at this time.
I agree.
dr drew pinsky
I don't think that a single brain theory of consciousness is digging in the wrong hole.
I think that if a feral child who got lost in the woods at six months comes out at 14, Like, remember that movie, Eve, whatever it was, with, she couldn't speak, it was Elle or Eve, anyway.
ian crossland
Sorry, I don't watch movies.
tim pool
Stranger Things?
dr drew pinsky
No, no, no, no, it was a long time ago.
But in any event, that child came out of the woods at 15.
They wouldn't be able to speak.
They wouldn't have consciousness in the way we think of consciousness.
Consciousness comes out as a result of seeing ourselves reflected in other people.
It's a second-order interpretation of our primary experiences.
And so we can see ourselves, literally, through another pair of eyes.
And we develop that through being reflected in other people.
ian crossland
I'm going to read this myself.
It's crazy.
tim pool
JKG says, Dr. Drew, Adam and Loveline saved my life.
18 years sober today and a father to an eight-year-old daughter.
Thanks, Drew.
dr drew pinsky
Congratulations.
Well done.
unidentified
Right on.
dr drew pinsky
Works if you work it, man.
tim pool
So at your mom's house they have a lot of greetings calling each other Mommy, Jeans, Hey Jeans, Hey Hitler.
You have to see the videos to understand.
You bet I'll be coming up in May.
dr drew pinsky
Okay, so at your mom's house they have a lot of greetings, calling each other mommy, jeans,
hey jeans, hey Hitler. You have to see the videos to understand. You bet I'll be coming
up in May. There's just a whole bunch of phrases from videos we all watch at your mom's house.
ian crossland
Drew, it looks like the movie you were talking about is Nell.
dr drew pinsky
Nell, that's it, yes.
tim pool
Doc Q says, Dr. Drew, who's your favorite comedian you've interviewed with YMH?
Have any left you speechless, like the best-selling book by Michael Knowles?
dr drew pinsky
Many have left me speechless.
Lately, I, uh, oof.
Oh.
Uh, you know, Christina P.
I did work with for a long time and I just really liked the way her brain, she's so smart.
She's one of my favorite interviews.
And most recently, Tony Hinchcliffe from Kill Tony, which is up right now, you can watch him.
And the skank guys, like Luis Gomez, those are interesting guys.
ian crossland
Legion of Skanks.
dr drew pinsky
Legion of Skanks.
I went on the Legion of Skanks and I was like, I'm talking about a fish out of water, but I loved it.
ian crossland
Dave Smith, he's part of that.
He was on the show last week.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Jen Desai says, I'd like to know what Dr. Drew thinks about transhumanism and how it applies to the new executive order on advancing biotechnology and biomanufacturing.
dr drew pinsky
And what, they have to define what they mean by transhumanism.
tim pool
Um, well, it's a variety of things.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, I know.
tim pool
What do you think about Neuralink?
You want to, you want to get the chip?
dr drew pinsky
The biggest problem with that is it's never going to work.
Because first of all, they have to be replaced regularly.
And secondly, if you drill a hole in somebody's skull, No matter how small.
tim pool
Neck.
dr drew pinsky
What do you mean neck?
They're gonna feed it up from the neck?
tim pool
Yeah.
Really?
dr drew pinsky
Is that their plan?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure that's what they do with pigs or whatever and monkeys and there's very very thin wires that just rest on the nerves.
dr drew pinsky
Anything touches brain it kills cells.
Anything.
So you're putting... Wirelessly.
If you could do it wireless, yeah, then you're using magnets and stuff.
We have that.
We do that.
That'd be fine.
tim pool
Electroencephalograms.
dr drew pinsky
No, no.
It's for treatment.
Transcranial magnetic stimulation.
For treatment of depression.
tim pool
I mean, you say it can't be done.
dr drew pinsky
No, I can't be done with it.
It can be done.
tim pool
Current technology.
dr drew pinsky
No, no.
If they use magnets and magnetic fields, then I'm all in.
tim pool
Well, I'm just saying like we may eventually develop a technology for some kind of conductor that wouldn't kill the brain that allows data transmission.
dr drew pinsky
That I'm in.
tim pool
You're in.
dr drew pinsky
No, I'm in with that.
tim pool
You'd plug your brain into the machine?
dr drew pinsky
Oh, would I do it?
As long as it didn't take over, like intermittently?
I think that would be very interesting.
How would you know?
