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Aug. 19, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Famed Leftist CEO RESIGNS After Assault Allegations w/Will Chamberlain & Shane Cashman
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tim pool
you You know, the world may be ending.
Peter Thiel's trying to build some, like, New Zealand bunker or whatever, or resorts.
A bunch of, uh, global elites have been preparing for something, and maybe it's just because they can.
They have money.
What else you gonna buy?
So, build yourself a missile silo bunker, I guess.
Or maybe, maybe the world is ending.
Well, we will talk about that, but I kind of felt like it'd be more fun to tackle some cultural issues, because we have this story about this famous leftist CEO named Dan Price.
He's famous because he raised everyone's salaries to $70,000, and it caused a lot of issues, but also garnered a lot of attention among the left.
He is now being accused of some very serious Let's just say, Me Too.
He's been Me Too'd.
And, uh, he's been forced to resign.
And so, there's this meme, this old meme called Reset the Clock.
And that was whenever a male feminist was outed as being a predator, you'd reset the clock.
Here we go again!
So, the New York Times reported on this.
We'll talk about that.
But we got a bunch of other stories, and I'm really excited to talk about She-Hulk!
Yes, it's right, a Marvel show.
Because you guys know I love Marvel shows.
But this clip is going viral, where the She-Hulk talks about how she has to control her anger over men catcalling her, and when incompetent men tell her how to do her job.
I have a lot to say about this, but it's going viral.
I think Ben Shapiro may have talked about it as well.
It's become a cultural debate, and I actually watched She-Hulk, believe it or not.
I actually mostly liked it.
But I gotta call out this segment, we gotta talk about that.
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shane cashman
That's right.
tim pool
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Joining us to talk about this and more, we got Will Chamberlain.
will chamberlain
Thank you, Senior Counsel at the Internet Accountability Project and the Article 3 Project.
I'm really happy to be here, as always.
I don't know, I must be coming up on like seven or eight appearances.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I don't want to say who our guest was supposed to be, because we're hoping to rebook them, but we are going to get a very high-ranking official from the Trump administration, who unfortunately had to cancel on us, and we needed Will's legal expertise.
But of course, Will is still here with a lot of stuff to talk about, so I'm really excited for that.
Thanks for hanging out, friend.
We got Shane Cashman!
shane cashman
What's up?
Thanks for having me, guys.
Author and host of Tales from the Inverted World at TimCast.com exclusive.
And yeah, every Sunday at 10 right now, we're doing Ghosts from the Civil War.
Watching me have my life threatened, and I see UFOs.
That's crazy.
tim pool
Twice, right?
shane cashman
Was it twice?
Ghosts twice, yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
shane cashman
And it's been a crazy year.
tim pool
And we're gonna be launching the Inverted World Podcast, which is the conversations with people and their weird experiences, UFOs, having guests and stuff.
shane cashman
And you guys can call in.
tim pool
Yeah, call in stories.
I'm really excited for that because there's an endless number of people telling crazy stories that need to get exposure.
I don't know if I should reveal any of the stories that you've already been working on.
People have been talking about jumping dimensions and weird stuff.
shane cashman
Alternate husbands.
tim pool
Alternate husbands.
shane cashman
Missing husbands, you know, the Hadron Collider gets turned on and then a new husband might have showed up.
tim pool
Dude, these stories are crazy.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Just before the show, we were talking about like CIA advanced weaponry and stuff like that.
So I think this is gonna be a real fun conversation.
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
Ian's hanging out.
ian crossland
Hi, everybody.
Ian Crosland, musician, entertainer, actor, and Internet video pioneer.
shane cashman
Billboard model.
ian crossland
That's right.
will chamberlain
Philanthropist.
Billionaire.
Playboy.
ian crossland
All of the above.
tim pool
Crooked camera.
unidentified
Yeah, wow.
lydia smith
What happened?
Someone bumped him.
ian crossland
Who did that?
unidentified
Who did it?
tim pool
It might have been me.
lydia smith
Who done it?
unidentified
It might have been me.
lydia smith
It was Shane's fault.
unidentified
We'll get that fixed.
lydia smith
Shane's gonna fix it.
ian crossland
Well, what's up everybody?
Happy Friday!
Let's get down to brass tacks.
See if you can get my whole name in the side.
That's what I like to do.
You want to put the painting back up?
tim pool
Now we have yeah, you want to put the painting back up that one was Ian's fault and now I'm a camera
Friday we're always just like eyes half glazed over and just like ready to go
shane cashman
Got a little whiskey.
tim pool
I'm drinking whiskey.
ian crossland
Alright!
tim pool
Did you already introduce yourself?
unidentified
No, I didn't.
lydia smith
I am also here.
I'm wearing my Friday t-shirt because we are just chilling with our two regulars.
Love these two guys.
Let's get going.
tim pool
Alright, we're gonna jump to this first story, and it's from the New York Times, but we will be leading with a quote from Dan Price, posting on LinkedIn.
And he said, in the unlikely event that you are falsely accused, remember, that it will
be much easier for you to overcome false allegations than it will be for actual victims to overcome
the trauma of harassment or assault.
That being said, Dan, I suppose I'm not supposed to care at all that you are claiming these
are false allegations, but these are some crazy allegations.
So, take a look at the headline.
Social media was a CEO's bullhorn and how he lured women.
This is what you get when you pander to woke people.
Or, maybe the people who pander to these woke people are just predators.
Dan Price was applauded for paying a minimum salary of $70,000 at his Seattle company and criticizing corporate greed.
The adulation helped to hide and enable his behavior.
I'm just going to give you the gist of it.
Yo, this is crazy.
Like, they talk about how he's on The Daily Show and they did magazines with him, but apparently he's been accused of I guess of like drugging a woman?
Look at this!
Raping and drugging a victim?
On Monday, police in Palm Springs, California said they had referred Ms.
Margis' case to local prosecutors recommending a charge of rape of a drugged victim.
Prosecutors in Seattle earlier this year charged with a price with assault in another incident.
Apparently, he tried to kiss a woman, and then when she refused, he choked her?
So questions.
Is this retaliation from the woke because you can never trust them?
Or is it that if someone is willing to pander and lie to gain power, they're probably willing to do that for sex?
will chamberlain
Yeah, and there's sort of a default, like, the fakeness of nice.
Like, I actually distinguish between being nice and being kind, right?
Like, kindness is something that comes from a position of, like, strength and normalcy.
Nice, whenever you talk about nice guys, you always know that there's, like, an element of, like, deception.
shane cashman
Nefariousness.
will chamberlain
Right, like, it's sort of like, I think that people think that they put coins in the nice, it's like a vending machine, right?
They put coins in the nice button and then eventually they get to the girl they want.
ian crossland
Like a nice guy won't step on someone's toes.
A kind guy might step on your toes just to let you know your toes are in the wrong spot.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
Or like, well a kind guy just does it from a position of strength, right?
Like they have the ability to do, they could be, they have powers, but they're being kind and not using it in that way.
were as nice as like a costume like they're trying to attract women by being
like fake and they're like they think it's a game yeah I knew I knew a guy me
tim pool
and my me and this other guy we're hanging out my one friend is like you
know a Rico Suave type who's going to bars and picking up chicks and like very
proud of himself and this other guy was having trouble so I'm sitting there and
I'm kind of like passively listening and there's we'll call him guy a because I
don't want to call anybody's personal lives out but guy a is talking about how
he doesn't understand why he's always in the friend zone.
He goes on to, so, you know, Guy B, who's this suave dude, is like, tell me what you do when you go on a date.
And he explained how he's like, I always put women, I always treat them like royalty, like queens.
I ask them whatever they want, you can have.
And then, I'm listening to this and I was just like, dude, you think that comes off as sincere and nice?
Like, you're treating the person like they're not really there with you.
You're acting like they're a piece of plastic and that you're going to feed the machine quarters hoping that sex comes out.
I was like, that's not nice.
That's creepy.
will chamberlain
Yeah, and it also breeds resentment, right?
Like then they feel, because they have put in the nice coins and they don't get what they're expecting, they get super resentful and angry about it.
tim pool
It's like the kind of guy who, there's like a woman and she's got spinach in her teeth and he's like, I'm not going to say anything.
ian crossland
That's exactly what I was thinking about.
The hottest girl in the world.
If she got spinach in her teeth, tell her.
She wants to know this so she can take it out.
tim pool
But that's anybody too, like nice and kind.
It's like, if someone had gunk in their teeth, would you tell them?
I do.
I'm like, hey, you got a thing in your teeth.
And they go, oh, thanks.
shane cashman
They'll be more mad at you if you didn't tell them.
Then they find out, they're like, why didn't you tell me?
tim pool
Cause like, oh, I didn't want to put you on the spot.
I don't want to.
So, so this guy, Dan Price, I really want to talk about his business because so much of what we see coming from perceived, this really, really grinds my gears.
The idea of left versus right.
If you are a sincere person who asks a question, you're right wing.
I'll give you, I'll give you, I'll give you an example, right?
Seamus, this is one of Seamus's jokes.
He says, the left will come out and be like, we want good thing.
We want good thing.
And then a conservative will go, Okay, how should, how do we pay for a good thing?
You want bad thing!
You want bad thing!
And that's like the whole, it's like your right wing for simply being like... So we get this story of this guy Dan Price.
He raises everybody's salary.
Well, I happen to run a company and I understand how taxes work.
So my first question here, he lowers his salary from like a million bucks or something to $70,000.
And for me, alarm bells went off.
I was like, oh, bro's trying to save himself some money.
When you take profit versus compensation, they're taxed differently.
This is at least how two different accounting companies I've gone with have explained it to me, so maybe they're not correct, but this is my understanding, is that passive profit is not taxed the same way as employment, income, or direct compensation.
So when I see this, I'm like, If the dude lowers his salary, he's gonna save a lot of money in taxes.
will chamberlain
Right, that's assuming if he owns or has a major stake in the company that he's running.
tim pool
And I'm pretty sure this dude does.
ian crossland
Yeah, he does.
tim pool
Yeah, he gets profit.
So at the end of the year, if you're only paying yourself 70k, like Bezos does this.
Bezos takes an $87,000 a year salary and then gets bonuses, and then Justify to the IRS why your salary is so low, but if you're gonna get audited anyway.
So what I was told by two different accounting companies was if you're a CEO of a company with, you know, like an eight-figure revenue and then you pay yourself something like 70k, you know, you're gonna get audited in two seconds because they're like, that's bull, that's bull.
You're trying to not pay your employment taxes.
So when I saw this, I was like, well, how would you get around that?
It's ideological.
Now if they come to you and be like, hey man, that's not it at all.
I believe in fair wages for all people, and I shouldn't be making that much money in a salary.
But in profit's a different question.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
So I don't know if how much money he actually saved by doing it
He did raise the salaries of everybody in his company became a big star over it surprise surprise the dudes being
accused Again, I think there's a strong possibility. It's false
accusation I'm not I'm not gonna assume it's these are real claims
just because the guy happens to be on the left Yeah
shane cashman
all the raises he made are kind of goes back to what will is saying about kind versus nice because the raises could
have just Been the veneer of nice of kindness, right? I was really
just a nefarious niceness, right?
And now it's blowing up in his face.
tim pool
I feel like that's so much of what the left is.
I mean, I think this is what most people kind of feel, that it's performative, grifting, you know?
Maybe he did something good.
It's like, all right, you know?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But what was like, and I have to say this about Trump too, Is the reasoning behind it that important if they're actively doing something good?
Because we have to speculate as to his reasoning, but I think it's great that he's paying his staff more money.
ian crossland
I got an article from Geek Wire about this story.
He made according to you know, whatever the documents that he made nine hundred fifty thousand in
2010 nine hundred thousand in 2011, but then when he went on TV told him he made fifty thousand in 2011 when he
actually made 900,000 this was on
January and then this was with CNBC Kelly Evans is when he told her I've made probably fifty thousand
Then he later came out and was like, oh, I misspoke.
So I don't know if this guy's just full of it.
will chamberlain
He's just, he's just a creep.
He's like, he's a classic male feminist, right?
Like literally archetypal male feminist, you know, using like woke politics and like BS.
Cause he thinks that's what women want to hear.
And then when they say no, all of a sudden the fangs come out.
ian crossland
Dude, if he actually made $900,000 and told someone that he made $50,000, that's insanity.
shane cashman
He's a psychotic person.
ian crossland
Is he misleading?
He's like, my salary was only, but he knows in the back of his mind, he made $900,000 in profit.
It's really disturbing that he made that.
And he was like, let this be the last lie I ever tell.
tim pool
Apparently there were big problems when he did this too.
So like what happened was, these are just stories that I heard.
There were some employees that were making $70,000 a year because they were like an accounts manager.
And then there were some people who were in the mailroom who were getting hourly pay.
All of a sudden, these mailroom people got bumped up to the same salary as an accounts manager who saw no raise.
And then they were just like, I've been here for how long and you gave them a $50,000 a year raise and I got nothing?
And so I read, you know, it's been a long time, I could be wrong, but a bunch of people resigned saying like, it's deeply offensive that we would not receive more compensation.
But like the idea of a minimum wage meant they got nothing and the people of lower skill and lower time at the company lower seniority got Massive like two or three hundred percent raises.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I would actually be furious Complete stunt if you're one of those people making like 70 80 K for a job that you know requires a college degree And you know you've debts and things like that and then he like bumps up like the the you know intern or whatever the entry-level job up to 70 and you're like Where's my raise?
tim pool
The argument was supposed to be that's like you shouldn't be mad that someone else is making more money
That's what a lot the left was saying like what is it's not affecting you at all and it's like you got to understand
man When your company takes money from the budget and gives a
raise to everyone, but you That is like getting punched in the gut
That's crazy.
And so the idea, but it's raised to a minimum.
It's like, yeah, but like to hear that a coworker got a 500 or 300% raise and you got a zero, it's not about 70K.
It's not about a minimum.
It's about you working hard and hoping to make more money to live a better life.
And he's not doing that for you, but everybody else you are now, it's almost like they got pushed to the minimum.
So people resigned, you know, apparently.
But hey, look man, I don't care how he runs his business.
He can do whatever he wants.
Congratulations, he found a way to get a bunch of attention, make a bunch of money.
will chamberlain
Yeah, don't be a predator though.
unidentified
That's a good takeaway.
will chamberlain
I object first and foremost to the predation.
unidentified
Here, here.
will chamberlain
It's like that Norm Macdonald joke.
It's like, you know, the worst thing about Bill Cosby.
Somebody's like saying the worst thing about Bill Cosby is the hypocrisy.
And he's like, no, I thought the worst thing about Bill Cosby was, you know, the crimes.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's a thing, man.
So, you know, when I look at what, there's a guy in here, seven years running the marketing company.
will chamberlain
That's a man.
tim pool
Well, this guy, this guy, wait, I don't know.
They're both doing that.
shane cashman
It's a new man.
lydia smith
Soft person.
tim pool
Yeah, so, like, when I see people like, uh, Dan Price, I'm actually kind of like, okay, you know, like, do your thing, man, like, I'm not gonna complain about a guy, how he runs his business.
If he's getting attention for raising salaries, it's like, whatever, dude, I don't trust it, but I'm not here to rag on that, you know what I mean?
If somebody wants to do their business that way, it's, you know, just far be it from me, you know, but surprise, surprise, you know what I mean?
Like, drug, raping a drugged victim is a crazy thing to be accused of.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
Now, I'll say this too, innocent until proven guilty.
Always. Because I think it could be false. I mean, look, you're a powerful white man,
and you enter the woke fray to exploit it. I wonder if some of this stuff is they know he's
grifting off them, so they destroy him. You know, like not just his story, but other stories where
they're like, as a possibility. It also may just be, dude, imagine being like made of cheese,
and then deciding to walk into a room full of mice.
You know what I mean?
Like, like, imagine being a banana and walking to a monkey sanctuary.
will chamberlain
Look, I'm just gonna go with his advice.
I don't want to inflict trauma on his victims.
I'm just gonna believe his accuser and leave it at that.
lydia smith
That's such a sense of hubris to be like, I got this.
I'll be fine.
