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Timcast IRL - Liz Cheney DEFEAT Watch Party, Fingers Crossed w/Posobiec & Derek Harvey
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tim pool
you tonight is the night ladies and gentlemen
You know, I'm sitting here and I'm thinking, it's a really slow Newsday.
And it is.
But there is something that's happening that will make today the biggest Newsday.
And that is...
Whether or not Liz Cheney wins or loses her primary.
In the polls, she's expected to lose handily.
But I'm not here to say one way or another, because we really don't know.
Speculation that Democrats are going to jump to the Republican Party so they can vote for her to sabotage the Republicans, because they know Republicans ain't going to vote for her in the general.
Maybe.
Or maybe we will see the end of the Cheney family reign.
And this will have a huge impact, you know, moving forward with Republicans should they win in the midterms in November.
In the general, what that means for Donald Trump, what that means for the investigation.
So we'll get into all that stuff.
We've got a couple other really big stories.
The FBI reportedly stopped a bunch of traffickers and rescued a bunch of kids.
A lot of people on social media are saying two things.
One, well, that's really good.
Thank you very much, FBI.
And two, they really needed a win right now, so maybe they cleverly timed this one.
So we'll get into that, plus we'll talk about a bunch of other weird stuff too, while we're waiting for the results to come in, and we'll see if they come in, I suppose, early enough for us to get them, and then talk about it.
But we'll be talking a lot about what's going on with the Republican Party, with Liz Cheney, with Kinzinger, and Alaska's also having their primary.
And then we've got some other stories too.
We'll talk about the Line City, you may have heard about this, Saudi Arabia building this big linear city, very weird, and Tesla's Optimus Robot.
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And I'm going to leave it there for the sake of being family friendly.
Yes.
How did the dog get monkey pox?
unidentified
Mystery.
And where was the monkey pox located?
tim pool
Anyway, we just launched the promo episode for Cast Castle, which Jack Posobiec is in.
And there's a really, really funny bit, so you want to check that one out.
jack posobiec
Whoa, whoa, that's not a bit.
tim pool
It's real.
jack posobiec
It's totally real.
unidentified
It's 100% real.
tim pool
It's totally, totally real.
It's absolutely, that's right.
jack posobiec
Well, we had to say that for the script.
tim pool
Yeah, that's right.
Oh, yes.
So smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends.
And of course, Jack Basobic is here.
jack posobiec
You know, when you said tonight is the night, I thought you were about to say tonight is the night when two become one.
You know from Spice Girls?
unidentified
No.
jack posobiec
You don't remember that one?
lydia smith
Not up on the Spice Girls.
jack posobiec
Really?
lydia smith
Sorry, Jack.
jack posobiec
Really?
Nobody?
unidentified
No.
jack posobiec
Chad, Chad, help me up on this one.
Help me out on this one.
ian crossland
Ginger Spice.
jack posobiec
But guys, no, Tim, I do have to apologize because I brought a hate symbol.
tim pool
Oh, don't.
You can't show that.
jack posobiec
No, I can't.
Well, I'm sorry.
I'm taking off YouTube.
I'm doing it.
So I'm doing it.
I got my hate symbol right here.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
Right here.
jack posobiec
What is happening?
Belt-fed prayers directly into the face of the demonic.
lydia smith
Oh my goodness gracious.
jack posobiec
Just boom, boom, boom.
We can even get crew served.
This is a rugged rosary.
It's by Rugged Rosaries.
Douglas Ernst.
tim pool
Just to set this up.
jack posobiec
A lot of people don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, context.
jack posobiec
Well, what context?
It's a rosary.
tim pool
They said rosaries have been co-opted.
jack posobiec
No, the Atlantic.
It was the Atlantic.
tim pool
The Atlantic.
They said rosaries were co-opted by extremists.
jack posobiec
Uh, apparently, um, that's, that's, that's a new one to me.
I mean, we, we actually do funny, like, I mean, not funny enough, but I mean, uh, we do the rosary every day with, in my family.
I do it with my boys.
Um, that's just, we own over to Poland.
We're saying the rosary over in this, uh, this Basilica that's near my family's, um, village where we're from.
So big family, you know, village back home.
So it's, yeah, it's definitely.
So I admit it.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
jack posobiec
Put it this way.
If, if that group of.
If you're living in a degenerate society that's controlled by people like that, and they call you an extremist, then I say yes, absolutely.
tim pool
Well, we should definitely talk about this.
It's just so crazy.
And well, thanks for coming, Jack.
We also have Derek Harvey.
derek harvey
Hey, good to be here, Tim.
And good to be with my good friend, Jack.
And it's been a fun time this summer.
And looking forward to some good things coming up.
tim pool
Is that pillow story true?
jack posobiec
So, okay.
No, Tim, I mentioned this beforehand, but I don't think Ian was in the room, so I'm going to have to bring this up.
Ian, do you know about the backstory between me and Derek?
ian crossland
No, I'm going to need to know, though.
jack posobiec
Okay, so four years ago, and you can see what's on the shelf right behind me, and the alpaca has been put to sleep by the travel-size MyPillow that, believe it or not, and Derek, you can back me up on this, he was the first person to ever give me my first MyPillow.
100% true.
It's true.
It's true, right?
derek harvey
I forgot all about that.
unidentified
Let's not read too much into that.
jack posobiec
Your wife got it for us, actually.
ian crossland
Just a complimentary pillow?
derek harvey
We purchased a few extra ones, and Jack had said some things, and we thought, oh, well, he said he had a bad neck or something at the time.
jack posobiec
I did not say I had a bad neck!
tim pool
What are you talking about?
jack posobiec
Bad neck?
unidentified
What's this?
tim pool
I'm just imagining, like, the pillow slowly being handed to Jack and his eyes are glowing, like, sparkling.
derek harvey
He's like, he touches it.
He was at the picnic, yeah.
ian crossland
And then you got a taste of the comfort?
jack posobiec
I've never looked back and now I see pillows that are just substandard everywhere I go.
tim pool
We have to do this for Cast Castle, this scene.
As soon as you touch the pillow, like, the camera zooms into your eyes and you see, like, eternities Exactly.
ian crossland
Pictures him like laying on a pillow floating around in space.
tim pool
All the secrets of the universe.
jack posobiec
What's that thing from Adult Swim?
He's like, I've seen beyond the find the star.
derek harvey
He was actually wondering, what the heck is Derek giving me?
jack posobiec
Well, they come in there, the pillows, they come in like a, it's, it's, it's, um, it's tube wrap.
It's, it's sealed.
And so it's, and it's pressure wrapped.
So when you get it, it's actually kind of rolled.
tim pool
This is not a commercial, by the way.
derek harvey
No, it's not.
tim pool
This is, like, actually a story.
jack posobiec
No, this is actually a story, right?
So they're rolled, and I was like, what the heck?
Why was my pillow rolled?
And then he said the thing about the dryers.
You have to throw it in the dryer for, like, one spin.
And then I was like, all right, fine, whatever.
I definitely left it in the bag for, like, six months and then didn't even think about it.
And then finally, I just said, I'm going to give this a shot one day.
tim pool
Even better.
Now I'm imagining Jack gets the pillow and doesn't care.
And then it's, like, six months later, he goes into his basement and he, what's this?
unidentified
And he picks it up and, It's glowing.
tim pool
Anyway, anyway, well, we'll we'll we'll talk more Derek.
Thanks for being here.
jack posobiec
The rest is history.
But it was it was Derek was not Mike Lindell.
tim pool
You worked with Devin Nunes.
You've been on the show before and I think you recently won a primary.
derek harvey
Yeah, I did in Washington County, running for County Commissioner, Republican primary, and now it's up against the Democrats in the fall.
tim pool
Right on.
That's awesome.
ian crossland
Yeah, dude, what's County Commissioner consist of?
derek harvey
Well, we have oversight of a lot of programs in the county, school budget, roads, highways, sewer and water, zoning, just a lot of, Sheriff's Department, law enforcement.
ian crossland
That's great.
derek harvey
About an $800 million a year budget.
And, you know, we're trying to protect the history and values and character of the county.
It's a great place to live and we'd like to keep it that way, not become Loudoun County.
tim pool
Yes.
All right.
We got Lydia pressing buttons.
lydia smith
I am pushing buttons in the corner.
Delighted to have these two gentlemen, this great minds trust.
I'm stoked for the pillow the alpaca is sleeping on.
Let's get going on the news.
tim pool
Let's jump to the first story from CNN.
Liz Cheney faces referendum on her Trump criticism.
Just that.
In tough Wyoming primary.
You know, I don't need to say too much based on this story.
This is just the lead story.
Harriet Hageman is pulling way higher.
And everybody expects Liz Cheney to be soundly defeated.
And I'm seeing a lot of criticism because what are they calling her?
A carpetbagger?
Is that it?
You know, she's not from there.
She doesn't know the community.
She comes from somewhere else.
And then what she does is she... Wyoming is... This is why...
I'll tell you.
I think she's gonna lose.
A lot of people do.
I don't wanna jinx it.
I don't know.
Who knows what happens with Democrat crossover or whatever.
But Wyoming is MAGA country.
Quite literally, the number one most Trump-supporting state in the Union.
jack posobiec
Yes.
tim pool
And Liz Cheney is the number one TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome, politician.
I don't understand what she thinks is happening and why she didn't just retire like Kinzinger did.
jack posobiec
I almost feel like it's a pride thing at this point.
You know, it's, you know, this is our party.
And we want you, you know, and keep in mind, she thinks she's right, right?
She thinks she's waiting, she's riding some wave of something that over time, that the establishment will still be able to win.
So the establishment can come back, defeat all of MAGA, tell all the deplorables to shut up, that she'll be able to go.
She's all in, right?
She's all in.
And whether that includes a presidential campaign in 24, which, oh God, I hope she runs.
Please, please, Liz.
Please run in 24.
Please do this.
tim pool
I'd love to see her on a primary debate stage with Trump.
jack posobiec
I mean, come on, right?
Talk about a steel cage match.
That this would be, I mean, it'd just be, the ratings would be gold.
tim pool
You could fool the whole government off those ratings.
jack posobiec
But so the idea though, is that with her dynasty, she comes from political royalty, right?
This is the Karl Rove, they're sort of like the offshoot of the George Bush dynasty.
So you can't, You can't talk about the Cheneys without talking about the Bushes, and that was the previous ruling class, the ruling family of the Republican Party.
tim pool
She's like Republican Hillary Clinton.
unidentified
Yeah.
You know, it's like, she's like, no, I don't want to lose, I refuse!
jack posobiec
But a lot of people miss that, you know, in those 2016 primaries, when people said, oh, it's going to be so hard for Trump to beat the Clintons, their dynasty, etc.
Everybody forgets that he took out Jeb Bush very quickly.
ian crossland
Yeah, very, very quickly.
tim pool
Come on, Jeb.
jack posobiec
But again, because that's how that's how it used to be, though.
It used to be that you could you could be a politician and you could represent Wyoming and then do absolutely nothing for your state.
And it was a do nothing.
I mean, the fact that Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney were both representing Wyoming, name one thing they've actually done for their state ever.
Right.
Nothing.
tim pool
Please clap.
ian crossland
They have good crypto laws.
Does that have anything to do with them?
jack posobiec
No, not governor.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm a big advocate of not hating the child for the sins of the father.
tim pool
Dick Cheney.
jack posobiec
Neither am I, in which case, so we could talk about what she's done.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Well, Dick Cheney, for instance, was vice president under George W. Bush.
I feel like he was a big part of why we got into the war in the Middle East.
I don't know if I'm right or wrong about that.
You might know more, Derek.
I mean, you were kind of present for it.
derek harvey
Well, I worked with Dick Cheney during the first Gulf War when he was Secretary of Defense and I worked with him off and on in 2003 to 2006 and I stayed in touch with him over the next decade.
Definitely, you know, a neocon aggressive war hawk if you want to want to call it that.
But Liz Cheney is Cut from the same mold.
And neither one of them focuses on the real threat to America, which seems to be right here at home with the weaponization of DOJ and FBI and the threats against our civil liberties and what China's doing domestically.
They don't seem to care.
ian crossland
They're like looking outward for the problem?
derek harvey
Outward for the problem.
And they're part of the establishment.
And in their bubble, they don't understand what's going on in America because they're not part of real America.
lydia smith
It has always eluded me how exactly Liz Cheney got to be the representative for Wyoming.
I was like, well, surely she's like representing Vermont or something.
jack posobiec
Well, that's where the family's from originally.
lydia smith
Yeah, that makes sense.
But I was like, she in no way represents anything that's going on in Wyoming.
jack posobiec
She's not on But that's what I'm trying to say though.
Prior to 2016, that's how politics was.
If you were the big name from a certain state and you could pay enough money to be on TV, that was pretty much it.
You would win.
lydia smith
That's why Jeb thought he could win by being Jeb.
And that's not the case.
tim pool
I think Jeb and also Hillary are really great examples of this older generation completely unaware of what the internet was.
No, seriously.
Hillary Clinton went to, where was she, like in Alabama and she put on a southern drawl?
Like, dude, people know what you sound like.
You can't do this.
But she just didn't realize.
Jeb, please clap.
He didn't realize people were going to film that and put it on the internet.
derek harvey
I went to Jeb's opening campaign announcement and gala in Florida.
My wife and I attended and it was Really shocking for him to come down and talk to everyone and lay out his vision and he came out attacking the base.
Attacking the principles and values that reflected the average Republican voter.
Talking about immigration and we need to love all these immigrants.
We have room for them.
We need to embrace them.
When we were having massive problems along the border.
tim pool
Well, Donald Trump said, what did he say?
Let them all come legally.
Legally.
And he's right.
That basically means, well, obviously you're not going to let 100 million people into your country overnight.
They're all going to line up.
You're going to say, fill out the form and let's figure out how we can help you and what we can do.
And if we can handle the capacity, make sure we're helping people come here and thrive.
Instead, what we end up with Biden is basically a de facto open border where people are dying in the deserts.
And it was bad under Trump, it was.
The apprehensions were really, really high, but this is what people need to understand.
Under Donald Trump, the apprehensions and what do they call it?
What's the word they use for when an ICE agent confronts?
derek harvey
No, no, they call it encounters.
tim pool
Yeah, I knew it was like some weird word, like what does it really mean?
But you have to understand under Trump, it went way up.
And everyone's like, oh, look, it's worse now.
It's like, no, no, no, no, this is what enforcement looks like.
unidentified
Good.
Yeah.
tim pool
When Trump started enforcing this, you saw encounters increase,
which means under Obama, they were ignoring it even worse.
Now you got, I'll give the guy credit, Joe Biden actually wants to build the wall out in Arizona.
They want to cover some gaps in Yuma.
jack posobiec
Well, did you see the thing on Post Millennial today with Savannah Hernandez?
tim pool
No.
jack posobiec
She's got a whistleblower from one of the federal contractors that's doing these night flights.
And this guy comes forward, totally anonymous, and they've got the receipts on it.
Where he's saying that, oh yeah, do we have kids?
He goes, my office alone does 2,000 to 5,000 kids per week that they're flying around the country.
And there's four of these offices across the border.
