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Timcast IRL - China Vows To DESTROY US Troops In Taiwan, Take Island w/Posobiec & Forrest Cooper
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tim pool
In what China is describing as a security leak, accidentally put out on Twitter, Senator
John Cornyn claimed the US.
has 30,000 troops in Taiwan.
That is, well, according to Newsweek and other fact checkers and probably most people, not true.
The U.S.
doesn't have 30,000 troops stationed in Taiwan.
But certainly people in Chinese media and pro-Chinese Communist Party are acting like, oh, oh, they've accidentally revealed that they've invaded Chinese space.
OK, well, this may have been Senator Cornyn slipping on a banana peel and accidentally starting World War Three, because China says that would be a declaration of war.
They would invoke the Secession Act and immediately invade and destroy U.S.
forces if they were in Taiwan.
Yikes, man.
At a time when there's chaos in Afghanistan, and the U.S.
is looking particularly weak, and then this happens, well, this happened probably because China's taking advantage of the fact that we look weak.
They've also issued a statement through their state media that, to Taiwan, when they invade to reunify with military force, the U.S.
will not be there to protect them.
So we're going to get into other stuff.
We'll talk about Afghanistan.
We'll talk about what's going on with this international conflict because we got a couple of vets here who can help us get into it.
But we also got news about New York.
We got really interesting news that following these stories, Palantir...
announced that they're going to be investing 50 million dollars in gold in case of a potential black swan event.
So when there's a company that does like data analysis and their name is effectively like a fantasy is based on a fantasy seeing stone and then they're like there's gonna be a black swan event maybe so we're buying a bunch of gold and our clients can now pay us in gold I'm kind of like What did they just see in their data?
So, I don't know, maybe I want to buy some gold.
But we'll get into all this stuff.
We're hanging out with a couple people.
We got Jack Posobiec.
jack posobiec
Hey, hey, ladies and gentlemen.
We just broke the news earlier tonight that Joe Biden is going to be heading back to Wilmington tomorrow.
The FAA has confirmed this on their website.
What I was being told was that he is not getting good sleep in the White House, doesn't like it there, prefers to sleep at home.
Joe Biden, if you really want a good night's sleep.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Don't do it.
ian crossland
Give it to him, Jack.
unidentified
What you really need.
tim pool
You really can't.
jack posobiec
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And Mr. President, you will get the best night's sleep in the whole wide world.
But no, so that that was something that I was actually told earlier today.
I tweeted it out and then the FAA put it up on their website that he isn't even putting in on this week of all weeks.
He's not putting in a full week of work that he is heading back to Wilmington.
And he's gonna be having a long weekend there.
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, Trump had a lot of long weekends in Mar-a-Lago.
He called it the Winter White House, you know.
But I think now's not the time for a vacation.
I can put it that.
You know, for all the criticism we can make about past administrations, let's just stick to it.
Joe Biden, please work, I guess.
jack posobiec
I mean, it's not.
I mean, that's something a lot of people were, you know, wanted to politicize it.
But, you know, oh, what about you and golfing, et cetera, et cetera.
But it's like, You're the guy who's there now.
That picture that came out, you know, it wasn't even the situation, it was Camp David and he's just surrounded by nothing, right?
He's just sitting there in a room by himself.
I don't exactly think that inspired confidence.
tim pool
I don't know, and people are questioning the...
jack posobiec
The amount of chaos in the White House right now, the lines of communication, by the way, between the White House, the Pentagon, the State Department, it's completely frayed at this point.
tim pool
Yeah, you had a source, you were tweeting about this.
Let's get into that.
jack posobiec
We'll talk about it.
And I've actually saved some stuff for just for this show.
forrest cooper
All right.
lydia smith
Perfect.
tim pool
We got Forrest hanging out.
forrest cooper
Yeah, so I don't have like a MyPillow ad.
unidentified
Thank you.
jack posobiec
You can just do mine again.
forrest cooper
I can do yours again.
Quick, get him in the pillow!
Don't hit me with it.
So no, my name is Forrest Cooper.
I'm the digital newsroom editor for Recoil Magazine and we are a firearms and firearms culture publication.
We also cover, we've got off-grid, concealment, Recoil and then we also have carnivore which is for high-end hunting and so I am I represent the digital side and something that you're gonna find out about us is The broad majority of our editorial board.
We're all veterans.
So my military experience is 3rd Ranger Battalion I was a team leader there and so I I got to see Afghanistan pretty close You were trying to teach some of these guys weren't you?
There were definitely times where many different groups within the military had the opportunity to teach different levels of the Afghan people.
And yes, there was a time where I was actually trying to teach the Afghan Special Forces.
That'll be interesting to talk about.
jack posobiec
Rangers lead the way!
forrest cooper
Yeah, thank you.
And I am intimately familiar with the city of Kabul.
lydia smith
Perfect.
tim pool
Right on, right on.
ian crossland
It's interesting you phrased it.
The time you spent there you were trying to teach the people.
forrest cooper
Measures of success.
ian crossland
What was that like?
Let's find out.
forrest cooper
We'll get into that in a bit.
tim pool
We got Lady President buttons.
lydia smith
I am in the corner pushing buttons as always.
I'm very excited about this because we got the expert on China, we got the expert on Afghanistan, we got the Navy and the Army representing.
I'm stoked.
It's gonna be a great show.
Thanks for tuning in.
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tim pool
Well, let's talk about China.
All right, we're gonna talk about China because I really want to talk about Afghanistan.
But the big news is what the ripple of Afghanistan means for the rest of us.
Because of the failure in the withdrawal from Afghanistan, I mean, it's absolute chaos.
They're trying to make it seem like it's not good.
It's not good.
China is taking advantage.
And we have this article from the Fake News Global Times.
It's China's mouthpiece.
So it seems that Senator John Cornyn just didn't know what he was talking about.
Taiwan Island equal to declaring war on China if it's true.
Tweet deleted after wide controversy.
So it seems that Senator John Cornyn just didn't know what he was talking about. The Taiwan number,
that there's 30,000 troops there, apparently it's an old number going back to the 70s or whatever.
But China's not acting like it was just a dumb tweet from someone who wasn't paying attention.
They're trying to make it seem like he revealed the information.
unidentified
Look at this.
tim pool
They say, some others believe the news leaked by the U.S.
Senator cannot be true because 30,000 is not some small amount the U.S.
Army could hide and not being noticed on the island.
And the U.S.
has nothing to gain by stationing the U.S.
Army in the island.
Sacrificing its own interests to satisfy Taiwan separatists also does not fit with U.S.
foreign policy, just like the U.S.
did in Afghanistan.
Talk about getting smacked around quite a bit by China right now.
jack posobiec
Ouch!
Yeah, I mean, you don't usually see the CCP's and their mouthpieces being so publicly, um, I would just say, you know, trading barbs back and forth, especially in with, you know, kind of operating within the news cycle as we are right now.
So this is definitely something new for the CCP.
This is not something that you even four years ago, five years ago, you would see them doing.
Only it's because now, and I think with Xi Jinping and his new thrust for a more aggressive China on the world stage, a more, you know, we're not going to be this.
We don't want to be viewed as a third world country anymore.
So for years and years and years, we were told China is still developing.
China is still, you know, we're bringing our people out of poverty.
We need all these programs.
But then if you just look, I believe yesterday, the Financial Times actually had the story up that BlackRock came out and said that they want to increase their investors' exposure to China.
They want people tripling their investments in China.
That's BlackRock.
And they said they have sort of like an internal think tank there.
They call it the BlackRock Investment Institute.
And they said, we don't view China as a developing country anymore.
They are a fully developed nation, and we should treat them the same way as we treat everyone else.
They are an engine that is growing.
They are the future.
That's essentially what BlackRock is saying, right?
And now China, they are now using this opportunity as a way to shrug their shoulders off of sort of what Tony Blinken or Joe Biden might call the international rules-based order.
Think about how long it's been that China's been effectively just telling us to shove it.
everything else and they're saying we are not going to be pushed around by you anymore.
We're going to push back.
tim pool
Think about how long it's been that China's been effectively just telling us to shove
it where they know that man no matter what the U.S.
says, it's always a finger wag.
So they're dumping all this pollution, they're producing massive amounts of carbon, while the rest of the world is like, hey, we're gonna stop.
Hey, we've got these protocols, we're all gonna agree to, and China's like, nah, no thanks.
Or they say they will, and then they start building more coal power plants.
You've got really dumb leadership in the West, where they're like, it's okay, guys, China said they're on board with our programs, and then China's just laughing, like, why would we ever actually do what we said?
And it's been happening for a really, really long time.
forrest cooper
That's a really good description, especially if you're going to go into Afghanistan later.
But starting with China, like, as a country, they take themselves seriously.
tim pool
Yeah.
forrest cooper
There's another thing that China has that America doesn't have right now is that America is going through some sort of identity crisis where it can't figure out whether itself should exist anymore.
I mean, it's going through internal mayhem.
Why else wouldn't China move?
If you're thinking about yourself as two players on a chessboard and you're watching your opponent run into dismay, if not aiding it somehow, or at least Prodding it along.
You could say that one way or another.
You could ask questions of international influence and terrorism and you could go all down those roads.
But instead of just accusing China of participating in domestic terrorism, within the world stage, they will make an agreement that they know they won't follow because they don't respect you as an interlocutor.
jack posobiec
Right, so what essentially you're talking about is this idea that, you know, I don't think China... China knows that it's not into their best interest to get into a shooting war with the US, right?
A kinetic warfare is not something that would be really beneficial for either side, and so...
That what is the most effective tool of their international foreign policy for their interests is what you would call strategic neutralization.
Get the U.S.
so upset, so divided, so screaming at each other, so tied up in chasing its own tail in internal domestic tensions, That we are unable to make a stand on the world stage.
And we said that I came on here and said that for a year on this show, and I've said it elsewhere.
And then you look at Afghanistan, see, we're so busy.
And I mean, it's almost a cliche right now.
But you've got General Milley talking about white rage, and we need to focus on critical race theory, etc, etc.
And then meanwhile, it's like you can't even conduct a basic evacuation operation.
of your own or not even before that I'm getting ahead of myself. You can't even conduct a safe
withdrawal of your own forces, right? You didn't know that alone that you attacked, which then set
up right. This was supposed to be withdrawal. This wasn't supposed to be an evacuation operation.
It's only be we're only talking about evacuation because it was a failure. So for China, this is
exactly what they want. Now they get to backfill us in Afghanistan. Now they get to go after the
rare earth minerals.
Now they get to buy up all that stuff.
Of course, they're making a deal with with the Taliban.
However, and this is my assessment, I've thrown it out there.
I'll say it again tonight.
But I think that you will see Taliban attacking China's One Belt One Road infrastructure within or you know, Maybe not specifically Taliban, but other extremist elements over there within five years.
That's just the history of the region.
That's the history of the peoples of that region.
You do not see occupying nations occupying forces doing well in that part of the world.
forrest cooper
And there's a lot a lot of history behind it. I have a kind of a caveat.
Unless China does manifest the oppressor oppressed narrative within the
Afghan people and say...
I don't know about that. It's not hard. You can like when we were on the ground we
experienced that with the locals. Oh you're not the Americans you're
the oppressors. Okay so... Oh that's what they said.
Of course.
No, no, it's already there.
The language is already invested in the system, and they already have the easy example of, well, America's the big bad.
Why wouldn't China motivate that cultural aspect?
Remember, the current CCP was created by Mao.
Maoist China was This idea of manifesting the political disdain of the people for their own government.
Now you just use China doing that on the world stage, manifesting countries or pseudo countries against ambiguous ideas like the West, like rule of law, like America.
I would not be surprised.
jack posobiec
I think it buys them a couple years.
I think they can get a couple years out of using that very narrative.
And as well, going with the Taliban and saying, I don't think they've officially recognized the Taliban.
And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe anyone has officially recognized them yet.
China has come the closest.
But even then, I think it's something more, they said, like, we acknowledge the will of the Afghan people rather than we recognize the Taliban as legitimate government.
So, I think it buys them a couple years.
Obviously, it's in their best interest, Taliban's interest, to receive if they can get any kind of deals with China, if they can get banking, if they can get all this.
Because, of course, you're seeing a lot of the international community trying to shut down any aspect of the Taliban getting into the finances of the government of Afghanistan, being able to use any of this stuff.
And so, for China, it creates this sort of wellspring for them of having That ability to not have to use the international system because they can just go through China.
So China's, as you say, they're trying to set themselves up as we are the benefactor to go against the big bad of the West.
And I do think that'll buy them some time.
But there's just 2000 years of history of Afghanistan being a graveyard of empires.
tim pool
Not to mention, if they're going to try and make it seem like, oh, the West is bad, they're the real enemies.
They're also trying to make the world think that we've lost our power.
Their attitude is the U.S.
is fading.
The empire is collapsing.
We're the big bad.
We're next.
So I don't know if they would want to convey that message simultaneously while they're trying to convince everyone the U.S.
is failing.
forrest cooper
Robert Tabor, the classic War of the Flea.
I'm not an expert on his work alone, but the introductory paragraphs are, insurgency is prolonged political warfare, creating the spirit of revolution which runs on the idea that it could happen.
Right.
So you don't so so Afghanistan or China does not endorse the Taliban.
They endorse the Afghan caliphate.
tim pool
Right.
forrest cooper
Which is the Chinese puppet of what that attaches themselves to movements like the Nation of Islam then enters Western countries and uses that as a backdoor road into pushing more disdain for Western values.
jack posobiec
And then the real question, though, is what happens if, and they are talking about setting up an Islamic Republic, or I believe the Islamic Emirate, I think is the official name.
It's not the Republic, no.
The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.
So how do you have an Islamic Emirate, but when right across your border with China is what region of China?
Xinjiang.
Xinjiang, which is, I think, three times that one province.
three times the size of Afghanistan.
Nowhere near as populated as Afghanistan, but it's massively bigger than Afghanistan.
And you have 1 million Uyghur Muslims, also Sunni, by the way, who are kept in concentration camps by your same benefactor.
Essentially, once you see these narrative conflicts, these contradictions, I think, are what will eventually cause problems in this relationship.
Because China is going to say, well, we're here to help you.
OK, but what about our, you know, our friends, our brothers that are within your land that you are oppressing so that you can build your pipelines across Pakistan?
tim pool
You know, I've heard some stories about what China is doing, and I kind of feel like the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan would not mind.