I'm a white guy, but I got this in the bag.
tim pool
As long as I pander to them, I'll be safe here.
shane cashman
We should know, though, that so many heroes that they prop up, eventually it's like the new hero's journey.
They end up falling.
They end up devouring themselves in the end, whether they did it or not.
It's like Louis C.K.
was one of them.
A lot of people, whether it was true or not.
tim pool
Who?
I can't.
It's crazy.
You know, so we use Parallel Economy for Timcast.
And this is co-founded by Dan Bongino.
It's censorship resistant.
Why would I use a company that hates me?
So like, you're the CEO of this company and you're like, I know.
Let's pan to the people who explicitly hate me based on my race and my gender.
And that's a good business move.
That seems like really dumb.
will chamberlain
It seems, yeah, very fragile.
shane cashman
Based in fear.
Yeah.
I think.
ian crossland
It's a desperation tactic if you were to do something like that.
That'd be like using your slave owner's weapons to break out of slavery or something.
shane cashman
Right.
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
But they only do that because that's their only option.
If you have another option, you use the company that you have relations with.
tim pool
I really want to talk about feminism right now.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
Me too.
tim pool
Let's play me too.
unidentified
Oh, all right.
tim pool
You guys ready for this one?
will chamberlain
Sure.
tim pool
Get woke, go broke.
IMDB tweets.
Ahem.
Say it louder for the people in the back.
SheHulk.
Tatiana Maslany.
You guys ready for this clip from the, it's from TikTok, but it's SheHulk.
Listen to this.
unidentified
Here's the thing, Bruce.
I'm great at controlling my anger.
I do it all the time.
When I'm catcalled in the street, when incompetent men explain my own area of expertise to me, I do it pretty much every day because if I don't I will get called emotional or difficult or I might just literally get murdered.
So I'm an expert at controlling my anger because I do it infinitely more than you.
tim pool
I love this clip for this face right here.
Spoiler alerts, I don't know how many of you wanted to watch She-Hulk, but I do.
I love watching the Marvel stuff.
I did watch a bit of Ms.
Like, I didn't watch, um, I did watch a bit of Ms. Marvel and it was awful.
It was just so awful.
So, uh, but we'll get to that in a second.
So, uh, this clip's great.
It's really, really great because as much as people are, like, mocking the clip, it is masterfully done.
It is a work of art.
It is so perfect that I was excited to see it.
And the reason is, minutes Before this scene, she is outside of a bar.
We watched it before the show so I could explain it to you guys.
And three guys are not even hollering, not even catcalling.
Like...
I was asking Shane, so the guys come out and they're like, hey, what's your name?
And she goes, I'm waiting for someone.
And it's like, well, let us keep you company.
She goes, my boyfriend's going to be here.
And he's like, oh, come on, we're just being friendly.
unidentified
She goes, Hulk's out and then gets ready to murder the dudes.
tim pool
She like winds up and then Hulk stops her from doing it.
And so I was asking Shane, I was like, was that even hollering?
Like catcalling is when you're like saying crude things.
shane cashman
Below that.
tim pool
It's below that.
shane cashman
It was working up to a pickup line, but not there yet.
tim pool
It wasn't even hollering.
Hollering bang likes up, girl, why don't you come over here?
They were just like, what's your name?
Like, let us keep you company.
And I'm like, it's almost hollering.
will chamberlain
So this is a parable about why women shouldn't have power.
unidentified
Yeah, basically.
Perhaps, perhaps.
tim pool
But this is why I think... No, no, look, look, look.
shane cashman
Clip that.
tim pool
The clip is perfect.
unidentified
There we go.
shane cashman
We got it.
tim pool
The clip is perfect.
She almost murdered these dudes.
She winds up for, like, a kick.
And we know from the show, because they show her throwing boulders and smashing a cliff with her fists, that a full force kick would have exploded these men.
Here's what else we learn.
In the show, when she hulks out with Bruce, He tries to calm her down and he's like, calm, calm.
And she goes, why are you talking to me like a child?
And he goes, wait a minute.
You're in there, and she goes, yes, and you learn that when Bruce goes Hulk, he loses his mind.
He becomes a rage monster.
When she transforms, she's fully cognitive and lucid of what she's doing, which means when she's sitting there explaining to him that she can control her anger, she's lying, she's also a dangerous, violent psychopath, and immediately after this, she says, I control my anger every day, and then she Hulks out.
And then she calms back down. And so not only is she lying about controlling her anger in two
instances here, she's lying. It's the perfect example of feminism.
Exaggerating the claim, lying about their ability to control it, and then justifying that as why they're a victim.
Brilliant!
will chamberlain
It sounds like stealth misogyny.
Like, this entire program is just, like, secretly putting forward, like, actually, yeah.
tim pool
If you, like, I'm watching this, and I see this clip going around, and they're like, say it for everyone in back, and I'm like, yeah, but the context of it is that she's lying.
Like, it's like three minutes before she says that, she tries to murder some dude.
And she's lucid.
She's aware she's doing it.
I'm like, that's feminism.
Nailed it.
shane cashman
And if they define any type of word as violence, then you can match that with violence.
So even them just approaching them saying, hey, what's up?
tim pool
That's violence.
Dude, I really love this show already.
She Hulk's the villain.
She's the bad guy.
So I'll tell you something else.
It's really good.
In Spider-Man, why do we like Spider-Man?
With great power comes great responsibility.
Man, what a message for a little kid.
Especially for those of us who want people to grow up to be responsible regardless of who they are, what they do.
Take some personal responsibility.
The story of Spider-Man.
You know, if we'll use the movie reference.
He does the wrestling match, the dude refuses to pay him.
Then the guy comes in and steals the money.
And as the burglar's running away, the guy's like, stop that man!
And Spider-Man's like, I don't see how that's my problem.
But then that guy, as he's running away, is- tries to steal a car, and he robs Uncle Ben and shoots
and kills him.
And then Spider-Man is like, if I just stopped the guy and took responsibility for my community, my uncle would have lived.
And it's like a very sad message.
In this, Hulk desperately begs her to use her powers for good and she outright refuses and says, no, it's my life and I'm going to follow my career.
And he says, there's very few people who have the power we do.
The ability to protect this planet.
You have to do it.
She goes, no, I don't.
She beats the crap out of Hulk, destroys his bar.
It actually is a funny scene.
And then they rebuild it together.
And she goes, I'm leaving.
He goes, fine.
If you want to just be a small time lawyer, like I respect that.
She's like, okay.
And then she leaves.
The point of the show is that she is not, she is refusing responsibility for her powers.
I'm just like, it's like what you were saying, Will.
If the real message was to insult feminism, they nailed it.
will chamberlain
Right.
Yeah, like that's what that sounds like.
It sounds like kind of a stealth, you know, refutation of it.
Basically a critique of feminism as deeply selfish, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, the Hulk originally was like a chaotic evil creature that was inside of Bruce Banner who was like a neutral good guy.
So it was destructive and unpredictable.
So I think they've infused the Chaotic evil character into the woman's psyche, inadvertently making her chaotic evil.
tim pool
You're saying Hulk was chaotic evil?
ian crossland
Yeah, Bruce Banner would turn into this chaotic evil demon.
will chamberlain
Yeah, basically the Hulk was- He was chaotic neutral, right?
ian crossland
No, Hulk was destructively evil and dangerous.
tim pool
What are you talking about?
ian crossland
He was a rage monster.
tim pool
Yeah, but he was the protagonist.
ian crossland
Well, that was the cool thing about it was he was an evil protagonist.
He's not evil.
tim pool
He wasn't evil.
ian crossland
Well, the Hulk itself was an evil creature that everyone wanted to stop it whenever it would go.
So he was always trying to stop it from appearing.
will chamberlain
But it was like the Hulk was just amoral rage, right?
Like it was just he would do good things, he would do bad things.
ian crossland
Well, anger isn't really amoral.
will chamberlain
I think anger is definitely a moral You can be angry at injustice, or you can be angry at things that aren't right.
ian crossland
He would just be angry at, like, someone kicked my leg on accident, and he broke walls, and they'd be like, run!
tim pool
But think about that for a second.
You're saying that a lawful good person can't be enraged, because that would make them evil.
ian crossland
Well, that was the interesting thing about Hulk, is he was two people.
Bruce Banner is, like, a good person, and then the Hulk was this evil thing that would come out of him, and he'd be like, no, I gotta stop!
tim pool
Stop it!
But Hulk wasn't evil.
He was an Avenger.
ian crossland
The very original Hulk was like this evil demon with no personality.
It was just a rage monster.
And then they kind of started to craft him and give him a personality.
tim pool
Into an anti-hero or something?
unidentified
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
Okay, that makes sense.
Because I'm not really deeply familiar with the universe.
So I saw the Avengers.
ian crossland
Yeah, eventually they gave they made Bruce the Hulk one person.
That's my favorite version of the Hulk is when he has a mind He's like Buddhist.
Yeah.
Yeah, just chillin.
Um, I have some technical problems with this show I haven't seen it yet But when she in the beginning of the scene she starts to tell him this emotional thing and looks away to the right as she's talking That's really annoying to watch actors do that.
It's kind of there there you see her to look to the right It's like she's trying to generate fake emotion which he glances to the right right there It's really annoying like you need a director to be like no look him in the eyes when you're talking Well, she's not looking at anybody's eyes.
She's supposed to be looking at Bruce's eyes.
tim pool
No, no, but like she's actually looking at a big X on a stick.
ian crossland
She might have Bruce in front of him working.
They might be working a scene together.
tim pool
She has to look up, which means they would have Bruce and he would have a stick coming off his back with like a circle, a green circle on it.
And she has to look at the two dots on the green circle.
ian crossland
So she dropped the ball there, and then at the end, whoever wrote this script... This guy's just ragging on the acting of it.
And the writing.
I feel anger infinitely more than you.
Infinite is not a multiplier.
You can't multiply something by infinite.
That's a zero.
So it makes no sense.
An illogical statement.
tim pool
Of course, Ian has an issue with the semantics of the statement.
ian crossland
The lighting's good, though.
shane cashman
So Hulk's, like, her mentor throughout this?
Is that the deal?
tim pool
Well, he, like, kidnaps her.
shane cashman
Kidnaps her?
Oh, now I'm in.
tim pool
Yeah, because she almost murdered a dude.
will chamberlain
And so Hulk thinks it's because she's... That's gonna be Dan Price's defense.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Imagine him hitting on her.
will chamberlain
Sorry, I had to choke her, Your Honor.
tim pool
Hulk thought that she was a rage monster like he was.
shane cashman
Right.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
shane cashman
I'm surprised he finds out.
tim pool
Like good writing would have been him being like, wait a minute, you're conscious right now?
It's like, yes.
And he would have been like, that means you tried to murder those guys.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, yo, that's, that's crazy.
shane cashman
Different discussion.
tim pool
Then she just, uh, she just goes back to being a lawyer.
It's like, first of all, you know, I said she was the villain, right?
I mean, she's a lawyer.
Come on.
You know, how much more villainous can you get?
They didn't even make her selfish too.
I'm saying that cause Will's here.
unidentified
What percentage of lawyers do you think are good?
will chamberlain
Oh, I mean most of them, honestly.
Like 51%?
ian crossland
I don't know.
will chamberlain
Most lawyers are trying to do good work and serve their clients.
Maybe they're in a position where their clients are people you might find distasteful, but you don't get to pick your clients if you're a big law firm, for example.
for example, you know, I mean, I could have, for example, like I had the choice,
well, I had some choices, but my choices were between Bill Cosby, when I was working at Big Law,
and there was a guy who had a Dirty Money episode made after him for running a, like, payday lending scheme
that the FTC sued him for a billion dollars over.
So like, that's the clients you represent, because those are the clients,
if you work at a big law firm, like.
shane cashman
And it's okay to not like those people, but like, I hate when people attack the lawyers
will chamberlain
for defending those people, because that's the job.
That is your job, right?
I think, I don't know if you guys watch Better Call Saul.
If you don't, you should.
Excellent show.
Um, but one of the, one of the big themes in one of the later seasons is how, you know, one of the protagonist lawyers is representing a bank client and then is also kind of like screwing over that client to help the little guys who the bank is adverse to.
And it's like, there's like, that's a bad lawyer.
That's a bad lawyer.
Exactly.
And that's sort of the point that the show is making is it's like, it's giving you first, it kind of gives you the reason to sympathize with the lawyer and be like, Oh yeah, you know, she's working and trying to, you know, be Robin Hood here.
But the longer it goes on, the more you realize like, no, no, she's actually doing, she's the bad person here because she is betraying her client and like she eventually, you know, has to leave her firm and all that.
tim pool
I know there's a bunch of jokes about lawyers, like I literally made one.
There's one I can't remember, but it's like a guy goes to hell, and then he's like, you know, or it's like a guy sells his soul to the devil, and then he goes to hell, and he's like, I need a lawyer, and then everyone raises their hand, or whatever the joke is, I don't know.
But I actually think most lawyers are good.
I actually think the overwhelming majority.
In my interactions, I have not actually experienced the stereotype of a bad lawyer.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, most of them are doing their jobs and trying to help their clients.
They're expensive because there's a cartel.
tim pool
Yeah.
will chamberlain
That's one reason.
And then, I mean, the worst are like- It's expensive to get barred and all that stuff, right?
Yeah, I mean, law school is expensive.
It's not just getting barred, right?
You have to go to law school in most places.
tim pool
And being good, it costs money.
ian crossland
Is that the cartel?
Is it you gotta go to the expensive school?
will chamberlain
You gotta go to law school and then pass a bar exam, right?
And both are usually a requirement in most states, so that's what, you know, I mean, people come out of law school, $150,000 in debt, and they put in three years of work, so it's like the starting pay to just even hire a lawyer is really high.
shane cashman
Not Kim Kardashian, though.
In California, you don't need no bar?
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, in California, you don't need to go to law school, and I'm pretty sure Kim Kardashian went to law school.
She did, yeah.
That's good.
California has its own weird thing where you can not go to law school but pass the bar exam.
Or you can go to a non-accredited law school.
tim pool
It's kind of crazy how you go to law school to try and become proficient, but then you realize having a big butt makes you more money.
That is true.
will chamberlain
It's a plus.
tim pool
So it's crazy like on Instagram there's like, I don't want to call anybody out, but there's like these women who have, let's say they do specific talents.
Like, they sing, or they're skiers or snowboarders.
And then it's like, I'll see the video of, you know, them doing their skill, but then every other video is like, you know, busty cleavage showing, or like booty shaking and stuff like that, and those are the ones that get most of the views.
And it's like, well, duh, you know what I mean?
I wonder what's the point of even doing the other videos if, like, in the end you realize, like, where the- I'll tell you- I'll tell you a better story.
There was this, uh, woman on YouTube.
This was, like, six years ago.
I was at YouTube.
I was talking with Google people about this.
She played guitar and she sang.
Her videos would get a few thousand views.
If you go into her library, you'd see one day she went from like 2,000 to like 200,000 on her video views.
And it was amazing.
It's like, wow, she had her big break.
She must've put out a really good song.
And you know what the big difference was between the video before with low views and the video high with many views?
will chamberlain
Cleavage?
unidentified
Cleavage!
tim pool
She started wearing like bathing suit tops with her boobs on her guitar as she played.
And then the views went through the roof.
shane cashman
I find it unfortunate that the sex appeal has become a gateway drug to the true passion of these people.
But it works, because they know it.
They tap into it.
The second you post some cleavage, then they get more views.
tim pool
I wonder if it matters.
shane cashman
I'm going to try it tomorrow.
tim pool
Do it.
unidentified
Do it now.
shane cashman
I'm going to try it right now.
tim pool
Adele did not get big and famous through, like, trying to be this sexy supermodel.
lydia smith
Yeah, she's a big girl.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, she lost a lot of weight.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
But she just made really great music.
And that worked.
I'm like, I genuinely don't know.
Do these women feel, like, lesser because it's not the skill or talent that got them there?
It's the sex appeal?
Or does it matter?
shane cashman
Might be the competition on social media.
It's like when people are mad at certain pop stars like Miley Cyrus or Billie Eilish when they start out as one thing and then they mutate into the sexy thing.
