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Timcast IRL - Elon Musk Is PISSED At Report Of Bill Gates Funding Smears w/Eron Wolf & Ian Mason

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unidentified		you you
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		you recently Breitbart released a report showing that much of
		the non-profits that were going after Elon Musk criticizing his
		attempt buying Twitter were funded by Bill Gates Elon Musk was already very critical of Bill Gates, even posting a meme of him as the pregnant man emoji, and we all had a laugh.
		But now he's responded to the story, saying, sigh.
		I don't know exactly what that means other than Elon knows about it, but this resulted in Breitbart trending earlier today on Twitter because Elon responding to it has elevated this story.
		And there's something interesting here because there's like some kind of yin-yang, good versus evil, Elon versus Gates thing going on where Elon Musk is like, hey, we need more people.
		Like, you need more people on this planet to sustain and develop and grow, and population is declining.
		These are bad things.
		And free speech, the people should have a right, should have freedom.
		And then Bill Gates is exactly the opposite, saying we need to reduce population and free speech is bad, issuing a statement saying he's going to muck things up on Twitter.
		So this is actually a really interesting story that gets to the heart of this.
		I mean, you've got two billionaires basically at war in the greater culture war.
		So we'll talk about that.
		We got a couple other stories.
		Democrats have won an appeal to a federal court allowing them to now pursue disqualifying Republicans from being able to run for office under the 14th Amendment.
		So there was a ruling saying you can't use the 14th Amendment to disqualify Republicans because of this clemency bill that happened in 1872.
		And a federal court said, no, that's not true.
		If you today, after the Civil War, insurrect, you can be barred from running for office.
		So, it doesn't mean anybody's been found to be insurrecting against the United States, but you've already got many Democrats saying anyone who voted not to certify the election in 2020 committed insurrection.
		So, this is where they're going.
		They can't win the election, so they're going for lawfare, which says to me that all of this is just pushing us ever closer from civil strife into some kind of civil war.
		And don't don't take my word for it.
		Robert Reich wrote an article where he explained that, you know, it's not going to be a civil war.
		It's going to be a peaceful divorce that people will just slowly start going to other places.
		The red, you know, red voters will go to red states and blue voters to blue states.
		And it's funny because that's kind of exactly what was happening with the first civil war.
		So we'll talk about all that stuff.
		We'll talk about tech oligarchy and censorship and joining us to talk about this today.
		Actually, we have two Ians, but our first guest, Aaron Wolf.
unidentified		Hi there.
		I'm Aaron Wolfe.
		I'm working on tech freedom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you want a little bit about your background?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you can point the microphone just like trying to aim it at your mouth.
unidentified		There we go.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
unidentified		All right.
		What do you do?
		So I'm a programmer.
		I dropped out of grad school in 97 to go work at Yahoo.
		Basically spent 18 years in Silicon Valley.
		Going with the flow for the most part, but also kind of being an obnoxious dissenter a lot of the times, too.
		By 20, I basically worked for five years at Yahoo, did random gigs and nonsense, invested in WhatsApp, doubled my money several times, investing in big tech and kind of At a certain point, I decided I needed to do what I dropped out of grad school for, which is create good software.
		So I'm trying to do what I can to kind of facilitate good software to be created.
		And I don't see any of the big tech giants doing that now.
		They're actually conspiring to make our software worse in many different ways.
		Censorship kind of is the biggest right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you're involved with Minds.com.
unidentified		Yes, one of the first things I did is investinminds.com.
		So I helped them, you know, keep going.
		They're doing great work, you know, with an open source social network.
		Very, very focused on freedom of speech.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on, right on.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we also have another Ian.
unidentified		Hey.
		I'm Ian Mason.
		I'm helping Aaron build FUDO.
		I moved to Austin to do that.
		Yeah, I mean, his mission just attracted me.
		The Internet and the tech world as we had it for twenty, twenty-five years there created so much.
		It democratized speech.
		It gave people access to information like they'd never had before.
		I mean, this show couldn't possibly be happening without that sort of The freewheeling spirit of the tech world prior to maybe 10 years ago.
		And if we're going to preserve that, I think it can't just be done through politics.
		It has to be done through technological means.
		And that's what I feel like Aaron's mission is.
		And I'm here to help him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So as we talk about big tech censorship and the tech oligarchs and all that stuff, you mentioned FUTO, right?
		So this is what you guys are working on.
		What is it?
		Just so people get a general idea of like what your mission is and what's the background.
unidentified		So FUTO is an organization where Basically spending a lot of money trying to do whatever we can to chip away at the power that the tech oligopoly has.
		So we're going to be funding people with grant programs, get them coding, get people coding, get people to quit their jobs at Google and Facebook.
		There's a lot of people at those companies who hate those companies, but they don't know if there's anything else they can do that's interesting even.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So, uh, you know, Project Veritas is often telling people, be brave, you know, let us know if these things are going on.
		But a lot of people feel like if they do, they're, they're, they're gonna be destitute.
		They're not gonna have anywhere to go.
		They're not gonna be able to work anywhere.
		So I think people need to understand there's, there's other places to be where you can work or there's, at least you guys are encouraging them to get away from that and build something new and unique.
		So we will talk about that.
		That's going to be interesting.
		We also have Original Ian.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What up, everybody?
		Yeah, it's great that we're talking about Bill Gates because a lot about this, you know, we talked about the locking down of the tech industry in the early 80s.
		He's kind of notorious for taking, I think it was Unix code and correct me if I'm wrong.
		Maybe you guys could tell the story better than I could.
unidentified		He bought MS-DOS from another company and basically worked with IBM to kind of dominate.
		With Intel.
		It was called Wintel in those days.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And he took free software and then made it private?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or took open source code and then privatized it?
unidentified		I don't know if it was open source, but it was, you know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it was open source.
		I think it was proprietary.
		He bought it and then, you know, distributed it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I remember Richard Stallman, you know, just all about the open source community, free software.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's the guy that wrote AGPL 3 and stuff.
unidentified		I mean, the worst thing that Bill Gates did is he I'm also here pushing buttons in the corner.
unidentified		from ever getting a decent market share.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We should save this.
		Yeah, this is hot.
		We can concentrate all of the rats and Bill Gates in one nice position.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		All right.
		I'm also here pushing buttons in the corner.
		I'm sure I will be overwhelmed by all the tech terms in this show, so please pray for
		my button pushing skills.
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		Billionaires at war.
		Elon Musk deepens feud with Bill Gates by touting article claiming the Microsoft mogul poured millions into dark money fund targeting him.
		That is dastardly!
		But before we show anything, I want to show you this.
		Elon Musk posting the pregnant man emoji next to a photo of Bill Gates.
		So here's the funny thing.
		He posted this April 22nd and it shows, you know, Bill Gates.
		It's the haircuts the same.
		You know, there's no wearing glasses, but he's got a big belly and a blue shirt.
		And you just need to understand that Elon posted this.
		Bill Gates had already been funding these groups.
		Now, here's the crazy thing.
		Apparently, Bill Gates reached out to Elon Musk about donating or some kind of philanthropy, but was running a 500, I think it was 500 million, right?
		$500 million short against Tesla.
		And Elon's like, I'm doing the most for climate change, and you're trying to short my position?
		I don't trust you.
		So they've kind of been going at it.
		The one thing I want to reiterate for this, as we start this segment, is that Elon is a guy who said, we need more people.
		You know, you need more people to sustain this civilization and this planet, to colonize other planets and all of that stuff.
		And people should have free speech, should have, you know, the right to use these platforms and speak and all that stuff.
		Bill Gates is the opposite.
		He says, we need less people, there's too many!
		And people shouldn't have that free speech.
		That's really interesting.
		We have these two billionaire factions going at each other.
		So, in this story, the report came out that Bill Gates poured millions of dollars into dark money fund attacking Elon Musk.
		He responded with, sigh.
		That's it.
		But it does say a lot.
		As soon as Elon acknowledged Breitbart, what ends up happening is Breitbart begins trending on Twitter.
		Every, every blue check journalist starts claiming, oh, Breitbart is fake news.
		You don't trust it.
		And now they're trying to claim, you know, once again, like, oh, Elon Musk, he's far right or whatever.
		I think this just goes to show that there are efforts to silence us from very powerful interests, whether you like Breitbart or not.
		Bill Gates absolutely is funding NGOs.
		Many of these big corporations we see, we just saw State Farm, I think.
		What's State Farm?
		They had this thing where they were sending LGBTQ stuff for kids.
		All of this stuff is happening behind the scenes.
		All of these groups are opposed to free speech.
		So what happens next?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What do you guys think?
		I think that we double down on the U.S.
		Constitution, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.
unidentified		Yeah.
		I mean, to me, Bill Gates embodies kind of the tech elitism that I fled when I left Silicon Valley.
		It very much is this very pompous attitude that, you know, If we allow these people to think for themselves, they're going to give us bad results.
		And it is just like, they're so stupid.
		We have to take care of them.
		It's very much like they're our pets, almost.
		I don't feel like Bill Gates is evil, but he doesn't trust the everyday person to kind of make their own decisions, read information, read Alex Jones, or watch Alex Jones, right?
		Watch all these things and come to their own conclusions.
		Whereas Elon Musk does seem to be, to some degree, fighting for the more common man, fighting for free speech.
		He's not saying only elites should have children.
		He's saying we should all have more children, things like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, he actually had a tweet earlier, he said, I think this was today, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He said most rich people he knows, most people he knows have like one or two kids.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or, no, it's like one or none, right?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then he's got eight.
unidentified		True.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He has eight kids.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of kids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Octodad.
unidentified		Octodad.
unidentified		Indeed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's a lot of kids.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, that is rampant in Silicon Valley, this belief.
unidentified		And I think it was big in the 70s, too, just like, There's too many kids, like, a lot of them think that there should be licenses to have kids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't even have kids!
unidentified		Yeah, they don't have kids themselves.
unidentified		You're right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I gotta say, haven't you ever encountered someone that was just so stupid?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You were like, you know what, Bill Gates is right.
unidentified		Yeah, absolutely.
		But it's, you know, you've got to believe in freedom.
		I mean, for me, I believe in freedom first.
		Maybe you see that person and think that, but then who's going to work at the licensing office, right?
		Maybe that guy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When I think about how they founded the U.S.
		government, it was kind of like an elitist.
		They had an elite.
		They were like, we can't trust the common man to govern themselves, so we're going to create a Congress to do it for them just in case.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, that is the common man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a representative of the common man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do you think they're the most intelligent among them?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, what were they going to do?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They weren't going to do a direct democracy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because that doesn't work.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Mobs are dangerous.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But before the United States, it was a king who ruled by decree.
		And it was just like, do as you're told.
		Pay your taxes.
		And they were like, we just want representation.
		They're like, no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think with social media, when you get like what they call fake news or like misinformation, disinformation, it's the mob mentality that's dangerous.
		If a piece of bad information goes out and then everyone shares it, or if 50 million people share it, it's kind of like democracy in action.
		And I get, I see the danger in it.
unidentified		Yeah, no, bad things can happen.
		I mean, there was a problem where some Indian village or we've been told there was an Indian village that started like murdering tourists because there was some like superstition about tourists that spread on WhatsApp.
		Like, but at the end of the day, Yeah, it's a double-edged sword.
		I'm going to be on the side of freedom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have this utopian view of everything, saying like, there's a problem happening, we can solve it.
		You can't solve it.
		You can't.
		And we're witnessing this with all of the big tech stuff.
		They try banning memes.
		And then what happens?
		They end up banning random people on accident and banning a bunch of regular people.
		The famous moment was when the editor-in-chief of the Daily Caller got banned for referencing hashtag Learn to Code.
		Because they created an automated system saying, okay, anybody saying Learn to Code, you gotta ban them.
		Why?
		They're a bunch of whiny- Like, you know what it really feels like?
		They're a bunch of- They're like the class president, you know?
		They're snooty and elitist, and they're angry that everyone's laughing and having fun, and they're like, STOP!
		HAVING FUN IS NOT ALLOWED!
		And so they're just like, TELL THE ALGORITHM TO BAN ANYBODY WHO SAYS LEARN TO CODE!
		And that's a really bad idea.
		Here's a really great example.
		Remember when the CEO of Reddit went to the Donald and manually changed the comments from Donald users because he was mad at them?
		Talk about a whiny, Pathetic loser.
		Someone said mean words.
		So he went into the Reddit database and changed what they said.
unidentified		Yeah, that guy's just a loser.
unidentified		Sad.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What a loser.
		And he's got how much money?
		See, this is the problem.
		This is why I agree.
		We can't be like, we need licensing and we need to restrict free speech.
		Because then you get losers like that in charge of the system, which you have now.
		And they flex their muscles thinking, I should be in charge.
		And then they do petty garbage like that.
		How sad.
unidentified		My biggest takeaway from the Breitbart piece as well is that so many of those arguments are made in bad faith, which I think is what you're getting at.
		The same people who are now saying, we don't want this purchase, they have ties to Bill Gates or they have ties to other industry people.
		The same people who before this saga were saying, actually there is no censorship.
		everything is just moderation and all that.
		When Elon says he's maybe gonna buy this, suddenly there is censorship, and not only is it real,
		it's actually essential that it continue for our democracy to continue to function.
		And in all cases, these arguments are, they were bad faith arguments before,
		and they're being revised.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I understand local censorship.
		Like, uh, in your house, it's your rules.
		And if the kids speak up out of turn, you know, it's your house, they follow your law.
		That's your, your censoring.
		But top down censorship doesn't work.
		Doesn't seem to work.
		Not, I mean, not really, not really.
		Well, I guess you have like sedition laws and stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Parents and kids and small, you know, private homes is one thing.
		It's like, it's my house.
		If somebody comes over and they act up, I'm gonna be like, bro, you can leave.
		It's my house.
		Now, that's the argument we see from a lot of Democrats.
