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Aug. 24, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - FBI Ordered NOT To Investigate Hunter Biden Says Whistleblower w/James Lindsay
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ian crossland
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james lindsay
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tim pool
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tim pool
you so we got some FBI whistleblowers
They've come out and they've said that the FBI, top brass, told them not to investigate Hunter Biden and his laptop because they didn't want to influence an election.
So instead, just let a crooked guy win, I guess?
It's shocking, but probably not shocking to a lot of people.
The idea, I guess, is that they're concerned in 2016, when they did the whole Hillary Clinton email thing, they may have swayed an election.
Well, here you go.
They were instructed not to investigate, so we will be talking about that.
Plus, Marjorie Taylor Greene got swatted.
Yup.
Dude, swatting is an attempted murder, as far as I'm concerned, because people have died.
It may not be as direct of a threat or act of terror as, like, literally showing up to, say, like, Brett Kavanaugh's house, but it is extreme.
And if we're getting to that point where individuals are targeting sitting members of Congress in such a way, I gotta tell you, man, look, January 6th was bad.
It was a riot.
But this is direct targeting of a politician.
It's all in this space of dramatic escalation.
Turns out, according to police, it's being reported the individual who swatted Marjorie Taylor Greene was a trans rights activist.
So we'll be talking about that and so much more.
Crazy days.
Donald Trump is celebrating that he's got all of his endorsements won.
Even Democrats.
Congratulations, Trump.
You endorsed Democrats and they won, I guess.
Sure, whatever.
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We actually just filmed a really funny bit involving chickens, but maybe we'll talk about—no, we shouldn't give it away.
And we also have Tales from the Inverted World.
We were able to film an amazing bit for Cast Castle with our current guest, James Lindsay.
Is it Dr. James Lindsay?
james lindsay
It is.
tim pool
Dr. James Lindsay!
james lindsay
It's a little embarrassing these days, though, to admit that you stayed in academia that long.
tim pool
Nah, and you got a PhD.
So for those that don't know who you are, who are you?
james lindsay
I'm Dr. James Lindsay.
lydia smith
That's concise.
tim pool
I like it.
That explains it.
james lindsay
Tim, I'm dead.
I died.
They kicked me off of Twitter.
tim pool
That's it.
Your digital self is gone.
james lindsay
That's right.
R.I.P.
me.
R.I.P.
James.
tim pool
You wanna pull that microphone up a little bit?
james lindsay
Sure.
unidentified
R.I.P.
James?
james lindsay
I always do this.
Yeah, R.I.P.
James.
Look at this.
unidentified
Yeah, look at that.
tim pool
That's it.
He was sword fighting.
james lindsay
That's what Lydia said.
Lydia said that I'm jacked.
lydia smith
That's right.
It's getting jacked.
Working on it.
james lindsay
Okay, so I criticize woke stuff.
I read Marxism.
I tell people what Marxist books say, and I criticize woke as a form of Marxism.
I call it woke Marxism, as a matter of fact.
That's not a joke.
I know there's a lot of joking involved in what I say and do, but... Like, critical race theory is basically woke Marxism.
I wrote a book in February called Race Marxism that's about critical race theory, so yeah.
Right now I'm doing education theory.
I'm going through that.
I'm diving into this so-called queer theory, which, guess what I would think of it as?
Queer Marxism.
tim pool
Yeah, there you go.
james lindsay
Yeah, whole thing.
So, I think everybody knows who I am, actually.
tim pool
Yeah, everyone, everyone.
james lindsay
Because I've been struck down like Obi-Wan, which made me much stronger.
tim pool
Of course.
ian crossland
I sensed your presence.
james lindsay
I knew you could.
tim pool
Thanks for coming.
We also have Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
She's hanging out.
hannah claire brimelow
Hi, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland, also happy to be here.
What's up, everybody?
James, looking forward to finding out why you got banned from Twitter.
I'm still shocked, still reeling.
Let's talk more about that in a bit.
lydia smith
We will get into it for sure.
I am back this evening.
My hand is still incredibly crippled.
Oh, you can't see it.
There you go.
And sore up my little T-Rex arm.
Let's get going.
tim pool
Yikes.
Lydia got surgery.
lydia smith
I did.
Yeah, they broke it again and they put bolts in it.
Super metal.
ian crossland
Were you awake for that?
lydia smith
No, no, no.
I made them knock me out.
I was like, goodbye.
tim pool
What was it like?
You just like fell asleep?
lydia smith
Yeah, it was great.
It was great.
I just drifted off.
tim pool
That freaks me out, you know?
Like when you're going for surgery, it's like, what happens?
Do you like, do you dream while they're chopping?
It's a nap.
james lindsay
I woke up in a surgery once.
lydia smith
No, don't recommend that.
hannah claire brimelow
I've heard people doing that with their wisdom teeth.
james lindsay
Yeah, it was my wisdom teeth.
ian crossland
I was not put under for that.
james lindsay
Man, I woke up and they were like hammering to break the... I don't know if you knew they'd break your wisdom teeth to get them out.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I wasn't put under for that.
james lindsay
And the guy started like laughing.
Like I was like... I couldn't talk.
My mouth was like clamped open.
tim pool
Could you feel it?
james lindsay
I felt pressure, like the hitting, but no, it didn't hurt.
And the guy starts laughing, and he's like, night-night, and you could see him like rallying, and he gave me more drugs, and man, I was like, I came out of that surgery messed up for like a day.
tim pool
Yeah, I got a, one of my, a couple of my wisdom teeth were taken out very methodically and professionally, and I was uneventful, but one was impacted, and the dude had a chisel and was like bashing it, and I was like, ah, ah, ah!
hannah claire brimelow
I was under for mine, all of mine were impacted, and when I woke up I was really stressed out, probably coming out of the anesthesia, but like requested adamantly that they return my teeth to me.
I don't know what it was, I was like very distressed.
They're like, they're broken.
I was like, I need them.
ian crossland
Return what you've stolen from me.
tim pool
All right, let's talk about this.
We got some news, man.
Let's talk about the story we got from the New York Post.
FBI brass warned agents off Hunter Biden laptop due to 2020 election, according to whistleblowers.
FBI officials told agents not to investigate first son Hunter Biden's infamous laptop for months, vowing that the bureau was, quote, not going to change the outcome of the election again, according to whistleblower claims made public by Wednesday by Senator Ron Johnson.
These new allegations provide even more evidence of FBI corruption and renew calls for you to take immediate steps to investigate the FBI's actions, regardless of the laptop Johnson wrote in a letter to Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz.
According to the senator, individuals with knowledge had told his office that local FBI leadership had slow-walked the laptop investigation after the computer was recovered from a Wilmington, Delaware repair shop in December of 2019.
We got this story from The Examiner.
Jim Jordan says, more FBI whistleblowers are coming forward every other week.
Here's where it gets crazy.
The FBI said not to investigate very serious crimes, which literally involved the man running.
And the excuse was, we don't want to interfere in an election.
It's like, no, you're literally interfering.
You're pausing your job, not bringing criminal justice accountability to a corrupt family, Because the person's running for office.
At the same time, right now, Donald Trump, who we all know is going to be running, is having his home raided by the FBI, and they're cheering for it.
So very clearly, I just, can I just, what's the word for, you know, when we've done hundreds of shows, Thousands of segments and we just talk about political civil war conflict weaponization of the DOJ all of that stuff and like this is It certainly should be a a cold splash of water in the face of the average person And if this doesn't do it for you like to somebody and they don't believe it there.
There's no there's no change in their minds you actually have the FBI whistleblower saying We were told not to investigate a Hunter Biden laptop, which includes Joe Biden.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump currently, right now, is having his home raided.
Okay, there you go.
It's busted.
ian crossland
What do we do?
We do what we do, which is, I pledge to point it out, doing nothing is a form of doing something.
Often, sitting by and watching evil take place is an active thing you do.
They certainly influence the election by not getting involved or by choosing to ignore it.
That's a form of influence.
tim pool
Like, it would be if, let's say there's a house on fire and it's got evidence of a crime in it and the firefighters are like...
I'm not going to put that fire out because then somebody might find that evidence and use that against the person who lives there.
So we'd rather just let the place burn down, I guess.
That makes no sense.
The FBI, their law enforcement, they're supposed to say, we will stop criminal activity.
This means Hunter Biden could have been actively engaged in criminal activity for a year.
And the FBI was like, well, you know, but, uh, you know, Joe Biden's going to run for office, so we better just let him do it.
There you go.
Welcome to, uh, what's, what's, what's the word for it?
What do we, what do we call this era in American history?
Is there a word we can use?
hannah claire brimelow
I don't know.
I mean it's just such a like partisan play right?
We don't want to influence an election depending on who's running and also who we don't want to run.
It's just so strange and open.
I am surprised that the FBI I was really surprised when the obvious answer after Mar-a-Lago was people being like, we don't know that we trust the FBI.
Why are we letting this organization run this way?
And the response was, no, you can't say that about this giant government institution.
Like, it seems like it's clearly biased to favor Democrats right now and to protect Democrats who might be conducting or acting illegally.
But obviously, Choosing to investigate Trump and other Republicans.
It's just, how can you even trust the system when it's so obviously biased?
tim pool
But they don't care.
hannah claire brimelow
No, they don't.
ian crossland
I think what they're really trying to do is protect the liberal economic order, which is this global, you know, thing we've had since 1946, basically to prevent World War III.
I don't personally think it's like a Democrat-Republican thing.
I think they're trying to hold up the old order.
tim pool
I disagree somewhat.
I agree that there are powerful interests and entities that clearly want the liberal international economy to stay afloat.
But people are chatting about Sam Harris as a good example of exactly what is going on here.
Sam Harris, he said the quiet part out loud.
And then he tried walking it back because he realized what he was saying, what he was admitting to.
He said he would not care if Hunter Biden had the corpses of children in his basement.
It's like you realize who's giving this guy money and who's funding this and what that investigation would actually lead to, but they don't care.
They're psychopaths.
I don't know.
What's the mental Trump derangement syndrome?
Is that the official diagnosis?
You have people who are like, Sam Harris literally saying Hunter Biden could be abusing and murdering kids, but Trump once had a university and that's worse.
He actually said those words.
He said, I wouldn't care if there were corpses of children in Hunter Biden's basement.
What Trump did with Trump University was way worse than anything Hunter Biden could have done.
And it's like, what?
The worst case scenario is Trump opened a fake university and ripped some people off.
And that's worse than Joe Biden funneling U.S.
taxpayer money to Ukraine and getting us involved in war and surrendering in Afghanistan?
james lindsay
Among other things.
So you asked, what is this period in America's history called?
It's the attempted, hopefully attempted, color revolution of the United States.
tim pool
Weimar America?
james lindsay
Well, one wishes, actually.
It's worse than that.
It's exactly the same kind of thing they pulled in Ukraine a couple, you know, like 2014 or whatever.
We're talking about a revolution.
They are attempting to take over the country illegitimately, in my opinion.
tim pool
Yeah, and what I was saying earlier is, you know, I've talked about civil war, but I should revise that.
Because civil war implies two factions competing.
Right now, it just looks like it's a revolution.
So, you know, you look at Soviet Russia, you look at Germany, those were not civil wars.
The political conflict ultimately resulted in one faction just instantly winning without a civil war.
So, to be a bit more pessimistic, the result of everything that's going on would be revolution.
But I do kind of feel like they're losing, so...
james lindsay
I do too.
And so, I mean, another way that we could characterize this, since you have me here and I talk about Marxist theory all the time, is that what we're actually living through is kind of the logic of this essay from 1965 called Repressive Tolerance.
I bring this up a million times.
I brought it up here before.
But the logic of Repressive Tolerance is that the left must be tolerated at any—this is actually, you can look up the essay itself.
It's the thesis statement.
We must extend tolerance to the left.
We must not extend tolerance to the right.
They say that this includes the level of violence.
Herbert Marcuse is the one who wrote this in 1965.
He said, you know, it's never ethical to engage in violence, but since when does ethics make history?
And so he excuses violence, and he has a long paragraph where he mentions violence like 13 times.
And he says there's a big difference between revolutionary violence and reactionary violence.
And what the deal is, we must extend tolerance to the left and not to the right.
And he says to the point with the right, that what you're actually trying to stop, and this is a Hunter Biden story, right?
What you're trying to stop is the thought from entering the potential reactionary's mind.
He says that it involves not just censorship, but pre-censorship.
You don't even want the right wing, which everybody who's not a revolutionary on the left is the right wing, by the way.
You don't even want the thought to enter their mind that would allow anything except left-wing power to take control.
And so we live in the logic of that essay.
I would guess that our Department of Justice and our FBI have taken this horrifically totalitarian document from the 60s as an instruction manual.
And what you see then is you see this cracking down on President Trump, which by the way, I was on a flight recently to California.
I'm sitting next to a lifelong, she's in her, you know, 70s, lifelong California liberal, married to a professor, the whole thing, right?
So you're thinking some leftist.
She starts talking about Trump.
She's like, well, first she asked me what I do.
I said, I go around, I talk about Marxism, I study Marxism.
She's like, well, I don't know anything about Marxism.
I'm thinking that's why you probably support it.
unidentified
But she says that she's asking me, do you think Trump's a dictator?
Yeah.
james lindsay
I think he might have been an attempted dictator, this whole thing.
And then she says, but this raid on his house was too far.
So you talk about shaking people loose and freaking people out.
She's like, this isn't what we do in America.
They shouldn't have raided his house.
And I was like, wow, that's something.
Now, I heard a podcast with like a literal neocommunist, one of the people that's in league with that literal neocommunist that AOC shared a megaphone with after Samara Taylor or whatever name is, after the Roe v. Wade decision.
And this podcast was with an educator who's also an open communist, Henry Giroux, who like changed all of American education to be what it is today.
And in that podcast, she's like, the very fact that they raided his house, Well, so I often eschew the left-right paradigm.
he's done all this wrong stuff.
And I was like, wow, the dividing line in our society is people who think the institutions are still legitimate,
like Sam Harris, and people who don't, who have questions at least about them.
tim pool
Well, so I often, I eschew the left-right paradigm.
In fact, that's what my Wikipedia says about me.
And then, you know, people argue, but Tim talks about the left and the right all the time.
And I'm like, they're colloquial terms that don't really reference politics.
They reference, as I think you put it well, revolutionary.
And I don't, I don't think reactionary to be completely honest, because, um, there are reformers.
james lindsay
Right, right.
You know, the leftists view everybody except themselves as reactionaries, as the right.
And literally it's like right-wing extremists, which of course we hear from our military.
We hear from, uh, the DOJ, et cetera.
tim pool
I often say it's those who are discerning and those who are not.
Simply put, there are people who will hear information and say, I'll check into that.
And there are people who hear information and go, whoa.
unidentified
That's crazy.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
That's crazy.
And so then you end up with Michael Brown and they go, whoa, that's Chris.
And then we go, what's the report say?
Oh, the report says, hands up, don't you?
It wasn't true.
Then you get people who are like, Jesse Smollett.
Whoa.
And then we're like, okay, that sounds nuts.
Like right away when the story came out, we were like, dude, Trump supporters at 3am.
in freezing weather in Chicago in a work district, not a residential one, attacking a D-list celebrity?
I really don't believe it.
james lindsay
I stayed in that hotel in January.
It was like 8 degrees.
I had COVID.
It was awesome.
That's great.
No, sorry.
It was like minus eight degrees.
