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March 14, 2022 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Netflix Hit With FOUR Felony Indictments Over 'Cuties' w/Libby Emmons & Kellie Keen
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lydia smith
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tim pool
Netflix has been hit with four felony indictments over the film Cuties because that film depicts children, pre-pubescent girls, in lewd adult activities.
And the strange thing is, and I suppose it's not strange to most of us, but one thing that's happening is that the establishment left and many left activists have been and are still outright defending this film as if
it should exist because they say it's a critique.
The strange thing is you can critique something without actually doing it.
Imagine someone doing drug and saying, don't look at me, I'm just critiquing heroin.
That doesn't quite make sense.
But where it gets interesting is that these felony indictments come from a grand jury,
meaning a district attorney showed the film to people and asked them if they thought it was a crime.
And these people said yes.
And now Netflix is facing four felony indictments.
So I think that's interesting as to what the media tells us versus what regular people think.
So we're gonna talk about that.
We got obviously a bunch of stories about what's going on in Ukraine, but sometimes the war talk is just, we get it, there's a war, and it's all everyone's talking about, but we will.
The View, earlier today, I think it was earlier today, called for, effectively called for the arrest of Tulsi Gabbard and Tucker Carlson for pushing Russian propaganda.
That's how insane everything's gotten, so we'll be talking about all of that.
And we have two guests joining us today.
First, we have Kelly J. Do you want to introduce yourself?
unidentified
Hi, I'm Kelly J. I am a women's rights campaigner from the UK.
tim pool
Right on.
Is there anything people would have known you from or anything you focus on specifically?
unidentified
Yeah, I focus on the word woman specifically to keep it for women.
I got a billboard taken down in the UK in 2018 that had the dictionary definition of the word woman.
Which is?
And it was removed for an adult human female.
Who knew?
And it got removed for hate speech.
tim pool
What?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Okay.
Well, so we have a lot to talk about.
Interestingly, we have a couple stories out of Ukraine, where one story is about a trans woman who is not allowed to leave because a trans woman is male and men aren't allowed to leave the country.
I know YouTube is going to hate the language, but I'm just trying to describe it.
And the other story is a trans man who put on feminine clothing to be able to escape the country.
So it's an interesting... So we'll get into all that stuff and then obviously it'll lead us into a lot of what's happening with Ukraine.
But we also have Libby Emmons hanging out.
libby emmons
Hey, glad to be here.
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm the editor-in-chief of the Postmillennial.
Glad to be back, everybody.
tim pool
Right on.
ian crossland
What's up, everybody?
Ian Crossland over here from iancrossland.net.
I'm actually working on my Brave browser right now and setting up my Brave search engine.
If you haven't done that yet, you can flip over away from Google or DuckDuckGo and set up your Brave search engine.
It's in beta.
libby emmons
I actually use that all the time.
I use Brave.
lydia smith
Yes.
ian crossland
Do you use the browser and the search engine?
libby emmons
Yeah.
ian crossland
Good.
lydia smith
Perfect.
And I am also here in the corner pushing buttons.
I'm wearing one of Kelly's shirts.
I don't know if you guys can see it.
It has the dictionary definition of the word woman, which is highly unpolitically correct, so I'm looking forward to wearing it in public and seeing what happens.
tim pool
When did Daylight Savings Time happen?
Was that yesterday?
unidentified
Sunday.
tim pool
Sunday?
I'm wondering if there's a lot of people in the chat who missed that.
libby emmons
I think it was last Sunday.
lydia smith
No, it was yesterday.
It was yesterday?
ian crossland
Yeah, it was yesterday.
People think that it's 7 o'clock still.
tim pool
Someone was like, why are they starting early?
lydia smith
We're so early.
tim pool
And I'm like, it looks like some people, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, it was yesterday.
ian crossland
Since the dawn of time.
lydia smith
Yeah, it was yesterday.
ian crossland
Everyone's like, are they really?
tim pool
Men have been confused.
lydia smith
All right.
Daylight savings.
Yes, it's true.
tim pool
I think it's so dumb.
We just wake up an hour early, I guess.
But whatever.
It's brighter out and it's 8 for whatever.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's good.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
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But let's talk about this first story about Netflix.
This is what I find to be absolutely fascinating.
Netflix takes on Texas.
Attorneys analyze the outlandish fight over cuties.
The Hollywood Reporter is basically, they're talking about a story in which This month, there was supposed to be a hearing in Texas.
Netflix was to face a criminal charge for, I think it was like child lewd behavior or something.
There was a federal ruling that overturned the statute from Texas about children and lewd activities or lewd behavior.
So the DA, who, strangely enough as the story goes, played the character Spider in the film School of Rock, his name is Lucas Babin, brought the case brought the film cuties to a grand jury and asked them if it depicted children in child adult films to put it mildly and a grand jury returned four felony indictments so now what's happening is we're seeing with this hollywood reporter story
They're bringing in these lawyers who are like, oh, it's a First Amendment thing.
You know, they're obviously critiquing the sexualization of children.
And we're now in this strange world where when a DA brings the film before a bunch of regular people and says, was a crime committed?
They say yes.
Yet the establishment media, the left, as you would call it, is defending a film in which they took four young girls I don't care if you think they're actors or actresses or whatever, actually taught these little girls to do these dance moves, had them do it in an extended scene that was like three minutes long, have scenes where there's clearly adults grooming these children, and then said, but it's a critique, it's fine.
This is the, you know, if I can broaden the conversation a little bit outside of this, clearly, we live in completely different realities with whatever the establishment on the left is, from regular people to I'm kind of thinking of George Carlin's obscenity push against obscenity.
ian crossland
I understand.
I'm, you know, morally, I felt like that movie was a little too sexualized.
I think you made the example earlier.
It's like, in order to explain something, you don't have to like show it necessarily, like something really vile.
You don't want to like put it in front of people.
libby emmons
Well, I mean, when you're doing it, you know, when, when Shakespeare wrote plays, all the violence happened off stage.
You don't need to see it to know what happened.
ian crossland
It's a great point.
Yeah.
unidentified
I mean, those little girls actually doing those scenes in front of a whole, I would imagine mostly male, adult male crew, it's just gross.
I mean, what were the parents or anyone thinking?
tim pool
Well, so I think there's one part of this story that easily proves they know they're doing something wrong.
In the Hollywood Reporter, they say, conservative circles have rallied behind criticism of the movie for sexualizing and exploiting children.
Babin's father, Texas Congressman Brian Babin, U.S.
Senator Ted Cruz, and a group of more than 30 House Republicans have called on the DOJ to prosecute Netflix.
This and other calls by conservatives to investigate the making of the movie prompted Netflix to apologize for inappropriately sexualizing actresses in marketing materials.
The marketing materials were clips from the movie.
libby emmons
Yeah, they were pretty nasty.
The issue is that it's not a critique because they actually did it.
They actually did these things with little girls.
As Kelly J was saying, in front of an audience of crew, they paid them for it.
They paid the children to do these things.
There was a lot of incentive to do a good job, you know, and please the people who were Asking them to do it I brought up Carlin because he in order to show the obscene thing that he was wanted to make more publicly agreeable He would just do it.
ian crossland
He would say it He would say the words that were horrendous and at the time and this is kind of like so the metaphor is like the child Sexuality is the dirty words of the 70s.
libby emmons
It would be different if it was an animation.
It would be different if it was Yeah, I guess.
tim pool
Which is also disgusting and weird.
libby emmons
It would be different if it was adults playing children.
unidentified
Right?
There's a line you can't cross.
tim pool
Or they could just, like, the kids could have come out on the stage and then it could have showed the people's faces and then not actually put these little girls in that situation.
ian crossland
Carlin got arrested for saying the words, but he did it anyway.
libby emmons
He was like, I'm just gonna... Yeah, but he was saying words.
He wasn't depicting the abuse of children.
Which is different.
tim pool
Right.
libby emmons
And even if you say things, like if he had said out loud what was being done, you know, what these girls were doing and being made to do, if you say it out loud, that's also different than actually doing it.
So it's what makes it, I think, more similar to like a pornographic situation is that just like in adult films, the acts are actually performed.
ian crossland
What would be crazy is if it was about child murder and the movie was all about showing kids getting killed, there wouldn't be any emotional backlash like there is about child sex.
tim pool
Would the children actually be killed?
ian crossland
No, it would be all the acting.
Just like this is all acting.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
libby emmons
But it's not acting once you're doing the actual thing.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
So like, I mean, even if you're acting like you're doing the thing, you're actually still doing the thing.
You know, it's yeah.
And it's like if those if that was a snuff film, if you're talking about a snuff film, that would be there would be a lot of backlash of that.
tim pool
Well, I mean, I wouldn't call it backlash.
unidentified
I would say like pitchforks and it would be illegal.
libby emmons
It would definitely be illegal to do this.
ian crossland
I see cuties.
I haven't seen it.
I wouldn't watch it.
I didn't watch it.
unidentified
I've seen some of the bits.
tim pool
So the issue for me was I watched enough of it to where I said I'm not interested in watching this film.
Yeah, I'll put it that way.
I did not watch the film as if to say, like, I sat through the whole thing, but I watched the relevant bits to a certain degree and was just like, this needs to be turned off.
It's disturbing.
ian crossland
Dude, they got a kid that looks like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
The main 12-year-old actor looks like a sexualized Cortez.
It's insane.
Talk about clown world.
tim pool
Sure, but that's like a French film.
ian crossland
Yeah, what a weird coincidence.
lydia smith
Yeah, so Cuties is the reason that I canceled my Netflix subscription.
I was like, this is unacceptable.
Sorry, I'm just not having it.
I don't feel like giving money to a company that thinks that this is tolerable.
libby emmons
I was more angry when they pulled Star Trek, the original series.
tim pool
Imagine it this way, Ian.
Let's make a film critiquing children doing drugs and we'll literally give kids crack and film it.
ian crossland
Like a reality show.
tim pool
That's the issue.
libby emmons
It's more like that, I think, than what Carlin was doing.
ian crossland
But was it a reality?
I didn't see the movie.
Was it a reality show?
It was fake.
libby emmons
No, it was fake.
But I mean, look at... Wait, what do you mean?
ian crossland
Like, the movie wasn't... They didn't actually go into a club and get 12-year-olds dancing.
unidentified
No, no, no.
libby emmons
They had to audition, and they probably had to sign a contract, and their parents had to agree to this grooming behavior.
unidentified
But it was sexual.
So they had to... Whatever they were doing, acting or not, It was a sexualized performance.
So it doesn't really matter whether they were acting, they were still actually doing it with their real bodies.
tim pool
So the funny thing is, the response from a lot of these people on the left is that the final scene in question where the little like 11 year old girls or whatever are doing the sex dancing, is that the audience is disgusted by it.
And I'm like, but you all literally watched it too.
And they actually had these little girls do that.
So what?
Show someone being grossed out by it and all of a sudden you're allowed to do it?
That doesn't make sense to me.
If you're criticizing it, you wouldn't do it, right?
libby emmons
Also, when we have TV shows or stuff like that in the US, usually adults do it.
90210, which is the first thing I could think of.
All those actors were in their 20s.
Right.
And they were like having sex and doing whatever.
They weren't actually having sex, but they had like all the makeout scenes and stuff.
But everyone was in their 20s.
The same with like, you know, Riverdale or any of those shows.
They're all in their 20s.
tim pool
What about Superbad?
I brought this up when I was talking about this earlier today.
So Christopher Mintz-Plass I think was like 16 when they filmed the movie.
And there's a scene where he's having sex with some woman or whatever.
And apparently his parents had to be there and sign off on it.
I'm wondering, you know...
This is a 16-year-old.
We know high school kids are doing things, but does that make it better at all?
Because I'm actually wondering.
libby emmons
I'm wondering, yeah.
As you're saying that, I'm wondering about that as well.
tim pool
I still thought it was messed up.
ian crossland
Realistically, a 16-year-old boy and an 11-year-old girl are worlds of different when it comes to sexuality.
libby emmons
That's true, too.
One has gone through puberty and is still doing it, and the other one is... Still, there's exploitative them.
unidentified
Filming a 16-year-old boy That's certainly not.
libby emmons
I would never sign off on that for my kid.
ian crossland
If I had been that 16-year-old boy, I would have launched at that opportunity.
libby emmons
Well, sure.
Would your parents have gone for it?
ian crossland
Yeah, they supported whatever my choice is.
libby emmons
My parents did not do that.
tim pool
I honestly feel like this, along with the whole Florida controversy over Don't Say Gay, it really does feel like... It's not in the bill.
Right, it's not.
But their perception of it, or what their critique is, You look at Superbad.
There's a scene where a 16-year-old kid is hooking up, and it's in the movie.
And it's not like graphic or anything, but it's clearly a scene acted out by this kid.
And they want you to be like, ah, there's 16-year-olds, you know, we know high school kids are doing stuff.
Then you end up with shows like Big Mouth, which is like 12, what's the show, like 12 and 13-year-olds?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
That show's messed up.
It's a cartoon, though!
Everyone's like, oh, but it's Nick Kroll, it's like famous actors pretending to be kids, and it's just cartoons, and I'm like, It's still weird.
Do you guys know the show Big Mouth?
libby emmons
I don't know it.
ian crossland
You've got to watch it.
libby emmons
Really?
ian crossland
Should I write this down?
Yeah, yeah.
It's the most overly sexualized cartoon I've ever seen.
tim pool
Of children.
Yeah, I'm not.
libby emmons
God, and you're saying I have to watch it?
unidentified
It's like, you might get sick to your stomach.
ian crossland
And then he's got like a little sex demon on his shoulder that tells him to have sex.
tim pool
No, it's not little.
It's a massive sex demon.
ian crossland
Yeah, I won't watch it.
libby emmons
I think sex demons would be large.
unidentified
They'd be like, I'm overbearing.
libby emmons
I'm taking over.
tim pool
Netflix got critiqued.
Criticized.
Critiqued is probably the wrong word for it.
Because there's an episode where it shows two little girls walking around naked.
And it shows a whole bunch of naked women.
And they said, no, no, no.
We're trying to tell little girls to be okay with their bodies.
That's why we're showing it.
And people said, look dude, it's a cartoon.
There were no actual children here.
Then what happens?
You end up with movies like Cuties, where it's like, now you have actual little girls doing it, but, oh, come on, it's a critique, just like, and I'm just like, yo, why don't you guys, like, stop?
lydia smith
Yeah.
libby emmons
Well, it's interesting, too, because this stuff is coming up in books, too, that are now, you know, available in schools.
There's this whole controversy with this book, Gender Queer, by a person called Maya Coabe, I think.
I don't know how to say her name exactly right.
But this book has been talked about by parents all over the US, that this book has child pornography in it,
and that it has depictions of all these crazy things.
So I bought the book because I had been writing about it.
And I was like, I should really take a look at this book myself.
And it is rather disturbing, not just for the reasons that the moms that I know were complaining about it,
but also for this journey of this young girl who comes to realize, comes to decide that she's not
a girl at all, that she has these other pronouns that are like, they start with E's.
ian crossland
E-M-E-R.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's it.
E-M-E-R.
And so the book eventually is the story of this person who grows up to be a comic book artist who's 25, has never had sex, has no interest in sex, is binding their breasts and is teaching middle school and planning to come out to the middle schoolers as an asexual And this is all like very affirmed and it's all very you know couched in this language of hyper positivity.
