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Timcast IRL - NBA Players REFUSE Vaccine And Face Calls To Be FIRED w/Jorge Ventura
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tim pool
A couple viral videos showing NBA players calmly and articulately explaining why they
don't want to get the vaccine has a bunch of journalists and Democratic activists and
politicians outraged.
We're even hearing from some other celebrities that they should be kicked off their teams, they should be barred from playing, but there is no mandate, apparently, in the NBA.
I don't think we're going to see National Guard being deployed to replace NBA players who are being fired.
But over in North Carolina, we have the biggest, the largest mass termination of hospital workers due to refusal to get the vaccine.
175 plus workers in North Carolina hospital.
And I'm just, I just don't understand.
Why are medical workers such anti-vaxxers?
Why are they saying now that there's a massive portion of New York medical workers who have been fired over this vaccine mandate?
These are people who literally work in the hospitals.
Don't you think they would be the least likely to oppose getting the vaccine?
Perhaps.
It's just about freedom.
They're like, you know, we don't believe that you should be able to mandate medical treatments.
Or perhaps, as medical experts, they have a different expert opinion, one that doesn't align with the mainstream.
Well, we're going to talk about this.
We're also going to talk about a lot of what's going on down at the border, because we have one of the weirdest stories I've seen.
Texas Border Patrol uncovers a safe house of like a hundred illegal immigrants, and the subheader says from Fox News, and they weren't wearing PPE.
Cause that's what we're worried about.
Cause the border patrol agents come to a house and there's a hundred people jammed inside of it and they're like, they're not wearing COVID protective gear.
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
We got problems.
So we are being joined by a couple of journalists who are down at the border recently, actually, with, with some evidence of what's going on there.
It's crazy stuff.
Do you guys want to, you want to introduce yourself Jorge first?
unidentified
Yeah.
jorge ventura
I'm a Jorge Ventura, a field reporter for the Daily Caller.
sagnik basu
I'm Sagnig Basu.
I'm a producer for The Daily Caller.
tim pool
You guys were down there on the ground watching what was going on?
jorge ventura
Yeah, we've been covering the border crisis as soon as it began.
We were also covering the Haitian migrants in Rio and just basically seeing this whole thing unfold little by little.
Yeah, it's been crazy documented.
tim pool
You actually brought us a bag of the bracelets that the smugglers, the human traffickers, make people wear.
We'll get into all this, but you want to hold one up just so people can see what it is.
For those that are listening, you can't see anything, but those on YouTube, you can see they make the smugglers make people wear these bracelets.
lydia smith
A bunch of them.
tim pool
So we'll get into that.
That's crazy stuff.
We got Ian.
He's chilling.
ian crossland
Man, seeing that bracelet was like one of the most grounding, kind of like smashed into reality things I've felt in a while.
Thanks.
That's busted up, man.
The trafficking kids.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Yeah, I took a bunch of them because they're really interesting and they say different things, so we will get into them over the course of the show.
I'm really looking forward to this because this is something that needs to be discussed right now.
tim pool
It's creepy stuff.
For sure.
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Let's talk about some NBA, because this is really pissing off a lot of people.
We got the story from the Black Wall Street Times.
Access is a new civil right, they say.
With no mandate, some NBA players refusing COVID vaccine ahead of season.
They say, the most popular question that players have been asked has been concerning their vaccination status.
Currently, there is no mandate from the league for the players to be vaccinated.
League spokesman Mike Bass told ESPN, quote, a vaccine mandate for NBA players would need an
agreement with the player association. The NBA has made these proposals, but the players union
has rejected any vaccination requirement. Most NBA players are vaccinated, but stragglers remain.
Roughly 90% of NBA players are vaccinated as training camp approaches, according to league sources, but tensions are growing between staffers who are vaccinated and players who refuse them.
In some instances, staffers said they're upset the players aren't facing the same vaccine requirements as most team staff and referees.
In other instances, staffers said they're concerned about the health risks of being exposed to unvaccinated players.
Two of the league's biggest stars, Bradley Beal and Kyrie Irving, both said they were not vaccinated during their team's media day.
And I just got to say, guys, you need to stop fighting this.
Us rich people are exempt from all of this.
NBA stars, famous podcast hosts.
Yo, look at the Met Gala.
Just accept your fate.
You know, AOC doesn't got to wear a mask.
All of the surfans do.
All right?
This is the direction that we're going.
I'm kidding, by the way.
I'm half kidding.
It's true though!
Like, NBA players are like, we're not gonna do it.
Meanwhile, the support staff are being forced to do it.
jorge ventura
Yeah, it's one of the more interesting stories and, you know, I don't see any National Guard coming in to replace Kyrie Irving that could average 25 points in 8 assists a game.
But it's really interesting with the NBA because it actually first started off with, you know, for folks who don't know, like LeBron James has massive power over the league.
It's almost like whatever he said kind of sways and he actually came out and like didn't want to get the vaccine.
I think he just got vaccinated, but he didn't want to get the vaccine.
And that kind of forced the Players Association to say, you know what, no mandate.
So it's really interesting to see, and especially the star players speak out, so like a Bradley Beal, Kyrie Irving, who hold a lot of weight.
That's going to be interesting to see.
Andrew Wiggins, who is the shooting guard for the Warriors in Oakland, he applied for the religious exemption and got it denied.
So now he could only play away games.
I'm really curious just to see how that's going to turn out.
tim pool
Only away games.
ian crossland
It's interesting the difference between the NFL and the NBA.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Because like in the NBA, you have five guys can win you a championship for the most part.
I mean, you do have a bench, but it's five guys.
But the NFL, you need 12.
So the star power is much greater in the NBA.
One individual like LeBron can command a team and a league.
jorge ventura
Yeah, and the NBA, they need those star players to fill those seats.
In the NBA, those star players are more rare than the NFL.
So it's really interesting to see the Kyries, Bradley Beal, and other players come out and speak out.
Because Bradley Beal just had a media day, and he said, hey, you know what?
I already had COVID.
I have the antibodies.
And then he looked at the media and said, I assume all you guys are vaccinated, yet you can still get it.
So like I said, it's interesting right now just with the mandates and all this stuff.
I'm curious of what's going to happen to Andrew Wiggins, because now the owner might be like, you know what?
If you're not going to get vaccinated and I can only use you on the road, I'm going to just release you, then just pick up another guy who's willing to call into... Yeah, but he's got a contract, right?
tim pool
They can't just do that.
jorge ventura
Yeah, and he's a good player.
It's not like he's like a guy you just kind of, like I said, no National Guard is going to come in for Andrew Wiggins.
Puts him 15 points and 10 boards a game.
tim pool
You know, there's a lot of protests.
There was a video from a couple of days ago where people in Staten Island who are unvaccinated, like, stormed into a mall and were chanting USA because New York has the vaccine mandate.
But you see little pockets here and there.
You can Google it.
You can find the stories of a few hundred people.
I don't think it's enough to stop government overreach.
You know, the government's going to mandate that people are going to follow suit.
jorge ventura
I agree.
I actually thought that the turnouts would be much larger.
We haven't seen them now.
I've covered a few of these anti-mandate protests back in California.
One thing that I've noticed, at least from the protests that I've covered, is the first responder community is really against the mandate.
I'm talking about nurses, police officers.
Like I said, the story I think to watch out right now is the L.A.
County firefighters are now going to be suing the county, and they are really stepping up and saying, we're not doing this.
So I think that could be a turning point for a lot of first responders, depending on how that firefighter case goes.
tim pool
I'm not convinced that's going to affect the public the way Kyrie Irving would.
You've got the NBA, and what happens if some owner is like, I'm not gonna use you for these games because you're refusing to get vaccinated?
No, they can't do it.
They've got star power on their hands.
When celebrities like Nicki Minaj come out, all of a sudden their fans don't care about your tribe, they don't care about science, they don't care about whatever your rules are, they're just like, Big fan Nicki Minaj.
She said it.
We're done.
And they'll start tweeting in support of her.
Love you, Nicki.
You're the best.
Especially with these NBA stars.
Now LeBron, I guess, came out, you know, and he was praising China.
Oh, I'm sorry.
That was a while ago.
He came out and was saying, you know, that he, I guess he got vaccinated and he's supportive of it.
So that will have a lot of weight.
But I gotta say, you know, when I watch some of these viral videos, I feel like regular people are gonna see this, and those vocal people in the NBA or of high status are gonna, for one, probably a lot of people will just blindly agree with them.
There's probably a lot of people who are gonna be like, I'm a big fan, dude.
Yeah, whatever you say.
But there's gonna be a lot of people now who will feel less scared.
They're going to be like, if they can do it, so can I. I can speak up.
I can stand up for myself.
And it's really interesting to see, there were protests, big protests in New York.
I'm surprised to see protests in New York over this.
I mean, New York is a Democrat stronghold, but you see New Yorkers holding up signs.
I kind of feel like The media is lying about the sentiment on this one.
If the bluest place in the country, New York City, I think it's the bluest place.
Maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe it's San Francisco.
I don't know.
But a particularly Democrat place has thousands of protesters.
Certainly regular people are like, yo, the vaccines are great, but you can't force people to take these things, right?
ian crossland
I've had, for the last, I think, week, when I go into Twitter, what's happening?
First thing that shows up is, Biden's vaccine mandate for workers is supported by legal precedence, experts say.
And that same headline and thing keeps popping up every day, like they're trying to convince me of it.
So there, obviously, it kind of supports, I think it supports what you're saying, that I think that the media is forcing the narrative, or attempting to.
tim pool
That is such a manipulative propaganda thing, because you can argue that the legislature can put in rules for OSHA, but not Biden by decree.
sagnik basu
The problem is like when the media does this thing, they are not exactly able to convince like normal schmucks who are watching TV to be like, oh now the media said it, let's go and get the vaccine.
It's more about Like private organizations like restaurants and like club owners, they're thinking that, oh, is this the mass sentiment?
Now we have to mandate it.
I went to Brooklyn literally this Saturday and I had to show my Vax card in one club and in order to get into a yacht.
So they are mandating it left, right and center.
And I think like the way the private organizations get their information is that they watch media and they think that, oh, this is the sentiment.
So we need to follow the laws.
And then they just like just imply with it.
tim pool
Well that's why it's big if the NBA stars and celebrities are coming out and they're speaking out against this.
jorge ventura
I thought the Nicki Minaj thing was huge.
tim pool
It was a wild news cycle.
jorge ventura
Just that crossover with her and Tucker is exactly what we needed.
I wish Trump had his Twitter because I just wanted to see what he would even say about Nicki Minaj.
tim pool
He would be like, Nicki Minaj, one of the greatest rappers of all time, everyone agrees, is standing up for the rights of the working class.
jorge ventura
But I was, yeah, I love that week because I remember just watching Tucker and he would just, he would be like crazy and naked and he would just bash the whole GOP.
He'd be like, why is Nikki braver than any GOP representative?
unidentified
It's true.
jorge ventura
You always have like those Republicans like, oh, but she's, you know, pro-abortion.
It's like, that doesn't matter right now.
Like right now we're, this is an area where you could win over a lot of people when it comes to this.
This is body autonomy.
sagnik basu
win over people in the hip hop community like Nikki says something about right
and about the thing like you know 90% black probably like and they will like
roll with it like but you saw people exactly pushing back Nikki is like hey
she needs to be like shut down now like we did it was huge I think Jay-z Jay-z
jorge ventura
just had a meeting with the new mayor of New York and it was all like oh I'm
talking to her of how we could give me the governor yeah the governor and he
was like oh I was talking to her about how we could uh you know get more of our
of our people in our community vaccinated.
So it's like, it's big when Nikki could come out and step out against that narrative even.
I love that she was speaking about censorship and then she like blasts those journalists.
sagnik basu
Hassan Piker got railwayed, Nikki.
That was the best day ever.
Like, out of all people.
jorge ventura
No, my favorite thing, like, the reason why I was so much on the Nikki train is like, if you could drive Joy Reid crazy on MSNBC, I am on your team.
So I love watching Joy just freak out.
tim pool
Hassan's response to Nikki was that Tucker was a white nationalist.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
And I'm like, here's a guy who has nothing to say for this conversation.
Hassan is just like, if that's his hot take for this, it has nothing to do with the issues of liberty, freedom, medical, public health.
It's just literally like, Well, that guy's a white nationalist.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Excellent commentary on the issue.
Brilliant.
unidentified
Yeah.
jorge ventura
And then we're also seeing with, uh, with the college universities, it's like, even with the mandates, they're still seeing COVID outbreaks.
Like Duke, Duke university had like a, an outbreak of like over 300, uh, kids tested positive for COVID and only eight of those kids were unvaccinated.
So even you're, you're seeing it in Duke University, you're seeing a lot of these universities where like their vaccination rate is like at 99 or, you know, 98%.
Like I was even reading, uh, Harvard just went to like online classes for three weeks and they're like, their vaccination rate is like at 97%.
tim pool
Let me, let me, let me pull this up real quick.
CBS News, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar says NBA players who refuse the COVID vaccine should be disciplined.
Disciplined.
These people are insane.
jorge ventura
Get in line, boy.
tim pool
They're, they're, they're genuinely nuts.
jorge ventura
Yes, Stephen A. Smith on ESPN was coming out and saying, Oh, you need to trade Kyrie Irving.
It's like, that's, that's just the kind of world we're living.
It's like, you like step out of that narrative and they attack you.
It's like, man, it's not even about, like I said, even the places that are, we're seeing the most vaccinated rates, there's still outbreaks.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is what's concerning me.
If that trend continues, what you're pointing out in the colleges, and that people keep getting these breakthrough cases after vaccination, then at what point will people say, stop mandating this if there's still going to be breakouts anyway?
Because they don't mandate flu shots.
You can get a flu shot and it can help you, but you can still get the flu.
I have two questions.
tim pool
I'm seeing all over Twitter, they're like, the unvaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated, right?
They're like, we got to protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated.
sagnik basu
Which makes no sense.
tim pool
And a lot of people on the left are saying like, you know, if we're going to get through this and everyone has to be vaccinated, otherwise there'll be variants.
And I'm like, like the flu?
Like the flu vaccine that nobody gets?
Like a lot of people get it, the flu shot every year.
jorge ventura
The COVID-19 vaccine is the first vaccine in the world that doesn't work unless you have it too.
tim pool
Well, no, no, I'm not talking about, I understand the point they're making.
There'll be variants, right?
sagnik basu
Yeah.
tim pool
Because it'll, it'll, you know, fester within certain communities and then eventually can, you know, the vaccine stops working, but we don't even do that for the flu.
So what's different here?
Like, no, no, I get it.
I get COVID is worse.
I get it's like, you know, it's scary.
People can't breathe and stuff like that.
But we're not talking about airborne Ebola.
Is it just like, because it is novel, all of a sudden we're like, this is the one where everyone's got to get the vaccine or what?
jorge ventura
Yeah, I don't know.
We're in some interesting times.
And then we're also seeing the push for the booster shot.
So the FDA just recently came out and they didn't approve it for everyone.
I think they only approve it for 65 and older.
It's also interesting to see how the other countries react.
So the president of Mexico came out and said, we are not vaccinating anyone under 12 years old.
We're not letting big pharma play a role in this, which I was like, wow.
And he's a leftist, almost as a leftist.
So he came out and spoke out against it.
That's what I'm interesting to see is there the Pfizer's making that push to get like five and five to twelve year olds vaccinated Which is like just I mean there we haven't seen any data that they need it.
sagnik basu
No risk whatsoever.
tim pool
Yeah Now there's well, we won't say no risk, but it is like very very very minimal Yeah, and I guess the issue is they're concerned kids will get it and then transfer it to old people or so Yeah, but I got to say you've got There's, interestingly, two main camps in this.
There's... Well, actually, at this point, I don't even think it's anti-vax.
I think it's mostly anti-mandate.
I think most people actually agree.
It's fine.
Get it.
But the weird question is, like, why are you making literally everyone get it?
It doesn't make sense.
Why are they forcing everyone to do it?
