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Timcast IRL - MSM FINALLY Confirms Hunter Biden Laptop Story Proving Media LIED w/Daniel Turner
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tim pool
the mainstream media.
Politico finally says the Hunter Biden laptop story is confirmed.
A reporter's publishing a book where they actually corroborated emails with witnesses that the deals between the Bidens in China and Ukraine and 10% held by H for the big guy.
Yeah, apparently it's all real.
And you know what?
It doesn't feel like news because we know.
But at least now we're finally getting acknowledgement.
And that's pretty big considering the ineptitude of the Biden administration and the chaos that we're witnessing.
The Democratic agenda is on the verge of failing.
Republicans are threatening to hold up the budget bill.
The Squad is getting the Iron Dome budgeting pulled from Israel.
Now Israel's panicking.
The border's in shambles.
Biden has been unable to deal with anything.
And now the media's coming out like, oh, that Hunter Biden stuff?
It's real.
I gotta wonder, at what point do they 25th Amendment Joe Biden?
So we've got that to talk about.
We've got a bunch of other stories to talk about.
A lot of weird stories.
You know, there's that whipping scandal with the horses in Texas, and it's just, like, not true.
We've got weird stories about smugglers smuggling in KFC, I think it was, to Auckland.
Apparently it's a South Park episode.
Too much of South Park has come true, you guys.
So we're hanging out with a couple.
We've got Daniel Turner hanging out.
daniel turner
Thank you.
Always good to be back.
tim pool
You want to introduce yourself?
daniel turner
Yeah, Daniel Turner, Power of the Future, Daniel Turner PTF on Twitter.
And it is always fun to be here with you fine folks.
So thanks for the invite.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And we got Chris Carr hanging out.
chris karr
Yes sir, that's right.
Thanks for having me.
Executive editor of the awesome Rockstar Journalist at TimCast.com.
Happy to be back.
It's always a pleasure.
unidentified
Absolutely.
chris karr
And to see you again as well, Daniel.
daniel turner
Good to see you, the nicest guy in the history of mankind.
I met you last time and I was like, I feel like I made a new best friend.
chris karr
I felt the same way.
That's what I went home and told my wife.
I was just like, Daniel and us, we're going to hang out.
unidentified
It's a good time.
chris karr
Good time.
ian crossland
Chris has also been making drinks.
I don't know if everyone knows yet, but he's quite a mixologist over there.
chris karr
Yeah, yeah.
We got a nice little menu put together.
Yeah, people are loving it.
ian crossland
Hi, I'm Ian Crossan, by the way.
tim pool
You made, like, the Republican?
chris karr
We got the Republican.
tim pool
Real quick, what is the Republican?
chris karr
The Republican is essentially just, I think it's like a Cosmo.
It's like an elevated Cosmo, basically.
But it's red.
tim pool
And what's the Democrat?
chris karr
The Democrat is a shot of Malort.
Room temperature.
tim pool
For those that don't know what Malort is, it's a Chicago novelty liqueur that apparently people in Chicago, I've never had it, but people in Chicago always tell people not from Chicago to try it because it's kind of a prank on them.
And the joke is that it's grown from the grass on the side of Interstate 55.
I'm not trying to disparage Malort.
We bought some.
We're fans.
We love it.
And we have made a drink of a room temperature shot of Malort.
ian crossland
Did you spin up the independent yet?
chris karr
Uh, not yet.
unidentified
Not yet.
chris karr
Oh, no.
Well, what we do have is a centrist, which is a, it's a, it's a martini.
That's like half vodka, half gin, just in case you can't decide.
tim pool
And we're, and we're focusing on mocktails, healthy ones, healthy drinks.
We've got, we got one in the bank called the sweetheart.
ian crossland
Oh, it's delicious.
lydia smith
It's really good.
tim pool
And it's made with Biotrust.
We're not promoting it, but they have this one thing that we made.
It's lemon juice.
It's this Biotrust Reds mix.
unidentified
It's so good.
ian crossland
It's like strawberry and beets, I think, are in there.
tim pool
It's like drinking tea.
chris karr
It's delicious.
tim pool
We are not promoting them right now.
We will promote them, I think, in a few days or whatever, but we're just pointing out we made a really awesome drink.
So yeah, we got Lydia.
lydia smith
I have really big news for everyone.
I realized tonight when I checked my Twitter and I checked Sour Patch Kids Twitter that I have surpassed Sour Patch Kids in followers.
So this is my goal in life.
I've reached it.
I've peaked.
I don't know what to do now.
I got nothing.
My next goal is a million, I guess.
That's what Ian said.
tim pool
Someone already super chatted us.
Malort is actually amazing.
OMG.
unidentified
How dare you?
tim pool
I don't know.
I haven't tried it.
chris karr
They're lying.
They're lying.
tim pool
So when you look it up on Google, it actually says it's a bitter astringent novelty drink.
And I'm like, I don't drink alcohol.
lydia smith
That's gross.
tim pool
That's why we have the fancy healthy drinks.
But my friends, let's get into this news.
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lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Because I don't know if you saw that episode last night, but I have no ability whatsoever to control a conversation when Alex Jones is here, but I asked Phil Labonte from All That Remains, like, Phil, I'm gonna need someone who's strong and capable to control- who can control a conversation, who can take charge in a room, and he's like, you got it.
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the show with your friends. Let's talk about the big political news that, in my opinion,
let me just, let me just, we'll start over. Here it is. Fox News. Politico confirmation
of Hunter Biden laptop materials prompts criticism of earlier suppression of story. Twitter blocked
sharing of New York Post story on laptop last year. So the New York Post told the truth.
Hunter Biden is, he's a crackhead, correct? He's a crackhead.
There's, there's photos and videos of him with like, women of the night.
lydia smith
Ill repute, yes.
tim pool
Smoking bongs.
I don't know if ill repute is fair and acceptable to our libertarian audience who think, you know, sex work is acceptable.
ian crossland
The oldest occupation on earth.
tim pool
That's why I say women of the night.
That's not offensive, is it?
lydia smith
Ladies of the night.
tim pool
I'm trying to be libertarian, although, you know, personally, not a fan, but you gotta be careful because I don't know.
That one's actually tough.
We should have a conversation about that maybe when we're not doing family-friendly stuff.
ian crossland
We could even have a prostitute on someday to give their personal experience.
A woman of the night.
tim pool
Anyway, Hunter Biden is a mess.
But I don't care.
You know what I mean?
Sure, he's a guy.
He does a thing.
A lot of people have problems.
I'm not here to revel in a man's problems.
The problem I have is it's not criticism of an earlier suppression of the story.
It's criticism of Democratic operatives working in media, working at big tech, suppressing news that would have hurt Joe Biden in the election to a great degree, not because Hunter Biden does drugs, but because the emails showed that 10% will be held by H for the big guy, that there were nefarious deals going on.
And we don't want a president going into office who has nefarious deals.
Now, back when Trump was running, they're like, Donald Trump has a secret server communicating with Russia.
Lies.
So when their criticism was, we don't want a president entering office who has these ties to foreign interests and is beholden to them and these debts, I'm like, all right, you know, I can accept that to a certain degree.
Now, it's one thing if you're a businessman like Trump and you have buildings with mortgages all over the world.
That's like saying we don't want someone who runs international business to be president for the sake that they, just because they run international business.
Now, to that extent, I will say true in some degree for Joe Biden, But when Joe Biden flies to Ukraine and says, fire the prosecutor, or you're not getting your billion dollar in loans, Joe Biden has no right to leverage the United States providing aid to Ukraine in a conflict with Russia, or potentially there's a conflict between Russia and Ukraine, threatening them, you know, we're going to pull out unless you fire this prosecutor.
And as Matt Taibbi reported, the prosecutor was investigating BRISMA, where his son was on the board.
That is dramatically different from Trump having debt in buildings.
So this story gets suppressed.
What do we get?
I think, you know, you look at the Rasmussen study.
Rasmussen did a study found, I think it was like, what, 7% to 10% of people?
lydia smith
Yeah, 9%?
tim pool
9%?
When asked, if you knew about the Hunter Biden stuff, would you have voted for Biden?
No.
So that would have been dramatically different.
Now, here we are, what's been happening?
Economy, inflation's through the roof, border crisis, Afghanistan crisis, domestic agenda's failing, the squad members are, I mean, I'm already at five, squad members are ripping the Democratic Party to shreds, which they've been doing for some time, but now they're pulling funding for the Iron Dome.
Wow, is the Biden administration completely Unfit.
Now here's my favorite part.
There was a poll back in August.
Most Americans think Joe Biden is unfit to be president.
Do you know what the poll today is?
is most the 48%. So it's not the majority because it's 48% think he's not even mentally
unidentified
48%.
tim pool
stable. Wow. This is where we are. When the meat.
When the media manipulates and lies on news we knew to be true, that we had already confirmed, that was independently confirmed by people looking at the emails, corroborating it, and they suppress this, this is why you end up with a cult that believes insane things, like the economy is good, and regular people of different political persuasions, like everyone here probably has, you know, different political worldviews, but we can recognize the truth when we see it.
daniel turner
I think what annoys me the most about this story is the media always is pulling their
weight in a certain favor, right?
I mean, we have innumerable examples of that in the Trump administration and going back
to as long as I've been following politics.
What bothers me the most about this particular episode is I cannot find, and I could be wrong,
but I can't find in my memory hole one other time that Twitter actually suspended technologically
the ability to share the story.
They have labeled things as inaccurate.
Facebook always puts their stamps on it.
But the fact that if you wanted to retweet the story you were not allowed to is a whole new level of crackdown that we never saw before.
chris karr
But you couldn't even send it in a private message, right?
tim pool
Yes.
chris karr
Didn't they crack down on that too?
You could even privately say that to somebody.
daniel turner
That is unbelievable.
tim pool
They suspended one of the oldest newspapers in this country.
daniel turner
Alexander Hamilton, 1799.
tim pool
And we all knew very early on the story was true because of independent corroboration.
Statements from people like Tony Bobulinski who came out and said, yes, I'm on those email chains.
Yes, those emails are real.
And we're like, OK, so I'm looking at this like it's not news.
We knew it was real.
What's the revelation?
But they suspended a newspaper.
And the crazy thing is it's taken It's it's how many months it's been almost a year and now
they're like Oh New York Post or something truth the whole time
daniel turner
That's where you have to go to Twitter the CEO and and they bring him before Congress all the time and and they never
ask Him hard questions. They never really ask the questions
they should but the question should be here are an example of ten other stories that
you could consider as Inflammatory as shocking as controversial you never suspect
that were also false You never suspended any of them.
So Twitter walk me through I get it private platform.
They can do whatever they want is the argument walk me through the criteria that for this story.
Someone made the decision to say this is why we have to suspend it as opposed to and you've dealt with this in your own personal life.
One person says all these things.
They're totally fine.
You say this and it's like suspended.
Well, what was the criteria and it seems to be well, I just don't like that person.
tim pool
It feels kind of like being in a band that was a one-hit wonder, and being like, you know, I had this big song back in the 80s, because a few years ago I went on the Joe Rogan podcast, and I was talking to Jack Dorsey, and it's like, people bring this up all the time, so that's kind of the point I'm making, but I showed them a tweet from Antifa, where they were like, everyone go to this place at this time to commit violence.
And I was like, how has this tweet been up for months?
And the replies to it are getting banned.
So clearly someone at Twitter sees this, bans replies, but lets that one stay.
I'm like, are you guys feds?
Cause the only reason I can understand that you would keep that up is it's bait from the feds.
And they're like, we, we didn't know about it.
Oh geez.
Oh no.
I'm like, nah, okay, look.
I'm done playing these games.
Some Trump supporter guy says, hashtag Learn to Code.
You know what it was?
It was the editor-in-chief of the Daily Caller, I think.
Jeffrey Ingersoll.
He didn't tweet at anybody.
He tweeted the hashtag.
He tweeted about Learn to Code, and they suspended him.
I got my details right, right?
daniel turner
Absolutely.
Yeah, I remember that.
It was hysterical.
But you can say it about coal miners.
I jumped on that because that's the response that they say all the time about people in the energy industry.
Well, you've got to learn to code.
It has been used as a learner skill that you need in the 21st century.
But you can't say that to, what was it, Gawker?
Journalists?
Was it when Gawker was fired?
tim pool
No, Gawker was one of those companies.
daniel turner
It was one of those publications that went down and that was pretty funny on his part.
tim pool
I hear you on the Congress stuff, but I really don't think there's anything you can do bringing these people before Congress.
I think they are duplicitous.
I think they are liars.
I think they keep calling in Jack Dorsey, who's a spokesperson figurehead who doesn't actually do anything with the company.
Because Jack tweeted the anatomy of the state by Rothbard, and everyone was like, whoa.
Because he clearly is not It is a weird thing from a tweet, considering he provides cover for the machine.
But I don't think he's actually running the show.
They keep bringing these people before Congress and saying, you know, you did this!
And they're like, oh, I'll get back to you?
Oh, I don't know.
Nothing happens.
Nothing changes.
I think this country is imploded already.
I mentioned it the day before.
I've mentioned it on my other show.
And you take a look at the fact that they've brought... How many times have they been pulled before Congress over this stuff?
Five?
I don't know.
There's no way there's going to be any meaningful legislation to deal with the suppression of our speech on these platforms.
And the left likes to say, but my private platform, and I'm like, it's an inane argument, okay?
They have conquered the commons, plus we're locked down in a lot of places, people can't go out, so this is how we're communicating.
At a certain point, when they control too much, we have antitrust laws, or we come in and we regulate, we do these things, we always do it, we normally do it, because we don't want companies usurping the power of the citizenry and the people, and suppressing the rights of the working class.
None of that's gonna happen, because there's no way that Republicans and Democrats will agree.
Even when we had Republicans in 2016-18, they were too stupid to realize what was happening, and now they're all getting banned, and they're all... But those were mostly, like, neocons, you know, Paul Ryan, stuff like that.
Now what we're seeing is, while the Republicans can't get anything done, Democrats are just cheating.
They're trying to put immigration reform in a spending bill.
Joe Biden is just ruling by decree, rubber stamping legislation as executive order, and then it just happens.
So all I see is, I was reading about decline of civilizations before, and there's a period at which, it's been a while but I can't get into specifics, where you'll start to see autocratic rule because It becomes so dysfunctional that the only way to actually move forward is for a sovereign to decree and say, we have to do this now, otherwise we're doing nothing.
So they force things to happen.
And that just exacerbates the destabilization.
daniel turner
There are two components to this story.
There's the censorship, which is extremely frustrating.
Suppression of free speech.
What it did to the election, etc.
But then there's the actual story itself, which is, how corrupt is this family?
I mean, obviously they've got an awful lot of skeletons in their closet.
And when you've got a sitting vice president who negotiated trade deals and planned for his future, and every president and vice president plans for their future, right?
I mean, they all know it's not going to last forever.
But he was using, clearly, the power of government to build himself a very profitable, very lucrative—heck, you saw it in his tax returns, right?
His last year as vice president, his net wealth was $407,000 that year, and then the year after it was $17-point-something million.
And you're like, wow, that's a really great profit margin.
We're very good gear.
But there's that level of corruption that you say, well, what were the trade deals that you were negotiating?
And again, the 10% for the big guy.
And they seem to be with pretty awful people, right?