The main character in this book hates their body, is terrified of going to the gynecologist, which if you're a woman like you got to show up at the gynecologist at a certain point at least a bunch of times in your life to make sure that you're not dying from a whole bunch of reproductive issues that can kill you.
So, you know, this person is terrified of that, terrified of being touched, all of this stuff.
And it's in the language of joy and spectacularness.
tim pool
Look, I can, you know, understand adults who want to live however they want to live.
You know, someone's over 18 and they decide they want to, you know, juggle oranges all day or like dress up like a giant duck.
I'm going to be like, literally don't care what you do, man.
You can go mind your own business.
But it's the obsession with children that I find, you know, disconcerting.
libby emmons
Me too.
Yeah, like why do you need your middle school teacher to come out to you and tell you that they hate their body?
unidentified
It's all over TikTok, right?
libby emmons
All of this stuff.
unidentified
People actually do come out to really small children in this fashion.
But there is an overwhelming surge to break the frontier and boundaries of kids.
Just totally erode all safeguarding, not allow them to use words that are literal and mean something.
And the sexualization of kids, whether it's cuties, whether it's this cartoon.
But it's like, it's as if you're doing something remarkable if you're trying to enforce this onto kids.
It's so messed up.
libby emmons
It's almost like we've destroyed our culture to the point where there's no way for children to gauge when they're adults.
So we just have to decide that they're adults from the very beginning and can understand this stuff.
So kids are learning about gender identity before they know what sex is.
tim pool
Well, I don't think it needs to be asked, but to the left, you know, my question is to the left in general, why they think there's an age of consent.
Now, the issue is, I honestly think the left is opposed to that idea of an age of consent.
I think many of these people are just ignoring that issue for now.
But I think if you were to actually get these people in private and ask them, they'd probably advocate for really, really messed up stuff.
libby emmons
I think that's correct.
And I think we've seen that.
tim pool
I think what they're doing is they're eroding our culture with, you know, things like cuties and defending it.
And I'm like, could you imagine this film being made 15, 20 years ago?
libby emmons
Well, 15, 20 years ago, or 20 years ago anyway, like, uh, Tipper Gore would be pissed, right?
And she was the, she was the second lady or whatever, the vice president's wife, who put the explicit advisory lyrics on, you know, my Jane's Addiction album.
tim pool
We see all those, uh, things on Twitter.
Have you ever seen, like, maps?
The, the, the minor attracted person stuff?
libby emmons
Or that's Foundation Prostasia, the Prostasia Foundation, which is all about, uh, advocating for, uh, pedophiles to be accepted in society.
tim pool
You have to wonder about what these people's true goals are at the end.
And then, you know, you have to wonder about why people like Epstein kind of just disappear.
Why, why Max, Ghislaine Maxwell gets convicted, but convicted of what?
Where, where, what did she, what did she do?
I mean, we're talking about a crime that involves two people, right?
Where are her clients?
Why'd they all get away with it?
And then it's really funny how it's just like, anybody who brings that stuff up is clearly a conspiracy theorist, and you know, they must be making things up, and I'm just like, dude, the Netflix thing is really, really fascinating.
Because I don't think they're gonna be able to walk away from this one.
A grand jury.
So apparently the feds are like, we're going to have a hearing on this in June or something or July over whether or not you can, this stands.
But I have a feeling that the DA is going to say to the federal judge, we completely agree with their critique.
Yeah.
And agree, you know, you shouldn't sexualize kids.
Okay.
But they did.
unidentified
It's such a shame though, don't you think, with Netflix, because they've really stood up for Dave Chappelle.
They are willing to sort of allow supposedly controversial opinions.
And I really was, you know, I totally back them for that.
I think that's brilliant.
And then they do this and you're like, oh, come on, please.
tim pool
I don't know if they actually back Dave Chappelle to a certain extent.
You know, the last special that Dave did was heavily focused on trans people.
It's like a really, it's really weird.
Dave did a special.
He mentioned, he had jokes about trans people.
He got attacked heavily for it, and it seemed like it consumed him.
And so he ends up, yeah, his next special ends up being this kind of like, it was very defensive.
unidentified
It was nearly a TED Talk, to be fair.
tim pool
Yeah, no, seriously.
Where he was like, I guess people just don't understand the joke, so I'm going to stop doing them.
It's like they got them.
libby emmons
What did you think of that?
What did you think of the whole Chappelle thing?
unidentified
Well, I have issues anyway, because I think he's incredible for walking away from all that money and keeping his dignity and credibility all those years ago.
But I'm not really a great big fan of his humour.
The way that he talked about Candace Irwin, I just can't really get past that.
But yeah, I think it's bizarre that comedians, Ricky Gervais is the same, they sort of tell a joke and then explain the joke.
When have you started doing that?
Just tell a joke.
If it's funny, we'll laugh.
And if it's not, we'll move on.
But you saying, oh, this is a joke because actually I'm doing a bit of wordplay and I'm doing this and please don't cancel me.
It's like, no, just have the bravery.
tim pool
You know, a story that is a great overlap is this story from Newsweek about JK Rowling and YouTuber Vosh sparring over International Women's Day, mainly because one of the critiques against Vosh, one of the most common ones, is about his comments on young children and sexualization of them.
And so he is an interesting character in this in that he kind of embodies a lot of these critiques we're talking
about.
So this story is, you may have seen it, it's actually from five days ago.
J.K. Rowling called Vosch, likened him to an abusive ex-husband who used to tell me my life would be great if only I'd
comply, but you're making the same mistake he did.
Women like me can't be bullied out of resistance. There's a couple things I find interesting here that's worth talking
about.
One, I don't know if you saw this but recently, what's her name, Emma Watson? Is that her name right?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, she said, I'm here for all the witches and everyone like clapped.
unidentified
Oh gosh.
tim pool
I don't know what that's supposed to mean but a lot of people are assuming she was making like a trans affirming
statement or something.
unidentified
She looked gutless when she said it, so I think she was.
ian crossland
All the witches?
Is that what she said?
unidentified
She said all the witches.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Like, what does that mean?
ian crossland
I'm here for all the ladies, I think.
tim pool
But J.K.
Rowling's an interesting subject in this, and interestingly, Vosch is as well, because we're talking about the weird grooming of children and stuff like that.
Vosch has been heavily criticized for that.
J.K.
Rowling, you know, is an interesting story.
For those that aren't familiar, I mean, this is the gist of the story.
She said, someone please send the shadow minister for equality is a dictionary and a backbone.
Happy International Women's Day. And then Vosh said, women be quieter and start apologizing
challenge to which she responded with that you're like an abusive husband.
He said, listen, Joanne, you don't get to play the victim card when you're the advocate for taking away women's rights here.
Trans women are raped and killed in men's facilities, and you want to keep them there because if you're trauma, quit making your feelings other people's oppression.
For this, you know, my attitude is like, and I said this before, is not to be cute or Hyperbolic or facetious, I believe that Vaush is a men's rights activist.
unidentified
Oh, 100%.
tim pool
Yeah.
Like saying, women, shut up.
Or, you know, women, be quiet and start apologizing.
Language like that, 10 years ago, they'd call them an MRA.
And even socialists were called MRAs.
So this is like, this story and the issues around J.K.
Rowling and everything that's going on, man, I really just want to reiterate the point.
There are two different realities.
We know it.
It includes war.
It includes law.
It includes politics.
It includes culture.
And this is where the two realities just clash all the time.
libby emmons
Well it's sort of fascinating right because we have set up an alternate reality as a culture.
We have social media and the online realm which is an alternate reality.
Do you guys remember Second Life where you could like live in a virtual realm and now you have meta which is like You know second life part two or whatever where you can live in a virtual realm.
So as we are creating this alternative reality that we all engage in every day you know and if you're in media you engage in it constantly like I'm always on Twitter or whatever and then there's real life and when you talk to people in real life they know fully that men and women are different and that biological sex is innate and then when you talk to people online they don't know that.
So it's like this battle of which realm of reality is going to, which dimension is going to win the war of what's true.
Yeah.
And what's interesting is when you have concepts of transgender ideology, which also is backed by, you know, concepts of transhumanism, which is the intentional evolution of humanity with the help of technology, right?
So you have this, you have Zoltan Istvan, who's a transhumanist who ran for president a few years ago.
You know, he didn't have a chance, obviously, but there he was out there.
We are grappling with this.
We are grappling with the question of what is real?
What is truth?
What is reality?
And, you know, I wonder what is going to happen.
It's fascinating to watch it.
And as our culture moves further into the realm of transhumanism, where we, you know, believe that our bodies and minds are two different entities that are At certain times apparently at war with one another, in the realm of transgender ideology anyway, your body and mind are sort of at war.
What is going to happen?
It's a fascinating situation and also terrifying.
tim pool
Have y'all seen the film Surrogates?
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
It's an interesting movie, Bruce Willis.
It's a future where people have these like pods they lay in and they plug in and their consciousness is transferred to a surrogate body, a robot version of themselves.
And so you see, like, Bruce Willis is looking all, like, perfect.
You know, his hair is to the side or whatever.
You know, it's, like, combed, and he can run super fast and jump super high because it's a robot body.
Then he wakes up old and disheveled and wrinkled in his apartment.
No one goes outside anymore because it's dangerous.
You gotta send your surrogate out in your stead.
In the opening, there's a guy and a woman come out of a club, and they're hooking up.
And then someone is able to kill them through their surrogate, so it's, like, a big deal.
When the police go to the woman's apartment, they're like, ma'am, are you here?
And they find a 400 pound morbidly obese man, you know, sitting like in his chair, whatever, having died or whatever.
And so I think that's an interesting concept.
They did that.
There's something, something with when people are given the choice to project themselves as whatever they want, like they can on the internet as either a cartoon animal or identity less anonymous, they just choose what they would, what they wish they were.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
And I wonder if one thing that drives identity crisis in people is living too much on the internet as opposed to living in your body.
You know what I mean?
libby emmons
Yeah.
I think we don't live in our bodies as much as we used to for sure.
You can even tell with like so many of our trends are about trying to make your body okay.
You know, you've been sitting for too long.
Maybe you should exercise.
You've been ordering in for too long.
People have been bringing you food for too long.
Eat this protein.
tim pool
So I'm wondering if, you know, you look at the metaverse.
I don't know if you've seen the videos or like Mark Zuckerberg.
libby emmons
They are terrifying.
tim pool
But they look like me's, like from the Nintendo Switch or whatever.
Or like from the Wii, I guess.
But they don't look like humans.
I'm wondering if people will start identifying as that.
And then, because that's what you see as a person, that's who you interact with.
I'm wondering if a lot of what we're seeing, because the identity crisis stuff isn't just trans, it's otherkin.
libby emmons
It's sort of everybody, yeah.
tim pool
Are you familiar with otherkin, Kelly?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
That's like the puppies.
tim pool
Yeah, people who think they're like, they think they're dragons.
libby emmons
Or owls.
Or there's that whole, there's that whole like refuge in Colorado of a bunch of people who think they're cats.
And they go there for like cat people orgies and things.
I'm not kidding.
I think all of this stuff, I think it's a transhumanist culture war.
unidentified
I'm hopeful, I'm hopeful.
I think real human connection is actually a really powerful thing and whilst we may trend away from it and people may shy away from it somewhat, I don't think we can escape it.
I can't live in a world in which we are heading towards not touching each other.
libby emmons
But we're already there.
The 20 year olds are having less sex than ever before.
A for asexual is part of the LGBTQ alphabet soup, right?
It's all in there.
Asexual is a sexual identity.
There's less sex, less people want to have kids, there's less touching, there's less dating.
unidentified
Do you not think that we will get to a point though where this unpersonal chaos will just reach peak and then we will just revert back to... You know, maybe if there's a massive war.
libby emmons
Maybe if there's a reason for all of us to run screaming into the woods.
tim pool
But it has to do with the internet and video games and things like that.
If we keep living in digital spaces, then they'll only get worse.
ian crossland
Could be that our species is splitting.
I was watching like Evolution of Humanity documentary last night.
You see the branches of trees and then like the Homo erectus, and then you've got the hominids that come out of that.
And like they appeared, you'll have like Neanderthals and Homo sapiens came together, but we were different.
So like now we've got another race of like computer zealots that are like agender-less computer hominids.
And then we've got everyone else that's still Homo sapiens.
tim pool
So you're saying the next stage in human evolution is bodyless, conscious entities that exist in digital spaces?
ian crossland
Maybe, but the problem with that is all through history, when a species splits, they go to war with each other.
And one of the branches will end up becoming dominant.
tim pool
Like X-Men.
ian crossland
We might see that.
And if they have brain neural plants and they can move machines with their minds, that's going to be hard to defeat in a war.
tim pool
Well, yeah, that's interesting too, with Neuralink and stuff.
unidentified
Like Terminator.
tim pool
Well, sort of, but imagine, you know, look, it's not going to be, if you were going to break it down towards who is most likely to get Neuralink, it's going to be city, urban, liberal type.
libby emmons
Sure.
Not going to be conservatives.
And that is a transhumanist thing, the Neuralink.
tim pool
And so what happens then when, you know, the people who live in cities are Neuralinked, so they have direct access to the summation of human knowledge.
For better or for worse and then you're going and competing against somebody who doesn't like in certain areas
They're gonna end up being better than you at certain tasks And there's also sort of a I was talking to a friend of
libby emmons
mine about this who has cerebral palsy, right?
and so there's a lot of things that he can't do and I was slamming all this stuff neural link and
the idea that there would be these surrogates because we had talked about that like that you could go out as
somebody else in your And he was like, that all would be awesome for me, because I can't do shit.
And he was very like, if that were happening now, I would go move my random weird arm with my neural link that I can't move now.
tim pool
And it'll be communism.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
You know why?
libby emmons
Why?
tim pool
If you took every single human body and put them in pods and then plugged them into the matrix, Their limitations would be defined mathematically by the code, not by their physical bodies, which is somewhat randomized.
So you could be 6'5", 280 pounds of pure muscle in your pod.
In the digital world, you are a weak, identical to everybody else.
I was thinking that last night.
ian crossland
I was at my computer and I blew my nose and threw the tissue away.
I'm thinking, all this stuff I just did, I picked up the thing and I blew my nose and I took a sip and threw it.
If I was in a computer simulation, I couldn't...
be able to do the variety of calculations that I can do in this reality.
There's this, like, limitless potential of actions that you can take in base reality.
And, like, exactly what you were just saying.
In the Metaverse, you're bound by the code.
You can't go chop down the thing and take a sip of the... Because it isn't real.
It's just the illusion of the system.
tim pool
I mean, depending on how complex the system is.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
But when you're playing in video games online, Your character, like if you're playing like World of Warcraft, for instance, online video game, you can be stronger than another character, but everyone is given an equal starting point and everyone's given a relatively equal ending point, though some items are rare and harder to get and you gotta work harder.
For the most part, if all, you know, in the real world, some people are better than others.
ian crossland
Extremely limiting.
The video games are extremely, extremely limiting.
I imagine having children is like the most adventurous thing you could ever do.
Like if you want to have a mind adventure, I would imagine that that's interacting and creating a human.
And then being in a relationship where you can like...
tim pool
Maybe the easiest way to break down what's happening is not authoritarian versus libertarian.