Yeah, right.
tim pool
It's like in Star Trek.
dr drew pinsky
Well, right now, this thing's taking over.
I lost my phone.
I left it in the car before I went over here.
It's the weirdest feeling in the world now.
When you lose your phone, you feel completely naked and lost.
tim pool
It's crazy.
This is a good one from Diane Reynolds.
What are Dr. Drew's thoughts on mass psychosis?
dr drew pinsky
Oh, mass formation psychosis.
So, alright, you ready?
tim pool
I think we're experiencing it heavily with the cult of the liberal establishment.
dr drew pinsky
There's something going on, that's for sure.
So this, again, I'm so bad with names, this Belgium, Belgium, what do you call them?
He came up with this notion of the mass formation psychosis.
It's too late at night, I wasn't spinning it out.
Belgish, blemish.
He came up with this notion of the mass formation psychosis.
The idea is if you have lots of free-floating anxiety, very limited social connections,
and lack of meaning, that it's very easy for people to get swept into things,
swept into movements, and most particularly into sort of tribal movements
that include rituals, like wearing a mask.
And the more those rituals are disconnected from any evidentiary reality, the less masks are useful, the more they cling to them as a signal of their group participation.
And if you're somebody who has been away from a group and really feels isolated, and now here's a way to stay connected and say, I'm a part of it.
I wear that mask outside.
The more ridiculous, the better, to let you know I'm all into that group.
And this becomes rather psychotic, right?
It becomes histrionic.
It becomes hysterical.
I said at the very, during Trump's, I guess probably two or three years into Trump's administration, I kept saying, there's something going on where people are becoming histrionic, they're becoming psychotic.
If you had come to me six, seven years ago and said, you know, kept talking about Nazis, and you're seeing Nazis everywhere, and told me that there was a Russian operative in the Oval Office, I would put you in the hospital.
unidentified
5150?
dr drew pinsky
That is a psychotic symptom.
And there are all, there is a free-floating psychotic, and then the Paranoia is on the other side, these paranoid conspiracy preoccupations.
So there is definitely the circumstances that can set up a mass formation.
There is definitely psychotic symptoms flying around.
And back when I wrote a book about narcissism 15 years ago, I wanted to put a chapter in about what happens when narcissists get stressed and how they form mobs and then start using guillotines.
I wanted to look at other examples in history.
Only thing I could find was the Aztecs and pre-revolutionary France.
And France being the best example of how we treat kids, very similar in pre-revolutionary France.
How we traumatize kids, sexual abuse, physical abuse, abandonment, neglect, massive pandemic of that creates a lot of PTSD and narcissism and cluster B personality disorders and they tend to form mobs and act out their aggression Collectively like that, with scapegoating.
I wonder if Hitler was one of those too, because he was pretty beat up in World War I. It wasn't just him, the whole country was beat up in World War I, so there was this trauma.
Yeah, and so the scapegoating became the Jews.
tim pool
I think, based on what I've seen, I think mass formation psychosis.
dr drew pinsky
Something like that.
They may not be the exact construct, but it's a pretty good one.
tim pool
I'm like, there are people that I've known my whole life, they've literally gone insane.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
tim pool
And there's no other explanation.
Insane is exactly it.
Like the things I see them posting online, the things they've said to me, I'm like, you don't live in the real world anymore.
unidentified
Yeah.
dr drew pinsky
It's really strange.
tim pool
But you say like seeing Nazis everywhere.
It's actually like what we actually see in mainstream conversations.
They still believe the Russia hoax.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There are still, it's a world that was crafted upon a false reality.
And maybe it's because of the media.
dr drew pinsky
Well, the media has been flaming it for sure.
Social media has been flaming it.
tim pool
But think about this.
Someone today, their whole worldview is built upon six years of fake news.
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
tim pool
Seven years.
dr drew pinsky
I know.
tim pool
Starting with Trump's campaign, Russia hoax and all that stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And one by one their worldview is built upon how do you go back seven years to correct someone's shattered psyche?
dr drew pinsky
You can't.
You get such powerful cognitive dissonance and you can see it when they start attacking the person who exposes them to this.
tim pool
Right.
dr drew pinsky
The ad hominem arguments tells you the cognitive dissonance has been triggered.
tim pool
I think part of it is that humans are scared to be wrong for a variety of reasons.
dr drew pinsky
Well, we're wired this way.
