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Timcast IRL - Political Op Claims "DNA Evidence" Ilhan Omar Married Her Brother w/Ben Weingarten
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Ben, did Ilhan Omar marry her brother?
ben weingarten
KATHRYN The evidence speaks for itself.
Bottom line.
tim pool
So you're saying you think yes.
ben weingarten
She won't speak about it.
Right.
She will call you an Islamophobic bigot as is her want in the kind of progressive or bigot binary.
She uses that as a shield and a weapon to go after anyone who would dare Seek out the truth.
But look, like... You wrote a book about her, didn't you?
I did.
I wrote a book called American Ingrate is the Least Provocative Title I Can Think Of.
tim pool
Alright, alright.
We'll get into all that.
I just had to open with that because we have this story that I don't... Look, it's a guy making a claim, right?
This is a crazy, crazy story.
A political operative has claims that they have DNA evidence they got from Ilhan Omar's cigarette that proves she married her brother.
Well, I don't know about all that.
I think there's a whole bunch of other circumstantial evidence that, you know, gives you pause.
To the extent that even the Star Tribune, which is a Pulitzer Prize winning paper in Minnesota, they said that this man was possibly her brother.
Like, they actually entertained the possibility.
I'm not... We'll talk about the story, but this work, it's crazy.
12 hours, I guess, after the dude releases this supposed DNA evidence, he gets arrested on a federal indictment for child trafficking.
Now, I'm not sure I trust this guy, but innocent until proven guilty, although it's a pretty crazy allegation, and I'll tell you this, grand juries don't happen overnight.
So if this was 12 hours after he released this, they must have been going after him for some time now.
We'll read the story.
It's a crazy story.
We got a bunch of other news.
We got 63 people from Obama's birthday party got COVID, I guess.
And so, yeah, there you go.
But Lollapalooza seemed to be fine.
And, man, parents are fighting with teachers and school board over mask mandates and stuff's getting creepy.
And then we got Afghanistan.
We got a whole bunch of news.
And, you know, we're going to round it off with something really interesting culturally.
Suicide Squad.
Have you seen it yet?
It's bombing.
And it's crazy to all these people saying it was a great movie, but we're not here to talk necessarily about the pop culture elements of the movie, although I'd love to do that too.
Something's happening to our culture.
It's like movies don't matter anymore.
Like it's a fracture.
And now you got Joe Biden.
Discussing mandatory vaccinations for interstate travel.
What would happen to this country if they implement something like that?
Fractures in two seconds.
So, obviously, Ben, do you want to introduce yourself?
Because I already, you know, put you on the spot.
ben weingarten
Would that lead in?
Yeah, don't associate me with Ilana Omar, please.
But that said, yeah, Ben Weingarten, I'm a deputy editor at Real Clear Investigations, a senior contributor at The Federalist, I write for Newsweek, Epoch Times, and a whole bunch of other places, frequently about US-China policy, but also the kind of woke, I call it an anti-cultural revolution, that we're going through.
Part of that that I've been focused on a lot lately is January 6th, all things around January 6th, and how that is sort of Yeah.
the essential event that all of the scaffolding has been built around to engage in the kind of
war on wrong think that we're seeing play out in every single sphere of American society today.
So all sorts of fun, very optimistic and positive stuff.
tim pool
Right on. We got Ian Schilling.
ian crossland
When I, when I learned, started to learn about the Reichstag in Hitler's Nazi Germany, early days of Nazi Germany, where the Reichstag, their parliament building burned down and, and they, he blamed the communists and then used that as authority to ban civil rights, take away people's rights, and then start going after people.
So I'm very, very like on edge about these kinds of things like this January 6th thing.
tim pool
It makes me very... The Enabling Act.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
You got to watch out for, for Swift pointing at something and then doing a bunch of laws as a result.
tim pool
Man, it's sad because it seems like people don't learn.
ben weingarten
The national security apparatus has, for years, been talking about domestic violent extremists, and specifically, you know, they'll use a million different adjectives, but white nationalists, right-wing white supremacists, etc.
And they didn't have an event that they could glom onto to accelerate what they already would have wanted to achieve in terms of targeting their political adversaries and then using that to increase their power over them.
This was a precipitating event, but the thing is, every element of the narrative around January 6th has really collapsed.
It's a joke to think that it was an insurrection.
These people were not going to... No one's been charged with it.
The crimes are, for the most part, and there were people who did egregious things, no question about it, and, you know, there's reports of, you know, an officer had his eye gouged and all sorts of other horrible assaults and the like.
But the majority of the charges put out against the almost 600 people now were basically glorified trumped up trespassing charges.
And the only person who died, of course, relating to the event specifically was Ashley Babbitt being shot.
It wasn't Officer Sicknick getting bludgeoned with a fire extinguisher.
tim pool
Did not happen.
ben weingarten
It did not happen.
I want to add one more thing that a lot of our listeners have already heard me say, but just for you.
to what happened during the George Floyd riots or even you compare it to the 2017
there was inauguration riots in DC that people don't really talk about a lot
which I actually might serve as a template for how the government tries to
go after the J6 people. I want to add one more thing that a lot of our listeners
tim pool
have have already heard me say but just for you did you know that civics polling
shows that Democrats think the economy is doing fairly well?
You laugh because it's like wow what?
The consumer price index is higher than it's been in 13 years.
The job openings are escalating.
Four million people resigned.
Gas prices are through the roof.
The people who follow the media, they watch CNN.
If they heard what you just said right now about January 6th, they'd be like, he's lying.
Because they don't actually know what's happening in the real world.
But we'll get into all this stuff.
We got Lydia over here.
She's pressing buttons.
lydia smith
I am pressing buttons in the corner.
And the J6 stuff is really interesting to me as well, because I was watching a segment, I think it was from MSNBC earlier today, where they were saying that not only was January 6th an insurgency, we're all insurgents.
Like, conservatives are insurgents.
I'm like, that's probably not a good thing to introduce into the dialogue, but I'm hoping we can get into some of that stuff.
ben weingarten
And you need a counterinsurgency policy to take out the insurgents.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, man.
War on domestic terror.
That's right.
lydia smith
I'm excited.
tim pool
I'm honored, because apparently there was a hit piece that claimed I was the most dangerous political commentator, as they said, on the right, because I feign impartiality, but I'm anything but.
And it's really funny, because, like, is that you saying you actually don't have anything to criticize me over my political opinions?
Because it seems like I'm mostly just about letting people live their own lives.
ian crossland
I mean, there's a real value to neutral authority.
I think that's, you know, if anything, if you're pioneering neutrality and authority, that's valid and useful.
tim pool
It's not so much about neutrality.
It's about, like, you know, people standing up for their individual liberties and things like that, you know?
ben weingarten
The thing is, one person's individual liberty is another person's assault on everyone else.
tim pool
Yeah, but those are crackpots.
Like, if you're saying, you know, I wanna have, like, my own space to live and do my thing and defend myself, and then someone says, you shouldn't be allowed to have a weapon to defend yourself in your own home, it's like, well, now you're intruding on someone's home.
It's the same argument when they say, when they were talking about, you know, gay marriage and stuff back in the day, when they were like, what people do in their own home is their business.
I'm like, that's right, if you got a gun and a bazooka, I don't care.
Just don't bring it over to my property.
Like, I don't want that on my property, but if you wanna have that in your place, I don't care, whatever.
ben weingarten
What's changed is that there were people who you would say liberal and truly left liberal, not classical liberal.
But it used to be in this country, I think a strong majority would have said live and let live.
We disagree on a whole host of different issues.
However, we have a few things that we agree on that transcend all of them.
Now, it's, you either agree with us, or we're going to send an invading army, digital or otherwise, against you.
tim pool
Well, it's like, it's like Mayogate, you know?
Where the, where the regular guy just made a comment about, my prices are going up, and then all these, these leftist publications are sending a harassment campaign his way.
It's crazy.
Well, let's get, let's jump to the news.
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It's Friday night.
We like to be weird on Fridays.
From the Daily Mail.
Exclusive!
Is this the proof that Ilhan Omar married her own brother to bypass U.S.
immigration rules?
Conservative group's DNA test from Congresswoman Cigarette Butt purports to show 99.99% match to her second husband, Ahmed Elmi.
And so they show this photo of Ilhan Omar smoking a cigarette.
And I guess that's supposed to be proof that big tent Republican PAC, I guess, secured the cigarette after the fact and then did a DNA test on it.
And then you end up with this DNA sibling ship report, which is claiming, what do they say?
It's like a 99.
Okay, they say the result of the test assert that there is a 99 point Oh man, I'm gonna read this.
999998% chance that Omar and her second husband, Ahmed Elmi, are siblings.
The report drawn up by Endeavor DNA Laboratories does not name either Omar or Elmi, instead referring to them as sibling 1 and sibling 2.
It says that sibling 1's sample was garnered from a cigarette butt, and sibling 2's from a drinking straw.
You know what's really funny?
Is that we talked about this, like, a year or so ago, where it was like, we were joking, because there's an episode of Law & Order, where, like, they're trying to bust this guy, and they can't get the evidence, and then he drinks from a coffee and then throws the cup in the dumpster, or, like, into a trash, and they walk up and pick it up with, like, tongs, and they're like, discarded materials, and they're like, hey, you can't do that!
And then they get the DNA evidence, and I was like, what if somebody just, like, found an old snot rag and then ran DNA and proved it?
I'm not sure I believe, you know, people went out and actually did this.
I think it's kind of outlandish.
I don't know what else someone would do, like, if you're trying to prove this.
But I'll tell you where it gets really, really crazy.
Here's what they say.
The test was posted online by Anton Lazaro, a Republican strategist in Minneapolis, on Wednesday.
Around 12 hours later, Lazaro was arrested on federal child trafficking charges.
Trafficking.
Sorry, it doesn't say child.
I'm being careful because it's YouTube.
Trafficking.
But they did say under 18 was part of it.
So it's trapped, yeah.
Oh no, okay, it does say child, right.
Child trafficking, people under 18.
He's currently, he is now in custody awaiting a hearing on Monday.
I wonder how many people are screaming it's a conspiracy.
He was about to bust Ilhan Omar, or maybe he's a shady guy and he does shady things,
and this is complete BS evidence.
I guess outside of any of these DNA claims, there's circumstantial evidence that leads many people to believe she married her brother because it was to get him in the country, right?
ben weingarten
Yeah, it was an immigration thing, and then he got to go to school, and so you have multiple layers of potential fraud in terms of the immigration fraud, the student loan fraud, and probably other misrepresentation as well, and the circumstantial evidence is very compelling here.
tim pool
Let's jump to that, but first I want to show people, listen.
I am not saying I know anything definitively.
I'm saying people have made these assertions.
There have been bits of circumstantial evidence to the point that Star Tribune, a Pulitzer Prize-winning paper reported on June 23rd, 2019.
New documents revisit questions about Rep.
Ilhan Omar's marriage history.
Although she has legally corrected the discrepancy, she has declined to say anything about how or why it happened, they say.
New investigative documents released by a state agency have given fresh life to lingering questions about the marital history of Rep.
Ilhan Omar and whether she once married a man, possibly her own brother, to skirt immigration laws.
Now, if there was... I'll say this, either Star Tribune is extremely reckless...
By saying it was possibly her brother?
Or there is circumstantial evidence many people have seen which say, yeah, that might have been her brother, right?
ben weingarten
And also the Star Tribune is sort of the House Democrat Party paper in the area.
They were very favorable towards Ilhan Omar the whole way.
I mean, she was like the perfect progressive.
Sort of avatar for Minneapolis.
So yeah, you go in you can look at the marriage certificate You can look at the addresses that she was living in with the alleged brother-husband at the same time her actual Husband was living in like the same place, you know, you can run through all of these different threads two things jump out at me though and one of the reasons I wrote this book is because The brother-husband thing was like the least of the potential issues that I saw in her.
I said if you actually look at her on the merits, the regressive ideology that she harbors, the fact that she was sitting on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, which she still sits on, and if you applied the Russian collusion standard or any collusion standard to her, links, ties, coordination with foreign adversaries, what I found and sort of the starting point for the book was She has ties to Erdogan in Turkey.
Substantial ties.
When she was a state legislator, she had a meeting with Erdogan on the sideline of the UN General Assembly.
tim pool
What state legislator from Minnesota has a... Remember when she said we should sanction Israel because of human rights abuses, but then said sanctioning Turkey would be a human rights abuse?
A lot of people were like, hey... Does she speak the language, Turkish?
ben weingarten
She doesn't, I don't believe she speaks the language, but she is featured in Turkish state media all the time.
She's had meetings with several dignitaries from Turkey, always taking a pro-Turkish line.
Turkey has relations with, close relations with Somalia, so I do think that that is a part of this as well, that she is pro-Turkish in large part because of that.
And that's not even to get into all of the domestic Islamist groups and individuals.
tim pool
The anti-Semitism?
ben weingarten
Oh yeah, we didn't even get to that.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
So this is what bugs me about, and this is a problem with the Democratic Party at large.
Ilhan Omar did what I would refer to as crop-dusting anti-Semitism.
You know, like, crop-duster planes get, like, real close to the ground, but they don't touch it?
So she was saying, like, you know, she said it's all about the Benjamins.
She said, you know, like, dual loyalties and stuff like that.
And those are typically more... Those tropes are used more aggressively in direct anti-Semitic attacks.
So she didn't directly make it about being Jewish, but she, you know, she crop-dusted the ideas.
And it got a lot of people angry.
And instead of doing anything about it, The Republicans are like, we don't want none of that.
that. A lot of people think she was overtly anti-Semitic.
They just say, we're going to denounce all forms of bigotry and she's allowed to keep her
position and do whatever she wants.
The Republicans would set their own on fire in two seconds like they've done with Marjorie
Taylor Greene. It was, was it Steve King I think? He made that tweet about white nationalism.
They kicked him out immediately and then he lost his primary. Because Republicans are
like, we don't want none of that. The Democrats though, they're like, who cares? You know,
when, I'll tell you this, it's because of the media.
Because, and there's another thing here, it's why Republicans care more about the opinion of the New York Times than the opinion of their constituents.
Because the Republicans know, if they fart, it'll be the headline paper on the New York Times, and the Democrats know they can do and say basically anything, and the papers will not cover it.
ian crossland
You got AOC being able to tweet it out, and it's more popular than the New York Times.
Like, she has 6 million followers, I think?
tim pool
No, no, she has like 12 or 13.
ian crossland
12 million followers on Twitter alone!
ben weingarten
Part of the thesis of the book was that the closing ranks around Omar to go from explicitly condemning Omar and her remarks to we're going to explicitly condemn bigotry of any kind that anyone has ever said and not name her in the House resolution or resolutions around it.
That was the turning point which showed you that the Democrat Party is all in and embracing the regressive progressives because either they think that that's where the party is going and that's where the power is or the party's already there.
And I was writing this a couple years ago and they're there, I would say.
ian crossland
Right.
ben weingarten
Now, the other thing worth noting, just on the media point briefly, tangentially, is why is it always that it's just the Daily Mail that reports on Hunter Biden and Ilhan Omar?
Notice how there are no domestic publications that ever delve into any of these things?
I mean, with rare exceptions.
It's, you know, the New York Post, obviously, with Hunter Biden.
But that said, why do you have to go to the Daily Mail to get your news about Ilhan Omar?
Isn't that kind of strange?
tim pool
Yeah, you know, what's fascinating, too, is Daily Mail's not bad.