That's crazy, man.
And all of it, they're just flying, and it's federally contracted.
We're told that they have sponsors, right?
And they don't even know the vetting of the sponsors.
The whole chain is broken.
It's just too many people.
unidentified
Right?
jack posobiec
It's too many people.
We don't even have the actual abilities.
And Derek, you know this better than me.
We don't even have the correct functions of government to be able to process that many people, let alone that many minors.
tim pool
There was that viral video that got leaked where it was one of these guys working on these flights who said if the American people knew what their government was doing, you know, there'd be like a revolt overnight or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You remember that?
It was up in New York, I think.
jack posobiec
Yeah, that was New York.
tim pool
They were trafficking kids.
Let me just stress, it's been reported several times, the Biden administration is trafficking children.
This is, it's crazy.
And the big story broke when the trafficking was secretly filmed.
They were bringing kids, illegal immigrant children, into Tennessee, I think it was.
Was that what it was?
The Tennessee GOP found out and they were super pissed off.
A bunch of other videos came out, like the one in New York where you've got these contractors being like, yup.
derek harvey
But when they get into a place like Knoxville, Tennessee, or some other city, it's churches and left-leaning democratic organizations that are funded by the government that pose as NGOs, non-government entities, that are supposed to be doing these good works, and they're making profits, and it's a business, and the more of it, the better, and it's changing the demographics, and, you know, you gotta follow the money, and it's a...
Self-looking ice cream cone going on here.
ian crossland
So people are making money off of bringing kids to churches?
Is that what you're saying?
derek harvey
To towns.
The people are offloaded.
They get funded by the government, the state and federal government.
jack posobiec
There's a ton of federal money in this.
derek harvey
A ton of federal money.
And people are employed.
And they take care of them and they manage these people and they help them with the transition.
And it's a profession.
tim pool
What what I just it just Liz Cheney really is astounding to me that she she's she didn't look tons of these uh established Republicans retired and they've been retiring like crazy realizing it's it's over there's a there's a there's a MAGA wave of Republicans who care about this country that are starting to come in that want to see real change.
I see the left making fun of Marjorie Taylor Greene she says defund the FBI and I'm like Don't you agree with her on that point?
Like, you can make fun of her, I guess, but at least you can say that you agree with her on that point.
They should be happy about the changes that are happening, at least to a certain degree.
So to see Liz Cheney, I suppose you put it, you know, right, you put it, you stated it correctly, that she's refusing to let go.
It's her party.
She's like one of the last barnacles latched onto the hulls of ships leaving and she refuses to give up.
But I'm just getting to this because While immigration is one of the most important issues for Americans, and there's constant news stories about the crisis, kids are dying in the desert, what is she doing?
Donald Trump said mean things.
Is that it?
Is that what?
jack posobiec
You know, or, well, not only that, but she's the head, essentially the Republican head of the January 6th committee.
tim pool
Yeah, she's the one running it.
jack posobiec
And she's basically the one running it, but there's no meaningful investigation.
Where are the text messages?
Where are the reports?
What was going on with that pipe bomb?
What was going on with... Why are there people in the crowd?
derek harvey
Not to rehash everything... What was Nancy Pelosi doing?
jack posobiec
What was Pelosi up to?
derek harvey
Why didn't they use the PA's address system on the Capitol grounds to warn people?
jack posobiec
If you were conducting an actual investigation that you would want the answers to because of course she doesn't want that.
She's made this the face of her last hurrah.
She wants to go down with the ship and then this is playing to the MSNBC, CNN base of people who are out there, those suburban wine moms and you know, you're like, It's the soccer mom, like the soccer moms in masks and you'll get your third booster, get your fourth booster.
Did you see the next latest Liz Cheney hit?
tim pool
How long after she loses, assuming she does, until she gets a CNN or MSNBC contributorship?
jack posobiec
It's already set up.
I'm sure they're fighting over her.
They're probably fighting over her right now.
Now, if she's smart, by the way, and it depends on how you run the money on this, what she would do is you do the Liz Cheney Foundation.
So if she does the Liz Cheney Foundation, then you can go on both.
And then she's going to say, oh, we're going to continue the investigation of Trump.
And then every time she goes on CNN or MSNBC, she gets asked for donations.
And then later we'll find out how much foreign governments are spending into this.
tim pool
It's going to be 2045.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
And we're going to be all moved beyond this.
jack posobiec
And she's going to be sitting in a rocking chair in her house with a bunch of cats being like, But you understand that there's a group of people out there, and this overlaps with sort of the true crime fad that's going on right now, where it's just the, let's get Trump TV show.
And this is like season six, and they don't even care what the underlying bit is.
It's just, we gotta go get him.
tim pool
Isn't the guy who produced the primetime show for the Democrats?
derek harvey
From ABC?
tim pool
Yeah, he's the same guy who shot down the Epstein story?
jack posobiec
Yeah, this is a reality TV show.
tim pool
Same producer.
That is my understanding.
I'm clarifying that that was the guy right? The same producer who blocked the Epstein story on it did the
unidentified
Democrats thing It's kind of amazing how you
jack posobiec
We we need to start doing six degrees of Epstein. Yeah, we might not even need six. It's like two
Okay, and the judge who signed off on it, you know, on the warrant, was the lawyer for Epstein's pilot and his lieutenant, and there we go.
And then tomorrow he's holding the hearing on the affidavit.
tim pool
Remember that epic viral video from the Alex Jones trial, where the lawyer is like, you're claiming that the government is involved with trafficking, and he goes like, Oh, you mean like what the Epsteins did with Clinton or whatever?
And then the Thug Life sunglasses came down?
jack posobiec
It doesn't matter what you say if a pair of 8-bit sunglasses appear on your face.
tim pool
Well, I just think it's funny that we have known now, I think for a couple years, that the Biden administration, well, a couple years.
Last year, I guess, a year and a half, that the Biden administration has been trafficking children into the U.S.
And then you get people who start saying things like, I think the government is involved in child trafficking.
And they're like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.
And it's like, did CNN reported this?
Like, there's videos.
Night flights.
They take these kids on the border, put them on planes, and they fly them all across the country to random places.
And then there were stories about, like, these kids going to these shelters, and the shelters are overwhelmed.
And they're like, we don't know what to do with all these kids.
Why are they being sent to us?
Yeah, that's what the Biden administration is doing.
derek harvey
But if your world is only what you see on MSNBC in that alternate universe of reality, you know, what are they to believe?
ian crossland
I've been thinking a lot about desensitization lately.
I was smelling something so stinky the other day that all of a sudden I like shook my head and I smelled nothing.
I was like, it was so bad my brain didn't even want me to understand, experience it, to perceive it.
jack posobiec
So you were able to smell yourself?
ian crossland
I smelled, yes.
I think it was me too.
I think I was smelling my own body.
And it's the same with like seeing some horrible violence and then the person's like, I don't even remember what I saw kind of thing.
People know that their government is involved in trafficking children around the country, maybe even around the world.
I don't know how deep it goes.
jack posobiec
But it's like so horrific that I think people are like, their minds aren't... Well, keep in mind that the Epstein story was considered a conspiracy theory for years.
And if you brought that up, you were crazy, you were nuts.
If you said that, which we all knew that he was very close to the Clintons, he was to go around saying that he was one of the initial founders of the Clinton Global Initiative.
And ties to, you know, Harvard and Bill Gates, all this other stuff, right?
And so it was so crazy that people just couldn't, they couldn't wrap their heads around it.
But then when all of that came out, suddenly post Epstein, it's like, all right, if that were true, then what else could possibly be true?
derek harvey
The Russia hoax could be true.
The COVID issues could have been true.
I mean, all these things become conspiracy theories.
tim pool
I want to jump to this story here and give a shout out to the man, the myth, the legend, Alex Jones, because he was right about Epstein.
jack posobiec
If you're listening to this, you are the resistance.
tim pool
He was right about Epstein.
I remember when the Epstein story broke, Joe Rogan was like, dude, Alex Jones was right.
And it's like, it's crazy because Alex has gone on Joe's show and said really crazy stuff.
Chimeras, 5G towers, whatever, interdimensional beings.
And then he says some of these other stories like the Epstein thing and you're like,
people don't want to believe it and it turns out to be true.
We got this story from Bloomberg.
Being thrown off social media was supposed to end Alex Jones's career.
It made him even richer.
I think this is an important story for one, they admit, or at least they're asserting,
jack posobiec
It was supposed to end his career.
It says it right there in the headline.
unidentified
It was supposed to stop the spread of violence.
I'm sorry.
jack posobiec
That's right.
They just admit it.
They just straight up admit we were trying to end his career.
tim pool
They said initially it was because he was promoting violence and they had to stop it for the safety.
Now it was supposed to end his career.
Now you've got, in the court case against him, you had the lawyer for the family say, don't just punish him, destroy his platform, and make sure he can't rebuild it.
But I think this is a big story.
They claim that Alex Jones is worth a lot of money.
Alex Jones has commented to me on the story saying that he does not, in fact, have this much money.
He is not making this much money.
They're bankrupt and he's broke.
Look, I know he said that, but I kind of find it hard to believe that someone who's had such a powerful media empire would not have saved up money somewhere, set up trusts with his family or something.
So maybe personally, yes, he is broke, but a lot of that wealth probably transferred out through various trusts or other ways to, you know, family members.
There was a story in the New York Post that he transferred a portion of property to his wife or something.
I don't know.
The fact is, this story is a white pill.
The fact that they are so desperate to stop Alex Jones, and they can't.
It shows that, well, Alex, despite all of the things they've thrown at him, and the damage they have caused to his business, he's persisted, he's survived, and he's been effective.
The reason they're going after him is because he's one of the most effective supporters of Trump, or was, and that he's influential.
I think at the same time, the white pill that they, I think the FBI going after Trump, that doesn't, it makes me a little bit pessimistic in terms of civil war.
Take a drink, everybody.
But it makes me actually optimistic in terms of the upcoming elections.
They are so panicked about the influence of people like Jones, the influence of people like Trump, that they're desperately pulling moves like this.
ian crossland
This is so whack-a-mole.
They've been freaked out since 2007 when they realized that an internet video blogger on YouTube could rally 500,000 people to vote for whoever they want.
The CNN got involved in 2007.
We're like, we're going to do the CNN YouTube debates.
All right, kids, all you super influential, new, famous young people that are way more powerful than we are, let's create an authority so we can kind of Make a semblance of controlling you.
And so they did these lame-ass YouTube debates with CNN where they, like, wouldn't... I tried to ask questions about the Federal Reserve and they, like, just would ignore that.
jack posobiec
Of course, of course.
ian crossland
No, no, we talk about Obama's favorite foods and things like that.
They're in complete... hanging by a thread, the global financial market.
I didn't know what globalists were.
tim pool
A liberal international economy.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
That's it.
ian crossland
The lie.
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
But... I remember back in the day, like... I say back in the day, but ten years ago, Obama did the Reddit AMA, they asked me anything, it was like a big deal.
jack posobiec
Huge deal.
tim pool
But he only answered like, what, ten questions, and they were very stocked, like, what would you do with health care?
jack posobiec
We're gonna give more of that.
We like it.
tim pool
What started changing is that I think people are sick of the obvious lies.
Remember Deepwater Horizon?
South Park made a joke about how the BP guy goes on TV and he goes, we're sorry.
unidentified
We're so sorry.
We're sorry.
tim pool
Sorry.
When that happens, does any reasonable person believe they're going to tell the truth?
Does any sane person think that Jen Psaki or Jean-Pierre are going to come out and just be totally honest with the American people?
And for that matter, Spicer or Sarah Sanders, for instance.
I don't expect any of them to come out and just blatantly tell me the truth about what's going on.
Not a Republican, not a Democrat, not Trump's people.
There's obvious legitimate reasons why they can't tell you the truth, for good or bad.
Right?
We can't leak secrets if we have plans, we need to compartmentalize and make sure our plans are, you know, if we want something good, we can't just go out and explain exactly what we're doing.
If I'm, for instance, going to be suing some organization, and I think it's a really good thing
and it needs to happen, well, coming out and explaining in detail what I'm doing
just helps them and stops me from doing it.
So for obvious reasons, you're just not getting the truth.
But what happens is with people like Alex Jones, they feel authenticity.
And that was a big shift.
Whether Jones was right or wrong, the dude believes what he's saying.
ian crossland
Oh, he's right.
A lot of times, he was talking about the globalists in like 2005 and six.
I was like, okay, I think he's being a little hyperbolic.
He's being vague.
What the heck is he even talking about?
But now I find out that there's like...
Multinational corporations where they have their headquarters in one country, but all their activity or a bulk of their activities in another country They're basically tax evading and that's a huge.
tim pool
I mean, that's what he's talking about He's talking about like world economic form crap Remember, I don't know if you guys have been watching or listening to Alex Jones for a long time by chance I don't know but I remember so I've been on the internet my whole life I remember the loose change virality moment where people were burning the loose change element at the discs and like sharing them around with everybody.
jack posobiec
Well, so when I was in college, I remember that.
tim pool
Yeah, the Ron Paul revolution.
jack posobiec
Yeah, you'd see like the loose change guys would be around.
Yeah.
tim pool
I told this to Alex Jones the first time he came on the show.
I was like, I remember when you were ragging on Real ID.
when you are like, they passed this bill, they're gonna be federalizing IDs,
Hmm.
this is what it means.
And he was raising alarm bells about it and the potential problems.
And what happens is we're frogs in a pot, the pot is boiling and we don't realize
how much has really changed.
But I remember now a few years ago, I go to the airport and there's all the signs everywhere,
get your real ID, update your IDs, otherwise you're not compliant.
So he was right about it.
And he said it would do a bunch of things that it does because he was reading the news and reporting it accurately.
Now we're in it.
Real ID is here, and nobody cares.
Everyone's just like, oh, I got my ID updated, whatever.
So he talks about the incrementalization.
One small grain of sand at a time, and before you realize it, your whole world is different.
derek harvey
Well, just think about this.
You go to the store at Walmart or wherever.
You make some purchases on your credit card.
All that data is there.
You go online again on Walmart and you look and you say, here's all the things you've been buying.
Do you want any more of those?
When the FBI wants data on you, they just send a letter to AT&T or to Walmart or to Chase Bank and they request that data.
tim pool
Yep.
derek harvey
And they have your whole life right there.
Your credit cards, your purchases, where you were at.
tim pool
Apparently, the phone companies have been giving people's text messages to the January 6th Committee and stuff like that.
jack posobiec
Well, this came up also with Ring Camera.
So the issue that came up was that police departments, ICE, other agencies were able to access Ring without the permission of the, like Derek was saying, just going to the company directly.
And of course, the companies are saying, Hey, we're trying to prevent crimes.
What if there's a, you know, a child grabbing incident, and we caught it on bring camera, you know, we do want to notify the authorities right away.
But then the question, and you could say, Well, yeah, I mean, I think there's some utility to that, obviously.
But then the question, of course, becomes, how much are they watching?
Or do they know when you come in and out of your home?
Do they know Who's coming in and out of your home?
tim pool
Well, that's metadata.
So yes.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the crazy thing about metadata.
