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Timcast IRL - Poll Says Young Democrat Men REJECT Feminism SHOCKING Feminists w/Dr Chloe Carmichael
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tim pool
you last night we talked a little bit about this
There's a poll that was produced by the Southern Poverty Law Center and another organization they teamed up on it.
In it, they find that young men of both political parties think feminism has done more harm than good.
And that's fascinating.
I also thought it was interesting that this study comes out around the same time as the Daily Wire's What is a Woman?
Where we're basically learning that a lot of these ideas are becoming extremely unpopular, even among young Democrats.
So today, we're going to talk a whole lot about modern feminism, where it's at, why young men feel this way.
We're going to talk about the ideas presented in What Is A Woman from The Daily Wire.
We've got the top psychologists talking about how half of their patients are trans kids.
And we'll explore modern feminism and why people are so angry about it.
And I want to talk about families.
Because we've got this article talking about how it's time to have Tamagotchi children.
They're talking about young people who shouldn't have kids, probably because of climate change, should have robo-AI children instead, which is just very, very creepy.
But I think it'll be fun.
It's a Friday night.
We're going to talk about a lot of really important ideas.
And joining us to discuss this is Dr. Chloe Carmichael.
unidentified
Hi.
tim pool
Would you like to introduce yourself?
dr chloe carmichael
Sure, so I'm Dr. Chloe Carmichael, clinical psychologist and author of Nervous Energy, Harness the Power of Your Anxiety, and Dr. Chloe's Ten Commandments of Dating.
I was a yoga teacher before I was a psychologist and I'm also a wife and a mom.
tim pool
Alright, well we have a clinical psychologist to talk to us about what it means to be a woman and all those other things, so thank you for joining.
dr chloe carmichael
My pleasure.
tim pool
We got Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Got another expert here.
I'm a cartoonist.
Um, so I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes.
We just uploaded a video like, was any of that?
We just uploaded a video like, uh, two days ago that, or yesterday that I think you guys will really enjoy.
And, uh, we've got a website, freedomtunes.com.
If you want to become a member, they're five bucks a month.
You'll get extra cartoons every month, an extra cartoon a week, and then behind the scenes stuff as well.
ian crossland
Hey guys, Ian Crosland in the house.
What's up?
I watched about 30 minutes of What Is A Woman so far.
I'm really excited to talk about what I've seen.
unidentified
Only 30?
ian crossland
Yeah, not yet.
I launched into it about 6.30.
And I want to talk to you a little bit about your book.
Well, hopefully more than a little bit about your book, Chloe, because I wonder how to harness that nervous energy myself sometimes.
Maybe we can get down on that later.
dr chloe carmichael
Sounds good.
lydia smith
And I am also here in the corner pushing buttons trying to adjust all the volumes properly for all my guests.
Thank you very much for joining us tonight, Chloe.
I'm very excited to learn what a woman is.
I did watch a documentary, but they were not big on answers.
tim pool
Well, Matt Walsh was.
lydia smith
Yeah, he sure was.
tim pool
Well, unsurprisingly, ladies and gentlemen, today's show is actually sponsored by The Daily Wire and What Is A Woman.
Go to whatisawoman.com.
You know, I'm just gonna say this.
Guys, Daily Wire, I can't believe you paid me to promote this, because I was already a fan of it and I was already shouting it out.
So when they were told, like, oh, The Daily Wire would like it if you shouted out whatisawoman.com, I was like, I'm already doing that, but I'll take the money!
No, it really is really well produced.
It's really well paced.
It's really, really entertaining.
And it's actually kind of scary in a lot of ways.
Matt Walsh goes on a journey to see if the question can be answered, what is a woman?
Talking with a bunch of experts, and unfortunately, they can't seem to give... I don't want to spoil the movie, but you need to see how they respond to the question.
Anger?
Animosity?
Fear?
Yo, it's absolutely ridiculous.
So, check out whatisawoman.com.
Sign up for The Daily Wire.
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I am extremely jealous of this What Is Woman documentary.
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Let's jump into that first story.
We got this one from The Daily Caller.
Paul, young men of both political parties think feminism does more harm than good.
seamus coughlin
Sounds like toxic masculinity to me, Tim.
tim pool
You're right, except Republican women of all ages also really don't like it.
lydia smith
Interesting.
seamus coughlin
Well, but hold on, what is a Republican woman?
tim pool
Well, I suppose if we're talking about identities, a Republican woman is a Republican adult human female.
unidentified
Sounds like circular logic.
tim pool
But a Democrat woman could be something totally different.
seamus coughlin
Well, because now, I mean, look, look.
Obviously we have wonderful progress in this era where a word can mean whatever you want it to mean instead of what it actually means.
And so maybe it's the case, unfortunately, that there's a negative side effect here where men are just saying that they're women, disguising themselves as women, and then telling these pollsters feminism is bad to make us think women oppose it.
tim pool
What if these are Democrat, what if these are Republican men who don't realize because they identify as Democrats that they're not really Democrats?
seamus coughlin
We're not really men.
tim pool
I actually think that's an argument they would entertain.
They're like, well, if a Democrat men says he hates feminism, he's actually a conservative.
lydia smith
There you go.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So he's just wrongly identifying.
ian crossland
My biggest problem with it is that the definition of feminism has changed over the years.
There's actually four to five waves of feminism.
My mother was raised, she raised me kind of as like a second wave feminist, where it was about equality of opportunity for every person.
Didn't really matter what your gender was.
And that was basically it.
It was never like talking down to men.
It never was about making men, because I used to ask it like as a question as a kid.
Does that mean men are bad?
Does it mean women are better?
And she said, no, no.
It's about equality of opportunity for these people.
tim pool
First wave feminism was the, we should get to vote, right?
And second wave feminism was that no more firm, open palm slaps on the behind from men in the workplace kind of stuff.
ian crossland
Essentially.
tim pool
Like equality in the workplace, you know, that, I don't know, 1950s era smoking, you know, guy smoking, like, come here, babe.
That stuff's out.
ian crossland
The sexual revolution, I think, birth control.
dr chloe carmichael
Being able to get credit cards and bank accounts, things like that in the 70s, 60s.
tim pool
That's fascinating, though.
Tell me about that.
dr chloe carmichael
Well, it used to be that women used to have a harder time with that kind of thing, you know, being able to get mortgages and bank accounts and things.
So, you know, when like the Equal Rights Act and everything was able to help us with that.
tim pool
Well, so but do you know why that was?
Was it was it like men at banks were like, babe, you think I'm giving you a loan?
Never gonna happen.
Get out of here.
unidentified
I think that was the 20s, though, by the way, in the 70s, they were hippies, right?
dr chloe carmichael
Yeah, I think that it was, you know, just previously not illegal to discriminate against somebody because of their sex.
And so, you know, maybe for whatever reason, banks just said, you know, well, maybe as a woman, you're gonna have a baby and not pay your loan back or whatever it was, for whatever reason, they just didn't tend to extend credit to women.
tim pool
I think, you know what it probably was?
The woman would go in to get a credit card and they would say, and is your husband okay with this?
And when they were like, my husband doesn't matter, they'd say, well, he pays the bills, doesn't he?
So, you know, before women were as prominent in the workplace or in higher positions, they probably just said, you have lower credit just inherently by not doing these jobs.
dr chloe carmichael
Sure.
unidentified
Could be.
tim pool
Well, this is the kind of feminism that most people are like, yeah, that's cool.
You know, like, you shouldn't discriminate on these ba- Like, it should be your job, it should be your actual credit.
Not, you know, you got boobs, you can't have a credit card.
That seems, like, arbitrary.
ian crossland
The Equal Pay Act, that's from 1963, signed by Kennedy.
I haven't looked too deeply into how it's read, but the Equal Pay Act, it's a labor law, prohibits gender-based wage discrimination.
tim pool
I feel like that was made redundant by the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
ian crossland
Could have been.
Maybe the precursor to that.
tim pool
Yeah.
So now, feminism, you know, probably the reason young men don't like it is that modern feminism is what?
A catch-all term for basically all sorts of weird bigotry, discrimination, rage, even violence?
seamus coughlin
I think even from the get-go though, when there were arguments to be made that women were being treated unfairly in certain respects, the feminist movement was still mostly pushing for the, so to speak, privileges men had rather than the responsibilities even at that time.
So for example, women couldn't vote, they also couldn't be drafted.
Part of why many women didn't want the right to vote at that time is because they thought it was going to come along with a duty to be drafted, which feminists at that time did not argue for while they were arguing for the vote.
tim pool
So you're saying women should be drafted?
seamus coughlin
Well, no.
My point is that I think part of the issue is even from the beginning when we're discussing legitimate issues, feminists were more or less.
They were saying men and women are equal and should be treated equally in every respect, but then they would conveniently ignore the responsibilities men had, which women didn't, and not pursue equality there.
dr chloe carmichael
Yeah, with rights come responsibilities.
I looked it up also just to clarify.
It was 1974, the Equal Credit Opportunity Act to prohibit credit discrimination on gender.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Well, what's your view?
You're the clinical psychologist here.
I'm curious what your thoughts are on modern feminism.
dr chloe carmichael
Yeah, I mean, that's such a loaded issue, right?
I mean, I think, Tim, that probably I kind of go with you in the sense that I'm obviously for equal rights for everybody.
But I think a lot of women actually kind of want the right to be more traditional, the right to be able to Be respected as a woman to be able to recognize that homemaking and housewifery and raising babies that those things actually really matter and you know girls getting kind of pushed into this stuff under the guise of girl power is sometimes not quite so empowering.
Also as a boy mom myself meaning I'm a mom to a son I think also some of this you know girl power stuff has actually gone a little bit too far to the point where It's hurting boys, which is actually also hurting girls to the point where girls don't want to date weak men.
But that's unfortunately what some of this over-the-top girl power stuff seems to be doing.
ian crossland
You say it hurts boys.
What's an example of that that you've seen?
dr chloe carmichael
Well, I mean, so if we are praising and helping girls to the point where, for example, girls are outpacing boys when it comes to college graduation or graduate school, girls are actually also paid more than boys now, on average, upon graduation from college.
So, I mean, these are just a few examples, but obviously also boys' suicide rate is much higher and other types of problems.
And so when we're, you know, just still for whatever reason still focusing on, you know, more federal dollars to help girls in school when in fact it's boys who have a literacy crisis.
So anyway, all of the focus on girls, I think is kind of a little bit superfluous at this point.
tim pool
Well, this sounds like really good news for young chads, right?
If the average man is making less money than the women, they're basically out of the dating pool.
And then the very small proportion of chad young millennial, you know, Gen Z men who are making all the money get all the women.
seamus coughlin
You and you see the problem will you see this all the time whenever there's some Twitter thread that goes viral about
someone who's Using tinder and she finds a guy that she likes and she swipes
on him and then finds out he's been talking to 20 other Girls, it's like well, that's because you swiped on like 99
guys swiped on that one guy And it was the same thing for all the other girls. So he
just had a bunch of options That's what ends up happening when the monogamous social
standards break down. But also I agree with what you're saying
I think it's very interesting because you'll have these nebulous campaigns about how girls are called bossy more often, which isn't really something we can test for, have statistics on, and yet we ignore the fact that boys are put on... I've never heard that.
That's an argument, yeah, but there was a whole campaign, ban bossy, right?
And we were told that we should all kind of like hang our heads in shame because when girls are assertive, they're told they're bossy.
And no one at the same time will talk about the fact that Boys are more likely to be prescribed ADHD medicine in school.
They are literally chemically altered because our public educational system is failing them and no one seems to consider it an issue.
tim pool
Well, we're also chemically altering young girls with birth control en masse.
seamus coughlin
Yes, agreed.
Well, I think that's a problem as well.
Hormonal birth control causes problems that no one's willing to acknowledge.
tim pool
I've never experienced a work environment where people have complained about a female who is bossy.
Like, I've never... I've heard the argument, but I've never been in an environment where I'm, like, at lunch and someone's like, man, that Janet's so bossy.
I've just... it's never happened.
I've heard people be like, my boss is a dick.
And I'd be like, who's your boss?
It's John.
seamus coughlin
I'm like, oh.
tim pool
Or like, who's your... Or it's Janet.
Like, I don't like my boss.
I don't know, it's just, most people don't like their bosses.
You know? I just, it's a weird thing that's like, I wonder if that is in and itself sexism, these assumptions.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well no it is.
tim pool
The assumption of victimhood, the assumption...
I'll tell you something else, man.
I was talking to this guy who produces documentaries, and we were talking about this issue,
and he was like, he told me, he was like, my experience was that whenever we would have pitch meetings,
the women in the meeting room would be giving us stupid ideas.
And then everyone would be getting really frustrated and annoyed with these really dumb ideas.
And then she would complain that no one takes her opinion seriously because she's a woman.
And we try to explain to her, no, it's because your ideas are dumb, but she took it to the female place instead of the bad at her job place.
And you know what it was?
Because she was brought into the room because she was a woman, because they needed diversity.
dr chloe carmichael
It's true.
That can happen.
And then also because women can sometimes be more sensitive to criticism, right?
And if you do criticize that woman's ideas in the boardroom, then, you know, you can get this big reaction of like, you know, well, you know, you're undermining me because I'm a woman or you're not taking me seriously because I'm a woman.
You know, what they're doing, unfortunately, then is depriving themselves of the chance to have real honest feedback and collaboration and even to, you know, engage and spar and develop and improve because they're bringing it all, you know, to being a woman.
And so then nobody does comment.
Nobody wants to say anything unless it's going to be really, you know, nicey nice.
And then they wonder why nobody ultimately goes forward with those ideas.
tim pool
Yep.
I think when you have when you have What's the quota?
Filled roles?
You're gonna see a lot more of this.
Where people who are minorities or women are going to feel like there's racism.
Maybe that's the goal.
Maybe many of these activists want to create this by putting people who are unskilled in positions they're not qualified for, so that they feel inadequate constantly, and then the person can come in and say, oh, that feeling?
Racism.
seamus coughlin
Well, we have to understand this is a very, very serious problem because whenever we talk about the idea of like marginalized communities, whether you're talking about, you know, the alphabet people or you're talking about people who are, you know, minorities because of their ethnic group in this country.
The most serious problem, I think, is the breakdown of the relationship between men and women, because that is the most fundamentally important social relationship that exists.
tim pool
Men are supposed to open pickle jars, and women have babies!
seamus coughlin
That's right!
Those are the rules!
But no, I mean, people will talk about, like, sexism, homophobia, etc., and I think with sexism, unfortunately, whenever there are issues that are addressed with the relationship between the sexes, it's always in one direction.
The conversation can only ever be Women are being treated unfairly and men are bad.
And what's interesting about that is there's actually kind of a kernel of traditionalism and natural law in that because people recognize that it is the role of men to protect women and to care for women and to provide for them.
And so it's sort of bizarre because we have this concoction where we're told that men and women are exactly equal, but also men still have to fulfill this traditional role of being the one who cares for her and protects her.
dr chloe carmichael
And who's tough and has a thick skin.
Like remember that Amber Heard taper, she's like, tell him Johnny, tell him that you were abused.
And she's just like, you know, going...
tim pool
See who believes you.
dr chloe carmichael
Exactly.
And then nobody talks about toxic femininity, of course, but toxic masculinity all the time is this big thing.
So I think you're absolutely right.
It's so much more normalized and comfortable for people, whether it's at school or work or personal lives or whatever, to just trash talk men.
seamus coughlin
I just want to make a point about toxic masculinity.
