April 14, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:06:30
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| Elon Musk has just, I don't know how you describe this, nuked the culture war, and it's really exposed some rather shady dealings, which I find particularly interesting. | ||
| Notably, a Saudi prince is rejecting the buyout offer, because they're one of the biggest investors, saying, no, no, Twitter is worth more, even though most reporting shows that Twitter is failing stagnant growth, and it was failing years ago. | ||
| Trump is the only reason, as far as I know, that it started to come back. | ||
| So why are these companies so interested on retaining this power? | ||
| Elon Musk is no longer the largest shareholder. | ||
| Vanguard just bought more shares, and it seems like they're not going to go for the buyout either. | ||
| My opinion? | ||
| You know, the Saudi prince is right. | ||
| Twitter is more valuable than $54.20 per share. | ||
| It's the political influence you wield when you silence those who disagree with you. | ||
| We've talked about this before, and I think this may play a role. | ||
| Naturally, you have many Twitter employees freaking out, the media's freaking out, but Elon Musk ain't backing down. | ||
| He's actually put them in a difficult position, because if they go against the will of the majority of the shareholders, they're violating their fiduciary responsibility, and it opens them up to liability. | ||
| So this may be one of the most epic and craziest moments in the culture war. | ||
| We definitely gotta talk about that. | ||
| And I gotta tell you, man, almost... there's just too much to go through, because this is huge. | ||
| But we do have the RNC pulling out of the Commission on Presidential Debates, which is also equally massive, and a bunch of stories about abortion being banned, which is seemingly just escalating, and of course, many on the left are freaking out. | ||
| We'll get into all that. | ||
| Joining us today is the intrepid duo Smokey Mike and the God King. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Who's first, like, billing? | ||
| You, Jeremy? | ||
| Well, Smokey Mike gets first billing because when one is known as the God King, they don't need, they don't care about things like this. | ||
| How do you follow a God King? | ||
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| Michael, go first. | ||
| Who are you? | ||
| Well, I'm Smokey Mike. | ||
| I'm a well-known guitarist and sitar player and 1970s rock icon, so it's good to be here. | ||
| I do, in my free time, I have a show called the Michael Knowles Show at the Daily Wire. | ||
| Which is fun. | ||
| It's kind of like a little amateur side project. | ||
| Not your passion project. | ||
| But it's not, yeah. | ||
| I mean, the way I pay the bills is with my acoustic guitar and my psychedelic cool licks. | ||
| In all seriousness, maybe people don't know, you were on, I don't know if it was last time, but you actually played a song about your book. | ||
| For our members only. | ||
| Hey, you know, I really have to thank you guys because, seriously, I go on Tim's show, I come on the podcast, and all of a sudden everyone in the Super Chats starts plugging my book. | ||
| And I think one of the main reasons that book hit number one nationally is because your listeners, Tim, were so relentless about promoting this book, which is why I'm so happy to say paperbacks out in June, baby. | ||
| Let's do it. | ||
| Speechless coming back. | ||
| What's it called again? | ||
| I just want to point out. | ||
| Speechless, okay. | ||
| It is true they were promoting it, but actually I think they were trolling me because what they would do is they would start the super chat and I would get into reading it and then it would devolve into promoting Michael Sparks. | ||
| They got me, but it helped so, you know. | ||
| It did. | ||
| Great job guys. | ||
| Keep it up. | ||
| June 2022. | ||
| Really appreciate it. | ||
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It's good. | |
| Villa PR. | ||
| We do have the God King himself, but small G, right? | ||
| Lowercase g, lowercase k. I am the man to whom Michael Knowles owes everything, except apparently the success of his last book. | ||
| Yeah, I'm the co-founder, co-CEO of The Daily Wire, and also 70s rock icon. | ||
| For those who don't know, Smokey Mike and the God King, legendary performance at the Ryman Auditorium last year. | ||
| How will we ever top it? | ||
| And the answer is, we don't know. | ||
| I have an idea. | ||
| I'm on board. | ||
| Let's, uh... The garden? | ||
| The garden! | ||
| Madison Square Garden. | ||
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I know. | |
| Because we've already played the Mother Church of Country Music, so you're saying that would have to be the elevation. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| I suppose. | ||
| I mean, I don't know how you pull off filling out, what is it, 60,000 seater or something? | ||
| Oh, that's easy. | ||
| No, that's easy. | ||
| It's just more... It's like this guy doesn't even know a good joke when he hears it. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, I don't know. | ||
| The garden, that's easy. | ||
| But it's like, you know, you gotta get on a plane, put on the dumb masks. | ||
| They just extended that another two weeks. | ||
| So, we gotta work out the logistics. | ||
| Wait, well, hold on. | ||
| You don't have a private jet? | ||
| You're right. | ||
| The 70s rock icon himself flies coach? | ||
| Well, after what happened to Skinner, we said, you know, only commercial from now on. | ||
| What we said is only commercial for Smokey Mike. | ||
| Did we mention your name, Jeremy Boring? | ||
| Oh yeah, my name is Jeremy Boring. | ||
| There may be, you know, somebody's listening and is like, God King, who is this man? | ||
| Who is that handsome Dan? | ||
| All right, we also got Seamus. | ||
| Seamus Coughlin. | ||
| I run a YouTube channel called Freedom Tunes. | ||
| We just released a cartoon today. | ||
| Very happy with it. | ||
| Very excited about it. | ||
| It's about groomer teachers. | ||
| You guys are gonna love it. | ||
| And guess what? | ||
| We are at 796,000 subscribers. | ||
| Let's get to 800,000. | ||
| We can do it. | ||
| Go over there. | ||
| Hit the subscribe button. | ||
| We just released one of our best videos ever. | ||
| You guys are gonna love it. | ||
| Ian Crossland up in the house. | ||
| What's up, dudes? | ||
| I'm just a wild animal and I'm happy to get rolling, so let's go. | ||
| Awesome. | ||
| I am just excited to be here. | ||
| As always in the corner pushing buttons, love to have Michael and Jeremy both back within relatively short order. | ||
| So let's get this party started. | ||
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| And guys, you made all this possible. | ||
| We are eternally grateful for your support. | ||
| And we look forward to challenging the system. | ||
| I used to say, you know, don't forget to smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, and share this show with your friends. | ||
| And the reason I would say that is because if everybody listening shared this, we'd be bigger than CNN. | ||
| Well, we're bigger than CNN Plus. | ||
| So, I don't know what else to say other than, we did it, guys! | ||
| Thank you all so much, because granted, I think the real issue is that CNN Plus is just in the gutter. | ||
| But, you know, good job. | ||
| No, what a great business strategy. | ||
| They're like, no one's watching our network. | ||
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Let's make them pay for it. | |
| Well, let's talk about this. | ||
| I don't even know how to begin with this story, because we've just got so much going on with the Elon Musk nuclear bomb on Twitter. | ||
| So as many of you may have heard, Elon Musk this morning announces he wants a full buyout. | ||
| 100% of the platform at $54.20. | ||
| Full disclosure, I own 22 shares of the company. | ||
| Not a whole lot. | ||
| I would like to see Elon Musk fix it, and if that means being bought out and getting rid of all the shares, I'm fine with that. | ||
| Elon Musk is right about a lot of the problems. | ||
| The top 10 users, barely any of them tweet anymore. | ||
| Several haven't even tweeted this year. | ||
| But something strange is happening. | ||
| Even though $54.20 is above market rate, it's a premium on the value of the shares. | ||
| And even though Elon Musk is saying if he can't affect positive change, he might actually sell off his shares, which would be detrimental to the company. | ||
| These powerful interests don't want to sell. | ||
| I wonder why that is. | ||
| So here's the first story we have in this, because what we're seeing is Elon Musk expose what appears to be some kind of shady dealings. | ||
| Cameron Winklevoss says, Twitter is considering a poison pill to thwart Elon Musk's offer. | ||
| They would rather self-immolate than give up their censorship programs. | ||
| This shows you how deeply committed they are to Orwellian control of the narratives and global discourse. | ||
| Scary. | ||
| That's a win-win. | ||
| Elon Musk responds if the current Twitter board takes actions contrary to the shareholder interests | ||
| They would be breaching their fiduciary duty the liability. | ||
| They would thereby assume would be Titanic in scale What a freaking stud it's just great the thing that's most | ||
| inspiring about this is generally speaking Mo money mo problems, right? | ||
| Right? | ||
| Generally speaking, we were talking about this a little earlier, as people get money and influence and power, they just, they get timid. | ||
| They get risk averse. | ||
| And this guy is gambling 41 billion dollars on a really important, politically significant troll. | ||
| I think it's more than that, though. | ||
| You know, he called the Babylon Bee when they got suspended, and the story apparently is, he said, did you guys really get suspended over this joke? | ||
| They said yes, and he goes, I might have to buy Twitter. | ||
| Well, also- I think- Wow. | ||
| I mean- Sorry, just, Elon Musk has got- I'll put it this way. | ||
| He's got 280 billion dollars towards his net worth. | ||
| If you had 280 bucks, and someone was like, hey, this really important thing is 50 bucks, You know, you might be like, eh, it's $50, it's a lot, but, you know, for him... Well, it's even better than that, because it's not as though it has no value. | ||
| So he buys it for $50, which he's not going to have to do. | ||
| I think his actual plan is, offer them $50, they're going to say no, he sells off his 9.2%, he crashes the price of their stocks, now he comes in and buys it for $20. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| makes it private, fixes it, relists it on the New York Stock Exchange 12-18 months later, | ||
| doubles his money. | ||
| So he gets to both do the greatest probably social good for free speech that anyone's | ||
| done in our lifetime, and probably double his cash on the whole affair. | ||
| And I also want to say, when Twitter is threatening to self-immolate and destroy their company, | ||
| we have to take that seriously because we've seen them do it before. | ||
| Like we know they're capable of it. | ||
| Twitter? | ||
| Yeah, just completely destroying any value within their own company. | ||
| My understanding is that before 2016, Twitter was losing users. | ||
| They had changed their metric for how they calculated users from, like, something like daily active to monthly active, so that, you know, because the average person was using the platform less, they said, okay, well, if they use it once in the month, then... But it's been a while, so you gotta fact check that one, because I haven't been tracking that as much. | ||
| But when I see this idea that Twitter would self-immolate, I'm like, Yeah, because I think the real issue for these investors is power. | ||
| Political power. | ||
| It's more valuable than cash. | ||
| It is political. | ||
| That's the word we have to use. | ||
| We always make fun of this sort of build your own Twitter, build your own Google. | ||
| No, they're ensconced in power. | ||
| There was a time at the beginning of social media when there was competition. | ||
| We're way past that. | ||
| They've exploited legal liability protections. | ||
| They've teamed up with the government and they've defrauded their users. | ||
| So we're stuck with these guys. | ||
| So now there's this third option, which is don't build your own Twitter, just buy your | ||
| own Twitter. | ||
| And when we talk about political power, we usually think about the government. | ||
| We live in a republic. | ||
| In a republic, you govern yourself with speech. | ||
| You engage in speech in the public square. | ||
| If some bozo in Silicon Valley is controlling all the speech in the republic and censoring very important people in that republic, you don't have free speech, you don't have a republic. | ||
| It's the most important thing for our form of government in years. | ||
| Yeah, there's an important, you know, this term fiduciary duty may be not common to everyone who's listening. | ||
| Essentially what it means is if you are in a position of responsibility for someone else's investment, then you have a legal obligation, not just a moral, but a legal obligation to put their interests ahead of your own interests. | ||
| And in publicly traded companies, this typically means the executives and it means the board of directors. | ||
| these are people who because they represent in a sort of lowercase r republican sense they | ||
| represent the average investor the retail investor they have obligations the our friend vivek | ||
| ramaswamy i think is so good about this he talks about these companies you know part of the story | ||
| is that today vanguard took an outsized stake in twitter so that they would actually be the | ||
| biggest shareholder and elon would no longer be the number one shareholder vanguard along with | ||
| blackrock and one other state street yes imagine they own 22 trillion dollars worth of the s&p 500 | ||
| worth of the top 500 companies that are traded on the on the stock exchange what they are essentially | ||
| is using your money Money from your 401k, from your Roth IRA, money from your pension account. | ||
| They're using your money to amass power for themselves to act against your interests. | ||
| And I think Vivek rightly points out, it's actually probably the greatest abuse of fiduciary responsibility in all of human history. | ||
| And I think that's part of what Elon is, I mean, very clearly up against. | ||
| He's up against the, you say, these deeply entrenched powers that be, or these deeply entrenched powers against free speech. | ||
| It's literally three entities. | ||
| So, The Daily Wire, you're launching kids content. | ||
| Are you insinuating you're going to launch financial investment and holdings companies to challenge this machine? | ||
| There is nothing that we will not do. | ||
| I'm imagining it's like 2070, and people are like, oh, I gotta run to the Daily Wire to cash my check. | ||
| When you're out, can you go to the Daily Wire to pick up a large pizza? | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| But I'm gonna stop at the Daily Wire to fill up my tank before I go. | ||
| Meanwhile, down in the Caribbean, on an island called Godkingia... | ||
| I mean, Ben has been offering me payday loans since I started at the company. | ||
| 50 points on the day. | ||
| If they were to refuse this buyout and then maybe do their investors wrong, what could they expect? | ||
| What kind of reprisal? | ||
| Well, I think that heretofore, none. | ||
| It's never occurred to any of them that they could be held responsible. | ||
| I think what this is, of all the tweets that Elon Musk has put out in the last several weeks about Twitter, this is the most interesting one, because he's essentially saying, I am one of the people they have a fiduciary duty to. | ||
| By not joining the board, Elon did not place himself in a position of fiduciary responsibility, which leaves him with the actual legal right Wow. | ||
| to act against the financial interests of Twitter. | ||
| And I think what he's telling them is, I will personally sue them out of existence if they | ||
| violate their fiduciary responsibilities. | ||
| But it's a lie. | ||
| You know, I mentioned the Trump thing, the platform dying, because when Trump joins, | ||
| the platform goes nuts. | ||
| All of a sudden, people have a reason to use it and be on it. | ||
| Alex Jones, for instance. | ||
| They have banned people to the point of irrelevancy. | ||
| It's not fun anymore. | ||
| I stopped taking the platform seriously. | ||
| I post such absurd nonsense half the time. | ||
| But back when there was a real- You have one million followers on the platform. | ||
| It's weird to me. | ||
| It's weird to me, too. | ||
| I posted a hairless rabbit once and I'm like, why are people following me? | ||
| But they do. | ||
| And it's fine. | ||
| Maybe that's it. | ||
| Maybe the irreverence and the absurdity is something worth following. | ||
| But my view is, I used to use this platform as a utility for journalism. | ||
| And now, because of how radioactive the platform has become, how awful it is, it's effectively worthless. | ||
| I think maybe Twitter realized, or I should say assumed, what a lot of media companies did, that culture war is money. | ||
| As much as the left likes to accuse any one of us of being grifters, the left has been doing what's called mission-driven storytelling long before any conservative right-wing or libertarian person figured out what was going on. | ||
| All of these digital media companies in the early 2010s realized if we get political, we make money, and then they have the nerve to call everybody else grifters. | ||
| Here's the thing, that's fine. | ||
| You know, obviously at the Daily Wire, we have a point of view. | ||
| We have a series of biases. | ||
| But we own those biases. | ||
| If you look at the tradition of journalism in America, the Tennessee newspaper used to be called the Tennessee Democrat. | ||
| If you go back to the time of the earliest presidential elections, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, they wouldn't run for office. | ||
| They would have looked down on that. | ||
| Instead, they owned and marshaled newspapers to actually be their political instruments. | ||
| That's always been the history of journalism in this country until the post-war consensus, and then we came up with this absurd notion of objective journalism, which which is a paradoxical kind of concept in and of itself. | ||
| I think it's very good that the New York Times is so far left. | ||
| It's very bad that the New York Times won't just admit and own their biases. | ||
| If they would just tell us, yes, we're on the left, and that gives you a series of expectations | ||
| when you read our content, doesn't mean that it's okay to be completely polemical | ||
| or to actually be propaganda outlets. | ||
| You should tell the truth, but you should let us know from what point of view you're telling that. | ||
