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Timcast IRL - The Afghan War Is OVER, Biden Leaves Americans Behind w/Libby Emmons
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tim pool
Peace.
It is officially the end of the Afghan war as declared by the United States.
I don't think it's fair to say that the war is officially over in a certain sense because there's still going to be very serious conflict between warring factions.
There are still Americans being left behind.
Many people are criticizing Joe Biden because he promised this wouldn't be the case and now they're saying it will be the case.
There's a lot to discuss there.
And I do think we're dealing with some very serious problems and obviously a very serious crisis.
But I'm not convinced, you know, it's fair to say that the U.S.
has finally ended the war so much as they just abruptly left mid-evacuation because the Taliban has overrun the Kabul airport and they can no longer maintain the position.
So sure, the war is over.
A resounding defeat that will lead to chaos.
And I'll tell you, when you see these videos, Taliban flying helicopters, walking through the airports, do you think they will be able to maintain that infrastructure and that economy?
No.
I think Afghanistan is going to start to look like Syria really soon, but far be it from me to actually be an expert.
I mean, to act like I'm an expert on this.
We are but humble internet people complaining about things and we've not been over there.
So we definitely, you know, we've had some veterans in the past, but we'll talk about the best of our abilities because certainly we're allowed to have opinions.
But I want to make sure that's clear.
I don't think anyone here is going to pretend to be an expert having deployed or actually experienced any of this stuff.
So take it with a grain of salt.
There's a lot of other stuff we can talk about too, which we will get into, but we got to talk about Afghanistan.
Joining us today is the wonderful Libby Emmons.
libby emmons
Hi.
tim pool
Do you want to introduce yourself?
libby emmons
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm the Editor-in-Chief with the Postmillennial.
Glad to be here.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
Welcome back.
libby emmons
Thanks.
ian crossland
Sup, Libby?
libby emmons
How's it going?
ian crossland
I'm concerned about this Afghan.
I'm concerned a couple things.
One is the way that it's been framed that we completed the withdrawal when it looks like we just stopped.
It didn't look like anything got completed.
It just ended with this what seems like an arbitrary outdate of the 31st.
I don't understand why he would...
Rush things out, leave all this equipment behind, and leave our allies behind?
libby emmons
The leaving of the equipment behind, I think, is pretty egregious.
Also, the shuttering of the Air Force Base, instead of keeping that open and not having to go through the civilian airport.
That seems like that was really poorly thought out as well.
tim pool
A lot of people are saying it feels intentional and feels as different from it is, but people have their opinions.
libby emmons
I wonder that it's really intentional or that it was just sheer incompetence, which is sort of what I'm leaning towards.
tim pool
I don't know.
We'll talk about it because I don't know if I agree.
libby emmons
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll talk about it, especially after Trump's latest comments.
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh, those are good, I hear.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
Well, let me before.
libby emmons
He's always got something to say.
ian crossland
Lydia!
lydia smith
I am also in the corner!
Yeah, I was like, what's next?
What's gonna happen next?
I cannot make up my mind if it's incompetence or malice.
It's always kind of a flip of the coin with the Biden administration.
I'm hoping it's incompetence, but the sheer volume of stuff that we left there for our actual enemies is really disheartening.
tim pool
Yeah, it could be abject failure.
lydia smith
Could be.
tim pool
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Let's jump into this first big story.
We've got the lead from Daily Mail.
Pentagon confirms the last U.S.
troops and evacuation flights have left Afghanistan just after midnight in Kabul.
Taliban take control of airport and celebrate with gunfire as 20-year war ends.
There's, there's so much to go through.
First of all, you know, Ian, you just mentioned in the intro that it doesn't feel like they've completed the withdrawal.
They just stopped withdrawing, like stopped evacuating people and just bounced out.
ian crossland
Yeah.
The way this, even the statement, this title that you just read off is phrases that the last American troops left, is that the last ones that are going to be leaving are gone now?
Or is that the last of all of them?
And they're, they're not clear.
libby emmons
I don't know if people They're very intentionally not clear.
They won't let you know how many Americans are left behind.
They won't let you know if they decided to stay on purpose or if they just didn't get in contact with these people.
And then you've also seen in the past like week or two, you've seen people saying on Twitter like, I let somebody use my WhatsApp to get a visa at one point and now I'm getting messages via WhatsApp on their behalf.
Are they getting the messages or am I just getting the messages?
You know, these kinds of things.
What's up with this WhatsApp thing?
And it's hard to have any idea what's going on.
The administration is not being transparent about it at all.
And you can see that in the questioning that they've been, the questions they've been taking.
ian crossland
What's up with this WhatsApp thing?
Someone let's...
libby emmons
Yeah, or maybe it was, I think it was actually an email.
So a person put on Twitter, I wish I had it, but it was one of these things that's on Twitter.
So it's not like you can figure out exactly what the truth is.
And the amount of things that I've been getting from people on Twitter that are like, here's video.
A bunch of people getting shot inside the Kabul airport and it's like, you know, I track through that person, I track through that person, track through everybody and then you eventually talk to someone who is unwilling to go on the record and you're like, okay, well this story is not going to ever get out if I can't verify who these people are and what's going on.
So yeah it was somebody had said I let a friend use my email address to receive visa information.
I'm getting notifications now about how it's time to leave Afghanistan.
Are they getting these notifications as well?
tim pool
So I don't think it's fair to say the war is over.
Because, well, unless the press just stops covering it entirely now and says, yay, Biden, you did it, and starts clapping.
I think the Atlantic wrote the article, or it was in the Atlantic, that Biden deserves credit, not criticism.
I'm like, no, he deserves criticism.
But the reason I say it's not over is there's still, I mean, at least estimates here from the Daily Mail, 100 to 200 Americans are still in Afghanistan, as well as our Afghan allies.
So do you think that in the coming days that we're going to hear news about American hostages?
libby emmons
I've been wondering about this as well, if we're going to have repeats of these kind of videos that we saw previously.
You know, these beheading videos, these hostage videos.
What's going to happen with that?
There was a clip that came out over the weekend.
It was Taliban soldiers in a TV studio with a TV anchor, and the anchor was saying what the Taliban told them to say.
You know, everything's going great.
I don't think we have any idea what's going on.
And the fact that we were engaged in a war for this long in a place that has destroyed empires before us was already absurd.
tim pool
Yeah, that one I find particularly humorous that people, you know, have mentioned, hey, all of these empires kind of faltered after Afghanistan fiasco.
But I'll tell you, I'll tell you back to the point about the war not being over.
I'm watching this video clip of the Taliban walking through the airport and there's like helicopters and planes.
It's not just the military equipment they received.
It's the civilian equipment that's left behind by those evacuating.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
That's all resources.
Trucks, there's something like 40,000 SUVs they've received.
And I'll tell you why it's not over.
You think the Taliban coming in, I don't care if it's the Taliban or any government, honestly, although the Taliban would be markedly worse, you think they're gonna be able to maintain the power?
They're gonna be able to maintain the infrastructure, the economy, the natural resources?
Homes are going to lose electricity overnight.
How many days do we have until all of a sudden the power goes out?
libby emmons
Well also they're already fighting with, they have ideological battles with this other terrorist organization.
tim pool
Right, ISIS-K.
libby emmons
Yeah.
There was actually a clip, I don't know, I hope I didn't tell you guys this already, but Jack Kerouac went on the William F. Buckley show in I guess the 60s or 70s, whenever it was, and Kerouac said that he thought the Vietnam War was a conspiracy between the North Vietnamese and the South Vietnamese, who in his words were cousins.
to get a lot of Jeeps in the country.
And Buckley said, well, you know, I don't think it went too well for them.
And Kerouac said, I don't know.
They got a lot of Jeeps.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
So, well, they've got a lot of American equipment.
tim pool
Have you seen the before and after footage from like Idlib or Aleppo, you know, in Syria and things like that?
libby emmons
Oh, yeah.
I mean, that was a while ago.
tim pool
A while ago, for sure.
I remember, you know, you're looking at these at these photos, particularly like Aleppo.
and it's and it's amazing this beautiful city and there's like the colors oversaturated because people are trying to purposely evoke emotion and but you see the trees you see the buildings the people and then it's like the syrian civil war it's rubble it's brown rubble i don't know if it's going to get that bad in afghanistan necessarily but i i person my personal opinion which is based off of just what we're seeing right now and a lot of things could change because i can't see the future i think it might get to that point You have no clear command structure.
It's a group of people who are fighting against the U.S.
And now, sure, sure, sure, let me say this.
You have some command structure, right?
There's people who are in charge.
But in order to maintain a country, let alone a city, you need massive managerial infrastructure, which they do not have.
So all of a sudden, you're gonna have some dude, and he's gonna be at a factory that makes, I don't know, plastic lids or something, whatever they might need.
And he's gonna be like, I don't know where any of this stuff comes from.
And he's going to go to the guy who works there and says, oh, we order from this other company, but no one's there right now or something like that.
The power company, people's going to leave already.
libby emmons
Things are going to shut down.
tim pool
The guy who ran their central bank fled.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So now there's no like, as much as I don't like central banking, there's still like the system has been gutted from the inside.
So what's going to happen?
With no food, people are going to go nuts and it's going to start breaking down and it's going to get brutal.
libby emmons
It does beg the question, what is America's responsibility to nations that can't handle their own governance?
We certainly stepped in in Europe all over the place, but is that the kind of thing that people want from us and other countries?
I think it's pretty clear that the people in Afghanistan don't want that.
They don't want the U.S.
determining their Government structure or you know any of that any of that kind of stuff.
So and what is the I saw another I wish I could remember exactly who this was.
I'm sorry that I can't but I saw somebody else who was talking about how America really is falling apart itself at this point.
How can we take in some 200,000 Afghan refugees Who knows how well they've been vetted.
We have people pouring across the southern border.
We don't have any control over that.
We have governors fighting with the president over the sovereignty of their own states and the sovereignty of American borders.
We can't properly educate our children.
We can't figure out a cohesive strategy for dealing with, you know, a global pandemic that we have taken responsibility for globally as well as nationally.
What is it that we think we're doing?
You know, it's like we constantly are talking about how much we hate ourselves and how we are the worst oppressors and we're, you know, this privileged, horrible, bratty country.
But we also take on everybody else's problems.
And as much as the left will talk about American exceptionalism being a problem, they're the most American exceptionalist of all.
They think that we can go out there, smack ourselves in the face, wear hair shirts and still save the world.
And that's what they expect.
It's very weird to watch.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I feel like this war thing in Afghanistan, which is never actually, it's not a real war.
It was never declared by Congress.
It was just a military action.
And it was only to get bin Laden.
There was no Taliban involved in any of this in the beginning.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Taliban formed around it.
And then then it was ISIS.
Then it was al Qaeda or it was al Qaeda in the beginning.
Well, let's slow down.
tim pool
Taliban was 1994.
ian crossland
OK, so it's been around forever.
So I guess, you know, people, different names, different places.
tim pool
No, the Taliban formed out of the out of the Mujahideen.
And they there was an Afghan civil war.
But it was like expanding, getting more power.
And then the U.S.
is like, we're going to go in and get them.
ian crossland
Well, we went in to get al Qaeda to get Osama bin Laden.
And then that that got happened after a couple of years.
And then they stayed.
tim pool
Yeah.
After a decade, bro.
ian crossland
And then the real reason we went in and came out was to build that country in the eyes
of America and get its resources.
Well that faltered.
We have no justification to fight.
I mean, it's not to fight the Taliban.
We were never there to fight the Taliban.
libby emmons
Right.
ian crossland
So that is not something we will ever do.
tim pool
Look, it was colonization.
They call it nation-building.
I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's colonizing.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was colonizing.
tim pool
I'm not saying that from some leftist, college, blue-haired perspective of like, they're colonizing.
No, it's like literally like... No, that's actually what it is.
Yeah.
libby emmons
The only problem with colonization is when it fails.
tim pool
And it can fail bad.
And it can fail really badly.
unidentified
Like massacres.
tim pool
I don't know.
There's problems with colonization.
How would you feel if China colonized New York City?
libby emmons
I think it'd be worse if they did a bad job of it, frankly.
tim pool
I think it'd be bad no matter what!
libby emmons
Yeah, it'd be terrible no matter what.
tim pool
Sure, I guess if China came in and all of a sudden restored everyone's civil rights... I would say Western colonization is specifically bad when it fails.
libby emmons
But I don't think, you know, I think there's an argument to be made that Western colonization has actually been globally good in a lot of ways.
tim pool
But, you know, I'm of the opinion that we should, at this point, I mean, to a certain extent, I would agree, obviously.
But I'm also of the opinion of, like, maybe we should mind our own business, especially at this point.
libby emmons
I feel that way as well.
And I also feel that way in terms of nations that clearly don't have any interest in what we have to offer.
tim pool
Well, there was a poll I saw of a bunch of different countries pertaining to Islam.
And when it came to Afghanistan, these people did not share our values in any way.
There were people who were, I'll put it bluntly, we can sit here and say, hey, look, it was better with Americans there because of freedoms and economics.
But these people genuinely hate, you know, our way of living.
They are very, very faith based.
They're very, very tribal, like literal tribes.
Actual and there was a poll where I think like a very large percentage thought the death for I'm sorry
The the punishment for apostasy is death like we don't have those things and so we enter this country
Very different way of living very different clothes much much more advanced weapons and we tell them from now on you
live the way we tell You naturally they're not happy with that. They're still
libby emmons
not happy with that. Well, and they shouldn't be you.
You know, there's also this issue of how can you bring you can't bring democracy and this kind of liberty to a populace that doesn't want it themselves.
You know, you can't just force that on people because that's like the thing you're saying you're not going to do.
And then you're doing it in order to get them to live your way.
That's not effective.
tim pool
But let's talk about the the the more What's the right word?
Terrifying result of everything we've done in this... I'm gonna say it, and people might get mad.
It actually is a kind of funny video, as much as it is horrifying.
libby emmons
Now I'm scared.
tim pool
Taliban appear to fly U.S.
Black Hawk helicopters over Kandahar.
The Afghan Air Force reportedly had 167 operational aircraft, including 33 Black Hawk attack helicopters, before the Taliban took over.
And there's a video, you may have seen it, of the Taliban Literally flying around in Blackhawks.
There's like a guy hanging from it.
And there's this one Twitter account of the Taliban, and they're tweeting, like, trying out our new weapons and stuff like this.
The U.S.
just gave one of the most advanced militaries, an air force and ground forces, to ideological extremists.
libby emmons
Who beat us back with basically rocks and sticks.
tim pool
That's the amazing thing.
Was the goal of the Americans like, how can we funnel a bunch of weapons to these people?
ian crossland
No, it was, we're going to leave these weapons for the Afghani allies.
It really was, but we're going to strip all their support out and they're just going to figure it out.