This is a term which they always fiend confusion over whenever anyone points out that it's offensive.
It is clearly an intentionally provocative phrase.
If you wanted to get authentically masculine men on board with your project, you would not label their bad behavior as a form of masculinity.
You would say something like, well, actually, these men are behaving in an effeminate way when they treat women poorly because they're not being men who are protectors.
Instead, they label it masculinity and go, well, why would you be against us calling it toxic masculinity?
It's like because you're attacking men in general and then claiming you're only attacking a small subsection.
tim pool
So what is toxic femininity?
dr chloe carmichael
Well, I mean, so I don't mean to jump ahead of ourselves, but I mean, I did bring up Amber Heard, right?
I mean, I, you know, so she's toxic when, when, when we, when we think about toxic masculinity, they say that it's when you take things that are traditionally masculine virtues, like maybe toughness or competitiveness and, you take them to a twisted extreme.
And so with women, if you think about it in Spanish, they have something called marionismo,
and it's the opposite of machismo.
So machismo is obviously, we all know what machismo is.
Marionismo would be almost like the kind of a counterpart to that, which is where there's
this extreme reliance on kind of a victim role.
With the Amber Heard thing as well, it was very interesting because from a criminal psychology
standpoint, attractive women will always fare better in a courtroom than an unattractive
woman unless it is shown that she used her attractiveness to in some way carry off the
crime and then her attractiveness will statistically turn against her.
So about toxic femininity then, that would be the case of a woman who uses her femininity,
her beguiling feminine self in a way that twists and manipulates and deceives people.
seamus coughlin
And I think part of why they will never acknowledge that is because to do so is to understand and acknowledge that there are certain benefits to being a woman.
tim pool
I think a lot of what we're seeing in modern Western culture, the failures, are due to masculinity being gutted and purged, which is creating this imbalance where a massive outgrowth of femininity Becomes toxic and there's no strong men to rebalance.
So like you mentioned, you all of a sudden have the oppression Olympics.
Everyone has to be a victim.
Toxic femininity is taking over.
dr chloe carmichael
Absolutely, even to the point where they have to make it up.
And you know what?
It's not good for the women either.
I mean, I've sat with women in my office as a clinical psychologist that have expressed profound shame.
Women, you know, that are in their mid-late twenties that say, you know, back in college I cheated on my boyfriend and I felt really bad about it and I you know, kind of said it was date rape and, you know, I
and they they they realize, you know, years later that that they basically ruined somebody's
life.
But at the time, as soon as they even kind of utter the words, you know, well, I he he
made me or whatever, then all of a sudden they activate this, you know, big support
network around them.
And I've actually also spoken for an organization called FACE Families Advocating for Campus
Equality.
And they they try to assist young men who are being what's called Title Nine at schools
now where it's a verb, you know, that a woman can just say, oh, well, you know, he raped
me or, you know, he harassed me.
And in many cases, the man is actually removed from school immediately while the school does
some kind of a kangaroo court thing.
So toxic femininity.
tim pool
This is why the Johnny Depp Amber Heard thing was such a big deal for a lot of people.
I'm not gonna say for everybody.
For a lot of people, it was just celebrity gossip.
But you had a guy who was accused, and he won.
All of this Me Too stuff was just like... You had Aziz Ansari.
Do you remember that?
He had a bad date.
And the owner was like, it was terrible.
So they tried to go after him.
It's insane.
dr chloe carmichael
That was insane because I remember the woman said, basically, like, I went to his house, I, you know, I think she said she went down on him, then she gave him a handoff, you know what I mean?
Like, and there was no talk of him, like, forcing her to stay.
I mean, again, I think she, like, of her own free will.
tim pool
She mentioned how he was, like, really nice and saying things like, you know, we don't have to or something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
dr chloe carmichael
And I mean, this is why it actually hurts women.
I mean, on the surface of it, it looks like, oh, look, women are wielding this incredible power.
But the truth is that it actually hurts women.
It infantilizes women.
It suggests that we're not actually capable of going out and having some drinks and making our own choices and being able to stand by them.
It's actually hurting women.
seamus coughlin
I would argue part of what all of this comes from is our society's insistence upon suppressing the innate understanding that sex is a special thing.
So people think they can just go out and do it meaninglessly, and then they regret it.
But because the culture constantly signals to them that there's nothing wrong with doing that, they wonder, why do I feel bad about this experience?
And I think one conclusion they could draw from it is there must have been some coercive element here.
I must not have chosen this because I've regretted this.
And I've actually seen people say, oh yeah, no, if you regretted it, then it was coerced, which is an insane thing to say.
tim pool
I will say the interesting thing about it is in modern culture, we associate hookups with regret.
That in TV shows and movies, it's like they wake up the next day like, oh man.
Then you also have the walk of shame.
lydia smith
Of course.
tim pool
After someone hooks up in college and they're walking out of the dorm or the frat or sorority house, it's like a shameful thing.
And I'm like, that's really weird for a society that's trying to tell people it's shameless, it's prideful.
But then in every facet, people feel something negative about the experience.
lydia smith
It's so interesting to me that they still feel shame.
I still firmly believe that shame holds a very important role in society and people just choose to ignore it.
And one of the things I've constantly said is that every sex scene in every movie is completely unnecessary because our culture does not believe that sex means anything.
What's the point of having sex?
You're just doing a thing.
Who cares?
Are you deeply in love?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, I just watched the boys Sorry, the I watched the first
Episode I think just the first episode. Have you ever seen the boys? No, the superhero show
Yeah, and in like the first 15 minutes There's just like a ton of sex and then I was like it didn't
do anything for the story at all You know, I was like
unidentified
It's like we're sitting here and they're like, you know, it does something for the guy who made this story
tim pool
That's why you put it in there. Exactly. I guess like there's like a scene that didn't even need to happen
seamus coughlin
It happens all the time.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
seamus coughlin
I was like, what was that?
Even in films where two people having sex was important to the plot, you never need to show it.
It's very interesting that they choose to so often.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Well, it's clear to me that they just want it to be borderline pornographic, just to draw the eyes and the clicks or whatever, because as far as I can tell, in this culture, sex means nothing, which is incredibly sad to me.
tim pool
I think there's a deeper question in, you know, why do humans have these hookups and then regret it in the morning?
unidentified
Why is that such a common thing that's I still feel shame.
tim pool
Yeah, like why?
lydia smith
Interesting.
ian crossland
If you hook up with like a girl that's your friend that you're not attracted to when you're both drunk and then the next morning you're like, oh god, what have I done?
I've changed the dynamic of my relationship.
That's the only shame I've ever felt walking out of a girl's house.
But every other time it's like, hell yeah.
dr chloe carmichael
Well, so when we drink, it almost kind of, for lack of a better word, sort of disables our executive lobe, which is the part of ourselves that thinks about future consequences and things like that.
And also, of course, when it's a hookup situation, one person is usually kind of pouring on the charm, right?
She's laughing at all of his jokes.
He's telling her how good she looks.
And they're both making a little bit of a concerted effort to get into each other's
pants.
So it's almost like they're kind of on a drug of euphoria in that moment and then the next
morning when reality sets in.
And Lydia, to your point about shame as well, I want to back you up on that.
There's a psychological healthy function of shame, which is to let us know when we have broken our own boundaries and broken our own standards, there's actually a healthy sense of when we've come up short that serves to guide us that we need to make a change.
tim pool
There was a viral story at a college, a poster was put up that said, if you are both drunk, like if you're a man and you and the woman are drunk and you both hook up, you raped her.
dr chloe carmichael
Right, which is so insulting to women.
You know what I mean?
Because basically what that is saying is that I need a chaperone if I'm going to go out and have drinks.
You know, like that's where that goes.
It means that I'm not able to just choose anymore, like how much to drink and when I'm ready to go home with somebody.
I mean, I'm married now, so I'm just speaking hypothetically.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure there was a story where, yeah, I vaguely remember this.
I think Reason reported it.
A man and a woman both got drunk and hooked up at a college, and the man immediately went to the school and reported her for raping him, and she got in trouble.
And they were all freaking out, and they were like, that's the way the game works.
He was worried that she was gonna go and report him, so he reported her first, and then he wins, because he reported her first.
lydia smith
That's interesting.
But yeah, I did want to say, I do think that the fact that a woman can't have a few drinks and maintain her bodily autonomy When I started hearing about kids who are able to change their gender at the drop of a hat, I was like, this is so insulting that I can't go out and have a beer and then sleep.
Not that I ever would.
I would never.
I never have.
Now I'm married, so it's fine.
But it's like that you would have no bodily autonomy just by the mere act of drinking a few drinks.
It's ridiculous to me.
It's treating women like children.
tim pool
Let me pull up this story because I simply googled it and I found it from Reason.
Male student accuses female student of sexual assault, says she wanted revenge.
Title IX creates a prisoner's dilemma.
Students have to file sexual misconduct complaints to avoid being the accused.
This is actually really crazy.
The gist of the story is that a male accuser, in an unusual move, filed a Title IX complaint against her.
The female students filed a lawsuit.
So this is an inversion of what we typically see where the male gets accused.
I think this guy just knew what the game was.
He's like, she's gonna falsely accuse me.
Let's go for it.
dr chloe carmichael
Exactly.
It's kind of like what Seamus was saying as well about how this whole situation is eroding the male-female dynamic, right, where there's almost like this, you know, race to see who's going to file on the other person first, you know, defensively.
And this is for people who just, you know, made love.
tim pool
Look at this, look at this.
It says, so there's, what is it, Jane Roe and John Doe, because their names are blocked out.
So, the woman contends it was ridiculous to find her guilty of non-consensual sex because of the man's drunkness, but not find him guilty, too, because she was also drunk.
It doesn't matter.
You made this game- No kidding.
This is what- See, this is why young men are like, feminism is bad.
Because this is what it results in.
It's like, you go into the bedroom, you hook up, and then as soon as you're done, you're both looking at each other, looking at the door, and then you're both running, full speed, trying to accuse each other of being the aggressor.
ian crossland
That's completely insane.
Maybe I'm taking a different view of hookup culture.
I kind of went through it in the 90s.
No, more in the early 2000s, late 90s.
But I never really found it abhorrent, or I had a problem with it.
Like, I would hook up with a girl, we would both have a great time, and then that would be that.
And then I would never really, if we would or wouldn't, talk again after that.
It was just really fun, you know?
Sex is fun.
It's like, why do you people snowboard?
It's fun, it's exercise.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, but snowboarding doesn't carry the risk with it of, like, creating another human life.
And I shouldn't even call it a risk, right?
Creating a human life is a beautiful thing.
tim pool
What if you went snowboarding and when you got to the bottom of the mountain you just had a baby?
seamus coughlin
Then you know what?
We would have some very strong social stigmas around who you went snowboarding with, probably, and how often you snowboarded, and whether you were snowboarding outside of marriage.
tim pool
Dad, where do babies come from?
Well, son, when a man and woman love each other, they go snowboarding.
By the time they reach the bottom of the mountain.
seamus coughlin
What about the people who ski?
That's unnatural.
ian crossland
You are right.
It's not a sport.
Sex is not a sport.
And it shouldn't be treated like that.
tim pool
I mean, I feel like the path we're on, it will be.
Like, you're gonna have weird... It's a race to the court.
Yeah.
Well, right now, it's a sprint.
It's like, you're in college and you hook up.
You both are like...
Well, uh, that was great.
I'm gonna go to bed and then you like the guy starts like speed walking towards the the title nine office or whatever and then he gets Halfway, he like he's like halfway there and then all of a sudden down the end of the hallway He sees the woman and they just both bolt for the door like running towards it.
That's that's where this is going.
seamus coughlin
You got it Oh, sorry.
ian crossland
No, no, you go delineate between sex has the the pregnancy aspect which is what but also the orgasm which is like I mean, that's you get better at it, the more you do it, from my experience, and the more you study it.
So like if someone's like never will have sex only until they're about ready to have a baby, then they're missing out on the opportunity to, you know, give their partner an orgasm or 50 orgasms.
seamus coughlin
I would disagree.
tim pool
Did you know?
I think I think you all might know this, that women who abstain from sex until marriage report greater satisfaction
seamus coughlin
is that that's yeah I'm pretty sure and they're also the least likely to
dr chloe carmichael
divorce right it is true It is true and also I just wanted to say I know that you
said you had a certain experience in college with sex that was different from this
you know kind of race to the courtroom thing I wanted to just mention that
it was in 2014 that the Obama administration announced this new effort to
combat sexual assault on campuses
And I think that's really when this whole thing of, like, Title IX-ing somebody and, like, you know, young men, if they're accused, that they have to be removed immediately, like, while this kangaroo court situation happens.
So if you were able to graduate from college before 2014, it might have been a different world back then.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, it was 2001 is when I graduated.
seamus coughlin
Well, you know, I've sort of said this before, you know, I'm a traditionalist.
I wear that on my sleeve.
But what the left often does is, in the long run, after they've broken down the social boundaries, they try to imitate traditionalism, but in a much more convoluted way.
And so what we see is, as it would be the case in the past, people do get in trouble for having sexually immoral encounters, but because we don't know how to label a consensual sexual encounter as immoral, People jumped to it was assault.
Now, obviously, yes, there are people who were genuinely assaulted and there should be resources for them.
But it just happens to be the case that they have this entire infrastructure set up with these kangaroo courts, which, as we've described, will punish people for a crime that they did not commit.
It will charge them not as someone who's fornicated, but as someone who has raped.
dr chloe carmichael
It's interesting because also from a psychology perspective, we think about internal locus of control versus external locus of control.
So internal is where I believe that I'm the one in the driver's seat in my life.
I'm the one choosing if I have those drinks and sleep with that guy or whatever else.
And the external locus of control is, you know, oh, it was the situation.
It was the patriarchy.
I was, you know, whatever.
And as if the world is happening to us like the weather.
And psychology studies have shown that people with an internal locus of control tend to be less vulnerable to things like anxiety and
depression.
It's a factor of resilience to feel that you have self-efficacy and that you are in charge of your own decisions.
So I do think that this whole thing has not been good for women or for men
when we start seeing that it's not just you, me, and the lamppost deciding what we're doing here,
but that we think we start blaming all these social factors instead of just looking at our own behavior.
tim pool
I mean, that's the culture war in a nutshell.
People being like, it's not my fault.
I did it.
It's patriarchy.
ian crossland
Is that like a result of psychoactives being introduced to young people that they now have less of an internal locus of control?
They're seeing it happening.
dr chloe carmichael
I think that there's been this big movement to de-shame women if they want to have sex and whatever they want to do, girl power again, all of that kind of stuff.
And so therefore, if a woman does have regrettable sex, maybe within that framework, it wouldn't really be permissible for her to say, I feel shame.
I don't feel like that's good for me.
I don't think I want to do that again because then she'd have to look at herself and say that she wants to do something differently, which would go against the grain of this other narrative of saying women are just like men.
You can go have sex all the time with a bunch of people and you'll be fine.
And so then because she can't blame her own choices, then the only alternative is to start blaming other people.
tim pool
And there are no strong men to stand up and say, enough.
I mean, there are, but they're all right-wing now.
I mean, even if they're not right-wing, they're right-wing.
That's what's happening.
Joe Rogan is a right-wing comedian, I suppose.
Because if you have any kind of masculinity, I mean, this is probably why they call Joe Rogan right-wing.