It's not multicultural democracy and constitutional republic.
It's literally transhumanist versus...
What's the word for someone who's not a transhumanist?
libby emmons
A human.
ian crossland
Ludites.
They'll call them ludites, but that's the negative connotation.
libby emmons
What's the other word?
Like troglodytes?
ian crossland
Humanisms.
tim pool
No, they would call them like base human or something.
libby emmons
Cishuman?
tim pool
Are you human plus?
unidentified
You're gonna go to a bank and they're like, and are you human plus or are you base human?
tim pool
I'm human plus.
libby emmons
Would you like the premium plan?
tim pool
The premium plan.
unidentified
Plug in your Neuralink and we'll give you the $50 gift card.
ian crossland
Like those are like homo cyberneticist.
libby emmons
I think that will happen.
I think I do stuff will happen Yeah, because we'll all just have little RFID chips in our hands It's gonna get brain hacked and that those people are all gonna be tracked and in them like a hive mind Yeah, I'm gonna like it dude, but they want it won't know they're in it.
They want it Chop off their legs and have like special jumpy legs.
ian crossland
I have total control.
What are you talking about legs and oh Shutting down.
Yeah, it'll be nuts.
unidentified
Have you seen Black Mirror?
ian crossland
A couple episodes, yeah.
unidentified
There's a really good one about all this sort of crazy just load yourself up or every time you walk past someone they sort of write you.
libby emmons
Right, well because they can scan like if you have an RFID chip now it can be scanned and like people can get the information off your chip.
ian crossland
And then someone's going to hack it and be like, they'll have a real low rating, but they'll make it look like they have a 4.8 out of 5.
libby emmons
It'll be like changing your report card.
ian crossland
I'm scandalous.
libby emmons
Mom will never know that I failed chemistry now.
tim pool
Think about what's happening.
Think about what happened with all the vaccine mandates.
Now think about what would happen if everyone's hooked up to a two-way computer connection to your own brain.
The government's going to say, for everyone's good, you need to install this antivirus software in your Neuralink.
And everyone's going to go, OK.
And it's going to literally start sending information into your brain, which is so dangerous.
libby emmons
And then it's going to download.
You're not even going to know it's downloading.
ian crossland
Yeah, it'll be like, man, this person needs to die.
tim pool
Thoughts will be downloaded.
libby emmons
Well, but that is what Elon Musk's Neuralink is all about.
That's part of it.
It's so that you can You know, it's like the... I'm such a dork.
It's like the binars in Star Trek, you know, they have like their whole... But it's like, once everyone is linked by these neural links, there'll be a lot more information that people have, but there also will be no individuality, no independence, no liberty, no freedom.
tim pool
Wrong analogy.
libby emmons
You don't think it's the Bynars?
No, it's the Borg.
Oh, well, there's that too.
The Bynars, I guess, were like the innocent version.
It'll be like the Borg, but they're gonna think... Because they did have their world computer.
That's how it starts.
ian crossland
They're gonna think they're individual.
The Borg at least knew they are part of the collective.
These people are gonna think they're individuals, but they're gonna be being controlled.
Kind of what's happening now with TV and commercials and stuff.
We're being manipulated without realizing it.
libby emmons
Well, yeah, there was a recent ad.
There was a recent Adidas ad that was all about it was like women in sports, except it was all about trans women in sports.
Really?
Yeah.
tim pool
Did it show any females?
libby emmons
It did show some, but like trans women was like a big part of it.
tim pool
I want to push.
We have this interesting segue from this conversation into Ukraine, surprisingly, but you know, I guess in this day and age, We have the story from Business Insider.
How a transgender Ukrainian man escaped Russia's invasion.
I painted my nails violet and wore mom's shirt to look more girly.
We then have the story from TMZ.
Transgender woman on fighting two wars in Ukraine fears Russians and transphobic Ukrainians.
So this is interesting because in the story about the trans woman in Ukraine, because of the war, they announced if you were 16, was it 16 to 16 year old man, you could not leave the country.
Legally in Ukraine, a trans woman is a man.
Whatever your political opinion is on it, that's the view of the Ukrainian government.
I do think it's funny that the left is just like totally on board with Ukraine.
I get it.
You know, the Russian invasion is a bad thing, but you got like Nazis there and it's like the government is transphobic, but whatever.
So you have the story where this trans woman is like, you know, I'm a woman and I can't leave because of this rule.
Then you have this other story about a trans man.
So this person is born female, paints their nails, and wears feminine clothing to be able to escape the country.
To me, it's interesting.
You know, I'm wondering, there have been a lot of men, males, who fled Ukraine as well as women and children.
libby emmons
Just like the Titanic.
tim pool
Right, I mean, and I understand if someone's like, I don't want to fight in a war and they want to get out, but this is like your country is being invaded.
The interesting thing to me is, I understand these are two unique individuals and we're not talking about a group here, but it is fascinating that two stories we get out of here are about a biological male and female, a trans man and a trans woman, both trying to flee the country and not stay and fight for it.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, the headline's interesting, isn't it?
Fighting two wars.
Actually, they're trying to not fight any.
Right.
libby emmons
Right, exactly.
tim pool
Not the gender war, not any.
We talked about Laya Thomas, I think it sounds pronounced.
This is the biological male trans woman who's competing against females in college swimming.
libby emmons
At UPenn, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, at UPenn.
But there's also a trans man, so someone born female who got top surgery, and competes against Isaac Hennig at Yale.
So my issue is, I mean, obviously the Ukraine thing is a situation of war, life and death.
So I'm like, hey, anybody who wants to get out and is worried, we should help these people.
When it comes to the college swimming thing, my question to the left, which they have no answer for,
and they just insult me, is, okay, so you're saying that a trans woman is a woman
and then should be allowed to compete in the women's division because the women's division
is a social construct division, right?
You say yes.
Okay.
Well, Isaac is a man, identifying as a trans man, therefore they shouldn't be allowed.
And they say, but Isaac's not taking testosterone.
libby emmons
Right, that's the excuse.
tim pool
So we're talking about biology or society?
libby emmons
They don't know.
unidentified
Well, whatever suits their argument.
tim pool
Well, it all flows in one direction.
Like, whether it's a trans man or a trans woman, they're both trying to find a way to leave the country.
The trans woman says, but I'm a woman, you can't say I'm a man.
The trans man says, I'm gonna paint my nails and wear women's clothing to try and get out of the country.
libby emmons
What I don't understand is why is the person who is female but trans as a man, why do they have to do anything?
Like, if they're a female, why wouldn't they just walk over the border?
If you're a female, right, you can have short hair and you can, I know this is crazy, but you can wear a suit, you could wear button-down shirts, you could wear men's shoes if you're a female and it doesn't change anything about being female.
ian crossland
I even heard that women can be gay.
libby emmons
You can even keep your fingernails super short.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
and unpainted.
I don't still are female.
tim pool
No, no. But I think one of the big issues in the culture war is that,
you know, whatever our faction is, we assume too much about the other
side's beliefs and understandings of things.
I think it's fair to say that they don't think that a woman can have
short hair or do these things.
Well, no, if a young girl says, I want short hair and I want
to wear blue jeans.
They ask the child if the child is trans.
libby emmons
They don't say.
tim pool
Yeah, they don't. They don't say, well, maybe you just like short hair. It's become like, if
you act.
In fact, it's...
This is the strange thing to me about it, maybe I should understand, that if you have a child who says, a little boy says, I like dolls, then all of a sudden you have conversations about whether the child's trans, when the child doesn't have an understanding of sexuality because they're pre-pubescent.
libby emmons
Right, and they just like stuff.
lydia smith
Right.
libby emmons
And you don't even know why they like stuff.
Like maybe they like dolls because they like the color or the texture, you know, or being able to tell stories with dolls.
lydia smith
Stick it in their trucks, I don't know.
libby emmons
Sure, stick it in their trucks, you know, whatever it is.
But we don't ask children what it is that they like.
ian crossland
Yeah, sometimes the joints of the doll are what make the doll cool.
It doesn't have to do with if it has blonde hair or is a girl or a boy.
libby emmons
I had one where you press the button on the back and she winked at you.
It was Western Barbie.
tim pool
Matt Walsh brought this up after the Dr. Phil thing he did.
He said if a little boy or his son came to him and said that he thought he was a girl, he said we'd ask him why.
And often you'll hear him say things like, I want to play with dolls.
And he was like, but boys can play with dolls too.
It's funny because hearing Matt talk about stuff like that, that's like, that used to be progressive.
libby emmons
That was the original, that was like much the feminist perspective, right?
If you're a woman, you can dress and behave however you want.
You can dress the way men stereotypically dress.
You can behave the way men stereotypically behave.
You can do any of that, right?
You can sleep around.
You can do whatever.
It's fine.
And now we've switched all that up.
We have taken the gender stereotypes and embedded them further.
tim pool
Yeah, it seems like the modern progressive left's worldview is that there are social behaviors intrinsic to sex.
It's so bizarre.
Yeah, I'm just confused by it.
unidentified
I don't understand.
There was a case discussed on the BBC and a little boy lived with his mom and she had two towels after she had a shower for her hair and her body.
And one day he said, I'd like two towels.
And she said, you don't need two towels.
He said, but I'm a girl.
And so she went to bed that night and thought deeply about him being a girl.
Not that he just wanted two damn towels.
And then he started on his road to transition at like seven.
Socially transition.
libby emmons
That is a mess up.
unidentified
It's just so weird.
libby emmons
My son uses like four towels.
I don't know what he uses them for.
I come into the bathroom.
I'm like, you really needed all these towels?
tim pool
Why did she say he didn't need two towels though?
He has hair, right?
unidentified
I have no idea.
This is her very brave journey about discovering that her son was really a girl.
And so, I think she thought that was a good thing to say.
tim pool
I think the question is, you know, what about this child saying that they were a girl is like confirmation of a trans identity?
I mean, obviously... For her.
Right.
So, like, what makes you think...
From saying I want two towels to saying that you're a girl makes the leap to their biology is wrong and they need medication or some kind of surgical treatment, right?
I mean, I'm assuming that she went to the doctor though, right?
unidentified
For me, if we assume she hasn't got Something like Munchausen's by proxy.
There is a lot of social status for average people to gain by doing this brave and super wonderful mother.
And it is women, unfortunately, it's women that go along with this narrative with their kids.
It's not so much dads.
libby emmons
Well, it's sort of a feminist fascism, you know, where we have taken the ideas of feminism and we now impose them by force.
tim pool
I don't think words, I think it's probably intentional, but words have almost no meaning at this point.
unidentified
That's correct.
tim pool
What does feminism even mean?
libby emmons
That was intentional.
We were actually, before we went on tonight, Kelly and I were looking at the definition of gender and gender identity on, well, like Wexlaw, I think, at Cornell, and they're the same.
They basically have the same definition.
Gender and gender identity are all about your perceived self and your innate internal self, which isn't anything.
It's just absurd.
We've taken and we gaze in so deeply that we think we see something, and it's not.
tim pool
I just try to avoid all of that social argument stuff by just saying sex.
libby emmons
Well, that works out.
tim pool
So I'll say male and female instead of men and women, and then I'm just like, there you go, fine, whatever.
libby emmons
It still doesn't work with Canadian hate speech laws.
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
But we're in this really bizarre sort of idea that our bodies are not connected to who we are.
I mean, I am my body.
If I was taller, I'm sure I'd be slightly different.
If I was a lot shorter, I mean, I don't know if that's possible, but if I was...
If I was load shorter I'd be a completely different person.
Of course if I was a man walking around in the world with A testosterone and B being a man and being treated like a man there's a there's a trans um there's not a trans there's a transaction Between me and the society in which I live and we both kind of find out what and who I am It's not just up to me and it's not just up to them and it's bizarre that we're deciding that gender is separate from that your internal sense of self is a social construct is the most stupid idea and it doesn't make any sense and
ian crossland
You know, I was just thinking about someone in prison and maybe how because people are adaptable and their sense of what I am like in prison.
They're like, what do you what do you even think I am?
What are you?
Who are you?
And then they beat the hell and like, when people are getting like sexually assaulted in prison and like over and over and over and over again by some big guy, and it's a guy and he's like, I'm not gay, but I have to Create a new reality for who I am in this situation.
And so they create like a new gender almost to to exist within that without being insane.
So I understand that that people that that's happening to people.
I think it's honestly if you zoom out I think it's happening because like there's so many people on earth misproportioned in cities and all these phenyl phthalates in the water and and pharmaceuticals like making people androgynous and making people kind of Isn't that like a conspiracy theory?
libby emmons
I haven't heard that.
ian crossland
I don't know. It just seems logical.
tim pool
Isn't that true, though, that birth control is in public drinking water?
ian crossland
Yeah. Pharmaceuticals go into the toilet and the pee when people pee them out
after they eat the Prozac and then that gets in the water supply.
People are all really, really messed up.
And it might just be a process of the human race kind of shedding its skin.
Look at that!
Yeah, it's a... That's a fact, yep.
tim pool
So we got this story from Insider.
Birth control pills could add 10 million doses of hormones to our wastewater every day.
Some of that estrogen may wind up in our taps.
Yeah, this is a story I heard about a while back.
Hormones from birth control pills can travel through showers, toilets, and washing machines to local wastewater facilities.
In his book Troubled Water, activist Seth Siegel writes that birth control pills add more than 10 million doses of synthetic estrogen to U.S.
wastewater every day.
From there, the hormones could get discharged into rivers and lakes that serve as sources of drinking water.
Only a tiny portion of the estrogen in wastewater makes its way to U.S.
taps, but Siegel still thinks we should remove it.
So I think maybe it's a bit exaggerated as if you're like turning the tap water on and there's gonna be birth control in it.
It looks like it could be an issue.
libby emmons
Also, aren't we having a fertility crisis?
ian crossland
What is that all about?
libby emmons
Like there's we just aren't having enough kids.
ian crossland
Does it mean that people aren't trying enough or that it's people?
libby emmons
There's a lot of trying and there's a lot of not having children.
unidentified
Is that because they're late? Too late?
libby emmons
What? There's that. There's like being older.
Um, and then there's a being older is one of the things, but there's also been issues of fertility.
Like, I don't have enough.
ian crossland
There's so much junk in the food supply.
High fructose corn syrup, aspartame, we have birth control, you have how many oxycodone, how many of these pharmaceuticals that are legal are getting pissed into the water supply.
libby emmons
It's kind of crazy.
tim pool
What are your guys' thoughts on birth control?
libby emmons
I have lots of thoughts on birth control.
You want to hear them?
Yes.
So I went on birth control when I was 16.
My doctor said that I had polycystic ovarian syndrome and that I should go on birth control to regulate my cycle.
So I did.
I did go on birth control.
And then I was on it for a very long time.
I was on it until I was 32.
unidentified
32?
libby emmons
33?
Something like that.
And then I went off it because I wanted to have a child.
And I had for that whole period of time I thought I was depressed.
I thought I was maladjusted.
I thought I was awkward.
I thought I was socially weird.
I thought all of these things about myself, that I was morose, miserable.
And then I went off birth control.
And it literally felt like a dam broke in my entire body and in my brain also, where it was like suddenly I
could see everything in color.
And I just felt like an entirely different person.