I think the industry might be pressuring them.
It could be social media.
I mean, you gotta wonder, like, you look at the Kardashians and like, do they care?
might have been with Hannah Montana are now with, you know, I mean, you got to wonder, like, you look at the Kardashians
tim pool
and like, do they care? I mean, like, isn't I don't know which one's the
will chamberlain
billionaire one, like Kylie or whatever. One of Kylie Jenner.
I think there's multiple billionaires.
I think Kim is.
tim pool
I think she's the youngest billionaire.
will chamberlain
Yeah, Kylie Jenner is the youngest billionaire.
tim pool
Do you think she cares that people are going to be like, you got famous off your ass?
will chamberlain
Her sister got famous with a sex tape, right?
Relative to her family, she's like, I was pretty conservative.
tim pool
But you know, you know, the other thing too is like, um, I was reading about, I think it's Kylie.
I don't know a lot about the Jenners, but, uh, it's not just sex appeal that got her to be a billionaire.
Like it's, it's legit business.
shane cashman
I think they're also really smart.
tim pool
They're super smart.
shane cashman
Yes.
tim pool
That's what I was saying.
She went to like, Kim went to law school or whatever.
shane cashman
She got mentored.
I think it's what it is in California.
You can be mentored, but not go to law school, but still have to pass the bar.
will chamberlain
Right, like I don't, I don't think, I don't think, but I don't know, you'd have to look it up if California actually has any requirement about taking, about going to law school, right?
To be barred.
Almost every other state does.
shane cashman
That makes sense for California.
will chamberlain
I mean, it's, I think, probably it's risky, right?
Like the, but one, the bar exam is not that hard, frankly.
And then two, like there's a lot that you actually learn in the first year or two of law school.
The third year is We've all seen Legally Blonde.
ian crossland
What's in the third year?
will chamberlain
The third year is a bunch of electives that you don't need to take, basically, and it's a way for the law school to make a little extra money off you.
Really, the first two years are what you need.
shane cashman
Sounds like the lawyer should overtake that and just chop it down to two years.
will chamberlain
Well, the lawyers don't care once they've graduated, because their prices are already high and they're making money.
Once you're in the cartel, you don't have a reason to lower the bar and make it easier for other people to become a lawyer.
ian crossland
My experience with getting cast for the way you look is really an empty... I felt lousy.
Whenever I was in Hollywood doing it, if I got a modeling job and they'd take pictures, I'd just feel empty afterwards.
Especially when they start saying it, and they're like, we just want to promote your Sex appeal, Ian.
tim pool
You're so sexual.
ian crossland
I want your sex.
I'm like, God, this, this industry is missing the mark, man.
unidentified
You want good, good acting, good acting.
will chamberlain
Wait, wait, is this like a prolonged, is the, that's not a joke.
Like you, you, you got modeling jobs in Los Angeles?
tim pool
He's in more than one Super Bowl commercial?
ian crossland
I was in one Super Bowl commercial.
It was an Orbit gum commercial.
I did some commercials.
I did one TV show, Aliens in America.
I did the pilot of that show.
That was pretty fun.
We launched that.
And then I did a little bit of photography modeling stuff.
shane cashman
Is there not a painting downstairs of you ripped?
ian crossland
We should bring it up here.
shane cashman
Who's back on the wall?
tim pool
As an eagle holding issue, I'm going to replace this with it.
Come on.
The glare might be too much of an issue.
ian crossland
The abs are too much.
And I think an example of the emptiness is you see in the cosmetic surgery that they...
I'm looking at it right now, is this...
Kylie Jenner has a cosmetic company.
So it's like, cosmetic, the way you look.
Of course.
The way you look, the way you hear.
will chamberlain
That's the way she monetizes her Instagram, is makeup.
ian crossland
That, in my experience, leads to emptiness on the inside, but you know, it's a lot of money, so you kind of just pretend like it's okay.
tim pool
Well, my problem with... So, as much as, like, in the culture war they would call me right-wing, I'm, like, particularly left, especially when it comes to these ultra-wealthy people who use their money and just keep amassing and hoarding and amassing and hoarding, and they're not doing anything.
That bums me out.
I'm also fairly libertarian, so I'm, like, I'm not gonna rag on them and force them to do anything with their money.
I just kind of accept the fact that people make money and then they do whatever they want with it, and it's like, okay, well, I wish they would do more.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
The problem is...
Maybe it's better we're better off they don't because Mackenzie Bezos decided to do more with Jeff's money and then she funded a whole bunch of woke garbage.
So it's kind of like maybe we'd be better off if she bought a yacht with an infinity pool instead of funding woke racist BS.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
Just as useless.
will chamberlain
Like employ some people.
Right.
Like have.
shane cashman
Well, one Kardashian, Kim, has a company where it's like underwear and stuff like that.
And I've heard from a lot of different people that they love it.
Like it's actually really good.
And she's got a lot of people she employs.
So they're doing something.
And I don't want to knock on just the sex appeal because they are some of the ones that are always knocked on for how they look.
But they're doing something.
tim pool
It's funny, because people would always say, like, the Kardashians are famous for being famous.
And it's like, you realize that means they're like some of the best marketers on the planet.
They're good at it.
Yeah, they're really good at it.
ian crossland
Well, I think they had actually a very strong family life, as you could say, as unconventional as with Bruce becoming Caitlyn.
But like, from what I was told, Bruce was a fantastic father, like a stepfather to these girls.
And their mom is a brilliant woman.
Like, I've only seen the show in passing.
My mom was a big fan of the show, actually.
Which was really weird, because she doesn't watch that stuff at all.
She's like, they're actually really, really smart people.
shane cashman
Interesting.
Yeah, I think they're really good at shaping reality.
Like I can never say how they really are a family, but they're good at making it look like they're good at family.
Yeah, like Trump, like Trump, like it's all it's all just a facade.
tim pool
Oh, man, Trump endorsing those Democrats was dying.
And then you saw that that woman took the bait.
Right?
Yulin Niu is running against Goldman.
And then I think that's Dan Goldman, right?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
And then she was like, Trump just endorsed my opponent.
And then people were like, why?
And she's like, because he's trying to stop the left.
And it's like, dude, she knows.
But she's like, unless these people are really that daft, man.
But, you know, where would we be without Trump?
Like, this would be a very boring reality.
ian crossland
We would have Hillary Clinton.
Hillary would probably still be the president.
Libya, for sure.
We'd probably have invaded and had forces in Syria.
Yeah.
shane cashman
Wars everywhere.
ian crossland
The Russian thing, I don't know.
The Ukraine thing would probably still be happening.
will chamberlain
We wouldn't be talking about politics.
This wouldn't be a politics show if you were doing it still.
tim pool
If Trump wasn't here?
will chamberlain
If Trump hadn't been elected, politics would have been so boring and depressing.
Oh, right, right, right.
Because it would have been back to, you know, 2012-era Uniparty.
tim pool
I disagree to a certain degree.
We wouldn't be talking about electoral politics so much.
We'd be talking about conflict, crisis, war, and things like that.
Because that's what I was involved with covering.
More grassroots activism stuff, more cultural stuff.
So we'd probably be talking... I'll put it this way.
The woke stuff would have been ramped up way faster.
We would have.
Look, I don't know exactly what would have happened with the pandemic, but it would have been way more extreme, way harsher.
So I think politics would have happened to a certain degree, no matter what.
But it would be, like you said, very uniparty establishment and it would not be pop culture.
So this show would probably exist.
We'd probably talk about it, probably be a lot smaller.
will chamberlain
Yeah, like I mean it would just be much more depressing because I remember I don't know if you felt this way but politics and like from during the Obama era Was depressing and it's not just because like Obama was like bad or horrible.
It was because there was no distinction between him and Romney I guess you guys remember the debates between Obama and Romney.
No, if there's at some point like a little bit I There was a foreign policy debate.
It was the last debate of that presidential election.
I remember it distinctly because I remember posting something like, I have a Mormon drinking game and the drinking game is drink whenever they articulate a difference on foreign policy, right?
Like, you would just, you'd stay sober.
It was like, it was a debate where Mitt Romney did not disagree with anything Obama said for an hour and a half.
shane cashman
They both agreed about bringing jobs back.
will chamberlain
Well, no, the economy stuff is where Romney tried to distinguish himself and did an okay job in that second debate.
It was the one where he's like, oh, I approve of what you're doing in Libya.
unidentified
Hmm.
will chamberlain
That's a great idea.
Oh, I approve of this in Syria.
Yeah, you're exactly right about the red line.
shane cashman
Is this after the dog being on the car?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
So yeah, it just would have been so boring.
And I mean, I think, you know, I'm glad we had Trump for that reason, because now we really have two different parties.
ian crossland
I've been thinking about Ukraine a lot.
I want to know what you guys think about this is like right now.
What it looks like is that the American British French have like troops in Ukraine on the front of Russia.
It'd be like if Russia had troops all along the western coast of California and blockaded all the sea access because basically Ukraine's blocking Russia's access to the Black Sea.
So like if all of I don't know.
tim pool
Let's just say Mexico and the Gulf.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Or if they put a bunch of troops, you know, on the Rio Grande and then start blocking our access to the Gulf or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
But it's like we'd have all of California except a very thin strip of land along the coast so that we had no coastal access.
No one would stand for that.
It would be insane.
tim pool
But a better way to put it is if Russia started putting troops in Mexico and Canada.
Or Alaska.
On our border.
So this is the crazy thing.
You guys saw that video of Marin, the Finnish Prime Minister?
And she's like shaking it and bouncing it and all that stuff.
You know, look, I don't care if someone wants to party, but as the Prime Minister, when you are facing nuclear deployment by Russia for joining NATO and you are on the border of this country, And that's your prime minister.
Like, I got no problem with people wanting to dance and have a good time.
I do have an issue with having a world leader who is acting more like a 16-year-old girl.
ian crossland
Yeah, come on.
tim pool
As opposed to a 40-year-old woman.
will chamberlain
I think it's a function of the fact that the EU has basically, like, swamped the major functions of most of these sovereigns.
And so you end up with this very, like, Ridiculous.
You get enough with some ridiculous leaders in some of these countries and you compare that actually this is a weird analogy.
tim pool
Finland is a vassal state for the EU.
will chamberlain
You know what's something about Israel that's really interesting?
If you actually look at the pictures of their politicians and their leaders, they're never smiling.
Never ever smiling they're very very serious because that's sort of like that's the political Israel like you're constantly Defending against a bunch of grungy surrounding you like and you look at American politicians complete reverse, right?
shane cashman
Yeah, American politicians are always smiling in their profile Have you ever looked at like the evolution of the smile and presidential portraits?
No over the years.
unidentified
It's really fun I forget where it turns the George Washington frump Yeah.
shane cashman
There is a moment where presidents start to smile.
I forget where that is.
It might be around Nixon or something.
And then it's full on big smile.
tim pool
You know, we need, we need Trump when he wins in 2025 to just go like full
grimace, like, yeah, I'm coming for you.
will chamberlain
I'm going to keep saying it.
ian crossland
Right, right, dark maggot.
I'm not a big, I mean, I definitely don't support invasion, Russia's invasion of Ukraine, I'm not a big, but I understand why they did, and I think it's purely to have sea access.
Because if Russia had blocked off Alaskan, Western, all the coast, and just that was Russia, and we couldn't get boats out, it would be, come on, you don't even have a state if you don't have the sea access.
tim pool
You are correct.
The Black Sea is their only warm water port.
They use that for access to the Mediterranean, and the reason why Syria is an important ally is because they have the military base in Tartus.
So the actions the US was taking to put a pipeline through Syria and opposing the Assad regime was a direct threat to Russia's naval base, then with Ukraine wanting to go towards the EU.
So this is really interesting, man.
The politics are really interesting.
The EU offered them money with contingencies.
Russia offered them money with different contingencies.
Russia seems to have, according to some arguments, a kind of better deal.
But Ukrainians don't like Russia for a very obvious reason.
Do you know what that reason is?
It's the Holodomor.
And so when I went there and talked to people, they said, even if the deal is not as good with the EU, we want Schengen zone access.
So this seems better for us.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
This was a huge threat to Russia because they knew they would lose Crimea where they had a base and their only access to the warm water, the Black Sea warm water port.
So, of course, Russia then goes in and basically takes Crimea.
The West at the time was very much in favor of the ongoing revolution or whatever you want to call it, the revolt against Yanukovych.
Russia viewed that as To the outside world in the news, it was a protest.
It was people protesting and declaring a new government.
In reality, it was NATO influence, EU influence versus the Russian, the expansion of Russia and their desire for a trade federation.
Some say Putin wanted to bring back the Soviet Union in some capacity or just outright.
So this has always been a deeper political conflict that's bubbling up to war, except For when Donald Trump got elected and everything started to simmer down and calm down.
ISIS was defeated.
Things started to stabilize a bit in the Middle East.
It wasn't all perfect.
I mean, there was missile strikes in Assyria.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Saudi Arabian Yemen.
tim pool
But Russia was backing off until Joe Biden comes back and then Russia ramps everything back up because Putin knew Joe Biden and the uniparty regime, the establishment, was going to try and destabilize the region and gain more power, control, and expand.
The crazy thing about NATO's purpose is resisting the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore.
You have the remnants in Russia.
But NATO keeps expanding.
It is a rapid military expansion, now taking in Sweden and Finland, and that is, whether you like it or not, whether it's good or bad for America, a direct threat to many countries in that region.
And if you're worried, if you look at the expansion of the Soviet Union, if you look at the expansion into Vietnam, this is one of the reasons the U.S.
wanted to get involved, to stop the communist expansion, the Korean War.
We understand why militaristic expansion is a bad thing.
Once the Soviets collapse, the U.S.
ramps it up.
When there's no direct threat, of course Russia's gonna lose their mind.
Now you got China doing these joint military drills.
And I'll tell you, man, people like Biden, I think they revel in it.
I think they want it.
I think their attitude is, you know, it's like that famous story about the Napoleonic Wars.
Someone ran, you know, horseback to England and said, Napoleon won!
The stocks all collapsed and they bought it all up.
And they're like, actually he lost.
And then the stocks spike back up and now they bought them all again.
Catastrophe is great for people who want to exploit the crisis.
It's great for the war machine.
I think they know it.
I think they're thinking oil profits, more control, more access, more expansion.
Be damned.
Whoever gets killed because of it.
ian crossland
I hope people don't conflate the Russian people with communism anymore, just like the Chinese people with communism.
Because the CCP is in control of that country.
It's basically occupying China.
And the Soviet communist dictatorship was occupying the Russian people for 100 years.
They're gone now.
will chamberlain
And communism lost.
tim pool
But the Uniparty has a stranglehold over the American people who overwhelmingly reject the wars that we have been engaging in.
It's remarkable, if you look at the polls, it's like, do you want war?
It's like 87%.
No war!
Yet we keep finding ourselves entangled in them.
It's because we are subjugated by the uniparty that will go to war no matter what you want, and they'll do it without congressional authority like they're supposed to get.
Except for Donald Trump.
So a lot of people complain about Trump's increasing of the drone strikes.
I think it's bad, but you take a look at the fact that he was withdrawing our troops, that he was negotiating peace deals in the Middle East, he was negotiating peace deals in North Korea, and in exchange, you basically got our troops coming back, but drone strikes increasing in some areas.
And it's not even Obama, I still think, had more drone strikes.
shane cashman
Three every hour, every day for a whole year in 2015.
ian crossland
Luke Ricalci was explaining Trump made them secretive, though.
We don't know how many he...
That's false control.
And he also gave control of it to his generals so that he wasn't even calling the shots anymore.
He gave...
will chamberlain
I mean, I'm the, like, you know, kind of like the contrarian here in a weird way, but I'm
sort of, I, along these lines, like, do you want Trump to not crush ISIS in Syria?
tim pool
No, I agree with you.
The issue is we want to get our troops out.
We don't want to be this expansionist military state.
But that means, if you look at Afghanistan, you can't just snap your fingers and leave.
Now, Ron Paul had a great statement.
He says, if you're given the wrong medication, you don't stay on it.