And this is I think it's been a while, but I'm pretty sure Brett Kavanaugh ruled in favor of the government's ability to use metadata as not as a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
But I could be wrong about that.
It's been a while since I was doing research in that regard.
But the thing about metadata is the argument is when you walk outside your house, anyone can see you do it.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
So that's not right.
You have no expectation of privacy.
If the police are sitting in public and they watch you leave your home, they now know you left your home.
Well, that's too bad.
The argument was that with metadata, when you visit websites, you're not hiding yourself.
There's no expectation of privacy when your computer sends a request out.
Anyone who wants can see it.
The problem is, with metadata, it's not just about watching you leave your house.
We watch your house.
We can guess where you're going.
Is he going to work?
What time is it?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
He's not going to work.
Maybe he's going to get food.
Where's he going to go?
I don't know.
With metadata, they can tell when you're gonna poop.
And I'm not kidding.
There was an article about how Facebook accurately predicts when people have to make movements, as it were,
because they have all of this metadata.
They know when you put your phone down.
They know when you're walking.
They know when you're likely eating.
They can calculate all this stuff.
And now the government can easily get access to all of that.
jack posobiec
The one that I saw that was very similar to that was pregnancies.
That they could base based on your Google searches, based on your, I'm telling you, I'm.
I have these symptoms.
What's going on?
And the case study that I remember reading was a girl had gotten some ads in the mail for, you know, like folic acid and basic pregnancy stuff and coupons from the local Target because she was a frequent shopper there.
They knew she was pregnant before she did.
tim pool
And the dad is the one who saw it and said, right, what?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah. And he called and said, why are you sending my daughter?
And they were like, Oh, there was a, right.
Yeah. It was like an algorithm that now I remember she didn't know she was pregnant,
but she was buying things that they just knew.
jack posobiec
And so this was the pattern that led you to big brother knows big brother knows when
tim pool
you'll poop before you do.
ian crossland
You know what concerns me is we're talking about the Fourth Amendment rights and is it a violation of Fourth Amendment rights, but I think it's so far beyond American government at this point that when we complain about what the American government, the United States American government is doing, it's kind of like just complaining about what one of the lieutenants is doing because everyone, all these governments have the ability to scrape your metadata.
It doesn't matter.
They don't have, the CCP doesn't have a Fourth Amendment to violate.
They just do whatever they want.
tim pool
So, it is harder, in a certain sense, for the CCP to get access to our data than the U.S.
government, because the U.S.
government has authority over these organizations.
jack posobiec
Well, they just call up Eric Swalwell.
tim pool
They just buy it.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
So, the CCP, through any one of the companies they control, can just buy the data.
And then they know.
derek harvey
It's part of the contract.
It gives them access to it.
And that's what we've seen in some of our investigations.
jack posobiec
Not only that, but let's talk about 23andMe and how much that is getting sourced by China.
So I'll tell you... Why do you guys think 23andMe is that cheap?
Come on.
They're selling all that stuff on the back end.
tim pool
I was at a party, and I'll keep this story as vague as possible, and I was talking to someone about... Wait, Tim, you promised me you would never...
I was talking to somebody about COVID testing and I said something like, you know, the problem with the mass testing is the concern that China is going to get access to this DNA information and then someone else overheard.
You know, basically it was like, oh, it's conspiracy, it's fake news.
You know, you can't go around saying these things when people here pay attention to the news and knows what's going on.
You're lying, blah, blah.
And I just took my phone.
I pulled up the NPR article that says China is getting access to data through COVID testing.
And I was just like, here you go.
And they were like, uh, well, I'm like dude like I do this for a living man.
I'm not making these stories up I'm reading the news and that's this that's that's a lot for I would say the same is true for Alex Jones I think the issue with Alex though is that he stretches things a little too far and what I mean by that is Atrazine was the big story Interfering with the endocrine systems of frogs and then he yells.
It's turning the frogs against That was a big problem.
ian crossland
They were turning them, they're making them hermaphroditic, meaning the sex organs of the male and the female.
They weren't gay.
And he said that they were turning them gay.
Like the problem with Alex is that over time is that he's also, he leans into the entertainment, the jokester, which is bad for a journalist.
jack posobiec
Okay.
But explain this to me.
Why does the Rachel Maddow standard not apply to Alex Jones?
unidentified
Oh, right.
jack posobiec
Why is it that when you, when, I forget who it was, but they were suing Rachel Maddow over this and they, and then she came in and said, well, this is an opinion show.
Everything, everything I say is my opinion.
And the judge rules.
Okay, well then it's all covered.
ian crossland
Well, for Alex, I don't even care about legality stuff.
That's not what I meant when I was saying the problem.
I just am concerned, like why, why he's looked at as ridiculed as he has been by societies.
Cause he does both the jokes and the news.
tim pool
You don't know which is which.
So this one thing that happened when he was being sued, I think, is that he claimed he was acting.
And then the left came out and they were like, oh, he's admitting it, he's admitting it.
And he was like, no, he does commercials.
There's a commercial where he rips his shirt off and then flies through the ceiling of his building.
jack posobiec
That wasn't a commercial.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, he actually did.
jack posobiec
Tim, I've seen him do that.
tim pool
He turned red.
I do want to shout out that ad where he's like, he redder.
You know, the ones like before and after, but what happens, he's red.
Was that real?
It was hilarious either way.
jack posobiec
My favorite one, it was the doctor, I forget who it was, but he takes the super male vitality and goes, I will now activate my muscles by doing pushups!
And then he just like tears his shirt off and starts doing pushups and he comes up and he's got, he's turned into like a werewolf.
tim pool
And then he says he's acting and then, you know, it's funny when I see, I see, I talk to regular people or I see Facebook posts from a lot of these lefties, they don't know anything about the guy.
They sit there blindly believing the lies.
It's remarkable to me that after all of the lies, these people still don't wake up, and it's got to be willful.
derek harvey
Well, it's the double standard all the time we see with the media.
One standard for liberals, another standard for conservatives.
But this issue that you're touching on, I think, strikes home to a lot of our listeners.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Well, and when I bring up Rachel Maddow, it's not necessarily to point out that it's double standard in terms of the way society presents them.
But now you've got a situation in the United States where you're creating, and Derek, you talk about this all the time, this two-tiered system of justice where one standard can apply to Alex Jones and you can ruin him and take away his entire career because he got a story wrong, but Rachel Maddow is perfectly fine to say whatever she wants because it's her opinion.
tim pool
We need parallel economies.
So shout out to Dan Bongino's Parallel Economy, shout out to Rumble, and shout out to Public Square.
jack posobiec
Public Square, love it.
tim pool
If you guys haven't downloaded Public Square, download it.
Yeah, Public Square is an app that shows you all the businesses that believe in your values and all that stuff.
ian crossland
We, I'm thinking about like... Agree with you on millions.
The parallel, the parallelity that we do need, like 2007 internet video, you could tell that the young video bloggers were taking control of society.
What does the government, the federal government have that we don't?
Like if we were to create like... The army?
They have the army.
They have like the tax...
jack posobiec
87,000 armed IRS agents who are trained to kill poor people.
ian crossland
So it's all like military, it's all like guns and enforcement.
They control like the enforcement stuff.
jack posobiec
They have the stick.
ian crossland
And that's, they is just like what, the executive branch in Congress, basically?
You don't want to give that, I don't want to give that stuff to the populace.
jack posobiec
No, it's not just the executive branch in Congress.
That's, that's the problem though, is it's supposed to be the executive branch in Congress backstopped by the judiciary.
But the problem with all of this is that you have an administrative state that has grown and become the fourth branch of government.
That's who Liz Cheney is campaigning for.
That's your MSNBC, your CNN plug-in right there.
They're tied into academia.
They're tied into the entire education system.
They're tied into the defense industrial complex.
This is that fourth branch of government that was never supposed to be.
ian crossland
Do you think it's that we need it to exist within this global system of totalitarian governments vying for control?
jack posobiec
Absolutely not.
Then do you think it's like... I mean, you need a military, right?
You need a military industry.
You need industry to keep up with that military, sure.
But the power should always be with the representatives.
And you have a Congress that's completely abrogated that because most congressmen, or a lot of them, I'm not going to say all of them, but they would rather go raise money and hang out on the golf course and then do whatever the lobbyist wants.
derek harvey
It's the rulemaking and enforcement mechanisms of EPA or Department of Education with new rules and executive orders on lots of different issues that affect our kids going to school.
It's the DOJ and FBI being immune from real oversight and control by the executive branch, the president, whether it was President Trump or whether it's Joe Biden who says, I don't know what's going on.
No one's talked to me.
jack posobiec
By the way, we do have a little bit of breaking news on the Liz Cheney front.
unidentified
Oh, what is it?
jack posobiec
If you guys want it.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
So, Washington Post has a sort of... They're setting the stage.
So, it's a stage setting article because we're, what, 20 minutes away from polls closing here?
tim pool
Let me pull it up.
jack posobiec
What's the title?
It is Bracing for Loss.
Liz Cheney says primary is beginning of the battle.
So, what's going on here is that her press team has Has pumped this out.
They want this to be the narrative.
And even though she may not win, she's building her campaign into a nationwide movement to stop Donald Trump.
tim pool
And there it is.
jack posobiec
And there it is.
I'm telling you, that's exactly what this is.
The show must go on.
The show must go on.
Because the Stop Trump movement has become a proxy war of the establishment versus the people.
And they have, they're using the avatar of Trump, the specter of Trump as the, you know, the great orange whale as a way to get you to, to Derek's point, to sacrifice your civil liberties, to go after the political opposition, whether you're someone, and if you are someone who is an effective voice against an actual opposition voice, by the way, I don't mean, you know, arguing about one of the little things that they let you argue about.
I mean, actually stepping up against the regime, they will strike you down.
We just watched the show trial of Steve Bannon.
tim pool
Let me jump to the story from the New York Times.
Alaska's voters will try out changes to primary and special elections.
So, they've got ranked choice voting.
And, well, they say, voters in Alaska on Tuesday will test for the first time a new ranked choice system for a general election in a special race for the state's single house seat.
And they will take part in the state's new open primary system.
Which was first deployed during a special House primary in June.
That combination right there sounds like... Let's put it this way.
jack posobiec
We're not changing the elections, we're making it better.
tim pool
They changed the rules.
Open primaries, I think, are bad.
I used to not understand why it mattered.
Now I totally get it.
Because Democrats can vote in the Republican primary to sabotage the Republican Party so that when it comes to the general, nobody wants to vote for the Republican.
Like if the Democrats vote for Liz Cheney and she ends up winning, Republicans are gonna be like, whatever.
And then a Democrat wins Wyoming?
That'd be crazy.
Now we have ranked choice voting.
I'm actually...
I've been a fan of it for a while, but one thing interesting that comes up with the way they're doing it now to consider, it is widely believed, or actually Jack was mentioning it just before the show, that this is going to help Murkowski maintain her seat.
Do you want to explain?
jack posobiec
Because in ranked choice voting, if someone doesn't break the threshold, then they start counting the second choice votes.
And so this will end up, so if all of your MAGA vote, for example, is targeted to one candidate, And then they're never going to say the establishment candidate as number two.
You will always see Democrats or soft conservatives, soft Republicans, your one of fours or even your four of fours who are more establishment types, they will put Murkowski as their second choice.
So she'll pick up a wider swath of voters.
Meanwhile, a MAGA conservative is never going to say they want a Democrat as their second choice.
tim pool
But so, we're in a primary right now, so people aren't voting for Democrats, they're voting for just the Republicans.
jack posobiec
Wouldn't they just be more likely... Does it only apply to the primary?
tim pool
Well, no, no, but here's my point.
For now, wouldn't more people be like, okay, well, you know, this candidate's not likely going to win, but they're my first pick, and then I guess if I had to take Murkowski as my fifth choice, I would.
And I feel like in a primary, it's open primary, which is the biggest risk.
If you do ranked choice voting, you're going to get all the populists being like, man, I really would prefer this guy right here.
They might think he's not going to win, so I can't vote for him.
With ranked choice voting, they'll be like, yeah, I'll give him my first choice.
jack posobiec
And look, Project Veritas and R.C.
Maxwell, the great journalist over there, did a whole piece on this, how it was Murkowski staffers.
that actually left her campaign and then stood up this other organization to push through
rank choice voting because she as a candidate, right, couldn't directly get behind it.
And then after it went in, they went back to the campaign.
tim pool
So the idea is in the general election, what will happen is Republicans will say, I guess I'll vote for Murkowski.
And my second choice are going to be these other, you know, candidates.
Right-ins or maybe, you know, MAGA people.
But the Democrats will put Murkowski as their fifth choice.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
So when all of their people lose, if Murkowski's in the lead, she's going to get all the Democrat votes along with the establishment votes.
So it makes it impossible for the Republicans to get in populists, basically.
jack posobiec
Look, and I've said this before, and I don't think Yang has it right.
You know, if you're going to start a third party, a real third party in this country, you have to do it within the party structure that's already existing.
And there is a third party in this country, and it's called MAGA.
That is a third party.
It just happens to be inside the Republican Party.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, you've got the left Bernie Party or whatever inside the Democrat Party.
derek harvey
One other thing that's happening across the country in the Republican Party is there are so many new people getting involved.
You know, homemakers and small business people that are deciding.
jack posobiec
Precinct Project.
derek harvey
Precinct project, that's absolutely right.
And small groups picking up Patriot Moms, voices of Washington County, or voices of this county.
People are getting involved and they are going to school board meetings, but many are deciding to run for these obscure offices because they all matter.
And that's the building block of that future party, Jack.
And these are almost all very conservative, principled, valued people that supported Donald Trump.
ian crossland
When people get into local offices like you're talking about, is it the kind of thing where they have to quit their day gig?
Not usually.
derek harvey
Not usually, not for local offices.
tim pool
So how does that work, right?
So you just won the primary for county commissioner, is that right?
derek harvey
Yes, and I'm going up against a Democrat in the fall, and if I do get elected in the fall, technically it's a part-time job, but it's a full-time demanding job if you're going to do your job correctly.
It does pay a salary of about $38,000 a year, but you're voting and managing a budget of nearly $800 million across the board for the county.
Wow!
A full-time effort to go to meetings, to go to commissions, you know, there's a couple dozen commissions that are, you know, Elderly Commission, there's the Women's Commission, there's Zoning, Water Commissions, those things that you have to be aware of what's going on and lots of issues are coming forward.
tim pool
And you're trying to get the job to manage $800 million for a $30,000 salary.
This is the challenge of politics right now.
I could not imagine trying to manage a budget like that.
And you effectively have to do it for free.
You have to really, really want that job.
derek harvey
You gotta care about your county, your hometown, the future of your kids.
ian crossland
Or throw it away and just make sure that some of that millions goes to people you know.
I mean, that's the downside.
jack posobiec
No, I was just going to say that.
Yeah, you're exactly right.
On the flip side of this, for people that aren't maybe already independently wealthy or have a You know, a stable career outside of this that that's where that's where bribery and that's where money comes in, because they'll say, hey, you know, sign off in the zoning board for us.
