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Timcast IRL - Fauci Announces RESIGNATION, GOP Says He Fears Investigations w/Joe Ladapo
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tim pool
Anthony Fauci has announced his resignation and he announced it early
About a month ago, he said he was going to resign at the end of Joe Biden's first term.
Now he's going to be resigning in December.
He says he's not retiring, though.
He's going to keep working, just, you know, not in government.
Republicans have responded that this has a lot to do with potential investigations coming after the midterm elections.
And I think that's probably right.
Now, we actually struggled with what to lead with.
I think, you know, Fauci announcing his resignation...
What is this?
ian crossland
Oh, that might be coming from me.
tim pool
Is it?
Ian?
ian crossland
Did you hear that?
tim pool
Ian, what are you doing?
unidentified
I'm an animal.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm watching the show!
ian crossland
The YouTube's screwed up.
tim pool
Ian turns his volume all the way up.
All right, so we were actually struggling with which story to lead with because there's another story.
Two bombs were planted in West Virginia, one at a federal courthouse and one at a church.
The bomb squad showed up and detonated the device in the federal courthouse.
We don't know exactly why or what happened.
There's some other news, too.
Donald Trump is suing to block the FBI from reviewing seized materials, according to some people who worked in the Trump administration.
They believe that these materials are related to the Russiagate investigation, which makes a lot of sense.
And we've also seen reporting that the FBI group that went after these documents was the same group that actually led the Russia collusion FBI investigation.
So it sounds like things are pretty corrupt across the board.
We got a lot of stuff to talk about.
This is crazy.
Plus the assassination of Alexander Dugin's daughter.
Man, what a Monday, I guess.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Before we get started, my friends, head over to TimCast.com to become a member if you'd like to support our work.
We are going to have a members-only show coming up for you at 11 p.m., and this one's going to be very good.
We're going to get in deep details about COVID and vaccines because... So first, let me say, smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and the after show is going to be particularly important because we are being joined by the Surgeon General of Florida, Joe Latipo.
dr joseph ladapo
Thank you.
I'm very happy to be here with you tonight.
tim pool
So do you want to give a brief introduction on who you are, what you do?
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, sure.
My name is Joe Latipo.
I am the Surgeon General of Florida.
Prior to that, I was a professor at UCLA and prior to that, I was a professor at NYU and I'm a physician.
I'm a researcher.
I have a background in research and I mostly did research and I took care of patients at UCLA Ronald Reagan Hospital in West Los Angeles.
And I've enjoyed my position as the Surgeon General of Florida.
And, you know, we'll talk more about some medical health issues at some point, I think.
tim pool
Perfect timing.
I mean, we book you and then Fauci announces he's resigning.
dr joseph ladapo
He may have resigned because you booked me.
tim pool
That's right, that's right.
dr joseph ladapo
Oh no!
The temperature's getting warmer.
tim pool
When Joe walked in, I'm like, my race is kind of screwed up because I was skating, so, you know.
And then he's like, let me see.
And he actually, as a doctor, took a look at my wrist.
So this guy's a real doctor.
Glad you could be here.
dr joseph ladapo
Tim promised not to sue.
unidentified
That's right.
Glad you're here.
tim pool
We also have Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
hannah claire brimelow
Hi, I'm Hannah-Claire Brimelow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
That's it.
ian crossland
What's up, everybody?
Ian Crosland here.
Happy to be here.
Good to see you.
Let's get rolling.
We also got Chris Poole.
tim pool
Hi, I'm Chris.
Lydia's not on vacation.
She's getting... Wait, is it public why she's off today?
ian crossland
Yeah, she posted it online.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
She's got surgery.
I'm like, wait, am I going to announce that she's getting surgery and no one knows?
ian crossland
Getting a wrist fix.
tim pool
Yeah, see, I fell and hurt my wrist and I ignored it.
And now it's like a month later and it's still messed up, but I'm like, whatever.
I can still type and play the guitar and everything.
And the doctor over here took a look at it and it seems okay, right?
dr joseph ladapo
Did I stay ready that he promised not to sue if I misdiagnosed him?
ian crossland
Yeah.
dr joseph ladapo
You know, Tim should have, he should probably have a brace.
He should probably get some physical therapy.
You guys need to tell his mom so that, you know, someone can make him do it.
ian crossland
Get Joanne fired up.
tim pool
I think Lydia did the more responsible thing.
She went to the doctor and they were like, we need to give you surgery.
And then I'm just kind of like, you know, it just kind of pops out.
ian crossland
When you investigated his wrist, what was it?
Was it a little like swollen?
Tender?
What'd you notice?
dr joseph ladapo
He doesn't have any swelling, but he's got some laxness in some of his wrist joints, and he probably just needs to kind of have it immobilized.
tim pool
Really?
dr joseph ladapo
So that's probably part of the treatment plan for him.
Yeah.
You know, you're not, you're not arthritic when you're, when you're a little bit, you know, we got a, we got a music video coming out on Friday.
tim pool
So now's not the time to immobilize my wrist.
ian crossland
So I actually just submerge it and let it just float in the tub.
Does that help?
dr joseph ladapo
You can be like a doctor and be a bad patient.
So you can, you can wear the wrist brace and then take it off to play guitar and skateboard.
And then when you come into the doctor's office, say that you've been adherent.
So that's how doctors are.
tim pool
I put the wrist brace on when I am skating.
So I was skateboarding earlier and I always wear the wrist guard.
And I actually fell on it and I'm glad I was wearing the wrist guard.
And then when I'm doing the bigger ramps now, I started wearing a helmet.
Because I started thinking about it and I'm like, I've never hit my head in my life.
But it would kind of suck for everybody who worked here if I hit my head and they lost their jobs.
hannah claire brimelow
Yes, I'm really opposed to this.
I would personally like it if you wore a helmet every time.
So I wore a helmet.
Me and your mom are like, Tim, put a helmet on.
tim pool
My mom's like, my son's in danger.
And Hannah Clay's like, my job's in danger.
hannah claire brimelow
No, no.
I mean, I don't want you to get hurt.
But also, like, I like working at this super cool news site, CultiveGast.com.
I kind of need you to be there.
tim pool
Let's jump to this first story from the National Review.
Anthony Fauci plans to step down in December.
That's it.
He wrote a big, long thing saying, I will be leaving these positions in December of this year to pursue the next chapter of my career.
He's 81.
What's the next chapter of your career?
I mean, I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but it's like, bro, get your rocking chair, sit on your porch, rock back and forth with a nice sweet tea and enjoy your sunny days, man.
But he's saying he's still got a lot to do.
Now, the big thing here is, let me see if I have it pulled up.
Newsweek writes, Fauci resigning out of fear of GOP investigations, say Republicans.
In December, Fauci will forfeit his roles as the chief of the NIAID, Laboratory of Immunoregulation, and President Joe Biden's chief medical advisor, saying he wants to pursue the next chapter of my career.
Republicans believe Fauci is leaving government due to the possibility that the GOP will take control of the House in November.
Quote, Dr. Fauci is conveniently resigning from his position in December before House Republicans have an opportunity to hold him accountable for destroying our country over these past three years.
The Republican Rep.
Andy Biggs of Arizona tweeted, Adding that Fauci will be held accountable whether or not he remains in public office.
This guy is a coward.
Well, maybe that's the case.
But if he's not actively in government and they start investigating him, it won't disrupt whatever those institutions are actually doing.
So either way, this move will absolutely help Joe Biden's administration over the next couple of years and the NIAID.
But I'm curious, Joe, considering you're actually, I mean, Surgeon General, you're like the top doctor of Florida, right?
dr joseph ladapo
As crazy as it sounds.
I mean, I have to pinch myself.
I am literally the top doctor of Florida, which is kind of nuts.
tim pool
Well, what do you think about this?
You think his resignation is just career stuff?
What do you think about Fauci?
dr joseph ladapo
Well, you know, I think Dr. Fauci is a creepy guy, to be totally honest.
He gives me the creeps.
I think that he is enigmatic of a physician who is really more of a politician and more
about sort of agendas than about health.
I mean, that's been very obvious with how he handled the pandemic.
Not a single word, right?
You have a condition where obesity is a major risk factor.
Did he ever say, Hey Americans, by the way, you know, lose weight if you're overweight, get some exercise.
I didn't hear that out of his house.
tim pool
He did once say vitamin D though.
He, he did say vitamin D is important.
dr joseph ladapo
He did say that once and he said that once.
unidentified
Never again.
dr joseph ladapo
Right.
tim pool
Yeah.
dr joseph ladapo
Right.
tim pool
That is that is the creepiest thing to me about a lot of this is that during the pandemic, people had had pointed out quite extensively vitamin D, you know, getting sunlight, getting exercise, getting fresh air.
And these things were really important.
But this was never the official guidance.
It was never the narrative.
In fact, it was quite the opposite.
Stay inside.
Don't go outside.
And in big cities, they locked everybody in their homes.
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, no, absolutely.
And, you know, there's some controversy over vitamin D, but it's not killing anyone.
So it was the right thing to do.
tim pool
What's the vitamin D controversy?
dr joseph ladapo
Well, it's, you know, vitamin D is very mysterious because there is study after study that shows that if you have low levels of vitamin D, you're at higher risk for everything.
Depression, high blood pressure, cancer.
I mean, you name it.
Infection.
But the clinical trials have not usually shown what the other studies have shown.
Not all of them, though.
Some of them have shown a reduction in infection, actually, with vitamin D pre-pandemic.
But again, it's very interesting.
The studies go both ways.
And what gets me, actually, is that, you know, Maybe it doesn't work, but there's a class of doctors who are just rabid about trying to stop people from using medications that are low risk and are uncertain.
They just want to keep saying, no, that doesn't work.
No, that doesn't work.
I don't want to get too nerdy, but fluvoxamine is a medication that had a couple clinical trials that showed benefit in COVID.
And I recommended it to patients because there was data.
But another trial just came out that didn't find a benefit and the writers at the New England Journal of Medicine slammed this medication.
But the problem is the medication was dosed at like 50% of the dose that worked.
So how can you conclude that something doesn't work when you're not even dosing it right?
But they're just crazy about concluding things don't work and telling people not to use stuff.
tim pool
What was the one you just mentioned?
dr joseph ladapo
Fluvoxamine.
tim pool
Fluvoxamine.
What is that?
dr joseph ladapo
Actually, it's a medication for anxiety.
And it just so happens that one of the ways it works is on a receptor that is also needed by the virus.
So a few clinical trials have shown that it benefits people.
tim pool
But so this is not an official treatment.
It's not approved or anything like that.
dr joseph ladapo
It's not an official treatment.
The FDA actually reviewed it recently and they decided not to give it the thumbs up.
And, you know, that was criticized by some advocates of the of the medication.
And, you know, the FDA, it wasn't that they didn't make the right decision, but they took forever to make the decision.
And this thing, we could have had the answer to this like two years ago, literally.
But there was, you know, there was very little interest in treatment during the pandemic, as many people know.
tim pool
There's several treatments that have become notorious and YouTube explicitly bans people for advocating for things like that.
The strange thing to me about a lot of it is if the argument was always talk to your doctor, Why is it that if a doctor recommends something publicly, it's unacceptable and it's bannable?
Look, I understand this.
There's a lot of crazy people saying a lot of crazy things online.
And I can understand there's a fear that during a pandemic, someone's telling you to do something wacky or wild.
And, you know, they want to control that, but you can't.
That's the thing.
You literally can't.
You've got a bunch of doctors who are like, I'm a doctor.
Here's what I recommend.
And they're like, you're banned.
And it's like, but Fauci's not practicing.
Is that correct?
Like he wasn't practicing for 30 years?
dr joseph ladapo
I don't think he still sees patients, certainly not actively or frequently.
tim pool
So the issue I take with Fauci over the past several years, notably during the peak of the pandemic, was the wishy-washiness, the flip-flopping, which he justified as, oh, the science is changing.
dr joseph ladapo
Oh gosh, he don't justify anything.
That guy, I mean, he's so slippery and slick.
He's completely dishonest.
It's ironic that so many Americans trust him.
And he is probably one of the least trustworthy doctors I've ever observed in my life.
tim pool
But he's not even, my understanding, not practicing for a very, very long time.
He's a bureaucrat more than anything.
dr joseph ladapo
Oh, that's for sure.
tim pool
But he's coming off on TV as if he is the expert.
And because of the things he says, you end up with these really weird tribalist positions where, very famously early on, he said, don't wear masks.
Later on, he said, the reason they were saying that was because they needed the masks for the nurses and the doctors and it was more important they got it.
And it was like, so which is it?
You know, were you, did the science change or were you aware and you didn't want people buying masks?
dr joseph ladapo
Either way you cut it, he's dishonest.
By the way, the science didn't change.
But either way you cut it, he's dishonest.
Because the thing is, the clinical trials before the pandemic, almost all of them found no benefit from regular folks walking around with masks.
I'm not talking about hospitals.
I'm talking about walking around the city, like you see, or going to the grocery store wearing a mask.
So, that's what the studies showed.
So, the rationale behind him flipping or who knows... Then why did he change his position?
That's a great question.
I mean, you know, what he said, of course, was that he was trying to save the masks for healthcare workers.
unidentified
But how can you even believe... I mean, it's hard to... Well, so I'll say this.
tim pool
We've had conversations about masks before.
We're outside of all of this pandemic stuff now, so I don't know where any of YouTube's policies sit on this stuff.
But we've pulled up the CDC's website, and it actually... It's not as crazy as a lot of... There's the pro-mask people and the anti-mask people.
It's actually decently...
I mean, moderate when it comes to masks.
Like, the CDC said there's a marginal benefit.
It's decent enough that they would recommend it in some circumstances.
Like, the obvious thing I would say, you know, obviously if you're sick and you're wearing a mask, you're gonna stop some coughing, sneezing, and spitting on people, and something like that, right?
dr joseph ladapo
Sure, but that's different from whether wearing a mask reduces the chance of someone else getting a virus.