What we are wired against is any change to our physical being, but it turns out the same resistance to change of our physical being is wired into our self.
The self can't be changed, and part of the self is our belief system.
tim pool
I read this a long time ago, and I don't know exactly what it was.
It's been too long.
But it's that, you know, our mind is developing until about the age of 24.
Is that right?
Around there?
24 to 28 or something like that?
dr drew pinsky
I hate to think that's true, but it is about true.
tim pool
Well, man, 27, 28, really.
And then you're an adult, and then your brain stops.
And I was reading about why people have emotional breakdowns and panic attacks and things like that.
And they said, humans evolved to defend their worldview.
Because if you've made it to the age of 25, you've succeeded.
Whatever it is you were doing, succeeded.
dr drew pinsky
You survived.
tim pool
You survived.
And this will keep you alive and your children.
If this is wrong and it breaks, you are now at risk.
So what happens is, humans who would make dramatic changes at some point in their life, would have a lower success rate and be more likely to die.
Not definitively, but it's just basic attrition. From an evolutionary perspective, you're
saying? Right, yes. Over a long enough period of time, those that were firm in their beliefs were
more likely to survive. Correct.
So if someone is, say, 35 years old and they've built their worldview, and then you enter into
logic that is indisputable, and it breaks that, it… It puts them at risk of not surviving and thus they retreat to an emotional space of anger to try and reject what you've said because it will make them less likely to survive.
dr drew pinsky
And religion was always a big part of that and people fought wars over these things and now the new religion is political.
tim pool
And so we are coming up to seven years now of fake news hoaxes.
And there are people today who believed that story from seven years ago about Russia and the Alpha Bank and all that.
They still believe it.
They will not entertain reality.
And there is no way for us to rewind the clock seven years to someone... I mean, seven years, every cell in your body, they say, has changed.
Your whole being is built on a fictitious reality.
I don't see how you solve that problem.
Wait seven years or seven more years of correcting it.
We'd have to shut down We have to we have to it's gonna be longer than that CNN's, you know, they're they're undergoing they're transforming dramatically We have to gain a sphere of influence to the point where it's undeniable.
dr drew pinsky
What do you mean by that?
tim pool
Reality is undeniable Who needs a sphere of influence?
dr drew pinsky
You need to have a sphere of influence.
tim pool
People who are not psychotic.
dr drew pinsky
People who are connected to reality.
Yes.
ian crossland
Concentric spheres.
tim pool
Need to gain control over the... And I don't mean any one person centralizing control.
I'm saying the systems of influence need to be Overwhelmingly run by those who are in objective reality.
That is, the Russiagate stuff was a hoax.
Trump wasn't a Russian agent.
There's not Nazis everywhere.
The total amount of white supremacists in the country according to I think the ADL, I'm not sure, it's like 10,000 people, not several million like the media is lying about.
Once these big networks like Vox, which claim, they said like millions of people were white supremacists or shared those views, it's insane.
Once they lose influence and stop this, then these people who are experiencing mass formation psychosis might be forced out.
Rather painfully, I might add, but it's the only way.
To get someone out of a cult, you have to remove them from the cult, cut off their connection, but they have it.
dr drew pinsky
But oftentimes, but this is a really interesting point, I've not thought of it this way, if you look at it through the prism of cult, there's often a, I forget what they call it, like when things rush in, when there's a sudden, fully, sort of a collapse of their cult views and a rush in of reality.
It's uncomfortable, it's painful, it takes a while to adjust to it, but it's not a slow process, it's a fast process.
I was listening to a podcast on the way in here about the JFK uh sort of conspiracy theory was a guy who was a conspiracy
theorist the most of his young life and then started actually reading the reports of what what
you know what the evidence was one way or the other and it all of a sudden just crushed in on him
one day and he had to change his whole outlook in one day and that's very common with cultish
kinds of views so i i it may happen all at once to people one at a time because of cell phones
tim pool
these people can can always reconnect with the cult to reaffirm their cult worldview
dr drew pinsky
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's a scary reality.
dr drew pinsky
Yes.
tim pool
All right, we got this from jcrane02 says, former opioid user.
I was shot in Afghanistan by a sniper and was put on oxycodone and took me over seven years to get off, nearly killed myself over the withdrawal.
dr drew pinsky
So sorry.
tim pool
Suboxone, is that how you pronounce it?
dr drew pinsky
Yep.
tim pool
Saved my life, vets are dying.
So what?