The big thing that they're not telling you... Joe Biden comes out and he said, you know, 98% of people got to be vaccinated to go back to normal.
What they're not telling you is that a large portion of those who aren't vaccinated live in the middle of nowhere.
So it's like, you can see an NBA player and ask him like, why won't you get the vaccine?
And they'll say, well, I've had it before.
I have the antibodies.
The government should mandate this.
But what they're not showing you when they say like, you know, a quarter of people, Biden's like a quarter of people haven't gotten it.
It's like, yeah, you know, like Jim Bob, who lives up on the mountain, who's got no neighbors and is a homesteader, is like not going to drive into a city to risk himself during a pandemic just to get a vaccine that would reduce the risk he doesn't have because he lives in the middle of nowhere.
They don't take into consideration rural living.
Homesteaders, farms, people who don't go into cities, and people who are talking to their doctors and for medical reasons aren't getting it.
They're just blankets saying, everyone's gotta get it!
You know, that makes no sense.
Why would someone who lives in rural Wyoming be concerned about getting sick when they don't see anybody for six months?
They're probably like, I'm not even gonna see a doctor to give me the vaccine!
But they include those people in all these numbers too.
jorge ventura
Yeah, and like in California, you know, LA County, which is one of the bigger counties in the United States, LA County is so big that like, it's not just like the city of LA.
There's a bunch of rural communities in LA County.
So it, for us, it didn't make sense to see that, you know, they would like shut down all these businesses and it affected even the rural communities, um, you know, in the middle of nowhere that like you said that they're not connected to the city, you know, it's a, it's like a one size fits all.
Which has just been gentlemental then.
You know, L.A.
County too was the only county out of all of the United States to make the restaurants close out their indoor and also outdoor dining.
They were the only county that did take out only as well and it affected the rural communities that are not even near the city.
tim pool
So we got this story from The Hill.
Sage Steele says she only took vaccine because of ESPN's sick and scary mandate.
This is interesting.
ESPN anchor said she only got it because of the mandate, which she described as sick and scary.
During an appearance on Uncut with Jay Cutler, Steele told the former NFL quarterback that she ultimately got the vaccine so she wouldn't be removed from programming.
I didn't want to do it, but I work for a company that mandates it and had until September 30th to get it done or I'm out.
I respect everyone's decision, I really do, but to mandate is sick.
And it's scary to me in many ways.
I'm not surprised it got to this point, especially with Disney.
I mean, a global company like that, she added.
Steele has previously drawn criticism for mocking mask mandates, responding to statistics showing that more children have been shot in Chicago than died of COVID, she wrote, but yes, let's keep masking up our children.
I'll tell you this, man, if I still worked for Disney and they mandated this, I'd be like, yay, I break my contract, I am out.
I'll tell you.
Respect for speaking out.
Because the more higher profile people speak out about freedom.
And it's not about the vaccine.
I think the vaccine's fantastic.
It's about the government mandating a medical procedure.
And I think what you see here is a really good example of how they gain power.
Sage is not worried about getting the vaccine.
She's not worried about side effects.
It's overwhelmingly safe, I think.
You'll see a lot in the VAERS because of how many people have gotten the vaccine.
I mean...
You know, and so she's not worried about it, but now the government is inching us towards mandated medical procedures.
I get it.
A vaccine is not the most extreme of medical procedures.
They're not saying they're going to cut out, you know, your appendix or anything like that.
But she's right.
It's scary.
It's sick.
Now, the problem I have is that as much as she's willing to speak out against it, she's not willing to resist it.
jorge ventura
And what was interesting too, Tim, I think it was a month ago the story came out.
There was an ESPN college football reporter, like field reporter, and she actually put out a tweet and it went viral.
And she said, hey guys, this day is going to be my last day.
I talked to my doctor about the COVID-19 vaccine and me and my family are trying to have a second kid.
I just can't get it right now.
And then she ended up actually stepping Stepping down and I was like, wow, and um, you know, you have to feel for her because like that's her dream job, but she put her family first and she also met with her doctor.
So it's like she did all the steps that you're supposed to do.
You know, why should she, why should she, uh, she be punished for just, she met with her doctor and they, you know, the best decision for her and her family for, to have a second child was just to not get it this time.
And then, yeah, she had, she had to step down before that September 30th deadline.
tim pool
I mean, I'm surprised Sage didn't step down.
Is your career really worth that much?
jorge ventura
She has a platform where she could go independent.
She would have gotten a ton of support, too, from people, but... After that tweet, yeah.
She conformed.
tim pool
Yeah, that's a bummer.
Imagine if she bailed out and said, OK, I guess I'm getting fired.
Start a podcast.
sagnik basu
Start a YouTube channel.
tim pool
Yeah, definitely.
Instantly.
But you know what?
ESPN probably pays her a lot more than she'd start with.
So she's an anchor for ESPN.
She's probably getting, you know... Millions.
You think millions?
jorge ventura
No.
ESPN, dude, Stephen A. Smith makes more money than star athletes per year.
sagnik basu
Everyone's not like A. Smith.
jorge ventura
She's probably putting like $250.
sagnik basu
She's high up.
jorge ventura
She's been in the game for a while.
tim pool
You said $250,000?
$250,000 a year?
sagnik basu
$250,000?
tim pool
Let's even say she's getting $150,000.
You leaving going independent, you're not going to get that paycheck this month and you're crossing your fingers versus being like, well, this job's stable.
But you're right.
I don't know what ESPN pays.
I'd imagine like maybe half a mil, maybe $250,000 to $500,000.
sagnik basu
It's not even about the money though.
It's about that social circle.
Then you become that one anchor from ESPN who did not take the vaccine and gave up ESPN.
You're that one renegade from that social circle.
You become that person.
tim pool
Yeah, but these people are so dependent.
It's like, yo, learn to... That's it, man.
This is a country that was founded on very independently minded individuals.
People who are like, leave me alone, I'll do my thing, the Gadsden flag.
And now we're slowly becoming more and more completely and utterly dependent on the system and other people.
Why do they care so much about what other people think?
That's the weirdest thing to me.
Just be like, I don't care, you shut up.
What you say doesn't mean anything.
sagnik basu
The thing which bothers me the most is like, throughout history in the states, there have always been people who wanted other people to conform to their rules.
But the counterculture has also existed, right, in the same time, and that has, like, come from, like, the arts and the hip-hop people and the stuff like that.
And to see all these athletes, hip-hop players, hip-hop artists and stuff like that also conform to these government mandates, that's the scarier part.
Everyone together decided to follow this one set of rules.
jorge ventura
It's like, you know, the rage against the machine, now they rage for the machine.
tim pool
On behalf of the machine.
sagnik basu
And like, culture going on hand-to-hand with it, and like, fortunately or unfortunately, culture moves mountains.
Like, whether or not, as Joe Biden's saying, it'll obviously matter more if You know, LeBron says it.
And like, that's the scarier part to me.
Like, all these big players are saying that you should get vaccinated and the fact that other people are not vaccinated is putting your life at risk.
So you, you know, kind of sort of like look down at them.
Like, that's the scarier part.
It's creating two different subcultures.
tim pool
But we already have two different subcultures.
The culture war is just being made worse.
sagnik basu
Worse.
And now it's medical.
tim pool
Well, actually, I think this is impacted by the culture war.
You know, people thought in a crisis that America would come together.
Like during the culture war and the peak and the fighting in the street, they're like, man, we need a shared enemy, like in Watchmen, the aliens, or if it's the movie, you're talking about Dr. Manhattan.
And then everyone's like, that's the enemy.
And they joined forces.
Instead, what happened was the pandemic hit and both sides were like, I'm going to do X. Well, I'm going to do Y. Screw you.
And now they're screaming at each other at the top of their lungs.
That being said, I love the metric.
We had Dr. Robert Murphy on, he's an economist, talking about how the economy is not good, yet for some reason, and then I point out, Democrats think it's good.
So that's the easiest way to put it.
You know, look, you want to identify what the real cult is?
You ever hear that riddle?
Where it's like, you come across a fork in the road, and you can go left, you can go right, and there's two guys standing on each path.
One always lies, one always tells the truth.
How do you figure out which way is the path to safety?
Because, you know, one will lead you to death, one will lead you to safety.
And then it's like, you ask the guy what the other guy would say, and then take the opposite path.
So I forgot where I was going.
It's a great riddle.
ian crossland
I have some information.
Sage Steel, as of 2019, making $400,000 a year.
Their net worth is $1.5 million.
tim pool
That's a lot of money to walk away from.
I'll tell you this, man.
I worked for Disney, and when I tried breaking my contract, one day I woke up to $40,000 in the bank.
And they were like, oh, it's a bonus.
I'm like, for what?
They're like, we're just giving bonuses.
And I'm like, uh-huh.
Is my contract over yet?
No joke.
I went to the president in January and I'm like, this doesn't make sense for me to be here.
I don't know what you guys are doing.
You're not doing journalism.
You're doing woke stuff.
I was like, that's not what I produce.
I travel around.
I cover underground stuff.
If you want to do that, this makes sense.
And then they're like, look how much money we're giving you.
And then one day I wake up and I see money in my bank and they're like, we need to talk.
And then I get a phone call and they're like, yeah, how's the bonus?
And I'm like, a bonus for what?
Like, I'm trying to quit and you just gave me a ton of money.
It was insane.
Just nuts.
jorge ventura
We're kind of living too in like two different countries in the States.
Like here in DC, like, you know, like you still indoors, you have to wear the mask.
Like I'm in the gym, like working out, my mask falls like a little inch below.
And I get like, I get like, I get like threatened by the gym people.
And then like, I was in, I was in Texas and it's like, there's like no mask anywhere.
It's like, life is like all normal.
Then you go to another state and it's like, so even just seeing that cultural or, you know,
shift is also like, it's crazy.
ian crossland
Let's, you know, What freaks me out too is these N95 masks.
If you wear one of those, no one's gonna complain.
But they're not protected because you're breathing out complete air.
There's no filtration going out.
But they don't know, so they don't complain.
So it's like this perception battle.
tim pool
But if you're wearing a gaiter, they'll be like...
sagnik basu
Yeah, I didn't get it.
I didn't get that memo though.
Like somehow gators like a right-wing thing or something.
tim pool
Oh, I don't know.
Oh, yeah, you know, you know, I'll put it this way I went to the bank today and there was this dude and he's like there's a big plastic barrier at the bank and the guys wearing the mask and I'm just like The people working are all in bubble bubble ville literal and everyone else is not Every other person in the building was not masked or doing anything and I'm just like this is weird.
I It's weird because, you know, I'll put it this way.
Last year, they said 15 days, right?
And then we were like, okay.
And then it turned and that's what, you know, 18 months or whatever.
Well, the lockdowns mostly ended, you know, over the summer.
Or the end of spring and summer.
And then they said, you know, okay, we're gonna do masks.
You know, and then it was like, ah, it's no big deal.
If you want to go to the store, you put the mask on, you take it off when you walk out.
But now they're like hardcore, while everyone's working, when you're going, when you're outside, in between sips, getting crazier.
And then people were saying at the time, they were like, if they mandate this, it's only a matter of time before they mandate vaccines.
People were like, no, that's never gonna happen.
Then they said, if you want to take the mask off, just get your vaccine, you don't gotta wear the mask anymore.
Then everyone had to wear the mask again.
We literally went from, hey everybody, get the vaccine and we're back to normal, to me going to the bank and seeing a guy behind a big plastic barrier with a face mask on when everyone there is vaccinated, and I'm just like, there is no point where I would believe this stops.
Like, we had the Moderna CEO, I guess, said, maybe next year.
Australia's building more camps!
Australia's got another camp set to open mid-2022.
They're building camps like crazy.
They don't expect this to end ever.
New normal, they call it.
jorge ventura
Yeah, CNN has that one like doctor correspondent person and she's always like, oh, it's not your, it's not in your, it's not in your like constitution on your rights to like fly and stuff.
So she's, you know, she's making the argument that you need the, you need the vaccine to fly.
But the funny thing is just seeing the, the, the experts continue to flip flop before the pandemic.
There's those interviews of Fauci coming on and saying like, oh, you don't even need the mask.
Then you need the mask.
And then he's like, you know, after you get vaccinated, you don't need it to wear outside.
Now, now you do.
It's just the constant flip-flop is like, how do we continue to trust these people?
tim pool
What's after vaccine mandate?
jorge ventura
Travel.
unidentified
Passports.
jorge ventura
They're gonna hit the airlines and I think that's gonna be... Digital passports.
ian crossland
You know what gets me is that I don't consider the pharmaceutical industry part of the medical industry.
I think of it as a for-profit business that makes, you could call it medicine, I mean it's definitely medicine what they're making, but doctors Decentralized doctors is what we built our modern system on.
It just blows my mind that a pharmaceutical company could be commanding this at such speed.
jorge ventura
They're going to come for the doctor soon because you could just see it.
For instance, that doctor that spoke to that college football reporter for ESPN, I'm pretty sure down the line they're going to come after him because we even saw it in California.
This is before the pandemic.
This was like two or three years ago.
A lot of the parents were protesting this new bill where they were going to limit the religious exemptions on the vaccines for kids and they hammered on the doctors.
So before that, the doctors didn't have a limit on the religious exemptions they could give for children on the vaccines.
Then the state came in and said, you're only allowed to do five per year.
And I think that's what, little by little, they're going to start moving on to doctors and basically kind of force them to say, just tell everyone you have to get it.
tim pool
Well, they're already moving on nurses.
We got the story.
From TimCast.com, North Carolina Hospital Network fires 175-plus workers for defying COVID vaccine mandate.
They say initially, 375 employees were temporarily suspended for refusing the injections, but 200, quote, came into compliance.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
This is weird to me.
received a medication. The laid-off employees have a five-day window to get the vaccine.
Novant employees were given until September 15th to get the shot, reports WLNS. Workers
who have started a two-dose vaccine series will have until October 15th to get the second
dose and remain in compliance. The health system said, Novant workers who have been
granted a medical or religious exemption are required to undergo weekly COVID testing,
wear N95 masks, and eye protection while at work.
This is weird to me. That's my question. Why are there so many anti-vax nurses?
And I'm saying anti-vax on purpose.
ian crossland
OK, thanks.
Yeah, because I want to call them anti-mandate humans.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, but the point is, if the argument from the left is like the mandates, you should get the vaccine, what's the problem?
Their perception of these doctors is they, these nurses, they don't want to get vaccinated.
Why not?
What about these medical employees?
Why are they saying no to this?
Is it really just like, I believe the vaccine is safe, but you can't make me do it?
jorge ventura
I mean, I interviewed some of the nurses that attended some of these anti-mandate protests, and from what I got was, hey, we were on the frontlines of COVID, the majority of the nurses got it, already have the antibodies, they don't see a reason for it.
So it's just interesting to see the We're all in this together, and you're the frontline heroes, and to now they're making it a scapegoat.
sagnik basu
Not only that, the fact that they are part of this quote-unquote system, like the medical system, and like the fact that they don't have faith in this vaccine, which is supposed to be the be-all end-all, that's eye-opening.
And the second thing about it is like, we all remember the time when like the culture and the media together were like not just the heroes, frontline workers, which is true by the way, and now they are like, you know, kind of like turning on them once some of them decide to fall out of line.
jorge ventura
Yeah, I mean, I think situations like this are gonna wake up more nurses.
And I mean, can you I mean, just imagine that, you know, they've been going a whole year telling them that they're the frontline heroes, we're all in this together, then a couple months later, just, you know, gonna fire them and leave them on the street, all these working, all those 170 people are working class.
Yeah, people would say, yeah, we're just gonna leave them off on the street.
sagnik basu
Yeah.
ian crossland
Can I just clarify, you said they're gonna slap N95 masks on the healthcare workers?
tim pool
Those with religious or medical exemptions.
ian crossland
So those things don't protect outgoing air.
They do not filter outgoing air and 95 masks.
So what the heck are they doing?
jorge ventura
Virtual seemingly.
tim pool
Yeah.
When they said when, you know, Biden came out and said, Either you get the vax or you get tested weekly.
That's what they're doing for the OSHA thing.
