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Timcast IRL - Someone Tried ASSASSINATING Kentucky Democrat w/Daniel Turner & Olivia Rondeau
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unidentified
This huge story broke on Friday.
tim pool
The Durham report investigating the Clinton campaign, Russiagate, new filing, directly implicates the Clinton campaign in spying on not just candidate Trump, but also the office of the executive, the executive office of the president.
This is some of the most damning information we've gotten yet, and now we have new information.
It is being suggested that there could be potentially several indictments over the information released by the Durham investigation, but we'll see.
And we'll get into all the details, of course.
Donald Trump responded by saying something to the effect of, in a stronger time, you would get the death penalty for such actions.
I think Donald Trump's wrong because treason is, you can get the death penalty for treason, but this is usually, treason is aiding and abetting a foreign adversary in a time of war.
Sedition is subversion of government.
So it's very different.
I don't know if you get the death penalty for that, but you know, perhaps.
All I can say is, wow, that was a spicy escalation.
And then as we're getting ready, uh, you know, and doing our work of the day, another story happened this morning, a democratic candidate in Louisville was shot at and his, uh, fortunately the bullet only grazed his clothing.
So we're, we're grateful that nobody got hurt on this one.
This could be, this could be a big nothing burger.
I mean, the story itself is, is crazy.
This is a democratic mayoral candidate.
It's not the biggest deal in the world in terms of federal level politics, but it's still You know, things are getting so insanely hyper-polarized in this country, there's fears that this could be overtly politically motivated.
Or it could be, I don't know, a PR stunt or something.
I really doubt it.
But a lot of people are saying, let's wait for the evidence on this one.
It could turn out to just be a crazy person doing something crazy.
However, you know, typically when I see someone going after politicians, I think we should take it very, very seriously.
Because, I mean, it just shows, especially right now, how things are getting absolutely out of hand.
Not only do we have those stories, apparently we have near martial law in Canada invoking of war powers by Trudeau to shut down these trucker protests.
I'm exhausted, both physically and mentally, with all of this crazy news.
And get this, we've got even more stories about Joe Rogan, because they're not letting up.
I mean, the culture war is escalating to something absolutely insane.
So we'll talk about other stuff.
We've got a lot of other stories.
We've got AOC in the news.
We've got CNN.
And joining us to talk about all this is Daniel Turner.
daniel turner
Thank you.
Great to be here again.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
You want to quickly introduce yourself?
unidentified
Yeah.
daniel turner
Daniel Turner, Power of the Future.
Daniel Turner, PTF on Twitter.
And it's awesome to be back with you all.
So thanks for having me.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Thanks for coming.
And we also have Olivia Rondeau.
unidentified
I'm so happy to be back.
I think it's my third time on now.
Third time on now.
I'm just a conservatorian journalist and commentator.
I'm on Twitter at Rondeau Olivia.
tim pool
Right on.
ian crossland
What's up everybody?
Ian Crosland over here.
Happy to be here.
Honk that like button.
lydia smith
Yes, I am also here in the corner pushing buttons as I always do.
Very excited to have Olivia and Daniel.
Love them both.
Gonna be a good show!
tim pool
I love how I'm just like, the end is nigh.
Everything's falling apart.
Everyone's like, hey, thanks for having me.
daniel turner
It is Valentine's Day.
No mention of love, right?
unidentified
Love your neighbor.
lydia smith
Black pills only.
tim pool
Yep, yep.
unidentified
Can I just say it's sad that Lydia messaged me last minute and was like, hey, do you want to come on Monday?
Like literally I had no plans and it's Valentine's Day.
lydia smith
Aw, it's not sad.
unidentified
It's okay.
lydia smith
It's good to be open.
ian crossland
I'm not into the tradition aspect.
Are you going to like find the love on a different day?
daniel turner
You're not into tradition, Ian.
I am so surprised at that.
ian crossland
I don't know why.
tim pool
Ian's got weird traditions of his own.
lydia smith
Yes, he does.
tim pool
Daniel is like, every day I come here, there's more crap.
ian crossland
It's such a mess.
Get the wide shot really quick.
You guys in the audience, let me know.
Give me a one if you think this is as messy as I think it is.
It's pretty messy.
unidentified
Look at this.
tim pool
Can you zoom in on that somehow?
ian crossland
Organized chaos?
lydia smith
Yeah, I can zoom in a little bit.
tim pool
There's an abacus now.
ian crossland
The abacus is an ancient calculator.
unidentified
Do you know how to use it?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's really cool.
It's very easy to use.
You count, like, you have it on its side.
You'd be like, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and when you get to 5, then this comes down, and that means 5.
And then you'd be like, 6, 7, ah, it's not supposed to be vertical.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, this has been Learn the Abacus.
ian crossland
So watch the Cast Castle vlog, and I'll show you how to work an abacus.
tim pool
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Let's read this first story.
We had this in the Daily Mail.
Louisville Democratic candidate for mayor shot at an attempted assassination at his office but escapes uninjured.
Cops probe whether politician was targeted because he is Jewish.
Now that's the gist of the story.
They say that someone fight at the campaign office This officer, Craig, I'm sorry, this candidate, Craig Greenberg, had his clothing grazed by the bullet.
Fortunately, everybody is safe.
And this may not be anything other than a crazy person because we don't know yet.
However, I believe there was a member of the city council who said this was an assassination attempt.
So apparently, somebody has been taken into custody.
The investigation is ongoing.
There's concerns here because as things get more and more intense in the culture war and with, you know, conflict between Trump, with the Durham investigation, with the January 6th committee, people become less and less trusting.
So some feel like maybe this is just a mayor of a city in the U.S., not even one of the biggest cities, but a big, big city, for sure.
It's a big city.
And it's just a publicity stunt or, you know, a false flag or some other, you know, whatever.
But I don't know.
I don't fall into those I genuinely think that you've got a lot of people out there.
A lot of people.
Some of those people are crazy.
And some of those people can be driven to extreme acts because they're unwell.
So I'll just say this.
I hope this is it.
I hope there's nothing more to this.
But the reason I think this story was important to lead with was...
As we get more and more news about the political conflict escalation, Adam Kinzinger just came out last week and said targeted assassinations are coming if there's going to be a new civil war.
And then he said to Wolf Blitzer, I think it was Blitzer on CNN, that we would be naive not to think a civil war was coming.
Of course, it's a trope at this point, Tim Pool mentioning it, because I've been talking about it for some time.
But when I see a story like this after Kinzinger says targeted assassinations and then a Democrat candidate gets shot at, I'm kind of like, Was he right?
daniel turner
Yeah, are we on our way?
I mean, we should be able to all universally condemn this, right?
And say this is, you know, it's a terrible act and we're happy that no lives were lost.
But I do think you're smart to say let's not jump into speculation too much because we don't know all the facts.
But yeah, a terrible action.
Glad the person was caught, right?
You said that they had caught the person.
A suspect was caught, and that's important, right?
It looks like the cops did their job, so that's good.
tim pool
It could be nothing, you know?
It's someone matching a description, and for all we know, they're like, oh, it's some random guy.
unidentified
The fact that it's a mayoral race just leads me to believe it could just be random.
And the fact that they're just speculating, saying it could be because he's Jewish, I don't know.
ian crossland
Yeah, I thought maybe it could be mob-related, like he owed somebody money.
There's so many ifs.
unidentified
See, that seems like more of a reach than a reach.
tim pool
I don't know, a guy borrows money to try and win a campaign, and then he's not paying up, or he's, you know, here you go, he borrows money, now that he's in the race, and he has a change of heart, and he says, I can't go through with this, the people need me, and they're like, if you back out on us, we're coming for you.
See, but I agree, that sounds crazy, like, you know what the scary thing is?
A political assassination seems to me to be the most plausible outcome.
That somebody is just like the Democrats are crazy and awful and something like that.
ian crossland
It's really a testament to humanity how we, how, like, cause you're right.
It's not like that's hard.
It's like driving, you know, every day we drive these 2000 pound things past each other at a hundred miles an hour and just.
unidentified
You'd be driving 100 miles per hour?
ian crossland
Car after car.
Well, 50 miles in both directions.
So it's like car after car after car.
And we just trust.
We live in trust.
And we don't veer over and ram.
But you could.
That's the crazy thing is people could.
It's easy to fail in reality and easy to go haywire.
It's challenging.
But we do it so well.
We stay on the level so well.
tim pool
I don't believe any of the false flag stuff.
You know, a lot of people think... Well, I'll say this first.
Assassination attempts really, really help candidates.
It's kind of creepy and awful that it's the case.
But it rallies people, you get a victim narrative.
So I think for that reason, people would suspect a politician of trying to stage something like this to generate press.
But I just really don't think, I mean, it is like winning the lottery 10 times in a row to get the circumstances where a politician's gonna be like, okay, after you shoot me, like, nah, this guy, the bullet grazed his clothing.
I don't think this guy wanted it.
I don't even like entertaining the idea, but there are people who absolutely are curious about whether they trust them or not.
But I'll add one more thing.
That's kind of how crazy it is politically that people would assume a politician would
actually state something like that.
daniel turner
You know?
Yeah, but let's not forget one of the most famous attempted assassinations of all time,
which was the assassination attempt on Reagan, was because the guy was genuinely crazy and
he wanted to impress Jodie Foster.
Right.
Right.
And it's like, well, Reagan was just the target because that's who Jodie Foster would be impressed
I don't know if she was.
I don't think she was ever asked as a follow-up, like, hey, did you get the guy's number?
Maybe she was.
Maybe she was like, hey, cool, give me a call.
Obviously, that's not what happened.
ian crossland
Impressed, but not the kind of impression you want to make.
daniel turner
So, I mean, it could be something like, sadly, there are a lot of crazy people in the world.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure Jodie Foster has been asked about that.
It was the Hinkley thing, right?
daniel turner
Yeah, and I think she was like 18 at the time also, which is even weird.
tim pool
No, I think she was like, wasn't she like 12?
daniel turner
She was even younger.
Yeah, like imagine this poor kid.
Like you're like a, I knew she was very, my point was that she's young.
unidentified
Yeah.
daniel turner
And it's like, gosh.
unidentified
How traumatizing for this poor young... She was born in 62.
ian crossland
When was he shot?
unidentified
82?
ian crossland
81, I believe.
So she would have been 19?
18, 19, something like that.
tim pool
Okay, so you were right.
daniel turner
But still, she's a very young person.
So there are just crazy people in the world.
But I'm glad the mayor or mayoral candidate is okay.
ian crossland
She was 12 and she was in a taxi.
tim pool
That's what it was.
daniel turner
Taxi driver, right?
tim pool
I guess he saw the movie or something.
But, yeah, I mean...
lydia smith
Do you think it has significance that this took place in Louisville?
Because I know there was a lot of unrest there in the summer of 2020 because of Breonna Taylor, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
It was my first thought.
I was like, Louisville, that's really interesting.
But I don't know.
unidentified
I did kind of think about that because I was like, what if this happened in a different city?
Like if this happened in Chicago, I wouldn't even think this was happening.
I think we had a random shooting.
tim pool
Oh, it's really dark and we're laughing at that.
daniel turner
Oh gosh, I know, as soon as I started laughing I'm like...
unidentified
If it was in a different city I would have been like, you know, this might not be politically motivated.
ian crossland
For the sake of definition, what's the difference between attempted murder and attempted assassination?
Where does it become no longer considered murder?
tim pool
How important are you?
ian crossland
Like a public official or something?
tim pool
It's kind of crazy that it's that way.
Nobody assassinates a plumber.
unidentified
Oh, exactly.
A competing plumber company.
Oh, maybe, yeah.
ian crossland
Shout out to all the plumbers out there.
tim pool
But as soon as the plumber announces, like, if the, actually, it's really weird, isn't
it?
If there was a guy, he's a plumber, right?
And he's like, look, man, I'm just here to fix the pipes.
And then one day he goes outside and he goes, we gotta change the pipes in these town.
And I'm gonna do everything we can to change these pipes.
And then someone shoots him, like, I guess, I guess what makes an assassination is if
it was in direct opposition to your work in changing something about the public?
ian crossland
Yeah, that's the first definition.
daniel turner
I think it is.
Yeah, and is it an assassination like the murder of someone because of their office?
Yeah, not just the murder because of their personhood, but because of their agency.
tim pool
But didn't John Lennon get assassinated?
ian crossland
Yeah, but they think that was political, too, because he was so anti-war.
daniel turner
Did we say assassination of John Lennon, or did we say murder?
unidentified
Murder?
lydia smith
I don't know.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
daniel turner
Maybe the Beatles just defy all definitions.
Yeah.
ian crossland
John was like Gandhi.
He had that kind of political power.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
He was very active in anti-Vietnam War stuff.
I mean, he was very influential.
daniel turner
And his wife was an amazing singer.
unidentified
Still is.
That's the one person that should be pulling their music from Spotify.
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
Neil Young's back on Spotify.
He's not back on, but a bunch of his music is still on and will never come off because he'd already signed the rights over for compilations and stuff to a bunch of the hits.
lydia smith
Interesting.
I didn't realize that.
tim pool
It's all one big joke.
It just feels like it's all fake.
But I guess the scary thing is, Politics is pop culture.
You know, so I've been talking about this for a while.
We, as you know, as we're looking to expand and do more other kinds of content and books, it really is, like, everything's political.
Eminem took a knee at the Super Bowl and everyone's saying it's political and some people are like, you don't even know why he took a knee!
Like, he may have just been bowing or something, but just by getting on his knee and like, and then like, what did he do, put his hand on his face or something?
Everyone's like, he took a knee for Black Lives Matter or something and like...
daniel turner
Sunday, maybe he was nailing down in prayer, you know, I mean, he's a religious person.
I don't know what his reasons.
unidentified
I just think it's funny.
That was the one white dude.
The one white guy knows no one else does.
That's why it was for you.
tim pool
But maybe it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't political.
The thing is the fact that everybody assumed it is, you know, politics is pop
culture.
So I wonder if when you see a story like this about a Democratic mayor or
Democratic candidate, it only happened because this is what's in the forefront
of everyone's minds.
If they were talking about, you know, a movie or a band like John Lennon, like maybe just crazy people are seeing someone on the TV and they're like, he's beaming thoughts in my head.
And so they go out and go after him.
And if the crazy people don't hear about any of these people, they don't do it.
With politics being so paramount to everything now, more crazy people might see these people on TV and then target them and it could be completely not political.
ian crossland
I was thinking as a species, I think we've lost our childlike innocence now that we have the internet and we're able to examine ourselves so well.
We're no longer this innocent humanity that we were a hundred years ago.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
ian crossland
We've also seen a lot of loss has gone to our childlike curiosity, which we need as a species.
We need to retain that.
tim pool
What do you think people were like a couple hundred years ago?
ian crossland
They just lived in this ignorant allowance of like, let daddy lead the way and we'll support our guy.
And now everyone's like active.
