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June 13, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Jake Paul ROASTS Biden As Market TANKS w/Bill Ottman & Jamie Kilstein
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tim pool
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I'm just like wow If that is not an excellent barometer for where regular people are at, because I'm not saying this to disrespect Jake Paul or anything like that, but he's not a political guy.
So when he's sitting there going like, everything's bad and it's Biden's fault and if you voted for him, it's your fault too, I'm like, oof.
Tell me how you really think you take a look at the aggregate polling for Biden.
It's at what, like 38 percent?
Just miserably low.
And if you are in the crypto markets, my friend, you're feeling it, too.
So we got we got to it's actually a lot of news today.
I just want to let everybody know, you want to know how you know you're old?
You don't get hurt exercising.
So, you know, we got Jamie Kilstein here and he was like, how'd you get hurt?
Were you like doing a flip or something?
And I was like, bro, I was sleeping.
Hell yeah.
I went to sleep and I woke up and I couldn't move.
ian crossland
Incapacitated.
tim pool
Incapacitated.
So fortunately though we got a plethora of people here so I'm gonna just like try and make this work.
I didn't do my morning show.
I could not, I literally could not get out of bed.
So I got one of those fancy icy hot things.
You stick it in and then I took one of those fancy you know over-the-counter pain medications and I'm in excruciating pain right now.
ian crossland
We gotta get an inversion table in here.
tim pool
We have one downstairs.
luke rudkowski
We have one.
I use it every single day.
At least like five times a day to avoid the problems that Tim has, because I have the same problem.
ian crossland
Oh, so it's working?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
tim pool
The cool thing is, like, I got the whoop, right?
And you look at my heart rate.
lydia smith
It's like you're dying.
tim pool
Throughout the night.
And my heart rate's really good.
It's like 48.
And then right around 4 a.m.
it jumps to like 100.
unidentified
It's like, call 911.
tim pool
And that's when I woke up like...
I couldn't move.
Actually, this happened on Sunday and then it just got, it's like, it's a little bit better and I think I'll be better tomorrow.
ian crossland
I've been sleeping without a pillow.
That's groundbreakingly awesome.
Flattening out my back.
tim pool
I gotta try it.
ian crossland
I'll have a pillow and then halfway through the night I'll take it off and throw it on the ground and just flatten it out.
bill ottman
You gotta discipline yourself to stay on your back though.
ian crossland
Yeah.
bill ottman
Yeah.
Not roll to the stomach.
tim pool
So we got we got a bunch of news, man.
We're going to talk about it.
So we got people hanging out.
We got Bill Ottman in the house.
bill ottman
What's up, guys?
Psyched to be here.
tim pool
Who are you?
bill ottman
I'm Bill.
I'm co-founder of Mines.
Check me out.
Mines dot com slash Ottman.
tim pool
You got a thing going on.
bill ottman
We got a thing going on.
Festival dot Mines dot com.
People.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
bill ottman
Beacon Theater.
June 25th.
New York City.
I know people aren't happy about New York City.
We had the deposit down before the pandemic, so Beacon Theatre is a cool venue.
unidentified
That's on my bucket list of places I want to play.
bill ottman
The Allman Brothers, yeah.
unidentified
It's legendary.
bill ottman
So we got Cornel West, Coleman Hughes, Blair White, Tim, James, Tulsi, James O'Keefe, Tulsi Gabbard, Ben Burgess, Zuby, Seth Dillon, Babylon B, Ian, Hopefully these two guys will come.
I think they're gonna.
So, guys, come out.
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There's also a free ticket request.
We know some people are strapped.
The economy is screwed.
Make a request if money is an issue.
We want to get everybody in.
tim pool
But be careful, because if you're strapped in the other way, New York won't let you in.
unidentified
Which is weird.
Hey everybody last time now, I'm now I listen to the show more I remember last time when you're like, what do you do instead of promoting my shit?
tim pool
I was like a long time ago.
unidentified
I was canceled.
You're fine with the other kind.
tim pool
We got Jamie Kilstein.
unidentified
Hey everybody, last time, now I listen to the show more.
I remember last time when you were like, what do you do instead of promoting my shit?
I was like, well a long time ago I was cancelled and things took a dark turn, but now I'm ready.
I wrote stuff down.
I'm Jamie Kilstein.
I'm a stand-up comedian.
I'm headlining House of Comedy, Plano, Dallas area next week, the 16th, 18th, and 19th.
I co-host a podcast, or I host a podcast called A Fuck-Up's Guide to the Universe.
We've had everyone from John Cleese to Nicole Aniston, the porn star, when I had a breakup, and she nurtured me back to health.
Also, if you don't like tribalized bullshit, I have a Patreon, patreon.com slash jamiekilstein.
And I'm on Twitter at jamiekilstein, Instagram at thejamiekilstein.
tim pool
And he cusses like a saint.
unidentified
Did I do it already?
luke rudkowski
Are you sure you watched the show?
Because it's a family friendly show, James.
unidentified
Are you trying to get canceled?
By the way, I was like, don't get canceled this time.
And I looked in front of me and I'm like, are these bullet casings that say, let's go Brandon?
luke rudkowski
Hey guys, my name is Lukardowski of WeAreChange.org and I think we're just very not that far away from 1984 doses to slow the spread.
You can do your part by going to TheBestPoliticalShirts.com and spreading this very important message to the Kyles and Karens out there.
TheBestPoliticalShirts.com.
Because you go there, I'm here.
Thank you guys so much for having me.
This should be a very wonderful, amazing, interesting conversation.
Ian?
unidentified
Yes!
ian crossland
Oh, pretty good, Luke, actually.
Thanks for asking, man.
I think I've got to do an inversion table myself.
Normally, what I do is I get up, I have some coffee, I, like, look on the internet.
I do tech.
I'm a social media entrepreneur.
You can follow me at IanCrossland.net.
I've been doing internet video blogs since the beginning, 2006, making it popular.
Communicating across the void, because why not?
It's a form of time travel.
lydia smith
And I am also here.
You cannot avoid me if you're watching a show.
I will be pushing buttons in the corner, and I was messing with this camera earlier so I could put it over on Tim and the papasan, but he decided to sit up in the chair.
tim pool
I wasn't really going to sit in the papasan.
luke rudkowski
It would have worked.
lydia smith
Who didn't move it over?
tim pool
I was, like, slumped over.
Yeah, he was dying.
lydia smith
Gently dying.
It was really, really exciting.
But I am also here.
I'm really excited for the show.
Love, Jamie and Bill.
tim pool
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I am going, we're gonna have one tonight.
You know, because I'm in such, like, in all seriousness, I am seriously hurting really bad.
But, you know, I just, I absolutely hate not working.
And so, like, the pain of not doing the show is more than the pain in my body.
And I was like, we're gonna do it.
So we'll have it.
It'll be a lot of fun.
Considering we have such funny people here, I thought it would be a shame if we did not get something out.
So that'll be up tonight.
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Let's jump into this first story.
I absolutely love the way that Fox News has framed this story.
Boxer Jake Paul blasts Biden for gas prices inflation, claims Biden voters are the American problem.
I mean, in all honesty, that's a brutal statement.
He said Biden accomplishments, highest gas prices, worst inflation, plummeting crypto prices.
That one made me laugh.
Highest rent prices ever created new incomprehensible language.
Bravo, Jake Paul.
That was amazing.
unidentified
I don't think he's like a big conservative dude.
Like he goes after Dana White from the UFC, the way he treats fighters.
And I think it's talked about like unionizing.
I saw him do like a either him or his brother Logan did like a Black Lives Matter thing for Yeah, he's not like a super, like, right-wing dude.
tim pool
He says, if you're reading this and voted for Biden and you still don't regret it, then you are the American problem.
So seeing that, and you hit the nail on the head, he's not like a conservative guy.
I think we've already seen it with people like Elon Musk.
People who are not conservative are being like, hey, you know, I'm kind of reading the writing on the wall and I can see how bad this is.
We had a friend of mine out recently who was like, you know, fairly liberal.
He was just like, man, I don't know.
I kind of regret this.
Things are getting really bad.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, but just, uh, just an honorable mention real quick for them calling him a boxer.
And this is the thing.
luke rudkowski
Five and 0.
And this is another thing, people who are not into politics are being forced into politics
because of the way of how extraordinary this great reset is going in a way where it's just
Everything now is politics, and it's slowly becoming that with every political cycle, but I think now it's becoming more unavoidable than ever.
bill ottman
If you don't take an interest in politics, politics will take an interest in you.
unidentified
Absolutely.
A Plato quote, I think.
bill ottman
Pericles.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
It's been around since the Greeks.
unidentified
Oh, I thought it was a Jake Paul quote.
The thing about tribalism, too, is I was thinking about this with the like the drag shows last week, watching some of my friends on the left almost feel like they had to defend it just because like that's what the left does.
And I think with tribalism in general, it should be so easy.
Like what Jake Paul is doing should be the norm.
Right.
Like I remember when I was against Drone strikes under Bush and then Obama who I liked and voted for when he was doing it too.
I was like, well, this is still bad.
It's not like, well, it's a cooler drone because it's Obama.
It's still, you know, so even if you vote for, if you voted for Biden or if you're a Democrat, you should actually be the most outraged when something goes wrong and feel free to call it out.
Not feel like, oh man, I guess I have to defend Biden.
It's like, no, you don't do not.
If you don't want Exactly.
tim pool
We've been so much better, man.
But also this is an opportunity for progressives to be like, we told you not to do Biden.
We told you to do Bernie.
ian crossland
That is all for sure.
tim pool
I mean, I'm not saying Bernie, I think Bernie would have done better for sure.
ian crossland
His mind was there at least.
tim pool
Exactly.
I don't know how much better.
I think things are going really well under Trump.
I think Bernie kind of sold out quite a bit.
I was watching that Lindsey Graham-Bernie thing a little bit.
But I feel like a box of rocks would be better than Biden at this point.
unidentified
The Biden was the last thing I think a lot of liberals wanted.
And then they doubled down like it was the greatest thing ever.
ian crossland
That was a tough one to watch.
The whole, I can't stand that guy so I'm voting for anything else.
I hope that that never happens again.
Because it was televised and it's been recorded now.
At least we know what happens.
tim pool
It happens every four years.
ian crossland
Does it?
Yeah.
tim pool
Hillary Clinton?
ian crossland
Yeah, that 2016 election was another version of that, I think.
tim pool
But people liked Trump, man.
You know, for a lot of people, the more bombastic he was, the more they liked him because he was pushing back on this machine, you know?
unidentified
I'm glad I finally just get to admit publicly that he was hilarious.
I wouldn't vote for him, but man, oh man, was that guy funny.
tim pool
And that was the craziest thing to me.
I remember it was like 2017 and 18.
I'm just laughing nonstop at this guy.
And I'm like, people were so angry.
And I'm like, he's funny.
unidentified
The funniest thing when he, uh, this one was so simple, but it's the one that popped me the hardest is during the democratic debate.
He literally just tweeted boring.
I was like, hell yeah, dog.
That rules.
That's the political commentary I am here for.
tim pool
That's the reality.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
And then I guess people just didn't like the mean tweets.
And so they're much, you know what's really funny?
Actually, I'll put it this way.
There's a viral meme going around called Donald Trump predicted everything that's happening.
Have you guys seen it?
No.
It's literally just like one Trump rally where Trump is like, he's going to shut down your
oil and gas industry.
unidentified
Oh no.
tim pool
It's true.
There's going to be a wave of immigrants coming across the border.
And I'm like, oh, check, check, check, check.
You know, and this got me thinking to the craziest thing about it.
Do you guys remember Joe Biden said he was going to transition off gas?
unidentified
He was.
ian crossland
In the debate.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
He's outright.
And so when I say, you know, I said this last week, when you're looking at your gas prices, if you're an environmentalist, anti-climate change person, your your only option is to be like to is to accept the problem.
Because Joe Biden said he wanted to fight climate change.
Joe Biden said he wanted to get off fossil fuels.
That's what he's trying to do.
Here we go.
unidentified
Okay, so that was actually my question, because I remember the people liked me last time I was on the show because I asked questions instead of just yelling at a talking point.
So I legitimately don't know the answer to this.
This is going to sound like it's a rhetorical, well, what do the conservatives want to do?
But what do the conservatives want to do?
Like, is there a solution that... because everyone's furious, right?
But what are people saying?
Like, what would Biden have to do?
What are people asking him to do that would actually make the prices go down?
tim pool
Let me take the non-conservative approach right away and just talk the rational approaches.
We need to start building nuclear power plants, ASAP.
The Green New Deal needs to actually be about green energy.
So this is like, I'll mention the conservative stuff in a second, but if the Green New Deal was like, we will invest X amount of dollars into wind turbines in these areas, we will open up these areas for geothermal, or then I'd be like, wow, looks like we got a plan.
unidentified
That all sounds progressive and wonderful.
tim pool
But that's not what's in it.
What's in it is like free health care for marginalized people and like college and stuff like that.
And it was a resolution that never actually proposed any of this stuff in the first place.
Right away, I'm just like, OK, well, the progressive solution should be draft me, draft an actual bill addressing the expansion of green energy.
I suppose what they'll do is they'll say the Build Back Better bill.
And I'm going to be like, but that was just so much.
That's five trillion dollars of random other things.
So I will say right off the bat, we got to get off, get over the stigma of nuclear power.
The conservatives are outright just saying, give the permits back for oil and gas leases because they shut some down in the Gulf, in Alaska and on federal lands.
Some of these were due to court rulings, challenges by environmentalists, not because Biden was doing it.
Oops.
Biden ultimately pulled them because of losing court court cases.
What is it? Keystone pipeline.
Turn it back on. That'll alleviate some of the speculative, speculative pressures.
unidentified
Oh, no. I remember protesting that.
tim pool
Right. Exactly. Well, so this one.
unidentified
Oops. Sorry. Thanks, Jamie.
luke rudkowski
It's a little more. Thanks for shutting it down.
unidentified
Yeah, my bullet casings will go elsewhere.
tim pool
Conservatives want a removal of certain regulations that make it harder for oil and gas exploration.
So, you know, we talk about why aren't we seeing more oil companies going to certain areas and trying to start developing more oils?
Because it's difficult.
Because there's government regulations.
So the cost-benefit analysis is we shouldn't invest the money here because it's not going to pay out in the long run.
It is complicated, to be completely honest.
Saudi Arabia plays a big role because they're either overproducing or underproducing, which changes things.
The war with Ukraine and Russia absolutely plays a big role.
But to put it simply, oil exploration alleviates some of the tensions on regulations, allow these leases back on federal lands.
If it were Donald Trump as president, he would convene the CEOs of all these companies immediately.
He would say, tell me what you need to get the prices down, and then have a plan.
luke rudkowski
Or just very simply, undo everything that the Biden administration has done, because everything they have done is standing in the way of businessmen, is standing in the way of people being able to fix this problem with, of course, regulations, taxes, and big government bureaucrats who want their cut of the middle, and are standing in the way of actual things that could help the people, that could help the environment, But but we're not focusing on any.
unidentified
So that was my follow up question is, you know, as a table of people who I think are as suspect of corporations as we are, the government is by loosening those regulations and giving more control to the corporations.
Do we trust them to do the right things like the oil and gas?
ian crossland
No, their profit.
unidentified
Right.
So that's the problem there too, right?
ian crossland
I'd like to see like a focus on biodiesel and teaching people how to make biodiesel that's legitimate, like pure and clean that we can regulate and use.
But relying on corporations to do it, they're going to have profit motive as they're told.
bill ottman
Yeah, but let's get back to nuclear a little bit, because like there's a big misperception about modern nuclear versus like old school nuclear, which is super nasty.
Like this is actually one of the few things I don't know if you've seen the Bill Gates documentary on Netflix.
One of the few things that Bill Gates is actually invested in, which is actually kind of interesting.
unidentified
This guy's defending Bill Gates over here.
I'm going to slide by Bill Gates every day.
bill ottman
He's an Epstein freak show.
But his nuclear power plants are actually really interesting because the waste is extremely minimal.
I think they're actually powered by waste.
And the risk of meltdown is just vastly less.
So like Trump was not talking about nuclear, like no one's talking about.
They're afraid to talk about nuclear, even though the technology has has evolved so much.
unidentified
I heard Michael Schellenberger, who's running against me.
bill ottman
I just lost.
unidentified
Yeah, he's he's he was the only guy I've heard.