Nobody's getting attacked there.
tim pool
Let me give you a really good example, actually.
And I want to shout out to our good friend Vosh, actually.
And that's only half... Vosh, you know Vosh, right?
james lindsay
Yeah, Vush.
tim pool
Vush.
It's only half sarcastic.
I do respect that he was willing to come on the show, though we disagree with him.
But he tweeted, I delayed paying off my student loans just in case debt relief got passed and
now I find out you're not eligible if you're a famous YouTuber who makes $1 million a day,
honestly. And he's obviously joking. So I responded with OMG, this is exactly the left
Vosch is rich and wants free money.
This is proof Biden is a communist.
Very clearly, we are both just being silly.
But wow, the responses from people who instantly believed I was... Like, there are people on the left who believed Vosch was being serious, and they're going, he makes a million dollars a day.
And there are people responding to me, and they're like, look at these right-wing grifters.
Look what they're saying.
And it's just like, that's it right there.
james lindsay
Did you know if he gave a million dollars a day to people, then America could be, everybody could have a million dollars.
hannah claire brimelow
He's the one stopping it.
james lindsay
It's all Vusha's fault.
tim pool
You know what I love the most though is when someone says like, they're like, what do they say?
unidentified
Michael Bloomberg spent $500 million on the election.
tim pool
There are 300 million people living in this country.
He could have given everyone a million dollars.
It's like, do your math again.
james lindsay
Well, millions is a unit.
You have 10 eggs and everybody can have eggs.
Millions is just a unit.
It's simple.
tim pool
And so this is, you know, so to go back to your point, you know, you're mentioning it's the people who trust the institutions, people who don't.
It's like, yeah, that's all part of it.
I refer to it as a cult.
james lindsay
It is a cult.
It's 100% a cult.
I would love to talk about how like, not just religious, but cultish.
Uh, this whole, like, whether we want to deal with Woke, whether we want to deal with, like, this kind of, like, leftist arrangement cult.
Like, Sam Harris has, I would guess, I don't know, I've been out with him, but, once, but I can't guess his mind.
But I would suppose he has a group of people to whom he's very interested in maintaining their esteem.
Yeah.
And there are, let me tell you, as you would also be able to tell people, There are certain things that you just can't espouse before people decide they don't like you anymore.
People think you've lost your mind, they think that you're a terrible person, they dissociate from you.
tim pool
But that's mostly on the left.
james lindsay
It is.
tim pool
It's just on the right for sure.
james lindsay
A little bit, but I mean, it's the exception.
How did one get here?
Right.
Yeah.
So, you know, I've been cut off.
I've been, I've been canceled from all kinds of people, people I thought were friends, but you know, all sorts of stuff because, well, what did I do?
I said that maybe Trump is an all right candidate for president.
Trump's not that bad.
Maybe orange man good, you know, who knows?
Maybe making America great again is a good idea.
Cause it's kind of a, on the descent right now, if we don't kind of curb some of these things.
tim pool
I've been talking about music lately because we're releasing this song, and it's fresh in my mind.
So for those that are wondering, it's like, why is Tim bringing it up again?
Well, it's like, it's in my mind.
We're working on this project.
And I tweeted this today, like, there are people who are scared to say things they like, and that's weird to me.
So Nickelback is a really good example.
Um, because everybody jokes about how awful Nickelback is.
It's like, dude, they have ten, six, top ten.
Oh, I'm sorry, they have six top tens on Billboard Hot 100, and they have won Billboard Hot 100 number one for four weeks.
For one month, they had a song on the number, the number one song.
Like, people clearly like Nickelback.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
But it became a meme where it was like, you weren't cool if you admitted liking them.
james lindsay
Well, that's because they went huge.
tim pool
Maybe, but I'll say this, you know, so I was like, People clearly like them.
Not really my jam.
I've never been a fan of them.
But they did a cover of Devil Went Down to Georgia, which is mind-blowingly good.
It's one of the best covers of the song I've ever heard.
The guitar playing is crazy.
The vocals are fantastic.
They cut the chorus out, though, and I'm like, hmm.
Come on, man.
Charlie Daniels Band, it's a classic song.
But it was really, really good.
It's amazing.
I got no problem saying that.
And there are people tweeting at me being like, this explains it.
Uh-huh.
He admits it.
And I'm like, do you think I care?
I genuinely enjoy that song.
I will tell you that.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm not worried about you not liking me because you do nothing for my life.
james lindsay
There's a term for this.
tim pool
What is it?
james lindsay
It's preference falsification.
It's that in order to appear socially acceptable, you falsify your actual preferences.
That you like a Nickelback cover or song or band, period.
But you know that the people you're talking to will think you're not cool if you do that.
And so you falsify your preferences as a social maneuver.
tim pool
That's crazy to me.
james lindsay
And I actually think that people like Sam Harris falsified their preferences, or maybe they didn't.
Maybe they just got sucked in by the psyops.
But a lot of people falsified their preferences about Trump to the point where they believed it.
Like it drove them, if you live in crazy town for long enough, you go crazy.
tim pool
I mentioned this the other day a couple times, a video of a woman asking three women, what is a woman?
And I think it was meant while she responded, these women all clearly know what a woman is, but they're trying to reconcile the definition with what they're allowed to say.
james lindsay
That's right.
Yeah.
So it's like definition falsification or something.
A lot of people miss, by the way, the big point of what is a woman.
A lot of people don't understand what that's about.
And just to point out, Kentonji Brown-Jackson actually told us when Marshall Blackburn caught her out, said, what is a woman?
She said, I don't know.
Do I look like a biologist or whatever it was she said exactly about invoking an expert?
What she said is, I can't answer that question without asking an expert.
tim pool
Yeah.
james lindsay
In other words, we can't answer simple questions about reality without an expert telling us what the right answer is.
And that's scary as hell because that's super power grab territory, right?
And that's exactly what they are doing by undermining definitions, by undermining people's ability to say what's real and not real or, you know, use words and have them mean things.
tim pool
You mentioned this woman on the plane, right?
You're saying?
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
And she said the raid on Trump went too far.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm wondering if there's a point where, you know, Sam Harris, let me slow down, go to Sam Harris.
He's got the most severe TDS I have ever seen.
That woman does not.
She's probably a normal person and just passively absorbs information and thinks Trump is bad because she's just hearing it.
But then when she hears something crosses the line, she made up her mind.
That's too much for me.
Sam Harris told us there could be corpses of children in the basement of Hunter Biden.
He wouldn't care.
james lindsay
And he compared him to an asteroid that's going to destroy the earth.
That's lunacy.
tim pool
Like not only is that just on its face laughably crazy, but even if Trump really was Hitler and like the worst dictator possible, would never amount to an asteroid smashing into earth and wiping out all life as we know it.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
Like bad dictator, bad.
We deal with bad dictator.
Certainly it's not an asteroid coming to wipe out the planet, rip through its core and blow it up.
ian crossland
He's speaking in hyperbole for sure.
I mentioned to you, it seems like he has like either he needs friends or he's got a group of insulated friends and he's in an echo chamber and he needs like people to listen to him and tell him when he's being an idiot.
Sam, you went too far that way.
You know, I know you were being hyperbolic when you said that stuff.
tim pool
I I tried walking.
ian crossland
It's like he would have cared if Hunter had kids in his basement.
Of course he would.
tim pool
I disagree.
hannah claire brimelow
Hyperbolic is like exaggerating something to prove a point, whereas
like that was a really strange thing to just state.
Like I don't think that qualifies as hyperbole because I think he's being
ian crossland
honest. What was happening is he said I wouldn't have cared if Hunter had
dead children in his basement.
I would not have cared in brackets as much or I wouldn't have cared.
tim pool
I think it's simpler than that.
ian crossland
In brackets.
tim pool
I see what you're saying, but I think it's simpler.
I think it's, you mentioned he's got a group of people he's trying to pander to.
He's doing this public interview.
He wants them to hear it, whoever they are.
And so he has to keep one-upping his position.
He has to be bigger, stronger, better.
And in this line of thinking, it's Trump is bad.
We must stop Trump by any means necessary.
In order to pander to those people, he has to constantly expand upon his position.
Now he's at the point where he's like, dead kids don't care, huh?
Just gotta stop Trump.
He's an ass toy.
ian crossland
It's kind of like how incrementally the Nazis started.
First they didn't like Jews, then they started taking their businesses away, then they started shipping them out, then they started shipping them to camps, then they started killing them.
Like how it incrementally got worse and worse.
So same with Sam's mind seems to have incrementally, according to what you're saying, is getting more crazy.
tim pool
Now, imagine people in politics or the FBI doing that, and this is the story we have.
The FBI going like, well, we can't go after Hunter.
Oh, but Donald Trump, he had documents, even though he has, you know, like unilateral declassification powers.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
You said something.
james lindsay
Did you see the thing that they put out that huge list of items?
And one of the things that was contraband was a, was a, I guess, an illegal cocktail napkin from the White House.
unidentified
They had a cocktail napkin.
hannah claire brimelow
Didn't that Clintons like move furniture out of the White House?
Like this was like one of the famous things they had to return stuff to the residents.
They had moved stuff out.
james lindsay
I don't know.
We're not supposed to know anything about Hillary Clinton.
Nobody knows anything about Hillary Clinton.
tim pool
I want to get your thoughts on this, James.
We have this story from Fox 5 Atlanta.
Marjorie Taylor Greene was victim of swatting at Rome residence.
Police confirm.
So this is a terrifying story.
It is.
A bunch of outlets have reported this is a prank.
A swatting, for those that aren't familiar, I think most of you are, but just in case, is when someone calls the police and says there's a violent crime currently taking place so that a SWAT team shows up to your house and potentially kills you.
People have died from this.
And it's horrifying.
I can't imagine.
There's a story about this guy.
Cops surround his house.
He has no idea what's going on.
He comes out armed.
The cops shoot and kill him.
Imagine, first of all, that guy being the victim, having no idea why the cops are at your house.
Then think about, you know, I'm not saying it's worse, but that cop, who was told there's a guy who had to murder his wife or
something we need you to save her life and he shows up and he's like i gotta stop this guy and
then it turns out someone tricked you into killing an innocent man talk about the nightmare
scenario that swatting is and they went after marjorie taylor green's house this is uh it was
look i'm gonna it was a trans activist The reporting was, they told the police that the reason they did it was because they oppose her position on trans kids.
Because Marjorie Taylor Greene recently introduced a bill that would make it a felony to give transgender surgery or medication to children.
So I'm curious too, James, because you talk about revolution and where we're at.
Where does this fit in with, you know, their power grabs, the power structures?
Like, what is this?
james lindsay
Okay, so just to mention, by the way, the last time I actually talked to Marjorie like a month ago, and this is exactly the subject, not swatting, but trans activism and the surgeries and everything to the children, is exactly what we talked about.
So it's kind of funny.
I like Marjorie.
So what's going on here is kind of an unbridled demonstration of being willing to step outside of the boundaries, the normal boundaries of society, in order to get your way.
So Marjorie Taylor Greene proposes a bill.
This is the way that we do things.
If the bill passes, the bill passes.
There are lots of bills that pass that people like or don't like on either side, and that's just the name of the game.
Maybe it doesn't pass, maybe whatever.
But the idea that you're now going in to do this act of intimidation Outright terror.
sends this huge signal.
tim pool
Outright terror.
Outright terror.
Literal definition of it.
james lindsay
There's a few things, there are some things, but there are a few things scarier than the idea,
like you said, of armed, angry police officers thinking something is going on
that requires desperate measures, surrounding your house or whatever at 1 a.m.
and right in the middle of the night, you're asleep, you don't know what's going on,
and all of a sudden this is happening.
And so what this is, it's just another escalation in the kind of pattern of intimidation that we're seeing.
You know, what were they doing outside the Supreme Court justices' houses?
They were protesting, but then Judge Kavanaugh has a credible threat to his life involved with this.
And what do you have?
Well, it turns out, funny enough, you mentioned trans activists.
The exact same trans activist who got me kicked off of Twitter, the exact same one, Alejandra Caraballo.
Advocated for more of the intimidation tactics, intimidating of the Supreme Court justices, even in this environment.
The exact same one.
So what you have is people who are stepping outside of the frame of society.
They're breaking the detente of society to get their way, and they feel perfectly entitled to be able to do it because they've got some trumped up idea about, what do you call it, systemic or structural power.
tim pool
While demanding that you stay within the lines.
james lindsay
Oh yeah, absolutely.
That's repressive tolerance again.
Or liberating tolerance, actually.
tim pool
We saw this with the Gravel Institute.
After January 6th, the Gravel Institute tweeted that they supported the action, but not the people.
The people were the wrong ones to do it.
And they deleted the tweet.
People were like, you're saying that you thought that was good.
And they were like, yup.
And then they were like, y'all are crazy.
And then they deleted it.
Like, okay, maybe we shouldn't admit that.
That's the crazy thing.
You have people who are lucid.
They understand what they're doing.
They know how the machine works.
They know why they're claiming you can't do it and while they do it.
But then you have the dumb people who mindlessly march along completely clueless and don't care.
Sam Harris comes off to me like he is...
You know, what's the opposite of sentient?
james lindsay
Sam Harris comes off to me as the fulfillment of the critical theory magnum opus called Dialectic of Enlightenment, to be honest with you.
tim pool
Explain.
james lindsay
So Dialectic of Enlightenment was this book written in 44 and rewritten and published again in 47 by Max Horkheimer and Theodore Adorno, the two kind of principal critical theorists of the era, And what they said is that, you know, you start off with the Enlightenment, you enter into this phase denouncing myth and entering into rationality, but what happens is that through the dialectical process of transformation of Enlightenment, rationality itself becomes its own mythology and you literally enter into this new kind of religious order of rationality that completely divorces you from being genuinely rational.
You're now operating within this myth.
And I read this book and I was like, this is insane.
This is just crazy.
And then I looked at Sam Harris and I was like, oh, okay.
tim pool
So, maybe, what's the opposite of lucid?
james lindsay
Murky?
tim pool
Clouded?
james lindsay
Well, so, the way I see it is, Sam Harris is... Dude, it's almost like looking through cataracts instead of lucid vision.
It's like he's got this fog in front of his eyes.
tim pool
But I don't think that's the right way to describe it.
Hypnosis is a better way to describe it.
james lindsay
Yeah, that's a good way to put it.
tim pool
Because even if your eyes are cloudy, you can be thinking clearly.
Even if your information is bad, you wouldn't say something is insane about dead kids.
He's in a state of like cult hypnosis that has stripped away his individuality, his agency.
And now he's just mindlessly droning along.
There are people like that, but then there are people who are fully aware.
They're breaking the rules and they know it and they don't care.
Like I mentioned, the Gravel Institute.
james lindsay
Oh yeah, totally.
Totally.
So this is something a lot of people don't really fully appreciate about our current moment is that we're actually not dealing with just politics at all.
We're dealing with, it's not even like the soul or the future of America.
We're dealing with two fundamentally different conceptions of what it means to be a human being.
I mean, down to religious roots of what it means to be a person.
And kind of the American answer kind of comes from John Locke, who, in essence, is like, well, none of us are God, so none of us deserve political authority.
So we're going to secure life, liberty, and property so people can think for themselves and disagree amongst one another, because we don't have all the answers.
And so the American system, really, the question is, who deserves political authority?
And Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, these guys meet together, and their answer, James Madison, were like, nobody deserves it, but we'll lend it to you under these
conditions. And that's called a republic.