And even, you know, I get it, like the idea that you think something's going to work and therefore it should work, but that's why we have clinical studies.
tim pool
Well, but the CDC on their website now says that there was a moderate reduction in like 70 different studies.
At least this is the last time we pulled up this huge list of studies.
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, I know.
And so this is dishonest science.
Because what, you know, I mentioned vitamin D earlier, right?
So you've got your observational studies that always find a relationship.
We're at the low levels and bad health outcomes.
And then you've got your clinical trials that unfortunately most of the time haven't found a benefit.
Same thing goes for masks.
They pull up these observational studies, and they hang their hats on them, and the observational studies are finding these huge reductions, and then they say, oh, look at this, the masks work great, you know, and make those, you know, everyone should wear them, including kids, like the most ridiculous part.
I've got little kids myself.
But then you look at the, we did, there were, during the pandemic, there were at least two large clinical trials.
One found zip, zero, no benefit.
unidentified
The second was found in Denmark.
dr joseph ladapo
Pardon?
tim pool
Was that also an observational study?
dr joseph ladapo
No, no, this was a clinical trial.
Like this is, you know, you randomize people, you give, you know, and you, that's the gold standard for testing stuff, whether something actually works.
That's how, you know, if it really works and it should work in a clinical trial too, And one study found zero, no benefit.
There was so much spin, by the way, when that study came out by medical doctors trying to explain why there wasn't a benefit.
The second study basically found no benefit.
There was no benefit for a cloth mask.
Zero.
None whatsoever.
For surgical masks, there was like a 10% reduction.
So, you know, 12% versus 11% of people tested positive.
Like, this is the thing that they're letting people fight over in airports about.
And then for young people, there was zero benefit whatsoever in the second study.
So it's a big lie.
I mean, it's not like they don't know what evidence is.
That's what evidence is.
tim pool
Well, so let me pull up this from Los Angeles Daily News.
Mask mandate didn't work against COVID-19 in LA, say doctors from USC and UCLA.
Letter from doctor said masking had limited effect and it's best to stress vaccines.
Other doctors still back masks.
I think that one of the biggest problems we have right now is YouTube censorship policies.
I mean, how do you even have a conversation on science if science changes if you're not allowed to discuss science changing?
Dr. Fauci came out early on and said not to wear masks.
He then came back later and said, okay, now wear masks.
Now we have U.S.C.
and U.C.L.A.
saying the mandates didn't actually do anything to stop this.
So my question is, how can YouTube set a censorship policy when U.C.L.A.
and U.S.C.
has issued these statements like this, right?
I mean, it's an untenable situation you can't even have a public conversation about.
How are we supposed to address any of this stuff?
How are we supposed to function as a society if that is how big tech is handling it?
dr joseph ladapo
I totally agree with you.
Their agenda seems more political from my perspective, from everything I've seen.
I think it's a pretty rotten system.
I think it's hurt people.
It's not a business that's going very well for them in terms of regulating knowledge and opinions.
tim pool
So where does Fauci go from here?
What do you guys think?
ian crossland
When I came in, I said, you know, the number one indication of why someone is resigning is because they failed.
I don't know if that's why he's resigning, because he's now admitting defeat and failure, or if he's realized, I've come to the point in my career where I can no longer serve, I'm resigning.
Like doing the right thing.
Maybe he's doing the right thing.
He'd probably write a book.
hannah claire brimelow
I think he could do any number of things.
He is entitled to I think the largest retirement package in federal history because he's the highest paid federal government employee.
That's like a study from Open the Books or a report from Open the Books in December of 2021.
I covered it for our site.
So in some ways it is interesting to me that he is not.
opting to retire because he'd still make a lot of money off of retiring.
In some ways to me it's hard not to read vanity into this.
Retiring means that you're old and retiring means that you like are no longer supposed to have an opinion and right now he wields a lot of influence so if he retires he is acting as if he's going to step back and he doesn't want to.
I mean this is the man who while by the pandemic filmed a documentary about himself with Disney.
It's a It doesn't seem like he knows where he wants to go, but he does not want to leave the limelight.
And of course that's subjective, although...
Retiring does seem like a totally plausible option for him.
He did, I think I was talking about this before the show, in July, there was this report from Politico.
He'd done this interview and Politico reported that Fauci intended to retire at the end of Biden's administration.
So that would be next December, not this one.
And then the day after they published, he was like, no, I'm not going to retire.
What do you mean?
I didn't say that, even though they have him on record saying that.
So, it seems like, again, this idea of retiring has a lot of fear for him, and whether it's because he thinks he opens the door for an investigation or it's vanity, it's hard to say.
ian crossland
Are you saying that he could have stayed at the job longer and then retired and got a monetary package?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, he's entitled to a government pension, and because he's been working for the federal government for, I think, four decades, it's very sizable.
ian crossland
And even though he's resigning, is he still getting the same package?
hannah claire brimelow
I believe he still has access to it, but again, he's not publicly retiring, and to me, that speaks to vanity.
He doesn't want to seem like the old out-of-touch doctor.
tim pool
I want to ask real quick, because I don't want to stick around on this subject too much, but I pulled up the CDC.gov and they mentioned, so explain to me what these studies mean.
It says, this is from the CDC, the CDC still recommends wearing masks if you're going to be in large gatherings.
This is a large, well-designed cluster, randomized trial in Bangladesh in late 2020 found that surgical or cloth mask distribution Role modeling and active mask promotion tripled mask use by 42.3% in intervention villages compared to 13.4% blah blah blah.
In villages receiving mask interventions, symptomatic seroprevalence of SARS-CoV-2 was reduced by approximately 9% relative to comparison villages.
In villages randomized to receive surgical masks, symptomatic seroprevalence of SARS-CoV-2 was significantly lower, 11.1% overall.
The results of the study show that even modest increases in community use can effectively reduce symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections.
So that sounds like they do, you know, like I was saying, you know, the CDC often says it's marginal nine to 10%.
I mean, that's good though, right?
dr joseph ladapo
So that's not good.
Like, so, so that nine or 10%, so the seroprevalence that they mentioned.
ian crossland
What does that mean by the way, seroprevalence?
dr joseph ladapo
So they test people's blood for antibodies to the virus as an indicator of prior infection, right?
So so 9 or 10% that's called a that's a relative reduction.
So if you have the villages that get the the villages that get the masks and Their seroprevalence is is 12% and you have the villages that don't get the masks and their seroprevalence is 11% That's a 10% reduction Oh, 10% of 12 is 1.
Yeah, right.
That's some lazy... So that is what happened.
That's what happened.
And that, by the way, is just another... that's just an example of why doctors like Myself, and I think probably some of the other doctors you've had on your show, are just fed up with the lies and the misrepresentation of science.
That is exactly what happened.
tim pool
You're familiar with the study you're saying?
dr joseph ladapo
Oh yeah, that's the second clinical trial that I mentioned.
tim pool
So this is not what the CDC says though?
dr joseph ladapo
Well, they're saying that you went from 12% to 11% and that was a significant, that shows that it makes a big difference.
tim pool
It doesn't mention the 12%.
It just says that COVID, seroprevalence in villages with masks was reduced by 9%.
In villages randomized to receive surgical masks, it was down 11.1%.
dr joseph ladapo
Right.
Right.
So that's a relative reduction.
And I just happened to remember from reading the study that the seroprevalence, it was in the teens, right?
So there was like a one percentage point difference in the prevalence.
That's a fact.
I mean, that's what that exactly.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Cause it sounds like it's going from 22% to 10.
dr joseph ladapo
It even gets worse.
Go ahead.
tim pool
This is funny.
It sounds like you're saying masks work.
dr joseph ladapo
Well, it actually gets worse than that.
So we have a threshold in health policy and epidemiology and statistics for when we consider a difference as being significant.
You know, it's kind of arbitrary, but that's how things work.
So that threshold in that study, like if this is a threshold, right?
Say we were checking, you know, say we were testing the effect of exercise on heart disease, right?
You know, if this is a threshold, you compare people that exercise with people who don't, like you're like way below the threshold.
It clearly is beneficial for health.
The threshold for that study was right here.
It was barely significant.
They barely reached significance.
I mean, that is an extremely weak finding.
tim pool
Well, I can only say that, you know, the CDC still has on their website the recommendation and several studies, but I don't know how to reconcile that with the NewsGuard-certified Los Angeles Daily News saying that scientists, doctors from USC and UCLA, saying that masking had a limited effect.
It sounds like they're saying more in line with what you were saying.
In fact, you were at UCLA, I believe.
dr joseph ladapo
I was at UCLA, and what they're saying is factual, based on the data.
Maybe they work a lot better, but that hasn't been shown from clinical trials.
ian crossland
Is there evidence that if you have a dirty mask with, like, fecal, like, just gross up, and you breathe it in, that it'll make you sick?
dr joseph ladapo
I'm laughing at the fecal, I don't know why you went there.
ian crossland
Putrefactive bacteria, let's talk about it.
dr joseph ladapo
Well, if you have fecal stuff on your mask, you probably will get sick.
unidentified
Typhus?
ian crossland
Halitosis?
dr joseph ladapo
Well, you know, actually there are some studies that show some evidence of harm, potential harm.
You know, they don't get a lot of, they don't get any media attention, but there are some studies that show harm.
In fact, There was a clinical trial of cloth masks among doctors, healthcare workers in Thailand, I think it was Thailand, that was published years ago in the British Medical Journal, which is a very good journal, that compared cloth masks to surgical masks.
And basically, the people in the cloth mask group got more infections.
You mentioned observational studies.
unidentified
about it seem to increase their... Is it fair to say though you got to be careful
tim pool
about like a single study that comes out you know you want to see it multiple...
the test like you want to see the results... Absolutely, in science, absolutely,
ian crossland
absolutely. You mentioned observational studies how do those work exactly
relative to like a clinical trial? Well a clinical trial is great because you
dr joseph ladapo
bring people in and you say that okay these people they're gonna get the
intervention These people are not.
And you kind of, you follow them and you see what happens.
I mean, that's the gold standard.
Observational studies, you know, you go around this room and you measure, let's say you measure, you know, what's a good one for this room?
tim pool
Sugar consumption.
ian crossland
Let's do it.
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, okay, so you measure sugar consumption and you have each one of us go out and skateboard, okay?
So, you know, I don't know, let's suppose that I don't drink, I don't have much sugar consumption, or energy drink consumption, okay?
So you got guys like me who basically don't consume energy drinks.
Say one of you guys do and let's say that Tim consumes a lot of energy drinks and then you like you go and see how well we skateboard or we fill some survey that says how well we skateboard and then you conclude that hey look at that you drink more energy drinks you're gonna be a better skateboarder.
That's how observational studies work.
ian crossland
So they're not, like, taking into account he might have been practicing skateboarding.
dr joseph ladapo
Right.
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Or I ate a burrito before handing you this, or he's in a good mood or any of that.
dr joseph ladapo
And therefore, with that, you have different quality studies.
Like, some of them might be better.
tim pool
So I think, you know, with observational studies, you would need substantially more And all you'd really do, it sounds like, is find anomalies.
Find things that may be that you'd want to test further.
dr joseph ladapo
That's exactly right.
You have to be very, very careful.
Very, very careful.
I mean, there's so many examples of misdirection from observational studies.
ian crossland
In regards to vitamin D, which we brought up earlier, is there a difference?
I've heard there's a difference in endogenous vitamin D and vitamin D that you take, meaning the vitamin D you get your body to produce naturally from like sunlight causing it to happen as opposed to eating a vitamin D vitamin.
Is there a difference in the way it biochemically interacts?
dr joseph ladapo
So, you know, biochemically, not sure.
I mean, the process by which they, it's, you know, when your body creates vitamin D versus taking it from a pill, I mean, that is different biologically.
But, you know, in terms of things like if you break your wrist or something and it's because you've got, you know, low bone density, whether you take supplemental vitamin D or you get more sunlight, the benefits of the vitamin D to your bones are going to be the same.
But there are people who believe that there are differences in the effects from whether it's sunlight or from a pill.
I don't know that science well enough.
tim pool
We're gonna do a, like, very hard segue.
ian crossland
They call that jerk.
Let's jerk.
hannah claire brimelow
Brace yourselves.
tim pool
The subject is changing so hard.
The next story we have, because I'll just mention this for everybody, we're going to get into way more detail on all of this stuff at TimCast.com, the 11pm members only show, for a variety of reasons, some of them are fairly obvious, but we're going to get into a lot of deep detail, especially with Florida's response and what Florida's doing.
And then we've got some other stuff I want to talk about when it comes to medical practices in Florida pertaining to trans kids, but we do have some breaking news that we put off for a little bit.
We have this story from Metro News West Virginia.
Explosive devices reported at two locations in Bluefield.
There were no injuries after the discovery of two explosive devices in Bluefield on Monday morning.
West Virginia State Police, the Bluefield Police Department, and other law enforcement responded to a call at the federal courthouse in downtown Bluefield around 9.40 a.m.
Officers evacuated all people from the building and an adjacent department building as they dealt with the device.
Apparently, they detonated police-yell fire in the hole before a loud boom was heard.
It was destroyed around 1140 inside the federal building.
An explosion was heard from the building.
Another device was found at, I believe it's down here, Westminster Presbyterian Church in Bluefield, West Virginia.
Bomb squad has arrived.
So, the reason I thought this was, you know, this story caught my eye, and it's not really getting a lot of attention, is someone planted a bomb at a federal courthouse.
I mean, we saw in 2020 the riots with the far left.
They were attacking the federal courthouse in Portland.
And then I saw it was West Virginia, and West Virginia is MAGA country.
You know, it's the second most Trump-supporting state in the United States.
So I wondered who or why would someone do this?
Entirely possible.
It's an isolated incident pertaining to local matters, and it's only getting national attention because of the tensions and the conflicts that have been happening at the federal level or with the FBI, for instance.