And then the leftists were like, well, you don't gotta get vaccinated, you should get a weekly test.
And I'm like, can people who are vaccinated still get sick?
Yeah, but it's rare.
Okay, so yes.
Can they still spread COVID?
Yes, at basically the same rate as those, anyone who has COVID, but keeping in mind they're less likely to get it.
And I'm like, Shouldn't you then test everybody?
Shouldn't the vaccinated be tested if that's the case?
Well now we're seeing that I think ASU announced it doesn't matter if you're vaccinated.
Tests.
We got this too.
Part of the story.
The confusion surrounding COVID spilled over into the country's college system this month.
Penn State University suspended 117 students after the co-eds missed their mandatory COVID tests.
Students at University Park who are subject to required weekly COVID-19 testing and who have missed at least three weeks of testing have been notified by Penn State they are out of compliance with the university's health and safety policies and have been placed on interim suspension through the Office of Student Council.
To date, 117 students at University Park have been placed on interim suspension for their failure to comply to properly comply with Penn State's weekly COVID-19 testing requirement.
unidentified
Those students are based No, but think about it.
tim pool
They're like either you get vaccinated or you do weekly tests.
Then people are like, okay, so they get vaccinated.
Then ASU and other colleges are like, no, you gotta do the weekly tests anyway.
jorge ventura
In some colleges, what they're doing is on the weekly test for the students who are unvaccinated, they're making the students pay for it every single week.
So they're like, okay, you know, we're not going to force you, but we're going to, you know, we're going to hit you financially every single week.
sagnik basu
What happens if they, like, decide to, like, just, like, not take these tests anyway?
Do they get, like, forced out of college?
jorge ventura
Yeah, they're going to kick them out.
sagnik basu
So, like, now your degree depends on it, literally.
tim pool
You know what, man?
We're at a point where too many people are just Permanent children.
They're permanent children.
These people at these colleges, these people at these jobs, you know, sage steel, all due respect for speaking out, still a child.
A child who says, I cannot survive without the nanny state, you know, providing that teat to suckle.
Dude, figure it out.
Oh, no, but I need a degree.
No, you don't.
Figure out how to survive.
Stop being so dependent and greedy.
There's a lot of people, I'm not speaking for families, I understand families have bigger issues, but if you're going to college, yo, there's a million and one ways to survive in this world and make a living.
You don't need college.
But what about my dreams?
I want to do this.
Yeah, well, then make your decision.
What's more important?
The job, or your principles.
For all the people that are like, I haven't done any, I don't care what the government mandates I do, I'll do it anyway, it's no big deal for me.
Well, they're there, they're not violating any of their personal tenets.
They're gonna go to college, they're gonna get a job, and they're happy with it.
But if you're someone who's gonna come out and be like, I oppose this!
But I'd rather have the degree than I don't believe you that you actually oppose it.
Maybe it's just a mild inconvenience for you or you're just virtue signaling.
If you really cared and said, I oppose it, I ain't going anywhere near it.
Yo, this is your body or your child's body.
That's the craziest thing to me that people are like, like Sage Steel can be like, this is sick and this is scary.
But I don't mind if someone injects me with something.
I'm like, then do you really feel that way?
Or like, what's the point of what you're saying?
If you really felt that way, you just be like, I ain't going to do it.
jorge ventura
Yeah, that's how I'm already in that boat.
Like, if they do the mandatory vaccine for the flights, for the airplanes, I'm about to jump on that horse, man.
It's 1800 style and take it back to Wild Wild West.
tim pool
It's way easier than that.
You just get a private plane.
jorge ventura
Oh yeah, of course.
sagnik basu
The one's waiting for you outside.
tim pool
That's what's going to happen.
The beanie plane.
You know that you guys want to know a secret.
You know rich people don't need passports, right?
You think I'm playing?
You think I'm playing?
No, no, no, legit.
So, you know, I know some people, friends of my friends, particularly wealthy, they hop on a private plane, all they gotta do is say, like, this is so-and-so and they're flying in, they're flying to a European airport, nobody checks them.
They get special access, they land, and nobody cares.
You know, these are billionaires.
Like, anyone's gonna stand in their way.
sagnik basu
This whole, like, two different classes, this visual was, like, so obvious during the Met Gala too, which you brought up in the beginning.
jorge ventura
Oh, yeah.
sagnik basu
It looked so crazy, right?
Like, Hunger Games.
Yeah, Hunger Games.
Literally, like, they were dressed fancy.
No masks.
They will look all, like, clean and hoity.
And back in the line, and they were, like, these poor, like, I don't know what they call, like, drape holders or whatever.
jorge ventura
Yeah, they probably get paid, like, ten bucks an hour.
sagnik basu
Yeah.
Seriously.
tim pool
That guy carrying AOC's dress.
jorge ventura
Oh, that was the cringiest.
unidentified
Poor guy.
sagnik basu
It's like the lack of self-awareness was so crazy to me.
You guys see what people are looking at right now?
Those people, they're all masked up and standing all shy and curled up in the back while y'all dress fancy.
jorge ventura
Yeah, there was also a dinner too.
Nancy Pelosi had a dinner in California with some politicians and some lobbyists and all the workers are Hispanic and they're wearing the mask attending to them.
And they're just these rich liberals like, oh, yes.
tim pool
Think about this, though.
Think about what's being built when you have the servants walking in wearing masks and the elites.
No rules.
I'll tell you, I've been to a bunch of events for like, you know, like celebrity events and like, you know, expensive dinners.
And it always was really weird to me when it's like, All of these people are standing around and they're like, you know, eating and drinking and then the servant staff comes out and they're like serving you food.
And I'm just thinking to myself, like, I was at a Google event once, super VIP, like high-profile YouTuber thing, like several years ago, maybe like six years ago.
And I'm like, I wonder what these people are thinking.
You know, like, these waitstaff that are there, wearing these weird little uniforms, carrying you food, and just walking around while all of the elites and, you know, privileged, you know, higher-ups are laughing and partying and you're there serving these millionaires.
Like, I would never do that.
I would never do that.
When I was growing up, I snuck into those events.
I would sneak backstage and be like, I'm here for the show.
I'm not here to serve anybody.
And now it's even crazier that it's almost like...
Don't look me in the eyes when you're serving me!
Wear your mask!
Don't you dare speak!
What did someone say?
Like, in the Hunger Games book, there were servants called Avox?
And the capital elites, like, they had their tongues cut out.
So they couldn't talk.
So they wouldn't talk to the capital elites.
And now you have these people wearing masks, walking up.
I kind of feel like that would be a fun event to do.
Be like...
Just do it in New York, and if you're a performer, you're exempt from the mandate, right?
So I could put on an event and, as the performer, be totally exempt from having to do this, and then I would put the rules in place for all of the staff, all the people who live in New York.
I'd just be so disparaging.
I'd be like, you are utter scum if you're working this event.
You are disgusting.
Keep your head down at all times.
Don't look any of my guests in the eyes, you plague rat.
And then, you know, it'd be really funny because then we'll get like a bunch of performers to all just like be overtly snooty with their pinkies out in champagne, pointing and laughing and being like, look at the stupid pores!
They voted for this!
unidentified
We're rich.
tim pool
We don't have to do anything.
We flew on a private plane.
You think we have to abide by those rules?
See, no one said it to these people in their faces.
AOC can go to this event and be like, I'm there for cultural enrichment.
No mask.
Having some guy in a mask have to walk behind her carrying her dress.
Where's the wake-up call for these people who keep supporting this crap?
Maybe they need someone to laugh in their faces and say, you love it, you know you do, you sadistic masochist.
You love that the rich, wealthy elites can do whatever they want, and you will just sit there and take it.
jorge ventura
We need to see the revolution, man, of the working class.
lydia smith
Yeah, there you go.
jorge ventura
They're asleep right now.
tim pool
They're asleep.
Maybe I really should put on an event.
You know what?
Maybe Joe can do this, Rogan, when he goes onto the Madison Square Garden because they got vax mandates.
I call these businesses in New York and I'm like, are you enforcing this?
They're all like, yes, we are.
No medical exemptions.
You know what?
Maybe I should just book a venue in New York and then just take all the time on stage to mock and belittle the establishment.
I'll be like, look at you guys.
You guys are losers.
Pathetic.
You wish you were rich.
Yeah, but we don't have to abide by any rules.
Look at me on stage.
I can do whatever I want.
You can't do anything about it.
When I leave, I'm gonna be getting on a private plane where I don't gotta follow any mandates or any mask or anything because that's what it means to be rich.
Not like you, you poor little plague rat with your garbage establishment.
Follow the rules for the edict of the mayor.
Someone needs to say to their faces.
Maybe get them riled up so they can start saying, I demand my freedom and don't disrespect me.
America used to be the country where you could be a piss-poor drunk in the gutter and see the mayor walk by and be like, Screw you, Mayor!
unidentified
I don't give a damn!
tim pool
But the mayor said I have to do it!
Now's the point. Now we're a nation where the people are like,
but the mayor said I have to do it.
Oh, poor baby. The mayor said so, I guess then you have to just do it.
And so long, you mentioned this earlier, so long as everyone feels
that the public demands it, they just do it.
What happened to the Americans who are like, get off my property.
I guess they don't live in cities.
lydia smith
I think that we do need an event like that, Tim.
I think you need to put that on because that's the subtext.
When you look at the pictures from the Met Gala, that is a subtext.
And that is what they're telling you.
They're telling you that if you don't make as much money as AOC, if you don't have as many Twitter followers as some of those people, you deserve to wear a mask.
And they don't have to because they're just better than you.
But no one gets it through their head.
No one thinks about it that hard.
They just take it for granted.
They're like, oh, this is fine.
It's the way things are.
tim pool
Now, Scott, I got a question, right?
The people who came to the Met Gala... New York City is under a mask mandate.
sagnik basu
Yep.
tim pool
How come AOC wasn't obligated to... I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I was wrong.
It's a vaccine mandate.
sagnik basu
Vaccine mandate isn't here.
tim pool
Not the mask mandate.
sagnik basu
No.
tim pool
Okay, so I was wrong on that one.
Okay.
But they all were vaccinated, so I'll walk that one back.
Yeah, so either way.
sagnik basu
But the exemption they had was like, you know, they were posing for the camera and then you got to show off yourself.
So I guess like you don't have to like, you know, follow the mask.
tim pool
Right.
sagnik basu
But at the same time, like people back holding your drapes have to.
tim pool
Maybe what needs to happen is we need to take it one step further and like put on an event.
Where we not only insist that everybody wear a mask, but they should also wear like a red dress.
You know, they should all be wearing, they should all be women, they should all be wearing red dresses.
They should, like handmaids.
sagnik basu
Handmaids too.
tim pool
And then be like, what's wrong?
It's a beautiful red dress.
Wear your mask and don't look me in the eyes.
ian crossland
Call it an inhesitive art piece.
And then you just belittle them for an hour and at the end be real nice and shake hands when you're done and be like, oh, it was all an act.
But they won't know that.
They won't know that on stage.
tim pool
You live here, you voted for this.
You can leave New York at any time.
You love it and you know it.
Each and every one of those people, they want to have the boot on their neck from people like de Blasio.
Because if at any point they didn't, you can walk right out of that city.
So why don't they?
ian crossland
Poverty?
tim pool
Well actually, maybe you can't walk out.
There's no walking bridge that brings you to Jersey.
sagnik basu
New York?
Nah, you gotta drive through those Jersey Drivers here.
You gotta face it.
tim pool
Yeah, there's no walking tunnels or bridges to get out of that place, huh?
ian crossland
You can take the subway.
tim pool
You can take the PATH train to get out of New York.
sagnik basu
Just swim out of the Hudson River.
tim pool
So, the worst case scenario is you put on the mask, you go on the PATH train, and then you're out.
And then you start walking.
But people want to be there.
You know, I'll put it this way.
A lot of people are like, I can't move.
I don't have the money to do it.
And I'm like, what, what you're really saying is with all due respect, the comfort of your apartment, the job you have in New York is more valuable to you.
Then risking it for your freedom.
For me, I feel the opposite.
I had an apartment in Chicago, and I just got up and left, got a ride share to California, and had no plans.
I was like, because my freedom, life, exploration, adventure, discovery was more important to me than stability.
So for most of these people, they're like, I'd rather be safe than free.
Not me.
And that's the thing.
America used to be a country of I'd rather be free than safe.
But now it's, you know, too many.
I guess the cities are almost entirely safe over free.
jorge ventura
Yeah, I was pretty shocked because in the beginning of the year, I was spending some time in California just interviewing, you know, parents who are having struggles with their children with the mental health.
And kind of what you were saying too, Tim, is like when I would speak to those parents, they were like, hey, my kid's mental health is so important to me.
Like, I'm literally selling my house now.
We're going to Utah.
We're going to another state.
And I remember too, when we were interviewing, you know, those kids and documentary thing, I mean, All these kids couldn't play in sports.
They were, you know, shut down, locked down, yet you turn on the TV and the Dodgers were on.
You know, Tom Brady was winning the Super Bowl.
And that's what pissed off a lot of those, like, parents.
But I've met a lot of those parents that said, I'm done with California.
We're selling this house.
My kids' happiness is way more important than this.
And then I would follow up like, hey, how's your first month in Utah?
And they're like, it's everything.
Our kids are smiling again.
They're playing.
We got our life back.
sagnik basu
Yeah.
So it's going back to our previous topic.
It's like two different countries, right?
So if you desire safety and that bubble, live in California.
If you desire freedom, go to Utah, I guess.
So that's the whole thing.
Whatever you choose, there's a place for it, right?
jorge ventura
There's a writer, his name is Alec McMillis, and he actually did a great article where he compared the state of Texas and New Mexico, and he looked at the kids who played football.
So in Texas, they were wide open playing football.
In New Mexico, they were completely shut down, and the suicide rates of those kids skyrocketed.
And he said, this is just comparing just those two states, and seeing the amount of kids in New Mexico that ended up killing themselves.
You know during the lockdowns and he really did a great piece of just analyzing both kids on each side and I'm talking about kids that were like you know you could be living in New Mexico like bordering Texas and you were completely shut down yet like 12 miles away from you they're playing football on Friday nights they have that normal life and he just kind of did a comparison and it was something I've never seen before I think in Las Vegas they had a Clark County they had so much they had so many suicides from the students that the like the superintendent came out said we have to reopen immediately it's an emergency And, you know, we need to bring those conversations back and saying, you know, the mental health impact on these kids is like, it's like everything.
sagnik basu
It was like a literal single dimension analysis.
Like, hey, this is life saved versus life's not saved.
That's all we care about.
And that's the only rule we need to own.
That's the only barometer which matters here.
Like nothing else matters.
It doesn't matter if you lose your job.
It doesn't matter if your kid's mental health is down in the gutter.
It doesn't matter.
If you're a single-income family, none of those factors matter.
The only factors matter is whether or not that total number of lives saved versus lives not saved.
That's not a way you run things, let alone make policies based on it.
jorge ventura
Yeah I think and I saw there was another great reporter Lucas Thomas and he put out like the stat of like in the military it was like military members that died of COVID-19 it was like very low it was like 20-30 and it was like military members in that same period that died on suicide it was like 500-600 and just making those comparisons kind of like what probably Steele was doing was the comparison with the Chicago kids and the COVID it was yeah I mean like And they don't talk about obesity either.
tim pool
Oh yeah, that's what I was listening to.
30.2% of hospitalizations are obese-related.
ian crossland
Just in general?
tim pool
Of all of them, according to the CDC.
jorge ventura
Yeah, it's funny because you could watch the CNN and they'll be like, Oh, we're all about health and get vaccinated and their commercials are like shoving pain pills down your throat and all these things.
ian crossland
It's like, eat sugar, now take this high blood pressure medicine to counteract the negative effects.
jorge ventura
Yeah, it'll be a commercial like, take this pain pill.
Then like the next commercial would be like, did you take that pain pill and you are getting these side effects?
Call this number.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Think about a fast food meal for just one second.
You got a burger, fries and enough sodium to give you, you know, probably 200 to 300% of your daily sodium intake.