But the answer, these leftists believe, fundamentally believe, Marxist style leftists
fundamentally believe that they're the only enlightened conscious people on the planet
that understand how stuff's supposed to work. So they not only should have political authority,
they're entitled to political authority. So they get to step outside of the rules because they're
fully entitled to have political authority over everything.
tim pool
You want to read that one?
james lindsay
Yeah, okay. So it's pronounced Gravel.
tim pool
Gravel.
james lindsay
Okay, the Gravel Institute.
When was that?
1-8-21, so January 8th.
tim pool
Two days after January 6th.
james lindsay
Okay, got you.
But if leftists had stormed the Capitol, you'd support it, in scare quotes.
Yes, they are fighting for a good cause.
Fascists are fighting for a very bad cause.
This should not be difficult.
This is the thesis statement of repressive tolerance written right again.
That's exactly the thesis statement.
If we went down to the thesis statement of repressive tolerance in the essay, he says that liberating tolerance can be summarized in basically a single sentence.
And he says that tolerance must be extended to movements from the left and must be withdrawn from movements from the right.
tim pool
Which is exactly why they never seem to complain about the Soviet Union or the culture revolution and these other countries that currently exist that are still communist, but they're always screaming Nazi Germany.
james lindsay
That's right.
That's exactly right.
The fascists.
The fascists.
That's right.
They never recognize that if you actually read Marx's different stages of history where you bail out of capitalism, you have your revolution and you have a dictatorship of the proletariat.
That's the next stage.
That's called socialism.
Socialism is actually a fascist state that is supposed to dialectically unwind to a utopia, which it's not going to do.
tim pool
There's a meme.
And this female journalist, personality leftist tweeted, people often point out how socialism has failed in so many countries.
But if it doesn't work, you don't just give up, you keep trying.
And then someone respond, like, they said, like, like cooking, if you make a mistake, you just start, you know, try again.
And someone responded with like, oops, burn the souffle.
And it's a picture of Yeah, yeah, brutal murder.
james lindsay
Well, I mean, that is actually their idea.
So the idea is, I mean, to get deeper into the philosophy behind it, that you have this thing out floating in the world.
This is Hegel.
Okay, so Hegel precedes Marx.
Marx retools Hegel and makes it material.
Hegel's idea is that there's this literal concept of God called the absolute idea.
So it's the perfected idea, the absolute, you know, platonic form of how everything in the universe should operate.
It's the deity.
But we don't have access to that, so it splits into two sides, the theoretical idea and the practical idea.
The theoretical idea is our idea about it, our guess about it, our theory, or how we think the world's supposed to work.
The practical idea is how it actually gets implemented, usually through the state.
By the way, he said that the state is the divine idea as it exists on Earth.
tim pool
And this is just to help you understand if you ever see the left start gloating about Praxis.
james lindsay
Yes, that's right.
And so the idea of praxis is supposed to bring theory and practice together again.
So the theoretical idea and practical idea are supposed to come together, which reinstitutes the absolute.
So the idea is that when you put the Soviet Union into practice, and 30-something, 40-something million people die, what you were doing is you were exposing the contradiction between the theoretical and the practical.
So what you're actually doing is learning more about why it didn't work this time, And so you thank those people, or in Hegel's words, I mean
literally, this is a quote from Hegel, history uses people and then discards them. So they
were discarded on the altar of the god of history, sacrificed to the god of history so
that history can move to its perfected endpoint. You should watch Full Metal Alchemist.
Have you ever watched it?
No, I know what it is.
I've seen like some parts of it, but I haven't actually watched all the way through, but I'm sure that this is going to relate because what Hegel was was a Hermeticist, which is an alchemist.
tim pool
There's two anime, is it animes, that I recommend, or manga, Attack on Titan and Fullmetal Alchemist, because they directly deal, so Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, which is the actual, it follows the manga, And I know a lot of people out there, they might not be fans of any of this stuff, graphic novels or whatever, but seriously consider this because what it deals with is powerful elites who want to sacrifice the people for more power.
That's Full Metal Alchemist.
I don't want to spoil it if you're going to check it out, but it very much deals with this, how the population throughout history are sacrificed for more and more power.
And then Attack on Titan.
It's funny, someone posted a meme of Jordan Peterson saying you should watch Attack on Titan.
And it's not real, but if you're a fan of Jordan Peterson and you watch that show, you're gonna be like, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually did say it, because it deals with privilege and historical racism and all of that stuff in those shows.
So they're very, very interesting.
But anyway, I digress.
james lindsay
Believe it or not, I actually know a manga, and that's Death Note.
I actually know a lot.
tim pool
Oh, amazing, amazing.
james lindsay
That one's cool.
unidentified
That's so good.
james lindsay
That's really cool.
ian crossland
You know, I got questions about this.
Marcuse is the guy who wrote... Marcuse, yeah.
Marcuse, and this is the 60s.
What was the name of the paper again?
james lindsay
Repressive tolerance.
ian crossland
So they're saying that leftists should be tolerated, violence from leftists should be tolerated, but from the right, not even the thought should enter their mind.
tim pool
Why?
ian crossland
That sounds out of balance.
Without a balanced right and left to function together, I would think that the system would fail.
james lindsay
Why?
Yeah, because they believe that what happens is that the system is inherently corrupt, and the system is inherently designed to reproduce itself.
And only the true leftist understands how to break free of what they called, literally, they called this the problem of reproduction.
so that society reproduces itself by all of its means and mechanisms. So only that which steps
out of the mechanisms of reproduction is to be condoned. So anything else on the right,
what you're doing is, you have an oppressive society, a repressive society, a harmful society,
a racist society, a sexist society, a classist society, and if you don't reject that utterly,
in fact, he called it the Great Refusal, Marcuse did, if you don't reject that utterly and step
completely outside of it. All you're doing is becoming complicit.
Doesn't this sound familiar to the world we live in today?
You're becoming complicit in those harms and keeping those harms going.
So in some sense, you bear moral responsibility for every act of racism that comes up later in life, in the world, for every act of, you know, capitalist exploitation or whatever that happens.
Later in the world, if you don't completely refuse the system, then you're complicit in that.
So they don't want balance.
They think that balance is a form of compromise that keeps oppression alive.
So you have to have a complete, he calls it again, the great refusal of the entire terms of the existing society.
And the question is, how do you solve the problem of reproduction?
And the answer that they gave was relentless criticism, problematization of everything, quite literally.
Marcuse says that it must be relentless negative thinking, and that negative thinking will become positive by actually freeing up the ideal society that is contained within the existing corrupt form.
And we go back to the alchemy.
This is alchemy.
A lot of people don't know what the religion of alchemy is about, but it is a religion,
by the way. It's a very old, many thousands of years old, religious view, and it's that when
in the act of creation, God co-creates himself and the universe, okay, the exact same instant
of creation, but he makes himself in the universe.
So every single thing, whether it's his pen or, you know, whatever, me, you, the crystal balls, whatever it is on the table, there's some aspect of the divine contained within that, but it's in its mundane form.
And so what you have to do is use the magical spells of alchemy to break open the mundane form of the thing so that the divine form can come out.
Lead is a mundane metal, so you have to do the magic spells, break open the nature of lead at a
metaphysical level, and then the seed of gold inside will transform the entire lump of metal
into gold, which is the divine metal. Death is the mundane form of existence, so you have to
break open and make the elixir of life that will break open the death and turn it into life,
which is divine. And the same thing is being expressed by Marcuse in these essays that he's
writing, especially Repressive Tolerance here, is that if you break open the form of society,
then what can happen is that the ideal divine version of it, heaven, or as Henry Drew,
I mentioned earlier, put it, the kingdom of God, As it exists on Earth, can emerge from the oppressive forms that are trapping it and holding it back.
Do they acknowledge that when you break open a society, it can also, you know, immolate or... I mean, they should listen to Gandalf talking to Saruman, because he's like, whoever breaks a thing to see how it works has left the path of wisdom.
That's... No, that's the problem, is they think that the world is intrinsically bad, right?
So this turns out not to necessarily be the Hermetic side.
If we go back to Hegel, what did he do?
He combined Hermeticism with another old religion called Gnosticism, an old mystery religion.
The Gnostics believe that being itself, we've been cast into a prison by the character in Genesis that gets called God, but he's actually the demiurge.
He's actually a demon.
And so he's not the real supreme being behind the scenes.
And so the whole of being is a prison where you don't get to be who you want.
You have to grow up.
You have a body you didn't ask for.
So maybe you have to transition.
Maybe it shackles you to having babies.
And so, you know, you have to be able to have infinite abortion.
You have to be able to transform your body.
This view that your very existence and existence itself is a prison and the form of society is a prison is the mindset that they're in.
So there's no balance.
And if all you do is burn down the prison, that's still better.
I've been leaving people in it.
tim pool
This is fascinating.
I want to say, though, they're wrong.
james lindsay
Of course, they're wrong.
tim pool
Life is a gift.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
Body is a is we've been like, I look at it this way.
I saw a meme earlier and it was it was God and the devil and they were arm wrestling.
And it was some political cartoon.
It said only a fool would create his own enemy.
And then I responded with like, when we program video games, we make the villains on purpose.
Like your argument is, you know, childish.
But this idea of, you know, your body being a prison or whatever... When we play video games, you play a character which has limits.
It's enjoyable.
It is done on purpose for something we want to do.
You know?
You get a character, the character's weak, you make it strong, or you start... Like, how many women played Mario?
It's like, oh, neither a guy.
It's like, they don't complain that Mario can't turn into a woman or be a different character.
It's like, you play the game, you enjoy it.
Life is a gift.
It's not particularly long, but it's long enough in a lot of ways, and you get to experience this slice of existence, and that's unique, and that's magical.
james lindsay
Speaking of video games, sorry, I'll give you a second.
You ever play, like, so, believe it or not, I know last time I was here I was like, don't play video games.
But, believe it or not, I used to play video games.
And I played, I got really into, at one point, this Final Fantasy series.
And I was playing Final Fantasy X, which is that legendary, kind of, you know, epic story.
Everybody gets all excited about it.
And it turns out that the game is set up so that you can actually, you know, get these crystals, or whatever they are, and just keep making your character stronger and stronger and stronger.
And it turns out I was playing on my brother's account, or whatever, and he left.
He went out to San Diego for three weeks.
And I'm just playing, and I'm bored, like, just chilling every night playing the game.
And I made these characters, like, super strong.
So even, like, the little sissy, you know, weak magic users or whatever, they're not supposed to be able to hit with their stick very hard.
It would hit and it would be like all nines and kill everything in one hit.
And it's like he came back and he was like, what the heck?
The game's not even fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
james lindsay
So when you go God mode in a game, it's not even fun anymore.
tim pool
Exactly.
james lindsay
It takes everything away from it.
And so, yeah, this idea that the body is a prison completely misses the, uh, the give and take of reality and of life that makes life interesting and worth living.
It's a really a sad and miserable existence.
And I do have tremendous pity for people that are sucked into this kind of way of thinking.
Um, but ultimately I think this is where that the drive comes from.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story because, again, this all really comes together in interesting ways.
From post-millennial, Biden to cancel up to $10,000 in student loan debt, extend payment pause until December.
And there's also going to be a $20,000 forgiveness, which I believe is additional if you receive the Pell Grant.
They say, in addition, Pell Grant recipients will see up to 20,000 of their debt cancelled.
I read somewhere that it was actually in addition to, but I could be wrong.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think it's 10 on top of 10 is what I learned.
tim pool
Is that what it was?
Someone wrote it was 20 on top of 10 and they may have been mistaken.
It was like a mainstream publication or something.
But anyway, this ain't it.
They're not actually solving the problem of student loan debt.
The predatory loan system will still exist.
All he's basically doing is giving a tiny bribe to people to vote for him.
But I think the bigger issue here that I'm interested to hear your thoughts on, James, is universities, these schools.
They are subsidized indoctrination machines.
And now, people are getting a freebie.
So it's like, they're continually subsidizing in more and more ways.
They want it to be free.
Well, of course they want it to be free.
Anybody who's sharing a cult religion wants you to come and experience it.
And if it costs money to support, they want someone else to pay for it so they can keep funneling people in without hindering themselves, right?
So I'm curious what you think about all this.
james lindsay
No, I mean, so this is, I mean, there's a whole thing we could get into if you want to about how universities back themselves or painted themselves into this financial corner they're in.
But with the students, let me just, like, take one step back and we'll come back into focus because it's going to hit both of the things we were just talking about or all of the things we've been talking about.
The agenda behind much of leftist activism, if you read Marcuse, Marcuse says in another essay, it's called the Essay on Liberation of 1969, the first chapter of that, it's an essay, but it's like 170 pages long.
So it's, back in the day, kids, we wrote real essays.
They weren't like, you know, 500 words.
Sorry, op-eds.
No, it's 170 pages.
The first chapter of his Essay on Liberation is a biological foundation for socialism.
And what he explains is that if you want to get socialism, you have to change the level of people's vital needs.
You have to change people in terms of what they need.
Now, he has a footnote that says, I don't literally mean biology.
So he's not literally advocating for eugenics.
And every time he uses the word biological, it has quotes around it.
So he means something different by it.
And what I finally figured out was what he means by it is that you don't know how to live life without getting your way.
In other words, psychopathology.
Literally the definition of psychopathology.
It interferes with your ability to engage in daily life.
So every bit of leftist activism that's followed off of Marcuse, which is basically all of this radical left since the 1960s, has at the bottom the goal to create the activists who are going to Not be able to figure out how to live their life without getting the policy change that they demand.
So in this case, you give all these kids crazy amounts of student debt, and what do they do?
They become agitators for student loan forgiveness, and eventually free college, because they want to have the free indoctrination program.
And so hand in glove, the colleges become the indoctrination centers, or actually the programming centers.
They're more like Maoist thought reform prisons than they are like indoctrination.
So you turn it into a thought reform prison and you get kids to demand that it be free because you put them in financial dire straits.
Now with the trans issues, the same thing.
Because what happens if you transition a child?
Put them on puberty blockers.
unidentified
Sterilize them.
james lindsay
You cut them up.
Sterilize them, but what else?
Do you know how expensive, you know how many drugs and how much medical care they have?
hannah claire brimelow
And you have to take them for an extremely long time.
james lindsay
For like the rest of your life.
So what are those people going to advocate for at a policy level?
Uh oh!
Socialized medicine!
Because the medicine's so expensive and the system broke them and it's so expensive.
So what you're doing, history uses people and then discards them.
Sorry trans activists, that's what you're doing.
You're using these poor kids and you're going to discard them.
uses people and then discards them to get their policy agendas in place.
And in this case, you're going to create an army of people, among other things, they're
politically moldable, etc.
But you also are going to create an army of people who are going to advocate vigorously
for the rest of their lives for socialized medicine.
Just like these kids in college.
tim pool
What's worrying to me about this is we talked about the detransitioner subreddit, where
you have nearly 40,000 people and constant posts from people about how they're becoming
suicidal because they were rushed in as and didn't want to do it.
james lindsay
Yeah, no kidding.
tim pool
My whole response to the whole thing is like, whether someone is trans or someone is not trans and being pressured, we better slow that thing down before people start taking their own lives.
james lindsay
That's the last thing we want.
You know one of the main reasons that they're doing, there are a few, but one of the main reasons that they're pushing it so hard is because they need that army of broken people who are going to be pharmaceutical patients for the rest of their life, who are going to have expensive medical treatments, who are going to ask for and beg for socialist medicine.
tim pool
I kind of feel that's a bit of a stretch.
