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Sunday Uncensored: Thomas Massie And Marjorie Taylor Greene Member Podcast: CDC Vaccine Data, Vaccine injuries, And Medical Corruption

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tim pool
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unidentified
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tim pool
So, uh, we're doing the after show, but I decided to record early, because before we get into the deep, dark secrets of the battles in Congress, I gotta know, what's the Cluck's capacitor?
unidentified
Yes!
thomas massie
Alright, so, there's a way that hippies raise poultry on pasture, and Crunchycons, like myself, who want to eat Sustainable.
Sustainable shouldn't be a dirty word, right?
So we raise chickens in a chicken tractor.
It's like a cage that rolls on wheels and you move it every day.
So my problem is I go to Congress five days a week and for a while the kids would move it but now they've left the house so I had to solve this problem who's going to move the chicken tractor.
So, I put a solar panel on it, and an automotive winch, and a timer, and a battery, and it collects rainwater, and the chickens have water, you don't have to carry water to it, and it moves itself.
But here, the first summer it ran, I had a big problem.
The battery went dead.
And I'm like, well, now I gotta take this to the landfill.
This is not green.
This is not my green dream, right?
I can see all the externalities right there.
So, I figured out a way to do it with capacitors.
Capacitors.
These you can cycle a million times instead of a thousand times.
The problem is they don't store a lot of energy.
But guess what?
Chickens don't like to move very far.
So it moves one inch.
It charges the capacitors for 10 minutes.
It moves one inch.
The cage does.
It's basically like a Roomba with chickens if you're trying to imagine what this thing looks like.
But the Roomba moves an inch every 10 minutes.
marjorie taylor greene
Don't you want one?
thomas massie
Yeah!
And so then that's when I discovered it was- Sir, I would like to- I'd freaking live inside one of those, man.
tim pool
I would like to invest in your invention.
thomas massie
A Clux Capacitor.
tim pool
A Clux Capacitor.
ian crossland
Could you then make a house out of it?
A small house?
thomas massie
You could!
You could put rabbits- dogs could live in it, people could live in it.
Your house could move every day, you know, the length of the house.
unidentified
That's amazing.
tim pool
Really?
marjorie taylor greene
The roaming house.
tim pool
Well, that'd be pretty cool actually.
thomas massie
You put it on a wire to guide it?
It's a winch, so it's a cable, so it just moves along a straight line.
So it doesn't like go in your swimming pool while you're not home.
It doesn't move around.
marjorie taylor greene
He has an app.
thomas massie
Oh, it's connected to your phone by an app.
tim pool
It holds enough water from rain that the chickens always have water.
thomas massie
If you get a rain, they'll get enough water for two or three days.
But if you get two or three days without water, then you would have to carry water to it.
tim pool
Well, that is enlightening.
We have Chicken City, of course.
The stream has gone up once.
We're almost ready to go.
We've got ten chickens here.
We've got five black stars in our other property.
And we're incubating, I think, seven or eight eggs now downstairs.
And you can see the little heartbeats, the little birds are growing.
thomas massie
Nice, that is neat.
tim pool
Yeah, we bought seven.
I think we bought eight, and two of them died.
And then they were supposed to be all girls, but they made a mistake and one of them was a boy.
marjorie taylor greene
You assumed his gender.
ian crossland
How could you do that?
thomas massie
It was all so meta.
seamus coughlin
It was really messed up.
And I told him.
I let him have a conversation about pronouns.
marjorie taylor greene
So tired of this whole assuming gender thing.
tim pool
Let me tell you.
So our rooster is Roberto, and he sired three children.
We did a big batch.
They didn't make it.
Only three did.
And there's two that are the daughters of Roberto, Rhode Island Red, and of our leghorn, I think.
It's just the white.
Very small, though.
Margaret.
And then we have an Easter Egger named Katarina.
And she had the boy, who looks just like Roberto.
We named Roberto Jr.
And now we have Roberto and his son, Roberto Jr., and they both will yell.
ian crossland
They're different crows.
And they're chilling right outside my house.
That's right.
You know what I learned?
At first, it was like, how am I going to live with these chickens?
And then a commenter was like, well, I have a hard time sleeping with traffic because I grew up on a farm.
Chickens don't bother me.
And I was like, oh, I grew up with traffic.
So chickens are just like traffic.
And as soon as I thought of that, I sleep through it now.
tim pool
OK.
thomas massie
By the way, the Cluck's Capacitor plays the chicken dance.
seamus coughlin
That's pretty amazing.
thomas massie
Before it moves, it plays the chicken dance every time.
unidentified
So they know.
thomas massie
So they learn.
marjorie taylor greene
Because they could have problems.
thomas massie
But there was a problem.
I had a wild bird that learned the chicken dance and was calling back to the chicken tractor on my farm.
unidentified
Okay, now, now, now listen, we've gone... I think it wanted to mate with it.
tim pool
We've gone several minutes.
I'm sure there are many people who saw the title and are like, talk about I don't care about the CDC!
I don't care about chickens!
So let's get into the nitty-gritty of everything.
So you had called, we mentioned this briefly on the show, but you had called the CDC.
Their data was wrong.
I want to ask this directly.
You were saying the CDC's data suggested the vaccine made you more likely to get COVID.
thomas massie
Is that what it was?
The Pfizer data and again I want to predicate this that with this information there was there were about 600 people in their placebo group and 600 people in their in their vaccine group who had already had COVID.
They out of they had like 20 or 30,000 participants.
marjorie taylor greene
So they were naturally immune?
thomas massie
They were naturally immune and what they found was there was one more person in the vaccine group than the placebo group.