It's with China.
It's with Ukraine.
And I hate to rag on Hunter Biden.
Well, actually, I don't, because he's a deplorable, vile human being.
brother dies of cancer and within the year you were sleeping with his wife you're leaving your own wife and your children to sleep with your dead brother's wife and then while you're sleeping with your former sister-in-law making your cousins now stepchildren you're sleeping with her sister simultaneously and in top of the sister you impregnate a stripper in alabama You are a scumbag.
I'm sorry.
There's no other way around that.
And I'm sorry.
Joe Biden must hate that he looks at Hunter because it reminds him the good son died.
And that's got to eat at him because you are truly a vile, vile human being.
To do that to your kids.
Imagine his poor kids.
And they show the kids all the time.
The grandkids.
Joe Biden's grandkids.
My dad was dead and this dirtbag is sleeping with my... What a disgusting family.
They're like the Kennedys without the money or the class.
chris karr
Wow.
Well, two things.
First of all, you did get me a little worked up talking about the lurid details of his love life.
That was pretty steamy.
Second of all, I would like to defend him because this man is an artist.
Okay?
This man is an artist.
And where would we be if it weren't for vile, deplorable human beings who create quality art?
I mean, it's fetching 75k.
So, he's an artist.
That's what happens.
That's what artists do.
They live wild, libertine lives.
daniel turner
This is why I said I love Chris.
unidentified
He's so damn funny!
tim pool
They cut deals with China and they kicked back 10% to the big guy while he's in office.
daniel turner
And no one has to know who bought the art.
tim pool
That sounds like money laundering.
I love pulling up this story because it's important.
For anybody who's like, how do I tell my friends and family about this stuff?
I think there's a lot of people who are in the cult who aren't.
I don't want to say too far gone, but very difficult to reach, and it's hard to get to him.
But at the very least, you can show them an article.
This is from Politico.
Biden, Inc.
daniel turner
That big right-of-center publication, Politico, right?
That's huge.
tim pool
Over his decades in office, middle-class Joe's family fortunes have closely tracked his political career, from August of 2019.
And I think they actually have like a graphic.
Look at this.
They show when Joe Biden enters the Senate, And then James Biden operates Seasons Change Nightclub with help from unusually generous bank loans.
Unusually.
In 87, he launches his first presidential campaign.
So about eight years later, his brother James and Sarah Biden's Lion Hall Group hired to push Washington's agenda of tobacco trial lures for Mississippi.
So the most important one, in my opinion, is... Let me try and find it.
I think it's 2011.
Let me see if I can.
Okay, here we go.
Where's Joe Biden?
Joe Biden sworn in as VIP.
2009 paradigms connections to Ponzi schemer Alan Stanford and the fraudulent Ponta Negra fund come to light.
James Biden and Hunter Biden begin to unwind paradigm.
James Biden joins Hillstone International.
In June of 2011, Hillstone International lands a $1.5 billion contract to build housing in Iraq.
So Joe Biden becomes vice president.
Joe Biden is put in charge of the Iraq operation.
His brother gets contracts for building in Iraq.
You look at this map put together by Politico, tracking his family's fortunes around him.
And it's just, come on, it's just so obvious.
daniel turner
I mean if the government, not the government, if CNN was able to track down through Facebook that old woman who shared a meme about President Trump and knocked on her door to ask her about it, you're gonna tell me the government can't put in some system to say if Chris becomes president Chris's sister can't get a 1.5 billion dollar contract?
Like all these things were just like oh my gosh we had, there was no safeguards for any of this.
chris karr
I mean it's just, it's mind-boggling the level of grift and corruption and scumbaggery it's just it breaks your heart because it makes you think there's no one left but but to the if you were to argue the side of the people the people on the other side of the aisle the people that are really hard to reach they're just gonna say oh that's politics politics yeah that's just how it goes what's the big deal so joe made some money i mean that's just that's how the system works they all do it yeah they all do it they'll do it look at trump yeah i'll tell you
tim pool
They'll cite some stories about Trump that are not the same, as I mentioned, or fake.
And this story from Joe Biden is from 2019.
It's not like he was running for office and there was a smear piece against him.
Now, I'm not going to pretend Trump's a saint, but there's a big difference between being some crazy real estate mogul who's got a bunch of buildings around the world and you have debts on them.
Like, I think it's funny when this story came out where they're like, Trump owes $500 million in debt on his properties.
People were like, whoa.
And I'm like, yeah, okay.
Those are his liabilities.
What are his assets?
And then Trump came out and he was like, yes, I have mortgages on buildings like everybody else.
And the buildings are worth a billion.
It's just lies.
Manipulation.
daniel turner
Yeah, and just the Biden, the unraveling of their level of corruption, I think, deserved to come to a head before the election.
It clearly did not.
But this is this is standard behavior for the media, where they either exacerbate stories that they think are interesting or fascinating or a narrative.
You could look to we're going to talk about Miss Petito later on.
Right.
There's a narrative they like to push of missing women.
There's a narrative about racism they like to push.
But then you have another story, you know, case in point.
There was a terrible school shooting three or four days ago in, I forget where it was.
chris karr
Newport News.
daniel turner
Newport News.
No coverage.
Because people looked at the narrative and they were like, eh, doesn't help the cause.
Nothing.
chris karr
I would like to say that we did cover that at TimCast News.
daniel turner
Good.
We did cover that.
As you should have, because it is newsworthy.
But this is where, you know, I think what bothers me about the media, just their level of disgusting behavior, because they push their narrative, is One of the very first things that happened when Trump was sworn into office, and I've followed Media Bias for a while, but this one I thought set the tone for his administration.
January 20th, 2017, it was 5.30 in the afternoon, hours after, and it was Zeke Miller, on behalf of the White House press pool, who tweeted, President Trump has removed the Martin Luther King bus from the Oval Office.
tim pool
Yes, right!
daniel turner
And Sean Spicer saw the tweet in real time and was like, dude, it's right there!
But it didn't matter.
The damage was done.
And he could have, as a good member of the press, said, Hey Sean, I gotta ask before I tweet this, did you remove the MLK bust?
And Spicer would have said, no, it's right there.
But he didn't verify because he won the damn narrative.
And that's what they do all the time.
And you just have to see that those things explode.
500,000 retweets, 1 million likes, but then the retraction.
tim pool
It's not journalism, it's gossip blogging.
daniel turner
It is.
tim pool
It is.
That's it.
daniel turner
Gawker started all that and now they're defunct, thank God.
No, no, they're back.
Well, they're back as NBC and Politico and everyone else.
tim pool
No, no, no, Gawker itself, a new version has re-emerged.
daniel turner
Is it still called Gawker?
tim pool
Yes, it is.
chris karr
Oh, gosh.
But it really started with yellow journalism, like there's been a long tried history of like really, I mean, just biased reporting.
So it's been around for a long time and it's just gotten worse.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
So there's money to be made.
You know, the crazy thing is we can see it now and we're shocked by it.
But imagine the stories you would have read in the paper in the 90s, the 80s, 90s, 2000s, before we had a strong Internet culture that was challenging and fact checking.
People just believed it.
WMDs, man.
daniel turner
Yeah, look at NBC News during the Trayvon Martin case, right?
Remember they edited the audio of Zimmerman, and it was like, and he said, he looks like blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah black, and they just clipped it.
He looks like he's black, and they were like, wow.
tim pool
He said something like, he looks like he's up to no good.
He looks black.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
And then it turns out, he said, he looks like he's up to no good.
And it says, is he white?
Is he Mexican or black?
And he goes, he's black.
daniel turner
They just took all that out.
ian crossland
Do you remember when the, on September 11th, when they said they found one of the guy's passports, one of the hijackers passports on the ground outside the wreckage.
Like it fell out of the airplane and landed on the ground.
I don't remember that.
That was media, that's insane.
daniel turner
Holy cow.
The one thing that survived amongst the rubble is his passport.
ian crossland
Yeah, they're like, we got it, we know who it is now.
daniel turner
Laid on top.
tim pool
Well, that's the official story.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Isn't that, what the heck?
Like a passport fell out of an airplane?
unidentified
What are they talking about?
daniel turner
Jet fuel doesn't melt passports.
tim pool
Apparently not, yeah.
I don't know why Ian went there with the story.
ian crossland
Pre-internet news.
That was like the end of the pre-internet news era, and then the weapons of mass destruction thing.
Now we kind of have an ability to fact check stuff on our own, but before the first war in Iraq, I wonder how much was going on there that we don't know about.
tim pool
I got a really good example for you guys.
You ready for this one?
We have this story from August 19th, 2021.
It is from CNN.
From Chris Aliza.
Ah, the great Chris Aliza.
Republicans keep trying to make Biden's mental capacity an issue.
Oh, no.
And then he goes on to mention people calling him out, you know, saying that his mental capacity is an issue and it's a Republican game and blah, blah, blah.
I'm not going to read this, right?
You know why?
Because I can just pull up first from a day later.
Most voters deem Biden unfit to be president, poll shows.
OK, OK.
Well, that's not Saying mental capacity, like Crystal Lizzo was challenging, but it does show that most voters think he's not capable of being president.
Now we have this story.
Less than half of Americans say Biden is mentally stable enough to serve as president.
Chris, it's not Republicans trying to make it an issue.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's people being polled saying his brain don't work.
daniel turner
It's an issue.
tim pool
Yeah.
I'm feeling pretty blackpilled on this.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
Because earlier today, I'm looking at all this news and I see this story.
Less than half of Americans say Biden is mentally stable enough to serve as president.
And I was like, Yeah, we know that.
And then I'm thinking to myself, so I did a segment on this where I was like, not as much about the fact that Biden can't function properly and everything's collapsing and the country's basically on fire.
And I was just like, I know the border's screwed up.
I know the economy's screwed up.
I know our foreign policy is screwed up.
I know the president has no idea what's going on.
And I know his cabinet's in shambles and they're confused.
Jen Psaki is muttering and stuttering and stammering and circling back.
And then I'm like, what am I even gonna say about this?
And then I was like, actually, If that's where we're at as a country, we are seriously... Screwed?
Well, I'll bleep myself.
We are bleeped.
Because we're at a point now where it is uninteresting to people to hear that the President of the United States is viewed as mentally unfit, not mentally stable enough, That we're seeing the catastrophe and the crisis across the country, and we've normalized to it to the point where it's not surprising to hear Americans don't see the president as stable, mentally stable.
lydia smith
I have a slightly different theory, and I wonder, I was developing this idea while we were talking about the Hunter Biden story.
So the laptop now is officially correct.
Everyone agrees.
The New York Post, of course, is shocked that this is the case.
But I think, I wonder if the Hunter Biden thing is a segue to being like, oh my gosh, Biden is incredibly corrupt.
Not only do most people think he's unfit to be president, like mentally unstable, they also think he's super corrupt.
Maybe we should just 25th Amendment him out of here.
daniel turner
I don't know.
So maybe Kamala Harris' team made this story get to Politico to say, let's just start, you know, doing the damage.
lydia smith
I don't know.
Just spitballing.
daniel turner
Yeah, that's a great, that's a great theory.
You mentioned Jen Psaki today and just again, The spinning of lives.
What we need is, we need, like, your parents.
Remember when you would get caught, like, either drunk or late or whatever as a kid, and you tried to tell your mom a story, and she was like, no.
Like, tell me what the hell actually happened.
Like, she wasn't buying it.
Jen Psaki today, when Peter Doocy asked, so you are asking Europeans to show their COVID passport, but if you cross the border illegally, you don't have to show your COVID passport.
And she said, well, yes, unlike the Europeans, the illegals are not planning to stay a long time.
And that was the end of the question.
And no one in the room was the mom to be like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold up.
You think the Europeans are staying a long time and the illegals are temporary?
Like, they're not here for travel.
Like, Jen, what you just said is a complete 180-degree lie.
They just like, oh, Jen Psaki said this, and they write it down, and they tweet it, and that's it.
And we need an adult to finally say, time out, time out, Jen.
That was just a lie.
We want to take that over again.
We just accept Lies.
tim pool
I mean, we would need a Michael Malice press secretary.
Yes.
lydia smith
Yes, we would.
tim pool
Mises Caucus, Libertarian, Dave Smith.
chris karr
I don't even care if this whole country becomes communist in 20 years.
If I can see Michael Malice's press secretary for one day, I will die happy.
That's all I want to see.
daniel turner
There's one guy in the diplomatic press corps, when I used to work at the State Department in the Bush administration a long, long time ago, and he's still there, Matt Lee, and he is by far the senior most foreign policy journalist.
And he used to make our lives miserable because I worked in the press office and he was ruthless and he's the only one but again it doesn't get as much attention because it's the foreign policy beat but he will just take them to task and say no no no hang on you just said this you said this yesterday that doesn't make any sense like if you ever watch his exchange he does not By BS.
ian crossland
It's really the difference between an investigative journalist and a reporter.
unidentified
A reporter's gonna say, you lied to him, and I'm just gonna report on the- Or the White House press pool, where they're all just like, oh, Jen Psaki said this, and they type it down.
ian crossland
We need more investigative journalists in there.
unidentified
Absolutely.
ian crossland
But they don't really get invited, right?
It's like an invite-only thing?
tim pool
No, it's the White House reporters.
They're just there to ask questions and report what's said.
They're not investigating.
But we definitely need... We need someone to challenge it, but I'll say this.
You know why?
Because when we look at stories about, you know, like the CNN, Republicans are trying to make it an issue that Biden's not mentally... Republicans pounce!
unidentified
And I'm like, it's not Republicans!
tim pool
Independent voters overwhelmingly disapprove of Joe Biden.
But everything, you know, I love it.
When I did the Russell Brand podcast and was talking about Civil War, And I just went to town as fast as I could on all the different points about like street fighting, January 6, all that stuff, and psychological warfare, fifth generational warfare.
And the comments were like, Tim Pool is a leftist.
You know, he says this about Trump.
Tim Pool is a right winger.
He says this about Biden.
And I'm just like, These people don't seem to realize that independent voters exist.
So they come out and they're like, it's just Republicans.
And I'm like, you know what's funny?
There was this researcher who did this thing on YouTube years ago, where he was tracking the political persuasions of YouTube recommendations.
And he was doing it because of this idea of the rabbit hole that they kept pushing.
And so he had, I think he basically had four categories, left, center, right, and exclusively critical of left.
And he initially put people like me and Dave Rubin in the category of exclusively critical of left.
And so I talked to him and I pointed out like why is that the case when I do express my opinions that are I think the real issue was we are taught we are complaining about Democrats.
But our opinions were not right-wing.
That was the only issue.
So if I said something like, hey, a Green New Deal that actually rebuilds infrastructure is a good thing, but the Democrats are pushing some weird socialist garbage about Universal College, that's not a Green New Deal.
He's like, you're just criticizing the left.
I'm like, I'm literally supporting a leftist policy.
But either the left was in favor of critical race theory, centrists were like mixed on it, and the right opposed it.
So if you opposed critical race theory, you were just called a critical of left.
I'm like, that's how people, even researchers, view what's happening right now.
And I'm like, isn't it perhaps you're a centrist then?
Or heterodox or something?
Or politically homeless?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Politics only flows in one direction.
If a right-wing dude stands next to a left-wing dude, the left-wing dude is called right-wing.