| I agree, except the issue is when big tech platforms embrace that. | ||
| Well, but again, if Twitter would own its biases, if YouTube would own its biases, that would actually create a market for alternatives. | ||
| But the problem is that they lie about their biases. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| I think conservatives know Twitter hates them. | ||
| And what do you do? | ||
| Parlor, Gab, Mines, Getter? | ||
| Yeah, no one's going there because there are only two reasons to be on Twitter, and they matter. | ||
| Twitter is the smallest big tech platform. | ||
| It's why Elon can make this kind of play, even though he's the richest man in the world. | ||
| Still, it takes a lot for one guy to take down a big tech platform. | ||
| There are two reasons to be on Twitter. | ||
| One is to get into fights with celebrities. | ||
| It's super fun. | ||
| It's great. | ||
| Anyone can do it. | ||
| The celebrities fight. | ||
| That's the one reason. | ||
| The second reason is because it sets the news cycle. | ||
| So not a lot of people actually use Twitter and they never really have. | ||
| But all the right people do? | ||
| All the right people do. | ||
| And so it's, look, I'll own it. | ||
| That's how I write a lot of my shows. | ||
| I see what's trending on Twitter. | ||
| And it's how a lot of news articles are written now. | ||
| And all of the blue check journos are on there. | ||
| And so if you can control the narrative on Twitter, you're really controlling the narrative | ||
| throughout most of the mainstream media. | ||
| Speaking of, you mentioned Vanguard, State Street, and BlackRock as three entities essentially | ||
| If you really look into it, you start to see that they own each other, that there's a lot of the same people. | ||
| This is from WallStreetZen. | ||
| State Street is the largest individual shareholder of, or let's get this right, Vanguard is the largest individual State Street shared holder with 34.26 million shares. | ||
| So Vanguard owns 9.36% of State Street. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| million shares representing so Vanguard owns 9.36% of State Street. Wow. And it gets deeper and deeper the more you | ||
| look into it. | ||
| Let's pull up some of this weirdity this this this absurdity oddity shady dealings weirdity. | ||
| So we have this tweet from Alwaleed Talal. | ||
| He says, I don't believe that the proposed offer by Elon Musk, $54.20, comes close to the intrinsic value of Twitter given its growth prospects. | ||
| Being one of the largest and long-term shareholders of Twitter, KingdomKHC and I reject this offer. | ||
| Elon Musk responded to this in a very powerful way. | ||
| But the first thing I want to do is give you some context. | ||
| In a story from Reuters, published by Yahoo Finance, they say something very simple. | ||
| Let me scroll down. | ||
| Serial underperformer. | ||
| Twitter's lower-than-expected user additions in recent months have raised doubts about its growth prospects, even as it pursues big projects such as audio chat rooms and newsletters. | ||
| Yes, anybody who knows anything knows that Twitter has constantly struggled That's right. | ||
| So what about Elon Musk's premium offer as a bad deal? | ||
| Well, for the prince in Saudi Arabia, maybe it is a bad deal. | ||
| Elon Musk responded. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Just two questions, if I may. | ||
| How much of Twitter does the kingdom own directly and indirectly? | ||
| What are the kingdom's views on journalistic freedom of speech? | ||
| Whoa! | ||
| Elon Musk is a brave man in going after some of the biggest companies and political leaders in the world. | ||
| But he makes a really good point, and I'll throw it back to the point I made earlier. | ||
| I believe the Prince Alwaleed is correct. | ||
| $54.20 doesn't come close to the true value of Twitter, which is controlling the American news cycle. | ||
| Especially if you're dependent upon the United States for weapons, and you like a lot of the US foreign interests when it comes to destabilizing the region. | ||
| No, it's true. | ||
| And so people talk about the fact that Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post, and it's definitely very funny. | ||
| There's a lot of great memes that have come out of that. | ||
| But Elon Musk owning Twitter would obviously make him significantly more powerful than any billionaire who happens to own a single publication. | ||
| Well, this is also how Elon Musk, I think, makes almost all of his decisions. | ||
| He thinks, what is Jeff Bezos doing? | ||
| How can I do it better? | ||
| That's his actual... | ||
| Oh, you make phallic rocket ships? | ||
| That's cute, Bezos. | ||
| I'll take us to Mars. | ||
| I think before the show, you framed it in the best way possible. | ||
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Who was it? | |
| Was it you, Michael, who said, or maybe Seamus, Elon Musk is the first rich person to do something cool with their money? | ||
| Yeah, and that's not an original thought from myself. | ||
| I think it might have been Cerno who said that. | ||
| But then you said Jeff Bezos... How did you frame it? | ||
| Jeff Bezos does cool... I don't know. | ||
| He does cool things and makes them uncool. | ||
| No, you said he's interesting as a boring person. | ||
| Yeah, something like that. | ||
| And his rocket ship looks like a penis. | ||
| It was really, really good. | ||
| It's like, oh man, it's the greatest joke ever, but if only you were there you would have heard it. | ||
| Interesting in the way a boring person is, basically. | ||
| Yeah, you said, in a way, a boring person is like, he makes a rocket, but it's not cool. | ||
| It looks like a penis. | ||
| You see Elon and Jeff were on Twitter talking back and forth about turning Twitter headquarters into a homeless shelter. | ||
| And Basil's like, actually, it's a great idea. | ||
| We converted half of the Amazon headquarters or something into a homeless shelter in that the employees can volunteer. | ||
| It's so uncool. | ||
| The way that this has become a very hostile takeover kind of situation, what I love about it is every time Elon does something new and he is rebuffed, whether it's by the Saudis or whether it's by the board or Parag Agrawal, they say, OK, they got Elon now. | ||
| Oh, too bad. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| As if Elon just woke up one day and said, hey, buy, buy, buy! | ||
| It's hard to buy 9% of Twitter. | ||
| You kind of have a plan going into it, and you don't become the richest guy on Earth. | ||
| on accident. You know, you generally speaking, you're pretty smart about these things. And Elon, | ||
| not forget about plan B that he talked about today. I bet you he's got plan C and D and E. | ||
| He's an engineer. That's what they do. | ||
| This is the ultimate thing about Elon Musk that I've been saying for a long time. | ||
| He's the greatest living American. He is the only he is the only person. I'm right here. Okay. | ||
| The only person on earth right now with a positive vision for the future of humanity | ||
| that actually involves the dignity of the individual. | ||
| It actually involves freedom. | ||
| And it's constructive. | ||
| He's not a guy who's lamenting the past. | ||
| He's not a guy who thinks it's all over. | ||
| He doesn't believe we're at the end of history. | ||
| He's a guy who's like, let's make things cooler than anybody's ever made them. | ||
| Let's go further than anybody's ever gone. | ||
| Let's go faster. | ||
| The greatest answer maybe in the history of Well, the greatest answer in the history of media is when | ||
| Larry King asked Vice President Dick Cheney if we should bomb Iran and Dick Cheney said | ||
| For what? | ||
| The second best answer in the history of media is when Jay Leno was trying to jab at Elon Musk for putting bulletproof | ||
| windows on the cyber truck He's like, why would you do that? | ||
| Why would you do that? | ||
| And Elon said, because it's badass. | ||
| You know what I like about Elon Musk? | ||
| All of those things you mentioned. | ||
| But $54.20. | ||
| Everybody's saying he just wanted to put $4.20 in that. | ||
| He wanted that to be in the news. | ||
| I bet he did. | ||
| He posted the next Twitter board meeting is going to be lit and it's him smoking pot. | ||
| He's just, he's having fun. | ||
| He's a choice like Ben Franklin, man. | ||
| Ben Franklin wanted to make the turkey our national bird. | ||
| The ultimate troll until Elon. | ||
| I think people like turkeys. | ||
| I love turkeys. | ||
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I'm also I don't know about trolling I think I will say that | |
| God Kings don't look up to many folk, but I will say that what everything we do at the daily wire is basically trying | ||
| to To emulate this kind of an attitude to say that our best | ||
| days are ahead of us. We can build alternatives We can do good things | ||
| We don't have to just sit in a state of perpetual grief Because things aren't as aren't the way that they used to | ||
| be that we can take the great ideas of the past and build better things atop them | ||
| Even the same kind of financial, pardon my bluntness, stupidity, you could just take your money and run. | ||
| You could run right now and have a good life. | ||
| And you, stupidly, have reinvested your money and are building all these new companies. | ||
| What an idiot. | ||
| Certain kind of stupidness to do the right thing. | ||
| Putting money into doing good stuff. | ||
| Buying Twitter. | ||
| Oh man. | ||
| You know, but the funny thing is that most rich people feel that way, and that freaks me out. | ||
| I want to give a shout out to Elon because everything he's doing, I'm inspired by. | ||
| And I'm somebody who grew up with no heroes. | ||
| I mean, there were pro skateboarders, I was like, that was a great trick, but I never looked at anybody and said, I want to do that. | ||
| And now I'm watching everything he's doing and it's like, and I'm just like, I need $300 billion so I can buy Twitter too. | ||
| So I can shake things up. | ||
| I once tweeted at Elon Musk, why haven't you built an Iron Man suit yet? | ||
| And he responded, building Starship. | ||
| And I was like, that's an acceptable response. | ||
| Duly reviewed. | ||
| What is so weird about him is that politically he's got generally the right ideas, because all these guys, look, I don't care about cars, I really don't care about electric cars, I don't care about going to space, I never watched Star Wars, not Star Trek, I just don't Shame on you. | ||
| I know, I know, everyone knocks. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| None of that interests me whatsoever. | ||
| But you know what I do care about? | ||
| My republic, and my government, and my politics. | ||
| And all these futurist guys are always lunatics. | ||
| All these billionaire masters of the universe always want to enslave all of us and put us in a prison colony on Mars. | ||
| And he's the one dude who's saying, no, I actually want you to have your traditional way of life and your freedom. | ||
| Or at a minimum, he's who the government will have to pay to get to the prison colonies on Mars. | ||
| It's a long game. | ||
| He is African-American. | ||
| He's from South America. | ||
| So do you guys think that we should at some point maybe amend the Constitution so a non-American citizen can run for president? | ||
| Well, at least an African-American like Elon Musk should. | ||
| The question is, do you really think Elon Musk would do more good as president as opposed to what he's doing now? | ||
| No way. | ||
| Not unless he owns Twitter. | ||
| Well, and I'll say this, I haven't really paid close attention to him, not enough attention to say I am a huge fan, but stuff like this really makes me like him. | ||
| What I really appreciate is the fact that he is countering the overpopulation narrative. | ||
| We were discussing this before the show a little bit. | ||
| That we're not going to have enough people, that underpopulation is going to be a serious problem. | ||
| He's absolutely correct. | ||
| And how unbelievably refreshing it is to have an elite who isn't misanthropic, who doesn't say human life is fundamentally bad, or at the very least needs to be mitigated in some way. | ||
| Shout out to Elon's mom, dude. | ||
| That woman is amazing. | ||
| But, you know, while we're all getting ready to... Well, I'll keep it family-friendly and just say, pat him on the back. | ||
| Only to end world hunger. | ||
| I would only ever do that. | ||
| But there are questions about his statements on China. | ||
| Sure. | ||
| So I could be wrong, but wasn't he going on Chinese social media and praising the Chinese Communist Party or something to that effect? | ||
| If that's the case, that's very disappointing. | ||
| I could be wrong. | ||
| I don't want to call out the dude who I think is doing rad stuff. | ||
| But part of me is concerned. | ||
| Maybe the dude's got a big play to make a bunch of money, and he's just... It's still flipping the bird to the system, which I can respect, but is the end goal like you mentioned. | ||
| Here's what he does. | ||
| He tanks the company, he buys it, he turns it private, changes some rules, lists it, makes a quick billion. | ||
| But that's not a bad thing. | ||
| First of all... | ||
| Elon Musk doesn't need money. He's the richest person not only in the world | ||
| But in the history of the world, even when we talk about the 280 some billion dollars of net worth that he has | ||
| You have to keep in mind SpaceX hasn't had a public offering | ||
| So we're not we're not really contemplating any of the value that exists in the only access that the United States | ||
| has to space Neuralink is probably only just getting started hasn't gone | ||
| public We've never seen in our life, not since Rockefeller, have we seen a figure like Elon Musk. | ||
| The guy very likely could be the first trillionaire to walk the earth. | ||
| So we can't even really contemplate the amount of money that Elon Musk represents. | ||
| So, listen, everybody likes to make a quick billion, but Elon Musk isn't, there's just no way that he's motivated in this by that. | ||
| More what I'm saying is that the positive aspect of economic incentive is that it allows you to do good and do well. | ||
| And so I think that Elon Musk is doing a good thing missionally with what he's doing with Twitter, and he will also likely make a lot of money. | ||
| I don't see those two things being in opposition. | ||
| So the fear is, with the metaverse and with Neuralink, is someone like Zuckerberg being in charge and letting him get access to your brain. | ||
| Would you go into the metaverse via a Neuralink if it was Elon Musk who was the, you know, god-king of the metaverse? | ||
| No, I don't... | ||
| He's saying he's going to open source the code of Twitter, the algorithm, which is the first step to trusting the device or the software you're using. | ||
| If you can reference the algorithm, see if it's spying on you or not. | ||
| If you have a device that lets you enter the metaverse and it's not spying on you, that's the only way to go. | ||
| Yeah, and so you mentioned some statements that he ostensibly made about China. | ||
| This is also part of why I'm sort of withholding a little bit. | ||
| I don't know a huge amount about the guy, but part of the reason I was making the point that I made is because it is really disturbing that the fact that he is against the overpopulation narrative, it's very disturbing that that sets him apart from virtually everyone else in power. | ||
| But I also think that speaks to what you're discussing, which is this idea of being optimistic and having a plan for the future. | ||
| I think misanthropy is the greatest indicator that, hey, a person doesn't have a plan for the future and they're just a horrifically jaded pessimist. | ||
| Listen, the other aspect of this is that he's probably wrong about China, and maybe he isn't a great dad. | ||
| I don't know, maybe he's a great dad. | ||
| I'm only saying Elon Musk is a human being, and all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and it's not what is common about us that is noteworthy, definitionally. | ||
| It's what's noteworthy about us that's noteworthy. | ||
| And so I think about like George Washington, right? | ||
| And everybody's like, oh, George Washington owned slaves. | ||
| I'm like, yeah, he was a planter in Virginia in the 18th century. | ||
| They all own slaves. | ||
| That's what's average about him. | ||
| That's not notable about him at all in his time and in his place. | ||
| What's notable about him, among other things, is that he freed his slaves. | ||
| None of the rest of them did. | ||
| So does that justify slavery? | ||
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| Is that an excuse for slavery? | ||
| No. | ||
| It's only to say that it's not worth bringing up that George Washington owned slaves. | ||
| That's not actually an interesting thing about George Washington in his time. | ||
| He owned 300 slaves, and it was not interesting. | ||
| about him. If I owned even one slave, it would be remarkably noteworthy, because in my time and in | ||
| my place, that would be the incredibly strange, peculiar thing that reveals something about me. | ||
| And so, for a billionaire industrialist to believe in free trade and be dependent somewhat on | ||
| the Asian markets and probably on Chinese manufacturing, Elon Musk isn't who outsourced all of America's manufacturing. | ||
| That happened 50 years ago, 60 years ago. | ||
| But he is dependent in many ways on that manufacturing, although he's doing something about it and trying to manufacture in America. | ||
| But all that to say, Those aren't actually the interesting things about him. | ||
| They may be negative things about him, but they're not noteworthy things about him. | ||
| What's noteworthy about him is that he's the only guy in that space who, to your point, seems to be pro-human. | ||
| He's the only person in that space who seems to be pro-speech. | ||
| These are the actual noteworthy things about him. | ||
| The pro-human thing part is so important because it is the weirdest aspect to me, especially of Bill Gates. | ||
| Bill Gates will not shut up about how there were too many people on the planet. | ||
| And it's just a lie. | ||
| Overpopulation is completely made up. | ||
| Most notably, there was this book, The Population Bomb, in 1970-71. | ||
| It said that within 10 years, even if we now coerce abortions, which the book called for, coerce sterility, even if we do that right now, we're screwed. | ||
| There's going to be, in 10 years, mass famine everywhere. | ||
| And it was completely made up. | ||
| We're 50 years later. | ||
| The world population doubled. | ||
| Malnutrition is at an all-time low. | ||
| Let me pull up the story. | ||
| We actually have the story from USA Today. | ||
| It's from December. | ||
| Elon Musk says there aren't enough people. | ||
| Birth rate could threaten human civilization. | ||
| And I think what people don't realize is that the only reason we have the level of technology we do is due to the specialties of human career, human jobs. | ||