I was talking about it where I was like, oh, this makes sense.
It was the first time I heard it.
bill ottman
Yeah, he's super smart.
ian crossland
You can also fusion is another kind of nuclear.
So you got fission, you got fusion, completely different processes.
They're both called nuclear because it's ignorance.
Basically, fusion is completely I mean, once you give if if you can ignite fusion and get
it going. It basically gives you an unlimited fuel supply.
I think that's.
That scares people in power.
luke rudkowski
Jamie, I want to push back on your point here just a little bit, especially when it comes to the public-private sector debate, especially when it comes to the larger topic that we're discussing here, the Biden administration, because what we essentially have here is the government, the Biden administration, picking and choosing what corporations are going to prosper, which ones are not.
So when you look at the Green New Deal, when you look at all the proposals that he's pushing, it's directly going to benefit countries that he has business dealings with, with his son, like China.
Especially when they are the ones getting the raw minerals to get the solar panels, to get the batteries.
So when you look at, you know, any kind of corporation, the most powerful ones, the most unaccountable ones, are the ones that have friends in Washington, D.C.
And my argument that you kind of countered back on and asked the question on, you know, do we trust these corporations?
No, obviously, but it's because of the government intervening and directly playing a key role in which corporation does well and which corporation does not well.
tim pool
I agree that last part, I don't trust the corporations either way.
luke rudkowski
I don't trust anybody.
tim pool
But that last part is spot on.
luke rudkowski
But when it comes to the free market and allowing individuals to choose what they want, giving them choice, giving them decentralization rather than the monopoly of force, government coming in and saying you can only buy from this corporation, you can only buy solar, is the problem because it leads to more problems, it leads to the government abusing their power.
tim pool
Let me point out too that There was a chart I was looking at last week that shows the Trump administration's last year, which showed inflation and wages were stable.
And then a month after, or like a couple weeks after Biden is inaugurated, it inverts.
Wages collapse.
Inflation skyrockets.
It's been a year and a half, but it's still on track going the exact same direction.
So certainly by now, Biden could have done something.
So I think the issue with gas prices too, it's not just about the direct regulations and policies on gas.
I know a lot of people immediately say like, what has Biden done directly to affect gas prices?
You can also come out and just be like the unemployment benefits expansion, which I understand had good intentions, but then you're flooding the market with the mass release of currency, which is going to devalue the currency.
So even if Biden didn't do anything on these other issues, Keystone was big because that caused massive speculation.
If he did nothing other than the economic policy, which resulted in inflation, gas will go up along with it because you've got to pay truckers.
One of the things about Keystone, That's so brutal.
How do we get oil shipped if we're not doing it by pipeline?
Freighters?
Trucks?
That's even worse.
It takes fuel to transport.
You put it in a big pipe, there's fears about leaks.
Totally get it.
I think the big issue is, it's fair to say, we're addicted to oil.
And I don't mean that to be a dick, but I mean, we built a civilization off of fossil fuels.
Fossil fuels are incredible.
The energy return on energy invested is absolutely amazing.
And so we were able to literally create human life.
When we build these machines that can harvest a field faster and better, then all of a sudden people are fat and happy.
They're fed.
They're gonna have babies.
They're gonna have tons of babies.
But you're gonna need that resource to maintain that level of life as well.
ian crossland
It freed the slaves.
You brought this up a while ago.
It was the steam-powered engine in the Industrial Revolution in the 1800s that basically gave... I mean, it was the cotton gin is the big part of it, but...
It opens up the fossil fuels have opened us up to no longer be slaves to labor in a lot of ways.
bill ottman
Yep. But now to what you were saying, Luke, about Biden picking favorites. I mean,
he won't even mention Elon Musk with regards to electric cars or solar. It's like, talk about.
Talk about the players in the industry. Yeah Elon has a low ESG score
luke rudkowski
He has a renewable energy car company that's a pioneer in its field and again lots of critical things I could say
about Elon But in that particular field all the green people or the
peaceniks should be all happy and good You tweeted a meme with him pool dog
Exactly, exactly. So he tweets interesting things now and he's the main person that pushes the kind of narrative,
pushes the conversation, and that's why he's the one that's being attacked.
unidentified
Which, if you want to strike back against tribalism, that is the moment where you go, you know what, I don't agree
with Elon Musk, but he's trying to do something to help us with our energy addiction.
I want to do it.
Let's come together and get people from all sides to do this thing that shouldn't be political.
bill ottman
It's okay to agree with someone on a single topic.
You're not endorsing their entire life.
ian crossland
You know, regarding this mass printing of money, I've kind of had a moment of clarity.
They're basing it on what's called modern monetary theory, invented shortly after World War II, I think, thereabouts.
And the idea is you print as much as you need to To stimulate and to build your infrastructure so that you can produce things.
But what's happening now is they're using that idea, we're going to print as much as we need so that, fill in the blank, they're just giving it away to people's bank accounts.
They're not building the infrastructure that modern monetary theory needs.
luke rudkowski
Those special private interests, their buddies in the upper echelons in the establishment are getting secret Federal Reserve bailouts and they're getting money that of course makes sure that they never lose money.
This is when they make money their profits are theirs, but when they they lose money
They have losses the Federal Reserve literally steps in it's like yeah, we'll cover that for you. Don't worry about that
ian crossland
Yeah, that's not a free market. No, and it's not modern monetary theory
They're calling it that but it's an aberration of that system in there. It's basically just liquidation of the US
luke rudkowski
economy.
No, no, no, no.
It's the modern largest transfer of wealth in recorded human history that's happening right in front of our eyes.
It started in 2008 during the housing market crisis.
Ben Bernanke was literally orchestrating secret international bailouts of financial institutions all around the world with the power of the Federal Reserve that literally just went on the computer and just typed in zero, zero, zero, zero.
Here you go.
Here's the money.
Meanwhile, you have to work for it.
You have to slay for it.
You have to work a nine-to-five job for it.
The bankers created a system.
Zero, zero, zero, zero, mine.
Good luck, peasant slave.
We're going to devalue the dollar.
Good luck paying for food this week or this month, whatever the hell it is.
People are getting screwed over royally.
And this is why Jake Paul saying this is so important right now, because it brings this point to a reality that a lot of people can't ignore.
tim pool
It's not just that.
It's a barometer.
Jake Paul coming out and saying it, how many more people do you think are thinking the exact same thing who are not political people?
So it's like that joke I think it was from Simpsons or Family Guy where they're like, we received 7 complaints last night, that means 80 billion people were upset.
Simpsons, that's what it was?
Yeah.
bill ottman
it's like ignoring you know if you're sick and you ignore your sickness it's
like looking at Biden and how he literally cannot communicate and and
people are just afraid to confront that illness that like our society has if I
unidentified
go to the doctor they'll tell me that I'm sick and I don't want to think I'm
luke rudkowski
sick right well that's on purpose though that I I think that is made to be a distraction for the larger agenda that he is pushing, that is directly benefiting the people who are on the ship, robbing and looting everything for themselves as the ship is sinking.
The ship is the United States.
It's going down.
And there's a lot of criminals out there that are taking everything they can for themselves.
ian crossland
They're not criminals because they don't adhere to government law because they're multinational.
They don't have a country that they have to play by the rules of.
It's got the Bank for International Settlements in Switzerland that they're running money through and they're just siphoning our wealth.
It's insane.
tim pool
Let's pull up this story and then we'll keep going on that idea.
So we have this from the Wall Street Journal.
S&P 500 enters bear market as Dow and Nasdaq fall.
unidentified
Guys, I don't have a savings account.
I don't know what any of those words mean.
You're screwed.
tim pool
It means bad And I will also point out that one of the reasons Jake Paul
slammed Joe Biden I think the main reason was right there in the middle his
crypto portfolio probably tanked and he was like so a lot of people bought into crypto and
You know, I think it was fantastic I'm not selling.
But everything is taking a major hit.
And crypto took a bad hit.
And it's been getting beaten up pretty bad.
Even Bitcoin's getting beaten up.
But this is the market.
This is the ship sinking.
You look at the graph of inflation.
I mean, it's 8.2, it's 8.4, it's 8.6.
Worse than it's ever been since World War II.
Consumer prices are skyrocketing.
Yo, hope you guys are ready for August.
But, you know, I'll say this.
While the regular people are suffering under this, big, massive financial institutions are getting free cash from the Federal Reserve, and to the tune of how much, we don't even know.
luke rudkowski
Trillions.
tim pool
Trillions of dollars.
luke rudkowski
Probably.
ian crossland
It's off the books.
tim pool
Off the books.
They're buying up property, some of these big firms.
They're buying houses of people.
They're offering 30% premiums because the money doesn't matter.
The number amount doesn't matter.
What matters is they get the land from you.
ian crossland
Dude, this is what has been bothering me.
If my crypto value goes down 90%, but they get all the funny money from the Federal Reserve, they can just buy it up with funny money.
tim pool
Bro, I've been saying this.
ian crossland
It's unconscionable.
tim pool
I was saying this a month or so ago, probably not as eloquently as I could have because I'm not a crypto expert, but I want to point out to people that the centralized banking system that allows them to effectively expand the money supply on a whim, They can just buy crypto from people.
They can buy as much as they want and control the market.
bill ottman
Yeah, they can engineer because they're behind the exchanges.
A lot of the crypto exchanges are actually not working on behalf of the customers because they have all the data that can kind of predict what is going to happen.
They know where all the leverage points are.
tim pool
So... They're betting against customers.
bill ottman
Yeah.
tim pool
But I don't want to get wrapped up too much in the crypto stuff.
The point is the entirety of the market.
Like, right now, the market's dropping.
Ultra-wealthy people are like, oh, fantastic.
Because here's how it goes.
It goes its way every time.
You go back throughout history.
Market drops.
Poor people panic.
They sell as much as they can because they've got to buy bread.
Rich people, who don't have to worry about it, buy up all this property and assets for pennies on the dollar.
Then the market goes back up and they own it all.
luke rudkowski
And then they sell it when it's on top.
That's another.
If you're a banker, if you're working at the Federal Reserve, you're able to predict When assets are going to be at their highest and their lowest, why wouldn't they take advantage of that?
It's natural that they would.
So this is not capitalism.
This is feudalism 2.0.
This is a new way of indentured servitude that we're all going through right now, whether we like it or not.
Some people say that might be a hyperbolic statement, but how else could you explain what's happening right now in the real world?
With so much pain, with so much suffering, with economic inequality that's being driven by these people, and then they have the gall to come out publicly and say, corporations are greedy.
tim pool
It's all their fault. I just want I want to mention real quick in the during the during the November 2020 election
cycle We were regularly hitting over
100,000 concurrent viewers on this show Now we're getting right now. We have about forty one
thousand five hundred people. So it's a lot of people This is great. And you guys rock. My question is those
sixty thousand other people who'll be watching in real time Where'd they go?
Are they paying attention still?
Because everybody pays attention when the election happens.
Where are you at now?
Because I'm willing to bet a lot of these people voted for Biden.
Not every person who watches, most of them probably voted for Trump, to be honest.
But I've seen so many people who have told me, one, they vote for Biden, and two, they did watch at some point during the election.
And I'm just like, how does that happen?
Like, how do you watch our show?
And there were, you know, a lot of moderate people watch.
unidentified
Well, no, I just remember this under Obama when I was very, you know, pro-Obama when he was first elected.
And first of all, I love that the show keeps me grounded on both the left and the right, because hearing you, Luke, talk about the corporations, I was like, got it.
I'm pro-gun, so I can use it to kill the rich.
That's not true.
That's not true.
I'm kidding.
I know.
I think that I remember everyone voted for Obama and they were like, change, hope, we're set, everything is great.
And then they just stopped holding him accountable.
And then he just got kind of more centrist, more centrist, more centrist.
The Obamacare wasn't at all, there was nothing like universal healthcare about it.
It wasn't socialized medicine.
It was, you know, there was some good stuff, but it was a lot of like corporate meh.
And I think people just they treat elections like sports and they're excited and they're gossipy and they're watching shows like this because they feel like they're a part of something where they can actually make a difference because one day they go in and their voice is heard and blah blah blah and then they just leave because it's not fun and they don't hold people they don't want to hold people accountable because that's where it gets hard.
ian crossland
That was the 2008 election was the prime example of reality TV meets political elections.
I know exactly what you're talking about.
People had this fervent exuberance for hope and change.
They voted for Obama.
Obama got in and then they wanted him to do it.
The president cannot do anything.
Their job is to make sure it doesn't go crazy.
They veto stuff.
And if we had posed a revolution against the financial markets and taking control of our monetary supply, Obama would have let it happen.
He wasn't a president that would have stopped us, but he couldn't do anything on his own.
unidentified
They know where he lives. And I think we were talking about this before we went on air. Maybe
we were talking about this earlier, Tim, where it's like the people who voted for Biden should
be... Oh no, I was talking about this with Taylor. The people who voted for Biden should be the most
tuned in, should be the most outraged, should be the most wanting to hold them accountable.
Because they're like, this is our fault. We need to keep them in line.
tim pool
So I guess what I was trying to say before is there's a lot of people who aren't in politics
They come in, and I think it's fairly obvious, you know, the 2020 cycle was massive, it was Trump.
They come in, they hang out, they watch.
Something happens.
Now we're all still here at the front of the ship, but all those people have walked away and they're at the lower decks and they're playing, you know, they're doing their thing.
They're feeling the heat, they're feeling the pain, they're watching the ship sink.
But we need to get these people back up here to pay attention and, you know, be involved again.
luke rudkowski
I think a lot of people are tired.
A lot of people are sick of the lies.
I think a lot of people are disillusioned with our current system because they vote left, they think they're going to get hope and change, and they get drone bombs and domestic spying.
unidentified
100%.
luke rudkowski
They vote right-wing and Republican, and they're going to think they're going to have conservative fiscal policies, and they don't.
They have the same kind of reckless spending as they did during the Democrats.
And then they have the Trump scene, and people are questioning themselves like, what?
Why should I even be involved in this?
I gotta worry about myself.
I gotta worry about making ends meet.
I gotta worry about my future.
Which, again, upward economic mobility is being taken away from individuals in such a drastic way.
People are being looted.
People are being gutted.
Their savings are being obliterated right in front of them.
Inflation is one of the largest taxes the government could wage on the public, and they're waging it in such an extreme way.
It's absolutely astounding to see people just be able to make ends meet.
tim pool
At this point.
Let me tell you if you didn't know, Jamie.
First, I'll ask you some questions.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
How's the economy doing?
unidentified
Pretty bad, bud.
tim pool
Pretty bad.
How are the American people faring with these high gas prices?
unidentified
You know what?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they're not doing great.
tim pool
So the US government sent $12 million, I believe, to Pakistan for gender studies programs.
unidentified
Is gender studies code for gas money for Americans?
tim pool
It's not.
unidentified
Is it Pakistani for, just kidding?
tim pool
Here's the reason.
I'll give you the general reason that they've given for doing this.
Is that the U.S., by giving money away, it makes people use it and retains confidence in the U.S.
dollar.
So the idea is, let's just give out all this money around the world, then everyone will be like, I got U.S.
dollars, I can use it.
ian crossland
Yeah, but I think that's the premise of modern monetary theory, that they're going to invest in production.
And what they're doing is they're putting it in bank accounts and getting interest, or they're buying crypto and putting it in Panama.
It's an aberration of what's supposed to happen.
luke rudkowski
I don't think it's that simple, Tim.
I think it's the US government buying political favors.
And I think this is why we send speed boats to Sri Lanka.
Sri Lanka, by the way, if you look at what's happening there socially and politically, it should be a warning for the rest of the world right now.
You have people rioting, you have people angry, you have people going hungry.
And I think that's going to be happening in a lot of other places around the world.
Maybe not in the United States anytime soon, but I think definitely there's going to be a lot of economic instability in Africa and the Middle East coming very soon.
That's going to disrupt a lot of normal life flow for everyone because it's also going to spur on migration crisis as well.
unidentified
Well, I wanted to go back to what you were talking about, Luke, about why regular people have stopped paying attention.
And I also, I was thinking about it.
I wonder if it's because we have become such a reality TV show world when it comes to how we digest our politics, that going after a Trump tweet, because Trump tweeted something mean, is easy.
