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Dec. 15, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Jan 6 Committee Accidentally DISPROVES Trump Insurrection Narrative w/Jordan Schachtel
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ian crossland
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luke rudkowski
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tim pool
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lydia smith
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tim pool
The January 6th committee is the stupidest crackpot garbage I've ever seen in my life.
These people are despicable.
I view them all as unrepentantly evil scumbags, the embodiment of everything wrong with Congress and our federal government.
And they have released text messages from Trump's inner circle.
And I guess, I don't know what their point was, but they just basically disproved the whole insurrection narrative.
They released text messages showing that high-profile conservative personalities, Donald Trump Jr.
himself, tons of members of Congress were texting Mark Meadows, chief of staff at the
time for Donald Trump, saying, tell him to condemn this.
We have to act.
It's bad.
Shut it down.
And then Trump did speak out and condemn it and they still got mad at him.
So if the narrative is that Trump was trying to stage a conspiracy or insurrection when quite literally all the evidence is pointing to these people saying please stop this, they've accidentally disproved their own stupid narrative.
But they're still going for it because now they're like yeah well Laura Ingraham said this is really bad for us and then claimed it was Antifa and it's like...
Yeah, you can still claim a riot is bad for you, or just bad in general, and still think there was Antifa there.
At least one of the guys who was there was apparently some Antifa-affiliated guy, but I think the narrative that Antifa was leading the charge is just not correct.
That being said, their narrative is stupid.
But we'll talk about that.
We got a couple other big stories, too.
Inflation is alarming, to say the least.
The producer price index, I think it's called, is up nearly 10%.
So this is like the cost of goods for wholesalers.
This is the fastest growth on record.
This is...
I don't know.
I call it apocalyptic because what we're hearing across the, you know, over the Pacific is that this could trigger a global economic collapse.
Not just this, but also the fact the consumer price index is massively high.
Food prices are higher than they've been in decades, and there's no sign that it's going to get better.
And then we got Elon Musk.
He's currently tweeting at Senator Warren, insulting her.
It's really funny, and we'll talk about that too.
Joining us today is Jordan Schachtel.
How's it going, man?
Do you want to introduce yourself?
unidentified
Yeah, hey.
tim pool
You can pull that mic up and straighten it out.
unidentified
Tim, thanks so much for having me on.
I don't know if anyone knows, there's like a mythology surrounding this place.
So whenever a new guest enters, we start to talk to our buddies about what it was like.
And it's definitely living up to the hype.
I saw the skate park.
I'm an independent journalist.
I run the dossier on Substack right now.
I've been doing it for about a year.
It's going great.
My background is in foreign policy, but I've been covering COVID mania for now the last two years or so.
And there's some very interesting developments that we're going to talk about today.
I really appreciate you guys bringing me in.
tim pool
Cool, man.
Thanks for coming.
luke rudkowski
Wait until you find out about the initiation rituals that are going to happen afterwards.
But that's another story.
Hey, guys, I do believe it's very important to take their own language and to use it against them.
And that's why I created this shirt that says Freedom Superspreader, which you could exclusively exclusively get on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
And because you do, I'm here.
So thanks for having me.
I'm excited for this conversation.
ian crossland
What's up, everybody?
Ian Crosland over here.
Happy to be here.
IanCrosland.net.
Check it out.
lydia smith
And I'm also here in the corner pushing buttons, which is my favorite job in the world.
I'm happy to be here with Jordan, who came up from Florida, right?
unidentified
Yeah, South Florida.
tim pool
And everybody's in Florida.
unidentified
In the Miami region.
lydia smith
I'm sorry to bring you up to our swampland, but I'm glad you're here.
unidentified
I lived here for six years.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, that's right.
You were near DC.
tim pool
Isn't South Florida literally swampland?
unidentified
The Everglades.
So if you go a little west, it's a giant swamp filled with terrifying gators.
That's crazy.
tim pool
It's massive, too.
I lived right next to it.
I lived in the Redlands.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, for about a year.
And Miami's absolutely amazing.
But the weather is just apocalyptically bad.
Perfect, but we'll get in all that stuff.
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tim pool
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ian crossland
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ian crossland
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You know, when I first saw this this morning, the story about them leaking text messages, I got really angry, because I am disgusted by these establishment shills, these disgusting, vile creatures of Congress.
They are cannibalistic, humanoid, underground dwellers who have lurched up from the underground, crawled into Congress, And we just sit back and we're like, yeah, I guess we'll keep voting for these people.
But hopefully now people are waking up and they will vote out all of these people, especially people like Liz Cheney.
In the story from The Independent, Donald Trump Jr.
sent desperate texts to Mark Meadows during Capitol Riot, urging Trump to take action.
He has to lead now.
Revelation of texts come as committee votes to support contempt of Congress charge for former chief of staff.
Did I say these people are absolutely vile and disgusting?
Because I'll just keep saying it.
Now, That being said, the release of these texts?
Donald Trump Jr.
was urging Mark Meadows to get his dad to condemn the riot at the Capitol?
Sounds like they did not want it to happen.
Sounds like all of these people in Trump's inner circle were like, yo, stop this.
And then Trump came out and issued a statement saying that it was wrong and to go home, go home peacefully.
So they just effectively debunked their whole narrative.
If that's the case, why should any of this continue?
unidentified
Total clown show.
I mean, in a moral civilization, a moral America, Liz Cheney would be shunned from society.
I see her picture on the screen there.
As a foreign policy guy, I can tell you all the wars she supported, all the military armament for the military-industrial complex, for all of these special interests.
Liz Cheney has the worst of the worst record and the idea that she's like playing along, it shows that there's really, there's two parties in America.
There's the Uniparty represented by Liz Cheney.
She is a member in good standing.
Unfortunately, most of the establishment Republicans and people in charge are also part of that Uniparty.
And then you have Nancy Pelosi.
And this January 6th committee is utterly, utterly ridiculous.
And the fact that she's like, supposed to be like the Republican side, making it authentic, it's absurd.
tim pool
They're like bipartisan support for, you know, Contempt of Congress or whatever.
luke rudkowski
The text messages don't really prove an insurrection.
More about everyone kind of panicking, be like, this is bad, this is bad, this is bad.
So it's just absurd to see them still complaining because this obviously disproves everything that they were talking about.
They claim that this was orchestrated.
This was all planned.
They try to take, obviously through the text messages, this is not true.
We're also learning today that a DC that the DC Attorney ... General is going to be going to be suing the Proud Boys and ... Oath Keepers because of the January 6th attack so to me this ... is all about just the total dominance of political power ... in the establishment to keep it with themselves and to make sure.
Of course Trump doesn't have any political power going ... forward in the next election there's also going to be local ... elections and I think they're just kind of fishing for ... whatever they could get so they could hit the other side ... the other side isn't just as good again it's all about power ... it's all about authority and they're trying to consolidate ... as much of it as they can and it's absolutely authoritarian ... than it is investigative at all if we're going to investigate ...
Why not get the text messages of, you know, Mr. Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell?
Let's release that to the general public, or the videos or the footage that the FBI is holding to themselves.
I would want to know that.
I don't care what these people are doing, freaking out.
tim pool
You know the worst, I think the worst person in Congress probably is probably Mitch McConnell.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
And then the reason I say that over like Nancy Pelosi or whatever, It's like Nancy Pelosi's overt, you know?
What is it saying?
The better the devil you know?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Like when Nancy Pelosi comes out and she's like, and her teeth are falling out and she rips up Trump's speech, I'm like, I can see the disdain.
I can see the vile behavior.
Mitch McConnell just like sticks his head in his shell and then does nothing.
But people vote for him, and then you expect to get some kind of resistance with what the Democrats are doing, but he's effectively standing in the way of regular Americans as the Democrats, you know, go and do their crackpot garbage.
I don't remember who said this, but they said that the Republicans are the Washington generals to the Democrats' Harlem Globetrotters.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely.
And it's all faked, it's all rigged, it's all like world wrestling entertainment.
I tweeted a photo today of Mitch McConnell elbow-bumping Nancy Pelosi.
And the caption read, if effing the poor people was a handshake, this would be it.
And that's absolutely what they're doing.
They're screwing over hard-working average Americans who are just trying to live their lives, and they're playing this theater, this show, to try to convince you that the other side is the lesser of two evils.
Meanwhile, they're working together in collusion.
They're two heads of the same snake, and they are a den of vipers.
They are sinister, Reptilian-like beings that are cold-blooded and don't give a damn about you or your friends or your family or the future of this country.
They're selling this country to the highest bidder and you're getting screwed.
tim pool
That's all figurative.
ian crossland
Do you think it's the people or the positions that turn the people into those things?
luke rudkowski
I think it's a combination of both and it also depends on the individual.
For example, Henry Kissinger, I think he's a corrupt, personal, sociopathic, crazy person that just thrives off of creating policies that create human misery for the benefit of his friends.
That's my personal perspective and opinion.
Other people I believe were entangled in the system came into the system and they were told fix the system from the inside make it better you could fix it just by being a part of it but you just have to sell out on this small issue and then this small issue and then this small issue and then they get them hanging out with Mr. Epstein they get the videotapes of them and then Bada bing, bada boom, they got them in their pockets, a part of the larger extortion operation.
And now they're coming to them saying, hey, we need this unpopular bill passed that's going to screw over your constituency.
You're going to have to pass it or we're going to release the dirt that we have on you.
And that's essentially Washington, D.C.
politics that we're seeing unfold right now and a part of why so many unpopular policies get passed.
That's one example of it.
The other is just sociopathic individuals.
The most amount of sociopaths are located per capita in Washington, D.C.
for a specific reason.
tim pool
What's that part of the brain where they say that sociopaths have like an underdeveloped or small one?
The amygdala?
Is it the amygdala?
I wonder if we could do like, is there like a cat scan or MRI you can do on like members of Congress to make sure and be like, hey, look at that.
They're all psycho.
luke rudkowski
And drug test them.
I want drug tests on all members of Congress.
All right.
I want term limits.
I want all the restrictions they put on the general public put on them.
unidentified
But who votes on that?
That's the problem, is that they need to vote for restrictions on themselves.
tim pool
Yeah, they're not going to do it.
Of course.
You know, it's like, this would actually be like a great sketch.
It's like you get some principled politician, maybe like a Rand Paul or something, and he's like, I've got a new bill that says, you know, we're all going to have to undergo drug testing and anything we pass to the American people, and then you'll get like a bunch of politicians.
That sounds really, really good.
And so we're going to vote on this bill, Rand Paul.
It's a bill to give us a raise.
Thanks, Rand Paul, for your time.
All in favor of giving us a raise?
And they all raise their hands.
luke rudkowski
And then Rand is just sitting there going like, oh, well, some people argue that they should be given a raise so they won't be tools for the multinational corporations that buy them out.
I think, you know, the best example, I think George Carlin was the one advocating for this.
Put advertisements on their suits for whoever endorses them and gives them money, which they have to wear everywhere they go.
I think that's more of an honest perspective.
tim pool
It's a funny idea, but these companies will be like, they'll have dinner with the guy and be like, look, you know, here's a, here's a hundred dollar plate, you know, on K street.
Hope you enjoy the steak.
We need you to pass this bill because it's going to be really great for the production of our thing, you know, our, our product.
And then maybe a half a, half a million dollars might find its way towards your super pack.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
unidentified
That's how it's done.
You can have a lobbyist go and meet with Nancy Pelosi.
Somehow she ends up worth hundreds of millions of dollars on a congressional salary.
Congress is allowed to inside trade as long as there's like a little bit of room between them and their broker.
I mean the system that's set up is utterly absurd.
They're abusing it.
It's so ridiculous.
It's such a farce.
They're all taking part of it.
I don't know if you saw there was a news report today that all these congressmen and senators are trading inside information on pharmaceutical companies and they're just like kind of allowed to do it for some reason because they're again they're the ones that make the rules so they're never gonna impose a limit on themselves unless there's like a giant national movement that says enough is enough.
tim pool
I got it.
I got it.
You know, I'm thinking about what would Ron Paul do?
And he's always talking about competition.
I say we create a second Congress to compete with the other Congress and they pass rules on each other.
ian crossland
Maybe another country to compete with this.
We need more competition in this country.
tim pool
But the only way that would work is if there was free movement between the other country and people could choose to live there instead, which is actually true for a lot of countries and nobody wants to go live there.
Organized competition, you know Americans.
I mean you can move to a lot of places and they'll welcome you and you don't got to do anything You just live there.
I know people who just moved to Mexico and Mexico is like awesome.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, great Yeah, and there's a lot of expats all over Latin America who are taking advantage of a lot of freedoms that they're granted And also a lot of health care that usually is a lot better and a lot cheaper than it is here in the United States especially in major urban areas, so there is a huge movement of of expats people expatriating even to Puerto Rico because
unidentified
of ...
luke rudkowski
the the tax liability that they're able to get away with ...
down in Puerto Rico rather than of course in the United ...
States so there's there's been a huge movement of this and I ...
think it's it's only going to be kind of exacerbated ...
especially with countries like Mexico saying hey this this ...
mandate stuff is absolute nonsense we don't believe in ...
punishing our population we don't believe in locking down ...
actually doing the right thing and I think that Mexico has ...
A kind of clear headed approach towards this madness that we're dealing with but but back to this kind of hyper politicization January 6th committee meeting this is a sign of just again the political parties at odds with each other using dirty tricks abusing authority because the Democrats as we talked about on the show before their literal stance on everything is like hey we're not Donald Trump.
That's not a stance.
That's not helping anyone.
That's not doing anything.
That's them complaining about somebody, which is ridiculous.
tim pool
It's not Democrat-Republican.
It's like you were saying, Jordan, Uniparty versus like populist, I guess.
luke rudkowski
Statist versus people who believe in freedom.
And I think there's a whole bunch of statists.
And I think that should be the true kind of political spectrum that we should be dealing with and talking about rather than left and right.
tim pool
But one of the issues, I suppose, is that the progressives are typically, like, the populists left in this country aligns themselves more with the Uniparty.
So with the Republicans, you have, you got some crazy Republicans, you got some weirdos, but the right-wing populists dominate the Republican Party right now.
The left-wing populists are on the ground begging for scraps.
And so what they do is they, you know, they beg Hillary Clinton for the endorsement, they beg Joe Biden, and then Joe Biden's like, I'm gonna forgive student loan debt if you vote for me!
And then all the leftists and all the progressives are like, yes, vote for Biden!
And then Biden's like, heh, you dumbass, I'm not forgiving anything!
And now the latest news is Joe Biden says he's not going to forgive any... We try to tell these young people, idealistic, starry-eyed, Joe Biden is not the man you think he is, but they vote for him anyway.