| So, let's go back in time. | ||
| We're all living in caves. | ||
| Human beings, it was possible. | ||
| It was possible for a human being to have the summation of human knowledge in their brain. | ||
| It was possible, because we knew so little. | ||
| As time went on, we began to learn more and more, and it came to the point where, you know, way back when, you could be a jack-of-all-trades, master of all, because the only jobs were hunter and gatherer. | ||
| Master of both. | ||
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| Don't forget shaman. | ||
| Shaman. | ||
| But you, so you were, you were, you were, uh, let's say you were in your thirties. | ||
| So you are spiritually, physically, mentally, uh, at your peak. | ||
| And you're like, I am the best human there is. | ||
| Because we didn't know much, but eventually got to the point where we discovered, uh, mining. | ||
| Um, we, we used animal labor. | ||
| Eventually one person says I've dedicated my whole life to learning how to tame these beasts. | ||
| And some other guy said, I only learned how to grow these crops. | ||
| All of a sudden now the summation of human knowledge splits. | ||
| And it's only due to the fact there are more people able to support each other. | ||
| The more people we have, the more specialty jobs there are. | ||
| I watched this great TED talk. | ||
| Guy made a toaster from scratch. | ||
| I love referencing this. | ||
| He could not do it. | ||
| Plastic was impossible for him to make. | ||
| He had to quote-unquote mine it by digging up waste and then melting it. | ||
| All in all, he made the toaster. | ||
| It worked for about 20 seconds before frying out. | ||
| And he said, it's amazing how this toaster costs 10 bucks at Walmart, but a single person struggles to make it. | ||
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| There's a, there's a book. | ||
| I think it's by, um, Lydia, help me. | ||
| If you know, it's, it's, uh, no one knows how to make a pizza. | ||
| Mmm, isn't it by Julie? | ||
| Julie? | ||
| Well, I mean, no one outside of Chicago knows how to make a pizza. | ||
| It's a casserole. | ||
| It's not a real pizza, but... The idea is that all of the elements of a pizza come from so many different places. | ||
| That's why we have a conquest, a big part of it. | ||
| Right, I started thinking about this in terms of, to simplify the whole discussion, think about a meal like a Pad Thai. | ||
| The amount on American Pad Thai, sugars, fats, oils, the rice noodles, the meats, if you're gonna put squid in it, how all of these things come from all over the world, or maybe even chicken tikka masala. | ||
| To us, it's like you go to the store and you're like 15 bucks and they hand you the bowl, but all these ingredients come from regions all around the planet, especially in winter, where the chickens might come from the north, the tomatoes come from the south. | ||
| The more people we have, the more unique things we can create, like spaceships. | ||
| I think about this a lot when people try to tell, like hippie dippies in L.A. | ||
| would always try to tell you about the natural diet that they're on. | ||
| And you're like, yeah, what's the natural diet? | ||
| Whatever it was, they were describing a way of eating to you that no human being who lived in nature could have ever accomplished. | ||
| And certainly not in winter. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, we evolved only to eat, like, kale. | ||
| Tempeh. | ||
| Tempeh. | ||
| Well, I think the issue is... I think overpopulation is an issue mostly in density. | ||
| And I had this conversation with Michael Malice, because I think you've got to get to the nuance of things. | ||
| Often these arguments don't explore the deeper issues. | ||
| And I said, I think overpopulation is a problem. | ||
| You've got dead zones in the Gulf. | ||
| You've got garbage patches. | ||
| You've got the windshield phenomenon. | ||
| Populations are in decline. | ||
| And all of these things seem to be tied to, you know, pollution. | ||
| To which Michael Maus responded, yeah, but that's an issue of density in cities. | ||
| And I'm like, I'll absolutely accept that. | ||
| Because I think that's the root of it. | ||
| And I'm willing to say, you know what? | ||
| Perhaps the solution is people shouldn't live so close together in concrete blocks that smell like sour milk. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| But it's also... | ||
| There are so many problems with cities in terms of our politics and pollution, but there's a bigger issue here. | ||
| The better point you're making, in my opinion, is that as more and more humans are born, more and more complexity is added to humanity. | ||
| And that complexity actually drives things like innovation. | ||
| So, yes, you get a spaceship, but you also get, uh, uh, you also get, like, super wheat. | ||
| Like, Al- Alex Barlow- Barlow is the name of the guy who invented- Norman Borlaug? | ||
| Norman Borlaug, thank you. | ||
| Norman Borlaug. | ||
| Uh, you know, the reason that we have more people now, and we can eat, unlike what they predicted in the 70s, is because we innovated. | ||
| Because now there was a need for something that didn't need to exist before that. | ||
| So, yes, the more people you add to the world, The more complexity is added to the world, the more problems are added to the world, and the more potential solutions are added to the world. | ||
| For instance, colonized space, yes? | ||
| Yeah, and pestiolopsis. | ||
| There's a mushroom that'll break down plastic and turn it into sugar, which you can actually eat. | ||
| It's called pestiolopsis microspora. | ||
| And if enough people know about that, we can recover like what Boyan Slat's doing in the Pacific with the garbage patch. | ||
| He's actually recovering it. | ||
| Break it down and eat it. | ||
| You can alloy it with it. | ||
| You can turn it into chemicals and things. | ||
| Can I real quick point? | ||
| we did an interview with Ben Shapiro and Ian really shined in his moment because | ||
| Ben mentioned on a lecture that these these Charts and predictions about climate change never consider | ||
| mitigation factors to which Ian enlightened Ben on carbon capture graphene production | ||
| I've been adaptive technology that will eventually what you can do is you deposit carbon dioxide onto a palladium | ||
| copper alloy And then at at some point we're gonna be withdrawing so | ||
| much carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere and producing graphene this new building material | ||
| that will actually be competing with trees. | ||
| And if we don't do it right and start now and start organizing, we're going to overcompensate and start starving the trees of carbon dioxide. | ||
| So we're going to eventually work together. | ||
| Ian's view of it is more of a global cooling perspective, because people don't consider the new technology that comes out that could actually threaten the inverse, which is Graphene is this wonder technology that Ian never shuts up about. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| And, you know, I got him a little vial for Christmas the year before last. | ||
| But production requires carbon capture. | ||
| And that means we might start mining carbon dioxide from the atmosphere to make graphene, which is like a super material. | ||
| It can be manipulated in many ways. | ||
| It's like a superconductor. | ||
| Supercapacitor. | ||
| It's a conductor. | ||
| It's like a touchscreen wallpaper you can make out of. | ||
| You can make clothing that's like a touchscreen computer. | ||
| Batteries, wires. | ||
| It sounds like hell. | ||
| I don't want to wear that at all. | ||
| It's pure carbon. | ||
| It's pure carbon. | ||
| It's organic. | ||
| In ten years, the conversation on climate change may be totally inverted to, these graphene companies are cooling the planet! | ||
| Well, we've seen it before, because the narrative was initially that the planet was cooling, and then it was that the planet was getting hotter, and then it's just that we have climate change, and so it can go in either direction. | ||
| Didn't they tell people to drive their cars as much as they could back in the day, like in the 70s? | ||
| You know what they'll say now, too, the libs and the alarmists will say, oh, the global cooling thing, that was just a brief media phenomenon. | ||
| No scientific institutes ever really pushed that. | ||
| I have half a chapter of my book just devoted to outlining every major scientific institute that was pushing this stuff. | ||
| They pushed it for years, and now they've completely memory-hulled it because it's inconvenient. | ||
| So of course it's going to happen again, of course they're going to go on the other Conservatives love post-apocalyptic stories like we love The Walking Dead, and I say we because I count myself among the people who loves things like The Walking Dead, but the truth is my worldview informs me that it isn't possible. | ||
| Not only that the zombie aspect of the zombie apocalypse isn't possible, but the entire idea of the complete collapse of human civilization is impossible. | ||
| Because we are humans and we innovate because if there really was a zombie apocalypse | ||
| I would be the god-king of zombie extermination and I would be looking up to Elon Musk who would be killing trillions | ||
| of zombies somehow Like we we are a highly highly adaptive species and when a | ||
| need presents itself We find ways to meet that need Elon did make a flamethrower. | ||
| I Love it | ||
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Maybe he knows something we don't about melting zombies. | |
| I discovered that that same flamethrower is terrific for melting Harry's and Gillette razors. | ||
| Was that the Elon flamethrower? | ||
| It was. | ||
| Of course Jeremy Boring was going to use the boring flamethrower in his video. | ||
| Yeah, so I, look, you know, my view on climate change is I have no problem when, you know, the establishment or mainstream narrative is that we're burning lots of fuels, it's resulting in a lot of carbon, it's warming the planet. | ||
| I say, okay, all of that follows as far as I can tell with logic, but I think Ben is right about mitigation factors. | ||
| And also, if you want to talk more about the heating up of the planet, it looks like there's evidence that we're still in an ice age, and that what happened 13,000 years ago was a comet shattered over North America and peppered the glacial continent, caused a global flood. | ||
| But we're still in the ice age, we just prematurely melted a bunch of the ice off. | ||
| So we're going to continue to melt the rest of the ice and warm. | ||
| Oh, that sounds terrible. | ||
| I want things to get polar. | ||
| I think it's interesting because when people talk about overpopulation, it's almost as if at the societal level, what we are in the West is that unbelievably wealthy couple with no children and who happen to be debating whether or not they can afford one. | ||
| It's just an unbelievable failure of optimism, ultimately. | ||
| It's funny, I was at a bar after I graduated college with my father and he was going around asking young people, are you optimistic? | ||
| And they would all answer yes. | ||
| And he'd say, do you want to have children? | ||
| Oh no, I couldn't have children. | ||
| I couldn't have kids. | ||
| And that stuck with me because people like to conceive of themselves as optimistic. | ||
| They like to say, I have an imagination, but then they're not interested in investing in the future that way. | ||
| And not only that, but they will actually, because it's okay, you know, if you're not married, if you're not in that position yet, but they will shame other people for having children and being optimistic and wanting to bring life into the world. | ||
| And that's a very ugly thing. | ||
| So my question is, If, you know, Elon Musk is the one guy on the other side of this, what's the motivation of people like... If Bill Gates is wrong, if all of these billionaires are wrong, why do they want less people? | ||
| You know, there was a great comment that Charlie Kirk made the other day, and everyone made fun of him for it, and it was so smart. | ||
| He said that tall buildings turn people into libs, and Media Matters made fun of him, and he said we need to develop horizontally more than we develop vertically. | ||
| And everyone made fun of him, except he's completely right. | ||
| Going back to the Tower of Babel into the present, there was a line that Chesterton observed. | ||
| He said, When you're in the heights of a building, of a really tall building, people look like insects. | ||
| Everything seems really, really small. | ||
| When you're down in the valleys looking up at great things, when you're on your knees praying, looking up, only then can you raise your eyes to heaven. | ||
| Only then can you raise your eyes to hope. | ||
| But when you're at the top of that building, you just feel like God and you're gonna act like God or what you think God is. | ||
| I think that's what happened to Gates and to all these other lunatics who are so anti-human. | ||
| Well, and it's funny because the left has this hyper-fixation on media critique, and I think it's good to critique media, but they'll take the most insignificant elements of a property and argue that it's influencing human behaviors in ways far more profound than I think a reasonable person would acknowledge. | ||
| But then when you look at architecture, which surrounds us at all times, they act as if it's ridiculous to even insinuate more beautiful architecture creates a more beautiful culture or results in better attitudes. | ||
| I hear what you're saying, Michael, but I guess my question would still be, even if they think they're God, why less people? | ||
| I mean, certainly if you were God, you'd want more. | ||
| Because they actually do see people as an impediment to nature, and they see nature as being supreme. | ||
| So you'll actually read these people say things like, Elon Musk is gonna go to Mars and he'll just pollute it the way we polluted the Earth. | ||
| With people. | ||
| Who cares? | ||
| He's gonna go mine an asteroid, the beautiful, natural, pristine asteroid, that the asteroid has zero value if there are no people observing it. | ||
| How dare you say that people, you're saying that people are supreme! | ||
| I'm actually saying that God is supreme, and that God made people, and yes, people are supreme today. | ||
| Real quick, real quick, just because I don't want to lose this point, have you guys ever seen or read Watchmen? | ||
| Watchmen. | ||
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| Was it a movie a long time ago? | ||
| About ten years ago. | ||
| The graphic novel is considered the better form, but there's an element to the story where Dr. Manhattan, who is the one being with godlike powers, but he's like, I am not a god, I can only see my own past and future. | ||
| He leaves Earth to go to Mars. | ||
| He's tired of humanity. | ||
| And he makes this big machine, clock-like. | ||
| And then there's this young woman he was previously in a relationship with who wants to talk to him. | ||
| He brings her to Mars and he says, look at Mars, it has existed this way for eons with not a | ||
| single human or life. | ||
| Would you say to me that this planet would somehow be better with a shopping mall or parking lots? | ||
| And then, ultimately what it concludes with is, he says to her, | ||
| you continually demand I see the world your way, but you refuse to see the world my way. | ||
| And so she lets him, using his powers, see her entire life, you know, basically from start to finish, the way he sees the world. | ||
| But in that moment, he sees her past. | ||
| And in her past, this woman's mother was almost raped by a man. | ||
| And then she went back to him later and conceived this daughter. | ||
| And Dr. Manhattan says, seemingly impossible. | ||
| A woman who had every reason to hate this man chose to love a man she should have hated. | ||
| And after all the billions of years and the energy all coming together, the only thing that exists is you. | ||
| I was wrong. | ||
| Miracles do exist. | ||
| It's you. | ||
| You've convinced me I'll come back to Earth with you. | ||
| And so, thinking about that line, brilliant writing. | ||
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| Alan Moore. | ||
| Alan Moore who wrote that. | ||
| Man, that guy's amazing. | ||
| But I thought about that and I'm just like, humanity is, each individual human is so insanely unique in the billions of years it took to create one person. | ||
| That person will never exist again, no matter how similar or, you know, they may be to another person. | ||
| Without people, it's a rock. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Well, I actually beg to differ. | ||
| This is something called the Blood Falls in Antarctica, and you'll want to pull this up. | ||
| As the glaciers have been melting and fresh water is pouring into the ocean, we're like, oh, it's going to create dead zones. | ||
| All of a sudden, this blood red water river comes pouring out of Antarctica. | ||
| No one knows what it is. | ||
| So it turns out it's iron. | ||
| Yeah, it's ferrous algae. | ||
| What it's doing is it's Uh, called, it's fertilizing the ocean. | ||
| It's something called iron fertilization. | ||
| When you introduce iron, iron oxide into the ocean, it grows plankton, which then allows food for fish. | ||
| And then you see a fish boom. | ||
| So the earth looks like it's preparing for us a flood, a freshwater flood by fertilizing ahead of time. | ||
| We're not alone here as humans. | ||
| No, but, but we're the only thing of value here. | ||
| The fish don't matter without us. | ||
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| Of course, we exist in nature, of course. | ||
| We're symbiotic in a sense with nature. | ||
| But nature was given to us by God. | ||
| The fish has no concept of the fishes. | ||
| There's no existential crisis for a fish. | ||
| Anything that we think about a fish, only we think. | ||
| The fish doesn't think it. | ||
| But the fear is that if the ocean were to flood freshwater, we'll lose our fish population and starve. | ||
| And it looks like the Earth is protecting us. | ||
| But that doesn't change Jeremy or Michael's perspective. | ||
| I would view it sort of from a more secular perspective. | ||
| You know, you can say we're gifted in nature by God. | ||
| I would look at it like... | ||
| The various forms of life effectively form a foundation for what humanity is creating. | ||
| That doesn't mean to say that I think humans are the superior, in this context, better than any other form of life, just that we're the most adaptable and smartest and more prone to survival, which from a secular perspective, the strongest survive and everything else functions as sort of support. | ||
| Even from a secular perspective, you'd have to say we're the only being on the planet that has a moral code of any kind. | ||
| So, in some sense, you could say, well, we're the most evil because we violate our moral code, and that's true. | ||
| A lion eating a gazelle isn't evil, it's just a lion. | ||