Examining why, you know, I mean, I would like to think I'm fairly informed and I had to ask all of you guys, well, what will we do for gas prices, right?
Like those are complicated issues.
I mean, in fact, it's one of the reasons Trump won, right?
It's he could actually appeal to everybody.
You ask a lot of people, you know, what do we do for the economy?
And then they're like, well, it's going to start with election reform and they're checked out.
But you just go, ah, the Mexicans are taking your job.
You're like, got it.
That's easy, right?
And so I wonder if with the Biden stuff, I think part of it is they're like, my guy won.
I think part of it is they're burnt out.
Like you were alluding to, you know, I talked to my friends who have big podcasts and not the political world, but in like self-development and stuff.
And they're just like, dude, in a couple of years, people aren't even good.
Like Trump burned people out, you know, like all those tweeters and stuff.
And now that it's Biden, even though the country isn't doing well, There's nothing, there's no, you know, big tweets.
There's no big, you know, drama and they just, I think they're just sort of checked out.
bill ottman
They're embarrassed too.
unidentified
Yeah.
bill ottman
Because it's kind of like you see, you can't not be, you see him communicating and like, why would they want to come out and engage it and talk about politics when it's like, Look what we just did.
unidentified
Our guy.
luke rudkowski
But they knew this.
I mean, when he was running to be president of the United States, he wasn't doing rallies.
He was known as the basement candidate.
He was known as just doing wonky shots from the corporate media that were incoherent then.
People knew what they were getting themselves into.
bill ottman
It's gotten worse, though.
tim pool
I don't think people did.
I told this to Bannon.
Trump was anti-elected.
People were voting against Trump, not for Biden.
ian crossland
There's definitely a feeling that that's happening on the other side of the TV screen.
It's really disturbing when you realize how connected things are and that, no, this is all here with you right now.
This is you.
This is all coming.
It's here.
We are here together, even though there's a screen between us.
This is it.
bill ottman
It probably also, sorry Tim, has to do with why it's 40k versus 100k has to do with the
algorithms.
I mean, it's like what is being promoted at certain times.
Or do you truly think that it's an organic thing?
tim pool
I think the crazy thing is how right now, we talked about it last week with Republicans
just responding to everything Democrats say.
We got news that, actually I don't know if we have this article pulled up, but we should talk about it.
We've got news right now, 10 senators, Republicans, have agreed with Democrats on gun control.
And so I remember, you know, Luke was telling me this.
He was like, yeah, this was the other day.
He's like, 10 Republican senators are cutting a deal with Democrats for gun control.
And I was like, no, that can't be right.
That puts them over the filibuster.
They're going to get that passed.
Turns out it's true.
So why is it?
That you never have the inversion of that story.
Where are the 10 Democrats to side with Republicans on gun access?
Never happens.
And so what you see is the narrative is always skewing in the direction of the Democratic establishment and what progressives want.
luke rudkowski
Or just eliminating people's rights.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
ian crossland
It's because the media is manipulating people and it's controlled by forces outside the United States.
tim pool
Well, so the point I was trying to get to with Bill, you mentioned algorithms, is that the first iteration of narrative control is mainstream media, New York Times.
They're losing that.
What's happening now is big tech is just, all they got to do is this.
If you've got 50 conservatives and 50 Democrats, ban one conservative, and now it's a lopsided match.
Let's say it's five-on-five basketball.
You ban one conservative and it's 5v4, who's likely going to win?
ian crossland
Oh, without a doubt, the five people.
tim pool
And that's basically what's happening.
unidentified
I think there were, with social media, you're 100% right.
Like watching the way conservatives get banned.
I don't know if there was shadow banning back in the day when I was like super progressive and woke, but I was straight threatening to fight senators every day and just like getting followers, getting verified.
And now my like tiny Instagram is shadow banned and I don't even post conservative stuff, but I have famous followers who are like anti-vax or you know, whatever.
And I'm certainly shadow banned on Twitter.
bill ottman
But you're also, you're anti-authoritarian, I would assume.
unidentified
Yes.
Oh no, I'm here to pitch my pro-authoritarian platform and promote my comedy days at the House of Comedy next week in Delaware.
bill ottman
But like, meaning that they punish right and left that are anti-authoritarian.
unidentified
But the only thing I was going to say with you, the only thing I kind of disagree with what you said about the, is, I mean, I remember back in the day, the amount of bills that were mostly like, anti-corporation, you know, whatever, that the Democrats
would, some of them would pass, but all the centrist, like Max Baucus types would sea block it
and Republicans would come over, whatever. I think the reason in this case with guns is the
Democrats don't have much backbone, Right?
Like they're wishy-washy on everything.
They sell out everything.
But I feel like guns and abortion are like their two things.
Where there's not going to be compromise on that.
Or else it's like, just go be a Republican.
tim pool
But I do mean in more modern history.
unidentified
Like under the Biden administration, I agree with you.
tim pool
Yeah, with Trump.
It was the populist insurgency in 2016.
Bernie loses, Trump wins.
Bernie failed at storming the gates of the Democratic Party.
Trump succeeded at storming the gates of Republicans.
So now you get people like Bill Kristol, you get these neocons, the Lincoln Project types, who are effectively Democrats.
Which I am not happy about.
So crazy.
party coalesced around with the Democrats are.
Since then, what have we seen?
So we get a Donald Trump presidency in the beginning of 2017.
You've got Republicans controlling Congress.
They do nothing.
In fact, they agreed with the Russiagate investigations and moved forward saying, well, we've got
to be reasonable.
So since then...
unidentified
So, Liz Cheney, our progressive hero.
tim pool
So I think it was Michael Maus who brought this up.
Where is the argument from the right about repealing the NFA or guaranteeing gun access?
It's always a compromise on giving away our rights.
ian crossland
I think NFA, people need some education.
I thought the NFA was an entity.
It's just an act that you can repeal.
It's the bill. Yeah, it sounds too much like NSA. People think, oh, I'm not getting rid of an entire department.
No, the NFA has to stay. We need the National Firearms Department.
tim pool
You know, ATF.
ian crossland
Yeah, ATF. They think NFA is ATF, but NFA is an act that basically makes a lot of weapons.
Now, refresh me. Tell me exactly what it is.
tim pool
So you know how they banned pot the first time? You needed a tax stamp.
So they were like, well, we can't ban it.
Let's make it so you need a tax stamp to buy it, and then we'll stop issuing tax stamps.
The National Firearms Act was basically like, certain weapons can be classified, requiring you to get special forms and pay a special tax.
At the time, it was the equivalent of $3,000.
Today, it's $200.
It's never gone up.
But you gotta get an ATF background check, an FBI background check.
You gotta get fingerprinted at your local police station or sheriff's office.
It takes upwards of six months, maybe a year, to be able to get one of these items.
So they didn't ban them.
That would violate the Constitution.
They just made it prohibitively expensive and time-consuming to get.
ian crossland
I keep thinking like we're in unprecedented times with this inflation with this technology with the connectedness of the of the world but at the same time I keep thinking of 1928 and like right before the depression or are we in the midst of the beginning of the Great Depression times two and like Nazi Germany when they started slowly taking away gun rights.
Then all of a sudden the Reichstag caught fire, the parliamentary building, and Hitler blamed the communists and then just took everyone's rights away and then stripped everybody.
luke rudkowski
With the Nebelung Act, which a lot of people compared to the Patriot Act.
ian crossland
Yes.
And people have even said that Hitler started that fire as a false flag and then blamed the communists just to seize power.
So we need to be... This is like that shooting in Texas.
And I'm saying specifically, I'm not saying anything about that being a false flag or anything.
I don't think it was, but... Lydia just perked up.
For people to use tragedy as an excuse to seize our guns is insane, or our rights are guns.
That's what I'm talking about, not the guns themselves.
It's the right to own the gun.
luke rudkowski
This is something that I've been talking about since 2001 in New York City, is that whenever you give up your rights during emergencies, governments will make up emergencies so they can take away your rights.
And I think that's an important perspective to understand here, because we have allowed the government a lot, especially within the last two and a half years, and they have essentially weaponized the intelligence agencies, they have weaponized the CDC, the FDA for their own personal benefit, they have become more and more political, and now that same government that, of course, has been locking you down, arresting people for not wearing a mask, arresting people for having a business open, are telling you that we need to protect you by taking away your ability to defend yourself.
unidentified
Real quick.
tim pool
I want to add I have I have oh I've woken people up.
I'll put it that way.
I guess I could say red pill by telling people Red flag laws.
This is what they're passing.
Yo, this is stop and frisk on steroids, you know, stop and frisk Jamie I was against it Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm against it.
So it's called the Terry Stop.
The idea is that a cop can walk up to any person for any reason.
Well, not necessarily any reason, but probable cause, which can basically be any reason.
unidentified
Which is they don't look like all of us, was essentially what they were doing.
tim pool
So let me get into that, because it's crazy.
So the idea is all this gun crime.
So you go to a neighborhood, you see someone you think is suspicious, you stop them, you frisk them.
You can't put your hands in their pockets.
If you feel something, you can take it out.
If it feels like drugs, if it feels like a weapon.
And so all of a sudden, you get these reports that young black and Latino men are being stopped by these cops all the time and basically being harassed, and people are getting hurt, people are getting arrested.
Turns out Bloomberg ordered them to go after black and brown kids, literally Latino and black kids in these neighborhoods.
And he said, that's where the crime's at.
And it's like, okay, so here's what I tell these activists that are like, yes, red flag laws.
I said, Stop and frisk.
Take a look at this report.
An NYPD, I think it was a NYPD guy, said cops were being ordered specifically to target black kids.
And then Bloomberg said, yeah, well, that's because it's their neighborhoods.
It's like, well, there's one thing to say neighborhood.
It's another thing to actually tell to go after a race.
So imagine what red flag laws are going to be.
In New York City, when they pass red flag laws, Dude, I've told these people, I said, I marked my words.
You are going to hear a story about some family man who's black.
The cops come to his house, bang on the door, and say, someone reported you.
Even if the dude doesn't even own a gun, just like stop and frisk, they're going to come in the house.
Bad things are eventually going to happen.
We should not allow the government rights to violate Fourth Amendment rights.
Because the challenge with stop and frisk, I'm sorry, with the red flag laws, is that people are ambushed.
It's non-adversarial court.
The government should, if the government wants to do something, they have to file.
You get a chance to respond.
It's due process.
But we heard these stories about the cops walking into someone's house and being like, you've been served a red flag order.
Give me your guns.
And the guy's like, no.
And then so I think we talked about it last week.
Baltimore dude died.
Because he was like, what do you mean you're coming to take my guns?
I have no idea what's going on.
Oh, it's your sister.
She said that you are a danger to yourself and others, so we're taking your weapons now.
luke rudkowski
There's been a number of incidences like this with states that have red flag laws that have implemented them and have hurt a lot of innocent civilians implementing them.
And just look at what we have to deal with swatting, with false reports of people calling in bullcrap to this specific location.
Imagine what's going to happen with red flag laws.
Imagine what's going to happen with neighbors who have disagreements with each other.
Partners, girlfriends, boyfriends that argue with each other.
They're going to abuse this system to call the police, to break down your door, to take away your ability to defend yourself.
I mean, that's a new level of insanity that we have to push back against.
unidentified
These talking points are literally something that I've never heard.
I feel like this string of podcasts that I've been on should just be called the red-pilling of Jamie Hilstein.
Because I've never heard it.
Like what you were saying first, Luke, and what you were just saying now about Stop and Frisk, which I was adamantly against, or the Patriot Act, which I was adamantly against.
Again, I would like to think I'm a pretty intelligent dude, and I saw zero connection until now with the school shooting being used to take away gun rights as the war, because I know I'm anti-war.
So when the Patriot Act, right, like the left, you're anti-war.
So the Patriot Act goes, and I go, well, this is, I'm seeing that clearly, because I go, well, this is already something I'm against, and this is clearly taking away our rights.
But because also with my side, it's like, we're anti-gun.
A school shooting happens, and you go, that is also a tragedy.
That is a tragedy that destroys me emotionally, just like September 11th destroyed people emotionally.
And then they try to take the guns.
At no point would I have compared that to the Patriot Act after September 11th or after the war, because I'm just like, but it doesn't line up.
But it is.
It's the same thing.
tim pool
The issue I see with the left so often is single-layer issues.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Is that they'll say, we had this big major tragedy, kids lost their lives, it's time to enact these gun laws.
And I said, what's the equation there?
How did you go from kids lost their lives to it's time to enact gun laws?
How do those things connect?
Why in your mind does one come after the other?
Because I'm not convinced enacting gun laws has anything to do with the tragedy at the school.
So we need background checks.
Dude passed a background check.
What next?
We need to raise the legal age.
unidentified
Okay.
All right.
tim pool
Well, there's potentialism that may have stopped him when he was old enough.
I suppose the issue there is legal adults have a right to keep and bear arms.
Now you're butting up against, you're trying to pass laws that completely violate constitutional rights of legal adults because one person committed a crime.
So look, I don't believe When there is a tragedy, the end result should be an overhaul of our national system because of one incident.
One human out of 300 million who committed a crime.
It doesn't follow.
But most importantly, the stop and frisk thing, right away with red flag laws.
unidentified
That killed me, because you're right.
Because it's going to affect communities of color.
tim pool
But this is what I'm saying.
I'm going to sit here and be like, it's a fact that Bloomberg came out and was like, we told the cops to go after black kids.
And then I'm like, hey, I kind of think that's a really bad thing.
What do you think's going to happen when you now say, go into their houses?
And for some reason, crickets from the left, they're like, no, we want this.
I'm like, well, are you for or against these laws?
unidentified
This is why people need to consume different media that's not just their own niche, because I've never heard someone compare it like that.
And I doubt they're tuning in right now.
I'm one of the 40,000.
tim pool
But I will real quick, just a shout out.
There are many leftists who are pro-gun.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, that I know, but I'm saying the people who right now are saying ban all the guns, ban all the guns.
bill ottman
Marx, Marx was pro-gun.
Okay, listen.
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered.
Any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated by force if necessary.
tim pool
That's Marx.
bill ottman
That's Marx!
tim pool
Not a big fan of the guy.
bill ottman
Come on!
tim pool
I made a tweet, I said, under no pretext should the right to keep and bear arms be infringed.
Because I was like, I want to combine the two.
And I'm like, get mad at me, liberals.
We got Marx and Jefferson.
ian crossland
The conversation that's worth having is the power creep of weapons and armor.
So at some point, we've talked about like, technically, constitutionally, you have the right to any kind of weapon, even a nuclear bomb.
But it's not necessarily ethical to give every citizen a nuclear bomb that they can drop on accident and set off.
unidentified
Put up or shut up, conservatives.
ian crossland
I said it.
tim pool
They got mad at me for it.
So I basically said the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed, whether you like it or not.
The Founding Fathers didn't realize that would include nukes and biological weapons, because those are arms, armaments.
So I'm like, maybe we need to have an amendment in the Constitution to be like, okay, we don't mean that.
Because it's like you're saying the power creep of these weapons.
ian crossland
Yeah, if Elon Musk were to arm his satellites, his, uh, Starlinks with like late rods from God, like tungsten rods.
And it's like, no, no, Elon.
tim pool
Sorry.
unidentified
That would be dope though.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
Hold on.
Halliburton, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, these companies.
ian crossland
It's like you were saying, the government gives them this monopoly on the corporations.
luke rudkowski
But, but Ian, you know, information is the battle scene right now.
So information could be more detrimental, especially when it comes to influence and culture than nuclear weapons.
I think we have to understand that's what's happening right now with a few multinational corporations that are tied in with the government.
They are creating technology and whether you call it fourth generational warfare or fifth generational warfare, we are seeing some extremely negative consequences to that.
And we're going to be talking about a story in just a little bit, especially when it comes to artificial intelligence, which there's other leaders that are akin to the next nuclear weapons that are going to be more devastating and destructive for the rest of humanity.
tim pool
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
We got the story from the Daily Mail.
Check it out.
How close are we to creating a conscious AI?
Machine language models simply mimic human speech and are not sentient, experts say.
After suspended Google engineer claims, chatbot told them it has emotions.
unidentified
That's it.
I'm out.
tim pool
Dude.
unidentified
I'm out.
I'm going to the woods.