You got to get off of it.
I agree.
But you also got to get off of it slowly, depending on what it is.
You can't just cut cold turkey.
will chamberlain
And I also, like, think about the counterfactual.
I think, you know, Peter Thiel made this point.
People would criticize him for Palantir and the company that, you know, like... What a name.
Yeah.
It's a, I mean, it's a heck of a name.
It's like Middle Earth, I think.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's a scrying mechanism.
But they would drive you insane slowly because Sauron was peering into your soul as you used it.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
That's what he named his company.
will chamberlain
And so like he's supposed to be this libertarian and they're getting on him for setting up this like surveillance software that really helps the federal government track terrorists and things like that.
But Thiel made this argument.
He's like, do you think civil liberties would be better in a world where there's another 9-11 or do you think they will be worse?
Right, and so I think the counterfactual here is if you don't have sufficient drone strikes to stop terrorism, to deter, and to stop attacks here, do you think, and in a world where there is an attack here, what do you think the end outcome of that will be?
Like, if you want to keep us out of war, then the argument goes, then you need some sort of, like, low-level deterrence in, like, what's the incapacitation of certain people.
tim pool
And I agree only so far as the invasion was wrong in the first place.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
But to get off of that, you can't just pull the troops out like Biden did with surrendering the Bagram Air Force Base and all that stuff.
My attitude is like, I don't like that we're in Afghanistan.
Okay, how do we get out?
Let's pull our people back and keep drones for security.
And then slowly we can rescind it when the region remains stable with the Afghan National Security Forces.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
shane cashman
It's also the incompetence of some of those drone strikes that kills me.
I understand we need drone strikes to wipe out some of the bad people, but when they kill the family... You want to hear a joke?
Of course.
Let me sip this whiskey.
tim pool
What's the difference between a... What's the difference between a... I might get in trouble on YouTube.
What's the difference between a children's hospital And a terror den.
A terrorist HQ.
will chamberlain
The Children's Hospital got hit with a drone strike?
tim pool
I don't know, I just fly the drone.
unidentified
That's terrible.
ian crossland
That's not even a joke.
tim pool
That's an old joke too, that's from the Obama era.
ian crossland
The big problem is people like terrorists or whoever will go into a hospital and use it as a human shield.
They'll be like, hey, they'll be less likely to bomb me if I'm in here and they'll be firing anti-aircraft from the hospital.
You're like, well, now what choice do I have?
Even though we're not technically at war.
will chamberlain
That's basically the entire Israel-Palestine conflict, right?
Like, that's the Palestinians' grand strategy is to eventually get Israel to attack their human shields to the point that eventually the international community just comes down on Israel.
Palestinians don't have any other strategy to victory.
That is their intent.
That's why they use human shields.
tim pool
And I think, like, you know, I'm not going to defend everything Israel does all the time, but when you bring that up, it's like they attack you as if you're some kind of, like, Zionist.
It's like, dude, they're launching rockets out of schools.
unidentified
Like, come on!
shane cashman
The other thing that's crazy about the drone stuff is just how dystopian it is to live in a place where they're constantly in the sky, like bombing your land.
I worked at, I was a furniture mover for like 10 years, and we'd get like prayer rugs from places all over the, from the Middle East, and we started to see a lot of prayer rugs that had drones stitched into the border of them.
tim pool
Whoa!
shane cashman
And it was just like a thing that would happen a lot.
So it was like, it's just crazy how it affected just the people, normal people.
Which is, I still understand why we need it, but it's also so insane
that the sky is raining bombs constantly.
tim pool
That's true.
And I think we have to put it all in context.
And my thing is like, when you start from the position of,
I don't think we should have been over there in the first place.
The invasions were all really dumb and bad.
Ron Paul had a great comment a long time ago about market reprisal.
Al Qaeda did it.
We do surgical strikes under market reprisal, not declarations of war against entire countries deposing their governments.
And so we end up in that.
And I'm a kid.
It's beyond my power and my involvement in politics.
Now we want to get out.
And that means I don't want American troops on the corners occupying cities.
I think that's worse than sometimes a drone is flying overhead and it's being used to enforce security, but I still think it's bad.
My ideal is that with Afghanistan, Trump negotiated this withdrawal.
We slowly start pulling troops out, but we make sure we're handing off security to the Afghan security forces and maintaining a light drone presence a little bit longer for security to back them up.
And then eventually we're gone and you got a stabilized country.
Instead, Joe Biden evacuates Bagram in the middle of the night without telling the security forces.
Looters come in.
Then all of a sudden the Afghan forces were caught off guard with no plan.
And so instantly the entire infrastructure is splattered.
Taliban rushes in, wins.
Civilians, American soldiers die.
That I can only imagine was intentional.
will chamberlain
Well, it's like the air support just evaporated, right?
I think I read an article about this.
It was something about how when the moment that when Biden withdrew, it wasn't the way that these like remote outpost bases that the government was holding, the Afghan government's holding onto, they were all supported by air.
They didn't have like convoys go to them.
They were supported by helicopter.
That's how they resupplied.
And the moment that, like, the U.S.
air support fell apart, it's like, well, the entire Afghan army falls apart at that point because they were completely dependent on American contractors providing logistics.
ian crossland
Biden told everyone that he was gonna pull out on that day.
People knew that that was it.
That was the day they were planning on it.
So, like, the Taliban saw it coming.
They were ready.
Like, that day they all rushed in because they were like, oh, And that's true.
tim pool
He delayed it from Trump's original timeline, but the idea... September 11th.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Some stupid, symbolic nonsense.
Sorry to interrupt.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I mean, that's it.
I mean, Trump brought the Taliban in and had negotiations with them about how this is going to go down and how we're going to leave and what he expects of them in this move.
And once he's out, they knew Biden.
I think Biden did it on purpose.
They saw the opportunity.
Their assumption was probably like, he's handing it over to us, now's our chance to take it.
shane cashman
Didn't the corporate media rag on Trump for even having talks with Taliban when that happened too?
tim pool
Because he brought him to Camp David?
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Is that where Will?
will chamberlain
I don't know about that, if they went to Camp David, but yeah, I know the media got on it.
How dare you negotiate with Kim Jong-un?
How dare you negotiate with the Taliban?
shane cashman
We hate peace.
will chamberlain
It's like that Game of Thrones line, you only make peace with your enemies, right?
Like, you know, wake up.
tim pool
It was Camp David.
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't know if it ever actually panned out.
shane cashman
I think it was going to happen.
unidentified
He canceled it.
tim pool
He canceled it.
ian crossland
But yeah, he had planned to bring them to Washington and to Camp David.
I'm all about diplomacy, man.
Diplomacy first.
shane cashman
Absolutely.
ian crossland
But I don't know if that helps Raytheon's bottom line, if that's a part of the equation.
tim pool
Probably not.
Or Caliburn's or Boeing's or Northrop Grumman.
ian crossland
Can we still blow up bombs on other planets or in safe places?
Got it.
So they don't lose their bottom line.
tim pool
Let's do it.
Let's, let's all get Congress to pass a bill guaranteeing funding for all of these companies to fire the rockets at Mars.
ian crossland
To heat up the planet.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Right.
To heat the planet up, kick some dust in the air, maybe melt some ice or something.
It'll stop the war here.
They'll stop incentivizing the war machine because they'll still be getting paid.
ian crossland
We'll be learning how to do interplanetary bombing raids, which we'll probably use in the future.
shane cashman
That's an earth first policy.
Bomb the planets.
tim pool
Let's talk about the apocalypse, my friends.
We got this story from the New York Post.
Billionaire Peter Thiel's $13.5 million dream home in New Zealand is doomed.
It's been characterized as a doomsday bunker or, you know, emergency hideout.
There's been a bunch of billionaires that have been talking about the end of days and wanting to build something in this story.
Actually, I don't know if they have pictures.
It's really amazing.
I mean, this is super cool.
Like, it's like hidden.
shane cashman
The guys who designed the Olympics in Tokyo designed this.
unidentified
Wow.
will chamberlain
Why are they opposing this, actually?
I mean, if you're talking about it's like a zoning dispute, isn't that very in harmony with the existing terrain?
tim pool
It's bad for the economy or whatever.
shane cashman
But a few years ago, I think there's a CNN article out there that says this exact area was becoming like a doomsday prepper paradise.
tim pool
It is.
shane cashman
There's a lot of them out there.
Matt Lauer's there.
tim pool
Yep, yep, yep.
Millionaires and billionaires have, first, for the, since, like the stories that are coming out in like 2017 after Trump gets elected, millionaires and billionaires, and I'm talking about like high-level millionaires, not like somebody who's got like 10 million, but somebody who's worth like 750, they're building emergency bunkers in New Zealand.
They've got, one of the craziest stories I read is that they carved out mountains with landing strips
so you can fly into the mountain to land, like in Kingsman.
You guys see Kingsman when they land in the mountain?
So it's like the bad guy wants to kill everybody because the planet's overheating.
It's basically like a Bill Gates who started a tech company.
And then he's like, he's got a list, but he's like, the planet is heating up.
And so it's going to create a virus, which is climate change, and it's going to kill everybody.
And so he wants to force, he wants to kill everybody to stop that from happening.
And it's like, okay.
So anyway, like they land their planes in this mountain.
That's, I've read stories about that.
Also, you take a look at like Montana.
Montana, Wyoming.
That's cool.
shane cashman
Tanning spot in Montana.
tim pool
It's one state.
ian crossland
Someone's about to incorporate right now.
tim pool
Wyoming.
No, we don't need to reduce.
will chamberlain
We need to, we need to make more states.
There needs to be East and West Wyoming.
We need more Republican senators.
tim pool
Yeah, we should split West Virginia into East West Virginia and West West Virginia.
will chamberlain
Southeast Virginia.
tim pool
So anyway, here's I did this as my my 4 p.m.
Segment, but my question to you guys is we'll expand this conversation are Millionaires are the millionaires and the billionaires are they building this stuff because they know something we don't Or is it because they got money to kick around and they said why not?
shane cashman
I think some might, but there's also lots of people with lots of money buying places on the coast, and they're also telling us the coasts are going to flood soon.
So maybe some do, maybe some don't.
will chamberlain
It's like a weird type of insurance policy, you know?
I don't think Teal is necessarily a giant techno-pessimist.
I mean, he does a lot of other things, right?
He's funding senators, and he has a lot of different projects, or Senate races, rather.
But this strikes me as the kind of thing that's like, okay, it's the same reason some of these people get dual citizenship in St.
Kitts and Nevis or something.
tim pool
Exactly, yeah.
He's a New Zealand citizen now.
will chamberlain
Right.
So it's just a backup.
Like, okay, things could get bad.
I don't think he has a huge...
tim pool
That's the question.
That's what I'm saying, right?
So you got a rich dude.
Peter Thiel's worth $7.7 billion, reportedly.
And so you got that much money, okay?
It's gonna cost you $13 million out of his $7.7 billion?
Dude, he farts that much money.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's a hell yes in my book.
tim pool
Yeah, so he's probably like, I gotta buy some.
Hey!
Uh, Bill, set up a company and build me this thing in New Zealand.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, you think about that, right?
Like you can, you're making, you know, if he's got a billion, investments are going to make like, what, 8% a year generally.
So you're thinking you're, if you, he just can screw around and play with a 5% of his net worth every year.
Okay.
Well, 7.7 billion, do the math.
5 billion, you know, 5, 5% of 7 billion is what?
tim pool
But don't even, I'm not even, who even cares about growth?
350 million?
At 7.7 billion, you don't have to work for multiple generations.
Like your kids are, are gonna have to work.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
So, I mean, it's, yeah, I mean, this is just play money, right?
shane cashman
That's why he's thinking about having a meditation space in a doomsday bunker.
That's a real luxury.
That's the last thing I'd be thinking about in my doomsday bunker.
will chamberlain
It's a very, very small, very like trivial insurance policy for like the, you know, hedging against the collapse of the United States or United States becoming particularly inhospitable.
ian crossland
Look at the view.
Is this an actual picture from his... I think it's a mock-up.
It's so beautiful.
If the view is anything like that, then that's better than just an insurance policy.
will chamberlain
It's a vacation home.
shane cashman
Are you safe from their Prime Minister, though, even out there in New Zealand?
Because she's like the worst.
ian crossland
How does that work?
How rich do you have to be to be off the Prime Minister's radar?
shane cashman
I don't know what her.
tim pool
No, it doesn't work that way, man.
You're stuck.
I can't remember who we had on the show talking about how wealth is meaningless in an apocalypse.
So you think you own something?
Why?
So like, anybody who owns a house knows this.
Why do you own the house?
Because someone wrote on a piece of paper you own the house?
Good luck when some, like a group of dudes, like five guys with shaved heads and ARs walk up and say, get out, it's my house.
And you go, but I have the paper.
And they go, that's funny, I have the gun.
So when the apocalypse happens and there's nobody to call, he can set this up, that's great.
And then he can be like, I'm rich and I'm a billionaire and I have this bunker.
And the prime minister, that crazy lady can show up with one guy who's got one gun and be like, it's ours now.
And unless he's got a way to defend himself, that's in an apocalypse when everything breaks down.
Your deed doesn't mean anything.
What you can defend is all that matters.
And guess what?
Someone as rich as Peter Thiel, his net worth will drop to about $500,000 when an apocalypse happens.
Because his stocks, his investments, all that evaporate overnight.
If there's a global governmental crisis or collapse and war breaks out, We've not seen something to this extent.
Like, even in major wars, you'll still have international, like, assets.
Like, somebody from Britain can put assets in Switzerland and all that kind of stuff.
It's probably why Switzerland loved being neutral, and people loved that they were.
But if we actually had a total global breakdown of, like, international treaties and stuff, His net worth is what he can hold in his hands.
ian crossland
Who trusts him and who's going to back him up.
That's a big part of it.
tim pool
Maybe crypto.
will chamberlain
That's why you try and buy a place in New Zealand.
I mean, New Zealand is super remote, right?
Like the nearest place you can fly to is Australia and it's a three or four hour flight across.
tim pool
It's thousands of miles.
shane cashman
And maybe he's banking in the apocalypse.
The prime minister just means nothing anyway.
will chamberlain
Right, like, so he's just, okay, yeah, I'll go to my—I mean, and I think the odds of a universal global apocalypse seem low, right?
I think, again, you're hedging against a United States collapse.
Okay.
tim pool
Right.
will chamberlain
You know.
tim pool
Yeah, man, St.
Kitts and Nevis, I think it costs $50,000 to be a citizen.
will chamberlain
Yeah, there's there's different like small Caribbean countries that like I think St.
tim pool
Kitts and Nevis is like the biggest one And they're and and people the rich people love that island because their passports are better than the American passport Because it's an it's an island nation of like no consequence So their passports are basically accepted everywhere because every country knows you're a rich dude is just gonna come and spend money in your country So like oh, whatever.
Yeah Wow Yeah, so you can, you can basically, I don't, I've never actually researched this, but I've had friends tell me about people who, that you go there, you put, you give them 50 grand and they hand you your passport, you're a citizen.
ian crossland
Do you guys have dual citizenship or multi-citizenship?
will chamberlain
I have dual citizenship.
Where is it?
Germany.
tim pool
Oh, really?
will chamberlain
Yeah, so I'm half Jewish, right?
And my grandmother had to leave Germany in, I don't remember, I forget, is it 38?
I think she left really very late.
And so the German government has a program for people who, like in their view, would have been born in Germany or would have been German descendants, but for the Nazis, that they can apply for German citizenship for a cheap, for a relatively cheap, like a couple grand or something.
tim pool
There's actually a bunch of countries that do things like that regardless of displacement.
Like if you are the grandson or daughter of someone who is a citizen who like emigrated, you can apply and get it.
I think in South Korea, you can get a B visa if you're the grandson or daughter of a Korean citizen.
shane cashman
Yeah, my wife could do that with Greece because her dad's from Greece.
So she hasn't, but she could.
tim pool
Well, I mean, that's her dad.
So like that, that's, that feels kind of like it should be that way.
But even a grandparent, I kind of feel like is an extension.
will chamberlain
My grandmother was a German citizen before she fled.