| So we both conceive of the concept of good and of the concept of evil. | ||
| All of that lives in humanity. | ||
| I wonder, do we see animals prey after they kill prey? | ||
| Prey, P-R-A-Y or P-R-E-Y? | ||
| Humans often... Prey before a meal. | ||
| Well, they'll pray before a meal, but it also stems back to after killing, giving thanks to what they have taken away. | ||
| A sort of acknowledging that they're receiving something else's life. | ||
| I mean, maybe there's a case I haven't heard of, of animals recognizing the suffering and the pain of some other animal that they have claimed their energy to themselves. | ||
| I just look at it this way. | ||
| For the entirety of life on the planet, you have this constant battle between evolution, or whatever your view is. | ||
| If a lion is trying to chase a gazelle, and it's too slow, it stars. | ||
| The gazelle becomes faster, so only the fastest lions make it. | ||
| And that's natural selection. | ||
| But then humans come along, and all of a sudden have a new ability, adaptation, through intelligence, through toolmaking. | ||
| And now nothing can compete with us. | ||
| This means that of everything on the planet, we are the ones able to leave the planet. | ||
| We are in complete control of the planet. | ||
| We have dominated the planet in every way, and it's not a moral judgment on the value of life at all. | ||
| It's just a mathematical equation. | ||
| Well, and it's a great responsibility, too, because if we abuse our stewardship of the planet and of all the creatures, Then that's, I think, intrinsically wrong, and that would also be very bad for us. | ||
| So it entails a lot of responsibility. | ||
| But to this point here of, really, humans are kind of what it's all about on Earth, we don't prosecute the lion when the lion eats the gazelle. | ||
| It would be absurd to do that, and that's why they're not open to this transcendent moral order. | ||
| Different question. | ||
| If someone owned a gazelle and a lion jumped in and ate the gazelle and then fled, would we go after that lion, track it down, and kill it? | ||
| Probably, if he were gonna come back and eat another one. | ||
| I don't think so. | ||
| I actually think that if someone had a ranch in, you know, the Savannah, and they had gazelle and a lion broke in, ate the gazelle and left, they'd be like... I'd go kill that lion. | ||
| If I had other gazelles. | ||
| Knowles has a very angry, wicked soul. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When you look at ranchers, for example, in Montana, who have a problem where, you know, wolves, you know, who've been reintroduced in the population, start eating their livestock, They have to defend their livestock. | ||
| They defend their livestock because of the word live. | ||
| The more important life isn't the life of the stock, it's the life of the stockholder. | ||
| So they're defending themselves. | ||
| We get mad when Westerners go over and kill lions in Africa, but the local tribes are pretty happy about it because they have to live with those lions. | ||
| My question is, do we hunt down those wolves, or do we create preventative measures, or do we seek retribution? | ||
| Right, I'm not trying to get vengeance on the wolf, but I am trying to solve the problem. | ||
| Well, the reason I bring this up is because in the instance where a human kills a human, we hunt that person to the ends of the earth to lock them up or, in many circumstances, depending on the severity of the crime, put them to death. | ||
| I'm not convinced we do that to the same degree with animals. | ||
| I would kill the last panda bear on Earth to save the most reprehensible human on Earth, even though there are 7 billion other humans on Earth. | ||
| That's a great point. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because the life of any human is superior to the life of the entire species of panda. | ||
| Now, does that mean that I don't think we have a moral obligation to be good stewards of the Earth, or that I think we don't have a moral obligation to look after the panda? | ||
| I'm not heartless. | ||
| I'm not Matt Walsh. | ||
| I don't mean the panda harm. | ||
| But I am saying that, you know, Dennis Prager has been asking this question literally for 30 years now. | ||
| Every year, he asks, if your pet dog were drowning, In the same river current where a total stranger is drowning, which one would you save? | ||
| And he says, 30 years ago, everyone said the stranger. | ||
| And today, the majority of everyone says their pet dog. | ||
| That's a great question. | ||
| Is that good or is it mental illness? | ||
| It's not good. | ||
| Would they save their painting, their wealthy painting, or their foreigner they don't know? | ||
| This is interesting because I actually tweeted something. | ||
| Let me see if I can pull it up so I can pull up the results. | ||
| Oh yeah, that poll. | ||
| Yeah, because I was thinking about something similar. | ||
| Let me see if Twitter... Okay, yeah, definitely Twitter can pull this up. | ||
| Let me get this poll for you guys. | ||
| It's an interesting question. | ||
| In line with this, I am scrolling down, and here we go. | ||
| Would you kill someone to stop them from killing your pet? | ||
| 77.4% said yes, 22.6% said no. | ||
| I would, but I don't think that these are related. | ||
| They're not unrelated questions, but they're not the same question. | ||
| Killing a human to stop them from committing a barbarous act against you, as a proxy, your pet is a proxy for you in that situation, is different. | ||
| Would I kill someone who was starving to keep them from killing and eating my cow? | ||
| No. | ||
| Would I kill the intruder who breaks into my home and as an act of evil is going to kill my dog? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He has forfeited, in my view, he has forfeited his life because of his act of evil. | ||
| Not because the life of a pet is superior to the life of a man. | ||
| That's a distinct question. | ||
| I agree too, and I think the instance here with this question also implies that, you know, my view of this question is not that you're like, I want to kill this person, it's they're seeking to cause harm to me, my life, perhaps your pet is more than, maybe it's your dog you need for your farm. | ||
| The point is, it's not that you want to kill the person. | ||
| No. | ||
| It's that you're put in a situation where they're attacking you. | ||
| And it's that people exist in a moral framework that animals don't, and he is in violation of the moral framework. | ||
| This is, I think, an incredibly important question generally about human beings, is at what point is someone outside of the law, right? | ||
| That's what outlaw actually meant historically, that you're no longer subject to the protection of the law, you've forfeited the protections of law because you've acted in contravention of them. | ||
| But again, if someone broke into my house and my house caught fire, and I had to make a distinction a decision of | ||
| who will I go in and save The man who was committing a bad act or my dog | ||
| I would have an obligation probably to save the man But if the same man were trying to kill my dog, I would | ||
| have the right to kill the man Yeah, well, this is just real quick is to say that it's a | ||
| fascinating point because I Hope everybody really thinks down deep about the love they | ||
| have for their pet their dog their cat turtle, whatever And then imagine seeing a stranger in a current screaming for help and you being like, I ain't saving that person. | ||
| I want to save my pet. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| I think of that question and I'm like, wow. | ||
| You know, I'm thinking of my pet, you know, our cat Bocas. | ||
| Everybody loves him. | ||
| And if I saw Bocas frantic in the water and I saw someone I didn't know, I'd go for the person. | ||
| And then I would be tearing at my heart that my pet died. | ||
| Yes. Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, but Jeremy is correct when he says it is not the same question. | ||
| I answered that yes I would because someone who is willing to kill a small, in my instance it is a cat who loves me very much like a dog, if someone were willing to kill an animal then you have to ask what else are they willing to do? | ||
| Which would inevitably, I would think, extend to humans, which is something that I think would be better without, the world would be better without. | ||
| But again, too, I think the main issue and the nuance of the question is Typically, in any circumstance of defense, you don't want to kill someone. | ||
| You want to stop them. | ||
| By the way, I would also kill my dog, whom I love very much, if he were attacking a child who I didn't know. | ||
| Yeah, so I want to make this point, and that's part of the difficulty with the framing, is just sort of the nuance of self-defense. | ||
| Self-defense isn't about saying, I want to kill this person, or I have a right to kill this person. | ||
| It's saying, I have a right to stop this person if deadly force is necessary, and they die. | ||
| That's unfortunate, but it's an unintended consequence. | ||
| What if there's like a thousand people that are dying of starvation that redirect your water supply because they need to survive? | ||
| Do you go kill them? | ||
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| Do you just die? | ||
| Well, do I die? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Yeah, what would you do? | ||
| The question is, am I dependent on the water supply as well? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Oh, yeah, I'm taking my water supply. | ||
| Yeah, well, if it's what's required to support yourself and your family, then it's different. | ||
| Even if they don't know who you are, and as far as they're concerned, they're just innocently redirecting water? | ||
| I'd probably just take the water back. | ||
| We're taking it to an extreme and saying, were there other options? | ||
| Were there diplomatic options for resolving the question? | ||
| Yeah, clarifying if there's no malice involved. | ||
| They're just doing what they need to do to survive. | ||
| Like you said, stealing the cow, killing your cow to eat it. | ||
| Well, but Ian, it's simple. | ||
| You just go and explain to them, then. | ||
| There's no malice. | ||
| You say, I'm really sorry, but this is the water that I need to survive, and you're hurting me. | ||
| And then if they choose to escalate and aggress upon you, then you've got a situation. | ||
| What if they just say no? | ||
| Now they're killing you. | ||
| So this is actually very interesting. | ||
| In almost all modern sci-fi, If humans go to another planet- Earth dies, the last spaceship full of humans goes out into outer space, we land on a planet, and we bring some sort of disease or something to the planet, and now there's a battle between us and the native people on the planet. | ||
| The morality of every modern piece of fiction says, in the end, we have to lose. | ||
| We have to lay down our lives because we didn't belong here, this wasn't our place. | ||
| But that's actually not the correct moral answer. | ||
| The correct moral answer is, if I take my family to another planet, and I'm an existential threat to the people of that planet, they're an existential threat to me. | ||
| I have a right to defend my life and the life of my family. | ||
| I am not asked to subordinate that impulse, not only impulse, but that right, simply because my existence is a threat to somebody. | ||
| Well, plus they're aliens, right? | ||
| I mean this only half. | ||
| Flippantly? | ||
| They're aliens. | ||
| Slaughter the aliens. | ||
| I don't give a damn. | ||
| They're foreigners. | ||
| Right? | ||
| I mean, if we're talking about, you know, really then we're talking about questions of colonialism, and it's the same answer today. | ||
| The explorers, the conquistadors, you know, they were terrible, awful people. | ||
| Cortes should have lost. | ||
| And it's an important example, because Cortes is one of the most incredible, great men to ever walk the earth, who took down a demonic empire called the Aztec Empire that slaughtered 80,000 people Women little babies children in the span of four days by | ||
| ripping they're still beating hearts out of their chest and kicking down a pyramid | ||
| so, you know the particulars matter there and you can actually judge the the | ||
| moral question on These the particular people in the particular time and what | ||
| they're doing. Why do you think Jesus didn't rouse his followers to fight back? | ||
| Well, he does say at one point. He says sell your cloak and go purchase a sword | ||
| We've discussed this on the show before. | ||
| Do you think it's just propaganda that he never really let himself get caught and killed? | ||
| No, that Jesus isn't, Jesus is not a political figure. | ||
| He's almost the only figure in human history who didn't, who isn't political in the sense that the work that he was here to do Well, he's the king. | ||
| I mean, he's the king. | ||
| King of kings. | ||
| At the time, he challenged the political power structure of the time. | ||
| But he was primarily challenging the authority of man over the soul and the authority of death over man. | ||
| The battle that Christ was here to fight was a battle against sin and death. | ||
| Well, that's a great point, Jeremy, because actually, that is, in this ultimate sense, the political battle, because the only political power that anyone has is the fear of death, and Christ conquers it on the cross. | ||
| Is there anything you would sacrifice yourself for, or your family for, if God called it, or whatever? | ||
| For Christ. | ||
| Well, and not only for Christ. | ||
| It's very easy to imagine a world where you are called into conflict, called into combat. | ||
| Many in our generation were. | ||
| They laid down their lives for their ideals, for their family, for their country. | ||
| There is a noble place for all of that. | ||
| It doesn't, though, mean that you have an obligation not to defend yourself. | ||
| I would go so far as to say those Aztec, who were horrible, evil, demonic, I'll grant you all of that language, they also had a right to defend themselves against Cortes. | ||
| So in an ultimate moral sense, I agree that Cortez was in the more moral position. | ||
| They should have just laid down their arms. | ||
| But yes. | ||
| Let me expand upon this conversation. | ||
| If there was a rapid and your wife was caught in it, but, you know, equally distant was a child, who would you save? | ||
| It's not my child. | ||
| Not your child. | ||
| My wife. | ||
| Would you agree? | ||
| No, I would save the child. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| I'm not bringing it up because I think there's an answer. | ||
| I'm just curious. | ||
| It's an impossible question. | ||
| I had this debate with my aunt when I was a young man. | ||
| I said, if your husband and one of your children were drowning, which would you save? | ||
| And she said her husband. | ||
| I was somewhat outraged at the time, but now I realize it's just an impossible question. | ||
| Just the point real quick is when Ian asked, what would you sacrifice your family for, you would sacrifice your family to save the life of a child, or a member of your family. | ||
| I also, I don't know, you don't know what would happen in a situation, but I have mentally attempted to prepare myself to lay down my life for a stranger. | ||
| Like if I were in a 7-11 and someone came in and started robbing people, would I put myself between the gun and an old woman who I don't know? | ||
| Or a young woman whom I don't know. | ||
| I don't know, I don't want to claim virtue that I don't possess, but I've tried mentally to prepare myself for the fact that it would be my, I believe, moral obligation to lay down my life for a stranger. | ||
| What concerns me is that some people, and this is maybe... This is an interesting thing for me to say, but that some people are evil, and some people are good, and some people are... If you would sacrifice your good wife for some evil child that you don't know, it turns out... We're all evil, aren't we? | ||
| Well, first of all... Evil child. | ||
| No, no, no, you continue. | ||
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| I think a part of the difference between the answers is that Knowles' wife told him she's gonna be watching a show tonight. | ||
| Of course! | ||
| I would say, my wife, honey. | ||
| There's a great sketch in this scenario of a guy being like, I'm sorry, honey, I have to save the child. | ||
| And then when he pulls the kid out, you don't see the kid's face. | ||
| But then when he puts the kid down, it's got a Hitler haircut and a mustache. | ||
| He's like, what have I done? | ||
| The reason I ask is because are some people better than others? | ||
| Are some people more valuable to the species? | ||
| I do believe that that's true. | ||
| And for whatever reason, maybe the other person's toxic. | ||
| Maybe they've eaten toxic foods. | ||
| Maybe they were raised poorly. | ||
| But if you don't know ahead of time, Yeah. | ||
| In a triage situation, right, the example we keep using is this acute emergency. | ||
| There are two people in the rapids, in the current drowning. | ||
| You're not in a position in that situation to make a moral determination between the individual and the other individual. | ||
| You're making fairly broad distinctions. | ||
| Don't you think though that you have a as a head of household as a husband that you your primary responsibility | ||
| in that situation even if you would lay down your life for the stranger I I like to think that I would at least that | ||
| you have a responsibility of loyalty and as the head of your household to go for the wife before the stranger even | ||
| if it's a little baby Hitler and and and arguably to well arguably to with your wife you can have more children. | ||
| So that's it's tough question. | ||
| Yeah again it's an impossible question. | ||
| I'm interested in what Michael saying that you certainly as a husband as a head of a house you have an obligation a | ||
| moral and spiritual obligation to your wife. | ||
| At the same time, I believe that my wife would want me, would want to sacrifice her life for the child as well. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Not Elisa. | ||
| She's a killer. | ||
| She'd kill the kid herself. | ||
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| Hear me out on this. | ||
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| You're standing in front of a rapid and there's your son being swept away. | ||
| And equally distant is a dog. | ||
| But, it's got a bag strapped to it that says, cure for cancer on it. | ||
| Now! | ||
| Well, how do I know some pretentious dog owner didn't just put that there so that we would want to save their kid? | ||
| You know, it's so weird that we're having this conversation right now, because I was asked this question at Yale about three days ago. | ||
| A kid walks up and he says, to end world hunger, would you fillate another man? | ||
| It's me and Senator Cruz is there, too. | ||
