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May 18, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Biden Ministry Of Truth IS DONE, Director QUITS w/Libby Emmons & Elad Eliahu
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seamus coughlin
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unidentified
you you
you Joe Biden's disinformation board is done
tim pool
It has been suspended, and Nina Jankowikz, the director of this program, has resigned in shame.
Yeah, it's entirely our fault.
the news breaks through Taylor Lorenz who writes an opinion piece about it blaming who was a Jack
Posobiec and the post-millennial. Yeah, maybe your fault.
Yeah, it's entirely our fault. We take the credit. Yeah. All right. We got a bunch of other stories,
though. Half of Joe Biden's followers are fake, according to an audit. Elon Musk is confirming
yes, in fact, he will be voting Republican. Twitter says they're going to force him to buy
Twitter. And they say they, Axios says they turn they turn the table on him. And I'm like, they
didn't want to sell him in the first place.
And now they're demanding it.
I think Elon has won this one.
We've got a couple other interesting stories.
There was a news that broke of a female skateboarder who lost.
She won second place, but she was knocked down because of a male athlete, a trans woman.
Who competed and she made a post about an Instagram that's going viral at the state.
So we'll discuss that too.
Skateboarding, of course, is near and dear to my heart.
I know a lot about this and a lot about the physics involved, which matters when it comes to the difference between differences between males and females.
But then we also have the U.S.
soccer.
The men and women are going to share the World Cup prizes.
libby emmons
Yeah, that doesn't seem reasonable at all.
tim pool
That seems weird.
Yeah, but we'll talk about it.
And obviously Libby's here.
libby emmons
Here I am.
Who are you?
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm the editor in chief with the Post Millennial.
Glad to be here.
tim pool
Right on.
We got Shim Sham.
seamus coughlin
Shamus.
I'm Shamus Coghlan.
I create cartoons at Freedom Tunes.
If you guys want to check that out, go over there.
We're going to be releasing a new cartoon tomorrow.
Also, if you want to go to freedomtunes.com, put your email address in the little box.
We will email you when we launch on May 30th.
We're also going to have a subscription service where you'll get extra cartoons for five bucks a month.
tim pool
We got Elad.
He's back.
elad eliahu
Awesome.
What's up, everybody?
I am Elad.
I'm an on-the-ground reporter for Timcast.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
And honorary Ian today.
elad eliahu
Honorary Ian.
Excited to be the chair.
tim pool
Honorary.
Not really Ian, but you know.
lydia smith
Close enough.
He's our knockoff Ian for the evening.
I am also here pushing buttons in the corner, as I do every evening.
tim pool
Great value, Ian.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
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Let's jump into the first big news!
So, just right off the bat, it was a terrible idea.
I don't think he's doing this because of free speech.
I think it's polling poorly among Democrats.
governance board. The board's executive director Anita Jankowik announced her
departure from the Department of Homeland Security. So just right off the
bat, it was a terrible idea. I don't think he's doing this because of free
speech. I think it's polling poorly among Democrats. Bill Maher came out on
his show and said, these are not bright people in government. So when you get
Bill Maher on his show to a million liberals saying this is bad, don't be
surprised then when they're like, oh, we got a midterm coming up and we're
seamus coughlin
Well, wait, I mean, how do we know this is true or not if Biden suspended the disinformation board?
libby emmons
We do know it.
In fact, there was a question about it today in the White House press conference with the new press secretary, Corinne Jean-Pierre.
Peter Doocy asked if perhaps the disinformation governance board was suspended due to disinformation.
elad eliahu
There we go.
libby emmons
John Pierre basically confirmed that yes, there was misinformation surrounding the Disinformation Governance Board that a lot of people had slammed it.
seamus coughlin
It's the perfect crime.
libby emmons
It's the perfect crime, yeah, that a lot of people had slammed it.
It was actually pretty amazing to see this come down today.
tim pool
That's misinformation.
I don't believe it.
No, I mean that seriously.
That they were like, oh, you know, people were spreading lies about it, so we had to shut it down.
libby emmons
No, no, no, no, no.
No, it was obviously not lies.
It was obvious that people were spreading truth about it.
In fact, the head of the Ministry of Truth, the Minister of Truth, Nina Jankowicz, had spread substantial amounts of misinformation all by
herself on her own feeds.
And it was spectacular because as soon as she was announced, as soon as she came out on Twitter
and announced that this is what she'd been working on for the last seven months,
Jack Posobiec went out there and just started pulling all of her old tweets and all of her
old things where she was talking about Russia collusion and all of these things, COVID things,
and she was like just spreading misinformation and disinformation all over the place.
seamus coughlin
You know what, I really hope her and James Lindsay end up in a musical together.
unidentified
Yes.
seamus coughlin
Did you guys see her singing?
libby emmons
The whole thing.
seamus coughlin
People were like making fun of her.
I was like, dude, make fun of her for the misinformation.
Don't make fun of her for singing.
tim pool
Well, the political singing was real cringe.
When she did the Mary Poppins political thing, I was like, come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
What are we doing here?
seamus coughlin
I don't know, convince me.
tim pool
But the actual, you know, she got ragged on by the Colorado Defender when she was doing that, what do I gotta do to be famous bit.
I'm like, yeah, it's good Ian.
I said I thought her singing was good because it's not political She was just doing a bit and she was like, I want to be famous and then Ian was like no She's got her shoulders up and tight.
seamus coughlin
She's not singing from the chest She doesn't know what she's doing and I'm like which is hilarious cuz like usually Ian goes easier on people Even when they say things politically that we very much disagree with but she's singing wrong He's like no, this is absolutely not like we can understand he took theater.
Yeah, exactly.
libby emmons
He was like I am offended by I studied theater for pretty much my entire life, and I actually thought that it was kind of cute that she was into doing performance art, even though she had this weird government career.
I didn't have an issue with that singing.
I did have an issue with her COVID misinformation Mary Poppins song.
I thought that was total trash.
tim pool
It's weird how when we were young, the adults who were writing books about this stuff, when we weren't even alive, the books that were coming out were like, the future dystopia.
Men have steel jaws from the war and metal limbs and cyborgs rule all and the government comes and bangs a giant sword in the ground.
Do as you're told.
And what we really got was this permanent child who is singing Mary Poppins going, we're good.
It's like it's it's substantially creepier, you know Millennials aren't growing up No, but they don't want to.
libby emmons
And in part, millennials aren't growing up because adults have told them that adulthood is bad.
We come up with words like adulting as though there's some problem with responsibility.
And it's like, just grow up.
Be responsible.
tim pool
Why?
libby emmons
It's not bad.
The thing, too, is it's like when you were a kid, remember when you were a kid and everyone wanted to grow up?
I don't know if you guys had that.
And people were like, oh, I could buy all the toys I want.
I'll get to eat all the candy that I want.
And it's like now we tell.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you do.
libby emmons
It turns out you do.
I buy ice cream and I put it in my fridge, in my freezer, and then we eat it.
tim pool
When I was like 20, I just one day was like, you know, what's one thing I always thought I would do and never did?
I'm going to go to the store and buy a whole thing of cookie dough and just walk around eating it.
libby emmons
Nice.
tim pool
So I went to the grocery store, I grabbed a thing of cookie dough, I bought it, started eating it, and some little kid saw me and he went, As he walked, as I walked past me, it gets better.
And I'm like, I looked at him and I was like, I'm like, that's right.
I bite it.
unidentified
And then five minutes later, I went, oh, I didn't see the aftermath.
tim pool
Like, this is why my parents said you don't do these things.
seamus coughlin
By the way, I meant James O'Keefe, not James Lindsay.
When I was confused.
libby emmons
Oh, I'm so sorry.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, no, no, not James.
That doesn't make any sense.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Unless you're talking about like his sword movement.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, James Lindsay would never be in a musical.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Maybe.
seamus coughlin
No, they wouldn't allow it.
libby emmons
That's funny, because I pictured James O'Keefe when you said James Lindsay, because I knew that he had done the thing.
seamus coughlin
He's all about musical theater.
tim pool
That would be funny, too, because, like, the left thinks James O'Keefe is just, like, the king of disinformation and manipulation, and the right calls Nina Jankowicz the minister of truth.
unidentified
So, like, Romeo and Juliet with James O'Keefe and Nina Jankowicz.
libby emmons
What we have is a Broadway show.
Like, what we need is investors.
That's all we need.
This would sell out.
How much do we need?
tim pool
I'll fund it.
libby emmons
Right?
Like, what do we need for a Broadway show?
Like, start with half a million?
tim pool
Done.
libby emmons
Let's do it.
unidentified
Sign it.
tim pool
So here's my serious question, though, is when you look at the DHS Disinformation Board and you look at Nina Jankowik's, they literally put a child in charge of the Department of Homeland Security.
And the issue is the adults People who are more mature and more understanding aren't in these jobs.
libby emmons
Well, what they did was they put a fool in charge of the Department of Homeland Security.
They put Mayorkas in charge.
And he came out shortly after Biden was inaugurated and said to immigrants all across the world, we're not saying don't come.
We're saying don't come now.
And then he proceeded to deny that repeat repeatedly that he had said it.
And he did say it and he did mean it.
And that's that's why we have so many people storming the border.
tim pool
Yeah, I got a good idea for a cartoon you can do Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I actually is this about Biden saying comment?
tim pool
Okay.
It is the disinformation board announcing they're shutting down.
And then all the journalists are like writing it down.
And they're like breaking news.
And as they're doing it, Nina Jankiewicz presses a button.
And then the whole stage like goes down into a sub base where it's like, they walk into the generals like we've increased your funding by $3 billion.
And the whole thing was just disinformation.
seamus coughlin
No, they're going, the misinformation board's going out of business!
All our misinformation has to go!
unidentified
Misinformation of the dollar, 20% off all misinformation!
libby emmons
That's clever, I like that.
tim pool
And then you highlight Nina Jankowik's tweets and the things she said.
That's funny because when she said that thing about the laptop, she was like, Joe Biden says 50 different people said this.
It was clearly disinformation, or misinformation, whichever one you want to pick.
And she was like, I was just quoting the president.
It's like, okay, so by your standard, you are spreading disinformation.
Thank you.
Did you correct it?
No.
seamus coughlin
I mean, was that an excuse if Trump said something that was adjudicated to have been false by the fact checkers?
Could you say, I was just repeating what the president said, not misinformation.
tim pool
Actually, as you know, whenever Trump would make a claim and the media called him a liar, he would just say, well, that's what I was told.
unidentified
And then the media would go, oh, we get it.
tim pool
We'll retract that.
seamus coughlin
Trump was in fact told that.
tim pool
Actually, it's a funny thing.
What if a journalist, you know, Donald Trump said, you know, this will cost X amount of dollars, and they're like, how does that make sense?
That's not true.
Well, that's what I was told.
So a journalist actually investigates and they find the person who told Trump that, and they're like, fact check true.
Donald Trump was told this.
seamus coughlin
It was corn pop.
They formed an alliance.
elad eliahu
I'm trying to understand who this was originally angled to try to appeal to in the Biden administration.
Was it the MSNBC liberals?
I don't understand.
seamus coughlin
Do you think it was to appeal to anyone, or do you think it was just to try to shut people up?
libby emmons
Well, what they were actually trying to do, if you look at what their documentation says in the first place, their goal was to dispel disinformation outside of the U.S.
seamus coughlin
Oh, Russian disinfo, right?
libby emmons
No, no, like about immigration and stuff.
So months and months ago, the White House press secretary, Jen Psaki, had talked about how one of the Biden administration's plans to get people to stop trying to come to the U.S.
illegally was to give proper information in those locales to tell them like actually don't come so I think this was part of that effort that was sort of the idea but there's so little goodwill for the Biden administration at this point They spread all kinds of ridiculous misinformation and disinformation that coming out with something like this, they had no chance.
If they had come out and said, this is part of our plan to get immigrants to not come to the U.S., we're going to tell them not to come, and gave it some sort of name like that, it would have been much better received, I think, because a lot of people would like there to be more security at the border.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, I mean, their entire regime depends upon spreading misinformation, right?
When they came out and were saying things like, the reason we have higher prices is because store owners are greedy.
Right.
And it's Putin's fault that we have high gas prices.
tim pool
I mean- Joe Biden said that to tackle inflation, we're going to make the corporations, or what do you say, make the rich- Make the rich pay more taxes.
And then Peter Doocy was like, how does making rich people pay more taxes lower inflation?
seamus coughlin
Well, that counters all of their arguments about how rich people don't... They also say rich people don't stimulate spending, they just hoard all the money.
So, by that logic, taxing them could never curb inflation.
tim pool
My favorite is that Joe Biden launched his campaign off of misinformation.
libby emmons
And also, they want to... The Charlottesville stuff.
Yeah, he sure did.
And Rittenhouse and everything, he lied about that.
elad eliahu
Not to mention that he's run before Charlottesville ever happened.
tim pool
He ran it five times, so... He's lied all the time and he's plagiarized everything.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
tim pool
And he's going to come out and be like, I'm going to tackle this information.
I came up with that.
And then you're like, there's a guy standing next to him was like writing it down.
And he's like, I guess.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's pretty sad, but it's pathetic.
It's just that this is a regime which repeatedly says things that are verifiably untrue.
I mean, we're not just talking about a situation where someone might be using facts which are true to construct a narrative that we disagree with.
Like, saying that businesses are raising their prices just because of corporate greed is an unbelievably insane and easily falsifiable thing to say.
Did businesses just get greedy after we flooded the economy with extra money?
tim pool
Yes.
seamus coughlin
Oh, okay.
Well, never mind.
I've been fact-checked.
tim pool
They're all greedy.
libby emmons
Yeah, they're super greedy.
That's why they're trying so hard to hire people and offering all of these signing bonuses to do so.
seamus coughlin
And what's fascinating to me is they just became greedy after a bunch of money was injected into the economy.
That's when they decided to become greedy and raise prices.
Interesting.
libby emmons
Also, it's interesting that the Biden administration is currently looking to reduce sanctions on Venezuela in order to gain oil exports from that country, as though Venezuela is some perfectly fine place.
Like, why did we have sanctions?
They haven't made any changes.
It's sad that we couldn't force them to come.
It's just that we want their stuff.
Yeah.
elad eliahu
And same with Saudi Arabia.
If it was Donald Trump, I think we would have been able to get something out of the Saudis, but it might be a whole other conversation.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's talk about Taylor LeRoy.
So we got this story from the Washington Post, how the Biden administration let right-wing attacks derail its disinformation efforts.
I don't understand why the Washington Post doesn't label this stuff opinion, and I don't understand why NewsGuard gives them a 100 of 100 when they don't label opinion.
In it, she says right here that disinformation has emerged as an urgent and important issue.
Important to whom?
That's your opinion!
Hey, why don't you put an opinion on this?
People see this stuff and they think it's facts.
It is not.
It is Taylor Loren's opinion on what happened.
So anyway, in the article, she falsely claims it was right-wing disinformation that derailed it when Bill Maher on his show came out and said, this is ridiculous, these are not bright people, what are they doing?
Bill Maher, one of the most prominent liberal voices, said this is bad, but it was all the right wing.
Now, you know what I'm offended by?