He's a meathead.
He is a ripped MMA dude who goes bow hunting for elk.
He's got left-wing politics, but that doesn't matter.
He's masculinity.
ian crossland
Yeah, you need a dude that'll stand up and say enough, but also that will cry in feeling what she is feeling, like Jordan Peterson.
So I think he's kind of the embodiment of the strong man right now, Peterson seems to be, although he's not a meathead, and I don't know what he benches.
tim pool
I think when we had Tyler Fisher on the other night, And he said that he was raised by two dads.
He said that he was very much woke and everything until he started listening to Jordan Peterson.
And Jordan Peterson helped him get his life in order.
And I'm like, that's exactly why they fear Jordan Peterson so much.
Teaching teaching young men personal responsibility teaching young men to be masculine That's very dangerous for people who don't want that balance brought back to the force Absolutely, and so I've said this before on the show.
seamus coughlin
I honestly mostly blame men for feminism I think the reason women are acting like men is because men are acting like children and People will usurp the roles that are not being fulfilled by the people who are responsible for them in some sense well And so I think we're in a position where society has
basically, as you've mentioned, put a lot of emphasis on areas where we think women might
be falling behind relative to men.
Whenever men are falling behind, that's never really considered a problem.
And so now we have a system where women are actually able to contribute to the economy
in the workforce in a way that a lot of men can't compete with within the romantic marketplace.
And so, A, you have that, but then B, it's far outside of an economic issue.
It's also an issue of virtue.
Like men are not taught to see women as people who they should
Love and protect and care for.
Think about what porn has done to men's brains.
It has convinced them that women are objects for their own sexual pleasure and not human beings who they should love and commune with and genuinely care for and protect.
lydia smith
Well, to tie together what you were saying about women being told they shouldn't feel ashamed for sleeping with a bunch of men, it makes me angry to a certain degree that women are told that they need to behave like men.
You need to work.
You need to fight.
You need to do all of this stuff.
You need to take action against people who take advantage of you.
You don't actually need to do that.
And the fact of the matter is that men and women view sex very differently.
I understand that.
I'm okay with that.
I'm not fighting against that because it's a biological imperative.
Women connect much more deeply than men with sex on a very emotional level because women tend to be more emotional and that's okay.
That's fine.
That's wonderful.
It's beautiful.
Men are not the same.
dr chloe carmichael
Even on a neurochemical level.
lydia smith
Exactly.
dr chloe carmichael
Like women release a bunch of oxytocin.
It's really crazy because did you know that the better the sex is, the more orgasms the woman has, the more oxytocin she releases.
Right.
So the more bonded she gets to the guy, the better the sex is for her.
Which is awful, right?
Because if you go out and you're going to have that one-night stand, well, it better be good, right?
You're not doing it for relationship fulfillment, right?
It's just sex.
And then you end up getting really bonded to the person.
tim pool
Well, that explains why women who abstain from sex until marriage tend to report greater satisfaction.
dr chloe carmichael
Of course.
tim pool
So I read that.
I'm not saying I know for a fact.
I don't have the evidence pulled up, but that is the case.
dr chloe carmichael
And for men, the more like orgasms and the more forceful orgasms that they have.
And the more testosterone they get, their testosterone rises and rises, which makes them, you know, just more and more independent and all these other things.
It's really hard for women.
tim pool
I want to ask you this, Dr. Chloe.
So I was thinking about dating apps and we've talked about this on the show before.
I was talking to this young guy.
This was a few years ago.
He was like 26 and he was a virgin and hadn't had a girlfriend.
And he was saying that it was basically impossible, and through the conversation, it was interesting.
Basically what he was saying was that, you know, everyone dates through Tinder and other apps and stuff.
So he's on there, but he can never get any responses.
And I was like, interesting.
I started reading some data from dating websites, and it looks like what may be happening In colleges, you have 20-year-old men and women.
Let's just use an average age.
They're all on Tinder.
The 20-year-old man has no status, has no wealth.
He's in college.
So when he reaches out to a peer, a 20-year-old woman, and he says, want to hang out?
She goes, sure, what did you have in mind?
We can go to the courtyard and we can like talk and she's like, that's cool.
Then she swipes right on a 30 year old guy who makes $70,000, $80,000 a year.
He's got a nice car.
He's got his own apartment and he says, you want to hang out?
And she goes, what do you want to do?
And he says, we can drive to the lake, go see a movie and then come back to my place.
I've got drinks.
And she goes, done.
unidentified
Yeah.
dr chloe carmichael
Even more, he doesn't just say you want to hang out.
He says, would you like to go have dinner?
Right.
You know, I feel like from the start he's whining and dining a little more.
tim pool
So, it feels to me that dating apps have expanded the dating pool so massively that young men no longer have a peer group in which they can find a mate.
And higher status men now get access to basically every, every available woman.
So what we started saying is, this was reported by the Washington Post, that I think a third of men under 29 were virgins.
And, you know, unmarried as well, not dating.
That was, I think, four years ago.
So it's probably gone up since then.
Something is happening.
I'm wondering what your thought is on dating apps and if you would agree.
dr chloe carmichael
Yeah, I totally agree with what you said about the numbers game and the fact that now that 20-year-old woman as well, she's going to be this hot item if she's open to going out with 30-year-old guys.
It really shifts the dating dynamics.
Also, I've read something similar about the virginity rate amongst very young people.
And I think it may also have to do with the proliferation of porn.
You know, as Seamus was saying, I mean, to really get out there and like, you know, find
somebody, it's even for a one night stand, you know, it's it's not easy, right?
You have to take certain social risks.
You have to put yourself out there.
You have to deal with rejection.
You know, there's so many hurdles that you have to clear.
And if young men are able to get their appetites pretty much fully satisfied from the
comfort of their own home for less money and less effort, I can see where they would have
less motivation as well.
And then, as you said, if the dating app dynamics are making it even harder for them.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and I think that's absolutely correct.
And it's not just that their need is satisfied in some sense.
By virtue of what it is, you only have to think about yourself and your own pleasure and not another human being who you're involved with.
And on top of that, it's very sad when you see how the dynamic has played out because men will point out the fact that women have all these options on these dating apps.
The reality is most women want to find one man to be monogamous with and they're not able to do that because guess what?
The guy they're interested in because he's at the top of the dominance hierarchy, so to speak, he's got a bunch of other women who are into him and he's messing around with all of them and he's not gonna commit to any one of them.
So it's this horrific sexual hellscape where no one gets what's going to make them happy.
tim pool
Or it's a revert to a primitive state where the alpha Just gets all the women?
ian crossland
Yeah, we need a gating app called Genghis Khan, where the feud just goes on there.
tim pool
It's just one guy, the guy who made the app and only women can sign up.
I'm pretty sure what chimps do is like, the chimps all beat the crap out of each other, and the chimp who wins bangs all the girls, all the women.
dr chloe carmichael
You know, it's also interesting too with Prides of Lions, when the males from a warring pride come and defeat the males of another pride, the females of the defeated pride will immediately go sleep with the victorious males.
seamus coughlin
Not loyal.
unidentified
Wow.
dr chloe carmichael
You know, but I mean, also Seamus, to your point about about them getting their needs satisfied, you kind of touched on something there that I think is important too, which is that young men who are sexually inexperienced, you know, virgins, they might think that they're getting their needs satisfied in the sense that like that they're seeing porn and they're having an orgasm.
Check.
Yeah, but like they don't know the pleasure of like being with a woman and You know laughing together and and the the touch and the intimacy and the fun of it because they haven't experienced it So they might think that they're getting satisfied, but they don't realize that they're not really getting it off Yeah, I think a lot of them know and are very bitter about
unidentified
that.
seamus coughlin
I think a lot of them know that they're not really getting a full authentic experience
and that they are sort of being cynically exploited by the people who produce this kind
of hideous stuff and that it's inhibiting their ability to have real relationships.
ian crossland
When you have an orgasm alone in your room, you're losing a lot of fluid.
But when you're with a woman, you're introducing the fluid to them, they're introducing the fluid to you.
And so you're getting something and you're not just not just a net loss when you're with someone, it's a trade.
And that's a very different feeling, like emotional or like chemical chemical experience.
tim pool
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a better way, I think, I think this may be more accurate.
There's like the exchanges in what you smell that triggers certain, you know, blood flow and release of chemicals in the brain.
Right?
dr chloe carmichael
Yeah, yeah, there's definitely things that you smell.
But I mean, it's also even the the sense of being held and squeezed and, you know, just felt and loved and kissed and known.
I mean, there's just there's a there's an interpersonal component to sex.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, but isn't that insane that you should even have to say that?
tim pool
When men and women smell each other, their blood flow increases, their blood vessels dilate, chemicals get released in the brain.
seamus coughlin
I think it depends on how he smells, to be fair.
unidentified
For the woman, I think if he smells... No, no, no.
seamus coughlin
I was making a joke.
tim pool
No, no, so the point I'm making is that if the woman is attracted to the man, or if the man smells... Like, I'm not saying the smell makes the attraction or the attraction makes the smell, but there is a correlation between a man smelling good and a woman being attracted to him.
ian crossland
Pheromones, at the very least.
tim pool
There's that famous documentary series they did, The Science of Sex.
Where they had a bunch of dudes run on treadmills, took their shirts off and put them in jars.
Then had women come in and smell each shirt and rate whether it smelled good or bad.
And it turns out, the women who said the shirts smelled... The women said some shirts smelled bad, they would be related to that man.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's crazy.
tim pool
They said, oh, this one smells good.
They were not related.
If it smelled bad, they're like, that was your brother.
And she's like, oh, wow.
ian crossland
I noticed also.
tim pool
You don't even need to see him to know it's not a mate for, it's not a potential mate.
It would be bad, right?
seamus coughlin
It's funny because I've known girls who like really complain about the way that their brothers smell.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
Exactly.
And then I was reading that they tell women, if they're going to get married, to get off birth control.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
Because it negatively impacts their, like, sensory reception to the man.
And then when they stop taking the birth control, they say, stop taking it, wait a few weeks, and if your man smells bad, you can't get married.
ian crossland
I've noticed also about sexual intercourse is that it builds confidence.
And I like the word confidence because it has the word confide.
Like you're actually confidant.
You're basically interacting with another person in this like really primal, primally evocative, you know, proactive manner.
And you're able to make eye contact, for instance.
And it's like the level of confidence that you get out of that is not even remotely there in porn.
It's nothing like that, nothing.
It's a completely other... it's basically having a friend, like a really good friend.
dr chloe carmichael
Oh my gosh, yeah, I could see where porn would almost be like the opposite, right?
Because like, you know, you're sitting there and you're like either like paying some website or, you know, you're like basically doing something where you're validating to yourself almost the idea that you can't get somebody or whatever, you know?
So it's almost like invalidating.
tim pool
But it's also... it warps people's minds.
The weird stuff on the internet is so far outside of the realm of reality.
It used to be like, a dude would be like, I'd like to be in bed with that woman.
Now it's a guy being like, I would love to swing from a ceiling fan while bungee jumping.
You know, like, just all the weird, crazy...
seamus coughlin
And it really fosters that, right?
Because if you are in the context where you are married to a woman who you're having sex with, you love this person.
You don't want to do anything to her that would be considered degrading.
So if there is some intrusive thought or weird fantasy, you're not going to indulge it with pornography.
First of all, there's no one there to check you.
So there's no one there to be like, that's a weird thing to want.
You can literally search whatever you want.
And then people just, people are obsessed with novelty.
And so they search for more and more deranged things.
And when you look at the fact that erectile dysfunction rates have increased as much as they have, it's almost certainly attributable to the wide accessibility of pornographic materials, especially to boys who are still teenagers.
tim pool
I think, I think, I think Jordan Peterson talked about that, right?
Like young, maybe I'm wrong, but I was reading something where young men are watching this ridiculous, you know, fake reality stuff.
And then when it comes to the real world thing, they're like, I don't know what this is.
Exactly.
But I do want to, I do want to say, look, man, I think if people want to be kinky and do stuff in the bedroom and be whatever they want to be or whatever, I got no shit with that.
My issue is when people start separating themselves from reality with weird stuff that's just like, like I said, like swinging from a ceiling fan while jumping out of a plane and then throwing the ceiling, just like weird.
That's not going to happen.
I mean, I guess if you want to, if you're rich enough to make that happen and you want to bang someone while jumping out of a plane.
ian crossland
There's a big difference between two people having sex where they're not looking at each other.
They don't even know each other.
They don't care.
It's just two bodies smashing together.
The girl's in pain because it's so hard.
And then the situation where it's two people that are connecting to each other and they feel each other's bodies.
They're not moving to hurt.
They're not ignoring the other person while they're just pounding.
But the internet doesn't know how to differentiate between that.
And so the kids see both and they don't know what's supposed to be good or bad.
And then you get the warping effect.
tim pool
See it at all.
ian crossland
There's another argument.
Average age now is 11 that kids are seeing porn.
dr chloe carmichael
To Tim's point also about the, just what we call a need for an increasing stimulation, right?
So the first time maybe that you sit down and look at porn online, you're even just getting some adrenaline from that because you know, you're doing something taboo.
And so your body, because of the extra adrenaline, Well, actually sometimes have a more intense sexual experience, like there have been some studies even that showed that people who just walked across a scary bridge that was really old and rickety that they would rate people as more attractive than people who had just walked across a very safe bridge.
So when people, you know, use porn to a certain degree, it's almost like a drug.
But then once you've seen the same stuff a million times, it becomes sort of ho-hum.
And so then people just need to keep doing, as Tim was saying, stuff that's even more
and more bizarre to kind of keep up that sort of a hit.
And then there's the other factor, which is that these sites make money by getting you
to spend more time on it.
And so they'll be popping up stuff that you might never have even thought of.
But there you are with your body physiology all turned on to the point where you could
look at a baked potato and think it was sexy, right?
tim pool
And then you end up with a guy in the hospital with a broken lipo in his ass.
unidentified
Yeah, that's exactly what happened.
tim pool
What were you thinking, dude?
I was on the internet!
ian crossland
I mean, your studies on psychology, what is a good tactic for people to maintain that adrenaline rush with their partner?
dr chloe carmichael
Well, so I actually have an article about that.
It's called Don't Have Chemistry with Nice Guys.
Here's How to Change That.
If anybody wants to email me through my website, I'll send you a copy of the blog if you can't find it.
But so what I suggest people do, like this is it's kind of old-fashioned, but like that's why people go to horror movies on dates because like it kind of like gets things going a little bit, you know, or Do even going to like new places, new restaurants, that
kind of thing, escape rooms, anything that just gets your blood going and gets that kind of
excitement going will kind of transfer onto the sex.
tim pool
Yeah, actually, I actually read that when women are scared, they generate a stronger
bond with the person they're on a date with.
lydia smith
Correct.
tim pool
You need to.
And so there was, I think it was a study about they, you know, monitor people on dates and
they had them walk across a rickety bridge.
And the women reported like higher bonding or satisfaction with their date when they were walking across a rickety bridge.
It's really weird.
seamus coughlin
Well, I mean, trauma bonding, right?
Is that not a real phenomenon?
I'm curious about this.
dr chloe carmichael
Well, it's even just the increase in adrenaline, right?
So when you have more adrenaline going, you know, your heart is beating faster, you're getting a little sweaty.
It's almost like the same as being turned on, you know?
And so you're just experiencing all of your physical sensations more intensely.