I think there's a lot of factors at play.
There's industry standards.
james lindsay
There are.
tim pool
There's money to be made.
james lindsay
There's money to be made.
There's money to be made in the short term too, in the long term as well.
tim pool
But I think a lot of these people, like if you look at the mothers who bring their kids to these shows, it's like you've got Munchhausen by proxy.
But then you have parents who are genuinely confused and don't know and think they're doing the right thing.
Sure, of course, of course.
I think you'll find with most circumstances you have normal people being pulled in a direction.
james lindsay
Yes.
tim pool
And it's a much smaller faction that are probably nefarious.
james lindsay
No, that's exactly right.
As a matter of fact, the vast majority of, say, the so-called parents of trans kids, and I say that so-called because I don't believe such things as trans kids exist, there are people who've been pulled into this, as you were suggesting.
But the parents, a lot of them were like... I gotta stop you there.
tim pool
I think that's factually incorrect.
We talked about... There's an article from a PhD professor who talks about endocrine disruptors and hormone disruptors, which masculinized the brains of female fetuses and then resulted in trans kids.
james lindsay
How often is that?
So maybe they do exist?
tim pool
Right.
james lindsay
1 in 10,000?
1 in 20,000?
tim pool
Sure, sure.
I'm not saying it's 1 in 10.
I'm just saying, you know, for you to say you don't think they do exist, I think we've... I'll walk back to they're very rare.
Very rare I agree with, and I think the challenge is we have a system right now that doesn't discern between social and the actual... Oh no, they're not even going to try.
unidentified
They're not even going to try.
tim pool
Rushing kids into medical treatment which is going to permanently alter, and for many of these kids we're clearly seeing now at the detransition subreddit, ruin their lives.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
Big mistake.
james lindsay
Because you dangle out, you tell them you have this huge problem, there's no real good solution to it, you're probably going to commit suicide if you don't get resolution to it, here's this treatment, here's this one path out, by the way this is how they did Maoist thought reform, is they put people under outstanding psychological pressure with a limited set of choices for how to escape that pressure.
And then they go into that, and then what happens is they get four or five years in,
and then whoop, the rug's been pulled out from under them.
They don't have any options to get out anymore.
The underlying problem never got treated.
tim pool
My question is, how much of this is an emergent phenomenon versus a directed phenomenon?
james lindsay
Oh yeah, well, lots of money goes into it, so there's some directedness to it.
Some of it, though, this is what I was starting to say, a lot of these poor moms were kids in the 90s, right?
And we all grew up, if we grew up in the 90s, we all grew up with this kind of like boogeyman of, it was real, but there's this, you know, character that was really heavily portrayed as the, you know, the evil, angry, there's almost always an angry dad who disowns their kids for being gay, right?
And everybody's like, oh, that guy's terrible.
So you have a whole bunch of people who grew up in the 90s who had this character as like the big evil guy to think of.
Then they grow up and they're adults now and they have their children.
So what are they going to be?
Hyper-inclusive as like an overreaction.
Then you add in the Munchausen's by proxy, which is where, you know,
people don't know what Munchausen's by proxy is, I know you guys do,
but it's where you poison your kid so that they're like sick
and then you pick up the pity points, like, oh my poor child.
tim pool
So for people who aren't familiar, Munchausen's is when you feign being sick for attention
and by proxy is when you feign someone else being sick for attention.
james lindsay
Yeah, often they did like drip feed their kid's poison and say, you know, Sally's so sick, oh my gosh.
tim pool
It's like Sixth Sense, the mom was poisoning the daughter
and then going, my daughter's so sick.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then they killed the daughter in that movie.
But this is a really important point too that I think argues for a potential emergent phenomenon
that we're seeing.
I've talked about this.
james lindsay
I said- Yeah, the boogeyman's grown up.
tim pool
When I was little, we had all these signs everywhere about how racism was bad.
And so all of these millennial kids around me grow up being told about how awful racism is.
They have been trained to combat racism.
The only problem is we've enacted a bunch of policies doing away with the institutional problems.
I'm not saying it's perfect.
I'm not saying it's done.
I'm just saying for the most part, things are pretty good.
You know, like things have improved dramatically.
And now you have these people who grew up on this seeking it out, but they can't find it.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
So I refer to it as an autoimmune disorder.
james lindsay
Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
Now, it's not really a question as to whether or not there are people who are taking advantage of this for, and these would be nefarious people, I just think they're relatively small in number, who are pushing this, usually with a lot of money behind it, for whatever other ends they have.
And if we might quote from the great philosophical epic, I guess legend of Game of Thrones chaos is a ladder and they know that causing these points of damage creates opportunity.
Now I don't think there's terribly many of those people, relatively speaking.
The proportion of them might be as small as one or two percent, which by the way matches the proportion of psychopaths in the underlying population.
tim pool
I met, I knew a bunch of people from Occupy Wall Street.
I was down there for a while.
And what I was told by some of the organizers, people with access to the resources who knew what was going on, had plans and were controlling what was going on, they said, we want to flip the pyramid over.
Sounds good, right?
The pyramid, right?
You got the elites on top, you got the bourgeoisie, you got the proletariat.
So it sounds like, to the uneducated, to the unlearned, oh, you want to put the working people on top to give them control, right?
That's what socialism wants.
Well, I'm not one of those people.
I responded with, if you flip a pyramid over, it's going to topple into a pile of bricks.
And then there's only going to be one or two of the working class people on top.
And they're like, right, that'll be us.
james lindsay
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
They were not saying.
james lindsay
That's an entitlement.
tim pool
All of the poor people will be on the top and all of the evil owners will be on the bottom.
They were saying, once we flip it over, it resettles into a new pyramid with us on top.
james lindsay
That's right.
That's right.
Exactly.
And that's that entitlement we were talking about previously.
And of course, that attracts psychopaths because they know that there's a gigantic opportunity there and they can create that chaos to flip the pyramid over and arrange things so that they end up on top of that pile.
You know, I describe it, monopolization of power, centralization of power is bad.
you know, this new paradise society, in fact, made a very, very, very small, like,
hyper feudal society with a very small number of lords in the Communist Party.
tim pool
You know, I describe it, monopolization of power, centralization of power is bad.
We have antitrust laws because we're like, this company got too big. Okay. Communism,
socialism, and any kind of authoritarian government system skips the process by
which power coalesces and just instantly snaps it all right to the center.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay, that's not good.
That creates problems.
james lindsay
And it turns out that the people it puts in charge are people who are good at accumulating power.
They're not people who know how to do anything.
Just people who are good at accumulating power and maintaining power.
Like I learned recently, I was talking with a woman from, she grew up in the Soviet Union, and her family was fortunate enough to survive, and it fell, and then they came to America in the 90s.
And she was saying, do you know why they made us wait in breadlines?
It wasn't because, they could have set up more breadlines.
It's like literally nobody had anything to do.
It wasn't that.
It was that if you waited four or five to six hours in line for your ability to eat dinner that night, you weren't doing anything else.
tim pool
Right.
james lindsay
You couldn't go do something else.
tim pool
I saw a really interesting meme.
Someone posted about, I can't remember where I saw it, they posted about how when they were younger and in school, The teacher, they were learning a history lesson, and the teacher all of a sudden snapped at one of the students and accused them of breaking some rule they clearly did not break.
Like, you are speaking loudly, go to the principal's office.
And then when the student was like, no I wasn't, the teacher said, does anybody else want to back him up?
Anybody else want to put their name in that and go to the principal's office with him, defend him?
And none of the kids said anything.
And she goes, okay, pack your things, go.
james lindsay
See, that's what I say.
tim pool
But as soon as he left, she said, I know he didn't do anything wrong, but none of you would actually call out the fact because the authority told you and you were scared.
james lindsay
I'm glad that you made that point because that's why they say that the first person to stand up is, I mean, it does take courage, but they're not the one who has the most courage.
It's the second person who stands up because they know what they're in for that takes the most courage.
And then once you get over that hump, the third person that takes less, the fourth person that takes less and on and on and on.
And that's how, that's how courage actually works.
hannah claire brimelow
In a lot of ways, that's how I feel about Marjorie Taylor Greene.
I feel like she's a target for the Swattings because she is the one introducing legislation.
Like, she wants to declare James Revenge and Ruth Sent Us, which docks the addresses of the Supreme Court justices.
She wants to have them declared a terrorist organization.
This bill is not likely to pass.
She does have co-sponsors, but it takes the people who are starting to make this part of their central platform.
She is very brave, but we need more people to follow suit, and that takes a tremendous amount of courage.
tim pool
I don't think you can, in the United States, declare an organization a terrorist organization.
hannah claire brimelow
She has a bill in Congress for it.
tim pool
But I just think ultimately it just fails because it's a First Amendment issue.
You can charge someone with terroristic acts, specific things, which is what you would need to do.
So she would need to file, what is it, a referral to the DOJ on these people for the crimes committed.
However, kind of pointless because the DOJ knows they're doing these things.
I'll mention this too.
There are similarities to what happened to Marjorie Taylor Greene and what happened to us.
There are some similarities.
I'm not going to get into security because there's an active investigation in multiple jurisdictions.
But it was the day after Marjorie Taylor Greene was here that we got swatted the first time.
These people have not been brought to justice, but there are, as I mentioned, multiple jurisdictions looking into it.
I've given several statements and evidence, so it may be moving forward.
But we're going on now seven and a half months.
It was January 6th when we got swatted.
Now, it seems like it may be the same person, or a similar entity, going after Marjorie Taylor Greene.
Where is the DOJ?
Are they unable?
Because if they're unable, then we've got a very serious stability problem in this country if people can keep doing this.
james lindsay
Yeah.
And people know that this is how this works.
The people that game the system that you were talking about, they know how to game the system.
They know that the system can drag things out, that they can drag their feet on whatever.
And they can create that repressive situation where one side's strongly favored versus the other by dragging it out when it's one side and not dragging it out, acting quickly when it's the other side.
tim pool
The FBI would not investigate Hunter Biden, but they're jumping at the chance to go raid Trump's house.
james lindsay
Yeah, exactly.
That's what I'm talking about.
That's exactly right.
tim pool
And right before the midterm, too.
We're not going to interfere in an election!
Oh, the midterm's coming up?
Raid Trump.
james lindsay
Yep, exactly.
tim pool
Amazing.
And now there's a lot of fears.
There's been talk about whether or not Trump would be willing to announce his run right before because of what will happen with the Republican Party and the fact that he's been raided by the FBI.
Will it make him look bad?
And now there's questions being raised.
I think Trump should just announce.
I think we saw from the elections the other day that the GOP desperately needs Trump to be actively involved, and Trump should not wait.
He should just come out and be like, yo, we're gonna run, and we're gonna start endorsing people.
I mean, he's been endorsing people, and his record is— I'll say this.
In 2018, Trump's endorsements were like 50-something percent.
In 2020, it was 70-something percent.
So far right now, Trump's at like 99, I think, is it like 99% success?
It's over 90.
I think it's 99.
And so the suggestion is Republicans lost in 2018.
Republicans made massive gains upsetting what was projected in 2020.
And with Trump's endorsements this successful, people are thinking that's an indicator that Republicans are going to win.
But we'll see, man.
The Democrats, there was a swing district, New York 19, Hmm.
I think in some ways that's what the student loan debt reminds me of.
Democrat won.
Hmm.
So I don't I don't you know people mentioned Myra Flores in Texas is like, oh, red waves
coming because a Republican won a Democrat district.
And I'm like, dude, the whole thing's flipped over on its head.
We don't know what's going to happen.
hannah claire brimelow
I think in some ways that's what the student loan debt reminds me of.
Like, this is a bid from Biden's administration to be like, remember, Democrats are good.
The Democrats give you things before midterms and it's just not quite as successful as they want to be.
I would think, and I'm not an expert in this, that if you really wanted to address the student loan debt problem, you'd make it easier to declare bankruptcy on student loans because it's almost impossible right now.
And that is trapping people in debt that you wouldn't carry except for the fact that you are told you have to go to college to advance to get a better career.
It saddles them with debt immediately while pushing them down a path that is not giving them any financial success.
tim pool
I think we should forgive interest on all the loans and apply any interest payments made directly to the principal.
But you gotta pay back the principal.
james lindsay
That's probably right.
tim pool
You got money, you gotta pay it.
The system itself is predatory.
And the first thing you gotta do, here's step one.
Here's the solution to the student debt crisis for all the left and the right fans out there.
First, end the loan system.
It's clearly predatory.
All the left clearly agrees, right?
They tricked you into getting these loans.
They're too expensive.
You can't pay them back.
All right, end it.
Now, for everybody's holding debt, interest payments, done.
No more interest.
Any payment you've made, that interest will be credited towards the principal.
You gotta pay back what you were given, but not the interest.
This is the best part.
People get their student loan forgiveness.
If you got money, you gotta pay it back.
Now, if you paid more in interest than you borrowed, we apply that as a tax credit on your taxes for this year, and it rolls over until gone.
So if you paid $10,000 in interest beyond the principal, then this year, that $10,000 goes towards what you would have paid in taxes.
So it's a big win for all of these student debt forgiveness people, right?
But if you were given $5,000 and you bought cheeseburgers and beer with it, And then you paid back half, we'll forgive the interest, and if there's still a thousand bucks left over, you got to pay that principal.
But the first thing, ending the system of loans seriously hinders the educational institutions, puts a big slowdown on that, and will help restore to only the people who truly can and want to go to college do If you want to get a private loan, you know, from a bank or something to go to college, that's fine, you can do that.
But the way it's set up right now with these federalized loans and grants and things, no, no, no, get rid of all that.
james lindsay
I mean, the academic institutions are, I'm sure we're all fine with this, but they're not going to come out well from this.
And the reason that these loans are the way that they are is because the academic institutions got walked, not just the students get walked down a primrose path if you have to go to college, if you want to get a good job, the institutions themselves did too.
When the federal underwriting of student loans came in in the 90s, They saw this gigantic opportunity to compete for students
that they didn't have before.
And this is when you saw this massive shift towards student services take place in the
universities.
So they're building rec centers, they're building bowling alleys, they're building movie theaters,
they're building fancy new dorms.
My dorm was literally designed by a prison designer and it was like 50 rooms for one
bathroom.
We all shared a shower when the janitors got mad because one guy went to the bathroom in
the heater in the bathroom so he got pissed and he took away all of our shower curtains
so we all just had to shower like crazy.
Here we are.
It was like, that was back in the day, man.
Things were different back in the day.
So they started building all these cool new dorms and all this other stuff, and they got massively, massively in debt.
Hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgage debt.
And so these, the strings, we're talking about the loans being given to the students, but there's massive loans that were given to the institutions too.
And then they were using the loans being given to the students to try to pay off those debts themselves.
Now what is happening?
The same financial institutions are playing this ESG game.
The social part of ESG, that's Environmental Social Governance, that's the S. And the governance is that you have to have the right people in places of power and offices and say diversity deans and things like that.
If you want to have a good score to have your finances managed by these exact same financial institutions, Then what do you have to do?
The same ones, by the way, you were going after with Occupy that were too big to fail.
Turns out they learned that they were too big to fail and could do whatever they wanted because they got bailed out.
Well, what are they doing?
They're now saddling these universities with insane administrative bloat.
So they can't possibly pay their debts either.