She doesn't give Bill Maher any of the credit and she gives it all to you.
libby emmons
Yeah, she gives it to the Postmillennial.
That's not fair.
She claims that the Postmillennial was part of this campaign to take down the Disinformation Governance Board.
And you know, perhaps we were.
Perhaps we should take some credit for that.
Was she knocking on your door?
No, she wasn't actually.
She's never reached out to us.
She blocked me on Twitter.
I found that out one time when I Are you blocked?
her for a comment about how she had doxed libs of TikTok for no apparent reason.
tim pool
And she blocked me on Twitter.
It was completely unreasonable.
All I did was put up a billboard in Times Square saying that she doxed libs of TikTok
and then she blocked me.
elad eliahu
Seamus, are you blocked by Taylor Swift?
seamus coughlin
Let's see.
I guess this is a real test of whether I'm like a real concern.
Are you blocked?
unidentified
I don't know.
Really?
You are?
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Is that the threshold?
tim pool
Why does she block you?
seamus coughlin
Hold on.
elad eliahu
I think she might have blocked people by, like, if you follow.
lydia smith
Like a blocked list.
unidentified
Yeah.
elad eliahu
Something like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Well, I'm on a lot of those.
What's interesting, though, is that she's claiming that we dug up Nina Jankowicz's past social media posts and published articles to generate controversy.
It was not to generate controversy.
It was to expose exactly who was the minister of truth who was running this bogus organization, who was running this operation.
To expose who it was that the Biden administration thought it was worthwhile to put in charge of something this serious.
Someone who had spread disinformation themselves.
Someone who had, you know, essentially called for censorship.
And someone who clearly should not be trusted to give accurate or truthful information.
elad eliahu
It is extremely ironic because Jack Posobiec just found Jenkiewicz's early tweets and released them.
He took a look at it, yeah.
That's the first thing Taylor Lorenz does when she tries to make a hit piece on somebody.
They just look up their old tweets.
tim pool
This is what Glenn Greenwald pointed out.
He said, according to Taylor Lorenz, you are not allowed to dig into the private information of high-ranking Homeland Security officials, but it's okay to go after an anonymous person who has bad ideas.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
When did the role of journalist become being tattletales on your average person?
Someone on Twitter said something that I don't like.
I need to expose them.
libby emmons
Well, I'll tell you exactly when that happened.
elad eliahu
Almost always, hasn't it?
seamus coughlin
But like the average person?
tim pool
I don't know.
libby emmons
It happened with me, too.
It happened with me, too.
Because that was the first time when it was acceptable to just start telling tales out of school about somebody's bad date.
tim pool
I think I think I view journalists like mini-me like Dr. Evil is the government and mini-me is just like, you know, well, I mean you made this point That's always what they've done.
seamus coughlin
I agree with you that it's it's always been very much corrupt I mean the mainstream media in this country has been as it been a disaster for a lot longer than people realize but it's the going after like everyday average random people thing which is is very strange and and Yeah, there are creepy weirdo authoritarians running most of our institutions.
tim pool
When you look at the Supreme Court leaks, these crackpots, these people, are in everything.
They have no regard for tradition or culture.
And I'm not saying all tradition, all culture.
I'm saying they have no regard for community.
They have no regard for any kind of norms, respect.
I imagine they have their moral compass, their moral foundation, sorry.
Zero, nothing.
They don't even have care and fairness.
It's just literally nothing.
They're just confused, angry people.
libby emmons
Well, they think that they're doing the right thing.
tim pool
I don't believe that.
libby emmons
You don't think that they think they're doing the right thing?
I think they think that they're doing the appropriate thing by leaking this information.
tim pool
I think they're NPCs.
libby emmons
You think Taylor Lorenz is an NPC?
tim pool
I think Taylor Lorenz is the perfect example of a modern shock jock.
I think, based on conversations I've had with people in the industry, it seems to me, it's my opinion, that she was hired specifically to generate outrage and controversy by writing shock content that is bordering on defamation.
The goal being, why are we talking about the Washington Post now?
Because she writes something that's a clear opinion, not labeled as opinion, knowing it'll anger a lot of people.
She accuses only the right, ignores Bill Maher, which will clearly, the right will be like, hey, you can't say, that's not true and you're wrong.
And then shows will produce segments where we'll talk about her, it will generate earned press, and that's what they want.
So, I've had some conversations.
I'm trying to get better confirmation.
But my understanding is that the people at the Post are well aware of it.
That there are veteran journalists who throw up in their mouths a little bit every day because they're sickened by what the paper has become.
Because they know she was brought on specifically as a shock jock.
As a culture warrior shock jock to generate scandal.
And that's her thing.
libby emmons
Well, and she does, and then she goes on TV and cries about it when people don't like what she writes.
elad eliahu
For better or worse, I think reporting's always had this issue where people have been activists, but the more I get involved and the more I pay attention to the news, the more I realize that it's almost everybody that's an activist reporter nowadays.
It's hard to find anybody who isn't really just trying to back up their priors.
This is extremely true with Taylor Renz, but she's not the only one.
seamus coughlin
No, definitely not.
unidentified
Definitely not.
seamus coughlin
I mean, I've probably brought him up a million times on this show, but we talk a bit about Walter Durante every now and again.
unidentified
I mean, this is very early stuff.
seamus coughlin
We're going back to, what, the 30s here?
And the fact that he was covering up the Soviet genocide because he was himself a communist and won a Pulitzer for it.
tim pool
And they're winning Pulitzers for fake news to this day.
elad eliahu
I don't think they rescinded that Pulitzer.
seamus coughlin
They did not rescind the Pulitzer.
elad eliahu
That's what it was too.
They didn't rescind it either, which is insane.
tim pool
We've talked about doing our own journalistic award ceremony to counter the Pulitzers.
The Timmy's?
I would not call it that.
That's a terrible name.
But we would call it something.
Maybe like the Truth Award.
That's great branding.
Like, if you call your social network Truth Social.
elad eliahu
Yeah, that's what Trump would call it.
libby emmons
I don't think you should call it that.
tim pool
No, I think it's a terrible idea.
seamus coughlin
He's actually trademarked the word truth.
tim pool
It is a terrible name.
Someone pointed out, I saw a tweet, they're like, why didn't he call it Covfefe?
Like, everybody would have been like, download the Kefifi app, and everybody would want it.
Trump's Kefifi app, and you need a weird name, but it's like, truth!
And then you, like, post truths.
libby emmons
I hate that.
I hate posting truths.
seamus coughlin
There's a disinformation board, like, you post anything that's not true, you're kicked off the website.
Like, that's it.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
I'm gonna re-truth.
Ah, geez.
elad eliahu
Re-truth.
unidentified
Yikes.
tim pool
Terrible branding.
libby emmons
That actually sounds, uh, that sounds like something the disinformation governance board would do.
They would re-truth.
tim pool
I think the institutions are in decay.
I think that the culture war is split between those in the know and those who are not in the know.
It has nothing to do with your political positions because I think everyone here has varying political positions we all disagree with each other on because we've had these conversations before to a great degree including foreign war or abortion but we all agree on Basically, what's the fact?
And so, if that's what unites this table and the people watching, we're like, okay, what's true and what's not true?
What can be verified?
What's not verified?
And then the other side of the culture war are people who have no idea the Democrats tried to create, make a legal path towards third trimester or, you know, late term abortions.
libby emmons
Well, they did.
It's right there in the woman's house.
tim pool
But they didn't read the book.
I mean, I'm sorry, they didn't read the bill.
libby emmons
Oh, it's right there.
I read the bill.
tim pool
But that's exactly it.
So if I read the bill and I'm like, that's what it says, why does it say that?
And then we have a liberal progressive on the show who are like, no, no, no.
It's like, did you read the bill?
unidentified
No.
libby emmons
You have to read the bill.
That was like the parental rights and education bill.
No one read that bill either.
And so you had a bunch of people coming out, including Mark Hamill, just being like, gay, gay, gay.
And it's like, no one is prohibited from saying that.
tim pool
Children!
libby emmons
It's saying don't teach them about weird sex acts in school.
tim pool
It literally, when they were all screaming gay over and over again, I'm like, imagine being in a daycare and all the kids are yelling neener, neener.
And you're like, kids, be quiet.
Kids, stop yelling that.
And they're all going, neater, neater, and they won't stop.
That's what it is.
They're all yelling something, and you're like, why are you yelling this?
Some kid goes, hey, if you yell neater, neater, they're going to get us ice cream.
So they all start screaming, and you're like, I'm not going to do that.
That's not children.
They don't know what they're talking about.
They're too arrogant to actually read it.
They believe these psychotic ramblings of people like Taylor Lorenz.
And then we have to deal with the problems when they go and vote for nonsensical garbage.
libby emmons
Yes.
Like children suddenly believing that they are actually the opposite sex just because they came up with it randomly.
elad eliahu
It's crazy because the truth here in these larger narratives almost doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter what the bill says as long as you're allowed to run on it and are able to run on it as like the don't say gay bill.
That's the only thing that people are going to really understand.
libby emmons
And that was disinformation.
That was disinformation and it was repeated by the White House over and over again.
It was repeated in the briefing room.
You know, it's disinformation that Joe Biden says that the best course forward is gender affirmation, telling parents to affirm their children and it will save their lives.
That's disinformation.
This White House consistently spreads falsehoods and claims that it's true.
tim pool
Well, how about we talk about those falsehoods?
We got this report from Newsweek.
Half of Joe Biden's Twitter followers are fake!
seamus coughlin
What's disinformation?
People are going, you're telling me he got 80 million followers?
No.
libby emmons
I believe this was true also.
We were looking at this today at Post Millennial.
I think this was also true of Justin Trudeau's Twitter followers.
Most of them are.
elad eliahu
What is this based off of?
tim pool
Well, there's an audit company.
It's called Sparktor.
seamus coughlin
It's based on Dinesh's documentary.
elad eliahu
Because I'm really cynical about this stuff only because I know when you sign up to Twitter, you're going to get like three people.
It's going to be like Joe Biden, Elon Musk, and like Jack or something.
So I'd understand why, so I'd like to look at, I don't know, I'd like to understand the methodology a little bit, what's going on.
tim pool
I don't know if they reveal their methodology, and I think they said fake or spam accounts.
And it's, I'm sorry, that was Musk, that was Musk.
seamus coughlin
Well I guess they said there was like this tweet harvesting going on for Joe Biden.
elad eliahu
It's not clear how Musk arrived at the 20% figure, he figured out a goal and changed a series of tweets, anyway.
tim pool
So, there's a couple ways to do it.
I think Elon may have made a mistake.
When Agrawal said it was less than 5%, he said of daily active users.
Of their active users, the fake accounts comprise of less than 5%.
Elon Musk, based on this, said all users must be around 20%.
So there's a difference.
There are a lot of users that don't do anything.
They're counting monthly or daily active users or whatever.
But, I believe this is likely true.
Because the at POTUS account, whenever a bot or a spam bot will sign up, it's going to follow prominent accounts to try and look real.
And of course it's going to follow the president.
So that it's like following a bunch of verified accounts.
And here's a big one.
seamus coughlin
Well, isn't it funny how like it's a bunch of accounts with people who we know are not the actual person following an account that we know is not being tweeted by the actual person either.
It's like Joe Biden's not running the Twitter account.
The whole thing is fake.
libby emmons
Joe Biden's not running the Twitter account.
He's not running the country.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Well, Elon Musk said it's whoever's controlling the teleprompter.
But yeah, Donald Trump actually was tweeting.
seamus coughlin
There is no denying it.
libby emmons
Donald Trump was actually tweeting from the bathroom.
seamus coughlin
He could not hire a writer to write those things.
libby emmons
He was tweeting from the bathroom, Donald Trump, as president.
elad eliahu
Isn't that how everybody tweets?
seamus coughlin
Can you imagine someone being like, I was Donald Trump's tweet writer?
Like putting that on your resume?
No, it was Trump.
There's no way anyone else said any of that.
elad eliahu
Would you imagine the staffers outside the bathroom reading a tweet?
tim pool
He would watch Fox News and then he would tweet it right away and it'd be like, Tucker said this, or did you hear about this?
Then he would go to rallies and he'd repeat it.
It was really obvious that he would just watch Fox and be like, boom, something happened.
libby emmons
I kind of, I liked it.
I mean, you know, and, and, you know, being a journalist and seeing Trump just tweet random things was really a lot of fun.
You could get like a whole bunch of stories to talk about what Trump was saying on Twitter.
tim pool
I was told by corporate journalists that it was violence.
That every day, there were journalists at news organizations who were told, your job is to keep refreshing Trump's Twitter feed, and then when he says something, write it up.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness.
And they were saying it was violence, his tweets?
tim pool
They were saying that it was, like, stressful, and that they needed, like, you know, health days, that once he lost the election, they were like, finally, it's over.
Or, I'm sorry, once he got banned.
They were like, like, I'm crying tears of joy, like, I can go back to normal working now, no more stress.
They were saying how they would get text messages at 2 in the morning from their boss, being like, Trump just tweeted, write it up, and they'd be like, ahhh!
It's ironic.
libby emmons
It's really not that bad.
I work from home.
I live in New York City.
I have a job as a journalist.
Sometimes I have to write things at 2 a.m.
and it's totally fine.
I have no problem doing that.
tim pool
As we saw with the Twitter leaks from Veritas, this guy said he worked, what, four hours in the last quarter?
That's right. He did their children. They don't want to work. The craziest thing is I saw someone post something
where they were like uh
They said something about all of my friends who are going on vacation their summer plans
and you know i'm stuck here with the kids and i'm and i'm just like
I don't understand if he's I don't know if he's complaining or if he's like
I don't understand what he's trying to say.
But the conversation was basically, like, the, uh, the dinks, the dual-income, no-kids people were, like, going to travel and party and live in the good life.
And it's, like... I don't... You know what I don't get?
I'll segue, sort of.
Why everybody wants to be younger.
libby emmons
I don't get that either.
I mean, I don't want to be older either, but I don't want to be younger.
tim pool
Well, I don't care either way.
It's like you live, you grow, you age, and then you pass.
libby emmons
I think aging is going to be painful.
I'm not really quite looking forward to that.
unidentified
It's better than the alternative.
libby emmons
Yes, it's better than the alternative.
tim pool
A lot of really great people who came before us got old.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And they died.
And I'm just like, why would I not want the human experience?
libby emmons
Yeah, that is part of it.
elad eliahu
Wait, that sounds like a cope.
I'd want to live longer if I could.
If I could almost live forever.
Yeah, because it almost sounds like you say you don't want to live forever because we don't have the opportunity to and I'm saying that to make myself feel better about it.
libby emmons
You know, what's funny is I have this same debate with my son, who is 12, and we talk about whether or not you'd want to live forever.
And I'm always like, yeah, you'd want to live forever.
That's amazing.
You know, you could see everything.
You could see how the human story comes to a final conclusion, like what really happens.
And he's like, yeah, but you'd have to watch all the people that you love and care about die.
Why would you want to do that, mom?
tim pool
Yeah, but that's not the issue.
The issue is after, you know, a good 30 years, you're like, I understand humans.