And also you're blocking out thoughts of anything else because your mind goes into this tunnel vision.
lydia smith
Yeah, fight or flight.
tim pool
But I think even beyond the studies we've done on this stuff, there's like the joke in TV shows and movies where the guy stages a mugging to impress the date.
It's like, we just knew that.
We knew that going on a date with a woman, and then if the guy defends her, he looks tough, it's attractive, and then we do science, we're like, oh yeah, that actually happened.
dr chloe carmichael
Or the girl stages a damsel in distress moment, and you know, the man comes to her rescue.
ian crossland
Are there dietary things that can improve adrenaline?
dr chloe carmichael
I don't know about that.
I don't know.
tim pool
So, the interesting thing is the relationship dynamics are changing so dramatically now that femininity is sort of being washed away.
We have this story that we've talked about quite a bit, actually.
I mean, we've done multiple segments on it, but I want to bring it up so that we can talk about it with you, Dr. Chloe.
The New York Post writes, And so they talk about these women who are like, you know, a 30-year-old who's a 38-year-old making $50,000 a year or something, and she can't find a man.
And, you know, when I first talked about this, boy, did every feminist lose their mind.
They were like, Tim Pooler, how dare you?
And I said, here's my assessment.
If you're a 38-year-old man and you're making $50,000 a year, why would you want to date a 38-year-old woman who's making $50,000 a year when you can date a 28-year-old woman who's making less and you can provide and actually feel appreciated?
Like, it's this older guy.
He's going to date a younger woman because he has the money to do so.
It feels good for him because she appreciates what he's able to give to her, and he feels like he's able to give something.
But dating a woman of the same age, he's not offering anything.
It doesn't feel good.
And why would she want to date someone who's not a provider?
So ultimately what ends up happening is, guys like dating younger women.
So older women, who are career women, are going to have a harder time.
dr chloe carmichael
Yes, they do.
do, and I can tell you that from my own practice, it's a difficult thing. I'm not saying this
to be against women, I'm actually saying it in sympathy with women. Women who do get older
will say that it becomes harder and harder for them to date, because for a variety of
reasons. Whether it's the fact that more of their age peers are married, or that maybe
their age peers are hoping to have kids, and so they're trying to date a younger woman
so that they have time to do that.
I think that's why a lot of women are freezing their eggs.
tim pool
I think women would... They need to pay attention to the Leonardo DiCaprio principle.
I mean it.
seamus coughlin
No, I know what you're talking about.
tim pool
Well, would you want to explain what Leonardo DiCaprio does?
seamus coughlin
Leonardo DiCaprio, regardless of his age, dates women who are in their early 20s.
tim pool
And only up to a certain age.
And then like every woman's like 25 and then he breaks up with her and then 25.
So here's my point.
seamus coughlin
What were you going to say?
No, I saw a headline.
It was like, this is on Twitter.
It was pretty funny.
It's like, Leonardo DiCaprio's exes, where are they now?
And the top reply was probably in their late 20s.
tim pool
So here's why I say this.
25 year old man.
He's gonna date a 22 year old woman.
35-year-old man, he's gonna date a 22-year-old woman.
45-year-old man, he's gonna date a 22-year-old woman.
You see these old men, and they're like 70, and they're wealthy, and they're dating 20-year-old women.
So as women get older, no matter what they could provide, let's say you're 40, and you don't make that much money, and you're hoping to find, maybe you'll find someone older because they want younger, the rich guy can still get the 20-year-old woman.
And I'm not saying it should be that way, but the reality is, if a man, at no matter what age, I mean, we've seen 80-year-old men with 20-something-year-old women, like, you're robbing the cradle, and it's like, I don't care, I'm old and I'm gonna die, and she's like, and then he doesn't get his money.
They like it.
So the problem there is, there's a certain point for women where, no matter how old the guy is, if he has resources, he will go for the 20, 30-year-old woman.
dr chloe carmichael
Right.
And you know, it kind of takes me back to the article that you mentioned when we started the poll showing that, you know, younger men thought feminism had done more harm than good, but that that was less true of a belief for young women to have.
And I couldn't help but think about the fact that, yeah, that's young women, that they're currently saying, oh yeah, the world is just telling me that I can have it all, I can do this, I can do that, and everything else.
Why wouldn't they like that message, right?
But when we start talking about the older women who are then saying, yeah, okay, so I spent my 20s climbing the career ladder and not having kids, and how has this feminism really necessarily helped me so much?
I would be curious about women that are in their 30s for that poll.
tim pool
The interesting thing about all of these polls that take a look at feminism and dating and stuff is that they don't understand the difference in generations.
So when they say, did you know that women on average make 17% or 23% less than men?
It's like, are you talking about all age groups or are you factoring in only Gen X and below?
Because if you do that, then all of a sudden you realize women make more than men.
The problem is, it's very simple.
In the 60s and 70s, women didn't work the same jobs as men.
They didn't make as much money.
Now they're growing up.
There was a disparity in the boomer generation.
There was a disparity in the silent generation.
The disparity is mostly going away.
But the narrative persists.
I mean, the narrative of the pay gap is wrong for a million and one reasons.
But what's happened now is it's inverted.
Young women are more likely to graduate college, more likely to go to college, more likely to get higher paying jobs than their male counterparts.
But because we lump in boomers with millennials in the same stats, it presents this narrative of female victimhood.
When boomers are long gone, it is going to be inverted and women will make more than men.
seamus coughlin
Well, also it's interesting that it's considered victimhood, right?
Because what is necessarily wrong with women choosing not to work as much or choosing to work fewer hours or just choosing not to work at all because they want to have a family?
Why is that seen as like some horrible form of oppression when they're making that choice for themselves?
You know, feminists will often make the argument that they just want women to be able to make their own choices.
They're not here to try to force a specific social order onto the greater whole of society.
All of the decisions women make that they complain about happen to be the more traditional ones.
So it's clear that they're not interested in letting women make their own choices.
They have a specific set of standards they think women should be living by for them.
ian crossland
Who's they that said that?
seamus coughlin
Feminists.
I mean, that's feminism.
Every single time they complain about a disparity between men and women, it's a disparity which is an indicator that women are behaving more traditionally or taking on a more traditionally feminine gender role.
tim pool
You know what I think it is?
I think it is social pressures beget social pressures.
I think that there was a genuine issue with equal opportunity.
Women complained about it.
So then people said, let's do a big PR campaign and tell women they can be equal.
This created social pressure among women to be those fighting for equality because that was the social cause.
The social cause is speeding up.
It's going faster and faster.
This is why I think young men don't like modern feminism.
Because women are chasing, I shouldn't say women necessarily, but the feminine is chasing after social acceptance in a rapid degree regardless of what that outcome is.
ian crossland
It's also financial, it gives you like an air of independence because if a man and woman were dating and the guy has all the money, he's got a job, she doesn't.
And she's like, I want to eat rabbit tonight.
And the guy's like, well, I'm paying for it, so we're eating pizza.
seamus coughlin
But I think the problem is not that she doesn't have money, the problem is she's dating an asshole.
If that's the case.
ian crossland
Maybe, but after then, she's like, okay, let's get married and it can be our money.
And the guy's like, you know what?
I'm the one making our money, so we're eating pizza.
seamus coughlin
That's a horrible husband.
tim pool
To go back to the point I was trying to make is... Maybe she should get a job.
The point I was trying to make is that women feel pressured to do things they're seeing on social media or in the news because they think that's what they have to do to be accepted, to be acceptable.
So they're adopting certain behaviors, they're putting on certain messages, they're holding up certain signs, because they all just chase after each other's message.
Well, there's no one to tell them, like, hey, that's too much.
dr chloe carmichael
And women and girls are more vulnerable to what's called social contagion, right?
So that's why, like, for example, like, in the 80s, like, it seemed like every woman, like, had an eating disorder, or, you know, or like, there's just certain things that can suddenly crop up, right?
And I think that sometimes that can happen for women and girls as well when we get bombarded with this messaging that we're supposed to do certain things in career and that we can't even talk about wanting something different.
From the psychology side also, psychology studies have shown that people on the left are more collectivist.
and people on the right, politically, tend to be more individualist, right?
And so one of the... both sides have their extremes, which can be, you know, not so good,
but when it comes to collectivism, one of the things that can happen is that you can get attached
to the narrative of the group, right? And there's, you know, groupthink, to the point where you don't
even feel comfortable stepping out of the narrative.
That's why it does feel so insanely controversial for young women to say, you know, I'm not sure that I want to be a partner at a law firm, you know?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's a very good point.
You know, you made this point earlier where you said you'd be curious to know how women would respond to being asked the question of whether feminism was a net positive once they're in their 30s or older.
I think another thing we have to consider is whether we should just be asking women about the specific results Are you happy with the fact that it's more difficult for you to find a man who makes as much money as you?
Are you happy with the fact that it's harder for you to start a family?
think that movement intense and not necessarily what its results are so if
you ask women questions like are you happy with the fact that it's more
difficult for you to find a man who makes as much money as you are you happy
with the fact that it's harder for you to start a family I mean almost all of
ian crossland
them would say no I thought Chloe what you said about the left being more
collectivist the right being more individualist or independent I guess
Individualist.
The extreme of the right, individualism, would be like what I was saying earlier, the guy and the girl are in a relationship, the guy makes more money, and he's like, so he, I'm gonna decide what we do because I'm the one bringing the money, and the money is what's gonna get the thing.
And that's the extreme of the individualism.
tim pool
I disagree.
ian crossland
How so?
tim pool
Well, I don't necessarily disagree.
I just want to say that what likely would occur is a woman saying, I'm breaking up with you.
I'm leaving.
Women have a choice.
And if the man is in one direction, then it just breaks apart.
So maybe I should say, I agree with you.
That degree of individualism would probably break the relationship.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's the extreme gone too far.
tim pool
What I wanted to say, though, is that I think the extreme of individualism would be the man beating the woman.
ian crossland
Jeez, God.
I mean, that's the extreme.
tim pool
Well, he clearly doesn't, at that point, care so little for her well-being, he causes her harm, right?
ian crossland
So, I'm thinking about, like, prenuptials.
Do you, as, I guess, through your psychology, do you think prenuptials are... I feel like prenuptials should be written into marriage without even, like, the option, personally.
But what do you think about those?
dr chloe carmichael
I don't have a prenup, personally.
I think it's going to be different for each person.
But no, I just personally view marriage as the kind of commitment that you make without needing or wanting to have a if-we-break-up plan.
Because the plan is, no matter what happens, we're not breaking up.
However, I am an individualist, and I totally get that every marriage is different, and if other people say that they just feel better with a prenup, I don't have any problem with that.
tim pool
I gotta say, if you think you need a prenup, you should not get married.
lydia smith
Don't get married.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Don't do it.
ian crossland
But that's why I think they should be written in without you having to think about it.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I disagree.
I disagree.
ian crossland
Why would getting married to someone mean that all of your wealth from the last 40 years of my life would now be gone if she decided to leave me?
That's insane.
tim pool
Because marriage is till death do us part.
If you're trying to date someone, you don't need a prenup.
And if you're pledging your life to another person, you shouldn't need one.
And if you do, maybe you should reconsider pledging your life.
dr chloe carmichael
Maybe the issue is no fault divorce then, right?
So I can understand kind of like what you both are saying.
And I, as well, I don't have a prenup.
I wouldn't want to enter into marriage that way.
But I can also understand where for a man or a woman that had built up a lot of wealth
and we're now getting into this legal contract that's supposed to represent a spiritual commitment.
But then we're making it a legal contract.
And part of that legal contract isn't structured around a lifelong agreement like it used to
be because we got rid of no, because now we have no fault divorce.
So I could understand getting rid of no-fault divorce.
tim pool
I agree, yeah.
And I think also... Sorry, the courts are heavily biased in favor of women.
To an insane degree, especially with children and...
seamus coughlin
Well, you know, it's funny because we live in this culture where no-fault divorce is the law of the land.
And people will say things like, well, look how often marriage ends in divorce.
How could you ever be in favor of social structures which disincentivize that or would dissuade people from getting divorced?
But I think what people often miss is if young folks know they're in an environment where divorce is not an option, I firmly believe they're going to be more careful about who they choose to marry.
And I think also people are going to be more careful about their decision-making in general when it comes to sexuality.
A lot of people will start sleeping with someone, and as you've mentioned, that releases oxytocin and other hormones that bond you.
And there are a lot of couples that end up together because they're sexually engaging with one another.
And they're bonding, but they're not actually really good for each other.
And then at some point in the marriage, when the novelty of that person wears off, they get divorced.
So I think it's not just that we have no-fault divorce in people who would otherwise be staying married or getting divorced.
I think they're actually making poor choices about who they end up marrying because of the current status quo.
dr chloe carmichael
A starter marriage.
It's like a phrase.
seamus coughlin
It's horrifying.
It's horrifying.
ian crossland
What's that, like training wheels?
dr chloe carmichael
I don't know.
It's just it's something I've heard young women talk about.
It's like a started marriage or it's even worse.
But I've heard young women say, like, you know, first marriage is for money.
Second marriage is for love.
ian crossland
Wow.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
dr chloe carmichael
I know.
I know.
tim pool
And this is this is this is this is ruining relationships.
It's we were talking about this the other day that we were citing Jordan Peterson so often.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
He was saying something that after 35, you better have a family because that's when things start to break down.
That's what the were you interested in or no?
seamus coughlin
No, no, I don't.
I don't think so.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
When what things start to break down.
tim pool
When you start to, you're going to be lonely.
You're going to have no friends.
Like if you don't start a family around 35, you're going to be.
lydia smith
Yeah.
This is colloquially called the wall.
And I'm sure you've heard of it.
If you've been a denizen of the internet for any length of time, all women supposedly hit a wall when they're about 35.
And if you don't have a family, you are going to be lonely and you're going to have a problem.
You're not going to be able to find a good date.
It doesn't matter how much money you make, because that's not what men look for in a spouse.
dr chloe carmichael
I do think that there are exceptions to that.
I agree with you for the most part.
And you know, for me as a psychologist, again, I've sat with women, you know, going through some really rough times, you know, in those situations.
But there are also women that just, they never want to get married.
They never want to have kids.
They have almost like, and I mean this in a loving, fond way, they have a Peter Pan type of existence.
You know, they just want to have their dog.
They want to go to brunch.
They make a lot of money.
And they're quite happy.
They don't want to give of themselves in the way that it takes to be a wife, to be a mom.
So I don't want to deny that there are women for whom that actually works out.
ian crossland
Do you think that's a chemical imbalance, or is that just natural?
dr chloe carmichael
I don't think it's a chemical imbalance.
I don't know what it is, but I just wanted to make room for the fact that while I do think it's true what Tim said for the most part, and that's definitely the majority of what I see as a psychologist, but there are women that just do their own thing.
tim pool
Maybe we would just be better off if, I don't know, women had to wear red dresses and bonnets.
seamus coughlin
It's funny because, you know, so you've sort of mentioned that being the exception to the rule and Lydia brought up this idea of the wall.
Part of what's so unfortunate and really stultifying the discourse on basically everything is that people confuse making like a prescriptive claim and a descriptive claim.
So by Lydia mentioning that there does seem to be this point at which it's going to be significantly more difficult for a woman to find a partner that she's saying that that's good.
And so because of that people are just reluctant to say that to young women.
They're reluctant to share the truth with them about what could possibly await them if they don't get married before a certain point of time.
And I think that's really horrendous.