So what we're seeing is a recreation of the company town.
But the financial industry is the company and basically every large institution is the town and then people that are taking these student loans are just getting roped in for it.
tim pool
I feel like the end result to all of this is not going to be what these woke people think.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Obviously not.
It's an absurd concept.
But the end result is these big institutions that they're bloating are just going to crumble in on themselves.
james lindsay
They have to, in the end.
And, you know, what would you do if you had, say, this huge institution like the entire financial system of the world that's likely to collapse in on itself?
And it's leveraging everybody's pension funds to be able to do it.
They can't.
So those are all going to be what's going to collapse.
What would you work like hell to put in place if you could before the big collapse comes?
Why not a gigantic social control system like surveillance and social credit systems and
all of this to protect yourself so that you don't end up like swinging from a lamppost
when everybody's really, really, really mad that you wrecked the whole world's economy?
tim pool
They can't.
It won't work.
james lindsay
Yeah, it's not going to work.
tim pool
I pointed out how so much of our information is digital right now, that if the power went out, we would instantly lose access to all of these databases.
james lindsay
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
It's so fragile.
tim pool
You had a bookshelf, power went out, you had books.
There was a funny meme where some guy was like, the future is lame.
My book just ran out of batteries.
james lindsay
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Like I was on a plane and my book ran out of batteries.
What am I supposed to do?
Yup.
james lindsay
I mean, that's the end of space balls, right?
Even in the future, nothing works.
tim pool
Yeah.
james lindsay
That's the line when the self-destruct cancellation button doesn't work.
tim pool
It's convenient that my phone grants me the summation, uh, grants me access to the summation of human knowledge.
But, uh, when the battery dies, I got a brick.
james lindsay
Actually, have you heard about this idea that we're going to enter a new, historically speaking, not for us in the moment, we're not going to live through a dark age, but historically speaking, this is going to be a huge dark age because everything's digital, right?
So the thing I saw about it was like, well, if you write on a clay tablet, right?
If you scratch or, you know, cuneiform or whatever it is on a clay tablet, 5,000 years later, if it didn't break, you can still read it, right?
Well, if you put something on like a DVD, which is far better storage than say a thumb drive, which if like two drops of water hit it, all your data is gone.
You put something on like a physical medium, like a DVD, you got 10 to 12, 15 years before that thing can degrade enough.
Unless it's one of those really, really expensive ones that most people don't use.
unidentified
Yeah.
james lindsay
So what's going to happen is we have all these records, like Is it wrong?
your Wikipedia entry, which we, my Wikipedia entry, which is a, which is lit.
They're all just ephemeral.
tim pool
Is it wrong?
james lindsay
Well, sometimes it changes a lot.
Um, I think it's a little bit wrong.
Um, at one point though, uh, somebody added that I have gigantic balls made of
brass, and that was a sentence on my Wikipedia for about like four days.
tim pool
And it's wrong because it's titanium.
james lindsay
That's right.
The gigantic part is correct.
The metal part is correct.
They got the metal all wrong.
tim pool
Grass is too soft.
james lindsay
Sorry about that.
And it turns things green.
ian crossland
I thought I was on to something.
tim pool
No, but I was talking about this the other day.
That if we got hit by that solar flare that they've been talking about.
james lindsay
Well, we almost did.
tim pool
Well, you'd walk into a... People would, like, wearing their, you know, leathers with spears and paint on their faces, they'd walk into a Manhattan data center and be like, kids, look.
Knowledge.
It could teach us how to find food, how to generate electricity, but we have no idea how to access any of it.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's gone.
james lindsay
We almost did.
I don't know if you knew that.
It was like 2004 or 5.
We'd have to look up the date.
There was like the solar flare that would have destroyed, yeah, a big CME that would have been like it for our entire grid, right?
And the way, you know, everything's spinning, the sun's spinning, the earth is moving.
It missed by like, if the sun had blown up like 16 hours earlier, it would have been a direct hit and fried earth.
ian crossland
Wow.
james lindsay
And that's how much it missed by.
It went off into space beside the Earth.
The Earth just barely missed it.
tim pool
But you know the U.S.
government's got deep underground bunkers with Faraday cage under Faraday cage and protection from nuclear blasts and all that stuff.
james lindsay
Yeah, all your nudes are definitely in those bunkers that Google's been storing up.
You think I'm joking.
tim pool
Have you played the game Fallout 3?
james lindsay
No.
tim pool
You'd love it.
Fallout 3 is one of the best in the Fallout series, but it's post-apocalyptic and you're in Washington, D.C.
A nuclear war happened and now there's mutants and ghouls.
They're people with radiation sickness and stuff.
It's a real map of D.C.
It's amazing.
But there's the bad guys, or an element of what you could describe as bad guys, the Enclave.
Remnants of the U.S.
government who have technology because they were in bunkers.
And then there's other people who have technology too, but they're like, you know, the remnants of the U.S.
government.
So if there was to be a major EMP, nuclear war, or some kind of apocalypse, whatever, the governments of the world will survive it.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's a shadow government.
I asked Alex Jones what's the difference between the deep state and the shadow government a couple years ago.
Before I learned more about the administrative state actually being the deep state, he was like, the shadow government's in case there's a nuclear war.
They're all ready for it.
james lindsay
That was a good impression.
It wasn't too bad.
Yeah, you got down there.
You got deep.
ian crossland
Oh, thanks.
james lindsay
Yeah, that was pretty good.
hannah claire brimelow
Deep and kind of gravelly.
james lindsay
Yeah, a little gravelly.
ian crossland
Real serious.
james lindsay
Real serious.
ian crossland
Well, the hard drives were evolving to do hard drives made out of glass.
So if there's an EMP, you'll still be able to hit it with a laser and read the data.
And also DNA.
They're storing data in DNA.
hannah claire brimelow
That's terrifying.
tim pool
So there have been weird conspiracies about quartz crystal as data storage or energy storage and stuff like that.
And it's entirely possible that there exists, maybe you're a fan of ancient aliens or whatever, It's possible.
I'm not saying it's likely or even remotely likely, but there could be ancient data storage tech that we just assume is a rock, and we would never know.
If you gave a hard drive to an Amazon tribe with no contact with other civilization, they wouldn't know what it was.
You couldn't even explain to them how the information is on there.
james lindsay
No, not even close.
hannah claire brimelow
I like the idea that in the future men are proposing with rings that actually store all of the most important data that they have, and then they have to trust that this woman is not going to lose it.
That's how strong your bond in marriage has to be.
tim pool
I think where we're headed is that the woke people are going to line up for Neuralink and enter the metaverse, and that's where they're going to be.
And they're going to drag everybody else in.
james lindsay
I mean, that's, I think, the attempt.
There's actually a policy document from the World Economic Forum.
It's their Vision 2025 document that I read the other day.
I read such fun things.
And I'm reading through all of these, you know, different visions, like education and technology and all of this.
And then I'm starting to read, like, comparing against some of the different articles they put out that they cite.
and there's this article that they put out that said that EdTech has failed their vision.
Like they wrote a lot of stuff back in like 16 about how important it was for EdTech to
rise up and do social emotional learning and literally like read kids emotions with like
heart monitors and eye tracking and like all this crazy stuff.
That's happening by the way.
In Florida they're actually doing an experiment in some counties with what they call heart
math.
So while you do your math lesson you're strapped into a heart rate monitor to find out what
stresses you out about the math lesson.
Like, I don't want any company having that data by the way, but I'm reading this thing and it's like, well what we're learning is that you can bring education into the metaverse but not the other way around.
And so the goal will be that school is in the metaverse.
Like, if you want your kid to go to school, they're going to have to slap on a Facebook-owned Oculus and go into the metaverse and, you know, who knows what's going on in there.
And you think you're going to be able to look over your kid's shoulder and see what's happening on the iPad.
No, it's going to be in the metaverse.
They're talking about digital travel in that document, you know, so nobody's going anywhere.
The plebs have to go to meta-Rome.
Only the real rich and famous can go to Rome.
Uh for real, for example.
And so they're actually talking about this though.
The travel industry's way deep into virtual travel.
Could you imagine like signing up for a cruise and really all you do is put you in like a classroom with like a drop ceiling and then you put your goggles on and you pretend you're at sea?
tim pool
Yeah, have you ever seen those?
They have these things you can buy where it's like a body harness and you're standing on a bowl and you put on special shoes and you can actually walk by like The shoes are touch sensitive or whatever so when you walk you're actually walking in the metaverse.
I went to I was at I was at VidCon years ago, six years ago, and they had a big display
where there were two guys up on these things strapped in and they're running full speed,
but they're strapped in a body harness and you could watch what they see.
And they were playing a first person shooter against haptic vests and stuff.
ian crossland
So you can feel yourself getting haptic hands and stuff.
Right now, I think the biggest advances they made is they had a lot of different tech that
doesn't really work together very well to provide a mostly immersive experience.
But that will be a big part of it.
james lindsay
Yeah, they talk about virtual reality and education, but they also like there's another
document that's this paper called Psycho Data put out by actually a critical theorist by
the name of Ben Williamson, 2019 in the Journal of Education Policy.
And he's talking about that the actual point of all this is to harvest the data.
That's the real point.
And that what he argues, like, why are they harvesting the data?
Well, number one, they want to create perfectly forecastable economic conditions and people.
So they want to make you perfect for the market so they can predict exactly how much money
you'll spend and when, and then condition you to make sure that you meet your predictions.
And then secondly is to control populations.
So what it is is a gigantic data harvesting program to make you think you're playing a
video game or sending your kids to school.
And right now they're surveying the kids primarily.
They have to fill out these surveys all the time.
I just, like, school just started back, so all these parents are, like, screenshotting them and sending them to me on social media that's not Twitter.
And they are, it's kind of, like, freaky, the things they're asking these kids.
It's like, have you, you know, do you ever think about racist stuff?
You know, it's like crazy.
How often do you think about suicide?
They're asking kids questions like that.
unidentified
Wow.
james lindsay
Yeah, it's intense.
And then, you know, how much money do your parents make?
There's all these crazy intense survey questions they're asking these kids all the time as a result of the implementation of social emotional learning.
tim pool
It's almost like aliens are here, you know, in secret and they're collecting data and like researching us.
I'm saying almost like I'm not saying it's true.
I'm just saying it feels that way.
It feels like we're being we're like chickens in a chicken coop.
james lindsay
Well, I mean, so my guess is, is if we are looking at kind of a revolutionary moment, is that what if I were, if I were a communist, and I were looking at the situation, I would say, well, in the past, we've attempted to build out the society, right?
The economy, that was the Soviet Union, we built the economy and tried to force people to live in it, and it was a catastrophe.
And then in China, we built the people, we built all the revolutionaries, and this hasn't worked out the way we wanted it to either.
What do you have to do?
You have to build them both at the same time.
So you start harvesting the data while you program the kids and the school, and then you're building the society based on the data you're harvesting from the kids, the economy, the completely controlled and conditioned economy.
And then smack, when the metaverse is ready, everybody's pushed into the perfect simulation economy.
tim pool
Well, you control what people can see and hear and say, and you'll control what their reality is.
People don't know what they don't know.
james lindsay
That's right.
ian crossland
I did a digital tour of one of the great pyramids of Egypt.
You can go inside and go down frame by frame and look around and look at the walls.
And like, I really feel like I was there.
Sometimes I'm like, I was, I, I forget that I wasn't in Egypt when it's, it was immensely awesome.
james lindsay
Yeah, so, I mean, that's immensely awesome, but then imagine what they could do with that.
First of all, how do you even, how would you even know if it's really the real thing, right?
So what if you had gone down, like, halfway down the thing, you probably would have been like, wait a minute, if somebody had, like, spray painted a giant penis on the wall, or something like that.
But they could insert that in, or it could really be there, and then they've deleted it, and you don't know.
but then everybody you know we always talk about the sell the dream side of this wow you know i had this experience i was in egypt i got to experience what it's like to win the superbowl kind of firsthand i get to be on the field i was tom brady it was so amazing they don't ever tell you that they could also just import you into like a torture prison Yep.
They don't ever tell you that part.
tim pool
There's a movie we've talked about before where it's like this,
they invent this thing they put in your eye and it gives you experiences.
So this woman, she like drops it like nanobots go into your brain and then she experiences a
weekend in Aspen and she's skiing and snowboarding and then her partner against her wishes makes
prison nanites.
So, like, you put in someone's eye and they experience a hundred years in jail.
james lindsay
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
tim pool
Five minutes later they wake up like, ugh, all messed up.
james lindsay
Yeah, totally messed up.
Like, I read this book.
It's called Thought Reform in the Psychology of Totalism by Robert J. Lifton.
And he was in Hong Kong in the 1950s.
He published it in 1961.
And what he's doing is he's actually interviewing people as they got out of Mao's prisons in the 50s, literally like a week after they get out of three years in a Maoist communist prison.
And he's interviewing these people, and he says that literally zero people, people were affected differently by the three to five years in prison in the Chinese thought reform prisons or brainwashing prisons, shinao in Chinese as they call them.
And, uh, but everybody was affected.
Everybody came out completely as, I mean, imagine, of course you would, but as a completely different person.
Um, and you could do that digitally.
We don't need gulags if you have digital experience gulags and you can't leave your house because, you know, you don't have enough credits like in Australia when they did the COVID.
And if you left your house, like a freaking drone is following your car or something, you know, there's, this isn't.
Just like hyperbole anymore.
tim pool
You're familiar with the rat experiment?
Which one?
The hope experiment?
james lindsay
No.
Well, maybe.
tim pool
Took three cylinders, put rats in each one, let them swim until they got tired, but within about 15 minutes, the rats gave up, sang to the bottom, and died.
james lindsay
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Then he took another group of rats, he put them in.
Right when they gave up, he grabbed them, took them out, dried them off, and let them rest.
Then picked them back up, put them in.
The second time around, they swam for 60 hours.
Because there was hope.
They believed that if they just stuck to it, they would eventually be saved, and they shouldn't give up.
And so some have made the argument, following the pandemic and all the insane things they did, we're still in it.
We're just in the hope portion.
And this explains why they built permanent facilities in, say, Australia and other places.
Australia's got this, the Howard Springs, I think it's called.
We showed you the shirt earlier when you were over here.
They built permanent facilities.
For what, six months?
hannah claire brimelow
Well, it existed before it was a place for mining.
tim pool
Right, but I mean like, the work that they did organizing these facilities and setting them up, I don't think was just for six months.
unidentified
Yeah.
james lindsay
Yeah, no.
I mean, I wouldn't think so either.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story from Forbes, though.
This is interesting.
California expected to ban new gas-only car sales by 2035.
Terrible headline, Forbes.
What's actually happening is, as of, I think, today, they have implemented the first steps towards banning gas vehicles.
Vehicles will have to be zero emission.
I'm curious.
What do you think this is all about, James?
Is this climate change and we're trying to be better stewards of the earth?
Or is this some kind of communist conspiracy?
james lindsay
All right, there's an easy litmus test to find out if we're being better stewards of the earth.
There's a very easy test.
Are those cars going to be powered by electricity generated by nuclear power or not?
unidentified
No.
james lindsay
Because if the answer is no, we're not being better stewards of the earth.
This is something else.
tim pool
But it does mean they have easier control of your vehicle.
james lindsay
That's right.
Those, those vehicles are, um, in all the cases that I'm aware of, electric vehicles are remote controllable or they can be turned off.
tim pool
Oh, dude.