I was going to say, when I was in 26, 2014, I had a kidney stone.
They gave me Percocet.
I took one, and it was the most intense feeling I have ever had, and I never took another pill.
dr drew pinsky
Good feeling.
tim pool
Got rid of it.
Yeah, yeah.
But as good as I felt, once I was done, I was terrified, and I just never took one again.
dr drew pinsky
Well, if you want to know how different the biology of one brain versus another is, so I had a big surgery I told you about earlier, and I had to take some Percocet afterwards.
I hated it.
It felt awful.
I couldn't stand it.
tim pool
Really?
dr drew pinsky
That's different biology.
tim pool
I gotta tell you, it was indescribable to feel that goodness.
dr drew pinsky
My opiate addicts literally can't believe that I didn't like it.
That's like incomprehensible to them.
tim pool
I would describe it as like A sharp, good feeling.
Acute.
It was like there was a ball of warmth and love and energy in my core radiating to every fiber of my body.
dr drew pinsky
Warm blanket, mother, those sorts of feelings.
Yeah, I get the opposite.
I get sort of dysphoric and awful and irritable.
tim pool
And I looked at it and I was like, I know exactly why this kills people.
dr drew pinsky
Cannabis does that to some people too.
That's when they get addicted to it.
luke rudkowski
Alcohol as well.
Booze doesn't do that for me.
dr drew pinsky
But Suboxone, medically assisted treatment, excellent.
It saves some lives.
It's sort of overdone and people aren't encouraged to get off it soon enough and there's problems
with it, but it saves lives, no doubt.
ian crossland
Regarding mass formation, I wonder if you've noticed this phenomenon of people saying right
after some, they'll make a statement.
It's been about five or six years.
I've noticed it very much in the last two where they'll be like, they'll be talking
to you, right?
And they'll say something that, you know, the UFO is floating, right?
And they say right as if it's almost like a cult identifier or like they're not confident
that what they're telling you is real.
dr drew pinsky
I have noticed myself that I always have to check in with people and make sure they're
I don't know if it's because of the acrimony that's out there.
I always find myself going, am I making sense?
Do you hear me?
Did you understand what I'm saying?
Because there's so much conflict triggered by just by misunderstanding each other.
That's where I check in like that.
ian crossland
So there's a, there's like a fear, like a sociological fear that people aren't, that the individual's not being heard.
dr drew pinsky
They're not hearing us.
I noticed, I, you know, I've been studying French lately and they're very big on saying, tu vois?
Tu vois?
Do you see?
Do you see?
Constantly they say that.
Uh, and so, and I, it caught my ear cause when I was, when I studied French when I was younger, I didn't, didn't remember them saying that.
So it's happening there too.
Interesting, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
dr drew pinsky
By the way, the French have been very intriguing.
I don't know if you've been following what happened.
I was in Paris a year ago and the youth were in the streets demonstrating against the overreach of the government.
I was like, whoa!
And their whole thing was, hey, you told us this illness isn't so bad for us as a young person, a thin young person, but you're going to force us to take a vaccine with unknown potential consequences?
That is not liberté.
That's not what this country is founded on.
I was like, wow, how appealing to have young people fighting for the principles upon which the Republic was founded.
luke rudkowski
There was a lot of protests globally, but they were just censored, and no one was supposed to know about them on social media.
dr drew pinsky
Well, you didn't know.
In this country, it was the opposite.
They wanted more masking, more of this, more of that.
It's like, oh my God.
unidentified
Woo!
tim pool
All right.
Cain IV says, Would any of the modern-day psychosis have any relation to the collective unconscious?
dr drew pinsky
Well, you know, first you have to say, is there a collective unconscious?
I believe there's a collective something, for sure.
And the collective something has been going in a certain direction lately, yes, and it has contributed to this general whatever this is.
Yes, for sure.
It's not even a collective unconscious, but it's certainly a state that we are all in.
ian crossland
It's brain entrainment.
Have you heard of this entrainment phenomenon where external stimuli will alter the way that the brain functions?
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, it does.
But it's really, look, we've scared an entire world.
We locked down a world.
It's just unthinkable things we've been through.
Of course, there's going to be effects on it.
But it started before this, though.
I mean, you're right.
It started six years ago with Trump.
It's like all Trump derangement or something or that triggered it or started it or something.
tim pool
And now it's not Trump anymore.
It's become a general derangement syndrome.
dr drew pinsky
I think there was an Obama derangement syndrome too.