This happened in my hometown with, you know, we lost a golf course to out to a hospital that nobody wanted.
And the this was this wasn't county level.
This was.
Township level and they went the the company went in and just bankrolled a couple of Democrats
That wanted that were good for the hospital and then got him on board boom golf course gone hospital in there you go
And and that's it. That's the way the system works. I Remember when I was younger, I noticed that all these skate
tim pool
parks that were popping up were garbage Just like the worst and I just don't understand why
I was like, why are they so bad?
Because they're the X Games.
They obviously have good ramps.
Why aren't those companies making it?
There was a community meeting in one of the neighborhoods where a local construction company was like, it's going to cost, you know, half a million dollars to build this park.
And then as the story goes, some guy grabbed his phone and put on speaker, one of the big top tier companies that makes all the big parks.
And they said, we can do this for a hundred.
That's ridiculous.
But the city still went with the guy who said 500.
What I was told was that in many of these circumstances in the city, the people who build skateparks have no idea how to build them, but they're the lobbyists.
They're the companies that fund the local politicians.
So when they come, they call up and say, look, I need a favor.
You got the budget to build it.
We can build it.
Do you go with us?
You know, we support you say, okay, fine.
What's the harm? It's a construction company. They know how to build a skate park. We'll go with them. They're here
Anyway, then what happens they don't know how to build a park skate parks are very specific and you get
Dangerous garbage parks and you're wondering why man. I got to tell you they built this one part
that They built the dimensions of the bowl wrong. So a bowl is
like it's like a like a pool, right?
You've got multiple, you know transition ramps that go around an edge and they built them so compact and tight one
guy I remember I was skating, did not know it was built wrong.
And if you've been skating, you know, most ramps usually are built correctly.
So you just ride around and you know how to make your moves.
And he went up to carve between these two walls and they were built like a 90, like, like it was like a, like a wall.
And he slammed into it, bashed his skull and was left blood in the ground.
That is because, and this is what I'm told, the city decided to go with a crony over an actual construction company.
That's what happens with cronyism.
ian crossland
You're saying like when with regarding cronyism so like they'll say Corporation will be like we're gonna fund these Democrats to make sure that our skate park gets built So if you are the County Commissioner, would there be other people on the Commission with you voting?
derek harvey
It's a five-person Commission and it's a majority vote that will make the determination on a budget or an issue of a purchase for the Sheriff's Department like new equipment or for the fire department or Because it's fire, it's fire and rescue, EMS, sheriff's department, those are all under the county.
ian crossland
And your role will be one of five, basically?
derek harvey
One of five.
tim pool
So how does that work when people vote?
Like, it says, vote for five county commissioners, and there's a big list?
derek harvey
Right.
tim pool
Wow, that's crazy.
derek harvey
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, well, good luck.
But you're not just up against one Democrat, then, are you?
derek harvey
No, no, there's multiple Democrats.
And in some ways, you could say you're up against other Republicans.
jack posobiec
Right.
derek harvey
Because it's a food fight at that point.
So what is it, top five?
It's a top five and, you know, in Washington County, Tim, as you know, it's a heavily Republican.
It was a Trump County by about 61%.
tim pool
MAGA country.
derek harvey
MAGA country.
Yeah.
And, you know, we've got people that really care about their county and the future here.
And we've got a great slate of good candidates across the board.
jack posobiec
But then in, I just remember from back home, my county was, you would have to, you have to have a certain number of minority seats.
derek harvey
No, there's no requirement for any identity politics.
tim pool
And I'm pretty sure Washington County sent a letter requesting to secede from Maryland to join West Virginia.
derek harvey
Yes, they did.
jack posobiec
Yes, Tim, that letter was sent and received.
ian crossland
Is that like actually on the table?
tim pool
I mean, it was like three counties, right?
Western, Maryland.
derek harvey
Well, I find that the succession idea to be a major distraction from our ability to actually work on the hard issues that we have an opportunity to make progress on.
tim pool
Did you see the district change with the new census?
Yes.
By cutting out, basically, what was it?
They had the Frederick suburbs in the Western Maryland Congressional District?
derek harvey
Well, the Congressional District for Western Maryland is the 6th Congressional District, and we got David Trone running against Neil Parrott for the Congressional seat here.
And by the way, David Trone does not live within the district, okay?
tim pool
And you're allowed to do that?
derek harvey
You're allowed to do that here, okay?
And the other issue is, you know, the gerrymandering was challenged in court and it came out a little bit better for Republicans because of the court cases brought by Neil Perrott and others.
tim pool
So, but we do have... It's like a Republican district now.
derek harvey
No, it's still a majority Democrat district because we've got parts of the DC suburbs as part of this district that represents all the way out to the very end of Western Maryland.
tim pool
Wow, really?
derek harvey
So, very dissimilar areas.
tim pool
Wow, this is C.D.
Maryland... 6th.
C.D.
6th, Maryland.
Maryland's 6th congressional district.
Yeah.
It's D plus one.
Wow, that's crazy.
derek harvey
But it's a much better opportunity and it is looked at as a very competitive race that the Republicans can flip this year.
tim pool
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
Oh, it's changed.
It's still D plus one.
But moving forward, they've included Frederick in... Wow.
That's just crazy to me.
I mean, you've got people who live in the panhandle of Maryland who are... I mean, it's MAGA country.
I go driving out there, it is all MAGA country.
It's basically West Virginia.
It's rural, yet they are in what's basically a D.C.
suburb.
derek harvey
Montgomery County is part of this district.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
You guys mention MAGA multiple times today, the word MAGA has come up, and Jack even mentioned earlier that it was, oh, I'll let Jack speak.
MAGA.
Yeah, that there is a third political party in the United States.
It's MAGA, but it's just in the Republican Party.
So why don't they break ranks and start another political party called MAGA?
derek harvey
Why would they?
ian crossland
Because people, the reason I've heard in the past is because, no, they need the money.
They need that Republican money.
No, they don't.
They need fame.
They need popularity.
jack posobiec
No, it's infrastructure.
ian crossland
What does that mean?
jack posobiec
It's the infrastructure of what, 9,000 different municipalities across the entire country.
ian crossland
That do what exactly?
jack posobiec
That do everything that he's talking about from the ground up.
derek harvey
It's county commissioners, not county commissioners, but you know, Washington County in Maryland, you've got a central committee of Republicans that help organize, recruit, develop precinct captains, recruit precinct leaders to register voters.
All of that infrastructure is gradually being taken over by MAGA.
jack posobiec
Yes.
tim pool
So if I went to a county... I'm sorry, I have to issue a correction.
It's Nuclear Ultramaga.
jack posobiec
Nuclear Ultramaga.
tim pool
Thank you.
ian crossland
With the glasses.
jack posobiec
Wait, wait, wait.
With the side infusion of extremist rosary.
derek harvey
That's right.
Of course.
Not just the rosary, but the Gadsden flag and the Betsy Ross flag.
tim pool
The Gonzales flag.
So if I went to a county... I love that story, by the way.
The story of the Gonzales flag.
unidentified
That's great.
tim pool
You know what the story is?
I looked it up.
It was a small colony of Gonzales.
They requested armaments.
They got one cannon.
And then the Mexican colonels or whatever showed up and said, give us your cannon.
And they were like, no, come and take it.
And they held up a flag with their one little cannon on it, like come and take it.
lydia smith
We drew a picture of it.
tim pool
It's amazing.
lydia smith
So great.
tim pool
It's all it was.
ian crossland
If I went to a county with my, with my, you know, Gazdan flag wrapped around me and I was like, I'm an ultra mega nuclear candidate.
I want to run.
They'd be like, we don't have the infrastructure for you because it's all Republican.
Like what, what would be the difference exactly?
Like how would I have a hard time getting on the ballot?
What would be different?
Because I'm making YouTube videos.
I got a hundred million people that follow me on YouTube.
tim pool
Do you remember when we talked to the Mises Caucus guys and they were talking about the Libertarian Party and the pragmatists and then the Mises guys come in and basically took the party over?
You've got a party.
There are people in it who have ideals.
So basically what ends up happening is there's a monopoly on the political infrastructure between Democrats and Republicans.
And it's going to be impossible for you to compete with, you know, you're trying to open a coffee shop next to a Starbucks.
Good luck, bro.
They got all the, they could subsidize everything.
Democrats can take money from wealthy districts, send it over to your district and flood the zone so you can't possibly win.
But unless you've got a comparably large, so instead of opening a coffee shop, you franchise a coffee bean to open up next to Starbucks and you got to give some of your profits.
And so, yeah, but now you're going to do things the way you want to do it.
ian crossland
It's all money.
It's all money.
tim pool
It's not just money, it's infrastructure.
jack posobiec
It's also because the United States has a winner-take-all system and not proportional representation.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
And so this is why you see more multi-party coalitions in Europe or in just different parts of the world that have proportional representation because then you can have, if a certain amount of people in the country vote for that party, then they can get on the ballot.
That's closer to what you're talking about.
tim pool
So Ian, it's actually really, really simple.
There is a third party, the way Jack describes it, but what happens is, you've got Republicans.
Republicans overwhelmingly share similar values.
One day, someone comes up and says, hey, we all kind of agree that immigration is an issue.
Why don't we put that on our agenda list to fix the border?
Established Republicans are like, no, that's bad for my lobbyists, it's bad for my corporate donors, or whatever, or I don't agree with it.
But one day, you wake up to find that 60% of your party agrees we should secure the border.
All of a sudden now, you're seeing a new, a change of the candidates' style and the way they talk and the ideas they promote because they have a higher priority on issues that their party already kind of cares about.
ian crossland
Is that like, are they getting marching orders?
They're like, hey, now 60% of the head of the RNC wants this, so then they send...
tim pool
It's also a new generation entered the Republican Party.
And if you look at someone like me, I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, I voted in 2020.
But I came from the internet position of the hacker culture and freedom and liberty and anarchy and things like that.
So when you're getting all these Ron Paul young people that grew up on the internet, they're not going to be Democrats.
They're going to be Republicans.
And then when they start running, you'll see a Ron DeSantis and the party starts changing.
derek harvey
And if you go back historically, just for comparison purposes, you know, in the late 1950s and early 60s, you know, the Republican Party, you know, after Eisenhower went into the dark ages and, you know, minority in the House of Representatives, You know, we had Democratic presidents, but we had a revolution within the Republican Party.
It started with conservative writers and thinkers.
It led to Barry Goldwater running.
He lost really badly.
But it provided the seed corn for what became Ronald Reagan and the Ronald Reagan revolution.
20 years.
But they took over the party from the establishment.
We're going through the same metamorphosis here, in my judgment.
jack posobiec
Well, keep in mind that people always talk about, you know, Barry Goldwater getting blown out.
But that's also because that was one year after the JFK assassination.
And I think that had a lot more to do with it than any specific ideology.
Just to kind of throw that out there.
As Tim and I were talking about early on Twitter today, this is why there is an opening in the 2024 race for none other than Ron Paul.
Get him in there!
Trump, Ron Paul, 2024.
Why Trump, Ron Paul?
Why not?
Why not?
tim pool
Because remember, Trump- I mean, I'm a fan, but isn't Ron like 90?
jack posobiec
Yeah, he's old.
Yeah, he's old.
No, because here's, all right, here's my thinking.
Here's my thinking.
And people were saying, oh, Trump wants a woman.
Trump wants this.
86.
86, okay.
Why not, you know, why not choose someone younger, set them up?
Hold on though, hold on.
All right, all right.
Let me give the pitch here.
Trump can only have one term left.
So this isn't going to be someone who's got a two-term presidency.
And me, I'm looking at it from the perspective of, you know, and I'm just kind of playing out the argument.
I'm not like actually saying we need to do this.
But we want somebody who's going to get in there and actually clean things up.
And wouldn't that be more interesting if you knew that the person on your team also wasn't considering having a future career go on to do more in politics that you could bring a
guy in who isn't worried about the future because you know, he's pretty much at the end of his career to
begin with and Go in and actually clean house. I mean, yes, I would
tim pool
absolutely take a Ron Paul government over 99.9% of any of these politicians so sure
jack posobiec
It's not a bad idea.
tim pool
Rand Paul as well.
I'm just imagining Ron getting in and being like, oh, the first thing I'm going to do is end the Fed.
Then Trump's like, whatever you say, Ron.
And then everyone cheers and Ian has a party.
jack posobiec
Great.
ian crossland
And?
tim pool
There you go.
I mean, yeah, it'd be great.
ian crossland
I'm concerned about this age.
unidentified
Abolish it.
jack posobiec
Don't audit it.
Abolish it.
ian crossland
I would like to talk to Ron before I decide, because 86 concerns me.
86, is that what it was, 86?
tim pool
It is 86.
But as VP, I mean, look, I think Trump is old, too.
jack posobiec
It's VP, right?
derek harvey
The criteria you're talking about is good.
Someone who's not going to be focusing on their own political future.
jack posobiec
Yes.
derek harvey
Someone who's got competency and experience in government.
Someone who's independent enough and not worried about being attacked by the mainstream media or whatever.
So, you know, that sounds good for the vice president.
jack posobiec
For the vice president?
derek harvey
For the vice president.
And it might be someone else out there who fits those criteria.
tim pool
Like when Obama picked Biden.
And then Biden went to run for president.
jack posobiec
Because I'm trying to think of what's the most effective vice president I could think of.
Which, and by the way, in terms of all that, Could also throw Rand Paul in that mix.
Yeah.
For the same reason.
No, I would think that he would probably also consider a political path beyond that.
tim pool
I would prefer Trump Rand Paul over Trump DeSantis.
jack posobiec
Why?
Same.
tim pool
Rand Paul.
unidentified
Same.
tim pool
Yeah.
For one, I think the Pauls as a family are principled, great people.
I think Rand Paul would be a great VP.
I don't think he's got what it takes to be a president.
jack posobiec
You've had him on, right?
He's been on here.
tim pool
No, no, no.
unidentified
Really?
jack posobiec
Get him on.
tim pool
Look, dude, Rand Paul is like one of the only guys who stands up to the NDAA and tries to filibuster these bills.
ian crossland
He stands up to Fauci.
tim pool
He stands up to everything.
derek harvey
How about a DeSantis and Don Jr.
ticket?
tim pool
I mean, that'd be great.
derek harvey
You know, you get the Trump name and backing, and then you got DeSantis.
jack posobiec
DeSantis, 28, and then Don Jr.
runs for, I'm thinking either Senate or Governor in Florida.
ian crossland
I do not like families controlling things.
I don't mind if the person's qualified.
Like, Rand Paul, he's won me over with his good graces and his interactions, but I don't like voting for names.
Like, I don't know Don Jr.
if he has any political aspiration or quality.
I've never even met the guy.
tim pool
You're right, but Don Jr.
has shown that he has good values.
ian crossland
I just don't want to vote.
Oh, well, that's a different story.
I will not vote for a name, though.
tim pool
We've been out there working very, very hard.
jack posobiec
I'm not asking you to vote for Barron.
ian crossland
Well, that's another story.
tim pool
I don't know, he's tall.
He's like, what is he, like 12 feet tall?
jack posobiec
I think he's like 6'8, 6'9 now, yeah.
lydia smith
Whoa!
ian crossland
Yeah, the story of Barron Trump.