I don't think there's anything you know, I mean maybe maybe you'll watch I don't want to live forever Maybe you'll watch technology develop and then you'll get to the point where you can plug your brain to the matrix or something But I'm just like I would I would rather in the human experience is the human experience I don't understand what's a bad thing that people want a bad thing.
I mean, it's just well I don't understand why it's gonna be avoided.
libby emmons
I don't think I actually avoided either personally.
I look forward to being old But if there were the opportunity to live further, that would be cool.
I'd like to live to be like 150, something like that.
tim pool
Remember when Johnny Knoxville dressed up like an old man and just caused trouble?
It's because people are like, he's an old guy.
What are you going to do about it?
seamus coughlin
Are you saying that's going to be you as an old man?
libby emmons
Like Grandpa Simpson?
tim pool
Yeah.
Not Grandpa Simpson like Johnny Knoxville was doing.
Like he would walk and he would just like grab a bunch of groceries and just like walk away.
But they're like, he's just an old guy.
He's confused.
libby emmons
That is what Grandpa Simpson does.
He says that they let you shoplift.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
unidentified
Okay.
seamus coughlin
Well, there you go.
tim pool
Well, I wouldn't shoplift.
But you know, when you're old, it's just like, you just go and do it's like, it's like, you've got nothing left to lose.
The world's your oyster.
You know, go skydiving.
libby emmons
And you're like, when you're like 90.
tim pool
Yes!
elad eliahu
You could run for president while I go skydiving.
You could still be president.
I think Bernie Sanders is about to run again, too.
libby emmons
Do you think he's going to run?
elad eliahu
Yeah, I do.
tim pool
I think Donald Trump was probably thinking that.
libby emmons
Talking about kids and stuff, I look forward to the summer because I have to travel a lot for work and I'm looking forward to the summer because I'm going to take my son with me to all of the places that I have to go.
And I'm stoked!
It's going to be awesome.
elad eliahu
That sounds beautiful.
libby emmons
Right?
We're gonna like, I'm really hoping I can find good hotels with nice pools.
This is what I'm, this is what I'm hoping for for my summer.
tim pool
How did we get into immortality from bots on Twitter?
seamus coughlin
Well, because robots never die.
Yeah, those bots are gonna carry Joe Biden's wisdom into the future, Tim.
tim pool
The person running Joe Biden's account is actually a bot.
Elon doesn't audit.
libby emmons
Okay, that would not be surprising.
tim pool
The person standing at the podium is actually a bot.
libby emmons
If you look at the ridiculous things that his account tweets out, it's just so stupid.
tim pool
It would be really funny if just like one day when Joe was like stuttering, a guy walked up with like a screwdriver and like bopped him on the arm and then like jiggled him and then he was like, the economy has been in dire straits for some time.
It's like, percussive maintenance, I think they call it.
No, like he's malfunctioning.
Sparks are coming out.
libby emmons
Yeah, somehow Biden thinks Putin is running the country, and that's why everything's going to hell.
seamus coughlin
Well, I saw a conspiracy pyramid a while ago, Tim, and I believe it had Biden is a robot as one of the conspiracy theories.
tim pool
Did it really?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, actually, let me double check.
Let me double check.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
If Biden was a robot, that's like... Conspiracy theories are usually negative, right?
It's like a bad thing is happening.
If Biden was a robot, I'd be like, oh, that's pretty good, you know?
Because, like, right now, I'm actually worried.
libby emmons
It wouldn't be such a bad robot.
He's not a bad robot.
tim pool
I'm worried about Biden's capabilities to do the job, and if it turned out he's actually a robot, I'd be like, oh, okay, you know?
You know, Biden's in poor health, but the robot's all right.
libby emmons
I think we should be concerned about Biden's ability to run the country.
seamus coughlin
Oh, one million percent.
I mean, we should have been concerned during the primaries.
We were.
libby emmons
We were.
It's really terrifying to see someone who is as dotty and confused as this old man is actually try to lead the entire world, essentially, which is the job.
seamus coughlin
I mean, the fact that the Democratic Party even picked him, like they had other options.
They had other options.
libby emmons
They had.
seamus coughlin
They picked a man.
tim pool
I don't know why they don't.
Like, if the idea was that anyone could beat Trump, why not run Buttigieg?
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
They're just like, nah.
libby emmons
Well, we have him now anyway.
He's out there fixing potholes.
tim pool
What do you think about Elon?
He tweeted that he's officially running as a Republican.
I'm sorry.
seamus coughlin
He's a Voting, yeah, calm down!
We need a disinformation board right now.
Hold on, by the way, I have to say, so I pulled the conspiracy theory pyramid up again.
Yes, Biden as a robot is a conspiracy theory out there.
Not only that, but it is a theory that makes you a danger to yourself and others to believe.
tim pool
So Elon Musk tweeted, And he also then tweets, What do you guys think?
Does it matter?
Mostly the kindness party, but they have become the party of division and hate.
So I can no longer support them and will vote Republican.
Now watch their dirty tricks campaign against me unfold."
And he also then tweets, political attacks on me will escalate dramatically in coming
months.
What do you guys think?
Does it matter?
Is it something we all have experienced ourselves and know already?
libby emmons
I think one thing that it shows is how far to the left the Republican Party has actually
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
libby emmons
It's substantially to the left of what it used to be.
And you can tell because people like Elon Musk are going to vote Republican after a lifetime of voting Democrat.
I'm essentially a conservative because the Democrats have gone so far to the left and I stayed right here and the Republicans came over and I was like, oh hey fellas.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
No, it's true, and I hear so many people say that.
The only time I've ever heard someone say something along the lines of, I'm on the left just because the Republican Party's gone so far right, is when they're on corporate media, and they're some rhino.
tim pool
Right.
seamus coughlin
It's like, oh, no one in real life says that, ever.
tim pool
It's not true.
It's like some 60-year-old millionaire warmonger who's like, I don't know.
I don't recognize my party anymore.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
The Democrats want to blow up kids in the Middle East, so I'm going to vote for them.
It's like, OK, that's why I won't.
libby emmons
That's why I won't.
Yeah, exactly.
It's the same.
elad eliahu
I'm super conflicted on Elon Musk continuing to, like, evolve and put his hands more into politics because he's going to be another billionaire, potentially funding candidates in the future.
He might be another Peter Thiel type figure in the future.
So it'll be interesting to see how he changes and develops.
libby emmons
But I am highly I wonder why he would fund any politicians.
Do we really think he has to?
elad eliahu
Well, because he's trying to get involved in politics one way or another.
But he can't be president, right?
tim pool
No, he can't.
libby emmons
Because he was born in South Africa.
elad eliahu
But it wouldn't be worth it for him to run.
He could just have his paws on different elections by funding people.
But what I was trying to get to in a full circle kind of way is that he still has deep connections to China.
He still has Tesla factories in China.
And he will still be at the whim of this government, the Chinese government.
The Communist Chinese government, that is.
If he does want to do any business there in the future, he needs to make sure he doesn't step on any toes.
I know we kind of overlooked that because Musk has become this sort of anti-left figure.
tim pool
No, we don't know that.
We talk about it all the time.
elad eliahu
That what?
tim pool
That Elon Musk has praised China on more than one occasion.
That he's got factories in China.
elad eliahu
Sure, but he's kind of become a hero in some online anti-left circles because he is a big voice willing to come out against these people.
And it seems as though all you have to do nowadays to get a lot of fans on Twitter is say the obvious that men can't become women or something like that.
So it's just, I think people ought to be cautious who they end up supporting being reactionaries against others.
libby emmons
But if you think about saying men can't become women on Twitter a month ago, that would have gotten you banned from the platform.
tim pool
Maybe, maybe.
Twitter's bans are, it's a caste system.
The more followers you have, the more you can say.
So I said, I tweeted, what did I tweet?
Don't cut off teenage girls' tits.
And someone reported me, and I got an email from Twitter, and it was like, you've been reported under German law or whatever, and we found no violation.
Whenever I tweet stuff like this, people are like, oh, Tim's gonna get banned now, and I'm like, are you kidding, dude?
I got a million followers, they're not gonna ban me.
libby emmons
Well, the Babylon Bee got banned for saying that Rachel Levine, who's obviously a man, is a man.
tim pool
That's because Twitter's policy is if you target an individual.
libby emmons
Oh, I see.
tim pool
Yeah, so if you say a generality, then they give you more leeway.
If you have a small account, like 100 followers, and you say, you know, men and women are different or something, they'll ban you.
If you have a big account, like the Babylon Beans said, men are different, they'd leave you alone, but they said Rachel Levine specifically.
elad eliahu
Is it too cliche to say that double mastectomies are modern day lobotomies, almost, in a way?
libby emmons
Well, they don't, they don't remove your brain.
elad eliahu
They don't remove the same thing, but just as we look at back on lobotomies now, sort of medical malpractice is how in the future we would look back on these sort of surgeries.
libby emmons
It's certainly an anti-mother operation.
elad eliahu
I think it's like a butchering.
It's like the next stage of plastic surgery and kind of a butchering of a body.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't want to, I don't want to, I don't want to deviate too far from what we were talking about because we are going to talk about this in just a second.
seamus coughlin
Sure.
tim pool
So, you know, talking about Elon and Twitter.
seamus coughlin
Sure Wolf, around the top of Elon, I just want to respond to what you said.
I totally agree.
I've said this in the past.
I'm cautiously optimistic about Elon.
I'm not totally sold, and it's absolutely true.
All someone has to say is, I'm not completely all the way on the far left with respect to one single issue, or I think the left has gone too far here, and all of a sudden the right wing is all over that person.
elad eliahu
Yeah, and there's also a lot of parallels between Elon Musk and somebody who's commonly demonized, Bill Gates.
I mean, these are both people who had their come-ups in the tech industry.
And some of the stuff Elon Musk says is crazier than what Bill Gates says.
Elon Musk is the chip planter.
seamus coughlin
Elon Musk and Bill Gates, Romeo and Juliet.
elad eliahu
And they're both billionaires.
They're both, you know, the richest people that existed during their time period, during the top.
But Bill Gates gets demonized like no other, and Elon Musk becomes a hero of the same people.
The same people who will complain about Bill Gates being some demonic, you know, cabal man will praise Elon Musk for the simplest things on Twitter.
seamus coughlin
Sure, but I want to mention one thing about that.
libby emmons
That's the Broadway show, though, if I may.
That's the Broadway show.
Nina Jankowicz plays Elon Musk as Juliet, and James O'Keefe plays Bill Gates as Romeo.
So that's the show.
seamus coughlin
To your point, I hear in, but so the reason I consider myself cautiously optimistic about Elon Musk, but I don't like Bill Gates comes down to really one really important issue.
It's that Bill Gates has repeatedly said things like there are too many people in this world.
He's discussed population control, whereas Elon Musk is basically the only ultra wealthy person saying we need more people.
elad eliahu
And that's why the overpopulation narrative is a myth.
seamus coughlin
No, I'm not a fan of the brain chips.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm not a fan of the brain chips.
But I think it's gotten to the point where there are so few elites saying anything even remotely sane that when one of them does, it's a victory.
libby emmons
And doesn't he have a bunch of kids?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
elad eliahu
I know Bill Gates also has a history with his father supporting Margaret Thatcher or Sanger in the past.
seamus coughlin
That wouldn't shock me.
elad eliahu
With connections with Planned Parenthood.
But I still think, you know, if you want to extrapolate what Elon Musk says with the brain chips, it's just as bad as anything I think Bill Gates has said.
In particular, so it's just I think it's an interesting thing how I Think he said about neural link.
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah, so neural link is I mean, it's a pretty fascinating tool and if it's used properly I think it would really help people who are disabled Okay, fascinating.
tim pool
Right, right.
So one of the things it can help do is people who have spinal injuries, it can help connect their brain to other parts of the body.
elad eliahu
And Bill Gates is trying to cure different diseases in Africa with vaccines.
tim pool
Sure, sure, sure.
So that's why this is a moot point.
My question is, what is Elon Musk, is he going to force the chip into people's brains?
Well, offering up a service that you don't like and don't think is creepy is bad.
We can criticize it, people who do bad things.
But the question here is around freedom.
Bill Gates has called for rescinding freedoms.
Saying, how is Elon going to stop misinformation?
You can't do this!
He said, we need less people.
Bill Gates said that.
And Elon Musk has said, we actually need more people to sustain the planet.
And people should have freedom of speech.
Now, the things they work on, we can criticize.
But when we're specifically talking about Elon and things we like, it's for the things we like.
And when we criticize him, it's for the things we don't like.
And the end result, I believe, is Supporting freedom of speech and defending the rights of humans, or saying people are good and we need more of them, will probably create a better outcome in the long run, no matter what he works on in terms of Neuralink.
Bill Gates saying the opposite is darkness, that will lead us on a very dark path of death and suffering.
libby emmons
Yeah, I actually totally agree with that.
And I do, I do like this idea that we need more people because we need people to support the people that already exist and we need to create more resources.
And human beings are the best resource the planet has.
tim pool
I don't completely agree that, you know, we've talked about overpopulation and there are a lot of people who say, actually, let me try and find Google Earth.
There are a lot of people who say that we're not overpopulated.
That's an opinion I think you guys have, right?
Have you ever looked at a map of the United States?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
Have you ever actually looked down at the level of development in North America?
elad eliahu
It's only really popping on the coasts.
tim pool
No, no, no, the entirety, everything.
When you look at, pull up, we've got Google Earth here.
seamus coughlin
When you say development, I mean like when you see pictures of at night, you see where the lights are.
tim pool
Humans altering terrain, doesn't matter where the lights are.
Grab Illinois for instance, and when you zoom in, basically the entirety of the state has been developed.
There's some pockets of trees in some state parks, but you can just go straight through the state in any direction, and every little square is human development.
libby emmons
Why is that bad?
tim pool
So I'm not saying that's bad, but I'm certainly saying when the entirety of Illinois or other states are completely developed, overpopulation is something that I think we should discuss or entertain.
libby emmons
Well, shouldn't we then people maybe should move to other places?
tim pool
It's not about moving.
They don't live there.
We've taken the land and we've cut it and developed it to produce a certain thing.
So perhaps we can say maybe we're not overpopulated, but we're overproducing.
We are utilizing massive swaths of millions of acres or whatever to produce all this food and all these resources that we're consuming like crazy.
Maybe if humans consumed less, we might not have to worry about overdevelopment.
We're shipping in fertilizer from Europe.
Norman Borlaug has increased crop yield, but nutrient density has diminished substantially.
So I think, as much as I respect Elon Musk saying things like more people is better than less people, because when you say less people, really bad things happen.
I think we should try and make sure we're having a legitimate conversation.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can point to a few things that I think at least would need to be questioned, like the bug population collapses, the dead zones in the ocean, fishery collapse, and mass pollution.
Maybe it's not overpopulation.
You know, we talked with Michael Malz about this.
It may be overpollution or overdevelopment or something.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
So I think you hit the nail on the head with that last statement.
My issue with the idea of this being an overpopulation issue, framing the narrative that way, is that you are, with that framing, indicating what the solution has to be in your mind, so it's circular.
If you say we have an overpopulation problem, then what you're effectively saying is the solution is for there to be less people.
tim pool
Right.
seamus coughlin
But if you point out the way you did, that there are issues such as, you know, insect populations declining, if that's the case, or pollution, then we ask the question, how can we deal with these problems?