They support the establishment.
They like to defend massive multinational corporations and then act like they're the progressives.
I got to tell you this, the weirdest thing to me is that All of us here, I'm assuming you Jordan, I don't know your politics on free speech and stuff, but I think we're all to the left of Hassan Piker and Vaush when it comes to social media and big tech and corporate influences.
Which brings me to that story specifically.
We have this story.
From tipcast.com, popular Twitch streamers Hasan Piker and Vosh banned from platform for racism against white people.
Literally.
Now, I'm actually going to... I've got some criticism for... First, I've got criticism for Hasan, absolutely.
But I've got criticism and some defense for Vosh.
Vosh, I don't think cared at all, overtly stated he was going to say the racial slur, laughed, got banned, and laughed again.
So my attitude towards Vosh is, if you publicly say, these companies are private companies, they can ban whoever they want, and if you use a slur you'll get banned, and then you literally go on the channel laughing saying you're gonna do it, I'm like, yeah.
Like, you're just trolling.
Like, he knew he was gonna get banned.
It's not hypocritical.
I just think he shouldn't be saying the racial slurs, and I think he has bad ideas on, you know, massive multinational corporations.
But I'm not gonna say it's hypocritical for him to be laughing about it.
Now, Hasan is the guy who actually puts out videos where he says that people on the right should follow the rules, and they just want to make their own right-wing echo chamber and own the libs, but because they break the rules, they get banned.
Well, he literally went on his channel and said that he's allowed to say racial slurs, particularly if they're against white people.
And now he's gotten a ban for it.
The important thing here is Twitch bans are not bans.
They're like, they'll reinstate you at some point.
So they don't call it suspension or whatever.
It's the weirdest thing.
They're like, I got banned for this and then, but they reinstate you tomorrow.
It's not really a ban.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, they're gonna be back, I think, in a very short time, especially with their user base, whatever they have, saying, hey, please get these people back on this platform.
But I still don't understand why people have to describe other people as salty, delicious snacks.
I don't get it.
tim pool
What is that reference to?
unidentified
Oh, oh, oh!
luke rudkowski
Delicious!
tim pool
Luke's a big fan of Cracker Barrel.
It's his favorite restaurant.
luke rudkowski
I absolutely love Cracker Barrel.
tim pool
So, um, anyway, I think you know what word was used.
And, uh, no, I'm pretty sure on YouTube you're allowed to say cracker and Karen and all that stuff.
Because, uh, YouTube agrees with Hasan in the context.
Twitch apparently doesn't, which is weird.
Now, I will say, though, I don't think you can call someone a cracker.
What happened was, I think Hasan directly said, you are an effing B.A., you know.
There you go.
ian crossland
In general, you want to avoid calling people names on social media.
That draws the ire of admins.
Even if it's a nice word, if you use it as a name-calling tactic.
tim pool
But here's the craziest thing to me.
When it comes to the idea of left or right in terms of the economic sense, Vaush and Hassan, and I normally don't like to talk about other internet personalities, but this is relevant towards the conversation of the commons, and these are two of the biggest commentators on the internet.
Hassan, I believe, is the biggest on the left.
How is it that we here at TimCastIRL are to the left of them when it comes to this particular issue?
I'm not gonna pretend we're to the left of them on a bunch of issues relating to businesses, but we are to the left, or at least in the lower quadrant towards libertarian.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think when it comes to social media, this is more about authoritarianism and libertarianism, statism versus freedom, more so than it is about left versus right.
Where I fall relative to Hassan and them, I don't know, but I think I'm definitely On the libertarian aspect.
tim pool
But this is the reason why I say we're to the left, even Luke is to the left of them on this issue, is that what we're talking about is private corporate power taking over the commons.
Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc.
have seized the spaces in which we communicate and started exerting their will to force politics in a certain direction.
That is not government, that is not state, that is private power that has built up enough of it to seize the commons Now, I'm pretty sure, Luke, you're opposed to censorship on these platforms.
luke rudkowski
Absolutely, and especially the collusion that a lot of these big tech companies, including Amazon, have with the Pentagon, have with the CIA, and how much they work hand-in-hand together, which makes them not a private entity, but a quasi-state private entity that, of course, colludes together for the personal benefit of the ruling elites and creates billionaires that have way too much power, way too much control, Only because of the government allowing them to have this.
So I wouldn't even argue on the, yeah, absolutely fascistic.
I wouldn't even argue that I'm on the left.
Again, the spectrum is either you're a statist or you believe in freedom.
I believe in absolute freedom.
Stop having multinational corporations colluding with Jeff Bezos, with Amazon, with Prime, with Twitch and all that.
It's just too much government interference, too much policy directed in the benefit of them that's screwing everyone else over, giving an unfair advantage to regular competitors.
tim pool
To an extent, but Gab, Minds, Rumble, Odyssey, all these platforms exist.
The issue is they have monopoly power.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
Well, if you look at a lot of the infrastructure that Facebook, that Google, that Amazon have built, they have built it on U.S.
tax-paying dollars.
That, of course, incentivizes and worked with the intelligence agencies and a lot of other people within the Pentagon that helped them have an unfair advantage on everyone else.
So when you look at the collusion that's been happening, I would argue that it is absolutely not a private enterprise.
It is an enterprise that, of course, has its benefits.
And just like it hit people on the right, it's eventually going to hit people on the left because censorship, of course, knows no bounds.
Eventually, it has in this instant, but they're going to get their channel back.
But later down the line, I think this larger kind of censorship stick that hit the right predominantly more than the left is eventually going to wipe anyone else who has even a smidget of anti-establishment within them.
tim pool
Smidget?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, smidget.
Smidgen?
unidentified
Smidgen.
luke rudkowski
That's a word, right?
tim pool
I love it.
unidentified
Smidgen is a word.
I'm curious as to what your stance is on... I radically err on the side of individualism and free markets, but I do understand how difficult it is if you're looking at Google, which may have a 100-year monopoly on the search engine before anyone really competes with them, So we're talking about an issue that could take the course of our lifetimes to correct.
But what kind of action do we want to see on that front?
Do we want our corrupt Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi coalition, do we want them to deal with it?
Or do we want individuals to deal with it somehow?
And obviously there's no perfect answer to this because we would have had a solution already.
And as Tim said, there's Rumble, there's all these other startup sites, Donald Trump's getting in the mix with a social media site.
We'll see what happens.
But I think Google Uncontested has the biggest monopoly and they are the biggest threat.
As opposed to like, you know, Facebook, maybe who knows what kind of staying power they have.
Twitter, they might self-immolate at this point with their, you know, woke CEO and the social justice warriors that run the site.
But I think Google has a very serious monopoly.
They not only have a monopoly on the search, but they have a monopoly over our minds essentially because So, 99 point whatever percent of the population still uses Google.
You're getting all of your results from Google.
Google is like a state, as Luke said, is basically like a state enterprise at this point, and it's very much a threat to our civilization.
tim pool
For the fans of Vosh and Hasan who may end up watching this, or may be watching it, I'll give you a very simple explanation for the issue with Control of the Commons.
Would you agree that conservatives don't want to use preferred pronouns?
I think the answer most people, regardless of left or right, would say, well, of course, conservatives don't want to use someone's preferred pronouns.
So on Twitter, for instance, and many other platforms, they enforce the use of these pronouns.
Now, if you're on the left, you may agree with that.
I'm not telling you you're not allowed to feel that way.
By all means, you can have that opinion.
Okay, I respect you having your right to your opinion.
The issue then becomes, if that is clearly and discernibly a left-wing position, and the right is at odds with it, the rules on Twitter directly and negatively impact the right and not the left.
That is a rule on the platform.
Deadnaming is banned.
This is overt.
Now, you can say, and what the left simply says is, Tim's arguing in favor of transphobia or whatever.
I never said that.
I'm saying, just understand, if you know conservatives say, I don't want to use your pronouns, then the rules favor the left.
Ergo, you are in a left-wing echo chamber where big tech firms are controlling the narrative and forcing it in a certain direction.
Now, of course, for many on the left, they're like, well, that's good because they're pushing my ideas.
Great.
By all means, feel that way.
But now, don't deny that the rules are absolutely set up to be negative, to be detrimental to the right.
Probably because the people who run these companies agree with you on those opinions.
Well, when you've got, you know, 80 or so million people in this country who don't agree with that, then I think it's fair to say we have a very serious problem.
Now, you know, Hassan has done one of the things, one of the videos I watched from him recently was him talking about the right doesn't want to use conservative platforms because they want to own the libs.
And what they don't understand, what Hassan needs to understand, is it's not about owning the libs, because obviously, Hassan, you do content where you own the cons.
I mean, that's a common thing regardless of your political faction.
It's the issue that Twitter owns the commons.
They own it.
Parler doesn't have nearly enough people to even talk to, to debate, to question, to engage with.
The same is true for Rumble.
The same is true for Minds.
These are platforms, you know, good for them.
Getter.
I mean, it's great they exist.
But people want to be in the comments.
They want to walk up to their neighbor and say, I humbly disagree.
And some of them want to screech.
Well, we don't like it when people screech.
But how are you even supposed to debate the idea of misgendering if you get banned before you can even say it?
So imagine if you went to the town square and the mayor was using the police force to beat you and kick you out because you said Black Lives Matter.
And that happens too, and it's wrong.
The rules are absolutely slanted, and that's a problem.
luke rudkowski
We're also being ruled by algorithms.
Algorithms that can't really figure out discernment.
So whenever you say something that's on Google's no-talk list, they will hit you, no matter what the context.
And a lot of individuals do get hit, especially smaller channels, smaller individuals with less subscribers, who of course are trying to legitimately talk about an issue, but because of YouTube stigmatization, They can't there's so many history channels on YouTube that got nuked that got utterly destroyed for simply just talking about history and a perspective that is important to understand but you can't on YouTube because of the algorithm because of AI deciding
If you're going to have a voice in our current society and that to me is absolutely ridiculous and when the left was celebrating this kind of political censorship cheering it on I said it's only a matter of time until they get you I think we're reaching that kind of major bridge that it's affecting them and I think it's only going to affect them more just like Antifa they use Antifa the state knows everything that Antifa does they know all the individuals are part of their institutions the intelligence agencies have a database of all their names are going to use them but after they're they're done taking out the people on the right That's the next people that we're going to go after.
tim pool
Let me just stress, when it comes to the January 6th committee, they just got the text messages from how many people?
Members of Congress.
luke rudkowski
Mainstream media journalists.
tim pool
Donald Trump Jr.
journalists.
They just went to the phone companies and said, we'd like their private communications.
And they went, you got it, boss.
And then they released it to the public.
lydia smith
Amazing.
tim pool
Now, somebody chatted us.
Have we ever had Michael Malice and Vosch on at the same time?
That sounds like a good idea.
lydia smith
Yeah, it does.
tim pool
I don't know if you guys, Vosch or Michael, you'd want to be down for something like that.
But, you know, I was like, I don't want to keep just having the same people on, but that actually does sound like a fun show.
Yeah.
I wonder, you know, because Michael's just like overtly anarchist and Vosch is a libertarian socialist, so I think there'd be a really interesting conversation there.
That'd be fun.
Well, you heard it here.
We'll reach out and see what people are up to.
Let's talk about some America.
So that's where we went there, and now we're just doing a hard segue right to this story from CNBC.
Wholesale price measure rose 9.6% in November from a year ago, the fastest pace on record.
The pace was even faster than the estimate, 9.2.
The core producer price index increased at a 6.9% pace, a bit slower than estimates, but still the fastest ever in records, dating to August 2014.
Of course, we also have news.
I think they bring this up here.
That for the consumer price index as well, it's also massively up.
So basically, long story short, inflation is through the roof.
The M1 money supply.
So this is what I did on my main channel today.
I pulled up the M1 money supply from March of 1986, when I was born, until today.
From the month of my birth until the 2008 crisis, the money supply just narrowly doubled.
From $800 billion to $1.6 trillion.
From that point forward, we get to the pandemic year, where the money supply, due to how they track the money, the savings accounts, they said now savings are effectively checking, the money supply increased, I think, like five times.
From something like $2 trillion to like $16 trillion.
That's not two times, that's like eight times.
But I could be wrong, I think it was, I think, no, I'm sorry, five times.
And I think it might have been three.
But since then, since May of 2020, We have added, I think, something like $4 or $5 trillion to the money supply.
And now, the Democrats are proposing raising the debt ceiling another $2.5 trillion.
Joe Biden puts out that video where he's like, we pay our debts in America, that's why I'm raising the debt ceiling!
And it's like, that's not paying your debts, that's taking out a credit card to pay off loans, that doesn't work.
Eventually, the debts come due and you default.
So I'll tell you this, very simply put, What we are seeing now with this wholesale price increase, it's like watching the initial tsunami start coming in.
The water starts pouring over the seawall.
The pandemic was when the water line receded and all the water went away and we're like, where'd the water go?
Now all that water is rushing back faster and higher than ever.
And we're seeing these signs.
I have a feeling that next year is going to be apocalyptically bad.
And I wonder if we're entering like Weimar Germany era.
Like back in the day, in the Weimar era, they were shoveling bills like in the gutter.
It was so worthless.
Like Venezuela levels.
unidentified
In the fiat currency era in college, they tell you about Keynesianism, about modern monetary theory, all this nonsense to kind of cloud your brain.
But it's as simple as what Tim discussed a second ago, is that if you print a lot of money, the money is going to be worth less.
If you print trillions of dollars, there's trillions of more dollars in circulation, and that means your purchasing power is drastically reduced.
That CPI index is actually based on a basket of goods that isn't really like there's other stuff in there that can make it way higher and if you were to calculate it from the 80s consumer price index it would be almost 20% at this point inflation so that that's the kind of numbers that we're talking about and the idea that like oh this is America so we're never going to see hyperinflation That's kind of a dangerous hedge to make, especially because we've only been on fiat currency for 50 years.
So, you know, it's already these hyperinflation incidents have happened, I think, in 60 countries now since then.
So the idea that it can't happen in America is a little foolish.
And you even have Jack Dorsey of Twitter openly mocking the idea that it's transitory.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yep.
Jack Dorsey tweets in quotes, transitory.
Take a look at this from the M1 Money Supply.
So, a lot of people like to point out that this major spike is a change in reporting, and we shouldn't really talk about it, which is BS.
It used to be that you could only transfer out of your savings account six times to your checking account, which meant savings were meant to be saved.
Well, because of the pandemic, they said spend away, spend whatever you want to the money supply, immediately exploded.
Look at this.
From 4 trillion, 4.7 trillion, up to 16.2 trillion.