It's such a, you know, it's like 20 in each, okay, who got reinfected or got,
or it was a breakthrough infection, whatever you want to call it.
It's such a small amount of data to make a proposition on, but the CDC was saying that it was 92% efficacious,
the vaccine was, for those who had already had COVID.
At first I called it a typo, and we called it a typo when we talked on the phone, and now I call it a damn lie.
They are liars.
marjorie taylor greene
They were naturally immune to begin with.
tim pool
So let's talk about where we're at now after these past couple of years.
When the vaccine was being released, Joe Biden said, if you get this, you won't get COVID.
We saw Rachel Maddow.
The virus stops with you.
And that was just complete bullshit.
Now we have the Omicron surge among the vaccinated.
You want to know what really fucking makes me lose it?
Is when these people are like, I saw a friend of mine, someone I know on a Facebook, a Facebook friend, someone I'm not really friends with that much anymore, said, I am really sick with COVID in the hospital.
Thank heavens I'm triple vaccinated.
Otherwise it would have been so bad.
And I'm like, you're in the hospital.
Why?
What data do you have to suggest you wouldn't have been in the hospital if, or you would have been dead?
marjorie taylor greene
That's mental illness.
That is a mental illness.
People are brainwashed.
thomas massie
There was literally a man who was vaccinated who died, and the daughter said, thankfully he was vaccinated, so he didn't suffer as much.
What does that mean?
unidentified
He died?
He died!
marjorie taylor greene
Well, you know, it's ridiculous.
Well, first of all, we don't want anyone to die, but the reality is, unfortunately, we die.
The real truth that no one wants to talk about is that it has been mostly people over the age of 65 that have died.
That is the real truth.
Sadly, it's been our grandparents.
It's been that older generation.
It's been people that are very unhealthy.
But what we really need to be talking about is what are the vaccines doing?
And here's what concerns me greatly.
We need to be asking serious questions about this because right now we're hearing about members of the military who are being forced to take the COVID vaccine or they're being kicked out.
There are problems.
We are seeing real problems and reports in the military with their health.
We are hearing about pilots who are being grounded because, you know, they're starting to have heart problems.
There are real issues with clotting.
I mean, this is the type of thing where if we don't investigate what is the vaccine doing to people versus what COVID-19 is doing to people, we already know what happens to people with COVID-19.
We've had two years.
We need to investigate what is the vaccine doing to people.
thomas massie
And the demographic at highest risk for myocarditis is young males.
Yes.
marjorie taylor greene
Healthy young males.
thomas massie
Yes.
Guess what demographic makes up most of the military, enlisted in the military?
marjorie taylor greene
Healthy young males.
thomas massie
It's young males 18 to 24.
Okay.
And so it's a risk reward calculation that should be done based on everybody's health condition and their age.
And the problem is if you've already had COVID.
There's nobody who's proven that there's a better reward than there is a risk from taking the vaccine if you already have natural immunity.
That's why I never took the vaccine, will not take the vaccine.
I've already got natural immunity.
It might be a different calculation for me if I'd never had COVID or if I were morbidly obese.
tim pool
Did you see the Josh Zeps episode of Joe Rogan's podcast?
No, I didn't. So this is the one where Joe got a lot of flack because he claimed myocarditis was
a bigger risk in young men and Zep said no, COVID is a bigger risk and Joe was like oh interesting
and he got roasted for that. But one of the things I was really missing from that conversation,
Joe said there's a myocarditis risk from the vaccine among young men.
I think it's greater than COVID is.
Josh responded to him saying that's not true.
COVID is a greater risk.
But let's put those ideas together.
If you already got COVID and have a high risk for myocarditis, You have natural immunity, so why get a vaccine that would only increase your risk of myocarditis?
Now, everybody, you know, all the establishment left mocked Joe for that one, but I'm like, he missed the greater point he should have addressed.
ian crossland
What everyone else missed is that they didn't know what fucking variant they were talking about.
The first variant of COVID was way more deadly than Omicron.
And Zeps was just saying COVID, COVID, COVID.
Like, he's not specifying, because he probably doesn't even know.
The fucking Fauci doesn't even know.
There could be eight variants right now in my body.
tim pool
And don't you question science.
marjorie taylor greene
The science is changing.
ian crossland
It's the scientific method.
Let's rely on that.
tim pool
Have you seen the meme of Darth Vader?
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The science has changed.
tim pool
The science has been altered.
unidentified
Pray I don't alter it further.
marjorie taylor greene
That's the truth.
tim pool
I'm tweeting that.
unidentified
Oh, but you know what?
tim pool
At least I get out of here.
marjorie taylor greene
Oh, that's crazy.
So remember before COVID, BC, that's the whole time zone.
That was before COVID.
And then we're living in AC.
This is after COVID.
But before COVID, every single year, they would create a flu shot.
I've never taken the flu shot.
I don't want it.
I've also never gotten vaccinated.
I don't want it.
I don't need it.
But yeah, right.
But before that, they would create it based on what strain of flu, what variant, they thought it might be.
Taking a guess!
seamus coughlin
So even then, to some degree, it is a crapshoot.
Yeah, because they don't know for sure.
But I will also say this.
Science can change, and that's okay, and it's all right.
I mean, it's science in the sense that you can get more research, you can learn new things, you can realize that your former conclusions were wrong, and that's fine.
But the problem is, You can't say the science changed or the science is liable to change while at the same time saying, if you challenge what the science says now, you're an insane conspiracy theorist.
You don't get to say, this is infallible, but it's changing.
marjorie taylor greene
But remember the Catholic Church?
seamus coughlin
I'm Catholic.
marjorie taylor greene
Well, I grew up Catholic too, but remember back in the day, a long time ago, I think it was in the 1600s, the Catholic Church said, the earth is flat.