And there's no reason to believe the solution is to get rid of people or have less people.
tim pool
I agree with that 100%.
I think the solution is actually better agricultural technology and development.
I believe it is culture.
I think the United States has cultural problems.
I think we all agree with that.
I think we have a culture of gluttony instead of responsibility.
Amen.
libby emmons
That is a problem.
tim pool
Absolutely.
So you have people who are morbidly obese, and instead of being like, maybe I should consume less, they're like, this is fine, actually.
Let's get on the cover of a magazine and tell everyone else to live this way, too.
libby emmons
I think we have a parenting problem as well because I think that parents don't teach their children to be responsible either for themselves or for others and I think that that is a key thing to do.
Like children, you know, stop worrying about what college your kids are going to go to or what career they're going to have and instead teach your kids to grow up to be kind, responsible people who can take care of themselves and the people that they love.
seamus coughlin
And who also want to.
I think that's what's so insidious.
libby emmons
And find joy in it.
Find joy in it.
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, I saw a post not long ago, and you see a lot of this from people saying things like, you know, so much of our life is dedicated to work.
And I do believe that at some point people can be overworked 100%, and that's a problem.
They were saying things along the lines of, you know, the only thing meaningful about my life is when I'm off work.
And I think a lot of that is, firstly, an issue with the kinds of jobs people have now.
There's a good argument to be made for that.
But also that no one finds any value in the service of others, and people don't take any pride in doing things that make other people's lives easier.
libby emmons
But the other thing too is that we have completely diminished the value of just doing work.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
Right?
I mean, if there's a job worth doing, and this is cliche, but there's a reason it's cliche, if there's a job worth doing, it's worth doing as well as you possibly can.
You know, there was recently, I forget what it was, but sometimes there'll be like an article at work and I'm going to be writing it.
tim pool
at Postmillennial and sometimes I think like you know I don't really feel like writing this and then I think okay if you don't feel like writing it clearly you're missing something clearly you're missing some aspect of this story go figure it out do some research investigate it find out the interesting part of it and then write it and whenever that happens oddly those end up being my best pieces the ones where I'm not sure at first and I'm just kind of like and then I dig into it and I'm like oh that's actually fascinating and now I have a great piece We were talking about transitions a moment ago, so I wanted to hold off because we have a story here, actually.
This is a tweet from Colin Wright, good friend of the show, and it's actually just a repost of an Instagram post from a female amateur skateboarder.
He says, Female skateboarder Taylor Silverman is speaking out after placing second to a male competitor who identifies as a woman at the Red Bull Cornerstone contest.
Silverman and other female skateboarders were robbed of their achievements and prize money that was meant for women.
In the post made on Instagram, Taylor Silverman said, My name is Taylor Silverman.
I am a female athlete.
I have been skateboarding for 11 years and competing for several years.
I have been in three different contests with trans women, two of which I placed second and the last contest series I did for Red Bull, I placed second.
The trans competitor who won took $1,000 in the qualifiers, $3,000 in finals, and $1,000 in best trick.
This totaled $5,000.
$3,000 in finals and $1,000 in best trick. This totaled $5,000.
Of the prize money meant for female athletes.
I took $1,000 in qualifiers in 1750 for second place, so $2,750 in total. The girl who took third received $750. The
girl who deserved a thousand for best trick took nothing along with whoever would have placed third. I deserved to
place first, be acknowledged for my win, and get paid.
I reached out to Red Bull and was ignored. I am sick of being bullied into silence.
In the next post, Taylor Silverman posted the email sent to Red Bull, saying, If not, hopefully you can put me in contact with the correct person.
to express my concerns about what occurred at the Red Bull Cornerstone contest
with the transgender competitor in the women's division.
Perhaps that is you.
If not, hopefully you can put me in contact with the correct person.
A biological man with a clear advantage won the women's division,
best trick, and also multiple qualifiers.
This took away the opportunity that was meant for women to place and earn money.
What happened was unfair, and at the time, I was too uncomfortable to speak up.
I understand that in today's society even some women think this is acceptable, but I believe in doing the right thing, even if it's not the popular thing.
I now realize it's really important for me to speak up, and I'd like to schedule a time to talk.
So I have announced that, uh, I got my math wrong, but, um, I have announced, I said Tim Cass will gladly cover the difference and grant Taylor Silverman the $2,250 difference lost to placing behind a male athlete.
We will also be willing to cover the total lost revenue for the female athletes who would have placed higher were it not for the male athlete.
Now, she didn't lose $2,250.
She lost $1,250 because she didn't win best trick.
Someone else, I guess you said, would have.
And so some people have asked me, they said, you know, Tim, you said that the NCAA women, you know, it's too bad for them or whatever.
I was like, no, no, no, hold on.
libby emmons
What I said was... You mean the swimming?
tim pool
The swimming.
I said, they are not complaining about it.
How can I speak up for them if they're not speaking out for themselves?
Taylor Silverman spoke up for herself, said, I don't believe this is fair, and I believe that's deserving of support.
And also, totally biased.
I've been skateboarding my whole life.
I had worked with the organization briefly, mind you, that actually got equal pay for women at the X Games.
We've talked about it quite a bit.
When I saw this, knowing what I know from skateboarding for 23 years, knowing about the physical elements, knowing about the physics, Taylor Silverman is absolutely correct, and let me make this point before we get into the bigger picture.
Some people have said, in response to me, we had our good friend the Amazing Atheist said women should compete in the women's division.
I responded to Colin Wright saying that men, males, have a higher center of gravity.
What this means is that from a standing position, a man can ollie higher, a male can ollie higher than a female.
Females carry the center of gravity lower, which is better for balance in a lot of ways, but means their ollie height, their jump height, will be lower.
There are very clear differences and advantages that males will have regardless of hormone replacement therapy.
Skateboarding is not a muscle-based sport where it's like the stronger you are, the better you can be.
There's aggression, there's grit, like your willingness to take risks, and it's very much control.
If you have a higher center of gravity, you're going to be able to clear higher obstacles.
Women also have what's called a more pronounced Q angle.
That's the quadricep angle.
Meaning, because of the wide hips, the femur and the quadriceps come at a harsher angle than a male would, regardless of hormone replacement therapy.
This means that biological females competing at any stage are gonna be more prone to leg injuries, knee injuries, ankle injuries.
A clear advantage for male athletes, regardless of if they're transitioning or not.
So this one, to me, I think needs, you know, I'm biased, obviously.
But also, the story's gone viral.
Everybody's talking about it.
I think it's important to talk about, and I think it's important that people like Taylor Silverman are speaking out and saying, you know, I think this is not fair.
Now, the crazy element is her post on Instagram has something like, last I checked, 11,000 comments.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's huge.
tim pool
The anti-Semitism, because Taylor Silverman's Jewish.
Crazy, crazy.
libby emmons
And she has a Star of David in her.
tim pool
Right, and these are the leftists who hate Israel, who believe in these weird conspiracy theories, like the Farrakhan stuff, and are now going after her and attacking her for being Jewish, simply because she said this is money that was meant for female athletes.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, look, the left doesn't care about these things that they claim to when they talk about, like, racism, sexism, homophobia.
In fact, despite their vitriol, they don't even really care about the transgender issue.
They just try to use these labels to accuse anyone they think it would be useful to get out of the public discussion.
And when it comes to their attacks on other people, they're almost always willing to resort to these labels, but it's never talked about, right?
So it's an instance of...
I think they also wanted to figure out how to make sure that white men could be qualified as diversity hires.
about ethnicity like slurs and then saying we are only going to prosecute
one group of people for doing this so people left can get away with it like
libby emmons
crazy. I think they also wanted to figure out how to make sure that white men
elad eliahu
could be qualified as diversity hires. I think stories like these are the
biggest threat to so-called trans rights because at this point when you get
into the sports and physically comparing the two it's unavoidable so I know for a
A lot of people, they think, live and let live.
If somebody's above 18, let them go through the process.
If they want to get these plastic surgeries to make them look like the opposite sex, fine.
It's not hurting anybody.
But then once you get down to something like a competition where the differences are obvious, we're going to be seeing more and more cases like this.
Like Leah Thomas, for example.
libby emmons
Yeah, and women's rights activists know about this.
Women's rights activists can clearly see Um, that showing the unfairness of men competing against women in women's sports could be the turning point needed.
tim pool
I want to give a shout out real quick to Taylor Silverman.
You can follow her on Instagram, TaylorMaySilverman.
And on Twitter, I believe her Twitter is TMSilverman.
But specifically because she posted on Instagram this.
Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth.
elad eliahu
Many people in her position didn't stand, like for the Lee Thomas, there was no woman who actually stood up so he could commend her.
Only the one who lost.
tim pool
Yeah, after she, yeah.
So this is another interesting thing.
Taylor spoke up, I believe it's been a few months since the event.
And I actually talked to her, we're maybe working something out, some kind of, you know, we'll do an interview or maybe.
But it's been a few months actually since the contest and I looked at her record.
She's somebody who actually won.
Actually got cash.
She got second place.
You know, she qualifies.
She's winning.
When it came to the NCAA swim meet, the only person who spoke up was the one who got bumped.
elad eliahu
Like in 8th place or whatever it was?
tim pool
Yeah, it was like, what was it?
17th or something?
16th place or something?
seamus coughlin
By the way, I made a decision.
libby emmons
And it wasn't even her.
It was actually her teammate who spoke up on her behalf.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
seamus coughlin
I am going to start calling all of the people who want men dressed as women to compete in women's sports, men's rights activists.
libby emmons
They are men's rights activists.
seamus coughlin
If you say that a trans woman should be able to compete in women's sports, you are an MRA.
libby emmons
And you will be adopting the language of radical feminists when you do it.
And bravo, bravo, bravo, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Look, when women talk, I listen.
tim pool
Didn't we talk to Vosh about that?
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we talked about men's rights activism.
I said, I said, I said, I don't, I don't care for using the word men or women.
I'll just say male.
So when I, when I tweeted this, we had, uh, uh, was T.J.
Kirk is his name, right?
The Amazing Atheist?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, T.J.
Kirk.
tim pool
He said, uh, women should compete in the women's division.
And then I, it's, it's, it's absurd to me that you're having a semantic argument.
For what reason did we create women's division sports?
Was it because sometimes people wear dresses?
No, it's because there are biological differences to a great degree, 90% of the time, to a great degree, between males and females.
And the colloquial understanding in human society was that man and woman meant male and female.
In fact, to most people today, it still does.
So when someone says, a trans woman is a woman, therefore should compete in the women's division, it's like, We didn't create the women's division based on the clothing you wear.
seamus coughlin
No.
We didn't create the women's division based on how you felt that day.
Like, oh, today I've decided I'm- I mean, what if someone's genderfluid?
And I'm serious.
That's not just like a dunk on the lips.
What if someone is genderfluid?
On the day they feel like a woman, do they compete in the women's division?
libby emmons
The answer would be yes.
seamus coughlin
There is actually a CEO in the UK who... Makes 70 cents less per dollar when they identify as a woman that day?
No, no.
libby emmons
In fact, I believe it's a CEO who is gender fluid and some days wears pencil skirts and some days wears trousers and was honored as like, you know, best woman CEO or something like that.
So playing both sides for the day when he was in the pencil skirt one of the
tim pool
difficulties for anyone to speak up is that they're speaking out against people they know and that's a big
component that I think a lot of People should understand so I know many pro skateboarders
For years. I have been told by many pro skateboarders. They're upset with what's happening
They're upset with politics.
Many secretly support Trump.
And they all say, but I cannot risk my livelihood to speak out.
And so, exactly.
Don't come to me.
But I will say, I wanted to add something to this.
Uh, there is an issue at play here, and it is a pro skateboarder that I have met and skated with on a couple occasions, who's friends with people I know, named Leo Baker.
Uh, Leo Baker is a non-binary, I believe.
Formerly, I believe, trans man, and before that was a top female athlete named Lacey Baker.
And I mean no disrespect, but I have questions.
And that question is, when Leo was competing as a female in the women's division as Lacey Baker and winning, Lacey transitions into Leo, says that they're trans, but continues to compete against women.
So my problem is, who is coming out and saying that Taylor Silverman is wrong, When she says this, why is it that a biological male can say that they now identify as a woman and compete against women, but a biological female can say I am now trans but still compete against women?
libby emmons
It's because everyone knows that it's fake.
Everyone is aware of the lie and we're supposed to just Deal with the fact that we know it's a lie and say something that is untrue, which is exactly what happens, which is literally what happens in the book.
1984 is that you're supposed to know that, you know, you, you believe you believe the truth and you speak the lie.
And that is the most dangerous aspect of this.
tim pool
What I want to add to, sorry, just because, um, when I saw this story, I saw Colin Wright's tweet that Taylor spoke out.
Look, Taylor is not somebody who is a prominent pro skateboarder with millions of followers who can risk speaking out and be rich.
These pro skateboarders who tell me they can't speak out, I'm like, you own how many houses?
You have how many followers?
You'd lose half of them, you'd still be rich.
Or at the very least, you'd be middle class.
libby emmons
Well, J.K.
Rowling speaks out.
She's spoken.
She's said that she has lost opportunities.
She keeps speaking out.
She keeps, you know, being active for women's rights and I have the utmost respect for that.
I have the utmost respect for Ms.
Silverman here and I hope that, you know, I hope that you guys work out a great situation and that she's able to be, you know, continue being successful in her chosen path.
We all know that it's unreasonable.
When we saw Leah Thomas swimming in the pool against women, we could all see that it was completely a total lie that this person should be competing against these much shorter, much smaller, much less strong women.
And we were just supposed to go along with it anyway.
And people did.
And it's shocking to see that.
And I think that the more this happens and the more we see women athletes start to speak out, The more, hopefully, the tide will shift on this.
And, you know, Beth Stelzer, who does Save Women Sports, who's a really fascinating person, who saw this happen in weightlifting, you know, she's been fierce in fighting on this.
elad eliahu
I think the key thing you said there is women, and it needs to come from women.
And that's why I think Taylor May is so commendable here.
It's great.
Because if it doesn't come from women, I mean, men could bark about this all they want, but it's women who are the victims and are missing the opportunities because of this.
So they, unfortunately, in our society, need to be the most vocal about it, because people don't like Latino men.
tim pool
So I'll address one.
We had a super chat, and they're saying that I complained that the swimmers didn't speak up until after they had lost.
So let's break this down.
First, is Tim biased?
Yes, obviously.
I'm a skateboarder.
I've been skateboarding for 23 years.
So, of course, I see this story, and I'm like, oh, harumph!
You know, how dare they?
But there is a difference.
With the NCAA, they had been consistently competing.
They knew it was happening.
They knew it was going to happen.
They had swam more than one time.
There were multiple races.
My understanding of this story, having dug into it and spoken with some people involved, when you go to a skateboarding contest, you don't know who you're competing against.
They say, hey, there's going to be a contest in this place at this time.
You go to a local qualifier, then you show up and all of a sudden you see who you're competing against.
My understanding is that this is not an instance that's exactly the same, where this person knew, I'm going to fly to this place and compete in this contest against a trans person.
It was, they showed up and said, Oh, really?