I remember some of the weird stuff people would send me about him.
I was like, come on.
And then it escalated with Trump and then it really went wild during COVID.
tim pool
All right, everybody, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.
I can look at the analytics we have for this show, and I can clearly tell something has been going on, especially this past week, especially today.
And we're getting a ton of messages from people who are saying they can't find it in search, the notifications aren't popping up.
Some people say they've watched every episode since the show started, and this is the first time they haven't gotten notifications.
dr drew pinsky
I ruined Tim Pool.
I ruined it!
Tim Cast, I did it.
Why put the final count?
tim pool
There you go.
dr drew pinsky
I ended it.
ian crossland
The phoenix rises, brother.
tim pool
If you want to help out, you can be the notification and just share TimCast.com, where the live video player goes up every night on the homepage.
Because maybe they'll censor the YouTube link or something, who knows.
But sharing the video player and the channel, encouraging people to watch it if you do like it, is the most powerful thing you can do.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me at TimCast.
Dr. Drew, do you want to shout out anything?
dr drew pinsky
Yeah, I do.
My wife produces my streaming shows with our webmaster, Caleb Nation, and they were all over me like, this is so amazing!
You're the Tim Guest!
Make sure you talk about the shows.
So I am a bad promoter.
So let me try to do my best here, which is we do a streaming show on Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday at three o'clock Pacific time.
Our Wednesday shows, I think will be very particularly interesting to you people because I'm with Dr. Kelly Victory, who's one of the people that have been silenced and de-platformed.
We don't always agree on everything, which is what makes it interesting, and then she and I interview the people that have all been Jay Bhattacharya and Milo, all the names you've heard, we interview them all, all of them, and really get, and repeatedly as time goes on.
And Adam and Drew, I have an Adam and Drew show, I have a Dr. Drew podcast, and then I have the Your Mom's House, Dr. Drew, it's all Dr. Drew.com, Dr. Drew.tv.
Please come on over, I'd love to see the Timcast world over there, it'd be fantastic.
tim pool
Yeah, it'd be cool, yeah.
Thanks for coming, appreciate it.
dr drew pinsky
Do I have to go?
ian crossland
We've got to talk about terrain theory.
dr drew pinsky
Terrain theory?
I was so depressed before.
I will come back.
luke rudkowski
We're doing a picnic tomorrow if you want to come out.
dr drew pinsky
I've got to go to New York tomorrow.
I'm so impressed that people come out here.
I love that they come to you.
You know what I mean?
Far away.
This is far away.
tim pool
We pay to fly people in.
dr drew pinsky
But they come.
To me, I wanted to be here and I thought, wow, all these people come.
That is a really significant endorsement of what you're doing.
So congratulations.
I appreciate it, man.
Most people can't get people to do this.
tim pool
And I'm going to tell you this too, I mean, listening to Loveline every night when I was a kid, you've had a big influence on me growing up.
And I think it must be weird for you, you know, you're older, you walk in and the first thing I was like, hey, nice to meet you.
I was like, I used to listen to your show all the time when I was a kid.
dr drew pinsky
When I was a kid, or my mom loves you, or my grandmother loves you.
Which is even worse.
I've had this extraordinary life.
I've had this extraordinary clinical experience, this media stuff.
Where did this come from?
It was all just this serendipitous thing that happened to me.
I never planned any of it.
tim pool
Are your patients, is it weird for them that you're Dr. Drew?
dr drew pinsky
All my medical patients I've followed for 20 years and they're like, Go get them and do your thing, you know.
And they're all now in their 75 and plus, you know, a lot of them are.
So that doesn't bother them.
On the addiction medicine side, you know, I ran a big program, you know, in a hospital with very sick patients with Shelly and Bob and all the people you saw in Sleepy Rehab.
And these patients would come in and they would say, you know, I was watching this show and I realized I couldn't deny it any longer.
And they're like, And you were there and you were there.
And then to a person they go, Oh, good.
You can help me.
Let's just help me.
I want to feel better.
And that was it.
So nothing ever really comes of it otherwise, which is nice.
And so I can live in two, I live in a lot of very different worlds and I am so grateful.
So back to your point about making a difference.
That's all I've ever wanted to do is make a difference, help people and That's it.
And to say that I've done that is, uh, I'm very grateful.
luke rudkowski
Well, this was a, this was a great conversation and I think it also helped a lot of people.