Well, not everyone, but people are like hyper aware of what's going on.
unidentified
Everyone my age is an activist, you know, or activist.
People are hyper aware.
tim pool
Bro, back in the day, people, like, they lived and breathed their politics because there was very few people.
ian crossland
They did, but they didn't see it like we get to see it.
They weren't able to, like, listen to the president talk.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
Isn't that crazy?
Like, 1700s, you'd be, like, chilling on your farm, and a mail carrier would come with a letter, and the letter's like, the president said these things three months ago.
And you're like, well, how about that?
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, imagine getting a letter, and it's like, Joe Biden announced he's taxing you.
He said this three months ago.
It's already been passed by Congress.
You owe us 10 bucks.
And you're gonna be like, wait, what?
Nobody told me that!
And then you'd be bound by it.
daniel turner
Yeah, and I think expediency is what the internet has changed, and that's a podcast in and of itself, right?
But what has it done to society?
The ability to know things in the immediate, and the impatience people have for not knowing something right now, I think that's what's changed.
ian crossland
When you measure heat, if heat transfer happens really, really, really fast, it gets hotter.
And so if information is downloaded into your brain really, really, really fast, that might be creating some sort of friction.
tim pool
That's a good way to think about it.
It's like, if you're driving your car and you're slamming the gas, you know, your car can overheat, you gotta let up the gas a little bit so it doesn't get too hot.
If people are absorbing too much information in terms of politics and culture, People start to overheat and there's no cooling off period people need to get time to chill But it's just it's endless and then people snap which brings me to our next story.
Mmm Yeah, now I know you already had some thoughts on this Daniel because this one gets spicy But I wanted to say this real quick before we get into it The reason one of the reasons I wanted to leave with that story about the the assassination attempt is because you know I'm worried about the violence escalating and the rhetoric escalating And that was a real world example of a potential escalation of political rhetoric, because check out this story.
The Guardian reports, Congressman echoes Trump's claim that Clinton aides deserved to die.
Jim Jordan's statement on Fox News is another example of violent rhetoric entering the Republican mainstream, analysts say.
Okay, let me give you the quick version before we get into all the nitty gritty.
The Durham investigation has made some very serious accusations against the Clinton campaign that they were, to simply put, spying on Donald Trump as a candidate and as the president.
Very, very serious criminal allegations.
Donald Trump stated, in a stronger time, people would be put to death for this.
Jim Jordan said Donald Trump's statements were right on target.
Now, the media is reporting that Trump has called for the death of these people and that a member of Congress has agreed they should die.
And that is a dramatic escalation of rhetoric.
And to be fair, I mean, even Trump's statement was a little bold and probably not what we need to hear right now.
But of course, the media is not going to sit back and say, Trump said people got the death penalty in the past for doing things like this.
He didn't say they should get it.
But of course, that's the narrative they're going to play towards.
And now we're marching towards, one side is going to see this and they're going to say, Donald Trump wants to kill these people.
They're going to be saying this, see, if the fascists get elected, they're going to start killing people.
You see what Trump said?
Oh, you see what the Guardian's reporting?
The Clinton aides deserve to die.
And then you've got people on the right who are like, the media's lying about it and the Clintons were committing very serious crimes, seditious crimes, and they need to be held accountable.
Now you have the Democrat establishment base saying Trump, you know, Trump's people are trying to imprison his rivals.
Meanwhile, the January 6th committee is doing the exact same thing.
Here we go.
daniel turner
Yeah, one of the problems that the previous president had frequently, and it was his own making, is the imprecision of language creates problems that take the focus away from where the attention should be.
So there's this problem right now with the Durham investigation, and it's serious.
But his imprecision of language would show us that that's not what we're attacking.
So now everyone's talking about this.
And the problem with that is that you want people to focus on the Durham report, but you've lured them away because you did not choose your words properly.
By the way, this headline also is grammatically incorrect.
My mom taught me such good English.
I have to point that out.
tim pool
Such good English.
daniel turner
Such good English.
Well, she did teach me such good English.
unidentified
She taught me English well.
daniel turner
That makes it sound like they have already died and they deserved it.
It should be the Clinton aides deserve, like they are worthy, they are deserving, as you said it, they are deserving of death.
So it just bothers me that that's how they phrased it, but it's a little bit more titillating, it's a little bit sexier, and I think it's intentional.
tim pool
Maybe, maybe it's intentional in that they want people to believe they did die.
daniel turner
Yeah, only Jeffrey Epstein died.
unidentified
I thought his word position would get better when he got banned off of Twitter.
I was like, okay, now he doesn't have a character limit, he can take some time and write out an official statement on his email, his website, but no.
ian crossland
This is an example of when your enemy is making a mistake, you don't interrupt them.
for having read The Art of War, I believe it was a big part of his move growing up in
his business.
But this is an example of when your enemy is making a mistake, you don't interrupt them.
They were about to go after Hillary and Trump opened his big mouth.
unidentified
This was the first headline I saw about it.
Literally, this was the first headline I saw about it yesterday on Twitter.
And if I had not taken the due diligence to dig deeper, that would have been everything that I saw.
It's just insane.
tim pool
We haven't even walked through the allegations against Hillary yet because this story has taken the front page.
And because the escalation is... You know, look.
It is so difficult to explain to people the inner workings of all of these stories because they're so complicated.
When I'm talking to people and I say, do you know who Durham is, the Durham investigation?
Are you familiar?
They're like, no, what's that?
All right, let's start from page one and you got to walk them all the way through it.
But when you get a headline that's like Donald Trump says they should die.
That's all they see.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And they don't know anything about why Trump said it.
They can't understand.
And so I see these memes all the time from the Democrat base, these lefties on Twitter and everything, genuinely confused by what's going on because they don't know what's happening because CNN won't tell them.
And that's all they're willing to listen to and watch because they're irresponsible individuals.
So thus they end up seeing these stories and they're like, what's the, who's Durham?
What is it even about?
Why is Trump saying that?
Trump's bad.
Oh man.
daniel turner
Yeah.
Trump thinks these people deserve to be killed and they don't know any of the background story.
And again, that's the problem.
You make the story about yourself also, which is a huge issue.
Well, let your enemies kill themselves if that's what they're doing, but don't interrupt their mistake.
But he does.
And that's unfortunate.
tim pool
Let's read a little bit of this story because we'll get into the details here.
They say anti-hate speech activists, oh my, have condemned the Republican U.S.
Congressman Jim Jordan for his apparent endorsement of Donald Trump's declaration that members of Hillary Clinton's campaign staff should have been executed.
Okay.
Jordan asserted on Fox & Friends that the former president was right on target when he accused Clinton's aides of spying on him and that another time in U.S.
history their crime would have been punishable by death.
Trump didn't accuse them.
Durham did.
Trump just said, wow, that's a crazy accusation.
It's crazy how the Guardian is framing it.
But the positions of the Ohio right-winger and fierce Trump loyalist, who is resisting efforts from a congressional committee to explain his own role in the deadly January 6th riot that Trump incited, look at that, that Trump incited, look what they do, serves only to stoke further the country's volatile, you know what?
Is there a, like, this paragraph is perfectly ironic.
They say, serves only to stoke further the country's volatile political divisions, which is literally what this sentence is doing.
It's amazing.
I love how they say Trump incited the violence when Ray Epps, he's this guy on the ground, January 5th and 6th, yelling at people to go into the Capitol, telling them to do it.
And Adam Kinzinger is like, yeah, but you know, he was just talking, he didn't do anything.
It's like, yo, if it's not incitement to directly tell people to do it, I don't know how you claim Donald Trump was inciting anything.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
Be strong.
We're gonna, you know, stand up for ourselves.
All right, bye.
And that was it.
And then it's like, oh, no, now people are... Trump did this.
It's his fault.
unidentified
He also tweeted to not attack the Capitol Police on that day.
He was tweeting against the violence.
So I really don't understand this narrative.
tim pool
You know, as much as we see a lot of this conflict escalating, as much as I've said, you know, early on in other segments, when Trump has the Durham investigation going for the Clintons, when the Clintons are waging, you know, political warfare against him, and you've got two factions using the weight of government and law enforcement and the judiciary to go after each other, it looks like civil wars is on the horizon because neither side will back down.
These are powerful political elites that won't back down.
That's true.
The facts don't matter.
The truth doesn't matter.
All that matters is that people have feelings they act on, right?
So, you know, Ben Shapiro says facts don't care about your feelings.
That's true in a certain sense, but feelings also don't care about your facts.
If there are people who believe the Clintons and believe the machine and the Democrats, they're going to act upon that, and that will lead to very serious conflict.
That being said, it's very obvious what they're doing and how they're lying.
Those of us that have been paying attention, whether you're conservative or liberal or whatever, we're watching the news.
We know for a fact the people who are in alignment with Hillary Clinton and Podesta and these other high-profile Democratic individuals are lying relentlessly.
CNN, garbage line.
Joe Rogan took horse dewormer.
And people believe it.
People believe this.
Trump incited the riot or the insurrection.
Oh, well, look, I got... Whoa, whoa, whoa.
The Guardian did say riot.
I'll give them now one, I guess.
daniel turner
Yeah.
Well, The Guardian is a rag.
I mean, it has been for quite some time.
I mean, it's just pure propaganda like a lot of the media.
What was funny about the CNN stuff and the horse dewormer and all that is that then as time goes on, not only do you find that they're a bunch of liars, but they're also a bunch of pedophiles.
And they're all a bunch of sexual degenerates, right?
tim pool
I mean like it's those it's it's a within within one week just just make for people who are the context I'd interrupt but in one week we had two different high-ranking producers implicated.
I believe they were both arrested and charged.
daniel turner
Yeah Yeah, and so these are the people who are sharing the the truth with the American people.
So, you know, it's frustrating that these if there is an escalation of tension or growing tension The media has a role that they're playing with it.
And they, of course, are stoking these fires because they have a business.
And their business is to get clicks and to get people to buy their publication.
I mean, that's nothing new to the media.
We've been dealing with this for 200 years.
But that's what their role is in this incoming civil war.
tim pool
Or cold civil war that we're currently in, however you want to describe it.
What we end up with is the media, these corporate interests, accusing us of doing exactly that.
They're like, oh, they just, they're grifting and they just, you know, pander.
The craziest thing is how, you know, we have such a disagreement in the comments and the super chats on this show and the nuance and the Tim, you're wrong, here's what really happened and us reading and going, oh wow, we made a mistake on that one.
And then you watch CNN, they have no interaction like that.
CNN just gets stuff wrong and they just, they don't care.
Sanjay Gupta admits to Joe Rogan in his own show, yeah, we shouldn't have done this.
Then goes back on CNN and Don Lemon goes, no, we were right.
And Sanjay goes, well, you know, you were right.
That it's just, it's just unscrupulous.
They don't care.
It's remarkable.
There are people who just keep believing it and falling for it.
And they refuse to do any research to read outside of what's happening in their bubble.
And they believe this insanity, but I tell you this, I don't, it's not just these companies want to make money.
That's a big component of it.
It's political.
daniel turner
Yeah, it is their ideology.
I mean, the video that's been going viral for the last day or so since this report came
out is the Leslie Stahl on 60 Minutes with Donald Trump where he talks about these things
and he says, you know, they were spying on me, they were wiretapping me and they were
not and she says like, this is 60 Minutes.
We're a serious news organization.
Okay, so maybe the facts needed to come out and they needed four years to come out.
But will 60 Minutes and Leslie Stahl this Sunday apologize to Donald Trump or will they
say, you know what?
Four years later the facts did come out and and it looks like now they'll just move on to another story and they'll find some 16 year old kids with asthma and they'll blame it on the big oil industry and that will be the new 60 minute story and they will the way the media gets out of this is they just pretend it didn't happen.
ian crossland
While I was administering minds, there's this weird feeling of power when you censor something that you don't agree with, and then you see that it affects, it works, and that you're basically, you feel like God.
It's like a sense of control.
That's what these people experience.
I had to fight that feeling as a moderator.
I had to learn it, and then tame it, and control it, and notice it.
And these people, that's what they're getting.
They're like, yeah man, I'm just gonna ignore Trump.
Like you said, Leslie Saul's not going to do the right thing and correct themselves because they don't have to legally right now.
They probably should.
And then they're going to feel like God because they're like, wow, we control the narrative.
tim pool
Mika Brzezinski.
Remember that?
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, the president thinks he can tell people to think, but that's our job.
Yeah.
It said something to that effect, right?
And then they had to issue it.
Like Snopes is like, she did not say that it was her job to... I love that Snopes fact check.
It's Joe Biden giving out crack pipes, mostly false.
daniel turner
Mostly false.
tim pool
He's also giving syringes.
unidentified
That's what it was.
tim pool
It's amazing.
But people see the mostly false and it works for them.
That's all they need to see.
They don't need to read it any further.
And it's like, the funny thing about that whole crack pipe story is, if you look at how they gaslight.
When you look up safe smoking kits, this is what they were funding, $30 million towards drug programs, which included these kits.
If you look them up, they have meth pipes and crack pipes.
And then all of a sudden Biden goes, Jen Psaki's like, no, we're not giving those pipes.
And then all the fact checkers are like, no, they're not giving pipes.
But they just gaslighting everybody and it works.
They fall for it every time.
daniel turner
Well, it's the same as the, well, there's no problem on the border.
Yeah, ask Secretary Mayorkas and he'll say, no, the border's closed.
There is no problem on the border.
Next question.
And you say, well, look at the video, look at all that.
Ask the people, ask the agents and they'll say, no.
unidentified
Next question.
He's down at the border like every other week and he's recording video and going live and it's real news.
It's completely real and it's crazy how they're not reporting on it.
I was just talking to Lydia downstairs before we went live.
I was trying to brief myself.
on the Durham probe before I got here and I was trying to watch a mixture of media.
I was watching mostly Fox because they're the main people reporting on it because it's basically a media blackout everywhere else but I also watched Maddow talking about it today and in the headline like in the little title card thing at the bottom it said it was a Trumpian theory.
Trumpian!
She literally it said Trumpian That's insane.
tim pool
That's how biased they are.
Reading the news, you know, there's viral memes about the front page of CNN.
And it's like, there's 18 stories about Trump and zero about Biden.
And Donald Trump hasn't been president in over a year.
unidentified
And it's just, what?
daniel turner
And no media gaslighting is going to be greater than the gaslighting we're just starting to experience that will be the rest of this year which will be the COVID gaslighting because we get to November and we get close to the election and mayors and governors are going to say nine months ago I took these mandates away because my policies were safe and they're going to say Ian how dare you accuse me of of using this for political purpose.
It has been months since my administrate and everyone's going to clap and say, yes, you did take away those mandates.
You fought to keep us safe.
I fought to keep it.
And they're just going to ignore the fact that bars close and restaurants close and mom lost her job and dad lost his job.