The left hates them, and they're always acting like it's fake news or whatever, but they typically have some of the most comprehensive breakdowns of news stories.
You'll find they have 4,000 or 5,000 words on a single story that The Hill will have 300 on.
And then they'll attach, you know, related stories with, like, background information.
I'm rather impressed by that.
ian crossland
It's a British company?
unidentified
Daily Mail?
tim pool
Daily Mail, yeah.
It's Murdoch, too, right?
lydia smith
I think so.
ben weingarten
I think so.
And they had people on the ground.
For Ilhan Omar, there were, like, three journalists in the country, maybe, who were looking at her, and they were dogged in covering the Omar beat.
ian crossland
I was a big fan of Al Jazeera, getting my Middle East news, because I would read a lot of American propaganda, and then I'd go and read Al Jazeera and see like, oh, there's a lot more going on than what I'm getting fed by the American media.
tim pool
Mainstream media is, what's the word I'm thinking of?
Refuse?
lydia smith
Debris.
tim pool
Flotsam?
ian crossland
Most of it.
It's confusing, because there's like bits of gold in the sewage, and you're like, how do I get it out?
ben weingarten
But it's so effective, though.
The hysteria, and I'm sure we'll talk about the coronavirus stuff, but the... Oh, yeah.
Hysteria engendered around it where we were talking before the show that it's sort of like in 9-11 after 9-11 people watching the TV every day and I remember that I was a kid and I remember being glued to it every day and you can see how people get whipped up to the point where we're talking about potentially mandating an experimental use drug whatever you think about it and you might think it's the greatest thing in the world or you might be skeptical of it Mandating, at the point of a government gun, figuratively, injecting yourself with an emergency use anything that hasn't been tested over a long period of time.
And that's just normal in 2021 America.
tim pool
Well, the worrying thing about that is just mandating something that a doctor could say you can't get.
Like, you go to your doctor and the doctor says, I recommend no, because you have underlying medical conditions.
And now what, now you can't go to the movies anymore?
Apparently.
lydia smith
Me, yep.
tim pool
San Francisco and New Orleans and New York, I think one of the city.
So yeah, I mean, it's been, it's been, you know what it is though, it's not necessarily the media, it is, but there's another component, it is the Tribal cult-like mentality these people have.
It's authoritarianism, right?
It's this strict adherence to the collective.
And so, if the mass says so, they will just do it, they will, they want it, and they have their brown shirts, right?
So it's like with, you know, Mayogate, we're calling it.
They know that it's sarcastic terrorism, I guess that's what they call it, right?
They like to accuse the right of doing it.
The idea is that Trump would come out and say something like,
oh, won't someone rid me of this priest, and then someone would go do it.
He never directed them to do it.
The idea is that if you say a bunch of things enough, people will just take action.
So you don't overtly tell people to do it.
In this instance, this is exactly what's happening with the left.
They'll come out and say, look at these restaurants, they're liars, they're evil, they're far right, because they know someone will then go attack them.
And I've heard so many stories like this from conservatives, where they're like, they'll get a smear piece, next thing they know their phone's ringing off the hook, they're getting kicked off social media, they've got people showing up at their houses.
This has been going on for some time, and I'll tell you, it's like the rules for radicals, man.
They accuse the Republicans and the right and the anti-establishment of doing exactly what they do.
They project that because it's an effective offense.
Then when you come back, and there's like a regular person not paying attention, you say, look, look what they're doing.
They'll be like, they said you were doing that first.
And so then they just, they get away with it.
ian crossland
That tendency to believe the first thing you hear.
If you hear a bunch of information, it's a lot of times it's the first one you hear that's like codes the mind, you know, the mental pathways, and then there it is.
ben weingarten
Also, no one sees the correction.
They always see the story that gets spun out and then repeated a trillion times, and the lie told a trillion times before you get to the truth.
Well, what's gonna win?
tim pool
I'll give you a really good example of how this manifests in real life.
Whoever calls the police first tends to win.
So if Ian and I get into a fight, and then I call the police, I say tends to because it doesn't always work that way, and then I say, hey, I need help, this guy did this.
When the cops show up, and then I give a statement, I'm the one who called, I have the benefit of the doubt.
There's actually, uh, con artists exploit this.
Well, what you do is... I don't want to get into the full tricks.
I think we've talked about it before, but con artists will do a trick where they will call the police on you and then get the cops to rob you for them.
Because you called the cops, the cops will typically... So there's some information gathering you need first.
There's some tricks, which I'm not going to explain because I don't want anyone to go and do this.
But yes, one of... a very common hustle is to call the police on somebody The cops will then search the person, and then give over their possessions to you.
ian crossland
That's wild.
tim pool
Yep, yep, yep.
Whoever calls the cops first wins.
I've been in- I've been in- I've had this- I've personally experienced situations like this.
Where I've been the victim of a crime, but they turned my phone off, and then called the police on me, and then the cops came and arrested me.
ian crossland
They call it appeal to authority?
Is that an argument tactic?
tim pool
The cops tell me, like, what are we supposed to do?
Every time we show up, arrest both people?
And I'm like, I called the cops first, but they turned my phone off.
They took my phone.
They hung up on it.
They canceled it.
And then they called and the cops came and arrested me.
ben weingarten
And this is exactly how Ilhan Omar has survived thus far.
With that exact tactic.
tim pool
Calling the cops first?
Or just like, what do you mean?
ben weingarten
I'm joking.
I'm saying I was too much of a straight man there to make it land properly.
tim pool
But I mean, like, there's an element of that in the media.
That's a thing, right?
So the Democrats will be like, the Republicans are extremist terrorists.
Then Antifa goes around smashing and destroying everything and they say, well, it's self-defense because the Republicans are terrorists.
ben weingarten
Also, I mean, leftist ideology has lent itself historically to being I like to use some of these analogies.
point of a gun imposing your belief because there's coercion that's necessarily built
into it.
If you won't go along, we're going to have to make you go along.
And it's for your own good also, by the way.
I mean, who's ever heard of limited government, live and let live people having bloody anti-cultural
revolutions?
Has that ever existed in the history of mankind?
I don't think so.
tim pool
Well, I like to use some of these analogies.
Why is it that conservatives are more likely to get banned on social media?
If I told you that Dave Rubin would be rallying a bunch of black clad masked far right extremists
to Twitter HQ and would be smashing out windows and stuff, would you believe it?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
No, of course not.
Joke.
But if I told you that Antifa, some left-wing organizers, were going to be showing up with molotovs and crowbars to Twitter HQ, would you believe it?
Yeah, of course.
So what do you think Jack Dorsey thinks when he's got his finger over the ban button?
He's like, I could ban the right all day and night, they ain't gonna do anything about it.
I'd ban one leftist and they'll show up here with a brick.
Nah, I don't wanna deal with that.
Plus, they're in the Bay Area, so they're like, the last thing we need is all these people storming the camp.
Just get rid of the conservatives.
But not to mention, they're in the Bay Area, they probably agree with Antifa to a great extent.
ben weingarten
Yeah.
There's also, I feel like, a little bit of a self-loathing element to it, too.
Like, how do they reconcile their leftism with their material success and, like, all the trappings that they have?
There's probably a deep-seated psychological—not that I have any expertise in this, and maybe that'll get me banned.
But that said, I do think that the deep-seated, narcissistic, psychological part of it is probably discounted to an extent it shouldn't be.
tim pool
Let's talk about this story too.
Also, an exclusive from the Daily Mail.
At least 63 people on Martha's Vineyard have tested positive for COVID-19 since Barack Obama's maskless 60th birthday bash, the most cases on the island since April.
So I don't know if all of these people were at his party, to be fair.
It's just on the island, but the island is not particularly big.
This is a great story.
Oh, I love it.
Obama was like, I'm scaling back my party.
It's still ridiculously massive.
Celebrities are showing up.
Erykah Badu is posting selfies.
No one's wearing masks.
And I'll tell you, you... Man, you could go to church and they call it a super spreader event.
You actually had, you know, Cuomo in New York shutting down churches.
This is the perfect example.
I mean, I don't understand how... No, no, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I get it.
Regular people.
They'll see the news about Black Lives Matter protesting in the thousands.
And then they're told, don't worry.
According to the University of Colorado, it may have actually reduced the spread of COVID.
That's right.
Thousands of people standing shoulder to shoulder.
Oh, yeah, because other people didn't want to go outside.
But there's literally thousands of people outside right now.
What are you talking?
And people see that.
I think there's people who love it.
Authoritarians just love brutalizing people.
And then you have regular people who are scared of being brutalized.
So when they see these stories, they're just like, I better just say nothing, otherwise they'll come for me.
And that's the problem we face.
You know, when it comes to that restaurant that was being harassed, They don't want to be politically active, and I can get that.
I can understand why, but this is your warning, man.
ian crossland
Yeah, if you're using American money, you're politically active whether you want to be or not.
ben weingarten
You may not want war, but war wants to find you.
That's where it is ideologically.
Where we are right now, I think, is there was a time where you could disagree and that was it, but now it's you can't disagree.
You have to go along with us.
It's all about... And also, are your ideas so great if you have to be coercive and impose them on other people and you can't win with persuasion or argumentation?
Yet, of course, words are violence, but actual violence is not violent.
ian crossland
I found that if you disagree and just say, I don't believe it, no, they get really mad.
But if you offer a counterpoint that's very intuitive, often, especially in a one-on-one situation, they're receptive to it.
But in the hordes, in the masses, things can start to change.
When you're dealing with crowds, that's a little more difficult.
tim pool
This is a very creepy authoritarian time, right?
Barack Obama announces his birthday party basically in defiance of all CDC regulation, and they don't bat an eye.
ian crossland
Shout out to Barack Obama for exercising his First Amendment right to congregate.
lydia smith
And then it's over, baby.
tim pool
That's right.
ben weingarten
It's been that way the whole time, though.
It's rules for me, not for thee.
And I do think at a deep level, it's sort of just like thumbing their nose at the little people.
And also, by the way, I mean, there's so many different knock on effects to how this has increased the power of what I'll, you know, cliche, use the term ruling class, like all of the major corporations, many major corporations massively increase their market share during this time where mom and pop Companies got destroyed.
You got forced into living remotely and then using Zoom, you know, a Chinese product, of course.
But even leaving that aside, we're in this atomized existence where everything is digital.
So now you're using technologies of people who hate your guts and are going to collect infinitely more information on you as a consequence.
You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist or not.
This is just what has happened.
And then, you know, going out and, oh, I'm going to go on a vacation or wherever.
I'm going to have a party, maskless, right, you know, just before we put the mask mandate in.
tim pool
I'll tell you what it is.
The elites are gathering up as much silverware as they can before the ship sinks.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
So we hit the iceberg.
There's still some time to get to the lifeboat.
They saw that hit and they said, grab as much as you can on the way out.
And they're gonna grab as much as they can because that is them running to the lifeboat before anyone else can.
And then leave and see you later everybody.
ian crossland
I think it's even more insidious because it seems like they're moving our industry into these Chinese corporations that are using slave labor and they're just like, whatever.
tim pool
They steered us into the iceberg!
They steer us into the iceberg and then laugh and then jump on the boat and leave.
ben weingarten
The question at the end of the day is, so I think that China is the greatest foreign threat that we face, although I think that we are our own worst enemy right now.
If you're a self-loathing country, if you're a country that says, forget about merit, forget
about what an individual brings to the table, we're going to divide each other on a million
different bases and be at each other's throats all the time and basically celebrate mediocrity
as opposed to excellence and repudiate everything that we're built on, that'll kill us well
before China even gets to us.
We'll do their job for them.
But that said, with the elites, they're now emulating China.
They've kowtowed to China for decades because they think, well, if we get entered in this
marketplace, you know, massive profits for us.
And China, of course, has played us like a fiddle on that count.
But now it's more of the emulation of like the American social credit system or the social credit system with American characteristics and the blending of big tech and the state and using that power together.
tim pool
I think, you know how I would describe what's going on with the U.S.
elites in China?
It's kind of like, you know, a vampire.
And this guy meets the vampire and he's like, I want the power of the vampire so I can, you know, take power over all the people.
And they're like, we can grant you this power, but you will be subservient to us.
And so these elites are like, this is my in.
Because in China, when you're in the party, you're set for life.
No stress.
Because I'll tell you this.
In America, you're on a treadmill.
And if you're walking, you're standing still.
If you stop walking, you'll move backwards.
You gotta keep running to get ahead.
Not when you're in the Chinese Communist Party.
When you're in an authoritarian regime, you can finally sit back and say, I am secure in my power, within reason.
You still have to, you know, do work.
But man, it's hard.
With competition, it is so hard.
You know, I remember when I was first starting in this industry, I had a guy tell me when I was 25, he was like, it's really great right now, everybody loves you, and they're praising you for all the work you're doing, and by the time you're in your 30s, there's gonna be some young kid who develops some new technique and some new tech, and you're gonna be chasing after him, and he's gonna be rising, and you're gonna be worried about your business going down, and I'm like, well, you know, we'll see, but I get the idea, right?
The idea that there's always someone at your heels.
So what these political elites, both Republicans and Democrats, are like,
how do we just finally secure power in a way we don't have to worry about it anymore?
Sell out to China.
ian crossland
Too bad, because what you did was worked harder and then hired those guys.
tim pool
But what they're doing is, they're They're tired of playing this game, right?
What do they do?
Every few years it's phone call, phone call, phone call, raise money, raise money.
Oh, could you imagine?
I imagine there's some like Chinese communist guy and he's like sitting there with Mitch McConnell or whoever
and he's like, you know, you wouldn't have to do any of this fundraising
if you just joined the communist party or made one.
And the Republican or Democrat, they're like, really?
It's like, that's right.
You would just have the power forever.
ian crossland
Two-year term?
What is going on?
These people are in Congress for life?
After five years, they get pensions for life?
ben weingarten
Come on!
Except for the occasional purges, you know, where a couple million get thrown in jail every now and again.
That's the one challenge that they have to deal with in their system.
I agree, though.
tim pool
Real quick, I don't know if that pension for life thing is true.
ian crossland
Oh, really?
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah, we'll have to look it up.
ben weingarten
I think an element of this is, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, there is the theory that China is just going to overtake us and so better to get on board with China and kowtow to them because you think that you'll maybe be one of the benighted party members someday.
However, of course, it's those useful idiots who are the first ones that get lined up and shot in any revolution.
And so there's that, and then also domestically, let's say the woke ideology overtook every single institution, which it already has to a large extent, and they really ended up with their ideal endgame according to their tenets, who would want to live in a country like that?
The elites, they might be behind 50-foot walls with private security guards around them and stuff, but they can't send their kids to school?
How is your life going to function?
So I think it's short-sighted that authoritarian instinct ultimately is going to end up in a very I mean, a disastrous situation for them and their families.
tim pool
Remember John Cena?
Speaking Mandarin in an apology?
ben weingarten
Pathetic.
tim pool
That says everything.
These people have already been lining up at the door for China, for the money.
You've got the NBA, you've got the video game companies.
Anybody who's like, I'm sorry, man, I have a rather negative view of where this country's
headed because it's been decades now where we've been,
as Ian pointed out, sending away our manufacturing base, our industry, the core of this country,
being extracted and sent off overseas, not just to China, but other countries as well,
and even Mexico.
That's been happening for so long.