| You're both like, yes, without question. | ||
| Yeah, obviously. | ||
| Where do I sign up? | ||
| But I had an answer right away. | ||
| I mean, obviously the kid was just trying to get some laughs, but it actually is a simple question. | ||
| It gets down to a basic ethical question, which is, do good ends justify immoral means? | ||
| And then apparently the Yalies were confused that I thought that particular act was immoral. | ||
| We'll get to that later, maybe. | ||
| I'm like, why? | ||
| But it's a really basic question in ethics, and the answer is no. | ||
| Good ends do not justify immoral means. | ||
| Then you can justify anything. | ||
| And probably the premise in all of these cases is absurd and won't pan out that way. | ||
| So if it's, do I save the human person, or the dog, that maybe the dog will magically lead me to cure cancer, you always have to pick the human, even if the dog actually will lead you to cure cancer. | ||
| Yeah, it's interesting. | ||
| I suppose if you knew, you're the scientist, you've been part of the team, you have the cure for cancer, you put it in the bag so the dog could guard it, somehow both things are now in the river, that in that situation you've taken ambiguity out. | ||
| You're not saving the dog, you're saving the cure to cancer. | ||
| In other words, you're allowing the person you love to die because of a belief about the lives of thousands or millions of humans. | ||
| That is a different That's a different moral. | ||
| You think ideas or technologies are more valuable than human life? | ||
| I want to address what you said. Choosing to save one or the other are both moral acts. | ||
| It's just a difficult one. In your analogy, you have a choice between an immoral act for | ||
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| I mean, in the act itself, so not merely, you're not saying the act here is, I am going to cure cancer, but, you know, and obviously we're in a slightly absurd scenario, but if you're saying, I'm saving the dog that does have this real 100% cure for cancer, or you're saving the child, I'm not convinced that those acts are of equal moral weight. | ||
| I think you'd still go for the child. | ||
| I also agree, I agree a whole lot. | ||
| I don't think you're saving the dog. | ||
| You're saying you're saving information? | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I want to clarify. | ||
| Let me clarify. | ||
| What I'm saying is, if you were just to save a dog or save a person, | ||
| they're both moral acts. They're not equal. | ||
| The human, obviously, should be saved. | ||
| But, if it was like, kill the dog to cure cancer or save a child, | ||
| it's like, well, don't take the immoral act of killing the animal. | ||
| Right? | ||
| But then, to take it even further, then we're really saying, okay, would you save your child or a million people who aren't your child, right? | ||
| That's what you're saying. | ||
| When you say you're gonna cure cancer, you're saying a million strangers or your child. | ||
| And in that case, I think it comes back to the same rule that I had. | ||
| Although, God chose the million people. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| God allowed his child to die for the salvation of many. | ||
| To quote a great man, better that one man should die for the nation. | ||
| Yeah, that's true. | ||
| It's actually a very good point, Jeremy, but I still don't think in that case, if I am the head of my household, am I supposed to sacrifice my son? | ||
| God stays Abraham's hand. | ||
| That sounds like a test of God if you found yourself in that situation. | ||
| I just, I have a hard time believing that you've all forgotten the economic motivation here to having the cure for cancer. | ||
| All right, all this, oh, I would save the dog because I care about humanity. | ||
| No, you want to sell the cure. | ||
| No, you're right. | ||
| And then clone your kid with all the money you make. | ||
| You're like, I've got enough money, I cured cancer. | ||
| You want to take the cure and say, I'll destroy it if Big Pharma writes me a check every year. | ||
| As a Richie Rich, let me just tell you that if I had the kind of money that came from curing cancer, I would probably just drown kids for sports. | ||
| It is Ecclesiastes, like, nothing can satisfy, nothing brings me joy. | ||
| No, I just drowned children. | ||
| Jeremy, you've been rich for four days. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know, man. | ||
| The Markita side was right. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It seems like there is a utilitarian aspect to this because if you're willing to save information or technology and let people die as a result, then it's like, where does the line draw there? | ||
| How many people would you let die for the greatest technology? | ||
| So now we're kind of back at the first part. | ||
| And I think that's why Knowles is giving me the base principle here. | ||
| Because if you just reject utilitarianism and consequentialism and all that, then you're never confused. | ||
| What's a good number? | ||
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| Yeah, 42. | ||
| That's the meaning of life. | ||
| Wow, that's tough, man. | ||
| The ends don't justify the means. | ||
| I'll never accept that because there are no ends. | ||
| This is what we hear from Antifa and these lying media manipulator and cult members is that if we just be evil now, it will be good later. | ||
| But it's like, bro, it's always now. | ||
| It is always now. | ||
| I think that's idealistic in that working out, the ends do justify the pain of the workout. | ||
| No, but the pain of the workout is intrinsically good because it's strengthening. | ||
| And you're putting yourself through, often, strain. | ||
| You're causing yourself harm for a better end. | ||
| You're sacrificing for more. | ||
| We're talking about, would you take a drug to make yourself better? | ||
| Well, no, you're hurting yourself. | ||
| You're causing yourself problems. | ||
| it is it is the ultimate pagan offering is to is to offer the blood of the | ||
| innocent for prosperity right those Aztecs who pulled the still beating | ||
| hearts out of 80,000 women and children were essentially doing it so that the | ||
| crops would grow and when Planned Parenthood slaughters 60 million babies | ||
| in this country amen they're doing it so we can make a little bit more money oh | ||
| women are poor oh women aren't gonna be able to fry for themselves if they | ||
| murder their own children and spill their innocent blood they will be and so | ||
| I I ultimately think that anytime we ask these questions at the root we're | ||
| actually we're actually asking do we need to quench the thirst of Malik or | ||
| something yeah let me pull up the story we have on that note from the Daily Mail | ||
| Ron DeSantis signs law banning abortion after 15 weeks. | ||
| Republican says, we are here to defend those who can't defend themselves. | ||
| So we also have another bill here. | ||
| This is from, uh, oh, that's the wrong story. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| Kentucky lawmakers override Governor Beshear's vetoes on abortion, fairness, and women's sports. | ||
| We're seeing across the country. | ||
| Many states are just saying outright Roe v. Wade is no longer relevant. | ||
| They're just passing the laws. I think Oklahoma made that bill which outright makes abortion a felony. | ||
| Well, but Colorado passed a law or Colorado's governor passed a law this week or proposed a law | ||
| that says abortion all the way up until the moment of birth which also | ||
| says that Roe v. Wade doesn't matter. Because Roe v. Wade disallowed | ||
| allows that very same concept. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So on both sides, at both political extremes, Roe v. Wade, because Roe v. Wade was a nonsensical | ||
| ruling in the first place, it can't actually play out consistently, so nobody does. | ||
| You want to break down Roe v. Wade for us? | ||
| I don't think we've ever actually got into the nitty-gritty. | ||
| Well, I don't have my magnifying glass to find the emanations of the penumbras that | ||
| of the penumbra that entails this constitutional right, but it's just a nonsense | ||
| entails this constitutional right, but it's just a nonsense decision that came out in | ||
| decision that came out in 1973 that said because of a vague generalized right to privacy and | ||
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| the vague emanations of the penumbra, abortion's nowhere in the text. | ||
| And if it is anywhere in the text, it's in the 14th Amendment and it prohibits abortion, | ||
| but because we don't want to deal with it anymore, it created this fictional right to | ||
| an abortion, and ever since then the pro-life movement's only grown stronger. | ||
| You had it come back again in 1992 with Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which created a different | ||
| justification for abortion, because again, as Jeremy said, it's not in the text, and | ||
| so you come up with this new justification, which focuses more on the trimesters and viability, | ||
| and that doesn't make any sense because with new technology, babies are now viable at a | ||
| much earlier stage. | ||
| And so right now, just to put on my Nolstradamus hat and predict the future here, we do seem | ||
| to be at the first spot versus Wade where the court I think is likely to overrule Roe. | ||
| And the reason I think they're likely is because, from the oral arguments, 1. | ||
| You've already got Clarence Thomas. | ||
| You've already got Alito. | ||
| It seems like you got Kavanaugh. | ||
| It seems like you got Barrett. | ||
| It seems like you got Gorsuch. | ||
| There you go. | ||
| 5-4. | ||
| You don't even have John Roberts yet. | ||
| If Roberts joins the court's libs, and it's 5-4, Clarence Thomas writes the decision. | ||
| And man, that decision is going to be good. | ||
| So I think Roberts, to preserve the integrity and legitimacy of the court, and actually to water down, as much as he can, the way that they would overrule Roe, I think he has to join the Conservatives. | ||
| So then you get a 6-3 decision. | ||
| This can't be right. | ||
| Bill Maher said that Republicans didn't want any black Supreme Court justices. | ||
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| This concerns me. | ||
| I think if they do try to make abortion illegal that you're going to see a large uptick in miscarriages. | ||
| And what I mean by that is women accidentally falling over on purpose and landing on their stomachs until the baby's dead. | ||
| It's terrifying. | ||
| I just don't see... I don't think you can ever stop women from killing a child they don't want. | ||
| But you can reduce the number. | ||
| Yeah, and I don't think that's bad. | ||
| People are like, you want women going into back alleys and putting their lives at risk? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Also, overturning Roe doesn't make abortion illegal. | ||
| This is the great lie of the left, is, oh, they're gonna overturn Roe, and no woman will be able to get an abortion, if only. | ||
| But that's not actually what will happen. | ||
| What happens when they overturn Roe is it basically becomes a states' rights issue again. | ||
| And as you can see, between the laws in Florida and the laws in Colorado, federalism is alive and well in this country. | ||
| Even 15 weeks puts you just on average with the most liberal democracies in Europe. | ||
| No one allows abortion the way that we allow it in this country. | ||
| No one except the Chinese and the North Koreans allows abortion. | ||
| And the Canadians. | ||
| Yeah, and the Canadians allows abortion the way that we do in this country. | ||
| So, to push it back to the states is an enormous victory. | ||
| In fact, the Democrats are saying right now that while they still control the House and the Senate and the presidency, they should ensconce abortion in federal law. | ||
| So that even if Roe is overturned by the court in June, you still won't be able to do anything about abortion. | ||
| Unfortunately, I don't think they have the votes in the Senate to accomplish that. | ||
| And on this point of the back alley abortions, this is one of the biggest lies from the abortion movement. | ||
| It's literally a lie. | ||
| It's a lie. | ||
| I mean, so one of the guys who came up with the lie, Dr. Bernard Nathanson, one of the founders of NARAL, he came out and he said 5,000 women a year, or at least some people say 20-30,000 women a year, died from back alley abortions before Roe. | ||
| He admitted they just made up the number. | ||
| We actually have the number. | ||
| The government kept the statistics. | ||
| In 1972, the year before Roe vs. Wade was decided, 39 women died from back alley abortions, illegal ones. | ||
| 24 women died from legal abortions. | ||
| And what's even crazier is, when you look at the breakdown of states where abortion was legal versus illegal, your likelihood of dying in an abortion was basically the same, whether it was legal or illegal. | ||
| That was in the early 70s. | ||
| It would obviously be much lower now. | ||
| Yeah, so we actually did an educational breakdown of this on a Freedom Tunes video a couple years ago, but basically in the 1930s you had something like a bit over 2,000 women who had died and been counted statistically as deaths from abortions and miscarriages, but that number decreased significantly after the advent of the widespread availability of penicillin. | ||
| It was an issue of women not getting antibiotics. | ||
| Take a look at this comic. | ||
| I saw this recently. | ||
| I think I saw it earlier today on Twitter. | ||
| But can we pull that up? | ||
| There you go. | ||
| Red states to blue states. | ||
| The next refugees. | ||
| Women. | ||
| Women. | ||
| What they fail to ever bring up in this conversation is how many women are pro-life. | ||
| I believe the majority of pro-life people in the country are female. | ||
| And this is huge because the left never got the cultural shift that they wanted after | ||
| Roe v. Wade. | ||
| So as you mentioned, 60 million unborn children have died. | ||
| Of course, that's not enough for them. | ||
| They would rather that number was much higher. | ||
| And when you look at how long ago the Supreme Court made its decision on the question of | ||
| homosexuality, that was what, about 10 years ago? | ||
| And look where our culture is now. | ||
| I mean, we've taken that almost to its furthest extreme, but not quite yet. | ||
| It's very unpopular to say anything against gay marriage. | ||
| It seems a large population, a large percentage of the population believes in it. | ||
| But if you look at the abortion decision, what, this is 50 years ago, and still half of the population is adamantly against it. | ||
| I bring this up with New York. | ||
| They recognize 31 different genders, but by law they recognize any possible gender, and gender identity is defined as essentially self-expression. | ||
| So when the arguments first come for gender identity protections, everybody says, we know what this means and what the intent is. | ||
| There's a famous story about, um, when they outlawed public drinking in New York, that one of the, you know, city council members or whatever said, let this law never be construed to say a construction worker can't enjoy a beer with his lunch. | ||
| Sure enough. | ||
| That's exactly what it means today. | ||
| So in New York, when they say we want to protect trans people, we all say, we totally understand that we don't want people to be discriminated against. | ||
| And then what happens is the law is tested and someone will say, it says self-expression. | ||
| That's how you defined it. | ||
| I hereby challenge this and say, my self-expression is that I can wear a clown costume into work or, or a first You know, there's an abortion tie-in here, too. | ||
| One of the main drivers of transgenderism in the culture is that second abortion case, Planned Parenthood v. Casey, in which the romantic poet of the court, Anthony Kennedy, said that at the heart of liberty is the ability to define our own concept of existence, of the mystery of life. | ||
| Scalia mocked it as the sweet mystery of life passage. | ||
| I don't even have to say this. | ||
| You don't have the right to define your own concept of existence. | ||
| No one has that right. | ||
| You don't have the ability to do that either. | ||
| You have a responsibility to accept reality and live in reality. | ||
| But if Kennedy grants you that, well then it's just self-expression, right? | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| This is my trailer, my rules. | ||
| From now on, you will address me as God King. | ||
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| Capital K. But in all seriousness, I mean, if you're extremely wealthy, you know, Elon Musk or Jeff Bezos can go to their company and say, from now on, you must address me as this, and I suppose if you're powerful enough, you can make people do what you want them to do. | ||
| The Mad King, right? | ||
| I mean, that's where they go. | ||
| Yeah, that's right. | ||
| It's also bizarre that, like, a legal scholar could determine that the law is about self-invention. | ||
| Isn't it the exact opposite? | ||
| It's about placing constraints on people? | ||
| You know, I think you can define reality the way you want, but you're subject to the consequences. | ||
| You can say that there's a rock right there and I can go hit the rock, but it's Tim, it turns out. | ||
| And I'm gonna suffer mad co- But I might still psychotically have defined it improperly. | ||
| That's still my right as a human being. | ||
| I know, this is my big problem with the whole conversation about It's awful! | ||
| Transhumanity at the moment, which is if a if a man says that he's a woman | ||
| He legally is a woman if a man says that he's a carrot and I eat him. They still put me in prison. It's awful | ||
| Discrimination a better example is the man who filed a challenge to his age and said if biology is | ||
| Self-identity that then I can identify as younger and they said no you can't do that | ||
| And I and so I've talked was talking talked about this before where I you know, I talked to several civil rights | ||
| attorneys in New York about the limits of this and they said that you did the | ||
| judiciary exists to interpret the law in If you tried to, say, pull a fast one or challenge to absurdity, they'll throw you out. | ||
| I completely reject that notion. | ||
| That you could be a biological male, 6'3", 220 pounds, you know, muscular, and identify as a woman, put on a dress, go to a court, and the judge is not allowed to mock you. | ||
| The judge must accept you under the law. | ||
| But if you put on a fursuit, Under the same exact provisions in the law, you are protected. | ||
| That the clothing you wear cannot be discriminated, the name you choose. | ||
| So, I am Volciferon, Herald of the Winter Mists. | ||
| This is my identity. | ||
| A judge can laugh at you then. | ||
| I understand there is a distinction. | ||