		Like, it's a private company.
		And I'm just like, yeah, who controls the common space?
		Where adults are all trying to discuss with each other.
		There is no super parent.
		There's no like, you know, after you're a hundred years old, you elevate to a higher authority of adult.
unidentified		No, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We're all adults.
		We all have thoughts and opinions.
		We all have rights.
		And we're going to argue those things.
		They think they shouldn't have to argue at all.
		They think they should just be able to stamp you out.
		And a good example is what's happening with this lawsuit.
		Democrats are trying to disqualify Republicans.
		Instead of saying, I'm going to stand in front of the common people and tell them my thoughts and my plans, I'm going to go to the judge and say, He shouldn't be allowed to run for office.
		Come on, Judge, ban him.
		Because they can't win.
		They don't want to actually play by the rules.
		They're whiny, pathetic losers.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What have you guys found is the most resilient, I guess, resistance towards this stuff at this point?
unidentified		In what fashion?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, like, the best tech you could build to circumvent censorship or, like, censorship that's gone too far.
unidentified		Well, are you talking about like what are the biggest hurdles that we have to overcome?
		I mean, I would say like it's gotten way worse with the app stores with with iPhone totally locking down their computer.
		It used to be that you could program whatever you wanted and your friends could install it.
		And now Apple approves what you can do.
		And they'll even like take you off of the store if your buttons and you know, if Steve Jobs's corpse doesn't like where your button is, you can get removed from the store.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		For real?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They'll remove stuff for design?
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Really?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What's an example of that?
unidentified		Well, they have very strict guidelines for their design.
		So my company that I helped start in 2014, we got removed because it wasn't quite for design.
		And it wasn't really removed.
		It was just we couldn't upgrade it.
		And it was because They weren't happy that we were allowing people... We kind of looked like we had a list of games.
		They were like, oh, well, you have a list of games in your app.
		That's kind of our job.
		We have the list of games on our thing.
		So, like, we might be competing too much with Apple.
		And then they said we couldn't upgrade until we made it feel like it was less of a list of games and more like a chat app.
		They said, it's OK if you have a chat app.
		It's not OK if you have a list of games.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Roblox is on the Apple App Store and it is, that's the exact thing, it's a list of games.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They call them experiences.
unidentified		Right, so you probably deal with this with YouTube all the time.
		Their guidelines are always shifting, right?
		So they kind of have this gray area where they can operate in and they can enforce things in an irregular fashion.
		Absolutely have like people at Facebook who, you know, Facebook gets to do what they want way more than like a smaller developer gets to do what they want.
		And like, if you're an open source developer trying to create like, you know, something federated like Matrix or something, it's even harder.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When you're looking at F-Droid, whenever I think about like open source app stores, I think of F-Droid.
		Is that good?
		Or is it dangerous?
		Or what's the deal?
unidentified		I mean, they would say it's dangerous.
		I think it's great.
		Like, I want more people using, you know, the open source, they're called the, they're basically operating systems based on the Android open source project, which, you know, people have So, yeah, you can install Graphene OS or Lineage OS and install F-Droid and kind of get whatever apps you want.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But this is, you know, for the average person, they have no idea what you just said, to be honest.
		You know, what's F-Droid?
		What is Graphene?
unidentified		And that's kind of... I agree.
		That's one of the things that we really want to focus on with FUTO, too, is educating people about their options and also making them better.
		I mean, we have to admit that The oligopoly is doing a great job at building these things.
		It's very easy.
		The product is really good.
		That's the first problem with the tech oligopoly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		The App Store, I think, is one thing that's often overlooked in the discussion about free speech, because that's probably the most important.
		We all saw Gab get pulled from the App Store and banned, and then they have to find alternative means to getting back on the App Store.
		One of the funniest things I think they did was they created a clone of the Fediverse app.
		There's no website, it's just a shell.
		Then you plug in where you want to go, and oh, it can boot up.
		You know, Gab's servers, that got banned too.
		And they were like, it's a clone.
		I think it was a clone of Mastodon or something.
		And so it was like, why was that?
		It wasn't a clone of Mastodon.
		I think it was a clone of Fediverse.
		So for those that aren't familiar with what this means, it's like a web browser.
		It's like they ban your website, so you launch your own web browser, and then they ban your web browser, and it's just that.
		That's how insane the control of these two app stores really is.
		Maybe there's something there.
		I mean, you know, Bill Gates got hit for antitrust for, what, putting Internet Explorer on all these Windows machines?
		Is that what happened?
unidentified		Yeah, that was in the late 90s when Netscape was dominating the browser market.
		If you want to talk about Bill Gates, the first thing he did before that even happened, before the internet even got big, I believe it was Dell was trying to sell PCs with Linux pre-installed instead of Windows.
		So Linux would have had a decent market share and gotten a lot more momentum than it got as a desktop operating system.
		What Bill Gates did is he basically He did some sort of deal.
		I don't know the details precisely, but it was something about like, unless you're exclusive Microsoft Windows on your PCs that you're shipping, you're going to pay a lot more per license.
		So Dell would pay like, you know, five bucks a license or something for Windows.
		And it would have been 10 bucks or something if they had kept selling Linux machines.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So Linux is awesome.
		For those that aren't familiar, it's an open source free operating system that works really, really well.
		I guess because it's Linux, most people would recognize it because it's similar to Mac OS, right?
unidentified		Yeah, Mac OS was derived from a Unix.
		It was derived more from FreeBSD, which is Unix.
		Hard to tell the difference, really.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But so, you know, for all of you out there who use Mac, you might easily understand what Linux is.
		I think a lot of big chain stores use Linux for their terminals for like self-checkout and stuff because it's free and they don't have to pay licenses.
		But it's really amazing.
		I didn't know that story that Bill Gates basically shut that down because imagine if we did not have Microsoft Windows as the dominant platform.
		Imagine if it was a free open source technology and you get some Jerk.
		Like Bill Gates who comes in and sticks his foot, you know, in the door and then stops that from happening so he can control that piece and now you have tech oligarchs.
		Like him, specifically.
		And now he's gone from just being some guy who's like, I think you should have my operating system instead to, there's too many people on this planet and we should have less people.
unidentified		Tim, you bring up antitrust enforcement because that has played sort of a role as a final check here over the decades.
		It took 10 years of practices like that before finally it was the Internet Explorer integration that finally did trigger that.
		We've seen far less.
		Antitrust has not provided an effective check in the last bit here on what I think most observers would say is at least somewhat anti-competitive practices among app stores and a hundred other things we could go into.
		I think that the fact is we need something like FUDO because antitrust is not going to handle it on its own.
		There are things that are inherent in the system as it exists now that are anti-competitive.
		I mean, down to the engineers themselves.
		The model of Silicon Valley now is to lock up talented engineers within four or five or six companies forever.
		Not based particularly on their output, but based on the fact that them being there prevents viable alternatives from coming into existence.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now, Steve Jobs, I hear he was kind of a dick as well.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was that the case?
unidentified		I mean, sure.
		Yeah.
		I mean, I would say like one quality that like, you know, all these oligarchs, the trait that they have in common is they're, they're all kind of, Steve Jobs is maybe special, but it's like, if you look at like someone like Mark Zuckerberg, they're mediocre, above average programmers, right?
		Maybe they're, you know, top 10% programmers, but what the trait they really have is they do like to control things.
		So, like, Bill Gates was having a conniption when Dell was trying to sell Linux computers.
		Mark Zuckerberg was having a conniption when he saw that, you know, tons of people were uploading photos to WhatsApp instead of Facebook.
		Like, which, you know, within a couple of years that happened.
		So, yeah.
		So, Steve Jobs is the same thing.
		Very, very, very, very controlling people.
		Like Steve Jobs is like, you must have one.
		I don't know if you remember, he insisted on one mouse button for a long time, even though there were so many people who wanted like two mouse buttons.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was the gag.
		I think it was the Onion who made it where the new Mac was just instead of a keyboard, it was a wheel.
		And if you wanted to type, you had to wheel to the letter and then press the button.
		It's just simpler that way.
		I couldn't stand Apple.
		It's the same thing.
		It's like these people want to control and extract as much as they can from everybody.
		Now look, good business, good for them, I suppose.
		But I remember my friends telling me that they were obligated by their professors to buy Mac, to use it for school or whatever.
		And I'm like, that's five times more expensive for the same processing power.
		They take, what is it, FreeBSD, you said?
		They take a Unix system, they slap their logo on it, and then charge you money for it.
unidentified		I mean, I'll give them a bit of a pass.
		They did a lot of good work.
		And honestly, in 2006, 2007, they were still a very small market share.
		They actually did beat Microsoft by making it better.
		So I'll give Steve Jobs a pass.
		If you're the small guy and you're trying to control things, that's okay.
		If you have your vision, your unified vision for a beautiful product, and you're at 10% market share, go at it.
		As soon as you get to have too much power, like 50% market share and the only other player is also 50%, that's when you've got to step it back a bit.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
		I suppose it's fair to say Steve Jobs never came out and said, there's too many people, so we've got to figure out how to reduce those numbers and population growth.
		Because that's kind of a weird thing for a computer guy to say.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, buying farms and stuff, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What the heck?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It kind of makes me think like, when you have a big network, you kind of want to see what the people want and then build the network to support that, as opposed to build a network that decides what the people are going to want.
		But there's so many people that want so many different things, it becomes challenging, if not impossible, to support all those different ideas at once.
		That might be what's stopping them from why they become so authoritarian in controlling the network.
		But I haven't been in that position yet, so I'm not sure exactly what's causing it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		To rise to the position where you are running a company like Microsoft, you have to genuinely believe you're smarter and better than everybody.
		So it's like if you take 100 people and you put them in a sieve and you shake it as hard as you can to see what falls out and what sticks, The people who hold on the tightest, you know, they're the ones who have that energy.
		So naturally, the person who rises to the top at big, massive companies like this are the people who are like, I'm smarter, I'm better, everyone's got to do what I say.
		That's why you end up with the Bill Gates.
unidentified		And the collusion works.
		I mean, the collusion works.
		You're going to win if you're colluding.
		Somebody who just wants to, you know, likes competition and wants, if they see a threat and they say, well, let's do better.
		Like, let's view this as a friendly competition.
		That person's going to lose to the colluders.
		So it's, you know, it's kind of formed naturally, this monopoly in a lot of ways.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I want to add one more thing to what I was just saying.
		I was reading about how celebrities tend to be sociopaths.
		They tend to be narcissists and egotistical, very arrogant.
		And it's actually fairly simple as to why that is.
		You have two people.
		One person is very humble.
		One person is narcissistic.
		Which one's gonna get up on stage and shout out how beautiful and amazing they are?
		It's gonna be the narcissist.
		The humble person's gonna be like, well, you know, maybe it's not for me.
		You're gonna have someone say, I'd like to audition for this role.
		And they're gonna say, we don't know if you have it.
		And they're gonna go, well, okay, you know, I'll try harder next time.
		You get the arrogant narcissistic guy and he's gonna be like, no, no, no, no, you're wrong.
		I am the best and I'm gonna prove it to you.
		And they're like, this guy's got energy.
		Those people are going to rise to the top.
		And that's one of the challenges we face, I suppose, with the free market, is that snake oil salesmen, con artists, arrogant narcissists are the ones who end up gaining tons and tons of power.
		And rarely do you find someone who doesn't have those qualities, but just does a really good job.
		Or I should say, not rarely, but less often.
unidentified		I mean, yeah, they get bored or they feel like they've accomplished something and they just want to go live their life.
unidentified		They don't really care about controlling things and they've done their thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There are a lot of people, many people I follow on Twitter, for instance, and yeah, they do really well and they're like, well, you know, I did my thing and I don't want to be the boss.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to be in charge and they dip out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's like the killer instinct probably is what they call it.
		It comes from our past hunting.
		Like if you didn't have that killer instinct and you couldn't hunt properly, then you would die.
		But the ones that could hunt and kill and then kill their opponents so that their village didn't get raided and murdered, then they survived.
		So now there's this killer instinct in business, which is like, maybe we're doing it wrong.
		That's why I'm doing free software anyway.
		I think it's wrong.
		I don't understand locking down all the money.
		It doesn't make sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I always go back to culture is the most important.
		If, as a culture, people were into open source and Linux and stuff, Bill Gates would lose all his power and he'd be like the Wicked Witch of the West Melting.
		People adopting Linux across the board would be incredible for that reason.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We got to explain it.
		You said Graphene OS.
		So you get an Android phone, you flash Graphene OS onto it, which basically means you erase the operating system and reinstall a new one, which is an open source software called Graphene OS.
unidentified		Right, right.
		It's this guy Daniel McKay is doing Graphene OS and there's a few other groups doing similar things with the Android open source project.
		So one, these things, we have to understand, we need to make these things better before we're going to get tens of millions of people using them, which is what I want there to be.
		I want there to be hundreds of millions of people using software that is not locked down by the oligopoly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How do you do it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		How do you flash a new software operating system on your phone?
unidentified		I just did it.
		It was not easy.
		I bought the phone they told me to buy.
		It turned out that it was locked down at some point in the history of the phone because it was refurbished.
		So I had to get another phone.
		You can go through the instructions at the Graphene OS site.
		It's pretty straightforward.
		Your grandmother could probably do it, or your mother-in-law could probably do it, if she has the right phone.
		It's still going to not work as well as you want, though.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's worth it.
		I love it.
		Most of the phones I've had throughout my life, except for iPhone, I can't stand iPhone, what I would always put on some either bare bones Android operating system, just gut all of the bloat and the garbage that they put into it, and then just get that base system, or using something like Graphene.
		There's been a whole bunch throughout the history of Android that are just better, simpler, cleaner, safer, etc.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What are some problems with it?
		You were saying that sometimes it doesn't work as good.
		What's a problem with it?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, that's the problem.