However, let's ignore that metric, and let's talk about the current rate of growth in the United States.
From May of 2020, we were at 16.2 trillion, to today, we're at 20 trillion in October.
Look how much that's grown.
Just about $4 trillion in a year and a half.
Now take a look at the month I was born, March 1986.
$633 billion.
look at when out the month the month I was born March 1986 633 billion how long
did it take for that to double it was let's see where we go what we're trying
we're trying but it's going down it's going up it's going down and there we go
2003 from 1986 doesn't three to go up six hundred billion dollars now we're
up trillions of dollars already in the span of a year and a half
ian crossland
Look at percentages.
So in a year and a half, it went up 25% basically.
And now, go back to the date of your birth.
How long did it take to get 25% up?
tim pool
To 900.
ian crossland
Up there, from wherever it was.
I don't know, three, four years?
tim pool
It took six years.
ian crossland
Six years.
So it took us one year now.
tim pool
A year and a half to go up a quarter.
ian crossland
That was 30 years ago.
tim pool
But you gotta understand too, I don't think it makes sense to go percentage-wise.
I don't think it makes sense to go percentage-wise because as...
The money supply from $16 trillion, it's happening too fast.
So it's going to be exponentially bad, right?
The effects of the mass printing of money, the trillions of dollars in spending, we're not going to feel.
We're not going to feel that immediately.
It's going to take time.
So what I imagine is likely going to happen is you see that chart showing inflation is a major spike where it's like up to 7% and now the producer pricing index is up, you know, 10%.
What are we going to hit?
Max Keiser said we were at 15% inflation.
They're lying.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So that means what?
Are they going to officially start reporting 15% by mid next year?
I mean, it's going to be the apocalypse for the Democratic Party.
unidentified
It might just be that one day, you know, 10 years down the line, we'll wake up and just realize that our purchasing power is basically worthless under the dollar.
I think that a lot of people have this image in their heads of one day we're just going to be Weimar, Germany, and we're going to be shoveling stuff in
wheelbarrows.
And maybe that day will come.
But inflation seems to be creeping up on us.
If it's 10% compounding, 10%, 10%, 10%, then your purchasing power has been significantly
reduced over five years.
And I think that's the thing that a lot of people don't see coming, is this creeping
You do see the prices rising, but the prices will continue to rise.
Your purchasing power will go slowly, slowly deteriorating.
And that's, I think, the big issue right now is that slow road to a useless dollar.
luke rudkowski
Well, financially, we have to understand the trends usually correlate with the actions weeks and months from those actions.
What happens now is going to correlate in the market in a few months from now.
And that's why in the beginning of COVID, I said, hey, the major factor here that's really going to hurt people is going to be financial.
Keep an eye on the financial markets.
It's absolutely crazy what's happening right now.
The US national debt has just crossed over $29 trillion.
And I believe Tucker Carlson had a very good talking point just a few days ago.
He said young people don't have any possibility to have any economic opportunity, no opportunity for any kind of mobility financially, and that's why people are going over to Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies.
And I think we are seeing a transition for a lot of people Not trusting the financial markets, because how can you?
They're not playing by any rules.
They're not playing by the math rules that are designed to that specific understanding of how things work.
They're creating their own rules.
They're just pressing zero on a computer and giving it to their friends.
Meanwhile, those zeros are having a real-life impact for everyone's purchases.
Every time you go to the supermarket, you see it, you feel it.
And the average person is having a harder and harder time making ends meet, and it's only going to get worse from here, from my perspective.
ian crossland
I'll tell you, the difference between what we had and what Weimar Germany had is that they were burning dollars or Deutschmarks, I think it was, in wheelbarrows.
We don't even have paper anymore.
It's all digital.
So like, if our currency goes belly up, we don't even have paper to burn or cotton to burn.
tim pool
At least they had toilet paper, you know?
At least the Venezuelans... Well, if you're cold outside, and you've got, you know, blankets of... Carbon fuel of some sort, you can keep yourself warm.
We just got a number on a screen that, you know, doesn't do anything for us.
ian crossland
I think that this economic suppression is driving people to extremism in so many ways.
One of it is cryptocurrency.
It's an extreme evolution of currency.
The other is Antifa.
This extreme street violence.
People feeling disincentivized or whatever.
Disenfranchised is the right word.
So, and they're lashing out in different ways.
Some people are intelligently evolving the economy, some people are just smashing stuff up.
It seems like it's all relative.
luke rudkowski
I really think we've reached a point where this kind of financial calamity, this kind of destruction of our economic system is almost done deliberately.
Because if you look at every action the government is taking, it's making it that much worse on everyone else.
How else could you explain giving the military-industrial complex a $20 billion bonus when they didn't even ask for it?
How can you explain just the reckless spending?
How can you explain the Build Back Better bill?
How can you explain raising taxes on everyone else?
It's just absolutely absurd to see.
People's savings, people's hard-earned money that they worked their entire lives for literally be eviscerated right in front of them.
It's crazy.
unidentified
But here's the good news.
So Tucker Carlson talked about how people, millennials, even Gen X, Gen Z, whatever the new generation is, That they're investing in Bitcoin because there's no ability to save.
Investing is very difficult to trade and stay up to par with inflation.
But the good news about Bitcoin is that it is a clearly superior currency, in my opinion.
The fact that Bitcoin has been discovered gives people that exit route so you don't need to be beholden to a two and a half trillion dollar debt ceiling increase.
You can save in Bitcoin And Bitcoin is a finite asset.
It's free market money, the most sound money ever invented.
I think its properties are completely superior to gold's in every sense.
You can debate gold versus Bitcoin and Bitcoin beats it in every single way.
So I think to add to Tucker's statement about people aren't just, yes people are desperate to find a way to hold on to their hard-earned wealth but Bitcoin also provides them an exit and an actual superior currency to the US dollar itself.
So that to me that's the optimistic message is that Bitcoin can be a protective off-ramp to the chaos that's being caused by these politicians and bureaucrats in Washington DC who don't have any of our interests.
tim pool
So let's jump to this story real quick from The Verge.
Nike just bought a virtual shoe company that makes NFTs and sneakers for the Metaverse.
Now, why do I bring up Metaverse in this context?
We're talking about finance and inflation and prices.
My friends, hear me now.
The Metaverse is going to happen.
Maybe not Mark Zuckerberg's, but there will be a Metaverse.
And it's already happening, apparently.
A couple just got married in the Metaverse.
Cryptocurrency will likely be the currency and tracking mechanism by which you own to whatever extent you can own a digital piece of property.
Now when they say you'll own nothing and you'll be happy in that World Economic Forum video or that article, they're talking about physical objects.
But I genuinely believe the singularity will happen.
I believe that Bitcoin is going to be a currency for this new digital world.
NFTs are going to be how you own unique objects in this new virtual reality.
And this is where everyone is being pushed towards.
With the collapse of the US economy and the crisis we're seeing, more and more people are being told, why don't you get cryptocurrencies?
I mean, we advocate for this stuff.
We don't tell you any advice, but we love, you know, I'm a big advocate for it.
But let's be real.
A universal, a global, digital, Trackable monetary system.
There's a lot of things bad about that idea.
You'll be able to see who has how much money, publicly see how much money a person has, when they spend it and where it goes.
Now, of course, there is what Zcash and Monero, I believe, make it much, much more difficult.
So other cryptos will emerge.
But here's what I see with all of this.
You're not gonna get Mark Zuckerberg nuking other companies and stealing a name if he wasn't dead set on doing it.
You wouldn't see Nike buying a company that makes virtual shoes.
You wouldn't see this big push.
While we're all discussing and debating things like January 6th and Antifa and street violence, I think the real Push from the elites what they really want is to get everybody in Some kind of metaverse some kind of digital internet based reality where they're more easily controlled where they're less likely to produce I'm sorry pollute or fight.
There'll be less conflict conflict will be digital and it's gonna be like that episode of Black Mirror That's the that's it's the inner universe.
luke rudkowski
We're heading towards and this I think shows it's happening So, I've been talking about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies for a very long time, and I remember interviewing Max Keiser back in the early 2010s, when Bitcoin was first hitting the world stage.
And I was like, in London, and I was talking to Max, I was walking with him, and I was like, how do we know that Bitcoin isn't the one world global government currency that they've been waiting to push onto everyone, where they could track, trace, and database everyone on a public ledger and know everything that everyone is doing?
And I forgot Max Keiser's response.
I gotta watch my old videos in order to see that.
But whether it's Bitcoin or another government coin, we know Russia's working on their own kind of cryptocurrency, so is Venezuela, where of course there'll be less protections for personal freedoms and liberties.
Right now, if you have a Bitcoin address, it's as private as much as anyone else who knows about it.
So if no one knows that I have a Bitcoin address, There could be money coming in and out, no one would know it unless I publicly tell someone I have a Bitcoin.
So it might be Bitcoin, it might be another currency, but there are other people using this technology to push privacy coins, push for people to have total anonymity online, total freedom, total privacy, and it's a double-edged sword.
I think cryptocurrencies, it's the new internet, and I think just like it could be used for something really bad and really evil and total government control, I think it could also be used for something that could free people, liberate people, and give them privacy, which is absolutely essential in our modern-day society.
tim pool
I think it's great.
I think Bitcoin's fantastic.
But I do think it's going to be an excellent tool.
Cryptocurrency is the blockchain in the upcoming metaverse, the digital world, so whether intentional or not, it's happening.
Let's pull up this story real quick and we'll add to the conversation.
Florida couple holds virtual wedding in the metaverse while simultaneously getting married in real life, complete with avatars that mimic their exact moves for their online guests.
It's not that crazy an idea.
I think people look at this and they don't understand the context.
There's a lot of people who couldn't travel to be at the wedding.
So they did a virtual version so you can put on your Oculus or whatever and watch it happen.
I don't think virtual reality in the metaverse is all bad.
I just think that there are creepy elites who want to take away your possessions and your ability to work and make money and stick you in a box where you have no kids and then you rot and suffer.
I think there's a lot of really bad things about the elites want.
Technology's not all bad though.
However, I do think we are advancing in a creepy direction and this may actually just be a fad.
I do believe we are more likely to be heading into a metaverse singularity type of reality where we're brainchipped by Elon Musk in the next year.
That's what he's saying.
He's saying next year the chips are going to be available to put in people and do all this stuff.
And I do think there's going to be a big push for this.
But we also heard, what, 12 years ago or 14 years ago that Verichip, people were going to be getting chips implanted in their hands.
And that never really took off.
Now we did see in Sweden People are getting the chips implanted in their skin, under
their skin, that contains their COVID information. And they walk up to doors and they can scan it.
But that's the same thing we saw 14 years ago. It just did not happen. People were not
interested in it. Now, is that going to be the same thing with the metaverse? That it's this big fad,
Mark Zuckerberg dumps all this money and effort into it, and then everyone says, yo, we don't want
to do your stupid virtual reality thing?
Or are we forced into it?
luke rudkowski
It's different.
I'll just quickly say that we don't have a microchip in our hand, but we have a phone in
our hands almost everywhere we go. And some people say that the microchip was replaced by the phone,
which essentially almost acts like the same thing.
Another thing I would just want to quickly add before going to you, Ian, is that the metaverse is an excuse to put people into the smart grids in major cities and into the social credit scores.
That's how I see it from a lot of the elitist perspectives on what they want to achieve with it.
Sorry, Ian, go ahead.
ian crossland
Oh, the difference, I think, between... what were we talking about?
tim pool
Chipping your hand?
ian crossland
Yeah, is that the body... people don't like inserting things inside themselves if they can help it.
tim pool
That's not true, Ian.
ian crossland
Well, they don't... I don't.
Most people would opt to put on the hat instead of inject the needle into their temple.
tim pool
I know what you meant, I was just making an adult joke.
ian crossland
Whereas the body can reject things that you insert into it Whereas the metaverse is just more of like a spiritual Technological evolution bro.
tim pool
Have you guys played with the oculus a little bit?
Not yet There's a game called like pirate space robot or some space pirate trainer.
It's so good, dude.
I It's so good, man.
It's crazy.
unidentified
So that was holding the Oculus or the VR back for a while, right?
Was that the technology wasn't that good, and now it's good, you're saying?
tim pool
It's been good for a few years.
It's wireless now?
That's big.
Yeah, it's wireless.
It uses, like, IR tracking.
And so, to Ian's point, yeah, I think you're correct in that regard.
Did you know that you can give yourself an additional sense?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Now it's not, people say there's five senses or whatever, that's not true.
Humans have way more than five senses, like people don't count a sense of balance, sense of temperature.
But you can actually take neodymium magnets and implant them under your fingertips and then give yourself electro perception or electro sense.
So what happens is the magnets will be in your finger, and I personally know people who have done this, And when you move your hand past a power cable in a wall, for instance, let's say there's a wall and you're trying to find out where the cable is.
If you have an embedded neodymium magnet in your finger, you can feel the electric fields in your fingertips, giving yourself electro sense by doing this.
The problem is the body rejects the magnet.
After a certain amount of time, it breaks and your body pushes it out through your skin and it falls out.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
I heard a lot of stories about dogs that were microchipped getting infections and diseases and cancers near wherever they had the microchip injected.
Those are some of the stories that I saw on the internet even just a few years ago.
So it wouldn't surprise me if they transitioned from, you know, let's inject it to, let's just have it everywhere they go, including when they go poop.
tim pool
Then how is Elon Musk going to implant the computer chips?
Did they figure this out?
Have you seen the Neuralink stuff?
They're very thin copper wires that make contact.
So maybe that is too small to get rejected.
ian crossland
They thread them into the outer layer of the brain.
They carve out a quarter-sized hole in the skull, and then they thread I don't know, a thousand tiny little fibers into the top layer of the brain, and then that gives the impulses.
Ideally, they're going to evolve it so that they don't have to cut the skull open or insert anything.
luke rudkowski
Some people are saying they're going to do it like teeth implants.
That's another possibility, but some people even reject tooth implants.
Some people can't have them because their body just says, no, I don't want it.
tim pool
And those will be the deplorables.
Yeah.
All the people are gonna be, you know, synced up in society, and they're gonna be part of the network, they're gonna be like the Borg, and there's gonna be people who are like outside begging for scraps because they're not gonna be able to work.
ian crossland
I cannot.
bring myself to drill a hole in my head for this.
tim pool
Is that what it says?
ian crossland
That looks like a hole.
It's not a quarter size, maybe like a dime or smaller.
luke rudkowski
Now, if I was paralyzed and this could help me walk or if I was blind and it could help me see, it's another... We should look up the monkey because Elon Musk did this to the monkey that was using his brain chip to play a video game with the monkey's own mind.