And I suddenly really was more outgoing.
I liked being around people more.
I wasn't really depressed.
I mean I was still miserable because I'm still me but I wasn't like depressed about everything.
It was shocking.
It was so shocking that I had to go back on it within a month and I had to like wait a little bit to go off it.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
And then it turned out that I didn't have polycystic ovarian syndrome.
I wasn't infertile.
There was no reason for me to be on the pill that entire time.
And I had suffered from like, for a while I was on this pill where if I went into the sun I would pass out.
And I was in L.A.
unidentified
I was like, this is not working.
libby emmons
I do not recommend birth control.
tim pool
There's two big issues.
One is the feminist view that birth control has empowered women because now they're free to function, you know, without fear of pregnancy, which could potentially hold them back or whatever.
But then there's also the fact that our society has mass medicated young women.
libby emmons
That's correct.
tim pool
And I'm wondering, have we tracked for the psychological impacts of mass medicating young women?
libby emmons
Well, I've gone through, like, I've done a little study of other, you know, essentially upper middle class girls in my age group.
All of us were put on birth control when we were about 16.
Like, every one of us.
And I was like, did you have a reason?
Well, my doctor said my periods were weird.
And the reason that they say stuff, they give you a reason, is so that your insurance covers it.
lydia smith
Right.
libby emmons
So my insurance covered it for the entire time.
tim pool
The doctor just wanted you on it?
libby emmons
Yeah, the doctors want 16 year old upper middle class girls in the US on birth control so that they don't have teen pregnancies.
unidentified
Huh.
I mean, I guess teen pregnancy is a bad thing.
libby emmons
But like, you know, that's yes, it's it.
Now I sound crazy, but in looking at all of the women I know of that age, this has happened to all of us.
ian crossland
Birth control makes it harder to have kids and they're peeing it into the water supply and it's harder for people to have
unidentified
kids Have you heard of the mice utopia
a YouTube video.
We talk about it all the time.
When they give mice a lovely place to live and enough bedding and enough food and enough everything and eventually the mice go a bit crazy and turn on each other and stop having sex.
libby emmons
Oh that's like America!
unidentified
You just wonder.
tim pool
We do talk about the utopia experiment quite a bit.
I think the guy did it with mice and rats, like he did one and the other.
And a finite amount of space, but unlimited food and water, and then the rats, just to see what they do.
And they would have what's called behavioral sync, where their rat society would break down and they would start eating each other and killing each other.
I was thinking about that because we're effectively running a chicken utopia experiment.
And I'm half kidding, but we launched a YouTube show called Chicken City, which is just live-streaming the chickens, where they have a large amount of space, unlimited food and water, and, like, we have no intention of, like, harvesting the chickens.
I'm wondering if we'll see something break down, or if chickens will just, you know, not be, like, they're different, you know, different species.
I wonder if it's different from, you know, mammals, the birds.
unidentified
Do they have a limited space?
tim pool
They do, yeah.
It's big, though.
It's a big space.
But the rats and the mice had limited space, but it was a decent amount.
What was interesting is that in those experiments, they would all cluster in one bunch in one area and not utilize the full space they were given.
unidentified
I just wonder if we lack purpose.
You know, I just look at, you know, if my kids ever talk about millionaires.
sort of Kardashian-style millionaires and I'm like... Aren't they billionaires?
tim pool
They're billionaires, right?
unidentified
Well, billionaires, millionaires, billionaires, just a lot more than me.
But I'd sort of look at them and I'd think, what's the purpose of their day?
Like, what are they striving for?
And do we as human beings need something to strive for?
Because if you've got nothing to aim for, to go for, to move forward for, then don't you just stay still and then just become unhappy?
tim pool
Yes, so I had a friend who became a millionaire when he was like 16 and he said that he had an existential crisis because all of a sudden, it's not just the fact that he was rich and could buy anything he wanted, it was that all of a sudden he was like the lord of everyone, the way people treated him.
He no longer had teachers who would tell him he was wrong.
All of a sudden it was like, hey, let me get that for you.
Oh, you're so smart.
Wow, look what you've done.
And he said that it happens to all of these guys in tech who become millionaires rather quickly because they write a code, write a program, and then overnight it sells, and now they're worth three million bucks.
And they're sitting at this massive bank account thinking, what do I do now?
You wrote the code, you wrote the program, you solved the problem, and now you're rich.
But they never did this work because they were trying to get money.
They were trying to accomplish something.
And they become listless, depressed.
They sleep all day.
He told me that eventually most of them, they'll go like six months to a year and then finally normalize and then their happiness stabilizes and they try and find their next mission or whatever.
But I think that, you know, hearing that story and then think about the fact that I think most people in the United States today are living like kings.
Maybe why we're dealing with this collapse, this behavioral sink.
I definitely think the U.S.
is dealing with behavioral sink, like much like the right utopia.
I think, you know, I've seen it with like Occupy Wall Street.
All of these people protesting, this is, you know, now almost 11 years ago or 10 years ago.
When I went to, when I was in Brazil, and many who listen to this show probably heard me tell this story, but forgive me because I haven't told it to Kelly.
When I went to Brazil, I was in the favelas, and I met, you know, the favelas are shantytowns.
They fall apart in the rain.
And one of the, the woman asked me in Portuguese a question, and it was translated, why are the rich people protesting in the United States?
unidentified
And I said, I don't understand, they're not.
tim pool
And then she asked and he was like, oh, she's asking about like Occupy Wall Street.
And I was like, oh, those were like college kids, kids with debt, people living in cities.
And she laughed, she was like, Americans are all rich.
Her question was like, I think it was probably like mistranslated.
She wasn't saying, why are specifically the American rich people protesting?
She was saying something like, why would Americans who are rich protest about this stuff?
And it's really interesting because I'm like, hey, you're preaching to the choir, man.
I'm like, if you got air conditioning in a refrigerator, You're living better than Rockefeller did a hundred years ago, so we're all basically taken care of.
What do we do with our lives?
Create problems?
You know, complain about stuff?
unidentified
I sometimes think you get to the top of Maslow's hierarchy of needs and then it inverts.
lydia smith
Yeah.
unidentified
And then we're just heading for...
I'm just doomed.
lydia smith
So Kim Kardashian came under a lot of fire that I didn't think she deserved because recently she said something along the lines of, you need to work hard.
And everyone's like, oh, you're rich.
You don't know what it's like.
But she keeps herself busy.
Didn't she go to law school?
Like, she didn't just linger around.
libby emmons
She didn't go to law school, but she has been reading law.
Doing this other different way to get a law degree.
lydia smith
She has a company, right?
And she's doing all this different stuff.
I completely agree.
Like, you should be staying busy no matter how much money you make.
And especially if you get richer.
tim pool
It's like the Matrix, you know?
In the first Matrix, Agent Smith tells Morpheus, he's like, the first world we designed was perfect, but the human mind rejected it because it craves conflict and struggle.
It's like, yeah.
Without it, people become almost deranged.
unidentified
Well, also we have a lack of, so I'm what you call a gold star atheist.
I've never believed in God.
Um, but I think the organized religion and the mutual purpose of people and collective purpose of heading towards an afterlife of actually trying to do good, uh, for something that you can never touch.
I think that also has left us wanting.
And I think that where we've looked is within our narcissistic little bodies.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think that's right.
We have turned in and we worship the self where we used to worship God and now we do.
We do worship the self and we have removed the soul.
We've extricated the soul and replaced it with gender.
unidentified
Ah, it's so beautiful.
tim pool
I do think it's interesting that the culture war has made a lot of people, like, theist or whatever.
unidentified
I've got a theology degree, so I have a vested interest in promoting... You're an atheist with a theology degree?
Yeah.
libby emmons
I love this.
unidentified
That sounds right.
libby emmons
I want to hear everything more about this.
tim pool
Are you going to be an atheologist?
ian crossland
Yeah, tell me about it.
tim pool
Atheologist.
libby emmons
That's wonderful.
tim pool
No, I think that makes sense.
If you're going to be an atheist, know what you're talking about.
unidentified
Well I thought I'd find some, so for a start I thought University, because I'm an idiot, was going to be like Kids from Fame, which is probably way too old a reference for any of you.
I liked it.
libby emmons
I liked the show.
unidentified
So you'd just sit in an individual chair and you'd all sort of discuss these really meaty topics.
It wasn't quite like that, but I just thought there may be universal truths.
And if I studied theology, I may find universal truths and then I may examine my own belief system, but that didn't actually happen.
However, I do think the universal truth of human beings absolutely needing something above and beyond themselves is something that now we're finding out to our peril.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Do you think above and beyond like a partner?
unidentified
I think anything that makes you put yourself a little bit last.
Whether that be family, community.
Whilst we've lost our organised religions, in the UK probably more than in the US, and it's no mistake that in poor countries they still are very religious.
So whilst we've lost our religions, we've also lost our sort of touch your parents because they're just next door kind of culture.
We don't have communities.
We've all moved away from each other.
Many people live tens of miles, if not hundreds or thousands of miles away from their parents.
And I just think these real things that you can reach out and touch are things that we desperately need.
tim pool
Doesn't it feel almost like it's intentional?
I mean, think about it.
The idea that you turn 18, move out, move away from your parents, separate from your family, go off to college.
You go to college, what happens?
You get a bunch of strangers indoctrinating you in these institutionalized learning facilities.
It just seems like a lot of things that have happened over the past 60-70 years have effectively orchestrated the downfall of the family and our society.
libby emmons
I'm not saying it is intentional.
tim pool
I'm saying it's just like you've got people who heavily advocate for separating yourself from your community, from your family.
libby emmons
I just think that's interesting.
When I was looking at college and stuff, my mom wanted me to go to college very far away.
We lived in Philadelphia.
I had only lived with my mom for two years.
I didn't know her that well.
I didn't really grow up with her.
And she was like, you should go to California.
You should go somewhere far away for college.
And I was like, I'll go to New York.
Like, you know, but I'm not – how far do you really want me to go?
I barely know you.
I don't have a home anywhere.
I was totally rootless and so I landed in New York and it's still a situation where I feel like I have no roots anywhere.
When I look around, you guys know I've had this struggle of should I stay?
Should I go to New York?
And it's like, I don't know where I'd go.
If there was a place where I could go home, if it was like, oh, I could just go back home, I would do that.
But I don't have, I don't have any like, Place that is the home that I know other than New York City.
It's weird.
ian crossland
I had that growing up We would go my dad's mom my grandma.
We lived like eight blocks away So we would go there every four days a week three days a week two days a week, whatever And then I moved in college.
I left the state and I now I haven't seen my parents I see him once every two years or something.
It doesn't feel right.
I was just talking to my mom yesterday about that just It's only a six hour drive, but it doesn't have that feeling of we're going to pop over to my grandma's house on the weekend.
tim pool
We can sort of bring up the don't say gay lie, the hoax from the Democrats.
The bill in Florida's true intent was to make sure parents are informed about what's happening with their kids.
The left lied and claimed it was don't say gay.
I know we've mentioned it several times, but I think this is relevant to what we're talking about.
If they're using these manipulations to try and stop transparency, One of the things in the bill is that teachers can't discourage children from talking to their parents.
unidentified
That's correct.
tim pool
Because one of the things these teachers are doing is telling the kids not to talk to their parents.
It just seems like there's a lot of external pressures on people to sever themselves from community, family, religion, etc.
Ultimately, you add in the transhumanist factor or the neural link and the metaverse, and what you end up with is, it feels like in order for there to be a metaverse, you would need these things beforehand.
unidentified
Yeah.
In order to get your hands on kids, you need to break up the family, and the strongest connection Pardon me for saying is mothers and children and surrogacy is a massive thing that totally separates the idea that mothers carry children and have children and raise and nurture infants and so all of it is there's not much that we're doing that actually reinforces the family
I know the family in America's got the weird connotations of family traditional like homophobic if you mention family values all of a sudden you're saying something anti-gay but it's it's just really interesting if I was a predator if I was a nasty predator predatory pedophile I would absolutely love the segregation of of children from families and mothers from children and disempowering
mothers and there's no greater way to disempower mothers than
actually rob women of all of their rights and power and vocabulary. Of all of their rights as a
libby emmons
mother, yeah, to even call yourself a mother.
Yeah. It's shockingly horrifying to see how this is going on and then you have school districts,
like in Florida there's a couple of cases. I was talking to a woman, January Littlejohn,
the other day who is suing her school district because they started their her daughter on the
road to gender transition and didn't tell the family. So another family in Florida
where they didn't know that their child was exploring gender identity at school
until the child tried to kill herself in the bathroom at the school.
And then it turned out that they were keeping, they were having like secret gender identity meetings.
And the idea...
tim pool
That was Florida, right?
libby emmons
That was Florida.
tim pool
Which precipitated the parental rights bill.
libby emmons
Right. Where they clearly need it.
You know, so you have a situation where educators and administrators think that it's their job to help children keep secrets from their parents because all parents are going to be abusers.
And they even said in that one case in Florida, well, the family is Catholic, so they're automatically going to be abusive and non-understanding.
And the father was like, what our religion teaches us to love our children.
tim pool
I kind of just feel like, you know, whether it's intentional or not, over the past several decades, there's been a major push for the precursor of transhumanism.
ian crossland
I think it's for sure intentional.
I find that if we're divided into subsects of classes in this species that we have, we have the elite and the plebeians, which is everyone else.
And it's really a class of elite, whatever you want to call them, where they, they are family tight.
They are knit units where they like the children run the business that the dad ran.
And they're always in contact and they're flying on their jets to see each other and their, their kids know their parents.
And then you've got everybody else, man.
And they're just letting the wild animals graze right now.
tim pool
I just kind of realized something.
I used to make the joke that the future is going to be everybody with shaved heads wearing jumpsuits or giant cones over their bodies so that no one can tell.
Like Kurt Vonnegut.
Harrison Bergeron, is that what it's called?
Harrison Bergeron.
And then I just realized why that's wrong.
Because people are going to plug themselves into the neural-linked metaverse, where you are just a gray blob.
And everyone will then just be the same generic avatar.
libby emmons
I don't think they will be the same avatar.
I think you get to pick your avatar.
No, no, no.
To start.
Oh, to start, yeah.
tim pool
To start, everyone's going to be the same.
unidentified
For sure.
tim pool
So it'll be the blank slate ideology.
libby emmons
And then you have to grind for your outfits and your stuff.
tim pool
Here's the interesting thing about it, though.
If you take every single human being and erase their minds, or if you do this, if you take one million babies and you put them in the metaverse where they all start off as genderless, you know, jumpsuit wearing little humans and they grow and develop and then, you know, around the time that they're 10 or whatever, it's like, now choose your gender and they can just pick.
I'll tell you this, you would find a massive correlation between biological sex and internal digital world gender.
So if you take a kid and raise them in the metaverse, I would be willing to bet there's like a 98% chance that kid would be like, I'm a boy or I'm a girl.
libby emmons
They would decide it, or they would be it.
tim pool
What I'm saying is, if you ask, if you take a child, a baby, and put them in the metaverse, where they never experience the real world, and they have no gender, then at 12 years old, they go to school, you ask them, which gender would you choose?
They would likely choose their biological sex.
libby emmons
The one they actually are.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
Yeah.
So even in the metaverse... They'd also really need to stretch out.