The gaslighting we'll experience for COVID will be like no gaslighting we've ever seen before.
tim pool
But maybe some people will wake up from it finally.
daniel turner
I hope so.
tim pool
Like the Super Bowl.
I love it.
They have an indoor mask mandate.
In LA and at the Super Bowl at SoFi Stadium, they said before the Super Bowl, everybody would have to wear masks.
And then there's this clip going around where it's like the broadcasters are like, oh, look here, we've got Leonardo DiCaprio and Ryan Reynolds and Charlize Theron.
It's like just showing all the celebrities at a party and none of them are wearing masks.
So at a certain point, if you've got, how many, what was it, like 70,000 people in that stadium, and many of them were wearing masks, but you know, you got so many not wearing it and celebrities, you still fall for these narratives from the media, you know, maybe you just can't be helped.
daniel turner
Yeah, but then today in Los Angeles County, some nine-year-old kid sat in their English class and took off the mask and they were like, Suspended!
No, I'm sure it happened because the Los Angeles schools, the masks are still required.
unidentified
I literally tweeted this today.
It's such a black pill moment for me to see all these celebrities and all these elites who are hounding people, calling people like anti-science, like grandma murderers for not wearing a mask.
And they're all just, you know, having fun at the Super Bowl.
But my 15 year old brother has to wear a mask or he'll get kicked out of school.
Like, it's just ridiculous.
tim pool
Let's get in deep on the DNI Ratcliffe talking about the Durham Intelligence reports and what's going on.
We have this story from Fox News.
Former DNI Ratcliffe told Durham Intelligence supports multiple indictments in probe.
Hillary Clinton purportedly approved a plan to distract the public from her email scandal, sources told Fox News.
Yo, Trump was right.
Everything the Trump supporters were saying about why this is happening, not all of it, but a lot of it, turns out to be true.
Hillary Clinton was embroiled in this scandal where she destroyed public records.
They say emails.
No, no, let's slow down here a minute.
On the merits, on the substance, Hillary Clinton had public records, she destroyed them.
Her staffers were smashing phones with hammers.
This is not about her emails.
It's about something very, very serious.
And then the report comes out.
She decided to distract from this news by accusing Trump of being a Russian spy, which took over the media in this country for years.
Here's a story from Fox News.
Former Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe met with Special Counsel John Durham on more than one occasion and told him there was evidence in the intelligence to support the indictments of multiple people in his investigation into the origins of the Trump-Russia probe.
Fox News first reported on Durham's latest filing, which alleged that lawyers from Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign in 2016 had paid to infiltrate servers belonging to Trump Tower and later the White House in order to establish an inference and narrative to bring the federal government agencies linking Donald Trump to Russia.
Let me just stress that point.
Hillary Clinton's campaign paid paid for the infiltration, the breach of servers belonging to President of the United States to accuse him of being a Russian asset or spy or linked.
Yo, okay, I don't see that as treason by the official definition, but how is that not seditious conspiracy?
daniel turner
Yeah, and it's mind-boggling because Watergate was bad, right? We were talking about this before
and and and Bernstein is he's famous for saying over and over again
It's worse than Watergate worse than Watergate and I did Watergate and it's worse than Watergate
This really is worse than Watergate because Watergate was bad, right? It was a lot of bad actors
Private individuals but to use the apparatus of government which has so many checkpoints that's supposed to stop this
from happening I mean you just can't and I've worked in the federal
government when I was in the Bush administration You just can't get access to these servers to these tools
to these listening devices to these spying device Whatever it is
You have to go through so many checkpoints and to go through those checkpoints people have to approve it and
there's got to be a process So it's not one or two or three or four or a dozen people implicated.
It's literally hundreds of people who are like, wait a second, Ian, why do you need this special satellite?
Why are you doing this?
Why are you trying to hack into this server in Trump Tower and you have to get your boss to sign off here and Lydia needs to co-sign in triplicate?
Lots of people are involved in this and they all knew what they were doing was wrong and and so to use the power of government again for the crime of Just not being aligned to the to the powers that be right Donald Trump is what you're allowed to do this if they thought he was a cartel operative right you're allowed to spy on people's phones police do it to citizens all the time if there's implication that they're doing something illegal, but crime and Trump's crime is I wanted to win. There's that lawyer who was involved in
tim pool
Trump's first impeachment, the Ukrainegate scandal, who tweeted right when Trump got
inaugurated, we are going to impeach him. Yeah. And then did. And it's
just brazen and out in the open and obvious. But that's why I've been saying I don't see any
out from this other than some kind of civil war, because they're saying it publicly what they're
doing.
They published a Time Magazine article called the shadow campaign to save the election or whatever explaining everything they did and it's in your face.
So my question is When the Democrats and the uniparty establishment types set up the January 6th committee, and they're filing all these subpoenas against former Trump administration officials, members of the media, at minimum, to answer one of these subpoenas, it's $100,000, they say.
Because you can't just be like, sure, what do you want?
No, that you have to search all the labor hours, all the legal responses and legal filings.
I don't know how the average person would even be able to deal with something like that.
Then you have the Durham investigation.
Now, former DNI Ratcliffe saying multiple indictments are possible based on this evidence.
And there's already been, I think, how many indictments have there been in Durham?
Is there two or one?
daniel turner
Sussman.
tim pool
Sussman and the other guy, right?
daniel turner
Yeah, I think just two.
tim pool
But these are building up and potentially leading to more.
Do you think either side in this conflict is going to be like, let's just stop?
daniel turner
No.
tim pool
So what happens when neither side stops?
daniel turner
It escalates.
ian crossland
Or they can start making concessions.
Because if you really didn't want to stop and you want to go into these public records that got destroyed and the copies of them, you'll see Sidney Blumenthal's interactions with Hillary and like running guns into Libya with Osprey Global Solutions, setting up the American, like a puppet state in Libya, you know, basically betraying our President Obama who didn't want Hillary working with Sidney at all.
Like, if they want to go, if they really want to go all the way, But I don't think that it could ever happen.
I think that they're going to play a limited war when it comes to this kind of thing, take pieces, accept defeat.
And they're not going to really blow it open, because if they really blow it open, then the liberal economic order is over.
tim pool
But why would they stop?
ian crossland
Well, I think it would get stopped.
tim pool
By what?
By who?
ian crossland
By the American secret military.
tim pool
What?
ian crossland
I don't know.
I think if you really start to pry into the secret records that Hillary was trying to destroy, you realize she was trying to destroy them for a reason, because they're covering up the American war machine in a lot of the way that it subterfuges its way into countries.
tim pool
But Ian, that is Hillary Clinton and everything they did against Donald Trump for years, accusing him of being a Russian spy, it's now being uncovered that they've been faking this whole thing to try and stop Trump and it didn't work.
ian crossland
They did it to Bernie too.
The DNC spied on Bernie.
I don't have the reports.
tim pool
Spied on him?
I want to be careful because I know there was a lot of foul play with the Bernie stuff for sure.
unidentified
Thank you.
Okay.
tim pool
I don't have it pulled out.
It's been like, what, seven years since this stuff was going on.
It's been a while.
But Bernie absolutely, I think, bent the knee to the Democratic establishment and just gave in.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's emails about Bernie talking about, should we use his Jewish ancestry against him in the campaign and stuff.
tim pool
The WikiLeaks emails, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, WikiLeaks.
I think, is this Hillary's dump?
Was WikiLeaks dumped it?
tim pool
It was the DCCC, right?
daniel turner
The Democratic— The DCCC.
And again, as bad as that is, Politics is a is a scummy business.
And if that's private actors being scummy people, I understand that it was his own political party doing it.
Yes, awful, awful, terrible thing.
But this is using the government to do it.
And that's a lot different because the government is funded by the taxpayers and it's supposed to be the under the authority of Congress that represents the will of the people.
And that's why this is a whole new level of scary, because it's not the DCCC.
It's not political campaigns.
And you've worked on political campaigns.
They're vicious and nasty.
Heck, we were just talking about a potential candidate who maybe was attempted assassination because political campaigns are nasty.
But to use the power of the federal government, which is supposed to be above all of that, is a whole level that we have yet to ever see in this country.
And that's the undoing of the nation.
tim pool
Seditious conspiracy.
daniel turner
Yes.
tim pool
It was a year years long effort of what we're all learning about the with the Durham investigation with the tampering of evidence.
Was it what that one lawyer who got indicted?
He like he withheld evidence or something.
daniel turner
Sussman.
Yeah, and his first FISA request to the FISA court, which was rejected, and then he got
a second one and he did get his FISA.
So he's going to say, look, I was listening to the Trump White House legally.
I got my FISA documents.
But he forged all of the evidence to go to the FISA court.
tim pool
And there was, it was, who was it?
Papadopoulos?
Who was a CIA asset on that email and they removed it.
You know what I'm talking about?
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't remember the specific details.
Suffice it to say, they were lying about almost everything to use the power of the courts to hurt Trump's presidency and to stop him from being able to lead the way the American people wanted him to.
ian crossland
And this is based on this story.
So this is just broke.
tim pool
This this story just broke.
But I'm talking about a whole bunch of other stories.
Their investigation is more than just this one moment.
daniel turner
It was I mean, Heck, it's three years in the making now at this point, the Durham investigation, right?
It's been going on for a while, and it's just starting to come to light.
tim pool
I mean, the Mueller probe, you know, investigating Donald Trump to the tune of millions of dollars, inhibiting his ability to do his job as president because they said, oh, but if he fires Comey, it'll be obstruction of justice.
Comey was basically protecting his job by investigating the president on completely bunk BS.
unidentified
We won't say deep state.
tim pool
We'll say the bureaucratic state.
The people who are appointed these positions, who stay in these positions longer than the people elected to run the offices, and they don't want to lose their jobs, and they found a way to stop Trump from purging them.
daniel turner
And then your head starts to explode when you go to the Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell case, and you say, who was the government lawyer who said that she could keep all of her clients confidential?
Oh, it's Comey's daughter.
tim pool
Yeah, I have to wonder.
daniel turner
And that's where you become just crazy, and you're like, I'm gonna go bonkers.
Like, are they all related?
Everyone's dating each other?
Married to each other?
They all know each other?
ian crossland
It's like in Hollywood when you're out partying one night, and then all of a sudden they're like, hey, come on, and you go to a party, and like, all the celebrities are there.
And you're like, what the heck?
It's like, it's in that house right there, but you don't know.
It's like another reality right over there across the street.
daniel turner
Another, like, alternative universe that you're not part of, that you experience just for one second, and then it all disappears on you.
ian crossland
It's real, yeah.
Those people probably are, a lot of those people probably are deeply in contact, I would imagine.
Of course.
tim pool
Birds of a feather flock together.
So they all hang out, they all party together, and they view it as normal.
So when Donald Trump comes in and he's not a part of that club, they just say like, let's shut him down.
And no one's going to cross anybody that they know.
They don't care.
This is why I say, you know, I was talking earlier about the Joe Rogan stuff and we'll get into that in a second.
And I'm just like, I really don't care what these people think about him.
And I think it was a mistake for him to apologize because all it does is prove that their tactic worked and it got a rise out of him.
Like they trolled him effectively.
And I'm just like, at this point, You're not going to convince any of these people because they hate you, and they don't want to like you, and they don't want to be friends with you.
They want to high-five their buddy while making fun of you.
There's no point at which the nerdy kid walks up to the bully and says, Look, I'm sorry we got beef.
I don't want to, you know, get in your face.
Let's be friends.
No, the bully will just push you down and say, Wow, that was funny.
And that's where we're at because there's an in-group and an out-group.
There are separate groups, whatever it is.
And the Democratic establishment and the media establishment, they all view themselves as the establishment and the in-group.
But there's a growing faction of anti-establishment individuals who don't align with them.
That's what they fear.
And I think they're losing.
I think the decentralized internet movement, the more youthful, free, and libertarian mindset is actually winning and expanding.
And we're watching it with the cultural decay of like the Super Bowl, the Joe Rogan smears.
We're watching it with what they thought they could pull off.
So I'll put it this way.
If the establishment political party was as powerful as they had been 20-30 years ago, Donald Trump would not have become president.
daniel turner
No.
tim pool
There would never be an investigation.
It would never be uncovered that Hillary Clinton did this.
It would just be evil Donald Trump colluded and he's in prison.
But because they've lost so much of their power as they wane and crumble, They're being exposed, but they still it's like it's kind
of sad, you know, it's like looking off to the old You know the the old castle crumbling and there's like a
withered old king, you know scraggly, but i'm still in charge
And no one cares and no one listens anymore Yeah
daniel turner
That that could be the only thing that could potentially save us from from the the coming civil war
Or, as you said, we're probably in some sort of a cold civil war, but one that actually does turn violent.
And what could possibly save us is the dismantling of the larger government state, that maybe you can elect the right person who's not left, not right, maybe just anti-establishment, who does take what used to be good about both parties.
You had Ray and Paul and you had Ron Wyden both say, the Patriot Act is bad.
Right like this is bad.
We should not be listening to people's emails.
We should not this is this is bad for the country, right?
Whatever that part that used to unite some of the left and the right maybe that person could find their way into the seat of power and dismantle a lot of these institutions in these agencies that just have I mean there are thousands of people right now listening to us and their little government NSA is not very far from here.
Right?
I mean, 70 miles, and they're there, and they're listening.
This is their job.
And the question is, are you keeping our country safe?
I don't know if you are.
tim pool
In their mind, yeah.
daniel turner
In their mind, they are.
And it goes back to the great Will Smith movie, which was 20 years ahead of its time, Enemy of the State.
I mean, if you haven't seen it, it's just an awesome... Oh man, it's been a long time since I've seen it.
And it's so far ahead of its time.
I wonder if Will Smith, I probably wouldn't want to enter into politics if you ever asked him, but it is highly libertarian in its principles.
And that's kind of where we are.
That's what needs to save the country, is the dismantling of this apparatus.
ian crossland
Term limits for administrative staff.
daniel turner
Yeah, that's a start.
tim pool
Maybe you can only work in federal government for a certain amount of years before you're forced to retire.
ian crossland
It's gotta be.
I agree with that.
Yeah, trying to remove the people is different than trying to change the system.
Because if you remove the people, more will come.
We've got to fix the system.
unidentified
I'm like literally getting flashbacks right now.
Like the Democratic establishment so reminds me of like an abusive ex-boyfriend or something because listen, listen, listen, they project.
I don't know if you guys have ever been in like a situation where the other person you're dating is always accusing you of cheating, always accusing you of being disloyal, disloyal, disloyal, but they're the ones that's cheating the whole time.
And I could see the parallel from the Russiagate.
They're talking about Trump colluding with Russia, Russia, Russia.
Now it's flipped back out, flipped back on them.
It just, it just so reminds me of being in an abusive relationship.
ian crossland
I guess for all we know, it was the KGB working with Hillary to push the Russia... Ian, there's no KGB anymore.
tim pool
What are you talking about?
ian crossland
Of course, there's no KGB anymore.