If a right-wing dude is hanging out with Antifa and they're all waving Antifa flags and he's got his arms around their shoulders with his thumbs up, they will say they're actually secret right-wingers.
chris karr
When I get into conversations with people, one of my favorite things to say is, OK, so you hear about the right wing a lot.
The right wing is obviously a problem in your view, right?
Oh, yeah, definitely, definitely.
The news is always reporting it.
There's a far right wing extremist.
I was just like, so is there a far left?
Oh, no, there's not a far left.
They just can't see it.
They refuse to see it.
It's willful blindness.
daniel turner
and legislatively they know that because that's why they have to look you
mentioned the green new deal with all this leftist garbage in it and i also oppose the green new deal
but they have to sneak that leftist garbage in it because if it stood on its
own they know they wouldn't have a vote for it look you mentioned at the
beginning of the show you mentioned the immigration bill Why are they trying to tag it into a spending bill?
Because they know they can't pass an immigration bill.
The immigration bill they want, so they have to squeeze it into, and that's just what our Congress does now.
If we could have a vote on this water bottle where everyone yay or nay water bottle, Congress would work.
But instead, it's like, well, we can't do that because I don't want to go on record about the water bottle.
Right.
Everything, and throw it on a 4,000, and that's where we are, 4,000 page, $3.5 trillion, we will vote on it on Christmas Eve at 9 o'clock at night, and that's what we do, because all of these things, if they stood on their own, I don't want to get judged on that, so we throw them all in this crap sandwich, and we call it like the For the Children of Tomorrow Holding Hands Across America Bill, and then they're like, and if you don't vote for this, Chris, you hate the troops, and they're like, and you hate America!
And it's like, I just want to vote on the water bottle!
Nope.
tim pool
But hold on, so why doesn't Rand Paul or Thomas Massey just slide stuff in?
I'll tell you this.
When they did the Omnibus Spending Bill, remember that?
5,000-something pages.
$12 million for Pakistani gender studies programs.
I don't know about any of you listening, but I don't care if you're on the left or the right.
We can all agree that spending $12 million on gender study programs in America is better than giving it to Pakistan.
At least you'd create American jobs.
Actually, I don't know if I agree with that necessarily.
We don't want weird But I get your point.
But why are we giving our money away for ridiculous things like this?
More importantly, when I see that, I'm like, Rand Paul, if you're listening, can you just write something very simple saying, and we abolish the Federal Reserve and just slide it in there?
Cause nobody read it!
Everybody votes on it and they're like, yay.
And then all of a sudden they're like, did we just abolish the Federal Reserve?
daniel turner
What do we do?
chris karr
So why doesn't he do that?
daniel turner
I don't know.
I think because they see the process as an honorable, righteous, constitutionally mandated and this is how we do it.
So we don't violate the rules.
When they have power, they violate the rules left and right.
But when we get power, we don't play by their rules.
Now there's a growing movement on the right, I would say it's led by a guy named Jesse Kelly, There is a growing movement of the right that says, when we get power, we will double down on that.
Because that is now what he is calling the new right.
When we get power, look, they're trying to not abolish the filibuster.
And people like Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema, a senator from Arizona, we're not going to abolish the filibuster.
It's part of our history.
If the right gets power in 2022, absolutely abolish the filibuster and torture these people.
Change all of the rules and take all of the power and crush your enemies.
I don't agree with that, I'm just saying that's what the new right says.
tim pool
Right, they're scared because I think it was Harry Reid who changed the rules.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
And so that backfired.
daniel turner
They said you will rue the day.
tim pool
And they did.
daniel turner
They did, and look what they got.
They got Gorsuch, they got the other guy, and the third one.
That's my memory.
They got Gorsuch, and they got Kavanaugh, and they got... Barry?
Amy Coney Barrett.
tim pool
Did you see this story?
Check this out, from The Guardian.
To protect the Supreme Court's legitimacy, a conservative justice should step down.
If presidents do not get to replace justices in election year, then Coney Barrett's confirmation is illegitimate.
If presidents do, then Gorsuch's is illegitimate.
You can't have it both ways.
They operate on lies.
The only way Lawrence Douglas is able to convince people of this stuff is by omitting key information.
Notably, that it is not about replacing a justice in election year.
Mitch McConnell was specifically talking about, if you do not control the Senate, they will not confirm your appointee and we would be wasting our time by having everyone sit around and then vote no.
Republicans are not going to approve Garland for you.
It was Garland, right?
For Obama.
So he was like, you don't have the Senate, you do not have the votes for confirmation, the country is not unified.
When it came to Amy Coney Barrett and Gorsuch, or Coney Barrett specifically, is that they had the presidency and the Senate.
So they were able to do it.
It's that simple.
They operate on lies. They use false arguments. And that's how they maintain control.
daniel turner
And don't forget when McConnell first said that, according to the New York Times,
Hillary Clinton had a 97% chance of winning. Hillary Clinton, although she would probably
deny this, Hillary Clinton probably when that happened was like, I agree with that,
because she was convinced with 97% chance she was going to win. And she wanted to appoint her own
justice to the Supreme Court.
She probably secretly and her team were like, that's awesome.
Yeah, let's hold the Merrick Garland one and we get to pick because we're going to win.
So much so they had ordered fireworks, right?
She was going to win.
tim pool
I remember that election.
It's a day to remember.
A lot of people are sharing a new report that CERN, Large Hadron Collider, is going to be firing up again.
And I don't know if you all know this, but didn't they fire up in 2016, smashing particles together or whatever?
ian crossland
Is that when they found the Higgs boson?
tim pool
No, I don't know, but the joke conspiracy is that they accidentally warped us into an alternate reality or something.
Somehow Donald Trump became president and all that stuff, and now they're doing it again, and who knows what's going to happen.
But this is the state of the country where the Democrats, the establishment media, are duplicitous.
They manipulate, they deceive, they use fake arguments.
And I'm no fan of the Republican Party.
I think they do nothing.
You literally have Republicans Here's what happens.
Democrats are like, we would like to strip the rights away from law-abiding citizens in this country.
And Republicans go, no, wait, don't.
And they say, well, you guys are at don't, we're at strip their rights.
How about we strip half of their rights?
And Republicans go, okay, good compromise.
daniel turner
Half of them, yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Here's what I want.
daniel turner
This isn't so bad.
tim pool
So I don't know about, you were just mentioning that, abolishing the filibuster.
That when Republicans get in, do it, abolish the filibuster, and then just trample over Democrats.
daniel turner
I don't want to see that happen.
I'm saying that's what people are saying.
Right, right.
tim pool
Yeah, but yeah.
So I think there's obviously people saying, let's do it, let's go nuclear.
I think that contributes to the gradual decline of the U.S.
system of governance.
And the reason we're seeing Democrats like Joe Biden bypass the legislature and Supreme
Court in violation of our norms and law is because they're tired.
They want to get things done.
They want to do things they can't.
This country used to move slowly.
You used to have to, like, ride on horseback to go to D.C.
to cast a vote, and policy moved slowly.
Now they're like, it must be done now!
Okay, here's what I want to see.
Lauren Boebert, would you please keep consistently filing bills to repeal the N.F.A.?
Can we get Marjorie Taylor Greene as well?
Thomas Massey, Rand Paul, all you guys, repeal the N.F.A.!
Give me a good reason why they would.
Why not?
Seriously, why not?
National Firearms Act.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Get rid of it.
We have the right to keep and bear arms.
I'm not saying that we would legitimately repeal the NFA, but at the very least, the terms of the argument should not be, no, wait, don't.
It should literally be like, okay, Democrats, you're at gun control.
We're at complete deregulation of all gun laws in the country.
How about we agree upon, we'll only ban fully auto?
How about we, we're going to repeal the NFA and then you could start arguing from our position on gun rights.
They don't do that.
Republicans never do this.
daniel turner
No, they, they buy into the common sense gun rules, right?
And that's just what you do.
You just rephrase it as common sense, gun protection, common sense, gun restrictions.
And now we've, we've, we've ceded to the argument that these are common sense as opposed to saying this isn't common sense.
This is unconstitutional.
tim pool
But it's not even- I don't mean to make it about a gun rights thing and be like, GUNS!
I'm saying, quite literally, when the Democrats go, UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE!
The Republicans don't go, DEREGULATION OF GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE.
They go, no, wait, don't.
And then the Democrats say, okay, you're at stop, and we're at government healthcare.
How about we meet halfway and do, you know, public option?
daniel turner
Yeah, which is most of the time what happens, and then they get most of what they wanted anyway.
tim pool
I would like to go back... And the Democrats tell people it's inverted.
That we're helpless, the Republicans are stopping us!
daniel turner
We wanted so much more.
I would just like to go back to single-issue votes like the water bottle.
I can't understand why we can't get people in Congress who will say, this is the bill, and it's a page and a half, and here's how much it costs, and it goes through the appropriate committee, and it goes through markup, and it makes it to... Instead we get these monster, monster, monster We don't even do the appropriation process right.
And that's why people like Joe Biden's brother get $1.5 trillion contracts.
It's rolled up into the Defense Reauthorization Act and no one knows where it is.
ian crossland
What's the appropriation process?
daniel turner
The way it should work is that it depends upon what the issue is.
So say it's transportation, right?
We want to build a bridge between these two states.
Federal government has to get a job.
It has to go through the Transportation Subcommittee.
The Department of Transportation has to make their proposal.
Transportation Subcommittee works it up.
Appropriations says, how much do we have in the Treasury?
And then those two then together bring it to the floor for the larger vote.
And then you've got to whip the votes and say, you're going to vote for my bridge and I'll vote for your bridge.
But if you vote for my bridge and then the Senate actually works.
ian crossland
But what's happening now?
daniel turner
We are just bypassing all that.
You know what's happening?
The Transportation Committee will have a markup on racism in the Transportation Department.
And they'll talk about the inherent racism of the taxi cab system.
Pete Buttigieg in his confirmation talked about how we must acknowledge as a country that most of our infrastructure was built on racism.
tim pool
And they say, if you don't vote for my bill, you hate the troops, you're racist, all that stuff.
You're not a big into the argument.
daniel turner
Then they'll take your bridge and they'll roll it into everything.
Well, you know what your bridge is?
It's going to come out in the $3.5 trillion along with everyone else's little.
ian crossland
Yes.
You're talking about appropriating funds for individual projects within a large.
daniel turner
Yeah.
And then the committee says, how much does the transportation department actually need next year?
What are all the projects we have?
What do they actually need?
Blah, blah, blah.
But we don't do that.
We're just like, we just make up numbers.
tim pool
You know how I've described what's going on with the culture war in the past?
I've said, it's like, imagine there's a big whirlpool that's spinning around and we're all in it.
And over time, it's getting tighter and compressing and spinning faster and faster and faster.
ian crossland
That's because we're getting lower in the pool.
As we go down, it gets tighter and faster.
tim pool
Maybe.
Maybe we're circling the drain.
That's a good way to put it.
I think in the real world, the reality is that the information is circulating faster and faster.
So the analogy I love the most is, imagine it's, you know, the Revolutionary Era and the Founding Fathers are like, We declare independence!
And they fold up the letter and they pour the wax on it and stamp it and they hand it to the carrier who rides on horseback to the boat, who puts it on the boat, who then gets the boat on the water for three months to make it back to the King of England.
And then in that three months after you send the letter, you're sitting there, you're working the crops or you're having meetings and discussions about independence.
And then, the king, the boat finally lands, it takes a few days to make it to the, from the port to the, to the, to the, to the king, and to parliament, and then the king reads it, and says, he had, and then he drafts a letter, and he says, I reject this, we're sending in troops, and then three months after that...
That's how things used to be.
You would say, we're gonna have a policy position.
How many times, like, if they were actually gonna go to D.C.
and actually have a vote, they had to physically go there, they'd have discussions, and they weren't hearing all of this stuff all over the place.
Like, if you lived in Virginia, and then someone came down from New York, you were hearing things for the first time.
Up in New York, we had a dam breach!
And now we've got water flooding these areas, we are not securing our... And then you'd be like, I didn't know that happened.
You guys ever see the movie News of the World with Tom Hanks?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
It was a reconstruction era, and he has newspapers from different cities, and he travels around the South with old newspapers, charging people a dime so they can sit down as he reads the news.
That's how things used to be today.
What happens is, someone goes on Twitter and says, abolish the police, and then someone else says, I agree, AOC, why aren't you abolishing the police?
And literally within like 10 minutes, she's like, I as a representative think we should abolish the police.
I'm not saying literally, I'm saying as an example.
So we're moving instantaneously, and then because she can't get it done in a session, because we're still using this old system of like, you know, Ian you're probably like this, we're meeting in person instead of doing things digitally.
Then people demand, if we can all see the problem, why can't we click a button and fix it?
Why are we waiting so long for this?
And then when it's not getting done, they say, let's just bypass the rules of the legislature.
Joe Biden says, let me just rule by executive order and bypass the Supreme Court, which told me what I'm doing is illegal, but I don't care, I'll do it anyway.
Because we demand instant satisfaction.
Whole system is about to burst.
It's burst already.
And now we're just waiting for the light to reach our eyes.
daniel turner
But even the example you used, which I liked, of the guy from Virginia heard about the damn breach from New York.
If that was happening in real time, probably in the back of his head was like, well, sorry New York, but I represent Virginia.
We don't even have that anymore.
Proof of that, and you mentioned our beloved Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
when she was caught maskless at that ball a couple weeks ago and her one her
initial response was well like as the congresswoman from New York like I'm
there for cultural reasons but it's also my constituency and you say no that was
in Manhattan you are Queens in the Bronx that museum isn't your
Like, there is no constitutional reason for you to say, I represent New York.
But in her mind, I'm fairly convinced she thinks I am the Congresswoman of New York.
tim pool
Yep.
daniel turner
You wish you were the congressperson who I think would be Jerry Nadler, if I'm right, but I could be wrong.
I think that's his district.
You would love for him to call it and be like, I'm sorry, child.
Like, that's my district.
Don't talk about my district, but that's what we do now.
We have members of Congress who are passing laws, senators who are passing laws about states that don't even represent.
We want to close ANWR, Patty Murray, Washington.
I've told the senators from Alaska to say, pass a bill that says apples are illegal.
tim pool
Consider this bill.
daniel turner
Because that's Washington.
tim pool
Consider this.
It's back in the, uh, let's, let's say, you know, 1800s at some point, early 1800s, and someone from Virginia goes to Congress and someone from New York comes down and says, we had a damn breach.
And he says that I represent Virginia.
I don't know.
I don't have to tell you, you know, we want to make sure we can help our, our, you know, our friends in New York.
So we'll see what we can do today.
Yeah.
you'll get me i'll avoid naming the specific companies will get a major
corporation going to happen virginia and say
vote for our bill so we can got the natural spring waters in new york
you see it it wasn't as easy to transfer money back then to communicate quickly
so you get to have a major corporations spokesman go down
to virginia to lobby specifically Possible.
It was done.
It was a lot harder.
Nowadays, you get a LinkedIn message, you get a list, you get a bunch of phone calls and emails.
daniel turner
You get texts non-stop.
tim pool
And there's a guy saying, look, you don't care about New York, right?
You represent Virginia?
Great, here's what we're going to do.
We think we should be able to harvest all the natural spring water from upstate New York.
There's people who live there, but don't worry, they're not going to sweat it one bit.