So we don't know for sure.
Entirely could be local conflict.
Or it could be... I mean... I'll just throw it out to you guys.
What political ideology would attack a federal courthouse and a church?
ian crossland
Well, I've been on high alert since Dugan's daughter.
We might talk about this more later.
tim pool
That's the next one we're getting into.
ian crossland
His daughter was killed in a car bomb.
So there's this bombing theme in the last five days all of a sudden.
I'm very concerned about false flags.
This could have been someone from another country that wants to instill agitation in the people's minds.
And that it's a church and a courthouse?
tim pool
Two different buildings about a mile apart.
ian crossland
Yeah, like you don't have far right religious zealots bombing churches ever, really.
I mean, so that doesn't make it doesn't seem like I am very hesitant to start blaming groups or ideologies for this because it could be anybody that wants to see chaos in the United States could be doing stuff.
tim pool
Fog of war man, you're a best man of.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I remember in the 1970s there were a lot of environmentalist extremists who bombed federal buildings or federal lands.
There is a suspect in custody.
His name's Dean Fowler.
He's 50 years old.
I haven't had a chance to look into him too intensely.
I mean, there is The instinct, and I hesitate to tie it to any specific group, although it's incredibly disruptive, but there's also a chance someone had something personal.
I was saying before the show that I wonder what was on the docket in the courthouse that day, and we looked it up, the church and the federal building are about a mile apart.
So there's a question of like why those two places, because Roe v. Wade.
Roe v. Wade.
tim pool
SCOTUS.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, there's anything.
tim pool
And a church.
hannah claire brimelow
Or he knows a lawyer who was practicing and he's mad at the priest down the street.
Like, it's very hard to tell without a ton of information.
tim pool
First and foremost, the most important thing.
It's a small town in West Virginia, so strong possibility.
The priest and his neighbor got into a fight, they have a court hearing for some reason.
I don't know, it's a federal court, so that doesn't make sense, actually.
There's no reason why a local dispute would go to a federal court.
It could be someone from outside the state went to dispute this guy, and he was being sued interstate, so it's federal.
It's possible, but I gotta say, the memes I see all right now are Roe v. Wade.
The federal courts, the Supreme Court, the federal court of this country, the big one.
Why would someone go after a church in a federal court?
Simple solution hypothesis, not saying we have any evidence of this, is left-wing.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, it's typically not... Well, I don't know.
I don't know.
It's scary stuff considering the escalation we've seen around the world and the United States.
My first thought was when the news broke that it was a federal courthouse, that they were going to start saying it was Trump supporters because of the FBI, because they're going after Trump, and because this judge, this federal judge in Florida, Yeah, I mean, I've read the stories.
I don't know if you're familiar with this guy, right?
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, I mean, I've read the stories.
tim pool
Yeah, and so I was thinking like maybe this is, you know, like the guy in Ohio,
but then they found, okay, and they said, we found one at a church.
And I'm like, okay, now that doesn't make sense.
Like a Trump supporter is not gonna put a bomb at a church.
It's that they donate to the church, you know, if they were gonna do anything.
And so then I saw, you know, I saw these memes on Facebook
and they're calling it Rovember.
They're saying Rovember, Roe v. Wade November.
Go out and vote November.
Democrats, Roe v. Wade, the federal courts, the churches, the religious people.
And I'm wondering if this is just more likely to be at the very least, not saying we have evidence, but left-wing radicalization and attacks.
Why would it happen in literal MAGA country though?
It's just, it's just weird.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean, it's a sign of disruption.
West Virginia is such an interesting state because it does have such a tie to the Democratic Party.
It was a Democratic stronghold for a long, long time.
And so I think that native West Virginians, while they are often MAGA supporting, It's a more complex state than people give it credit for because they ultimately like every county in the state went for Trump.
I do say like it's very hard to tell I wouldn't be surprised at all if this had left-wing ties and again I would really like to know what was going on in the courthouse today.
The church is what's interesting to me because it feels more personal.
Again, a mile away, a 20-minute walk, that means that you could have probably... I mean, it's West Virginia.
There are probably four other churches within the vicinity.
Why the Presbyterian one?
Why that one specifically?
And again, that goes back to it being specific to that community.
tim pool
You want to look?
hannah claire brimelow
We can look, yeah.
tim pool
No, I mean, this is the thing I can't reconcile, right?
A local dispute with a local church, but a federal courthouse?
There wouldn't be a suit at the federal courthouse.
Maybe someone at the church ratted out a guy and it's a criminal matter?
I honestly don't know.
hannah claire brimelow
They said that the suspect who's in custody is going to undergo evaluation, so they might be arguing that there's some sort of psychological disturbance.
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But again, this is a functioning- Anybody who's putting a bomb anywhere is going to have a seat right.
hannah claire brimelow
A functioning bomb.
They had to detonate this.
They didn't go in and say like, oh, this doesn't work or it's fake.
Like they had to destroy it.
ian crossland
Is there knowledge about what the explosive was?
Sometimes that can help you discern who did it.
tim pool
They didn't say.
hannah claire brimelow
I haven't seen anything.
tim pool
But obviously there's a reason why I bring this up.
Civil War, right?
Is this, you know, how old are you, Joe?
Can I ask?
dr joseph ladapo
I am, you can ask.
You don't seem that old.
I'm 43 years old.
unidentified
Are you?
ian crossland
Okay, you look so much... 79, baby.
dr joseph ladapo
Are you really?
Okay, you look so much...
ian crossland
79, baby.
unidentified
What month?
When's your birthday?
ian crossland
Yeah, you too, dude.
unidentified
What month?
dr joseph ladapo
I was born in December.
ian crossland
Okay, April.
tim pool
I was talking to a guy who was in his 60s and he said that he was just a couple years shy of getting drafted into Vietnam.
And then I said, so you saw the news reports about the weather underground?
And he's like, oh yeah.
And then I was like, is it worse now or was it worse then?
He says, way worse now.
Can't believe it.
ian crossland
That's the media.
A lot of it is because of the media.
Because one bomb in central West Virginia now is global notoriety, whereas in the 70s it was like, good luck if you read about it in the paper the next day.
tim pool
Maybe.
It was more regional.
And that could be it.
And that's one of the things he pointed out.
He said the issue is that everything's instantaneous these days.
You know, back then something would happen.
It would take a while for people to find out about it and react to it, whether that's an escalation or just generally learning about it.
And so I think that's the important point.
In the 70s, with Weather Underground, something happens.
When did you learn it happened?
Right?
Three days later, maybe it happens on a Friday, you don't watch the news until Monday, and then the Monday news report comes out, and you're like, huh.
Today, it's the moment it happens.
The moment this story hit.
Like, I'm seeing it.
I mean, granted, it's my job.
But for people who are on Twitter, you're learning about it right away.
I think that actually does mean it's worse, though.
You know why?
If it took a week, I mean, you go back to the revolutionary period.
If it took a month or two months for someone in a different state to find out that someone got shot in a different state, they could not react to it or escalate because they didn't know it happened.
But now with social media and with instant communications, the moment it happens, you see a protest, right?
Like, you get a video of a dude being beaten by cops, hour later, Black Lives Matter is out on the street protesting.
That wouldn't be possible without the internet, without cell phones.
Before even when we had cell phones, that wouldn't have happened.
It was only after the iPhone made it possible for people to pull up Facebook and see community organizing instantly did we start seeing that kind of phenomenon.
So it could be 2007.
Some cop beats a guy, protests don't show up until the next day.
Because people go home, get on the computer, then learn about it, then show up the next day.
Today, mass texts go out.
So I'm wondering if our tolerance for violence is going down.
And it's not necessarily.
I think violence is up, obviously.
Murders are way up.
But I'm wondering if relative to political conflicts, it's not as much violence that will trigger a civil war, civil conflict, or something like that.
ian crossland
It's a very interesting conversation.
I think it's... I'm calloused to this stuff.
I've become calloused.
I see it.
It doesn't hurt as bad.
I don't immediately believe, that guy's the villain because I think I saw him punch him.
Like, I don't know what's going on.
But the downside is when you're calloused, you can't really feel.
I can't feel it.
It's not making me snap to attention, maybe like it should be.
The downside is people are going to go nuts faster.
The upside is people can mobilize faster if there's a real emergency like some sort of flood or whatever.
hannah claire brimelow
There are, just to tie this up, 10 churches closer to the courthouse than the Westminster Presbyterian Church, which is actually a little bit farther away.
tim pool
Interesting.
hannah claire brimelow
Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.
ian crossland
Sounds like some local drama.
tim pool
No, that's a good point though.
But why a federal courthouse?
Maybe somebody who works at the courthouse or lives locally?
hannah claire brimelow
To be disruptive.
I mean, I think you're still right that it could be tied to ideology and they know they have access to a federal courthouse in their town.
Earlier I pitched like, well, we have to see how far the church is because what if the church is outside?
So when you evacuate the building, people come outside and it's even more of a dangerous situation.
I think, just to tie it back to what you're saying about the news cycle, I think that these moments that feel like breaking news, you know, for us, because we're watching the news, it is really interesting and for some people they'll remember it.
But they won't start to pay attention until there's a pattern, until there's another federal courthouse in another small town in another part of America.
And then it will start to seem like, oh, wait, is something going on?
And at that point, we really have to ask ourselves, like, are we too late?
Are we missing something that's really significant that's going on?
tim pool
One of the mistakes people make is when you hear stories about small rural towns being targeted in this way for whatever this was.
They say, well, it's probably not political because why would they come to this small town?
And it's like, okay, you know, that's one way to think about it.
But we have seen Antifa go to small towns.
We have seen riots in small towns.
And the idea behind that is, in order to inflict maximum terror, if you're engaged in political violence, you have to go to small towns because people feel safe when they're far away from the cities.
If the riots and the attacks are happening in small towns, So that was the logic around why far-left extremists were going to these towns.
It's the logic behind why a terrorist would attack a small town to make sure that everyone feels terrified of it.
But I don't know.
I mean, either way, this looks like terror.
It was at a courthouse.
I think that instantly qualifies it.
A church, possibly.
But a church could be... I suppose both could be personal.
Like, a guy didn't like an employee at either of these places.
But who knows?
I'll put it this way.
Let's jump to this next segment.
We'll just say this.
World War 3 is racing Civil War.
Because while we're hearing about stories in like West Virginia about bombs, we have this one.
A murder in Russia.
I'm sure many of you have already heard.
I believe it was Saturday, Saturday evening.
Alexander Dugin's daughter was assassinated.
in a car bombing.
Now, initially, they said it was meant for him.
For those that aren't familiar with Dugin, he is a highly influential philosopher, nationalist in Russia.
He's been referred to as Putin's brain or his spirit guide or the spirit guide of Ukrainian invasion, all of those things.
Well, simultaneously, some have also downplayed his influence in the Russian government.
He's not explicitly a member of Putin's inner circle or anything like that.
The Atlantic writes about it.
Why an assassination in Moscow matters to Ukraine and the West by Tom Nichols.
Oh, we love this guy, huh?
He calls him a Russian fascist.
The daughter of a prominent Russian fascist was killed in a car bombing in Moscow.
Most Americans have no idea who the Dugin family is, but this event could have serious repercussions in Russia and Ukraine.
So, I don't want to jump the gun and say that, um...
This is World War III's Franz Ferdinand moment.
Franz Ferdinand was a, he was like a royal family guy, right?
ian crossland
The Archduke.
tim pool
Yeah, and so when they killed him, like, you pissed off someone's family member, and then they all go to war with
each other.
This is like an influential guy in Russia's daughter.
But then I want to point out, too, the counterpoint there is, while for those reasons it may not be the catalyst for
an escalation, we're also in the influence era.
We're in the, you know, the influence economy.
So it is not necessarily politicians or royal family that have the most influence.
Kim Kardashian has more influence than every single politician.
And so something Someone who's that influential has more social credit than a politician, something affecting them will matter more.
So the way I described it earlier today, if they had killed Dugin, I think the impact would have been substantially less.
People in the Russian government would be like, this is horrifying, I can't believe they did this.
Instead, they killed Dugin's daughter, whoever did it.
It was reported by Russian authorities, CNN repeated the reporting, that they were observing the vehicle and remotely detonated it.
They chose to detonate it.
It wasn't like she turned the car and it went off.
Someone pressed the button.
So, presumably, they knew it was her.
This is substantially worse.
Because Dugan is the man of influence, and now all of that pain that he has will be channeled into the influence he uses, and it will be heard over and over and over again by all of his followers, and his followers that are in the government.
So this has now given him a reason to call for more war, more retribution, more anger, and he will drive that to his followers.
ian crossland
On its, I don't know, on its face it looks like Ukrainians killed Dugin's daughter as retaliation for the war in Ukraine.
But I was reading an article and they were like, ah false, this is a, this is a textbook Russian false flag, could be a textbook Russian false flag operation.
And then I started picturing like a conversation between Dugin and Putin and Dugin's like, I would give everything for this country, Vladimir, everything!
And Vladimir's like, you would give everything?
And he's like, yeah, I would.
And then Putin's like, all right, well, then I'll kill his daughter, because he just, he, and I don't even feel guilty about it, because he already said he'd sacrifice everything for it, so.
tim pool
Reportedly, he has said things about sacrificing everything for the cause and things like that, but to this extent, I would just say, It is the simple solution that they blew up his car, and it was the wrong person.
It's the simple solution that this guy is a nationalist, powerful influencer, and they wanted him gone.
I mean, he's an influential guy.
I mean, people in the West have interviewed him.
His ideas have spread all across Europe.
Not saying they're completely dominant across Europe, but a lot of people have listened to this guy.
And if you take a look at the expansion of right-wing nationalism across Europe, Well, there are certainly many people who don't like nationalism, or the right, who would look at him as one of the key components of pushing those ideas.
So, Occam's razor would suggest, in the absence of evidence, the solution that makes the least amount of assumptions, that's it.