I think that's a really horrible thing to do to young women.
You should tell them the realistic possibilities for their life instead of trying to claim everyone can do everything and then having them end up miserable because they had completely unrealistic expectations because of you.
tim pool
My prediction is millennial women will not admit it.
The single millennial women.
They're chasing their careers.
Many of them are probably doing it due to social pressures.
Many of them are doing it because they really want to do it.
And for that, nothing but respect.
Of the women who are not being honest with themselves and are more concerned about social pressures than what they truly would want, maybe a family, I don't think they'll admit it.
They'll be 40 and they'll say, nope, life's great.
I've never been happier.
Young women will see it.
They'll be 45.
I love my life.
I'm single and I'm living it up in the big city.
They're going to be 55 and they're going to say, you know, well, it has its charm.
They're going to be 60 and they're going to go to the young people and say, I've made a terrible mistake.
Don't make the same mistake I did.
But by that point, there's going to be a generation or two that believed the lies.
ian crossland
Do you guys think that there's such thing as a soulmate?
No, I've wondered this because I think that being in the wrong relationship is worse than being single personally for my personal experience.
And so I was looking for the soulmate.
I spent decades alone, lonely, you know, and, uh, I don't know.
I don't think personally, I just can't.
I think a lot of people might be waiting for the one and that's maybe a mistake.
tim pool
I want to give the gist of that famous joke that I've told before.
You know the joke about the guy in the flood and he prays to the Lord for a savior?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So I love this one so much, it's good.
There's a flood.
The guy's in his house.
And the news comes on and says, evacuate now.
And so he prays, dear Lord, I've been a faithful servant, please save me from this flood.
All of a sudden, a car pulls up, and they jump out, and they say, Quick, get in!
We're getting out of here before the flood gets too bad.
And he goes, No, no, I'm not going.
The Lord will save me.
And they're like, You have to come with us.
And he refuses.
After a few hours, the waters have risen so high, he's reached the second floor of his house.
And then once again, he prays, Oh, Lord, save me.
I've been a faithful servant.
And a boat pulls up to the window, and they're like, Quick, get in!
We're getting out of here.
And the guy says, No, no, the Lord will save me.
The waters keep rising, so he climbs up the window, goes on the roof, and then he says, Please, please, Lord, don't let me die.
Then a helicopter comes, and they're like, they throw a rope down, a rope ladder down, quick!
Climb the rope ladder!
And he goes, no!
The Lord will save me!
And then they're like, you have to!
And the helicopter leaves, because he won't do it.
And the floodwaters rise up, and he dies.
When he makes his way up to heaven, he's, you know, before God, and he says, I don't understand.
I was, I was a faithful servant that did everything, and you let me die.
And he goes, I sent you a car, a boat, and a helicopter!
But the reason I tell that joke now is I think for you, Ian, you're saying you were single for so long because you're trying to find the soulmate.
Perhaps you've already met them and you just thought it was going to be something more than it really was.
You assumed the soulmate would come down with wings floating down before you when it was just some, you know, I don't know, regular looking person who was like, what up?
ian crossland
I thought that the soulmate was going to make me better.
But what I realized was I make myself better.
And so she comes.
She arrives.
tim pool
You know, the field of dreams approach.
ian crossland
If you build it.
seamus coughlin
I'm curious what you think of the idea of soulmates as a psychologist.
dr chloe carmichael
Yeah, I don't really believe in that so much, but I do think that there's something to be said for, as you said, just focusing on yourself and trying to attract the right person.
I think that our instant gratification society, whether it be always the opportunity to swipe right and see more and constantly compare, It actually makes it harder to really fix on somebody and settle down on somebody.
There have even been studies that have shown when it comes to buying peanut butter, for example, if you put a customer in an aisle with 40 different jars of peanut butter, they just won't buy one.
They're just like, geez, do I want the crunchy or do I want the organic?
They go on and on.
And I think the same thing can happen with dating, that we just feel like we have too many choices and it's hard to make one.
tim pool
There was a... I love these studies where the study is a trick.
They had people fill out a survey and in exchange you get a free t-shirt.
The study was actually the t-shirt.
So these people filled out a form and then with one group they said, you get a free green t-shirt.
Then with the other group, they said you get your choice between red, green, or blue.
After that, they were then asked how they felt about the gift.
The people who were given a choice were rated it more negatively than those who weren't.
The people who got a free shirt were like, cool, free shirt!
The people who got the choice said, I made the wrong choice, I should have taken the blue one.
ian crossland
Arranged marriage.
dr chloe carmichael
Clients that have arranged marriages, believe it or not.
How does that work?
I was surprised to see that it is not something that I thought would never happen.
But my practice is in New York, and I'm not really seeing clients as much actively now as I used to in the past.
But there's actually a lot of people from cultures where their parents are arranging marriages, and it's not as bad as it sounds.
Their parents are not forcing them to get married to anybody.
It's more like their parents are just lining up.
First dates for them, essentially.
And some of the clients that I would have that didn't have that happening for them, they would be like, I kind of wish my parents would do that for me.
Because it tends to happen, obviously not with all, but like in the Jewish communities and with the people who have come from India, they tend to have that happen more often, at least in just my colloquial observations.
ian crossland
Those sound like blind dates.
They're setting up blind dates?
dr chloe carmichael
Yeah, basically blind dates.
ian crossland
But that's different than saying, you're marrying this person now.
dr chloe carmichael
You're right.
It's arranged marriage opportunities, you know, like where they're setting up blind dates with somebody who's marriage minded.
But you're right.
It's not like they're just saying, hey, go meet your husband.
seamus coughlin
And also in most arranged marriages, the person has the option to not marry.
It's not like the parents go, you have to marry this person.
Like they pick someone and then they get to know them.
And then if they don't want to, they do get the final say.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
But I think a lot of... Not all the time, obviously.
In certain cultures, that's not the case.
tim pool
I think a lot of cultures, they can just say no, but then the parents are like, don't do this, we've worked hard at this.
lydia smith
Cultural pressure.
tim pool
So there's pressure for sure.
But it used to be with arranged marriages where the dad would go to the dad of the daughter and be like, how much money do I get?
We're doing this.
ian crossland
Dowries.
tim pool
Dowries and land grants and things like that.
That's why a lot of the royal families were doing it all. 100%.
lydia smith
Well, one of the things that I noticed in that conversation about arranged marriage is that both parties are going into it with the understanding that they are dating for marriage.
It's something we don't have anymore.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
seamus coughlin
And not only dating for marriage, right, but giving up this idea that there is a quote-unquote soulmate.
I think it's a really toxic and destructive idea that there's going to be someone who will come along and you'll just have an effortlessly good relationship.
That's not going to be true about friendships or relationships, like any kind of relationship that you have.
And so it makes sense that in our culture, we would think that because as you mentioned, we're all about instant gratification.
So yes, of course, I'm going to meet someone who just like bends to my will and everything, which people don't admit, but that's kind of what they say when they want a soulmate.
I want, I want someone who isn't going to require that I change anything about myself or give anything to, and who it's just like effortlessly pleasurable to be with.
ian crossland
I noticed an uptick in video games where you can get married in the video game.
That started like in 2000, not Oh, dude.
tim pool
Let's pull up this story, bro.
ian crossland
This is weird stuff.
tim pool
Check out this story from The Guardian.
Tamagotchi kids could the future of parenthood be having virtual children in the metaverse?
We're doomed!
I don't know.
Part of me is like, we can talk about the future, and the dark future, and the bright future, and we could be like, you know, I wonder what people would experience.
But I'm telling you, when you get to the point where you're just not having kids, and you're making robo babies, and they're just like digital video game babies, alright, that's it.
I don't know, man.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, a country that's below the replacement rate probably does not need this?
tim pool
No.
There's a game coming out called Stray, I think it is.
Have you heard of it?
lydia smith
Yeah, it's a cat.
You play as a cat.
tim pool
Yeah, but all humans are dead.
Like, yeah.
lydia smith
You just have robots around.
tim pool
There's robots everywhere.
It's because, like, humans built robots, and then the humans died off, and now there's robots living everywhere, I think.
lydia smith
Captain Friends robots.
tim pool
Something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, I think that kind of feels like where we're going.
You know, they're building AI that's getting better and stronger and faster.
And it just really feels like the future is going to be AI entities.
ian crossland
One of the problems with this, and you brought up Seamus, which made me think about it, is that there's no resistance, or maybe not no resistance, but the lack of resistance with digital relationships.
Video game characters that are your wife in the game or your child in the game, they don't push back.
Like, they don't come in and tell you what they feel.
They don't, not really.
And no one would really, I don't think anyone would want to play a game where that's the case, because you've got a real life to get started with.
But it's definitely training people to expect that in real life.
tim pool
I think people do like video games that offer them adversity, but slightly less resistance.
So we play video games for that dopamine release.
People will take up these Tamagotchi babies in the metaverse, and it will be just easy enough to where you feel rewarded, but you don't have to do as much work.
ian crossland
You don't have to smell it.
lydia smith
That's a big part of it.
tim pool
Well, depending if they plug your brain in with Neuralink, you'll smell it all day.
ian crossland
What if they made you wake up in the middle of the night eight times to feed this thing?
dr chloe carmichael
I have to tell you, waking up to feed my beautiful baby, it's worth it.
We were talking about this even before.
I actually said the smell, but it won't have the smell.
I need to sniff his hair, my little baby.
I don't understand why people would want this.
One thing that comes to mind for me also is that there's been a decrease in people's sense of self.
A lot of people have been coming to therapy saying that they don't have as much of a sense of self, and psychologists have thought about it in terms of the the decline of the family or decline of religion or you
know social roles kind of you know breaking down and a lot of people just don't have what they they
feel is like a a sense of self and so I wonder if on some level you know these virtual
relationships and you know they're they're seeking somebody else to to kind of provide that for them I don't I
don't know but I definitely don't want a I want to smell mine.
I want to see him in the middle of the night.
tim pool
Just imagine what it will be like when people have like a 16 year old virtual AI life form and the AI's advanced to the point where it's almost indistinguishable or completely from a real person.
And then people are like, it's a video game, so they don't really care.
And then the AI is begging, don't, don't leave me, mom, no, I'm real.
seamus coughlin
Like Artificial Intelligence, the Spielberg film.
tim pool
This is horrifying.
Check this out.
Right, right.
What's going to happen is these AI babies are going to grow up,
and they're going to be 30 years old.
And then the millennial cat lady is going to be like, I bought you a body.
And they're going to download the AI into the body.
And it's going to be like, I'm a real boy.
unidentified
This is horrifying.
ian crossland
This is disturbing.
unidentified
Yeah, no.
seamus coughlin
They'll run for office.
First.
dr chloe carmichael
I'm reading that already.
tim pool
I think it's funny that that's what you think is the scariest part.
We'll be politicians.
lydia smith
I mean, yes.
Or journalists.
ian crossland
I wonder if someone's going to hack it and then have their digital 20-year-old have a digital baby that
is the 20-year-old as a baby.
And they're going to be like, ah.
And they're going to be like, clap.
Look how fun this is to hack the.
tim pool
30-year-old AI babies are going to have their own AI babies?
And you're going to have AI grandchildren?
seamus coughlin
You're going to have people who don't allow the AI baby to age?
ian crossland
This terrifies me because if the power goes out, not that we can't build persistent power structure systems like nuclear batteries and things that can never go out, but if there's some sort of disruption in the electric flow that these things disappear, it would make it an insanity.
It would have an entire populace of insanity of people that have lost their minds, their babies, basically.
And desperate and enraged.
tim pool
There's that show Upload where they can upload your consciousness and in it they also make AI babies.
But there's laws in this version of the future where people who have their consciousness uploaded can't work because it would create labor shortages and stuff because people would never die.
And you could do coding and other work in this digital reality.
The crazy thing will be, if we create this alternate virtual world, this metaverse, with AI lifeforms, and then we start creating interoperability between virtual world and real world, like downloaded into a body and stuff, then civilization starts to get supplanted by fictional people, and then you've got just terrifying scenarios where there could be like AI terror attacks.
Where like one of these AI babies grows up and it's like, I don't care.
They treat us like second class citizens, but I'm alive.
And then they hack the grid and then blow up a real, you know, gas plant or something.
seamus coughlin
Or like your AI baby just takes your credit card info and gives it to China.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
It's a virus.
seamus coughlin
It's literally just a virus.
But no, I just, it's so sad because you can imagine like a woman in her fifties or sixties regrets not having a family, like using the thought of it just makes me so sad.
ian crossland
In a way it's someone like, It's like maybe a paraplegic or someone that lost the use of their legs using a neural net to regain function.
Maybe it could be an opportunity for people that missed the boat on having a baby to experience.
But it is a form of psychosis.
dr chloe carmichael
I think that those people need to go be a good aunt or uncle to their friends' babies.
Like this reminds me of like the sex dolls thing, you know, like the real life, like realistic sex dolls things.
Like, I don't know, I've just, the whole thing honestly kind of creeps me out.
tim pool
Agreed.
seamus coughlin
Well, so Ian, you made this point.
I think it's interesting because you said, what about the people who missed the boat and they weren't able to have a child?
And my response is, the purpose of having a child is not for you.
It's not for you to get to have the experience of raising a child.
The purpose of raising a child is to bring a new life into the world and care for it.
And then the whole point of parenthood is for it to be about the child and not the parent.
This totally flips that on its head.
unidentified
That's a good point.
tim pool
Tamagotchi kids.
lydia smith
Cringe.
tim pool
Oh, man.
In psychology, do you guys... Sorry, I think it was Matt Walsh.
It may have been.
It may have been Jesse Kelly.
I think it was Matt Walsh who said, we already have those.
They're called cats.
lydia smith
I believe that was Matt.
Sounds like both of them.
Either one of them.
unidentified
I know.
ian crossland
Do you guys in the psychology, I don't know if it's industry or whatever, but like, do you work with like how AI is impacting human psychology or how Internet and digital communications are impacting?
dr chloe carmichael
I'm sure some psychologists do, but I personally don't.
But in terms of psychology, I will say that to your point, Seamus, about parenting being about the child, Freud, and I'm not a big fan of everything Freud ever said or did.
seamus coughlin
Thank goodness.
dr chloe carmichael
But one of the things that Freud said is that women only really get over their vanity through motherhood.
To your point, yeah.
I mean, having become a mom myself, I swear, it's like, I've known many women and men who have said the same thing.
It's almost like you feel your heart growing bigger and bigger and bigger.
Like, you just can't get over how much, you know, love and care just pours out of you.
tim pool
Isn't he the guy who also said that women wanted dongs?
dr chloe carmichael
Perhaps.
unidentified
It's like part of it.
dr chloe carmichael
One little quote he had that came to mind.
unidentified
That's all.
seamus coughlin
Now we're like putting her on trial.
Like, did he not say this as well?
No, no, I know.
tim pool
I know.
seamus coughlin
He had some interesting, he had some other interesting thoughts on motherhood that I won't get into.
ian crossland
I wonder if the mother and the baby have like a sort of entanglement, quantum entanglement between the two of them energetically.
Like you said, you felt like you were growing more as a person as this baby is also growing as a person.
And I found with my mom, it's purely anecdotal, but I stay up late.
I'm up late at night.
And so is she.
I went like a year without talking to her.
I didn't know she was up late.
Just turned out that our sleep schedules were in line from across the country.
tim pool
Do you think that, Seamus, that when a life is created, part of the souls of the parents make that soul?
seamus coughlin
Where does that soul come from?