Now, fair criticism.
It did take Taylor a few months to speak out.
And I think, you know, you need to speak out sooner than that.
But that's fine.
I mean, look, man, I can be angry and critical.
And I think the fact that she was second place, won cash, could have walked away with the cash, not as much cash as she wanted, but instead she's like, no, no, no, no, I've got to say something about this.
Because the woman who got bumped out of the bracket isn't speaking up.
Like with the NCAA, the woman who got bumped from the bracket was the one who spoke out.
And I said, you're only speaking out because you lost the money?
Well, in this instance, the person who got bumped didn't speak out, and the person who did get the money is the one speaking out.
And I'm like, okay.
But either way, either way.
libby emmons
Um, I gotta say, I love that they, uh, I love that they came for your sport and you were just like, no, that's it.
seamus coughlin
I love it.
I love it for swimming.
And I said nothing because I do not swim.
tim pool
I think there's a fair element there.
Absolutely.
I think.
libby emmons
I think that's great.
I think that's great.
You know, when you see it happen in your own stuff, I think it really makes a big difference.
I saw this happen in theater when suddenly grants that were, because you know there were grants like women's plays, only women should submit plays for this and you know proposals and whatever.
And then the granting opportunities and the opportunities that had been specifically for women were suddenly for women or self-identified women.
And I was like, what's this about?
This is not reasonable.
You know, this is not for playwrights who are men in dresses.
This is supposed to be for women playwrights.
And everything changed.
Everything changed very quickly.
And that's why, you know, that's in part why I started speaking out about this, because I found that so infuriating and stupid.
seamus coughlin
It is infuriating, and it's not as if anyone could change the definition of woman.
Men and women are different.
But I do find it comical that women were never asked.
libby emmons
No, because only men get tested.
seamus coughlin
They were literally never asked.
Dude started wearing dresses and said, yeah, we're women!
Do you have opinions about that?
Yes.
No, you're not allowed to.
You're not allowed.
libby emmons
Imagine a situation.
tim pool
There was no vote.
There was no policy.
There was no committee.
libby emmons
Imagine a situation where a six-foot-tall man in a dress with heels looks down at you and says, I'm a woman.
seamus coughlin
I'm a woman.
Are you going to say otherwise?
You're like, yeah, no, you're a woman.
libby emmons
Oh, sure.
Okay.
Don't hurt me, Mr. Crazy Man.
tim pool
We try to be respectful to people who are, you know, we try to be respectful.
As I mentioned often, even Ben Shapiro said he would use preferred pronouns in a public setting because it's just easier, though he doesn't agree with it, and wouldn't use it in an academic or journalistic setting.
We are the tolerant.
We say, I may not like it, but, you know, I'm in my own business, you know, you do your thing.
And that's how gay marriage comes to pass.
We're like, okay, look, you're gonna get your tax benefits, you can go into your home, you can do your thing.
And then, it's funny because there's that meme from 2000 and, was it 2008, 12 or something?
Yeah, it was like, what happens if gay marriage becomes legalized?
And it's like, World War III will happen, people will start teaching kids about gay sex, and it's like, And here we are.
Those things are happening.
libby emmons
That's what's going down.
tim pool
Let's jump to the story though from the AP.
U.S.
soccer equalizes pay in milestone with women and men.
They say the U.S.
Soccer Federation reached a milestone agreement to pay its men and women teams equally, making the American national governing body the first in the sport to promise both sexes matching money.
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
So this is why I think this is crazy.
libby emmons
Lydia.
tim pool
They have different pay structures.
They're different leagues.
It would be like, imagine if Burger King announced that they were going to be paying McDonald's employees the same rates.
elad eliahu
So my question is... Are they bringing the men up or the women down?
Or the reverse?
tim pool
They cut the men's salaries.
elad eliahu
Yeah, it's just like, yeah, all right, we're cutting funds.
libby emmons
But so, are they taking funds that were generated by the men's division and giving them to the women's division?
Because the women's division can't make enough to pay them what they pay the men.
tim pool
Yes, I think that's what it is.
So it says, U.S.
women and men's team agree historic deal to share World Cup prize money.
libby emmons
That is very insulting to the people who are generating that revenue.
tim pool
So I think the AP was wrong.
What the story is, at least from the Guardian, is that they're going to share each other's prize money with each other.
seamus coughlin
So are they saying that the women should be dependent upon men's money?
I find that interesting.
tim pool
So the men are going to be giving up... Are men providers?
libby emmons
I guess so.
tim pool
The men are going to give up large, you know, millions upon millions and the female athletes are going to give up hundreds of thousands.
libby emmons
So why would men play for the U.S.
unidentified
team?
libby emmons
Why wouldn't they just go play in Europe and make a lot of money and not play on the national team at all?
elad eliahu
The interesting part about this is that the men's team is actually trash relative to other men's soccer teams, and our female soccer team is one of the best in the world, but our men's is bad.
unidentified
But still, men's soccer generates more money.
elad eliahu
But it's number one, so if we're America first right now, then we should be rooting for our women's team.
libby emmons
Yeah, root for them, but they're still generating less money, so why should they get more?
elad eliahu
Yeah, we should support them too.
seamus coughlin
I did go to the parade when they won though in New York City.
libby emmons
and i don't know if you're happy and i think a lot like where is it
why don't you die in your hair purple just said that i can wrap it up to the
elad eliahu
actor is going on in new york city well there's a great yet when they won
seamus coughlin
the few years ago the people who want to support a pretty the people who want to
support the way it's really they can watch People can get invested in this without having to take from the men's team.
And it's funny because you mentioned the men's team is not that good.
I don't follow sports, but I've heard that.
But it's not as if anyone's saying, well, you know, we should be giving the trophies that the women win to the men's team because we just like men more.
What we're saying is if a group of people earn a certain amount of money, they should get that amount of money.
And if a group of people earns less than that, you don't redistribute it to make them feel better.
libby emmons
Well, it's a socialist soccer team.
seamus coughlin
Especially when they're making money playing sports.
They have a dream job.
They're an athlete.
tim pool
You do when you're a communist.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
It's a socialist soccer team.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah.
You know, it's funny, it's like... Which makes sense because it is a European sport, right?
No one's... South American.
tim pool
I love when the blue checkies journalists were like, the women actually win and the men don't, but the men are getting paid more money and it's like the men negotiate a different pay structure.
That was literally it.
seamus coughlin
Well, there's also different audiences.
tim pool
There were bonuses or guarantees and the women wanted guarantees and the men wanted bonuses or something.
So it's like the men got bonus money and made money and the women didn't or something.
But also, yeah, it's just like... Imagine someone working at McDonald's.
And they're like, this McDonald's makes a million dollars per month.
And then across the street is a Burger King that's only making like $500,000 per month.
So the Burger King employees get angry and go on strike and say it's not fair that McDonald's employees get paid more than us.
It's like, you're different businesses.
I get you both sell cheeseburgers, but you're different businesses.
So then they agree to share their salaries.
Like, okay, sure, I guess.
libby emmons
So yeah, that doesn't make any sense at all either.
tim pool
So do like, if the men win, they have to give money to the women or something?
seamus coughlin
I think they're going to be less incentivized to win.
You're not making as much money.
The men's team is going to do even worse.
libby emmons
Less incentivized to play on this team.
seamus coughlin
So wait, hold on.
Well, you said the men's team is really bad.
So does that mean the men aren't going to win and aren't going to make money?
And so the women's team isn't going to end up making this money from the men anyway?
unidentified
I think it's more people who just care.
tim pool
The people supporting the women here, they're men's rights activists.
They think men should be getting alimony.
seamus coughlin
What if we got trans women to fill the women's league instead?
libby emmons
But they would have to... I guess we could, right?
seamus coughlin
I'm sorry, are they trying to exclude trans women from their space?
libby emmons
So the issue that I had with the... Well, the question is, are there any trans women on the women's soccer team?
We don't even know that.
tim pool
And if there aren't, it's clearly bigotry.
libby emmons
Obviously.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, I mean, you know, the argument from the left on this is, again, you know, The Amazing Atheist tweeted at me that, you know, tall people are better at basketball.
We don't ban tall people.
And it's like, okay, so then for what reason don't we just like seek out only trans women
to play in the WNBA who are going to be taller or in women's soccer who are on average going
to be substantially taller and have more bone density and muscle mass.
The point I was bringing up with the skateboarding thing is that people like to mention strength.
You know, it's like in swimming, your strength matters.
Your strength and endurance matters.
And but it's a point.
It doesn't.
In skateboarding, it is control.
It is timing.
And the advantage of having a higher center of gravity, of having narrower hips, no matter
what you do or change, that's not going to have an impact.
I'm wondering if in these skate contests, I don't think they have any hormone requirement, like some sport leagues do, where it's like your testosterone has to be a certain level, because that wouldn't matter anyway.
In which case, my point is, Are we going to come to the point where if the argument is based on gender as a social construct and not sex, then someone who's literally a 6 foot 6, 250 pound muscular male could just be like, I'm a woman.
Like Zuby, right?
When Zuby did the deadlift and said he was a woman, why not?
libby emmons
That should be completely permissible.
tim pool
Under their ideology. Yes. Yes. In which case the women's I gotta say why how about for women's soccer?
We should get a bunch of males and I'm not saying this disparagingly or or or as a gotcha
unidentified
I think I think you're just being inclusive tim Well, no, no, but in all seriousness if the goal of the
tim pool
team is to win money the goal of the team is to win contests The we want the brand to succeed and the coaches want the
best team possible Then they should have open tryouts
And just bring on the best possible people that there are And if the team ends up being 90% trans women,
We'll just, we'll win more.
unidentified
Good.
Right?
elad eliahu
I'm curious as to when we're going to see an actual big backlash from women on this actual issue as it becomes more common.
Because there aren't that many trans women in these sports yet.
But as we continue to age, you know, the youth, I think it's something like 20 to 30% of the youth nowadays considers themselves some form of LGBTQ.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Here's an issue though.
There's a, there's a lot of problems with early medicalization for trans identified youth.
And this was sort of interesting.
Recently, a mom reached out to me and hipped me to a talk that was given by Dr. Marcy Bowers at Duke University, who is trans and has performed some 2,000 trans surgeries.
elad eliahu
A trans doctor performing the trans surgeries?
Right.
libby emmons
and has performed these surgeries on young people, has also prescribed the puberty blocking drugs, the Lupron, as well as the cross-sex hormones.
If a child goes on puberty blockers and then goes directly on to cross-sex hormones and does not go through natural puberty, they will never orgasm.
They will never have full sexual function.
tim pool
Or the emotional.
libby emmons
Or the emotional aspect.
Additionally, if you're a little boy and you go on a puberty blocker and then you start taking estrogen, you will never have enough genital material to be converted into the wound that is then referred to as the neovagina.
That will also not work.
Additionally, if you are a young person and you start taking cross-sex hormones, you're going to have substantial problems with bone density.
Blood coagulation.
Yeah, blood coagulation, all of these things.
So the odds that you're going to be able to play sports are remarkably small because you're just not going to have the physical capability to do that.
So if a young man doesn't go through natural puberty, he's not going to be able to play against Megan Rapinoe.
seamus coughlin
Anyone who does that to a child belongs in jail.
tim pool
I think that's happening in how many states now?
libby emmons
It's what is it, Florida?
I think Iowa, maybe Florida.
There was Iowa, Oklahoma, Texas.
I know there's a couple of states where it's illegal to do it.
tim pool
They'll take the kids from the parents.
libby emmons
Right.
And then they actually ended up investigating.
It was Ken Paxton's office and it was actually inspired by Libs of TikTok, which Libs of TikTok, I talked to her about it and she was like, that was amazing.
Like I actually helped, you know.
But what was interesting is the attorney general's office then found themselves investigating a parent who worked at Texas Social Services for medically transitioning their child.
elad eliahu
I think one of the great lies, one of the big lies among trans activists, obviously beyond that men can actually become women and women can actually become men, is that these puberty blockers have no consequences and that we have fully studied their unintended consequences.
We're right now giving puberty blockers that were supposed to be used to treat, I forgot what exact hormonal diseases, but we don't fully understand what these puberty blockers do when used in the case of gender dysphoria in children.
It's not completely reversible.
libby emmons
There haven't been studies.
elad eliahu
There haven't been studies.
libby emmons
And it's not completely reversible at all.
elad eliahu
It's not.
I mean to say there are consequences.
libby emmons
There's not any reason to believe that it's reversible.
There's like.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
But this is the argument made to allow.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Because also.
Yeah, because also, once a child goes on those puberty blockers, Lupron, right, which is supposed to address precocious puberty, and then you take the child off.
But in cases of healthy children, you go on it, they put you on it, and then you immediately transition to cross-sex hormones.
So you don't, and most kids who go on the puberty blockers do go on to take the cross-sex hormones because they're already believing it.
So, it's not a pause button.
It's an initiation.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
Yeah.
The thing is, you can't exactly tell when somebody is going on hormone blockers, so it's hard to visibly see how many people are doing it.
But what I do see, as somebody who's from New York City, Brooklyn specifically, one of the most trans parts of the city, is that double mastectomies are relatively common.
This isn't something that, like, you don't see or hear about from friends or friends or see people... You see it a bit.
Yeah, it's relatively common, and I think that too.
Convincing women that the right move or whatever you're dealing with, interpersonal women deal with a lot of issues mentally, going through puberty, etc.
But to convince them to get double mastectomies, to remove their breasts, again, I think is a form, is comparable to modern-day lobotomies.
seamus coughlin
And not just women, girls.
I mean, it happens to people who are underage.
It happens to girls.
libby emmons
If I may, just one thing.
They talk about how, you know, they tell kids if you're not comfortable in your own body then perhaps you're trans.
And I think it's important for people to realize that it's not really that normal to be comfortable in your own body.
Like, bodies are super uncomfortable.
elad eliahu
Especially during puberty.
libby emmons
Especially during puberty.
Puberty sucks for everybody like it feels weird and yucky to have your body change.
I know personally like I was 18 before I realized that I should wear a bra and it was my it was my college roommate who was like you really need to do this and I was like ew gross I don't really want to be involved in this.
Oh you guys are all embarrassed that's really cute.
seamus coughlin
I mean, I never realized to wear a bra.
libby emmons
They never told me to.
I was horrified by being a grown woman.
I was like, this is really uncomfortable.
tim pool
For a minute, it's called the bro.
You gotta wear it when you're like 50.
libby emmons
Right.
Isn't that, didn't Kramer do that on Seinfeld?
tim pool
No, it was George's dad.
libby emmons
That's right.
tim pool
No, he wanted the man-zeer.
libby emmons
The man-zeer.
But he had teamed up with Kramer.
tim pool
Kramer wanted the bro.
libby emmons
That's right.
tim pool
He's like, no!
And they were arguing about it.
The bro.
So, let's throw it back to eugenics in the early 1900s.
When we had Matt Bender on the show... I like that segue.
Well, it's because it's the idea that progressives aren't always right.
They think they are, they think they always win, but that's not true.
Seamus made a good point.
He said, every instance in US history where someone has tried to deny personhood to another group of people, they've always lost.