So I don't know if you if you've heard these stories that when they harvest organs from the Uyghurs, they can then sell them to Arabic nations who need organ transplants that are halal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know if that's true, if you've heard anything like that.
jack posobiec
I've heard rumors.
So, essentially what I'm saying, though, is that you will still end up getting breakaway groups, right?
You're still going to end up getting a group there, and this is the nature of radical Islam, is that you will have a group that says, how dare we be in bed with these guys?
How dare we go along with this?
They are atheists.
They are communists.
They are from the same stripe as the Soviet Union when they tried to impose communists on us.
Now you're trying to get in bed with the new communists who oppress our people.
And that's where you're going to get this friction.
tim pool
Do you think with these threats coming from China, not only for the military force against Taiwan, but also to crush U.S.
troops, assuming there are any there.
I think we have like 20.
There's like, you know, 20 military personnel who are in Taiwan for some like training exercises.
Do you think this leads to war?
jack posobiec
Um, look, I you know, I'm sort of like the proverbial, I don't think we're going to go to a shooting war with Taiwan anytime soon over Taiwan anytime soon.
That being said, it's possible, right?
I don't think it's in China's best interest.
I don't think it's in our best interests.
Again, remember the plan, right?
The we the axis of the elites between the CCP and the 1% in the West.
We want you to become the consumer nation.
They want the West to be the consumers of the world.
Our inflated consumer values, our dollars, we want you to buy our TVs, we want you to buy our iPhones, everything that's made in China, you are to consume that and be happy.
Remember, right?
You'll own nothing and you'll be happy.
unidentified
Yeah, but that burst at some point.
jack posobiec
But it's still to your interest to continue it going for as long as possible.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
And then if we can, if we can condition down your to your point, if we can condition down
your national will your national identity, if you don't feel as strongly as being able to stand up
for your allies, you then eventually you'll get to the point to say, well, why would we go to war
over Taiwan, right?
Who cares about this thing?
And then so for China's perspective, again, it's it's similar to the to the Taliban, in a sense, there's that phrase that's been going around this week, you know, you have the watches, but we have the time, right?
So it was 100 years for Hong Kong, and they 1897 to 1997, right?
And that handover of Taiwan is seen, by the way, as the end of the British Empire.
Many people see that as the end of the British Empire, as the symbolic act that, okay, we are no longer this international empire.
tim pool
What about Macau?
That's Chinese?
jack posobiec
Yeah, I think Macau was 99.
So that was that was Portugal.
So that was about two years later.
But Hong Kong, of course, was the big one, though.
If you actually look at it in terms of local revenue, I believe Macau is actually ahead.
I know they're way above Las Vegas in terms of gambling revenue.
That is the gambling center of the world right now is Macau.
tim pool
Really?
jack posobiec
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. 100%.
And and so and you better believe that a lot of the companies from Vegas are all still operating in Macau, which means they're all tied in with CCP as well.
And so you've got a situation where, you know, to the CCP's perspective, they want to assimilate Taiwan through osmosis.
The strategy has been isolate.
Isolate them throughout the world, cut off their trade, cut off their finances, right?
So if you land, I've been, you know, I've been in Taiwan, I've been on both sides of the Taiwan Strait, actually, and, you know, looked across, you can't see it, but, you know, and so when you land in the Taipei airport, you know, usually when you land somewhere, there's, you see, what's the first thing you see is advertisements, right?
You see advertisements, usually banks or some kind of real estate or something like that.
In the Taipei airport, there's none of that, right?
There's just a couple pictures up of Taiwan from like the local, you know, Ministry of Tourism, and that's it.
So there aren't those huge international brands playing in Taiwan the way that you'd see everywhere else.
And why is that?
That's because of economic isolationism.
That's Beijing going around telling everybody, you don't do business with this island because we want their only economic, social, and cultural vector to be through us.
And if you want access to our markets, if you want access to be able to sell, if you want all the deals that we can offer you, right, you have to cut off Taiwan.
That is the price you have to pay.
And that's why, if you go back to the 1970s, that is why The US government recognized the government of Beijing for the first time for all those years throughout the Cold War.
We didn't recognize them.
And it was Carter who eventually switched that over, which then had the after effect of changing the seat at the United Nations, which was controlled by Taiwan, the Republic of China, which was and is the legitimate government of China prior to the CCP.
Then that seat at the UN Security Council went to Communist China.
tim pool
So, what's a Black Swan event?
Field that question.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I'll jump into this one.
The title of the Black Swan event is most often attributed to Nicholas Nassim Taleb.
Now, he is both an economist, he's a professor, he's an author, he's kind of one of those autophages, he's accomplished many things.
But he wrote a book called The Black Swan, and the idea of a black swan event is something, it is a large event, a large catastrophic, or a large event of very effective proportions, whatever, that either A, could not have been predicted, or B, if it would have been predicted, it wouldn't have happened and therefore would never have been noticed.
And so he, when he opens up, I think it's when he opens up his book, The Black Swan, he's using the example of 9-11.
So if a person had, if anybody in the airports had said, it's strange that these people have these items and just simply taken them.
Then there would have been no 9-11.
tim pool
Interesting.
forrest cooper
Right?
No one would have been better than I. And no one would have heard.
They wouldn't have been promoted.
They wouldn't have been made into generals or heroes.
It was just like all of these little things had to happen in a row where it ended up in a catastrophe that no one predicted.
jack posobiec
It's a cascading failure.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
I'm not going to use the word cascading failure because I'm not going to be specific on that one.
jack posobiec
But you might be correct in the sense of that one where Well, there's that story of, um, it's a Jose Melendez Perez was the, was the one TSA agent, um, who had been, I think it was, um, he was a Puerto Rican, uh, served in, I think Vietnam.
And he was the one who stopped, um, Oh, what's the guy?
Muhammad Al-Qahtani, who was supposedly the 20th hijacker, um, in, from coming through in Florida.
And because he just ended, I always remember the story because it was like, He just seemed, he just says that he seemed off to me, right?
This guy got put in secondary screening.
And, you know, because he didn't, he wasn't able to answer the questions when you come in, you know, Hey, where are you going?
How long are you staying?
When are you flying back?
Didn't have good answers to the questions gets put into secondary screening.
And then Jose Melendez Perez goes to see him and says, Look, this, this guy's got military training, I can see he's got like a military bearing to him.
And you know, like, you kind of know, if you've been in the military, like, hey, this guy's got, you know, and something seems off, his story seems off, he doesn't have a return ticket.
And then they pulled him aside.
And they said, Hey, man, these, these, this guy's a Saudi, you got to be, you know, got to be PC, you got to be careful.
And Melendez Perez says, I don't care.
I, this guy, Everything that I'm supposed to do says this guy shouldn't be allowed into the United States, so I'm going to send him home.
And he did send him home, and he was supposed to be the muscle man for United 93.
So that's why United 93 only had four hijackers as opposed to the others that had five.
And he was supposed to be the one that was doing crowd control for the passengers as the other guys flew.
And then what Melendez Perez didn't know was that waiting to pick up Muhammad Al-Qahtani in the parking lot of the airport in Florida was Muhammad Atta, who was the lead hijacker.
Because one guy just did what he was supposed to do, just did his job.
tim pool
So here's what I ask from the New York Post.
Palantir buys $50 million worth of gold bars to counter Black Swan event.
jack posobiec
Oh boy.
tim pool
Yeah.
So what does Palantir do?
jack posobiec
So Palantir is, I mean, they're like a database of databases, if that makes sense, right?
So they are a software which allows for database integration.
And, you know, think of, you know, and I know this from, you know, the Intel community using it.
And that's where I was able to get my fingers on the Palantir system.
But you could, you really use it for any big, any large data set.
I know Wall Street's starting to use it more.
Pharmaceutical companies are starting to use it more.
Any of these massive data sets.
And it's basically like, you know, you think of any online database where you're going through files and then things are linked to each other.
Well, this is, it's multimedia and one thing can pop up to another.
It's all tied together.
You can do aggregation.
I mean, they are what you know, and a Palantir, of course, is from Lord of the Rings, and it's it's the seer.
It's kind of like Ian's.
You've got a little, you know, that's Ian's Palantir right there, right?
ian crossland
Hold this up.
forrest cooper
There it is.
jack posobiec
There it is.
tim pool
It literally is a crystal ball.
jack posobiec
It's a crystal ball.
forrest cooper
Right.
The idea is it's Lord of the Rings FaceTime.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's what it's what who was it?
Was it Mary or Pippin?
They saw it and they grabbed it.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
So the Colorado based company purchased fifty point seven million dollars worth of one hundred
ounce gold bars sometime in August.
Palantir said in a short note buried in its ninety three page second quarter earnings
report last week.
This is a the company previously announced that it would accept a bitcoin as a form of
payment, though it hasn't said that it's invested in a bitcoin yet.
Unlike some other companies, including Elon Musk's electric car firm, Tesla.
jack posobiec
What what what what what do they want in Palantir is it's Peter Thiel.
tim pool
Oh, I know, I know, but I'm saying like, what's the Black Swan event that they're seeing?
They have all this data, they're the Searstone, and they're like, we think we need $50 million in 100 ounce gold bars.
Yeah.
I saw a meme where they were like, what are they saying?
jack posobiec
And they're not like the guys on TV saying, you know, buy gold, you know, William Devane.
tim pool
When Sauron is buying gold, you have to wonder what's going on.
jack posobiec
What does Sauron know?
tim pool
Yeah.
So I don't know.
What do you guys think?
ian crossland
Is it... It's economic.
They're hedging against economic inflation.
tim pool
Is that all you think?
ian crossland
That's it.
They know it's coming.
So, dude, one... It's going to be magnitude.
tim pool
But that's not a Black Swan event.
unidentified
One conversation combined with... That would be Black Swan.
jack posobiec
One conversation, sort of a meta conversation I've been having with a few people offline
lately is if you just look, like if you take the last five years worth of events and you
kind of put them all together, but you look at them from, you know, go through the mental
exercise of going 20 years in the future and then looking back.
These last five years, just the amount of upheaval and the quickness and speed with
which events have transpired, it sort of feels like the preface to something.
unidentified
Right?
jack posobiec
It almost feels like you're reading, you know, this, okay, this is the backstory of how we, which led us up to the event.
tim pool
It kind of feels like you're on a roller coaster and it's, the clinks are going slower and slower.
Tink, tink, tink, tink.
jack posobiec
Right.
unidentified
No.
Tink, tink, tink.
Right.
ian crossland
Are you sitting in the front or in the back of the roller coaster?
tim pool
Always the front.
jack posobiec
I'm in the front.
A hundred percent.
tim pool
You got to see it.
unidentified
A hundred percent.
ian crossland
I'll sit behind you guys.
jack posobiec
Yeah, I want to know.
I want to know.
tim pool
Yeah, I want to watch.
ian crossland
It's a good view.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not a big roller coaster person, though.
It's kind of boring.
ian crossland
Peter Thiel is heavily invested in Bitcoin marketplaces and stuff.
tim pool
So what is this?
And you're saying you think that it's going to be an economic shock to the system.
ian crossland
There's going to be a magnitude of cost inflation, like times 10.
That's what magnitudes are.
tim pool
We're already seeing it.
ian crossland
We're going to see things that cost $6 cost $60.
It's going to be absolute madness.
tim pool
That would be insane.
I don't know.
Do you guys agree?
jack posobiec
Well, I mean, that that makes sense as to why they were because I mean, from what you're saying, that's why they're buying gold, right?
Because it's it's yes, there's a black swan event, but it'll be tied to economics, it'll be and obviously you would buy gold as a hedge against fiat.
So the idea that yeah, and that it now it may also be though, that there's they're not quite sold on crypto yet.
And they're thinking that look, you know, we kind of went through the pandemic.
And And you know, there, you know, there were times where crypto seemed like it was people were using it as a store of value.
But other times where it was seemed like it was crashing along with the stock market, because there's less speculation in crypto as well.
And so it's not an awkward crypto Twitter, by the way, you know, it's all the crypto bros out there.
But I'm just talking about how it went last year.
And so you've got to think that that from Palantir's perspective, they want to go with the more traditional store of value that people have run to in a crisis, and that's gold.
tim pool
What would be a Black Swan event that would hit the economy in such a way that they would need $50 million of gold bars?
ian crossland
They could print $120 trillion tomorrow.
tim pool
Right, right.
But is that a Black Swan event?
ian crossland
It would turn out.
It would create a Black Swan event.
tim pool
Does that make sense?
forrest cooper
No, no.
You make a good point.
Would the printing of $100 trillion be the cause of the Black Swan event, or would it be the event itself?
ian crossland
Good call, because was 9-11, was it the response to the buildings coming down that was the real Black Swan event, like the war?
Or was it the actual building?
How do you define?
forrest cooper
Was it the fact, well, maybe the thing in that one would be, was the Black Swan event at, the thing that contributed to what we call the Black Swan event of 9-11 was the towers coming down.
But the things that contributed to that are all of the subsequent, or all the preceding events that no one predicted.
No one thought anyone was going to hijack a personnel carrier and crash it.
ian crossland
So maybe the formation of the Federal Reserve was the black swan event.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure they had done drills specifically mentioning this.
It's been a long time since I've read a lot of the news.
I just mean to say that it was a failure on the part of the government.
jack posobiec
It's kind of like when I mean, certainly hijackings had taken place.
tim pool
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it's when Biden says, we planned for every contingency.
We know they didn't.
forrest cooper
No, you didn't.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
And when they said like, oh, I think it was like, I don't know, was it Condoleezza Rice at the time?
Like, who could have predicted they would do this?
It's like the US did.
forrest cooper
Look at this last weekend in Afghanistan.
That was a black swan event.
Because we're like, okay, well, we I mean, anybody who's been there knows has some expectation that as the as America recedes, somebody is going to fill that void.
And if it's not the Afghan military, the Afghan government, At the time, it's going to be somebody else.
And who's that going to be?
It's obviously going to be the Taliban.
We just did not expect it.
The Black Swan event was that they precipitated on across the country so quickly.
And so that's kind of the multiple layers of failures of the relationships with the local people, not on the individual level, but on the state level.
And how do we do it?
Are we looking at this social investment in the country and taking it seriously?
No.
tim pool
So I read a bit about Afghanistan and what, I can't remember, I don't know who wrote this, they said that the US pulled air support.
And as soon as that happened, that's the centerpiece of American military strategy.