From God.
So it's interesting because this is something I sort of got into on the show.
It is not like the soul does not come from the parents.
It comes from God.
That's what the Catholic theology says.
ian crossland
But do you think if the soul was like latching onto a piece of matter, that the parents would create a piece of matter that has a similar latching structure?
unidentified
That a similar soul would I'm not sure what you mean.
ian crossland
It supposits that the soul is latching onto a specific DNA structure or a specific neural geometric pattern.
My brain has a unique pattern that that soul is attracted to.
seamus coughlin
It's interesting because I believe that we're a body-soul composite.
The soul and the body are intimately tied together.
I'm not sure exactly how to answer that question.
I'd have to think about it.
But I think just there is, I mean, I certainly believe there's a very beautiful and special relationship between a mother and child that we can't really understand fully with like reference to other relationships.
People try to sort of analogize the mother-child relationship to other things, especially And the abortion debate which we've gotten into a number of times But it's just like there's something very special and unique and different about that relationship that would almost Bring harm to it to even try to describe.
ian crossland
It's like we can't quite touch it Yeah, I get the sense that there's something there, I just don't have any data.
tim pool
You know what I was thinking?
Let me pull this up right here, this other story.
Would you give up having children to save the planet?
Meet the couples who have.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Okay, well, you know what I was thinking?
It's really funny that the people who believe the world is overpopulated are the same people who believe that you should sterilize your kids, you should not have kids, you should abort your kids, you should gorge yourself until you're on the verge of death because you can be healthy at any size.
And I'm just like, Isn't it weird that all of these weird social things they advocate for just result in less people?
Or is it just like, that's what they want?
seamus coughlin
Well, also, I'm going to be honest, and I don't know these people, but when I hear this, it generally strikes me as a post-hoc rationalization.
I think people choose not to have children for lifestyle reasons, and then they'll say something like, it's for the environment because they want to feel good about themselves.
I don't think, I don't really know anyone who, like, really, really wanted to have kids but went, I can't, it's for Mother Earth.
Most people I know who say that probably weren't going to have kids or have many kids anyway.
tim pool
I think the issue is these young millennial women who aren't having kids are femcels, you know?
Female incels or whatever.
I mean, I guess incel works for women as well as it does for men.
And I think they justify it by saying they're choosing this lifestyle.
It's like sour grapes.
It's like, well, I didn't want to have a kid anyway.
It's like, maybe it just didn't work out for you, so you retreat to the defensive position of, well, I didn't want it, so.
dr chloe carmichael
Yeah, I don't know, because I also know some, like, attractive, married millennials that are not having kids, like, and just have no desire to do it, you know?
tim pool
Well, for sure.
I'm not saying that every instance of a woman not having kids is rats.
No, I think that there are probably many millennial women who it didn't work out for and then claim it was a problem.
ian crossland
With this not-having-kids-to-save-the-planet narrative is that you might choose not to have a kid, unfortunately, but you would have been a phenomenal parent, and that kid could have grown up and made groundbreaking technology that could have made the world so much better.
And then you could be a terrible parent that has ten kids, or one kid, that ends up being a deviant and a hostile individual.
So it really doesn't matter how many, it matters the quality.
How many does matter, but not as much as the quality of what exists.
tim pool
Yeah, but if you have like 50 babies, you're bound to have one good one, right?
ian crossland
Odds are, I guess.
dr chloe carmichael
It's an interesting point about the like, it's almost like a rationalization that you're talking about, you know, where if suppose that you, you know, didn't want to have kids because you didn't want to give up that much of yourself and of your time and you know, then you would think like, okay, well, does that make me selfish?
And then you would invert it by saying, no, no, I'm not selfish at all.
I'm actually doing the world a big favor.
I'm just actually, you know, being so nurturing here of the world by not having kids, you know, so I don't know.
I mean, unfortunately, I think that that may be true for some of them, but I honestly think it's unfortunately that there actually might genuinely be Well, let's take it to the dark place, I suppose.
If you advocate for abortion, you're less likely to have offspring.
by the idea that you know the world is a terrible place or you know that that the
world cannot support those children and that makes me really sad. Well let's take
tim pool
it to the dark place I suppose. If you advocate for abortion you're less likely
to have offspring. If you sterilize your kids you're less likely to have your
genes persist beyond them. If you gorge yourself and you're very very unhealthy
you're also less likely to have kids.
You're gonna be unhealthy.
You'll die earlier.
And your genes will be removed from the future gene pool.
ian crossland
I went through from age 28 to 38.
I'm not bringing a kid into this hellhole.
This earth that's just falling apart.
No.
No way.
And it was...
I started off saying it almost like a joke and then I immediately started believing it.
I noticed people around me started saying it.
And only in the last three or four years have I regained a will to live and a kind of a having faith that we can make it better.
As hard as it is and as dangerous and as destructive as things can be, we can make it better.
And so I'm much more open to the idea.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, that's a very good point.
Because I think it says a lot about the state of a person based on what they believe.
It says a lot less about the world and a lot more about the person.
ian crossland
Yes, I'd given up on reality.
I was blackpilled.
I got way too much information on the internet in 2006 about the military industrial complex, Monsanto, the pharmaceutical companies, all the lies, the media lies.
And I was like, well, I mean, how could we ever dig out of this?
We're buried.
tim pool
You know, for me, I actually felt similar.
I was like, you can't have kids because the climate and everything was bad.
Until I got on the internet and started diving into the deep rabbit holes of YouTube.
And then I realized, because the Earth is flat and actually on the back of a turtle, all of the climate change stuff doesn't matter.
You should have as many kids as you can.
seamus coughlin
Kids like turtles.
unidentified
I like turtles.
dr chloe carmichael
When I was 17, I actually begged a doctor to give me a hysterectomy when I was 17.
seamus coughlin
I've heard a number of people say similar things.
dr chloe carmichael
I would love to hear why you did it.
I did it because I was convinced that I never wanted to have, you know, children.
I was just like, I don't want to have to mess with birth control my whole life.
Like, just give me a hysterectomy.
And I am so thankful that the doctor refused.
lydia smith
So I didn't want a hysterectomy, but I wanted my tubes tied when I was like 20.
And the doctor was like, you are too young.
And I was like, you're insane.
I know exactly what I want.
What are you talking about?
And now, of course, I'm like, oh, I'm 30.
Holy crap.
I would really like to have kids.
Let's go.
Thank goodness that that doctor didn't enable me.
How I look at these doctors giving, like, you know, puberty blockers to kids.
I'm like, holy crap.
It's so bad.
It's bad.
They're just like, you're too young.
I was like, yeah, you know what?
I was.
I had five siblings and I was like, I feel like I raised enough kids for my life.
I'm good on that one.
But now I'm like, yeah, I feel like it's really important.
And these hard times are going to make strong people.
tim pool
So what changed for you?
unidentified
You know, I mean, I was only 17, you know what I mean?
dr chloe carmichael
So I think, you know, what changed is, I mean, my executive lobe matured, right?
You know, like, which, you know, doesn't happen.
You're the executive lobe of your brain, like, which doesn't finish growing until you're like 25, you know?
I was also in a very difficult place in my life.
I had a kind of a crazy childhood and everything.
I just don't think I had a good template in my mind, you know, for what that would look like.
And then, you know, just through maturing and discovering that I could have good relationships and that seeing happy families and realizing that family life could be a lot of fun, it wasn't that big of a leap for me to be like, ah, yes, motherhood.
seamus coughlin
It's wonderful that the doctor was actually concerned with you and your long-term interests rather than simply validating the choice you said you wanted to make at the time.
I think it's very sad that as a society... Affirmative care.
Affirmative care, exactly.
We put so much emphasis on what a person says that they want in any particular moment that we don't even stop to think about their long-term well-being.
And also, if someone at 17 says, I never ever want to have children, not because I want to do X, Y, and Z, or I don't think I'm called to marriage, but I just don't want to bring life into this world.
I think that's serious cause for concern for someone to say, like, hey, what's going on?
Like, why do you feel that way?
A person is revealing that there is, as you mentioned, some kind of difficulty there that you were struggling with.
And a person should care when they hear that and want to help intervene to lift the person, not give them surgeries.
tim pool
Take a look at this opening paragraph from this article.
They say, Gwynne McKellen was 26 when she decided to get sterilized.
It took the recycling consultant five years to find the appropriate doctor under the public health plan she was on, but she was determined.
You know, my only response is if you are predisposed to sterilizing yourself, well, then it's a self-solving problem for everyone else, right?
I'm not saying to be mean.
It's like if you don't want to have kids, your ideas die with you.
seamus coughlin
But here's the thing, I mean, even people with bad ideas can have good children, and we are literally below replacement right now.
So it's actually bad for all of us when people have kids.
tim pool
Okay, Seamus, have four kids.
seamus coughlin
I think I'm going to.
I want, look, I want to have as many as possible once I'm married.
I think, look, if, I'm talking about, I'm like, I'm thinking of being married to one woman.
I think I'm going to be married to one woman.
So this is interesting.
tim pool
Do you know what Irish twins are?
seamus coughlin
No, yes.
I am an Irishman.
Yes, no, absolutely.
I very much know an Irishman.
You know what I heard?
I want to double check on this.
Feel free to fact check this, but I heard that part of why it's generally the stereotype that Irish people have many children.
It's not just because, you know, we're Irish Catholics.
It's because women are, they're less likely to conceive when they're breastfeeding, but for whatever reason, Irish women tend to be more likely to have a mutation where they still will conceive even while they are breastfeeding, which is why you have Irish twins and Irish triplets and Irish babies who are born one after another.
tim pool
So, for those that aren't familiar, Irish twins is basically when the woman gets, conceives, gets pregnant almost immediately after she gives birth, so you actually have siblings who are not a year older than each other.
lydia smith
Yeah, I was 13 months younger than my older sister.
So my parents were not messing around.
tim pool
Not quite Irish twins.
lydia smith
Not quite.
Very close.
Yeah, very close.
tim pool
But it's like, you'll, you'll have two kids and they're just like, how old are you?
I'm 10 and you?
unidentified
10.
tim pool
Oh, you're twins.
Well, we're nine months, 10 months apart.
It's like, oh, not a year apart.
ian crossland
Are there, is there data explaining why?
seamus coughlin
Well, this is, and this is also why I said fact check.
This is something I heard recently that I found interesting and that's why I'm issuing the caveat to fact check this.
I just thought it was a very interesting theory.
You know what we should do?
But it is a phenomenon, right?
People constantly say, well, when you breastfeed, you will not get pregnant.
But I know, I actually know a number of women who do have Irish twins.
It's fascinating in that we call them Irish twins.
I find that really interesting.
tim pool
We should do exponential tax credits, child tax credits.
lydia smith
Yeah, like Hungary?
tim pool
So like the first kid is as X, the second kid is X plus Y, the third kid is X plus Y squared or whatever.
unidentified
I think Iceland did that.
ian crossland
The problem is having kids that you don't take care of just for money.
tim pool
It's not for money, it's a tax credit.
You're not getting money, you're paying less in taxes.
ian crossland
But like a bad parent, that's vague, but like a parent that's vacant, that's off working and has like five kids and they don't instruct them on what's good and then the kids grow up and become villains, you know, that's a problem.
I don't want to encourage that.
tim pool
But we're not giving you money, it's a tax credit.
So you're keeping more of the money you earn.
ian crossland
I just don't know if more is better.
It's the quality of the unit.
lydia smith
If you have more than one child, you need that money.
You need a tax credit.
You need to keep more of the money that you earn.
In fact, they know that one of the problems that children face when they're in a large family is that their parents aren't able to earn quite as much.
This is one of the reasons I wrote about this.
This is why dementia is higher in parents who have more than three children.
Because it's much more stressful to be able to work enough to give, for example, six children, like were in my family, to be able to give them a stable home.
And I still, to this day, don't understand how I was a single, my family was a single income home, my mother was a stay-at-home mother, and I had five siblings.
It's incredible to me.
Like, you cannot duplicate that in this day and age.
ian crossland
You guys did a lot of sustainability, right, at the house?
lydia smith
No, we did have five acres and we had cows and chickens and goats and stuff, but we weren't like a green family.
We just were like culturally sound.
We went to church.
We followed traditional values.
We were homeschooled and my mother stayed at home.
It was very interesting.
tim pool
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All right.
Legamuthigain says, Young Democrat male feminists losing support for feminism
is a depressing reflection of the times.
The supply chain issues have made getting rehypnol difficult for them and suddenly they want trad wives and
gender roles.
Yikes.
lydia smith
Maybe so.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe.
The mind-altering chemicals courtesy of China aren't coming in, huh?
Alright.
John Kirsten says Tim the whole double standard and self-censorship ideas you talk about is Herbert Marcuse idea of repressive
tolerance Oh, yes, we
We talked about that a little bit before the show.
Do you want to explain?
Yeah, yeah.
dr chloe carmichael
So I was listening to the conversations that you guys had a couple nights ago about why, you know, maybe just saying that there's a double standard in the press.
Like Tim was saying, like, I'm just sick of saying it.
Like, can we just stop?
Because we're just saying it and it's stupid to just keep saying it.
And I was saying that in an abusive relationship, it's actually really important to keep naming
and describing and saying what the abuse is, because otherwise we actually can go into denial about it
or we can start normalizing it.
And so even if we feel powerless to fight it, which Tim was telling me as well,
that what he wants is for people to not just, you know, quit talking about it,
but for people to start doing something about it, which I think is great.
But I was saying, like, even if you don't feel like you're ready to do something about it, you should, I think, not, you know, quit talking about it.
Because when we quit talking about something, then we lose touch with the reality of that thing.
And we need to stay focused on it.
Actually, with my book, Nervous Energy Harness the Power of Your Anxiety, the whole idea there is that you take that awareness when you sense an injustice and that something is wrong or you're having an emotion about it, and you use that emotion to fuel behavior to make a change.
So when you're like getting upset that there's this double standard, you would then say to yourself, like, okay, well, what are five things that I can do to, you know, fight this double standard?
And Tim was talking about his parallel economy idea, which I think is very intriguing.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, so we were talking and I said, what's the point of telling everyone over and over again?
There's a double standard we can all plainly see and experience.
And the solution is, well, we should be investing in utilizing alternate infrastructures, alternative infrastructures.
So when big tech doesn't ban Antifa, but they do ban some random guys that learn to code.
We need to start just saying, we get it.
We're in an abusive relationship and it's time to leave.
So we'll make our own platforms.
That's what's happening.
That's why we're using Rumble cloud infrastructure for the website.
We use Rumble for our members only section.
And we've got some other things in the works that I frequently mention we can't talk about until we do it.
For security reasons, but we've got stuff we're working on.
ian crossland
That's really interesting about speaking up about injustice and continuing to, because in some countries you'd be killed for speaking up, and we have the First Amendment, and that's like a form of exercising that, and like a duty to continue to exercise that.
dr chloe carmichael
Right, which is, I have to say, my next blog is going to be about the mental health benefits of free speech.
So if anybody wants to get that blog sent to them, you can go to makeachange.us, makeachange.us, and give me your email and I will send you my blog when it comes out on mental health benefits of free speech.
tim pool
We got a super chat here.
I am honored.
It's from Joe Biden, and it says, Seamus's hair looks like it smells good.
lydia smith
Come on, man.
unidentified
Confirmed.
tim pool
Well, you know, that's old Joe, huh?
seamus coughlin
That's old Joe.