And then the Afghani allies were like, uh, no, we're not because we can't.
libby emmons
Well, but we also gave them, we also gave all those Afghan allies the option of leaving, right?
I mean, we facilitated in the past couple of weeks or whatever, we facilitated a massive brain drain from that country.
How do we expect it to ever stand up for itself after we basically said to all of the educated people there, why don't you just come here?
Why don't you abandon your responsibility to your own nation and come to a nation that we're already destroying?
tim pool
That's really the craziest thing to me, seeing so many people be like, I don't care about this place I'm leaving.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
You know, okay.
libby emmons
Why would we, why were we trying to help a nation where the people, the brightest people in the country didn't care about it?
ian crossland
Heroin and oil.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was going to say, these people were not raised, you know, a lot of them are young.
Like the one guy who got on the plane and then died, I think he was what, 19 years old.
libby emmons
Right, the soccer player.
tim pool
So he was born into occupation.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
He has no sense of country, no community.
So when it all comes crashing down, he's like, that's what I recognize.
And I don't know what that is.
I'm going with that.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So the United States did a very, very poor job of culture building.
And you know what's funny?
libby emmons
Well, we shouldn't be culture building somebody else's culture.
tim pool
Well, no, no, no, no, for sure.
We shouldn't have been in there in the first place.
But the point is, if you want an operation like this to be successful, to like create a stable country or whatever, you've got to give people stories and things to rally around and victories and something like, you know, we have that story of the writing of the Star Spangled Banner, where like the bombs are exploding and then every time a bomb blasts, you could see the flag just as the light of the explosions.
And then when they came back to the fort, what did they find?
We even have cultural stories though.
of the American soldiers who are running in and holding the flag up and their bodies formed
the base that kept it.
Those are the stories that people are like shed a tear like, yes, we did it.
They don't have any of that.
libby emmons
We even have cultural stories, though.
I mean, if you think about it, during the Cold War, you know, the USSR was our big enemy.
And how did we infiltrate the USSR?
We, you know, Americans and Europeans would go there with suitcases full of blue jeans and Beatles tapes.
We infiltrated culture from the bottom and from the side and from the angle.
ian crossland
They make the blue jeans illegal.
You'll literally be killed in public if you're listening to music in public.
libby emmons
And, you know, I think that that's something that America forgets is our best offerings are not our, you know, administrative level things.
Our best offerings are our culture and we are undermining that too at every turn.
tim pool
In the United States.
We are undermining our own culture.
It's falling apart.
I think for the most part, uh, the Uniparty is absolutely to blame.
These people have no idea how countries are run.
Politics is downstream from culture.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And so the Republicans clearly do not understand this.
When they're like, we got so many judges and yeah, and then the judges are like, political pressure has forced me to go in the direction of mainstream culture.
libby emmons
Also, once you're in court, you lost.
It doesn't matter what the victory is.
ian crossland
I gotta say, this 21st century war, because this is to both the points you guys are making, with the new age of military and the way it's done with the internet, you don't send troops to a country, nation building.
You don't put a soldier on every block and every window so that they can't get from place to place.
You basically are controlling the system because they have Facebook groups.
They can coordinate on the internet now.
Putting troops in a foreign country to nation-build is not the tactic anymore, and if anything that I've learned from the vets that are coming back there, it's that.
You did not fight in vain.
You fought to teach us that in a modern war we cannot be putting boots on the ground to build nations.
It has to be through the internet.
tim pool
Except when you can't get internet in there either because of the mountainous region of the country or because the
ideological extremism Yeah, that's which is which is my point about what's
happening here in the US They spent so much time worrying about Afghanistan and Iraq
and Iran in between that they ignored the fact that the US itself is being
Overrun by a psychotic cult of people and I'll tell you I love I love the idea of the cult
You know why because I saw this post about horse dewormer on reddit. Okay, that's
And the people in the commented like, it's a death cult.
And I'm like, bro, if you actually did two seconds of Google searching, you would realize that certain medications, which, you know, are widely available at Walgreens, but for some reason the media keeps saying horse dewormer over and over because you are in the matrix.
And so here we... Maybe that's what they're thinking.
They're like, I don't know.
Let's have a dumb population.
That'll allow us to flourish.
No, it won't.
A bunch of people who have no idea what's going on, who can't make any decisions, and perhaps you think that'll empower you, but it guts the country from the inside.
It's a brain drain happening in our own country.
libby emmons
We've done it on purpose.
I mean, we did it on purpose because we had these ideals of what we should be doing instead of the thing we were doing.
So we've gutted our educational system.
We've completely devalued the college degree.
We've devalued graduate degrees.
We've devalued diplomas.
We don't learn anything in schools at this point.
We don't teach anything, you know?
tim pool
Imagine unironically thinking college is a good idea.
libby emmons
Right?
Yeah.
tim pool
Or unironically saying college is a good idea.
libby emmons
I mean, I'm sure that I have a similar experience to you guys.
When I was a kid, my parents were like, you know, you're definitely going to college.
And I'm looking at my son, and I'm like, if you want, maybe you could go to state.
tim pool
Oh, I'm totally different from you.
I'd be like, no.
ian crossland
Yeah, make sure he understands compound interest.
libby emmons
I'm telling him, you know, like the money I have saved for you, you could also just buy some property if you want.
You know, you could travel.
ian crossland
Start a business at 14.
libby emmons
You could do whatever you want.
tim pool
You could read on your own on the internet which is now free and learn how to discern between real and fake news and then teach yourself because there are a lot of prominent young people or young people today who are older but rose to prominence when they were young because they just went online and there's some famous stories about young hackers or like you know let's say tech entrepreneurs and when they were 15 years old on the internet in forums contributing code The other 30-year-olds taking that code had no idea it was a 15-year-old contributing.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
And so there's a real opportunity to get away from that broken system.
But I do think there's a lot at the end of the tunnel, though, with the coming collapse.
Remote working means you'll be around your kids more often.
libby emmons
Right, that is a plus.
tim pool
And remote schooling means the parents are more likely to be near their kids when their kids are learning.
libby emmons
These are good things.
And to see what's actually being taught.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
The CTO of Minds.
libby emmons
Which is pretty important.
ian crossland
He was 17 when he started working with Minds.
I mean, you can do it young!
You do not need school.
tim pool
This is the big thing why we talk about the Cask Castle vlog we've been doing and building culture.
And trying to bring more people here to have fun?
libby emmons
Yeah, that's so important.
That's like the most important thing is storytelling, you know, remembering the old stories.
I think that's a big part of it, too.
The more we replace the canon with things that we think, you know, are contemporaneously important, the more we undermine what our culture is founded on.
There's a really interesting... We have to go back to the old stories.
tim pool
There's a really interesting kind of similarity between some of what's happening with the Taliban flying around in Blackhawks and what's happening in the U.S.
We have ideological zealots who have taken over the New York Times, for instance.
And so now they're wearing it like a skin suit.
And we see that with so many different franchises and movies.
unidentified
Yes.
libby emmons
Ezra Klein at the New York Times, we've seen that.
tim pool
What did he do?
libby emmons
He's just, you know, he's writing these columns all the time that are just supporting the administration without any real reason.
Or Jennifer Rubin today at the Washington Post, where she was like, the U.S.
is still the only superpower.
And it's like, girl, if you got to say that, we're already in trouble.
tim pool
So the New York Times, this powerful institution of, you know, 100 plus years or whatever, now being worn as a skin suit by these ideologues.
American military power and Air Force supremacy of the Blackhawks now being worn by an ideological extremist group that have seized control of this infrastructure.
How many missiles did they leave?
I'm not saying it's identical.
I'm just saying there's an interesting similarity.
libby emmons
They're not going to tell you how many missiles they left.
They're not going to tell you how much equipment.
ian crossland
Did you see this Taliban's new arsenal graphic?
libby emmons
Was anyone able to... Yeah, there were some graphics, but I couldn't figure out where they came from.
ian crossland
This says it's from the U.S.
Government Accounting Office.
tim pool
Ian, what country is due west of Afghanistan?
ian crossland
That would be Iran.
tim pool
And do you think that when everything starts falling apart in Afghanistan, and they need electricity and infrastructure and resources, do you think they might say, hey Iran, look at the 42,000 SUVs we have.
Might you need some of this?
Yes, I think- We have some Hellfire missiles sitting right here in this building!
We can't do anything with them!
I think- But you know what we do need is electricity!
libby emmons
Well and Iran is pretty close- a lot closer to nuclear capability now at this point anyway.
tim pool
I'm willing to bet the moment They took Kabul, like I'm willing to bet a phone call was made the moment Donald Trump signed that peace treaty with Iran was immediately like, you know, like, what do you got?
What are we going to do?
But I'll tell you this.
There may have been some phone calls back and forth back then.
The moment word got out.
What do you think would have happened if the U.S.
that all of this equipment was abandoned iran called up and said you know call of the elements that
but he had a you've been popular who's always been there for you
libby emmons
what do you think would have happened the u s had left
tim pool
on trump's timetable uh... it's it's not so much of a timetable to about the the
the caliber of leadership
libby emmons
Right.
I'm wondering how that would have been, if it would have been any different.
Biden has said repeatedly that he doesn't think it would have been any different.
He says, I think he's wrong too.
tim pool
It would have been similar.
libby emmons
I think it would have been a little more organized, perhaps.
tim pool
It's not so much about the timeline.
The bigger question is, what would have happened if Biden stuck to the arrangements and agreements set forth by the Trump administration?
How about this?
Why did they abandon Bagram overnight?
Because they easily could have said, we're evacuating out of Bagram.
Why didn't they do it in April?
I haven't fact-checked this, but I've seen some reporting.
In April, the U.S.
issued a warning to American citizens.
You need to get out.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Now a lot of Americans stayed, chose to stay, and that is true, but I don't think it's as
easy to say that Americans were like, well they're choosing to stay, that's their problem.
Well, it's probably like there's people they're trying to help and won't leave behind.
And so that means the US need to have a hard extraction, like come on, get your stuff,
we are leaving, you can't stay.
Americans do have a right to choose to stay in a combat zone, private contractors or whatever.
But I believe if they stuck to the original plan, and I'll tell you this, it's more to do with the leadership than just the plan.
But if the original plan was stuck to, I don't think this would have happened.
I think the Taliban would have absolutely tried moving forward, and then there would have been some very serious drone strikes.
Drone striking, moving militants through the desert, heading to provincial capitals, is a lot easier than doing a drone strike on residential houses in Kabul, which just killed a bunch of kids.
libby emmons
Yeah, I think that there's also something to be said for sticking to the plan that your predecessor laid out, because America's word is now garbage.
We made a deal, and then we were just like, meh.
I feel like that's a problem.
Regardless of whether or not, you know, the Taliban would have stuck to their end, the U.S., once the U.S.
makes a deal, like, we should stick to that.
It shouldn't matter who's in power.
tim pool
The Taliban broke the deal.
libby emmons
Right.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
tim pool
I'm sorry.
I take that back.
Biden broke the deal.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
He broke the timeline.
libby emmons
We should have said, we should have like, you know, as soon as he got into office, he should have said something like, if this was the view, I don't think we should leave right away.
But we said we would.
So I'm going to honor the word of the United States.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I feel like he didn't do much about it in the early days of his presidency.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
He didn't do anything except reverse Trump bans on critical race theory.
You know, he spent days reversing executive orders instead of actually, you know, and getting masses of praise for that.
ian crossland
I could see like months and months where they did not do anything about evacuation, even though they knew they had a timetable, because in the back of his mind, he was like, F Trump.
That guy's I'm not paying attention.
That guy, whatever.
I'm not right.
I'm focusing on this.
And he had months to prepare for this.
libby emmons
Well, and I think he also had this completely backwards idea that the entire rest of the world thought that Trump was as illegitimate as the current administration thinks Trump was.
But in fact, that wasn't the case.
Whether our allies or enemies or whatever liked or didn't like Trump, he was the legitimately elected president and he was treated that way, as well he should have been, and his bilateral agreements You know, were the word of the United States, whether Biden liked them or not.
So when he came in, he kind of acted like, oh, the past four years, I can just, you know, completely sweep them under the rug and get rid of everything that happened during that period of time, because everyone knows that that was an illegitimate presidency.
And that was completely bonkers.
And and a slap in the face to the American public that voted for the previous administration.
tim pool
Joe Biden made a promise.
He promised that there would not be Americans left behind.
From The Daily Caller, Biden breaks his promise and leaves stranded Americans behind at the mercy of the Taliban.
There's some nuance here that I do want to get into.
libby emmons
What's it like?
They said it was like in the low hundreds, I think, right?
tim pool
I don't know if I believe that.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, that sounds absurd to me.
It's got to be in the thousands.
libby emmons
And you saw that question the other day about transparency, where the one kid was like, maybe I'm saying kid, I'm sure he's younger than me anyway, but he was like, you know, you didn't give us accurate information about dog bites, so why do we think that you're giving us accurate information now?
Major apparently bit Secret Service guys for days, and instead of answering the question of how can we believe you now when you weren't even transparent about the stupid dog, Jen Psaki just gave information about the dog, which may or may not be accurate.
tim pool
So this is from August 19th, this promise.
If there's American citizens left, we're going to stay to get them all out.
libby emmons
Oh, that's right.
tim pool
Now they're saying, well, you know, everybody wanted out.
We got them.
Huh?
And we can't get them anyway.
ian crossland
Why did they rush?
Why did they rush?
I don't understand.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
Rush?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Why did they rush to get out by the 31st?
tim pool
What?
ian crossland
So what?
The Taliban.
tim pool
They didn't rush.
ian crossland
Well, why didn't they get everybody out?
libby emmons
I thought the Taliban kind of took over the airport.
ian crossland
Well, that's because they started evacuating.
They got rid of Bagram.
They pulled out all sorts of weird defenses and logistics early.
tim pool
Hold on.
An attack happened.
And 13 servicemen and women were killed because the U.S.
did not pull them off of the gate.
What is it?
Abbey Gate.
libby emmons
That's right.
tim pool
And they had forewarning.
They warned others to prepare for an imminent attack, and they did not pull our troops off that gate.
They wanted to keep it open a little bit longer for the British.
libby emmons
Was it those service animals?
tim pool
Americans were told not to come, to stay away.
The men and women in uniform at the gate were supposed to shut it down earlier, but they decided to leave it open, and that's what happened.
And so they're under fire.
They fear more attacks are coming, so they said, pull them out.
ian crossland
I'm thinking, like, grand scheme.
You've got all these people you need to get out.
Why would they just not say, look, it's going to take us until it takes us to get these people out.
The Taliban, what are they going to do, attack?
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Well, we're at war.
ian crossland
Then we attack back.
We've been at war for 20 years.
We're going to stay there, and we're going to get everybody out.
tim pool
Why?
ian crossland
It's already bad!
It's war!
There's so many people there that need our help!
tim pool
Ron Paul, I think, said it best.