Besides, there's only 100 people up there.
We are going to make substantial contributions to your political action committees.
It's going to be fantastic.
You'll love it when you announce your re-election, or when you announce your election, or a wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
And then all of a sudden, somebody in Virginia who doesn't care about New York says, I'm in favor of the Clean Water Usurption Act, the Theft of Water Act.
I think it would be great if we could share the water with the country.
And it's really just, you're bought and paid for.
George Carlin, I think it was, he said we should put the patches all over their suits so we know who's sponsoring them.
daniel turner
I don't think I will ever run for office.
I just wish those who represented their areas had so much more pride and sense of ownership and sense of responsibility and sense of territorialness so that if another senator or congressperson was trying to pass laws or whatever about my area, the response is like, no, no, no, this is turf warfare.
You know, and it just bothers me that everyone thinks they are the senator of the country.
And there are great examples of that.
Lindsey Graham spends half his time in Afghanistan.
I am here because I am the senator.
You're the senator from South Carolina, a not hugely significant state.
No offense to South Carolinians who are watching.
Lovely state.
Have vacationed there many times.
But, like, you're the senator from South Carolina.
Stay in South Carolina.
care deeply about South Carolina.
But what these guys do is they run for office and Republicans, I think, sometimes are even
more guilty of this than Democrats.
Ted Cruz has been Senator of America.
Marco Rubio has been Senator of America since the day they got into office.
tim pool
They get their funding from all over the country.
daniel turner
And a lot of time their constituents hate them.
tim pool
Yep.
daniel turner
But they raise so much money on the national level that they keep winning.
But you know what's fascinating?
The last Ted Cruz race where he almost lost to Beto O'Rourke, who's a whole other thing, running for governor now.
Natural born Texans.
He lost the vote of natural-born Texans.
He won the Republican vote of people who moved to Texas.
Texans didn't like Ted Cruz.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about laws.
We'll talk about sound policy, and we'll make it about guns.
I want to take the opportunity to advance our gun discussion, because I like to.
We have this story from TimCast.com.
West Virginia's crime rates decline after state adopts constitutional carry law.
FBI data indicates a steady decline in violent crime since 2016, when the policy was approved by the state's legislature.
So I walk into a gun store, and I'm like, uh, so what do I have to do to buy a gun?
Like you got to fill out your NICS form, the National Instant Criminal Check System.
Uh, criminal.
daniel turner
Takes forever.
tim pool
Yeah, it depends.
Sometimes you could put on the delay list, but sometimes it's 15 minutes.
daniel turner
I'm always on the delay list because Daniel Turner is the most boring name in the world.
And there are, there are like 33,000 Daniel Turners and I'm always delayed.
tim pool
They gotta go through it.
So sometimes they can be like, come back in a few days, or they might just be like, you're being researched, give us a few minutes.
But in West Virginia, I'm like, okay, so do I need anything?
No, no.
I can just take this weapon right now?
Yeah.
I can put it on my belt?
Oh yeah.
You sure you don't want to do concealed carry?
I was like, yeah, you just put it right inside your belt.
And I'm like, really?
Yeah, it's West Virginia.
Constitutional carry.
You can't do it outside the state.
And they do recommend you get your concealed carry permit, meaning you take the test, you get approved and all that stuff because it does benefit you.
That is your background check, so you don't have to go through NICS anymore.
You can just walk in and buy.
But this is the perfect example.
People in West Virginia live in a very different world from people in New York City and Chicago.
So when you see national-level politicians, like basically what we were just talking about is that there are senators and there are congresspeople for the nation.
They actually literally represent one state or one district, but they fundraise off of everyone in the world.
So for those that missed the previous segment, we're basically saying like some guy in Virginia back in the day would go to DC, hear about a dam breaking in New York State, and be like, I represent West Virginia, I didn't hear anything about this, I don't know.
Nowadays, you'll get big corporations trying to get votes to crush New York state law by getting a federal law to like supersede it or by getting support from other places.
So this is what ends up happening.
You get Democrats who are like, we should ban guns.
I'm like, okay, you know what?
I'll say this.
First of all, Second Amendment.
So you can't just do that.
But I hear you.
If you live in Chicago, And you live in that world.
I don't live there anymore.
I can tell you what it was like living there.
It doesn't make sense for you to pass a law based on Chicago's problems on West Virginia.
Because in West Virginia, their crime went down when they told everybody, feel free to carry a weapon around.
And the example I always give people when they're like, you know, uh, we, we obviously, you know, uh, we have different properties here for Timcast.
And there are people who, you know, come from cities and they're worried about guns and stuff.
I, I, I tell people, look.
When I go outside, and I'm in New York.
You guys have been to New York, I imagine, of course.
chris karr
Used to live there.
daniel turner
Born and raised.
tim pool
Were you scared crossing the street?
daniel turner
Depends upon what stage of my life.
Oh, just like hit by a car?
Oh God, no.
No, we played in the street.
tim pool
People jaywalk in the street.
We played in the street.
They break open the fire hydrants in spring.
Imagine this.
In Chicago, in New York, you'll be driving around, you'll see a fire hydrant open up in spring in the street, right?
You've seen those before?
chris karr
Sure.
tim pool
It's in the middle of the street, you notice?
They're on basketball.
People would put basketball hoops up to the street, they would play, and when a car comes, car, and they'd move.
In Chicago, we would skate in the street, and when a car would come, car, and we'd move.
Imagine looking at this gigantic mass of metal hurtling at you at 35 to 40 miles an hour or whatever, depending on what part of the city you're in, and then freezing up and going, there are cars everywhere!
What do we do?
When I see people in West Virginia carrying guns, I don't even think about it.
I don't think someone in the car is going to veer off the road and slam into me.
Sometimes it happens.
And I don't think a guy who's got a gun is going to pull out and just start shooting randomly.
But there are people who live in cities who feel this way, and all of a sudden now they're using the weight of the federal government to go after states where it makes no sense.
This is one of the biggest problems we're facing right now.
And it's why even Sarah Silverman, in my opinion, is saying peaceful divorce.
Because if we're at a point where you've got Democrats being like, we would like to pass laws for New York, but for the country, that makes no sense.
I'll tell you what the problem is.
When you see politicians running for federal office, they want to be in Congress, like AOC or anybody else.
They are running for federal office and they go, I'm going to clean up this town.
If you vote for me, we're going to reduce crime rates and improve schooling and get funding for our university.
But hold on.
You're not a local politician.
You're running for federal office.
You're not representing the district's interests in terms of how they spend their own tax funds.
You're talking about going to Congress and voting on war and budgets, which will affect your district.
But when they're like, I'm going to clean up this town.
No, you're not.
You're going to DC.
You're going to be voting on cleaning up Afghanistan or coming back and cleaning up Syria.
You want to change those issues, you vote for local politicians.
What happens now is people are running for office on local issues nationally, And then they're saying, we've got a gun problem in Chicago, so we should ban guns.
For people in West Virginia!
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
That makes sense.
chris karr
Do you think that these politicians and lawmakers started off as people that had local pride, and then they just got corrupted as they got involved in the process?
Or do you think that they were just chills from the beginning to some extent?
daniel turner
I think Kirsten Gillibrand is a great example of that.
She was a congresswoman from upstate New York, moderate Democrat.
Hillary Clinton moved on, her seat was vacant, and she got the job, and now Kirsten Gillibrand is as left-wing as Chuck Schumer.
tim pool
Remember when she was in the bar?
daniel turner
She had an approval rating from the NRA.
She had a positive approval rating.
I bet you if you ask her now, she would probably be 100% anti-guns in all form.
And that's what separates her from, I think, someone like Senator Bernie Sanders, because Vermont doesn't have a huge city.
Bernie is only rural.
So Bernie actually on guns is either pretty quiet or actually probably not that bad.
But if you're a senator from a state like New York, Kirsten Gillibrand and Chuck Schumer know they just need to win New York City.
They don't care about Albany, Utica, you know, Schenectady.
No one cares about those places.
Same with California.
Same with Illinois.
But if you're from a kind of a state that has like Absolutely.
city but like it's a rural state, Vermont, the two guys from Connecticut, the two guys
from New Hampshire, Maine.
tim pool
You are spelling out why we need the electoral college.
Absolutely.
When you look at states like New York, Illinois, they say, in Illinois, I don't need to win
anything but Chicago.
daniel turner
Yeah.
And that's all becoming all of America and that's the ethos of my organization, Power
the Future.com is the divide in America growing divide, I think, in my personal philosophy,
I should write a book on this, is between urban and rural and we were always a rural
country that had big cities but it used to be, when I was born, it
It was 55 45 and in my lifetime I That has flip-flopped and now the majority of us live in
cities.
tim pool
That's changing.
daniel turner
City people are, well thank God, but city people are making policies for the country.
Look at the Green New Deal.
Look at the high-speed rail and no combustion engine.
That is written by someone who thinks like a girl, AOC, who has only known the city.
She is not thinking of someone who is from rural West Virginia.
So she says, well, we'll just get rid of the combustion engine.
And you say, well, in Alaska, a lot of people, like a lot of people have a little tiny airplane because that's how they get to the grocery store.
Like it is not uncommon to jump in your little tiny plane and they buy planes for what you buy SUVs.
$40,000, you can buy a used plane.
I think I read somewhere that if we shut down all fossil fuel production within this year, you'd get like 60 million dead within a few months.
they land they go to the grocery. Ban the combustion engine?
tim pool
I think I read somewhere that if we shut down oil, all fossil fuel production within this
year you'd get like 60 million dead within a few months.
daniel turner
Oh absolutely.
tim pool
Probably more than it actually.
I think it's like within a few days 60 million would die.
Mostly because they'd be unable to power refrigerators.
All the diabetics would instantly die because their insulin would spoil.
And then you can't transport food.
You can't drive anymore.
So all of the energy transportation that grows food, transports food, and makes the water work.
We're they say that we're addicted to fossil fuels.
It's not that we're addicted.
It's that our infrastructure is built upon it.
It's not an addiction.
daniel turner
It's a it's an energy requirement for standing this level of yeah, and they have no they have no idea how farming works how ranching works a manufacturer so they will say something like the PETA folks or the whatever folks like this is cruel what you do to animals and could we and should we treat animals humanely as we absolutely we should and we should always strive to be better but the thing is that you live in the Upper East Side of Manhattan and you think food is going to Whole Foods and buying stuff in a package and you have no idea what it took to get that thing look at this this this is water in a plastic bottle that was this is not possible but for fossil fuels
tim pool
I was talking to someone during the lockdown, and I mentioned something like, if we shut down the economy, how eventually we're going to run out of food at the stores.
And I had someone who was pro, like a UBI guy, say, what are you talking about?
We can just go to the store to get food when we need it.
And then I said, if we do UBI, and people don't work and don't make stuff, and people aren't farming, then where will the food come from?
unidentified
And they're like, the store, what do you mean?
tim pool
I hope you cut that person out.
It was Twitter.
And I'm like, there are people who are literally sitting there thinking that, like, one day, like, a little loaf of bread just appears on the shelf and slowly starts growing.
lydia smith
It grows, yeah.
tim pool
And then you take it, and another one respawns.
ian crossland
They had to be trolling you, Tim.
No, no, no.
Please be troll.
tim pool
Think about how stupid the average person is.
Yeah, I realized half of them are stupid.
ian crossland
I was in first grade.
We took the Iowa basics and I got not been the 99th percentile.
So I was like, okay, I guess we all got in the 99th percentile because that's the easiest thing that just there's that's much question stuff.
They already told me, but that's just not how society works.
tim pool
People failed.
It's like, but they told you this.
I can't remember.
ian crossland
It was the most obvious.
I was like, here's all the answers.
Now write them down and how people couldn't get it.
daniel turner
I just don't.
And when people are looking at why food prices are going up, and COVID has a lot to do with that, oil prices has a lot to do with that, inflation, but as you were saying with this guy who doesn't know where food comes from, we paid so much.
And working in a slaughtering house is not glorious work, right?
It's probably really brutal.
I'm sure it pays okay, but you know, it's not that, you're not going to make a huge living.
It employs a lot of ex-convicts, right?
It employs a lot of people with records because you're slaughtering cows.
And I know this having talked to people who do this, who own these companies for a living, and they were making more to stay home the last year and a half with COVID.
And so now you are bringing in beef that is not getting processed that we're throwing in the garbage.
I have a friend who has five barns and each one of them has 75,000 little baby chicks that they raise to a certain size.
And then the Tysons or companies like that come and take them off and they process the chickens.
And that's why there's always chickens in the grocery store.
But because of COVID, that was all shut down and the chickens got too big.
And all of the machines that process chickens, the chicken has to be this big or this big.
And now the chicken grew an extra two months.
And well, you know what they said?
And his mom was genuinely in tears.
They said, go into your barns and turn off the AC and close the door.
Wow.
And that was what they had to do.
And that was the FDA that said that.
tim pool
And then what?
Throw them away?
daniel turner
And then you throw them away.
And that was the FDA that was like, and that's what you do.
Hundreds of thousands of chickens that are perfectly healthy.
Why?
Because the government said they're not essential workers.
So now people are like, why is food so expensive?
Government.
tim pool
I want to talk about cascade... I want to talk about economic cascade failure.
So you may have seen these stories over the past few months of people putting up signs saying, we all quit, right?
You were just mentioning that for the past year or so, people were getting paid more not to work, so why would they work?
I think that plays a role in people not working.
So what happens is, we had a story recently, another one, where it's like, sign appears on a restaurant, we've been working for a month straight with no days off, there's not enough people here, so we all quit, sorry for the inconvenience.
When you have a restaurant with 10 people, and that allows you to have rotating shifts of part-time workers, people get their days off.
When three of them end up quitting for whatever reason, leaving for whatever reason, and now you have substantially less staff, people have to pick up shifts.
Then you say, look, we have no one else.
We need you to come in.
And then they say, I can't work this many hours.
I quit.
It's a cascade failure where the more people who quit, the more people will quit, meaning more people will quit.
So even though we've ended the COVID unemployment benefits, you ever have like a drain, like a thing of water and you're like draining the tub and you swirl it with your finger for fun to make that spiral?
That's what we did.
That's what the Democratic establishment, the governors, and many Republicans did.
They decided that as the economy was being shuttered, they would swirl the water as fast as they could to try and kickstart that little whirlpool to kick off.
As soon as they got a certain amount of people to quit, it's ignition.
It becomes self-sustaining.
A better way to put it is, they had the stick in the wood, and they were doing that little thing to get the stick to friction, and they were like, we just need ignition.
Once we get to the point where we generate enough friction for the business, people will quit.
Once people keep quitting, it becomes a self-sustaining collapse, a cascade failure of economics.
And now we're gonna see prices go up.
I saw more people today post photos of empty store shelves.
That's crazy to me that it's been going on for so long, but you know what?
Makes sense when they talk about a great reset, about people consuming too much, and I'm like, well, here it is.
People are going to wake up one day to $10 milk, and that's when things get crazy.
daniel turner
And it's happening at a bad time because winter always exacerbates economic problems, right?
You have transportation problems because of snow, because of ice, because of cold.
Things are just harder to maintain in winter.
So prices are going to skyrocket.
Not to mention oil prices, gas prices, electricity prices, heating prices.
So it's going to be bad.