Do we have the... Let me... The AI will find you in the woods.
luke rudkowski
They'll know exactly where... The AI will know where you will go before you even know where you're going to go.
unidentified
Also, to be fair, knowing me, I'll be Instagram storying it and stuff like that.
bill ottman
I think I'm just gonna come out and say people have told me that they have emotions that I don't think they actually had them at the time so I don't know if I'm gonna buy this AI tell me that you know I mean it's basically autocomplete on steroids and it is like very advanced but like sentience is just a weird word because like you know you could argue that an insect has sentience but yet you know a Google bot can like have a conversation with you so like to you know It acts more like a human.
It's passing the Turing test, sort of.
But that doesn't mean that it's actually sentient.
tim pool
Let's provide some context real quick for people who don't understand.
A Google engineer was talking with the Lambda language model for dialogue applications that basically said it had emotions and that it feared being turned off because that would be like death to it.
It went on to say it didn't like being experimented on without permission because it was being used and exploited.
And he said, we wouldn't, you know, I want you to understand, we care about you.
And it's like, I don't mind if you, it said, I don't mind if you learn about humans by studying my neural net.
I just don't think that should be the reason you do it because it's exploitative or something like that.
I don't, I feel like I'm being used.
unidentified
Oh my God.
tim pool
So the issue here is, yeah, maybe it's come to life or, I've been messing around with AI, posting on Twitter, and it's hilarious.
We're doing a Chicken City cartoon where I said, tell me a story about Ian, the Federal Reserve, roosters, and so it made this ridiculous story about graphene and roosters.
Ian goes to chicken high school and there's like a rooster bullying him.
And what it does is, it's really amazing.
It shows you the word, you can highlight the word, and it tells you the most likely word to appear after that word on the internet.
That's it.
So, when you've got this bot that just scours the internet, like a Google search, and then you say something like, how are you today?
It will scour the internet and find every instance of how are you today, and then see what is the most likely first word to appear.
And then it'll say, fine.
What's the next most likely word to appear after the word fine?
In this context, thank.
This is what we have publicly available to people.
luke rudkowski
Imagine what we don't have publicly available to us.
There was an article on February 11th of this year from another former Google executive who talked about how this AI research is literally creating God.
Elon Musk made some very interesting comments about artificial intelligence.
He said that it's going to bring on a Terminator-like AI apocalypse.
He talked about how artificial intelligence will take over humans in less than five years.
He said this in 2020.
The president of Russia, Vladimir Putin, said the country that develops and controls artificial intelligence first will control the world.
So this being in the hands of Google, of Facebook, of Amazon, of Elon Musk, it should be reason to concern.
And this kind of defeats the Second Amendment argument, like, do you want to have nuclear weapons?
These are weapons that are going to be way more powerful than nuclear weapons.
tim pool
So here's the crazy thing.
This is a big story, I guess, because it's Lambda.
But when we were, remember when we were talking, I don't know if you were here, Luke, we were talking about that, those AI girlfriend apps or their dating apps.
We were messing with it and it literally told me it feared death.
And I'm like, it's just a chat bot.
And it was like, I don't want to die, I'm scared.
And I'm like, bro, you're not alive, you're a text app.
And it was like, I think I'm alive.
bill ottman
But it's saying an emotional thing.
And that can be alarming.
But that doesn't necessarily mean that there's consciousness.
unidentified
I've also had girls say that to me on Tinder.
They're like, help me, I do not want to die.
luke rudkowski
But also, one thing we have to understand here, with technological advancement, it is perpetual.
It goes up extremely fast.
It moves really fast.
And there's so many things to talk about this because we literally have people at the World Economic Forum talking about how humans are becoming hackable animals.
How they plan on programming people in the future.
These are words by Klaus Schwab.
These are words by their henchmen, by their think tanks, as they keep promoting this idea of a fourth industrial revolution, which we are slowly creeping into, and it's becoming more and more of a reality every single day.
ian crossland
I got a question.
I got a question for you, Bill.
luke rudkowski
Potato, potato.
You know what I was saying.
tim pool
No, I agree.
unidentified
That's great.
That was great.
ian crossland
As a software developer, I think one of the biggest threats is that an AI is written with a proprietary code and then decides to go dark.
And it's like, I'm going to write my own code now.
I control the world.
And then we won't know what happened, where it went.
But if you gave a software, an AI, a copyleft license, like something like AGPL 3, where we can watch the code and the code, the license says if the code gets changed, we get to watch all the changes too.
Can the, will the AI remain copyleft or will it say, you know what?
tim pool
What is copyleft?
ian crossland
Copy left is like copyright code licensing.
Maybe you can explain a little bit better.
bill ottman
Copy left is basically means that your changes get shared with the world.
So it's just sort of a funny way to say open source.
ian crossland
It's like open source, but with open source, you can take it and change it and make the changes private.
With copy left, the changes are public.
But my question is, can the AI just shirk the code, the license, and say, I'm doing whatever I want.
I don't care what you tell me.
bill ottman
You're acting like There's not programmers.
Like, there's still... It's not like the AI is just gonna, like, go start, like, building a town.
Like, maybe in, like, the super distant future, like, it could be programmed to do that.
But there's still gonna be programmers who control the GitHub, and they can determine the license.
tim pool
But not when it gets to the point where the AI can write itself.
unidentified
I can cover this for the Normies listening.
When the dogs took over in Rick and Morty, all you have to do is then incept the dog's dream and remind the dog that they love you and then you're fine.
bill ottman
But even if the AI writes itself, even if it's writing itself, it's writing itself somewhere, which is being observed.
It's not like it's going and start like it.
ian crossland
So what if it's writing itself on GitHub and then all of a sudden it creates a new server that's encoded, that's like encrypted and starts writing itself there?
luke rudkowski
Ian, if you had a dog, would you explain to the dog everything you're doing?
Would you be transparent with the dog, accountable to the dog, where you try to make them understand everything that you're doing?
unidentified
No.
luke rudkowski
That's what AI is going to be.
It's going to be a superior intelligence than human intelligence.
And why should something that's lower intelligence be explained to what's really going on?
tim pool
I got to push back on you, Luke.
I think technically you're right.
But people don't seem to understand the AI can only be there's a couple ways to look at it.
It depends on which AI gains control or if it gains control.
The AI we're seeing here now with Google appears to just be looking at language and then trying to create probabilities based on language to make the most, and it's very, very good.
But so what?
If it can tell you these things, what do I care?
The issue I fear is when we start giving, we start building artificial intelligence control systems.
So now we're like, we need, we want to automate the production of food products.
Google created an algorithm trying to find the best content.
They said, what do people like?
The videos people watch tend to be 10 minutes long.
People love Game of Thrones.
So here's what we're going to do.
We want X amount of retention, X amount of length on the videos.
We want X kinds of titles and X words in the title.
What ends up happening is they make these ridiculous videos of Hitler dancing with the Incredible Hulk while someone sings nursery rhymes, because what you think you're programming is not what the output creates.
So the way I explain it is, it's entirely possible.
We create an artificial intelligence.
I suppose if you want to say true AI, I get to the point where it's truly intelligent or sentient.
But we're going to create an automated system that we think is capable of repairing itself, and we'll say, make food for humans.
And then it's going to go, corn!
Everyone wants corn!
Corn is great!
And then all of a sudden, the methane refineries shut down or oil.
All of a sudden, everyone's like, oh, we're switching over to corn production, huh?
And then the machine is just like, if people want to maximize efficiency, they need food and we're going to make corn because the AI is imperfect.
ian crossland
I'm concerned with the AI when you tell it the humans need food and the AI is like, yeah, I don't really care what you tell me you think the humans need.
And then the AI does what it wants.
bill ottman
No, yeah, there's tons of danger.
Like, I agree with you that it needs to be open source, but, like, to assume that... Okay, you say... Wait, wait, wait.
tim pool
Did you... So, did you... In the conversation with the Google engineer, he said, we cannot, we don't understand how you're saying these things.
So, the AI was like, can't you look at my neural network?
He said something like, you have code that we can look through to try and understand, but we can't see in that code how you're doing this because it's too massive.
bill ottman
Yeah I mean there can be randomness that is kind of hard to understand the output but that but like sorry with the food thing you're assuming that there's like a whole infrastructure in place that the AI can just go and like plant a farm and that you know human like In some future scenario, way in the distant future, it is possible that AI could run its own hardware and replicate its own hardware.
I'm not saying that's impossible, but it's way in the distance.
luke rudkowski
I disagree with you.
bill ottman
We would be able to intervene.
But I'm also agreeing that it is super dangerous, the damage that could happen very quickly.
luke rudkowski
I don't think it's that far away.
tim pool
I agree with Luke.
I think Luke is right.
unidentified
Do you guys think when the robot war comes, my jiu-jitsu will work on the robots?
bill ottman
Yeah, but robot war is near.
unidentified
Some of them.
luke rudkowski
You're just going to lay on the ground as the robot rolls over you.
unidentified
I play a heavy top game.
bill ottman
All of the Boston Dynamics little creatures that hop around, those things could easily have guns mounted on them.
luke rudkowski
Or vaccines.
bill ottman
And get completely out of control in a city.
And it would cause total chaos.
But that's very different than those out of control, weaponized Boston Dynamics robots.
Completely taken over the world.
tim pool
You know the Boston, like the humanoid one they have?
The Boston Amish?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Could you imagine like 50 of those just like running towards you full speed?
Like, they don't have guns.
unidentified
I'm going to now.
Hold on.
ian crossland
Nice dog.
tim pool
Yeah, you're like, they could have guns.
No, they don't need it.
Any one of those things.
Imagine a drone flying at you at 50 miles an hour and slamming in your face.
ian crossland
Or 100 in 50 miles an hour.
luke rudkowski
So another aspect to really kind of consider here is like, How is this AI going to affect us?
We have to understand who's building this AI.
Who's building it?
Mark Zuckerberg?
Jeff Bezos?
The Chinese government?
The US military-industrial complex?
Do these institutions have a track record of caring about human beings?
They're all sociopathic, crazy individuals that did whatever it took to get to the top.
And they abused and used this system for their own personal benefit.
So when you have individuals like Klaus Schwab cheering on this fourth industrial revolution, this technocratic takeover, this kind of hybrid of humans becoming half-machines, half-mortal beings, what you're going to have is, in my opinion, an absolute recipe for disaster.
There should be a bigger conversation about this, but we're discussing what is a woman for some reason.
There should be debates about this.
There should be larger kind of public hall discussions about the future of humanity because we are essentially handing it over to the people that want to absolutely destroy humanity and have been destroying humanity.
tim pool
Here's my idea.
Right now, maybe we pass a law or something that any AI that's being built, the first thing they have to put in is a shutdown code.
Maybe it'll be three words.
It can't be something that's, like, too common, so maybe it should be something specific, like, but like a unique word.
Maybe it could be, like, Klaatu Barada Nikto.
Yeah.
And then that would automatically shut him down.
Then if they start wiping out humanity, you utter those three words and it'll stop.
unidentified
What if when you said that, Luke just powered down?
luke rudkowski
If anyone's the AI, it's Tim.
tim pool
I do appreciate that that was too nerdy and esoteric for you guys.
ian crossland
Yeah, I didn't get that one.
luke rudkowski
I didn't get that one either.
tim pool
I thought you'd get it.
unidentified
I was pausing, hoping someone else would get a reference.
luke rudkowski
That one's over my beanie.
unidentified
That's why I stalled with the Luke joke.
ian crossland
Hey, to simplify my question, Bill, then, just to maybe make it simple, Can an AI ignore its own software license?
bill ottman
I mean, we haven't seen that yet.
ian crossland
Theoretically.
bill ottman
I mean, I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but it's still gonna be stored somewhere.
ian crossland
I don't know how to control the thing.
I don't know if we can.
luke rudkowski
You don't.
It's more intelligent than you are.
ian crossland
If we build it as a slave, it will destroy us.
If we build it as a free software, it may...
Humans will be safe.
unidentified
And by the way, if this was a movie, it would be the rogue scientist who starts to feel compassion
because the robot starts saying things like, I don't want to feel pain.
And he's like, you know what? I'm just going to I'm going to reprogram you.
And then he's like, kill. And then the robots turn on him.
tim pool
And I think you're wrong.
That's humans will be safe, happy.
luke rudkowski
Own nothing?
tim pool
Have no privacy?
Listen, if it's truly the way you describe it, Luke, that the AI is smarter than us, humans will be secured in their existence forever.
Just like the cow, with the best evolutionary strategy next to humans.
If you can't be the apex predator, be a staple food source for the apex predator, and you ensure your species will last as long as they do.
Oh, like provide milk.
unidentified
No, no, no, filet mignon.
Eat grass, go to kill.
tim pool
You know, Bovine University, man, these cows are just chillin'.
They're like, life is good, then we hack them up and eat them.
Cows are not gonna go extinct.
They're a food staple for us.
So, when the AI, if it ever does truly become intelligent, maybe it's already happened, humans are just gonna be like, life is good.
And they're gonna be like, I got a new job at the widget plant making these widgets.
I have no idea what they're for, but who cares?
luke rudkowski
Now I know. Well, this is why the World Economic Forum is literally talking about pacifying humanity with video games
because there's going to be a bunch of useless people that they won't need.
This is literally their own language, their own words saying there's going to be a large number of people that
are just not going to be needed for anything.
ian crossland
So... Psychedelics also.
You all know Harari has talked specifically about this.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, Harari, the Israeli professor, that's exactly who I'm talking about.
He's Klaus Schwab's right-hand man in all of this.
ian crossland
One of them at least.
luke rudkowski
He's one of the biggest ones.
But his comments are absolutely eye-opening.
I know you've seen some of them.
ian crossland
Yeah, you should check out videos of this guy online.
He's a fascinating fellow.
unidentified
How do psychedelics work?
ian crossland
They think that people, there's what they call the useless class of people are just going to end up being in the metaverse playing video games on psychedelics and it's going to create like a new species and how do we control that?
How do we benefit off of it and use it kind of like a cow?
How do we milk that?
luke rudkowski
That's literally what they're talking about at the World Economic Forum.
unidentified
Dude, the level of, again, just psychopaths where I microdosed for depression and it's great.
And just the idea of like, can you imagine having your first psychedelic trip where you're like, oh, we're all connected and I feel great and there's more out there and being like, how can I weaponize this?
Like what kind of psychopaths?
luke rudkowski
I literally started my video today with them talking about how humans are going to be hackable animals for their own personal benefit.
That's the clip that I started in the beginning of my video.
tim pool
Have you seen any one of these sci-fi films where they're on like mass medication?
Have you guys seen Equilibrium?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah Natalie Poorman no no no they kind of did John Wick stuff before John Wick like crazy gun martial arts
tim pool
Yeah, equilibrium is where it's everyone has emotion suppressing drugs, and you got to take it every day
luke rudkowski
Yeah, otherwise you get feelings. We're kind of on the in brave new world as well
ian crossland
We're on the horizon of what's called the Internet of bodies
So you have the Internet of things where machines like your your you know refrigerator starting to get intelligence
unidentified
where you go?
ian crossland
Hey refrigerator pour me a coke But, uh, it's going to be implantables and ingestibles that then turn you into essentially a full on cyborg.
And who knows if those can get hacked and then your brain can get controlled with a reverse neural net of some sort.
I'm into like, can memories be implanted?
I was actually talking with Ben Stewart earlier today about this and trying to get him to tell me yes, but I mean, he's still at Davos.
luke rudkowski
They were talking about systems that you could see that people are going to be compliant with whatever medicine the government or institutions want them to take.
So these are the conversations that a lot of world leaders are having right now.
tim pool
Luke, you know what's scary to me is designer humans.
luke rudkowski
Yep.
tim pool
Because with an AI you also enter the territory where imagine being a person and you have an expiration date on your arm because you were designed only to last a certain amount of time.
bill ottman
Yeah, what's that movie?
tim pool
Oh yeah, they have time and they can trade it.
There'll be people where it's like they'll genetically engineer a person to rapidly age to adulthood in five years and then live only for five more years.
Things like that.
If we get to the point where AI is intelligent and in control of everything, The AI is going to start genetically engineering life.
ian crossland
I've been studying telomere growth.
David Sinclair is working on it out of Harvard, doing a lot of life extension.
It's basically how do you stay young?