Would you take the chip?
unidentified
Again, I guess if Ian was saying, if the calculation had changed, if I happened to be paralyzed or had some horrible disability that could be fixed with Neuralink, I think I would be very much willing to give it a shot.
I mean, what do you have to lose if you're confined to a wheelchair and this company says that, hey, we might be able to make you walk?
luke rudkowski
But that's the PR public excuse they're going to use for total domination and a track, trace, and database society where they're the tech overlords of our existence and we're the peon slaves.
lydia smith
So on that note, I do have to say that as someone who requires kind of expensive medicine, I don't hate big pharma as much as some people, and as someone who may ultimately end up requiring something that'll keep me from being in a wheelchair, I have to say this stuff is kind of exciting.
I'm not going to probably voluntarily sign up for Neuralink, but they, when they were researching some of these mRNA vaccines, they found some interesting new treatments for whatever it is that I have.
And I was like, that's really neat.
So you never know where there's going to be an advance.
And I was going to say, one of the things that I'm sure they're probably thinking about right now is how your body is going to respond to keeping this inside your body, because you can't even transplant an organ without requiring anti-rejection medicine for the rest of your life.
Because your body does not want any foreign objects in it at all.
Like, your body rejects tattoo ink.
Your body rejects everything.
tim pool
Maybe this is why they're working so hard towards artificial intelligence.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because the human mind is not programmed.
It is developed over a period of time, and it self-generates.
There's like a base code, and when a human is born, and over time, the neurons connect, and each individual's brain function is unique, like a brain print almost.
So, how do you interface with a brain that is unique to itself, self-grown?
When we make a computer, we take the schematic for the computer, we replicate it a billion times, there's our computer.
We know how they work, they have interchangeable parts.
But each individual human is not the same.
Some people use a slightly different part of the brain, it grew in a different position.
Artificial intelligence may be able to rapidly map out the key areas of the brain so it can interface very, very quickly.
luke rudkowski
It also looks like that monkey went through surgery.
Like they opened up his skull and implemented a chip in there because you don't see any wires on the outside.
You see a bald spot on the back of the monkey's head.
So it looks like this.
And it showed the surgery.
It showed the implant being injected after a cut of the monkey's head.
tim pool
So check this out.
In the beginning, you can see the monkey is using a joystick.
And then I guess later on they get rid of the joystick.
Now it's just controlling it with his brain.
lydia smith
Oh, it's crazy.
ian crossland
Is he blowing on something or sucking on something?
tim pool
I think it's giving him food or something.
No, I don't know.
Maybe we should just watch it and they'll tell us what he's doing.
luke rudkowski
And then Elon Musk is looking at human trials in 2022.
So next year he's looking at human beings being these monkeys, literally, testing out the brain chips.
tim pool
Here's what I want to know.
ian crossland
You're going to be able to type with your thoughts.
You're just going to think a sentence and it's going to be on the page.
tim pool
That's right.
But let me ask everybody, especially for you guys who are watching the show.
There's a lot of people who I think are absolutely craving and desiring this.
Begging for it.
And it's probably a lot of people who won't admit it.
Because this is what I was saying when we had Jack Murphy on the show.
I was like, imagine you get up, you walk over to your treadmill, you throw the towel over your neck, you turn on your Neuralink, and then all of a sudden you're at Old Country Buffet.
And while you are virtually consuming massive quantities of food and cakes and steaks, filet mignon, all the steak you can eat, you're sitting there eating and then you get full and you're like, that was awesome.
Take off the Neuralink and you're running on the treadmill and you stop and you've been running for an hour.
You're all sweaty and fit and you weren't even in that, you know, you weren't doing the chore of the exercise.
No, I think it's fair to point a lot of people like exercise, but some people don't.
And so Jack was like, oh man, you're making it tempting or whatever.
There's a lot of people, and beyond that too, what if you could take, you know, you've got the brain chip, and then you could take a little chip that was like, you know, Elder Scrolls XIII, Put it on your brain, turn it, and voom!
You're in Elder Scrolls.
You're fighting dragons, you're throwing fireballs.
ian crossland
They're gonna need to make Elder Scrolls XV cream that I can just rub on my third eye and then I'll install the game for me.
tim pool
You snort it.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I don't want to insert anything.
Sacrifice and pain builds character and builds an appreciation for something.
If you're just given something, I mean, obviously the average human being is going to like it for a little bit, but then become kind of apathetic to it and not be happy, not be satisfied because they never truly worked for something that's their own.
It was just given to them in this kind of metaverse.
And I think this is going to create a society of very unhappy people.
And I don't think it's going to work.
tim pool
Have you guys ever seen the commercial for PlayStation 9?
No.
Do you guys want to see it?
Let me play this video for you guys.
unidentified
New for Twitch.com.
luke rudkowski
That's a smart dust.
unidentified
Playstation 9's new electronic spores tap straight into your adrenal gland.
luke rudkowski
Yep.
unidentified
That is legit.
PS9 has improved retinal scanning.
A mind control system.
holographic and we surround vision.
I'm telling you, it's not going to be easy.
I'm telling you.
Telepathic personal music.
The ultimate just got better.
PlayStation 9.
Teleport yours today.
tim pool
Why did they think that it was gonna take five decades, six decades to get to PlayStation 9?
luke rudkowski
I have no idea. Yeah.
tim pool
It's creepy though, isn't it?
It's like all quiet.
ian crossland
Dude, you're going to be able to do that, but you're going to have like 80 games going on at once in your brain.
People are going to evolve to multitask, to be able to think about different things at the same time, and this is going to help train us to do that.
unidentified
In this day and age, you can't even tell if that's parody or not.
Like, if you told me, oh, this is an official Sony commercial, Jordan, I'd totally believe you.
I have no idea what that is.
But separating these, like, parody skits from actual reality, everything is becoming so dystopian nowadays.
We're just, like, living in a weird Black Mirror episode when Mark Zuckerberg shows up and says, oh, you're all going to enter the metaverse with me.
And we're like, what is actually going on?
tim pool
People will do it.
I think most people are going to do it.
I think, you know, we are more likely to be the outliers.
Steve Bannon talks about it.
But Steve Bannon's on the older side.
You tell a young kid they're going to be able to actually go into The Witcher and live in that world.
You're going to tell them your favorite TV shows.
You're not just going to watch the TV show.
You're going to be in the room as all of that stuff is happening.
You're not just going to watch Game of Thrones.
Okay, bad example.
Game of Thrones, I'm going to suck it.
But what's a new hot show?
Hellbound.
Or Squid Game.
You're not just gonna be watching Squid Game, you're gonna be in the games, running around as the stuff is going on.
And, get this, you could actually, they could make shows where you can sit and watch it happen, or you could stop things and then choose to interact with the characters.
luke rudkowski
What if we're in the VR right now?
What if we're in the Metaverse as we're speaking right now?
ian crossland
Then we're not doing it very well.
Let's level up and beat the main quest.
luke rudkowski
I think we're doing very well.
I just do side quests first.
ian crossland
We're still doing side quests.
unidentified
Oh, I was gonna say something.
Speaking of the simulation, isn't that new Matrix movie coming out in a few days?
tim pool
It sounds so dumb.
luke rudkowski
They're gonna destroy that trilogy.
They're gonna destroy all the hardcore messaging of freedom and liberty and against the system.
They're gonna make it just, I think, a Total pro-establishment, pro-propaganda of our modern day, blue-haired person.
tim pool
That's not very... There's literally one of the main characters is like a blue-haired non-binary person.
ian crossland
I remember when I was just saying to these kids, you're going to get like a 10-year-old being like, okay, mom, I'm going into the metaverse and puts on their helmet, goes into their digital shop where they're selling their NFTs and all these, they're like this really well-known salesman in the verse.
And then all these people come out and they're buying all this stuff.
And the kid comes out an hour later, And pays for his parents food and and like, you're gonna have the, we might see a society where the kids are paying for the adults via their digital presence in the verse.
tim pool
The Matrix got it wrong.
In the Matrix, they're like, humans were forced to be batteries for the machines.
It should have actually been, humans chose to be batteries for the machines.
It's like the Cypher character in the first Matrix.
He's like eating steak, and he's like, I want to be back in the Matrix.
But you know, I'll tell you one thing that's going to get crazy too.
A lot of what we're seeing about identity issues, where people want to be animals, where people want to be dragons, or demon dolls, or whatever.
Legit, we talked about the demon doll woman.
She identifies as a demon doll, whatever that is.
Give me a quack!
They're gonna go in the metaverse and they're gonna be that.
So when that little kid goes into his metaverse to sell his NFTs,
he's gonna be like a giant duck.
And then someone's gonna walk in and be like, Duck man, what up? Let me get some of those NFTs.
I'll take that one and that one.
All those shoes are sick.
I'm gonna put them on my avatar right now.
And then he blinks and then- Give me a quack.
Give me a quack.
And then the little kid who's the duck goes, Quack.
And then the kid comes out.
He leaves the metaverse and he walks into the bathroom.
He looks in the mirror and just goes, Hahahaha.
And then he puts the metaverse back on and he's the duck again.
unidentified
So who's keeping the lights on while we're on the Metaverse?
ian crossland
It's gonna be done via smart contract.
luke rudkowski
The government!
The government's gonna be taking care of everyone.
Everyone's gonna be on not only just the social credit score, but what was Andrew Yang talking about?
You know, a pentence that the government's going to be giving you just to live?
What did he call it?
tim pool
Oh, the UBI?
luke rudkowski
The UBI, yeah.
A stipend?
unidentified
The propaganda was freedom dividend.
How more of a third and backwards could you get?
tim pool
That's a good question.
ian crossland
Who is going to be running this thing?
Is it going to be the corporation?
tim pool
The corporation!
Sounds like an 80s sci-fi movie.
luke rudkowski
The government working with the corporations hand-in-hand in tandem with the intelligence agencies calling the shots, just like they do now.
The same way that they do now.
ian crossland
On their own unique metaverse, like their own private one that isn't tracked or something, and then they're all And they're going to be GMs, they're going to be moderators, they're going to be admins.
tim pool
You're going to be in the Metaverse, and you're going to be like, hey, you guys want to come with me to, you know, Duck Store to see the new Duck NFTs?
And you're going to be walking, and then Mark Zuckerberg's going to be walking by, and you're going to go, oh, hey, look, it's Zuckerberg!
And then he's just going to turn his head like a robot, and he's going to go, and then he's going to, you know, have just powers in the Metaverse.
He's going to delete your avatar, and you're going to snap out and be like, no!
ian crossland
I can't people will work their whole lives to become admins like I just want to be a GM
I just want to be a gym and then they finally get it They're 35 and they realize it's not all it's cracked up to
tim pool
be the hours are long Imagine being a moderator in the metaverse like someone's
walking around in like a big open space yelling about flat earth or whatever and then a moderator
shows up and says You know like you're being banned and then snap the person's
gone That's Robocop.
Imagine, imagine if in reality people had these kinds of powers.
That you could be standing in the middle of public square holding up a sign saying, you know, you know, the end is nigh or end the Fed or something, and then a cop walks up and says, disturbing the peace, snap, and then you just don't exist anymore.
ian crossland
Yeah, you could have a metaverse where, like, one guy, you're there doing something, another guy comes up and is like, stop, and wants to destroy you in the metaverse, and he destroys you, but from your perspective, he explodes.
And so you both win in your own experience of the reality.
tim pool
I don't see that as being possible if there's a centralized server, but I do think this is a really good argument for why there needs to be, if there is a metaverse, it has to be decentralized.
And this would actually be a really cool thing if there was like one big centralized metaverse server and they've got moderators guarding the door and they're like, you can't come in.
But you could go to any other server.
People could host their own private servers.
There'd be crazy servers.
That'd be kind of crazy.
I think the problem is all of this is predicated upon whether or not you're going to have a hole drilled into your head and a microchip implanted in your brain.
luke rudkowski
Which you will.
And you'll be living under the UBI and the social credit score, and there'll be smart dust flying around everywhere, making sure you're compliant with it, or else it'll be injected into your body and then have the turn-off switch for the... Have you heard about the smart dust?
ian crossland
We've talked about it a little bit.
luke rudkowski
That's what the PlayStation 9 commercial was all about.
They released the nanoparticles.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's been around for a while.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
SmartDust is a system of many tiny micro-electromechanical systems, MEMS, such as sensors, robots, or devices that can detect, for example, light, temperature, vibration, magnetism, chemicals.
They're used, uh, they're usually operated on a computer network wirelessly, distributed over air to perform tasks, blah, blah, blah.
They're a few millimeters.
They may be vulnerable to electromagnetic disablement, blah, blah, blah, blah.
You get the point.
It's not.
When you say smart dust, a lot of people think it's like tiny and you can't see it.
It's like nanotech.
For the most part, they're not saying that right now.
They're saying it's very, very small sensors and computers that can be used for, you know, tracking, manipulating things.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, but the technology that's being developed along with the metaverse, I think, goes hand in hand with, again, what I said before, the smart grid, the social credit score, and I think it's going to be crucially implemented in a lot of the control grid systems that are already being put into place, that are being developed.
tim pool
Well, we'll start here.
Based on what Elon Musk is saying to Elizabeth Warren, he's earned my trust!
I don't know.
I don't know if I would take the computer implant from Elon Musk, but the story is still pretty funny.
Elon Musk feuds with Elizabeth Warren over billionaire taxes.
Senator Karen.
Billionaire Elon Musk fired back at comments from Senator Elizabeth Warren on Tuesday, telling her to stop projecting and calling her Senator Karen.
I'll just show you exactly what happened.
Here's on Twitter, Elizabeth Warren says, she posts the Boston Globe, Elon Musk named Time's Person of the Year.
She said, let's change the rigged tax code so the person of the year will actually pay taxes and stop freeloading on everyone else.
Elon Musk said, among other things, and if you opened your eyes for two seconds, you would realize I will pay more taxes than any American in history this year.
And Elon is correct.
The establishment left, with like faux-progressives like Warren, are able to convince these progressives to believe this stuff just by saying it.
It's the craziest thing to me that they go, did you know Elon Musk and Amazon paid no taxes?
And I'm like, that's insanely not true.
There's like, it is objectively false.
It makes no sense on its face.
Why would you believe that?
Because they said it.
Elizabeth Warren says it, and it gets repeated.
It's just not the case.
ian crossland
Yeah, what's the story with that?
When they say Apple paid no corporate taxes this year, is that because their costs outweighed, their expenditures outweighed their...
tim pool
It's usually a manipulation because one thing you always have to pay taxes on would be like employment tax, property tax, you've got local taxes, state taxes.