Actually on the drive here they were already talking on the news about they have noticed an increase in hoarding tendencies again at big box stores.
Toilet paper, paper towels.
There's nothing causing it.
There's no something on the horizon.
But people just feel it.
This is the fascinating thing of sociology.
tim pool
The people who are paying attention.
daniel turner
The people who are paying attention are feeling it and people are People are doing it.
So yeah, we're headed to some very, very, very dark times.
tim pool
You want to know how dark it is?
Let me just pull up this story right here.
Two men arrested in New Zealand for smuggling KFC into COVID lockdown Auckland.
Okay, so not necessarily the same thing as economic failure, but come on.
This is the psychotic nightmare dystopia story you never thought you'd see.
Smuggling KFC.
Why is KFC banned?
Why can't you have KFC?
What does that have to do with COVID?
daniel turner
Maybe like they were in an area that you're not allowed to- are they in a quarantined area?
Because their quarantines were geographic, like you are not allowed to- Take out his band.
Take out his band.
tim pool
Why?
ian crossland
Because it might have COVID on it.
tim pool
So look, I highlight this just to show, when they set policies in motion that create a cascade failure or collapse, This is just another example of the absurdity of the rules that make no sense that will just cause people to lose their minds.
ian crossland
COVID doesn't live out in the environment for very long.
tim pool
That's pretty well documented.
That's besides the point.
The point I'm saying is people in government don't know, don't care.
They're just like burn it down.
Just whatever it takes to make people go crazy and burn it down.
Yeah.
Middle-class people seeing the price... we went to the store the other day.
We were like, we want to get some charcuterie, some meats and cheeses.
We had the shopping cart maybe about 20% full and it was $400.
I get it, you know, cheese and meat can be costly, but a year ago,
we filled up a whole cart including our standard selection of meats and cheeses.
We're not buying, like, fancy, you know, French imported meats, like a regular salami and stuff.
We would fill up the whole cart for 400 bucks.
I remember a year ago, we filled up the cart, and we had, like, beans and rice and meat and cheese and milk, and I was like, wow, 400 for this?
That's crazy!
Now it's like the cart's barely full, and I'm like, what is happening?
lydia smith
I have been, I have been photo documenting my grocery trips because every single time I go, I spend about the same amount.
And every time it gets smaller.
This last time I filled the seat that the kid sits in with the food that I was buying for myself for a week.
And it was like $80.
And I was like, this is not what I used to be able to buy.
This is insane.
And the stores, the shelves are empty.
This is something I noticed too.
There's no dairy.
There's very little beef.
tim pool
We couldn't get cream.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
This bothered me.
lydia smith
End of the world.
tim pool
Cream for my coffee.
And we went and I like heavy cream.
I don't like the half and half.
It's got a little sugar in it.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I want like fresh cream.
And we went to the store over a month.
Nothing.
And so I asked, I was like, how do you have none?
And they were like, it just doesn't come in.
And I'm like, yeah, but you got cheese and ice cream.
And they were like, I guess, you know, they're prioritizing, they're not prioritizing the heavy cream because it's like a special use case.
How many, how much, like, come on, if you go to the store and you want something with cream, you're going to get milk, you're going to get cheese, you're going to get yogurt, you're going to get ice cream.
Heavy whipping cream is probably one of the last things people get.
And not everybody puts cream in their coffee like that.
But when you're doing keto, you know, things like that, you're like, you want to use fresh heavy cream, less sugars, less, you know, milk particles and stuff.
They didn't have it.
So we had to go to a different store and we found a crummier version that spoiled much faster.
But that's something that really freaked me out because aside from the cream, were these little stars they put up everywhere that said $500 sign-on bonus all over the store.
I put it on my Instagram.
You can watch the video.
I'm like, Yo, something's wrong.
There's a bunch of some stuff.
Like, boy, do they got a lot of canned whipped cream.
But that's like corn syrup or something.
daniel turner
That's not, yeah.
That's oil.
tim pool
Some of it, yeah, a lot of it.
Some of it's good though.
Some of it's, well, some of it's okay.
lydia smith
Depends on what you put in.
tim pool
But I'm like, I just want fresh cream.
Like, I want to eat healthy and have...
I guess if you were to ask someone what they were going to buy first, they'd be like, I'll take the ready whip, you know, whipped cream bottle over the fresh cream.
You know what I mean?
So they're not prioritizing it.
Or the store wasn't getting it.
I went to a couple of stores, didn't have it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We finally found a store that did.
We got a bunch.
It didn't last as long for whatever reason.
I don't know.
I'm like, we like the good organic stuff.
daniel turner
I mean, we've been doing this as a country for, you could argue, almost 400 years or not as a country, but as people on this land, our economy got to a stage of so well-oiled, so supply-line genius, so it is really Adam Smith in operations.
You know, there's always that expression, or a running joke in the economic world of how many Chinese restaurants can you have on one block in New York City?
And the answer is, As many as the market allows, right?
Like there is no rule, like we got to the point that yeah, you could get your heavy cream, your fresh whipping cream without even thinking about it because all these literally millions of invisible hands were all working together making things happen and all we needed was just this one big government that thought they knew better for your own good.
And we're never, it's gonna take a Another five years to recover from this.
tim pool
I feel like we're in the Rat Utopia experiment.
You're familiar?
You guys are familiar with it?
unidentified
Oh yeah.
daniel turner
No.
tim pool
So we had Shane who writes our mysteries and tales of intrigue for TimCast.com.
The new shows, we're getting ready to launch soon.
the podcast version.
And one of the stories he wrote is about the rat utopia experiment and the, what is it,
the Kurt, Curtis Richter, was that his name?
chris karr
I think that's his name, yeah.
tim pool
The rat experiment, that's the hope experiment.
But the rat utopia was that he created a space, put the rats in it, gave them unlimited food
and water and said, do whatever you want.
And eventually they just went nuts, started killing each other.
There was one group called the Beautiful Ones that would just groom themselves and do nothing else.
They would all huddle in the same place.
Just behavior became very, very weird.
So what you're bringing up now, because I know we mentioned the experiment stuff quite a bit, but the point I'm trying to make is the idea that I'm put out over the fact I can't snap my fingers and get my cream, it's kind of insane, isn't it?
How about, back in the day, you had to actually go find a cream salesperson, or a farmer who had a dairy farm, and you'd be like spending a few days, or you'd know who the one person was who had it, and you'd be like, you know, oh hey honey, Jim says we should be ready to pick up our supply of cream, you know, in three days when it's ready.
And you just couldn't get it because it didn't exist.
Now we're so used to everything at our fingertips.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
having an overabundance of food and unlimited supply of ridiculous things like cream of all things
and sugar candies and unlimited water and we are living in that utopia and that is the problem that
daniel turner
unfolds a lot of the the hyperbolic social ills that the left likes to say are dividing this
country you know systemic racism and and militants misogyny and sexism and the response often is we
live in the not to say that there are not ills in society we live in the time of such privilege
henry the eighth could not have imagined a more opulent lifestyle i know i mean you just look
at how many pillow options you have yeah you know like just one promo code poso like the
The level of privilege we have, the American poor, and this is another thing if you do any international travel, especially to developing countries or like real poverty, impoverished countries, which I have, Our poor have better quality of life than the vast majority, than literally half the world's population.
Not to say that we shouldn't make our poor more prosperous or allow them to become more prosperous, but the level of prosperity and opulence and comfort we have is almost sickening.
tim pool
We went to the mall.
And, uh, I walked in and you get to the, like, there's a bunch of the, you know, doors and it's like, you get to the middle and there's the three stories.
So you've got two stories, but that is an even higher dome of glass.
And I was like, man, if you took someone from like the 1500s and brought them in, they would be like, for what God have you created this palace?
I'm like, no, I'm just buying sneakers.
I wanted to get an ice cream while I was here.
That's that, that is insane.
You look at these buildings.
daniel turner
Look at, I tweeted this the other day, look at, go to the grocery store and look at how many orange juice options you have based upon your tolerance of pulp.
And the people who are like, oh, I don't drink pulp.
It's like, you think we're going to abolish fossil fuels?
It's like, I only do grovestand, no pulp.
And no, we're never going to abolish fossil fuels because your lifestyle dictates that.
I like Fiji water.
Oh, crystal geyser.
I don't like this water.
tim pool
This is one of the things we talked about with Alex Jones the other day was, I think we talked about it on the show, the chicken analogy I like to use.
I don't know if it was on the bonus segment, so we'll tell you the story and then I like to hear your thoughts on this.
So, you know, Alex likes to talk about the globalists and depopulation and the one world and all this stuff.
And I said, you know, what if it's true that we're overpopulating and like yeast in a bottle, we're consuming the sugars and farting ourselves to death.
And so when we talk about any kind of these conspiracies, here's what I say.
Imagine you have 10 chickens and chickens like to take dumps in their water, you know, firsthand.
daniel turner
Every morning when I clean out the water, I'm like, why do you keep doing this?
I've hung it from string, I've put it on blocks, I've made it so to the point that all you can do is put your beak in
it and they find a way to climb on top and turn around.
Every morning!
tim pool
I'm impressed because sometimes I feel like it's on purpose and they're smarter than I think, but no, no, no, look.
They're smart enough to realize not to drink the crap water, but not smart enough to realize not to crap in it.
Now, imagine you had 10 chickens and they all keep crapping in the water.
So you go in one day and you do something to train them, stop doing it.
The next day, five of them stopped and five of them keep doing it.
Which chickens do you want to breed?
daniel turner
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Not the ones that keep crapping in their water.
So I bring that up because you talk about the activists, the environmentalists, the ban fossil fuels and climate change and all that stuff.
Those are the people in cities who are the chickens crapping in their own water.
While they're being told to stop doing it and they keep doing it.
At a certain point, someone's going to be like, I'm not going to choose to put resources into those communities that keep crapping in their water and destroying everything.
I would rather invest in communities that are more self-sustaining.
Guess what?
It ain't in the cities.
So it's like you were saying, these people are saying, I want to ban all fossil fuels, but I need 17 variety of orange juice based on my pulp consumption.
And with peanut butter, everything.
daniel turner
Bread.
And we see that growth of rural America.
I mean, things are starting to shift.
Suburbs are becoming, which is why there is a big push to end suburbia.
Heck, Gavin Newsom, the day after he won re-election, changed zoning laws in California to ban single-house dwelling zoning laws.
So neighborhoods that you could only build a single-family house, that's no longer gone because they have to get rid of that shift. They need people concentrated in the cities
because that concentrates their power.
But people who are able to, a lot of them are going to other states or just like I did, left,
I mean, 18 years in New York, 20 years in D.C. and now I live in the middle of the country because
unidentified
I wanted to get the hell away from those policies. You want to be an environmentalist?
tim pool
Make a homestead.
Grow as much of your own food as possible.
Tend to your own garden.
I mean, look, if you've got a septic system, in a lot of ways they're very self-sufficient.
You do have to get them pumped, but done right, that the bacteria can take care of things for you, plus you get well water, you can get some kind of, you can get renewable energy sources to offset your energy costs, and even remove yourself from the grid.
Yet you go to these cities, and they're the most wasteful.
They like the air conditioning costs for some of these cities is so absolutely insane because they're completely inefficient.
And I don't know if you guys have been in New York.
You ever see those big nitrogen tanks they have where they're blasting nitrogen underground and the vapor is coming up from the ground?
I think it's nitrogen.
What I was told and I fact check man this one because I did this was just scuttlebutt I heard from like a local guy in New York.
Is that the underground cable infrastructure is so old, it's overheating and melting.
So they just wheel in big tanks of nitrogen to blast.
And they blast it to cool the cable so they don't melt.
You've got infrastructure so old and decayed that we are wasting ridiculous amounts of energy to sustain this system and we keep building on top of it.
Those are the people that are voting nationally to implement rules on West Virginians who have like very little carbon footprint and tend to their own chickens and goats and grow their own corn or whatever.
daniel turner
They're the people who will, and I know friends who have done this and I do make fun of them so I apologize if anyone listening is that person, they are the people who will Postmates a bagel at 9am to their house.
And they will talk about sustainability and you said you know how many fossil fuels you just how much waste there is that you couldn't either walk yourself or just you didn't buy bread and make your own little toaster not only that but I really wanted they have really good bagels in this one place and they will spend eight I know people who have spent up to $18 for like a bagel with cream cheese Because that's just what they wanted for breakfast.
tim pool
So it's like you're gonna abolish fossil fuels It's like Wall-E, you know, the big fat people sitting in the chairs.
I know the story about postmating the bagels, man.
I've seen in New York people being like, I've ordered a tea.
I've seen people order a bubble tea.
And I'm like, you had someone come on that little electric moped that consumes energy.
So you can have a bubble tea.
daniel turner
Yeah, and those are the classes we're building now.
So there's the elite class, there's the coding class, learn to code, and we will have this
enormous working class.
Now maybe one day you'll be able to post mates through artificial intelligence.
We're not there yet.
Someone is still cutting open the bagel and putting the cream cheese on it and handing
it off to the guy.
Maybe we're, what, 20 years away from all that being automatic, but as of now, we still
need, actually, it seems like we need the Uber world.
We need a growing, unskilled labor, which is the, not pejorative sense, I mean it in the economic sense, unskilled labor workforce.
And why are we importing tens of thousands of them every month?
Because that keeps part of that economy going, and people like it.
tim pool
I'm thinking about human behavior, and you mentioning, like, maybe we'll get to the point of the AI making the bagel or whatever.
In Star Trek, you know, Captain Picard goes, T, Earl, computer, T, Earl Grey, hot, and then it just appears in front of him.
I wonder about what humans would do if we had access to that stuff.
I think people would gorge themselves to death.
I think it would, so I think there's a lot of people in this country that have the ability to eat whatever they want, whenever they want, because they have access to enough resources to do so.
And I don't even mean that much money.
Somebody makes, you know, mid five figures and they decide to use their access cash to just eat, eat, eat, eat, eat.
But there's a lot of people who don't have the money to spend to do that, and so they end up thinner simply by virtue of not having the ability to buy the food.
What if everybody had the ability to walk up to something and just be like, entire cheesecake, caramel on top, extra whipped cream, pumpkin spice.
and you could just keep doing it and they would gorge themselves.
I wonder if people would just, if they really did have that kind of level of technology,
if we reduced the cost to near zero or did a UBI and we had AI producing everything,
I think people would be like Wally.
They'd sit in chairs and they'd be like, I washed myself with a rag on a stick.
daniel turner
You know, that would be an awesome, kind of cruel, but an awesome experiment.
Like imagine if you had to take someone who was willing to, you know, they had to work from home.
You're going to live in this room for a month.
Here's your job, blah, blah, blah.
But when you ask for something, you're going to get it.
We can't do it instantaneously.
We need a little bit of time.
But it's lunchtime, what do you want to eat?
It's dinnertime, what do you want for dinner?
It's breakfast, what do you want for dinner?
It's movie time, what do you want to watch?
And you would wonder if after a day it would be like, I want to watch porn, I want to eat this, I want to eat this, I want to eat this.
And you'd love to know if after the month the person would come out dead, or if at a certain point they'd be like, I feel disgusting.
Like, we all do that, you know?
Like, bachelor party weekend and you're drinking in an open bar, even at a wedding.
But at a point, most of us are like, you know what?