		I mean, do you have problems with like Uber working with your phones, Tim?
		Does Uber work well with your phone?
		I don't have Uber.
		OK.
		Yeah.
		So some of these apps that people expect to work won't work.
		Especially anything very notification heavy.
		You know, those rely on Google's services to work well.
		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So is that a monopoly, Google's notification system?
unidentified		It's not quite a monopoly, but it's one of these things that, as we like to say, the Google software is much more delightful, both for the user and the developer.
		So there's a long way to come in that.
		That's not a slight against Graphene or any of these other groups.
		They're doing fantastic work.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've been using Windows since 93 or 92, Windows 3.1, and it's because of video games.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I use Steam, and I couldn't game on Linux for like late 90s, early 2000s.
unidentified		I mean, Valve is doing a lot of great work trying to make Linux work well for games.
		And I think that, like, I'm a gamer.
		Like, I started out doing games for Yahoo.
		So I love what Valve's doing to try to make Linux better for games.
		But it just does kind of hammer home how difficult this problem is that Valve is this super, super powerful... I consider them to be, like, one of the better companies that's kind of on the more independent side of things with Steam being so popular.
		They have not been able to deliver a successful Linux product yet.
		They're trying now with the Steam Deck.
		Hopefully that works.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to jump to some current events from today and talk about the ramifications of this control and these oligarchs and where we're currently at.
		Because it's a hard segue into more political stuff, but I think all of this is tied together in the culture war.
		From TimCast.com, court rules anyone charged as an insurrectionist can be barred from political office.
		The decision comes after North Carolina voters challenged Madison Cawthorn's re-election bid.
		To put it simply, We thought that this was crushed because Democrats are basically trying to make it so that people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Madison Cawthorn cannot run for re-election.
		What ends up happening is a court says, because of this Clemency Act or whatever in 1872, you can't use this against people anymore.
		Now a federal court says, now actually you can.
		So one of the things we end up seeing from all of this manipulation and control on social media, they're trying to craft a narrative.
		They've been trying as hard as possible.
		Before free, you know, an open internet, before we all were, our culture developed on the internet, the big networks controlled everything.
		If they said it, it was true.
		And that's power.
		The media has been desperately trying to claim that all of these Republicans are insurrectionists, simply because they voted not to certify election results, because they wanted an investigation, or who knows why they did it.
		You also had, I think, half the states in a lawsuit against the other half of the states at one point, with Texas leading the charge, taking issue with how the election was handled in 2020.
		Now they're trying to argue that that, everything that happened, was an insurrection, and therefore, 147 Republicans can be barred from office.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I gotta say, just the fact that there is a vote to verify the election results means that you can vote yes or no.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They have a vote on purpose, so it doesn't matter how you vote on that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is the crazy thing that I think we see with everything.
		Why is it that They don't want free speech because they don't want a fair playing field.
		They don't want to have to deal with proving themselves right.
		Why are they going after this 14th Amendment thing?
		Because they're going to lose.
		They know they're going to lose.
		We are dealing with an establishment.
		It's the big tech companies, the media companies, the Democratic Party, many Republicans as well.
		They're part of the establishment and their goal is just to maintain control and power by any means necessary.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is this true that so it's just being charged with this?
		It's not even being convicted?
		It's just being charged can bar someone even if they're found innocent?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, being charged for insurrection is nebulous.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What does it mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The media has repeatedly said definitively that certain people have committed insurrection.
		They're just outright saying it.
		And that's why they tried arguing.
		They tried suing saying, no, Madison Cawthorn can't run because by speaking at this event, he engaged in insurrection.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Man, I'm using Brave and I'm using the Brave search, Brave browser, Brave search.
		I just typed in insurrection to get a definition.
		On the right, 2021 United States Capitol attack comes up.
		It says attack.
		Like this is mass media manipulation in my face and it's Brave.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Insurrection and they just assume that I'm... Well, I mean, I suppose you can say some people, a lot of people there did attack, you know?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
unidentified		I mean, it's propaganda, right?
unidentified		You say attack on one side and you say protest on the other side.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep, and whoever controls the narrative is going to control the outcome.
unidentified		And taken to its logical conclusion, you wind up with one of the sovereign constitutional branches of government, democratic branches of government, having its sovereignty replaced with that of another, whatever you want to call this other media branch, or whoever's going to decide what is an insurrection in the public eye.
		They are able to decide when what we would take is the unlimited sovereignty of Congress
		to vote how it will be to impose its will on the other two branches as laid out in the
		Constitution comes to an end.
		And that's scary.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why our ability to speak freely in the public is so important.
		For the longest time, you spoke in the public.
		I mean, actually, for the longest time, people would go to churches, and they would talk to each other.
		You also had physical events.
		But you did have media controlling a large share of what people thought was true, and they just blindly believed it.
		Now with the internet, they're trying to lock down.
		I think they were surprised by 2016.
		They didn't realize how powerful the internet was going to be, that people basically memed Trump into the presidency.
		They have to stop it.
		So they go after Alex Jones.
		They go after, you know, Milo.
		They go after Laura Loomer, all of these people who are on the right, who are loud and generating tons of attention.
		All of a sudden we see one day Alex Jones gets purged from basically every single, from, from app stores, from podcasts, from every social platform.
		There's no way that wasn't coordinated.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can see the coordination too when one network will ban it and then within like a week another network bans it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You could just be say that like maybe Facebook watched Twitter ban them and was like we're gonna follow suit but I got a feeling I mean you were in Silicon Valley you'd know better than anyone.
unidentified		I actually think it was more they're just kind of like this group think and like with Alex Jones is probably the best example of this where like within a day like he was removed from three or four platforms.
		I feel like there was just so many people whining to get rid of Alex Jones at those companies.
		As soon as one of them actually dove into the pool, they all just kind of followed automatically afterwards.
		I guess maybe I'm a bit of a skeptic on that they had a boardroom meeting where they all decided, now is when we ban Alex Jones.
		It's just board group things.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like if they had a meeting at Davos, Switzerland or something to decide all that stuff, that'd be crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's the middle ground.
		I don't think that they all had, you know, they pressed a button to go to the sub-basement where all of the big tech buildings meet and they sit in the council chamber with torches or anything like that.
		I think they went out to lunch and they were like, what are you guys doing over at Twitter about this Alex Jones thing?
		And they're like, well, we don't know.
		What are you guys over at Facebook doing?
		What were we thinking about banning him?
		And then, you know, a handful of guys who were from different departments were talking.
		They went back and said, this is what they're going to do.
		And so then when one person did it, okay, and then everyone does it.
		Cause they walk in lockstep with each other.
unidentified		Yeah.
		They're probably, probably like one of them, one of them texts their friend over in the same department at a other company and says, we finally got rid of Alex Jones.
		And then they text their friends at the, you know, New York times and Washington post as well.
		And they said, this is what we're going to do.
		And then those people get in touch with the PR department of the tech company that hasn't done taking the same action.
		It says, did you know that these other platforms are going to ban them?
		What are you doing?
		Are you going to allow this to continue on yours exclusively?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yup.
unidentified		And the nail that sticks out gets hammered, and they know that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If there's one profession that I would say I despise more than anything, it's probably journalists.
		Because the actual real profession is honorable, noble, and important.
		That's not what we have today, in any sense of the imagination.
		I mean, you've got a handful of people over at Breitbart, Alan Bakari, for instance, a friend of ours who's done great reporting on the tech censorship stuff.
		You've got good journalists who really do work at a lot of mainstream corporate press.
		That's a fact.
		Like local outlets especially.
		They do their job.
		A lot of reporting is like, you know, the local fire department is being shut down for renovations and they're telling their local community.
		All that's fantastic.
		But we have at the highest level exactly what you just described where a journalist We'll reach out and say, Hi, I'm calling from the New York Times and I'm just wondering why you support white supremacy by allowing Alex Jones on your platform.
		We're going to write that you are Klansman, by the way.
		And then the company freaks out and they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
		We'll ban him.
		We'll ban him.
		Please leave us alone.
		Please don't wield the power of your, you know, millions of views or whatever against us.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if it's more, uh, more coordinated because I'm looking at who owns Meta, which is Facebook's parent company.
		Well, Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street.
		Those are the three of the top four.
		There's also Fidelity Management.
		Who owns Alphabet, the parent company of Google?
		Vanguard, BlackRock, State Street.
		Yeah.
		So is it the corporate CEOs of these companies?
		Are there even CEOs?
		Because these companies own each other when you start to look into it.
		You're like, who runs what?
		Like, is it just 20 dudes sitting in their mountain base?
		Like, okay, now we're making... Like, do they decide Facebook's going to ban Alex Jones or was that Mark?
		Who makes that decision?
		These guys own 20% of the company.
		These three corporations own almost 20% of these companies, both of them.
		And it's just a question that maybe can't be answered because they've obfuscated it on purpose.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know the answer to that.
		It's potential.
		There's a lot more collusion coming from the top up.
		You know, I would say this, you know, the CEOs of these companies do have to be good to be successful.
		So they have a fair amount of independence.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Good.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's an interesting word.
unidentified		Well, effective.
		They have to be good managers.
		They have to be able to juggle a lot of balls.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, if you look at what Bill Gates is funding, there's coordination.
		Not in the sense maybe where these companies, like I said, you know, go to the sub-basement, have a cabal meeting or anything like that.
		But it's not as complicated as people might think it is when they say, oh, you're believing conspiracies.
		Oh, that's nonsense.
unidentified		No, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, a rich dude hires people who does the things that he likes.
		So, I mean, look, Fudo wants to hire programmers to, you know, get him out of Silicon Valley.
		Bill Gates wants to hire people and give access to resources who don't believe in free speech and want to reduce the population.
		So, reduce population growth, to be more specific.
		So, he is going to hire people who are powerfully advocating for these things and empower what he wants, and he's got the resources to do it.
		So then, he gives money to a bunch of different groups, all of those groups agree, all of those groups join forces, and now you've got this coordinated massive wave of companies.
		Many of them focusing in different areas, but now they're coalescing around one thing, Elon Musk bad.
		There's a coordination, be it on accident or otherwise.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you guys seem to have figured out that bitching about it isn't the answer.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You gotta create a parallel system with VUDO.
unidentified		Um, yeah, basically, I mean, I wouldn't say a parallel system.
		Certainly I would like for FUTO to be a, uh, one of the things about Google that is really nice is just, you have so many smart engineers around you who kind of know how various things work.
		We would love for FUTO to develop into that kind of organization where you, you can actually quit Google and not just be isolated by yourself, um, without, um, without kind of any of that knowledge to feed off of in your work.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Tell me an example of like if a developer came to Fudo and they started getting involved, what would it be like for them?
unidentified		Um, well, ideally they would like say you needed to know how to, uh, do some GPU programming.
		That's very, very obscure.
		And right now only a few people who work on like low level Android code or who work at, you know, Qualcomm.
		No, like there would actually be somebody at Futo that like we would, we would have that they could talk to and like get that information about how to program their computer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You guys should talk to James O'Keefe.
unidentified		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then when all the whistleblowers come to him, you can just be like, right this way, gentlemen, here's some jobs.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Would they like re relocate to Texas or would they be able to work remote?
unidentified		Both, both, whatever they, yeah, it can be virtual and in person where our headquarters are in Texas.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Are you hiring?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because I know you had mentioned before the show, it's kind of like a Y Combinator style, like, like, what are those called?
unidentified		incubator incubators we got we have a couple of different initiatives on first we are trying to hire full-time engineers we have we are first and foremost an engineering firm we have a couple of projects underway in-house and we'd like to have more that's sort of we're doing for regular hiring like that we're also doing a Y Combinator style if you will grant program this summer in Austin Texas it's residential we're gonna have a cool house to stay in, incubator space, lots of support.
		We're going to select three teams of up to five engineers, $20,000 for each team member,
		no strings attached.
		We don't want equity.
		We just want people working on cool stuff that creates viable tech alternatives.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I want to pull this other story from Elon Musk about his plans for a legal effort, but
		we've got to talk about solutions to what's happening with politics, culture, and all
		Hearing you guys mention that you're giving grants to people, like just no strings attached, no equity, just do the work basically, is that what you're saying?
unidentified		Yeah, if you're working on something cool, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One of the big challenges when we look at Project Veritas, James O'Keefe comes out, he says, be brave.
		We've got, obviously at these companies, there's censorship.
		Obviously they're not being honest.
		We just had this expose where there's this engineer at Twitter talking to his date saying, oh yeah, they're censoring the right all the time.
		Why are these people not coming out and being like, yo, they're lying when they go to Congress and say these things.
		They're lying under oath.
		I think one of the reasons is they're scared.
		Many people say, they say it all the time, I got kids, man.
		I can't, I can't just up and dip.
		So I often talk about infrastructure being a key element to, you know, getting away from Silicon Valley.
		So Rumble, for instance, I'm a fan.
		We use their video player for the website members only section, and we use their cloud services for our website, and we're integrating more non-Silicon Valley infrastructure into the website.
		We have more plans.
		We'll announce those as soon as we have them ready.
		To create competition, to push back, that's another big move.
		If people are going to be able to blow the whistle and come out and just give, maybe it's not James O'Keefe, maybe it's any news organization, and be like, here's documents proving it, there has to be a place for them to exist.
		There has to be something telling them, you can find work, you can be supported, you will not be thrown to the wolves just by coming out, you're not sacrificing yourself.
		Doing the right thing actually could benefit you.
		It actually can be really great for your career.
		All of a sudden, you'll be getting a better job.
		But I want to pull up this tweet thread from Elon Musk from the 20th.
		Check this out.
		He says, Tesla is building a hardcore litigation department where we directly initiate and execute lawsuits.
		The team will report directly to me.
		Please send three to five bullet points describing evidence of exceptional ability.
		Justice at Tesla.com, he says.