Lots of fats and sugars and salt.
So what do you drown it out with?
Caffeine.
You get a big psychoactive stimulant along with your depressing meal to balance it out.
Because you're eating all this garbage that makes you go... So what do you got to do?
Psychoactive stimulant picks you right back up.
Man.
sagnik basu
Cycle.
tim pool
Talk about just burning yourself out with garbage.
I always thought it was funny, you know, that we have soda everywhere and, like, a lot of sodas have caffeine in it.
And I'm like, it says a lot about our diet.
We feel bad, we're sluggish and unhealthy, so we just, we have a legal psychoactive stimulant in all of these drinks, caffeine.
You can buy caffeine pills and caffeine gum.
Like, yeah, there's something wrong with us if you gotta be doing that.
Maybe you need to be exercising or doing something.
I don't know.
jorge ventura
Yeah, like the CDC or no health director ever came out and said, hey guys, we are the fattest country in the world.
This is what you could do.
sagnik basu
Wait, we are not the fattest country?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure Lebanon is.
jorge ventura
Well, we're up there.
We're up there.
sagnik basu
They do have really good food though, Lebanon.
jorge ventura
But they never just came out and said, hey guys, something that could probably help is just, you know, 30 minutes of exercise a day.
Get some sun in you.
Yeah, they kept all that info on the down low.
Yeah, they should have mandated gym memberships or something.
tim pool
I don't know.
Nauru, Cook Islands, Palau, Marshall Islands, Tuvalu, Niu, Tonga, Samoa, Kiribati.
jorge ventura
We're doing pretty good.
tim pool
We're number 12.
ian crossland
Is that because Coca-Cola got in there?
In Chile, 20 years ago, they were like super healthy and now they're obese.
jorge ventura
They should have mandated every American to watch the Arnold documentary Iron Pump and Go get motivated and go hit Venice Beach or something.
tim pool
Let's jump to this border stuff.
The subheading of this story made me laugh.
From Fox News, Texas Border Patrol agents discover stash houses packed with nearly 100 illegal immigrants.
But wait!
None of the apprehended migrants were wearing personal protective equipment.
Good job, Fox News!
jorge ventura
That's not the Babylon Bee.
tim pool
It's Fox News.
That's what it says.
I don't know...
Why they brought that up?
CBP said none of the migrants had been wearing PPE.
Agents provided them PPE and they were medically screened before being processed.
Yeah, you'd think this was a Babylon B. CBP has not said one of the migrants tested positive for COVID-19.
So, the story here should be that they found a hundred illegal immigrants in stash houses, but for some reason it's turned into like PPE, I guess.
When you drive a narrative so hard, you got people distracted.
I mean, look, that Gabby Petito thing, when I was out, I know, just, I don't even care.
I was talking to this guy earlier, and I was like, well, we're doing a new show, it's like mysteries, true crime, paranormal, and he was like, oh, so Gabby Petito, and I was like, never.
sagnik basu
Wait, why not?
I wanna know, I'm curious, why not?
tim pool
Because, for one, The story is about a missing woman.
sagnik basu
Correct.
tim pool
There are probably 300 missing women right now with tons of news stories.
Secondly, we know that she's not alive.
And that means the missing women who are alive could use some news coverage so perhaps we can find her or them while they're still alive.
Also, this guy involved in the story, apparently there's evidence there was, you know, cross domestic dispute stuff.
And I'm like, okay, look, by all means, report the story like you'd report any other story.
But this obsession with it, that's like people just started pushing all these stories nonstop about what's going on with this one guy.
And I'm like, there's probably one of these women, serial killer, hitchhiker, murderer, kidnapper.
This is a guy who was in a domestic dispute where apparently in one video she was admitted to hitting him, and then he hit her, and then who knows what happened.
I don't know what happened.
I'm not going to pretend to know what happened.
But it's just one story that they're giving all this attention to.
And now here we are talking about it.
I don't care.
jorge ventura
I think my favorite part about that, Tim, is seeing all the liberal media came out and was like, oh, this is a missing white woman syndrome.
And they're like, we have every month or every day 300 indigenous women go missing, and they don't get the attention.
I'm like, you're the mainstream media.
You're supposed to do that.
unidentified
Like, wait a minute, you have the platform to do that.
tim pool
And they're the ones who don't do it.
lydia smith
It's like the Spider-Man meme.
tim pool
And then Brett, who works here, made a good point.
He was like, didn't people nearly burn down the country because a black man was killed?
And I'm like, yeah, this is just, it's the stupidest trash ever.
You know, to a certain degree, I understand what they're saying with missing white woman syndrome.
They're wrong, though, because there are a bunch of missing white women who are not being covered.
ian crossland
There was a video of Petito with her nipples poking through her shirt.
That's why.
It's a bunch of, like, young, oversexed guys pushing this narrative.
No, bro, bro.
tim pool
I hear what you're saying.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's disgusting.
tim pool
But you can Google search missing women and find a bunch of attractive young women.
But that's why this one got... No, you can find a bunch of other attractive young women who are still alive and missing right now.
ian crossland
With video of their nipples poking through their shirts?
tim pool
Yes, yes, yes, Ian!
ian crossland
Yes!
tim pool
That's why I'm saying this is a stupid story, because she had some Instagram followers, and the media chose to push it, and then everyone else, having nothing better to do, were like, I guess I'll talk about it too.
ian crossland
One thing they had better do was take the spotlight off of the Afghanistan surrender.
sagnik basu
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
That was like a week after that.
tim pool
Yeah, but there are a lot of other stories.
I mean, the border crisis.
jorge ventura
There's always something.
ian crossland
I mean, people love it because there's a lot of young men in this country and a lot of missing relationships.
And you see a hot girl on TV.
It's like, man, does that draw people's attention?
tim pool
There are probably hundreds of women of the same age and everything with videos.
ian crossland
Maybe it's like the right place at the right time kind of thing.
Like, this one's good.
tim pool
Sure.
Sure.
It went viral on TikTok.
And then the media was like, we'll roll with this story.
And it was, it was meaningless and nonsensical.
So we got a real story that I want to deviate from where we've got stash houses full of illegal immigrants.
And so I'm like, I'm gonna talk about that.
I don't, I don't, I'm not going to talk about one missing person when there could literally, I could, I could talk about other missing people.
How about all the people being smuggled by human traffickers?
jorge ventura
There you go.
tim pool
That's not the news.
ian crossland
You got to get a video on them.
That's it, man.
tim pool
People like- There's tons of it.
ian crossland
People love what they see out of sight, out of mind.
sagnik basu
And put it on TikTok.
jorge ventura
Just go on my Twitter, we got the video.
tim pool
Of all the people being smuggled?
jorge ventura
Yeah, smuggled into the country at record numbers.
And some of these kids- They don't make the news.
tim pool
These kids are used.
So some smuggler will take a child, kidnap them, and then they'll use it to cross the border and say, it's my child.
And then as soon as they cross the border, they throw the kid and they walk away.
Or they'll return the kid and give it to somebody else, and this kid has no idea what's going on.
It's just being used as a trafficking tool so that bleeding hearts can be like, the poor baby!
We should make sure they're unified with their parent!
And you're like, that's not the kid's parent, dude!
That's a smuggler trying to circumvent the law, claiming that kid is theirs.
Well, we don't know that.
That's the problem when they talk about child separation.
They just make up, oh, Trump was so evil, he separated parents from their kids.
How do we know those kids are related to those old people?
We don't.
jorge ventura
Even last night, Tim, I was in Roma, Texas, and we were documenting the human smugglers bringing in these Nicaraguan migrants, and there was one man, you could tell, he had a little boy with him, you could tell that he wasn't the dad.
He was grabbing them rough.
And when we had the cameras out, he was just acting really frantic and nervous.
It's like we're watching in real time.
And you know, where's the media?
This is what we're seeing at the board is impacting Brown and black lives at a record,
record number.
All the other humans smuggling the trafficking, like I said, July and August is the first
time in board patrol history that back to back month over 200 apprehensions.
I mean, you can only imagine all the kids.
And I said, we witnessed it last night.
There was this man just grabbing this kid almost like manhandling him and I'm like Yo, I mean look what's going on in Border Patrol is like, you know, we know we know what's going on there That's not that's not the dad and that's happening every single day and when we're down there documenting the human smuggling one thing that I always come to mind it's like This is just a little part of a border that we're able to see.
Could you imagine the rest of it in Arizona to New Mexico and Texas?
And it's happening every day.
It's become like the new normal.
Over there, that Roma, Texas, they're used to having their wraps drop off, kids, sex traffic, human smuggling.
Like I said, they had those bracelets so you could keep track with the proof of purchase.
And that's not making the news.
That's not making the headlines.
That should be like our top thing.
Like, we actually have a humanitarian crisis at our border.
I don't know if the rest of America just, you know, just because it's the United States, you know, when people think humanitarian crisis, they think, oh, they think Yemen or the Middle East.
But we literally have one here at the southern border and it's happening every single day.
It's happening right now while we're speaking.
sagnik basu
To some extent like people are like desensitized to it like since like the drum was being beaten since like 20 whatever 2017 like the first like Trump puts kids in cages that was the first time when people were like oh there's an actual crisis at the border and then from there was like today it's like got dropped. It's like a different group of people back
then it was Mexico now it's like what Haitians.
jorge ventura
And I was speaking to a border patrol agent in these border facilities right there in these
rooms that they call pods and these pods they're only meant for like eight migrants at a time.
Border patrol agent was telling me there's like 400 people in these eight person pods each stacked
on against each other. How many? Like 400 in each room where they're only meant for eight like he
said there are people literally sleeping on top of each other like he was texting me all this
all this information he's like hey with these Haitians it's even worse and that a lot of those
Haitian males they came with young like young children and he's like we're trying to break
them up you know from the the real fathers or not but they're like we there's so many migrants we
there's just not enough that we could do it.
And even NBC News put out a report last month that those migrants are being sexually assaulted in those facilities.
There's no way to keep track of them.
The New York Times put out a report last month that one out of every three migrant children released into the United States, they lose track of.
tim pool
Biden was smuggling kids across the United States.
Remember that story?
jorge ventura
Yep.
tim pool
There's a video of it.
And that stuff just disappears.
And the funny thing is Joe Biden's approval rating didn't take a hit from it.
sagnik basu
Nope.
ian crossland
Can I see one of those wristbands?
Can I have one of those?
Can I have one of those to keep?
Thanks, man.
This is it.
If you want to remember, I want to remember this.
jorge ventura
This is just like the reason why I kind of collect them and kind of bring them is just to kind of show the kind of American audience like this is happening in real time and they say you know on these braces they say entregas which means delivered and they actually treat these migrants like almost like an Amazon product like a shipment.
So two things either happen either the migrants have already paid so they'll be you know they'll cross and you know they'll be released into the United States or two is if they didn't pay They're full price then they'll be essentially become
indentured servants and slaves here in the United States Yeah, then you can see like the little kids always have
these bracelets on their ankles so they can't like easily come off
So it's just it's it's it's crazy to see you see it in in in person and that it's like it's literally happening in
The United States and one Border Patrol source told me that the cartels are making up to 14 million dollars a day
Just off human smuggling not even counting It's the cartel like it's yeah, well the cartels are
migrants have are Well, the cartels are really smart.
When they get connected with these migrants, these huge caravans, the majority of the Central Americans, they already have family in the States.
So what the cartels do is they get connected with the family in the States and they make them pay the $5,000, $6,000, $7,000 for that fee.
So it's very well organized.
But where do they get that money from?
The family that already lives here in the United States.
Oh, okay.
sagnik basu
So they send their money back to the people.
jorge ventura
Yeah, so it's like I was interviewing a couple Salvadorian families that like they had to pay a coyote like $7,000 to get like their cousins here to the border.
So like the cartels are smart.
They'll get connected with the family members back in the U.S.
They'll make them pay the fee because they have the money.
And that's how they kind of organize and get here.
And like I said, and if they don't pay the fee, they essentially become indentured servants.
And that's something that me and Sonic got to see firsthand.
We just, um, you know, spent like two months in Southern California, documenting these cartels who are coming into the area.
They're starting up illegal marijuana growth.
So usually when, you know, when people hear illegal, you know, marijuana growth, it's like, Oh, what's, what's the big deal.
It's just pot.
It's just like two hippie dudes in the middle of nowhere, listening to reggae.
But what's happening is that these cartels found out that in California, it's so rural these deserts they start up illegal marijuana
operations and then they'll smuggle the the migrants from south texas and force them to work those
marijuana grows and they'll arm them because out there they're having literally cartel battles
between other cartels and other migrant groups. Me and Sonny got to um we got to be embedded with
San Bernardino county um their marijuana enforcement team when they when they went to raid
yeah they went to to raid a marijuana Monogrow that was operated by the Chinese mafia.
And when we got there, the people who were working that grow were Chinese nationals that were smuggled into the southern border, undocumented.
And they were crying when they got arrested.
I mean, these are people who are literally working off a debt.
They have no idea what's going on.
sagnik basu
That's their way of paying back to the cartel members by putting their hours in these marijuana grows.
And, but the problem is, like, since the cartel knows, like, they are, like, kind of the kingpins, so, like, they are not involved in the ground-to-ground.
So anytime raids happen, the people who get arrested are these undocumented immigrants.
And this is, like, a whole system.
Like, hey, you come into the border, and if you are already paid into the system, well and good.
If you're not paid, the way you put work in is by basically infiltrating these Californian deserts.
And by growing marijuana.
And not only that, there is like cartel turf wars between different cartels.
Because there's Mexican cartels, there's Chinese cartels, there's Armenian cartels.
So it's like a whole racket going on.
tim pool
Armenian and Chinese down there in Mexico.
jorge ventura
No, in California.
sagnik basu
In California.
unidentified
Wow.
sagnik basu
In California desert.
And we saw all three.
jorge ventura
Yeah, so when we were out there, we discovered that there's an Armenian crime organization, the Chinese Mafia, and Mexican cartels are all fighting in Southern California for these large desert properties.
So, when I was out and, you know, I was covering the border early with the crisis, I met Congressman Mike Garcia, who represents District 25 in California.
So, for those who don't know, District 25 is a purple district, meaning it could swing Democrat, it could swing Republican.
It was the district that Katie Hill had.
She got caught with 3-7 of her staffers.
But what happened was is that Mike Garcia won in that special election by less than 500 votes.
And then a year later into him serving for Congress, he has now this cartel issue.
So when I met Congressman Mike Garcia, I was like, hey Congressman, you're the only representative from California in South Texas.
How come you're out here?
He's like, hey, we have a major Mexican cartel, human trafficking, human smuggling problem back in my district.
The crazy thing is, Mark Garcia's district is where my hometown is.
So I was like, wait, back in Palm Delano Valley?
We have a cartel problem?
He's like, yeah, you got to come see it for yourself.
And that's when I called Sonic.
I'm like, you know, we need to do a full investigation, find out what's going on.
So we went deep dive and went into the cartels, the human smuggling.
We even got a little spy drone that we would fly over the grow ops.
And you know there's just so much also layers to this and what kind of really opened up the floodgates was that in California they passed Prop 64 which legalized cannabis statewide but it downgraded illegal cultivation from a felony to a misdemeanor and now the cartels kind of opened up this this black market business and are just dominating and then what helps them out in LA County is they have a very progressive DA George Cascone who I mean doesn't even doesn't charge anyone at all And it's just, it's kind of crazy.
And this is all resulting from the southern border.
tim pool
Well, so what's up with these Chinese cartels?
How are they getting in?
What are they doing?
jorge ventura
So they're essentially same way as the Mexican cartels.
They buy property, start up illegal grow-ups, and they'll smuggle their own Chinese nationals through Mexico and up to California.
Like I said, I was shocked.
sagnik basu
We were shocked because we were like, hey, these are not Mexican people.
We walked in, so the sheriff was like, hey, so we have a raid coming.
Do you want to shadow us?
And we were like, yeah, let's do it.
And we followed them.
And once we pulled up to the To the grow.
We saw the grow.