So they give the Afghan security forces, you know, these air capabilities, but then Biden's like, we're pulling support and we're out.
jack posobiec
Well, there was actually an interesting, and it kind of ties into what you're saying, there was an interesting angle to that, because it was something along the lines of, and I don't want to get this wrong, but the idea was that we were maintaining the Afghan Air Force, and they didn't have the capacity to, there I am using buzzwords capacity, the capacity to maintain their own Air Force.
So when we pulled our contractors and essentially our mechanics for their Air Force, rather than having, you know, it's like, It's like you teach a man to fish, right?
You know, that the minute we pulled those mechanics out, they didn't have an air force anymore.
ian crossland
Is that because in the 20 year training that we were training militants, but not engineers?
jack posobiec
Well, we were training the arm- I mean, I won't, you know, put words in your mouth, but we were training armed forces.
It wasn't- I wasn't- Not mechanics, though?
forrest cooper
I was not- I was- I was in Ranger Battalion.
I was not in charge of understanding the relationship.
jack posobiec
Why didn't you train them better, Forrest?
Come on, man!
tim pool
Because they never taught me how to- Please, please, it's very clear that everything we've seen is Forrest's fault.
It's obviously all James' fault.
Not Biden, it's not Trump, it's not Bush.
forrest cooper
You have discovered what the Department of State thinks.
jack posobiec
Yes, exactly.
forrest cooper
It's not our policies.
It's the guy on the ground.
jack posobiec
His sideburns are too long.
Exactly.
tim pool
Here's my question.
jack posobiec
His gas mask cannot be properly fitted.
tim pool
Here's my question to you, Forrest.
Could we have withdrawn in such a way that Afghanistan would not have fallen to the Taliban in three days?
forrest cooper
Yeah, absolutely.
And that problem would have started maybe 10 years ago.
Because we didn't plan for... When did we start planning to pull out of Afghanistan legitimately?
Like, how long was it just an eventually thing?
We'll do it.
We're going to leave.
We have to leave.
We have to figure out the terms on which we're going to leave.
Maybe us, we who are seen as the powers that be, the generals, are like, well, we're only going to be willing to pull out when it looks good for my political career.
unidentified
Yeah.
forrest cooper
You think that's not a thing?
Like, absolutely.
tim pool
Of course, of course.
You saw that thing from Matt Zeller, where he was on MSNBC and he said that he told them over and over again, plan for this, but they were more concerned about looking bad than actually solving, you know, planning for the problem.
And now they look bad because of it.
jack posobiec
Yeah, plus you got guys who and I'm sure you know this dynamic.
Well, it's Hey, we can't pull out now.
I got a deployment coming up.
I just finished my training.
We're all ready to go.
We're about to do this.
You know, I'm about to make rank.
So this is the last time this is my my chance to be in the seat in the hot seat on deployment.
I'm not gonna skip my deployment.
forrest cooper
I'm going Yeah, no one wants to be a tabbed ranger who never got to go overseas and has to go home and visit his family and run into his uncle, who's annoying as possible, who was in the National Guard and he's got three deployments under his belt.
jack posobiec
No, that's 100% true, but it's that mentality that drives a lot of this decision making, too.
forrest cooper
I think it has influence on it.
I wouldn't consider it a root cause.
I think it's a symptom, not a cause.
tim pool
But very simply.
Joe Biden could have done this right.
jack posobiec
Easily, yeah.
ian crossland
What would he have done different?
In your opinion anyway, Forrest.
forrest cooper
I'm going to build a foundation for this one first.
This is going to be about a three minute kind of piece.
Let's do it!
But it's going to require layers.
So if you're looking at the situation in Afghanistan, you're looking at multiple layers of problems, multiple layers of failures.
One of them being, and this is going to piss off a lot of people, but generally speaking, Afghanistan is a failed state.
So it's not a unified people.
It doesn't have a unified government.
It's constantly in a state of upheaval.
Right, so if you're going to look at countries like China, America, Russia, Germany, Great Britain, Mexico even, Afghanistan culturally does not have the unity that even America has in our own fractured nonsense.
Right?
So for them as a culture, some of it is still very much so, I'm really only loyal to my tribe, which makes sense, but they don't have the kind of trickling up effect of at least some sense of loyalty, or some sense of unified cultural identity.
There are a lot of spurious connections between them, but there's not a single unified cultural identity in there.
Some of this is because of things that we just don't understand in the West, and some of them are things that are a little bit more nuanced than just tribalism.
But there are issues within the Afghan culture, which he saw, because we spent 20 years and a lot, well, we spent all this time and money building an Afghan military, and as soon as they saw the Taliban coming, they're like, ah, you know, here's the guns, we're good.
They gave up the weapons.
So that's the first layer.
The second layer is that so much of the American military's leadership was more concerned about the opinions of people that don't even like them or are actively working against them.
They're so worried about American news agencies writing hit pieces on them because then their political career is done.
Because once you get past a certain level in the American military on the officer scale, you become an inherently political position.
I mean, at this point, you become an officer, you're a politician.
jack posobiec
at this point, it's if you get that that first, I mean, you become an officer, you're a politician.
forrest cooper
Exactly. Well, I don't even know what the lieutenant looks like
anymore. But I would expect because if you're going to be if
you're going to put that much investment into it, you're half
to being at least hoping to look far enough in that you're going
to go on for like a colonel and move your way up there.
And then the third part that comes into this one is the American cultural issue of we didn't, as a culture, come to terms with what we were trying to accomplish there, nor did we as a culture believe in our own values enough to try to transpose them into this country.
If we think certain things are good, like we're not even going to use representative government as a value, we did not pass that on to the Afghan people or they did not root it in.
They did not take root of that.
So when you're talking about Afghanistan as a multi-layered problem, you're dealing with bureaucrats making rules of engagement, For the people who are on the ground, in the words of a good friend of mine, you have people who are non-threats.
And what I mean by non-threat is that they have no strategic value.
If an opposing force were to encounter them, they wouldn't even take them seriously.
Right, so this person is so disconnected from the American military, the concept of war, but somehow they're being allowed to make rules of engagement for Navy SEALs, Army Rangers, Delta Force guys, where now you've got the guys who signed the paper, chose to do it, and don't get me wrong, those people are responsible too because they listened about leadership if they did, when they did, if they did.
And it's not just a blanket statement, or the leadership is bad, because you're your own person.
American rugged individualism begins at the person, and the American military gave that up as the American culture has been giving that up.
So layer one, Afghanistan was never going to become a glorious utopia.
Layer two, the more concerned about what my American constituents are going to say.
And then layer three is on a cultural level, we gave up the fact that I as an individual, it's my responsibility, if I'm the one carrying the firearm, I am the one who's responsible for it.
And it's not that the people on the ground gave that up, it's that their political leadership took that from them.
Going back to Nicholas Nassim Taleb, if you want to read three books of his, Black Swan, Anti-Fragile, Skin in the Game.
Skin in the Game means if I'm the guy on the ground, I know that I can make decisions because I know that if I'm looking at a combatant or non-combatant, I can make that decision.
If my leadership does not believe that I can make that decision, but instead puts rules of engagement, which I don't even get to engage that part of my mind, then they have failed.
The apparatus that is the American concept of war failed in Afghanistan, which is no surprise why China would be willing to push it.
jack posobiec
Yeah, this is also covered in the concept of the strategic E4.
unidentified
Right?
jack posobiec
The idea that when you look at some of this stuff from a fourth generation warfare perspective, the idea that optics are warfare, right?
So suddenly an E4 tip of the spear, right?
You're thinking, oh, well, I'm the bottom of this echelon.
I have this whole hierarchy above me, giving me the rules of order to making these strategic decisions, giving me commander's intent.
But instead, because you're the one who's there, and then you've got someone on the other side that's taking your picture or that's portraying your actions or misportraying your actions, right?
You are now the face of US government policy.
You're the face of the, you know, or in their terms, the way they would like to portray it, of course, as the as the evil Western occupying empire that is Crushing their land for 20 years and let's face it if you were you know if you were someone in Afghanistan who's 18 years old right now, right?
You don't know what 9-11 was that's like something you read about you know or maybe you saw a video of but you just know that you've been growing living in a country your entire life as you've been growing up and seeing foreign soldiers walking around occupying your country telling your government what to do and then you've got Some people saying, oh, just go along with them, even though they don't speak your language, they don't have your values, they don't share your religion, they don't share your culture.
And then you've got another group that says, no, follow us, let's get rid of them.
tim pool
Let's talk about the rules of engagement, though.
I'm assuming you probably have experienced things where it's like, it makes no sense.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
Absolutely.
So, yeah, elaborate.
forrest cooper
Forrest Cooper, Team Leader 2013, was explained that I have to tell the people that I'm in charge of, I'm a team leader, I'm in charge of guys, I have to explain to them that in the event there is a man standing in his doorway with a belt-fed machine gun shooting at your people, we are not allowed to return fire with effective weaponry because there's the possibility that somebody might be standing behind him in his house.
tim pool
That's amazing.
forrest cooper
Yep, and so the appropriate response at that time was to pull back to a safe situation where you can contain it
without receiving Effective fire. Okay. Now we're using military jargon. Well,
you can contain the situation without receiving effective fire
Which is anywhere between 50 yards and 300 yards or whatever and then wait for him to stop shooting
unidentified
That's amazing how Well, I mean when they run out eventually
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Theoretically.
forrest cooper
So let's, let's, let's make another very important distinction.
When your job is you are in a special operations unit and you're tasked with performing things like a night raid where you go, we're going to go after perfect, most famous night raid ever going after Osama bin Laden.
Right?
So if they had told the guys going after Osama bin Laden that you're not allowed to shoot unless you're being shot at.
Okay, think about that dynamic really quickly.
You're being employed by the American military to go after a specific target, but you're supposed to also act like you're a beat cop in Chicago, and you're not allowed to actually engage with the targets that you know are armed and preparing to fight against you until you have some sort of checkmark from somebody else who has no skin in the game that confirms that you have received effective fire from somebody.
tim pool
It's really interesting.
We were looking at this graph the other day that Lydia had pulled up showing the different jobs by political affiliation.
And it's like, you know, Army Ranger probably tends to be more conservative.
And then bureaucrat who sets policy for Army Ranger probably tends to be more liberal or something to that effect.
You're gonna get people who don't do the job telling you how to do the job.
ian crossland
Dude, they commanded you to, as a tactic, a battle tactic, is wait for the enemy to stop fighting.
tim pool
That was your tactic.
lydia smith
That's a great tactic.
jack posobiec
That was also our strategy.
forrest cooper
It wasn't a tactic.
It was enforced by law.
If I broke that because I was like, oh, well, you know what?
I'm a designated marksman.
I know that I can make this shot at this yardage and I know that I am not being shot at right now.
I am fully trained and confident in that ability, have the equipment and the situation that presents it.
If I even completed that, then I would go home from the mission and have to face lawyer, well not lawyer, but I have to face an entire effectively court appearance overseas by Americans basically trying to figure out whether or not they can throw me in.
jack posobiec
Is this like Does this happen where someone will... And by the way, you've got, you've probably got three or four activist JAGs looking to make rank that look at you and say, aha, we've got a situation where somebody broke the rules.
They're not looking at what your mission was or what your objective was or what the context of that particular objective was.
They're looking at how can I make rank as a JAG, that's a military lawyer, by going after somebody, prosecuting them and winning.
forrest cooper
Precisely.
ian crossland
So you could save three people's lives, and then they would persecute?
jack posobiec
Irrelevant.
ian crossland
Does that happen?
jack posobiec
That's completely irrelevant.
forrest cooper
You didn't save their lives, you just failed to accidentally hurt them.
ian crossland
Right.
Like if there was going to be a firefight, and the guy with the machine gun was going to mow down three of your guys, and then they were going to mow him down, but you prevented that by sniping the guy.
forrest cooper
How'd you know he was going to attack your people?
ian crossland
Yeah, right, there's no way to know.
He's opening fire with a machine gun, how do we know that he's trying to hurt someone?
tim pool
Or what if he's got a machine gun and he's like literally feeding the belt in it while staring at you frantically?
ian crossland
Do people go through this court process knowing that they save people's lives by disobeying an order and they're like, you know what?
I did the right thing.
And then they get their careers trashed and they're thrown in prison and... Yes.
forrest cooper
They do not care.
They do not care.
jack posobiec
Remember, there was even... I mean, it goes even further than this with... I don't know how much we can talk about the... I don't even know how to say it, but the...
Basically, there was a situation where there would be underage boys on on and around US military bases.
And I'm trying to be very YouTube friendly with this.
And we know and there are specific terms for that.
I have no idea whether YouTube has an issue with the Afghani terms for that.
unidentified
Yeah, probably.
jack posobiec
But there would be times where, and I'm sure you know these stories as well, where U.S.
soldiers would say, I can't take this anymore, I can't live with myself, and they would step up and try to stop it.
Times where it was happening... Where young boys are being abused.
being abused. Yeah. Yeah. Boys are being abused. But it was
known about. They were told to shut up about it. I mean, The
New York Times has covered this extensively. This is being done
by Afghan military officers, police officers, and even times
where people lose their careers, get prosecuted for getting
getting involved with this and trying to stop it. Right. So you're trying to stop them. So not not even talking about
rules of engagement, which which is obviously a completely
separate thing. This is just you know, right and wrong, right kind
of stuff. And they said, Well, oh, that's just a cultural
difference. You you just you know, you have to let them is that what we're trying to prop up?
forrest cooper
You're you're a company commander, you're in charge of 130 guys, plus a couple of more. And then your company is
attached to a Afghan company. And you're supposed to be working with
each Well, they're attached to you.
Fine.
And you, because you understand that you need to integrate your forces so that they can work well together, otherwise it's just going to be two completely useless bodies.
Well, one's going to be very useful and one's going to be very lost.
You can figure that out for yourself.
LandNav is not an officer specialty.
But you can take this issue and you're working with... Hey, some of us can read compasses.
In 1970?
unidentified
Oh!
forrest cooper
So, back to the joke.
You know, I went to ranger school, I know how that works.
But so in that one you have and you're working with you're working with a you have a host nation cohort and you know, they're Participating in not just casual corruption like issues where it's not just money being exchanged But many many worse things and instead of being able to say this is not that what we're gonna represent to our country we're not gonna this because they're definitely they're an inherently a reflection of on you and If the Americans protect the people who do the bad things, then they are in part and parcel responsible for it, at least within the cultural concept.