They all disappeared after the Soviet Union fell.
I don't know what they're called now.
tim pool
They all just quit?
unidentified
FSB, I think.
tim pool
Is that what it is?
ian crossland
I don't really believe that they were working with Hillary Clinton, but that'd be funny if you saw the full circle.
unidentified
It'd be more likely than a Russiagate.
lydia smith
Yeah, honestly, at this point, if the Democrats accuse someone of doing something else, you need to check and make sure that they're not doing that, because the odds are good that that is exactly what they're doing.
And this is Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals, right?
Like, this is something that they do not play around with.
They take it very seriously.
And it looks like that's exactly what they're doing here.
tim pool
It is the FSB, which stands for the Federal Security Service.
Sounds nice.
Maybe it's a different word or something.
lydia smith
It's Russian, so yeah.
tim pool
Maybe it's Federal Security Bureau, they call it or whatever, but FSB is the... But, you know, in reality, I mean, Putin was KGB.
These people didn't just cease to exist, they just reformed under different names.
Yeah.
daniel turner
And now they're all focused on the Ukraine.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, what's up with that?
I don't think that's, that wasn't one of the stories we picked up tonight, but is this all propaganda?
What's going on?
tim pool
Yeah, I think, I think it's, uh, the U.S.
is, we've talked about it a bit every so often.
When Obama was in, you had this growing escalation and conflict in Ukraine.
Donald Trump gets elected.
Conflict stops.
Where'd it go?
Where'd it go?
So when they try and come out and say, oh, this is Vladimir Putin doing all of this, I think it's possible that Putin is being effectively, you know, rope-a-doped or roped into it because the U.S.
wants Ukraine and NATO.
They want to build their pipeline.
They want to control natural gas into Europe.
Russia controls a large portion of the natural gas going into Europe, which causes high prices.
The U.S.
has been trying to offset this.
They need Ukraine on their side, because the pipe's gas problem runs through Ukraine.
And so, under Obama, you have this protest movement, which is in support of westernization of Ukraine.
Russia doesn't want that, because Russia has their military base in Crimea, so they invade Crimea, and that whole thing happens.
When Trump gets in, the conflict stopped.
When Trump is out and Biden's in, the conflict reignites.
So you tell me who's starting the fight.
I think it's the Democratic establishment.
Trump had no interest in going to war.
Russia, they took Crimea, but then after Donald Trump gets in, it starts to die down.
My friends in Ukraine are like, oh, we don't really call it a civil war.
It's just separatists that are fighting, but they've been losing.
Now that Biden's back in, all of a sudden all the troops are here and it's getting worse and it's getting crazier.
Propaganda.
I think the US, I shouldn't say the US, I feel bad for what's become of our country under the thumb of these crackpot despots like the Democratic establishment, the Republican establishment, the neocons and neolibs.
These are deeply, deeply evil people.
They think They have a right to destroy, to invade, because the ends justify the means.
And they'll tell you to your face and look you in the eyes and say, all of the great luxuries you've experienced in your life are because we sacrificed for you.
Because we went to war, and we stole, and we plundered, and we enslaved.
And my response to these people is like, what makes you think I'm okay with any of that?
And they're like, well, you got all these computers.
You got all this great technology all from the petrodollar.
And I'm like, bro, I'd have no problem living with some chickens and building myself a little cabin and living a simpler life.
But they don't want that.
The powerful establishment, they want to be the dictators.
They want to control.
They want the empire.
And they think the American people live a slightly higher standard of living.
Every time we do this, we're going to keep doing it.
Those aren't my morals.
I don't agree with that.
They seem to, and so they do what they do.
Under Donald Trump, his principles were, no, if the American people work hard and work for each other, we'll be successful, and we'll have things for ourselves, and America First, protect our borders, and I'm like, that makes sense to me.
The neocon neolib establishment is like, no, if we just put pressure on other countries and put them under our boot, we don't need to do any work at all, we'll just get free money.
daniel turner
Yeah, I also think since the time of, since the dawn of man, but I mean, just looking at the ancient Romans and Caesar, I think every leader, this may be a guy statement, no offense to the ladies in the room, but I think every male leader has felt like, I will truly be a leader when I take my people to war.
I feel like the wartime president is like an aspiration.
Sadly, and I think it's a terrible thing.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Obama had a little bit of that Bush certainly had that Bush Cheney.
And I think I think Biden has that a little bit as well.
Like when I go to war and I lead my army, then I am the manhood of the President, the fullness of men.
tim pool
Now that I noticed a name you didn't say.
daniel turner
I don't think Trump had that.
tim pool
He did not.
daniel turner
I don't think he cared.
unidentified
He got painted as the overly, like, macho, thinking that he had something to prove, blah, blah, blah, blah.
He did not start a new war.
tim pool
I love it when he came out on that one famous moment where he was asked about a weapons deal with Saudi Arabia, and he's just like, it's great, we're gonna make a lot of money, it's gonna be really good for the economy, it's billions and billions of dollars.
And these anti-war leftists were just like, he just admitted what the US does.
Trump didn't care about going to war.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He didn't want our troops.
He even said, why do we still have troops in Germany?
daniel turner
Yes.
tim pool
Why do we have troops in these other countries?
daniel turner
Why do we?
I mean, quite frankly, we have hundreds of thousands of troops all over the world.
30,000 in Germany, 20,000 in Italy, 40,000 in South Korea.
unidentified
How many in Japan?
daniel turner
I mean, yeah, in Okinawa.
Why?
Why is it?
Why are we still defending Japan?
Like their economy is Not as good as ours, but it's pretty darn good.
Their quality of life and sophistication and technology is as good as ours.
Why are we- why?
Why?
What are we doing?
tim pool
I'll tell you something interesting.
I saw a meme.
It was a post on 4chan of the- when it was- what was it?
Philadelphia firebombed that neighborhood.
You guys remember that?
Can you look that up?
Yeah, yeah.
See, I don't even know the full details on it.
But they said, ask the average Chinese person about Tiananmen Square, and they won't be able to tell you what it is.
Show them this picture and ask them what it is.
Show an American this picture, ask them what it is, and they won't be able to tell you either.
ian crossland
This is the 1985 MOVE bombing, refers to the May 13, 1985 incident in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States, when the Philadelphia Police Department bombed a residential home occupied by the militant MOVE organization.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
It's not the same thing as Cinnamon Square, by any means.
A peaceful protest of college students and militants.
ian crossland
The Philadelphia Fire Department let the subsequent fire burn out of control following a standoff.
So they basically burned these people alive.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And there's Waco.
We have our bad moments.
Oh, sure.
But the reason I bring this up is not to derail, but most Americans probably couldn't tell you.
They probably don't know how many military bases around the world we have.
They don't know they're living at the heart of the empire.
ian crossland
Yeah, 113 at least, or 100 some.
I don't know the actual number, but it's a lot of submarines we don't know about.
daniel turner
Nobody knows about.
And that's why it's funny if you ever listened or follow on social media, now the Olympics and people are like, how come everyone seems to speak English?
That's why.
You know, yes, our cartoons and our movies and Hollywood and all that.
But why do all these people speak English?
It's not because of they like our TV shows.
It's because the American military might.
But why did everyone speak Latin or back then actually ancient Greek?
Because they ruled the world.
And no matter where you went in the empire, you spoke the common language because they were in charge.
Why does everyone speak English?
And who's trying to supplant that?
It's not Germany and it's not South Africa and it's not Chile.
It's China, and they want everyone to start speaking Mandarin.
That is their goal.
tim pool
But Trump was just like, why are we doing any of this?
Build factories in America.
And the establishment was like, shut him up.
See, what people need to understand is, Americans produce relatively little to the amount of wealth we have, because we control the petrodollar.
You want to buy oil?
You want to use oil?
It's our dollar that you got to use to do it.
And, well, the United States makes dollars.
So that means loans go out to Americans on demand.
We then have those dollars.
We can buy more things.
But for other countries, they have to buy dollars first.
Other countries have to produce large quantities to be able to have a high enough GDP to trade for dollars to get more access.
We, in America, we live luxury off of relatively little compared to many other countries.
daniel turner
And someone is trying to supplant that.
And the neocons will tell you, we need to have all of these bases, especially in, and you mentioned Japan, and the Pacific, because we have to keep the shipping routes open.
And Trump would say, why don't we just move the factories back to America?
We don't have to keep the trade routes open.
Why do we need to have the Navy make sure we can get our vessels from China without
them being taken over by pirates?
How about we just make everything here and then I don't care what happens on the high
unidentified
seas.
Wrong think.
daniel turner
Stop.
Wrong think.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Paradigm shifts are hard for people.
And that's where the left and the right, the paradigm shift of whatever Trump was, were
like, no.
That's not how we do things here.
tim pool
I love, I love this comment someone sent me when I tweeted about the celebrities of the Super Bowl not wearing masks.
They said, things are looking pretty good in the Capitol, but it's a little rough out here in the districts.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
And I'm just like, interesting.
unidentified
Yup.
ian crossland
That would be Hunger Games.
tim pool
Yes, that's right.
In the Hunger Games film, I love it when they go to the party And the rich people are oblivious to how awful life is for the average person, and they're drinking Ipecac to vomit and keep eating.
And I thought about this, and I said, those celebrities at the Super Bowl are the victors in the Hunger Games.
In the Hunger Games, the poor people from the districts, once they win, they get to go to the Capitol and be rich and go on tour and laugh and gloat.
That's what these celebrities are.
They're not members of the political establishment elite.
They're not part of that powerful industry club.
They're the people who are lifted up and put out there as the face to keep everyone in deep slumber and, you know, lie to them.
daniel turner
So long as they say the right things.
tim pool
Yep.
daniel turner
But as Joe Rogan is experiencing, if you have said anything that bucks the system, then they need to take you down.
ian crossland
We were driving home from the cabin yesterday.
We went to this cabin up in Pennsylvania.
And I was saying, life is so good.
I was talking, thinking, or saying it.
And then I thought, for me, right now.
And then I just thought of all these people that it's not.
Like, I was just like, life in general is amazing.
For me, because I was born in the United States with some money.
These poor people, man.
And then I started to get depressed.
And that was like shaking me out of my mode where I need to be to help people.
tim pool
Bro, the last thing you'll ever want to do is read about Henry Kissinger.
Read about him and Africa and all that stuff, and you will probably cry yourself to sleep.
You hear about what this... I don't want to say the United States.
It's the global power structure.
But you know about the international monetary fund, the SWIFT system, how they control people, the things they do, man.
You know, they think they're smarter, they think they're better than you, and they're deeply, deeply amoral people who view humans as cattle.
Let me pull up this story and I'll show you exactly what we're talking about.
From US News, Justin Trudeau seizes emergency powers to curb protests.
They report, Prime Minister Trudeau invoked emergency authorities Monday to end demonstrations that have paralyzed Canada's capital and beyond since late last month.
But he assured Canadians that he would not call in the military.
Quote, This is about keeping Canadians safe, protecting people's jobs, and restoring confidence in our institutions.
Blah blah blah.
We're not suspending fundamental rights or overriding the Charter.
Yeah yeah yeah.
The move comes even as traffic began to creep back to normal Monday at one of the continent's busiest border crossings.
The Emergencies Act has rarely been used and would give the federal government extra powers to restore order by ending the demonstrations.
That is to say, peaceful protesters who are demanding they be heard by their government will be arrested, will be shut down, And that's it.
Because the government said so.
No redress of grievances.
Just force by the authorities.
And people are calling it martial law.
If you're not familiar, this is the Great Honkening.
Truckers are protesting.
They're saying, we don't want these vaccine mandates.
Lift them.
Trudeau says, shut up.
Do as you're told, you pathetic poor.
And this is what they do.
daniel turner
Yeah.
If you go to DC and you go to the National Archives and there's the Constitution, there's the Declaration of Independence.
Fascinating.
It's really cool to see in real person.
A little bit off to the side, not centrally prominently located, is a copy of the Magna Carta.
1215.
Seven years ago it should have had a much bigger celebration than it did.
I thought Obama dropped the ball.
I thought the world dropped the ball.
But if for the I'm gonna be nerd for a second for the first time in the history of mankind Power was ceded to this thing called the law whereas up till now power was ceded to other powers.
So so Ian is the king you know, but but if Tim kills the king now the power is ceded to Tim because and the the the the nobility of England said You can't just say you're in charge because you're in charge.
There has to be something greater than you, and it is the law.
And one of the parts of the Magna Carta is the petition of grievances and habeas corpus, right?
And to say, you have to be able to bring evidence against me.
You can't just say, I have declared that this is unjust and because I am all power.
And we've lived this way for 807 years.
And to get little Trudeau to say, this is wrong because I have declared it thusly, is abolishing nine centuries of what makes civilization
civilization. I mean it really is an affront to humanity as we have known it almost the
last century millennia because it destroys the rule of law. Donald Trump did not invoke the
tim pool
insurrection act. When they were riding across the country from small towns to big cities burning
down buildings around 30 people dead Donald Trump said, I can't do it.
You know, he wanted to do it.
Tom Cotton said, send in the troops and Trump would not do it.
Trudeau, seizing emergency powers, promising not to bring in the military, but seizing political power.
Why aren't they calling him a fascist?
daniel turner
Why wouldn't Trudeau's cabinet or his advisors tell him as a first act, why don't you find the head trucker and just say, you know, head trucker Steve, why don't you just come to my office and let's talk?
That's too reasonable.
Right?
unidentified
That's too reasonable.
And you would think that Canada of all places would want to give the truckers what they want.
People in America don't realize how less densely populated it is.
They need truckers way more than we do.
They have very Cities few and far between.
I really don't understand the logic here.
daniel turner
No.
tim pool
The logic is, Trudeau probably views himself as a better man.
And so when the unclean poors are demanding a seat at the table, he's probably going, oh, at my table!
It's like the Lord Farquaad in Shrek, you know?
Get that thing out of here!
That's what it is.
He's not going to sit down with lowly truckers.
Heavens!
Because it would be so easy for him to end this.
They're already talking about ending the vaccine mandates.
He could just be- They've already talked about saving face.
Instead, he's like, I- I- What he wants is, he wants people to know it's his power.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And he will wield it against you, regardless of your rights.
He wants you scared.
This is the desperation of the state, mainly in Canada, but we've seen it here in the U.S.
in some forms.
They're scared that if the people realize they have the power because government is for, by, and of the people, well, then the people might actually take command and try and vote for things the people want.
But the establishment, the uniparty, the powerful elites, the banking interests, the corporate interests that work hand-in-hand across country lines, they can't have that.
daniel turner
I don't know if Her Majesty is a fan of your show.
I hope she is.
But she does have the authority to dismiss her prime ministers who are in her realm.
And I kind of wish she would step up and just say, Trudeau, this is... That would be incredible.
unidentified
Has she ever done that?
daniel turner
Um, the last time was, uh, it hasn't been in a while.