There was like huge huge huge marijuana plants getting confiscated and then we saw like four people like handcuffs on sitting outside waiting to be like put into the car and then we just peeked in and they were like clearly not Hispanic and then we were like what are the Chinese people doing here and they were like oh even they are smuggled through the Mexican borders to through the southern border and like that's the gateway.
ian crossland
Yeah, Ed Calderon was on the show last week and he said it's like an open joke around the world that anyone can get into the U.S.
through the Mexican border.
They just go to Mexico and up they come.
jorge ventura
I mean, they're right.
They're right.
And I think when these cartels or these human smuggling groups look at what happened with the Haitians, we're giving them a better argument because all they can say is, hey, you just go up to the U.S., you claim you're a family unit, we will push you in a caravan.
They can't handle it, so they're just literally gonna process you really quick and release you into the United States.
And we even did interviews, Tim, with these Haitians outside the airport.
And I was like, hey, were you tested for COVID-19 before being released into the public?
Nope.
Of course not.
sagnik basu
Not only that, they were treating the whole system as like a win.
They were like, oh, we did send back the single males, but we kept the families.
I'm like, okay, are these families though?
jorge ventura
So like there's no way to verify if they're if they're family.
So yeah, I mean, like I said, this is all resulting from an open board.
It has really a lot of consequences, even for just regular American workers.
Big corporations love the open board because it keeps their wages down.
And I mean, you just get hit all angles.
So yeah, me and Sonic went, like I said, we did a deep dive.
Two months into it, the documentary is going to come out next week.
So we really hope a lot of people just look at it and just kind of see the reality on the ground of,
you know, people being human smugglers, human traffickers.
I think when people think about this, they don't think that it could happen on American soil at the rate it is.
But it's happening.
And, you know, and Ed said this on your show, too, Tim, is that people think that the Mexican cartels are not here.
They're here.
They've been here for years.
And now they're getting more emboldened.
sagnik basu
People forget about the fact that people usually don't empathize with the topic because they are like, oh, once
they're here, they're here.
Like, whatever. But like, once they're here, they're in our communities.
Like, I don't know what they're doing.
Like, some of them may be like honest workers, but at times they're working for the cartels and growing weed and, you
know, terrorizing neighborhoods and deserts where there's like no cop presence.
tim pool
You know what people don't understand, too?
I did a story on the drought in California several years ago.
Went to a bunch of farms.
I met some young kids who were born in America, but their parents were illegal immigrants.
And they were working on farms, you know, like picking dates or something, whatever fruits they do and stuff like that down there.
And they were like, oh yeah, our parents get 14 bucks an hour.
And I was like, that's really interesting.
And they were like, their parents aren't documented, that's what they said, and they made 14 bucks an hour.
And I'm like, 14 bucks an hour?
Why not just hire an American?
It's actually really obvious.
No benefits, no taxes.
So if they can pay someone 14 bucks an hour, an American would have to get paid more because of taxes on both ends, the employment tax as well as the person's income tax.
So when people say things like, well, they're doing the jobs Americans wouldn't wanna do, I'm pretty sure if you went to an American and said, you know, $15 an hour, $14 an hour, you know, a lot of people would be like, yes, please.
Because right now they have to fight for $15 in New York.
They got it, basically.
But this was around the same time.
Around the same time I'm hearing that illegal immigrants, undocumented immigrants, are getting $14 an hour to pick fruit in the fields, Americans are fighting for a minimum wage at that level because they're not making that much at McDonald's or whatever.
So basically they look at it this way.
You know, we're going to pay $14 an hour to this person, and we're going to save 7.5% on employment tax.
They're going to save 7.5% on their end.
So we'd have to pay $15 an hour.
We save a little bit, but we're still paying comparable to what an American would get.
So yeah, Americans would love to have that job.
ian crossland
I, when I was in LA, I was working at a restaurant that had a lot of illegal immigrants working there and they were the cool people, but illegally in the country.
And there was this like building on the street that had all these like apartments in it where they stayed.
And it was like for illegal immigrants and it was super cheap rent and I wanted it.
It was super nice, but compared to my place.
jorge ventura
But so yeah, but this concept to like it was, you know, years ago, like even Bernie Sanders would come on and said that he didn't support open borders because of the how it impacted American wages.
So even, you know, he had a, you know, he got pushed by the by the progressive group, but even even he saw and I think just You know we got to take out the politics and just say this is an American problem that we're seeing and right now the people who are suffering the most and being taken advantage of are these like legit family units or these innocent you know people that are living in these countries that are getting sold this dream of like hey you just come to the US you get temporary protected status that the time is to come now the Biden administration put that signal I remember during that campaign
Kamala Harris had that famous quote that went viral.
It was like, you know, if you come here and illegally, we're not going to deport you.
That's inhumane.
We're going to be the more humane organization.
I mean, just that little quote you just gave the cartels.
tim pool
Biden said come to the border.
And Biden said, surge the border if you want to come, come.
ian crossland
Give us your weak, your sick, your poor.
Wasn't that the American thing back in the day?
That's not the America of today.
We're overloaded.
tim pool
No, you mean going to Ellis Island to be processed?
ian crossland
Yeah, like, come immigrants, everyone.
That was a hundred years ago.
We're not in that position now to take all these new immigrants.
tim pool
That was a poem at an island where immigrants were being processed legally.
ian crossland
Of course.
unidentified
Of course.
ian crossland
But I don't even think we can handle, I mean, we can barely handle legal immigration right now.
This country's overloaded.
tim pool
I think we can handle legal immigration.
The problem is how can you handle legal immigration when we can't track all of the illegal immigration?
jorge ventura
Exactly.
tim pool
So we're like, hey, we want to allocate X amount of space to people.
We've got this line of people that everyone just rushes in.
You're like, I don't know where everybody went or what our resources are anymore.
jorge ventura
And look what happened with the Haitians.
15,000 came.
tim pool
From Chile and Brazil.
jorge ventura
Yeah, and then they get processed and they got released in the United States all in under like a week just because the Haitians under that bridge was looking bad optics for the Biden administration.
They were like, hey, just hurry up, speed it up, we don't even care if you test them or not, just get them, get them, get them out of here.
sagnik basu
And it's like, the thing which also bothers me, and this is like a devil's advocate argument, is just like, Haiti is actually a messed up country.
Like there's like so many things wrong with Haiti, especially with the president getting murdered and like earthquakes and stuff like that.
So there may be some people with actual asylum claims there.
So, but when you overload the system and you have been doing that for like five, six years, maybe those people like, you know, who are supposed to get asylum in an ideal world are like lost in the dust.
jorge ventura
And guess what?
There's even more coming.
There's already 10,000 stuck in Tapachula, Mexico.
There's even thousands more making their way through Colombia and Panama.
And it's not just the Haitians, it's the Venezuelans that are still coming at a record number.
Central Americans are still coming at a record number.
We were literally documenting the human smuggling last night in Roma.
And it's just like, you know, when I speak to Border Patrol, it's like, you know, for them,
and it's kind of a little bit obvious now looking at the hindsight, but it's like,
just the removal of Trump's, you know, remain in Mexico policy really just opened up the
floodgates because the thinking was for the migrants during the Trump administration is,
why would I pay the cartels and human smuggling groups to cross into the US illegally for the
Trump administration to give me a court order, but I would have to wait in a border town in Mexico,
which is most likely cartel related, the risk is just too high. So when the Biden administration
came out and said it's removing the remain in Mexico policy that literally just opened up the
floodgates. But then a court overrule that. So you got a court overruled and said you have to do it.
But we I mean, from my from my reporting, we haven't seen any evidence of those migrants
having to wait in Mexico. I mean, we just saw with the Haitians, if it was true, those those
Haitians would have had to stay in Souda, they were going back and forth.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's no border Yeah, I was in the I don't know if you guys saw the video on Twitter But I was in the water when they were transporting supplies and I would I asked the Haitians the Mexicans said hey How come you're standing here not going over there?
They're like we were only eating like one time a day over there So it's like I'd rather be on the Mexican side But now the Mexican authorities went to the Ciudad Acuña.
It was like a makeshift, you know, Haitian camp and they made those Haitians move.
So we're getting reports right now that there's thousands of Haitians going to Reynosa, Mexico, which that means the direct town across from it is McAllen, Texas.
One of the hardest hit sections in Texas is that RGV area.
ian crossland
You were saying earlier, I think, that Haitians that had moved to Haiti, or that had moved to Chile, were living in Chile for a long time.
They've been there.
Now they come up here and they get deported from the U.S., but they get deported to Haiti.
jorge ventura
Well, essentially what's happening is all these Haitians were living in Chile, had already had Chilean IDs, refugee status, and things like that.
Then when we made the transition from the Trump to the Biden administration, the smugglers told them, your time is now if you want to make a run to the states.
So we had thousands of Haitians come up, but they got stuck in Tapachula, Mexico.
So that's the border town in South Mexico.
The government there actually didn't let the Haitians travel without proper documents.
The only thing is, is that the government never actually processed documents.
So what happened was, is you had thousands of Haitians living in Tapachula, waiting for something to happen, like sleeping on the streets, while thousands more kept coming.
So, so many came on the week of September 12th, which is actually a Mexican holiday called El Grito.
The local government gave them a three-day pass to travel, and they ended up, the human smugglers, everyone, they moved them up to Sudacoña.
Now, Sudacoña is one of the few border towns that's actually not, like, controlled by a cartel smuggling group.
So, meaning, That's why in those videos, you're able to see the Haitians walk that river back and forth, bring supplies, because they didn't have to pay.
If they did, once they crossed that one time, it's done.
And that's why when we're with the Haitians, you don't find the wristbands at all.
tim pool
Well, look, tell us about, pull out the wristbands, and let's actually go through it this time, and just tell us about what they are, what they mean.
So, Jorge's got a bunch of these wristbands.
These are human smugglers.
Put these on people, on kids.
jorge ventura
Yeah, why don't you at least keep these, Tim?
tim pool
It's kind of creepy.
jorge ventura
Yeah, so these are the, so this is what kind of our reporting has showed is that the Central Americans have to pay a human smuggling group, a cartel group, to cross the Rio Grande River.
And the different color wristbands means there's different human smuggling groups.
So here we have red ones, we have some black ones, and we have some purple ones.
The majority of these ones say entregas, which means delivered.
That means the product has already been delivered.
So either if they haven't paid their full payment, then they become indentured servants on our side, but they also have to pay for the kids.
Yeah, these are it's insane to see it in person because I mean literally like pull it straight so people can read what it says.
Yeah, I mean like like literally literally last night guys.
We were interviewing migrants coming from Nicaragua.
They're human smuggler right in front of us.
We have the video.
It's up on Twitter and we got to collect these from the mic.
The reason that I keep getting asked like why do you collect them?
It's like we're trying to show These are numbered, dude.
tim pool
These are serial numbers.
jorge ventura
Yeah, and it's different.
Like, it's different, you know, for me just telling you like, hey, this is what's going on.
Then when you see it in person, you're like, whoa, wait.
tim pool
This is a mechanized industry.
There is a serial number on these bands.
sagnik basu
Well, well organized.
unidentified
4,186.
jorge ventura
And Ian, like last night, the little kids would have them on their ankles.
And it's just it's crazy how they treat these people.
And like I said last night, there was a moment where one of the males from Nicaragua had his little boy and you could just tell he was not the father.
I mean, he was manhandling this kid like a product.
And when we had the cameras filming him, he was frantic, trying to hide behind a National Guardsman.
And the crazy thing too, Tim, is being there in person is... So, you know, on the Mexican side, we're witnessing the raft come with the kids.
I mean, we're talking about babies in these boats that could drown.
I mean, it's like one of the saddest things when they get dropped off on the American side and seeing that struggle.
So, they come from the Mexican side.
On the American side, there's a National Guard with flashlights directing them to come here.
So then they'll literally drop him off right in front of the National Guard.
Sometimes the National Guard goes in and assists them.
And then so we ask them like, you know, how come you guys don't pursue the human smugglers?
According to them, they say they don't arrest the human smugglers because their worry is that when they go to arrest them that they'll flip over the raft.
So then the kids would drown and all the attention goes to the kids.
But I just can't believe this.
Like it's just happened so brazen.
Yeah.
So it doesn't even matter.
We could have every single National Guard from every single state be there, but they're literally doing nothing.
I mean, and then they have like M-16s that don't even have, they're not even loaded.
ian crossland
Dude, migration has been the downfall of a lot of nations over the millennia.
jorge ventura
Look at Sweden right now.
They're struggling massively with having all these huge influx of Afghans.
tim pool
I actually don't think that's true.
A lot of the problems that Sweden's facing has to do with 20 years ago.
So Somali Somali refugees and it's not even the refugees it's their kids who are because Sweden is so overwhelmingly racist What they did was in the 90s.
They brought in a bunch of Somali refugees those refugees then had children who are 100% Somali but born in Sweden speaking Swedish and then because Swedes are so racist they were like we're not gonna give you jobs or education and So you basically created this, you create ghettos.
And then these people who are from Sweden aren't viewed as Somali by their, you know, family in Somalia.
And they're not viewed as Swedish by people in Sweden.
So they form pocket communities, effectively viewing themselves outside the state.
So that's, that's Sweden's, Sweden's issue.
And I, you know, of all the people to talk about social justice or whatever, now Sweden's legit racist.
Like, they will not give you a job if you do not conform.
And we talked to a bunch of Americans who said the same thing.
So maybe race isn't the right word.
Maybe they're like... Homogenous.
Nationalist.
If you are not discernibly Swedish in accent and color, they won't hire you.
It becomes very, very difficult.
But they will create ghetto subsidized housing.
I mean like literal ghetto, not subsidized housing blocks where they'll put you and then be terrified when violence breaks out.
So it is a bit different in Sweden.
ian crossland
Yeah, going back to the Roman Empire, basically part of the downfall of that was all the mass migration from the north because the Huns were coming from the east and it's just, you know, just spilled over and then you'd see in desperate times there would be these huge like...
Like, civilizations would be migrating and the Romans would go murder them all because they couldn't handle it.
It was like, if they come, we lose.
So this is a horrible dystopic future that could happen if we don't somehow solve this.
tim pool
Yo, it's happened.
It's happened.
ian crossland
Well, we have like long-range communication now.
tim pool
We have 1.4, 1.5 million apprehensions this year, not counting the people who break through without being caught.
It's unprecedented.
This is... You know, people say, I'm doomer, I'm black-pilled, we shouldn't be, we're gonna win.
I'm like, you didn't understand something.
Freedom may win, but not before the system around us falls apart.
So, where you are, things might actually start getting... I mean, it's bad right now, right?
But I don't think the United States survives everything that's happening.
From the mandates, from the breakdown between states, the social cohesion, to the mass migration.
It's just, I don't see the Republic, as it stands, surviving this.
Now, as for us as individuals and our culture, I think it's gonna be good for a lot.
Texas is gonna do better.
Florida will do better.
West Virginia will do better.
New Hampshire will do better.
New York and California, I suspect, will do worse.
But maybe those people will enjoy it and they'll be happy with it.
jorge ventura
Tim, did you see Sarah Silverman come out and was like, oh we need to split it to like USA 1 and USA 2.
sagnik basu
That sounds like a great idea.
tim pool
It's not about we need to, it's that the sentiment is there and I think we're on that track no matter what we want to do.
jorge ventura
Because we have two different populations in America.
We have the, I listen to everything the government tells me, and then we have the, hey, stay out of our lives.
We still want to keep that old school.
American style.
So we're seeing that split.
But what's actually also interesting on the immigration is Chile this past week was actually holding protests against the Venezuelan migrants that are coming into their country.
So we're seeing kind of that kind of play out in South America as well.
But as of right now, we're getting reports that more Haitians are making the trek to the US-Mexican border.
tim pool
Yeah.
And, uh, well, it was fun, huh?
Yeah.
unidentified
That's a black pill.
sagnik basu
While he's holding a literal black pill.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's, uh, it's Ian's obsidian.
Soviet Union only lasted 69 years.
The United States, we got, you know, 200 and about 270, almost 260 something.