Now federally, or even at the state level, they might say, you know, we invested X, we worked out a deal with the city for a tax incentive to put money somewhere, and so quite literally what could happen is the city goes to Apple and says, tell you what, if you spend You know, $500 million, building a factory here with X amount of jobs, then we'll consider that an investment for tax purposes and, you know, give you a tax benefit of X. And then it's like, okay.
So the government cuts a deal in exchange for an economic incentive with the company, and then the left comes out and says, but they're not paying taxes!
It's like, but they're doing what the government asked them to do.
So imagine if they came out and said, no government, I won't do anything you say.
And the government would then be like, okay, pay taxes.
And they'd be like, okay.
And not only that, whenever they say this, they always use weasel words to make it seem like Elon Musk pays no taxes.
Elon Musk, I believe, is correct when he says he pays more taxes than any American in history.
lydia smith
Huh.
tim pool
Because he's gonna, like, he's selling off all his property.
That's huge.
That's gonna dramatically reduce his tax bill.
But his tax bill was probably insanely huge just off of owning things.
And so basically this is all about the stupid wealth tax, which makes no sense.
Where they're like, we're gonna tax people for cash on things that aren't liquid.
Which is the dumbest idea ever.
Like, you could have this gorilla right here, and then one day someone's like, that's a rare gorilla.
It's worth a million dollars.
And then all of a sudden I'm supposed to pay a million dollars because I have a plastic gorilla sitting on my desk?
That makes no sense.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, the 0.0001% Native American Senator Karen also really hates cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin and has called for a lot of regulation, a lot of government intervention, and an extremely high tax rate for people using cryptocurrencies and Bitcoin.
So there's the big divide between Elizabeth Warren and, of course, Elon Musk.
And Elon Musk has been on a tear lately.
He's been making a lot of bold, big statements, specifically saying that he doesn't want the Build Back Better bill.
He thinks that bill should be absolutely shunned away.
He thinks that the United States government is just a major corporation that has a monopoly of violence.
He's been speaking out against a lot of core issues, including VAX mandates, saying that absolutely there shouldn't be any VAX mandates.
And it's really interesting to see his talking points.
And I think, you know, a lot of times people are changed politically, especially when they look at the taxes that they have to pay out of their paycheck.
So I think, you know, most definitely Elon Musk saw the taxes he had to pay and that kind of changed him politically, being like, this is pissing me off.
I'm going to voice my opinion since I'm giving so much money to these people.
unidentified
And these multinational corporations, it's very interesting when you do research into them.
These bills, these tax increase bills, potential tax increase bills, are going to screw over small businesses, mid-sized businesses, because multinational corporations, I mean I've been covering Pfizer for quite some time now, they can offshore their profits and build a headquarters in Ireland and say, you know, we made 50 billion dollars in Ireland, we're not paying, we're paying 2% in taxes this year because all of our profits are in Ireland.
If you're a mom-and-pop shop that generates like a gross revenue of a million dollars, There's no way you're going to be able to offshore any of your profits.
So these bills, Senator Warren is a total fraud.
If you notice that when she talks about, oh, we're going to go after Wall Street, she never names a firm on Wall Street that she's going to go after because she's in their pocket.
And I want to explain something to people about taxes that a lot of these progressives don't understand.
kind of becoming based now and he's on the really bad side of the Biden administration
to the point where they had a big electric vehicle meeting at the White House and how
to craft that bill and they did not invite Tesla.
That's like not inviting Sony to the future of video games conference.
It's just very bizarre.
tim pool
I want to explain something to people about taxes that a lot of these progressives don't
understand.
Do you think that Bezos cares about his tax rate?
He does not.
He's probably like, I got too much money, man, I don't even know.
I don't even know.
When he gets his paycheck, because Bezos gets $83,000, $81,000 a year, sorry, it's his salary.
And then he gets incentives, which ultimately, like bonuses, he ultimately comes out to about $1.6 million.
He probably looks at it and goes, oh.
Because how much money do you really need to get by?
So Bezos has his stock, he has his assets, he has tons of money.
But at the end of the day, he gets his paycheck and he probably says, I don't even look at it.
He probably just ignores it.
Outright, because it's meaningless.
No, poor person.
I remember, it was like my third job.
I was working for an airline out of O'Hare Airport, and I'd worked 40 hours at $10 an hour, and so I was like, alright, so it's gonna be what?
It's like, that's $400, and then I gotta pay taxes, so I imagine maybe I'll end up with $300 or $350, we'll see what happens, and my paycheck was like $270-something.
And then I got my paycheck and I looked at it and I just was like, I just was like, what the?
And then all the older guys were there, started laughing.
And they were like, he saw the taxes, didn't he?
And then I was like, dude, I'm poor.
I can't afford to live.
Like working 40 hours at 10 bucks an hour.
And then being told that almost half of the money I'm making was like 28% or whatever is taken from me.
I needed those hours.
I needed that money.
I couldn't afford rent.
I couldn't afford my car.
I couldn't afford healthcare.
But when you're rich, and they go, we're gonna take, you've got, your salary is $10 million, we're taking half.
You go, I don't know, so what's my paycheck this month?
$488,000, whatever, deposit it, I'm sitting on assets, I don't care, I don't even notice.
So these tax increases are negligible to a lot of these people.
luke rudkowski
Well a lot of the super rich have called for more tax increases because it makes sure that they stay on top in their competition doesn't have an opportunity to have enough income to be able to compete with them so you know these people want higher taxes because it actually benefits them they want more regulations they want a higher minimum wage.
Because at the end of the day, it's destroying small mom-and-pop businesses while, of course, it's benefiting them greatly.
And they have other ways.
They have so many different incentives, whether setting up offshore corporations and then selling off the intellectual property towards a domestic company here in the United States.
There's so many different rules.
There's a reason the tax code is as big as it is because there's a lot of exemptions for a lot of powerful people that helped write it, that works in their favor, that obviously screws everyone else who would be competition to those people.
unidentified
Exactly.
This Build Back Better bill that they're promoting in Congress and that Joe Biden's all about and all those people are all about, this was crafted by the lobbyists for the giant corporations.
It's by and for these giant corporations.
It is not to help our economic engine.
As Luke said, it's to seal off the competition from these oligarchs.
That's the entire purpose of it.
It's this state corporate enterprise.
They want to phase out all types of possible competition.
tim pool
Yeah.
I was just thinking about taxes, man.
I'm just like, I'm going through the numbers and it's interesting that I'm imagining back when I was younger and trying to calculate budget.
How many hours this week do I have to work to get by?
And how taxes really brutalize you when you're making just enough to be above poverty or whatever.
They take taxes out anyway.
And it's like, if you got to pay 500 bucks a month in rent, And you can only work 40 hours a week.
Like, you're going to be struggling to make ends meet.
If you've got rent, food, health insurance, whatever, you want the bare minimum,
then any amount of taxes taken out is gutting you.
Dude, to be told that, you know, you're gonna lose 230, you know,
effectively like 23 hours of the work you did that week or 20 hours of the work you did that week.
It's like, why even do it if you're working that much to have it taken away from you?
Maybe it's unfair to say that much.
Maybe it's like, you know, 13 hours or whatever.
The point is, for people who are extremely well off, You could tell an ultra-rich person we're taking 90% and they'd be like, I don't know, I don't care about my income anyway because everything's in hard assets and everything's accruing in value.
So what does it even mean to me?
It's in property, it's in stocks, and... But this is the problem, then, when they say they want to raise taxes across the board.
I mean, even Bernie Sanders' plan, I think, would have still raised taxes for, like, middle class and upper middle class people.
And what I try to explain to a lot of people at Occupy Wall Street, for instance, and other leftist activists, What we need, in my opinion, is more tax brackets.
Not just to be like, after you make $250,000, we tax you at this percentage.
Because somebody who makes $250,000 being taxed, you know, 48% or whatever, or 38% I think it is, then they end up getting take-home about $100,000 or so.
But somebody who's making $10 million, who's taxed the same rate, doesn't notice a difference when they're having millions of dollars deposited in their account.
luke rudkowski
I have a little bit of a different perspective.
I think there should be no taxes, and if the government wants to launch any project, they have to do it through GoFundMe, and they have to have enough public support and private charity to do so.
I think that would be a more rational way to do this than, of course, steal people's money.
ian crossland
Yeah, I like that for some, except for like utilities, about like water, the water supply and the power supply, the military.
luke rudkowski
If you look at most power supply companies, especially in California, it is riddled with corruption.
You look at Venezuela and their kind of energy companies, when they were of course brought into the state government, it absolutely ruined Yeah, sanitation and access to clean water.
Hasn't been updated the government has no incentive in order to provide you any quality of service the private
market does and that's why I would argue the government getting involved makes the
unidentified
situation that much worse What about with the water supply because if the water
luke rudkowski
supply goes haywire the government depends on like what aspect and what variability?
You're discussing like are we talking about sanitation or we?
unidentified
Cleaning and access. Yeah, who's gonna take my poop from my house?
tim pool
Luke in your in your and your Ron Paul and Kapistan Paradise
luke rudkowski
Where's poop go you could There's literally companies out there that are developing technology that makes poop into energy and power.
So the private market would be, again, way better.
I'm not saying it's going to be a perfect system.
Obviously, with any system, there's going to be some kind of harm.
There's going to be some kind of idiot that ruins it for everyone else.
But I think Overall, there would be a lot less harm, a lot more
economic prosperity, a lot more freedom, just like we saw in Singapore, just like we saw a few years
ago in Hong Kong.
Civilizations...
Singapore?
tim pool
Bro, they execute you if they find you with no competencies.
luke rudkowski
Now they do, but Singapore became known on the world stage as a free economic market
where a lot of people fled to, and it was able to build a society that was a free market
society that allowed private enterprise to thrive, and it created some of the most richest
people in the world.
Now obviously it has devolved into a full technocratic state with a social credit score,
with surveillance cameras watching your every move, if you spit on the ground or if you
chew gum the wrong way.
I thought...
I was sweating bullets in Singapore with Tim because a disgruntled Tinder date was saying
she was gonna call the police on me for not going on the date with her.
tim pool
Who got catfished?
luke rudkowski
Oh, it was bad.
It was horrible.
I luckily was able to kind of see it.
tim pool
And then we had to like escape out the back door or whatever.
unidentified
It was funny.
tim pool
I was laughing the whole time.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, luckily I made it out, but I was sweating bullets apart with what was happening there.
It's a crazy way that they decided to live their lives.
But anywhere you see the free market kind of activated, you see a lot of individual freedom.
You see a lot of liberty.
You see a lot of services that are incentivized to help the person rather than a government that will take your money and then doesn't need to provide you a good service.
tim pool
What if we created a special economic zone in the United States that was totally free market?
We had two different ones.
One was for the commies and one was for the ancaps, and you could choose which one you wanted to go live in.
luke rudkowski
Perfect.
That would be absolutely beautiful.
tim pool
One city is dedicated to the communists, and once you choose to live there, you can't choose not to.
And then the free marketplace, you can come and go as you please.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
And then if commies want to live in their own commune, go ahead.
I won't be mad about it.
Would you?
unidentified
Tim, you're a cold weather guy, right?
What about Greenland?
Big piece of property over there.
Free economics.
Yeah, I know.
tim pool
And Trump wanted to buy it.
And I was like, that sounds great.
lydia smith
Heck yeah!
tim pool
And they made fun of him for it.
And it's so weird because it wasn't even that long ago we bought Alaska.
You know what I mean?
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
And it would have provided so much opportunities.
It would provide a lot of expansion.
It would provide, you know, potentially an economic free zone, which I think would be amazing.
And if you look at the history of those, they always turn out into incredible things.
You look at the history of government top-down centralization controlling every aspect of the financial institutions, you see communism and you see people starving and not having food, people being slaughtered and sent to the gulags.
And I think there's a big overall trend when it comes to economic freedom and political freedom.
tim pool
We need Starlink.
We need low-latency, high-speed satellite internet.
Then you can live and work from anywhere.
And that's what I'm excited for because we've been looking at, you know, we're in West Virginia, we're setting up this big 50-acre property, but we're still out here because we have to be close to a major airport or whatever.
And so that will tether us in our operation, you know, closer to, you know, bigger cities.
But you could go to a smaller regional airport and someone could fly to a major airport and then to the smaller airport.
And then you could effectively have a media operation in the middle of Wyoming, in the middle of nowhere, so long as you have that satellite and that low latency communications or Greenland.
ian crossland
Starlink and decentralized service, server space.
That's once we get Starlink and like maybe satellite server space to orbital server space, I think we're going to be.
tim pool
I think the future of this planet is going to be people spreading out outside of cities and then wiring themselves into the metaverse and living digital virtual lives.
Could you imagine if your entire life was The Matrix?
But it wasn't like the movie The Matrix.
You knew you were in The Matrix.
So basically, you'd wake up in the morning, and you'd brush your teeth, then you'd go into your pod, you know, that stimulates your muscles so you don't atrophy, and then you enter the digital space, and then you're in Greenland, you know, doing your work, and you're like, I've got a meeting in New Zealand, and then so then you just walk up to a door, and you type, you know, you activate it, New Zealand police, the door opens, right open, and you walk right to New Zealand.
Because you're in a virtual world.
ian crossland
Dude, it'll be like I'll be in my house, you'll be in your house, but we'll both be in this studio digitally.
It'll look like it that we're both sitting next to each other and we'll be seeing each other.
tim pool
You can do that now.
ian crossland
And the video will look like we're all in the room together.
tim pool
Well, yeah, because we'll be wired in the matrix.
unidentified
But here's the thing.
So we're all kind of against it now.
But because if we're talking about this future technology in the sense that they can like kind of like regulate your dopamine, we will all become addicted to the metaverse.
That's the problem.
tim pool
It's not even about that.
It's not going to be that tomorrow, you know, Elon Musk knocks on your door and then like, you know, he's holding the chip and then two guys in white coats pin you down and you're like, no!
It's going to be that they're going to roll out the neural cap.
It's a hat you wear that can, you know, alert you when your phone goes off or something like that or Google Glass.
It's going to be some small convenience we accept and then every day the convenience is going to escalate.
Think about how cell phones started.
Big, big gray block.
You pull the antenna up, it had like four hours of power, only worked downtown, and they sucked.
And then I remember when, you know, my mom had a cell phone, it was like roaming charges and connections, and it like worked, it was better, it was like a gray Motorola and you'd flip it down.
Then I got my first candy bar phone.
These phones didn't do anything, but it was convenient to have, you could talk to people, or beepers, for instance.