It was, it was, uh, William the fourth.
So like 18 something, but yes, he did dismiss the prime minister, but that was UK UK, but, but, but she can the other prime ministers as well.
She can Canada, Australia, New Zealand, like not, not the Commonwealth, but the, what do they call it?
The crown, I guess.
tim pool
Imagine being the Queen of England and having, you know, abdicated responsibility for what's happening in the Commonwealth and done nothing.
Unless, of course, she supports it.
ian crossland
I think she supports it.
tim pool
Or maybe, for all we know, she's the one who called Trudeau and says, do as you're told and invoke the act and shut it down.
daniel turner
Maybe she did.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think Biden was involved too.
When Trudeau disappeared, I started hearing whisperings that he's been meeting with other world leaders in there.
tim pool
He did meet with Biden.
He did.
And Biden promised to intervene and help them.
ian crossland
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
And that's crazy.
ian crossland
Now he's emboldened.
And so what they're going to do, according to some, I don't know who this was, I listened to some prime, some Minister of Canada, Canada's Deputy Prime Minister said that they are broadening Canada's terrorist financing rules so that they can cover crowdfunding platforms and cryptocurrencies.
tim pool
Look at that!
Check this out, check this out.
daniel turner
That's why we gotta get rid of the dollar.
Make everything digital and we can control it.
tim pool
From TimCast.com, TD Bank freezes personal bank accounts that received 1.1 million in support for Canadian truckers.
The bank said it could not determine if the money's donors were entitled to a refund.
ian crossland
This is bad news.
He says he's not calling in the troops, but in a way economic siege is worse.
Like, you could either stage troops around the perimeter of someone's house, or you can just make sure the food no longer gets in.
daniel turner
Yeah.
I mean, this is just insanity, and that's the scary thing about our digital information age, which you guys are experiencing all the time.
We can just decide you can't have a bank account, you can't have a credit card, you can't have an Uber account.
I mean, there are people right now who can't have Uber accounts.
Heck, Michelle Malkin was banned from Airbnb.
Her family.
unidentified
You know what?
daniel turner
You can't have an account on our platform.
ian crossland
I feel like if we don't do something real drastic or something right now, these people, these truckers are going to get thrown in the gulag like these people on the 6th.
Yes.
daniel turner
Yes, absolutely they will.
The Canadian version.
They're already calling it an insurrection.
They're saying it's like another January 6th moment, just like Joe Rogan's.
unidentified
They're saying it's a nationwide insurrection.
tim pool
But look, what the truckers are doing is exactly what they should be doing.
And, you know, I'll push back.
Can you say something drastic?
No, no, no.
Nothing drastic.
Nothing drastic.
Something simple.
More truckers.
More people.
Peaceful.
You see, what we're seeing with them freezing banks, with invoking military powers, you know why I love it so much?
It's proving that the state, the authorities, the elites don't know how to handle peaceful protest.
Because when you have a violent protest or a riot, people get angry.
Black Lives Matter lost a ton of support when those riots happened.
Regular people are like, we don't want conflict.
So when you get peaceful protesters in trucks blocking things, oh sure.
A lot of people got mad at the truckers in Ottawa and they're like, you know, I want to drive.
But to the average person in Canada, they're probably like, oh, it's peaceful protest.
What do you mean?
Black Lives Matter did the same thing, blocking the roads.
It's, you know, I'm not that bothered by it.
When the state comes in and starts cracking skulls, people start asking questions.
During Occupy Wall Street, I was there on like day three when it started.
It was very, very tiny.
I remember standing in the rain on like a Thursday, and there was like 12 people in the park, almost nobody.
And we were under a big tarp, and this cop walks in, and he's got a raincoat on, and he just looks at us and he's like, man, I respect what you guys are doing.
And that was it, because there was nobody there.
It was like 12 people, and we're standing around like, so this is it, huh?
That weekend, when a few thousand people showed up to march, Officer Anthony Bologna walked up to a group of women standing on the sidewalk and pepper sprayed them in the face for no reason.
The video at the time was said to be the fastest viral video in the history of YouTube.
It got like 1.2 million views in like 10 hours.
All of a sudden, Occupy protests popped up all over the country.
All of a sudden, people descended upon New York and there was this massive, you know, occupation now in the park.
Why?
Because when regular people saw three women saying to the cops, like, what are you doing?
Why are you doing this?
And the cop, for no reason, just blasted them in the face.
Regular people got mad.
When people see non-violent civil disobedience, peaceful protesters saying, respect me, they're like, that's right.
You should respect the working class.
And for Trudeau to come out and crush them would ignite a massive wave that could go international.
They can't do it.
So they're freezing assets.
They're freaking out.
They're trying to navigate this.
So I will stress it again.
Non-violent civil disobedience works and it works so well.
Trudeau has seized emergency powers rarely if ever invoked because They're panicking!
daniel turner
You know what's amazing is that for 170 years you've heard the cry workers of the world unite since Marx said it, right?
And you literally have the workers of Canada uniting and the people who wore Marx and Engels t-shirts in college They're now all in these positions to be like, crush them.
Like, this is a literal workers protest and the elite who love socialism are like, this cannot stand.
tim pool
I love the propaganda.
There was a meme on Reddit.
It was like front page and it said, thank you to the 90% of truckers who are doing your jobs and delivering our goods.
And I'm like, I, you know, I gotta be honest.
I'm willing to bet a lot of the truckers who are still working still support the other truckers.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
I'm sure they do.
I don't think when you thank them, they're probably like, shut up.
I'm working because I need to feed my family, but I respect what these guys are doing.
unidentified
That shows a disconnect.
They don't care about the working class.
They don't assume that the truckers that are still trucking just literally needed to obey to feed their family.
They just assume that they agree with them because they care about vaccinations.
tim pool
That's it.
daniel turner
Yeah, it's going to be curious to see how much more this escalates and this use of power to shut down bank accounts.
It's going to get worse.
It's going to get a lot worse.
And Trudeau is too stupid and too fearful to control the situation.
tim pool
The simple thing is, you know, they said it's a nationwide insurrection.
They're trying to make it sound like January 6th, but on January 6th you had violence, and they were able to use those videos, put them all over the place, and you get people freaking out about it.
Regular people who don't know better see those videos and are like, I don't have anything to do with that.
But peaceful protests?
Call it an insurrection all you want?
It's not going to work.
They're going to keep panicking.
But this brings me to our next story, one of the most shocking and devastating follow-ups to the January 6th riots.
Now, this one is, as many of you know, an insurrection took place at the Capitol.
People were trying to insurrect against this government in support of Donald Trump.
But since then, we've had another moment that was also as bad.
CNN reports, Joe Rogan's use of the n-word is another January 6th moment.
That's right!
Joe Rogan, over 10 years, doing a show in which he said a word in context of referencing other people and comedy specials.
It's as bad as the storming of the Capitol.
unidentified
I still don't know what N-Word they're talking about.
As the resident N-Word, I will say that neither are that bad.
Lydia's crying.
I gotta say, neither are that bad, but I have to say that on the scale of things, the Rogan N-Word thing is like way down here.
tim pool
I'll tell you what this is, just very simply put.
Someone at CNN was like, hey, look, we looked at the metrics.
Joe Rogan's getting a lot of hits, and so is January 6th.
Can we put those together?
And so they did.
And it makes literally no sense.
It would be like if someone said, Whoopi Goldberg's comments on The View are the next Bernie Madoff moment.
And then just writing, while she didn't try and steal money from powerful individuals, the things she said shows how power in this country, and you're like, wait, wait, hold on a minute.
You're just taking two things and saying them at the same time.
In no way are they in any way related, any way comparable, but you're hoping it gets traffic.
ian crossland
Oh, I just found out that they changed the title.
tim pool
They did change the title.
ian crossland
Okay, so what's the new title?
The new title, I believe this is it, Why Shrugging Off Joe Rogan's Use of the N-Word is So Dangerous.
It's not even a sentence, it's a sentence fragment.
They posted the original story, they got massive amounts of heat about what an idiotic statement.
unidentified
And then within 24 hours... Did they omit January 6th from the article or that part is still in there?
tim pool
It's still in it, same article.
daniel turner
Is it the same guy, the same analysis by John Blake?
tim pool
So it's the same article.
If you take the original, it's got a different photo, and it says January 6 moment, they say, The same paragraph is right here.
those that defend him have done since video clips of him using the N word surface on social
media is arguably just as dangerous as what a mob did when they stormed the US Capitol
on January 6 last year.
The same paragraph is right here.
Yo, I'm sorry.
This is one of the most psychotic things.
This is the ramblings of an incoherent madman behind a 7-Eleven at 2 a.m.
and he's sputtering and spitting on himself.
It's the kind of thing you hear when you're at a bar until 3 a.m.
and you're in New York City and you walk outside and there's some crazy guy walking down the street in a dirty green coat with like a striped muddy ripped shirt and a crazy beard and white poofy hair and he's going, I'm Joe Rogan!
It's Edward!
It's like, can you write six?! !
And you're like, whoa, calm down there, old man.
This is getting a little out of control.
unidentified
It feels like, when I read articles... That was a very vivid picture you just painted.
I'm not gonna lie.
ian crossland
I read articles and they use this language like, stopped him from using the n-word and using the n-word.
unidentified
No one died trying to stop him.
ian crossland
It makes me feel like this guy's playing with G.I.
Joe's and it's the drama is in the little G.I.
Joe action that he's doing.
Like, that's the drama.
It's not real life.
unidentified
Stop him from saying the n-word!
Stop him!
ian crossland
That's exactly what it's like.
But then I gotta accept that it's on CNN, and people are reading this and thinking it's real or normal.
tim pool
Come on.
If this isn't— If this doesn't wake somebody up, I don't— I think they're beyond help.
ian crossland
They kind of, like, subtly changed that title, as there's no— Right, but look, look.
tim pool
You can take this— Here's my tip to all of you at home.
Google search the story, why shrugging off Joe Rogan's use of the n-word is so dangerous, copy the URL up top, Go to archive.is and you can then paste that in and look at the first version of the article which shows you the original archived.
You can also take a look at what we have here at the top of the screen.
Archive.fo slash capital T lowercase e capital Z lowercase y capital X. That is the direct link to this story.
And just show your naysayer friends, show your parents and your family members who don't believe you when you say the media is lying to them, and just ask them to reconcile this and explain to you what it means.
And if they still, still believe and trust CNN and defend them in any way, you can just hug them and say, you know, I'm so, yeah, I'm so sorry.
unidentified
So the third paragraph is actually throwing me for the biggest loop.
The concept of white people not saying the N-word has held America together since World War II.
I hate to break it to you guys.
People still say it.
They're always gonna say it.
There's no law against saying it.
World War II seems so arbitrary.
Jim Crow still exists during World War II.
What are they even saying?
What are they talking about?
Why'd they pick that?
daniel turner
It's held America together.
It's like if you were in Finland and they were like, Well, you know, what keeps America together?
Well, when you ask, when I think about it, what keeps America together is that white people don't say the N-word.
unidentified
They were storming the beaches of Normandy to keep Joe Rogan from saying the N-word.
ian crossland
I did a Control-F search on this article and the phrase N-word appears 30 times in this article.
Talk about propaganda.
tim pool
What is this?
It's, look, look, look, they, I kid you not, somebody just said, I wanna get the algorithm boost.
I'm not kidding.
I would be willing to bet a large amount of money that this guy who wrote this, John Blake,
was sitting in his room and he's like bouncing his pen and he's like, I wanna get a million hits.
What can I do?
What can I do?
It's like, Google search, he goes to Google Trends, he looks at the top 10 phrases
and he sees Joe Rogan, January 6th, And he goes, yeah, all right, I'll write that one down.
And that's what he did.
I'd be willing to bet that's what he did.
unidentified
I saw the screenshot of this headline earlier without the link, so I didn't know it was from CNN.
I literally assumed it was either The Onion or Babylon Bee, and I laughed at it.
I thought it was satire.
This is me live finding out that it's on CNN.
ian crossland
What is up with white and black being capitalized?
All of a sudden.
daniel turner
So black is now normally capitalized.
unidentified
But now look at white.
daniel turner
Is white not capitalized?
ian crossland
By this guy it is.
unidentified
At first I think it was only black that was capitalized.
tim pool
Because they're references to the politics and ideology.
ian crossland
So they're not even talking about color anymore?
tim pool
No, no.
Or shade or whatever.
Here's what I want to point out too, because we did mention this a little bit.
It says publicly used.
All right, let's play a game.
We're going to do a spelling bee real quick.
daniel turner
Oh, good.
tim pool
All right, Daniel.
daniel turner
Don't ask me to say anything I don't want to say.
tim pool
Ask me to spell a word.
daniel turner
I can choose the word?
tim pool
No, no, no.
Yes, yes.
daniel turner
Tim, spell the word banana.
tim pool
Banana.
Can you use banana in a sentence?
daniel turner
I would like to eat a banana.
tim pool
All right.
It's a noun.
You are referencing that in the sentence.
Now, I'm going to ask you to spell the word and I want you to ask me to use the word in definition, all right?
daniel turner
Okay.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Your word is oikonomia.
daniel turner
Oikonomia.
Could you use it in a sentence, please?
tim pool
Tim Poole said the word oikonomia.
That in no way used the word.
It referenced the word.
I'll tell you this.
Let's try again.
Your word is there.
daniel turner
There.
Could you use it in a sentence?
tim pool
Tim Poole said the word there.
Now spell it.
daniel turner
Yes, T-H-E-Y apostrophe R-E.
tim pool
Oh, no, it's the other way.
The reason you use it, the reason why using a word is different from saying a word is that when you're trying to spell it and figure out what the word is, making a sentence where it's like, Tim Poole said the word there does not tell you which there it is.
So Joe Rogan never used the word.
To use it in a context of which is to insult or deride someone, he said the word in reference to other people.
They purposefully do this to prey on weak minds and the ignorant, to smear their political opponents, to make money, to generate outrage.
And in no way is it true.
It was never true.
And I got to say, I think Joe needs to sue CNN.
I really, really do.
daniel turner
Because when they said Joe... Nick Sandman, take a page out of his book.
tim pool
Well, hold on.
This is a factual question.
And I think it needs to be expressed.
So long as everyone keeps accepting that saying a word equals using it, go before a judge.
And then ask the judge and I want the judge to answer. Okay.
It's that simple So Joe could file a suit. He doesn't have to do this. I get
it, but I wish someone would and he can say to the judge Your answer here will set a standard a cultural precedent
Is saying a word the same as using the word?
And if the judge says, we think CNN's description of what you did is correct, thank you.
You've now defined it, and everyone knows the courts believe that saying a word means using the word.
But I'd be willing to bet, based on my spelling bee argument, a judge would probably be like, yeah, there's a difference between saying a word and using it.
Well, that's next.
sues for defamation, you know, gets that clarification.