Right.
Is that where we're at?
jorge ventura
Yeah, and just letting in this huge migration isn't good.
I mean, and we're also seeing with all the, um, kind of the Afghan immigrants that we just, we just brought, I mean, refugees we just brought in.
There was those already, there are already reports of some sexual assault in some of the military camps that they're staying at.
We just have to vet these people.
I was, I was speaking to border patrol agents.
They're saying it's impossible to vet these migrants at the, at the pace that they are.
It's like, it takes such a long time.
They're like, there's no way we know anything about these people, especially the Gataways.
That's actually the, the real scary number.
tim pool
Look, so there's a lot of stuff we talk about when we say, like, the Republic is falling or whatever.
Joe Biden's rule by decree, separation of powers are completely gone.
The states are so far at odds with each other.
There's no compromise.
The Democrats are like, get rid of the filibuster and ram through our agenda in the face of Republicans instead of just take care of your own states.
Why should New York ram through an agenda for West Virginia?
It makes no sense.
But what are we hearing in response?
Conservatives being like, if we get the House back, we're going to impeach Biden.
And I respect that.
They should.
But they're like, you know, we'll get rid of the filibuster, then we'll ram through stuff.
And it's like, bro, the only track we're on is it breaks apart.
But when you mentioned the National Guard is just fanning these people in and being like, well, there's not much we can do.
It's like, dude, when your border can't guard its border and people can walk back and forth for takeout, you have no border.
And if you have no border, you have no country.
jorge ventura
It's honestly, it's a joke, Tim, how these, how, you know, just watching like them go back and forth, then, you know, seeing the National Guard.
I'm like, what are we doing to it?
And there's like literally no, no enforcement and the cartels continue to win, the establishment politicians that push these policies.
Continue to win, and I just don't know how long we could sustain it.
I think we're on pace right now for 2 million apprehensions at the U.S.
southern border.
Still not counting those gotaways that get in.
We have these large family units that we don't know if they're family units getting processed into the United States, getting flown all over the country.
I just flew today from the McAllen Airport to Dallas, and on my flight, I mean, the majority were Central American migrants being flown.
Holding with the folders that say, I don't speak any English, can you help me with my next flight?
And then on the other side, it has all the, like, where they're stopping.
So say, like, McAllen to Houston to New York, or McAllen-Houston to New Jersey, whatever.
So they're being flown all over.
So are the Haitians.
Like I said, the majority of Haitians that I interviewed are going to Florida.
But still, they're getting flown all over and there's no track.
There's no way to track these migrants.
And another thing is there's no way to make sure that they even go to that court order.
I was speaking to Border Patrol sources.
They say only 13% of the time they even go to that to that court order.
So it's they already said we essentially just already let them loose.
And then when you speak to the Haitians, like, hey, are you gonna go to your court order?
They're like, what?
I live here now.
So they look at me like I'm like I'm crazy.
So that's the that's the situation that we have a hand in.
Supposedly, we're still going through a pandemic.
We're releasing thousands of folks who are not tested for COVID-19.
tim pool
Who was it?
Peter Ducey.
Is that his name?
The journalist?
unidentified
Yeah, Peter Ducey Fox.
tim pool
Yeah.
He asks Saki, are you testing these people for COVID when they cross the border?
And she's like, no.
jorge ventura
Yeah.
She's like, she's like, oh, we're not testing them because they don't plan to stay here long.
I'm like, well, that's the opposite.
Yeah.
I'm like, that's the opposite we're seeing on the ground.
The thing is, when they get a court order, these migrants, that court order could take up to even three years for them even to have a date.
tim pool
What is the red bracelet?
jorge ventura
These are just, like I said, it's like every color is a different migrant or smuggling group.
So last night we were running into the same group with all these black bracelets and the majority of the migrants that we spoke to last night were coming from Nicaragua.
We did meet two from Cuba, which I was pretty shocked.
Every time that we're down there we want to show these people that or show the American audience like look what's going on at an alarming rate and the thing is it's like the the national attention from the border it like the spotlight moved as soon as the Haitians got cleared out of the bridge we were there all the mainstream media left and they were done and I was like you know what let's let's continue to to show people what you know what's going on and I'll be back I'll be back in Texas pretty soon but This situation, like I said, it rose out not just, you know, Texas, but like, how, you know, Sonic and I being in California, seeing those migrants being forced to work those grow-ups.
And it's happened all across California and in different states as well.
tim pool
You were saying in, like, in ancient Rome, they were dealing with a migration crisis?
ian crossland
Yeah, the Huns came from the east and tons of civilizations fled into, like, northeast Rome.
And it was basically the fall of the empire was a big part of it.
tim pool
There was also, wasn't there like a credit crunch?
ian crossland
I don't know.
I know in Greece there was.
I don't know if in ancient Rome there was.
jorge ventura
It does feel though like China is laughing at us seeing this huge demise and kind of everything you were saying too Tim with like the state powers and stuff but it's also that our elites in this country are not even loyal to this country they have already aligned themselves with with China whether it's big business whether it's entertainers or politicians they've all decided that they have aligned themselves with you know the Chinese Communist Party.
tim pool
Maybe 2008 was the iceberg and since then the elites have been like well We got 20 years.
Start collecting that silverware to sell off.
And they hit up China and say, look, our ship's sinking.
We want a safe landing.
So we'll give you all the good fine China from the boat.
That's what we're facing.
jorge ventura
Look at the whole situation with John Cena.
He came out and said something about positive or I think he recognized Taiwan.
And then within two days, he's already making his video in Mandarin apologizing to the Chinese people.
That's all the American companies do the same thing is they'll bow down their head to China.
That's why I love South Park when they continue to troll China and Jing and stuff like that.
But, yeah, I mean, like I said, our elites, our politicians have all aligned with them and, you know, they're not loyal to this country.
I mean, we've already been seeing this, you know, in the NAFTA and the trade deals when we shipped all of our manufacturing jobs to China.
And, you know, we saw states like Michigan and Ohio, Penn State, I mean, Pennsylvania lose All that manufacturing jobs and we saw all those basically you know huge unemployment and men that you know we're used to I'm talking about like single income family men now have no jobs because those manufacturing jobs got shipped even now we're seeing on the southern border all the fentanyl and opioids getting pushed into those same communities.
tim pool
It's a bit apocalyptic, I guess.
I think in the long run, I mean, humanity is going to be fine.
But for a lot of people, I think they view America as the world.
And so what I see it is like, you know, look, if in the end, West Virginia, Texas, New Hampshire, Florida, Wyoming, whatever, red state says, we're going to do our own thing.
Is that really the end of the world?
Is it really bad?
jorge ventura
I don't know.
ian crossland
No, definitely not.
Look at the Sea Peoples, another group of migrants 1200 BC or something that came from the north and no one knows why but they overran Mesopotamia and it was the end of like civilization as it was known and then like small dark age and then you start to see like the resurgence but that's just the nature of reality is tragedy and migration.
I don't know.
We have great technology, you know, long-range electricity, well long-range communication electricity.
Maybe, maybe we can use the American ideals and rewrite like a more organized system for the globe.
I think it's beyond nationalism at this point.
Obviously, these borders don't really matter anymore.
jorge ventura
But it's also like a huge, it's a huge cultural problem because these people are not going to assimilate.
And if they're working low, you know, low wage, low skilled jobs are most likely going to get on some type of welfare that then after that the American taxpayer has to pick up that bill.
sagnik basu
Not only that, let's say if someone's whole ideology is not aligned towards protecting what America is based on and stuff like that, and they go towards empathizing more with these migrants.
I would appeal to them, think about what they have to go through.
Because when we're talking to all these people, They get killed.
They were like, we watch these people run these marijuana camps, all these illegal immigrants.
They do not look happy.
They have to work in like 100 degrees out in the open running these pot farms, being forced to do so.
If they don't abide by these rules, they get killed.
Cartel will kill them.
So if you're like, just like, as like, let's say you're like a full-on progressive
and you're all about immigration and all about letting people in.
Like just think about what conditions these people have to go through.
jorge ventura
But they don't because this is impacting black and brown people at a record number and they're nowhere to be found.
Not one progressive has even came down to the border and said look at these conditions look at these facilities that are that are overpopulated by over 500% some of these facilities.
Like I said some of these pods are only made for eight people they got 400 people in there.
Even NBC News is reporting that they're getting sexually assaulted.
Where is that outreach?
Only when they need votes, they'll come speak up.
But that's it.
tim pool
Yeah, otherwise it's a conspiracy.
sagnik basu
Like look at the photos that came from the Haiti situation.
Those photos were horrible to look at.
Let's say you have no empathy whatsoever to the American ideal and protecting populism and all that stuff.
Just empathize with these people.
This whole situation at the end of the day was created by these policies and these attracted these people and they were all starry-eyed and let's say a little exploitive.
Let's take advantage of it.
And now they're going through this whole mess.
Like, as a super progressive person, I'm pretty sure this is not what you wanted.
To see all these people go through all this mess.
jorge ventura
Yeah, I'm interested now in the 2024 race because immigration is going to become again a top issue.
A lot of Democratic voters that I'm speaking to every day, the immigration issue is getting them to switch.
They said, OK, hold on.
And that's why Biden's approval rating just kept dipping.
And we were speaking to some DHA sources who they told us the Biden administration was taking such a political blowback on the Haitian migration.
They said by Friday, all those Haitian migrants need to be off the bridge and port of entry open.
We're going to act like nothing ever happened.
tim pool
I don't think Democrats can survive politically.
jorge ventura
No, this is a huge blowback.
tim pool
I mean, you've got a year, basically an eternity, so we'll see what happens, but Biden's approval rating's in the gutter.
The honeymoon period's over, people are starting to wake up to the fact that this guy's out of his gore and he can't run or manage anything.
I think Joe Biden's presidency was literally a steal all the silverware before the people find out what your plan is.
It's like South Park.
Remember that South Park episode from 2000?
I think it was 2008.
Obama and McCain run for president, and the real point was a heist.
They needed to get access to the White House, so it was like Ocean's Eleven or whatever.
jorge ventura
Yeah, it was like through childhood.
tim pool
That's what it is.
Joe Biden was like, once I become president, I can extract as much as I can from the system before it implodes.
jorge ventura
And Kamala Harris has also taken a huge hit on her popularity because she basically got assigned Borza and she's been taking a hit.
And according to some of these White House sources who came out and are talking, they're saying Kamala Harris doesn't want to visit the border because she doesn't even want to take the blame anymore.
And she kind of felt like they put her in that position.
But she's taking a huge hit.
Biden is taking a huge hit because on this one issue, you could get those Latino Democratic voters to say, hold on, this is our people now.
I'm not voting for this again, so we'll see.
Then all those, you know, and the data backs it up, because if you look at the Texas border
towns, they're all 80% majority Latino.
In 2016, all those border towns voted overwhelmingly for Clinton.
I mean, they're Democrat.
Then 2020, Trump won all those counties by the border.
And if you're seeing those working class Latinos finally say, this is enough is enough.
It's impacting our local communities.
I just I put up the video out on Twitter where I interviewed Latino working-class in Del Rio and they were just livid at the Haitian migration situation.
I mean that was funny.
I was speaking to one resident whose brother is a veteran.
He said that when his brother needed to go to the hospital, they were full of migrants.
They could not help him out.
tim pool
Next year is going to shock.
I think.
It's fair to say.
If the trends continue with the border of Texas and with Miami, a blue district going red, I mean, Democrats might be shocked.
Historically, a president doing this bad should lose 30 to 50 seats.
jorge ventura
The border wasn't even this bad under Obama.
And the thing is, when we were covering the border crisis in the beginning, I kept thinking, oh, it can't get worse than this.
The numbers continue to get worse.
Like I said, July and August, first back-to-back months, over 200,000 apprehensions.
We're already over 1 million.
I think by the same rate last year, we're already at a 5% increase.
I mean, 500% increase in apprehensions?
This is nothing like we've ever seen before.
I speak to Border Patrol, they're overwhelmed.
And now they're also, not only are they overwhelmed with the situation, they're not getting any help from the administration.
And then to top it off, they're now being attacked politically by that administration with these fake viral photos of them getting whipped.
And what I love about that story is the photographer for that, two days ago, told El Paso KTSM, which is, you know, local news station, that him and his colleagues didn't see any whipping at all.
Yet the Biden administration ran with it.
Jen Psaki came out and announced that the Biden administration is going to ban horse patrol
in the Del Rio sector.
And those agents that day are put on leave.
tim pool
All lies.
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unidentified
Boom!
tim pool
There's all of the crazy segments from over the past year or so, since January.
So definitely want to check that out.
All right, let's see what we got.
Nikolai says, Hey Tim, would love to see Dave Smith and Hassan on the next little debate you have on Timcast.
Also, I'm in at UPenn, worked there for 20 years and got fired for not taking the vaccine.
Dave Smith and Hassan debate would be amazing.
They're both invited.
There you go.
There's the word.
I'm pretty sure Dave would absolutely be on board.
Hassan, I can respect as a very busy guy, but I'd love to have him.
So if they're interested, we should totally do it.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Michael Fernando Mellos has great show.
Tim Kast's crew.
Heard of this?
Augustin Karstens, GM of the BIS.
A key difference with the CBDC is Central Bank will have absolute control of the rules and regulations.
unidentified
Bad vibes.
tim pool
I'm not familiar with what those things are.
ian crossland
BIS is Bank of International Settlements, which is kind of the mother central bank of all the central banks on Earth.
Not all of them, but a big one in Switzerland.
And that kind of, you see the Federal Reserve of New York, Bank of England, and the Bank of Australia funnel their funds through the Bank of International Settlements with no oversight.
tim pool
Martin says, a great doctor once told me that the wisdom comes from the nurses.
They know what's up.
Many doctors are glorified search engines, no actual authority.
Interesting.
That's interesting.
Is that true?
lydia smith
That is actually correct.
So many human errors have been caught by nurses.
So many lives have been saved because of it.
They catch the doctors.
They're up to date with the patients.
tim pool
All right.
Jamie Goodberry says, is it New York City or New York?
There is an unbelievable difference and Upstate hates the city.
That's true, but they're in it.
That's the state.
I mean, what do you do?
Should the city secede from the state?
They'd collapse in two seconds.
All right.
Jonathan Galterini says, for George, Eddie Guerrero was my first hero, lol.
jorge ventura
Latino heat.
Always gotta represent.
lydia smith
Love it.
tim pool
Make 1984 Fiction Again says, Hassan has never added any substance to any subject.
Him having as many followers as he does is a bigger threat than any virus.
Dave Smith tore him up today.
It was heavyweight versus welterweight.
Wow, was there a debate or something?
jorge ventura
I don't know.
I gotta check the Twitter.
sagnik basu
On where?
Like on Twitch or something?
ian crossland
Hassan's been saying he wants to bridge the gap politically.
sagnik basu
Oh, that's ironic.
jorge ventura
Well, that's like, anyone that disagrees with him is an automatic white supremacist.
tim pool
Yeah, like, that's, that's... Yo, if someone comes out and says, I have an issue about X, and then you go, haha, well, why?
I'm like, bro, quiet.
sagnik basu
That was the same playbook of What's-His-Face.
Carlos Maza ran on Twitter all the time.
lydia smith
Carlos.
jorge ventura
Good ol' Carlos.
sagnik basu
Whatever happened to him, I don't know.
ian crossland
Dipped out.
He was in the spotlight for about, I don't know, four months.
sagnik basu
I know, like, the whole Steve and Carlos situation, I think it was just gone.
tim pool
Roberto Lara says two things, Tim.
One, the cult is afraid of the unvacs and the anti-mandators.
And two, we as humans will never be perfect.
The only ones who are perfect are our pets who look up to us.
Cheers, gang.
sagnik basu
Love that.
tim pool
I mean, sort of.
Bucko is just like pissing all over the joint.
lydia smith
My pet is perfect.
tim pool
So we had to just let him go outside and, you know, let him do his cat stuff.
Far from perfect.
ian crossland
He's been much happier since we took that big jacket off of him.