But is there, I mean, it's not a high compliment.
Is there anyone whose hair he doesn't think looks like it smells good?
Well, that's a good point.
Let me smell that hair, man.
Come on, man.
unidentified
What are you doing, man?
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, watched What Is A Woman so good, yet so sad too.
Seamus made a funny joke about, uh, about it.
seamus coughlin
Oh, yeah, I was like, oh, Ian mentioned he was watching it before the show.
I was like, bro, you're not gonna believe the plot twist.
Like, when they find out what a woman is, I was like, oh my gosh.
tim pool
The twist at the end is amazing.
seamus coughlin
Turns out Matt Walsh is a woman.
Turns out Matt Walsh is like, I guess I'm a woman.
tim pool
He was a woman the whole time?
seamus coughlin
No, props to him.
It really was very good.
tim pool
The whole movie is just about his gender transition?
seamus coughlin
What is a woman?
He's like, just slowly looks more and more like a woman throughout the film.
It's at the end, he's like, I'm a woman.
tim pool
There are funny bits in there, though.
You gotta see it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
He's like, is my son my daughter?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't want to spoil it, though, so.
seamus coughlin
It is really good.
tim pool
All right.
Ola says, Luke, where are you?
I have questions about Steven Banderas and Poland.
Poland and Ukraine, how connected are they?
I.e., is it better to be a Nazi just to oppose Russia?
P.S., What Is Woman was great.
Luke, I think is gonna be here tomorrow.
ian crossland
Solid.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
ian crossland
We're talking about the Azov, good question.
Yep, that's right.
And no, I don't think it's better to be a Nazi.
tim pool
There's a funny meme and it says, you never ask a man his salary, you never ask a woman her age, and you never ask the Azov battalion what this symbol means, and it's the black sun.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Flo says, any misogynistic transphobic speech and coded rhetoric espoused here will be monitored and recorded.
You should learn to tone down your views.
Believe women.
Trans lives matter.
We're building a better world.
You can't stop us.
Simply accept it.
Thank you for the $50.
Good sir.
Eyes keen.
Correction, Shimcast.
A word can mean whatever you want it to mean, except what it actually means.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh.
That's actually very true.
tim pool
Joe Biden back with another super chat.
He says, anyone seen my nurse?
My pony orange fell off my Jupiter chair and the grilled cheese people attacked the saloon.
lydia smith
Come on, man.
tim pool
The grilled cheese.
Is that something he said?
seamus coughlin
I look no malarkey there.
lydia smith
No malarkey.
tim pool
What were they thinking with that slogan?
No malarkey.
They're like, he's really old.
So let's, let's roll with it.
seamus coughlin
There was one, one of the few funny more recent Onion articles was like Joe Biden appeals to 1930s tough guys with his new slogan, no malarkey.
tim pool
Aside of salt says, for what is an assault weapon?
Get in touch with Langley Outdoors Academy, Reno May Guns and Gadgets, and the Firearms Policy Coalition.
They'd be great resources.
I'm really excited for this one to do like a deep dive on the history of the Second Amendment.
You do like an intro on like what the Founding Fathers actually expected and what they meant.
And you can take a look at, I mean, there's quotes in the Founding Fathers where they're like, the government may become tyrannical.
You better give everyone guns.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Well, it's not just guns.
Arms also include armor.
tim pool
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
Armament included cannons and privateers and all of that crazy stuff.
dr chloe carmichael
You know, I loved what Carrie Sheffield said on your show also a couple days ago when she talked about how guns for women actually are the great equalizer.
They give us an extra layer of protection that helps us a lot.
tim pool
There's a viral video out of Brazil where a guy walks up to a group of women and tries robbing them and then a woman just pulls out her gun.
ian crossland
That's a powerful video.
You've seen it in broad daylight.
tim pool
Yeah.
There's so many videos from Brazil like that.
But yeah, man, women don't have to be worried when they're packing.
ian crossland
And the men don't have to be worried about the women when they're packing.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, you still have to be a little worried, you still have to worry for others, but for
the most part I worry substantially less.
It's like you're going out, stay out of dark alleys, oh you're armed?
Well, you know, stay out of them anyway.
seamus coughlin
Don't hang out in the dark alley, you're fine!
unidentified
You got this.
lydia smith
Your aim is good.
tim pool
John Curzon says, Ian was rare form last night.
Double mopping and the I elongated myself adding an inch and a half had me dying.
Ian never showed up.
The double mopping thing was bruising.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, I was trying to, what timestamp was that at?
I wanted to watch that.
lydia smith
Yeah, I don't know.
ian crossland
I felt like I embodied the double mopper.
lydia smith
That's right.
ian crossland
Like really pushing the mops, you know?
tim pool
Sure.
Alright, alright.
ian crossland
That was all Tyler last night.
lydia smith
That was great.
ian crossland
That's hilarious.
lydia smith
So good.
tim pool
Tcraft says, due to this wave of feminism, my son, 17 years old, has stated that he isn't getting married and saving the money to have a surrogate to become a single dad.
Now kids need moms and dads, yo.
seamus coughlin
Well, look, when you were 17, you wanted a hysterectomy.
Don't assume that this is how he's always going to feel.
lydia smith
True.
dr chloe carmichael
That's right.
Maybe he'll save up that money and he'll end up buying an engagement ring.
seamus coughlin
You never know.
tim pool
You've got to do the handyman.
seamus coughlin
Don't spoil it.
We're working on it.
ian crossland
I've noticed when people say, I'm never going to blank, that's usually not real.
seamus coughlin
It's true, right?
Because how could you know?
How could you know?
dr chloe carmichael
Well, you know, in psychology, we have something called the need-fear dilemma, which is the thing that we need the most, like lonely people, like they crave companionship, but they also fear it the most as well.
Like the need-fear dilemma, the things we need are often the things we fear.
unidentified
Sounds fun.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm down.
John says the billboards are a good stick, are good to stick a finger to the elite news class.
You need to reach everyday people.
They are only reachable via word of mouth.
Sponsor Timcast in the park where your show is on a projector for foot traffic.
lydia smith
That sounds fun.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm down.
That's great.
How about this?
Anybody who's watching who wants to put on one of those events, do it.
lydia smith
Let's do it, yeah.
tim pool
And then you get one of those 20-foot projector screens.
How much do those things cost?
It can't be too much, right?
I don't want to say it's cheap, but you need a good projector and a PA.
lydia smith
Like on the wall of a building?
tim pool
Oh yeah, you could do that too.
dr chloe carmichael
Yeah.
lydia smith
I don't know if you can make rules against that.
tim pool
So basically everyone in every jurisdiction for the summer can do... Oh, July is MAGA Month.
lydia smith
That's right!
tim pool
So how about for MAGA Month, you guys rent a space in a park to do a showing.
But don't just do our show.
Maybe do a screening of What Is A Woman?
ian crossland
I just pulled up a 20-foot projector.
220 bucks.
tim pool
Okay, not everybody can afford that, but, you know, if you're interested, that'd be really, really cool.
And I wouldn't want to just be like, promote our show.
I mean, have our show, have other shows.
Maybe do like an all-day thing where you'll play like various documentaries, films, Jordan Peterson.
This is the big thing.
Community building.
So we're talking about doing skate competitions, blading, rollerblading, scooting, bike, all that stuff.
So that we can tell people, buy some of the stuff for your kids, get your kids a skateboard, get them rollerblades, get them a scooter, bring them on to the park where we're gonna have burgers and hang out and everyone gets to talk.
Community building is so important.
dr chloe carmichael
Yes.
tim pool
All right.
King Tesseract says, so you guys watch anime occasionally?
Have you watched TTGL?
Seamus might like it because it's basically the Gospel of St.
Simon Peter written by Michael Bay on LSD.
It's an anime version of the Gospels.
Fair warning, it was aimed at 14-year-old Japanese boys.
What is TTGL?
ian crossland
Tangentapa Gurren Lagann.
tim pool
Oh, is that what it is?
ian crossland
That's what it looks like, yeah.
tim pool
Is it really the Gospel of St.
Simon Peter?
unidentified
I don't know.
lydia smith
Curious now.
tim pool
Ian Kinney says you should have Warren Thomas Farrell on the show.
He initially came to prominence in the 1970s as a supporter of second-wave feminism, now fights for men and is the author of The Boy Crosses.
I am familiar.
I watched a video a long time ago where this guy was trying to go to a lecture on male suicides, and leftists and feminists blocked the doors.
And this guy was trying to go and they wouldn't let him in.
And they're like, why are you coming here?
This guy's a bigot.
And he's like, I want to know why my friend killed himself.
And they were like, get out of here, you Nazi, and it was crazy stuff.
These people are Nazis, man.
Sad stuff.
Susie Anna says, after my youngest, along with male classmates, were daily forced to sit legs crossed like a girl, and the females sat with their legs spread like boys, the next semester I pulled my six boys from public school.
You know what the funniest thing about the man-spreading stuff was?
They were like... I just felt like a bunch of dudes outed themselves as having small balls or something.
Because I was like, dude, I don't like crossing my legs like that because it hurts my junk.
And then there are these guys who are like, just sit with your legs crossed.
And I'm like, men sit with their legs crossed with their ankle on their knee.
Women sit with their legs crossed with knee over knee.
dr chloe carmichael
It looks weird to me when I see a man crossing his legs like a woman.
lydia smith
Very effeminate.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean...
ian crossland
I love doing it every once in a while.
You get into that, like, bohemian artist look where, like, they have a cigarette hanging out of their fingers and they're all tight and twisted.
tim pool
Well, like I just said, some men are outing themselves and having small junk, I guess.
ian crossland
Yeah, you gotta move back and get your junk lower than your, like, below your legs if you're gonna twist and turn.
tim pool
I just think it was really funny that they did an ad campaign in subways and billboards being like, no manspreading.
And it was just, like, this idea of manspreading is not a real thing.
Like, there's videos of women and they're, like, cowering as the man's pushing his legs.
ian crossland
He's so pressed.
tim pool
It's like his man's legs are spread.
So there was femme bagging became a thing.
Women putting their bags on the chairs.
I think someone made a video of women pressing their boobs against a guy and he got really mad.
lydia smith
He got mad?
tim pool
Yeah, it was a gag video.
unidentified
It was like, how dare you boob smush me?
tim pool
Get those things out of here!
And she's like, I can't.
I'm like, they're on my chest.
And he's like, yeah, but my balls are in my legs.
Flo says, Conservatives have for too long bragged about their socioeconomic successes, culture, and their privilege to defend their property, all at the expense of black and trans lives.
It's time that we Democrats change the conversation and act.
Wow, Flo, thank you for another $50.
Yeah, interesting.
We're more than happy to read all of those.
I don't know if that's meant to be sarcastic or a joke or whatever.
It's very generic, but I'll take your money to read it.
lydia smith
You do need to change the conversation, not the way they want to.
tim pool
Yeah, change the conversation.
All right.
What do we got here?
Colin Hinrichs says, Me too has taught us that consent can be revoked once regret is established.
Keep rocking guys and gals.
I got something from basic training back in 99 I'm going to send y'all.
Cool.
Sam Good says, Seamus, do you believe husband and wife are allowed to have sex for fun?
seamus coughlin
Uh, well, husband and wife should be, uh, having sex with one another.
I don't believe that you should do anything which precludes the possibility of having a child, but it's not as if every single time people have sex, they're gonna be sitting there thinking, like, we are making a child right now, and that's our... What about pulling out?
Yeah, oh, yes, we're also against that.
ian crossland
Really?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Like, the Catholic Church is against it?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
Because it prevents the final end of the sexual act, right?
It's for the purposes of unity and procreation, and so you're preventing, you're getting the pleasure out of it without fulfilling the purpose.
tim pool
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, being called right-wing is not a smear.
Yes, it is.
It's called poisoning the well.
The idea is to create a negative interpretation of what right-wing means, accuse your opponents of being that thing, with a buzz term that many on the right are willing to accept, that way when people are like, you know what, I guess I am a conservative, you've poisoned the well on behalf of the person smearing you.
Then, the brainwashed NPC liberals, or the default liberals, who hear right-wing equals bad, see you say, I guess I am, and then they go, okay, you're bad then.
So, when they call you right-wing, they're doing it to otherize you, so it's more difficult for you to reach regular people.
But for people who are fine with it, you're right.
You know, they don't care.
Let's see, Raksha Jenkins says, Ian, you are overbashed and underappreciated.
I appreciate your unique and likely neurodivergent view on things.
I get what it's like when you perceive weird peripheral connections between things that others don't.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think of ideas as geometric shapes in a three-dimensional sphere that are all kind of fitting into each other like a Rubik's Cube.
So when people bring up an idea that I don't understand, I still see the shape of it and how it fits into the conversation.
tim pool
Wandering Mage says, so we all doing MAGA month in July, right guys?
Serious point.
Title IX makes dating at college is a minefield.
Keep in mind that three most common places people meet their spouses is school, work, and church.
Yep.
July is MAGA month?
Dude, we are gonna be making burgers and dogs every weekend.
lydia smith
We better make some before the show on the 4th.
tim pool
We got Portillo's!
ian crossland
I think the best social media dating app is YouTube, personally.
Because if you make videos, and you put yourself, your real self out there, people see it, and then the people that you would get along with contact you, and you just take it seriously.
tim pool
I'm really excited for Magamoth.
lydia smith
I am too.
ian crossland
I can't do it.
I can't do it.
I feel like it's provoking.
It's attempting to provoke people.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
It's the 4th of July, bro!
ian crossland
Well, I'm celebrating that.
lydia smith
Independence Day, yeah.
tim pool
And that's the point.
ian crossland
But calling it... It's too, like, Republican.
unidentified
It's too, like, political for me.
tim pool
I disagree.
I think we're gonna change all of our background photos to American flags.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
It's Fourth of July.
ian crossland
Yeah, make America great, man.
tim pool
Absolutely.
ian crossland
Make America great, Ian Crossland.
tim pool
And then, don't you want an excuse to just have burgers every weekend?
That's all it really is.
It's like, yo, America, woo, let's get burgers.
ian crossland
Lettuce wrap?
Yeah, if we wrap it in lettuce, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll do lettuce wrap.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, Biden's gonna come out against MAGA month by making beef so expensive that no one can celebrate it.
lydia smith
He's already there.
tim pool
Yeah, we got snacks for the house just now and it was like $250.
So much money.
ian crossland
Beanburgers.
tim pool
It was just like salamis and cheese and it was insanely expensive.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I remember a few years ago, we'd go to the grocery store and fill up the cart for 300 bucks.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Then one day, like last year, we went to the supermarket, cart was half full and it was 300 and something bucks.
ian crossland
Did you see Jamie Diamond?
tim pool
He's the... Diamond?
ian crossland
Diamond.
Thank you, Jamie Diamonds.
He said that storm clouds, he said that people are about to face an economic hurricane that is incomprehensible.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Gas prices.
tim pool
Dude, the diesel shortages.
Forget the price of diesel.
When the trucker's like, I'd like to bring the food to your store, but I have no gas.
ian crossland
But Jamie Dimon also said crypto is a joke, and then he bought a bunch.
tim pool
And then he bought a bunch.
That's what I love when these like, these progressive and these lefties are like, but crypto is a scam.
And I'm like, All of these big banks and institutions are buying it up while telling you it's a scam.
I mean, that says something, doesn't it?