		My commitment We will never seek victory in a just case against us, even if we probably win.
		Even if we will probably win.
		We will never surrender, settle, an unjust case against us, even if we will probably lose.
		Please include links to cases you have tried.
		He says, looking for hardcore street fighters, not white shoe lawyers like Perkins or Cooley, who thrive on corruption.
		There will be blood.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like he was watching the show last night.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we do need more lawyers than that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is from four days ago.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, nice.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is from four days ago, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is the sentiment, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We need lawyers that are willing to lose, that are willing to take a chance.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is what, one of the things that frustrates me in all of the conversations are people saying, there's, oh don't, I've, every single time I've been defamed, every time there's been some question of Section 230, every lawyer I've spoken with has been like, there's no point in trying.
		Don't do it.
		Elon Musk certainly has the funds to be like, don't know, don't care, here's the money, have fun.
		That's what we need.
		We need real solutions to all of these issues that are happening.
		So I'm curious what you guys think about the legal side of things in terms of suing or going after.
		You know, we had talked privately about Section 230.
unidentified		I mean, I'll defer to Ian here, who's a lawyer by training.
		I'm a lawyer by training.
		I no longer practice.
		I won't give direct legal takes.
		But I mean, obviously, litigation is a huge part of this.
		You know, we just had the Fifth Circuit rule in a preliminary motion in the lawsuit to enjoin the social media law they passed. That could have a huge impact.
		There's a similar case on with a similar but not quite as powerful law in Florida that's on. I mean, these things are
		important in themselves, but they're also the culmination of at this point really five or six years of litigation
		around this very issue, around 230, around free speech, around the power of social media networks and so on. And he's
		absolutely right.
		The entire industry is coalesced around this.
		You have these industry associations that are spending a large amount of money on lawyers to fight, because they do know how impactful it could be.
		And at Fluto, we're not directly involved in any litigation.
		We kind of are focused on the technology side, but we know that it is a multi-pronged fight, and those lawsuits are very important.
		How do you feel about copyright law from the past being used Well, okay, I'm going to defer to Aaron on intellectual property law in particular, but I'll just say that that's been an issue for 25 years.
		The very first political issue I ever remember being engaged in when I was, what, nine years old or something was the DMCA had just passed.
		And if you remember, DCSS was a very simple piece of software that allowed you to decode a DVD on a device without having to pay the license fee for a DVD player.
		And this was one of the first things that they went after as a copyright-breaking tool under the DMCA, which allowed you to shut it down.
		And that, I mean, right there is a huge, that is a use of a copyright enforcement mechanism to limit the freedom and, you know, not necessarily just to protect a copyright holder but to go after the entire universe of freely flowing tech and information and so on.
		And I think that's a principle that extends more broadly.
		The same technology that's used to enforce copyright or intellectual property can and often is used to enforce restrictions on free
		speech, on the flow of information, and on the use of technology in general.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's one of the big challenges with the copyright stuff that has happened with social medias.
		I had a tweet that was absolutely fair.
		You just get taken down under copyright and what do you do?
		The challenge is that I kind of feel like no matter what you do, the person with the most power wins.
		If you've got the money, you're gonna win.
		That's just about it.
		I mean, maybe you might get lucky and get a good judge and fight your way through.
		But you know even in the instance of James O'Keefe fighting defamation cases He needs to raise like a million two million dollars to even try to go after these these big companies And then you just have the courts are always you know often Siding with the people who are defaming or the big tech or the establishment or something like that this is one of the biggest challenges that it feels like even it feels like a fighting an uphill battle because I I've talked about Wikipedia quite a bit.
		How fractured the system is, how it makes literally no sense, but they have so much money.
		How do you compete with that as an individual?
		It just doesn't seem to make sense.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You need capital, that's for sure, because it's like a war of attrition in court.
		It's how long can I pay all these lawyers to stay in this courthouse and keep talking?
		No one really cares if they win or lose, they're all getting paid, as long as you've got the money to pay them.
		So you either need people to work for free, which is a form of capital, or money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Social currency, getting a lot of people who believe in you just to focus fire their efforts and their labor towards something more powerful, I guess.
		I want to mention an idea to you.
		Ian, you're a lawyer by training.
		I want to ask you your thoughts on this.
		What if we made a website where as soon as you load it, you are placed in a queue where you can write one word and 5,000 people all write one word?
		Who's sued for defamation when you write a story claiming that Nancy Pelosi eats dogs?
unidentified		It's a tough one.
unidentified		I see what you're getting at here, that what you're running there is an interactive computer service which is protected from defamation under CDA Section 230.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And each individual made no statement.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Writing the word dog, I didn't say anything.
		All I wrote was dog.
		You can't sue me, can you?
unidentified		It's a very interesting one.
unidentified		That could be a good law school hypothetical.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We need some coders.
		If you're a developer, we're going to create this interactive website where it starts with a Q. I mentioned this the other day.
		And then everyone from your position, if you're the first person and you're number one, you get the first word.
unidentified		We'll just let everybody like fork it whenever they want and you'll be guaranteed to get whatever you want and then as an editor you could pick the one that you want to show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And then we'll feature whichever one that comes up.
		So you might have an article that says like, Nancy Pelosi run, jump, car, drive fast.
		And you're just like, that's nonsense.
		And then you'll finally get one that says Nancy Pelosi ate a dog.
		Because people just did... Oh, like Mad Libs.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kind of.
		Kind of Mad Libs.
		Every single word.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What if you tell them this has to be a verb?
		Then are you all of a sudden an editor?
		Then you'll get sued because you're telling them to write a verb or a noun?
		Because that'll help it flow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's interesting.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think we're onto something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean... What if I wrote Nancy Pelosi... What if we did an actual ad-lib?
		You know, mad-lib or whatever it's called, where it's like, Nancy Pelosi blanked a blank.
		And then some random person could put a word in.
		I didn't write the sentence, right?
		I put blanks.
		Someone else put the... Would I be able to be sued for defamation?
unidentified		I'm definitely not an expert in defamation law.
		It seems like a difficult case to me.
		It's going to hinge on a lot of things, but it's interesting.
		I mean, the problem is your website.
		It would be hard for you to get enough clout for your website for people to believe what it said.
		As opposed to Wikipedia, where it kind of has a lot of clout now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sure, sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just think we'll be allowed to post all of this stuff.
unidentified		Sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, I'll put it on Twitter to 1.3 million people and let them share it.
		And then what is anyone going to say to me?
		They're going to be like, you can't say that.
		And I'll be like, I'm just sharing a story from, you know, people you can't sue me for.
		It's not my, or I'll, I'll tweet it out and I'll put what a crazy story.
		Right.
		And then everyone will see the headline.
unidentified		And, uh, and then what, what can I do about it?
		There's a question whether it's defamation.
		If it is a website where these things truly are random people posting words, I think there's some question as to whether it is actually, even if it is something nasty that comes up eventually, as to whether it is defamation as opposed to people would not take it and if no one would take it as such.
		There's a certain point at which it's obviously satire and not meant as a statement.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What if I only allowed a handful of words like Nancy Pelosi eats and dog?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dog eats Nancy Pelosi.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You sure?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, whatever combination of the words you want.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I love you, Nancy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm just kidding.
unidentified		What if it turns out to be true?
unidentified		That's the real... That's the...
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you gotta be careful.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I'm joking.
		But I mean, I just I look at what's going on with big tech and how they're basically invincible, how they have these laws that for us we get spat on, we get pissed on, we get stepped on.
		And then Wikipedia can just do whatever the hell they want.
		That can't be.
		That just cannot be.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's when it says from Wikipedia that it starts to get real fishy for me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like, if they were clear, like, this is all community, and they linked to the screen names of the people that put the little pieces in and stuff, that's a different story.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Except, someone could write on Wikipedia, Nancy Pelosi eats chicken, another person can go in and change chicken to dog, and they've made no statement.
		You can't sue that person because they've made no statement.
		The person who said she eats chicken, maybe that's true.
		The person who changed chicken to dog did not make a statement.
		He just said the word dog.
		You can't sue someone for saying a single word.
		There's no defamation there.
		Wikipedia needs to be sued into oblivion because it is them.
		They have automated the editorial process under their own byline.
		And this argument that they're protected under Section 230 makes absolutely no sense.
		You know what?
		How do we do this?
		Do we set up a give-send-go, raise a couple million bucks, find someone withstanding and say, have fun?
		Is that allowed?
unidentified		Is that legal?
		My preference would be to solve this technically and build a better product than Wikipedia.
		I disagree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think culture is the issue.
		That regular people know Wikipedia, use Wikipedia, Google has integrated Wikipedia, and every facet, this machine is here.
		And they are clearly violating, at the very least, the spirit of the law.
		But I believe, technically, like, at a technical standpoint, they're, you know, totally open to being sued.
		Someone just needs to do it.
		Where's James O'Keefe?
		Someone call James.
unidentified		I mean, there's been lawsuits, right?
		So, I mean, they happen and Wikipedia will settle.
		Wikipedia will change it even if they feel they have to.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, they should change it.
		I mean, that's the goal, right?
		Get them to change it so they stop allowing this.
		Because right now, I do not understand how Wikipedia can publish such false statements.
		I mean, look, the Project Veritas article on Wikipedia is clearly an opinion piece.
		It's outrageous how much opinion it is.
		They're this, that, or otherwise, and conspiracies.
		It's loaded with fake news.
		It's loaded with provenly false claims.
		And it's from Wikipedia.
		James, you gotta sue.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe we shouldn't be able to have people on Wikipedia.
		You shouldn't be able to have a person's page or a corporation's page on Wikipedia.
		Because, like, in Encyclopedia Britannica, they didn't have, like, people.
		It would just be things.
unidentified		Well, I mean, you had, I think there was maybe no living people at some point.
unidentified		I'm not actually sure about that, but I think maybe at some point it was no living people, but I could be wrong.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		I just, I mean, you've had Larry Sanger on, I mean, he's working on this.
		We're actually, FUTO is the grant for his organization to try to fix this.
		I mean, I kind of agree with you.
		Wikipedia owns the culture right now and it's hard to solve.
		Still, this is a hard work and as FUTA, as a tech organization, we want to try to create technical solutions.
		I do feel like there is some ways we can chip away at Wikipedia.
		Clearly, free speech has already weakened their stature in the culture.
		There's many people who like know that Wikipedia's propaganda on any kind of contentious issue.
		What I would like to see as from the technical solution would be some sort of way for dissenting editors at Wikipedia to very, very easily fork it and have their own kind of wiki, have their own articles show up and have, you know, Building this product is one of the trickier things.
		I consider Wikipedia to be a very special case of social media.
		It's crowdsourced.
		It's a bunch of editors, like you said, making diffs to articles, right?
		But it still is very much, you know, crowdsourced from millions of people or hundreds of thousands of people.
		It all comes in.
		How can we get it so that, like, Those contributions are more ubiquitous for the world and different editor organizations can decide which editors should be banned and which shouldn't.
		And the dissenting side in any kind of these Wikipedia edit wars actually has a viable thing that people will find.
		And those are the sorts of things that Larry's working on with his organization.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You could have, like, a page with all these overlays that would pop up with different percentages of how accurate are each overlay relative to these editors.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like, if an editor has a 72% rating, then they're going to affect their overlay that they edited, and then you'd be able to sort all the overlays on, like, Dog, the Wikipedia's thing of, like, Hillary Clinton or whatever.
unidentified		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And then, so you'd see, like, 900,000 Hillary Clinton Wikipedia pages on top of each other, and then you'd sort them by the ones with the most trusted editors, and you'd sort that one to the top.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		I think the issue is the most trusted editors would be 50-50, if that, right?
		So I was talking with a group of people way back in the day about a journalist rating system or a news organization rating system.
		One of the things we want to do with our fact-checking nonprofit is create a browser extension and then actually hire fact-checkers to rate various news outlets based on violations of journalistic ethics.
		One of the ideas has always been, what if you create like a meter?
		Showing like, how much do we trust a journalist?
		Okay, well if they write for Breitbart, they're gonna get a zero, right?
		Because every mainstream, every liberal democrat person is gonna be like, liar, liar, liar, liar, liar.
		At best, you could hope for 50-50.
		But that means, you need, like, if I came out, And said, Joe Biden is corrupt, you know, has engaged in overt corruption with the Ukraine scandal, saying fire the prosecutor.
		I mean, that is a statement of fact.
		When they claimed that Donald Trump was trying to get a quid pro quo in Ukraine, Joe Biden did literally that.
		Going to the president saying fire the prosecutor or you're not getting a billion dollars in loan guarantees.
		It's exactly what they claimed it was.
		So, it's corruption.
		He's just not been held accountable for it.
		If I say that, people on the left are going to say, either knowingly, or I should say willfully, they'll call me a liar knowing it's true, because they want political power.
		So they'll say, oh that story from Tim Pool is false, minus one.
		Then you're going to get a bunch of other Democrats and Antifa types who are going to be like, that's not true, I heard on CNN, minus one.
		You're hoping, then, that if a thousand of these people downrate you, that some conservative who knows it's true is going to uprate you, or at the very least, you'll end up with conservatives saying, I believe that's true, whether it is or not.
		It's going to be the inverse version of the same thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So we need a trustless way to identify their value.
		Maybe if people don't realize they're rating the articles or the individuals that edit the articles, but they're either, maybe with crypto, I like the trustless Smart contracts.
		I'm kind of throwing out buzzwords here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I gotta be a little more pessimistic though.
		I think the issue is culture.
		It doesn't matter if you're gonna say a journalist is trusted or not.
		What matters is what the culture wants, believes, and expects.
		And right now, we have two very distinct cultures in this country that will never come together.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it's natural.
		Resistance is natural, human.
		It's part of our evolution, our nature.
		You'll always have people saying that you're wrong and always have people saying you're right, for the most part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Things are different.