And Galileo said, no, it's round.
And they put Galileo on house arrest.
That's the same thing as like kicking me off of Twitter.
No, Marjorie, you're going into house arrest.
You're not allowed to tweet anymore because you said the truth that everyone already knows.
And so it's the same thing.
That's what's happening now.
They were the authoritarian power of the day, the Catholic Church.
tim pool
It was a good time.
seamus coughlin
I just want to say this.
Oh, sorry.
Do you want to?
tim pool
Well, you guys brought up the church, then I want to show this video.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
Well, I just want to say one thing.
Firstly, the controversy you're referring to was with geocentrism versus heliocentrism.
It was not the Earth being flat around.
It was a question of what the center of our solar system was.
But also on top of that, The universe too, yeah.
But the church has never made any official declaration on where the earth is in the universe because it's outside the purview of moral theology, basically.
However, I know that with the Galileo controversy, he and the Pope at the time, this is a kind of interesting bit of history, they were frenemies.
They had known each other before the time that he was the Pope, and so they got into a spat over whether the Sun or Earth was the center of the universe.
And Galileo basically wrote this play where he was referring to the Pope as Simplicicus, calling him stupid.
And so it was actually much more to do with politics.
unidentified
Oh, it's always politics, but it's not about the Catholic Church.
thomas massie
Are you saying if he had been polite about it, he wouldn't have gotten in trouble?
marjorie taylor greene
I don't want to get roped up in historical debate because we have this video that's related to the vaccines.
Thomas, have you seen this video yet?
unidentified
I saw it.
seamus coughlin
You did?
unidentified
Today, yeah.
seamus coughlin
I'm going to play it in full because we can't do that on YouTube.
We can do it here.
tim pool
Well, I want to talk about this other story.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, sure.
tim pool
Trying to find a hoop on up for it.
So I don't want to get roped up in historical debate because we have this video that's related to the vaccines.
Thomas, have you seen this video yet?
I saw it.
ian crossland
You did?
tim pool
Today, yeah.
I'm going to play it in full because we can't do that on YouTube.
We can do it here.
I hope y'all are ready for this.
unidentified
I don't mean to brag.
I don't care, but I want you to know double vaxxed, booster, flu shot,
and I'm going to be honest, I have the shingle shot too.
Oh And I still get my period.
What?
Yes!
Traveled, went to Mexico twice.
Did shows, meet and greets, never got COVID.
Clearly, Jesus loves me the most.
Seriously.
So nice.
So nice!
Ah!
Ah!
I don't mean to brag, I'm just saying here, but I want you to know...
tim pool
Hold on, there's a couple things I need to say real quick.
The crowd busting out laughing?
It is Kierkegaard manifest.
Do you know Kierkegaard's clown story?
He wrote that a fire breaks out in the backstage of a theater, and the clown runs out to warn the crowd that there's a fire, and they all begin laughing.
He becomes more erratic, saying, no, no, listen, there's a fire, and they all laugh even harder.
I think that's how the world will end, with everyone laughing, thinking it was a big joke.
And this woman...
Boasting about getting triple vaxxed, flu shot, shingle shot, then saying she's traveled and never gotten sick, basically bragging about her good health amid these things, then uses the Lord's name in vain, and is smited down and falls and smacks her.
I'm not a deeply religious person or anything like that.
I just think, when I first heard this story, it was a story of a woman bragging about getting all these vaccines and not getting hurt, and then passing out, which was hilarious.
But then when I actually watched the video and saw they mixed in a little blasphemy, I was just like, Yeah, of course.
marjorie taylor greene
Did she say, clearly Jesus loves me the most?
tim pool
Yeah.
And then she says, and then she just faints.
She drops to the ground.
Wait, wait, hold on.
marjorie taylor greene
And she looked completely healthy and fine.
I mean, she didn't look like she was dizzy before that.
Nothing.
tim pool
I could hear her breathing, though.
ian crossland
And then she said, I want to travel to Mexico.
And you can hear her voice.
tim pool
Well, she's going.
marjorie taylor greene
But it was after she said, clearly Jesus loves me the most.
ian crossland
Something happened after that.
tim pool
According to her, the doctor said they couldn't find anything wrong with her.
marjorie taylor greene
Unbelievable.
tim pool
Did you also see the mural of George Floyd being struck by lightning?
Did you see that?
Yep.
So the roof is not damaged.
Only the outer wall and only the George Floyd was decimated, was destroyed by this.
I gotta tell you, sometimes you get these stories and it really makes you question what's going on in this universe.
marjorie taylor greene
Oh, I'm a believer.
I'm a big believer.
ian crossland
What do you think God is?
marjorie taylor greene
Oh, I know exactly who God is.
He created everything that we know, that we see, we feel He created us.
He created everything.
Everything.
God created everything.
But the fact that we can see things like this happen, you can't ever question God's authority.
And she was putting the vaccines above everything and claiming that her life was so great because of the vaccines.
And then she put God's Son's name into it and claimed that He loved her the most.
And she was struck down, just like George Floyd.
I'd never really looked at that building before until you... I don't know if you're going to put that picture up.
tim pool
I'll pull it up, but I'm curious, Thomas, are you religious?
thomas massie
Yes.
But I'm also an engineer, and there are moments when I wonder if God's creation is more like a piece of software.
ian crossland
I used to be pretty atheist or agnostic, and then I found the cosmic microwave background radiation, which is like the leftover from the Big Bang, this web of energy, and I think that's pulsing through us and causing the heat in our bodies and our stars and our planets, and that's God's animating us.
It's like the animation is God's experience.
tim pool
Let me ask you, Thomas.
This is the image.