Can I just have a water?
I'd be curious to see, if you could do it with multiple folks, how many would just become that gluttonous, disgusting slob?
chris karr
Five folks from the city and five folks from the country?
daniel turner
Yeah, I'd love to see... I like to think that a certain... I know... Sounds like a reality show we should fund.
It does!
Now, I know what my tastes are, and I don't know what I would ask for, but I like to think that by the third day, I'd be like, well, I'm not going to have dessert again.
tim pool
This is brilliant.
daniel turner
But would I?
tim pool
Utopia Island.
And we take five people from the city, five people from the country, and every morning they can request anything they want, At all.
I mean, obviously you can't get a jet.
The point is, in terms of your living, you have access to any food, any entertainment.
daniel turner
You just have to trick them, as all good sociologists, all good experiments do.
You have to trick them to think that the experiment is about something else.
They can't know it's about their food choices.
And part of this, you can ask for whatever you want to eat.
But the experiment of the ten of you on this, as you have to build...
it's a reality show on this reality show is something else and they don't know
that this is this is really the experiment I I would fund that I think
unidentified
that would result to that I would love to see what we would we would we would
tim pool
tell people like the goal of utopia island is to perform tasks and do acts
and then And as an aside, we'd say, you know, put in any order for
any kind of food you want.
If you have a craving for a blue cheeseburger, onion rings, anything like that you want to
steak, let us know and we will get whatever food, whatever entertainment.
One challenge because we want people working on the show to be comfortable.
daniel turner
I'd love to see if it confirms stereotypes.
Like, does the guy from Boston always like lobster and chowder?
Like, you know, does the guy from, like, is the Italian always, like, getting pasta?
I'd love to know if it, like, confirms.
tim pool
I think region more than ethnicity.
You know, like somebody who grew up in Boston.
daniel turner
So, so Pesobic is always getting a cheesesteak.
ian crossland
You have to measure for them.
If you eat a sandwich and I see you eating it, there might be something in my mind where you're like, I want that.
And if I smell onions on your breath, I'm like, man, I want onions.
So you'd have to isolate them when they eat and then make sure that you don't smell each other's foods.
tim pool
No, not at all.
Literally at any time you can ask us for food and we will get it for you.
ian crossland
But then they might not go with what they want, just whatever they see in the moment.
That's irrelevant.
Well, it might taint the study.
tim pool
Why would it taint the study?
ian crossland
Because you don't know what their real choi- Like, it changes what their choices are.
tim pool
There is no real choice.
It's literally like, when people are in a group, when people are on an island, that's not the point of the study.
The study is, we will give you access to any food at any time of the day.
You let us know.
We're here for you.
Just let us know what you want.
Literally, you name it.
You want tiramisu?
We'll get you tiramisu.
You want a whole cheesecake?
We'll get you a whole cheesecake.
Just literally tell us.
daniel turner
It would be curious to know if, like, your tendency is to be healthy.
Like, I'm not gonna smell your salad and suddenly crave salad.
But like, if you smell my chocolate cake, would you suddenly be like, that smells really good.
unidentified
You know what?
daniel turner
I'll have chocolate cake.
ian crossland
People go in the fridge and they're like, what's in here?
Ah, I'll eat that.
tim pool
But imagine if it was anything.
ian crossland
I'm thinking a frisee salad with cranberry, pine nuts, and spirulina.
tim pool
There you go.
I think you'd be surprised.
ian crossland
I think there'd be a lot of people... She's an exotic dancer.
It's a seaweed, and it's one of the healthiest foods on earth.
tim pool
Now here's... Spirulina.
It's like an algae, isn't it?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Here's the funny thing.
Could you imagine?
Somebody comes in, like a working class person, moderately, like average weight, and they're like, I can order anything?
You literally tell us what you want to eat while you're on the show.
We take care of you so that you can... Oh!
I'll take a T-bone, I'll take mashed potatoes and some asparagus.
He's like, you got it.
We come back.
I'll take a dessert.
You know, you want a dessert?
Oh, absolutely.
You want apple pie, ice cream?
Done, done.
Pumpkin spice, you know, cake, carrot cake or whatever.
And then by the end of the, by the end of the month, they're like 40 pounds overweight.
That's disgusting.
I think you'd find it.
daniel turner
I think you'd be curious to see if people would gorge themselves, if they were given unlimited options.
The question is, does the human individual have the ability to regulate itself, or is it, again, we're back to Locke and Hobbes, or is it the society that regulates you?
Is it you looking at me when we have 2 p.m.
check-in that you're like, whoa, Turner, you got a little chunky there.
Am I not eating because I see that you see that I got fat, or am I not doing it because of my own self-awareness?
tim pool
Here's another idea.
We also have a plant who does nothing but eat non-stop.
Not slovenly, not like, but just being like, whenever they see him, he's got fried chicken.
daniel turner
Like Brad Pitt in Oceans 11.
Did you ever notice in Oceans 11?
He's always eating something.
tim pool
So they walk in, and he's got a thing of mac and cheese, and he's like, hey, how's it going?
What's been going on?
And then the guy walks in, he's got a cheesecake, and he's eating, and then someone says, I'll take a cheesecake too.
And then this person secretly is just exercising full speed.
And, you know, so they're always looking really good, but they're always eating nonstop.
daniel turner
We could do it with animals.
We could try, you know, there are like, you know, there are certain dog breeds that they call free feed that people that just leave food.
And when the dog is hungry, it will go.
If I did that to my dogs, they would eat until they threw up.
They would eat the throw up.
They would eat.
And that's, and they like, you cannot have food around.
They're very well trained.
They wouldn't ever eat my food, but, but.
I'd be curious to see if humans have that, like, certain dog breeds.
chris karr
Some do and some don't.
tim pool
Can I legally do a chicken utopia experiment?
unidentified
Oh!
tim pool
So we're building the new Chicken City.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
It's gonna be fully enclosed because we have a fox.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
And then a hawk just recently attacked, and then Roberto went like, and then all the chickens ran inside.
So we're like, okay, we'll do the chicken run.
We'll do the whole thing covered.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
You can walk in it, but you have to go through the door.
What if we just let them keep having babies?
Well, you know what I'm gonna do?
I wanna get a big, huge, maybe like 50-gallon food thing.
That we just fill up, and they just eat the food, and the food comes down, and they keep eating it.
I think it doesn't spoil as long as it stays dry, right?
daniel turner
Yeah, I've, my chickens, I have every now and then gone out, and there's still food in their bowls, cause they're just, they like to peck at the grass, and they like to peck at bugs.
I don't see them eating to the point that the food is gone.
My dogs, yes.
tim pool
But the point is, if we give chickens access to unlimited food and water, and they keep having babies, will it turn out like the rat utopia?
Will chickens, as a different kind of animal, have a different... ZW or something?
I don't know.
Will they have a different reaction to a limited space, but unlimited resources?
daniel turner
No.
Even your three chickens that are too small to be in the public but are a little too big, they want out because their space is getting small.
So yeah, if their space is limited, they'll start getting crazy when they get on top of each other.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the challenge because we got three of the babies are fully feathered now.
I think they're at seven weeks about.
But they're not big enough to be with the rest of the chickens because they'll get attacked.
daniel turner
That's the problem when they start breeding at different times.
That's why you have to control your roosters.
You know, we can't do that all these different ages and it's too much.
tim pool
We just we let the older ones out of the enclosed coop and then close the door.
So they're in the run.
And then with the little ones out in the enclosed section to run and do chicken stuff.
Yeah, it's a tight space in there for them.
Plus we have five black star babies now.
They're special.
Special breed.
Yeah, the girls, every inch of their bodies are black except one of them has one white feather.
ian crossland
That's a big part of the rat utopia experiment is the lack of space.
They're stuck in a space.
So they have infinite stuff.
That might not be a problem.
daniel turner
Like New York, right?
Your space is limited.
ian crossland
Like Earth.
We're stuck here right now.
daniel turner
Yeah, people keep trying to go higher, but you're still Yeah, you're still stuck.
ian crossland
Yeah, if we could somehow remove that from the study.
That'd be interesting study Might not be any social issues at that point.
daniel turner
I have tried to convince people as you know, I'm About two hours outside of DC and I've had a lot of friends come for the weekend and they talk about how it's Almost therapeutic, right?
I think I think one of the biggest problems with DC or New York or any city is that many people never get a chance to not live in that environment.
ian crossland
When I think of New York, I think of gray, like looking through gray air because it's so dirty from the I just imagine the grayness of that city.
And I think it's the brake dust.
daniel turner
And the lack of light, right?
When every building is 70, 80, 90 stories, you live in the shadows a lot.
It's very hard to get sunlight.
That's why people flock to Central Park.
There's not a lot of sunlight, especially in the Midtown area.
So, yeah, you're surrounded by huge, tall... Oh, New York.
tim pool
People don't understand this.
It's tough.
daniel turner
It's a tough place to live.
ian crossland
It's worth seeing once.
tim pool
Imagine an apartment.
Where your only window, when you look out, is a brick wall.
Why?
Because it's within like five feet of the other building.
There's nothing to see outside your window but a brick wall and you're locked in there for like a year.
daniel turner
And you're paying $4,800 a month for it.
tim pool
People lose their minds.
It's like solitary confinement.
ian crossland
But they don't know they're losing their minds.
That's the crazy part.
A lot of times when you're losing your mind, you don't realize you're losing your mind.
It's just things to start to seem.
You get angry at stuff, you get less tolerant, you know, that's losing your mind.
That's an aspect of losing your mind.
unidentified
Yeah.
chris karr
Yeah, getting back to that theme that we always return to of people getting mean.
Just wait and see how mean they are when the prices keep going up and the scarcity really kicks into place.
That's when you're going to see a lot of mean spiritedness just escalate.
tim pool
Yeah, if Alex Jones is right, then I hope you guys are getting out of cities.
daniel turner
Yeah.
chris karr
Done.
daniel turner
Yeah, people are just nicer in the cities, and quite frankly, when I go grocery shopping, everyone's got a gun.
Nicer in the cities?
Outside of the cities.
tim pool
Yeah.
daniel turner
You know, when I go to the grocery store, you know a lot of people are concealed carry, and it's just nicer.
People are friendlier because they're a country folk.
And like I said, I'm a city kid.
I'm a multi-generation city kid.
I'm becoming a country boy.
I'm happier in the country than I ever could have been in the city.
It's just a different lifestyle.
tim pool
It's funny when you're with city people in the country and they'll point out to you someone's gun.
They'll be like, yeah, that guy's got a gun.
And I'll be like, okay, yeah.
They'll be like, yeah, he's got a gun.
And I'll be like, I know half the people here probably do.
You just can't see him.
You mean he's open carrying?
We can see.
You don't need to tell us.
But you know, I'm not going to pretend to be some country boy either.
I grew up in the city.
I've only been out here for a year.
ian crossland
I was in Northeast Ohio.
I grew up in the suburbs, Chicago Falls, and I kind of always loathed the country because it was like less technology.
You know, I like to play video games.
We'd go to my aunt and uncle's house in the country and it was like, it was just boring.
There was cows, you know, there were fields.
It smelled stinky and there was nothing to do for me because I was a city boy.
But then I went to the city.
I loved it.
Then the internet came out and now it's like fresh air.
Fresh air is number one.
daniel turner
Yeah.
ian crossland
Fresh air, man.
I smelled that dank stank for so long in New York City, it started to destroy my mind.
daniel turner
And silence, which I think we as a society have less tolerance for silence.
That's why, how many people couldn't get through the entire movie?
What was the movie where they weren't allowed to talk?
Because the aliens?
lydia smith
A Silent Place.
daniel turner
People I know couldn't get through it because it was just, it was too quiet.
Interesting.
How many people walk with... You know what's amazing?
When you see people driving with earbuds in.
And you don't even put on the radio.
People are constantly... And our younger people... I'm gonna sound like an old fogey, you young folks.
But our younger people are bombarded by sounds non-stop.
Internet, phone, music.
Silence is key to any thoughtful person.
And you don't find a lot of silence in the city.
tim pool
When we go outside at night, we hear really weird things.
lydia smith
There's weird bugs.
tim pool
Yeah.
daniel turner
Kind of fun.
tim pool
There's stink bugs, right?
ian crossland
Aren't they coming back?
tim pool
Oh, stink bugs are back.
lydia smith
Yeah, they are.
unidentified
They're back.
tim pool
You know what the funny thing is?
daniel turner
Stink bugs are back.
tim pool
I have the air conditioning on, like, super cold.
daniel turner
Invasive species from China.
tim pool
I have AC on full blast.
ian crossland
Oh, I know.
tim pool
And it's like 75 outside and 60 in the house, and they're still trying to come in, and then they get cold and fall to the ground.
Like, why are you coming into my freezing house?
I don't understand that.
I guess it's instinct.
They go inside to escape, you know, for the winter, but then it's colder inside.
The good news is chickens absolutely love stink bugs.
daniel turner
I was just gonna say that.
Try to catch them and they play like stink bug rugby.
You just take one, you give it a little shake so he's stunned.
Oh, sorry, this is mean.
Let's go Super Chats!
ian crossland
down and we got a bill it's one of those mail tubes where you like put the mail
in it sucks it but for stink bugs from this we can put them up in my room you
tim pool
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You don't want to miss the hour and a half we did with Alex Jones yesterday.
That was fun.
That was a big conversation.
We knew it was going to go long because I have no control over the conversation when Alex Jones is in the room.
But let's see what we got here.
I do want to shout out Toby Walker who said, Malort is actually amazing.
OMG.
Well, we have a lot of Malort.
And just wanted you to know.
Maybe we'll open it on the vlog and talk about it.
ian crossland
What is it exactly?
tim pool
It is a wormwood liqueur.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
ian crossland
Gross.
tim pool
Yeah, and apparently it tastes really, really bad.
unidentified
Alright.
tim pool
And my response was like, I think all alcohol tastes bad, so I'm not sure this would be a special... It's rotten.
ian crossland
I took a sauna a few weeks ago.
Yeah, it's like rotten food is what alcohol is.
And then I got out of the sauna and I felt so clean and I sipped on beer and it tasted rotten.
It was the first time I ever sipped on alcohol and it actually tasted like rotten food.
I was like...
tim pool
Yeah, I don't like alcohol at all.
I think it all tastes really bad.
daniel turner
What do you think the sauna did to your taste buds?
ian crossland
It cleaned out a bunch of something.
I don't know.
daniel turner
That's awesome.
ian crossland
I mean, I sipped a little bit more and I could no longer taste the rottenness.
It just tasted like beer again.
unidentified
Wow.
chris karr
That's crazy.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Dogbert says, Tim, I sent you an email about NFT-ing your show with Astro Zero NFT.
We would love to work with you.
We're actually planning on doing, uh, we have portraits of all of our guests and creating digital NFTs of all of the portraits from all of our guests.
They're all autographed as well.
And Ian's working on that stuff.
ian crossland
It's very, very exciting.
Very exciting.
tim pool
We've got like, I didn't see, we have an Alex Jones one though, I'm pretty sure.
ian crossland
We have an Alex Jones one, we have Polaroids that we take, and it's really an opportunity to create lots of crazy little bits of art and then just sell them, you know?
tim pool
But basically, I was explaining to somebody how revolutionary an NFT is.
So when it came to cryptocurrency, cryptocurrencies for the most part are fungible.