Something like that, right?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and no group of people who has ever made the distinction between human and person and said it's technically a human but not a person has ever been on the right side of history when we examine the situation later.
tim pool
So you look back at eugenics and we've done away with that.
It's like a bad idea.
Nobody likes that.
Yet the tenets of it still exist.
When we had Matt Bender on the show, he kept saying over and over again, if a baby was born with deformity of abnormality, you wouldn't be in favor of ending its life.
And I'm like, no.
And he was shocked by that.
And I'm like, I'm not into eugenics!
If a human being is born different, we want it to try and live.
unidentified
What an ableist view that is, that you should abort disabled children.
tim pool
Here's the issue.
Genetic diversity is important to the health of any species.
This is basic science.
It's observable.
If we start saying, these traits are undesirable, where does it end?
And I'm not gonna, oh, slippery slope.
No, no, quite literally, you have parents being like, oh, he's got a heart issue, perhaps, and they're gonna look at the DNA and they're gonna say, When he's in his 30s, he may experience this, so why don't you try again?
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
And then you're gonna move the needle more and more.
Until at what point are you arguing that it's just designer babies?
And at what point do you end up with a disease that primarily affects people with a specific gene, you know, or specific cell receptor?
And then all of a sudden it's like, we didn't realize that homogenizing the gene pool was gonna result in population collapse, but here we are.
So I'm just like, You don't do that.
seamus coughlin
Well, Tim, the left has actually disproven the slippery slope.
They showed us it's actually just a cliff.
I mean, you go right over instantly.
elad eliahu
We mentioned aborting for whatever disabilities.
I'm trying to look up the exact source because I remember this in the past, but what I'm reading right now from The Atlantic is that in Denmark, they actually do tests to see if the child does have Down syndrome.
According to what I'm reading, it says nearly all expecting mothers choose to take the test.
Of those who get a Down syndrome diagnosis, more than 95% choose to abort.
So this isn't just some fantasy tale scenario that we're talking about.
This is actually happening.
libby emmons
The thing too is you get to decide, right?
They have all of these, because I was older when I had my son.
I was like 35 when I was pregnant.
And there's all these tests that they can give you that give you like, if he's gonna have whatever,
there's something about Xs, I don't really know.
But there were a ton of them.
And they were like, oh, you need to take this and this and this.
And I was like, why?
And they were like, you know, because it'll tell you if your child has a deformity.
And I was like, I'm good.
Don't care.
I don't need any of that.
elad eliahu
I think there is an argument to be made about, I'm not saying abort children who have Down syndrome, but there is some version of a quality of life argument.
But I do think the argument starts to become, is where do you draw the line to where you abort a child?
I'm not saying it's okay or not okay for Down syndrome, but you know, if we keep moving the needle or the line, it's like, well, if your kid has diabetes, you know, do we potentially want to abort him because of that?
libby emmons
What if they're short?
elad eliahu
What if they're short?
libby emmons
What if they're going to have male pattern baldness?
elad eliahu
I hear two out of five men do.
Or like a Roman ad.
tim pool
It would be the end of so many great and very important people.
When all the parents would have to do is bestow a beanie upon them.
libby emmons
I gotta say, I like a beanie.
tim pool
Lydia pulled up the story where it talks about, what is this, Prader-Willi syndrome.
And it says, studies have found its positive results are incorrect more than 90% of the time.
libby emmons
Insanely high numbers.
Yes, I read about this.
I think we wrote about this a while back.
And it is absolutely insane because the genetic testing is not always correct.
lydia smith
You want to talk about the death penalty being wrong, what, 25% of the time?
I want to talk about this test and why people abort their babies.
libby emmons
I'm against all of it.
I'm against abortion.
I'm against the death penalty.
I'm against euthanasia.
I'm against all of it.
seamus coughlin
This is an important point.
When we're talking about the death penalty, there's an argument to be made, all right,
well, 75% of the time or whatever, that person's guilty, whether you agree with the death penalty
or not, if the number's 25%.
But whether a child has Down syndrome or not, they're innocent.
It's wrong to kill them.
So when people are horrified because they go, oh my gosh, all these children died who didn't even have the disease that I think it's okay to kill people with, they're getting it backwards.
You just should not kill unborn children.
libby emmons
Yes.
tim pool
When we were talking with Matt, he, it was just, man, it was kind of crazy.
When he was like, you said you would stand with those who wanted to ban abortion.
And I was like, I said, if my option was you who wants to legalize elective abortion at nine months or standing with the people who would ban it, I will stand with the people who will ban it.
unidentified
Because that reduces the amount of death.
libby emmons
Yes.
tim pool
But he didn't understand.
And he was like, you just want to ban abortion.
It's like...
libby emmons
No, I want less people to die.
That's what they tell themselves they have to say.
elad eliahu
Tim, it has to be, for a lot of the way some people view you, it has to be that black and white.
That's why you have to be right wing in that dude's eyes.
tim pool
But it was funny because it was like a progressive and a liberal arguing over abortion.
And the people who are watching who are conservative are like, these people are far left.
libby emmons
Everybody's insane.
tim pool
I know, right?
I'm like, I'm pro-choice.
And he was like, I asked him and he said that he thought the woman can choose to abort the baby at nine months.
And I'm like, that's not...
You just deliver it!
elad eliahu
The people in the middle always also get called the opposite of whatever side.
So, for example, like, if you're a 14-weeker, pro-lifers are calling you pro-choice, but pro-choicers are calling a 14-weeker relatively pro-life.
unidentified
Do they say that?
elad eliahu
Yeah, definitely.
unidentified
Right wing.
elad eliahu
A hundred percent, yeah.
If you're not up until nine months, then you're essentially pro-life.
tim pool
Look at the conversation we had with Matt.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, but I think pro-life and pro-choice is a dichotomy, right?
You're either in favor of legal abortion or you're against it.
I realize that there are some people who are in favor of it at different stages or against it at different stages, but ultimately it's a binary.
You're either okay with abortion or you're not.
tim pool
That's why at TimCast.com we say pro-abortion or anti-abortion.
Because pro-choice and pro-life are just stupid buzzwords.
It's rhetoric.
Matt says he's pro-choice, but not for men.
libby emmons
So it's like... What do you mean he's not pro-choice for men?
tim pool
Women have the right to make a financial decision to kill a baby, but a man doesn't have a right to choose to abandon the baby.
So if a woman is pregnant and she says, I can't afford this, she can terminate the pregnancy.
It's her body.
It's her choice.
The man could also be broke, but he can't say, I would like to be removed from financial responsibility and choose not to have a child.
libby emmons
So basically he's infantilizing women.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, of course.
libby emmons
I mean, that's typically what the left does.
They say that women aren't responsible for their choices.
You're not responsible for having sex with somebody if you had too much to drink.
That's on the man, even if the man had just as much to drink.
tim pool
Do you remember that poster?
libby emmons
Which one?
tim pool
There was a poster that went up at school that went viral several years ago where it was like, Have you both had too much to drink?
Well, you're raping her.
You're both drunk.
libby emmons
You're both trashed, bro.
tim pool
Especially, I think in Illinois.
libby emmons
But I think that's infantilizing.
tim pool
In Illinois, the statute is that rape is specifically male on female and women can't rape.
Like, I don't think there's no law for it.
libby emmons
I mean, I guess women can rape.
It's hard to imagine.
tim pool
No, it happens.
unidentified
It happens.
tim pool
I mean, there was the story of that guy in the store where the woman force-fed him Viagra or something.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
Yeah.
elad eliahu
I will say generally it is harder for a woman to rape a man, but it definitely does happen.
It's sexually assault from women.
tim pool
Guys, guys, guys, you are just, you're oversimplifying this.
A guy can be sexually attracted to a woman and have a girlfriend and be like, I can't do this.
And then she can still coerce him or force him.
She can lean in his ear and say, I'll accuse you of doing something.
I'll claim you hit me.
She can spike his drink.
There's a whole bunch of stuff.
libby emmons
There's also been, there's also been, I think, substantial number of cases where a female teacher has raped a male student.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
You know, like if a male student is 15, you don't have a ton of control over your whole situation, and your teacher is, you know, 28 or 30 or whatever.
tim pool
I think the revelation here is that... That has certainly happened.
libby emmons
I was just reading an article about that today.
tim pool
I think the real epiphany for all of us here is that women are obviously the real perpetrators the whole time!
unidentified
Wow.
libby emmons
Or perhaps equality means that everyone is responsible for their own decisions and the outcomes and consequences of those decisions.
Maybe I read too much Camille Paglia.
I don't know.
tim pool
When you talk to a progressive about abortion, they say, well, the man made his choice.
He could have chosen not to have sex.
And it's like, but not the woman, huh?
unidentified
I've heard someone say that before.
seamus coughlin
I once heard someone say that you can choose not to have sex in order to not get pregnant.
I've said this before.
At some point, left-wingers just end up making right-wing arguments, but in really inconsistent ways.
tim pool
That's what was confusing to me.
I was like, I don't understand what your position is.
Like, what are you opposed to?
What do you support?
And it's just, you get these, these empty buzzwords.
You know, it's her decision.
It's her choice.
No matter how many times me and Seamus were basically talking about the baby's body.
What if the baby's a girl?
Is it her choice?
Matt's answer was, it's the woman's choice.
And it's like, the baby is alive and being born.
It's the woman's choice.
Like, but he's like, it's her body.
It's like, but what about the baby's body?
It's like, it just right over the head.
Yeah.
There's no argument.
You can't argue with someone who doesn't understand what you're talking about.
libby emmons
Makes it hard, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Well, I thought, I think we did have a very productive conversation with Jamie yesterday, and one point he made.
And again, like, I mean, I very much enjoyed it.
And by the way, I'll say this, and we talked, we did it, we appreciated, you know, Matt coming on and being willing to have a conversation with us.
And, you know, I mentioned it was mostly with Tim.
There was a couple moments I felt a need to interject.
unidentified
I didn't want it to be two on one.
seamus coughlin
There were a few times where I was like, all right, I have to jump in here because this is like blatantly incorrect and I need to say something.
But what I really appreciated about Jamie is he clearly Disagreed with me on the pro-life issue, but I felt as if his questions were very much in good faith And he was sort of curious about the perspective and he said something which was We're not really gonna get anywhere with the dialogue if people like don't have faith that they can reason with the person They're talking to and they don't have some basic and empathy and understanding for the other position
How can you have a coherent political discussion with people who believe Jussie Smollett?
it doesn't mean it's a good position and I agree with it. I think it's completely abhorrent to
believe in abortion, but also at the same time, I think a lot of people believe in it because they
tim pool
just don't understand the issue that well. How can you have a coherent political discussion
with people who believe Jussie Smollett? You can't. Yeah, that makes it tough.
Like Taylor Lorenz can write every article in the world and people just like they stare at it with drool coming out of their mouths and it's like maybe this person can't understand arguments.
elad eliahu
It's so funny that you just mentioned Jesse Smollett, because I just pulled up a post-millennial article saying, flashback, Dr. Oz pushed Jesse Smollett, hate crime.
seamus coughlin
Is that true?
libby emmons
Yeah, that's exactly right.
seamus coughlin
Well, I mean, to be fair, we all pushed it.
We all came out the next day and released our public statements, didn't we?
elad eliahu
We'll see if Dr. Oz ends up coming on top of it.
libby emmons
Dr. Oz also was pro-trans, transing kids, and was pro-abortion prior to like 10 minutes ago.
tim pool
We couldn't get Sean Parnell?
elad eliahu
I don't think they called it yet, but I wanted to mention something about Dr. Oz.
I covered the Pennsylvania rally.
I was asking people is Dr. Oz America first?
Most people said no.
One person that I spoke to said Dr. Oz is the kind of guy who's supported by like Oprah Winfrey and like that's why he doesn't like him.
Wasn't Hannity like the Trump whisperer for Oz?
to him you know like Trump also supports him and Oprah originally supported Trump too like
I'm old enough to remember when Oprah Winfrey supported Trump's originally when Trump started
libby emmons
running.
Wasn't Hannity like the Trump whisperer for Oz?
It was so like it was so weird to so many people why Oz got that endorsement.
elad eliahu
It's interesting we're seeing like this celebratification.
I don't know if we're seeing it more.
I'm just paying more attention.
But it's there was Trump originally.
There's Dr. Oz.
There's also I forgot the superstar football player, college football player in Georgia who's running for Senate.
libby emmons
I don't remember.
elad eliahu
He has the gay son who's a conservative activist, too.
Walker, Walker!
Herschel Walker, yeah.
He's running for Senate, I believe, too, in Georgia.
So it's interesting that we're seeing this celebrification.
More celebrities throwing their hands in the races.
libby emmons
Although we saw that with Ronald Reagan.
He was a famous Hollywood actor.
tim pool
All right.
libby emmons
And you can't get more famous than JFK.
tim pool
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All right.
Gertius Maximus says, Project Veritas presents to catch a Redditor.
unidentified
That's actually hilarious.
seamus coughlin
Why don't you take a lean over there?
tim pool
El Guapo says, good to see Libby back on Timcast.
She is such a breath of fresh air.
She is so intelligent, well-spoken, and absolutely beautiful.
libby emmons
Oh my goodness.
Thank you.
elad eliahu
We agree.
I agree with that guy.
libby emmons
Aw, you guys.
tim pool
Rilo says, ending disinfo board is evidence they put the cart before the horse.
Government can only restrict government speech, so how the F could they run midterm Spygate scandals with a board tasked with stopping disinfo?
That is funny.
They had to shut it down because they realized their only ability was to caught their own lies.
They're like, wait a minute, it's going to stop us from lying.
seamus coughlin
They were like way too busy fact-checking Joe Biden.
tim pool
They fact-checked Joe Biden and then they're like, wait a minute, the only thing we're allowed to say is that Joe Biden lied?
lydia smith
Wait a second.
tim pool
Andrew Irvin says Post Millennial is reporting that 76 brand gas stations are preparing for $10 a gallon gas and that gas stations in the tri-cities are running out of gas.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's a Katie Davis Courts reporting.
tim pool
Yeah, I think we saw that the other day.
lydia smith
Yeah, we pulled it up and didn't get to it last night.
unidentified
Maybe we'll talk about it in the after show.
tim pool
Lunderwear says, do a Project Veritas skit like Mission Impossible.
Dossiers on Twitter that self-destruct in 3D printed masks for O'Keefe.
Oh, yeah.
Truehello says, so you think suspended is code word for slipping with a black budget program outside of the purview of public congressional hearings?
That was the joke.
That when they're like, we're suspending the program, and then all the journalists write it down and say, all right, and they leave.
They turn around and the general's like, your budget's being increased.
libby emmons
Well, the other thing too is there was supposed to be a hearing, a Senate hearing, and it was cancelled.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, the Disinformation Governance Board hearing was cancelled because of all of the disinformation surrounding the Disinformation Governance Board.
tim pool
Interesting.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Amber Byrd says, I can't ignore the timeline of the disinformation board shutting down as Bezos says Biden needs to be fact-checked by the disinformation board.
Yup.
libby emmons
Yeah, that was funny too.
tim pool
I think they realize what that meant.
I think that people, you've got a government agency, there's going to be lawsuits, and then they're going to be forced to be like, yeah, Joe Biden lied about this, lied about this, lied about this.
libby emmons
And so did Nina Jankowicz and so did Jen Psaki.