Did you not learn anything from 2008?
Come on.
All right, all right.
Let's get some more superchats in here.
Okay, where are we at?
Bomb Globe says, give me your fluids, women.
I don't think that pickup line is going to work.
ian crossland
No, it's trade me your fluids.
lydia smith
Try it.
Just try that.
ian crossland
Trade with me.
lydia smith
Try trading fluids and see how that goes.
Let's trade.
tim pool
John Hanson says, what are the chances of getting John Stossel on?
Ian, check out Rob Braxman, internet privacy guy, that's right up your alley.
Uh, Jon Starsall is always welcome on the show.
He's amazing.
lydia smith
He is.
tim pool
But he's also very old.
unidentified
I don't know if he can do it.
lydia smith
He is somewhat old.
I have talked to his people and he's very busy and also very old.
That's a deadly combination.
ian crossland
He'll love that you guys are saying that about him.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Oh, I know.
He's gonna love it.
I've been on his show.
He had me on.
ian crossland
Oh, he's awesome.
lydia smith
Yeah, he's great.
tim pool
ToTheMoon says, have you ever had a baked potato?
They're pretty sexy.
lydia smith
It's pretty great, yeah.
Yeah, Seamus, let's say you.
seamus coughlin
Why does every potato thing have to be turned back to me?
tim pool
The funny thing is, you're the one who started it.
seamus coughlin
No, I'm not.
You guys literally are.
ian crossland
Hey, real talk, do you prefer sweet potato or regular potato?
seamus coughlin
Oh, regular potato.
I'm a regular potato man.
ian crossland
Irish propaganda.
seamus coughlin
Are you kidding me?
Bro, I'm already sweet enough.
tim pool
That's true, yeah.
We had an idea for the vlog for a bit where it's a background gag where just like Seamus uses potatoes as currency.
So it's not like directly addressed in the show.
You just like, you'll see him in the background and a pizza guy will be at the door while you'll see someone talking in the foreground in the background.
Seamus will take a pizza from the pizza guy and then hand him a potato.
But then the pizza guy will take out two smaller potatoes as change and give it to him and take the big potato.
seamus coughlin
I only did that once and they want it to be like a regular thing.
It's ridiculous.
tim pool
You know what we can do?
seamus coughlin
Favorite pizza with potatoes once.
tim pool
The pizza place will be like Patty's Pizza.
unidentified
So it'll be like an Irish pizza place.
seamus coughlin
First of all, I would never ever pay for food made by Irish people.
It's like, are you crazy?
tim pool
That's nuts, dude.
Shepherd's pie is legit.
lydia smith
Corned beef, man.
seamus coughlin
Every now and again.
tim pool
Shepherd's pie is delicious.
So good.
I remember when I went to Ireland and I was just like, I went to a restaurant and they were like, what are you having?
And I was like, oh, come on.
lydia smith
Irish food.
tim pool
I'm an American.
And they were like, a pint of Guinness and a Shepherd's pie.
And I was like, yes, please.
Thank you.
lydia smith
Of course.
tim pool
But then I was informed that I was in Northern Ireland, so it didn't count.
seamus coughlin
No, it didn't.
unidentified
No, it didn't count.
tim pool
They were like, you have to go to Dublin.
And I was like, that is, okay, I accept that, I guess.
Although the people up there didn't, you know, they were cool.
Martin Edgar says my daughter said her mom told her first marriage is for love, the second is for money.
Her mom and I got married in 1990 and divorced in 96.
She's been married four times.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
No, but I think that one actually is a better saying.
You know why?
The first time is for love.
It means you mean it.
And at that point, if you're getting married again, you're just doing it because you're trying to exploit it.
unidentified
That's fair.
Good point.
dr chloe carmichael
Yeah, but why would you be getting married again if your first marriage was for love?
Why would that marriage end?
I don't understand.
ian crossland
I think because the Greeks have divided into eight different types of love and sometimes people feel one or a few of them, but it's not holistic.
And when you find that holistic love, it usually lasts.
dr chloe carmichael
Yeah, but if you're going to get married for love, the whole point is you don't want to ever have to say goodbye.
I don't know.
tim pool
Pedro Henrique says, Tim, I am a sucker for your takes.
I'm a right-wing libertarian that'd love to neighbor settlements with your socialist compound.
Thank you for bringing in some logical sense, and kudos to him to get you.
West Virginia, man, this is the dream.
Everybody's like Texas, and I'm like, nah.
Although I think it's fair to say that those who are moving to Texas and Florida are fighting a good fight.
You're- you're changing, you know, these are- these are- Texas is turning purple, Florida has been purple, and if you move there and you pull back, you're- you're helping secure those locations, so I can respect that.
MothMoniker says, could you have Elon Musk on Timcast and also Thunderf00t have them on the podcast for a couple hours?
Now that- now is the time for Philip to roast Musk in front of the world, have them at the same time together.
Yeah, I wish.
Thunderf00t, sure.
Um, Elon, Oh, fingers crossed.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I do want to mention though, we got Starlink.
So I've been on the wait list for Starlink for like a year.
Then they launched Starvink, Starvink, Starlink, Starvink, Starlink for RV.
That's why I said that merged them on accident.
The, so the RV version is instant.
We got it right away.
They shipped it as soon as I ordered it.
184 megabits down, five megabits up, 82 millisecond latency.
ian crossland
We're gonna have to figure out how to make Starlink satellites out of metamaterials that are see-through so that they're more defensible to Chinese attack.
tim pool
There's an article saying that.
ian crossland
And they won't clog up the sky.
tim pool
So the issue is, with 5 megabits up, we would not be able to do the show unless we dropped it down to like 480.
480p.
And then we'd be streaming I think like 700k, and that would be possible.
It's an option.
If we're on the road and we want, like, so Porkfest, this big libertarian thing in New Hampshire, we're not going to be making it there, but we were considering it.
The challenge was, how do you get internet in the middle of nowhere?
Now that we have Starlink, we'd be able to do a lower quality broadcast using Starlink, so that would be cool.
So we can be in the middle of a desert and do a show.
lydia smith
That's really cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So I'm glad we got Starlink.
This is exactly what I needed it for, for the mobile studio.
And it's good to have just as an alternative.
ian crossland
We could go to the desert on the van, open up the side of the van, flash lights on a sitting in the desert and record us like with the desert in the background.
lydia smith
Yes, that'd be great.
ian crossland
Yeah, I want to do a show like we could play a live show like that too.
lydia smith
It'd be fun.
Yeah.
tim pool
WordsArePower says, have y'all heard of a, quote, girlfriend experience?
It's something that sex workers offer to mimic a relationship with a person for a set period of time.
I think it's terrible that people are only getting cheap imitations of the real thing.
seamus coughlin
I'm sure it ain't cheap.
Probably costs a lot of money.
tim pool
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
But no, totally agreed.
Very sad.
tim pool
But, you know, people, the funny thing is you assume it's going to be like snuggling and having breakfast when in reality it's like yelling at you about leaving your shirt on the floor again.
It's like you kicked your shoes off and you threw your socks on the floor.
I swear, like, you know, throughout my house there are socks just everywhere.
lydia smith
I believe it.
tim pool
Because I'll take my socks off and just throw them.
I think there's like a pair of shoes and socks underneath the table.
lydia smith
There's shoes up here, I know.
seamus coughlin
That's hilarious.
No, I was thinking the exact same thing.
Like, wouldn't it be hilarious if it was just like you're fighting all the time?
ian crossland
I looked around my room and there was clothes laying everywhere.
I was like, I'm starting to look like Tim's house.
My room looks like Tim's room.
lydia smith
You can remedy this, Ian.
tim pool
No, my house actually looks like my room.
It was funny, the other day I brought up, so Allison is my girlfriend and she was mountain biking.
and so I ate bacon dipped in cheese sauce for dinner and then I mentioned that and she started laughing her ass off because like when she's around I have like grilled chicken breast with fresh vegetables and then when she's not I just dip bacon and cheese I'm like that sounds like a really typical man thing to do it's like well I can't cook so you can cook you're a great cook yeah but I don't have time and so I'm just like Dipping bacon and cheese is really good.
ian crossland
It's keto.
tim pool
It's keto, but it was delicious.
And I made the cheese sauce.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
tim pool
I made it the previous night.
It was, uh, you know, because I know how to make cheese sauce.
ian crossland
We just melt cheese?
tim pool
So, cheese, cream, and then a little cornstarch to thicken it up and get a nice, you know, queso going.
But it was a couple different kinds of cheese.
Garlic.
It's a little spice in it.
A little spice.
ian crossland
Like fresh garlic in there?
tim pool
Oh yeah.
dr chloe carmichael
I'm getting hungry.
It sounds delicious.
tim pool
It was really good.
And then the next day, I'm looking in the fridge and there's like raw chicken breast and I'm like, well, I'm not cooking that.
You know, I don't, I don't even know where to begin.
And there's like peppers and vegetables and broccoli.
And then I just grabbed the cheese sauce, microwaved it.
And then we have this prepackaged bacon that Libby Emmons swears by.
She's like, this is so good.
And then I just peeled it open and was like dipping it in the cheese.
I was looking for chips, to have just chips, and I didn't have any.
So I was like, alright, I guess I'll just dip bacon in this.
ian crossland
You ever make potato chips?
That's pretty fun.
tim pool
Yeah!
ian crossland
Just slice up the bacon.
tim pool
Fry them up.
ian crossland
Oh, you can fry them too.
tim pool
Yeah, and you can bake tortilla chips too.
That's a lot of fun.
Alright, where were we?
Alright, Nate Garland says, My wife and I met and dated in high school, and then got married at 21, both 31 now.
We're both sinners, saved by grace, so we understand we will fail each other.
10 years and 3 kids later, praise God.
There you go.
unidentified
Good for you.
seamus coughlin
God bless you.
tim pool
Shamim Islam says language is the culprit.
Marriage is the real relationship.
Relationships before marriage are now an excuse to have sex, resulting in perverse instant... instantation... what is it?
seamus coughlin
Instant... instantiation?
tim pool
Instantiation?
Love that word, man.
ian crossland
I believe that having kids is more of a commitment than marriage.
Am I off on that?
tim pool
There's reasons for marriage and it greatly involves children.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I hear that.
Well, it's funny because on the one hand, I knew someone who had a kid with someone and I was like, oh, when you guys get married, he's like, no, it's too much of a commitment.
I was like, you have a child?
What are you talking about?
You have brought a human into the world with this person.
So people, yeah.
But I do believe marriage is a very, very serious commitment as well.
People do need to take it extremely seriously.
It's still death.
It's still death you part.
You know you're gonna be with that person till that you have to care like you have a responsibility to your children, right?
But you know your children can sort of move away and go other places like you are going to be with that spouse forever if you're doing it right.
tim pool
Gaming with Spoon says just wanted to say thank you Tim finally caved and watched Star Trek because you wouldn't stop talking about it and absolutely loving it.
Keep on fighting the fight you guys give me hope that we can get through.
Star Trek The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine.
Yo, Deep Space Nine, man.
In the Pale Moonlight, the episode where, I'm gonna spoil it because it's just amazing and you gotta watch it, where they basically, the Federation stages a false flag attack to force one of their adversaries into a war on their side.
Brutal.
What a, what a great show.
Next Generation's legit.
All the new Star Trek stuff is just like, ugh.
I'll give, I'll, I'll, I'll try watching the new one, I don't know what it's called, what it's called, Strange New World or something?
Man.
Map prequels.
Come on.
Give me an advanced All right skater own solution says Tim How can we get the Tim cast boards previously mentioned want to have them to give away at a contest we are doing?
Send your address To spin the UFO at gmail.com and we will have some step on snake and find out skateboards sent to you.
lydia smith
Oh And if you would be so kind, title it very clearly what you're emailing about.
Tell me you're asking for Step on Snake boards.
tim pool
Not only that, I'll tell you what else we'll do.
If you have a skate shop and you want some free boards to sell or giveaway or whatever, send us your info.
We've sent skate shops, Timcast skateboards before.
We have two graphics.
One just says Timcast on it and one says Step on Snake and find out.
So we'll send you A lot.
I think we sent, like, 50 to a shop.
And it's free.
Like, we'll give them to you.
For us, it's marketing.
For you, you can sell it and make money and support your shop.
So, I think it's a really, really good idea.
Like, the idea that we're gonna have a bunch of young people with, like, boards that rep, you know, the show and the website.
The skate shops basically are getting a donation that allows them to make money to keep going.
Uh, and not only that, with the boards we send to you, you can sell them for whatever you want.
So that means if you've got kids who are like, I can't afford a board, it's no sweat off your back to be like, take this one for free dude, keep skating.
So that's what we hope to do.
That's really, I'm really excited about that.
Alright, let's see.
We'll grab one more.
Jill Plea says, I am a mother of four.
I have a good friend who will never have children due to mental health reasons.
She is an aunt to my children and that is enough for her.
Well, I respect that.
That's cool.
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Dr. Chloe, do you want to shout anything out?
dr chloe carmichael
Yeah, makeachange.us.
And makeachange.us is where you can get information on my socials and my blog on the mental health benefits of free speech.
And my book, Nervous Energy, Harness the Power of Your Anxiety.
And my other book, Dr. Chloe's Ten Commandments of Dating.
Very cool.
seamus coughlin
Fantastic.
Seamus Coghlan.
Freedomtunes.com, ladies and gentlemen.
We just launched a membership portion for five bucks a month.
You get an extra animated video every week.
We're also going to be uploading behind-the-scenes stuff, such as Tim and I improv-ing some of the videos we've improv-ed together.
Really cool stuff.
I really hope you enjoy it, and we're going to start uploads to that next week.
There's already five cartoons there waiting, and a bunch of other videos.
So, thank you very much, and have a great weekend!
ian crossland
We're about to wrap.
We're not doing an after show.
I had a burning question about your book.
What's the simplest way in an elevator pitch style to convert or redirect your nervous energy?
dr chloe carmichael
So when you feel yourself feeling anxious, you just ask yourself, what could be the healthy action that this anxiety is trying to stimulate me to take?
Because the healthy function of anxiety is to stimulate preparation behaviors.
So when you feel anxious, you say to yourself, well, what could I do right now that would help to improve my current or future situation?
But I go into a lot more detail in the book.
ian crossland
Thank you.
dr chloe carmichael
Yes.
ian crossland
Fallmediancrossroad.net.
If you want to catch you later.
lydia smith
This book sounds awesome.
I'm really looking forward to reading it, and I hope that you're willing to leave a copy or two for us, for sure.
I feel like anxiety is something that's not addressed enough.
It's something left over from when we were evolving to keep us on our toes and keep us from being eaten, which is a very useful strategy when there are saber-toothed tigers around, but not so much when we're, like, living and working in cubicles and stuff.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to reading it.
Thank you very much for joining us.
You guys may follow me on Twitter and Minds.com, at sarahpetchlitz, as well as sarahpetchlitz.me.
tim pool
Check out chickencitylive.com if you would like to watch our Chicken City as they do chicken stuff.
Like sleep.
Like sleep, right now.
And you can give, right now we have the chicken lullaby set up.
So every $100 in Super Chats, after 8pm, it plays a very soothing lullaby for the chickens.
We researched this.
Chickens like classical music, so we did Brahms' lullaby with strings and everything.
Check it out, it's a lot of fun to just watch.
But people go there, hang out, and chat, so they keep the chat going.
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
We will be back next week.
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