Now I do love, we had this conversation before about Joe Rogan and other issues like this,
and the left then claims Tim Pool does a show where he demands the right to use the N-word
and things like that, and that's the game they play.
Yeah, no, I think nobody should use the N-word, never.
daniel turner
Well, one of the things also, going back to what we were talking about earlier on the podcast
is the media as a whole and how I think they're responsible for a lot of the frustration and animosity and anger
that's brewing in the country.
And you were saying how they'll never be held accountable for what they what they have put out or they'll never make mistakes, you know, apologize.
Changing the headline is a precedent that has only come about because of the internet.
Because before, if they wrote it in Time Magazine, like the famous Time Magazine, Madam President with Hillary Clinton, that they published too quickly, right?
It lives in perpetuity.
But the New York Times has been found often going back to articles five months old, five years old, and subtly making changes.
Now, if you have the print version, you know it, or this website that has the archived version, But they don't have to stand by their reporting, because even in real time, if the tide turns against it, they can just change the headline.
And that's not reporting now.
Now you're doing opinion journalism.
If you really believe his use of the N-word was like January 6th, then make that headline and damn it, stand by it!
And argue your case, but to say like, oh that was stupid, let me rephrase it.
unidentified
This practice of changing the headline is more dangerous than Joe Rogan saying the N-word.
Well said.
Absolutely more dangerous.
daniel turner
Absolutely.
Well said.
tim pool
So, here's my pitch.
The CNN article where they accused Joe Rogan of using the n-word and comparing it to January 6th is another January 6th moment.
unidentified
Agreed.
Oh yeah?
tim pool
I like that take.
Yeah, that's tight.
Now, they may not have died doing it, but it is very dangerous to our democracy.
daniel turner
The Young Turks Tomorrow, Tim Pool's podcast saying that Joe Rogan's use of the n-word was not a January 6th moment is a January 6th moment.
unidentified
Let me play a game with you guys.
tim pool
I'm going to read you this article from CNN.
Cenk Uygur's use of the n-word is another January 6th moment.
The TV show host, Cenk Uygur, did not join a mob that forced lawmakers to flee for their lives.
He never carried a Confederate flag inside the U.S.
Capitol Rotunda, and no one died trying to stop him from using the N-word.
But what Anna Kasparian, another host on the show, and those that defend her, have done since video clips of her using the N-word surface on social media is arguably just as dangerous as what a mob did when they stormed the U.S.
Capitol.
Hassan Piker breached a civic norm that has held America together since World War II.
It's an unspoken agreement that we would never return to the kind of country we used to be.
That agreement revolved around the simple rule, a white person would never be able
to publicly use the N-word again and not pay a price.
Hassan has said it, Anna Kasparian and Cenk Uygur have both said it in the exact same context as Joe.
The use of the word descriptively, referencing someone's body of work,
statements made by another person.
And the funny thing is, when people brought up the Young Turks,
Anna said, oh, it was all taken out of context.
And I'm like, Ana's right.
And it should not be held against her.
I think the Young Turks should not be criticized for criticizing other people.
Papa John was criticizing Colonel Sanders, and they destroyed his life over this.
It's selective.
The point is, CNN writes the article about Joe Rogan, even though in the exact same context, they could have written about the Young Turks.
People are defending them.
Oh, but they're on the right side of the political hierarchy.
So the media is on their side.
daniel turner
Yeah, and that's the other form of media bias, which is more prevalent and more pernicious, is the media bias by omission.
So they just won't write that piece on the Young Turks, just like today, the Today Show will just not talk about the Durham case.
They'll just ignore it, pretend it didn't happen, and they'll talk about something else.
ian crossland
They didn't write anything about any of this with Joe until Robert Malone was on the show, basically.
Peter McCall and Robert Malone.
unidentified
Right, I mean the reason why people didn't freak out about these episodes where he used the N-word at the time is because people watched the full episode and they got the context.
This Midas Touch or Patriot Takes compilation is making people freak out who don't watch the show, who have never seen the show, who don't understand the context that he was using it in.
And it's insane.
To your point, they omit and ignore multiple, several members of the media that have done way worse than this.
I mean, it's Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy Fallon, Howard Stern.
They've all done blackface, like literal blatant blackface.
And I'm not saying I'm sitting here calling for them to be canceled or for them to write me a personal apology.
I'm just saying they're ignoring people based on which side of the aisle they're on.
tim pool
Justin Trudeau wore a black face on more times than he can remember.
unidentified
Black face, brown face, every type of face.
tim pool
He said he couldn't remember.
He doesn't know how many times he's done it.
ian crossland
It looked like he was in a play.
unidentified
He was performing in brown face, I'm pretty sure.
ian crossland
He had like that turban on or something.
tim pool
And Northam.
Ralph Northam.
unidentified
Yeah, well he didn't even, I don't think he admitted if he was the clan member or the blackface.
I think the blackface is a little bit better.
I think he implied that that was him, but we're not sure.
Were you the guy in the hood or the guy that's like, I'm the governor, I shouldn't be, yeah.
daniel turner
the hood or the guy that's like, I'm a governor.
I shouldn't be, yeah.
Good Lord.
tim pool
That was funny.
unidentified
Were you the clan member or were you just buddies with the clan member?
tim pool
Well, no, but it's like that question, like, when did you stop beating your wife?
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
The implication is you did.
So it's like you got a photo of Ralph Northam.
He's either the guy in blackface or the clan hood and neither is going to be good for him.
ian crossland
We could do that skit where you're like, when did you stop beating your wife?
And he's like, I didn't.
You didn't stop?
And then they take it as you didn't stop.
tim pool
That is actually good.
I did it.
What are you talking about?
daniel turner
Wow.
tim pool
And then, you know, the governor did not stop beating wife.
That's how the media plays it.
They know they do it.
Let me tell you a story.
There's this guy who would write for the Boston Globe.
And this was back in, I think it was like 2018.
Do you guys remember the based Stickman?
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
So at the battle, do you know about this based Stickman?
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
So the Battle of Berkeley.
This is when they were doing the free speech rallies at the Berkeley Park in California and Antifa showed up and was
fighting You know, they beat up a bunch of Trump supporters
So the Trump supporters came back and this guy showed up wearing a helmet goggles and he had I think he had a shield
Right like a shield and a stick Yeah
and then when Antifa attacked he cracked the stick over an Antifa person's head shattering it and
the video went viral and everyone called him the based stick man and
This writer this journalist I've known for a long time called him a white nationalist and
And so I was like, well that's weird.
He was in a mixed race marriage or something like that.
He had a mixed race kid.
And I'm like, that doesn't sound like a white nationalist to me.
It sounds like kind of the opposite.
But he was a nationalist.
And so I reached out to this journalist, I knew him, and I said, hey, why did you say this guy was a white nationalist?
And he goes, because he is.
And I was like, he's not.
He's a nationalist, but he's got a mixed race family.
And then he goes, is he white?
And I went, yeah.
And he goes, is he a nationalist?
And I said, yes.
And he goes, he's a white nationalist.
And I was like, are you kidding me?
You know what that phrase means.
He was trying to imply that it was a factually true statement because he meant he was a white-skinned nationalist person and not a person who believes in a country for white people, what white nationalist actually means.
And that's the dirty game they play.
Why?
If you were to sue him, he would win because he would say, Your Honor, he is a nationalist and he is white.
And it's not my fault people interpreted it the wrong way.
I was referring to him being a white man at this park and being a nationalist.
That's what it meant.
And the judge can then say, I don't believe you.
And then he can appeal and be like, you don't get to say what my intentions were.
The phrase is factually true.
Now a judge might be like, get out of here.
We know what that means.
That's reckless.
How dare you?
But with the, um...
Times V. Sullivan, he could argue, this guy is a prominent public figure who's got a social media following, and what I said about him was true, and it was not intentional, and they win.
Like the Sarah Palin thing got tossed out by a judge.
lydia smith
Actual malice.
tim pool
Because of the insane standard that we have today for defamation.
That you have to prove they were knowingly lying or acting recklessly, and recklessly means they were not upholding their own standards in their presentation of information.
So if CNN has no standards, you can never sue them for defamation.
No, for real.
daniel turner
And they clearly don't have standards.
ian crossland
I have standards for CNN.
Does that mean anything?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
It should mean something!
tim pool
If CNN doesn't fact-check, they can say whatever they want and say, Your Honor, this is our normal process.
We believed it was true.
And you can argue, but they didn't do any fact-checking.
And then I say, Your Honor, we don't do fact-checking.
We hear rumors, we publish them, that's what we do.
And the judge might be like, well that's reckless, or he might be like, you're entitled to your opinion and to publish what you think.
ian crossland
It feels like kids are fighting and I'm like, okay, they're fighting about this word in this language.
When I'm like, we got asteroids bombarding the planet.
The power could go out at any minute.
The land could flood.
We, we have real problems and this is just, but it's like watching kids fight.
And then I'm reminded the kids are in control of the military.
Like everyone's listening to the kids and the kids get to decide which direction the nukes point.
unidentified
They can't pick something worse to compare it to either.
It's like January 6th, January 6th.
That's the worst thing ever.
That's what we're worried about.
That's the worst thing ever is January 6th.
There's so much bad crap happening.
tim pool
Like the fire bombing in Philadelphia.
That was bad.
Yeah.
unidentified
What was that?
tim pool
The MOVE bombing.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, there's the Tulsa bombing.
Like, yo, if you want to talk about bad things happening in American history, our history is rife with really awful things.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
And Tim, didn't they do a survey of the average voter and everyone's like, January 6th?
What the?
What is that?
I am not familiar with that at all.
tim pool
No, I think there was a bunch of panels and polls that found people knew what it was but didn't care.
They were like, I don't understand how this impacts my life.
daniel turner
And you raise such a good point, Ian, in that, and we do have real problems.
Like, if you ever wanted to get truly depressed when you sit down and think of some of the major problems facing the country, the world, like, there are some really big, heavy, structural problems, but we're fighting about, you know, with Joe Rogan, and we're playing these little tiny games, and you begin to wonder, is it an intentional distraction?
unidentified
No, it's because Joe Rogan makes you think about the real problems going on in the world, and that's why they attack him.
ian crossland
People, I think, don't know the solution, so they are panicking, and now they're just focusing on what they're able to understand, which is this base stuff, this basic crap like racism and stuff.
daniel turner
And I think that's what Justin Trudeau is doing.
And when you panic in that sense, and you have power, you exert it the wrong way.
I think Justin Trudeau is in panic mode, and he's like the little hall monitor, right?
tim pool
I think there's a good bipartisan sitcom that can be put together if you just play the jokes right.
I'm imagining, we're talking about whether people care about this, you've got Nancy Pelosi and she's in like a, what are those things called where they bring in a bunch of people and ask them about their products?
Focus group.
She's looking at a focus group and there's a bunch of people and she's like, now we would like you to vote for us and does her pitch and she goes, Now, January 6th, I'm sure you're all very worried about this and a guy goes, I need insulin.
And she's like, yeah, but January 6 and it's like EpiPens cost $1,000 like there are things the left and the right are both angry about them.
And they're just like, Yeah, but January 6th.
ian crossland
And then someone's kid's like, I'm hungry that's there with the mom.
tim pool
And then she goes, shut up!
ian crossland
Shut up, January 6th.
tim pool
January 6th.
It's actually like that Family Guy joke where Lois is like, 9-11, and then everyone claps.
And then, you know, they're like, but what about health care?
And she goes, nine.
ian crossland
Eleven.
tim pool
I'll start clapping.
It's funny how Seth MacFarlane wrote that joke, but now Seth MacFarlane is on the side of the despotic, insane people.
It's insane.
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain, right?
ian crossland
Except for, what's his name from the Rolling Stones?
What's his name?
Mick Jagger.
daniel turner
Oh, that guy!
ian crossland
Yeah, he's got a hero to me.
daniel turner
Yes, yes.
tim pool
I just re-watched Dark Knight again.
We watched a part of it halfway through.
I love that movie.
And it was a reference to Caesar.
So the conversation they're having is Harvey Dent and Bruce Wayne, they're at dinner with Rachel and Bruce Wayne's like, you know, he brought one with him.
And they're talking about whether or not the Batman is right for going out and committing acts of justice on his own.
And Bruce Wayne, you know, playing dumb, he's like, who appointed, you know, the Batman?
And then Harvey Dent says, we did, by doing nothing.
At times of emergency, the Romans would appoint someone with emergency powers to protect the Republic.
I love that movie.
And the Rachel character says, the last person they gave powers to was Caesar and he didn't
give up his powers.
And then he says, well, then you either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself
become the villain.
And that's what that line fully references.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because people say it all the time, but it's true.
unidentified
I love that movie.
I'm a Christian girl.
tim pool
All of these celebrities were speaking up for free speech and anti-war who have retained
all of the gifts and powers and don't want to let it go now have turned on the people
Bernie Sanders is the best example.
He said, you know, he went from fighting for the working class to, if you want to be a millionaire, write a best-selling book.
It's like, oh, thanks, Bernie.
daniel turner
And have your campaign buy all the copies of it and keep the money.
Yeah.
tim pool
Talk about dirty.
That was a huge letdown.
Bernie was, you know, seen as like a regular dude.
He was a political career politician, but he seemed like somebody who wasn't interested in playing that game.
But boy, as soon as they gave him a taste, and it's funny because he didn't even need the full bottle of syrup.
They just gave him a little drop of maple on that pancake and he went nuts and said, I will do anything you say.
Talk about pathetic.
ian crossland
As much as I hate the term fighter, that you want to fight, you gotta fight for your rights.
America really does seem to require a fighter in office.
It is the commander-in-chief of the military, so your basic job is you're the lead fighter of the fighting group.
And Bernie wasn't a fighter.
He just gave up whenever he was challenged on big issues.
unidentified
Do you think they threatened him though?
ian crossland
I do.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
I think so.
tim pool
I don't.
unidentified
Let's talk about it because I'm, I don't know, he just seemed so genuine and I'm not saying this as somebody who was going to ever vote for him or ever supported him.
Just if I was on the left and I was a progressive socialist, I would look at him and be like, yeah, he's a genuine guy.
And then he goes and endorses Hillary and he just takes his weapon and just lays down like a sad dog.
And it just made me wonder, like, did he want to do that?
Was he threatened to do that?
tim pool
I don't think he was threatened.
ian crossland
It was after he found out they were spying on his campaign, and he still gave up to her.
tim pool
It's very, very simple.
You need only watch the Fellowship of the Ring, and it's the scene in which Bilbo Baggins sees Frodo buttoning up his shirt, and the ring's there, and he says, let me hold it one last time, and he goes, Adam, that's what Bernie Sanders was.
This fumbling, bumbling old nice man who happened upon the ring, and then as soon as they gave him a taste of the power, his face darkens, and he's like, give it to me!
And now Bernie's got multiple homes, and he's a millionaire, and all of a sudden his politics change.
Threatening him?
They didn't need to.