So we, we, uh, I got, I got a Tesla and there's like a puddle of water and you stand back and on your phone, you can remote control the car with your phone.
And so I'm pressing the button and the car is backing away from the swampy muck.
And then I can get in.
It's amazing.
That doesn't mean someone else can do it.
james lindsay
Yeah, it totally does mean somebody else can do it.
And it probably means that, you know, if he so felt like it, Elon Musk could probably do it.
tim pool
He literally could just do it.
james lindsay
Which means that if, you know, whatever manufacturer, maybe Elon is and maybe isn't, gets in cahoots with our FBI that's acting so well, then you could get in your car and it could just drive you right down to the field office.
tim pool
Or into the ocean, or into a tree.
Maybe you'll get in your car, and then it'll start speeding out of control without your control, 90 miles an hour down Wilshire Boulevard, slam into a tree, because you were a journalist working on a story about a general.
james lindsay
Exactly.
tim pool
I just think it's a funny image of Elon Musk sitting in a room, and then he walks up to a guy, puts his hands on his shoulder, and goes, Execute Order 69.
And then the guy's like, okay.
And then he presses the button, and all the cars turn on and start driving to Tesla HQ.
james lindsay
Yeah, it would actually be that.
It would either be that or it would be 42069.
tim pool
I was going to say, it would be like, execute order 42069.
It would be like, execute order 42069.
unidentified
And the guy's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
We all die.
tim pool
Yeah, so that reference I made earlier, just a moment ago, was actually a real reference.
Michael Isaacs was a journalist.
He complained to a neighbor that he saw someone messing with his car.
Asked to borrow theirs, they said no.
Got in his car, car speeding down Wilshire Boulevard, slams into a tree, explodes, he dies.
james lindsay
That's right, that's right.
tim pool
And he was working on a story, I think it was about, was it about Hayden?
lydia smith
Ooh, I'm not sure.
I gotta look that up now.
tim pool
Yeah, you want to Google that real quick?
james lindsay
I remember that, actually.
That's right.
ian crossland
That wasn't an electric car, though, was it?
tim pool
Nope.
But for the past, I think, you know, 15 or so years, cars have been remote controllable.
This is what people don't understand.
Cars that were not designed to be remote controlled can be remote controlled.
So these car hackers... I watched this thing, you know, we all knew that self-driving cars were coming.
These car hackers took over a car that did not have any remote control or self-driving capabilities because power steering can be manipulated by the computer inside the car.
ian crossland
Michael Hastings was investigating CIA Director John Brennan.
tim pool
Brennan!
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
And then his car went out of control on Wilshire and hit a tree and exploded.
tim pool
At a high rate of speed.
ian crossland
He thought someone was trying to kill him.
It was like 1 a.m.
It was like 1 a.m. He left I think he left the bar and he was driving home and then just so he could have
Been hammered, but you know, he's also getting the head of the CIA. I mean a plausible
james lindsay
Niabilities the hell of a thing, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean so this though. I mean this is absolute
control over over over the population you control of your movement if you're stuck with electric vehicles and
And all of this I am proud that I still drive a car that has like it
I mean it does have power steering but it's it has old-school like it has a key. There's no button
It doesn't even have like a key that like falls or whatever It's like a normal key from the back in the back in the old
ian crossland
old days mechanical locks or are they automatic?
james lindsay
They're automatic, though.
tim pool
But that's what you gotta do.
james lindsay
But it's a standard, it's a stick shift, too.
It's a driver's stick shift.
tim pool
Yeah, if you're prepping, you want a manual, like 1960s car.
No computer components in it at all.
james lindsay
That's what you, yeah.
tim pool
Automatic transmissions, hard to fix.
If, you know, if everything fell apart, you'd be better off with manual.
Learn how to drive stick.
Driving stick is fun.
You know, it depends on if I'm going to, you know what I don't like?
I don't like driving stick when I'm just trying to relax.
It's like, eh, you're making driving a chore.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
I don't like driving stick on hilly roads, like in San Francisco.
tim pool
It's exciting.
ian crossland
I find that fun.
Because when I want to shift into first gear on a hill, I start to roll backwards.
I'm like, I hope someone's giving me 10 feet right now.
james lindsay
They don't.
I'm in East Tennessee.
I'm all over hills.
They don't.
They never do.
ian crossland
You've got about four feet.
So it's like really a rat like hectic when I'm hitting the the clutch to the gas and I'm putting it jerking forward.
tim pool
It's the most annoying thing.
I'm sure it's happened to anybody who's driven stick that you're on a slight hill and then
someone gets right up on you.
And then you're like, dude, I can't release the brake right now.
And so you just sit there and they're honking at you and you're like, you're going to back
up.
I'm going to stick to them.
I'm going to roll backwards.
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's like that scene in Indiana Jones.
It's like, first you throw me the whip.
I can't.
I'm stuck.
tim pool
So the thing about this is a lot of people are pointing out the green movement stuff is just about saving the auto industry.
That the auto industry is such a big component of the US economy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I was reading that, like, most millionaires in the U.S.
are people who own local dealerships.
james lindsay
Oh, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So, I mean, this is huge.
So what do you do?
Gotta make new cars.
But if people have cars and aren't gonna buy a new car, why?
What's the features?
Eh, not good enough.
Now you gotta make them do it.
California is just pumping their economy.
ian crossland
I just tweeted out a thing about Sweden that is building a road that recharges electrical vehicles as they drive over them.
tim pool
Yeah, I was reading about that.
james lindsay
That seems real.
tim pool
Well, it could.
I mean, you're talking about very powerful electromagnets in the street.
ian crossland
Yeah, like a third rail.
Don't walk on it.
tim pool
I mean, what would that be like?
So, I mean, we have wireless charging for our phones, you know?
ian crossland
You'd probably be alright to walk on it.
tim pool
But a massive one?
Are your keys gonna get, like, sucked up or something?
hannah claire brimelow
I think I just won't walk on that road.
It doesn't seem like it's worth the risk to me.
tim pool
Didn't somebody build that solar panel road?
ian crossland
Yeah, I heard about that.
tim pool
It's a terrible idea that makes no sense, but they did it because people are just dumb.
ian crossland
What's the status of solar roads now?
tim pool
Solar road, really bad idea.
ian crossland
Solar roadways was the company that pioneered it, or was one of the most pioneered at the time.
tim pool
They made a YouTube video that made no sense.
Yeah, it got really popular.
It's funny because they're like, we should make our roads solar panels.
It's like, why?
Because the roads are exposed to sunlight.
It's like, okay, why don't you just put the solar panels next to the roads on stands where they're not being run over by cars?
We'll make them more durable, right?
The material won't be, won't have enough, will be too opaque.
And so it will not absorb enough sunlight.
And then they get damaged and scratched and it refracts light and then snow gets on it.
Just make solar panels that can move back and forth and they're next to the road.
You'll save money.
james lindsay
Or build a nuclear plant.
tim pool
Yeah, that too.
Why don't they want to build nuclear plants?
james lindsay
Well, because it's the way out of managed energy scarcity.
Fusion.
Well, fusion would be wonderful, but the claim is that the waste can't be managed or can't be managed safely or is politically infeasible, but that's not true.
tim pool
Not true for fusion especially.
james lindsay
It's certainly not true for fusion.
The material inside the reactor becomes radioactive, but there is no waste.
It's literally water that comes out of it.
No, helium that comes out of it, sorry.
tim pool
It makes helium.
james lindsay
It makes helium.
Which, by the way, helium is a limited resource.
tim pool
It's amazing.
james lindsay
It's a win-win, big time.
But it's also a not-real-right-now thing.
But nuclear is the way out of the, like, if we see this as an energy transition period to where, you know, well, maybe we're moving away from fossil fuels and we have to go into something different in this more green or whatever, it makes every bit of sense to use nuclear.
So the best answer that I have is that it is the way out of them being able to manage the energy economy the way that they want to manage it.
And I mean, there are some difficulties with nuclear, but they're not, They're not like death blows or whatever.
Yeah.
You can't turn them on and off quickly.
You can't ramp up production or ramp down production quickly in cycle.
So there are some limitations, but you need like one gas plant to be able to like adjust for that.
unidentified
Yeah.
james lindsay
And main baseline load can be covered by nuclear.
So it's like the escape hatch isn't there.
So this is why I use it as a litmus test, is if they're serious about it being about carbon
in the atmosphere, then they must be pro-nuclear, but they're very anti-nuclear.
And when you read the explanations for their anti-nuclear, none of them make sense,
which means that something else is going on here.
tim pool
They're also buying beachfront property.
ian crossland
Something's really up because they were talking a lot about carbon footprint and reducing carbon emissions.
Then all of a sudden I'm like, well, actually we can pull the carbon out of the atmosphere, deposit it onto palladium, copper, gold, turn it into graphene.
There's other ways of turning it into graphene, the carbon dioxide.
You can actually mine the carbon dioxide out of the air.
And the methane as well.
You take the methane out, turn it into carbon dioxide, and then turn it into graphene.
unidentified
Yeah.
james lindsay
I mean, I got all into carbon capture back like 10 years ago.
I was really, really into it.
ian crossland
Now the World Economic Forum is talking about nitrogen footprints too much.
Are these Dutch farmers, I think?
They're trying to shut down farms because of the nitrogen footprint.
james lindsay
Well, it turns out that there is a precedent to that that's very interesting, and we're going to go back into the conspiracy rabbit hole, because there was a book in 1972 published by the Club of Rome called The Limits to Growth.
that is a Malthusian book. It believes that the human population is in excess of what the earth
can actually support and it's only a matter of time until everything collapses. They predicted
we run out of copper in 2000, by the way, so they weren't that good with their computer models that
they did in the late 60s and early 70s. But in that book it actually talks about a that we have
to control the fertility rate so that we don't have too many people, but b that one of the easiest
ways to do is to control the food supply because if there's not enough food then there won't be as
many people because people won't make babies when there's not enough food to feed them.
And so then, what you can actually need to control is the levels of nitrogen fertilizer.
It's explicitly written in that book.
Now you think, well, what's the connection to this?
Well, in 1972, this book comes out, so what, right?
In 1973, Klaus Schwab invites him to speak in the third annual World Economic Forum meeting.
at Davos which when it was called the European Management Forum before it was called the World Economic Forum.
1974 they brought in a Brazilian communist priest Dom Elder Camara is this guy's name or Camara or Camera or something like this I don't know how to pronounce words in Portuguese but it's spelled C-A-M-A-R-A.
Elder Camara was the mentor spiritual mentor to Klaus Schwab he said after he met him and he was known as the Red Bishop he was a communist But he was also the mentor to Paulo Freire, who is the Brazilian Marxist educator, and it turns out also to Bergoglio, who became Pope Francis.
So it's kind of an interesting set of people that are all involved, but Camero spoke in 1974, the Club of Rome spoke in 1973, and you see this kind of mixture of this kind of, it turns out Marx hated Thomas Malthus and his ideas, but you see this kind of mixture of Marxism and Malthusian ideas kind of percolating through the World Economic Forum, but nitrogen
fertilizer and the buzzword of the book is sustainability, by the way. Nitrogen fertilizer and the
need for a sustainable world population is the thesis of that part of the book about farming. And so I
think that this nitrogen thing has probably other agendas behind it. Of course, it can... You
also... Which one was it? Was it Stalin or was it Lenin that said, if you control the food, you
control the people? Sounds like something Stalin would say. I think that was Stalin that said that.
tim pool
And so... I don't know if Lenin was as murderous. I think... Do you think Stalin killed Lenin?
james lindsay
I have no idea. I think he poisoned him.
I have no idea. I do know though that if I were really bad people that operate in this really
bad people space...
not saying that that's what's actually occurring, but I would possibly consider manufacturing a famine
and then offer digital ration cards that gets you on your digital currency to buy food.
And then you would say that people like preppers who stored food and became self-sufficient
are people who hoarded food and that they're the cause of the food crisis.
And that you're gonna have a, what was Claus's quote, prepare for an angrier world.
And you're going to have a very angry world at that point.
ian crossland
You guys were close.
It wasn't Stalin that said, if you control the food, you control a nation.
It wasn't Lenin.
It was Henry Kissinger.
james lindsay
Oh, guess who?
ian crossland
The great architect of the West.
james lindsay
Also literally the mentor of Klaus Schwab.
Literally.
Look that up.
It's Klaus Schwab's mentor at Harvard.
ian crossland
He and Klaus must be working together to transition from the liberal economic order to a new world order.
They must be.
And that's the connection I've needed between the World Economic Forum and the United States is Kissinger and Klaus Schwab.
james lindsay
Look them up.
They're like two peas in a pod.
And it turns out that China is the model.
The Chinese system, with its surveillance, its social credit, etc., is the social control model for the world.
That's the practice run.
Which, by the way, right now seems to be, although it's hard to say because you don't know what's true coming out of their cracking a bit, people are not happy in the Chinese system right now.
So, scary stuff there.
ian crossland
He also says if you control the energy, you control a region.
I believe this is all part of the thing.
If you control the food, you control a nation.
james lindsay
That's funny that we thought it was Stalin and it's Kissinger.
ian crossland
If you control the money, you control the world.
I don't think so.
james lindsay
My guess is that he is what you would call an old Hegelian.
So Hegel's cult of science, or whatever you want to call it, of alchemy, split into two groups immediately following his death in 1831.
There were the young Hegelians, and Marx was a young Hegelian.
And then there were the old Hegelians, and they were kind of competing.
They were basically the liberal and conservative versions.
And so what the young Hegelians believed—just look at Marx, and you can figure it out—what
the old Hegelians believed is actually that the ideal system had been arrived at in 1830s Prussia,
believe it or not, that's what they believed, and that the goal was to use the dialectical powers
or method that Hegel had put forth to spread it around the world, which is what we would
call nation building if we were to say neocons today.
So my suspicion is that the neocons, why are the rhinos so much like the Democrats, is because they're actually both Hegelian in their orientation.
You have the old ones who believe that, I don't know, it's the end of history and the last man was the title of the 1989 book by Francis Fukuyama.
That you're then going to spread democracy of the American style around the globe.
You're going to do nation building and color revolutions and take over one nation after another in order to get there.
And then, on the other hand, you have the Marxists competing with them as two sides of the same program.
ian crossland
What is dialectic?
You've mentioned that a couple times.
You said the dialectic nature.
What is that?
james lindsay
The dialectic is the combination of opposites to lift up to a higher level of understanding.
ian crossland
So they'll intentionally create an opposition in order to get something to the next level?
james lindsay
Correct.
They call it sublation in Marxism.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
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says, Tim, Chris never needs to speak again if this is the kind of content we'll get with Cast Castle.
Bravo, Reactor.
Hilarious opening.
The one-liners had me rolling.
Quote, just be careful you don't eat it.
Yes, the first episode.
The next episode is going to be really, really good.
I can't spoil it because they're all really funny, but Marjorie Taylor Greene was our guest, and she did a bit with us that's really, really good and extremely esoteric.
But, um, it's gonna be really funny.
And then, uh, we just filmed something with James, which is really funny, which I don't want to spoil.
But, you know, he was fighting chickens.
Okay, I think I just spoiled it.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah, you spoiled it.
tim pool
But I didn't spoil it exactly.
ian crossland
I can only imagine.
I'm looking forward to this one.
tim pool
This one's gonna be really funny.
james lindsay
I made lots of friends.
tim pool
He made lots of friends.
lydia smith
He did, yeah.
unidentified
He did.
tim pool
I don't want to... I said too much already.