You've seen it before, I'd imagine?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So, you can see the inner wall is not damaged.
Only the outer wall, which contains mural, and only the part that had George Floyd.
unidentified
So weird.
tim pool
George Floyd actually was wearing a crown in that image, too.
The roof is not damaged at all.
The ground is dry.
So, you went to MIT, doesn't mean you're a meteorologist.
thomas massie
But the scientist in me wants to know how many George Floyd paintings there are, and how many times lightning strikes.
Yeah, exactly.
And then let's calculate the odds in this, because I took statistics and probability at MIT, I've seen it happen.
tim pool
could do this. So let me ask you, just everybody, is it common, uncommon, rare for lightning
thomas massie
to strike when it's a dry out? I've seen it happen. I was out changing the oil in my car
and the neighbor's barn got hit by lightning and it was sunny and it was about to storm
and his barn caught on fire and I got shocked from my car because I was touching it.
tim pool
So this was confirmed.
The radar, the local news weather outlets, tracked the lightning strike and reported it.
Then other people witnessed it and then reporters put the story together.
They're like, hey, this was a recorded lightning strike in this area.
People witnessed it.
So there's there's very few clouds in the sky.
The ground is dry.
Lightning strikes the side of a building.
The roof is undamaged.
Only the outer wall.
There's two layers of the bricks.
The inner wall is fine.
And only the part with George Floyd.
ian crossland
I tell you, I painted it with a metallic paint.
seamus coughlin
Also, well, I just want to say this.
I am glad that there were witness reports of lightning striking or else this would have been considered a hate
marjorie taylor greene
crime I mean, like I said, I'm a believer
I believe God does things.
And I believe that God could have caused the lightning to strike that and strike down that mural.
And the reason why is they worshipped George Floyd.
They worshipped him.
And I'm not going to judge him.
It's not my job to do that and talk about who he was or what he did as a man.
But they did.
They worshipped him.
They gave him a golden casket.
tim pool
Look at his crown.
Exactly.
This mural specifically gave George Floyd a crown.
So I didn't know that when the story first came out.
And when I was pulling up images of the mural before it was destroyed and saw that they put a crown on his head, I was like, okay, now that is even crazier.
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marjorie taylor greene
And maybe what we need to understand, and you talk about the number of times lightning
strikes and the number of George Floyd murals or statues or whatever, it may be more about
the people that created that mural and what was in their heart, and that may be what God
was trying to do.
tim pool
So I want to bring it back to the vaccines, obviously.
I think the blasphemy angle of this female performer's routine is interesting.
But I think it's interesting, too.
Here's a woman who goes up on stage.
She says, I'm septuple vaxxed, and then pass out and hits her head.
What do you guys think about this stuff?
You know, I mean, the establishment screaming at Joe about misinformation and all that stuff.
But I'm wondering, based off of your research, what your thoughts are on vaccine injury or anything like that.
marjorie taylor greene
You know what struck me about her video?
Two things.
The part I found most disturbing is how she graphically said, I'm still getting my period.
And that's a gift from God that make women so special and different is that we're able to have children.
And that's such a gift.
And she was bragging about that.
And then she also said, clearly Jesus loves me the most.
tim pool
Women were reporting problems with their periods from the vaccine.
marjorie taylor greene
No, I do know that, but it was something that...
It's vulgar.
Yeah, it was vulgar and it was gross and it was just disturbing.
But then her saying, Jesus loves me the most, and then all of a sudden something clearly
went wrong with her.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I just want to point out one irony here, though, which is that, I mean, I firmly believe that God holds the universe in existence at all times.
Everything that happens happens for a reason.
And she's saying Jesus loves me more in some blasphemous sense.
But I believe the reason that this happened, the reason God let it happen or made it happen, was for her own good so that she could see her own foolishness and possibly develop an authentic relationship with Jesus Christ.
unidentified
Yes, absolutely.
thomas massie
You know, every time you observe something yourself, they call it, they say, oh, that's an antidote.
unidentified
You, you, it's not valid.
thomas massie
You don't, you don't have, you don't have a thousand data points and it's not valid.
Well, it's real, it's a real important data point when you are the anecdote, right?
ian crossland
Yeah.
thomas massie
When you are that person.
And there was a point at which, with COVID, we heard about it on the news and then we all knew somebody who had COVID.
Right.
And then there was a point where we all had somebody in our family who had COVID and there were all these milestones.
But I think it's we passed a point that nobody really noticed, which is we all knew somebody who got injured.
tim pool
Yeah.
We all knew... A family friend in the hospital, ER.
thomas massie
Right.
At some point, we all knew somebody who got injured, and you can't ignore that.
ian crossland
Dude, I knew a guy that he came with COVID, he wasn't feeling well, so they panicked, they took him to the hospital, they put him on a fucking ventilator, destroyed his lungs, he went unconscious, they put him in a medically induced coma, and then they were talking about transplanting his lungs.
I think it's the ventilator!
Like, those things apparently destroy the body, it's a last resort.
thomas massie
I agree.
tim pool
Take a look at this.
This is a post on Reddit that's been circulated by a lot of people on the right.
This is a user who posted to r slash Fitbit on Reddit.
Fitbit of course tracks your health.
This user writes, This is my resting heart rate when standing.
What the fuck should I do?
My left wrist and hand has been throbbing every day since the first vaccine, and pain left side of chest since second.
I'm early 20s female.
Not Fitbit, but I don't know where to post.
142 BPM she says.
Now this is a random person.
This is not a viral, this is not a person with, you know, tons of followers.
Someone saw this post and started sharing it around.
Why is there this story?
Is it just one, is it an anecdote and it's irrelevant to the data?