		I mean, it used to be that there were Democrats and Republicans.
		They'd argue with each other, but they were all Americans.
		They'd all come out for the Fourth of July and be like, oh, you know, I don't agree with that stuff, but hey, America, right?
		Now you've got people that CNN, for instance, all these big news outlets know for a fact they're never going to sell to a Trump supporter.
		So they have absolutely zero reason to be honest about Trump and his supporters.
		If they know their bread is being buttered by a bunch of, you know, left activists, why would they ever tell the truth on Trump?
		I mean, right now, Jim Acosta, you know, he did a segment the other day where he claimed Donald Trump appears to have been calling for civil war.
		Which is just BS.
		It's not true.
		Trump retweeted, basically, a guy who said the words, Civil War.
		I don't know what that means.
		It's like, you on the news story?
		Here's the facts.
		Donald Trump reposts comment that says Civil War.
		That's it.
		Take for it what you will.
		That's the fact.
		The opinion is, was he calling for it?
		Was he predicting it?
		Was he scared?
		I have no idea.
		But Jim Acosta, CNN, all these big mainstream outlets say he's either calling for it or predicting it.
		That's not true.
		None of that is true.
		That's all opinion.
		But they know!
		There's no one, for the most part, who is buying from them for truth.
		Everybody wants their confirmation bias.
		Everyone, no matter where you come from.
		Now, I think there's a tendency, more so on the right, to associate with those who are right.
		You know, post-liberals, moderates, libertarians, conservatives, whatever the freedom space is.
		You have more people who are like, no, no, no, just tell me what's true.
		The left, for the most part, has gone full zealot, as far as I can tell.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't like the word truth anymore.
		I used to be a zealot about what was true and I'd be like, it is the one true something.
		And I was like, come on, Ian, you don't know, like get over yourself.
		And also the word trust.
		I don't think humans trust each other.
		We're wild animals.
		We've domesticated each other.
		We're kind of sit in peace together with like pretending like we know we're not going to hurt each other, but like, it doesn't mean it's never going to happen, you know?
		So we live in this idea of truth and trust, which is just like, They're extremes that don't exist, and so we should code our stuff that way, too.
unidentified		And trust can be, in a way, counterproductive.
		Let me explain that just briefly.
		I've talked to several people who grew up behind the Iron Curtain, and what they always say about that is, you know, we knew our news was fake.
		We knew the newspapers were nonsense.
		And in a way, that's sort of because there was no trust.
		They knew that, okay, you have to read between the lines, you have to really think about this.
		In this country, for better or for worse, we used to have much more trust in media in our institutions.
		I think part of that is technological.
		We had an era where the main means of media distribution were the broadcast television channels, a few major newspapers that had a legal interest in being I don't want to use the word objective that strongly, but more neutral.
		And we don't have that, and we've sort of carried over this unwarranted trust.
		And as that's broken down, I think people look at things, even Wikipedia, I think with a more skeptical eye.
		And, you know, if you can shore that up, if you can find things that people can trust, I think you do a service.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think trustless.
		They talk about like smart contracts, crypto smart contracts are trustless because you don't have to trust that giving your money to the guy, he's going to do the thing that you gave him the money to do.
		It just automatically happens.
		So you remove that level of trust.
		Um, like I get like trusting your parents.
		If you don't trust your parents, I mean, the world's going to seem like it wants to kill you every moment you're, you're living in it.
		But if you can trust your parents, it's still like, doesn't mean they're never going to turn on you, but it's just like an acceptance.
		Like when I step on, my foot's not going to go through the ground.
		I trust that I'm going to land on solid ground.
		Um, I guess it's just not an ideal.
		Like, like what do we have to trust something?
unidentified		Every individual should be allowed to decide on their own who they trust.
		Right.
		I mean, based on what parameters?
		Everybody gets to decide through their interactions with them.
		Right.
		It's not, we can't have a top-down approach to trust where we're told to trust certain people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I kind of feel like there may be an inevitability in the hyperpolarization.
		Though I think it's possible that the tech oligarchs, the censorship has exacerbated this by banning only some people.
		I kind of feel like we saw early on in the internet Tribes were forming where people like to rag on each other.
		There's a video that I talk about often called, This Video Will Make You Angry by CGP Grey, where he mentions that communities don't actually argue with each other, they argue amongst themselves about the other.
		And they get riled up and get angrier and angrier about it.
		And this tribalism eventually leads to conflict.
		So I wonder if... Do you think that's an inevitability?
		With the internet?
		I mean, the culture war itself arising out of these tribes that have formed where everyone hates each other?
unidentified		I mean, yeah, I mean, human nature, we see it with sports teams, everything, like, it's inevitable, but doesn't... How do you stop it from getting to the point where people are killing each other?
		This is a philosophical point, but I think that, yes, if you do have, I don't know if you call it a free market for, but if you do have different groups able to trust who they want and able to use an alternative technology when they want to get the information they do.
		I think that you have... I understand that that can lead to problems, but I think it leads to fewer problems than one of, like you say, this top-down enforcement of trust, where inevitably one tribe or one side or another is going to feel this intense resentment.
		I think that's when things get really dangerous, when people are confirmed in their belief that everything is against them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's talk about this.
		We got a story from The Independent.
		Put people in jail.
		Former Fox reporter calls for arrests over right wing's great replacement theory.
		Tucker Carlson responded saying this is going to get really ugly really soon.
		Slamming ex Fox News colleague who suggested he should be in jail or something worse.
		What's something worse, Carlson asked his audience after airing a clip of the remarks from the former reporter Cameron made over the weekend to CNN.
		We're not sure what something worse is, but it certainly feels like we're moving toward it at a very high speed at this point.
		Rhetoric has its own internal logic.
		We've experienced it.
		We can talk ourselves into things.
		Democrats are doing it right now.
		And what they're talking themselves into right now is, quote, something worse.
		It's scary.
		It's time to pull back.
		It's time to de-escalate.
		Otherwise, this is going to get really ugly really soon.
		So, you know, should I say the magic word, civil war?
unidentified		You can always say it if you want.
unidentified		I mean, I would hope that everybody ignores people like that on the extreme.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They don't.
unidentified		Right?
		Some people do, some people don't.
		My friends from Silicon Valley are all Democrats, but they're not going to say Tucker Carlson should be executed for talking about replacement theory.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But are they active in politics?
		Are they the public speakers?
		No, exactly. So you have on CNN, here's what happens. I don't think intent matters on either
		side as this conflict escalates. This guy goes on CNN. They probably didn't know he was going to say
		this. He says it. They probably say, OK, well, that's a little over the top, but, you know,
		we know we don't mean it, right? We don't we don't want to go that far. But then Tucker Carlson sees
		it and then he talks about it and says, look what they're doing.
		Look what they're saying.
		And then of course, people who see that are like, whoa, those people are crazy.
		So it's, it's, it's exacerbating the problem.
		It's escalating things regardless of whether they're being tongue in cheek or hyperbolic or otherwise.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Feels like the network should be responsible for these people that are talking on the network.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know it's not a social network, so they don't have, I don't know, 230 in parity, but... They don't care, though, because they know they don't make money from Trump supporters.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have no cultural tie to conservatives, Republicans, or Libertarians.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But this guy's saying something worse.
		The only thing worse than jail for a criminal is death penalty, that I'd know of.
		I mean, you either get life in prison or death penalty.
		That's the next thing that's worse.
		So what's this guy going on CNN and suggesting that someone needs the death penalty for talking on a news channel?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And now people are going to hear you saying it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		CNN needs to come out and speak against that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so whether anyone has the full intent of it or not, people will hear us talking about it, and they're going to be like, man, these CNN people have lost their minds allowing this.
		They're going to say, Ian's right, they shouldn't allow that.
		This guy's calling for the death penalty for Tucker Carlson.
		That's crazy.
		And then you'll mention, my Democrat friends don't believe that.
		But this is something at the highest level of the conversation.
unidentified		Right, right.
		I would say that, you know, it's kind of all of our collective responsibility to do what you can.
		I mean, I do what I can to keep my Democrat friends.
		A lot of them, you know, I'm an independent and I've still lost a lot of friends, you know, just by being a little bit more outspoken.
		But try to make an effort to stay friends with people.
		Most people are reasonable.
		And if you point out things like this to them, they'll probably be, yeah, that's batshit crazy.
		I thought all the batshit crazy people were on the right.
		I didn't realize there were batshit crazy people on my side, too.
		Yeah.
		Pardon the French.
		I'll do a little bit.
		I'll try and do a little bit of that conciliation and say like, look, what he said is totally legal.
		I mean, what he's suggesting is ridiculous and unconstitutional and a million other things.
		But, you know, him saying that that should be the penalty for saying things he doesn't believe or should be said on public air.
		I mean, I guess he can say that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How does he get to that point?
		How does this guy get to the point where we'd actually say something worse than jailing for talking about an idea pushed by... Maybe he meant he should lose his job, I don't know.
		He said go to jail or something worse.
		Like a jail for a week or lose your job, I don't know.
		I wouldn't apologize for it.
		Well, I'm not.
		What I would say is, these people, I'm sorry.
		I don't know how we solve this because I think they're nuts, and I'll tell you why.
		It has been many prominent Democrats who have argued for demographic change in efforts to maintain power.
		When Tucker Carlson points that out, they accuse him of pushing a conspiracy theory.
		And I'll say it again.
		Many Democrats have said immigration is a path towards maintaining political power.
		Tucker Carlson says, look what they're saying.
		He shows them saying it, and they say, he has said something so dangerous, he should be jailed or something worse.
		How do they get to that point?
		Look, I know Donald Trump said, lock her up to Hillary Clinton.
		Right?
		Maybe that's it.
		Maybe it's inevitable.
		Hillary Clinton actually did bad things.
		Joe Biden did bad things.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but political persecution is not the answer, that's for sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But what do you do then?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you say, Hillary Clinton destroyed 30,000 emails, but we're not going to go after her because it would escalate tensions?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He should say she should be charged, not locked up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's the judge to decide, or the jury.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then everyone says, criminally charge my opponent, you criminally charge yours, everyone says they're right.
		You know, you mentioned it on the show before, the left says the exact same thing about us that we say about them.
		And then I pointed out, yeah, but we're right.
		Like, when I say Joe Biden went to the president of Ukraine and said, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the billion dollar loan guarantees.
		That's on video.
		He actually did that.
		A prosecutor who was investigating Burisma, where his son was on the board.
		All of that happened.
		Well, that should be investigated.
		But then they push things like the Ahmaud Arbery lie, the guy who filmed it goes to prison, you know, Trayvon Martin, George Floyd.
		I mean, all of these things that were embellished, hands up, don't shoot, outright not true, Jussie Smollett.
		They all believed it.
		They keep pushing all these things that are just outright falsehoods.
		But you have, it's almost like, man, an equal and opposite reaction.
		As more people get access to the truth through social media, more people join the zealous cult as an equal and opposite reaction.
		Is that really it?
		Is that law of thermodynamics just a reality for every element of existence?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We have free will.
		It exists within our energy, but we have free will.
		I think that people are doing too much these days, too fast with politics.
		You don't need to make a change.
		Today we're like, what's going on with the news?
		Not a lot of news today.
		Good.
		Let's live in peace.
		That's the idea.
		And these people, it's like they've got to legislate and create new law, new law, new law, and sign this and that.
		Like, dude, what?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it's like that episode of Star Trek.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where?
unidentified		Belot?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Which one is that?
unidentified		Is that half white, half black?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
		Where they have this energy pulse slamming into the Enterprise, and so they're like, raise the shields!
		And then they're like, the energy pulse is getting stronger!
		And they keep doing it, and then finally, I think it's, was it data?
		Or somebody says, lower the shields.
		And they're like, are you sure?
		Do it.
		And they do, and then the energy wave dissipates.
		And it was that the more they increased their shields, the more the energy reflected back stronger.
		Like a Chinese finger trap.
		You've got to stop pulling as hard as you can and just push in.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Then you can get your fingers out.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Become friends with your enemy and all of a sudden there's no conflict.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I wonder if we're already at the point where the finger trap has been ripped to shreds and there's no, you know, coming back.
unidentified		I mean, one of the things I, you know, when people were really fighting in 2020, I was like, well, let's do Tulsi Gabbard.
unidentified		Like, she would be like the compromise candidate for both parties and both sides.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And what happened with the left?
unidentified		Yeah.
		When I suggested this, some of my friends on Facebook went apeshit saying she was just an evil Republican.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is why I say, like, you know, when you say the left has the same thing about us, I'm like, yes, but we're right.
		It's very simple.
		Because I'm not a traditional conservative.
		I've never been a conservative.
		And I supported Yang and Tulsi in 2020, trying to find that compromise that the establishment left and the leftists were unwilling to have.
unidentified		So some of my friends were receptive to it, too, though.
unidentified		So, I mean...
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, keep trying.
		For sure, for sure.
		I think a lot of people who watch this show even were probably like, oh yeah, I used to vote Democrat.
		Then we started paying attention and now we're just like, I'm not interested.
		I'm not saying Republicans are going to solve your problems.
		I don't think they are.
		I think they're going to do a lot of nothing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I like your metaphor about the shields creating more than the finger trap.
		Because it's like, if you're angry about what you're communicating because you've been upset by what they did, then people can tell and they don't want to listen.
		But if you don't have that resistance, And you're just stating it.
		Yeah, Biden, you know, he bribed those guys to fire that prosecutor so that Burisma didn't get investigated.
		That's pretty much, that's a fact I saw on TV.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I should say... I'm not mad about it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It happened.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Why did Biden do it?
		Well, we can say it's corruption either way because Telling a foreign country that you will withhold aid to them unless they fire someone, that's a corrupt act.
		He doesn't have the authority to do that.
		And they even told him that and he bragged about it and said, call the president, see what he says.
		Like, wow, he's bragging about superseding the will of the people.