Anti-internationalist forces, probably Ukrainian, targeted him in Moscow.
Killed his daughter.
I'll put it this way too.
The reason it's simple solution that it's Ukraine.
I'm not trying to blame them to call them any names or anything, but to point out it's probably them.
When you are the weaker fighting force, typically you see these groups engage in more terroristic activities and targeted assassinations and things like things like this, because it's the best they could do in the conflict.
For Russia, they're looking at a conventional war.
You go in, send in the tanks, send in the troops, drop the bombs.
For Ukraine, which is, I think, like the poorest country in Europe, and it's like the only country to get poor after the fall of Soviet Union, they're thinking, we have to do whatever it takes, and we don't have much capabilities.
Guerrilla warfare it is.
Hit them in Moscow.
That seems to make more sense.
ian crossland
It's the simplest solution for sure, but in war propaganda, they will use the simplest solution against you to make you think that that's what it is.
hannah claire brimelow
I think if they had assassinated Dugan outright they would have risked a more serious retribution from Putin.
tim pool
I disagree.
hannah claire brimelow
Well my thought here is that his daughter, Dugan's daughter, was involved in his influence and she was also seen like not on the international level that she was but within the country she is an advocate for his policies of belief so in some way they are maybe Effectively hurting the morale of the Russian people by targeting, by choosing to detonate the car when she was in it as opposed to him, while still being able to like say it wasn't quite as aggressive as outright detonating, you know, this person who has tremendous influence in a relationship with the nation's president.
tim pool
The one thing that I would say that is a counterpoint that suggests it may actually be a false flag, or, you know, Russians doing this, because we actually have a story here.
I mean, let me pull this up from Daily Mail.
Car bomb attack on Putin's Rasputin, who Vladimir deemed uncontrollable, has all the hallmarks of a Russian GRU execution because military spy group often include a target's family.
I don't see why they would go after Dugin, they're saying, because the Kremlin deemed him unruly.
The one thing I would say that makes me think it could be a false flag, although I don't think it is, Getting his daughter was the worst possible thing you can do in terms of escalation.
So to disagree with you a bit, Dugan's voice would be lost if he died.
If your goal was to amplify his message of nationalism, and get a martyr, you'd go after his daughter.
Because now you've got a martyr, someone who holds the same ideas as him,
who speaks the same ideas, who is considered by the West a propagandist,
who is considered by Russia as a journalist.
You get your martyr, you keep Dugin's voice.
You amplify Dugin's voice with a major story about how he's now a victim targeted by the excesses of the West.
Now you've exemplified his message, amplified his message, and created a martyr all at the same time.
It's the worst possible thing for escalation.
ian crossland
Well, unless you're Putin and you want to get the Russian people excited about attacking Ukraine, because if they think... That's exactly what I'm saying.
tim pool
I don't think it's true.
Look, I'm seeing a lot of these Democrats, they're like, he killed his own daughter.
And I'm like, that's nuts.
That's crisis actor level conspiracy nonsense.
Sorry, dude.
Unless you can come out and show me a video of him planting the bomb or whatever, I'm not going to believe he killed his own daughter.
That's insane.
ian crossland
I'm picturing Putin going to Alexander and being like, I'm so sorry about your daughter and then making full eye contact and Alexander knowing that Putin killed her and just look at Adam like, thank you, sir.
And they both know.
hannah claire brimelow
It's just too Hollywood to me.
tim pool
Exactly.
hannah claire brimelow
I don't think that that's realistic.
I think in some ways we believe that Vladimir Putin, and for good reason, is like an intense leader who has committed crimes that like the West finds horrifying.
But I don't think that There would be any benefit, especially if we already think this guy is unruly, then like being like, and then I killed your daughter, like, they deemed him unruly, how do we know he's not gonna flip and be like, I hate Putin now, you know what I mean?
Like, it doesn't do anything for Putin to try and antagonize or play with a variable that isn't dependable, if they really do believe he's unruly.
I think that I mean, to me, the most straightforward answer is, like, this was an attempted assassination.
I haven't read enough to know where Dugan was in relation to the car.
Was he even there?
To me, it makes more sense that they are trying to both be aggressive and also passive-aggressive at the same time, and they see taking out his daughter as an aggressive move while still being able to say, well, we're not the aggressors in this war.
tim pool
So to your point, Ian, you're saying, you know, it's like you're imagining Putin looking me in the eyes, and it's very Hollywood-esque.
My counterpoint to that would be, The reality is likely some fat middle-aged Ukrainian dude with a couple bombs like waddling over to the car and then like slapping it with duct tape and then walking away and then waiting for it again and then pressing a button and going oh and like running away like scraggly dudes no like I'm not imagining you know spetsnaz like commandos like going in and like the earpieces and they're like do it and then it's probably it's probably it's roguish it's guerrilla stuff it's probably like hobo looking dudes you know who are angry who are zealous and
Probably Ukrainian.
hannah claire brimelow
And there are a fair number of Ukrainians who have gone to Russia since the start of the war.
So there is a Ukrainian population within the country.
I mean, I assume some are there because they want to be and some are there maybe because they had to go.
But Russia is not insulated from having Ukrainian actors be within its boundaries.
ian crossland
I don't, I will not decide.
I don't even like the word probable now because war fog is so, it's ripe for disillusionment and you want to trick people and you want to create that.
So the most obvious answer a lot of times in war is not the right answer.
The open field that looks like the best path is probably the kill zone.
So you don't want to go through it kind of thing.
And I'm gonna wait and see if they use this as a reason to go harder in Ukraine, then that's like, well... Russia is saying Ukraine did it.
tim pool
Of course.
Someone just super chatted, in the pale moonlight, Tim.
You guys know what that's a reference to?
unidentified
No?
tim pool
No Star Trek fans?
For shame.
Deep Space Nine.
In the pale moonlight.
Brilliant television.
Spoiler alert.
Spoiler alert.
It's like a 30 year old show, but I'm gonna spoil it for you.
Benjamin Sisko is the commander of an outpost for the Federation, the Star Trek.
A war breaks out.
The Federation, which is the main characters, are being defeated by... they're slowly being pushed back, and they're losing the war to the Dominion.
There's another race called the Romulans, and they're typically... there's an armistice between the Federation and the Romulans.
They hate each other.
They go to them and say, you have to join the war on our side.
Otherwise, after we're defeated, the Dominion will come and crush you.
And they're like, no, they won't.
And we don't care.
We can handle ourselves.
So the commander stages a false flag where he blows up a senator in a spaceship and plants evidence to make it seem, I could be getting this wrong, but something like this, makes it seem like the Dominion did it, forcing the Romulans to join the war on the side of the Federation.
Now that we've gotten the fictional fun writing out of the way, there's a very real possibility that the goal here was a false flag and it was to rally the Russian people saying, look, they killed this young woman.
She was 29 years old.
They're targeting our children.
This is horrible.
We need your support in this war.
And depending on what you read, Western propaganda says Ukraine's winning.
Eastern propaganda says Ukraine's losing.
Who knows, man?
ian crossland
It's such a war.
It's an emotional assassination.
That was not a tactical assassination.
That didn't take out a leader or military command or anything.
tim pool
And car bombs are crude.
Yeah, super, super crude and a lot of collateral damage.
It was not a surgical maneuver.
ian crossland
Well, I'm shocked that they would claim that anyone has done it, that they would deign to act like they know who did it.
And if they do know who did it, how do they know who did it?
I wanna know.
tim pool
It doesn't matter.
And that's ultimately what it comes down to.
It doesn't matter who did.
You know why?
Because in the East, they're gonna say, in Russia, in China, they're gonna say it was the Ukrainians, it was NATO.
In the West, they're posting all over Twitter that it was a false flag, that Dugin killed his own daughter, because they have to.
hannah claire brimelow
Because both sides have to- There's a narrative they have to keep up.
tim pool
Yup.
And in the end, we'll just be left wondering what actually happened.
The good news is, whoever wins will tell us.
hannah claire brimelow
For sure, honestly.
They'll give us the whole story.
ian crossland
They'll write the history for us, the history books, and then they'll let us read them.
hannah claire brimelow
With all the details, don't even worry about it.
ian crossland
Do you think that the Russians are going to just end up taking the eastern part of Ukraine, get access to the Red Sea, and then it'll be over?
dr joseph ladapo
I don't know.
unidentified
I mean, I think I agree that the part that is interesting, wouldn't it be nice to actually know what happened?
Yes.
tim pool
And not, of course, it doesn't even end with this, right?
unidentified
opinions on Russia and Ukraine.
dr joseph ladapo
I mean, I think I agree that the part that is interesting, wouldn't it be nice to actually know what happened?
hannah claire brimelow
Yes.
dr joseph ladapo
It would be nice to know.
And not, of course, it doesn't even end with this, right?
There's so many examples in history where it's still unclear what exactly happened, who gained,
who lost, who was behind, sort of who was pulling the strings to create a series of events.
It certainly does have the feel of that, that, you know, not an accident.
I mean, it could have been, and I agree that that's sort of the simplest answer, you know, Occam's razor.
But, boy, it seems awfully dastardly to just have a simple explanation.
tim pool
Let's jump to another hard segue and jump back to the medical stuff.
It was a bit tough, I'll just, you know, as an aside, because we've got, you know, obviously big stories with Fauci's resignation, but also the war, and they're, like, very distinct, and so, like, trying to segue between them is not really possible.
But we'll jump to this one from the post-millennial.
Seattle Children's Hospital offers medicalized gender transition to nine-year-olds.
Quote, we accept new patients ages 9 to 16, the site reads, patients ages 17 and older, and patients who have not yet started puberty will be directed to community resources.
This is part of a long-standing story.
A long chain of stories.
Boston Children's Hospital.
Big controversy surrounding that.
The media claiming there's threats going their way.
You've got, I think now, a hospital in Chicago performing these transitions for minors.
And now we have the latest story from Post Millennial that Seattle is doing the same thing.
I know that...
There was recently a board review in Florida.
The medical board did a review of sex change operations for children and medical and other transitions.
I should probably just throw it to you, Joe.
You probably know better.
What's going on with Florida as it pertains to child gender transition?
dr joseph ladapo
Well, you know, Florida is taking an unequivocal stand that is just there with the data.
It's not very dissimilar.
It's actually worse in terms of evidence.
You know, we had the mass discussion previously.
At least a study showed, you know, a reduction from 12% to 11%, which is a 10% reduction.
I mean, if you really think that that's enough to force people to do things, you know, we can have a conversation about that.
But in this case, the data, you know, the data are even, they're just, they're incredibly weak.
I mean, there's basically, and it speaks to dishonesty.
So the CDC quotes that extremely unimpressive mask study and says, oh, this shows that you can actually reduce community transmission.
And so, you know, which, like, to someone who looked at it, they would say, that doesn't make sense.
In this case, it's the same thing.
The data, you know, people, advocates say that, oh, this is the standard of care and it helps people, you know, it makes them less likely to commit suicide and things like that.
But the data actually don't show that at all.
tim pool
So for, we did a members only segment where we read detransitioner statements.
And there were a lot of teenage women, because I think it's like overwhelmingly teenage girls who are getting these surgeries, double mastectomies and things like that.
At least there was actually one study from the NIH we pulled up showing that 90% of what they reviewed were double mastectomies on females.
And the average age I think was like 15 or something like that.
So we read these stories where they're suicidal.
It's horrifying.
unidentified
Go ahead.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I mean, like the idea here is, I think there's something happening.
I do.
I think gender dysphoria is real.
I think there are kids who are transgender.
And I think we have to pay attention to, there was one article I read last week from Psychology Today.
A PhD researcher saying, we know that phthalates and PCBs are hormone disruptors.
He cited a study showing that certain birth control had a masculinizing effect on female fetuses, on their brains, and it resulted in women who preferred the company of women and did not prefer child-rearing and things like that.
And so that point was, there's an environmental factor coming from the chemicals and the pharmaceuticals we use that is likely contributing to this.
I think that's true.
I mean, I think even Alex Jones has pointed that out.
He was mocked for it when he talked about atrazine.
And so I think the result there is, okay, we need to figure that out.
Stop that.
But this does mean there are going to be trans kids.
And how do we effectively solve for this problem?
How do we make sure these kids are going to be happy, healthy, not suicidal?
And the issue seems to be The accepted medical treatment across the country in the United States is at odds with what Europe is now doing, with the Scandinavian countries who have rejected all of this stuff.
And the end result for a lot of these people, I'm not saying all of them, we're seeing them post online saying after undergoing these surgeries and these medical treatments, they are worse than they were before.
That's a scary outcome.
And we want to prevent that.
We want to make sure that kids who are suffering from dysphoria or whatever the issue may be, hormone disruptors, be it the case, how do we help them when you've got these extreme policies that are all going in one way and ignoring the science that we can see in other places?
dr joseph ladapo
No, it's a great summary.
And you're absolutely right.
There are definitely boys who feel like they're girls, girls who feel like they're boys.
There's nothing new there.
But that's a different, and I agree with you, right?
Understanding.
Trying to do what we can to understand why that is.
That's an important goal.
But that is a different issue than what to do about in terms of medical or surgical therapies and standards of professional care.
And that's the issue that Florida is focused on.
And standards of professional care, you know, it's just, I've actually, I mean, I, you know, COVID before this, like I was a mainstream doctor, researcher, very mainstream, right?
I, you know, I, Like, and I did, you know, fortunately I did well, but I was, there was nothing controversial about me.
And since COVID, it's just opened my eyes to examples of medical organizations, just completely misleading people.
And essentially in some cases lying.
In this particular case, At the end of the day, you have experimental therapies, right, that are not vitamin D. Like, these are serious.
tim pool
And real quick, not FDA approved treatments for these kids.
dr joseph ladapo
I'm not sure that, I mean, I don't know that the FDA authorizes medical therapies.
They certainly authorize drugs and devices, but I don't think that they authorize medical therapies.
tim pool
My understanding is, correct me if I'm wrong, I think you know this, Lupron is not FDA approved.