Trump tries turning that around to a great deal, and he succeeded in many ways,
and they weaponize the media institutions to crush it.
ben weingarten
You notice the greatest attacks on Trump usually came from the national security
and foreign policy and intelligence apparatus, and those were the areas
where he was upsetting the apple cart probably to a greater degree than anywhere else.
They really, they didn't, yes, they hated a million different things about him.
They hated him aesthetically, I think he graded on them.
But they also really hated the fact that he threatened their power and privilege because he tried to undo the establishment, progressive, Wilsonian, however you want to describe it, national security and foreign policy.
He was a threat.
They perceived him as a threat to their power and privilege.
tim pool
The people who are voting in more of the Uniparty.
And I don't just mean Democrats.
It's like McConnell saying we need more troops in Afghanistan.
There are a lot of populist right individuals now who are running that we're going to see in the midterm, which is really a cause for optimism.
But the Unoparty itself, like look, the neocons fled to the Democratic Party when Trump got elected, and then all of a sudden the Democrats became that tower or whatever.
I just think it's hilarious, the idea that you have people voting in their own destruction while thinking they're not, thinking they're the ones who aren't, they're not paying attention.
And it's funny, when you look at the polls, independent voters and Republican voters think the economy is doing bad.
Well, I think by most metrics, they would be correct.
The Democrats think the economy is doing fairly good, which by most metrics makes literally no sense, unless you're in a cult.
Isn't that funny?
But what the media is able to do is they're able to point to the fringest of Trump supporters to claim that represents all of, you know, everyone, anyone who's anti-Democrat or anti-establishment is that one small fringe of the diehard Trump supporter, you know.
And then you get these people that are effectively voting in their own serfdom.
This is what I think.
I think it's kind of funny.
Like in the end, I don't think I don't think necessarily... Well, let me put it this way.
I'm not worried.
I'm not worried about myself.
I think if the country falls apart, if we end up with some, you know, internal conflict, civil conflict, or something like that, it would suck really bad.
I think China would then easily just sweep across, crush our allies, take over everything, and become the dominant empire.
And that seems to be, like, what will happen, considering what's happening in this country.
And I know that I will survive.
I'm confident in my abilities.
I've been homeless before.
I'm not all that worried.
I think it'll be an adventure.
But I'll tell you, these people in the cities are gonna cry.
A deep cry.
They will sob.
They sob.
They've never sobbed before.
If they only could see the future as to what they are going to bring to their countrymen, to the men and women of this nation, Man, I'm not gonna pretend like a voting Republican gets you out of the problem either.
It's like the Republicans are the speed bump, the Democrats are the ones setting fire to the building in the first place.
So I don't know what you do, but I think when all the bricks come tumbling down, I don't know, life will suck for the most part.
Mostly conservatives will probably be fine.
ian crossland
Urban liberals will probably be in very serious... I don't know if that's even safe to say, because if we're really headed towards what you're talking about... Okay, if you play Fallout, the theme is 2060, there's a war between America and China.
I'm worried about that.
A nuclear war.
Then I'm worried about an artificial intelligence war, a robot war, where they have drones flying around, patrolling the skies, shooting at anything that moves.
People are running from building to building all over Earth.
That's very, and then no one, no human at that point will be safe.
That's very likely.
If we don't get our stuff together right now as a race, that is very possible as a future option.
tim pool
We're going that route, man.
ian crossland
We're going many routes at once, but that is one of them.
tim pool
The drones in the sky, AI seeking out, you know, Skynet and stuff.
Maybe not too farfetched considering what they already have with the, you know, the Reaper drones and stuff like that.
But I, so maybe, I don't think they have enough of them for a country as large as the United States.
ian crossland
But they can make drones that can make drones.
If when A.I. is working 24 7 and doesn't get tired.
tim pool
Someone has to bring the noise to them. It's not it's not that simple.
ian crossland
We don't know.
tim pool
Maybe maybe in 30 to 50 years we might have the infrastructure for
look someone's got to mine the materials.
ian crossland
But 10 years go by and then it's only 20 to 40 years.
And then another 10 years go by.
When we what have we done.
tim pool
When we can solve the mining problem of how we got humans and sulfur mines and things like that, then there'll be a big change.
For the time being, it's a human task.
ian crossland
They'll probably be mining asteroids.
tim pool
And then you might have a self-driving truck delivering the materials to the A, but I don't think that's the issue.
I think that's something to be concerned about.
No, I think the bigger issue is the economy just crumbles.
ian crossland
That's the short-term problem.
tim pool
Yeah, and I'm saying if the economy crumbled right now, and you'd go to the store and a gallon of milk was a hundred bucks, and there was like three available and people are fighting over a can of beans in the parking lot, I think I'd be fine.
I wouldn't be happy, I wouldn't be comfortable, and I wouldn't pretend like I'm gonna be sitting atop a throne or anything.
No, it would be a constant battle for survival when there's like limited goods and no fuel.
But the people in the cities and the suburbs, They ain't gonna be having a good go of it.
They're gonna be in the parking lot fighting for beans with Agnes.
ian crossland
I keep hearing that China's a paper tiger.
Have you been studying this a lot?
Have you found stuff like this?
And what I mean by that is that they're putting on a big show of force but that they're actually very weak and vulnerable right now as a government.
ben weingarten
So, I mean, you know, it'd be cliche to say act weak when you're strong and act strong when you're weak and their strategy was hide your strength, bide your time.
That was really sort of the overarching vision of Deng Xiaoping and then sort of build up and then you can start acting very assertively and aggressively.
I think that... I don't think that they're 50 feet tall, and they might think that we're 50 feet tall, which should mean that we really have to up our game because they're a lot more serious than we are.
I mean, when we have our generals talking about, you know, General Milley talking about, I really want to understand white rage.
What kind of message does that send to a people that has no qualms about killing its own citizens, crushing Hong Kongers, threatening Taiwan, threatening Chinese nationals abroad in every single country?
I don't think they perceive us to be serious, so that's dangerous, potentially, that they have that perception that we're not serious, but I think also it's reality in a lot of respects.
Now, are they a paper tiger?
Like, if you're looking at how many nuclear warheads do they have, and you go through all those conventional weapons, I don't think that ultimately the conflict... I think we're in the conflict with China.
That'd be the first thing I'd say.
They've been at war in one way or another with us for decades.
Would be my argument.
ian crossland
Probably since the late 1800s, since the opium wars.
ben weingarten
Well, you could go back and that would be a grievance.
You know, they have kind of their historical narrative of the West putting them down and consequently now they're going to rise up and we're going to be, you know, return to our being the center of the world, the Middle Kingdom.
You know, are their economic numbers real?
I would put zero stock in.
You know, we grew at 35% last year.
Yeah, I wouldn't put any stock in that whatsoever.
But where they clearly have significant power is in the realm of influence over everyone else.
The fact that you can bring an American to his knees to kowtow over Taiwan, I think, tells you all you need to know.
Do they do that when it comes to America?
Do they do the reverse?
And also, they understand how foolish we've been.
I mean, the business community just put out a letter recently, I wrote about this at Newsweek, saying to the Biden administration, you really need to go back to the table on more negotiating with China because we need to increase trade and economic engagement with China.
And you got to remove those tariffs as soon as possible.
Also, we understand, you know, there are all sorts of issues with China's predatory economic practices, but we really need to get back to the table on it.
And by the way, it's America first, too.
It's good for the American workers.
There's going to be an anti-inflationary policy.
Watch, you'll see.
On what basis whatsoever would any serious people say, you know what, I've seen the way China's acted just over the last 18 months.
Let's definitely go and engage more with them.
When that has been the entire strategy, it's been a bear hug strategy.
It's let's invite the West in, they'll give us capital, we'll steal their technology, they'll get nothing out of us ultimately.
We'll have all of the major industries dominated, monopolized, so that during something like a pandemic, for example, we can threaten to withhold essential medicines from you.
tim pool
So the funny thing about this is we have the Xinjiang province, the Uyghur Muslims, and that I can't even make a joke about them considering it when it comes to these trade deals.
Like, I'd like to make a joke where there's like some corporate executives being like, gentlemen, We've just got this report that they're torturing, there's forced abortions, these people are being, you know, ethnic cleansing is horrible, we have to consider our business practices with this country.
I can't even make that joke because when they're sitting in the office some guy goes, oh did you hear they got a concentration camp?
Huh, does it affect their bottom line?
Not at all.
Praise the Lord.
It's like, all right, great.
What's our numbers this time around?
Oh, anyway, moving on.
They don't care at all about that stuff.
Collateral damage.
So you have to understand, it's outside of the fact that they're ripping us off, stealing our IP.
They're threatening us in terms of the South China Sea.
They're threatening Taiwan, one of our allies, and our chips, computer chips that we need.
And they're also just morally repugnant within their own country.
ian crossland
That's what I'm wondering.
tim pool
And we're just like, America's just like, yeah, but you know.
ian crossland
You brought up the word kowtow a few times.
It basically means, I'm looking at the definition here, act excessively in an observant manner.
But it comes from a Chinese idea that you would go to the emperor, bow on your knees, put your forehead on the ground and beg submission from the emperor.
And foreign leaders would go to China and they would bow and put to the emperor and then you'd have the blessing of China and they would send you money and they would send you troops and they would send you architects and things to come work with you.
And is it still like that?
Is there still a Chinese emperor?
I don't even know right now.
Is it a Xi Jinping?
ben weingarten
Well, Xi Jinping is the emperor.
ian crossland
So they dispelled with the empire.
Now it's just a communist party.
But he's still acting as if he's the child of heaven.
ben weingarten
Is this?
It's a communist party, but with Confucian characteristics.
I mean, look, I don't think that Xi Jinping is like this great philosopher, king, dictator, but he is sort of blended propagandistically.
The traditional Chinese cultural ethos is with communism.
And so he is the next thing to Mao.
I mean, he's number two after Mao essentially there.
Now, of course, like Michael Bloomberg talking about, like, well, he has domestic constituencies, too, even though it's not a democracy.
He has other members of the Communist Party who would probably like to have his seat, but like I said, he also engaged in a purge soon after he entered, which he called an anti-corruption purge, which is basically taking out two to three million members of the party, probably who he felt were a threat to him.
I mean, jailing, not always murdering them.
Yeah, that's just another day.
Sick oblin king, man.
tim pool
You know, you gotta kill the king to be the king.
ian crossland
Yeah, who's the- what's the real power of China?
They put Mao- or they put a- what's his name?
Xi Jinping in the front.
But I imagine it's like an oligarchical dark state, like a quiet people behind the scenes that no one knows who they are that are running things.
ben weingarten
Everyone is answerable to him, obviously.
First of all, it's also worth noting their military, the PLA, is the Chinese Communist Party's military.
It's not China's military.
It's a distinction worth making.
It's the Party's military arm, and Xi has taken substantial control over that military in his time running the country.
Look, it's very clear that the private companies, there's been a massive regulatory crackdown.
I mean, you got to put all these things in air quotes there, but massive regulatory crackdown.
Jack Ma, you know, was essentially disappeared for months and then re-emerged.
They scuttled the IPO that his company was going to go through.
ian crossland
His value went from $900 billion to $450 billion.
At least, and it's probably still dropping.
They're just selling off parts of his companies to party members and who else?
I don't know.
ben weingarten
In July of 2021, U.S.
listed Chinese companies lost $400 billion in market value under this regulatory crackdown.
You talk about oligarchical powers.
The people running these companies who are all party members, obviously, if those are your oligarchs, they're being cut down to size in real time.
So, like, there are vulnerabilities.
I mean, there are vulnerabilities which we'll never know.
And do I trust our intelligence to see them?
I don't know.
But that said, yeah, look, in a system like that with a one man dictator, he obviously has to answer to other people because they're all at his throat all the time.
Not his citizenry.
ian crossland
And like, who owns the party owns the land.
So who owns the party?
tim pool
The Goblin King.
ian crossland
That's what they say.
That's what they make us think, but I don't think so.
I think Mao is too dangerous, so they make sure that it's like a puppet now.
tim pool
I am not convinced even our intelligence agencies are genuinely concerned with preserving and protecting this nation.
I think when you look at Afghanistan and the Afghan papers, what you really have is a disaster where everyone's just like, I don't want to get in trouble.
How much can I extract from the system before it all falls on my head?
I think that of like every institution I'm looking at and unfortunately it's almost like with Trump there was this kind of sporadic bombastic attempt at some kind of cobbling together a return to I guess some kind of nationalism, like, we're gonna have borders, we're gonna have, we're gonna put more controls on immigration, we're gonna have the industries come back, we're gonna try and help the American people get jobs and better their lives.
And that was a threat to those who are trying to extract the last little bit from the system, so they all collectively screen.
It's, what's the right word for it?
Basically, the confidence in this country has been lost for a long time, to the point where even our elites have no confidence in it, and they're selling out to China, among other sellouts.
ben weingarten
You saw it perfectly personified in the conversation between the Secretary of State Blinken and the National Security Advisor and their meeting with their Chinese counterparts in Anchorage.
And by the way, what did China do to deserve to have that high level meeting?
I mean, in the first place, if you're really serious about them and you ascribe primary culpability in the coronavirus pandemic, at the very least spreading worldwide, well, of course, they protected themselves.
Why would you ever meet with them over anything?
I mean, they should be viewed as they're the most culpable country in this.
And Trump said, you know, $10 trillion.
That's probably an underestimation of what they should pay in terms of recompense.
But that meeting, the Chinese Communist Party dignitaries basically said, oh, you're going to attack us over human rights?
Well, look at you.
You're a systemically racist country and your history is awful, etc.
And Blinken and Sullivan, the National Security Advisor, sort of like, well, we accept your premise, but You have no confidence.
You have no vision.
Basically, you're saying, yeah, we agree.
Our adversary's propaganda that the left has put out about America for decades is true.
They've drank the Kool-Aid.
ian crossland
Right.
ben weingarten
So who's going to defend the country if you say that at core it is a rotten, deplorable, irredeemable country?
tim pool
When you have a substantial amount of people in this country saying that, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
And when you have this critical race, applied principles, now manifesting in our schools, manifesting in our media, the rot has got to the foundation.
And how long can the building stand?
ben weingarten
Racial Marxism, which is, you know, it's really just a rhetorical game, critical race theory in a lot of ways.
It's like putting a just and virtuous veneer on your regressive ideology of saying, well, we're fighting for the good people and you're the bad people, etc.
But I totally agree.
It's the rot and the corruption.
is incredibly deep.
On the other hand, maybe more people are awake to the fact that this is a game that's being played than ever before.
It's never been exposed, I think, in such crystal clear fashion, how corrupted all the institutions are.
The blindfold has been removed, I think, for a lot of people.
But the question is how many people and how far gone are we?
tim pool
I am... I'm optimistic and pessimistic in a certain way.
I think that when it comes to the rise of China, you're familiar with Thucydides' trap.
We discuss it quite a bit on this show.
So I think there's this real fear among elites that war is inevitable.
And so if they hobble America, it will prevent that war from happening.
So it's take the crowbar to the knee to America and then we avoid the war because America can't stand up against China.
So I'm pessimistic in that sense.
I'm optimistic in the sense that I think I'm starting to feel more and more like what power cancel culture and all these things had has been weakened to a certain degree.
Seeing these parents start rising up.
One parent actually punched a teacher, like beat him pretty bad.
That's an awful story, man.
But you see the parents are getting so fed up with what's happening in these schools, they're snapping.
And we had Ben on the show and he said, come August 15th, when these parents figure out what they're doing to their kids, they're going to go nuts.