		That's crazy.
		Now, did he do it to protect his son?
		That's a question that needs to be answered through an investigation.
		What do we know?
		The prosecutor was investigating Burisma.
		His son was on the board.
		Joe Biden did intervene.
		You want to talk about motives or incentives?
		I don't care.
		He did it.
		So now you investigate, look into emails, determine whether or not he did it to protect his son or not.
		But either way, he bragged about doing it.
		Now when we say that, who's telling the truth?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I mean, That's a conversation I had with my dad a couple, few days ago about the facts, because he was like, when he watches this show from time to time, he's like, oh, you guys are saying wrong.
		The wrong information is what you're saying is wrong.
		And I'm like, well, what's right?
		What's true?
		There's so much information being shoved into.
		And he was actually like, but I mean, what's true?
		How do you know what's true?
		You get 80 million different pieces of information from 80 million different sources.
		And they're all, they're all.
		Like, they might be right, they might be wrong, so it's like... We get things wrong.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course.
		The things we get wrong aren't like core details on major political events.
		The things we get wrong are like, I'll say a caliber of a gun and then someone will chat and be like, Tim, you're wrong about that, it's actually this, and I'll go, oh, that was a mistake.
unidentified		Yeah, but to them, you're in the same category as QAnon people who believe all sorts of crazy stuff, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And we're not.
unidentified		Right, but that's not how they see it.
unidentified		But they are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Blue Anon people and QAnon people, they would get along seemingly in their weird beliefs and things that aren't true.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you tend to see in others what's in you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But look, QAnon is fringe.
		Mainstream conservatives and libertarians aren't entertaining QAnon people.
		Yeah, I mean, I agree.
unidentified		Like, you know, I would say that in Silicon Valley, the Republicans justifiably lost like any support for the future with like Cheney and Bush.
		And I would say the same thing today, that, like, the Democrats have equally deserved, like, no support in the future from any of these— if anybody who's principled, I would say quit.
		What concerns me about that— Quit your party if you're a Democrat, for sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But if you go to your average Republican and ask them about some crazy conspiracy, they might give you a half-baked answer where it's like, well, I don't know, but, you know, these things I think are weird, and I read this somewhere.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		If you go to your mainstream Democrat and ask them about, like, Russia and stuff, they're probably gonna be like, yeah, I think he did it.
unidentified		Sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, even though Mueller proved it wasn't true, even though now with the Sussman trial, we're learning about Hillary Clinton's role in signing off on these things, they're gonna be like, I don't know about that.
unidentified		I mean, first of all, I'm steel manning my friends here, just so you know, but, you know, they would say, well, yeah, we know that there was all this stuff that's like shady about the report that came out of England or whatever, but we still know that there's like, collusion happening between Trump and Russia.
		Like we know that he has hotel deals he wants in Moscow.
		And they'll say stuff like that.
		And to some degree, you can't be as successful as Donald Trump was without having to bend the law
		a little bit in places.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
		You know, and so we talk about Trump and the things we actually don't like about his presidency relatively often, drone strikes and, you know, why that happened, things like that.
		Donald Trump, whether it was him or someone else, Trump hotels were being advertised on a State Department website.
		Like, these are bad things.
		Trump tried to have, I think, the G7 at Trump Doral in Florida.
		Like, really bad thing.
		You shouldn't do it.
		And Trump was like, but I'm gonna do it at cost.
		And I said, so what?
		You're still maintaining your business through a government contract.
		I think that's wrong.
		I got no problem saying that.
		But then you hear from a lot of these people, they won't even bother watching a show like this.
		I mean, let alone Google searching half the news that comes out.
		That to me, I'm sorry if I'm a little pessimistic in that regard, but I think, you know, we talk about technology and all these things, and I don't think that's the issue.
		I do think.
		We need technology to be developed because there may come a time when we get cut off completely from Silicon Valley.
		If a civil war really is coming, or we're in one, fourth, fifth generational warfare, whatever it may be, what do you think is going to happen to the anti-establishment when states start breaking apart?
		San Francisco is going to be like, eliminate all the IPs from states that we don't like.
		And then how will you communicate?
		What will you be using?
		There's going to need to be something.
		So that, in that sense, technology.
		That's why, you know, I like Rumble Cloud Service because I'm like, they might censor me, so.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What you said earlier, Aaron, was interesting that Silicon Valley people there got disenfranchised with the Republicans, with Bush and Cheney, and then now they're being disenfranchised with this ridiculousness on the Democrats' side.
unidentified		I hope so.
		I mean, that would be my hope.
		I'm not there anymore.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But the problem with that is that who do they care about now?
		Well, they care about the corporation.
		So who's the new authority?
		The corporation?
		I mean, if Google thinks it's running the show now because the politicians are incompetent, that's kind of like maybe even worse.
		I don't know.
		What's worse, an incompetent president or a corporation that thinks it's in charge?
unidentified		I don't know.
		That's a good question.
		I would hope that they're still anti-corporation, too.
		I mean, the left was supposed to always be anti-corporation from my entire life.
		Another pro-corporate.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I can't even stop at Google.
		It's Alphabet, which is owned by BlackRock.
		I mean, it's in part owned by BlackRock State Street Vanguard.
unidentified		Yeah, and that is that is purely a result of the propaganda to, like, try to scare people about, like, you know, the corporations are only hope against these evil racists in Kentucky or whatever, who, you know, are going to, you know, would be throwing gay people off of buildings if they had their way.
unidentified		So.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, now there's like a big scandal in the UK because they were flying the Union Jack over some street and all these leftists are like, this is what the Nazis did.
		And it's like, yo, it's your country's flag.
		Like just because the Nazis drank water doesn't mean you shouldn't drink water, you know?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm thinking about Posobiec.
		I don't know if you guys heard Jack Posobiec.
		He went to Davos a couple days ago and was detained by Klaus Schwab's personal guard.
		I don't know if they were private police.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were police.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Were they private police?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Swiss police?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It looks like they were just cops.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I was told they were private.
		I could be wrong.
		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were wearing police on their uniforms.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So maybe it was police.
		Maybe it was corporate security.
		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were wearing police on their uniforms.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So maybe it was Swiss police.
		Let's just stop there that I don't know for sure if it was if it was a private guard.
		But, you know, you see these corporate private guard and they don't care about the law.
		They care about serving the corporation where they get paid.
		That's that's where I think that's the fear.
		I'm not so worried about the politics.
		I'm worried about these corporations that are sneaking and trying to buy up land.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bill Gates was the single largest owner of farmland.
		That doesn't mean he owns all of the farmland.
		It means for a single entity, he owns more than anybody else.
		That's a lot.
		It's weird.
		I don't trust the guy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I don't want to pile on the guy, but man, he is, he is a weird... And where's Luke at?
		He's coming.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We need him to pile on Bill Gates.
unidentified		I hear you, Luke.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is Luke in the chat?
unidentified		I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
unidentified		Hi, Luke, if you're watching.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Luke Rutkowski, ladies and gentlemen.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We are Change.
unidentified		Big fan.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, it's funny how you have this belief, or I don't know how you describe it, but You have multinational corporations, politicians, they meet together in big international conferences.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The New York Times are invited guests at the World Economic Forum, along with world leaders and people like Bill Gates, where they're talking about really horrifying things like, what do they say, implantable biotracking or whatever, for your lives, tracking your carbon footprint.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, for better compliance.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They talk about like mandating health requirements stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's so crazy because it's not American.
		For a while it was like, I just disbelieve it.
		I couldn't even begin to believe that people thought that way because I'm like, no, I was born in America.
		First Amendment is paramount.
		You don't do that to people.
		That doesn't happen.
		But now I'm realizing they're not from America.
		They're not from the United States.
		They don't think like that.
		This is like authoritarian, weird, European, pseudo-communist, fascist, Nazi stuff.
unidentified		I hate the term free speech absolutism because it kind of begs the question, but the American First Amendment conception of free speech is not unique in the world, but it's very rare.
		And I think one of my worries is that I think it should be becoming increasingly rare just in a gut conception of what free speech is in the younger generation.
		In millennials now, Gen Z is even more so.
		And to address what you're saying, is the government the worst, is the corporations the worst?
		I would split the difference and say the worst possible state of affairs is one where both the government and corporations are competing to please each other.
		That you have in place a corporate apparatus that can do things that a state would like it to do without repercussions.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So people are saying that the police actually were wearing badges that said World Economic Forum Police on their arms.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So that's actually what Jack, he stated they were World Economic Forum Police.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So it's a private company and they have the word police on it, which is interesting because I used to think of police as a public service, but not in Switzerland apparently.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's not surprising in Switzerland.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No, it's not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's terrifying.
		I've been to Davos, man.
		There was a big blizzard.
		It was crazy.
		Everybody who was there was, like, betting on crypto for the future.
		All these ultra-rich people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you guys got deep in crypto?
unidentified		Not really, no.
		I mean, crypto is something we've been looking at a lot recently.
		It's actually, it's been overhyped and we're kind of disappointed that we wanted to find a lot of anti-establishment engineers to kind of just make these kind of decentralized things and open source things that, you know, help free us from the oligopoly.
		And unfortunately, a lot of the attention You know, I like to say, you know, all the elite engineers are either working for Google, but those who aren't are working for, they're trying to do cryptocurrency schemes.
		And some of them are, you know, Bitcoin works.
		You know, it's great.
		A lot of these things are just complete nonsense.
		They don't work.
		They're not going to work.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I remember in the early days.
		Yeah, I remember in the early days there were just hundreds of coins that were derivative of Bitcoin and people were just trading between them and it was nonsense.
		It was like they were all basically just slight alterations of Bitcoin for some reason people bought.
		The craziest thing was when there would be a coin That was the lowest possible value it could be.
		Like, you know, eighth decimal point of a cent.
		So if you bought a ton of it, it could only double.
		So people would do it!
		So people would put like a thousand bucks into the most worthless thing possible, because at the very least you sold it and got your money back because it couldn't go any lower.
		It's the weirdest thing.
		And then if it went up to two, you doubled your money and you pulled out.
		Crazy back in the day with crypto.
		It was just weird stuff.
		Game of Hot Potato, Ponzi schemes, whatever.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you need utility.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I like the Minds coin as an example because you use one coin on the Minds network to get a thousand views of advertising.
unidentified		Yeah, Bill's been really good about making sure mines is not like what I was talking about.
unidentified		It's not treated more seriously than it should be, and it's kind of useful.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They didn't take a pre-sale.
		The CEO didn't take 20% of the coins before they went live.
		They just all went live.
		He buys them just like everyone else.
		He has to get them just like everyone else does.
		That's a legitimate thing.
		And then they won't nail it as a securities fraud.
		It's not a Ponzi scheme.
		It actually has value on the network.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But then, do you need crypto?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, you gotta be able to defend yourself against the SWIFT payment system if they want to cut off your bank account.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you need crypto, necessarily, but you need... Like, couldn't you just make, like, the Mines coin?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, Facebook did this before, remember, when they tried making their own currency?
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, they did try.
		Libra.
		And Telegram did, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, no, even before Libra, I'm pretty sure they had, like, Facebook coin or something.
unidentified		Oh!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, before crypto.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They were, like, tokens you could get for, like, the games or whatever.
unidentified		I mean, yeah, that's just, that's not even a blockchain, that's just... Right, no, it's like... It's like an in-app purchase in a video game.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and it's like having gems in Zelda, you know, but you can use them on Facebook.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		My understanding is Diablo 2 gold was actually like a usable currency in some countries for a while.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, World of Warcraft gold also?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That actually had value.
		Because they were, you know, people wanted it so they were farming it and selling it.
		But now World of Warcraft allows you to just buy, you know, buy gold.
		You buy a token that gives someone a month of gameplay and then they spend 20,000 gold on it so then the economy is totally manipulated.
		You know, I just want to say this.
		Guys, if you like If you're not a fan of communism, if you want to explain inflation to somebody, just introduce them to World of Warcraft.
		Or if you know any socialists who play, just ask them, have they ever noticed why it makes no sense that linen costs like 30 gold?
		So let me simplify this for you guys.
		You don't need to be a fan of the video games or anything like that to understand why this is important.
		Or how it's a good, you know, reference for people.
		In the early days of World of Warcraft, there's a game mechanic called Professions.
		So when you go out and you're fighting bandits and then they die, you take their clothes.
		You get linen cloth.
		You can then use that cloth to make armor.
		Or you can do leatherworking.
		You kill a boar and then you skin it and take its leather.
		It used to be worthless, because the value of the item you got was comparable to the level you were.
		If you just started the game and it's easy to kill these things, it's not very valuable now, is it?
		But then they rolled out the mass printing of currency by allowing you to buy money.
		So if you start the game, you can be like, I want to buy the best item, so I'm going to give hard US cash to just have all the gold I want without doing any work for it.
		Well, what ends up happening is, now, the lowest level items cost obscene amounts of money.
		If you start the game off, you'll have no way of making that money.
		I guess it's just hyperinflation.
		You get the land and then you sell it for a bunch of money, and then the economy makes literally no sense anymore.
		That's what the mass printing of money does.
		Makes everything cost more, and World of Warcraft is the easiest way to make these young Gen Z or millennial socialists understand it.
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		Mr. Swaggerwagon says, is it possible for you to get Elon on the podcast?
		I would trade the entirety of my wealth for that episode.
		Gotta have Ian also.
		Those two dudes having a talk would be priceless.
		Your name is Eron.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's not Elon.
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But do you know him?
unidentified		Do not know him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sorry.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I want to talk to him about terraforming Mars.
		I've got some ideas about, like, magnetic transportation between orbital platforms.
		Talk about, like, regrowing the coral in the ocean with microfragmentation and stuff.
		I think it'll be a great conversation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what would be a really interesting conversation, if he was here?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's why we haven't gotten Starlink yet!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, apparently it's not quite working if you're on the road yet, but that's what they're aiming for.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, they just announced it.