They'd be like, this feels uncomfortable.
tim pool
Well, their brain is neural-linked.
They wouldn't know that they're trapped in a pod.
libby emmons
So they wouldn't even know that they have a body?
tim pool
No.
And so, I mean, they probably would.
I think if we enter this transhumanist reality where everyone is a blank slate and everyone's born this way, you're going to have a million babies, they're going to grow up, and then you're going to see a 98% correlation with biological sex of the physical world body and the chosen gender in the metaverse.
libby emmons
Is it?
unidentified
Oh, go ahead.
Well, I was just going to say, look, because I'm far too hopeful to think this is the future for human beings.
But also, even if you're right, there's only going to be a certain number of people that can afford to join the, you don't think, the metaverse?
tim pool
Everybody's got a cell phone.
It's only a matter of time.
It'll start with the rich people, but then give it 10 years and it's going to be a $20 metaverse pass.
unidentified
And what about the people that are religious and are family connected in countries like India?
tim pool
See, I actually, I'm working on a TV show.
Yeah, so I can't say too much, but it basically explores the idea that there are a lot of people who will not take the Neuralink and a lot of people who want it.
And what Ian mentioned is there's kind of divergence happening within human evolution right now where you're going to have, what you said, homo cyberneticist or whatever?
Yeah, something like that.
Homo cybernetic versus homo sapien.
And you're going to have a lot of people who are like, this is the real world.
We love our family.
We believe in God.
It's interesting because we're now facing the real prospect of a divergence between the human species by choice almost, by ideology.
libby emmons
Did you read E.M.
Forrester's The Machine Stops?
So basically that's what happens in that it's like a little novella and I think he wrote it in like 1914 or something ridiculous like that and basically there's people in pods and All of their information comes to them through this view
screen and there's a machine that they can ask to bring them food and whatever it is that
they need.
But this one guy reaches out to his mom and the way that he has a mother is that the machine
set her up with this guy and they had a child and then the child was taken to like a nursery
pod where it was raised.
But anyway he reaches out to his mom and he's like, I would really like to breathe some
They live underground in this thing.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
I saw a movie that was basically this.
libby emmons
Yeah.
But it's interesting because in the book there is this one guy who's like, no, I'm not doing this.
He was raised in that environment and he comes to it on his own that he doesn't want to live like this.
And he eventually makes it to the surface of the earth where he dies from the poison air.
He tries.
I mean, it is kind of a happy ending because he's like, I made it.
I see the sun.
I see, you know.
tim pool
So for everybody listening, maybe you can, you guys, the audience is always really good at helping me out with this.
There's a show, it might be Electric Dream, was it Electric Dreams?
Is that what the show was called?
But I watch all these different sci-fi anthology shows.
It's a kid who lives in this, you know, pod where he plays video games all day and he interacts with his mom over text chat.
And they just play platform video games and food is automatic.
And then one day his pod breaks.
He has no choice but to go outside where he thinks the air is toxic, but it's not.
And then he goes to his mom and he knocks on the door and she's freaking out like, what is going on?
Why is there a person here?
It sounds very similar to what you were describing, but it's, you know.
libby emmons
Yeah, I mean, it sounds similar.
I think it's a similar theme in literature.
ian crossland
I wonder if you're gonna have, like, humans on Mars that are neural-linked, humans on Mars that aren't, humans on Earth that are neural-linked, humans on Earth that aren't, and you'll have, like, four different species, and then they'll all go to war and one of them will become the predominant species.
libby emmons
Would you do it?
Would you Neuralink Ian?
ian crossland
Yeah.
libby emmons
You would do it?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Some people are saying it was electric dreams.
ian crossland
I've been clearing my mind.
I was practicing meditation where you have no thought for like, ow, I can have like no thought for an hour.
And the metaverse can be real important because they're going to be trying to read your thoughts.
So you got to like, the end of Ghostbusters were like, don't think of anything.
And he thinks of the marshmallow man.
libby emmons
Right.
unidentified
He sure does.
ian crossland
Don't think of anything.
You need a clear thought or they're going to be controlling them.
unidentified
So do you think then in this happy future that we're all looking at, that those in maybe authoritarian religious countries, will they be less likely to hook up?
tim pool
I don't know about that.
It's a great way to control the population.
Yeah.
So they might just say, we'll create our own isolated introverse where everyone can, you know, it depends on whether you think the people who run, do you think the people who lead Iran are actually religious or they just want power and control?
unidentified
Well, I think they're both.
tim pool
Because then if it's just about power and control, they'll say whatever they have to and absolutely would adopt a metaverse like system.
If they're actually religious, they probably would resist.
Depends on how religious or how they interpret their religion.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, there'll be religions in the metaverse and stuff where it's like, it becomes a religion.
tim pool
You know, the funniest thing is, you know, it'd be hilarious if we're actually in it right now.
ian crossland
What I think will happen is some people will start, they'll start metaversing government, military, and then they'll see it's so powerful to be able to control the machines with your thoughts that even the most religious zealous will start doing it because it's either that or die.
Like, don't fall behind on the technology.
It's a weapon.
It can be used as a weapon for sure.
unidentified
If we were in it right now, I don't think my children would be so rude.
tim pool
You might not know, you know.
Maybe we're the remnants of a post-apocalyptic civilization that destroyed the planet and purposefully chose to put ourselves in a matrix so that we can live... Oh, that's such a road to hell.
unidentified
That whole thought process is, yeah, that's a spiral into a void.
ian crossland
I don't think we are.
Just only because I have no evidence.
I don't think we're not.
I just don't think we are.
tim pool
No, I agree with that.
But I do think it really does feel like that's the direction we're going in.
You've got people who jump from one cause to another.
You see what Elon Musk tweeted?
I support current thing.
It's the NPC meme holding Ukrainian flag with all the other flags around it.
And I'm like, that's a great point.
I'm wondering what it is that has created this large group of millions of people who are mindless drones.
Makes me wonder.
What if?
Well, I'll put it this way.
I think those people are absolutely going to Neuralink and go into the metaverse and just live and march in lockstep.
I also wonder if it's true that we are living in some kind of simulation.
Maybe we're the people who are actually in the pods and they actually are NPCs, you know.
libby emmons
Oh, the whole NPC thing?
I watched that show Free Guy the other day, that movie, with my son.
He was like, we should watch this.
Because I was telling him that I thought the whole NPC concept was really wild.
And I was like, what if there's NPCs in real life?
And he was like, yeah, I've been thinking about that.
We should watch this movie.
And I'm like, you're 11.
You came up with this already.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think people can like go into NPC mode and then snap back out of it and all of a sudden they have sentience again.
They're like, oh my gosh, what have I done?
Sometimes I'll even wake up and be like, wow, what was I doing yesterday?
I was in like a weird fog yesterday and today.
unidentified
I don't know.
libby emmons
I had this weird thing during COVID where like it took me a little while to realize that this was going on.
But, you know, we were, like, locked down and you couldn't go anywhere and everything was closed.
And I started to, like, just not want to move.
I just didn't want to move at all.
And then I realized, like, oh, you have this weird idea that if you just stop moving, this whole thing will be over sooner.
tim pool
Oh, we have a correction.
Kyle Billing says, the movie I was referring to was 2149 The Aftermath.
And I remember, no, that's... Oh, I'm going to write that down.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
It sounds basically like what you talked about.
The air was poisonous and he was in a pod or whatever.
libby emmons
2149, The Aftermath?
tim pool
Yeah.
You know what movie's also cool?
Totally, totally irrelevant.
It's Time Trap.
libby emmons
I don't know that.
tim pool
That movie's great.
ian crossland
Cool name.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
You think people are in such a state of panic right now that they're just kind of like head down, wait for this all to end, wait for the whole war in Iraq to end, wait for the COVID to end, wait for all the pain, all the things I'm afraid of, yeah, wait for the alien invasion that hasn't been false flagged on us yet to end.
libby emmons
Well, we really want things to end.
Like as a culture it seems like I don't really some people know I don't want things to end either But like I feel like our culture is really gearing up for just being like and that's it.
We burned ourselves out.
tim pool
That's it enough gravity gravity Was it I think Seamus came up with the joke we're talking about what the future would be like and he was like wouldn't it be funny if It's like 200 years in the future and everything's just the same and some guy like gets in a time machine and goes to the future and he comes out and everything was normal like it was when he left and And he's like, he asked someone what year it was and they're like, oh, it's 2222.
And he's like, but everything's the same.
And they're like, that was it.
Like, that was, that was all our ideas.
We ran out.
That was it.
Nothing else after that.
We kind of just, you know, just there's, there's a bunch of more McDonald's, but you know, other than that, nothing real beyond the kiosk.
libby emmons
Right.
It's like a Mike Judge movie.
ian crossland
For sure.
They've talked about the end of the world for the millennia, since the beginning of humanity.
Someone's out there like, it's all coming to an end.
unidentified
This is it.
libby emmons
We're constantly obsessed with the end.
There's this play.
I think it's called American Dream.
Maybe it's not, but it's by this playwright, Len Jenkin, who's this New York playwright.
And at the end of this sort of wild romp, all of these characters just start saying, I don't care about philosophy.
Just tell me how it ends.
I don't care about philosophy.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, I'm at the point where I'm like, I feel like we've reached a certain number of seasons of Humanity to where they're doing reruns, you know.
lydia smith
Kinda sucks.
tim pool
Yeah, it's just a repeat and then it's just like, okay.
It's like, I went and saw The Batman this past weekend.
libby emmons
They call it THE Batman.
That's like what the movie is called, THE Batman.
tim pool
But The Batman is a common thing.
That phrase has been around for a long time.
There's a cartoon called The Batman.
There's comics of The Batman.
libby emmons
If I could have any superpowers it would be Batman's because he's just rich.
tim pool
Actually, his superpower is defined as peak human because he's trained on the mountaintops and he's a master of ninjutsu and he's also rich.
libby emmons
I would just really go with the, once we get the rich part, I'd be okay.
tim pool
I digress.
Sorry.
That was a movie where I was, you know, it starts off like pretty good and then slowly gets worse, but never ends.
It just doesn't stop.
It's like, we've caught the bad guy.
And I'm like, well, it's finally over.
And there's an act four.
And I'm like, okay.
And then they introduced a whole bunch of random plot elements.
And I'm like, okay, at this point, and I feel like that was a great, that movie was a great way to understand life in the past decade.
unidentified
Oh, you think it's over and it just keeps going.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
But more and more absurd.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, you know, we went from we've got a pandemic with then we got a pandemic started.
Get this.
Let's recount the past couple of years.
A pandemic starts.
All right.
Everyone's like, we're shutting down.
The president, who's Donald Trump, by the way, gets on TV and says, we're going to be banning travel with Europe.
And I'm sitting there with my friends and we're like, whoa, it's getting serious.
And then two months later, the biggest riots we've seen in five decades.
Billions of dollars in damage, 30 plus dead.
And I'm like, is it a pandemic happening?
And then we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, back to the pandemic.
And then I'm like, okay, that didn't end.
Now, intermittent and all of that is like escalation of civil war, people being killed in the streets.
And it's like, man, the more we see this stuff, the more it feels like the country is going to collapse.
And then all of a sudden, World War III starts.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And you have the new president.
Just go ahead.
I'm sorry.
someone you know.
libby emmons
And you have the new president, just go ahead, I'm sorry.
tim pool
Oh, I know, the president's Joe Biden now.
It's like, we thought it was funny that Donald Trump was the president because he's like
a TV reality star, and now we have Joe Biden who is essentially a Mr. Magoo.
libby emmons
Yeah, he is Mr. Magoo.
He also, he sits up there, he hardly says, he like, looks at you with his little slinty eyes, and then he whispers, you know, he's like, it's not gonna be World War III, we're not sending troops into Ukraine.
tim pool
Have you guys seen the South Park episode where it turns out Earth is a reality show, and the aliens are just like, we're done with the show, so they're gonna blow the Earth up.
It's like, you know, 3,000 seasons, and we're just done.
libby emmons
That's a fun thing in sci-fi where the earth is actually just totally irrelevant and they're going to pave it over for a highway like in Hitchhikers and stuff.
unidentified
What do you think is going to be the next thing then when normal people get peaked into understanding that they're being massively lied to?
I don't know if that'll happen.
See, because of what I do and I defend women's rights, then I'm used to the media peddling what I call lies about really important... What you call?
What are?
What are lies.
Factually lies.
And I'm kind of used to that.
I'm used to our politicians going along with telling absolute silly lies about biological sex and what words mean.
But then we had the pandemic in which that sort of really propelled more lies and narratives and really obvious, overt, kind of dishonest narratives.
And now we've got the war in Ukraine, which because of all these, these lies, I think people are finding it really difficult to believe anything that's being told by the mainstream media.
And so where, where the hell next?
libby emmons
Well, on Thursday, I don't know if you saw this, the White House invited 30 TikTok stars to give them the propagandist lines about the war in Ukraine.
unidentified
Is that like when Biden got Cardi B?
libby emmons
Oh my goodness.
Yeah.
So they, you know, what, what could be next?
What could be next?
I think actually we have a lot of stuff going on with, uh, voting rights.
I wonder if that could be part of it.
Like the, there's like, Oh, I don't know.
tim pool
I'm going to get into all that.
libby emmons
That's a mess though.
tim pool
I don't think that's big enough.
Like, you know, COVID was huge and engulfed everyone.
Black Lives Matter was huge and engulfed everyone.
Now World War III or whatever you want to call it.
libby emmons
That'll engulf everyone.
Well, that will be the third thing, right?
ian crossland
That was my first thought was aliens, but I think it's too obvious now.
libby emmons
You think it's too obvious?
That's just not going to be the plot point.
unidentified
Because we don't talk in class. Yeah Yeah, but not
tim pool
it feels like You know, we live in a reality where someone is trying to
keep people entertained, you know And it's just like okay regular human human civilization
wasn't working Let's ramp things up.
ian crossland
The elite are trying to keep the plebs entertained.
tim pool
Or, or it's, you know, in 2016, the Large Hadron Collider fired up for the first time.
Is that what happened right before Trump got elected?
libby emmons
That was wild.
tim pool
Now we're just in this crazy multiverse of madness.
Dr. Strange is, you know... That's sort of an interesting... A clone?
libby emmons
Oh my goodness.
unidentified
Like Dolly the Sheep in the UK, that didn't go well.
tim pool
There's like 10 different Bidens, there's all just different clones of them.
libby emmons
Probably this war thing is going to keep ramping up, right?
ian crossland
What is?
libby emmons
Probably the war is going to keep ramping up.
ian crossland
The Ukraine thing?
tim pool
I think we are headed towards hot war between NATO and Russia, for sure.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think that's what we're looking at.
tim pool
Well, so let me give you guys a direct reference.
I don't know if I actually, I'm pretty sure I pulled it up.
libby emmons
Maybe we can send the TikToks.
tim pool
Here we go.
So this is just a general update from Daily Mail.
It's not going to be World War III.
This is all a bluff.
Democrats and Republicans ramp up demands to Biden to send Polish MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine because Putin is escalating every day.
We also have Estonia, the first NATO country formally through parliament calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
Every day, we're inching closer and closer to some reason the US or NATO has to be involved in this.
And now we're getting these stories.
On March 11th, ABC News reported that Russia was moving in with biochem suits.