But, uh, but yeah, a lot of funny stuff is coming, and, uh, you know, appreciate it.
All right, Logan Culver says, James, your speech at OK University on, mm-mm, I gotta stop.
Logan, you said D-E-I?
I don't know what that is.
I know what D-I-E is, so I'll fix it for you.
He said, your speech at OK University on D-I-E, diversity, inclusivity, and equity, was amazing.
I've listened to Lysenkoism part more than a dozen times.
Everyone head over to New Discourses and subscribe.
Cheers to one of my favorite guests on IRL.
Do you want to elaborate on what that was about?
james lindsay
OK, yeah, so first, when you ask me to introduce myself, I always forget that I don't... I should tell people I have a website, which is newdiscourses.com.
That's the name of my company, that's the name of my podcast.
You should probably go to that.
And I appreciate it, especially now that I'm off Twitter, and I appreciate the support.
So, yeah, I had a guy, his name's John, or Mark Owsley is John Mark, is his full name, Owsley.
In Oklahoma, who arranged for me to go during their diversity, inclusivity, and equity week.
They had a week dedicated to it at OU.
He arranged for me to give a talk on the subject at the university during their celebratory week of the Marxist program.
And I just laid out that this is what this is.
This is a... Equity is the goal.
Equity is a rebranding of socialism.
It's an administered state that's going to redistribute shares to make citizens and groups equal.
That's socialism by definition.
Okay.
And diversity and inclusion are the mechanisms to create a set of commissars.
Diversity means diversity.
Hires for diversity who are experts in diversity.
In other words, people who are political operatives for the program.
And inclusion means that anything that upsets those people has to be excluded so people feel included.
Kind of an inversion there of the meaning of the word.
And so that justifies your censorship and purges.
And so what you're seeing is the sovietization of your university.
And so, yeah, I let it rip in that, uh, I really let it rip in front of that audience.
And anybody who wants to go find it, the audio is not awesome, but it's out there, uh, when I went to University of Oklahoma.
tim pool
Just, just people, people really need to understand it's diversity, inclusivity, and equity.
james lindsay
For die, yeah.
See, I actually will make a case for D-E-I, because that spells Dei, which is God in Latin.
ian crossland
Oh, that's not an accident.
james lindsay
I don't think that's an accident either, but I do love when they throw J in there for justice and make it Jedi, because they're such dorks.
tim pool
D-E-I is Latin for God.
james lindsay
It's, well, Deus and Day-E.
Yeah.
tim pool
Day-E is though.
I know about, you know, Deus.
unidentified
J-E-D-I.
Oh, what a bunch of nerds.
james lindsay
Yeah, sometimes they put an A in there for different things and it's Idea.
ian crossland
Oh man.
tim pool
Oh yeah, or Jedi.
james lindsay
I keep trying to figure out how they're going to get Belonging and then something that starts with N, which I can't figure out what it'll be, and it'll be Biden.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Help.
tim pool
But justice, equity, diversity, and inclusivity.
ian crossland
Jedi.
tim pool
They're like, don't you want to be a Jedi?
james lindsay
Yeah, really.
tim pool
They're going to go for wizard next.
You're a wizard, Harry.
All right.
Monumental Madman says, Tim, fourth super chat, please read.
Brian Flowers is gunning for Benny Thompson's seat in Congress.
Would really love for you to have him on the show.
He's an America first Republican freshman on a mission.
Interesting.
Interesting.
OMG Puppy says student loans.
The Democrats are giving money to their voters and taking it from the Trump voting working class.
Also, hi, James.
lydia smith
Correct.
ian crossland
Yeah, I want to know where that money's coming from.
That's part of the speech he didn't talk about.
tim pool
Well, no, no, it's fractional reserve banking.
The money is created upon issuance of the debt, of the loan.
They write the money into existence, instantly diluting the economy.
Paying that money back is good, for keeping things in working order.
ian crossland
But as part of this, reducing debt by 10,000 for every person,
meaning that they're going to print $10,000 per person and give it to the colleges or the
loan institutions? Or are they just saying, sorry guys, you're not getting your 10 grand back per
person. So the people, whoever loaned the money, which is for me, it was like Fannie Mae, Freddie
Mac, institutions like that.
Are they saying you're just, Fannie Mae, you're just not getting that 10K per person back?
Or are they saying we're going to print 10K per person from the Federal Reserve and give Fannie Mae the 10K?
tim pool
That's actually a good, an important question.
james lindsay
That's a big, important question.
tim pool
Yeah.
Are they, are they like federal loans where they're like, we're going to just forgive it and say, you don't got to pay it back, which does create problems on the system.
Or is it private entities that did these loans and they're going to pay them?
ian crossland
I want to know.
I wish Biden had told me in his speech where he talked all about it today.
hannah claire brimelow
Super helpful.
tim pool
Falcon Laser says, James, what do you think of Event 201?
If you don't know what it is, Google it and read the first paragraph on the first link to come up.
I don't know what that is.
james lindsay
You don't know?
That's where they simulated the pandemic like two months before the pandemic.
Like October 2019, they're like simulating what would happen if a coronavirus pandemic, very specifically, were to break out.
And then what would they do to get all the messaging on par and like all Yeah.
tim pool
We're lucky they did that.
james lindsay
It's so fortunate.
ian crossland
This is Johns Hopkins in partnership with the World Economic Forum and Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
james lindsay
Yeah, it was just in time.
It was really remarkable.
It was literally just in time.
It's just nuts.
What do I think about it?
Huh.
I don't know.
Who is it in partnership with again?
Johns Hopkins in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation?
unidentified
Correct.
james lindsay
You know, I trust those organizations completely.
Wow.
Absolutely.
tim pool
We're lucky they're working here to help us.
james lindsay
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Dr. Roller Gator says, Hi, James.
This is Gator.
Are you done getting in trouble yet?
james lindsay
No.
Hi, Gator.
It's not even in caps.
It's fake news.
lydia smith
Sad.
I know.
I agree.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's grab what we've got.
james lindsay
Hashtag free Dr. Relegator so we don't have dead air.
tim pool
John Kirsten says what people call double standard is actually repressive tolerance.
james lindsay
That's right, it's hierarchy.
It is, in fact, them flouting that they have the power to have a double standard because they're entitled to feel better than you.
So they get to skip the rules, and you get to have the rules.
It's hierarchy.
It's not hypocrisy.
So when you have all these Republicans that come out and be like, oh, look at the hypocrisy.
Actually, all they're doing is giving them a slap on the back, like, good job, guys.
The left is proud of the fact they actually do not your average wine mom.
Doesn't feel this way, but if you actually pay attention a lot of them fully believe that they are superior human beings What did what did Sam Harris say about the the the so-called deplorables or whatever first of all they're called deplorables What did he say there was like was it 10 million?
Absolute morons or something like that was his comment about what would happen if we didn't like condition democracy through fortification of Twitter or whatever like seriously James Eaton said, heard an ad on the radio that basically said not to do drugs because they could be laced with fentanyl.
tim pool
Got me thinking about the poison during Prohibition.
Yeah, you guys know about that, right?
Yeah.
What did they do?
They put menthol or what?
lydia smith
I forget what they put in.
james lindsay
I don't know what they put in, but yeah, they laced booze with poison to make you go blind.
lydia smith
People died and went blind.
james lindsay
Yeah.
tim pool
I think it's menthol.
lydia smith
Possibly.
tim pool
Wood alcohol.
lydia smith
Oh, ethanol.
james lindsay
Methanol.
unidentified
Methanol.
lydia smith
Yeah, there you go.
james lindsay
Methanol.
tim pool
Oh yeah, I was going to say menthol.
james lindsay
Methanol.
Yeah, not mint oil.
tim pool
Not the cigarette.
james lindsay
No, that's what Biden took out of the cigarettes.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Methanol.
ian crossland
Methyl alcohol.
There's ethyl and methyl.
Ethyl is like your Aunt Ethel.
You can drink with your Aunt Ethel.
You can't drink with your Aunt Methel.
There is no Aunt Methel.
That's how I always remember it.
tim pool
And then ethanol and methanol.
james lindsay
Yeah, there's two names for the same thing.
lydia smith
There you go.
We got there eventually.
tim pool
Zeril says, it's so simple.
All of this Luciferianism, only a path from the dark to the light.
Don't be caught up in the small steps.
james lindsay
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's the same story as in Genesis 3.
It is.
It really is.
Because it's Gnosticism, and that's what's in Genesis 3.
And that's what Lucifer, whether you believe in the Bible or not, or whether you believe in the Christian worldview or not, if you think of it as just a mythology, this is exactly what the myth is talking about.
ian crossland
What exactly?
james lindsay
Everything that's happening where, so if you look at Marxism as a theology, what it's doing, remember I told you about Hegel with his absolute idea?
Well, Marx believes that man can become absolute man that remembers.
So for Marx, I have to back up one instant, the idea exists in the head of man.
And so that's why he says that Hegel had it upside down.
And so you can have the absolute man who holds the absolute idea in his head.
So that man, which is all man remembering that he's a species being or a communist,
a being that lives for the species, actually holds the absolute true nature of mankind.
In other words, you can actually actualize man as God, and that the way that it works
is through powers like the state.
So in other words, occupying positions of worldly authority, because if you understand
the Christian worldview on it, God has absolute and true authority, Satan is excluded from
true authority, and therefore he occupies positions of false authority through deception
and antagonism.
And so the myth of what Satan or Lucifer represents is exactly characteristic of what Marxism
actually boils down to.
It's freaky how tight it is.
tim pool
Have you read Revelation?
james lindsay
I have read Revelation.
I'm glad you didn't put an S on the end of it.
tim pool
Right.
What do you think about what's going on today?
And people have drawn parallels between, you know, First of all, let's be cautious.
james lindsay
We should be very, very cautious with jumping into not the discussion of it, but of believing that now we're seeing end times play out.
The reason I say that is many times at other points in history, people have said this, and people have believed it, and they've read the signs, and they've been wrong.
Now, I would also suggest that I do, and I say this that I know this, there are people who have lots of money, have huge purses that are funding many of the things that are happening in the world that seem very nefarious.
You can look up, for example, Ronnie Chan and see some of the things that he's purchased
and funded, who actually believe it is they're in a kind of a Christian offshoot cult, and
they actually do believe that their objective is to trigger the rapture by doing the things
in Revelation.
And so some of these things may be coincidental.
Some of these things it could possibly be.
I wouldn't jump.
That's something that I think should be met with tremendous skepticism in general, of
course, without even dipping into the fact that I'm not religious, so I don't.
tim pool
I watched an interesting lecture on it, and they explained that it may not be a prediction of the future.
It may have just been a description of societal issues that occurred that they were explaining, like, these are the things that happen when bad things are, like, when your society is falling apart.
Basically it was saying, of course many people believe it's prophecy, the word of God, it's a prediction of what's to come or how it will come, but it may have actually been looking at what had happened already and saying, here are the things that take place when your civilization is falling apart.
ian crossland
What is it, like frogs raining from the sky and stuff?
james lindsay
I don't know, no, I don't think of that.
tim pool
No, there's like, in order to buy and sell you have to have a mark on your hand and forehead and stuff like that.
james lindsay
Yeah, and then, you know, the four horsemen of the apocalypse come riding out and, you know, visiting calamity on man.
tim pool
And that could be metaphorical.
ian crossland
Yeah, it sounds like a fever dream, like a psychedelic experience.
tim pool
No, no, no.
It's literally a translation of a translation of a translation that may be saying, like, hey, when your society starts breaking down, you're going to see famine, death, war, and these things.
And they metaphorically refer to them as the four horsemen.
Got it.
But then people read the stuff and they literally believe that there's guys in the sky on horseback going, ha ha ha!
hannah claire brimelow
They're picturing the Legend of Sleepy Hollow.
james lindsay
The thing is with people that are operating within that kind of alchemical mindset is that they actually do believe that they can take a road map like the Book of Revelation and manifest that thing in the world.
And so it's like, there are people who have read the book of Revelation and have decided that that is a strategy, a political strategy.
And it would not be surprising to see many of the features of that come into being if they've read that as an instruction manual.
tim pool
Alright, Kent Uger says James. Do you notice any parallels between the US today and 1980s Soviet Union senile leader
and recalcitrant?
member states Estonia Latvia Lithuania acting a lot like Texas and
james lindsay
Florida it's funny because that's happening at the end of the the
Soviet Union as it's kind of winding down and Falling apart and it's kind of happening at the front end
of whatever is going on If the World Economic Forum is what we fear it is, and it
captures power, then we're at the beginning of a new super-Soviet, a USSA or whatever we
want to call it.
And we're actually- USSA?
tim pool
Yeah.
United Soviet States of America.
james lindsay
States of America, yeah.
And so now what we're kind of seeing then is it's kind of playing its role backwards.
I don't know.
There's parallels all over the place.
I actually firmly believe that they're combining the kind of Soviet tactics, top-down control,
public-private partnership, et cetera, with the kind of Maoist tactics that are bottom-up
and cultural revolution.
So that's your bottom-up and inside-out transformations.
And I'm using those terms, by the way, top-down, bottom-up, inside-out, on purpose, because
that's when Van Jones was born.
The green jobs guy for Obama, that's what he went on TV and said, this strategy is top down, bottom up, inside out transformation.
We have control of the top down.
And he said, we need you guys to be the bottom up in the inside out.
tim pool
I want to show a correction.
It's U-S-S-S-A.
United Socialist Soviet States of America.
james lindsay
Yeah, we need more S's.
But it's run by Klaus, so we have to use that Esset thing in German.
tim pool
The what?
james lindsay
The double S thing that looks like a broken B. Oh, yeah, yeah.
It looks like a goofy beta from the Greek letters.
lydia smith
Yeah, I like that.
tim pool
All right, Tyler Price says, yo, yesterday I searched for Timcast music on YouTube and the second search result was Will of the People by Muse.
LOL, love the show, keep it up.
Yeah, you know, we had talked about that a while back that the first song we put out was in 2020, Will of the People by Timcast.
You can check it out on YouTube.
And, uh, just recently, earlier this year, Muse announced their album, Will of the People, and their ad for their song is like a live-action remake of our song.
And it was just like the same name, the same color scheme, the same themes, the same illusions,
people with hoodies on pulling down the statue with an orange sky and throwing ropes.
Even the timing of how they threw the ropes, because we did an inversion trick
where it's like we showed the future and then the past.
They did too.
And then we were talking about how like we were working on this album with a bunch of songs and we do.
And I think ultimately we decided it was, we just want to do our thing.
Cause we were talking about, okay, well we're going to be releasing our album,
Will of the People, on the same time they are, cause their album's coming out on Friday
our song is being released.
But we just, there's a lot of things that came into play.
One, I don't care to be involved in any kind of whatever dispute it is they're trying to do, but now when you search for our song, you get Muse.
Like, I feel like that was intentional.
Like, that's, they're a major label band, they know that we had gotten several million hits, and there's a free ride coming, you know, whatever.
But you know what?
We're gonna do our own thing, and just steer clear of stupid drama.
ian crossland
No, I'm not.
I thought the song was kind of crap, dudes.
unidentified
You guys, like, the beautiful people, the will of the people.
ian crossland
I mean, it's just a ripoff of Marilyn Manson, the song.
tim pool
That's what everyone was saying.
ian crossland
And your color scheme on your song, Will of the People.
unidentified
It's crazy.
tim pool
It's not just the color scheme, it's our video starts with an orange sky and ropes hanging from a statue, and then people in hoodies are throwing the ropes over it.