Now, we have the summation of, the access to the summation of human knowledge in our pockets, we can film videos, it is escalating.
Everyone accepts it.
They're okay with being tracked.
They're okay with being spied on because of the convenience.
So Neuralink will happen.
Whatever, all this metaverse stuff will happen.
No one will resist it.
We are going to accept it and be happy about it.
How many people, if you went back in time and said, I'm going to take away your landline phone and you will be happy.
They'd be like, no, I wouldn't.
I need my phone.
Be like, no, no, no, don't worry.
We're going to give you a tracking device that people can track everywhere you go, no matter where you go.
And it'll spy on you, but you'll be able to talk to people.
They'll be like, screw Screw that!
Are you nuts?
unidentified
No!
tim pool
No, give me my phone back.
That's not where we're at now, is it?
luke rudkowski
So I'm watching the chat room and someone just left a comment saying,
imagine this chat, but in VR.
unidentified
And I'm like, whoa, that'd be wild.
luke rudkowski
I'm seeing what you guys are saying here.
tim pool
It's pretty crazy. It already exists.
There's on Oculus, there's, I don't know what it's called.
It's like live chat.
And I brought up the duck thing in that little kid because I was playing the game.
I was playing Space Robot Trainer, that pirate game.
That's so fun.
You're like, you got robots and you're like, you're shooting at them.
And then I went to the chat room and it's like people walking around and there was a duck just like walking around doing stuff.
And I'm like, someone literally went in this game and said, I would like to be a duck.
And they did.
The graphics are trash, mind you, because the processing power isn't all that great or whatever.
But imagine what it's going to be like when they synchronize Neuralink.
How long is that going to be?
10 years?
20 years?
Maybe that's a bad estimate.
Maybe 30 or 40.
ian crossland
Oh, it could be still much sooner than that.
I know.
tim pool
Look at 1986, 1981.
The video games that were out.
Look at 1986, 1981, the video games that were out.
Mario Brothers.
30 years, look where video games ended up.
You've got first person, 3D.
Now look where we are.
It's been almost 40 years.
It's been over 40 years.
And look how rapidly video game technology has advanced to the point where now we got VR glasses.
With the new Oculus, you put it on and there's no wires.
You can go out in your backyard and set your space and then just do whatever in virtual reality.
ian crossland
Wireless.
tim pool
Yup.
ian crossland
I keep thinking about the chimp.
Did you guys ever see the video of the chimp on Instagram?
Just look it up someday.
I don't know if you want to bring it up now.
It's kind of a non sequitur.
It's just a chimpanzee on Instagram.
He's on Instagram swiping, and it looks like a human.
tim pool
Oh, this right here, yeah.
ian crossland
This is nuts!
tim pool
Here we go.
He's just watching videos of chimps doing chimp stuff.
Well, yeah, but chimps are smart.
Monkeys are smart, too.
ian crossland
We'll be in the metaverse with these guys.
tim pool
Look at that, he's swiping, he's looking for stuff.
He hits it, and he's like, yo, what up?
ian crossland
That may help us understand other animals a lot better, because if we can wire them into the metaverse with us... Isn't that crazy he just knows how to do it?
Like, if you could neural net and synchronize with an ape, and then you can kind of understand the animal more?
tim pool
I don't know, man.
ian crossland
And it could understand you more?
tim pool
I think everything that we're saying is going to be viewed in the future as, like, stodgy, old people complaining, and we're going to be laughed at.
Remember that guy?
I don't know if you know this, Ian.
There's a guy who... Who was it?
It was someone famous.
He said the internet wouldn't take off.
lydia smith
Oh, Robert Reich, wasn't it?
unidentified
Was it?
lydia smith
I think so.
unidentified
Was it Krugman?
tim pool
It was Krugman.
unidentified
Krugman.
tim pool
He's wrong about everything.
I think it was Krugman.
unidentified
It could be both of them.
tim pool
And he was like, the internet will not be part of the economy or something like this.
unidentified
He likened it to a fax machine.
He said it would be as big a deal as a fax machine.
I think that was the quote.
tim pool
Let's see, did Krugman say the internet's effect on the world's economy would be no greater than the fax machines?
unidentified
True.
lydia smith
Look at that.
tim pool
Man, this guy is still today a very dumb person.
ian crossland
Nobel Prize winning economist.
lydia smith
That's right.
Wrong about everything.
tim pool
But think about it, man.
People back then, I remember watching these old videos that come up where they're like, no, the internet's not going to take off.
Well, certainly an interesting novelty.
It won't be.
And then you get Krugman, you get other people like it.
Watching these old videos about the internet, it's crazy.
Because it is life today.
luke rudkowski
Well, you know, even with cell phones and the advent of social media, I would say it was a net positive in the very beginning because it was unfiltered, uncontrolled.
There was no major algorithms.
It was what you subscribe to is what you get.
And there was a moment in time where people finally started to get the true window to the reality of the world that wasn't controlled by any kind of special interest.
Now those doors are closing and I'm seeing social media as a net negative, especially with the psychological disorders that it has caused so many young people, causing people to, of course, be so unhappy.
But the larger debate that I think should be sparked here, is it because we have too much knowledge that has gone into our brain too fast?
Is the ability to be able to know anything in a moment?
something that is detrimental to human society or human beings, a power that they never had
before.
That's an interesting kind of debate that I've been kind of listening and hearing about
that I think is worth talking about.
tim pool
In 50 years, people are all born and they're implanted with their neural chip and they
grow up and they live mostly in the metaverse.
And there's a young man, and he meets a young woman, and they're getting along swimmingly, and they're all excited, and then they're like, you know, oh, I've gotta move pods, you know, oh, I'll come help you move your pod.
And then the guy's like, that'd be great, yeah, they're coming to move the pod to unit C39 over, you know, about a block from my house.
It's gonna be a lot of work, it's gonna be annoying.
And then, you know, one day there's a knock on the door, and it's like a 6'3", really burly bearded man.
And he's like, Rick, good to see ya!
And he's like, Janet!
And they hug and they kiss, and then they carry the pod out to the new unit.
Then they go back in their pods, and, you know, the big bearded guy is actually a 5'7", blonde woman in the metaverse.
Like, I'm not even kidding.
Like, and it's going to be normal, and people are going to be like, whatever, because their reality, their reality is going to be the metaverse, and the real world-based reality is going to be a chore.
It's going to be ancillary.
It's going to be, like, something they have to deal with.
ian crossland
It's going to hurt.
They're like, oh, gravity hurts!
Yup!
tim pool
It's going to be like, you know when you're, like, at a pool, and then when you get out, you're like, ugh!
No, no, Cole, it's like all of a sudden, when you're in the water, you can move much more easily, and then when you lift up, you're like, whoa, I'm heavy now, and you've got all this water holding you down.
That's what it's gonna feel like.
People are gonna live that way.
It's like in the movie Surrogates, where there's that hot blonde woman, and then the machine blows her head up.
They go to the apartment, and it turns out it's this morbidly obese guy who's in the machine hooking up with dudes.
ian crossland
There's something to that in the age of gender fluidity, where you can be any gender, and you can pick your avatar, kind of.
I mean, it totally synergizes with what you're saying.
tim pool
Yeah, yep.
luke rudkowski
What do you think?
What's the future going to look like in a few years from now?
unidentified
So, from a technological aspect, you know, you have the famous Moore's Law, but what you find... So, I think this might be a problem of our progeny.
I don't know.
I'm not convinced it's going to happen so fast, because technological innovation in the electronics space is actually slowing down.
There's only... So, you have a circuit board, and there's only so many transistors that you can pack on there.
So, it's probably going to take something like a Neuralink technology, you know, totally flip the board over start working on like brain electrodes because in terms of like improvement of technology the idea it is no longer exponential and it hasn't been for for quite some time it's actually eventually going to flatten out because this this circuit board technology it's already like
done by robots and microscopic, there's literally like no more room for these electrons.
tim pool
Transistors have become so small that electrons aren't even falling on the path, they're jumping off and moving between things.
ian crossland
They're using sound now as a waveguide to force the electrons along the path so they don't actually have to use, I don't want to get this wrong, I don't know more about it, but they're using sound to guide the light.
unidentified
Yes, so with a Neuralink, if you're doing brain surgery, then who knows where this takes off?
But if you're trying to use your Oculus to expand into the metaverse, I don't see it as being something so similar to human life through that platform.
But again, when you're dealing with the brain, who knows what could happen.
tim pool
So what if, in the future, we stop making, you know, computer chips and we start growing brain matter?
And then you're like, dude, the new Ryzen Threadripper 5000 organic And it's just like a brain.
In a vat.
And it's got like ports and everything.
No, no, no.
luke rudkowski
We start having cone heads.
Just like in the Hollywood movies.
Why?
tim pool
Because there's also... We're using our own brains as our desktops?
Is that what you're saying?
unidentified
No, no, no.
luke rudkowski
Just like in the Conehead movie.
Their brains just start expanding upwards.
tim pool
And there's also... That wasn't in the Conehead movie.
luke rudkowski
Uh, yes it was.
tim pool
No, they were just aliens with cone heads.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
We could become their brains.
They probably had bigger brains.
No?
Right?
They have bigger brains.
tim pool
I don't know.
luke rudkowski
But there's also a set of human beings that are recorded with their skeletons having cone heads.
tim pool
That's if they were doing elongation and stuff.
luke rudkowski
Some people are debating that, but there's also some other interesting theories by Brian Forrester that contradict that theory as well.
I don't know what the truth is, but if we're going to be expanding brains, I'm pretty sure it's going to be cone heads.
tim pool
You know, I was thinking, but I think what we should do is, now that VAX mandates are normal, we should actually just have a metaverse mandate.
And then we should have to send the government out to forcefully neural link chip people's brains and plug them in against their will.
Because once you connect them to Metaverse and you can control their thoughts, you can take away the pain and then they'll like it.
All we have to do is chase people down while chanting, one of us, one of us.
And they'll be scared at first, but as soon as you infect them with the Metaverse, they'll easily calm down and then join you in your quest to transform everyone else into a singular being.
luke rudkowski
You know, just like The Independent says, we have to de-radicalize the hardcore anti-vaxxers and treat them like terrorists.
tim pool
I don't know what that has to do with it.
luke rudkowski
That's The Independent.
It's all for the greater good, Tim.
unidentified
Send them to the metaverse in the name of health.
tim pool
For the greater good, right now we'll read superchats.
If you haven't already, get in that superchat, smash that like button.
If you haven't already, smash that like button.
Do it for Ian.
luke rudkowski
Do it for me.
tim pool
Do it for Ian.
And go to TimCast.com, become a member.
We're gonna have a members-only segment coming up at around 11 or so p.m.
Let's read what you got.
We got Public News Choice says, buy yourself a beer, Tim.
Always enjoy tuning in when I get off work.
Hey, appreciate it, man.
We actually just started getting a bunch of new beers from a new brewery.
lydia smith
We have lots, yes.
tim pool
What is it called?
It's Old 690 Brewery?
ian crossland
There's one now.
tim pool
Old 690.
So it's a local brewery, but apparently they're a freedom-loving brewery.
Yeah.
They love freedom.
lydia smith
Pretty good beer.
tim pool
Yeah, we met some of the owners and we talked to them.
They were really cool.
One of the family members is a fan of the show and we went and grabbed a whole mess load of their beers.
We might actually do a brew with them.
ian crossland
Oh, that sounds fun!
tim pool
A Timcast Castle specific brew of some sort.
ian crossland
I had a raspberry one, I think.
tim pool
Raspberry wheat.
ian crossland
That was incredible.
luke rudkowski
You gotta call it like beanie juice.
ian crossland
Beanie juice.
tim pool
No, nothing like that.
No, I think we can make something good.
We have, yeah, we have a blonde and we've, and so we do have that.
I don't really drink all that much, but I did drink a little bit recently just for the holidays.
So I've been having a good time, you know?
We've got these, these, these, uh, the new brews and I think, um, gotta try them out.
You gotta try both.
I need to have a blonde one.
Maybe I'll have one tomorrow.
Alright, let's see.
Beatboop says Tim would enjoy Arcane Season 1.
It follows a nation named Piltover and its slum that is attempting to break away and create its own nation.
Good night.
Ooh, interesting.
I'll check it out.
Isn't that the League of Legends show?
unidentified
No idea.
tim pool
Yeah, Arcane.
lydia smith
Arcane?
Don't know.
tim pool
Cliff says, did anyone else ever notice the Omicron variant when unjubled actually spells out Veronic?
Yes.
Yeah, a lot of people have pointed that out, I guess.
luke rudkowski
Michael O'Tracey said that we should be calling Omnicron the... What was the variant?
Hold on, I actually written it down because it's a very... Is that good, huh?
It was pretty good.
He wants it to be like, oh, come on, variant.
Oh, come on now, variant.
tim pool
You know what I'm excited for?
I'm actually really excited for the Omega variant.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because it sounds so like...
Dark and scary.
Like a sci-fi dystopia.
Would it be cool to be living in a sci-fi dystopia?
ian crossland
I think we do.
luke rudkowski
That's a joke, that's a joke.
tim pool
But we're gonna get to the point.
So a lot of people said they skipped the Xi variant and the Nu variant.
They skipped a whole bunch.
They skipped tons.
ian crossland
Beta?
tim pool
I don't remember Beta.
Beta was around in Lambda.
But I was looking at the Greek alphabet and I'm like, they just skipped over like seven variants.
ian crossland
Theta?
tim pool
Do they have a Theta?
I don't know.
All I know is, like, the Omega variant.
You know, that's gonna be cool.
Fowge is gonna come out and be like, I'm warning you everyone, the Omega variant is here!
I am the Omega!
The Omega.
It's like 100% transmissible.
I am the Alpha.
ian crossland
I am the Omega.
I am the science.
tim pool
That sounds like something to say.
Tina Collette says, as a resident of Wyoming, I can say most people agree Liz Cheney does not speak for Wyoming and probably will be looking to move elsewhere when her term is over soon.
Why don't y'all like recall or impeach her?
unidentified
Huh.
ian crossland
I need to look into the crimes of the Cheney family and Halliburton and getting us into Iraq and then make sure that people that do that don't stay in positions of power and politics and their family... I don't know about barring their family from politics, but...
tim pool
Aren't there enough people in Wyoming who don't like Liz Cheney to just recall her?
unidentified
Tim, you have a good book on your shelf there called Rigged by Molly Hemingway.
And guess where Molly Hemingway is from?
Wyoming.
lydia smith
Is she really?
unidentified
Yeah.
We gotta get her to run.
We're trying, we're trying!
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
These people live in a weird, paranoid, delusional reality.