It's off-label use as a puberty blocker.
hannah claire brimelow
That's what I have heard.
I don't know if I'm correct there.
dr joseph ladapo
I believe that's correct.
tim pool
My point is, this is really fun to point out.
Lupron is... Someone want to check that real quick?
I want to make sure we get this right.
Because my understanding is it is an off-label use as a puberty blocker in kids.
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, off-label is not actually... That's not a big deal.
Doctors can prescribe things off-label and they do it all the time.
tim pool
Except there are some things you can't.
ian crossland
What does off-label mean?
dr joseph ladapo
Well, off-label means that, you know, the FDA, when they approve a drug, they approve it for specific indications.
If a drug company wants to expand the indications, you know, they have to provide data, give it to the FDA, and the FDA has to approve it for that new indication.
So that's how that works.
tim pool
It's off-label.
So my point here is, And without mentioning any other treatments other than this, because, you know, my point is, there are mainstream narratives that if you mention off-label use on some drugs, you're a dangerous conspiracy theorist.
Meanwhile, the narrative from the establishment is to actively promote this particular off-label use, which we are seeing ramifications of, and they're kind of devastating for a lot of these kids.
So, ultimately, I think, you mentioned it, the hypocrisy, the lies and all that, it's all here.
My question is, what is Florida doing differently?
And so I guess I wanted to get this very much at the beginning.
I watched the live stream where the medical board was discussing this.
What ended up happening with that?
dr joseph ladapo
Well, the medical board basically, you know, their task that day was to decide whether they were going to take on the issue.
Because right now, essentially, it's an unregulated space, right?
You've got different centers, you know, who are, there you go, Seattle Children's Hospital, nine years old, right?
Some hospitals, they may not see patients until they're 14 or 15.
Some refuse to do surgery or say they're not going to do surgery unless they're at least 18.
So different practices at different places.
And the Board of Medicine in Florida said that they were going to look at that.
And the goal really, in my opinion, should be that they stop these therapies.
in children who are under 18 unless there's evidence.
And I'll just say really quickly, right, people make things so complicated and confusing.
At the end of the day, right, you've got high-risk procedures, right,
puberty blockers when the brain is developing at a young age, sex change operations,
mastectomies, the risk of infertility, sterility.
High risk, not vitamin D, not other off-label drugs.
And you've got uncertain benefit.
Like no one knows, people will tell you with a straight face that they know it's gonna help.
They don't know that.
tim pool
Not just that, we have 37,000, almost 40,000 people on a forum, D-Trans,
where there are prominent posts every day of people saying they are suicidal now.
I don't want these people to feel that way I want them to be happy and healthy and we got to figure out how to help them and this certainly is not resulting in that Well, there was a woman who spoke at the Florida Board of Medicine during the public comment section.
hannah claire brimelow
Her name was, I think, Sophia Galvin, and she specifically talked about her experience, like, as a minor being encouraged, not, I don't want to say encouraged, but she was, when she decided that she wanted to transition, her school was supportive.
She was the president of their LGBT community.
She was encouraged to undergo a mastectomy.
She went on years of testosterone and was not happy or afterwards and through spiritual and personal growth ultimately decided to de-transition and is now a really strong advocate against this.
I thought her testimony there was really powerful.
I think you're totally right.
I mean it was interesting to me That when it was, I think, the American Academy of Pediatrics decided to sort of block the issue.
They had doctors saying that they wanted to talk about it and they suppressed the motion.
All of the doctors there were pointing to studies from Europe that were like, look, I think it's Finland just went back to saying the first treatment for minors who are experiencing gender dysphoria is to go through psychotherapy.
It's not to intervene medically.
dr joseph ladapo
There's a tremendous amount of gaslighting.
Sweden this year released, they've been doing this for years, longer than we have in the United States, these gender transition therapies.
They released their equivalent of sort of the NIH released a new guidance this year and they said they're not going to do it anymore for children because they just didn't know whether they were doing more harm than good.
They literally said that, but you have doctors and some in Florida who say that, no, we know better and we're helping every patient that we see who undergoes this.
tim pool
I think, have you read about endocrine disruptors and hormone disruptors?
dr joseph ladapo
Sure.
tim pool
I'm assuming you have.
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah.
tim pool
There was one article that I read that kind of went viral.
Mentioning I mentioned it earlier.
There was a birth control women would take it and in the rare chance taking it.
They still got pregnant It was having a masculinizing effect on on their fetuses.
And if it was a female, you know, it was it was causing issues I think when you look at the the great words of Alex Jones, they're turning the freaking frogs gay and But to get more specific and not play the silly game, he was talking about, I think it's a pesticide called Atrazine, we've talked about this before.
There was a study, this was like 10 years ago I think, showing that it was interfering with the endocrine systems of frogs, turning ovaries into testes, testes into ovaries, causing population collapse.
And Alex pointed that out.
I see stories like that, and I'm like, yeah, we've long known that there are, like, hormones in our drinking water in cities, and plastics are leeching into our water, or, you know, some people have argued that soy is doing these things, although I'm not sure that's correct.
But okay, there's probably serious hormones and hormone disruptors being consumed and affecting kids who are developing.
So when Bill Maher says, they're in California, they're not in Ohio, either we're shaming them or creating them, I'm like, the argument from Bill misses a big picture there.
I mean, it's a fair point.
He's like, how come in Ohio there's not a lot of trans kids in California?
There is.
It sounds like he's making the point that it's trendy in California, and it probably is.
But my point here is, it could be that California uses specific chemicals in agriculture that Ohio doesn't, and it is causing these children to become, you know, have hormonal imbalance or disruption in utero, which results in trans kids.
That's something we absolutely need to talk about considering the science is there to show that's a possibility.
So, that being said, I think what we're seeing is a mix.
I think we're probably seeing a natural phenomenon of people who are transgender.
I think it probably naturally exists in humans, to some degree.
I think we're seeing a large uptick in trans kids, probably because of the pesticides, the chemicals, the pharmaceuticals, as these other studies have pointed out.
And I also think we're seeing social trends, which affect some kids.
So the problem is if you approach this with a one-size-fits-all, start with the surgery, then you're going to wrap up kids who do not need this and create suicidal teenagers.
We probably need to approach this and figure out what is the underlying cause of the gender dysphoria in this child.
Is it a social issue or is it a naturally, you know, a developmental issue?
dr joseph ladapo
I hear you, and I think that it's definitely an interesting scientific question, but I think it's probably not the priority.
I hear your example.
You know, the problem is, right?
You look at and I totally agree with you frankly, you know, I mean we try and eat organic as much as possible But it's it's really sad how much junk like poison really in terms of some of the pesticides and some of them are hormone disrupting and some of them increase the risk of cancer that get into food and then you've got you know, their financial interest to try and maintain a The use of these chemicals but you look at Europe and my understanding is that they don't use they don't nearly use nearly the type of the intensity of pesticides that we use and they have also seen in some areas the same explosive growth in terms particularly in girls who feel like they should be boys.
So, you know, I hear you and I think that area is important, but I don't think that's what, you know, that's not what the focus ought to be.
tim pool
You think it's social impact?
dr joseph ladapo
I think it's likely that there's a substantial social component and it's, you know, the curves in terms of the growth, it's just not really consistent with, like for example, one of the things that's been noticed is that the age of puberty was changing, right?
It was getting lower for different age groups and that was a sort of a gradual process and that's kind of how biological processes tend to be, right?
They're sort of gradual.
This has not been gradual.
This has been explosive.
And that argues less for a biological mechanism and at least, you know, substantial part of the growth.
ian crossland
But it could be that there's a critical mass of phthalates.
Phthalates are like pesticides.
We've somehow reached a critical mass.
We're like, you can eat salt, but if you get too much salt, it will kill you.
Like you can't do over salt will destroy your body.
So like if the now the levels of phthalates are, we just hit the ceiling of what we can handle.
tim pool
I'm not trying to prescribe a treatment based on the idea.
What I'm simply trying to say is that, for one, I oppose sex changes for kids.
I think you've got to be 18 before you start doing this stuff.
There is a question about, you know, the limits on when government can intervene to stop parents from engaging in certain medical treatments.
But at a certain point, you know, I'm just like values over where, you know, My values are we don't give kids sex change surgeries.
That's where it is for me, for whatever reason.
But my point is, there's likely a natural phenomenon of causing gender dysphoria.
Now, I'm not saying we should be giving kids sex change surgeries because of it.
We clearly look at the Scandinavian countries, they're not doing that anymore.
But I think the issue of the social factor is also obviously playing a role, whether it's, you know, you're saying it's explosive, so that's likely the case.
Either way, that's evidence enough that we should not be doing this to kids.
To Ian's point, I think it's entirely possible there's a combination of, we were seeing hormone disruptors in our food supply, plastics or whatever, increasing, but also serious social discouragement from anyone mentioning it.
So it could be.
You know, the left says there's always been trans people, and the reason there's a massive explosion of them is because now it's finally okay for them to speak up.
It's like, it could actually be both.
It could be that in the past 10 years, past 20 years, we've massively increased the amount of PCBs, phthalates, what is it, polychloride something?
I don't know.
We've dramatically increased certain hormones, pharmaceuticals, plastics, and other things
into our food supply that is, they're hormone disruptors.
But the people who grew up experiencing that didn't say anything because it was not socially
acceptable now that it is.
All of a sudden now there's a perception that among the left it's only happening because
it's acceptable.
ian crossland
These are PCBs or polychlorinated biphenyls.
tim pool
There you go, the biphenyls.
hannah claire brimelow
I mean for me some of this just makes me have more questions about like reproduction and
human fertility because if we do believe there's a genetic link or an environmental disruption
that occurs, where does it come from?
Is it because you have moms like a generation of moms who've been on birth control for longer and that disrupts their hormones which disrupts how their fetus I mean I don't know anything about medical science so this is all speculation on my part.
I defer to the doctor but I wonder if Ultimately, we just don't know what causes any of these issues because we are not studying it holistically.
Like, we are looking at it as social intervention when they reach school, but what if this is something that has to do with mom's nutrition?
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, and you know what?
I'm gonna backpedal a little bit.
So, what you said earlier resonates with me in terms of, you know, in terms of attention on studying it.
And I'll tell you that, just to your point, one of the problems, right, with these hot-button issues is that it becomes taboo to even ask the questions, right?
And that's a problem.
ian crossland
Yep.
Looking at what I do know is that pharmaceutical companies are administering for-profit surgeries and chemicals in reaction to whatever is happening.
That's very apparent to me.
For-profit medical industry.
hannah claire brimelow
There's no incentive to not encourage it.
If you have kids that you're treating for more and more things, plus when you go on hormones, there are side effects, you take more medication.
I mean, like, this becomes a mass industry in and of itself.
Why would you discourage it if you are a pharmaceutical person?
Not to be too conspiratorial.
dr joseph ladapo
Oh, there's no conspiracy about pharmaceutical companies pursuing profit over everything else.
It is well documented.
hannah claire brimelow
We've heard it from a doctor.
tim pool
Well, we pointed out there's an article about Goldman Sachs.
They said they were advising pharmaceutical companies.
I think, I could be wrong because we don't have the article pulled up, but they were saying curing diseases is not a long-term, you know, financial gain for us.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that like you're better off just treating the symptoms and letting people stay sick, which is just so horrifying.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, it's like, I don't want to call them medical companies anymore.
I want to call it because the real medicine, in my opinion, is food.
Like if you're eating the right diet, you know, that's what Hippocrates said, the first doctor, let food be thy medicine.
tim pool
Let me ask you this.
Why do you think it is that testosterone levels are dropping so significantly in the male population?
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, and it's true, right?
First of all, that's been documented.
This might be a good time to mention, by the way, that there was a study that came out in a good journal about reproductive health and hormones that followed some men after they underwent COVID-19 vaccination with one of the mRNA vaccines.
And that was followed by a decrease in sperm count and in sperm motility.
And it didn't fully...
tim pool
They said temporary.
dr joseph ladapo
It didn't.
So that was really nice wording.
If you looked at the table, and this is, again, this is like my space, right?
And the space of a lot of my colleagues that I work with.
So if you pull up that study that was published a few months ago, and you look at the table,
doesn't look fully temporary.
So, the levels at, I can't remember whether it was 12 weeks afterward, the measures are still lower than baseline and at least one of the cells in the, one of the areas in the table was substantially lower than baseline.
So anyway, I digress.
tim pool
I will just, I'll state, just because we segment, we create segments, so previous statements won't be heard in this one.
We've got to be careful about single studies.
When one study comes out and shows something, you need way more than that before you can draw heavy conclusions as to what they mean, correct?
dr joseph ladapo
Well, you do need to be careful.
In this particular study, it seemed like it was done well.
There was another study that was done earlier in the pandemic.
They concluded that there wasn't a difference in sperm function or sperm count.
So, that's true.
Ultimately, the truth is one of those studies is accurate.
I think from what I've seen, there probably is a decrement in the activity and the counts of the sperms.
Coming back to your point, in terms of these testosterone, So that fits the pattern of something that isn't environmental, some environmental exposure.
And we have a lot of them.
So, you know, why is it?
I don't know, but it does fit the pattern of, you know, a sort of non-natural phenomenon.
tim pool
But, you know, could it be social?
So, uh, men aren't chopping lumber anymore.
I mean, physical exercise increases testosterone, right?
dr joseph ladapo
It, I do believe it does, but more in older men.
tim pool
Really?
dr joseph ladapo
I'm not sure about, I'm not sure if it increases testosterone, if it's related to testosterone levels in younger men.
I'm not sure.
ian crossland
What about hunching over, staring at a computer screen, drinking Pepsi?
unidentified
12 hours a day.
dr joseph ladapo
You know, you joke around, but guys, that's actually, I mean, that's a legitimate question, right?