		Starlink for RVs, they announced.
		So I'm subscribed to residential, business, and RV, and I'm like, where's that at?
		Come on, what are you doing?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They said that it works best if the RV's parked.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you're driving, that it cuts in and out still, but that's not the intention.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I'm just saying, you know, we'll get Elon on the show, and I'll just be like, where's my Starlink?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I tweeted at him, come on the show, bring Starlink.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Okay, good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he's not gonna do it.
unidentified		I'd love to see it, too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
unidentified		I don't know, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maybe whenever it's up to Elon, I guess.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we're gonna terraform Mars, dude.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		We're gonna melt all that ice underneath the iron-rich dust that's gonna then fertilize the ocean and regrow plankton.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's no atmosphere.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All of that water will just drift off into space.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I wonder.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I wonder how much ice there is there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It'll all go off into outer space.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think it got hit and slowed down, Mars.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You need a certain amount of gravity to hold an atmosphere in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So if... I could be completely wrong about this, but I was reading about why we can't colonize Mars.
unidentified		Yeah, I'm actually more bullish on what they call the O'Neill Cylinder, which is like, you know, the hollowed out asteroid that's rotating.
		And you could do that in low-Earth orbit, and you won't have deaths when people have problems on Mars, because they can just get to Earth pretty quickly.
		But you do have a habitat that's exterior from the Earth ecosystem.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We just need faster-than-light travel.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We need to figure out how to rip holes in the fabric of spacetime.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think that's the Alcubierre drive.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's a warp drive technology.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, we need more people like Elon who are trying to get stuff done.
		Because if we're just going to wait for faster than light travel, it's probably not going to be something we get.
		Star Trek tech is probably not going to be something we get.
		But I definitely would love to get off this planet.
		I was always a big fan of Star Trek.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but if we should just do what we can with what we know now, if we do, if we do colonize Mars, it's going to be underground or it's gonna be big domes.
		You won't go outside.
		It's gonna have to be controlled environments inside.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Uh, yeah.
		If we do seed bombing, you retrofit C 60 bomber planes or like drones and you can drop like a billion seeds per day of trees.
		And like, they don't, they don't catch, like if you're doing it by hand, but so many of them land and if we can start growing trees, there's no atmosphere.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But if there's, there's carbon dioxide coming out of the water, There's not enough gravity to hold the atmosphere in, get it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm wondering if- So it just goes off into space.
unidentified		The dust, the soil, or whatever you want to call it, the substrate is also drier, I think, than any desert on Earth by a factor of like, you know, three times or something like that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It needs to be heated up so that ice melts.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Now, Venus!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's what I'm talking about.
unidentified		Yeah, like Cloud City in Empire Strikes Back.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they talk about how because there's very dense gases, you can actually build easily floating cities.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I shouldn't say easily, but like theoretically.
unidentified		It's a cinch.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You hollow out large structures and then you vacuum it out so they float like boats above the dense atmosphere.
unidentified		And you have one atmosphere of pressure and you have actually one gravity, close to one gravity, so it's much more hospitable than Mars, I think, will ever be.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's read some more.
		We got Ian Hawley's head.
		He said, Civil War, drink!
unidentified		That's right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Drink water.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'll say it ten more times if you're really gonna take shots.
		Civil War.
		Texas Ranger says, Tim, should we bring back asylums to lock up those with mental illness who are a threat to themselves and others?
		I mean, we still lock up people who are a threat to themselves and others.
		It's called the 5150.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		My parents met at a mental institution.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That explains it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They worked there.
		They worked there.
		They got married in the chapel there.
unidentified		It sounded so much different the first way he said it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Everyone's like, now we understand.
		All right.
		Andy Staheli says, what is your opinion on teachers conceal carrying?
		Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun.
		Lids is the reason Timcast works, shouts.
		I think everybody has a right to keep in bare arms.
		It doesn't matter if you're a teacher or not, janitor or whatever.
		Even the kids.
unidentified		I don't own guns, but I like that my neighbors own guns.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Does the Constitution set an age limit for any of the amendments?
		Do 12-year-olds not have a First Amendment right?
		Serious question.
unidentified		I think they do.
		They do some places and they don't others.
		There's cases about First Amendment rights of students in schools.
		What about Fourth Amendment?
		Also, at least in the context of school, their Fourth Amendment rights are somewhat different.
		There are cases, I mean, they still have a Fourth Amendment right, but it is reasonable to search them in a wider variety of circumstances than, say, a man on the street.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, cops can basically just search you.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, like, we have a Fourth Amendment right, but they can detain you and they can frisk you.
unidentified		Um, yeah, there's the, um, shoot, I'm forgetting the case.
		Somebody versus Ohio.
		Yes, they can frisk you for weapons and that and that people have said that that's been, you know, abused and all that.
		But you still have a reasonable expectation of privacy as walking down the street that is a relatively, relatively broad, broader than a student's in a school.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is that Terry versus Ohio?
unidentified		Terry versus Ohio.
		That's it.
		I'm sorry.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about school, but I think kids have a right to keep their arms the same as adults.
		I just think the parents have to be responsible for them.
		And I'm not saying it's the way it should be.
		I'm saying if you look back at how history was, kids were handed weapons.
		You know, kids would go out.
		There's a boar, you know, in the field.
		You got to, you got to stop it.
		It's destroying.
		So they'd give the kid a weapon and they would call up very young people to fight and defend their property from threats, both foreign and domestic.
		If these things are to be changed, then you need to have a convention of states and change them.
		But I don't know.
		Maybe, maybe I'm wrong.
		Maybe there's precedent saying children do not qualify as the people because they fall into the jurisdiction of their parents or something like that until they enter the age of majority.
		All right.
		But as for teachers, yeah, good.
		They should.
		Teachers, janitors, principal, they should all.
		All of them.
		The teacher could have an AR-15 on their back.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think they should.
		I think they should have a holstered weapon.
		I mean, the thing is, if the kids can't, shouldn't be able to go grab it.
		But if it's locked in a safe, maybe, then you're gonna see a lot less attacks, I would think.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kids are not gonna grab it if it's holstered properly or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, I guess if you have a rifle.
unidentified		What was, was the teacher in this situation allowed to have a weapon or not?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		In Texas?
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know anything about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's Texas.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have constitutional carry.
unidentified		Even for teachers in schools?
unidentified		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Constitutional carry, does that, are there, you know, gun-free zones still when they have, when they've passed that?
unidentified		That's interesting.
		There are in Texas.
		There are certain establishments that make more than 51% of their... 50 plus 1% of their revenue from alcohol still you can't carry in, and there's a few others.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Interesting.
		Robert Muir says, if we watch and do nothing, they will win.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Boof says, Aaron and Ian, what's the biggest cyber vulnerability people face in 2022 that the average person isn't aware of?
unidentified		Well, I mean, I would just 2020 things can get worse.
		Like we never thought the political censorship would happen five years ago, and it wound up happening.
		It might not happen in 2022.
		But the things we should watch out for are things like they want to make it so that it's impossible to connect to the internet anonymously.
		Like we should make sure that that's all it's always allowed to connect to the internet anonymously, things like that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What do you think, Ian?
unidentified		I think it's building on what I was just saying about corporations versus government.
		The biggest vulnerability, from my perspective, is a situation where the government can ask a corporation to enforce a dictate that it would not otherwise be able to do.
		What I'm worried about is the executive branch of this country being able to say, we would like so-and-so deplatformed, we would like so-and-so removed from public discourse.
		and Silicon Valley, a company there, having the ability to do so and obliging them.
		Just knowing that they'll get a favor from the government in return or whatever, because
		the government could not do that on their own.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dang Lin Wang says, Ian, look into the Eye of Sahara Atlantis theory.
		Critics who say it's false also say Atlantis was never real to begin with.
		Right up your alley.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's the Rakat structure.
		It's in Mauritania, Africa.
		Everyone should look this up on Google Map or some sort of satellite map imagery.
		If you look up the Rakat structure, it is the ringed city of Atlantis.
		I mean, with almost undeniable proof.
		It's about the same size, I think, that Plato said it was.
		And it's got like water flow areas where it looks like they dug out like a canal to the water.
		I mean, it looks human that humans were involved.
		You can see ancient rivers and stuff all around there that are all dried out now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, Sam Whitehurst says, anytime I have a philosophical dilemma, I end up imagining Tim and Ian having one of their classic arguments representing the two sides of my brain.
		Love you guys and all your work.
		Ian, if you're ever in Florida, let's start a circle, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I like it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A drum circle?
unidentified		I'm in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Drum circle.
		Should imagine it's not like an angel or a devil.
		It's me and Ian.
		Yeah, for sure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're wearing all black.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We should do a bit where it's like Star Trek, where Seamus is trying to make a hard decision.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you're giving him like a strong emotional argument.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm giving a strong logical argument.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That'd be funny.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		DanibusX says, as a longtime member, as a longtime member is of Patriots.win, the successor to the Donald, we referred to editing comments as spez since that incident as a tribute to the head of Reddit.
		That was his username.
		But let me just stress that point.
		For those that don't know, the CEO of Reddit was so angry that he was being made fun of, he went into the database and changed what users had said about him.
		Yo, that's crazy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's so dangerous.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He should have been, he should, like the board should have removed him.
		He should have been fired.
		I mean, that's what, I guess he is the board, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like, yeah, that's part of the problem.
		Like, I wonder if these companies, these, these tech companies should even have a board or a leader.
		Like, I know you guys with right now are starting up, um, like, uh, it's a, it's a C Corp.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The FUDO.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		So you're in charge.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But like, at what point do you, well, it's not a social media network, first of all.
unidentified		Well, it was kind of what I was talking about with trust.
		I would hope that over time, Futo, if we're successful, we'll have enough of a track record that individuals can decide that the things that we kind of give a stamp of approval have been vetted and are doing the right thing.
		In terms of the situation with Reddit, I mean, absolutely, all these companies need to totally open up their moderation process.
		League of Legends did a very interesting thing when they launched, where their moderation for their chat in League of Legends had an open process for deciding who would have their chat privileges removed.
		There's no reason why every tech company can't open up their moderation process.
		So we see exactly how these decisions are made, and the Reddit guy would have seen what he did.
		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Memotype says if only we'd all listened, if only we'd have all listened to Richard Stallman from the beginning, we wouldn't be here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, problem with Stallman, and this is one of the most interesting, I think of him as Yoda, the Yoda of the tech.
		He's of, if the force is real, he's Yoda.
		But he's like a troll, like he likes trolling people.
		And he called it free software, even though it makes it sound like it doesn't cost anything.
		It just means that the software code can be shared freely.
unidentified		Free as in speech, not free as in beer.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And he's like, ha ha ha, you know, he likes that it's confusing.
		That's the problem with that guy, I think.
		I love, I mean, I have much love for the man, but that's that's my criticism of why people aren't listening to him.
unidentified		Yeah, he also never really thought about how to, like, incentivize programmers.
		Like, you should be able to write software and ask people to pay you for it.
		Like, maybe it can still be open source, but you could say, like, hey, give me ten bucks, give me a box of cookies, or whatever, if you're using this software, and if you don't, like, you should delete it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's read some more.
		Michael Guinness says, I was looking at who was running in my district in New York and I didn't see any Republicans running.
		I was thinking of registering Republican and applying to run just for the lulz.
		You say just for the lulz, but this is how you win.
		Like there, how many stories it's like the guy didn't really think it was going to be funny.
		And then all of a sudden you find out you win.
		If there's, if there's no Republican running your district and the GOP is at record turnout, people are going to be like, don't know.
		Don't care.
		Not Democrat rubber stamp.
		You'll end up winning.
		So, you know, Hey, go for it.
		Christopher Knowles says, children fail to self-regulate regularly.
		I think parental limitations of children is for the sake of their own future self-regulation.
		Is parental limitation censorship?
		I think one of the challenges is, at what point does the government act as the parent because the parents, you know, the government doesn't like what the parents are doing.
		Like truancy laws or curfew laws and things like that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, if you give a little, they're gonna take a lot.
		I think for sure parents are censoring their children.
		They're deciding what they can and can't eat, what they can and can't watch, where they can and can't go.
		That's your job.
		That's your job as a parent.
		That's one of your main jobs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In Chicago, if you're under 18, I think under 17 actually, you can't go outside after a certain time.
unidentified		6pm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's new.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's always been, I think, 10-30 or something like that.
unidentified		The cops will... I just remember at, uh, like 11-15, just after, when I was 16, I believe I was 26 days from turning 17, but I got my, my curfew violation in high school.
		Where?
		In Chicago.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In Chicago.
		Right, so the cops pull up, and they're like, get in the car.
		And they take you home, and then your parents have to sign off on it.
		That is insane to me.
		That there are hours where you are not allowed to be outside because you're under 17 or 18 or whatever.
		It's 17, I think, right?
unidentified		In Chicago at the time, it was 17.
unidentified		When I was 16, it was 17.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what it's currently, you know, right now, but think about back in the day when it's like you were working on a farm.
		You'd go outside when you had to go outside.
		It didn't matter how late it was.
		You know, you were, you had to be responsible.
		Now it's like the government is just, it's a nanny state, you know?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, darkness is a little freaky or can be, things can hide.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, Bootless Regent says, I don't know why I'm doing this, but it's my birthday today and I would like to get a shout out for tomorrow when I am listening to this.
		Love your work.
		Shout out, Bootless Regent.
		Happy birthday.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Happy birthday, bro.
unidentified		Happy birthday.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Poor girl.
		The man, the legend says Bill Gates made his first billion selling DOS.
		Yeah, I think he bought it for 50 grand.
		He did a deal, so my understanding is he did a deal with IBM saying, I can get an operating system for your home computers.
		And they were like, okay, and then negotiated a deal like a dollar per machine or something like that.