Back in the day of the internet, you wrote a song.
That song could be copied infinity.
You could keep copying it and sharing it around.
Then cryptocurrency came along and all of a sudden there were hard digital assets that could not be copied, but many of them.
With NFTs, you have one existing object.
So you could make like one of 30.
So when we take a digital version of these portraits that are autographed, there is only one digital version in existence.
There's a physical version and a digital version.
And so we're creating the digital version that only one person can own at a time.
ian crossland
But someone can still copy the picture.
So you can still save the picture and have a copy of yourselves, but only one person will own the original digital copy.
tim pool
Exactly.
So a copy of a famous painting, sure, people might want to buy it to hang up, but it's not the original.
ian crossland
Right, exactly.
tim pool
The original is the one worth 50 million bucks.
So having that original NFT... Sanctioned by the author.
That's right.
All right, let's read.
Michael Fernando Melo says, San Jose got worse.
People pee, crap, and leave used adult prophylaxis in front of my home.
lydia smith
Yuck.
tim pool
Lots of homeless.
A man was murdered a block from my home.
I've joined the Bay Area Mises Caucus to become a delegate.
Need to leave Cali.
lydia smith
Cool.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That sounds terrible.
lydia smith
Get out.
tim pool
Yeeks.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Shooting on a shot but a pressure.
Batacaf care says.
unidentified
Yay.
tim pool
This is for Sour Patch Lids passing up Sour Patch Kids.
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
Thank you.
tim pool
All right.
OregonLife says, Tim, you called me a coward last week.
You live in the middle of nowhere, hiding behind a camera, censored by big tech.
Take off the beanie, coward.
I mean, if I was really a coward, why wouldn't I just do, like, political consulting for big networks where I can tell them, like, here's how you build a big network.
Go ahead and lie to people.
Why should I challenge the establishment and put a risk on my neck?
I'll tell you what, if I wanted to work as hard as I do, why wouldn't I just make, I don't know, like a Minecraft channel?
Why bother getting involved in the culture war and Defending liberty and freedom and critical thought, there are a lot of people who would prefer to chop the tree down today so that they may have a comfortable chair to sit in tomorrow.
And there are a lot of people that would plant a tree whose shade they know they will never sit beneath so that their children will have a beautiful tree with fruit and shade.
ian crossland
And just sit on the ground.
Let's just sit on the ground instead.
Yeah, I'm down to grow some trees.
tim pool
Chairs don't last forever.
What I mean is, you know, people would say, I am going to sacrifice my principles today so that I can live comfortably today as well.
And that's not a good idea.
If I really wanted to make tons of money, I could have just stayed working for Disney.
I could have said, you got it, guys.
Put me on whatever TV show you want.
I will play ball.
No problems from me.
Instead, I said, hey, you guys are hypocrites and liars, and I'm not going to lie on camera.
And they went, OK, well, then you can't do anything, I guess.
And I was like, OK.
And I was like, can I quit?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
And I was like, well, OK.
Then my contract ended, and I was like, I'm quitting.
They're like, OK.
And there you go.
So, I don't know.
You know, you do what you gotta do.
Billy Long says, joins stream late.
Ian, quote, we could actually have a prostitute on the show.
ian crossland
Oh, you got there right in time.
unidentified
There we go.
tim pool
Leguma Fagion says, Israel has been developing a laser replacement for Iron Dome called the Iron Beam.
It should be up by the new year.
The lack of funding for Iron Dome may accelerate the development of the system, and we may see it in action sooner.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
A laser replacement would be substantially faster and more efficient.
lydia smith
Hardcore.
tim pool
You would probably not even see it.
It would be infrared.
All that would happen is the rockets from Gaza would go pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop.
Because things would go ch-ch-ch-ch-ch.
That'd be cool.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, laser weapons, unlike in the movies, travel at the speed of light.
In the movies, they're slower than bullets, which is the weirdest thing.
And I never understood.
Ah, yes.
unidentified
Agreed.
Yes.
tim pool
Thank you.
unidentified
Apologies.
tim pool
Tabor says birthing persons of the night. Ah, yes agreed.
Thank you. Apologies apologies Latham crafts is a real discussion on legal sex work
work would be interesting.
It would be interesting.
You should talk to Alice Little, who is the most successful legal sex worker in Nevada.
Yes, I think it would be important to talk about.
Jeremiah Jensen says, Hey Tim and crew, I finally joined the members page on Timcast.
Tim and crew take off the YouTube filter and show their real true opinions.
It's a great show.
Everyone should join.
I'll put it this way.
We on this show, we are careful about the arbitrary editorial guidelines of YouTube.
But...
At least I'll say this.
We try to make sure anything we talk about on this show is true and honest opinions.
But if we're going to talk about certain issues, we want to be open, and we're worried about getting shut down or censorship, we put it on TimCast.com.
So there is a conundrum to YouTube being censorious and violating the rights of people to express themselves.
I suppose the challenge is YouTube is the culture war battleground.
It is.
We can say on principle, I quit, and then completely lose all resources and access and influence in the culture war.
Or we can say, I'm going to reallocate a large portion of the workday towards a private place, a speakeasy as it were, and then show people on YouTube, here's how you find the speakeasy, and here are the ideas where you can go.
And more importantly, When people are like, Jim, you know, you're on YouTube and you should quit.
And it's like, yeah, and I had Alex Jones on three times.
I've had Steve Bannon on twice.
You know, they, they can't do their own YouTube channel.
So at the very least we're able to provide some kind of safety boat where ideas can still happen, even if people disagree with them.
It's not perfect.
You know, I wouldn't, I would like to get off YouTube and we're working towards building up TimTaps, TimGast.com for that reason.
But I still think there's value in having a platform where we can have guests like Alex Jones and Steve Bannon, who actually aren't a lot on the platform.
They're not allowed to have their own platform, but we can host them.
All right.
Brandon Taylor says, have you guys thought to start a record label to add another branch to the culture that you are building?
Or a separate channel promoting bands?
Yes.
Just not now.
You know, so we have to get to that point.
ian crossland
Yeah, it seems like the age of labels is kind of coming to a close.
Record labels, you know, trying to snag someone and profit off of them is kind of insidious.
tim pool
I disagree.
I think there's a lot of people who are good at making music and not good at business.
ian crossland
Oh, that's for sure, yeah.
tim pool
So they need help.
They need someone who can be like... As long as it's fair.
ian crossland
You know, they got rocked, I was gonna say.
Yeah, they got messed up by the record industry a lot.
Billy Joel lost like a decade of income from his record contract.
tim pool
John Christian says, Elijah Schaefer and Sidney Watson, new show already taken down and suspended from YouTube just nine days in.
But a strike or what?
lydia smith
Two strikes.
tim pool
Two strikes already?
lydia smith
Nine days.
tim pool
What happened?
lydia smith
They were talking about child mask mandates and they showed studies or something.
That's what I saw from Sidney.
chris karr
That's all it took.
unidentified
Yep.
lydia smith
Doesn't take a lot.
ian crossland
Start up your website, you guys.
Get your after show going.
tim pool
That's right.
lydia smith
It's the way forward.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Nanya Business says, Tim Pool, quote, big tech and media won't attack the left because they'll literally show up and burn their houses down.
Also, Tim Pool, the right must not use violence because it doesn't help.
What you missed in that quote, Nanya Business, is Tim Pool, quote, also, The left controls the cultural institutions, and when Antifa gets violent, they're defended by big tech and by media.
The right doesn't have that opportunity and is fighting an uphill battle.
We're in an era where, after the Black Lives Matter riots happened, they went from 25% net support to 3%, losing 7% from the year prior, which were their gains.
They have generated a massive opposition because of their riots, so the last thing you need to do is create propaganda for your enemy, especially when you know That the right could go outside and wave a little flag and they'll scream, Nazis marched!
And Antifa can burn down a cafe killing a guy and they'll say, peaceful protest.
So when you gain control of cultural institutions, come back and make arguments.
Until then.
Alright, let's see.
Josh Fitzgerald says, Tim, you definitely have to do a show for us up here in Canada.
We somehow just elected the king of blackface again.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
That was really impressive to me.
I'm impressed.
lydia smith
I was surprised.
tim pool
Canadians are big fans of that stuff.
unidentified
I guess so.
tim pool
Because the Canadian people like blackface, you know?
Because, you know, the reason I say that, and I genuinely mean this, The first time he did it, people complained about it.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
I mean, I understand why they're upset.
But what about like the third instant now?
Three?
Is it three?
daniel turner
So many photos.
Yeah.
tim pool
And so it's like the second time you can have people, people chalk it up to like, okay, we get it.
It's bad.
But the third time and they vote for them, I'm like, they like it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Come on.
Actions speak louder than words.
They like it.
They're racists.
daniel turner
If you did a show in Canada, what would it be about?
Sorry, I just had to.
unidentified
For our Canadian friends, I had to say it.
ian crossland
You mean poutine?
tim pool
I went to a poutine place in, I think it was in Montreal, and it's just a french fry place.
Like, they had bacon cheddar french fries, and I'm like, yeah, we have that at hot dog stands.
You know, and you can, the funny thing is, I'll tell you this.
Poutine in Canada is legit.
daniel turner
Yeah.
tim pool
And I've gone to places in the U.S.
that claim to have poutine and it is not legit.
daniel turner
They do have french fries with like mozzarella balls on top.
tim pool
Exactly.
daniel turner
That's not poutine.
tim pool
It's not it.
daniel turner
Montreal is one of the best food scenes in the world, let alone in the continent.
ian crossland
The opportunity to work at this place called Dusty's in L.A.
and it was a French-Canadian restaurant.
Poutine, they're from Montreal.
Man, that was great.
Great poutine.
tim pool
But I went to a poutine place and they had like, you know, barbecue pulled pork french fries.
And I'm like, a lot of that is just putting stuff on french fries.
We do that here, but it was really good.
Cheddar bacon, chicken bacon ranch, all that stuff.
Yeah, of course.
But I think the classic is where it is.
I'm not a big poutine connoisseur.
I'm sure all the Canadian people watching are like, dude, this is how you do it.
Maybe we should make some poutine.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's probably pretty easy to make.
tim pool
Cheese curds.
daniel turner
Does your diet allow?
Can you eat fried french fries?
tim pool
I didn't say I didn't.
daniel turner
I said we should make them.
tim pool
Ian made a pawpaw bread.
I taste a little bit.
I'm not going to eat it.
ian crossland
When I would eat the poutine, I'd just kind of eat the cheese and the gravy.
That's a good idea.
I'd give you a lot of that.
lydia smith
That sounds really good.
I am hungry.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
tim pool
Billy Long says Daniel absolutely killed it all tonight.
Love the show.
Keep it up, guys.
Ian shouts from Cleveland.
Go Browns!
daniel turner
Thanks, Billy Long.
I was actually just in Cleveland last week.
ian crossland
What'd you do over there?
daniel turner
Met a potential donor.
Oh, nice.
For my organization, yeah, because we're a non-profit.
We have to raise money.
I went to this steakhouse called Red, and it was fantastic.
lydia smith
Awesome.
ian crossland
Can people donate to your organization?
daniel turner
And Cleveland, yes they can, at powerofthefuture.com.
And Cleveland has, as my first time there, has stunning, beautiful, turn-of-the-century architecture.
ian crossland
It's incredible!
Growing up in the 80s, it wasn't that cool.
It was kind of run down, and then there's transformation in the 90s.
Man, I think it was the Cleveland Indians brought lots of money into that city in the 90s.
daniel turner
Some beautiful buildings.
Like, really beautiful buildings.
ian crossland
It was a great place.
daniel turner
It was great to walk around.
And I travel a ton for work.
Sorry, I know you want to get back to really quickly.
I travel a ton for work and all over the country all the time.
They are handling the homeless slash vagrancy problem better than almost any other city I've seen.
I was surprised how clean the streets of Cleveland were.
Whereas cities of comparable size, oh, holy cow.
But Cleveland, I was really impressed.
I thought it was great.
lydia smith
What is their leadership in Cleveland?
Are they really Democrat, too?
daniel turner
I have no idea.
lydia smith
I'd be curious.
We gotta find out now.
daniel turner
Yeah, no idea.
chris karr
Yeah, me too.
tim pool
All right, Sylvaren Sol says, Hey Tim, I got a friend who does frame and fact-checking on a daily basis.
I understand you're trying to start a non-profit for exactly that.
How would one apply?
And how would you say one would demonstrate expertise in order to get an interview?
Samples?
You would apply by going to jobs at timcast.com.
It's in an email.
And let me explain the plan.
We've already filed paperwork for our non-profit.
It will do fact-checking, it'll do a general analysis of news outlets, like, we're gonna take a hundred articles, we're gonna look for ethics violations using the SPJ's ethics, and then if it's an opinion piece but it's not labeled opinion, they get an X. If they're falsely framed or factually incorrect, they get an X. If they tried to harm people, like, here's the address of a man who posted a meme, then they'll get an X.
And then you'll see like out of the hundred articles we read, 37 were deemed to be ethical journalism.
And then we'll list a spreadsheet of all the articles, each with an explanation that you can read and assess yourself.
Now let me explain frame checking in the easiest way possible.
You just wait.
You might believe, well you guys probably don't because you're smart people, but there are a lot of people that believe that Border Patrol agents were whipping migrants.
Why?
Instead of publishing headlines that read, Border Patrol did not have whips and were not whipping migrants, all these outlets said, White House condemns Border Patrol whipping migrants.
Why?
Because the White House said, we condemn those horrible photos we saw.
Someone says, did you see the photos of migrants being whipped?
We saw them.
They're horrible.
We don't know the context.
Headline, White House condemns whipping migrants.
Framing it as though it actually happened.
Proper framing would be, No, comma.
Border Patrol agents did not have whips and did not whip migrants.
Within the story, you would say, the White House, when asked, not knowing the context, erroneously concluded that it happened and that the photos were shocking.
In reality, they were not equipped with whips.
They were spinning the reins.
That's it.
They were holding the reins with a horse, and when they move, they spin it, I guess.
They say it's a technique to keep people from getting too close to the horse.
unidentified
Hmm.
chris karr
Hmm.
tim pool
That's it.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
So that's framing.
It's really clever things you can do to trick people into believing it.
ian crossland
So they were snapping them with leather reins.
tim pool
They weren't slapping anybody with anything.
chris karr
No.
ian crossland
They didn't hit anybody with it?
unidentified
No.
daniel turner
That's how you steal the horse.
ian crossland
You're saying they do it to keep people away as well?
tim pool
They're on the horse and they'll spin it so that people don't come up to them.
They're not running up to them and whacking them with it.
So it's defensive versus offensive.
But it's like, yeah, spinning the reign is a big cry from having a whip and slapping somebody in the last minute.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, defending a horse is different than attacking a migrant.
tim pool
But these media outlets know that they can legally get away with saying White House condemns Border Patrol agents whipping migrants because we didn't say they whipped migrants.
We said the White House condemned it.
We didn't say the White House claimed it was actually happening.
You know, it's like, I condemn Ian, you know, mercilessly beating children.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
But he didn't do it, too!