| The argument is that in modern culture, we recognize transgenderism as a legitimate issue, and we mock furries. | ||
| But I reject the premise because eventually what we see is people will test the limits of the law, and eventually, in one generation or two, a judge will say, it does say that! | ||
| Who am I to say no? | ||
| Test the limits of not only the law, but reason itself. | ||
| Like, I think of myself as a magnetic being, for instance. | ||
| Not everyone has to agree... I say that about you all the time. | ||
| Thank you, Michael. | ||
| You as well. | ||
| Not everyone has to agree with me on a daily basis, and if I stray too far from reality's observation of what I am, they're gonna think I'm a psychopath and put me in, like, a psych ward. | ||
| So you can self-identify however you want, but you cannot bend reality. | ||
| I don't know if there's an objective reality, but this is... But how do you do it, then, in practice? | ||
| Because this seems to be the middle ground that people try to find is, Look, I don't care how you self-identify in your own mind, but just don't make me participate in it. | ||
| But the whole point of identity is so that you can be identified. | ||
| We live in a society, we live in a political community. | ||
| How on earth can you, unless you're just doing it in your basement at night, yelling to nobody, how can you have that right to a delusional identity and not infringe on my right to reality? | ||
| Jesus Christ. | ||
| I believe he was a real man, and he truly believed that God was flowing through him, which it was, and people did not like it. | ||
| And he was like, well, I have a choice to make. | ||
| I can either denounce this and pretend like I'm not, or I can be honest and let reality do what it will with me. | ||
| And depending on how truly you believe it, you have to make that decision. | ||
| But yeah, but the premise there is Jesus is God. | ||
| Is God. | ||
| We were told. | ||
| I was told. | ||
| I don't know him, but I think he was. | ||
| Ian, that was a very Trump answer. | ||
| I was told that. | ||
| I was given that information. | ||
| A lot of people are talking about it. | ||
| I just want to make this point about, you know, this sort of self invention and coming up with your own identity. | ||
| My only question is, to even get to that place, how much time do you have to spend just thinking about yourself? | ||
| Isn't that already really obnoxious? | ||
| There are many people who, you know, I can't remember who told us this story that Someone in their class kept changing their identity. | ||
| They didn't know. | ||
| And one week, they're like, this is who I am. | ||
| Then a week later, they're like, no, my name's Owen. | ||
| Now, the next week, they're, no, it's Clyde. | ||
| And it's just like, if, if it's, if there's no identity, then it can be anything at any time. | ||
| And there's no legal definition. | ||
| There's no legal distinction. | ||
| Not to get too theological here, fellas, but isn't, look, teenagers do that all the time, right? | ||
| Teenagers, that's sort of the definition of being 13 years old as you try on new identities. | ||
| I'm goth now, I'm a rocker, whatever. | ||
| And it's because they're immature and juvenile and they're coming to some concept of who they are. | ||
| At the burning bush, God tells Moses, my name is I Am. | ||
| I Am that I Am. | ||
| That's a name. He's saying I am being itself. And your identity must be in me for you to make any | ||
| sense. I am the divine logic of the universe. I am being. | ||
| When you find your identity in I am, things make sense. When you ignore that and turn away from | ||
| I am at all times throughout every society in all of human history, things start to go pretty | ||
| kooky and you're left with a pathetic question which is, who am I? Changes by the day. | ||
| I want to go back to abortion real quick because I'm thinking about this here I am, you know surrounded by more religious individuals who are much more staunchly pro-life and And so be careful. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, I've always said I was pro-choice, and I think one of the issues is that when you actually break down the absolute nuance of the argument, well, then it's like, what does pro-choice and pro-life really mean? | ||
| And I think the pro-choice people typically do not understand, or there's not enough complexity in the argument. | ||
| So, for instance, we were talking with Matt Walsh. | ||
| He argued that abortion is the intentional act of killing a child. | ||
| And I'm like, right, I think that's wrong. | ||
| But I think there are circumstances where a medical procedure would be done that would remove a baby from a mother, and that's where the nuance comes in. | ||
| So ultimately the conclusion was, if you have to do something for the sake of the mother that would result in the child being removed, you just don't try to kill the child. | ||
| And I said, interesting. | ||
| I don't think the pro-choice left understands the right's position on that. | ||
| I think, first of all, there's a real problem with the left's argument on pro-choice in that it is a scientific fact that life begins at conception, and any argument otherwise is illogical. | ||
| It makes literally no sense. | ||
| If you want to get to an authoritarian-libertarian argument on medical choices for private individuals, that's where I'm kind of at. | ||
| But then the argument never actually addresses the true stance that you guys might have or that Matt Walsh brought up. | ||
| In that, oh yeah, absolutely do the procedure to save the mother's life and try and save the baby too. | ||
| And I'm like, well yeah, of course. | ||
| Oh, you're saying they shouldn't just kill the baby afterwards. | ||
| Well, I agree with that. | ||
| I don't think most pro-choice people understand that's what you're saying. | ||
| I don't think they understand much of anything about pro-life and I'm not saying that to be a jerk. | ||
| I was pro-abortion for 10 years in my teenage years. | ||
| Pro-abortion? | ||
| This was during his goth phase. | ||
| It was during my goth rocker phase. | ||
| Pro-choice. | ||
| Pro-Aztec. | ||
| I guess I would have said pro-choice, but I grew up in New York, surrounded by liberals. | ||
| I went to a very liberal college, and I just thought conservatives wanted to control women's bodies. | ||
| That's all I knew, and so I thought, I'll cut taxes, but I don't want to pro-life. | ||
| You used to be cool, man. | ||
| What happened? | ||
| Man, I was smoking doobies and stuff. | ||
| I was like Elon Musk. | ||
| Were you like Elon Musk? | ||
| Yeah, well, hold on. | ||
| Some like Elon Musk. | ||
| And then I had a conversation with a woman bioethicist, and I made all these stupid utilitarian arguments as to, well, you know, all the freakonomics arguments. | ||
| Well, abortion, it stops overpopulation, and it lowers all these sorts of social pathologies. | ||
| And she said, oh, okay, Michael, so which one of your arguments For, you know, lowering crime and welfare dependency. | ||
| Which one of your arguments is not an argument for killing young black men in inner cities? | ||
| It's the same argument, right? | ||
| And I thought, oh, yikes! | ||
| I don't like that. | ||
| And I thought about it more deeply and I realized, oh, they're not just evil people trying to control women's bodies. | ||
| Maybe there's actually something to this idea that a baby's a baby and we shouldn't kill it. | ||
| You know, I said it's a scientific fact that life begins at conception, and I just have never understood any logic, in any circumstance, even when I wasn't listening to more pro-life, nuanced arguments, that, you know, I think, I think, was it Vosch who said, when he was asked by Charlie Kirk, when does life begin, he says, I don't know, sometime after birth? | ||
| I think that's what he said? | ||
| Yeah, that's what he said. | ||
| And I'm like, well that can't make sense. | ||
| Wild. | ||
| I think of it as life beginning at conception, but at what point is it a human Ah, we don't know. | ||
| Well, it's not a giraffe. | ||
| It's not a platypus. | ||
| It is human life. | ||
| The real question is, when is it ensouled? | ||
| And the answer is, we don't know. | ||
| It is possible that we could discover that life does not begin at conception. | ||
| You know, I know a lot of people... I'm sorry, not that life does not begin at conception, which of course it does. | ||
| Not that human life doesn't begin at conception, which of course it does. | ||
| But that the insolement of a child does not begin at conception. | ||
| The Bible is not clear about this. | ||
| There's an argument for wrestling in the womb, and some pro-life likes to use that. | ||
| But there's also the breadth of life. | ||
| I mean, there are real questions about, to the extent that it is unknown, though, what | ||
| are we left with? | ||
| We're left with the things that we do know. | ||
| That life begins at conception. | ||
| That the life conceived is a human life. | ||
| That's what we can measure. | ||
| That's what we can know. | ||
| That's where we have to actually make our decision. | ||
| And to the extent that those things are knowable and that we do know them, in my view, therefore, we're left with no other conclusion but to protect that life. | ||
| You know, that's a good point, Jeremy, and it raises the question of, all right, so how certain are you? | ||
| What are you willing to risk? | ||
| You 3% sure that you're gonna kill 60 million babies? | ||
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| But there's also, sometimes you'll hear the pro-choice, pro-abortion people say, well, in the Christian tradition, they actually had carve-outs for some abortions. | ||
| And they always cite St. | ||
| Thomas Aquinas, who's a very important doctor of the church. | ||
| And Thomas Aquinas, it seems, at least at first glance, to be a little unclear on this question. | ||
| Between what he considers to be, you know, the first step of the baby being made, there's some period of time before the baby is ensouled. | ||
| But it's based on really ignorance of Thomas Aquinas, because Aquinas is using Aristotle's physics, he's using Aristotle's understanding of biology. | ||
| Not his fault, not Aristotle's fault, they didn't have modern sonograms, and so what they believed was that the sperm acted on the blood and produced a vegetative soul, but there wasn't really anything even resembling life until the quickening, and you had this distinct human being, and we just know now That isn't true. | ||
| We know that the sperm and the egg come together, they cease to be what they were, and they become a unique human life, and they're growing. | ||
| And so, it's no knock on Aquinas or Aristotle, but by their own logic, life starts pretty much just right at conception. | ||
| And also, if I'm not mistaken, the official position of the Catholic Church is that the person is in soul, that fertilization. | ||
| I think it's the heartbeat, personally, because that's when the magnetic field begins to become produced. | ||
| I think Jeremy hit the nail on the head. | ||
| We're left with what we know. | ||
| Life begins at conception. | ||
| And every argument I've ever heard, and I welcome any more pro-abortion, pro-left, pro-choice, whatever they want to say, to have this discussion, because I do feel it's like, here's a pro-choice onslaught, essentially. | ||
| I mean, a pro-life onslaught. | ||
| Scientifically, just what is life? | ||
| A unique set of DNA? | ||
| And I've heard all the arguments and ultimately, you know, you say, um, you know, you know, mention, you know, when does it? | ||
| I can't remember. | ||
| When can you discern that it's a human? | ||
| Well, so, you know, the argument's been made a million times. | ||
| If a person is brain dead, is it still a person? | ||
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| Well, of course it is. | ||
| And so, there's the question of how many grains of sand make a heap. | ||
| Sure, but there's still sand there. | ||
| The process of creating the heap started when you began trickling sand, you know, onto the ground. | ||
| If we want to say, at what point does it become a person? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| At what point is it a human life? | ||
| Since the beginning, when the process begins to create the human life. | ||
| I like the ensouled question. | ||
| If you look up the human magnetic field, Taurus, you see this, that the heartbeat itself is producing on a magnetic field around the human body. | ||
| I think that that magnetic field's interaction with the Earth's magnetic field, and maybe the solar magnetic field, and even the galactic, is producing this God consciousness. | ||
| But isn't the soul metaphysical? | ||
| Meaning, so magnetic forces are acting on the physical world, but isn't the soul, in order for it to be the soul and not to be the body, doesn't it have to not be physical? | ||
| It has to be—I say of the soul that it's the intersection of the transcendent and the material. | ||
| So to the extent that you're describing the material, perhaps, expression of the soul, that might very well be true. | ||
| I'd be curious if the proto-heartbeat produces a magnetic field, which to our current question would be a really important one. | ||
| because you know the cells begin pulsating as a heartbeat before the heart is actually formed | ||
| in utero which is part of the part of the whole kind of conflict about heartbeat laws right is | ||
| what is actually the heartbeat but I think your magnetic field thing is actually really fascinating | ||
| and we should look and see if there's if the proto heartbeat produces the field as well okay | ||
| there's no I I really don't feel like pro-choice exists anymore | ||
| And I think it's become a shield for what is overtly pro-abortion. | ||
| The reason is, I grew up with a family that said abortion was wrong. | ||
| But there are circumstances where it's not the position of the government to intervene in a private medical practice and it becomes scary in certain circumstances. | ||
| We were a pro-choice family. | ||
| We voted Democrat every step of the way. | ||
| And the conversation was always, it's a terrible thing that exists. | ||
| And nowadays, that's not even the argument. | ||
| The argument is women, who cares? | ||
| Lena Dunham said she wished she had one. | ||
| Safe, legal, and rare. | ||
| Remember all that back in the Al Gore days? | ||
| Not that long ago. | ||
| Not that long ago. | ||
| And this is what's been happening. | ||
| Now it's shout your abortion. | ||
| Shout your abortion. | ||
| Right, yeah, exactly. | ||
| And you get an abortion and you get one. | ||
| And Lena Dunham said she wished she had one. | ||
| And she was like, you know, I do all this advocacy and I just feel bad because I didn't and I'm just like, Did you see this tweet the other day? | ||
| This woman tweets out a cake. | ||
| Yes! | ||
| And the cake said, it's a boy. | ||
| And then she crossed out the Y and wrote, urchin. | ||
| And it seems like this was legit. | ||
| And she said, look, I just had my abortion. | ||
| And abortion is a really traumatic thing to have. | ||
| And it's why you've got to surround yourself with love and friendship all the time. | ||
| And celebrate it. | ||
| And the question, of course, that naturally follows is, why is it traumatic? | ||
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| If it's something to be celebrated, what's so traumatic about it? | ||
| Well, kind of like working out is traumatic to the muscles, literally, like you're inducing trauma so it can regrow stronger. | ||
| Yeah, well, I don't think the baby regrows stronger, right? | ||
| I mean, if she's speaking about it, she's speaking about it emotionally, right? | ||
| That it creates a trauma. | ||
| Is the idea that the abortion is an edifying thing and therefore we should have a lot of them to get much stronger? | ||
| That's right. | ||
| This is a great conversation. | ||
| It's philosophical, it's religious, it's legal. | ||
| I want to focus back on the legal, though, just for a minute. | ||
| Because a lot of people listening now know that the court is going to make a decision in June, and they may not know exactly where they are on some of these philosophical questions. | ||
| They may be, you know, persuaded by the Catholic view, they may be persuaded by the pro-choice view, or the magnetic view. | ||
| Oh yeah, I can go deep on that. | ||
| But the legal question is what's before us, and what the left likes to do in these moments is to get people to hyperventilate with all these hyperbolic kind of statements about what's going to occur. | ||
| So just, I think the key things I would want people to leave with are overturning Roe v. Wade | ||
| does not make abortion illegal. | ||
| Overturning Roe v. Wade gives the states the right to make abortion illegal. | ||
| And I doubt that very many states would do it. | ||
| Yeah, there are some. | ||
| I doubt that very many, even conservative states would go all the way to saying that abortion | ||
| must be illegal in all cases. | ||
| I think that the most likely thing is that you'll see a radicalization in blue states | ||
| where we basically get rid of all the constraints of Roe v. Wade and Casey on viability | ||
| and other sorts of standards. | ||
| And you can essentially kill babies after birth, which is actually a thing that happens. | ||
| I think on the other hand, you'll have a few states that outlaw abortion. | ||
| I think you'll have many states that take up more of a European standard, | ||
| which would at least reduce the most horrific instances of abortion, | ||
| where babies who can actually feel are being dismembered so that they can be | ||
| extracted from their mothers. And in that world, the cartoon, Tim, that you put up with the refugees, | ||
| well, I think that's an asinine statement that all women are going to. | ||
| There actually will be more voting with your feet. There'll be a further kind of | ||
| balkanization politically of the country. I happen to think that that's a good thing. | ||
| I'm really interesting. What I'm really annoyed by in all of this is that we've come to the point | ||
| where in Virginia and in Colorado, it's like a full term baby can be aborted. And it's just like that. | ||
| You know, this is why I say life begins at conception as a fact, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can't abort a baby at eight months because it could be taken out and just placed on a table and it will live. | ||
| You're literally just executing it and they call it an abortion. | ||
| As soon as the conception occurs, there's a unique set of DNA and that's all you really need. | ||
| I accept that if we look at a single cell on Mars and say it's life, we can look at a single cell in a woman and say we have life. | ||
| It's the argument pro-life people often bring up that The scientific community says they found single cells here. | ||
| Is it life? | ||
| But they won't say the same thing of a human being. | ||
| I accept the scientific reality of a unique set of DNA. | ||