Seeing these parents, you know, come up, I'm kind of like, aside from the, I don't like the violence, but the parents going out and protesting and saying no to these schools, the push for homeschooling or for pods, school pods, where like local, like the kids in the neighborhood all go with one tutor or whatever, get taught.
That's optimistic, because maybe we get hobbled and maybe China does make a big move and becomes the economy of the world, the super economy in 2028 or whatever.
There's real risks that we're going to lose out if China falls to mainland China, if Taiwan falls to China, and what that means for the United States in terms of our resources, our access.
But I do think there's always an open window and a door is shut.
That we're going to start seeing people start waking up to this.
The hard times will create strong men.
And then there will be some kind of resurgence.
ian crossland
That would be if Taiwan were to fall to China.
That would actually be if China were to fall to the CCP.
Because Taiwan is China.
The Republic of China is China.
The CCP is co-opted.
tim pool
And West Taiwan has been taken over by communists.
So if the Republic of China can take back West Taiwan.
It was funny.
I posted that meme.
You ever see it?
West Taiwan.
All of mainland China says West Taiwan.
And boy do people get mad.
They don't like that one.
ben weingarten
All the Chinese bots.
tim pool
Let's talk about what's happening here in the U.S.
and why I think, you know, look man, things aren't looking too pretty.
We got this story from TimCast.com.
Biden administration has discussed mandating vaccines for interstate travel.
The administration is reportedly looking for ways to make life more uncomfortable for those who do not comply.
The AP reports, quote, while more severe measures, such as mandating vaccines for interstate travel or changing how the federal government reimburses treatment for those who are unvaccinated and become ill with COVID, have been discussed, the administration worried that they would be too polarizing at this time.
An administration official said the interstate travel vaccination requirement was not under consideration at the moment.
That's not to say they won't be implemented in the future, as public opinion continues to shift toward requiring vaccinations as a means to restore normalcy, the report adds.
I think this is a big ask.
You know, you're familiar with the big ask?
Ask someone for $100, they recoil and say, okay, fine, how about $50?
And then they say, oh, that sounds better, even though it's still $50.
This is them being like, well, we want to mandate interstate, you know, passports for interstate travel.
So everyone goes, whoa, that's crazy.
And they say, well, hold on.
If you just get vaccinated, we won't have to worry about it.
So I think it's a big ask.
They're trying to show you something completely unreasonable.
But that says to me that if that's the direction they have to go, if that's what they have to say to get to that point, we're dangerously close to it as it is.
If for some reason Public opinion just shifts in its direction like they claim, which I don't think so, because parents are freaking out.
You know what would happen if they implemented vaccine mandates for interstate travel?
ian crossland
All the people that can't get them for medical purposes couldn't travel.
It would be insane.
It would completely disrupt the social structure of the country.
tim pool
The country would just fall apart instantly.
Because you've got, in the area where we're at right now, we're in a tri-state.
So we've got to cross the state borders to go to the store.
If I want milk, we've got to go to a different state.
So what happens when they're like, you've got to stop at a checkpoint?
The bridge would be cluttered.
How are they going to checkpoint people and ask for their app or something?
Otherwise, there's no real mandate.
ian crossland
Spend a trillion dollars to pay policemen to sit at every border crossing?
tim pool
This is interesting.
During the lockdowns, it was like you were told you couldn't travel outside the states.
Like, you know, Ian, you mentioned before you said no lockdowns didn't happen.
Lockdowns happened.
OK, so where we are, the states had rules that you could not leave the state.
And if you did, you had to quarantine.
I think I remember so you could get in your car and drive.
There were some exemptions for people who live within a certain amount of certain miles of a
border of a state. So where we are, it was like we were exempted. We were allowed to. But there
was someone I was talking to up in Massachusetts. We wanted to have them come on the show.
And they said the problem was when they drive to the store to get milk, they have to
drive across the border and then they could get stopped or according to the law,
they have to quarantine.
So they were concerned, like, if I leave and come back, they're gonna force me to lock down.
I can't leave the house for two weeks.
I can't even go to the store.
So they were forced to go further out in their own state.
These things have happened.
They didn't have people at the borders.
Some places did have this.
I think Texas had this.
I think New Mexico had this in some areas.
And I think Connecticut had this in some areas.
But if they went across the board with this, you might as well just consider each state its own country at that point.
Like the EU or something.
Even though they don't have checkpoints between the EU countries in the Schengen zone.
ben weingarten
You know, global warming used as a pretext for deindustrialize your economy and go back to the land, I guess.
Similar thing here.
Public health as a justification for whatever you want to do in terms of imposing authority.
Public health and national security grounds are going to be the grounds that are used.
Intentionally or not, to eviscerate everything.
I mean, we've seen with coronavirus, obviously the censorship associated with it, and that's government by proxy via big tech.
Abrogating the First Amendment.
You see it with locking everyone down but letting social justice warriors out into the streets.
Selectively allowing people to enjoy their rights.
Locking down places when, look, in a free society there are risks.
People weigh the risks and then they act accordingly.
If we're a free society, but clearly we're increasingly not free society.
tim pool
Can I violate Godwin's law for a second?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You know that the Nazis claimed Jewish people carried typhus.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
And that was one of the reasons they needed to mark people.
ian crossland
Geez, they were all in.
tim pool
Yeah.
Look, public health is a really easy way for authoritarians to get in because people are scared of disease.
ben weingarten
You don't want to kill people.
unidentified
Right, right.
ben weingarten
That's the whole thing.
tim pool
I always say this, when you watch movies like, or when you read books like 1984, or when you watch these Nightmare Dystopia movies, when you watch Fever Vendetta, did you think that when authoritarianism came to your front door, there would be no excuse?
Like, when you see these movies where it's like, there's the resistance, and they just live in this Nightmare Dystopia, do you think that one day, the chancellor stood up and said, oh, by the way, I'm now the dictator, and we're a fascist?
ian crossland
Did you think it would be obvious when they came?
Because it wasn't.
And it never will be.
tim pool
No, it is.
ian crossland
Not when they really come.
tim pool
It is obvious.
ian crossland
No, they're subterfugal, man.
You never see it coming.
That's the point.
You gotta be aware and stay back from the situation.
tim pool
Ian, you are incorrect.
We are watching it happen.
ian crossland
You saw it.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
ian crossland
I didn't realize it when COVID came out that it was gonna be like this.
tim pool
Right now, they are saying, they are discussing Passports for interstate travel.
It is in your face, but they have an excuse for it.
So people gladly drop to their knees and say, please state, keep me safe and take my freedoms from me.
Because apparently these people never read anything from Benjamin Franklin.
Those who would give up their freedom or was it essential liberties for a little bit of security deserve neither and will lose both.
ian crossland
I really agree with your point on your perspective on this statement about what they could be doing if they want.
I thought the first thing I thought was that it's a flex.
It feels like a big military flex.
Like, you know, we could shut everything down, all the borders, but we're not gonna.
And it's like they're holding that over over our heads.
They want to.
ben weingarten
But it is Overton window shifting.
It makes what is perceived as reasonable six months from now what's crazy today.
And they've done that in, I mean, two weeks to slow the curve.
And we've never locked down our country ever before.
Certainly not for those periods of time.
For any reason whatsoever.
The power grabs have been, to your point, So in your face.
And look, you also just said, as public opinion shifts, but there's something called a constitution.
I mean, it clearly isn't worth the paper it's printed on anymore.
It shouldn't be if public opinion shifts.
It's what's the law?
What's not, you know, obviously they don't, they don't care.
Like the CDC eviction thing, you know, where he's basically like, yeah, I know it's not constitutional and whatever, but it's, you know, it's tough times.
I mean, then, then you don't, then your law is worth nothing.
You're not a free Western country anymore.
tim pool
I think the law is mostly worth nothing.
I think culture is everything.
There are certain laws on the books we've talked about on the show.
There's this old book you can get where it's like laws that would shock you or whatever and it's just like this little trivia thing.
And it's like you can't put an apple pie on the window sill on Thursdays.
You can't use your garden hose at 3pm on a Monday afternoon in a full moon.
And you're like, what are these weird laws that never get enforced but they're all in the books?
Because culturally, we say, oh, that's absurd.
No one would do that.
So even though the law clearly states you can't, we never got rid of it.
And there's a ton of really crazy laws still in the books.
People superchat to us all the time.
So what happens is, we got a constitution.
But if they can just keep pushing to the point where we're clearly beyond the constitution, what happens now is they say, We're not violating your rights by shutting down your speech on a private platform, even if that private platform is the dominant place political discourse happens.
We're not violating your right to bear arms by telling you you can't own specific firearms.
You can always have a single loaded, you know, bolt action or whatever.
They're saying we're not violating your Third Amendment rights by mandating you house people because only some of those people are soldiers.
We're not violating your Fourth Amendment rights with search and seizure because I smelled pot.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That's right.
they keep saying things like this. And then once these amendments are just washed over,
they'll say, the Constitution, we haven't used that in years. No one takes that seriously.
ben weingarten
Wow. That's right. And even now, the left and maybe Republicans too, but primarily the left.
They will appeal to the Constitution when they think it serves them.
And when it doesn't, they'll say, well, it's an old document, and it's outdated, and it wasn't made for the times, and it's a living document.
And also, China analog here, China, they have rule by law, as opposed to rule of law.
And that is increasingly where we are.
It is rule by law, and also that law is selectively applied.
And if you apply the law to one person one way, and another person another way, then you have no rule of law.
Double standard justice means no justice.
ian crossland
So what's the difference of rule by law and of law?
ben weingarten
Well, rule by law is essentially whatever the state says goes.
tim pool
Anarcho-tyranny.
ian crossland
Rule of law is the state has to adhere to the documents of law.
ben weingarten
And at core, the sovereign people at the end of the day.
Rule by law is, oh, we're going to put a national security law on the books which says, and they really have this, intelligence and national security laws, you know, if your company is dealing in sensitive information or if the state needs it, basically you have to turn over everything to us and serve us as an apparatus.
And also, like, the law doesn't mean, whatever's on paper doesn't actually mean anything at the end of the day.
It's what the ruler says it is.
tim pool
It's a narco-tyranny, right?
So here in the U.S., you can see, like, January 6th is a great example.
They will... I mean, these people are in solitary.
They're getting months in prison for... Many of them have literally just charged with trespassing.
Some of these people... There's one video of, like, an old lady walking through a door where a cop holds it open for her, and she's getting charged.
Like, come on, man.
If I go to a building and a cop's like, right this way, sir, I'd be like, cool.
And they're like, you trespassed.
ian crossland
That's like the literal example of entrapment.
He entrapped you.
tim pool
That's true.
That's a good point.
Because entrapment requires some coercion on the part of the government.
If the government comes to you and says... Well, actually, maybe not.
Maybe not.
ian crossland
They say, come right in, sir.
And you walk in and then they arrest you for trespassing?
tim pool
It's not entrapment.
They have to coerce you in some way.
ian crossland
If he says, come on in, that's coercement.
tim pool
No, it's not.
ian crossland
Did he just step aside?
tim pool
If he opened a door for someone... Entrapment would be, Ian, if you don't do this, I'll punch you in the face.
ian crossland
Oh, so at threat.
Coercion.
You have to be threatened into doing it.
tim pool
Not enticed.
We'll take your child away from you, or we'll come for you, we'll do X to you.
That's coercion.
So it's not entrapment, but it clearly shows it wasn't trespassing, right?
So you have right now the government willing to enforce anything to bolster its power.
Meanwhile, Antifa can go and burn down your business with impunity because that's a narco-tyranny.
Look man, Ian, you made a Fallout reference already.
Are you familiar at all with the Fallout franchise?
ben weingarten
What about it?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
So it feels to me like the government at this point is just the enclave and they leave everything else as the wastes.
And then when they want to take and do whatever they want, they just go and do it as if we don't exist.
ian crossland
So crazy.
tim pool
They don't serve the people.
It is just institutions of power that serves itself.
ian crossland
There's so much hope with technology lately.
You can withdraw the carbon dioxide from the air and deposit it on a palladium, make graphene with it.
You can iron fertilize the oceans to regrow the plankton to re-bloom the fish population.
You can shatter coral and it all grows at the same time to regrow coral reefs.
You can seed bomb deserts to plant hundreds of millions of trees per day.
It's so easy if we know what to do and work together.
unidentified
We do.
tim pool
You know what my favorite terraforming method is?
You mentioned a lot of really great things that we can do to help heal the planet.
My favorite is building a casino in the desert.
ian crossland
Good point.
tim pool
That's what Vegas did and now there's clouds.
That's amazing.
They got clouds there now and they got grass.
They bring it all in.
They import water and food and then people fly there and then they drain bathrooms which puts more water into the system and the water evaporates.
Yeah, we're mechanically, like, terraforming Las Vegas.
It's really interesting.
But let's talk about La Resistance because I saw this meme.
First, we have this story from TimCast.com.
Two visitors arrested in Hawaii for using forged vaccine cards.
Governor David Aij, is that how you pronounce it, made the announcement on Twitter.
Here are these two men.
Apparently, they had fake vaccine cards because you got to quarantine for two weeks.
Here's what's fascinating.
There was a meme on Reddit.
Where, like someone on Twitter said, morons out here be spending 400 bucks on fake vaccine cards when the vaccine is free.
And then all the comments are like, that's how stupid these people are.
They're so dumb.
You can just get a free vaccine card with your vaccine.
Why spend 400 bucks?
I'm like, man, these people are really that stupid.
They don't understand why they forge vaccine cards.
It's because they don't want to get the vaccine.
Have you considered this?
It's the weirdest thing to me.
Uh, I think the big problem with, uh, we're, I think we're definitely gonna see a lot more of this.
We've got, we got this other story here.
This is, this is, uh, really interesting from Mashable.
Black market for fake vaccine cards is thriving on Telegram.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Channels with hundreds of thousands of subscribers would be happy to sell you a counterfeit for a hundred bucks.
Now my understanding, it is illegal if the CDC logo is on it.
That's what I heard.
So there was a report that came out said do not buy these.
They're illegal if you have them.
If they're using federal government logos masquerading as an official document.
But I guess and if it's just a postcard that says vaccine.
Must be okay, I guess.
The vaccine card that I had when I traveled to Venezuela was just a yellow card, and it said vaccine schedule, and then the doctor signed the vaccines on it, and then he wrote vaccines on it and signed it, and there was no official anything on it.
It was just a yellow postcard.
I had to show that in Venezuela when I went to the country.
They were like, "'Cause you have to have certain, you know, vaccines to enter the country."
So, in this regard, I don't know how you'd enforce these things.
You know, these lockdowns.
That's why I think a lot of it might be saber-rattling or threats of intimidation or big asks.
ben weingarten
Also, could they even competently execute it?
Let's say they did impose the system.
I mean, I guess maybe you could say that bureaucratic incompetence might be the saving grace as we head down this path of a social credit system with American characteristics and you have to show your papers to function in life.
And also, the officials act like, you know, they're being so beneficent.
Like, if you just get this card, you can live like an American once again.
That was basically Bo de Blasio, New York's godforsaken mayor, on the way out.
That was essentially what he said, almost verbatim.
You can go about your daily lives and do what you did before so long as you have this card.
tim pool
You know what I'm calling it?
The lockdowns are back.
They are locking down cities.
They're legit.
Unless you get a vaccine.
To you, in New York, in San Francisco, in New Orleans, the city is entirely locked down.
You can't go into any restaurant, or gym, or bar, or venue, or theater, or whatever, unless you have the vaccine.