I didn't say he didn't do it!
ian crossland
Oh, you're right, you just condemned it.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, I condemn it.
unidentified
Wait.
tim pool
But I didn't say he did it.
ian crossland
You made a good point, Daniel, that bad optics, bad media leads to bad policy often, and that they could end up making some dumb rule like Border Patrol can't be riding on horses anymore.
daniel turner
They probably will!
ian crossland
That's the stupidity that can come out of these misinformations.
unidentified
All right.
ian crossland
Keep it up.
tim pool
Jay Tiger says, Tim, with all the union workers protesting again today, they have shut down construction for two weeks now in Melbourne.
We had a 6.0 magnitude earthquake.
Who's going to fix all the broken buildings?
daniel turner
Wow.
tim pool
Not the union workers.
chris karr
Wow.
daniel turner
Melbourne just had a 6.2 magnitude earthquake?
chris karr
In the past hour or two.
daniel turner
Oh gosh, like literally as we're talking.
tim pool
6.0 is like not that bad.
daniel turner
That's not that bad.
You'll feel it.
ian crossland
Is it like magnitudes?
They're magnitudes.
Yeah, times 10.
Every number is times 10.
tim pool
Exponential increase the higher you go.
ian crossland
Once you get to 7, it's Nasty, nasty, like bringing buildings down.
tim pool
I don't know the full numbers, but I read somewhere that, like, the difference between a 9.0 and a 9.1 is the difference between, like, a 6.0 and, like, an 8.9.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
You know, like, it's a massive difference between... Non-linear.
Yeah, yeah, exponential gains.
Scalar.
No Legs No Problem TV says just bought a new sidearm here in Kentucky.
Tragically lost in a boating accident.
unidentified
Oh no!
tim pool
As a concealed carrier in Kentucky, that's all you need to walk out with your new sidearm.
lydia smith
Sorry about your girl.
daniel turner
That's tragic.
tim pool
Tragic boating accident!
lydia smith
Happens to the best of us.
tim pool
Okay, let's see what we got.
John Kirsten says, we need Daniel and Post to take a trip back to Alaska with a film crew to make a documentary.
Make it happen, Tim.
lydia smith
Yeah, that'd be awesome.
tim pool
You guys want to go to Alaska and film?
daniel turner
Actually, we have talked about doing it, especially to tell the story of those people in the Pebble Mine Village, and I think he's interested in doing it.
tim pool
Oh, I think Jack's coming tomorrow?
lydia smith
Yeah, he's here tomorrow.
tim pool
We'll talk after the show.
That'd be a great idea.
daniel turner
I think it'd be awesome.
Once they have Starlink up and running, we'll bring the whole crew!
We'll all go to Alaska, but you know...
lydia smith
We'll get there.
unidentified
I hope.
tim pool
Mr. Wiggles says, I know you like Star Trek, but I'm a Warhammer guy.
We are heading to a grim, dark future like Warhammer 40K, where there is no good, really, outside of you trying to survive.
But in the end, all sides are seen as bad.
Are you guys familiar with Warhammer?
ian crossland
I played a lot of Warhammer growing up.
Yeah, Warhammer 40,000, Space Marines, Grey Wolves.
It's like the humans have evolved.
I really don't know too much about the lore.
To be honest, there's this thing called tyranids.
They're like these ant, large ant creatures that have psychic powers.
tim pool
That's pretty cool.
Oh, interesting.
XRunner55 says, shortages are hitting Baltimore.
Heavy cream is be zip code?
I don't know what that means.
Read the book.
lydia smith
By zip code.
tim pool
Oh, is by zip code.
Read the book Sex and Culture and see how bad things are.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
All right.
lydia smith
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
Danimal Bungie says, I would 100% take a Kamala Harris presidency over a Biden presidency, because at least then we could have a chief executive who has something to lose.
lydia smith
Interesting.
That's a thought.
tim pool
Sneaky Breeze says, the Republic isn't over yet.
Article 5 was created in case the feds got hungry with power.
Please try to contact Mark Meckler to get on the show so he can promote the Convention of States Action.
Sounds very interesting.
I'm very interested in that.
lydia smith
I'll look this up.
tim pool
Lacey Ferguson says, Joy Reid claims the only reason everyone is talking about Gabby Petito's death is because of missing white girl syndrome.
I can still feel my brain cells dying.
You know, so one of the Castle crew members, Brett, he made a point earlier, he was like, didn't we just have people riding nearly burning down the country because a black man was killed by the police?
I'm like, that's actually a really good point.
I do think the Gabby Petito story is, like, not national news.
I'm sure it's news in the local area and news to the family.
But when I've heard the story, and they were like, she was an influencer, I tried finding her pages, and it was difficult because she has, like, her Instagram got big afterwards.
There's no YouTube presence.
There's very limited social media presence relative to most people I know who are trying to be influencers.
So I was like, this seems weird.
unidentified
Like what?
ian crossland
Terrible, terrible word.
Influencer is such a terrible word.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
But like, you know, social media entrepreneur, you know, I, I was like, why can't I find anything on this person while they're claiming, they're claiming this person was like a prominent influencer.
And I'm like, I, but I guess it's tick tock was tick tock.
I don't know if she was on TikTok, but people on TikTok were.
ian crossland
What a waste of mind space, that stupid story.
I'm so angry that that is up and about.
Like, it's two idiots beat each other up.
One of them got killed, the other one, and like, now we're not talking about the surrender in Afghanistan?
Like, this is something to twist everybody's focus onto.
tim pool
I when I saw it when I peep when the story started trending again like any big I just google-searched woman missing minus Gabby and there's just like an endless list of stories always local outlets were like 23 year old woman gone missing 25 year old woman missing with husband and I'm like This one for some reason caught fire.
daniel turner
I do wish joy read stopped getting any notoriety.
She barely has any viewers.
Most of her notoriety comes from people who talk about her and not actually her.
She's an awful, homophobic, racist, miserable, angry woman, and I just wish she would be
canceled.
And so I get frustrated when people say, do you know what Joey Reed said last night?
Because no one should be watching her.
tim pool
I used to like that.
Nicholas says went to see coheed and the used Saturday Burt McCracken of the used referred to the unvaxed as bioterrorists
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
The crowd cheered yelling things like let them die kick their ass and let's get them. The rhetoric is nuts
Genocide much Wow You see have you guys seen the the Kaiser Chiefs video?
unidentified
No, you have not seen it Mm-hm.
tim pool
It's the apocalypse, man.
So you have the guy from the Kaiser Chief, and he's got this big crowd of people in the thousands, and he goes, let me see your hands!
And then everyone raises their hands, he goes, wash your hands!
We all have clean hands!
What the heck?
Everyone's holding their hands up, and one guy's going like this, with his eyes closed, and like... That's third service nonsense.
And he goes, let's hear it!
How many of you have Pfizer?
Yeah!
unidentified
What?
How many of you have Madonna?
He goes, let's hear it for the anti-vaxxers!
Boo!
tim pool
The part when he was like, clean hands!
Y'all wash your hands!
I was like, wow, this guy's doing a service.
These people are testifying to Pfizer.
One of the creepiest things I've ever seen.
And the crazy thing about it is, when you look at their faces, when you see the faces of them like, on the verge of crying with their eyes closed like, Pfizer!
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
I can't get into these crowds, man.
All my whole life, I was a musician and an actor, but I can't stand going to shows and standing there and watching, and then at the end, everyone's like... It's like these monkeys, like, screaming and dancing.
Like, what the... What is this brain?
It's so weird how people can be like that.
tim pool
Why?
ian crossland
Why do you scream like that for, like, something?
I don't get it.
chris karr
Yeah, I never understood that either.
tim pool
You know what I would do?
You know what I can do?
Here's what we'll do.
I'll book a show, or like an introduction for one of these groups, and I'll come out and I'll go, let me get a bah!
From everybody in the audience!
unidentified
Yeah!
tim pool
Let me hear that bleat!
chris karr
Bah!
tim pool
And they all start doing it.
Bah!
unidentified
Yeah, that's right, you're sheep!
tim pool
Let me hear that bleat!
We should make that a thing, just get everybody to do it.
All right, let's see.
Dan Gander says, Tim, the AP is officially censoring negative news re-Venezuela.
Minutes of the 2019 meeting show a resolution to that end, intro'd by Gloria Lariva, presidential candidate for the Maoist and VZ-funded PSL, easily verifiable.
It's hard to read when you use acronyms for everything, but you're trying to cram too much into a super chat, so hopefully I did my best.
All right, Robert Knight says, I've been trying to relay information to you regarding Evergrande.
To the info email, Blackrock owns a good-sized stake in Evergrande.
Really?
That sounds like really bad news.
ian crossland
I heard they were going to default.
Did you guys hear that?
Evergrande?
tim pool
Yeah, they've been default.
Buildings have been blown up.
unidentified
I don't know.
daniel turner
Blackrock owns a good-sized stake in everything.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm in agreement.
tim pool
Interesting.
daniel turner
Because I have a Blackrock in my hand.
tim pool
All right.
The Jaded Kriegsman says, Tim, the Great Divorce may be a blessing in disguise.
It gives us a chance to bring government back to the level that people have more control of it.
Look up Bigness is Badness, the case for a national divorce by F.H.
Buckley.
It would be bad in the sense that China would immediately, you know, sweep in and start taking places over.
China would go to Oregon and Washington and be like, we're gonna invest heavily in your states, and they're gonna be like, done deal!
Right now, the U.S.
government can be like, no, you can't do these things.
Well, to be fair, China is investing in property, and they're buying up large swaths of farmland, and they're buying up companies, and they're paying off professors to leak, you know, scientific research to them, so sure, whatever, I guess.
At this point, we don't have a strong enough central government to do anything about it, so maybe decentralization would be the better thing for us.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Kyle Abram says, Ian, there's a great crystal shop in Shepherdstown near you called the Wings of Dreams.
So happy to have the crew in my area.
Welcome, guys.
We need more entrepreneurs like yourselves.
Build here.
lydia smith
That's awesome.
tim pool
We are.
unidentified
Thank you.
lydia smith
Shepherdstown Rocks.
tim pool
What is it called?
Wings of Dreams, Ian.
You should check it out.
ian crossland
I think you called it Shepherdstown Rocks.
unidentified
That's a cool name for a business, by the way.
tim pool
Wings of Dreams.
ian crossland
Like it.
tim pool
Dan Boot says we need to repeal the 17th amendment and the reapportionment act to dilute the votes in Congress and for senators to represent their states.
I think repealing the 17th is a good idea.
You know the 17th is?
daniel turner
Yes.
tim pool
Popular vote for senators.
daniel turner
Brilliant idea.
I mean, we've tinkered so much with the original structure of our government that we're surprised it doesn't work, so we just keep tinkering with it.
tim pool
Well, I mean, we can make amendments, that's what they're for, but I think at this point we can be like, hey, that one wasn't a good idea.
daniel turner
But if your two senators were working on behalf of the governor, For the good of your state?
tim pool
Or your state's?
daniel turner
Wouldn't that be wonderful?
tim pool
You would vote for your local state rep.
daniel turner
Wouldn't that be wonderful?
tim pool
And your reps would then vote for your senators.
And the reason that's a better idea is that people right now can't name who their local rep is.
Right.
They don't know and don't care.
So they're complaining about local issues.
Voting for a senator to go to Washington to represent them to fix issues that aren't going to be done at the national level.
So what you need to do is focus on who your local people are, and then they send people to the federal government.
I think that makes more sense because you're still voting for representation, but it's only about where you live and your specific local area.
Right now, people are ignoring all the local issues and it's becoming a disaster.
But I suppose the people who want a stronger centralized national power like that idea.
Yeah.
17th was what?
It was around, it was in the early 1900s?
daniel turner
That's all, I'm pretty sure it was Woodrow Wilson.
I could be wrong, but this was all part of the progressive movement.
And then look at what's next now is get rid of the electoral college, right?
And it's just, it is just getting rid of local government.
They don't like local government.
They like big central DC government.
tim pool
Worst president, Biden, Buchanan, or Wilson?
ian crossland
Most people, most people that I know that are like freedom oriented, like libertarians say Wilson.
Yeah.
Biggest fascists, most fascist president.
daniel turner
I don't think it's fair to say Biden yet because I do think history requires a little bit of, of removal from, uh, that only comes with time.
So he's, as of now, he's an awful president.
I'm surprised how bad he is.
I didn't think he could be worse than Obama.
Um, so I would have to go Wilson, but come back to me in 20 years.
tim pool
Mustang Sally says, us ladies of the night prefer the term sex worker.
I know because I am one and have been a huge fan for over a year.
We should definitely talk about that in the members only section.
If you guys are interested in that conversation.
And there's some other stuff we'll talk about too, so if you haven't already, smash that like button.
Subscribe to the channel and go to TimCast.com so you can watch the Members Only section where we can debate sex work and culture and the RET Utopia experiment, things like that.
And we've got some other stories we'll bring up for you, so you don't want to miss this one.
You can follow me at TimCast on basically every platform.
I have another YouTube channel, YouTube.com slash TimCast, you can check that out.
And you can follow the show at TimCast IRL, basically everywhere, just search for it.
You want to shout anything out, Daniel?
daniel turner
No, Daniel Turner, powerofthefuture, powerofthefuture.com.
It's great to be here and it's always good to talk to you fine fellas and Sour Patch Lids beating Cabbage Patch Kids.
Thank you.
chris karr
Very close.
daniel turner
Fun time.
chris karr
Chriscar17 on Twitter.
Awesome.
It's incredible.
Lydia, very happy for you.
Check out our awesome journalism at TimCast.com.
We've got a great team doing awesome work.
ian crossland
You can hit me up at Ian Crossland, really, anywhere.
Check this out.
Tim built these.
He was like, I want to see the best paper airplane.
And he wasn't lying.
This is really good.
He actually built a bunch more origami things over there.
So I'm gonna throw this to Tim.
And then Lydia, see if you can change the camera so you can catch it.
tim pool
Oh!
daniel turner
That's a great paper airplane.
tim pool
While we were waiting before the show started, I made a bunch of origami.
I made a pen holder.
Look at this.
This is, you know what we should do?
We should NFT this official pen holder.
No, we should actually ship this to someone.
I'll autograph this official pen holder for your desk because you know you need to hold your pen because it rolls around.
But more importantly, it's like tying a string to your finger, you know?
You pick up your pen, right?
And you use it, but then you put it down somewhere and you forget where it went!
With the official Timcast pen holder.
You just always put your pen right back in the holder, you put your pen holder down, and you'll never lose a pen again.
daniel turner
Could you use a pencil in there as well?
tim pool
No.
unidentified
Okay, you need a second one.
tim pool
You'll have to buy our second pencil holder.
Made of 100% grade A American paper.
I'm not confident that it's actually made of American paper.
lydia smith
I don't know, it's paper.
tim pool
Yes.
And, uh, Lydia already passed Sour Patch Kids.
lydia smith
Yes, yes, me as well.
Yes, I'm Sour Patch Lids here in the corner.
And Tim made me this box that I use to put my lip gloss in.
He's very handy with the paper.
And I do have to say thank you all very much, because apparently all of you guys follow me on Twitter, which is cool for my silly hot takes.
I really don't tweet about politics.
I try to mix it up and kind of make it life less unbearable.
So thank you guys for following me.
tim pool
I'm just loving people in the chat like, give me the Pence pen holder!
chris karr
You're on to something.
tim pool
All right, everybody.
We'll see you all over at TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out.
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