And so when you as a commander say, we're going to put a stop to this in this connected force, and you get sidelined because it wasn't politically operative or optimal, that's what you're dealing with.
jack posobiec
Right.
forrest cooper
Yep.
tim pool
Man.
forrest cooper
Virtue be damned.
jack posobiec
War is messed up for a lot of reasons.
And so you talk about the PTSD ramifications of that, you talk about the 22 veteran suicide a day, that obviously this is something that's driving, you know, and you're right, by the way, that that is the different cultural values.
It is a very Western cultural value that if you see something like See something, say something.
How many times do we say that, right?
But that's not the same in all cultures, right?
In other cultures, they'll say, well, I don't know that person.
And I'm not involved in that.
So why should I get involved?
forrest cooper
We would encounter villages, towns and areas where a person would be targeted.
Our person would be targeted because he was 100% confirmed being a bomb manufacturer intended to do harm on whoever, right?
And they have their little compound with their walls, and in that compound, they're building explosives for the purpose of maiming and killing American soldiers and Afghan citizens.
Their neighbor will know about it and say, it's not on my property, so I don't care.
Correct.
I do not care that my neighbor Oh, yeah, yeah, my neighbor.
And well, that's one dynamic, right?
They'll be like, Oh, yeah, my neighbor works for the Taliban.
He builds bombs.
And you're like, thanks.
But then you then you also have to deal with the secondary layer of you and I are neighbors.
You're the American government.
And you and I are in a feud.
And I'll be like, you know, I want some of his land.
But I won't tell you that.
I'll be like, yeah, he builds bombs.
And so yeah, right.
tim pool
So it's that's like, that's like the Soviet Union.
forrest cooper
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
My friends who are from there have said similar stories where, you know, I was hanging out in an apartment and my friend told me that she's like, hey, you know, the apartment next to this one, you know, back in the during the Soviet Union, there were two neighbors and they were feeding with each other.
So the person who lived here just called the Communist Party and said they were badmouthing the party.
And a day later, their apartment was empty.
jack posobiec
Yep.
tim pool
It's a nightmarish way to live, man.
jack posobiec
We're screwed up.
forrest cooper
Because you're talking about values.
You're talking about an American value, at least a Western value, is this idea that we know our neighbors and we at least hold them to a certain level of accountability.
jack posobiec
To some extent, at least to some... I mean, that might... Yeah, like, if you're in the US, right, and I see my next-door neighbor, like, beating their dog or something, or their kid, or whatever it is.
Like you're gonna call the cops.
forrest cooper
Most likely.
jack posobiec
Yeah, you are going I mean, nine times out of 10, someone in the US is gonna say, all right, I'm gonna pick up the phone and do something about that.
Because that's wrong.
unidentified
Right?
jack posobiec
I see that's wrong.
Other parts of the world.
It's, hey, that's their dog.
That's their kid.
Maybe they did something wrong.
forrest cooper
Yep, and there's a left and right limit to that for sure.
jack posobiec
Sure.
forrest cooper
Because then you run into the Minneapolis problem of, well, they didn't have a Black Lives Matter flag outside their house, so let's burn it down next time.
tim pool
Well, you've seen the riots in Hamburg during, I think it was the G20 or whatever.
All the windows are smashed out except for one.
There's a photo.
All the windows smashed out except for one, and it's got the communist fist in the window.
That's the one that gets left alone.
ian crossland
I've been studying a lot of war history, and a lot of times it's like, you know, the army goes into the city, they kill most of the male fighters, and then they rape the women and pillage and burn the city.
This doesn't always happen, but it was pretty frequent, like normal.
The commander would be like, okay, he lets his troops pillage, because if he doesn't, they're going to mutiny and kill him.
So he lets his troops.
But we've gone the opposite direction with the Geneva Convention and the American military, prim and proper, taking Make sure you don't upset your foes before you kill them.
And I wonder if we've gone too far.
Like, war... The one that tries to fight with honor is the one that loses.
I mean, that's... We learned that in the Revolutionary War.
forrest cooper
You see that in World War I. I'm not... I wouldn't be so cynical as not willing to fight with honor.
I think that's a bit of a hyper-simplification.
Okay, you're definitely... So, an example of where your example... An example of what your metaphor, your example does come out is...
So you go into an Afghan town, you kick down a door, and you find the character that you were looking for.
Now you have to pay the family, the American equivalent of the fanciest door, to the family because you kicked down the door.
Could you have done it without kicking down the door?
Like, dude, he's a terrorist.
Why do I have to pay the family for the door?
Well, because you did damage to the property.
Like, we were going after him because he was facilitating, insert one of these issues, he was doing one of these things.
Like, we didn't just go after him willy-nilly because his name is whatever.
It's, you know, you go after a guy, he's building bombs, he's facilitating fighters, he's in, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, uh... Recruiting.
Recruiting, he's, whatever, I mean, you could figure out any of the answer.
So you go into the village, you have your target structure, you hit the building, And then afterwards, you're like, well, now we have to pay the family for the door.
ian crossland
American police don't, if they kick a door down, they don't pay for the door of American citizens.
forrest cooper
Would you look at that?
American police and military differences.
tim pool
There's a lot of big ethical and moral questions that arise from what's going on in Afghanistan.
And the first is, you know, you mentioned the horrible things that they do.
They have this really disgusting practice that we can't really talk about on YouTube, but it's, it's child abuse.
jack posobiec
And, and actually that, that's one of the things just to get into the more complexity of it.
That's one of the things that the Taliban was against.
And so one of the ways that they originally, Mullah Omar and Kandahar were raising, were rising to power was because they were, were essentially, they would find out about stuff like that going on and then execute people in the streets.
And so people would say they were so sick of it.
They'd say, okay, well, let's go for this extreme reaction.
Let's, let's join in with these guys.
Cause at least they'll do something about it.
tim pool
Well, so I think about the U.S.
being in this foreign land where a bunch of people don't like them, as you pointed out.
They don't speak the language, don't even look like you.
They're a bunch of imperial, powerful troopers who come in and tell you how to live and what you have to do.
And there are people who are there who are like, no way.
They were going to resist by any means necessary.
The problem I see is, I don't think we should have been there.
If we wanted to go after Al-Qaeda, that I understand, sticking around for nation building and occupying this country.
Results in people resisting you, and for all of the really horrifying things I would personally wish they were not doing, I don't know if that is justification for the U.S.
being the world police for every single issue like that, because if we were going to go into every country where they had a problem like that, we'd be occupying, you know, North Africa for everything that's happening, like with the slave trade now in Libya.
jack posobiec
I could sit here for hours and tell you about, you know, country after country that's conducting some kind of moral atrocity, and there's always going to be a Rwanda out there.
forrest cooper
If we're gonna go after somebody, though, we better go after them.
That's the issue that I have.
This is what this is where I come from the on the ground guy, right?
tim pool
Exactly.
forrest cooper
So it's like, again, if you've trained guys, you spend millions of dollars to train dudes to be really good at what they're doing.
jack posobiec
Where are the American when this was the initial the initial operations in Afghanistan, October 2011 was just that.
forrest cooper
Look at those kind of things, right?
Like look at the the abilities of the of the American warfighter, Jawbreaker, right?
I don't remember.
Because if it was, if we're talking about like 2001... It's like Jawbreaker, Anaconda, like some of those really early... And I was really young.
jack posobiec
Of course, of course.
forrest cooper
And I will not pretend to be the most astute historian in American military history, because, especially when you look at the Global War on Terror, it gets bigger the more you look into it.
jack posobiec
Oh yeah.
forrest cooper
But a very simple answer is, you let the people who you've trained to do the job, do the job.
You don't put artificial inhibitation, artificial barriers for them.
So when we're talking about Navy SEALs, Army Rangers, Delta Force, Special Forces guys, it's like, okay, what's the mission?
Dismantle the Taliban's network in this area.
Okay, go do that.
And go do that to the best of your ability.
And just keep doing that until you've accomplished the dissolution of the Taliban network.
No.
We don't really want to go after the Taliban network anymore.
Now we want to engage in nation-building because it looks better for our constituents.
tim pool
I got a question about Afghanistan.
Did you, uh, when the U.S.
went in, did they set up a bunch of checkpoints requiring identification from the citizenry?
forrest cooper
Not eventually.
tim pool
Eventually.
forrest cooper
Yeah, they had to.
I mean, a checkpoint is also a method of area denial.
It's not as simple as saying, well, we're here for papers, please.
A checkpoint is an uncomfortable way of saying, it's going to get people's attention, and so we can observe people.
It's a third order move.
Oh, like a honeypot.
It's a third-order movement, right?
So if I put a checkpoint out here, I can also watch how people move around that checkpoint, or maybe if that checkpoint is so that they can't come into the embassy, that's pretty straightforward.
tim pool
But I'm going for a segue here, so did you ever force people, was there ever a policy where it was like people could not freely use services anywhere during these operations unless they had ID to prove who they were or what they were doing?
jack posobiec
I think I see where this is going.
tim pool
Oh, you see where this is going.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm making a point about a military occupation versus what we're seeing in our country right
forrest cooper
now.
Yeah.
unidentified
I was too special for checkpoints.
forrest cooper
You were what?
unidentified
I said I was too special for checkpoints.
forrest cooper
Oh, I hear you.
tim pool
I hear you.
forrest cooper
I just mean general knowledge, though.
Before you do that segue.
That's an inflated ego conversation.
jack posobiec
I think what we could say, though, is that there was certainly a lot of vetting that
went on for people that were in these joint units, people who were allowed to join the
unit, also people who served as contractors of host nation nationals that were serving
on bases.
There was a ton of vetting that went into this, there were biometrics that were conducted, and that even with all of this vetting that was done, you still had a massive amount of what were called green on blue attacks.
And you cannot talk about resettling Afghanistan refugees in quote unquote refugees in the United States without
Confronting that very real fact that even the people who were vetted in many times this is what talk about stream
vetting, right?
Yeah, we're still These green and blue attack. Yeah, what's a green on blue
so green on blue attack means?
You know, so blue forces is like me and my allies That's my buddies.
Red forces, that's the bad guy.
That's, that's, that's the enemy, right?
But green is the sort of, you know, you're a host nation, national, you're host country national, or, you know, you're so you're someone who's working for us in a in a contractor capacity, you're a civilian capacity, you're not, but you're not, you know, one of our one of our allies in uniform, right?
I know a guy who got, you know, the defect.
He got shot in the cafeteria as he was waiting in line to get chow one day, right?
By someone who was working there.
Just got shot in the stomach.
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
Just waiting in line.
forrest cooper
For the knuckle draggers out there like me in that sense.
Well, okay.
So for that sense, green on blue, green is Afghan.
In this scenario, green was the Afghan military and then blue is American.
jack posobiec
Right.
forrest cooper
Sometimes it was accidental.
Sometimes it was not accidental.
Man, so...
tim pool
Well, so the point I was trying to get to was I was trying to be rather disparaging
of New York, considering we're talking about war and all that, and hearing about, you know,
just these, the things that you were able to and not able to do, and then I think about
what's happening in our own country, and it kind of feels like it's beyond occupation,
right?
You know, so my question was general, not that you ever operated a checkpoint or...
forrest cooper
There were checkpoints.
unidentified
Right.
forrest cooper
And by the time I was more involved, by the time I spent more time in Kabul, most of those checkpoints within the city were run by Afghan nationals, which there was easily examples of layers of corruption there.
Bribes beyond reason.
I mean, it doesn't matter.
But there were checkpoints within major cities.
And there are also checkpoints between certain political standpoints.
jack posobiec
Actually, my one JSOC buddy always has this great line about that.
It's quick.
I know you want to segue, but you got to hear this one, because it talks about the moral differences, right?
So he would say, in the United States, we consider it corrupt if you are a government official and you give jobs to your family.
In Afghanistan, you are considered corrupt if you're a government official and you don't give jobs to your family.
tim pool
So, now what we have here in the US, in New York, is substantially worse than any kind of checkpoint or, you know, I guess general search in a designated area.
We have, you can't enter buildings without an ID, alright?
So I actually, I don't know if you guys saw, I was on Fox News earlier, and for those listening and watching the clip, they'll probably put a clip up of it, because I did, you know, as I've been mentioning for the past couple of days, I did a bunch of phone calls, I called the city, And what's happening in New York is substantially worse than a military occupation.
You have to fire your employees if they have a disability, barring them from vaccination.
You want to enter any building?
You got to have an ID.
A company must terminate their employees.
And so I'm thinking about this stuff.
I'm like, how did we get to the point where New York has basically violated civil rights law across the board from the federal government?
And how does this happen?
How does it happen that in our own cities, You know, you can't even, you can't even shoot at a guy if he's got a machine gun pointed at you.
But in New York, they can straight up say the ADA is in the toilet, we can do whatever we want.
It's a million times, well... There's a lot, there's a lot worse with actual military conflict.
But I tell you, man, the Nazis, they went after the disabled first.
And now we're at the point, we're watching this in four cities.
You got LA, SF, New Orleans, and New York.
Under these lockdowns.
jack posobiec
You are getting to a situation in the United States where it's really amazing, and you could get into the moral and ideological implications of why this is, but it is medical apartheid.
You are having people that are being told because of their personal decisions or their personal medical history that they are no longer allowed to participate in society And those same people are also, if you watch certain other media, a lot of mainstream media now, they are being demonized, they are being otherized, they are being labeled, and they are being more and more, when I say demonized, I really mean that because the President of the United States just gave a speech today, Joe Biden gave a speech today talking about how it's the unvaccinated's fault that all this is going on.
It is your fault You are the reason that this pandemic is still going on.
You need to do this.
We need to push this.
And those governors that are standing in the way of masks, that are standing in the way of mandates, they need to stop and they need to get with the program.
tim pool
You know what word I like that everyone seems to be using now?
Anathematize.
ian crossland
What's that mean?
tim pool
It's like a condemnation from the cathedral.
unidentified
That's a good word.
tim pool
Like an official curse or condemnation from the authority.
So that's what we're seeing.
I guess, what would the word be?
The anathematization?
There you go.
Of groups of people, be it because they have personal medical issues that aren't necessarily disabilities, but they have to make hard choices, or because they have just personal choice.
And by all means, I'm sure that people can argue.
You want to make an argument and say, well, your personal choice is bad for us.
I don't choose to drive drunk.
I'm like, okay, that's not the same argument, but I'll tell you this.
What about somebody who goes to the doctor and the doctor says, no.
And now, when you go to these restaurants, what happens?
They say, I'm sorry, you're fired because of your disability.