That's a lockdown.
ian crossland
Maybe it's gated.
The cities are gated.
tim pool
They're locked down.
ben weingarten
Well, and this also gets to the delicious challenge for the so-called anti-racist, the racist anti-racist, who define equity in terms of outcomes And of course disparate treatment as a reflection of racism in a case like this.
If you have ethnic minorities in this country who disproportionately do not get vaccinated and their lives are made miserable as a consequence of these mandates, what does Ibram X. Kendi say about this?
And James Lindsay tweeted about this.
tim pool
Everyone's got to ask the critical race theorists.
ben weingarten
Yeah.
tim pool
If the black population are the least likely to be vaccinated, then who is getting excluded from public accommodations right now?
Overwhelmingly the black population.
ian crossland
Use their own racism against them.
tim pool
I mean, it's literally a racist policy to implement.
I actually think it's a good reason not to have vaccine mandates because it creates racial disparity.
I oppose that stuff.
I'm in favor of the civil rights protesters and that movement.
I think public accommodations should provide accommodation to the public.
I've always maintained that position.
I've had a lot of conservatives who like, you know, I've always argued, I think if you have a bakery and someone comes in, I actually said, I think the baker should write the message, but I understand the first amendment argument.
He actually won on that one.
So maybe I'm wrong.
I'm just like, if it were me, I'd be like, I don't consider it my speech.
Well, let me slow down a bit.
The bakery thing everyone knows about in Colorado, he was willing to serve the gay couple who wanted the cake, he just didn't want to write specifically what they wanted him to write because he didn't want to be compelled to speech.
I understand that.
My thing is like, in general, so I think I actually agree with conservatives in that regard.
What I'm saying is, if somebody of different racial background or identity or national origin comes to your business, I think you should have to serve them because we're all taxpayers here, man.
You're occupying space.
They're coming in.
You shouldn't be able to throw someone out for some, you know, BS reasons.
That being said, if they start screaming or yelling or they smell bad or whatever, you got reason.
ian crossland
Civil disruption, of course.
tim pool
Yeah, you're allowed to kick them out and things like that, you know what I mean?
ben weingarten
They're not, though.
You gotta let them squat in your house.
That's right, that's right.
You have no, I mean, the criminals, if you're an illegal alien, you have more rights than a U.S.
citizen in some respects.
tim pool
It's amazing, isn't it?
They're talking about these vaccine mandates for interstate travel, meanwhile the border is just... Did you see Ivory Heckers?
ian crossland
She went down to the border and got video footage of buses coming back and forth, and she talked to an incoming migrant, I think he was an incoming migrant, that had a piece of paper on the back that said, I do not speak English.
Uh, where should I go to catch my flight?
And on the back was his flight itinerary, taking him, like, into the middle of the United States.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
Is that confirmed that he was, like, in from across the border?
tim pool
Yo, Joe Biden was smuggling children into his administration.
ben weingarten
This is, like, two days ago!
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Right.
Yeah, Ivory, by the way, that was an exclusive report at TimCast.com.
ian crossland
Yeah, TimCast picked that up, man.
tim pool
Yeah, she went down to the border and she was like, what's going on?
And she got, you know, footage of all this stuff.
ian crossland
So I haven't personally confirmed that he was from across the border, but it's... I think that's what the... I'm pretty sure that is correct.
That was the message.
tim pool
There's more than one.
They get these manila folders with their itineraries and they're like, where do I go now?
And so what are we at?
We're at 1.2 million, I think?
ben weingarten
Yep.
tim pool
1.2 million.
ian crossland
On the books.
tim pool
On the books, right.
unidentified
Yeah.
ben weingarten
And also, by the way, this, I mean, there's so many different things that can be said about this, but this is a super spreader event.
It is a rolling perpetual super spreader event, the open border, number one.
Forget about the national security implications of this, which aren't even talked about in context of an open border.
And then, you know, we just had the census results that everyone wanted to talk about.
And one of the things that's not talked about, and I hammered this home, I don't know why this arcane point stuck with me, but in relation to the open borders, and I wrote about this a bunch over the last couple years, when the Trump administration essentially wanted to make respondents to the census say, are you a citizen or not?
Why is that important?
Non-citizens, including illegal aliens, get counted in the census.
Consequently, The numbers ascribed to them are used for apportioning
congressional seats and also allocating hundreds of billions of dollars down to the
states and localities.
And electoral college votes.
So...
tim pool
Very few people bring this point up.
ben weingarten
No one talks about this.
This is foreign interference in elections.
Right, right, right.
tim pool
I can't remember who we had on recently, and I brought this point up because I think California
in the past, this is according to the Heritage Foundation, California gained one extra electoral
vote in the presidential election because of their illegal immigration population.
So, you know, Tucker Carlson comes out and he says, they're bringing in people because they want to give them citizenship so they'll vote for Democrats.
I'm like, no, they want to bring them in because they get counted on the census in the next 10 years.
Then they get more congressional seats to their states and more power to elect the president.
It is subverting our electoral process and giving our taxpayer dollars to people who did not come to this country through the legal process.
It's just, it's an extraction on the system.
ben weingarten
It's basically diluting, it's disenfranchising American citizens at the highest level.
It's foreign interference in our elections and you don't even need a mass amnesty then to change the system.
tim pool
Yeah, people don't realize that, like when Tucker said this, I'm like, we don't choose the president by a popular vote.
They don't need to vote.
They just need to give congressional seats to California so that California can continue to influence the federal government, which means California's laws will affect Wyoming.
If California allows people, what are they doing, like free healthcare for people under 26, illegal immigrants?
If they're going to keep, sanctuary state, you can't deport our people.
You know what the problem is?
I blame the Republicans.
I completely blame the Republicans.
Look, if there's a string of criminals in your neighborhood smashing out of the windows, you're like, OK, the criminals are bad.
What do we do to stop them?
I know.
Well, I'll pool our money together and then hire a security firm to deal with it.
And then you see the security firm being like, well, we can't arrest them because, you know, it's like, well, I blame you.
Look, obviously, first and foremost, the Democrats are the bad guys in this regard.
They're effectively manipulating our electoral system by doing this.
Where's anybody to stop him?
The Republicans pretend to be on your side.
There's a handful.
The Rand Pauls, Thomas Massey, I think Hawley's pretty good, Ted Cruz is okay, but I really do think Rand Paul tends to be the one guy who's actually filibustering and trying to stop a lot of the stuff.
And you get Lindsey Graham and Mitch McConnell, and what are they doing?
Tucker Carlson called Lindsey Graham a leftist.
He's just a straight-up leftist.
And McConnell's like, we need more troops in Afghanistan.
I'm like, these people don't care about you.
They pretend to be the resistance, what the Democrats are doing, but they're really just the gatekeepers to stop you from getting anywhere near them.
ben weingarten
And in effect, controlled opposition.
unidentified
Right.
ben weingarten
At the end of the day.
tim pool
I mean, it's a uniparty.
ben weingarten
It's a uniparty.
Yeah.
And part of it, it probably is like the superficial, you know, got to go to the right cocktail parties and you don't want to be attacked in the Washington Post and the New York Times.
But the disparity, the chasm between our purported representatives and us just grows greater and greater and it's more transparent than it's ever been.
So the question is, are the bums going to get voted out of office ever?
And usually they don't get primaried because incumbency is a really powerful thing.
tim pool
Did you hear about the trans anarchist satanist who won the primary for sheriff up in New Hampshire?
ben weingarten
I did not hear about that.
tim pool
As a Republican.
Because the Republican voters went in and said, Republican, Republican, Republican, Republican, Republican, and walked out.
And then this person ran as a Republican and ended up winning and then said, it's your fault.
If you have a problem with it, maybe you should read the names of the people and do some research or just not vote for them.
ian crossland
If you could get a job and if you did your best and made the most epic thing and then lost it, your job, or you could do a mediocre thing and keep your job, which would you choose?
Okay.
What's the point of the job?
Is it to do the best work or is it to continue to work at that, to continue to work there?
And these, these people in office seem like what they're doing is playing a, uh, a public perception game.
They want propaganda to make them look good.
Cause their whole point is to stay there, to get voted in with another popularity contest.
tim pool
There are puppets dancing before us.
ian crossland
As opposed to doing the best job they can and then damn be the consequences.
But this is because there's no term limits.
At least that's one incentive for it.
tim pool
Maybe, maybe.
We've had a back and forth on the argument about term limits because one of the arguments first and foremost is if people want to vote for someone they should be allowed to vote for them.
The other thing is what happens when you get like a Ron Paul who's in Congress for what, what do you have like 11 terms or something?
He's in there for a really long time and that dude was awesome.
ian crossland
I think that the problems that come from it outweigh the benefits.
ben weingarten
You're right, and Ron Paul I think did repeatedly vote for term limits, so... Or would you just have new blood that comes in every time and gets corrupted and it's just, it's really no different at the end of the day.
tim pool
Or a cabal that just recruits the new young person to come in.
And then you have someone without the experience and the connections to actually have any meaningful resistance.
ben weingarten
What you really need at the end of the day is a system where those who get elected do not enrich themselves as a consequence of their office or really gain power, which requires a small government system in the first place.
Who would be attracted to Washington if there was no power in Washington?
Well, people actually want to do a good job, like you're saying.
So how do you disincentivize, essentially, the power grabbing?
tim pool
I figured it out.
Jokingly before, I called some- I said, Marsism.
And the idea is that, uh, once you're elected to office, you know, we- we- we take all of Congress, and we put them on a rocket ship that goes to Mars.
unidentified
Hm.
lydia smith
That's it.
ian crossland
I like the way this is orientation.
tim pool
But now I think about it, and once they're on Mars, then they actually, from Mars, can... Global government.
ian crossland
Farm.
ben weingarten
Universal government.
tim pool
Well, just for America, I'm saying.
Our federal Congress will be blasted off to Mars to a space colony where they'll live out their days, and they can vote on policy positions for which they will never experience.
They have no incentive to cause harm to people.
They have no incentive to enrich themselves.
It's literally just, what can we do to make America better?
Because if America does good, we send you supplies.
And that's it.
So, uh, you know, more seriously though, how do we make it so that getting locked into an office is not something, not something you want for yourself, but something you want for others.
I don't know how you solve for that.
Uh, Andrew Yang's plan was like pay $4 million, but then ban you from working in like the private sector or something like that.
ian crossland
You say service, service gives citizenship and that could be the service that everyone has to face that at some point
in their life.
tim pool
Demarchy.
ian crossland
Ben Franklin wanted no pay for those people and at this point that we can do it on the internet, we kind of don't
need to get paid.
ben weingarten
No pay but then you'd only have the rich oligarchs running for office, you know, like that I'm sure that would be the
argument.
ian crossland
But what if we didn't have those offices anymore?
This is something that's been on my mind a lot, that if instead of voting for representatives that would then write laws for you, that anyone could write the laws and pass them into the Senate, like any, any American citizen.
And also if they were going to make votes, there's 430 of them.
Each, each of them, their, their jurisdictions would vote like 700,000 people that that one guy represents would vote and you'd get either yes or no.
tim pool
And then that would be that one 430th of the total because every section would Because when we send a representative to Congress, they get access to classified intelligence that can't go to the public for which they can make basement.
ian crossland
That's a lot of trust to put in a person.
tim pool
And we have to.
ian crossland
I don't know, because they get corrupted.
tim pool
Corruption exists, but it doesn't mean every single person who gets into Congress is evil, though I certainly don't like most of them.
That's fair.
ian crossland
And they're cool when they come in.
A lot of them are.
I don't think.
ben weingarten
No, I'm not lying to you.
tim pool
That's why.
ben weingarten
Think about also, leaving aside, you know, a certain kind of person is attracted to power.
There's a lot of power there, so you're going to get a certain elected class of people.
The first thing you do when you get into office is you've got to start running for re-election.
And what is required to run for re-election?
Well, you have to make nice with your party leadership because they're going to support you if you fundraise for them.
If you do not fundraise for them, they will get you axed.
So all of the incentives will corrupt almost any man unless you are so wealthy or so powerful or so famous and thus you don't really care and you know that you've got a constituency.
It's tough to buck the system.
I mean it's like Trump going up against bureaucracies where 99% of the people hate his guts.
How do you win in a situation like that?
Very difficult.
tim pool
The other thing is once you get in, once you're in office, the party establishment says, do it, do what we want or
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
else.
And then if you say, I won't do it, they'll say, well then we'll just seed some negative stories into local press so
that you never run, you never win again.
I think we just need someone to be like, I'm here for two years and I'm not gonna do any of that stuff, I don't care.
We need people who aren't, like AOC man, she folded really, really quickly.
She got criticized from the left.
Because as soon as she got elected, her positions on Israel and Palestine receded dramatically.
She was very, very anti-Israel to start.
Now she's only somewhat.
But there were a lot of leftists being like, her position totally flipped.
She was a hardcore activist.
And now she's like, well, honestly, I don't know a whole lot.
Because as soon as she got in, they were like, if you screw with us, you're done.
Now think about this.
AOC was a bartender.
And I have no disrespect for her for being a bartender.
I'm actually very impressed with a bartender saying, I want to represent this district and winning.
That's amazing.
America's awesome.
But however, think about what happens to a person when you go from being a nobody, a bartender, and now you've got millions of fans.
And you lose your re-election.
Because when she got elected, they were talking about drawing out her district so that she wouldn't have anywhere to run.
They were talking about primarying her because she was raucous.
She was rocking the boat.
Well, she pretty much falls in line now, and she doesn't lose what she's got.
Because if she didn't get re-elected because they primaried her or took away her district, what would she be again?
She would be an activist.
She'd be OK.
She'd do well.
ian crossland
She's famous.
tim pool
But this is her thing.
This is her life.
She finally matters.
She doesn't want to lose that.
So, of course, Nancy Pelosi says, you get in line or you're out.
And she says, yes, ma'am.
ian crossland
So they get in and they immediately start running for re-election?
ben weingarten
The first rule is win.
The second rule is get re-elected.
And then after that, you start caring about maybe the positions that you really hold near and dear.
And also, by the way, how are you going to get those committee assignments that you want to cover the issues that you really care about?
Well, who hands out the committee assignments?
The leadership.
ian crossland
And if the American population did it through vote, would that be less valuable?
ben weingarten
Well, even inside the practicality issue of classified information and all the other stuff that they have access to, that it would be a danger if everyone had access to it.
And the founders would say direct democracy is far more dangerous than the representative system because direct democracy is just tyranny of the majority and change every day.
Yeah.
And then it's, you know, sort of like what Joe Biden is saying, like, well, if public opinion comes around vaccine passports, which also an important thing to point out is, Yes, Congress is largely useless, and yes, the things that they do do are horrible, but then the issues where they actually should put things to a vote and legislate, because as representatives of us, they always punt the actually difficult decisions to the Supreme Court, or to a president, or to the administrative state where they pass a law, they don't really fill in the details, and then some bureaucrat who is unelected, who you have no control over whatsoever, is unfireable,
Is actually going to be the one who's really making the law, because at the end of the day, it's the regulators and all the bureaucrats and the agencies who actually make and execute the laws.
ian crossland
So they'll pass vague laws and then have corporations define those in practice?
ben weingarten
Not corporations, regulators, you know, all the different, the myriad alphabet soup of agencies.
You know, they'll say, and we delegate this authority to X, Y, Z agency to craft the details of it.
So it's even further removed from the people.
ian crossland
That's the deep state or is that either or the shadow government?