I don't know what it's about.
no matter who people that Trump was not trying to start an insurrection.
Almost all of Reddit's main politics sub is about Trump and January 6th.
Yeah, I know.
These people live in a weird, paranoid, delusional reality.
I don't know what it's about.
unidentified
Yup.
tim pool
Okay, what happened?
Did you just freeze on me?
Okay.
Also, I think the vaccine mandates are actually triggering a rise in a civil war.
unidentified
I think so.
tim pool
or a Chris Wallace impression, eh?
Either they're both establishment trash, either way.
Also, I think the vaccine mandates are actually triggering a rise in a civil war.
I think so.
Yeah, Chris Wallace and Mitch McConnell could basically be the same impersonation, right?
unidentified
It's interesting to hear about these vax mandates.
I mean, I live in South Florida, I've lived there for a year, and no one was really wearing masks around me or anything, and we've all been okay.
Florida actually has the lowest COVID cases per capita in the nation, and has had for like two months now, without these mandates.
tim pool
And yet if you watch Jimmy Kimmel, he's like, DeSantis is Governor Omicron, and he's gonna get everyone sick and they're gonna die, and I'm like, Do people really believe that?
Like, the CDC shows Florida has the lowest amount of cases.
They've done a really great job.
But that's the paranoid, delusional reality they live in, huh?
The Golden Gorilla says, Luke says Dems and Republicans are two heads on the same snake.
My version is, they're different cheeks on the same ass.
unidentified
That works.
luke rudkowski
And they both, you know, relinquish a lot of waste.
tim pool
Two cheeks on the same ass.
That's a pretty good one.
unidentified
I like that.
luke rudkowski
And they're full of crap.
tim pool
And they're full of crap.
Oh, that's great.
Wow.
You gotta make a shirt.
That's not really a shirt we would make.
You should make that.
luke rudkowski
I don't know if they'll allow me to have butt cheeks on my shirt.
unidentified
It might confuse people if it's on the chest area.
tim pool
Maybe there's another way to do it.
luke rudkowski
There's a lot of words here.
I don't know, do you have, like, Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell's face tattooed on someone's butt?
Two cheeks, one ass?
tim pool
Two cheeks, one ass.
lydia smith
That sounds great.
tim pool
No, it could be, like, a donkey, you know?
It could be a donkey and its cheeks, and it's a Democrat or Republican.
Two cheeks and the same ass.
luke rudkowski
It has to be.
Oh, there you go.
tim pool
There you go.
Green Jean says, do you support Article 5?
If so, why don't you discuss a Convention of States more often to get your audience involved?
ian crossland
Hey.
tim pool
I say it all the time.
ian crossland
Shout out to the Convention of States.
If you want to get something done, get the politicians to do something that they're not going to vote for themselves to do, like term limits or cutting their salaries, that's what Convention of States is for.
tim pool
Yeah.
What I often say is we need to vote local.
You need to vote your city council, your school board, you gotta vote for your mayor, you gotta vote for your state reps, your state senators, you gotta vote for your governors, and you gotta vote for everybody else, and you gotta primary.
You gotta make sure you're in the party primary so you can make sure these establishment, uniparty shills don't get elected.
But if people focus on state-level elections, senators and reps, then you will get a convention of states, and the federal government becomes a side note.
So, there you go.
Slot B Joe says, please tell Luke that it's exacerbated, not exacerbated.
luke rudkowski
Listen, I'm going to pronounce words like I want to pronounce words.
If I want to say exacerbate, I'm going to say exacerbate.
Maybe I'm doing it on purpose.
tim pool
Yeah, Luke speak good and whatever.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I speak good.
tim pool
Speak good.
lydia smith
So good.
tim pool
Waffle Sensei says, Tim, I appreciate the attempted white pill, bro, but none of my lefty friends have any idea what's happening with the economy.
It's like they believe it's not happening.
This is correct.
They live in a paranoid, delusional state.
I don't know what to tell you.
That's why I say the factions and the culture war and everything are not left and right.
I am on the left.
Of Vosh and Hassan when it comes to corporate power and the commons.
When it comes to social media platforms.
Literally.
I believe that the public should be in control of public spaces where communications happen.
And I don't believe that massive multinational private corporations should have the right to eject people from the commons.
But they actually disagree with that.
So they're more in favor of private property in that capacity for whatever reason.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm not understanding their positions.
We'd have a conversation about it.
But the real issue is there are people who believe CNN and there are people who don't.
There's your narrative.
But I shouldn't say CNN.
It's actually the establishment narrative.
Rhino says, watched a YouTube video earlier, and MIT has a program called World 3 that predicted the downfall of civilization around 2040.
Then they mentioned we are on the fast track.
I remember we talked about that, didn't we?
ian crossland
I don't remember.
tim pool
Yeah, we talked about MIT's predicting total societal collapse.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
It's been a while, yeah.
ian crossland
World 3, that's the first I put a name to it.
tim pool
All right.
Jess Video says, Jordan, great to see you somewhere besides the Steve Deese show.
Hooked him up with him so he can have him on his show.
Always great seeing you, man.
Keep up the good work.
unidentified
Really appreciate that.
Steve Dace is a great show on Blaze TV.
tim pool
There you go.
BCisMe says, write a song for Step on Snack and find out.
Done!
We will do that.
I could probably write something like that in five minutes.
I'll pick four chords and I'll just sing it off the top of my head and I'll probably, you know, probably be able to crank that one out.
But, uh, you know.
Moose Code says, Tim ever heard of Second Life?
Yes, I have.
It is a metaverse launched in 2003.
People have already gotten married and provided services for money ever since.
Yeah, it was mostly viewed as kind of like an MMO though, wasn't it?
Not an RPG, but a massive multiplayer online game.
MMOG?
ian crossland
Yeah, MMO... You could say it was an RPG, but it was basically like a digital space where you had an avatar.
But Mark Zuckerberg didn't put his weight behind it, and Elon Musk wasn't trying to drill a hole It wasn't metaverse in that there wasn't cryptocurrency, like currency wasn't involved yet.
There wasn't any AI involved and social networking wasn't integrated really.
I mean the game itself was kind of an insulated social network.
tim pool
All right, Atarka says, hey everyone, could y'all share and help my friends go fund me?
I set up, she is now hospitalized due to COVID and a lot of people won't help because she has had the vaccine.
It's called Helping Jordan Get Her Life Better by Nick Downs.
I gotta tell you, man, like some of the data that I've read about COVID, I really do think the initial short-term lockdown was the right thing to do.
I'm talking about two weeks to slow the spread.
The problem was you give someone an inch, they'll take a mile.
So when I was talking to someone recently about the data, Having had COVID and going through it, I'm like, we all agreed that the first, when they said 15 days to slow the spread, we were all kind of like, okay, we get it.
You know, it's because we don't want hospitals to be overwhelmed.
And that is all true.
Overwhelming hospitals means people die of other things too.
But then you get Democratic governors killing old people.
You get a whole bunch of really bad stuff happening.
And so now the challenge is, if you could go back in time and say no, no, no, no, to any of the authority, emergency powers and lockdowns, would you do it?
The problem is, you know, hindsight is 20-20.
We don't know what would have happened, but I kind of think that the abuse of power we've seen so far is not worth the exchange.
That means people would have lost their lives, though.
So, I don't know, man.
It's tough.
They're still losing their lives.
I guess if Cuomo, with Cuomo and these other governors killing all these elderly, maybe we would have been better off just not locking down at all.
luke rudkowski
You know, maybe if we had preventative treatments that, you know, actually are preventative and actually were there, maybe then we would have to deal with a lot of the loss.
unidentified
Yeah, the counterexample here is Sweden, Belarus, never locked down.
Florida's doing great.
I don't want to go too big into the weeds on this issue due to the regulations on this issue, but yeah, Sweden and Belarus never locked down.
Florida locked down for, they barely locked down, did like a couple weeks It's interesting when you trace back the two weeks of stop spread it's essentially traced back to this like random school educator that was running like this online school and he had a medium post that went viral and then of course the initial idea of the lockdown came in Wuhan China and
Where they had all these bizarre videos coming out and somehow appearing on Western social media platforms.
Like, how did a video out of Wuhan make its way to Instagram?
Kind of weird because no one uses Instagram in China.
So there's a lot of weird questions about this not-lockdown narrative, how it started, what exactly happened in Wuhan, China that they were pushing out all this random social media information and trying to influence the West into locking down.
And sadly, lockdowns are now an accepted fact that, you know, all of these, I guess, progressives and statists say, you know, if there's a COVID problem, we need a lockdown in addition to our vax passports, in addition to our mask mandates.
It's just one totalitarian measure after the next.
And they refuse to admit that they got anything wrong.
And they're just doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on this craziness.
tim pool
But I think they're just like, hey, we can keep expanding our powers.
I don't think they care at all about the data or the metrics.
They're just quite literally like, the more this keeps happening, look at what de Blasio said.
He wants to buy up property for pennies on the dollar and convert it into public housing.
So they don't care about any of this other than, we can exploit this for power.
ian crossland
You think those videos of the whaling people in China, that one ominous video of the howling in the city, and you could hear rattling chains and stuff, you think that was seeded?
You know that video I'm talking about?
unidentified
I can't really expand on it here, but my platform, I've written several stories about this at dossier.substack.com.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about it in the member segment.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more Super Chats.
We got Bailey, and he says, Tim, wondering if you'd do Alaska a solid and try to get Kelly Shibaka on, see if she's worth it like you did for AZ.
Well, you know, with Arizona, I mean, we're in people-on-net-of-conversation, so we won't have a conversation with anybody.
Is Kelly, she's running for governor in Alaska?
lydia smith
Yeah, write that down.
tim pool
Look her up.
Is she running for governor?
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
Well, we'll take a look.
Lin Ross says, Elites plan on creating a metaverse.
One of the key problems is gamers.
We will find ways to exploit our way to infinite wealth or find ways to speedrun to the top of their system.
You know what I used to love, man?
OG World of Warcraft, glitch hopping on top of, you know, Undercity and going underneath Stormwind and doing all these really fun things.
We would go into areas that weren't yet developed.
We would, like, you could look on the map and see an area that's never been developed and we would find a way to break into it.
This is before flying was introduced to the game.
That was the most fun I'd have playing these games.
I'd spend hours exploring this massive virtual world and trying to find ways to get into places you can't get into.
When The Division first came out, there was a way to push through walls using the ballistic shield, and then we went into a bunch of areas where the game hadn't released them yet, and they ban you for it.
And then there was Destiny.
You could use your vehicle, it's called a Sparrow.
If you spawned it at the right spot in front of a wall, it would spawn in the wall and you could move through the wall and go into areas that were unreleased, and they would ban you for it.
And I'm like, the most fun was exploiting and finding these things.
So I tell you this, they come out with a metaverse, it's gonna be only a matter of time before a group of hackers find a way to break through walls.
Think about how crazy the world's gonna be.
When everyone is born, it gets a computer chip, and spends 95% of their lives in the metaverse, but some people find exploits.
That would be like if you went downtown to grab a slice of pizza, and you saw some dude jump 20 feet in the air and then teleport.
You'd be like, what?
How did he do that?
ian crossland
Dude, you're making me think of auto-warm beer.
High school student that went to North Korea and stole a flag and they threw him in North Korean prison.
He basically wasted away and died of what they said, botulism.
So a kid's gonna go in the metaverse from age 2 to 12 and then all of a sudden he's gonna find an exploit and get banned.
And he's gonna wake up and start screaming and crying and realizing that his entire life has been taken from him and then commit suicide.
tim pool
I don't know.
I think if Metaverse becomes our entire lives, it would be like you'd get a suspension.
And so what they would do is you'd be locked out of a ton of features.
You couldn't go to certain areas and you'd be like, oh man, and it would be like a three month thing.
Yeah.
ian crossland
We need a constitution and a government and like a decentralized organization of power for something like that, because that is someone's life.
tim pool
Ian, it's a private company.
They can do what they want.
ian crossland
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
And you don't need to raise your children.
You can just put a VR system on them that raises them for you.
That's going to be creepy.
Indoctrination public school centers in VR.
tim pool
It's Matrix, bro.
Kids are going to be born into it and they never want to leave.
There's going to be like, it's 50 years.
The guy's going to be like, my, my, my, my pod needs to be moved.
They're like, ah, dude, that sucks.
I know.
All right.
Well, give me a few minutes.
I'll deal with this.
It's going to be like miserable to have to leave.
ian crossland
First baby's gonna be born in the metaverse.
They're gonna like, we wanted to deliver a baby in the metaverse and the baby's gonna be pre-wired to be in the verse before it even is out of the womb.
So you'll see the whole process.
luke rudkowski
The baby will come out and... The adult content that already is on the internet.
Imagine that being...
tim pool
Here's an important one.
Sarah Roberts says, I'm paralyzed from the shoulders down and have been for seven years.
But the idea of having a chip implanted into my head doesn't sit well.
It could be amazing, but it could also go very wrong.
Now I'll say, in my opinion, for people who are paralyzed, if I had a spinal injury, I'd take the chip in two seconds.
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
I don't know.
I don't think I would.
I think I would join this super chatter to be honest with you.
I'm saying that now.
I'm not in that position, but from that kind of perspective, I think I would take her position.
ian crossland
After like a year of like 10,000 people getting up and walking that are had paralyzation or... It's hard to say because I'm not in her shoes, but I understand where she's coming from.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I'd do it.
I'd be like, Elon, help.
Wire me up.
ian crossland
I want to walk.
unidentified
What?
lydia smith
You're not paralyzed though.
tim pool
If I was paralyzed, I would take the chip.
ian crossland
Dude, we're healing the blind, the deaf.
tim pool
If you lost your eyes, would you get that thing that Jordy had, the visor from Star Trek?
Would you implant the thing in your temples?
ian crossland
I would do anything.
Anything.
To heal my vision at that point.
tim pool
Okay, so think about that, right?
To heal your vision, to gain a sense.
What if they said we could give you an implant that gives you the ability to see electrical fields?
Yeah, dude.
But that would be like getting an elective surgery for no reason.
You can already see.
It's cool, right?
ian crossland
Nah, I'm not into that.
I'm not going to do it just for basic enhancement.
But if I lost a limb or something and I could get it regrown, I'd be into it.
tim pool
That's going to happen in the future.
They're going to give you an enzyme treatment that's going to trigger stem cell regrowth, and then your arm's going to start regrowing, and then you're going to grow back your hand.
ian crossland
You'll be in a back-to-tank of fluid while it regrows over two weeks or something.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's faster.
tim pool
You'll be in the hospital and you'd be like, check it out.