That's told by Barron Trump.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
What if the Barron Trump novels are actually just about Barron Trump?
ian crossland
He did write them when he was in his 60s.
tim pool
No, no, just like it was a prophecy.
Somebody, so you know about these books, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
derek harvey
I've not heard about them.
jack posobiec
Was it The Mystical Journey or something?
tim pool
Something like that.
It's a story about a guy named, what is his name, Barron Trump.
jack posobiec
Just hit nine o'clock, by the way.
tim pool
And so does that, are the results coming in?
jack posobiec
What's going on?
Polls just closed, but I don't think we have results yet.
Polls just closed in Wyoming.
tim pool
There should be some polling, right?
jack posobiec
Alaska's still going.
By the way, Sarah Palin, also on the ballot today in Alaska, special elections for Congress up there.
Kind of incredible.
So she's, I think she's, I believe she's the front runner for that.
And then Kelly Chebaka, by the way, if we haven't said her name.
ian crossland
I just searched Barron Trump on Brave Browser and a lot of the pictures of him are like when he was a little kid still.
Where's all the pictures of Barron today?
tim pool
He's taller than his dad.
jack posobiec
He's a giant.
Can you set it for like, you know, 2022 and then set it for like last month or so?
ian crossland
Because I have a feeling he's big and beautiful now and the media doesn't want to show how wonderful a Trump man can be, like the tall gorgeousness.
jack posobiec
He looks like his dad.
tim pool
So there's a book that was written in the 1800s about a guy who runs for president named Barron Trump.
And in the book, they actually say that anarchists and socialists come from the Lower East Side of Manhattan to Trump Castle on Fifth Avenue.
And like, I can't believe it.
You know what I mean?
Like, it just doesn't, does not sound real.
jack posobiec
My favorite... Ingersoll Lockwood, I think?
ian crossland
Yeah, that's the guy who wrote it.
jack posobiec
I've talked about, I think I've said this on here before, but my favorite, my favorite one of those theories is that...
is that Steve Bannon actually is Baron from the future, who has been sent back to guide his father.
And I guess the time dilation affects the height.
tim pool
And the reason Trump fired Bannon, right?
jack posobiec
In 17, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so what ended up happening was Donald overheard Ben and talking with his contacts
through his future communications device because it's really easy to talk to the future, right?
Obviously.
ian crossland
And then he knows too much about me.
tim pool
No, he walked in and was like, Steve, what is this?
What are you saying?
You're Barron?
And he's like, Dad, you weren't supposed to find out this way.
I can't believe this.
Get out of here.
I would love to make that short film.
Steve Bannon is Barron from the future.
So I don't know.
These books are crazy.
We talked about them before, but I don't know.
Why did Barron come?
Oh yeah, you said you're not going to say.
Okay.
Anyway, back to the actual news and stuff.
Don, Don Jr.
has gone on numerous shows, talked about his values, what he believes in, what he wants.
derek harvey
Good book.
A good book, too.
He wrote a good book.
tim pool
Right, there you go.
derek harvey
But he's worked really hard in the campaigns, working to support candidates across the board.
jack posobiec
He works like crazy.
tim pool
So you're not voting for a name, you're voting for a guy who's doing the work.
ian crossland
We should have him on.
I think he follows you on Twitter.
We've talked about having him on sometimes.
tim pool
We've talked to him.
Whenever he's able.
ian crossland
Let's talk politics, bro.
tim pool
He has been invited.
ian crossland
A lot of ideas of things we could do to refocus people on what we can do.
How about this?
unidentified
A global coalition to work on the carbon withdrawal from the atmosphere.
derek harvey
Hunter Biden.
Don Jr.
unidentified
Don Jr., yeah.
derek harvey
Compare and contrast, you know.
tim pool
It's crazy, isn't it?
If Don Jr.
did 1% of what Hunter Biden's accused of, they'd be calling for, you know, a life prison sentence.
They'd be saying, lock him up.
jack posobiec
Well, I always try to say that Hunter Biden is who they want Don Jr.
unidentified
to be.
tim pool
Right.
derek harvey
It's always projection for them.
It's always projection.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, well, it's deflection, right?
They know that they are doing something wrong or it describes them.
So they have to.
Well, that's you.
That's you.
No, that's you.
Donald Trump engaged in a quid pro quo with Ukraine.
It's like Trump actually uncovered Biden's quid pro quo with Ukraine.
No, no, that was you.
jack posobiec
Well, it's actually the best way to get ahead of, so in politics, the best way to get ahead of a scandal is to accuse your opponent of doing the same thing before it's come out.
So you accuse them, even if it's completely baseless, you accuse your opponent of doing this.
And Nancy Pelosi has talked about the wrap-up smear a million times, where, and Scott Adams has been talking about this recently.
Just reminding us of it, where she explains, well, first you make the accusation, and then you get someplace to report the accusation.
And then you get a reporter to go and question them about the accusation and get them to respond.
And now you've done the rap book.
derek harvey
And then you get the FBI to have a leak to their favorite reporters and to go brief on the Hill so that they get a committee, the Gang of Eight, and then the Gang of Eight then tells reporters that, oh, we have a serious allegation here against Mr. Trump.
tim pool
You had a tweet where you said you thought the affidavit would reveal the FBI source was the mainstream media.
jack posobiec
Yeah, so, and people were asking me what I meant by that tweet.
It's gone hyper viral.
And what I'm doing is I'm just putting a parallel to the events of the last six months and then the raid on Mar-a-Lago with the Russiagate investigation, because that's essentially what it was.
It was a bunch of Yahoo News articles and Michael Isikoff, which were based on leaks from Fusion GPS and this insane dossier story, which a lot of people know about this point, but I'm not going to go rehash all of it.
But the idea was they were using circular reporting in that they were, to what you basically just said, Derek, they're leaking things to the press that they want reported.
And then the DOJ, because again, the DOJ has to have some kind of probable cause, right?
So they are making their own probable cause.
And then you add in like, you know, some innuendo, you add in some whisper down the lane, some hearsay, some rumors.
Oh, I heard he's got documents.
tim pool
Sources.
jack posobiec
Stuffed in his pants.
I heard he's got this, this one, you know, uniform division of the secret service.
And she saw a box.
I remember the one, uh, the New York times keeps talking about this while we, we subpoenaed the surveillance tapes of Mar-a-Lago and it shows that there were boxes going in and out of a secure room.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
But yeah, I do that too.
It's called cleaning my garage.
I've got boxes going in and out.
tim pool
This is what the media does.
My favorite analogy is saying that You can, you'll see the news reports something like sources
close to Pelosi's office say that she kicks dogs. And then they're like, whoa, sources close
to her office. What you didn't say was the source was the homeless guy sleeping in the
alley who has no real understanding of what's going on inside, but he is close. He's very close. I
am telling the truth.
You misinterpreted what I was saying. That's your fault.
derek harvey
Yeah. The media always exaggerates and amplifies the story.
And when we look at it, we get the real facts down the road. If we ever do get the
real facts, we go, what was that about?
That's the constant back story on the Russia hoax.
tim pool
The nuclear document story that just came out.
Washington Post said, you know, that the agents were looking for nuclear documents.
Sources say, sources familiar with the investigation agents carried out,
said that they were looking for documents related to nuclear,
no, said nuclear documents.
Whether those are weapons and whether those are American, we don't know.
And I'm like, okay, so what you reported is, we know a guy.
Who knows a guy?
And we think he was looking for documents, something to do with nukes.
What about the nukes?
No idea.
And you know a guy.
Okay.
I'm supposed to take that seriously as fact-based reporting, as responsible reporting?
Sorry, dude.
And then it turns out the search warrant was just overly broad.
It wasn't specific.
derek harvey
Purposely overly broad because it's actually a fishing expedition to see if they can find something in the haystack of documents there.
tim pool
I gotta say though, that's a big white pill.
They're so scared Trump's gonna win.
jack posobiec
I actually do have a little bit of authorization to say this, that on the way here today, I did get a phone call from Trump's lawyer, from Christina Bob, and people have seen her all across the news lately, that she's out there on this.
And look, we both worked together at OAN in the past, so I don't think it's a surprise to anybody that we know each other.
And yes, we do still keep in contact.
And one thing that she told me, so she's there at the Mar-a-Lago raid.
And she's talked about this in some interviews already.
But what I asked her, as I said, what did the FBI, like, how were they acting?
Were they acting, you know, you know, if you got in their face, they're going to arrest you or how are they?
And the weirdest thing, and she said that I took it was so strange that she said they were acting as if we could keep the whole thing quiet.
We were all just kind of cool about it.
That they actually didn't think that Trump would tell people that he had been raided.
unidentified
What?
jack posobiec
And I said, why do you think they thought that?
And she said, I think that they thought that he was worried, or he might be worried, that it would make Trump look bad.
And where I'm saying, how did they not understand that this makes you look bad when you're raiding him?
tim pool
Or that this is Donald Trump.
Have you ever met the guy?
derek harvey
And they specifically timed the raid, I understand from some of the readings I did, that they timed it when Trump would not be there because they wanted to keep it on the down low.
jack posobiec
He's not usually there, Summer, to begin with.
Because Mar-a-Lago is closed for the season.
It's around the skeleton crew right now.
And when I talked to Christine, she said, look, I wasn't even there when this whole thing started.
And she tore down when she heard what was going on, got in their faces to say, hey, what are you doing?
What is all this?
Can you explain what's going on?
And they wouldn't tell her anything.
And we've seen the search warrant, and it was completely perfunctory.
Of course, over at Human Events, yeah, they were the first outlet to, you know, blah, blah, blah, and all that.
tim pool
So the DOJ is blocking the affidavit right now.
jack posobiec
So the DOJ has said, now think about this, Merrick Garland came up two days later and said, we will let the information known to the American people.
He said that at his press conference.
And it's his at the press conference, of course, though, his argument was basically that, hey, I'm the government.
You can trust me.
And then a couple of days later, by the way, immediately after that, when he walked off the stage, that's when we got the leak about the nukes.
So somebody pops that out right after he gets off stage about nuclear weapons, which is just immediately gone.
There's been a bunch of rumors that have been flying since then.
Is it about Ukraine?
Is it about the Iran deal?
Whatever.
And they're now fighting to keep the affidavit under seal because they're saying that if the affidavit becomes out, it will injure their investigation.
And you'd think that if he were trying to be serious about this, and Jonathan Turley had a piece up today, which I thought he was being a little squishy with it, but I agree with part of it, where he said, look, if this guy was trying to be fair, he'd at least say you can release parts of it.
That you could release something to just alleviate, like the pressure valve, just alleviate a little bit of the pressure, let off some of the pressure.
Look, there were some documents. We were worried about the security of it. It had some. So,
so Derek, for example, one of the one of the theories that, you know, myself and other,
you know, prior to Navy intelligence officer, one of the theories that we had was, could he have
PDBs, declassified copies of a PDB? What's a PDB? So presidential's daily brief, presidential.
So, a PDB, you know, he might have it because he wants a certain portion of it.
But depending on the format it's in, you might have all sorts of CIA reporting in there, code word stuff, special access, who knows, right?
You could have a ton of stuff in there that, you know, would be better served if it were secured elsewhere, right?
So, you know, what kind of stuff would be in a PDB?
derek harvey
Well, it could be discussions about North Korean nuclear capabilities, right?
jack posobiec
Or the discussions or the thinking of North Korea, which we only have because maybe we have a source in Kim Jong Un's palace or inside the Kremlin.
And if you read the report, you might know that because of the access, you know, the only way someone could have this level of information and you know, oh, and Kim Jong Un over breakfast on Wednesday said this.
derek harvey
The problem with that is, on the PDBs, is the PD books are controlled.
They go in and they are returned in their number.
Right.
But I really think that one of the things that they had down there were the Russia hoax documents from the CIA showing CIA and FBI culpability.
There were numerous investigations.
Director Radcliffe, former DNI director, Radcliffe has talked about this.
I think that's probably one of the things that they would have had down there because he ordered those to be declassified.
jack posobiec
The fact that DOJ did not go through with the process over there for further dissemination of these documents as declassified doesn't make those documents any less So you're talking about the underlying SpyGate documents, the original documents that started the entire operation that became Russiagate, that became the dossier, everything else.
We're talking about the original electronic communications and everything else that was pulled during.
And this, when you were working with Nunes, you worked with Kash Patel and so many others.
The late great Rich Higgins, by the way.
derek harvey
For example, the investigation of what CIA was actually doing and the evidence that they looked at to come up with a conclusion that Russia wanted Trump to win in the 2016 election.
There is a tremendous documentation there that shows malfeasance and culpability.
They cherry-picked information to get to a conclusion and the overwhelming amount of evidence that pointed in another direction was put on the cutting room floor.
That type of laydown is what Director Radcliffe had.
It's damning of the Central Intelligence Agency and of the FBI.
ian crossland
You know for a fact that they had that information?
Yes.
Did you see it?
derek harvey
I worked on that project.
ian crossland
And then so they would have like on a thumb drive, just copies of the emails and stuff and all that was all it was all paper copies.
So but that's weird to me that they would have like a paper copy of it.
And that's it.
If it burns on fire, you never see it again.
I mean, that's very Inspector Gadget.
derek harvey
No, we had it in a vault at the CIA headquarters.
There are other copies.
Tremendous amount of work.
Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of work by many people to go through all of the intelligence that was available to the Central Intelligence Agency that they neglected to include.
And it was information that was not consistent with the narrative that John Brennan and the Director of National Intelligence Clapper wanted to portray to the President in the fall of 2016 about Russia wanting Trump to win.
Trump did fire everybody.
It's a good question.
We brought in Dan Coats to be the Director of National Intelligence, and you wound up with CIA Director Pompeo.
A lot of this evidence was provided to Director Pompeo and to the Deputy Director Haspel, and they decided to do nothing with that information about what CIA had done to politicize their intelligence.
jack posobiec
Hey, Derek, last time I checked and maybe maybe you can refresh my memory.
Who was the station chief?
So a lot of this was done in London, right?
So who was the CIA station chief?
Any human operation that's conducted overseas must be signed off with the purview and really authorization of the CIA station chief for that country.
That's how it works.
So whoever was working with Christopher Steele, whatever, FBI, Bruce Ohr and Nellie and all this stuff in the UK had to be signed off by the London Station Chief.
Who was the London Station Chief during all this?
derek harvey
Gina Haspel, who became the Deputy Director of the CIA, who also decided not to do anything.
jack posobiec
And then Director of CIA, Gina Haspel.
derek harvey
So just how all these people wind up still popping up?
You know, Peter Strzok's wife is leading the investigation for the Securities Exchange Commission about the Trump media group.
unidentified
Wow.
derek harvey
Okay.
How does Lisa Monaco wind up leading the investigation of Trump right now?
tim pool
Deep state.
jack posobiec
It's, I mean, it's not even that deep anymore.
It's the in-your-face state.
Yeah.
derek harvey
They don't care.
They just don't care anymore.
tim pool
Well, I think they're losing.
And I think they know they're losing.
I often talk about this country destabilizing.