I mean, you know, to give one example, I don't know if this is correct, but If this is true, but some, you know, I've read, for example, that the increase in people with nearsightedness is related to, you know, the fact that we are looking at screens more and kind of doing close stuff instead of looking things further away or hunting or whatever.
So, no, I don't, I mean, it's funny, but something real is happening.
Those testosterone levels are substantially lower than they were in the past.
tim pool
Have you seen the infamous Try Guys video?
dr joseph ladapo
Which infamous one?
I don't know which.
hannah claire brimelow
Where they get their testosterone tested?
tim pool
Yeah, they get their testosterone levels checked and they have the testosterone, they're like, how old are they in their 20s?
hannah claire brimelow
I think they're all late 20s, maybe early 30s at the time.
tim pool
And their testosterone levels were equal to 80 year old men.
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, I don't, I'm, I, yeah.
Okay.
ian crossland
You know, from the top looking down, if someone's in the computer all day, that's kind of like them telling biology, you're not going to need my sperm.
I am a machine.
I'm an electronic organism.
I'm going to plant my brain in a machine.
And when I'm 30, it doesn't matter.
You don't need me anyway.
My, so the body's just like, I mean, obviously this guy's not interacting with women.
He doesn't need to be producing testosterone.
He's getting, are you telling us something?
Hey, I love my girlfriend.
dr joseph ladapo
All right.
ian crossland
She plays video games too.
But yeah, I am telling you something.
When I started doing YouTube and making videos, I threw World of Warcraft away.
I broke the CD and tossed it in the gutter because I had a massive video game addiction.
And for two years I didn't touch them.
And I created the most amazing career.
And created some of the best friendships of my life to this day.
tim pool
Getting off it.
On video games?
Off video games.
ian crossland
It was all off.
YouTube became my video game.
Interacting with people became my video game.
hannah claire brimelow
So there's no understanding of why testosterone levels are dropping, really?
dr joseph ladapo
I wish I'd studied it better.
hannah claire brimelow
Prepared for your quiz today?
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah.
No, I just, it's not an area I've studied.
I wish I had, and it isn't important.
tim pool
What do you think?
Like dudes are going to become shorter, weaker, less muscle mass, less bone density.
dr joseph ladapo
I think it's probably not a good thing that testosterone levels are, you know, are falling.
tim pool
I see, I see this, I see this meme all the time that says the Y chromosome is disappearing.
Have you heard that?
dr joseph ladapo
I haven't heard that.
tim pool
So I think it's feminists misunderstanding what the science actually is, obviously.
But it's that males, so I was reading about it, males evolve faster than females, in humans at least.
And or should I say, I should say this is a related to the greater male variability hypothesis.
Are you familiar with that one?
dr joseph ladapo
No, I'm not.
I'm not at all.
tim pool
This one is a greater male variability hypothesis states that among men, there'll be a greater variation in physical traits as opposed to women.
And that's because, you know, men, the best, the strongest, the most successful will reproduce with the women, right?
And so if you have a wide, if you have zero IQ to a thousand IQ, That wide range allows the best of the best to have stronger and better children and to try and fight, you know, fight for the women and then women can choose whichever man is better or the, you know, depending on what year it is, if it's the caveman era, it's not so pretty for the women.
But so, in that, the idea basically is, I forgot what I was starting on, now that we're talking about greater males.
The idea is that among the greater variability of males, the Y chromosome changes substantially.
So, you know, to create a higher chance of mutations and alterations in the human body.
And then the failure mutations cease to exist, die off, don't have kids.
The successful mutations end up having kids.
Feminists have taken this to say, oh, because the Y chromosome is smaller now than it was before or whatever, that means men will eventually disappear instead of, well, the reality is it could get bigger and larger and just come back in force.
Who knows?
hannah claire brimelow
I'll miss you guys when you all disappear.
I have really enjoyed it.
tim pool
We're alive now.
ian crossland
We'll be on Mars.
tim pool
So we're not just gonna die.
And you're not gonna be immortal.
Or maybe, I don't know.
unidentified
Maybe we'll all be immortals.
hannah claire brimelow
That sounds like awful.
There are no, like it's just a bunch of women.
We're in the Oceans movie all over again.
tim pool
They'll live in New York and it's basically that already, isn't it?
hannah claire brimelow
Pass.
Not for me.
dr joseph ladapo
You know, I'll tell you that I haven't heard of, I'm not familiar with that sort of theory.
I'll tell you what kind of along the same lines is concerning are individuals who believe that the differences between boys and girls don't have a natural root.
And I've read these people's writings and they're just completely, they're disconnected from reality because boys and girls are different.
tim pool
Oh don't get me started man, you know.
hannah claire brimelow
I read this study once that said at birth, like within 24 hours, female infants and male infants react to things differently.
Like female infants are much more interested in faces and male infants are much more likely to be looking at like what's beeping.
I just watched a video on Instagram.
tim pool
I would think of a seven-year-old doing a 900 on a skateboard.
Maybe it was nine.
I don't know.
Either way, he was in the single digits of age.
A nine-year-old boy, a seven-year-old boy, just a tiny little kid.
Tiny.
The board was as tall as he was.
And it was one of the just most amazing... So for those unfamiliar with skateboarding, 900 is like a legit, seriously difficult maneuver.
It was first done in 1999 by Tony Hawk.
It was considered a huge moment in the history of skateboarding.
And then the second one was landed, you know, like 10 years later, I think it was something like that.
Maybe it was like eight years later or something.
But then the first 1080, which is three complete rotations, was done by a 12-year-old boy.
12 year old boy.
So Tony Hawk was like 30 when he landed the first 900 which is two and a half spins Followed by a 12 year old boy to the first full three rotations adding an extra half spin to it Now you've got little kids in the single digits landing this once insane move No girls No girls.
dr joseph ladapo
That proves it!
tim pool
But I mean, it's anecdotal, but maybe it's a little bit more than that if you're doing an observational study, and you take a look at all of the ten-year-old boys and girls who have been skating for the same amount of time, and you wonder why it is that even before puberty, boys are landing historical feats in skateboarding and the girls don't come close.
And when I say don't come close, I mean with all due respect.
When you watch tennis, I couldn't tell you the difference.
If I see two guys playing tennis, I see them hitting the ball.
I see two men play tennis, I see them hitting the ball.
Don't know, because I can't see it.
You show anyone skateboarding, and you show them a 12-year-old boy jumping a 70-foot gap, then going up a 25-foot-tall wall, a half pipe, quarter pipe, and landing a 1080, 45 feet up in the air, and you're going, wow!
And then you watch the girls skate it, and they don't do it at all because it's too advanced.
And at the same age, with the same year's skateboarding, there's clearly something there.
So I researched it.
The first thing that's really obvious is fast-switch muscles as a result of prenatal testosterone, which is, as my understanding, a huge factor in muscle development.
So even before puberty.
This idea that if you give these sex changes to these children, or hormonal therapies, before they hit puberty, they can become the other, you know, at least to a greater degree, passing, whatever they want to call it.
That's all in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.
The issue is, even before puberty, from birth, there are distinct physical differences that are very obvious and discernible between males and females.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I think that's true.
I mean, you would know better than that.
I always think about this tweet that I saw and it was a dad being like, there was a there was a time and it probably still true, but when it was really big to be like, you got to you got to give your kids not like a mixed array of gender toys.
So if you have a daughter, buy her Barbies, but also buy her Tonka trucks.
And if you have a son, get him a play kitchen as well as like tools or whatever it is to encourage you know not being trapped in gender stereotypes and this dad was like oh i did it and he takes a picture and it's his daughter who has tucked her tonka trucks into bed into like a barbie bed because for whatever reason like
The trucks are her babies and she's going to take care of them and that is really inherent.
This dad is actively trying to not reinforce gender stereotypes and she's doing it anyways.
I think physiologically and in the brain there are clear differences from an early age and it is confusing for children to be told, well you shouldn't behave that way because it's sort of bad in a way that is complicated to explain to you.
I don't know why this also occurred to me.
One of the things I think about the Try Guy video when they test their testosterone, I don't know a ton about them, but I know that the only, the guy who scored the highest on the test, not that it's like a winning, but sort of winning, is the only one who's married.
And he might still be, I'm not sure, but like at the time he was the only married guy.
So, testosterone marriage correlation here?
tim pool
So the question is, was getting married what caused his testosterone to go up, or is it because he had high testosterone he got this marriage?
hannah claire brimelow
Or are our marriage rates falling because our testosterone rates are falling?
ian crossland
I think that's probably very likely.
And I attribute personally a lot to diet.
When I eat crappy, I do not feel sexy at all.
And normally I feel sexy.
Let me just get that on the table.
tim pool
I don't know though.
You look at people like Tiger Woods, wasn't he?
He was like called promiscuous or whatever.
South Park did a whole thing on it.
That was actually really funny.
I don't know if you guys ever saw that South Park episode where they're like, we don't understand why it is.
That rich, successful men are sleeping with so many women.
What's up with that?
They were confused by it.
So I actually wonder if... I don't know if the marriage thing correlates, to a certain degree.
Low T guys are probably not successful in their relationships, but I would argue that the high T guys, like what we're seeing with the...
Was it the OkCupid data that women overwhelmingly choose the top 20% of men?
So, like, the higher T guys are getting all the women.
hannah claire brimelow
They're not getting married either.
High testosterone correlates to the way you present, right?
Like, I don't know if this is true, but someone told me once that men going bald is actually a sign of high testosterone in men.
And so, like, there are things that socially we wouldn't necessarily think Think of that we are subtly picking up on the way people present or, you know, you probably can do this better.
unidentified
I don't like quoting medical advice in front of a doctor.
tim pool
Speaking from experience, the baldness thing is sensitivity to, I think, DHT.
What's DHT?
You know that better than me.
dr joseph ladapo
Was it dihydrotestosterone?
tim pool
Is that what it is?
Um, cuz you know, look, I gotta be honest.
It is.
I'm me and Brian South there are very different people.
Neither of us have hair.
ian crossland
So, you know, it's like the warrior in you like your hair is already gone.
So no one can grab it if you find yourself in combat, maybe.
dr joseph ladapo
Well, you know, I don't know.
I wear my hair short.
What I will contribute to this conversation is that we've got three boys, and we do exactly that.
You know, whatever, like, we just let them play with what they want, right?
So what some of these people believe is that, well, it's all a construct.
Boys only like, you know, they like the toy cars because that's all you give them, and girls like the dolls because that's all you give them, and obviously there are exceptions to everything.
But that is literally factually incorrect.
Yes, I think the right thing to do is to let your kids play what they want, because guess what?
That's who they are, and you can fight it as long as you want, but that will never change.
And so you ought not fight it, and you should go with whoever they are.
tim pool
There's something interesting to be said about not knowing things exist, they can't ask for it.
unidentified
Right.
dr joseph ladapo
No, yeah, exactly.
So what we do is we let them play with what they want It just so turns out that you know One of our boys likes this type of toy the other way and they all you know, they all like kind of boy stuff But um, you know, so anyway, I agree with letting them play with whatever they want Yeah.
tim pool
I think it's funny that there are like, you know, girls play with dolls and boys play with action figures.
Like, bro, they're dolls.
ian crossland
Dolls with joints.
hannah claire brimelow
I had Barbies growing up for a little while and all of my brother's G.I.
Joes would occasionally come by and either murder my Barbies or marry them.
It was really hard to tell what would happen.
ian crossland
I want to encourage people not to, well, one of the things I'm concerned with is that people will overcompensate with this conversation of testosterone and then go for the high tea, because I think a balanced tea.
You see, I think John McAfee, I don't want to put the guy on blast, John, if you're still out there, I love you, man.
tim pool
What do you mean if he's still out there?
ian crossland
If he's still alive.
unidentified
I'm prepping for this.
What's happening?
tim pool
He uploaded himself.
ian crossland
I think he was high tea, like was taking testosterone supplements.
And you could see his face was really red.
Skin is very leathery, like too much.
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah.
No, it can increase the risk of blood clots, for example.
I mean, I don't recommend that.
What I do recommend is that people eat as clean as possible in terms of avoiding the, you know, pesticides, eating as organic as possible, which, like, used to be how all food was, but now you actually have to go seek it out, and exercising, right?
You know, some resistance training, too.
I mean, you know, that's probably as good as you can do overall these days.
tim pool
All right, we're gonna go to Super Chats in like one second because YouTube keeps crashing on us, so we found a new way to read Super Chats.
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talking about COVID, Florida, their response, and a lot of that stuff.
So check that out over at TimCast.com.
But let's read some of these Super Chats.
Let me try and find the first one.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr., what's up, man?
He says, hey guys, just wanted to thank you again for having Mike Glover on IRL and Uncensored are worth a second, IRL and Uncensored are worth a second watch.
His knowledge is valuable to us all.
He was great.
hannah claire brimelow
He was so great.
He was really fun to have on.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Joe Burns says, what is it?
dr joseph ladapo
Oh, here.
Slipping that over to you.
unidentified
What is this?
dr joseph ladapo
That's why, one of the reasons I'm here.
unidentified
It's a book.
hannah claire brimelow
Are we getting some book recommendations?
dr joseph ladapo
Why, I wrote a book that's coming out tomorrow and it's one of the reasons I booked with Tim.
tim pool
Ah, Transcend Fear by Joseph Latipow.
Well, we'll get you to shout it out in a second.
Let's read some super chats.
We still have about half an hour, so we're good.
Joe Burns says, Ian, have you ever looked into nano diamond battery technology?
They're self-charging nuclear batteries which are supposed to last for thousands of years.
Interesting.
Anyway, moving on.
Let's see.
Let's grab another one.
Neil Sawyer says it deeply saddens me to see him resign.
Just make sure you let the door hit you in the tuchus on the way out, you dang ghoul.
What a terrible man.
hannah claire brimelow
I just want to know if Harvard and Yale are like, please come to our medical schools, and if that's going to be the sign that they are no longer credible institutions.