Why would they say that?
Because they don't just come out outright and say, Russia fired a biological weapon.
They say, remember last week when we saw the Russians wearing those bio suits?
This is why!
And now already NATO, some US official has said it's effectively, you know, a red line, you know, it's crossing the line.
It's a red line for NATO if Vladimir Putin uses chemical weapons.
libby emmons
Well, Biden said that last week.
He said he was asked by reporters when he gave his little speech on Friday.
I think it was Friday.
About what if Putin uses biochemical weapons and Biden said there would be a severe price
but you also have the White House saying that a biochemical weapons attack from Russia would be a false
flag They also talked about that already. Yeah, they're talking
about all kinds of stuff It's very hard to... I mean, I cover the news every day.
We don't cover a lot of, like, what's going on on the ground in Ukraine at Post Millennial.
We're not foreign policy experts, so we don't cover that.
We cover what's going on in the U.S.
about it.
We cover what's going on in Canada about it.
But, like, we're reading all of this stuff every day.
We're trying to figure out what's going on.
We're trying to understand it.
And it gets more and more confusing all the time.
It's like it's hard to know what's going on.
We don't speak the language.
It's very clear that you have two sides there that are very well-versed in how to create propaganda wars.
And they're doing it.
And we don't know what's what.
tim pool
It's all lies, man.
Both parties, every party to this, whether it's China, whether it's Russia or the U.S., has a reason to lie.
And it's just impossible to know what's going on.
You've got these people on Twitter, you've got these people in media, even people on Fox News.
It feels like the personalities on Fox News are trying to remain as close to the populist American message of, we don't like war, as possible, while still crop dusting.
Vladimir Putin is crossing that line and something needs to be done.
But I think Fox News knows their audience would be like, no war.
Like, you know, we're not gonna play that game.
libby emmons
But Fox News is one of the outlets that keeps sort of talking about how there should be a no-fly zone.
tim pool
No, that's what I mean.
It's like, you know, I was watching The Five and I was watching Jesse Watters and Bret Baier.
libby emmons
Jesse Watters is like out there being smug, like, hey, we should have a no-fly zone.
tim pool
That's Jesse.
lydia smith
I mean, that's Jesse.
libby emmons
Yeah, I don't like that.
tim pool
No, for sure.
But it does feel like, you know, even Greg Gutfeld's, you know, somewhat like, I don't know what's going on or what they're saying.
You turn on like MSNBC and Rachel Maddow is just like, do as the cult says!
I mean, she's not really on TV anymore, but you get the point.
unidentified
I mean, I discussed before we came on that a guy on the BBC stood and gave a piece to camera with dead Russian soldiers by his feet.
Wow.
I mean, we're just in really nasty realms of Dehumanizing soldiers, which I'm I'm guessing didn't have much of a say in whether or not Russia Went into Ukraine.
tim pool
I don't I don't it's remarkable to me how we keep hearing this narrative that Russia's losing But then like when you actually look at the details, it's like a Russian Russia's expanding, you know Like the media keeps showing these small stories of victories for Ukraine, you know, there's one video going viral It's like Russian convoy ambushed and one tank gets hit and then you see all those little stories but then the big picture is Russia gains more ground, Russia takes over a city.
I was in South Korea a couple years ago, and forgive me my South Korean family and friends.
I went to this museum about a great South Korean general, and it was funny to me because it was like this was a great naval leader who led South, you know, Korea, because it was like, you know, ancient time battles, so it was all of Korea, in great war against Japan or something.
And I noticed something interesting.
It was like, in the first battle, a great, you know, 500 ships confronted each other, and then it was like, you go to the next historical slide, and it's like, the great general leading 50 ships against the 300, what a decisive victory!
Then you go to the next one, and it's like, his 12 ships led a decisive victory against the, you know, the 300 or whatever, and I'm like, okay, so, so hold on.
Like, you're omitting the 9 out of 10 times he lost and only showing me the 1 out of 10 times he won.
It's, you know, that's kind of what it feels like is happening here with Ukraine.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
They show all these little victories, but the bigger picture is Russia is slow rolling and moving in and taking over.
unidentified
But what's the aim with those lies?
Is it to make Putin really angry that we're talking about him being a loser?
ian crossland
Demoralize the Russian troops so that they fight worse.
tim pool
Maybe, but I don't think they're watching this stuff.
I think it's more so to convince the American people that we can and will win.
ian crossland
Yeah, that does that too.
tim pool
And then when there's a chemical attack, they can be like, oh no, look, guys, you know we're winning, but we got to end it now because of what Russia just did.
And then all of a sudden, you know, Russia is winning, then all of a sudden NATO comes in, flattens Russia.
libby emmons
So you think NATO is going to just go in?
What would they do?
What would they like?
tim pool
NATO has 30,000 troops right now in Norway doing war games.
And 50 warships moved into the region, which is, it's the Baltic Sea, it borders Russia.
And it's kind of like, is that a coincidence?
You know, they want to cancel this ICBM test to deescalate things, but then send 30,000 troops for a war game, you know, with 50 warships.
I don't think they're up there for war games.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I think they needed a reason to send all of those troops and get them ready.
libby emmons
And just leave them there.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because Russia's been amassing troops.
libby emmons
We know that.
Right.
We know that.
That's for a long time.
I was in a cab actually recently with a friend of mine and it was an Uber and the Uber driver
was like really, we were like, hey, how you doing?
And he was like, I actually just got word today that I'm shipping out in a couple days.
I put in for my retirement in August, and now instead they're shipping me to Germany.
unidentified
Wow.
libby emmons
Yeah.
lydia smith
Geez.
tim pool
To Germany?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Interesting.
lydia smith
I'm really curious what you guys think of Trevor Noah coming out and saying, basically, if Trump were in charge, this would not be happening.
And he thinks that Biden probably wishes he could bring Trump in as president wildcard.
unidentified
Did he?
tim pool
Wait, Trevor Noah said that?
libby emmons
Yeah, he sure did.
It was pretty amazing.
We covered that.
tim pool
Bill Maher said something similar.
libby emmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Well, Trump said to, I think, Sean Hannity the other night that he said something to Putin that made Putin clear that he should not invade Ukraine.
It was probably something like, I'm a crazy man and I might just nuke ya!
tim pool
He said he would nuke Moscow.
So this is the craziest thing because I think it's insane and it's one of the things that worries me about Trump, but if it works, I guess.
The official reporting was that New York Post ran a story saying Trump reportedly told Xi and Putin.
He told Putin, if you go into Ukraine, I will hit Moscow.
He told Xi, if you go into Taiwan, I will hit Beijing.
And both leaders were like shocked.
But hold on.
Trump then came out and bragged.
I told him I would nuke Moscow!
And he knew I meant it.
ian crossland
And I'm like, he believes it may be like 5 percent, but that's all you need.
tim pool
Is that what he said?
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
The thing, too, though, is like the the benefit of having Trump as president, like he was essentially an antiwar president.
The benefit of having him as president was that he was so unpredictable and crazy that no one knew what he was going to do.
He was like the homeless guy on a corner with a knife and crazy crack guys, you know.
So America was like this crazy, unpredictable, Nation with nukes run by... No, it's like someone handed him an AR and everyone's like, whoa.
unidentified
I think he was a predictable man.
I think he was a predictable, large-shouldered, kind of bullish bloke.
I think you knew exactly what he was gonna do.
libby emmons
Which is like a crazy thing.
unidentified
Well, I think he'd...
I'm trying not to swear.
If it was a urinating contest, he would always be the guy to win.
Yes, that's correct.
I think Americans should have felt safer in his hands than ever in Biden's.
libby emmons
I felt safer with a crazy man at the helm than somebody who's imminently reasonable.
unidentified
Well, a crazy guy that wants to win.
libby emmons
But Biden's not.
tim pool
Biden's sleepy.
ian crossland
He kind of created like a crazy persona, Trump did, and it worked in cases like with Putin, thought maybe he would hit Moscow with a nuke, but the American people believed it.
They bought into it as well.
So they thought he was crazy.
Half of them thought he was really crazy.
It turned out he was one of the more stable presidents militarily.
tim pool
I feel like Trump was the kind of guy to where you could brag about doing something that's kind of like, Amoral or... Well, he did.
No, no, no, not Trump.
I'm saying if you said something like, Trump could never beat me in a pissing contest, Trump would be like, when I take a leak, I spray it so far.
libby emmons
So far.
unidentified
So far.
tim pool
Everybody knows it.
Everybody knows.
I can, I can write my name in cursive.
ian crossland
You'd be like, I throw a ball faster than Trump.
unidentified
No, I throw the best balls, the furthest balls.
ian crossland
I throw them all.
libby emmons
I throw my balls.
tim pool
No, but only weird things.
Like if you said, you know, I'm a pro bowler and I could beat Trump at bowling, he'd probably be like, well, he's a great bowler.
unidentified
He's very good.
tim pool
Everybody respects him.
But it was like, it was weird things he would lie about where you're like, why is he so adamant about like, That being the thing... But that's a reliable guy, right?
unidentified
Because you know that he's going to say that when people challenge him.
So someone like Putin or China, when they're sort of coming up and saying, We're going to be the world superpower.
He's like, no way.
I'm the superest superpower that ever walked the earth.
tim pool
That 5% thing is actually a really great point because everybody knows that Joe Biden's got a 0% chance of launching any nukes or taking any hard military action.
libby emmons
He's not going to do a thing.
tim pool
And everybody probably says, you know, even Putin and Xi would be like, Trump probably won't do it.
And then their advisors go, probably?
And it's like, hmm.
unidentified
They're like, Biden's asleep.
He's never going to do anything.
libby emmons
Well, Biden is never going to do anything.
No, he's a useless, doddering old man.
tim pool
He'll, you know, he'll yell, come on, man, to Putin.
unidentified
Right.
Come on, man.
libby emmons
And then maybe he'll whisper and, like, sniff some little girl's hair.
tim pool
Yeah, he's reliable in sniffing women.
libby emmons
He's great at that.
tim pool
So we have Chicken City, which is our new live stream, where it's just the chickens doing their thing.
And, you know, chickens are animals, so they do animal behaviors.
But people calling whatever, you know, Roberto the rooster is getting feisty.
People saying, you know, Roberto giving the old Biden sniff to the girls and stuff like that.
A good old bite and sniff.
And I'm like, that's that's one way to put it.
It's funny because it's a rather family friendly show.
It's just chickens and we make jokes and I threw blueberries to them and stuff like that.
But the comments are hilarious when people like make jokes about chickens.
libby emmons
One of our people on our social media team.
tim pool
They fight for it.
ian crossland
Oh, I thought they didn't.
Those are the young ones.
They don't eat them because they don't know their food yet.
tim pool
Oh, little ones were confused.
libby emmons
They didn't like the blueberries?
One of the people on our social media team, Beth Bache, she's a reporter of ours.
She was in Ottawa covering the truckers and everything.
She's terrific.
Every time Biden does a sniffy thing, she's like, I'm getting this clip.
Just wait.
He's sniffing people again.
He's sniffing the girls again.
It's wonderful.
tim pool
This is our reporter, John.
His beat is Biden sniffing little girls.
He's like, yeah, basically I just watch all of his presentations and I just pull the clips of him sniffing women.
ian crossland
Is he getting nutrition from people when he does that?
Because I know when you smell something, you get particles of the thing go into your body when you're smelling it.
libby emmons
It's getting grosser and grosser.
ian crossland
Like when you're in the bathroom and it's stinking.
tim pool
Biden can't help it.
He sustains himself.
ian crossland
I require nutrients.
tim pool
Yeah, he's a smellitarian.
ian crossland
I have to smell them.
unidentified
I need some energy.
tim pool
Yeah, he smells.
He latches on and all right.
ian crossland
I mean that's gross because a good smell will wake you up and that's really gross if that's what he's doing.
libby emmons
That's nasty.
tim pool
Let's go to Super Chats.
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We record and then we publish it live.
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At 11 or so p.m.
So check it out and support the show at TimCast.com, but let's read some here superchats we got Ossie Trutler says, hello there from Chicken City.
You know, I think Chicken City is our fastest growing new show.
We got 11,300 subscribers in one week.
lydia smith
Reliable cast, yeah.
tim pool
One week, absolutely.
All right, let's see.
We got Silver Bear says, hello Tim and crew.
I sent my resume and portfolio to pitches at Timcast.
I wasn't sure where else to send it.
I love writing.
I want to try doing it for a living.
We will look out for it right now.
I'll tell you this, guys.
We're looking for I don't know how to describe it.
We need people who skate and want to film vlog stuff every day because we essentially need like an executive producer for the vlog.
There's a bunch of ideas we have.
We want it to be fun with cool activities like we launched the race cars over the garage roof.
But we also want to do just like gags with the crew.
So like we did the thing where Seamus tortured people, pretended to.
So just fun stuff like that, but we need someone whose job it is to basically focus on that.
So if you're interested.
ian crossland
Yeah, if you could do lighting and sound design as well, that'd be huge.
tim pool
Lighting and sound design?
ian crossland
Yeah, if we could, yeah, I think if we, if it looks like cinema quality.
No, I don't know about that.
It'll get like a magnitude more followers.
tim pool
That'd have to be a different person.
Maybe.
I'm talking about someone who's like a charismatic personality and writer, not a production person.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'd be down to have a good tech on board.
tim pool
But, you know, we'll take it all, so, you know, I'll hire- It's always good to have a good tech person.
ian crossland
Oh, sound is everything.
tim pool
We can hire ten people if they're like, we're gonna put together a show and have a good time.
But, you know, ultimately, we got so much stuff going on here, we just need someone who wants to organize it.
We've got the airbag launch thing, we built a new patio, we're building new skate ramps, we've got Fredamistan, and we got chickens, and we're gonna get goats.
So we just need someone whose job it is to, like, wrap those ideas up, and so, you know, put into the vlog, do jokes and things like that.
All right, let's see.
Memotype says, Shoe One Head did a great video about cuties.
She does a giant breakdown of just how messed up it all is.
Shoe watched it, so you don't have to.
Yeah, you know, here's the challenge, right?
You know, how are you going to criticize something you haven't seen?
And I'm like, well, the issue is I've seen the trailers and I've seen relevant clips from, you know, critique.
And it's like, maybe I didn't see the scene where the little girl talks to her mom about baking cookies, but I don't want to watch the movie and watch it.
Like, I wouldn't want to watch the three minute dance routine, but it is a challenge.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
Because, like, I guess shoe watch it so I don't have to, you know what I mean?
libby emmons
Is it still on there?
Is Cutie still on Netflix?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure it is.
unidentified
I think so, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah, someone rec... So we have two chickens with no names because they were adopted, and someone wanted us to name them, at least one of them, Shoe on Egg.
libby emmons
Oh, that's really cute.
tim pool
So we did.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And I guess the other one is Hensacky because... I like that too.
Because...
It's like, it's like a goldish, like, it's like a, it's like a, it's a light brownish, like a burnt, it's almost red, it's not quite, but there's someone there, like, Hensaki, and I was like, that's a really good one, you know, Hensaki.