When you prescribe the wrong medication, you don't simply say, well, there might be a withdrawal, so we'll keep him on it.
No, you get off that medication.
And what he's saying is, we should not be in this country.
ian crossland
But what if the medication got people addicted, and it's going to kill them if you take them off it?
But it's not the right medicine.
You gotta figure out a way to get them off without killing them.
tim pool
I mean, we never should have gone in.
if there would be a withdrawal withdrawal symptoms from it.
The point is you can't we can't just stay we we we can't reinvade. I mean the problem was should have
ian crossland
gone in it was just it's a bunch of backseat quarterback Monday morning quarterback.
libby emmons
Sure.
But I mean, still, like, what were we supposed to, what would we be doing there right now?
Other than, like, getting shot at.
ian crossland
Drone bombing.
Roads.
libby emmons
Aren't we doing that?
tim pool
Listen, this is exactly the problem.
libby emmons
That's what we did do.
tim pool
Joe Biden botches the withdrawal.
And now here you are saying we should have stayed in.
Exactly.
ian crossland
We should have evacuated people if we were going to evacuate people.
tim pool
That's why Tucker Carlson said, it seems like Biden did this on purpose.
And he's not the only one who said it.
libby emmons
What, just to make it look?
I missed that clip.
Was that like to make it look like we shouldn't have left at all?
tim pool
By botching this withdrawal, it would force the U.S.
to re-invade.
And now even Trump himself is saying, I would send in more troops.
libby emmons
Yeah, yeah, yeah, here we go.
We did send in like 6,000 more troops.
tim pool
We did.
And so the concern is the stupidity or the malice, whichever one it is you want to believe it was, because abandoning a two runway Air Force base and then shuttling everybody to the civilian airport in the middle of a densely populated city is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
ian crossland
Asking permission from the enemy to allow us to retreat.
Like, come on.
You get it.
You do that in war sometimes.
tim pool
And now there are Americans still there because having nothing to do with the timeline.
The timeline is irrelevant.
Biden's promises are meaningless.
The point is, the administration is so absolutely vile and pathetic, whether it was intentional or not, they screwed up everything.
And maybe they want this as justification.
I don't remember who was on the show last time they said, maybe it was to punish us.
That you see what happens when you want to withdraw?
This is what happens and you get to watch.
Yeah, well, it's your fault.
I don't care.
Screw all of these people who started all of it and want to do everything in their power to make sure this stuff keeps happening.
If we didn't go in there in the first place... Listen, Cassandra Fairbanks said it best when she was on the show talking about China.
There are many countries on this planet that are engaging in atrocities, and we don't report it in the news.
We don't talk about it.
We don't go there.
We don't invade.
We don't colonize.
But for some reason, some of these countries...
libby emmons
Oh, absolutely.
tim pool
What did the Taliban say?
They said, how come the U.S.
is okay with Saudi Arabia?
libby emmons
That's a really good question.
tim pool
Yeah, so I'm sick of all of this.
I'm sick of their excuses for how they break things and then say, oh no, oh, but if only, no, not if only, you guys broke it on purpose.
I don't mean the withdrawal, I mean the country itself.
They wanted to nation build.
It was an intentional action to go into the country, start nation building, and the whole thing broke because of it.
libby emmons
I think Obama's interest was in nation building because he ran on a platform in his first campaign.
He said, I'm going to send more people into Afghanistan.
We're going to keep doing this.
And I remember talking to friends at the time being like, he's going to keep this war going.
You guys marched with me against this war when George Bush invaded.
We, you know, went into the streets and we were like, don't do this.
And now you're voting for Obama, who is definitely planning to keep this war going.
And that's, of course, what happened.
tim pool
My favorite was people I knew who voted for Obama twice, who then were like, we have to vote for Biden.
I'm like, dude, you were at Occupy Wall Street protesting Biden, like Biden and Obama.
You were mad at them.
Now you're like, Biden's our only hope.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They've sure turned you around.
libby emmons
They really, they really sold us on this guy.
They really sold the country on this guy.
It was a false bill of goods.
They did such a terrible job.
It's like and everyone just kept backing him.
All of the news media for the most part was backing him.
You know, you had like universities and institutions and all the organizations were saying we have to go with Biden all because they hated Trump.
They did this to us because they hated Trump.
for their own reasons without being able to look at, you know, policies or whatever and say, oh, this is OK.
This is not good.
I hate his bluster.
But this is you know, this is what the situation is.
It's a they created this cult of personality for Trump and then became everything they hated about him.
tim pool
It's really the most amazing thing.
libby emmons
And propped up a puppet presidency.
tim pool
Like the you know, the joke is an alarming number of people who said punch a Nazi are now saying papers, please.
ian crossland
That punch-a-nazi thing was so disturbing.
2017, is that when it got popular?
libby emmons
Remember Kill Turfs?
There was a Kill Turfs exhibit at the San Francisco Public Library.
tim pool
There was a funny thing that happened on Facebook where a bunch of feminists were saying, kill all men.
And then Facebook started banning them.
And they were shocked and outraged, saying, but we're just making a political point!
And Facebook was like, you can't advocate for genocide.
And they were like, but, and I'm like, no buts.
You can't advocate for genocide.
ian crossland
You lunatics.
But you can't ever say, advocate for punching people of a political persuasion in the face.
Like, that's so crazy.
That should be banned, too.
unidentified
Yeah, Twitter allowed it.
tim pool
Twitter allowed it.
ian crossland
That stuff gets banned off my, when I was working at Mines, that stuff was not allowed.
That was a call to violence.
It wasn't, the thing is, it's not an imminent call to violence, because it's not like punch a Nazi at 2 p.m.
tomorrow.
That then becomes illegal.
But when you just say, hurt a person, you know, and you're kind of vague about it, there's no imminent threat.
tim pool
The problem is it's not illegal.
It's not.
At the time it was the word Nazi.
Now it's like far right.
Everybody's far right.
Next it'll be what?
There's no definition of what these things mean.
We try to understand what it is, but I just love when they like, like, I love when they smear Ian trying to make you seem right wing and everyone who watches the show is like... It's so confusing.
ian crossland
Even to me, dude.
It's certainly not true.
Tidal wave, hurricane.
tim pool
It's like you're a long-haired hippie guy talking about psilocybin and DMT.
ian crossland
All this stuff transcends political parties.
That's part of why I'm here and why I enjoy this so much.
You know, we're people first with, like, needs and wants.
And then the politics, we've just made up.
All that stuff didn't used to exist.
As humans, we've created it.
tim pool
But I love talking to people who are, you know, trying to navigate the space, maybe new to it.
And they're like, you know, are you left or right?
And they'll say something like, oh, I don't know.
You know, I think I'd be on the left or like probably middle of the road and then I say something like, what did I say?
I can't remember.
There's so many wedge issues in the culture war, but something like, do you think there should be no medical exemptions for vaccine mandates?
And they're like, oh, well, no, I don't think, okay, you're an anti-vaxxer and you're far right.
No joke.
If you went outside and you were standing in front of a hospital and someone said, do you oppose mandatory vaccination with no medical exemption?
You said, wow, that sounds really bad.
Aha, you're far right.
The media would call you far right.
libby emmons
You know, that's been happening all over my Facebook.
So I'll post things.
I think it was the last thing I posted on Facebook was probably Tyrant de Blasio's vaccine mandate situation thing.
And I was like, this is tyrannical and fascistic.
And I got so ganged up on for that.
And people are saying, you know, you give up privacy all the time or, you know, you've given away this many of your rights already.
So what's a few more?
tim pool
That's a good reason to do it.
You're losing.
libby emmons
So just lose.
Just give it up altogether.
You know, you've already cut off your right arm, so just cut off your left.
tim pool
It's the word just.
It's just a mask.
Calm down.
It's just 15 days.
Calm down.
It's just until we can make sure we slow this down.
libby emmons
It's not a big deal.
Why are you speaking back against authority?
Here's the thing about the people I'm talking about here, okay?
These are people that I have known.
These are artists.
These are actors.
They're writers.
They're directors.
They're theater people.
They're painters.
And they're telling me that my concern about having to show my paperwork just to order a drink at a bar, that makes me a bad person.
That I would dare question the authority.
These are people who have for their entire lives, until now, said things like, question authority, you know?
And then Obama comes along.
First of all, that was the first clue that all of these people are willing to turn tail, right?
Obama comes along and everyone suddenly trusts the federal government.
Why would you ever trust the federal government for anything?
ian crossland
I also was in the theater.
I found a lot of people in the theater.
This is a gross exaggeration.
It definitely isn't going to be for everybody in the theater, but I think a lot of them are followers that want to be accepted, that are kind of weirdos, that love being part of a group and that need to feel like they're not weird.
And so now we're seeing that sociologically because a lot of people I know in the theater are weird, like huddling with the mask and like, let the government control everyone.
libby emmons
That is what's going on.
They're hiding out.
They want to be famous.
Yeah.
tim pool
They get into jobs like this because their goal is to be famous.
libby emmons
That's not how art used to be.
ian crossland
Mostly, not really.
libby emmons
That's not how real art used to be.
Like, when I got involved in art, I was an artist and so I had to be involved in making art.
And it had nothing to do with being famous or anything like that.
You know, it's nice to have accolades.
It's nice to have people recognize your work and say that they enjoy it.
But making art has nothing to do with being accepted by masses of people or being propelled into some sort of stardom.
That's the complete bastardization of it.
You make art because you need to tell stories, because you need to communicate part of the river of human consciousness.
You need to explore that.
You need to communicate that to people.
That's what art is.
Is art an object or is art the experience of participating in art?
Which one is it?
Is it both?
These are the questions that artists used to ask.
These are the questions that we used to talk about late at night and try and figure out what kind of work we wanted to make.
And now you see what's going on in the art world.
And it's all about propelling your own personal self forward and hoping you get some sort of, you know, I don't know, Oscar or whatever the things are.
It doesn't make any sense, and it's not art.
It's just another industry.
tim pool
I noticed something really interesting.
A great change happened that makes me kind of happy.
Several years ago, back when I was working for like Vice and Fusion, I would get emails all the time from people who were like, I want to do what you do, you're so lucky, I want to travel the world, report, make documentaries, it sounds so amazing!
And I'd be like...
Well, go and do it.
libby emmons
Go do the thing.
tim pool
But they would always be like, oh, it's too hard.
I don't have enough money.
It's impossible.
If only I had your job.
And I said, I just bought a bus ticket for 20 bucks and went to New York with a cell phone.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I had a cell phone.
But you can do it, right?
Well, there were a few people that I said, OK, how about this?
How about you come, I'll introduce you to a bunch of people, we'll get you a bunch of advice, we'll send you off in the right direction.
And they're like, wow, really?
Like, yeah, come hang out.
By all means, we want to support people who want to do this stuff.
And you know what would happen every single time?
Within a week, they'd be like, I don't want to do this.
Hold on, what do you mean you don't want to do this?
Ah, they saw how the sausage got made.
You mean you have to actually get on a plane for 12 hours, it's uncomfortable, your back hurts, then you land, you're groggy-eyed, you go through security, they question you, what you're doing, they could turn you around, you gotta go to the press building, then you're in a country where they have no muzzle control and the Egyptians were pointing guns straight at people's heads.
And they're like, that doesn't sound fun, that's scary.
And I'm like, so what did you want to do exactly?
Well, I wanted to be on TV.
libby emmons
That's the same thing that used to happen with art.
So I was making theater, you know, for no money.
I was like, you know, paying stuff out with my own day job or whatever, which was fine.
I'm honored and privileged to do it.
But people seem to think that the thing you're doing is something else, right?
So it's like you show up, you work 12-15 hours a day to do the thing, to make the artwork, to make that one crystallized perfect moment that you can share with the audience.
And then everybody loves it.
And then everyone wants to, yeah, because that's what happens.
And people are like, I want to do that.
I want to make that kind of artwork.
But they don't actually want to make it.
They just want to be part of that final experience.
And it's not the same thing.
Like it's, when you're really, when you're doing successful work, you don't realize that you're successful.
You're just doing the thing that you do every day.
tim pool
Well, here's what the change was. So I saw I saw those people who are just like, oh, I want to be on TV
I want to be famous and then something started to change around the Trump era
When Trump came out and I saw the media lying and I'd be like they're lying about that and they're lying about that
and I don't Like Hillary or Trump's or whatever all of a sudden a lot
of these emails started to stop and today As much as we get tons of job offers
There's something very different in in the requests in In the, I wanna do what you do.
It's very, very different.
The emails I get now are like, I'd love to help in any way.
I'm good at doing these things.
Is that something that you need?
It used to be, I wanna do what you do.
And you know what I realized?
The people who would say things like, I want to do what you do, what they were really saying was, I want to be socially accepted and famous.
And now that you are effectively an apostate of the liberal order by coming out and being like, orange man, not that bad.
Just saying something like that.
They're like, oh, well that won't make me famous.
I don't want to do that.
And I'm like, it's such a relief now.
Because now I don't get the emails from people who are like, all I care about is notoriety.
Now the people are like, I just care about doing something good.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Way better.
libby emmons
Which is much more important than notoriety.
And it also gives you a life instead of just a couple of moments.
tim pool
The left has become overwhelmingly narcissistic, paranoid, delusional, and not every single leftist.
There are some dirtbag leftists who are anti-woke and just believe in, like, leftist economic policy, and that's fine.
But the overarching popular leftists on YouTube are, like, the most duplicitous pro-establishment shills.
Plus, then you have the Uniparty, which is, you know, the neocons and the Lincoln Project, along with the Democrats.
It's all the same thing.
It is a hive of scum and villainy and narcissists.
libby emmons
That's because they became the thing they hated.
They said, Trump is all of these things.
tim pool
Or they were just projecting the whole time.
libby emmons
Right, and we have to beat him no matter what, no matter if we break all our own rules.
So they became the horrible thing that they thought he was.
tim pool
I don't think they have rules.
When, like, listen.
libby emmons
No, no, they don't have rules because there's not a value system.
There's no undercurrent of ethos, right?
It's just shifting sands.
tim pool
When I see someone who can say something within the same, like, hour.
Like, there's a really funny tweet where they're like, F the police!
F the police!
Ashley Babbitt's shooter was justified.
This officer.
libby emmons
That's a shocking thing to watch that, right?
So I was what I was looking today.
CNN reported about how Pelosi's special committee on January 6th, right?
Because that's what we're doing now.
She reported about how they are now trying to get telecommunications companies to fork over phone records for like hundreds of people, including a bunch of Members of Congress?
Members of Congress, yeah, like mostly GOP legislators like Matt Goetz and Lauren Boebert and Jim Jordan and Jim Banks, the people that she cut from the committee in the first place after McCarthy appointed them.
And CNN reported the committee's investigation into the deadly riot of January 6th.