Or should we be concerned that the early 20s female has a resting heart rate of 142 beats per minute, which is insanely fast.
marjorie taylor greene
Yes.
tim pool
After getting the vaccine and now she's swollen.
Apparently she went to the hospital and they said there are some issues.
marjorie taylor greene
I think we should be extremely concerned, and this goes back to the VAERS system.
It's the self-reporting system that's on the CDC website, and they refuse to acknowledge all of these reports that people have logged into the VAERS system about having vaccine injuries, reporting issues like this, all the way to all these deaths.
And, you know, I think it's criminal, absolutely criminal, for our government to completely ignore all of the people that have gone through the effort to report these things on VAERS, and they're ignoring all of their stories, they're ignoring things like this, and then they're still saying, take the vaccine, take the vaccine.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, it's unfortunate because they will argue that the likelihood of dying from the vaccine is still low enough that it makes more sense to get it, but if that is truly the case, then let people have the misinformation, or let people have the information.
Don't, uh, that was a Freudian slip, I'm trying to spread misinformation, but No, let people have the actual information.
So, after the COVID vaccine was released, vaccine deaths increased significantly.
In the first quarter of 2021 compared to the first quarter of 2020, vaccine-related deaths increased 6,000%.
So, what they will argue is that, and there's a beautiful irony here, they will argue that we can't really trust this data all that much because someone who gets the vaccine but dies of something else is counted as a vaccine death.
Which is exactly how they measure COVID deaths.
That's how they measure COVID deaths.
marjorie taylor greene
When we take back the House, though, in 2022, when we take back the House, I'm going to tell you that Bears system and all those deaths is going to be one of the things that I'm going to be demanding our Republican-controlled majority in Congress investigate because those people deserve their stories investigated.
seamus coughlin
Beautiful.
thomas massie
Let me tell you something else that absolutely has to be investigated is the FDA approval scam.
We're on August 23rd, the FDA announced that they had approved Comirnaty.
As far as I know, there's not been a single dose of this administered in the United States.
On 8-24, one day later, after FDA approval came for Comirnaty, the Secretary of Defense mandated it for the soldiers, for
everybody in the military, based on, and he says based on the FDA approval. Then when
the soldiers are forced to take the vaccine, they are told that if you read the fine print,
what you see is the mandate is based on FDA approval, but because the FDA approved vaccine does not
exist, the only way we can satisfy this mandate is for you to take the non-FDA approved.
tim pool
It's in Europe.
You can get Community in Europe.
thomas massie
But that's not FDA approved here.
It's not like you could sneak that over here and then that would magically be... It's a named comornity in Europe.
tim pool
I gotta tell you, this is why I say civil war, because there are deeply evil people who are pulling strings.
It's an intentional act.
The things we see in the media with the lies, the things we see with that, that is an overt action, an intentional act to cause harm to people.
thomas massie
There has to be documentation somewhere.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, one thing they'll often do is they'll try to say something like, well, you know, far more people have died of COVID than have died of the vaccine.
And sure, that's absolutely true.
However, When you look at the individual situations, that doesn't map on as a one-to-one comparison.
So if you are a healthy young person who has had COVID in the past and has natural immunity, and there's no evidence that the vaccine will significantly increase the natural immunity that you already have, why should you get a vaccine which increased total vaccine death rates by 6,000% after it was released?
What is the justification for that?
What is the reason for doing that?
ian crossland
There may be other vaccines involved with that uptick.
We don't know.
That's true, but... It's almost tongue-in-cheek for me to say that, but I got to say that because it's real.
marjorie taylor greene
It's conceivable, but based on the history where it was so low with all these other vaccines and all of a sudden the sudden spike, it just doesn't make sense.
seamus coughlin
When there's this new vaccine that was rushed through very quickly, made more quickly than any vaccine.
tim pool
The other vaccines aren't also universal max vaccination programs.
marjorie taylor greene
And they're not mRNA vaccines.
seamus coughlin
That's also true.
marjorie taylor greene
Let's give credit to Dr. Robert Malone, who invented the mRNA vaccine.
And he's saying, do not take these.
He's saying they're not safe.
And he created that technology.
tim pool
He got it.
Yeah.
I thought his episode of Rogan was actually reasonable.
There were some things that the Right believes he pushed back on.
There was a lot the Establishment believes he pushed back on.
But you know what?
Any truth teller is a threat to the Established Order.
unidentified
Exactly.
ian crossland
We were, before the show, Thomas, you and I were talking about epinephrine, which is anaphylactic shock.
If someone goes into shock, they take the epi pen.
It's an adrenaline Yeah, so it was like $0.25 for epinephrine to get one, but then this new patent came out and they created a new version of it and they called it EpiPen.
And then they charged $400 a piece for it instead of $0.25.
And what was the reasoning?
That we can't just spin up a new epinephrine?
thomas massie
Well, I mean, the first EpiPen, you know, existed for a long time, and it cost a lot of money, more than the 25 cents of epinephrine that was in it.
But when the patent expired, they invented a new EpiPen.
And then a lot of people blame the patent system for why an EpiPen costs $400, but that's
not why.
It's because it's hard to get the old one.
marjorie taylor greene
But explain the patents.
All of these medications and pharmaceutical companies get patents on these medications.
tim pool
Just real quick, the reason the EpiPen costs $400, I think you guys are missing this very
important point, to be fair, is that they got you by the balls.
unidentified
You're gonna die if you don't get it, so you'll pay anything, won't you?
thomas massie
And there's only one person making it.
As soon as two people make it and they're in competition, then you find out what the cost to them is to make it.
But the reason there's not two people or a lot of people making it is not because the patent The patent expired on the original EpiPen.