Someone else said Hen Shapiro.
lydia smith
Yeah, I like that too.
tim pool
But I'm like, no, but we would need a little rooster, you know what I mean?
libby emmons
Yeah, that would have to be a rooster, a little black rooster.
tim pool
We have one.
lydia smith
A bossy little black rooster.
unidentified
With like, you know, little tuft of, little tuft of feathers.
libby emmons
It'd be cute.
lydia smith
It'd be adorable.
tim pool
TheMadMachina says, Ian, Carlin did it, the seven words, because he believed censorship of those words was wrong.
Your logic in this analogy would mean the creators believed this behavior should be acceptable.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think they did.
That's why they did it.
It's like a social statement of, like, look in the darkness.
Look at the darkness.
But, like, looking at something that's horrific so that you can say, hey, I saw it, isn't necessarily good for you.
tim pool
Michael McCarthy says, Wow, is that Kelly Jay on Tim Pool?
Well done.
I think this might finally be the sign that I really am in a simulation.
This is a great part of the simulation, though.
Well, then definitely check out our Members Only segment coming up at 11 p.m.
This will be a lot of fun.
All right.
Leguma Thigayan, I'm probably always pronouncing that wrong, says, Dear Kelly slash Posey, I admire your courage in the face of the irrational crusading mob of woke progressive fanatics on both sides of the ocean.
We need far more people like you.
I know you'll never give up your fight.
Be well from Florida.
unidentified
Aw, thanks.
There you go.
tim pool
All right.
Darun Albain says, Tim, the released maps for the Russian strikes in lab locations.
The maps are distorted, impossible to line up.
Interesting.
Did you guys see The View called for the arrest of Tulsi and Tucker Carlson?
unidentified
Wild.
libby emmons
Yes.
They actually called for the Department of Justice to do it, just like the Department of Justice is going to investigate parents for being upset about mask mandates in schools.
tim pool
And they said, people used to get arrested for this kind of stuff.
The DOJ needs to investigate this.
It's like...
lydia smith
It's called McCarthyism.
tim pool
You call it whatever.
I mean, it's just, you know, people are like, we went from Civil War to World War III.
And I'm like, no, we didn't.
We went from Civil War and, you know, added in World War III.
libby emmons
Layering it on top.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
It's like the seven layer dip.
We just all need some chips.
tim pool
Sir Bancelot says, hey Tim, this is concerning student loans.
In Australia, we have something called the HECS system, where you have your taxpayer-backed student loans you can't default on with no interest.
What stops Americans from having this?
libby emmons
Ineptitude?
We do have federal student loans.
tim pool
Yeah, but they have interest rates.
Yeah, they do have interest rates. Yeah, he's saying they don't. Oh. Because my thing is,
I don't think we should just forgive everyone's student loan debt, but we should eliminate the
interest rates. So it's like, pay back what you borrowed, and you know, maybe with inflation or
something. So it's like, you got to pay back the money you borrowed, you know what I mean?
libby emmons
I think you probably shouldn't be allowed to get federal student loans for degrees in gender identity.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
I think we should not give out student loans at all.
It's like if you want to go to college, get a job, save up money, two years later, you know, go to college.
libby emmons
Or maybe the college would pay for it.
But the problem with your thing is then only rich people would go to college, which was what the student loan program was trying to fix anyway.
tim pool
And all it did was made everyone's lives worse.
libby emmons
And it made college way more expensive.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It didn't solve anything.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Because now all these schools have giant endowments.
tim pool
But you could also work your way through college.
People do that.
libby emmons
That used to be a thing as well.
When like a state school was $12,000 a year, you could do that.
tim pool
Yep.
libby emmons
Now you can't.
unidentified
Because it's like 65.
If you link it to inflation by now, maybe by next year, it'll be about 400%.
Yeah.
Wow.
You'll pay back so much.
libby emmons
And so much of what universities are, are administrative departments.
unidentified
I mean, it's so peculiar.
Like in the UK, you could do a degree in golf.
libby emmons
In golf?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What?
Yeah, all right.
Folklore mythology is always interesting, right?
All right, we got Mike Hillier.
He says, Tim, you are wrong at what a MRA is.
You are repeating MSM narrative.
Vosch is acting like a feminist.
Talk to Karen Straw or is it Strawn?
Strawn?
About MRAs.
And then we have another one saying, Tim, please stop calling Vosch an MRA.
Then we have Zerank saying Vosch is not an MRA.
No, no, my friends, you all don't understand.
You're looking at the phrase MRA as though it's a proper noun.
I'm referring to Vaush as the non-proper noun.
He is an advocate.
He is advocating for the rights of men.
I didn't say all rights.
I didn't say he was in line with your proper noun view of the acronym MRA.
If a human being says that they're going to go online and advocate for the rights of men, they're a men's rights advocate or activist.
You know, there's not one, there's not one group of, you know, like feminists have a bunch of different branches.
MRAs can have a bunch of different branches.
He's a leftist MRA.
unidentified
He's definitely not a feminist of any stripe, including the many terrible feminists that walk the earth.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right.
The Wrong Writer says, playing World of Warcraft while watching this.
Scary.
Also, have a look at Norman Dodd on Tax-Exempt Foundations.
Very eye-opening discussion.
World of Warcraft was scary, man.
I was addicted to it, like 2006, for like a good month, month or two.
I would do nothing but wake up, play.
And I always tell people, South Park did that episode where they gained all that weight and got really fat from playing Warcraft.
That's not true.
You become extremely malnourished.
libby emmons
Oh, because you just don't eat?
tim pool
It's called a bio when you're raiding with your friends, and it's like a bio meaning you gotta eat, drink, or go to the bathroom.
Typically, it's a bathroom thing, but people would be like, no.
It's like, hey, we're gonna go, you know, we're gonna go raid, you know, whatever.
And then people are like, I gotta take a break, man.
I gotta get some food or something.
You'd be like, oh, come on, dude.
Are you kidding?
We're like, we wanna start.
We gotta wait for you.
We have 40 people.
And you'd be like, oh, okay, whatever.
So I think I dropped like 20 pounds and I was like super thin because you'll drink water and all I was doing was ordering a calzone.
unidentified
So what did you say?
World of... Warcraft.
tim pool
World of Warcraft.
unidentified
Just write that down.
libby emmons
I was thinking that too.
This is like when I was in middle school and I saw the Karen Carpenter documentary and it talked about how she was anorexic and like she lost all this weight and I was like, that's a killer idea.
lydia smith
That's a great idea, right?
unidentified
That's actually a killer idea.
libby emmons
Yeah.
I ended up so hungry, it was like half a day.
tim pool
All right, we got Caltox Reaper says, Tim and Ian, you both need to watch the anime Ghost in the Shell Standalone Complex.
It covers a lot of what is being talked about.
Good sir, I have seen it.
I've seen the movie and I know absolutely about Ghost in the Shell.
Yeah, it's great.
The laughing man thing's fantastic.
I love the graphic.
It's a guy, he basically can hack people's brains so they can see what he wants them to see.
And so when they try and look at him on cameras and the surveillance footage, he hacks the system.
So you only see this Salinger quote.
I thought what I would do is I would pretend I was one of those deaf mutes just like spinning around a smiley face.
So they're like – they ask people, like, what do you look like?
He's like, I can't remember.
So when your brains are cyberized or in the network, powerful people or hackers are going to decide what you can
think or remember.
That's the future, man.
ian crossland
That's yucky.
I think they call it cyberdized.
libby emmons
Cyberdized?
ian crossland
Yeah, like hybrid, but with cyber.
libby emmons
Cyberized, maybe?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Yep, cyberized.
All right.
Caitlin says, I was a tomboy as a kid in the 80s and very feminine now.
I'm so thankful my parents didn't just think I really wanted to be a boy.
lydia smith
Girl, me too.
Same.
tim pool
I mean, I'll tell you something right now that's probably offensive to a bunch of people.
The first 1080 done on a skateboard was done by, I think, a 12-year-old boy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There's no 12-year-old girl who is also, you know, hitting the first 1080.
I mean, it's a massive spin.
And so I've brought this up to people because there's a lot of people who argue like, oh, puberty is a defining point at which a male gains the advantage in sports.
And I'm like, then why are there like 10 and 12-year-old boys competing at the national level in skateboarding, but no girls?
ian crossland
I want to just shout out all you girls out there, from a guy's perspective, women are the coolest thing on earth.
So please cherish it.
unidentified
It's amazing.
Go with it.
libby emmons
I like that.
tim pool
I think that's very true for women as well, though, to be honest.
Not like equally, you know, because men are just obviously obsessed with women.
But the gag, the joke people always say is, on the cover of a men's magazine, is it a man or a woman?
unidentified
It's a woman.
tim pool
On the cover of a woman's magazine, is it a man or a woman?
It's a woman.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, the woman.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
But that's because men don't look as good in women's clothes and those magazines are about selling clothes.
ian crossland
Speak for yourself, lady.
unidentified
It's interesting you talk about the puberty thing because when advocates in the UK to try and stop women's sports being invaded by men, they will talk about puberty.
Well actually the advantages that men have over women is is not just puberty, it's bone density, it's muscle fiber, it's cardiovascular system, it's muscle memory even, of remembering how strong you were before a little bit of testosterone suppressant, which never suppresses the testosterone to a point the same as a woman.
tim pool
It's impossible to suppress prenatal testosterone when you're already born.
And so that impacts muscle fiber and bone density and all that stuff.
libby emmons
The average of women's testosterone that women naturally have in their bodies, I think, is like – the highest is like 2.4, I think.
unidentified
It's very low.
libby emmons
It's like nanomules or whatever per liter.
And for the IOC, their regulation for biological males who want to compete in women's sports is that your testosterone has to be 10.
Nanomules per liter, which is still multitudes and multitudes higher than what the highest average women's testosterone in their bodies would be.
unidentified
If a woman had that level of testosterone, she'd be accused of doping and cheating.
Yes.
tim pool
Oh, she'd have a beard.
libby emmons
Yeah, at least.
A lot of stuff.
tim pool
So we got, Tara says, low fertility is a result of poor diet.
Eating low protein diets, low animal fats, and high vegetable and seed oils completely ruins your hormones.
I'll mention this, we talked a little bit to Ryan Long and Danny Polischuk about NAD.
You guys familiar with that?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Something, I think Joe Rogan talks about it quite a bit.
Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide.
And I've been getting that, but part of that means I get my, I get like a basically a physical every time they check my blood pressure.
Since I started doing a higher protein diet and a lower sugar diet, my health has massively improved.
Massively.
libby emmons
Higher protein, less sugar?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, I think it's fairly obvious, right?
Everybody says cut the carbs and eat better protein, so I've been eating way more protein.
Instead of a snack being sugar-based, my snacks are protein-based.
That was the big change.
For one, I snack a lot less now, which is probably why I lost weight.
When I do snack, we have bacon.
We have little individually wrapped bacons.
You just rip them open.
libby emmons
I mostly just eat fruit when I snack.
tim pool
High sugar.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Delicious.
And liver intensive too.
libby emmons
Apples?
Yeah.
Apples are hurting my liver.
unidentified
I just drink wine.
tim pool
Well, I'm not a nutritionist, so don't take my advice, but I was reading about how fructose, you know, fruit sugar, has to be processed in the liver, so it's... Yeah, minus the fiber.
ian crossland
If you do just apple juice, it's gonna go right to your liver and then convert into sugar.
If you eat it with the fiber, which is... No, I just eat actual... I eat bacon and fruit.
libby emmons
I gave up meat for Lent.
unidentified
Interesting.
Yeah.
tim pool
So what do you get your protein from?
libby emmons
I've been eating a lot of fish.
tim pool
That's meat.
You gave up like red meat or something?
libby emmons
I gave up like, yeah, not fish.
I gave up not fish for Lent.
tim pool
Well, that works.
I mean, fish is actually way better for you.
Yeah.
libby emmons
So my son, like, I've been making all of this, like, Shrimp dishes.
I'm learning to cook Chinese fried shrimp.
Spectacular.
There's a bunch of salmon and crab cakes in my freezer right now.
tim pool
This is interesting.
Vic says my girlfriend has been off birth control for a year and she feels like a different person.
She's happier, better appetite, more sexual, less emotional.
They're turning the frogs gay.
Well, I don't know about birth control going to frogs, but that was a pesticide, wasn't it?
ian crossland
Atrazine?
tim pool
Yeah, and I think later on they said that they were wrong.
Or like, it was limited.
lydia smith
Oh, it wasn't making them gay.
ian crossland
Well, hermaphroditic is, I think, the story.
tim pool
Well, no, no, but the whole study said that they weren't sure it was atrazine in the first place.
It was a hypothesis or something.
But yeah, that was a pesticide leaking into groundwater was mutating the endocrine systems of frogs.
ian crossland
Yeah, we didn't really touch on pesticides, herbicides, fungicides getting into the food supply.
tim pool
Oh, you know what we got?
We went and bought silky chickens.
libby emmons
Oh, those little cute ones?
tim pool
Yeah, they look like llamas.
libby emmons
They're so cute.
tim pool
And the woman who sold them to us also sold us some honey that she found in an abandoned house.
libby emmons
Oh, that's that's weird.
tim pool
Yeah, I was super excited.
It's it's the best honey I've ever tasted.
libby emmons
Did you end up like tripping your face off?
tim pool
No, honey is antimicrobial.
So it's like you could put it on your wounds to clean it.
So long as it's done by a proper beekeeper, it's probably fine.
Now, do you trust the beekeeper?
libby emmons
What beekeeper?
It was found in an abandoned house and you don't know anything about it?
tim pool
No, the lady was a beekeeper.
So she also has like legit farm honey, but she said, I found this one in an abandoned house.
If you want it, you know, you can buy it too.
And I was like, yeah.
Well, actually I wasn't paying attention.
It was everyone else who heard it.
And I was like, I'll just take it all.
And then I was tasting it and they're like, oh, that's the one from the abandoned house.
And I was like, tastes great.
So, what they say is, if the bees are in an abandoned house, then the older parts of the honeycomb are going to have mold and garbage on it, but the newer parts are probably clean and safe, and honey is antimicrobial.
libby emmons
Oh, she didn't find a jar of honey in the abandoned house.
Oh, she found a beehive!
Okay, that's different.
I'm picturing this jar, and I'm like, you really just dug into the...
ian crossland
Have you guys ever eaten the psychedelic honey?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Which one is it?
ian crossland
It's like the Himalayans will climb the mountain and they'll go get the honey and they'll eat it and they'll trip their balls off.
unidentified
Manuka?
ian crossland
No, no, it's not manuka honey.
I'm looking into it.
Gray anatoxin is maybe the chemical.
They call it mad honey.
libby emmons
There was this crazy thing that happened in Brooklyn where all of these bees like got into some sort of
Industrial facility and that ended up in all the honey and all the honey was like weird red color
tim pool
Yeah No, it was uh, it was a candy factory candy factory waste runoff.
Yeah, these were drinking the sugar And so they made red candy honey, where do you get the trippy honey though?
libby emmons
What's the deal?
ian crossland
Where do you find it?
Well, I know the mountains of the Himalayas They don't like climb long distances to get to it.
I don't know though I hadn't ever heard of this mad honey before I'm looking into it interesting.
tim pool
Oh Eddie Jones says I'm 21 years old and you're helping me learn about a lot of things I was blind of as a noob in the world.
Thanks for the solid info and the sources to back it all.
Thanks for the 20s, Ian.
Chicken City is life.
ian crossland
Dude, thank you so much, man.