I don't know the difference between those.
ben weingarten
Administrative state, deep state.
ian crossland
Okay.
The unelected deep, the state within the state.
ben weingarten
The state within the state that actually deals, makes the sausage.
ian crossland
Wild!
That's...
tim pool
Think about this, I mean, you could run for office, win, and then say, I would like to audit the Fed, and then all of a sudden some intelligence agency just happens to leak some bad information on you and now you can't get re-elected.
Or you get removed from all your committee assignments and things like that.
So, deep state, call it whatever you want.
ben weingarten
Chuck Schumer said it would get you six waves from Sunday.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, he did.
Recently.
ben weingarten
First of all, it's just Orwellian that a U.S.
Senator actually says that, but I guess he was being honest.
ian crossland
Sure was.
unidentified
Jeez.
tim pool
That's right.
ian crossland
So we're electing people to become puppets.
tim pool
You know, it's funny how we talk about the Chinese Communist Party, and I don't see a big difference between the shadow government, the permanent... I think they call it the permanent government.
That's what... Who said that?
Somebody was testifying before Congress.
They said the deep state is a conspiracy term.
Conspiracy term, we call it the permanent government.
These are people who are appointed to positions where they're there for multiple administrations, and they're the ones who give the advice.
And effectively control what the president or the administration is going to do.
Because you look at it this way, you get a high-ranking intelligence officer and then, you know, Obama gets in office and he says, you know, I campaigned on pulling out of Iraq.
He says, well, actually, you can't because of that.
And he goes, you got it.
Do your thing.
He says, you got it.
Trump was special because Trump came in and went, no, we're getting out.
I don't care.
And they're like, but look, I don't care.
We're pulling out.
And I think that's why they were immediately like, this guy's got to go.
Look at how hard it is to declassify a document.
You think, well, it's the President of the United States.
He can declassify whatever he wants.
least essential probably. Then Trump comes in and they're like see here's why you got to do what we're telling you to
do and Trump was like well I was gonna do it, but now they're
telling me I don't want to.
ben weingarten
Look at how hard it is to declassify a document. You think well, it's the President of the United States.
He can declassify whatever he wants.
Oh, but it's got to go through several layers of review and then it's gonna be reviewed by the lawyers and then and
then someone's gonna at the same time be a whistleblower against you and
concoct something to try to get an impeachment going or Or we're going to have Russiagate the entire time of your presidency to tank your policy for a couple years.
tim pool
But even this is the problem with people like, when you get a Trump, Trump doesn't want to jump on the grenade, figuratively.
So I mean, he could have been like, I'm going to do a State of the Union and then just pull the documents and be like, I will now start reading.
And because he's the president, he can.
But the bureaucracy jams it up.
They defied his orders.
They lied to the American people.
They lied to him.
When he trusted these people to do what he ordered them to do, they just didn't.
And then they waited him out.
ben weingarten
Well, they're ordered to, and by law, also.
They always talk about the rule, you know, the democratic institutions and how we care so much about the institutions and the integrity.
And this is an authoritarian strongman.
You had his subordinates who are supposed to serve him, and he serves the Constitution as our representative.
Basically saying, no, we disagree with you and we're going to act accordingly and we're going to snipe you and backstab you and do all these things.
I mean, people talk, these generals out there essentially, admittedly played shell games with number of troops in Syria.
And they say that in articles.
They brag about it.
How disturbing is that that you have generals outwardly flouting the commander in chief right there?
ian crossland
Because that's a precedent.
That's for the next time that they don't want to do what the president says, what our commander, our elected commander decides.
tim pool
It's just all falling apart, man.
I'll be honest.
I was, I jokingly said this, but maybe it's more true.
I said there hasn't really been an America since the Jekyll Island conspiracy.
Yeah, it seems like it.
ian crossland
The, I wonder how, how can I, cause I think about the British opium wars with China, cause it's just been like the five eyes, you know, it's like Britain, Australia, United States.
ben weingarten
They said they would poke, they said they would poke at least one of the five eyes out if you dare go get some.
That was their, the communist party rhetoric.
ian crossland
Wild.
And then the formation of Israel seems very much like that was part of that organization to put, like, kind of an outpost by the Suez Canal and, like, have a front post in the Middle East for all the resources and stuff.
Like, with the way they betrayed the Ottomans in World War I and the Arabs to... Well, they betrayed the Arabs.
They told the Arabs, we're gonna give you all this land.
Then, at the end of the... in the middle of the war, they're like, actually, thanks for betraying the Ottomans for us Arabs.
Thanks for helping us win World War I. We're not giving you the land.
We're gonna create Israel instead.
tim pool
Not after World War II though.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was World War I, right at the end of the Balfour Declaration.
And there's been a lot of resentment, but it's like this obsessive colonial... It's been going on since like the 1400s, since like the 1600s, this colonialization.
Now it's in Afghanistan.
And they're using the American military now.
Like, I don't know if it's the king, if it was the British king all along, or if there's like banks above him that are... Do you have feelings on that?
tim pool
Aliens.
ian crossland
Maybe it's the aliens controlling the DMT and the systems.
tim pool
We're all just chickens in a chicken coop, man.
They're just, you know, moving the cages around for the chickens.
ian crossland
I wonder if, if this, I don't know.
tim pool
Moving the coop?
ian crossland
It's definitely the British have a lot of hands in like, they colonized India, they colonized the West Bank area with Israel.
They tried to colonize China, all of it.
They wanted it.
tim pool
When you hear Chuck Schumer say something like, we got you six ways from Sunday, it makes me wonder about whether or not what we do has an impact.
Because what's that old saying?
If voting mattered, they wouldn't let you do it.
You know?
ben weingarten
Who counts the votes?
Yeah.
tim pool
Didn't Biden say that?
Yeah, recently he said it's not about who votes, it's about who counts the vote.
In the end, it's like, I don't know who originally said that quote.
I think it was falsely attributed to Stalin though.
But it is still a creepy prospect.
Hey, welcome to modern America, I suppose.
It's not bad, you know, we're born into a country.
It feels almost like what they're saying to us is you live in a wealthy country, enjoy it while you can or else.
You know, don't rock the boat, don't challenge us, we do what we want.
ben weingarten
And the wealth isn't the only, I mean, the wealth is a byproduct of us being able to pursue our happiness in freedom, do what we want, achieve greatness, however we define it.
The wealth is just, is the end game output.
It might happen, it might not.
But if you're, you know, if you have ingenuity and you have a pioneering instinct and you have risk takers and such, then wealth is ultimately going to result from it.
But wealth isn't the, is not the purpose of this whole thing.
It's about letting people achieve what they want to achieve and make their own little kingdom on earth for themselves.
And we're getting further and further away from that.
ian crossland
I should also add it's called the Sykes-Picot Agreement was what the official document that formed Israel against the Arab will that was.
It's so it feels like comes from a feeling of lack like since since the dawn of time they've been afraid there weren't enough resources so we need to make sure we have enough for our people and and and now that we're realizing like with with quantum computing and atom molecular printing that maybe there is enough materials like maybe we can just print water out of air with enough electricity You still need the mass in the matter.
tim pool
And you can disrupt the balance of the ecosystem very easily.
So they'd have to do asteroid mining or a moon base or something.
In Star Trek, they collect hydrogen with the ship as they fly through it, and then they use that as the mass for the replicators.
ian crossland
Ben, how do you feel about releasing classified documents?
ben weingarten
Well, from my perspective, sunlight is the best disinfectant, and the more transparency, to a large extent, the better.
This is obviously tough, because we're talking in generalities here, and it's what is the substance of the classified documents, obviously.
But that said, based upon what All of the—how many times during the Trump administration was it, well, you know, this might reveal sensitive sources and get someone killed, essentially, if we release it, and then you find out when they finally do un-redact that actually, no, it was just protecting the people who were engaging in corrupt behavior or potentially illegal behavior?
So, it's tough because I staunchly believe in defending our national security to the death and acting in accordance with our national interests.
On the other hand, you see them abuse national security to justify so many different things.
So, as a general matter, I want everything around Russiagate and Spygate declassified, and a whole host of other things from history, too.
I mean, it should all be out there, and if it's not, it's probably because there are some pretty powerful interests who don't want it to be exposed for one reason or another.
It looks bad, it undermines them.
tim pool
That's why Julian Assange ends up locked up for a decade.
ian crossland
Didn't they just overturn some movement he was trying to put forth a couple days ago?
Did you guys see that?
tim pool
They're never gonna let that guy out.
Even after the Swedish investigation was ended, they're like, no, he can't leave.
And then they're like, there's no reason to hold him anymore.
And then the US comes out with their indictment.
It's just...
I tell you, man, I think that's evidence, right?
They will accuse you of the worst of the worst, and then they will lock you up to the best of their abilities and destroy your life.
ian crossland
According to The Guardian, Steve Bell and a UK judge backing the U.S.
appeal in Julian Assange's extradition case.
tim pool
Wait, they backed it?
ian crossland
The UK judge backed the U.S.
appeal in the extradition case.
tim pool
Right, so they're gonna extradite him.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's what they want.
tim pool
You know what they should do?
Release him.
That's not going to happen though.
ben weingarten
Maybe.
And look what happened to Epstein.
But also, the J6 thing.
Talk about the people in the DC jail.
And the government has said that they have evidence that would be potentially exculpatory.
They won't release it.
They admit it, and it's not out there yet.
And you know, there's 14,000 hours of footage, and you know, they just don't have the logistical
capabilities to build the database that people can look at so that a lawyer can defend a
And of course you know the left in any other instance would be, oh, this is the civil liberties abuse of the century.
But really the process is the punishment.
Let's say that people who really were just engaging in trespassing, no violence whatsoever, and they were let in by a security guard end up walking at the end of the day.
Still, think about how much punishment there will have been in the months that you're waiting to have your case dealt with.
And if you're held in pretrial detention, and a lot of these people, some of them have psychological issues, some of them are not hardened criminals and don't have any rap sheet whatsoever, and you're stuck in this jail.
And then you have the judges and the prosecutors also saying, essentially, well, your views about what happened in that election make you a potential danger if we let you out, so we're not going to let you out.
It's just, it's beyond disturbing, and like, the Assange example is an extreme example, obviously, but these are people who, again, they're not hardened criminals in many respects, and the process is the punishment, and this sends a warning.
This sends a warning to anyone, you know, don't dissent, essentially, from the party line, and again, you're gonna be cast as, well, you're an insurrectionist enabler and supporter, and no, that's not it.
It's, I believe in justice, and I believe people should be treated equally under the law.
tim pool
Watch the, I've been shouting this out, it's like the eighth time, watch Electric Dreams on Amazon, and the last episode, it's the last episode, it's called Kill All Others, and the simple synopsis for those, I know most of you listening probably heard me say it a million times, but basically this guy hears a politician say that, you know, the people need to kill all others, and he gets shocked by it and starts telling people, like, no, no, no, no, I don't know what that's about, we shouldn't advocate for violence, and they go, Who cares?
What, are you an other?
And he was like, what is an other anyway?
And they're like, I don't know, but you seem pretty defensive.
And then it escalates.
Anybody who opposes the party line is called, they must be an other.
And then people start getting violent towards the others.
It's really, really, it's a, it's a really interesting episode how they, how they laid it out.
I thought it was fascinating.
Let's go to Super Chats!
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
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Do it for Ian.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Do it for me.
And then when we get a chance to dive into the Matrix and fix this from the inside, let's go.
tim pool
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And simply by pressing that like, you could make the day of an Ian today.
lydia smith
It's true.
tim pool
All right.
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And let's read what we got here.
Born Again says, shout out to baby bonnet box for USA handmade baby bonnets.
lydia smith
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Very cool.
lydia smith
That sounds awesome.
I look that up.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Instructions for Interplanetary Visitors says, Tim, did you see that video of the doctor talking about the Delta variant making kids sick and she starts breaking into laughter?
Bizarre.
I did not see that.
lydia smith
Huh.
tim pool
Interesting.
I don't know, have you guys seen that?
unidentified
Uh-uh.
ben weingarten
No, just the other video that Twitter slapped a warning on and millions of people saw.
ian crossland
What was it?
ben weingarten
Just a doctor speaking what he believed to be the open and honest truth about various things around coronavirus.
And it went viral, of course, and thus you had to slap a warning on it.
ian crossland
Was it reset?
ben weingarten
Yeah, in the last week.
tim pool
Moosey Moose says, did you guys see DeSantis pushing monoclonal antibody treatment to help people exposed to COVID?
Going so far as to make task forces and centers for it.
This is the same kind of treatment Trump used, Regeneron.
I did not hear about that.
lydia smith
I did see something about that.
Yeah, in passing.
Didn't read much.
ben weingarten
It's worth saying one of the scandals around coronavirus generally, besides how lab leak went from conspiracy theory to suddenly all the acceptable people think it's acceptable, early treatment also was dismissed immediately and then over time suddenly it became somewhat acceptable.
Is anyone going to answer for the fact that like that was poo-pooed completely and now all of a sudden it's okay?
tim pool
Uh, does the media ever answer for putting up garbage?
I mean, Russiagate?
Come on, you know?
I love the, you ever see that collection of bombshell, bombshell, the beginning of the end, the walls are closing in, bombshell, bombshell.
Wow, these people are inscrupulous.
Dragon Lady says, I live on the Ohio-Michigan border.
There are tons of local roads that cross that border.
We have a cop shortage, and they're going to pull cops off the street to man checkpoints?
Or will Biden use that as an excuse to send in the military to do it?
Am I being paranoid?
I don't think they'll actually do it, but I certainly think you'd be a fool not to remain vigilant and paying attention, because who knows what they're capable of doing, to be completely honest.
ben weingarten
All right.
tim pool
Kyle Miller says, I have a feeling that Kabul is going to be the Saigon of our generation.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
Wow.
ben weingarten
Oh, wow.
lydia smith
I'm seeing it.
ian crossland
That's where they tried to pull the troops out, right?
But was there a slaughter in Saigon?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
It was Vietnamese, South Vietnamese city, Saigon.
Was it North Vietnamese, South Vietnamese?
ben weingarten
I'm kind of sketch on this.
Evacuating people, the helicopter, the imagery, indelible imagery.
I'm sure there'll be some equivalent here.
But this is really like kind of the ultimate ruling class exercise.
Every aspect of the way that Afghanistan is played out.
I mean, we can talk about it.
Go in, don't have clear objectives of what victory looks like, or reasonable objectives of what victory looks like, turning Afghanistan into Switzerland, not knowing any of the history of any other power going into Afghanistan.
Like, if the Soviet Union couldn't do it, you probably can't either.
And oh, by the way, why should you try to?
And then the way that it was executed for years, and the untruths told about it, and the trillions of dollars wasted, and lives wasted, and then we leave the strongest power in the world, and then within two weeks, it falls.
tim pool
Yep.
Someone commented before that they didn't even think that the Afghan security forces even wanted to fight the Taliban.
They were just like, okay, America's gone.
All right, guys, come on in.
Here's our guns.
Sarah A. says, while Biden is thinking about a mandatory vax for interstate travel, Liberal Party of Canada just did it.
Y'all need some hardworking Canadians?
ben weingarten
Yes.
lydia smith
Come on down, man.
ian crossland
Let's unify.
ben weingarten
Canadians and Cubans will not be allowed by the Biden administration, I'm sure.
tim pool
Cool Papa Zulu says, Tim, with your huge presence, please start the Mayo Bucket Challenge for people to donate to their favorite local restaurant to help offset their rising costs.