And then the next scene changes to the statue not being pulled over, and then the ropes get thrown, like we did an inversion on the time thing.
And their video is, like, I would say it's 85% the exact same thing.
james lindsay
That's uncanny.
I don't feel any of that in, say, this political philosophical space.
Like, I certainly wouldn't ever believe that people listen to what I say and then, like, three to four weeks later put out, you know, basically the same video like they thought of it or, you know, write the same book like they thought of it.
It never comes up.
ian crossland
Nuts if that happened.
james lindsay
It would be crazy if that happened.
tim pool
They released the promo like a, you know, they released the promo on my birthday, right?
ian crossland
They released it on, you know, two months ago.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, it was like your birthday or like the day before.
tim pool
No, I'm pretty sure they released it on, uh, look up the Will of the People promo.
It's March 9th, I'm pretty sure.
ian crossland
June 1st is when the video went live.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
The promo.
tim pool
The promo, I'm pretty sure that was like a copy.
So this is the crazy thing where I'm like, dude, there's no way that was an accident.
The same name, same colors, same themes, similar characters, same time theme.
On my birthday, they release it.
It's kind of like, I'm a big fan, dude.
But it's things like that where it's like, should I believe we live in a simulation or are they just ripping me off?
james lindsay
I mean, ripping off is the less burdensome.
It's a more parsimonious assumption.
tim pool
Yup.
ian crossland
Can I find the date?
Five months ago.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure.
I think it was on Twitter.
You know, whatever.
Yeah, but I was like, wait a minute.
That was my birthday.
james lindsay
On what?
hannah claire brimelow
It's like a very strangely strategic time to do it.
There's no way.
tim pool
It's not on purpose.
I don't know how that's an accident.
All those things lining up.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I'm like, why that to you?
tim pool
And the thing is now, like, if you search for Tim cast Will of the People, which we've been, you know, promoting, especially now with the release of the next song coming up, Muse comes up instead of us.
That was what they did.
It's like, okay, great.
Whatever, man.
hannah claire brimelow
Is it weird to have this major band trying to ride your coattails?
tim pool
Well, I don't know, man.
I'm a fan of Muse.
But I think one thing is clear.
Let me rephrase, I never says, Tim's new single, only ever one of this, coming August 26th.
Man, the left is really, really reacting to this.
So we, but no, this is interesting.
And actually, I'm curious to get your thoughts on this.
So we put a promo up on Twitter and YouTube and Instagram, and it's got like 800, like almost getting close to a million views on just the promo, which is just really crazy.
But on Twitter, all these leftists are coming out and they're attacking it relentlessly.
My view is, you know, it's partisan.
They hate you, they don't care what you do or why you do it, they're gonna rag on you.
But one thing I think is that they're genuinely threatened by this.
What we produced is major label quality, general interest music.
It's not political at all.
That's a big threat.
When you make a song called FJB, that's fine.
It stays within the confines of the current culture war parameters.
No one who makes a song called F Joe Biden is likely going to convince a Democrat voter to support them because they approach them as an enemy.
So these Democrat voters instantly see it as a weird right-winger.
We made a song that is completely apolitical and just...
The promo came out and people are saying it's like emo or whatever.
I think that's probably a fair assessment, but the song itself is nowhere near that because that part is just like a small portion.
Most of the song is like ambient, soft, you know, pop.
I think it's similar to Cosmic Love by Florence and the Machine.
Okay.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, that's totally something.
I mean, I don't know, but that 100% makes sense to me.
by the fact that we here at TimCast are actively producing apolitical content
james lindsay
that will be attractive to regular people. Oh yeah that's totally something
I mean I don't know but that 100% makes sense to me because the idea that
you're gonna attract people who are gonna think wow you know this song
really hits I like it.
Who's this Tim guy?
I'm going to look him up.
Oh, he has a show.
I'm going to watch it.
I'm going to watch it.
Oh, wow, he's saying some interesting things.
That narrative control and keeping people in their silos is really, really, really a big important thing for them.
It's a very important issue to keep people, you know, to where, you know, well, Tim has this huge following and, you know, James has his following, but it's only their fan, like, keep it isolated, keep it contained.
And something that goes general interest, you know, it's really, I mean, it's like how viciously I got attacked when I'm Dr. Phil, because it's like all of a sudden I did something that hit, you know.
tim pool
You're in the mainstream.
james lindsay
I'm in the mainstream, yeah.
tim pool
Regular people are seeing you as normal and approachable?
james lindsay
I don't know if they saw me as normal and approachable.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, and I think the left sees themselves as the arbiter of art, right?
james lindsay
They have to be, yeah.
hannah claire brimelow
You guys can't produce art because, you know, if you're moderate or conservative, like, you're not correct.
They have to be in control of art, so the fact that you would make a song is threatening to them.
unidentified
And it's not political.
hannah claire brimelow
You're using their material.
This is what they control.
james lindsay
It's that same mechanism, that's right.
It's because whoever the artist is, general appreciation, it gives you emotional feeling, you know, you connect to it, and then you're going to come back and see who created it, and you're going to find out what they think.
And that's something to be terrified of.
If you actually read their theory, even these essays I mentioned by Marcuse talk about the need to control aesthetics.
Aesthetics are everything.
Aesthetics are so important.
They really want to have control of art.
tim pool
There's a big challenge, too, in how they paint people as negative things.
They say everyone's alt-right or far-right.
But what happens... So here's an example, right?
So I showed that tweet from Vosh where he was like, I make a million dollars a day.
Clearly he's not serious.
And then I tweeted something ridiculous.
There are people who immediately took that tweet and said, Tim Pool opposes debt forgiveness, even though I have never opposed debt forgiveness.
I have always supported student loan forgiveness.
I have always just had like, here's a practical approach.
I agree we should do it.
Here's how we can do it.
But they only ever respond to me as if I oppose it, because in their world, it doesn't matter if I'm for it or against it.
I am against the revolution, therefore I must be in opposition to it.
They want to lie about you.
They want to control the narrative of who you are.
What if, and I'm not saying we will, but what if Tim Cass Records someday, maybe Friday, maybe not, produces a billboard hit?
All of a sudden now, the establishment industry is gonna be like, okay, what is this song and why is it making the top charts?
It's hard for you to control the narrative when regular people don't care about your narrative.
When they're just like, I love that song, that song's so cool.
Yeah, but that guy's a fascist.
What?
Imagine if people were like, dude, don't listen to Post Malone, that guy's a fascist.
They'd be like, what?
Post Malone's great.
That's ridiculous.
You need to get into cultural spaces.
That's a big play that we're trying to do.
And The Daily Wire, clearly, with movies and everything as well.
All right.
Paul Fonkam says, PBS did a special where they got a hack to a hacker to hack into a car.
The only connection was Bluetooth device plugged into cigarette light to a cigarette lighter.
unidentified
Yikes.
tim pool
Yup.
That's crazy.
Joseph McFarlane says, all vehicles post 2009 have varying degrees of telemetry installed, which can be remotely interacted with even to your detriment.
No off switch.
Welcome to the future, ladies and gentlemen.
Jack Attack says, fools, nitrogen is not needed.
Plants need Brondo.
Cause it has electrolytes.
james lindsay
That's right.
Electrolytes are a plant.
You mean like water from the toilet?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Logan Davis says, Tim, you guys have to check out Sandman on Netflix.
Legit.
The death episode of Sandman is one of the best things I have ever watched ever.
I just, have you seen it?
james lindsay
No.
tim pool
There's, there's annoying, like woke stuff.
It's like, whatever.
I don't really care as long as it's not, they're not beating you over the head with it.
It's fine.
But, uh, the episode on death.
Was a masterpiece.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I didn't really care for anything else except for that episode.
That, I mean, it really feels like a short film that is so interesting and it's just worth the watch.
I can't say you should watch the whole thing, but definitely watch that episode.
tim pool
I think if you, uh, if you, uh, have you, have you watched The Orville?
james lindsay
I know what it is.
tim pool
You should watch it.
james lindsay
I should watch lots of things.
tim pool
You should.
james lindsay
I keep telling everybody, I don't watch anything.
tim pool
But so, so- I did see, uh, Idiocracy, though.
I think Seth MacFarlane has now done three episodes on why it's wrong to transition kids.
ian crossland
Or has he put out a new one?
tim pool
Well, in this season, I think there's two.
And in 2017, there's one where they transition a baby and Seth's like, you want to perform a gender change, sex change surgery on a baby?
That's unethical!
And they're like, in my society, it is completely ethical and we should do it.
And he's like, I won't let you.
I won't let the doctor do this.
Then the kid grows because they lose because this culture is allowed to do it.
Then they do an episode this season where the kid's like, this is not right, I don't want to be this way, and wants to de-transition.
And so they agree, like, we're gonna help.
Then the next episode is the planet is trying to kidnap, they're trying to smuggle women off the planet to stop them from undergoing child sex changes.
james lindsay
It's like... You know the transitioning a baby thing is literally where gender ideology, or actually gender identity started.
That's what John Money did.
That's literally what John Money did.
hannah claire brimelow
Seth MacFarlane's parents taught at this prep school near where I grew up called the Kent School, and it was one of the early independent boarding schools to approve of an official trans student policy.
So I'm wondering if this is something he's seeing reflected in the school he graduated from.
tim pool
All right, let's grab a couple more.
Tyler Price says, maybe Muse did it to try and send their fans your way because of the name and it was released on your birthday as a present, haha.
lydia smith
Sure.
tim pool
Well, it created serious market confusion for us and makes it harder for people to search for the song, which they're telling us over and over again they can't find it because Muse buried it.
And it's crazy, I mean, the imagery of it, the color scheme, if I told you, hey I made a song, it's called Will the People, check it out, the image is like an orange sky with a statue being pulled down and there's people throwing ropes and hoodies, you'd go, oh okay, and then you'd find Muse.
james lindsay
That's amazing.
tim pool
There's no way that was an accident.
That was a dick move, guys.
Anyway.
Waffle Sensei says, Hey Tim, kind of random, but I wanted to know, did you watch the new Dragon Ball Super movie?
It was so good, bro.
It'll take you back to the good old days.
I almost did.
I was at the, I was at a mall and they had it playing, but nobody else wanted to see it.
But, uh, I'm a big fan.
I'll check it out.
james lindsay
I heard its power level is over 9000.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Waffles goes on to say, but how do they procreate in Sandman?
The lore is amazing, but literally everyone is gay.
How do they procreate in this world?
That's actually a really funny point.
Um, in the show, I think, what is it?
80% of the characters are gay.
ian crossland
Well, gay men can have sex with gay women.
tim pool
But I mean, it's just like, I don't know if that's how it is in the graphic novel or whatever, but I was watching it and I was like, okay, now hold on there a minute.
Like, I have no problem with, you know, when they have like a black actor play a character that was originally white.
Like, I don't care about that.
Actors can play whatever they want to play.
Unless it's part of the character's identity.
Like, if you're doing the Grand Dragon supervillain who's a clan member and you make it a black actor to play it, I'd be kind of like, hey, maybe that's not a good idea.
But if you make all of the characters by choice gay, then I'm just like, Why?
unidentified
It's just weird.
tim pool
I actually think it would be better if there were straight and gay people.
Representation or whatever, but it's weird when it skews heavily in only one direction.
hannah claire brimelow
It's not representation, it's overcompensation.
They feel like other productions haven't had enough gay representation, so they need to go out of their way to make sure you can see it.
I don't know.
tim pool
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Friday at 12.01 a.m.
the music video will go live.
And if you're wondering why that is, it's because we're learning as we go, and that's when Billboard starts tracking music.
And I'm not, I'm not gonna come out and be like, oh yeah, we're gonna be top Billboard or anything like that.
It's like, no, but at least we're gonna, you know, make sure we're, you know, working in the system, how they track songs and doing all that.
So in the event we do release a good song, we can get more attention for it.
But I think it's a really good song.
I think you're gonna like it.
Carter Banks did an amazing job, and I'm really excited for it.
And then, actually, I liked it.
The version, the promo that we have up has a rock ending, you know, it's kind of heavy.
But we also do have a lighter version, which is going to be going up at some point as well,
which is more like piano violin.
And once you hear the song, it's like the promo actually doesn't do it justice because
it's a very, very different song.
That promo is just the ending of the song.
james lindsay
So I did.
I like I like some.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like good.
It was like ambience.
hannah claire brimelow
Our first review.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
The song is mostly just like good.
hannah claire brimelow
I liked the song, James.
unidentified
Let's see.
james lindsay
I like the song.
It's good.
tim pool
That's good.
That's fantastic.
And on the album, you know, ultimately what it comes down to is a lot of we've seen a lot of bands release political songs that clearly get play.
And that's good because it pushes back on culture.
But if we can start producing regular mainstream appeal music and it starts dominating, we're going to start shifting narrative control.
ian crossland
Yeah, the reason why Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Ohio was so good is not because it was about the Kent State shooting in Ohio.
It was because they were doing four-part vocal harmonies, and the melody is incredible.
tim pool
What I'm saying is, just not to prattle on too much, if we can, you know, strive to be the best, and we start getting, you know, positioning in the music industry, it will force The culture to talk to us.
It will bring them to our corner where we get to share these ideas and it will appeal to regular people who will be forced into our corner.
james lindsay
So, I mean, one of their hypotheses is that everything's political.
So if you make something apolitical, they don't know what to do with it.
tim pool
Exactly.
james lindsay
Falls right outside of their paradigm.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
The lyrics are very, very simple.
It's just a song about, it's like, it's like a song about relationship.
Just your typical old song, like something like Adele would write.
Anyway, James, you want to shout anything out?
james lindsay
Yeah, since I'm no longer on Twitter, don't go there.
Just leave that place, because it sucks.
No, I'm just kidding.
I don't care.
Use Twitter all you want.
But it does suck, that's true.
I am at Conceptual James on the other social media platforms.
My company is New Discourses, newdiscourses.com, and at New Discourses on social media.
I should have, within a month or so, another book coming out, if anybody's excited to learn about how education got stolen, and I literally mean that we've had our education stolen from our children.
The title of the book is going to be The Marxification of Education and I'm aiming, you know, middle of next month by the latest.
So hopefully we can get that going.
tim pool
Right on.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
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Thanks so much.
ian crossland
I'm Ian Crossland from iancrossland.net.
Follow me anywhere on social media.
And just to get that, the name of your book that's coming out next month or thereabouts, what's it called?
james lindsay
The Marxification of Education.
unidentified
Cool.
ian crossland
All right.
Thanks, James.
Great to see you again, man.
james lindsay
Yeah, man.
lydia smith
Very cool to have you again, James.
We just read Cynical Theories.
That was an amazing book.
Excellent, excellent work on that one for sure.
I'm excited you're having another one coming out soon.
Thank you all for joining us tonight.
You guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com as Sarah Petulitz, as well as SarahPetulitz.me.
tim pool
I just got a craving for 7-Eleven nachos for some reason.
hannah claire brimelow
Guys, road trip.
ian crossland
Something's mind-controlling.
hannah claire brimelow
We'll do the members only from 7-Eleven.
lydia smith
Alright, bye.
ian crossland
Fasting.
tim pool
Alright everybody, we will see you all over at TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out.
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