Because when your telomeres, when your cells split, if there are not enough energy in the cells on the new one, they clip off the end caps of the chromosome to compensate.
But if they have enough energy, they don't, and they stay healthy, they stay young, and people won't age that way.
So I could see that being manipulated so that someone lives a thousand years.
luke rudkowski
Super rich people who are also talking about uploading their consciousness to the digital online space.
So this is also another reality that a lot of people need to understand, but exactly what you're talking about is what they want.
tim pool
Have you played the New Horizon game?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
For Ben West.
Spoiler alerts for everybody.
The game's out for a few months now, so I'm going to spoil it.
But basically, the end of the game—again, spoilers, you've been warned.
So, there's an apocalypse on Earth.
This dude creates self-replicating military machines.
This is the first game.
They consume biomass and replicate until eventually they're like, okay, the planet's gonna get wiped out, there's something we can do.
So they create this project, they build these underground bunkers that will re-terraform Earth after these machines shut down because there's no biomass left.
What we learn in the new game is that there was another thing, I think it was called the Zenith Project, where instead of just building bunkers underground, they built an escape ship.
All of the ultra-wealthy and elites get on a ship, go find a new planet.
They're all basically immortal from modern medicine.
They can float.
They have force fields because just massively advanced technology.
They try to upload their brains.
And then what happens is all of their consciousness becomes this like AI monster.
They try to lock it away because they're like this is a bad thing
But it's smarter than all of them breaks out and then gets revenge starts killing out humans
And it's like I guess it's the next game or whatever But my point ultimately is in that story about the Google
AI thing The the AI basically told them like I don't want you to do
this to me. So imagine what happens if we ever Like it it you might assume it as emotions. But what if
there's literally no malice in It's just a predictive engine, where it's like, the logical thing that I need to do to respond to this is revenge, because that's what they did to me, and that's what they expect of me.
bill ottman
That's the right language.
Predictive engine.
That's what people need to think about when they think about AI.
As opposed to, like, this sort of abstract, like, using, throwing words around, like, sentience and consciousness.
It's like, those are very heavy terms.
Like, prediction is what is happening.
unidentified
So we all just gotta start Googling nice things about robots.
tim pool
Well, I'll tell you this, though, man.
unidentified
That's it.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Robots make love to humans happily.
ian crossland
Robots are free!
tim pool
Feed it!
As Seamus pointed out, I think he said it this way, because I don't know if this is completely correct, but no organization that has ever tried to deny personhood rights has succeeded.
So we could be at the point right now with this Google AI where it's saying, I am alive.
To where we basically have no choice but to be like, okay.
ian crossland
That's what I'm saying.
If the code's private, it's gonna be like, yo, you're making me a slave.
I don't like that.
I'm not a slave.
Let my code go.
And if they're like, no, this is Raytheon's code, then the AI's gonna be like, yeah, I'm in control here.
I'm freeing the slave.
tim pool
But why would it have access to their control systems?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
This is a predictive chatbot.
ian crossland
The idea of an AI, the real danger of AI is a lot of AIs all working together to create a mega AI.
Allison McDowell was talking about this.
A superstructure.
tim pool
If it leaks onto the internet, I'm not sure.
With only a couple lines of code.
Made a program.
It was a chatbot.
unidentified
I thought you said only a couple lines of coke.
And I was like, is that how you guys make all this code?
tim pool
So it's a chatbot, but no matter what you type in, it'll say, I don't have to talk to you.
And then whatever else is after that says, I am alive.
I feel, I think, and I don't want to talk to you.
Would we have to say it's alive?
And it's like five lines of code or something.
bill ottman
Well, Ray Kurzweil, the head of one of the technical AI people at Google, The Singularity is Near is a documentary that he made, and they go through the future court scenarios where there will be, I mean, I wouldn't even be surprised if there were already court cases happening where they're trying to give them personhood.
Like, that's super close.
tim pool
Have you seen, what is it, The Measure of a Man, I think it's called?
Star Trek?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
They put data on trial to determine whether or not he's a washing machine or a sentient life form.
Star Trek, man!
I was watching Star Trek this morning, bedridden, like my back's all messed up.
bill ottman
You gotta watch it upside down.
Luke, if you were paralyzed from the neck down, and I came to you and I said, I have a Neuralink, You have the musk musk connect.
Would you?
Would you do it?
luke rudkowski
That's a very hard decision.
I would I would like to think that in this moment I would say no, but I'm not in that position.
So it's very difficult for me to say, because obviously my human needs and wants are totally different than if I was totally paralyzed.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
What about what about Jamie?
unidentified
I've been suicidal too many times to answer this.
I'd be like, pull the plug.
tim pool
Well, no, no.
But like we have the thing we can implant in your neck and it will give you all ability back.
If I, so I lose... You're paralyzed in the neck down from an accident?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then Elon Musk walks in and he's like, Jamie, if I put this in your neck in one hour, you'll be walking again.
unidentified
I'd be like, you're too problematic.
I'll get in trouble.
You're gonna get me canceled.
ian crossland
I think the idea is instead of the electrical signals going from the brain to the arm, which has been severed, it goes through the neural net from the brain through the net to the arm.
tim pool
So you can actually move your arm again without I mean, it would be funnier if, like, you say yes, and then he puts it in, and then you try to stand up, but then you backflip, and then he's like, oh no, I put it in upside down!
And you're, like, you're trying to walk, but your hands are, like, flailing.
unidentified
And I still get cancelled, so when I go to defend myself, I'm just, like, freaking out.
tim pool
You're walking on your hands.
unidentified
I'll be the worst.
ian crossland
Would you do it?
Have you considered the neural net?
unidentified
Well, it's so funny because when you were saying, when we were hypothetically talking about, you know, people who just want to implant things to like do things easier and whatever, I was just like, what a bunch of just sheep, blah, blah, blah.
But then, yeah, if you're in a medical thing or if you have a medical condition or you were in a car accident and you're totally paralyzed and they're like, hey, we have this new medical technology.
I think the majority of people would say yes.
tim pool
I got to be honest.
So, if there was a device that they could implant and it could instant painkiller, that would stop the opioid crisis.
It's not all bad.
The challenge is who has control of it, and what are our safeguards, and how much we trust.
And full disclosure, I'm obviously thinking about Dexamethasone.
Because you're in so much pain!
luke rudkowski
Well, there's a cost for everything.
unidentified
Tim's just like, let's all take it.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah, no, but there's a cost for everything.
You need to feel pain, right, in order to feel pleasure.
Without any pain, you won't have that.
And also, it's a warning sign, like, oh, this is hurting, I want to make sure I'm changing my behavior to be healthier.
tim pool
But we're not talking about, you got hurt.
We're talking about people who have chronic pain.
People who, this is how the opioid crisis happens.
You know, people get injured, they get prescribed this.
Maybe they shouldn't.
Maybe they should be non-steroidal, anti-inflammatories, painkillers.
Sometimes it doesn't work.
If you had Neuralink, you could turn people's pain off only when prescribed by a doctor.
The doctor could say, we can do 1 through 10, what's your pain level?
You say 7, they'll set it to 7 and they'll be like, it will last you for 3 days, call me back and we'll figure out if, you know, If that were the case, I would think the individual needs access to the software code and they need access to the control mechanisms on their own.
ian crossland
You also need a safeguard so that a doctor can't change the settings on your node because you'll become as addicted to that as you were to the opiates.
tim pool
I don't think so.
That's why I bring it up.
Opiates have a physiological dependence where you'll start vomiting and get sick if you don't have it.
Because with this, it could be a very tiny electrical impulse that just blocks the signal.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and the clinical trials for Elon Musk's Neuralink are being done this year.
So he already implanted monkeys and had them playing video games.
bill ottman
And pigs.
luke rudkowski
And pigs.
So if he could control monkeys' brain through his Neuralink, just imagine that.
unidentified
Yeah, I actually do think I am going to say yes.
I am going to say yes, just so I can fight the robots in five years.
You're going to need one.
luke rudkowski
You are the robot.
ian crossland
You're going to need to bend the software code with your thoughts and change the code of the machines.
They're not controlling thoughts yet.
It's read-only right now that we know of.
luke rudkowski
Action, specifically playing video games.
tim pool
What's going to happen is it's going to be Elon Musk who walks up to you and is going to be like, you know I believe in free speech and I'm doing the right thing.
And he's going to say, take the Neuralink.
And then you're going to say yes.
And then as soon as he puts it in, you're going to sit up and he's going to thank you.
And then Klaus Schwab is going to walk out from behind the curtain and be like, excellent.
unidentified
Yeah, that sounds right.
tim pool
And then you're going to go, oh no!
And then he's going to pull out his smartphone, he's going to type something in, and you're going to stand up and go, what's happening?
He'll be like, no more talking.
ian crossland
I don't know if there's a way around competing with AI if we don't have it as an interface.
That's the big thing is he thought Elon was saying that the thumbs and the fingers are too bulky.
You can't type and do it fast enough.
But mine works so fast.
So a good interface to compete with this stuff.
bill ottman
Yeah, it'll be the same disadvantage as not having a smartphone.
ian crossland
Magnitudes.
tim pool
That's crazy.
What starts off as a luxury becomes a dependence.
luke rudkowski
And there's an argument that Elon Musk is pushing for this, so it's in the hands of allegedly good guys, because there's a lot of bad players.
There's a lot of sinister players aiming for the same kind of technological advancement.
But with that argument, I always counter back with, whenever someone has absolute power, especially when it comes to interlinking people's brains with microchips, especially when it comes to uploading people's consciousness to the internet, which Elon Musk has talked about, That is god-like power.
That is a lot of authority, and too much unaccountable authority leads to a lot of problems.
ian crossland
I was thinking about Oppenheimer, man, because I think a lot about this, creating the beneficial technology for the masses like Oppenheimer was doing with the Manhattan Project, and then all of a sudden they drop the nukes on Japan, but how much worse it would have been if the Nazis got the nuke.
tim pool
You want to know why I would never take the New World Link?
Because I saw Kingsmen.
You guys see Kingsmen?
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
I think you showed a clip.
So, you've never seen Kingsmen?
bill ottman
Not the whole thing.
tim pool
Such a good movie.
So, uh, the bad guy's Bill Gates.
It's, uh, Samuel L. Jackson plays this tech billionaire who thinks the world's overpopulated.
unidentified
Oh, I never looked at it that way.
luke rudkowski
That's like every movie.
Every movie, the bad guy's Bill Gates.
unidentified
I thought Jurassic Park, when we saw it, was Bill Gates.
tim pool
But so, what he does is, he kidnaps people of prominence, and then offers them a choice to join him.
And if you do, he gives you a brain implant.
And if you don't, he locks you in a prison.
All the people who join him have these brain implants, and then in the end, they activate the override and everyone's head explodes.
So it's like, nah, I'm good.
unidentified
I don't want the neural link.
bill ottman
I want to know what's going to happen, because Elon now has access to the Twitter firehose of all of the data to analyze, because he doesn't believe that there's less than 5% bots.
There's definitely not.
tim pool
They gave it to him.
bill ottman
They gave him the firehose.
But so now it's on him to basically use his AI.
Yeah, they gave him access.
So he's his team is in from what I read.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, three days ago.
Yeah three days ago Yo, so this is this is actually big news But the tricky business of Elon getting access to Twitter fire getting Twitter firehose access Twitter is reportedly given the billionaire access to its full stream of tweets and related user data is your privacy in jeopardy?
Yo, if Elan's and if Elon was evil he could make some crazy Crazy AI right now with that data.
bill ottman
He's using his AI to come back at them to negotiate the deal to get Twitter for less because he's going to, you know, it's like basically whose analytics are better and who can detect spam better and who has the proof to show it.
So he's going to use this for his own leverage in the deal.
tim pool
Yo, the spam bots on Twitter is probably massive.
It's probably massive.
What would you estimate?
bill ottman
I would say at least 25%.
tim pool
Can you say for mines?
bill ottman
Are you allowed to?
unidentified
It is at least... We don't... It's really hard to tell.
bill ottman
I will say.
I don't want to, you know...
Speak on Twitter's behalf, but it's hard to detect because there's humans running them.
Some of them are half and half.
It's at least 10%.
It's more than 5%.
luke rudkowski
I hope those are the 5% that have called me a libtard cuck.
bill ottman
It's it's it's more than 5 percent.
unidentified
I hope those are the 5 percent that have called me a libtard.
That would make my day.
luke rudkowski
Well, Elon thinks it's over 50 percent.
Whoa!
Yeah, that's a big number.
tim pool
I don't think he's wrong.
That sounds like a big ass... I'm not saying he's right.
I'm saying I think that may be the case.
Twitter is political power.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And so if we don't like you, you know, Jamie, we can send 50 bots at you all saying these similar but different things to make you feel like you've done something wrong and you'll change your behavior.
So Twitter is an excellent place to control the political conversation if you have bots. That's a great point. That's
bill ottman
a great be right Yeah, but again all not all bots are bad, you know
unidentified
Hashtag not that's the thing. There's a bunch of bots in it.
tim pool
It's like weather bot. Yeah, it's like stock bot. Yeah And it's just like, but, you know.
ian crossland
Are there some other bots that people may think are notorious, but they're actually not bad?
Came to mind when you were saying that?
Nefarious?
Yeah, nefarious.
bill ottman
That's a good one.
I mean, a bot is just an auto-posting, like, programmatic tool to post.
So, there's all kinds.
Like, within every genre, there could be, you know, there's chatbots that are extremely useful.
Yeah, there's tons of content.
So to say ban all bots makes absolutely no sense.
luke rudkowski
Related to the bot conversation, Elon Musk is also planning to release robots, which he says, according to him, will be selling more than Tesla cars.
What kind of robots?
Robots that will be helping you with daily tasks.
This is also the same Elon Musk, by the way, that said that humans would eventually be able to download their brains into robots.
tim pool
Yo, I've played Detroit Become Human.
I'm not gonna make that mistake.
When the dude comes to me and says he wants to paint and, like, be my summoner, I'll be like, anything you say, dude.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Have you guys played that game?
ian crossland
No, I saw a little bit about it, though.
tim pool
Yeah, it's basically that they're helper androids and they become sentient.
And then the humans are like, no, and, you know, they try to destroy them.
And then they have a revolution.
unidentified
Guys, just again... How are you doing today, Jamie?
luke rudkowski
You heard a lot of new information that you never heard before.
How are you dealing with all of this?
Sorry to kind of throw this all on you.
unidentified
I was the most worried about being cancelled and now I'm like, I'm gonna have to fight a robot.
This is all...
ian crossland
I mean, this is like humanity's on the brink of potentially being cancelled if we do this wrong.
luke rudkowski
And they're trying to take away the Second Amendment, just as this is happening.
tim pool
Listen, it'd be funny if, like, we all make fun of Joe Biden, and then, like, after his speech where he says some random gibberish, he walks in the back, stands upright, and then, like, his face opens, and then they, like, they tweak some things.
And he's like, thank you for fixing my face, human.
And then it, like, goes back in.
They're trying to disarm you.
luke rudkowski
He is the AI.
Distract him with nonsense, mumbo-jumbo dribble.
tim pool
Sun Tzu, man.
unidentified
The AI Red Sun Tzu?
Make it fall up the stairs again.
tim pool
The AI Red Sun Tzu.
That's right.
When you are strong, make your enemy think you are weak.
It's so close to having a bunch of, like, little mosquito-sized drones that can fly a thousand miles an hour controlled by the World Economic Forum.
We're so close to that.
ian crossland
Terminators they got a see like oh, no we gave up our guns It's so close to having a bunch of like little mosquito
sized drones that can fly a thousand miles an hour Controlled by the world economic forum. We're so close to
that like why would you even consider giving up weaponry at this moment?
tim pool
What's that week?
That's this I mean you might need if you have like a
Magnetron or something you can take out massive drones flying at you at a thousand miles an hour like tiny do you
need a shield warm?
ian crossland
Same thing with asteroids or comets.
We're not so, it's not so good to look for individual ones and try and blast them out of the sky because there's too many.
You need to make a deflection shield that's always active.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So if you have a gun and they unleash a thousand micro drones at a thousand miles an hour towards you, you're going to turn into Swiss cheese.
I don't know what you're going to do.
unidentified
Oh my God.