But it's not, it's not, I don't want to make it seem like nobody's fighting back because we do have an article from over at TimCast.com.
Restaurants sue Mayor Bill de Blasio over vaccine passport mandate.
A group of restaurants and businesses in New York City have filed a lawsuit against Mayor Bill de Blasio over the vaccine passport.
And this is interesting, they mention there is no, there's no medical exemptions.
There's exemptions for celebrities, performers.
Yeah, that's right.
If you book a show, you don't got to be a celebrity to book a show.
You're good.
Don't worry about it.
We don't need that from you.
The New York Post reports in the lawsuit filed on Tuesday in Staten Island Supreme Court that businesses argued the mandate violates their constitutional rights and unfairly targets certain establishments because churches, grocery stores, schools, offices, and medical facilities do not have the same strict requirement.
Additionally, the mandate does not make any allowances for people who cannot get the vaccine or already have antibodies from having the virus.
It makes no exception for people allergic to the ingredients in the vaccines, have religious beliefs against them, or have pre-existing conditions.
So, uh, one of our friends made a phone call and asked a restaurant if they would bar someone with a disability from coming in.
As you guys know, I talked about how I made this phone call.
And they said, I'm sorry, regardless, if you don't have the vaccine, you can't come in.
And he said, what about a Jewish person?
Would you let them in?
And they said, what do you mean?
Like, if they were instructed, you know, because of their religious beliefs, they couldn't.
And they were like, oh, absolutely not.
They wouldn't be allowed in the establishment.
Their religious beliefs do not give you any kind of exemption from this.
jack posobiec
Well, and by the way, you know, as, um, you know, as the, uh, the category token Catholic on the, on the podcast and since no shim cast tonight, unfortunately, but, um, and really just for Christians as well, though, that they, that, so in, in the Catholic faith and in the Christian faith, uh, abortion is obviously something that's completely against our religion.
It is, I mean, it is, uh, throughout the Bible, et cetera, et cetera, not to get into all that, but it is a hundred percent against.
A lot of the vaccines used aborted fetuses in their development.
And so a lot of people have looked at that in good faith and say, look, this is just against my religious beliefs to use something that benefited and was created through abortion.
That this is something that is completely against our religious beliefs, it's something that we believe in our core, and it's something that we completely reject.
forrest cooper
And it goes deeper, too, because you're using the term anathema, and that term has a long history.
I mean, being Catholic, I would figure the history of the term anathema is to be cutting you off from the source of salvation.
jack posobiec
Right.
forrest cooper
So the idea is, if you're anathema, I am being able to... so I'm not Catholic, I'm Reformed.
But in that sense, we may have different beliefs, but the concept remains the same.
It is as if somebody were to say, you are no longer or you are not saved.
We are cut off from the grace of Christ.
So that's a heavy thing to say.
And your parallel to it, though, is very important here, because you're also now dealing in major cultural differences that we're starting to see on the metaphysics level.
We believe in a difference between positive and negative rights.
So a negative right is such that I cannot impose on something to you.
It is befouling your rights.
tim pool
I have a great way to explain positive and negative rights.
Good.
A negative right to life means I can't kill someone.
A positive right to life means I'm obligated to try and save you if I see you dying.
forrest cooper
Yes, and we don't believe in the same positive rights.
As in, I don't have to go out of my way to prevent you from something, right?
But what you're seeing, especially in this example, is that people are viewing the conscious decision not to get the vaccine as a violation of somebody else's negative rights.
You're seeing this in the light, but this is nothing new.
This is nothing new. We've been seeing it on the colleges for years. You know, silence is violence.
It's all the same thing.
tim pool
You know, people were saying for the longest time, once these college kids get out of school and see the real
world, and I said it how many times?
I probably said it 500 times over the past couple of years.
Yeah, once these kids get into the real world, however, I want to be fair to myself and say, I still have always said, but maybe what happens is they graduate college and get jobs here and the companies just do what they want, I guess.
unidentified
Right.
forrest cooper
Yeah, they do.
They get jobs in HR and then they control your company and then they tell you who that you can and cannot hire based on race and gender or whatever Ibram X. Kendi says today.
jack posobiec
Well, I wasn't, I wasn't actually going to go into this, but you just gave us a good way to put in it, put it out that when you said it is your connection from the source of grace, right?
That is anathema.
Well, that is what they see themselves as doing.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
Right.
So these government leaders, political leaders, establishment leaders, they view the power of government and good society as being on the side of grace as, but that's why the term the cathedral is used so often.
Right.
It's because we are on the side of the angels.
This, our progressive world sphere, and our control over this part of society is grace.
And there is nothing higher, right?
Because they're materialistic.
So this is it.
So if you have broken one of our social commandments, then we must cut you off.
tim pool
But it's materialism as well.
It's straight up.
It's not even the metaphysical.
It's not even the grace.
It's literally like the, you want to use our banks?
jack posobiec
better not offend our elitist sensibilities.
forrest cooper
It's a religion of the materialistic.
Here's another way of dividing that question.
Are you saying that it's the are you saying that the issue with their belief system
is that they believe it or is it the belief system itself?
They view this as again I'm going to actually tie this into
a similarity between something like Russian communism.
The government is God.
The government is holy.
Everything the government says.
A great example would be the first episode of that HBO miniseries on Chernobyl.
Well, the government just said it couldn't happen, so it's not happening.
They believe themselves as the author and dictator of reality.
That's how so convoluted they got.
Now you're looking at early stage issues with that, where they... Are you saying that the problem that you have with their belief system is that they believe it so wholly?
They believe in the holiness of the state so well?
Or is it the fact that they believe it itself, or is it the belief?
Is it what they believe, or that they believe it?
Because I would say something like, I believe that Insert some easy one.
I believe that murder is wrong.
Okay, so and I believe that with absolute conviction that for me to just go murder out of greed or whatever is wrong.
Okay, so I believe that with absolute conviction.
Am I wrong because I believe it, or is my belief wrong?
So is their belief in the cathedral, the new inquisition, non-Catholic church, but the new inquisition of the state as being holy, Is that's, I think that's where it's wrong that they view themselves wrong.
Well, no, it's not both wrong because I can't fault them for believing something, but I can say that their belief is wrong.
ian crossland
Yeah.
They believe that the government is telling them the truth.
They believe in the power of the state.
What they believe is kind of all changes by the day, depending on what the CDC comes out with.
The state is bigger than the government.
forrest cooper
The CCP believes in their accomplishments and right.
ian crossland
They believe it was given to them by heaven.
jack posobiec
I don't know if they truly believe that though, yeah.
Well, let's put it this way.
unidentified
Alone.
forrest cooper
Maybe maybe not but they believe it and so we can't fault people for believing things. Let's put it this alone
jack posobiec
It's it's not just the belief. It's the enforcement. That's the issue, right?
The issue is the enforcement of the belief if there is somebody out there that you know
Praises the National Register and you see these people who actually have little like shrines to dr
Fauci in their homes while they call Trump supporters a cult
And they're singing, you know Broadway musicals that they've changed the words out and put in with dr. Fauci
Uh...
Um, that they are quite literally, they are quite literally, um, making him as an avatar of government and idol, right?
They're idolizing government.
And so they are making government in this case, the state and writ large, the overstate where you, if you combine academia and some elements of the corporate sphere in this, That they are then enforcing that through what you just said in New York.
forrest cooper
They're cultural institutions.
jack posobiec
Now the cultural institutions are enforcing that belief on everybody and that's the issue.
tim pool
I have this tweet from Political Math on Twitter, Polymath.
It's a clip from Stephen Colbert's show where he likens Trump voters to the Taliban.
jack posobiec
Oh yeah, totally.
tim pool
And Polymath says there are two options.
This is a rhetorical game and people like Colbert are so frightened by reality that they retreat to this harmless rhetorical marshmallow happy land where nothing means anything or two.
They're serious and they think we should kill Trump supporters.
That's a horrifying prospect.
jack posobiec
I think it's somewhere in between.
I think it's also the idea that With what we're saying right now, right?
They have this belief system.
They have this belief system in the power of this, not just the power of the state, but the grace of the state, the grace of the overstate.
And so the Taliban refuses to believe in the grace of the state.
Trump supporters refuse to believe in the grace of the states.
But it's, you know, it's like one of those logic equations where that doesn't mean that they believe the same things as the Taliban.
forrest cooper
It's a false equivalency.
tim pool
I have a Twitter thread I'd like to pull up and show y'all guys something.
Whenever there is an apocalyptic news cycle, I always start the tweet with, I don't want to set the world on fire.
I just want to start a flame in your heart, which of course is a Fallout reference for those that are fans.
And it's just the imagery of that song playing, for those that are familiar with Fallout 3,
is that you see DC in a wasteland.
It's a nuclear wasteland, and it's playing this old song from, I think, the 50s or something
like that.
And that's why I write it.
And I've pulled up, let's see, we got here, we got four, we got eight, we got 16.
jack posobiec
I literally have the entire playlist right here.
tim pool
There you go.
Great stuff.
I've got 16 articles I pulled up about supply chain collapse.
And the reason I pulled this up is because there's a big story about Nando's food shortage.
50 restaurants were shut down in the UK because of a chicken shortage.
So I've been tracking the food shortage story for some time.
And also the food inflation story.
And the one thing I've said over and over again is that for some reason the mainstream news cycle is not talking about the food shortage, of which there is one.
And maybe for the most part you don't notice because a shortage of food in certain areas just means you eat something else because we still have a lot of food.
Or also it could just mean you're paying more and slowly starting to notice.
Maybe you see Joe Biden increase food benefits because prices are going up.
That also happens.
And the reason I bring this up is After I showed the 16 articles saying things like Nando's closes 45 restaurants, Rogue Valley restaurants facing food shortage, Burger King, Popeyes say labor shortage, and food shortages are causing prices to increase, understaffed Colorado restaurants, so it's not just food, it's also labor, I then show this.
The one thing you know I love to cite, particularly over the past week, How would you rate the condition of the national economy right now?
Democratic voters say 57% fairly good.
I did a Google search for food shortage and it's page after page after page all in the last week of all these localities saying we have shortages of this that or otherwise.
Chinese food restaurants across the country have been reporting it in various jurisdictions but because CNN doesn't say it It must not exist.
And that is the cathedral, the religion these people follow.
How could anyone who watches the news, legitimate news, with a critical mind, believe the economy is going well?
We had 4 million resignations in April.
They're calling it the Great Resignation.
They say more are coming.
They say, oh, but look, we added 950,000 or so jobs this past month.
But we also have 10 million record job openings because people are quitting.
More people are quitting.
We may be adding jobs, but people are quitting.
You've got a food shortage, you've got Nando's shutting down, and yet you still have people.
Look at this.
Here's the best part.
During Donald Trump, I think it's fair to say, the Democrats believed the economy was pretty good.
During Donald Trump, even though they didn't like the guy.
I can respect that.
They believed that it was fairly good, not very good.
But then something happened.
The coronavirus stock market crash, and there was an inversion.
All of a sudden now, the Democrats felt everything was bad.
And do you know what date it was?
ian crossland
January 20th.
tim pool
That started to flip?
lydia smith
What a great guess.
tim pool
January 20th.
lydia smith
Good guess.
tim pool
The moment Joe Biden gets elected, it was a little dip after election day.
But after Joe Biden is inaugurated, The Democrats who felt the economy was very bad plummeted, and the Democrats who felt the economy was good skyrocketed.
Simply by virtue of having a different president, all of a sudden the economy was good.
ian crossland
I gotta say, I don't think any of those numbers have any value.
It sounds like they're just voting whether or not they like the president.
tim pool
Exactly.
But think about what that means.
When you look at independent voters and Republican voters, they track more with the truth.
jack posobiec
But this also goes back to what we were just saying.
When you view your Theological belief as through the lens of the state.
So you believe in the grace of the state.
I want to tease this out a little bit more.
Then the leader of the state, right, is now also the leader of your religion.
unidentified
And he preaches to you.
jack posobiec
Right.
So if you're if you're, you know, Pope, all of a sudden becomes Donald Trump, and you're an avowed liberal Democrat, right?
This kind of explains some of the reaction that you got to that, right?
This where it was a visceral, emotional experience that they had when he was elected, versus a lot of people who looked at it and said, Oh, you know, I didn't vote that way.
I guess we'll have somebody else in the office for a term.
tim pool
I'd have to imagine it must be like being Catholic and seeing the devil literally rise from the ground.
You'd be freaking out.
jack posobiec
Yes.
forrest cooper
Yeah, well, the conservatives view a separation of church and state as in I recognize that I have my religion and then I have, well, maybe not all.
This is a gross exaggeration.
But there's the idea of the separation of church and state can collapse in two different directions.
You can either have the church become the state and eat the state where you saw a lot of the conflicts in the medieval ages as they're prescribed by non-literate historians.
And then you have the communist example where they dissolve the church and take on its authorities.
What is the difference between the church and the state?
The state is the sword, the church is the pulpit.
So the church tells you what is right, but does not have the ability to enforce it with the sword.
The state has the sword, but does not have the ability to dictate to you what is right.
Because the state, the sword is only there to Honor contracts and protect rights not dictate morality.
So if I go to a pastor and a pastor says tithe or don't cheat on your wife or some sort of positive thing like you know what if you need if you want to do some good here's a here's some charity you can participate in that's different than the state coming to you and saying You're going to do what we tell you is good, or we'll use the sword against you.
And so you're talking about this Pope nature.
Yeah, these people don't believe that the economy is bad because their savior is there.
tim pool
Because Joe Biden's not... But even when Trump was president before COVID, there was still, it was over 60% in... Oh, I'm sorry, that was Obama.
unidentified
No, no, hold on, hold on.
tim pool
I'm looking at one part.
unidentified
It's from...
jack posobiec
I get them confused all the time.
tim pool
From 60% down to 40% before COVID.
So it was between 40 and 60% of Democrats felt the economy was fairly good under Donald Trump.
jack posobiec
I mean, 40% is still pretty high.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
I don't want to make it seem like, you know, under Obama, it was like 65% thought the economy was very good.
Donald Trump got elected.
There was a little drop off, which is kind of hilarious, but a little one.
So if we're using this as a measure of statistics, it's a set of facts, not evaluations, how do we evaluate the decisions of the people who... What are we trying to evaluate here?
And then COVID happened it hits the bottom and then Biden gets elected and goes right back up
forrest cooper
So if we're using this as a measure of statistics, it's a set of facts not evaluations
How do we evaluate the decisions that people who what are we trying to evaluate here? Are we trying to evaluate the
opinion the?