So thank you so much for coming on.
I really appreciate it.
dr drew pinsky
Thank you for doing your research and co-signing all this stuff I was going on about.
And, uh, Tim, listen to him.
Listen to him a little bit.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
Thank you.
Appreciate that.
My website is lukeuncensored.com and man, I really love to talk about the health stuff.
I wish we could talk about it more and I think they censor it because it actually is really important and it helps a lot of people.
I talk about it a lot and my own personal health journey in my latest video, lukeuncensored.com.
Hope to see some of you guys there.
And Ian, if you make a pledge right now, I will work out with you with a Soldier Fit.
Danny from Soldier Fit, once a week, right now, every Friday.
You in?
unidentified
I'm gonna need to look at the contract.
luke rudkowski
Come on!
MMA, self-defense, training.
ian crossland
It sounds phenomenal.
luke rudkowski
That's the contract.
I laid out the contract.
ian crossland
As long as I don't get there and they're like, now run a mile.
You know, we'll figure it out.
luke rudkowski
Hey, hey, hey.
unidentified
It's work, bro.
luke rudkowski
Cardio is good.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's a lot of things that work.
I mean, technically, we're all working right now.
luke rudkowski
I laid out the contract.
It's simple.
It's plain.
unidentified
Yes or no?
ian crossland
I love you, Luke, and I'm totally into this.
So, yes.
Let's look into it further.
Friday, I'm going to get buffed.
tim pool
Ian, think of the fans.
ian crossland
I'm going to get ripped, and then I'm going to pick my girlfriend up and carry her around the room while we're having sex.
luke rudkowski
We could make a video series about this.
tim pool
I want you to imagine right now.
How you looked when you were doing that training montage for the MTG comedy.
ian crossland
So skinny and gross in my neck.
tim pool
Imagine your neck just three times as thick.
ian crossland
And you're just Russell Brand.
That's how Rusty Rockets got so hot is because he's working out, you know, taking care of his body.
tim pool
That's right.
luke rudkowski
We could do a video series.
tim pool
Think of the fans.
ian crossland
I only hope that next time we get to talk about germ theory and terrain theory.
dr drew pinsky
Terrain theory?
ian crossland
You've probably heard of it.
Yeah, the germ theory is that there's a germ that flows through the air, gets on you, and duplicates, whereas the terrain theory is if your body's in the right physiological state, the germ will proliferate, but if it's in a different state, the germ won't be able to proliferate.
tim pool
Love you, man.
ian crossland
And also, like Tim, Loveline really kind of helped guide me in my early, I was like 12, and I learned about sex ed.
dr drew pinsky
Well, and I started the show, really started because of HIV and AIDS.
We weren't even calling it AIDS yet, and we didn't have a causative agent, but no one was talking to young people about it.
That was really what motivated me to go do it, and I treated, I was deep in the AIDS epidemic during the time.
And by the way, in terms of pandemics, that one had a 100% fatality rate, all never wrong.
We'd tell people they had six months to live, and we were never wrong.
unidentified
Wow.
dr drew pinsky
Think how different that is than a 1% fatality rate.
But anyway, and so it motivated me to come in, and the notion I had when I came, I was like 24 years old, and I thought, God, this stuff is so easy for people to understand, just no one tells young people.
They need to just understand, and I just, this is what I would have wanted when I was 14.
That was the idea.
ian crossland
Love you, man.
dr drew pinsky
See you, buddy.
lydia smith
Thank you guys very much for tuning in this evening.
This was an incredibly fun conversation with Dr. Drew.
We will have to have you back.
Please bring Adam Carolla.
We were going to have him.
He's super busy too.
I know you are as well.
dr drew pinsky
Bringing him is not... You got to coerce him.
unidentified
What's his favorite food?
dr drew pinsky
Let me think of some things you can... We'll have like a throne chair with everything.
tim pool
Like he likes a cigar and like the right pizza.
dr drew pinsky
There might be something.
tim pool
We'll have a little crown he can put it on.
dr drew pinsky
There might be a way to do it.
lydia smith
I really would love to have Adam and you together.
dr drew pinsky
I would too.
lydia smith
We should reprise this, for sure.
You guys can follow me on twitter and vines.com, at sarahpetchlitz, as well as sarahpetchlitz.me.
tim pool
We're going to have a picnic tomorrow, so I hope y'all have a really good weekend.
Thanks for hanging out, and we'll see you all on Monday.
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