Not that they are, I'm just suggesting.
dr joseph ladapo
They're already recommending booster shots in healthy young people, so how credible is that?
tim pool
John Diaz says, Tim, lately you've been saying you guys are winning, you can beat the establishment in your vids, and I wanted to thank you because you're right!
I had lost hope, but you helped me see it.
Yeah, um, in one week, I mean, this is like the greatest white pill moment.
Liz Cheney loses her election, then we get, uh, Brian Stelter is fired from CNN, they cancel the show, you know, fired, whatever, colloquial term, or I mean, uh, opinion, let's call it that.
unidentified
He's out.
He's out.
tim pool
Severed ties with him.
Severed ties.
And then Fauci.
And then as an honorable, you know, little bump, Sam Harris outs himself as a dangerous
authoritarian lunatic and then discredits himself.
So the Sam Harris one, I think, doesn't really fit, but you get, you know, they say it comes
in threes.
Major, major victory.
I mean, Carrie Lake wins.
Hageman wins.
I mean, you gotta be looking at this and thinking, you're taking the field, you know?
So come November, go and vote.
hannah claire brimelow
I liked your idea of, like, tell all your friends you're gonna get pizza, but insist that you drive and drive them to the polls really quick.
tim pool
Stop at the local polling place.
Or, you know, you can be like, hey everybody, we're gonna go grab pizza, but make sure you bring your mail-in ballot with you.
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah.
I do get worried.
unidentified
People will do it.
hannah claire brimelow
People will do it.
I do get worried about, like, complacency.
I think that it's great to celebrate victories and let's just not back down yet, you know?
tim pool
Brandon Hampson says, Hannah Clare is worried about Tim like Squidward was worried about Mr. Krabs.
Oh no, who's gonna sign my paychecks?
hannah claire brimelow
No, I worry about Tim generally, but you guys have to admit, it would be sad if the best news site of all time, TimCast.com, could not function because Tim had brain damage.
tim pool
WuxiaGameCentral says, you really need to wear a helmet.
A car once kicked up a rock that flew at my head.
Luckily I was wearing my scooter helmet, got a concussion.
Wow.
unidentified
See?
hannah claire brimelow
Me and your mom think you should wear a helmet.
Everybody wear a helmet.
tim pool
The thing for me is, I've never hit my head before.
And I've been skating for 22 or 22 and a half years or whatever.
But recently, I've been rollerblading.
And with this, I've been going up like 8 to 9 feet on the vert wall.
And sometimes you lose your footing and you get ejected.
And then you're coming 9 feet straight down to the ground.
There was one really funny day where I went up And it's a short vert wall.
What that means is, a good vertical quarter pipe has like a foot of vert, and it's big, maybe like 13 feet.
That gives you a chance to pump up to it, and actually ride the wall before getting air.
We have a very short one, it's 7 feet, which means it stops right at the point where it goes vert.
So it's, it kind of sucks.
And so I went up it with some good speed and I accidentally kicked too hard off of the wall because you either jump a little bit before the vert or you wait till the vert.
And so I got ejected.
What that means is you're not on the wall anymore.
Now you're just nine feet in the air, headed straight down to flat ground and sideways.
So you're gonna, but I was able to bend my legs a little bit to get some forward motion and roll out of it.
And I was totally fine.
And then I didn't wear a helmet then.
hannah claire brimelow
I'm never wearing a helmet, says Tim Poole.
ian crossland
There's the trope of the warrior king that fights with his men for years and then eventually they're like, you have to go back and stay in the capital and we need you alive and smart because you're our leader.
We can't risk your life anymore.
And I think Rogan might even give you the advice of stop skating, dude.
Like he tells the fighters, stop fighting.
What?
Those head traumas?
Those CTs?
tim pool
I've never hit my head before.
ian crossland
Of course before, but you're lucky.
But my point is, if you take brain damage, you know, that's a big part of your career is your brain.
tim pool
Sounds like a you problem.
ian crossland
That's what Rogan tells his fighter buddies that are, like, have careers in media, like, stop fighting.
hannah claire brimelow
But what if Tim starts wearing a helmet and it throws off his balance and then he becomes more prone to accidents and breaks more bones?
tim pool
That actually is an issue.
If you're not used to wearing one, you know, when I was little it was really distracting and it's, like, really uncomfortable.
But I'm not really going ham anymore.
ian crossland
And fighting's not skating.
But I think the risk of head trauma is a lot smaller.
hannah claire brimelow
Do you want to weigh in as a doctor over here?
tim pool
Yeah, what do you think?
Don't take punches to the face?
dr joseph ladapo
I would recommend against punches to the face and other traumatic forces to the face.
ian crossland
Falling down?
What about falling down?
hannah claire brimelow
Don't fall down.
It's dangerous out there, guys.
tim pool
Alright, I don't know what this means, I'm gonna read it.
Bruce Maximus says, Hey y'all, I'd like to ask Dr. Latipo whether he has any stance on the seemingly artificial lack of seats in med school.
I've heard anecdotally there are some 50 qualified applicants per seat.
Cheers.
Going back to my science, uh, lab science BS.
Have you heard of that?
dr joseph ladapo
I don't know if it's, you know, if it's sort of contrived.
It is true.
I mean, medical school is ridiculous.
There are so many applications for EC.
People end up going to medical school even kind of out of the country because that's where they get in.
And it seems to be a problem that's only getting worse and the medical school classes don't expand at the, they don't seem to expand at the rate of applicants.
But it's regulated and you can run into issues.
So for example, there are only so many residency spots.
So if you have, say you double the number of medical students, well maybe half of them won't have anywhere to train when they're done with medical school.
So it's a bit of a complicated issue.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Hayden says, prediction, speculation, Fauci retiring because of fear of Republican control of Congress in January.
Biden will retire in December or January.
Harris will grant pardons to Biden's Fauci and Peter Daszak, Newsom appointed VP.
It's a bold, it's a bold speculation.
I don't, I don't think so.
You know, I'd love to believe that Biden is going to resign or retire and then something happens, but it's just... I mean, I think... I think that's an emergency card.
hannah claire brimelow
Like, if he really couldn't make it, that would make him resign.
But like, I think they're going to try and make him get through an entire first term.
I do think a second term is very clearly off the table.
tim pool
All right.
Let's grab some Super Chats.
Waffle Sensei says, Tim, do you ever spend time watching Yuri Bezmenov's long lectures?
I think you'd appreciate them.
Most people just see the twelve in an interview, but Yuri does detailed breakdowns of the stuff.
Interesting.
We should get that.
We'll play it.
I'm just... We were supposed to have the Freedomistan studio built.
Like, in March.
It was like, a year ago it was supposed to be done, then it got delayed, and then... The framing is going up, so they are building it.
Maybe in a week or two, the structure will be done, then we gotta do the internals, and it's like...
But I'm really excited for this because we'll be able to like put a big projector up and play this and just have it running in the background all day and cool stuff like that.
So I'm very much excited for all that.
That'll be great.
All right, Bill Hughes says Fauci will be retiring from the US government so he can draw that humongous pension.
He's not retiring from making money from research.
There you go, more money to be made.
He can keep working somewhere else.
You know what's probably gonna happen?
I think the real reason he's resigning, he's retiring, or he's not retiring, he's resigning, is that the pension.
But he's gonna do book tours.
He's gonna go on talk shows.
He's gonna do contributorships.
hannah claire brimelow
He's gonna feel pretty for a little while, people wanting to interview him.
tim pool
He's going to go to one of these networks and he's going to be like, $5 million and I will be a contributor to your network.
And then they're going to sign the deal with them and have him out.
Like he already does this for free though, right?
hannah claire brimelow
Do you think he has any political ambitions?
Do you think he'll try and parlay this into like being elected somewhere?
He is 81, so Bernie Sanders might object.
tim pool
Could you imagine if he ran for president?
hannah claire brimelow
No, I would really prefer he didn't.
tim pool
That'd be funny.
All right, the Old Man Time Media says, the Presbyterian Church is a liberal church.
They are pro-choice and pro-LBGT.
Interesting.
So the bombing may have been right-wing or what?
hannah claire brimelow
There are a lot of left-wing leaning churches.
I mean, I grew up Episcopalian, and the Episcopalian Church just came out in part in favor of gender-related treatments, both surgical and medical.
So I don't think that Necessarily clarifies anything.
I stand by my speculation that this was personal on some level.
tim pool
No Saint 317 says, in 2019 a man attacked Kyoto Animation Studio.
He set fire to the building and stabbed people as he ran out, killing 36 people.
Injured an additional 34.
It doesn't take much to cause havoc.
The sad reality of life is that it's really hard to build a machine and it's really easy to disrupt one.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think about that a lot.
tim pool
Yeah.
You can have this beautiful, massive machine of gears. I think about this when you watch the show,
like when you watch a show about newspaper printing, be it like an old movie or whatever,
and the machine is massive and all the newspapers are being printed in full speed,
and then someone takes a paperclip into one gear, then the whole thing just shuts down.
It's just so crazy. Life is delicate.
Yep, yep.
Hard to build.
Easy to knock down, man.
Aroftis of Stett.
Aroftis, it says.
In the pale moonlight, Tim.
Stay safe.
I wanted to shout him out because I mentioned that during the show.
That's the Star Trek DS9 episode I highly recommend.
OMG Puppy says, I don't think Dugan and Putin have even met.
He advocates for a multipolar world that preserves the traditions of every civilization.
He attacks fascism, communism, and liberalism as 20th century failures.
Interesting.
Devin Garden says, Dugan was there when the bomb went off.
I watched a video yesterday of him looking at the burning wreckage in shock and horror.
Yeah, I saw that.
The photo is all over the place.
The photo and the video.
All right.
Doug Ripley says, General Latipo, what is Ron DeSantis like to work for?
Why would he make a good POTUS?
And who else in your field would he recommend go on IRL?
dr joseph ladapo
Well he's, I enjoy working for him and frankly part of the reason is that it feels more like, I mean I don't know that I've ever felt like I'm working for him.
I feel like I'm working with him.
So that's, that's been fun.
I mean it's been, it's been fun.
He doesn't try and sort of manage or micromanage.
He's really about getting the job done.
That's just his focus is the outcome and and not sort of the kind of the the political stuff that Seems to you know that mostly dominates politics in terms of how how politicians Carry themselves and what they do.
So it's been a lot of fun working with him.
I I mean I think he is, like I said, he cares about the outcome and it would be great to have someone, it's great to have him and that's why he's been so successful in Florida is that he actually cares about the outcome and doesn't care what people are going to think about unpopular opinions or names they're going to call him or things like that.
Those are great qualities and those are really great qualities for a leader.
tim pool
Right on.
Notre Dame says, the bombing is similar to the IRA.
They believed the British were occupying Ireland, and after much escalation, it resulted in car bombings in London.
London, man, that's crazy.
Yeah, I've been to Northern Ireland.
I've never been to the, to Dublin or, you know, I guess would you call it just Ireland?
Northern Ireland?
hannah claire brimelow
The regular part.
tim pool
Regular Ireland.
ian crossland
The Ireland.
tim pool
Regular Ireland.
Yeah, just, just Belfast.
Beautiful.
Great place.
Crazy seeing all the stuff, man.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
AJ Cook says, dude, you need to turn on notifications for RWA on Twitter.
Russian government has already released a video of a suspect.
Hot blonde.
What is this?
Not scraggly bearded dude.
Interesting.
A hot blonde German ideology girl.
I'll take a look at it.
ian crossland
It's in German.
unidentified
Wow.
hannah claire brimelow
Feminism.
unidentified
Love it.
ian crossland
Could be a German person.
That's what I was thinking earlier in the show, but I'm like, I'm not gonna start naming countries.
That's too, you know, it's ridiculous.
tim pool
New T2 says, Chicken Ian is the best.
We love him.
All right.
unidentified
Yeah, he is.
tim pool
What do we got here?
ian crossland
He's the best chicken.
tim pool
The best chicken.
ian crossland
The greatest chicken.
tim pool
The Maladraw Mama says a division of the Presbyterian Church is progressive within realm of reason for unstable MAGA person to target.
Don't know how, why, if connected to federal building.
hannah claire brimelow
I stand by that one is far away and there are other liberal churches much closer.
tim pool
Liberal churches?
hannah claire brimelow
I mean churches that have liberal factions and like I said there's an Episcopalian church within close proximity.
You have to like you have to look at the map but like if the federal building is close to what's called like a center of town and there are 10 churches close by there you have to travel 20 minutes on foot three minutes by car to this other church.
Again, that feels more pointed.
It feels more specific.
It could be because of ideology.
I'm not saying that, but it does feel like if you were against churches that had left-leaning ideology, you could have picked one closer to the other place and made a faster escape.
tim pool
Noah Zork says, Tim Tay pronouns.
That's actually T-Tim Tims.
Okay, it's T-Tim Tims.
Yeah.
ian crossland
What's going on?
tim pool
My pronouns.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
T-Tim-Tims.
unidentified
I see.
tim pool
That's right.
My name is actually a pronoun.
ian crossland
Is it T-Y-M-apostrophe-S?
tim pool
Yes.
The funny thing about pronouns is, like, we use pronouns as generic placeholder words so we don't have to say your name over and over again.
But if everyone has their own, then we might as well just call you by your name.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What's the point?
hannah claire brimelow
I find myself thinking about that when I'm reporting on people.
You have to be like, okay, what names am I using?
I think it'll just be safer to use their name.
But I do wonder how long until we all start talking in the third person to just avoid all pronouns in any case at all.
That way, there's no question.
Even I. Yeah.
tim pool
And you.
hannah claire brimelow
I would just say, Hannah Clare says that this would be interesting and it would be horrible.
I don't even like talking in this way as a joke.
dr joseph ladapo
That world is not coming.
tim pool
What happens when there's two Ians in the same room?
Ian says this, Ian certainly does not.
hannah claire brimelow
It's like when you're in elementary school and has to be like, E&C and E&T and fight it out.