Right.
So, you know, that's, uh, and I mean, honestly, it's not really that valuable in the sense of, I mean, well, I can, when I go to Europe, I get to go through the short line if I have my passport with me and conceivably, if I wanted to go work in the EU.
tim pool
Other countries though, like what about Iran?
will chamberlain
Um, I don't know.
I mean, it might be easier for countries that have a particularly hostile relationship with the United States.
Like I probably, I think German passports can get into Iran when United States passports can't.
ian crossland
What was the story with your grandma bailing?
She was full Jewish in 1938, Nazi Germany.
How'd she get out?
will chamberlain
Their family had, you know, had plenty of, uh, I don't know exactly.
I actually don't know the story of exactly how she got out, but I assume it's one of those, like she managed to cross the border or she flew.
38, I think at 38.
Might be 36, but I think 38.
I'll check with my mom.
But yeah, I mean, it's a simple, you know, that's actually, you know, not an uncommon story where, you know, her family at the time had, you know, businesses and, you know, a reasonable amount of money and they just abandoned it all.
Showed up penniless in the United States.
This is just before the war.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Was she there for Kristallnacht?
will chamberlain
I would think so.
ian crossland
That was in 38.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I would think so.
tim pool
I think that that's... And maybe that was like a, hey, maybe we should get out of here kind of moment.
will chamberlain
Right.
Yeah, she would have been, I mean, she would have been only about 20, right?
Or 20, like she was, she was pretty young.
I think she was born in like 19, 1919 maybe.
So she would have been very young, but she, yeah, or maybe even younger.
tim pool
It was, Kristallnacht was November, was 9th and 10th of November, 1938.
will chamberlain
Okay, so maybe before that then.
I don't know, but like, I know that she got out pretty late and it was, you know, that's still, you know, and I still, like, it's funny.
Essentially, I think most of that generation of my family has passed at this point.
tim pool
This is the crazy thing, right?
Your grandmother got out before these violent attacks and stuff like that.
will chamberlain
I think so.
tim pool
And I wonder, you know, I don't want to compare what's happening in the United States directly to a lot of these other countries and other historical moments because history doesn't repeat it rhymes.
But I wonder if, you know, looking at the Summer of Love with around 30 deaths, billions of dollars in damage and mass rioting from far-left ideological extremists, I don't think is as bad as what this was.
This was seriously crazy.
But I'm wondering if we're getting to that point where people are going to start being like, hey, maybe we should move from here.
And I'll put it this way.
I left New York to South Jersey, left South Jersey to West Virginia because seeing the increasing violence for people who are in Germany.
Germany is a lot smaller than the United States.
In the United States, if you're watching crises happen in your cities, you can go to the country to get away from it.
But I'm kind of wondering, you know, with the trajectory we're on right now, this is the crazy thing, right?
Report from Real Clear Investigations.
The FBI team that led the raid on Trump's house was the same team that led the Russia collusion investigation, the hoax.
So this sounds like, this sounds outright like a rogue conspiracy or something like that.
And now, you know, with this viral clip from this show, Dan Bongino was posting it.
We had Derek Harvey on who mentioned that, you know, Trump declassified Crossfire Hurricane.
He probably brought copies of the documents with him.
They went to get it back because they don't want it exposed or something like that.
And it was the team that did it that went to his house to take it.
This all makes sense.
They come to his house and say, you better lock this up, lock it better.
He does.
Then the FBI comes back and breaks the lock.
Different group of FBI agents.
It sounds like we're at the point where there's different factions in the FBI that are fighting each other.
A poll just came out.
That majority of the people in this country feel that an element of the FBI is acting as Joe Biden's personal Gestapo.
ian crossland
You said there was a poll.
What's the poll?
tim pool
We have it.
Examiner says majority see FBI as Biden's personal Gestapo after Trump raid.
This is the examiner.
This is not I saw them as Gestapo when they raided Veritas.
Rasmussen survey, 53% of likely voters agree there's a group of politicized thugs, the
top of the FBI, that are using the FBI's Joe Biden's personal Gestapo.
I saw the civil war.
shane cashman
I saw them as Gestapo when they raided Veritas.
tim pool
Right.
shane cashman
Like that's insane.
tim pool
This is this is the the breakdown.
This is the culture war reaching the highest levels of government that I was told would
never happen.
So when you hear, like I mentioned, when you hear that the FBI told Trump's people to secure these documents with a padlock, and they do, and then a few months later come in and smash the padlock, it makes no sense.
Unless you point out, unless the reality is, it was a different group of FBI agents who did it.
And I had someone reach out to me claiming to be a retired agent who said, you're exactly right.
There may be, there is leadership, there is leadership at the top, but different, you know, managers or, you know, supervisors in different field offices, in different interests, I'm sure, exactly, are going to be doing things against each other's interests.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I think, well, I was actually looking into this because, you know, a lot of people started talking about defunding the FBI, and I was like, I was actually thinking about what could a president do with just an executive order?
tim pool
Abolish it?
will chamberlain
they could do a lot uh the fbi doesn't have like an explicit much in the way of explicit delegated authority from congress it actually is delegated to the attorney general who then has like the right to appoint officials but the fbi is sort of like implicitly It's not actually mandated by Congress in the same way that other law enforcement agencies are.
And so, theoretically, a president and an attorney general could essentially just make an executive order that's like, the FBI only does the things that is very specifically mandated to do by Congress, like track serial killers, and everything else we're just gonna shut it off to.
tim pool
Is that mandated by Congress?
will chamberlain
There's certain specific statutes that mandate things that the FBI should handle, but they're narrow.
tim pool
But does Congress prescribe through statutory law the maintenance of the FBI?
No.
will chamberlain
I read... Or it might fund it, but that's different from saying... So basically you could basically strip the FBI of authority even if you didn't strip it of funding via an executive order.
tim pool
There's a meme that's going around that Trump could sign an executive order disbanding it outright because it's got no congressional authority into its existence that it was created by executive order or something like that.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I think, I mean, I'm not sure.
I don't know if that's true.
But I'm pretty confident though about the ability of the president to just kind of Decide to, you know, say, okay, guess what, FBI?
Like, on day one, you're not doing counterintelligence anymore.
Right?
Like, done.
You don't have any access to it.
I'm allocating that authority to other intelligence agencies.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
It was linked to prohibition.
That's where it started?
lydia smith
That sounds right.
will chamberlain
There's a lot of, I mean, I think prohibition is one of the big things.
Bank robberies, when bank robberies were a big deal, that was like a big trigger for, I think that was more like when the FBI really got a lot of its expansion because one of the problems that, it was a huge problem in the Midwest where you have all these states that are pretty small and like, think about something like Kansas City where it's across the border and Kansas and Missouri.
So you'd have bank robbers constantly robbing a bank in Kansas and then crossing the border to Missouri and not getting prosecuted.
unidentified
Right.
shane cashman
Roosevelt did kind of start in early form in the FBI after Kinley was assassinated.
tim pool
It's interesting how it evolved into existence.
It wasn't outright created.
So when you look at the history of the FBI, it talks about the National Bureau of Criminal Identification, which eventually evolves into the Bureau of Investigation, which eventually evolves into the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
will chamberlain
It's interesting.
tim pool
And there was, it's interesting, it says there were fears the new agency would serve as secret police, as a secret police department.
Again, at Roosevelt's urging, Bonaparte moved to organize a formal Bureau of Investigation, which would then have its own staff of special agents.
will chamberlain
Yeah, this was Teddy Roosevelt.
I think I'm literally just started a book about this because I was interested.
Teddy Roosevelt was, you know, annoyed with essentially, you know, environmental issues, actually, oddly enough.
shane cashman
Progressive.
Yeah, conservative.
will chamberlain
Pretty progressive.
Like he didn't like, you know, some big corporate interests screwing up the environment in certain states and, you know, getting away with it.
shane cashman
Gave us national parks.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
This is crazy.
It was created by the Attorney General.
He just one day brought in people and said, report to the Chief Examiner as investigators.
And then they gave a name to the group, the Bureau of Investigation.
And then in 1935, they renamed it the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
That's it.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
In which case, the executive branch could just literally be like, you're gone.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
Or just reroute it, like basically.
I mean, there might be other laws or other statutes that are like funding the FBI or Essentially mean, you know the civil service rules that protect the people there.
Okay, that's all fine But you could you could just strip it of authority and tell them all to go play bridge like, you know, not go kidnap a governor Yeah, right.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah all that you can stop doing that my animal brain My lizard brain has a hard time with the idea of it erasing the FBI because it's been with me my whole life So I'm like wouldn't that cause chaos?
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, you need to replace certain of its functions for sure, right?
Like, you don't want to, I mean, this is not, like, get rid of having a sort of federal police force.
There are things you need a federal police force for when it comes to enforcing federal law.
Yes, okay.
But, I mean, one thing I joked about was you just create a new Federal Justice Bureau.
You know, think about what the acronym is.
ian crossland
FJB.
tim pool
Agreed!
Just for that reason we do it!
will chamberlain
Right a new federal justice petition duplicates the functions of the FBI, but you just make all the current FBI
officials like reapply for their jobs Right, that would be you know
There's a lot of like clever things you could do given the fact that they don't
The whole the institution doesn't have that much statutory protection. How amazing would it be if Donald Trump gets reelected
tim pool
and then Immediately following his inauguration and swearing in he
doesn't address where he's like my fellow Americans You may remember a few years ago in the FBI
Came into my home It was terrible, terrible.
Everyone says it was one of the most terrible things.
I am signing an executive order.
There is no more FBI.
I understand the need for it, though.
shane cashman
I do.
unidentified
I get it.
ian crossland
But this has got to go.
shane cashman
There needs to be radical change.
tim pool
Right now, the institution itself is really corrupt and dysfunctional.
He can't get reelected. He's not gonna care. He's like do something. I don't know. I understand the need for it,
shane cashman
though I do I get it, but this has got to go. This is
will chamberlain
Like radical change my goodness like it and it's just a corrupt. It's right now
The institution itself is really good what president started the CIA
shane cashman
But whichever one did after JFK was assassinated I believe that president wrote a letter like an op-ed
saying we got to disband the CIA because he was convinced Scatter it to the wind.
He was convinced like they had something to do with it.
ian crossland
Harry Truman, 1947.
tim pool
It was Truman who said that.
shane cashman
Yeah, Truman said he created it after JFK was assassinated.
Then he wrote a letter saying, we got to disband the CIA.
And then the head of the CIA went and visited Truman and said, you got to not say that.
And he was like, nah, I'm saying.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
So like Truman created it.
shane cashman
Yep.
And then after JFK died, he wrote a letter saying, Not bad or something saying like, I think they got too much power.
unidentified
Wow.
shane cashman
That's not what I intended.
Yeah.
tim pool
Crazy.
shane cashman
Yeah.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
I don't know about like, I think the CIA certainly does have, you know, its fingers in some bad stuff, like a lot of bad stuff actually, but domestically it's like, it sounds like it's mostly the FBI.
will chamberlain
Yeah, the other thing, other unique thing you could do is, you know, we are kind of unique among western countries in that we have both the same institution handles both like federal policing and counterintelligence.
And those are not norm, those are not necessarily like combined functions, right?
One is like detecting spies and like thwarting foreign intelligence efforts, and the other is like just federal police work, right?
You know, investigating crimes and helping the DOJ prosecute them.
tim pool
If Donald Trump is going to get rid of the FBI, he's got to preserve the X-Files and make sure that they're the one thing.
Isn't the X-Files real though?
The X-Files show was based off of the filing they would do for things they couldn't explain.
Not like any agents actually like aliens are among us.
But they were like, hey, we don't know how this happened.
This is crazy.
shane cashman
Well, if people out there have watched the latest episode of Tales from the Inverted World, they would have seen the letter I wrote to President Carter about me demanding transparency of he, you know, when he was on the campaign trail, he promised to release all UFO documents because Carter saw UFO in Georgia.
And then he talked about it extensively in the campaign trail promising this.
And the second he got into office, like most politicians do, he backpedaled and didn't release anything because of national security, quote, unquote.
Oh yeah, he'll get back to you.
ian crossland
I think they were drone programs.
A lot of what people were told were alien or just... whether or not they have fusion packs on board, I wonder.
shane cashman
And that's what I tell them actually. It could be extraterrestrials, it could be our military,
tim pool
it could be international. It is totally fictional, but I remember reading, just want to clarify that,
I remember reading something that it was like the idea of the show came from something that
was really within the FBI.
ian crossland
Yeah, Air Force.
tim pool
It was the Air Force?
ian crossland
Yeah, I just said, well I just saw an article, was there a real life version of the X-Files?
The answer is yes, and it was part of the Air Force.
Alex Hollings, let me see if I can find the exact... Who says it's false?
tim pool
Wikipedia?
No, it says it's fictional.
shane cashman
That's the FBI, yeah.
tim pool
But that's a thing, like, it says it's a fictional case deemed unsolvable by the FBI.
I read somewhere that the show was inspired by something that, like, it's not literally the X-Files, but, like, somebody was reading about how the FBI couldn't solve something, and they're like, oh, we should do a show like that and call it something.
shane cashman
Well, they have certainly done experiments, like the remote viewing stuff where they'd sit the cops in a room or just bring people.
tim pool
The FBI did it.
shane cashman
I believe it was FBI.
tim pool
Well, you know about the men who stare at goats.
shane cashman
I haven't seen it, but yeah, I know about it.
Well, I what is based on right? Yeah, the stargate program.
ian crossland
Um, uh, were they drugging them up remote? Yeah What's the goat? So weird. Do they actually stare at goats?
unidentified
Weren't they trying to explode them or something? Oh, I don't know about that
tim pool
I think they were trying to use telekinesis to kill goats.
I'm not sure but I read I read about this But yeah, the u.s people like yo, bro, we were talking
about some crazy stuff downstairs like Cia masks
Like these super high tech mission impossible kind of masks they have. Yep
The heart attack gun.
Bro, the heart attack gun is real.
shane cashman
Let me pull this up.
Oh, it's hilarious.
You can go and there was a great channel on YouTube.
I think they nuked it.
It was called Film Archives.
And this person would upload great congressional hearings from the 50s, 60s, 70s.
80s up until now, actually.
And there was one with the heart attack gun there, kind of just passing around the heart attack gun.
You're like, oh, so you shoot this at someone and give them a heart attack?
unidentified
Okay, all right.
tim pool
The CIA's heart attack gun.
unidentified
Yeah, all right.
shane cashman
No doubt.
unidentified
No doubt.
shane cashman
So they had that in the 60s or 70s.
What?
tim pool
Frozen shellfish toxin would enter the target's bloodstream and kill them in mere minutes.
But I kind of wonder, like, couldn't you just put, like, anything?
unidentified
Oh my God, that's real.
shane cashman
Yeah, that's real.
unidentified
Yeah, that's it.
shane cashman
That's it.
tim pool
So the idea was back then, I guess it was hard to detect the toxin.
So if someone was shot by the dart, they would die and they'd be like, I don't know what happened.
These days, I mean, there's so much stuff.
I was reading about certain like vitamin mixtures that can cause cardiac arrest, heart attacks.
And that when they did your blood test, they would just see like potassium and sodium and stuff and be like, I don't know.
But like we've way advanced the craziness of this.
I will say though, If a powerful intelligence agency wants to kill somebody, it's really easy.
You get mugged.
That's it.
shane cashman
It's an easy way of covering it up.
tim pool
You go walking down the street and someone steals your phone.
unidentified
Right, exactly.
shane cashman
That's just diabolical.
tim pool
Bro, Havana effect?
Havana syndrome?
shane cashman
Oh, the sound?
That they were doing?
tim pool
I wonder if they're microwave blasting people.
shane cashman
Yeah, well, I mean, it's not sound, but it was affecting them.
It was sonar or something that they're blasting into them.
tim pool
Well, we don't know if it's sonar.
What we know is that people were reporting hearing like a buzzing noise or a humming noise, and then they would get photosensitivity.
They'd become like amnesiac, like their memories would become, you know, screwed up, and they'd That's nightmarish, dude.