They all lied.
unidentified
I think it's funny that the department... About the same things over and over again.
tim pool
We joke that the Department of Defense is actually the Department of Offense.
libby emmons
Nice.
tim pool
But then with the disinformation board, it's like, why would we assume they're stopping disinformation?
You know, if you go to an ice cream shop, are you assuming the guy who's there is trying to stop people from getting ice cream or he's trying to give the ice cream out?
So what are they going to do?
libby emmons
Yeah, good point.
tim pool
Andrew Petra says, if you haven't watched the Army's new recruiting video for its psychological operations career field, you need to.
Really weird and creepy stuff.
Ooh, someone pulled that up.
seamus coughlin
Did it say you have to have two moms?
Yeah, that was the Navy, right?
tim pool
No, that was the Army.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that was the Army.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
And you had to be neurodivergent.
tim pool
So the Army had the ad about two moms.
And, you know, we all talk about it.
seamus coughlin
And Russia started shaking in their boots and so did China when they saw it.
tim pool
Some people told me that the army is very administrative, so that's what they were targeting, you know, people to work and file paperwork.
The ad for the Marines was a guy who was in a swamp with a rifle, like, you know, going through the trees or whatever.
All right, let's grab some more.
Seriously, JK says, last night's James O'Keefe undercover running gag was quite possibly the funniest string of jokes and ideas I've seen in a long time.
Thanks, guys.
And we're going to do it.
We came up with a really funny one afterwards that was Jamie being scared of getting canceled.
seamus coughlin
We can't spoil the whole thing.
tim pool
Shouldn't spoil it?
seamus coughlin
No, no, no.
If we're going to make it, they got to see it.
tim pool
Yeah, the ending was brilliant.
It was a really good one.
Yeah, all right.
I won't spoil it.
I won't spoil it.
lydia smith
Good stuff.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Thomas just says yeah to men crew.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Very cool.
Cole Kirkman says, I'm sorry, Kirk, Kirkham.
Tim, I just traveled from Houston to Altoona.
I'm a traveling tower climber.
I'm up here for work.
I'd love to meet up with someone about possibilities on joining the team.
I don't know what we have right now, especially for a tower climber.
Good sir.
Uh, we're, we're looking for, uh, for journalists.
That's so hard to find.
Writers specifically.
People who write.
Difficult.
Everybody's getting poached up and whatever.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's hard to find writers.
tim pool
All right, there are a lot of super chats directed at Libby.
They're saying that Libby is a good mother.
unidentified
Oh my god.
libby emmons
I knew I shouldn't have worn this dress.
tim pool
We'll just leave it there.
libby emmons
I even asked Lydia before we went on, I was like, I don't know about this dress, yo.
tim pool
They're all just saying you're a great mother.
lydia smith
Uh-huh.
libby emmons
That's very, very kind.
tim pool
J.H.
says, I'm late to the party on this one, but everyone needs to watch the creepy Lon and Prime video.
Very interesting documentary from 2018 on election manipulation via big tech.
Was it the Democrat one?
I don't know.
Remember the Democrats put together something?
They were like really concerned about voter manipulation through voting machines back in 2018.
lydia smith
Oh, that sounds right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, something like that.
lydia smith
That does sound right.
tim pool
Okay.
Smedley Butler the third says inflation is an increase of the currency supply devaluing the currency's purchasing power Which raises prices the one and only culprit behind this is a printing machine and its family owners.
Oh Man the chat is going off.
What is everyone saying?
saying they're just saying good mother Libby. There's a lot of super chats.
unidentified
Some of these Super Chats are inappropriate.
tim pool
Some of them aren't.
lydia smith
Come on, chat.
Get it together.
tim pool
You guys made Libby put on a shirt.
So we got some big superchats.
I'm not going to read that.
libby emmons
It's my own fault for buying a new dress and thinking I should wear it in public.
tim pool
Michael Tuff says, Seamus, please shame everyone in the chat.
lydia smith
Seamus, get on it.
For shame.
For shame.
tim pool
Here's one.
Stronger says, Libby is looking very pretty tonight.
Seamus is okay.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
I'm glad someone thought I looked nice.
elad eliahu
I like the purple shirt.
seamus coughlin
Thank you very much.
I need to do laundry.
tim pool
Matthew Reckham says, Kamala is an android that runs on a predictive text AI.
Change my mind.
I know, it's really funny.
Did you ever do one of those tweets where you just press the middle predictive text and then just put it out there?
You read that and you're like, that does sound like a Kamala speech.
libby emmons
Did you see her thing?
Her thing about working together?
tim pool
No, it wasn't.
libby emmons
Okay, I'm going to find it.
You can keep going.
seamus coughlin
By the way, I want to mention about Democrats.
There was a poll from The Economist.
It was a YouGov poll in The Economist.
that said, and this was in 2016, that around 50% of Democrats agreed that Russia tamper with vote
tallies in order to get Donald Trump elected president.
When you mentioned voting, yeah, when you mentioned hacked voting machines, I wanted to
bring that up.
tim pool
There was a one more time. 50.
seamus coughlin
So it's a YouGov poll that said about 50% of Democrats believed in 2016 that voting machines were actually hacked or that Russia tampered with tallies in order to get Trump elected.
tim pool
There was a story, I think it was Newsweek, that half of the population of the country believes the country is being run by a secret organization they don't know, like they don't know who it is.
Wow.
lydia smith
Not surprising.
tim pool
But I think the scarier thing is that half the people don't think that's true.
seamus coughlin
They should.
tim pool
No, because I think when you read that, your assumption is, they believe in the Illuminati, when in reality they're
like, oh, there's probably big pharmaceutical, big lobbyists who
are doing things we don't know about.
And that's actually the reasonable position.
seamus coughlin
But it's also what literally everyone argues, right?
Because the right will argue things about, like, there being a deep state or corporate America having too much control.
The left will argue similar things about corporate America, used to argue similar things about the deep state.
And they'll also say things like, well, this X, Y, and Z is a threat to our democracy.
The people aren't actually in control here.
So I don't know why that's considered like an insane conspiracy theory.
It's pretty mainstream to not think the government's, yeah, truly being run fairly.
tim pool
We got a good one here.
John Harrell says Blackrock Neurotech is making their own brain implant.
Maybe Musk is making his as an alternative to theirs.
Look up the Brain Initiative.
So when you have two billionaires, or a massive multinational corporation and a billionaire, both looking and saying, implant my thing into your brain!
I'm the good guy!
What you're supposed to do is ask the other one, ask the other one what the other would say, and then do the opposite.
Do you guys know the riddle about there's two brothers and one always lies away?
libby emmons
It's like the doors, right?
tim pool
Right, you ask the other one, and then do what the other one tells you to do.
libby emmons
But I have the Kamala thing, if you want to see it.
tim pool
Oh yeah, what is it?
libby emmons
How do I show it to them?
tim pool
Well, just read it.
libby emmons
She said we will work together and continue to work together to address these issues, to tackle these challenges, and to work together as we continue to work, operating from the new norms, rules, and agreements that we will convene to work together on.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh.
unidentified
What?
libby emmons
She said that.
tim pool
That's a predictive text AI.
unidentified
That's what she said.
tim pool
It's like when it gets stuck in a loop and it keeps giving you the same word over and over again.
That's happened to me before.
libby emmons
But she said it out loud.
I mean, is someone pressing predictive text in Kamala's brain?
seamus coughlin
No, you don't understand.
She's reading a teleprompter.
The person writing the teleprompter has a predictive text.
They're using T9.
libby emmons
I don't know what's going on with that.
There's like she actually she actually said that everything she says makes no sense at all and the fact like the only thing that is keeping people from trying to get Biden out of office is knowing that we would get her instead.
tim pool
You'll get like a productive predictive text loop where you'll write I went to the movies and what'll come up it'll say and and you'll hit it and then I went to the movies and then I went to the movies and then that's a Kamala Harris speech that's how she writes her speeches.
She's like Hi everybody!
So I went to my family's house, and then I went to the movies, and then I went to the movies, and then I went to the movies.
libby emmons
And at the movies, I watched the movies.
I watched a movie at the film screen.
seamus coughlin
There was a screen, there was a big screen, and there was a small chair.
And we sat in the small chair and watched the big screen.
That's right!
libby emmons
We didn't sit in the same chair.
We sat in separate chairs.
tim pool
Have you seen the family guy where Lois Griffin is doing the political debate?
unidentified
Oh my gosh, no.
tim pool
And they're like, how would you deal with the growing financial crisis?
And she goes, 9-11.
And they go, woo!
And then, you know, they ask her another question.
She goes, 9-11.
unidentified
And they're all screaming.
tim pool
So good.
Maybe she knows something we don't know.
Maybe.
Or what if?
libby emmons
Maybe she knows 9-11.
tim pool
What if it's like half the country has been taken over by robots, and the robots are speaking clearly to each other, and we are laughing at them, thinking we're so smart.
And they're taking over.
lydia smith
We're just not smart enough.
unidentified
What was that movie?
libby emmons
Put on the glasses.
Put on the glasses, man.
tim pool
They live.
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
They're all James O'Keefe.
tim pool
We have glasses.
seamus coughlin
Everyone is actually James O'Keefe.
Didn't someone chat that in last night?
tim pool
Yeah.
Doing a spoof where it's a guy, he puts his glasses on, then he can see all the James O'Keefe's everywhere.
lydia smith
They're everywhere.
tim pool
I just, I don't know if it's a good or bad thing that people are gonna, like, if every person at every tech company now thinks they could be getting hit by James O'Keefe, imagine the relationship problems they're gonna have.
There's gonna be an engineer at YouTube who meets, like, this amazing woman, and they're gonna have all the same interests, and he's gonna be like, It's James O'Keefe!
libby emmons
I can't do it!
tim pool
And she's gonna be like, I'm not!
I'm not!
And he's gonna be like, I don't believe you!
libby emmons
No, everyone should have background checks on every, for every, for every date that they have.
tim pool
But seriously, though, imagine that.
Like, imagine in real life a guy, you know, meets this beautiful woman organically and he just gets terrified and then he stops answering the phone.
And then she calls one day and she's like, you stopped answering the phone.
He's like, you're James O'Keefe!
And like, hangs up.
And she's like, that was weird.
libby emmons
Well, or maybe these people, when they go out on dates, should not be trying to impress their prospective mates with spilling their guts.
unidentified
I know it's our first date, but let me tell you about Corporate Malfeasance.
libby emmons
I mean, stop breaking your NDA just because you're trying to get laid.
Like, come on.
seamus coughlin
It's insane.
Also, but, like, the things they are spilling aren't even things that would impress a date.
Like, I only work four hours a quarter.
lydia smith
What?
seamus coughlin
You're telling her you're lazy?
Why would you say that on a first date?
elad eliahu
Some of the questions are a little bit obvious, too.
Like, when they keep probing, like, I think there was one person who she was like, yeah, what do you think of Project Veritas, by the way?
And this guy was just completely clueless.
seamus coughlin
She's like, can I get that in writing?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
seamus coughlin
I like the funniest part.
tim pool
When the guy said Veritas.
seamus coughlin
Yes, exactly.
The Project Veritas employee goes, he gives them info about, the person being set up gives them info about Project Veritas that's on their phone.
They're reading a corporate email.
And the Project Veritas reporter goes, Project Veritas?
I was like, how obvious?
How obvious are you gonna make it?
Like, this is a cartoon.
tim pool
It's like, remember when Homer tried getting Mr. Burns' mail?
unidentified
And he's like, hello, my name is Mr. Burns.
tim pool
Okay, Mr. Burns is your first name?
I don't know.
seamus coughlin
That's what it was like.
elad eliahu
I will say this about the Veritas videos, though.
They do leave me wanting a little... I know they heavily edit a lot of their dates, but I want to see the full dates with these guys.
Oh, the whole thing?
seamus coughlin
I want to see when they look into their eyes and say, I love you.
elad eliahu
I want to see the very pretty Project Veritas girl that they definitely hired with the creepy looking... Oh, but you can't show her.
Well, I'm assuming they can only do one gig.
libby emmons
No, because they have to do more than one gig.
elad eliahu
No, that'd be dangerous.
tim pool
They just don't release the footage.
elad eliahu
But then doesn't the guy know about the girl?
tim pool
The guy's looking at her face.
elad eliahu
Yeah, but he's going to try to reverse out her.
libby emmons
I bet the guy's not looking at her face.
tim pool
The girls will do multiple stings and then they release the footage.
elad eliahu
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
We got Bogdanoff says, Tim, what happened to your members only comment section on your website?
Why can't we comment anymore on your videos?
We will reveal more information in due time.
We have to do some infrastructure work for comments, so we've got an announcement coming.
I can't say too much, but when we switched over to Rumble, a lot of things had to change.
We've got to build stuff.
That's the easiest way to put it, but we're going to be implementing a bunch of infrastructure changes to avoid censorship, to become more resilient against censorship.
seamus coughlin
Wouldn't it be funny if you're like, I was just sick of what you guys had to say.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean... Yeah, I was tired of arguing!
tim pool
No, no, we want comments.
We're thinking of a bunch of ways we can do it, and we'll get it sorted.
Okay, Joseph says, I just put in an offer for a home on two acres in Minnesota for $200k.
The home was built in 1973, the deal is expensive and hard to find near jobs.
But, uh, you know, good going.
elad eliahu
Congratulations.
libby emmons
That sounds really cool, yeah.
tim pool
Get some chickens.
libby emmons
Nice.
unidentified
Goats, yeah.
tim pool
Chickens and goats.
And they'll hang out together.
And sometimes it's funny, the chicken will ride the goat.
libby emmons
No way, really?
That happens?
Do you have goats?
tim pool
We don't, no.
libby emmons
Wait a minute.
What's the channel?
What are you gonna... What's gonna be the project with the goats riding chickens?
Are we gonna get to see that?
tim pool
Well, it'll probably just be Chicken City.
libby emmons
Chicken City with goats.
Oh, that's cool.
seamus coughlin
That's nice.
Goat Township.
elad eliahu
Well, so long as the chickens outnumbers the goats, it's gonna stay Chicken City.
Until they get enough goats, and then they're gonna demograph.
libby emmons
But also, you already have the brand name.
elad eliahu
I don't know if this is a replacement theory.
unidentified
Chicken City edition of a replacement theory.
tim pool
The chickens start getting freaking out.
seamus coughlin
The chickens are like, why are our eggs going to the goats?
I don't understand why they're sending the eggs away.
tim pool
All the leghorns get really worried about it.
libby emmons
And then you're gonna have some great cheese, too.
Who are you gonna have come in to make some cheese?
tim pool
The leghorn joke worked really well for people who know chickens, but for those that don't, they're all white chickens.
unidentified
Oh, I see.
Yeah, that makes sense.
tim pool
And then we have the red on the reds are brown and white.
Let's read some more Super Chats.
Alexander Harold says, first SC ever, kill someone in self-defense, you have to prove self-defense.
So burden of proof for abortion, health and rape would require investigation similar to self-defense.
Thoughts?
Four-year fan.
That's actually interesting.