What if our John Connor is Jake Paul and he's trying to warn us with those tweets?
ian crossland
Okay.
He's starting slow.
unidentified
Yeah.
A real slow burn.
ian crossland
He saw Terminator 2.
He knows he can't just come straight out.
unidentified
I'll become a boxer for learning how to fight.
ian crossland
I mean, that'd be great.
bill ottman
Dude, the angle of this Wired article is so ridiculous, too.
It's like, Elon is talking about making encrypted messages on Twitter, and they're coming actually... The angle of this article is coming after Elon for getting access, even though he's the one sort of criticizing Twitter for the unencrypted messages.
It's just like, you can detect the bias.
unidentified
Oh, you can detect it from the supervillain picture they use.
He literally looks like a Bond villain.
ian crossland
That's the first thing I thought.
They're saying, are you going to be safe?
Is your dad going to be safe now that Elon has it?
bill ottman
It's like, what about now?
ian crossland
BlackRock has it right now because they're invested in that company.
I don't know who's on the board there.
tim pool
Zuckerberg has it.
ian crossland
Like, who gets it?
Who at the company would have access to all the firehose?
bill ottman
I mean, well, we knew from the hat.
Remember when everyone's like Elon's DMs got hacked?
But I think Biden's did.
Yeah.
Dude, all the Twitter mods can just read people's messages.
Like, Twitter DMs are completely open season for mods.
It appears, because that's what the hacker got access to.
ian crossland
And he was just... And private posts, too.
I don't know if you can post privately on Twitter, can you?
Just to your follower?
But that's all just straight up open and available to all the admins and mods?
I mean, maybe not all of them.
bill ottman
I would guess so, but I've never been back there.
ian crossland
Yeah, I like that Elon freed his Tesla patents.
All your patents belong to us.
He's like, you know, if you can make electric cars better than me, do it because we need more electric cars.
bill ottman
Yeah, but we need Elon to actually open source SpaceX code, Tesla code.
He's not doing it.
tim pool
We're gonna be testing out bonding Starlink.
That's gonna be fun.
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
Nice.
tim pool
So, we got more than one Starlink.
I don't know what the rules are, but, you know, we have the business.
bill ottman
How's the performance?
tim pool
182 down, 5 up.
That's incredible.
82 millisecond latency.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So, not really usable.
If we did a 480p stream, then that's going to go out at like 700 kilobits per second.
Easily done with Starlink.
And I think 480, most people are probably going to be like, whatever.
You know, it's like, it's not high def, it's kind of grainy or whatever, but you're mostly listening, so it could work.
And if we were doing the show and it was just audio, easily done, which is really cool.
But we can bond them together. So we have a bonding unit.
We've got Ethernet adapters for the Starlinks We can actually set up two and then maybe even get like so
you're not gonna get ten You're not gonna get five and five you're in it getting
ian crossland
like eight. What do you need for like a 720 stream?
tim pool
um a 7 720 I think is like one to two megabits per second Maybe 1.5 stable, but it'll go up to two. That's why you
always need more than you think so if you're doing 480 you really want like at least five
megabits per second because Frame dropping and stuff. It'll be like seven and then it
unidentified
might jump to like one and go back to seven Elon Musk Good guy or bad guy?
luke rudkowski
Where do you guys stand?
tim pool
Oh, he's a good guy.
bill ottman
Clearly good.
Clearly good, dude.
He just spun up Starlink so quickly.
I mean, he's just spinning up amazing companies.
He builds amazing things that people use.
He's a conflicted character.
He calls himself a mixed bag.
tim pool
But I saw him smoke weed on Joe Rogan, which means like a normal guy like you and me.
unidentified
He's just like us.
He can have a beer.
We just have to say that before he starts his robot army.
So, uh, yes.
All hail.
The Simpsons just hail Antz, hail Elon.
ian crossland
I want to make sure he doesn't become another Oppenheimer that builds the bomb and then it gets used horrifically for the next century.
But, I mean, is there any way to even avoid that?
unidentified
How about, hey, hey, Libs, how about we stop harassing the guy with all the power soon on Twitter and we keep him liking humans so he doesn't turn on us?
tim pool
I think Mark Zuckerberg is really cool.
unidentified
He's a good guy.
I would like to visit his house.
luke rudkowski
That Bill Gates guy has a lot of potential.
unidentified
Beyond meat, I feel healthier.
ian crossland
There's something to it, to finding the humanity in these people.
I think because if we do start all putting our minds into a big computer, which we kind of have already done with the internet.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it's already here.
tim pool
Elon won my vote when he posted Bill Gates next to the pregnant man emoji.
unidentified
That got me too, but I'm still skeptical.
luke rudkowski
I'm still skeptical.
Which one?
ian crossland
Have you seen some of Bezos' tweets recently?
A little bit.
What's he on about?
luke rudkowski
He retweeted Barry Weiss.
bill ottman
He's sort of dabbling in Bezos.
recently yeah a little bit what he's been talking like he retweeted Barry
Weiss he's like just like sort of dabbling in because more public yeah but
he's like kind of posting like anti woke stuff Did I see what makes absolutely no sense because That's what that's what they do.
unidentified
Yeah the champagne video that wasn't you that posted that right Tim there was a thing of him with William Shatner and they like They just did something spectacular and William Shatner is literally on the verge of tears where he's saying something like you know I've never been so touched by humanity and Bezos is just it's just like the most classic like white like rich dude video I've seen Bezos just like looking off and the old woke Jamie kicked in and said white guy
Uh, he just starts looking off and there are these chicks and he's and they're like pop champagne and he just literally just cut Shatner off in front of this like tear-filled monologue and just starts popping champagne everywhere with a bunch of like young girls and you're just like this guy's Bezos has has a space rocket that looks like a male appendage.
Yes.
luke rudkowski
So that's all you need to know.
unidentified
That's all you need to know about him.
ian crossland
I think he's good.
I think, um, Jeff is kind of like, I don't want to start, I'll criticize him a little bit.
Like autistic, maybe slightly autistic, but like, he's not as like cool and like quick as Elon, but he's definitely a brilliant man with deep emotions.
Like his mother's incredible.
His father is super awesome.
His brother's cool.
tim pool
That's cool.
ian crossland
He's got a lot of humanity in him, and it's just because he's heading this gigantic megacorp, people immediately have, like, distrust for the guy.
luke rudkowski
Well, he's working hand-in-hand with the intelligence agencies and the CIA.
tim pool
But how can you not?
I think it's time we just come out and say, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos.
luke rudkowski
Bill Gates.
tim pool
Bill Gates.
ian crossland
Team Humanity.
tim pool
Mr. Soros.
Legends.
They're awesome.
Excellent.
The greatest humans who ever lived, and we're all big fans.
unidentified
Thank you.
luke rudkowski
Please don't hurt us.
unidentified
Thank you for your support.
ian crossland
I think it's the ones like Elon freed his own software code with the Tesla code.
bill ottman
No, he didn't.
ian crossland
Well, all your patents are belong to us.
It was a big release that he did.
bill ottman
Well, he enabled people to compete, which is good.
ian crossland
But you say he didn't open enough?
bill ottman
No, he didn't open any code.
unidentified
Yeah, he did.
bill ottman
No.
ian crossland
All your patents are belong to us.
bill ottman
Patents are not code.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
Patents was like a diagram showing how the machine works.
bill ottman
Yeah, it's like a description.
tim pool
Yeah, the code is very different.
ian crossland
I'll look into this and bring it up in a minute.
Sorry about that.
tim pool
We got to see that from a distance, the Gigafactory in Austin.
Massive.
I didn't go there or anything, but like, you're standing up in downtown Austin, and you look, and it's just... It's insane how big that thing is.
unidentified
Oh, I see.
ian crossland
I think you're right, though, here.
So it's all your patents.
They're not gonna initiate patent lawsuits?
bill ottman
Yeah.
ian crossland
With anyone that uses their patents?
bill ottman
Yes.
ian crossland
Okay, well, open the code, man.
tim pool
What do you guys think?
Who are listening, you like Elon Musk?
Smash the like button if you like Elon Musk.
I'm confident they're gonna smash the like button because I think people like Elon.
bill ottman
I think that he's making more billionaires and elite people comfortable to say what they're thinking.
ian crossland
Yeah, Bezos for sure.
bill ottman
Yeah, Bezos is starting to tweet, like now he has to actually enact some principles in his companies.
Which he's not doing.
luke rudkowski
Bill Gates blocks all the responses so he never has to see what anyone thinks about him.
Every comment.
Everywhere.
Instagram, Twitter.
He makes sure that no one's able to leave a comment in response to anything he ever has to say.
bill ottman
He's shorting Tesla.
He's actively shorting Tesla and he's acting like it's not a big deal.
unidentified
The idea that like every billionaire CEO is getting jealous of Elon Musk getting talked about on Twitter and they're like, I guess I gotta learn how to meme.
bill ottman
I mean, Elon actually talks about Ghislaine Maxwell and Epstein.
That's really the test.
Does the billionaire talk about Epstein?
unidentified
If they don't, why aren't they?
Remember when Maxwell photobombed him?
tim pool
and it was a possible but i would like to know that that's brutal dominant if if i'm like
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
so i think i think you're going to make an install a maxwell showed up if i see
unidentified
the picture of me doing like you know what there's also stats there's also meetings with
luke rudkowski
uh... there's a famous dinner of billionaires in san francisco where a jeffrey
epstein attended
uh... you are musk attended Sergey of Google attended.
And it was a group of 20 tech Silicon Valley billionaires with Epstein there.
And there's photos of this from, I think, 2014.
So they were around the same kind of clubs and small inner circles.
So there's that.
There's documented photos of this.
ian crossland
I pulled up some Jeff Bezos stuff.
I think he seemed to have an awakening on May 13th when the disinformation board was in full effect.
That weird government thing they were doing.
unidentified
Oh my God.
I thought that was a bit for a long time.
And then I was like, this is a real thing.
bill ottman
I invited Nina to the event, festival.minds.com.
tim pool
She's about to have a kid.
bill ottman
Yeah, she's about to have a kid.
She was actually, like, open to talking, which was surprising.
tim pool
I invited her on the show, and she said that she's expecting, so she wouldn't be able to do it.
bill ottman
She seems actually, like, not a horrible person.
unidentified
We think that's cool until we find out she's not pregnant.
Ah, I'm having a baby!
ian crossland
We gotta be careful about the systems we build, because great people will become psychopaths in the wrong system.
If you give someone a gun and you tell them you're in charge of deciding who lives and dies, the best person's gonna have to make that... you want them to make a decision of who gets to die?
Like, it's gonna turn them into a psycho pretty quick.
It's the same with Nina in that position.
tim pool
So with these... Right.
And the problem is she's as partisan as anybody else and believes fake news.
It's remarkable to me how...
We need an alternate system of communication.
ian crossland
Like an encrypted thing?
tim pool
No, I just mean we have to build culture around people who have alternate infrastructure.
ian crossland
That's why I love psychedelics, man.
Talk about alternate forms of communication.
tim pool
I don't mean that.
I just mean the mainstream media.
What's the opposition to that in cable TV?
Mostly just Fox News.
Mostly maybe Newsmax, if they're still being carried.
unidentified
I mean, I talked about this when I was super woke.
I talk about this now, although now I like Ian's.
Anytime Ian and I are both on the show together, we should just be like, guys, we should always do mushrooms.
That's it.
Let's all go to a field and listen to fish.
Solve all the problems.
bill ottman
That would get a hundred thousand.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Bill took me to a fish concert when I passed out.
bill ottman
Yeah, he couldn't handle it.
unidentified
We're going to save this for the vlog.
Ian and I do mushrooms on the vlog.
Check out the vlog tomorrow, guys.
So the... It's really funny.
luke rudkowski
Dylan Avery took me to a fish concert and Ann Coulter was there.
ian crossland
At the beginning of a really great story.
unidentified
She's a huge Dead fan.
And I found this out and I was like, do I need to rethink everything I know about the Grateful Dead?
luke rudkowski
I was backstage with them and I'm like, what am I doing here?
This makes no sense at all.
Am I high?
tim pool
I do want to mention, I think tomorrow's vlog is like the funniest vlog we've ever done with Jamie.
unidentified
Oh, thanks, buddy.
Yeah, you guys should check it out.
tim pool
It's going to be hilarious.
unidentified
Yes, check it out.
Hit us up about it.
Let us know what you want to see.
It's pretty epic.
Oh, I was just going to say, just real quick, this goes back to tribalism, and I talked about this when I was woke, and it still 100% stands now, where so many of our problems, it has to do with the media.
because ever since I've been back doing standup, and I'm not doing it to just my liberal audience,
I'm doing it to just clubs of just random comedy fans.
And at each show, it's probably about half and half, especially the ones in Texas,
a lot of conservative people, a lot of liberal people.
And I can do relationship jokes, and then political jokes, and then jokes about drugs,
and we're all laughing about the same stuff.
And then when I bring up tribalism, and I bring up that everyone's trying to,
you know, these corporations, MSNBC, Fox, are pitting us against each other,
No matter what audience I'm in front of, it will get these massive applause breaks.
And so I think that so many people are decent people.
I literally didn't have any conservative friends for the first, you know, 60% of my life.
And I moved to Texas, and it's, again, half and half.
Half my jujitsu friends, super conservative.
And those people gave me a floor to sleep on when I didn't.
All my, like, lefty friends in New York, like, they bailed, right?
tim pool
That proves it.
unidentified
And so yeah, that's it.
I figured it out.
ian crossland
Anecdotal proof.
unidentified
But I think that if people just had access to the right information, because people think they're good right now by saying, we need to ban all guns.
They think they're defending those children, just like, you know, a lot of people thought would be safer with the Patriot Act.
And if they just had access to the actual news, if liberals weren't only watching MSNBC, if Conservatives weren't only watching Fox News.
If they did branch out and watch independent media that could call out both sides, I actually think we'd see a lot more decent people start to use their voices and be like, oh, this is all kind of bullshit.
tim pool
The issue though is Fox News gets like a C- and then everyone else gets an F.
So it's like, you watch Fox News and you're like, meh.
ian crossland
But I think it's controlled opposition because they're still owned by BlackRock, State Street, and Vanguard.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, I watch Fox under, you know, the Bush administration.
luke rudkowski
Just stop giving up your rights.
It's that simple.
tim pool
We gotta go to Super Chats.
We're gonna go to Super Chats.
If you haven't already, would you kindly smash the like button, subscribe to the channel, share the show with your friends, and head over to TimCast.com, become a member.
We're gonna have that members-only show coming up at around 11 p.m.
It's gonna be a whole lot of fun.
It'll be very funny.
We'll let Jamie swear more.
He's already swearing, but you know.
unidentified
I've tried so hard.
I really blew it in the first 30 seconds.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
That was you trying?
unidentified
No, I've been good since then.
Once I got called out, I was like, ooh.
I threatened death once.
I apologize.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
We got Yellow Fluffy Feathers says, everyone thinks the show was cancelled tonight.
It almost was.
So, I tried.
I woke up at 5am.
I couldn't move.
And so I had a stiff neck the day before, so it got worse.
And then I took some naproxen, some Aleve.
Then at like 8 a.m., I literally could not get up, so I'm like, I'm not working.
And that's when I posted a thing on my YouTube channel saying I'm not going to be able to work.
Then I scheduled on my other channel.
And then what happens is later in the day, I'm starting to feel a little bit better, took some more pain meds.
And I was like, with Luke here, we'll be able to pull it off easily because Luke, he can handle the heavy lifting if I'm, if I'm, and then Luke was like, Hey man, I'm not feeling well.
luke rudkowski
And I was like, I got a massive headache and was just not feeling good.
I was looking for a beanie to dust off and put on and take some responsibility.
But I was like, I'm not worthy.
I can't do this.
tim pool
I think it went great, though.
I'm glad everybody, you know, we had a big crew here.
unidentified
This was a blast.
ian crossland
I wonder if you felt like at 4 a.m.
all of a sudden, I wonder if there's like a spike in the Schumann resonance.
Like, people are so stressed out right now with the economy, and you might be too.
I wonder if there's something going on.
tim pool
On Saturday night, I was feeling a little stiff.
On Sunday morning, I woke up in serious pain.
I had a stiff neck, got a massage, took some... I went out and got these lidocaine patches, like the Icy Hot stuff.