If you start hearing a weird buzz, don't just be like, that's nothing, you should just leave the room, I guess?
unidentified
Or what?
shane cashman
I don't know.
ian crossland
There's no escape.
I used to think about this.
I think I've talked about this on the show.
I'd have this fantasy, what if all of a sudden everyone on earth wanted to kill me?
How long could I survive?
In this room?
Probably about seven seconds, because there's four of you guys.
If I'm driving, I would take this weapon.
will chamberlain
And that's an already like the sword there. There's the katana.
Yeah musket
unidentified
Feels like an episode of fortnight Yeah, this is an episode like an escape room, but we're trying to kill you.
will chamberlain
What is the best weapon to pick up inside the pod?
ian crossland
The deep state.
tim pool
Probably the gun.
unidentified
I'd take a guitar.
ian crossland
I think their purpose is to maintain stability.
tim pool
The meteorite is pretty good.
ian crossland
And if they think that you're a threat to stability, then they'll start to take an eye on you.
But if they think that you're helping them provide stability to the what?
The people of Earth?
Is that the plan?
shane cashman
Dude, they will get you no matter what, even if you're innocent bystander.
I just think of when Hillary Clinton apologized to everyone for back in the day when we dose people in Guatemala with syphilis, you know, just random people.
We'll just get you just because we want to know what happens when syphilis goes through the human body without being treated.
Same thing we did to Tuskegee.
ian crossland
What's this Guatemala syphilis thing?
shane cashman
It's like an extension of the Tuskegee syphilis experiment.
tim pool
I pulled up the sonic weapon wikipedia and they mentioned Havana syndrome.
Uh, it caused hearing loss and other problems.
They thought it was sonic attacks, but now, more recent reports hypothesize microwave energy as the cause.
will chamberlain
Well, there's also, like, a whole bunch of stuff about this being fake, right?
Havana syndrome, like, was... Like it was a mental thing.
Yeah, it was like a psychosomatic.
shane cashman
No, but, but... I think there's something there.
tim pool
The latest stuff that I read is there's way too many reports of it.
That it's, it's, like, with the same symptoms.
shane cashman
Right.
tim pool
That it, and, and it's, like, isolated to location, so it's...
There's something there.
shane cashman
I think I equate it to the sound because a few years ago, they were using those to get rid of riots.
They'd blast that wave at people.
Yeah, yeah, LRADs.
tim pool
Long range.
Bro, the first time I ever encountered an LRAD, it was so freaky.
So I've been at tons of these protests and riots where they've used these.
will chamberlain
What's an LRAD?
tim pool
Long Range Acoustic Device.
will chamberlain
Okay.
tim pool
So I think I'm in Anaheim.
Three blocks down the road, I can see a line of police.
All of a sudden, I hear, as if someone was standing right next to me, you must disperse.
This is an illegal protest or an illegal demonstration.
And then I was like, I turn, I'm like, what the?
And people are like, look, and you could see the LRAD on top of the vehicle.
They also do this high pitch thing at you.
And it like, it hurts, but it's not, if they wanted to, they could make your ears bleed.
Crazy stuff.
But I'll tell you some of the craziest stuff I've ever read, I don't know how true this is, that ultra low frequencies are one of the reasons they think people report haunted houses.
So that when you get hit by ultra low frequencies you can't interpret it as sound, but it hits your body in waves which causes like a sensation of someone being around you, it causes like feelings of dread, heart rate increasing, so people Maybe when they think they're seeing a ghost, it could be hit by ultra low frequencies of energy rushing through them.
Crazy stuff like that.
will chamberlain
Interesting.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
shane cashman
I'm beginning to think that ghosts, as much as I love the idea, is a me thing and not a ghost thing.
It's my interpretation.
ian crossland
It's probably both.
I think that the human spirit is real and like we have these magnetic fields, but also that we're bomb, the humans are experimenting by bombarding ourselves with radiation and mag, you know, low frequencies like harp, H-A-R-P.
I don't know if you guys studied much of high altitude.
shane cashman
I talked to some people at harp for a volume one of inverted world.
ian crossland
And they're, like, firing them up into space.
I thought they were killing the birds.
Might be happening on accident.
I think they are.
It's weird to think that ghosts are real and that we're interacting with ghosts.
shane cashman
Yeah, I think I want to clarify.
I do think there are ghosts also, because I grew up with one.
Very nonchalant.
It was a good ghost.
Blue-collar ghost.
But also, I think a lot of people see...
will chamberlain
What's wrong with white-collar ghosts?
Why do you have to be so resentful of the wealthier middle-management ghosts?
tim pool
When you have a blue-collar ghost, what happens is you wake up in the middle of the night with your plumbing fixed.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
When you get a white-collar ghost, they're just sitting there complaining about taxes and what's going on.
will chamberlain
They could do your taxes for you.
Why are you so discriminatory, guys?
shane cashman
No, I just didn't know them.
will chamberlain
They could provide you legal services.
shane cashman
I was in the middle of the woods.
There wasn't a lot of white-collar ghosts.
tim pool
It would be a hilarious bit.
A guy wakes up and he sees a ghost and he's like, who are you doing?
And it's like, Your taxes!
unidentified
Yeah, that's funny.
shane cashman
Ebenezer was probably visited by blue collar, not so many.
Oh, and he had a white collar ghost.
tim pool
Bro, I know what ghosts are.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
You want to know what ghosts are?
shane cashman
Of course, let's do this.
tim pool
So do you know about M-theory?
Membrane theory?
ian crossland
I know a little bit about that.
tim pool
That the universe is a multidimensional folding fabric that moves through and it's all crazy like.
Okay, I only half know what I'm talking about, so I probably mish-mashed crazy physics ideas to create some weird theory about ghosts.
shane cashman
That's science.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Think about this way.
If time is not linear, but if you expand out of, like, our perception of time being linear, but if you then zoom out above it, and it's more of, like, this, you know, moving fabric... What if time is a cube?
Perhaps.
Sorry.
But imagine it this way.
shane cashman
Let's shelf that.
tim pool
Because I was reading, like, membrane theory.
So you've got 1827.
All right.
And there is some dude wearing 1827 clothes.
And then somebody in 2016 walks into a building that was a historic building that was built in 1827.
So the framing is all relatively similar.
The floors are in the same places where the floors were.
All that stuff.
This person, in 2016, walks into a room, and then all of a sudden sees a semi-transparent figure standing before him, wearing clothes from the 1820s, and for a brief moment, looks at them and goes, and they go, they run away screaming, I just saw a ghost!
You know, it really happened.
The fabric of time between that 100 almost 200 year gap brushed against each other and very briefly that man in the 1820s clothes who saw the figure from the future screamed seeing a ghost.
They both thought each other were ghosts.
Then that guy writes down, this house is demonic, it is haunted.
That story gets passed down and people are like, whoa, a haunted house.
Then the person in the future goes there and when the time intersects briefly, just for
a flicker of a moment, they both see each other and create the paradox.
shane cashman
Two separate existences in two separate times folding into one another.
tim pool
Very briefly though.
shane cashman
Briefly.
Right.
tim pool
And so this is why old buildings tend to be haunted.
And so like if the building was knocked down and a different building was built, the floors would be in different places.
So the guy who's standing on the second floor would not appear to the same guy on the second floor because they've moved.
shane cashman
Right.
tim pool
But if the building is the same building from the 1800s, but remodeled and just reinforced over time, you would quite literally be standing in front of the person in the same physical space as time brushed past itself.
shane cashman
And this is like the ghost I grew up with, because I grew up in a house that was built in the 1700s.
And I think a lot of people died around that time as well in that house.
But the ghost that I investigated for Inverted World last year, he was, I shared his room, you know, I think, and I think we just crossed paths because we were in the same room, the same kitchen.
He, I think, was just like he felt comfort living there with us because he lost his family and now here he was with us.
tim pool
Time cube!
lydia smith
What is this?
will chamberlain
I don't know.
unidentified
Who brought this up?
will chamberlain
This is like, I didn't completely make this up because I remember when I did college debate, people would argue, this is like a response to anything on the affirmative and they had no idea whether they, instead, you know, the affirmative would get up and argue for some policy change and they'd be like, and the negative would get up and be like, time is a cube.
shane cashman
We concede.
tim pool
This is a guy who said that all modern sciences are participating in a worldwide conspiracy to teach lies by omitting his theory's alleged truth that each day actually consists of four days occurring simultaneously.
lydia smith
Better.
I like it.
tim pool
What does that even mean?
will chamberlain
I don't think anyone knows.
tim pool
Time is a cube.
ian crossland
When people will give you their theories, you've got to keep in mind that just because one theory is right doesn't mean another theory isn't also right.
Because I think a lot of these different scientific theories, they're arguing about which one's the right one.
A lot of them are just explaining the system from different perspectives.
So a lot of them are correct.
String theory is probably real.
Nassim Harriman's Schwarzschild proton papers are partly real as well.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
ian crossland
But they're different levels, different distances from the truth, so they look different coming into it.
tim pool
I think science is all wrong, and it always has been.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
And what I mean by that is we think we know so much and we constantly prove ourselves wrong.
So there's probably, there's obviously a ton of stuff we clearly know, like we've been able to make glass bottles, mass produce DVDs, build computers.
We clearly understand very, you know, powerful scientific, powerful science.
But when it comes to the abstract and theoretical stuff, we probably are getting almost all of it wrong.
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, I don't know.
I would say science is the whole art of knowing.
Essentially, all science does is disprove things.
ian crossland
Yeah, the scientific method.
will chamberlain
Right.
This is basic, like, Karl Popper and, like, what is a scientific statement and all that.
I mean, the idea is that science doesn't actually say anything is true.
tim pool
Well, so you guys want to know the secret to reality is that we shape it through our observation.
I learned that from watching a documentary called The Secret.
All rich people know this.
And the way it really works is you decide what's true and then find evidence to back it up and then assert it as truth.
And that's how you successfully become a leftist.
ian crossland
You can see the future.
shane cashman
That's how you collapse a city.
ian crossland
If a baseball is flying towards you, the light reflecting off the baseball hits your eye before the baseball gets there.
So you see it before it is there.
You start to anticipate.
tim pool
Your brain doesn't process the information fast enough.
ian crossland
Well, we, we, we perceive it as anticipation.
So you know where it's going to be, but you're actually seeing it before it gets there.
And it's like 0.08 seconds.
You know, you can see into the future 0.08 seconds.
So I think when people have like, we ever go to talk to someone and you have like, you get afraid right before you say it, then they react to the fear.
Or if you're like brave, right before you say it, they react to the bravery.
tim pool
That's how Ozymandias caught the bullet when Silk Spectre 2 fired at him in his Antarctic laboratory.
ian crossland
He saw the light faster.
tim pool
Hit it and caught it in his hand.
And that's how he survived.
ian crossland
I think you're right about ghosts being trapped to locations because there's this phantom DNA experiment where they'll put DNA inside of a vacuum, bombard it with photons, and the photons start to spin around the DNA as if it's there with it.
Then they remove the DNA from the vacuum.
The photons stay there as if the DNA was still there for like two weeks.
The photons will stay there and rotate.
And I wonder if that's just like an example of how long a ghost or a piece of energy could be bound to a spot and like I think time is a cube.
Bones in a graveyard?
I don't think that bones in a graveyard are like an anchor for energy like that, like
ghost energy.
tim pool
I think, you know, the reality is that there's a conspiracy to use fluoride to calcify our
third eye.
That's true.
Because humans do have the ability to shape reality, but the global elites don't want
the peasants to be able to.
shane cashman
Don't get me started on our third world water system.
unidentified
It really is Friday night, isn't it?
tim pool
This is a real conspiracy theory.
So the double slit experiment we've talked about before, and then there was another one someone brought up that was even crazier, but you guys are familiar with the double slit experiment, right?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I'll try to simplify it.
They take a metal sheet, they put a slit in it, they fired electrons, and they got a particle pattern.
Then they did two slits, and they fired electrons, and they got a wave pattern.
And so they're like, okay, that's weird.
Why are we getting a wave pattern?
It should be a particle pattern.
Let's measure which slit each electron is going through.
When they did, they got a particle pattern again.
So what the hippies said was, whoa, like by looking at it, like all of a sudden it changed.
And what physicists said was our measurement procedure interfered with the process.
And we don't know why, which is the smarter reasoning.
But so, so these people believe that human observation has the ability to shape reality.
So you'll, you'll, you'll hear new age.
People talk about manifesting things like my friend Robbie, who was like, so they're trans.
will chamberlain
Human observation has the power to shape reality.
tim pool
They mean it more literally than that.
So I'm trying to park my car in L.A.
at my friend Robby's house.
Shout out, Robby.
ian crossland
Yeah, Robby, what's going on, dude?
tim pool
Robby's a cool dude.
And he was like, where are you at?
I'm trying to find a parking space.
He goes, oh, bro, manifest it.
And I was like, what?
And he's like, bro, manifest a parking spot.
I was like, dude, I can't manifest a parking spot.
He's like, not that attitude.
So people believe that if you will it, it will happen.
And that the reason why we've lost that ability is because the global elite started putting fluoride in the water so that it would calcify our pineal glands, which are our third eye that grant us the ability.
It's a beautifully absurd idea.
ian crossland
I experimented on my own intuition.
But it's fun, right?
From like 2006 and 2007, I made YouTube videos about manifestation.
I was one of these hippie freaks Tim's talking about.
I'm going to manifest a glass of water and I'd be sitting there thinking like, water is in front of me.
I'll fix that later.
Water is in front of me.
There's water.
And I just like visualize and relax and like empty my mind.
Well, what happened is someone would come in and they'd be like, Hey, you want a glass of water?
And I'd be go.
Yeah.
And I realized I'm not making things apparate out of nowhere.
I'm affecting the human consciousness with my thoughts.
Or sometimes people are nice.
You know, I do have to be honest though.
tim pool
I've slowly stopped believing in some coincidences just because the reality that we're in has become so absurd.
It doesn't feel like probability makes sense.
shane cashman
It's post-reality.
tim pool
No, just like everything that's happened with Trump and the way he behaves and the things that are happening, it's like, how is this probabilistic?
It should be so exceedingly rare, but so many strange things are happening at once that it seems like we've won the lottery 10 times in a few years.
Like Brian Stelter and Liz Cheney going out in the same week is like, come on, that's like winning the lottery twice in two days.
But it really is, you know?
And then people are saying it comes in threes.
Now, why is that it comes in threes?
lydia smith
We used to say that about deaths at the hospital.
tim pool
And people are saying that Sam Harris was the third.
Sam Harris cancelled himself with this insane statement, and it's like, that's actually a good point.
Liz Cheney loses, Brian Seltzer gets fired, and Sam Harris implodes on a show to insane virality.
ian crossland
And then I'm thinking of all the technology we have right now.
This is like winning the lottery, having access to electricity and TV and video.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
So like, that's not a coincidence.
This is not a coincidence that these things are happening.
This is intentional.
shane cashman
We're creating... I just wonder if sometimes the world is... The world, I think, is always absurd.
Humans are always absurd and beautiful.
And maybe now we're seeing all the coincidences because of all the information that we have access to.
You know, maybe the weird things were always happening at the same time.
will chamberlain
I mean, there is obviously, like, serious observation bias and, like, things coming.
I mean, yeah.
But that said, yeah, you're right.
We live in an awesome world.
We're so lucky to have what we have.
And it's also creating things that we wouldn't have ever anticipated.
tim pool
I'll let you guys in on a secret, though.
That documentary, The Secret, have you ever seen it?
will chamberlain
No.
shane cashman
I've heard about it.
You gotta watch it.
tim pool
It's from like the early 2000s or something like that.
2007-ish.
2007, late 2007.
And the secret is that all powerful people throughout history believed in the concept of manifestation.
Is that what it is?
ian crossland
More or less, yeah.
It's like like attracts like kind of idea.
tim pool
So I will tell you this of the like the very successful and well-off people I know the majority of them really do believe they have magic powers and you think I'm exaggerating like bro I've sat down with famous actors and actresses and celebrities and they casually talk about their magic and then you look at these people And their wealth and success and I'm like my view is perhaps because you've had an easy life of wealth and success you assume you must have magic and it's actually malignant narcissism.