They keep saying this deadly riot thing over and over, and they refuse to ever just print where a police officer shot an unarmed woman to death with no warning or provocation.
tim pool
This is one of the darkest stories, I gotta tell you, to be completely honest, from CNN.
January 6th committee to ask telecommunications companies to preserve phone records of members of Congress who participated in Stop the Steal rally.
They're doing it in increments.
libby emmons
Yes.
tim pool
They're preserving the records, because they don't want to come out right now and seize the records.
They did a blacklist last week.
libby emmons
Did you see that?
tim pool
A blacklist?
libby emmons
They did a roundup.
They demanded all of the correspondence between a number of conservative, it was like conservative journalists and influencers and a bunch of people in the Trump administration and associates there.
That's right.
tim pool
This is the next level.
So they're doing it one step at a time.
First it's, you know, we want this information from the government on these individuals, the Trump administration and all the activists who helped him and their communications from around election time.
libby emmons
They're trying to pull that from the archives.
tim pool
They want phone records preserved, which means give it a week and they'll say, okay, now we want those phone records.
libby emmons
That's correct.
tim pool
So this is... And they're throwing... We talk about the collapse of Afghanistan, but this is the collapse of the U.S.
No joke.
libby emmons
It's horrifying to watch this unfold.
And what we're seeing is that they don't actually have any evidence of the thing that they believe happened.
tim pool
There's no one charged with insurrection.
libby emmons
That's exactly right.
There's very few people charged with assault.
There were like very few people charged with previous conspiracy.
Right.
And the previous conspiracy people were like known members of, you know, radical organizations.
tim pool
I mean, it's like, they said, the FBI report said there was no coordination or central planning.
libby emmons
Scant evidence.
They found scant evidence, yeah.
tim pool
They said there was some evidence to indicate people planned on breaking into the building, but no actual plan for what that would entail.
libby emmons
That's right.
tim pool
So, people smack-talking on the internet, I guess?
libby emmons
That's basically it.
And mostly they were doing it on Facebook.
Even though they pulled Parler down to punish Parler for Facebook's sins.
tim pool
And from this, we are now getting the Democratic Party going after their rivals, their political opponents.
Everything they accused Trump of doing, they are doing right now to the umpteenth degree.
libby emmons
That's correct.
tim pool
So this is the end.
I can't see how a country can lose in Afghanistan, considering the past examples of the collapses of countries after failing in Afghanistan.
OK, maybe that's unfair, but man, was that bad.
ian crossland
It could shatter the empire.
Yeah, for sure.
Like the Soviet Union cracked, but Russia remains.
libby emmons
Even a search warrant, you need to have probable cause and say what you're looking for.
And this committee, they're not even saying what they're looking for because they don't actually have any idea how they're going to prove that January 6th was a white supremacist conspiracy to overthrow the government.
tim pool
They don't care about that.
They want phone records because those phone records will then leak.
libby emmons
Yes.
They want all of it because they don't know what they're looking for.
ian crossland
I mean, we're at the age of just don't use a phone.
Don't use unencrypted communication.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, that funny story.
People know it better than I do, but that story about the war game they did where like the older guy went up against the younger guys and the older guy won because he sent communications via motorcycle with a written note and they were trying to do digital and they couldn't track it or something like that.
It's a funny story.
Yeah, but you can't not use a phone, you know what I mean?
But you can use things like Signal.
ian crossland
You can use Telegram and Signal, yeah.
tim pool
Telegram and Signal.
You can set up custom operating systems.
You can learn how to flash, you know, different operating systems on your phone.
It's not the easiest thing in the world, but it's not particularly difficult.
But I think the bigger issue here is it's not about looking for evidence.
What they're doing is they're saying, for one, if you oppose us, we will dig through all your records.
We know those records will leak to the press, whether it's social media or telecommunications, and more importantly, they're looking for strategy.
They wanted information on all of these people from April 2020 to January 2020.
libby emmons
Right.
Once they have that information, could people just put in FOIA requests for it?
tim pool
I don't.
Well, so the issue with the first request on social media was that they want government communications, things that already exist.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
So entirely possible now that they've made the announcement.
libby emmons
That was the National Archives stuff.
tim pool
Now that they've made the announcement that these things potentially exist, I'm sure BuzzFeed already went to town subpoenaing every single one of these individuals.
It's actually, there's a funny thing that I did at Vice once, we wanted to do, we never actually did, we were planning it, was to do a FOIA request on ourselves and see what comes up, and then whoever gets the biggest stack is the winner.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
You know, going to North Korea, Venezuela, you'd wonder who has the bigger, you know, FBI file or whatever.
So, but you can easily do this.
You can now FOIA request saying like, oh, the Democrats requested this.
I would like public information, you know, these documents to be released to the public on all of these individuals and what they were saying.
And it's going to leak regardless of FOIA.
libby emmons
Well, the National Archives, I don't think, have turned over the information yet.
I think they have till, like, September 9th.
tim pool
It'll happen.
libby emmons
You think so?
It's the second request.
The committee asked for it, I think, back in March or something.
tim pool
Yes, so a lot of the request is new.
Some of it didn't get turned over, but I think it will.
libby emmons
Interesting.
tim pool
I mean, we'll see.
ian crossland
Was there resistance before?
libby emmons
No, I think they just didn't do it.
I don't know.
I mean, the National Archives, they're probably sitting there like, really?
We got to do something?
Why?
ian crossland
There's a lot of work.
The CIA can look at anybody's info at any time without a request.
They can do like a kangaroo court and get a FOIA or whatever.
tim pool
FISA?
ian crossland
Yeah, FISA.
But Congress has to get permission.
This is what we're learning, right?
libby emmons
They have subpoena power.
I mean, this committee has that power.
tim pool
They could just subpoena, but I think they're slow rolling it.
That's why they're saying preserve records.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's why they're not saying we demand all records immediately.
They're slow rolling it so that people don't get shocked.
They want the frogs to boil, not jump out of the pot.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
These are truly dark days.
ian crossland
I know, it's annoying.
I thought that the government was going to help me.
unidentified
Also, the Durham report.
libby emmons
What?
ian crossland
Growing up, I was always like, thank God I live in the U.S.
libby emmons
Oh, really?
tim pool
I thought you meant like recently.
I was like, no way, dude.
ian crossland
For like the last 30 years, I was like, sweet.
tim pool
Right, I was like, after everything you've said, I can't deny it.
ian crossland
This government's awesome.
libby emmons
Aren't we still waiting for the Durham report to come out also?
Because the... But I think it was due already to talk about this.
tim pool
You were like, for a second there, like, is he being serious?
libby emmons
I caught on.
I caught on pretty quickly.
tim pool
Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
After I was in a little car wreck today, you know, everything's a little... I don't think there's gonna be a Durham report.
ian crossland
You saw a four-car pileup you were talking about.
libby emmons
Oh, yeah.
It was behind me.
ian crossland
That's crazy.
You barely avoided it.
tim pool
I was like fast and furious and you like drifted and the car flew over you.
ian crossland
You rose up out of the car.
libby emmons
No, there was this crazy truck driver.
He didn't break in time.
He smashed into a whole bunch of people and the car behind me like smashed into smashed into us.
And then I hit the gas and we like got out of there.
ian crossland
Did you fear for your life at any time in that?
libby emmons
Kind of, yeah.
I'm a new driver.
I've only been driving for like less than a year now.
ian crossland
Like we talk politics.
Yeah, yeah.
But like when your life is on the line, look at these people in Louisiana right now with this hurricane.
How many people are stranded right now?
libby emmons
Roofs coming off of hospitals?
ian crossland
Dude, I remember that one in 2003, the hurricane that George Bush... The Katrina?
Katrina!
And they mishandled that terribly.
libby emmons
1,800 people died in that.
ian crossland
People were on their roofs.
tim pool
Now we're truly entering the panopticon.
Drone footage flying overhead, filming people looting buildings.
ian crossland
Oh wow!
In Louisiana?
tim pool
So speaking of surveillance... The eye that sees everything but itself.
ian crossland
I love the panopticon.
And them shutting down the airspace over that wreckage earlier is probably because they don't want the panopticon.
libby emmons
Right?
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, I think we're headed towards a future where there's going to be drones over your backyard.
You're going to be in your bathroom and the government drone's going to fly up to the window and you're going to be naked.
It's going to be like, do not be alarmed, citizen.
We are simply doing an ID check.
And you're going to be like, OK.
libby emmons
It's not going to be the government drone.
It's going to be Amazon.
tim pool
Or Tesla.
Well, maybe not Tesla.
Apple.
libby emmons
Tesla's going to have some kind of weird Musk-type implosion situation.
But it's definitely going to be Amazon saying, stay in your homes.
We will bring you the things that you require.
tim pool
That was, uh, what show was I watching?
I think that was Electric Dreams.
The one I was talking about a little bit.
Where it's like, the AI system wipes out humanity by just mass producing products of want.
And so then eventually humans are just strangled out from the dying environment.
And they're like, the machines just drop boxes of random garbage.
But I think what we'll likely see is with moves like this over the, you know, January 6th, they're going after politicians.
They're going after prominent activists.
This really does paint a picture of that future where Amazon, like there's a uniparty, like we had a uniparty for some time, but they'll lucratively merge with the likes of Amazon or whatever.
libby emmons
Well, that's already happening.
I mean, when you see, you know, the administration was asked if they were going to do vaccine passports.
And they said, no, there will be no federal vaccine credential.
Right.
But then they supported states doing it.
They supported cities doing it.
And they have been encouraging businesses to do it themselves.
So you see that they're already teaming up.
They're already creating this corporate federal infrastructure that is Horrifyingly difficult to get out of, like the CCP.
I think that's real.
I mean, this is something I think is definitely happening, and it's happening with all of our acquiescence.
We like having little pieces of garbage delivered to our homes.
tim pool
I just watched this really amazing classical movie.
It's called Fast and Furious.
One of the classics.
libby emmons
I've never seen this film.
tim pool
You've got to see it.
You know why?
Because I was watching it and the bad guy's name is Reyes.
Now hold on.
Listen.
Okay?
The bad guy's name is Reyes.
libby emmons
Okay.
tim pool
And he's a Brazilian, like, crime lord.
And he was, in the beginning of the movie, this is really, this is a profound moment, I was thinking about this.
He was talking to these two guys and he says, you know, I don't want to work with you.
Your methods are too violent.
You know, when you get violent and you back someone into a corner, they have nothing left to lose and they fight back.
I give them something to lose, and then I own them.
And I was like, wow.
That's something big.
I didn't think I was going to get any kind of philosophy from Fast and Furious.
But to say like, give the people something to lose and then threaten to take it away, and you will own them.
ian crossland
That's why the Americans don't want to fight.
unidentified
That's why people don't want to... I'm not speaking for everyone here.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's too much to lose.
Like a nuclear war would, I mean, yeah, the people in Somalia would lose stuff, but we would lose this.
tim pool
Look at the people who trespassed and are getting six months in prison.
libby emmons
Most of them were like bankrupt already.
A lot of these people had nothing.
And so I think Ashley Babbitt, for example, was like facing bankruptcy.
tim pool
So these are people, like Reyes said in Fast and Furious, who had nothing left to lose.
And so now they're saying, what they're doing to these people is a reminder, you still have something left to lose.
We will lock you up and torture you in solitary confinement for eight months.
Then you'll realize what you've got to lose and people are going to see that.
That's the message they're sending.
Give the people something to lose and you will own them.
ian crossland
It's messed up.
Did you see what, you know, Adam Kokesh?
Did you see what they did to him back a couple of few years ago?
He went to DC and protested with a shotgun and open carry and they were like, Well, that gives us, you know, what do they call it when they have a probable cause?
Yeah, probable cause to search your apartment.
So they went to his house and they found mushrooms in his apartment, threw him in prison.
libby emmons
For mushrooms?
ian crossland
Just devastated him.
And he came out a completely different person.
Like, he does not talk crap about the government anymore.
Terrifying, because he was a hardcore activist.
Ex-military.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
They just look for it.
They bring the hammer when they come.
tim pool
He doesn't do any anti-government stuff?
ian crossland
I shouldn't say any, but he's not the outspoken vocalist that he was in the early days, like screaming profanity-laced tirades about the military-industrial complex because of mushrooms.
libby emmons
We're gonna have a medical.
Did you see how the government wants to expand the federal reach into medical research?
ian crossland
That's awesome!
libby emmons
What?
tim pool
For mushrooms?
unidentified
For all of it, really.
libby emmons
This is part of Biden's infrastructure plan.
It's like billions of dollars to create more federal medical infrastructure.
So I don't like it either.
And the idea is that when we need vaccines, we would just have the government do it.
We wouldn't have to, you know, engage American industry in doing these things in a competitive way.
tim pool
I was talking to a friend and, uh, they were saying something to me like, this is kind of a lefty person.
They're like, I'm really scared about what's happening with these, these COVID numbers skyrocketing.
And I was like, I get it.
But I'm like, what, at what point do you just stop believing everything because of how much they've been wrong?
You know what I mean?
I'm not, not, not to say don't believe the numbers or anything.
I'm just like.
At a certain point, don't you throw up your arms in futility like, I've done everything they've said, nothing's changed, we got vaccinated, we wore two masks, it's all the same, and they just keep blaming other people.
And the response was like, but the government's really, really scared and that freaks me out.
And so it's like, I don't know.
I guess there's two ways you can go when you come to the futility of like, I just don't know anymore.
I'm broken mentally on this one.
I've seen too much reversions and back and forth.
I'm just like, you go do your thing.
I don't even know.
But then other people say, I give up.
Just tell me what to do.
I don't want to think anymore.
libby emmons
I think that is the point.
I think it's an intentional confusion.
So once we give up logic, we have nothing, and the regulations and the rules that are coming down to us don't make any cohesive sense.
They're not based on anything, right?
And so if you look to, for example, absurdist literature from Eastern Europe during the Cold War, If you look at, like, Kafka or if you look at Vaclav Havel, right, who was a brilliant playwright who ended up president of the Czech Republic randomly after the Velvet Revolution.
But you can see in this literature where these writers have discovered,
or they rather elucidate the way that communism worked in those nations,
where it's like they tell you one thing and then they do something else.
Like if you look at the trial, right, did you read Kafka's trial?
So I read this in high school and I had to convince them to let me read it, but whatever.
So this guy, K, ends up on trial and he can never get any real information as to what he's on trial for,
what it's about, who his solicitor is, what the punishments are going to be.
It's all just very confusing and it's very much like in Metamorphosis where he becomes the bug, right?
So the guy becomes, and this is probably easier to explain, but So he wakes up one morning, he's a cockroach.
He's horrified that he's a cockroach.
He doesn't know what to do about it.
He goes all through, how am I going to explain this?
What am I going to do?
I don't know.
As soon as he accepts the fact that he's a cockroach and nothing makes any sense and there's no way out of it, that's the end.
That's kind of the whole story.
tim pool
He's like, I'm going to go eat some garbage.
libby emmons
No, he just kind of dies.