And you're like, people will film time-lapses and put them on Instagram and stuff.
ian crossland
It'll have a tattoo already on it.
tim pool
They're like, would you like anything cool on your new arm?
Oh, can I get like, like a Wolverine claws?
We can do Wolverine claws.
ian crossland
But can you make my elbow a little bit lower?
Yeah, we'll get your elbow set.
tim pool
So there was a funny viral post where a woman said, the craziest thing was when I was getting my prosthetic, they asked me if I'd like to be taller.
And I said, yes.
And now I'm two inches taller.
So when this chick was getting a prosthetic leg, they were like, we can make you taller.
lydia smith
Of course they can.
Do whatever they want.
tim pool
And so because he's made a taller leg and now she's tall.
That's so crazy, right?
Frank says there may be a big backlash with radical Luddite groups attacking tech.
We should just make this movie.
Can we write this?
ian crossland
Radical Luddite?
tim pool
Yeah, where like people are raiding metaverse facilities and Mark Zuckerberg is old and he's like, stop.
You don't understand.
We must do this.
And they're like, screw you, Zuckerberg!
And then they start smashing the servers.
ian crossland
Yeah, the character in the Metaverse is gonna be like, you gotta understand, I'm not who you thought I was.
This is more than what you think it is.
There's an actual universe outside of it.
We need to free you.
luke rudkowski
Trying to free people from the pods and the bug juice that they keep feeding them.
ian crossland
The bug juice.
unidentified
Yeah, this is the post metaverse scenario.
So what happens the metaverse fails?
Have you seen that?
What's that Netflix show where they reprogram their consciousness?
Is that like the post metaverse step?
I forgot what that was called.
luke rudkowski
Was that black mirror?
unidentified
No, no There's like a there's a Netflix series.
There's two seasons now I'm sure someone in the chat knows what it is But but basically like your body is totally separate from your consciousness and they altered carbon altered carbon.
tim pool
Yeah Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
So that could be Metaverse 3.0 after the first Metaverse revolution.
Put it right in your consciousness.
tim pool
Here we go from Waffle Sensei.
Says, Tim, watch Matrix Legends.
It's canon that the humans did choose to be enslaved in a perfect reality.
That was the deal they made to end the war.
Interesting.
I'll check that out.
Maybe that's where the new movie actually goes.
Because I'm wondering, like, how did they do this movie?
I thought they had a truce and, like, the war was over in the last Matrix, and now it's like Neo's taking blue pills or whatever.
I don't know, man.
Mason Wolfey says...
First, the brain chip, and metaverse, then sword art online.
Oh boy, what a dystopia to be alive in.
It's not going to be a dystopia when you are forcefully entered, you know, when they pin you down and inject you with the chip, you know, and connect you to the network, and then you go, ah!
And then all of a sudden you're sitting in class and you're like, what just happened?
And they're gonna be like, bro, the quiz, the lecture, and you're gonna be like, oh, Oh, man.
ian crossland
Oh, what was going on?
tim pool
I can't remember.
It's like, dude, we were just talking about this, and you're like, oh, yeah.
ian crossland
Oh, let's go get lunch, and then you're gonna get... It's like downloading information.
You're like, I don't quite... Oh, I remember.
I remember as the download completes.
Are you guys know Sword Art Online?
No.
It's an anime where they go into a VR world, like the Metaverse, and then they have to fight monsters, and the guy who created it is like, Now that I have you, if you die in the game, you die in real life and you can't log out.
tim pool
Yeah, like traps everybody in the universe.
luke rudkowski
Interesting.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's nuts.
tim pool
People are trapped.
Bitsu says, beliefs of corporate dissidents.
Ian, it's Facebook.
Tim, it's the Metaverse.
Luke, it's the Umbrella Corporation.
luke rudkowski
Pretty much.
tim pool
The Umbrella Corporation.
Kurt Sutter says, let's not forget if Elon chooses or is forced to sell stock in his company for whatever reason, control of his company is slowly transferred to someone else.
Taxation equals loss of control.
That's correct.
Lethal5670 says, Tim, what about a flat tax?
Let's say 25%, no deduction, no loopholes, just a flat tax that everyone pays.
So I think Luke made a really good point about, you know, taxes being bad in general.
My attitude is more just like in the current version of the system.
It doesn't work.
We should do it like a different way.
The issue with the flat tax is basically poor people are negatively impacted by even a light tax.
Like if you're only going to get $200 for the week and you need every penny, then they take out even $20.
That is a kick in the balls.
If you're rich, And you're expecting a million dollars to come in in one month, and they tell you that, and I'm talking profit, like income at the top, and they say, we're taking 80%.
Sure, it sucks, but $200,000 to spend money on?
Bro, I assure you, that person's gonna be like, that's ridiculous, they're taking my $800,000.
I don't even know what to spend any of it on anyway, to be honest.
Granted, I believe the person should be free to choose how they want to allocate their money.
My point is just that rich people do not look at percentages the same way poor people do.
A flat tax, in my opinion, makes no sense.
luke rudkowski
They literally print money out of thin air.
Taxes are just a way to control people.
That's literally it.
tim pool
It's how they effectively pay back what they rip off.
It's how they steal money from you.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Where are we at?
Where are we at?
The Great Anywho says, hey guys, thanks for all the info.
Keep up the good work.
Luke, Google goldbacks.
Luke, you know about goldbacks.
I got a stack of them.
luke rudkowski
I got some.
tim pool
You see some, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, there's gold foil bills.
luke rudkowski
Yep, they're used a lot in New Hampshire with the Free State Project.
People barter with them.
People trade with them.
tim pool
They're worth, I think, in gold, like $2.50 or something.
But I think the actual value of them, because they're coated in plastic, is like $4.
Something like that.
Yep, I got a big stack because they're cool.
It's a Utah Goldbacks.
It's just gold foil.
It's one one thousandth of a troy ounce.
All right, got a big ol' super chat jump.
Adam Davidson says, Tim, have you seen the Dr. McCullough episode on JRE?
I've seen parts of it.
Luke, did you watch it?
luke rudkowski
I was watching a large portion of it.
It was a lot of truth bombs.
It was a major, major interview that is making its rounds on the internet right now.
And he said a lot of very important things, especially about preventative treatments, early treatments.
And I think he really hit the nail on the head with his perspective and his findings.
tim pool
So what you're saying is Joe Rogan is far right?
luke rudkowski
No, he's definitely... I don't think he is.
He interviewed a doctor, a medical professional, that was talking about his findings that of course were the total opposite of what Dr. Fauci was saying.
tim pool
All right.
American Capitalist says, I believe Kelly is running against Lisa Murkowski.
lydia smith
That's correct.
Oh man.
Yeah.
tim pool
I can't stand the Uniparty.
You know, I'm really excited because I feel like no matter what happens, the Uniparty is out.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's kind of where I think, I think where we're going.
Just no more of that establishment crony trash.
It'll just be complaining about AOC and you know what I mean?
No, that's fine.
Whatever.
Well, she's actually still Uniparty.
She, she jumped in the Uniparty as soon as she gave, she was given the chance.
ian crossland
Is she, is she, is she a Trojan horse in the Uniparty?
tim pool
I don't know about a Trojan horse, I think she just willfully was like, I wanna be in the Uniparty!
ian crossland
She's ready to change some stuff.
unidentified
Didn't she, like, audition for her role in Congress?
Wasn't that the big thing?
ian crossland
I don't know about that.
unidentified
Or was that a fake news segment?
lydia smith
It was a theory, I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know if that's true.
But, you know, whatever.
It's like, if you wanna complain about someone's policy positions, fine, but AOC's the worst example, a bad example, because she's very Uniparty, cutthroat, lies, cheats, steals, all that stuff.
Like, I don't mind, you know, progressives who believe things I disagree with, or who I think might be dumb.
Adam Schiff is, like, on a scale of, you know, zero being you're really dumb, and, you know, 100 being you're a really good person who's really smart, and negative 100 being, like, you're pure evil, vile scum.
Like, Adam Schiff is a negative 100.
He's probably one of the worst human beings I have ever seen.
unidentified
Ever.
tim pool
For doing anything.
And I've seen some bad people.
unidentified
Yeah, as long as you're not trying to censor us, I'm happy for you to advocate for whatever you want, as long as it's in, you know, an open forum that's censorship resistant.
So that's the thing about Schiff, is that he is trying to remove all of the critics.
And the January 6th Committee, that's exactly what it's for.
It's to essentially, in my opinion, intimidate people into not opposing them, because you're gonna have problems if you do so.
tim pool
I think they just need a narrative for the midterms.
They just need something to say.
And it's like, it's how they can keep Trump alive.
Like, Trump's not here, he's not in the midterms, and they're like, what can we do to say Trump again?
That's their plan, man.
Tom Penny says, y'all pick on people with blue hair a lot.
I have blue hair.
Ian is great.
Luke, thanks for coming back.
Lydia's base.
Tim's alright.
And then a winky face.
ian crossland
Thanks, dude.
tim pool
What is that supposed to mean?
He's cool for having blue hair.
Yeah, I gotta be honest.
Like, in the Matrix, philosophically, what were the humans fighting for?
They were fighting for autonomy, right?
They didn't want to be in the Matrix, but the machines weren't mistreating the humans.
ian crossland
They didn't want to be slaves to the Matrix.
They didn't seem to mind going into it.
tim pool
This is a crazy idea, right?
That these people were slaves to the Matrix, to the machines, to be used as power, but the reality was so awful, and, like, you'd eat white sludge for food, and, like, you'd be miserable and awful.
But I think the reality is freedom is for the individual, and the individual has a right to choose.
And the problem was the machines took away their right from birth.
So you don't get to take people and tell them I'm going to make your life better as a justification for stripping them of their rights.
luke rudkowski
Wasn't there also another dude who was plugging himself into the Matrix so he could enjoy Trivial... No, that was the bad guy.
tim pool
That was Cypher.
He was trying to... He did that.
He sold them out to get injected back in the Matrix.
luke rudkowski
But I think there was someone else... I think there was a short scene where someone was enjoying something like helicopter riding.
I forgot.
tim pool
We should re-watch the whole... Well, they could plug themselves into their own programs.
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
So you could create programs where you could do really crazy fun things.
Just like the Metaverse.
tim pool
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Could be metaverse propaganda.
tim pool
Very often throughout history, there's been the excuse that stripping people of their rights has been good for them.
You know what I mean?
And sometimes it's been objectively true.
Like, I should say, in the instance of the Matrix, it was objectively true that stripping a person of their rights in the Matrix, they are living a comfortable life in the 1990s, where they could eat food and have steak.
But in the real world, the world was destroyed, so they're objectively better off in the Matrix.
Except you don't have a right to take someone's rights away.
The machines do not have a right to take that choice from them.
If people were born and then told, here's the world and here's the matrix, what would you prefer?
That's a different story.
If people had the right to choose, I'd rather live in the matrix.
And they say, here's what we're going to do.
We're going to wire you up.
You're going to be fed recycled nutrients from other corpses when they age out, and other organic matter.
But you're gonna get to live in a normal reality, like an old reality where you'll flourish and thrive and do your own thing.
Otherwise, you can live in the underbelly of the decaying dead earth eating sludge.
I don't know, what would you guys pick?
luke rudkowski
I like the underdogs.
I'd probably be eating sludge and fighting the machine robots.
tim pool
I'd take the sludge because you could always plug yourself into your own private program and eat steak.
You know what I mean?
luke rudkowski
I don't know why they didn't do that.
tim pool
I know.
The Cypher guy was like, I want to be back in the Matrix.
It's like, bro, you can literally just plug yourself in in the ship and then go anywhere you want and do whatever you want.
Why would you want to be back in the Matrix?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
They don't cook my steak the right way.
luke rudkowski
Your life also has meaning and value when you're fighting for something.
If you're just given everything that you ever wish for, it's valueless.
ian crossland
Right.
We need conflict.
luke rudkowski
We need something, yeah.
tim pool
Alright, let's do one more here.
Chance Justice says, Why not a flat 25% sales tax and no income tax?
Poor can save by not spending, rich pay more for luxuries, and there would be no need for IRS.
Agreed.
We'll do it that way.
luke rudkowski
No taxes.
I don't want taxes.
Stop giving the government money.
They mishandle it and they give it to their friends.
tim pool
That's true.
luke rudkowski
I don't understand.
They're going to give it to Amazon.
They're going to give it to Google and Facebook to build the metaverses and control every aspect of your existence.
No, I'm okay.
Let the free market speak.
Let's have some competition to these monopolies out there.
For frick's sakes.
unidentified
Yeah, the issue with the fiat system is that we're, you know, we're basically powerless in it and we're still kind of rearranging the chairs on the Titanic because ultimately, you know, if we're talking about monetary policy, we're talking about the U.S.
dollar, which we have really no influence upon.
So it's really just kind of a ruling class system, which is, of course, you know, why I like Bitcoin so much.
But in terms of taxation, I just, you know, I keep going back to I'd just rather have an exit ramp.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
What do you mean an exit ramp?
unidentified
I'd rather just decouple the federal government entirely from the economy.
And you cannot do that through reorienting the U.S.
dollar because the U.S.
dollar will always be controlled by the ruling class.
So eventually you're going to have to.
I mean, it's kind of like, you know, a Luke Ancap position.
But the reality is that I think the economy would be much healthier if the state had zero control over the economy.
luke rudkowski
Damn right.
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unidentified
Yeah, if you want to see more of my work, you can check it out at dossier.substack.com.
It's awesome that you have a publishing house.
That's the way to go.
Self-publish.
tim pool
Technically, I guess, sure.
luke rudkowski
So yeah, if you guys want to hear me speak more goodly and more of my Luke-bonics, you can because I just released two videos today.
One on LukeUncensored.com and another one on YouTube.com forward slash WeAreChange.
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And it's great to have some of you guys a part of my audience.
I appreciate being here and it's always a lot of fun.
ian crossland
I love that shirt.
It really pops.
luke rudkowski
Thank you.
ian crossland
It does, yeah.
luke rudkowski
Well, you gotta spread the freedom.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
Literally.
It's coming at me.
Hey guys, thanks for coming.
Ian Crossland, check me out on IanCrossland.net.
Jordan, I wanted to.
It's IanCrossland.net.
And Jordan, I want to shout out your Twitter.
It's Jordan Schachtel.
unidentified
At Jordan Schachtel.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Thanks, appreciate it.
ian crossland
Schachtel, is that how you pronounce it?
unidentified
Correct.
ian crossland
Thanks, man.
Thanks for coming.
unidentified
Good to see you.
Thanks for having me, guys.
lydia smith
Yeah, thank you for coming, Jordan.
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