But these people actually believe no the reality is that they believe in their magic and that's granted them easy access and easy life.
And you know, what I can accept about some of that is like, yeah, it really doesn't make sense how you got to this position.
It's not like you worked really hard and earned it.
It's like you went to the right place at the right time and then got chosen and all of a sudden you're successful and rich.
It's like, well, the reality is you were a driven person who sought out opportunity and you had the talent and drive and passing that off as magic is just, you're kind of insulting yourself.
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, it's also a fake humility.
Right?
Like you're saying, you didn't actually, you know, Oh, I just, you know, I just, I just got lucky.
I just happen to have these powers.
tim pool
But they're not saying they're lucky, they're saying they will it into existence.
Like, that they choose what happens and it happens for them.
They choose to make money and then they get money and things like that.
It's like they have force powers.
shane cashman
I wonder if they think we all have access to that power.
If they're just using it better.
ian crossland
A lot of them just say stuff like that.
Like the calcification of the Penelian, like the loss of access to the DMT sometimes people will say gives you less access to your magic.
tim pool
I think it's simple.
I think that idea of like a vision board.
They say like put your goals on a board in your room and then every day you look at it.
And I'm like, you know, the saying out of sight out of mind.
Well, there's an inverse of that.
If you're focused on it every day, it's not magic.
It's just you're directing yourself.
And yeah, you're staying focused.
unidentified
It's that simple.
shane cashman
Well, here's a weird... I'll try to tell a story quickly, but it was Christmas Eve many years ago.
I was going down to Times Square to see my wife, and I was on the train reading a book.
An old lady sat next to me.
She wanted to see what book I was reading.
She was interested in it.
It was a Saul Bellow book.
And I had no idea who she was.
I had just graduated from my writing program.
I had no life.
I had no money, nothing.
She's talking to me.
It was great.
We leave.
She says goodbye and she whispers in my ear, I'm Kurt Vonnegut's widow.
And I love Kurt Vonnegut.
And the only thing on my wall at the time was a quote from Kurt Vonnegut.
I had that taped on my wall for a year.
And I had just graduated the writing program with that looking at that every day
And I just so happened to be on the train something I never did really all that much because I was upstate to see my
Family I was like what are the odds that I just graduated this program thinking of Vonnegut this whole time and then
unidentified
his ex-wife Is sitting next to me?
shane cashman
It's bizarre.
tim pool
I've had so much stuff in my life that's just been like that.
shane cashman
It's bizarre.
tim pool
That it makes you, I think for a lot of people, if you haven't experienced that,
then you're less likely to be faithful or religious in some capacity.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
But for people, this is the funny thing, like I talk to people who are like really not religious
and they never have stories like that, I ask them about it.
And then you meet someone who's religious and they'll tell you about serendipity or like
these magical moments in their lives that they feel is like outside of probability.
And so it makes them believe that we were experiencing something greater, something more constructive.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Whatever it was, maybe it was magic, maybe it was just coincidence, but I cried.
And when she left, I was like, holy crap.
And I used that as like a symbol for me to be like, I'm on some kind of right path.
ian crossland
I think people are like, I guess you call them pattern recognition machines.
When you're thinking something, your brain activity is creating a neural pattern, whether the eyes might not perceive it, but her brain is perceiving it.
Whether or not you can see it, I don't think.
shane cashman
And then I got to go to her house.
I saw where Vonnegut wrote.
Like I became friends with her, you know, I'm still talking to her and like, I got to see his desk.
I got to see all this stuff.
So it was like, it blew my mind.
tim pool
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shane cashman
Yeah, Kardashians, CIA.
tim pool
More of this.
ian crossland
Yeah, I know.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
I love it.
I love it.
You're like, it really is Friday night, isn't it?
shane cashman
Time is a cube.
tim pool
Here we go.
Tiberius says, God, we are living in the future.
Ian, have you seen the nuclear diamond batteries or the handheld coil gun?
God, are we in the future?
It's amazing.
ian crossland
I haven't seen a handheld coil gun, but hell yes, I've seen the nuclear batteries.
tim pool
The nuclear diamond batteries?
ian crossland
What is that?
Uh, I think that there's a bit of leftover nuclear waste that they put inside of diamond and then it produces, um, oh gosh, how does it produce charge?
Is it a neutron pulse that it's sending out?
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Sending out some sort of pulse through the diamond that's, and then the diamond is vibrating and then capturing the energy, I believe, creates a really low power electrical charge for like 10,000 years.
Never, and it's nuclear waste that you use to make the batteries.
tim pool
Oh, I've heard of that.
I've heard, I think we talked about it before.
ian crossland
Yeah, we could, it's a couple of years ago.
It was a breakthrough.
tim pool
All right, Augusto Mimoche says, Shane, a good friend of mine and I want to do an on-site investigation into the mythical Dulce, New Mexico alien base.
You in?
shane cashman
That sounds like fun.
tim pool
Yeah, what is that?
shane cashman
I don't know anything about it, but I'm in.
tim pool
It's really cool how people have submitted weird ghost stories to Shane, and now you're lining up these investigations.
I love the ghost hunter stuff, but I don't like how fake it is.
I want real ghost hunting.
shane cashman
Yeah.
That's what I say.
Like when I was in this, in this town for, uh, volume two of inverted world, it's kind of known for ghosts.
So they know a lot of the ghost hunter types and they show up with like the whatever the machines.
And that's not what I do at all.
I like the stories and hearing the experiences, but I'm not going to try to prove something.
Cause I think it's ridiculous.
ian crossland
You'd need to get there are machines that can find really low like sensitivity, but you need to somehow dampen the outer layer around you like with a Faraday mechanism to not have interference.
shane cashman
I need a Faraday mechanism.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm gonna hit up Elon.
All right.
unidentified
I think the alien scientists can build. Yeah, I'm gonna hit up Elon. All right.
tim pool
All right. Omega Rossett says Tim is wrong.
It's all about looks for both men and women.
Dude gets friend zoned because he is not attractive to women.
80% goes for top 20% of men.
will chamberlain
No, that's totally not true.
tim pool
Well, that's true of dating apps.
will chamberlain
Sure.
tim pool
When it's superficial.
But this story I'm telling you about this guy, bro, I know Short little weaselly dudes who got all the ladies because they're powerful men.
Because they figured out how to succeed, how to dominate conversations.
shane cashman
Confidence.
tim pool
Yeah, all of that stuff.
will chamberlain
Biologically.
A very traditionally aesthetically attractive man will become extraordinarily unattractive to a woman if he behaves like a coward.
tim pool
I think this was the science of sex, this thing they did on HBO a long time ago.
They had women rate a bunch of men on a scale of 1 to 10.
And then they took the pictures and they showed them to women on the street and said, how would you rate this man?
And sure enough, the average score the man got was around the same score the woman on the street would give him.
So this guy in like a flannel shirt with like chiseled in a beard and he looks tall.
They're like, oh, he's a nine.
He's a nine.
They then took these things and added biographical information.
And that same guy who was a 9, they wrote that he was a theater manager who made $35,000 a year, and the women rated him a 7.
They took the guy who was rated a 4, and they said he was a computer software engineer who made $600,000 a year, and they rated him a 7.
So, like, that stuff matters to women for obvious reasons.
ian crossland
Yeah, they want genetic superiority for their children, and if they think that you can get them money and safety with your personality, you're gonna be much more attractive.
tim pool
It's success.
It's like, this is safe and important.
The success of the man's status is more important.
For guys, it's like, can she reproduce?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
No, I mean, it's like the idea that it's just looks for men is, I mean, completely, completely false.
It's not true at all.
tim pool
It's bimodal.
For guys, it's not all looks, but it's mostly looks.
And for women, it's not mostly looks, but looks do matter.
will chamberlain
Yeah, looks matter.
I mean, looks matter.
Looks can get you in the door.
shane cashman
Looks definitely matter, but it's also like, can we have a family?
ian crossland
Like healthy.
shane cashman
Can we raise kids in this really absurd world?
will chamberlain
Like, are you competent?
Are you socially, are you basically competent?
Like if you're a complete slob, then you're not.
Yeah.
ian crossland
I was such a loser nerd in high school and as soon as I got to college I started acting and as soon as I got a good role and like did a good job on stage I got the hottest girlfriend.
tim pool
I gotta give a slow clap to Curtis C on this one.
He super chats, if Uncle Ben had a gun as per the second amendment he probably would be alive but they lived in New York and Ben probably couldn't carry a gun legally and now Peter lives with guilt.
Bravo!
That hit the nail on the head.
That actually is correct.
I would love to see Spider-Man be like, I failed to see where that's my problem.
And then he walks outside and hears a gunshot and he goes, Uncle Ben!
And Uncle Ben's like, I got him, son.
unidentified
We're good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
End of story.
tim pool
That would be legit.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The criminal, the armed criminal pulls out a gun to try and steal his car and Ben just is like, nope.
It's like, it's my right to defend myself.
And then Spider-Man's like, wow.
And then, but then Ben says the same thing.
Son, with great power comes great responsibility.
That'd be awesome.
If I had let that man go who was armed and trying to kill people, who knows?
He could have killed somebody's uncle.
will chamberlain
Right.
And then Spider-Man just becomes a second amendment advocate all of a sudden.
unidentified
Yeah.
shane cashman
Bruce Wayne's parents could have done it, too.
will chamberlain
That's his hero story.
tim pool
You know what we need to do?
We need to do skits of, like, superhero origin stories, but their parents had guns.
Because, like, how many origin stories, like, the kid got orphaned?
shane cashman
It's like a Disney movie.
tim pool
Uncle Ben pulls a gun.
John, what was Bruce Wayne's dad's name?
lydia smith
Tom.
tim pool
Tom, Thomas Wayne.
I was gonna say John Wayne.
Thomas Wayne.
He's like, it's a scene where the guy's like, give me your money.
He goes, be cool.
I'll grab him my wallet.
Bang!
unidentified
Superman.
tim pool
And he goes, and that son is why you carry it.
will chamberlain
Right.
And then the end of the story is Bruce Wayne just becomes a normal big law litigator.
Just a normal, normal rich kid turned big law litigator.
unidentified
The end.
tim pool
I need, I need to like commission somebody to actually like make these shorts.
will chamberlain
That'd be hilarious.
tim pool
Yeah, actually, we could look at tons of origin stories and just, like, correct them with, like, sane policies so they don't happen.
will chamberlain
Right, yeah, like, the whole traumatic event doesn't happen and then they end up living some normal, boring life.
tim pool
Like, the Joker story is actually, like, really simple, too.
He gets, like, he gets good health care from a good doctor with, like, a proper health system and then, you know, he just lives a normal life.
will chamberlain
Right.
ian crossland
Has, like, three kids.
will chamberlain
Becomes a psychopathic.
tim pool
What other tragic origin stories?
ian crossland
Superman, the dad, could get like a bazooka and blow up the asteroid.
I don't know, maybe they could use some giant weapon, space weapon that they've been building to blow up the asteroid and save the planet.
tim pool
Krypton was destroyed because... Was it an asteroid?
Well, depending on which iteration of it, it was that they were like overdeveloping and had destroyed the planet's core or something like that.
So that could be like...
Environmentalism, I guess.
But it's not as funny as Thomas Wayne pulling a gun.
shane cashman
Yeah, the real humans.
tim pool
Or Uncle Ben being armed.
That was great, dude.
Curious Bravo.
Uncle Ben just shooting the guy before he shoots him.
He's like, remember, son, this is why we carry.
Spider-Man then, instead of making web shooters, he just brings guns with him.
shane cashman
Yeah, it's a Western now.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yes.
shane cashman
I'm into that.
lydia smith
Perfect.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Fabian Alvarez says, Tim, did you guys see the huge drug bust in Florida?
Drugs flying from LAX in bags, unhidden in domestic flights to Florida.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Well, I'm confident Rhonda Sanders is gonna clean up those streets, man.
will chamberlain
We need to go full Singapore.
I'm getting more and more, like, hardcore.
I used to be, like, so anti-war on drugs, and now I'm going to the opposite position, which is, like... Yeah, but not Singapore.
tim pool
I'm not, you know... Not weed.
Singapore kills.
shane cashman
Yeah, it depends on the drugs.
will chamberlain
I mean, one of the points they made, and I had never actually heard this articulated very well, like, think about, like, a fentanyl dealer and, like, how many deaths they cause as a result of their dealing.
Like way more than a single murder.
ian crossland
Yeah, are they, is that a violent act?
Because if you sell someone a drug that kills them, are you then killing them?
I mean, I kind of think you are.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, I think you're morally culpable, right?
Like you're selling someone an addictive substance that will like eventually,
that eventually kills some very large percentage of them, right?
Like I would say that you're morally culpable, right?
With fentanyl, for sure.
That's the position of Singapore.
Unless we are this draconian, otherwise we have mass drug use.
shane cashman
Do they draw the line on certain drugs?
How do they define drugs?
will chamberlain
Basically, it's the death penalty for certain trafficking amounts.
Above a certain amount, it's a trafficking amount, and that's the death penalty.
shane cashman
What's the amount?
will chamberlain
Depends on the drug, right?
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
Probably a very small amount.
will chamberlain
For heroin, it's extremely small.
And they just have, you know, I mean, I think that it makes more moral sense from the, I guess, from Singapore's perspective.
They're a small country, and they just have warnings.
Like, when you come into Singapore, they're like, we have the death penalty for drug trafficking.
Don't even think about it.
lydia smith
Try it.
will chamberlain
Right.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Selena Kyle, uh, that's Catwoman, isn't it?
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Says, speaking of Kardashians just amassing wealth and not doing enough, what's enough?
Kim is working on getting men out of prison, willing to meet up with Trump to advocate for her cause, and went to law school.
Is that enough?
unidentified
I totally agree.
tim pool
I should clarify in case it came off, in case I did say that.
I'm not saying she wasn't.
I'm talking about there are a lot of people who just amass wealth and don't do anything, but that is respectable.
She worked on criminal justice reform.
shane cashman
Rideshare programs, I think.
People were getting out of jail.
She was hooking up a program for them to get car rides to job interviews.
Also awesome.
tim pool
But I will stress too, like, Maybe it's better that some people don't do anything.
Because otherwise you get like a Mackenzie Bezos who puts $2 billion into Wokers.
will chamberlain
Yeah, some people should just take their money and, you know, spend it on rich people things.
Their judgment as to what is a good cause is just not good enough.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's see what we got.
KC91 says, Hey guys from Australia.
Love all your work and listen every day while I'm working.
Keep it up.
Ian, you always make me look at things from a different angle, even if I don't agree.
ian crossland
That's it.
shane cashman
Perfect.
You won.
ian crossland
But the danger is always doing it.
You got to find balance.
Sometimes you want to look at it straight ahead.
shane cashman
Yeah.
It's easy to dance off the cliff of sanity sometimes.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Being too open-minded, your brain will fall out.
tim pool
Gem R says, in the internet age, we're going to have to have to be more accepting.
We're going to have to be more accepting of politicians being real, whether that's a 36-year-old partying or someone having crap opinions on Twitter at 16.
You know, I get that, though, but When that Finnish Prime Minister was like booty dancing and stuff, apparently like the guy kissing her in the dance isn't her husband.
Like there's a lot going on there.
And the other thing is, we do have to expect people to be more real, but you'll never see a video of me doing that.
ian crossland
Well, never say never.
shane cashman
Everyone just said, oh, shucks.
tim pool
I mean, like, taking off the beanie and getting all sweaty.
Come on.
I do goofy stuff and will probably film stuff with with Cast Castle.
But my point is that when you're looking for a leader, there are people right now.
Who might goof off a little bit in that way, but world leaders tend to be very steadfast and serious, or at least that's what we expect.
I was talking about this in a segment earlier.
Everyone's partying in the city with the city lights going off, and the soldiers at the city walls are standing steadfast to make sure everyone's safe.
And that's the person you want leading your country, to make sure you're safe as you're dancing.
Not to have the leader go off and go dancing when Russia's knocking on your door with nuclear weapons.
ian crossland
Yeah, your military commander should not be getting drunk with the troops.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I actually think about that.