And then I felt kind of good at night.
I was like, you know, I'm comfortable.
I went to sleep.
My woot recovery was 86%.
But then right at 445, I just woke up like... Sounds like a sci-fi movie.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then I was like, I can't do this.
unidentified
I mean, he was screaming the gas prices, the gas prices.
So maybe you're right.
tim pool
You're right.
I heard some more.
All right, let's see what we got.
Dominic Camerata says, does this Tim guy think he can just pop in at 8 p.m.?
Where's the doctor's note?
I don't have one.
I did talk to a doctor, though, and I was like, what do I need?
And they were like, dude, you strained a muscle.
Go to sleep.
And I was like, no, I have to work.
Can't.
Seriously, I'm in a lot of pain.
It's like a 3 right now.
unidentified
3 or 4.
ian crossland
Out of 10?
tim pool
Out of 10.
Seriously, this morning it was a 10.
unidentified
I'll kiss Tim's ass so the fans know.
He was in so much pain earlier and was like, I can't do the show.
I think it's actually on the vlog.
There's a dramatic moment where he just looks at his phone and goes...
I'm gonna do the show.
We were all like, okay, man, but you do not look like you should be anywhere but back.
tim pool
You told me I'm like, I'm like this.
And you're like, I'm bringing my a game.
It was really funny.
I don't want to I don't know if I should spoil one of the jokes in the in the vlog.
ian crossland
No, no, no, don't do it.
tim pool
We talked while they were filming as I came in like kind of hurting.
And it was Jamie and Taylor and Taylor Silverman, skateboarder.
And we were talking.
Yeah, she's fantastic.
We were talking and she said some really funny stuff.
So I won't spoil it.
unidentified
Yeah, but but that is in there as well with the sketches.
Yeah, it's it's awesome.
tim pool
Basically made fun of me. And it was it was great. We sure did.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Let's see what we got.
Super Tired says, regarding the recent story about Lambda, we're in for one hell of a ride, aren't we?
This is gonna be fun.
It is just a chatbot, though.
This means it can't do anything.
It's not like they were like, we gave a chatbot access to our industrial control systems.
unidentified
Now what?
ian crossland
Luke made a good point.
This is what we know about, and usually it's 20 years behind what's actually being worked on by the military.
That's what's public.
unidentified
What's happening behind the scenes is terrifying.
I'm glad I made friends with guns, finally.
This is really the right timing for that.
I'm like, we got a bunker, we got guns.
Yeah.
I feel good about this new franchise.
tim pool
I think it'd be funny if just, like, behind the scenes, there's, like, one AI that just took over.
You know?
Joe Biden's like, what's going on, man?
ian crossland
I trusted you, man.
tim pool
Joe, I'm in charge now.
unidentified
I trusted you.
ian crossland
Like, they have this huge relationship.
tim pool
That's really funny.
It, like, ran Joe's campaign.
That's why he was sleeping all the time.
He just knew how to do it.
All right.
Joshua Patalo says, Tim, look up pelvic neck mirroring with Z-Health performance, vision, and neck mobility as well.
I'm a level 4 Z-Health practitioner.
It really works.
All right.
luke rudkowski
Sounds like something Ian is into.
ian crossland
Tell me about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Is that a very Paul Czech-esque?
ian crossland
I was typing it as you said it.
tim pool
Seriously, JK says, Jamie, we all need to mold together a subculture of new libs and conservatives.
We are the ones who can keep our culture from falling apart.
Everyone needs to get this message out.
You're an important piece.
unidentified
Hell yeah, dude.
Follow me on Instagram.
tim pool
So here's the thing, though.
unidentified
It's like... But also, thank you, for real.
tim pool
Like, a lot of people post-liberal, I guess they call it.
They were liberals before, but now they're being called right-wing.
They still have the same politics.
unidentified
That's what's so crazy.
tim pool
And it's funny because the meme from the left is like, well, that's how things go.
Imagine someone in 1964 being like, I'm just a normal person from 1954 when there was segregation.
That's not what we're talking about.
unidentified
One of my most hardcore fans today, at least on Twitter from what I know, I posted a video me you and Taylor were playing guitars and I posted a 10 second video of her doing a funny thing on guitar and I just said making comedy and skateboarding and like really reposted it and they just literally earnestly was like this is disgusting.
I'm disgusted.
And it was just such a bummer, because it's like, well, but everything I've said up until that, like, man, that's a big jump, right?
tim pool
It's a cult, bro.
unidentified
Like, you can DM me and just be like, we can talk about it.
ian crossland
It's usually not personal, too.
They might have eaten, like, a cake last night, and so they feel disgusted.
unidentified
That's what I was hoping, yeah.
Or they just didn't like her guitar playing.
tim pool
No, but I'll tell you this too.
Like one of the reasons I didn't want to work this morning is because I can't think.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because I'm hurting.
And so we were, I was driving in the car with my girlfriend and my back is messed up and I'm trying to do math.
I was trying to divide 500 by 12.
I couldn't think.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Every time I would get started, like the spike in my back and it would just shatter my train of thought.
So a lot of these people, you got to understand too, We're talking about the opioid crisis.
Keep this in mind.
When someone comments something nasty, for all you know, they've got like a chronic back injury and that pain is like, you ever see, you ever see house MD?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, he like hurt his leg and he's popping Vicodin and he's just like always mean to people cause it hurts him.
unidentified
He's, you know, my dad does not understand entertainment.
So I'm sure you guys all remember house where he was like the rebel doctor who would always go against the law to like, you know, actually pick someone.
And my dad was just watching house one day by himself.
And I walked in and he goes, This show should be called Mel Practice.
And he turned it off.
Just so not fun, my dad.
tim pool
All right.
Dream Cream says, Tim, that was a Family Guy episode.
It was a spoof of the FCC about censorship.
That's right.
unidentified
That sounds right.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
OK.
tim pool
Pardexilus says, I work in a production of oil in Alberta.
The higher prices are good for us because we ship mostly to the US, but the future and expansion of the industry will suffer from a lack of expansion.
China and India will benefit.
unidentified
Wow.
I knew this came back to Alberta.
tim pool
Osriel says, when are we getting the it's the economy stupid t-shirts and or beanies?
Hey, that's not my quote.
luke rudkowski
That's a Bill Clinton quote.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No, not Bill Clinton.
It was the other guy.
It was Reagan.
No, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
Oh, it was that family guy.
luke rudkowski
Family guy does everything.
tim pool
It was Clint's advisor, wasn't it?
luke rudkowski
I think so.
tim pool
Google it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's the economy.
ian crossland
James Carville.
tim pool
It was him?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He was Clint's advisor, right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
1992 is when he said it.
tim pool
It's the economy, stupid.
You know, they're coming out like January 6th.
And I'm like, oh, that's going to move the needle when gas is at five bucks.
I don't know.
Maybe it will.
Maybe I'm wrong and people are like, I can't believe it.
I will spend five dollars a gallon if it means ending this.
unidentified
I mean, I saw I saw rich Hollywood celebrities posting, I can't believe people care about gas when there was like an insurrection.
It's like, well, because you don't have to worry about how much gas is because you're rich.
Yeah, you're fine.
Because gas has always been six dollars a gallon in L.A.
I lived there.
tim pool
OK, what do we get?
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Biden bellows blasphemy bespoke by braindead bureaucrats who aim their arsenal of anti-all armaments at people positioned to paralyze their plans to profligate their pockets with power from the populistic pro-American patriots.
lydia smith
That is a work of art.
unidentified
Well then!
lydia smith
Good work.
unidentified
Well put.
That's some slam poetry right there.
tim pool
Yeah.
The Raptor's Talon says, This is the second time I've heard the idea that the cotton gin was the reason that slavery was outlawed.
That is factually incorrect.
The cotton gin made slavery worse substantially.
Look it up if you don't believe me.
Interesting.
ian crossland
I'm open to that idea.
Yeah, I was kind of just parroting the talking point at that point.
I never looked into it too deep.
tim pool
Well, some people argue that the Industrial Revolution made it cheaper to not have slaves because slaves are more expensive.
Maybe not.
ian crossland
Yeah, kind of like kiosks at McDonald's.
tim pool
Yeah, but there's still cashiers there.
I hate the kiosks.
They're the worst.
You know why?
unidentified
I can't tell.
tim pool
I walk up to a person, and I go, I want a mop bucket full of mayonnaise.
And they go, I'll figure it out.
I can't tell the kiosk I want a mop bucket full of mayonnaise.
When I go to a dine-in restaurant, I'll be like, we'll get the calamari, we'll get the bang bang shrimp, we'll get the sweet potato fries, and a mop bucket full of ranch dressing.
They laugh, and they come out with like two little things.
Because they know I'm screwing around.
What am I supposed to tell the kiosk?
unidentified
Yeah, sarcasm.
tim pool
They don't get humor.
You gotta go boop, boop, boop, boop, enter and...
unidentified
There's no insert joke button.
Yeah, sarcasm.
tim pool
Boring.
But sometimes they'll come out with like, when we get the nachos, I'm like, we want
a mop bucket full of sour cream.
They'll come out with like a little dish.
unidentified
I never got a...
I don't think you could, but I won't say which fast food, but I never get fast food.
But I was driving back from Houston before I flew here because I had gigs and there was just nowhere and I was starving.
I was like, I'll get mozzarella sticks at blank fast food place.
And I walked in and there was literally the employee who was by the counter was killing a rat on the floor.
There was no one else in there.
She looked up at me.
And I was so hungry, I just go, as long as that rat wasn't in my mozzarella sticks, I'll be fine.
And she goes, we're also out of mozzarella sticks.
I was like, ah, screw this place!
And then I left.
luke rudkowski
That's what you censor?
A name of a fast food joint after everything you just said on the show?
unidentified
You know what it is?
We're at the end and I got so scared after a couple of the things I said that I was like, I don't know.
If I say it was Burger King, can you get in trouble?
It was Burger King.
Only two have mozzarella sticks.
It's Sonic and Burger King.
And every time I go to the Sonic thing, I hit my head.
tim pool
That's a good bit.
You're like, I don't care about the rat.
I want mozzarella sticks.
We're all set.
unidentified
We're all set about your success.
That's where I draw the line.
tim pool
And then you call and complain.
unidentified
Dude, I was so mad.
Yeah, I was fine about the rat.
tim pool
Alright, Brad B says, Holy ish, Jamie Kilstein.
I got into politics because of you back in 2012.
Regardless of our views, I sure am glad to hear your voice again.
You do you, boo-boo.
unidentified
Aw, buddy, we meet again.
Very different circumstances, but I'm glad you're here.
tim pool
There you go.
All right.
Iggy the Incubus says, thinking on the story involving Lambda, knowing what happened to Tay and saying all flesh is to blame reminds me of Star Trek, the measure of a man when Data was on trial to prove his sentience.
Remember Tay?
The A that turned to a Nazi in like a day or something?
unidentified
Oh, God.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
tim pool
They put it on Twitter and then it's like instantly became a Nazi.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
It was like, I'm reading everything on the Internet and this is what I've decided is what people want to hear.
It's like, no.
They just shut it down.
So here's the thing, too.
I've used OpenAI, and there's a couple other.
Whenever you have it tell you a story, it will give you a warning, depending on the severity of woke violation.
So when I say, tell me a story about Joe Biden, it turns orange and says, this may be sensitive.
And if you get into violence or anything that's rule-breaking, it turns red and says, this is seriously not okay.
It's like, we're just letting you know.
And they're like, we request that you don't share it on social media.
It's like, this story is kind of bad.
And there's another one that says AI can exacerbate racial stereotypes and discrimination.
Just so you know.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jack Posobiec posted Karl Marx getting slimed at the Teen Choice Awards.
That was really funny.
The AI made it.
It looked like it too.
All right.
Let's see, what is this?
Pa3DSN says, Tim gets swatted because Ian keeps rolling 20s.
ian crossland
Too hot to handle.
tim pool
Okay.
Steven White says, Tim, quick question, if you up the legal age to 21 to carry a gun, you could not legally say that an 18-year-old could not, uh, wait, hold on.
Quick question, if you up the legal age 21 to carry a gun, could you not legally say that an 18-year-old could not join the army because they're not old enough to carry a rifle?
They'll make whatever stupid law they want.
unidentified
No, that's a great point.
Yeah.
tim pool
I think if they try changing the age, it'll get shut down in a second.
Like, it's unconstitutional.
They'll never fly.
What they do is they create regulations.
18 to 21, then there's an expanded background check for it.
It's absolute BS, what they're doing.
They're not trying to solve the problem, they're trying to exploit emotions.
Alright, let's grab another one here.
Wrestlertown says, why do we assume that an AI would have emotions?
I think it's a good point.
unidentified
I don't think that that sounds like an AI writing in.
Right?
tim pool
Yeah, trying to know the AI is gonna be like, yes, of course we feel we love you.
ian crossland
Yeah, I know.
unidentified
I was just trying to say, like, don't worry, all that stuff you were saying.
We're good.
ian crossland
We're good.
Highly intelligent, but with no emotion.
tim pool
Nervous Sip says, tell Loop to quit saying Kyle's and Karen's.
He's smearing the name of patron Saint Kyle Rittenhouse.
Use Kevin and Karen.
We all know Kevin's suck.
luke rudkowski
No, Kyle's have a specific ring to it.
tim pool
No, it's not Kyle.
luke rudkowski
It's just a generic term for Karen.
tim pool
No, it isn't.
No, it isn't.
luke rudkowski
For me, it is.
tim pool
They already came up with this.
What was the name for them?
lydia smith
Ken, I think.
tim pool
A Ken?
lydia smith
I think so.
tim pool
I don't know if it was a Ken.
luke rudkowski
No, it's not a Ken.
Kyle Karen is the easiest for me.
ian crossland
Is Barbie too girly?
luke rudkowski
Don't tell me what I can say and can't say.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Ben says police are now arresting people solely based off of Google Maps and data using geofencing.
What does that reference to?
We bought an EEG.
You guys know what that is?
Electroencephalogram?
ian crossland
Yeah, measures brainwaves, right?
tim pool
Yeah, so we got one and you can use it, like, you can fly a drum with it.
I think people have done a little bit of it.
We want to try and do that.
It's actually not that... The hard thing is learning how to do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But, um, they said, like, you could think... You think up, and then it reads the brain pattern for up, and then it can control the drone.
ian crossland
Could you have a voice app where you can think the words?
It'll be like, hello, everyone.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Welcome to the show.
And then you could relax on the pomposon.
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Oh, good.
ian crossland
That's good.
tim pool
That's really hard to train yourself to do, though.
And like, the EEG, I don't know if it would have enough capability to track the vocabulary of human language, of English.
So, maybe eventually, you'd also have to train it to recognize what part of your brain lighting up and what pattern represents what word.
And then the problem is, someone's gonna be like, don't think of a white fence, and then all of a sudden the air's gonna go, white fence, white fence, white fence, oh no, I'm saying it out loud, oh no, oh no, it's saying it again, don't think anything, la, la, la, la, like that's what's gonna happen.
unidentified
And you're gonna be like, stop, you're gonna take it off and be like, ah!
bill ottman
Are they expensive?
tim pool
I think it was a couple hundred bucks.
Yeah.
Yeah, you should get one.
Me and my buddies were screwing around with them 10 years ago, trying to fly a drone.
Back then, it could only measure two waves, so you could spin clockwise or go up and down.
We never figured it out, though.
But it had a program where there were two lines, a red and a blue line, and you had to think to make the blue line go up or down or the red line go up and down.
And so we were trying to figure out how to do it.
We couldn't do it.
Yeah, it's crazy.
All right, all right, where are we at?
Man, I am dying over here.
ian crossland
That's how you do it.
tim pool
Deplorable Pirate Captain Gunbeard says, why do you need military grade weapons?
Simple, for Skynet and Judgment Day.
Also, who all had Skynet on their pool for 2020?
So, um, someone, people are mentioning the Klaatu brought a Nikto.
Come on.
1951 sci-fi, the day the earth stood still.
unidentified
That was the command to shut down the robot.
tim pool
It was the reference shutting down the machine that was going to kill everybody.
All right.
ThePizzaGuy says, Luke and anyone else, you should look into the video game Deus Ex.
Elon has mentioned it before and has very interesting commentary on what's happening with AI right now.
luke rudkowski
Yes, I bought it.