Trump said something terrible will happen unless we lower these temperatures.
I think all that's true.
But I think the reason the temperature is heating up is because the bureaucratic state, the administrative state, knows they are failing.
They have lost cohesion and they're going to be removed very quickly.
Donald Trump was going to fire everybody.
He's planning on running and then immediately, you know, the reporting is he's going to fire everybody once again
and I'd love to see it.
I'm down for DeSantis or anybody else, but I'm kind of like, maybe the first thing we do is like, you know, let's say
you buy a new company, you come in, you clean house.
You say, okay, this company's crooked, it's corrupt, these employees aren't working, but we got a good base here, so we're gonna fire all these people, keep the good ones, very few of them, and then we're gonna start rehiring and rebuilding this thing.
I'd love to see that.
ian crossland
Part of why there's tension is because there's this lack of vision by leadership in this country.
There's no, maybe not no plan, but, like, how often do you see someone in an established form of government come out and tell you about their excited plans for the future?
And get people riled up to like, yes, we can change the world.
We can start terraforming Earth.
Like, but where's the real change proposals from Donald?
I didn't see much.
Like, where's he talking about fusion for the love of God, fusion power or space travel?
tim pool
He's talked about space travel quite a bit.
A little bit.
jack posobiec
He started Space Force.
tim pool
He started Space Force and he wants to go to Mars.
ian crossland
That's good.
tim pool
He wants a base on the moon to bring us to Mars.
jack posobiec
Could have done more on nuclear.
Sure.
Yeah, could have done more.
ian crossland
But, okay, so maybe some people are.
derek harvey
Were you going to say something?
I was going to say that, you know, President Trump looked for new ideas and he wanted to execute a reinvention of the Pentagon, taking a good look at how we do health care in this country.
But when you have 4,000 political appointees and you don't get most of your people through the Senate or into the lower positions, And the ones that you are getting are people like Director Ray.
The establishment provided him as, this guy's vetted, he's good, he's reliable.
And look what we get when we get Director Ray.
He's part of the Rhino class.
tim pool
There you go.
ian crossland
When Donald, when they were talking about climate change, and then I think Donald Trump was like, I'd never heard him be like, let's fix it.
It was more like, uh, that's not as big of a problem as you're making it out to be kind of meant.
I don't want to be too hard on Don cause he had a big job.
Um, but I think we can fix the climate.
So like, I don't know, man, I don't know.
That's what we need.
I think we will deescalate tensions when we start producing a myth, a modern myth that we can get behind.
Just a modern story.
jack posobiec
Put a pin on this that the people that get me, though, are the ones who say, oh, well, Trump couldn't destroy the or, you know, defeat the entire establishment in one term.
I guess that means he sucks now.
We should just stop trying.
I mean, really, if you actually think you're up against these all powerful masters of the universe who have so much ability.
derek harvey
They stole his presidency.
jack posobiec
To break control of this.
They took away his, what, first three, two and a half years, just by two and a half, three years.
derek harvey
Two and a half years.
And then you get caught into COVID in the last year.
jack posobiec
And then impeached him.
And then COVID.
tim pool
And even even with all that, we had gas prices were dropping, the economy was booming.
Imagine what he could have actually accomplished if he wasn't jammed up with with Russiagate.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
And that's not Cope.
That's just that's just what happened.
Okay, that's what happened.
And if you can't be adult enough to sit there and look at the situation objectively and say, yes, this was run against him because Trump winning the White House was a beachhead.
Okay.
That was a beachhead that you established, but you're still surrounded in Washington, DC by the administrative state.
And they came for him.
They came into the White House.
tim pool
I remember there was a viral tweet from one of these lawyers that said, we are going to impeach you the day, like he was getting in.
derek harvey
Yes, right from the very beginning.
My own experience.
I went in and took over the Middle East effort in the National Security Council for the president.
They went after Mike Flynn and took Mike Flynn out.
And Mike Flynn wanted to execute and move on the president's agenda for the Middle East.
He wanted a new approach for the Middle East peace talks.
He wanted to move the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
He wanted his first trip overseas to be to Saudi Arabia and Israel.
He wanted to get out of the Iran deal.
Mattis and Tillerson and McMaster opposed him on all those initiatives.
tim pool
Deep State!
jack posobiec
Derek, is it true that McMaster would essentially just go into him and fudge the numbers on Syria withdrawals and everything like that?
derek harvey
In meetings that I participated in, there was a mischaracterization provided to the President by Tillerson, Mattis, and McMaster.
I was sitting on the love seat behind the view so the President could see me, and those three were sitting right in front of the Oval Office in front of President Trump's desk.
And I was right in the line of sight of the president and they were telling him things and I was shaking my head no.
And the president would say, my guys are telling me there's another way of looking at this.
My guys are telling me that there's new information on this.
He would challenge General Mattis.
They couldn't see me shaking my head.
But he picked up on those signals correctly.
unidentified
Wow.
derek harvey
But they were providing him wrong numbers.
Mischaracterizing what was actually going on and trying to just bullshit him.
tim pool
Let's jump to this completely unrelated story for the last quick segment, because we have to.
Alec Baldwin tells the CCP that the media... I'm sorry.
The Chris Cuomo Project, not the Chinese Communist Party.
That the media is out to get him and insists he did not pull the trigger on Rust's set.
Frustrated actor fumes that the only question is who put a live bullet in the stunt gun.
Stunt gun?
It was an actual gun.
It was a single action revolver.
Real gun.
As he awaits DA decision on if he'll be charged.
Charge him.
By the way, Jack pointed this out, the Chris Cuomo Project is abbreviated CCP.
jack posobiec
So Chris Cuomo's new podcast is called the Chris Cuomo Project, aka CCP.
And shout out to producer Shaw at Human Events Daily, who actually noticed that before me.
But his promo code, he's got a couple of advertisers already.
His promo code is promo code ZZFig.
unidentified
No!
tim pool
I kid you not.
We're in a simulation.
We live in a simulation.
I'm done, okay?
How do we activate console commands?
ian crossland
DMT, I think.
jack posobiec
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Promo code DMT.
tim pool
How is it?
I just, I just can't, I can't.
ian crossland
It's too weird.
Well, there's only 26 letters.
So there's what, like a 506, one out of 566,000.
jack posobiec
Well, so, so here's, here's the contention.
tim pool
Go to palmolive.com slash CCP or whatever.
Like, dude, come on, man.
jack posobiec
So the article though, or the interview, is that ABC leaked this FBI document, which was a review of the actual Colt revolver that was used on the set.
It was not a stunt gun or a prop gun.
It was just a gun.
And they said, hey, this thing can't be fired unless you pull the trigger.
tim pool
And that's what we were all saying.
jack posobiec
And that's what everybody said.
tim pool
And there's a bunch of things we're still waiting on, but Alec Baldwin was like, I didn't pull the trigger, it just went off.
jack posobiec
And then I was like- Police say he's fanning it.
tim pool
Right, right, right, right, right.
They pulled the hammer back and it just went off, which is not possible.
And they checked it.
Right.
We speculated that, no, he pulled the trigger.
The simple story here, it's very simple.
Alec Baldwin on a movie set, pulled out a gun with a live bullet in it, pointed it at a woman, pulled the trigger, and killed her.
ian crossland
It was a woman that he was having problems with on set too and I think he was fantasizing about shooting her with an empty gun just like a little kid like bang bang you're dead ha ha ha and it turned out someone put a bullet in that gun.
tim pool
Well, there was reporting about the problems he was having with staff on set.
And then this happens.
What's this?
jack posobiec
Results.
Results are in!
unidentified
5%.
5% in.
jack posobiec
Oh.
Hagman 53, Liz Cheney 44.
Wait, wait, wait.
tim pool
What source do you have right now?
AP?
jack posobiec
First results.
Shoot, I'm seeing this.
Central Valley Politics.
Central Valley Politics.
And I believe it's from New York Times.
tim pool
New York Times?
Oh, there we go, there we go.
Wyoming at large.
Hagaman, 54% to Liz Cheney, 45% with 4% estimated reporting.
Let's get it!
jack posobiec
9 points, here we go!
Here we go, baby!
ian crossland
Why is her name in that title?
unidentified
Done!
jack posobiec
So done!
ian crossland
Why does it say Hagman braces for Wyoming?
Why are they like...
unidentified
Wait, what do you mean?
ian crossland
Making a hero out of Liz?
jack posobiec
Well, why is Liz Cheney's name?
ian crossland
Why doesn't it say Hagman braces for Wyoming's voter?
tim pool
Because Liz Cheney's the incumbent.
She's in office right now.
jack posobiec
No, but I get what he's saying.
He's saying, why doesn't it say Wyoming voters choose their representative?
ian crossland
Yeah, right, right.
jack posobiec
Well, because they've got to run an angle.
The angle is that Liz Cheney is their great avatar and she's being destroyed by this, you know, upstart grassroots MAGA Republican.
tim pool
This is shocking.
Graybel with 59% it's a Democrat I have no idea. So I'd be interesting to see if
they have details. Okay so only a little bits in so far.
3,486 so far for Hagerman. Liz Cheney with 2,906. I almost can't
jack posobiec
believe it to be honest. In the good news, Wyoming there's not gonna be a lot of votes.
derek harvey
The good news is that's Cheney's best district. Is it?
I'm just kidding.
jack posobiec
It's an at-large.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, at-large.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
tim pool
It's the whole state.
There's one district.
derek harvey
It's no district.
I'm talking about the precincts that are reporting.
jack posobiec
Oh, really?
derek harvey
Yeah.
ian crossland
Shout out to Anthony Bouchard.
jack posobiec
Oh, there we go.
tim pool
It's Casper.
jack posobiec
So that's Casper.
And I imagine Cheyenne would probably be her best.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Cheyenne is probably...
It's already looking good if outside of Cheyenne.
jack posobiec
Huge early lead for Hagerman.
Huge.
tim pool
It's like a thousand, it's like not, it's not even a thousand, it's 500, 580.
jack posobiec
It's almost a 10 point lead.
ian crossland
So the vote's just closed.
When do you think they'll be?
tim pool
They're tabulating, it's coming in now.
ian crossland
What do you think, like three days until the total count?
jack posobiec
It's not election day anymore, it's now election week, and then it's election month.
ian crossland
We need some space and some time to calculate.
derek harvey
We're gonna wait for the mail-in ballots to get in and count them next week.
jack posobiec
And then 3 a.m.
rolls around.
ian crossland
But technically it should be done by 2-3 a.m., right?
Isn't that the way these votes come?
tim pool
Technically.
unidentified
8 p.m.
ian crossland
and they're done?
tim pool
Yeah, sooner than that.
jack posobiec
France has it done in like five hours.
Not even.
The whole country.
tim pool
66 million votes, something like that?
jack posobiec
I still love the, what is it, the L.A.
County, with the signatures, have you seen this?
tim pool
Oh yeah, Gascon.
jack posobiec
Gascon, they struck 200,000 signatures from his petition, which just coincidentally happened to be the, put him right under the threshold for a recall.
tim pool
Well, so here's the thing, something like 80 or 90,000 were not registered voters, and that should be very easy to actually verify.
So a bunch were like not registered voters or duplicates, they argued.
The bulk, I think, were duplicates and unregistered voters.
ian crossland
That's like two-sevenths.
I mean, that's like 20... What percent?
That's like 38% of the freaking votes came in were nullified.
tim pool
If you extrapolate that out... Signatures, though.
So this is the different thing.
You get a petition.
You walk around.
You go, hey, we're gonna sign a petition.
They say, sure.
They sign it.
They fill out their information.
I think 200,000 is a lot.
ian crossland
It's a lot of relative votes.
There were only 760,000 tallied and 200 of them were not accepted.
I mean, if you call the United States government, if there's a big election, you get 150 million votes.
tim pool
These aren't votes.
These aren't votes.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
There's a difference between someone going to a polling place being handed a vote with their name on it, filling it out,
and then handing it to a precinct, you know, a captain or whatever that puts it in the box and certifies
it, and someone on the street walking up and saying, signed this. So I can understand that
signatures would get disqualified, but I'm saying we can check this one easily. Decision desk is
jack posobiec
calling it. No, what? How? Yeah. It says right here. How? Why? Decision. Wow. Right here. So why so early?
Okay. Go to decision desk because they're I would love, love, love, love to call it right now. Decision
unidentified
desk is calling it.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, Decision Desk HQ projects Harriet Hageman is the winner of the Republican nomination for Wyoming's at-large U.S.
House Congressional District.
She has defeated Rep Liz Cheney.
Decision made, 927 p.m.
So what's the Thug Life Jack with the extremism symbol?
ian crossland
What's the value of decision?
Is Decision Desk like notoriously accurate or something?
tim pool
Yeah, this is like typically the most accurate, the official source.
Decision Desk comes out and says it and people usually roll with it.
This is the verified Decision Desk saying it right there.
You heard it, ladies and gentlemen.
jack posobiec
Oh yeah, you just went to Rome!
ian crossland
Jack just went to the Vatican.
unidentified
I got a tweet!
tim pool
I got a tweet!
lydia smith
We're tweeting, yeah, let's go!
unidentified
Chaney down!
tim pool
Chaney down!
jack posobiec
God is good!
ian crossland
Whenever I see a picture of her, she looks really upset, really miserable, sad, like she's frowning, looks unhappy.
jack posobiec
Dynasty down!
The end of a dynasty.
ian crossland
Too early to celebrate?
derek harvey
Well, I'm just thinking, we were talking about elections and how long it takes and validating signatures and things like that and we just had a primary here in Maryland and they give, in Maryland, ten days for mail-in ballots to be received and counted.
So we had an election day and they counted the walk-in early voting because you have early voting and those get counted in a batch so you get those results sometime that evening and then they count people who voted in person on that day and you got those late in the day and then you have to wait for the counts of the mail-in ballots which they do two or three days later and then any ballots that come in later they get counted the following week and then provisional ballots Let's just accept that right now.
jack posobiec
Dave Lasserman and Cook Political Reports are confirming, are calling it.
tim pool
That's great.
So, you know, I get it, I get it, but let us have this one minute.
One minute, you know, just to be happy.
With 5% in, why so early?
jack posobiec
They might have been doing some pollings.
derek harvey
Or they might have been doing some polling ahead of time.
Exit polls.
tim pool
And then this, they may have access to data that hasn't been published yet, like the AP reporters get access to stuff.
So they probably have seen data just come in.
And with Casper, the precinct that they already have, they're probably like, yep, that's completely in line with what we have.
There's no possible way Liz Cheney is going to win if she's down 10 right away.
ian crossland
I didn't even know who she was like two years ago.
tim pool
Who was it?
You said Cook Politicals also got it?
jack posobiec
Cook Political Report.
So Dave Wasserman, and he's kind of famous.
I mean, he's kind of a glorified refresher.
If you haven't had Richard Bowers on, you gotta get him on.
ian crossland
He's fantastic.
I love Richard.
tim pool
I can't believe they called it so quickly.
jack posobiec
This guy's a glorified refresher, but he does the whole, like, I've seen enough.