Tim and I could start a company and make it if we could get FDA approval for the old one.
ian crossland
Do you think they literally will just railroad people?
They'll be like, we will see you when we see you.
What's next?
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait.
What if we made EpiPens not for human use?
And you put big black do not use for humans.
This product is identical to the EpiPen in every way but it's not a prescription.
unidentified
That's the solution to everything.
Raw milk, put pet food on it.
tim pool
We bought from the farm and I said you guys sell raw milk and they were like only for pets.
Yeah.
And I was like, and so they, they, they pull out these bottles and it says pet milk.
It's like a goat on it.
And I was like, so this is raw milk, right?
unidentified
Like, yep.
tim pool
And I'm like, and it's the same raw milk you'd get anywhere else.
Yep.
But you're selling it and saying, I shouldn't drink it.
That's right.
But it's the same raw milk I'd get anywhere else.
That's correct.
thomas massie
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay.
And then a guy like the lady goes, there's some guy, he just buys it and drinks it right here on the spot.
We tell him not to do it, but he does it anyway.
marjorie taylor greene
And it's not their fault.
tim pool
Right.
thomas massie
By the way, and now people will distort what we're saying and saying that you should take animal versions of medication.
seamus coughlin
Like the horse dewormer!
tim pool
They said that about me when they said it about Joe Roach.
Because we got sick in end of October.
I called the hospital.
They said, fuck off.
They were like, go home and go to sleep.
I called Joe to ask him, what did they say to you and what did they recommend?
And he was like, you've got to find a good doctor.
Call a private practice.
We called the doctor.
We ended up getting everything.
The kitchen sink, same treatment.
We got steroids for inflammation.
We got inhalers.
We got ivermectin.
And then, of course, the Daily Beast ran a story claiming it was really, really well-crafted.
They said, meet the new poster boy of horse dewormer or something like that with my picture because I explicitly said I did not want it.
I don't want to take it.
So they wanted to smear me as taking horse dewormer, but I explicitly stated in my video, I told the doctor, no, I don't want ivermectin.
It's not FDA approved.
And the doctor insisted.
So they couldn't claim I advocated for it.
So they just called me the poster boy for it.
ian crossland
That's kind of cool.
So as a salesman, if I let people know, just so you know, the FDA has said this is not for human consumption, and then it's just kind of up to you.
unidentified
We live in a free size society.
tim pool
You can take ivermectin.
So they sell ivermectin at Rural king.
Yeah, or tractor supply.
And it says not for human consumption.
marjorie taylor greene
Or Mexico.
Or other foreign countries.
tim pool
So if you made an EpiPen with the old patent, sold it for a dollar, and put on it, not for human use, I mean, theoretically, you could argue, is your dog stung by a bee?
Well, give your dog the EpiPen.
This EpiPen has the same amount of adrenaline used for a human whose weight is 150 pounds or whatever.
thomas massie
By the way, in defense of this strategy, the CEO of Pfizer is a veterinarian.
unidentified
That's right.
thomas massie
From Greece.
unidentified
Well then!
marjorie taylor greene
From Greece.
ian crossland
He has been treating us like animals.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
marjorie taylor greene
That's a true story.
Well, kind of like animals they experiment on, right?
I mean those poor little beagles.
Let's not forget about those.
tim pool
Could we actually do that?
marjorie taylor greene
Horrible.
tim pool
Could we actually make a pet EpiPen?
And it says not for human use.
marjorie taylor greene
I'm sure there's pet EpiPens that exist.
I would guess.
ian crossland
That's pretty cool.
marjorie taylor greene
So it doesn't require... All these headlines are going to be awesome.
It doesn't require... Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massey advocate for use of animal epipens.
thomas massie
They're still like... FDA and EPA, they still get involved.
marjorie taylor greene
Oh, we're looking them up.
Okay, what do we have here?
unidentified
No, I don't know if they sell them.
thomas massie
That means there's a market.
tim pool
Shouldn't the leftists be on our side on this one?
Overpriced EpiPens were being ripped off.
I thought they were for cheap EpiPens.
ian crossland
Yeah, they are.
That's something everybody can get down with is cheap medicine, man.
unidentified
Yeah, absolutely.
marjorie taylor greene
Cheap medicine.
Okay, so let's talk about that.
People with diabetes, they desperately need their insulin, right?
So a vial of insulin is around $250 per vial.
A lot of diabetics need at least two vials on average per month.
But, so look at how much they're spending.
They're spending at least $500 or more per month on their medication.
Type 1 diabetics, they usually get it when they're a child.
They have diabetes for life.
Over the lifetime of an American with diabetes, they're spending so much money.
It is way too expensive.
Here's the real truth, though.
If you go to other countries, you can walk in.
Take Greece, for example.
I think Greece is the country that I read the story on.
You can walk into a pharmacy, buy insulin without a prescription, and it is so much cheaper, so much more affordable.
And here we are in America having to pay so much money for insulin.
thomas massie
That's a function of the regulatory scheme.
It's not because of patents.
The patent long ran out on insulin.
Right.
It's a new formulation that may be patented.
marjorie taylor greene
It's the new formulation that's patented.
tim pool
I have good news for you guys.
Uh, you don't have to worry about the hit pieces.
It's actually that people buy human epinephrine for their dogs, not the other way around.
So if you have a dog and the price of EpiPens goes up, you have to buy human EpiPens for your dog.
So there is no dog version.
thomas massie
But there is a horse version.
So I talked to a veterinarian, Ted Yoho.
I served in Congress with him.
And he said, when somebody calls me and their horse needs epinephrine, he says, I take a vial and I take a syringe.
tim pool
It's 35 bucks!
thomas massie
How many shots is that though?
tim pool
It's 50 milliliters.
thomas massie
Right.