Are you, why do you say it's not coming?
Are you are you personally involved in the fight against pronoun and third person speech?
dr joseph ladapo
I mean, I guess in some ways, yeah.
No, I mean, you know, it's, it's, it's, you know, some of these, some of these kind of agendas, they start in one place, but they're really headed somewhere else.
And that's a, that's an example of one.
ian crossland
What if I made my pronoun we?
dr joseph ladapo
You can make your pronouns anything you want.
ian crossland
We're gonna go to the park.
We're gonna go have some food.
Stop bringing me into this.
unidentified
That way people feel obligated to go with you.
hannah claire brimelow
Like we're going to the grocery store.
Okay Ian, I guess so.
I guess we're all going.
ian crossland
It's power of suggestion.
tim pool
We are?
ian crossland
Yeah, we're gonna have a chill night, play some across the obelisk.
tim pool
And then when someone invites themselves with you, you say, what are you doing?
ian crossland
Why are you following us?
tim pool
Why are you following us?
hannah claire brimelow
We didn't invite you here!
ian crossland
Stop being confused!
tim pool
All right, Fiend V, for Joe, what is your take on the Florida medical marijuana program and possible legalization in the future, if you could speak on it?
dr joseph ladapo
Well, it's interesting.
I mean, so I, in general, Favor people, you know being able to use marijuana if they want But I wouldn't want my kids to use it and it's not The risk-free Medicaid sort of drug that it was portrayed at portrayed as initially So, I don't know if you guys saw these articles.
So the New York Times Washington Post they were all big pushers of legalization of marijuana and But just recently, like, New York Times has run multiple negative articles about it.
I don't know if you saw those.
Really?
But basically, oh yeah, in young people.
So they've run, you know, very prominent articles about how, you know, some individuals kind of develop mental illness, other harms, something called hyperemesis syndrome that we see not infrequently in the hospital.
What is that?
sort of people that use it chronically become, start throwing up, they vomit, they develop abdominal pain,
and it's kind of unstoppable.
They require hospitalizations, it's very severe.
And there are other harms associated with it.
In addition, really high quality studies have looked at the association of legalization
with things like car accidents.
And they found an association.
So, in other words, you know, the implication is that people are using it and driving and, you know, and unfortunately injuring themselves, injuring other people, having car accidents.
tim pool
Clinical study or an observational?
dr joseph ladapo
These are observational studies.
They're not all wrong.
Multiple studies have found similar findings.
So the New York Times is now acknowledging harms.
You can look it up.
They've published a few recent articles that are very negative on their use in kids.
It's totally harmful for kids.
It's not good for your brain.
So medically, I think it absolutely should be available for individuals, certainly people with pain.
And there can be a lot of challenging things, but people should realize it's not like some harmless thing.
I mean, it's, it's potentially very harmful.
ian crossland
I didn't touch it till I was 23.
And I feel like I dodged a bullet because as a kid, I, a lot of the kids I knew that did it in high school were just had hard, hard time paying attention in school.
Basically their minds, you know, your intelligence goes down, your wisdom might go up, but it's like, you really got to love what you're, Paying attention to if your wisdom's not going up if your intelligence is going down.
tim pool
No, I think that's actually an interesting point.
I agree with that, actually.
Like, wisdom is... How would you define wisdom?
What's the best way to do it?
ian crossland
Knowing that what you think you know might be wrong?
tim pool
Sort of.
I mean, the saying is that intelligence is knowing that, or was it knowledge, is knowing that a tomato is a fruit, and wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
dr joseph ladapo
No, I hear you.
I hear you.
I mean, I would say I would, you know, to get a little bit kind of, um, uh, I dunno, more medical and psychological on this, right?
So if you take a drug that reduces your inhibitions, that reduces your attachment to sort of held beliefs that you have other beliefs that, you know, that may not be true, that may be false or may be very rigid and usually rigid beliefs aren't, they're usually, there's usually something behind them.
That's not authentic when individuals have sort of rigid beliefs about things.
So when you take those away, your sort of clarity I could see, your ability to identify a belief that is more in line with who you might be or what is closer to some truth or insight, that can increase.
But that's a funky way to say that you're I don't know.
I'm thinking about this whole wisdom thing.
That's not the path to wisdom.
The path to wisdom ought not to be so expensive because it's costly.
Wait, hold on.
hannah claire brimelow
The internet says intelligence can be defined as the ability to acquire and apply information
while wisdom on the other hand is, wait hold on, intelligence is simply having knowledge
and wisdom is the ability to apply the knowledge that you have.
So maybe.
tim pool
So you're able to apply things better, like Sam Harris.
I think you said he's all knowledge and no wisdom?
ian crossland
Not that extreme, but yeah, he's got a deficit in wisdom, at least he portrayed in the video.
tim pool
No intelligence or wisdom at all.
ian crossland
Hundred zeros!
Yeah, no, it's not that extreme, but he's definitely out of balance.
hannah claire brimelow
Well, I think we all know people who can quote really interesting things or recite studies or do math in their head, but if you drop them in the middle of anywhere, they would not be able to find their way home because they have no common sense or they're just not able to use the knowledge that they have to make make their life go forward I guess.
ian crossland
I found with weed and meditation, it's a good combo, because when I would smoke, it would be, I would get, my thoughts would race, so it was more challenging to meditate, and when I could, if I could do it with THC in my system, I was way easier to do it without it, all of a sudden.
tim pool
All right, Brian Cooper says, fifth paid comment, will you read it?
Y'all are against gender surgeries, yet y'all remain quiet about circumcision.
In fact, you endorse Judaism, Tim.
I don't remember ever specifically endorsing Judaism.
Like, that sounds very strong.
I will also mention we haven't had any news stories about the prominence of political controversies surrounding circumcision, but I'm against it.
ian crossland
Oh really?
I just, it happened to me, but I mean, I don't know.
What are you, what are your, what's your experience with circumcision?
Do you think of it as like mutilation?
I mean, you're a medical doctor.
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, no, it's interesting.
So there are some areas that I've...
Yeah, I'm the father of three boys.
So there's some areas that I've studied sort of more deeply in and some that I haven't.
I just want to add one more thing about marijuana.
So there's an old paper in I think the journal Science or Cell that basically exposes brain cells to a few different chemicals.
Ketamine is one of them.
I think THC is another one.
Anyway, these chemicals are neurotoxic.
So that's just, I mean, just to kind of keep that in mind too.
Again, things that aren't really discussed, but stuff that's not great for brain cells.
With circumcision, it's interesting.
I know that there are individuals that feel very strongly that it's harmful to the development of babies.
It's definitely painful.
There's no question about that.
On the other side, there's pretty good research that shows that it reduces the risk of sexually transmitted illnesses when people get older.
So does marriage.
That also reduces it and abstinence also reduces it, Tim, while we're talking about, you know.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I just, I think it's interesting, you know, I don't, I don't see that as a, I understand it to be true.
I just don't see it as an argument for the practice.
Like, well, when he's older, he can sleep around, you know what I mean?
hannah claire brimelow
Yeah, I don't either.
I mean, I think this is kind of a uniquely American debate because we have a blend of cultures in America, whereas like if you are European, like both my parents are European-descended immigrants, you know, it's not a question because culturally it's not as normal for them.
I remember my parents like having this, telling me they would have this discussion with their friends and being like, it had never even crossed their mind to get a child circumcised because it's just culturally not normal.
ian crossland
I've got this theory that when it happens, it exposes the nerves at the end of the penis, basically, you know, and then makes people more sensitive to sex and then more aggressive.
tim pool
It actually cuts like half the nerves off.
hannah claire brimelow
Are you saying that this is where the testosterone is going?
ian crossland
I don't know.
I think it might make people more aggressive in later life because of that.
It's like a sensitive trauma that they deal with.
But you're saying it actually diminishes sensitivity?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
It was just a theory.
tim pool
Cuts most of the nerves off.
All right, Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, wisdom is not fighting an alligator underwater.
That's right.
ian crossland
But what is wisdom is not?
Yes, you have, but what is?
I like that their wisdom is the application of knowledge.
If you can, but the problem is, if you're if you don't have high intelligence, you get the knowledge wrong, and then you apply it properly, but you got the wrong piece.
tim pool
Corn says, rip Emmy.
Ian, can I get some of your love for my brother Luke for the loss of his chocolate lab?
She was a great dog.
ian crossland
Yeah, Luke, you got this.
Today's gonna be really good.
tim pool
You guys, all of that, you know what I say about losing a dog is all that pain you're feeling is all of the love for your dog being expressed all at one time.
And you're gonna remember that feeling forever.
So it's a good thing.
If you didn't feel that way when your dog passed, it would mean that your dog wasn't, you know, wasn't that important.
That feeling is like all of that love and everything just coming together at that one moment.
So it's a beautiful sadness, right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Would you, you know, the question is when you think about it like pain, it's like, Oh, okay.
Think about it this way.
We can make all that pain go away.
Just never have had the dog.
How does that sound?
And it's like, no, absolutely not.
Of course.
Right?
The pain of your dog passing, it sucks because your dog is passing, but it's a, it's a, it's a good expression.
It's, it's, it's like all the goodness is here.
You can feel it all at once.
hannah claire brimelow
Better to have loved and lost than never loved at all.
tim pool
All right, Kevin Clark says, is Tim trying to say his T levels are too high to worry about a helmet?
Or is the lack of a helmet supposed to raise his T levels?
ian crossland
Both!
tim pool
I wear half a helmet on one side of my head.
That way if I fall on one side, I get lucky, and the other side, I die.
hannah claire brimelow
Thank you, I love the gamble.
tim pool
You know, I only really wear it now when I'm going on the vert wall.
It's like, again, not the biggest vert wall.
It's just, it's seven.
So it's a seven foot vertical transition.
But if I'm like eight or nine feet up and I'm looking down, most of the time, 99.9% of the time, it's just, you're fine.
You fall, you slide or whatever.
I don't have knee pads on either though.
But you know, whatever.
Wear a helmet when you're going way up there.
Perhaps we should.
He says, hey Tim, James Shaw is running for commissioner of agriculture in Florida.
He's an organic farmer and two-way supporter running against an establishment politician.
P.S.
Did you get salty cracker on the show?
Perhaps we should.
hannah claire brimelow
Perhaps we should.
Same with New York.
tim pool
Really?
Oh, that'll be interesting.
Trump endorsed some of those New York Democrats.
Be interested to see if they can pull off a victory with his endorsement.
hannah claire brimelow
Make him proud.
tim pool
They're gonna win, and then Trump's gonna be like, my endorsements are now, you know.
hannah claire brimelow
See how great they are?
tim pool
Yeah, like, I'll get them right.
Well, he like endorsed Nader.
Garnet says, Lex Freedman got a KGB defector who became an American.
He counters Yuri Bezmenov because Yuri was in India, not in the US.
Get that guy in the show from Lex.
Oh, that'd be interesting.
All right, let's see.
We'll grab one more here from Waffle Sensei.
He says, wisdom is animal handling, insight, medicine, perception, survival, and whatever else the DM allows you to add your proficiency bonus to.
ian crossland
See, there you go.
Bluff.
Yeah, I think bluff might be a wisdom check as well.
You can tell when someone's lying and you can lie yourself.
tim pool
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Joe, do you want to shout anything out?
I hear you got a book.
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, I do.
I do.
I've written a book.
It actually comes out tomorrow, Tim, called Transcend Fear.
And it's about, you know, just really briefly, personally for me, you know, I It's like a miracle that I'm in the position that I'm in and it started with a traumatic event that I had when I was a kid and long consequences of that that went on for years.
until I fell in love with my wife and had to actually sort of face them because one
of the things about love, all of us, you know, many of us have different types of traumatic
events in our past and all of us experience daily stress and all of these things affect
how we show up in the world.
and...
And for me, when I fell in love with my wife, it was sort of like a volcano erupting because one of the things about love is that it forces things to the surface.
And so the things that don't work in your life, well, if you fall in love, you can't just kind of keep them in the closet.
And that led to, you know, sort of a journey with my wife where I was driving her nuts, and she referred me to different people, and I finally met a guy named Christopher Mayher, who's a former Navy SEAL.
And he used techniques from Chinese medicine, stuff related to meridians, stuff related to qi and the flow of energy, things that, like, and what that translated into is kind of physical manipulations, verbal stuff, lots of different things.
And I experienced a priceless transformation that basically let me do what I did in terms of the communication, the thinking, the clear thinking, other things that led to what I'm doing now and will lead to heaven knows what.
Next, but you know, but that's really the core of the book.
I talk about kind of leadership and making decisions under uncertainty and kind of how why decisions were wrong and should have been recognized as being wrong at the time they were made.
and how leaders can avoid making similar blunders that are quite costly in the future.
So that's the book.
It's called Transcend Fear.
Tim's gonna put it up on the internet thing.
You can tell that I'm a real savvy.
hannah claire brimelow
Where do you get your book?
dr joseph ladapo
Where can you order from?
You can get it from the evil Amazon or I think Barnes and Nobles and I don't know.
tim pool
The less evil Barnes and Noble.
dr joseph ladapo
Yeah, right.
tim pool
And the slightly less evil.
dr joseph ladapo
But yeah, that's right.
tim pool
Right on.
We'll put it in the clips so people can have the link.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
Yeah, sounds good.
That's awesome.
hannah claire brimelow
I definitely want to read that.
I'm Hannah-Claire Brimlow.
I'm a writer for TimCast.com.
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It's a great place to get all of your news, or at least some of it.
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And you can check me out on Instagram at HannahClaire.B.
ian crossland
You guys follow me on the internet anywhere you want to.
I'm at Ian Cross and you find me all over the place.
Hit me up there and I'll talk to you soon.
tim pool
And I'm Chris.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for hanging out everybody.
Make sure you check out this members only show over at TimCast.com.
We're gonna be recording it right now.
It should be up around 11 and this one should get really interesting.
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