Validity of the opinions of the people who changed their opinion on the economy based on
tim pool
Well, let me put it this way.
If I said to an independent or a Republican, do you think it is going to rain?
They would look up at the sky and say, you know, that does look like a storm cloud.
I think it might rain.
I would give it a 30% chance.
So you get 100, you know, independents and 100 republicans, and you ask them, and they all give you relatively similar answers.
The independents lean more towards more optimistic.
It's probably going to be a little sunny.
It'll clear up.
But they all look, and then you get about 40.
I think actually the plurality of negative is like 68 to 70% of independents and republicans believe the economy is bad.
So they're all looking up, and they're going, that's a storm cloud.
It's probably going to rain.
And some are like, I don't know, I think it'll clear.
And then you ask Democrats, and instead of looking up at the sky, they look down at their phones.
And they scroll through Twitter, and they say, no rain.
jack posobiec
Better check CNN.
No, CNN says it's not going to rain.
tim pool
CNN says it's not raining, so it's not raining.
And you're like, but there's a cloud in the sky.
forrest cooper
So the governor of Minnesota is Governor Walz, also colloquially known as Lord Walz de Klaas.
Yeah, it's great.
unidentified
Lord Walls declares that today no one shall be doing indoor dining.
tim pool
That's what de Blasio's doing.
lydia smith
Yes, that's exactly the same.
tim pool
Although Wilhelm.
Yeah, Wilhelm is demanding your papers.
Wilhelm.
jack posobiec
Kaiser Wilhelm.
tim pool
Kaiser Wilhelm.
jack posobiec
That's his name.
tim pool
What's his name?
Warren Wilhelm?
jack posobiec
With his original name, yeah.
ian crossland
Or Junior, I think.
tim pool
What did Kaiser mean?
The title?
jack posobiec
Like Caesar.
tim pool
Would it sound too cool to call de Blasio Kaiser Wilhelm?
ian crossland
No, we should definitely do that.
100%.
tim pool
Kaiser.
Yes, Kaiser.
We will absolutely show our papers.
You know the thing about New York is that you need your ID to get in.
Let alone the vaccine passport.
No ID?
Sorry.
So that's what, that's like 70% of the black community in New York can't go inside buildings anymore?
But you know what, you know what, you know what, honestly though?
I'm willing to bet up in like the Bronx and Harlem, they're not checking.
What are they gonna do?
They don't have the means to do it.
jack posobiec
Like, what I mean by that is... I mean, like, if I'm going into a corner store, or like a bodega or something, are they really gonna sit there and be like... I don't think you need it for that.
Not for that, but for like a sit-down restaurant.
tim pool
But that could be Taco Bell.
jack posobiec
What about a stand?
tim pool
What about like a food truck?
You're allowed to walk into a restaurant for takeout.
jack posobiec
So takeout's fine.
ian crossland
Right, right.
tim pool
So what I mean is by the means is that these restaurants all have to hire someone to sit at the door and do vaccine checks now.
jack posobiec
So... Like when you're carding someone at a bar.
tim pool
Yeah, and so most of the places that have the ability to do this are, like, in Manhattan.
They're not in Central Brooklyn or, you know, South Brooklyn or... It's not Flatbush Avenue.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
I mean, probably in the hipster areas where it's... Do you want to go into business with me?
forrest cooper
I want to start a business where we just vaccine check and we only take bribes.
unidentified
Yes!
lydia smith
This sounds lucrative.
tim pool
Afghanistan style.
You are a vaccinator?
ian crossland
It'll be called you are vaccinated.
tim pool
You might want to regret that because I'm willing to bet a company will pop up in New
York right now that says we we do vaccine checks and they contract to all the businesses
and then right they could easily have 30,000 employees in a week.
ian crossland
I'm looking forward to the the black market that's going to rise up like the the prohibition
market like we saw with alcohol.
tim pool
Restaurants and basements.
ian crossland
Yes.
All the groups, organizations of speakeasies that are going to now.
It's going to be a genre.
It's going to be an industry.
jack posobiec
You're right.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Dude, it did so much damage to the American people and the economy and everything trying to prohibit alcohol.
Like, haven't we learned our lesson?
We see what prohibiting weed has done to society.
I want to talk about group psychosis.
You remove the weed and make people feel bad for it.
forrest cooper
So here's a silver lining to that.
So today is the 18th of August, 2021.
Today's the last day for comment on the ATF's attempt to redefine what a receiver is for a firearm.
They're trying to go after 80% lowers.
Today's the last day to comment on it, so if you haven't, please do.
And you can find more of that on recoilweb.com if you have to.
Shameless plug.
But here's the silver lining.
We just watched the American government, so great and powerful that it be, accidentally lose a bunch of belt-fed machine guns, night vision equipment, silencers, suppressors, rifles... Blackhawk helicopters?
jack posobiec
Did the Taliban have to pay a class 3 tax?
Yeah, on any NFA, right?
You know, regulated after him for decades.
forrest cooper
But so like, so here's the part of that solution in the silver lining is stop taking the clowns seriously.
Right?
So when when when David Chipman and they're trying to appoint David Chipman as the head of the ATF, he's that mass child murder, isn't he?
He was a participant in Waco.
unidentified
And children were murdered at Waco.
I also don't want him to show up at my house tomorrow.
jack posobiec
By the way, not only unrepentant, he's a celebratory participant.
He went on Reddit and defended it to the hilt.
To the hilt about Waco.
Not even a question of, you know, oh my gosh, I wish it hadn't gone that way.
But, you know, we had the situation, the crazy situation, just straight up lied about the people.
Actually, you were telling us a good story before we went on.
forrest cooper
It's not exactly a story, but it's a really spurious connection of events.
Well, it's what he did.
jack posobiec
It's what he said.
forrest cooper
Yeah, right?
So, we shot a firearm.
The first time I came out here, we shot one of your firearms.
It was a Beretta M82.
Barrett.
Barrett M82.
tim pool
50 caliber.
Semi-automatic.
forrest cooper
I know, I'm supposed to get my numbers right.
tim pool
Was the name right?
forrest cooper
Those are words.
So we shot a Barrett M82 and the origin, a friend of mine who's a gunsmith this week informed me on the origins of the Barrett M82.
So back in the days when the Mujahideen were fighting against the Russians, The Americans created the Barrett M82 to use a common anti-vehicular round that had been around for a while, which was the .50 caliber round.
And they put it into a sniper rifle that was semi-automatic.
So you have to pull the trigger and then pull the trigger again.
So it's not fully automatic.
You have to pull the trigger to shoot your round.
And the advantage of that firearm was that it could be used to take out certain Russian helicopters that were So that kind of gets ingrained in the cultural history of the firearm.
And then a couple of years later, a decade and a year later...
There's Waco.
And what happens at Waco?
Supposedly, according to David Chipman, somebody shot down a helicopter with a plane with a sniper rifle, which would have been a Barrett.
And all he's got to say is they had a Barrett, so they shot down a helicopter.
And he can go in front of the American people digitally and in voice, outright lie to them.
That people at Waco shot down a plane with a Barrett .50 caliber.
jack posobiec
This is what he said on Reddit.
This is exactly, he went on Reddit and was making this argument.
forrest cooper
Yeah, it's not true.
jack posobiec
Completely not true.
ian crossland
Did a helicopter get shot down?
forrest cooper
There was a helicopter that crashed, if I'm not mistaken, but it was not related to it.
tim pool
Yeah, my understanding is it didn't happen.
jack posobiec
Yeah, it just, no, it completely didn't happen.
But what your point is, though, is that he was using this sort of cultural history
of the weapons platform in order to basically, you know, not even deduce, but just sort of like,
manipulate the narrative so that people would think that this helicopter had been shot down
by them simply because they had a certain weapons platform.
Or he could even say, well they must have wanted to shoot down helicopters because what else would you use a Barrett for?
ian crossland
Was it confirmed that they had a Barrett?
forrest cooper
I wouldn't even be able to tell you.
jack posobiec
So if he were to come here to the Cast Castle and find out that Mr. Timothy Poole owns a Barrett, then he would say, oh, well, you must be shooting at helicopters, aren't you?
lydia smith
That's the only thing you can do with them, right?
jack posobiec
Because that's the only thing you use it for.
tim pool
Well, shall we go to Super Chats, my friends?
If you haven't already, please smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and go to TimCast.com, become a member, because we're going to have the members-only segment coming up around 11 or so p.m., but let's read.
Wefie117 says, What's China?
You mean East Taiwan?
No, we mean West Taiwan.
jack posobiec
West Taiwan.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
All right.
George Georgio?
Oh, George Georgio, sorry.
Tim, with the fall of Afghanistan, the Chinese Communist Party would make their move on Taiwan after the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics.
Do you guys agree?
jack posobiec
No.
tim pool
You don't think so?
jack posobiec
No, I don't think so.
For reasons I outlined earlier, I actually bet somebody $1,000 this week that China will not invade Taiwan in the next 90 days.
I'm going to get that $1,000.
tim pool
All right, Shock Trooper 333 says, Hey Tim, missed you yesterday, was busy.
I was deployed to Bagram Airfield for the end of the EVAC OFS, Operation Freedom's Sentinel.
Trump's EVAC plan in Bagram was simple.
All contractors were airlifted out months before we did.
jack posobiec
So this, by the way, this and so I want I want people to know this.
Shout out to my friend Raheem Kassam, who had a huge scoop today, National Pulse, that back in June, the State Department actually canceled Trump's evac plan for Afghanistan that they had put in place.
This was something that they had done prior to Obviously, the election.
He had all the documents on this.
Free Beacon came out and said they eventually were able to confirm the whole thing, too.
So massive, massive story.
Huge scandal, by the way, because then you've got, you know, Austin and Millie.
Millie, who, by the way, is considering, you know, possibly putting in for retirement after, you know, with maybe like, say, a month post evac once this is all cleaned up.
They just realized that you saw that press conference today.
They looked like a deer in the headlights of realizing that so you've been checkmated by the Taliban,
right?
Basically, it's like it's like you're playing chess and you just like play to
lose. And then the kid on the other side says, Okay, well, I'll just do this, this
and this and boom, there you go. Now what now what move are you in?
forrest cooper
And no consequences? None. Not whatsoever.
It doesn't matter.
You're the guy on the ground.
You have all the consequences.
jack posobiec
It's your fault.
Yeah.
forrest cooper
The guy in the chair.
jack posobiec
The guy getting shot at.
forrest cooper
Yeah.
That has to make split decisions and has to deal with, you know, you go into a building under night vision and you're suddenly faced with a crying child and a woman.
But you know there's a guy that just ran into that room with a gun and you're the one making the decision.
Yeah.
tim pool
So what was it?
In the long, long before time, when there was a problem in the village, they would take a goat and put it on the field and say the goat did it?
Is that what it was?
Is that where it comes from?
Yeah, so you're the guy.
Hey, don't look at me.
I just told you what to do and how to do it, and that guy signed the paper.
You're the one who did it, so... Right.
All right, we got an important one here.
Robert Pointer says, Hey Tim, James Lindsay just put on an article where he discusses the
Tim Pool gap. Put this to bed, which is the chicken and which is the egg of wokeness,
culture or academia? It's hard to understand what you mean by culture or academia.
I will say academia is not the progenitor of wokeness, in my opinion.
I do believe it is a contributing factor, but let me explain.
Critical race theory has been around for a long time.
Critical race theory ideas have been around for a long time.
And there's a reason that I, on this show, draw a distinction between critical race theory and wokeness.
Because wokeness encompasses a whole bunch of other things, notably that Democrats think the economy is good.
There is this weird cult Now, critical race theory became a component, critical race applied principles became a component, because certain people who followed these things saw what they could exploit and latch onto.
So I'll put it this way.
Wokeness is the giant beast flying around.
It's the dragon.
And academia and these academics are basically small little parasites that jumped on its back and are now slowly crawling to its brain to try and control the beast and guide it in a certain direction.
So the argument was because I was talking with James Lindsay, Helen Pluckrose, and Peter Boghossian.
They were the people who pulled off the Sokol Square hoax where they hoaxed these academic journals.
jack posobiec
I love that.
That's so funny.
tim pool
Peter Boghossian was adamant it started in academia.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
I was adamant that it started because of algorithms, and before Facebook and these woke blogs and
rage bait and before the social media manipulation, these ideas existed but were not prominent
in the mainstream.
It was only after algorithms started to perform, before articles that mixed different injustices
together started to perform well, that critical race theory, intersectionality, and these
ideas started to become prominent.
Not because academia created them, but because social media manipulation allowed for them to latch on and rise to the top.
But wokeness incorporates more than just those ideas.
Look at the non-binary stuff, the enby stuff you see on Tumblr.
That is not born from academia.
It's born from 12-year-olds who are fed garbage and an algorithm.
Look at the videos of the Finger Family Hitler videos where Hitler's doing Tai Chi with a female body with the Incredible Hulk.
That is not born out of academia.
It's born out of algorithms fed to children.
Children get these insane ideas from academia, but from a whole bunch of other places.
To put it mildly, I think academia played a very outsized role, probably the largest role in the development of a lot of wokeness, but wokeness itself, I believe, is a product of algorithms telling you, if you want clicks, combine as many rage-bait words as possible.
Like Vice's article where they said, trans women of color being attacked, you know, being subjects of police brutality, it's inseparable for the cause of Black Lives Matter.
You put all those things in one link and then Google shows it to you if you search for each and any one of those words, which means, If you have a community that cares about police, a community that cares about Black Lives Matter, a community that cares about trans issues, they will all search for one word and get a different word, but get the same article.
So all of these companies were incentivized to jam all of these words, creating a prominent critical race theory and intersectionality, of which many academics now found themselves reaping the rewards of.
But critical race theory has been around for decades, And it wasn't prominent in the mainstream until algorithms and social media made it possible.
And then people like Jack Dorsey hooked his mouth up to the toilet sewer line and started guzzling down his own refuse from his platform.
And he went from the guy who said, free speech wing of the free speech party.
I don't think it was him.
I think it was one of the other Twitter guys.
But you get the point.
The company said, free speech wing of the free speech party.
And then they plugged the sewer line into their own mouths, gargled down the garbage produced by their trash network, and now they all believe insane things.
But to Jack Dorsey's credit, he tweeted out Rothbard's Anatomy of the State to the shock of many libertarians.