I'm going to the Sherwood tomorrow, save the local diners.
Well, I don't know if you need to donate.
Just go buy their food.
Go there and be like, I'd like to purchase your wares, good sir, and then buy them, and then they succeed.
So there you go.
ian crossland
Leave a good Yelp review while you're at it.
tim pool
Yeah, leave a good Yelp review of the restaurants you like just to offset this insanity.
And I gotta tell you, I went to the Sherwood's website.
Their food looks real good.
But I'm not in North Carolina, so I ain't gonna be trying it anytime soon.
ben weingarten
All right.
tim pool
Quiet Guitarist Fan says, took care of someone last night who had been bounced back and forth to the ICU with the beer virus.
They were vaccinated.
Mandates would do nothing but create a divisive system and destroy any sense of unity between people.
And I think it breeds mistrust.
That's the craziest thing.
You know, what did someone say?
I can't remember.
I can't remember exactly.
We mentioned it before, but it's like, if their approach to COVID had been, hey, get it when you can, the vaccination rate would probably be way higher.
But they've created this mistrust in people by doing these really weird things like bonuses and lotteries and then threats and mandates.
Now you've got people just defying you for the sake of defying you because they're bored.
ian crossland
And the flip-flopping.
Fauci's flip-flopping.
The CDC's flip-flopping.
Like, they didn't know what was going on, but they were giving authoritative advice off of misinformation, basically.
Their own misinformation.
ben weingarten
Going back to the lockdowns themselves, remember the Imperial College models?
Millions of people are gonna die if we don't do this.
And they were garbage-in, garbage-out models.
And it's like, you would think there'd be some humility among people in the scientific community to say, well, we really don't know, and here's our best judgment, and we're going to try to take a prudent approach.
Instead, every single time, it's the jackhammer, it's not the scalpel.
tim pool
David Kuchenowicz says, Tim, I noticed you wear the same outfit.
Do you have other clothes?
Technically, yes.
But you will also notice I only wear this on this show.
If you watch my other shows, I'm wearing different clothes.
So then I put on these for this show and then take them off right away.
But I do have other clothes.
Watch the Castcastle vlog at youtube.com slash castcastle and I'm always wearing different clothes.
ian crossland
New episode going up this weekend, right?
tim pool
Yeah, I think it might be Sunday.
And then we're trying to transition into daily.
So there's a workflow being built.
ian crossland
You guys gotta see Kent Leon Welling's animation on the Cast Castle Vlogs.
This guy's a master.
ben weingarten
It's always really, really fun.
ian crossland
Dude, his anime.
Kent, make more anime.
I want to turn you into a 21st century anime artist.
He's so good.
tim pool
All right, Chris Meagly says, standing up for small business.
The rising gas prices are killing our little lawn care business.
Plus, I wanted to hear our name shouted out on my favorite show, KNC Mowing Service, Live Oak, Florida.
unidentified
Very cool.
tim pool
There you go, man.
Thanks for the super chat.
Sim Yang says Twin Cities Cub Foods gets rid of SP police department and hires peace activists who beats a homeless Asian man because he stole something.
Gestapo.
unidentified
Wow.
ben weingarten
Wait, what?
Really?
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Did you guys hear that Portland, all the businesses are hiring private security now?
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
unidentified
Makes sense.
tim pool
And the joke now is that it's Ancapistan.
It's, it's, it's gone so anarchic that now people are just hiring their own private police departments.
ian crossland
That's the beauty of, of decentralized command is we'll get to see.
Now we get to watch what happens when businesses start hiring private security.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
lydia smith
What do we expect?
unidentified
Whoa, what is this?
tim pool
First Amendment says got stabbed eight times at 17 and shot by a 12-gauge at 22.
What?!
Thankful for socialized health care, but my views are far right in Canada.
27 and making more positive decisions.
Mad respect for the TimCast team.
Wow, man.
unidentified
Wow, geez.
tim pool
Glad to see you made it.
lydia smith
I'm glad you're alive.
tim pool
Christopher Noel says, our domestic and foreign problems oddly mirror one another.
American citizens don't want war, but foreign and domestic threats want America's collapse.
Trump and Biden woke up the normies.
Big uh-oh.
My dad voted for the first time in 20 years for Biden.
I'm saying that's right.
I know a lot of people that I was shocked to find were in politics.
People posting videos and I'm like, what?
These are the kind of people that I'd be like, hey, did you guys see?
I don't want to hear about it, but don't you know?
You know, Brett Kavanaugh, I'm who?
And then all of a sudden they're like, yeah, Biden.
ben weingarten
What do you think?
What do you think was the, what kind of the unifying themes for why Biden was the guy?
tim pool
They took away all entertainment, all sports, so people didn't have anything to communicate.
You couldn't go outside, you couldn't go to the bar, you couldn't talk to your friends, and Twitter and Facebook and YouTube are dominated by political conversations.
So all of these normies were all of a sudden thrust into a world where the only way they could socialize was in this political context, in a political election cycle, and they were, you know, posting their selfies for Biden.
I think that drove a large portion of it.
I also think that can explain why there was less down-ballot voting.
A lot of people want to think it's nefarious.
I think there's two big things to consider.
One, the mass exodus from cities due to COVID.
What, half a million people from New York?
We don't know how that would have affected bellwethers.
Certainly, I think the anomalies warrant investigation.
Certainly, I think we should do the audits so we can build confidence back between the American people.
But I think you can explain it.
I'm not saying I can.
It's proof.
I'm just saying, you know, here's an explanation.
But I genuinely think that a lot of dumb people who don't care about politics just wanted that sticker so they could be part of something because they were locked in their homes.
They needed it, you know?
And I think that was part of the Democrats' exploitation.
You gotta look back to, like, October 2019 when the Republicans made universal mail-in voting in Pennsylvania, which very, very much helped Democrats.
Right, so the Republicans, it's a unit party, right?
Goodland Cruising says, capitalism sold out the country to communists.
We need a collective front against our enemies.
Libertarian ideals fail consistently.
Nationalism is the answer.
We must win by any means necessary.
Defeat is death.
Ah, it's tough.
I don't know, man.
It's how do you... Look, independent voters, many of them probably vote Libertarian.
Republicans, they both recognize a lot of the same problems, yet they're not going to unify.
The left is just walking in lockstep.
ben weingarten
Yeah, we have intellectual diversity and we can have a debate about any of a million issues, but the other side, you know where they're going to end up every single time.
tim pool
Even when they contradict themselves.
They just march in line behind ideas that change every other day.
ian crossland
Did you see that Ben Shapiro on Bill Maher talking to that guy, Larry, what's his name?
tim pool
Malcolm Nance.
ian crossland
Malcolm Nance.
Malcolm was just like, not really making points.
And then he insulted Ben, like, your show must suck.
And it was like, this is this guy's super high profile.
tim pool
And they were clapping and cheering for him.
ian crossland
Yeah, and they kept clapping, and they were like, ah, the interviews are so much better without the clapping seals.
tim pool
Clapter.
ian crossland
Every five minutes, every minute.
That was really disappointing that he didn't really have much of an argument.
He didn't really even seem to understand what the critical race theory was, and I think that's a big part of the problem right now.
And what we're seeing is the infection of it in our society, in our blood vessels of our infrastructure, and then now we're starting to see an immune response, which starts slow and then it extrapolates outward, happens exponentially.
That's how disease works, too.
A body fights off disease, so it feels like that's happening as people start to learn what it is.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Joshua Ryman says, keep your head up and keep pushing forward, Tim.
Don't cry.
It's not over till it's over.
And even then, as long as I am alive, it's not over.
Keep going on, Tim, and never give up.
That's right.
Never give up.
Never surrender.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
Millennial Cop says, love the show.
Thanks everyone for all you do.
US needs to get back to in-country manufacturing, large scale.
People need something in their life to become a part of and be paid.
Ending the moratoriums can't happen fast enough.
Yes, or they could learn to code, right?
That's a solution.
ben weingarten
Because, you know, a 50-year-old pipe fitter certainly knows how to just jump on a computer and start learning computer code, which You know, the other thing about that, leave aside the strategic imperative to you have to be able to produce certain things domestically or you're going to be beholden to potentially your worst adversaries.
I used to take the kind of textbook economics of, you know, if you're more efficient at this, then you trade away your less efficient things and ultimately, you know, kind of like, What's more efficient ultimately is better for the greater good, even if that means certain industries die over time, we have creative destruction, etc.
But the thing that isn't discussed in the creative destruction is, what if that destruction leads to generational consequences that far dwarf that immediate economic loss to a particular place?
And what does that do in terms of having a cohesive country that's actually together?
And that wasn't something that I thought about when I was, you know, the economics student or whatever, but I do think about today and why I give some more credence to some protectionist instincts that I would not have had in the past, leaving aside the strategic imperative that you gotta be able to produce certain things 100% in America and you have to be able to produce all your medicines in a particular... At least our medicines, right?
At very minimum, you gotta have medicine, food, and the like.
unidentified
Food.
ben weingarten
It's crazy.
Slightly important.
tim pool
All right.
Stephen Heinold says, has Ian ever been hit by lightning?
Because if so, it would be like a less cool Marvel origin story of a hippie and really explain a lot about him.
ian crossland
No, but I've got an even better origin story.
I was meditating on my couch and my brother was across the room and I was looking in his eyes.
We were looking at each other and this lightning or whatever it was, electricity shot down through my head and into him, like into my head and then out my eyes.
And he jolted.
And I said, I'm so sorry.
Like, it felt like I used the dark side of the force.
And I was like, I'll never do that again.
tim pool
People don't understand that when Ian first arrived here, he was wearing a suit.
He had short hair and he was clean-shaven.
ian crossland
Tim radicalized me.
tim pool
No, actually what happened was he had come and he was selling milkshake mixers.
You know, just as a traveling salesman, clean cut for his wife and child.
And then as he was standing on my porch, I was like, you know, I could use a milkshake mixer.
A bolt of lightning hit him, burned his clothes and his hair.
He immediately started growing out and he started screaming.
And then he told me that he could see the wolf hominids tearing down his magnetic fields.
ian crossland
Which is true.
And promo code POSO.
lydia smith
Oh, there you go.
ian crossland
Shout out to Jack Posobiec.
Where did that come from?
You can buy my milkshake machines.
Promo code POSO.
I don't actually have them.
lydia smith
Great origin story.
ian crossland
It was intense.
It was a slow lightning bolt.
I think it's still hitting me.
lydia smith
That's possible.
ian crossland
It's been going on for like 20 years.
lydia smith
That's a lot.
tim pool
A lot.
It actually explained that there's like an electrical imbalance in Ian's head.
That's all he's feeling.
ian crossland
You know, honestly, I started making YouTube videos in 2006 and really like letting myself out, letting my secrets out, being very personable and honest.
And I started to feel energy coming, like when people watch, I think what's happening is when someone's watching your videos It feeds you energy because they're picturing you so it's like sending you energy maybe through the Schumann resonance or something but I started to get this like invigoration of energy in this like 24-7 because your videos are being watched at all times of the day.
Very weird.
ben weingarten
And you're sure that wasn't the vaccine?
ian crossland
I still haven't figured it out.
lydia smith
It may be.
tim pool
What is this?
Zach Kruger says, Hey Tim, check out the ATF's new rule saying if your AR-15 has a trigger, it equals now a machine gun.
ian crossland
What?
tim pool
Check out Mr. Guns N' Gears' video on it.
I would not be surprised.
lydia smith
Fascinating.
tim pool
James Rogers says, I'm in the Navy and today our command announced that SecDef will make COVID-19 vaccine mandatory by September 15th for all service members.
You know, and I hear that, but I, I said this before, like, don't people in the service just get a bunch of vaccines as it is?
They do.
Yeah.
So I'm like, why is this one controversial?
ian crossland
Cause they're, they're all FDA approved.
tim pool
It's gotta be FDA approved maybe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I guess I understand all that.
I'm just like, if you sign up, you sign, aren't you government property now?
Isn't that how it works?
ben weingarten
Rules are different, public employee, private employee, but increasingly those lines are blurred when you have the administration saying, like, we're meeting with businesses and we're encouraging you to incentivize your employees to get vaccinated.
tim pool
All right.
Jesse Meek says, everyone is concerned by this.
Some of the best YouTube channels are discussing it.
We were having a heated discussion referencing much of the same sources over on Liberty Doll's stream minutes ago.
Sleeping Bear is waking.
Interesting.
Shredkowski says, bought your gorilla shirt a few months ago.
People at my work love it without knowing the context.
Hoping to build a gorilla army and build culture.
That's right.
We have a whole bunch of different I am a gorilla shirts for some reason we just kept making.
We have the Dogecoin one I think is really funny.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Yep, there he's going.
All right.
Scarier3 says, the interior flight thing with aliens has been a thing since the beginning, and it's happened before Biden back in early 2019.
Whenever a family unit, one adult with one child minimum, arrives, they are given a court date to see a judge.
Interesting.
And then there's another one.
ben weingarten
And many do not show up to court.
unidentified
Right.
lydia smith
Huge majority.
tim pool
Scarier says, there we go.
It's the law on books.
Normally they'd be held until then, but when they run out of space, you can't send them back.
So they'd be sent to a family, a family member address wherever in the U.S.
to wait for court.
Can't send them back as a family.
And the left and aliens are aware of this.
Same thing with unaccompanied juveniles.
The loophole has been here for a while.
It's just now that the admin doesn't care about optics.
Very, very interesting.
DC Pagan says, Tim, when will the beanies come?
I will pay serious money for your trademark beanie.
I will wear it everywhere.
We have tried.
Actually, uh, Spring, what used to be Teespring, tried sourcing beanies like this.
It's impossible.
We've gone to a, I've looked, I've talked to a bunch of different companies and they just can't do it.
And I'm like, where did this one come from?
And I, we reached out to the company.
Nope.
Won't do it.
lydia smith
So weird.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
Looks like, uh, we, I mean, it's certainly something we've been trying.
I told, we had someone here and they were like, why aren't you selling beanies?
And I was like, I'll tell you what, you figure out how to do it and you can get a cut.
And they were like, yes.
And then they gave up after a month.
ian crossland
We're talking about weaving silver throughout the beanie.
lydia smith
Antibacterial.
Yeah.
ben weingarten
Yep.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Razgriz says, the best way to get rid of the power and enrichment incentive isn't to remove it, it's to exploit it.
Tie their salary given to the median income of the district they represent.
If they enrich their people, they enrich themselves.
I've heard that before.
It sounds intriguing.
What do you think about that?
ben weingarten
Your performance metrics?
Also, so you get a carrot for that, but also some sticks associated with other policies.
lydia smith
Yes, 100%.
tim pool
I guess the issue is, you can always just do a favor for a guaranteed job.
The big company says, you know, this bill's really bad for us.
Don't worry, I got you.
And then as soon as your term's over, they're like, oh, that VP position?
Half a million a year, it's all yours.
Thanks for your service.
ian crossland
What if your initial salary was zero, and for every amount you could lower the deficit, you would get a proportional, incentively-based salary?
tim pool
Because then it would just be rich people who have the means to run, who don't need money to live.
ian crossland
Or people that want to rip down the Federal Reserve immediately because it's a Ponzi scheme, and they're like, I can't reduce the deficit if I have to pay interest on my debt.
And the only way to get to pay it off is to take more debt on with more interest.
ben weingarten
Who's going to pass the law to get people in office who want to reduce the debt and deficits?