And so you only need a fraction of that to treat your horse.
What he explained to me is the syringe costs $1.50 and the amount of epinephrine was about 25 cents.
marjorie taylor greene
Can you imagine this?
thomas massie
As a veterinarian.
tim pool
0.3 milligrams of epinephrine costs $500.
Holy shit!
It's .6 with two injectors.
marjorie taylor greene
So for people that have severe allergies and they have to buy this, they have to buy these EpiPens that they're spending that much money.
But here you can buy this right here for cattle, horse, sheep, and swine.
tim pool
And it's a bottle.
You'll need a syringe but it's $32.99.
marjorie taylor greene
It's $32.99 for six?
unidentified
So these five... 50 milliliters. Oh no no no no no no no.
tim pool
If you buy six of them each of them is 30.
thomas massie
But how many doses are in that? You got to look. There's far more doses in that than there are in
tim pool
an EpiPen. We'd have to do milligrams conversion to milliliters.
Okay. So there's 50 milliliters in one of these bottles and the EpiPen I looked at had 0.3
milligrams of epinephrine.
marjorie taylor greene
0.3.
I'm about to load it.
ian crossland
Tell a funny story in the meantime.
thomas massie
You would only need to know the density.
And then the concentration, you know, the milliliters.
ian crossland
That's a 1 to 5,000 concentration, I think it was.
marjorie taylor greene
This is where a real science degree from MIT comes in handy.
ian crossland
I think that sheep one had a 1 to 5,000 ratio, is that right?
marjorie taylor greene
It's not a political science degree, I will add.
tim pool
So 0.2 milligrams is 0.0002 milliliters.
Holy shit.
So wait, wait, wait.
Hold on a minute.
marjorie taylor greene
Don't you think most Americans, if they really understood how the government fucks them over constantly, they would not tolerate this anymore?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Especially if they're hungry.
If they're fasting and their mind is clear, they would immediately make a move and change the government.
marjorie taylor greene
Well, Ian, actually... It's so out of control.
seamus coughlin
I think there's something to that.
I think there's really something to that.
People are far more likely to fight for what's true and good if they deny themselves things.
And so, yeah, fasting is very important.
I think you're right.
I think part of the reason... Self-sacrifice.
Because I think even when people do know how horrible the government is and how it's screwing them over, We've just gotten so complacent and lazy and pleasure-seeking, so we don't try to improve things.
tim pool
50 milliliters of water is 50,000 milligrams.
Okay, so if that holds true for this bottle you could buy for $35, and it is 50 milliliters, Then, I think that's, now divide it by a thousand, because I think that's one part pour per thousand parts of water.
thomas massie
Correct.
marjorie taylor greene
I'm going to let you guys figure this out.
I did say gazpacho instead of pistachio.
tim pool
No, no, no, so hold on.
It's actually quite simple.
If 50 milliliters is 50... We all have those moments.
marjorie taylor greene
Yeah, I know, the media's loving it.
I think it was trending a long time on Twitter tonight.
tim pool
If 50 milliliters is 50,000 milligrams, and this is one per 1,000, that means this bottle is the equivalent of 50 milligrams of epinephrine.
ian crossland
Yes, it is.
tim pool
That means you are looking at, what, 150 times, or what's 0.3 milligrams in an EpiPen?
thomas massie
What you're going to get to is $0.25 per human dose.
Because a veterinarian, Ted Yoho, told me this and he says, I got more in the syringe
than I do the epinephrine.
I got like a buck fifty in the syringe and 25 cents in the epinephrine.
When I treat a horse and now you know, but it's a house call so you got to charge him like a hundred bucks.
He's going to show up and give it to him.
All I'm saying, the differential there, Tim, is regulation.
It's not a patent.
It's regulation.
ian crossland
The FDA is saying, we're going to make you go through a very, very expensive and long process where you spend a lot of money.
And then so they're like, okay, we're going to charge 500 bucks.
And then, so are they paying the FDA this whole time?
So that 500 bucks is actually the government extorting the people.
marjorie taylor greene
So this is where lobbyists come in.
So lobbyists work for big pharmaceutical companies, and they come to people like Thomas and I
and work very hard to get us to pass certain bills in Congress.
And then, you know, what happens in the FDA?
Well, these people, they don't have to run for re-election like we do.
These people have these jobs for a very long time.
What incentive do those people in the FDA have to make sure that they have these regulations in place
so that only certain pharmaceutical companies truly financially benefit
by being able to charge this much money for human, you know, EpiPens?
tim pool
It says here on this website that one milliliter per 100 pounds.
So if that holds true, the same as horses as it does for humans.
thomas massie
Yeah, there you go.
tim pool
It's actually quite simple that you've got 50, you've got maybe about 40 to 50 doses, maybe 35 doses for 35 bucks.
marjorie taylor greene
Versus one and one EpiPen.
tim pool
Versus $500 for one dose and one EpiPen.
thomas massie
Dollar a dose, but you're not in a veterinary and you're buying it on the internet.
So if you're a vet, you're down 25 cents.
marjorie taylor greene
Okay, and anyone criticizing us right now would say, but is it safe for humans?
You know, that would be the argument.
unidentified
It's the same chemical compound.
seamus coughlin
You guys are telling people to take horse medicine, right?
tim pool
It says for animal use only.
unidentified
Oh, yep, yep.
tim pool
No, no, absolutely.
I'm an animal.
thomas massie
By the way, the CEO of Pfizer is qualified to administer this to animals.
unidentified
That's correct.
tim pool
I will say, I will say, as I always do, You can't take horse medicine and you gotta go talk to a doctor.
marjorie taylor greene
You can't even make this up.