If you were going to create an exemption for abortion in the case of rape, there would have to be an investigation.
unidentified
And they would have to be able to, like, prove it, I guess.
seamus coughlin
But the left would never stand for that.
I mean, firstly, they would never want to limit the number of abortions ever, but then I think their argument would be like, no, you never investigate into it because that would allow them a loophole for basically anyone to still be able to get an abortion so long as they said they would.
elad eliahu
I think some of the most successful movements in the country are always trying to, you know, they try to morph and live up to the ideals of the Constitution.
So I think, you know, the civil rights movement did this, where they were arguing that all men, the Declaration of Independence said that all men are created equal, bestowed with unalienable rights by their creator.
So like, you know, I think pro-lifers, it would behoove them to make a similar type of argument.
seamus coughlin
What do you mean?
elad eliahu
That like, babies have certain unalienable rights, and we need to live up to the values that are set in our constitution.
And then if we want to change that, well, we need amendments to do that, so.
libby emmons
Well, if you kill a pregnant woman and you kill her baby, do you get charged extra?
I don't think you do, right?
elad eliahu
I think sometimes you do.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's considered a homicide.
Scott Peterson, right?
libby emmons
Yeah, Lacey Peterson.
Well, he killed his wife and baby, right?
seamus coughlin
She was pregnant, if I'm not mistaken.
tim pool
But it depends on the state.
elad eliahu
Does it depend on how far too?
Probably a little bit.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right.
Burt USA.
seamus coughlin
Hold on.
Scott Peterson was convicted of killing his pregnant wife and their unborn baby.
elad eliahu
How far in?
tim pool
What state, though?
What state?
libby emmons
Wasn't that Massachusetts?
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
tim pool
Tell me it was a blue state.
If it was a blue state that'll be interesting.
libby emmons
It was either Massachusetts or California.
elad eliahu
Tell me it was before the heartbeat.
libby emmons
She was pretty pregnant.
There was a case like that in Massachusetts too where the guy said that it was a black guy who came and like carjacked them and killed his wife so it was on top of everything else it was like super racist.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, while Seamus figures that out, we got BurtUSAFlorbo says, new case of monkeypox spotted in Massachusetts.
The dude got it when in Canada.
A little too close to the abominable snowman, if you ask me.
Conspiracy?
I think not.
Monkeypox!
unidentified
What if there's a monkeypox pandemic?
tim pool
It's a disease.
You get it.
Sam says, innovation competence is like other traits.
It operates on a bell curve.
While percentage stays the same, real numbers change and the far ends push out as numbers increase.
So the highest potential ability increases with larger population.
For example, the top 1% in a hundred versus a hundred K. That's a really, really good point.
When you have hundreds of millions of people, the bell curve will get wider because you have a higher chance of anomaly.
So, actually, it's an interesting way to think about it.
If there's a one-in-a-million athlete, but you only have a hundred people, you're not going to see that amazing athlete.
If a million people, you'll have one at the far end, so the bell curve actually will become wider.
Ty Johnson says, people want to be younger today because they were trapped inside, afraid of the outside as children due to tech and the parents wanting safety over childhood.
Is that what it was?
lydia smith
Don't know.
The Peterson case was in California.
tim pool
Was it?
Wow!
Isn't California like very pro-abortion?
libby emmons
Super pro-abortion.
They're so pro-abortion that they don't even track how many abortions are performed in the state.
elad eliahu
It's Schrodinger's child where it only counts if you want it to and when it's not advantageous it just doesn't count.
libby emmons
I was looking at this recently, and there are a number of states that don't report or record or keep data on how many, on the racial breakdown of abortions.
elad eliahu
So I'm pro-choice, but one of the most eye-opening statistics that I heard that was for many years in New York City, that were more black children aborted than were birthed, and it just sounds so outrageous.
It sounds that outrageous, where you're just like, wait a minute, what?
I don't know if it was every year, but it was for some of the years and to even have gotten close is kind of a crazy thing to conceptually, yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
seamus coughlin
Margaret Sanger's dream come true?
tim pool
That's crazy.
libby emmons
Yeah, it was actually a lot.
It was a lot of abortions performed in New York.
It was like New York and Florida were at the top of abortions.
lydia smith
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
We got, uh, Josh says, hope you guys are planning on doing another drinking game next time Biden has a State of the Union.
That show was one of the, one of the best TimCast fam.
You know what we need to do?
We need to do, uh, it doesn't need to be the State of the Union.
We should definitely do for any, you know, big event or something.
We got to bring Jamie back, Kirstein, and Lauren Southern.
And then Lauren can have more of the pappy in her paper cup.
But that was hilarious.
The show with Jamie was absolutely hilarious.
And so we'll just... It'll be two hours of just laughing non-stop.
And then everyone will have to go to the hospital from ruptured guts.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, he brought a really good energy.
lydia smith
Yeah, it was fun.
Really fun.
tim pool
And Lauren did, you know, when she poured the $1,000 whiskey in her paper cup and drank it a lot.
It was very funny.
Very funny.
We enjoyed it very much.
seamus coughlin
Tim, you promised me you'd never invite her back.
tim pool
Oh, she'll be back soon.
I agree with this.
There are a lot of people who skate who are conservative.
They just want to admit it.
That's the problem.
Conservatives.
In skate parks in the streets most parks have all the all walks of life skating will set you free. I agree with this
there are a lot of people who skate who are Conservative they just want to admit it. That's the problem
libby emmons
conservatives Why so cowardly? Yeah, if everyone just spoke up and spoke
their mind there wouldn't be any of this cancellation backlash nonsense
elad eliahu
Yeah I think the coalition is more of an anti-left than conservative.
And when I say anti-left, I'm going to talk about two specific issues.
It's that men can become women and women can become men.
It's kind of this gender ideology issue.
And then it's also the defund the police stuff.
Those are sort of one of their two big I haven't heard a lot about that lately.
libby emmons
I haven't heard a lot about the defund the police.
elad eliahu
Do you think it's going to come back?
seamus coughlin
It's because BLM is not as popular.
elad eliahu
It's because BLM isn't as popular and defund the police polled horribly and the Joe Biden administration as well as Democrats know that now after trialing it so they have to run away from it more but there's still the ideologues in the party who do believe that.
libby emmons
Well, and BLM turned out to be a whole bunch of grifters.
tim pool
I'm going to give a wag of the finger to Fox News because they are really misrepresenting the latest scandal.
So they keep saying that Patrice Cullors paid her baby's father and her brother $970,000 and $840,000.
Let me clarify that because I feel that's very misleading.
There's an LLC that does An LLC run by her baby's father does live production and her brother runs a security company now by all means I think Hiring your friends and family to do the jobs is a conflict of interest when you have those money but the idea that that money was compensation versus cost and That's what happens when Fox News says she paid her brother.
It's like, no, no, no, look.
If her brother was doing security at this company, how many security guards did she hire and how much money did he really get?
So maybe what really happened is she paid her brother a hundred grand, which is still like, you know, should a nonprofit be hiring all of their friends and family?
The live production thing, the one question I had was they spent $150,000 on a live stream.
And I'm like, okay, now we're asking some questions.
But Fox is making it seem like she's just giving the money straight to her brother to, like, do whatever he wants with.
So he's getting a lot.
The other thing, too, is if she was receiving more than $100,000, they would have to disclose that on the 990s.
They did not, because she probably wasn't.
It doesn't mean she's not getting paid in other ways, though, so... She also said that those 990s were triggering to have to fill them out.
Right.
libby emmons
That was funny.
tim pool
Oh no, people are gonna find out we're... Oh no!
seamus coughlin
Yeah, right.
libby emmons
I have to do accounting.
tim pool
All right, Rajesh says, my humble... Oh, she also said that she was flush with white guilt money.
unidentified
Right, yeah.
libby emmons
But, I mean, that's... She's right.
Of course she was.
I don't think that's a problem to say that.
She is completely accurate.
tim pool
All right.
Rajesh says, My humble submission to the panel to reprioritize issues.
First, dying microbes in soil leading to starvation in future.
Hashtag save soil.
Second, climate change.
Real or not, we need best practices to preserve life on this planet.
Millionth priority.
Feminine men trying to get attention.
I agree with the more responsible practices when it comes to maintaining the environment
and all that stuff.
My attitude is kind of like, I can't stand the Green New Deal because AOC was just like
equity and social justice.
And when I brought that up to Matt, he's like, that's where it starts.
That's the important thing to deal with, the Green New Deal is minorities.
And I was like, what does that have to do with wind turbines, dude?
I want energy sources that don't generate carbon, like nuclear power.
An amazing return on energy investment.
Energy return on energy invested.
And no carbon emissions.
We're all happy, right?
No, they don't want that either.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, also, I'll say this.
We absolutely need to have a coherent understanding of sex in order for society to function, because the family is the building block of society, and sex is what creates families.
And if we don't have a functioning society, we can't hope to solve any of the problems he's pointing out.
So these issues are genuinely important.
tim pool
Google has announced that they're very close to creating an AI with human intelligence, so perhaps we can just build people.
elad eliahu
Quickly on the climate change issue.
libby emmons
That's going to go great.
elad eliahu
I believe in amphiphomorphic climate change.
That is to say that the humans are having some influence on the climate.
But I also believe that we are scientific creatures and our continued understanding and new discoveries that we will run into is what's going to help us steer our way out of this.
My issue with the Green New Deal is that it doesn't try to solve reduced carbon emissions.
I don't think it tries to do any of that.
It just tries to overthrow quote unquote capitalism and our current system.
That is the goal of the Green New Deal.
It's not to reduce emissions, it's to try to force our way to use renewables that won't
work well in our system.
And then also like fun questionable things because again we paid like billions of dollars
for these solar panels in China that never panned out now that we're just overlooking
these costs.
So the issue with the Green New Deal is that it's more about communism really and so
and socialism, because that's what happens at these events, than actually trying to make a difference
for the environment.
Right now there's like an island of plastic the size of Texas or even larger right now.
libby emmons
The North Pacific Garbage Gyre.
elad eliahu
So if any, like, that is something that I'm genuinely concerned about.
I studied biology, I care a lot about the environment.
I've never heard anybody talk about how we're trying to deal with that,
and that's something more tangible than just climate change.
libby emmons
I will say that I was with a theater company for a while, and we worked for a very long time on an art project that was about ocean pollution, ocean acidification, and the North Pacific Garbage Dyer.
That's why I know all about it.
tim pool
I do have a solution, though.
I've thought a lot about this.
So hear me out.
What if we gave free healthcare to marginalized people?
elad eliahu
Why?
For the environment?
seamus coughlin
It'll make the environment better!
tim pool
It actually would make the environment worse because you'll produce more refuse.
Like more medical waste.
libby emmons
But what we really need to do is we need to pursue more nuclear energy.
elad eliahu
The reason Medicare for All won't ever happen is because the Democrats will insist to make abortions included in healthcare and also insist that all illegal immigrants also get healthcare.
That's why this issue I don't think will ever move forward.
I know that's a huge conversation.
libby emmons
I think it won't move forward because they want to keep using it as an issue that will never move forward.
tim pool
Here's what we'll do.
Geostationary orbital nuclear power stations that transmit energy wirelessly Down to the surface.
libby emmons
How can you look like lightning?
unidentified
An electromagnetic or laser or something.
tim pool
Yeah, there you go.
unidentified
Boom.
tim pool
Problem solved.
elad eliahu
I'm with it.
tim pool
Then when it melts down, it just blows up in outer space.
libby emmons
And they keep taking nuclear power plants offline.
tim pool
I got it.
Guys, a Dyson sphere.
Around the sun.
elad eliahu
Problem solved.
You know, I speak to a lot of Green New Deal people, and they'll tell me they're anti-nuclear openly.
libby emmons
No, of course they're anti-nuclear, because the boomers have convinced everyone that nuclear's gonna kill everyone, and it's not.
elad eliahu
Well, they're not really there to solve the problem, I think is the larger issue.
libby emmons
Right, I think that's exactly correct.
seamus coughlin
I've got one, instead of a Dyson sphere, we'll put a Tyson sphere around the sun.
unidentified
It's just a lot of chicken.
seamus coughlin
Is it like, no, a Tyson sphere, like Neil deGrasse Tyson, it just like pedantically corrects you about things.
libby emmons
I thought you meant like Tyson chicken, and then we just get like a lot of chicken.
seamus coughlin
It's like the sun powers it.
libby emmons
It'll cook chicken really fast.
tim pool
We'll just read a couple more here.
Ants Honey says, you can't fool me, James O'Keefe.
What have you done with Libby?
libby emmons
I admit it, it's me.
I'm about to break out in song.
tim pool
We need to have James on at one point to just have that happen with like, Lauren will be here.
And then while we're talking like, wait a minute, that's not Lauren Southern.
unidentified
And then we'll have James jump in and say, James in a wig, like jumps in poorly disguised as Lauren.
tim pool
It was James the whole time.
There's a funny meme that Seamus.
You tweeted and I saw it.
Someone, Wolfsbane1104 made it.
And it's the crazy hot axis.
Have you ever seen that?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, where it's like, you know, a woman who's like really crazy and kind of hot you stay away from, but like a woman who's like hot and not that crazy you marry.
And then normally it says not crazy and totally hot.
Unicorns don't exist.
He changed it.
It says James O'Keefe.
unidentified
James O'Keefe.
That's correct.
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Zach Snow says, I love this show, but I'm hating the chat tonight.
Libby, love seeing you on the show, but you're killing the chat section tonight.
libby emmons
It's not me, you guys.
Why are you blaming me?
I haven't even been in the chat.
I've been over here in this chair.
lydia smith
She's been very focused.
libby emmons
With King Kong.
tim pool
All right.
We'll grab one more.
Dorktanian says, I will run the nightly Timcast IRL drinking show, judging which tropes are shots, drinks, and flubs.
It was flib, right?
It was flib?
unidentified
Flib?
lydia smith
Florbs?
tim pool
I don't know.
I made up a word for woman.
libby emmons
You should say florbs again.
That was really funny.
tim pool
Who was it?
They were like, what word should we use for a woman then?
And I was like, flib.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Flibs.
lydia smith
I like florbs.
tim pool
Well, florbo is neutral.
libby emmons
Oh, I see.
That's gender neutral.
Neutral is...
tim pool
Yeah, so my point was that if someone tells me I have to use their pronouns, I'll say, I won't use the pronouns that, if you're like, hey, don't use he or him, use this or that, I'll say, I won't use the pronouns you want, but I'll use totally different ones you don't expect.
Florbo.
libby emmons
Okay.
Florbo.
tim pool
Yeah, Florbo told me, you know, and then it's like, but it's nice.
It's like Florbo.
It sounds like a marshmallow.
libby emmons
It's actually, it's kind of fun to say.
tim pool
Right.
libby emmons
Which I think should count with four words.
tim pool
It was meant to be like the beanbag of words, so it's soft, and you're okay.
But they don't get to tell me what I say.
libby emmons
It reminds me of, like, you remember Flobby?
Remember that?
tim pool
Flobby?
unidentified
No.
libby emmons
Do you remember this?
Is that what it was called?
Flobby?
And it was like a vacuum haircutting tool?
unidentified
Yeah, it sounds like.
Oh.
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, it reminds me of, if you have not already, would you kindly smash the like button?
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