Like, think about if you're just a random soldier in the Finnish military, what you'd think of seeing your, the leader of, head of the government acting this way.
Like, especially with like, you know, you just joined NATO.
tim pool
Russia's threatening a nuclear deployment on your border?
will chamberlain
Like, there's a lack of seriousness there that I would be annoyed by, like, if I were serving.
ian crossland
Is she the head of their military?
will chamberlain
I don't know if they have the same sort of commander-in-chief structure, but I assume she's the head of government.
I assume the government would declare war if they ever went to war.
The government is responsible for setting the rules of the draft and the rules of their service.
tim pool
Roberto Lara says, so what Tim is saying is the billionaires are building doomsday bunkers and becoming dual citizens to, dare I say, evading the tax the rich phrase?
Bro, it is crazy how the rich get away with not paying taxes.
will chamberlain
Yeah, they don't need to go to New Zealand and set up a thing to not pay taxes.
They just don't pay taxes.
tim pool
But it's like, I really do feel like there's no real way to solve the issue of getting people who have massive amounts of wealth to pay taxes.
And I'm not talking about wealth tax garbage, that makes no sense.
There's an issue of just how, when you have a ton of money, how you can structure it to where you don't pay money on the income generated, be it capital gains or otherwise.
Like the Panama Papers, for instance, we know it.
I'm not a fan of taxes, though, so I'm not entirely sure, like, if the solution is just give the money to the government.
I'm not opposed to a taxation system if the government wasn't overtly corrupt, so, you know, I'm not gonna pretend to have the answer, so I'm just gonna stand on the fence, how about that?
ian crossland
It'd be cool if the government was like, here's what we need, and then we paid for that with the taxes, as opposed to them being like, this is how much money we need, then they don't even tell you what it's for.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Where's it going?
ian crossland
Justify it.
shane cashman
Yeah.
It's like all the taxes I was paying in New York.
I don't know where they went.
The infrastructure was terrible.
tim pool
Crazy taxes, too.
shane cashman
Terrible.
tim pool
Crazy Savior says Lex Friedman had an intriguing conversation with Donald Hoffman about the nature of reality, consciousness, and the future of science and physics.
Truly mind-bending stuff.
That's what we got to get going with the Inverted World podcast.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Originally it was just a podcast.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Or it was actually like articles in a podcast, but now that we've like kind of changed it, we are like, we need a more podcast element of conversations about this stuff instead of the storytelling stuff.
shane cashman
We did do a great series of members only interviews and Ian was my first guest and it was amazing.
ian crossland
We should do that again.
shane cashman
Yeah.
Once Tim locks me in the haunted house again.
tim pool
You're free to go get locked in whenever you want, bro.
ian crossland
I've seen it.
shane cashman
We're going to do it soon, so you'll be back.
And yeah, Donald Hoffman's pretty cool.
He's got some pretty freaky ideas about reality and observation.
I haven't seen that though.
tim pool
One cool thing too is that we have the music video for our song Only Ever Wanted, which is like 90% done.
The ad for it is up in Times Square.
Shane is the star, along with his wife Nancy, and she's the star of the song art itself.
shane cashman
Yeah, that's wild.
tim pool
So we locked him in a haunted house and then filmed him fighting with his wife, you know?
shane cashman
Yeah, he's like, you made me fight my wife.
It's like the Joker scene.
He broke a pool stick.
tim pool
I wasn't there.
I told my henchman.
ian crossland
Make him fight his wife.
unidentified
Make him suffer.
shane cashman
Then make her cry.
Yeah, well, you'll see.
unidentified
You'll see.
shane cashman
The video looks awesome, though, and the song is really cool.
ian crossland
Worth it.
shane cashman
Yeah, totally worth it.
We're still fighting now.
tim pool
It's, um, we couldn't even figure out the genre.
It's like a weird pop and also rock, but it's like two different songs almost.
It's like the same song, but we've had a tremendous response for it.
So I'm excited.
We'll see what happens.
It's like, um, it's like very emotional kind of pop song, I guess.
shane cashman
I don't know.
I hate even using genres.
I hate thinking of them.
I know it's like the easy route, but, but for me, that song is just catchy.
It's been stuck in my head a lot.
So it's a good thing.
ian crossland
We should show, well, we'll wait.
Once it launches, we'll show it on the show.
tim pool
Yeah, because the way we want to have an impact on the culture, so we were hoping that it charts and does all that normal stuff like, you know, John Rich's progress hit number one on iTunes for like eight days or whatever.
He was Billboard, I think, Billboard Top 65, which is huge in the Hot 100.
I think it was Hot 100, 65.
That's massive.
Yeah, that's great.
So, you know, we're hoping that we can start building culture.
And then, you know, what I see with The Daily Wire when they do this stuff, they just hired a Disney executive.
And a lot of people were like, you better explain why you're doing this.
And I'm like, bro, this is amazing.
They work for them now.
Like the executives of Disney are going to work for conservative guys.
Like that's called winning.
shane cashman
Yeah.
tim pool
Like you're, you're absorbing all of that.
I think it's fantastic.
ian crossland
It's like operation paperclip when the Nazi scientists did benefit the US.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah.
shane cashman
Use those rockets to get to the moon.
If it's even there.
tim pool
All right.
Mike Gibson says Art Bell on his show did an experiment where he had all his listeners focus on different things, and every time what they were focusing on happened.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
No.
tim pool
That's Coast to Coast, right?
shane cashman
That is Coast to Coast.
Yeah, I don't know about that episode, but that's cool.
tim pool
But what happened?
Like, how do you do that?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Can we do that somehow?
I wonder what year that was.
Yeah.
shane cashman
I want to start that.
tim pool
What should we have people focus on?
Like, world peace?
ian crossland
Yeah.
shane cashman
Yeah, world peace.
There you go.
tim pool
Getting Trump elected?
shane cashman
Which is world peace.
tim pool
Well, we hope it is.
Certainly not if you're like Biden.
ian crossland
I want to do a group meditation.
We tried this in 2007, but the infrastructure wasn't there.
But to do a live video stream where we all got on and we all meditated together with our video cameras up.
And it was just, we tried to do it on stickum.com, but it couldn't handle more than 20 people at a time.
We had like hundreds and hundreds, maybe even, I don't know how many, but we could do that again.
The infrastructure is getting to the point where we could have like 10,000 people in a video chat.
shane cashman
Yes.
ian crossland
Getting there.
tim pool
We'll turn off HAARP.
unidentified
Yeah, turn off HAARP or turn on HAARP.
shane cashman
Interesting.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
So LayCucumberLime says, I used to be homeless.
I was taught the magic.
It's definitely real.
You see what you look for.
The secret is that it's always been there.
shane cashman
Awesome.
Congrats on that.
will chamberlain
Cool.
tim pool
We should, uh, get everybody to focus on something.
I don't know.
YouTube apologizing to Steven Crowder?
Everybody just imagine in your mind YouTube removing the strike from Crowder's channel and apologizing, admitting they were wrong.
shane cashman
50 lashes to themselves.
tim pool
Reversing their policies on censorship.
will chamberlain
Imagine the FBI being disbanded.
tim pool
The thing about Crowder that's crazy is it was Carrie Lakes that made comments about the election.
She's the GOP primary candidate for governor.
What she says is of paramount importance to this election, and they took it down.
ian crossland
So I imagine, I didn't see the episode, but that Steve just didn't push back.
tim pool
I don't know.
I don't know.
It's just, if you make the claims or whatever, I guess.
ian crossland
If someone makes a claim, you gotta push back on it on TV, otherwise YouTube's like, ah, they're promoting it.
And you're like, no.
tim pool
But what she said wasn't even about, like, Trump.
She was talking about Arizona's... I don't know exactly what was said, but that's... Either way, it shouldn't matter.
Someone who is going to potentially be the governor, like, is saying things... I'll tell you this.
If the fear is those ideas would hurt Republicans, then YouTube's helping Republicans, I guess.
Because now the moderates aren't going to be hearing those things, and the Democrats will struggle to use it as a weapon.
All right, Sleep is the Cousin of Death says, good things happen to me equals magic, aka narcissism.
But I'll go one step further.
They weren't just saying like, all these good things happen to me, it must be magic.
They were saying like, I have chosen for a thing to happen to me, and it did.
ian crossland
With acting, you notice it in the entertainment industry a lot.
It's more sensitive because your mood when you go into the audition is a big part of whether or not you get the role.
And if you believe you're gonna get it, and you have that confidence and friendliness to you, they love you and they want you there.
tim pool
Ivan Ortiz says, Tim, you didn't hear it from me, but it seems Ghost Girl is a fed who opposes returning carts when she shops.
She failed the test.
So that's Mary Morgan, co-host of Pop Culture Crisis.
So the trick is, whenever you're going to hire someone, what you do is you invite them out to hang out, to meet everybody, and then you say, That's a great test.
run to the grocery store and pick up some drinks and you know some soda and
some pizzas maybe and then when you go you bring you you bring the shopping
cart unload it and then you wait to see if they put it back and if they don't
unidentified
you don't hire them. That's great test. I always return the cart.
ian crossland
I ride on it.
I run and I jump on it and ride it.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a little fun.
We were talking about this once with someone we were looking to hire, like as a joke, not seriously doing it.
And then as we were walking to the car and joking, like, oh yeah, I remember the thing about the shopping cart.
And then the dude actually just returned the shopping cart.
We all started laughing.
Because we weren't seriously considering doing that.
But I will say, though, that actually is a good test.
Is this person willing to do a little bit extra without reward because it's the right thing to do?
ian crossland
I think about picking up garbage, too.
If you're walking down the street and you see a wrapper, just pick it up.
shane cashman
I actually talked about this in another interview a few years ago because I'm always thinking about it.
I always return the cart.
And then I got some backlash from mothers who say when they're in the parking lot and they feel a little uncomfortable, Dang.
So you're making up for those.
I like that.
from whatever nefarious things might be in their periphery, they just leave the cart wherever.
ian crossland
Well, you know, sometimes I get, I grab a couple other carts and I'll return three of them.
shane cashman
Dang.
So you're making up for those.
ian crossland
Above and beyond.
shane cashman
I like that.
They should pay you.
ian crossland
Those that cannot do, I will do for them.
tim pool
Anonymous Steve says, Tim, thank you kindly, Bioshock vibes.
That's literally why I say, would you kindly.
Because I'm commanding you to do it.
So I guess the people who know Bioshock, when I say, would you kindly smash the like button.
shane cashman
Oh, funny.
tim pool
I'm trying to force you to do it.
ian crossland
You're manifesting it.
shane cashman
Hulk smash the like button.
ian crossland
I didn't watch it.
tim pool
It was a video game.
shane cashman
Oh, okay.
tim pool
I thought it was a cartoon.
It's like based off of, it's like the art and ideas of Ayn Rand into this kind of game.
It's such a masterpiece.
You really should play it.
Have you seen it?
Which game?
Bioshock.
will chamberlain
Oh, I've heard it. Yeah, I've heard of it.
tim pool
So it's like a city built underwater called Rapture, and it's like objectivist society, basically.
It's just amazing.
But it's a very, very old game, so spoiler alert for whatever reason.
But throughout the game, there's a guy talking to you over like a communications device, and he says,
would you kindly, whenever the game shifts to like, the player loses control, he's like,
He's like, would you kindly pull that lever for me?
And things like that, where you have to do it.
And it's because you're mind controlled when he says, would you kindly, it's a command that forces you to do it.
So when I say, would you kindly smash the like button, it's mind control.
It's a gag.
I mean, most people don't know the reference.
Wouldn't think anything, wouldn't think twice.
All right.
We'll just grab a couple more of these super chats if it's working.
Cause YouTube keeps crashing on us and I don't know why.
ian crossland
I do the manifestation where I'll be like, you subscribed to the channel.
You liked it.
You liked the video as well.
And then you just let it roll.
tim pool
Check this out.
Le Courrier Des Bois says, Tim, previously you were talking about BookIt and how you got ads without searching for it.
I never did either.
And the day after watching your show, I started getting BookIt ads like you did.
Love y'all from Quebec.
So you remember Bukkit from Pizza Hut?
Not pizza, but like in school you get the little Bukkit wheel and if you read the book you get like a free donut and you get a pizza.
You don't remember this?
No, it didn't happen.
Jack talks about Pizza Hut nationalism and we were talking about how they had the Bukkit program where if you finished the book report you got a wheel and had coupons on it.
And then my parents showed me a Dunkin' Donuts, I got a free donut.
We go to Pizza Hut, you get the free personal pizza.
And then the next day, it was Pandora actually, I was playing music when I was skating, and an ad popped up and in big blue letters said, book it.
And I was like, what?
Book it doesn't exist anymore.
Or at least as far as I know, it doesn't.
And this ad was for a travel company that said, book it.
I'm like, whatever is spying on me didn't understand what book it was and assumed it
was a travel thing.
unidentified
It tried.
tim pool
Yeah.
Unless, you know, people think our devices are spying on us.
Some have said it's just the algorithm predicting our behavior.
Or it could be that we live in a simulation.
And your reality is constructed by what you think and see and...
That's right.
So, ladies and gentlemen, would you kindly smash that like button?
Subscribe to this channel.
Would you kindly share the show with your friends?
And would you kindly become a member at TimCast.com to support our work and check out all of our shows?
It's been a fun Friday night.
You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.
You can follow me personally at TimCast.
Will, do you want to shout anything out?
will chamberlain
Other than my Twitter, I'm at Will Chamberlain on Twitter.
That's where most of my content is going right now.
Also, follow the Article 3 Project and the Internet Accountability Project.
Article 3 is doing a bunch of good stuff.
Mike Davis, the guy who runs Article 3, is doing great commentary on the FBI raids and their illegality.
Right on.
shane cashman
Awesome.
I am Shane Cashman everywhere, Instagram, Twitter, and you can follow Tales from the Inverted World.
We got the first two episodes of Ghosts of the Civil War up on YouTube, and first episodes on our Facebook at Tales from the Inverted World, and the rest is on TimCast.com.
We're on episode seven right now, and it's a blast.
I'm really proud of our team.
They're killing it, and looking forward to the next volume, which I've already started.
tim pool
This is like the we need to get the mobile apps and I know this is the big hurdle for us because we've been talking with some OTT developers about we've got hit by a bunch of a bunch of people have hit us up about making the app.
This is the best show for when you're like driving home late at night or you're on a road trip and you just play every episode and it's just like.
shane cashman
Yeah.
That was like one of the best comments we've, we've gotten.
It was like, someone drove from like LA to, to Vegas, listening to Inverted World.
tim pool
This is what I was thinking when I was like, we got to do something like this.
Cause I remember when I went on a road trip, that's all I want to do is play ghost stories, call-in shows, like, you know, stuff like that.
I was like, we need something like that.
shane cashman
Yeah.
No, it's been exciting.
It's great.
I'm really proud of the season and I'm looking forward to doing the next podcast.
ian crossland
Well, I'm Ian Crosland.
unidentified
Oh, sorry.
ian crossland
No, hey, don't even worry, Shane.
I'm more excited about the Tales from the Inverted World.
Yeah, I'm working on it with you.
shane cashman
Yeah, no, that was fun.
Please check out that interview.
It's on Timcast.
It was a lot of fun.
ian crossland
Ladies and gentlemen, you are liking this video.
You're smashing the bell button and you are subscribed to Timcast IRL.
You are having a great night and good things are coming to you.
unidentified
Bye.
lydia smith
Beautiful.
And if with that positive affirmation, I will sign off as well.
You guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com at Sarapetulids.
If you guys want to hear more of my inane ramblings, I do short little Instagram lives every week, every day, pretty much at about 5.15 p.m.
at RealSarapetulids on Instagram and also at sarapetulids.me.
tim pool
Tomorrow you will wake up.
You will instantly think good thoughts and feel happy.
You will pull up your phone and go to chickencitylive.com.
And then you will laugh and smile as you watch the silliness of chickens in your early morning day, and the rest of your weekend from there will be beautiful, fun, and exciting.
Thanks for hanging out, everybody, and we'll see you all next time.
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