They said, Bernie, your book's gonna sell, you're gonna be rich, you're gonna finally have everything you never had, you don't have to be jealous anymore.
unidentified
And he went, thank you, mister.
tim pool
That's it.
Let's read super chats.
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Let's read some Super Chats.
We got one super chat, I can't see your name because YouTube blocks it, sorry, but they say, truck convoy set to invade Ukraine.
There you go, you're getting, you're hitting all those algorithm, algorithm, uh, keywords.
ian crossland
On January 6th next year.
Truckers.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Racist trucker convoy set to invade Ukraine, carrying police accused of brutality on January 6th.
unidentified
2023.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You'd have to say, you'd have to add a whole bunch of other ones.
ian crossland
George Floyd!
unidentified
And then just add George Floyd at the end.
daniel turner
Can we just throw in something about climate change also?
Just to appease me, like is this the real cause of climate change?
unidentified
Just a little Greta moment.
How dare you!
Just throw that in there.
tim pool
Okay, let's grab some... It just ends with George Floyd.
unidentified
That was problematic, I'm sorry.
tim pool
Raymond, the Turk Longwell says, my bro, new to IRL, at first said he loved the long-haired guy, Ian.
Now asked me, what's up with Ian last week?
I had to LOL.
I said, Ian is Ian.
ian crossland
Last week was like a surf, a surfing ride for me up and down.
You felt that too.
That was cool.
tim pool
So for Raymond's brother, you'd understand that Ian is like a wild card who rolls ones or twenties.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Ones being critical failures and twenties being critical successes.
ian crossland
One of the things I've noticed energy wise is the more twenties I roll, the more leniency I have to say whatever I want.
And so the more chances I have to make ones.
So I've got to hit the, yeah.
lydia smith
That's a good point.
ian crossland
Like right now, I'm talking over Lydia, which was a big mistake.
lydia smith
No, I appreciate it.
unidentified
Can I say something real quick?
I'm sorry.
I got a DM with a tweet talking about the Louisville thing from earlier.
It looks like there may be a theory.
There's a tweet from one of the officers in the Breonna Taylor case, and he says that he's heard that the Louisville mayoral candidate assassination attempt was carried out by a well-known BLM activist.
So I go to the tweet.
It's by Sergeant John Mattingly on Twitter.
I'm hearing Quintez Brown is in custody as a potential shooter.
tim pool
What's the name?
John Mattingly?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
How do you spell it?
daniel turner
M-A-T-T-I-N-G-L-Y.
You never know Don Mattingly?
Baseball fans?
unidentified
I love him.
He's friends with Tim Finley Jr.
and then a bunch of other tagged people and many others.
This is the same BLM protester that went missing and LMPD was accused of killing him.
He wasn't dead but apparently wants others dead.
tim pool
When did he tweet this?
unidentified
Um, 4.09 p.m.
today.
4.09 p.m.?
There's 24 likes on it, but... Here it is, Tim, if you want to reference it.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm trying to get it up so we can show it.
The problem is Twitter blocks you unless you're logged in.
lydia smith
So annoying.
tim pool
Unless someone has, like, the link.
Specifically, I can't... I got a link.
ian crossland
Want me to send it to somebody?
unidentified
I can send it to Lydia right now.
lydia smith
Yeah, I can't pull it up on the computer.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
Twitter started doing something recently where if you're not logged in, you can't view someone's Twitter page.
unidentified
Yep, that's because they're... Shout out to Flattery O'Connor for giving me that.
Okay, here we go.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
Is this one it for an IPM?
John Mattingly, Sergeant.
So I'm not familiar who this guy is.
Says retired police officer, Christian conservative.
This may not be true.
So, you know, we definitely need more confirmation on this.
I would say take this a grain of salt.
I think we definitely need more information on this one.
But he's saying that he's hearing Kendez Brown is in custody with a potential shooter.
He's friends with Tim Finley Jr.
and many others.
It's the same BLM protester that went missing and LNPD was accused of killing him.
I think this is fake.
I don't believe it.
I don't believe it.
lydia smith
What makes you think it's fake?
So what's the name of the guy they have in custody?
tim pool
That's a wild story.
That's a wild story from an account I've never heard of.
It's not someone who's actively on duty.
ian crossland
Do you think it's fake or do you just not have a... you just don't know?
tim pool
If I was going to make a personal assessment based on my experience covering news, I would say this is likely not true.
That being said, we're hearing about this now.
Someone's just sending it.
We don't know.
We've got to look into it.
ian crossland
Well, that's a very scientific method of you.
Let's test it until we can reproduce it.
tim pool
The first thing I would say is this person on Twitter is a retired officer, not actively on duty, and hearing a rumor is far from worth reporting.
unidentified
The one thing that made me actually want to read the DM was that the person, I don't know this to be true because I've never heard of this person, but the person who sent me the tweet was saying that this was an officer that worked on the Breonna Taylor case in some capacity.
tim pool
So, until we have, you know, better confirmation, you know, but I think people can take it with a grain of salt.
Start digging online and see if you can find anything else.
For the time being, I'd say my personal assessment is This is what they call a lead in the industry.
that is I'd start, you have to do a ton of research before we can get anything close
to a confirmation on that.
And I think you've got to be really careful because if people start immediately jumping
into accusing Black Lives Matter of being involved in this, then you fall on your face
when it's proven wrong.
ian crossland
This is what they call a lead in the industry.
May lead to a dead end.
tim pool
That's right.
Yeah.
And then if you come out right now and say that cop said this, look at what this cop
said, and then a day later they'll be like, that was fake news.
You'll be accused of being fake, of being a liar, of being a propagandist, and you will lose credibility.
That's why I stay off these things.
That's why I didn't fall for the Covington kids thing.
I had people sending me the Covington kids stuff, and I was like, what is it?
And they're like, well, what the kid's doing?
I'm like, what's he doing?
They're like, well, he's looking at that guy, look what he's doing.
And I was like, bro, unless you can tell me how he got there, why it happened, I'm not going anywhere near that.
And then I started looking into it, and sure enough, I see the video of the Native American dude walking up to the kid and then I'm like, y'all are crazy.
And then I put out a video and I was like, it was, you know, I gotta be honest.
Conservatives were criticizing those kids.
Liberals, conservatives, and everyone in between.
And for a while I was like, what is going on?
Like, everyone is wrong on this.
I don't care.
I'm not gonna say, like, I'm not gonna put feign outrage over this.
ian crossland
I saw an article that said the Native American guy, Nathan, I think his name was, was a Vietnam veteran.
But then it turned out he was like a refrigerator repairman in like- In like Nebraska.
Yeah, yeah.
During Vietnam.
So he was in the army.
tim pool
And he had stated on streams he was a Vietnam vet.
He said Vietnam era veteran.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Oh, okay, yeah.
unidentified
Keyword era.
ian crossland
Most of some stolen valor there, baby.
tim pool
Alright, let's read some more.
Nathaniel Meek says Canada has declared martial law, banned the uses of cryptocurrency,
and demanded insurance companies cancel policies of protesters.
You may be covering the wrong story to lead with.
The issue was the escalation of violence and it was it was we talked about it.
We do we all like which what's the lead story and think someone trying to kill somebody when politics are getting this hot.
I don't know.
I was like and not to mention to like there's only so many letters.
You're allowed only characters are allowed to put in a title on YouTube.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
DTQC says the law Trudeau Jr.
used.
Uh, Trudeau?
Castro Jr.?
What?
Uh, never mind.
It's not the one that was used by his father.
It's not the one his father used, but a less controversial version.
The army won't be called, but given the militarization of the police, this means nothing.
ian crossland
Oh, that's a good point.
And the way that they have cyber control, too.
That's another form of military that didn't really exist when, probably when that law was written.
tim pool
Digaboom says, Alex Jones mentioned Democrats getting attacked as an excuse for more restrictions on the U.S.
like six months ago.
Feds CIA behind it.
Well, I don't know if Alex Jones is speculating on these things, but I think we can put it simply, if politicians get attacked, you will see hard restrictions fast.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
So this stuff's all bad, all bad.
Whoa, what is this?
What is it?
Ivexcom says a big shout out to Mach from Chicks on the Right who had a stroke during their live podcast this morning.
So scary.
Sorry to hear it, man.
I hope everyone's alright.
unidentified
Let's see.
tim pool
Some of these are spicy.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Rain says, I hope this isn't premature, but 15 minutes in and Ian is rolling straight 20s every time so far, hoping this sticks all night.
Mostly did, I think, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, it was pretty good.
I think I did one that was really bad.
I'm going to look at it earlier.
unidentified
Which one?
ian crossland
It was like about 40% of the way through the show.
That's how I think of it in terms of what I recall.
tim pool
You're like, did I just say something stupid?
ian crossland
Yeah, I said something that faltered.
It wasn't a critical success.
tim pool
It was not a critical success.
ian crossland
It was because this weekend was so relaxing and enjoyable.
tim pool
Yeah, it revitalizes you.
It gets you going, you know what I mean?
I'm wiped out, by the way.
You guys went snowboarding.
ian crossland
To the casino after.
You guys just kept going all day.
tim pool
Yeah, but the casino was just, like, sitting there doing nothing.
ian crossland
I was looking in your eyes before you guys went, like, know my fatigue, Tim.
daniel turner
You've said that before, but the casino is not a quiet place to relax and rejuvenate.
It's noisy and loud, and there's smoke, and there's lights, and there's bings, and so you needed time to do nothing.
Like really nothing and quiet.
And to say, well, I was just at a casino.
I didn't do much physically.
tim pool
You're sitting in a chair for eight hours.
Just like sitting there sipping on a glass.
daniel turner
Stimulus, stimulus, noises, people, smoke.
Were you playing a game?
tim pool
Of course.
daniel turner
So you're concentrating.
tim pool
I want a lot of money.
daniel turner
Well, you're concentrating.
That's not, that's not relaxing.
ian crossland
You should build one of those sensors.
daniel turner
You're tired because you need to relax.
tim pool
But compared to what I normally do, that's, that's relaxing.
daniel turner
Maybe.
unidentified
Different things are relaxing to different people.
I mean, when I'm not competing, I compete in wrestling and jujitsu.
When I'm on the mat, that is like literally, I'm focused.
I'm relaxed.
I'm cool.
I'm calm.
I feel like it's an outlet for me.
I feel relaxed.
I'll be sore.
My body will be sore afterwards, but I'll feel mentally relaxed and relieved afterwards.
I think, you know, for some people, the casino, if you're relieving some stress, getting some stress out there, it could be relaxing.
daniel turner
I love that you compete in wrestling and jiu-jitsu.
Now let's see those nails.
I'm like, how do you do that?
unidentified
You should watch her flip somebody on their head.
daniel turner
That's pretty awesome.
tim pool
We got a good point here from Shane.
He says, how many people only know about the Durham report because Trump said what he did about the death penalty?
With media blackout, my guess is many.
That's actually a really good point.
There's a lot of people who are now going, what?
They said the death penalty for what?
And they read the story and they're like, Durham report.
So it may not work for everybody, but Trump may get some people, you know?
daniel turner
That's a very, very good, very good insight from that guy.
I think he raises a very good point.
tim pool
Yep.
I love this quote.
Heckles Jekyll says, it's a big club and you ain't in it.
George Carlin.
And he also said, it's the same club they use the beach over the head with.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
And there's a lot more to that, but George Carlin really, really was just fantastic.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
Let's grab some super chats.
Grant Thompson says, I'm not Japanese, however, I find the, why do we have a military base in Japan question to be really ignorant.
It's not like you dropped an atomic bomb on them twice and made them sign a constitution to not have a standing army again.
Yeah, but that's over now, isn't it?
lydia smith
That's fair.
tim pool
They've been allowed to have their own army for a few years or something?
daniel turner
It's not remotely ignorant.
I know the history of why we're there, but I'm saying, so you never get to reevaluate military decisions 70 years later?
tim pool
Right.
daniel turner
Right?
I mean, we have military decisions from the Civil War, from the Revolutionary War.
So if we're not allowed to reassess our current status of forces around the world, then I mean, I don't believe in forever PACs or agreements.
tim pool
Ghost Crusader says, Tim, I have to correct you on Bolton.
Trump hired him during Rocket Man's tough talks.
Trump hired him because everyone knew he was a war hawk.
It was for optics.
Still was a bad decision.
Agreed!
Agreed on everything.
Yeah.
Trump was trying to look big.
It was also, I think, Sheldon Adelson.
Was that who it was?
Wanted him to hire Bolton.
It's been reported.
I don't know if I believe this stuff.
It's really, really hard these days.
Because, like, CNN will come out and they'll be like, you know, Donald Trump does backflip.
And I'm like, I just don't believe you.
daniel turner
Sheldon Adelson, the... Financier.
The casino magnate, right?
tim pool
Is that who it is?
daniel turner
Yeah.
Okay.
tim pool
I don't know if that's true.
I don't know.
daniel turner
I read it on some article and you never know these days.
tim pool
Yeah, I think he's passed, right?
He died in January 11, 2021.
Yeah.
All right.
ian crossland
like that.
CEO of Las Vegas Sands Corporation.
Yeah.
tim pool
But I don't know if that's true.
I don't know.
I read it on some article and you never know these days.
daniel turner
Yeah, I think he's passed, right?
ian crossland
He died in January 11, 2021.
Yeah.
daniel turner
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's read what we got here.
Patricia Swisher says, read further.
Canada is seizing funds and forcing crowdfunders payment processors to report.
lydia smith
Yeah, I would mention that.
tim pool
I love Canadia.
lydia smith
Canadia.
tim pool
Canadia.
daniel turner
Do you think they'll be able to do to crypto?
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
Will they be able to do to crypto what they're able to do with things like GoFundMe and GivePayGo, whatever it is?
ian crossland
They'll be playing whack-a-mole with crypto if they do that.
daniel turner
No, you don't think it will be able to be seized in the same way, even though it's digital?
tim pool
It can be seized, yeah.
It's a lot harder, but when they kick your door in and Crack you over the head with a baton and black bag you and then drag you out into a van and say, give us the keys to your accounts, you probably do it.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
So if they want it, they'll get it.
daniel turner
But will the government will be able to seize it as easily as they can seize your Bank of America account?
tim pool
No.
What's going to happen, though, is for ease, people are going to start setting up exchange accounts to hold their crypto.
Look, if you have a million dollars in cash, You know, it's like, it's surprisingly small.
People don't realize this.
Like, if you ever actually look at $100 bills, it's like a small thing.
It's like, not that much money.
I mean, it's a lot of money, but it's not that voluminous.
unidentified
He's like, I know what a million dollars in cash looks like.
tim pool
No, I was watching this, like, video online, and it was like showing a man next to piles of money.
And it was like, in movies, they open a briefcase, and it's like a million dollars.
But if they, I think it was maybe Adam Ruins Everything.
They open the briefcase, and there's like a small little pile in the middle of the briefcase.