Let's read more superchats.
jack posobiec
I would disagree a little bit because I would move the chains back just a little bit further and I would say wokeness is a natural extension and a natural outgrowth of materialism.
And materialism arose because of the attacks on traditional morality in the West.
That once you remove that, and you only make the material world the only thing that matters, that all of these things then arise.
It's the cult of materialism.
tim pool
To be fair, we could continue to reduce everything.
jack posobiec
Not that I disagree with anything that you said tactically.
tim pool
We could reduce it further and say, how did materialism come to overtake the United States?
A loss of faith in community, television.
forrest cooper
Modern manifestations.
tim pool
Right, so I'm just saying that you can look at the LexisNexis data.
Before Facebook and the RageBait blogs, instances of the words like, you know, critical theory... But why don't we reject it?
jack posobiec
Why don't we reject it out of hand?
forrest cooper
This is where you get to the point.
jack posobiec
This is what I'm saying.
If you had a traditional moral base in this country, or in the West, or a classic moral base, you would reject that stuff out of hand, and it would remain relegated.
So, ten years ago, this stuff was laughed off.
forrest cooper
and say, oh, that's silly. And if the academies believed in what they claim to believe, they
would have been a bastion against wokeness. Instead, they became an incubator for it.
tim pool
Ten years ago, this stuff was laughed off. And when the culture war started ramping up,
I believe the Gamergate may have been the first major instance of the culture war. Many
people said, oh, you're online too much. This is meaningless. What they didn't understand
is that children were put in a rage bait incubator where they got either the anti-SJW side or
they got the SJW side.
Those kids who are 10 years old in 2011 are now 20 in 2021 and they're voting.
And their whole world was shaped by wokeness on an ever-growing platform.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
The only thing they'd ever see on these platforms was the rage-bait garbage.
And now they're getting jobs in media.
And the ones who are a little bit older are getting jobs at the New York Times.
And now we are seeing the elevation.
jack posobiec
All the pronouns in the emails.
You have to put the pronouns in your email block now.
tim pool
And now companies are mandating it, not because these kids went to college.
A lot of people go to college and complain about this stuff.
But kids who grew up on Tumblr Our, you know, otherkin, they believe they're actually mystical dragons trapped in the body of an owl that was transported to a human body in alternate dimensions.
jack posobiec
Oh, maybe they are, Tim.
Maybe they are.
unidentified
Maybe.
Maybe.
jack posobiec
To some of them.
Not all of them.
tim pool
But, to put it simply, I think critical race theory was always there.
Derrick Bell has been saying these things for a long time.
He gave a speech in, like, 2004 talking about how he was defending... It was the 90s.
jack posobiec
I think it was his first book.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
He was defending Plessy v. Ferguson and other ridiculous ideas.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And nobody cared.
Like, it wasn't mainstream.
It wasn't on TV.
It wasn't until social media startups, blog startups, got venture funding.
And it's very, very simple.
At the dawn of social media, when articles started getting posted on Facebook, two companies would emerge.
Legitimate News, Huffington Post and they both start writing articles and
legitimate news articles don't get shared that much but Huffington Post a whole boy
You betcha. So venture capital steps in and says why would I invest in them?
Nobody reads it now They're getting the money and what were they doing many of
these blogs were they realized they could do police brutality
They could SEO racial justice exactly Yeah
And then the ten-year-old kid who gets on Facebook spends their entire existence
only being slammed by all of that content and then the virtue signaling starts and
And now all of their friends are saying, I believe these things too, don't you?
And now they're indoctrinated in a cult.
jack posobiec
Reality winner is always one of my favorite examples of this.
Someone who joins the NSA, becomes a Vicious Air Force, and then But if you went on her Facebook, which nobody talks about,
is she was deeply involved in two things. One was yoga and the other one was Russia gate.
Just everything to do with Russia gate, everything to do with this. And then she finds something at
the NSA that, you know, kind of, sort of, it talks about Russia and Trump loosely. And it's
like an assessment.
It's not even real intel.
But she says, well, I've got to leak this because this proves everything that I've read on Facebook.
tim pool
Right.
jack posobiec
So now I can be this great hero and this heroic person.
And then all of a sudden she learns about like the Department of Justice.
tim pool
Yeah.
That's right.
And she learned about progressive journalists at the Intercept.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
What did they do?
jack posobiec
They published the unredacted... There was... I'd have to go back and look at it, but there was something that they published had enough of identifying information... From the printer, I think.
It was from the printer and they were able to... They looked up who logged in and used it.
They were able to find... Yeah, they were able to find it was her.
Identify her.
tim pool
Alright, let's read some more.
We got Fubidu.
He says, I mean, yeah.
I don't believe America should be the world police.
or anyone else. The Taliban is the government now. They have every right to run the country as they
see fit. It's not our problem unless we want more warmongering.
I mean, yeah, I don't believe America should be the world police. I don't want my tax
dollars going to someone being like, oh, that country is doing things I don't like. We have so
jack posobiec
many rare earth minerals right under American soil that I know next week we're probably going to
come on and talk about that a little bit more. But I just got back from Alaska and I got to tell you
guys, I'm worried about rare earth minerals. Let me tell you a little story about a country
called the United States of America.
And...
And the amount of trillions and trillions of dollars that we have literally under our feet, or not even under our feet, in the vast wastelands of the northern tier of our country that no one is using.
tim pool
Wastelands?
jack posobiec
That there is no, it's literally a wasteland.
I mean, I could show you a picture, you would think it was Afghanistan.
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
If I showed you this picture, but it's, you know, parts of Alaska, parts of Montana, et cetera, Canada as well, by the way, that no one is using, that wildlife doesn't care about, that we are not allowed to touch.
ian crossland
Yeah.
jack posobiec
And so the reason that it matters is because we're beholden to so much of this international economy because of our stupid policies here at home.
If we weren't tied into the international oil market, why should we care what OPEC talks about?
Because we could have energy independence.
But we don't.
So because we reduced our domestic capacity, our domestic supply.
And so now we have to go begging to OPEC to please, please, you know, the oil prices are going too high.
Could you just have a little bit more?
And OPEC tells Biden to shove off.
ian crossland
So we just established nuclear fusion ignition in the lab.
I said that to you last night.
They actually didn't do the fusion.
jack posobiec
When you say we, you don't mean like you and the boys.
ian crossland
I mean, I arrived before you.
jack posobiec
Oh, I missed it.
Oh, man.
ian crossland
I think it was JPL, Lawrence National Livermore National Laboratory, and they established the temperatures needed to produce ignition.
tim pool
Right on.
All right, Black Czar says something that is given has little value.
People prize and take care of what they feel they've earned.
This applies to everyone and everything, even to Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and the presidency.
jack posobiec
I see what you're saying there.
lydia smith
Interesting, yeah.
tim pool
Morgan H says, not sure if that's the look Forrest is going for, but he reminds me of Sergeant Oddball from Kelly's Heroes.
forrest cooper
Haven't seen it, so I don't know.
lydia smith
Yeah, look that up, yeah.
ian crossland
What is it?
tim pool
Someone else superchatted something similar, too.
forrest cooper
Yeah, I haven't seen it, so I don't know.
jack posobiec
He has, like, a shrine to it at home.
unidentified
I mean, it's a Gypsy Walter shirt.
Alright.
tim pool
Kev says, third time's the charm.
Third time asking, perhaps I will rephrase the question.
Tim, ask Forrest about the H&K MP7, how it pertains to the history of recoil magazine, and what they had to do to overcome the cancel culture.
forrest cooper
So that's a long time before me.
But early on in the history of the magazine, there's a line that you're not supposed to cross in the firearms culture.
You're not supposed to tell people they can't have something.
Right?
It's a pretty standard thing.
Now, this is one of those things where I actually get to claim both diplomatic immunity, and I wasn't there, and I kind of don't know about it, because it was like that magazine that came out right before I discovered it.
But as far as I understand, some people were frustrated that somebody said, the MP7 is for the military, not for you.
Now that can be interpreted something like that.
I'd need to read the article again and go back and... It was like an opinion...
Someone was doing a review of the H&K MP7.
H&K, Heckler & Koch, if you're familiar with the company, is notorious for making one thing for the government and something else for the people.
Their entire business model is like, hey, we made it for the Navy SEALs.
We'll sell you a non-Navy SEAL version for like seven grand.
I'm being facetious.
They make really good quality stuff.
But that's what people like to rag on them for that one.
So, a very early edition of Recoil had a review of the MP7, and as far as I understand, somewhere in that somebody claimed something that it was, well, it's only for the military, not for civilian population.
Now, one, I cannot verify it because I don't have it in front of me, but it's a conversation I can have with the other editors.
Two, that's not the position of the company.
So I don't know what happened, and this is a long time before me, but if you're familiar with any controversy that's happened about Recoil Magazine, that was 10, maybe 15 years ago, with a lot of differences.
That was before Ian came on, Ian Harrison's the lead editor, and that guy is somebody where you follow into battle.
He's a good guy to work under.
But even more importantly, Recoil's not unfamiliar with controversy.
This year alone, we put Maj Touré on the cover of our magazine.
In January.
Then we put Chris Cheng on the cover of our magazine.
And Maj Touré is in charge of the organization Black Lives Matter, or Black Guns Matter.
Very big difference.
Black Guns Matter, right?
Dealing with inner-city situations.
Now, there's this sort of left-wing narrative that the gun world and gun culture is all a bunch of old white men.
Like, first of all, you're so wrong, I can't help you.
I just, quite frankly, can't help you.
And also, if that's your opinion of American gun culture, you're not a valuable participant in the conversation.
Because yes, what percentage of the American population is white and male?
How many people own?
Fine, you can go on to something and we're not talking about equity.
Second part, we put Chris Chang on the cover.
Chris Cheng represents the LGBTQ community and he's got both Chinese and Japanese heritage.
And so Chris Cheng is again a really good representative, especially towards different communities within the United States.
In this upcoming edition of Recoil Magazine, which the pre-order has just ended, but if you subscribe you can get it.
Bonnie Rotten is going to be on the cover, and I didn't know who she was because I'm an innocent boy from Minnesota.
unidentified
Oh boy.
forrest cooper
I know, right?
So, Bonnie Rotten is an adult actress who has changed her opinion over the last couple years from being pro-gun control to being pro-Second Amendment rights.
And even in that, and if you want to call yourself, you're going to be in 58.
So you're going to be not in the current magazine that's coming out for recalls, got Bonnie Rotten on the front.
And then the one after that, or yeah, in 58, which is the magazine you're going to be interviewed in that.
ian crossland
Can we put Tim on the cover with a throne, like the Game of Thrones throne, but made out of guns?
forrest cooper
If we can make a throne out of guns.
unidentified
Oh, let's do it.
ian crossland
Oh hey, I confirmed, you do look like Oddball.
It's Donald Sutherland.
lydia smith
Yeah, I looked it up too.
Yeah, looks just like him.
ian crossland
He's wearing a flight cap, which looks like your backwards hat.
unidentified
Alright.
ian crossland
He looks great.
forrest cooper
I look like Oddball.
jack posobiec
I mean, young.
forrest cooper
Hey, you know.
lydia smith
Yeah, you do.
forrest cooper
I could have thought of worse things to be called.
ian crossland
Sutherland's the man.
unidentified
Hey.
tim pool
Alright, Mike G says, Black Swan event equals the massive market correction confirmed by JP Morgan that is coming, aka to the mother of all shorts, that we apes have been talking about for months.
Stoned Krampus says the Black Swan event will be the mother of all shorts from GameStop, short selling.
Super Stonk has the receipts and a DD.
jack posobiec
I actually can throw out that, uh... I agree with that, actually.
unidentified
That makes sense.
jack posobiec
The White House official that sends me stuff from time to time was actually watching the show earlier, and they texted during this and said the Black Swan event is the Biden administration.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh, that's amazing.
jack posobiec
They also wanted me to say that going, the Pentagon right now, the Joint Chiefs, is basically like the intro of Benny Hill, if you just play that over and over.
lydia smith
Yeah, that song, yeah.
jack posobiec
It's pretty much what's going on in the government.
lydia smith
Wacky sax or whatever.
tim pool
All right.
Zymmaru, I hope I'm pronouncing it, Zymmeru.
Forrest, I was thinking about guns as an investment.
Is that a good idea?
If so, what type of guns are the best investment?
lydia smith
Good question.
forrest cooper
If you are purchasing firearms for the first time, start with making sure you have at least a handgun and a carbine that are finished, which is a joke because you're never done building your first gun.
But I do not think it is wise to go out and just say, I'm going to buy 30 of the cheapest Insert gun now and then use that in the future to sell it because first of all you're dealing with legal issues because the idea of purchasing firearms to sell them there is some legality to that and it's muddy and I'm not going to say it's an easy explanation.
You could be purchasing a firearm every month for 30 years and then in 30 years you intend to put it all together into an estate and sell it as a group fine.
There's a legality to that.
So, are guns as an individual item an investment?
Yes and no, and it's not a financial decision that I would have authority over.
However, if I had bought 100,000 rounds in 2015, I would have made a lot of money in 2020.
2015 I would have made a lot of money in 2020.
Or, you know, or, or, you know, depending on what the market is looking at right now,
there are times where you can buy a firearm in 2019 and sell it in 2021 for a profit.
So are guns themselves a good investment?
On the first question, yes, for the sake of your investing into yourself.
You're figuring out what it takes to become lethal, knowing that you have rights and responsibilities.
It builds character, it builds self-responsibility, or self-sustenance, for lack of better words.
It builds autonomy, and those are things worth investing in.
So, now that I'm your life coach, Go buy guns, do the right thing, participate in culture, and then if you want to buy a collection, yeah, you can figure out ways to make money, but it's not as easy as it sounds.
tim pool
There's a great meme I saw.
I can't remember who posted it, so they're gonna get mad at me, but it was a Facebook post where they said, The debate is over.
Go out and get it already.
It keeps you safe.
It keeps us all safe.
It keeps us all safe.
Everybody knows that communities that have gone out and gotten this are safer, they're better protected, and it's the right thing to do.
There's no negative effects.
Accidental effects are extremely rare.
Just shut up already, stop debating, and go buy a gun.
forrest cooper
Yep.
lydia smith
Yep.
jack posobiec
That was my boy BrickSuit.
tim pool
It got me.
I was reading it and I was like, oh jeez, one of these again.
And then it ends like, go buy a firearm.
jack posobiec
And I was like, oh.
tim pool
Expectations subverted.