He dies under his bed, I think.
tim pool
Well, that's brutal.
libby emmons
Well, yeah.
That's what this is.
If they confuse you enough, if they make you so confused that you stop questioning it because to question it itself is going to make you crazy.
That's sort of the end goal.
Because then you don't question.
Then you just do what you're told.
You just show up where you're supposed to show up.
You hand over what they tell you to hand over.
And in return, you get to what?
Like have a drink on Smith Street in Brooklyn.
tim pool
Watch The Simpsons.
ian crossland
Yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Watch The Simpsons and like jerk off.
Right?
You get to do that too.
I studied about the... They even gave everyone their OnlyFans back.
tim pool
They're like, we can't take that away.
It's distracting people.
libby emmons
It's too much.
ian crossland
I took this, I tweeted this thing out.
It's on my Twitter feed somewhere about the gamification of trust, sociological trust.
And what's happening according to this game theory study is that not that we've been overloaded with communication and that there's too much of it.
All this new information, you know, the red pilling and the war on terror and all that.
But it's that the amount of misinformation is causing people to distrust each other.
And then the cheaters, the ones that are willing to game that and work with the distrust, are proliferating as a result.
And if there's too much misinformation, cheaters will overwhelm the system.
And then you'll have a system of cheaters.
If there's not too much distrust or misinformation, then the people that are willing to kind of play the game are going to override the cheaters.
tim pool
There are some prominent leftist personalities who have always claimed to be anti-fascist, who are all of a sudden now making YouTube videos being like, why would anyone oppose government mandates on forced medical procedures?
And I'm like, it's so weird!
You know, for me, I've always been so in favor of freedoms, I've always been opposed to the coalescing of corporate power, that I find myself aligned with whoever at the time seems to oppose the coalescing of massive corporate and government power.
So it used to be the left, all of a sudden they're all pro-corporate power, and now it's the right!
I say it all the time, in a few years, you know, there will be a shift backwards and
the, you know, it's people like, like Jack Murphy, a really great example of somebody
who was a Democrat.
Now he's like Democrat to deplorable.
And I don't think it's that he's a Republican by party.
He's a Republican by, you know, who's willing to support more of his ideals.
And I feel that way.
So I have a feeling that a lot of people like us, who are maybe in the middle right now, leaning to one side or the other, will shift back and forth depending on which tribe wants to actually adopt freedom.
libby emmons
And who's actually willing to back our natural rights.
To what you were saying, Ian, about this misinformation thing, people aren't able to think critically, so they're not able to differentiate between what's supposedly misinformation and what's actually true or
anything like that and in part that's because we've completely destroyed our educational system.
So we've destroyed the canon, we've destroyed the literary canon, we've taken away Shakespeare
and Homer and you know all of this other stuff that used to tell us kind of a timeline of
this is a timeline of human thought about ideas, this is how you can you know track
truth, this is how you can understand things.
We've taken that all away, we've replaced it with stuff that we think is appropriate
to think about now and we've been left with a public that doesn't know how to think clearly
because we haven't given them any examples as to how to do so.
tim pool
I'd like to read a text message I received allegedly from the ACLU.
I have a series of text messages from a number from... I'm not going to say the number, but it's an ACLU number, supposedly, they say.
As schools start nationwide, Kimberly Crenshaw talks teaching the truth about race in America.
Check out our podcast.
Back to school merch that backs civil liberties.
Why did the ACLU text me saying that Kimberly Crenshaw is gonna, you know, have a podcast about back-to-school stuff?
She is, like, listen.
libby emmons
She created intersectionalism.
tim pool
Kimberly Crenshaw is as close as you can get to being a Nazi as you can in the modern era, in my opinion.
When I see the stupid people walking around with the symbols of the Nazi party or whatever, or like the bikers who do it because they're trying to be, you know, punk or edgy or anti-establishment, that's very different from someone who is overtly Identitarian, wanting government based on race, and is a proponent of fascistic ideologies, whether they assert them verbatim or not.
But the people who are like, I believe the government should have absolutely authority to do these things.
And also, I think the law should be based on race.
Okay, yeah, that's as close as you can get to what the Nazis were doing.
So when I see some of these prominent, you know, leftist YouTubers with over a million subs, and they're like, You know, these anti-vaxxers are saying that the vaccine mandates are bad and the government shouldn't be doing this, but people should just do what the government tells them.
I'm like, so you support race-based ideology, identitarianism.
libby emmons
So does the government.
tim pool
You support massive multinational pharmaceutical countries getting guaranteed no liability contracts, and you support the government forcing people to undergo medical procedures.
Yo, you're Nazis!
libby emmons
Yes.
tim pool
You're at the very least fascist.
can get to it. You're at the very least fascist. Yes. I'm gonna I'm just gonna go straight for violating Godwin's law
right away because because it's it's it's the look when someone's like you know you just want people to live the
way you want cuz you're a Nazi it's like well well hold on I personally think people should take care of their own
decisions and take care of themselves and their friends and their families so long as they're not hurting other people
it's It's the dominant left Democrat faction that are basically saying pro-corporate power, guaranteed contracts for massive, unaccountable pharmaceutical countries, and the government will mandate the Medicaid— Companies.
ian crossland
Pharmaceutical countries.
Twice you said that, dude.
Are you prophesying something?
I know we have theocracies.
tim pool
You see what's happening?
Because they're merging in my mind like I'm slipping.
Oh, Lord.
The other thing too is that- Listen, listen.
Massive multinational corporations say, here is the product, and these left establishment
people are going, yay, save us, big pharma.
And then the government says, and you have to buy their product.
And they go, yay, save us.
And I love it.
Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks said, do you think if the right-wingers came out and said seatbelts were tyranny, that they would all stop wearing them?
And I'm like, yo, libertarians do think forcing people to wear seatbelts is tyranny.
And you know what?
I remember this back in Illinois when they passed the law saying you have to wear a seatbelt, click it or ticket.
And what I was told, I'm not saying it's true because I was a kid at the time and it was just the scuttlebutt I heard from the adults, was yeah, the insurance companies were lobbying for seatbelt laws because it made sure their profits stayed the same because you have to have insurance, but it meant their payouts would go down because people were less likely to get injured.
And the politicians saw it as a safety issue, and the insurance companies saw it as a reducing their expenses issue.
So yes, it very much was in this Bloombergarian idea of the people are too stupid to live their own lives, so the nanny status tell them what they have to do.
And now we have, click it or ticket.
libby emmons
I hate the thing too where it's like, people are like, why don't you, you know, the vaccine is free, just get it.
And it's like, it's not, it's so obviously not free.
The Pfizer one is like 19.25 a shot.
The other ones are like 10 bucks or something like that.
It's like, my kid is going to be paying for all of this stuff.
What?
tim pool
They were doing free vaccines for a while, but I think that ended, didn't it?
libby emmons
No, I'm pretty sure it's still free.
You could get it free at the Rite Aid.
tim pool
Oh, I thought you were saying it wasn't free.
libby emmons
No, it is free, but it's not free.
I mean, it's not actually free.
The government is paying for it.
tim pool
Oh, right, right, right.
ian crossland
Our taxes are paying for it.
libby emmons
So we're paying for it.
And the administration is like sending out $250 a month to families who have kids for like every kid.
See, this is weird, but the thing too is like this booster shot thing, right?
So now booster shots every five months.
Yeah.
So we're just going to keep paying for that forever.
It's like they finally figured out a way to turn us all into lifelong medical patients.
They've been trying to do that for a while now, and here it is.
And so at a certain point, your vaccine passport is useless anyway, unless you re-up your dose.
tim pool
Here we go from Insider.
Business Insider.
Fauci says U.S.
still planning for COVID-19 booster after 8 months.
Biden said shots could be administered after 5.
libby emmons
I know some people who already got theirs and it hasn't been 8 months.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
There was a tweet I saw where they were like, well, now all the data's screwed up.
Because we had, like, the regimen, you know, two shots, and then we'll track what happens, and now people are getting more.
And, look, I say it all the time.
There's a report we also have.
Let me see if I can pull this up.
This is from TimCast.com.
Switzerland warns of potential terror attacks on vaccination sites.
The Swiss Federal Intelligence Service voiced its concern with the national newspaper of the weekend.
That is horrifying.
If people go to their trusted medical professional, do some research or whatever, make a decision for themselves, and that means they want to go get the vaccine, they should be allowed to do it.
Nobody should be stopping people from getting medicated, whatever that medication might be.
Because there are a lot of people who are like, you know, that particular antibiotic is bad for this reason.
It's like, dude, mind your own business.
And so when it comes to Fauci and Biden, another discussion around five months, they'll get a booster.
The problem is not, in my opinion, the vaccine.
The problem is the authoritarianism.
libby emmons
That is the problem with it.
I mean, I was vaccinated.
The problem is telling everybody what to do.
tim pool
And making, listen, I was talking to- Which is just not okay.
libby emmons
I mean, we get to have decisions to make for ourselves.
tim pool
Dude, I was talking to a lefty friend of mine and I said, you are supporting a massive, guaranteed, no liability contract for big pharma.
It's the opposite of universal healthcare.
And if this goes through, you will never see universal healthcare.
libby emmons
The other, no, that's interesting.
The other thing too is there have been, you know, anytime anyone tries to make a report about some concern with the vaccine, um, that gets squashed by social media instantly.
So there's no way to have a public conversation, uh, because everyone's already, everyone's opinions have already been bought and sold.
So you're not allowed to, The rules.
ian crossland
For instance here, Putin says no to vaccine mandates.
Have you guys confirmed this at all?
tim pool
I didn't see that.
ian crossland
Who's reporting on it?
Because I can't find any large organization reporting on this.
I've got welovetrump.com, coronanews123.wordpress.
Talk about authoritarianism, or the lack thereof, when the Russian premier has decided, president, as that's what he's called, they're not going to do mandates if that's real.
I think this all comes down, it hinges on do you think- Well, then they'd have to give it away anyway, so maybe that's part of it.
unidentified
What do you mean?
libby emmons
Well, they don't, they don't, probably they don't want to pay for all those vaccines for their entire population.
Maybe, I don't know.
unidentified
That's a good point.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Another, another reason.
But it just this entire thing hinges whether or not these people are Nazis, whether blah is like, what's the threat level of COVID?
tim pool
This story is actually pretty old.
I've got something from this is funny.
It didn't come up on Google, but it came up on DuckDuckGo.
Putin says Russia won't make COVID vaccines compulsory, but skepticism remains a problem.
It's from May 27.
I googled search and I couldn't find anything.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And then I went on DuckDuckGo and it popped right up.
ian crossland
OK, maybe it's maybe it's just a resurged article.
I know he got the vaccine.
tim pool
Or maybe he said something recently.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Isn't it crazy?
I saw a comment where somebody, I think it was on Reddit, where they were talking about how, you know, emigrating to the United States and wondering if now they actually want to go back, you know, to Russia.
libby emmons
Oh, that's interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, because of what's happening in the United States.
It's absolutely insane.
It is absolutely insane.
I hear these stories from friends where they're like, oh my friend texted me about being friends with you,
or someone will say something like, oh I got a text from a friend where they were like,
I can't believe you would be friends with this person or that person.
I can't believe you would watch this show or that show.
You know, or you watch Alex Jones.
Like, how could you watch or listen to Dave Rubin?
He's far right.
You know Tim Pool?
And I'm like, you know what this reminds me of?
Reminds me of being a kid and having people being like, I can't believe you turned away from the church.
I can't believe it.
What's happened to you?
And it's like this level of dogmatic faith.
And this emotional manipulation of messaging someone and saying these things.
I'm like, yo, these people aren't a cult.
libby emmons
Well, it's apostasy, right?
Because you've committed apostasy.
That's what it is.
tim pool
Here's the important thing.
When someone would join a cult back in the day, you could take them away from the cult and deprogram them.
But you had to get them away from the cult.
You can't do it anymore.
It's their phone.
It's everywhere.
It's linked into their minds.
libby emmons
Well, and now they're fed back that same algorithm.
So there's it's very hard to break away from that.
You have to go to DuckDuckGo.
ian crossland
Apparently, even then, when I searched Putin vaccine on DuckDuckGo, I got Putin gets coronavirus vaccine from March.
tim pool
Well, you search for the title like Putin says no vaccine mandate.
ian crossland
Yeah.
No, I mean, yeah, you're right.
I'm not an expert with searches.
tim pool
Search for the words.
ian crossland
Search for them!
tim pool
I will find them.
ian crossland
Give me the words, Tim.
tim pool
I just searched for, on doctor.go, Putin vaccine mandate.
And then a bunch of stories popped up.
Putin says no compulsory vaccines.
ian crossland
Yeah, rock.
tim pool
I mean, to be fair, Biden said no compulsory vaccines.
ian crossland
Oh, that's from RTU.
libby emmons
Well, but he lied.
tim pool
Well, I got CNBC right here.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
Well, the government isn't like the federal government isn't doing it.
Bill de Blasio is doing it at the city level.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And all these other cities.
San Jose is doing it.
libby emmons
Yeah.
And New Orleans and San Francisco.
And they're all doing this with the full backing of the federal government.
Biden goes out there and says that he wants everybody to do this.
He encourages big companies to.
I think it was just recently like the other day when the FDA approved the vaccine.
Was it like a week ago?
Yeah.
And he encouraged big companies to require all their employees to get vaccinated.
tim pool
This is another really weird thing that I've talked about before, but people keep emailing me claiming that the vaccine, the Pfizer vaccine, isn't FDA approved.
And they're using like, it's the weirdest thing, a twisted semantic argument that is not true.
libby emmons
Oh, is this, that's the like other drug that has a different name?
tim pool
community which is literally the exact same vaccine as per the FDA letter and so when Bannon was here he mentioned this and I was like I don't think that's true and I googled it I'm like it says right here it is the vaccine that is approved and then I got a bunch of emails like Bannon is right Tim take a look at this and there are a bunch of articles like you know patriot national dot you know info or whatever and it says something like take a look at this letter And so I read the FDA letter and it literally says the formulation is identical and interchangeable, but one is the marketing brand.
Either can be used because they're the same thing.
libby emmons
Yeah.
ian crossland
What he was saying, I thought, was that Pfizer has a bunch of different vaccines that it's working on and only one of them has been FDA approved.
That's the Comirnaty one.
So when people say the Pfizer vaccine is FDA approved, they're not being accurate because
tim pool
there's it's one of the Pfizer vaccines. There's one COVID-19 Pfizer vaccine. It is being marketed
as Comirnity. They are the same exact vaccine under just different names. The FDA letter says
it is commonly known as the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which will now be marketed as Comirnity.
They are interchangeable and an identical formulation. And so for some reason, people
are claiming, you know, they're actually two different ones.
I'm like, what do you, what?
ian crossland
Yeah, is Pfizer working on other COVID vaccines?