The CEO of Pfizer is a veterinarian from Greece.
seamus coughlin
Wait, what?
thomas massie
Yes, he's a vet.
unidentified
I did not know that.
marjorie taylor greene
Do not question him.
He's the CEO of Pfizer.
seamus coughlin
This is who the science is?
marjorie taylor greene
He's a veterinarian.
thomas massie
The whole time they're making fun of people.
seamus coughlin
I thought he was a veteran.
unidentified
That's my East Kentucky accent.
ian crossland
Yeah, because he could have stepped up and said, hey, by the way, it's not horse medicine, it's medicine that's in the state that's going to be fed to a horse, but it's just medicine, guys.
I'm a vet.
seamus coughlin
well but also it's so funny about this right is they were accusing joe rogan of
time people to take horse the warmer even though he took the version of
ivermectin that is packaged for humans to consume that would genuinely be like if someone took up an effort
from an epi pen and people said well that's horse medicine as well i found this
tim pool
and i for that's why it's packaged for animals that's why i said brian stelter
drinks engine coolant he does he actually does yeah because water is used
to cool engines and he drinks it yeah i don't know what he has a sense like
marjorie taylor greene
actual i would not stop it the ceo of spotify says you cannot say certain oh
unidentified
my gosh is he a veteran too is he a veteran as well
marjorie taylor greene
You mean a veteran or a veterinarian?
seamus coughlin
A veterinarian, I'm sorry.
tim pool
I don't know, are you like me?
unidentified
I meant Gestapo, Gestapo, Gazpacho.
seamus coughlin
We understand each other.
marjorie taylor greene
Home suit versus communist police force.
I mean, what is it really?
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
You're saying veterinarian.
I thought you said veteran-arian.
unidentified
Oh!
Or that.
seamus coughlin
Veteran-arian!
tim pool
Nah, I gotta be honest.
If the guy's a fuckin' Nazi, I wouldn't be surprised.
How much you wanna bet Spotify does kick this episode off?
marjorie taylor greene
Is it on Spotify?
tim pool
This one will be on Spotify, yeah.
marjorie taylor greene
Oh, you're in trouble, man.
ian crossland
I don't give a shit.
marjorie taylor greene
Good for you.
Don't apologize.
tim pool
No, I wouldn't.
And Adam Carolla said the same thing.
He said, go fuck yourselves.
I'm not apologizing.
He said, I'm not going to apologize to you assholes.
seamus coughlin
That's what he says when he actually does something wrong to me.
marjorie taylor greene
Maybe we can keep working and get you a $100 million contract from Rumble.
ian crossland
I think we already offered that pretty much.
tim pool
We weren't offered $100 million.
ian crossland
It was pretty close.
I don't know.
tim pool
The problem is Rumble... I don't want to say too much about... We had Rumble, the CEO, on the show.
And it's really simple.
I just think...
They're not willing to pay what the show, what our show, is totally worth.
And so they're like, you know, we'll make you an offer.
And I'm like, we make more than that.
So it's like... I had a question.
ian crossland
How do you guys, like, um, handle your egos in Congress?
Like, I'm talking about apologizing if you've done something wrong, or when people tell you how great you are all the time and you start to believe it, or when people tell you how shitty you are all the time and you start to believe it.
Like, how do you, what do you do to handle that?
marjorie taylor greene
I've apologized before.
I don't have a problem with apologizing when I think I should or maybe I've done something wrong and I should apologize.
I think that's part of human relationships and so that's okay.
So I had to apologize for, you know, in the beginning for posting things on Facebook that I probably shouldn't have or reading and talking about so-called conspiracy theories that we now know are truly conspiracy theories and they were obvious to me way earlier, way before I ever got elected, and people like
to pretend that I actually ran for Congress on these crazy things when I didn't at all. But no,
I don't think there's anything wrong with apologizing, but it's caving to the mob. You never
cave to the mob. You never cave. And that's the most important thing we have to do is stand up to the
thomas massie
mob. Do you want to? There's two times you're the smartest person in the world, when you turn 18
and when you get elected to Congress.
tim pool
That's a good one.
thomas massie
And people start to believe they're really smart because they have to vote on all these things, but they're not.
And people do lose their tempers like one-on-one on the floor.
I've never seen anybody hit anybody but it's almost come to that and people have called each other names and typically if that happens they apologize within two or three days because they realize there's only 435 here.
I say it's like an aquarium.
marjorie taylor greene
They're not always there.
tim pool
Well, hopefully it doesn't break down into a caning anytime soon.
We don't go in that direction, but we have gone overtime.
So, guys, it's been absolutely incredible having you.
It's been an honor and a privilege.
Thanks so much for coming.
We'd love to have you back.
marjorie taylor greene
Oh, I'd love to come back.
Thank you.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
And we'll bring some other people and we'll mix it up like we did.
ian crossland
I want to go to your farm someday.
tim pool
Yes, come to my farm.
marjorie taylor greene
A field trip.
tim pool
We'd like a Quartz Capacitor, so we'll figure it out.
thomas massie
You'll see chickens and ducks and cattle and dogs that don't need walked.
They walk themselves.
unidentified
Right on.
thomas massie
But I want to thank Marjorie for bringing me here.
She's like my Sherpa.
Bringing me out here.
marjorie taylor greene
Well, thank you for coming.
thomas massie
And thanks for having us, Tim.
tim pool
Absolutely, absolutely.
It would be great to have you guys back with some other people and do different conversations, but we'll get that sorted in the future.
And for everybody who's a member, thank you so much for making all of this possible.
Seriously, membership is what primarily funds everything we do, and we are all eternally grateful for your support.
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