If I could have been 21 years old and had access to a show like this that I could interact with, I would have loved it.
So thank you for putting me in perspective like that.
tim pool
All right, Josh Froman says, Hey Tim, Ohio just passed constitutional carry.
What are your thoughts?
Man, Indiana is going to pass constitutional carry.
Alabama just signed constitutional carry.
I think it was constitutional carry right in Alabama.
Was it?
libby emmons
What does that mean?
You can just carry a weapon.
You can carry your gun.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And there's no... No permits, whatever, you can... You just get to have it.
libby emmons
Yeah.
You're totally pro that.
tim pool
Oh, yes.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
In West Virginia, you can just pick up a gun and walk around outside and...
libby emmons
What's the argument for it?
tim pool
No one cares. Yeah, it's like you'll see a guy with a with a with a gun on his hip and you just like
libby emmons
How many states have that versus how many don't I mean now I think it's like 15 or 16, maybe
unidentified
What's the argument for it that we have the Second Amendment yeah the Constitution I
Mean, I mean the fact that it's getting passed now. Oh, yeah, like what?
Why are they suddenly doing it?
tim pool
The Constitution, Second Amendment, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Yet, throughout most of history, we didn't actually uphold our own constitutional rights.
And so, in the 80s even, it was difficult to get concealed carry permits.
So they were like, no, no, no, if you want to have a gun, you better show everybody.
And people were like, the Constitution is clear, right?
So, recently, I think it's because, uh, I think the populist libertarian wave has been winning very much in the United States over the past decade.
And so now we're seeing states basically say, the law on guns is the Constitution.
Of course, you still have the feds.
The federal government bans a ton of weapons, and it's absurd, and there's nothing you can do about it.
But in Texas, for instance, they've passed a law, I'm pretty sure, saying that if you make and use
a suppressor in Texas, the feds can't do anything. Like, the state allows it.
libby emmons
The feds are only in charge if you cross state lines.
tim pool
But the feds are still arguing, you know, it's illegal, you can't do it.
libby emmons
Part of it, too, is that Biden is so gun control crazy.
He has all of these ideas about preventing people from having guns and was recently in New York talking to Mayor Adams after two police officers were murdered by a career criminal who shot them with his gun.
tim pool
Actually, New York just launched their new criminal division.
NYPD has actually deployed a bunch of criminals.
unidentified
The anti-gun unit.
tim pool
So New York City is, in my opinion, in violation of the Constitution because they make it impossible to get a gun.
libby emmons
New York City is in violation of the Constitution all over the place.
tim pool
Yeah, good point.
libby emmons
In several very key places.
tim pool
Consistently and always.
But I guess the people who live there tolerate it, so.
But they created a new anti-gun unit.
These are cops who basically go out to take away, to arrest people who are, you know, constitutionally carrying weapons because statutorily in the state, in the city, they don't let you do it.
I think that's wrong.
I think if you want to make an argument about whether or not you should be allowed to have guns, you've got to change the Constitution first.
So.
ian crossland
I got a list of the open carry numbers.
It's from the Wikipedia open carry.
It's better to look at it visually.
tim pool
Open carry is different from constitutional carry.
Open carry means that you're allowed to carry your gun so long as other people can see it.
Constitutional carry means you can conceal it if you want to, you don't need a permit.
So if you're in a state that doesn't have that, and they require you to get a permit, And the cop finds you have a gun, you get in trouble.
The moment they enact, they sign into law, constitutional carry, you can take your gun, put it in your waistband, cover it up and walk outside.
ian crossland
So I think we have 23 states that are constitutional carry.
lydia smith
23!
unidentified
Wow.
libby emmons
Wow.
ian crossland
According to Wikipedia.
tim pool
That's fantastic.
Glad to hear it.
A well-armed population is a polite and hard to oppress population.
ian crossland
And then three more states that have a limited form of permitless concealed carry.
Illinois, New Mexico and Washington.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm wary of anyone who wants to strip power away from the people to give to themselves.
And when the argument about gun control is almost always that the government should have the right to... Right now, agents of the government can have select fire rifles.
It means full auto or, you know, burst or semi-auto.
And they say the regular people can't.
Politicians can have guns.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So celebrities can have bodyguards who are armed.
And the way it works in New York and New Jersey and Maryland is basically if you're wealthy and famous enough, you can have a gun.
So they say you have to give a legitimate reason why you need the gun.
And if you say, like, for my safety or my constitutional rights, they kick you out.
But if you say, I'm rich and famous, they'll say, we got you.
Don't worry about it.
libby emmons
In New York, you have to have an interview to explain why you want the gun.
And you can't just be like, I just want it because I want it.
tim pool
That's not part of the jam.
I was told New York ultimately just won't give it to you, but in New Jersey, Maryland, and New York, the most likely way to actually get one is to show deposit slips for cash in excess of $5,000.
Oh, that's interesting.
Because then the argument is, I carry large sums of cash for my job doing deposits, and I need to be able to defend myself because people who find out will rob me.
libby emmons
What if you just carry large sums of cash so you can have a receipt so you can buy a gun?
tim pool
Well, I don't think the cops are going to look into your business practices.
libby emmons
They're not going to check it out.
If you just take it out and put it back in, have a receipt.
ian crossland
When it comes to constitutional carry, all the states are pretty much uniform except for California is all fragmented.
All over California, you have different rules and all over New York State.
tim pool
California is not a constitutional carry state.
California is a, you go to jail for having a gun state.
ian crossland
They have a May issue, concealed permit in a lot of areas in California.
California, oof.
unidentified
Would there be a correlation between states who don't have constitutional carry with other sort of infringements of the Constitution?
So California, for example, I would say it was anti-constitutional to put men in women's prisons.
libby emmons
Which they, of course, do.
But so does Washington.
unidentified
But Biden's put forward a defense of it, right?
libby emmons
Yes, Biden is pro-putting men in women's prisons, as is the unelected governor of New York State.
tim pool
It's a potential 14th Amendment argument, but that's it, and it doesn't clearly define what the violation is, so that's a harder question, to be honest.
unidentified
Right.
So I probably don't really understand your constitution.
But I'm just wondering if there is a correlation between not carrying, not having a constitutional carry and other things, maybe like free speech?
tim pool
So the first cover is freedom of speech.
Second is guns.
Third is to be free from the government quartering soldiers in your home or providing your home as, you know, providing your home to soldiers.
The fourth is unreasonable search and seizure.
But the 14th is equality under the law.
So you see a lot of arguments about the 14th Amendment.
And so there's interesting Supreme Court rulings.
I believe what you're describing would be a constitutional violation of the 14th because the way we as the United States have decided equality can work is that so long as there is, you can separate groups so long as they have equal of something.
So it's really funny because like you can't when it comes to race, but you can when it comes to gender.
Don't ask me why I'm on a Supreme Court justice.
But it used to be that you could have a white and a black bathroom, so long as both groups got a bathroom.
We ended that because now it's like separate but equal was wrong.
Now you can't do that.
But under the exact same law, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, you can do that for men and women.
I think this is what's ultimately going to poke a hole and shatter gender segregation, which ultimately means males and females will share all the same spaces no matter what in the future.
Because the argument is The argument back in the day was, if there's two different bathrooms that both work the same way, then we're allowed to have race-differentiated bathrooms because it's equal, right?
We said no to that.
Okay, well, we do that now for men and women.
So now we're starting to see the left argue, okay, well then how can you have gender separate but equal?
Nope, there should be one bathroom for everybody.
But this is happening in New York, where instead of doing a men's room and a women's room, they're doing five individual bathrooms with doors you just lock.
And so now they're just all genderless single stalls.
unidentified
Yeah, but are they those weird doors that you have over here that we don't have in the UK, which leave... No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
These are a room.
unidentified
These are right the way down to the floor.
tim pool
This would be like walking into a broom closet.
Like, you walk into an actual room and close the door and lock it.
libby emmons
It would be walking into your own WC with nobody else in it.
unidentified
Right, but it still doesn't stop men urinating on the seat.
libby emmons
That's an issue.
unidentified
That's an issue.
tim pool
Yep, all that stuff.
But that's one of the things we're starting to see from it is instead of doing a men's room and a women's room with like, you know, urinals, they'll just make four individual rooms.
ian crossland
The Romans would all sit in a big room together.
Have you ever looked at Roman bathrooms?
tim pool
Have you been to a sports bar yet?
ian crossland
Just toilet, toilet, toilet, toilet, toilet, and they're all sitting there looking at each other.
They'd all just sit there like... I don't know if they had... they might have wooden dividers.
libby emmons
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know what they did.
I don't know what they did.
They just ate too much meat.
ian crossland
But I don't know if they had men and women together.
I don't know.
Did they have the room at the baths?
libby emmons
I don't know.
tim pool
eating while they poop. Let's grab one more super chat because we're going to do this member
segment. We have Colton Rader says, what is your thoughts on Donald Trump going on a podcast and
YouTube removing it within 24 hours, over 5 million views?
That was the Nelk Boys full send podcast.
And the issue is you've got to be really savvy on YouTube's rules to be able to pull off a show
like this. So.
So, my friends, you may notice that many of your favorite creators often get strikes, and we don't.
We've gotten one warning from Alex Jones when he was on the show, and I think it was BS, and I think it's proof that YouTube enforces their rules arbitrarily.
But there's also many things that we're cognizant of and we dance through the landmine field.
There are a lot of people that either are unwilling to or just don't know how YouTube has aligned their landmines everywhere.
And so you'll see people who, like the Nelk Boys, talk to Trump, Trump said things, and they were like, okay, oh, YouTube gets them.
Or we talked with Kim Iverson.
Interesting.
hills rising, I think it was rising, they got suspended from YouTube because they aired
a clip of Donald Trump speaking on an interview and Trump said something that YouTube, that
was it.
And because, because YouTube has a very specific rule for how you can address certain conversations.
That is to say, if, or I should say when we get Donald Trump on the show, we will not
be taken down.
Maybe, because YouTube's rule enforcement is arbitrary.
But I know YouTube's rules well enough to where I think we could allow Donald Trump his space to make his points, and we could say what needs to be said to make sure it doesn't get booted off the internet.
libby emmons
That would be cool if you had Trump on the show.
tim pool
I mean, we've talked with some of his people.
unidentified
It's just kind of like, I don't know.
tim pool
You know, if Trump came on the show, we'd have to go to Florida.
libby emmons
Well, it'd be bigly.
Yeah, very bigly.
tim pool
I would definitely do it.
It would be fantastic.
And, you know, we'll reach out to some of the people.
We've had a bunch of people.
We've had Ben and Peter Navarro and stuff.
ian crossland
I really like Peter Navarro, man.
That guy's awesome.
He's a cool dude.
tim pool
Yeah.
I think it would be great to sit down with Trump for a couple hours.
But, you know, what we were told is like, he'd probably do a half an hour maybe.
You got to come down.
And I was like, OK, well, we'll figure it out when we figure it out.
So maybe we'll reach out and see if we can, you know, sit down with Donald Trump and talk to him.
I don't think it would get taken down from the internet though.
I think we'd be able to get that.
unidentified
I take your point about dancing around certain topics and not saying certain phrases or certain words in order to stay on.
But the fact that social media, that these corporate kind of faceless corporations are preventing people from talking, I think is despicable.
And when he was cancelled from Twitter, I mean, I just think that was a bit of a game changer when everyone realized that actually these globalists, these sort of technocrats, They have way too much power on what we can hear.
tim pool
Well, so here's what we try to do.
I think, you know, we can get like 99% of everything we want to say on the show because we mostly talk about current events.
So we're talking about like up-to-date news.
That's one of the reasons we don't get hit a lot.
When people have candid conversations on a wide range of topics that span several years is where YouTube gets you.
We pull up news articles from this week.
It's like hard for them to enforce what's on Newsweek or the New York Times or CNN.
But for the greater conversations that we think, you know, let's not get banned, we go to TimCast.com, member segments.
If you become a member there and support us, then it allows us to have this more, you know, open... Granted, I'll tell you this, we've had the corporations, like big powerful players, mad at us, really mad at us over our members-only segments.
So I hope people realize that.
libby emmons
Probably like the one we're about to have.
tim pool
Oh, it's gonna get... I imagine this one's gonna trigger a bunch of, you know, corporate entities.
But people need to understand that too because when we say we're going to do things at TimCast.com, we mostly get to say whatever we want to say on this show because we're talking about current events.
If there's something where we think it's going to cross that line where YouTube would take advantage of it to ban us, they still know we're doing it and these big corporate entities still know we're doing it.
They're trying to figure out how to punish us for our own website and that's a challenge we're working towards.
I don't want to say too much because we're signing on with some new companies that are really going to solidify and fortify our ability to have conversations on whatever we want.
But, look man, it ain't easy.
I tell people, do you want to sacrifice 99 conversations for that one?
I certainly understand not wanting to give up that one conversation, and if there was something so insanely important you'd risk getting banned for it, I say we have to have it.
If there's something that's not, you know, apocalyptic and, you know, whatever, we'll do a members-only speakeasy kind of show where we'll go in the back room and get away from the prying eyes of the establishment.
But, you know, there are certain things that I'm like, let's go for it.
Like the Epstein stuff.
Luke was like, how do we deal with this?
Because we're talking about suicide, we're talking about... I'm like, no, we're going!
Like, no way, dude.
Something like that has to be... We're talking about Epstein all day, all week.
So anyway, my friends, go to TimCast.com, become a member.
We're gonna have that members-only segment coming up.
It'll be published around 11 or so p.m.
You can follow the show at TimCast IRL.
You can follow me at TimCast.
Kelly, do you want to shout anything out?
Do you have social media or anything?
unidentified
I do.
If you want to purchase and support what we do, there's a US store, which is adulthumanfemale.us.
If you're in the UK or Europe, or you don't mind high postage costs, it's adulthumanfemale.store.
And you can also support what we do at standingforwomen.com.
Oh, and Kelly J Keane on YouTube.
tim pool
Right on.
libby emmons
Libby, do you want to say anything else?
Sure.
Libby Emmons.
I'm at Libby Emmons on Twitter.
I'm at The Post Millennial every day.
And if you want to help us out, we get targeted by Antifa all the time.
If you want to help us out, thepostmillennial.com slash contribute.
And you can subscribe to our newsletters and to our site.
And, uh, yeah.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Also, Kelly J gave me this pin.
tim pool
What is it?
libby emmons
And it says, um, it says, mother is a female parent.
ian crossland
Oh, that's nice.
tim pool
Is that the actual definition of the word?
libby emmons
Very happy about it.
unidentified
It's abbreviated to get on a pin, to be fair.
libby emmons
I mean, it is, you know.
tim pool
So that's what we're going to talk about the members.
libby emmons
Shorter than Twitter, but still.
tim pool
We're going to talk about definitions, dictionary definitions.
ian crossland
Good.
unidentified
My favorite topic.
ian crossland
Liturgy.
Hey, I'm Ian Crossland.
Follow me, iancrossland.net.
I'll see you guys later.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm very excited for this conversation.
We'll be discussing the definition of woman, which is an adult human female, I'm told.
I'm stoked I get to wear my shirt tonight.
You guys may follow me on Twitter and mines.com at SourPatchLens.
tim pool
We will see you all at TimCast.com.
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