		And then probably more actually.
		And then he didn't actually have an operating system.
		He just, you know, said he did and then he went and found one and then brought it to them and got the licensing deal on it.
		Good businessman!
		There you go.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's how they did He-Man too.
		You guys ever see that documentary about He-Man?
		The making of He-Man?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's epic.
unidentified		It makes sense.
		Epic.
		Yeah.
		Are we talking about the original cartoon?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The original cartoon.
		They went in there like, we have a character and a comic and a cartoon and they're like, we want it.
		So then they were like, we gotta build it.
unidentified		I always thought it was like repurposed Conan the Barbarian toys that like, they couldn't get the license or something.
unidentified		So they made their own IP to sell the same toys that were going to be Conan or something like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's one way to do it, huh?
unidentified		There's also like an epic saga behind the Dolph Lundgren movie that like, it was just like, uh, you know, from the beginning, a total, total mess.
unidentified		I'm not sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Rilo704 says, please create uniform Linux software suites.
		Apps that people actually want that isn't a repackaged 20-year-old program.
		Package them as flat packs.
		I will pay you handsomely for your work.
		Okay.
		Well, there you go.
unidentified		Great.
		We want to do that.
		We want to encourage people to do that.
		Exactly what he just said.
		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Brian Buck says, would you be interested in hearing opinions about DEC and its founder and CEO for years that did not fit the mold of the controlling narcissist type?
		A tech CEO that maintained a modest life, lifestyle, and salary, and had one hell of a product.
		Interesting.
		There's also that president from Uruguay.
		Remember that guy?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he was a farmer.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What was his name?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jose Mojica or something?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he, like, had a crappy little car.
		And he was, like, super chill.
		And he was like, I don't care, whatever.
		People really liked him.
		Yeah.
		Was he a farmer?
		Probably smoked a lot of pot.
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Louis Lacknoss, the new president.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Louis!
		Steve Bearden says, Tim, shadow please.
		I am a disabled vet with a special needs family trying to move to our homestead property in Alaska from Washington State.
		We need help with our moving costs.
		Thanks so much.
		Give, send, go.
		Mystical Wolf Acres.
		Good luck, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Alaska.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We need to occupy Alaska.
		We need to go there and start building.
		I don't know what you'd eat.
		I'm old.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Why is there no bridge to Russia?
		Is that the most xenophobic thing ever?
		Like, come on.
unidentified		I don't think there's really a lot of commerce up there.
unidentified		Bering Strait bridge?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How far is the Bering Strait?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like 50 miles?
unidentified		If I recall correctly, it's like a hundred miles to an uninhabited island and then another hundred miles across.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's a very long bridge to inhabit the island.
unidentified		I mean, it's possible, but I don't think there's enough commerce for it to make sense.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think the island is inhabited.
unidentified		Oh, okay, maybe.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		By like a very small amount of people.
unidentified		Very small, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's like a field of dreams if you build it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Bro, have you guys ever looked at the Aleutians?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Part of Alaska?
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They go far, far across the Pacific.
unidentified		Oh, cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so it's cool, I don't know.
		I guess they have, on Alaska I think it's called, it's one of the cities, they do, that's where that show about crabbing or whatever it was.
		What was that show?
unidentified		Dangerous Catch.
unidentified		Deadliest Catch.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Deadliest Catch, is that what it was?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, I'm gonna risk my lives to sell crab.
		Good stuff though, man.
		Out here?
		Yo, crab soup.
unidentified		Crabs everywhere!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's so amazing.
unidentified		Crazy!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Cream of crab, man.
		It's so good.
		We went to the restaurant.
		I got some.
		It's the best.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I got a name on that Uruguayan president.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Jose Mujica?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Mujica?
		Yeah, he was a farmer.
		Dude was awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Alright, Spyro Floropolis says, I can code your queued word system.
		I've submitted my resume two times before and haven't heard anything.
		20 years experience.
		Well, this project is kind of like a community project, so just code it and put it up and then we'll shout it out.
		Right?
		Someone said, call it Sources Say.
		That's actually a really fun idea for our website.
unidentified		If he really wants to get paid, he can apply to be a FUTO Fellow and we'll consider it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How do people apply?
unidentified		So go to FUTO.org slash grants.
		You'll see two things up there.
		We've got the FUTO Fellows Program is listed right there.
		We've got the details.
		There's also the FUTO Legendary Grants, which is for people who have already done great work.
		We've made grants.
		We were talking about Larry Sanger's Knowledge Standards Foundation.
		There's more to come on that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you'll fund the Sources Say project if he applies for a grant?
unidentified		We will consider it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I might just do it, because it's funny.
		Just like... Oh, actually, right here, yeah.
		Duder76 says, call the site SourcesSay, and that's the beginning to every post.
		Oh, that's brilliant, actually.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's pretty smart.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		SourcesSay.
		And then, what do we do?
		We'll create like 10 posts, and we'll name them, and then let the community go in.
		You ever see the thing where they draw, where they'll get like a million pixels, and then every user can just draw on it all in real time?
unidentified		Oh, that sounds cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a really, really cool project that they've done periodically.
		And then you can watch, like, someone will draw the American flag.
		There'll be, like, 50 people all trying to draw the American flag, and then someone will try to turn it into the Canadian flag or whatever, and they'll be competing, and then one side wins.
unidentified		Oh!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I forgot what it's called.
unidentified		That's awesome.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so, you guys, it's, uh, F-U-T-O, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Futo?
unidentified		F-U-T-O dot org.
		Yeah.
		And then you can check out the grants tab or slash grants, and it's written there.
		Apply by June 15th.
		We're getting towards there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, so Nine-Tailed Fox says, Covfefe.
		Not Covfefe, Covfefe.
		All right, that's wrong, but I appreciate it.
		JS Feller says, a better Wikipedia would allow users to fork pages and let everyone see all the forks, just like GitHub.
		The most popular forks will win out in the end.
		Interesting.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What licenses their code?
unidentified		I think we need to look at Wikipedia as just a source of diffs.
		They're called diffs, which is the difference from one page to the next.
		And if we just look at it as a source of diffs, you could actually just fork it very easily by saying this editor wins and this editor loses, even though the Wikipedia foundation says the opposite.
		It's pretty complicated software to build that, but it's kind of something we're thinking about a lot, and obviously Larry Sanger's looking at this too.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Captain Tanker Joe says, Tim, I need you to do something for me.
		Stop calling diesel gas when referring to what trucks consume.
		It's either called diesel or fuel.
		You'll get persecuted out here if you say that.
		I don't know if I have said that.
		It was an accident because I typically refer to gas as gasoline and diesel as diesel because I have diesel vehicles and gas vehicles and electric vehicle, singular.
		But so when I say gas, I'm referring to gasoline.
		When I'm saying diesel, I'm referring to diesel.
unidentified		Anyway.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's funny to me they have solid, liquid, and gas, and then gas is a liquid.
		I don't get it, man.
		Humans are so weird.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's gasoline?
		Yeah.
		It's a shortened for gasoline.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Right, but why do they call it liquid-a-lean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's not gaseous.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's just a word, dude.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I guess.
		I mean, it evaporates pretty quickly.
		Nice job, Rockefeller.
		What's that?
unidentified		It evaporates pretty quickly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We don't call water a vapor.
		Like, it's just the word they use.
		It's water vapor, not evaporate, e-vapor.
		No, this is vapor.
		It's gasoline, it's a word.
		It's like when people say, woman is derivative of men, and it's sexist or whatever, when quite literally they have different origins.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, female.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, male and female have completely different linguistic origins, I'm pretty sure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's so weird.
unidentified		Yeah.
		In Britain, you know, it's petrol.
		In Britain, they think it's really funny we call it gas, too.
		Yeah.
		It's not a gas.
		Petrol!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Joseph says, Not true, Tim.
		I used to be a liberal.
		When I had my epiphany, it hurt.
		I still remember my psyche being shattered when I realized what's going on.
		Crazy.
		Logan Roldan says, I am part of a youth program that betters the community, 501c4.
		That is in need of every dollar we can get.
		If we ask for a donation that is tax deductible, would you give us a grant?
		501c4 is not deductible, I'm pretty sure, right?
unidentified		Yeah, that's a political organization, I believe, which makes it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Does C4 mean overt?
		I don't think it means overt.
		Oh, yeah, it engages in politics.
unidentified		Yeah, I think that's the difference between a C3 and a C4.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't mean that it is a political organization, but that because they will advocate for policy or a politician, it's a C4.
		That's why a lot of nonprofits that do political work will have a C3 and a C4.
		Veritas is a good example.
		They have Project Veritas and Project Veritas Action.
		One is able to do operations on politicians and one is not.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Confirmed it is not tax-deductible, 501c4.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is not tax-deductible.
		Plus, we gotta, we gotta put funding into our, uh, getting this, uh, news rating agency and fact-checking thing up and running.
		Steve Moliterno says, create the Ianpedia app, which surfaces the Wikipedia definition accompanied by a Tim fact-check label.
		Wait for them to take you to court.
		There you go.
unidentified		All right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We'll grab some more.
		What do you got?
		Sherman Panzer.
		If a civil war truly comes to be, I would have to wonder who would be our real friends and foes upon the world stage.
		China would be just be, they'd be like, yeah, yeah, we're going to give you money, you know, this faction, and then they're going to go to the other faction.
		We're going to, we're going to give you money and just fund both.
		Make them fight.
		All right.
		Let's see where we're at.
		Dorktanian says, Cali Prime Aries are... Oh, Cali Prime Aries.
		It's split into two words, Prime Aries.
		Probably using voice detector, right?
		California primaries are June 7th.
		I'm putting all my savings into my own business and not above asking for help at givesendgo.com slash Cajun.
		Are you running?
		Well, good luck.
		Refugee CA says, Why aren't police departments located where schools are?
		Kids could better see examples of what happens when you make bad choices plus better security.
		That's an interesting question.
		Maybe it's because criminals are brought there and they don't want them near kids?
		They'd be releasing people?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Probably.
unidentified		Yeah?
		I mean, probably just the parents would complain.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Diver867 says, for the love of God, please someone tell me that there is no Wuhan Institute of Monkeypox virology.
		Uh, here's one from TheRealHydro.
		Oh, must be a first-time superchatter.
		The gravity on Mars, 3.721 meters per second.
		Is it squared?
		It's hard to see the little tiny thing.
		Tim, how dafuq is water going to fly away?
		Please stop being a know-it-all.
		My good sir, it's because water evaporates, and then water vapor leaves the atmosphere.
		Okay?
		I could be wrong about that on Mars, but I'm pretty sure I was reading something about that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like low pressure, it would evaporate at a lower temperature.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Water evaporates on Earth.
unidentified		I mean, I think it keeps its atmosphere, but for much less than Earth does.
unidentified		I mean, I think they think it had an atmosphere in the past, but it just went away because the gravity wasn't strong.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's that scar, that huge scar along Mars.
		It looks like something rammed it and ripped it open and all the magma came out and covered the entire planet.
		So you've got all this iron oxide dust now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it was the Great War.
		Yeah, wiped out human civilization.
		And then the survivors was a small, small band about six people crashed on earth and had to rebuild.
		And that's it.
		They wrote a book trying to tell us everything we needed to do and understand to survive.
		They call it the book.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's the Valles Marineris.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's this, I don't know how long it is, but 4,000 kilometer trench.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the book.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Let's call it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I was making a joke about religion.
		All right, let's see.
		Rando Bunderson says, Mars has an atmosphere, albeit a very thin one, otherwise the helicopter drone Ingenuity on it right now wouldn't function.
		Ah, yes.
		Well, there you go.
		I stand corrected.
		I think, you know, I was just reading that it's difficult to maintain or something.
unidentified		They said that it's a very thin atmosphere.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's there.
unidentified		It's like I was surprised that that thing worked, but it did.
		Wow.
		Like like because it is like something like 1% or like compared to Earth's atmosphere.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's crazy.
		Wow, good for them.
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		Aaron, do you want to shout anything out?
unidentified		I mean, you've heard it a few times already, but yeah, trying to make FUTO successful.
		We need everybody's help to do that.
		We want to beat big tech.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And that's FUTO dot, tell me.
unidentified		FUTO dot org.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		F-U-T-O?
unidentified		Yes, F-U-T-O dot org.
		Check out the grants program, Fudo Fellows.
		$20,000 per team members, up to five of you.
		If you're working on something, a cool technology that you want to get started, let us help you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Fudo dot org slash grants.
		You guys, I wanted to shout out the official launch of the Minds Festival of Ideas.
		Minds is doing a show in New York City on June 25th.
		I will be speaking.
		Also confirmed as Tim Pool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh wow, I gotta see that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It turns out he's good.
		He's great, dude.
		He's really good.
		Cornell West.
		We got Zuby.
		We got Majid Nawaz.
		The list goes on.
		You can go to, and I have the link here for you, it is festival.minds.com.
		Get your tickets early because this thing's gonna sell out.
		And we'll see you there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think James O'Keefe is gonna be there too, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I believe so.
		Let's check it out.
		O'Keefe, yeah, he's on the list.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think I'm speaking with him.
unidentified		Oh, good.
unidentified		Good.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's going to be a good show.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we're going to rag on the media together and then high five.
		We're going to be like, the media sucks!
		And you'll be like, yes!
unidentified		Boom!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, big lineup.
		Seth Dillon will be there.
		Just check it out.
		Festival.Minds.com.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sweet.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Well, awesome.
		Very cool.
		I'm excited for that.
		Thank you guys very much for tuning in this evening.
		I was correct.
		I was completely inundated with tech talk.
		We'll put it that way.
		But I appreciate it.
		I hope you guys learned as much as I did.
		You guys can follow me on Twitter and Minds.com, at Sour Patch Lids, as well as SourPatchLids.me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We will see you all over at TimCast.com for that member segment.

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