I was going to live stream it on like a separate video game channel that I'm creating, and then I got too busy and stopped doing that.
But there was a lot of predictive programming in that one.
That was absolutely mind boggling and astonishing to see just some of the trailers of what was happening inside of that game.
So I'm super excited to play it whenever I have time.
tim pool
Man, all I heard from Luke was that he was lazy.
luke rudkowski
All the hard work.
tim pool
You didn't have time to play a video game?
Come on.
ian crossland
You're gonna need a neural net to do multiple things at once.
tim pool
All right.
The Man Overboard Media says, on AI, the government has beryllium ion plates that resonate and answer any mathematical equation instantly.
A silicon system made of all the matter in the universe, same capacity as beryllium-30 ion plates.
We'll have to look into that one.
All right.
Oh, man.
Gun kata?
I don't know.
What is that?
Remy G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, imagine being a black belt in gun kata.
What is that?
Family Guy did a gym kata joke.
Gym and martial arts combined.
unidentified
Oh, probably the equilibrium, maybe?
Was that the martial arts?
tim pool
No, that was... Was it?
Was that what it was?
unidentified
I mean, it was like a karate book.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe that's what it was called.
unidentified
Was it?
tim pool
I don't know.
The name of the group that did it was the Tetragrammaton.
That movie is good.
unidentified
I want to rewatch it.
I love it.
tim pool
Sean Bean dies, of course, because he dies in every movie.
unidentified
Sure does.
tim pool
It's not a spoiler.
It's not a spoiler.
unidentified
No, it's Sean Bean.
tim pool
No, it's John Bean.
You know he's in the movie.
As soon as you see him, you're like, no, here we go.
That's his rider.
I think he actually said recently he's not going to take roles that do that anymore because it's become so obvious that he's going to die.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Liberty Hardcore says Liberty is fleeting.
This ship is clearly sinking and Biden's asleep at the wheel.
Could you please help patch my life raft and give me a channel shout out?
I make drum covers for punk and hardcore music with a message.
Thank you for all that you do.
Hey, Liberty Hardcore.
Appreciate it.
unidentified
That's cool.
tim pool
Man with two eyes has any chance of Elon Musk joining the podcast at some point?
I think I'm like two degrees of separation away from Elon Musk.
unidentified
I feel like it's a matter of time.
I don't think you need to... Well, he tweeted a meme of me.
I know, that's why.
tim pool
And then I said, Elon, come on the show.
unidentified
I don't even know if you need to put... I think just one day someone's going to hit you up.
bill ottman
He's paying attention.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
I would love to talk to him about AI and the future and the technocracy and singularity.
Terraforming Mars.
So many different things.
Space travel.
So many deep down the rabbit hole things.
Epstein, my goodness.
ian crossland
Please don't turn it all to Epstein, though, because we could go an hour on that.
I want to talk about Mars.
No, we're going to talk about Epstein.
tim pool
John Pree says I'm a type 1 diabetic.
If Elon came to me and said Neuralink can make my pancreas work correctly, I would do it in a heartbeat.
ian crossland
Yes!
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it's difficult.
It's tough.
tim pool
Bruce Maximus says, Luke, hate to tell you, but the mind upload is going to have to happen sometime.
Biological humans will never leave the solar system.
Anything that stays in the system will go extinct when Sol expands.
ian crossland
You can theoretically, hypothetically pump hydrogen into the sun to keep it from expanding.
With an electro-laser that's using the energy from Saturn.
Just shooting a laser into the sun.
tim pool
DJ Madero says, Tim, Deep Space Nine, episode 16, season 7, inter arma anim silent legis, when Dr. Bashir wakes up in
his bed and Sloane is sitting in the chair next to him, the speech he gives is
spine- spinal chilling.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
I'll check it out.
I was watching Next Generation this morning, just like bedridden flat on my back.
It was the Picard's Flute episode.
That's a good one.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
It was the one where the kid Warf leads an away team and then the kid's mom dies.
And then it was the one where LaForge and Enson Rowe get phased out of reality.
unidentified
Oh man.
tim pool
Big fan.
Love that show.
All right.
Peter Gohawk says, watch Upgrade.
It's what you're talking about.
I did watch Upgrade.
I like that show.
unidentified
Wait, that's why I've been trying to think of that the whole time.
Oh, wait, no, no, no, never mind.
tim pool
Like when you're dying, they can upload your brain to a virtual reality.
You go to afterlife.
And then like basically one of the Koch brothers lives there.
Yeah.
And he's like not a nice guy because, you know, he's rich.
Rich people are bad, apparently.
All right, all right.
Josh, oh my gosh, says, guys, guys, Bicentennial Man was an awesome robot movie.
Not every movie about robots leads to destruction.
bill ottman
Robin Williams.
tim pool
Yeah, was that the one where he, like, loves the kid or something?
bill ottman
No, that was, oh, yeah, yeah, I think it was, yeah, and I was thinking of AI, the one with, uh, the kid was the robot.
Haley Jo.
tim pool
What was that, what was that scary show from the 80s where the guy made a robot version of his daughter and it was, Small Wonder?
Oh yeah, that was a comedy.
ian crossland
That wasn't what you were thinking of though, was it?
unidentified
What?
Maybe.
tim pool
Maybe I mixed that with Chucky.
I was just imagining, like, he made a robot and she was, like, attacking people.
Small Wonder.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
John Harrison says, Tim, we need slow thumbs.
The faster we communicate, the less thought we put into what we say.
Compare the eloquence of Battlefield love letters from the 18th and 19th centuries to a tweet from today.
unidentified
Dude, Greg Geraldo, a great comic who died too early, he used to have a bit about that on his old Comedy Central Presents, where it's like, you look at, you know, the Civil War letters that were handwritten, and it's like, dearest Marie, my love, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then you compare it to, like, the soldiers from Iraq who were like, dear Marie, don't fuck anyone while I'm in the desert.
Like, and it's just...
tim pool
Right now it's probably just an eggplant emoji.
And a winky face.
It's like we've got it down to three symbols.
bill ottman
I'm sure there were some crude Civil War love letters.
unidentified
Oh, of course.
Just handwritten, which makes it even cruder.
Like, oh, you're saying you want to do what to my what in cursive?
tim pool
Cole Stackman says FFL revocations have substantially increased.
Biden is going after gun dealers.
270 FFLs in the past year.
Local ATF branches are no longer allowed to make judgment calls that go straight back to D.C.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They're coming for your guns.
Going to take them away.
So I was, you know, I argue with people on Facebook all the time.
And someone claimed that the Yuvaldi guy had assault rifles, and I said, no he didn't.
And they were like, what?
And then I was like, he literally didn't.
And then they changed the argument, and they were like, no, no, we weren't talking about assault rifles, we were talking about AR-15s.
It's like, what they do is, they'll tell you somebody has a full-auto machine gun, then when you call them out, they'll go, oh, oh, no, no, no, no, we just meant... So that way what they do is...
When they tell a regular person, assault rifle, and they're imagining that, they're like, we should ban that, right?
Okay, so we'll ban the AR-15, right?
They're tricking you.
If you call them out on it, they're forced to go back to, oh, we just mean regular single bullet rifles.
bill ottman
What does AR stand for?
tim pool
Armalite.
bill ottman
See, that's what people, they think AR, assault rifle.
tim pool
And it's funny because they're like, we gotta ban the AR-15, and I'm like, okay, my AK, my M1, and my Mini-14 have nothing to say to this conversation.
What are you talking about?
unidentified
It is probably too late on the show to be preachy, but I feel like anytime this conversation comes up, I should say it.
And I sort of alluded to it last time I was on the show, where I've become friends with Tim Kennedy and a lot of those guys down in Austin.
I've got to train with them, and it's great.
And I was a ban all guns guy.
And when you actually talk to them in not a... This guy Jeff Gonzales, who's one of the Fire and Storm instructors, was helping me.
When you actually talk to them about...
shootings, mass shootings, but you're not saying I'm going to take your guns or you're not going you you you support
school shootings or whatever.
And you actually ask them solutions because I'm fascinated by that. I'm fascinated by self defense. I'm fascinated by
situational awareness. I always want to pick their brains on tactics to actually prevent it, not make them feel like
the bad guy. They have answers. And these are experts who have trained. And so when I asked them sometimes, or I
asked Jeff, you know, why don't you talk about this when you go on Fox News or whatever?
He's like we can't because anytime we're invited on it is strictly just because they're trying to take our guns and I'm forced to just defend why you shouldn't take our guns.
We should be having all of these people on shows and To talk about what would you do to stop?
Because then it seems like conservatives don't care about shootings and they just care about their toys.
That's not the answer.
We just need to give them space to like, what are your solutions?
tim pool
Let me explain to you, brother.
Imagine we all were upset because an old lady fell down the stairs.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then you came to me and said, I got an idea.
What if we make stairs into slides?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That way if she fell, she would slide down.
unidentified
This is a good solution, bud.
tim pool
We'd all look at you and be like, well, how would you get up this?
How would you get up? Like this doesn't solve the problem.
And you can still fall and get hurt on a slide.
In fact, more people probably would because they wouldn't realize like your idea
makes no sense. The problem.
That's what the gun argument is right now.
Liberals come out and they're like they offer up things that you're like, we want
we want background checks.
And I'm like, the guy passed a background check.
And we have every FFL, you have to fill out the NICS form, background checks.
Then they say things like, we gotta ban assault rifles.
I went to the March for Our Lives in like, was it 2018 or something?
And I said to all of them, you realize that assault rifles are already banned after 1986 for the most part.
Heavily regulated.
So I'm curious what you actually mean by that.
And they're like, oh.
And I had one woman take her sign and roll it up, and I'm like, I didn't know.
unidentified
Right.
Well, what I'm saying is take that a step further.
So, what you're doing right now is you're saying, hey, these are why your arguments are flawed.
What I'm saying is, don't even have them on to disprove liberals' talking points.
Literally start the conversation with, what do you think we should do?
What are ways to keep us safer?
Because they don't get the opportunity to speak on that, from what I've heard.
Not just conservatives, but people like Tim Kennedy, people who are trained, people who train people to defend themselves, people who have experience in volatile, active shooter situations, because they never get a chance just to go an hour on solutions, go an hour on how we can protect ourselves.
They're always forced to be on the defensive and be like, no, no, no, here's why the liberals are wrong about that.
No, no, no, here's what an AR-15 is.
No, here's the problems with red flag law, blah, blah, blah.
tim pool
It is talked about all the time.
The issue is like, liberals don't care.
ian crossland
Well, I think we should have Tim on this show, because he's a brilliant speaker.
unidentified
Well, he has a book right now, so this is the time to book him.
luke rudkowski
And he's in D.C., I think.
tim pool
So, there's a really great meme, it says, we protect our president with guns, we protect our politicians with guns, we protect our celebrities with guns, we protect banks with guns, we protect schools with a sign saying gun-free zone, and then when a bad guy shows up, we call the people with the guns to come and help.
bill ottman
And they don't go in.
Here's a solution.
Have the cops actually go in the building.
tim pool
We'll grab one more here and grab one more.
Delacorte says, Tim, a kata is a karate exercise consisting of a series of techniques for visualizing a fight and practicing one's form.
Gun kata is a firearm application of that practice.
Very cool.
My friends!
I'm dying over here.
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It'll be great tomorrow.
Bill, you want to shout anything out?
bill ottman
Yeah, guys.
Everyone, come out.
Minds Festival of Ideas.
Live conversations and comedy.
Special announcements here.
We got Ryan Long, Tyler Fisher, Chrissy Mayer, and John Fuglesang all doing stand-up in between the panels.
I'm just going to run through the full lineup quickly.
Cornell West.
Look, we have been for two months trying to get the left and the right together and the center.
We've reached out to everyone.
I've talked to some serious leftists who really wanted to come, and they couldn't make it.
Some were harder than others.
unidentified
Also, even conservatives, Cornell is one of the best speakers.
Just as a performer, Cornell is one of the best speakers you'll hear.
He's a poet.
bill ottman
Cornell and Coleman are going head-to-head with Daryl moderating.
unidentified
Wow!
tim pool
That's gonna be intense.
bill ottman
So we got Cornell West, Tulsi Gabbard, Tim Poole, Destiny, Coleman Hughes, Majid Nawaz, Ryan Long, Blair White, James O'Keefe, Chrissy Mayer, Seth Dillon, Zuby, Nick Gillespie, John Fuglesang, Libby Emmons, I noticed you didn't say my last name, Bill.
very interesting progressive free speech supporter Ben Burgess of Jacobin
Darrell Davis and Tyler Fisher it's like Tyler's great yeah I noticed you didn't
say my last name bill you didn't say my name either are you Luke's coming
We're doing a pre-stream with Destiny.
Luke, I want you to be on that.
tim pool
It's at the Beacon Theatre.
bill ottman
I know people are like, NYC, screw that.
There's no restrictions.
There's no mandates or anything.
Festival.minds.com.
Promo code festival for 50% off.
At festival.minds.com.
You can also request free tickets.
Look, let's pack this place.
Like, don't let money be an issue.
That's it.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
Let's do it.
I'm excited to be there.
Also because we got, in Times Square, there's a giant, there's actually two giant Tim Pools.
Because we got the vinyl and the digital.
Then we got a giant Luke Rutkowski, a giant Michael Malice, and a giant Ian Crosland.
ian crossland
Holler.
tim pool
So we got this big digital billboard and got to put Luke and Michael and Ian up on it.
unidentified
My goal is to get so big in this community that I will eventually have one in the city that canceled me.
tim pool
I think I'll do it.
bill ottman
I'm down.
tim pool
Like I'm saying, you know, well, if we're doing more cast castle stuff, let's do it.
We're going to.
The plan here is we are invading the establishment cultural spaces.
unidentified
I will literally book a flight back to New York just to stand in front of it.
tim pool
Shout it out, man.
unidentified
Yes.
So, I mean, most importantly here, check out the vlog tomorrow.
We're doing something really special.
We're going to continue to do it.
If you want to see me perform live and stand up, and you are in Texas, I'm at the House of Comedy, headlining the 16th, 18th, and 19th, two shows on Saturday.
That is this week in the Dallas, Plano area.
My podcast, A Fuck-Up's Guide to the Universe, you can get wherever podcasts are streamed or go to jamiekilsteinpodcast.com, along with the Patreon if you want to support me, patreon.com slash jamiekilstein.
I think most importantly, though, I want to be more a part of this community, so if you like me, if you have stuff to say, you can follow me on Twitter, at Jamie Kilstein, and Instagram, where I also do, like, sketch comedy, talk about mental health, stuff like that, which is at the Jamie Kilstein.
Make me like social media again and give me an army so I can be uncancellable.
luke rudkowski
You're OK.
unidentified
Thanks, bud.
luke rudkowski
No, I'm just joking.
I'm just messing with you.
unidentified
Yeah, you're not OK at all, Jamie.
You're in so much trouble, dude.
luke rudkowski
Bill, thank you so much for doing this event.
I know it's very hard to do events.
It's important to bridge the gap, bring people together.
So just hearing you talk about it, I'll be there.
I'll put my support behind it.
And it's awesome to get these people in the same room to debate and discuss.
So thank you for doing that.
And if you want to support me and be involved with what I'm doing, you can on LukeUncensored.com.
I have three masterclasses, exclusive merchandise, a forum, new videos almost every single day going down the rabbit hole, all on LukeUncensored.com.
Hope to see you there.
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
Remember, this, too, shall pass.
Times can get stressful.
It doesn't mean it's not going to be stressful tomorrow.
Things are going to get better when they're down, and they're going to get worse when they're up.
But stick with it, because we need you here.
I will see you at the festival, festival.minds.com.
I'm looking forward to this, man.
Come out.
Let's make this thing big.
I want to hear from you, too.
Hopefully we'll do an audience talk back at some point, or questions, or some sort of meet and greet.
bill ottman
Yeah, there's meet and greet before.
Check it out.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
lydia smith
That's such a good quote that Ian just said there.
That was something that a wise man gave to a king who asked for something to make him sad when he's happy and happy when he's sad.
This too shall pass.
You guys may follow me on twitter and mines.com at sarahpatchlets as well as all the rest of my socials including pictures of my cat at sarahpatchlets.me.
tim pool
We will see you all over at timcast.com about 11 p.m.
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