He started crawling up on me now.
tim pool
Now he's not happier.
ian crossland
He's happier with me.
He knows that I'm the one that pushed him.
tim pool
He loved that thing.
He loved it.
ian crossland
It was dopey though.
It was a couple weeks that we hadn't watched it.
tim pool
Ian just has this weird idea that the cat...
ian crossland
I kept thinking he was going to slip out of a branch and get hung, like hanging out of a tree.
sagnik basu
Oh no, that's graphic.
tim pool
Now he's wearing a bell.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
That jingles.
ian crossland
You can hear him coming.
tim pool
And he hates it.
That's why he liked the armor.
We had this like, this thick leather cat armor.
He's outside or whatever.
Alright, let's see.
ian crossland
Curling up outside my room.
tim pool
Serp YouTube says, Ian, there's an interview with Adam Stokes called The Most Wanted Man in Crypto.
Check it out.
Think you will find it interesting.
ian crossland
Thank you.
tim pool
Cool.
Bonker says, sometimes I hate legal precedent because they'll say, oh, there is precedent, but it was unconstitutional the first time.
We just didn't fight it like we should have.
And thus is the slow erosion of our rights.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Sel Rins says, my college requires a test every 14 days for the VACs and every four if you don't.
It's free at least, but you can't come to class without it.
You also have to fill out a survey every day to get into buildings.
I would just be like, nah, I ain't doing it.
And then they'd be like, you're expelled.
unidentified
And I'd be like, okay, there you go.
tim pool
Camel of the Mojave says, the war on terror is coming home and these people need to justify their budgets.
Oh yeah.
All right.
Brokages over Hokages says, I've been told by my boss, since I'm a private contractor, I may need to get the vaccine.
Since my dad is the owner, I will tell him that I quit if I'm required.
Wait, OK.
lydia smith
Do it.
tim pool
Wait, your boss?
sagnik basu
Is your dad?
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
I think his boss is not his dad.
unidentified
OK.
tim pool
His dad owns it, but he has someone.
sagnik basu
Oh, got it.
That'd be awesome.
tim pool
Gabriel Martinez says, I bet Tim is vaccinated.
Everybody ask if he is.
And I will respond with, when was the last time you had sex with your wife?
lydia smith
Classic.
tim pool
Yeah, I think my position is strictly, you go to your doctor.
You talked about what's right for you.
Nobody else's business.
One of the biggest problems I have with the mandate is that there could be someone who's got like a weird medical issue, it's embarrassing, and then you go to the restaurant with your friends and they're like, where's your Vax card?
And then you got to be like, I'd like to publicly announce on my friends that I have a very embarrassing condition.
jorge ventura
Right.
tim pool
Nah, it's none of anybody's business, you know?
All right, let's see.
Nick S says, Tim, I know you're joking, but please stop talking about how rich you are.
Even in jest, it's becoming a little ridiculous.
You see, the point of it is not a single actual leftist rich person will come out and ever admit that they're exempt from all of this.
So how do you get a regular working class person who's not paying attention to wake up?
Okay, tell them straight up.
Yo.
If you're rich in this country, if you're rich in this world, you are 100% exempt from everything.
So there's that meme that goes around, if the penalty for a crime is a fine, it's only illegal for the lower class.
But there are some countries that do speeding tickets by percentage of your income, so that's brutal.
unidentified
That's brutal, yeah.
tim pool
Like some rich dude driving down the road and he gets pulled over and he's like, alright, let's see, that'll be a $100,000 ticket.
The guy's like, oh, that's bad.
Yeah, it's brutal.
Yeah, but in the U.S., I used to live in Wrigleyville, near Cubs Field.
Wrigley Field.
People would just park illegally, blocking my driveway, like my apartment or whatever, because they were like, we don't care.
It's $100.
Yep.
$100 ticket, cheaper than parking.
So they would just say whatever.
They'd be parked, like double parked on the side.
Don't care.
They're not going to tow.
They can't tow everybody.
So people just park.
They probably still do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Eric Speed says, hello, please tell Ian that there are both vented and unvented N95 masks.
Also, if Ian, check out heirloom wheat, like Anson Mills.
Thanks for doing what you do, Tim.
All right.
There you go.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
T-Baz says, F yeah, that rant is worth my first super chat.
See, some people liked the, you know, yelling at people because they're letting the rich get away with all this stuff.
jorge ventura
That's good.
tim pool
The Plague Doctor says we don't get the vaccine because we see it's not effective, and how many people have had horrible reactions?
It damaged my heart, and since I can't get the booster shot, I am losing my career.
F them.
unidentified
Wait, are they mandating the booster for you?
jorge ventura
It's over 65 and up on the booster.
tim pool
Yeah.
jorge ventura
Yeah, FDA didn't approve it for everyone.
Yet.
tim pool
It's coming.
jorge ventura
It's coming.
Be careful.
ian crossland
We may be manifesting a dystopian future if we talk about that.
lydia smith
It's already here.
jorge ventura
I don't think so.
ian crossland
The future's never here, you know?
This is the present.
tim pool
I think we talked about, with Luke, Freedomistan.
Did we talk about that on the show?
unidentified
Did we?
ian crossland
I don't know.
unidentified
Last week?
tim pool
No, a while ago.
Yeah, Freedomstan.
It means like Freedom City, but you know, Stan means city.
So, um, I think we talked about it like a member segment a year ago.
Well, not a year ago, like back in February when Luke was here, where we were like, why don't we just get a big plot of acreage in the middle of nowhere?
That's like really cheap.
And then just start like building stuff on it.
We're doing it.
We did it.
Apparently there's some like very wealthy investors that want to get involved.
And I'm like, ah, no, we're going to, we're going to have his place.
And it's, you know, just big open acreage, freedom of stand, you know, freedom city.
That's basically what it means.
ian crossland
I'm going to build a solar road and show you that it works.
tim pool
Okay, Ian raise the funds for a solar load Now what does make sense for a solar road is shielding the road with Something above it with solar panels around it and then it prevents some weathering on the road keeps them dry So you don't got a salt and you don't got a sand and stuff like that stops wear and tear But you got to focus on the solar panels above it.
So you'd be basically building a scaffold over Road, so I read stuff about that.
ian crossland
That's interesting Yeah, there's one of those in Asia somewhere I was looking at.
tim pool
Yeah, like the whole thing is covered with solar panels.
It protects the road.
unidentified
It has to be.
tim pool
But then you got to maintain the solar panels on top.
So.
All right.
Jillian says, Tim, you need an app for your website.
I hate supporting YouTube to watch it on my mobile.
Yes, we are in the process.
It's not easy.
So, you know, you can only do so much work with so many people.
Shrek, God says you are only safe when you are free.
I agree.
Absolutely.
ian crossland
Oh, I was thinking the whole point of cities is kind of safety.
Since the beginning of time, humans came together fleeing from big bears and they formed these little villages to protect themselves.
lydia smith
You just solved one of my main questions, which is why these big cities always turn so darn blue.
And I'm willing to bet that it's because it's more important to them to have security than to have freedom.
Interesting.
unidentified
Huh.
lydia smith
Nailed it.
tim pool
When you live out in the middle of nowhere in West Virginia, we got a Facebook group, and they're like, hey guys, saw a bear down at the, you know, at the turn.
And then people are like, got it.
And they just go out with their guns.
unidentified
Sheesh.
tim pool
You know?
You don't gotta worry about it.
Or an air horn.
unidentified
Bang!
tim pool
Scare them away.
Katie says, hey Tim and crew, thanks for doing all the work you do, even to y'all we can't see or hear.
Do you guys have any advice on starting a website and your own server?
ian crossland
Uh, I was reading about vented face masks.
So starting a website and a server for the Fediverse project we're working on.
Open Network Foundation is the name of the company, the charity that we have just started.
And that's how we're going to be doing it.
Um, I'm yeah, sure.
Why not?
What do you have in mind?
tim pool
She was asking how to do it.
ian crossland
How to start a server on a website?
tim pool
Just how do you start a server on a website?
ian crossland
The server thing, I'm not too familiar with.
I mean, to start a website... Squarespace.
Yeah, Squarespace, godaddy.com, porkbun.com.
But I mean, someone else is going to be hosting it for you.
So if you want to host it locally, you'll have to do it, you know, on like hard drives.
Raspberry Pis, you can set up servers on Raspberry Pis at your house and do it through that.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Well, once we have the Fativerse project up and running where people can have their own independent websites that sync and all this stuff, it's going to be groundbreaking.
ian crossland
Yeah, we could build Raspberry Pis with preloaded software that we could sell.
tim pool
Hey, look at this.
Oh, that's a good idea.
Wooden says, you can walk across the George Washington Bridge from New York State to go to New Jersey State.
Thank you, Tim.
Hey, there you go.
All right.
Damon Bullock says, Tim, my sister is a medical worker in central North Carolina.
She got her religious exemption and a lot of her coworkers didn't.
They quit principles over career.
Bravo.
unidentified
Wow.
jorge ventura
I wonder why she got it and the others didn't.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
I'm curious.
tim pool
Steven Taylor says, much love from Utah.
First time super chat, gonna miss the show during the elk hunt.
lydia smith
Ha ha, have fun!
tim pool
Well, just record it, play it back later or whatever.
lydia smith
TiVo it, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, TiVo.
Jared D says, Ian and Alex Jones vlog adventure.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, did you guys see the Cast Castle episode with little Ian Alex Jones animation at the beginning?
That's awesome.
He picked a mushroom that I highly recommend going and watching.
tim pool
Is that the one from after Alex was here?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's clipped our voices from the show and it's in the cartoon.
tim pool
That's cool.
One of the vlog episodes is behind the scenes with Alex Jones and it's getting tons of views.
ian crossland
He's such an amazing man.
tim pool
So that's youtube.com slash castcastle.
And we're ramping up the Castcastle production, the events.
We wanted to book an event.
We've been struggling to do events because there are like legal restrictions on what
you can do with certain zoned properties and things like that.
And so we thought we had solved it all and then we didn't and we're like maybe we can
do a small private friend, you know, you know, what's I'm so old I don't remember.
Not a party, but what's... A soiree?
No, no.
unidentified
Oh, shindig.
jorge ventura
Shindig.
tim pool
No, there was a word for like... It's not a party, it's smaller than that.
jorge ventura
Social gathering?
sagnik basu
A dotty?
tim pool
I suppose.
No, but like maybe like, you know, we were actually... We had some people we were booking and then just... Dude, venues don't want to book.
lydia smith
Dinner?
tim pool
It's hard.
You know, you got to book it way in advance and then some businesses just don't care anymore.
jorge ventura
Right.
tim pool
Business is too slow.
They're just like, I don't care.
So we're like, we'll have to build our own.
We're going to build our own.
Freedomistan.
sagnik basu
Yeah.
tim pool
And we're going to have, we're going to have a big stage and we're going to do events.
It's going to be epic.
It's going to be really, really awesome.
ian crossland
I'm excited for the underground, what we're going to build underground.
Six stories down with shipping containers.
tim pool
Ian wants to build a catacombs.
He wants to build miles upon miles of maze-like structures full of human bones.
ian crossland
I saw a picture in the French catacombs, there's like a statue of a guy coming out of the wall in the catacombs.
lydia smith
Yeah, I posted that, yeah.
tim pool
That's creepy.
lydia smith
So cool.
So cool!
Props to that guy.
tim pool
Nathaniel Hibbe says, my wife cares about this Gabby whatever.
It's the conspiracy and family drama she likes.
This might be anecdotal.
It's Real House Murder of Camping USA.
Yeah, it's true crime.
People love true crime.
ian crossland
So weird that all crime is true because it happened.
So there's a genre called true crime.
I don't get it.
That's just like reality TV crime or something?
jorge ventura
I enjoy watching the interrogations.
That to me is fascinating.
Um, so I watch those like, I could stay up all night just watching those.
So interrogation videos are great.
lydia smith
Somebody was saying that guys like the interrogation and women like the drama of being a victim, which was super interesting to me.
tim pool
We got a new show coming out, um, hopefully this week we're going to be having Shane Cashman on the show Friday to talk about mysteries and true crime and paranormal.
ian crossland
So true crime, what exactly does it mean?
It's, it's unsolved.
Is that what it is?
sagnik basu
It's like true crime.
What you said, like, there's a genre called true crime because, like, in TV you also see your, you know, fictional crime.
lydia smith
NCIS, yeah.
sagnik basu
So, like, Sherlock Holmes.
ian crossland
Oh, so like the O.J.
Simpson trial.
tim pool
People love Law & Order, right?
So imagine, you know, you, like, turn on a podcast and then you hear, like, this creepy music.
unidentified
And then a voice goes, the year was 1953, December 1st.
tim pool
A 17-year-old boy walks into a bodega in New York.
sagnik basu
Oh, I'm hooked.
I'm watching this.
unidentified
He reaches for a bag of potato chips and takes it without paying.
tim pool
This is the story of the stolen potato chips.
And then you'll hear the intro, and then there'll be a woman being like, I don't know why he took the chips.
Why did he take them?
And then it's like two hours long, and then they're like, he spent 50 years in prison, and then you're like, whoa.
And then it turns out he didn't actually do it.
It was a seagull the whole time.
unidentified
But they caught the seagull, and the seagull got the death penalty.
That's not really what true crime is.
sagnik basu
Did he send it to you?
lydia smith
He sold it to you?
tim pool
We should maybe do a parody true crime like that.
lydia smith
I'd love to.
ian crossland
Unsolved Mysteries was one of my favorite shows growing up.
tim pool
The seagull stole the chips the whole time.
lydia smith
Still at large.
unidentified
My son went to prison because of that seagull!
ian crossland
You get those pictures of the seagulls like dive bombing the ice cream cones and the people like losing.
lydia smith
What a villain.
sagnik basu
He came all the way from London.
The seagull, the annoying one.
tim pool
All right, well, now that we're past that.
Distraction.
Candice Scalf says, I love you, Ian.
LOL.
That's it.
That's the chat.
unidentified
Nice.
ian crossland
Thanks, Candice.
jorge ventura
I agree.
That's a tweet.
tim pool
But if that was it, what's the point of the rest of that?
You know, it makes me wonder if she's being serious, which is, I love Ian.
ian crossland
You never know.
jorge ventura
The women love Ian.
sagnik basu
That's true.
ian crossland
We're all humans.
Humans first.
tim pool
The Roz Rodriguez says, I work at the Texas border with the unaccompanied alien children that are crossing.
The average of children apprehended is over 400 a day.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Wow, man.
ian crossland
And then are they just released?
jorge ventura
Yeah, I think I was reading numbers.
It's like over 400 a day and around 570 get released into the United States every day, which according to the New York Times, one of those three migrant children are going to get lost in the system.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
So compassionate.
tim pool
Eric Allen says, I thought that college students were supposed to be idealistic and willing to buck the system.
Maybe it just comes and goes in waves, you know?
jorge ventura
No, they rage for the system now.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
That's cool now.
tim pool
Master Gamer says, Tim, would it be better to protest by not voting at all to show any hidden motives the Democrats would reveal?
Messed up my first super chit.
Well, there's an interesting argument.
I say, stand up for what you believe in, don't just give in and let them sweep through, but there's a lot of, I guess, I don't know what the right word is, how you describe these people, but there's a lot of people on the right who are like, it would be better if the Democrats win a sweeping super majority across the board, because then it would force all the Republicans in the country to snap into some kind of action and then cause some kind of divorce or civil war or whatever.
Yeah, I don't know if that's true or that would happen, but a lot of people are like, you know, when Trump comes out and says, it's rigged.
What's the point?
And then people are like, I don't care.
I'm not going to vote.
I mean, it's true.
If the Democrats control literally everything, independent voters and Republicans are going to just recoil.
And then there would be a huge snapback.
ian crossland
Maybe, maybe if we're lucky there.
jorge ventura
I mean, yeah, we kind of saw the emergence of the Tea Party after Obama.
We don't know if we need another one again.
We'll see.
tim pool
Jason Cisneros says, the company next to my company's office requires all employees to be vaccinated and tested daily.
unidentified
Wow.
jorge ventura
That's horrible.