Right, right, right, I've seen enough.
tim pool
So if Decision Desk and Cook Political are saying it, it would be very insane if they reversed that decision later on.
jack posobiec
Yeah, those guys, they're generally pretty conservative with this, actually.
derek harvey
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jack posobiec
And Election Wizard, shout out to Election Wizard.
He called it actually before both of them.
He's known for being a little bit ahead of the grain on this.
tim pool
I'd like to give a round of applause to everybody.
I think Liz Cheney is just so awful.
jack posobiec
Democrats should be cheering this, right?
All the left, Rachel Maddow, everyone who was against the Iraq War.
tim pool
I bet they're all tweeting, like, this is the end of America!
It was funny, there was a tweet from one Democrat guy, and he was like, if Liz Cheney loses her primary, it's the end of the Republican Party.
And it's like, no one believes you care about the Republican Party, I want to save it.
Like, if anything, everyone assumes the opposite of what you say is true.
unidentified
Liz Cheney, you're fired.
Now we got to look to Alaska.
tim pool
Yep.
jack posobiec
Yeah, that'll be, well, they're in totally different time zones, so I think that'll be a while.
ian crossland
Oh, that's today?
jack posobiec
Yeah, so Alaska's today, Kels, Chewbacca.
Now, because Alaska has a runoff, in addition to the rank choice, so they're saying that if neither get 50%, then it goes to the top two to go to a runoff, that'll be Murkowski and Chewbacca, most likely.
ian crossland
I want to see the ranked choice tallies, if possible, from the Alaska thing, because I don't just want to see what the final answer was.
I want to see the process of how it got to whoever is going to win on that, because I'm really fascinated with ranked choice voting.
I think there's a future.
unidentified
It is interesting.
jack posobiec
Oh my gosh, Andrew Kloster.
Liz Cheney just collapsed faster than Kabul.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
I mean it's it's I can't believe they called it right I was like we got five percent we're gonna yeah it's gonna be three days before they call it and it was five minutes okay it was 20 minutes 27 minutes but still all right we're gonna we're gonna go to super chats so if you haven't already would you kindly smash that like button subscribe to this channel share the show with your friends head over to timcast.com and become a member because we're gonna have that members only uncensored show coming up at about 11 p.m.
and now I am going to source Some superchats from people.
And of course, we go by the superchats that started at the beginning of the show.
So there's gonna be a lot of people who at the time of the superchat didn't realize Liz Cheney has lost.
Haha.
Alright.
Jacob Tolbert says, great show tonight.
First Super Chat, does anyone else feel like Order 66 is about to be enacted?
Was that you?
ian crossland
Was that from Star Wars?
tim pool
No.
Order 66 is about to be enacted.
Go see Larry Elder's Uncle Tom 2 showing at the Hollywood Boulevard Cinema in Woodridge, Illinois.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
August 25th.
Oh, very cool.
ian crossland
Sweet.
That's when he's like, do it!
And then all the Jedi turn on each other and start slaying other Jedi.
Is that what it is?
jack posobiec
Well, here's the thing though, because Liz Cheney is now the fourth Republican who voted for Trump's impeachment that has lost.
That is now out of office.
tim pool
I think that's at the end of it.
derek harvey
And how many resign?
jack posobiec
I think four.
tim pool
Two of them won, I'm pretty sure.
We did a report.
jack posobiec
Nancy Mace got in, even though she's a Fed.
She is a Fed, check me out on that.
She definitely lied about that Antifa thing, by the way.
tim pool
One other person won.
jack posobiec
And there's one more, I can't remember who it was.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, nice first Cast Castle vlog.
I knew IRL was scripted.
That's right!
We have the first Cast Castle.
It's episode zero.
It's just the promo introduction.
The goal is to do a weekly 22-minute pseudo-vlog sitcom-style show, and Jack's in it.
jack posobiec
Yeah, so this was a great bit.
It was a harrowing journey for me in the lead up to this, and we're only really catching the end of it.
And I'm using my alarm bell to keep everyone at bay.
Wow, I was able to actually secure the scripts for the next season of Timcast IRL from Mar-a-Lago before the feds were able to get in there.
That's what they were really after.
I was tipped off.
We got them out just before the FBI.
ian crossland
Oh, I didn't know you were in there before.
That's awesome.
jack posobiec
Well, I mean, we didn't reveal it.
ian crossland
You took a lot of wind on the way up here delivering those, too.
tim pool
Yeah, with your little bell on your bike with your little wagon carrying scripts for Timcast IRL.
unidentified
If you want to know what Jack's talking about... There was a warp field involved.
Yeah, that's great.
So you are vibrational energy technology.
tim pool
I'm not going to ruin the joke because we just launched the promo episode.
jack posobiec
People are going to be like, what is he talking about?
tim pool
But if you want to understand what the reference is making, Check out TimCast.com, CastCastle, and we're just going to be engaging in shenanigans.
And then I will mention too, FreedamaStan is probably going to be complete in a couple months.
The framing of the new building is going up and the FreedamaStan channel is going to be action sports and more in that direction.
CastCastle is going to be more silly and fun stuff.
All right, let's see.
The Almighty Truffle says, hey Tim, I got a Pokemon card I'd like to send you that I think you'd get a kick out of.
Is it Timpol?
Kick out of me and the wife were wondering, how can we?
I'm not sure anymore.
We had to stop taking mail because, you know, for obvious reasons.
But there's a Pokemon called Timpol.
ian crossland
T-I-M?
tim pool
I think it's T-Y-M-P-O-L.
lydia smith
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
And it's wearing headphones.
lydia smith
Yeah, and a little beanie thing.
tim pool
And it's got similar colors to our style of colors.
lydia smith
Very cute.
tim pool
Timpol.
Yeah, it's very weird.
ian crossland
That's weird.
tim pool
All right.
jack posobiec
Actually, that reminds me.
Before I go, I don't have it on me right now, but I'll just say it since we're on air, that I got to see President Trump a couple months ago and spent a very brief little time with him.
But on my way there, there was a, and I'm not going to say much, but there was a Secret Service agent who said that he is a Huge fan of Timcast.
tim pool
Oh, sweet.
jack posobiec
And wanted me to give you a secret service sort of like a commemorative pin and a challenge coin.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
jack posobiec
I've got that for you.
Don't let me forget before I leave.
tim pool
Amazing.
I really appreciate it.
Thanks, man.
I don't know the guy's name, but all right.
This is awesome.
jack posobiec
And his wife.
tim pool
And his wife.
jack posobiec
Very cool.
tim pool
The Pippin Viking says, I've never been so excited.
What happened?
jack posobiec
Um, the, the, the, the totals just updated and it's, Is it brutal?
It's I've never I've not actually seen something this brutal before.
tim pool
Let me we can't pull it up right now.
But let me pull up on my phone.
Do you have the numbers?
jack posobiec
You might be look it's it's a she's up by 20.
By 21.
Hagman's up by 21 right now.
tim pool
I want to read this.
So early on in the show, before we got the good news, the title of it is Liz Cheney Defeat Watch Party.
The Pippin Viking says, I've never been so excited for a show title.
Love the show, even if Ian frustrates me sometimes.
Keep up the great work, guys.
ian crossland
Me too, actually.
tim pool
But I've never been so excited for a show title.
Before the show, I was like, there's no big news stories, because the big news story hasn't happened yet.
And then Jack was like, it's the Liz Cheney Watch Party.
jack posobiec
It's got to be.
I mean, it's a thing.
And by the way, I love Ian on the show.
Even when I'm not here, I love Ian because Ian's like the voice of, you know, someone who's just not totally obsessed with politics and news and, you know, just wants to understand.
And I think that you need that on a show.
ian crossland
Like the crucifix you brought, I think of it as a murder tool.
tim pool
The crucifix he brought?
ian crossland
You know, they slaughtered Jesus with it.
tim pool
Jack actually did carry the full crucifix up the hill.
ian crossland
Daily.
jack posobiec
We are going to Israel soon.
It's a rosary.
No, crucifix, that's true.
Well, this is where we, by the way, do you know that's where we get the word excruciating?
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
Excruciating comes from the verb to crucify.
Crucio in Latin.
tim pool
And also the cruciatus curse.
Wow, that's actually fascinating.
I don't think JK Rowling probably realized that.
jack posobiec
Maybe didn't, but it's because the pain of crucifixion was so horrific that they actually needed a totally new word to even describe it.
tim pool
This really changes the context of Harry Potter.
jack posobiec
So you're saying Harry Potter is actually Catholic?
tim pool
No, no, no.
I'm not saying Harry Potter is.
I'm saying the fact that one of the curses is the Cruciatus curse, which uses that prefix, which is rooted in crucifixion, which is, and it's inducing severe pain.
It's almost like, wow, I wonder if all of these lefty Harry Potter fans are gonna be like, no, no, no.
jack posobiec
Sorry.
Sorry, guys.
tim pool
They're feeling the pain and the suffering of the crucifixion.
ian crossland
It'd be like Voldemort was the devil.
jack posobiec
And even if you look up actual, um, Excavations of crucifixions they found, it's every single one that they found that's either been intact or somewhat preserved.
It's victims of crucifixion.
It's almost identical.
It's virtually identical to the Gospels.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
David C. Cronk Sr.
says, I believe Kinzinger was gerrymandered out.
Did you hear that Liz was sending out absentee ballots?
Peter Navarro reported that on War Room.
I don't know about all that.
She lost, so that's all that matters.
unidentified
I think Kinzinger was.
tim pool
Kinzinger was gerrymandered out.
lydia smith
Yeah, he was, yeah.
tim pool
Yep.
And so he just retired.
I mean, you could always choose to run again.
jack posobiec
Yeah, well, she's down by 20 points, so.
unidentified
20 points!
tim pool
I love how they're like, 4% reporting.
I've seen enough.
lydia smith
That's good.
tim pool
Liz Cheney loses.
unidentified
Let's go.
tim pool
XRunner says at least, okay, I'm not, I can't do it.
I can't, I was gonna read it, I can't do it.
He just said, Liz Cheney will use some particular app for thirsty establishment dudes.
Okay.
jack posobiec
Man, I just, after a victory like this, I just don't know how I'm gonna get to sleep tonight.
lydia smith
I don't know.
jack posobiec
I just have no idea unless.
unidentified
Wow.
derek harvey
Did you see the one about, let's just go hunting?
The Cheneys are a great family, just go hunting with them.
unidentified
Oh!
tim pool
Zing.
jack posobiec
County Commissioner Zinger over here.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
All right, let's see what we got.
Let's see.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
AwakeNotWoke says, just want to point out that Ian compared his body odor to PTSD cases.
I don't know what to think.
ian crossland
It was an intense moment.
tim pool
All right.
Matthew Emmons says, why are state troopers in the states with the unaccompanied minors being flown in not arresting the flight crew for human trafficking and seizing the plane under civil asset forfeiture laws?
Good question.
It is a question I would love to hear answered.
jack posobiec
I mean, you and Charlie Kirk has talked about this, that the only meaningful change that you're going to have under this regime is if red state governors actually start enforcing the sheriffs also, by the way, actually start enforcing things like this.
ian crossland
Whoa, what is this?
tim pool
Tech Rue says, in 2016, Liz Cheney committed the unforgivable sin of offering me a Coors Light when her hospitality suite should have been stocked with Wyoming beers.
In 2021, I successfully voted on behalf of my county for her censure.
I think it's funny that you're, like, all these people are like, Liz Cheney has besmirched the good name of the GOP, and she gave me a Coors Light!
lydia smith
That's so rude.
tim pool
And they go, that's why she lost.
lydia smith
Yeah, so is her right.
unidentified
One guy just went around like, she gives Coors Light.
tim pool
What's a good Wyoming beer?
Does anybody know?
I would love to get some.
jack posobiec
I'm 16 years sober.
Wrong guy to ask.
ian crossland
Did you drink heavily before that?
jack posobiec
No.
No, I never did the program or any of that, but I just gave it up.
But shout out to all the friends of Bill out there.
tim pool
Honk goes the dynamite, says, who wants my copy of Dick Cheney's book?
It's signed.
jack posobiec
Really?
Burn it.
ian crossland
Just burn it.
jack posobiec
Wow.
The number keeps going down.
It's now 6135.
Wow.
unidentified
That's why they called it, because they were like, it's going to hurt.
jack posobiec
This is a blow.
She just flew into a political prop turbine.
I mean, this is the kind of blowout where if you didn't, okay, so her constituency now will only exist of, like I said before, it's the Trump true crime crossover of your MSNBC Wine Moms and your Jake Tapper fans and these people who just constantly think, if cable news didn't exist and that whole ecosystem didn't exist, Liz Cheney could not exist past tonight.
tim pool
Wow, it's amazing.
unidentified
Period.
jack posobiec
There's no constituency for this.
tim pool
Dapper McStash says, proud subscriber.
Tim, I haven't heard anyone mention China's housing bubble and alleged imminent marketing collapse due to the Ponzi scheme scandal with companies like Evergrande.
Are you following it?
jack posobiec
Evergrande is the layman of China.
However, this because the CCP already has so much bank ownership.
They already own the banks.
They are the banks that they are able to leverage that and, you know, sort of expand the bubble while minimizing the risk and mitigating the risk as much as they can.
tim pool
I want to dedicate this super chat from Kevin Clark to Ian.
He said, in the members only last night, you said we'd have to start flying the French flag.
I guess you forgot Biden flew it when he pulled out of Afghanistan.
ian crossland
Oh, brutal.
That was a double, a double smack.
tim pool
Yeah, that was a good one.
ian crossland
That was a good one.
tim pool
Bravo.
ian crossland
Being unprepared of the Nazis.
tim pool
Yeah, that was a good one.
What was it, the Maginot Line?
Is that what it was called?
The Maginot Line, yeah, that was the... And they were like, the Germans will never get through this, and they were like, oh, right.
ian crossland
But the Arden Forest, they didn't build the fences through the forest because they thought it was impenetrable, but the Panzer tanks went right through it.
unidentified
Wow, man.
jack posobiec
I just got a text from Richard Barris.
Good!
ian crossland
I love you, Rich!
jack posobiec
He just said, no, no, no, it's even worse.
He just said the result that we're getting in right now...
unidentified
This is just the early votes out of Casper.
jack posobiec
That the election day voting hasn't even come in yet, and that apparently the Casper area has an early vote.
So that's the early stuff we're seeing.
Early votes tend to be Democrat.
ian crossland
Yeah.
jack posobiec
The early vote was going to be good for her.
That's probably what Navarro was referring to about the absentee ballots, was these early votes.
He's saying that the election day vote has yet to even come in.
We could be looking at a 30% blowout.
tim pool
I bet it's going to be worse than that.
It's not a question of a gentleman's bet as to whether she wins or loses, it's is it going to be a 30 point spread or is it going to be 50?
derek harvey
And one of the things I heard on the campaign trail over the last few months is door-to-door meeting people, the Republican voters, I'm going to go in and vote on Election Day.
I'm going to go in and vote.
I'm not going to do early voting.
I'm not going to walk.
I'm not going to do mail-in voting.
Overwhelmingly, they were talking about walking in on Election Day.