I don't know.
But I thought that's what Steve was saying.
tim pool
No, so people keep emailing me this thinking that there's some like underhanded scheme to like trick people into thinking that community is available, but it's not really.
That way they're not liable.
And it's like, no, no, no, no.
Just like, did you read it?
And so I just took a quote from the letter and it says like, these are identical, interchangeable and the same exact formulation.
And I email it back.
I'm like, I don't know why you thought that was true.
Did you read the letter?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But people, I think, I think it's because Well, a lot of people said, oh, you know, I'm not going to get it until it's FDA approved.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
And that was their, like, rationale.
And then once it got approved, they needed to maintain a rationale.
libby emmons
Well, then that was Biden's whole speech last week, was like, all you people who were waiting for it, now it is.
unidentified
I think just assert your- So everyone just get it.
tim pool
If you, if you really are like, you know, just, just say it, just publicly state how you feel about it and don't rely on semantic arguments.
libby emmons
Right.
And maybe if you don't want to get the vaccine or any medical treatment, then that's kind of up to you.
tim pool
That's up to you.
And I am not going to give people medical advice.
ian crossland
When it comes to like mandating it and whether those people are Nazis that want the government to mandate this.
Is like how dangerous is COVID?
That's what we have to ask.
Because when when people got polio and were getting paralyzed, they didn't say it was authoritarian Nazism to mandate a vaccine.
They just did it.
Well, maybe they did.
I wasn't around.
My dad got it.
He took it on the arm.
libby emmons
There were a lot of people who didn't want to get it.
And also the federal government at the time put out a few different statements saying, you know, As people get this vaccine, people are going to die.
It doesn't necessarily mean that it's from the vaccine.
People die anyway, and sometimes these things are going to be, you know, coincidental.
tim pool
The CDC says it very, very bluntly.
They've said it to me in a statement as I interviewed people.
I actually interviewed one of the highest guys at the CDC in like his full military uniform a few years ago.
And they said, we know there are side effects and adverse effects, we know that some people face problems, but percentage-wise, it is substantially better that people get vaccinated than not, even with the side effects.
Basically, they're saying the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the risk from the vaccine is substantially lower than the risk from not getting it for society as a whole.
So my thing is like, I'm very much for the individual.
I think you have to find someone you trust when it comes to medicine, a medical professional, and come to a personal decision that I'm not going to make for you.
libby emmons
I want to get sued.
That's even what you were saying, talking to that CDC official a few years ago.
That's even different than the messaging we're getting now, right?
ian crossland
No, I don't think so.
tim pool
I think it's on their website.
The CDC literally has it.
libby emmons
OK.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
But from the mainstream media, from social media, from like the way that that message is interpreted.
That sounds very reasonable, right?
The way that that message is interpreted is almost as though to say the American public is too stupid to figure
out what to do.
tim pool
Bloomberg literally said that.
libby emmons
Yeah. And so, you know, the way it's interpreted is that people are not trusted to make their own decisions.
That's the problem, right?
If that was what we hear all the time and people were like, oh, that's interesting.
I'm going to make my own decision.
I'm going to think about it.
But people are told not to think about it, to just do what they're told.
And that's the issue.
That is the problem.
tim pool
This is why I think we're all collapsing.
First, we got the failure of Afghanistan, the absolute chaos of the Biden administration.
Donald Trump was anti-elected, so people voted not for Biden, they voted against Trump.
But it's like to the most extreme degree I've ever seen in my life.
You have economic crisis, labor shortages, and you have no national unity.
And I don't mean just like obviously there's a culture war, I mean quite literally a crisis happens.
There's 15 days to slow the spread.
And then instantly, every single grifter of grifters comes out to make money.
The pharmaceutical companies want no bid guaranteed, no liability contracts.
The government just says, fine.
Then all of these local jurisdictions are like, I don't care.
I don't want to be held responsible.
So whatever that guy says, you do.
All that's happening is people are saying, I want nothing to do with you.
I want stuff for me.
Like I said, what we're seeing is the elites knowing that we hit an iceberg and they're stealing all the silverware and running to the safety boats before anyone realizes what's happening.
libby emmons
This was interesting, too, the other day.
So we have a mayoral election going on in New York City.
De Blasio is going to be out, which is great.
Eric Adams is the—he won the Democratic primary in June.
He was the Brooklyn Borough President.
He's relatively popular.
He was not the far-left candidate, so people were displeased that he won that primary.
But anyway, he's running against Curtis Lewa.
who was recently doing a like you know doing a campaign event that was interrupted by a homeless guy who was started like yelling about stuff and Sliwa went over to him he wasn't miked you know he just went over and started talking to the guy and being like oh you know talking to him like a human being which obviously he is what's your situation you know have you been are you supposed to be taking medication have you been hospitalized And the guy breaks down and says, you know, I don't want to be a burden to anybody.
I don't, you know, I don't want to do this to everybody.
And Slee was like, no, you're not.
Like, you're our responsibility.
tim pool
And then he asked him, do you want to stand here with us?
libby emmons
Do you want to stand here with us?
Yeah.
Now, the current administration, de Blasio, de Blasio's wife, Chirlane McRae, tweets out like, if you see homeless people, call the homelessness outreach line.
You had Bloomberg saying, you know, previously saying, if you see homeless people in need of help, you know, don't help them yourself.
Call somebody and call the homelessness outreach to go help them.
And I think this is part of it too.
We don't take any responsibility for our neighbors.
We don't take any care for the people around us.
We assume that there's always somebody else who's supposed to do that thing and that maybe we should let them know, hey, There's someone bleeding to death over here.
I'm gonna be late for coffee, you know, so I can't do it.
You deal with it.
And we see that all over the place in our culture where we are supposed to put our trust in the government.
We saw this with Obama and I think in a lot of ways this goes back to Obama.
Like Obama had this whole like video for Obamacare, right?
That was this woman And I think her name was Julie in the advertising.
And she was just all by herself.
And at every turn the government was there to help her.
Right down to a certain point she had a child and the government was there to help her.
She had a child.
There was still nobody else in the picture at that point.
There was still just her and the child.
There was no one else that she could be.
There was no father.
Right?
Is my point.
That's bad marketing.
It was weird marketing at the time.
And I remember looking at it being like, I don't want to have a baby with the government.
You know, I'm not up for that.
That's weird and creepy.
And that's where we landed.
I was recently again like Facebook with people that I've known for a long time or whatever.
And there was a woman who was saying that someone in California had come up with a lot of money for homelessness housing.
And she found this infuriating.
This was a private guy.
And she was like, you know, why?
Why do we need this private guy to come up with homelessness housing?
It's not his responsibility.
The government should be doing this.
And I was like, no, this guy should be doing it.
If he thinks that this is his responsibility to take care of people, then he should be doing it.
Obviously, we can't just have a government and say everybody just rely on the government and the government will come and interfere in every aspect of our lives.
We should want to take responsibility for each other.
We should want to care about our neighbors and be cared about.
Why do we not want that?
There was an old woman who died next door to me.
I had only met her two times and I felt so stupid that I had, you know, barely ever interacted with her and then her son shows up to clear out her apartment and he's like, do you want, you knew my mother and I was like, dude, I've, I met your mother twice.
Like, please don't give me her valuable things.
I don't, you know.
tim pool
Yeah, I'll give a shout-out.
libby emmons
I am garbage who lives next door to her.
tim pool
I'll give a shout-out to Luke's video we mentioned before.
It's called, I think it's called, like, Just Keep Going, You Got Nothing to Lose.
Luke Rikowski from We Are Change.
And it's this old video you made back like 10 years ago where he's like, you know, I take the train every day in New York and there's millions of people, but I noticed they never talk to each other.
So one day I decided to start talking to these people, and then he films and asks them questions that, you know, get kind of weird, like, do you trust the government?
But I think it's funny, and it makes a good, you know, emotional point anyway, that, like, people in New York City, they live around each other.
They're not neighbors.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Neighbor is the wrong word.
libby emmons
That is exactly the wrong word.
unidentified
Remember when Mr. Rogers would say, hello, neighbor.
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
That meant something.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's not good.
tim pool
Now it's like, you're not my neighbor.
Like, you live next to me and you yell too much.
libby emmons
Yeah, I've actually started trying to like talk to the people in my building now.
Ever since this woman died, I was like, that sucks.
And so I've tried to talk to people and they just kind of look at me, but I'm good.
I think I'm going to keep it up.
But there's this, there was a sign on the MTA, speaking of not talking to each other on the MTA with COVID, right?
So there were three options and the MTA let you know which one was the appropriate option.
The first option was two stick figures having a conversation with no masks looking animated having a conversation and it said not this.
The next one was people wearing masks having a conversation and it said not this.
And then the final one was two people looking down separately at books not looking at each other having no communication at all and the MTA was like this this is what we want you to do.
Don't talk to anybody.
Don't look at anybody.
Don't be near anybody.
Don't exist with other people.
Just live in your own literal bubble behind your face covering and go about your business.
tim pool
That's the brave new world we live in.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's what happens when you let the corporations take over, man.
Whether it's the city, the state, the corporate corporation, the centralized authority makes these stupid machine-like rules and restrictions on humans when we're not machines.
tim pool
I watch this movie, it's called, I think it's called 2149, where it's like people live in concrete pods their whole lives, and they just, all they do is play video games, and they interact without, just by typing, and that's like the world.
libby emmons
That's the E.M.
Forrester story also, The Machine Stops, did you ever read that?
ian crossland
No, what's that?
libby emmons
It's a free download, in fact, you can get it because it's out of, what do you call it, copyright, The Machine Stops.
unidentified
E.M.
libby emmons
Forrester wrote this book 19, I don't know, 1914, 1918, I don't know when it was, something like that.
And all of these people live underground in their own little studio apartments.
And whenever they need anything, they ask the machine for it.
And the machine will provide it, whether it's food or anything else.
Whenever they want to talk to each other, they all deliver lectures on basically telescreens.
It's basically the internet.
And that's how they talk to each other.
And they respond.
ian crossland
When was it written?
libby emmons
1909.
1909.
unidentified
Wow.
libby emmons
There you go.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Interesting.
libby emmons
Yeah, this is a fascinating story.
tim pool
So basically he predicted people sitting in their mom's basements.
libby emmons
Yes, yes.
tim pool
Playing Warcraft.
libby emmons
Yeah, and he predicted online dating as well.
Because the main character, this woman, I think her name's Vashti or something, so she lives in her little underground cubby.
She delivers lectures through telescreen, and most of her lectures, most of the things she delivers, she talks about, are responses to other people's lectures.
And at the beginning of the story, she talks about how she was listening to a symphony and there was a glitch in it.
And when she first recognized that, when she first heard the symphony with the glitch, she was very upset and she was, you know, wanted to complain about this glitch and now she wouldn't recognize the symphony without it.
unidentified
It's creepy.
libby emmons
It's very creepy and also she has a child but she had a child with a man who showed up.
They, you know, engaged, had a child and he left and she never saw him again.
So it's Tinder, it's Siri, it's like everything.
It's Amazon.
And then of course the machine breaks down and so all of the people eventually they start like pouring out of their cubbies and the little transport system doesn't work.
Um, and her son, who had contacted her, makes his way to the surface to breathe air for the first time.
And it's poison, and it kills him, and he dies, but he, you know.
unidentified
Nice!
libby emmons
Wow.
E.M.
Forrester is amazing.
That led me to read everything E.M.
Forrester ever wrote, and that's really the best thing.
I should have just stopped there.
tim pool
Well, how about we go to Super Chats?
Smash the like button.
Give it a gentle little tap.
Do it for Ian.
ian crossland
Just love it.
tim pool
Yeah, just do it for Ian, everybody.
ian crossland
You have to make love about it.
tim pool
And go to TimCast.com, become a member.
There's going to be a member segment coming up.
We usually post them around 11 or so p.m.
That will be for members, like I said, so make sure you subscribe to the channel and become a member over there.
Smash the like button.
Let's read some Super Chats.
Deplorable Pirate Captain Gunbeard says, according to a new study, kids aged 5 to 11 went from an obesity rate of 36% to 47% because of the lockdown in the U.S.
lydia smith
Saw that!
tim pool
That's really bad for people's health.
ian crossland
That's a lot.
tim pool
Jason D says, Tim, you got some interference on your show.
Yes.
I think it was because the microphone may have been rubbing against the power cable, which causes interference.
So the problem is it doesn't seem to be consistent.
It seems to be intermittent.
Uh, intermittent.
So I just moved the cables.
Hopefully that solves the problem, but we'll figure it out.
All right, let's see.
Jeffrey Pfaff says Iran still flies USF-5 1965 with heavy sanctions.
That is amazing.
Yikes.
libby emmons
I guess they know how to keep them up.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Moonlight Film says, why does the Biden pullout got to be worse than Tim Pool's internet connection?
That is not fair.
The interruptions we've had the past few times, the past couple of weeks, was on YouTube's end, not our end.
Our internet is working.
We have got this robust multi-network system with fail-safes, and the web was dropping out, not because of us.
We had a clean connection the whole way through.
All right, let's see.
Hayden says, random but I thought of something.
Let's see.
Hit IRS and Fed where it hurts by passing amendment where employers can't take taxes, Medicare, anything out of employee checks, forcing people to write a check to the IRS every year so it is more clear that return was their money already.
You see, that's the issue.
People get paid and their taxes are taken out instantly as a convenience, right?
No, it's so that they don't realize.
I remember when I first, like my second job, actually like my fourth or fifth job,
but like my first big corporate job.
And they were like, it's 10, 25 an hour.
So I was counting the hours.
And then I was like, okay, so I worked 40 hours, I should be getting about this much money.
Taxes will probably come out to this, so I think I'll get this, and I got half.
And then I remember looking at my check and I'm like, hold on a minute.
And they looked through it, they did the math, they're like, that's right.
And I'm like, yo, I'm poor.
I can't afford to get five bucks take home.
Like, what is this?
I saw it happen.
So I guess what I mean to say is, for a lot of middle class people, they don't realize.
At the end of the year, you're like, yo, I got a big refund.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And they high five.
And it's like, oh, so the money that was taken from you just found his way back.
That's great.
libby emmons
Yeah.
And then poor people see it.
The government earns the interest on your money and you don't get to earn it yourself.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
You can make a lot of money with that.
I bet they do.
libby emmons
I'm sure they do.
ian crossland
A lot of delinquencies when people would just get their full paycheck at the end of the year had to pay taxes and they were like, I wasn't planning for this.
libby emmons
Right.
Then there's this weird thing, too.
So the administration is giving out like money for kids.
Right.
So every child, every family, every kid, $250 a month.
And I'm wondering what's going to happen when it turns out that they've been sending $250 checks to a bunch of people who aren't actually eligible for that child, that like same kind of deduction or who owe money and that's going to be screwed up.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
There are a couple of superchats asking about this.