Daily?
ian crossland
Daily?
sagnik basu
Like that thing up your nose every day?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Hanamagi says, Tim, it wasn't just on TikTok.
A lot of Gabby Petito's friends in the North Port area were really pushing it hard on Facebook and the local news.
ABC7, NBC2, Wink Florida.
I'll show you in a message on Twitter if you'd like.
Oh, interesting.
Anno says, America is going to collapse so bad and it's going to be hell in this country with all these people, cartels, gangs, and the culture war BS.
All this is done on purpose in the name of population control.
I'm not entirely convinced, but I think, you know, certainly the climate change people have said the best thing you can do for the environment is not have kids.
So there's certainly that element.
I think it's funny.
Somebody chatted saying, like, if Tim thinks he'll get out of this unscathed, ha!
It's like, when have I ever said that?
I'm like, no, it's gonna get bad.
That's why I'm buying beans.
That's why we have emergency beans.
Cause I'm pretty sure it's gonna suck for everyone.
But you know what?
I got chickens.
We have 15 chickens now, you know why?
A lot of people don't understand this.
But if you buy chickens and put them in the same place for an extended period, one day it'll come out.
More chickens!
Just like that!
It's weird, isn't it?
lydia smith
Beautiful.
ian crossland
A lot of eggs, man.
You just feed them grass and just eat a lot of eggs.
tim pool
I mean, technically, you know, chickens just live.
So as long as you can protect them with enough space, they will eat bugs all day.
And then they'll have babies.
But if you give them feed, they'll have babies faster.
sagnik basu
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, our chickens are fat and happy.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
And so we have eight babies from the original.
We had six, then we adopted another one, so we had seven.
And then they had a bunch of babies.
And Dorothy, the adopted chicken, is brooding.
So she's all like puffed up and wide and like with a weird look on her face, sitting on the eggs.
Here's the problem, though.
She's been sitting on the eggs for a few weeks.
And nothing's happened.
And I'm like, these eggs, you know, this happens.
They may be unfertilized or bad.
And so what we may have to do is clear out the eggs and she probably won't stop brooding.
We'll have to then take the eggs and incubate them.
Then when the babies are born, pick her up, put the baby underneath her.
And then she's like, here's the peeping and goes like, whoa.
And then doesn't realize we did all that.
ian crossland
We've been raising, uh, we raised this, like, these five chicks in the green room where we play music.
And one of them is singing.
One of them sings.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
He picked it up last night and it was singing.
unidentified
It's not singing.
ian crossland
It's like a movie.
A unique sound that none of the other chickens make.
tim pool
So one of the, so we have five black star chicks.
It's a Rhode Island red rooster with a barred Plymouth rock hen.
We have two girls, they're jet black.
Like that's what happens.
The girls are black, the boys are barred, meaning they're white and black.
And of the three boys, one of them has a chirp that is like I've not heard from any of the other chickens.
So while the babies go beep beep beep, this one goes like...
unidentified
**whistles** He's like a songbird.
ian crossland
We're going to breed him.
tim pool
Yeah, so I'm like, that's the one we want to keep.
And then what we do is, we get that when he grows up.
He will, you know, fertilize all the other, you know, eggs.
And then once those eggs are born, we'll wait and listen to the ones that sing properly.
And if they don't, we just get, you know, we cull them.
You know what I mean?
Like, I'm kidding.
Quite literally.
So we've had people on the show who have chickens and we're like, what do you do with the roosters when they're born?
Like, you cull them.
Yeah, like at factories they throw them in a grinder.
unidentified
Sucks.
tim pool
Cause like you can't have roosters.
So we have, we have five male, we have five males now.
We have one rooster and then the babies, the cockerels.
So we could maybe keep one of them.
The, uh, Roberto's first born son is Roberto Jr.
That's what we named him, Roberto.
Yeah, his name is Roberto Jr.
And he looks like him, too.
We nicknamed him Snaggletoe because his toe was bent the wrong way.
It was like a birth defect.
Yeah, it was a birth defect.
But we call him, his name is Roberto Jr.
And then we have the two, so there was a girl was born from Margaret and Roberto, then from Katerina and Roberto, and then Margaret and Roberto.
That's the order they were born in.
And so the second born baby was Roberto's first born son.
ian crossland
I just bought a bunch of earplugs last night.
I'm prepping for the move of Chicken City because it's going to be basically outside of my bedroom window.
lydia smith
Oh boy, good luck with that.
unidentified
I'll let you guys know next time.
tim pool
All right, let's read.
We got Gus Gus.
He says, 170 employees.
I work at Legacy Health in Portland, Oregon, and they just denied over 800 of us medical and religious exemptions.
Thursday is last day.
jorge ventura
Wow.
That's going to be a big story.
lydia smith
That'll be huge.
jorge ventura
Where's that again, Tim?
I'll try to read it.
tim pool
Legacy Health in Portland.
Okay.
Yup.
800 people.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But how many are going to be like, okay, I guess I'll just get vaccinated.
And then it'll end up being like 70 people fired.
lydia smith
Maybe.
tim pool
Commander Trashpanda says, I'm a pharmacist at Novant.
Last year we couldn't mask, talk about COVID, or we'd be fired.
Now we have to or get fired.
Novant is ultra woke.
Our admin brags about the leaders on vax mandates.
Wow.
Cody Wheeler says, everyone knows about the cartel grows in Cali, but nobody is talking about all the cartel grows that popped up in Southern Oregon.
I work at a plant nursery in Klamath County, and earlier this year we had a $60,000 soil order.
jorge ventura
Yeah, they're in Washington State, they're in Oregon, but they're wreaking havoc in California because of that Prop 64 and knocking down illegal cultivation from a misdemeanor to a felony.
Yeah.
tim pool
Here's a good idea for you.
Uh, for a beef nasty says you thought of, uh, you thought of making replicas of these bracelets to sell, to spread awareness, donate profits, profits to stop this.
Something I can physically show to family to spread the word.
Cause it might hit home stronger than just another story.
jorge ventura
No, that's a fantastic idea.
And that's why I even brought this here.
It's a game here.
When you see it in person, it's real.
But that's a fantastic idea, actually.
lydia smith
That's a great idea.
I like that.
Yeah.
ian crossland
These are dirty.
There's dirt on them.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
But make replicas and then, you know, sell them for 20 bucks and have all the proceeds go towards... Something like human trafficking organizations.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Like to anti-human trafficking organizations.
jorge ventura
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
I don't know why you'd want to support them.
tim pool
You walk up to the human traffickers, we raised all this money for you.
unidentified
We all pitched in to help.
tim pool
You know, but maybe if you give one of these smugglers a million bucks, you might quit and be like, I'm retiring.
ian crossland
It's a money thing, right?
Like if they're doing it for desperation, cause they need money.
unidentified
A lot of the cartels, everything's all money, money, money, money, money.
lydia smith
A lot of money.
tim pool
I'm gonna check that out.
Everyone should read the storm before the storm the beginning of the end of the Roman Republic by Mike Duncan
I believe the immigration in Rome was during the collapse of the Empire not the Republic the Republic collapse is
more in line with us Oh, so we're gonna become the Empire
God I like that title already Is that having the Republic collapse and became an empire?
ian crossland
Yeah, the Empire Julius Caesar, you know, invaded the capital and took over basically.
And then like hundreds of years later, the Empire started to crumble and all this migration from the Huns of like 500 AD or a little bit before that from the Northeast.
jorge ventura
Wow.
Okay, gotta check that one out.
I gotta get on my, like, I gotta start reading about that stuff.
sagnik basu
Reading?
When you're not swimming with the Haitians?
tim pool
Heath Hansen says, Migration crisis, huge part of the collapse of Rome.
The Huns caused a huge shift of barbarians that crossed borders in multiple ways that the Empire struggled and eventually failed to manage.
lydia smith
Interesting.
ian crossland
It's incredible.
Kings and Generals YouTube channel.
Look it up on them and watch fantastic documentaries about it.
unidentified
Okay.
jorge ventura
Yeah, I'm gonna check it out.
lydia smith
Yeah, listen to him.
tim pool
Derek Elwell says, Hey Tim, I finally became a member last night.
Is there any way to watch the members clip live?
And if there isn't, will there be an option to soon?
We record those.
They're not live broadcast.
The member segments we record and then upload.
So they're done differently, I guess.
We are going to be having... So here's the plan.
The new show we're launching probably this week.
I think it's basically ready to go.
We're just setting up the accounts now to make sure everything's in line and we have the domains and stuff.
And then we're gonna have Shane Cashman, who's the writer for the mystery show, on Friday to talk about just a bunch of really cool stuff.
True crime, murder mysteries.
The goal, the point, uh, the show is going to be, there's like a 15 to 20 minute show with full sound effects, music, when, you know, like I was explaining to Ian, but more seriously.
So when you have, you know, Shane doing voiceover and he says, you know, I was walking down the street at night investigating and a car drives by, then you'll hear the actual car pan from left to right and all that cool sound effects.
And then for the members content, we're going to have Shane hanging out with one of the members of the crew and potentially other guests talking about the story and other issues around it.
So there's one thing we really hope to do with Alex Jones, if he's ever interested in coming back on, which would be awesome, is to have Alex sit with Shane discussing one of his stories and conspiracies.
Because it'll be fascinating for Shane, who actually travels and does on-the-ground investigations.
We're actually investigating a story about Confederate gold.
To then hear Alex Jones talk about his knowledge of all these crazy stories and experiences would be fantastic.
The other thing we want to do with Alex is just put Alex and Ian in a room and turn the camera on and we'll all leave.
I'd watch that.
I feel like it's like it would be like when you turn a camera on and point it at a TV and then you get an endless like recursive loop of the screen.
ian crossland
I'd watch that.
Except you'll see images of Thomas Jefferson and the Illuminati and Ben Franklin swirling around.
tim pool
Ian and Alex talking would like create a hyper time spiral as you're watching it.
Words would slowly become meaningless.
They'd be like shaking like crazy and there'd be light emerging from the center of the room and you'd be like, what's happening?
ian crossland
Alex's dad was like, they wanted him to join the, basically they wanted to co-op them into the Deep State, but he wouldn't do it, according to him.
So his dad's like, Right on the precipice, he knew, you know, he saw a lot.
And Alex listened to it as a young man.
tim pool
I remember Alex said that.
I think he said it the first time he was on the show, that they've tried to recruit him, but he doesn't want to do it.
ian crossland
And I'm like... That's one that we can't fact check.
tim pool
I don't know if I believe that.
That's an anecdote.
I don't think there's like an Illuminati that shows up at your door and knocks and is like, would you like to join us and save the world?
And Alex was like, I'm not going to do it.
And I just don't believe something like that would happen.
Granted, I don't think it was that, you know, cartoonish.
There may have been special interests who are like, hey, look, you know, play ball.
I do know that Vice, for instance, had phone calls from the State Department about some of the stuff they were doing.
unidentified
And well, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
But then, of course, look, you know, Joe, I think Obama and Biden had they went to the vice office.
I don't know about Obama, but I think Biden did.
And they interviewed Obama.
So they were totally on board with the establishment agenda.
You know what I mean?
There it is.
ian crossland
Yeah, psychic energy is real.
tim pool
We have not had anything like that.
We have no, uh, there are a lot of billionaires apparently heavily interested in Fredamistan because the idea like me, like Luke was talking about, we're talking about having like this place where we would just be like, set up a small little spot where you can live and it's like a freedom community or something.
And apparently there's a bunch of like wealthy investors that were like, we want to be involved in that.
And I'm like, but we don't need that kind of support.
You know what I mean?
We don't want, maybe, you know, how about you buy the space next to where we're at and
you can do your thing and that'd be cool.
And like, we'll do our thing.
jorge ventura
Yeah.
They probably got some agenda behind it too.
tim pool
I don't necessarily think.
I mean, maybe the agenda is freedom, you know, but we don't need, we don't want to create that kind of community.
We want to create a community of someone who's going to like build a mud hut and then live in it and be like, I enjoy this.
And we'll be like, that's cool.
Like someone who works really, really hard and is totally self-sustainable and like homesteading from a hut they build themselves.
That's great.
ian crossland
What's that?
What's that YouTube channel that dude that like builds?
tim pool
Ancient technology or whatever.
ian crossland
Is that what it is?
lydia smith
Yeah, so good.
Like a spoon.
ian crossland
I gotta look it up.
lydia smith
Build a freaking castle.
tim pool
Alright, let's read a couple more here.
Takumsa says Yuri Bezmenov was right.
That's correct.
lydia smith
So I hear.
tim pool
Siegfried says, in lighter news, Tim, thanks to you and another super chat for turning me on to Erefureta.
Love it.
Erefureta.
It's an anime.
It's really good.
I should watch more of it.
It's pretty cool.
So if you guys want to check that out, there you go.
And let's see what we got here.
ian crossland
Primitive technology.
tim pool
That's the YouTube channel.
He's fantastic.
There you go.
lydia smith
So cool.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Gmoney says, Hello, Timoth.
I left my job at B4 and MBB to start my own consulting firm to help small businesses thrive in the upcoming industrial revolution.
Siebert Strategia.
lydia smith
Very cool.
unidentified
Yeah, cool.
tim pool
All right, here we'll do one more.
Matthew Vance says, Navy Seal in his dress blues was shadowing Millie today, even sitting behind him while testifying.
What was in the briefcase he was carrying?
Why isn't the nuke football with the president?
Why is it with the JCS?
Great work.
jorge ventura
That's a good question.
tim pool
interesting well my friends
thanks for hanging out it's been a blast make sure you go to timcast.com become a
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or so p.m. tonight you can uh uh subscribe to this channel like this video
share the show with your friends you can follow me personally at timcast you can
follow the show at timcast irl do you guys want to shout anything out
jorge ventura
yeah um you know follow me on social media on On Twitter, it's VenturaReport.
Instagram is JorgeVenturaTV.
You can also subscribe to the Daily Caller YouTube, where our documentary on these cartels are going to release next week.
So, really excited for it because, like I said, we did a deep dive.
We did more, we just went full on, like, trying to give you guys as much footage.
No local news even went, like, would step up to a cartel or anything.
So, we stepped up to them, filmed them, flew drones over them, did a full thing.
So, we're excited.
Stay tuned for that.
Also, we're going to continue our border coverage.
Obviously, we still have a crisis there and we're going to give it as much attention as it is.
So, we'll be back in Texas.
sagnik basu
I'm Sagnig Basu.
You can follow me on Twitter at Sagnig Basu.
S-A-G-N-I-G-B-A-S-U.
And like George said, just keep an eye out for the documentary.
We put a lot of work into it.
jorge ventura
Our safety.
We ran into some cartel out there.
sagnik basu
As a journalist, reporter, producer, whatever you want to call it.
In DC, I've never had to experience like these kind of situations ever.
So this was like a first for me.
jorge ventura
Should be out next week.
sagnik basu
Yeah, so the stakes were high and the product matches it.
ian crossland
Where's the documentary going live?
jorge ventura
It's gonna go live on the Daily Caller YouTube and all of our channels, but we're gonna promote it everywhere.
We'll have it out.
I think it's gonna be very informative because I think a lot of people don't know about what's going on.
ian crossland
Thanks for coming, man.
Thanks for coming, dude.
Thanks for bringing these, too, because this is hit home.
I want to remind people, this was on someone's arm or their ankle yesterday?
jorge ventura
Last night, yeah, in Roma, in Texas.
sagnik basu
These shows, they're just commodities as of now.
ian crossland
Well, this is commodity number 4,186.
That's a lot of commodities.
Thanks again.
sagnik basu
Thanks for coming.
lydia smith
I'm continuously impressed with the work of these guys doing.
So I'm really, really looking forward to this documentary.
It's true.
It's 100% true.
Your documentaries have been great, especially from the ones in California.
Talk to those parents and business owners and whatnot.
You guys may follow me on Twitter at Sarah Patchlitz.
tim pool
Don't forget to smash that like button on your way out and go over to TimCast.com.
We will see you there on 11 or so p.m.
Thanks for hanging out.
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