| The problem is, as I mentioned with my family growing up, the left's stance now is, if you are pro-choice, you are on board with unfettered access at any point to some of the most disgusting procedures of killing babies. | ||
| And I'm not talking about the right-wing perspective of You know, on day two of, you know, a fertilized egg, you're killing a baby. | ||
| I'm saying, imagine that you are a Democrat and the baby is... or a gazelle. | ||
| He would deliver the babies and then kill them. | ||
| There's a guy right now, Cesare Santangelo. | ||
| Yep, in D.C. | ||
| The story just broke. | ||
| He's done this to at least hundreds of babies, probably thousands of babies. | ||
| We're talking full term or nearly full term. | ||
| In some cases, almost certainly, we're actually born first and then he's killing them. | ||
| He's the worst serial killer in America, and no one wants to say his name, just like Gosnell. | ||
| Because the process of abortion for... the process of late-term abortions is... they just kill the baby, which could survive on its own. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And the other thing is... and Michael alluded to this... | ||
| Technology is part of this conversation. | ||
| Because the age of viability gets younger and younger and younger as we get better and better and better at medicine, at medical procedures. | ||
| It's very conceivable that one day you'll be able to extract a zygote out from a woman and put it in some sort of pod and raise it up until it's able to breathe on its own and get a driver's license. | ||
| So the question is, like, even if viability is your standard, what does viability mean? | ||
| And they'll say, well, viability means when it can survive on its own. | ||
| Two-year-olds can't survive on their own. | ||
| Well, let's go to Super Chats. | ||
| Can I just make a point? | ||
| I want to ask you guys how we're using these terms. | ||
| I want to make sure I didn't make an inaccurate statement earlier. | ||
| But when we use conception versus fertilization, are we using these interchangeably? | ||
| How are we differentiating? | ||
| I'm using them interchangeably. | ||
| It's important to the Aquinas point, because Aquinas would have said that abortion begins at conception. | ||
| The question is, how long does conception take? | ||
| Life begins at conception. | ||
| That is an important distinction. | ||
| We just know now, because of medical advancements and technology, we know that fertilization and conception, and the sperm and the egg going away, and the new life beginning, that they are the same act. | ||
| It's a new life. | ||
| It's an independent DNA set that begins replicating. | ||
| And it may never even implant. | ||
| The entire life of that new, distinct DNA life form may be a matter of hours. | ||
| But for those hours, it was a distinct life form. | ||
| A human, and we believe that a human has value. | ||
| Well, that's the definition. | ||
| Is it human life? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm not comfortable saying yes at this point. | ||
| When people say, you know, I hate the sophistry on this one, when they say, oh, well, sometimes, you know, it won't stick and it'll be washed away or it'll be removed from the body or whatever, and I'm like, yeah, no one killed the life on purpose. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Sometimes people have heart attacks and die. | ||
| We don't seek out, you know, nature and be like, ah, we're gonna... | ||
| Well, let's go to Super Chats and read what the audience has to say and the questions you guys have. | ||
| Smash that like button if you have not already. | ||
| Subscribe to this channel. | ||
| Share the show far and wide if you do like it. | ||
| And, um, let's read what y'all are talking about. | ||
| Oh, yeah, go to TimCast.com and be a member. | ||
| We have that member segment coming up in just, uh, about 11 p.m. | ||
| or so. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Oh, here's a good one. | ||
| Saki's Red Landing Strip says, Yeah, he was. | ||
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Real nice, Buster. | |
| Real nice. | ||
| You can make it up to me by buying Speechless, controlling words, controlling minds, and paperback in June. | ||
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Yeah, yeah, Klaven was busy, busy not being invited on the show tonight because we had Knowles instead! | |
| It's a good one. | ||
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We love you, Clavin. | |
| FindMyGeisha says, I know that Michael believes in regulations on the Second Amendment, and Tim does not. | ||
| I am in Tim's camp, but would like to hear a debate on the difference. | ||
| I think I'm learning something new about my political philosophy. | ||
| So why do you want to take my guts away? | ||
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I was going to say, maybe Clavin should have come on tonight. | |
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| I can't think of a... I mean, I don't think that individuals should be allowed to possess nuclear weapons. | ||
| That's pretty much the only limit I've got. | ||
| Well, hold on. | ||
| Do you think people have the right to bear nuclear arms? | ||
| I would restrict that right. | ||
| I would. | ||
| But do you think they have the right? | ||
| No, I don't think so. | ||
| But the Constitution says the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. | ||
| It does, yeah. | ||
| But, you know, one aspect of my view of the world... See? | ||
| Yeah, got me. | ||
| No, one view of my politics is I'm not merely looking at the text on the page, whether to interpret it in the Wacky, kooky, modern leftist way, or even in the supposed originalist way, because there are different versions of originalism. | ||
| There's original intent, there's original public meaning, which is what Scalia was a big proponent of. | ||
| I take into account the American tradition. | ||
| I think that the tradition matters. | ||
| I think the way these laws have been understood over time matter, and so I've never seen the right to keeping a nuclear arm privately recognized, so I'm fine to let that one go. | ||
| Well, that's because they stole it. | ||
| Corsairs and privateers were commonplace. | ||
| Private man-o-war with grapeshot could level a coastal town. | ||
| It was owned by a guy, the East India Trading Company. | ||
| The Founding Fathers believed we were allowed to have cannons. | ||
| They had multi-barrel. | ||
| So at what point did we say the government has the right to keep and bear arms that we do not? | ||
| Well, certainly by the point of the development of nuclear weapons. | ||
| I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you that you could have privateers, and I'm all for sea shanties, so sign me up. | ||
| I'm all for people having cannons or whatever they want. | ||
| So, I think the real distinction is, I'm not saying people should have nuclear weapons. | ||
| And I think I agree with you. | ||
| I think, as I stated on the episode when we talked about this, where the left took it out of context to try and claim I believe, to try and claim I said they should have nukes. | ||
| I said, I think we could all come together on this one and actually amend the Constitution to say, except nukes and biological weapons, I think most people would be like, yeah, we're cool with that. | ||
| But it is worth pointing out, when we talk about the Constitution, there's two separate things we're talking about. | ||
| There's Capital C Constitution, which is that piece of paper, and then there's the lowercase c Constitution, which is how the government actually works. | ||
| And so, I love the sheet of paper, I'm all for the Constitution, I'll defend my constitutional rights, tooth and nail. | ||
| But we also have to accept that the way our government works is not merely dictated by a piece of paper, but the way we live it, and we've lived it for centuries. | ||
| And if we deny that reality, we're not going to get very far in politics. | ||
| My point was that right now, individuals under the Constitution do have a right to keep and bear any arm. | ||
| Period. | ||
| That the Constitution protects that right. | ||
| If we don't like that, and I think most people wouldn't, it has to be amended. | ||
| You can't just one day wake up and say we've all agreed to the Constitution. | ||
| Does it, though? | ||
| I mean, we practically don't have that right now. | ||
| You're right that the text doesn't say that, and we haven't had to change it. | ||
| I'm inclined to agree with you, Tim. | ||
| Well, Michael, what you're saying is true. | ||
| I wish that it were not. | ||
| I think that we are supposed to be governed by the Constitution with a capital C, and that if there are things about the capital C Constitution we don't like, we're supposed to amend the Constitution, and that the real problem is that we've moved away from the entire concept of enumerated rights. | ||
| So even the fact that we're talking about the Second Amendment As though that's the guarantor of our right to bear arms. | ||
| Even that is a misrepresentation of the founding intent, which was that Congress didn't have any right enumerated to them to deal with this issue in the first place. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| And even further, you know, Scalia, he said, he interpreted the Second Amendment to mean that you could have any commonly held arms. | ||
| And where did he get this from? | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| He said he was a soft originalist, that he wasn't this hardline originalist. | ||
| And the fact is, I got to meet the guy when I was a student, and we were all asking him about the Bill of Rights, and he said, who cares about the Bill of Rights? | ||
| What protects your rights is not the Bill of Rights. | ||
| What protects it are the institutions that the real guts of the Constitution set up, which have been changed and, I think, decayed over time. | ||
| And so, when I'm talking about the lowercase c Constitution, I just mean, as a practical matter, the way that we're actually going to maintain our rights and our liberties and our traditions is by the way that we live, by the way that we're actually governed. | ||
| The very fact that administrative agencies make all of our actual laws now is something that we have to grapple with. | ||
| That's the way our Constitution works. | ||
| It's not just a bill up on Capitol Hill. | ||
| Alright, let's read some more. | ||
| We got Christina H. who says, Well, there you go. | ||
| They want one second after. | ||
| Have you guys heard of that? | ||
| about a small town trying to survive if the US is hit with an EMP attack. | ||
| Excellent shows this week, y'all. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Looking forward to Miss Cooper tomorrow. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| They want one second after. | ||
| Have you guys heard of that? | ||
| I've not heard of one second after, but we're making lots of movies and TV shows and kids | ||
| content and as Michael has shamelessly promoted his book, I will shamelessly promote the work | ||
| of The Daily Wire and say that we're busy building alternatives, cultural alternatives, | ||
| because not only are we not ultimately governed by the capital C Constitution, more's the | ||
| pity, we're not really even governed by the lower case C Constitution. | ||
| We're governed more than anything by the lower case C culture. | ||
| And more than that, even the technology that we have that allows us to formulate the culture. | ||
| Like, if someone can shut you out of the town square, you're not able to influence the culture. | ||
| Well, speaking of shameless promotions, Freedom Tunes is still not to 800,000 subscribers, and we released one of the best videos we've ever released. | ||
| Go over there and sub. | ||
| I just want to shout out Jeremy's Razors. | ||
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Go pick one up. | |
| Jeremy's Razors dot com. | ||
| Neil Sawyer. | ||
| I hate Harry's dot com. | ||
| I hate Harry's dot com. | ||
| Neil Sawyer says... That's why you want to nuke. | ||
| I'm just saying that it's strange that I've never seen Seamus and Ben Shapiro in the same room. | ||
| Use that information as you will. | ||
| Well, you might. | ||
| Someday. | ||
| Relatively soon. | ||
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| Here's the thing. | ||
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So if you're going to accuse me of actually being Ben Shapiro, that's actually ridiculously offensive, okay? | |
| Ben Shapiro is not nearly as intelligent or handsome as I am, alright folks? | ||
| And he knows it. | ||
| He knows it. | ||
| Fighting words. | ||
| Alright. | ||
| Oh, man. | ||
| You see, they're starting it again, and it's Michael's fault. | ||
| I was listening to a review of the show, and I heard Ben, and I thought it was you. | ||
| By the way, okay. | ||
| Alright. | ||
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Being second to Seamus in intelligence, it's not an insult. | |
| I'm not insulting Shapiro. | ||
| It's very high bar, okay gang? | ||
| They're starting it again. | ||
| I blame Michael for this. | ||
| Eric Miller says, Tim, you've heard of Hanlon's razor, but have you heard of Jeremy's razor? | ||
| To that which you can pay tribute to wokeness, you can pay tribute to freedom. | ||
| You can use that if you want, Jeremy. | ||
| How's the razor company going along? | ||
| Yeah, and you've heard of Occam's razor. | ||
| The razor company's doing great since I was last with you guys. | ||
| We've sold 30,000 more razors, and I think people are amused by the fact that we're having a good time actually building these alternatives and challenging the sort of leftist homogeny in our economy and in our culture. | ||
| And I think it's only the beginning. | ||
| What I'll say is, I'm gonna get incredibly wealthy by taking advantage of all the opportunities that the left gives us. | ||
| And they give these opportunities to us by act of hubris. | ||
| That they believe that they can take conservatives for granted and still cash their checks because conservatives have no alternatives. | ||
| But I'm not the only one who's gonna get wealthy. | ||
| There are a lot of guys out there. | ||
| Dan Bongino is, I think, a great one. | ||
| And there are more, I'm sure, on the horizon who we don't even know yet. | ||
| Who see all these opportunities being created and are going to seize them. | ||
| And I genuinely believe over the next decade we're going to create economic incentive for the left to actually not be able to take us for granted anymore. | ||
| Can I tell you something too? | ||
| I shave with a Jeremy's razor right now. | ||
| I previously shaved with a Gillette because I had ditched Harry's. | ||
| Before Gillette I shaved with a Harry's. | ||
| And Gillette was bad too because they're half trans now also. | ||
| But the Jeremy's razor is a good razor. | ||
| It is a better razor than the Gillette and the Harry's razor. | ||
| I thought it was the best a man can get. | ||
| get? I'd like to try one. Well, apparently not. All right. | ||
| Murph tries, says Tim. When will Chicken City be, uh, by the airport TV contracts? | ||
| Chicken City 24-7. Uh, I am, I am proud to announce today Chicken City netted $1,500. Well | ||
| done. | ||
| We reached 650 peak concurrent viewers on the channel today. | ||
| It's a 24-7 stream, so it's quite a bit for a new show. | ||
| We're at 29,000 subscribers, and we've consistently made over $1,000 on Chicken City every day. | ||
| I am very proud. | ||
| Chicken City is truly greater than CNN Plus. | ||
| Well, the funny thing is, CNN, with 10,000 daily active users, and with their 50% off price of $3 a month, Chicken City is on track to gross more than CNN Plus per month. | ||
| It's more informative content, too. | ||
| Well, the first thing I posted when it went live was, a person who watches nothing but Chicken City is better informed than a person who watches CNN. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| You know the quote from Thomas Jefferson. | ||
| All right, where are we at? | ||
| Let's grab, we got, we got, we got too many superchats, man. | ||
| Way too many. | ||
| All right, there's a lot of people saying, shout out, this is cool, cool, yes, all my favorite, all my favorite. | ||
| Willie Barron says, all my favorite people, Tim Cass and Daily Wire, heart attack, thank you very much. | ||
| Keep breathing. | ||
| All right, Evan says, great to see, Evan Boymel, great to see Knowles and the God King. | ||
| Elon is right, there is potential in Twitter, but it's essentially a rage chamber. | ||
| Transparency would be much, a much needed shot. | ||
| Favor. | ||
| Shout out my parody fighting game. | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| Celeb-U-Brawl. | ||
| Fight caricatures of celebs on mobile and have a blast. | ||
| Love the show and love the convo. | ||
| That does sound like a blast. | ||
| I'm in. | ||
| Yeah, sign me up. | ||
| Yeah, right on. | ||
| We have the screen zoomed smaller so we could fit more on and it's getting harder to read. | ||
| But, uh, here we go. | ||
| A free-thinking dog says, Chicken Marsala is Italian. | ||
| British food sucks. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Thank you for your two bucks. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Let's grab some more. | ||
| Joe Byrne says you can also create graphite by crushing coal into powder and microwaving it. | ||
| Supposedly, we could still use coal mines. | ||
| I think you mean graphene, though. | ||
| Well, you can actually upscale coal into graphene. | ||
| They're working on doing that with lasers. | ||
| So it's not going to supplant the coal industry like I thought before. | ||
| Hopefully we'll figure out how not to supplant the copper industry, because that's basically the last roadblock before inception. | ||
| Ian, how do you learn this? | ||
| I listen a lot. | ||
| I have a good memory. | ||
| I read a lot of science journals and talk to scientists. | ||
| I have a lot of friends that are scientists, like Jeremy Riss, the alien scientist. | ||
| Highly recommend his channel. | ||
| Very wise man. | ||
| So do you own any stock or business investments in graphing? | ||
| I actually went down to South America to start a graphing company in Santiago, Chile. | ||
| We had an investor, but it didn't feel right doing it in South America. | ||
| I want to do it here if we're going to do it. | ||
| When Ian started ranting about this, I found a company that produces graphene and I bought like 60 shares. | ||
| Nothing crazy, but I was like, alright. | ||
| There's this stuff called turbostatic graphene where you can hit it with lasers and create these wafers of it. | ||
| And then if you can somehow bend them 1.1 degrees and you can start to get this incredibly superconductive, you start to layer it at like 1.1 degrees, 1.56 degrees. | ||
| I think it's starting to make a 64 tetrahedron, like a two-dimensional tetrahedron shape, and we'll be able to conduct lightning through it and stuff. | ||
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| Yeah, if we can somehow use lasers to flash it into position, we'll just be able to create this mad awesome carbon. | ||