Paulo Ramirez says, sources are saying that about 200 military service dogs were released in the streets of Kabul.
I haven't heard that, but it would not surprise me.
ian crossland
I saw an image of a bunch of kennels.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
Yeah, it was pretty disturbing.
I couldn't cover it.
tim pool
Hard to fact check though.
Yeah, we gotta fact check that stuff.
It's hard.
Christopher says, I feel like at this point the Black Swan event is that Joe Biden messes up everything to such a degree that we are all united.
Uniting would truly be unpredictable.
I gotta say, man, right now under, you know, you've got a lot of populist leftists who are ragging on Joe Biden and the right ragging on Joe Biden.
And so now you have this creepy neocon establishment Democrat alliance, which has been, you know, been around for a while, but now they've lost a lot of the populist leftists.
So now it's starting to get funny when you see like the populace left being like, I'm going to buy guns and Biden is terrible.
And like, we were betrayed.
Everything we thought we were going to get, we didn't get.
And I love it when Biden was like, he didn't meet with Black Lives Matter or speak with them.
And they got really angry about it.
It's like, oh, you thought this guy was going to get you something?
libby emmons
Meanwhile, you did get everything that you thought you were going to get.
You got not Trump.
tim pool
Yeah, there you go.
Congratulations.
libby emmons
Well done.
tim pool
How's NotTrump doing for you?
libby emmons
It's doing, yeah.
There it is.
tim pool
Josh, oh my gosh, says, last year the song Sound of Silence covered by Disturbed was the song of the dang year.
My words fell on deaf ears like silent raindrops.
Dude, Ian, I want to sing with y'all.
I love to sing.
ian crossland
That would be awesome.
tim pool
I love the Sound of Silence, the electric version from Simon & Garfunkel.
It's a really great song.
You know, you listen to the lyrics, and I don't think it applies in any way, or for the most part, to today, but it kind of feels like it does, you know?
ian crossland
I don't know the lyrics.
I love that song.
That song is so good.
I was listening to Bridge Under Troubled Water yesterday, too.
tim pool
Yeah, like, a lot of it reminds me of Twitter.
libby emmons
Really?
Sound of silence room?
ian crossland
Sound of silence.
tim pool
Well, yeah, like the lyrics talking about, like, people not actually listening.
Praying to the neon god they made.
libby emmons
That's right.
ian crossland
You'll notice if you are completely silent, you'll hear the blood going poof, poof, poof in your head.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
Alright!
ian crossland
It's never truly silent.
lydia smith
It's true.
tim pool
Yeah, there's that room that's like the quietest room in the world.
Yeah, I wanna go there.
That apparently it's so quiet people can't stand it.
ian crossland
We gotta build something like that.
tim pool
It's a room where you like walk on a platform and the whole room is like it's like spikes all around So that sound is completely absorbed.
There's no echo.
I will tell you this I Created I had one little recording studio where I put sound foam everywhere And it, it's almost painful.
It's the weirdest experience.
Like you, there, there's like, it's, it's not like there's a loud echo where you can hear your words repeated back at you normally, but you truly understand sound reflection once you dampen the whole room.
And then it, it sounds like you're, it's weird.
It's a weird feeling.
Your words seem to have like no weight to them because they just disappear instantly.
lydia smith
Like cocooned.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's a creepy feeling.
libby emmons
That's like Vantablack with light.
It like sucks up 99% of the light.
tim pool
That would be a cool room to make.
ian crossland
A Vantablack sound absorption.
libby emmons
Have you seen Vantablack?
It just looks flat.
tim pool
Yeah, a black body.
It's just nothing.
They put a laser on it like a light.
libby emmons
It's like Anish Kapoor has used it for art projects.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, Vantablack sound absorption with like LED lights of different colors.
tim pool
That would be the craziest room ever.
We could make like a floating room where we do that.
libby emmons
It should be floating, yeah.
ian crossland
Like turns and spins.
libby emmons
It could be like on a gyroscope.
It'd be like a gyroscope.
tim pool
Well, I don't know about that because the sound absorption stuff are like pointed, you know?
libby emmons
Okay.
tim pool
But it would be like suspended by cables.
So then you'd go in and it would be two layers.
So the inside room is mounted on, you know, four corners and then there's a gap between the outer room which is suspended on cables.
Everything's Vantablack and then there's acoustic absorption around the whole thing.
So you walk in, you'll still touch.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
That's why with sensory deprivation tanks, you're floating.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
tim pool
So it's, you know.
libby emmons
It's like the water.
Yeah.
lydia smith
It's interesting.
ian crossland
Have you used one of those?
libby emmons
No, I have wanted to do a sensory deprivation thing, but I, I think I have trust issues.
Cause it's like, that's it.
How would you.
ian crossland
You just cry, lay there and cry and cry and cry.
That's pretty nice.
tim pool
All right.
Medicine.
Lynn says, Ian, I saw your federal, federal reserve video from 12 years ago.
Did you ever get the word out?
Like you said you wanted to.
ian crossland
Oh, I think I saw your comment.
Well, I'm getting the word out now.
Sometimes it takes a little while.
libby emmons
Oh yeah.
It's a slow burn.
tim pool
That's sort of my take.
Sleepy Joe.
libby emmons
I just think the experts aren't that smart.
I think we have totally misjudged them.
Think about it.
They all went to the best colleges, which we now know are garbage.
You know?
tim pool
Interesting.
Well, there you go.
to correct your timeline.
Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan before Taliban.
Taliban were the radicalized next generation that had been living in exile during the USSR war
and were returning when USSR left.
Interesting.
Well, there you go.
unidentified
All right, let's see.
tim pool
Kyle O'Brien says, I would trade Biden, his administration
and all the woke generals for just one of the service dogs we left behind.
Convention of states now, we can't be governed by corrupt cowards who hate us.
libby emmons
That's so sad.
ian crossland
I got a Daily Caller story.
Death sentence animal rights group goes after Biden administration for allegedly leaving service dogs behind.
That's from the Daily Caller.
libby emmons
The British took their service dogs home.
ian crossland
Wow.
lydia smith
Not as good as them, I guess.
libby emmons
They're mad at us for really good reasons.
lydia smith
We deserve it.
libby emmons
Yeah, apparently our special relationship's on the rocks.
tim pool
Musky Ferret says, so we left Afghans aircraft that they were not able to operate or maintain?
Also, we are there for their natural resources.
Nobody cares for freedom.
ian crossland
That is a based super chat.
tim pool
Yeah, a lot of poppy, right?
unidentified
Yeah, poppy seeds, which give you opium, which you can make heroin with.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
It was clearly to make lemon poppy seed muffins.
ian crossland
Clearly to reshoot The Wizard of Oz and the scene so she can land the poppies again.
tim pool
Is that what she did?
ian crossland
She laid in a big field of poppies and just like totally got drugged out.
unidentified
She falls asleep in the movie, but it's opium from the poppies.
libby emmons
So if the Taliban is now going to be making a whole bunch of heroin, and our southern border is wide open, are we about to have a massive... No, the Taliban bans all that stuff, I'm pretty sure.
Really?
Yeah, they like... But they'll sell it.
They'll export it.
They don't use it in the country.
They don't allow that, but they'll allow it to get out.
tim pool
I wouldn't be surprised.
lydia smith
Fun.
tim pool
Alright, Tinman says, I was enlisted in the Marine Corps, and if you lost your weapon during training and couldn't be found, they would literally close down the base until it was.
Then you'd get NJP'd.
They left... Yeah, they left $80 billion in weapons in Afghanistan at double standard much?
Oh, that's beyond a double standard, man.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's pretty bad.
unidentified
I love that your name is Tin Man, by the way, after that little Wizard of Oz shoutout.
tim pool
Daniel Morton says, Tim, what do you think would happen if the U.S.
pulled all of its troops out of South Korea in 1970?
What the U.S.
just did by pulling out of Afghanistan was the modern equivalent.
Troop presence is deterrence against aggression.
You know, I think there's similarities, but I don't think it's the same thing.
But there are similarities, and that's the big challenge.
Yeah, this is a moral conundrum.
I've brought it before because I'm actually happy that South Korea exists and is flourishing and is growing and things like that.
At the same time, I don't like the fact that the U.S.
gets involved in all these other people's business, and so...
It really is a challenge.
I think it's not so much about a principle like, I believe in free speech, but more so, where do you draw the line on free speech?
Because I can say I'm for free speech all day and night, and then be like, oh, but if someone incites violence, and then if you entertain the idea that the government can pass a law to say something isn't free speech because incitement to violence is bad, then someone says, okay, pass the law saying hate speech isn't free speech, and you're like, oh, okay, so maybe we're either for all free speech, even if, you know, whatever you say, Or we're okay with the government putting restrictions.
Therein lies the big challenge I think everybody butts into.
So, to answer your question, if the U.S.
pulled all of its ships out of South Korea, North Korea would have came in with the Soviets and taken over, and there would be no South Korea.
It would be, well, I don't know, is Vietnam... How's Vietnam doing?
I haven't looked into the politics of Vietnam.
libby emmons
They have a lot of contracts for manufacturing.
A lot of clothes and things are made there.
Similarly to Cambodia, actually, there was like a whole treaty with regard to that.
tim pool
Yeah.
So, I don't know.
It is very difficult, but I think we should not have entered Afghanistan in the first place.
ian crossland
Regarding free speech, obviously you can't go out on TV and command people to do violence, but if you're in your room alone and you say the most vile, illegal stuff, you're fine.
You're in your room alone.
If the government's spying on you and hears you in your room alone just saying stuff like you're reading a script, you know, and you're reading some crazy violent lines, whatever.
Maybe you're not reading a script.
It doesn't matter because you're alone and you're not inciting violence.
But it can be taken out of context.
tim pool
They'll arrest you.
ian crossland
If they're spying on you, it can be taken out of context.
tim pool
I had an idea for a joke with my friends because we were playing GTA a long time ago, like GTA 4.
And my one friend was yelling these really awful things, like, take it to the bridge!
Go to the bridge now!
And I'm like, yo, the things you're saying right now and telling us to do, like, if we're taken out of context... So I just imagine there's, like, some cops in a van, and they're listening, and they hear this guy being like, and then we're gonna take the car.
drive it underneath the bridge, et cetera, et cetera.
And then the cops are like, it's happening.
And they break it.
And it's like three fat dudes playing GTA, like what's happening?
Right, like all out of context.
ian crossland
They're going after phone records and things.
I mean, it's all that's out of context.
tim pool
Ray Gardner says, adding to Ian's point, then we should further assist Elon provide internet to the whole world through the mini satellites.
Side note, did you see the military dogs left in their kennels at the airport?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Internet, global internet.
That's a big part of it.
tim pool
Left a bunch of dogs in the airport.
ian crossland
I'm not putting anything past US government today.
libby emmons
Why would they, why would they do that?
tim pool
Ugh.
Elizabeth Carmella Comedian says, to add to all the bad news of the day, Lake Tahoe is currently burning down here in California.
I live about two hours away.
We've been inundated with smoke for weeks.
Everyone has been evacuated from there.
Please give a shout out to them and pray.
Yeah, sad to hear it.
I hope everybody's okay.
Natural disasters, man.
It's scary stuff.
libby emmons
It's interesting about that with Larry Elder, who's running against Gavin Newsom, has brought up the points about how a lot of these wildfires are due to poor forestry management.
lydia smith
Yes.
ian crossland
Yeah.
libby emmons
Which a friend of mine, Sashi McEntee, who was the mayor of Mill Valley, California, has also been saying that these wildfires are in large part because of that.
ian crossland
Yeah, PG&E runs a bunch of old, outdated power lines through the forest and they'll like, you know, debris and sticks and then one of the power lines will go out and set a forest fire.
lydia smith
But I feel like you should be able to run lines through a forest without having to worry about the forest being so poorly managed that you're going to set the whole state on fire should something go wrong.
Because I feel like lines are going to go down, right?
And then you shouldn't have to worry about California being so horribly mismanaged that you're gonna burn the whole state down.
ian crossland
I think they run power lines underground in some places on Earth.
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah.
libby emmons
Lots of places.
tim pool
New York.
ian crossland
This above-ground thing's weird.
tim pool
Yeah.
Listerable says, it's so strange to hear everyone talk about what POTUS does as if his mind was working.
That's a good point, to be honest.
Brendan Thompson says, Tim, I'm sick of you lying about my country, Australia.
We can- Brendan Thompson.
We can buy Foster's Lager here.
What did I say, Brandon?
ian crossland
Oh, it was Brandon.
I think you said Brandon.
I was just shouting out Brandon.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
You can buy Foster's.
libby emmons
What do you guys think of Jacinda Ardern?
ian crossland
I'm a little weirded out by her.
libby emmons
She's totally weird.
ian crossland
She seems kind of authoritative.
libby emmons
Really?
And she also had a thing after the Christchurch shooting.
She had a call, what she called the Christchurch call, to try and get all Western nations to censor internet speech.
ian crossland
That's crazy.
I was working at mines while that was going on and facilitating some of the boost admin stuff.
And people kept posting the video of the Christchurch shooter, first person video.
And then they'd like overlay the Doom console and it was like a video game, like how many people could shoot in the head.
So disturbing.
But, but I mean, it was very, it messed me up.
It changed me to see that over and over.
So I understand.
I understand censoring.
You know, you got to protecting the young mind.
That's like a, that's what this is all about.
I think the censorship thing.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Lucy Lurker says, Brandon Burns in Las Vegas is working to stage a protest on September 7th for a mass callout with a rally in Las Vegas and elsewhere, Freedom of Choice Rally.
He has a good take and would be a great guest to have on.
I googled searched vaccine mandate protest, and I'm pretty sure you can find every single city.
Like, just name a city.
It was like Roswell, New Mexico, Cedar Rapids, not Dubuque, but you know, Cedar Rapids.
And it was just like, I had a list of like 30 and I'm like, I can't even fit this in my browser.
So I had to get rid of some of them.
And I was like, I read that in my main segment, like protest, protest, protest, protest.
And it's a lot of healthcare workers too.
libby emmons
That's right.
There's a lot of nurses and stuff saying nah.
Which is interesting too, because we have such a huge nursing shortage and we're willing to just have a worse nursing shortage.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
This is it.
Hundreds gather in Santa Monica to protest.
Hundreds protest in New York.
Protests in Greece get violent.
This is mainstream.
This should be... Of course, you're not going to see it on CNN.
libby emmons
Yeah, you don't see it.
You don't see it unless something violent happens.
tim pool
And what flag did the guy in Santa Monica wave?
ian crossland
It looks like the LGBTQ... I don't know, it's purple.
tim pool
There's a photo.
ian crossland
Oh, he's got the Gadsden flag.
It's a rainbow Gadsden flag.
tim pool
I love it.
Absolutely.
Amen.