Alright, let's see.
FightOn777 says, Love you guys!
Can you shout out my recently started non-profit, Troops with Paws?
We provide service dogs to disabled veterans through dog rescues and educate kids about the importance of military working dogs.
Thanks Pozo and Forrest for your service!
Very cool.
Troops with paws.
Sounds cool.
forrest cooper
Reach out to, if you're still listening, reach out to info at recoilweb.com and we'll get connected and perhaps we can do some, we can see what you're doing.
lydia smith
That'd be cool.
tim pool
Cameron says, please discuss the mandatory vaccine counseling already happening in our military.
I know firsthand from my spouse.
He's asked why he won't.
Weekly.
Is that something that's happening?
They're doing counseling or something?
forrest cooper
No, they're kicking you out of the military.
jack posobiec
Or you're being faced with a choice, basically.
tim pool
Is that a medical discharge, or is it dishonorable, or what?
forrest cooper
It'll probably be a medical discharge.
It'll probably be either medical or administrative.
Or maybe even something as simple as early retirement.
jack posobiec
I mean, depending on where you are in your career.
tim pool
Think about the kind of people who will be in the military who are just like, sure, fine, whatever, I don't care, and don't ask the questions.
jack posobiec
I again, like I just said before, you know, I talk about this every day with people in the community.
I have a real good friend at JSOC.
You know, people are saying like, hey, I wanted to serve for another 10 years, another 15 years.
I've got 10 years behind me or however much experience behind me, but I don't want to do this.
And so you're going to lose all of that human capital because of this.
forrest cooper
Look at it in comparison to also what a lot of veterans are feeling with Afghanistan right now.
I invested, I myself invested deployments into Afghanistan.
When we saw pictures and videos of the embassy, I knew that area.
jack posobiec
And the government that employed people like us to go out there, You're I mean, my inbox right now of people who either situations like that or even, you know, worse talking about, you know, my someone I the one I got today was, you know, there I think it was there.
I don't want to get it wrong, but it was there.
Their daughter in law's brother had been killed there, you know, when he had like a five month old kid at home.
forrest cooper
Right. Yeah. I mean, it's those those stories. 11 years and 11
years and 10 days ago, 11 years and 10 days ago, I had a team
leader and a friend get killed. Yeah. Now. You know, I'm this is
no longer this is not for me to carry on them as if like it adds
on to mine.
Because one of them I got along with and one of them I didn't.
And it's not like it was, you know, whatever.
But what I'm saying there is, yeah, there's the tragedy of their, like, what about their sacrifice?
We're still starting to get back into that muddy of, it's kind of an emotional argument.
Because some of us went to war to go see what it was like and see for ourselves firsthand instead of being told by a news apparatus.
But the other part about it is, yeah, some of us know interpreters that their family, their lives are in jeopardy right now, that we worked with them for years and we don't know where they're going.
And this is something that I want to, you know, I don't want to.
jack posobiec
I mean, I think you're OK to say that, though.
It is emotional.
That's what we mean.
And it's very emotional.
And we're a country of people.
forrest cooper
And this is the last part about it that I'll kind of go into this if I can is, you know, to you who are veterans out there who reached out to your friends or to you who are not veterans and reached out to the people you know who spent time in Afghanistan, like collectively thank you.
Because this weekend was hard for a lot of people.
unidentified
Absolutely.
forrest cooper
Because I met, I got phone calls from the wives of friends who are Hardened veterans who have spent 15 years in harsh combat saying, I don't know how to talk to him right now because he doesn't know how to talk about it right now.
Because we all went through this emotional week and we're still going to go through it because we don't have, suddenly we don't have the tools where we can do anything about it.
Right?
I can't get on a helicopter and be like, I can't just say one more deployment, we'll go help those guys out, even though that may not, may be misguided, whatever.
tim pool
Well, that's what they're doing, right?
forrest cooper
Sort of.
I mean, we'll see.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
And that's where, that's where I would personally come down on, by the way, any administration that had conducted this in such a way that was number one, obviously it's chaotic and ridiculous in what they're doing, but also number two, when Biden comes out and says, Oh, well, there wasn't any other choice.
There wasn't any other way to do this.
It's just have a little bit of an outlet for the people that did serve and give them something to show that you understand what they're going through and so that they feel that they have a space where they can come into and have these discussions, you know, something they can fall back on and say, you know, we served for this purpose.
This is why we did this.
This is why we put in those deployments, put in that time away from family, away from however many life events that we had to skip over, the sacrifices that were made both in time and blood and treasure, that it was all for what?
And Joe Biden says, well, you know, there wasn't anything else we could do.
forrest cooper
Yeah, part of the hardest thing for me is that I don't get to go back.
As far as I know, there's not really any clean avenue.
If I were in a situation where I decided I wanted to go back to Afghanistan, I can't.
unidentified
Right?
forrest cooper
I mean, we don't know what the future holds, but... Mostly we don't.
tim pool
100% for it.
Yeah, interesting idea.
unidentified
100% for it.
tim pool
a progressive tax system for corporations based on manufacturing in the US with a backstop
that 5% of deduction can't be deducted unless they are 100% in the states.
jack posobiec
100% for it.
tim pool
Yeah, interesting idea.
jack posobiec
100% for it.
Productionism, baby.
All day long.
Libertarian shuck.
tim pool
I love it when they just jump on me like that.
Alright, let's see.
unidentified
It's the super jump.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Okay.
Oh, okay.
Scott Anderson says, Parts 42, 50 BMGs were found in the wreckage.
Referring to Waco.
Both were in a disassembled state, lacking enough parts to build a fully functional rifle.
They had barrels, but lacked almost everything else.
Interesting.
forrest cooper
They were still used to shoot down a helicopter.
I mean, I believe.
jack posobiec
He said so.
The head of the ATF said so.
forrest cooper
Biden's the trustworthy guy, you know, who lives by the creed of critical race theory, which is definitely a truth finding.
jack posobiec
Biden, whose son certainly follows all gun laws to the letter.
Absolutely.
forrest cooper
These people aren't hypocrites.
They just don't like you.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Rob Ingram says, where's Jack Murphy been?
No Luke, we puke.
No Ian, we peeing.
No Jack, we yak.
jack posobiec
Wait, wait, Ian's right here.
What are you talking about?
forrest cooper
Yeah, Ian's chilling.
lydia smith
Yeah, he's chilling, yeah.
ian crossland
Where's Jack Murphy?
That big muscle-bound hunk.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I think he's just not here.
forrest cooper
Was he adding a third color to his beard?
jack posobiec
He's grooming his beard.
lydia smith
Yeah, he's doing his beard.
unidentified
It's true.
tim pool
Luke is doing, like, survival classes.
jack posobiec
He's doing full rainbow with his beard.
tim pool
And I keep, like, we have all these opportunities for Luke.
I'm like, Luke, hey, we're gonna have this person.
We're gonna have that person.
You gotta come.
You'll be great.
And he's like, oh, I can't.
I can't.
I can't.
He's busy.
He's got the free steak stuff.
jack posobiec
They're all sleeping.
They're all sleeping on their fallacious MyPillows, having used promo code Toso.
ian crossland
Where do I get one of those?
tim pool
No, no.
jack posobiec
Well, if you go to MyPillow.com and you use promo code POSO, P-O-S-O, you can get your very own MyPillow.
This is a king size MyPillow.
They do have smaller ones, but there are different levels of firmness.
lydia smith
I do like that about them.
jack posobiec
I don't actually know which firmness this one is.
Oh, there's a medium.
There's a medium firmness.
tim pool
He brought up my pillow.
unidentified
Once again.
forrest cooper
Well, we'll talk about that pillow afterwards, because the pillow that I'm currently use was stolen from Iraq in 2009.
unidentified
Wow.
forrest cooper
That's an old pillow.
jack posobiec
I can get you a better pillow.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Summer Arbogast says, listen to you every morning on Spotify.
Thank you for letting me know I'm not alone in this.
You got it.
Yeah, Gina Carano tweeted, you are not alone.
But I tell you this, man, with what's going on in New York, the Nazis went for the disabled first.
The Nazis claimed that Jewish people had typhus and that's why they needed to be separated and marked.
And so whenever I bring these things up, you know, first people go, oh Godwin's law, I don't care, I'll violate Godwin's law, which of course for those unfamiliar is that all internet arguments eventually devolve to the point where someone accuses the other person of being a Nazi.
And I tell them, do you think that when the Nazis rose to power, they immediately just snapped their fingers and said, here are the trains, everyone hop aboard?
Or do you think it was, oh, we have to do this because, you know, for this reason, and oh, there's there's disease, we have to, oh, I'm sorry.
And then they were just escalating and ramping up the rhetoric and the other and so anathema tization
jack posobiec
This is the point I was making earlier this week when Arnold Schwarzenegger was doing whatever podcast
He was on and he said screw your freedoms right screw your freedoms
And I made the point of saying that oh did you know I like to do like historical context for people that Arnold Schwarzenegger's
father Right not someone who's like you know
Barely distantly associated with him.
His father was a member of the Brownshirts, a card carrying member of the Nazi Party of Austria, and that eventually served in in the Wehrmacht and was actually wounded in the Battle of Stalingrad.
So he was he was a decorated member of the Nazis.
Right.
And I posted that up.
My post was banned from Instagram for saying that because it said that I was posting about extremist organizations, even though Even though I was simply making a point about Arnold Schwarzenegger and his father, Newsweek comes out, fact-checks the whole thing, and said, to be clear, Arnold Schwarzenegger's father was definitely a Nazi.
tim pool
Now, to be fair, to be fair, I will not condemn someone for the sins of the father.
Nor will I. I'll condemn them for their own sins of saying, screw your freedom.
unidentified
Right, exactly.
jack posobiec
But, the point I was making was, it's like, you know, the apple and the tree kind of situation.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
forrest cooper
To add some utility to Godwin's Law is, if you are dealing with the situation where it is the Nazis, ask yourself, was it wrong because the Nazis did it, or were the Nazis wrong because they did it?
unidentified
Great question.
forrest cooper
I like that.
Because the Nazi, it was the segregation of people that was part of making the Nazis wrong.
So it doesn't matter who does it.
tim pool
It's wrong what they did.
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Do you guys want to shout anything out?
jack posobiec
HumanEvents.com, go to Human Events for all your breaking news, especially on what's going on on the shade war between Joe Biden And the Vice President waiting in the wings, of course.
forrest cooper
And for something a little bit closer to home, RecoilWeb for your firearms, OffGridWeb for anything survival based.
And then if you want to subscribe to any of our magazines, you can do that from those.
And then finally, if you want to follow me personally, my Instagram is at Foxtrot underscore official.
And then we have Recoil and both or both Recoil and OffGrid have their own Instagram pages as well.
jack posobiec
So cool.
ian crossland
Cool.
I want to point out these amazing rocks that Tim procured.
tim pool
That's not a rock.
ian crossland
This is rose quartz.
tim pool
Crystal.
ian crossland
It's crystal.
This is crystal.
I don't know if that's technically a rock or not.
jack posobiec
This is a bad promotion so far.
ian crossland
What is this, pyrite?
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
This is fool's gold, but it's like polished.
Tim took a big crew and went to a rock shop, a local rock Emporium and oh no, it's more magical than that. We went to
tim pool
the mall for no reason and in the dark back corners We discovered a rock store where they had like fossils and
giant quartz spheres. They have something called TV stone It's where they believe that fiber optics were invented
It's a rock with a bunch of like fibers and when you yeah when you take it
It's thick and you put it as a lens. It looks like a TV screen
It pulls the image to the front.
So when you're holding it, you put your finger on the back, you can see the fingertip as if it's like several inches in front of you.
jack posobiec
And so that's the concept for fiber optics.
tim pool
Right, right.
It's amazing.
And they also had optical citrine, I believe it is, or sunstone, that when you put it over, when you look through it, everything doubles and you can spin it and the image moves.
This store was fantastic.
ian crossland
Well, it's all captured on video, uh, Castcastle, the YouTube channel.
It's in the today's vlog, so check it out.
It was incredibly entertaining.
tim pool
We're gonna start doing vlog- we're ramping up to the point where we're doing vlogs every single day, so we've added a whole bunch of people, and, uh, it is not a personal vlog, as some people have tried to argue, because I'm not gonna be at it all that often.
Though I'm in it a lot now, it's basically just the house, and everybody, and, you know, I'm available probably only a few minutes every day to pop in when I do, so we'll see.
One of the things we're planning right now is we're gonna make- we're gonna take fungus bread, With a mushroom.
With fungus-based cheese.
To make a fungus sandwich.
And they have fungus-based ice cream.
So we're gonna do a whole mushroom thing.
ian crossland
Alright.
tim pool
Alright, yeah.
jack posobiec
Let me make sure we're doing that so I can just not be around.
tim pool
Oh no, it's gonna be awesome.
Portobello burger is so good.
jack posobiec
Alright, Portobello.
ian crossland
Follow me at Ian Crossland on the internet.
I'd love to see you.
forrest cooper
I think we just discovered what the Black Swan event is going to be.
jack posobiec
Mushroom food. Mushroom gate.
lydia smith
You guys may follow me at Sour Patch Lids.
Don't follow Sour Patch Kids.
I'm trying to beat them in followers.
I'm really sad that I missed out on this rock shop.
I freaking love going to rock shows.
My favorite rocks are Labradorite, Tanzanite, and Savorite, which you guys should look up if you have a chance.
tim pool
I think we have Labradorite.
ian crossland
It's gorgeous.
lydia smith
One of my favorites.
tim pool
You weren't with us, were you?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
No, somebody was like, Labradorite!
We saw the rock shop, and Andreas was like, Moldavite!
And they were like, we have Moldavite.
It's a meteorite.
ian crossland
And so we got... I hear good things.
tim pool
They have a bunch of meteorite, and I asked the guy, how much meteorite would I need to craft a sword?
And it looked like I smacked him.
He was like, oh, you'd have to destroy so much meteorite to do that.
And I was like, okay, okay, I won't buy...
Tens of thousands of dollars a meteorite to craft a sword.
lydia smith
So before I go, I know we're trying to wrap up here, but my favorite author actually was knighted by the Queen and he made his sword out of a meteorite so that she can knight him.
It's very cool.
tim pool
Crazy.
All right, everybody smash that like button.
Don't forget to go to TimCast.com because we will see you all in the members only segment coming up at about 11 or so p.m.
So thanks for hanging out.
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