| This is interesting. | ||
| Brian Webb, in reference to Watchmen, says, Alan Moore regretted writing the comics because he claims that he broke the genre. | ||
| Maybe. | ||
| You know, I look at a lot of his work and it really added a lot of depth and philosophy and ethics and morals to comic books. | ||
| He was amazing. | ||
| Watchmen was brilliant. | ||
| The Bad Guy Wins, basically. | ||
| Excellent, excellent writing. | ||
| I loved the movie, too. | ||
| All right, Nevermore says, Michael, on your comment about tall buildings make people liberals. | ||
| I live outside of Portland, Oregon, and the tall buildings have always felt unnatural, dystopian, and depressing to me. | ||
| Yeah, this is an important point. | ||
| There was an obit in the New York Times the other day, and that's the only good part of the New York Times. | ||
| It was about this guy, Christopher Alexander, who is an anti-modernist architecture guy, especially in the 70s. | ||
| He hit his stride. | ||
| And he made a really simple point, but it's important, especially for conservatives to get, but really for all of us. | ||
| Any place you are is going to elevate your spirits, maybe just a little bit, or lower your spirits. | ||
| Any place. | ||
| That matters because we're in the physical world. | ||
| Conservatives used to get this so much. | ||
| Edmund Burke, who's kind of considered the father of modern conservatism, he was an aesthetic philosopher. | ||
| It actually, like, beauty and place and stuff, that actually matters to us. | ||
| And so if you live in some dystopian glass and steel hellhole, you're not gonna feel great. | ||
| Have you guys been to a castle? | ||
| A medieval castle? | ||
| I was in Scotland, in Edinburgh, and I think it was Mary, Queen of Scots. | ||
| I had a chance to go into her bedchamber, where she would get dressed, and there's a slit window. | ||
| You look out, and you look down at the people walking around. | ||
| It's humbling, because I was putting myself in her mind, thinking like, ah, my subjects. | ||
| And like, just what kind of ego that builds, to see these tiny humans. | ||
| But imagine being all the way, all the way up at the top of a skyscraper. | ||
| Just putting ketchup on your steak and eating your taco salads. | ||
| The best in the world. | ||
| There's the Family Guy joke where all the rich people are hanging out with Peter, and they're like in a plane or something, and then he's like, wow, look at the people down there. | ||
| They look like ants. | ||
| And Bill Gates goes, they are ants! | ||
| All right. | ||
| NYBSFP says, I'm confused why Jeremy would hunt down the last panda to save the life of the most reprehensible human, but two minutes later says he'd kill a person to save his dog because some people are bad, huh? | ||
| Yeah, because it's two separate questions. | ||
| Would I kill someone who is in the act of committing evil to preserve the thing that I ascribe value to, perhaps? | ||
| That's a separate, distinct question from, is panda life or dog life intrinsically more valuable than human life? | ||
| So it's just using, it's using examples to try to articulate two separate points. | ||
| You're killing a burglar in the dog example. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| You're killing a burglar. | ||
| I'm gonna take credit for this idea here. | ||
| Preston Witherspoon, thank you for writing it, but I'm just gonna take credit. | ||
| He says, Tim, please let Jeremy know if Daily Wire creates a platform like Netflix that streams regular movies and TV shows, millions of us would leave Netflix and stop giving them money. | ||
| Who needs Netflix originals anyway? | ||
| Did you guys realize that? | ||
| I think it's a great idea for your platform to try and make a streaming service with original content. | ||
| Which is exactly what you guys are doing. | ||
| I was thinking about it. | ||
| That is what we're doing. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| I think that it's humble. | ||
| Your statement is humbling, A, because we have. | ||
| We've released four feature films and we're releasing two documentaries next month. | ||
| We have two series in development right now and five kids series. | ||
| It's humbling because, A, despite our best efforts to market this idea, I think there | ||
| are a lot of people who don't know about it. | ||
| And B, even to the extent that you do know about it, and perhaps you do, what you're saying is we haven't reached a point of viability yet where this is worth your money. | ||
| And I understand that. | ||
| We certainly don't have enough content to make an offering to you on a straight value proposition level. | ||
| Anything like Netflix. | ||
| I mean, essentially, for ten bucks, you can come to the Daily Wire and watch four movies, or for that same ten bucks, you can go to Netflix and watch every movie and television show ever made. | ||
| We're aware of that distinction, but what we're basically saying is that the mission is part of the value that we're giving to our subscribers as well, and that the more people subscribe, the faster we'll get to that ultimate value proposition, where we have enough content, where it is well and truly Uh, worth your money. | ||
| I think it's worth it now because you also, in addition to that content I mentioned, you still get the Ben Shapiro show, the Candace Owen show, the Andrew Klaven show, the Matt Walsh show. | ||
| We throw Michael on there just for charity. | ||
| So you do get a lot of value from the platform, but I certainly recognize that we got a lot of work to do. | ||
| It's interesting if you start buying content that's going off contract at Netflix and Hulu, because on your platform, they're going to get a lot more attention being first in. | ||
| It's true. | ||
| The Order. | ||
| I liked that show. | ||
| It was like a teeny bopper, CW style werewolf thing. | ||
| And I was watching it and I was like, they're not making another one? | ||
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| I was enjoying it. | ||
| It was, you know, the TV was on. | ||
| But anyway, let me just say, I have an LG TV. | ||
| There's no OTT app for some of these smart TVs for Daily Wire and I wasn't able to watch it. | ||
| And then on our Sony TV I wasn't, I don't know if I'm just doing something wrong or if you guys are, you know, moving, are you gonna get the OTTs? | ||
| We're building OTTs actively right now. | ||
| The couple that we have, Roku and Apple TV, are getting improved because they, they're not at the level that we think they should be. | ||
| But yes, that's a place we're making very active investment right now. | ||
| And just because of the jargon, it means over-the-top. | ||
| So it's a reference to TV, smart TVs, Roku, Apple TV, so that on your TV you can just have the app. | ||
| So you can currently on Roku and Apple TV. | ||
| That's a product that will improve. | ||
| Samsung, Vizio, those are all in development right now. | ||
| I think you're a victim of your own success in that everyone is so eager and excited for the prospect of real content and good content that they expect you to have it instantly. | ||
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| You know, and I think a year you guys are going to be the snowball rolling down the hill with great speed. | ||
| So I'm excited for that. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Sure. | ||
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| What is this? | ||
| Prometheus says, make wearing swords fashionable again. | ||
| Ian, have you heard of borafine? | ||
| Daily Wire anime when, God King? | ||
| Would you like to answer first? | ||
| Not soon enough. | ||
| I think borafine, I've heard this is like the ninth time someone's told me about it in the last two weeks. | ||
| So it's boron. | ||
| It's similar to graphene. | ||
| I think it's similar structure, structurally. | ||
| But it apparently is incredible. | ||
| OrangeRed says, Tim, in the movie The Good Son, an aunt has to choose who to save, her nephew or her son. | ||
| Watch it. | ||
| Macaulay Culkin and Elijah Wood played the kids. | ||
| I think I saw that when I was real young. | ||
| And isn't like one is a bad kid and one's a good kid or something? | ||
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| And there's a whole debate between whether it's psychopathy and mental illness or just true evil. | ||
| Like you've got, you know, two kids that are in a river going down full speed and one's just a really nice, good kid who wants to help everybody, but the evil kid is holding the cure for cancer. | ||
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| And of course the evil kid has the cure for cancer, right? | ||
| How do you come across that? | ||
| He stole it from a lab? | ||
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| You're like, oh, I gotta save him now. | ||
| Because that evil kid is Big Pharma. | ||
| He's not going to give it to us anyway, don't save him! | ||
| Hold on, hold on, hold on, let me fix the scenario. | ||
| The evil kid and the good kid are both in the river, the evil kid has the cure for cancer, and you have a very powerful net gun that just so happens to fire two nets at the same time, tethered to a rope that will save them both. | ||
| That's what I'm talking about. | ||
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That's a moral dilemma. | |
| You're not bound by reality. | ||
| But one of them is ugly. | ||
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You shared it with the other kid twice. | |
| Two good kids. | ||
| No, we saved them. | ||
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We saved them. | |
| Of course. | ||
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All right. | |
| All right. | ||
| What does it say? | ||
| Zaka Inan says, no matter the impossible choice, no one gets out of this alive. | ||
| Love this conversation. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| It was good. | ||
| In the end, we all will meet our maker. | ||
| All right. | ||
| And maybe even during the process. | ||
| Lex McCormick says, You three Christian men, how can I hear God? | ||
| I am lost but seeking and am met with silence. | ||
| Other Christians tell me that evil seeks signs and wonders. | ||
| I hope I'm not evil, but I do wish God would speak to me so that I might know him. | ||
| As my priest said once in the introduction to a book, an evil generation looks for signs and wonders. | ||
| But a stupid generation ignores signs and wonders, and they are there. | ||
| The Christian view of the world is rich in symbolism. | ||
| But you're not going to be hearing a voice come out of the sky, probably, anytime soon. | ||
| Maybe you will, I don't know. | ||
| But where can you hear the Word of God? | ||
| Well, I've got two really simple answers. | ||
| They're not going to sound cool and mystical. | ||
| Go to church and read the Bible. | ||
| That would be a good place to start. | ||
| I just want to point out that I just think the idea that there is some greater power that created everything, that there's some kind of purpose to all this and that there are signs for us to see is completely absurd. | ||
| What makes more sense is that an advanced species created all of this for some purpose and that we're here for a reason and there are signs in the system. | ||
| Like a god-like species. | ||
| Right, right, like a god-like species. | ||
| Right, but not a god, though. | ||
| But, you know, or some, or... | ||
| Not like a god. | ||
| You make a great point. | ||
| Not a real god. | ||
| But we love talking about the... | ||
| Can I say something to that last question? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Because it's such an important question, and I always like to point out that if you read | ||
| the narrative of the Gospels, Christ went through the Galilee and drove out all disease. | ||
| It says that he went from village to village and healed everyone. | ||
| And this was his ministry for several years. | ||
| It culminates in the events that precede Palm Sunday last week with the raising of Lazarus from the dead. | ||
| He literally speaks into the tomb and calls forth Lazarus, who's been dead four days, in the presence of people who believe in him and people who don't believe in him. | ||
| And no one contested these miracles. | ||
| In fact, it says that the high priest, I referenced this line earlier but without context, that the high priest himself said after that, essentially, | ||
| it's better that one man should die for the nation, that, in other words, they began to plot to kill Jesus, | ||
| not because they didn't believe in the miracles, but because they did. | ||
| I say all of that to say, even people who literally heard God speak, | ||
| people who literally stood in the presence of God's Son, and watched Him call forth the dead to life, didn't believe. | ||
| And so I understand the desperation of non-belief, and I understand the longing that is in the human heart to hear God directly, that you might believe in Him, but it is a mistaken view. | ||
| If you did hear from God, There is absolutely no certainty that you would believe. | ||
| And so, the better thing to realize, I think, is that what God values most highly is faith. | ||
| And faith is the substance of things not seen, things not heard, things hoped for. | ||
| And so, in many ways, it's a great gift from God that we don't see and hear from Him, and that, instead, we're left with the opportunity to put faith in Him, which is an even more unsatisfying answer than read the Bible and go to church. | ||
| Until you realize the beauty of it. | ||
| That it is in faith that we can be saved, and not in certainty. | ||
| And in that way, it is quite a gift from God that we don't always hear His voice or see His face. | ||
| All right. | ||
| Our strike says, Tim, when I asked if you'd change your mind on possible fraud of Republicans, if Republicans lost midterms, you dismissed it and I felt disrespected. | ||
| It was a sincere question. | ||
| I did not dismiss it. | ||
| I'm sorry you felt that way. | ||
| What my point was, In 2018, I was adamant Republicans were going to win and win big, and then they didn't. | ||
| I didn't assume it was because it was cheated. | ||
| I assumed it was because I was wrong. | ||
| If in November the Republicans lose, I'm going to assume it's because I'm wrong. | ||
| If evidence emerges of direct actions, I will consider all evidence. | ||
| So the challenge I have, especially with like 2020, is We get stories about the campaigns run by Democrat politicians, the deals they cut with Republicans, Voter in the Park, the universal mail-in ballots that was recently ruled unconstitutional in Pennsylvania, and I say, all of that is just actual politics that resulted in a shadow campaign that saved the elections. | ||
| That's the best way you can call it. | ||
| I've not seen evidence of watermarked ballots or overt fraud to a degree where I'm convinced that's the issue at hand. | ||
| So even though I really do believe Republicans are on track to win, especially considering every poll and every outcry from Democrats, for one, there are many variables from now until today which I can't predict, and two, it's possible I'm not omniscient. | ||
| Just possible. | ||
| It's back to Occam's razor, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think this is right. | ||
| I say of 2020, I think that there is there is abundant evidence that the election was rigged. | ||
| There is not enough evidence that it was stolen. | ||
| And those are incredibly distinct. | ||
| Real quick, just to make sure we clarify that rigged in the sense that lawmakers got together a year in advance. | ||
| They passed new laws. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Voter, like we mentioned, the media literally suppressed stories that would be harmful to their preferred candidate right in that way it's like the referees were | ||
| only calling strikes on one side it would be like if if Jonathan and Isaac | ||
| Jonathan Isaac and I played a game of one-on-one that is a rigged game right I | ||
| am at a I'm at a pronounced disadvantage going into it that you can say that | ||
| it is unfair but it isn't cheating at that point that he makes all the | ||
| points it this is an There was a piece published in RealClearPolitics not too long ago from a very serious guy who had worked with the Department of Justice on election issues, and he believes that there is evidence, hard evidence, of actual stolen ballots in certain states. | ||
| He leaves the conclusion vague as to what this means for the overall election, but that would be, say, one piece of evidence. | ||
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Sure. | |
| Of the sort you're looking for. | ||
| But to your point, Jeremy, is that sufficient to do what? | ||
| In the political process, how is that going to overrule an election? | ||
| And the question of rigging and outright stealing, there's a distinction. | ||
| And like you, Tim, I'm open to that. | ||
| I've seen some evidence even using geolocation type data that is fairly compelling that there was some cheating going on. | ||
| I'm open to the idea that an election is stolen. | ||
| You just have to prove it. | ||
| I think there's two big things at play, and I think people don't want to believe them. | ||
| One is that I told this to Steve Bannon. | ||
| I said, I know people who are as dumb as a box of rocks with no business in politics. | ||
| They couldn't tell you who Ruth Bader Ginsburg was. | ||
| They don't know how many justices there are. | ||
| And they post videos of themselves voting. | ||
| They took away sports. | ||
| They took away video games. | ||
| They took away movies. | ||
| They locked people in their homes and told you it was Trump's fault. | ||
| And I saw people that never got political in my life, with nothing else to do getting political, It's also when people say, you believe that more people turned out to vote for Joe Biden than Barack Obama? | ||
| mail-in voting unconstitutional. I'm like, dude, it all happened above board. I think | ||
| you just don't want to accept it that for a year Republicans actually were working against | ||
| Republicans. | ||
| It's also when people say, you believe that more people turned out to vote for Joe Biden | ||
| than Barack Obama? And it's like, no, they didn't have to turn out. | ||
| They legally, they lawfully changed the nature of the election to, instead of having to go stand in a line, you had to check your mail. | ||
| So of course, when you make it that easy, there are going to be more votes. | ||
| That's why they wanted it, and it makes it harder for, it's an advantage for Democrats because of urban density compared to the disparate nature of rural Can I point out the problem of tallying votes with a corporation behind the scenes and people that people aren't transparently allowed to witness is a code red problem with our elections. | ||
| We need to see every vote on some sort of public database so we can verify our systems. | ||
| I agree. | ||
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Free to vote. | |
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