And also, does the public broadly want to reduce debt and deficits?
They might poll yes, but then you go to them, okay, let's talk about a specific project in your district.
That's gone.
And then we're also going to slash this program and this program and that program.
unidentified
Oh.
ben weingarten
If you present it that way to the public, at what point does the public say, you know what?
The short-term pain is worth it because we have generational, generational, generational theft.
And our interest is soon going to be even greater than the size of our budget.
ian crossland
Right.
It's like exercise.
Like, how do you incentivize people to do things that hurt in the short term for long-term benefit?
ben weingarten
And the politicians will say, well, it's going to happen on someone else's watch, so.
ian crossland
Because they won't get reelected if they're blamed for the one to be the one that hurts them, right?
Weird system.
tim pool
All right, Brian Weaver says, great job everyone.
We need to fully learn the lessons of trustlessness from the blockchain and apply these to our government systems.
Smart contracts could be a powerful vehicle to hold politicians accountable, necessarily.
Perhaps I just don't know Man, and I've thought about this a lot.
How do you solve it?
We have a really good system But it's just I guess Thomas Jefferson put it well that you know Like every 200 years or so you'll get that bloat or whatever and there's got to be some kind of like renewal I guess I don't know if he used those words.
He certainly used some words But I think we come to a point where like there have been periods where we've just voted out all the incumbents You know, I think it's like in the 50s that happened.
It was like Congress got like just Purge.
Everyone was like, we don't want any of these people.
We want different people.
We need something like that.
I don't think that ultimately solves all the problems though.
I think one of the great things about America is that decentralized power makes it very difficult for establishment elites to gain all that power.
But I think right now we are witnessing the point where power has coalesced to a degree where they can maintain it forever.
ian crossland
When they got all those incumbents out of office, do you know what year that was?
tim pool
No, I remember looking at some graph about Democrat and Republican party size and stuff.
And there was something in, I think, the 50s.
ian crossland
That's like right after the military industrial complex got formed.
Like, did they perform a coup?
tim pool
No, people were out.
Like, I was reading the news about it.
People were really upset with Congress.
There was, like, really low approval.
ian crossland
I wonder if it was propaganda and they were getting the old guard out and putting in all these new... I don't know, man.
tim pool
Jekyll Island was what, 1903 or something?
1916, 17, I think?
Or 1912, maybe?
unidentified
1912.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Is that what happened?
ben weingarten
It's an interesting game to play.
When did the demise start?
Is it the income tax and the Federal Reserve?
Is it Nixon taking us off the gold standard officially?
Is it the Frankfurt School denizens arriving in the United States?
When was that?
1930s.
ian crossland
Then there was the liberal economic order in 1946.
That was like, that's pretty, pretty nasty.
Right after World War II.
That's military police.
ben weingarten
But you know, at the end of the day, it is the greatest system ever created, bar none, in my view, but it requires a people to sustain it.
And you look at countries that have had their freedom taken away from them, and then they come back, they hold to it in a tighter way than people who, we've had it good, at least on paper, for a very long time, and we haven't faced that threat.
Or felt what tyranny was like here.
And I think as a consequence, you get bloated and you set yourself up for potentially a fall, but the sun comes up the next day.
So.
tim pool
All right, John.
How do you, how do I pronounce that?
Christian?
Christian?
Where has the gray bearded man of wisdom Jack Murphy been?
One of my friends, he's in a better place.
Yeah, where is that?
lydia smith
I don't know.
He's around.
unidentified
Oh, Arizona or something?
lydia smith
Jack's doing stuff with his family.
He's living, practicing what he preaches.
So good for him.
ian crossland
What up, Jack?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Alexander Scarpacci says, I love the animation on Cast Castle.
The animation along with the narration cracks me up.
I want more.
You guys, if you haven't checked out Cast Castle, you are missing out.
So, it's just like, there's always some really funny story or exposition or something.
Kent will then animate something funny.
And it's just, it's really funny.
I think the first one he did was when we went to the casino with Seamus.
And the story's really simple.
We were like, we played for a long time.
I was kinda done.
I'm like, I'm just putting all my money down on this last hand.
And we all ended up with like really crappy hands.
I had like 13.
Allison had like, you know, 15 or whatever.
Seamus I think had 13.
And then Andreas had like 12.
And, and, but the dealer was showing, I think he was showing a 5.
It's been a long time, so you can watch the story.
But I was like, everyone stay, because he'll likely flip a face card, then hit and bust.
Seamus... So the dealer's looking at us, and he's like... He looks at me, and I'm like, staying.
He's like, I know.
He looks at... You're gonna stay.
Then he goes to Seamus, and Seamus goes, I'm gonna hit.
And then we're all like, what?
No!
Why?
unidentified
Don't!
tim pool
Don't!
And then he gets, uh...
What did he get?
I can't remember exactly what he got, but he gets a card, and then he doesn't bust, and we're like, oh, okay.
The dealer ends up flipping over, not a face card, but like a four, and then he ends up getting a queen, so he gets 19, and then he beats all of us, we all lose our money, and if Seamus didn't hit, the dealer would have grabbed that card and then busted on the queen.
So we were all like, no!
And that's, we animated the story, it's really funny, because Did you tell Seamus beforehand, don't hit?
I was like, stop, stop.
ian crossland
Were you like, everyone?
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
Oh man, contrarian.
tim pool
And there's a little drawing of me going, don't hit, don't hit.
I was like, stay, stay.
It's really funny.
It's really funny.
And the dealer is just like, and then Seamus leans back and his eyes are half closed and he goes, I'm going to hit.
And we're like, no, why did you hit?
And then Seamus commented on the video.
I'm glad I did it.
lydia smith
Of course he did.
tim pool
Well, he pushed, so he got to keep his money.
All right, let's see.
Ski Man from Toronto says... Yep.
Hey Tim and crew love the show. Trudeau pushing for snap national election and mandating vaccines
for all federal employees. Slow stepping our way to full mandates. No medical autonomy left north
or south of the border. Yep. Yeah I think um I I you know we had the lockdowns. Everyone hated it.
Now they have lockdowns again unless you get the vaccine.
So what are people gonna do? You know it's it's it's like hey you don't want that that awful
thing to happen again do you?
So people are just going to fall in line.
I think it'll expand across the country.
He's got to do it slowly.
ben weingarten
It's just so disturbing that we're at a place where it's like the government is saying we want to make people feel pain and also we are going to create this bifurcated society of the vaxxed and the unvaxxed.
And there was a New York Times headline, I have to find it, several months back where it was like, Far-right Stop the Steal moves on to Vax Hesitancy, you know, something like that.
And it just flows so seamlessly.
And actually, if you look, the Department of Homeland Security put out, I think, one of their latest terror bulletins today.
I screenshotted this on my Twitter.
And they say COVID-19, you know, skepticism, etc., could lead to violence over the next X months.
And so, again, public health, national security.
They will tie the two together.
It's one and the same.
Stop this deal through vaccine hesitancy.
tim pool
Here's a good one.
TWMY says, I don't usually hit the like button, but the other day said, would you kindly smash that like button?
And without even thinking, I demolished it.
Coincidence?
Hey, everybody.
Would you kindly tap that like button?
Do you know the reference?
ian crossland
I do now, yes.
tim pool
Oh, you looked it up?
ian crossland
No, you told me about it once on the show.
tim pool
Do you know the reference?
Bioshock.
Have you played Bioshock before?
ben weingarten
I know the game, I haven't played it.
ian crossland
I tried to play it on hard and it was too hard.
tim pool
Amazing game.
Basically the character is compelled to take any action if you say would you kindly before the request.
So I am trying to compel all of you to would you kindly press that like button.
And then a lot of people were like, Bioshock reference, yeah!
And then they all start smashing the like button.
Like, alright, I'll just figure out cool Easter eggs to throw in with asking people to tap the like, to press the like button.
And so then people will be like, yay!
And they'll, you know.
Alex11000 says, Tim, did you hear about Apple scanning your phones in the claim of child exploitation and the new crypto and infrastructure bill taxes?
A little bit about the crypto stuff.
I'm not super worried about that.
The Apple spyware stuff, that is, like, it's a red flag the size of the state of Texas being raised above everybody.
They always try to use something that is, that no one would ever want to be against to like, oh, but I mean, it's only for child exploitation, right?
You're not for it.
Well, no, nobody is.
It's disgusting.
But you want a private company to start scanning my, my, my media and I'm supposed to just trust you?
Nah, I'm not playing that game.
You're crazy.
ian crossland
Don't be like, we're going to scan people's thoughts, but only for child porn.
Yeah, right.
You're building the technology to be able to scan people's thoughts.
Okay.
You're setting a precedent that you can do it.
tim pool
You get an eye.
ian crossland
What else can you scan it for?
tim pool
You get an Android phone, you put on a more secure operating system, you don't let people spy on your stuff.
ian crossland
The Freedom phone, which we still haven't broken apart yet, but there's all sorts of new options other than Apple.
tim pool
We need to get the Freedom phone and we do that forensic analysis.
I have a feeling we're not going to find anything.
I think it's going to be just like a very straightforward phone that does what it says it does.
Yeah.
ben weingarten
The crypto thing.
I'm curious what you guys think about that.
Do you think that the targeting of crypto is ultimately a mafia-like extortion strategy of let's threaten crypto and then we'll get something out of them and they'll pay us to go away?
Or do you think that ultimately they want into the game, like the government wants a piece of it, they want to be able to extract maximum revenues from it?
Or what do you think the endgame is?
unidentified
The globalists have created Bitcoin as the one world currency.
tim pool
Bitcoin is the perfect globalist currency.
How do you implement a unified global currency when you have a whole group of anti-government individuals claiming it's a conspiracy?
You make them pro-it.
It strikes me that they're trying to make as much money, extract as much revenue out of it as possible because it coincides with Biden.
inter, you know, country financial system being put in place.
ian crossland
It strikes me that they're trying to make as much money, extract as much revenue out of it as
possible because it coincides with Biden. I think he's been investing in the IRS and wants to start
helping these IRS to basically get more tax, make sure that people are paying their taxes.
You got all these unemployment checks going out.
Those people are gonna have to pay taxes on those.
So I think they're looking at taxation as the way to recover, help recover from this.
tim pool
I'm gonna read one more.
Turk Longwell says, for all listening, now.
Now is the time.
It's time now.
We speak up and out or we lose.
It's now or it's never.
You all do great work.
Thank you.
Yes.
You know, I've been saying over and over again that people need to stand up when their workplace tries doing this critical race stuff.
They should say no to this.
They should challenge it.
And a lot of people say, but I'm scared to lose my job.
Okay, well now they're saying mandatory, minor, but medical procedure.
You can stand up and say you agree with it or you don't.
Personally, um...
The mandating is the problem.
You know, and I think with, I think, here's the thing, right?
Vaccines are, I'm impressed by them.
lydia smith
They're cool.
tim pool
I'm fascinated by George Washington, the story where he was, they would inoculate people by taking like the needle and I think it's fantastic.
And I think just like with the Apple thing, they try to use things you don't want to be against.
You're like, I get it.
This is actually a good thing.
It helps people.
And that's what they use to open the door towards authoritarianism.
unidentified
I have not.
tim pool
You gotta speak up and defy this stuff.
I wanna do one last thing real quick.
Maybe not even a full segment, but I just wanna talk about Suicide Squad.
Have you seen Suicide Squad?
ben weingarten
I have not.
ian crossland
Negative.
tim pool
Okay, I'll just talk a little bit because there was one thing I wanted to mention and
then we'll just talk for a couple minutes.
The movie bombed.
The movie's bombing.
And now they're saying that they're gonna delay the release of the new Venom movie because Black Widow and Suicide Squad bombed.
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Something happened.
People don't care anymore about what's going on.
They're not watching the movies, I guess.
The money's not going in.
There's a great reset happening right now.
And I think... You know, I heard a story the other day.
Um, someone, a friend of a friend quit their job and said, I just don't want to work anymore.
And now they're broke.
And I'm like, that's weird because the great resignation is happening.
What's happening to people where they're like, I don't care.
I'm happy with being broke.
I'm done.
Like this breakdown, whatever it is, it's like it's happening everywhere.
And more and more people I hear are just like, I'm quitting.
I don't care.
ian crossland
So you think that the industry's also kind of quit?
They've kind of given up and they're just not being creative anymore?
tim pool
These people are quitting their jobs.
They're not going to the movies either.
It's like society itself is crumbling.
Like, all these movies were making money and now it's just like... Black Widow didn't do well?
That's a Marvel film.
Captain Marvel got a billion dollars.
That's crazy to me.
lydia smith
To me, that kind of feels like society as a whole is a little bit depressed.
Which kind of makes me sad, but not really surprised because after this whole lockdown thing, everyone's like, what's the point?
Why would I carry on?
Which just, they hate capitalism.
They hate boomers.
They hate everything that they work for.
They hate the work that they do.
And so they're like, I give up.
And it's working for them because of unemployment.
tim pool
Let me just say, it seems like people are gone.
ian crossland
Yeah, we entered sort of an age of honesty in the mid 2007, 8, where people were like speaking out.
I was one of them on YouTube.
Like, look at the world.
Look at the military industrial complex.
I didn't know it existed until today.
And so when when you see a pushback, we see people get banned when they're speaking up honestly against authoritarianism or establishment politics or whatever.
And you see crap being pushed out that's obviously not honest.
Like, like when they tell you something's good when it's not, like that's, they tell you a movie, like it's a 98% rating, but then when you look at the crowd rates at 37%, people are like, what the?
tim pool
It's broken, dude.
ian crossland
People are, they give up faith.
They give up hope in that structure when that happens.
tim pool
We'll end off with just something to think about.
Where is everybody?
They're not working.
They're not going to movies.
They're not out in the middle of big cities.
Where are they?
They're right here with us, Tim.
We'll just leave it at that.
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Ben, did you want to shout on any social media?
ben weingarten
Yeah, at bhwinegarden and subscribe to my newsletter at winegarden.substack.com.
tim pool
Right on.
ian crossland
Follow me at iancrossland and at iancrossland.net.
I want to show you guys this.
I've been thinking a lot about this cultural decay.
So what I did is I went out and I bought the six issues of the Infinity Gauntlet.
This is the original.
This is where it all came from in the 90s.
Arguably, the Infinity Gauntlet number four is the best Marvel comic ever made.
If you want to get excited about comics and the industry and what it can be and what it was, could be again, get this comic.
Get these comics.
tim pool
Make comics great again!
ian crossland
These are amazing, amazing stories and will stand the test of time.
I highly recommend it.
And then you'll know, you'll have some perspective on what the industry, what Disney did to this franchise.
lydia smith
Yeah, for sure.
It's funny that Ian mentions that because I've actually been going through and buying books that my parents used to read to me when I was little.
I had a Mays book that I really, really loved and I found that online.
So I'm just going to kind of like build up a little library of books from way before they were woke for if, you know, if I ever have kids, it'll be awesome.
ben weingarten
Before the books are banned.
lydia smith
Yeah, exactly.
Before the books are banned, before we have to burn them all.
Anyway, you guys can follow me at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter as I continue my journey to have more followers and Sour Patch Kids.
tim pool
Go to YouTube.com slash CastCastle, subscribe and get ready and watch all the episodes.
They're really, really well done.
The team we have producing this stuff, they're really great.
You're going to love all the animation.
So check it out and we'll see you all next time.
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