Rainbow flag with the Gadsden flag.
ian crossland
Oh, when it comes to my body, I call the shots and then it shows the shot.
tim pool
I love the Gadsden pride flag.
ian crossland
That's cool.
tim pool
Don't tread on me.
The Gadsden flag in many forms.
Have you ever seen, have you seen the Antifa total fascist one where it says, you know, we will tread and it's, it's a snake being squeezed by the fist.
libby emmons
I have not seen that.
It's not pretty.
tim pool
Yep.
And they march around with it's, it's, it's red and black, which is funny because like they're claiming to be anarchists who are going to force people who are libertarians.
Like what?
libby emmons
That's right.
tim pool
Yeah.
These people are creepy weirdos.
Anne Mack says Libby Emmons quote from the last show, New York artists have been co-opted by authoritarianism.
At this point it's propaganda.
Do exactly as you're told.
They create the type of work that they are told.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
No, you're going.
And so, where do you live, Libby?
unidentified
Dude.
Come on, you can do it.
ian crossland
Alright, let's see.
tim pool
Chaos Aeternum says, truckers join the fight.
Australia and US drivers are organizing to protest.
I am optimistic we will win this game of chicken.
Spread the word.
You guys rock.
Truckers.
unidentified
Nice.
libby emmons
Oh, there's a trucker shortage.
Have you guys seen that?
tim pool
That's why gas prices.
libby emmons
That's a disaster.
In the UK there's a huge problem too because most of the truckers are like 55 or older and they're not getting any new people in to the to the business and once we don't have anyone to deliver our crap to us like what are we gonna do?
We're not gonna have any stuff.
We're not gonna have any food.
tim pool
Cole Will says, Love Tim's nonstop reporting on current events, but we need solutions.
One is removing the need for fiat and central bank investing.
What is Ian's opinion on BlockFi and DeFi or Celsius Network and BTC after mining is over?
ian crossland
Well, BlockFi holds your crypto for you.
They'll pay you interest on it, but you don't actually have the money while they're holding it.
The other stuff, DeFi, what is that?
Decentralized... Finance?
Finance, yeah.
It's a whole movement called DeFi, and that's like the decentralized finance movement.
tim pool
And Bitcoin mining ends in like a hundred years or something?
ian crossland
I don't know.
Yeah, eventually.
And then it's going to be proof of stake as opposed to proof of work.
We're like, just the fact that you have the money allows you to get more money?
tim pool
I think they'll fork Bitcoin.
Something will happen, there'll be a vote, it'll fork into something slightly different, and then you'll get centralized takeover.
ian crossland
You asked a lot of questions about a lot of different things, but I agree with you that solutions and new technologies is where we're going.
And we're building new shows on the Timcast network about that specifically.
tim pool
That's why we have the Castcastle vlog rolling.
We're just about hitting daily videos.
The goal is To not just be always so negative, but you take a look at some of the prominent creators, like on YouTube, and where they've gone, and they're like legit pro-establishment shills.
Like, you don't even gotta think, you can just do what the government tells you to do, you know?
It's like, no, we're gonna make fun videos where we like, you know, ride around on motorcycles, and there's chickens, and you know, we race cars and jump over the roof, and then we're gonna have a Gadsden flag saying, think for yourself and live free.
ian crossland
I want to build a solar-powered water condenser on the property, if possible.
tim pool
They work more in the desert, though, so it might not be... Oh, it's so humid here, you'd fill up, you know, a hundred gallons an hour.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, we'd be like, Ian, what are you supposed to do with all this water you've condensed?
ian crossland
Drink it.
tim pool
That's a cool idea.
That's really easy to do.
Yeah, you just put it outside and, like, the water condenses.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'll show you the plan.
tim pool
Honestly, we could just do a standard water condenser where you do, like, a really big net with, like, the sheets.
Oh, those are great!
ian crossland
Those fog catchers?
tim pool
Yeah, exactly, and the water just drips down.
I mean, when we had a mini-ramp outside every morning, we'd get, like, two gallons of water on it.
And it was really annoying to have to go out and sweep it all off just from the humidity.
ian crossland
That would have been good vlog content, by the way.
tim pool
But I was thinking, like, what if we took the skate light material, which is a, it's a, it's a plastic wood, kind of like resin of some sort.
It's like a, no, it's like a resin wood chip mix.
And what if we just put those up and just funneled them down?
We'd, you get so much water every morning, it's insane.
So we, you don't even need solar powered.
ian crossland
Yeah, not here.
Those are for deserts, the solar ones.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
That's what I think our military should be doing is building water for people around the earth, wells and things like that.
tim pool
I mean, if we build these artificial water capture devices, we could probably reclaim desert.
Just bringing water into it.
ian crossland
At the very least, we can be like, yo, we're not the bad guys anymore.
tim pool
All right.
Let's see.
ButtGrubber says, Tim, the state of Washington is firing hundreds of employees in the state police alone of the vaccine mandate while taking away their retirement and unemployment benefits.
Look up Trooper LeMay on Jason Rant's podcast.
Yeah, I was talking to a friend and just like a normie.
And then I was just like, what they're doing with the vaccine mandates with no medical exemptions is nightmarish and like Nazi and Nazism.
And she was just like, that's not happening.
libby emmons
It is happening, yeah.
unidentified
What?
libby emmons
It's happening.
tim pool
Like, prove it.
I'm like, here's me doing the reporting and appearing on Fox News Primetime telling everybody that New York did this.
You know, it's like, you gotta just Google search, man.
libby emmons
That's a thing, too, where people don't want to see that the thing is happening that they don't want to have happening.
So they just assume that it's not because it's illogical.
lydia smith
It's like not checking your bank account balance because you don't want to be out of money.
libby emmons
Right.
That's a clever move.
lydia smith
It's a trick.
It doesn't work.
libby emmons
I'm going to try that one next time.
lydia smith
Try it next time.
tim pool
Neil Williams says Tim mentioning Electric Dreams is the equivalent of Joe Rogan mentioning DMT on the podcast.
I think Marvel references.
lydia smith
Star Trek, yeah.
tim pool
Well, Star Trek, it's been Stargate as of lately.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
But I mentioned Electric Dreams, I think, five times.
libby emmons
Did you watch Stargate?
I've never really gotten into it.
tim pool
I've missed a bunch.
I've probably seen like 150 episodes out of the 200 and something.
libby emmons
Should I like start at the beginning and watch it?
tim pool
It's really good.
Watch the movie.
ian crossland
Movie first?
Did you see the movie?
Movie is really good.
tim pool
The show starts off based on the movie, but it's different.
It's like there's plot points, different actors, but the plot is different.
Oh, you love Stargate.
I think it's so much better.
I don't want to spoil too much, but it is like a super old show.
Stargate starts off with like modern military, just, you know, like, oh, look, we got the Stargate to these other planets and these other galaxies.
And it ends with humans adopting all this crazy ass technology.
And now they have beaming, like they develop, well, they get technology from other races that they trade with.
And so it's cool to see humans go from kinetic weapons, just by luck having a Stargate that allows them to interact with more advanced technological species, to having warp capabilities, building the ships, going to war, and then becoming one of the dominant species in the galaxy.
It's pretty cool.
libby emmons
That's cool.
ian crossland
It's awesome.
James Spader.
You familiar with his work?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
He's the scientist in the movie.
libby emmons
No way.
ian crossland
He's so good.
My problem with the TV show was I felt like we were missing a James Spader Well, you're always missing James Spader when he's not around.
libby emmons
Yeah.
ian crossland
Shout out to James Spader.
libby emmons
I love him.
tim pool
All right.
Let's see what we got here.
Jonathan Aylmer says, Tim, ICU nurses at Sydney's Prince Alfred and St.
Vincent's hospitals are blowing the whistle that patients are being sedated to safely control them.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
I haven't heard any of that.
That sounds crazy, but it's true, though.
lydia smith
Okay, as a point of reference, too, sedation is a technique that is commonly used in hospitals to keep people from removing IVs, from injuring themselves, falling on the floor.
I used to sit with people who were being sedated to make sure they were still breathing, to make sure they weren't pulling IVs out and coming undone from their bondage equipment.
tim pool
This is an important one.
one. Finkenfarn says, Hey Tim and crew, how is the forensic analysis of the
Freedom Phone going? Keep up the good work. Your voices give hope around the
world. I think it's just better buying them. Yeah, we have the people who are
gonna, we know who's gonna be doing the analysis on them and now we just need
ian crossland
Okay, tomorrow I'm going to push that.
libby emmons
So you guys are checking those things out?
tim pool
Yeah, we want to, Ian's got like a list of like, he's got a crack team of tech whizzes, developers who are working on the Thetaverse project.
libby emmons
Okay.
ian crossland
We're ready to shred this thing and then integrate our software into it for future.
libby emmons
Cool.
ian crossland
Future mods are going to be great.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
So we'll get that, we'll get that shipped out ASAP tomorrow.
Alright.
unidentified
Let's see.
tim pool
So a lot of people are saying that I'm wrong about the FDA letter.
Hondo says, Tim, Pfizer says they are legally distinct.
I've read both letters, EUA and the BLA.
Until it's packaged with the legal disclaimer, two items can be identical and packaged differently.
Right, I'm just wondering what the argument is for a legal distinction and how is that relevant to saying that the vaccine isn't FDA approved when it's the exact same thing but you're arguing a brand, you know what I mean?
They're legally distinct, I get it.
Is it an issue of the emergency's authorization and like liability or something?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
They're the same exact vaccine.
Same exact vaccine, just one's got a different name.
ian crossland
I want to get to the bottom of this.
So apparently something's inaccurate?
tim pool
Well, I guess they're saying that there is the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and the Community vaccine, which are identical in every way, except they're legally distinct products by name.
ian crossland
I see.
And one of them got FDA approved.
The other one did not, but they're identical.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
I see.
tim pool
And they can be used interchangeably.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
tim pool
That's what the letter said.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
But I, so I don't.
ian crossland
So technically it's not FDA approved, but it can be used interchangeably with the one that is.
tim pool
I, but I think that's kind of semantics.
You know what I mean?
Like the FDA saying like this formulation, it's good to go.
ian crossland
It's weird that that happened.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Whatever.
I think, you know, as per usual, don't take medical advice from wackos on the internet.
We're just internet people talking to cameras, you know?
I'm not your lawyer.
I'm not your financial advisor.
ian crossland
I'm not your friend.
I'm not your foe.
I'm just kidding.
tim pool
Find your own lawyer.
libby emmons
Find your own doctor.
tim pool
Talk to them and get some advice.
I do think when it comes to all of this stuff, there's a few things I should say.
Legal advice is never really an issue on podcasts, I guess, but when people do legal shows.
But when it comes to finance and when it comes to medical stuff, get off the internet.
You know why?
We get superchats all the time from people saying like, Hey Tim, big fan of the show.
Just wanted to shout out the hard work you're doing and mention that, you know, BRN, crypto is the number one currency and everyone should... Okay, dude, I just made it.
I don't even know.
Like, no, dude.
People are always trying to do some kind of social media thing to, like, pump and dump.
Yeah, and the same thing is true, like, there's a lot of people who are posting things with confirmation bias or cultural issues.
Just make sure you talk to people you know and trust, because the internet is a crazy place full of crazy people.
That's why I'm like the vlog is so important the cast castle stuff because it's like really you're gonna see people who have the principles of freedom like like you know Andy's wearing a Rothbard shirt while he's skating but it's not a show about politics it's not like we're gonna be preaching to you about what you should it's just gonna be like inspiring you to be a better person have fun get some optimism making good news fun news you know the dog running around and the chickens are flapping and jumping and just you know.
ian crossland
Dude me and Carter were playing music earlier Carter Banks he's our he's our resident orchestrator.
tim pool
Yeah, new producer.
ian crossland
Magnificent musician.
Man, did it sound good.
tim pool
Cody McNutt says, I have a Gadsden Prides flag hat patch.
It really confuses people.
I love it.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
We'll do a couple more here.
The Survival Preppers say, the VAX mandate is a purge of those who don't align with the promoted narrative.
Hundreds and thousands of people are going to be fired.
Who will they be replaced by?
If you're not prepping already, it's a good time to get started.
Thanks, Tim and crew.
Do you guys see this thing on Facebook?
Where it's like, somebody posted something about canning?
Like making jam and beans and then putting it in a can?
That's insane.
Facebook has like a warning.
I haven't confirmed it, but people have tweeted out saying, does it feel like someone is becoming too prepared?
Notify, you know, look for the signs of extremism.
That's insane.
I saw a couple different posts.
I haven't confirmed it.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
But we all saw the thing on Facebook where it was like, you may have been exposed to extremist content.
That's hysterical.
My favorite was the meme of the shifty-eyed guy going like this.
And it said, when all of your friends get notifications about extremist content, but you don't.
libby emmons
It's you!
tim pool
You're doing it!
Alright, let's see.
Riley Anderson says, hey Tim, fellow Beanie Guy here.
Can you explain why you consider yourself left-wing libertarian, and more importantly, where you disagree with modern Republicans that classifies you left-libertarian?
Well, Republican doesn't necessarily mean libertarian or whatever.
Republicans tend to be, like, I would say, overwhelmingly moderate conservative, leaning towards, um...
What's the right way to put it?
Classically liberal, not colloquially liberal, like the actual true meaning of liberal, as opposed to libertarian.
But left libertarian is basically like hippies living on a farm.
Where I disagree with Republicans is probably on like, I'm less free market capitalism than many Republicans, I'm in favor of social programs.
The problem I always mention though is that idealistically it's really easy to be like, We should all cooperate and have certain system in place that have certain guarantees like I love the fact that the fire department exists.
I love firefighters.
They're fantastic.
I like the idea of the armed forces and these things are you, you, you, you, you, you know, it's a government service.
It's a guarantee and I think there's good reasons to have them.
So the issue is basically like on the left and right scale of the political compass, the right is where you start getting into more and more free market capitalism and the left is where you get more and more into, what's the right way to put it, cooperative systems.
So it's hard to actually break down.
But the simplest way to explain it is Left Libertarian would be like 10 hippies living on a farm or a small tribe of 30 people that come to agreements.
A family.
I think Jack Murphy mentioned this.
A family is communist.
There's a guy who's the father and the mother.
They're in charge.
They control things.
They delegate responsibilities.
The children just have to do what they're told, what they're provided for.
And that makes sense at a really small level.
So Left Libertarian is like, hey, I'm not going to tell you what to do, but if you want to come hang out, pitch in around the house, we got pizza, we got beers.
It doesn't work when you go into multiple cities, because now one city is like, that's not fair that we do this work and you get that, and then you start needing better systems of economics.
So the way I usually say it is, idealistically, I'm left libertarian.
Realistically, I'm like socially liberal.
So I'm like centrist, you know, slightly left leaning on some policies.
I'd love for there to be universal health care within this system.
I don't know if this system is free of corruption to the point where we could actually have it, so.
I'll leave it at that.
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