And I'm going to be interested in seeing what happens on the Election Day voting in Wyoming, because it's probably going to be very conservative-focused, dedicated Republican voters are going to reject Liz Cheney.
tim pool
Jazan Heitman says Crowder today on his show called out disaffected liberals.
He said, people that say the left left me are lying because the left has always been this far left.
Your thoughts on this, Tim?
Semper Fi.
Incorrect!
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
Incorrect, Crowder.
I mean, look, when Naomi Wolf is coming out, she's been like, what's happening?
This is crazy.
But I'll tell you outright.
During Occupy Wall Street, we had a contingent of black block leftists that we typically would just refer to as Antifa these days.
During Occupy Wall Street, you had a small group of people wearing all black that wanted to go around and throw bottles.
They said, respect the diversity of tactics.
Occupy Wall Street's core organizational body assigned security to me as someone who was like, I had filmed people airing out tires from the police.
I had outright said, I will film you if you engage in violence.
And they said, we respect it.
We believe in free speech.
We're going to make sure these people don't attack you, Tim.
That was 2011.
Now, Andy Ngo gets brutally beaten and they cheer for it.
It used to be very, very different.
jack posobiec
Salman Rushdie.
Salman Rushdie used to be a hero on the left, a hero for freedom of speech, British Indian novelist who wrote the Satanic Verses, and he's brutally stabbed Uh, they're saying he's on a ventilator, he might lose his eye, his arms all cut up.
tim pool
17 times or something, right?
jack posobiec
Insane, right?
I'm actually surprised that we haven't seen, I mean I'm glad, but there's no video of it that seems to have come out or at least it's just the immediate aftermath and you're not seeing any real response.
You know, other than a reporting of it from the left.
ian crossland
Well, Michaela Peterson mentioned that she was afraid that it was like a Muslim extremist and that she's like, this is one thing I don't even want to talk about is like criticize Islam because she's fearing for the reprisal of like religious extremists.
I mean, I'm kind of nervous about the cartels.
jack posobiec
That is what it was.
It was a fatwa that was put out by the Islamic Revolutionary Government of Iran when he wrote this book.
And ever since then, his life has been on the line.
ian crossland
I did not read this book.
This is, what's it called again?
tim pool
The Satanic Verses.
ian crossland
The Satanic Verses.
Is he talking about the Quran?
jack posobiec
No.
I actually looked this up because I wasn't familiar with it.
And again, this is a work of fiction.
It is a work of fiction that he made up.
And he is not calling the Quran a satanic verse.
And that's, you know, I'm not like defending it or anything.
I'm just saying that's not what it is.
It has to do with these false verses that Satan was trying to insert into the Quran.
ian crossland
That never got it in?
It's like a fiction about verses that never made its way in or something?
jack posobiec
Yeah, and then there's a whole story involving how they almost got in and they were taken out, etc.
Interesting.
That's part of the plot.
ian crossland
But the Muslims think like, oh, he's insinuating that part of Satan's evil is in the Quran.
jack posobiec
I mean, I'm not gonna put words in there, Ralph, but they issued a fatwa.
tim pool
All right, well, let's read some more.
jack posobiec
In response to this.
tim pool
Gerald Armstrong says, so Tim had Barron Trump on his show and didn't know it?
lydia smith
We never knew.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, I think Mastriano all the way.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr. says, what I've always thought of as once reliable show,
break points, you mean breaking points, talks negative of MAGA candidates.
Jack, PAOG, what you thinking about the PA governor?
jack posobiec
Oh, I think Mastriano all the way.
I think Mastriano's a fighter.
tim pool
I think Oz is gonna lose.
jack posobiec
Army Colonel.
You know, Oz is, here's my thing for Oz, okay?
And somebody asked me earlier today, they said, Jack, could you and Oz bury the hatchet?
Could you do something to explain, you know, why Oz should win or be, okay, all right.
The problem is, is that he doesn't come across as genuine.
And that's why every time he tweets, there's this this whole cavalcade of people from the right and the left dunking on him.
He called a veggie tray crudités in a recent video.
And so Federman is out there, you know, campaigning off or fundraising off of let them eat crudités.
And so I thought a funny video of this could be, you know, hey, maybe it's me and Oz and we're going to get lunch or something and you do the video and he's got to, you know, just kind of lean into it a little bit and say, okay, so, you know, just, just, you know, around here, we call it a hoagie.
All right.
This is a hoagie.
It's not a, why, what do you mean, Jack?
Isn't this up?
No, no, no, no, man.
Around here, we call it hoagie.
Why do y'all call it that?
Let me stop you right there.
You don't say y'all, you say use.
Use guys call it a hoagie.
That's what we say in Philly is use, but then you got to Pittsburgh and they say yinz yinz Why do they say that because that's what they say.
What about central PA central PA?
You call them whatever they want and then at the very end you got us, you know, and then he says something like Of course working that's like I work on my tin pool scripts That, you know, he would say, you know, he'd say, well, what do I got to do?
What do I got to do?
And I said, well, well, well, you know, just to be fair, a lot of people have a problem with the fact they say you're not from PA and you got to overcome that.
Not from PA.
What do you say?
And then he's sitting there and maybe he's, he's, he, he chews a bite of the hoagie or a cheesesteak.
Or if you want to get like, actually I would say, okay, I would, don't do the cheesesteak thing.
Cause everybody assumes you're going to do a cheesesteak.
Don't do that.
And then say something, you know what?
It's true.
I'm not from here.
I wasn't born here.
I didn't grow up here.
But, and this is the key part, then you say, but, but I met a girl from here and I fell in love with her.
And then I fell in love with the state.
tim pool
So he said Wegners?
jack posobiec
So it's Redners is the real one, and then he said Wegners.
tim pool
But there's a Wengers.
It's, well, no, it's a Wegmens that he's- No, no, no, there is a Weg- There's a grocery store in PA.
unidentified
It's probably a single grocery store called- Wait, the sign's on the wall in the video.
tim pool
And it says Wegmans?
jack posobiec
Yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
And, and this, by the way, this video, and it's from April, it's not recent, but you know, it's, it's, it's not a video that, it's not live.
It's not a live video.
I mean, you could have, whoever was staffing in that day, I'm sorry, you got to fire them.
Um, just delete that and do another take and then you have to come across as genuine.
That's the key.
tim pool
And not only that, when he goes, this is Joe Biden's fault and it ends, it's like, bro, you got to talk to me.
You can't just be like, look how expensive these vegetables are at this.
jack posobiec
This isn't Oprah.
This isn't, you know, those old shows you have to, you have to break the fourth wall and you have to actually show a meaningful connection with the audience.
And I'm not saying that'll work, But I'm saying that if you want to move in the right direction, you have to do that.
And by the way, maybe go look at Doug Mastriano because he's a guy that nobody said could win and then cleaned up in the governor's primary.
tim pool
David Toronto says, Tim calling 38 grand a year nothing is amazing.
I could live off that.
My vehicle and house are paid for though.
Where I live is decently cheap too.
I'm not saying 38 grand a year is nothing.
I'm saying to manage a budget of $800 million in exchange for that amount of money is like It's brutal.
It's brutal.
It's a lot of responsibility.
But $38K is also low relative to the national median anyway.
And I think the average middle class income.
But yeah, I know a lot of people make less than that.
It's good money depending on your job.
It's just, man, I couldn't imagine being put in charge of such responsibility.
ian crossland
You'd have to resist.
tim pool
You'd have to really want that job.
unidentified
$64.31.
jack posobiec
Resist the urge of acting.
unidentified
$64.31. $64.31.
ian crossland
Like you gotta resist acting like it's your money.
Because like if you're doing someone else's, if someone else is doing your finances, it's their finances.
If you're not overseeing it.
So like that's a big responsibility.
jack posobiec
This is why in Singapore that Lee Kuan Yew said that, you know, so public servants in Singapore actually make, they make fair market value.
And the idea is that he wanted to compete with your top level Financial jobs or what today would be like a tech job.
So he wanted to compete with that.
So he actually pays them enormous salaries because he wants top talent.
tim pool
Is it just me or does it smell like pizza?
lydia smith
It does smell like pizza.
ian crossland
Yeah, somebody cooking.
tim pool
Somebody's making pizza or something.
I know, I've been saying it all the time.
derek harvey
Making me hungry.
tim pool
Giordano's.
ian crossland
25 minutes, yeah.
derek harvey
By the way, where's the food?
Where's the food?
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
ian crossland
We should have a tray of crudettes.
jack posobiec
Where's the crudette?
Where's the crudette?
tim pool
We should have better prepared for the celebration.
jack posobiec
We really should have.
tim pool
Vinry Saltori says, nothing to say.
Love the show.
Keep up the outstanding work.
Big super chat.
Really appreciate it.
All right.
I'm going to read it because it deserves to be read.
Chaser says, Liz Cheney losing has left me speechless.
Speechless.
unidentified
Controlling words.
tim pool
Controlling minds.
It's amazing how that meme is going to keep getting book sales for Michael Knowles forever.
jack posobiec
God bless him.
I'm never going to get tired of that.
But if I do get tired, I'll need the best night's sleep of the whole wide world with my pillow.com promo code.
tim pool
Ghost Crusader says, 50 bucks says Liz Cheney becomes the new female Republican talking head on The View.
unidentified
Yes.
lydia smith
That makes sense.
tim pool
I actually think the best thing you did was writing buy pillow on the notepad and putting it behind you.
jack posobiec
That was one of my favorite ones.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Buy pillow.
Just buy the pillow and the horror will end.
unidentified
Just buy the pillow, okay guys?
jack posobiec
Just buy the pillow.
derek harvey
It's a great pillow.
jack posobiec
It's not that hard.
This is the guy that started it, by the way.
ian crossland
How did you get involved?
How did you touch your first pillow?
He had no idea.
tim pool
Alright, alright.
ian crossland
I could go into the story, but... Maybe on the after show.
derek harvey
Yeah, after the show.
jack posobiec
After the show.
unidentified
65-31.
jack posobiec
Oh my gosh.
lydia smith
34 points.
jack posobiec
This is painful.
unidentified
34?
tim pool
That's gonna be amazing.
jack posobiec
We'll track it in the after show, too.
derek harvey
Closer than I thought it was gonna be.
tim pool
Closer, right?
jack posobiec
Who's the 31?
Yeah, seriously.
Who are these 31?
tim pool
Those are the crossover Democrats.
jack posobiec
Yeah, those are the crossover Democrats.
tim pool
Amazing.
All right, JG says, um, Hey everyone, I love the show.
Tim, do you think civil war will prevent hot conflict with China?
Or can war with China be another unifying event, creating a common enemy like 9-11?
I don't really know, man.
I don't, I don't, I don't know, to be honest.
Um, I think if there is a global conflict, the US will probably just split.
jack posobiec
War with China is not a good idea.
We don't want that.
tim pool
No, no, we don't want civil war either.
But a lot of people thought that COVID would unite the country.
Yeah, no way!
ian crossland
Well, it made everybody crazy, so we have that in common.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, if you haven't already, would you kindly smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share this show with your friends.
Big news, so what we're doing with Cast Castle, which is the first episode went up, we got Jack Posobiec in it, I believe we may have some other special guests in it.
We are going to be putting together like a weekly vlog but it's semi-fictional vlog so it's like there's gonna be real behind-the-scenes stuff obviously but the idea is just to make like a funny silly vlog with skits like we were doing back when Seamus was here and then we're trying to ramp it up.
It used to be daily but that's an impossible schedule and it was just we ran out of money to operate it so we tried to switch the model but the first episode is up at timcast.com and you can check that show out for members.
It's a tour of the house, an introduction to all the people who work here
and the things they do with a bunch of jokes.
Jack, if you want to understand the bit that he was talking about with his wagon
and coming up here from Mar-a-Lago...
jack posobiec
I will not explain.
tim pool
Not explain.
But we're going to actually use the YouTube channel.
We're going to put skits on the YouTube channel as a way to just do fun gags with a lot of our guests.
We filmed something really awesome with Marjorie Taylor Greene, which I'm really excited for.
Check that out at TimCast.com and check out the, we're going to have the Uncensored show coming up for you at 11.
Smash the like button, subscribe to the channel.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me at TimCast.
Jack, do you want to shout anything out?
jack posobiec
Yeah, we still got the Human Events Daily show now on Real America's Voice every night 10 p.m.
So we fill that gap, by the way, between when this show ends and the Uncensored show starts.
So when you're not watching this, you go over, you watch Human Events Daily on Real America's Voice, you check that out.
We are powered by Turning Point USA.
Turning Point USA just announced, by the way, that the AmericaFest tickets are on sale, Phoenix, Arizona, this December.
I can't talk to Where is that going to be?
Jack and I are having a conversation.
and immersive experiences that will go on there.
But if you go to tpsa.com, you check it out.
derek harvey
So I should say that.
jack posobiec
Where is that gonna be?
derek harvey
Say whatever you want.
And where is that?
tim pool
Jack and I are having a conversation.
derek harvey
Oh.
jack posobiec
I'll leave it at that.
tim pool
This may be a really awesome.
jack posobiec
Tim may be on the short list.
tim pool
Well, we'll see if we can figure something out.
I don't want to say too much because I don't like hyping things up before we've gone through any of the stuff, like, to take care of.
But we've got a plan for an epic.
unidentified
Oh yeah, what was the... Where is it exactly?
ian crossland
Where is the event?
jack posobiec
Phoenix.
So it's Phoenix and it's going to be the week before Christmas.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
derek harvey
Sounds like a great vacation.
jack posobiec
And we're expecting, um, last year we had, I think we had 12,000 last year, this year we're looking at 15.
ian crossland
Wow.
Yeah.
tim pool
All at once, sitting in that one room?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh man, this is gonna be awesome.
jack posobiec
No, not just sitting, they're gonna be partying.
ian crossland
Partying!
tim pool
Sounds good to me.
ian crossland
Swinging from the ceiling.
jack posobiec
Swinging from the ceiling, yeah, they do.
tim pool
It's a good time to be out there too, in Phoenix.
jack posobiec
If you're gonna be in Phoenix, you might as well go in December.
tim pool
You want to shout anything out, Derek?
derek harvey
No, I was thinking I went to Arizona State University.
I like the state and it'd be a good getaway for me and my wife.
jack posobiec
Let's do it.
derek harvey
Week before Christmas.
ian crossland
I'm into it.
I love the sound of it.
Hey guys, great to see you both, always.
Did you want your social media?
You said people could follow you on Truth Social?
derek harvey
Derek Harvey on Truth Social or VoteDerekHarvey.com.
ian crossland
And you can follow me at IanCrossland.net.
Get through to my social medias from there.
Much love.
I will see you later.
lydia smith
Thank you guys all very much for tuning in with us as we celebrate the downfall of anti-Trumpism, at least the beginning of it, hopefully the start of a red wave.
You guys can follow me on Twitter and Mines.com, at SourPatchLids, as well as SourPatchLids.me.
tim pool
This is just the beginning.
The midterms are coming.
It's just August, and we're already getting the big good news.
We've gotten a bunch of great news throughout the primaries.
Trump's record on endorsements is very well, despite sometimes it being Dr. Oz.
But I'm really excited for November, so it should be fun.
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