But anyway, if you have that, And you bury it in the woods somewhere.
Yeah, the government can't see it, they don't know where it is.
They can try and find it and try and figure out how to get it.
If you let someone else hold your money, like a bank, yeah, the government's gonna walk up and be like, give me the money, and the bank's gonna be like, you got a boss, here you go, and now your money's gone.
This is what people are gonna do.
It's easier to have your money in an exchange than it is to personally hold it in your own wallet or to hold the keys or to cold store it or anything like that.
So like anybody else, they'll put their money in a bank, in the crypto version of it, and the government will go to that and say, block them out.
And they'll lock your account, and then you have nothing.
ian crossland
I could see, like, if you put all the crypto on your personal wallet, and then you sent a bunch onto cold storage, and then you took your cold storage keys, and you went and buried them in your backyard, they might not be able to find those keys if they come, and they're like, give us the keys!
You're like, I don't know where they are anymore, I lost them!
But they're still gonna have evidence that the money was yours and you moved it to another account.
tim pool
That's the thing.
With cash.
Someone can give you cash and no one knows you had it.
Because it's a physical object.
With crypto, in almost every circumstance, almost, they'll be able to know you did take the money.
And you'll say, I don't know where it is, but they'll be like, BS, you took it.
They can charge you for it.
They can say, here's the evidence, your honor, they got the cash.
Shake your neighbor's hand.
I do that with cash cashless society will not be fun my friends when everyone's got a social credit score
And then one day it's like your score dips below 200 and your bank account gets locked and it's like to improve your
score do social Good, you know and it'll say things like your neighbor's
hand No, no, it'll be like if you go one if you go one day
without increasing your carbon footprint you earn one point Hmm, so it's like they lock your bank account, but it's
like don't worry Now you won't increase your carbon footprint for a day.
And by tomorrow you'll be able to buy again.
That'll be life.
I love those reports where it's like, if you buy a gun, your score goes down.
You see that?
If you buy a score, if you buy a gun or alcohol or cigarettes, your ESG goes down.
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
If you're buying carbon.
daniel turner
I haven't said my score must be zero.
That's all I buy are gun, alcohol and cigarettes.
tim pool
Yo, people, you just cannot let the ESG stuff happen.
People don't realize.
You're gonna be unemployable, you're gonna have no bank account, there's not gonna be any cash, and the only food you're going to get is gonna be from a shelter, and it's gonna be trash, garbage food.
It's like, you'll live outside of these gigantic, homogenized Borg cities, where you'll have no access.
But I will say, the parallel economy is being built.
lydia smith
Yes.
ian crossland
So I've heard that they're going to be training kids and adults to code in the future and for the metaverse and conscript them as slaves to build the system while they're inside it.
unidentified
Geez.
lydia smith
That's exciting.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is Allison McDowell's uncovered this idea.
This is terrifying.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more.
Tim Jakes' correction.
The KGB is now called the SVR.
The FSB is internal security.
SVR is external.
There's also the GRU, military.
So the three Russian intel services are SVR, GRU, and FSB.
Thank you very much.
Very, very, very good.
Good to know.
Matt says, scratch the surface of the internet and you'll find believable theories that Trudeau is the son of Fidel Castro might explain his motivation to be a charismatic and feared dictator.
Thoughts?
I have not looked into it at all, but I will say I saw a picture of Trudeau and Castro side by side.
I'm like, they got the same nose.
unidentified
And he looks nothing like his quote unquote dad either.
tim pool
They got the same nose.
But I'd have to look into it because there's a lot of crazy stuff on the internet.
daniel turner
It's like Prince Harry is not the son of Charles and all those things.
ian crossland
So Pierre adopted Justin from Fidel as like a diplomatic... He doesn't know.
Oh, he doesn't know.
Fidel and Pierre's wife were hanging out.
Smoking Cuban cigars, if you know what I'm saying.
tim pool
Weren't they friends?
daniel turner
Were they friends?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure they... There's a picture of him with her.
lydia smith
She's got her hand on his arm and everything.
I'm telling you, they're doing it.
ian crossland
Trudeau's mom?
There's a picture?
lydia smith
Yes!
unidentified
That makes me believe it.
daniel turner
That would definitely happen.
ian crossland
The surprising life of Justin Trudeau's party-loving mom.
Whoa, this is cool.
Margaret Trudeau close friend got a picture of her with yeah, there's pictures of her hanging out with Castro That's his dad on the other side pretty Castro right in between them.
daniel turner
Yeah, well Canada always had relations with Cuba, right?
unidentified
I think Canada never severed diplomatic ties laughing with her arm around him with her arm on his bicep with her hand on his bicep.
daniel turner
Oh my gosh With with their son Is that little Justin as a baby?
lydia smith
He's got her hand on his arm.
tim pool
I don't know.
lydia smith
I'm telling you.
tim pool
Look at this one.
This one that goes viral all the time.
unidentified
Yep.
lydia smith
Oh, suss.
ian crossland
Suss.
lydia smith
All right.
unidentified
You don't put your hand on somebody like that.
That's evidence I needed.
lydia smith
You don't do that normally.
unidentified
Not unless you like have... Look at the mustache they put on him.
daniel turner
That's great.
tim pool
Is that Justin Trudeau's dad?
Yeah, Pierre.
lydia smith
That's Pierre.
tim pool
Yo, they got... Justin Trudeau's got Castro's nose.
lydia smith
He looks like Castro.
daniel turner
Wait, is that a young...
lydia smith
This is a fun rabbit hole.
unidentified
Wow.
What is this?
lydia smith
At this point, I'm pretty much like, yeah.
unidentified
This isn't edited?
No.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Maybe it is.
No, it's not edited.
ian crossland
This is my favorite conspiracy theory.
unidentified
But the nose is exactly the same.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
Look at that nose.
unidentified
The eyebrows even, like, oh my goodness.
lydia smith
I think with facial hair, they look freaking identical.
Wow.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Now we just got to find out when his mom was hanging out with Castro and when he was born.
lydia smith
Yeah, the timeline lines up.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
Yep.
daniel turner
How old is Justin Trudeau?
Probably like 53, 50?
lydia smith
I'm not sure how old he is.
ian crossland
Dude, there's a picture of, is that Justin Trudeau that Castro is carrying next to Trudeau's mom?
You got that picture too?
Yeah, that's the one.
His mom's right next to it on the right, but she's cropped out of this one.
tim pool
And that's Justin Trudeau's dad?
He looks nothing like him.
lydia smith
Nothing like Justin.
unidentified
Yo, what?
I think we just cracked it, guys.
I think we cracked it, guys.
lydia smith
I think we did it.
daniel turner
His dad looks like Francois Mitterrand.
His dad looks like... He's like a French guy.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Justin Trudeau looks nothing like this guy.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Kester looks so happy when he's with her, too.
tim pool
Look, I gotta be honest.
If you show this to people who don't know who these guys are, and you take... Like, people are gonna be like, what are they, brothers or something?
Yeah, for real.
lydia smith
They look a lot alike.
tim pool
He doesn't look anything like his dad, though.
lydia smith
So-called dad.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
Isn't that weird?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Hey, I'm not asserting anything by it.
I don't know.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's a great theory.
I love it.
tim pool
But I saw this and I was like, they got the same nose.
unidentified
Look at that.
They sure do.
They got the same nose.
daniel turner
Well, and they have the same proclivity to just silence protesters.
lydia smith
Be dictators.
daniel turner
So, yeah.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
There you go, man.
It's a crazy world that we live in, huh?
lydia smith
Fun, little aside.
tim pool
Is that against YouTube's rules to accuse Justin Trudeau of being Fidel Castro's son?
ian crossland
To suggest it might be is totally fine.
I think you can probably accuse people of their genetic heritage.
tim pool
People are calling him Trudeau with an X.
lydia smith
Yeah, Castro.
tim pool
Yeah, Castro with an E-A-U, that's what it is.
daniel turner
So I guess the question is, did you use it or did you say it?
You know, like the N-word.
What did you do right now with this accusation?
Did you make the accusation or did you just say it?
unidentified
I reported the accusation.
daniel turner
There you go.
tim pool
Context is everything.
lydia smith
Looking at pictures, just asking questions.
tim pool
Alright, Joe Taylor says, Ian, the photo showed Trudeau at a 2001 Arabian Nights themed party wearing a turban and dark makeup and sticking out his tongue.
unidentified
Awesome.
ian crossland
Not what happened, but thank you for clarifying.
unidentified
Awesome.
lydia smith
Context.
tim pool
All right.
Proto says, look up 1979 tractorcade.
It contains a lesson.
Even when the government has acquiesced, it tends to return to business as usual.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
Ray Coren says, you are all wrong about why we have bases all over.
Ask the sons of our men that died in France, Germany, Italy, Korea, and fighting Japan.
We paid with blood to defend them when they could not, or to defend, to defeat, or to defeat the Nazis and Japanese.
ian crossland
Keep in mind that Eisenhower knew the risk we were taking when we set up this liberal economic order, and he knew that if we let it take over, that it was going to get really, really, really bad, and he tried to warn people.
tim pool
Eisenhower?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The military-industrial complex?
ian crossland
Yeah, in his farewell speech when he left office.
He was the general in the Eastern Theater.
daniel turner
Remember when that dude... Yeah, he wasn't that big.
tim pool
Remember when that dude alleged that a group of bankers were trying to take over the country?
ian crossland
Oh yeah, the Federal Reserve.
tim pool
Smedley Butler, was that his name?
The banker plot?
ian crossland
When was that?
lydia smith
Yeah, I know very little about that.
tim pool
He was like, a bunch of bankers are trying to take over and subvert the United States.
They tried recruiting me to do it.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
And they were like, well, I don't know about all that.
And then, like, a bunch of bankers met on Jekyll Island and created the Federal Reserve.
ian crossland
Oh, I didn't know Smedley Butler.
They were trying to get him involved?
tim pool
Is that what the story is?
Am I getting it wrong?
I don't know.
Look it up.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
You Google the guy's name?
ian crossland
Smiley Butler's a guy.
tim pool
Google the Banker Plot.
Yeah, the Banker Plot.
daniel turner
Well, Ian, Google's to politely contradict your super chat to say, again, I'm not saying I don't know why those bases weren't erected after the war.
I'm just saying that 70 years later, you're allowed to reassess what is happening.
It made perfect sense.
Maybe it made more sense in 1945 and 1955, but it's 2022, and to say, well, We paid in blood.
I know a lot of Turner men fought in those wars, too.
But you are allowed to reassess your military decisions.
ian crossland
You're almost entitled to and probably have to.
daniel turner
Don't you have to every decision at a certain point?
ian crossland
You're right, Tim.
The business plot.
It's a political conspiracy in 1933 in the United States to overthrow the government of President Franklin D. Roosevelt and install a dictator.
Retired Marine Corps General Smedley Butler asserted that wealthy businessmen were plotting to create a fascist veterans organization with Butler as its leader and use it as a coup d'etat to overthrow Roosevelt.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
So that was well after the Federal Reserve, though.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
About 20 years after it was formed.
tim pool
All right.
David Nagel says, The Joe Rogan article is based on the February 7th Homeland Security update, which makes Joe Rogan a terrorist based on mis, dis, or mal information.
Check it out.
It's really crazy.
I covered it over on my YouTube.com slash Timcast channel.
If you're not subscribed there, you can check out that channel and YouTube.com slash Timcast News.
But I talked about that.
It's crazy.
They said basically anyone who is producing or sharing information that subverts confidence in the U.S.
government is an extremist.
ian crossland
Dude, talking about this business plot and this fascist coup, basically there was a lot of fascist uprising in the early 30s.
You know, you had Italy, obviously, Mussolini, Hitler.
Germany and then the Spanish Civil War is 36 to 39.
It looks like these bankers, it worked in Spain and it maybe in the United States it failed but that there was like a global because there's a global movement to create fascist governments all over the place at that time in history.
tim pool
Let's talk about this.
in the member segment and I want to talk about this tweet from the ATF where they tell people
to turn on their exes and rat them out for illegal gun activity. Happy Valentine's Day
from your beloved ATF. We'll talk about that. I think the conversation will be interesting. So
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You wanna shout anything out, Daniel?
daniel turner
Daniel Turner, Power of the Future, PTF.
Thanks for having me on.
Always a good conversation.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
Olivia Rondo, that's R-O-N-D-E-A-U.
I'm on Twitter at RondoLivia, Instagram at Rondo.Olivia.
ian crossland
I wanted to shout out a friend of mine, Curtis, who did this art on my shirt, his curry hobo.
He did the art for Aubrey Marcus's new film, Alone in the Dark.
Yeah.
lydia smith
What is that?
unidentified
This is Sarit Boritsava is his name.
ian crossland
Just an incredible dude.
You guys can check out his stuff at curryhobo.minds.com and it's a form of a Minds Pro network where you can kind of create your own domain within the Minds server and your own custom website out of it.
It's really cool.
tim pool
It's got subscription services too and stuff.
ian crossland
And you can go to minds.com slash pro if you want to set up for that.
So you can always check me out at iancrossland.net and I'll see you later.
lydia smith
Very cool.
And I will say before I close, I just wanted to touch on this because that guy's tweet, that retired police officer, it says, I'm hearing Quintez Brown is in custody as a potential shooter.
That is true.
Then he says a bunch of people he's friends with.
I don't know about that.
He is correct that this is the same BLM protester that went missing.
tim pool
Wait, it's true that the guy's in jail?
lydia smith
It is true that this is the guy that was charged.
tim pool
So what's the confirmation on that?
lydia smith
So yeah, so that is from the Courier Journal.
tim pool
So a BLM protester was charged.
lydia smith
That's correct.
That's the guy.
tim pool
There we go.
That's all we needed.
lydia smith
Yeah, so I just want to make sure that we know the facts.
I don't know who that guy is or what his source is or if he's friends with these other people.
It's really easy to look this stuff up, and I recommend everybody do it.
If you're not sure, do a little Google research.
It's all out there.
tim pool
It's easy to do.
I think we'll pull that one up to get started on the members.
We'll get into that.
lydia smith
Interesting.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
For sure.
tim pool
That's very important.
lydia smith
Yes.
Journalists are very, very bad at doing this, and something about Twitter means that people can't Google things, so I really recommend all you guys do it if you ever have a question about it.
Anyway, you guys can follow me on Twitter for more deep, wonderful insights like this, at sarahpatchlitz and boundminds.com.
tim pool
I've got one last super chat I find interesting.
Chris says, Justin isn't Fidel's son.
Margaret Trudeau met Fidel in 1976.
Justin was born in 1971.
The baby in the pic is Justin's younger brother, Michael.
unidentified
Wow.
Interesting.
tim pool
You see?
There you go.
lydia smith
Very cool.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
Go to TimCast.com.
We're going to talk about this BLM thing, assassination, whatever.
This is crazy stuff.
And thanks for hanging out and we'll see you all there.
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